From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Aug  3 14:00:14 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 07:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
Message-ID: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone want to talk in Aug?

I am at DebConf in NY for the week, not sure how much time I will have
to organize the meeting, so if someone else can take it from here,
that would be great.   I do have the room at ITA reserved.   Unless
someone want's to re-figure out the pizza protocol, I would skip it
this month.

-- 
Carl K

From brianherman at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 20:41:31 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:41:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=jnKFKnOminVv1R3fC9fUXBggwV=hLoV-1dFc=@mail.gmail.com>

I would run a meeting though the previous clubs that I have been apart of
have ended badly.
I am not a good leader.

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> Anyone want to talk in Aug?
>
> I am at DebConf in NY for the week, not sure how much time I will have
> to organize the meeting, so if someone else can take it from here,
> that would be great.   I do have the room at ITA reserved.   Unless
> someone want's to re-figure out the pizza protocol, I would skip it
> this month.
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 23:50:17 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:50:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83CF198F-A35E-4530-9A6B-DD8A676E2BEE@gmail.com>

I am in London this week but will be back in town next week to help organize the best meeting ever. The meeting will happen but I need some brave souls to step up and present. Any offers?



On Aug 3, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> Anyone want to talk in Aug?
> 
> I am at DebConf in NY for the week, not sure how much time I will have
> to organize the meeting, so if someone else can take it from here,
> that would be great.   I do have the room at ITA reserved.   Unless
> someone want's to re-figure out the pizza protocol, I would skip it
> this month.
> 
> -- 
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From steve.ayers at iww.org  Wed Aug  4 02:01:32 2010
From: steve.ayers at iww.org (Steve Ayers)
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:01:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <83CF198F-A35E-4530-9A6B-DD8A676E2BEE@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>
	<83CF198F-A35E-4530-9A6B-DD8A676E2BEE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C58ADDC.4040101@iww.org>

Greetings,

I'm new to this thread, but not new to giving presentations.  August 
12th will be my first meeting with the chicago python group, but I could 
give a small presentation on data mining, using python.  What are the 
thoughts of the group?

Peace,
Steve


On 08/03/2010 04:50 PM, Brian Ray wrote:
> I am in London this week but will be back in town next week to help organize the best meeting ever. The meeting will happen but I need some brave souls to step up and present. Any offers?
>
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Carl Karsten<carl at personnelware.com>  wrote:
>
>    
>> Anyone want to talk in Aug?
>>
>> I am at DebConf in NY for the week, not sure how much time I will have
>> to organize the meeting, so if someone else can take it from here,
>> that would be great.   I do have the room at ITA reserved.   Unless
>> someone want's to re-figure out the pizza protocol, I would skip it
>> this month.
>>
>> -- 
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>      
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>    


From d-beazley at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug  4 15:17:35 2010
From: d-beazley at sbcglobal.net (David Beazley)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:17:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Jamming with Django - Aug 12-13- Chicago
Message-ID: <2B6F6916-C1EE-4345-BF9B-C020C1C89E7F@sbcglobal.net>

Chipy,

Just a quick note to say that there is still space left in the Django course Chad, Rodrigo, and I are running next week.   Come up to Andersonville for a few days--it's going to be great.   More details are below.

Cheers,
Dave

		Jamming with Django : An Introduction

			  August 12-13, 2010
			  Chicago, Illinois

	       http://www.dabeaz.com/chicago/index.html

Spend a few days in Chicago's Andersonville neighborhood learning how
to set up your first Django website.  Taught by Chicago-area Django
developers Chad Glendenin and Rodrigo Guzman and hosted by David
Beazley, author of the Python Essential Reference, this is a chance to
learn about Django in a completely unique setting where your success
is guaranteed.  This course is strictly limited to 6 students and
includes breakfast, lunch, and snacks at local eateries. You won't be
disappointed.  


From allan2600 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 20:58:09 2010
From: allan2600 at gmail.com (Allan Spale)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:58:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python Opportunity in Deerfield
Message-ID: <AANLkTik1rkF607oeVQ15=weXy6P2n96wmENaygrUAZYJ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I received an e-mail from a recruiter who wanted to share a Python job
opportunity in Deerfield. He said I could share this job posting with the
ChiPy group, so here it is: http://tinyurl.com/2cog2tl . If anyone is
interested, please contact Paul May directly at paul at paulmayassociates.com .


Allan
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From g at rre.tt  Wed Aug  4 21:01:51 2010
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:01:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <4C58ADDC.4040101@iww.org>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>
	<83CF198F-A35E-4530-9A6B-DD8A676E2BEE@gmail.com>
	<4C58ADDC.4040101@iww.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimM_duC2OLnKYpEoH=e9ydAtV6vTSC6TCgif8Ya@mail.gmail.com>

+1

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Steve Ayers <steve.ayers at iww.org> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I'm new to this thread, but not new to giving presentations. ?August 12th
> will be my first meeting with the chicago python group, but I could give a
> small presentation on data mining, using python. ?What are the thoughts of
> the group?
>
> Peace,
> Steve
>
>
> On 08/03/2010 04:50 PM, Brian Ray wrote:
>>
>> I am in London this week but will be back in town next week to help
>> organize the best meeting ever. The meeting will happen but I need some
>> brave souls to step up and present. Any offers?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Carl Karsten<carl at personnelware.com> ?wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone want to talk in Aug?
>>>
>>> I am at DebConf in NY for the week, not sure how much time I will have
>>> to organize the meeting, so if someone else can take it from here,
>>> that would be great. ? I do have the room at ITA reserved. ? Unless
>>> someone want's to re-figure out the pizza protocol, I would skip it
>>> this month.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl K
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Aug  4 21:09:01 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:09:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python bioinformatics leads
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEU63+yLSpGLDd3ds+fDTF8LNLwbB1e09VCx10@mail.gmail.com>

A friend at work has a friend who is moving to the area who does
python and bioinformatics. If any of you know of leads for scientific
python programming let me know and I can pass them on to her.

-- 
sheila

From brianherman at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 23:05:58 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:05:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python bioinformatics leads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinEU63+yLSpGLDd3ds+fDTF8LNLwbB1e09VCx10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinEU63+yLSpGLDd3ds+fDTF8LNLwbB1e09VCx10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYYJ6ROQMsimcvUqCyAo=CDi_b33PsYySHVbSz@mail.gmail.com>

There is a bioinformatic department at UIC but I don't know if they are
hiring.
I would suggest spending a lot of time in the medical district near UIC.

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:09 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> programming
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 23:06:42 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:06:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimM_duC2OLnKYpEoH=e9ydAtV6vTSC6TCgif8Ya@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com> 
	<83CF198F-A35E-4530-9A6B-DD8A676E2BEE@gmail.com>
	<4C58ADDC.4040101@iww.org> 
	<AANLkTimM_duC2OLnKYpEoH=e9ydAtV6vTSC6TCgif8Ya@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmn7uGX+pX9wnVjw8SvB8vhT1xmqF_GZabo=C1@mail.gmail.com>

+spam +spam +spam (monty python not email)

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:

> +1
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Steve Ayers <steve.ayers at iww.org> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I'm new to this thread, but not new to giving presentations.  August 12th
> > will be my first meeting with the chicago python group, but I could give
> a
> > small presentation on data mining, using python.  What are the thoughts
> of
> > the group?
> >
> > Peace,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 08/03/2010 04:50 PM, Brian Ray wrote:
> >>
> >> I am in London this week but will be back in town next week to help
> >> organize the best meeting ever. The meeting will happen but I need some
> >> brave souls to step up and present. Any offers?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 3, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Carl Karsten<carl at personnelware.com>
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Anyone want to talk in Aug?
> >>>
> >>> I am at DebConf in NY for the week, not sure how much time I will have
> >>> to organize the meeting, so if someone else can take it from here,
> >>> that would be great.   I do have the room at ITA reserved.   Unless
> >>> someone want's to re-figure out the pizza protocol, I would skip it
> >>> this month.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Carl K
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Thu Aug  5 17:45:40 2010
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:45:40 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
Message-ID: <121264225236676@127.0.0.1:NOSSL>

Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help truly appreciated ;-)

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From steve.ayers at iww.org  Thu Aug  5 17:43:53 2010
From: steve.ayers at iww.org (Steve Ayers)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 10:43:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinmn7uGX+pX9wnVjw8SvB8vhT1xmqF_GZabo=C1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4C5ADC39.5020808@iww.org>


I'll assume that this means I will be giving a small presentation on 
data mining with Python at the next meeting, on  August 12th

Peace,
Steve

p.s. Do we have a space for the meeting yet?


On 08/04/2010 04:06 PM, Brian Herman wrote:
> +spam +spam +spam (monty python not email)
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com <http://brianjherman.com>
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org <mailto:brianherman at acm.org>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt 
> <mailto:g at rre.tt>> wrote:
>
>     +1
>
>     On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Steve Ayers <steve.ayers at iww.org
>     <mailto:steve.ayers at iww.org>> wrote:
>     > Greetings,
>     >
>     > I'm new to this thread, but not new to giving presentations.
>      August 12th
>     > will be my first meeting with the chicago python group, but I
>     could give a
>     > small presentation on data mining, using python.  What are the
>     thoughts of
>     > the group?
>     >
>     > Peace,
>     > Steve
>     >
>     >
>     > On 08/03/2010 04:50 PM, Brian Ray wrote:
>     >>
>     >> I am in London this week but will be back in town next week to help
>     >> organize the best meeting ever. The meeting will happen but I
>     need some
>     >> brave souls to step up and present. Any offers?
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Aug 3, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Carl Karsten<carl at personnelware.com
>     <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>>  wrote:
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>>
>     >>> Anyone want to talk in Aug?
>     >>>
>     >>> I am at DebConf in NY for the week, not sure how much time I
>     will have
>     >>> to organize the meeting, so if someone else can take it from here,
>     >>> that would be great.   I do have the room at ITA reserved.  
>     Unless
>     >>> someone want's to re-figure out the pizza protocol, I would
>     skip it
>     >>> this month.
>     >>>
>     >>> --
>     >>> Carl K
>     >>> _______________________________________________
>     >>> Chicago mailing list
>     >>> Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>     >>>
>     >>
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> Chicago mailing list
>     >> Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>     >>
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Chicago mailing list
>     > Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>     >
>     _______________________________________________
>     Chicago mailing list
>     Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>    

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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Aug  5 17:59:36 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:59:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <4C5ADC39.5020808@iww.org>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com> 
	<83CF198F-A35E-4530-9A6B-DD8A676E2BEE@gmail.com>
	<4C58ADDC.4040101@iww.org> 
	<AANLkTimM_duC2OLnKYpEoH=e9ydAtV6vTSC6TCgif8Ya@mail.gmail.com> 
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Message-ID: <AANLkTikR8mHT3eoNZT8f_L9Gs92zeqJnpmTQ62qxN2Rz@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, we have a space.

Does anyone need contact information for ITA? I have that.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Steve Ayers <steve.ayers at iww.org> wrote:

> p.s. Do we have a space for the meeting yet?
>
[...]
>> >>> that would be great. ? I do have the room at ITA reserved. ? Unless
>> >>> someone want's to re-figure out the pizza protocol, I would skip it
>> >>> this month.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Carl K



-- 
sheila

From steve.ayers at iww.org  Thu Aug  5 18:07:47 2010
From: steve.ayers at iww.org (Steve Ayers)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:07:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikR8mHT3eoNZT8f_L9Gs92zeqJnpmTQ62qxN2Rz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>
	<83CF198F-A35E-4530-9A6B-DD8A676E2BEE@gmail.com>	<4C58ADDC.4040101@iww.org>
	<AANLkTimM_duC2OLnKYpEoH=e9ydAtV6vTSC6TCgif8Ya@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinmn7uGX+pX9wnVjw8SvB8vhT1xmqF_GZabo=C1@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTikR8mHT3eoNZT8f_L9Gs92zeqJnpmTQ62qxN2Rz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5AE1D3.2080103@iww.org>


I need the contact info for ITA.

Thanks,
Steve

On 08/05/2010 10:59 AM, sheila miguez wrote:
> Yes, we have a space.
>
> Does anyone need contact information for ITA? I have that.
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Steve Ayers<steve.ayers at iww.org>  wrote:
>
>    
>> p.s. Do we have a space for the meeting yet?
>>
>>      
> [...]
>    
>>>>>> that would be great.   I do have the room at ITA reserved.   Unless
>>>>>> someone want's to re-figure out the pizza protocol, I would skip it
>>>>>> this month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Carl K
>>>>>>              
>
>
>    


From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 18:10:33 2010
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:10:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com>

Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:
> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help truly
> appreciated ;-)
>
>
>
> PYTHON Software Development
>
> FTP
>
> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>
>
>
> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>
> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
> PYTHON software development experience.
>
> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>
> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
> commercial-grade web applications.
>
> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>
> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>
> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle, including
> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and support.
>
> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>
> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject, Reportlab,
> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>
> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big plus
>
> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>
> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>
> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>
> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>
> Click here to apply online
>
>
>
>
> Paul
>
> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
> v 708.479.1111
> c 312.925.1294
> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>
> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>
> http://www.computer-jobs.com
> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>
> Offering the following recruiting services:
> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>
> ** Inquire about our?referral?bonus**
> ?????????? Help a friend ;-)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From dan at streemit.net  Thu Aug  5 18:06:43 2010
From: dan at streemit.net (Dan Mahoney)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 11:06:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
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On 8/5/2010 10:59 AM, sheila miguez wrote:
> Yes, we have a space.
>
> Does anyone need contact information for ITA? I have that.
>    
Yes, please.

From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Aug  5 18:28:38 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <4C5AE193.9070200@streemit.net>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com> 
	<83CF198F-A35E-4530-9A6B-DD8A676E2BEE@gmail.com>
	<4C58ADDC.4040101@iww.org> 
	<AANLkTimM_duC2OLnKYpEoH=e9ydAtV6vTSC6TCgif8Ya@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTinmn7uGX+pX9wnVjw8SvB8vhT1xmqF_GZabo=C1@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4C5ADC39.5020808@iww.org>
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Who is going to be doing the planning for this? I don't want to have
multiple people bombarding them all at once about the same thing.

...and I sent a message over to Carl to see what he normally does for
this stuff. I have no idea if   we just show up once we have the
booking, or if he has to do some ACK stuff with them the day before.
I'm assuming we have to get names to deal with security? Not sure.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Dan Mahoney <dan at streemit.net> wrote:
> On 8/5/2010 10:59 AM, sheila miguez wrote:
>>
>> Yes, we have a space.
>>
>> Does anyone need contact information for ITA? I have that.
>>
>
> Yes, please.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
sheila

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 19:11:37 2010
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:11:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik5R1_KCCAdgoH-UWONZEOZoJm0bGGTDdLCH9=z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>
	<83CF198F-A35E-4530-9A6B-DD8A676E2BEE@gmail.com>
	<4C58ADDC.4040101@iww.org>
	<AANLkTimM_duC2OLnKYpEoH=e9ydAtV6vTSC6TCgif8Ya@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinmn7uGX+pX9wnVjw8SvB8vhT1xmqF_GZabo=C1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C5ADC39.5020808@iww.org>
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:28, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:

> Who is going to be doing the planning for this? I don't want to have
> multiple people bombarding them all at once about the same thing.
>
> ...and I sent a message over to Carl to see what he normally does for
> this stuff. I have no idea if   we just show up once we have the
> booking, or if he has to do some ACK stuff with them the day before.
> I'm assuming we have to get names to deal with security? Not sure.


No one besides the organizer should actually need the contact info. Everyone
else just has to know it's at Wacker/Adams (the specific address) on
x-floor, and the datetime.datetime(...).

I believe Brian Ray said he was up for organizing. If that changes, I'm also
named Brian and I'll do it. A third Brian, however, turned it down.
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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 19:16:09 2010
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:16:09 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:28, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> Who is going to be doing the planning for this? I don't want to have
>> multiple people bombarding them all at once about the same thing.
>>
>> ...and I sent a message over to Carl to see what he normally does for
>> this stuff. I have no idea if ? we just show up once we have the
>> booking, or if he has to do some ACK stuff with them the day before.
>> I'm assuming we have to get names to deal with security? Not sure.
>
> No one besides the organizer should actually need the contact info. Everyone
> else just has to know it's at Wacker/Adams (the specific address) on
> x-floor, and the datetime.datetime(...).
> I believe Brian Ray said he was up for organizing. If that changes, I'm also
> named Brian and I'll do it. A third Brian, however, turned it down.

Well that definitely resolves the confusion ;)

> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

Alex

-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it." -- Voltaire
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
"Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
want" -- Me

From clydeforrester at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 20:15:02 2010
From: clydeforrester at gmail.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
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Alex Gaynor wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:28, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>> Who is going to be doing the planning for this? I don't want to have
>>> multiple people bombarding them all at once about the same thing.
>>>
>>> ...and I sent a message over to Carl to see what he normally does for
>>> this stuff. I have no idea if   we just show up once we have the
>>> booking, or if he has to do some ACK stuff with them the day before.
>>> I'm assuming we have to get names to deal with security? Not sure.
>> No one besides the organizer should actually need the contact info. Everyone
>> else just has to know it's at Wacker/Adams (the specific address) on
>> x-floor, and the datetime.datetime(...).
>> I believe Brian Ray said he was up for organizing. If that changes, I'm also
>> named Brian and I'll do it. A third Brian, however, turned it down.
> 
> Well that definitely resolves the confusion ;)
> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> 
> Alex
> 
Right! Mind if we call you "Brian", then, just to keep things simple?

Brian, 'ere, will give a talk on Python 3.1.2,
Brian, over there, will give a talk on Python 2.7,
Brian, over there, will give us a brief statement about the upcoming 
German Zope conference,
Brian, [pointing], will talk about Boost libraries,
and Brian, there, is in charge of the sheep dip.

c4... er, Brian

From brianherman at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 23:13:28 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:13:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikY6X66uo5bG-e1+QgY4-fLNV9BbpfvVMFk+-6Y@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like he wants a java developer.

On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
wrote:
>> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help truly
>> appreciated ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> PYTHON Software Development
>>
>> FTP
>>
>> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>
>>
>>
>> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>
>> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
>> PYTHON software development experience.
>>
>> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
>> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>
>> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>> commercial-grade web applications.
>>
>> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
>> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>
>> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>
>> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
including
>> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and
support.
>>
>> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>
>> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
Reportlab,
>> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>
>> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big plus
>>
>> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>
>> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>
>> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>
>> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>
>> Click here to apply online
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>> v 708.479.1111
>> c 312.925.1294
>> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>
>> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>
>> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>
>> Offering the following recruiting services:
>> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>
>> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>            Help a friend ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From jsudlow at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 00:17:55 2010
From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 17:17:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikY6X66uo5bG-e1+QgY4-fLNV9BbpfvVMFk+-6Y@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
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J2EE a BIG plus?

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>
> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
> wrote:
> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help truly
> >> appreciated ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> PYTHON Software Development
> >>
> >> FTP
> >>
> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
> >>
> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
> >> PYTHON software development experience.
> >>
> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
> >>
> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
> >> commercial-grade web applications.
> >>
> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
> >>
> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
> >>
> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
> including
> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and
> support.
> >>
> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
> >>
> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
> Reportlab,
> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
> >>
> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big
> plus
> >>
> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
> >>
> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
> >>
> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
> >>
> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
> >>
> >> Click here to apply online
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
> >> v 708.479.1111
> >> c 312.925.1294
> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
> >>
> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
> >>
> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
> >>
> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
> >>
> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
> >>            Help a friend ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 01:00:38 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 18:00:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik-wbSkvYfxsRb+51f-PZ4mavksQBiny_tQpiAv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTikY6X66uo5bG-e1+QgY4-fLNV9BbpfvVMFk+-6Y@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTik-wbSkvYfxsRb+51f-PZ4mavksQBiny_tQpiAv@mail.gmail.com>
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J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:

> J2EE a BIG plus?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help truly
>> >> appreciated ;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>> >>
>> >> FTP
>> >>
>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>> >>
>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>> >>
>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>> >>
>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>> >>
>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>> >>
>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>> >>
>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>> including
>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and
>> support.
>> >>
>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>> >>
>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>> Reportlab,
>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>> >>
>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big
>> plus
>> >>
>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>> >>
>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>> >>
>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>> >>
>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>> >>
>> >> Click here to apply online
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>> >> v 708.479.1111
>> >> c 312.925.1294
>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>> >>
>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>> >>
>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>> >>
>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>> >>
>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 01:01:26 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 18:01:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinjEa2dCyp8+-POSRGANgAB=P84=+ieRWCukDpr@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTikY6X66uo5bG-e1+QgY4-fLNV9BbpfvVMFk+-6Y@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTik-wbSkvYfxsRb+51f-PZ4mavksQBiny_tQpiAv@mail.gmail.com> 
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Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help
>>> truly
>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>>> >>
>>> >> FTP
>>> >>
>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>> >>
>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>>> >>
>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>>> development
>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>> >>
>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>>> >>
>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>> >>
>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>> >>
>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>>> including
>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and
>>> support.
>>> >>
>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>> >>
>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>>> Reportlab,
>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>> >>
>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big
>>> plus
>>> >>
>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>> >>
>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>> >>
>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>> >>
>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>> >>
>>> >> Click here to apply online
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Paul
>>> >>
>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>> >>
>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>> >>
>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>> >>
>>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 02:11:41 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:11:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinYU7MiTHRLftAiVa6CnUwbmu37DcfmHEz2KHnq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik8A-y00D5_-nERYXad+negY-n9NZ5ApbXPwF-B@mail.gmail.com>
	<83CF198F-A35E-4530-9A6B-DD8A676E2BEE@gmail.com>
	<4C58ADDC.4040101@iww.org>
	<AANLkTimM_duC2OLnKYpEoH=e9ydAtV6vTSC6TCgif8Ya@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinmn7uGX+pX9wnVjw8SvB8vhT1xmqF_GZabo=C1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C5ADC39.5020808@iww.org>
	<AANLkTikR8mHT3eoNZT8f_L9Gs92zeqJnpmTQ62qxN2Rz@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C5AE193.9070200@streemit.net>
	<AANLkTik5R1_KCCAdgoH-UWONZEOZoJm0bGGTDdLCH9=z@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinYU7MiTHRLftAiVa6CnUwbmu37DcfmHEz2KHnq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85BB5BF1-AE94-4DE5-8B42-DAB05080C44F@gmail.com>

I do plan on organizing and will be more a available for questions later this weekend.



On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:28, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> Who is going to be doing the planning for this? I don't want to have
> multiple people bombarding them all at once about the same thing.
> 
> ...and I sent a message over to Carl to see what he normally does for
> this stuff. I have no idea if   we just show up once we have the
> booking, or if he has to do some ACK stuff with them the day before.
> I'm assuming we have to get names to deal with security? Not sure.
> 
> No one besides the organizer should actually need the contact info. Everyone else just has to know it's at Wacker/Adams (the specific address) on x-floor, and the datetime.datetime(...).
> 
> I believe Brian Ray said he was up for organizing. If that changes, I'm also named Brian and I'll do it. A third Brian, however, turned it down.
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From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Aug  6 05:01:37 2010
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:01:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimJEv9+L8MciH+Q7KpvEQMrFNEFNhC1rBMs8qcb@mail.gmail.com>

Forward this to Ron May.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_May_%28columnist%29

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Adam Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:
>> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help truly
>> appreciated ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> PYTHON Software Development
>>
>> FTP
>>
>> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>
>>
>>
>> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>
>> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
>> PYTHON software development experience.
>>
>> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
>> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>
>> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>> commercial-grade web applications.
>>
>> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
>> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>
>> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>
>> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle, including
>> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and support.
>>
>> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>
>> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject, Reportlab,
>> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>
>> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big plus
>>
>> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>
>> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>
>> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>
>> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>
>> Click here to apply online
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>> v 708.479.1111
>> c 312.925.1294
>> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>
>> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>
>> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>
>> Offering the following recruiting services:
>> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>
>> ** Inquire about our?referral?bonus**
>> ?????????? Help a friend ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 06:56:56 2010
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 23:56:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimJEv9+L8MciH+Q7KpvEQMrFNEFNhC1rBMs8qcb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimJEv9+L8MciH+Q7KpvEQMrFNEFNhC1rBMs8qcb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik63jMmZs5H5n0k2bKs362ys_Ep0+EpKrEeevWQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to note that my roommates and I created that wiki entry
and fought pretty hard to keep it out of deletion. It was finally
saved when we found a NYTimes article that had him in it. That was
proof enough of prominence.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> Forward this to Ron May.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_May_%28columnist%29
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Adam Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:
>>> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help truly
>>> appreciated ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PYTHON Software Development
>>>
>>> FTP
>>>
>>> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>>
>>> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
>>> PYTHON software development experience.
>>>
>>> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
>>> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>>
>>> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>>> commercial-grade web applications.
>>>
>>> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
>>> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>>
>>> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>>
>>> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle, including
>>> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and support.
>>>
>>> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>>
>>> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject, Reportlab,
>>> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>>
>>> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big plus
>>>
>>> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>>
>>> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>>
>>> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>>
>>> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>>
>>> Click here to apply online
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>> v 708.479.1111
>>> c 312.925.1294
>>> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>
>>> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>
>>> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>>
>>> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>>
>>> ** Inquire about our?referral?bonus**
>>> ?????????? Help a friend ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From kristoferwhite at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 02:14:02 2010
From: kristoferwhite at gmail.com (Kristofer White)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:14:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik35Oaq7P4-VtW+ULWT8a0u3EDLOUtYFxdLwuS-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikY6X66uo5bG-e1+QgY4-fLNV9BbpfvVMFk+-6Y@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik-wbSkvYfxsRb+51f-PZ4mavksQBiny_tQpiAv@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinjEa2dCyp8+-POSRGANgAB=P84=+ieRWCukDpr@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik35Oaq7P4-VtW+ULWT8a0u3EDLOUtYFxdLwuS-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinsNWhqerf=GxqUt=uR5T=u7nYjQmdgeK-5ms27@mail.gmail.com>

Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
place for job postings in general?

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> Research Assistant
>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help
>>>> >> truly
>>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>>>> >>
>>>> >> FTP
>>>> >>
>>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
>>>> >> Application
>>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>>>> >> development
>>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
>>>> >> Oracle,
>>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>>>> >> including
>>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and
>>>> >> support.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>>>> >> Reportlab,
>>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big
>>>> >> plus
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Click here to apply online
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Paul
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ** Inquire about our?referral?bonus**
>>>> >> ?????????? Help a friend ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From puli.sithu at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 08:01:58 2010
From: puli.sithu at gmail.com (swetha puli)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:31:58 +0530
Subject: [Chicago] help required on python 2.6 and pigments module
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=JT-Me9ReWw2Z9htUdeEC5HSQ27Co5AmDTgVQ9@mail.gmail.com>

sir/madam,
           Iam using static analysis tool cppcheck for testing the code. iam
getting reports in Xml format.
          but the problem is i need them in html format. for that i have
used python 2.6 and
Pygments-1.3.1-py2.6.egg<http://pypi.python.org/packages/2.6/P/Pygments/Pygments-1.3.1-py2.6.egg#md5=05270ee059c038407364b28993980960>(
md5 </pypi?:action=show_md5&digest=05270ee059c038407364b28993980960>). For
getting reports in html format what are the steps to be followed.
          please kindly reply to this problem.
                                 thanking you..
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From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 17:22:45 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:22:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinsNWhqerf=GxqUt=uR5T=u7nYjQmdgeK-5ms27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikY6X66uo5bG-e1+QgY4-fLNV9BbpfvVMFk+-6Y@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik-wbSkvYfxsRb+51f-PZ4mavksQBiny_tQpiAv@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinjEa2dCyp8+-POSRGANgAB=P84=+ieRWCukDpr@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik35Oaq7P4-VtW+ULWT8a0u3EDLOUtYFxdLwuS-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinsNWhqerf=GxqUt=uR5T=u7nYjQmdgeK-5ms27@mail.gmail.com>
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Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring, its
pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
requirements for a job in huge red text.



On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Kristofer White <kristoferwhite at gmail.com>wrote:

> Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
> place for job postings in general?
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Herman
> >
> > brianjherman.com
> > Research Assistant
> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
> > brianherman at acm.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian Herman
> >>
> >> brianjherman.com
> >> Research Assistant
> >> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> >> brianherman at acm.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> J2EE a BIG plus?
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <
> paul at paulmayassociates.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help
> >>>> >> truly
> >>>> >> appreciated ;-)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> FTP
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
> >>>> >> Application
> >>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
> >>>> >> development
> >>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high
> volume,
> >>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
> >>>> >> Oracle,
> >>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
> >>>> >> including
> >>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and
> >>>> >> support.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
> >>>> >> Reportlab,
> >>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a
> big
> >>>> >> plus
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Click here to apply online
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Paul
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
> >>>> >> v 708.479.1111
> >>>> >> c 312.925.1294
> >>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
> >>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
> >>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
> >>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
> >>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
> >>>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >>>> >> Chicago mailing list
> >>>> >> Chicago at python.org
> >>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> > _______________________________________________
> >>>> > Chicago mailing list
> >>>> > Chicago at python.org
> >>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Chicago mailing list
> >>> Chicago at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Fri Aug  6 18:23:12 2010
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:23:12 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
Message-ID: <914409089555415@127.0.0.1:NOSSL>

This is a Python job , not java..... just to be clear with everyone. thx..
Paul
Paul May & Associates (PMA)
v 708.479.1111 
c 312.925.1294
paul at paulmayassociates.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
From: Kristofer White <kristoferwhite at gmail.com>
Sent: 8/5/2010 7:14:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development


Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
place for job postings in general?

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> Research Assistant
>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help
>>>> >> truly
>>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>>>> >>
>>>> >> FTP
>>>> >>
>>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
>>>> >> Application
>>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>>>> >> development
>>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
>>>> >> Oracle,
>>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>>>> >> including
>>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and
>>>> >> support.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>>>> >> Reportlab,
>>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big
>>>> >> plus
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Click here to apply online
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Paul
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>
>
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> Chicago at python.org
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From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Fri Aug  6 18:24:26 2010
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:24:26 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
Message-ID: <129262777742090@127.0.0.1:NOSSL>

I'm also new to the list , so if this is not the way to get a job posting out to this list , let me know how your group receives job postings? 
Paul
Paul May & Associates (PMA)
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c 312.925.1294
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----- Original Message ----- 
To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
From: Kristofer White <kristoferwhite at gmail.com>
Sent: 8/5/2010 7:14:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development


Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
place for job postings in general?

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> Research Assistant
>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help
>>>> >> truly
>>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>>>> >>
>>>> >> FTP
>>>> >>
>>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
>>>> >> Application
>>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>>>> >> development
>>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
>>>> >> Oracle,
>>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>>>> >> including
>>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and
>>>> >> support.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>>>> >> Reportlab,
>>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big
>>>> >> plus
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Click here to apply online
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Paul
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>
>
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> Chicago at python.org
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From chad at glendenin.com  Fri Aug  6 17:30:57 2010
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:30:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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Sponsoring a meeting (buying pizza and/or beer) helps a job posting to
be well-received. I think Imaginary Landscape has been pretty classy
about that.

ccg


On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring, its
> pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
> requirements for a job in huge red text.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Kristofer White <kristoferwhite at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
>> place for job postings in general?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Brian Herman
>> >
>> > brianjherman.com
>> > Research Assistant
>> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> > brianherman at acm.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Brian Herman
>> >>
>> >> brianjherman.com
>> >> Research Assistant
>> >> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> >> brianherman at acm.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May
>> >>>> > <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help
>> >>>> >> truly
>> >>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> FTP
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
>> >>>> >> Application
>> >>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>> >>>> >> development
>> >>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high
>> >>>> >> volume,
>> >>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
>> >>>> >> Oracle,
>> >>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>> >>>> >> including
>> >>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation,
>> >>>> >> and
>> >>>> >> support.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>> >>>> >> Reportlab,
>> >>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a
>> >>>> >> big
>> >>>> >> plus
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Click here to apply online
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Paul
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>> >>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>> >>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>> >>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>> >>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>> >>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>> >>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>> >>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> ** Inquire about our?referral?bonus**
>> >>>> >> ?????????? Help a friend ;-)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> > _______________________________________________
>> >>>> > Chicago mailing list
>> >>>> > Chicago at python.org
>> >>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Chicago mailing list
>> >>> Chicago at python.org
>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Fri Aug  6 18:38:31 2010
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:38:31 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
Message-ID: <356075600613156@127.0.0.1:NOSSL>

thx for the help. i'll change the message next time around....

meantime, i've had a nbr of you reaching out to see if this is a good fit? Do let me know if you know of anyone that wants to work at a WAY cool company doing python's latest greatest ;-)
Paul
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To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
From: Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
Sent: 8/6/2010 10:22:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development


Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring, its pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent requirements for a job in huge red text. 





On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Kristofer White <kristoferwhite at gmail.com> wrote:

Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
place for job postings in general?


On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> Research Assistant
>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help
>>>> >> truly
>>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>>>> >>
>>>> >> FTP
>>>> >>
>>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
>>>> >> Application
>>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>>>> >> development
>>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
>>>> >> Oracle,
>>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>>>> >> including
>>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and
>>>> >> support.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>>>> >> Reportlab,
>>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big
>>>> >> plus
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Click here to apply online
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Paul
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug  6 17:44:45 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:44:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <-7206790893165998829@unknownmsgid>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTimR_7dAAncO=afaC0D6HczpPLYw3tXeSuUowJ74@mail.gmail.com>

Your font face is off-putting and that explains some of the snarkiness.

In my opinion your post is okay if the programming is mostly python.
If not, then it is off topic. You've got some job requirements that
make it sound like the job is a java position. Why is j2ee a big plus?

I also think you should switch to plain text. though I am an old
fogey, so see what other people think. My reaction to your post was --
oh my god, that is so ugly and unpleasant on the eyes.


On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:
> I'm also new to the list , so if this is not the way to get a job posting
> out to this list , let me know how your group receives job postings?
>
> Paul
[...]
>>>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>>>>> >> Reportlab,
>>>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.



-- 
sheila

From david at graniteweb.com  Fri Aug  6 19:02:42 2010
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:02:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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* Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> [2010-08-06 10:22]:
> Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring, its
> pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
> requirements for a job in huge red text.

I had no idea the text was red.  In mutt, I was spared the agony, it
seems. :-)

-- 
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com

From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug  6 19:09:21 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:09:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:02 PM, David Rock <david at graniteweb.com> wrote:
> * Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> [2010-08-06 10:22]:
>> Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring, its
>> pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
>> requirements for a job in huge red text.
>
> I had no idea the text was red. ?In mutt, I was spared the agony, it
> seems. :-)

and you bottom post. you're so cool. :)


-- 
sheila

From tim.saylor at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 21:42:16 2010
From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:42:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Submit your BARcamp topic ideas
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BARcamp Chicago is coming up fast on August 21-22.  This year we've set up a
way to suggest topics you'd like to see presentations about so you can shape
BARcamp into the conference you want to attend.  So head over to Google
Moderator and add or upvote some topics: http://goo.gl/mod/66AV

We'll see you in 2 weeks!

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From jdugan at x1024.net  Fri Aug  6 23:32:41 2010
From: jdugan at x1024.net (Jon Dugan)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:32:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:02 PM, David Rock <david at graniteweb.com> wrote:
>> * Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> [2010-08-06 10:22]:
>>> Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring, its
>>> pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
>>> requirements for a job in huge red text.
>>
>> I had no idea the text was red. ?In mutt, I was spared the agony, it
>> seems. :-)
>
> and you bottom post. you're so cool. :)

+1 for plain text
+1 for bottom posting
+1 for Friday

From szybalski at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 00:16:13 2010
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 17:16:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring, its
> pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
> requirements for a job in huge red text.


In Paul defense, if he says its a python job, it is, other wise he
would not sent it here. I've worked with him on a job interview back
in 2008 and he really works with you to get that job if you fit the
minimal description at least.
>From the job description it looks like they want a well rounded
programmer that can do python work.



Thanks,
Lucas


>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Kristofer White <kristoferwhite at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
>> place for job postings in general?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Brian Herman
>> >
>> > brianjherman.com
>> > Research Assistant
>> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> > brianherman at acm.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Brian Herman
>> >>
>> >> brianjherman.com
>> >> Research Assistant
>> >> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> >> brianherman at acm.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May
>> >>>> > <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any help
>> >>>> >> truly
>> >>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> FTP
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
>> >>>> >> Application
>> >>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>> >>>> >> development
>> >>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high
>> >>>> >> volume,
>> >>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
>> >>>> >> Oracle,
>> >>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>> >>>> >> including
>> >>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation,
>> >>>> >> and
>> >>>> >> support.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>> >>>> >> Reportlab,
>> >>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a
>> >>>> >> big
>> >>>> >> plus
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Click here to apply online
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Paul
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>> >>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>> >>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>> >>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>> >>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>> >>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>> >>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>> >>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> ** Inquire about our?referral?bonus**
>> >>>> >> ?????????? Help a friend ;-)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
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>> >>>
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From robkapteyn at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 00:54:52 2010
From: robkapteyn at gmail.com (Rob Kapteyn)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 17:54:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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From the job description and location, I'm pretty sure this headhunter is recruiting for Textura:

http://www.texturacorp.com/.
Textura Headquarters
1405 Lake Cook Road
Deerfield, IL 60015

Textura started using python with Webware when Webware was cool -- i.e., a long time ago.

Now there is nothing wrong with Webware ...
lots of people still use it and we all love our Ian Bicking for creating it.
But -- its no longer cool, so fewer and fewer people use it, it isn't assimilating all of the latest and
greatest technology (AJAXy stuff in particular).
it is also getting harder to find people to work with it -- newer pythonistas might not have heard of it.

I have heard the following gossip -- I'm not sure of all of the details:

Textura got bought by AON a couple of years ago, when hard times hit.
AON moved their office from Lincolnshire to Deerfield.
In their great corporate wisdom, AON wanted to change everything from Python to J2EE.
(hence Java/J2EE polluting the job description)

With the move and the tech change, they lost most, if not all, of their Python people.
From what I understand -- management didn't really appreciate them either.
Its a curse of Python -- we make things look so easy -- managers don't realize how great we really are. 

So, now they need Python people again.
Their J2EE's must have failed, or come up with some ridiculous time estimate -- as we would have expected ;-)

I did send my resume to these guys like a year ago -- never even got a reply.
But then again, I was using the funky AON web interface (obviously J2EE) -- it might have lost it :)
I guess the recruiter is less likely to lose it.

-Rob
 

On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Jon Dugan wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:02 PM, David Rock <david at graniteweb.com> wrote:
>>> * Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> [2010-08-06 10:22]:
>>>> Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring, its
>>>> pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
>>>> requirements for a job in huge red text.
>>> 
>>> I had no idea the text was red.  In mutt, I was spared the agony, it
>>> seems. :-)
>> 
>> and you bottom post. you're so cool. :)
> 
> +1 for plain text
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From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 17:55:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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Well he should say its a jython job or something.
Not exactly python.


On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring,
> its
> > pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
> > requirements for a job in huge red text.
>
>
> In Paul defense, if he says its a python job, it is, other wise he
> would not sent it here. I've worked with him on a job interview back
> in 2008 and he really works with you to get that job if you fit the
> minimal description at least.
> From the job description it looks like they want a well rounded
> programmer that can do python work.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Lucas
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Kristofer White <
> kristoferwhite at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
> >> place for job postings in general?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Brian Herman
> >> >
> >> > brianjherman.com
> >> > Research Assistant
> >> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
> >> > brianherman at acm.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Brian Herman
> >> >>
> >> >> brianjherman.com
> >> >> Research Assistant
> >> >> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> >> >> brianherman at acm.org
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> J2EE a BIG plus?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com
> >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May
> >> >>>> > <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
> >> >>>> > wrote:
> >> >>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any
> help
> >> >>>> >> truly
> >> >>>> >> appreciated ;-)
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> FTP
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
> >> >>>> >> Application
> >> >>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
> >> >>>> >> development
> >> >>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a
> plus)
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high
> >> >>>> >> volume,
> >> >>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
> >> >>>> >> Oracle,
> >> >>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
> >> >>>> >> including
> >> >>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation,
> >> >>>> >> and
> >> >>>> >> support.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
> >> >>>> >> Reportlab,
> >> >>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a
> >> >>>> >> big
> >> >>>> >> plus
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Click here to apply online
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Paul
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
> >> >>>> >> v 708.479.1111
> >> >>>> >> c 312.925.1294
> >> >>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
> >> >>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
> >> >>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
> >> >>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
> >> >>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
> >> >>>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
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> >> >>>> >> Chicago at python.org
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> >> >>>> >>
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> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 17:56:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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But more over the reason why everyone is using python is because they hate
java. If you put that in the description then everyone will immediately
ignore it.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well he should say its a jython job or something.
> Not exactly python.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring,
>> its
>> > pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
>> > requirements for a job in huge red text.
>>
>>
>> In Paul defense, if he says its a python job, it is, other wise he
>> would not sent it here. I've worked with him on a job interview back
>> in 2008 and he really works with you to get that job if you fit the
>> minimal description at least.
>> From the job description it looks like they want a well rounded
>> programmer that can do python work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lucas
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Kristofer White <
>> kristoferwhite at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
>> >> place for job postings in general?
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Brian Herman
>> >> >
>> >> > brianjherman.com
>> >> > Research Assistant
>> >> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> >> > brianherman at acm.org
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
>> >> >> Thanks,
>> >> >> Brian Herman
>> >> >>
>> >> >> brianjherman.com
>> >> >> Research Assistant
>> >> >> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> >> >> brianherman at acm.org
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <
>> brianherman at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do nothing!
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May
>> >> >>>> > <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>> >> >>>> > wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any
>> help
>> >> >>>> >> truly
>> >> >>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> FTP
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
>> >> >>>> >> Application
>> >> >>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>> >> >>>> >> development
>> >> >>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a
>> plus)
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high
>> >> >>>> >> volume,
>> >> >>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
>> >> >>>> >> Oracle,
>> >> >>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development
>> lifecycle,
>> >> >>>> >> including
>> >> >>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation,
>> >> >>>> >> and
>> >> >>>> >> support.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware,
>> SQLObject,
>> >> >>>> >> Reportlab,
>> >> >>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience
>> a
>> >> >>>> >> big
>> >> >>>> >> plus
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Click here to apply online
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Paul
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>> >> >>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>> >> >>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>> >> >>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>> >> >>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>> >> >>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>> >> >>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>> >> >>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>> >> >>>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>> >> >>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>> >> >>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>> > Chicago mailing list
>> >> >>>> > Chicago at python.org
>> >> >>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >>>> Chicago at python.org
>> >> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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>> >> >>> Chicago at python.org
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>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:00:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
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ARG TOO MANY BRIANS
call me:
donquixote


On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do plan on organizing and will be more a available for questions later
> this weekend.
>
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:28, sheila miguez < <shekay at pobox.com>
> shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Who is going to be doing the planning for this? I don't want to have
>> multiple people bombarding them all at once about the same thing.
>>
>> ...and I sent a message over to Carl to see what he normally does for
>> this stuff. I have no idea if   we just show up once we have the
>> booking, or if he has to do some ACK stuff with them the day before.
>> I'm assuming we have to get names to deal with security? Not sure.
>
>
> No one besides the organizer should actually need the contact info.
> Everyone else just has to know it's at Wacker/Adams (the specific address)
> on x-floor, and the datetime.datetime(...).
>
> I believe Brian Ray said he was up for organizing. If that changes, I'm
> also named Brian and I'll do it. A third Brian, however, turned it down.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:31:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> ARG TOO MANY BRIANS
> call me:
> donquixote
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I do plan on organizing and will be more a available for questions later
>> this weekend.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:28, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Who is going to be doing the planning for this? I don't want to have
>>> multiple people bombarding them all at once about the same thing.
>>>
>>> ...and I sent a message over to Carl to see what he normally does for
>>> this stuff. I have no idea if ? we just show up once we have the
>>> booking, or if he has to do some ACK stuff with them the day before.
>>> I'm assuming we have to get names to deal with security? Not sure.
>>
>> No one besides the organizer should actually need the contact info.
>> Everyone else just has to know it's at Wacker/Adams (the specific address)
>> on x-floor, and the datetime.datetime(...).
>> I believe Brian Ray said he was up for organizing. If that changes, I'm
>> also named Brian and I'll do it. A third Brian, however, turned it down.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

ETOOMANYBRIANS

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right to say it." -- Voltaire
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
"Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
want" -- Me

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Sat Aug  7 02:41:12 2010
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:41:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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"Everyone" is a big word, isn't it?

Many of us use Python because it's a useful language for a diverse range of
applications. It doesn't mean we "hate" other languages. It doesn't even
mean we're in love with Python.

And are you really saying that Jython is not Python? If so, perhaps you
choose Python because you think CPython is such a wonderful runtime? More
wonderful than the JVM, apparently.

Seriously, what a tired thread. If Webware is "not cool" anymore, then so
are language wars.

-Tal

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> But more over the reason why everyone is using python is because they hate
> java. If you put that in the description then everyone will immediately
> ignore it.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Well he should say its a jython job or something.
>> Not exactly python.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring,
>>> its
>>> > pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
>>> > requirements for a job in huge red text.
>>>
>>>
>>> In Paul defense, if he says its a python job, it is, other wise he
>>> would not sent it here. I've worked with him on a job interview back
>>> in 2008 and he really works with you to get that job if you fit the
>>> minimal description at least.
>>> >From the job description it looks like they want a well rounded
>>> programmer that can do python work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lucas
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Kristofer White <
>>> kristoferwhite at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
>>> >> place for job postings in general?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
>>> >> > Thanks,
>>> >> > Brian Herman
>>> >> >
>>> >> > brianjherman.com
>>> >> > Research Assistant
>>> >> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>> >> > brianherman at acm.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
>>> >> >> Thanks,
>>> >> >> Brian Herman
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> brianjherman.com
>>> >> >> Research Assistant
>>> >> >> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>> >> >> brianherman at acm.org
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <
>>> brianherman at gmail.com>
>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do
>>> nothing!
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May
>>> >> >>>> > <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>>> >> >>>> > wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any
>>> help
>>> >> >>>> >> truly
>>> >> >>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> FTP
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
>>> >> >>>> >> Application
>>> >> >>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>>> >> >>>> >> development
>>> >> >>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a
>>> plus)
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high
>>> >> >>>> >> volume,
>>> >> >>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
>>> >> >>>> >> Oracle,
>>> >> >>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development
>>> lifecycle,
>>> >> >>>> >> including
>>> >> >>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing,
>>> implementation,
>>> >> >>>> >> and
>>> >> >>>> >> support.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware,
>>> SQLObject,
>>> >> >>>> >> Reportlab,
>>> >> >>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration experience
>>> a
>>> >> >>>> >> big
>>> >> >>>> >> plus
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Click here to apply online
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Paul
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>> >> >>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>>> >> >>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>>> >> >>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>> >> >>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>> >> >>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>> >> >>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>> >> >>>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>> >> >>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> >> >>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >> >>> Chicago mailing list
>>> >> >>> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
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>>> >> > Chicago at python.org
>>> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>> >
>>> >
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>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> Research Assistant
>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 03:54:02 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Aug meet
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Or refer to me by my last name
HERMAN

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ARG TOO MANY BRIANS
> > call me:
> > donquixote
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I do plan on organizing and will be more a available for questions later
> >> this weekend.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:28, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Who is going to be doing the planning for this? I don't want to have
> >>> multiple people bombarding them all at once about the same thing.
> >>>
> >>> ...and I sent a message over to Carl to see what he normally does for
> >>> this stuff. I have no idea if   we just show up once we have the
> >>> booking, or if he has to do some ACK stuff with them the day before.
> >>> I'm assuming we have to get names to deal with security? Not sure.
> >>
> >> No one besides the organizer should actually need the contact info.
> >> Everyone else just has to know it's at Wacker/Adams (the specific
> address)
> >> on x-floor, and the datetime.datetime(...).
> >> I believe Brian Ray said he was up for organizing. If that changes, I'm
> >> also named Brian and I'll do it. A third Brian, however, turned it down.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Herman
> >
> > brianjherman.com
> > Research Assistant
> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
> > brianherman at acm.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
>
> ETOOMANYBRIANS
>
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
> right to say it." -- Voltaire
> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
> "Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
> want" -- Me
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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Research Assistant
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 03:57:20 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:57:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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No I love jython and I think it is a wonderful language.
In fact I have installed jython on my laptop!
But seriously, you are right this is a tired thread.
Maybe I shouldn't hate so much on the guy.
It's just when you say python position and J2EE preferred I think of jython
immediately.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

> "Everyone" is a big word, isn't it?
>
> Many of us use Python because it's a useful language for a diverse range of
> applications. It doesn't mean we "hate" other languages. It doesn't even
> mean we're in love with Python.
>
> And are you really saying that Jython is not Python? If so, perhaps you
> choose Python because you think CPython is such a wonderful runtime? More
> wonderful than the JVM, apparently.
>
> Seriously, what a tired thread. If Webware is "not cool" anymore, then so
> are language wars.
>
> -Tal
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> But more over the reason why everyone is using python is because they hate
>> java. If you put that in the description then everyone will immediately
>> ignore it.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Well he should say its a jython job or something.
>>> Not exactly python.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring,
>>>> its
>>>> > pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
>>>> > requirements for a job in huge red text.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In Paul defense, if he says its a python job, it is, other wise he
>>>> would not sent it here. I've worked with him on a job interview back
>>>> in 2008 and he really works with you to get that job if you fit the
>>>> minimal description at least.
>>>> >From the job description it looks like they want a well rounded
>>>> programmer that can do python work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Lucas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Kristofer White <
>>>> kristoferwhite at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
>>>> >> place for job postings in general?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
>>>> >> > Thanks,
>>>> >> > Brian Herman
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > brianjherman.com
>>>> >> > Research Assistant
>>>> >> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>>> >> > brianherman at acm.org
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <
>>>> brianherman at gmail.com>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
>>>> >> >> Thanks,
>>>> >> >> Brian Herman
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> brianjherman.com
>>>> >> >> Research Assistant
>>>> >> >> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>>> >> >> brianherman at acm.org
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <
>>>> brianherman at gmail.com>
>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <emperorcezar at gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do
>>>> nothing!
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May
>>>> >> >>>> > <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>>>> >> >>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any
>>>> help
>>>> >> >>>> >> truly
>>>> >> >>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> FTP
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
>>>> >> >>>> >> Application
>>>> >> >>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>>>> >> >>>> >> development
>>>> >> >>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a
>>>> plus)
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high
>>>> >> >>>> >> volume,
>>>> >> >>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2,
>>>> or
>>>> >> >>>> >> Oracle,
>>>> >> >>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development
>>>> lifecycle,
>>>> >> >>>> >> including
>>>> >> >>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing,
>>>> implementation,
>>>> >> >>>> >> and
>>>> >> >>>> >> support.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware,
>>>> SQLObject,
>>>> >> >>>> >> Reportlab,
>>>> >> >>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration
>>>> experience a
>>>> >> >>>> >> big
>>>> >> >>>> >> plus
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Click here to apply online
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Paul
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>>> >> >>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>>>> >> >>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>>>> >> >>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>>> >> >>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>>> >> >>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>>> >> >>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>>> >> >>>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> >>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> >>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> >>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> >> >>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> >>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> >>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> >>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> >>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> >>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> >>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>> >> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian Herman
>>>
>>> brianjherman.com
>>> Research Assistant
>>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>> brianherman at acm.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> Research Assistant
>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 03:59:25 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:59:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
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I love the fact that it runs on the JVM and you can use all the coolness of
the java libraries without the syntax.
If I was starting any project that needed a java library I would suggest
jython out of all the jvm based languages.
<3 jython <3
jython= java done right.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> No I love jython and I think it is a wonderful language.
> In fact I have installed jython on my laptop!
> But seriously, you are right this is a tired thread.
> Maybe I shouldn't hate so much on the guy.
> It's just when you say python position and J2EE preferred I think of jython
> immediately.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:
>
>> "Everyone" is a big word, isn't it?
>>
>> Many of us use Python because it's a useful language for a diverse range
>> of applications. It doesn't mean we "hate" other languages. It doesn't even
>> mean we're in love with Python.
>>
>> And are you really saying that Jython is not Python? If so, perhaps you
>> choose Python because you think CPython is such a wonderful runtime? More
>> wonderful than the JVM, apparently.
>>
>> Seriously, what a tired thread. If Webware is "not cool" anymore, then so
>> are language wars.
>>
>> -Tal
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> But more over the reason why everyone is using python is because they
>>> hate java. If you put that in the description then everyone will immediately
>>> ignore it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well he should say its a jython job or something.
>>>> Not exactly python.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is
>>>>> hiring, its
>>>>> > pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent
>>>>> > requirements for a job in huge red text.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In Paul defense, if he says its a python job, it is, other wise he
>>>>> would not sent it here. I've worked with him on a job interview back
>>>>> in 2008 and he really works with you to get that job if you fit the
>>>>> minimal description at least.
>>>>> >From the job description it looks like they want a well rounded
>>>>> programmer that can do python work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Lucas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Kristofer White <
>>>>> kristoferwhite at gmail.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Forgive me, I'm new, but is a mailing list like this the appropriate
>>>>> >> place for job postings in general?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > Can we ban this guy for bringing up java?
>>>>> >> > Thanks,
>>>>> >> > Brian Herman
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > brianjherman.com
>>>>> >> > Research Assistant
>>>>> >> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>>>> >> > brianherman at acm.org
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Brian Herman <
>>>>> brianherman at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> J2EE == (python - 10000000 x 10^300)
>>>>> >> >> Thanks,
>>>>> >> >> Brian Herman
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> brianjherman.com
>>>>> >> >> Research Assistant
>>>>> >> >> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>>>> >> >> brianherman at acm.org
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> J2EE a BIG plus?
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brian Herman <
>>>>> brianherman at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> It looks like he wants a java developer.
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> On Aug 5, 2010 11:17 AM, "Adam Jenkins" <
>>>>> emperorcezar at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>> > Oh god, the red, it burns my eyes! The goggles! They do
>>>>> nothing!
>>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>>> >> >>>> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul May
>>>>> >> >>>> > <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>>>>> >> >>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Doesn anyone know anyone that may fit this role below??? Any
>>>>> help
>>>>> >> >>>> >> truly
>>>>> >> >>>> >> appreciated ;-)
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> PYTHON Software Development
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> FTP
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Application
>>>>> >> >>>> >> PYTHON software development experience.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
>>>>> >> >>>> >> development
>>>>> >> >>>> >> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a
>>>>> plus)
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable,
>>>>> high
>>>>> >> >>>> >> volume,
>>>>> >> >>>> >> commercial-grade web applications.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2,
>>>>> or
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Oracle,
>>>>> >> >>>> >> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Expertise with all phases of the software development
>>>>> lifecycle,
>>>>> >> >>>> >> including
>>>>> >> >>>> >> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing,
>>>>> implementation,
>>>>> >> >>>> >> and
>>>>> >> >>>> >> support.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware,
>>>>> SQLObject,
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Reportlab,
>>>>> >> >>>> >> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Web services and enterprise application integration
>>>>> experience a
>>>>> >> >>>> >> big
>>>>> >> >>>> >> plus
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Click here to apply online
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Paul
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>>>> >> >>>> >> v 708.479.1111
>>>>> >> >>>> >> c 312.925.1294
>>>>> >> >>>> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>>>> >> >>>> >>            Help a friend ;-)
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> >> >>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> >> >>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> >>
>>>>> >> >>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> >>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>>> >> >>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>>> >> >>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> >>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> >> >>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> >> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> >>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> >> >>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> >> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> > Chicago mailing list
>>>>> >> > Chicago at python.org
>>>>> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> >> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > Chicago mailing list
>>>>> > Chicago at python.org
>>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian Herman
>>>>
>>>> brianjherman.com
>>>> Research Assistant
>>>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>>> brianherman at acm.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian Herman
>>>
>>> brianjherman.com
>>> Research Assistant
>>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>> brianherman at acm.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
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From verisimilidude at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 05:45:45 2010
From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 22:45:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] help required on python 2.6 and pigments module
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Pygments is a syntax highlighter that colorizes source code.  If you
want to convert XML into HTML you should use an XSLT processor.  There
are several for python, and a discussion of the choices can be found
on http://bytes.com/topic/python/answers/22945-xml-xslt-python.

Getting up to speed on XSLT is not simple but for what you are trying
to do it is the correct way to go.

Phil

On 8/6/10, swetha puli <puli.sithu at gmail.com> wrote:
> sir/madam,
...
>  For getting reports in html format what are the steps to be followed.
>           please kindly reply to this problem.
>                                  thanking you..
>

From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Sat Aug  7 08:03:20 2010
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 6:03:20 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
Message-ID: <128371305276795@127.0.0.1:NOSSL>

Dear ChiPy members, I never realize a simple job posting could create this much discussion. Thx for all the comments about the job posting. I changed the posting because of your comments and appreciate the help on better defining what they're doing.

Lucas, thx for the kind words as well. I really do take an interest in trying to help someone get the right fit. I've worked with or spoken to a number of you over the years. As the headhunter, I'm the messenger and as they say , don't shoot the messenger.  I'm here to fill a need.  I try and present the position accurately and fairly. I appreciate the finer details of the job description analysis and all this helps in finding a better match up, Thx. Someone out there has to appreciate this type of work? 

I still have not found that person ;-)

btw, I'm happy to sponsor a beer and pizza party but no coffee (java) will be allowed ;-) who do I talk to about a party?

PYTHON Software Development
FTP
$75,000.00 - $100,000.00
$0.00
Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application PYTHON software development experience. This position could be consider a Jython role but ideally they'd like someone working with Python. 
Thanks to ChiPy for making this a better description ;-)
Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume, commercial-grade web applications.
Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle, SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
Financial and business workflow development experience. 
Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle, including requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and support. 
Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject, Reportlab, and J2EE technologies a big plus. 
Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big plus 
Business process focused systems experience a big plus. 
Skills working in a collaborative team environment. 
BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience. 
Excellent verbal and written communication skills.

Click here to apply online
   

Paul
Paul May & Associates (PMA)
v 708.479.1111 
c 312.925.1294
paul at paulmayassociates.com
LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates  
http://www.computer-jobs.com
http://www.careerjobsinfo.com 
http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc 
Offering the following recruiting services:
Information Technology - Sales / Marketing, 
Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
** Inquire about our referral bonus** 
           Help a friend ;-)
  

(The following links were included with this email:)
http://www.pcrecruiter.net/pcrbin/apply.asp?r=WHiSxfAEkw%2bEBhCkSUKtCYjT7NKfjfhi02t4mNvwwG2xdbPONJhdDiOpsVmD4c1pUn%2futxs%3d

mailto:paul at paulmayassociates.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates

http://www.computer-jobs.com/

http://www.careerjobsinfo.com/

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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 01:45:15 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:45:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <6349877171903896817@unknownmsgid>
References: <6349877171903896817@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=i0t2RcVVdu9MBdpHtjbFz4TDGfoN0xUm6EF6x@mail.gmail.com>

Fix your signature the red still burns.

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com> wrote:

>  Dear ChiPy members, I never realize a simple job posting could create
> this much discussion. Thx for all the comments about the job posting. I
> changed the posting because of your comments and appreciate the help on
> better defining what they're doing.
>
>
>
> Lucas, thx for the kind words as well. I really do take an interest in
> trying to help someone get the right fit. I've worked with or spoken to a
> number of you over the years. As the headhunter, I'm the messenger and as
> they say , don't shoot the messenger.  I'm here to fill a need.  I try and
> present the position accurately and fairly. I appreciate the finer details
> of the job description analysis and all this helps in finding a better match
> up, Thx. Someone out there has to appreciate this type of work?
>
>
>
> I still have not found that person ;-)
>
>
>
> btw, I'm happy to sponsor a beer and pizza party but no coffee (java) will
> be allowed ;-) who do I talk to about a party?
>
>
>
> PYTHON Software Development
>
> FTP
>
> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>
> $0.00
>
>  Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>
> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
> PYTHON software development experience. This position could be consider a
> Jython role but ideally they'd like someone working with Python.
>
> *Thanks to ChiPy for making this a better description ;-)*
>
> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>
> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
> commercial-grade web applications.
>
> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>
> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>
> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle, including
> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and support.
>
>
> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>
> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject, Reportlab,
> and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>
> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big plus
>
> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>
> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>
> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>
> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>
> Click here to apply online<http://www.pcrecruiter.net/pcrbin/apply.asp?r=WHiSxfAEkw%2bEBhCkSUKtCYjT7NKfjfhi02t4mNvwwG2xdbPONJhdDiOpsVmD4c1pUn%2futxs%3d>
>
>
>  **
> *
>
> Paul
>
> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
> v 708.479.1111
> c 312.925.1294
> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>
> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>
> http://www.computer-jobs.com
> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>
> Offering the following recruiting services:
> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>
> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>            Help a friend ;-)
> *
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 01:46:16 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:46:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=i0t2RcVVdu9MBdpHtjbFz4TDGfoN0xUm6EF6x@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6349877171903896817@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTi=i0t2RcVVdu9MBdpHtjbFz4TDGfoN0xUm6EF6x@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimeKgNcY53TCuCxEWeARKkMRQbPDe7Dh+BpgZnO@mail.gmail.com>

A lot of people will take you more seriously with a more professional
signature.

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fix your signature the red still burns.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>wrote:
>
>>  Dear ChiPy members, I never realize a simple job posting could create
>> this much discussion. Thx for all the comments about the job posting. I
>> changed the posting because of your comments and appreciate the help on
>> better defining what they're doing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lucas, thx for the kind words as well. I really do take an interest in
>> trying to help someone get the right fit. I've worked with or spoken to a
>> number of you over the years. As the headhunter, I'm the messenger and as
>> they say , don't shoot the messenger.  I'm here to fill a need.  I try and
>> present the position accurately and fairly. I appreciate the finer details
>> of the job description analysis and all this helps in finding a better match
>> up, Thx. Someone out there has to appreciate this type of work?
>>
>>
>>
>> I still have not found that person ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> btw, I'm happy to sponsor a beer and pizza party but no coffee (java) will
>> be allowed ;-) who do I talk to about a party?
>>
>>
>>
>> PYTHON Software Development
>>
>> FTP
>>
>> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>
>> $0.00
>>
>>  Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>
>> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
>> PYTHON software development experience. This position could be consider a
>> Jython role but ideally they'd like someone working with Python.
>>
>> *Thanks to ChiPy for making this a better description ;-)*
>>
>> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
>> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>
>> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>> commercial-grade web applications.
>>
>> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
>> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>
>> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>
>> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle, including
>> requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation, and support.
>>
>>
>> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>
>> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>> Reportlab, and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>
>> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big plus
>>
>> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>
>> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>
>> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>
>> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>
>> Click here to apply online<http://www.pcrecruiter.net/pcrbin/apply.asp?r=WHiSxfAEkw%2bEBhCkSUKtCYjT7NKfjfhi02t4mNvwwG2xdbPONJhdDiOpsVmD4c1pUn%2futxs%3d>
>>
>>
>>  **
>> *
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>> v 708.479.1111
>> c 312.925.1294
>> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>
>> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>
>> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>
>> Offering the following recruiting services:
>> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>
>> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>            Help a friend ;-)
>> *
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 01:48:39 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:48:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimeKgNcY53TCuCxEWeARKkMRQbPDe7Dh+BpgZnO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6349877171903896817@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTi=i0t2RcVVdu9MBdpHtjbFz4TDGfoN0xUm6EF6x@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimeKgNcY53TCuCxEWeARKkMRQbPDe7Dh+BpgZnO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim86RtjQaH3s1=sHcw6hTtx+dhc8Rvb3bpj4SUf@mail.gmail.com>

For example:
Paul May
708.479.1111
312.925.1294
paul at paulmayassociates.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc

As soon as we see that red.
Our blood boils hot.
Just a quick question who are your associates?

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> A lot of people will take you more seriously with a more professional
> signature.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Fix your signature the red still burns.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> Research Assistant
>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Dear ChiPy members, I never realize a simple job posting could create
>>> this much discussion. Thx for all the comments about the job posting. I
>>> changed the posting because of your comments and appreciate the help on
>>> better defining what they're doing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lucas, thx for the kind words as well. I really do take an interest in
>>> trying to help someone get the right fit. I've worked with or spoken to a
>>> number of you over the years. As the headhunter, I'm the messenger and as
>>> they say , don't shoot the messenger.  I'm here to fill a need.  I try and
>>> present the position accurately and fairly. I appreciate the finer details
>>> of the job description analysis and all this helps in finding a better match
>>> up, Thx. Someone out there has to appreciate this type of work?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still have not found that person ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> btw, I'm happy to sponsor a beer and pizza party but no coffee
>>> (java) will be allowed ;-) who do I talk to about a party?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PYTHON Software Development
>>>
>>> FTP
>>>
>>> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>>
>>> $0.00
>>>
>>>  Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>>
>>> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
>>> PYTHON software development experience. This position could be consider a
>>> Jython role but ideally they'd like someone working with Python.
>>>
>>> *Thanks to ChiPy for making this a better description ;-)*
>>>
>>> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
>>> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>>
>>> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>>> commercial-grade web applications.
>>>
>>> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
>>> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>>
>>> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>>
>>> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>>> including requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation,
>>> and support.
>>>
>>> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>>
>>> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>>> Reportlab, and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>>
>>> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big plus
>>>
>>>
>>> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>>
>>> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>>
>>> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>>
>>> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>>
>>> Click here to apply online<http://www.pcrecruiter.net/pcrbin/apply.asp?r=WHiSxfAEkw%2bEBhCkSUKtCYjT7NKfjfhi02t4mNvwwG2xdbPONJhdDiOpsVmD4c1pUn%2futxs%3d>
>>>
>>>
>>>  **
>>> *
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>> v 708.479.1111
>>> c 312.925.1294
>>> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>
>>> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>
>>> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>>
>>> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>>
>>> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>>            Help a friend ;-)
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 01:52:35 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:52:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim86RtjQaH3s1=sHcw6hTtx+dhc8Rvb3bpj4SUf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6349877171903896817@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTi=i0t2RcVVdu9MBdpHtjbFz4TDGfoN0xUm6EF6x@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimeKgNcY53TCuCxEWeARKkMRQbPDe7Dh+BpgZnO@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTim86RtjQaH3s1=sHcw6hTtx+dhc8Rvb3bpj4SUf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VvMfZxwNHkU2c6X=KBRwkWGvPfaTsrB6X-V88@mail.gmail.com>

I am sorry but repetition on a list is going to ruin your credibility even
further.
That just makes all of us want to mark your messages as spam.
At our work, and everywhere else.
Why would anyone hire you as a headhunter?

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> For example:
> Paul May
> 708.479.1111
>
> 312.925.1294
> paul at paulmayassociates.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>
> As soon as we see that red.
> Our blood boils hot.
> Just a quick question who are your associates?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> A lot of people will take you more seriously with a more professional
>> signature.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> Research Assistant
>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Fix your signature the red still burns.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian Herman
>>>
>>> brianjherman.com
>>> Research Assistant
>>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>> brianherman at acm.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Dear ChiPy members, I never realize a simple job posting could create
>>>> this much discussion. Thx for all the comments about the job posting. I
>>>> changed the posting because of your comments and appreciate the help on
>>>> better defining what they're doing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lucas, thx for the kind words as well. I really do take an interest in
>>>> trying to help someone get the right fit. I've worked with or spoken to a
>>>> number of you over the years. As the headhunter, I'm the messenger and as
>>>> they say , don't shoot the messenger.  I'm here to fill a need.  I try and
>>>> present the position accurately and fairly. I appreciate the finer details
>>>> of the job description analysis and all this helps in finding a better match
>>>> up, Thx. Someone out there has to appreciate this type of work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still have not found that person ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> btw, I'm happy to sponsor a beer and pizza party but no coffee
>>>> (java) will be allowed ;-) who do I talk to about a party?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PYTHON Software Development
>>>>
>>>> FTP
>>>>
>>>> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>>>
>>>> $0.00
>>>>
>>>>  Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>>>
>>>> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
>>>> PYTHON software development experience. This position could be consider a
>>>> Jython role but ideally they'd like someone working with Python.
>>>>
>>>> *Thanks to ChiPy for making this a better description ;-)*
>>>>
>>>> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
>>>> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>>>
>>>> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>>>> commercial-grade web applications.
>>>>
>>>> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
>>>> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>>>
>>>> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>>>
>>>> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>>>> including requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation,
>>>> and support.
>>>>
>>>> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>>>
>>>> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>>>> Reportlab, and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>>>
>>>> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big
>>>> plus
>>>>
>>>> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>>>
>>>> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>>>
>>>> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>>>
>>>> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>>>
>>>> Click here to apply online<http://www.pcrecruiter.net/pcrbin/apply.asp?r=WHiSxfAEkw%2bEBhCkSUKtCYjT7NKfjfhi02t4mNvwwG2xdbPONJhdDiOpsVmD4c1pUn%2futxs%3d>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  **
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>>> v 708.479.1111
>>>> c 312.925.1294
>>>> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>>
>>>> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>>
>>>> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>>> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>>> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>>>
>>>> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>>> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>>> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>>>
>>>> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
>>>>            Help a friend ;-)
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From chad at glendenin.com  Sun Aug  8 02:16:25 2010
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 19:16:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=VvMfZxwNHkU2c6X=KBRwkWGvPfaTsrB6X-V88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6349877171903896817@unknownmsgid>
	<AANLkTi=i0t2RcVVdu9MBdpHtjbFz4TDGfoN0xUm6EF6x@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimeKgNcY53TCuCxEWeARKkMRQbPDe7Dh+BpgZnO@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim86RtjQaH3s1=sHcw6hTtx+dhc8Rvb3bpj4SUf@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=VvMfZxwNHkU2c6X=KBRwkWGvPfaTsrB6X-V88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimjqP2+8oepWk7dzwBWgQy_=bbUW=UCjq+8+uhF@mail.gmail.com>

I think this horse is dead. Can we please stop kicking it?

Thanks,
ccg


On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am sorry but repetition on a list is going to ruin your credibility even
> further.
> That just makes all of us want to mark your messages as spam.
> At our work, and everywhere else.
> Why would anyone hire you as a headhunter?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For example:
>> Paul May
>> 708.479.1111
>> 312.925.1294
>> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>
>> As soon as we see that red.
>> Our blood boils hot.
>> Just a quick question who are your associates?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Herman
>>
>> brianjherman.com
>> Research Assistant
>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>> brianherman at acm.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A lot of people will take you more seriously with a more professional
>>> signature.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian Herman
>>>
>>> brianjherman.com
>>> Research Assistant
>>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>> brianherman at acm.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fix your signature the red still burns.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian Herman
>>>>
>>>> brianjherman.com
>>>> Research Assistant
>>>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
>>>> brianherman at acm.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear ChiPy members, I never realize a simple job posting could create
>>>>> this much discussion. Thx for all the comments about the job posting. I
>>>>> changed the posting because of your comments and appreciate the help on
>>>>> better defining what they're doing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lucas, thx for the kind words as well. I really do take?an interest in
>>>>> trying to help someone get the right fit.?I've worked with or spoken to a
>>>>> number of you?over the years. As the headhunter, I'm the messenger and as
>>>>> they say , don't shoot the messenger. ?I'm here to fill a need.? I try and
>>>>> present the position accurately and fairly. I appreciate the finer details
>>>>> of the job description analysis and all this helps in finding a better match
>>>>> up, Thx. Someone out there has to appreciate this type of work?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have not found that person ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> btw,?I'm happy to sponsor a beer and pizza party?but no coffee
>>>>> (java)?will be allowed ;-)?who do I talk to about a party?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PYTHON Software Development
>>>>>
>>>>> FTP
>>>>>
>>>>> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
>>>>>
>>>>> $0.00
>>>>>
>>>>> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
>>>>>
>>>>> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web- Application
>>>>> PYTHON software development experience. This position could be consider a
>>>>> Jython role but ideally they'd like someone working with Python.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to ChiPy for making this a better description ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal development
>>>>> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
>>>>>
>>>>> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
>>>>> commercial-grade web applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or Oracle,
>>>>> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Financial and business workflow development experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
>>>>> including requirements analysis, design, coding, testing, implementation,
>>>>> and support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
>>>>> Reportlab, and J2EE technologies a big plus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big
>>>>> plus
>>>>>
>>>>> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
>>>>>
>>>>> Click here to apply online
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
>>>>> v 708.479.1111
>>>>> c 312.925.1294
>>>>> paul at paulmayassociates.com
>>>>>
>>>>> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.computer-jobs.com
>>>>> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
>>>>> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
>>>>>
>>>>> Offering the following recruiting services:
>>>>> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
>>>>> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Inquire about our?referral?bonus**
>>>>> ?????????? Help a friend ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 02:55:16 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 19:55:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimjqP2+8oepWk7dzwBWgQy_=bbUW=UCjq+8+uhF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6349877171903896817@unknownmsgid>
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	<AANLkTimeKgNcY53TCuCxEWeARKkMRQbPDe7Dh+BpgZnO@mail.gmail.com> 
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Sorry.
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Chad Glendenin <chad at glendenin.com> wrote:

> I think this horse is dead. Can we please stop kicking it?
>
> Thanks,
> ccg
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I am sorry but repetition on a list is going to ruin your credibility
> even
> > further.
> > That just makes all of us want to mark your messages as spam.
> > At our work, and everywhere else.
> > Why would anyone hire you as a headhunter?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Herman
> >
> > brianjherman.com
> > Research Assistant
> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
> > brianherman at acm.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> For example:
> >> Paul May
> >> 708.479.1111
> >> 312.925.1294
> >> paul at paulmayassociates.com
> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
> >> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
> >>
> >> As soon as we see that red.
> >> Our blood boils hot.
> >> Just a quick question who are your associates?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian Herman
> >>
> >> brianjherman.com
> >> Research Assistant
> >> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> >> brianherman at acm.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A lot of people will take you more seriously with a more professional
> >>> signature.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Brian Herman
> >>>
> >>> brianjherman.com
> >>> Research Assistant
> >>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> >>> brianherman at acm.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Fix your signature the red still burns.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Brian Herman
> >>>>
> >>>> brianjherman.com
> >>>> Research Assistant
> >>>> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> >>>> brianherman at acm.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Paul May <paul at paulmayassociates.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear ChiPy members, I never realize a simple job posting could create
> >>>>> this much discussion. Thx for all the comments about the job posting.
> I
> >>>>> changed the posting because of your comments and appreciate the help
> on
> >>>>> better defining what they're doing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lucas, thx for the kind words as well. I really do take an interest
> in
> >>>>> trying to help someone get the right fit. I've worked with or spoken
> to a
> >>>>> number of you over the years. As the headhunter, I'm the messenger
> and as
> >>>>> they say , don't shoot the messenger.  I'm here to fill a need.  I
> try and
> >>>>> present the position accurately and fairly. I appreciate the finer
> details
> >>>>> of the job description analysis and all this helps in finding a
> better match
> >>>>> up, Thx. Someone out there has to appreciate this type of work?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I still have not found that person ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> btw, I'm happy to sponsor a beer and pizza party but no coffee
> >>>>> (java) will be allowed ;-) who do I talk to about a party?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PYTHON Software Development
> >>>>>
> >>>>> FTP
> >>>>>
> >>>>> $75,000.00 - $100,000.00
> >>>>>
> >>>>> $0.00
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Python Web Developer, Deerfield Illinois 60015
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A minimum of one plus yrs of solid GUI or server side Web-
> Application
> >>>>> PYTHON software development experience. This position could be
> consider a
> >>>>> Jython role but ideally they'd like someone working with Python.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks to ChiPy for making this a better description ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Solid understanding of object orient concepts, using formal
> development
> >>>>> methods. (Experience with agile/test driven methodologies a plus)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Experience developing robust, secure, complex, scalable, high volume,
> >>>>> commercial-grade web applications.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Should have some database programming with PostgreSQL, DB2, or
> Oracle,
> >>>>> SQLAlchemy or Twisted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Financial and business workflow development experience.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Expertise with all phases of the software development lifecycle,
> >>>>> including requirements analysis, design, coding, testing,
> implementation,
> >>>>> and support.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any architect and systems development experience a big plus.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Application development using Linux, Apache, Webware, SQLObject,
> >>>>> Reportlab, and J2EE technologies a big plus.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Web services and enterprise application integration experience a big
> >>>>> plus
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Business process focused systems experience a big plus.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Skills working in a collaborative team environment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BA/BS in CS or equivalent experience.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Excellent verbal and written communication skills.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Click here to apply online
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paul
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paul May & Associates (PMA)
> >>>>> v 708.479.1111
> >>>>> c 312.925.1294
> >>>>> paul at paulmayassociates.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> LION: http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.computer-jobs.com
> >>>>> http://www.careerjobsinfo.com
> >>>>> http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Offering the following recruiting services:
> >>>>> Information Technology - Sales / Marketing,
> >>>>> Finance / Accounting - Legal - Administrative
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ** Inquire about our referral bonus**
> >>>>>            Help a friend ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Chicago mailing list
> >>>>> Chicago at python.org
> >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 04:02:53 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 21:02:53 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Type Hints PHP WTF?
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_OpaVUvfx7Sx6xwMN9SRdj1=Fj2s0hiiwzx88@mail.gmail.com>

OH PHP....
http://schlueters.de/blog/archives/139-Scalar-type-hints-in-PHP-trunk.html
You are doing it wrong......
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
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From maney at two14.net  Sun Aug  8 04:13:02 2010
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 21:13:02 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Type Hints PHP WTF?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_OpaVUvfx7Sx6xwMN9SRdj1=Fj2s0hiiwzx88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin_OpaVUvfx7Sx6xwMN9SRdj1=Fj2s0hiiwzx88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100808021302.GB15533@furrr.two14.net>

On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 09:02:53PM -0500, Brian Herman wrote:
> OH PHP....
> http://schlueters.de/blog/archives/139-Scalar-type-hints-in-PHP-trunk.html
> You are doing it wrong......

Isn't that about what you would expect from adding type declarations to
a language with no fixed notion of types?  Blood, sweat, tears and pain
beyond your wildest dreams...

-- 
Q: What do you get when programmers design a language
   while trying to get something else done?
A: PHP  -- Jeremy H. Brown

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Sun Aug  8 06:09:51 2010
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 23:09:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=J3wqfgjSWTkw2s6R+CNZQFNFYEqkNMCNRYCkm@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>	<AANLkTinZ+UGeGdEz6ZUoPxYa7hV4SBxsMzPawVYFe7ZF@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTikY6X66uo5bG-e1+QgY4-fLNV9BbpfvVMFk+-6Y@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik-wbSkvYfxsRb+51f-PZ4mavksQBiny_tQpiAv@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTinjEa2dCyp8+-POSRGANgAB=P84=+ieRWCukDpr@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik35Oaq7P4-VtW+ULWT8a0u3EDLOUtYFxdLwuS-@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTinsNWhqerf=GxqUt=uR5T=u7nYjQmdgeK-5ms27@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTikuqLX+C4t1oa315o_Z5zPTMjk4f7p+OXQxUkOM@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=UWvEYLSKuFLjTcYcocMTm+E9Q6+rRn8uRX_kp@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik=HTiYkoH9To03LkzqfPdP3cNykRoVCz-rqYBN@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik=wbY994qhHa4GTSHJsZa8LLmi9zx0X3fE5Qj0@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimLvw31vDB=mn+kKQ8Uqwnr+eTRDAKt3GdXEdWE@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=t8unGWtSne4WXc6JF0N2KZA0OvYN0+4Es+sUR@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4C5E2E0F.9020409@threecrickets.com>

  Let me suggest, instead, that Java is to the JVM as C is to Unix -- 
the native, boring underlying language, which may you need to 
occasionally "drop down to" in order to do lower, "kernel"-level work, 
or for procedures where optimized performance is paramount. Otherwise, 
there is a host of great languages to choose from: Python (via Jython), 
Ruby (via JRuby), JavaScript (via Rhino), PHP (via Quercus) and also 
terrific JVM-specific languages such as Clojure, Scala and Groovy.

In this sense, it's not that "Jython is Java done right" so much as the 
JVM, successfully if awkwardly, delivers on Unix's broken promise of 
"open computing." Since version 5, the JVM has served as a stable, 
well-performing platform that really, truly is deployable on Unix, 
Linux, Solaris, Windows, and even mobile platforms. CPython, Rubinius, 
etc., might get there eventually, too, but they have a ways to go, and 
they will likely have to reinvent wheels already spinning in the JVM. 
(I'm particularly interested in applications of the LLVM project.) Why 
wait, though, when you can deploy right now? I would say, instead, that 
"the JVM is CPython done right," and this has nothing in particular to 
say for or against Python or Java as languages.

-Tal

On 08/06/2010 08:59 PM, Brian Herman wrote:
> I love the fact that it runs on the JVM and you can use all the 
> coolness of the java libraries without the syntax.
> If I was starting any project that needed a java library I would 
> suggest jython out of all the jvm based languages.
> <3 jython <3
> jython= java done right.
>

From brianherman at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 03:02:33 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 20:02:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] From PMA - Position: PYTHON Software Development
In-Reply-To: <4C5E2E0F.9020409@threecrickets.com>
References: <4665483068132241411@unknownmsgid>
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Yes I agree!

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

>  Let me suggest, instead, that Java is to the JVM as C is to Unix -- the
> native, boring underlying language, which may you need to occasionally "drop
> down to" in order to do lower, "kernel"-level work, or for procedures where
> optimized performance is paramount. Otherwise, there is a host of great
> languages to choose from: Python (via Jython), Ruby (via JRuby), JavaScript
> (via Rhino), PHP (via Quercus) and also terrific JVM-specific languages such
> as Clojure, Scala and Groovy.
>
> In this sense, it's not that "Jython is Java done right" so much as the
> JVM, successfully if awkwardly, delivers on Unix's broken promise of "open
> computing." Since version 5, the JVM has served as a stable, well-performing
> platform that really, truly is deployable on Unix, Linux, Solaris, Windows,
> and even mobile platforms. CPython, Rubinius, etc., might get there
> eventually, too, but they have a ways to go, and they will likely have to
> reinvent wheels already spinning in the JVM. (I'm particularly interested in
> applications of the LLVM project.) Why wait, though, when you can deploy
> right now? I would say, instead, that "the JVM is CPython done right," and
> this has nothing in particular to say for or against Python or Java as
> languages.
>
> -Tal
>
>
> On 08/06/2010 08:59 PM, Brian Herman wrote:
>
>> I love the fact that it runs on the JVM and you can use all the coolness
>> of the java libraries without the syntax.
>> If I was starting any project that needed a java library I would suggest
>> jython out of all the jvm based languages.
>> <3 jython <3
>> jython= java done right.
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From verisimilidude at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 03:19:07 2010
From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 20:19:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
Message-ID: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>

A friend with a three person business wants to set up a server for
backups, document sharing, email server, app serving etc. I think a
leased box at a colocation service is a better choice than turning her
closet into a machine room but I have never been involved in
purchasing such.  Can any of my fellow Chipsters recommend a company
they have been happy with or give me any hints as to what to look for
/ avoid?

Thanks,

Phil

From brianherman at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 03:37:45 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 20:37:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=hgL_3KskzHVHGOOZwwq1gtUX0qpMoikRhuck1@mail.gmail.com>

You could setup etherpad <http://www.etherpad.org>for text document sharing.

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com>wrote:

> A friend with a three person business wants to set up a server for
> backups, document sharing, email server, app serving etc. I think a
> leased box at a colocation service is a better choice than turning her
> closet into a machine room but I have never been involved in
> purchasing such.  Can any of my fellow Chipsters recommend a company
> they have been happy with or give me any hints as to what to look for
> / avoid?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From jongman at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 04:06:43 2010
From: jongman at gmail.com (JongMan Koo)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 21:06:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimzA3O4iYnoSsXWEBZH_TwYprUs3JZcjwn7fqzd@mail.gmail.com>

Using a VPS (hosted virtual server instances) would be a better choice.
Significantly lower price, less hassle.

I would highly recommend Linode (www.linode.com), and I have heard good
things about RapidXen (their servers are hosted in Chicago).

Cheers,
JongMan

2010/8/8 Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com>

> A friend with a three person business wants to set up a server for
> backups, document sharing, email server, app serving etc. I think a
> leased box at a colocation service is a better choice than turning her
> closet into a machine room but I have never been involved in
> purchasing such.  Can any of my fellow Chipsters recommend a company
> they have been happy with or give me any hints as to what to look for
> / avoid?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Mon Aug  9 04:12:57 2010
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:12:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimzA3O4iYnoSsXWEBZH_TwYprUs3JZcjwn7fqzd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimzA3O4iYnoSsXWEBZH_TwYprUs3JZcjwn7fqzd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5F6429.2060909@threecrickets.com>

  I've had excellent experience with prgmr.com (also Xen-based). As low 
as $5 per month.

-Tal

On 08/08/2010 09:06 PM, JongMan Koo wrote:
> Using a VPS (hosted virtual server instances) would be a better 
> choice. Significantly lower price, less hassle.
>
> I would highly recommend Linode (www.linode.com 
> <http://www.linode.com>), and I have heard good things about RapidXen 
> (their servers are hosted in Chicago).
>
> Cheers,
> JongMan
>
> 2010/8/8 Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com 
> <mailto:verisimilidude at gmail.com>>
>
>     A friend with a three person business wants to set up a server for
>     backups, document sharing, email server, app serving etc. I think a
>     leased box at a colocation service is a better choice than turning her
>     closet into a machine room but I have never been involved in
>     purchasing such.  Can any of my fellow Chipsters recommend a company
>     they have been happy with or give me any hints as to what to look for
>     / avoid?
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Phil
>     _______________________________________________
>     Chicago mailing list
>     Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From brianherman at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 04:37:45 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 21:37:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <4C5F6429.2060909@threecrickets.com>
References: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimzA3O4iYnoSsXWEBZH_TwYprUs3JZcjwn7fqzd@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4C5F6429.2060909@threecrickets.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8L44=cLTbmqKDwkKj-wL24FuO-wZRAWiDyFiQ@mail.gmail.com>

I personally use http://www.rapidxen.net/
But I have heard good things about linode.

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>wrote:

>  I've had excellent experience with prgmr.com (also Xen-based). As low as
> $5 per month.
>
> -Tal
>
>
> On 08/08/2010 09:06 PM, JongMan Koo wrote:
>
>> Using a VPS (hosted virtual server instances) would be a better choice.
>> Significantly lower price, less hassle.
>>
>> I would highly recommend Linode (www.linode.com <http://www.linode.com>),
>> and I have heard good things about RapidXen (their servers are hosted in
>> Chicago).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> JongMan
>>
>> 2010/8/8 Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com <mailto:
>> verisimilidude at gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>>    A friend with a three person business wants to set up a server for
>>    backups, document sharing, email server, app serving etc. I think a
>>    leased box at a colocation service is a better choice than turning her
>>    closet into a machine room but I have never been involved in
>>    purchasing such.  Can any of my fellow Chipsters recommend a company
>>    they have been happy with or give me any hints as to what to look for
>>    / avoid?
>>
>>    Thanks,
>>
>>    Phil
>>    _______________________________________________
>>    Chicago mailing list
>>    Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>>
>>    http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 05:20:27 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:20:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] P != NP
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdLgGhFtU0R0VJbD=RavsdxtVXYkQ-p4FED2SX@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf<http://www.win.tue.nl/%7Egwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf>
Is there any python math geeks that can shed some light on this.
I know this is important but I don't know why.

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org
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From orblivion at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 05:23:20 2010
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:23:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] P != NP
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdLgGhFtU0R0VJbD=RavsdxtVXYkQ-p4FED2SX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimdLgGhFtU0R0VJbD=RavsdxtVXYkQ-p4FED2SX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdDcbQeKpC4hgjfHrKhGRCQbObqrsjLUv+ytcy@mail.gmail.com>

It should also be stated that (at least from what I've read) this is
nowhere near victory. It has to be reviewed for mistakes, and a lot of
people have claimed to have made a proof in the past. This is
apparently a much more serious attempt, however.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf
> Is there any python math geeks that can shed some light on this.
> I know this is important but I don't know why.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From brianherman at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 05:26:14 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:26:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] P != NP
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdDcbQeKpC4hgjfHrKhGRCQbObqrsjLUv+ytcy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimdLgGhFtU0R0VJbD=RavsdxtVXYkQ-p4FED2SX@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimdDcbQeKpC4hgjfHrKhGRCQbObqrsjLUv+ytcy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ka45zTYjh8k2tiibcSJeHFPBN-9OP86nvMn-i@mail.gmail.com>

I am reading the wikipedia page so no links to that please.

Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Dan Krol <orblivion at gmail.com> wrote:

> It should also be stated that (at least from what I've read) this is
> nowhere near victory. It has to be reviewed for mistakes, and a lot of
> people have claimed to have made a proof in the past. This is
> apparently a much more serious attempt, however.
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > http://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf<http://www.win.tue.nl/%7Egwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf>
> > Is there any python math geeks that can shed some light on this.
> > I know this is important but I don't know why.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Herman
> >
> > brianjherman.com
> > Research Assistant
> > University Of Illinois at Chicago
> > brianherman at acm.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Aug  9 05:46:20 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:46:20 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] P != NP
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdLgGhFtU0R0VJbD=RavsdxtVXYkQ-p4FED2SX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimdLgGhFtU0R0VJbD=RavsdxtVXYkQ-p4FED2SX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimMYcZnHGcX+j089m=WcUtppjt=aCVZSfRZDMRw@mail.gmail.com>

fyi, parent page, for anyone who doesn't want to click on a pdf

http://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP.htm


On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf
> Is there any python math geeks that can shed some light on this.
> I know this is important but I don't know why.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman
>
> brianjherman.com
> Research Assistant
> University Of Illinois at Chicago
> brianherman at acm.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
sheila

From clydeforrester at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 05:56:47 2010
From: clydeforrester at gmail.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 22:56:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] P != NP
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdLgGhFtU0R0VJbD=RavsdxtVXYkQ-p4FED2SX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimdLgGhFtU0R0VJbD=RavsdxtVXYkQ-p4FED2SX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C5F7C7F.4030909@gmail.com>

It has been recently posted on slashdot.org. You might, I say might, see 
some insightful discussion there.

c4

Brian Herman wrote:
> http://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf 
> <http://www.win.tue.nl/%7Egwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf>
> Is there any python math geeks that can shed some light on this.
> I know this is important but I don't know why.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Herman

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 16:55:54 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:55:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Welcome to the Best ChiPy Meeting EVER! Lollapythonlooza
Message-ID: <AANLkTimTz5_P7K2K7g__APDr2eS73+e6zQX-D_5ALOgX@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Python Monsters:

In planning this month's rocking meeting I noticed, despite I huge
buzz factor and a lot of interesting dialog and some not so
interesting :),  we have only one great presentation planned... did I
miss some!? http://chipy.org

Who has something they are working on they want to chat in front of an
attentive crowd for a half hour or so? May I recommend: Jython,
Webware, SQLObject, Reportlab, how to compose emails without being a
troll ... or perhaps something none of us could have imagined.

Please RSVP for the meeting because we may have some sponsorship
opportunities.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA

Also, if any of you were lucky enough to attend last month's meeting
you may wonder how the best meeting ever could possible get even
better?  Come Thursday and find out for yourself!!

Cheers,

Brian Ray

From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug  9 17:02:14 2010
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19552.6262.937229.248253@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Phil> A friend with a three person business wants to set up a server for
    Phil> backups, document sharing, email server, app serving etc....

I (smontanaro.net) am a very satisfied customer of tummy.com.  Sean
Reifschneider, the CTO, is a key player in keeping python.org servers fed
and happy.  If you specifically want something local, my son Chris works as
an admin/developer for a hosting service (gigenet.com) in Arlington Heights.
While I have no personal experience with their services (like I said, I am a
happy tummy user) I can put you in touch with Chris if you like.

-- 
Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.smontanaro.net/

From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Aug  9 17:10:58 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:10:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Welcome to the Best ChiPy Meeting EVER!
	Lollapythonlooza
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimTz5_P7K2K7g__APDr2eS73+e6zQX-D_5ALOgX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimTz5_P7K2K7g__APDr2eS73+e6zQX-D_5ALOgX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6xYNXGWXhLoUpb3QKYwQnnWJQnXHhU_oeMkA8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Who has something they are working on they want to chat in front of an
> attentive crowd for a half hour or so? May I recommend: Jython,
> Webware, SQLObject, Reportlab, how to compose emails without being a
> troll ... or perhaps something none of us could have imagined.

someone could give a lightening talk about p vs np for the heck of it,
and maybe some crypto stuff as an example of what would happen if p =
np. ...since Brian* asked and it's fun to talk about.


* Whom I** am not going to forgive if he has banned coffee from our meetings.
** hey, I program in java. I'm not going to marry it but I'm not
kicking it out on the streets.


-- 
sheila

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 17:25:44 2010
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:25:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Welcome to the Best ChiPy Meeting EVER!
	Lollapythonlooza
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimTz5_P7K2K7g__APDr2eS73+e6zQX-D_5ALOgX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimTz5_P7K2K7g__APDr2eS73+e6zQX-D_5ALOgX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=G_EsmtYsWRTfHm73NN0vWTkbttPP0hiqdPROZ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 09:55, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Python Monsters:
>
> In planning this month's rocking meeting I noticed, despite I huge
> buzz factor and a lot of interesting dialog and some not so
> interesting :),  we have only one great presentation planned... did I
> miss some!? http://chipy.org
>
> Who has something they are working on they want to chat in front of an
> attentive crowd for a half hour or so? May I recommend: Jython,
> Webware, SQLObject, Reportlab, how to compose emails without being a
> troll ... or perhaps something none of us could have imagined.
>
> Please RSVP for the meeting because we may have some sponsorship
> opportunities.
>
> https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA
>
> Also, if any of you were lucky enough to attend last month's meeting
> you may wonder how the best meeting ever could possible get even
> better?  Come Thursday and find out for yourself!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian Ray


If no one else speaks up with a talk, I could do a walk-through of the
Python 3 porting guide I'm writing for the PSF Sprints group. The guide
isn't 100% complete, but if we're looking to fill some space, I could use an
outsider's view on the guide (and what it's missing)...ChiPy scratches my
back, I scratch theirs*.



* While supplies last. Not available in all areas. Cash value 1/100th of one
cent.
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From g at rre.tt  Mon Aug  9 17:45:41 2010
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:45:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdk7-CyorYdXUjgOOcUm2bP0dHDtNHryBNVhXw@mail.gmail.com>

Dedicated "leased" servers are generally pretty expensive (>$100/month).

I've used EC2 "small" servers, which you can down to $30/month (IIRC)
by prepaying for a year. They run Xen and the small instances are
shared - two per "real" server, but they're fine for the light weight
use you're describing.

The benefit of EC2 is that you get full access (i.e. root/admin) to
the server and have your choice of OS/distributions.

I don't have experience with any of the other suggestions here --
perhaps there are cheaper servers that get you a similar package.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com> wrote:
> A friend with a three person business wants to set up a server for
> backups, document sharing, email server, app serving etc. I think a
> leased box at a colocation service is a better choice than turning her
> closet into a machine room but I have never been involved in
> purchasing such. ?Can any of my fellow Chipsters recommend a company
> they have been happy with or give me any hints as to what to look for
> / avoid?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From ed at leafe.com  Mon Aug  9 18:10:19 2010
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:10:19 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdk7-CyorYdXUjgOOcUm2bP0dHDtNHryBNVhXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikdk7-CyorYdXUjgOOcUm2bP0dHDtNHryBNVhXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <323458BE-4CD1-4E0E-8157-20CBC99168DF@leafe.com>

On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Garrett Smith wrote:

> I've used EC2 "small" servers, which you can down to $30/month (IIRC)
> by prepaying for a year. They run Xen and the small instances are
> shared - two per "real" server, but they're fine for the light weight
> use you're describing.
> 
> The benefit of EC2 is that you get full access (i.e. root/admin) to
> the server and have your choice of OS/distributions.
> 
> I don't have experience with any of the other suggestions here --
> perhaps there are cheaper servers that get you a similar package.


	Disclaimer: I work on the Rackspace Cloud Servers team.

	Having said that, I would recommend looking into Rackspace Cloud Servers. Very flexible in terms of distros and sizes. You also only pay for the time that you have the server. I've spun up several to do a load-balancing demo, and then deleted them when I was done, and the total change was under a nickle. ;-)

	http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products/servers


-- Ed Leafe




From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 18:46:27 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdk7-CyorYdXUjgOOcUm2bP0dHDtNHryBNVhXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikdk7-CyorYdXUjgOOcUm2bP0dHDtNHryBNVhXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyrAg=uaSQZt2j+Aj5JJsX7OriU-O=BWKxknoh@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Garrett Smith <g at rre.tt> wrote:
>
> The benefit of EC2 is that you get full access (i.e. root/admin) to
> the server and have your choice of OS/distributions.
>


EC2 is pretty cool and Chris McAvoy (the other ChiPy founder) gave a
talk on how to *stuff* with EC2 like create copies of instances all
with Python at a could computing event. That would be a nice ChiPy
topic, btw.

One thing I like about EC2 is that it can scale when my site gets
slash-dotted (is that a word?) and such.  Backups are also pretty
exact.

The only downfall is when someone has some policies that prevent their
data from being technically on the same physical device as someone
else's data.

-- Brian

From brianhray at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 18:48:08 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:48:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <323458BE-4CD1-4E0E-8157-20CBC99168DF@leafe.com>
References: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikdk7-CyorYdXUjgOOcUm2bP0dHDtNHryBNVhXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<323458BE-4CD1-4E0E-8157-20CBC99168DF@leafe.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikkf0ccGUF6KgF0X2r-9axuD9Bt5MtJLPotR84M@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Ed Leafe <ed at leafe.com> wrote:

>
> ? ? ? ?Disclaimer: I work on the Rackspace Cloud Servers team.
>

> -- Ed Leafe
>
>


Sorry if i am putting you on the spot; however, I was currious if
Rackspace Cloud's have a Python API like the EC2 does?

Do you care giving us a talk on this topic?

-- Brian

From ed at leafe.com  Mon Aug  9 19:51:39 2010
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:51:39 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikkf0ccGUF6KgF0X2r-9axuD9Bt5MtJLPotR84M@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTikdk7-CyorYdXUjgOOcUm2bP0dHDtNHryBNVhXw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Brian Ray wrote:

> Sorry if i am putting you on the spot; however, I was currious if
> Rackspace Cloud's have a Python API like the EC2 does?

	The Python bindings are in development. They would have been ready by now, but we've committed to a major undertaking by moving all of our cloud software into an open source community project: OpenStack.org. We're committing to supporting the OpenStack API once it's finalized.

	http://openstack.org/

> Do you care giving us a talk on this topic?

	Sure, but I'm not in the Chicago area. I've been subscribing to this list since I came out there several years ago to talk about Dabo.


-- Ed Leafe




From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug  9 20:00:40 2010
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
Message-ID: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>


The discussion about colocation and cloud servers got me to wondering about
that technology (again).  Is cloud computing useful for compute-intensive
tasks or is it designed more to address the slashdot phenomenon (quickly
increase the number of outward facing servers as needs arise)?

Can someone point me to some white papers about cloud computing and its
uses?

(Sorry, this is only Python-related in the sense that if clouds turn out to
be good for what I want to do I would run Python programs on them.)

Thx,

Skip

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 20:03:42 2010
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:03:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin=JPHG=TN86ThMy=OtYOwrd6TJU21Q3=WqGbSj@mail.gmail.com>

Cloud Computing is a blanket term. It can mean scalable services you do a
"pay as you use" thing for like S3 or getting private servers for periods of
time like EC2.

My company uses cloudant for CouchDB on the cloud and EC2 for stuff like
performance testing (What happens if 200 clients hit this service at the
same time).



On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:00 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

>
> The discussion about colocation and cloud servers got me to wondering about
> that technology (again).  Is cloud computing useful for compute-intensive
> tasks or is it designed more to address the slashdot phenomenon (quickly
> increase the number of outward facing servers as needs arise)?
>
> Can someone point me to some white papers about cloud computing and its
> uses?
>
> (Sorry, this is only Python-related in the sense that if clouds turn out to
> be good for what I want to do I would run Python programs on them.)
>
> Thx,
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From mtobis at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 20:06:48 2010
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:06:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] P != NP
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http://permut.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/does-pnp/

mt

From samir at esamir.com  Mon Aug  9 20:24:44 2010
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:24:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin=JPHG=TN86ThMy=OtYOwrd6TJU21Q3=WqGbSj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
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I think part of the issue the definition itself.  There's so many
services claiming to be about the "cloud".

It's become such a buzz word that it's tossed around in things that
don't have anything to do with the cloud.

Amazon EC2 is what's usually is meant.  Or similar services.  On the
fly the ability to extend storage, ram, spawn machine, bring them down
etc without investing money in hardware.

http://www.eucalyptus.com/ is a very sweet project that's supposedly
compatible with EC2's api.  I haven't spent much time on it,
but it looks fairly impressive.

--
Samir


On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cloud Computing is a blanket term. It can mean scalable services you do a
> "pay as you use" thing for like S3 or getting private servers for periods of
> time like EC2.
> My company uses cloudant for CouchDB on the cloud and EC2 for stuff like
> performance testing (What happens if 200 clients hit this service at the
> same time).
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:00 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> The discussion about colocation and cloud servers got me to wondering
>> about
>> that technology (again). ?Is cloud computing useful for compute-intensive
>> tasks or is it designed more to address the slashdot phenomenon (quickly
>> increase the number of outward facing servers as needs arise)?
>>
>> Can someone point me to some white papers about cloud computing and its
>> uses?
>>
>> (Sorry, this is only Python-related in the sense that if clouds turn out
>> to
>> be good for what I want to do I would run Python programs on them.)
>>
>> Thx,
>>
>> Skip
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
fortune | cowsay -f /usr/share/cows/tux.cow

From jason at hostedlabs.com  Mon Aug  9 20:32:49 2010
From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:32:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4C6049D1.6000802@hostedlabs.com>

My opinion (for what its worth) is that "the cloud" as the term is used 
today means "instant fork VPS", usually with a programmatic API.

There are very real issues with VPS's as the last 10 years have shown.

VMWare makes tons of money by taking enterprise boxes tha are _way_ 
under-utilized and consolidating them without impacting applications nd 
their run-time.  The hardware consolidation saves lots of money on power 
and maintenance, etc.  This virtualization model works well within the 
enterprise because rarely does a companies intra-net HR timetracking 
site get slashdot-ed.

EC2 and the like are great for what I term "abuse" computing and 
prototyping.  Both use cases dont need compute infrastructure for long 
so its a big win.

You can use EC2 to host a small website that doesn't have any serious 
demands and very little risk associated with its performance or 
availability.  There are two big problems you face after you get out of 
the garage:

1) cost - EC2 on a cost-per-transaction over a period greater than one 
month is in the range of 2x to 4x that of a dedicated server with a 
decent provider.  As your traffic grows the cost disparity grows 
further.  Once you hit your stride you will find that showing up on 
front page of slashdot and digg are marginal impacts and you are paying 
an outrageous amount of money for "scaling" demands that you wont face 
anymore (your scaling gets more predictable, easier to plan for, spikes 
are smaller % of regular traffic, etc.).

2) neighbors - because all the big shops know its great for abuse 
computing, guess how frequently the single PCI bus on that machine 
you're time-sharing with your neighbors gets saturated (CPU and memory 
can get virtualized and shared nicely but storage and network all go 
over same PCI bus and IO, data or network intensive tasks all share it). 
  You can get really tricky with software and overcome some of the 
performance and availability volatility issues but in light of the above 
mentioned costs, why should you?


There is one advantage that EC2 model can _theoretically_ provide (but 
you have to be really smart to design your software and systems 
management routines to actually get the benefit): a small site that gets 
slashdotted and digged and CNNed at the same time.  The unplanned, with 
no notice at all, near-instant scaling many orders of magnitude beyond 
what your normal run-time rate.  There is a clear compelling case for 
having a programmatic API to a service provider that has excess capacity 
on-demand for that use case.


Well, thats my $.02 anyways.. Hope that helps.








On 8/9/10 1:00 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote:
>
> The discussion about colocation and cloud servers got me to wondering about
> that technology (again).  Is cloud computing useful for compute-intensive
> tasks or is it designed more to address the slashdot phenomenon (quickly
> increase the number of outward facing servers as needs arise)?
>
> Can someone point me to some white papers about cloud computing and its
> uses?
>
> (Sorry, this is only Python-related in the sense that if clouds turn out to
> be good for what I want to do I would run Python programs on them.)
>
> Thx,
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Mon Aug  9 20:30:33 2010
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:30:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <E15C1D5E-0572-486B-A65F-B173D71FC80F@cs.depaul.edu>

If you are not interested in web apps (and looks like you are not) you  
may be interested in this:

http://www.picloud.com/


On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:00 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

>
> The discussion about colocation and cloud servers got me to  
> wondering about
> that technology (again).  Is cloud computing useful for compute- 
> intensive
> tasks or is it designed more to address the slashdot phenomenon  
> (quickly
> increase the number of outward facing servers as needs arise)?
>
> Can someone point me to some white papers about cloud computing and  
> its
> uses?
>
> (Sorry, this is only Python-related in the sense that if clouds turn  
> out to
> be good for what I want to do I would run Python programs on them.)
>
> Thx,
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From john at mail.npxdesigns.com  Mon Aug  9 20:41:54 2010
From: john at mail.npxdesigns.com (John Jacobsen)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:41:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 60, Issue 26
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8342.1281378291.1671.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.8342.1281378291.1671.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <B22ECFA1-BFFF-4DD2-8DFD-A9EE66ACAAF9@mail.npxdesigns.com>

> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:48:08 -0500
> From: Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Ed Leafe <ed at leafe.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> ? ? ? ?Disclaimer: I work on the Rackspace Cloud Servers team.
>
> Sorry if i am putting you on the spot; however, I was currious if
> Rackspace Cloud's have a Python API like the EC2 does?

Jacob Kaplan-Moss has written python bindings which have worked for me  
(so far, once RSCloud got my auth issues sorted out):

http://github.com/jacobian/python-cloudservers

So far I have been happy w/ Rackspace Cloud.  IIRC the minimal server  
is $0.015/hr which is about $11/month, cheaper than my current  
SliceHost server and comparable in compute power (RAM, storage, GHz,  
etc).

Jacob and another guy gave a Django Deployment Workshop at OSCON last  
month where they deployed six or so Ubuntu servers on Rackspace Cloud  
(DB, load balancer, app servers, etc.), demoed Fabric for deployment  
(also cool), many other things as well, and then tore everything  
down.  Total cost to them was probably less than $0.50.

John

John Jacobsen http://npxdesigns.com/contact


From ed at leafe.com  Mon Aug  9 20:44:21 2010
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:44:21 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <7B0C9876-2268-4F86-A874-1FED49E972D8@leafe.com>

On Aug 9, 2010, at 2:00 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote:

> The discussion about colocation and cloud servers got me to wondering about
> that technology (again).  Is cloud computing useful for compute-intensive
> tasks or is it designed more to address the slashdot phenomenon (quickly
> increase the number of outward facing servers as needs arise)?


	Those are all valid uses of cloud technology; a better, less buzzword-y term might be 'virtualization'. Servers can be spun up as needed for heavy computation; this is the EC2/NASA model. They can also be provisioned as permanent devices as a replacement for physical servers; that is the Rackspace model. And, of course, you can have everything in between.

	I was talking with some of the NASA developers at the OpenStack conference; a common request for them was to spin up 10,000 servers with a particular image for a particular task, and these servers would exist only a couple of hours until the analysis was done, after which they would be deleted. This would then be repeated for the next scientist who needed to crunch data. 



-- Ed Leafe




From g at rre.tt  Mon Aug  9 20:51:35 2010
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:51:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <7B0C9876-2268-4F86-A874-1FED49E972D8@leafe.com>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<7B0C9876-2268-4F86-A874-1FED49E972D8@leafe.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikYeT6Gy79Fou6oXh_hgGV41PS8-k-=p8geFDJ8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Ed Leafe <ed at leafe.com> wrote:
> On Aug 9, 2010, at 2:00 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote:
>
>> The discussion about colocation and cloud servers got me to wondering about
>> that technology (again). ?Is cloud computing useful for compute-intensive
>> tasks or is it designed more to address the slashdot phenomenon (quickly
>> increase the number of outward facing servers as needs arise)?
>
>
> ? ? ? ?Those are all valid uses of cloud technology; a better, less buzzword-y term might be 'virtualization'. Servers can be spun up as needed for heavy computation; this is the EC2/NASA model. They can also be provisioned as permanent devices as a replacement for physical servers; that is the Rackspace model. And, of course, you can have everything in between.
>
> ? ? ? ?I was talking with some of the NASA developers at the OpenStack conference; a common request for them was to spin up 10,000 servers with a particular image for a particular task, and these servers would exist only a couple of hours until the analysis was done, after which they would be deleted. This would then be repeated for the next scientist who needed to crunch data.

As for the 10K number -- was that on EC2? And did you get the number
of zeros right on that??

From ed at leafe.com  Mon Aug  9 20:55:03 2010
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:55:03 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikYeT6Gy79Fou6oXh_hgGV41PS8-k-=p8geFDJ8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<7B0C9876-2268-4F86-A874-1FED49E972D8@leafe.com>
	<AANLkTikYeT6Gy79Fou6oXh_hgGV41PS8-k-=p8geFDJ8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F2D205C1-B302-4EDF-8F12-FB8D60CFD5FA@leafe.com>

On Aug 9, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Garrett Smith wrote:

> As for the 10K number -- was that on EC2? And did you get the number
> of zeros right on that??


	No, that was on their own cloud platform: Nova, which is the starting point for the OpenStack code base.

	And yes, it was 10,000 instances! NASA deals with very large data sets, it appears. ;-)


-- Ed Leafe




From skip at pobox.com  Mon Aug  9 20:58:23 2010
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:58:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <E15C1D5E-0572-486B-A65F-B173D71FC80F@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
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    Massimo> If you are not interested in web apps (and looks like you are
    Massimo> not) you may be interested in this:

    Massimo> http://www.picloud.com/

You are correct.  I care not one whit about web apps.  I'm interested solely
in single-threaded compute-intensive tasks.  Currently, we run the Torque
batch queuing system on Solaris.  It works fine, though I am constantly
having to scramble to find hardware.  I might have 10 cores available during
the day, 50 at night.  That works well until I'm asked to run 4000 jobs one
day.  Each job can run from a few minutes to several hours.

PiCloud looks interesting except it doesn't seem that your Python functions
can use C or C++ code which is not part of Python proper.  While I write
almost all my software in Python I rely heavily on internal libraries
written in C++ by other groups here at work.

Skip

From g at rre.tt  Mon Aug  9 21:26:07 2010
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:26:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <19552.20431.251439.574699@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<E15C1D5E-0572-486B-A65F-B173D71FC80F@cs.depaul.edu>
	<19552.20431.251439.574699@montanaro.dyndns.org>
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:58 PM,  <skip at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> ? ?Massimo> If you are not interested in web apps (and looks like you are
> ? ?Massimo> not) you may be interested in this:
>
> ? ?Massimo> http://www.picloud.com/
>
> You are correct. ?I care not one whit about web apps. ?I'm interested solely
> in single-threaded compute-intensive tasks. ?Currently, we run the Torque
> batch queuing system on Solaris. ?It works fine, though I am constantly
> having to scramble to find hardware. ?I might have 10 cores available during
> the day, 50 at night. ?That works well until I'm asked to run 4000 jobs one
> day. ?Each job can run from a few minutes to several hours.
>
> PiCloud looks interesting except it doesn't seem that your Python functions
> can use C or C++ code which is not part of Python proper. ?While I write
> almost all my software in Python I rely heavily on internal libraries
> written in C++ by other groups here at work.

This is pretty recent from Amazon...

http://aws.amazon.com/elasticmapreduce/

I'm not actually the Amazon fanboy that I appear to be. But I
impressed with how they've built AWS out over the last few years.

For my own understanding, I parse "cloud" as "no physical
infrastructure". This actually is a big deal, IMO -- not because it's
new (the mainframe business was largely one of leasing compute cycles
and data storage) -- but because fixed costs of using these resources
are getting very close to $0.

Jason's absolutely right -- at a certain point it's more cost
effective to invest in your own infrastructure. Cloud offerings are
generally a little bit cheaper than dedicated hardware but are also *a
lot* less performant. But I've found that companies are willing to put
up with this cost equation for the convenience of changing (or walking
away from) their operations at any time.

I generally recommend:

- Develop and test in a virtualized (i.e. cloud) environment
- When the economics over a multi-year period make sense, convert to a
"real" infrastructure - this is simply a price/performance decision

The cloud providers that can provide a combination of virtual and
real/dedicated hardware -- that is, can simplify the migration from
dev/test/early-production to long term production -- will have a super
compelling value proposition.

Garrett

From g at rre.tt  Mon Aug  9 21:33:28 2010
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:33:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <F2D205C1-B302-4EDF-8F12-FB8D60CFD5FA@leafe.com>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
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	<F2D205C1-B302-4EDF-8F12-FB8D60CFD5FA@leafe.com>
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Ed Leafe <ed at leafe.com> wrote:
> On Aug 9, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Garrett Smith wrote:
>
>> As for the 10K number -- was that on EC2? And did you get the number
>> of zeros right on that??
>
>
> ? ? ? ?No, that was on their own cloud platform: Nova, which is the starting point for the OpenStack code base.
>
> ? ? ? ?And yes, it was 10,000 instances! NASA deals with very large data sets, it appears. ;-)

Finally, something the US government is spending my taxes on that
that's actually pretty cool!

From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Mon Aug  9 21:49:32 2010
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:49:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin1TNQf7s=LRp__n1pJKT9EFEp-1pELWfkMAotn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>	<E15C1D5E-0572-486B-A65F-B173D71FC80F@cs.depaul.edu>	<19552.20431.251439.574699@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<AANLkTin1TNQf7s=LRp__n1pJKT9EFEp-1pELWfkMAotn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C605BCC.3000000@threecrickets.com>

  Hey guys,

We at crowdSPRING are moving our entire Django-based setup to the 
Amazonian cloud. We make good use of EC2, S3, EBS, and RDS (a relatively 
new service). Not only is it vastly cheaper than dedicated services, but 
it allows us astounding scalability.

It's not trivial. We've created a large set of Bash scripts to maintain 
and manage our cloud. For example, a single command can be used to spin 
up a new application node -- but a lot needs to be done: create a node 
and install all packages, have it join our redundant network RAID, join 
our monitoring tools, re-generate configuration files (we use PyTenjin 
for templating here) for our load balancer and front-end cache, restart 
them, etc. The bottom line is that within 2 minutes we have a new node 
behind the load balancer answering user requests. Within a few minutes 
we can double our capacity.

S3 presents it's own challenges -- we've instituted direct uploads to S3 
to bypass Django's standard storage API. Clients thus do not need to 
interact with our app servers in order to upload large files.

If there's interest, we can give a presentation on this, though note 
that there's not a lot that's Python-specific about it.

By the way, I'm surprised the discussion has not mentioned Google App 
Engine at all! I would definitely count that as "cloud," and it's 
absolutely the easiest path to it.

-Tal

On 08/09/2010 02:26 PM, Garrett Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:58 PM,<skip at pobox.com>  wrote:
>>     Massimo>  If you are not interested in web apps (and looks like you are
>>     Massimo>  not) you may be interested in this:
>>
>>     Massimo>  http://www.picloud.com/
>>
>> You are correct.  I care not one whit about web apps.  I'm interested solely
>> in single-threaded compute-intensive tasks.  Currently, we run the Torque
>> batch queuing system on Solaris.  It works fine, though I am constantly
>> having to scramble to find hardware.  I might have 10 cores available during
>> the day, 50 at night.  That works well until I'm asked to run 4000 jobs one
>> day.  Each job can run from a few minutes to several hours.
>>
>> PiCloud looks interesting except it doesn't seem that your Python functions
>> can use C or C++ code which is not part of Python proper.  While I write
>> almost all my software in Python I rely heavily on internal libraries
>> written in C++ by other groups here at work.
> This is pretty recent from Amazon...
>
> http://aws.amazon.com/elasticmapreduce/
>
> I'm not actually the Amazon fanboy that I appear to be. But I
> impressed with how they've built AWS out over the last few years.
>
> For my own understanding, I parse "cloud" as "no physical
> infrastructure". This actually is a big deal, IMO -- not because it's
> new (the mainframe business was largely one of leasing compute cycles
> and data storage) -- but because fixed costs of using these resources
> are getting very close to $0.
>
> Jason's absolutely right -- at a certain point it's more cost
> effective to invest in your own infrastructure. Cloud offerings are
> generally a little bit cheaper than dedicated hardware but are also *a
> lot* less performant. But I've found that companies are willing to put
> up with this cost equation for the convenience of changing (or walking
> away from) their operations at any time.
>
> I generally recommend:
>
> - Develop and test in a virtualized (i.e. cloud) environment
> - When the economics over a multi-year period make sense, convert to a
> "real" infrastructure - this is simply a price/performance decision
>
> The cloud providers that can provide a combination of virtual and
> real/dedicated hardware -- that is, can simplify the migration from
> dev/test/early-production to long term production -- will have a super
> compelling value proposition.
>
> Garrett
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From robkapteyn at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 23:19:21 2010
From: robkapteyn at gmail.com (Rob Kapteyn)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:19:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for leased server colocation (OT)
In-Reply-To: <051D0DAE-C38C-4434-A8AC-C4AD2173F4CC@leafe.com>
References: <AANLkTinC1nD2b2FSA6fGiDbFO3S__Dxh05PYs7J=Mxo6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikdk7-CyorYdXUjgOOcUm2bP0dHDtNHryBNVhXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<323458BE-4CD1-4E0E-8157-20CBC99168DF@leafe.com>
	<AANLkTikkf0ccGUF6KgF0X2r-9axuD9Bt5MtJLPotR84M@mail.gmail.com>
	<051D0DAE-C38C-4434-A8AC-C4AD2173F4CC@leafe.com>
Message-ID: <13521D81-B299-4D4A-B133-CFE3C13E82D5@gmail.com>

I use RapidVPS and Webfaction and haven't had problems with either.

But -- I find it is often very hard to get small business clients to trust everything they have to entirely virtual servers.
They want some degree of physical control.

We know that their data is probably much safer in the cloud, but it is very hard to convince some clients of this.

My compromise is usually a hybrid -- a local physical server backed up with a mirror in the cloud --
setup so that it can mutate into a cloud server backed-up on a local physical server.

I have considered co-location several times myself, but it seems to me that it has the DISADVANTAGES of both approaches --
i.e. -- You are responsible for backup's, hackers, hardware maintenance and upgrades, but you don't have easy physical access to your machine.
On this plus side, co-location gives you security, UPS, fire protection and a fast network connection -- but you get all of that with the cloud too.

There are also legal issues to consider when using the cloud, but small business clients usually don't usually have time or patience to deal with that.

-Rob



On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:

> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Brian Ray wrote:
> 
>> Sorry if i am putting you on the spot; however, I was currious if
>> Rackspace Cloud's have a Python API like the EC2 does?
> 
> 	The Python bindings are in development. They would have been ready by now, but we've committed to a major undertaking by moving all of our cloud software into an open source community project: OpenStack.org. We're committing to supporting the OpenStack API once it's finalized.
> 
> 	http://openstack.org/
> 
>> Do you care giving us a talk on this topic?
> 
> 	Sure, but I'm not in the Chicago area. I've been subscribing to this list since I came out there several years ago to talk about Dabo.
> 
> 
> -- Ed Leafe
> 
> 
> 
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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Tue Aug 10 00:11:32 2010
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <19552.20431.251439.574699@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<E15C1D5E-0572-486B-A65F-B173D71FC80F@cs.depaul.edu>
	<19552.20431.251439.574699@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <7901CF0B-881F-4CD3-A2B2-F6213BE7262F@cs.depaul.edu>

They say they do allow C/C++ functions as long you wrap in modules and  
there is a method for uploading. They can also access a filesystem in  
the cloud with some limitations. I did not try it.

Massimo

On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:58 PM, <skip at pobox.com> wrote:

>
>    Massimo> If you are not interested in web apps (and looks like  
> you are
>    Massimo> not) you may be interested in this:
>
>    Massimo> http://www.picloud.com/
>
> You are correct.  I care not one whit about web apps.  I'm  
> interested solely
> in single-threaded compute-intensive tasks.  Currently, we run the  
> Torque
> batch queuing system on Solaris.  It works fine, though I am  
> constantly
> having to scramble to find hardware.  I might have 10 cores  
> available during
> the day, 50 at night.  That works well until I'm asked to run 4000  
> jobs one
> day.  Each job can run from a few minutes to several hours.
>
> PiCloud looks interesting except it doesn't seem that your Python  
> functions
> can use C or C++ code which is not part of Python proper.  While I  
> write
> almost all my software in Python I rely heavily on internal libraries
> written in C++ by other groups here at work.
>
> Skip
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From pfein at pobox.com  Tue Aug 10 00:14:00 2010
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:14:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] What is cloud computing good for?
In-Reply-To: <19552.20431.251439.574699@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <19552.16968.707688.46753@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<E15C1D5E-0572-486B-A65F-B173D71FC80F@cs.depaul.edu>
	<19552.20431.251439.574699@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <7767798D-0803-49E0-BD7C-2F80FD1C0231@pobox.com>

On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:58 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote:
> You are correct.  I care not one whit about web apps.  I'm interested solely
> in single-threaded compute-intensive tasks.  Currently, we run the Torque
> batch queuing system on Solaris.  It works fine, though I am constantly
> having to scramble to find hardware.  I might have 10 cores available during
> the day, 50 at night.  That works well until I'm asked to run 4000 jobs one
> day.  Each job can run from a few minutes to several hours.

EC2 (or anything on a similar model) would be totally appropriate here - this is the exact type of problem it's designed for. As for bindings, there's also http://cloudsilverlining.org/ (not solid yet).

Skip, if your disk image is the same for all of these jobs, Amazon's excellent command line tools will suffice.  You just push your input data to S3, boot NN nodes w/ the image (multicore boxen are available, fwiw), run your jobs & push the output back to S3.  You can use amazon's Simple Queue Service (SQS) to coordinate task distribution. A SMOP, I'm sure. ;-)

--Pete

From pfein at pobox.com  Tue Aug 10 00:47:16 2010
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:47:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Easy blog with Markdown support?
Message-ID: <A2E46F55-149D-49AE-94A0-C69FD867F24F@pobox.com>

Hiya-

I'm looking to join 2003 and do a little blogging.  I'm looking for something super-simple with Markdown support & syntax highlighting.  I've got a webhost account or could go the hosted route.

On the later front, anyone familiar with http://posterous.com?  Looks like what I'm after...

--Pete

From brianherman at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 01:08:01 2010
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 18:08:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT: Easy blog with Markdown support?
In-Reply-To: <A2E46F55-149D-49AE-94A0-C69FD867F24F@pobox.com>
References: <A2E46F55-149D-49AE-94A0-C69FD867F24F@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=6gfED1uYZNO57t3RvbBMMHHzvCvwFt1yFBXOx@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.movabletype.org/documentation/author/text-formatting.html
Movable type has markdown support.
I know everyone is going to complain that its programmed in perl... oh well.
Thanks,
Brian Herman

brianjherman.com
Research Assistant
University Of Illinois at Chicago
brianherman at acm.org








On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Pete <pfein at pobox.com> wrote:

> Hiya-
>
> I'm looking to join 2003 and do a little blogging.  I'm looking for
> something super-simple with Markdown support & syntax highlighting.  I've
> got a webhost account or could go the hosted route.
>
> On the later front, anyone familiar with http://posterous.com?  Looks like
> what I'm after...
>
> --Pete
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From brianhray at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 15:56:58 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:56:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for 5 panel discussion leaders
Message-ID: <AANLkTikC_zms8PZB2-jKAd3pU=bQzfqPSyL88VomA0u_@mail.gmail.com>

One of our topics will be:

Panel Discussion on, "Defining 'Cloud computing' and how Python relates"

I need 3-5 people who think they can lead a panel discussion during
the ChiPy meeting Thursday.  You should have
'cloud_computing.clue.value > 0'. My thoughts are those of you who
replied to that thread; however, I do want you to commit to actually
being there.  A panel discussion on this topic where the audience can
lead a QA will be perfect for our meeting.  This will be toward the
end of the meeting in case it turns into a drunken brawl.

You will see our official ChiPy announcement in a few minutes.

Beer and Pizza will be provided!      RSVP here
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA

See you there!

-- Brian

From steve.ayers at iww.org  Tue Aug 10 16:12:51 2010
From: steve.ayers at iww.org (Steve Ayers)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:12:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for 5 panel discussion leaders
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikC_zms8PZB2-jKAd3pU=bQzfqPSyL88VomA0u_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikC_zms8PZB2-jKAd3pU=bQzfqPSyL88VomA0u_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C615E63.4010409@iww.org>


I have a background in Linux High Availability Clusters.  Not the same 
as cloud computing, but if you need an extra for the panel I could do that.

Peace,
Steve


On 08/10/2010 08:56 AM, Brian Ray wrote:
> One of our topics will be:
>
> Panel Discussion on, "Defining 'Cloud computing' and how Python relates"
>
> I need 3-5 people who think they can lead a panel discussion during
> the ChiPy meeting Thursday.  You should have
> 'cloud_computing.clue.value>  0'. My thoughts are those of you who
> replied to that thread; however, I do want you to commit to actually
> being there.  A panel discussion on this topic where the audience can
> lead a QA will be perfect for our meeting.  This will be toward the
> end of the meeting in case it turns into a drunken brawl.
>
> You will see our official ChiPy announcement in a few minutes.
>
> Beer and Pizza will be provided!      RSVP here
> https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA
>
> See you there!
>
> -- Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>    


From g at rre.tt  Tue Aug 10 16:24:06 2010
From: g at rre.tt (Garrett Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:24:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Looking for 5 panel discussion leaders
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikgq5nWGxd3UegZr=07G9gGB=WyeRR-LipVtqph@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikC_zms8PZB2-jKAd3pU=bQzfqPSyL88VomA0u_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikgq5nWGxd3UegZr=07G9gGB=WyeRR-LipVtqph@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8UMG8a7uNK+sEbsKuKh_3g8HrYPHDbvSE6eMP@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be there and can pitch in.

On Aug 10, 2010 8:59 AM, "Brian Ray" <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:

One of our topics will be:

Panel Discussion on, "Defining 'Cloud computing' and how Python relates"

I need 3-5 people who think they can lead a panel discussion during
the ChiPy meeting Thursday.  You should have
'cloud_computing.clue.value > 0'. My thoughts are those of you who
replied to that thread; however, I do want you to commit to actually
being there.  A panel discussion on this topic where the audience can
lead a QA will be perfect for our meeting.  This will be toward the
end of the meeting in case it turns into a drunken brawl.

You will see our official ChiPy announcement in a few minutes.

Beer and Pizza will be provided!      RSVP here
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA

See you there!

-- Brian
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From bray at sent.com  Tue Aug 10 16:35:15 2010
From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:35:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: Chicago Python User Group August meeting this
	Thursday 7pm ITA
Message-ID: <1281450915.22772.1389210551@webmail.messagingengine.com>

ChiPy
=====

7 PM Thursday Aug 12, 2010  (This Thursday in the loop)

RSVP here -> 
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA 

Get ready for the best ChiPy meeting ever!  We will head over to ITA in
the loop for this free and informative (not to mention fun and filling)
Chicago Python User Group.  ChiPy newcomer (but not new to Python or
speaking for that matter) Steve Ayers will be leading the show for some
data mining tips. PyGame and Python 3 porting guide overviews to follow.
Finally, we will have a panel discussion that will dispel some of the
Cloud Computing myths and define the term from the Pythonic perspective.

Topics
------

 * (45 min) Data Mining With Python -- Steve Ayers
 * (10 min) Break for Pizza (  Thanks, Paul May & Associates
 http://paulmayassociates.com/ )
 * (15 min) PyWeek competition and PyGame library Example -- Eugenia
 Gabrielova
 * (20 min) Python 3 porting guide walk-through -- Brian Curtin
 * (20+ min) Panel Discussion on, "Defining 'Cloud computing' and how
 Python relates" See ChiPy List for Details
 http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2010-August/thread.html#7033


Location
--------

 Illinois Technology Association (ITA)
 200 S. Wacker Drive
 15th Floor
 Chicago, IL 60606

 312.435.2805
 http://www.illinoistech.org

 Metra: exit on Adams St, walk East across the bridge, first door on the
 right.


Sign Up
-------

RSVP please so we know how much pizza/beer to order: 
  
  https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA 


About the group
---------------
ChiPy is made up of people of all levels of programming and Python
knowledge. At every meeting we have had both beginning programmers,
people who are just starting to use Python, as well as experienced
Python programmers. Don't be intimidated about coming to a meeting.

Note that ChiPy is not a formal organization. We collect no dues,
elect no officers, and keep no roster. Signing up for the mailing list
carries no obligation. Nor does showing up at the meetings. Nor, at
least so far, does anything else we have done, although we always
appreciate it when our presenters show up. (They usually do!)

http://chipy.org
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From d-beazley at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 11 15:49:29 2010
From: d-beazley at sbcglobal.net (David Beazley)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:49:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Advanced Python Mastery - Aug 17-19 - Slot Available!
Message-ID: <2ADABA6B-BC3D-4E5B-93F1-F19353BEC68D@sbcglobal.net>

Chipy,

Due to a last minute cancellation, there is one slot available in my "Advanced Python Mastery" course scheduled for Aug 17-19 (next week).   This is a great course for anyone who wants to know more about some of Python's more advanced features such as metaclasses, decorators, descriptors, context managers, generators, coroutines and more.    Plus, it's being held up in Andersonville where you will find, besides numerous bakeries, abundant free parking.  Further information is available on the registration page here:

      http://www.eventbrite.com/event/619728625

If you are a college student, a discount is available (send me email).

Cheers,
Dave


From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug 12 16:46:31 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Tonight's Meeting
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjic6oDTMd_VHA75bxfiAzHN_ZC--b+QuTwRBv@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like we will have a pretty good turn out tonight. This might be
our best meeting yet.

Be sure to RSVP if you think you might be coming so I have an accurate
head count for Pizza and to reduce complications on entry :)

https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVLOTNTU3oxTzJKYjB3RmV4eVZkMEE6MA

Thanks, Brian Ray

From sams.james at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 16:57:31 2010
From: sams.james at gmail.com (James Sams)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:57:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] HPC in the Cloud
Message-ID: <201008130957.32052.sams.james@gmail.com>

Using 'the cloud' (which cloud?) as a cluster/HPC service came up at last 
night's meeting, and I mentioned, rather vaguely, that Amazon has come up with 
a product to provide that service. While I have no experience with this, I 
thought I'd follow up with more specifics. An HPC EC2 instance is called a 
Cluster Compute Instance (CCI). I know latency was a question some people had: 
It uses 10 GigE instead of InfiniBand, but its performance is still quite good. 
880 instances (7040 cores) clocked in at 41.82 TFLOPS, which would put it at 
146 or so on the TOP500 list. However, I haven't seen any mention of GPU 
access. Here are a few articles on the specifics of what is (and is not) being 
offered, and a link to amazon's page.


-- 
James Sams
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From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Fri Aug 13 19:25:11 2010
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:25:11 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] thx again for the invite to the chipy meeting
Message-ID: <877223730396816@127.0.0.1:NOSSL>

Chipy, 

Just wanted to say , Thx a bunch for inviting me to the party yesterday and the warm hospitality afforded a headhunter ;-)
 I met some great people, had some good conversation and even learned how to search for Craigslist for a variety of strange people ;-)

I still need to catch up with some of you who wanted to get me a resume. I do a great deal of work with a lot of the trading firms who use python scripting, so I could be a good conduit into those companies for some of you too.

I'm happy to sponsor again sometime.

Feel free to call me , shoot me an email or even linkup.

I work open source ( happy to help you out ) but in a SSL way ( confidential ) . My attempt at geek humor ;-)
Have a great weekend everyone.

Paul

v 708.479.1111 
c 312.925.1294
Paul May & Associates (PMA)
paul at paulmayassociates.com 
http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulmayassociates    
http://twitter.com/paulmayassoc 

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From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 19:25:38 2010
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:25:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python 3 porting/dev follow-up links
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==JFLhFHRb0qpG4BfYDAgaLvmmm5Ra0qS7bTtJ@mail.gmail.com>

If my unprepared ramblings got people interested in porting code to Python
3, the guide is located here: http://docs.pythonsprints.com/python3_porting/.
If anyone has experience with porting and has info on a yet-to-be documented
(or under-documented) section of that guide that you wouldn't mind
contributing, I would greatly appreciate it and credit you accordingly (and
throw a beer or two in as well). If anyone takes a look and has any
questions or comments, please do let me know.

Another shameless promotion: http://docs.pythonsprints.com/core_development/ is
the other guide I briefly mentioned and previously presented on.

Part of the plan is that these docs will eventually be moving to
docs.python.org to be more "official" guides, I think.
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From maney at two14.net  Wed Aug 18 04:55:09 2010
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:55:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] "with" considered harmful
Message-ID: <20100818025509.GB1082@furrr.two14.net>


Uhm, well, no, that's not actually what he wrote, exactly, though he
does say this about that:

  Instead, the python people, in recent versions, have introduced the
  "with" statement, which is really just using() with slightly fancier
  semantics.  And that's very sad.  Down that path lies the insanity
  that is .net, with every single object eventually needing to be
  manually "disposable," just in case.

I do think he's got hold of something significant here.  Back in the
almost prehistoric times when C++ was still Bjarne's baby, not yet
grown up and all standardized, he made an interesting observation about
garbage collection (of the non-deterministic sort).  It went something
like this:  What's the point of garbage collection?  It simulates an
infinite memory (in that you can just allocate some, use it, then
forget about it).  And if you actually had infinite memory, you'd
*never* run destructors, because there'd be no reason to waste time
reclaiming unused memory.  So when should you expect a gc
implementation to run destructors?  ...  Yeah, you shouldn't. 
Certainly you couldn't ever count on them.

Interesting article.  Iron Python cannot be a True Python: discuss
amongst yourselves.

  http://apenwarr.ca/log/?m=201008#10

-- 
The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away,
for expedients, and by parts.  -- Edmund Burke


From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Aug 18 18:00:49 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:00:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] python and data mining
Message-ID: <AANLkTik7X_HSFkoE+egGbW07muTHq_icMD991YaSHSRG@mail.gmail.com>

Re the last meeting:

The okcupid blog focuses on data mining, and I'm pretty sure they use
python for parts of the task based on some of the entries I've read
(they've mentioned 'python jams').

I don't have a way to contact the blog writers, despite being curious
about the technical details. I hope at some point they post a
discussion on how they use python &c. for analysing their data.

http://blog.okcupid.com/


-- 
sheila

From brianhray at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 17:22:30 2010
From: brianhray at gmail.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:22:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python RoR Linux ngenx .... in business
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_GMr7kEE8YRz1czFGm6F1JE0dpCJtgaJLga_a@mail.gmail.com>

Hope I am not putting anyone on the spot; however, I see from this
article this local company is making a pretty compelling success
company for *our* flavor of web development (our defined: not java,
not .net ... OO,  open source: platform, frameworks,  and database)

"""
Meet The Fastest Growing Company Ever
Andrew Mason figured out how to inject hysteria into the process of
bargain hunting on the Web. The result is an overnight success story
called Groupon.
By Christopher Steiner

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0830/entrepreneurs-groupon-facebook-twitter-next-web-phenom.html?partner=email
"""

They also seem to have a job listing:

http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/7/4/746bc69886aae5c1d08f6bcbc3b40f01 at endecaindex&c=1&source=21&cid=simplyhired

Not that anyone on this list is looking and would not send their
resume to our headhunter poparotsy first; however just in case :)

I am not going to pick on what specific configuration they use or
anything; however, I would like to take note of things that say
something to the (how do I phrase) man upstairs that does not tie
itself to a really large closed source web framework.+1 for Python +1
for Chicago business... but who is keeping score?

Cheers, Brian Ray

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 17:56:36 2010
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:56:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python RoR Linux ngenx .... in business
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=_GMr7kEE8YRz1czFGm6F1JE0dpCJtgaJLga_a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=_GMr7kEE8YRz1czFGm6F1JE0dpCJtgaJLga_a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=4LL5bfXUm5CDxcBs0pnZ0yxM5Y1xcTnOk+X-1@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like Groupon is written all in Ruby on Rails.  They probably
are listing Python experience in the job ad simply because Python devs
can learn Rails pretty easily.

Groupon is genius but evil genius.  Hah.  It's pretty clever.  You
have three players: the vendor, the consumer, and Groupon.  Who wins?
They all do but Groupon wins the most!  The consumers get tricked into
coupons they don't need and might never use, the vendor takes a hit on
revenue in the hope that volume will drive future sales and not
cripple their operation, and Groupon just simply wins -- it gets 50%
of the revenue once a deal tips (which happens 98% of the time).
Groupon is a money tree in the middle of all that doing nothing but
using out of work improv comedy actors to lure in unsuspecting
vendors.  Crazy.

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hope I am not putting anyone on the spot; however, I see from this
> article this local company is making a pretty compelling success
> company for *our* flavor of web development (our defined: not java,
> not .net ... OO, ?open source: platform, frameworks, ?and database)
>
> """
> Meet The Fastest Growing Company Ever
> Andrew Mason figured out how to inject hysteria into the process of
> bargain hunting on the Web. The result is an overnight success story
> called Groupon.
> By Christopher Steiner
>
> http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0830/entrepreneurs-groupon-facebook-twitter-next-web-phenom.html?partner=email
> """
>
> They also seem to have a job listing:
>
> http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/7/4/746bc69886aae5c1d08f6bcbc3b40f01 at endecaindex&c=1&source=21&cid=simplyhired
>
> Not that anyone on this list is looking and would not send their
> resume to our headhunter poparotsy first; however just in case :)
>
> I am not going to pick on what specific configuration they use or
> anything; however, I would like to take note of things that say
> something to the (how do I phrase) man upstairs that does not tie
> itself to a really large closed source web framework.+1 for Python +1
> for Chicago business... but who is keeping score?
>
> Cheers, Brian Ray
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From mandric at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 20:06:14 2010
From: mandric at gmail.com (Milan Andric)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:06:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python RoR Linux ngenx .... in business
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=4LL5bfXUm5CDxcBs0pnZ0yxM5Y1xcTnOk+X-1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=_GMr7kEE8YRz1czFGm6F1JE0dpCJtgaJLga_a@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=4LL5bfXUm5CDxcBs0pnZ0yxM5Y1xcTnOk+X-1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik=8e67o7v2zF3TkKH82kODpYrZ2cx0SEJtPb8d@mail.gmail.com>

There was an interesting story in the Tribune a few days ago in case
you're interested about Groupon:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-08-16/business/ct-biz-0816-groupon-20100816_1_groupon-businesses-chairs


On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Kumar McMillan
<kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> It looks like Groupon is written all in Ruby on Rails. ?They probably
> are listing Python experience in the job ad simply because Python devs
> can learn Rails pretty easily.
>
> Groupon is genius but evil genius. ?Hah. ?It's pretty clever. ?You
> have three players: the vendor, the consumer, and Groupon. ?Who wins?
> They all do but Groupon wins the most! ?The consumers get tricked into
> coupons they don't need and might never use, the vendor takes a hit on
> revenue in the hope that volume will drive future sales and not
> cripple their operation, and Groupon just simply wins -- it gets 50%
> of the revenue once a deal tips (which happens 98% of the time).
> Groupon is a money tree in the middle of all that doing nothing but
> using out of work improv comedy actors to lure in unsuspecting
> vendors. ?Crazy.
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Brian Ray <brianhray at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hope I am not putting anyone on the spot; however, I see from this
>> article this local company is making a pretty compelling success
>> company for *our* flavor of web development (our defined: not java,
>> not .net ... OO, ?open source: platform, frameworks, ?and database)
>>
>> """
>> Meet The Fastest Growing Company Ever
>> Andrew Mason figured out how to inject hysteria into the process of
>> bargain hunting on the Web. The result is an overnight success story
>> called Groupon.
>> By Christopher Steiner
>>
>> http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0830/entrepreneurs-groupon-facebook-twitter-next-web-phenom.html?partner=email
>> """
>>
>> They also seem to have a job listing:
>>
>> http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/7/4/746bc69886aae5c1d08f6bcbc3b40f01 at endecaindex&c=1&source=21&cid=simplyhired
>>
>> Not that anyone on this list is looking and would not send their
>> resume to our headhunter poparotsy first; however just in case :)
>>
>> I am not going to pick on what specific configuration they use or
>> anything; however, I would like to take note of things that say
>> something to the (how do I phrase) man upstairs that does not tie
>> itself to a really large closed source web framework.+1 for Python +1
>> for Chicago business... but who is keeping score?
>>
>> Cheers, Brian Ray
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From shekay at pobox.com  Fri Aug 20 20:36:50 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:36:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] it's alive! in python
Message-ID: <AANLkTik4-M=175JCj9TLP+Bsbj85n5ts8w3d3k7n5-eh@mail.gmail.com>

http://ask.metafilter.com/162822/Its-ALIVE-and-it-thinks-coding-DNA-and-Neural-Nets-for-fun

Someone there would like to use python to learn a little about neural
networks and such.

-- 
sheila

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 22:31:09 2010
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:31:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyWeek?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikpgTJO=JXsz_AdVFhtVeppJ35HwQ6Rp=k8qYwL@mail.gmail.com>

Sheila's email reminded me that the PyWeek game challenge is underway.
 Is anyone doing this?  Just curious.  I missed the meeting where it
looks like someone presented a PyWeek example.
http://www.pyweek.org/

I've always wanted to but alas probably won't ever find the time.

From rich at mossltd.com  Tue Aug 17 18:11:55 2010
From: rich at mossltd.com (Richard Moss)
Date: 17 Aug 2010 12:11:55 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Position: Python Developer - HFT Trading firm - Chicago,
	IL
Message-ID: <1389760127.1282061514808.JavaMail.cfservice@sl1app1>



Python Developer - HFT Trading firm - Chicago, IL
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Requires: 

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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 07:51:25 2010
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:51:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Opinions on Tryton?
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3RjT+A4u986K8+3Zq-a3TMNHMM7OgcJEOArkY@mail.gmail.com>

My boss has taken an interest in Tryton  and after a quick perusal of the
docs it seems pretty freakin cool.  Does anyone have any horror stories,
tales of epic adventure, sage advice?
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From paul at paulmayassociates.com  Tue Aug 24 07:59:08 2010
From: paul at paulmayassociates.com (Paul May)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 5:59:08 -0000
Subject: [Chicago] Python Developer role, Deerfield Il
Message-ID: <284337057238457@127.0.0.1:NOSSL>

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From shekay at pobox.com  Thu Aug 26 16:29:45 2010
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 09:29:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] hacks/hackers event i.e. journalists and programmers
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmb10GXN=5jHkLsy3OAMqaikTc01WeXW+O1nKX@mail.gmail.com>

Some of you might be interested in this.

http://meetupchicago.hackshackers.com/calendar/14512445/?eventId=14512445&action=detail

"""
Hacks/Hackers is booting up its Chicago Chapter on Wednesday, Sept 15
from 6-8 p.m. at the Holiday Club (4000 N Sheridan Road). Meet up,
geek out, and enjoy complimentary food and beverages with programmers,
journalists and others in Chicago?s media and tech communities who
want to explore and strengthen the connections between technology and
journalism.
"""

September 15th 6pm.

-- 
sheila