From bray at sent.com  Sat Oct  3 17:41:40 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:41:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
Message-ID: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>

The opportunity for this month is wide open :) Venue also!

I have been playing with the idea of a Django-specific meeting.  We  
seemed to do a good job at not being solely web oriented lately;  
however, I also see where this would be a good topic for us.   I did  
contact one of the major Django Chicago people to see if they want to  
present sometime soon.

Alternative, Tornado would be a good topic. Benchmarking also.... Like  
I said, at this point it is wide open.

One note on one of the goals of this group: we really need to revisit  
the idea of presenting on something language specific each meeting.   
It would be good if we have a 15 minute overview of any language  
feature, one at a time:

   * generators
   * coroutines
   * closures
   * metaclasses
   * copy.copy
   * decorators
   * list comprehension
   * operator overloading
   * multiple inheritance
   * stings
   * types
   * static methods
   * exception handling
   * lambdas
   * keyword arguments
   * doc strings
   * reflection

... the point here is that we need not to forget the language  
features.  There has always been an interest in frameworks, tools,  
etc.. and that should still be the main focus; however, I recall that  
some of our best meetings in the past were about the language itself.  
Does anyone one to take one of these for 15-20 minutes at our next  
meeting?  First come, first serve.

Oh yeah, do we want to find a venue? Any suggestions. I was almost  
thinking a school might be appropriate; however, perhaps harder to  
book at this late date.

Brian Ray




From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 20:44:25 2009
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:44:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
Message-ID: <74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>

I'm new on the list. I haven't been to a ChiPy meeting yet, but I do
wanna go to one.

I'm also a member of Pumping Station: One, the new hackerspace in
Chicago. We can host events at our place, at 3354 N. Elston. There's
lots of interest in Python around PS1. I'm sure some of our members
would love to come to a ChiPy meeting. Having one at the space would
be an interesting meeting of organizations.

For more about us, look at

http://pumpingstationone.org/

How big are meetings? What all do you need?

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
> The opportunity for this month is wide open :) Venue also!
>
> I have been playing with the idea of a Django-specific meeting. ?We seemed
> to do a good job at not being solely web oriented lately; however, I also
> see where this would be a good topic for us. ? I did contact one of the
> major Django Chicago people to see if they want to present sometime soon.
>
> Alternative, Tornado would be a good topic. Benchmarking also.... Like I
> said, at this point it is wide open.
>
> One note on one of the goals of this group: we really need to revisit the
> idea of presenting on something language specific each meeting. ?It would be
> good if we have a 15 minute overview of any language feature, one at a time:
>
> ?* generators
> ?* coroutines
> ?* closures
> ?* metaclasses
> ?* copy.copy
> ?* decorators
> ?* list comprehension
> ?* operator overloading
> ?* multiple inheritance
> ?* stings
> ?* types
> ?* static methods
> ?* exception handling
> ?* lambdas
> ?* keyword arguments
> ?* doc strings
> ?* reflection
>
> ... the point here is that we need not to forget the language features.
> ?There has always been an interest in frameworks, tools, etc.. and that
> should still be the main focus; however, I recall that some of our best
> meetings in the past were about the language itself. Does anyone one to take
> one of these for 15-20 minutes at our next meeting? ?First come, first
> serve.
>
> Oh yeah, do we want to find a venue? Any suggestions. I was almost thinking
> a school might be appropriate; however, perhaps harder to book at this late
> date.
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From bray at sent.com  Sun Oct  4 00:20:32 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:20:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B06BDCE-89BA-4963-89FB-5E6D6D577B1F@sent.com>


On Oct 3, 2009, at 1:44 PM, John Stoner wrote:

>
> How big are meetings? What all do you need?

So you want to host a chipy meeting, eh? I would anticipate 30-40 on  
next Thursday.  Could be more if someone big decides to drop in.  We  
need a projector and a place to project on :}  Food and Beer donations  
will not be refused.

Hosting a ChiPy meeting is always a cool thing, thanks!  It will give  
you a warm and fuzzy feeling

Brian Ray




From bray at sent.com  Sun Oct  4 00:23:23 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:23:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <3B06BDCE-89BA-4963-89FB-5E6D6D577B1F@sent.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B06BDCE-89BA-4963-89FB-5E6D6D577B1F@sent.com>
Message-ID: <6CC49A32-6B3A-4BFD-AFCD-A3551A6FCC67@sent.com>


>>
>> =eetings? What all do you need?
>
> So you want to host a chipy meeting, eh? I would anticipate 30-40 on  
> next Thursday.  Could be more if someone big decides to drop in.  We  
> need a projector and a place to project on :}  Food and Beer  
> donations will not be refused.


... oh yeah, WIFI is a plus.

This is going to be our best meeting ever. Thanks!

Brian Ray




From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 01:01:13 2009
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:01:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <6CC49A32-6B3A-4BFD-AFCD-A3551A6FCC67@sent.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B06BDCE-89BA-4963-89FB-5E6D6D577B1F@sent.com>
	<6CC49A32-6B3A-4BFD-AFCD-A3551A6FCC67@sent.com>
Message-ID: <74ee3f2b0910031601t2005e523l93a7956abfb0db4@mail.gmail.com>

All that shouldn't be a problem. I'm at the space now, and I just
walked around and counted seats, and we have 35. 10 or so more should
be easy to provide. More is possible, but if 'someone big decides to
drop in,' we'll probably need some warning.  We have wifi. we can get
a projector, we have big white walls that work well for projecting.

We also have lots of other stuff: servers, a drill press, a forge,
soldering irons, a sewing/crafting area, a couple RepRaps(3d printers)
in various stages of construction... we can make just about anything
you want. A tour after your meeting will probably be in order.

Just so's we're clear, are we talking Thursday the 8th? 7pm?

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> =eetings? What all do you need?
>>
>> So you want to host a chipy meeting, eh? I would anticipate 30-40 on next
>> Thursday. ?Could be more if someone big decides to drop in. ?We need a
>> projector and a place to project on :} ?Food and Beer donations will not be
>> refused.
>
>
> ... oh yeah, WIFI is a plus.
>
> This is going to be our best meeting ever. Thanks!
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From ccf3 at mindspring.com  Sun Oct  4 01:19:00 2009
From: ccf3 at mindspring.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:19:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <74ee3f2b0910031601t2005e523l93a7956abfb0db4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>	<74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>	<3B06BDCE-89BA-4963-89FB-5E6D6D577B1F@sent.com>	<6CC49A32-6B3A-4BFD-AFCD-A3551A6FCC67@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031601t2005e523l93a7956abfb0db4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC7DBE4.8010306@mindspring.com>

Parking? Transportation? (Blue Line. Right?)

John Stoner wrote:
> All that shouldn't be a problem. I'm at the space now, and I just
> walked around and counted seats, and we have 35. 10 or so more should
> be easy to provide. More is possible, but if 'someone big decides to
> drop in,' we'll probably need some warning.  We have wifi. we can get
> a projector, we have big white walls that work well for projecting.
>
> We also have lots of other stuff: servers, a drill press, a forge,
> soldering irons, a sewing/crafting area, a couple RepRaps(3d printers)
> in various stages of construction... we can make just about anything
> you want. A tour after your meeting will probably be in order.
>
> Just so's we're clear, are we talking Thursday the 8th? 7pm?
>   


From bray at sent.com  Sun Oct  4 01:29:27 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:29:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <74ee3f2b0910031601t2005e523l93a7956abfb0db4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B06BDCE-89BA-4963-89FB-5E6D6D577B1F@sent.com>
	<6CC49A32-6B3A-4BFD-AFCD-A3551A6FCC67@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031601t2005e523l93a7956abfb0db4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90D306CC-0B68-43C7-9B81-D9430C83EFD5@sent.com>

Yes, our meetings are the second Thursday at 7pm.

Unless, I hear any objections, let's call you the host for Thursday's  
meeting.

John: as the host, could you please fill out details on our wiki http://chipy.org 
  It comes better from the horses mouth instead of his... as soon as  
we get the details filled out I will email an invite to the masses. If  
there are any groups you want me to add to that list, let me know.

This is going to be really great, I can't wait.

On Oct 3, 2009, at 6:01 PM, John Stoner wrote:

> Just so's we're clear, are we talking Thursday the 8th? 7pm?

Brian Ray




From bray at sent.com  Sun Oct  4 01:42:33 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:42:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
Message-ID: <D0FDA8DB-67BB-46B0-852B-33E26B3B8920@sent.com>

Here's calling all interested parties who want to present on next  
Thursday.  I know you guys are all sitting inside right now hiding  
from the rain. Let's make this the most amazing meeting ever....  
Topics Topics Topics!!!


On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Brian Ray wrote:

> I have been playing with the idea of a Django-specific meeting.  We  
> seemed to do a good job at not being solely web oriented lately;  
> however, I also see where this would be a good topic for us.   I did  
> contact one of the major Django Chicago people to see if they want  
> to present sometime soon.
>
> Alternative, Tornado would be a good topic. Benchmarking also....  
> Like I said, at this point it is wide open.
>
> One note on one of the goals of this group: we really need to  
> revisit the idea of presenting on something language specific each  
> meeting.  It would be good if we have a 15 minute overview of any  
> language feature, one at a time:
>
>  * generators
>  * coroutines
>  * closures
>  * metaclasses
>  * copy.copy
>  * decorators
>  * list comprehension
>  * operator overloading
>  * multiple inheritance
>  * stings
>  * types
>  * static methods
>  * exception handling
>  * lambdas
>  * keyword arguments
>  * doc strings
>  * reflection

Brian Ray




From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 01:49:44 2009
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:49:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <4AC7DBE4.8010306@mindspring.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B06BDCE-89BA-4963-89FB-5E6D6D577B1F@sent.com>
	<6CC49A32-6B3A-4BFD-AFCD-A3551A6FCC67@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031601t2005e523l93a7956abfb0db4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC7DBE4.8010306@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <74ee3f2b0910031649me6d165eicb51b063e2cde864@mail.gmail.com>

Street parking is not bad in this area. Elston has no meters close to
here, and it's somewhat industrial, so it's not hard to find a spot
after working hours. Bikes come in the back of the building. The Blue
Line Belmont stop is about six blocks away. The Belmont 77 bus is a
couple blocks away, get off at Sacramento.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Clyde Forrester <ccf3 at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Parking? Transportation? (Blue Line. Right?)
>
> John Stoner wrote:
>>
>> All that shouldn't be a problem. I'm at the space now, and I just
>> walked around and counted seats, and we have 35. 10 or so more should
>> be easy to provide. More is possible, but if 'someone big decides to
>> drop in,' we'll probably need some warning. ?We have wifi. we can get
>> a projector, we have big white walls that work well for projecting.
>>
>> We also have lots of other stuff: servers, a drill press, a forge,
>> soldering irons, a sewing/crafting area, a couple RepRaps(3d printers)
>> in various stages of construction... we can make just about anything
>> you want. A tour after your meeting will probably be in order.
>>
>> Just so's we're clear, are we talking Thursday the 8th? 7pm?
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 02:05:49 2009
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:05:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <90D306CC-0B68-43C7-9B81-D9430C83EFD5@sent.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B06BDCE-89BA-4963-89FB-5E6D6D577B1F@sent.com>
	<6CC49A32-6B3A-4BFD-AFCD-A3551A6FCC67@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031601t2005e523l93a7956abfb0db4@mail.gmail.com>
	<90D306CC-0B68-43C7-9B81-D9430C83EFD5@sent.com>
Message-ID: <74ee3f2b0910031705w39fca708k918df33d96200820@mail.gmail.com>

wiki updated... food options are not planned at this point. PS1 is a
non-profit member supported hackerspace... I'll invite people to cook,
bring beer, or whatever, but no promises.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
> Yes, our meetings are the second Thursday at 7pm.
>
> Unless, I hear any objections, let's call you the host for Thursday's
> meeting.
>
> John: as the host, could you please fill out details on our wiki
> http://chipy.org?It comes better from the horses mouth instead of his... as
> soon as we get the details filled out I will email an invite to the masses.
> If there are any groups you want me to add to that list, let me know.
>
> This is going to be really great, I can't wait.
>
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 6:01 PM, John Stoner wrote:
>
>> Just so's we're clear, are we talking Thursday the 8th? 7pm?
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 02:47:00 2009
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:47:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <74ee3f2b0910031705w39fca708k918df33d96200820@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B06BDCE-89BA-4963-89FB-5E6D6D577B1F@sent.com>
	<6CC49A32-6B3A-4BFD-AFCD-A3551A6FCC67@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031601t2005e523l93a7956abfb0db4@mail.gmail.com>
	<90D306CC-0B68-43C7-9B81-D9430C83EFD5@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031705w39fca708k918df33d96200820@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74ee3f2b0910031747y4c2a95d3ve2969725d7c3ab55@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, also, we have weekly meeting Tuesdays, including this Tuesday at
8. If anyone wants to come scout the place out and meet folks, Tuesday
would be a good evening to do that.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:05 PM, John Stoner <johnstoner2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> wiki updated... food options are not planned at this point. PS1 is a
> non-profit member supported hackerspace... I'll invite people to cook,
> bring beer, or whatever, but no promises.
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>> Yes, our meetings are the second Thursday at 7pm.
>>
>> Unless, I hear any objections, let's call you the host for Thursday's
>> meeting.
>>
>> John: as the host, could you please fill out details on our wiki
>> http://chipy.org?It comes better from the horses mouth instead of his... as
>> soon as we get the details filled out I will email an invite to the masses.
>> If there are any groups you want me to add to that list, let me know.
>>
>> This is going to be really great, I can't wait.
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 6:01 PM, John Stoner wrote:
>>
>>> Just so's we're clear, are we talking Thursday the 8th? 7pm?
>>
>> Brian Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> blogs:
> http://www.generosity.org/stoner/
> http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
> 'In knowledge is power; in ?wisdom, humility.'
>



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From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 06:02:48 2009
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:02:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Planning Time
In-Reply-To: <74ee3f2b0910031747y4c2a95d3ve2969725d7c3ab55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BE99B765-3E57-4643-AE5D-994B3E3FA78A@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031144s7708d831h231a58bc1c4bb0bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B06BDCE-89BA-4963-89FB-5E6D6D577B1F@sent.com>
	<6CC49A32-6B3A-4BFD-AFCD-A3551A6FCC67@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031601t2005e523l93a7956abfb0db4@mail.gmail.com>
	<90D306CC-0B68-43C7-9B81-D9430C83EFD5@sent.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031705w39fca708k918df33d96200820@mail.gmail.com>
	<74ee3f2b0910031747y4c2a95d3ve2969725d7c3ab55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74ee3f2b0910032102i759f46d1p48c5e259f45b27cb@mail.gmail.com>

One other thing: we require everyone who enters our space to sign a
waiver. It's very short, no small print. We do have hazardous
equipment on site, like a drill press, a small forge, welding
equipment, stuff you could injure yourself with if you do something
dumb. We just need it to be clear that folks are responsible for their
own safety, for the sake of our liability.

We'll make sure it's efficiently handled. It shouldn't take any longer
than signing in to a secure building.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:47 PM, John Stoner <johnstoner2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, also, we have weekly meeting Tuesdays, including this Tuesday at
> 8. If anyone wants to come scout the place out and meet folks, Tuesday
> would be a good evening to do that.
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:05 PM, John Stoner <johnstoner2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> wiki updated... food options are not planned at this point. PS1 is a
>> non-profit member supported hackerspace... I'll invite people to cook,
>> bring beer, or whatever, but no promises.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>>> Yes, our meetings are the second Thursday at 7pm.
>>>
>>> Unless, I hear any objections, let's call you the host for Thursday's
>>> meeting.
>>>
>>> John: as the host, could you please fill out details on our wiki
>>> http://chipy.org?It comes better from the horses mouth instead of his... as
>>> soon as we get the details filled out I will email an invite to the masses.
>>> If there are any groups you want me to add to that list, let me know.
>>>
>>> This is going to be really great, I can't wait.
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 6:01 PM, John Stoner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just so's we're clear, are we talking Thursday the 8th? 7pm?
>>>
>>> Brian Ray
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> blogs:
>> http://www.generosity.org/stoner/
>> http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
>> 'In knowledge is power; in ?wisdom, humility.'
>>
>
>
>
> --
> blogs:
> http://www.generosity.org/stoner/
> http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
> 'In knowledge is power; in ?wisdom, humility.'
>



-- 
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http://www.generosity.org/stoner/
http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
'In knowledge is power; in  wisdom, humility.'

From mtemkin at speakeasy.net  Sun Oct  4 06:26:49 2009
From: mtemkin at speakeasy.net (Marc Temkin)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:26:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ACM/Loyola CS Special Event
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3509.1254628969.2806.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.3509.1254628969.2806.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <09267EBE36594905B3E29BA08980CD14@Dreamcatcher2>

Brian, 
I think many of your audience will find the event below interesting. I hope
you can distribute this info on the Chipy list.

Thanks,

Marc Temkin
Chicago ACM



A meeting sponsored by the
Loyola University Computer Science Department
Speaker:  Maria Klawe  (ACM Distinguished Speaker)
"Serious Games" 
Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009
4:00 - 5:30 pm
Lake Shore Campus

Life Sciences Building Auditorium (Room LSB-142)

(Northwest Corner of N. Kenmore and W. Sheridan)

Admission: Free (General Admission, No Reserved Seats) However, Please RSVP
on the Chicago ACM website (chicagoacm.org) for this event to best help our
group with upcoming joint ACM/Loyola University events
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Ever since video games first invaded pinball arcades, there has been a
parallel development in creating games for job training and education. These
serious games use the same graphics, audio, and game design players expect
in games like Warcraft, the Sims and Half-Life. But in these games players
reach new levels during military training, while learning mathematics and
exploring the sciences. And funds for developers come from the government,
military, research foundations and commercial investors.

This talk describes a variety of current serious game projects including
Senior Prom, a version of Dance Dance Revolution for elders, and web-based
math games for K-12.


About the Speaker

Maria Klawe is President of Harvey Mudd College (2006) and former Dean of
Engineering at Princeton University.


She has made significant contributions to functional analysis, discrete
mathematics, and theoretical computer science in her work at IBM Research
and academia. Her current interests include interactive and multimedia
interfaces in mathematics education, serious games and assistive
technologies.


She has led research studies, projects and served on boards to further her
lifelong passion to increase the participation of women and other
under-represented groups in science, engineering and especially computer
science


Maria has been President of ACM, Trustee of the Mathematical Sciences
Research Institute at Berkeley, and has been a member of the boards of Math
for America, CRA-W and Microsoft. She is an ACM Fellow, a PhD in Mathematics
from the Univ. of Alberta and has been awarded several honorary doctorates.

Addtional information: An article about Maria Klawe



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QVWVfMEtSazZPM0FacXc6MA

Click here to Reserve for Tuesday, Oct 27  now
or send an e-mail to greg at neumarke.net or call Greg at 773-907-3308 (work)


From bray at sent.com  Tue Oct  6 16:24:43 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:24:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Topics for Thursday
Message-ID: <F108E7DC-7F49-423D-8E37-D0FADBE614CD@sent.com>


We have a great venue. A lot of you have already told me you would be  
there. However, we really need a super start presentation.  On the  
other hand, a series of lighting talks would be equally interesting.

Any thoughts?

Brian Ray




From khristine at klanderson.com  Tue Oct  6 21:48:51 2009
From: khristine at klanderson.com (Khristine Anderson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:48:51 -0700
Subject: [Chicago] UI Engineer - Philadelphia, PA
Message-ID: <29666CB5E15B4F0AB694764867EB54DA@KhristinePC>

UI Engineer - Philadelphia, PA

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This exciting company offers unique benefits such as equity for all core
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Work closely with the entire engineering team building the core ad-serving
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Are given problems to solve, not solutions invented by someone else
Pick what features they want to do from a product backlog (and also add
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3+ years HTML + Javascript
3+ years OO design and implementation
2+ years Python, Ruby, PHP, or other language used in Web Development
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Experience with Subversion
A love for clean and maintainable code
A love for learning and tinkering with new things

The ideal candidate should have experience with...
jQuery, Dojo, mooTools, or other commonly used javascript frameworks
Django, Pylons, webapp, web2py, TurboGears, or other Python web frameworks
Git, Mercurial, or other source management tools
Contributing to open source software projects
Amazon Web Services (mainly S3)
Lots and lots of APIs (both writing and using)
Startups and the fast paced environments they bring with them

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-your resume
-salary requirement or history
-relocation considerations (if any)
-work authorization (i.e. green card holder, H1B, citizen, etc)
-two or three sentence cover note stating why you are ideal for this
position


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www.klanderson.com
khristine at klanderson.com


From bray at sent.com  Wed Oct  7 23:06:07 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:06:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy October Meeting and Social meetup this Thursday at
	7pm
Message-ID: <BE2E2C5A-2D5D-4161-AA7F-85D012B17506@sent.com>

Chicago Python User Group
=========================

This month meeting will be a social meet up open house. We will offer  
a tutor session where small groups will help answer questions or show  
each other language features.

This will be a very casual meeting without a formal presentation.  
There may be some lighting talks, games, or sprints--whatever we feel  
like. Nonetheless, this will be a good time to get out of your  
cubical, garage, basement, coffee shop, bike, office, and hang out  
with really great group of Python enthusiasts.  How often to do you  
get to ask questions one-on-one with doctors, scientists, hackers, and  
general pythonic people in an open and friendly setting?

See you there... this will be the best meeting ever. Thanks in advance  
to our new venue hosts:  Pumping Station: One


When
----

Thursday 7:00pm October 8th 2009


Location
--------

  * Pumping Station: One
  * `3354 N. Elston <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&geocode=&q=3354+N.+Elston,+Chicago,+IL&sll=41.942494,-87.702806&sspn=0.007422,0.019312&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=3354+N+Elston+Ave,+Chicago,+Illinois+60618&ll=41.944106,-87.703514&spn=0.033516,0.049953&z=14 
 >`_, come in the red door
  * food plans are currently being made, local options include Chief  
O'Neill's, Kuma's, Square...
  * RSVP to johnstoner2 ((at the domain)) gmail ((dot)) com


About ChiPy
-----------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce 
 >
Python website: <http://python.org>

From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Thu Oct  8 18:57:22 2009
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:57:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy October Meeting and Social meetup this Thursday
	at 7pm
In-Reply-To: <BE2E2C5A-2D5D-4161-AA7F-85D012B17506@sent.com> (Brian Ray's
	message of "Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:06:07 -0500")
References: <BE2E2C5A-2D5D-4161-AA7F-85D012B17506@sent.com>
Message-ID: <874oq9zuvh.fsf@dustycloud.org>

I guess I'm going to give a talk on python in the upcoming Blender 2.5
release.  It'll be pretty unprepared, but it's getting pretty interesting.

Also, Blender 2.5 is the first app I know of that *requires* Python
3.X.  So that's pretty interesting on its own.  But there's plenty more
interesting stuff to discuss.

It's going to be mostly an overview talk.  Blender's python integration
could possibly span 3 separate talks, especially considering the blender
game engine's use of it, which is a seaparate but interesting talk.

Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> writes:

> Chicago Python User Group
> =========================
>
> This month meeting will be a social meet up open house. We will offer
> a tutor session where small groups will help answer questions or show
> each other language features.
>
> This will be a very casual meeting without a formal
> presentation. There may be some lighting talks, games, or
> sprints--whatever we feel  like. Nonetheless, this will be a good time
> to get out of your  cubical, garage, basement, coffee shop, bike,
> office, and hang out  with really great group of Python enthusiasts.
> How often to do you  get to ask questions one-on-one with doctors,
> scientists, hackers, and  general pythonic people in an open and
> friendly setting?
>
> See you there... this will be the best meeting ever. Thanks in advance
> to our new venue hosts:  Pumping Station: One
>
>
> When
> ----
>
> Thursday 7:00pm October 8th 2009
>
>
> Location
> --------
>
>  * Pumping Station: One
>  * `3354 N. Elston
> <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&geocode=&q=3354+N.+Elston,+Chicago,+IL&sll=41.942494,-87.702806&sspn=0.007422,0.019312&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=3354+N+Elston+Ave,+Chicago,+Illinois+60618&ll=41.944106,-87.703514&spn=0.033516,0.049953&z=14
>>`_, come in the red door
>  * food plans are currently being made, local options include Chief
> O'Neill's, Kuma's, Square...
>  * RSVP to johnstoner2 ((at the domain)) gmail ((dot)) com
>
>
> About ChiPy
> -----------
>
> ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
> Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
> Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
> efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.
>
> ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
> ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
> ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List:
> <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce
>>
> Python website: <http://python.org>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Oct  8 22:30:16 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PS1 parking
Message-ID: <549053140910081330m391adcf1t84ed647c85215f37@mail.gmail.com>

My licence plate fell off, so I can't park on the street if parking
ticketers are going to be snooping around.  any suggestions?

-- 
Carl K

From sakamura at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 22:41:07 2009
From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:41:07 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PS1 parking
In-Reply-To: <549053140910081330m391adcf1t84ed647c85215f37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549053140910081330m391adcf1t84ed647c85215f37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f04b902c0910081341w53e6a051rb79e18212ac45814@mail.gmail.com>

Front and/or Rear?

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:

> My licence plate fell off, so I can't park on the street if parking
> ticketers are going to be snooping around.  any suggestions?
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 22:46:35 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:46:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PS1 parking
In-Reply-To: <f04b902c0910081341w53e6a051rb79e18212ac45814@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549053140910081330m391adcf1t84ed647c85215f37@mail.gmail.com>
	<f04b902c0910081341w53e6a051rb79e18212ac45814@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140910081346tb358b0egda6ec3772c81b7fb@mail.gmail.com>

rear.  so I have no reg sticker.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Ishmael Rufus <sakamura at gmail.com> wrote:
> Front and/or Rear?
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>>
>> My licence plate fell off, so I can't park on the street if parking
>> ticketers are going to be snooping around. ?any suggestions?
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From tim.saylor at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 22:47:55 2009
From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:47:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PS1 parking
In-Reply-To: <549053140910081330m391adcf1t84ed647c85215f37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549053140910081330m391adcf1t84ed647c85215f37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9fb45b0b0910081347g1208a4d5i9519607ca0d096b2@mail.gmail.com>

If you're looking for public transit options, we're not far from the
belmont stop on the blue line, especially if you take the belmont bus
to elston and walk north.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> My licence plate fell off, so I can't park on the street if parking
> ticketers are going to be snooping around. ?any suggestions?
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From jsudlow at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 23:15:08 2009
From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:15:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PS1 parking
In-Reply-To: <9fb45b0b0910081347g1208a4d5i9519607ca0d096b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549053140910081330m391adcf1t84ed647c85215f37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9fb45b0b0910081347g1208a4d5i9519607ca0d096b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eb9a21ad0910081415n67cb2072h3051ab8299f2dce6@mail.gmail.com>

take the front plate off as well ?

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you're looking for public transit options, we're not far from the
> belmont stop on the blue line, especially if you take the belmont bus
> to elston and walk north.
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
> > My licence plate fell off, so I can't park on the street if parking
> > ticketers are going to be snooping around.  any suggestions?
> >
> > --
> > Carl K
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 23:38:14 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:38:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PS1 parking
In-Reply-To: <eb9a21ad0910081415n67cb2072h3051ab8299f2dce6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549053140910081330m391adcf1t84ed647c85215f37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9fb45b0b0910081347g1208a4d5i9519607ca0d096b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<eb9a21ad0910081415n67cb2072h3051ab8299f2dce6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140910081438n586034c3n5a51142750d7ca08@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
> take the front plate off as well ?
>

no reg stickers.  I got a parking ticket for stickers being out of date.

> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you're looking for public transit options, we're not far from the
>> belmont stop on the blue line, especially if you take the belmont bus
>> to elston and walk north.

as usual, I am bringing my recording toys.

>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
>> wrote:
>> > My licence plate fell off, so I can't park on the street if parking
>> > ticketers are going to be snooping around. ?any suggestions?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Carl K
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chicago mailing list
>> > Chicago at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 08:16:22 2009
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:16:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] debrief of your evening at PS1
Message-ID: <74ee3f2b0910092316qeb005f3j7c999f1d1b3010e9@mail.gmail.com>

I just wanted to check in here and ask folks what they thought of hosting
your meeting at PS1. This was the first time we've hosted an event for an
outside organization (if that wasn't obvious), and we'd like to learn what
we can from the experience. So, what did you think? What did you like/not
like about it? Did you feel welcome? Was there anything we could have done
better to support your meeting?

You can email any constructive criticism you may have to me off list (if
that's more appropriate to this list--I'm new here), and I'll make sure to
pass it on.

-- 
blogs:
http://www.generosity.org/stoner/
http://boogiepants.typepad.com/
'In knowledge is power; in  wisdom, humility.'
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From bray at sent.com  Sat Oct 10 17:21:39 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:21:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] debrief of your evening at PS1
In-Reply-To: <74ee3f2b0910092316qeb005f3j7c999f1d1b3010e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <74ee3f2b0910092316qeb005f3j7c999f1d1b3010e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28E21CF3-8C55-44B8-89E9-0221926AFF7B@sent.com>


On Oct 10, 2009, at 1:16 AM, John Stoner wrote:

>
> I just wanted to check in here and ask folks what they thought of  
> hosting your meeting at PS1. This was the first time we've hosted an  
> event for an outside organization (if that wasn't obvious), and we'd  
> like to learn what we can from the experience. So, what did you  
> think? What did you like/not like about it? Did you feel welcome?  
> Was there anything we could have done better to support your meeting?
>
>

John:

Thank you so much for hosting.  In my opinion, PS1 is a brilliant  
venture and provided an excellent detour off the beaten path.

One good things about PS1 in particular was the inspirational spirit  
it brings.  Python indeed has the reputation of attracting those who  
love what they do.  Our speaker was a good example of this in how he  
showed spirit for his (bleep) (bleep) topic ;)  Generally, the space  
was really interesting. I felt a bid honored that you let us into this  
underground world full of interesting toys and ideas.

On the other hand, the set backs for the this particular venue are  
quiet obvious. It is too far from the loop and generally not  
centralized enough. It could have been hard to find for some;  
although, "behind the big red door," helped.  If we had one of our  
larger meetings, it would have been too crowded.  There was not enough  
refreshment.

Personally, as the current ad-hoc JIT organizer of ChiPy, I love  
taking detours such as this one.  It really helps cohesion of the  
group.  Some of our most loyal members made it to this meeting and a  
lot of new people. The open-space like taking session at the end  
really helped others to get to know each other a little easier than  
what I would expect with a bigger meeting packed with presentations.

Thanks again for hosting.  It was really great. Probably our best  
meeting yet. However, our meeting next month (tentatively) scheduled  
at DePaul will provide tough competition.

-- Brian Ray




From johnstoner2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 21:17:21 2009
From: johnstoner2 at gmail.com (John Stoner)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:17:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] debrief of your evening at PS1
In-Reply-To: <28E21CF3-8C55-44B8-89E9-0221926AFF7B@sent.com>
References: <74ee3f2b0910092316qeb005f3j7c999f1d1b3010e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<28E21CF3-8C55-44B8-89E9-0221926AFF7B@sent.com>
Message-ID: <74ee3f2b0910101217x5df78e4dh132cdb4ce97b4e91@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:

>
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 1:16 AM, John Stoner wrote:
>
>
>> I just wanted to check in here and ask folks what they thought of hosting
>> your meeting at PS1. This was the first time we've hosted an event for an
>> outside organization (if that wasn't obvious), and we'd like to learn what
>> we can from the experience. So, what did you think? What did you like/not
>> like about it? Did you feel welcome? Was there anything we could have done
>> better to support your meeting?
>>
>>
>>
> John:
>
> Thank you so much for hosting.  In my opinion, PS1 is a brilliant venture
> and provided an excellent detour off the beaten path.
>
> One good things about PS1 in particular was the inspirational spirit it
> brings.  Python indeed has the reputation of attracting those who love what
> they do.  Our speaker was a good example of this in how he showed spirit for
> his (bleep) (bleep) topic ;)  Generally, the space was really interesting. I
> felt a bid honored that you let us into this underground world full of
> interesting toys and ideas.
>
> On the other hand, the set backs for the this particular venue are quiet
> obvious. It is too far from the loop and generally not centralized enough.
> It could have been hard to find for some; although, "behind the big red
> door," helped.  If we had one of our larger meetings, it would have been too
> crowded.  There was not enough refreshment.
>
> Personally, as the current ad-hoc JIT organizer of ChiPy, I love taking
> detours such as this one.  It really helps cohesion of the group.  Some of
> our most loyal members made it to this meeting and a lot of new people. The
> open-space like taking session at the end really helped others to get to
> know each other a little easier than what I would expect with a bigger
> meeting packed with presentations.
>
> Thanks again for hosting.  It was really great. Probably our best meeting
> yet. However, our meeting next month (tentatively) scheduled at DePaul will
> provide tough competition.
>
> -- Brian Ray
>
>
That's about what I thought. You guys are certainly welcome to work with us
anytime. We do want to host events like this on a limited basis. It's
especially good for us to get a sense of the scale of what we can
responsibly support.

Other than Carl's video, did anyone get pictures of the event? Of course, I
neglected to take any. Carl, can you let me know when you get your video up
online? I'd like to link from our blog.


>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 23:11:52 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:11:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] debrief of your evening at PS1
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM, John Stoner <johnstoner2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2009, at 1:16 AM, John Stoner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I just wanted to check in here and ask folks what they thought of hosting
>>> your meeting at PS1. This was the first time we've hosted an event for an
>>> outside organization (if that wasn't obvious), and we'd like to learn what
>>> we can from the experience. So, what did you think? What did you like/not
>>> like about it? Did you feel welcome? Was there anything we could have done
>>> better to support your meeting?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> John:
>>
>> Thank you so much for hosting. ?In my opinion, PS1 is a brilliant venture
>> and provided an excellent detour off the beaten path.
>>
>> One good things about PS1 in particular was the inspirational spirit it
>> brings. ?Python indeed has the reputation of attracting those who love what
>> they do. ?Our speaker was a good example of this in how he showed spirit for
>> his (bleep) (bleep) topic ;) ?Generally, the space was really interesting. I
>> felt a bid honored that you let us into this underground world full of
>> interesting toys and ideas.
>>
>> On the other hand, the set backs for the this particular venue are quiet
>> obvious. It is too far from the loop and generally not centralized enough.
>> It could have been hard to find for some; although, "behind the big red
>> door," helped. ?If we had one of our larger meetings, it would have been too
>> crowded. ?There was not enough refreshment.
>>
>> Personally, as the current ad-hoc JIT organizer of ChiPy, I love taking
>> detours such as this one. ?It really helps cohesion of the group. ?Some of
>> our most loyal members made it to this meeting and a lot of new people. The
>> open-space like taking session at the end really helped others to get to
>> know each other a little easier than what I would expect with a bigger
>> meeting packed with presentations.
>>
>> Thanks again for hosting. ?It was really great. Probably our best meeting
>> yet. However, our meeting next month (tentatively) scheduled at DePaul will
>> provide tough competition.
>>
>> -- Brian Ray
>>
>
> That's about what I thought. You guys are certainly welcome to work with us
> anytime. We do want to host events like this on a limited basis. It's
> especially good for us to get a sense of the scale of what we can
> responsibly support.
>
> Other than Carl's video, did anyone get pictures of the event? Of course, I
> neglected to take any. Carl, can you let me know when you get your video up
> online? I'd like to link from our blog.

I am a bit backlogged right now, so the vids may not be up for a week
or so, which means I may forget to tell you personally.  But part of
the upload is to tweet, and that is about all I tweet, so watch this:

http://twitter.com/cfkarsten

in the next few days you will see a bunch (30?) of #dejangocon ones -
then 4 or 5 user groups, #chipy being the one you want.

-- 
Carl K

From verisimilidude at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 20:08:52 2009
From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:08:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Making a list of strings
Message-ID: <6ad48f980910191108n1c681831x26be444230f07a5@mail.gmail.com>

OK fellow pythonistas,  can anyone explain what is going on here?

	I'm using a recent, but not most recent, version of Python.
Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Dec 23 2008, 15:10:54) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)]

	I want a list with a string value in it.  I make a sample string to
put in a list.
In [1]: s='string'

	The obvious way gives me something different but expected
In [2]: list(s)
Out[2]: ['s', 't', 'r', 'i', 'n', 'g']

	So I try appending something to a newly created empty list
In [3]: y=list().append(s)

	And I get a null value.  This is unexpected,
In [4]: y

	since doing the steps independantly gives me what I want.
In [5]: y=list()
In [6]: y.append(s)
In [7]: y
Out[7]: ['string']


I want to pass this as a parameter and it seems non-pythonic to have
to create a variable and then pass it when all I want is a single use.
 Any ideas for a better work-around?

Phil

From seizethedave at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 20:11:16 2009
From: seizethedave at gmail.com (David Grant)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:11:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Making a list of strings
In-Reply-To: <6ad48f980910191108n1c681831x26be444230f07a5@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <39f4b80c0910191111w1a43049fjb77ba8915748aff8@mail.gmail.com>

How about:
someList = [s]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK fellow pythonistas, ?can anyone explain what is going on here?
>
> ? ? ? ?I'm using a recent, but not most recent, version of Python.
> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Dec 23 2008, 15:10:54) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)]
>
> ? ? ? ?I want a list with a string value in it. ?I make a sample string to
> put in a list.
> In [1]: s='string'
>
> ? ? ? ?The obvious way gives me something different but expected
> In [2]: list(s)
> Out[2]: ['s', 't', 'r', 'i', 'n', 'g']
>
> ? ? ? ?So I try appending something to a newly created empty list
> In [3]: y=list().append(s)
>
> ? ? ? ?And I get a null value. ?This is unexpected,
> In [4]: y
>
> ? ? ? ?since doing the steps independantly gives me what I want.
> In [5]: y=list()
> In [6]: y.append(s)
> In [7]: y
> Out[7]: ['string']
>
>
> I want to pass this as a parameter and it seems non-pythonic to have
> to create a variable and then pass it when all I want is a single use.
> ?Any ideas for a better work-around?
>
> Phil
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 20:11:48 2009
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:11:48 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Making a list of strings
In-Reply-To: <6ad48f980910191108n1c681831x26be444230f07a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ad48f980910191108n1c681831x26be444230f07a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3db160680910191111p75e84eb5y13a67c8c87ba1d27@mail.gmail.com>

A string is a list of characters. Make a list like this:

mylist = []
mylist.append("A string")
mylist.append("B string")

or init it with
mylist = ["A string", "B string"]


Dan


On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Phil Robare <verisimilidude at gmail.com>wrote:

> OK fellow pythonistas,  can anyone explain what is going on here?
>
>        I'm using a recent, but not most recent, version of Python.
> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Dec 23 2008, 15:10:54) [MSC v.1310 32 bit
> (Intel)]
>
>        I want a list with a string value in it.  I make a sample string to
> put in a list.
> In [1]: s='string'
>
>        The obvious way gives me something different but expected
> In [2]: list(s)
> Out[2]: ['s', 't', 'r', 'i', 'n', 'g']
>
>        So I try appending something to a newly created empty list
> In [3]: y=list().append(s)
>
>        And I get a null value.  This is unexpected,
> In [4]: y
>
>        since doing the steps independantly gives me what I want.
> In [5]: y=list()
> In [6]: y.append(s)
> In [7]: y
> Out[7]: ['string']
>
>
> I want to pass this as a parameter and it seems non-pythonic to have
> to create a variable and then pass it when all I want is a single use.
>  Any ideas for a better work-around?
>
> Phil
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Mon Oct 19 20:13:08 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Making a list of strings
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because in

y = list().append(whatever)

you are bot storing the vaue returned by list() but the value returned  
by append and append does not return the list it acts on. append  
always returns None.

On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Phil Robare wrote:

> OK fellow pythonistas,  can anyone explain what is going on here?
>
> 	I'm using a recent, but not most recent, version of Python.
> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Dec 23 2008, 15:10:54) [MSC v.1310 32 bit  
> (Intel)]
>
> 	I want a list with a string value in it.  I make a sample string to
> put in a list.
> In [1]: s='string'
>
> 	The obvious way gives me something different but expected
> In [2]: list(s)
> Out[2]: ['s', 't', 'r', 'i', 'n', 'g']
>
> 	So I try appending something to a newly created empty list
> In [3]: y=list().append(s)
>
> 	And I get a null value.  This is unexpected,
> In [4]: y
>
> 	since doing the steps independantly gives me what I want.
> In [5]: y=list()
> In [6]: y.append(s)
> In [7]: y
> Out[7]: ['string']
>
>
> I want to pass this as a parameter and it seems non-pythonic to have
> to create a variable and then pass it when all I want is a single use.
> Any ideas for a better work-around?
>
> Phil
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From ed at leafe.com  Mon Oct 19 20:13:14 2009
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:13:14 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] Making a list of strings
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On Oct 19, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Phil Robare wrote:

> I want to pass this as a parameter and it seems non-pythonic to have
> to create a variable and then pass it when all I want is a single use.
> Any ideas for a better work-around?


	y = [s]


-- Ed Leafe




From ccf3 at mindspring.com  Mon Oct 19 20:35:28 2009
From: ccf3 at mindspring.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:35:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Making a list of strings
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References: <6ad48f980910191108n1c681831x26be444230f07a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADCB170.7090604@mindspring.com>

If you wanted to create a list with one element, a string, then perhaps:

s=["string"]

instead of

s='string'

Is that what you are getting at?

Phil Robare wrote:
> OK fellow pythonistas,  can anyone explain what is going on here?
>
> 	I'm using a recent, but not most recent, version of Python.
> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Dec 23 2008, 15:10:54) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)]
>
> 	I want a list with a string value in it.  I make a sample string to
> put in a list.
> In [1]: s='string'
>
> 	The obvious way gives me something different but expected
> In [2]: list(s)
> Out[2]: ['s', 't', 'r', 'i', 'n', 'g']
>   


From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 20:45:25 2009
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:45:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Making a list of strings
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Right, so to clarify:

>>> y = [1, 2, 3]
>>> print y.append(4)
None

>>> print y
[1, 2, 3, 4]

Because *y.append()* acts upon the list *y*, but does not return a
value (or, technically, returns *None*).  This is to make sure you
don't think it returns a list with the value appended without acting
on the original list. (if this last part doesn't make sense, ignore
it)

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> because in
>
> y = list().append(whatever)
>
> you are bot storing the vaue returned by list() but the value returned by
> append and append does not return the list it acts on. append always returns
> None.
>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Phil Robare wrote:
>
>> OK fellow pythonistas, ?can anyone explain what is going on here?
>>
>> ? ? ? ?I'm using a recent, but not most recent, version of Python.
>> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Dec 23 2008, 15:10:54) [MSC v.1310 32 bit
>> (Intel)]
>>
>> ? ? ? ?I want a list with a string value in it. ?I make a sample string to
>> put in a list.
>> In [1]: s='string'
>>
>> ? ? ? ?The obvious way gives me something different but expected
>> In [2]: list(s)
>> Out[2]: ['s', 't', 'r', 'i', 'n', 'g']
>>
>> ? ? ? ?So I try appending something to a newly created empty list
>> In [3]: y=list().append(s)
>>
>> ? ? ? ?And I get a null value. ?This is unexpected,
>> In [4]: y
>>
>> ? ? ? ?since doing the steps independantly gives me what I want.
>> In [5]: y=list()
>> In [6]: y.append(s)
>> In [7]: y
>> Out[7]: ['string']
>>
>>
>> I want to pass this as a parameter and it seems non-pythonic to have
>> to create a variable and then pass it when all I want is a single use.
>> Any ideas for a better work-around?
>>
>> Phil
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From verisimilidude at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 22:34:54 2009
From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:34:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Making a list of strings
In-Reply-To: <B121B0FA-4F17-4F57-B2D0-E4EC58D0C105@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <6ad48f980910191108n1c681831x26be444230f07a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<B121B0FA-4F17-4F57-B2D0-E4EC58D0C105@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <6ad48f980910191334n3d1195f2t522e8a1494cb8c71@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Massimo and Brant for pointing out that my problem is append
returns None.
My problem was that I am sometimes getting a single string and
sometimes getting the result of a list comprehension.  The routine I
am calling takes a list of strings.  I figured that appending either
to a null list would give me the list I wanted.  "Don't work that
way".

Thanks to those who answered.

Phil

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> because in
>
> y = list().append(whatever)
>
> you are bot storing the vaue returned by list() but the value returned by
> append and append does not return the list it acts on. append always returns
> None.
>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Phil Robare wrote:
>
>> OK fellow pythonistas, ?can anyone explain what is going on here?
>>
>> ? ? ? ?I'm using a recent, but not most recent, version of Python.
>> Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, Dec 23 2008, 15:10:54) [MSC v.1310 32 bit
>> (Intel)]
>>
>> ? ? ? ?I want a list with a string value in it. ?I make a sample string to
>> put in a list.
>> In [1]: s='string'
>>
>> ? ? ? ?The obvious way gives me something different but expected
>> In [2]: list(s)
>> Out[2]: ['s', 't', 'r', 'i', 'n', 'g']
>>
>> ? ? ? ?So I try appending something to a newly created empty list
>> In [3]: y=list().append(s)
>>
>> ? ? ? ?And I get a null value. ?This is unexpected,
>> In [4]: y
>>
>> ? ? ? ?since doing the steps independantly gives me what I want.
>> In [5]: y=list()
>> In [6]: y.append(s)
>> In [7]: y
>> Out[7]: ['string']
>>
>>
>> I want to pass this as a parameter and it seems non-pythonic to have
>> to create a variable and then pass it when all I want is a single use.
>> Any ideas for a better work-around?
>>
>> Phil
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From andy at obtiva.com  Mon Oct 19 20:59:11 2009
From: andy at obtiva.com (Andy Maleh)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:59:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Polyglot Programmers: Hello, and Beyond
Message-ID: <620ca2c40910191159v25b9808bn5ad56a9625a614a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

As a ChiPy attendee, I thought this might be of interest to members of
the ChiPy group.

The Polyglot Programmers of Chicago are meeting this Thursday at 6PM
to see a talk by Clyde Forrester titled "Hello, and Beyond".

Abstract:

"When learning a new programming language or testing a new
environment, one commonly runs the "Hello" program, which simply puts
"Hello" on the screen. Some, like me, do not progress beyond that in
great leaps, but must define deliberate small steps to understand new
languages and additional functionality. To help with this, I am
gradually building a set of exercises and implementations in many
computer languages. I will present what I have so far, as well as the
significant problems I have encountered, and some lessons learned."

When: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 6:00-8:00
Where: Obtiva, 566 W. Adams St., Suite 400, Chicago, IL
Eating: Giordano's Pizza

Link: http://polyglotprogrammers.com/usa/illinois/chicago/200910.html

Andy Maleh

From allan2600 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 16:29:14 2009
From: allan2600 at gmail.com (Allan Spale)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:29:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Request for A/V Help for Ignite Chicago
Message-ID: <79acc5430910200729t6c41d75fvef4adb0610df0a2c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I have a friend who is organizing an Ignite Chicago evening this
Thursday...most likely at Northwestern University. The organizer is looking
for someone to videotape sessions. While I would have wanted to provide this
service, my schedule is not going to cooperate (and a lot of my
uncooperative schedule has kept me from Chipy meetings too). So, I am
sending out a call to the Python community to see if anyone who has these
skills might be interested or available this Thursday evening. If you are
interested, please contact me and I will provide his contact information.
Perhaps if you videotape as I did last time, you could present some Python
material or some other topic of your choice. The organizer will very likely
take care of uploading the taped footage, so all you would need to do is
just film and leave the tapes with the organizer.

As an update on my side, I have left the world of freelance consulting and
am now working for a small predictive analytics company doing a mixture of
web and Python programming. I hope to see everyone at the Chipy meeting next
month.


Allan
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 16:55:25 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:55:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Request for A/V Help for Ignite Chicago
In-Reply-To: <79acc5430910200729t6c41d75fvef4adb0610df0a2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79acc5430910200729t6c41d75fvef4adb0610df0a2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140910200755q144bcb92m2cda3f8b2251ebfe@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Allan Spale <allan2600 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I have a friend who is organizing an Ignite Chicago evening this
> Thursday...most likely at Northwestern University. The organizer is looking
> for someone to videotape sessions. While I would have wanted to provide this
> service, my schedule is not going to cooperate (and a lot of my
> uncooperative schedule has kept me from Chipy meetings too). So, I am
> sending out a call to the Python community to see if anyone who has these
> skills might be interested or available this Thursday evening. If you are
> interested, please contact?me and I will provide his contact information.
> Perhaps if you videotape as I did last time, you could present some Python
> material or some other topic of your choice. The organizer will very likely
> take care of uploading the taped footage, so all you would need to do is
> just film and leave the tapes with the organizer.
> As an update on my side, I have left the world of freelance consulting and
> am now working for a small predictive analytics company doing a mixture of
> web and Python programming. I hope to see everyone at the Chipy meeting next
> month.

Ignite Chicago - http://www.ignitechi.org - I don't see an address.

I was hoping to record
Polyglot Programmers of Chicago
Hello, and Beyond
by Clyde Forrester
When: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 6:00-8:00
Where: Obtiva, 566 W. Adams St., Suite 400, Chicago, IL
http://polyglotprogrammers.com/usa/illinois/chicago/200910.html

-- 
Carl K

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 18:20:15 2009
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:20:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Access DB?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0910210919u63fd10a0p5f3b46ca987291dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0910210919u63fd10a0p5f3b46ca987291dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0910210920o1995bdfifd00a979865e8151@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,

I'm converting an Access database to MySQL or Postgres, and am looking
at tools. ?I've seen some examples of connecting the DB through ODBC,
but it seems like that needs a windows machine. ?I found a command
line tool in linux that can access the db, which is probably my best
bet, but I wanted to through it out to you smart folks to see if
there's a better Pythonic way to approach the problem. ?I know there's
a python library that can read Excel natively, anything similar for
Access?

Chris

From samir at esamir.com  Wed Oct 21 18:35:01 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:35:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Access DB?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0910210920o1995bdfifd00a979865e8151@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0910210919u63fd10a0p5f3b46ca987291dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0910210920o1995bdfifd00a979865e8151@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0910210935u51d4542dkd9c5e037769c853c@mail.gmail.com>

Just a few quick hits for migrating.  Not python..but you can use the
mysql database from python once converted.

http://radio.javaranch.com/balajidl/2006/03/20/1142854129729.html
http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Moving_MS_Access_Data_to_Linux

I haven't found anything odbc for acces ms. access, but freetds does
let you interact with mssql server.  Not sure if that would be useful
to you or not.  Though, I think the top 2 links should let you migrate
your data to psql/mysql and from there you should be good.

--
Samir

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> I'm converting an Access database to MySQL or Postgres, and am looking
> at tools. ?I've seen some examples of connecting the DB through ODBC,
> but it seems like that needs a windows machine. ?I found a command
> line tool in linux that can access the db, which is probably my best
> bet, but I wanted to through it out to you smart folks to see if
> there's a better Pythonic way to approach the problem. ?I know there's
> a python library that can read Excel natively, anything similar for
> Access?
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
--
Samir Faci
*insert title*
`fortune`

From samir at esamir.com  Wed Oct 21 18:40:31 2009
From: samir at esamir.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:40:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT? Maybe? Fwd: Next Meeting - Oc. 28th from 5 to 8pm
Message-ID: <9db93b0e0910210940g20ec83d9xc4aed7d85ab0764b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure if this would be OT or not..  technically the android
platform has a python dev environment you can use to access their API
and do all sorts of fancy things with.  (
http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/  )


But just an fyi for anyone that is interested.




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Roberto Serrano <ohrock at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Subject: Next Meeting - Oc. 28th from 5 to 8pm
To: chicago-androids at googlegroups.com


Hello my beloved Androids!

As you probably now, if you have been paying attention, our next
meeting is coming soon (just over 7 days). As has been usual lately,
we will be hosting along with Chi. Gtug, and below are some details on
what you can expect.? Space is (very!) limited, so make sure to sign
up if you have not done it already:

http://chigtug4.eventbrite.com/

I am personally very excited about Eric's talk, all of you have
probably been curious of what the heck is Moto up to by providing yet
another Dev Environment.? So, this is your great chance to learn more
about the additional features that have been build on top of what
already is a pretty nice product.

I will see you there!!

Roberto C. Serrano

PS> Feel free to promote the event... and Thank you!

_________________________________

This the 4th conference and the second part of the Android group
presentation organized by Roberto Serrano in coordination with Chicago
GTUG's Uki D. Lucas.

Possible topics:

5:30 pm: Chris McAvoy (Chicago Phython Group)
- Amazon Cloud Web Services
6:00 pm:?Eric Cloninger?(Motorola -?lead in the Motodev Studio Project)
"Introduction to Motodev Studio development environment for Android"
6:40 pm: social break
6:45 Uki D. Lucas
- How Social Media can benefit your business? No nonsense approach
7:15 pm: social break
7:30 pm:??Richard Li
- Samsung's Android phone with a cube UI:
- How to do color based picking in OpenGL
- How to fire up an Android application based on a 3D event
- Google NDK with support of native OpenGL ES programming
- 3D animation with OpenGL ES on Android

There will be?bagels and soft drinks?provided by Uki (sorry beer is
not allowed this time).

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*insert title*
`fortune`

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 19:08:43 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:08:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Access DB?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0910210920o1995bdfifd00a979865e8151@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0910210919u63fd10a0p5f3b46ca987291dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0910210920o1995bdfifd00a979865e8151@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140910211008w5470108dq77a36c8928e451f0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> I'm converting an Access database to MySQL or Postgres, and am looking
> at tools. ?I've seen some examples of connecting the DB through ODBC,
> but it seems like that needs a windows machine. ?I found a command
> line tool in linux that can access the db, which is probably my best
> bet, but I wanted to through it out to you smart folks to see if
> there's a better Pythonic way to approach the problem. ?I know there's
> a python library that can read Excel natively, anything similar for
> Access?

Read from MS Access:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/migration-toolkit/en/mysql-migration-toolkit-indepth-sourcedb-access.html

Scripted:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/migration-toolkit/en/scripted-migration.html

I have used this tool interactively on linux, it is nice. Not sure
what the requirements are to run on linux and read from MS Access.

There are 4 or 5 python odbc modules.  I have a fav, digging that up
now, but hitting send first in case I get distracted.

-- 
Carl K

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 19:18:56 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:18:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Access DB?
In-Reply-To: <549053140910211008w5470108dq77a36c8928e451f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0910210919u63fd10a0p5f3b46ca987291dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0910210920o1995bdfifd00a979865e8151@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140910211008w5470108dq77a36c8928e451f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140910211018i4e820362h16d728decd4cd973@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I'm converting an Access database to MySQL or Postgres, and am looking
>> at tools. ?I've seen some examples of connecting the DB through ODBC,
>> but it seems like that needs a windows machine. ?I found a command
>> line tool in linux that can access the db, which is probably my best
>> bet, but I wanted to through it out to you smart folks to see if
>> there's a better Pythonic way to approach the problem. ?I know there's
>> a python library that can read Excel natively, anything similar for
>> Access?
>
> Read from MS Access:
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/migration-toolkit/en/mysql-migration-toolkit-indepth-sourcedb-access.html
>
> Scripted:
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/migration-toolkit/en/scripted-migration.html
>
> I have used this tool interactively on linux, it is nice. Not sure
> what the requirements are to run on linux and read from MS Access.
>
> There are 4 or 5 python odbc modules.

http://wiki.python.org/moin/ODBC

> I have a fav,

http://ceodbc.sourceforge.net - I think.  it is written by the same
guy that does the oracle module, trying to verify that this is really
the one.  but it is where I would start.

-- 
Carl K

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 19:30:40 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:30:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: Access DB?
In-Reply-To: <549053140910211018i4e820362h16d728decd4cd973@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0910210919u63fd10a0p5f3b46ca987291dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0910210920o1995bdfifd00a979865e8151@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140910211008w5470108dq77a36c8928e451f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140910211018i4e820362h16d728decd4cd973@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140910211030x3c4addb9kacbf5a5ace18c56b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> I'm converting an Access database to MySQL or Postgres, and am looking
>>> at tools. ?I've seen some examples of connecting the DB through ODBC,
>>> but it seems like that needs a windows machine. ?I found a command
>>> line tool in linux that can access the db, which is probably my best
>>> bet, but I wanted to through it out to you smart folks to see if
>>> there's a better Pythonic way to approach the problem. ?I know there's
>>> a python library that can read Excel natively, anything similar for
>>> Access?
>>
>> Read from MS Access:
>> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/migration-toolkit/en/mysql-migration-toolkit-indepth-sourcedb-access.html
>>
>> Scripted:
>> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/migration-toolkit/en/scripted-migration.html
>>
>> I have used this tool interactively on linux, it is nice. Not sure
>> what the requirements are to run on linux and read from MS Access.
>>
>> There are 4 or 5 python odbc modules.
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/ODBC
>
>> I have a fav,
>
> http://ceodbc.sourceforge.net - I think. ?it is written by the same
> guy that does the oracle module, trying to verify that this is really
> the one. ?but it is where I would start.

http://ceodbc.sourceforge.net/HISTORY.txt

Yup, that's the one.  What is odd is Anthony Tuininga is not listed,
but he is the one I worked with.

http://cx-oracle.sourceforge.net/LICENSE.txt
Copyright ? 2007-2009, Anthony Tuininga.
Copyright ? 2001-2007, Computronix (Canada) Ltd., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

-- 
Carl K

From mtemkin at speakeasy.net  Thu Oct 22 04:14:56 2009
From: mtemkin at speakeasy.net (Marc Temkin)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:14:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Re Message 1 Vol 50, Issue 12 - Access db on linux
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7679.1256146247.2806.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.7679.1256146247.2806.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <048820842E71405985F2AB6DBBA3356F@Dreamcatcher2>

Chris,
Have you tried Mdbtools? ( http://swik.net/mdbtools ).  I have no personal
experience but it pops up a few times in my brief research.   Also see
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mdbtools/

Marc Temkin



From tonkinjs at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 18:10:55 2009
From: tonkinjs at yahoo.com (Jonathan Tonkin)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago] Several items that may be of interest to group members
Message-ID: <232910.89961.qm@web111304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Hello,

While this may not be directly related to group topics, here are several items that may be of interest to group members. 

1.) (shortest first) The Chicago Chapter of the ACM is now on Facebook and Twitter.? Join our Facebook Group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=59120137059) or follow us on Twitter (username:? chicagoacm).

2.) My former grad advisor, Dr. Richard Neapolitan, is giving a talk today, October 23rd, 2009.? This is a warm-up to a presentation he will give to Google in November.? If you are interested, here are the details. 
?
?
Towards Pragmatic Statistics
Friday, Oct. 23 at 7pm
Northeastern Illinois University, Lech Walesa Hall 3096 

Abstract:
We now have a pragmatic president, pragmatic economists, and even pragmatic philosophers. However, we still have the dogma of the .05 significance level dominating statistics. I will discuss how blinding adhering to current conventional standards in statistics can lead us down the wrong path and I will offer alternatives.

If you don't know Dr. Neapolitan, it would probably be good to send him an email in advance (RE-Neapolitan at neiu.edu). 
?
(Sorry about the short notice.)


3.) Chicago Chapter of the ACM, October 27, 2009: "Serious Games"

A joint meeting with the Loyola University Computer Science Department

Speaker: Maria Klawe - ACM Distinguished Speaker

"Serious Games"

4:00 pm - 5:30 pm

Loyola University Lake Shore Campus
Life Sciences Building Auditorium (Room LSB-142)
1032 W Sheridan Road, Chicago, IL 60660

Admission: Free (General Admission, No Reserved Seats)
To make a reservation, use this form:
(http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/chicagoacm.org/viewform?formkey=dDlwQkllRnFQVWVfMEtSazZPM0FacXc6MA)
or send an e-mail to greg at neumarke.net or call Greg at 773-907-3308 (work)

About the Topic:
Ever since video games first invaded pinball arcades, there has been a parallel development in creating games for job training and education. This talk describes a variety of current serious game projects including Senior Prom, a version of Dance Dance Revolution for elders, and web-based math games for K-12.

More details at: http://www.chicagoacm.org/ 


Thanks, 

Jonathan Tonkin 

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From bray at sent.com  Fri Oct 23 18:26:50 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Confirmed November Venue
Message-ID: <EA4E75B9-3D4F-4EFD-94FA-935C838129C0@sent.com>

Good news!

Depaul CDM, 243 S Wabash Ave. Room. 924, the large one on the 9th floor.

This will be the best meeting ever.

Cheers,

Brian Ray




From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 19:51:23 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:51:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Confirmed November Venue
In-Reply-To: <EA4E75B9-3D4F-4EFD-94FA-935C838129C0@sent.com>
References: <EA4E75B9-3D4F-4EFD-94FA-935C838129C0@sent.com>
Message-ID: <549053140910231051u446ac74ct3159333cd422b275@mail.gmail.com>

What did you think of ITA?  (aka Tech Nexus, where day of cloud was)

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
> Good news!
>
> Depaul CDM, 243 S Wabash Ave. Room. 924, the large one on the 9th floor.
>
> This will be the best meeting ever.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
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From bray at sent.com  Fri Oct 23 19:57:55 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:57:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Confirmed November Venue
In-Reply-To: <549053140910231051u446ac74ct3159333cd422b275@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EA4E75B9-3D4F-4EFD-94FA-935C838129C0@sent.com>
	<549053140910231051u446ac74ct3159333cd422b275@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C99C768-F4A4-48CE-8F51-2A2E160A898F@sent.com>


On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> What did you think of ITA?  (aka Tech Nexus, where day of cloud was)


I think it is a great venue, I have made contact am looking to use  
this for December.

Brian Ray




From shekay at pobox.com  Wed Oct 28 15:39:56 2009
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:39:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] OT? Maybe? Fwd: Next Meeting - Oc. 28th from 5 to 8pm
In-Reply-To: <9db93b0e0910210940g20ec83d9xc4aed7d85ab0764b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9db93b0e0910210940g20ec83d9xc4aed7d85ab0764b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640910280739p25665710hbafd32ab6a16ea0a@mail.gmail.com>

I've only done non-fancy things, but the possibilities are cool.

see? at first I fail:

http://groups.google.com/group/android-scripting/browse_thread/thread/eb3856235224899e#

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Samir Faci <samir at esamir.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure if this would be OT or not.. ?technically the android
> platform has a python dev environment you can use to access their API
> and do all sorts of fancy things with. ?(
> http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ ?)
>
>
> But just an fyi for anyone that is interested.
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Roberto Serrano <ohrock at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:09 AM
> Subject: Next Meeting - Oc. 28th from 5 to 8pm
> To: chicago-androids at googlegroups.com
>
>
> Hello my beloved Androids!
>
> As you probably now, if you have been paying attention, our next
> meeting is coming soon (just over 7 days). As has been usual lately,
> we will be hosting along with Chi. Gtug, and below are some details on
> what you can expect.? Space is (very!) limited, so make sure to sign
> up if you have not done it already:
>
> http://chigtug4.eventbrite.com/
>
> I am personally very excited about Eric's talk, all of you have
> probably been curious of what the heck is Moto up to by providing yet
> another Dev Environment.? So, this is your great chance to learn more
> about the additional features that have been build on top of what
> already is a pretty nice product.
>
> I will see you there!!
>
> Roberto C. Serrano
>
> PS> Feel free to promote the event... and Thank you!
>
> _________________________________
>
> This the 4th conference and the second part of the Android group
> presentation organized by Roberto Serrano in coordination with Chicago
> GTUG's Uki D. Lucas.
>
> Possible topics:
>
> 5:30 pm: Chris McAvoy (Chicago Phython Group)
> - Amazon Cloud Web Services
> 6:00 pm:?Eric Cloninger?(Motorola -?lead in the Motodev Studio Project)
> "Introduction to Motodev Studio development environment for Android"
> 6:40 pm: social break
> 6:45 Uki D. Lucas
> - How Social Media can benefit your business? No nonsense approach
> 7:15 pm: social break
> 7:30 pm:??Richard Li
> - Samsung's Android phone with a cube UI:
> - How to do color based picking in OpenGL
> - How to fire up an Android application based on a 3D event
> - Google NDK with support of native OpenGL ES programming
> - 3D animation with OpenGL ES on Android
>
> There will be?bagels and soft drinks?provided by Uki (sorry beer is
> not allowed this time).
>
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From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 03:30:35 2009
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:30:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Weird Issue with Popen/chdir
Message-ID: <3db160680910281930l3c777aafsc9d7ae2ceec9bade@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am trying to use Popen to run a script in a certain directory. I am using
the cwd argument.  I am on Mac OS 10.5/10.6

My test script is simply:
from subprocess import Popen, PIPE
p = popen("pwd", stdout=PIPE, shell=True, cwd="/etc")
p.wait()
p.communicate()[0]

and it outputs
/private/etc

The same thing happens with os.chdir
I google a bunch with no luck, anyone have any input?

thanks,
Dan
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From mtobis at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 04:05:06 2009
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:05:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Weird Issue with Popen/chdir
In-Reply-To: <3db160680910281930l3c777aafsc9d7ae2ceec9bade@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3db160680910281930l3c777aafsc9d7ae2ceec9bade@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c3aa55550910282005p4b531d93sca2fc95800a539d5@mail.gmail.com>

megatron:~ mt$ ls -l /etc
lrwxr-xr-x@ 1 root  admin  11 Feb 21  2008 /etc -> private/etc

===

iow /etc is linked to /private/etc . They are the same place.

This is a compromise for system robustness. Files under /private are
invisible to Finder to prevent Muggles from noticing them and messing
with things they're better off not knowing about.

More a Mac question than a Python one.

mt

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 04:21:58 2009
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:21:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Weird Issue with Popen/chdir
In-Reply-To: <c3aa55550910282005p4b531d93sca2fc95800a539d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3db160680910281930l3c777aafsc9d7ae2ceec9bade@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3aa55550910282005p4b531d93sca2fc95800a539d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3db160680910282021h599ed92bl619c86a989759e56@mail.gmail.com>

I knew I was missing something.

Thanks
Dan

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Michael Tobis <mtobis at gmail.com> wrote:

> megatron:~ mt$ ls -l /etc
> lrwxr-xr-x@ 1 root  admin  11 Feb 21  2008 /etc -> private/etc
>
> ===
>
> iow /etc is linked to /private/etc . They are the same place.
>
> This is a compromise for system robustness. Files under /private are
> invisible to Finder to prevent Muggles from noticing them and messing
> with things they're better off not knowing about.
>
> More a Mac question than a Python one.
>
> mt
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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 05:13:19 2009
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:13:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Weird Issue with Popen/chdir
In-Reply-To: <c3aa55550910282005p4b531d93sca2fc95800a539d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3db160680910281930l3c777aafsc9d7ae2ceec9bade@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3aa55550910282005p4b531d93sca2fc95800a539d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <694c06d60910282113h6fab837axcb35da758f1176e6@mail.gmail.com>

Do we get to say "Muggles" in this sort of context now?  And should it
be capitalized?  I like it.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Michael Tobis <mtobis at gmail.com> wrote:
> megatron:~ mt$ ls -l /etc
> lrwxr-xr-x@ 1 root ?admin ?11 Feb 21 ?2008 /etc -> private/etc
>
> ===
>
> iow /etc is linked to /private/etc . They are the same place.
>
> This is a compromise for system robustness. Files under /private are
> invisible to Finder to prevent Muggles from noticing them and messing
> with things they're better off not knowing about.
>
> More a Mac question than a Python one.
>
> mt
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From h2 at us.ibm.com  Thu Oct 29 13:01:17 2009
From: h2 at us.ibm.com (Howard Hess)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:01:17 -0400
Subject: [Chicago] AUTO: Howard Hess/Chicago/IBM is out of the office
	(returning 10/30/2009)
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Oct 29 22:14:45 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:14:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Oct vid
Message-ID: <549053140910291414h2b417984if193b7a16d12db5@mail.gmail.com>

"Blender 2.5 loves Python 3"
http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/2784826

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From emperorcezar at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 01:27:29 2009
From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Oct vid
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Looks good. I started watching it though and the audio is quite out of sync.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> "Blender 2.5 loves Python 3"
> http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/2784826
>
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 01:33:36 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Oct vid
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References: <549053140910291414h2b417984if193b7a16d12db5@mail.gmail.com>
	<58a5f2220910291727k38e4db5foe12189f3de2eb2ec@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh hell.. I know whats going on, I thought i checked for that.  thanks.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Adam Jenkins <emperorcezar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Looks good. I started watching it though and the audio is quite out of sync.
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> "Blender 2.5 loves Python 3"
>> http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/2784826
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
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