From bray at sent.com  Mon Feb  2 16:33:17 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:33:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
Message-ID: <D8B8342E-2298-47B0-A7F1-DF03CBB633C9@sent.com>

It's that time again...

Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:

  * Should we ask Brantley to expand on his lightining talk people  
loved so much.
  * I think It would be nice to have a meeting dedicated to Ian  
Bicking and his contribution to ChiPy/Python in the near future.
  * We need to work in more language features in our meetings
  * What should we be doing concerning PyCon at ChiPy meetings
  * What does the number 42 have to do with Python, anyway?
  * Now we are starting to have more scientists in the crowd, should  
we cater some topics in the scientific realm?
  * We covered Python on Mobile, what about python for pure GIS?
  * What does accessing shared memory have to do with Python and multi- 
core systems, anyway?
  * What do these modules have in common and where do I get: hotshot,  
pickle, optparse, urllib, pdb, inspect, subprocess, array, tempfile,  
heapq
  * Topics we have covered in the past that may be worth revisiting:  
testing, packaging python projects, graphing, gui, threads...
  * How do I get the management upstairs to accept Python, or do they  
already?
  * Hey I would switch to Python if it only had ....
  * I never realized Python was embedded in so many places including:   
Games, Text Editors, Database Systems, Wireless, ...
  * Python is about as cool as Lisp for AI programming, because...
  * I fed my dog with Python... and other projects I did with Python  
in my garage.
  * hehe, my kids thinks I taught them how to program computer games  
in Python, when actually I taught them inductive reasoning
  * Gees, if someone would just make the Python docs like the php  
ones, I might switch... and why this will never happen.
  * I wish I had some way to refactor, test and understand some  
obsfucated code.

What about a venue?  I posted the idea on the North Side bar, but got  
no comments.  What other venue options should we consider?

Yes, there are a lot of seeds. But, really we are just looking for  
something you find interesting. Chances are if you find what your  
working on interesting and you want to share, their will be others on  
this list who may find them interesting, as well. Give it a shot.

Thanks,

Brian Ray


From cosmin at offbytwo.com  Mon Feb  2 16:44:25 2009
From: cosmin at offbytwo.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:44:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:

> It's that time again...
>
> Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:
>

I could give a 30 minute or so presentation on packaging Python applications
into standalone apps for OS X and Windows using py2app and py2exe
respectively.

-- 
Cosmin Stejerean
http://offbytwo.com
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From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 16:45:52 2009
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:45:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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I would love to hear about this since I am going to need to deal with it
sooner or later.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Cosmin Stejerean <cosmin at offbytwo.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>
>> It's that time again...
>>
>> Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:
>>
>
> I could give a 30 minute or so presentation on packaging Python
> applications into standalone apps for OS X and Windows using py2app and
> py2exe respectively.
>
> --
> Cosmin Stejerean
> http://offbytwo.com
>
>
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 17:03:48 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:03:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <D8B8342E-2298-47B0-A7F1-DF03CBB633C9@sent.com>
References: <D8B8342E-2298-47B0-A7F1-DF03CBB633C9@sent.com>
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On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
> It's that time again...
>
> Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:

wow, I'm a little intimidated by that list of topics.

One thing to point out is that this will be our 2nd-to-last last
meeting before PyCon -- where did the time go?!  I'd love to get some
feedback and practice for my upcoming PyCon talk, Strategies For
Testing Ajax.  It does not address the number 42 in relation to Python
but might be interesting to anyone working on Ajax websites.  It will
be about 30 min.

_

Strategies For Testing Ajax

As a web developer you are probably familiar with the paradigms of
testing simple web applications. Your test case makes a GET / POST
request, your program responds with an HTML page, and your test
verifies the HTML elements. Unfortunately, today's typical web
application is not so simple! Since modern browsers support
asynchronous JavaScript (Ajax) very well, the HTML response might
deliver program code to run on the client's web browser. The browser's
runtime environment would then interact with your server-side program
(Python, Ruby, Java, etc) and you now have a big problem: How does
your test suite cover both server-side functionality and client-side
functionality?

This talk will use a real Ajax web application (backed by Python) as
an example then offer practical strategies for creating a fast,
scalable test suite to help ensure that each release of such an app
works as intended. It goes beyond just the tools and technologies; it
examines architectural strategies -- how and when to use stubs, how to
design a testable UI, etc -- so that as your application grows in
size, your tests remain fast and effective.

>
>  * Should we ask Brantley to expand on his lightining talk people loved so
> much.
>  * I think It would be nice to have a meeting dedicated to Ian Bicking and
> his contribution to ChiPy/Python in the near future.
>  * We need to work in more language features in our meetings
>  * What should we be doing concerning PyCon at ChiPy meetings
>  * What does the number 42 have to do with Python, anyway?
>  * Now we are starting to have more scientists in the crowd, should we cater
> some topics in the scientific realm?
>  * We covered Python on Mobile, what about python for pure GIS?
>  * What does accessing shared memory have to do with Python and multi-core
> systems, anyway?
>  * What do these modules have in common and where do I get: hotshot, pickle,
> optparse, urllib, pdb, inspect, subprocess, array, tempfile, heapq
>  * Topics we have covered in the past that may be worth revisiting: testing,
> packaging python projects, graphing, gui, threads...
>  * How do I get the management upstairs to accept Python, or do they
> already?
>  * Hey I would switch to Python if it only had ....
>  * I never realized Python was embedded in so many places including:  Games,
> Text Editors, Database Systems, Wireless, ...
>  * Python is about as cool as Lisp for AI programming, because...
>  * I fed my dog with Python... and other projects I did with Python in my
> garage.
>  * hehe, my kids thinks I taught them how to program computer games in
> Python, when actually I taught them inductive reasoning
>  * Gees, if someone would just make the Python docs like the php ones, I
> might switch... and why this will never happen.
>  * I wish I had some way to refactor, test and understand some obsfucated
> code.
>
> What about a venue?  I posted the idea on the North Side bar, but got no
> comments.  What other venue options should we consider?
>
> Yes, there are a lot of seeds. But, really we are just looking for something
> you find interesting. Chances are if you find what your working on
> interesting and you want to share, their will be others on this list who may
> find them interesting, as well. Give it a shot.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Ray
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From wscullin at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 17:31:00 2009
From: wscullin at gmail.com (William Scullin)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:31:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <D8B8342E-2298-47B0-A7F1-DF03CBB633C9@sent.com>
References: <D8B8342E-2298-47B0-A7F1-DF03CBB633C9@sent.com>
Message-ID: <acff52240902020831v50bdaeafk91e69a8cc2fb8bcf@mail.gmail.com>

I've been kind of a lurker, but I'd be willing to talk about Python on
IBM's BlueGene /P. One of my co-workers (or myself) would be more than
willing to talk about our configuration management system, bcfg2,
which is written in Python.

- William

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
> It's that time again...
>
> Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:
>
>  * Should we ask Brantley to expand on his lightining talk people loved so
> much.
>  * I think It would be nice to have a meeting dedicated to Ian Bicking and
> his contribution to ChiPy/Python in the near future.
>  * We need to work in more language features in our meetings
>  * What should we be doing concerning PyCon at ChiPy meetings
>  * What does the number 42 have to do with Python, anyway?
>  * Now we are starting to have more scientists in the crowd, should we cater
> some topics in the scientific realm?
>  * We covered Python on Mobile, what about python for pure GIS?
>  * What does accessing shared memory have to do with Python and multi-core
> systems, anyway?
>  * What do these modules have in common and where do I get: hotshot, pickle,
> optparse, urllib, pdb, inspect, subprocess, array, tempfile, heapq
>  * Topics we have covered in the past that may be worth revisiting: testing,
> packaging python projects, graphing, gui, threads...
>  * How do I get the management upstairs to accept Python, or do they
> already?
>  * Hey I would switch to Python if it only had ....
>  * I never realized Python was embedded in so many places including:  Games,
> Text Editors, Database Systems, Wireless, ...
>  * Python is about as cool as Lisp for AI programming, because...
>  * I fed my dog with Python... and other projects I did with Python in my
> garage.
>  * hehe, my kids thinks I taught them how to program computer games in
> Python, when actually I taught them inductive reasoning
>  * Gees, if someone would just make the Python docs like the php ones, I
> might switch... and why this will never happen.
>  * I wish I had some way to refactor, test and understand some obsfucated
> code.
>
> What about a venue?  I posted the idea on the North Side bar, but got no
> comments.  What other venue options should we consider?
>
> Yes, there are a lot of seeds. But, really we are just looking for something
> you find interesting. Chances are if you find what your working on
> interesting and you want to share, their will be others on this list who may
> find them interesting, as well. Give it a shot.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Ray
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Mon Feb  2 17:36:57 2009
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:36:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <383bbcce0902020744w32d2b25cn7bf615f0dd4c2268@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF87235E5B.430D5DCF-ON86257551.005AF6DF-86257551.005B463C@thoughtworks.com>

Windows and OSX???  Where's the linux love?  I could follow up cosmin's 
talk with a 5 minute (ok, maybe 10) explanation of packaging python for 
ubuntu/debian.







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On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
It's that time again...

Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:

I could give a 30 minute or so presentation on packaging Python 
applications into standalone apps for OS X and Windows using py2app and 
py2exe respectively.

-- 
Cosmin Stejerean
http://offbytwo.com
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From swgithen at mtu.edu  Mon Feb  2 17:41:47 2009
From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:41:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
>
> Windows and OSX???  Where's the linux love?  I could follow up 
> cosmin's talk with a 5 minute (ok, maybe 10) explanation of packaging 
> python for ubuntu/debian.
>
+1  
I thought the same thing.  ( Perhaps then Massimo could add Linux to the 
bundle versions of web2py, live at the meeting!  :p  )

-s
>
>
>
>
>
> *Cosmin Stejerean <cosmin at offbytwo.com>*
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> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Brian Ray <_bray at sent.com_ 
> <mailto:bray at sent.com>> wrote:
> It's that time again...
>
> Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:
>
> I could give a 30 minute or so presentation on packaging Python 
> applications into standalone apps for OS X and Windows using py2app 
> and py2exe respectively.
>
> -- 
> Cosmin Stejerean_
> __http://offbytwo.com_ <http://offbytwo.com/>
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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Mon Feb  2 18:09:19 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:09:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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I'd love too and looking forward to learn how to.

Massimo

On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Steven Githens wrote:

> Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
>>
>> Windows and OSX???  Where's the linux love?  I could follow up
>> cosmin's talk with a 5 minute (ok, maybe 10) explanation of packaging
>> python for ubuntu/debian.
>>
> +1
> I thought the same thing.  ( Perhaps then Massimo could add Linux to  
> the
> bundle versions of web2py, live at the meeting!  :p  )
>
> -s
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Cosmin Stejerean <cosmin at offbytwo.com>*
>> Sent by: chicago-bounces+jcroneme=thoughtworks.com at python.org
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>> 02/02/09 09:44 AM
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>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Brian Ray <_bray at sent.com_
>> <mailto:bray at sent.com>> wrote:
>> It's that time again...
>>
>> Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:
>>
>> I could give a 30 minute or so presentation on packaging Python
>> applications into standalone apps for OS X and Windows using py2app
>> and py2exe respectively.
>>
>> -- 
>> Cosmin Stejerean_
>> __http://offbytwo.com_ <http://offbytwo.com/>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From herbieman2000 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 18:20:24 2009
From: herbieman2000 at gmail.com (Frank Duncan)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:20:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <466467FF-A481-4BA6-910C-2BB2FB9494A7@cs.depaul.edu>
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Hey,

I can give a talk on how to use python to extend vim (as opposed to using
vimscript).  This allows you to do some neat things with asynchronous
communication to various other systems to build a better development
environment.  Or if you aren't into that sort of thing, you can at least
extend vim with less pain and hassle.  I can make that talk as short as 10
minutes (overview, slides with code, basic descriptions) all the way up to
30 minutes (code on the fly, deeper explanation of vim, Common Lisp, etc.).

Thanks,
Frank
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From mtemkin at speakeasy.net  Mon Feb  2 18:25:48 2009
From: mtemkin at speakeasy.net (Marc Temkin)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:25:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Topic idea on COTS and Python
Message-ID: <31B0AC5ECB3F485A93AC4D00CBF3643D@Dreamcatcher2>

Hi,
I think a topic on using Python in order to integrate COTS (Commercial Off
the Shelf) systems would be a useful and interesting subject.  It may
attract some new people to the group.
 
Marc
 

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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Mon Feb  2 19:03:24 2009
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:03:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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+1

I'm a vim user, but never delved into customizing it beyond the usual 
stuff.  Would be cool to have a peek at that sort of stuff.







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Hey,

I can give a talk on how to use python to extend vim (as opposed to using 
vimscript).  This allows you to do some neat things with asynchronous 
communication to various other systems to build a better development 
environment.  Or if you aren't into that sort of thing, you can at least 
extend vim with less pain and hassle.  I can make that talk as short as 10 
minutes (overview, slides with code, basic descriptions) all the way up to 
30 minutes (code on the fly, deeper explanation of vim, Common Lisp, 
etc.).

Thanks,
Frank_______________________________________________
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 00:27:10 2009
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:27:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Module Visualizer?
Message-ID: <3096c19d0902021527s2aefa3d1k52bddbd3ae4a7781@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know of an easy way to visualize a Python Module?

Like with fancy charts, or UML or something?

Chris

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 00:43:53 2009
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (curtin@acm.org)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:43:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Module Visualizer?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0902021527s2aefa3d1k52bddbd3ae4a7781@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902021527s2aefa3d1k52bddbd3ae4a7781@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cf9f31f20902021543h6fddff09j3f3a9885b020f022@mail.gmail.com>

I believe Stani's Python Editor (SPE) had UML generation of a module at one
point (or maybe still does), but my guess is that you don't want to install
an IDE just for that.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone know of an easy way to visualize a Python Module?
>
> Like with fancy charts, or UML or something?
>
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From tprinty at mail.edisonave.net  Tue Feb  3 00:30:32 2009
From: tprinty at mail.edisonave.net (Tom Printy)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:30:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Module Visualizer?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0902021527s2aefa3d1k52bddbd3ae4a7781@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902021527s2aefa3d1k52bddbd3ae4a7781@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49878218.70300@mail.edisonave.net>

I use vi :)

<ducks>

-Tom




Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Anyone know of an easy way to visualize a Python Module?
> 
> Like with fancy charts, or UML or something?
> 
> Chris
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From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 00:59:22 2009
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:59:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Module Visualizer?
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References: <3096c19d0902021527s2aefa3d1k52bddbd3ae4a7781@mail.gmail.com>
	<49878218.70300@mail.edisonave.net>
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I also use vi

<stands tall>

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Tom Printy <tprinty at mail.edisonave.net>wrote:

> I use vi :)
>
> <ducks>
>
> -Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> Chris McAvoy wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of an easy way to visualize a Python Module?
>>
>> Like with fancy charts, or UML or something?
>>
>> Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Feb  3 01:03:27 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:03:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Module Visualizer?
In-Reply-To: <cf9f31f20902021543h6fddff09j3f3a9885b020f022@mail.gmail.com>
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	<cf9f31f20902021543h6fddff09j3f3a9885b020f022@mail.gmail.com>
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Still does.

sudo apt-get install spe
The following extra packages will be installed:
   kiki libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 pychecker python-wxglade python-wxgtk2.6
   winpdb wx2.8-doc

those should be installed anyway.

Carl K


curtin at acm.org wrote:
> I believe Stani's Python Editor (SPE) had UML generation of a module at one
> point (or maybe still does), but my guess is that you don't want to install
> an IDE just for that.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone know of an easy way to visualize a Python Module?
>>
>> Like with fancy charts, or UML or something?
>>
>> Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From jbsnyder at fanplastic.org  Tue Feb  3 04:04:37 2009
From: jbsnyder at fanplastic.org (James Snyder)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:04:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <23776586.181233630073269.JavaMail.jsnyder@erlanger>
Message-ID: <5118164.201233630277901.JavaMail.jsnyder@erlanger>

I could talk about a couple of different areas, depending on level of interest:
- multiprocessing module that is present in 2.6 & 3.0 (and backported to 2.5).  It allows for pretty simple and easy dividing of work into multiple processes.
- NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib in general, recent developments or some interesting modules that depend on these.  I could take this in a few directions depending on how many people are familiar with these tools and at what level.
- Controlling and getting data from Arduino (microcontroller) using Python and Firmata. I could do a couple things here, but It'd probably involve visualizing data collected from sensors in real time (maybe an accelerometer) and/or controlling some servos.

Any interest in those?

-jsnyder


----- "Brian Ray" <bray at sent.com> wrote:

> It's that time again...
> 
> Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:
> 
>   * Should we ask Brantley to expand on his lightining talk people  
> loved so much.
>   * I think It would be nice to have a meeting dedicated to Ian  
> Bicking and his contribution to ChiPy/Python in the near future.
>   * We need to work in more language features in our meetings
>   * What should we be doing concerning PyCon at ChiPy meetings
>   * What does the number 42 have to do with Python, anyway?
>   * Now we are starting to have more scientists in the crowd, should 
> 
> we cater some topics in the scientific realm?
>   * We covered Python on Mobile, what about python for pure GIS?
>   * What does accessing shared memory have to do with Python and
> multi- 
> core systems, anyway?
>   * What do these modules have in common and where do I get: hotshot, 
> 
> pickle, optparse, urllib, pdb, inspect, subprocess, array, tempfile, 
> 
> heapq
>   * Topics we have covered in the past that may be worth revisiting: 
> 
> testing, packaging python projects, graphing, gui, threads...
>   * How do I get the management upstairs to accept Python, or do they 
> 
> already?
>   * Hey I would switch to Python if it only had ....
>   * I never realized Python was embedded in so many places including: 
>  
> Games, Text Editors, Database Systems, Wireless, ...
>   * Python is about as cool as Lisp for AI programming, because...
>   * I fed my dog with Python... and other projects I did with Python 
> 
> in my garage.
>   * hehe, my kids thinks I taught them how to program computer games 
> 
> in Python, when actually I taught them inductive reasoning
>   * Gees, if someone would just make the Python docs like the php  
> ones, I might switch... and why this will never happen.
>   * I wish I had some way to refactor, test and understand some  
> obsfucated code.
> 
> What about a venue?  I posted the idea on the North Side bar, but got 
> 
> no comments.  What other venue options should we consider?
> 
> Yes, there are a lot of seeds. But, really we are just looking for  
> something you find interesting. Chances are if you find what your  
> working on interesting and you want to share, their will be others on 
> 
> this list who may find them interesting, as well. Give it a shot.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian Ray
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From cosmin at offbytwo.com  Tue Feb  3 04:29:35 2009
From: cosmin at offbytwo.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:29:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <5118164.201233630277901.JavaMail.jsnyder@erlanger>
References: <23776586.181233630073269.JavaMail.jsnyder@erlanger>
	<5118164.201233630277901.JavaMail.jsnyder@erlanger>
Message-ID: <383bbcce0902021929uec02e0dqec7f01323832b52a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:04 PM, James Snyder <jbsnyder at fanplastic.org>wrote:

> I could talk about a couple of different areas, depending on level of
> interest:
> - multiprocessing module that is present in 2.6 & 3.0 (and backported to
> 2.5).  It allows for pretty simple and easy dividing of work into multiple
> processes.
> - NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib in general, recent developments or some
> interesting modules that depend on these.  I could take this in a few
> directions depending on how many people are familiar with these tools and at
> what level.
> - Controlling and getting data from Arduino (microcontroller) using Python
> and Firmata. I could do a couple things here, but It'd probably involve
> visualizing data collected from sensors in real time (maybe an
> accelerometer) and/or controlling some servos.
>
>
+1 on all 3 topics.


-- 
Cosmin Stejerean
http://offbytwo.com
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From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Feb  3 04:55:41 2009
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:55:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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References: <D8B8342E-2298-47B0-A7F1-DF03CBB633C9@sent.com>
Message-ID: <b654cd2e0902021955i59e53844pe758fa01a3e8886f@mail.gmail.com>

Also: I think we've reached consensus that we should have a short non-Python
presentation.  Ideally not a programming-language presentation at all.  We
just need someone to step up to be off topic.

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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 05:25:10 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:25:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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References: <D8B8342E-2298-47B0-A7F1-DF03CBB633C9@sent.com>
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On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
> Also: I think we've reached consensus that we should have a short non-Python
> presentation.  Ideally not a programming-language presentation at all.  We
> just need someone to step up to be off topic.

Agreed!  There was mention at the bar once about a presentation on the
art of brewing beer.  But the general idea was just to have one
non-Python presentation, it could be anything.

Also, I think we have reached critical mass of talk proposals so
perhaps it is time to stack them all up and put it to a vote?  As for
number of talks, we know that each ChiPy meeting is always better than
the last, but to risk a meeting that may be
only-slightly-better-than-the-last I vote we keep talks to a maximum
of 60 minutes total (two 30 min talks or the equivalent in lightning
talks).  Unless someone convinces me that we can go 90 minutes.

Kumar

From g at rrett.us.com  Tue Feb  3 05:34:53 2009
From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:34:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <5118164.201233630277901.JavaMail.jsnyder@erlanger>
Message-ID: <1154615167.2273761233635693102.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com>

> - NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib in general, recent developments or some
> interesting modules that depend on these.  I could take this in a few
> directions depending on how many people are familiar with these tools
> and at what level.

+1

> - Controlling and getting data from Arduino (microcontroller) using
> Python and Firmata. I could do a couple things here, but It'd probably
> involve visualizing data collected from sensors in real time (maybe an
> accelerometer) and/or controlling some servos.

+1 if you can build a robot during the talk, +2 if the robot shoots fire in some way

From allan2600 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 06:54:55 2009
From: allan2600 at gmail.com (Allan Spale)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 23:54:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Module Visualizer?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0902021527s2aefa3d1k52bddbd3ae4a7781@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902021527s2aefa3d1k52bddbd3ae4a7781@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79acc5430902022154o2db0cfedud5683bff9acf2908@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I remember seeing code generated using Doxygen (
http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/docblocks.html) which is mostly for C++
and Java. Doxygen is not UML but a good graph that will provide a simple
visualization of class structure.

A quick Google search revealed that there is a way to get doxygen to work
with Python (or so the website says). Still, it is worth a try. Here is the
link:
http://internetducttape.com/2007/03/20/automatic_documentation_python_doxygen/.
Further inspection of the Doxygen website reveals support for Python.


Allan


On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone know of an easy way to visualize a Python Module?
>
> Like with fancy charts, or UML or something?
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From cosmin at offbytwo.com  Tue Feb  3 16:00:50 2009
From: cosmin at offbytwo.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:00:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <b571660a0902022025h415a9814gd1fa6e41b8ed7083@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D8B8342E-2298-47B0-A7F1-DF03CBB633C9@sent.com>
	<b654cd2e0902021955i59e53844pe758fa01a3e8886f@mail.gmail.com>
	<b571660a0902022025h415a9814gd1fa6e41b8ed7083@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <383bbcce0902030700i7cc46f30nb8672a9202685ffe@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
> > Also: I think we've reached consensus that we should have a short
> non-Python
> > presentation.  Ideally not a programming-language presentation at all.
>  We
> > just need someone to step up to be off topic.
>
> Agreed!  There was mention at the bar once about a presentation on the
> art of brewing beer.  But the general idea was just to have one
> non-Python presentation, it could be anything.
>
> Also, I think we have reached critical mass of talk proposals so
> perhaps it is time to stack them all up and put it to a vote?  As for
> number of talks, we know that each ChiPy meeting is always better than
> the last, but to risk a meeting that may be
> only-slightly-better-than-the-last I vote we keep talks to a maximum
> of 60 minutes total (two 30 min talks or the equivalent in lightning
> talks).  Unless someone convinces me that we can go 90 minutes.
>

The faster the presentations end the sooner we can grab some beer, but 60
minutes total sounds pretty short. Given that we only get to do this every
month and the high number of interesting topics that have been proposed I
don't see anything wrong with 1.5 or 2 hours. Does anyone else think that
having presentations from say 7 to 9 is too long?

-- 
Cosmin Stejerean
http://offbytwo.com
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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Feb  3 16:15:50 2009
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:15:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <5118164.201233630277901.JavaMail.jsnyder@erlanger>
Message-ID: <OFC8BCDB6D.C2656D39-ON86257552.0053BC56-86257552.0053D9A3@thoughtworks.com>

Hooray for the Arduino + python talk.  I've got an arduino that I should 
probably do something cool with.  Maybe I can get some ideas.






James Snyder <jbsnyder at fanplastic.org> 
Sent by: chicago-bounces+jcroneme=thoughtworks.com at python.org
02/02/09 09:04 PM
Please respond to
The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>


To
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cc

Subject
Re: [Chicago] February Meeting






I could talk about a couple of different areas, depending on level of 
interest:
- multiprocessing module that is present in 2.6 & 3.0 (and backported to 
2.5).  It allows for pretty simple and easy dividing of work into multiple 
processes.
- NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib in general, recent developments or some 
interesting modules that depend on these.  I could take this in a few 
directions depending on how many people are familiar with these tools and 
at what level.
- Controlling and getting data from Arduino (microcontroller) using Python 
and Firmata. I could do a couple things here, but It'd probably involve 
visualizing data collected from sensors in real time (maybe an 
accelerometer) and/or controlling some servos.

Any interest in those?

-jsnyder


----- "Brian Ray" <bray at sent.com> wrote:

> It's that time again...
> 
> Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:
> 
>   * Should we ask Brantley to expand on his lightining talk people 
> loved so much.
>   * I think It would be nice to have a meeting dedicated to Ian 
> Bicking and his contribution to ChiPy/Python in the near future.
>   * We need to work in more language features in our meetings
>   * What should we be doing concerning PyCon at ChiPy meetings
>   * What does the number 42 have to do with Python, anyway?
>   * Now we are starting to have more scientists in the crowd, should 
> 
> we cater some topics in the scientific realm?
>   * We covered Python on Mobile, what about python for pure GIS?
>   * What does accessing shared memory have to do with Python and
> multi- 
> core systems, anyway?
>   * What do these modules have in common and where do I get: hotshot, 
> 
> pickle, optparse, urllib, pdb, inspect, subprocess, array, tempfile, 
> 
> heapq
>   * Topics we have covered in the past that may be worth revisiting: 
> 
> testing, packaging python projects, graphing, gui, threads...
>   * How do I get the management upstairs to accept Python, or do they 
> 
> already?
>   * Hey I would switch to Python if it only had ....
>   * I never realized Python was embedded in so many places including: 
> 
> Games, Text Editors, Database Systems, Wireless, ...
>   * Python is about as cool as Lisp for AI programming, because...
>   * I fed my dog with Python... and other projects I did with Python 
> 
> in my garage.
>   * hehe, my kids thinks I taught them how to program computer games 
> 
> in Python, when actually I taught them inductive reasoning
>   * Gees, if someone would just make the Python docs like the php 
> ones, I might switch... and why this will never happen.
>   * I wish I had some way to refactor, test and understand some 
> obsfucated code.
> 
> What about a venue?  I posted the idea on the North Side bar, but got 
> 
> no comments.  What other venue options should we consider?
> 
> Yes, there are a lot of seeds. But, really we are just looking for 
> something you find interesting. Chances are if you find what your 
> working on interesting and you want to share, their will be others on 
> 
> this list who may find them interesting, as well. Give it a shot.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian Ray
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
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From jordan at widefido.com  Tue Feb  3 16:18:44 2009
From: jordan at widefido.com (Jordan Sherer)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:18:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <OFC8BCDB6D.C2656D39-ON86257552.0053BC56-86257552.0053D9A3@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OFC8BCDB6D.C2656D39-ON86257552.0053BC56-86257552.0053D9A3@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <D014A3D8-A6D9-49BA-9D89-E739F95919C1@widefido.com>

Definitely. I'll bring mine. I have a couple, so if anybody wants to  
play with them, we can fire up a couple IDE's and play with the  
sensors. Maybe we can come up with some new and fun projects.

Best,
Jordan


On Feb 3, 2009, at Feb 3   9:15 AM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:

>
> Hooray for the Arduino + python talk.  I've got an arduino that I  
> should probably do something cool with.  Maybe I can get some ideas.
>
> <mime-attachment.jpeg>
>
>
>
> James Snyder <jbsnyder at fanplastic.org>
> Sent by: chicago-bounces+jcroneme=thoughtworks.com at python.org
> 02/02/09 09:04 PM
> Please respond to
> The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
>
> To
> The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> cc
> Subject
> Re: [Chicago] February Meeting
>
>
>
>
>
> I could talk about a couple of different areas, depending on level  
> of interest:
> - multiprocessing module that is present in 2.6 & 3.0 (and  
> backported to 2.5).  It allows for pretty simple and easy dividing  
> of work into multiple processes.
> - NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib in general, recent developments or  
> some interesting modules that depend on these.  I could take this in  
> a few directions depending on how many people are familiar with  
> these tools and at what level.
> - Controlling and getting data from Arduino (microcontroller) using  
> Python and Firmata. I could do a couple things here, but It'd  
> probably involve visualizing data collected from sensors in real  
> time (maybe an accelerometer) and/or controlling some servos.
>
> Any interest in those?
>
> -jsnyder
>
>
> ----- "Brian Ray" <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>
> > It's that time again...
> >
> > Who has something interesting to present?  A couple random thoughts:
> >
> >   * Should we ask Brantley to expand on his lightining talk people
> > loved so much.
> >   * I think It would be nice to have a meeting dedicated to Ian
> > Bicking and his contribution to ChiPy/Python in the near future.
> >   * We need to work in more language features in our meetings
> >   * What should we be doing concerning PyCon at ChiPy meetings
> >   * What does the number 42 have to do with Python, anyway?
> >   * Now we are starting to have more scientists in the crowd, should
> >
> > we cater some topics in the scientific realm?
> >   * We covered Python on Mobile, what about python for pure GIS?
> >   * What does accessing shared memory have to do with Python and
> > multi-
> > core systems, anyway?
> >   * What do these modules have in common and where do I get:  
> hotshot,
> >
> > pickle, optparse, urllib, pdb, inspect, subprocess, array, tempfile,
> >
> > heapq
> >   * Topics we have covered in the past that may be worth revisiting:
> >
> > testing, packaging python projects, graphing, gui, threads...
> >   * How do I get the management upstairs to accept Python, or do  
> they
> >
> > already?
> >   * Hey I would switch to Python if it only had ....
> >   * I never realized Python was embedded in so many places  
> including:
> >
> > Games, Text Editors, Database Systems, Wireless, ...
> >   * Python is about as cool as Lisp for AI programming, because...
> >   * I fed my dog with Python... and other projects I did with Python
> >
> > in my garage.
> >   * hehe, my kids thinks I taught them how to program computer games
> >
> > in Python, when actually I taught them inductive reasoning
> >   * Gees, if someone would just make the Python docs like the php
> > ones, I might switch... and why this will never happen.
> >   * I wish I had some way to refactor, test and understand some
> > obsfucated code.
> >
> > What about a venue?  I posted the idea on the North Side bar, but  
> got
> >
> > no comments.  What other venue options should we consider?
> >
> > Yes, there are a lot of seeds. But, really we are just looking for
> > something you find interesting. Chances are if you find what your
> > working on interesting and you want to share, their will be others  
> on
> >
> > this list who may find them interesting, as well. Give it a shot.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Ray
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

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From mtemkin at speakeasy.net  Tue Feb  3 16:23:33 2009
From: mtemkin at speakeasy.net (Marc Temkin)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:23:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Re off-topic topic
Message-ID: <F3A122BFCA1E4CDC86F42B66A5EDEB2E@Dreamcatcher2>

Hi,
I could talk on either one of these topics at the upcoming or future
meetings:
 
1) How to give a better presentation : Your presentation is part stand-up,
part lecture and plays to the audience
 
or
 
2) Master the domains: how to use site specifiers to improve your searches
and to become aware of useful structured internet domains.
 
Marc
 

Marc Temkin

7410 N. Talman

Chicago IL 60645-1412

773-274-6544

Email:mtemkin at speakeasy.net

 

 
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From tottinge at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 16:53:40 2009
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:53:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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James Snyder wrote:
> I could talk about a couple of different areas, depending on level of interest:
> - multiprocessing module that is present in 2.6 & 3.0 (and backported to 2.5).  It allows for pretty simple and easy dividing of work into multiple processes.
> - NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib in general, recent developments or some interesting modules that depend on these.  I could take this in a few directions depending on how many people are familiar with these tools and at what level.
> - Controlling and getting data from Arduino (microcontroller) using Python and Firmata. I could do a couple things here, but It'd probably involve visualizing data collected from sensors in real time (maybe an accelerometer) and/or controlling some servos.
>
> Any interest in those?
>
>   
I think I'd be interested in *any* of those, but a module review of 
multiprocessing is the most practical and getting an acellerometer demo 
with data collection/plotting/etc would be coolest.

From tottinge at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 16:54:25 2009
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:54:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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Ian Bicking wrote:
> Also: I think we've reached consensus that we should have a short 
> non-Python presentation.  Ideally not a programming-language 
> presentation at all.  We just need someone to step up to be off topic.
I'm a moderately-well known agile coach.  If that is interesting to anyone.

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 18:50:14 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:50:14 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: Fudge: python mock / stub framework
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Hi all
(sorry about the x-post ye Thunderbird users)

I'm excited to announced the release of Fudge, a Python module for
replacing real objects with fakes (mocks, stubs, etc) while testing.

http://farmdev.com/projects/fudge/
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fudge

Fudge started when a co-worker introduced me to Mocha [1], a mocking
framework for Ruby and a simpler version of jMock (Java).  More
rambling about all that is here:
http://farmdev.com/thoughts/70/fudge-another-python-mock-framework/

Yes, I know it's yet another mock framework.  I talk about how Fudge
compares to the others here:
http://farmdev.com/projects/fudge/why-fudge.html

[1] http://mocha.rubyforge.org/

have fun,
Kumar

From jason at jrandolph.com  Tue Feb  3 19:04:45 2009
From: jason at jrandolph.com (Jason Huggins)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:04:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Josh Cronemeyer
<jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
> Hooray for the Arduino + python talk.  I've got an arduino that I should
> probably do something cool with.  Maybe I can get some ideas.

My "20%" project at Google was to create an Ambient Orb clone using
Python and Arduino. I open-sourced it right before I left... but I
never told anyone about it.
http://code.google.com/p/orbison/

Making your own orb for continuous build monitoring is pretty fun and
pretty cheap (about $50)... Maybe I could do a demo of mine?

I'm really proud of how I tested it, too... I used the MacBook's
built-in camera for "system testing" the orb. For example, when I told
the orb to set to "blue".. I would then take a snapshot and analyze
the RGB color values of the snapshot to see if the orb was telling the
truth. (Which leads to *totally* hilarious "how many MacBooks do you
need to change a lightbulb" jokes.)

cheers,
   hugs

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 19:13:15 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:13:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Jason Huggins <jason at jrandolph.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Josh Cronemeyer
> <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hooray for the Arduino + python talk.  I've got an arduino that I should
>> probably do something cool with.  Maybe I can get some ideas.
>
> My "20%" project at Google was to create an Ambient Orb clone using
> Python and Arduino. I open-sourced it right before I left... but I
> never told anyone about it.
> http://code.google.com/p/orbison/

Orbison, best name ever!  I am a big +1 for any talk on Arduino boards
and Python.

>
> Making your own orb for continuous build monitoring is pretty fun and
> pretty cheap (about $50)... Maybe I could do a demo of mine?
>
> I'm really proud of how I tested it, too... I used the MacBook's
> built-in camera for "system testing" the orb. For example, when I told
> the orb to set to "blue".. I would then take a snapshot and analyze
> the RGB color values of the snapshot to see if the orb was telling the
> truth. (Which leads to *totally* hilarious "how many MacBooks do you
> need to change a lightbulb" jokes.)
>
> cheers,
>   hugs
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Feb  3 20:18:18 2009
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:18:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: Fudge: python mock / stub framework
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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all
> (sorry about the x-post ye Thunderbird users)
>
> I'm excited to announced the release of Fudge, a Python module for
> replacing real objects with fakes (mocks, stubs, etc) while testing.
>
> http://farmdev.com/projects/fudge/
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/fudge
>
> Fudge started when a co-worker introduced me to Mocha [1], a mocking
> framework for Ruby and a simpler version of jMock (Java).  More
> rambling about all that is here:
> http://farmdev.com/thoughts/70/fudge-another-python-mock-framework/
>
> Yes, I know it's yet another mock framework.  I talk about how Fudge
> compares to the others here:
> http://farmdev.com/projects/fudge/why-fudge.html
>

In the latest release of minimock (1.1) instead of simply logging everything
to stdout, it can write to a MockTracker, and you can use it from unittest.

It doesn't deal with expectations directly, but I'm not sure what that would
add over checking that expectations after the run?  I guess that's the same
criticism as for mock?

Looking at pyMock, I wonder if the clever use of sys.settrace could be used
for some not-quite-mocking tests, especially applying tests to code that
wasn't written to be testable.

-- 
Ian Bicking  |  http://blog.ianbicking.org
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From jbsnyder at fanplastic.org  Tue Feb  3 19:54:04 2009
From: jbsnyder at fanplastic.org (James Snyder)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:54:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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So, it sounds like robots are popular :-)  Technically, it might be  
possible to mix all of these talk ideas together, including the OT  
beer talk in the following form:

Using Python to Simultaneously Analyze Data, Make Beer and Conquer the  
World With Fire Breathing Robots

However, I think that might be either a bit convoluted or  
overambitious (though I could make a case for how they all tie  
together).  Instead, what I could do is walk through some examples of  
how to fire up an Arduino with Firmata enabled, do a little bit of  
control and data capture, and then maybe show a demo of something a  
bit more complicated that builds on that (maybe a little robot, or an  
accelerometer-based control for pygame?).  This could provide a simple  
taste for using NumPy and matplotlib (for handling data coming back  
from sensors), and I could give a talk more focused on scientific  
tools the following month.

If people bring their own Arduinos we could have some hands on and  
maybe have people play around with things a little bit.  It's actually  
pretty easy to get started with a python interpreter, pySerial and a  
basic python-firmata module.  This might be one case where having the  
meeting at a bar might be convenient (people could play around with  
things without having to move between the presentation location and a  
bar), though all beverages should maintain a safe minimum distance  
from the electronics.

I'm also still up for doing a Beer talk in the coming months, as well.

-jsnyder

On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Garrett Smith wrote:

>> - NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib in general, recent developments or some
>> interesting modules that depend on these.  I could take this in a few
>> directions depending on how many people are familiar with these tools
>> and at what level.
>
> +1
>
>> - Controlling and getting data from Arduino (microcontroller) using
>> Python and Firmata. I could do a couple things here, but It'd  
>> probably
>> involve visualizing data collected from sensors in real time (maybe  
>> an
>> accelerometer) and/or controlling some servos.
>
> +1 if you can build a robot during the talk, +2 if the robot shoots  
> fire in some way


On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Jordan Sherer wrote:
> Definitely. I'll bring mine. I have a couple, so if anybody wants to  
> play with them, we can fire up a couple IDE's and play with the  
> sensors. Maybe we can come up with some new and fun projects.


On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Josh Cronemeyer wrote:
>
> Hooray for the Arduino + python talk.  I've got an arduino that I  
> should probably do something cool with.  Maybe I can get some ideas.



On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Tim Ottinger wrote:
> I think I'd be interested in *any* of those, but a module review of  
> multiprocessing is the most practical and getting an acellerometer  
> demo with data collection/plotting/etc would be coolest.


--
James Snyder
Biomedical Engineering
Northwestern University
jbsnyder at fanplastic.org
http://fanplastic.org/key.txt
ph: (847) 644-2322

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From jbsnyder at fanplastic.org  Tue Feb  3 20:22:30 2009
From: jbsnyder at fanplastic.org (James Snyder)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:22:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting
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Neat.  That would be great if you'd like to bring it :-)

As far as testing goes, usually I just trust the device if it can give  
me appropriate responses back over serial. I never considered that it  
might lie to me, and you've covered another angle there :-)  However,  
what do you do if the MacBook and Arduino are in cahoots?

-jsnyder

On Feb 3, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Jason Huggins wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Josh Cronemeyer
> <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hooray for the Arduino + python talk.  I've got an arduino that I  
>> should
>> probably do something cool with.  Maybe I can get some ideas.
>
> My "20%" project at Google was to create an Ambient Orb clone using
> Python and Arduino. I open-sourced it right before I left... but I
> never told anyone about it.
> http://code.google.com/p/orbison/
>
> Making your own orb for continuous build monitoring is pretty fun and
> pretty cheap (about $50)... Maybe I could do a demo of mine?
>
> I'm really proud of how I tested it, too... I used the MacBook's
> built-in camera for "system testing" the orb. For example, when I told
> the orb to set to "blue".. I would then take a snapshot and analyze
> the RGB color values of the snapshot to see if the orb was telling the
> truth. (Which leads to *totally* hilarious "how many MacBooks do you
> need to change a lightbulb" jokes.)
>
> cheers,
>   hugs
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

--
James Snyder
Biomedical Engineering
Northwestern University
jbsnyder at fanplastic.org
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From mtemkin at speakeasy.net  Tue Feb  3 20:49:22 2009
From: mtemkin at speakeasy.net (Marc Temkin)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:49:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] I like the arduinos + robots idea
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I like the arduinos + robots idea. There are some groups at the high-school
level that would find this real interesting and I can reach them.

Marc Temkin 


From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 20:56:08 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:56:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: Fudge: python mock / stub framework
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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
> In the latest release of minimock (1.1) instead of simply logging everything
> to stdout, it can write to a MockTracker, and you can use it from unittest.

ah, I don't think that was there when I last peeked at minimock

>
> It doesn't deal with expectations directly, but I'm not sure what that would
> add over checking that expectations after the run?  I guess that's the same
> criticism as for mock?

I have a lot of non-framework mock code that checks expectations after
the run (post mortem approach).  I don't like this as much, just seems
like too much work.  You don't really gain any benefits that I can
think of.

With the declarative approach (jMock, fudge) you have to be careful to
always call fudge.stop() and possibly fudge.clear_expectations() since
there is a global registry.  I think that's what most people are
annoyed with who prefer the post mortem approach.  So far, I am not
annoyed by this but there's still time :)

>
> Looking at pyMock, I wonder if the clever use of sys.settrace could be used
> for some not-quite-mocking tests, especially applying tests to code that
> wasn't written to be testable.

yeah, possibly.  Scotch does something similar to produce twill tests
from a real user browsing a website
(http://darcs.idyll.org/~t/projects/scotch/doc/).  The catch with the
record / playback is you need to actually run the code (which may not
always be feasible, say, if you are trying to produce an obscure SOAP
fault in a web service or something).  Also, what you get out of it is
typically a regression test.  I have a love / hate relationship with
regression tests.  They seem to pile up and can slow down a test suite
over time.  I much prefer to fix a bug by adding failing unit tests
for those units at fault as opposed to making some sort of black box
functional test that reproduces the bug.  Sometimes you need that
black box test though to help locate the culprit.

Kumar

>
> --
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>
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>

From allan2600 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 22:03:34 2009
From: allan2600 at gmail.com (Allan Spale)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:03:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] I like the arduinos + robots idea
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Hi Marc,

I have actually done some work with various microcontrollers (mostly
BasicStamp) in an academic setting. The department where I used to do IT
work had a professor that used Java tools for the Arduino. I did not get to
do too much with Python, but on some other projects I did. The department
had a specialization with microcontrollers in industrial design and computer
graphics (new media / interactive art). I would be interested in hearing
more about your background in this area.


Allan



On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Marc Temkin <mtemkin at speakeasy.net> wrote:

> I like the arduinos + robots idea. There are some groups at the high-school
> level that would find this real interesting and I can reach them.
>
> Marc Temkin
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Feb  3 22:23:25 2009
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:23:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Re off-topic topic
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Nice, an off-topic topic suggestion thread. thanks.

Things I am interested in hearing about:

* how to change the world, for shy people.

For example, I would like to help tutor kids. But I am shy. Someone
could give a talk with ideas for midly non-social ways to help
tutoring occur. but not necessarily in person.

* how to change the radio, by Kumar

* citizen-programmer journalism, by that guy who keeps mentioning that program

* chocolate for lispers, by Frank

-- 
sheila

From tim.saylor at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 22:40:20 2009
From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:40:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Re off-topic topic
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Someone mentioned a beer brewing talk in the other thread.  Theres a
guy who's done a talk on that a couple times in the Chicago LUG and I
could probably convince him to give it at ChiPy.

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com> wrote:
> Nice, an off-topic topic suggestion thread. thanks.
>
> Things I am interested in hearing about:
>
> * how to change the world, for shy people.
>
> For example, I would like to help tutor kids. But I am shy. Someone
> could give a talk with ideas for midly non-social ways to help
> tutoring occur. but not necessarily in person.
>
> * how to change the radio, by Kumar
>
> * citizen-programmer journalism, by that guy who keeps mentioning that program
>
> * chocolate for lispers, by Frank
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From shekay at pobox.com  Tue Feb  3 22:49:23 2009
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:49:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Re off-topic topic
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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Someone mentioned a beer brewing talk in the other thread.  Theres a
> guy who's done a talk on that a couple times in the Chicago LUG and I
> could probably convince him to give it at ChiPy.

I'd like this topic too. and I'd like to hear about mead too.


-- 
sheila

From christianzlong at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 17:42:31 2009
From: christianzlong at yahoo.com (Christian Long)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:42:31 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Video of January meeting?
Message-ID: <49872277.6000201@yahoo.com>

Is there video available of the January 2009 meeting? My quick search 
was not fruitful.

Thanks,

Christian


From tprinty at mail.edisonave.net  Wed Feb  4 00:21:46 2009
From: tprinty at mail.edisonave.net (Tom Printy)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:21:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Metra Rail schedule -> sql db
In-Reply-To: <93CF2F0B-2B69-4475-A6FC-7CC5AF695309@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <49138669.9020203@mail.edisonave.net>	<a68ced640811070801v41043b64n580d1e9e17cf0df9@mail.gmail.com>	<F447F31F-92AD-4FEA-9DA7-7CE3D8B282F9@cs.depaul.edu>
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Hi Massimo,

Thanks for providing this code. Is there a way that I can just run this 
from the command line?

I would like to do something like
./getMetra.py
./createSQL.py

createSQL.py is your db.py but I am not sure how to include web2py

-Tom



Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
> The MetraSchedule app is running here:
> 
>     http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/MetraSchedule
> 
> The source code is here:
> 
>     http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/appliances/default/show/44
> 
> Somewhere in the tar file is the scraper code that stores the data in DB.
> 
> Massimo
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I can send my code but not today. I am in a meeting until
>> tomorrow. I can send it sunday.
>>
>> Massimo
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:01 AM, sheila miguez wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Tom Printy
>>> <tprinty at mail.edisona
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Wed Feb  4 00:23:54 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:23:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Metra Rail schedule -> sql db
In-Reply-To: <4988D18A.9040807@mail.edisonave.net>
References: <49138669.9020203@mail.edisonave.net>
	<a68ced640811070801v41043b64n580d1e9e17cf0df9@mail.gmail.com>
	<F447F31F-92AD-4FEA-9DA7-7CE3D8B282F9@cs.depaul.edu>
	<93CF2F0B-2B69-4475-A6FC-7CC5AF695309@cs.depaul.edu>
	<4988D18A.9040807@mail.edisonave.net>
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yes.

python web2py.py -S [appname] -M /path/to/script.py

web2py.py for more options

Massimo

On Feb 3, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Tom Printy wrote:

> Hi Massimo,
>
> Thanks for providing this code. Is there a way that I can just run  
> this
> from the command line?
>
> I would like to do something like
> ./getMetra.py
> ./createSQL.py
>
> createSQL.py is your db.py but I am not sure how to include web2py
>
> -Tom
>
>
>
> Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
>> The MetraSchedule app is running here:
>>
>>    http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/MetraSchedule
>>
>> The source code is here:
>>
>>    http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/appliances/default/show/44
>>
>> Somewhere in the tar file is the scraper code that stores the data  
>> in DB.
>>
>> Massimo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I can send my code but not today. I am in a meeting until
>>> tomorrow. I can send it sunday.
>>>
>>> Massimo
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2008, at 10:01 AM, sheila miguez wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Tom Printy
>>>> <tprinty at mail.edisona
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Wed Feb  4 00:44:10 2009
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:44:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Re off-topic topic
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640902031349i281cec01p12fcc6317c736796@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF2F53DC11.FF030E23-ON86257552.008253BA-86257552.0082632A@thoughtworks.com>

I'm only for the beer brewing talk it he brings homebrew for everyone.  :)





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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Someone mentioned a beer brewing talk in the other thread.  Theres a
> guy who's done a talk on that a couple times in the Chicago LUG and I
> could probably convince him to give it at ChiPy.

I'd like this topic too. and I'd like to hear about mead too.


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From jsudlow at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 01:35:13 2009
From: jsudlow at gmail.com (Jon Sudlow)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:35:13 -0600
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I just watched a history channel sunday program about beer brewing. I would
be highly interested.

On 2/3/09, Josh Cronemeyer <jcroneme at thoughtworks.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm only for the beer brewing talk it he brings homebrew for everyone.  :)
>
>
>
>
>   *sheila miguez <shekay at pobox.com>*
> Sent by: chicago-bounces+jcroneme=thoughtworks.com at python.org
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> 02/03/09 03:49 PM   Please respond to
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>
>    To
> The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>  cc
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> Re: [Chicago] Re off-topic topic
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Someone mentioned a beer brewing talk in the other thread.  Theres a
> > guy who's done a talk on that a couple times in the Chicago LUG and I
> > could probably convince him to give it at ChiPy.
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> I'd like this topic too. and I'd like to hear about mead too.
>
>
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From bray at sent.com  Wed Feb  4 17:47:40 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:47:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Our wiki
Message-ID: <66F8113D-6780-45AC-94C8-021B39130707@sent.com>

We finally are upgrading our wiki at http://chipy.org

The site may be up and down today and tomorrow.

Thanks,

Brian Ray




From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 20:36:06 2009
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:36:06 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] Python for Teachers (Pycon promo from Portland, long)
Message-ID: <f604188c0902041136g656d53f4nbb8c8a51ddf6e907@mail.gmail.com>

So the horses are out of the gate [0] and I'm running dead last (did I
hear someone say "running"?).

Sorry Steve (he's the jockey).  Maybe there's still time to rent that blimp?[1]

Here's a link to me blog (yar!) bristling with follow-up links, re our
agenda in Portland (open source capital), getting some good results,
including from our (reputedly strong) public school system:

http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2009/01/wanderers-2008128.html
(meeting with Lew Frederick, our own Vernon Jordon Jr. i.e. a
respected Portland power broker)

(we have a new superintendent, sympathetic to our OS Bridge efforts to
connect K-12 to our burgeoning open source culture, attracting new
immigrants from your state etc., lots of good skills [2]).

http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2006/09/yar.html
(explaining about "yar!" for people who don't know Portland that well)

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1128/p03s02-ussc.html
(Portland as open source capital)

So how do we motivate rank and file math teachers in the midwest to
drop those hamster-brained calculators and pick up the real deal:  a
machine executable math notation (MN per Iverson, cite
http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/Bibliography)?

Philosophers from Leibniz through Ada and Bush (Vannevar --
anticipated Google in 1945) have dreamed of math languages wherein you
describe reality in some way, then have them automate human affairs in
some way, not to "replace" human intelligence (AI scifi, kinda dumb)
but rather to supplement and augment it (what's really the case, right
now today -- a dream come true).

"So that's where OO comes in, boyz and grrlz: the new toyz (long
anticipated logics) have arrived" -- might be our message, not
slighting the lambda calculus folk, who tend to snobberize vs. OO
(there was a time when Schemers considered OO a threat, but now they
love Ruby they tell me).

As I was posting to math.teaching.technology at the Math Forum recently:

"""
Any school serious about grooming kids for Silicon
Forest jobs (this'd be that -- Greater Portland,
spreading to Bend and Ashland to the south, Redmond to
the north (Space Needle an icon) [1]) is going to be
phasing in some executable math languages to supplement
the typeset ones (e.g. Ruby, Python... J, MathCad).
"""

http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=6596176&tstart=0
(i.e. yet more about how we teach mathematics to wannabe silicon
foresters, via Saturday Academy, Oregon Curriculum Network, LEP High,
Winterhaven etc. etc.).

Anyway, if any of you have connections in the Chicago school system,
maybe send 'em a heads up, like maybe a link to this open letter to
our new school superintendent, saved at our Wanderers Wiki?:

https://wanderers.pbwiki.com/PyconPromo

(plus here's some recent OS Bridge marketing, using simple Google
appengine:  osgarden.appspot.com )

What if you're not a math teacher?

Probably none of you are (although I would argue if you use Python,
you teach it, and given Python is an executable MN ("math notation" --
Iverson), you're thereby a math teacher (certifiably).

Understanding "math" in its modern 'Godel Escher Bach' sense of being
alphanumeric, not just arithmetical e.g. "regular expression" are a
valid math topic just as surely as any language game logic -- don't
let anyone tell ya different. :)

So let me assure you more private sector corporate types that our
'Python for Teachers' is *not* just for rank and file high school math
teachers who need to polish their skills (or be left behind big time).

I'm from the private sector myself, work through Saturday Academy and
PPS to spread "Pythonic math", but am effective in so doing in large
degree because of my ongoing connections to "the real world" (i.e. the
actual job market).

Anyone interested in leading a corporate training might get value from this.

My angle is anyone who *uses* Python is also *a teacher* of Python (if
only to herself), and I'm aiming to pass along a lot of heuristics
I've found to be effective (as is Steve).

For example:

We say "everything as in object in Python" which is smart, good to
show dir(1) i.e. int type "has guts", and "".join(['c','a','t'])
invokes a method on the empty string object i.e. even lowly 1 and ""
are objects in the sense of "containing smarts" (lots of blueprints go
into 'em).[3]

However, those special names (which are everywhere, especially at the
primitive level) look pretty weird, yet you need 'em for the most
basic of basics:  birth.  Talking about the __init__ constructor.

So here's my "hello world" in Pythonic Math (we're starting here, not
"getting to it in CS2" like the dinos do):

class Biotum:

    def __init__(self):
        self.stomach = []

    def __repr__(self):
        return "Biotum @ ", id(self)

    def eat(self, food):
        self.stomach.append(food)

    def poop(self):
        if len(self.stomach) > 1:
            return stomach.pop(0)

That's really early, at the "hello world" level.

It's not like we spend a year teaching procedural programming first.

It's more like we look at some YouTubes of biota (!) and then say "if
you're a biologist looking for some kind of executable math notation
to describe biota, wouldn't this make a lot of sense?"

In other words, it's not about "getting beyond procedural programming"
(who cares about that?) it's about communicating about the real world
in various walks of life, using the OO paradigm and philosophy
(remember to say "am a", not just "is a", and "have a", not just "has
a"...).

Because OO, in the first instance, is about communicating to other
humans, not to computers.

It's a way of thinking about a knowledge domain, getting it formalized
in "a language that works".

Portland:  a city that works.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=118911404787414800
(dissenting view from PHP site)

Anyway, you know the rap.  It's new to parents though.  Junior comes
home saying "we programmed a Dog and Monkey in math class today, had
them eat each other" [4], and maybe mom or dad phones my office,
wondering what this is about.

"Rest assured," I say "from Dogs and Monkeys 'tis but a short step to
Vectors, Polyhedra and Numbers Modulo N -- this is a well-designed
on-ramp to a well-paying job in the Silicon Forest."

They ring off with a smile, glad Junior is getting such a relevant
education, loves doing homework (lots of YouTubes and Showmedo, in
addition to snake charming). [5]

So then I point out how special names look a lot like __ribs__, and
snakes have *lots* of __ribs__.  Kids get that.

Like here's a "template snake" (a canonical Python class):

class Snake:

   def __init__(self):  # born!
      self.stomach = []

   def __rib__(self):
      pass

   def __rib__(self):
      pass

   def __rib__(self):
      pass

(note that this is legal Python even if __rib__ isn't a special name
(it gets mangled/munged) and even if you use a lot of 'em)

You see where I'm going with this don't you:

In building reading knowledge of Python (to start, even before writing
much), we're having kids get comfortable with __ribs__ *and* the idea
that "everything is an object in Python" -- except now we can say
"everything is a Snake" (esp. w/ type/class unification), or even
(drum roll)...

...everything is a python in Python.

Pass it on....

OK, back to reading 'Web Semantics in the Clouds' by Peter Mika and
Giovanni Tummarello, just uploaded a copy to Wanderers eGroup (lots of
engineers, Cal Tech connections...).

More later then!

Kirby Urner
4dsolutions.net
"A Pioneer in Open Source"

[0]  Horses out of the gate, off and running... um...

Here are the numbers as of 2/4/2008.
--greg

Hands on Python I (Harrington)    8
Faster Python Programs through Optimization (Muller)    9
Iron Python (Foord/Hartley)    4
Using Twisted Deferreds (Zadika)    2
Beginning TurboGears (Ramm)    3
Introduction to the Google App Engine (Gregoio)    5
Easy Concurrency with Kamaelia (Jacobs/McFerron)    0
Working with Excel Files in Python (Withers)    5
Hands on Python II (Harrington)    6
Django in the Real World (Kaplan-Moss)    15
Eggs and Buildout Development (Rush)    5
Geographic Information Systems  in Python (Han)    3
Intermediate TurboGears (Ramm)    3
A Curious Course on Coroutines and Concurrency (Beazley)    11
Building Real-time Network applications for the web with Twisted and
Orbited (Carter)    0
Introduction to Functional Web Testing With Twill & Selenium
(Zabinos/Peppers/Boers)    2
Python 401: Some Advanced Topics (Holden)    16
py.test - rapid testing with minimal effort (Dorsey/Krekel)    4
ToscaWidgets: Test Driven Modular Ajax (Perkins)    1
Introduction to SQLAlchemy (Ellis)    10
Hands on with Trac Plugins (Kantrowitz)    2
Data Storage in Python - An Overview of Options (Muller)    5
Python 101 (Williams)    6
Scrape the Web: Strategies for  programming websites that don't expect
it (Laroia)    7
Introduction to Object-Oriented Programming (Goldwater)    6
py.Test cross-platform and distributed testing (Krekel/Dorsey)   3
Python for Teachers (Urner/Holden)    0
Advanced SQLAlchemy (Kirtland/Bayer)    13
Using the repoze.bfg Web Framework (McDonough/Perkins)    2
A Tour of the Python Standard Library (Kumaran)    7
Python 102 (Williams)    7
Internet Programming with Python (Chun)    8

[1]
"""
In other news, Pycon is suggesting Steve Holden and I rent a blimp to
flash ads about a Flying Circus event:  him and me doing an
experimental prototype curriculum of tomorrow as a twosome, me the
futurist Portlander, hot off the jet, and he the focused interlocutor,
keeping me on task and on target, in terms of preaching relevantly to
the actually present choir.
"""
http://www.nabble.com/Reality-checks-at-OSU...-td20628411.html

[2] http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2009/01/ppug-2009113.html
(PPUG meeting, ending with beers and discussions of Illinois politics
with new immigrants from Illinois and Wisconsin).

[3] http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2009/01/transitions-of-power.html
(cartoon about OO paradigm)

[4] ShowMeDo | Python for Math Teachers:
http://showmedo.com/videos/series?id=101

[5] groundbreaking Salon article, sparked little reaction because math
teachers only know how to argue about whether to use calculators or
not.  That's it:  TI or no TI, that is the question.  Something smells
rotten in Denmark, no?

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2006/09/14/basic/

(yes, it's promoting BASIC over Python -- that was just to stir up
some healthy debates I think, mostly didn't happen, just more snoring
at the switch as the trains keep vectoring down that rickety old
pre-calc track towards Calculus Mountain (insider mathspeak)).

From carl at personnelware.com  Wed Feb  4 22:02:12 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:02:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Module Visualizer? Dia?
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0902021527s2aefa3d1k52bddbd3ae4a7781@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902021527s2aefa3d1k52bddbd3ae4a7781@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498A0254.5060204@personnelware.com>

Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Anyone know of an easy way to visualize a Python Module?
> 
> Like with fancy charts, or UML or something?


http://projects.gnome.org/dia/python.html

"generates a new diagram which contains all objects of dir(dia). Now fills 
attributes and operations by using Python reflexion ... "

I can't figure out if it can map something other than dir(dia) -

Carl K

From bray at sent.com  Wed Feb  4 22:24:58 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:24:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting Part II
Message-ID: <85FB18CD-3E45-472F-91AF-F1270A597394@sent.com>

The feedback for this meeting that needs sort out. Thanks in advance  
for everyone who stepped up to the plate. It will certainly be one of  
our best, if not the best ever...

I want to be fair and keep things moving at the same time.  If I  
missed you, or I read the feedback incorrectly, now is the time to  
complain. With that said, here is a very tentative plan:

Feb:
James S -  (30) Arduino + python
hugs - (10) orb demo
Cosmin - (30) py2app and py2exe
Mossimo - (10) help port to linux
Scullin - (30) IBM's BlueGene /P  bcfg2

March:
James S - (30) Scientific with NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib ...
Frank   - (30) Extend VIM
Kumar  - (45) Testing Ajax (PyCon)

Deferred:
Tim Ottinger - Agile
James S - Multiprocessing
Beer talks
Off topic talks

This is NOT final. Any feedback?

Brian Ray




From swgithen at mtu.edu  Wed Feb  4 22:31:45 2009
From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting Part II
In-Reply-To: <85FB18CD-3E45-472F-91AF-F1270A597394@sent.com>
References: <85FB18CD-3E45-472F-91AF-F1270A597394@sent.com>
Message-ID: <498A0941.9000901@mtu.edu>

Looking forward to witnessing the Cosmin Mossimo synergy.

Do we have a firm location yet since it's not on the wiki?  ( I would 
search back through the list, but who knows if the location has been 
monkey patched throughout the threads ).  Just need to plan time 
accordingly depending on how far from the loop it is.

Cheers,
Steve

Brian Ray wrote:
> The feedback for this meeting that needs sort out. Thanks in advance 
> for everyone who stepped up to the plate. It will certainly be one of 
> our best, if not the best ever...
>
> I want to be fair and keep things moving at the same time.  If I 
> missed you, or I read the feedback incorrectly, now is the time to 
> complain. With that said, here is a very tentative plan:
>
> Feb:
> James S -  (30) Arduino + python
> hugs - (10) orb demo
> Cosmin - (30) py2app and py2exe
> Mossimo - (10) help port to linux
> Scullin - (30) IBM's BlueGene /P  bcfg2
>
> March:
> James S - (30) Scientific with NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib ...
> Frank   - (30) Extend VIM
> Kumar  - (45) Testing Ajax (PyCon)
>
> Deferred:
> Tim Ottinger - Agile
> James S - Multiprocessing
> Beer talks
> Off topic talks
>
> This is NOT final. Any feedback?
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Wed Feb  4 22:40:40 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:40:40 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting Part II
In-Reply-To: <498A0941.9000901@mtu.edu>
References: <85FB18CD-3E45-472F-91AF-F1270A597394@sent.com>
	<498A0941.9000901@mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <011A7C8F-3CCF-42F3-9EAC-148A92CDF7ED@cs.depaul.edu>

Actually Cosmin will be teaching me. I have nothing to say on this  
topic.
Looking forward to this meeting to.

Massimo

On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Steven Githens wrote:

> Looking forward to witnessing the Cosmin Mossimo synergy.
>
> Do we have a firm location yet since it's not on the wiki?  ( I would
> search back through the list, but who knows if the location has been
> monkey patched throughout the threads ).  Just need to plan time
> accordingly depending on how far from the loop it is.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
> Brian Ray wrote:
>> The feedback for this meeting that needs sort out. Thanks in advance
>> for everyone who stepped up to the plate. It will certainly be one of
>> our best, if not the best ever...
>>
>> I want to be fair and keep things moving at the same time.  If I
>> missed you, or I read the feedback incorrectly, now is the time to
>> complain. With that said, here is a very tentative plan:
>>
>> Feb:
>> James S -  (30) Arduino + python
>> hugs - (10) orb demo
>> Cosmin - (30) py2app and py2exe
>> Mossimo - (10) help port to linux
>> Scullin - (30) IBM's BlueGene /P  bcfg2
>>
>> March:
>> James S - (30) Scientific with NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib ...
>> Frank   - (30) Extend VIM
>> Kumar  - (45) Testing Ajax (PyCon)
>>
>> Deferred:
>> Tim Ottinger - Agile
>> James S - Multiprocessing
>> Beer talks
>> Off topic talks
>>
>> This is NOT final. Any feedback?
>>
>> Brian Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From cosmin at offbytwo.com  Wed Feb  4 22:44:49 2009
From: cosmin at offbytwo.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:44:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting Part II
In-Reply-To: <011A7C8F-3CCF-42F3-9EAC-148A92CDF7ED@cs.depaul.edu>
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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>wrote:

> Actually Cosmin will be teaching me. I have nothing to say on this topic.
> Looking forward to this meeting to.
>

Actually Josh will be teaching both of us.

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From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Thu Feb  5 03:19:10 2009
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:19:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting Part II
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And if all goes well with the brewing talk I'll be drunk to boot.





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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu
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Actually Cosmin will be teaching me. I have nothing to say on this topic.
Looking forward to this meeting to.

Actually Josh will be teaching both of us. 

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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 03:25:18 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:25:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting Part II
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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
> The feedback for this meeting that needs sort out. Thanks in advance for
> everyone who stepped up to the plate. It will certainly be one of our best,
> if not the best ever...
>
> I want to be fair and keep things moving at the same time.  If I missed you,
> or I read the feedback incorrectly, now is the time to complain. With that
> said, here is a very tentative plan:
>
> Feb:
> James S -  (30) Arduino + python
> hugs - (10) orb demo
> Cosmin - (30) py2app and py2exe
> Mossimo - (10) help port to linux
> Scullin - (30) IBM's BlueGene /P  bcfg2
>
> March:
> James S - (30) Scientific with NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib ...
> Frank   - (30) Extend VIM
> Kumar  - (45) Testing Ajax (PyCon)
>
> Deferred:
> Tim Ottinger - Agile
> James S - Multiprocessing
> Beer talks
> Off topic talks
>
> This is NOT final. Any feedback?

Brian, this schedule looks great to me.  Maybe we can round up who was
going to do the beer brewing talk for March.  BTW, I'll only need 30
min for my pycon practice (if I go for 45 then I will be in trouble).

>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From allanlesage at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 03:38:02 2009
From: allanlesage at gmail.com (Allan LeSage)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:38:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting Part II
In-Reply-To: <b571660a0902041825v3a6205d5kba2cb3f7fdadd213@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85FB18CD-3E45-472F-91AF-F1270A597394@sent.com>
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If we do the brewing thing in March I'd like to show some yeast microscopy
videos from when I worked on yeast microscopy.  (Not really
Python-related.)

Allan

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
> > The feedback for this meeting that needs sort out. Thanks in advance for
> > everyone who stepped up to the plate. It will certainly be one of our
> best,
> > if not the best ever...
> >
> > I want to be fair and keep things moving at the same time.  If I missed
> you,
> > or I read the feedback incorrectly, now is the time to complain. With
> that
> > said, here is a very tentative plan:
> >
> > Feb:
> > James S -  (30) Arduino + python
> > hugs - (10) orb demo
> > Cosmin - (30) py2app and py2exe
> > Mossimo - (10) help port to linux
> > Scullin - (30) IBM's BlueGene /P  bcfg2
> >
> > March:
> > James S - (30) Scientific with NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib ...
> > Frank   - (30) Extend VIM
> > Kumar  - (45) Testing Ajax (PyCon)
> >
> > Deferred:
> > Tim Ottinger - Agile
> > James S - Multiprocessing
> > Beer talks
> > Off topic talks
> >
> > This is NOT final. Any feedback?
>
> Brian, this schedule looks great to me.  Maybe we can round up who was
> going to do the beer brewing talk for March.  BTW, I'll only need 30
> min for my pycon practice (if I go for 45 then I will be in trouble).
>
> >
> > Brian Ray
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From igorsyl at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 19:07:08 2009
From: igorsyl at gmail.com (Igor Sylvester)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:07:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] order of keyword arguments
Message-ID: <b3c85b560902041007ob2ac586o600b4fe878a996c9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

Is there a way to obtain the order of keyword arguments in this example:

def foo(**kargs):
            print kargs.items()

The call foo(A=0, B=1) could print (('A', 0), ('B', 1)) or (('B', 1), ('A',
0)).

Since dictionaries do not know about ordering, I can't obtain the order of
keyword arguments by simply looking into kargs.
Perhaps there is a way to introspect the function stack to get a hold of the
order of the arguments.  Does anyone know if this is possible?

Thanks!
Igor
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From ianb at colorstudy.com  Thu Feb  5 04:05:41 2009
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:05:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] order of keyword arguments
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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Igor Sylvester <igorsyl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Is there a way to obtain the order of keyword arguments in this example:
>
> def foo(**kargs):
>             print kargs.items()
>
> The call foo(A=0, B=1) could print (('A', 0), ('B', 1)) or (('B', 1), ('A',
> 0)).
>
> Since dictionaries do not know about ordering, I can't obtain the order of
> keyword arguments by simply looking into kargs.
> Perhaps there is a way to introspect the function stack to get a hold of
> the order of the arguments.  Does anyone know if this is possible?
>

Nah, it's not really possible.  You could look back in the function stack,
find the line number, parse the line, try to resolve symbols to determine
which part of the code refers to your function... but really, no, no way to
do it.


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From ias at alum.mit.edu  Thu Feb  5 06:33:16 2009
From: ias at alum.mit.edu (Igor Sylvester)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:33:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] order of keyword arguments
In-Reply-To: <b654cd2e0902041905w1fe264d2vf635302ad41f2de3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b3c85b560902041007ob2ac586o600b4fe878a996c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<b654cd2e0902041905w1fe264d2vf635302ad41f2de3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b3c85b560902042133h603f50c1xc6ca921d64bfeffd@mail.gmail.com>

Is this worthy of a PEP?

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Igor Sylvester <igorsyl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Is there a way to obtain the order of keyword arguments in this example:
>>
>> def foo(**kargs):
>>             print kargs.items()
>>
>> The call foo(A=0, B=1) could print (('A', 0), ('B', 1)) or (('B', 1),
>> ('A', 0)).
>>
>> Since dictionaries do not know about ordering, I can't obtain the order of
>> keyword arguments by simply looking into kargs.
>> Perhaps there is a way to introspect the function stack to get a hold of
>> the order of the arguments.  Does anyone know if this is possible?
>>
>
> Nah, it's not really possible.  You could look back in the function stack,
> find the line number, parse the line, try to resolve symbols to determine
> which part of the code refers to your function... but really, no, no way to
> do it.
>
>
> --
> Ian Bicking  |  http://blog.ianbicking.org
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 06:38:46 2009
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:38:46 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] order of keyword arguments
In-Reply-To: <b3c85b560902042133h603f50c1xc6ca921d64bfeffd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b3c85b560902041007ob2ac586o600b4fe878a996c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<b654cd2e0902041905w1fe264d2vf635302ad41f2de3@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Igor Sylvester <ias at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> Is this worthy of a PEP?
>

Doesn't it just go against the design of Python?  Dictionaries don't
care about order, so if you do, use something other than a dictionary?
 You can pass a list or something?  Don't use the **kwargs feature?
$0.02

Kirby

From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Feb  5 06:39:17 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:39:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] order of keyword arguments
In-Reply-To: <b3c85b560902042133h603f50c1xc6ca921d64bfeffd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b3c85b560902041007ob2ac586o600b4fe878a996c9@mail.gmail.com>	<b654cd2e0902041905w1fe264d2vf635302ad41f2de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<b3c85b560902042133h603f50c1xc6ca921d64bfeffd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498A7B85.4060704@personnelware.com>

Igor Sylvester wrote:
> Is this worthy of a PEP?
> 
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Igor Sylvester <igorsyl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Is there a way to obtain the order of keyword arguments in this example:
>>>
>>> def foo(**kargs):
>>>             print kargs.items()
>>>
>>> The call foo(A=0, B=1) could print (('A', 0), ('B', 1)) or (('B', 1),
>>> ('A', 0)).

What is the use case for this?

>>>
>>> Since dictionaries do not know about ordering, I can't obtain the order of
>>> keyword arguments by simply looking into kargs.
>>> Perhaps there is a way to introspect the function stack to get a hold of
>>> the order of the arguments.  Does anyone know if this is possible?

Carl K

>>>
>> Nah, it's not really possible.  You could look back in the function stack,
>> find the line number, parse the line, try to resolve symbols to determine
>> which part of the code refers to your function... but really, no, no way to
>> do it.
>>



From ianb at colorstudy.com  Thu Feb  5 06:48:59 2009
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:48:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] order of keyword arguments
In-Reply-To: <b3c85b560902042133h603f50c1xc6ca921d64bfeffd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b3c85b560902041007ob2ac586o600b4fe878a996c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<b654cd2e0902041905w1fe264d2vf635302ad41f2de3@mail.gmail.com>
	<b3c85b560902042133h603f50c1xc6ca921d64bfeffd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b654cd2e0902042148t1e4bafexba37debfb6d1046e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Igor Sylvester <ias at alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Is this worthy of a PEP?
>

You could try, but I doubt it'd get any traction.  After all, if you do
func(**kw) there's no possible way to capture the order of the keyword
arguments, since the underlying dictionary didn't have an order.  Also you
have to remember that for:

def add(x, y): return x+y

these function calls are all equivalent:

add(1, 2)
add(1, y=2)
add(y=2, x=1)



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From tcp at mac.com  Thu Feb  5 15:36:48 2009
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:36:48 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] order of keyword arguments
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On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> Igor Sylvester wrote:
>> Is this worthy of a PEP?
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com>  
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Igor Sylvester  
>>> <igorsyl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to obtain the order of keyword arguments in this  
>>>> example:
>>>>
>>>> def foo(**kargs):
>>>>            print kargs.items()
>>>>
>>>> The call foo(A=0, B=1) could print (('A', 0), ('B', 1)) or (('B',  
>>>> 1),
>>>> ('A', 0)).
>
> What is the use case for this?

+1

The first step in making a viable PEP would be showing a clear use- 
case where the is clearly needed.  I'm not saying there isn't one, but  
I'd like to see why you think it's PEP-worthy.

-t

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Thu Feb  5 17:39:27 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:39:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting Part II
In-Reply-To: <b571660a0902041825v3a6205d5kba2cb3f7fdadd213@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85FB18CD-3E45-472F-91AF-F1270A597394@sent.com>
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Just to be sure... which day is the meeting? The web page does not say.

Massimo

On Feb 4, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>> The feedback for this meeting that needs sort out. Thanks in  
>> advance for
>> everyone who stepped up to the plate. It will certainly be one of  
>> our best,
>> if not the best ever...
>>
>> I want to be fair and keep things moving at the same time.  If I  
>> missed you,
>> or I read the feedback incorrectly, now is the time to complain.  
>> With that
>> said, here is a very tentative plan:
>>
>> Feb:
>> James S -  (30) Arduino + python
>> hugs - (10) orb demo
>> Cosmin - (30) py2app and py2exe
>> Mossimo - (10) help port to linux
>> Scullin - (30) IBM's BlueGene /P  bcfg2
>>
>> March:
>> James S - (30) Scientific with NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib ...
>> Frank   - (30) Extend VIM
>> Kumar  - (45) Testing Ajax (PyCon)
>>
>> Deferred:
>> Tim Ottinger - Agile
>> James S - Multiprocessing
>> Beer talks
>> Off topic talks
>>
>> This is NOT final. Any feedback?
>
> Brian, this schedule looks great to me.  Maybe we can round up who was
> going to do the beer brewing talk for March.  BTW, I'll only need 30
> min for my pycon practice (if I go for 45 then I will be in trouble).
>
>>
>> Brian Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From g at rrett.us.com  Thu Feb  5 17:50:12 2009
From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:50:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting Part II
In-Reply-To: <85FB18CD-3E45-472F-91AF-F1270A597394@sent.com>
Message-ID: <EMEWEMEW2_DELIMl14AoCbab6337b536b09956f7d65, g@rrett.us.com,
	1279183372.4583231233852612081.JavaMail.roo>

I missed that we were filling up two months worth of talks.

I've been teeing up some content on using Thrift for cross language communication (in my case, Python <-> Java). May seems like a ways off though.

So I'll throw that topic out there if there's a slot in March and anyone's interested.

Garrett


----- "Brian Ray" <bray at sent.com> wrote:

> The feedback for this meeting that needs sort out. Thanks in advance 
> 
> for everyone who stepped up to the plate. It will certainly be one of 
> 
> our best, if not the best ever...
> 
> I want to be fair and keep things moving at the same time.  If I  
> missed you, or I read the feedback incorrectly, now is the time to  
> complain. With that said, here is a very tentative plan:
> 
> Feb:
> James S -  (30) Arduino + python
> hugs - (10) orb demo
> Cosmin - (30) py2app and py2exe
> Mossimo - (10) help port to linux
> Scullin - (30) IBM's BlueGene /P  bcfg2
> 
> March:
> James S - (30) Scientific with NumPy, SciPy and matplotlib ...
> Frank   - (30) Extend VIM
> Kumar  - (45) Testing Ajax (PyCon)
> 
> Deferred:
> Tim Ottinger - Agile
> James S - Multiprocessing
> Beer talks
> Off topic talks
> 
> This is NOT final. Any feedback?
> 
> Brian Ray
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From bray at sent.com  Thu Feb  5 21:22:21 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:22:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February Meeting Part II
In-Reply-To: <498A0941.9000901@mtu.edu>
References: <85FB18CD-3E45-472F-91AF-F1270A597394@sent.com>
	<498A0941.9000901@mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <B238AFF3-1185-49A5-82CC-BF4CF3F5BDDB@sent.com>


On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Steven Githens wrote:

>
> Do we have a firm location yet since it's not on the wiki?  ( I  
> would search back through the list, but who knows if the location  
> has been monkey patched throughout the threads ).  Just need to plan  
> time accordingly depending on how far from the loop it is.

I have firmed up on the venue will be :

  Sully?s House (in their large private meeting room on second floor)
  Tap Room & Grill
  1501 N. Dayton St.
  Chicago, Illinois 60622

  At the corner of
  Blackhawk and Dayton http://www.sullyshouse.com/

They have a large projector we can use. It is a new space.  The 20  
Beers on Tab all craft and mircobrewery with Belgium, Irish and  
German.  Full kitchen. The space has been reserved and is free for our  
use. Drinks and food will cost but the owner will try and work out a  
discount.

I would say it is a 10-15 minute ride on Red Train (North and Clyborn)  
from the loop. Their is free street parking in that area.

Brian Ray




From szybalski at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 07:27:54 2009
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 00:27:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] torrent and python
Message-ID: <804e5c70902052227x7564b0b2m78ffd0bbb826623b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I was wondering if somebody has played around with the torrent files in python?

http://code.google.com/p/metalink-library/source/browse/trunk/metalink.py

I was looking for a python library that would take a big file, or set
of files and create torrent files for them and then serve them in a
torrent server.

something like:
import bittorrent (or import torrent)

data=file.open('somebigfile.data')

bittorrent.create_torrent(data)

then upload it to a torrent server running on my computer that can be
accessed from outside.


Then I could distribute some python app that would

import bittorrent

bittorrent.download(url_to_some torrent file)  #or an actual torrent file


Any recommendations?

Thanks,
Lucas




-- 
How to create python package?
http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/PythonPaste
Bazaar and Launchpad
http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/Bazaar

From igorsyl at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 13:20:22 2009
From: igorsyl at gmail.com (Igor Sylvester)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 06:20:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] order of keyword arguments
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Thanks for your comments.

*Doesn't it just go against the design of Python?  Dictionaries don't
care about order, so if you do, use something other than a dictionary?
 You can pass a list or something?  Don't use the **kwargs feature?
$0.02
*
My suggestion is not to change the dict object but perhaps make kwargs an
instance of a subclass of dict.  The kwargs instance would know about the
ordering of the keyword arguments.
Alternatively, the inspect module can be amended with code that introspects
the frame to figure this out.

*What is the use case for this?
*
I want to use the foo(A=1,B=2) notation instead of foo(('A', 1), ('B', 2)),
where the order of the elements matter.

*You could try, but I doubt it'd get any traction.  After all, if you do
func(**kw) there's no possible way to capture the order of the keyword
arguments, since the underlying dictionary didn't have an order.  Also you
have to remember that for:

def add(x, y): return x+y

these function calls are all equivalent:

add(1, 2)
add(1, y=2)
add(y=2, x=1)

* I'm not sure I understand your example.  The function signature is
foo(**kargs) so calls to foo(1,2) and foo(1,B=2) would fail with a
TypeError.  foo(A=1,B=2) would work.

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Igor Sylvester <ias at alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> Is this worthy of a PEP?
>>
>
> You could try, but I doubt it'd get any traction.  After all, if you do
> func(**kw) there's no possible way to capture the order of the keyword
> arguments, since the underlying dictionary didn't have an order.  Also you
> have to remember that for:
>
> def add(x, y): return x+y
>
> these function calls are all equivalent:
>
> add(1, 2)
> add(1, y=2)
> add(y=2, x=1)
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ian Bicking  |  http://blog.ianbicking.org
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 05:48:09 2009
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 20:48:09 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] order of keyword arguments
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On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Igor Sylvester <igorsyl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> Doesn't it just go against the design of Python?  Dictionaries don't
> care about order, so if you do, use something other than a dictionary?
>  You can pass a list or something?  Don't use the **kwargs feature?
> $0.02
>
> My suggestion is not to change the dict object but perhaps make kwargs an
> instance of a subclass of dict.  The kwargs instance would know about the
> ordering of the keyword arguments.

The thing is you're not required to pass arguments as a dictionary,
and if the order really matters, then you probably shouldn't.

However if order does matter and you must pass to **kwargs, you could
have a special function that takes the assignments and seeds a
dictionary with argument order info e.g.

orderargs(egg=17, chicken=56) gives back...

{('chicken':(17,1), 'egg':(56,0)}   # the tuple encodes ordering info

...for then passing to your **kwargs.

You could go myfunction ( orderargs(b=17, a=56) ) and have your
myfunction aware of which came first.

Kirby

From tcp at mac.com  Sat Feb  7 06:09:16 2009
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:09:16 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] order of keyword arguments
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On Feb 5, 2009, at 4:20 AM, Igor Sylvester wrote:

> I want to use the foo(A=1,B=2) notation instead of foo(('A', 1),  
> ('B', 2)), where the order of the elements matter.


Again, can you give us a concrete example of this?  Not to be pushy,  
but I'm having trouble seeing where the above is the ideal solution to  
any particular use case that I can think up, so I'm likely missing  
something and would love to be enlightened.  Passing in a list (or  
other sequence) seems to be a much cleaner way of doing this for  
reasons outlined previously.  Because, fundamentally, if you're  
ordering something and that order matters, you're passing in a  
sequence, not a set of discrete keyword arguments.  On some  
philosophical level, I think you're trying to do something that  
conflicts with the notion of 'keyword arguments' -- but maybe that's  
just me.

-ted


From tim at gebhardtcomputing.com  Sat Feb  7 16:27:11 2009
From: tim at gebhardtcomputing.com (Tim Gebhardt)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 09:27:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Creating property() members programmatically
Message-ID: <1ce3f61a0902070727y19aa444es5e8797e51685e03e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Chipy,

Does anyone know of a way to create property() members on an object
programmatically?  Anything I've Googled with "property" and
"programmatically" doesn't really come up with what I'm looking for.

Here's my use case:

I'm creating a ctypes wrapper for the LAME MP3 library.  There are quite a
few parameters that someone can set when encoding an MP3, such as the
bitrate, number of audio channels, high pass frequency, blah, blah, blah.
There's about 70.  The issue is that there's 3 places in my wrapper where I
have to declare them: once in the global LAME state object, once in setting
up the argument types and return types of the LAME getter/setter functions,
and once in my high level Python "Encoder" object.

So to make things easy and less error prone I declared a list of the
parameters and their types so I could reuse the data I hand-typed in about
these properties.  I also have a small dictionary of overrides for
parameters that aren't gettable or settable or that need to be handled with
special circumstances.  This worked fine for my first 2 places where I
needed the data, but I'm struggling to get it to work for the 3rd part, my
high-level Encoder object.

I need to be able to create a property() on my Encoder object because
setting a LAME parameter on an MP3 stream actually needs to call the LAME
library, and if the return value's not good then I need to throw an
exception.

The best I've been able to do is use my data about the LAME parameters,
output the Python code I need to a text file, and copy/paste that into my
object's declaration.

Does anyone know how I could create a bunch of property() items on an object
based on a list of data?

Thanks,

-Tim Gebhardt
tim at gebhardtcomputing.com
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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 17:57:00 2009
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:57:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Creating property() members programmatically
In-Reply-To: <1ce3f61a0902070727y19aa444es5e8797e51685e03e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ce3f61a0902070727y19aa444es5e8797e51685e03e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <694c06d60902070857k287429e6xe82d46422eade125@mail.gmail.com>

So it's easy enough to declare properties on classes, but rather
difficult to do so on objects themselves (I'm not even sure it's
possible, well not good form anyhow.)

So you have a few options.  One is to subclass your Encoder with an
intermediate class, and then add properties, dynamically to it:
  class LameEncoder(Encoder):
    @classmethod
    def add_property(cls, attr, default):
      def setter(self, v):
        setattr(self, '_%s' % attr, v)
      def getter(self):
        return getattr(self, '_%s' % attr, default)
      setatter(cls, attr, property(gettter, setter))

  for attr, default in PARAMETER_LIST:
    LameEncoder.add_property(atter, default)

Another is to override the __setattr__ method on the intermediate
class, so that when an attribute is assigned, you can run this
function.  You have to be careful though because everything goes
through this.:
  class LameEncoder(Encoder):
    def __setattr__(self, k, v):
       if (k in PARAMATER_LIST):
          try:
             self.set_lame_parameter(k, v)
          except LameError:
             raise Something
       else:
          self.__dict__[k] = v

Or maybe this could be made easier with a Descriptor.  I'll let you
google that one.  Suffice to say it's a sort of property object, that
lets you define what to do when it's assigned to and gotten from.

Also, this assuming that the Encoder object isn't in your code, if it
is you can just dump this stuff onto it.

Hope that helps.

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Tim Gebhardt <tim at gebhardtcomputing.com> wrote:
> Hello Chipy,
>
> Does anyone know of a way to create property() members on an object
> programmatically?  Anything I've Googled with "property" and
> "programmatically" doesn't really come up with what I'm looking for.
>
> Here's my use case:
>
> I'm creating a ctypes wrapper for the LAME MP3 library.  There are quite a
> few parameters that someone can set when encoding an MP3, such as the
> bitrate, number of audio channels, high pass frequency, blah, blah, blah.
> There's about 70.  The issue is that there's 3 places in my wrapper where I
> have to declare them: once in the global LAME state object, once in setting
> up the argument types and return types of the LAME getter/setter functions,
> and once in my high level Python "Encoder" object.
>
> So to make things easy and less error prone I declared a list of the
> parameters and their types so I could reuse the data I hand-typed in about
> these properties.  I also have a small dictionary of overrides for
> parameters that aren't gettable or settable or that need to be handled with
> special circumstances.  This worked fine for my first 2 places where I
> needed the data, but I'm struggling to get it to work for the 3rd part, my
> high-level Encoder object.
>
> I need to be able to create a property() on my Encoder object because
> setting a LAME parameter on an MP3 stream actually needs to call the LAME
> library, and if the return value's not good then I need to throw an
> exception.
>
> The best I've been able to do is use my data about the LAME parameters,
> output the Python code I need to a text file, and copy/paste that into my
> object's declaration.
>
> Does anyone know how I could create a bunch of property() items on an object
> based on a list of data?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Tim Gebhardt
> tim at gebhardtcomputing.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From maney at two14.net  Sun Feb  8 16:26:17 2009
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:26:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Creating property() members programmatically
In-Reply-To: <1ce3f61a0902070727y19aa444es5e8797e51685e03e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ce3f61a0902070727y19aa444es5e8797e51685e03e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090208152617.GB22882@furrr.two14.net>

On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 09:27:11AM -0600, Tim Gebhardt wrote:
> The best I've been able to do is use my data about the LAME parameters,
> output the Python code I need to a text file, and copy/paste that into my
> object's declaration.
> 
> Does anyone know how I could create a bunch of property() items on an object
> based on a list of data?

How about instaed of cut'n'paste, you incorporate the generated code by
making it a base class (or classes - although I've done some work with
ctypes, I'm not sure I understand just what you're doing).

Alternately, perhaps you could implement the "properties" the
old-fashioned way, using __getattribute__ and __setattr__, with code
there that consults you hand-entered metadata to decide how to handle
each "property".  IIRC properties were introduced as a more convenient
way to handle the most common uses of these older methods.

-- 
"What's so funny?  That I'm sitting on a deserted beach at night,
nibbling at gourmet meals, and rereading every book I've ever loved?
Can you think of anything more worthwhile?"  -- Michael Flynn


From bray at sent.com  Fri Feb  6 17:05:39 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:05:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN ChiPy February Meeting Thursday, 12th, at Sully's
Message-ID: <7EA2F2FE-48D7-458B-9BCC-3A2F1A09F643@sent.com>

Chicago Python User Group
=========================

Go ChiPy! After last month's hugely successful language comparison  
mayhem, the world's most successful user group strikes again!

Robots and OS Packaging, are the major topic areas.

James Snyder, from Northwestern University's Biomedical Engineering  
Department, will be serializing Arduino microcontroller with Python  
for robotic pursuits.  Jason Huggins, co-founder of Sauce Labs Inc and  
creator of Selenium, will follow up with a quick demo of his Arduino- 
based Ambient Orb clone, called 'orbison' (http://code.google.com/p/orbison/ 
).

For the second part, Cosmin Stejerean, software engineering and  
computer security specialist,  will cover how to package your Python  
package with tools like  py2app and py2exe.  Massimo Di Pierro,  
professor at DePaul CTI, will get some brief help porting his popular  
web2py Enterprise Web Framework to a linux package from a live  
audience. Let's see if it is possible in 10 minutes!

Last but not least, William Scullin, Argonne National Laboratory and  
cheese lover, will present on bcfg2, a tool written in Python for  
system administrators to fingerprint their environment and about  
Python, in general, on IBM's BlueGene /P supercompter.

There will be a moment of silence in respect to Unix Timestamp  
1234567890

Our host for the meeting is Sully's House Tap Room & Grill.  All ages  
are welcome to this Free Private Event.  For those of age, Sully?s  
House offer 20 Beers on tap, and 35 Bottles - all craft and  
microbrewery, specializing in Belgium, Irish and German selections.   
Enjoy great Bar Food & Pizza from our Italian Oven and Daily  
discounted menu specials. The host has given us a dedicated  
bartender.  We will meet in the private party room on the second floor  
that is well equipped with top of the line video equipment ? 100? HD  
screen & full A/V accessibility with Rock Band & Wii. Nice big space,  
bring a friend. Thanks Sully's!!!

This *will* be our best meeting yet.

Topics
------

  * Arduino + Python, James Snyder
  * Orb demo, Jason Huggins
  * py2app and py2exe, Cosmin Stejerean
  * help package web2py for linux, Massimo Di Pierro
  * IBM's BlueGene /P bcfg2, William Scullin

When
----

Thursday, February 12th, ~7pm

Location
--------

Sully?s House Tap Room & Grill, 1501 N. Dayton St. Chicago, Illinois  
60622

At the corner of Blackhawk and Dayton http://www.sullyshouse.com/

(2) Blocks from the North & Clybourn Red Line stop. Free street  
parking available.

About ChiPy
-----------

ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
ChiPy Announcement *ONLY* Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chipy-announce 
 >
Python website: <http://python.org>



From tim at gebhardtcomputing.com  Mon Feb  9 16:13:45 2009
From: tim at gebhardtcomputing.com (Tim Gebhardt)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:13:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Creating property() members programmatically
In-Reply-To: <694c06d60902070857k287429e6xe82d46422eade125@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1ce3f61a0902070727y19aa444es5e8797e51685e03e@mail.gmail.com>
	<694c06d60902070857k287429e6xe82d46422eade125@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ce3f61a0902090713h2a2fcbcenb8fa081f98192a76@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com>wrote:

> So it's easy enough to declare properties on classes, but rather
> difficult to do so on objects themselves (I'm not even sure it's
> possible, well not good form anyhow.)
>
> So you have a few options.  One is to subclass your Encoder with an
> intermediate class, and then add properties, dynamically to it:
>  class LameEncoder(Encoder):
>    @classmethod
>    def add_property(cls, attr, default):
>      def setter(self, v):
>        setattr(self, '_%s' % attr, v)
>      def getter(self):
>        return getattr(self, '_%s' % attr, default)
>      setatter(cls, attr, property(gettter, setter))
>
>  for attr, default in PARAMETER_LIST:
>    LameEncoder.add_property(atter, default)
>

I went with the first method you suggested and it worked perfectly.  Thanks!

-Tim Gebhardt
tim at gebhardtcomputing.com
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From richgor at northwestern.edu  Tue Feb 10 05:43:45 2009
From: richgor at northwestern.edu (Rich Gordon)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:43:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: BarCamp NewsInnovation
Message-ID: <002c01c98b3a$28218820$78649860$@edu>

Chicago Python folks:

 

BarCamp NewsInnovation Chicago 2.21.09

 

barcamp_medill_.jpg

 

Join this group for a one-day un-conference to experience the creativity and
energy that occurs when technologist, programmers, web developers,
designers, hackers and information architects teams to do cool stuff with
journalists, entrepreneurs, tech business dudes, students, professors and
others with interest in news and information.

 

This ad hoc event will be a place to not only talk about how technology is
influencing journalism, but participants will be given the opportunity to
brainstorm an idea and hack it out by the end of the afternoon.

 

The idea behind BarCamp NewsInnovation is to get energetic, tech-savvy,
open-minded individuals who embrace the chaos in the media industry because
the ability to do really cool things still exists.

 

The nature of a barcamp is to share ideas, expand thinking and creativity
and prototype or demonstrate something, and the same will be true for
BarCamp NewsInnovation.

 

Where

Medill Graduate School of Journalism newsroom, downtown Chicago at 210 Clark
Street

 

When

 Saturday, Feb. 21, 9 a.m.

 

How to register

Registration is open to 50 people at
http://barcampnewssinnovationchi.eventbrite.com/. Please take a few moments
to register. Space is limited.

 

More information and to sign up for a presentation or discussion

http://barcamp.org/NewsInnovation-Chicago

 

What is a BarCamp

A BarCamp is an ad-hoc gathering born from the desire for people to share
and learn in an open environment. It is an intense event with discussions,
demos, and interaction from participants. - barcamp.org

 

Any questions? Feel free to contact me: richgor - at - northwestern.edu, or
the phone number below.  

 

Rich Gordon

Associate Professor, Director of Digital Media in Education

Medill School, Northwestern University

1870 Campus Drive

Evanston, IL 60208

(847) 467-5968

 

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From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Wed Feb 11 19:19:38 2009
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:19:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Video of January meeting?
In-Reply-To: <49872277.6000201@yahoo.com> (Christian Long's message of "Mon,
	02 Feb 2009 10:42:31 -0600")
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Carl, we have all the edited videos for this.  I don't think they're
ideal, but we should post them up, no?

Let's talk on IRC later tonight.


Christian Long <christianzlong at yahoo.com> writes:

> Is there video available of the January 2009 meeting? My quick search
> was not fruitful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Christian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From swgithen at mtu.edu  Fri Feb 13 20:45:09 2009
From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:45:09 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Bespin Python Highlighting
Message-ID: <4995CDC5.4070006@mtu.edu>

Awesome meeting last night.

Does anyone follow the email lists and stuff for this:
 https://bespin.mozilla.com/index.html

Wondering if anyone in the know, knows the status of Python file 
highlighting.  It says there is only js/html/css(or something else) at 
the moment.

-s

From jbsnyder at fanplastic.org  Fri Feb 13 20:51:16 2009
From: jbsnyder at fanplastic.org (James Snyder)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:51:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Links for Arduino Talk
Message-ID: <EMEWEMEW2_DELIMl1CDpHff5eb0099c3574b1e3cfdf,
	jbsnyder@fanplastic.org, 4A791458-7F8C-4FA1-B207-FB5>

Hi -

For those interested in checking out some of the hardware or software  
used during the talk, here are some useful links:

Main Arduino Project Page:
http://www.arduino.cc/

Arduino Playground (lots of hardware/software examples):
http://www.arduino.cc/playground/

Firmata:
http://www.firmata.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://arduino.cc/en/Reference/Firmata

Pyduino:
http://code.google.com/p/pyduino/

Places to Get Kits and Hardware:
http://www.adafruit.com/
http://www.sparkfun.com/
http://liquidware.com/ (I've not bought anything from them personally,  
but they have some interesting Arduino compatible boards)

Also if you're interested in some of the code used during the talk,  
I've posted some of the demos I did at the end up on github:
http://github.com/jsnyder/jbsnyder_tools/tree/master

You'll probably need to install a few modules to make them work  
including wx, multiprocessing, matplotlib and numpy (in addition to  
pyduino from above).

The mouse demo also uses a little Objective C program to move the  
mouse around, compile instructions for that are in the movemouse.m file.

--
James Snyder
Biomedical Engineering
Northwestern University
jbsnyder at fanplastic.org
http://fanplastic.org/key.txt
ph: (847) 644-2322

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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Fri Feb 13 20:53:58 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:53:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Bespin Python Highlighting
In-Reply-To: <4995CDC5.4070006@mtu.edu>
References: <4995CDC5.4070006@mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <3E8E601D-4AAD-49A6-8EA7-DD76923F8102@cs.depaul.edu>

I do not know about bespin but

for server-side python to html highlighting:
1) pygments is great although a bit heavy for my taste.
2) web2py provides a funciton

      CODE(open('yourfile.py','r').read(),language='python')

for client-side (js code) python to html highlighting:
3) editarea works great.

Massimo


On Feb 13, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Steven Githens wrote:

> Awesome meeting last night.
>
> Does anyone follow the email lists and stuff for this:
> https://bespin.mozilla.com/index.html
>
> Wondering if anyone in the know, knows the status of Python file
> highlighting.  It says there is only js/html/css(or something else) at
> the moment.
>
> -s
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From swgithen at mtu.edu  Fri Feb 13 21:01:16 2009
From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:01:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Bespin Python Highlighting
In-Reply-To: <3E8E601D-4AAD-49A6-8EA7-DD76923F8102@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <4995CDC5.4070006@mtu.edu>
	<3E8E601D-4AAD-49A6-8EA7-DD76923F8102@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <4995D18C.1010001@mtu.edu>

Actually, I started using EditArea for my project a few months ago after 
being introduced to it by web2py.  :p

I'm mostly interested in this because it has sidebars, the command line 
on the bottom, and the other IDE lookin' stuff going on.  Which would be 
cool for my thing ( which is a sort of jython extension to my dayjob 
j2ee project for scripting our system with jython/jruby/groovy/whatever ).

Completely random, but have you tried running web2py in Jython2.5 at all 
yet?  ( or IronPython ).


-s

Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
> I do not know about bespin but
>
> for server-side python to html highlighting:
> 1) pygments is great although a bit heavy for my taste.
> 2) web2py provides a funciton
>
>      CODE(open('yourfile.py','r').read(),language='python')
>
> for client-side (js code) python to html highlighting:
> 3) editarea works great.
>
> Massimo
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Steven Githens wrote:
>
>> Awesome meeting last night.
>>
>> Does anyone follow the email lists and stuff for this:
>> https://bespin.mozilla.com/index.html
>>
>> Wondering if anyone in the know, knows the status of Python file
>> highlighting.  It says there is only js/html/css(or something else) at
>> the moment.
>>
>> -s
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Feb 13 21:09:13 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:09:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] videos are on the way
Message-ID: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>

the talks are transcoded and uploading as I type.

Arduino is up and being converted to flash now: http://chipy.blip.tv/file/1771318/

or if you can't wait:  http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/1770677/

Carl K

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 21:18:34 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:18:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Bespin Python Highlighting
In-Reply-To: <4995CDC5.4070006@mtu.edu>
References: <4995CDC5.4070006@mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <b571660a0902131218r44e0faak8f242d0ce580a33c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Steven Githens <swgithen at mtu.edu> wrote:
> Awesome meeting last night.
>
> Does anyone follow the email lists and stuff for this:
> https://bespin.mozilla.com/index.html

That app is pretty neat.  Looks like there will be a talk on using
Canvas at the next JavaScript meetup: http://www.meetup.com/js-chi/

>
> Wondering if anyone in the know, knows the status of Python file
> highlighting.  It says there is only js/html/css(or something else) at the
> moment.

besides Pygments, there is also a nifty JavaScript one:
http://code.google.com/p/syntaxhighlighter/
(i.e. you can put it on your blog without running extra server side code)

From jason at jrandolph.com  Fri Feb 13 22:30:02 2009
From: jason at jrandolph.com (Jason Huggins)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:30:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] videos are on the way
In-Reply-To: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
References: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <53b9568a0902131330i7e0ac053yed7096e06953b5a2@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> the talks are transcoded and uploading as I type.

Thanks Carl!

Eagerly hitting the refresh button waiting for more. :-)

cheers,
   hugs

From tcp at mac.com  Fri Feb 13 22:50:36 2009
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:50:36 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] videos are on the way
In-Reply-To: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
References: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <B29458BC-F0DB-4398-9578-DAE892CF046D@mac.com>


On Feb 13, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> the talks are transcoded and uploading as I type.
>
> Arduino is up and being converted to flash now: http://chipy.blip.tv/file/1771318/
>
> or if you can't wait:  http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/1770677/
>
> Carl K


Thanks Carl -- now if only you could upload me a beer, my long- 
distance ChiPy experience would almost be complete!

;-)

-ted

From bray at sent.com  Fri Feb 13 22:56:38 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:56:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] videos are on the way
In-Reply-To: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
References: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <B7B3A58E-474E-4456-803C-9CB1591D33DA@sent.com>


On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

>
> Arduino is up and being converted to flash now: http://chipy.blip.tv/file/1771318/

Best video, yet!

Nice job, Carl.

Brian Ray




From tcp at mac.com  Fri Feb 13 23:12:25 2009
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:12:25 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] videos are on the way
In-Reply-To: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
References: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <1804CDC5-9DE2-4C0C-B827-C8A037223DF8@mac.com>


On Feb 13, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> the talks are transcoded and uploading as I type.
>
> Arduino is up and being converted to flash now: http://chipy.blip.tv/file/1771318/


In the Arduino talk, right around 11:40, it just freezes until ~ 12:10  
-- what's up with that?  I reloaded it and everything, thinking my  
browser was somehow horked.  Any ideas?

-t

From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Feb 14 00:05:13 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:05:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] videos are on the way
In-Reply-To: <1804CDC5-9DE2-4C0C-B827-C8A037223DF8@mac.com>
References: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
	<1804CDC5-9DE2-4C0C-B827-C8A037223DF8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4995FCA9.7030807@personnelware.com>

Ted Pollari wrote:
> 
> On Feb 13, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> 
>> the talks are transcoded and uploading as I type.
>>
>> Arduino is up and being converted to flash now: 
>> http://chipy.blip.tv/file/1771318/
> 
> 
> In the Arduino talk, right around 11:40, it just freezes until ~ 12:10 
> -- what's up with that?  I reloaded it and everything, thinking my 
> browser was somehow horked.  Any ideas?

I bet thats when something happened.  it wasn't when I sat on the wire and 
pulled it out of the camera, that was later.  I was shuffling stuff around, and 
suddenly it wasn't working.  that's what I remember.

Carl K

From varmaa at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 00:38:07 2009
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:38:07 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] Bespin Python Highlighting
In-Reply-To: <4995CDC5.4070006@mtu.edu>
References: <4995CDC5.4070006@mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <361b27370902131538r5be184fbi6116bf8074d882fd@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Steven,

There isn't currently any Python syntax highlighting, but there's a plug-in
style interface for adding new highlighting... It's all done in JS.  This is
the JS one:

  https://bespin.mozilla.com/docs/#code/syntax/javascript.js

I just talked to Ben and Dion and they'd be happy to answer any questions
you have about implementing a Python highlighter, but there isn't one around
currently.

- Atul

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Steven Githens <swgithen at mtu.edu> wrote:

> Awesome meeting last night.
>
> Does anyone follow the email lists and stuff for this:
> https://bespin.mozilla.com/index.html
>
> Wondering if anyone in the know, knows the status of Python file
> highlighting.  It says there is only js/html/css(or something else) at the
> moment.
>
> -s
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Feb 14 09:44:46 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:44:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] videos are on the way
In-Reply-To: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
References: <4995D369.1030604@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <4996847E.1040307@personnelware.com>

Carl Karsten wrote:
> the talks are transcoded and uploading as I type.

But I can only upload 1gig per day, and the files are:

-rw-r--r-- 1 carl carl  773328996 2009-02-13 06:31 Arduino.ogg
-rw-r--r-- 1 carl carl 1291849572 2009-02-13 11:30 BlueGene.ogg
-rw-r--r-- 1 carl carl  871957697 2009-02-13 06:42 installers.ogg
-rw-r--r-- 1 carl carl  670396330 2009-02-13 06:22 orbs.ogg
-rw-r--r-- 1 carl carl  610099125 2009-02-13 10:35 py2exe.ogg

So looks like it's gonna be one per day - and need to do something about 
1,291,849,572....

Carl K

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Sat Feb 14 16:23:00 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:23:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Bespin Python Highlighting
In-Reply-To: <4995D18C.1010001@mtu.edu>
References: <4995CDC5.4070006@mtu.edu>
	<3E8E601D-4AAD-49A6-8EA7-DD76923F8102@cs.depaul.edu>
	<4995D18C.1010001@mtu.edu>
Message-ID: <8F4E3477-B991-4D8E-8928-0E7B37B8ED61@cs.depaul.edu>

yes.

web2py runs with Jython but not the database drivers. There is an  
experimental version in trunk with support for sqlite under zxJDBC but  
I have not tried it yet.

web2py runs with IronPython but
1) not the database drivers
2) you have to comment (import csv) thus no CSV IO
3) you cannot use the internal wsgi web server. You have to use some  
other web server.

Massimo

On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Steven Githens wrote:

> Actually, I started using EditArea for my project a few months ago  
> after
> being introduced to it by web2py.  :p
>
> I'm mostly interested in this because it has sidebars, the command  
> line
> on the bottom, and the other IDE lookin' stuff going on.  Which  
> would be
> cool for my thing ( which is a sort of jython extension to my dayjob
> j2ee project for scripting our system with jython/jruby/groovy/ 
> whatever ).
>
> Completely random, but have you tried running web2py in Jython2.5 at  
> all
> yet?  ( or IronPython ).
>
>
> -s
>
> Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
>> I do not know about bespin but
>>
>> for server-side python to html highlighting:
>> 1) pygments is great although a bit heavy for my taste.
>> 2) web2py provides a funciton
>>
>>     CODE(open('yourfile.py','r').read(),language='python')
>>
>> for client-side (js code) python to html highlighting:
>> 3) editarea works great.
>>
>> Massimo
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Steven Githens wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome meeting last night.
>>>
>>> Does anyone follow the email lists and stuff for this:
>>> https://bespin.mozilla.com/index.html
>>>
>>> Wondering if anyone in the know, knows the status of Python file
>>> highlighting.  It says there is only js/html/css(or something  
>>> else) at
>>> the moment.
>>>
>>> -s
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 06:26:08 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:26:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] ANN: Nose Plugin to run JavaScript tests
Message-ID: <b571660a0902152126s5d0cbed7le37930a54937120e@mail.gmail.com>

I've been messing around with a Nose plugin that discovers JavaScript
test files (just like .py files but ending in .js).  It collects them
and runs them all at the end in a java subprocess using Rhino.  Not
the most elegant solution but so far it seems like a nice way to
maintain a test suite of both Python and JavaScript code.

easy_install NoseJS

Documentation: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/NoseJS

It's still experimental so if anyone has a suite of JavaScript tests
please let me know if it works or not.  There is some support for
JavaScript libraries that are tied to the DOM of a browser.

-Kumar

PS. Even though the root of the word "Rhinocerous" means nose in
ancient Greek I still couldn't think of a clever name that wasn't,
well, too clever.

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 19:17:29 2009
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:17:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon Session Chairs
Message-ID: <3096c19d0902171017o29ca996gfbe548694a61b1af@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

You can now sign up as a session chair for Pycon sessions:
http://us.pycon.org/2009/conference/schedule/

The session chair is responsible for being at the session a little
early, helping the speaker with water and instruction, introducting
the speaker, and keeping the speaker aware of time.  I'll help you
with your duties.  It's a pretty low-impact job.

Get to signing up!

Chris

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 20:38:29 2009
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:38:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon Session Chairs
In-Reply-To: <acff52240902171108s43b2631fo5fdb86c00ec1f063@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902171017o29ca996gfbe548694a61b1af@mail.gmail.com>
	<acff52240902171108s43b2631fo5fdb86c00ec1f063@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0902171138w38c8b8boee36d9fa6a2d0adf@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Concerned in Chicago wrote:
> Where's the sign-up sheet?
>
> - *REDACTED*
>

Sorry about that Concerned, you have to click on the session, then
there's a link inside of the fancy ajazzzzz popup that says "volunteer
to be the session chair."

Chris

From tcp at mac.com  Tue Feb 17 20:46:38 2009
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:46:38 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon Session Chairs
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0902171138w38c8b8boee36d9fa6a2d0adf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902171017o29ca996gfbe548694a61b1af@mail.gmail.com>
	<acff52240902171108s43b2631fo5fdb86c00ec1f063@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0902171138w38c8b8boee36d9fa6a2d0adf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6BB9590-C97D-4B8C-AD03-9F35D8F4FC6E@mac.com>


On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Concerned in Chicago wrote:
>> Where's the sign-up sheet?
>>
>> - *REDACTED*
>>
>
> Sorry about that Concerned, you have to click on the session, then
> there's a link inside of the fancy ajazzzzz popup that says "volunteer
> to be the session chair."
>
> Chris


In fact, you need to hover over the session name, etc and wait for the  
tooltip to come up and that's where you can opt in to being a session  
chair -- clicking on the session will likely just mark it as a session  
you're interested in attending.

-ted

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 20:53:00 2009
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:53:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon Session Chairs
In-Reply-To: <B6BB9590-C97D-4B8C-AD03-9F35D8F4FC6E@mac.com>
References: <3096c19d0902171017o29ca996gfbe548694a61b1af@mail.gmail.com>
	<acff52240902171108s43b2631fo5fdb86c00ec1f063@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0902171138w38c8b8boee36d9fa6a2d0adf@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6BB9590-C97D-4B8C-AD03-9F35D8F4FC6E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0902171153t1f4c176eg1e3b31d9bc25f64a@mail.gmail.com>

Listen to Ted.  That f'er is smmmmmmmart.

Chris

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Ted Pollari <tcp at mac.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Concerned in Chicago wrote:
>>>
>>> Where's the sign-up sheet?
>>>
>>> - *REDACTED*
>>>
>>
>> Sorry about that Concerned, you have to click on the session, then
>> there's a link inside of the fancy ajazzzzz popup that says "volunteer
>> to be the session chair."
>>
>> Chris
>
>
> In fact, you need to hover over the session name, etc and wait for the
> tooltip to come up and that's where you can opt in to being a session chair
> -- clicking on the session will likely just mark it as a session you're
> interested in attending.
>
> -ted
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From tcp at mac.com  Tue Feb 17 21:01:21 2009
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:01:21 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon Session Chairs
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0902171153t1f4c176eg1e3b31d9bc25f64a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902171017o29ca996gfbe548694a61b1af@mail.gmail.com>
	<acff52240902171108s43b2631fo5fdb86c00ec1f063@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0902171138w38c8b8boee36d9fa6a2d0adf@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6BB9590-C97D-4B8C-AD03-9F35D8F4FC6E@mac.com>
	<3096c19d0902171153t1f4c176eg1e3b31d9bc25f64a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E4A9F6D-B96A-4319-92CA-9ADCEFCF4844@mac.com>


On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote:

> Listen to Ted.  That f'er is smmmmmmmart.
>
> Chris


Can I get that on a tshirt?



From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 01:11:05 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:11:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] [nose-users] Re: ANN: Nose Plugin to run JavaScript
	tests
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0902172115280.6789@alice>
References: <b571660a0902152126s5d0cbed7le37930a54937120e@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902162106390.6923@alice>
	<b571660a0902161610j11bfb7edoe3463d4434388ce7@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0902172115280.6789@alice>
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM, John J Lee <jjl at pobox.com> wrote:
>> Hmm, actually, I think it was just my misunderstanding of the original
>> docs when it said you can't call a method *in Python* that was defined
>> in JavaScript.  But calling a method in JS defined in JS probably
>> always worked.
>
> What docs say that?  Both should be possible.  I don't work on it, I'm
> just curious.

It was a doctest example on the page Atul posted:
http://code.google.com/p/python-spidermonkey/
under Limitations, this line:

>>> cx.eval_script("function foo(x) { return x + 1; }; foo;")
{'prototype': {}}

showing how the return value is not a python function, like you might expect.

>
>> version but had no luck.  There were no instructions and I had a lot
>> of trouble getting the XUL dy-libs to bind correctly.  I forget
>> exactly how I first got it to build in Atul's fork.
>
> Better off asking Paul, I guess.  You didn't mention which OS platform
> you're on, BTW.

yeah, I'll try to bug him about it.  It looks like he has disabled
issue tracking on github but I posted my progress on the wiki:
http://wiki.github.com/davisp/python-spidermonkey/building-on-mac-os-x


>
>
> John
>
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 01:43:04 2009
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:43:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon Session Chairs
In-Reply-To: <9E4A9F6D-B96A-4319-92CA-9ADCEFCF4844@mac.com>
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	<acff52240902171108s43b2631fo5fdb86c00ec1f063@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0902171138w38c8b8boee36d9fa6a2d0adf@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6BB9590-C97D-4B8C-AD03-9F35D8F4FC6E@mac.com>
	<3096c19d0902171153t1f4c176eg1e3b31d9bc25f64a@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4ef15ddc0902171643t76e74b6o15f2d57e21d7205d@mail.gmail.com>

http://github.com/inky/see/tree/master

see(pencil_case)
  ?   []   for   in   +   *   +=   *=   <   <=   ==   !=   >   >=   len()
  .append()   .count()   .extend()   .index()   .insert()   .pop()   .remove()
  .reverse()   .sort()

vs

>>> dir(pencil_case)
['__add__', '__class__', '__contains__', '__delattr__', '__delitem__', '__delsli
ce__', '__doc__', '__eq__', '__ge__', '__getattribute__', '__getitem__', '__gets
lice__', '__gt__', '__hash__', '__iadd__', '__imul__', '__init__', '__iter__', '
__le__', '__len__', '__lt__', '__mul__', '__ne__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__r
educe_ex__', '__repr__', '__reversed__', '__rmul__', '__setattr__', '__setitem__
', '__setslice__', '__str__', 'append', 'count', 'extend', 'index', 'insert', 'p
op', 'remove', 'reverse', 'sort']



On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Ted Pollari <tcp at mac.com> wrote:

>
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote:
>
>  Listen to Ted.  That f'er is smmmmmmmart.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
>
> Can I get that on a tshirt?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



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From Neil_Katz at playstation.sony.com  Wed Feb 18 16:47:05 2009
From: Neil_Katz at playstation.sony.com (Neil_Katz at playstation.sony.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:47:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Sony Playstation - Python Developer - Full-Time
	Opportunity
Message-ID: <OF5CD6D71C.CAAE5C47-ON88257561.0056A024-85257561.0056C7DF@playstation.sony.com>

Hi - I work at Playstation and we're looking to hire an intermediate level 
Python Developer for our R&D team.  This full-time opportunity is located 
in our Foster City, CA office.  If interested in pursuing this 
opportunity, please contact me at neil_katz at playstation.sony.com 

Thanks, Neil



Software Engineer, Server 

U.S. Research & Development (US R&D) is building and expanding services 
for the PlayStation? family of platforms. 

The candidate will be a skilled Python software developer with experience 
in designing and implementing web applications with a database backend. 
The candidate will expand upon the currently implemented system and 
incorporate new requirements with opportunities in the design of new 
components and services. The candidate will work with the project manager 
and development team to maintain schedule and software quality. 

- Experience with scripting languages, especially Python, a must. Strong 
skills in Python-based web frameworks like Django may be considered as an 
alternative to Java expertise. 

- Knowledge in Java based web application and database application 
development a plus. Ideally be experienced with common application servers 
like Tomcat, web frameworks such as Struts, database application tools 
such as persistence layers and in SQL use. 

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From cosmin at offbytwo.com  Wed Feb 18 21:04:30 2009
From: cosmin at offbytwo.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:04:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Pycon Session Chairs
In-Reply-To: <4ef15ddc0902171643t76e74b6o15f2d57e21d7205d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902171017o29ca996gfbe548694a61b1af@mail.gmail.com>
	<acff52240902171108s43b2631fo5fdb86c00ec1f063@mail.gmail.com>
	<3096c19d0902171138w38c8b8boee36d9fa6a2d0adf@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6BB9590-C97D-4B8C-AD03-9F35D8F4FC6E@mac.com>
	<3096c19d0902171153t1f4c176eg1e3b31d9bc25f64a@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E4A9F6D-B96A-4319-92CA-9ADCEFCF4844@mac.com>
	<4ef15ddc0902171643t76e74b6o15f2d57e21d7205d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <383bbcce0902181204h456e03fh6c942721afcf2c18@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know what this has to do with pycon session chairs but it's pretty
neat.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Brian Herman <brianherman at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://github.com/inky/see/tree/master
>
> see(pencil_case)
>   ?   []   for   in   +   *   +=   *=   <   <=   ==   !=   >   >=   len()
>   .append()   .count()   .extend()   .index()   .insert()   .pop()   .remove()
>
>   .reverse()   .sort()
>
> vs
>
> >>> dir(pencil_case)
> ['__add__', '__class__', '__contains__', '__delattr__', '__delitem__', '__delsli
> ce__', '__doc__', '__eq__', '__ge__', '__getattribute__', '__getitem__', '__gets
>
> lice__', '__gt__', '__hash__', '__iadd__', '__imul__', '__init__', '__iter__', '
> __le__', '__len__', '__lt__', '__mul__', '__ne__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__r
>
> educe_ex__', '__repr__', '__reversed__', '__rmul__', '__setattr__', '__setitem__
> ', '__setslice__', '__str__', 'append', 'count', 'extend', 'index', 'insert', 'p
>
> op', 'remove', 'reverse', 'sort']
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Ted Pollari <tcp at mac.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote:
>>
>>  Listen to Ted.  That f'er is smmmmmmmart.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>>
>> Can I get that on a tshirt?
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Brian Herman
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>


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From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Thu Feb 19 17:23:56 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:23:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] unicode -> xml
Message-ID: <8AF47573-78FC-48A1-BE45-3514FC5844CC@cs.depaul.edu>

problem. Given

 >>> a=chr(245).decode('latin-1').encode('utf8','xmlcharref')
 >>> print a
?

how do I translate this into valid escaped XML "&U+xxxx;" in the  
general case?

Masimo

From murman at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 17:38:47 2009
From: murman at gmail.com (Michael Urman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:38:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] unicode -> xml
In-Reply-To: <8AF47573-78FC-48A1-BE45-3514FC5844CC@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <8AF47573-78FC-48A1-BE45-3514FC5844CC@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <dcbbbb410902190838i9e51b8bpcc4aa7b11e4778d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:23, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> problem. Given
>
>>>> a=chr(245).decode('latin-1').encode('utf8','xmlcharref')
>>>> print a
> ?
>
> how do I translate this into valid escaped XML "&U+xxxx;" in the general
> case?

Do you prefer something like
>>> c = chr(245).decode('latin-1')
>>> c.encode('ascii','xmlcharrefreplace')

Or something like
>>> '&U+%04X' % ord(c)

-- 
Michael Urman

From cosmin at offbytwo.com  Thu Feb 19 17:39:02 2009
From: cosmin at offbytwo.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:39:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] unicode -> xml
In-Reply-To: <8AF47573-78FC-48A1-BE45-3514FC5844CC@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <8AF47573-78FC-48A1-BE45-3514FC5844CC@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <383bbcce0902190839j629a7ecar47a30ebba9514ab4@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Massimo Di Pierro <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu
> wrote:

> problem. Given
>
> >>> a=chr(245).decode('latin-1').encode('utf8','xmlcharref')
> >>> print a
> ?
>
> how do I translate this into valid escaped XML "&U+xxxx;" in the general
> case?
>

reduce(lambda x,y: x + y[2:].upper(), map(lambda x: hex(ord(x)), a), '&U+')

-- 
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http://offbytwo.com
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From bray at sent.com  Thu Feb 19 17:40:50 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:40:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] unicode -> xml
In-Reply-To: <8AF47573-78FC-48A1-BE45-3514FC5844CC@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <8AF47573-78FC-48A1-BE45-3514FC5844CC@cs.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <3EB78EB9-5D72-4119-8915-C8BC6B67C11D@sent.com>


On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:

> problem. Given
>
> >>> a=chr(245).decode('latin-1').encode('utf8','xmlcharref')
> >>> print a
> ?
>
> how do I translate this into valid escaped XML "&U+xxxx;" in the  
> general case?
>

This reference mentions something along those lines:

   <http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/06/15/py-xml.html>

Does this help?

Brian Ray




From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Thu Feb 19 19:13:43 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:13:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] unicode -> xml
In-Reply-To: <3EB78EB9-5D72-4119-8915-C8BC6B67C11D@sent.com>
References: <8AF47573-78FC-48A1-BE45-3514FC5844CC@cs.depaul.edu>
	<3EB78EB9-5D72-4119-8915-C8BC6B67C11D@sent.com>
Message-ID: <E8744D75-4FC1-4A18-B1AD-9AB6D91C16AB@cs.depaul.edu>

Thank you this is exactly what I was looking for:

 >>> import codecs
 >>> enc = codecs.getencoder('us-ascii')
 >>> text=chr(245)
 >>> enc(text.decode('latin-1'),'xmlcharrefreplace')[0]
'&#245;'

Massimo

On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Brian Ray wrote:

>
> On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
>
>> problem. Given
>>
>>>>> a=chr(245).decode('latin-1').encode('utf8','xmlcharref')
>>>>> print a
>> ?
>>
>> how do I translate this into valid escaped XML "&U+xxxx;" in the
>> general case?
>>
>
> This reference mentions something along those lines:
>
>   <http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/06/15/py-xml.html>
>
> Does this help?
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From ken at stox.org  Fri Feb 20 05:00:18 2009
From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:00:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Flourish 2009 Registration Now Open
Message-ID: <1235102418.9778.76.camel@stox.dyndns.org>

If you're not familiar with the conference, have a look at the
webpage, this will be the 3rd year running with hopefully many more to
come.

It's a FLOSS (Free Libre Open Source Software) conference completely
organized, and run by a student body.



FLOURISH 2009 BRINGS TOGETHER OPEN-SOURCE EXPERTS
FROM AROUND CHICAGO, THE MIDWEST, AND AROUND THE
WORLD



WHAT

        Flourish 2009


        Flourish is an annual conference dedicated
        to bringing together experts and enthusiasts
        in Free, Libre, Open Source Software (FLOSS).

        Attendees of Flourish have an opportunity to
        see how using, creating and supporting FLOSS
        can enhance their careers, businesses and
        academic aspirations.

        Admission always free.

WHO

The University of Illinois at Chicago's ACM and IEEE chapters, with
sponsorship from Motorola, Sun Microsystems, Orbitz, and others.

WHY

- Key open-source topics such as Google Android, Kubuntu, the Linux
kernel, open mapping, user interfaces, music collaboration, and
energy-efficient supercomputing.


- Speakers like Ruby On Rails creator David Heinemeier Hansson,
open-source law expert Daliah Sapers, and kernel hacker Christoph
Lameter,

- In-depth workshops on Erlang, Drupal, OpenSolaris, and Processing.


WHEN

        April 3 - 4, 2009
        9am - 5pm

WHERE

        UIC Student Center East
        750 South Halsted

HOW

Register at:

http://www.flourishconf.com/register

Follow updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/flourishconf/





From jason at jrandolph.com  Sat Feb 21 01:43:30 2009
From: jason at jrandolph.com (Jason Huggins)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:43:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] imaplib and gmail... the inbox count is wrong! Wrong,
	I tell ya!
Message-ID: <53b9568a0902201643x4cfbb552r2cdc62c32daa3375@mail.gmail.com>

Hiya, folks!

I tried googling this, but nothing came up in my quest... so I'm
switching to "Let's ask some humans" mode.

I'm trying to get an accurate count of the total number of messages
(read and unread) in my Inbox.

Here's my code:
>>> import imaplib
>>> mail = imaplib.IMAP4_SSL('imap.gmail.com', 993)
>>> mail.login('larry at gmail.com','sergey_is_my_homeboy')
('OK', ['larry at gmail.com authenticated (Success)'])
>>> status, count = mail.select ('Inbox')
>>> status, count
('OK', ['9332'])

If I log into Gmail through the web, the inbox count is different (and
thousands less than 9332). The 9332 number appears to be the number if
I open "All Mail" through the web. Is there a way to *just* get the
number of messages in the inbox? It feels like the above code should
give me the accurate number, but it's not.

Thanks!

- jason

From orblivion at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 02:42:17 2009
From: orblivion at gmail.com (Dan Krol)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:42:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] imaplib and gmail... the inbox count is wrong! Wrong,
	I 	tell ya!
In-Reply-To: <53b9568a0902201643x4cfbb552r2cdc62c32daa3375@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53b9568a0902201643x4cfbb552r2cdc62c32daa3375@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94e10adf0902201742k15271e9cnb32543ba5de1f3fe@mail.gmail.com>

I'll say this, sometimes my inbox count on the web is wrong. I've
gotten the likes of "1-100 of 101", through weird orders of archiving
things.

On 2/20/09, Jason Huggins <jason at jrandolph.com> wrote:
> Hiya, folks!
>
> I tried googling this, but nothing came up in my quest... so I'm
> switching to "Let's ask some humans" mode.
>
> I'm trying to get an accurate count of the total number of messages
> (read and unread) in my Inbox.
>
> Here's my code:
>>>> import imaplib
>>>> mail = imaplib.IMAP4_SSL('imap.gmail.com', 993)
>>>> mail.login('larry at gmail.com','sergey_is_my_homeboy')
> ('OK', ['larry at gmail.com authenticated (Success)'])
>>>> status, count = mail.select ('Inbox')
>>>> status, count
> ('OK', ['9332'])
>
> If I log into Gmail through the web, the inbox count is different (and
> thousands less than 9332). The 9332 number appears to be the number if
> I open "All Mail" through the web. Is there a way to *just* get the
> number of messages in the inbox? It feels like the above code should
> give me the accurate number, but it's not.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - jason
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From fawad at fawad.net  Sat Feb 21 03:44:18 2009
From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:44:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] imaplib and gmail... the inbox count is wrong! Wrong,
	I 	tell ya!
In-Reply-To: <53b9568a0902201643x4cfbb552r2cdc62c32daa3375@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53b9568a0902201643x4cfbb552r2cdc62c32daa3375@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <191920ad0902201844p5717ba09w90954a0d3feb9516@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm,
  It works for me.

>>> mail.select('INBOX')[1]
['25']
>>> mail.select('[Gmail]/All Mail')[1]
['148403']

The INBOX count I'm getting is consistent with the number of messages
in my inbox (read and unread).

Regards
-fawad

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Jason Huggins <jason at jrandolph.com> wrote:
> Hiya, folks!
>
> I tried googling this, but nothing came up in my quest... so I'm
> switching to "Let's ask some humans" mode.
>
> I'm trying to get an accurate count of the total number of messages
> (read and unread) in my Inbox.
>
> Here's my code:
>>>> import imaplib
>>>> mail = imaplib.IMAP4_SSL('imap.gmail.com', 993)
>>>> mail.login('larry at gmail.com','sergey_is_my_homeboy')
> ('OK', ['larry at gmail.com authenticated (Success)'])
>>>> status, count = mail.select ('Inbox')
>>>> status, count
> ('OK', ['9332'])
>
> If I log into Gmail through the web, the inbox count is different (and
> thousands less than 9332). The 9332 number appears to be the number if
> I open "All Mail" through the web. Is there a way to *just* get the
> number of messages in the inbox? It feels like the above code should
> give me the accurate number, but it's not.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - jason
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 17:23:50 2009
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:23:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Basic Regex Question
Message-ID: <3096c19d0902210823h17ac7753p9a7f571f0d268115@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I have the following regex:
album_regex = re.compile(r'(?P<artist>.*)\s-\s(?P<album>.*)\((?P<label>.*)\)')

Which matches things like: John Coltrane - Interstellar Space
(Impulse ASD 9277)
artist: John Coltrane
album: Interstellar Space
label: Impulse ASD 9277

very well, but has troubles on lines like:

John Coltrane - Coltrane In Japan  (Impulse (J) IMR 9036C)
artist: John Coltrane
album: Coltrane In Japan  (Impulse
label: J) IMR 9036C

I get the feeling that there's a simple switch to say "get the first
and last parens", but I'm having trouble with it, as I'm impatient,
and not so hot at regex's.

Help me ChiPy, you're my only hope.

Chris

From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Feb 21 17:47:56 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:47:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Basic Regex Question
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0902210823h17ac7753p9a7f571f0d268115@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902210823h17ac7753p9a7f571f0d268115@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A0303C.3070707@personnelware.com>

Chris McAvoy wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have the following regex:
> album_regex = re.compile(r'(?P<artist>.*)\s-\s(?P<album>.*)\((?P<label>.*)\)')
> 
> Which matches things like: John Coltrane - Interstellar Space
> (Impulse ASD 9277)
> artist: John Coltrane
> album: Interstellar Space
> label: Impulse ASD 9277
> 
> very well, but has troubles on lines like:
> 
> John Coltrane - Coltrane In Japan  (Impulse (J) IMR 9036C)
> artist: John Coltrane
> album: Coltrane In Japan  (Impulse
> label: J) IMR 9036C
> 
> I get the feeling that there's a simple switch to say "get the first
> and last parens", but I'm having trouble with it, as I'm impatient,
> and not so hot at regex's.
> 
> Help me ChiPy, you're my only hope.

can you give me a few lines of code that print the the Bs in "AAA(BBB)CCC"

I am hot for regex, but not so hot with the python re module.

Help me, help you.

Carl K





From murman at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 17:48:29 2009
From: murman at gmail.com (Michael Urman)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:48:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Basic Regex Question
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0902210823h17ac7753p9a7f571f0d268115@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902210823h17ac7753p9a7f571f0d268115@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dcbbbb410902210848j3db7235fj242c909dd34960dd@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:23, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have the following regex:
> album_regex = re.compile(r'(?P<artist>.*)\s-\s(?P<album>.*)\((?P<label>.*)\)')

Perhaps adjust the middle part to (?P<album>.*?) to make it non-greedy.

> I get the feeling that there's a simple switch to say "get the first
> and last parens", but I'm having trouble with it, as I'm impatient,
> and not so hot at regex's.

Nope there's not; that's not how regexs work. However this case is
simple enough it just might be doable. Instead of each part grabbing
as much as possible such that later parts match, you can make some
parts grab as little as possible such that later parts match.

-- 
Michael Urman

From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Sat Feb 21 17:55:19 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:55:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Basic Regex Question
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0902210823h17ac7753p9a7f571f0d268115@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902210823h17ac7753p9a7f571f0d268115@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D0A1A07-3D8A-4A95-8CC5-1565C114C3CF@cs.depaul.edu>

This should do it

album_regex = re.compile(r'^(?P<artist>.*)\s-\s(?P<album>.*?)\((? 
P<label>.*)\)$')


On Feb 21, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have the following regex:
> album_regex = re.compile(r'(?P<artist>.*)\s-\s(?P<album>.*)\((? 
> P<label>.*)\)')
>
> Which matches things like: John Coltrane - Interstellar Space
> (Impulse ASD 9277)
> artist: John Coltrane
> album: Interstellar Space
> label: Impulse ASD 9277
>
> very well, but has troubles on lines like:
>
> John Coltrane - Coltrane In Japan  (Impulse (J) IMR 9036C)
> artist: John Coltrane
> album: Coltrane In Japan  (Impulse
> label: J) IMR 9036C
>
> I get the feeling that there's a simple switch to say "get the first
> and last parens", but I'm having trouble with it, as I'm impatient,
> and not so hot at regex's.
>
> Help me ChiPy, you're my only hope.
>
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 17:58:20 2009
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:58:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Basic Regex Question
In-Reply-To: <9D0A1A07-3D8A-4A95-8CC5-1565C114C3CF@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <3096c19d0902210823h17ac7753p9a7f571f0d268115@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D0A1A07-3D8A-4A95-8CC5-1565C114C3CF@cs.depaul.edu>
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Massimo is the winner!

Thanks

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Massimo Di Pierro
<mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> This should do it
>
> album_regex =
> re.compile(r'^(?P<artist>.*)\s-\s(?P<album>.*?)\((?P<label>.*)\)$')
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have the following regex:
>> album_regex =
>> re.compile(r'(?P<artist>.*)\s-\s(?P<album>.*)\((?P<label>.*)\)')
>>
>> Which matches things like: John Coltrane - Interstellar Space
>> (Impulse ASD 9277)
>> artist: John Coltrane
>> album: Interstellar Space
>> label: Impulse ASD 9277
>>
>> very well, but has troubles on lines like:
>>
>> John Coltrane - Coltrane In Japan  (Impulse (J) IMR 9036C)
>> artist: John Coltrane
>> album: Coltrane In Japan  (Impulse
>> label: J) IMR 9036C
>>
>> I get the feeling that there's a simple switch to say "get the first
>> and last parens", but I'm having trouble with it, as I'm impatient,
>> and not so hot at regex's.
>>
>> Help me ChiPy, you're my only hope.
>>
>> Chris
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From brianherman at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 18:42:14 2009
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:42:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Basic Regex Question
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0902210858j70f6ec4fve422987800d4aa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3096c19d0902210823h17ac7753p9a7f571f0d268115@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D0A1A07-3D8A-4A95-8CC5-1565C114C3CF@cs.depaul.edu>
	<3096c19d0902210858j70f6ec4fve422987800d4aa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ef15ddc0902210942v7b0e318fpd12f404b6d25b3b9@mail.gmail.com>

Does he win a snake?

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com>wrote:

> Massimo is the winner!
>
> Thanks
>
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > This should do it
> >
> > album_regex =
> > re.compile(r'^(?P<artist>.*)\s-\s(?P<album>.*?)\((?P<label>.*)\)$')
> >
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I have the following regex:
> >> album_regex =
> >> re.compile(r'(?P<artist>.*)\s-\s(?P<album>.*)\((?P<label>.*)\)')
> >>
> >> Which matches things like: John Coltrane - Interstellar Space
> >> (Impulse ASD 9277)
> >> artist: John Coltrane
> >> album: Interstellar Space
> >> label: Impulse ASD 9277
> >>
> >> very well, but has troubles on lines like:
> >>
> >> John Coltrane - Coltrane In Japan  (Impulse (J) IMR 9036C)
> >> artist: John Coltrane
> >> album: Coltrane In Japan  (Impulse
> >> label: J) IMR 9036C
> >>
> >> I get the feeling that there's a simple switch to say "get the first
> >> and last parens", but I'm having trouble with it, as I'm impatient,
> >> and not so hot at regex's.
> >>
> >> Help me ChiPy, you're my only hope.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago mailing list
> >> Chicago at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Sincerely,
Brian Herman
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From d-beazley at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 23 17:03:51 2009
From: d-beazley at sbcglobal.net (David Beazley)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:03:51 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Concurrency Workshop - Chicago
Message-ID: <130D2E8D-DA78-419F-8E00-1E65B6C7517C@sbcglobal.net>

Chipy, please pardon the interruption...

I'd just like to let everyone know about an advanced Python course
that I'm running in Chicago this May.

		     Python Concurrency Workshop
			   May 14-15, 2009
			  Chicago, Illinois
		    http://www.dabeaz.com/chicago

If you have been programming Python for awhile and want to take your
skills up a notch, I think this may be of interest.  Basically, we're
going to take a in-depth look at concurrent programming idioms and
library modules.  Topics will include such things as threads, message
passing, the new multiprocessing library, coroutines, asynchronous
I/O, and other matters with an eye towards writing programs that can
run on multiple CPU cores or clusters.  A big part of the class will
focus on performance characteristics, tradeoffs, and comparisons
between different approaches---material that is often difficult to
come by from reading the manual.  Also, due to the intrinsic
complexity of the topic, a number of other advanced Python topics
may make an appearance for good measure (e.g., decorators, Python 3.0,
etc.).

More details are available at the above URL.   Also, I'll just mention
that I'm running an "Introduction to Python" class just prior to
this workshop.  That might not be of interest to people on this
list, but if you work with anyone who is trying to get up to speed
with Python, you might pass it along.

Please feel free to contact me with further questions.

Just as aside, it occurs to me that May 14 is the same day as the
usual Chipy meeting.   If there is interest, I might be able to offer
the same space I'm using for this class (in the Chicago loop) as
a venue.   I will have to check if that's possible, but it's just a  
thought.

Cheers,
Dave

From MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu  Mon Feb 23 20:53:48 2009
From: MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:53:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
References: <5BFCBD45-F1E2-47CF-92C1-C69762732322@sent.com>
Message-ID: <F65A0AA8-D73A-4086-BC44-8B63CC5D6A65@cs.depaul.edu>

ok

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Brian Ray <bray at sent.com>
> Date: February 23, 2009 1:42:47 PM CST
> To: "DiPierro, Massimo" <MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> Subject: Re: March meeting
>
> That sounds like a great idea. I am in favor. Why not post to the
> ChiPy list and see what other say?
>
> Thanks, Brian
>
> On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> I can host at DePaul on March 12 iff you want me to.
>>
>> Massimo
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Feb 23 21:03:42 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:03:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
In-Reply-To: <F65A0AA8-D73A-4086-BC44-8B63CC5D6A65@cs.depaul.edu>
References: <5BFCBD45-F1E2-47CF-92C1-C69762732322@sent.com>
	<F65A0AA8-D73A-4086-BC44-8B63CC5D6A65@cs.depaul.edu>
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What happened to Sully?s?  that place was great.

Carl K

Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
> ok
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Brian Ray <bray at sent.com>
>> Date: February 23, 2009 1:42:47 PM CST
>> To: "DiPierro, Massimo" <MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu>
>> Subject: Re: March meeting
>>
>> That sounds like a great idea. I am in favor. Why not post to the
>> ChiPy list and see what other say?
>>
>> Thanks, Brian
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> I can host at DePaul on March 12 iff you want me to.
>>>
>>> Massimo
>>
>> Brian Ray
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From bray at sent.com  Mon Feb 23 21:11:36 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:11:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
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References: <5BFCBD45-F1E2-47CF-92C1-C69762732322@sent.com>
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On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> What happened to Sully?s?  that place was great.

Sully's is still an option. But, you know how I like to move things  
around.  My fear is that if we get too set in a venue it alienates  
those who do not like that venue and would prefer somewhere else. That  
is all.

Your thoughts?

Brian Ray




From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Feb 23 21:39:16 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:39:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
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Brian Ray wrote:
> 
> On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> 
>> What happened to Sully?s?  that place was great.
> 
> Sully's is still an option. But, you know how I like to move things 
> around.  My fear is that if we get too set in a venue it alienates those 
> who do not like that venue and would prefer somewhere else. That is all.
> 
> Your thoughts?

Are you sure any such people exist?

I really liked the whole food and drink service at the meeting.

It's 2 blocks from the Red Line, 1.5 mile from blue, 1.5 from a metra,  3 miles 
from the rest (whats a 3 mile cab cost?)

Free parking was cake.

Carl K

From allan2600 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 21:51:10 2009
From: allan2600 at gmail.com (Allan Spale)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:51:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
In-Reply-To: <49A30974.7000105@personnelware.com>
References: <5BFCBD45-F1E2-47CF-92C1-C69762732322@sent.com>
	<F65A0AA8-D73A-4086-BC44-8B63CC5D6A65@cs.depaul.edu>
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Even though I did not go last month, I give +1 for the central location.


On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> Brian Ray wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>>
>>  What happened to Sully's?  that place was great.
>>>
>>
>> Sully's is still an option. But, you know how I like to move things
>> around.  My fear is that if we get too set in a venue it alienates those who
>> do not like that venue and would prefer somewhere else. That is all.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>
> Are you sure any such people exist?
>
> I really liked the whole food and drink service at the meeting.
>
> It's 2 blocks from the Red Line, 1.5 mile from blue, 1.5 from a metra,  3
> miles from the rest (whats a 3 mile cab cost?)
>
> Free parking was cake.
>
> Carl K
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From cosmin at offbytwo.com  Mon Feb 23 21:58:34 2009
From: cosmin at offbytwo.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:58:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
In-Reply-To: <548DE8B3-8E31-4F7E-8600-A577B56BAB9A@sent.com>
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:

>
> On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>
>  What happened to Sully's?  that place was great.
>>
>
> Sully's is still an option. But, you know how I like to move things around.
>  My fear is that if we get too set in a venue it alienates those who do not
> like that venue and would prefer somewhere else. That is all.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
>
If we're going to go with that line of thinking we should try also using
different days of the week, some people are busy pretty much every Thursday.

If we're going to stick to having meetings on the same day I see no harm
from having meetings at the same venue, especially if said venue is close to
public transit (and bonus points for having food and alcohol available
before, during and after the meeting).

-- 
Cosmin Stejerean
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From swgithen at mtu.edu  Mon Feb 23 22:01:45 2009
From: swgithen at mtu.edu (Steven Githens)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:01:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
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I have to say, even though we occasionally repeat venues (but typically 
not consecutively), I've enjoyed having a different location every month 
and checking out the Google Offices, The Downtown DePaul, The Northern 
DePaul (or whatever it was 2 months ago?), That Coffee Shop near 
Fullerton that's open all night, that shirt factory with the arcade 
games, that web development firm in the same area as the shirt factory 
where everyone uses Emacs, Thoughtworks, That Bar From Last Month, 
whatever university room we had in the loop when Humanized talked about 
why Python was their tool of choice, brewpub XYZed and other places 
around Chicago I'm forgetting about.  As long as it's in the loop or 
near an El stop.

-steve

Allan Spale wrote:
> Even though I did not go last month, I give +1 for the central location.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com 
> <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>> wrote:
>
>     Brian Ray wrote:
>
>
>         On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>
>             What happened to Sully's?  that place was great.
>
>
>         Sully's is still an option. But, you know how I like to move
>         things around.  My fear is that if we get too set in a venue
>         it alienates those who do not like that venue and would prefer
>         somewhere else. That is all.
>
>         Your thoughts?
>
>
>     Are you sure any such people exist?
>
>     I really liked the whole food and drink service at the meeting.
>
>     It's 2 blocks from the Red Line, 1.5 mile from blue, 1.5 from a
>     metra,  3 miles from the rest (whats a 3 mile cab cost?)
>
>     Free parking was cake.
>
>     Carl K
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Chicago mailing list
>     Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From tcp at mac.com  Mon Feb 23 22:05:57 2009
From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:05:57 -0800
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
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On Feb 23, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Steven Githens wrote:

> I have to say, even though we occasionally repeat venues (but  
> typically not consecutively), I've enjoyed having a different  
> location every month and checking out the Google Offices, The  
> Downtown DePaul, The Northern DePaul (or whatever it was 2 months  
> ago?), That Coffee Shop near Fullerton that's open all night, that  
> shirt factory with the arcade games, that web development firm in  
> the same area as the shirt factory where everyone uses Emacs,  
> Thoughtworks, That Bar From Last Month, whatever university room we  
> had in the loop when Humanized talked about why Python was their  
> tool of choice, brewpub XYZed and other places around Chicago I'm  
> forgetting about.  As long as it's in the loop or near an El stop.
>
> -steve


+1  I think it adds something to the appeal to move around -- though,  
that having been said, Carl makes really good points about Sully's  
accessibility -- so IMHO, making it a frequent repeat venue is fine --  
but variety needs to be kept as well.  (I care more now that I'll be  
back in Chicago for good in a few months ;-)

-ted



From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu  Mon Feb 23 22:16:54 2009
From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:16:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
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+1

I just said, that if you need a place. DePaul may be an option but I  
need to know in advance.

Massimo

On Feb 23, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Steven Githens wrote:

> I have to say, even though we occasionally repeat venues (but  
> typically
> not consecutively), I've enjoyed having a different location every  
> month
> and checking out the Google Offices, The Downtown DePaul, The Northern
> DePaul (or whatever it was 2 months ago?), That Coffee Shop near
> Fullerton that's open all night, that shirt factory with the arcade
> games, that web development firm in the same area as the shirt factory
> where everyone uses Emacs, Thoughtworks, That Bar From Last Month,
> whatever university room we had in the loop when Humanized talked  
> about
> why Python was their tool of choice, brewpub XYZed and other places
> around Chicago I'm forgetting about.  As long as it's in the loop or
> near an El stop.
>
> -steve
>
> Allan Spale wrote:
>> Even though I did not go last month, I give +1 for the central  
>> location.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com
>> <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>> wrote:
>>
>>    Brian Ray wrote:
>>
>>
>>        On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>>
>>            What happened to Sully's?  that place was great.
>>
>>
>>        Sully's is still an option. But, you know how I like to move
>>        things around.  My fear is that if we get too set in a venue
>>        it alienates those who do not like that venue and would prefer
>>        somewhere else. That is all.
>>
>>        Your thoughts?
>>
>>
>>    Are you sure any such people exist?
>>
>>    I really liked the whole food and drink service at the meeting.
>>
>>    It's 2 blocks from the Red Line, 1.5 mile from blue, 1.5 from a
>>    metra,  3 miles from the rest (whats a 3 mile cab cost?)
>>
>>    Free parking was cake.
>>
>>    Carl K
>>
>>    _______________________________________________
>>    Chicago mailing list
>>    Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>>    http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From jcroneme at thoughtworks.com  Tue Feb 24 16:16:56 2009
From: jcroneme at thoughtworks.com (Josh Cronemeyer)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:16:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
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Message-ID: <OF1F8CBC06.049E47C6-ON86257567.0053D274-86257567.0053F338@thoughtworks.com>

+1 for keeping things moving for all the same reasons steven just listed.





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I have to say, even though we occasionally repeat venues (but typically 
not consecutively), I've enjoyed having a different location every month 
and checking out the Google Offices, The Downtown DePaul, The Northern 
DePaul (or whatever it was 2 months ago?), That Coffee Shop near 
Fullerton that's open all night, that shirt factory with the arcade 
games, that web development firm in the same area as the shirt factory 
where everyone uses Emacs, Thoughtworks, That Bar From Last Month, 
whatever university room we had in the loop when Humanized talked about 
why Python was their tool of choice, brewpub XYZed and other places 
around Chicago I'm forgetting about.  As long as it's in the loop or 
near an El stop.

-steve

Allan Spale wrote:
> Even though I did not go last month, I give +1 for the central location.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com 
> <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>> wrote:
>
>     Brian Ray wrote:
>
>
>         On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>
>             What happened to Sully's?  that place was great.
>
>
>         Sully's is still an option. But, you know how I like to move
>         things around.  My fear is that if we get too set in a venue
>         it alienates those who do not like that venue and would prefer
>         somewhere else. That is all.
>
>         Your thoughts?
>
>
>     Are you sure any such people exist?
>
>     I really liked the whole food and drink service at the meeting.
>
>     It's 2 blocks from the Red Line, 1.5 mile from blue, 1.5 from a
>     metra,  3 miles from the rest (whats a 3 mile cab cost?)
>
>     Free parking was cake.
>
>     Carl K
>
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>     Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 17:12:16 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:12:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> Brian Ray wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>>
>>> What happened to Sully?s? ?that place was great.
>>
>> Sully's is still an option. But, you know how I like to move things
>> around. ?My fear is that if we get too set in a venue it alienates those who
>> do not like that venue and would prefer somewhere else. That is all.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>
> Are you sure any such people exist?
>
> I really liked the whole food and drink service at the meeting.

+1 for beer

>
> It's 2 blocks from the Red Line, 1.5 mile from blue, 1.5 from a metra, ?3
> miles from the rest (whats a 3 mile cab cost?)
>
> Free parking was cake.
>
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From sakamura at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 17:31:42 2009
From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:31:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
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From g at rrett.us.com  Tue Feb 24 19:45:11 2009
From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:45:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago] March topics
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I recall we had a (tentative?) list of topics set for the March meeting. 

In the event there are any open slots and people are interested, I have some materials prepared on Thrift. 

http://incubator.apache.org/thrift 

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From g at rrett.us.com  Tue Feb 24 19:52:51 2009
From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:52:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
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----- "Carl Karsten" <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>> Brian Ray wrote:
>> Sully's is still an option. But, you know how I like to move things 
>> around.  My fear is that if we get too set in a venue it alienates
>> those who do not like that venue and would prefer somewhere else. That is
>> all.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
> 
> Are you sure any such people exist?

I appreciate the variety, though I think beer availability ought to tilt the
scales in favor of a particular venue.

Dave Beazley has offered his teaching venue as a possibility. I think we
should take him up on that, if it's still a possibility.

Btw, I'm tentatively planning to attend his Concurrency workshop. It looks
pretty bad ass.

Garrett

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 20:05:51 2009
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:05:51 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] March topics
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	<6675505599917230661@unknownmsgid>
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I would be interested in seeing how thrift works, especially if you showed
it in another language like C++ as well.

Dan

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Garrett Smith <g at rrett.us.com> wrote:

> I recall we had a (tentative?) list of topics set for the March meeting.
>
> In the event there are any open slots and people are interested, I have
> some materials prepared on Thrift.
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/thrift
>
> Garrett
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 17:12:20 2009
From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:12:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
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+1

David Beazley's Concurrency Workshop will be held at the Silversmith Hotel at 10 South Wabash Avenue. 

I think this would be an interesting location and we might even get free wifi that works. (I know Sully's had wifi, but with the size of our crowd it got saturated pretty quickly.)



--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Garrett Smith <g at rrett.us.com> wrote:
From: Garrett Smith <g at rrett.us.com>
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Fwd: March meeting
To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" <chicago at python.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 12:52 PM

----- "Carl Karsten" <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>> Brian Ray wrote:
>> Sully's is still an option. But, you know how I like to move
things 
>> around.  My fear is that if we get too set in a venue it alienates
>> those who do not like that venue and would prefer somewhere else. That
is
>> all.
>>
>> Your thoughts?
> 
> Are you sure any such people exist?

I appreciate the variety, though I think beer availability ought to tilt the
scales in favor of a particular venue.

Dave Beazley has offered his teaching venue as a possibility. I think we
should take him up on that, if it's still a possibility.

Btw, I'm tentatively planning to attend his Concurrency workshop. It looks
pretty bad ass.

Garrett
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From d-beazley at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 26 12:28:13 2009
From: d-beazley at sbcglobal.net (David Beazley)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:28:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] May Meeting
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1235646002.29501.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.5.1235646002.29501.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <27CCD3ED-120D-4882-A878-EA4DE8A95C19@sbcglobal.net>

>
Just for clarification, the Silversmith location would be for May---a  
few months ahead.   I have no idea on the March meeting.

If there is interest in this (which there seems to be), I will need to  
make a few phone calls to see if I can reserve the space for that  
evening.  Sadly, hotels don't operate on a "charity model" although I  
might be able to swing it since I'm running events every day that week  
at the same location.    I'll get back with everyone after I find  
out.  In the meantime, perhaps Chipy can tell their friends who need  
"reeducation" that there's a Python class being offered downtown in  
the loop (wink ;-).

Cheers,
Dave


>
> +1
>
> David Beazley's Concurrency Workshop will be held at the Silversmith  
> Hotel at 10 South Wabash Avenue.
>
> I think this would be an interesting location and we might even get  
> free wifi that works. (I know Sully's had wifi, but with the size of  
> our crowd it got saturated pretty quickly.)
>

From dan.mahn at digidescorp.com  Thu Feb 26 18:17:56 2009
From: dan.mahn at digidescorp.com (Dan Mahn)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:17:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python 3.0 urllib.parse.urlencode()
Message-ID: <49A6CEC4.20800@digidescorp.com>

Hello,

I'm writing a test suite that uses URLs and HTTP requests.

I would like to use a 'latin-1' for encoding some of the query string 
information.  I noticed in the Python 3.0 library documentation that 
urllib.parse.quote_plus() allows me to send "bytes".  When I use 
quote_plus() directly, I can encode my string in my choice of encodings 
(i.e. "latin-1") and send the resulting bytes to quote_plus(), and it 
does exactly what I expect.

Considering quote_plus() takes "bytes", I expected urlencode() to allow 
the same, but it does not.  However, with a slight modification, it can. 
  For instance (I am using doseq=0):

changing:

            v = quote_plus(str(v))

to ...

            if isinstance(v, bytes):
                 v = quote_plus(v)
             else:
                 v = quote_plus(str(v))


Produces the result I would expect.

Does this seem like something that has been overlooked, and should be 
the default behavior?  Python 3.0 has introduced some changes in the 
APIs here, and this appears to affect functionality that is unique to 3.0.

Additionally, it would seem to me that urlencode() itself should take an 
"encoding" parameter, and possibly other parameters, that would be 
passed on to quote_plus().  However, that could be worked around as long 
as urlencode() could use "bytes", as above.  (Actually, the above ought 
to be extended to "k", as well as the "doseq" side of the if.)


From d-beazley at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 27 12:28:32 2009
From: d-beazley at sbcglobal.net (David Beazley)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:28:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python 3.0 urllib.parse.urlencode()
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1235732403.4491.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.5.1235732403.4491.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <0D57B158-508D-4AC5-9A78-BD9A496E95CB@sbcglobal.net>

>
> Does this seem like something that has been overlooked, and should be
> the default behavior?  Python 3.0 has introduced some changes in the
> APIs here, and this appears to affect functionality that is unique  
> to 3.0.
>
> Additionally, it would seem to me that urlencode() itself should  
> take an
> "encoding" parameter, and possibly other parameters, that would be
> passed on to quote_plus().  However, that could be worked around as  
> long
> as urlencode() could use "bytes", as above.  (Actually, the above  
> ought
> to be extended to "k", as well as the "doseq" side of the if.)
>

I don't know if this is something that's been overlooked or not.   
However, I recently did a fairly thorough pass through the Python 3.0  
libraries when updating my book and found *numerous* problems/bugs  
related to inconsistent treatment of strings/bytes--especially with  
regard to encodings of binary data into text formats (Base 64, quopri,  
hex, etc.).  Just as an example:

 >>> base64.b64encode(b'hello')
b'aGVsbG8='
 >>>

Discussion: The purpose of base64 is to encode data into text.  So,  
should that result be a byte string or a text string?

It wouldn't surprise me if there are inconsistencies in other places  
(like urlencode).  You might check the Python bug tracker and submit a  
report to see what happens (the developers will let you know if they  
think it's expected behavior or not).

Cheers,
Dave




From g at rrett.us.com  Fri Feb 27 16:20:07 2009
From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:20:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago] May Meeting
In-Reply-To: <27CCD3ED-120D-4882-A878-EA4DE8A95C19@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <EMEWEMEW2_DELIMl1Q9K73f3840deaa61b09b5bd4d2, g@rrett.us.com,
	1627904916.3765461235748007443.JavaMail.roo>

I just realized that I got the dates wrong, and am thus the source of
confusion. Sorry. Though it won't be the last time :-/

----- "David Beazley" <d-beazley at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> >
> Just for clarification, the Silversmith location would be for May---a 
> 
> few months ahead.   I have no idea on the March meeting.
> 
> If there is interest in this (which there seems to be), I will need to
>  
> make a few phone calls to see if I can reserve the space for that  
> evening.  Sadly, hotels don't operate on a "charity model" although I 
> 
> might be able to swing it since I'm running events every day that week
>  
> at the same location.    I'll get back with everyone after I find  
> out.  In the meantime, perhaps Chipy can tell their friends who need 
> 
> "reeducation" that there's a Python class being offered downtown in  
> the loop (wink ;-).
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
> 
> >
> > +1
> >
> > David Beazley's Concurrency Workshop will be held at the Silversmith
>  
> > Hotel at 10 South Wabash Avenue.
> >
> > I think this would be an interesting location and we might even get 
> 
> > free wifi that works. (I know Sully's had wifi, but with the size of
>  
> > our crowd it got saturated pretty quickly.)
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 17:35:04 2009
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:35:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] CherryPy decorators question
Message-ID: <3db160680902270835h2f467abej6d86684641d645ef@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am a bit confused about decorators in cherrypy and was hoping someone
could help me. I am trying to add a decorator to some pages to deal with
security stuff but when I add them I break the decorators that expose the
methods. I think im doing something wrong syntactically.

def auth(func):
     print "some stuff"


class .....

@auth
def index(self):
      return some template
index.exposed = True

Python complains that one or the other is broken and im pretty confused
about why there seems to be 2 different syntaxes.

Thanks,
Dan
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From lists at durin42.com  Fri Feb 27 18:19:29 2009
From: lists at durin42.com (Augie Fackler)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:19:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] CherryPy decorators question
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References: <3db160680902270835h2f467abej6d86684641d645ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <033EFDAC-A633-40E6-B9C1-39AA4917D1E0@durin42.com>


On Feb 27, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am a bit confused about decorators in cherrypy and was hoping  
> someone could help me. I am trying to add a decorator to some pages  
> to deal with security stuff but when I add them I break the  
> decorators that expose the methods. I think im doing something wrong  
> syntactically.
>
> def auth(func):
>      print "some stuff"

Your decorator needs to return a callable - in this case, probably func.


>
> class .....
>
> @auth
> def index(self):
>       return some template
> index.exposed = True
>
> Python complains that one or the other is broken and im pretty  
> confused about why there seems to be 2 different syntaxes.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 18:22:16 2009
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:22:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] CherryPy decorators question
In-Reply-To: <033EFDAC-A633-40E6-B9C1-39AA4917D1E0@durin42.com>
References: <3db160680902270835h2f467abej6d86684641d645ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<033EFDAC-A633-40E6-B9C1-39AA4917D1E0@durin42.com>
Message-ID: <3db160680902270922x6991f044vba713eac7a03734e@mail.gmail.com>

That makes sense :)
Thanks
Dan

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Augie Fackler <lists at durin42.com> wrote:

>
> On Feb 27, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> I am a bit confused about decorators in cherrypy and was hoping someone
>> could help me. I am trying to add a decorator to some pages to deal with
>> security stuff but when I add them I break the decorators that expose the
>> methods. I think im doing something wrong syntactically.
>>
>> def auth(func):
>>     print "some stuff"
>>
>
> Your decorator needs to return a callable - in this case, probably func.
>
>
>
>> class .....
>>
>> @auth
>> def index(self):
>>      return some template
>> index.exposed = True
>>
>> Python complains that one or the other is broken and im pretty confused
>> about why there seems to be 2 different syntaxes.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
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From bray at sent.com  Fri Feb 27 18:56:11 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:56:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] May Meeting
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On Feb 27, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Garrett Smith wrote:

> I just realized that I got the dates wrong, and am thus the source of
> confusion. Sorry. Though it won't be the last time :-/


At least you found a venue for May, sort of! Yay!

Now all we need you to do is get a ChiPy discount on Dave's class.

Brian Ray