From joe.jasinski at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 17:04:54 2009
From: joe.jasinski at gmail.com (Joe Jasinski)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:04:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dec talks
In-Reply-To: <acff52240911281427o7f281994u74882696196fdf97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bb5a3b520911281417u3b0e412ega294e1ac0fbcc619@mail.gmail.com>
	<acff52240911281427o7f281994u74882696196fdf97@mail.gmail.com>
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That sounds interesting.  Would enjoy a RESTful Django talk.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 4:27 PM, William Scullin <wscullin at alcf.anl.gov>wrote:

> +1
>
> On Nov 28, 2009 5:17 PM, "Matt Dorn" <matt.dorn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Next ChiPy is Thurs Dec 10. > > We currently have: > Packaging Python for
> Debian/Ubuntu (Tal Liron...
> I'd like to give a talk on creating REST-ful Web apps with Django
> Piston, and how that makes it easy to give those apps a rich Ajax-y
> interface with Ext JS.
>
> Any interest?
>
> Matt
>
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>
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 17:50:16 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:50:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dec talks
In-Reply-To: <d9df880f0912010804o390c0ab7m8a253a274a9c7ca4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bb5a3b520911281417u3b0e412ega294e1ac0fbcc619@mail.gmail.com>
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I think these 2 will be just right:

Thursday December 10, 2009 7PM
Topics
------
1. 19:00 Packaging Python for Debian/Ubuntu (Tal Liron
<tal.liron at threecrickets.com>)
2. 20:00 REST-ful Web apps with Django Piston (Matt Dorn <matt.dorn at gmail.com>)

I'll announce as soon as I get confirmation we have a place to meet.
paging Brian to the white email box...


On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Joe Jasinski <joe.jasinski at gmail.com> wrote:
> That sounds interesting.? Would enjoy a RESTful Django talk.
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 4:27 PM, William Scullin <wscullin at alcf.anl.gov>
> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2009 5:17 PM, "Matt Dorn" <matt.dorn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Next ChiPy is Thurs Dec 10. > > We currently have: > Packaging Python
>> > for Debian/Ubuntu (Tal Liron...
>>
>> I'd like to give a talk on creating REST-ful Web apps with Django
>> Piston, and how that makes it easy to give those apps a rich Ajax-y
>> interface with Ext JS.
>>
>> Any interest?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org http://mail....
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Dec  1 17:53:29 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:53:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
Message-ID: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>

Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting?  Now that it is this
month, I think it is OK.

Next months meeting (which is different than next meeting) is Jan 14
at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as Sears.

If you want to talk about something, post away.

-- 
Carl K

From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Tue Dec  1 18:03:22 2009
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:03:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>
	(Carl Karsten's message of "Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:53:29 -0600")
References: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>

I elect to give one of two talks:
 - Using d-bus for awesome application communication
 - The history of free and open source software

Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:

> Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting?  Now that it is this
> month, I think it is OK.
>
> Next months meeting (which is different than next meeting) is Jan 14
> at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as Sears.
>
> If you want to talk about something, post away.

From dgriff1 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 18:04:54 2009
From: dgriff1 at gmail.com (Daniel Griffin)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:04:54 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
References: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>
	<874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
Message-ID: <3db160680912010904n66c9383pc0a8ceab1ace99fb@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested in d-bus. So +1 for that.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Christopher Allan Webber <
cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:

> I elect to give one of two talks:
>  - Using d-bus for awesome application communication
>  - The history of free and open source software
>
> Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:
>
> > Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting?  Now that it is this
> > month, I think it is OK.
> >
> > Next months meeting (which is different than next meeting) is Jan 14
> > at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as Sears.
> >
> > If you want to talk about something, post away.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From selizondo at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 18:10:16 2009
From: selizondo at gmail.com (selizondo)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:10:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
References: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>
	<874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
Message-ID: <5626be60912010910r7b80de1em2364c21754ac944b@mail.gmail.com>

d-bus +1

From chad at glendenin.com  Tue Dec  1 18:15:00 2009
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:15:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <191d03ff0912010915r5cf77c41ka5a36451591b580f@mail.gmail.com>

Would anybody be interested in a quick intro to Git, and maybe to
GitHub.com? It could be more of a lightning talk. I could go over the
basics like setting up a new repo, checking out an existing repo,
forking somebody else's repo, the basic workflow in your local
repository, local branches, and maybe show a couple of the cool tricks
that Git has (like 'git add --patch', which lets you incrementally
commit changes from the same file so that the commits are conceptually
atomic).

My ulterior motive is that I want somebody to give the same talk for
Mercurial so I can see how the two compare. :-)

ccg

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting? ?Now that it is this
> month, I think it is OK.
>
> Next months meeting (which is different than next meeting) is Jan 14
> at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as Sears.
>
> If you want to talk about something, post away.
>
> --
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From allan2600 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 03:51:35 2009
From: allan2600 at gmail.com (Allan Spale)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:51:35 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
References: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>
	<874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
Message-ID: <79acc5430912011851s5d92cbf7m33eb376673ef1a92@mail.gmail.com>

Definitely +1 for dbus.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Christopher Allan Webber <
cwebber at dustycloud.org> wrote:

> I elect to give one of two talks:
>  - Using d-bus for awesome application communication
>  - The history of free and open source software
>
> Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> writes:
>
> > Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting?  Now that it is this
> > month, I think it is OK.
> >
> > Next months meeting (which is different than next meeting) is Jan 14
> > at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as Sears.
> >
> > If you want to talk about something, post away.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Wed Dec  2 05:05:58 2009
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:05:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <3db160680912010904n66c9383pc0a8ceab1ace99fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>	<874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
	<3db160680912010904n66c9383pc0a8ceab1ace99fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B15E7A6.40700@threecrickets.com>

D-Bus is something that I can do a talk about, too... Maybe instead I'll 
just sit at the talk and ask annoying, condescending questions.

On 12/01/2009 11:04 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:
> I am interested in d-bus. So +1 for that.
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Christopher Allan Webber 
> <cwebber at dustycloud.org <mailto:cwebber at dustycloud.org>> wrote:
>
>     I elect to give one of two talks:
>      - Using d-bus for awesome application communication
>      - The history of free and open source software
>
>     Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com
>     <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>> writes:
>
>     > Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting?  Now that it
>     is this
>     > month, I think it is OK.
>     >
>     > Next months meeting (which is different than next meeting) is Jan 14
>     > at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as Sears.
>     >
>     > If you want to talk about something, post away.
>     _______________________________________________
>     Chicago mailing list
>     Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>
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> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>    

From szybalski at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 18:33:59 2009
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:33:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] datahub 0.8 is available
Message-ID: <804e5c70912020933r3e829f3dl3dd50bd9f9b689fc@mail.gmail.com>

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/datahub/0.8.90dev

    * Datahub is a tool that allows faster download/crawl, parse,
load, and visualize of data. It achieves this by allowing you to
divide each step into its own work folders. In each work folder you
get a sample files that you can start coding in.
    * Datahub is for people who found some interesting data source for
them, they want to download it, parse it, load it into database,
provide some documentation, and visualize it. Datahub will speed up
the process by creating folder for each of these actions. You will
create all the programs from our base default template and move on to
analyzing the data in no time.


If you are doing data conversions from public/private datasets this
tool is for you.

Few packages that use datahub: (recall database from NHTSA, crwal,
parse, load into db as easy as running "sh process.sh")  coming soon.

Enjoy.


Lucas

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 22:40:18 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:40:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Organizing a Sprint
In-Reply-To: <ae6584d30912021206o7aed721fwe4cec0acd4744652@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae6584d30911101851w3f10894atf1a0c523b6d6ef68@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140911301004p6140c2e1q29c731b210086fc5@mail.gmail.com>
	<c90890f0911301019m3bc2d585x685c5209edba788d@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae6584d30912020951r1216b06fg8188a6a6fe1ee634@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140912021106w39922274k95ebd06443519013@mail.gmail.com>
	<c90890f0912021148y7639fd2cuc7c43b297b344da5@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae6584d30912021153q7066507awf1debcea2c9b3a41@mail.gmail.com>
	<c90890f0912021155g5d17a591ic7392cbf5353065@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140912021205y3a4a2604t35cb54aea664f46c@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae6584d30912021206o7aed721fwe4cec0acd4744652@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140912021340g612130b6jc1a243128c68b5f7@mail.gmail.com>

CC the d-dev post to the chipy list:  chicago at python.org

Any reason not to have it on:
http://chicagotechcal.com

If not, I'll submit it.  or you can.


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've added both those details. ?If there's anything else people want
> to add feel free to add it to the wiki yourself :) ?I'll send an email
> to django-developers later this evening.
>
> Alex
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Parking should be easy on Ravenswood for those who want to drive,
>>
>> Are there any scary signs like 'employee parking only'? ? ?I seem to
>> remember something like that around Landscape.
>>
>>> it's a 5 minute walk from either the Irving Park or Montrose brown
>>> line stops.
>>
>> Stuff ready for the wiki should just be added to the wiki.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>>
>> --
>>
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-chicago+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago?hl=en.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
> right to say it." -- Voltaire
> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
> "Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
> want" -- Me
>
> --
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From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 22:44:27 2009
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:44:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Organizing a Sprint
In-Reply-To: <549053140912021340g612130b6jc1a243128c68b5f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae6584d30911101851w3f10894atf1a0c523b6d6ef68@mail.gmail.com>
	<c90890f0911301019m3bc2d585x685c5209edba788d@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae6584d30912020951r1216b06fg8188a6a6fe1ee634@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140912021106w39922274k95ebd06443519013@mail.gmail.com>
	<c90890f0912021148y7639fd2cuc7c43b297b344da5@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae6584d30912021153q7066507awf1debcea2c9b3a41@mail.gmail.com>
	<c90890f0912021155g5d17a591ic7392cbf5353065@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140912021205y3a4a2604t35cb54aea664f46c@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae6584d30912021206o7aed721fwe4cec0acd4744652@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140912021340g612130b6jc1a243128c68b5f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ae6584d30912021344y687489a3t242b8ac5acae5e62@mail.gmail.com>

I hadn't even heard of that calendar before, feel free to add it
there!  I'll be sure to CC ChiPy.

Thanks,
Alex

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> CC the d-dev post to the chipy list: ?chicago at python.org
>
> Any reason not to have it on:
> http://chicagotechcal.com
>
> If not, I'll submit it. ?or you can.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've added both those details. ?If there's anything else people want
>> to add feel free to add it to the wiki yourself :) ?I'll send an email
>> to django-developers later this evening.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Parking should be easy on Ravenswood for those who want to drive,
>>>
>>> Are there any scary signs like 'employee parking only'? ? ?I seem to
>>> remember something like that around Landscape.
>>>
>>>> it's a 5 minute walk from either the Irving Park or Montrose brown
>>>> line stops.
>>>
>>> Stuff ready for the wiki should just be added to the wiki.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl K
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-chicago+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago?hl=en.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
>> right to say it." -- Voltaire
>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>> "Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
>> want" -- Me
>>
>> --
>>
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-chicago+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago?hl=en.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
>
> --
>
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
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>
>
>



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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it." -- Voltaire
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
"Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
want" -- Me

From fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 16:03:10 2009
From: fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com (perlsyntax)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:03:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Socket question
Message-ID: <4B17D32E.90002@gmail.com>

Is there away in python i can connect to a server in socket to two 
servers at the same time or can't it be done?

From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 17:00:33 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:00:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Socket question
In-Reply-To: <4B17D32E.90002@gmail.com>
References: <4B17D32E.90002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b571660a0912030800i4653282fn69fe0bb0385d7191@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:03 AM, perlsyntax
<fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there away in python i can connect to a server in socket to two servers
> at the same time or can't it be done?


it's just an object, you can instantiate as many as you want.  See:
http://docs.python.org/library/socket.html#example

then modify with:

PORT = 50007              # Arbitrary non-privileged port
s1 = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM)
s1.bind(('creditcardnumbers.ru', PORT))
s2 = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM)
s2.bind(('customeraddresses.ru', PORT))

From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 05:22:10 2009
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:22:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Django Developed Sprint in Chicago, January 9-10
Message-ID: <ae6584d30912022022y25e50eddj932a6082a4c8e541@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

On Janaury 9-10 in Chicago we'll be holding a development sprint for
Django.  This sprint will focus primarily on bugfixing for Django's
upcoming 1.2 release.  No prior experience is needed, there'll be
plenty of people there to help you get started!  More information can
be found here: http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/Sprint20101Chicago .
 If you're interested/planning on showing up just add yourself to the
list.  Everyblock has graciously offered up their offices for our use.

Hope to see you there,
Alex

-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it." -- Voltaire
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
"Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
want" -- Me

From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 22:02:12 2009
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (deadwisdom at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:02:12 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Socket question
In-Reply-To: <b571660a0912030800i4653282fn69fe0bb0385d7191@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001485f99df4241f6f0479d94e51@google.com>

You can't be reading from both at the same time, though. It blocks while  
it's reading. You'll have to create a new thread or use Eventlet  
(http://eventlet.net/), which is currently my favorite python library ever.  
Damn is it cool.

On Dec 3, 2009 10:00am, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:03 AM, perlsyntax

> fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Is there away in python i can connect to a server in socket to two  
> servers

> > at the same time or can't it be done?





> it's just an object, you can instantiate as many as you want. See:

> http://docs.python.org/library/socket.html#example



> then modify with:



> PORT = 50007 # Arbitrary non-privileged port

> s1 = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM)

> s1.bind(('creditcardnumbers.ru', PORT))

> s2 = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM)

> s2.bind(('customeraddresses.ru', PORT))

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From esm at logic.net  Thu Dec  3 22:05:51 2009
From: esm at logic.net (Ed Marshall)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:05:51 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Socket question
In-Reply-To: <001485f99df4241f6f0479d94e51@google.com>
References: <b571660a0912030800i4653282fn69fe0bb0385d7191@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM, <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can't be reading from both at the same time, though. It blocks while
> it's reading. You'll have to create a new thread or use Eventlet (
> http://eventlet.net/), which is currently my favorite python library ever.
> Damn is it cool.
>

http://docs.python.org/library/select.html
http://docs.python.org/library/asyncore.html
http://docs.python.org/library/asynchat.html

:-)

-- 
Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net>
Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 22:07:37 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:07:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Organizing a Sprint
In-Reply-To: <ae6584d30912021344y687489a3t242b8ac5acae5e62@mail.gmail.com>
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Alex,

Here is something maybe worth adding to your announcement:

http://blip.tv/file/2082162 "Intro to Sprinting by Brett Cannon - What
sprinting is: a group of people doing something together. "

your call - it isn't 100% spot on, but is pretty good.


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
> I hadn't even heard of that calendar before, feel free to add it
> there! ?I'll be sure to CC ChiPy.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>> CC the d-dev post to the chipy list: ?chicago at python.org
>>
>> Any reason not to have it on:
>> http://chicagotechcal.com
>>
>> If not, I'll submit it. ?or you can.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I've added both those details. ?If there's anything else people want
>>> to add feel free to add it to the wiki yourself :) ?I'll send an email
>>> to django-developers later this evening.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Parking should be easy on Ravenswood for those who want to drive,
>>>>
>>>> Are there any scary signs like 'employee parking only'? ? ?I seem to
>>>> remember something like that around Landscape.
>>>>
>>>>> it's a 5 minute walk from either the Irving Park or Montrose brown
>>>>> line stops.
>>>>
>>>> Stuff ready for the wiki should just be added to the wiki.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carl K
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-chicago+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago?hl=en.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
>>> right to say it." -- Voltaire
>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>> "Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
>>> want" -- Me
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-chicago+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago?hl=en.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carl K
>>
>> --
>>
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-chicago+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago?hl=en.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
> right to say it." -- Voltaire
> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
> "Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
> want" -- Me
>
> --
>
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
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>
>
>



-- 
Carl K

From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 23:13:55 2009
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (deadwisdom at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:13:55 +0000
Subject: [Chicago] Socket question
In-Reply-To: <9f14e18c0912031305j5bde3c18te0da35871a8a72d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001636283ee8a033680479da4e02@google.com>

Yes, I suppose that's true. You don't have to block on reading.

With Eventlet, though, you have a sort of free, easy threading that makes  
it even easier to do.

On Dec 3, 2009 3:05pm, Ed Marshall <esm at logic.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM, deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can't be reading from both at the same time, though. It blocks while  
> it's reading. You'll have to create a new thread or use Eventlet  
> (http://eventlet.net/), which is currently my favorite python library  
> ever. Damn is it cool.



> http://docs.python.org/library/select.html
> http://docs.python.org/library/asyncore.html

> http://docs.python.org/library/asynchat.html
> :-)

> --
> Ed Marshall esm at logic.net>
> Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.

> http://esm.logic.net/

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From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 00:00:55 2009
From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:00:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Socket question
In-Reply-To: <001485f99df4241f6f0479d94e51@google.com>
References: <b571660a0912030800i4653282fn69fe0bb0385d7191@mail.gmail.com>
	<001485f99df4241f6f0479d94e51@google.com>
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM,  <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
> You can't be reading from both at the same time, though. It blocks while
> it's reading. You'll have to create a new thread or use Eventlet
> (http://eventlet.net/), which is currently my favorite python library ever.
> Damn is it cool.

Neat!  So I guess a better answer is use eventlet's green sockets to
make it appear as though you are simultaneously reading from two
sockets: http://eventlet.net/doc/basic_usage.html#socket-functions

>
> On Dec 3, 2009 10:00am, Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:03 AM, perlsyntax
>>
>> fasteliteprogrammer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Is there away in python i can connect to a server in socket to two
>> > servers
>>
>> > at the same time or can't it be done?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> it's just an object, you can instantiate as many as you want. ?See:
>>
>> http://docs.python.org/library/socket.html#example
>>
>>
>>
>> then modify with:
>>
>>
>>
>> PORT = 50007 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?# Arbitrary non-privileged port
>>
>> s1 = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM)
>>
>> s1.bind(('creditcardnumbers.ru', PORT))
>>
>> s2 = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM)
>>
>> s2.bind(('customeraddresses.ru', PORT))
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Chicago mailing list
>>
>> Chicago at python.org
>>
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>

From alex.gaynor at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 22:08:56 2009
From: alex.gaynor at gmail.com (Alex Gaynor)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:08:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Organizing a Sprint
In-Reply-To: <549053140912031307v1e19b8f9v35b358c8d7ef636c@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ae6584d30912031308x2df7778djb90daa181777d498@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't know you recorded that, I'm just going to add it to the
general Django sprinting page :)

Alex

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
> Alex,
>
> Here is something maybe worth adding to your announcement:
>
> http://blip.tv/file/2082162 "Intro to Sprinting by Brett Cannon - What
> sprinting is: a group of people doing something together. "
>
> your call - it isn't 100% spot on, but is pretty good.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I hadn't even heard of that calendar before, feel free to add it
>> there! ?I'll be sure to CC ChiPy.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> CC the d-dev post to the chipy list: ?chicago at python.org
>>>
>>> Any reason not to have it on:
>>> http://chicagotechcal.com
>>>
>>> If not, I'll submit it. ?or you can.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I've added both those details. ?If there's anything else people want
>>>> to add feel free to add it to the wiki yourself :) ?I'll send an email
>>>> to django-developers later this evening.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Parking should be easy on Ravenswood for those who want to drive,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any scary signs like 'employee parking only'? ? ?I seem to
>>>>> remember something like that around Landscape.
>>>>>
>>>>>> it's a 5 minute walk from either the Irving Park or Montrose brown
>>>>>> line stops.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuff ready for the wiki should just be added to the wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Carl K
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
>>>>> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-chicago+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago?hl=en.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
>>>> right to say it." -- Voltaire
>>>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>>>> "Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
>>>> want" -- Me
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
>>>> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-chicago+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago?hl=en.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl K
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
>>> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
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>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago?hl=en.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
>> right to say it." -- Voltaire
>> "The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
>> "Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
>> want" -- Me
>>
>> --
>>
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to django-chicago at googlegroups.com.
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-chicago+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago?hl=en.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Carl K
>
> --
>
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Chicago Djangonauts" group.
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>
>
>



-- 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
right to say it." -- Voltaire
"The people's good is the highest law." -- Cicero
"Code can always be simpler than you think, but never as simple as you
want" -- Me

From bray at sent.com  Fri Dec  4 16:33:04 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:33:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dec talks
In-Reply-To: <549053140912010850x36abc02cwccc7c16fd577c5fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bb5a3b520911281417u3b0e412ega294e1ac0fbcc619@mail.gmail.com>
	<acff52240911281427o7f281994u74882696196fdf97@mail.gmail.com>
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On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> paging Brian to the white email box...


I confirmed with Sully's. See you all there.

This will be the best meeting ever!

Brian Ray




From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Dec  4 16:43:03 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:43:03 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Meeting: Dec 10 7pm Sullys
Message-ID: <549053140912040743t2c6955c1i1ca3feee68a6ef71@mail.gmail.com>

Chicao Python Users Group
=========================
Come join us for our best meeting ever!

When: 7 PM Thursday December 10, 2009
Where: Sully's House Tap Room and Grill

Topics
------
 1. 7:00 Packaging Python for Debian/Ubuntu (Tal Liron
<tal.liron at threecrickets.com>)
 2. 8:00 REST-ful Web apps with Django Piston (Matt Dorn <matt.dorn at gmail.com>)


Details
-------

1. Packaging Python for Debian/Ubuntu
Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
Introduction to the whole Debian distribution system, which is
actually pretty neat, and show you how to push your Python app into a
Personal Package Archive (PPA) on Launchpad, which is not neat at all
and in fact is an undocumented abyss teeming with poisonous,
man-eating crocodiles. I'll save you from the crocodiles.


2. REST-ful Web apps with Django Piston
Matt Dorn <matt.dorn at gmail.com>
A common complaint about Django, the leading Python web application
framework, is that it doesn't make writing REST APIs easy enough.  In
fact the paradigm for a typical Django application involves views
which map to HTML page templates.  With end users increasingly
expecting rich interfaces with the responsiveness of a desktop
application, this paradigm is being superseded.   Fortunately a
third-party Django application called Piston fills the gap.
Django/Piston can be combined with the Ext JS JavaScript framework and
widget set to create attractive, responsive Web applications, and this
talk will show you how.



Location
--------
Sully's House Tap Room and Grill
1501 N Dayton Street
Chicago, IL 60642
(773) 244-1234
http://www.sullyshouse.com

At the corner of Blackhawk and Dayton, (2) Blocks from the North &
Clybourn Red Line stop. Free street parking available.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1501+N+Dayton+Street+Chicago,+IL+60642

About the group
---------------
ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.

ChiPy website: <http://chipy.org>
ChiPy Mailing List: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago>
Python website: <http://python.org>


-- 
Carl K

From lumetta at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 16:22:20 2009
From: lumetta at gmail.com (Jake Lumetta)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:22:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 52, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1260010802.24809.chicago@python.org>
References: <mailman.15.1260010802.24809.chicago@python.org>
Message-ID: <31fd23510912050722m565ee537kb6ed1ba92541b4d3@mail.gmail.com>

I won't be able to make this month's meeting. There's two other events going
on at the same time, unfortunately. But I'm very interested in the Django
Piston talk, will there be video of the talk posted online afterwards?

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 5:00 AM, <chicago-request at python.org> wrote:

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> On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:
>
> > paging Brian to the white email box...
>
>
> I confirmed with Sully's. See you all there.
>
> This will be the best meeting ever!
>
> Brian Ray
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:43:03 -0600
> From: Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>,
>        ChiPy-announce at python.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Chicao Python Users Group
> =========================
> Come join us for our best meeting ever!
>
> When: 7 PM Thursday December 10, 2009
> Where: Sully's House Tap Room and Grill
>
> Topics
> ------
>  1. 7:00 Packaging Python for Debian/Ubuntu (Tal Liron
> <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>)
>  2. 8:00 REST-ful Web apps with Django Piston (Matt Dorn <
> matt.dorn at gmail.com>)
>
>
> Details
> -------
>
> 1. Packaging Python for Debian/Ubuntu
> Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com>
> Introduction to the whole Debian distribution system, which is
> actually pretty neat, and show you how to push your Python app into a
> Personal Package Archive (PPA) on Launchpad, which is not neat at all
> and in fact is an undocumented abyss teeming with poisonous,
> man-eating crocodiles. I'll save you from the crocodiles.
>
>
> 2. REST-ful Web apps with Django Piston
> Matt Dorn <matt.dorn at gmail.com>
> A common complaint about Django, the leading Python web application
> framework, is that it doesn't make writing REST APIs easy enough.  In
> fact the paradigm for a typical Django application involves views
> which map to HTML page templates.  With end users increasingly
> expecting rich interfaces with the responsiveness of a desktop
> application, this paradigm is being superseded.   Fortunately a
> third-party Django application called Piston fills the gap.
> Django/Piston can be combined with the Ext JS JavaScript framework and
> widget set to create attractive, responsive Web applications, and this
> talk will show you how.
>
>
>
> Location
> --------
> Sully's House Tap Room and Grill
> 1501 N Dayton Street
> Chicago, IL 60642
> (773) 244-1234
> http://www.sullyshouse.com
>
> At the corner of Blackhawk and Dayton, (2) Blocks from the North &
> Clybourn Red Line stop. Free street parking available.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1501+N+Dayton+Street+Chicago,+IL+60642
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 17:23:58 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:23:58 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 52, Issue 7
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On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Jake Lumetta <lumetta at gmail.com> wrote:
> I won't be able to make this month's meeting. There's two other events going
> on at the same time, unfortunately. But I'm very interested in the Django
> Piston talk, will there be video of the talk posted online afterwards?

yup - follow http://twitter.com/cfkarsten to see when they go up.

--
Carl K

From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Sun Dec  6 01:13:02 2009
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:13:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <4B15E7A6.40700@threecrickets.com> (Tal Liron's message of "Tue, 
	01 Dec 2009 22:05:58 -0600")
References: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>
	<874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
	<3db160680912010904n66c9383pc0a8ceab1ace99fb@mail.gmail.com>
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Well, I barely know d-bus.  It's just an interesting technology I
thought I'd lightly introduce.  If you'd prefer to give the talk, by all
means, go for it.  :)

 - cwebb

Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> writes:

> D-Bus is something that I can do a talk about, too... Maybe instead
> I'll just sit at the talk and ask annoying, condescending questions.
>
> On 12/01/2009 11:04 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:
>> I am interested in d-bus. So +1 for that.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
>> <cwebber at dustycloud.org <mailto:cwebber at dustycloud.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     I elect to give one of two talks:
>>      - Using d-bus for awesome application communication
>>      - The history of free and open source software
>>
>>     Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com
>>     <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>> writes:
>>
>>     > Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting?  Now that it
>>     is this
>>     > month, I think it is OK.
>>     >
>>     > Next months meeting (which is different than next meeting) is Jan 14
>>     > at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as Sears.
>>     >
>>     > If you want to talk about something, post away.
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Chicago mailing list
>>     Chicago at python.org <mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>>
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From tal.liron at threecrickets.com  Sun Dec  6 10:07:21 2009
From: tal.liron at threecrickets.com (Tal Liron)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:07:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <87zl5xvu29.fsf@dustycloud.org>
References: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>	<874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>	<3db160680912010904n66c9383pc0a8ceab1ace99fb@mail.gmail.com>	<4B15E7A6.40700@threecrickets.com>
	<87zl5xvu29.fsf@dustycloud.org>
Message-ID: <4B1B7449.3010101@threecrickets.com>

I'll stick to my plan of know-it-all condescension, if that's OK with you.

Kidding. Actually, the only thing I can say is that DBus in Python "just 
works." While in Ruby, it does not.

On 12/05/2009 06:13 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> Well, I barely know d-bus.  It's just an interesting technology I
> thought I'd lightly introduce.  If you'd prefer to give the talk, by all
> means, go for it.  :)
>
>   - cwebb
>
> Tal Liron<tal.liron at threecrickets.com>  writes:
>
>    
>> D-Bus is something that I can do a talk about, too... Maybe instead
>> I'll just sit at the talk and ask annoying, condescending questions.
>>
>> On 12/01/2009 11:04 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:
>>      
>>> I am interested in d-bus. So +1 for that.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
>>> <cwebber at dustycloud.org<mailto:cwebber at dustycloud.org>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>      I elect to give one of two talks:
>>>       - Using d-bus for awesome application communication
>>>       - The history of free and open source software
>>>
>>>      Carl Karsten<carl at personnelware.com
>>>      <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>>  writes:
>>>
>>>      >  Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting?  Now that it
>>>      is this
>>>      >  month, I think it is OK.
>>>      >
>>>      >  Next months meeting (which is different than next meeting) is Jan 14
>>>      >  at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as Sears.
>>>      >
>>>      >  If you want to talk about something, post away.
>>>      _______________________________________________
>>>      Chicago mailing list
>>>      Chicago at python.org<mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>>>      http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>>>        
>> _______________________________________________
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Sun Dec  6 18:42:29 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:42:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <4B1B7449.3010101@threecrickets.com>
References: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>
	<874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
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How much would be dbus basics and how much would be dbus-python?

http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/ is the obvious python angle, right?

On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
> I'll stick to my plan of know-it-all condescension, if that's OK with you.
>
> Kidding. Actually, the only thing I can say is that DBus in Python "just
> works." While in Ruby, it does not.
>
> On 12/05/2009 06:13 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
>>
>> Well, I barely know d-bus. ?It's just an interesting technology I
>> thought I'd lightly introduce. ?If you'd prefer to give the talk, by all
>> means, go for it. ?:)
>>
>> ?- cwebb
>>
>> Tal Liron<tal.liron at threecrickets.com> ?writes:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> D-Bus is something that I can do a talk about, too... Maybe instead
>>> I'll just sit at the talk and ask annoying, condescending questions.
>>>
>>> On 12/01/2009 11:04 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in d-bus. So +1 for that.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
>>>> <cwebber at dustycloud.org<mailto:cwebber at dustycloud.org>> ?wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ? ? I elect to give one of two talks:
>>>> ? ? ?- Using d-bus for awesome application communication
>>>> ? ? ?- The history of free and open source software
>>>>
>>>> ? ? Carl Karsten<carl at personnelware.com
>>>> ? ? <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>> ?writes:
>>>>
>>>> ? ? > ?Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting? ?Now that it
>>>> ? ? is this
>>>> ? ? > ?month, I think it is OK.
>>>> ? ? >
>>>> ? ? > ?Next months meeting (which is different than next meeting) is Jan
>>>> 14
>>>> ? ? > ?at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as Sears.
>>>> ? ? >
>>>> ? ? > ?If you want to talk about something, post away.
>>>> ? ? _______________________________________________
>>>> ? ? Chicago mailing list
>>>> ? ? Chicago at python.org<mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>>>> ? ? http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Chicago at python.org
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>>
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>
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>



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From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Sun Dec  6 21:57:53 2009
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:57:53 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <549053140912060942w9bfc38dw7290ad9d9f693881@mail.gmail.com>
	(Carl Karsten's message of "Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:42:29 -0600")
References: <549053140912010853x55653ab9w8ac902aa747f863c@mail.gmail.com>
	<874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
	<3db160680912010904n66c9383pc0a8ceab1ace99fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B15E7A6.40700@threecrickets.com> <87zl5xvu29.fsf@dustycloud.org>
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	<549053140912060942w9bfc38dw7290ad9d9f693881@mail.gmail.com>
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It would be both I guess?

One of the nice things about dbus is that it is mostly the same across
all languages.  So if you learn it in one, you just need to find out a
few things about the bindings in another and it works the same.

To demonstrate I'll make emacs lisp and python talk to each other over
dbus in my talk. :)

 - cwebb


Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> writes:

> How much would be dbus basics and how much would be dbus-python?
>
> http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/ is the obvious python angle, right?
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com> wrote:
>> I'll stick to my plan of know-it-all condescension, if that's OK with you.
>>
>> Kidding. Actually, the only thing I can say is that DBus in Python "just
>> works." While in Ruby, it does not.
>>
>> On 12/05/2009 06:13 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I barely know d-bus. ?It's just an interesting technology I
>>> thought I'd lightly introduce. ?If you'd prefer to give the talk, by all
>>> means, go for it. ?:)
>>>
>>> ?- cwebb
>>>
>>> Tal Liron<tal.liron at threecrickets.com> ?writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> D-Bus is something that I can do a talk about, too... Maybe instead
>>>> I'll just sit at the talk and ask annoying, condescending questions.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/01/2009 11:04 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in d-bus. So +1 for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
>>>>> <cwebber at dustycloud.org<mailto:cwebber at dustycloud.org>> ?wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ? ? I elect to give one of two talks:
>>>>> ? ? ?- Using d-bus for awesome application communication
>>>>> ? ? ?- The history of free and open source software
>>>>>
>>>>> ? ? Carl Karsten<carl at personnelware.com
>>>>> ? ? <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>> ?writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> ? ? > ?Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting? ?Now that it
>>>>> ? ? is this
>>>>> ? ? > ?month, I think it is OK.
>>>>> ? ? >
>>>>> ? ? > ?Next months meeting (which is different than next meeting) is Jan
>>>>> 14
>>>>> ? ? > ?at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as Sears.
>>>>> ? ? >
>>>>> ? ? > ?If you want to talk about something, post away.
>>>>> ? ? _______________________________________________
>>>>> ? ? Chicago mailing list
>>>>> ? ? Chicago at python.org<mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>>>>> ? ? http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
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>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
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>>
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From pfein at pobox.com  Sun Dec  6 22:28:42 2009
From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:28:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <87tyw3x1ke.fsf@dustycloud.org>
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	<874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
	<3db160680912010904n66c9383pc0a8ceab1ace99fb@mail.gmail.com>
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Out of curiosity, does d-bus support communication across machines or  
just on a single box?

On Dec 6, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:

> It would be both I guess?
>
> One of the nice things about dbus is that it is mostly the same across
> all languages.  So if you learn it in one, you just need to find out a
> few things about the bindings in another and it works the same.
>
> To demonstrate I'll make emacs lisp and python talk to each other over
> dbus in my talk. :)
>
> - cwebb
>
>
> Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> How much would be dbus basics and how much would be dbus-python?
>>
>> http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/ is the obvious python  
>> angle, right?
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Tal Liron <tal.liron at threecrickets.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> I'll stick to my plan of know-it-all condescension, if that's OK  
>>> with you.
>>>
>>> Kidding. Actually, the only thing I can say is that DBus in Python  
>>> "just
>>> works." While in Ruby, it does not.
>>>
>>> On 12/05/2009 06:13 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, I barely know d-bus.  It's just an interesting technology I
>>>> thought I'd lightly introduce.  If you'd prefer to give the talk,  
>>>> by all
>>>> means, go for it.  :)
>>>>
>>>>  - cwebb
>>>>
>>>> Tal Liron<tal.liron at threecrickets.com>  writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> D-Bus is something that I can do a talk about, too... Maybe  
>>>>> instead
>>>>> I'll just sit at the talk and ask annoying, condescending  
>>>>> questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/01/2009 11:04 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in d-bus. So +1 for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
>>>>>> <cwebber at dustycloud.org<mailto:cwebber at dustycloud.org>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I elect to give one of two talks:
>>>>>>      - Using d-bus for awesome application communication
>>>>>>      - The history of free and open source software
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Carl Karsten<carl at personnelware.com
>>>>>>     <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>>  writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     >  Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting?  Now  
>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>     is this
>>>>>>     >  month, I think it is OK.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     >  Next months meeting (which is different than next  
>>>>>> meeting) is Jan
>>>>>> 14
>>>>>>     >  at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as  
>>>>>> Sears.
>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>     >  If you want to talk about something, post away.
>>>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>>>     Chicago mailing list
>>>>>>     Chicago at python.org<mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>>>>>>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>>>
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From cwebber at dustycloud.org  Mon Dec  7 04:58:11 2009
From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Jan topics
In-Reply-To: <570EF8E6-A32C-4312-B9F7-5131BBD5B695@pobox.com> (Pete's message
	of "Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:28:42 -0600")
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	<874ooa62zp.fsf@dustycloud.org>
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	<4B1B7449.3010101@threecrickets.com>
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To quote from:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus

  Currently the communicating applications are on one computer, or through
  unencrypted TCP/IP suitable for use behind a firewall with shared NFS
  home directories. (Help wanted with better remote transports - the
  transport mechanism is well-abstracted and extensible.)

I don't know much about it though.  I've only used it for local things.

I've actually been looking at using telepathy (an IM layer on top of
d-bus) w/ xmpp for some server messaging, actually.  I think that would
be neat.  But I don't have a use case to test it with at the
second.. not sure how well that would work.  I like the idea of XMPP for
programatic cross-server messaging in general though, so maybe sleekxmpp
alone would be sufficient if you weren't doing desktop IM things... :)

 - cwebb

Pete <pfein at pobox.com> writes:

> Out of curiosity, does d-bus support communication across machines or
> just on a single box?
>
> On Dec 6, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
>
>> It would be both I guess?
>>
>> One of the nice things about dbus is that it is mostly the same across
>> all languages.  So if you learn it in one, you just need to find out a
>> few things about the bindings in another and it works the same.
>>
>> To demonstrate I'll make emacs lisp and python talk to each other over
>> dbus in my talk. :)
>>
>> - cwebb
>>
>>
>> Carl Karsten <cfkarsten at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> How much would be dbus basics and how much would be dbus-python?
>>>
>>> http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/ is the obvious python
>>> angle, right?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Tal Liron
>>> <tal.liron at threecrickets.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>> I'll stick to my plan of know-it-all condescension, if that's OK
>>>> with you.
>>>>
>>>> Kidding. Actually, the only thing I can say is that DBus in Python
>>>> "just
>>>> works." While in Ruby, it does not.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/05/2009 06:13 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I barely know d-bus.  It's just an interesting technology I
>>>>> thought I'd lightly introduce.  If you'd prefer to give the talk,
>>>>> by all
>>>>> means, go for it.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>  - cwebb
>>>>>
>>>>> Tal Liron<tal.liron at threecrickets.com>  writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> D-Bus is something that I can do a talk about, too... Maybe
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> I'll just sit at the talk and ask annoying, condescending
>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/01/2009 11:04 AM, Daniel Griffin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am interested in d-bus. So +1 for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Christopher Allan Webber
>>>>>>> <cwebber at dustycloud.org<mailto:cwebber at dustycloud.org>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I elect to give one of two talks:
>>>>>>>      - Using d-bus for awesome application communication
>>>>>>>      - The history of free and open source software
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Carl Karsten<carl at personnelware.com
>>>>>>>     <mailto:carl at personnelware.com>>  writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     >  Is it too soon to talk about next months meeting?  Now
>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>     is this
>>>>>>>     >  month, I think it is OK.
>>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>>     >  Next months meeting (which is different than next
>>>>>>> meeting) is Jan
>>>>>>> 14
>>>>>>>     >  at ITA/TechNexus across from the Tower formally known as
>>>>>>> Sears.
>>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>>     >  If you want to talk about something, post away.
>>>>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>     Chicago mailing list
>>>>>>>     Chicago at python.org<mailto:Chicago at python.org>
>>>>>>>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chicago mailing list
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>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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>>>>
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From shekay at pobox.com  Mon Dec  7 20:04:25 2009
From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:04:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Job Listing for Call one
In-Reply-To: <4B07107A.7000609@callone.com>
References: <4B07107A.7000609@callone.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640912071104x225300arc4ec844dc4be6a0c@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have anything that involves embedded work? I have a friend who
does embedded stuff (DSP, infrastructure), and does python for fun and
useful things. It would be neat if I could pass along job listings to
him that combine the two more than what he does now.


On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Sue Wilson <swilson at callone.com> wrote:
> Call One <http://www.callone.com> (Chicago, IL, USA)
> ====================================================================
>
> **Job Description**: CallOne, a leading telecommunications company in
> Chicago, is looking for a developer with Python experience to design,
> create and support software applications for internal operations and
> customer facing applications.
>
> Candidate should be an experienced Python developer with:
> ? * ability to turn business requirements into reality
> ? * ability to solve problems independently
> ? * ability to spot issues and troubleshoot quickly
> ? * ability to work with users to understand needs
> ? * good English and communication skills
> ? * team working experience
> ? * good self education skills
> ? * strong people skills
> ? * adaptable and able to work under pressure
>
> Qualifications:
> ? * At least 2+ years of experience in Python
> ? * Python: core, DBAPI2, CherryPy, WSGI
> ? * SQL
> ? * HTML, CSS, Javascript
>
> Additional Preferred Qualifications:
> ? * Development on Linux platform
>
> Compensation:
> ? * Competitive; Depends on qualifications.
>
> ?**What Python is used for**: just about everything
>
> ?**Contact**: Gladys Barrera Gibson, HR Manager
> ?**E-mail contact**: gbgibson at callone.net
> ?**Other Contact Info**: 312-681-8300
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



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From chad at glendenin.com  Sun Dec  6 00:21:28 2009
From: chad at glendenin.com (Chad Glendenin)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:21:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] somewhat off-topic: gear giveaway at next meeting
Message-ID: <191d03ff0912051521q5a22073avcf2cc3332cc947be@mail.gmail.com>

I have several items of computer gear to give away that may be useful
to somebody on this list, so maybe we can find each other at the end
of the next ChiPy meeting. Email me privately (off-list) if you want
something:

- Microsoft Wireless Intellimouse Explorer
- Gainward Geforce 4 Ultra 750XP Ti4600 (AGP card w/dual DVI)
- IOGear MiniView GCS84A 4-port KVM switch (VGA & PS/2)
- Quake 4 for Windows
- SoundBlaster Live PCI card
- Hauppauge WinTV PCI card (analog video only)
- RCA 950 wireless modem jack (adds a phone jack to a room)
- Linksys WAP11 802.11b wireless access point
- Linksys WSB24 signal booster for WAP11
- Silicon Graphics granite-color PS/2 keyboard and mice
- Silicon Graphics O2 workstation SCSI drives with sleds (2GB, 4GB, 18GB)
- Silicon Graphics O2 workstation case & power supply (motherboard removed)
- Silicon Graphics O2 ram sticks (grab bag, dunno how many)
- Silicon Graphics IRIX 6.5 full-installation CDROMs with overlays for
6.5.8 and 6.5.12

I also have an old 1.6GHz Pentium-4 box with 1GB ram and a 20GB disk,
but it's kind of clunky. The next ChiPy meeting is at Sully's, so I
can drive it there to drop it off, but you'll probably want to have a
car to take it away.

Thanks!
ccg

From jordanb at hafd.org  Thu Dec 10 05:33:48 2009
From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:33:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Unicode for Janurary?
Message-ID: <20091210043347.GA27813@hafd.org>

Hi.

I'd like to do a talk on Unicode in January, if the group thinks that
that would be of interest.

The idea would to be to focus on the particulars of the standard
itself: the how and why behind things like the various encodings,
normalization, etc. I figure it'd also show the python interface for
interacting with the various features. But I'd like to cover things
conceptually, rather than as a tutorial on the Python API.

I mentioned this on IRC and Chuck suggested that it be a talk on
Internationalization in general, but I'm thinking that might be too
much to cover in one session.

Would people be interested in a talk about Unicode in January, with a
possible option to cover i18n later if it goes well?

Thanks,

--
Jordan Bettis
http://hafdconsulting.com



From BeverlyLieberman at HLASSOC.COM  Fri Dec 11 00:33:04 2009
From: BeverlyLieberman at HLASSOC.COM (Beverly Lieberman)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:33:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Can you help me?
Message-ID: <FC21CB1AABD6DE41A192E5691A5313620149DE4E@blue.HLAInc.lan>

 

Hi,

I would like to see if anyone in the Chicago Python Users Group can help
me.  It was suggested I check out your organization. I am an executive
recruiter, starting an EVP and CTO level search for a $50 million web
based healthcare services company. The CTO will manage a dispersed team
of about 40 people.  The technology direction they want is the LAMP
stack.  This is an executive level position and I'm looking for someone
qualified to fill this role.  The position will be located in
Chicagoland and will have a six figure compensation package. The company
is pre-IPO so it could be a good venture for someone.

 

The model for the type of person they want is the CTO of Kayak.com   (an
example)

 

Can you provide me any ideas on how to find these kinds of people in
Chicagoland?

 

Thank You.


Bev Lieberman

President

Halbrecht Lieberman Associates

203 222 4890

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From bray at sent.com  Fri Dec 11 18:49:33 2009
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:49:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Chapter ACM - Dec 16 - Mobile Game Development
References: <AAFDC97234D04E8AB819E6FD526E841A@Dreamcatcher2>
Message-ID: <85DC176D-4293-40F9-B2C7-BE115B93B9FE@sent.com>

Great meeting last night.  Here is another (although non-ChiPy)  
meeting Marc told me about that might interest some of you:

>
>
> This information is also on the Chapter website at:
> http://www.chicagoacm.org/
>
> THIS MONTH'S MEETING:
>
>  A joint ACM/Loyola University Computer Science Department meeting
>
>               Mobile Game Development
>
>     Speaker:  Justin C. Moore, Metamoorephesis
>
>  Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009
>  5:30 pm - 6:30 pm Social Hour
>  6:30 pm - Presentation
>
>  Loyola University - Water Tower Campus
>  820 N. Michigan, Chicago IL 60611
>  Beane Ballroom (13th Floor, Lewis Towers)
>
> COST
>  Free. (General Admission, No Reserved Seats) However, Please RSVP
>  on the Chicago ACM website (chicagoacm.org) for this event, to best
>  help our group with upcoming joint ACM/Loyola University events.
>
>  Although there will be no food served at this event, you are free
>  to "brown bag" it and bring in food from the outside to eat during
>  the social hour.
>
> TOPIC ABSTRACT
>  The video game industry has been revolutionized by both by digital
>  distribution and the emergence of development platforms providing
>  hobbyists, enthusiasts, and small businesses opportunities to
>  create software for popular consumer hardware like iPhone,
>  Android, and Xbox 360.  Now, given access to these new
>  technologies, countless individuals see an opportunity to enter
>  the attractive but difficult to break into video game industry.
>
> SPEAKER INFO:
>  Justin C. Moore, Co-Founder and Game Director of Chicago Mobile
>  Developer Metamoorephosis Games, will share his story of
>  developing the game bitFLIP for the iPhone -- which covers game
>  design mantras, basic iPhone and OpenGL ES programming tips, and
>  the N+1 rules of meta-prototyping (the company's home brewed
>  methodology for iterative development).
>
>  Just before graduating from MIT with a bachelor's degree in
>  Mechanical Engineering, Justin decided that he wanted to make
>  video games for a living.  Just after graduation, he returned to
>  Chicago and enrolled in Flashpoint Academy's Game Development
>  Program.  Just over 2 years later and with only a few years of OO
>  programming experience, Justin spearheaded the launch of his
>  company's first game of several games contracted with publisher
>  Hands-On Mobile.  On the horizon for Justin and Metamoorephosis is
>  the development of an In-Game Ad Platform that will re-write the
>  rules of advertiser-gamer interactions.
>
> RESERVATIONS
>  Please make your reservation as soon as you know you are coming.
>  RSVP by filling out this quick form:
>  http://tinyurl.com/acm-dec16
>  or by replying to this e-mail ( greg at neumarke.net ) You may also
>  call Greg at (work) 773-907-3308
>
>
>
> -Greg
> greg at neumarke.net
>
>

Brian Ray




From joe at germuska.com  Fri Dec 11 19:18:26 2009
From: joe at germuska.com (Joe Germuska)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:18:26 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Chapter ACM - Dec 16 - Mobile Game Development
In-Reply-To: <85DC176D-4293-40F9-B2C7-BE115B93B9FE@sent.com>
References: <AAFDC97234D04E8AB819E6FD526E841A@Dreamcatcher2>
	<85DC176D-4293-40F9-B2C7-BE115B93B9FE@sent.com>
Message-ID: <07166840-5DE7-4F89-A32F-C74A3953ADC8@germuska.com>

On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Brian Ray wrote:
> Great meeting last night.  Here is another (although non-ChiPy)  
> meeting Marc told me about that might interest some of you:


And another: Open Government Chicago is participating in the Sunlight  
Foundation's "Great American Hackathon" this Sunday at Columbia  
College.  It's very loose, but if you're interested in hacking on  
civic technology projects, come on out.

http://sunlightlabs.com/events/38/
http://opengovchi.pbworks.com/Great-American-Hackathon-2009

Joe

-- 
Joe Germuska
Joe at Germuska.com * http://blog.germuska.com * http://twitter.com/JoeGermuska

"Learn to fear any church that fears drums." --Regie Gibson


From charlie.reddington at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 23:08:57 2009
From: charlie.reddington at gmail.com (Charlie Reddington)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:08:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Saturday talks?
Message-ID: <028AA555-29C1-4966-AE62-9146FDEF847D@gmail.com>

I remember when I first joined #chipy, that someone was doing a 'All  
you can learn in 4 hours' talk on Saturdays ( I think ). Do those  
still go on or was I dreaming this stuff up?

Things in life just settled down (if you can call it that) and I would  
like to make a trip out.

Thanks!

Charlie

From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Dec 13 23:42:21 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:42:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Saturday talks?
In-Reply-To: <028AA555-29C1-4966-AE62-9146FDEF847D@gmail.com>
References: <028AA555-29C1-4966-AE62-9146FDEF847D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140912131442i55468ba8n6eaba2daaf0d5d1e@mail.gmail.com>

That was probbly me, back in Aug. I would be up for doing it again, but
prolly not this month.

On Dec 13, 2009 4:09 PM, "Charlie Reddington" <charlie.reddington at gmail.com>
wrote:

I remember when I first joined #chipy, that someone was doing a 'All you can
learn in 4 hours' talk on Saturdays ( I think ). Do those still go on or was
I dreaming this stuff up?

Things in life just settled down (if you can call it that) and I would like
to make a trip out.

Thanks!

Charlie
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From charlie.reddington at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 23:54:15 2009
From: charlie.reddington at gmail.com (Charlie Reddington)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Saturday talks?
In-Reply-To: <549053140912131442i55468ba8n6eaba2daaf0d5d1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <028AA555-29C1-4966-AE62-9146FDEF847D@gmail.com>
	<549053140912131442i55468ba8n6eaba2daaf0d5d1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F9C0FE5D-BD17-409B-B1BB-8BDB6BBF9248@gmail.com>

I'd be game for some time in January or February. I have a very basic  
understanding of python so getting any basic guys hands on experience  
would be great. So if your willing and there is the want out there,  
I'd be game to come whenever.

Charlie

On Dec 13, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> That was probbly me, back in Aug. I would be up for doing it again,  
> but prolly not this month.
>
>
>> On Dec 13, 2009 4:09 PM, "Charlie Reddington" <charlie.reddington at gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I remember when I first joined #chipy, that someone was doing a  
>> 'All you can learn in 4 hours' talk on Saturdays ( I think ). Do  
>> those still go on or was I dreaming this stuff up?
>>
>> Things in life just settled down (if you can call it that) and I  
>> would like to make a trip out.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Charlie
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 23:12:03 2009
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:12:03 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Saturday talks?
Message-ID: <9c8415cd0912141412n3bc5b838p50efac6a8549dc12@mail.gmail.com>

I would also be down for a saturday talk.  I'm also new to python.
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From Dave_N at comcast.net  Tue Dec 15 05:25:02 2009
From: Dave_N at comcast.net (Dave N)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:25:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Best practices for installing and maintaining python for
	multiple versions.
Message-ID: <d0d2bc400912142025r3adb52a9pd73b8d7ade814f91@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

So I've acquired a new laptop. It's a windows 7 laptop.

After setting up python for several personal and work machines, I've
come to conclusion that there must be a better way. I can't seem to
find it, so I thought I would turn to chipy...

I use and experiment with the following installations, roughly in
order of importance.

CPython 2.x (2.6)
CPython 3.x (3.1)
IronPython (2.6)
AppEngine
Jython

I also use several add on modules and have written a few of my own. I
haven't yet figured a good way to install in a sustainable way. For
example, when 2.7 comes out, how do I migrate all of modules over to
that.

Thanks in advance for any ideas...

Dave

From mattkemp at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 15:57:39 2009
From: mattkemp at gmail.com (Matthew Kemp)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:57:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Best practices for installing and maintaining python
	for multiple versions.
In-Reply-To: <d0d2bc400912142025r3adb52a9pd73b8d7ade814f91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0d2bc400912142025r3adb52a9pd73b8d7ade814f91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d54c36420912150657v2e4b169amcc341f6a1bff0577@mail.gmail.com>

I use virtual environments (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv) heavily.
Basically they allow you to clone a python install with or without site
packages. If you mess up a virtual environment just blow it away and start
over.

Matt

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Dave N <Dave_N at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> So I've acquired a new laptop. It's a windows 7 laptop.
>
> After setting up python for several personal and work machines, I've
> come to conclusion that there must be a better way. I can't seem to
> find it, so I thought I would turn to chipy...
>
> I use and experiment with the following installations, roughly in
> order of importance.
>
> CPython 2.x (2.6)
> CPython 3.x (3.1)
> IronPython (2.6)
> AppEngine
> Jython
>
> I also use several add on modules and have written a few of my own. I
> haven't yet figured a good way to install in a sustainable way. For
> example, when 2.7 comes out, how do I migrate all of modules over to
> that.
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas...
>
> Dave
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 16:10:17 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:10:17 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Best practices for installing and maintaining python
	for multiple versions.
In-Reply-To: <d54c36420912150657v2e4b169amcc341f6a1bff0577@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0d2bc400912142025r3adb52a9pd73b8d7ade814f91@mail.gmail.com>
	<d54c36420912150657v2e4b169amcc341f6a1bff0577@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140912150710x748b890t6d279a86e22adc@mail.gmail.com>

Matt,

How would you use virtualenv to flip between python 2.x and 3.x?

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Matthew Kemp <mattkemp at gmail.com> wrote:
> I use virtual environments (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv) heavily.
> Basically they allow you to clone a python install with or without site
> packages. If you mess up a virtual environment just blow it away and start
> over.
>
> Matt
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Dave N <Dave_N at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So I've acquired a new laptop. It's a windows 7 laptop.
>>
>> After setting up python for several personal and work machines, I've
>> come to conclusion that there must be a better way. I can't seem to
>> find it, so I thought I would turn to chipy...
>>
>> I use and experiment with the following installations, roughly in
>> order of importance.
>>
>> CPython 2.x (2.6)
>> CPython 3.x (3.1)
>> IronPython (2.6)
>> AppEngine
>> Jython
>>
>> I also use several add on modules and have written a few of my own. I
>> haven't yet figured a good way to install in a sustainable way. For
>> example, when 2.7 comes out, how do I migrate all of modules over to
>> that.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any ideas...
>>
>> Dave
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>



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From jason at panopta.com  Tue Dec 15 16:17:11 2009
From: jason at panopta.com (Jason Abate)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:17:11 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Best practices for installing and maintaining python
 for multiple versions.
In-Reply-To: <549053140912150710x748b890t6d279a86e22adc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0d2bc400912142025r3adb52a9pd73b8d7ade814f91@mail.gmail.com>	<d54c36420912150657v2e4b169amcc341f6a1bff0577@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140912150710x748b890t6d279a86e22adc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B27A877.2030803@panopta.com>

You can create multiple virtualenv installations, one per interpreter.  
I do this regularly for different projects and build requirements, each 
install has a script that activates it, so it's just a matter of doing:

    source py2.6-nltk/bin/activate

or

    source py2.4-tg/bin/activate

to switch between environments.  Once you've run this, executing 
"python" or "easy_install" uses the executables from the virtual 
environment.

This works great, and I use it for all of my Python projects now.  It 
also has the advantage of being able to cleanly stay up-to-date with the 
latest development of the various packages you use.  I do all my work on 
Debian which is great for stability but lags far behind the fast-moving 
world of Python.

Note, I haven't jumped to 3.x yet so I'm not sure if anything's changed 
there, but I would assume something similar is possible.

-jason

Jason Abate
Panopta | We see it all
jason at panopta.com
http://www.panopta.com



Carl Karsten wrote:
> Matt,
>
> How would you use virtualenv to flip between python 2.x and 3.x?
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Matthew Kemp <mattkemp at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> I use virtual environments (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv) heavily.
>> Basically they allow you to clone a python install with or without site
>> packages. If you mess up a virtual environment just blow it away and start
>> over.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Dave N <Dave_N at comcast.net> wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> So I've acquired a new laptop. It's a windows 7 laptop.
>>>
>>> After setting up python for several personal and work machines, I've
>>> come to conclusion that there must be a better way. I can't seem to
>>> find it, so I thought I would turn to chipy...
>>>
>>> I use and experiment with the following installations, roughly in
>>> order of importance.
>>>
>>> CPython 2.x (2.6)
>>> CPython 3.x (3.1)
>>> IronPython (2.6)
>>> AppEngine
>>> Jython
>>>
>>> I also use several add on modules and have written a few of my own. I
>>> haven't yet figured a good way to install in a sustainable way. For
>>> example, when 2.7 comes out, how do I migrate all of modules over to
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas...
>>>
>>> Dave
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   

From cfkarsten at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 16:28:36 2009
From: cfkarsten at gmail.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:28:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Best practices for installing and maintaining python
	for multiple versions.
In-Reply-To: <4B27A877.2030803@panopta.com>
References: <d0d2bc400912142025r3adb52a9pd73b8d7ade814f91@mail.gmail.com>
	<d54c36420912150657v2e4b169amcc341f6a1bff0577@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140912150710x748b890t6d279a86e22adc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B27A877.2030803@panopta.com>
Message-ID: <549053140912150728h7a217936lb97a41413b0904ea@mail.gmail.com>

I use virtualenv for my 2.6 work with various 3rd party python
packages, like from pypi - I don't see how it will help for switching
between 2.x and 3.x - so can someone walk me though setting up
virtualenv for python 2/3?

I install ubuntu, it comes with:
Python 2.6.4 (r264:75706, Dec  8 2009, 11:51:43)

carl at gw42:~$ apt-cache policy python3.1
python3.1:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 3.1.1-0ubuntu5

What next?


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Jason Abate <jason at panopta.com> wrote:
> You can create multiple virtualenv installations, one per interpreter. ?I do
> this regularly for different projects and build requirements, each install
> has a script that activates it, so it's just a matter of doing:
>
> ? source py2.6-nltk/bin/activate
>
> or
>
> ? source py2.4-tg/bin/activate
>
> to switch between environments. ?Once you've run this, executing "python" or
> "easy_install" uses the executables from the virtual environment.
>
> This works great, and I use it for all of my Python projects now. ?It also
> has the advantage of being able to cleanly stay up-to-date with the latest
> development of the various packages you use. ?I do all my work on Debian
> which is great for stability but lags far behind the fast-moving world of
> Python.
>
> Note, I haven't jumped to 3.x yet so I'm not sure if anything's changed
> there, but I would assume something similar is possible.
>
> -jason
>
> Jason Abate
> Panopta | We see it all
> jason at panopta.com
> http://www.panopta.com
>
>
>
> Carl Karsten wrote:
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> How would you use virtualenv to flip between python 2.x and 3.x?
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Matthew Kemp <mattkemp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I use virtual environments (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv)
>>> heavily.
>>> Basically they allow you to clone a python install with or without site
>>> packages. If you mess up a virtual environment just blow it away and
>>> start
>>> over.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Dave N <Dave_N at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> So I've acquired a new laptop. It's a windows 7 laptop.
>>>>
>>>> After setting up python for several personal and work machines, I've
>>>> come to conclusion that there must be a better way. I can't seem to
>>>> find it, so I thought I would turn to chipy...
>>>>
>>>> I use and experiment with the following installations, roughly in
>>>> order of importance.
>>>>
>>>> CPython 2.x (2.6)
>>>> CPython 3.x (3.1)
>>>> IronPython (2.6)
>>>> AppEngine
>>>> Jython
>>>>
>>>> I also use several add on modules and have written a few of my own. I
>>>> haven't yet figured a good way to install in a sustainable way. For
>>>> example, when 2.7 comes out, how do I migrate all of modules over to
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas...
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>



-- 
Carl K

From mattkemp at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 16:31:04 2009
From: mattkemp at gmail.com (Matthew Kemp)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:31:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Best practices for installing and maintaining python
	for multiple versions.
In-Reply-To: <4B27A877.2030803@panopta.com>
References: <d0d2bc400912142025r3adb52a9pd73b8d7ade814f91@mail.gmail.com>
	<d54c36420912150657v2e4b169amcc341f6a1bff0577@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140912150710x748b890t6d279a86e22adc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B27A877.2030803@panopta.com>
Message-ID: <d54c36420912150731n5c35e64bg14f5a468183ae5f4@mail.gmail.com>

Like Jason said I have one (or more) virtual environment for each version of
python I want to work with. So a 2.5 virtualenv, 2.6 virtualenv, etc.
Although I've only tried virtualenv on CPython installs. I haven't tried for
Jython or IronPython.

Matt

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Jason Abate <jason at panopta.com> wrote:

> You can create multiple virtualenv installations, one per interpreter.  I
> do this regularly for different projects and build requirements, each
> install has a script that activates it, so it's just a matter of doing:
>
>   source py2.6-nltk/bin/activate
>
> or
>
>   source py2.4-tg/bin/activate
>
> to switch between environments.  Once you've run this, executing "python"
> or "easy_install" uses the executables from the virtual environment.
>
> This works great, and I use it for all of my Python projects now.  It also
> has the advantage of being able to cleanly stay up-to-date with the latest
> development of the various packages you use.  I do all my work on Debian
> which is great for stability but lags far behind the fast-moving world of
> Python.
>
> Note, I haven't jumped to 3.x yet so I'm not sure if anything's changed
> there, but I would assume something similar is possible.
>
> -jason
>
> Jason Abate
> Panopta | We see it all
> jason at panopta.com
> http://www.panopta.com
>
>
>
>
> Carl Karsten wrote:
>
>> Matt,
>>
>> How would you use virtualenv to flip between python 2.x and 3.x?
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Matthew Kemp <mattkemp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I use virtual environments (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv)
>>> heavily.
>>> Basically they allow you to clone a python install with or without site
>>> packages. If you mess up a virtual environment just blow it away and
>>> start
>>> over.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Dave N <Dave_N at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> So I've acquired a new laptop. It's a windows 7 laptop.
>>>>
>>>> After setting up python for several personal and work machines, I've
>>>> come to conclusion that there must be a better way. I can't seem to
>>>> find it, so I thought I would turn to chipy...
>>>>
>>>> I use and experiment with the following installations, roughly in
>>>> order of importance.
>>>>
>>>> CPython 2.x (2.6)
>>>> CPython 3.x (3.1)
>>>> IronPython (2.6)
>>>> AppEngine
>>>> Jython
>>>>
>>>> I also use several add on modules and have written a few of my own. I
>>>> haven't yet figured a good way to install in a sustainable way. For
>>>> example, when 2.7 comes out, how do I migrate all of modules over to
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas...
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago mailing list
>>>> Chicago at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago mailing list
>>> Chicago at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From d-beazley at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 16 13:30:01 2009
From: d-beazley at sbcglobal.net (David Beazley)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:30:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Concurrency Workshop, January 14-15, 2010
Message-ID: <B6D85BD1-8DAD-44A6-8AAE-155BBB9B86A5@sbcglobal.net>

Chipy hackers,

This is just a quick note to let everyone know that the Python Concurrency Workshop I ran last May is newly revised and going to have another run on January 14-15, 2010.   So, if you happened to be at that "mindblowing GIL" talk I gave over the summer and it only made your head throb slightly, the workshop will take it to a new level.     The venue for this workshop is in Andersonville, right above Pasticceria Natalina's, across the street from Taste of Heaven, and down the block from the Swedish Bakery.   Believe me, you will be so pumped full of sugar, coffee, and Python that you won't be able to sleep for several days afterwards.  Anyways, more details can be found here: 

http://www.dabeaz.com/chicago

As an aside, if there is interest, perhaps I can give a short overview of the Python-3.1 GIL patch at the January Chipy meeting.  I don't recall who's organizing that, but let me know.

Cheers,
Dave


 


From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 16 15:10:22 2009
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:10:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python Concurrency Workshop, January 14-15, 2010
In-Reply-To: <B6D85BD1-8DAD-44A6-8AAE-155BBB9B86A5@sbcglobal.net>
References: <B6D85BD1-8DAD-44A6-8AAE-155BBB9B86A5@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <cf9f31f20912160610t21917225gaed4cb425b0ab9ed@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:30, David Beazley <d-beazley at sbcglobal.net>wrote:


> As an aside, if there is interest, perhaps I can give a short overview of
> the Python-3.1 GIL patch at the January Chipy meeting.  I don't recall who's
> organizing that, but let me know.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
>

+1 on an overview Antoine's GIL patch
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From brianherman at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 11:07:43 2009
From: brianherman at gmail.com (Brian Herman)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:07:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Flourish Open Source Conference
Message-ID: <4ef15ddc0912220207r1b663a6dpba4b614dd173d5f5@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Chipy,

On March 19th and 20th of 2010, the students of the University of

Illinois at Chicago and the Chicago open source community will be

throwing our fourth Flourish open source conference.

The goal of Flourish is to inspire and inform people about open source.

We are aware of your contribution(among many) creating the antigravity egg

and think you would be a perfect fit for the conference. I would like to
invite you to give a

talk on any topic you would consider relevant. The conference will attract

about 400-500 people, most of which will be technology and open source

enthusiasts. This comprises mainly programmers, however, students, people of

industry, academics, and lawyers have also attended.

Each talk usually has the attendance of 100-200 people.

There is also a concurrent workshop after every talk which you are

invited to give either with or in place of your talk.

We would do our best to accommodate you and make sure your

visit to this conference is enjoyable. To find out more about last year's

conference, you can take a look at our

site: http://www.flourishconf.com/flourish2010/<http://www.flourishconf.com/flourish2009/>
.

Brian James Herman

Flourish Organizer


-- 
Sincerely,
Brian Herman
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