[Chicago] Vim or Emacs

[Clint Laskowski]

vs.net, huh?

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Tm Ottinger <tottinge at gmail.com> wrote:

> Certainly, but if you develop skills with vim, emacs, and/or eclipse you
> also get an additional thrill as the code appears almost as you think it,
> and seems to dance on the screen.  It is something nano, notepad, and
> VS.NET cannot give  .
>
> Of course these thrills cost you at least a  month of painfully tedious
> practice and lower productivity before muscle memory and productive habits
> take over.
>
> I mainly like vim because it doesn't use weird key "chords" so much other
> than ^w for gui window commands.  Once you know it, it is more like typing
> normally.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Dennewitz <matt at datawaslost.net>
> Sent: June 03, 2008 12:30 AM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group <chicago at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs
>
>
> You folks are all insane. Writing code isnt about crazy key combos or
> whomever can fracture the most carpals executing the sweetest macro;
> its about what you write and the thrill of building something and
> watching it come to life.
>
>
> On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:43 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote:
>
> >> I've heard this advice countless times, and tried it on several
> >> occasions ... and I ultimately found it to make keystrokes *harder*.
> >> I think this may result from three things:
> >>
> >> 1) I also use my left pinky to hit the Alt/Option and Command keys;
> >> using Caps as Control makes my pinky have to bounce back and forth
> >> between the two areas, resulting in plenty of mis-strokes and/or
> >> slowness as I "feel" for which key is Alt.
> >
> > You can use your pinky to press the Command key? Perhaps it depends
> > based on the kind of keyboard but I just tried on a MBP and there's no
> > way I could do that regularly without seriously injuring my hand. I
> > generally use my thumb for the Command and Option keys.
> >
> >> 2) Caps as Control makes certain key combinations (e.g., Control-Z)
> >> difficult.
> >
> > Are you just changing capslock to Control or are you swapping them (so
> > Control becomes Capslock)? I never use capslock so I get two Control
> > keys by my left pinky so I can use whichever is most comfortable.
> >
> >> 3) My brain can't seem to handle context-based finger switching,
> >> making Control-Shift-[key] combos a great big mess.
> >
> > How do you normally type Control-Shift combos? The recommended way
> > would be to use the Control and Shift on opposite sides of the
> > keyboard. But now that I think of it I don't think I've used
> > Control-Shift combos much outside of Eclipse (and that was before I
> > learned about Emacs key bindings in Eclipse).
> >
> > One of the big problems with using capslock as control is that it
> > makes it nearly impossible to type on somebody else's computer.  I
> > really wish I could find a laptop with a key layout similar to
> > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm (I use that for my desktop).
> >
> > --
> > Cosmin
>
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