From MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu Sun Jun 1 07:57:04 2008 From: MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:57:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] KPAX CMS screencast Message-ID: <183B901C-D2DD-465D-B380-9B0261BA2B4A@cs.depaul.edu> http://www.vimeo.com/1098656 It is beta and it is free (GPL2). From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Sun Jun 1 19:41:49 2008 From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:41:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] KPAX CMS screencast In-Reply-To: <183B901C-D2DD-465D-B380-9B0261BA2B4A@cs.depaul.edu> References: <183B901C-D2DD-465D-B380-9B0261BA2B4A@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: On Jun 1, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > It is beta and it is free (GPL2). Unfortunately, there's a name collision with: http://homepage.mac.com/svc/kpax/ (which lead to me immediately wondering why you were linking to a lisp project, fwiw) -johnnnnnnnn From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Sun Jun 1 23:07:02 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:07:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] KPAX CMS screencast In-Reply-To: References: <183B901C-D2DD-465D-B380-9B0261BA2B4A@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: I did not know. I asked the author of the other project if he has an objection. Massimo On Jun 1, 2008, at 12:41 PM, John Melesky wrote: > On Jun 1, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: >> It is beta and it is free (GPL2). > > Unfortunately, there's a name collision with: > > http://homepage.mac.com/svc/kpax/ > > (which lead to me immediately wondering why you were linking to a lisp > project, fwiw) > > -johnnnnnnnn > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Sun Jun 1 23:27:22 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:27:22 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] KPAX CMS screencast In-Reply-To: References: <183B901C-D2DD-465D-B380-9B0261BA2B4A@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: BTW.... if people want to propose another name I am open to suggestions that have no conflicts and are not trademarked. I am not attached to kpax. Massimo On Jun 1, 2008, at 12:41 PM, John Melesky wrote: > On Jun 1, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: >> It is beta and it is free (GPL2). > > Unfortunately, there's a name collision with: > > http://homepage.mac.com/svc/kpax/ > > (which lead to me immediately wondering why you were linking to a lisp > project, fwiw) > > -johnnnnnnnn > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From pfein at pobox.com Mon Jun 2 15:15:14 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:15:14 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] Work at Juju! Message-ID: <7CF50C5C-2AB1-4D9C-8BD0-ABC552778344@pobox.com> My company Juju is looking to hire another developer. 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If that's you, just mention that when applying via the link below.* **Desired Interest/Experience**: - Text search & analysis - RESTful distributed computing & storage - Web crawling techniques - Automated text extraction & machine learning - Building interactive web apps **Desired Technical Background**: - Python, Python, Python! - Linux or other modern UNIX - Subversion & Trac - protocol-level HTTP: lighttpd, pound, squid - Storage Engines: Lucene, SQLite, metakit, memcached - Twisted - HTML/XML/JSON * **Contact**: Juju HR * **Apply Here**: http://juju.catsone.com/careers/index.php?m=careers&p=applyToJob&ID=21112 * **E-mail Contact**: work at juju.com (apply above) * **Web**: http://www.juju.com/ From cwebber at imagescape.com Mon Jun 2 18:30:43 2008 From: cwebber at imagescape.com (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:30:43 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs In-Reply-To: (Samir F.'s message of "Sat, 31 May 2008 01:04:23 +0000") References: <58466.99300.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <804e5c70805281027u286d4639q2019b08bfba35d4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6yprqzvlxo.fsf@imagescape.com> > Emacs, far easier to use. You can start using like you would use > notepad or nano, and slowly learn things along the way that make it > into a more powerful editior. I personally can't stand the > keybindings...and each time I try emacs, I tend to wish i could map > certain keys to a footpedal or an extra input. Actually, I'd disagree on this one... I don't think emacs is very easy to pick up. I love it, but it takes quite a bit of getting used to to use it the "right" way. Scrollbars (if you have them enabled) don't work the way you expect, the menu is confusing, and windows are called frames and frames are called windows. (This is mostly because there *weren't* frames or windows when Emacs started, and a window referred to a "window of text") However, I might recommend that to avoid the "emacs claw" (the scrunched up, totally RSI'd pinky finger), you should remap capslock to control. It makes emacs' keybindings fairly effortless to press. Besides, if you're a nerd, chances are you like keyboard shortcuts, and having control where capslock is is generally just a good idea. Plus, how often do you use CAPS LOCK? Chances are, unless you get into a lot of flamewars, it ranges from either "not very often" to "never". Make good use of that key! > wow.... a thread about emacs vs vim that didn't turn into a flame > war. I'm kind of impressed. Agreed :) From korpios at korpios.com Tue Jun 3 04:22:27 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:22:27 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs In-Reply-To: <6yprqzvlxo.fsf@imagescape.com> References: <58466.99300.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <804e5c70805281027u286d4639q2019b08bfba35d4b@mail.gmail.com> <6yprqzvlxo.fsf@imagescape.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > However, I might recommend that to avoid the "emacs claw" (the > scrunched up, totally RSI'd pinky finger), you should remap capslock > to control. It makes emacs' keybindings fairly effortless to press. I've heard this advice countless times, and tried it on several occasions ... and I ultimately found it to make keystrokes *harder*. I think this may result from three things: 1) I also use my left pinky to hit the Alt/Option and Command keys; using Caps as Control makes my pinky have to bounce back and forth between the two areas, resulting in plenty of mis-strokes and/or slowness as I "feel" for which key is Alt. 2) Caps as Control makes certain key combinations (e.g., Control-Z) difficult. 3) My brain can't seem to handle context-based finger switching, making Control-Shift-[key] combos a great big mess. From cstejerean at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 04:43:55 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:43:55 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs In-Reply-To: References: <58466.99300.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <804e5c70805281027u286d4639q2019b08bfba35d4b@mail.gmail.com> <6yprqzvlxo.fsf@imagescape.com> Message-ID: <276266d0806021943w5880643bjee684cee580a93d1@mail.gmail.com> > I've heard this advice countless times, and tried it on several > occasions ... and I ultimately found it to make keystrokes *harder*. > I think this may result from three things: > > 1) I also use my left pinky to hit the Alt/Option and Command keys; > using Caps as Control makes my pinky have to bounce back and forth > between the two areas, resulting in plenty of mis-strokes and/or > slowness as I "feel" for which key is Alt. You can use your pinky to press the Command key? Perhaps it depends based on the kind of keyboard but I just tried on a MBP and there's no way I could do that regularly without seriously injuring my hand. I generally use my thumb for the Command and Option keys. > 2) Caps as Control makes certain key combinations (e.g., Control-Z) difficult. Are you just changing capslock to Control or are you swapping them (so Control becomes Capslock)? I never use capslock so I get two Control keys by my left pinky so I can use whichever is most comfortable. > 3) My brain can't seem to handle context-based finger switching, > making Control-Shift-[key] combos a great big mess. How do you normally type Control-Shift combos? The recommended way would be to use the Control and Shift on opposite sides of the keyboard. But now that I think of it I don't think I've used Control-Shift combos much outside of Eclipse (and that was before I learned about Emacs key bindings in Eclipse). One of the big problems with using capslock as control is that it makes it nearly impossible to type on somebody else's computer. I really wish I could find a laptop with a key layout similar to http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm (I use that for my desktop). -- Cosmin Stejerean http://blog.offbytwo.com From matt at datawaslost.net Tue Jun 3 07:30:50 2008 From: matt at datawaslost.net (Matt Dennewitz) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:30:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs In-Reply-To: <276266d0806021943w5880643bjee684cee580a93d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <58466.99300.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <804e5c70805281027u286d4639q2019b08bfba35d4b@mail.gmail.com> <6yprqzvlxo.fsf@imagescape.com> <276266d0806021943w5880643bjee684cee580a93d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You folks are all insane. Writing code isnt about crazy key combos or whomever can fracture the most carpals executing the sweetest macro; its about what you write and the thrill of building something and watching it come to life. On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:43 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: >> I've heard this advice countless times, and tried it on several >> occasions ... and I ultimately found it to make keystrokes *harder*. >> I think this may result from three things: >> >> 1) I also use my left pinky to hit the Alt/Option and Command keys; >> using Caps as Control makes my pinky have to bounce back and forth >> between the two areas, resulting in plenty of mis-strokes and/or >> slowness as I "feel" for which key is Alt. > > You can use your pinky to press the Command key? Perhaps it depends > based on the kind of keyboard but I just tried on a MBP and there's no > way I could do that regularly without seriously injuring my hand. I > generally use my thumb for the Command and Option keys. > >> 2) Caps as Control makes certain key combinations (e.g., Control-Z) >> difficult. > > Are you just changing capslock to Control or are you swapping them (so > Control becomes Capslock)? I never use capslock so I get two Control > keys by my left pinky so I can use whichever is most comfortable. > >> 3) My brain can't seem to handle context-based finger switching, >> making Control-Shift-[key] combos a great big mess. > > How do you normally type Control-Shift combos? The recommended way > would be to use the Control and Shift on opposite sides of the > keyboard. But now that I think of it I don't think I've used > Control-Shift combos much outside of Eclipse (and that was before I > learned about Emacs key bindings in Eclipse). > > One of the big problems with using capslock as control is that it > makes it nearly impossible to type on somebody else's computer. I > really wish I could find a laptop with a key layout similar to > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm (I use that for my desktop). > > -- > Cosmin Stejerean > http://blog.offbytwo.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From fred at polgardy.com Tue Jun 3 12:31:17 2008 From: fred at polgardy.com (Frederick Polgardy) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 05:31:17 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs In-Reply-To: References: <58466.99300.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <804e5c70805281027u286d4639q2019b08bfba35d4b@mail.gmail.com> <6yprqzvlxo.fsf@imagescape.com> <276266d0806021943w5880643bjee684cee580a93d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <253b55880806030331u3bfe18b0p4abd51e89a632094@mail.gmail.com> I don't think anybody is denying that. Of course, being a woodworker is all about the thrill of designing and building something and watching it come to life as well; but that doesn't mean woodworkers can't and shouldn't debate and discuss the tools that have been most helpful for them in bringing their creations to life and why. -Fred On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Matt Dennewitz wrote: > > You folks are all insane. Writing code isnt about crazy key combos or > whomever can fracture the most carpals executing the sweetest macro; its > about what you write and the thrill of building something and watching it > come to life. -- Science answers questions; philosophy questions answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tottinge at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 13:14:35 2008 From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tm Ottinger) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs Message-ID: <4845279f.2989260a.058c.1edb@mx.google.com> Certainly, but if you develop skills with vim, emacs, and/or eclipse you also get an additional thrill as the code appears almost as you think it, and seems to dance on the screen. It is something nano, notepad, and VS.NET cannot give . Of course these thrills cost you at least a month of painfully tedious practice and lower productivity before muscle memory and productive habits take over. I mainly like vim because it doesn't use weird key "chords" so much other than ^w for gui window commands. Once you know it, it is more like typing normally. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Dennewitz Sent: June 03, 2008 12:30 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs You folks are all insane. Writing code isnt about crazy key combos or whomever can fracture the most carpals executing the sweetest macro; its about what you write and the thrill of building something and watching it come to life. On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:43 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: >> I've heard this advice countless times, and tried it on several >> occasions ... and I ultimately found it to make keystrokes *harder*. >> I think this may result from three things: >> >> 1) I also use my left pinky to hit the Alt/Option and Command keys; >> using Caps as Control makes my pinky have to bounce back and forth >> between the two areas, resulting in plenty of mis-strokes and/or >> slowness as I "feel" for which key is Alt. > > You can use your pinky to press the Command key? Perhaps it depends > based on the kind of keyboard but I just tried on a MBP and there's no > way I could do that regularly without seriously injuring my hand. I > generally use my thumb for the Command and Option keys. > >> 2) Caps as Control makes certain key combinations (e.g., Control-Z) >> difficult. > > Are you just changing capslock to Control or are you swapping them (so > Control becomes Capslock)? I never use capslock so I get two Control > keys by my left pinky so I can use whichever is most comfortable. > >> 3) My brain can't seem to handle context-based finger switching, >> making Control-Shift-[key] combos a great big mess. > > How do you normally type Control-Shift combos? The recommended way > would be to use the Control and Shift on opposite sides of the > keyboard. But now that I think of it I don't think I've used > Control-Shift combos much outside of Eclipse (and that was before I > learned about Emacs key bindings in Eclipse). > > One of the big problems with using capslock as control is that it > makes it nearly impossible to type on somebody else's computer. I > really wish I could find a laptop with a key layout similar to > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm (I use that for my desktop). > > -- > Cosmin [The entire original message is not included] From clint.laskowski at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 14:21:21 2008 From: clint.laskowski at gmail.com (Clint Laskowski) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:21:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs In-Reply-To: <4845279f.2989260a.058c.1edb@mx.google.com> References: <4845279f.2989260a.058c.1edb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: vs.net, huh? On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Tm Ottinger wrote: > Certainly, but if you develop skills with vim, emacs, and/or eclipse you > also get an additional thrill as the code appears almost as you think it, > and seems to dance on the screen. It is something nano, notepad, and > VS.NET cannot give . > > Of course these thrills cost you at least a month of painfully tedious > practice and lower productivity before muscle memory and productive habits > take over. > > I mainly like vim because it doesn't use weird key "chords" so much other > than ^w for gui window commands. Once you know it, it is more like typing > normally. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Dennewitz > Sent: June 03, 2008 12:30 AM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs > > > You folks are all insane. Writing code isnt about crazy key combos or > whomever can fracture the most carpals executing the sweetest macro; > its about what you write and the thrill of building something and > watching it come to life. > > > On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:43 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > > >> I've heard this advice countless times, and tried it on several > >> occasions ... and I ultimately found it to make keystrokes *harder*. > >> I think this may result from three things: > >> > >> 1) I also use my left pinky to hit the Alt/Option and Command keys; > >> using Caps as Control makes my pinky have to bounce back and forth > >> between the two areas, resulting in plenty of mis-strokes and/or > >> slowness as I "feel" for which key is Alt. > > > > You can use your pinky to press the Command key? Perhaps it depends > > based on the kind of keyboard but I just tried on a MBP and there's no > > way I could do that regularly without seriously injuring my hand. I > > generally use my thumb for the Command and Option keys. > > > >> 2) Caps as Control makes certain key combinations (e.g., Control-Z) > >> difficult. > > > > Are you just changing capslock to Control or are you swapping them (so > > Control becomes Capslock)? I never use capslock so I get two Control > > keys by my left pinky so I can use whichever is most comfortable. > > > >> 3) My brain can't seem to handle context-based finger switching, > >> making Control-Shift-[key] combos a great big mess. > > > > How do you normally type Control-Shift combos? The recommended way > > would be to use the Control and Shift on opposite sides of the > > keyboard. But now that I think of it I don't think I've used > > Control-Shift combos much outside of Eclipse (and that was before I > > learned about Emacs key bindings in Eclipse). > > > > One of the big problems with using capslock as control is that it > > makes it nearly impossible to type on somebody else's computer. I > > really wish I could find a laptop with a key layout similar to > > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm (I use that for my desktop). > > > > -- > > Cosmin > > [The entire original message is not included] > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- -- Clint Clint Laskowski, CISSP clint.laskowski at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From korpios at korpios.com Tue Jun 3 17:11:53 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs In-Reply-To: <276266d0806021943w5880643bjee684cee580a93d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <58466.99300.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <804e5c70805281027u286d4639q2019b08bfba35d4b@mail.gmail.com> <6yprqzvlxo.fsf@imagescape.com> <276266d0806021943w5880643bjee684cee580a93d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: >> I've heard this advice countless times, and tried it on several >> occasions ... and I ultimately found it to make keystrokes *harder*. >> I think this may result from three things: >> >> 1) I also use my left pinky to hit the Alt/Option and Command keys; >> using Caps as Control makes my pinky have to bounce back and forth >> between the two areas, resulting in plenty of mis-strokes and/or >> slowness as I "feel" for which key is Alt. > > You can use your pinky to press the Command key? Perhaps it depends > based on the kind of keyboard but I just tried on a MBP and there's no > way I could do that regularly without seriously injuring my hand. I > generally use my thumb for the Command and Option keys. The keyboards I use are the MacBook (home) and the newish Apple Wireless Keyboard (work; chosen for compact size and lack of a third I never use, not the wireless); it looks like I actually swap between pinky and thumb for Command depending on the other key (e.g., I'd use my thumb for Command-W, but pinky for Command-O, hitting the "O" with my right hand). I definitely use only my pinky for Alt/Option; stretching my thumb that far feels uncomfortable. >> 2) Caps as Control makes certain key combinations (e.g., Control-Z) difficult. > > Are you just changing capslock to Control or are you swapping them (so > Control becomes Capslock)? I never use capslock so I get two Control > keys by my left pinky so I can use whichever is most comfortable. I always make sure there is *no* Caps bound, anywhere. :D I've tried both solitary Control-on-Caps and having both keys act as Control; the latter always feels strange, and I keep reverting back to mostly using the bottom Control key. >> 3) My brain can't seem to handle context-based finger switching, >> making Control-Shift-[key] combos a great big mess. > > How do you normally type Control-Shift combos? The recommended way > would be to use the Control and Shift on opposite sides of the > keyboard. But now that I think of it I don't think I've used > Control-Shift combos much outside of Eclipse (and that was before I > learned about Emacs key bindings in Eclipse). For whatever reason, I never use modifier keys on the right side of the keyboard (not even Shift). I'm missing Control there anyway, and it always feels odd. (It also seems like I only hit space with my right thumb; I notice my left hovering in preparation for hitting the left Command key.) > One of the big problems with using capslock as control is that it > makes it nearly impossible to type on somebody else's computer. I > really wish I could find a laptop with a key layout similar to > http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage.htm (I use that for my desktop). I'm too much of a paranoid freak to do anything besides basic web browsing on a system that's not under my sole control. :) And ye gods, I think I'd cry if faced with that keyboard. While a self-taught touch-typist (and I assume that's likely the case for the majority of people reading this), my "style" is nothing like "proper" style. From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 23:05:46 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:05:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <6yiqxiql9o.fsf@imagescape.com> References: <6yiqxiql9o.fsf@imagescape.com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > Hey, maybe we can organize next month's meeting more than like, 4 days > before we meet :) I'm with Christopher but I don't know of any suitable venues. Ideas? From skip at pobox.com Wed Jun 4 20:01:40 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:01:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs In-Reply-To: <6yprqzvlxo.fsf@imagescape.com> References: <58466.99300.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <804e5c70805281027u286d4639q2019b08bfba35d4b@mail.gmail.com> <6yprqzvlxo.fsf@imagescape.com> Message-ID: <18502.55428.693759.539663@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Christopher> However, I might recommend that to avoid the "emacs claw" Christopher> (the scrunched up, totally RSI'd pinky finger), you should Christopher> remap capslock to control. Gee, just the way God implemented things on the VT100 and which IBM broke with the PC... Skip From skip at pobox.com Wed Jun 4 20:05:58 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:05:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Vim or Emacs In-Reply-To: <253b55880806030331u3bfe18b0p4abd51e89a632094@mail.gmail.com> References: <58466.99300.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <804e5c70805281027u286d4639q2019b08bfba35d4b@mail.gmail.com> <6yprqzvlxo.fsf@imagescape.com> <276266d0806021943w5880643bjee684cee580a93d1@mail.gmail.com> <253b55880806030331u3bfe18b0p4abd51e89a632094@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18502.55686.327710.285186@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Frederick> ... but that doesn't mean woodworkers can't and shouldn't Frederick> debate and discuss the tools that have been most helpful for Frederick> them in bringing their creations to life and why. And homemade tools (table saw and router jigs of one sort or another) are the woodworking equivalents of Emacs and Vim macros. Skip From g at rrett.us.com Fri Jun 6 22:48:25 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:48:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> No ideas on venue. Harper, any thoughts? :) I can still present on AppEngine + doctest if folks are interested. Garrett ----- "Kumar McMillan" wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Christopher Allan Webber > wrote: > > Hey, maybe we can organize next month's meeting more than like, 4 > days > > before we meet :) > > I'm with Christopher but I don't know of any suitable venues. Ideas? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From jason at hostedlabs.com Fri Jun 6 22:53:01 2008 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:53:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <4849A3AD.3020801@hostedlabs.com> 210 s clark is available for meetings.. Lisp and PHP have used it. It aint pretty like Google but has conference room with chairs and table and whiteboard and beer in the fridge.. Garrett Smith wrote: > No ideas on venue. Harper, any thoughts? :) > > I can still present on AppEngine + doctest if folks are interested. > > Garrett > > > ----- "Kumar McMillan" wrote: > >> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Christopher Allan Webber >> wrote: >>> Hey, maybe we can organize next month's meeting more than like, 4 >> days >>> before we meet :) >> I'm with Christopher but I don't know of any suitable venues. Ideas? >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From jason at hostedlabs.com Fri Jun 6 22:55:29 2008 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:55:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <4849A3AD.3020801@hostedlabs.com> References: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <4849A3AD.3020801@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: <4849A441.40506@hostedlabs.com> FYI, our new office space (the Old Electronic Arts building.. super pimp) will always be available for meetings. We are supposed to be moving in middle of July. BARcamp will also be there this year (shooting for weekend of July 26th). Cheers! Jason Rexilius wrote: > 210 s clark is available for meetings.. Lisp and PHP have used it. It > aint pretty like Google but has conference room with chairs and table > and whiteboard and beer in the fridge.. > > > > Garrett Smith wrote: >> No ideas on venue. Harper, any thoughts? :) >> >> I can still present on AppEngine + doctest if folks are interested. >> >> Garrett >> >> >> ----- "Kumar McMillan" wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Christopher Allan Webber >>> wrote: >>>> Hey, maybe we can organize next month's meeting more than like, 4 >>> days >>>> before we meet :) >>> I'm with Christopher but I don't know of any suitable venues. Ideas? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Fri Jun 6 23:00:17 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:00:17 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <34A2E54D-DCE4-4BC5-B9E1-F142C9917BF7@cs.depaul.edu> when is the next meeting? I am just done with classes so I may be able to attend and host the next meeting. I also volunteer to talk about running web2py (including sessions, ORM and file upload) on GAE. As usual me hosting is not conditional to me talking. Massimo On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > No ideas on venue. Harper, any thoughts? :) > > I can still present on AppEngine + doctest if folks are interested. > > Garrett > > > ----- "Kumar McMillan" wrote: > >> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Christopher Allan Webber >> wrote: >>> Hey, maybe we can organize next month's meeting more than like, 4 >> days >>> before we meet :) >> >> I'm with Christopher but I don't know of any suitable venues. Ideas? >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From bray at sent.com Fri Jun 6 23:04:58 2008 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:04:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <4849A3AD.3020801@hostedlabs.com> References: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <4849A3AD.3020801@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: <1212786298.1036.1257184083@webmail.messagingengine.com> +1 on 210 s clark +1 on AppEngine + doctest Other presentation ideas: - emacs and Python - vim and Python ( I could probably do something for this, if emacs users promise not to throw things at me, unless its money ) On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:53:01 -0500, "Jason Rexilius" said: > 210 s clark is available for meetings.. Lisp and PHP have used it. It > aint pretty like Google but has conference room with chairs and table > and whiteboard and beer in the fridge.. > > > > Garrett Smith wrote: > > No ideas on venue. Harper, any thoughts? :) > > > > I can still present on AppEngine + doctest if folks are interested. > > > > Garrett > > > > > > ----- "Kumar McMillan" wrote: > > > >> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Christopher Allan Webber > >> wrote: > >>> Hey, maybe we can organize next month's meeting more than like, 4 > >> days > >>> before we meet :) > >> I'm with Christopher but I don't know of any suitable venues. Ideas? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From tcp at mac.com Fri Jun 6 23:06:52 2008 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <34A2E54D-DCE4-4BC5-B9E1-F142C9917BF7@cs.depaul.edu> References: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <34A2E54D-DCE4-4BC5-B9E1-F142C9917BF7@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <031BB6B3-242D-46E6-A606-8C8AC1379BF3@mac.com> On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > when is the next meeting? Thursday, June 12th, correct? (I _may_ actually make it to this one) -tcp From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 23:33:04 2008 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:33:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <1212786298.1036.1257184083@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <4849A3AD.3020801@hostedlabs.com> <1212786298.1036.1257184083@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0806061433t2ffce6ecse020b6327b87532d@mail.gmail.com> This sounds like a good plan to me. I can't make the meeting again this month, but I'll be there in spirit. Chris On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > +1 on 210 s clark > +1 on AppEngine + doctest > > > Other presentation ideas: > > - emacs and Python > - vim and Python ( I could probably do something for this, if emacs > users promise not to throw things at me, unless its money ) > > > > > On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:53:01 -0500, "Jason Rexilius" > said: >> 210 s clark is available for meetings.. Lisp and PHP have used it. It >> aint pretty like Google but has conference room with chairs and table >> and whiteboard and beer in the fridge.. >> >> >> >> Garrett Smith wrote: >> > No ideas on venue. Harper, any thoughts? :) >> > >> > I can still present on AppEngine + doctest if folks are interested. >> > >> > Garrett >> > >> > >> > ----- "Kumar McMillan" wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Christopher Allan Webber >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey, maybe we can organize next month's meeting more than like, 4 >> >> days >> >>> before we meet :) >> >> I'm with Christopher but I don't know of any suitable venues. Ideas? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chicago mailing list >> >> Chicago at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 23:36:45 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:36:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <4849A3AD.3020801@hostedlabs.com> References: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <4849A3AD.3020801@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Jason Rexilius wrote: > 210 s clark is available for meetings.. Lisp and PHP have used it. It aint > pretty like Google but has conference room with chairs and table and > whiteboard and beer in the fridge.. I did ask Harper about meeting at Threadless. He is out of town but said he'll see if one of the other lead devs is up for working with us on the logistics -- haven't heard back yet but that was only a couple hours ago. However, Jason sold me on "beer in the fridge" :) So 210 S. Clark it is? Sounds good to me. From MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu Sat Jun 7 00:14:35 2008 From: MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <031BB6B3-242D-46E6-A606-8C8AC1379BF3@mac.com> References: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <34A2E54D-DCE4-4BC5-B9E1-F142C9917BF7@cs.depaul.edu>, <031BB6B3-242D-46E6-A606-8C8AC1379BF3@mac.com> Message-ID: I can make it and I can host it (at DePaul) if you want. You may also be interested in this: http://www.vimeo.com/1098656 Massimo ________________________________________ From: chicago-bounces+mdipierro=cs.depaul.edu at python.org [chicago-bounces+mdipierro=cs.depaul.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of Ted Pollari [tcp at mac.com] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:06 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > when is the next meeting? Thursday, June 12th, correct? (I _may_ actually make it to this one) -tcp _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mikef at arbalest.com Sat Jun 7 00:30:05 2008 From: mikef at arbalest.com (Mike Fried) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:30:05 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues Message-ID: Vim and Emacs plug-ins seem like a natural. From carl at personnelware.com Sat Jun 7 04:02:35 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:02:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hyatt in Rosemont In-Reply-To: <6yiqxiql9o.fsf@imagescape.com> References: <6yiqxiql9o.fsf@imagescape.com> Message-ID: <4849EC3B.2030906@personnelware.com> PyCon 09 will be at Hyatt in Rosemont (1/4 mile from blueline) I am looking into using one of the meeting rooms with mic and projector. mic means I can try to record it. well, I'll probably try to record it wherever it is. I need the practice. A) don't know if we will get it, B) don't know if anyone wants to trek out there. I should know A Monday - so let me know about B over the weekend. Massimo, is your offer the same room we were at last time? having the El drive by every 5 min did give a "welcome to chicago, just like Blues Brothers" feel.... Carl K From carl at personnelware.com Sat Jun 7 04:04:29 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:04:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <4849A3AD.3020801@hostedlabs.com> References: <277613010.2619361212785305254.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <4849A3AD.3020801@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: <4849ECAD.8020604@personnelware.com> no projector, right? Jason Rexilius wrote: > 210 s clark is available for meetings.. Lisp and PHP have used it. It > aint pretty like Google but has conference room with chairs and table > and whiteboard and beer in the fridge.. > > > > Garrett Smith wrote: >> No ideas on venue. Harper, any thoughts? :) >> >> I can still present on AppEngine + doctest if folks are interested. >> >> Garrett >> >> >> ----- "Kumar McMillan" wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Christopher Allan Webber >>> wrote: >>>> Hey, maybe we can organize next month's meeting more than like, 4 >>> days >>>> before we meet :) >>> I'm with Christopher but I don't know of any suitable venues. Ideas? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From korpios at korpios.com Sat Jun 7 04:28:08 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:28:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hyatt in Rosemont In-Reply-To: <4849EC3B.2030906@personnelware.com> References: <6yiqxiql9o.fsf@imagescape.com> <4849EC3B.2030906@personnelware.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > PyCon 09 will be at Hyatt in Rosemont (1/4 mile from blueline) That's great news; I recently attended Anime Central at the Hyatt, and it was an excellent venue. (You know, aside from the convention strip of Rosemont having *no* easy cheap food, aside from a hike to the McDonalds.) ^_^ From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Sat Jun 7 05:20:25 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 22:20:25 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hyatt in Rosemont In-Reply-To: <4849EC3B.2030906@personnelware.com> References: <6yiqxiql9o.fsf@imagescape.com> <4849EC3B.2030906@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <3D351684-9065-4D71-AC0E-0E103DFCFD0E@cs.depaul.edu> We have many rooms. One option is too use a classroom that I have already reserved for an exam (that I am not giving). This is a lecture in the lewis building that does not face wabash so it is very quiet. Massimo On Jun 6, 2008, at 9:02 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > PyCon 09 will be at Hyatt in Rosemont (1/4 mile from blueline) > > I am looking into using one of the meeting rooms with mic and > projector. mic > means I can try to record it. well, I'll probably try to record it > wherever it > is. I need the practice. > > A) don't know if we will get it, > B) don't know if anyone wants to trek out there. > > I should know A Monday - so let me know about B over the weekend. > > Massimo, is your offer the same room we were at last time? having > the El drive > by every 5 min did give a "welcome to chicago, just like Blues > Brothers" feel.... > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From szybalski at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 06:15:46 2008 From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 23:15:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] paster quickstart? Message-ID: <804e5c70806062115y48a20185g84db098ccaf41b9@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I read that I could use paster to create a skeleton for a project.?!@? That is great, but my next step is to tell my program to ask user for input filenames and based on that it will need to create 5 .py files for each filename. I need to substitute the names of few fields in the .py files and add some things depending on extension. Normally I would do it with some python template, but I heard I could do that with paster maybe? Is that true, is there a different tool I should be using? Where do I start? Thanks, Lucas From sakamura at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 07:18:31 2008 From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 00:18:31 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hyatt in Rosemont In-Reply-To: <3D351684-9065-4D71-AC0E-0E103DFCFD0E@cs.depaul.edu> References: <6yiqxiql9o.fsf@imagescape.com> <4849EC3B.2030906@personnelware.com> <3D351684-9065-4D71-AC0E-0E103DFCFD0E@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: There's a great mexican restaurant equidistant to the Mcodnalds restaurant. This restaurant has a great price and is well worth the ambiance! On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > We have many rooms. One option is too use a classroom that I have already > reserved for an exam (that I am not giving). This is a lecture in the lewis > building that does not face wabash so it is very quiet. > > Massimo > > > On Jun 6, 2008, at 9:02 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > > PyCon 09 will be at Hyatt in Rosemont (1/4 mile from blueline) >> >> I am looking into using one of the meeting rooms with mic and projector. >> mic >> means I can try to record it. well, I'll probably try to record it >> wherever it >> is. I need the practice. >> >> A) don't know if we will get it, >> B) don't know if anyone wants to trek out there. >> >> I should know A Monday - so let me know about B over the weekend. >> >> Massimo, is your offer the same room we were at last time? having the El >> drive >> by every 5 min did give a "welcome to chicago, just like Blues Brothers" >> feel.... >> >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sakamura at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 07:18:55 2008 From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 00:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hyatt in Rosemont In-Reply-To: References: <6yiqxiql9o.fsf@imagescape.com> <4849EC3B.2030906@personnelware.com> <3D351684-9065-4D71-AC0E-0E103DFCFD0E@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: It's south of the Hyatt Rosemont On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Ishmael Rufus wrote: > There's a great mexican restaurant equidistant to the Mcodnalds restaurant. > This restaurant has a great price and is well worth the ambiance! > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Massimo Di Pierro < > mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > >> We have many rooms. One option is too use a classroom that I have already >> reserved for an exam (that I am not giving). This is a lecture in the lewis >> building that does not face wabash so it is very quiet. >> >> Massimo >> >> >> On Jun 6, 2008, at 9:02 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >> PyCon 09 will be at Hyatt in Rosemont (1/4 mile from blueline) >>> >>> I am looking into using one of the meeting rooms with mic and projector. >>> mic >>> means I can try to record it. well, I'll probably try to record it >>> wherever it >>> is. I need the practice. >>> >>> A) don't know if we will get it, >>> B) don't know if anyone wants to trek out there. >>> >>> I should know A Monday - so let me know about B over the weekend. >>> >>> Massimo, is your offer the same room we were at last time? having the El >>> drive >>> by every 5 min did give a "welcome to chicago, just like Blues Brothers" >>> feel.... >>> >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 19:41:58 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:41:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] paster quickstart? In-Reply-To: <804e5c70806062115y48a20185g84db098ccaf41b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <804e5c70806062115y48a20185g84db098ccaf41b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > Hello, > I read that I could use paster to create a skeleton for a project.?!@? > That is great, but my next step is to tell my program to ask user for > input filenames and based on that it will need to create 5 .py files > for each filename. > I need to substitute the names of few fields in the .py files and add > some things depending on extension. > > Normally I would do it with some python template, but I heard I could > do that with paster maybe? Is that true, is there a different tool I > should be using? > > Where do I start? You can start here : http://pythonpaste.org/script/developer.html Then you may want to look at the CreateDistroCmd: http://svn.pythonpaste.org/Paste/Script/trunk/paste/script/create_distro.py You will probably need one set of templates per extension, to dictate each variation of a file layout. Within each template dir, Paste allows you to use variables in file names by putting plus signs between the variable name, like: templates/ +input_file+.py_tmpl that will use the var "input_file" to name the final .py file. And since it ends in py_tmpl, Paste will interpolate variables within the file as well (i.e. {{your_var}} ). In your command() method of your Paste Command class you might prompt the user like this: vars = {} if self.interactive: vars['input_file'] = self.challenge('Enter input file') else: # check the command line... then raise BadCommand('You must provide an INPUT_FILE when non-interactive') vars.update(self.parse_vars(self.args[1:])) then I suppose you'd have to decide what template package to use based on file extension and you'd render each in a loop per input file. in that loop, rendering looks something like: template.check_vars(vars, self) self.create_template(template, output_dir, vars) btw, the paste list would probably be a great place to continue discussing paste ;) http://pythonpaste.org/community/mailing-list.html From szybalski at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 22:50:26 2008 From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:50:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] paster quickstart? In-Reply-To: References: <804e5c70806062115y48a20185g84db098ccaf41b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <804e5c70806071350u76667fd4vb7dd4c272f65327@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> Hello, >> I read that I could use paster to create a skeleton for a project.?!@? >> That is great, but my next step is to tell my program to ask user for >> input filenames and based on that it will need to create 5 .py files >> for each filename. >> I need to substitute the names of few fields in the .py files and add >> some things depending on extension. >> >> Normally I would do it with some python template, but I heard I could >> do that with paster maybe? Is that true, is there a different tool I >> should be using? >> >> Where do I start? > > You can start here : http://pythonpaste.org/script/developer.html > > Then you may want to look at the CreateDistroCmd: > http://svn.pythonpaste.org/Paste/Script/trunk/paste/script/create_distro.py > > You will probably need one set of templates per extension, to dictate > each variation of a file layout. Within each template dir, Paste > allows you to use variables in file names by putting plus signs > between the variable name, like: > > templates/ > +input_file+.py_tmpl > > that will use the var "input_file" to name the final .py file. And > since it ends in py_tmpl, Paste will interpolate variables within the > file as well (i.e. {{your_var}} ). In your command() method of your > Paste Command class you might prompt the user like this: > > vars = {} > if self.interactive: > vars['input_file'] = self.challenge('Enter input file') > else: > # check the command line... then > raise BadCommand('You must provide an INPUT_FILE when non-interactive') > vars.update(self.parse_vars(self.args[1:])) > > then I suppose you'd have to decide what template package to use based > on file extension and you'd render each in a loop per input file. in > that loop, rendering looks something like: > > template.check_vars(vars, self) > self.create_template(template, output_dir, vars) Thanks, That should get me started... I also found these 2 pages: http://www.percious.com/blog/?tag=python-setuptools-paster-paste-omnigraffle-agile http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscookbook/Creating%20Templates%20For%20The%20paster%20create%20Command > > btw, the paste list would probably be a great place to continue > discussing paste ;) > http://pythonpaste.org/community/mailing-list.html will do. Lucas -- Where was my car manufactured? http://cars.lucasmanual.com/vin TurboGears Manual-Howto http://lucasmanual.com/pdf/TurboGears-Manual-Howto.pdf From bray at sent.com Mon Jun 9 17:14:38 2008 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1213024478.24586.1257507987@webmail.messagingengine.com> Who wants to present on something!!?!!! I would really like to send out the announcement today by EOD. At this point, all you have to do is add your name and details here: We have one great presentation already in the works on AppEngine / doctes. We do not have to go with VIM or EMACS. Other topics will work as well. It may be nice to have something testing related. I read a nice article in Python Magazine recently on code checking tools like lint, but for Python. Just an idea. Also, more details on the venue may be added there. Do we need to RSVP? BTW, I do have a projector I will bring with me. Cheers, Brian On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:30:05 -0500, "Mike Fried" said: > Vim and Emacs plug-ins seem like a natural. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 17:43:41 2008 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <1213024478.24586.1257507987@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <200090.66925.qm@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Uh, did we decide on the venue? Are we going with DePaul or that other place? Whoever suggested the other place didn't provide a whole lot of details (or maybe I have a bad memory). Anyway, I guess I'll talk about my experiences with Pymacs so far. I can show a little code and run through a little demo, but it won't take very long. --- On Mon, 6/9/08, bray at sent.com wrote: > From: bray at sent.com > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" , chicago at python.org > Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 10:14 AM > Who wants to present on something!!?!!! > > I would really like to send out the announcement today by > EOD. > > At this point, all you have to do is add your name and > details here: > > > > We have one great presentation already in the works on > AppEngine / > doctes. We do not have to go with VIM or EMACS. Other > topics will work > as well. It may be nice to have something testing related. > I read a nice > article in Python Magazine recently on code checking tools > like lint, > but for Python. Just an idea. > > Also, more details on the venue may be added there. Do we > need to RSVP? > > BTW, I do have a projector I will bring with me. > > > Cheers, > > Brian > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:30:05 -0500, "Mike Fried" > > said: > > Vim and Emacs plug-ins seem like a natural. > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Jun 9 17:56:24 2008 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:56:24 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <1213024478.24586.1257507987@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1213024478.24586.1257507987@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <484D52A8.5050800@hostedlabs.com> No need to RSVP.. Full info is: 210 S Clark 24th floor Sign in at security desk and say going to 24th floor (shared office floor so no need to say company name, but HostedLABS if anyone asks). There is a key pad on the front door to get in. I'd like to give that combo to just two people who will run the meeting and show up early enough (in case I can't make it). There is a conference room that could squeeze 12-15 people and on open office area with a oval table that could fit like maybe 20 people. There is eth cable and a hub for internet but I think the Dlink wireless bit died. You are welcome to bring an access point and plug it in though or bring some cables. My phone is 847.208.1000, whoever is taking point on running this gimme call or email for door keypad and if there are any problems feel free to give me a call. bray at sent.com wrote: > Who wants to present on something!!?!!! > > I would really like to send out the announcement today by EOD. > > At this point, all you have to do is add your name and details here: > > > > We have one great presentation already in the works on AppEngine / > doctes. We do not have to go with VIM or EMACS. Other topics will work > as well. It may be nice to have something testing related. I read a nice > article in Python Magazine recently on code checking tools like lint, > but for Python. Just an idea. > > Also, more details on the venue may be added there. Do we need to RSVP? > > BTW, I do have a projector I will bring with me. > > > Cheers, > > Brian > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:30:05 -0500, "Mike Fried" > said: >> Vim and Emacs plug-ins seem like a natural. >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From g at rrett.us.com Mon Jun 9 18:08:50 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:08:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <484D52A8.5050800@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: <517052577.2894951213027730465.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> What's the status of a projector at either of the two locations? Garrett ----- "Jason Rexilius" wrote: > No need to RSVP.. > > Full info is: > > 210 S Clark > 24th floor > > Sign in at security desk and say going to 24th floor (shared office > floor so no need to say company name, but HostedLABS if anyone asks). > > There is a key pad on the front door to get in. I'd like to give > that > combo to just two people who will run the meeting and show up early > enough (in case I can't make it). > > There is a conference room that could squeeze 12-15 people and on > open > office area with a oval table that could fit like maybe 20 people. > > There is eth cable and a hub for internet but I think the Dlink > wireless > bit died. You are welcome to bring an access point and plug it in > though or bring some cables. > > My phone is 847.208.1000, whoever is taking point on running this > gimme > call or email for door keypad and if there are any problems feel free > to > give me a call. > > > > bray at sent.com wrote: > > Who wants to present on something!!?!!! > > > > I would really like to send out the announcement today by EOD. > > > > At this point, all you have to do is add your name and details > here: > > > > > > > > We have one great presentation already in the works on AppEngine / > > doctes. We do not have to go with VIM or EMACS. Other topics will > work > > as well. It may be nice to have something testing related. I read a > nice > > article in Python Magazine recently on code checking tools like > lint, > > but for Python. Just an idea. > > > > Also, more details on the venue may be added there. Do we need to > RSVP? > > > > BTW, I do have a projector I will bring with me. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Brian > > > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:30:05 -0500, "Mike Fried" > > > said: > >> Vim and Emacs plug-ins seem like a natural. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From Marty.Murphy at na.manpower.com Mon Jun 9 18:09:10 2008 From: Marty.Murphy at na.manpower.com (Marty.Murphy at na.manpower.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:09:10 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Out of the office Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 06/09/2008 and will not return until 06/10/2008. 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Thank you. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ From bray at sent.com Mon Jun 9 18:16:42 2008 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:16:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <517052577.2894951213027730465.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <517052577.2894951213027730465.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <1213028202.9521.1257521125@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:08:50 -0500 (CDT), "Garrett Smith" said: > What's the status of a projector at either of the two locations? > > > > > bray at sent.com wrote: > > > > > > BTW, I do have a projector I will bring with me. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Brian > > > I answered this. And, yes, I can be there early to help set-up. Thanks, Brian From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Jun 9 18:24:26 2008 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:24:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <1213028202.9521.1257521125@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <517052577.2894951213027730465.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <1213028202.9521.1257521125@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <484D593A.1000809@hostedlabs.com> Great! as there is no projector here at 210.. Like I said, the space here isn't pretty or feature rich but for temporary work space its great.. and the price is right ;-) The new office will be sweet but isn't going to be available till July. bray at sent.com wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:08:50 -0500 (CDT), "Garrett Smith" > said: >> What's the status of a projector at either of the two locations? >> >>> bray at sent.com wrote: >>>> BTW, I do have a projector I will bring with me. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> > > > I answered this. And, yes, I can be there early to help set-up. > > Thanks, Brian > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From carl at personnelware.com Mon Jun 9 20:15:39 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:15:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hyatt in Rosemont In-Reply-To: <4849EC3B.2030906@personnelware.com> References: <6yiqxiql9o.fsf@imagescape.com> <4849EC3B.2030906@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <484D734B.4010708@personnelware.com> Carl Karsten wrote: > PyCon 09 will be at Hyatt in Rosemont (1/4 mile from blueline) > > I am looking into using one of the meeting rooms with mic and > projector. mic means I can try to record it. well, I'll probably try > to record it wherever it is. I need the practice. > > A) don't know if we will get it, > B) don't know if anyone wants to trek out there. > > I should know A Monday - so let me know about B over the weekend. Given I haven't seen much interest, and it seems we have 2 other viable options, I am going to cancel the Hyatt option. can someone confirm this is a good idea? Carl K From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 17:45:21 2008 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:45:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ACM Meeting June 11th Message-ID: <3096c19d0806090845l605ffb3bw26fecb11952747f1@mail.gmail.com> Posting this on behalf of the ACM: This information is also on the Chapter website at: http://acm.org/chapters/chicago THIS MONTH'S MEETING: High Performance Computing Presented by: Patrick Leonard Vice President, Engineering & Product Strategy Rogue Wave Software Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:30 p.m. Social Hour, Dinner Buffet & Refreshments 6:30 p.m. Presentation (ends about 8 p.m.) Hosted by: Roosevelt University, Chicago Downtown Auditorium Building, Ganz Hall, 7th Floor 430 S. Michigan Ave, Chicago, IL 60605 (nearest intersection: Congress and Michigan) COST: $10 Chapter members $12 Non-members $ 5 Students TOPIC ABSTRACT: High Performance Computing (HPC) and complementary technologies are becoming very important to business, government, and academic fields today because managing both ever-increasing amounts of data and complexity/speed of data analysis are requiring engineers to design high performance hardware and software. Discussed will be multi-core, concurrency, and GP-GPU (General-Purpose Computing on Graphics Processing Units - using the processor in a 3D-Graphics card for other purposes.) All are emerging as ways to address the high performance demands facing organizations. ABOUT THE SPEAKER: Patrick is responsible for software engineering and product strategy for all Rogue Wave products. To this role, Patrick brings a broad range of software and technology industry experience including software design and development in parallel computing and infrastructure, product strategy, international markets experience, public policy, professional services, and product marketing. He serves on the Steering Committee for the Service Component Architecture (SCA) at OASIS and as company representative to government organizations. Before joining Rogue Wave, Patrick created new e-business and distributed enterprise application products for J.D. Edwards (now part of Oracle). Prior to that, he designed and built custom enterprise systems for Accenture (formerly Andersen Consulting). Patrick authored a patent for Content Based Routing, which was awarded in 2003. Outside of the office, he pursues various activities including oil painting, skiing, and mountain biking. RESERVATIONS Note: Please make your reservation as soon as you know you are coming. We need a headcount for the food, as we order it in advance. Even if it is last-minute, reserve anyway. Thanks. Make your meeting reservation by filling out this quick form: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=psBjeDI0d1LfGjul91HnhZg or by replying to this e-mail ( greg at neumarke.net ) You may also call Greg at (work) 773-907-3308 From bray at sent.com Mon Jun 9 22:02:42 2008 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <200090.66925.qm@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200090.66925.qm@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1213041762.1293.1257561429@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:43:41 -0700 (PDT), "Feihong Hsu" said: > Anyway, I guess I'll talk about my experiences with Pymacs so far. I can > show a little code and run through a little demo, but it won't take very > long. > > I am game. Mine on VIM, will be short also. Thanks, Brian From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 22:07:12 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:07:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: <1213041762.1293.1257561429@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <200090.66925.qm@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1213041762.1293.1257561429@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:02 PM, wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:43:41 -0700 (PDT), "Feihong Hsu" > said: >> Anyway, I guess I'll talk about my experiences with Pymacs so far. I can >> show a little code and run through a little demo, but it won't take very >> long. >> >> > > I am game. Mine on VIM, will be short also. followed by ... a knife fight!? From bray at sent.com Mon Jun 9 22:33:19 2008 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:33:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ANN ChiPy (Chicago Python User Group) June Meeting Message-ID: <1213043599.8573.1257562289@webmail.messagingengine.com> Chicago Python User Group ========================= Chipy's June Meeting will be our best ever. ever! When ---- Thursday, June 12th, ~7pm. Topics ------ * AppEngine + doctest (Garrett Smith) * Short intro to Pymac (Feihong Hsu) * Short intro to Scripting VIM with Python (Brian Ray) * web2py ORM on GAE or KPAX CMS (Massimo Di Pierro) Location -------- 210 S. Clark , 24th floor Sign in at security desk and say going to 24th floor (shared office floor so no need to say company name, but HostedLABS if anyone asks). No need to RSVP. Meetup at Elephant and Castle for after. About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: From bray at sent.com Mon Jun 9 22:36:16 2008 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:36:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: References: <200090.66925.qm@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1213041762.1293.1257561429@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1213043776.9451.1257567289@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:07:12 -0500, "Kumar McMillan" said: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:02 PM, wrote: > > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:43:41 -0700 (PDT), "Feihong Hsu" > > said: > >> Anyway, I guess I'll talk about my experiences with Pymacs so far. I can > >> show a little code and run through a little demo, but it won't take very > >> long. > >> > >> > > > > I am game. Mine on VIM, will be short also. > > followed by ... a knife fight!? Actually, I felt like I had to do something to represent VIM; otherwise, my fear was that the universe would collapse. ;) Brian From asl2 at pobox.com Mon Jun 9 22:52:57 2008 From: asl2 at pobox.com (Aaron Lav) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:52:57 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: References: <200090.66925.qm@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1213041762.1293.1257561429@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20080609205257.GA16777@panix.com> On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 03:07:12PM -0500, Kumar McMillan wrote: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:02 PM, wrote: > > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:43:41 -0700 (PDT), "Feihong Hsu" > > said: > >> Anyway, I guess I'll talk about my experiences with Pymacs so far. I can > >> show a little code and run through a little demo, but it won't take very > >> long. > >> > >> > > > > I am game. Mine on VIM, will be short also. > > followed by ... a knife fight!? Never bring a knife to an editor fight. Aaron From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 23:07:56 2008 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <271042.28877.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am up for a knife fight if that means a round of Soul Calibur. I would be less inclined to participate if it means doing a weird dance with Brian like in the video for Michael Jackson's "Bad". --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Kumar McMillan wrote: > From: Kumar McMillan > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Next month meeting topics and venues > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 3:07 PM > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:02 PM, > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:43:41 -0700 (PDT), "Feihong > Hsu" > > said: > >> Anyway, I guess I'll talk about my experiences > with Pymacs so far. I can > >> show a little code and run through a little demo, > but it won't take very > >> long. > >> > >> > > > > I am game. Mine on VIM, will be short also. > > followed by ... a knife fight!? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Jun 9 23:45:53 2008 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:45:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp 2008 organizer meeting Message-ID: <484DA491.4020007@hostedlabs.com> Organizer kick-off meeting Friday, June 13th @ 18:30 Rock Bottom Brewery (dont like it but its close to Red Line). Be there.. be square.. they're orthogonal. -jason 847.208.1000 From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 16:24:51 2008 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:24:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] OT: O'Reilly UG News--Here Comes Inside iPhone Message-ID: <3096c19d0806130724h39efab6dl99b77d89747e67ff@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Forwarding this on behalf of O'Reilly. It has nothing to do with Python, but I thought you all might be interested. Is anyone messing around with the iPhone SDK? I know this is off-topic, shut up. Chris PS. "Here comes inside iphone" is the worst title ever, good work _book publishers_. They need some sort of dictionary or something. **** Inside iPhone--a New Online Gathering Place for iPhone Technologists and Developers--Join the Conversation. Few new platforms have grabbed the interest of technologists and developers as much as the iPhone. And with the recent announcement of Apple's aggressively priced next generation, more folks than ever will be getting involved with the iPhone. Fortunately just in time for this surge of fresh interest comes Inside iPhone--a dynamic community resource for technologists, developers, and enthusiasts. "With the next generation iPhone announced, along with the much anticipated App Store, our expert writers will have much to discuss on Inside iPhone," said Derrick Story, O'Reilly's digital media evangelist. At Inside iPhone you'll find technologists passionate about the iPhone platform offering blogs, articles, code and forum chat about the iPhone SDK, web apps and Dashcode, and cool iPhone related innovations. Blogging on Inside iPhone are some of the best known writers and developers in the iPhone community: -Erica Sadun, well known as a lightning rod in the community, who has written, co-written, and contributed to almost two dozen books about technology -James Cuff, regarded as a programming genius -Paul Kafasis, CEO, Rogue Amoeba, a leading independent software company -Oliver Breidenbach, CEO, Boinx Software in Germany, makers of excellent Mac software that's fun to use "On Inside iPhone, we'll cover the iPhone SDK, web apps and Dashcode, along with other innovations and cool stuff," said Story. "Equally important we'll focus on illuminating how the iPhone interacts at the enterprise level." For more information about Inside iPhone, see: http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/iphone ================================================================ O'Reilly 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 http://ug.oreilly.com/ Follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/OReillyMedia ================================================================ From jason at hostedlabs.com Fri Jun 13 16:55:50 2008 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:55:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp organizer meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <484DA491.4020007@hostedlabs.com> References: <484DA491.4020007@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: <48528A76.5040300@hostedlabs.com> Is anyone going to make it? I should probably try and reserve a table if possible for n people... Organizer kick-off meeting Friday, June 13th @ 18:30 Rock Bottom Brewery (dont like it but its close to Red Line). -jason 847.208.1000 From varmaa at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 17:55:11 2008 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:55:11 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] OT: O'Reilly UG News--Here Comes Inside iPhone In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0806130724h39efab6dl99b77d89747e67ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0806130724h39efab6dl99b77d89747e67ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370806130855g4328a8fsa7815f2f76535369@mail.gmail.com> Hey, there's currently talk on the Tinypy list about getting Tinypy working on it. Someone mentioned that it's technically illegal to put a VM on it because it would limit Apple's control over reality, but apparently Squeak and Scheme have already been ported and Apple hasn't done anything about it. - Atul On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Hi All, > > Forwarding this on behalf of O'Reilly. It has nothing to do with > Python, but I thought you all might be interested. Is anyone messing > around with the iPhone SDK? I know this is off-topic, shut up. > > Chris > > PS. "Here comes inside iphone" is the worst title ever, good work > _book publishers_. They need some sort of dictionary or something. > > **** > > Inside iPhone--a New Online Gathering Place for iPhone Technologists and > Developers--Join the Conversation. > > Few new platforms have grabbed the interest of technologists and > developers as much as the iPhone. And with the recent announcement of > Apple's aggressively priced next generation, more folks than ever will > be getting involved with the iPhone. Fortunately just in time for this > surge of fresh interest comes Inside iPhone--a dynamic community > resource for technologists, developers, and enthusiasts. > > "With the next generation iPhone announced, along with the much > anticipated App Store, our expert writers will have much to discuss on > Inside iPhone," said Derrick Story, O'Reilly's digital media evangelist. > At Inside iPhone you'll find technologists passionate about the iPhone > platform offering blogs, articles, code and forum chat about the iPhone > SDK, web apps and Dashcode, and cool iPhone related innovations. > > Blogging on Inside iPhone are some of the best known writers and > developers in the iPhone community: > > -Erica Sadun, well known as a lightning rod in the community, > who has written, co-written, and contributed to almost two dozen books > about technology > -James Cuff, regarded as a programming genius > -Paul Kafasis, CEO, Rogue Amoeba, a leading independent software > company > -Oliver Breidenbach, CEO, Boinx Software in Germany, makers of > excellent Mac software that's fun to use > > "On Inside iPhone, we'll cover the iPhone SDK, web apps and Dashcode, > along with other innovations and cool stuff," said Story. 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Josh McAdams From cbc at unc.edu Tue Jun 17 21:49:57 2008 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:49:57 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] BootCampArama Early Bird Registration Reminder Message-ID: <48581565.8040308@unc.edu> Just a reminder, we're at the two week warning on early bird registration for PyCamp: http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/2008/ Registration is now open for: PyCamp: Python Boot Camp, August 4 - 8 Plone Boot Camp: Customizing Plone, July 28 - August 1 Advanced Plone Boot Camp: Plone 3 Techniques, August 4 - 7 All of these take place on the campus of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in state of the art high tech classrooms, with free mass transit, low-cost accommodations with free wireless, and convenient dining options. Plone Boot Camp is taught by Joel Burton, twice chair of the Plone Foundation. Joel has logged more the 200 days at the head of Plone classrooms on four continents. See plonebootcamps.com for dozens of testimonials from Joel's students. PyCamp is taught by Chris Calloway, facilitator for TriZPUG and application analyst for the Southeast Coastal Ocean Observing System. Chris has developed PyCamp for over 1500 hours on behalf of Python user groups. Early bird registration runs through June 30. So register today! PyCamp is TriZPUG's Python Boot Camp, which takes a programmer familiar with basic programming concepts to the status of Python developer with one week of training. If you have previous scripting or programming experience and want to step into Python programming as quickly and painlessly as possible, this boot camp is for you. PyCamp is also the perfect follow-on to Plone Boot Camp: Customizing Plone the previous week. At Plone Boot Camp: Customizing Plone you will learn the essentials you need to build your Plone site and deploy it. This course is the most popular in the Plone world--for a good reason: it teaches you practical skills in a friendly, hands-on format. This bootcamp is aimed at: * people with HTML or web design experience * people with some or no Python experience * people with some or no Zope/Plone experience It covers using Plone, customizing, and deploying Plone sites. At Advanced Plone Boot Camp: Plone 3 Techniques you will learn to build a site using the best practices of Plone 3 as well as advance your skills in scripting and developing for Plone. The course covers the new technologies in Plone 3.0 and 3.1 intended for site integrators and developers: our new portlet infrastructure, viewlets, versioning, and a friendly introduction to Zope 3 component architecture. Now, updated for Plone 3.1! The course is intended for people who have experience with the basics of Plone site development and HTML/CSS. It will cover what you need to know to take advantage of these new technologies in Plone 3. For more information contact: info at trizpug.org -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.secoora.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Wed Jun 18 07:54:22 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:54:22 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Flourish] Framework Rumble References: <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <09A15D3A-B62D-4790-BE36-0DD17C6C0129@cs.depaul.edu> Begin forwarded message: > From: Massimo Di Pierro > Date: June 18, 2008 12:52:53 AM CDT > To: Dave Chakrabarti , The Flourish 2008 Team > , Roberto Serrano , > web2py at googlegroups.com, chicago at python.org (The Chicago Python > Users Group ) > Cc: Massimo DiPierro , > "ianb at colorstudy.com Bicking" , Christopher > Allan Webber , stcorbett at gmail.com, > ts at thomasswift.com, "david at 37signals.com Hansson" > , larry.masters at cakefoundation.org, > walker at signalfade.com, amw at abrah.am, bray at sent.com, > "joshua.mcadams at gmail.com McAdams" , > szybalski at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Flourish] Framework Rumble > > Your web site quotes: > > """ > WAFD Rumble > > Flourish Conference 2008 planned to host a Web Application > Framework Development (WAFD) Rumble competition where > representatives from different open source web framework projects > would have the opportunity to compete to see who can develop the > best website in the shortest amount of time. Due to scheduling > constraints, the WAFD Rumble was rolled into the Code for a Cause > Hack-a-thon. Please refer to the Code for a Cause Hack-a-thon page > for more information on that event. > """ > > This is FALSE! > > The email below is what I was told the day of the Rumble and I came > to pick up the rules (and other people did so) and I have > participated. I spend 24 hours working on the project I was > assigned, despite the fact that the rules had been changed at the > last moment, and neglecting my family. At least an acknowledgment > that there was a Rumble and I participated is in order. If nobody > else delivered a project and so you do not want to declare a > winner, that is your choice and I can understand that. Nevertheless > you should say that clearly. > > This is inappropriate and offensive because makes me look like a > liar before people who do not know better. Many people saw me there > working on the rumble. I am cc-ing everybody who has received the > notification of the start of the Rumble on April 4. I attached our > correspondence before and after the Rumble. > > This is a video of the project I delivered: http://www.vimeo.com/ > 876779 > > Massimo > > Massimo Di Pierro > Associate Professor > School of Computing > DePaul University > Chicago > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Dave Chakrabarti >> Date: April 8, 2008 4:57:24 PM CDT >> To: Roberto Serrano >> Cc: "DiPierro, Massimo" , >> "eads at chicagotech.org" >> Subject: Re: ramble rules >> >> Hi Roberto, >> >> I'll discuss this with David Eads, and we'll get back to you on >> recognizing Massimo and web2py, as well as describing the >> presentation Massimo gave us afterwards. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dave. >> >> -- >> Dave Chakrabarti >> Project Manager >> Chicago Technology Cooperative >> 312-480-8051 >> www.chicagotech.org >> dc at chicagotech.org >> >> >> On Apr 8, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Roberto Serrano wrote: >>> :) >>> >>> Hey Dave, what do you want to do? We are going to send thanks >>> tomorrow, and also working a bit in the site. >>> >>> You guys feel free to put a conclusion up in the site, and/or >>> sending me a a text to put up there. >>> >>> Roberto > > > > On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Dave Chakrabarti wrote: > >> Hi Massimo, >> >> The project we're going to assign is complex enough to warrant >> more than a few hours. We're definitely *not* asking folks to >> stick around for the entire 24 hour period; you're free to walk >> around, enjoy Flourish, and apply as many hours as you like >> towards the framework Rumble. I'll be *very* surprised if someone >> spends the entire 24 hours working only on this project :) >> >> In terms of supervision, we're not going to be watching what you >> do to make sure you don't have a 20 developer team in Bangalore >> writing your code for you :) This is competitive, but it's also a >> learning opportunity, a show-and-tell opportunity, an opportunity >> to develop a useful tool for nonprofit / community organizations, >> and an opportunity to build something that may be meaningful >> within your own framework. As I've said before, we're not just >> aiming to crown a winning "This framework rulz" winner here; we're >> more interested in being able to compare frameworks meaningfully >> and see what you've got to show us. >> >> We'll begin around noon, but the extended timeframe was designed >> specifically so folks arriving later can jump in. Give me a call >> and I'll point you in the right direction. >> >> Thanks for the feedback! >> >> Dave. >> >> -- >> Dave Chakrabarti >> Project Manager >> Chicago Technology Cooperative >> 312-480-8051 >> www.chicagotech.org >> dc at chicagotech.org >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: >> >>> I am a bit surprised by this last minute change of plans. >>> >>> I had been told this would start tomorrow and had the impression >>> it would only run tomorrow afternoon for a few hours. Do people >>> representing other frameworks really need/want 24 hours to show >>> off what they can do? Some of us have family and cannot dedicate >>> 24 hours to it. Are people supposed to stay there 24 hours? If >>> not, are you allowing people to work from home without >>> supervision? It is like running a marathon but not checking >>> participants hop on cars. >>> >>> Anyway, I am still running but as anticipated I will not be there >>> until 3pm today. >>> >>> When will the rules be disclosed exactly? >>> >>> Massimo >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 4, 2008, at 8:27 AM, Dave Chakrabarti wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Apologies for the lateness of this email (I'm sure some of you >>>> are already enroute to Flourish), but I thought I'd clarify some >>>> of the Framework Rumble issues that folks have mentioned through >>>> last night. >>>> >>>> The Rumble is intended as a competition, but also as a >>>> demonstration and learning experience for participants, >>>> spectators, and after-the-fact reviewers. We're not just aiming >>>> for a "this framework is best" decision; we'd like to get a >>>> clearer idea of what the strengths and weaknesses of each >>>> framework are. We also thought it would be cool to have >>>> representatives from several frameworks competing on the same >>>> project, at the same time; I'm not sure this has been done before. >>>> >>>> This will be a 24 hour competition; the assignment (a closely >>>> guarded secret) will be described to competitors later today by >>>> David Eads, one of the staff developers at the Chicago >>>> Technology Cooperative who has experience with a few different >>>> frameworks. >>>> >>>> You're free to use your own laptops, desktops, etc. >>>> >>>> The number in the my signature line will forward to a cell phone >>>> that I'll carry with me during the conference, so please give me >>>> a call if you're in need of guidance. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your interest! I hope to see you all there. >>>> >>>> Dave. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Chakrabarti >>>> Project Manager >>>> Chicago Technology Cooperative >>>> 312-480-8051 >>>> www.chicagotech.org >>>> dc at chicagotech.org >>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From codexile at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 09:28:38 2008 From: codexile at gmail.com (Jeff Gibson) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:28:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] app engine invites In-Reply-To: <482C6450.3020606@personnelware.com> References: <482C6450.3020606@personnelware.com> Message-ID: I just saw this email, if anybody still needs invites I gots 'em too. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Who here needs an invite? > > I want to host some sort of sprint, and can make sure anyone who might > attend gets an account before hand. no obligation to attend, so pretty much > 'free invites' - not sure how many is reasonable - if I get too many, I'll > drop the people who have never posted to the list and popped up for the > invite. > > If you want one, send me your gmail addy. > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From carl at personnelware.com Wed Jun 18 14:58:30 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:58:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] app engine invites In-Reply-To: References: <482C6450.3020606@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <48590676.5080202@personnelware.com> No one needs them - appengine is open to the public now Sorry, should have posted this last week Carl K Jeff Gibson wrote: > I just saw this email, if anybody still needs invites I gots 'em too. > > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> Who here needs an invite? >> >> I want to host some sort of sprint, and can make sure anyone who might >> attend gets an account before hand. no obligation to attend, so pretty much >> 'free invites' - not sure how many is reasonable - if I get too many, I'll >> drop the people who have never posted to the list and popped up for the >> invite. >> >> If you want one, send me your gmail addy. >> >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Wed Jun 18 07:52:53 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> Message-ID: <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> Your web site quotes: """ WAFD Rumble Flourish Conference 2008 planned to host a Web Application Framework Development (WAFD) Rumble competition where representatives from different open source web framework projects would have the opportunity to compete to see who can develop the best website in the shortest amount of time. Due to scheduling constraints, the WAFD Rumble was rolled into the Code for a Cause Hack-a-thon. Please refer to the Code for a Cause Hack-a-thon page for more information on that event. """ This is FALSE! The email below is what I was told the day of the Rumble and I came to pick up the rules (and other people did so) and I have participated. I spend 24 hours working on the project I was assigned, despite the fact that the rules had been changed at the last moment, and neglecting my family. At least an acknowledgment that there was a Rumble and I participated is in order. If nobody else delivered a project and so you do not want to declare a winner, that is your choice and I can understand that. Nevertheless you should say that clearly. This is inappropriate and offensive because makes me look like a liar before people who do not know better. Many people saw me there working on the rumble. I am cc-ing everybody who has received the notification of the start of the Rumble on April 4. I attached our correspondence before and after the Rumble. This is a video of the project I delivered: http://www.vimeo.com/876779 Massimo Massimo Di Pierro Associate Professor School of Computing DePaul University Chicago Begin forwarded message: > From: Dave Chakrabarti > Date: April 8, 2008 4:57:24 PM CDT > To: Roberto Serrano > Cc: "DiPierro, Massimo" , > "eads at chicagotech.org" > Subject: Re: ramble rules > > Hi Roberto, > > I'll discuss this with David Eads, and we'll get back to you on > recognizing Massimo and web2py, as well as describing the > presentation Massimo gave us afterwards. > > Thanks! > > Dave. > > -- > Dave Chakrabarti > Project Manager > Chicago Technology Cooperative > 312-480-8051 > www.chicagotech.org > dc at chicagotech.org > > > On Apr 8, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Roberto Serrano wrote: >> :) >> >> Hey Dave, what do you want to do? We are going to send thanks >> tomorrow, and also working a bit in the site. >> >> You guys feel free to put a conclusion up in the site, and/or >> sending me a a text to put up there. >> >> Roberto On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Dave Chakrabarti wrote: > Hi Massimo, > > The project we're going to assign is complex enough to warrant more > than a few hours. We're definitely *not* asking folks to stick > around for the entire 24 hour period; you're free to walk around, > enjoy Flourish, and apply as many hours as you like towards the > framework Rumble. I'll be *very* surprised if someone spends the > entire 24 hours working only on this project :) > > In terms of supervision, we're not going to be watching what you do > to make sure you don't have a 20 developer team in Bangalore > writing your code for you :) This is competitive, but it's also a > learning opportunity, a show-and-tell opportunity, an opportunity > to develop a useful tool for nonprofit / community organizations, > and an opportunity to build something that may be meaningful within > your own framework. As I've said before, we're not just aiming to > crown a winning "This framework rulz" winner here; we're more > interested in being able to compare frameworks meaningfully and see > what you've got to show us. > > We'll begin around noon, but the extended timeframe was designed > specifically so folks arriving later can jump in. Give me a call > and I'll point you in the right direction. > > Thanks for the feedback! > > Dave. > > -- > Dave Chakrabarti > Project Manager > Chicago Technology Cooperative > 312-480-8051 > www.chicagotech.org > dc at chicagotech.org > > > > > On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > >> I am a bit surprised by this last minute change of plans. >> >> I had been told this would start tomorrow and had the impression >> it would only run tomorrow afternoon for a few hours. Do people >> representing other frameworks really need/want 24 hours to show >> off what they can do? Some of us have family and cannot dedicate >> 24 hours to it. Are people supposed to stay there 24 hours? If >> not, are you allowing people to work from home without >> supervision? It is like running a marathon but not checking >> participants hop on cars. >> >> Anyway, I am still running but as anticipated I will not be there >> until 3pm today. >> >> When will the rules be disclosed exactly? >> >> Massimo >> >> >> >> On Apr 4, 2008, at 8:27 AM, Dave Chakrabarti wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Apologies for the lateness of this email (I'm sure some of you >>> are already enroute to Flourish), but I thought I'd clarify some >>> of the Framework Rumble issues that folks have mentioned through >>> last night. >>> >>> The Rumble is intended as a competition, but also as a >>> demonstration and learning experience for participants, >>> spectators, and after-the-fact reviewers. We're not just aiming >>> for a "this framework is best" decision; we'd like to get a >>> clearer idea of what the strengths and weaknesses of each >>> framework are. We also thought it would be cool to have >>> representatives from several frameworks competing on the same >>> project, at the same time; I'm not sure this has been done before. >>> >>> This will be a 24 hour competition; the assignment (a closely >>> guarded secret) will be described to competitors later today by >>> David Eads, one of the staff developers at the Chicago Technology >>> Cooperative who has experience with a few different frameworks. >>> >>> You're free to use your own laptops, desktops, etc. >>> >>> The number in the my signature line will forward to a cell phone >>> that I'll carry with me during the conference, so please give me >>> a call if you're in need of guidance. >>> >>> Thanks for your interest! I hope to see you all there. >>> >>> Dave. >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Chakrabarti >>> Project Manager >>> Chicago Technology Cooperative >>> 312-480-8051 >>> www.chicagotech.org >>> dc at chicagotech.org >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From korpios at korpios.com Wed Jun 18 17:49:32 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:49:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: [snip] > This is inappropriate and offensive because makes me look like a liar before > people who do not know better. Many people saw me there working on the > rumble. I am cc-ing everybody who has received the notification of the start > of the Rumble on April 4. I attached our correspondence before and after > the Rumble. You know, *I* find it offensive that you spam every single person and mailing list you can think of to assuage your wounded pride. You've always struck me as a tad high-strung, but this is ridiculous. From korpios at korpios.com Wed Jun 18 18:12:43 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:12:43 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Tom Tobin wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Massimo Di Pierro > wrote: > [snip] >> This is inappropriate and offensive because makes me look like a liar before >> people who do not know better. Many people saw me there working on the >> rumble. I am cc-ing everybody who has received the notification of the start >> of the Rumble on April 4. I attached our correspondence before and after >> the Rumble. > > You know, *I* find it offensive that you spam every single person and > mailing list you can think of to assuage your wounded pride. You've > always struck me as a tad high-strung, but this is ridiculous. I apologize for coming across as a jerk here; I could have said the same thing in a more moderated tone. I *am* annoyed with Massimo's actions, but I'm also annoyed with myself for stooping to the level of was was essentially an ad hominem attack. From emperorcezar at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 18:13:05 2008 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:13:05 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <58a5f2220806180913w179c87cfw303ab3e99170e96d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Tom Tobin wrote: > > You know, *I* find it offensive that you spam every single person and > mailing list you can think of to assuage your wounded pride. You've > always struck me as a tad high-strung, but this is ridiculous. I could not have worded it better myself. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Wed Jun 18 18:16:14 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:16:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <234E28F5-A872-4B99-A8A9-6791FE53706B@cs.depaul.edu> I find the personal offense not necessary. Anyway.... I think this issue is relevant to the Python users group because members of the group were there, some as jusgdes, I felt I was representing some pyrhon users (against the PHP community and the Ruby community, in a sportive sense), and I would appreciate if they could say something. They organized an event, only one person participated, somebody did not like this, and now they are saying it did not happen. I am not asking them to say that web2py won or that web2py is better than other frameworks. I agree the Rumble was a failure from this point of view. I do not blame members from other frameworks for not participating. I would have left this alone if they had not emailed everybody yesterday pointing to that web page. Massimo BTW. have we ever met? I mean personally. I will be happy to offer you a coffee any day and perhaps I can convince you that you are wrong. Or perhaps you can explain me what I have done to upset you so much. I do not feel I have, I am a bit surprised, and I am willing to do something to improve my relations with you and other people who may feel like you. On Jun 18, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Tom Tobin wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Massimo Di Pierro > wrote: > [snip] >> This is inappropriate and offensive because makes me look like a >> liar before >> people who do not know better. Many people saw me there working on >> the >> rumble. I am cc-ing everybody who has received the notification of >> the start >> of the Rumble on April 4. I attached our correspondence before >> and after >> the Rumble. > > You know, *I* find it offensive that you spam every single person and > mailing list you can think of to assuage your wounded pride. You've > always struck me as a tad high-strung, but this is ridiculous. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 18:25:12 2008 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:25:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <3096c19d0806180925q75d2a75ap85db1c84b2226cd8@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Tom Tobin wrote: > I apologize for coming across as a jerk here; I could have said the > same thing in a more moderated tone. I *am* annoyed with Massimo's > actions, but I'm also annoyed with myself for stooping to the level of > was was essentially an ad hominem attack. I'm glad you pulled this back a bit...but I wanted to just speak up quickly in Massimo's defense. This list is clearly technical in nature, but it's also a touchstone for the Chicago Python "Community." Part of that informal charter, in my opinion, is to discuss issues that affect he community. I don't know the details of the issue, but I do believe that if Massimo believes that the event was handled improperly, it's perfectly valid to bring it up here, and on other community driven lists. FWIW, Chris From korpios at korpios.com Wed Jun 18 18:30:58 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:30:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: <234E28F5-A872-4B99-A8A9-6791FE53706B@cs.depaul.edu> References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> <234E28F5-A872-4B99-A8A9-6791FE53706B@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > I find the personal offense not necessary. Anyway.... I think this issue is > relevant to the Python users group because members of the group were there, > some as jusgdes, I felt I was representing some pyrhon users (against the > PHP community and the Ruby community, in a sportive sense), and I would > appreciate if they could say something. > They organized an event, only one person participated, somebody did not like > this, and now they are saying it did not happen. I am not asking them to say > that web2py won or that web2py is better than other frameworks. I agree the > Rumble was a failure from this point of view. I do not blame members from > other frameworks for not participating. > I would have left this alone if they had not emailed everybody yesterday > pointing to that web page. The breach of "netiquette" here on your part was mass-mailing so many people, and this list, with an identical message that amounted to a personal grievance with lots of "tacked on" supporting material. I feel a better way of handling this would have been to individually mail each concerned party and explain your grievance in a fashion tailored to that party. In the case of this mailing list, a short message with a request to contact you for more information might have sufficed. > BTW. have we ever met? I mean personally. I will be happy to offer you a > coffee any day and perhaps I can convince you that you are wrong. Or perhaps > you can explain me what I have done to upset you so much. I do not feel I > have, I am a bit surprised, and I am willing to do something to improve my > relations with you and other people who may feel like you. I was a jerk in my first reply; I do apologize again. I could have said the same thing in a different tone (as above), but allowed my anger to cloud my better judgment. If I am annoyed with your actions, it falls upon me to clearly and calmly communicate exactly what I find wrong with your actions, and *not* to tear off in a tirade. From ken at stox.org Wed Jun 18 18:38:45 2008 From: ken at stox.org (Kenneth P. Stox) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:38:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0806180925q75d2a75ap85db1c84b2226cd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> <3096c19d0806180925q75d2a75ap85db1c84b2226cd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1213807125.14325.58.camel@stox.dyndns.org> On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 11:25 -0500, Chris McAvoy wrote: > I don't know the details of the issue, but > I do believe that if Massimo believes that the event was handled > improperly, it's perfectly valid to bring it up here, and on other > community driven lists. I think Massimo is quite justified in his feelings, but I will point out that the Flourish conference was put on by a group of college students with minimal intervention from faculty. Although far from perfect, they did a pretty damn good job of it. I don't know about the rest of you, but I still had a lot of learning to do at that age and made many mistakes. Let's see if we can move this from a confrontation to a productive discussion. From cwebber at dustycloud.org Wed Jun 18 18:17:39 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:17:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: (Tom Tobin's message of "Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:49:32 -0500") References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <87iqw6vhss.fsf@dustycloud.org> Alright. So I was there in the rumble, and I *didn't* finish. I *do* think that Massimo and Web2Py *should* be recognized for finishing, and being the only ones to successfully finish. That's a significant accomplishment. It should be recognized. However I don't think this was the right way to bring it up either. And it's going to result in a flamewar, and that's pretty obvious. Could we avoid a pointless flamewar full of angry and hurt feelings please, by dropping this thread here? I think it'll be fine and appropriate to carry on this conversation with the appropriate involved individuals off-list. Let's just not do it here. "Tom Tobin" writes: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Massimo Di Pierro > wrote: > [snip] >> This is inappropriate and offensive because makes me look like a liar before >> people who do not know better. Many people saw me there working on the >> rumble. I am cc-ing everybody who has received the notification of the start >> of the Rumble on April 4. I attached our correspondence before and after >> the Rumble. > > You know, *I* find it offensive that you spam every single person and > mailing list you can think of to assuage your wounded pride. You've > always struck me as a tad high-strung, but this is ridiculous. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From codexile at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 18:36:13 2008 From: codexile at gmail.com (Jeff Gibson) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:36:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] app engine invites In-Reply-To: <48590676.5080202@personnelware.com> References: <482C6450.3020606@personnelware.com> <48590676.5080202@personnelware.com> Message-ID: D'oh! Silly me. Thanks Carl. On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > No one needs them - appengine is open to the public now > > Sorry, should have posted this last week > > Carl K > > > Jeff Gibson wrote: >> >> I just saw this email, if anybody still needs invites I gots 'em too. >> >> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Carl Karsten >> wrote: >>> >>> Who here needs an invite? >>> >>> I want to host some sort of sprint, and can make sure anyone who might >>> attend gets an account before hand. no obligation to attend, so pretty >>> much >>> 'free invites' - not sure how many is reasonable - if I get too many, >>> I'll >>> drop the people who have never posted to the list and popped up for the >>> invite. >>> >>> If you want one, send me your gmail addy. >>> >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From cwebber at dustycloud.org Wed Jun 18 18:52:53 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: <87iqw6vhss.fsf@dustycloud.org> (Christopher Allan Webber's message of "Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:17:39 -0500") References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> <87iqw6vhss.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <87d4mevg62.fsf@dustycloud.org> Christopher Allan Webber writes: > Alright. So I was there in the rumble, and I *didn't* finish. > > I *do* think that Massimo and Web2Py *should* be recognized for > finishing, and being the only ones to successfully finish. That's a > significant accomplishment. It should be recognized. > > However I don't think this was the right way to bring it up either. And > it's going to result in a flamewar, and that's pretty obvious. Could we > avoid a pointless flamewar full of angry and hurt feelings please, by > dropping this thread here? > > I think it'll be fine and appropriate to carry on this conversation with > the appropriate involved individuals off-list. Let's just not do it > here. > Way to go email showing up like an hour after I sent it to the list. That's totally helpful. So anyway, I'm glad it switched from a flamewar to something more productive, though now my message does look silly. :) From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Wed Jun 18 18:52:00 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:52:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: <87iqw6vhss.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> <87iqw6vhss.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <4A7354E7-2BF5-498A-A4FF-0421F0E07849@cs.depaul.edu> I agree and I was not planning to start a war. I honestly did not think anybody here would get upset with me about this. I just wanted "my python friends" to be aware of this issue. Massimo P.S. You were the smart one to figure out it was better to get out before it was too late, not me. On Jun 18, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > Alright. So I was there in the rumble, and I *didn't* finish. > > I *do* think that Massimo and Web2Py *should* be recognized for > finishing, and being the only ones to successfully finish. That's a > significant accomplishment. It should be recognized. > > However I don't think this was the right way to bring it up > either. And > it's going to result in a flamewar, and that's pretty obvious. > Could we > avoid a pointless flamewar full of angry and hurt feelings please, by > dropping this thread here? > > I think it'll be fine and appropriate to carry on this conversation > with > the appropriate involved individuals off-list. Let's just not do it > here. From korpios at korpios.com Wed Jun 18 19:15:45 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:15:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: <4A7354E7-2BF5-498A-A4FF-0421F0E07849@cs.depaul.edu> References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> <87iqw6vhss.fsf@dustycloud.org> <4A7354E7-2BF5-498A-A4FF-0421F0E07849@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > I agree and I was not planning to start a war. I honestly did not think > anybody here would get upset with me about this. > I just wanted "my python friends" to be aware of this issue. Just to clarify: I didn't attend Flourish (planned to, didn't, don't remember why), and have no stake in Massimo's grievance per se. If something was seriously mishandled by the organizers, that's a shame, and I hope it gets straightened out; I doubt anyone meant harm. (Maybe I've just been driven mailing-list batty by the endless support questions wrongly posted to django-dev rather than django-users.) From varmaa at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 20:16:54 2008 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:16:54 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: <4A7354E7-2BF5-498A-A4FF-0421F0E07849@cs.depaul.edu> References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> <87iqw6vhss.fsf@dustycloud.org> <4A7354E7-2BF5-498A-A4FF-0421F0E07849@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <361b27370806181116v11a75049hcdd2da9a9f34bc05@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > P.S. You were the smart one to figure out it was better to get out before > it was too late, not me. >From what I heard, it sounds like you made a pretty cool nonprofit site in the process, though, so at least something positive came out of it. :) - Atul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 20:32:23 2008 From: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com (Craig Petty) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] hi Message-ID: <80603.23163.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just sign up for python and i am very new to python.Nice to meet you all. Craig From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Wed Jun 18 20:44:52 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:44:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] hi In-Reply-To: <80603.23163.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <80603.23163.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E1CEBF-C7F7-4861-96D1-27196347DD1D@cs.depaul.edu> welcome Craig! Massimo On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Craig Petty wrote: > I just sign up for python and i am very new to python.Nice to meet > you all. > > > Craig > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From tottinge at gmail.com Wed Jun 18 20:53:42 2008 From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:53:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] hi In-Reply-To: <80603.23163.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <80603.23163.qm@web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Welcome! It's a very good time to be very new to python. On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Craig Petty wrote: > I just sign up for python and i am very new to python.Nice to meet you all. > > > Craig > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at yankowski.com Wed Jun 18 18:43:01 2008 From: fred at yankowski.com (Fred Yankowski) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:43:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: <58a5f2220806180913w179c87cfw303ab3e99170e96d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> <58a5f2220806180913w179c87cfw303ab3e99170e96d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48593B15.2030502@yankowski.com> I can understand Massimo's frustration and I believe he has been respectful and professional in how he has expressed himself. I'm baffled by the responses like the ones below. Perhaps there is more going on than appears on the Chicago Python list that can explain all this. Adam Jenkins wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Tom Tobin > wrote: > > > You know, *I* find it offensive that you spam every single person and > mailing list you can think of to assuage your wounded pride. You've > always struck me as a tad high-strung, but this is ridiculous. > > > I could not have worded it better myself. -- Fred Yankowski From korpios at korpios.com Wed Jun 18 21:52:53 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: <48593B15.2030502@yankowski.com> References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> <58a5f2220806180913w179c87cfw303ab3e99170e96d@mail.gmail.com> <48593B15.2030502@yankowski.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Fred Yankowski wrote: > I can understand Massimo's frustration and I believe he has been respectful > and professional in how he has expressed himself. I'm baffled by the > responses like the ones below. Perhaps there is more going on than appears > on the Chicago Python list that can explain all this. ::sigh:: Read the whole thread; I was a jerk. I'm sorry that I was a jerk. No, there is not "more going on". I have a short fuse about certain netiquette aspects, and that doesn't excuse my jerkiness in the slightest. EOF. ^_^ From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Wed Jun 18 22:25:12 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:25:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble In-Reply-To: References: <4D26686F-B468-4E09-9DDF-C2AE38888AFE@chicagotech.org> <04DC808C-4927-4B24-BB1F-CB1D9A456AD3@cs.depaul.edu> <8B7C80AF-C71F-4DC0-B1F3-546D4BFE0E99@chicagotech.org> <960C66EE-DC74-42FA-AF5E-BD19AB84E53A@cs.depaul.edu> <58a5f2220806180913w179c87cfw303ab3e99170e96d@mail.gmail.com> <48593B15.2030502@yankowski.com> Message-ID: <144181A1-49BA-4DE9-A5A6-CF7F4843D3E7@cs.depaul.edu> Let's stop this. I was not offended by anybody on this list (only by the post on the Flourish web site). Nobody here has to apologize. Who want to go for a beer (and talk Python, Friends, Family, etc.)... I am free almost every evening for a couple of weeks starting on June 26. I know this sounds sad but it isn't. This is the end of the quarter when I give myself a break. Massimo From carl at personnelware.com Wed Jun 18 23:38:39 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:38:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] vim-python for ubuntu Message-ID: <4859805F.1040505@personnelware.com> > * Short intro to Scripting VIM with Python (Brian Ray) In searching around for how to make that work, I found: sudo apt-get install vim-python Carl K From fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 01:05:42 2008 From: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com (Craig Petty) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] Python question Message-ID: <885618.57168.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone know any good python networking links? From goodmansond at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 01:18:34 2008 From: goodmansond at gmail.com (DeanG) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:18:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python question In-Reply-To: <885618.57168.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <885618.57168.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Are you looking for data, social or professional networking? AMK's Socket's How-To rocks. http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/sockets/ The Python User Groups are the best form of Social networking. http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups Twitter has a few nice Python starting points, visit the followers: http://twitter.com/pycon Python LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/groupInvitation?groupID=25827&sharedKey=3B50BC189075 I've found a great way is to pick a subgroup and lurk. Say, Python on the Nokia Internet Tablets, IronPython, XO, or a open source project in Python. IRC's a great social aspect there, also. What are you doing or looking to do with Python? On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Craig Petty wrote: > Does anyone know any good python networking links? From andy.angelos at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 01:19:28 2008 From: andy.angelos at gmail.com (Andy Angelos) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SocialDevCamp Chicago...approaching quickly Message-ID: Hello ChiPy members - This is Andy Angelos - a blogger and member of the Chicago startup community. Chris McAvoy suggested posting information on an event I am co-hosting this summer entitled SocialDevCamp Chicago. On August 9, we are hoping to unite developers, strategists, futurists, and social media tinkerers for a day of BarCamp learning and creation. A few proposed topics for the day include: Google App Engine: Implications and Impressions, Mobile Application with Android, Data Portability, the economics of the cloud, etc. For a more complete listing, visit the official BarCamp wiki and feel free to add suggestions: https://barcamp.pbwiki.com/SocialDevCampChicago You are also welcome to join the Facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/event.php?eid=20586291919 Don't hesitate to contact me with questions. Thanks for welcoming me to the mailing list and I look forward to meeting some of you in August! -- Andy Angelos 219.363.9514 (mobile) andy.angelos at gmail.com http://webforchange.org twitter: andyangelos P Save Paper - Do you really need to print this e-mail? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com Thu Jun 19 01:40:05 2008 From: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com (Craig Petty) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] Python question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <623182.91535.qm@web36501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To make like wireless scanner and sniffers --- On Wed, 6/18/08, DeanG wrote: > From: DeanG > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Python question > To: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com, "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 6:18 PM > Are you looking for data, social or professional networking? > AMK's Socket's How-To rocks. > http://www.amk.ca/python/howto/sockets/ > > > The Python User Groups are the best form of Social > networking. > http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups > > Twitter has a few nice Python starting points, visit the > followers: > http://twitter.com/pycon > > > Python LinkedIn : > http://www.linkedin.com/groupInvitation?groupID=25827&sharedKey=3B50BC189075 > > > I've found a great way is to pick a subgroup and lurk. > Say, Python on > the Nokia Internet Tablets, IronPython, XO, or a open > source project > in Python. IRC's a great social aspect there, also. > > > What are you doing or looking to do with Python? > > > > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Craig Petty > wrote: > > Does anyone know any good python networking links? From g at rrett.us.com Thu Jun 19 02:19:38 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:19:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble Message-ID: <20080619001945.11EB4E0B9B@smtp-1.01.com> Well...I actually read this entire thread...most entertaining in a while. Made popcorn. I say we take Massimo up on his beer idea. Anyone up for a mid cycle Python meeting centering beer rather than code? -----Original Message----- From: Massimo Di Pierro Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:25 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble Let's stop this. I was not offended by anybody on this list (only by the post on the Flourish web site). Nobody here has to apologize. Who want to go for a beer (and talk Python, Friends, Family, etc.)... I am free almost every evening for a couple of weeks starting on June 26. I know this sounds sad but it isn't. This is the end of the quarter when I give myself a break. Massimo _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mtobis at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 04:20:37 2008 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:20:37 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] URL + authentication Message-ID: So suppose there is some proprietary data. A lot of it. Lets say gigs of binary. Per file. Maybe thousands of multi-gig files per resource pool, maybe dozens of such pools. Nevertheless, the members of one pool don't necessarily want the members of another pool swimming in their own pool uninvited. Nevertheless, there is a service (the code is open source in actual fact but that doesn't matter for these purposes; the point is that there is a service) which allows access to all of these pools subject to strong authentication. I want to create clean code that, if I am authenticated with respect to a specific resource pool, should allow me to have remote read access. I just want to know how to keep the security from messing with the elegance of the code. So. Does anyone have a good suggestion for a very clean representation of a secured remote object? I'm guessing the authentication will be a method of the object, and it will have a URL as an attribute. Some sockets and encryption would help. Is this a solved problem or do I need to put it together for myself? Oh, did I mention Python? Oh bother. Sorry. Python, python, python! pythonically mt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 04:59:26 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:59:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] URL + authentication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This sounds similar to what Tahoe does and it is written in Python (probably with some C). You could use Tahoe as a backend or steal parts of their code. Tahoe uses Erasure coding for storing the data but I'm not sure how it exactly sends data over the wire. It is designed for these kinds of segmented sharing groups you are talking about and is nice because it is distributed. Although FWIW I can't get http://allmydata.com/ (a Tahoe based backup service) to work very well, performance wise. Not sure what that's about but I gave up after a while. http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasure_code On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Michael Tobis wrote: > So suppose there is some proprietary data. A lot of it. Lets say gigs of > binary. Per file. Maybe thousands of multi-gig files per resource pool, > maybe dozens of such pools. Nevertheless, the members of one pool don't > necessarily want the members of another pool swimming in their own pool > uninvited. > Nevertheless, there is a service (the code is open source in actual fact but > that doesn't matter for these purposes; the point is that there is a > service) which allows access to all of these pools subject to strong > authentication. > > I want to create clean code that, if I am authenticated with respect to a > specific resource pool, should allow me to have remote read access. I just > want to know how to keep the security from messing with the elegance of the > code. So. > Does anyone have a good suggestion for a very clean representation of a > secured remote object? > I'm guessing the authentication will be a method of the object, and it will > have a URL as an attribute. Some sockets and encryption would help. > Is this a solved problem or do I need to put it together for myself? > Oh, did I mention Python? Oh bother. Sorry. Python, python, python! > pythonically > mt > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu Thu Jun 19 06:48:25 2008 From: MDiPierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:48:25 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: rumble results clarification References: <1bd64992-0c82-4359-a682-387af7c1df25@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <548D5B79-E545-4DCA-9A20-89492CD07CF3@cs.depaul.edu> FYI Begin forwarded message: > From: Jim Craner > Date: June 18, 2008 11:43:34 PM CDT > To: web2py Web Framework > Cc: "DiPierro, Massimo" , > "rserra3 at uic.edu" , "team at chicagotech.org" > , "ohrock at gmail.com" > Subject: rumble results clarification > > Hi Massimo! > > Please feel free to pass on this clarification to all the people you > cc'ed and bcc'ed on your original email, since you didn't contact us > first before sending it out to dozens of people. > > * You were the only entrant in the Rumble, due to the scheduling > constraints of the conference. So in our opinion, it wasn't much of a > rumble. Can't have a contest with only one participant! :) Since > it would have been kind of stupid in our opinion to do a write-up on a > contest with ONE entrant, we treated your volunteer project as one of > the Hack-a-thon projects for *that paragraph.* > > * The paragraph you're quoting was a very brief statement for the > post- > Flourish wrap-up article. Again, we did *not* go into a lot of detail > about the logistics of the Rumble *in that paragraph*. > > Anyway, if you had looked at the actual C4aC page with the *full > writeup* (linked IN the paragraph you quoted), you would have seen > this: > > "An Online Survey Management and Reporting Tool - Finally, an online > survey management and reporting tool was built with Web2Py, a python- > based framework. The application, developed in only a few hours, > satisfied many of the survey tool's original requirements and was well > received by Hack-a-thon attendees." > > I'm not sure if you saw that. If you're upset because you're not > mentioned by name, I'll be happy to contact the Flourish organizers on > your behalf and request that they add "by Massimo Di Pierro" to the > second sentence. > > * As far as we're concerned, since there were no other contestants, > you did a cool prototype to show off your framework in the spirit of > free software. If you send over a tarball of the source code, as we > requested, we can post it on the site for use by nonprofits or > others. > > * We tried to contact you multiple times via email to claim your > participation prize - it was an O'Reilly book, the same prize that all > participants received. Sorry you didn't respond to those emails; I > believe the unclaimed books were donated by O'Reilly to another group > by now. > > * Finally - this was supposed to be a fun little event to let > framework devs show off their frameworks to other framework devs, all > in the spirit of Free Software and helping nonprofit organizations. > We definitely didn't intend to make you look like "a liar" and we > *certainly* would never want someone to neglect their family over a > little contest like this. > > Please feel free to contact me if you'd like to discuss this further, > and again, feel free to send this clarification on to everyone who got > your original email. > > Thanks again for participating in the event, and best of luck with > your framework. > > -Jim > > Jim Craner, Managing Partner > Chicago Technology Cooperative > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pfein at pobox.com Thu Jun 19 14:55:49 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:55:49 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] URL + authentication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5030A361-4683-42EB-A41E-FAEEBBAEE28E@pobox.com> On Jun 18, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > This sounds similar to what Tahoe does and it is written in Python > (probably with some C). You could use Tahoe as a backend or steal > parts of their code. Tahoe uses Erasure coding for storing the data > but I'm not sure how it exactly sends data over the wire. It is > designed for these kinds of segmented sharing groups you are talking > about and is nice because it is distributed. Tahoe uses erasure coding for reliability reasons - I'm pretty sure it does zilch for you security wise. IIRC, their client encrypts the blocks before sending them over the net. Michael, you didn't indicate whether the data needs to be encrypted where it lives, such as in distributed storage on untrusted machnes (a la Tahoe), or whether the data's stored centrally somewhere secure. It'd help to know what protocol/library you're building on here - if we're talking HTTP, this should be pretty trivial. From mtobis at gmail.com Thu Jun 19 17:18:12 2008 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:18:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] URL + authentication In-Reply-To: <5030A361-4683-42EB-A41E-FAEEBBAEE28E@pobox.com> References: <5030A361-4683-42EB-A41E-FAEEBBAEE28E@pobox.com> Message-ID: I have a blank slate. So far everything is local; I'm starting to think about the best way to generalize. I was definitely thinking http or https. I think above the abstraction Python should see a file interface and below it should see http. It's really not a difficult problem, I just wonder if there is some sort of standard solution for it. mt On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Pete wrote: > On Jun 18, 2008, at 10:59 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > > This sounds similar to what Tahoe does and it is written in Python >> (probably with some C). You could use Tahoe as a backend or steal >> parts of their code. Tahoe uses Erasure coding for storing the data >> but I'm not sure how it exactly sends data over the wire. It is >> designed for these kinds of segmented sharing groups you are talking >> about and is nice because it is distributed. >> > > Tahoe uses erasure coding for reliability reasons - I'm pretty sure it does > zilch for you security wise. IIRC, their client encrypts the blocks before > sending them over the net. > > Michael, you didn't indicate whether the data needs to be encrypted where > it lives, such as in distributed storage on untrusted machnes (a la Tahoe), > or whether the data's stored centrally somewhere secure. It'd help to know > what protocol/library you're building on here - if we're talking HTTP, this > should be pretty trivial. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pfein at pobox.com Thu Jun 19 17:50:26 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:50:26 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] URL + authentication In-Reply-To: References: <5030A361-4683-42EB-A41E-FAEEBBAEE28E@pobox.com> Message-ID: <9DBAEAA8-32BB-4BFC-A647-89F67FED16B0@pobox.com> On Jun 19, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Michael Tobis wrote: > I have a blank slate. So far everything is local; I'm starting to > think about the best way to generalize. > > I was definitely thinking http or https. I think above the > abstraction Python should see a file interface and below it should > see http. If you're interested in a uniform interface to distributed storage, I just talked about this idea in a presentation on my project GrassyKnoll at the NYC Python UG. It's not a file API, but it's pretty universa. The distributed parts are done over HTTP, so it presents the same interface for the outward facing web service as it does internally. Might be the sort of thing you're looking for: http://code.google.com/p/grassyknoll/wiki/Presentations --Pete From dc at chicagotech.org Thu Jun 19 06:53:30 2008 From: dc at chicagotech.org (Dave Chakrabarti) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:53:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [Flourish] Framework Rumble Message-ID: <188A523C-B121-4AF8-80F9-7CC4B8C95C16@chicagotech.org> Hi Massimo! Please feel free to pass on this clarification to all the people you cc'ed and bcc'ed on your original email, since you didn't contact us first before sending it out to dozens of people. * You were the only entrant in the Rumble, due to the scheduling constraints of the conference. So in our opinion, it wasn't much of a rumble. Can't have a contest with only one participant! :) Since it would have been kind of stupid in our opinion to do a write-up on a contest with ONE entrant, we treated your volunteer project as one of the Hack-a-thon projects for *that paragraph.* * The paragraph you're quoting was a very brief statement for the post- Flourish wrap-up article. Again, we did *not* go into a lot of detail about the logistics of the Rumble *in that paragraph*. Anyway, if you had looked at the actual C4aC page with the *full writeup* (linked IN the paragraph you quoted), you would have seen this: "An Online Survey Management and Reporting Tool - Finally, an online survey management and reporting tool was built with Web2Py, a python- based framework. The application, developed in only a few hours, satisfied many of the survey tool's original requirements and was well received by Hack-a-thon attendees." I'm not sure if you saw that. If you're upset because you're not mentioned by name, I'll be happy to contact the Flourish organizers on your behalf and request that they add "by Massimo Di Pierro" to the second sentence. * As far as we're concerned, since there were no other contestants, you did a cool prototype to show off your framework in the spirit of free software. If you send over a tarball of the source code, as we requested, we can post it on the site for use by nonprofits or others. * We tried to contact you multiple times via email to claim your participation prize - it was an O'Reilly book, the same prize that all participants received. Sorry you didn't respond to those emails; I believe the unclaimed books were donated by O'Reilly to another group by now. * Finally - this was supposed to be a fun little event to let framework devs show off their frameworks to other framework devs, all in the spirit of Free Software and helping nonprofit organizations. We definitely didn't intend to make you look like "a liar" and we *certainly* would never want someone to neglect their family over a little contest like this. Please feel free to contact me if you'd like to discuss this further, and again, feel free to send this clarification on to everyone who got your original email. Thanks again for participating in the event, and best of luck with your framework. -Jim Jim Craner, Managing Partner Chicago Technology Cooperative From korpios at korpios.com Mon Jun 23 19:46:36 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:46:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Django meeting Wednesday; please RSVP **today** Message-ID: If you plan on attending the Chicago Djangonauts meeting on Wednesday, please see: http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago/browse_thread/thread/d673bdbd57649674 In short: you must RSVP on that thread *today, ASAP* if you plan on coming, since we'll be at Orbitz and they have tight security. Thanks! From bray at sent.com Thu Jun 26 04:54:47 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp Message-ID: Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning we used it but nobody wanted to pay. Do not get me wrong, I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of the time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. And I do not like structure beyond what is enforceable by whitespace. Brian Ray bray at sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog From cosine at cosine.org Thu Jun 26 07:30:33 2008 From: cosine at cosine.org (Michael H Buselli) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:30:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:54:47 CDT." Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:54:47 CDT, Brian Ray wrote: > Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning we used > it but nobody wanted to pay. > > Do not get me wrong, I think our anarchical methodologies work for us > 80% of the time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. And I do not > like structure beyond what is enforceable by whitespace. MeetUp is kind of evil. It works well for a while, and then when you get around to developing your own application to replace it (someone?), MeetUp won't let you notify everyone that you've moved to another site. Instead, MeetUp tells those that didn't get the memo offline that the group is dying, and they need to pay up the dues to save it. Some poor guy will probably fall for their bait, send them cash, and end up supporting nothing at all. So if you're okay with that... sure. It is probably better than nothing. T\_/T\_/T Michael H Buselli http://www.cosine.org/ From carl at personnelware.com Thu Jun 26 15:40:54 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:40:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48639C66.1040800@personnelware.com> Michael H Buselli wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:54:47 CDT, Brian Ray wrote: > >> Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning we used >> it but nobody wanted to pay. >> >> Do not get me wrong, I think our anarchical methodologies work for us >> 80% of the time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. And I do not >> like structure beyond what is enforceable by whitespace. > > MeetUp is kind of evil. It works well for a while, and then when you > get around to developing your own application to replace it (someone?), > MeetUp won't let you notify everyone that you've moved to another site. > Instead, MeetUp tells those that didn't get the memo offline that the > group is dying, and they need to pay up the dues to save it. Some poor > guy will probably fall for their bait, send them cash, and end up > supporting nothing at all. > > So if you're okay with that... sure. It is probably better than > nothing. > Why don't we skip the meetup step and go straight to the replace it step? What is the problem that this (meetup or similar) would solve? Carl K From skip at pobox.com Thu Jun 26 14:32:46 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:32:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Brian> Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning we Brian> used it but nobody wanted to pay. Brian> I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of the Brian> time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. How might MeetUp help capture the other 20%? Skip From cstejerean at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 16:10:42 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:10:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: <276266d0806260710n6ec5207hb76213c8ee2c3fe9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:32 AM, wrote: > > Brian> Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning we > Brian> used it but nobody wanted to pay. > > Brian> I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of the > Brian> time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. > Anyone checkout http://coordinatr.com ? -- Cosmin Stejerean http://blog.offbytwo.com From bradyc at google.com Thu Jun 26 16:15:44 2008 From: bradyc at google.com (Brady Cox) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:15:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: <2dfd89af0806260715s581d131dk4eb8742c417769f2@mail.gmail.com> +1 on Meetup being evil and crappy. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:32 AM, wrote: > > Brian> Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning we > Brian> used it but nobody wanted to pay. > > Brian> I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of the > Brian> time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. > > How might MeetUp help capture the other 20%? > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Brady Cox Electric Tuba Repairman HWOps Chicago "When war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous." From cwebber at dustycloud.org Thu Jun 26 17:00:38 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:00:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <276266d0806260710n6ec5207hb76213c8ee2c3fe9@mail.gmail.com> (Cosmin Stejerean's message of "Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:10:42 -0500") References: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <276266d0806260710n6ec5207hb76213c8ee2c3fe9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <868wws1bs9.fsf@dustycloud.org> "Cosmin Stejerean" writes: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:32 AM, wrote: >> >> Brian> Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning we >> Brian> used it but nobody wanted to pay. >> >> Brian> I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of the >> Brian> time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. >> > > Anyone checkout http://coordinatr.com ? > No, but it gets 20 points on the "obnoxiously web2.0" scale just for its last syllable being an 'r' with no vowels. FWIW, I think the way ChiPy works right now is perfectly fine. > -- > Cosmin Stejerean > http://blog.offbytwo.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From warren.lindsey at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 17:39:06 2008 From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:39:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <2dfd89af0806260715s581d131dk4eb8742c417769f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <2dfd89af0806260715s581d131dk4eb8742c417769f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <841e880a0806260839i73b2bd57j31a65e7e17cb74c0@mail.gmail.com> Wasn't http://upcoming.org the free alternative to meetup? On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Brady Cox wrote: > +1 on Meetup being evil and crappy. > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:32 AM, wrote: >> >> Brian> Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning we >> Brian> used it but nobody wanted to pay. >> >> Brian> I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of the >> Brian> time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. >> >> How might MeetUp help capture the other 20%? >> >> Skip >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > > -- > Brady Cox > Electric Tuba Repairman > HWOps Chicago > > "When war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous." > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From sakamura at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 18:22:31 2008 From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:22:31 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4863C247.7010301@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 18:38:41 2008 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:38:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Brian Ray wrote: > Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning we used it but > nobody wanted to pay. > > Do not get me wrong, I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of > the time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. And I do not like structure > beyond what is enforceable by whitespace. I don't have a strong opinion either way. Meetup is pretty nice, especially for the cross-pollination effect and ease of finding groups, but I don't think we _need_ it to thrive. As for the cost, I'm 100% sure we can pass that on as some sort of corporate sponsorship deal. So, basically, if the consensus is to go with meetup, let's go with meetup. Chris From sakamura at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 18:48:39 2008 From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:48:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <841e880a0806260839i73b2bd57j31a65e7e17cb74c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <2dfd89af0806260715s581d131dk4eb8742c417769f2@mail.gmail.com> <841e880a0806260839i73b2bd57j31a65e7e17cb74c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4863C867.3080003@gmail.com> Test. Please reply. I think an email did not go through. Because I JUST OFFERED you guys a meetup space and there was no positive response. Warren Lindsey wrote: > Wasn't http://upcoming.org the free alternative to meetup? > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Brady Cox wrote: > >> +1 on Meetup being evil and crappy. >> >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:32 AM, wrote: >> >>> Brian> Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning we >>> Brian> used it but nobody wanted to pay. >>> >>> Brian> I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of the >>> Brian> time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. >>> >>> How might MeetUp help capture the other 20%? >>> >>> Skip >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Brady Cox >> Electric Tuba Repairman >> HWOps Chicago >> >> "When war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous." >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 19:00:59 2008 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:00:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <4863C867.3080003@gmail.com> References: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <2dfd89af0806260715s581d131dk4eb8742c417769f2@mail.gmail.com> <841e880a0806260839i73b2bd57j31a65e7e17cb74c0@mail.gmail.com> <4863C867.3080003@gmail.com> Message-ID: You want a cookie? Calm down. On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Ishmael Rufus wrote: > Test. Please reply. > > I think an email did not go through. > > Because I JUST OFFERED you guys a meetup space and there was no > positive response. > > Warren Lindsey wrote: >> Wasn't http://upcoming.org the free alternative to meetup? >> >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Brady Cox wrote: >> >>> +1 on Meetup being evil and crappy. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:32 AM, wrote: >>> >>>> Brian> Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very >>>> beginning we >>>> Brian> used it but nobody wanted to pay. >>>> >>>> Brian> I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of >>>> the >>>> Brian> time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. >>>> >>>> How might MeetUp help capture the other 20%? >>>> >>>> Skip >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brady Cox >>> Electric Tuba Repairman >>> HWOps Chicago >>> >>> "When war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be >>> dangerous." >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From emperorcezar at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 19:09:40 2008 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:09:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <2dfd89af0806260715s581d131dk4eb8742c417769f2@mail.gmail.com> <841e880a0806260839i73b2bd57j31a65e7e17cb74c0@mail.gmail.com> <4863C867.3080003@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58a5f2220806261009r5c79f0ebl41a9e958bdb3c825@mail.gmail.com> I think Ishmael was confused why someone would be talking about covering the cost because he just offered to do it for free. I'm assuming that you didn't catch Ishmael's offer before you sent your reply. If it even got to you before then. Is it me, or does certain messages take forever to get through? Anywho. Long as it doesn't cost us. I don't care too much. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > You want a cookie? Calm down. > > On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Ishmael Rufus wrote: > >> Test. Please reply. >> >> I think an email did not go through. >> >> Because I JUST OFFERED you guys a meetup space and there was no positive >> response. >> >> Warren Lindsey wrote: >>> >>> Wasn't http://upcoming.org the free alternative to meetup? >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Brady Cox wrote: >>> >>>> +1 on Meetup being evil and crappy. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:32 AM, wrote: >>>> >>>>> Brian> Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning >>>>> we >>>>> Brian> used it but nobody wanted to pay. >>>>> >>>>> Brian> I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of the >>>>> Brian> time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. >>>>> >>>>> How might MeetUp help capture the other 20%? >>>>> >>>>> Skip >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chicago mailing list >>>>> Chicago at python.org >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Brady Cox >>>> Electric Tuba Repairman >>>> HWOps Chicago >>>> >>>> "When war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous." >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From tcp at mac.com Thu Jun 26 19:17:58 2008 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:17:58 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> On Jun 26, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > I don't have a strong opinion either way. Meetup is pretty nice, > especially for the cross-pollination effect and ease of finding > groups, but I don't think we _need_ it to thrive. As for the cost, > I'm 100% sure we can pass that on as some sort of corporate > sponsorship deal. > > So, basically, if the consensus is to go with meetup, let's go with > meetup. > Honestly, there's just something about meetup that rubs me the wrong way. But, seriously, what's broken with how ChiPy has been working up until now? If that can't be spelled out clearly, this is a solution in search of a problem. -tcp From bradyc at google.com Thu Jun 26 19:21:25 2008 From: bradyc at google.com (Brady Cox) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:21:25 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <58a5f2220806261009r5c79f0ebl41a9e958bdb3c825@mail.gmail.com> References: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <2dfd89af0806260715s581d131dk4eb8742c417769f2@mail.gmail.com> <841e880a0806260839i73b2bd57j31a65e7e17cb74c0@mail.gmail.com> <4863C867.3080003@gmail.com> <58a5f2220806261009r5c79f0ebl41a9e958bdb3c825@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2dfd89af0806261021l59c0b24dxb1642d0a45f0d80a@mail.gmail.com> Confused or no, his second email was fairly rude. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Adam Jenkins wrote: > I think Ishmael was confused why someone would be talking about > covering the cost because he just offered to do it for free. I'm > assuming that you didn't catch Ishmael's offer before you sent your > reply. If it even got to you before then. > > Is it me, or does certain messages take forever to get through? > > Anywho. Long as it doesn't cost us. I don't care too much. > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Chris McAvoy wrote: >> You want a cookie? Calm down. >> >> On Jun 26, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Ishmael Rufus wrote: >> >>> Test. Please reply. >>> >>> I think an email did not go through. >>> >>> Because I JUST OFFERED you guys a meetup space and there was no positive >>> response. >>> >>> Warren Lindsey wrote: >>>> >>>> Wasn't http://upcoming.org the free alternative to meetup? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Brady Cox wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 on Meetup being evil and crappy. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:32 AM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Brian> Should we consider using MeetUp again? At the very beginning >>>>>> we >>>>>> Brian> used it but nobody wanted to pay. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brian> I think our anarchical methodologies work for us 80% of the >>>>>> Brian> time. Its the other 20% I wish to capture. >>>>>> >>>>>> How might MeetUp help capture the other 20%? >>>>>> >>>>>> Skip >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Chicago mailing list >>>>>> Chicago at python.org >>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brady Cox >>>>> Electric Tuba Repairman >>>>> HWOps Chicago >>>>> >>>>> "When war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous." >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chicago mailing list >>>>> Chicago at python.org >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Brady Cox Electric Tuba Repairman HWOps Chicago "When war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous." From emperorcezar at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 19:27:14 2008 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:27:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <2dfd89af0806261021l59c0b24dxb1642d0a45f0d80a@mail.gmail.com> References: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <2dfd89af0806260715s581d131dk4eb8742c417769f2@mail.gmail.com> <841e880a0806260839i73b2bd57j31a65e7e17cb74c0@mail.gmail.com> <4863C867.3080003@gmail.com> <58a5f2220806261009r5c79f0ebl41a9e958bdb3c825@mail.gmail.com> <2dfd89af0806261021l59c0b24dxb1642d0a45f0d80a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58a5f2220806261027s3426ab6co825ee6989caafe13@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Brady Cox wrote: > Confused or no, his second email was fairly rude. That really depends on the tone that you apply to the email when reading it. From korpios at korpios.com Thu Jun 26 19:29:08 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:29:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Ted Pollari wrote: > Honestly, there's just something about meetup that rubs me the wrong way. > > But, seriously, what's broken with how ChiPy has been working up until now? > If that can't be spelled out clearly, this is a solution in search of a > problem. I don't like the idea of using Meetup; lock-in of any sort seems an evil to be avoided. Although, as someone who hasn't managed to attend a single ChiPy meeting (save at PyCon) since moving here in December, I'd certainly like to know the when-and-where of meetings a month in advance. (Pot calling kettle black: I'm having enough trouble getting the when-and-where settled for the Chicago Djangonauts *mere days before* ... but yeah!) ^_^ From tcp at mac.com Thu Jun 26 19:37:03 2008 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:37:03 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jun 26, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Tom Tobin wrote: > I don't like the idea of using Meetup; lock-in of any sort seems an > evil to be avoided. Although, as someone who hasn't managed to attend > a single ChiPy meeting (save at PyCon) since moving here in December, > I'd certainly like to know the when-and-where of meetings a month in > advance. (Pot calling kettle black: I'm having enough trouble getting > the when-and-where settled for the Chicago Djangonauts *mere days > before* ... but yeah!) ^_^ Well, the when is pretty consistent, the where is variable, but usually w/in a few miles of the same location -- does not having more specificity than that hurt your chances of attending? -tcp From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 19:52:49 2008 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:52:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Ted Pollari wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > >> I don't have a strong opinion either way. Meetup is pretty nice, >> especially for the cross-pollination effect and ease of finding >> groups, but I don't think we _need_ it to thrive. As for the cost, >> I'm 100% sure we can pass that on as some sort of corporate >> sponsorship deal. >> >> So, basically, if the consensus is to go with meetup, let's go with >> meetup. >> > > Honestly, there's just something about meetup that rubs me the wrong way. > > But, seriously, what's broken with how ChiPy has been working up until now? > If that can't be spelled out clearly, this is a solution in search of a > problem. Nothing's broken, but it's always good to think of ways to push the language down people's throats. I was always pretty much anti-meetup until my wife became a SAHM (stay at home Mom), she's found a ton of good meetups. Brian is right, that we might see a lift in participation if we incorporate meetup. That said, we might see a lift in a bad way. Who knows. It's clearly the most important decision we've ever made. Ever. It totally isn't. Like just about every other thing we've ever done "as a group," this will ultimately succeed or fail based on some determined person's wish to get us on meetup. If that person chooses to step forward and do it, then we'll most likely end up on meetup. Anarchy! Chris From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Jun 26 19:45:12 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:45:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4863D5A8.9060309@colorstudy.com> IMHO, the primary benefit of Meetup is that it pesters people at appropriate times to finalize the plans for the next meeting. It doesn't otherwise seem that compelling, but the pestering would be very useful. OTOH, any one reliable person could take up the mantle of Lead Pesterer -- you wouldn't have to make decisions or even go to meetings, you'd simply be responsible for making us go through the process. Such as: where will we meet in July? Anybody interested in presenting? Another option: we settle on a smaller number of reliable venues, and schedule them further in advance. The presentations usually work themselves out pretty easily. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From korpios at korpios.com Thu Jun 26 21:27:17 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:27:17 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Ted Pollari wrote: > Well, the when is pretty consistent, the where is variable, but usually w/in > a few miles of the same location -- does not having more specificity than > that hurt your chances of attending? Well as a rule, I won't attend something if I'll end up getting home insanely late (I live in Oak Park, and take mass transit; I need sleep, and I don't want to be on a train going through some of those west-side neighborhoods at night). Knowing that "where" isn't, e.g., going to be all the way up north or south means I'd be more likely to block the date off. From sakamura at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 22:02:14 2008 From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:02:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <2dfd89af0806261021l59c0b24dxb1642d0a45f0d80a@mail.gmail.com> References: <18531.35950.907120.109468@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <2dfd89af0806260715s581d131dk4eb8742c417769f2@mail.gmail.com> <841e880a0806260839i73b2bd57j31a65e7e17cb74c0@mail.gmail.com> <4863C867.3080003@gmail.com> <58a5f2220806261009r5c79f0ebl41a9e958bdb3c825@mail.gmail.com> <2dfd89af0806261021l59c0b24dxb1642d0a45f0d80a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4863F5C6.6000209@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pfein at pobox.com Thu Jun 26 22:23:31 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:23:31 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> Message-ID: <4C6AAF86-9BDC-4FE2-8ACB-C905DCE21F0F@pobox.com> On Jun 26, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Ted Pollari wrote: > > Honestly, there's just something about meetup that rubs me the wrong > way. > > But, seriously, what's broken with how ChiPy has been working up > until now? If that can't be spelled out clearly, this is a solution > in search of a problem. > Yeah, I pretty much agree with Ted here. Plus, we don't want to turn in to the "Chicago Python Meetup". Lame. From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Jun 26 22:29:25 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:29:25 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> Chris McAvoy wrote: > Nothing's broken, but it's always good to think of ways to push the > language down people's throats. I was always pretty much anti-meetup > until my wife became a SAHM (stay at home Mom), she's found a ton of > good meetups. Brian is right, that we might see a lift in > participation if we incorporate meetup. If we want to boost participation, which is probably a good idea, a simple list of "places to submit meeting announcements" would be really handy. There's a couple related event announcement blogs, we could have a blog of our own just dedicated to announcements, some mailing lists, and Meetup as well could be an item. Though Meetup is weird in that they aren't very helpful about being one announcement location among many. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From sakamura at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 23:37:20 2008 From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> Ian: Could you clarify why Meetup is not very helpful about being one announcement location among many? Ian Bicking wrote: > Chris McAvoy wrote: >> Nothing's broken, but it's always good to think of ways to push the >> language down people's throats. I was always pretty much anti-meetup >> until my wife became a SAHM (stay at home Mom), she's found a ton of >> good meetups. Brian is right, that we might see a lift in >> participation if we incorporate meetup. > > If we want to boost participation, which is probably a good idea, a > simple list of "places to submit meeting announcements" would be > really handy. There's a couple related event announcement blogs, we > could have a blog of our own just dedicated to announcements, some > mailing lists, and Meetup as well could be an item. Though Meetup is > weird in that they aren't very helpful about being one announcement > location among many. > From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Jun 26 23:45:34 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:45:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> Ishmael Rufus wrote: > Ian: > > Could you clarify why Meetup is not very helpful about being one > announcement location among many? It has seemed to me that it always acts as the canonical location for information, even when it is not. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From pfein at pobox.com Fri Jun 27 00:22:34 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:22:34 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > Ishmael Rufus wrote: >> Ian: >> Could you clarify why Meetup is not very helpful about being one >> announcement location among many? > > It has seemed to me that it always acts as the canonical location > for information, even when it is not. Hence the concern about turning into the "Chicago Python Meetup". They also seem lame about taking down defunct groups (should Ishmael disappear as suddenly as he appeared, say). Do they let you link to your own site in notification emails, say? My unofficial tally is: 1 person suggesting (Brian) 1 person willing to pay (Ishmael) 1 person in favor but really wanting earlier notification many people opposed, in various degrees of strenuousness and for various reasons (everyone else). Sound about right? From DVanOverbeke at instanttechnology.net Wed Jun 25 23:45:14 2008 From: DVanOverbeke at instanttechnology.net (David VanOverbeke) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python Development in Chicago Message-ID: <1ABC9B9D75F99640AAC958730B23456F011E5819@DC01.instanttechnology.com> To Whom It May Concern: My name is David VanOverbeke and I am a Technical Recruiter in Chicago. Currently I am working on finding a JR and SR Python Developer for Chicago. 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URL: From shekay at pobox.com Fri Jun 27 06:51:23 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:51:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Pete wrote: > On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> Ishmael Rufus wrote: >>> >>> Ian: >>> Could you clarify why Meetup is not very helpful about being one >>> announcement location among many? >> >> It has seemed to me that it always acts as the canonical location for >> information, even when it is not. > > Hence the concern about turning into the "Chicago Python Meetup". They also > seem lame about taking down defunct groups (should Ishmael disappear as > suddenly as he appeared, say). Do they let you link to your own site in > notification emails, say? > > My unofficial tally is: > > 1 person suggesting (Brian) > 1 person willing to pay (Ishmael) > 1 person in favor but really wanting earlier notification > many people opposed, in various degrees of strenuousness and for various > reasons (everyone else). > > Sound about right? Yes I am opposed due to possible single point of failure in use of Meetup, as you point out. I am opposed unless Meetup can be made one of many means of notification, which sounds problematic though perhaps less so, as Ishmail pointed out a public api now? (I am ignorant on these things) I would like us to have control of the source of notification, which would post to vatrious places, and also send out reminders to a group of moderators, or perhaps to the list unless the automatic reminder thing would get annoying. I know we could probably set up a group calendar in google and have it mail out reminders, but that would also be a notification scheme locked into one provider -- sheila From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 13:54:14 2008 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <276156.49734.qm@web34805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with Sheila: We should not rely on any single source for notifications. But I see no harm in Ishmael going ahead and creating a MeetUp page (or space? whatever it's called). If it ends up not working for us, it's not that big a deal. At the same time, we can explore other options, such as Google's group calendar. I took a quick look at MeetUp's API page (http://www.meetup.com/meetup_api/docs/). The API is currently read-only. That makes it not as useful, but there may be other ways of automating the setup of meetings, which we won't know about unless we just go ahead and try it out. - Feihong --- On Thu, 6/26/08, sheila miguez wrote: > From: sheila miguez > Subject: Re: [Chicago] MeetUp > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 11:51 PM > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Pete > wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > > > >> Ishmael Rufus wrote: > >>> > >>> Ian: > >>> Could you clarify why Meetup is not very > helpful about being one > >>> announcement location among many? > >> > >> It has seemed to me that it always acts as the > canonical location for > >> information, even when it is not. > > > > Hence the concern about turning into the "Chicago > Python Meetup". They also > > seem lame about taking down defunct groups (should > Ishmael disappear as > > suddenly as he appeared, say). Do they let you link > to your own site in > > notification emails, say? > > > > My unofficial tally is: > > > > 1 person suggesting (Brian) > > 1 person willing to pay (Ishmael) > > 1 person in favor but really wanting earlier > notification > > many people opposed, in various degrees of > strenuousness and for various > > reasons (everyone else). > > > > Sound about right? > > Yes > I am opposed due to possible single point of failure in use > of Meetup, > as you point out. > > I am opposed unless Meetup can be made one of many means of > notification, which sounds problematic though perhaps less > so, as > Ishmail pointed out a public api now? (I am ignorant on > these things) > > I would like us to have control of the source of > notification, which > would post to vatrious places, and also send out reminders > to a group > of moderators, or perhaps to the list unless the automatic > reminder > thing would get annoying. > > I know we could probably set up a group calendar in google > and have it > mail out reminders, but that would also be a notification > scheme > locked into one provider > > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From sakamura at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 14:52:30 2008 From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:52:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bray at sent.com Fri Jun 27 16:14:38 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Python Development in Chicago In-Reply-To: <1ABC9B9D75F99640AAC958730B23456F011E5819@DC01.instanttechnology.com> References: <1ABC9B9D75F99640AAC958730B23456F011E5819@DC01.instanttechnology.com> Message-ID: <694C1ADA-2B78-40D1-AE80-63DD131A7A90@sent.com> I am in the favor of the idea of having a informal list on our wiki of those looking for Python work in Chicago. I started this page http://chipy.org/looking . Guido is just an example. pls, for those are no longer looking, remember to take your name off the list. Like all wiki's the same disclaimer goes into play where Chipy the Chipmonk takes no responsibility for any nutty things that happen here. On Jun 25, 2008, at 4:45 PM, David VanOverbeke wrote: > To Whom It May Concern: > > My name is David VanOverbeke and I am a Technical Recruiter in > Chicago. Currently I am working on finding a JR and SR Python > Developer for Chicago. I just wanted to find out if your > organization has any list of available Python Developers in > Chicago. If there is any more information you would like please > feel free to call me directly. Thanks and best regards. > > David VanOverbeke| Technical Recruiter > Instant Technology, LLC > 200 West Adams #1220 | Chicago, IL | 60606 > tel 312.546.5306 | fax 312.546.5301 > dvanoverbeke at instanttechnology.net > www.instanttechnology.net > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago Brian Ray bray at sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog From robkapteyn at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 16:54:33 2008 From: robkapteyn at gmail.com (Rob Kapteyn) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:54:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7197469C-1FB9-4364-8165-ABBB1DA06B81@gmail.com> First of all, I am inspired by how well our anarchist system works. I agree that Meetup.com is slightly evil, even though I use it, I kind of like it, and I have gone to a few meetups. It's main value is publicity, but I'm not sure that we have a publicity problem with our target audience. It would be nice if we spruced up the website a little. I use MoinMoin myself, but I'm starting to think it's a bit too clunky. What do people think about putting the website on appengine with Web2Py and KPAX ? -Rob On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:52 AM, Ishmael Rufus wrote: > "I am opposed due to possible single point of failure in use of > Meetup, > as you point out." > > If something ever happened to my account (deletion or non-pay) the > group goes under new election status where Asst. Organizers can take > charge of the group with a paid account. > "I would like us to have control of the source of notification, which > would post to vatrious places, and also send out reminders to a group > of moderators, or perhaps to the list unless the automatic reminder > thing would get annoying." > > You can control the automatic reminder and send email specifically > to "Admins" or b.k.a Asst. Organizers of the group instead of the > entire group. > > sheila miguez wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Pete wrote: >> >>> On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Ishmael Rufus wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ian: >>>>> Could you clarify why Meetup is not very helpful about being one >>>>> announcement location among many? >>>>> >>>> It has seemed to me that it always acts as the canonical location >>>> for >>>> information, even when it is not. >>>> >>> Hence the concern about turning into the "Chicago Python Meetup". >>> They also >>> seem lame about taking down defunct groups (should Ishmael >>> disappear as >>> suddenly as he appeared, say). Do they let you link to your own >>> site in >>> notification emails, say? >>> >>> My unofficial tally is: >>> >>> 1 person suggesting (Brian) >>> 1 person willing to pay (Ishmael) >>> 1 person in favor but really wanting earlier notification >>> many people opposed, in various degrees of strenuousness and for >>> various >>> reasons (everyone else). >>> >>> Sound about right? >>> >> Yes >> I am opposed due to possible single point of failure in use of >> Meetup, >> as you point out. >> >> I am opposed unless Meetup can be made one of many means of >> notification, which sounds problematic though perhaps less so, as >> Ishmail pointed out a public api now? (I am ignorant on these things) >> >> I would like us to have control of the source of notification, which >> would post to vatrious places, and also send out reminders to a group >> of moderators, or perhaps to the list unless the automatic reminder >> thing would get annoying. >> >> I know we could probably set up a group calendar in google and have >> it >> mail out reminders, but that would also be a notification scheme >> locked into one provider >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From bray at sent.com Fri Jun 27 17:10:51 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:10:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F93E729-E50A-429C-AD2A-7AA9C2CA895A@sent.com> > It sounds like we mostly agree Meetup does not work the way we want 100%. I think we agreed already we do not want to rely on it solely. Should we now consider the impact of getting an account and use it for mirroring purposes? Perhaps it can mimic our normal behavior. I just want to increase our exposure. I hear too frequently that people simply forget about ChiPy meetings until the day after. And they say that they would have come if but forgot. What may be happening here is our simple email notification is not annoying enough to remind people. I also hear that people were not aware ChiPy existed. Its not so much a problem with those who know Python already. Mostly, its those who are looking for the best language fit and may benefit from our meetings I want to capture here. I do not know if this is the whole 20%. Then, certainly, there are some regulars who I want to convince, as well. Yes, there are some hard-core Python people who fail to come to meetings. Our topics and presentations are top notch and I feel more will come if we do a better job announcing up coming events in a more timely and systematic manner. OTOH, I do not want to hurt our reputation by becoming Yet Another Meetup. Its a balancing act between getting exposure and exploiting ourselves. Brian Ray bray at sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog From fred at polgardy.com Fri Jun 27 17:24:06 2008 From: fred at polgardy.com (Frederick Polgardy) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:24:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <32264718-D595-481D-A22A-3D0921183A53@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> <7197469C-1FB9-4364-8165-ABBB1DA06B81@gmail.com> <32264718-D595-481D-A22A-3D0921183A53@pobox.com> Message-ID: <253b55880806270824g250943a9yef348c0f8a1b72d1@mail.gmail.com> Yep, you can map any domain name to an app engine app. On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Pete wrote: > On Jun 27, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Rob Kapteyn wrote: > >> >> What do people think about putting the website on appengine with Web2Py >> and KPAX ? >> > > Can it still be hosted at http://chipy.org if we do that? I didn't think > so, and we shouldn't give up our Google juice... -- Science answers questions; philosophy questions answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sakamura at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 17:25:54 2008 From: sakamura at gmail.com (Ishmael Rufus) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:25:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <4F93E729-E50A-429C-AD2A-7AA9C2CA895A@sent.com> References: <4F93E729-E50A-429C-AD2A-7AA9C2CA895A@sent.com> Message-ID: <48650682.6020906@gmail.com> What is wrong with being declared "Yet Another Meetup"? You can easily be labeled Yet Another Users Group. Is there some joke that's going around (about Meetup.com) that I have yet to hear? Brian Ray wrote: >> > > > It sounds like we mostly agree Meetup does not work the way we want > 100%. I think we agreed already we do not want to rely on it solely. > > Should we now consider the impact of getting an account and use it for > mirroring purposes? Perhaps it can mimic our normal behavior. I just > want to increase our exposure. I hear too frequently that people > simply forget about ChiPy meetings until the day after. And they say > that they would have come if but forgot. What may be happening here is > our simple email notification is not annoying enough to remind people. > > I also hear that people were not aware ChiPy existed. Its not so much > a problem with those who know Python already. Mostly, its those who > are looking for the best language fit and may benefit from our > meetings I want to capture here. I do not know if this is the whole > 20%. Then, certainly, there are some regulars who I want to convince, > as well. Yes, there are some hard-core Python people who fail to come > to meetings. Our topics and presentations are top notch and I feel > more will come if we do a better job announcing up coming events in a > more timely and systematic manner. > > OTOH, I do not want to hurt our reputation by becoming Yet Another > Meetup. Its a balancing act between getting exposure and exploiting > ourselves. > > > > Brian Ray > bray at sent.com > http://kazavoo.com/blog > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Fri Jun 27 17:26:24 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:26:24 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <253b55880806270824g250943a9yef348c0f8a1b72d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> <7197469C-1FB9-4364-8165-ABBB1DA06B81@gmail.com> <32264718-D595-481D-A22A-3D0921183A53@pobox.com> <253b55880806270824g250943a9yef348c0f8a1b72d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mind that KPAX does not run on the app-engine because it does a lot of joins and other complex queries. Massimo On Jun 27, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Frederick Polgardy wrote: > Yep, you can map any domain name to an app engine app. > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Pete wrote: > On Jun 27, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Rob Kapteyn wrote: > > What do people think about putting the website on appengine with > Web2Py and KPAX ? > > Can it still be hosted at http://chipy.org if we do that? I didn't > think so, and we shouldn't give up our Google juice... > > -- > Science answers questions; philosophy questions answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fred at polgardy.com Fri Jun 27 17:39:46 2008 From: fred at polgardy.com (Frederick Polgardy) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:39:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> <7197469C-1FB9-4364-8165-ABBB1DA06B81@gmail.com> <32264718-D595-481D-A22A-3D0921183A53@pobox.com> <253b55880806270824g250943a9yef348c0f8a1b72d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <253b55880806270839g58ea3852xa7978966be2d4651@mail.gmail.com> Well, you don't have *any* SQL database functionality on GAE. It's all the Google data store stuff, and has its own APIs. On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > Mind that KPAX does not run on the app-engine because it does a lot of > joins and other complex queries. > Massimo > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Frederick Polgardy wrote: > > Yep, you can map any domain name to an app engine app. > > -- Science answers questions; philosophy questions answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g at rrett.us.com Fri Jun 27 17:41:01 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:41:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <48650682.6020906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1764308602.3393601214581261776.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> This is turning into a weird thread. Is there a time limit on this discussion? ----- "Ishmael Rufus" wrote: > What is wrong with being declared "Yet Another Meetup"? You can easily > > be labeled Yet Another Users Group. > > Is there some joke that's going around (about Meetup.com) that I have > > yet to hear? > > Brian Ray wrote: > >> > > > > > > It sounds like we mostly agree Meetup does not work the way we want > > > 100%. I think we agreed already we do not want to rely on it > solely. > > > > Should we now consider the impact of getting an account and use it > for > > mirroring purposes? Perhaps it can mimic our normal behavior. I > just > > want to increase our exposure. I hear too frequently that people > > simply forget about ChiPy meetings until the day after. And they say > > > that they would have come if but forgot. What may be happening here > is > > our simple email notification is not annoying enough to remind > people. > > > > I also hear that people were not aware ChiPy existed. Its not so > much > > a problem with those who know Python already. Mostly, its those who > > > are looking for the best language fit and may benefit from our > > meetings I want to capture here. I do not know if this is the whole > > > 20%. Then, certainly, there are some regulars who I want to > convince, > > as well. Yes, there are some hard-core Python people who fail to > come > > to meetings. Our topics and presentations are top notch and I feel > > more will come if we do a better job announcing up coming events in > a > > more timely and systematic manner. > > > > OTOH, I do not want to hurt our reputation by becoming Yet Another > > Meetup. Its a balancing act between getting exposure and exploiting > > > ourselves. > > > > > > > > Brian Ray > > bray at sent.com > > http://kazavoo.com/blog > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Fri Jun 27 18:12:40 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:12:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <253b55880806270839g58ea3852xa7978966be2d4651@mail.gmail.com> References: <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> <7197469C-1FB9-4364-8165-ABBB1DA06B81@gmail.com> <32264718-D595-481D-A22A-3D0921183A53@pobox.com> <253b55880806270824g250943a9yef348c0f8a1b72d1@mail.gmail.com> <253b55880806270839g58ea3852xa7978966be2d4651@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Most of the GAE functionality is supported by the web2py ORM and *any* program written with web2py for GAE works on other databases (mysql,postgresql,sqlite, oracle (and mssq soon)). The opposite is not true. For example db(db.table.field='value').select (db.table.ALL,orderby=~db.tabel.field) works everywhere including GAE but db((db.table.field='value')& (db.othertable.id==db.table.referencefield)).select (db.table.ALL,orderby=~db.tabel.field) does not work on GAE because it does a join. On Jun 27, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Frederick Polgardy wrote: > Well, you don't have *any* SQL database functionality on GAE. It's > all the Google data store stuff, and has its own APIs. > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Massimo Di Pierro > wrote: > Mind that KPAX does not run on the app-engine because it does a lot > of joins and other complex queries. > > Massimo > > On Jun 27, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Frederick Polgardy wrote: > >> Yep, you can map any domain name to an app engine app. > > -- > Science answers questions; philosophy questions answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Fri Jun 27 18:52:00 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:52:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] GAE queries In-Reply-To: References: <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> <7197469C-1FB9-4364-8165-ABBB1DA06B81@gmail.com> <32264718-D595-481D-A22A-3D0921183A53@pobox.com> <253b55880806270824g250943a9yef348c0f8a1b72d1@mail.gmail.com> <253b55880806270839g58ea3852xa7978966be2d4651@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48651AB0.8060604@personnelware.com> Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > Most of the GAE functionality is supported by the web2py ORM and *any* > program written with web2py for GAE works on other databases > (mysql,postgresql,sqlite, oracle (and mssq soon)). The opposite is not > true. For example > > db(db.table.field='value').select(db.table.ALL,orderby=~db.tabel.field) > > works everywhere including GAE but > > > db((db.table.field='value')&(db.othertable.id==db.table.referencefield)).select(db.table.ALL,orderby=~db.tabel.field) > > > does not work on GAE because it does a join. Somewhere I have some code to do 'client side join' when the base tables were on different data sources (servers). worst case I dig it up and we figure out how to use it as designed. my hunch is GAE provides something better. post some code from kpax - maybe we can figure out how to make it run. Carl K From g at rrett.us.com Fri Jun 27 19:29:29 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:29:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Stopping doctests In-Reply-To: <680498399.3403231214583385782.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <1127345285.3420851214587769820.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Does anyone know how I might gracefully stop a doctest in mid-stream? There doesn't appear to be any official support in the doctest module, though I could have missed something. The case is where I'm testing external services and, if the service is down, I don't want to plunge ahead the run all of the tests (by design doctests run through to completion). Garrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Fri Jun 27 20:27:27 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:27:27 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] GAE queries In-Reply-To: <48651AB0.8060604@personnelware.com> References: <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> <7197469C-1FB9-4364-8165-ABBB1DA06B81@gmail.com> <32264718-D595-481D-A22A-3D0921183A53@pobox.com> <253b55880806270824g250943a9yef348c0f8a1b72d1@mail.gmail.com> <253b55880806270839g58ea3852xa7978966be2d4651@mail.gmail.com> <48651AB0.8060604@personnelware.com> Message-ID: This is a typical one def accessible(table_name,access_types=('read',)): return db(db.access.users_group.belongs(g_tuple))\ (db.access.table_name==table_name)\ (db.access.access_type.belongs(access_types))\ (db[table_name].id==db.access.record_id).select(db[table_name].ALL)) Massimo On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Massimo Di Pierro wrote: >> Most of the GAE functionality is supported by the web2py ORM and >> *any* >> program written with web2py for GAE works on other databases >> (mysql,postgresql,sqlite, oracle (and mssq soon)). The opposite is >> not >> true. For example >> >> >> db >> (db.table.field='value').select(db.table.ALL,orderby=~db.tabel.field) >> >> works everywhere including GAE but >> >> >> db >> ((db >> .table >> .field >> = >> 'value >> ')&(db >> .othertable >> .id >> = >> = >> db >> .table.referencefield)).select(db.table.ALL,orderby=~db.tabel.field) >> >> >> does not work on GAE because it does a join. > > Somewhere I have some code to do 'client side join' when the base > tables were on > different data sources (servers). worst case I dig it up and we > figure out how > to use it as designed. my hunch is GAE provides something better. > > post some code from kpax - maybe we can figure out how to make it run. > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From carl at personnelware.com Fri Jun 27 21:54:14 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:54:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <4863D5A8.9060309@colorstudy.com> References: <4863D5A8.9060309@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <48654566.6040906@personnelware.com> Ian Bicking wrote: > IMHO, the primary benefit of Meetup is that it pesters people at > appropriate times to finalize the plans for the next meeting. It > doesn't otherwise seem that compelling, but the pestering would be very > useful. OTOH, any one reliable person could take up the mantle of Lead > Pesterer -- you wouldn't have to make decisions or even go to meetings, > you'd simply be responsible for making us go through the process. > > Such as: where will we meet in July? Anybody interested in presenting? I nominate myself at that guy for a while, either until it is obvious that I am not doing squat (like if I move to WA), or there is a chicken coup and I am overthrown. I'll work with BR the PR guy to decimate my ruling to the masses. Here is my plank: I'll pick from the many offers we have for venues, which normally is a total of one. In the event that there are none, we meet at Hyatt in Rosemont, which is in the burbs, so someone better come up with something for July 10 in the next few days. If HostedLABS is on schedule, they are first on the list for Aug 14. vote early and vote often. Carl K From shekay at pobox.com Fri Jun 27 22:02:31 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:02:31 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <48654566.6040906@personnelware.com> References: <4863D5A8.9060309@colorstudy.com> <48654566.6040906@personnelware.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > am overthrown. I'll work with BR the PR guy to decimate my ruling to the > masses. BR reduces your ruling by 10%? -- sheila From carl at personnelware.com Fri Jun 27 23:05:19 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:05:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: References: <4863D5A8.9060309@colorstudy.com> <48654566.6040906@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <4865560F.1070606@personnelware.com> sheila miguez wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> am overthrown. I'll work with BR the PR guy to decimate my ruling to the >> masses. > > BR reduces your ruling by 10%? No commenting on the emperor's clothes or word choice. Carl K From david.durham.jr at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 23:36:36 2008 From: david.durham.jr at gmail.com (David Durham, Jr.) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:36:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] any python openings in chicago Message-ID: Hi, Wondering if anyone knows of a python job in Chicago. My background is about 8 years of web development with Java plus a couple years of DBA mixed in and about 4 months of Python. I'm hoping to find an opportunity involving Django. Thanks, Dave From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Fri Jun 27 23:51:41 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:51:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] reddish: reddit clone on gae In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DFBC8D0-F9AF-477C-B8DA-0802A32996DD@cs.depaul.edu> Could anybody this give a try? http://web2py.appspot.com/index/politics Massimo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From special.kevin at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 00:26:53 2008 From: special.kevin at gmail.com (Kevin Harriss) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:26:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] reddish: reddit clone on gae In-Reply-To: <6DFBC8D0-F9AF-477C-B8DA-0802A32996DD@cs.depaul.edu> References: <6DFBC8D0-F9AF-477C-B8DA-0802A32996DD@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <97b3d1fd0806271526q739d053hbcc8204bd2faf611@mail.gmail.com> Massimo, Here are some initial feedback: 1) I noticed is that you get no feedback if you try to vote on a link with being logged into the site. Reddit tells you need to create an account or log in and gives you the forms to do so. This is the behavior I would expect from your site as well. 2) On the comment screen why is the help link all alone off by itself? 3) Why are the titles yelling at me? When I submit a news story it doesn't honor case, it just converts everything to uppercase. Kevin On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > Could anybody this give a try? > > http://web2py.appspot.com/index/politics > > Massimo > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- - specialKevin - Kevin Harriss - http://www.specialkevin.com From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Sat Jun 28 02:28:32 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:28:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] reddish: reddit clone on gae In-Reply-To: <97b3d1fd0806271526q739d053hbcc8204bd2faf611@mail.gmail.com> References: <6DFBC8D0-F9AF-477C-B8DA-0802A32996DD@cs.depaul.edu> <97b3d1fd0806271526q739d053hbcc8204bd2faf611@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9D06C72C-95A5-4CD6-96BF-D6DC825458CC@cs.depaul.edu> Thanks. fixed. On Jun 27, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Kevin Harriss wrote: > Massimo, > > Here are some initial feedback: > > 1) I noticed is that you get no feedback if you try to vote on a link > with being logged into the site. Reddit tells you need to create an > account or log in and gives you the forms to do so. This is the > behavior I would expect from your site as well. > > 2) On the comment screen why is the help link all alone off by itself? > > 3) Why are the titles yelling at me? When I submit a news story it > doesn't honor case, it just converts everything to uppercase. > > Kevin > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Massimo Di Pierro > wrote: >> Could anybody this give a try? >> >> http://web2py.appspot.com/index/politics >> >> Massimo >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > > -- > - specialKevin > - Kevin Harriss > - http://www.specialkevin.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From ianb at colorstudy.com Sat Jun 28 02:39:23 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:39:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <7197469C-1FB9-4364-8165-ABBB1DA06B81@gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0806260938v7f676840l5599eb8b76c08669@mail.gmail.com> <62392C9D-A8A7-470B-8B2A-0977B081A550@mac.com> <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> <7197469C-1FB9-4364-8165-ABBB1DA06B81@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4865883B.9060207@colorstudy.com> Rob Kapteyn wrote: > What do people think about putting the website on appengine with Web2Py > and KPAX ? Is someone willing to maintain an installation? If so it's cool by me. Though it was a little unclear to me if it was more of an internal organization tool or a public one? I.e., we want all our information to be visible by everyone by default, and only require self-signup to edit stuff. I'm still mostly interested in the reminding cronbot, which Carl volunteered to be. Oh... should I second Carl's self-nomination or something? I'd do that. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From riskfree at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 02:54:17 2008 From: riskfree at gmail.com (Doug C) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:54:17 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] any python openings in chicago In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <371d81ec0806271754h2d1f082fl6de6b545c1777b9@mail.gmail.com> Hi David, My name is Doug Carucci. After 10 years of building realtime trading systems for Citadel Investment Group in Chicago, I have left to start my own company. I opened up an office in Oak Brook last month. I am looking for a good front-end and good back-end (server) programmer to start. The applications that I am spec'ing will be delivered as an ASP solution. I would like my development environment to be based on open source: perl, python, java, mysql specifically. If you or someone else you know is interested in understanding more about the opportunity, please send a resume and contact number and I will be in touch. thanks, Doug On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:36 PM, David Durham, Jr. < david.durham.jr at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Wondering if anyone knows of a python job in Chicago. My background > is about 8 years of web development with Java plus a couple years of > DBA mixed in and about 4 months of Python. I'm hoping to find an > opportunity involving Django. > > Thanks, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 04:22:58 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:22:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] any python openings in chicago In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dave. The company I work at, Leapfrog Online, is currently looking for Django developers. Here is the official ad: http://leapfrogonline.com/who/careers.php#55 I've posted a similar ad like this and we were able to pull in some great people but business is booming and the need for web apps is booming with it. I'm not all that interested in marketing myself but economically the focus is definitely shifting towards the WWW, so this is good. The company is run by smart, level-headed people, and they look great in front of a fake blue sky: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/mag/article.pl?articleId=29966&seenIt=1 You [or anyone else reading this] can send your resume to the contact info mentioned in the ad or you can email it directly to me. We primarily build sites (Django, Rails) to acquire customers for our clients. Working on our sites involves dealing with a high amount of traffic and managing lots and lots of clickstream data. We work with search engines and other media to generate traffic so there is an added challenge in "taming" all the bots that need to hit our sites on a regular basis. Nice bot, down bot, stay. Stay. Good bot. On top of that we are pretty badly test-infected and always look to hire developers who can only call something "done" when there are automated tests to prove it. Just like science, if you can't test it, it's not real. In our case, if you can't test it, it's not software. But don't let that stop you if you're new to testing; we can get you up to speed on that. Kumar On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:36 PM, David Durham, Jr. wrote: > Hi, > > Wondering if anyone knows of a python job in Chicago. My background > is about 8 years of web development with Java plus a couple years of > DBA mixed in and about 4 months of Python. I'm hoping to find an > opportunity involving Django. > > Thanks, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 04:39:35 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:39:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <4865883B.9060207@colorstudy.com> References: <3096c19d0806261052u5c6ee075l194774ed75d1e9f8@mail.gmail.com> <4863FC25.4050708@colorstudy.com> <48640C10.4030308@gmail.com> <48640DFE.4020500@colorstudy.com> <4864E28E.7070209@gmail.com> <7197469C-1FB9-4364-8165-ABBB1DA06B81@gmail.com> <4865883B.9060207@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > I'm still mostly interested in the reminding cronbot, which Carl volunteered > to be. Oh... should I second Carl's self-nomination or something? I'd do > that. Here here. Carl Karsten for Director of Cronbot Meeting Reminders. From bray at sent.com Sat Jun 28 05:58:09 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:58:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] MeetUp In-Reply-To: <4865560F.1070606@personnelware.com> References: <4863D5A8.9060309@colorstudy.com> <48654566.6040906@personnelware.com> <4865560F.1070606@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <80C3D498-D845-4332-826E-3B5E1248AE8D@sent.com> Carl: +1 cronbot, at least, in theory But, you lost me on Rosemont . Unless of course your offering to start the Rosemont Python User Group ;) Nonetheless go for it. Likewise deploying things on the current chipy.org is always an option. Ping me off the list for the key (or send me your, otoh). It seems to often, efforts to make life easier end up in long winding threads. Lets just call this topic dead for now, and discuss in person after a couple beers after (during?) the next ChiPy meeting. All those who dare to call themselves organizers of ChiPy are welcome to join the conversations. But I do feel its too confusion and filled comments from the peanut gallery. Meanwhile, lets just call this all food for thought. Or we can pretend like this never happened. -- Brian On Jun 27, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > sheila miguez wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Carl Karsten >> wrote: >>> am overthrown. I'll work with BR the PR guy to decimate my ruling >>> to the >>> masses. >> BR reduces your ruling by 10%? > > No commenting on the emperor's clothes or word choice. From carl at personnelware.com Mon Jun 30 02:55:37 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:55:37 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers Message-ID: <48682F09.6070404@personnelware.com> Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in on Metra so under a mile from Union Station would be nice. Carl K From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Mon Jun 30 03:03:34 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:03:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <48682F09.6070404@personnelware.com> References: <48682F09.6070404@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <56644D2A-7DE3-44F0-81FC-95F33D90D04C@cs.depaul.edu> I am more or less free. On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? > > Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in on > Metra so under > a mile from Union Station would be nice. > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From g at rrett.us.com Mon Jun 30 17:51:58 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:51:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <56644D2A-7DE3-44F0-81FC-95F33D90D04C@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Same here. I'd probably come into Ogilvie so loop would be ideal. ----- "Massimo Di Pierro" wrote: > I am more or less free. > > On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > > > Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? > > > > Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in on > > Metra so under > > a mile from Union Station would be nice. > > > > Carl K > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 18:02:15 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:02:15 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <56644D2A-7DE3-44F0-81FC-95F33D90D04C@cs.depaul.edu> <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: I'm assuming this was taking up Massimo on his beer offer? I'm up for it. However, 5 might be a little early as I would roll in from Evanston. Is 7 still an option? And ... did I just crash the party or was this an open invite? On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > Same here. I'd probably come into Ogilvie so loop would be ideal. > > > ----- "Massimo Di Pierro" wrote: > >> I am more or less free. >> >> On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >> > Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? >> > >> > Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in on >> > Metra so under >> > a mile from Union Station would be nice. >> > >> > Carl K >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From g at rrett.us.com Mon Jun 30 18:13:30 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:13:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1277278387.3812501214842410331.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> The gods designed burger and beers to be open to all, as far as I'm concerned :) ----- "Kumar McMillan" wrote: > I'm assuming this was taking up Massimo on his beer offer? I'm up > for > it. However, 5 might be a little early as I would roll in from > Evanston. Is 7 still an option? And ... did I just crash the party > or was this an open invite? > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Garrett Smith > wrote: > > Same here. I'd probably come into Ogilvie so loop would be ideal. > > > > > > ----- "Massimo Di Pierro" wrote: > > > >> I am more or less free. > >> > >> On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> > >> > Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? > >> > > >> > Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in > on > >> > Metra so under > >> > a mile from Union Station would be nice. > >> > > >> > Carl K > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Chicago mailing list > >> > Chicago at python.org > >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Mon Jun 30 18:30:47 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:30:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: References: <56644D2A-7DE3-44F0-81FC-95F33D90D04C@cs.depaul.edu> <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: Yes, the first pitcher is on me. I cannot at 5pm. I would prefer after 6pm. Let me know where. On Jun 30, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > I'm assuming this was taking up Massimo on his beer offer? I'm up for > it. However, 5 might be a little early as I would roll in from > Evanston. Is 7 still an option? And ... did I just crash the party > or was this an open invite? > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Garrett Smith > wrote: >> Same here. I'd probably come into Ogilvie so loop would be ideal. >> >> >> ----- "Massimo Di Pierro" wrote: >> >>> I am more or less free. >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >>> >>>> Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? >>>> >>>> Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in on >>>> Metra so under >>>> a mile from Union Station would be nice. >>>> >>>> Carl K >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From shekay at pobox.com Mon Jun 30 19:09:06 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:09:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <56644D2A-7DE3-44F0-81FC-95F33D90D04C@cs.depaul.edu> <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: Presidential Towers is catty-corner to Ogilvie, and it has a bar/burger joint called Allstars. It is not mind blowingly good, but close. West of here: Bar Louie, walking distance from Ogilvie, but for varying degrees of walk (might want to take a cab) is one place we've gone to after work. Walking distance, same disclaimer, Wishbone. I am more coffee than bar, so I don't have better suggestions. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > Same here. I'd probably come into Ogilvie so loop would be ideal. > > > ----- "Massimo Di Pierro" wrote: > >> I am more or less free. >> >> On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >> > Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? >> > >> > Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in on >> > Metra so under >> > a mile from Union Station would be nice. >> > >> > Carl K >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- sheila From shekay at pobox.com Mon Jun 30 19:09:46 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:09:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: References: <56644D2A-7DE3-44F0-81FC-95F33D90D04C@cs.depaul.edu> <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:09 PM, sheila miguez wrote: > Presidential Towers is catty-corner to Ogilvie, and it has a > bar/burger joint called Allstars. It is not mind blowingly good, but > close. arg. I mean close in the physical sense, not close in the sense of close to mind blowingly good. -- sheila From carl at personnelware.com Mon Jun 30 19:12:04 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:12:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <486913E4.1050900@personnelware.com> We are organized[1]! How does this sound: Bar Louie 741 W Randolph St, Chicago, IL 60661 from Ogilvie: one block north, one block west, which I think is quicker than google's idea: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=1000149492895981897,41.883160,-87.643465&saddr=41.88243,-87.644141&daddr=W+Washington+Blvd+%4041.883160,+-87.643465+to:741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=17&via=1&sll=41.88307,-87.64541&sspn=0.004377,0.008025&ie=UTF8&z=17 [1] "And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an organization." Carl K Garrett Smith wrote: > Same here. I'd probably come into Ogilvie so loop would be ideal. > > > ----- "Massimo Di Pierro" wrote: > >> I am more or less free. >> >> On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >>> Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? >>> >>> Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in on >>> Metra so under >>> a mile from Union Station would be nice. >>> >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Mon Jun 30 19:15:45 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:15:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: References: <56644D2A-7DE3-44F0-81FC-95F33D90D04C@cs.depaul.edu> <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <01994767-DDDA-466A-9D56-6C405B43656E@cs.depaul.edu> I'd for for the presidentail tower. The closer to Ogilvie the better for me. Massimo On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:09 PM, sheila miguez wrote: > Presidential Towers is catty-corner to Ogilvie, and it has a > bar/burger joint called Allstars. It is not mind blowingly good, but > close. > > West of here: Bar Louie, walking distance from Ogilvie, but for > varying degrees of walk (might want to take a cab) is one place we've > gone to after work. Walking distance, same disclaimer, Wishbone. > > I am more coffee than bar, so I don't have better suggestions. > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Garrett Smith > wrote: >> Same here. I'd probably come into Ogilvie so loop would be ideal. >> >> >> ----- "Massimo Di Pierro" wrote: >> >>> I am more or less free. >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >>> >>>> Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? >>>> >>>> Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in on >>>> Metra so under >>>> a mile from Union Station would be nice. >>>> >>>> Carl K >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > > -- > sheila > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Mon Jun 30 19:18:09 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:18:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <486913E4.1050900@personnelware.com> References: <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <486913E4.1050900@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <9732E52F-9843-418A-9D11-3F705FD72377@cs.depaul.edu> ok with me. On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > We are organized[1]! > > How does this sound: > > Bar Louie > 741 W Randolph St, Chicago, IL 60661 > > from Ogilvie: one block north, one block west, which I think is > quicker than > google's idea: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=1000149492895981897,41.883160,-87.643465&saddr=41.88243,-87.644141&daddr=W+Washington+Blvd+%4041.883160,+-87.643465+to:741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=17&via=1&sll=41.88307,-87.64541&sspn=0.004377,0.008025&ie=UTF8&z=17 > > > [1] "And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people > walking in > singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think > it's an > organization." > > Carl K > > Garrett Smith wrote: >> Same here. I'd probably come into Ogilvie so loop would be ideal. >> >> >> ----- "Massimo Di Pierro" wrote: >> >>> I am more or less free. >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >>> >>>> Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? >>>> >>>> Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in on >>>> Metra so under >>>> a mile from Union Station would be nice. >>>> >>>> Carl K >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chicago mailing list >>>> Chicago at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From fred at polgardy.com Mon Jun 30 19:25:40 2008 From: fred at polgardy.com (Frederick Polgardy) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:25:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <01994767-DDDA-466A-9D56-6C405B43656E@cs.depaul.edu> References: <56644D2A-7DE3-44F0-81FC-95F33D90D04C@cs.depaul.edu> <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <01994767-DDDA-466A-9D56-6C405B43656E@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <253b55880806301025q25f8019eg4fb141b456f741f8@mail.gmail.com> There's a nice pub called Dylan's about 1/2 block from Presidential Towers. (Happen to be about a block from there.) It's busy at lunch, but don't know how it is at dinner. http://www.centerstagechicago.com/venues/mappage.cfm?ID=9258 -Fred On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > I'd for for the presidentail tower. The closer to Ogilvie the better for > me. > > Massimo -- Science answers questions; philosophy questions answers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From invites at yaari.com Mon Jun 30 17:43:15 2008 From: invites at yaari.com (Brian Greenberg) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:43:15 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] Brian Greenberg sent you a Friend Request on Yaari Message-ID: Brian Greenberg wants you to join Yaari! Is Brian your friend? Yes, Brian is my friend! No, Brian isn't my friend. Please respond or Brian may think you said no :( Thanks, The Yaari Team ____ If you prefer not to receive this email tell us here. 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Massimo From cstejerean at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 19:28:44 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:28:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <9732E52F-9843-418A-9D11-3F705FD72377@cs.depaul.edu> References: <2026331766.3800061214841118134.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <486913E4.1050900@personnelware.com> <9732E52F-9843-418A-9D11-3F705FD72377@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <276266d0806301028t36e1526sf9428e82581fec27@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > ok with me. > > On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >> We are organized[1]! >> >> How does this sound: >> >> Bar Louie >> 741 W Randolph St, Chicago, IL 60661 >> >> from Ogilvie: one block north, one block west, which I think is quicker >> than >> google's idea: >> >> >> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=1000149492895981897,41.883160,-87.643465&saddr=41.88243,-87.644141&daddr=W+Washington+Blvd+%4041.883160,+-87.643465+to:741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=17&via=1&sll=41.88307,-87.64541&sspn=0.004377,0.008025&ie=UTF8&z=17 >> >> Actually Google seems to have the right idea about getting there http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=18397669456987226334,41.883049,-87.640769&saddr=Ogilvie+Transportation+Center+Station+%4041.883049,-87.640769&daddr=741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=cc&dirflg=r&sll=41.883533,-87.643851&sspn=0.004122,0.007778&ie=UTF8&z=17 -- Cosmin Stejerean http://blog.offbytwo.com From emperorcezar at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 19:47:44 2008 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:47:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] php -> web2py In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58a5f2220806301047y3bee3563mb88154fbc833ee7c@mail.gmail.com> What converts? On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > Just for fun... > > This converts PHP code into Python/web2py code (more or less, the idea is to > convert drupal themes). > > Massimo > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From g at rrett.us.com Mon Jun 30 19:54:59 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:54:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <276266d0806301028t36e1526sf9428e82581fec27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2058325217.3864891214848499790.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Since Bar Louie isn't *that* close to Ogilvie, I'd like to put forward Jefferson Tap as a better joint to hang out and drink beer in. It's actually a bit closer to the train station than Louie. http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&dq=jefferson+tap+loc:+Chicago,+IL&daddr=325+N+Jefferson+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661&geocode=5068642069020590215,41.887459,-87.642768&ll=41.887459,-87.642768&iwstate1=dir:to&iwloc=A&f=d ----- "Cosmin Stejerean" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Massimo Di Pierro > wrote: > > ok with me. > > > > On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > > > >> We are organized[1]! > >> > >> How does this sound: > >> > >> Bar Louie > >> 741 W Randolph St, Chicago, IL 60661 > >> > >> from Ogilvie: one block north, one block west, which I think is > quicker > >> than > >> google's idea: > >> > >> > >> > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=1000149492895981897,41.883160,-87.643465&saddr=41.88243,-87.644141&daddr=W+Washington+Blvd+%4041.883160,+-87.643465+to:741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=17&via=1&sll=41.88307,-87.64541&sspn=0.004377,0.008025&ie=UTF8&z=17 > >> > >> > > Actually Google seems to have the right idea about getting there > > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=18397669456987226334,41.883049,-87.640769&saddr=Ogilvie+Transportation+Center+Station+%4041.883049,-87.640769&daddr=741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=cc&dirflg=r&sll=41.883533,-87.643851&sspn=0.004122,0.007778&ie=UTF8&z=17 > > > -- > Cosmin Stejerean > http://blog.offbytwo.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From ianb at colorstudy.com Mon Jun 30 20:20:03 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:20:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] php -> web2py In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <486923D3.6010201@colorstudy.com> Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > Just for fun... > > This converts PHP code into Python/web2py code (more or less, the idea > is to convert drupal themes). I recently saw this, but don't know what to make of it: http://drupy.net/ It seems to put a lot of effort into reproducing the elegance of PHP in Python. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From carl at personnelware.com Mon Jun 30 20:27:52 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:27:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <2058325217.3864891214848499790.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <2058325217.3864891214848499790.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <486925A8.9030007@personnelware.com> I'm always up for a new place, and they have wifi, unlike Louie. But just to be sure I end up at the right place: 4 blocks north of Ogilvie, right? (as opposed to 1+1 blocks to Louie, which even taking into account block size still looks like about 1/2 the distance) Carl K Garrett Smith wrote: > Since Bar Louie isn't *that* close to Ogilvie, I'd like to put forward Jefferson Tap as a better joint to hang out and drink beer in. It's actually a bit closer to the train station than Louie. > > http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&dq=jefferson+tap+loc:+Chicago,+IL&daddr=325+N+Jefferson+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661&geocode=5068642069020590215,41.887459,-87.642768&ll=41.887459,-87.642768&iwstate1=dir:to&iwloc=A&f=d > > > ----- "Cosmin Stejerean" wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Massimo Di Pierro >> wrote: >>> ok with me. >>> >>> On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >>> >>>> We are organized[1]! >>>> >>>> How does this sound: >>>> >>>> Bar Louie >>>> 741 W Randolph St, Chicago, IL 60661 >>>> >>>> from Ogilvie: one block north, one block west, which I think is >> quicker >>>> than >>>> google's idea: >>>> >>>> >>>> >> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=1000149492895981897,41.883160,-87.643465&saddr=41.88243,-87.644141&daddr=W+Washington+Blvd+%4041.883160,+-87.643465+to:741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=17&via=1&sll=41.88307,-87.64541&sspn=0.004377,0.008025&ie=UTF8&z=17 >>>> >> Actually Google seems to have the right idea about getting there >> >> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=18397669456987226334,41.883049,-87.640769&saddr=Ogilvie+Transportation+Center+Station+%4041.883049,-87.640769&daddr=741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=cc&dirflg=r&sll=41.883533,-87.643851&sspn=0.004122,0.007778&ie=UTF8&z=17 >> >> >> -- >> Cosmin Stejerean >> http://blog.offbytwo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From g at rrett.us.com Mon Jun 30 20:45:49 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:45:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <486925A8.9030007@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <1519282432.3882141214851549325.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> It's north on Jefferson -- keep walking until you get just about to the end (before the tracks), turn right, and enter. Time? ----- "Carl Karsten" wrote: > I'm always up for a new place, and they have wifi, unlike Louie. > > But just to be sure I end up at the right place: 4 blocks north of > Ogilvie, > right? (as opposed to 1+1 blocks to Louie, which even taking into > account block > size still looks like about 1/2 the distance) > > Carl K > > Garrett Smith wrote: > > Since Bar Louie isn't *that* close to Ogilvie, I'd like to put > forward Jefferson Tap as a better joint to hang out and drink beer in. > It's actually a bit closer to the train station than Louie. > > > > > http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&dq=jefferson+tap+loc:+Chicago,+IL&daddr=325+N+Jefferson+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661&geocode=5068642069020590215,41.887459,-87.642768&ll=41.887459,-87.642768&iwstate1=dir:to&iwloc=A&f=d > > > > > > ----- "Cosmin Stejerean" wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Massimo Di Pierro > >> wrote: > >>> ok with me. > >>> > >>> On Jun 30, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > >>> > >>>> We are organized[1]! > >>>> > >>>> How does this sound: > >>>> > >>>> Bar Louie > >>>> 741 W Randolph St, Chicago, IL 60661 > >>>> > >>>> from Ogilvie: one block north, one block west, which I think is > >> quicker > >>>> than > >>>> google's idea: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=1000149492895981897,41.883160,-87.643465&saddr=41.88243,-87.644141&daddr=W+Washington+Blvd+%4041.883160,+-87.643465+to:741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=17&via=1&sll=41.88307,-87.64541&sspn=0.004377,0.008025&ie=UTF8&z=17 > >>>> > >> Actually Google seems to have the right idea about getting there > >> > >> > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=18397669456987226334,41.883049,-87.640769&saddr=Ogilvie+Transportation+Center+Station+%4041.883049,-87.640769&daddr=741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=cc&dirflg=r&sll=41.883533,-87.643851&sspn=0.004122,0.007778&ie=UTF8&z=17 > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cosmin Stejerean > >> http://blog.offbytwo.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Mon Jun 30 21:08:13 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] php -> web2py In-Reply-To: <486923D3.6010201@colorstudy.com> References: <486923D3.6010201@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <8A44B8A1-72BD-40F7-91D6-DC742A4B0BE6@cs.depaul.edu> Thanks Ian, this has the missing pieces I need to convert Drupal themes into KPAX themes. Massimo On Jun 30, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > Massimo Di Pierro wrote: >> Just for fun... >> >> This converts PHP code into Python/web2py code (more or less, the >> idea >> is to convert drupal themes). > > I recently saw this, but don't know what to make of it: http://drupy.net/ > > It seems to put a lot of effort into reproducing the elegance of PHP > in > Python. > > -- > Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From cstejerean at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 21:19:39 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:19:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <486925A8.9030007@personnelware.com> References: <2058325217.3864891214848499790.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <486925A8.9030007@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <276266d0806301219v37c0d434od01644e9fab190cf@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: > I'm always up for a new place, and they have wifi, unlike Louie. > > But just to be sure I end up at the right place: 4 blocks north of Ogilvie, > right? (as opposed to 1+1 blocks to Louie, which even taking into account > block size still looks like about 1/2 the distance) > > Carl K How did you get 1+1 blocks? IIRC the main Ogilvie entrance is on Madison by Clinton and Google Maps places Bar Louie on Randolph by Halstead. -- Cosmin Stejerean http://blog.offbytwo.com From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 21:31:14 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:31:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <276266d0806301219v37c0d434od01644e9fab190cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <2058325217.3864891214848499790.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <486925A8.9030007@personnelware.com> <276266d0806301219v37c0d434od01644e9fab190cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Since there are now more suggestions for places to go than there are people attending, I nominate Garrett as Benevolent Dictator of Beer And Burgers On Monday June 30th and thus his suggestion wins: Jefferson Tap 325 N. Jefferson 312 - 648 - 0100 http://www.jeffersontap.com/ http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=325+N+Jefferson+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Jefferson+Tap+%26amp%3B+Grill)&geocode=5870151168168153826,41.887459,-87.642768&dirflg=&saddr=ogilvie+station,+Chicago,+IL&f=d&dq=jefferson+tap+loc:+Chicago,+IL&sll=41.887459,-87.642768&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&cid=41887459,-87642768,11297556182779756241&ie=UTF8&ll=41.885306,-87.641308&spn=0.005056,0.008422&z=17 (if you forget that those are driving directions, you can just start at Ogilvie walk east 1 block, north 3 blocks, and you are there) see you all there at 7pm? Actually I might be a little late, 7:30ish, so don't wait up. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> I'm always up for a new place, and they have wifi, unlike Louie. >> >> But just to be sure I end up at the right place: 4 blocks north of Ogilvie, >> right? (as opposed to 1+1 blocks to Louie, which even taking into account >> block size still looks like about 1/2 the distance) >> >> Carl K > > How did you get 1+1 blocks? IIRC the main Ogilvie entrance is on > Madison by Clinton and Google Maps places Bar Louie on Randolph by > Halstead. > > -- > Cosmin Stejerean > http://blog.offbytwo.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Mon Jun 30 21:42:39 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:42:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: References: <2058325217.3864891214848499790.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <486925A8.9030007@personnelware.com> <276266d0806301219v37c0d434od01644e9fab190cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65FCB349-0302-497B-A9E0-16F67D61201E@cs.depaul.edu> Fine with me. 7pm. Massimo On Jun 30, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > Since there are now more suggestions for places to go than there are > people attending, I nominate Garrett as Benevolent Dictator of Beer > And Burgers On Monday June 30th and thus his suggestion wins: > > Jefferson Tap > 325 N. Jefferson > 312 - 648 - 0100 > http://www.jeffersontap.com/ > > http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=325+N+Jefferson+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Jefferson+Tap+%26amp%3B+Grill)&geocode=5870151168168153826,41.887459,-87.642768&dirflg=&saddr=ogilvie+station,+Chicago,+IL&f=d&dq=jefferson+tap+loc:+Chicago,+IL&sll=41.887459,-87.642768&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&cid=41887459,-87642768,11297556182779756241&ie=UTF8&ll=41.885306,-87.641308&spn=0.005056,0.008422&z=17 > (if you forget that those are driving directions, you can just start > at Ogilvie walk east 1 block, north 3 blocks, and you are there) > > see you all there at 7pm? Actually I might be a little late, 7:30ish, > so don't wait up. > > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Cosmin Stejerean > wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Carl Karsten >> wrote: >>> I'm always up for a new place, and they have wifi, unlike Louie. >>> >>> But just to be sure I end up at the right place: 4 blocks north of >>> Ogilvie, >>> right? (as opposed to 1+1 blocks to Louie, which even taking into >>> account >>> block size still looks like about 1/2 the distance) >>> >>> Carl K >> >> How did you get 1+1 blocks? IIRC the main Ogilvie entrance is on >> Madison by Clinton and Google Maps places Bar Louie on Randolph by >> Halstead. >> >> -- >> Cosmin Stejerean >> http://blog.offbytwo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From carl at personnelware.com Mon Jun 30 21:50:30 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:50:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <65FCB349-0302-497B-A9E0-16F67D61201E@cs.depaul.edu> References: <2058325217.3864891214848499790.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <486925A8.9030007@personnelware.com> <276266d0806301219v37c0d434od01644e9fab190cf@mail.gmail.com> <65FCB349-0302-497B-A9E0-16F67D61201E@cs.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <48693906.10003@personnelware.com> I'll be on Metra 2140 gets to Chicago Union Sta at 4:18. Carl K Massimo Di Pierro wrote: > Fine with me. 7pm. > > Massimo > > On Jun 30, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > >> Since there are now more suggestions for places to go than there are >> people attending, I nominate Garrett as Benevolent Dictator of Beer >> And Burgers On Monday June 30th and thus his suggestion wins: >> >> Jefferson Tap >> 325 N. Jefferson >> 312 - 648 - 0100 >> http://www.jeffersontap.com/ >> >> http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=325+N+Jefferson+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Jefferson+Tap+%26amp%3B+Grill)&geocode=5870151168168153826,41.887459,-87.642768&dirflg=&saddr=ogilvie+station,+Chicago,+IL&f=d&dq=jefferson+tap+loc:+Chicago,+IL&sll=41.887459,-87.642768&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&cid=41887459,-87642768,11297556182779756241&ie=UTF8&ll=41.885306,-87.641308&spn=0.005056,0.008422&z=17 >> >> (if you forget that those are driving directions, you can just start >> at Ogilvie walk east 1 block, north 3 blocks, and you are there) >> >> see you all there at 7pm? Actually I might be a little late, 7:30ish, >> so don't wait up. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Cosmin Stejerean >> wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Carl Karsten >>> wrote: >>>> I'm always up for a new place, and they have wifi, unlike Louie. >>>> >>>> But just to be sure I end up at the right place: 4 blocks north of >>>> Ogilvie, >>>> right? (as opposed to 1+1 blocks to Louie, which even taking into >>>> account >>>> block size still looks like about 1/2 the distance) >>>> >>>> Carl K >>> >>> How did you get 1+1 blocks? IIRC the main Ogilvie entrance is on >>> Madison by Clinton and Google Maps places Bar Louie on Randolph by >>> Halstead. >>> >>> -- >>> Cosmin Stejerean >>> http://blog.offbytwo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 22:01:15 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:01:15 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] php -> web2py In-Reply-To: <486923D3.6010201@colorstudy.com> References: <486923D3.6010201@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > It seems to put a lot of effort into reproducing the elegance of PHP in > Python. man, whenever developers port something from PHP to Python it really cracks me up. I remember when I first saw http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/adodb-py-docs.htm . I felt sorry for the guy and wanted to tell him about this thing called dbapi, built into Python. It looks like someone finally told him since he now has a disclaimer on the site (but that wasn't there originally). What's even funnier is his disclaimer points out a way of unifying select limits with SelectLimit but then in the list of supported databases there is a note in each one about the differences in how SelectLimit works. From carl at personnelware.com Mon Jun 30 22:02:32 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:02:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <276266d0806301219v37c0d434od01644e9fab190cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <2058325217.3864891214848499790.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <486925A8.9030007@personnelware.com> <276266d0806301219v37c0d434od01644e9fab190cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48693BD8.3000005@personnelware.com> Cosmin Stejerean wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> I'm always up for a new place, and they have wifi, unlike Louie. >> >> But just to be sure I end up at the right place: 4 blocks north of Ogilvie, >> right? (as opposed to 1+1 blocks to Louie, which even taking into account >> block size still looks like about 1/2 the distance) >> >> Carl K > > How did you get 1+1 blocks? by starting at the nw corner of Washington and Desplaines, which isn't Ogilvie... doh. still think it is closer, but not by much. Carl K From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Mon Jun 30 22:07:12 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:07:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] php -> web2py In-Reply-To: References: <486923D3.6010201@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <66678036-A522-4110-A08E-0C6306F3C8CD@cs.depaul.edu> LOL I agree. All I am trying to do is convert drupal templates. On Jun 30, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Ian Bicking > wrote: >> It seems to put a lot of effort into reproducing the elegance of >> PHP in >> Python. > > man, whenever developers port something from PHP to Python it really > cracks me up. I remember when I first saw > http://phplens.com/lens/adodb/adodb-py-docs.htm . I felt sorry for > the guy and wanted to tell him about this thing called dbapi, built > into Python. It looks like someone finally told him since he now has > a disclaimer on the site (but that wasn't there originally). What's > even funnier is his disclaimer points out a way of unifying select > limits with SelectLimit but then in the list of supported databases > there is a note in each one about the differences in how SelectLimit > works. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From korpios at korpios.com Mon Jun 30 23:11:47 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:11:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: References: <2058325217.3864891214848499790.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <486925A8.9030007@personnelware.com> <276266d0806301219v37c0d434od01644e9fab190cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > Since there are now more suggestions for places to go than there are > people attending, I nominate Garrett as Benevolent Dictator of Beer > And Burgers On Monday June 30th and thus his suggestion wins: > > Jefferson Tap > 325 N. Jefferson > 312 - 648 - 0100 > http://www.jeffersontap.com/ Oh, gah. You've gotta do this on my wife's birthday, eh? ^_^ Have fun! From shekay at pobox.com Mon Jun 30 23:11:58 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:11:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: References: <2058325217.3864891214848499790.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <486925A8.9030007@personnelware.com> <276266d0806301219v37c0d434od01644e9fab190cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > see you all there at 7pm? Actually I might be a little late, 7:30ish, > so don't wait up. I may make it depending on work. I'm glad everyone spoke up with suggestions. -- sheila From g at rrett.us.com Mon Jun 30 23:23:58 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:23:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <639729864.3968041214861038071.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> I'm sure she'll understand if you step out -- it's just for the evening. :p ----- "Tom Tobin" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Kumar McMillan > wrote: > > Since there are now more suggestions for places to go than there > are > > people attending, I nominate Garrett as Benevolent Dictator of Beer > > And Burgers On Monday June 30th and thus his suggestion wins: > > > > Jefferson Tap > > 325 N. Jefferson > > 312 - 648 - 0100 > > http://www.jeffersontap.com/ > > Oh, gah. You've gotta do this on my wife's birthday, eh? ^_^ Have > fun! > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From warren.lindsey at gmail.com Mon Jun 30 23:26:29 2008 From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:26:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers Message-ID: <48694f99.4ee9220a.4029.2b51@mx.google.com> Ok since we've reached out beyond the loop but still within walking distance, I'd like to nominate Caf? ciao on Madison. They cater to both coffee and beer, have free wifi, and would be open to hosting events. Short 15min walk from loop or take the #20 madison bus. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Karsten Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:12 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers We are organized[1]! How does this sound: Bar Louie 741 W Randolph St, Chicago, IL 60661 from Ogilvie: one block north, one block west, which I think is quicker than google's idea: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=1000149492895981897,41.883160,-87.643465&saddr=41.88243,-87.644141&daddr=W+Washington+Blvd+%4041.883160,+-87.643465+to:741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=17&via=1&sll=41.88307,-87.64541&sspn=0.004377,0.008025&ie=UTF8&z=17 [1] "And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an organization." Carl K Garrett Smith wrote: > Same here. I'd probably come into Ogilvie so loop would be ideal. > > > ----- "Massimo Di Pierro" wrote: > >> I am more or less free. >> >> On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >> >>> Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? >>> >>> Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. I'll be coming in on >>> Metra so under >>> a mile from Union Station would be nice. >>> >>> Carl K >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chicago mailing list >>> Chicago at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Mon Jun 30 23:38:16 2008 From: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu (Massimo Di Pierro) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:38:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers In-Reply-To: <48694f99.4ee9220a.4029.2b51@mx.google.com> References: <48694f99.4ee9220a.4029.2b51@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00C43F62-2B75-41F9-A7AA-15E9F81C76BD@cs.depaul.edu> Now I understand why some software projects never reach 1.0..... I think we had a motion on the table: > Jefferson Tap > 325 N. Jefferson > 312 - 648 - 0100 > http://www.jeffersontap.com/ All in favor? opposed? abstained? No other suggestions until this is voted out. I am for. Massimo On Jun 30, 2008, at 4:26 PM, Warren Lindsey wrote: > Ok since we've reached out beyond the loop but still within walking > distance, I'd like to nominate Caf? ciao on Madison. They cater to > both coffee and beer, have free wifi, and would be open to hosting > events. Short 15min walk from loop or take the #20 madison bus. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl Karsten > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:12 PM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] chipy burger and beers > > We are organized[1]! > > How does this sound: > > Bar Louie > 741 W Randolph St, Chicago, IL 60661 > > from Ogilvie: one block north, one block west, which I think is > quicker than > google's idea: > > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=1000149492895981897,41.883160,-87.643465&saddr=41.88243,-87.644141&daddr=W+Washington+Blvd+%4041.883160,+-87.643465+to:741+W+Randolph+St,+Chicago,+IL+60661+(Bar+Louie)&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=17&via=1&sll=41.88307,-87.64541&sspn=0.004377,0.008025&ie=UTF8&z=17 > > > [1] "And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people > walking in > singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think > it's an > organization." > > Carl K > > Garrett Smith wrote: >> Same here. I'd probably come into Ogilvie so loop would be ideal. >> >> >> ----- "Massimo Di Pierro" wrote: >> >>> I am more or less free. >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:55 PM, Carl Karsten wrote: >>> >>>> Massimo, Garrett - you guys free Monday evening? >>>> >>>> Any reason to wait till 7? 5 works for me. 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