[Chicago] web2py 1.20 is out

[Feihong Hsu]

There is no right framework for every need. I do get the feeling that
maybe what you are looking for is a "full-stack" framework like
TurboGears. Of the various Python web frameworks, TurboGears comes
closest to addressing everything from backend to frontend. Google
around for a screencast that shows how to use TurboGears in
conjunction with Adobe Flex. Unfortunately, there isn't any special
integration between the two, it's just the two frameworks
communicating via JSON. However, adding JSON support for a controller
method in TurboGears is super trivial (just put @expose("json") on
top of the method).

Personally, I think that every Python web programmer should try
making their own web framework. Not because it's a "cool" thing to
do, but because it helps you understand the design decisions. With
this knowledge you are better prepared to evaluate the tradeoffs that
each framework makes. And really, it's not so hard to build your
framework, if you start off from something like Paste (which is like
a framework for making frameworks). I should mention that the cool
web-based debugger in Pylons actually comes from Paste, and you can
use it in any framework built on top of Paste.

I made a crappy framework a long time ago, but after doing some
programming in Django and Pylons, I feel ready to start working on my
second one. I'm not even going to bother with an ORM, I'm just going
to use CouchDB for the database ;-)


--- Daniel Griffin <dgriff1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am also confused. There seems to be 2 types of framework, the
> opinionated
> holier than thou kind(Ruby on Rails, Django) and the super
> flexible,
> everything to everybody kind like Pylons.
> 
> The one thing I dont really understand is constantly re-writing
> pieces like
> ORM or template languages. I have been using Pylons(with varying
> success)
> which leans slightly towards SQLAlchemy and Mako, but will also
> work with
> SQLObject, DBapi, Kid, Myghty and a slew of other things, which is
> nice but
> also very confusing since the documentation is rough and packed
> with side
> notes. I would really like Prof. Di Pierro's input on this and why
> he went
> the way he did with web2py.
> 
> I still havent found a framework that is easy to use for me, namely
> flexible
> ORM(support for multiple databases, composite keys) and easy
> presentation
> using Ext, Prototype etc. Pylons really falls down when it comes to
> presentation, I want quick and easy forms and Pylons hasnt really
> delivered.
> 
> I have been trying to solve a much larger problem than any of these
> frameworks really prepares me for, namely working with creating a
> web
> front-end to a mature piece of enterprise software. Pylons has
> given me the
> most hope so far, but I think I am still going to end up writing a
> ton of
> boilerplate code.
> 
> Sorry if this is a bit of a rant and I dont mean to be rude to
> Prof. Di
> Pierro, I am just struggling to figure out which way is the right
> way.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On Feb 4, 2008 9:07 PM, Jon Sudlow <jsudlow at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > With all these frameworks out, which one should you use. I'm
> swamped with
> > Django, Ruby on Rails, Turbo Gears, Zope/Plone, when does it
> end???
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions or experience to argue one
> framework over
> > another?
> >
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2008 8:27 PM, Massimo Di Pierro
> <mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > web2py 1.20 is out.
> > >
> > >       www.web2py.com
> > >
> > > New features include the inclusion of a web based testing
> framework -
> > > a screenshot is here:
> > >
> > >       http://web2py.googlegroups.com/web/test.tiff
> > >
> > > pyamf howto, rest support, handler for lighttpd/fcgi, WIKI
> helper,
> > > etc. AND it is always backward compatible.
> > >
> > > The source code is also on
> > >
> > >      code.google.com/p/web2py
> > >
> > > Here are a dozen of ready made applications which you can
> install
> > > from the web interface.
> > >
> > >     http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/appliances
> > >
> > > Massimo
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