From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 17:59:33 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:59:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Djangocon registration Message-ID: The Djangocon (free) is opening the second batch of registration spots in about an hour (unless I am confused about daylight savings. I hate time): http://djangocon.org/register/ Apologies to those who wanted this to remain a secret ;) I'm probably not going to the conf myself so I thought I'd spill the beans. From jcheng8 at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 20:06:28 2008 From: jcheng8 at gmail.com (Junsheng Cheng) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:06:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Djangocon registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f668c9a0808011106w35a91057rbe1dfe15546a59a7@mail.gmail.com> Thanks alot, Kumar, I just booked one :) Anyone will be going? On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > The Djangocon (free) is opening the second batch of registration spots > in about an hour (unless I am confused about daylight savings. I hate > time): > http://djangocon.org/register/ > > Apologies to those who wanted this to remain a secret ;) I'm probably > not going to the conf myself so I thought I'd spill the beans. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at hostedlabs.com Tue Aug 5 15:06:51 2008 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:06:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp Chicago Aug 15th Message-ID: <4898506B.6030801@hostedlabs.com> Hey Everyone, BARcamp Chicago 2008 is coming up in a week and a half! The weekend of Aug 15th at 1240 W. Harrison St (UIC area). Wow, time flies. Its being held at the Innovation Center at UIC which is this cool new space for tech commercialization projects. I posted a couple of snapshots on the wiki: http://barcampchicago.com/WherePage Sean Johnson is working on the Food and I know its going to be impossible, but we'd like to try and estimate the amount. Can people either reply to me or add their name to the wiki? http://barcampchicago.com/AttendeeList -or- barcamp-subscribe at corp.hostedlabs.com One of the really cool events happening at BARcamp this year is an Erlang workshop being given by Martin Logan and Erlang User group team. If you dont know about Erlang, its a very cool Functional language thats good for distributed computing. Martin and others at Orbitz are putting some Erlang code into production and they have an open source project that they are putting out I believe. As with every year, we have lots of cool talks lined up and I expect a lot more to develop over the weekend. The Chicago LUG is donating a keg, like the previous years and the organizers have been working like crazy. Its coming together despite my being a disorganized slacker ;-) CALL FOR HELP: 1) RSVP in some form or fashion, (call me, email, join the list, add to wiki). Need to size catering. 2) Get your company to participate, sposnor, bring schwag, give a talk about technology you are using or building. 3) Give a talk. 4) Spread the word. Also note: Social Dev Camp is coming up this weekend, at IIT. Check it out: http://barcamp.pbwiki.com/SocialDevCampChicago Thats it for now. Looking forward to seeing you all next weekend! -jason jason at hostedlabs.com 847.208.1000 From clintecker at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 19:53:52 2008 From: clintecker at gmail.com (Clint Ecker) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:53:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Django/Web developer job opening downtown Message-ID: <63a0f2c50808071053s511bee85s8c8fec3948a15038@mail.gmail.com> Hey guys, sorry for the job spam ;) I'm leaving my current position to work for a friend's company and my old employer here in Chicago needs to fill the position with an all-around web developer that has some experience building and maintaining Django stuff. You'd be working on Django sites I built along with other client's projects that may or may not be implemented in PHP or other languages/frameworks/CMS' (we try not to build too much from scratch). I can attest to the awesomeness of the people who work here (3-4 in Chicago, 20-30 in the home office in Arkansas) and the locaton (about a block from the Merchandise Mart). It's a small team of really smart developers; everyone is really passionate about what they do. Here's the job listing: http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/web/785114211.html Clint -- Clint Ecker -- http://blog.clintecker.com c: 312.863.9323 --- twitter: clint skype: clintology AIM: clintecker Gtalk: clintecker at gmail.com From korpios at korpios.com Sun Aug 10 01:44:29 2008 From: korpios at korpios.com (Tom Tobin) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:44:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Django/Web developer job opening downtown In-Reply-To: <63a0f2c50808071053s511bee85s8c8fec3948a15038@mail.gmail.com> References: <63a0f2c50808071053s511bee85s8c8fec3948a15038@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Clint Ecker wrote: > I'm leaving my current position to work for a friend's company and my > old employer here in Chicago needs to fill the position with an > all-around web developer that has some experience building and > maintaining Django stuff. A couple of other places to try, too: http://djangogigs.com/ (this is where I found my current position with The Onion) http://groups.google.com/group/django-chicago (a mailing list I run for a monthly Django group in Chicago) It makes me feel warm and fuzzy to see the Django job market taking off. ^_^ From maney at two14.net Mon Aug 11 07:29:45 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:29:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? Message-ID: <20080811052945.GB28840@furrr.two14.net> Either I've fallen off the list or no one's asking about this week's hypothetical meeting. Or is everyone on vacation and don't care? :-) kthxbai! -- I must say I find television very educational. The minute somebody turns it on, I go to the library and read a good book. -- Groucho Marx From carl at personnelware.com Mon Aug 11 17:32:43 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? In-Reply-To: <20080811052945.GB28840@furrr.two14.net> References: <20080811052945.GB28840@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <48A05B9B.1040704@personnelware.com> Jason Rexilius wrote: > > FYI, our new office space (the Old Electronic Arts building.. super pimp) > will always be available for meetings. We are supposed to be moving in > middle of July. > Jason - this offer good? ----- Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > Also, I was thinking of giving some stupid little topic on either > PyGTK or Gstreamer. Maybe both? Maybe its too much to give a talk on > combining both. Anyone have an interest in one or both of those > topics? There was plenty of interest in these - up for talking? Carl K From cwebber at dustycloud.org Mon Aug 11 19:49:59 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:49:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? In-Reply-To: <48A05B9B.1040704@personnelware.com> (Carl Karsten's message of "Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:32:43 -0500") References: <20080811052945.GB28840@furrr.two14.net> <48A05B9B.1040704@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <86bpzzv3ug.fsf@dustycloud.org> Carl Karsten writes: > Jason Rexilius wrote: >> >> FYI, our new office space (the Old Electronic Arts building.. super pimp) >> will always be available for meetings. We are supposed to be moving in >> middle of July. >> > > Jason - this offer good? > Er, I did already offer to host at Imaginary Landscape, but we'll probably be lower on space than other places. If people would rather be hosted elsewhere that's fine. It doesn't really matter to me. > > ----- Christopher Allan Webber wrote: >> Also, I was thinking of giving some stupid little topic on either >> PyGTK or Gstreamer. Maybe both? Maybe its too much to give a talk on >> combining both. Anyone have an interest in one or both of those >> topics? > > There was plenty of interest in these - up for talking? > I am up for talking, since I already volunteered, but it's on a different subject... see my previous email: I wrote: > If the group is at its usual size (~15 people) we can host here at > Imaginary Landscape. We'll just have to push aside the desks and > project against the wall. :) > > Also, count us in for a talk too. We have a bunch of Django pluggables > we've been planning on open open sourcing for Django for a while, > including: > > - An extensible Captcha system (integrates nicely with newforms, can > even easily integrate your own captcha renderers, like an audio > renderer) > - an "assets" system > - a cron system (what it sounds like, schedule for certain tasks to go > off at certain times (with recurrence support), easily pushed from > your python code) > - a config system > - regex and python method template tags... yes, we're evil. > > Address: > Imaginary Landscape > 5121 N Ravenswood Av > Chicago IL 60640 > > As long as we're close to our usual size (ie, not Google megameeting > size), I think we'll be fine doing it here. > > Sound okay? From carl at personnelware.com Mon Aug 11 20:32:30 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? In-Reply-To: <86bpzzv3ug.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <20080811052945.GB28840@furrr.two14.net> <48A05B9B.1040704@personnelware.com> <86bpzzv3ug.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <48A085BE.5000205@personnelware.com> Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > Carl Karsten writes: > >> Jason Rexilius wrote: >>> FYI, our new office space (the Old Electronic Arts building.. super pimp) >>> will always be available for meetings. We are supposed to be moving in >>> middle of July. >>> >> Jason - this offer good? >> > > Er, I did already offer to host at Imaginary Landscape, but we'll > probably be lower on space than other places. If people would rather be > hosted elsewhere that's fine. It doesn't really matter to me. > >> ----- Christopher Allan Webber wrote: >>> Also, I was thinking of giving some stupid little topic on either >>> PyGTK or Gstreamer. Maybe both? Maybe its too much to give a talk on >>> combining both. Anyone have an interest in one or both of those >>> topics? >> There was plenty of interest in these - up for talking? >> > > I am up for talking, since I already volunteered, but it's on a > different subject... see my previous email: > > I wrote: >> If the group is at its usual size (~15 people) we can host here at >> Imaginary Landscape. We'll just have to push aside the desks and >> project against the wall. :) >> >> Also, count us in for a talk too. We have a bunch of Django pluggables >> we've been planning on open open sourcing for Django for a while, >> including: >> >> - An extensible Captcha system (integrates nicely with newforms, can >> even easily integrate your own captcha renderers, like an audio >> renderer) >> - an "assets" system >> - a cron system (what it sounds like, schedule for certain tasks to go >> off at certain times (with recurrence support), easily pushed from >> your python code) >> - a config system >> - regex and python method template tags... yes, we're evil. >> >> Address: >> Imaginary Landscape >> 5121 N Ravenswood Av >> Chicago IL 60640 >> >> As long as we're close to our usual size (ie, not Google megameeting >> size), I think we'll be fine doing it here. >> >> Sound okay? Sounds good to me. Any objections? I think tonight we should feed this into the new meeting notice distribution machine. which is currently vaporware, and like most things will be done using various manual and error prone procedures. maybe next month we can create a complete disaster using some sort of program. Carl K From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 21:29:17 2008 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? In-Reply-To: <48A085BE.5000205@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <592739.43535.qm@web34806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I created a Facebook event for this and sent out invitations to all the members of the ChiPy Facebook group. Of course I did it manually, but I plan to talk a little on Thursday about how we might use the Facebook API to automate this in the future. --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Carl Karsten wrote: From: Carl Karsten Subject: Re: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 1:32 PM Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > Carl Karsten writes: > >> Jason Rexilius wrote: >>> FYI, our new office space (the Old Electronic Arts building.. super pimp) >>> will always be available for meetings. We are supposed to be moving in >>> middle of July. >>> >> Jason - this offer good? >> > > Er, I did already offer to host at Imaginary Landscape, but we'll > probably be lower on space than other places. If people would rather be > hosted elsewhere that's fine. It doesn't really matter to me. > >> ----- Christopher Allan Webber wrote: >>> Also, I was thinking of giving some stupid little topic on either >>> PyGTK or Gstreamer. Maybe both? Maybe its too much to give a talk on >>> combining both. Anyone have an interest in one or both of those >>> topics? >> There was plenty of interest in these - up for talking? >> > > I am up for talking, since I already volunteered, but it's on a > different subject... see my previous email: > > I wrote: >> If the group is at its usual size (~15 people) we can host here at >> Imaginary Landscape. We'll just have to push aside the desks and >> project against the wall. :) >> >> Also, count us in for a talk too. We have a bunch of Django pluggables >> we've been planning on open open sourcing for Django for a while, >> including: >> >> - An extensible Captcha system (integrates nicely with newforms, can >> even easily integrate your own captcha renderers, like an audio >> renderer) >> - an "assets" system >> - a cron system (what it sounds like, schedule for certain tasks to go >> off at certain times (with recurrence support), easily pushed from >> your python code) >> - a config system >> - regex and python method template tags... yes, we're evil. >> >> Address: >> Imaginary Landscape >> 5121 N Ravenswood Av >> Chicago IL 60640 >> >> As long as we're close to our usual size (ie, not Google megameeting >> size), I think we'll be fine doing it here. >> >> Sound okay? Sounds good to me. Any objections? I think tonight we should feed this into the new meeting notice distribution machine. which is currently vaporware, and like most things will be done using various manual and error prone procedures. maybe next month we can create a complete disaster using some sort of program. Carl K _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maney at two14.net Mon Aug 11 22:25:01 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:25:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? In-Reply-To: <48A085BE.5000205@personnelware.com> References: <20080811052945.GB28840@furrr.two14.net> <48A05B9B.1040704@personnelware.com> <86bpzzv3ug.fsf@dustycloud.org> <48A085BE.5000205@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <20080811202501.GA32334@furrr.two14.net> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 01:32:30PM -0500, Carl Karsten wrote: > I think tonight we should feed this into the new meeting notice > distribution machine. which is currently vaporware, and like most things > will be done using various manual and error prone procedures. maybe next > month we can create a complete disaster using some sort of program. To err is human; to really foul things up, you need a computer. -- There is a germ of religion in human nature so strong that whenever an order of men can persuade the people by flattery or terror that they have salvation at their disposal,there can be no end to fraud, violence, and usurpation. -- John Adams From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 22:28:49 2008 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? In-Reply-To: <48A085BE.5000205@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <660536.56207.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I tried to update the ChiPy wiki with meeting info for Imaginary Landscape but got a weird error. Maybe it's just me? --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Carl Karsten wrote: From: Carl Karsten Subject: Re: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 1:32 PM Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > Carl Karsten writes: > >> Jason Rexilius wrote: >>> FYI, our new office space (the Old Electronic Arts building.. super pimp) >>> will always be available for meetings. We are supposed to be moving in >>> middle of July. >>> >> Jason - this offer good? >> > > Er, I did already offer to host at Imaginary Landscape, but we'll > probably be lower on space than other places. If people would rather be > hosted elsewhere that's fine. It doesn't really matter to me. > >> ----- Christopher Allan Webber wrote: >>> Also, I was thinking of giving some stupid little topic on either >>> PyGTK or Gstreamer. Maybe both? Maybe its too much to give a talk on >>> combining both. Anyone have an interest in one or both of those >>> topics? >> There was plenty of interest in these - up for talking? >> > > I am up for talking, since I already volunteered, but it's on a > different subject... see my previous email: > > I wrote: >> If the group is at its usual size (~15 people) we can host here at >> Imaginary Landscape. We'll just have to push aside the desks and >> project against the wall. :) >> >> Also, count us in for a talk too. We have a bunch of Django pluggables >> we've been planning on open open sourcing for Django for a while, >> including: >> >> - An extensible Captcha system (integrates nicely with newforms, can >> even easily integrate your own captcha renderers, like an audio >> renderer) >> - an "assets" system >> - a cron system (what it sounds like, schedule for certain tasks to go >> off at certain times (with recurrence support), easily pushed from >> your python code) >> - a config system >> - regex and python method template tags... yes, we're evil. >> >> Address: >> Imaginary Landscape >> 5121 N Ravenswood Av >> Chicago IL 60640 >> >> As long as we're close to our usual size (ie, not Google megameeting >> size), I think we'll be fine doing it here. >> >> Sound okay? Sounds good to me. Any objections? I think tonight we should feed this into the new meeting notice distribution machine. which is currently vaporware, and like most things will be done using various manual and error prone procedures. maybe next month we can create a complete disaster using some sort of program. Carl K _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwebber at dustycloud.org Tue Aug 12 20:25:13 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:25:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? In-Reply-To: <660536.56207.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (Feihong Hsu's message of "Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:28:49 -0700 (PDT)") References: <660536.56207.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86od3yt7jq.fsf@dustycloud.org> I'm having similar problems. Getting the error: /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/wikiaction.py in do_edit(pagename=u'FrontPage', request=) 498 msg = _('You are not allowed to edit this page.')) 499 return 500 from MoinMoin.PageEditor import PageEditor 501 PageEditor(request, pagename).sendEditor() 502 MoinMoin undefined, PageEditor undefined Feihong Hsu writes: > I tried to update the ChiPy wiki with meeting info for Imaginary > Landscape but got a weird error. Maybe it's just me? From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 20:29:20 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:29:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? In-Reply-To: <86od3yt7jq.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <660536.56207.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <86od3yt7jq.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: I blame Carl and his "disaster" program On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > I'm having similar problems. Getting the error: > > /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/wikiaction.py in > do_edit(pagename=u'FrontPage', request= object>) > 498 msg = _('You are not allowed to edit this page.')) > 499 return > 500 from MoinMoin.PageEditor import PageEditor > 501 PageEditor(request, pagename).sendEditor() > 502 > MoinMoin undefined, PageEditor undefined > > Feihong Hsu writes: > >> I tried to update the ChiPy wiki with meeting info for Imaginary >> Landscape but got a weird error. Maybe it's just me? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From cwebber at dustycloud.org Tue Aug 12 20:38:39 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:38:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? In-Reply-To: (Kumar McMillan's message of "Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:29:20 -0500") References: <660536.56207.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <86od3yt7jq.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <86zlnirscw.fsf@dustycloud.org> Guess we'd better sound off the Facebook, Meetup, MySpace, Friendster and Google Groups notifications! "Kumar McMillan" writes: > I blame Carl and his "disaster" program > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Christopher Allan Webber > wrote: >> I'm having similar problems. Getting the error: >> >> /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MoinMoin/wikiaction.py in >> do_edit(pagename=u'FrontPage', request=> object>) >> 498 msg = _('You are not allowed to edit this page.')) >> 499 return >> 500 from MoinMoin.PageEditor import PageEditor >> 501 PageEditor(request, pagename).sendEditor() >> 502 >> MoinMoin undefined, PageEditor undefined >> >> Feihong Hsu writes: >> >>> I tried to update the ChiPy wiki with meeting info for Imaginary >>> Landscape but got a weird error. Maybe it's just me? >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From bray at sent.com Wed Aug 13 05:15:10 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:15:10 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] It's Monday. Is there going to be a great meeting? In-Reply-To: References: <660536.56207.qm@web34801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <86od3yt7jq.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: On Aug 12, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > I blame Carl and his "disaster" program > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Christopher Allan Webber > wrote: >> I'm having similar problems. Getting the error: >> Feihong Hsu writes: >> >>> I tried to update the ChiPy wiki with meeting info for Imaginary >>> Landscape but got a weird error. Maybe it's just me? >> I blame myself :P Its fixed now. My captcha predated the one in moinmoin, now. We are due an upgrade. Any volunteers. Or is it time to start our own app, or take another look at the app we started a long time ago? Someone, pls fill in the topics or just make one up. Guido? Brian Ray bray at sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog From pfein at pobox.com Wed Aug 13 16:20:18 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:20:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Where is the Meeting? Message-ID: http://chipy.org still has July. Where are we meeting tomorrow? From cwebber at dustycloud.org Wed Aug 13 17:05:38 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:05:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Where is the Meeting? In-Reply-To: (Pete's message of "Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:20:18 -0500") References: Message-ID: <86fxp9rm4d.fsf@dustycloud.org> The location was right. I switched it to "August" and put our talk on it. Pete writes: > http://chipy.org still has July. > > Where are we meeting tomorrow? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From g at rrett.us.com Wed Aug 13 17:46:32 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:46:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] SCons In-Reply-To: <1292103355.807641218642335891.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <1592310204.808671218642392725.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Anyone have experience with SCons? http://www.scons.org/ I'm in the market for something like ant, but without the hemmorrhaging suckage. I realize that setuptools is the standard for most Python build tasks, but I need something that's adept at compiling stuff like Java and .NET. There's some interesting work in Ruby world (rake, rbuildr, etc.) but nothing feels quiet simple enough. 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PS. don't use distutils.core ;) On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > Anyone have experience with SCons? > > http://www.scons.org/ > > I'm in the market for something like ant, but without the hemmorrhaging > suckage. I realize that setuptools is the standard for most Python build > tasks, but I need something that's adept at compiling stuff like Java and > .NET. > > There's some interesting work in Ruby world (rake, rbuildr, etc.) but > nothing feels quiet simple enough. > > Garrett > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 18:04:56 2008 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] SCons In-Reply-To: <1592310204.808671218642392725.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <202044.46908.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I did take a look at SCons once for building .NET projects. It seemed alright. They do have an example in their documentation that shows how you might compile a C#-based project. But I don't do .NET stuff currently so I haven't looked at it in a while. --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Garrett Smith wrote: From: Garrett Smith Subject: [Chicago] SCons To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:46 AM #yiv2012369398 p {margin:0;}Anyone have experience with SCons? http://www.scons.org/ I'm in the market for something like ant, but without the hemmorrhaging suckage. I realize that setuptools is the standard for most Python build tasks, but I need something that's adept at compiling stuff like Java and .NET. There's some interesting work in Ruby world (rake, rbuildr, etc.) but nothing feels quiet simple enough. Garrett _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carl K From g at rrett.us.com Wed Aug 13 18:33:06 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:33:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] SCons In-Reply-To: <1099731300.823381218644962540.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <338748041.825401218645186075.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Thanks for the references! Paver looks very promising. Kevin Dangoor summarizes the problem well here http://www.blueskyonmars.com/projects/paver/foreword.html. ----- "Kumar McMillan" wrote: > Garrett, I haven't used SCons but I looked at a bunch of similar tools > briefly: > http://farmdev.com/thoughts/46/the-python-make-tool/ > > It sounds like you might want something more like zc.buildout, maybe > for http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.recipe.cmmi/ (thinking it might > help to compile java?) > > zc.buildout docs are a little hard to follow but it's kinda nice once > you see how it works. > > You may also want to look closely at Paver. > > PS. don't use distutils.core ;) > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Garrett Smith > wrote: > > Anyone have experience with SCons? > > > > http://www.scons.org/ > > > > I'm in the market for something like ant, but without the > hemmorrhaging > > suckage. I realize that setuptools is the standard for most Python > build > > tasks, but I need something that's adept at compiling stuff like > Java and > > .NET. > > > > There's some interesting work in Ruby world (rake, rbuildr, etc.) > but > > nothing feels quiet simple enough. > > > > Garrett > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From pfein at pobox.com Wed Aug 13 18:38:18 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:38:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] web page content scraper In-Reply-To: References: <47FB7778.107@personnelware.com> <804e5c70804080654l2e5b955blce652c16d31161ad@mail.gmail.com> <1207664759.21429.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Adrian Holovaty wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Tom Printy > wrote: >> Wow this library is super cool. Anyone got slides or notes from the >> talk? > > Hey, that's my library and was my talk. Note that the current version > of templatemaker (on Google Code) is pretty "dumb" when dealing with > HTML. > > Since that talk, I've developed a new one, based on lxml, that > analyzes differences in the HTML trees. It's a *lot* better (I'd even > call it *awesome*), but I haven't released it open-source yet. Stay > tuned. Ian bicking wrote something similar IIRC, also based on lxml. If you're both gonna be there, would you like to talk about them briefly? Anyone want to speak for BeautifulSoup? I'm thinking just 5-10 minutes on each. From bray at sent.com Wed Aug 13 18:38:52 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:38:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SCons In-Reply-To: <1592310204.808671218642392725.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <1592310204.808671218642392725.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > Anyone have experience with SCons? SCon's is great but involved. We had some past presentations on it. Most recently, I think it was Atul who presented on SCons. I may be wrong. Many software engineering firms, like the ones I was worked for used SCons for build automation. Even when the project was not necessarily a Python one. SCons also has an interesting history. I am not expert enough to present on it, but I would love to see it again. Brian Ray bray at sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog From brian.curtin at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 20:07:53 2008 From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (curtin@acm.org) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:07:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SCons In-Reply-To: References: <1292103355.807641218642335891.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <1592310204.808671218642392725.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: Just curious -- is there something particularly wrong with using distutils.core? On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > Garrett, I haven't used SCons but I looked at a bunch of similar tools > briefly: > http://farmdev.com/thoughts/46/the-python-make-tool/ > > It sounds like you might want something more like zc.buildout, maybe > for http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.recipe.cmmi/ (thinking it might > help to compile java?) > > zc.buildout docs are a little hard to follow but it's kinda nice once > you see how it works. > > You may also want to look closely at Paver. > > PS. don't use distutils.core ;) > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > > Anyone have experience with SCons? > > > > http://www.scons.org/ > > > > I'm in the market for something like ant, but without the hemmorrhaging > > suckage. I realize that setuptools is the standard for most Python build > > tasks, but I need something that's adept at compiling stuff like Java and > > .NET. > > > > There's some interesting work in Ruby world (rake, rbuildr, etc.) but > > nothing feels quiet simple enough. > > > > Garrett > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 20:16:48 2008 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:16:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] SCons In-Reply-To: References: <1292103355.807641218642335891.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <1592310204.808671218642392725.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:07 PM, curtin at acm.org wrote: > Just curious -- is there something particularly wrong with using > distutils.core? I just meant don't use it for a "build system" because that's not what it is. distutils helps you make and reuse common commands. If that's all you need then it works OK. However, distutils.core.Command is a pain to work with; it requires lots of boilerplate code, option configuration is unintuitive, errors get swallowed easily, etc. As Garrett pointed out I think the bigger problem is declarative vs. imperative (distutils is declarative), summarized nicely in the paver docs: http://www.blueskyonmars.com/projects/paver/foreword.html > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Kumar McMillan > wrote: >> >> Garrett, I haven't used SCons but I looked at a bunch of similar tools >> briefly: >> http://farmdev.com/thoughts/46/the-python-make-tool/ >> >> It sounds like you might want something more like zc.buildout, maybe >> for http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.recipe.cmmi/ (thinking it might >> help to compile java?) >> >> zc.buildout docs are a little hard to follow but it's kinda nice once >> you see how it works. >> >> You may also want to look closely at Paver. >> >> PS. don't use distutils.core ;) >> >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: >> > Anyone have experience with SCons? >> > >> > http://www.scons.org/ >> > >> > I'm in the market for something like ant, but without the hemmorrhaging >> > suckage. I realize that setuptools is the standard for most Python build >> > tasks, but I need something that's adept at compiling stuff like Java >> > and >> > .NET. >> > >> > There's some interesting work in Ruby world (rake, rbuildr, etc.) but >> > nothing feels quiet simple enough. >> > >> > Garrett >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From g at rrett.us.com Wed Aug 13 20:29:49 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:29:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] SCons In-Reply-To: <1426526033.868401218652046006.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <1423176901.869221218652189819.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> I briefly looked at it, but it felt too hard-wired for Python builds and installations. I'm looking for a broader starting point and didn't feel like digging into disutils to make it work that way. Maybe it's easy though. Sounds like Kumar might have some specifics on this point. ----- "curtin at acm.org" wrote: > Just curious -- is there something particularly wrong with using distutils.core? > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Kumar McMillan < kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com > wrote: > Garrett, I haven't used SCons but I looked at a bunch of similar tools briefly: > http://farmdev.com/thoughts/46/the-python-make-tool/ > > It sounds like you might want something more like zc.buildout, maybe > for http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.recipe.cmmi/ (thinking it might > help to compile java?) > > zc.buildout docs are a little hard to follow but it's kinda nice once > you see how it works. > > You may also want to look closely at Paver. > > PS. don't use distutils.core ;) > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Garrett Smith < g at rrett.us.com > wrote: > > Anyone have experience with SCons? > > > > http://www.scons.org/ > > > > I'm in the market for something like ant, but without the hemmorrhaging > > suckage. 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URL: From tcp at mac.com Wed Aug 13 19:42:18 2008 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:42:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] web page content scraper In-Reply-To: References: <47FB7778.107@personnelware.com> <804e5c70804080654l2e5b955blce652c16d31161ad@mail.gmail.com> <1207664759.21429.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <2B4E2DFF-2F12-4615-A683-4DC343997AFF@mac.com> On Aug 13, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Pete wrote: > > On Apr 9, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Adrian Holovaty wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Tom Printy > > wrote: >>> Wow this library is super cool. Anyone got slides or notes from the >>> talk? >> >> Hey, that's my library and was my talk. Note that the current version >> of templatemaker (on Google Code) is pretty "dumb" when dealing with >> HTML. >> >> Since that talk, I've developed a new one, based on lxml, that >> analyzes differences in the HTML trees. It's a *lot* better (I'd even >> call it *awesome*), but I haven't released it open-source yet. Stay >> tuned. > > Ian bicking wrote something similar IIRC, also based on lxml. If > you're both gonna be there, would you like to talk about them > briefly? Anyone want to speak for BeautifulSoup? I'm thinking just > 5-10 minutes on each. This would be really useful -- I've just been assigned a task that will require a bunch of screen scraping... I'd gladly buy beer (before, during or after) as a bribe for these talks being given this week. -tcp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cwebber at dustycloud.org Wed Aug 13 20:48:30 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:48:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Where is the Meeting? In-Reply-To: <86fxp9rm4d.fsf@dustycloud.org> (Christopher Allan Webber's message of "Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:05:38 -0500") References: <86fxp9rm4d.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <867iaksqdd.fsf@dustycloud.org> BTW, uh, anyone else want to present? Feel free to add yourselves. Otherwise it's just going to be me an Tamas. Come on peeps, I know you're working on something interesting. :) Christopher Allan Webber writes: > The location was right. I switched it to "August" and put our talk on it. > > Pete writes: > >> http://chipy.org still has July. >> >> Where are we meeting tomorrow? >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From varmaa at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 20:59:50 2008 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:59:50 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] SCons In-Reply-To: <1423176901.869221218652189819.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <1426526033.868401218652046006.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <1423176901.869221218652189819.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <361b27370808131159i42f98830u270afe215c41b3d6@mail.gmail.com> Yep, I did a ChiPy presentation on SCons in spring 2006; we use it to build Enso. I'm a pretty big fan of it overall, though it has some annoyances whose rationale I'm still not sure about. It's particularly nice for cross-platform software, because it's got great support for both gcc and Microsoft toolchains. I haven't tried anything other than SCons and make+autotools, though, so I couldn't really tell you how it compares to anything else. - Atul On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > I briefly looked at it, but it felt too hard-wired for Python builds and > installations. I'm looking for a broader starting point and didn't feel like > digging into disutils to make it work that way. Maybe it's easy though. > Sounds like Kumar might have some specifics on this point. > > > ----- "curtin at acm.org" wrote: > > Just curious -- is there something particularly wrong with using > distutils.core? > > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Kumar McMillan > wrote: > > >> >> Garrett, I haven't used SCons but I looked at a bunch of similar tools >> briefly: >> > http://farmdev.com/thoughts/46/the-python-make-tool/ >> > >> > It sounds like you might want something more like zc.buildout, maybe >> > for http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.recipe.cmmi/ (thinking it might >> > help to compile java?) >> > >> > zc.buildout docs are a little hard to follow but it's kinda nice once >> > you see how it works. >> > >> > You may also want to look closely at Paver. >> > >> > PS. don't use distutils.core ;) >> > >> >> > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: >> > > Anyone have experience with SCons? >> > > >> > > http://www.scons.org/ >> > > >> > > I'm in the market for something like ant, but without the >> hemmorrhaging >> > > suckage. I realize that setuptools is the standard for most Python >> build >> > > tasks, but I need something that's adept at compiling stuff like Java >> and >> > > .NET. >> > > >> > > There's some interesting work in Ruby world (rake, rbuildr, etc.) but >> > > nothing feels quiet simple enough. >> > > >> > > Garrett >> > > >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > > Chicago mailing list >> > > Chicago at python.org >> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chicago mailing list >> > Chicago at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott.sexton at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 16:47:09 2008 From: scott.sexton at gmail.com (Scott Sexton) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:47:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Where is the Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43299c0d0808130747u51747bf6w2fe3e9aa32d3a8c8@mail.gmail.com> Don't be fooled by the website heading. That's actually the date and location for August. On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Pete wrote: > http://chipy.org still has July. > > Where are we meeting tomorrow? > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g at rrett.us.com Thu Aug 14 03:44:22 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:44:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Where is the Meeting? In-Reply-To: <867iaksqdd.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: <1665500273.1003911218678262379.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> I'm not 100% sure I can make tomorrow, but I wouldn't mind getting into a conversation about distributed VCS (e.g. git, Bazaar, etc.) I'm using git for some work and am liking it a lot, but the learning curve and "power to harm" aspects of git make me wonder about its viability for mainstream use. I can certainly offer my two cents and would be very interested in hearing from others. ----- "Christopher Allan Webber" wrote: > BTW, uh, anyone else want to present? Feel free to add yourselves. > Otherwise it's just going to be me an Tamas. > > Come on peeps, I know you're working on something interesting. :) > > Christopher Allan Webber writes: > > > The location was right. I switched it to "August" and put our talk > on it. > > > > Pete writes: > > > >> http://chipy.org still has July. > >> > >> Where are we meeting tomorrow? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From bray at sent.com Thu Aug 14 06:04:33 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:04:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ANN ChiPy August Meeting at Imaginary Landscape Message-ID: <7AA2E07D-B024-4E7B-883B-0F3C7E1385CF@sent.com> Chicago Python User Group ========================= Yes! ChiPy will meet Thursday the 14th! Sorry for the late notice folks, but I am happy to say, Chipy's August Meeting will be our best ever. When ---- Thursday, August 14th, ~7pm Topics ------ * Chris Webber and Tamas Kemenczy -- Bebop: a collection of useful pluggables for Django (pluggables include: cron, captcha, assets, config, eviltags) * open Discussion on Distributed Version Control Systems (e.g. git, Bazaar, etc.) * (time permitting) open Discussion on build systems (make, Scons, BuildIt) * Brian Ray's Top Ten reasons why Python is still better than Ruby Location -------- Imaginary Landscape 5121 N Ravenswood Ave About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: From cstejerean at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 15:08:15 2008 From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:08:15 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Where is the Meeting? In-Reply-To: <1665500273.1003911218678262379.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <867iaksqdd.fsf@dustycloud.org> <1665500273.1003911218678262379.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <276266d0808140608k2d4a606av19e9f5cd45f27176@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > I'm not 100% sure I can make tomorrow, but I wouldn't mind getting into a conversation about distributed VCS (e.g. git, Bazaar, etc.) I'm using git for some work and am liking it a lot, but the learning curve and "power to harm" aspects of git make me wonder about its viability for mainstream use. > > I can certainly offer my two cents and would be very interested in hearing from others. > > If we end up having a conversion on git I'd love to share what I know about using git and more interestingly git-svn to inter-operate with subversion repositories. -- Cosmin Stejerean http://blog.offbytwo.com From carl at personnelware.com Fri Aug 15 04:02:26 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] brain todo list Message-ID: <48A4E3B2.9010803@personnelware.com> 1 meetup 2. create announcement mail list - talk to skip? 3. minutes... of something. 4. http://anyvite.com - do this too, even if you only agreed to the first 3. 5. post the movies I made. this message will self destruct in a few years. Carl K From jason at hostedlabs.com Fri Aug 15 15:01:25 2008 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:01:25 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp T-minus 26 hours Message-ID: <48A57E25.4060601@hostedlabs.com> Hey Everyone! We are starting set-up this evening and BARcamp officially starts 11:00 Saturday morning! Some photos of the venue have been uploaded, kegs are on the way, food is being ordered. Crazy, but its all coming together. Saturday 10:00am August 16th at 1240 W Harrison, Chicago IL. http://barcampchicago.com/ The Erlang Workshop starts at noon and kicks off a weekend long Erlang code competition. There are, as always, some great talks planned and even more great talks that aren't planned ;-) Thanks to the organizers and sponsors for making this happen! Look forward to seeing you all this weekend. -jason From cwebber at dustycloud.org Sat Aug 16 02:24:51 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:24:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Code from last night's talk (Bebop) Message-ID: <86abfdst64.fsf@dustycloud.org> Hey all, So, since there seemed sufficient interest from the meeting, I promised to give a link to the repository for our code. It's all in subversion... do an `svn ls` at this address to take a look at what's there: svn ls svn://subversion.imagescape.com For those not familiar with subversion, you can check out any of the packages like so: svn co svn://subversion.imagescape.com/Hourglass/ We'll try to get a site up and a mailing list soon, as well as some stable releases. In the meanwhile, have fun browsing the code. In the meanwhile, if you want to submit to any patches, send code to either cwebber at dustycloud.org or tamask at imagescape.com have fun.. From fawad at fawad.net Sun Aug 17 18:13:42 2008 From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:13:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Django in the Tribune Message-ID: <191920ad0808170913wb8cec41q90066ab09bf6f738@mail.gmail.com> I was pleasantly surprised to see Adrian on the cover of today's Chicago Tribune Magazine (supplement to the sunday paper). There's a mention of Django in the article. http://tinyurl.com/57rqto* *-fawad* * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at personnelware.com Mon Aug 18 15:45:39 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:45:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] brain todo list In-Reply-To: <48A4E3B2.9010803@personnelware.com> References: <48A4E3B2.9010803@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <48A97D03.5080900@personnelware.com> Get any of these done? Want me to get the announcement list created? CarlK Carl Karsten wrote: > 1 meetup > 2. create announcement mail list - talk to skip? > 3. minutes... of something. > 4. http://anyvite.com - do this too, even if you only agreed to the > first 3. > 5. post the movies I made. > > this message will self destruct in a few years. > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From g at rrett.us.com Tue Aug 19 20:11:30 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:11:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Tweener get together In-Reply-To: <2041647367.489261219166199777.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <756497704.531861219169490951.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Anyone up for a 'tween meeting get together downtown? I thought Jefferson tap made for a nice location -- close to public transit including the metra. Garrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shekay at pobox.com Tue Aug 19 20:49:50 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:49:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Tweener get together In-Reply-To: <756497704.531861219169490951.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <2041647367.489261219166199777.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <756497704.531861219169490951.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: But tweens are < 21. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > Anyone up for a 'tween meeting get together downtown? I thought Jefferson > tap made for a nice location -- close to public transit including the metra. > > > > Garrett > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > -- sheila From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 20:53:29 2008 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:53:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Tweener get together In-Reply-To: <756497704.531861219169490951.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <2041647367.489261219166199777.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <756497704.531861219169490951.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0808191153p3daa9d28xb8af1c10d73d1cfa@mail.gmail.com> Name a time and place (50% there!) Chris On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: > Anyone up for a 'tween meeting get together downtown? I thought Jefferson > tap made for a nice location -- close to public transit including the metra. > > > > Garrett > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From g at rrett.us.com Tue Aug 19 21:20:56 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:20:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Tweener get together In-Reply-To: <1154751311.553611219173388500.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <1435772032.555301219173656818.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Per our tradition, I figured we'd take the next four or five days to debate time and venue! But at the risk coming across as a power grubbing dictator, I propose... 7pm, Thurs Aug 28, Jefferson Tap (325 N. Jefferson - 1 blk west and 3 north of Ogilvie) I should pretty be open that week so if there are folks for whom Thursdays are tricky, we could do Wednesday the 27th. ----- "Chris McAvoy" wrote: > Name a time and place (50% there!) > > Chris > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Garrett Smith > wrote: > > Anyone up for a 'tween meeting get together downtown? I thought > Jefferson > > tap made for a nice location -- close to public transit including > the metra. > > > > > > > > Garrett > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From szybalski at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 03:03:21 2008 From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:03:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] writing pdf files from python Message-ID: <804e5c70808191803o6104ec48gc62cdb6fd253c26d@mail.gmail.com> Hello, On the last meeting one of you mentioned that you wanted to write pdf from python. I just did something similar with openoffice. You read openoffice file, do some stuff and save it as pdf. It works pretty nice.. Here is a manual. http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/OpenOffice Lucas -- Where was my car manufactured? http://cars.lucasmanual.com/vin TurboGears Manual-Howto http://lucasmanual.com/pdf/TurboGears-Manual-Howto.pdf From cwurld at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 03:35:55 2008 From: cwurld at yahoo.com (Chuck Martin) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] Fw: writing pdf files from python Message-ID: <89592.23985.qm@web50203.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Reportlab (http://www.reportlab.org/) works well too. Chuck --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > From: Lukasz Szybalski > Subject: [Chicago] writing pdf files from python > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 8:03 PM > Hello, > On the last meeting one of you mentioned that you wanted to > write pdf > from python. > > I just did something similar with openoffice. You read > openoffice > file, do some stuff and save it as pdf. > > It works pretty nice.. > > > Here is a manual. > http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/OpenOffice > > > Lucas > > -- > Where was my car manufactured? > http://cars.lucasmanual.com/vin > TurboGears Manual-Howto > http://lucasmanual.com/pdf/TurboGears-Manual-Howto.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From sgithens at caret.cam.ac.uk Wed Aug 20 06:00:29 2008 From: sgithens at caret.cam.ac.uk (Steven Githens) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:00:29 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] writing pdf files from python In-Reply-To: <804e5c70808191803o6104ec48gc62cdb6fd253c26d@mail.gmail.com> References: <804e5c70808191803o6104ec48gc62cdb6fd253c26d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AB96DD.5030101@caret.cam.ac.uk> Another option (although a bit more obtuse) that I used to make all the preprinted badges for this last PyCon was Jython + iText. I needed to open and modify existing PDF's (something the free version of ReportLab didn't support then, it might now). It worked pretty well and pretty concise code using the Java library from Jython. -steve Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > Hello, > On the last meeting one of you mentioned that you wanted to write pdf > from python. > > I just did something similar with openoffice. You read openoffice > file, do some stuff and save it as pdf. > > It works pretty nice.. > > > Here is a manual. > http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/OpenOffice > > > Lucas > > From szybalski at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 15:36:03 2008 From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:36:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] writing pdf files from python In-Reply-To: <48AB96DD.5030101@caret.cam.ac.uk> References: <804e5c70808191803o6104ec48gc62cdb6fd253c26d@mail.gmail.com> <48AB96DD.5030101@caret.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <804e5c70808200636r1cb56364r58fa663e88b0026b@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Steven Githens wrote: > Another option (although a bit more obtuse) that I used to make all the > preprinted badges for this last PyCon was Jython + iText. I needed to open > and modify existing PDF's (something the free version of ReportLab didn't > support then, it might now). It worked pretty well and pretty concise code > using the Java library from Jython. Thant's nice. I have to check, but I think openOffice can read from pdf then output what ever it gets, but not sure how it would look. As far as reportalb, I find it hard to use since you actually need to create the pdf, layers, etc, vs in openoffice you design the letter in openoffice and then you use python to fill in the blanks. At least that is what I do. What are you guys using pdf functionality for? What type of document? Lucas > > -steve > > > Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> >> Hello, >> On the last meeting one of you mentioned that you wanted to write pdf >> from python. >> >> I just did something similar with openoffice. You read openoffice >> file, do some stuff and save it as pdf. >> >> It works pretty nice.. >> >> >> Here is a manual. >> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/OpenOffice >> >> >> Lucas >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Where was my car manufactured? http://cars.lucasmanual.com/vin TurboGears Manual-Howto http://lucasmanual.com/pdf/TurboGears-Manual-Howto.pdf From sgithens at caret.cam.ac.uk Wed Aug 20 15:43:09 2008 From: sgithens at caret.cam.ac.uk (Steven Githens) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:43:09 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] writing pdf files from python In-Reply-To: <804e5c70808200636r1cb56364r58fa663e88b0026b@mail.gmail.com> References: <804e5c70808191803o6104ec48gc62cdb6fd253c26d@mail.gmail.com> <48AB96DD.5030101@caret.cam.ac.uk> <804e5c70808200636r1cb56364r58fa663e88b0026b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AC1F6D.7030807@caret.cam.ac.uk> Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Steven Githens > wrote: > >> Another option (although a bit more obtuse) that I used to make all the >> preprinted badges for this last PyCon was Jython + iText. I needed to open >> and modify existing PDF's (something the free version of ReportLab didn't >> support then, it might now). It worked pretty well and pretty concise code >> using the Java library from Jython. >> > > Thant's nice. I have to check, but I think openOffice can read from > pdf then output what ever it gets, but not sure how it would look. > > > As far as reportalb, I find it hard to use since you actually need to > create the pdf, layers, etc, vs in openoffice you design the letter in > openoffice and then you use python to fill in the blanks. At least > that is what I do. > > iText is definately like ReportLab in that it's a lot of lower level PDF operations with a few convenience wrappers around some of them. If that's what you need it's pretty robust. For more larger real documents, scripting OOo would probably have a lot more value. -s > What are you guys using pdf functionality for? What type of document? > > Lucas > > > >> -steve >> >> >> Lukasz Szybalski wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> On the last meeting one of you mentioned that you wanted to write pdf >>> from python. >>> >>> I just did something similar with openoffice. You read openoffice >>> file, do some stuff and save it as pdf. >>> >>> It works pretty nice.. >>> >>> >>> Here is a manual. >>> http://lucasmanual.com/mywiki/OpenOffice >>> >>> >>> Lucas >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> >> > > > > From carl at personnelware.com Wed Aug 20 15:51:38 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:51:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] writing pdf files from python In-Reply-To: <804e5c70808200636r1cb56364r58fa663e88b0026b@mail.gmail.com> References: <804e5c70808191803o6104ec48gc62cdb6fd253c26d@mail.gmail.com> <48AB96DD.5030101@caret.cam.ac.uk> <804e5c70808200636r1cb56364r58fa663e88b0026b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48AC216A.6030701@personnelware.com> Lukasz Szybalski wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Steven Githens > wrote: >> Another option (although a bit more obtuse) that I used to make all the >> preprinted badges for this last PyCon was Jython + iText. I needed to open >> and modify existing PDF's (something the free version of ReportLab didn't >> support then, it might now). It worked pretty well and pretty concise code >> using the Java library from Jython. > > Thant's nice. I have to check, but I think openOffice can read from > pdf then output what ever it gets, but not sure how it would look. > > > As far as reportalb, I find it hard to use since you actually need to > create the pdf, layers, etc, vs in openoffice you design the letter in > openoffice and then you use python to fill in the blanks. At least > that is what I do. > > What are you guys using pdf functionality for? What type of document? > > Lucas If you look at your PyCon reg (you did go, right?) http://us.pycon.org/2008/registration/view/ you will see a png of your badge. click on it and you get a pdf for printing on pre-printed stock. That was done with reportlab - the png is made on the fly by making a pdf and converting to png. Carl K From maney at two14.net Sun Aug 24 22:24:51 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:24:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Scheming to inject Python Message-ID: <20080824202451.GC22369@furrr.two14.net> So say there's this existing project that's built on top of (in large part) Scheme. Is there any useful interoperability between Python and Scheme? All I've found by searching are the usual Pythonic glut of mostly abandoned (or maybe they just move very slowly) projects to implement Scheme, or some subset of it, in Python. While interesting, that's not an approach that's going to give me any traction here, I don't believe. Thanks. -- We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true. -- Robert Wilensky From skip at pobox.com Sun Aug 24 22:47:35 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Scheming to inject Python In-Reply-To: <20080824202451.GC22369@furrr.two14.net> References: <20080824202451.GC22369@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <18609.51431.183368.230457@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Martin> So say there's this existing project that's built on top of (in Martin> large part) Scheme. Is there any useful interoperability Martin> between Python and Scheme? All I've found by searching are the Martin> usual Pythonic glut of mostly abandoned (or maybe they just move Martin> very slowly) projects to implement Scheme, or some subset of it, Martin> in Python. While interesting, that's not an approach that's Martin> going to give me any traction here, I don't believe. Assuming you're willing to do a bunch of development work you might take a consider the approach used by Fran?ois Pinard in PyMacs: http://pymacs.progiciels-bpi.ca/. Skip From bray at sent.com Sun Aug 24 23:30:33 2008 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:30:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] brain todo list In-Reply-To: <48A4E3B2.9010803@personnelware.com> References: <48A4E3B2.9010803@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <1219613433.14475.1270266393@webmail.messagingengine.com> Ok guys, here is my excuse. I have been pre-occupied with my plans to replace all crappy high-level languages with Python. For instance, I started with this article and I am suggesting that they replace the obfuscated GEMS code with Pretty Python code: So, far, no luck since I have been unable to form a formal relationship with the developers on a Sunday--those hacks. But, I will be drowning my sorrows at Kasey's tavern for the next couple of hours. There is no WIFI. Do not ask how I sent this email. Its magic. shhhh ( thank you "Pets"). Ok, now back to what I do best, delegation: 1 meetups I recall Chris McAvoy was going to take care of this. We want an account but we want to have control. Chris? 2. create announcement mail list - talk to skip? Skip (CC'd and also just posted to the list a second ago), if I recall, you were the one who helped us move our mail list to the Python server. We would like a separate Announcement only list for Chipy. Is this at all possible? We would be forever grateful. 3. minutes... of something. Ummm, I wrote those but lost them. Here is from memory: 1) we voted to use meetup but only as a sidekick. Trial period 6 months. Starting last month. And we want to automate with Python somehow!!? 2) we voted to start an announcement only list. So not to annoy people with emails that seem off topic, but are more brilliant than first meets the eye (like this one) 3) we declared ChiPy a group of wondering Gypsies who bow down to no corporation! unless they want to sponsor the next ChiPy meeting. Google? 4) we like facebook. And Feihong is all over that like flys on poo 4. http://anyvite.com - do this too, even if you only agreed to the first 3. Hey wait, Carl. Are you feeling ok? Here are your choices: 1) you tell us more on what your suggesting, 2) we get on this right away (bartender) or 3) we drink beer and forget you just said that 5. post the movies I made. Ummm, the amature home-made ones or the ones of the ChiPy meetings. ping me on irc about this. :D Thanks, Brian PS. B-r-i-a-n From bray at sent.com Sun Aug 24 23:30:48 2008 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:30:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] brain todo list Message-ID: <1219613448.14582.1270266393@webmail.messagingengine.com> Ok guys, here is my excuse. I have been pre-occupied with my plans to replace all crappy high-level languages with Python. For instance, I started with this article and I am suggesting that they replace the obfuscated GEMS code with Pretty Python code: So, far, no luck since I have been unable to form a formal relationship with the developers on a Sunday--those hacks. But, I will be drowning my sorrows at Kasey's tavern for the next couple of hours. There is no WIFI. Do not ask how I sent this email. Its magic. shhhh ( thank you "Pets"). Ok, now back to what I do best, delegation: 1 meetups I recall Chris McAvoy was going to take care of this. We want an account but we want to have control. Chris? 2. create announcement mail list - talk to skip? Skip (CC'd and also just posted to the list a second ago), if I recall, you were the one who helped us move our mail list to the Python server. We would like a separate Announcement only list for Chipy. Is this at all possible? We would be forever grateful. 3. minutes... of something. Ummm, I wrote those but lost them. Here is from memory: 1) we voted to use meetup but only as a sidekick. Trial period 6 months. Starting last month. And we want to automate with Python somehow!!? 2) we voted to start an announcement only list. So not to annoy people with emails that seem off topic, but are more brilliant than first meets the eye (like this one) 3) we declared ChiPy a group of wondering Gypsies who bow down to no corporation! unless they want to sponsor the next ChiPy meeting. Google? 4) we like facebook. And Feihong is all over that like flys on poo 4. http://anyvite.com - do this too, even if you only agreed to the first 3. Hey wait, Carl. Are you feeling ok? Here are your choices: 1) you tell us more on what your suggesting, 2) we get on this right away (bartender) or 3) we drink beer and forget you just said that 5. post the movies I made. Ummm, the amature home-made ones or the ones of the ChiPy meetings. ping me on irc about this. :D Thanks, Brian PS. B-r-i-a-n From carl at personnelware.com Mon Aug 25 00:00:32 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:00:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] brain todo list In-Reply-To: <1219613433.14475.1270266393@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <48A4E3B2.9010803@personnelware.com> <1219613433.14475.1270266393@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <48B1DA00.8050700@personnelware.com> > 2. create announcement mail list - talk to skip? > > Skip (CC'd and also just posted to the list a second ago), if I recall, > you were the one who helped us move our mail list to the Python server. > We would like a separate Announcement only list for Chipy. Is this at > all possible? We would be forever grateful. Somehow it happened this mooning: "The initial listowner (Chris) should already have gotten the announcement e-mail with the listowner password. He can share that with Skip, or he can choose to change the password to something else and then share that with Skip." > > > > 4. http://anyvite.com - do this too, even if you only agreed to the > first 3. > > Hey wait, Carl. Are you feeling ok? Here are your choices: 1) you tell > us more on what your suggesting, 2) we get on this right away > (bartender) or 3) we drink beer and forget you just said that heck if I know. > > > 5. post the movies I made. > > Ummm, the amature home-made ones or the ones of the ChiPy meetings. I did not have relations with any interns. > ping me on irc about this. :D No answer. Carl K From deadwisdom at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 00:21:41 2008 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:21:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Scheming to inject Python In-Reply-To: <20080824202451.GC22369@furrr.two14.net> References: <20080824202451.GC22369@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <694c06d60808241521wbb8dd60k532e35de763e2e4c@mail.gmail.com> I have made proof of concept Lisp/Scheme-Like-Syntax to Python Byte Code. It's pretty nifty, and I can show you the code if you'd like. On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Martin Maney wrote: > So say there's this existing project that's built on top of (in large > part) Scheme. Is there any useful interoperability between Python and > Scheme? All I've found by searching are the usual Pythonic glut of > mostly abandoned (or maybe they just move very slowly) projects to > implement Scheme, or some subset of it, in Python. While interesting, > that's not an approach that's going to give me any traction here, I > don't believe. > > Thanks. > > -- > We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on > a million typewriters will eventually reproduce > the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the > Internet, we know this is not true. -- Robert Wilensky > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From maney at two14.net Mon Aug 25 00:22:03 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:22:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Scheming to inject Python In-Reply-To: <18609.51431.183368.230457@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <20080824202451.GC22369@furrr.two14.net> <18609.51431.183368.230457@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: <20080824222203.GD22369@furrr.two14.net> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 03:47:35PM -0500, skip at pobox.com wrote: > Assuming you're willing to do a bunch of development work you might take a > consider the approach used by Fran?ois Pinard in PyMacs: > http://pymacs.progiciels-bpi.ca/. Sounds like this would have already solved my problem if only the project were an emacs extension. After all, why shouldn't emacs be a CAD tool as well as a kitchen sink? :-) -- "What's so funny? That I'm sitting on a deserted beach at night, nibbling at gourmet meals, and rereading every book I've ever loved? Can you think of anything more worthwhile?" -- Michael Flynn From bray at sent.com Mon Aug 25 01:10:37 2008 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:10:37 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list Message-ID: <1219619437.1342.1270276453@webmail.messagingengine.com> This is a list for announcements, only: http://mail.python.org/mailman/subscribe/chipy-announce -- Brian Ray From cwebber at dustycloud.org Mon Aug 25 15:12:03 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:12:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] brain todo list In-Reply-To: <1219613433.14475.1270266393@webmail.messagingengine.com> (bray@sent.com's message of "Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:30:33 -0500") References: <48A4E3B2.9010803@personnelware.com> <1219613433.14475.1270266393@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <87iqtpp7bw.fsf@dustycloud.org> bray at sent.com writes: > 5. post the movies I made. > > Ummm, the amature home-made ones or the ones of the ChiPy meetings. > ping me on irc about this. :D I have been thinking about this... as I mentioned in the last meeting, I've been working on Miro a lot lately, and have really been enjoying downloading video feeds. I think it would be great if we had a ChiPy channel. However, YouTube's quality sucks, and Vimeo's terms of service are not as nice (IIRC) and more importantly they don't let you download the actual videos, only stream them. I've recently become quite fond of http://blip.tv ... and they're a lot more open source friendly than YouTube is. I'd love to be able to have a ChiPy channel that people could subscribe to in Miro/iTunes/whatever. Would be great to have an archive of our meetings, as well as providing a convenient feed for people who have left the area to keep up with meetings, as we've gotten requests for that. Plus, we've been talking about how to attract more people to our meetings. What better way than to actually provide high-quality Python content on these internets? From g at rrett.us.com Mon Aug 25 17:00:48 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:00:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <1219619437.1342.1270276453@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Will the announcements also be made on the main list? ----- bray at sent.com wrote: > This is a list for announcements, only: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/subscribe/chipy-announce > > -- Brian Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From carl at personnelware.com Mon Aug 25 17:04:49 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:04:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> Garrett Smith wrote: > Will the announcements also be made on the main list? Seems like a good idea. Carl K From skip at pobox.com Mon Aug 25 17:35:25 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:35:25 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> References: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Carl> Garrett Smith wrote: >> Will the announcements also be made on the main list? Carl> Seems like a good idea. I suspect that depends on who makes the announcement, though perhaps we could manually subscribe chicago at python.org to chipy-announce at python. Skip From carl at personnelware.com Mon Aug 25 18:05:08 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:05:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: <48B2D834.8090802@personnelware.com> skip at pobox.com wrote: > Carl> Garrett Smith wrote: > >> Will the announcements also be made on the main list? > > Carl> Seems like a good idea. > > I suspect that depends on who makes the announcement, or what. like our magnificent ChiPy announcing machine. > though perhaps we > could manually subscribe chicago at python.org to chipy-announce at python. You can do that? sounds evil somehow. Carl K From pfein at pobox.com Mon Aug 25 18:42:52 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:42:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2008, at 10:35 AM, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > Carl> Garrett Smith wrote: >>> Will the announcements also be made on the main list? > > Carl> Seems like a good idea. > > I suspect that depends on who makes the announcement, though perhaps > we > could manually subscribe chicago at python.org to chipy-announce at python. +! From skip at pobox.com Mon Aug 25 19:33:55 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:33:55 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <48B2D834.8090802@personnelware.com> References: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <48B2D834.8090802@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <18610.60675.21150.94963@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> >> I suspect that depends on who makes the announcement, Carl> or what. Carl> like our magnificent ChiPy announcing machine. My feeling is that if someone mails an announcement to chipy-announce@ and neglects to cc chicago@ then it only goes to the announce list. >> though perhaps we could manually subscribe chicago at python.org to >> chipy-announce at python. Carl> You can do that? sounds evil somehow. Not really, as long as we don't later make the mistake of subscribing the announce list to the main list. If that happened I think we've have to buy our chipmunk a hamster wheel so he could run like the wind without bumping into something. ;-) Skip From maney at two14.net Mon Aug 25 19:50:19 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <48B2D834.8090802@personnelware.com> References: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <48B2D834.8090802@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <20080825175019.GA25089@furrr.two14.net> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:05:08AM -0500, Carl Karsten wrote: > skip at pobox.com wrote: >> though perhaps we >> could manually subscribe chicago at python.org to chipy-announce at python. > > You can do that? sounds evil somehow. Of course you can. It's often done and works well - at least so long as people making announcements know about the echoing and don't routinely post to both the real list and the -announce one, creating annnoying dupage. (no, no, not DuPage, dupage. like mucilage but less sticky) [style note for Carl: see, I had had '"real"' there at first, but you don't need the scare quotes to understand that usage, do you? they just made it look silly, and provided an unnecessary opportunity for some sensitive (or belligerent) soul to take offense...] -- We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true. -- Robert Wilensky From shekay at pobox.com Tue Aug 26 19:57:58 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:57:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <20080825175019.GA25089@furrr.two14.net> References: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <48B2D834.8090802@personnelware.com> <20080825175019.GA25089@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Martin Maney wrote: > [style note for Carl: see, I had had '"real"' there at first, but you > don't need the scare quotes to understand that usage, do you? they > just made it look silly, and provided an unnecessary opportunity for > some sensitive (or belligerent) soul to take offense...] omit needless! -- sheila From carl at personnelware.com Tue Aug 26 21:11:01 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:11:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: References: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <48B2D834.8090802@personnelware.com> <20080825175019.GA25089@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <48B45545.6090800@personnelware.com> sheila miguez wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Martin Maney wrote: > >> [style note for Carl: see, I had had '"real"' there at first, but you >> don't need the scare quotes to understand that usage, do you? they >> just made it look silly, and provided an unnecessary opportunity for >> some sensitive (or belligerent) soul to take offense...] > > omit needless! I see no needless to omit? The fact that the initial version was '"real"' should show that it is optimal. I don't see how dumbing it down makes it more informative. But you are right, I did understand you to mean '"real"' and not 'real'. Feel free to stop using periods at the end of sentences two - Eye can probably figure out what ewe average. Carl K From g at rrett.us.com Tue Aug 26 21:32:46 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:32:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <48B45545.6090800@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <1504156335.614561219779166441.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Whoever's moderating this list (chicago at python.org), I have an announcement for a beer night (this wed or thurs) that's being held up for some reason. Could you take a look? ----- "Carl Karsten" wrote: > sheila miguez wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Martin Maney > wrote: > > > >> [style note for Carl: see, I had had '"real"' there at first, but > you > >> don't need the scare quotes to understand that usage, do you? > they > >> just made it look silly, and provided an unnecessary opportunity > for > >> some sensitive (or belligerent) soul to take offense...] > > > > omit needless! > > I see no needless to omit? > > The fact that the initial version was '"real"' should show that it is > optimal. > I don't see how dumbing it down makes it more informative. But you > are right, I > did understand you to mean '"real"' and not 'real'. Feel free to stop > using > periods at the end of sentences two - Eye can probably figure out what > ewe average. > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From carl at personnelware.com Tue Aug 26 22:08:17 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:08:17 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <1504156335.614561219779166441.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <1504156335.614561219779166441.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <48B462B1.8030809@personnelware.com> Send it to Feihong so he can use his announcement machine to tell the world. then he can post that it is hung up for review. Carl K Garrett Smith wrote: > Whoever's moderating this list (chicago at python.org), I have an announcement for a beer night (this wed or thurs) that's being held up for some reason. Could you take a look? > > > ----- "Carl Karsten" wrote: > >> sheila miguez wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Martin Maney >> wrote: >>>> [style note for Carl: see, I had had '"real"' there at first, but >> you >>>> don't need the scare quotes to understand that usage, do you? >> they >>>> just made it look silly, and provided an unnecessary opportunity >> for >>>> some sensitive (or belligerent) soul to take offense...] >>> omit needless! >> I see no needless to omit? >> >> The fact that the initial version was '"real"' should show that it is >> optimal. >> I don't see how dumbing it down makes it more informative. But you >> are right, I >> did understand you to mean '"real"' and not 'real'. Feel free to stop >> using >> periods at the end of sentences two - Eye can probably figure out what >> ewe average. >> >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From g at rrett.us.com Tue Aug 26 17:24:44 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:24:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Beer meetup Message-ID: <1692372515.503421219764284648.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Who's up for a Chipy 'tweener meeting at Jefferson Tap - http://www.jeffersontap.com - either this Wed (tomorrow) or Thurs? It might be nice to meet Wed for anyone who can't typically make the scheduled Thurs nights. Garrett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bray at sent.com Tue Aug 26 22:13:05 2008 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:13:05 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Beer meetup In-Reply-To: <1692372515.503421219764284648.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <1692372515.503421219764284648.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <9214E6AF-CBCC-4998-A398-F98348570215@sent.com> On Aug 26, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > Who's up for a Chipy 'tweener meeting at Jefferson Tap - http://www.jeffersontap.com > - either this Wed (tomorrow) or Thurs? N0d, perhaps two of us :D Brian Ray bray at sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog From skip at pobox.com Tue Aug 26 22:29:23 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:29:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <1504156335.614561219779166441.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> References: <48B45545.6090800@personnelware.com> <1504156335.614561219779166441.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <18612.26531.561135.537347@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Garrett> Whoever's moderating this list (chicago at python.org), I have an Garrett> announcement for a beer night (this wed or thurs) that's being Garrett> held up for some reason. Could you take a look? At this point I think that is just Chris McAvoy. Perhaps he's away on vacation. I tried both using the chicago list passwords for both the admin and moderator URLs for chipy-announce but was denied access, so I assume Chris hasn't yet changed anything from the defaults. Skip From g at rrett.us.com Tue Aug 26 22:41:06 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:41:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Beer meetup In-Reply-To: <9214E6AF-CBCC-4998-A398-F98348570215@sent.com> Message-ID: <1909163062.632731219783265674.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> That's cool with me. Wednesday then? ----- "Brian Ray" wrote: > On Aug 26, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > > > Who's up for a Chipy 'tweener meeting at Jefferson Tap - > http://www.jeffersontap.com > > - either this Wed (tomorrow) or Thurs? > > > N0d, perhaps two of us :D > > Brian Ray > bray at sent.com > http://kazavoo.com/blog > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 22:43:54 2008 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:43:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <18612.26531.561135.537347@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <48B45545.6090800@personnelware.com> <1504156335.614561219779166441.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <18612.26531.561135.537347@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: <3096c19d0808261343r5763185cx28f61b5fd4acb250@mail.gmail.com> I got it. Sorry dudes, I'm not reading every email as of late. What else have I missed? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:29 PM, wrote: > > Garrett> Whoever's moderating this list (chicago at python.org), I have an > Garrett> announcement for a beer night (this wed or thurs) that's being > Garrett> held up for some reason. Could you take a look? > > At this point I think that is just Chris McAvoy. Perhaps he's away on > vacation. I tried both using the chicago list passwords for both the admin > and moderator URLs for chipy-announce but was denied access, so I assume > Chris hasn't yet changed anything from the defaults. > > Skip > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From g at rrett.us.com Tue Aug 26 22:43:46 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:43:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <18612.26531.561135.537347@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: <253661796.633531219783426886.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> It made it through. All is well. ----- skip at pobox.com wrote: > Garrett> Whoever's moderating this list (chicago at python.org), I have > an > Garrett> announcement for a beer night (this wed or thurs) that's > being > Garrett> held up for some reason. Could you take a look? > > At this point I think that is just Chris McAvoy. Perhaps he's away > on > vacation. I tried both using the chicago list passwords for both the > admin > and moderator URLs for chipy-announce but was denied access, so I > assume > Chris hasn't yet changed anything from the defaults. > > Skip > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From maney at two14.net Wed Aug 27 00:59:22 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:59:22 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: <48B45545.6090800@personnelware.com> References: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <48B2D834.8090802@personnelware.com> <20080825175019.GA25089@furrr.two14.net> <48B45545.6090800@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <20080826225922.GA27616@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 02:11:01PM -0500, Carl Karsten wrote: > The fact that the initial version was '"real"' should show that it is > optimal. Oh, heck no. Anything written - English or Python - can be improved by revising. This reply has already improved considerably from the one I quikly imagined when I first read your words earlier - luckily, I had little time just then, and set it aside for later. > I don't see how dumbing it down makes it more informative. I think you have it backwards. '"real"' was for an audience assumed to be (in part) too dense to understand (without that baseball bat to the head) that I meant something other than the literal meaning of the words (viz., the internet). Surely this list doesn't require such heavyhanded measures, so removing the scare quotes was clearly an improvement. -- C++ is the grandmother of invention. From maney at two14.net Wed Aug 27 01:00:11 2008 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:00:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ChiPy Announcement *only* list In-Reply-To: References: <2068884288.176141219676448055.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> <48B2CA11.6090508@personnelware.com> <18610.53565.570618.211091@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <48B2D834.8090802@personnelware.com> <20080825175019.GA25089@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <20080826230011.GB27616@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:57:58PM -0500, sheila miguez wrote: > omit needless! terser! -- Obscurity is a far great threat to authors and creative artists than piracy. -- Tim O'Reilly From shekay at pobox.com Wed Aug 27 18:33:54 2008 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:33:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] vim/lisp/python talk? Message-ID: Would anyone like to invite Frank to give a spiel on http://nekthuth.com/? He showed it to me at work. It uses python to add lisp stuff to vim. -- sheila From g at rrett.us.com Wed Aug 27 20:11:08 2008 From: g at rrett.us.com (Garrett Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:11:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago] Beer meetup In-Reply-To: <1909163062.632731219783265674.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> Message-ID: <1054139562.888221219860668251.JavaMail.root@mail-3.01.com> I'll be at Jefferson Tap at 7 tonight, if anyone would like to join me! ----- "Garrett Smith" wrote: > That's cool with me. Wednesday then? > > ----- "Brian Ray" wrote: > > > On Aug 26, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Garrett Smith wrote: > > > > > Who's up for a Chipy 'tweener meeting at Jefferson Tap - > > http://www.jeffersontap.com > > > - either this Wed (tomorrow) or Thurs? > > > > > > N0d, perhaps two of us :D > > > > Brian Ray > > bray at sent.com > > http://kazavoo.com/blog > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Aug 28 22:34:36 2008 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:34:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] web page content scraper In-Reply-To: References: <47FB7778.107@personnelware.com> <804e5c70804080654l2e5b955blce652c16d31161ad@mail.gmail.com> <1207664759.21429.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <48B70BDC.5010607@colorstudy.com> Pete wrote: > On Apr 9, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Adrian Holovaty wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Tom Printy >> wrote: >>> Wow this library is super cool. Anyone got slides or notes from the >>> talk? >> >> Hey, that's my library and was my talk. Note that the current version >> of templatemaker (on Google Code) is pretty "dumb" when dealing with >> HTML. >> >> Since that talk, I've developed a new one, based on lxml, that >> analyzes differences in the HTML trees. It's a *lot* better (I'd even >> call it *awesome*), but I haven't released it open-source yet. Stay >> tuned. > > Ian bicking wrote something similar IIRC, also based on lxml. If you're > both gonna be there, would you like to talk about them briefly? Anyone > want to speak for BeautifulSoup? I'm thinking just 5-10 minutes on each. I think that Adrian and my difference finders have very different motivations. Mine (in lxml.html.diff) is primarily for viewing changes to content, while trying to ignore most changes to the structure of a page. It is really intended to be used with content written by hand, typically in a WYSIWYG editor, where the text is intentional but other parts of the structure might not be entirely intentional (or at least not interesting). Adrian's is focused on machine-generated content, detecting interesting changes in generated pages so the underlying information can be extracted. Whether its written in BeautifulSoup or lxml probably wouldn't be terribly interesting -- both parse the HTML into some structure, and then we both deal with the structured data. In lxml.html.diff I actually invert the structure, where lxml (and etree) has text as attributes of the elements, I make the elements an attribute of the text. So it's hardly lxml, except for the fact that it is parsed by lxml. The same thing written with BeautifulSoup would look very similar. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org From warren.lindsey at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 23:07:39 2008 From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:07:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] web page content scraper Message-ID: <48b71394.0702d00a.4f12.4875@mx.google.com> That looks like you've got half of your talk laid out already. Good job! -----Original Message----- From: Ian Bicking Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:34 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] web page content scraper Pete wrote: > On Apr 9, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Adrian Holovaty wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Tom Printy >> wrote: >>> Wow this library is super cool. Anyone got slides or notes from the >>> talk? >> >> Hey, that's my library and was my talk. Note that the current version >> of templatemaker (on Google Code) is pretty "dumb" when dealing with >> HTML. >> >> Since that talk, I've developed a new one, based on lxml, that >> analyzes differences in the HTML trees. It's a *lot* better (I'd even >> call it *awesome*), but I haven't released it open-source yet. Stay >> tuned. > > Ian bicking wrote something similar IIRC, also based on lxml. If you're > both gonna be there, would you like to talk about them briefly? Anyone > want to speak for BeautifulSoup? I'm thinking just 5-10 minutes on each. I think that Adrian and my difference finders have very different motivations. Mine (in lxml.html.diff) is primarily for viewing changes to content, while trying to ignore most changes to the structure of a page. It is really intended to be used with content written by hand, typically in a WYSIWYG editor, where the text is intentional but other parts of the structure might not be entirely intentional (or at least not interesting). Adrian's is focused on machine-generated content, detecting interesting changes in generated pages so the underlying information can be extracted. Whether its written in BeautifulSoup or lxml probably wouldn't be terribly interesting -- both parse the HTML into some structure, and then we both deal with the structured data. In lxml.html.diff I actually invert the structure, where lxml (and etree) has text as attributes of the elements, I make the elements an attribute of the text. So it's hardly lxml, except for the fact that it is parsed by lxml. The same thing written with BeautifulSoup would look very similar. -- Ian Bicking : ianb at colorstudy.com : http://blog.ianbicking.org _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From carl at personnelware.com Fri Aug 29 19:58:11 2008 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:58:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] need room Message-ID: <48B838B3.8010105@personnelware.com> So who is gonna put up with us in Sep? Christopher - did you say there was a larger room/area we could use at IL? We could also go back to Jason's office (still hasn't moved) - I can bring a bit more of a screen so we don't have to tape paper together. anyone else? Carl K From cwebber at dustycloud.org Fri Aug 29 20:52:56 2008 From: cwebber at dustycloud.org (Christopher Allan Webber) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:52:56 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] need room In-Reply-To: <48B838B3.8010105@personnelware.com> (Carl Karsten's message of "Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:58:11 -0500") References: <48B838B3.8010105@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <87k5dz8xh3.fsf@dustycloud.org> I dunno, it was pretty cramped last time... I was pretty sure we scared away everyone from using our space again ;) The main workspace might be big enough... I dunno. I'd prefer that someone else provide this month, but I'll ask. Also, what about presenters? I'm pondering talking about the OpenMoko phone (a totally awesome Linux phone) and how to write python apps for phone calls, make SMS messages, using the integrated GPS, etc through the python D-Bus interface. I'm not 100% sure I'll be ready for that though.. I might want to delay that a month... I've only been playing with it for a couple of days so far, but thus far it's really exciting. Would there be interest in this topic? (By the way! Running Debian on your phone is totally, totally awesome. apt-get 4life, yo!) Carl Karsten writes: > So who is gonna put up with us in Sep? > > Christopher - did you say there was a larger room/area we could use at IL? > > We could also go back to Jason's office (still hasn't moved) - I can > bring a bit more of a screen so we don't have to tape paper together. > > anyone else? > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From pfein at pobox.com Fri Aug 29 22:26:55 2008 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:26:55 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] need room In-Reply-To: <87k5dz8xh3.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <48B838B3.8010105@personnelware.com> <87k5dz8xh3.fsf@dustycloud.org> Message-ID: On Aug 29, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Christopher Allan Webber wrote: > Also, what about presenters? I'm pondering talking about the OpenMoko > phone (a totally awesome Linux phone) and how to write python apps for > phone calls, make SMS messages, using the integrated GPS, etc through > the python D-Bus interface. I'm not 100% sure I'll be ready for that > though.. I might want to delay that a month... I've only been playing > with it for a couple of days so far, but thus far it's really > exciting. > Would there be interest in this topic? Sounds cool. I'd like to give a short talk ( 15 minutes ish, w/ questions) on why Chicago is so much better than NYC, with an emphasis on what Chipy does right that NYC Python UG doesn't. If that's not geeky enough, I could talk about Factory, a better partial: http://code.google.decenturl.com/python-factory class Factory(object): """Flexible function argument binding. Factory is a better U{partial}. U{See also} Users of older Pythons may know this pattern as currying: add2 = lambda x: x + 2 This class improves on partial in several ways: - safer, as invalid arguments are detected immediately, instead of call time - intelligent support for classes, instance methods & all other callables - bound arguments can be inspected as attributes - several convenient methods for (re)binding arguments - pickleable Or if we're short on speakers, I could do both. Or neither. Whatever. ;-) --Pete