From tcp at uchicago.edu  Tue Jan  2 16:24:48 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:24:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] dropping the ball and all
Message-ID: <7528320E-5008-4575-A99F-B88ACF9F791F@uchicago.edu>

Hey there Chipy peoples,

So, due to the creeping death and a whole bunch of work related  
whatever and...um, a flood, the black plague, avian flu, a stampede,  
aliens, and other highly creative excuses, I completely dropped the  
ball on getting anything done for the pycon bid.  I aim to change  
that real quick and will have the promised venue requirement info  
sheet posted as soon as I can spare a few minutes, which will  
probably be this evening.

-ted

-- 
Ted Pollari
Research Programmer
Department of Health Studies
The University of Chicago
tcp at uchicago.edu
773.834.0559




From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jan  2 16:45:47 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 09:45:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] dropping the ball and all
In-Reply-To: <7528320E-5008-4575-A99F-B88ACF9F791F@uchicago.edu>
References: <7528320E-5008-4575-A99F-B88ACF9F791F@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <459A7E2B.1070107@personnelware.com>

Ted Pollari wrote:
> Hey there Chipy peoples,
> 
> So, due to the creeping death and a whole bunch of work related  
> whatever and...um, a flood, the black plague, avian flu, a stampede,  
> aliens, and other highly creative excuses, I completely dropped the  
> ball on getting anything done for the pycon bid.  I aim to change  
> that real quick and will have the promised venue requirement info  
> sheet posted as soon as I can spare a few minutes, which will  
> probably be this evening.
> 
> -ted
> 

On the subject, I talked to a friend who works for a convention services 
company.  for what we are doing, it will be worth the effort to talk face to 
face with whoever it is we are getting rates from.  I will be talking to a guy 
who has done many of these negotiations about PyCon as soon as I get some 
numbers I can run by him to get some tips for how to wheel and deal.

So far I have 600 attendees and $150 reg fee.  which may be all there is. 
hoping to hear how many/how much $ can be committed to by whoever it is that 
will be committing.

Carl K

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 16:56:20 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:56:20 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] dropping the ball and all
In-Reply-To: <7528320E-5008-4575-A99F-B88ACF9F791F@uchicago.edu>
References: <7528320E-5008-4575-A99F-B88ACF9F791F@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0701020756p3a68b653s6b97ca9a8adfc983@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/2/07, Ted Pollari <tcp at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Hey there Chipy peoples,
>
> So, due to the creeping death and a whole bunch of work related
> whatever and...um, a flood, the black plague, avian flu, a stampede,
> aliens, and other highly creative excuses, I completely dropped the
> ball on getting anything done for the pycon bid.

Don't fret, this is a busy time for everyone.  Thanks for working it through.

Chris

From mtobis at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 17:08:34 2007
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:08:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] dropping the ball and all
In-Reply-To: <459A7E2B.1070107@personnelware.com>
References: <7528320E-5008-4575-A99F-B88ACF9F791F@uchicago.edu>
	<459A7E2B.1070107@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <c3aa55550701020808p460f8e12m57bebd059f3e55bb@mail.gmail.com>

The Dallas hotel had a room commitment; we can ask them but in my memory it
was something on the order of 200 rooms at $100 per night times four nights
or $80K. Since we are looking at an off season it seems not implausible that
we can get a comparable deal from a downtown hotel.

Of course we want it as late in the spring as PyCon will allow (for timing
reasons) and afford.

mt

On 1/2/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>
> Ted Pollari wrote:
> > Hey there Chipy peoples,
> >
> > So, due to the creeping death and a whole bunch of work related
> > whatever and...um, a flood, the black plague, avian flu, a stampede,
> > aliens, and other highly creative excuses, I completely dropped the
> > ball on getting anything done for the pycon bid.  I aim to change
> > that real quick and will have the promised venue requirement info
> > sheet posted as soon as I can spare a few minutes, which will
> > probably be this evening.
> >
> > -ted
> >
>
> On the subject, I talked to a friend who works for a convention services
> company.  for what we are doing, it will be worth the effort to talk face
> to
> face with whoever it is we are getting rates from.  I will be talking to a
> guy
> who has done many of these negotiations about PyCon as soon as I get some
> numbers I can run by him to get some tips for how to wheel and deal.
>
> So far I have 600 attendees and $150 reg fee.  which may be all there is.
> hoping to hear how many/how much $ can be committed to by whoever it is
> that
> will be committing.
>
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jan  2 17:27:23 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 10:27:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] dropping the ball and all
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	<c3aa55550701020808p460f8e12m57bebd059f3e55bb@mail.gmail.com>
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I was told at the meeting, but can't remember: what group is actually making the 
commitment?   I am sure it will help to get some sort of hand shake commitment 
from them so that anyone talking to a venue rep can be fairly certain of what 
can be committed to.  the more info the better.  Including me talking to Larry 
later this week.

This is kinda like trying to push 2 rubber hoses together.

Much like "what format to you want me to export as?"  "we can import many formats.'


Michael Tobis wrote:
> The Dallas hotel had a room commitment; we can ask them but in my memory it
> was something on the order of 200 rooms at $100 per night times four nights
> or $80K. Since we are looking at an off season it seems not implausible 
> that
> we can get a comparable deal from a downtown hotel.
> 
> Of course we want it as late in the spring as PyCon will allow (for timing
> reasons) and afford.
> 
> mt
> 
> On 1/2/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ted Pollari wrote:
>> > Hey there Chipy peoples,
>> >
>> > So, due to the creeping death and a whole bunch of work related
>> > whatever and...um, a flood, the black plague, avian flu, a stampede,
>> > aliens, and other highly creative excuses, I completely dropped the
>> > ball on getting anything done for the pycon bid.  I aim to change
>> > that real quick and will have the promised venue requirement info
>> > sheet posted as soon as I can spare a few minutes, which will
>> > probably be this evening.
>> >
>> > -ted
>> >
>>
>> On the subject, I talked to a friend who works for a convention services
>> company.  for what we are doing, it will be worth the effort to talk face
>> to
>> face with whoever it is we are getting rates from.  I will be talking 
>> to a
>> guy
>> who has done many of these negotiations about PyCon as soon as I get some
>> numbers I can run by him to get some tips for how to wheel and deal.
>>
>> So far I have 600 attendees and $150 reg fee.  which may be all there is.
>> hoping to hear how many/how much $ can be committed to by whoever it is
>> that
>> will be committing.
>>
>> Carl K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago mailing list
>> Chicago at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>>
> 
> 
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> 
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From tcp at uchicago.edu  Tue Jan  2 17:34:08 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:34:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] dropping the ball and all
In-Reply-To: <459A7E2B.1070107@personnelware.com>
References: <7528320E-5008-4575-A99F-B88ACF9F791F@uchicago.edu>
	<459A7E2B.1070107@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <161452A0-E89E-4CC3-A4BD-A3A06EFBAA36@uchicago.edu>


On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> So far I have 600 attendees and $150 reg fee.  which may be all  
> there is.
> hoping to hear how many/how much $ can be committed to by whoever  
> it is that
> will be committing.

I'm not sure if I followed that completely, but I think you're asking  
if the Python Software Foundation or anyone else bankrolls PyCon  
beyond what registration fees cover, right?

If so, the answer is, sorta... There are corporate sponsors, and  
looking at the 2006/2007 PyCon budget ( http:// 
spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pYkW9LgX8G5Pd-GMmhgYPHg ), the  
expected contribution from sponsors is ~30k and there'll be another  
~2k from tutorials, though some tutorial expenses will come out of that.

As for attendance, I'd say we should use 450 people as our rough  
number for budget purposes (and 600 as our minimum maximum for space  
purposes), and assume they're all registering at early-bird rates of  
$195 per person.  This will underestimate the revenue as many people  
do not jump in on the early-bird registration, but it may balance out  
if attendance for 2008 holds steady from 2006 (unlikely, but I tend  
to be conservative when it comes to budgets).  So, call it ~ $250- 
$260 per person in total budgeting.  Check out the pycon budget,  
above and the following for some details of the room reservation  
pattern/numbers we're likely to see.



For room-commitments -- numbers, dates/spread, here's the final info  
from 2006, from an email from Jeff Rush on the PyCon organizers list:
>
> In the contract we had allowed for a maximum of 870 room-nights and  
> we got
> 955, 85 more than expected,  To avoid a penalty we only had to book  
> 80% of
> 870 or 696, which we exceeded by 259 room-nights.
>
> Not bad!
>
>
>> As you know today is the Cut Off Date for your negotiated
>> sleeping room rate at our hotel.  I did want to give you
>> the final breakdown of reservations that were made at our
>> hotel.
>>
>
> Sun Feb 19:   2 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
> Mon Feb 20:   3 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
> Tue Feb 21:   6 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
> Wed Feb 22:  79 Rms Booked /  10 Rms Contracted
> Thu Feb 23: 201 Rms Booked / 250 Rms Contracted
> Fri Feb 24: 212 Rms Booked/  250 Rms Contracted
> Sat Feb 25: 206 Rms Booked / 250 Rms Contracted
> Sun Feb 26: 103 Rms Booked /  25 Rms Contracted
> Mon Feb 27:  56 Rms Booked /  25 Rms Contracted
> Tue Feb 28:  44 Rms Booked /  25 Rms Contracted
> Wed Mar 01:  33 Rms Booked /  10 Rms Contracted
> Thu Mar 02:  10 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
>
> Total Number of Group Rooms Booked: 955
> Total Number of Group Rooms Contracted: 870
> *** Congratulations you have meet your contracted Attrition ***
>
> For anyone who makes reservations after the deadline, the contract  
> states
> that *if* they have available rooms, they must offer them at the  
> conference
> rate.  However they are not required to *hold* room space for us  
> anymore.


For reference, the schedule was:

Wed Feb 22: Setup
Thu Feb 23: Tutorials
Fri Feb 24: Conference
Sat Feb 25: Conference
Sun Feb 26: Conference
Mon Feb 27:  sprints
Tue Feb 28:  sprints
Wed Mar 01: sprints
Thu Mar 02:  sprints




-- 
Ted Pollari
Research Programmer
Department of Health Studies
The University of Chicago
tcp at uchicago.edu
773.834.0559




From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jan  2 18:43:32 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:43:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] dropping the ball and all
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	<161452A0-E89E-4CC3-A4BD-A3A06EFBAA36@uchicago.edu>
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Ted Pollari wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> 
>> So far I have 600 attendees and $150 reg fee.  which may be all  
>> there is.
>> hoping to hear how many/how much $ can be committed to by whoever  
>> it is that
>> will be committing.
> 
> I'm not sure if I followed that completely, but I think you're asking  
> if the Python Software Foundation or anyone else bankrolls PyCon  
> beyond what registration fees cover, right?
> 
> If so, the answer is, sorta... There are corporate sponsors, and  
> looking at the 2006/2007 PyCon budget ( http:// 
> spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pYkW9LgX8G5Pd-GMmhgYPHg ), the  
> expected contribution from sponsors is ~30k and there'll be another  
> ~2k from tutorials, though some tutorial expenses will come out of that.
> 
> As for attendance, I'd say we should use 450 people as our rough  
> number for budget purposes (and 600 as our minimum maximum for space  
> purposes), and assume they're all registering at early-bird rates of  
> $195 per person.  This will underestimate the revenue as many people  
> do not jump in on the early-bird registration, but it may balance out  
> if attendance for 2008 holds steady from 2006 (unlikely, but I tend  
> to be conservative when it comes to budgets).  So, call it ~ $250- 
> $260 per person in total budgeting.  Check out the pycon budget,  
> above and the following for some details of the room reservation  
> pattern/numbers we're likely to see.
> 
> 
> 
> For room-commitments -- numbers, dates/spread, here's the final info  
> from 2006, from an email from Jeff Rush on the PyCon organizers list:
>> In the contract we had allowed for a maximum of 870 room-nights and  
>> we got
>> 955, 85 more than expected,  To avoid a penalty we only had to book  
>> 80% of
>> 870 or 696, which we exceeded by 259 room-nights.
>>
>> Not bad!
>>
>>
>>> As you know today is the Cut Off Date for your negotiated
>>> sleeping room rate at our hotel.  I did want to give you
>>> the final breakdown of reservations that were made at our
>>> hotel.
>>>
>> Sun Feb 19:   2 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
>> Mon Feb 20:   3 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
>> Tue Feb 21:   6 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
>> Wed Feb 22:  79 Rms Booked /  10 Rms Contracted
>> Thu Feb 23: 201 Rms Booked / 250 Rms Contracted
>> Fri Feb 24: 212 Rms Booked/  250 Rms Contracted
>> Sat Feb 25: 206 Rms Booked / 250 Rms Contracted
>> Sun Feb 26: 103 Rms Booked /  25 Rms Contracted
>> Mon Feb 27:  56 Rms Booked /  25 Rms Contracted
>> Tue Feb 28:  44 Rms Booked /  25 Rms Contracted
>> Wed Mar 01:  33 Rms Booked /  10 Rms Contracted
>> Thu Mar 02:  10 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
>>
>> Total Number of Group Rooms Booked: 955
>> Total Number of Group Rooms Contracted: 870
>> *** Congratulations you have meet your contracted Attrition ***
>>
>> For anyone who makes reservations after the deadline, the contract  
>> states
>> that *if* they have available rooms, they must offer them at the  
>> conference
>> rate.  However they are not required to *hold* room space for us  
>> anymore.
> 
> 
> For reference, the schedule was:
> 
> Wed Feb 22: Setup
> Thu Feb 23: Tutorials
> Fri Feb 24: Conference
> Sat Feb 25: Conference
> Sun Feb 26: Conference
> Mon Feb 27:  sprints
> Tue Feb 28:  sprints
> Wed Mar 01: sprints
> Thu Mar 02:  sprints
> 
> 

 >> *** Congratulations you have meet your contracted Attrition ***

That implies that someone signed a contract.  What I am looking for is 'Who will 
sign the contract this year?'  and what are they willing to sign...

The numbers posted will be handy too.

Carl K

From mtobis at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 18:50:00 2007
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:50:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] dropping the ball and all
In-Reply-To: <459A99C4.2040708@personnelware.com>
References: <7528320E-5008-4575-A99F-B88ACF9F791F@uchicago.edu>
	<459A7E2B.1070107@personnelware.com>
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The Python Software Foundation is the responsible legal entity and the buyer
iirc.

mt

On 1/2/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>
> Ted Pollari wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> >
> >> So far I have 600 attendees and $150 reg fee.  which may be all
> >> there is.
> >> hoping to hear how many/how much $ can be committed to by whoever
> >> it is that
> >> will be committing.
> >
> > I'm not sure if I followed that completely, but I think you're asking
> > if the Python Software Foundation or anyone else bankrolls PyCon
> > beyond what registration fees cover, right?
> >
> > If so, the answer is, sorta... There are corporate sponsors, and
> > looking at the 2006/2007 PyCon budget ( http://
> > spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pYkW9LgX8G5Pd-GMmhgYPHg ), the
> > expected contribution from sponsors is ~30k and there'll be another
> > ~2k from tutorials, though some tutorial expenses will come out of that.
> >
> > As for attendance, I'd say we should use 450 people as our rough
> > number for budget purposes (and 600 as our minimum maximum for space
> > purposes), and assume they're all registering at early-bird rates of
> > $195 per person.  This will underestimate the revenue as many people
> > do not jump in on the early-bird registration, but it may balance out
> > if attendance for 2008 holds steady from 2006 (unlikely, but I tend
> > to be conservative when it comes to budgets).  So, call it ~ $250-
> > $260 per person in total budgeting.  Check out the pycon budget,
> > above and the following for some details of the room reservation
> > pattern/numbers we're likely to see.
> >
> >
> >
> > For room-commitments -- numbers, dates/spread, here's the final info
> > from 2006, from an email from Jeff Rush on the PyCon organizers list:
> >> In the contract we had allowed for a maximum of 870 room-nights and
> >> we got
> >> 955, 85 more than expected,  To avoid a penalty we only had to book
> >> 80% of
> >> 870 or 696, which we exceeded by 259 room-nights.
> >>
> >> Not bad!
> >>
> >>
> >>> As you know today is the Cut Off Date for your negotiated
> >>> sleeping room rate at our hotel.  I did want to give you
> >>> the final breakdown of reservations that were made at our
> >>> hotel.
> >>>
> >> Sun Feb 19:   2 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
> >> Mon Feb 20:   3 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
> >> Tue Feb 21:   6 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
> >> Wed Feb 22:  79 Rms Booked /  10 Rms Contracted
> >> Thu Feb 23: 201 Rms Booked / 250 Rms Contracted
> >> Fri Feb 24: 212 Rms Booked/  250 Rms Contracted
> >> Sat Feb 25: 206 Rms Booked / 250 Rms Contracted
> >> Sun Feb 26: 103 Rms Booked /  25 Rms Contracted
> >> Mon Feb 27:  56 Rms Booked /  25 Rms Contracted
> >> Tue Feb 28:  44 Rms Booked /  25 Rms Contracted
> >> Wed Mar 01:  33 Rms Booked /  10 Rms Contracted
> >> Thu Mar 02:  10 Rms Booked /   0 Rms Contracted
> >>
> >> Total Number of Group Rooms Booked: 955
> >> Total Number of Group Rooms Contracted: 870
> >> *** Congratulations you have meet your contracted Attrition ***
> >>
> >> For anyone who makes reservations after the deadline, the contract
> >> states
> >> that *if* they have available rooms, they must offer them at the
> >> conference
> >> rate.  However they are not required to *hold* room space for us
> >> anymore.
> >
> >
> > For reference, the schedule was:
> >
> > Wed Feb 22: Setup
> > Thu Feb 23: Tutorials
> > Fri Feb 24: Conference
> > Sat Feb 25: Conference
> > Sun Feb 26: Conference
> > Mon Feb 27:  sprints
> > Tue Feb 28:  sprints
> > Wed Mar 01: sprints
> > Thu Mar 02:  sprints
> >
> >
>
> >> *** Congratulations you have meet your contracted Attrition ***
>
> That implies that someone signed a contract.  What I am looking for is
> 'Who will
> sign the contract this year?'  and what are they willing to sign...
>
> The numbers posted will be handy too.
>
> Carl K
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From tcp at uchicago.edu  Tue Jan  2 19:05:12 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:05:12 -0600
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On Jan 2, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:

> I was told at the meeting, but can't remember: what group is  
> actually making the
> commitment?

The Python Software Foundation will be the contract signer.   David  
Goodger <goodger at python.org> is our primary contact person and will  
be chairing (or co-chairing?) PyCon 2008.  The trend has been for one  
person from the local group to co-chair with the PSF person and thus  
that person would be the primary point of contact for the venue.


> I am sure it will help to get some sort of hand shake commitment
> from them so that anyone talking to a venue rep can be fairly  
> certain of what
> can be committed to.  the more info the better.  Including me  
> talking to Larry
> later this week.
> This is kinda like trying to push 2 rubber hoses together.
>
> Much like "what format to you want me to export as?"  "we can  
> import many formats.'

Agreed, but I'm sure we can put some fairly concrete numbers, mins  
and max together and can pretty solidly pull together an RFP for this  
event, based on the guidance from David, prior PyCons and all of the  
discussions on various webpages (referenced a number of times  
previously on list and on-wiki).


okay, so here's my first go at venue specifications/info (I'll clean  
it up and add it to the wiki later):



space requirements:

1 room/auditorium large enough for 600 people to meet in a theater  
style (prefereably a mix of theater and classroom, if the space is  
configurable, like a ballroom)
4 Meeting rooms: Three rooms with a total capacity approximately  
equal to that of the full assembly. One of these rooms may be the  
auditorium.
2 additional meeting rooms, 1 each for quiet space work and storage
Common area: A common area in which groups of attendees can  
informally meet and where conference registration can take place.  
Requires a number (4 or so) tables for registration.
-All/after hours work area access a big plus, else early AM to Late  
PM also okay.


network:

Simultaneous wireless connectivity MUST be available without  
additional cost to the attendees in ALL conference spaces with a  
service level agreement in place to ensure connectivity (individual  
rooms are not included in this line item)

Catering:
Currently the budget is ~$45 per day per person for conference day  
food and drink -- minimally, this should include lunch (with  
vegetarian and carnivore friendly options & beverage options) plus  
coffee, tea and water available at all times during the conference  
with some light snack in the mid-morning and mid-afternoon.   
Breakfast instead of the morning snack is a big plus, but not a  
requirement, depending on costs.


Conference Schedule & Room Commitment (per day):

For 2006 & 2007, the PSF agreed to a contract including 870 room  
nights to be held at the group rate, with more reservable as space  
allowed, and an 80% quota guaranteed by the PSF.  In actuality, for  
2006, 955 room nights were booked.  The following would be a possible  
breakdown for 2008 (almost identical to 2006):

Day 0: Arrival of organizers/Setup  15 rooms contracted/reserved
Day 1: Tutorials 				       250 rooms contracted/reserved	
Day 2: Conference    			       250 rooms contracted/reserved	
Day 3: Conference    			       250 rooms contracted/reserved	
Day 4: Conference    			       30 rooms contracted/reserved	
Day 5: Sprints    			      	       30 rooms contracted/reserved	
Day 6: Sprints    			      	       30 rooms contracted/reserved
Day 7: Sprints    			      	       30 rooms contracted/reserved
Day 8: Sprints    			      	       30 rooms contracted/reserved

for a total of 915 room-nights blocked out.



Thoughts:
If we decide to do this at a hotel and if room rates are too high  
(relative to local market conditions) and accessibility to other  
hotels is high (i.e. downtown), then we may face some difficulty in  
getting these rooms filled at the numbers listed above.  Dallas had  
the benefit that there really weren't easily accessible options that  
were significantly cheaper, so it was not a competitive market and  
most if not all attendees chose to stay at the venue hotel.


-ted



-- 
Ted Pollari
Research Programmer
Department of Health Studies
The University of Chicago
tcp at uchicago.edu
773.834.0559




From tcp at uchicago.edu  Tue Jan  2 19:09:23 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:09:23 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] dropping the ball and all
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On Jan 2, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Michael Tobis wrote:

> The Python Software Foundation is the responsible legal entity and  
> the buyer iirc.
>
> mt


Right.  The PSF signs the contracts.  David Goodger will be the chair  
of PyCon 2008 (and 2009?) and as per the tradition started with  
PyCons 2006&2007 in Dallas, it's likely that a local person co-chair  
and act as the immediate point of contact for the venue(s).

-ted


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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jan  2 19:15:24 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:15:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] dropping the ball and all
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Ted Pollari wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> 
>> I was told at the meeting, but can't remember: what group is  
>> actually making the
>> commitment?
> 
> The Python Software Foundation will be the contract signer.   David  
> Goodger <goodger at python.org> is our primary contact person and will  
> be chairing (or co-chairing?) PyCon 2008.  The trend has been for one  
> person from the local group to co-chair with the PSF person and thus  
> that person would be the primary point of contact for the venue.
> 
> 
>> I am sure it will help to get some sort of hand shake commitment
>> from them so that anyone talking to a venue rep can be fairly  
>> certain of what
>> can be committed to.  the more info the better.  Including me  
>> talking to Larry
>> later this week.
>> This is kinda like trying to push 2 rubber hoses together.
>>
>> Much like "what format to you want me to export as?"  "we can  
>> import many formats.'
> 
> Agreed, but I'm sure we can put some fairly concrete numbers, mins  
> and max together and can pretty solidly pull together an RFP for this  
> event, based on the guidance from David, prior PyCons and all of the  
> discussions on various webpages (referenced a number of times  
> previously on list and on-wiki).
> 
> 
> okay, so here's my first go at venue specifications/info (I'll clean  
> it up and add it to the wiki later):
> 
> 
> 
> space requirements:
> 
> 1 room/auditorium large enough for 600 people to meet in a theater  
> style (prefereably a mix of theater and classroom, if the space is  
> configurable, like a ballroom)
> 4 Meeting rooms: Three rooms with a total capacity approximately  
> equal to that of the full assembly. One of these rooms may be the  
> auditorium.
> 2 additional meeting rooms, 1 each for quiet space work and storage
> Common area: A common area in which groups of attendees can  
> informally meet and where conference registration can take place.  
> Requires a number (4 or so) tables for registration.
> -All/after hours work area access a big plus, else early AM to Late  
> PM also okay.
> 
> 
> network:
> 
> Simultaneous wireless connectivity MUST be available without  
> additional cost to the attendees in ALL conference spaces with a  
> service level agreement in place to ensure connectivity (individual  
> rooms are not included in this line item)
> 
> Catering:
> Currently the budget is ~$45 per day per person for conference day  
> food and drink -- minimally, this should include lunch (with  
> vegetarian and carnivore friendly options & beverage options) plus  
> coffee, tea and water available at all times during the conference  
> with some light snack in the mid-morning and mid-afternoon.   
> Breakfast instead of the morning snack is a big plus, but not a  
> requirement, depending on costs.
> 
> 
> Conference Schedule & Room Commitment (per day):
> 
> For 2006 & 2007, the PSF agreed to a contract including 870 room  
> nights to be held at the group rate, with more reservable as space  
> allowed, and an 80% quota guaranteed by the PSF.  In actuality, for  
> 2006, 955 room nights were booked.  The following would be a possible  
> breakdown for 2008 (almost identical to 2006):
> 
> Day 0: Arrival of organizers/Setup  15 rooms contracted/reserved
> Day 1: Tutorials 				       250 rooms contracted/reserved	
> Day 2: Conference    			       250 rooms contracted/reserved	
> Day 3: Conference    			       250 rooms contracted/reserved	
> Day 4: Conference    			       30 rooms contracted/reserved	
> Day 5: Sprints    			      	       30 rooms contracted/reserved	
> Day 6: Sprints    			      	       30 rooms contracted/reserved
> Day 7: Sprints    			      	       30 rooms contracted/reserved
> Day 8: Sprints    			      	       30 rooms contracted/reserved
> 
> for a total of 915 room-nights blocked out.
> 
> 
> 
> Thoughts:
> If we decide to do this at a hotel and if room rates are too high  
> (relative to local market conditions) and accessibility to other  
> hotels is high (i.e. downtown), then we may face some difficulty in  
> getting these rooms filled at the numbers listed above.  Dallas had  
> the benefit that there really weren't easily accessible options that  
> were significantly cheaper, so it was not a competitive market and  
> most if not all attendees chose to stay at the venue hotel.
> 
> 
> -ted
> 
> 
> 

Beautiful.  Now I can try to schedule a lunch with Larry the expert. :)  Anyone 
want to come along?  His office is in Des Plains (near o'hare, about a mile from 
90/Lee St exit.)

I'm normally in #chipy in irc.freenode.net

Carl K


From bray at sent.com  Fri Jan  5 18:23:43 2007
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:23:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations
Message-ID: <D29341F3-9C1C-4946-8364-FCC742F6264A@sent.com>


Happy 2007 everyone!

It's that time again.

Does anybody have a location where we can meet next Thursday?   
Meeting topics?

If you have something you might want to talk about but are not sure,  
speak up. It may be nice to get some feedback and plan for future  
meetings in 2007.

Unfortunately, I will have a commitment Thursday nights the first  
several months this year (Spring 2007 semester). Although, I do plan  
on helping with this January meeting. So, I am probably not the best  
person to organize these meetings.  Is anybody willing take the torch  
during my sabbatical?  The requirements are to send out the official  
notice, to make sure the wiki is consistent, and help resolve topics/ 
venues (feed the Chipmonk).  Ian was doing this for a while and I  
took over. I guess we call this the Marketing person.  I would like  
to pick it back up after my leave, if possible.

Kind Regards,

Brian Ray (http://kazavoo.com)




From tcp at uchicago.edu  Mon Jan  8 20:33:04 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:33:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations
In-Reply-To: <D29341F3-9C1C-4946-8364-FCC742F6264A@sent.com>
References: <D29341F3-9C1C-4946-8364-FCC742F6264A@sent.com>
Message-ID: <D58BA417-94F0-429C-97BF-F54F2409ECC8@uchicago.edu>


On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Brian Ray wrote:


>
> Does anybody have a location where we can meet next Thursday?
> Meeting topics?
>
> If you have something you might want to talk about but are not sure,
> speak up. It may be nice to get some feedback and plan for future
> meetings in 2007.
>

I'm thinking Carl and I may have some news to report/discuss about  
the status of the PyCon bid -- it really won't be much, however, and  
could probably be covered on list as well, though in person would  
totally be preferable.


> Unfortunately, I will have a commitment Thursday nights the first
> several months this year (Spring 2007 semester). Although, I do plan
> on helping with this January meeting. So, I am probably not the best
> person to organize these meetings.  Is anybody willing take the torch
> during my sabbatical?  The requirements are to send out the official
> notice, to make sure the wiki is consistent, and help resolve topics/
> venues (feed the Chipmonk).  Ian was doing this for a while and I
> took over. I guess we call this the Marketing person.  I would like
> to pick it back up after my leave, if possible.

Perhaps this is the time for a general head-count about meeting time  
(day/time of month), it being the new year and all.

Personally, Mon-Wed. tend to work better for me than Thursdays or  
Fridays, but that's just me.  Is everyone else still happy with  
Thursdays?

(Will I be flamed just for bringing this topic up?)

-ted







From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 15:00:36 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:00:36 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations
In-Reply-To: <D29341F3-9C1C-4946-8364-FCC742F6264A@sent.com>
References: <D29341F3-9C1C-4946-8364-FCC742F6264A@sent.com>
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On 1/5/07, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>
> Happy 2007 everyone!
>
> It's that time again.
>
> Does anybody have a location where we can meet next Thursday?
> Meeting topics?

Unfortunately, I can neither host nor attend this week.  I thought I
was going to be able to do both, but everything blew up in my face.
Everything!

Sorry folks.

Chris

From bray at sent.com  Tue Jan  9 16:29:45 2007
From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:29:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0701090600g350f9c2bv95b8be9cf60321d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D29341F3-9C1C-4946-8364-FCC742F6264A@sent.com>
	<3096c19d0701090600g350f9c2bv95b8be9cf60321d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1168356585.9978.1168359001@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Thanks for trying Chris.

Well, it sounds like we are going to have to drink this time. Monk's
Pub?

--Brian Ray (http://kazavoo.com)



From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jan  9 16:44:24 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:44:24 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations
In-Reply-To: <1168356585.9978.1168359001@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <D29341F3-9C1C-4946-8364-FCC742F6264A@sent.com>	<3096c19d0701090600g350f9c2bv95b8be9cf60321d@mail.gmail.com>
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bray at sent.com wrote:
> Thanks for trying Chris.
> 
> Well, it sounds like we are going to have to drink this time. Monk's
> Pub?

Can we get the school again?

From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu  Tue Jan  9 16:46:42 2007
From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:46:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations
References: <D29341F3-9C1C-4946-8364-FCC742F6264A@sent.com>
	<3096c19d0701090600g350f9c2bv95b8be9cf60321d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781565@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>

Probably DePaul can host but I need a date.
 
Massimo Di Pierro 
CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 
Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>  
Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/

________________________________

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Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 8:00 AM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations



On 1/5/07, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>
> Happy 2007 everyone!
>
> It's that time again.
>
> Does anybody have a location where we can meet next Thursday?
> Meeting topics?

Unfortunately, I can neither host nor attend this week.  I thought I
was going to be able to do both, but everything blew up in my face.
Everything!

Sorry folks.

Chris
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jan  9 17:06:41 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:06:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations
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References: <D29341F3-9C1C-4946-8364-FCC742F6264A@sent.com>	<3096c19d0701090600g350f9c2bv95b8be9cf60321d@mail.gmail.com>
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DiPierro, Massimo wrote:
> Probably DePaul can host but I need a date.

Thursday. January 11 2006. 7 pm.

Same as last month :)

>  
> Massimo Di Pierro 
> CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 
> Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>  
> Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Chris McAvoy
> Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 8:00 AM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/5/07, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>> Happy 2007 everyone!
>>
>> It's that time again.
>>
>> Does anybody have a location where we can meet next Thursday?
>> Meeting topics?
> 
> Unfortunately, I can neither host nor attend this week.  I thought I
> was going to be able to do both, but everything blew up in my face.
> Everything!
> 
> Sorry folks.
> 
> Chris
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From mtobis at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 17:16:06 2007
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:16:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dallas Pythoneers at the same time
Message-ID: <c3aa55550701090816w27875d5l1561880ebb865740@mail.gmail.com>

I'll try to be at the Dallas Pythoneers meeting at that exact moment, FWIW.

Any questions you folks think I should ask them re their PyCon experiences?

mt

On 1/9/07, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thursday. January 11 2006. 7 pm.
>
> Same as last month :)
>
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From tcp at uchicago.edu  Tue Jan  9 17:24:18 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:24:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dallas Pythoneers at the same time
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On Jan 9, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Michael Tobis wrote:

> I'll try to be at the Dallas Pythoneers meeting at that exact  
> moment, FWIW.
>
> Any questions you folks think I should ask them re their PyCon  
> experiences?
>
> mt


Personally, I feel like I've got a pretty good handle on their  
experience because they documented it so well and because there's  
been so much discussion on the PyCon organizers list... thank them  
for their excellent work though =)

-t

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From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu  Tue Jan  9 17:28:55 2007
From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:28:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations
References: <D29341F3-9C1C-4946-8364-FCC742F6264A@sent.com>	<3096c19d0701090600g350f9c2bv95b8be9cf60321d@mail.gmail.com>
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I will try.
 
Massimo Di Pierro 
CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 
Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>  
Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/

________________________________

From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Carl Karsten
Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 10:06 AM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations



DiPierro, Massimo wrote:
> Probably DePaul can host but I need a date.

Thursday. January 11 2006. 7 pm.

Same as last month :)

> 
> Massimo Di Pierro
> CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116
> Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu> 
> Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Chris McAvoy
> Sent: Tue 1/9/2007 8:00 AM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] Venue's and Presentations
>
>
>
> On 1/5/07, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
>> Happy 2007 everyone!
>>
>> It's that time again.
>>
>> Does anybody have a location where we can meet next Thursday?
>> Meeting topics?
>
> Unfortunately, I can neither host nor attend this week.  I thought I
> was going to be able to do both, but everything blew up in my face.
> Everything!
>
> Sorry folks.
>
> Chris
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Jan  9 17:38:16 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:38:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Dallas Pythoneers at the same time
In-Reply-To: <c3aa55550701090816w27875d5l1561880ebb865740@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c3aa55550701090816w27875d5l1561880ebb865740@mail.gmail.com>
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Michael Tobis wrote:
> I'll try to be at the Dallas Pythoneers meeting at that exact moment, FWIW.
> 
> Any questions you folks think I should ask them re their PyCon experiences?
> 

Hotel receipts from 2006 (for the conference stuff, not a room), and whatever 
contracts they have handy for 2007.  scans posted on the web is fine.

Carl K

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Wed Jan 10 23:53:59 2007
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:53:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January meeting
Message-ID: <45A56E87.8080501@colorstudy.com>

Did we figure anything out for January?  It's like, tomorrow.  Maybe we 
should cancel this month, unless everything is figured out Really Soon.


-- 
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org

From tcp at uchicago.edu  Thu Jan 11 00:04:07 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:04:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <45A56E87.8080501@colorstudy.com>
References: <45A56E87.8080501@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <A9FDE6D7-6609-4A7F-BAA7-A721807E3D12@uchicago.edu>


On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:

> Did we figure anything out for January?  It's like, tomorrow.   
> Maybe we
> should cancel this month, unless everything is figured out Really  
> Soon.
>

My inclination would be to suggest that we meet in a week or two, as  
we should have some PyCon stuff to talk about and it sounds like this  
week isn't good for many/most.

Thoughts?  How about a Tuesday if Thursdays suck for people?

-t



-- 
Ted Pollari
Research Programmer
Department of Health Studies
The University of Chicago
tcp at uchicago.edu
773.834.0559




From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu  Thu Jan 11 00:06:52 2007
From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:06:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January meeting
References: <45A56E87.8080501@colorstudy.com>
	<A9FDE6D7-6609-4A7F-BAA7-A721807E3D12@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781591@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>

I am unable to reserve a room. yesterday was too short notice.
 
Massimo
 
Massimo Di Pierro 
CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 
Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>  
Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/

________________________________

From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Ted Pollari
Sent: Wed 1/10/2007 5:04 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] January meeting




On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:

> Did we figure anything out for January?  It's like, tomorrow.  
> Maybe we
> should cancel this month, unless everything is figured out Really 
> Soon.
>

My inclination would be to suggest that we meet in a week or two, as 
we should have some PyCon stuff to talk about and it sounds like this 
week isn't good for many/most.

Thoughts?  How about a Tuesday if Thursdays suck for people?

-t



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Department of Health Studies
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From bray at sent.com  Thu Jan 11 16:42:34 2007
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:42:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <45A56E87.8080501@colorstudy.com>
References: <45A56E87.8080501@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <BAAB14C9-DE61-48D5-83AC-ABCC5E508882@sent.com>




On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:

> Did we figure anything out for January?  It's like, tomorrow.   
> Maybe we
> should cancel this month, unless everything is figured out Really  
> Soon.
>

Lets skip this month :(

Brian Ray
http://kazavoo.com


From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 16:53:33 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:53:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <BAAB14C9-DE61-48D5-83AC-ABCC5E508882@sent.com>
References: <45A56E87.8080501@colorstudy.com>
	<BAAB14C9-DE61-48D5-83AC-ABCC5E508882@sent.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0701110753v43325e56gb39e2eecfd4e11fc@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/11/07, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
> Lets skip this month :(

Cheer up Charlie...

How about you guys crash this:

"""
This Thursday the member of UFO-Chicago will gather at the Lodge House
(4229 W. Irving Park) for lively conversation about Linux and other
open-source projects and programs.  We get started at 8pm and the
meeting is free and open to all.

For more details and directions, please check out our website:

http://ufo.chicago.il.us/
"""

Or you could all crash the volunteer appreciation dinner the wife and
I are attending tonight.  I'll find out where it is and put it on the
wiki.  (I'm not actually going to do this, it's just a joke.)

Go Bears!

Chris

From Mari.McCabe at orbitz.com  Thu Jan 11 16:21:46 2007
From: Mari.McCabe at orbitz.com (McCabe, Mari)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:21:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Orbitz.com
Message-ID: <72D1700095C5CE4FA0C9C5202949F97CA71407@CHIRESEXC03.resource.corp.lcl>

Hi There,

I don't mean for this to be spam in any sense, but I just wanted to let
you all know that I work at Orbitz and we have a job opening for a
Python/Ruby/Java Engineer that has experience building testing
frameworks on distributed systems.  I won't take anymore of your time,
but if you are interested in learning more about this position please do
not hesitate to contact me.  

 

Sorry for the intrusion and have a great day!

 

Mari McCabe

Orbitz Recruiting

phone:  312-260-8232

fax:  501-694-2394

mari.mccabe at orbitz.com

 

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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Jan 11 17:02:44 2007
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:02:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <BAAB14C9-DE61-48D5-83AC-ABCC5E508882@sent.com>
References: <45A56E87.8080501@colorstudy.com>
	<BAAB14C9-DE61-48D5-83AC-ABCC5E508882@sent.com>
Message-ID: <45A65FA4.7050504@personnelware.com>

Brian Ray wrote:
> 
> 
> On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
> 
>> Did we figure anything out for January?  It's like, tomorrow.   
>> Maybe we
>> should cancel this month, unless everything is figured out Really  
>> Soon.
>>
> 
> Lets skip this month :(

At least lets skip today.  I feel like dirt.

I would like to 'anounce' that anyone doing anything for pycon08 should contact 
Ted or me before doing any more.  here, email, #chipy, whatever.

> 
> Brian Ray
> http://kazavoo.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> 
> 

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 12 03:03:49 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:03:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: [Board] Speakers
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70701111735r67ca0f17r1a0b0fa86539b7b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d76512f0607162208p717821a9qcb0f57ec6bd8bde@mail.gmail.com>
	<4826.131.193.35.151.1168535797.squirrel@esamir.com>
	<49d805d70701111735r67ca0f17r1a0b0fa86539b7b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0701111803n6fd2ad4es14b1684631496e70@mail.gmail.com>

The UIC LUG is putting together a conference, they're looking for speakers...

Chris

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com>
Date: Jan 11, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: [Board] Speakers
To: "Chicago.pm chatter" <chicago-talk at pm.org>


I've attached info about a conference that UIC LUG is trying to put
together... thought some of you might be interested in speaking or at
least attending.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Samir Faci <samir at esamir.com>
Date: Jan 11, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: [Board] Speakers
To: board at luni.org


Hello Everyone,

   I'm not sure if everyone is aware but the UIC lug is trying to setup a
conference for open source and free software (beer or otherwise).  We
have google coming but we need more speakers both technical and from a
business perspective.

I was wondering if anyone had any contacts they could furnish me for
speakers.  It doesn't particularly have to be a local contact though local
to Chicago would be preferred.

I know many of you that initially wanted to get involved with Ubber Fest
have more contacts in the open source community, if anyone knows anyone
that maybe  interested in speaking, please let me know.

--
Regards,

Samir Faci

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Jan 16 22:32:09 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:32:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2008 contender in San Francisco...
Message-ID: <17837.17497.913277.116150@montanaro.dyndns.org>


FYI:

    http://wiki.python.org/moin/SanFrancisco

Skip

From cbc at unc.edu  Thu Jan 18 06:20:24 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 00:20:24 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Zope 3 Boot Camp registration open
Message-ID: <45AF0398.7060600@unc.edu>

ChiPy:

This is an announcement from your sister Python group in North Carolina.

We're bringing a very big Zope 3 Boot Camp to the U.S. March 10-13, 2007:

http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/camp5/

We hope some of you can participate. At least one member of ChiPy is 
having expenses sponsored to the sprint following this event.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From fawad at fawad.net  Thu Jan 25 18:41:54 2007
From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:41:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago] Django frontend Interface
Message-ID: <39214.72.54.28.250.1169746914.squirrel@home.fawad.net>

Hi all,
  Several moons ago, Adrian demonstrated a django app he had written that
generated a nicely hyperlinked view of the data by reflecting on the
model specification. Does anyone know what happened to that and whether
it was released anywhere?

-fawad


From MSheetz at psclistens.com  Thu Jan 25 20:09:30 2007
From: MSheetz at psclistens.com (MSheetz at psclistens.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:09:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python opportunity
Message-ID: <OFD83BC6F3.53469A4F-ON8625726E.0068F173-8625726E.00693D32@psclistens.com>



We are still looking for someone with experience in Python development.
The client is looking for someone with Python development experience and a
plus if your experience has Ruby, PHP, Postgre SQL and Javascript.  From
what I understand this is one of the most innovative and cutting edge web
environments out there today.  We are open to either hire someone on perm
with our company or a straight contract.  This is a high level position and
pay will reflect that.  This position is ours and is just a matter of
putting someone onsight.  The client is located in Evanston and we are
located in Schaumburg.  As a full time employee you would receive a
competitive salary, overtime pay for hours billed over 40, year end
bonuses, annual reviews with raises, paid for education and certifications,
an aggressive career path and our full range of benefits.  Please forward
me a copy of your resume, salary requirements and availability for
immediate consideration.  Thanks.
_______________________________________________
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From shekay at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 22:45:41 2007
From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:45:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
Message-ID: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>

I thought maybe I should bring up this thread now in case someone
would like to ask in advance to reserve a meeting room at DePaul,
unless we can go to Chris's house to see him program his gaming
console.

-- 
sheila

From s-githens at northwestern.edu  Thu Jan 25 22:51:15 2007
From: s-githens at northwestern.edu (Steven Githens)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:51:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45B92653.10605@northwestern.edu>

Do some consoles really have Python bindings?  (Or is this more of a 
using Linux on Consoles to do the development?)

-Steve

sheila miguez wrote:
> I thought maybe I should bring up this thread now in case someone
> would like to ask in advance to reserve a meeting room at DePaul,
> unless we can go to Chris's house to see him program his gaming
> console.
>
>   


From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 23:40:48 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:40:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
In-Reply-To: <45B92653.10605@northwestern.edu>
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
	<45B92653.10605@northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0701251440wffd247dw9068483d209d6b98@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/25/07, Steven Githens <s-githens at northwestern.edu> wrote:
> Do some consoles really have Python bindings?  (Or is this more of a
> using Linux on Consoles to do the development?)

Sort of...on the Xbox 360, Microsoft released a framework for building
games.  It's called XNA.  They want you to develop games with C#, but
people have been able to build basic hello world programs on the
framework using IronPython.  I don't know if anyone has compiled an
XNA anything written in IronPython for the 360 though.

It's all pretty exciting...

Chris

From andrew at humanized.com  Thu Jan 25 23:41:22 2007
From: andrew at humanized.com (Andrew Wilson)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:41:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
Message-ID: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, ChiPy,

Meet Enso. (http://www.humanized.com/).

Humanized uses Python. Because we love Python. And Enso is built on Python.
And Enso is cool.

So....shameless plug.

See y'all later!
-- Andrew Wilson
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 00:13:02 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:13:02 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0701251513s81d0c67r3d4516e7476aec9@mail.gmail.com>

Also totally plugged in the Wallstreet Journal and Slashdot.

Good work guys.

Chris

On 1/25/07, Andrew Wilson <andrew at humanized.com> wrote:
> Hello, ChiPy,
>
> Meet Enso. (http://www.humanized.com/).
>
> Humanized uses Python. Because we love Python. And Enso is built on Python.
> And Enso is cool.
>
> So....shameless plug.
>
> See y'all later!
> -- Andrew Wilson
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>

From tcp at uchicago.edu  Fri Jan 26 00:21:13 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:21:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>


On Jan 25, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Andrew Wilson wrote:

> Hello, ChiPy,
>
> Meet Enso. (http://www.humanized.com/).
>
> Humanized uses Python. Because we love Python. And Enso is built on  
> Python. And Enso is cool.
>
> So....shameless plug.
>
> See y'all later!
> -- Andrew Wilson

Andrew and everyone else @ Humanized-

Congratulations on the release -- it looks like a good way to make  
the windows UI experience more enjoyable... So, how long until that  
python interface is made available so that one can extend Enso  
themselves?  I mean, any excuse to use more python, right?

-ted



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From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 00:23:33 2007
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:23:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <694c06d60701251523t7f907be6m16db398feb955ddb@mail.gmail.com>

This is a damned cool program.

Yeah, immediately thought: I want a python console with the "Enso"
look and feel.

Give now.

Thank you.

On 1/25/07, Ted Pollari <tcp at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Andrew Wilson wrote:
> Hello, ChiPy,
>
> Meet Enso. (http://www.humanized.com/).
>
> Humanized uses Python. Because we love Python. And Enso is built on Python.
> And Enso is cool.
>
> So....shameless plug.
>
> See y'all later!
> -- Andrew Wilson
>
> Andrew and everyone else @ Humanized-
>
> Congratulations on the release -- it looks like a good way to make the
> windows UI experience more enjoyable... So, how long until that python
> interface is made available so that one can extend Enso themselves?  I mean,
> any excuse to use more python, right?
>
>
> -ted
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
>

From tcp at uchicago.edu  Fri Jan 26 00:35:25 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:35:25 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <421B7574-6976-41B5-A906-0C0B6332D0A6@uchicago.edu>


On Jan 25, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Ted Pollari wrote:

> Andrew and everyone else @ Humanized-
>
> Congratulations on the release -- it looks like a good way to make  
> the windows UI experience more enjoyable... So, how long until that  
> python interface is made available so that one can extend Enso  
> themselves?  I mean, any excuse to use more python, right?
>
> -ted


Oh, and thought number 2 (it's been a slow day)...

How about the lot of you come down and present Enso (and as much of  
the inner workings as you're willing to show us) at the next ChiPy  
meeting?  It seems like a great topic (to me at least).

-t
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From varmaa at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 00:37:32 2007
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:37:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <694c06d60701251523t7f907be6m16db398feb955ddb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>
	<694c06d60701251523t7f907be6m16db398feb955ddb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <361b27370701251537w2586ff21j956d21c4ee0ecf59@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/25/07, Brantley Harris <deadwisdom at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a damned cool program.
>
> Yeah, immediately thought: I want a python console with the "Enso"
> look and feel.
>
> Give now.
>
> Thank you.

As Jono said on the tour movie on our website: soon!  This is actually
something we really want to do, because we've been using it for
development ourselves.  And with Enso, you don't actually *need* a
python console, because you can select text anywhere and run an
"evaluate as python" command... So you can essentially instantly turn
notepad, gmail, a blog comment text field, whatever into a python
console.  Add to that things like a "run doctests" command that runs
doctests on your selected text... You get the idea.

Not sure if anyone remembers, but when I gave my presentation on SCons
to ChiPy last year, I presented an example of using SCons to create a
SWIG'd Python module that exposed Windows' layered windowing
functionality to Python.  Someone at the presentation asked, "so have
you actually found a *use* for those layered windows?"

Yeah... we did. :)

- Atul

From varmaa at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 00:39:34 2007
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <421B7574-6976-41B5-A906-0C0B6332D0A6@uchicago.edu>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>
	<421B7574-6976-41B5-A906-0C0B6332D0A6@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <361b27370701251539r458c54a8le42d702feab582ba@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/25/07, Ted Pollari <tcp at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Oh, and thought number 2 (it's been a slow day)...
>
> How about the lot of you come down and present Enso (and as much of the
> inner workings as you're willing to show us) at the next ChiPy meeting?  It
> seems like a great topic (to me at least).

Just mentioned this to everyone here at Humanized and we'd love to do
that, if others are interested.

- Atul

From shekay at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 01:32:05 2007
From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:32:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <361b27370701251539r458c54a8le42d702feab582ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>
	<421B7574-6976-41B5-A906-0C0B6332D0A6@uchicago.edu>
	<361b27370701251539r458c54a8le42d702feab582ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640701251632r1fbe079bo6c95a92573d950b7@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/25/07, Atul Varma <varmaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/25/07, Ted Pollari <tcp at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> > Oh, and thought number 2 (it's been a slow day)...
> >
> > How about the lot of you come down and present Enso (and as much of the
> > inner workings as you're willing to show us) at the next ChiPy meeting?  It
> > seems like a great topic (to me at least).
>
> Just mentioned this to everyone here at Humanized and we'd love to do
> that, if others are interested.

I would enjoy the talk.


-- 
sheila

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Fri Jan 26 01:59:21 2007
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:59:21 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640701251632r1fbe079bo6c95a92573d950b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>	<C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>	<421B7574-6976-41B5-A906-0C0B6332D0A6@uchicago.edu>	<361b27370701251539r458c54a8le42d702feab582ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701251632r1fbe079bo6c95a92573d950b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45B95269.1080503@colorstudy.com>

sheila miguez wrote:
> On 1/25/07, Atul Varma <varmaa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/25/07, Ted Pollari <tcp at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>> Oh, and thought number 2 (it's been a slow day)...
>>>
>>> How about the lot of you come down and present Enso (and as much of the
>>> inner workings as you're willing to show us) at the next ChiPy meeting?  It
>>> seems like a great topic (to me at least).
>> Just mentioned this to everyone here at Humanized and we'd love to do
>> that, if others are interested.
> 
> I would enjoy the talk.

I second it, thus forming a quorum and it is so decided, as described in 
the ChiPy bylaws.


(ChiPy is so wiki we don't even have to edit the wiki to change the 
bylaws, or even create bylaws, they just come into being spontaneously 
upon reference)

-- 
Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org

From shekay at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 02:17:29 2007
From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:17:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <45B95269.1080503@colorstudy.com>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>
	<421B7574-6976-41B5-A906-0C0B6332D0A6@uchicago.edu>
	<361b27370701251539r458c54a8le42d702feab582ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701251632r1fbe079bo6c95a92573d950b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<45B95269.1080503@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640701251717m1c65035erb4d31297fa67faf8@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/25/07, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
> sheila miguez wrote:

> I second it, thus forming a quorum and it is so decided, as described in
> the ChiPy bylaws.
>
>
> (ChiPy is so wiki we don't even have to edit the wiki to change the
> bylaws, or even create bylaws, they just come into being spontaneously
> upon reference)

(we have spontaneous bylaw and anti-bylaw creation)


Where shall the talk take place?

-- 
sheila

From maney at two14.net  Fri Jan 26 13:44:59 2007
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 06:44:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640701251717m1c65035erb4d31297fa67faf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>
	<421B7574-6976-41B5-A906-0C0B6332D0A6@uchicago.edu>
	<361b27370701251539r458c54a8le42d702feab582ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701251632r1fbe079bo6c95a92573d950b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<45B95269.1080503@colorstudy.com>
	<a68ced640701251717m1c65035erb4d31297fa67faf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070126124459.GA17703@furrr.two14.net>

On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 07:17:29PM -0600, sheila miguez wrote:
> On 1/25/07, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
> > sheila miguez wrote:

> > (ChiPy is so wiki we don't even have to edit the wiki to change the
> > bylaws, or even create bylaws, they just come into being spontaneously
> > upon reference)
> 
> (we have spontaneous bylaw and anti-bylaw creation)

That's sort of like swizzling pointers on reference, but not quite,
innit?

(yeah, last ditch put-off-leaving-for-work ploy, about to end in
departure, inevitable, at-least-it's-Friday)

-- 
If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of
exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an
idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps
it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into
the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess
himself of it.  -- Thomas Jefferson


From MSheetz at psclistens.com  Fri Jan 26 16:24:09 2007
From: MSheetz at psclistens.com (MSheetz at psclistens.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:24:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0701251440wffd247dw9068483d209d6b98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OFA7E0DD2B.E6DFE4A7-ON8625726F.00546D1D-8625726F.0054998D@psclistens.com>


Chris,

I have sent out a need for someone with Python.  The client is located in
Evanston but the position would be a full time position with us, PSC.  They
want someone with Python development experience and a plus to have PHP,
Ruby, Javascript, etc.  The environment is very dynamic and cutting edge.
On a long term basis our company has an average tenure of over 7 years and
constantly retools our consultants skill sets.  Would you be open to
discuss?  If so, is there a number I could reach you at or could you call
me at the information below?
_______________________________________________
Mark Sheetz
Staffing Specialist
PSC Group, LLC., Schaumburg Office
1051 Perimeter Drive, Suite 500, Schaumburg, IL 60173-5833
Office ( (847) 517 7200 x454 Cell ( (630) 677 5306 Fax 7 (847) 517 7600
* MSheetz at psclistens.com - www.psclistens.com - It's all in the way we
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On 1/25/07, Steven Githens <s-githens at northwestern.edu> wrote:
> Do some consoles really have Python bindings?  (Or is this more of a
> using Linux on Consoles to do the development?)

Sort of...on the Xbox 360, Microsoft released a framework for building
games.  It's called XNA.  They want you to develop games with C#, but
people have been able to build basic hello world programs on the
framework using IronPython.  I don't know if anyone has compiled an
XNA anything written in IronPython for the 360 though.

It's all pretty exciting...

Chris
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From shekay at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 16:27:04 2007
From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:27:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
In-Reply-To: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/25/07, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought maybe I should bring up this thread now in case someone
> would like to ask in advance to reserve a meeting room at DePaul,
> unless we can go to Chris's house to see him program his gaming
> console.

Following up to myself...

Would we like to ask Massimo to reserve a room for us for 2/9 for one
or more person from Enso to speak?

(will anyone speak up for a different day and risk the wrath of Thor?)

-- 
sheila

From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu  Fri Jan 26 16:31:41 2007
From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:31:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816AB@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>

There should be no problem. will confirm today.
 
Massimo Di Pierro 
CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 
Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>  
Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/

________________________________

From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of sheila miguez
Sent: Fri 1/26/2007 9:27 AM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place



On 1/25/07, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought maybe I should bring up this thread now in case someone
> would like to ask in advance to reserve a meeting room at DePaul,
> unless we can go to Chris's house to see him program his gaming
> console.

Following up to myself...

Would we like to ask Massimo to reserve a room for us for 2/9 for one
or more person from Enso to speak?

(will anyone speak up for a different day and risk the wrath of Thor?)

--
sheila
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



From deadwisdom at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 16:46:15 2007
From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:46:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Enso: A Shameless Plug
In-Reply-To: <45B95269.1080503@colorstudy.com>
References: <c1b1d8150701251441s1c41e3c4l9d47fc26feef4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<C276A1D3-8663-475F-BB5A-4DD514D205E5@uchicago.edu>
	<421B7574-6976-41B5-A906-0C0B6332D0A6@uchicago.edu>
	<361b27370701251539r458c54a8le42d702feab582ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701251632r1fbe079bo6c95a92573d950b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<45B95269.1080503@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <694c06d60701260746h48bdb6f7q9c8b1807737cfc74@mail.gmail.com>

I hadn't connected "wiki" and anarchy until now.  Good work.

On 1/25/07, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
> (ChiPy is so wiki we don't even have to edit the wiki to change the
> bylaws, or even create bylaws, they just come into being spontaneously
> upon reference)

From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu  Fri Jan 26 20:16:33 2007
From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:16:33 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816B3@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>

Are you sure about the data. 2/9 is Friday?
 
Massimo
 
Massimo Di Pierro 
CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 
Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>  
Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/

________________________________

From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of sheila miguez
Sent: Fri 1/26/2007 9:27 AM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place



On 1/25/07, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought maybe I should bring up this thread now in case someone
> would like to ask in advance to reserve a meeting room at DePaul,
> unless we can go to Chris's house to see him program his gaming
> console.

Following up to myself...

Would we like to ask Massimo to reserve a room for us for 2/9 for one
or more person from Enso to speak?

(will anyone speak up for a different day and risk the wrath of Thor?)

--
sheila
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 20:23:10 2007
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:23:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
In-Reply-To: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816B3@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816B3@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0701261123mbb74e5dpd53535ddfbc4d334@mail.gmail.com>

You're right, the ninth is a typo (I'm totally speaking for Sheila,
sorry Sheila).

The next meeting would be February 8th.  Thanks Massimo!

Chris

On 1/26/07, DiPierro, Massimo <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Are you sure about the data. 2/9 is Friday?
>
> Massimo
>
> Massimo Di Pierro
> CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116
> Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of sheila miguez
> Sent: Fri 1/26/2007 9:27 AM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place
>
>
>
> On 1/25/07, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought maybe I should bring up this thread now in case someone
> > would like to ask in advance to reserve a meeting room at DePaul,
> > unless we can go to Chris's house to see him program his gaming
> > console.
>
> Following up to myself...
>
> Would we like to ask Massimo to reserve a room for us for 2/9 for one
> or more person from Enso to speak?
>
> (will anyone speak up for a different day and risk the wrath of Thor?)
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From shekay at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 20:40:15 2007
From: shekay at gmail.com (sheila miguez)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:40:15 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0701261123mbb74e5dpd53535ddfbc4d334@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816B3@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<3096c19d0701261123mbb74e5dpd53535ddfbc4d334@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a68ced640701261140p5b7958d3kc239d0e62731c49b@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry about the typo, I didn't mean to confuse anyone. I was looking
at my Monday-printed-first calender and didn't realize it.

On 1/26/07, Chris McAvoy <chris.mcavoy at gmail.com> wrote:
> You're right, the ninth is a typo (I'm totally speaking for Sheila,
> sorry Sheila).
>
> The next meeting would be February 8th.  Thanks Massimo!
>
> Chris
>
> On 1/26/07, DiPierro, Massimo <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > Are you sure about the data. 2/9 is Friday?
> >
> > Massimo
> >
> > Massimo Di Pierro
> > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116
> > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of sheila miguez
> > Sent: Fri 1/26/2007 9:27 AM
> > To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/25/07, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I thought maybe I should bring up this thread now in case someone
> > > would like to ask in advance to reserve a meeting room at DePaul,
> > > unless we can go to Chris's house to see him program his gaming
> > > console.
> >
> > Following up to myself...
> >
> > Would we like to ask Massimo to reserve a room for us for 2/9 for one
> > or more person from Enso to speak?
> >
> > (will anyone speak up for a different day and risk the wrath of Thor?)
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>


-- 
sheila

From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu  Sat Jan 27 19:25:08 2007
From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:25:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com><a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com><6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816B3@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<3096c19d0701261123mbb74e5dpd53535ddfbc4d334@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816CF@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>

I am trying to reserve the room but no confirmation yet. I don't see problems but I cannot confirm until Monday.

Massimo

Massimo Di Pierro 
CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 
Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu 
Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/



-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Chris McAvoy
Sent: Fri 1/26/2007 1:23 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place
 
You're right, the ninth is a typo (I'm totally speaking for Sheila,
sorry Sheila).

The next meeting would be February 8th.  Thanks Massimo!

Chris

On 1/26/07, DiPierro, Massimo <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu> wrote:
> Are you sure about the data. 2/9 is Friday?
>
> Massimo
>
> Massimo Di Pierro
> CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116
> Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of sheila miguez
> Sent: Fri 1/26/2007 9:27 AM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place
>
>
>
> On 1/25/07, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought maybe I should bring up this thread now in case someone
> > would like to ask in advance to reserve a meeting room at DePaul,
> > unless we can go to Chris's house to see him program his gaming
> > console.
>
> Following up to myself...
>
> Would we like to ask Massimo to reserve a room for us for 2/9 for one
> or more person from Enso to speak?
>
> (will anyone speak up for a different day and risk the wrath of Thor?)
>
> --
> sheila
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
_______________________________________________
Chicago mailing list
Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago


From racter at gmail.com  Sat Jan 27 22:12:44 2007
From: racter at gmail.com (jake elliott)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:12:44 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
In-Reply-To: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816CF@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816B3@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<3096c19d0701261123mbb74e5dpd53535ddfbc4d334@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816CF@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <fb60813e0701271312y63acb555mc0c94e84ce5e2501@mail.gmail.com>

always welcome at Daisychain in case depaul doesn't work out!

<3,
jake

On 1/27/07, DiPierro, Massimo <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu> wrote:
> I am trying to reserve the room but no confirmation yet. I don't see problems but I cannot confirm until Monday.
>
> Massimo
>
> Massimo Di Pierro
> CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116
> Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu
> Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Chris McAvoy
> Sent: Fri 1/26/2007 1:23 PM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place
>
> You're right, the ninth is a typo (I'm totally speaking for Sheila,
> sorry Sheila).
>
> The next meeting would be February 8th.  Thanks Massimo!
>
> Chris
>
> On 1/26/07, DiPierro, Massimo <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > Are you sure about the data. 2/9 is Friday?
> >
> > Massimo
> >
> > Massimo Di Pierro
> > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116
> > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of sheila miguez
> > Sent: Fri 1/26/2007 9:27 AM
> > To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/25/07, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I thought maybe I should bring up this thread now in case someone
> > > would like to ask in advance to reserve a meeting room at DePaul,
> > > unless we can go to Chris's house to see him program his gaming
> > > console.
> >
> > Following up to myself...
> >
> > Would we like to ask Massimo to reserve a room for us for 2/9 for one
> > or more person from Enso to speak?
> >
> > (will anyone speak up for a different day and risk the wrath of Thor?)
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From tottinge at gmail.com  Sun Jan 28 19:10:29 2007
From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:10:29 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
In-Reply-To: <fb60813e0701271312y63acb555mc0c94e84ce5e2501@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816B3@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<3096c19d0701261123mbb74e5dpd53535ddfbc4d334@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816CF@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<fb60813e0701271312y63acb555mc0c94e84ce5e2501@mail.gmail.com>
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What time of day are the meetings, and how many people tend to show up?
I've been lurking for a while, but might like to attend an actual meet.
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From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu  Mon Jan 29 22:37:37 2007
From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:37:37 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com><a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com><6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816B3@haydn.cti.depaul.edu><3096c19d0701261123mbb74e5dpd53535ddfbc4d334@mail.gmail.com><6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816CF@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<fb60813e0701271312y63acb555mc0c94e84ce5e2501@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816F4@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>

OK we have a room, not the nice room we had last time but the computer lab on the 4th floor CTI (243 S Wabash). 2/8 at 7pm.
 
Massimo
 
Massimo Di Pierro 
CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 
Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>  
Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/

________________________________

From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of jake elliott
Sent: Sat 1/27/2007 3:12 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place



always welcome at Daisychain in case depaul doesn't work out!

<3,
jake

On 1/27/07, DiPierro, Massimo <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu> wrote:
> I am trying to reserve the room but no confirmation yet. I don't see problems but I cannot confirm until Monday.
>
> Massimo
>
> Massimo Di Pierro
> CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116
> Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu
> Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Chris McAvoy
> Sent: Fri 1/26/2007 1:23 PM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place
>
> You're right, the ninth is a typo (I'm totally speaking for Sheila,
> sorry Sheila).
>
> The next meeting would be February 8th.  Thanks Massimo!
>
> Chris
>
> On 1/26/07, DiPierro, Massimo <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > Are you sure about the data. 2/9 is Friday?
> >
> > Massimo
> >
> > Massimo Di Pierro
> > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116
> > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of sheila miguez
> > Sent: Fri 1/26/2007 9:27 AM
> > To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Chicago] February meeting place
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/25/07, sheila miguez <shekay at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I thought maybe I should bring up this thread now in case someone
> > > would like to ask in advance to reserve a meeting room at DePaul,
> > > unless we can go to Chris's house to see him program his gaming
> > > console.
> >
> > Following up to myself...
> >
> > Would we like to ask Massimo to reserve a room for us for 2/9 for one
> > or more person from Enso to speak?
> >
> > (will anyone speak up for a different day and risk the wrath of Thor?)
> >
> > --
> > sheila
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
_______________________________________________
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Chicago at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago



From tcp at uchicago.edu  Mon Jan 29 22:55:39 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:55:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
In-Reply-To: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816F4@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com><a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com><6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816B3@haydn.cti.depaul.edu><3096c19d0701261123mbb74e5dpd53535ddfbc4d334@mail.gmail.com><6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816CF@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<fb60813e0701271312y63acb555mc0c94e84ce5e2501@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816F4@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <E71EC3EA-FC3B-4704-A9D9-16BE2FD1BD00@uchicago.edu>


On Jan 29, 2007, at 3:37 PM, DiPierro, Massimo wrote:

> OK we have a room, not the nice room we had last time but the  
> computer lab on the 4th floor CTI (243 S Wabash). 2/8 at 7pm.
>
> Massimo


A room is a room =)  Thanks for hooking us up with a meeting place,  
Massimo.

Humanized crew, are you on board for that meeting?


-t



From varmaa at gmail.com  Tue Jan 30 18:16:49 2007
From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:16:49 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] February meeting place
In-Reply-To: <E71EC3EA-FC3B-4704-A9D9-16BE2FD1BD00@uchicago.edu>
References: <a68ced640701251345m7c6fd736o3e6ebd62a4211679@mail.gmail.com>
	<a68ced640701260727j5529504fjbd1e0fd9b5b0f63@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816B3@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<3096c19d0701261123mbb74e5dpd53535ddfbc4d334@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816CF@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<fb60813e0701271312y63acb555mc0c94e84ce5e2501@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F4047816F4@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<E71EC3EA-FC3B-4704-A9D9-16BE2FD1BD00@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <361b27370701300916h468922c2re5c468f9dee82bfa@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/29/07, Ted Pollari <tcp at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Humanized crew, are you on board for that meeting?

Yes, we're good to go.  Will there be a projector there?  It's not a
requirement, but it would be helpful.

- Atul

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Jan 31 00:29:03 2007
From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:29:03 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] FYI - wireless networking at PyCon
Message-ID: <17855.54463.496741.814638@montanaro.dyndns.org>

Saw this checkin to the Python wiki and thought those here investigating the
2008 bid from Chicago might be interested:

>>   Networking
>>   ----------
...  
>> + 
>> + **New:**
>> + For PyCon 2007, we are planning to purchase and deploy our own
>> + wireless networking equipment.  The hotel is supplying jacks and
>> + bandwidth only.  We expect to handle our own wireless from now on.

Skip

From tcp at uchicago.edu  Wed Jan 31 00:48:39 2007
From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:48:39 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] FYI - wireless networking at PyCon
In-Reply-To: <17855.54463.496741.814638@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <17855.54463.496741.814638@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <8A1796CB-657A-4B42-AE58-F6C016E82B0F@uchicago.edu>


On Jan 30, 2007, at 5:29 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote:

> Saw this checkin to the Python wiki and thought those here  
> investigating the
> 2008 bid from Chicago might be interested:


Thanks -- yeah, we've been following the wireless setup (and  
participating to a greater or lesser degree).   Hopefully it'll go  
smoothly...  It'll certainly be a learning experience for all involved.

-ted




From mtobis at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 16:28:22 2007
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:28:22 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems?
Message-ID: <c3aa55550701310728u5b4de22dtbb656b0ab9f473aa@mail.gmail.com>

Jeff Elkner passed on a request from a Naperville teacher to put her in
contact with anyone teaching Python as a formal course at the high school
level.

If anyone knows of anything like this currently happening in the Chicago
Metro area or nearby, please let me know and I'll pass it along.

mt
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From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu  Wed Jan 31 16:55:10 2007
From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:55:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems?
References: <c3aa55550701310728u5b4de22dtbb656b0ab9f473aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>

I teach python at university level (ipd362 ad DePaul Institute for Professional Development).
I would be happy to talk to him.
 
Massimo
 
Massimo Di Pierro 
CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 
Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>  
Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/

________________________________

From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Michael Tobis
Sent: Wed 1/31/2007 9:28 AM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems?


Jeff Elkner passed on a request from a Naperville teacher to put her in contact with anyone teaching Python as a formal course at the high school level.

If anyone knows of anything like this currently happening in the Chicago Metro area or nearby, please let me know and I'll pass it along. 

mt



From cstejerean at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 21:54:10 2007
From: cstejerean at gmail.com (Cosmin Stejerean)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:54:10 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems?
In-Reply-To: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
References: <c3aa55550701310728u5b4de22dtbb656b0ab9f473aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
Message-ID: <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be surprised if any do. Most high schools that teach Computer
Science tend to have an AP Computer Science course, which has to be in
Java, and potentially a regular CS course which is meant to attract a
larger crowd and as such was traditionally restricted to VB (I would
get C# or VB.NET would also be good candidates) so that folks can
easily throw together pretty GUIs and write Tic-Tac-Toe.

I think one of the challenges of teaching CS courses in high school to
folks that don't want to pursue CS as a major is making the course
interesting. With a RAD tool like VB is easy for everyone to throw
together a nice app that can do something they like. With something
like Python that might be harder to do (Tkinter or WxPython
anyone???).

Although I don't teach Python, I have a couple of
suggestions/suggestions for Python course at a high school level that
I'd like to share.

Regards,

Cosmin Stejerean

On 1/31/07, DiPierro, Massimo <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu> wrote:
> I teach python at university level (ipd362 ad DePaul Institute for Professional Development).
> I would be happy to talk to him.
>
> Massimo
>
> Massimo Di Pierro
> CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116
> Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Michael Tobis
> Sent: Wed 1/31/2007 9:28 AM
> To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems?
>
>
> Jeff Elkner passed on a request from a Naperville teacher to put her in contact with anyone teaching Python as a formal course at the high school level.
>
> If anyone knows of anything like this currently happening in the Chicago Metro area or nearby, please let me know and I'll pass it along.
>
> mt
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>

From chipy at holovaty.com  Wed Jan 31 22:02:06 2007
From: chipy at holovaty.com (Adrian Holovaty)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:02:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Django frontend Interface
In-Reply-To: <39214.72.54.28.250.1169746914.squirrel@home.fawad.net>
References: <39214.72.54.28.250.1169746914.squirrel@home.fawad.net>
Message-ID: <200701311502.06715.chipy@holovaty.com>

Fawad Halim wrote:
>   Several moons ago, Adrian demonstrated a django app he had written that
> generated a nicely hyperlinked view of the data by reflecting on the
> model specification. Does anyone know what happened to that and whether
> it was released anywhere?

That app is called Databrowse, and it's not available to the public yet. I've 
gotten sidetracked with about a half a billion other things... :)

I have no ETA in mind, and I can't share the current code just yet. Hopefully 
it'll get rolled into Django proper some time in the near future.

Adrian

From goodmansond at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 22:09:30 2007
From: goodmansond at gmail.com (DeanG)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:09:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems?
In-Reply-To: <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c3aa55550701310728u5b4de22dtbb656b0ab9f473aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5c6a5400701311309l132671d6mca4f399ad69acf6a@mail.gmail.com>

>
I think one of the challenges of teaching CS courses in high school to
folks that don't want to pursue CS as a major is making the course
interesting. With a RAD tool like VB is easy for everyone to throw
together a nice app that can do something they like. With something
like Python that might be harder to do (Tkinter or WxPython
anyone???).
>
Agile is straightforward in Python. Desktop RAD is straightfoward in *BASIC.
And with the massive IT momentum of VB shops it's cinched.

Poland chose REALbasic  http://realsoftware.com/news/pr/2006/poland/

From mtobis at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 22:11:07 2007
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:11:07 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems?
In-Reply-To: <276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c3aa55550701310728u5b4de22dtbb656b0ab9f473aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c3aa55550701311311h262cc80bra80986f92d073e84@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I (and at least one other person on this list) will be attending the
education sig at PyCon, and would be happy to hear from you about this.

It is definitely replacing the VB stuff that we are after. It is a
pedagogical disaster to teach kids that, and any C/Java variant is hardly
better. Dijkstra is rolling in his grave.

We can cross the Java bridge at a later date.

mt

On 1/31/07, Cosmin Stejerean <cstejerean at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd be surprised if any do. Most high schools that teach Computer
> Science tend to have an AP Computer Science course, which has to be in
> Java, and potentially a regular CS course which is meant to attract a
> larger crowd and as such was traditionally restricted to VB (I would
> get C# or VB.NET would also be good candidates) so that folks can
> easily throw together pretty GUIs and write Tic-Tac-Toe.
>
> I think one of the challenges of teaching CS courses in high school to
> folks that don't want to pursue CS as a major is making the course
> interesting. With a RAD tool like VB is easy for everyone to throw
> together a nice app that can do something they like. With something
> like Python that might be harder to do (Tkinter or WxPython
> anyone???).
>
> Although I don't teach Python, I have a couple of
> suggestions/suggestions for Python course at a high school level that
> I'd like to share.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cosmin Stejerean
>
> On 1/31/07, DiPierro, Massimo <MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu> wrote:
> > I teach python at university level (ipd362 ad DePaul Institute for
> Professional Development).
> > I would be happy to talk to him.
> >
> > Massimo
> >
> > Massimo Di Pierro
> > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604
> > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116
> > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu <mailto:mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu>
> > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Michael Tobis
> > Sent: Wed 1/31/2007 9:28 AM
> > To: The Chicago Python Users Group
> > Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems?
> >
> >
> > Jeff Elkner passed on a request from a Naperville teacher to put her in
> contact with anyone teaching Python as a formal course at the high school
> level.
> >
> > If anyone knows of anything like this currently happening in the Chicago
> Metro area or nearby, please let me know and I'll pass it along.
> >
> > mt
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago mailing list
> > Chicago at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
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From mtobis at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 23:15:56 2007
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:15:56 -0600
Subject: [Chicago] Python in local school systems?
In-Reply-To: <f5c6a5400701311309l132671d6mca4f399ad69acf6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c3aa55550701310728u5b4de22dtbb656b0ab9f473aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F40478170A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu>
	<276266d0701311254t45e67607p530a0d62d66e1bd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<f5c6a5400701311309l132671d6mca4f399ad69acf6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c3aa55550701311415p354b3121q9b00e34acacec643@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see why IT momentum should have anything to do with teaching logical
thinking to people who probably aren't going to be professional programmers.
Pretty UIs are not computer literacy any more than Excel spreadsheets are.

Skills are transient. Develop intelligence and you can acquire skills as
needed. High school should be about education, at least as much as about
skills.

Teaching "Java" or "BASIC" or "Python" to great masses of high school
students is silly. Most jobs require no coding. Marketable skills should be
taught in college, not in high school.

Using programming to teach ideas is not at all silly. It is the original
idea of computer literacy. Maybe the schools never really understood this
very well, but that is no reason to let the matter drop.

You need a language to teach the sorts of ideas that constitute
programming.  Logical thinking is the goal. Python is a better platform for
teaching the student how to think than BASIC or Java, for somewhat different
reasons. In both cases comes down to the fact that ultimately there is a lot
less distraction. In Python you start thinking about the ideas immediately.
You aren't constantly distracted by the language.

mt

On 1/31/07, DeanG <goodmansond at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> I think one of the challenges of teaching CS courses in high school to
> folks that don't want to pursue CS as a major is making the course
> interesting. With a RAD tool like VB is easy for everyone to throw
> together a nice app that can do something they like. With something
> like Python that might be harder to do (Tkinter or WxPython
> anyone???).
> >
> Agile is straightforward in Python. Desktop RAD is straightfoward in
> *BASIC.
> And with the massive IT momentum of VB shops it's cinched.
>
> Poland chose REALbasic  http://realsoftware.com/news/pr/2006/poland/
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago mailing list
> Chicago at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
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From jafo at tummy.com  Wed Jan 31 03:35:39 2007
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:35:39 -0700
Subject: [Chicago]  FYI - wireless networking at PyCon
Message-ID: <20070131023539.GL8175@tummy.com>

>Saw this checkin to the Python wiki and thought those here investigating the
>2008 bid from Chicago might be interested:
>
>>>   Networking
>>>   ----------
>...  
>>> + 
>>> + **New:**
>>> + For PyCon 2007, we are planning to purchase and deploy our own
>>> + wireless networking equipment.  The hotel is supplying jacks and
>>> + bandwidth only.  We expect to handle our own wireless from now on.

Just FYI, that is the plan but it won't be until after the 2007 PyCon that
we know if it works.  My stance is that it would be hard to be worse than
2006, but maybe it'll fall totally flat.  So don't go counting your
chickens before March, but if all goes even close to plan, the PSF will
have hardware to deploy it's own wireless infrastructure in future years.

Or almost all of it.  tummy.com will be providing the Linux box that NATs
traffic out to the hotel network and does DHCP and the like.  There isn't
money in the budget for the PSF to purchase that this year.

Thanks,
Sean
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Sean Reifschneider, Member of Technical Staff <jafo at tummy.com>
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