From samir.list at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 20:36:02 2007 From: samir.list at gmail.com (Samir Faci) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Flourish Conference Reminder Message-ID: <1e6142750704011136m3e5672c4m50fd0aecc1fd2d46@mail.gmail.com> I just wanted to remind everyone that the Chicago Flourish Conference is coming up this weekend. Friday, April 6th and Saturday April 7th. If you are planning on attending be sure to mark you calendars and be sure to register on the website. The main website should have information on how to get to the conference, if you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact me. Registration opens at 8 am, the presentations will be begin at 10 am on both Friday and Saturday. Don't forget to check out the hack-a-thon and come join us after the even at IBM's HQ for the post-flourish social. -- Samir Faci UIC LUG President ---- Blog extract from main website -- Question to the world of Free and Open Source Software: What are my prospects when I graduate? As many of you know by now, for the last few months here at UIC*, we - the ACM* and g/LUG*,- have been eagerly working to put together a conference to discus FLOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) as an engine of innovation. The Flourish Conf. will take place next 6-7 of April at the University of Illinois at Chicago. I am a self confessed gnu/Linux user, I love gnu/Linux, free software and even open source - sorry RMS!. I am also a CS student at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and curiously enough, even though most of our curricula is done in Unix - we even have 2 RedHat labs here, - it appears as if none of the big players within FLOSS ever come to hire at UIC. Why is that Microsoft comes here semester after semester snatching some of the most brilliant students on campus? Yet, I have yet to see FLOSS big players to come out here looking for people. These has made me wonder: Is there a professional future in FLOSS? .... ... and I know I'm not alone in my wonders. To answer these questions, we have invited quite a few of really smart people from different organizations: Google, IBM, Red Hat, and the FSF, and we are going to have a a chance to hear about the opportunities that FLOSS has to offer for our future. We will have two panels, a talk on GPL v3, a talk on Google's contribution and use of FLOSS, among many other really interesting talks, etc. We have also put together a series of technical talks on FLOSS related technologies and topics, and a couple other really interesting activities to give attendees a chance to meet and to be met: Friday's Social mixer, and Saturday's Hack-a-Thon. This is not only going to be a great time for students around Chicago, this is going to be a great chance for community members, and companies to come together and explore how FLOSS is shaping up our future! Come and join us! Roberto C. Serrano g/LUG @ UIC vice-president -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070401/739ef08d/attachment.html From varmaa at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 17:47:07 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:47:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation Message-ID: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, As some of you may know, PyPy just hit 1.0. I've been following the project for a bit, am pretty fascinated by it, and am interested in learning more about it so that I can give a coherent presentation about it at the next ChiPy meeting. I'm thinking that the presentation would focus both on what PyPy actually is, as well as on ways that PyPy can be useful for you right now (i.e., not only of interest as a CS work). Thoughts? If anyone else is really experienced with PyPy and would like to give a presentation, I'd be happy to step aside. - Atul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070402/c65b0d82/attachment.htm From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 17:50:30 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:50:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation In-Reply-To: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0704020850p9124e58hb344a1bddf6f0b74@mail.gmail.com> I'm very interested in the talk. Are DePaul or Google available for the meeting next Thursday? (Not a question for you Atul, just throwing it out there.) Chris On 4/2/07, Atul Varma wrote: > Hi all, > > As some of you may know, PyPy just hit 1.0. I've been following the > project for a bit, am pretty fascinated by it, and am interested in > learning more about it so that I can give a coherent presentation > about it at the next ChiPy meeting. I'm thinking that the > presentation would focus both on what PyPy actually is, as well as on > ways that PyPy can be useful for you right now (i.e., not only of > interest as a CS work). > > Thoughts? If anyone else is really experienced with PyPy and would > like to give a presentation, I'd be happy to step aside. > > - Atul > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From rc.dillenburg at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 18:02:41 2007 From: rc.dillenburg at gmail.com (Russell Dillenburg) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:02:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0704020850p9124e58hb344a1bddf6f0b74@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0704020850p9124e58hb344a1bddf6f0b74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <408c01040704020902y6d55d77k359c0aa2ff11dc14@mail.gmail.com> any ridesharing from northfield/skokie area? On 4/2/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > I'm very interested in the talk. Are DePaul or Google available for > the meeting next Thursday? (Not a question for you Atul, just > throwing it out there.) > > Chris > > On 4/2/07, Atul Varma wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As some of you may know, PyPy just hit 1.0. I've been following the > > project for a bit, am pretty fascinated by it, and am interested in > > learning more about it so that I can give a coherent presentation > > about it at the next ChiPy meeting. I'm thinking that the > > presentation would focus both on what PyPy actually is, as well as on > > ways that PyPy can be useful for you right now (i.e., not only of > > interest as a CS work). > > > > Thoughts? If anyone else is really experienced with PyPy and would > > like to give a presentation, I'd be happy to step aside. > > > > - Atul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070402/cbe8722a/attachment.html From ed at leafe.com Mon Apr 2 18:03:04 2007 From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:03:04 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation In-Reply-To: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <609919D8-EF73-4B12-B56A-760A86285099@leafe.com> On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Atul Varma wrote: > Thoughts? If anyone else is really experienced with PyPy and would > like to give a presentation, I'd be happy to step aside. Maybe you should form a ChiPyPy group. ;-) -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com From elt22ys at surewest.net Sun Apr 1 23:18:33 2007 From: elt22ys at surewest.net (Ted &Ellen Hovanec) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:18:33 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] With Love from the Back of the Yards of Chicagoi Message-ID: <000501c774a3$4e988c60$97b04e41@D2TLR671> Has anyone heard of this book by Sonny Street? It was put out a few years ago by Author House!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070401/0452b49b/attachment.htm From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Mon Apr 2 18:08:00 2007 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:08:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PhD position. References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0704020850p9124e58hb344a1bddf6f0b74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781BBC@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> I have some money to fund a PhD student in CS working on "Visualization for Lattice QCD" and startingin fall. I am looking for an excellent C++ and Python programmer. If you are interest talk to me ASAP. Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ From rcriii at ramsdells.net Mon Apr 2 18:27:33 2007 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (rcriii at ramsdells.net) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation In-Reply-To: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17751.12.20.83.70.1175531253.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> +1 to this talk. I'm thinking that the > presentation would focus both on what PyPy actually is, as well as on > ways that PyPy can be useful for you right now (i.e., not only of > interest as a CS work). Absolutely. The project is fascinating, but I ahve no idea whether it is relevant to my work. Ed L: Wouldn't it be PyChiPy? Robert From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Mon Apr 2 18:18:53 2007 From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (johnnnnnnn) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:18:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation In-Reply-To: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1DC033AC-3B98-4C54-9001-A57C55600C4A@phaedrusdeinus.org> On Apr 2, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Atul Varma wrote: > As some of you may know, PyPy just hit 1.0. I've heard that the 1.0 release is a largely funding-based, not feature-based. That is, 1.0 doesn't yet imply production-ready or feature-stable. Is that based in reality or just ugly rumor? > Thoughts? If anyone else is really experienced with PyPy and would > like to give a presentation, I'd be happy to step aside. I'm +1 for this. -johnnnnnn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070402/794717a7/attachment.html From damien at grassart.com Mon Apr 2 19:00:16 2007 From: damien at grassart.com (Damien Grassart) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:00:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation In-Reply-To: <1DC033AC-3B98-4C54-9001-A57C55600C4A@phaedrusdeinus.org> References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> <1DC033AC-3B98-4C54-9001-A57C55600C4A@phaedrusdeinus.org> Message-ID: <461136A0.6010505@grassart.com> johnnnnnnn wrote: > I've heard that the 1.0 release is a largely funding-based, not > feature-based. That is, 1.0 doesn't yet imply production-ready or > feature-stable. Is that based in reality or just ugly rumor? I've heard the same thing... but even if it's not ready to replace CPython, it sounds really interesting. I'd love to hear a talk on it. -Damien From pfein at pobox.com Mon Apr 2 19:17:38 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:17:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation In-Reply-To: <1DC033AC-3B98-4C54-9001-A57C55600C4A@phaedrusdeinus.org> References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> <1DC033AC-3B98-4C54-9001-A57C55600C4A@phaedrusdeinus.org> Message-ID: <200704021217.39211.pfein@pobox.com> On Monday April 2 2007 11:18 am, johnnnnnnn wrote: > On Apr 2, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Atul Varma wrote: > > As some of you may know, PyPy just hit 1.0. > > I've heard that the 1.0 release is a largely funding-based, not > feature-based. That is, 1.0 doesn't yet imply production-ready or > feature-stable. Is that based in reality or just ugly rumor? Really looks that way. They're reasonably up front about it, without actually coming out and saying "our sponsors want a 1.0". Props to the EU for funding this though. PyPy looks really cool, but it's not going to be ReadyForTheEnterprise for quite a while yet - I'd guess at least 2 years, to be honest. if-only-my-work-estimates-were-as-good-ly yours, --Pete -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From emperorcezar at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 19:21:04 2007 From: emperorcezar at gmail.com (Adam Jenkins) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:21:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation In-Reply-To: <200704021217.39211.pfein@pobox.com> References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> <1DC033AC-3B98-4C54-9001-A57C55600C4A@phaedrusdeinus.org> <200704021217.39211.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <58a5f2220704021021t4ae93275vad752f51d2f5a9c3@mail.gmail.com> It seemed to me that they had filled out their feature list and this was why they went 1.0 Stability might be an issue, but it was noted that one of the reasons it's not production ready because none of the extensions are completed. I could easily be wrong because I know very little about the project other than what I read. On 4/2/07, Pete wrote: > On Monday April 2 2007 11:18 am, johnnnnnnn wrote: > > On Apr 2, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Atul Varma wrote: > > > As some of you may know, PyPy just hit 1.0. > > > > I've heard that the 1.0 release is a largely funding-based, not > > feature-based. That is, 1.0 doesn't yet imply production-ready or > > feature-stable. Is that based in reality or just ugly rumor? > > Really looks that way. They're reasonably up front about it, without actually > coming out and saying "our sponsors want a 1.0". Props to the EU for funding > this though. > > PyPy looks really cool, but it's not going to be ReadyForTheEnterprise for > quite a while yet - I'd guess at least 2 years, to be honest. > > if-only-my-work-estimates-were-as-good-ly yours, > --Pete > > -- > Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com > http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B > irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- --------------------------------------- Adam Jenkins emperorcezar at gmail.com 312-399-5161 --------------------------------------- From fitz at red-bean.com Mon Apr 2 20:30:38 2007 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:30:38 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hosting the meeting for April (was Re: PyPy Presentation) Message-ID: On 4/2/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > I'm very interested in the talk. Are DePaul or Google available for > the meeting next Thursday? (Not a question for you Atul, just > throwing it out there.) I can host at Google again if folks are interested, but I'd be more than happy if someone else wants to host. -Fitz From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 23:23:32 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:23:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hosting the meeting for April (was Re: PyPy Presentation) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3096c19d0704021423i13060690qfdcaeec7cd0c114e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/2/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > I can host at Google again if folks are interested, but I'd be more > than happy if someone else wants to host. Our funky filter stopped the message I sent a few hours ago that asked if anyone else out there wanted to host a meeting. Google has been a great place to meet, but it's a good thing to share the love. If anyone else would like to host, speak up. Depaul is out this semester, as our in there is teaching a class on Thursday nights. I can't host at Performics anymore, as I no longer work there. Chris "lazily organizing" McAvoy From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 16:39:11 2007 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation Message-ID: <236187.36922.qm@web34802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> +1 - Feihong Atul Varma wrote: > Hi all, > > As some of you may know, PyPy just hit 1.0. I've been following the > project for a bit, am pretty fascinated by it, and am interested in > learning more about it so that I can give a coherent presentation > about it at the next ChiPy meeting. I'm thinking that the > presentation would focus both on what PyPy actually is, as well as > on ways that PyPy can be useful for you right now (i.e., not only > of interest as a CS work). > > Thoughts? If anyone else is really experienced with PyPy and would > like to give a presentation, I'd be happy to step aside. > > - Atul ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 17:01:14 2007 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] Presentation on Boo or Declaratice programming for Windows Forms Message-ID: <122680.3127.qm@web34806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was thinking about preparing a presentation on Boo in the context of Microsoft's XNA game development framework, but I haven't had time to look into XNA yet. However, if people are interested, I could give a short introduction to Boo (Boo is a statically compiled language for .NET and Mono that has Python-like syntax). In the past month I've had to do a lot of GUI development, and I created my own library for Windows Forms that uses a declarative syntax similar to the Breve template engine. Basically, the syntax for a form (frame) could be written as a single expression: Form[ # Text box that takes up all available space in the middle: TextBox(Dock=DockStyle.Fill, Name='content'), # Button panel at the top: HBox(Dock=DockStyle.Top)[ Button(Text='Open'), Button(Text='Save'), ], # List box at the bottom: ListBox(Dock=DockStyle.Bottom, Name='sections')[ 'section 1', 'section 2', 'section 3', ], ] The above is pure Python syntax that you could just paste into the interactive interpreter. I don't know how readable that is to people who don't do GUI programming, but it's a heck of a lot better than the normal API for Windows Forms. Personally, I don't want to go into Windows Forms too much unless people wanted that. I would mostly just talk about how I implemented the library so that people could do the same thing for other GUI libraries like PyGTK and wxPython. - Feihong ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail From varmaa at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 17:27:02 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:27:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Presentation on Boo or Declaratice programming for Windows Forms In-Reply-To: <122680.3127.qm@web34806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <122680.3127.qm@web34806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <361b27370704030827ubde6661ub2dc96a27c78c2d6@mail.gmail.com> Sounds interesting--I'd like to hear more. wxPython is a big pain for me and your solution looks a lot simpler. +1 - Atul On 4/3/07, Feihong Hsu wrote: > > I was thinking about preparing a presentation on Boo in the context > of Microsoft's XNA game development framework, but I haven't had time > to look into XNA yet. However, if people are interested, I could > give a short introduction to Boo (Boo is a statically compiled > language for .NET and Mono that has Python-like syntax). > > > In the past month I've had to do a lot of GUI development, and I > created my own library for Windows Forms that uses a declarative > syntax similar to the Breve template engine. Basically, the syntax > for a form (frame) could be written as a single expression: > > Form[ > # Text box that takes up all available space in the middle: > TextBox(Dock=DockStyle.Fill, Name='content'), > > # Button panel at the top: > HBox(Dock=DockStyle.Top)[ > Button(Text='Open'), > Button(Text='Save'), > ], > > # List box at the bottom: > ListBox(Dock=DockStyle.Bottom, Name='sections')[ > 'section 1', > 'section 2', > 'section 3', > ], > ] > > The above is pure Python syntax that you could just paste into the > interactive interpreter. I don't know how readable that is to people > who don't do GUI programming, but it's a heck of a lot better than > the normal API for Windows Forms. > > Personally, I don't want to go into Windows Forms too much unless > people wanted that. I would mostly just talk about how I implemented > the library so that people could do the same thing for other GUI > libraries like PyGTK and wxPython. > > - Feihong > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070403/b1d70bd0/attachment.html From tottinge at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 17:37:53 2007 From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:37:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Presentation on Boo or Declaratice programming for Windows Forms In-Reply-To: <122680.3127.qm@web34806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <122680.3127.qm@web34806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's not normal python syntax, it has some syntax with a name or method call followed by []-enclosed expressions. What is that? I *wish* I could be at the Boo presentation. On 4/3/07, Feihong Hsu wrote: > > I was thinking about preparing a presentation on Boo in the context > of Microsoft's XNA game development framework, but I haven't had time > to look into XNA yet. However, if people are interested, I could > give a short introduction to Boo (Boo is a statically compiled > language for .NET and Mono that has Python-like syntax). > > > In the past month I've had to do a lot of GUI development, and I > created my own library for Windows Forms that uses a declarative > syntax similar to the Breve template engine. Basically, the syntax > for a form (frame) could be written as a single expression: > > Form[ > # Text box that takes up all available space in the middle: > TextBox(Dock=DockStyle.Fill, Name='content'), > > # Button panel at the top: > HBox(Dock=DockStyle.Top)[ > Button(Text='Open'), > Button(Text='Save'), > ], > > # List box at the bottom: > ListBox(Dock=DockStyle.Bottom, Name='sections')[ > 'section 1', > 'section 2', > 'section 3', > ], > ] > > The above is pure Python syntax that you could just paste into the > interactive interpreter. I don't know how readable that is to people > who don't do GUI programming, but it's a heck of a lot better than > the normal API for Windows Forms. > > Personally, I don't want to go into Windows Forms too much unless > people wanted that. I would mostly just talk about how I implemented > the library so that people could do the same thing for other GUI > libraries like PyGTK and wxPython. > > - Feihong > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070403/a33797de/attachment.htm From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 17:39:04 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:39:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation In-Reply-To: <17751.12.20.83.70.1175531253.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> <17751.12.20.83.70.1175531253.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> Message-ID: +1 Yeah I'd be interested in this talk simply because everything I've read about pypy (not a lot) has left me utterly bewildered as to WHY someone would want to create such a thing (unless I completely missed the point, which is very possible). But I also don't see much value in the concept of .Net so it would be great if someone could talk about these ideas at a higher level. -Kumar On 4/2/07, rcriii at ramsdells.net wrote: > +1 to this talk. > > I'm thinking that the > > presentation would focus both on what PyPy actually is, as well as on > > ways that PyPy can be useful for you right now (i.e., not only of > > interest as a CS work). > > Absolutely. The project is fascinating, but I ahve no idea whether it is > relevant to my work. > > Ed L: Wouldn't it be PyChiPy? > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From signalfade at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 21:07:43 2007 From: signalfade at gmail.com (SignalFade) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:07:43 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ff442150704031207j5f40c391m642b02991fbafdc6@mail.gmail.com> On 4/3/07, chicago-request at python.org wrote: > Send Chicago mailing list submissions to > chicago at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > chicago-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > chicago-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Chicago digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: PyPy Presentation (Adam Jenkins) > 2. Hosting the meeting for April (was Re: PyPy Presentation) > (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) > 3. Re: Hosting the meeting for April (was Re: PyPy Presentation) > (Chris McAvoy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:21:04 -0500 > From: "Adam Jenkins" > Subject: Re: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Message-ID: > <58a5f2220704021021t4ae93275vad752f51d2f5a9c3 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > It seemed to me that they had filled out their feature list and this > was why they went 1.0 > Stability might be an issue, but it was noted that one of the reasons > it's not production ready because none of the extensions are > completed. I could easily be wrong because I know very little about > the project other than what I read. > > On 4/2/07, Pete wrote: > > On Monday April 2 2007 11:18 am, johnnnnnnn wrote: > > > On Apr 2, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Atul Varma wrote: > > > > As some of you may know, PyPy just hit 1.0. > > > > > > I've heard that the 1.0 release is a largely funding-based, not > > > feature-based. That is, 1.0 doesn't yet imply production-ready or > > > feature-stable. Is that based in reality or just ugly rumor? > > > > Really looks that way. They're reasonably up front about it, without actually > > coming out and saying "our sponsors want a 1.0". Props to the EU for funding > > this though. > > > > PyPy looks really cool, but it's not going to be ReadyForTheEnterprise for > > quite a while yet - I'd guess at least 2 years, to be honest. > > > > if-only-my-work-estimates-were-as-good-ly yours, > > --Pete > > > > -- > > Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com > > http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B > > irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------- > Adam Jenkins > emperorcezar at gmail.com > 312-399-5161 > --------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:30:38 -0500 > From: "Brian W. Fitzpatrick" > Subject: [Chicago] Hosting the meeting for April (was Re: PyPy > Presentation) > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 4/2/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > I'm very interested in the talk. Are DePaul or Google available for > > the meeting next Thursday? (Not a question for you Atul, just > > throwing it out there.) > > I can host at Google again if folks are interested, but I'd be more > than happy if someone else wants to host. > > -Fitz > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:23:32 -0500 > From: "Chris McAvoy" > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Hosting the meeting for April (was Re: PyPy > Presentation) > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > Message-ID: > <3096c19d0704021423i13060690qfdcaeec7cd0c114e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 4/2/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I can host at Google again if folks are interested, but I'd be more > > than happy if someone else wants to host. > > Our funky filter stopped the message I sent a few hours ago that asked > if anyone else out there wanted to host a meeting. Google has been a > great place to meet, but it's a good thing to share the love. If > anyone else would like to host, speak up. > > Depaul is out this semester, as our in there is teaching a class on > Thursday nights. I can't host at Performics anymore, as I no longer > work there. > > Chris "lazily organizing" McAvoy > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > End of Chicago Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 > ************************************** > From signalfade at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 21:09:06 2007 From: signalfade at gmail.com (SignalFade) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:09:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <5ff442150704031207j5f40c391m642b02991fbafdc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ff442150704031207j5f40c391m642b02991fbafdc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ff442150704031209t2d7e0880h3c20ee2fa02ef63b@mail.gmail.com> Sorry about that double reply..... I just wanted to ask if the meeting will be this thursday, the 5th, or next thursday, the 12th? On 4/3/07, SignalFade wrote: > On 4/3/07, chicago-request at python.org wrote: > > Send Chicago mailing list submissions to > > chicago at python.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > chicago-request at python.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > chicago-owner at python.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Chicago digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: PyPy Presentation (Adam Jenkins) > > 2. Hosting the meeting for April (was Re: PyPy Presentation) > > (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) > > 3. Re: Hosting the meeting for April (was Re: PyPy Presentation) > > (Chris McAvoy) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:21:04 -0500 > > From: "Adam Jenkins" > > Subject: Re: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation > > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > > Message-ID: > > <58a5f2220704021021t4ae93275vad752f51d2f5a9c3 at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > It seemed to me that they had filled out their feature list and this > > was why they went 1.0 > > Stability might be an issue, but it was noted that one of the reasons > > it's not production ready because none of the extensions are > > completed. I could easily be wrong because I know very little about > > the project other than what I read. > > > > On 4/2/07, Pete wrote: > > > On Monday April 2 2007 11:18 am, johnnnnnnn wrote: > > > > On Apr 2, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Atul Varma wrote: > > > > > As some of you may know, PyPy just hit 1.0. > > > > > > > > I've heard that the 1.0 release is a largely funding-based, not > > > > feature-based. That is, 1.0 doesn't yet imply production-ready or > > > > feature-stable. Is that based in reality or just ugly rumor? > > > > > > Really looks that way. They're reasonably up front about it, without actually > > > coming out and saying "our sponsors want a 1.0". Props to the EU for funding > > > this though. > > > > > > PyPy looks really cool, but it's not going to be ReadyForTheEnterprise for > > > quite a while yet - I'd guess at least 2 years, to be honest. > > > > > > if-only-my-work-estimates-were-as-good-ly yours, > > > --Pete > > > > > > -- > > > Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com > > > http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B > > > irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chicago mailing list > > > Chicago at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------- > > Adam Jenkins > > emperorcezar at gmail.com > > 312-399-5161 > > --------------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:30:38 -0500 > > From: "Brian W. Fitzpatrick" > > Subject: [Chicago] Hosting the meeting for April (was Re: PyPy > > Presentation) > > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > On 4/2/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > > I'm very interested in the talk. Are DePaul or Google available for > > > the meeting next Thursday? (Not a question for you Atul, just > > > throwing it out there.) > > > > I can host at Google again if folks are interested, but I'd be more > > than happy if someone else wants to host. > > > > -Fitz > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:23:32 -0500 > > From: "Chris McAvoy" > > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Hosting the meeting for April (was Re: PyPy > > Presentation) > > To: "The Chicago Python Users Group" > > Message-ID: > > <3096c19d0704021423i13060690qfdcaeec7cd0c114e at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > On 4/2/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > I can host at Google again if folks are interested, but I'd be more > > > than happy if someone else wants to host. > > > > Our funky filter stopped the message I sent a few hours ago that asked > > if anyone else out there wanted to host a meeting. Google has been a > > great place to meet, but it's a good thing to share the love. If > > anyone else would like to host, speak up. > > > > Depaul is out this semester, as our in there is teaching a class on > > Thursday nights. I can't host at Performics anymore, as I no longer > > work there. > > > > Chris "lazily organizing" McAvoy > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > End of Chicago Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 > > ************************************** > > > From carl at personnelware.com Wed Apr 4 02:38:50 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:38:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <5ff442150704031209t2d7e0880h3c20ee2fa02ef63b@mail.gmail.com> References: <5ff442150704031207j5f40c391m642b02991fbafdc6@mail.gmail.com> <5ff442150704031209t2d7e0880h3c20ee2fa02ef63b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4612F39A.9030303@personnelware.com> SignalFade wrote: > Sorry about that double reply..... > > I just wanted to ask if the meeting will be this thursday, the 5th, or > next thursday, the 12th? > 2nd Thursday, so the 12th. Carl K From carl at personnelware.com Wed Apr 4 02:41:10 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:41:10 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation In-Reply-To: <408c01040704020902y6d55d77k359c0aa2ff11dc14@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370704020847r6727dd63h6552033c69cc5d0e@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0704020850p9124e58hb344a1bddf6f0b74@mail.gmail.com> <408c01040704020902y6d55d77k359c0aa2ff11dc14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4612F426.9040502@personnelware.com> Russell Dillenburg wrote: > any ridesharing from northfield/skokie area? > I'll be going in from Niles, but I will probably be taking Metra and walking to the meeting. I'll be happy go give you a ride to the Morton Grove Metra stop though. Carl K From hsu.feihong at yahoo.com Wed Apr 4 03:13:06 2007 From: hsu.feihong at yahoo.com (Feihong Hsu) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago] Presentation on Boo or Declarative programming Message-ID: <797893.33364.qm@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oops, I missed a pair of parentheses after Form, but otherwise that's exactly how it looks. No, I guess it's not normal Python syntax, but there's not that much magic underneath the surface, mostly it's just operator overloading. This approach works particularly well with Windows Forms, but I believe it ought to be applicable to other GUI frameworks as well. Looks like there's more interest in declarative GUI programming, so I'll save the Boo presentation for later. The April meeting is NEXT Thursday, right? - Feihong Tim Ottinger wrote: > > It's not normal python syntax, it has some syntax with a name > or method call followed by []-enclosed expressions. What is that? > > I *wish* I could be at the Boo presentation. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From pfein at pobox.com Thu Apr 5 00:53:09 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:53:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Help wanted: Python/JS Reflection library Message-ID: <200704041753.10349.pfein@pobox.com> This came up on IRC today... I've got some really neat code to use simplejson for general object serialization (a la pickle). I sorta have this pipe dream to use it w/ some JS magic to do full object reflection b/w JS & Python, if that makes any sense at all. Basically, the idea is you'd be able to dump some python object to JSON and have JS load up the JSON and create a corresponding object. And vice versa. Unfortunately, I don't have the JS skills to pull it off. If anyone out there with better JS skills than I would like to spend an afternoon hacking on such a beastie, I'd be all for it. --Pete -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Apr 5 01:40:21 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:40:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Help wanted: Python/JS Reflection library In-Reply-To: <200704041753.10349.pfein@pobox.com> References: <200704041753.10349.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <46143765.200@colorstudy.com> Pete wrote: > This came up on IRC today... > > I've got some really neat code to use simplejson for general object > serialization (a la pickle). I sorta have this pipe dream to use it w/ some > JS magic to do full object reflection b/w JS & Python, if that makes any > sense at all. > > Basically, the idea is you'd be able to dump some python object to JSON and > have JS load up the JSON and create a corresponding object. And vice versa. > Unfortunately, I don't have the JS skills to pull it off. If anyone out there > with better JS skills than I would like to spend an afternoon hacking on such > a beastie, I'd be all for it. Well, the object models of JSON, Javascript, and Python don't actually match up. Of course you can't actually share objects anyway, since JSON is a document and Javascript and Python will each have their own distinct copies of the object. And "class" can't really be shared either, since class implies methods, and methods imply code, and there is no shared code. You can use RPC to make a Javascript object that actually proxies to a Python object or vice versa (a little harder on the Javascript side), but there's a lot of complexities there. It fails in ways normal objects don't; you never get Connection Refused on a normal object, for instance. And Javascript really needs asynchronous methods if you are doing network access. And you have to think about whether you want to pass references or concrete data structures over the wire. I think these questions make RPC systems hard to work with. Messages can work, which is what JSON is typically used for. Messages are just data, not objects, and there's no shared state. As a common message format it's quite useful. A potentially interesting/useful binary version might be bencode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bencode), though it's data model is slightly different -- but perhaps just because bencode has byte strings, where JSON uses unicode strings. Though I find *only* unicode strings a bit awkward, while assuming a UTF8 convention for bencode seems reasonable. But that's bit twiddling either way, not that much of a concern really. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From pfein at pobox.com Thu Apr 5 02:41:15 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:41:15 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Help wanted: Python/JS Reflection library In-Reply-To: <46143765.200@colorstudy.com> References: <200704041753.10349.pfein@pobox.com> <46143765.200@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <200704041941.15683.pfein@pobox.com> On Wednesday April 4 2007 6:40 pm, Ian Bicking wrote: Heh. I just addressed this on the other list. Sorry for the cross-post.... > Well, the object models of JSON, Javascript, and Python don't actually > match up. Of course you can't actually share objects anyway, since JSON > is a document and Javascript and Python will each have their own > distinct copies of the object. And "class" can't really be shared > either, since class implies methods, and methods imply code, and there The goal here is *not* to produce JSON for arbitrary client libraries (or plain-old Javascript-sans-library). ?The goal is to produce something: ?* human readable/editable ?* with just enough metadata to allow a library in another language (Javascript or other) to construct an instance, *assuming it already has a corresponding class definition* ?* is still valid JSON Maybe an example will help. ?My code currently produces JSON that looks much like: { ? "__class__": "Foo", ? "color": "red", ? "size": 42, ? "quux": { ? ? "__class__": "Bar", ? ? "drink": "whiskey" ? } ? "when": { ? ? "__class__": "datetime.date", ? ? "day": 4, ? ? "month": 4, ? ? "year": 2007 ? } } This is done entirely via introspection/piggybacking on existing serialization methods - there's no explicit support from Foo or Bar required. ?The idea is that some library in language L can take this data structure, which consists solely of JSON datatypes, ?and build a corresponding data structure in its native types/user-defined classes. And vice versa. This isn't code shipping - I'm assuming the same person writes the code on both ends. ?If you forget to define a Foo in L, that's your bug, not mine. ;-) ?It's nothing more than a convention for getting object-oriented data across language boundaries. ?Maybe I'll call it Esperanto.[0] > Messages can work, which is what JSON is typically used for. Messages 'Message reflection' might a better term than 'object reflection'. The idea is to provide some helpers that let you load up the message into an existing class definition. It's no more featureful than a bunch of functions that operate on plain-old JSON data structure. Just adds some sugar. > binary version might be bencode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bencode), Looks like a binary JSON. Neat. > wire. I think these questions make RPC systems hard to work with. -1 RPC. Maintaining state across the wire is a generally bad idea. --Pete [0] - I'm not actually gonna call it Esperanto. ?Grunt-point may be a better description. -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Apr 5 03:15:23 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:15:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Help wanted: Python/JS Reflection library In-Reply-To: <200704041941.15683.pfein@pobox.com> References: <200704041753.10349.pfein@pobox.com> <46143765.200@colorstudy.com> <200704041941.15683.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <46144DAB.1050607@colorstudy.com> Pete wrote: > { > "__class__": "Foo", > "color": "red", > "size": 42, > "quux": { > "__class__": "Bar", > "drink": "whiskey" > } > "when": { > "__class__": "datetime.date", > "day": 4, > "month": 4, > "year": 2007 > } > } > > This is done entirely via introspection/piggybacking on existing serialization > methods - there's no explicit support from Foo or Bar required. The idea is > that some library in language L can take this data structure, which consists > solely of JSON datatypes, and build a corresponding data structure in its > native types/user-defined classes. And vice versa. > > This isn't code shipping - I'm assuming the same person writes the code on > both ends. If you forget to define a Foo in L, that's your bug, not > mine. ;-) It's nothing more than a convention for getting object-oriented > data across language boundaries. Maybe I'll call it Esperanto.[0] I think "class" is too overloaded a term. Or perhaps "type" is a slightly less overloaded term that might be more applicable. >> Messages can work, which is what JSON is typically used for. Messages > > 'Message reflection' might a better term than 'object reflection'. The idea > is to provide some helpers that let you load up the message into an existing > class definition. It's no more featureful than a bunch of functions that > operate on plain-old JSON data structure. Just adds some sugar. Maybe a useful way of thinking about it is that you should really be communicating "value" objects. There might be kinds of values beyond the basic JSON types (well, certainly there would be), but they feel somewhat similar. That is, they don't really have behavior, and often they are immutable (or close to it -- perhaps immutable at least by convention). So you might have a color object like: {"type": "color", "r": 255, "g": 0, "b": 0} It means something other than just a dictionary, or even more than just an object that happens to have .r, .g, and .b attributes. A date object is similar. Python has a bunch of these kinds of objects; I think it tends towards the functional than many other dynamic languages. Functional languages are purely this kind of object -- especially when you start dealing with generic functions, where objects don't appear to carry around functionality with them. I think pattern matching (which a bunch of functional languages have) also kind of acts like generic functions in the same way. Hmm... but what does "color" mean? Seems kind of obvious, but clearly there could be other kinds of implementations (e.g., h/v/s, or even trivial stuff like red/green/blue). You could kind of be like XML namespaces, and do: {"type": "http://purl.com/color", ...} There's a kind of unambiguous nature to that, and conveniently self-describing. Now I'd say just implement pattern matching in Javascript and Python (and whatever else) based on this, along with some conventions for message communication (probably just built on HTTP), and have at it! Along these lines, you might find Roberto Almeida's projects interesting: http://dealmeida.net/projects/ -- specifically jsonstore and webskine. I believe most of the UI is really in Javascript. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From deadwisdom at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 05:20:53 2007 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:20:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Help wanted: Python/JS Reflection library In-Reply-To: <46144DAB.1050607@colorstudy.com> References: <200704041753.10349.pfein@pobox.com> <46143765.200@colorstudy.com> <200704041941.15683.pfein@pobox.com> <46144DAB.1050607@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <694c06d60704042020n7cdf022aj10e2e8096b1a5085@mail.gmail.com> I have something similar in this one Django app. Firstly the serialization process. It's two step process: serialize a Python object into a mix of Dictionary/Lists and basic types, and then JSON serialize it and send it to the client. It works like this (simplified): def serialize(object, context): dict = {'__class__': object.__class__.__name__, '__str__': str(object), # Any other default properties... } object.serialize(dict, context) return dict Then in the object: class Object: ... stuff ... def serialize(self, dict, context): if (context == 'edit'): dict['something'] = self.something So it's very easy to define different "contexts". Thusly serializing for searching might be different from serializing for "editing". There's also a deserialize that does the same thing. Now, on the Javascript side I have this function "remoteMethod" that I can use, it merely returns a function that acts as an AJAX caller. Something like: connectAJAX(object); object.search = object.remoteMethod('search'); Then I can say "object.search(args);" and it will automatically call it with a lightweight JSON RPC protocol, serializing as need be. Then on the Python side I just map a function to respond to the RPC call. I'm as pleased as punch by it. I even have errors that occur on the server side RPC response pipe back through and into my Firebug console. You wouldn't know it wasn't a Javascript error except that its clearly Python. Anyhow, it doesn't act like a pure pass-through object, but it works pretty damned close. The idea, actually is to make it more seamless on the Javascript side, as that's the more annoying one to program on. On 4/4/07, Ian Bicking wrote: > Pete wrote: > > { > > "__class__": "Foo", > > "color": "red", > > "size": 42, > > "quux": { > > "__class__": "Bar", > > "drink": "whiskey" > > } > > "when": { > > "__class__": "datetime.date", > > "day": 4, > > "month": 4, > > "year": 2007 > > } > > } > > > > This is done entirely via introspection/piggybacking on existing serialization > > methods - there's no explicit support from Foo or Bar required. The idea is > > that some library in language L can take this data structure, which consists > > solely of JSON datatypes, and build a corresponding data structure in its > > native types/user-defined classes. And vice versa. > > > > This isn't code shipping - I'm assuming the same person writes the code on > > both ends. If you forget to define a Foo in L, that's your bug, not > > mine. ;-) It's nothing more than a convention for getting object-oriented > > data across language boundaries. Maybe I'll call it Esperanto.[0] > > I think "class" is too overloaded a term. Or perhaps "type" is a > slightly less overloaded term that might be more applicable. > > >> Messages can work, which is what JSON is typically used for. Messages > > > > 'Message reflection' might a better term than 'object reflection'. The idea > > is to provide some helpers that let you load up the message into an existing > > class definition. It's no more featureful than a bunch of functions that > > operate on plain-old JSON data structure. Just adds some sugar. > > Maybe a useful way of thinking about it is that you should really be > communicating "value" objects. There might be kinds of values beyond > the basic JSON types (well, certainly there would be), but they feel > somewhat similar. That is, they don't really have behavior, and often > they are immutable (or close to it -- perhaps immutable at least by > convention). So you might have a color object like: > > {"type": "color", "r": 255, "g": 0, "b": 0} > > It means something other than just a dictionary, or even more than just > an object that happens to have .r, .g, and .b attributes. A date object > is similar. Python has a bunch of these kinds of objects; I think it > tends towards the functional than many other dynamic languages. > Functional languages are purely this kind of object -- especially when > you start dealing with generic functions, where objects don't appear to > carry around functionality with them. I think pattern matching (which a > bunch of functional languages have) also kind of acts like generic > functions in the same way. > > Hmm... but what does "color" mean? Seems kind of obvious, but clearly > there could be other kinds of implementations (e.g., h/v/s, or even > trivial stuff like red/green/blue). You could kind of be like XML > namespaces, and do: > > {"type": "http://purl.com/color", ...} > > There's a kind of unambiguous nature to that, and conveniently > self-describing. > > Now I'd say just implement pattern matching in Javascript and Python > (and whatever else) based on this, along with some conventions for > message communication (probably just built on HTTP), and have at it! > > Along these lines, you might find Roberto Almeida's projects > interesting: http://dealmeida.net/projects/ -- specifically jsonstore > and webskine. I believe most of the UI is really in Javascript. > > > -- > Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org > | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From dbt at meat.net Thu Apr 5 12:26:56 2007 From: dbt at meat.net (David Terrell) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 05:26:56 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Help wanted: Python/JS Reflection library In-Reply-To: <694c06d60704042020n7cdf022aj10e2e8096b1a5085@mail.gmail.com> References: <200704041753.10349.pfein@pobox.com> <46143765.200@colorstudy.com> <200704041941.15683.pfein@pobox.com> <46144DAB.1050607@colorstudy.com> <694c06d60704042020n7cdf022aj10e2e8096b1a5085@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070405102656.GK9626@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:20:53PM -0500, Brantley Harris wrote: > I have something similar in this one Django app. Firstly the > serialization process. It's two step process: serialize a Python > object into a mix of Dictionary/Lists and basic types Bah. In modern languages, lists and dictionaries ARE basic types. :) -- David Terrell dbt at meat.net ((meatspace)) http://meat.net/ From deadwisdom at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 19:23:30 2007 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:23:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Help wanted: Python/JS Reflection library In-Reply-To: <20070405102656.GK9626@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> References: <200704041753.10349.pfein@pobox.com> <46143765.200@colorstudy.com> <200704041941.15683.pfein@pobox.com> <46144DAB.1050607@colorstudy.com> <694c06d60704042020n7cdf022aj10e2e8096b1a5085@mail.gmail.com> <20070405102656.GK9626@sphinx.chicagopeoplez.org> Message-ID: <694c06d60704051023m2667bf71h7ecce3d70f23e314@mail.gmail.com> On 4/5/07, David Terrell wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:20:53PM -0500, Brantley Harris wrote: > > I have something similar in this one Django app. Firstly the > > serialization process. It's two step process: serialize a Python > > object into a mix of Dictionary/Lists and basic types > > Bah. In modern languages, lists and dictionaries ARE basic types. :) I'm with you there, hence why I can't stand Java. I just thought I'd be clear, you know ;) From mcivor at iit.edu Thu Apr 5 20:54:50 2007 From: mcivor at iit.edu (Ken McIvor) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:54:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers Message-ID: Hey list, Does anyone know of organizations in the Chicago area that might be interested in receiving a donation of almost a dozen old Macintosh computers? We'd prefer seeing them advance a good cause to having them recycled. About half of them are Power Macintoshes and the rest are flavors of the Macintosh LC. I'm not sure how many of them have monitors and peripherals. I can provide specific details if anyone has an interesting lead. Thanks! Ken From rick.flosi at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 21:07:49 2007 From: rick.flosi at gmail.com (Rick Flosi) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:07:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <863228a10704051207u5d04f20dkb8fe80d80659b6d2@mail.gmail.com> I don't know now any specific organizations, but you might try one of these: http://sharetechnology.org/ http://www.nrc-recycle.org/resources/electronics/ http://www.recycles.org/ http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/zip/303250331.html http://www.freecycle.org/ On 4/5/07, Ken McIvor wrote: > > Hey list, > > Does anyone know of organizations in the Chicago area that might be > interested in receiving a donation of almost a dozen old Macintosh > computers? We'd prefer seeing them advance a good cause to having > them recycled. > > About half of them are Power Macintoshes and the rest are flavors of > the Macintosh LC. I'm not sure how many of them have monitors and > peripherals. 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We'd prefer seeing them advance a good cause to having > > them recycled. > > > > About half of them are Power Macintoshes and the rest are flavors of > > the Macintosh LC. I'm not sure how many of them have monitors and > > peripherals. I can provide specific details if anyone has an > > interesting lead. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > > -- > Rick -- Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070405/be45ed4a/attachment.htm From tcp at mac.com Thu Apr 5 21:14:15 2007 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:14:15 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Ken McIvor wrote: > Does anyone know of organizations in the Chicago area that might be > interested in receiving a donation of almost a dozen old Macintosh > computers? We'd prefer seeing them advance a good cause to having > them recycled. > > About half of them are Power Macintoshes and the rest are flavors of > the Macintosh LC. I'm not sure how many of them have monitors and > peripherals. I can provide specific details if anyone has an > interesting lead. I'm not trying to be snarky here (I've probably owned all of the various models you're trying to give away) but is there really much that can be done, productively, with these machines? I guess limited usage as a web-browsing environment (and even there they'll feel slow for complicated pages, etc. -- my old 1st gen. G4 certainly does with some SSL protected pages, for example)... but they're more than worthless in the general sense because they don't run a modern operating system and as such they can't really be used as a teaching tool for too much (limited programming, I guess), but certainly not computer literacy in any sense -- it'd be like teaching someone ancient greek...good exercise and all, but not applicable in the general day to day sense... Moreover, the amount of effort required to get them running and to keep them running will not be insignificant and this will be more of a burden to any organization that might take them, given the shrinking mindshare that classic mac os has. I guess, some of the linux PPC offerings might be usable for the power macs... I guess I'm looking for people to tell me I'm being too cynical in my assessment here =) -ted From carl at personnelware.com Thu Apr 5 21:21:22 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:21:22 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46154C32.9000907@personnelware.com> Ted Pollari wrote: > On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Ken McIvor wrote: > >> Does anyone know of organizations in the Chicago area that might be >> interested in receiving a donation of almost a dozen old Macintosh >> computers? We'd prefer seeing them advance a good cause to having >> them recycled. >> >> About half of them are Power Macintoshes and the rest are flavors of >> the Macintosh LC. I'm not sure how many of them have monitors and >> peripherals. I can provide specific details if anyone has an >> interesting lead. > > I'm not trying to be snarky here (I've probably owned all of the > various models you're trying to give away) but is there really much > that can be done, productively, with these machines? > > I guess limited usage as a web-browsing environment (and even there > they'll feel slow for complicated pages, etc. -- my old 1st gen. G4 > certainly does with some SSL protected pages, for example)... but > they're more than worthless in the general sense because they don't > run a modern operating system and as such they can't really be used > as a teaching tool for too much (limited programming, I guess), but > certainly not computer literacy in any sense -- it'd be like teaching > someone ancient greek...good exercise and all, but not applicable in > the general day to day sense... Moreover, the amount of effort > required to get them running and to keep them running will not be > insignificant and this will be more of a burden to any organization > that might take them, given the shrinking mindshare that classic mac > os has. > I guess, some of the linux PPC offerings might be usable for the > power macs... > > I guess I'm looking for people to tell me I'm being too cynical in my > assessment here =) > In general, I agree. I'll bet they run basic CUI python. seems that would be of some value somewhere. Carl K From mcivor at iit.edu Thu Apr 5 21:37:45 2007 From: mcivor at iit.edu (Ken McIvor) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5CC0501F-6880-4DBE-8E31-09C4598525AF@iit.edu> On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Ted Pollari wrote: > > I'm not trying to be snarky here (I've probably owned all of the > various models you're trying to give away) but is there really much > that can be done, productively, with these machines? That's a reasonable question. I have absolutely no idea, so I figured I'd ask a bunch a bunch of people smart enough to use Python. ;-) > I guess I'm looking for people to tell me I'm being too cynical in my > assessment here =) I can't say for certain that you are. Ken From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Thu Apr 5 22:39:37 2007 From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (johnnnnnnn) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:39:37 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was under the impression that dai5ychain took donations of hardware. Am i misremembering? -johnnnnnn On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Ken McIvor wrote: > Hey list, > > Does anyone know of organizations in the Chicago area that might be > interested in receiving a donation of almost a dozen old Macintosh > computers? We'd prefer seeing them advance a good cause to having > them recycled. > > About half of them are Power Macintoshes and the rest are flavors of > the Macintosh LC. I'm not sure how many of them have monitors and > peripherals. I can provide specific details if anyone has an > interesting lead. > > Thanks! > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From kapteynr at cboe.com Thu Apr 5 21:56:54 2007 From: kapteynr at cboe.com (Kapteyn, Rob) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:56:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers Message-ID: The Power Macs can be updated with "Yellow Dog Linux": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Dog_Linux But environmentally, it is better to put these power-hungry beasts out of their misery. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Carl Karsten Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:21 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers Ted Pollari wrote: > On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Ken McIvor wrote: > >> Does anyone know of organizations in the Chicago area that might be >> interested in receiving a donation of almost a dozen old Macintosh >> computers? We'd prefer seeing them advance a good cause to having >> them recycled. >> >> About half of them are Power Macintoshes and the rest are flavors of >> the Macintosh LC. I'm not sure how many of them have monitors and >> peripherals. I can provide specific details if anyone has an >> interesting lead. > > I'm not trying to be snarky here (I've probably owned all of the > various models you're trying to give away) but is there really much > that can be done, productively, with these machines? > > I guess limited usage as a web-browsing environment (and even there > they'll feel slow for complicated pages, etc. -- my old 1st gen. G4 > certainly does with some SSL protected pages, for example)... but > they're more than worthless in the general sense because they don't > run a modern operating system and as such they can't really be used > as a teaching tool for too much (limited programming, I guess), but > certainly not computer literacy in any sense -- it'd be like teaching > someone ancient greek...good exercise and all, but not applicable in > the general day to day sense... Moreover, the amount of effort > required to get them running and to keep them running will not be > insignificant and this will be more of a burden to any organization > that might take them, given the shrinking mindshare that classic mac > os has. > I guess, some of the linux PPC offerings might be usable for the > power macs... > > I guess I'm looking for people to tell me I'm being too cynical in my > assessment here =) > In general, I agree. I'll bet they run basic CUI python. seems that would be of some value somewhere. Carl K _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From tim.saylor at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 22:55:43 2007 From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:55:43 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers Message-ID: <9fb45b0b0704051355q5ec98210v8e8acee265cd6dc3@mail.gmail.com> Assuming they can be maintained by whoever takes them, they can run whatever apps most of us used when we were learning computers. I took typing lessons on an Apple IIe in grade school, and that typing app could still be teaching people how to type with no problem. As long as they can run I imagine someone can use them. From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 15:54:15 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:54:15 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Sugar Development Message-ID: <3096c19d0704050654te433800wfaef684b752e3c2b@mail.gmail.com> I just saw this article on Red Hat magazine, in my humble O, it's the best getting started with Sugar development article I've come across: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/03/26/building-the-xo-the-anatomy-of-an-activity/ Granted, I haven't looked a whole heck of a lot, but this one seemed pretty good. Just a heads up. Chris From bray at sent.com Fri Apr 6 20:40:46 2007 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:40:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: <863228a10704051207u5d04f20dkb8fe80d80659b6d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <863228a10704051207u5d04f20dkb8fe80d80659b6d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Rick Flosi wrote: > I don't know now any specific organizations, but you might try one > of these: > http://sharetechnology.org/ > http://www.nrc-recycle.org/resources/electronics/ > http://www.recycles.org/ > http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/zip/303250331.html > http://www.freecycle.org/ I read in the April 2007 Macworld (yeah I subscribe damnit) you can get info on where to donate your old mac's here: Brian Ray bray at sent.com http://kazavoo.com/blog From pfein at pobox.com Fri Apr 6 21:03:59 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:03:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] ANN: Grassyknoll 0.2 Message-ID: <200704061403.59919.pfein@pobox.com> Grassy Knoll is a storage and search web service written in Python. This is the project I presend at last month's Chipy meeting; it's come a long way since then. Check it out - feedback is always appreciated. =Description= Grassyknoll is an HTTP-based server for Collections, a non-relational model for data storage and search. A commandline client is also included. It currently provides a Lucene backend for high-performance full-text search, a REST frontend and JSON input/output. Additional backends & frontends are planned. Extensive documentation is available from the homepage. =Current Release= Version 0.2 is fully functional, but not production ready. =Links= Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/grassyknoll/ Mailing List: http://groups.google.com/group/grassyknoll IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net#grassyknoll Subversion: http://grassyknoll.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From racter at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 00:33:20 2007 From: racter at gmail.com (jake elliott) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:33:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: chipymonks, On 4/5/07, johnnnnnnn wrote: > I was under the impression that dai5ychain took donations of > hardware. Am i misremembering? ya that's still true! we are in the middle of a major rehab right now, part of which is a move to a terminal-server setup with LTSP to better utilize lowend hardware. -jake From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Sat Apr 7 18:53:28 2007 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:53:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Django course References: Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C4A@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Hi everybody, this is just to let you know that DePaul IPD will be offering again the Django course this quarter. Here is a link to the program information http://ipd.cti.depaul.edu/wdpd/Prog_wdpd.htm NEW application & tuition deadline: April 12th NEW start date: April 24th NEW end date: May 29th Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Sat Apr 7 23:37:03 2007 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:37:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] turbogears 2.0 References: <5CC0501F-6880-4DBE-8E31-09C4598525AF@iit.edu> Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C4B@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Hi everybody? Does anybody know when turbogears 2.0 is expected to be released? Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ From aharrin at luc.edu Sun Apr 8 01:11:08 2007 From: aharrin at luc.edu (Andrew Harrington) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:11:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chicago Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4618250C.3070108@luc.edu> Anything more on a Sugar sprint? I'm interested. -- Andrew N. Harrington Computer Science Department Director of Academic Programs Loyola University Chicago http://www.cs.luc.edu/~anh 512B Lewis Towers (office) Office Phone: 312-915-7982 Snail mail to Lewis Towers 416 Dept. Fax: 312-915-7998 820 North Michigan Avenue aharrin at luc.edu Chicago, Illinois 60611 From varmaa at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 17:02:40 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:02:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Presentation on Boo or Declarative programming In-Reply-To: <797893.33364.qm@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <797893.33364.qm@web34815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <361b27370704080802l7d309fbdjfdab24f86f0156bb@mail.gmail.com> On 4/3/07, Feihong Hsu wrote: > > Oops, I missed a pair of parentheses after Form, but otherwise that's > exactly how it looks. No, I guess it's not normal Python syntax, but > there's not that much magic underneath the surface, mostly it's just > operator overloading. > > This approach works particularly well with Windows Forms, but I > believe it ought to be applicable to other GUI frameworks as well. > > Looks like there's more interest in declarative GUI programming, so > I'll save the Boo presentation for later. > > The April meeting is NEXT Thursday, right? > > - Feihong Sounds good, Feihong. And although it's probably painfully obvious by now... yeah, the April meeting is "next" Thursday, meaning *this* thursday at this point. Um, the 12th. I will have something ready for a PyPy talk. - Atul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have no idea if they are still using it. k From kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 18:54:19 2007 From: kumar.mcmillan at gmail.com (Kumar McMillan) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:54:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/9/07, Kumar McMillan wrote: > On 4/5/07, Ken McIvor wrote: > > Hey list, > > > > Does anyone know of organizations in the Chicago area that might be > > interested in receiving a donation of almost a dozen old Macintosh > > computers? We'd prefer seeing them advance a good cause to having > > them recycled. > > If any of these are usable as desktops, heh, I just reread the list of macintosh models :) Doesn't seem like something worthwhile for their computer lab. They also have "12 Pentium III peecees" on their wish list. > you might want to take a drive > to the southside (wild hundreds) and see if Diane wants them for her > kids: > http://www.kidsofftheblock.org/ > > I drove down a G3 that ran Mac OS X somewhat decently. I have no idea > if they are still using it. > > k > From mcivor at iit.edu Mon Apr 9 21:24:24 2007 From: mcivor at iit.edu (Ken McIvor) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:24:24 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 9, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Kumar McMillan wrote: > On 4/9/07, Kumar McMillan wrote: >> >> If any of these are usable as desktops, > > heh, I just reread the list of macintosh models :) Doesn't seem like > something worthwhile for their computer lab. That seems to be the general consensus. I'll plan on sourcing a recycling service, unless someone on the list knows of an organization that would be interested in this sort of kit. *cough* dai5ychain? *cough* Thanks to everyone for their ideas and suggestions! Ken From mark.mchristensen at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 21:31:14 2007 From: mark.mchristensen at gmail.com (Mark Ramm) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:31:14 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] Contractors needed Message-ID: I've got a few customers looking to get jobs done, and I'm running out of resources to be able to do those jobs. So, I'm looking for a few good contractors, interested in doing pyhon web development. I have back-end web service stuff, and front-end user facing software jobs, and I'm looking for people interested in very short term make few hundred extra dollars a week type jobs, and for people interested in forging a longer term relationship with some of our clients. So, if you've got some free time, and are interested in making a bit of extra money, please drop me a note and I'll give you a call and we can talk. -- Mark Ramm-Christensen email: mark at compoundthinking dot com blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog From mark.mchristensen at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 22:37:03 2007 From: mark.mchristensen at gmail.com (Mark Ramm) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:37:03 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] turbogears 2.0 In-Reply-To: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C4B@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> References: <5CC0501F-6880-4DBE-8E31-09C4598525AF@iit.edu> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C4B@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Message-ID: I expect 1.1 to be released sometime in the next month or two, with Genshi/Cherrpy3/SQLalchemy as the defaults. We'll still support current TG projects with very few changes, since SQLObject and Kid will still be supported. If you use CherryPy filters extensively those will need to be converted into what CherryPy 3 calls Tools -- but in my experience that has been very painless. TurboGears 2.0 will have a few more changes in how application configuration is done, and perhaps some updated components, and it should also include a pretty large change in the way the @expose decorator is implemented -- but again we're hoping we can maintain the current API while totally rewriting the implementation. So, to answer your question, I'd expect TurboGears 2.0 sometime late this fall at the earliest. --Mark Ramm On 4/7/07, DiPierro, Massimo wrote: > Hi everybody? > > Does anybody know when turbogears 2.0 is expected to be released? > > Massimo > > Massimo Di Pierro > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Mark Ramm-Christensen email: mark at compoundthinking dot com blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Tue Apr 10 00:20:52 2007 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:20:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] turbogears 2.0 References: <5CC0501F-6880-4DBE-8E31-09C4598525AF@iit.edu><6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C4B@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C71@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Thank you. At DePaul we have created a new course on "frameworks for web development". It will be taught in fall and we were hoping to be able to use Turbogears but only if we can do it with Genshi/Cherrpy3/SQLalchemy. Nobody wants to develop teaching material and then everything changes again ;-) Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ ________________________________ From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Mark Ramm Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 3:37 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] turbogears 2.0 I expect 1.1 to be released sometime in the next month or two, with Genshi/Cherrpy3/SQLalchemy as the defaults. We'll still support current TG projects with very few changes, since SQLObject and Kid will still be supported. If you use CherryPy filters extensively those will need to be converted into what CherryPy 3 calls Tools -- but in my experience that has been very painless. TurboGears 2.0 will have a few more changes in how application configuration is done, and perhaps some updated components, and it should also include a pretty large change in the way the @expose decorator is implemented -- but again we're hoping we can maintain the current API while totally rewriting the implementation. So, to answer your question, I'd expect TurboGears 2.0 sometime late this fall at the earliest. --Mark Ramm On 4/7/07, DiPierro, Massimo wrote: > Hi everybody? > > Does anybody know when turbogears 2.0 is expected to be released? > > Massimo > > Massimo Di Pierro > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Mark Ramm-Christensen email: mark at compoundthinking dot com blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From verisimilidude at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 19:03:30 2007 From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:03:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ad48f980704091003lee42041nf4c7d622714fb60f@mail.gmail.com> Somewhat related to this thread: Last week a church up the block from me was throwing out four old monitors that had been "donated" to them that no longer work. Having recently read about the City of Chicago's new electronics drop-off center that Streets & San has set up on Goose Island. (I would offer a link but the City website has horrid URLs) I, being a concerned earth conscious citizen, offered to take them to the drop off center rather than have them dropped into the dumpster. Saturday morning when I arrived there the city worker looked at the 4 monitors and said "Are you from a business?" and I answered, "no, these were being thrown out by a church." Oops - wrong answer. "We can't take anything from a business or other organization, or an apartment building over 4 units." So the monitors are still sitting in the back of my van. I think I'll try some of the resources linked above and see what luck I have there. From warren.lindsey at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 03:49:39 2007 From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <841e880a0704091849m7cff46a1v1d09fcd50a2417a7@mail.gmail.com> This is a very good point. The old machines consume more power and produce less results than more current machines. It is difficult to justify keeping them around for much else than nostalgia. I have five Sparcstation 1 and 2 machines sitting in my basement collecting dust right now. These are the "pizzabox" servers. There used to be a time when you could keep something like this around just so that you had hardware available to run Solaris. Now it's possible to run OpenSolaris on Intel hardware for free. You can emulate Sparc hardware in QEMU at least as fast as these old machines run. You can virtualize four 900mhz linux servers with no noticable lag on a modern off the shelf machine for less than $600. Doing this will cut both your power bill and the lower the noise floor in your office. Anyone want some old Sparcs? I'll throw in an HP PA-RISC machine to make your trip worthwhile ;-) On 4/5/07, Kapteyn, Rob wrote: > The Power Macs can be updated with "Yellow Dog Linux": > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Dog_Linux > > But environmentally, it is better to put these power-hungry beasts out of their misery. > > -Rob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org]On > Behalf Of Carl Karsten > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 2:21 PM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] Finding a good home for some ancient computers > > > Ted Pollari wrote: > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Ken McIvor wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know of organizations in the Chicago area that might be > >> interested in receiving a donation of almost a dozen old Macintosh > >> computers? We'd prefer seeing them advance a good cause to having > >> them recycled. > >> > >> About half of them are Power Macintoshes and the rest are flavors of > >> the Macintosh LC. I'm not sure how many of them have monitors and > >> peripherals. I can provide specific details if anyone has an > >> interesting lead. > > > > I'm not trying to be snarky here (I've probably owned all of the > > various models you're trying to give away) but is there really much > > that can be done, productively, with these machines? > > > > I guess limited usage as a web-browsing environment (and even there > > they'll feel slow for complicated pages, etc. -- my old 1st gen. G4 > > certainly does with some SSL protected pages, for example)... but > > they're more than worthless in the general sense because they don't > > run a modern operating system and as such they can't really be used > > as a teaching tool for too much (limited programming, I guess), but > > certainly not computer literacy in any sense -- it'd be like teaching > > someone ancient greek...good exercise and all, but not applicable in > > the general day to day sense... Moreover, the amount of effort > > required to get them running and to keep them running will not be > > insignificant and this will be more of a burden to any organization > > that might take them, given the shrinking mindshare that classic mac > > os has. > > I guess, some of the linux PPC offerings might be usable for the > > power macs... > > > > I guess I'm looking for people to tell me I'm being too cynical in my > > assessment here =) > > > > In general, I agree. > > I'll bet they run basic CUI python. seems that would be of some value somewhere. > > > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From gracie at bithawk.net Tue Apr 10 07:38:20 2007 From: gracie at bithawk.net (Gracie) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:38:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next Meeting Message-ID: <20070410053820.GA23951@whiteman.bithawk.net> Hello All, Can you tell me when the April Meeting in Chicago will be held? Thanks Gracie From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 13:47:13 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:47:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Next Meeting In-Reply-To: <20070410053820.GA23951@whiteman.bithawk.net> References: <20070410053820.GA23951@whiteman.bithawk.net> Message-ID: <3096c19d0704100447h7b5bb9b0qfa4f35e4632f7255@mail.gmail.com> This Thursday...I'm about to send out the info. On 4/10/07, Gracie wrote: > Hello All, > > Can you tell me when the April Meeting in Chicago will be held? > > Thanks > > Gracie > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 13:50:23 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:50:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chipy this Thursday, April 12th 7pm RSVP encouraged Message-ID: <3096c19d0704100450p2858b41fhd73d521f08e6566b@mail.gmail.com> Chicago Python User Group ========================= Come join us for our best meeting ever! Please send an RSVP to chris.mcavoy at gmail.com with the subject "RSVP Chipy." Distribute this email as you see fit. Topics ------ * PyPy (Atul Varma) * Boo (Feihong Hsu) * Fellowship (You) Location -------- Google's Chicago office 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor Chicago, IL 60610 Location description: "18 story glass and steel building on the Northeast corner of Dearborn and Kinzie." "Across the street from Harry Carey's" "Upstairs from Keefer's restaurant" * Map Enter via the lobby on the South side of the building, between Keefer's restaurant and Keefer's cafe. Street (meter) parking is kinda sorta available in the area. Garage and lot parking is also available Southwest and East of our building. 1. The closest "L" stop is Grand on the Red Line and Clark/Lake on the "Blue/Green/Orange/Brown/Purple Line". (All are about an 8 minute walk from Google) 2. The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in the Citibank building) (about 20 minutes walk or take the Riverbus) 3. The closest River Bus stop is at Michigan Avenue (By the Wrigley Building at 2 North Riverside Plaza. () ;-) 4. The nearest helipad is at the mouth of the river, near Navy Pier. Obtain security clearance before landing. About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: From ebjono at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 17:55:06 2007 From: ebjono at gmail.com (Jono) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:55:06 -0600 Subject: [Chicago] Proposal for a talk this Thursday Message-ID: Hi everybody, Jono from Humanized here. I'd like to make a talk at the ChiPy meeting this Thursday, if I can. If this list isn't the right place to suggest talks, could somebody please tell me who to mail this to? I'd like to show off a prototype ZUI (zooming user interface) I'm working on. It's not (yet) a Humanized project, it's something I'm monkeying up in my spare time. I've seen ZUI prototypes before that made me say, "OK, that's a neat idea, but how the heck would you get any work done in it?". So I decided to start trying to make one that would actually be useful to me. I draw a webcomic, and my workflow involves moving lots of documents around, copying data between several applications in different formats, and lots of annoying window shuffling. So my goal is to prototype a ZUI which makes this workflow easier than the tools I currently have. Topics of general Python interest this talk will touch on include: * How to monkey up a prototype interface really quick with wxPython * Using pySQLite as an alternative to files for extremely easy data persistence * How to edit and transform image files with Python * Pythonizing repetitive GUI tasks Additionally, the topic of more specific user-interface design interest is: * How do we make a zooming user interface that is actually useful for getting work done and not just a gee-whiz demo? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070410/d619aa83/attachment.htm From carl at personnelware.com Tue Apr 10 18:07:21 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:07:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Proposal for a talk this Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <461BB639.8000207@personnelware.com> Jono wrote: > Hi everybody, > Jono from Humanized here. > I'd like to make a talk at the ChiPy meeting this Thursday, if I can. > If this list isn't the right place to suggest talks, could somebody please > tell me who to mail this to? This is the place. About the right time too, only this time some early birds kinda broke the pattern. > > I'd like to show off a prototype ZUI (zooming user interface) I'm working > on. It's not (yet) a Humanized project, it's something I'm monkeying up in > my spare time. > > I've seen ZUI prototypes before that made me say, "OK, that's a neat idea, > but how the heck would you get any work done in it?". So I decided to > start > trying to make one that would actually be useful to me. I draw a webcomic, > and my workflow involves moving lots of documents around, copying data > between several applications in different formats, and lots of annoying > window shuffling. So my goal is to prototype a ZUI which makes this > workflow easier than the tools I currently have. > > Topics of general Python interest this talk will touch on include: > * How to monkey up a prototype interface really quick with wxPython > * Using pySQLite as an alternative to files for extremely easy data > persistence > * How to edit and transform image files with Python > * Pythonizing repetitive GUI tasks > > Additionally, the topic of more specific user-interface design interest is: > * How do we make a zooming user interface that is actually useful for > getting work done and not just a gee-whiz demo? > +1 for seeing this this week. I think we have 2 other talks planned, not sure how much time everyone needs. I'll let someone else figure that out. Carl K From tcp at mac.com Tue Apr 10 18:08:59 2007 From: tcp at mac.com (Ted Pollari) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:08:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Proposal for a talk this Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 10, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Jono wrote: > I'd like to make a talk at the ChiPy meeting this Thursday, if I can. > If this list isn't the right place to suggest talks, could somebody > please tell me who to mail this to? This is also the right list to talk about talks and to discuss discussing discussions related to Python, in Chicago (or nearby suburbs) > > I'd like to show off a prototype ZUI (zooming user interface) I'm > working on. It's not (yet) a Humanized project, it's something I'm > monkeying up in my spare time. I'm game. +1 from me. -ted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070410/e2b11691/attachment.htm From shekay at pobox.com Tue Apr 10 21:02:29 2007 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:02:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Proposal for a talk this Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/10/07, Jono wrote: > Hi everybody, > Jono from Humanized here. > I'd like to make a talk at the ChiPy meeting this Thursday, if I can. > If this list isn't the right place to suggest talks, could somebody please > tell me who to mail this to? > > I'd like to show off a prototype ZUI (zooming user interface) I'm working > on. It's not (yet) a Humanized project, it's something I'm monkeying up in > my spare time. I love ZUIs and would love to see a talk on one. When I was in school I wrote and ran an experiment to test reaction times for navigation tasks with different zoom-panning implementations in pad++ (which was in tcl/tk at the time, and is how I first ran into tcl/tk) and I've looked in on the HCILs website over the years to see what they were up to with it. Last I checked they'd migrated to java and the project was called piccolo. (I <3 ZUIs http://del.icio.us/shekay/zui) -- sheila From fitz at red-bean.com Wed Apr 11 05:28:40 2007 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:28:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Chipy this Thursday, April 12th 7pm RSVP encouraged In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0704100450p2858b41fhd73d521f08e6566b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0704100450p2858b41fhd73d521f08e6566b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 4/10/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Chicago Python User Group > ========================= > Location > -------- > > Google's Chicago office > 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor > Chicago, IL 60610 Also, we'll have food (not pizza this time tho). It won't be a dinner, but something hot and hors d'ouvre-y. -Fitz From shekay at pobox.com Wed Apr 11 18:13:10 2007 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:13:10 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Proposal for a talk this Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/10/07, Jono wrote: > Hi everybody, > Additionally, the topic of more specific user-interface design interest is: > * How do we make a zooming user interface that is actually useful for > getting work done and not just a gee-whiz demo? Have something that easily glues information from many different sources together and provides context senstivie suggestions for other links and provides a way for the user not to get lost in the navigation of all that data, and provide a way for them to go back to way points in their work flow. -- sheila From shekay at pobox.com Wed Apr 11 18:19:22 2007 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:19:22 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Proposal for a talk this Thursday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/11/07, sheila miguez wrote: > On 4/10/07, Jono wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > > Additionally, the topic of more specific user-interface design interest is: > > * How do we make a zooming user interface that is actually useful for > > getting work done and not just a gee-whiz demo? > > Have something that easily glues information from many different > sources together and provides context senstivie suggestions for other > links and provides a way for the user not to get lost in the > navigation of all that data, and provide a way for them to go back to > way points in their work flow. And I would like it if you provided something like this for a software development project. So, it should tie in information from all the sources of information I have to jump around every day, but particularly things I have to jump around with on a semi-regular basis since those will be more annoying in that they will most likely fall out of recent memory and require me to waste more time digging. Glue together: issue and bug traggers, emails, source repositories, meta information on source repositors (dependencies, history, etc.), contact information (wouldn't it be nice if I wanted to know why a section of code changed while viewing history and the environment could leap to my fingers with the person's contact information).. but that's just viewing. I want to be able to interact with all of this. And this is where ZUIness would be handly. It would be a whiteboard but at all layers. Make it a distributed peer-to-peer system so that, for example, for a code review, we could connect to the repositor and look at diffs and leave stickie notes on a page that when someone else zooms into that level they can see the notes from other users. I have got this in the back of my mind forever, but never have time to work on it. It's one of those things that you want to use but it doesn't exist yet. Or only in pieces. I've asked around and someone suggested the tools from Smart Bear in Austin at one point. nice, but not quiet there. -- sheila From varmaa at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 18:24:47 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:24:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Proposal for a talk this Thursday In-Reply-To: <461BB639.8000207@personnelware.com> References: <461BB639.8000207@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <361b27370704110924y7a9e35d9kcb246014e0c50a23@mail.gmail.com> On 4/10/07, Carl Karsten wrote: > > I think we have 2 other talks planned, not sure how much time everyone > needs. > > I'll let someone else figure that out. My PyPy talk shouldn't take *too* long, because it's a pretty massive topic and I don't want to overload people with too much information, so I'm just going to be giving a very high-level overview and trying to provide a foundation from which people can learn more about PyPy if they want. So I'm thinking it should take around 30 minutes, which ought to leave a good amount of time for Jono and Feihong to give their presentations. - Atul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070411/b6afda9b/attachment.htm From david at graniteweb.com Wed Apr 11 23:36:02 2007 From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] pyjamas Message-ID: <20070411213602.GA1740@wdfs.graniteweb.com> Has anyone tried using pyjamas? I am trying to implement a webpage with an expandable treeview in the simplest way possible, but have wandered all over the place in the process. I'm stuck on IIS doing it, and pyjamas seems kind of odd to me. I am definitely missing something. I want the tree elements to be links to display status to the right of the tree. I am open to any suggestions as to a simple way to handle this. Thanks. -- David Rock david at graniteweb.com From carl at personnelware.com Thu Apr 12 00:21:32 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:21:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] buddy needs some small SD cards Message-ID: <461D5F6C.1030909@personnelware.com> If you have any small SD cards that are neglected and need a good home, bring them to the meeting so I can drop them in the mail. Friend of mine needs a few (2 or 3) SD cards to test some security thing. he doesn't have any, doesn't live near a store and e-bay wants $8 each for shipping. I told him I would try to find a few and use a 38 cent stamp. I think if I tape them to a post card it will be even cheaper :) If you want a small smart media, I can dig up my 8's and trade you :) Carl K From mark.mchristensen at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 16:36:02 2007 From: mark.mchristensen at gmail.com (Mark Ramm) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:36:02 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] turbogears 2.0 In-Reply-To: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C71@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> References: <5CC0501F-6880-4DBE-8E31-09C4598525AF@iit.edu> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C4B@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C71@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Message-ID: You can absolutely use Genshi/CherryPy3/SQLAlchemy by fall. Right now you can use Genshi/SQLAlchemy very easily, and CherryPy 2-3 shouldn't have any user visible changes unless you were planning on teaching people how to write filters ;) And in we integrated CherryPy 3 into the trunk a few weeks ago, and are looking to release a 1.1 alpha that moves forward support for all three of thee CherryPy 3/Genshi/SQLAlchemy treo. --Mark Ramm On 4/9/07, DiPierro, Massimo wrote: > Thank you. At DePaul we have created a new course on "frameworks for web development". It will be taught in fall and we were hoping to be able to use Turbogears but only if we can do it with Genshi/Cherrpy3/SQLalchemy. Nobody wants to develop teaching material and then everything changes again ;-) > > Massimo > > Massimo Di Pierro > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ > > ________________________________ > > From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Mark Ramm > Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 3:37 PM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] turbogears 2.0 > > > > I expect 1.1 to be released sometime in the next month or two, with > Genshi/Cherrpy3/SQLalchemy as the defaults. We'll still support > current TG projects with very few changes, since SQLObject and Kid > will still be supported. > > If you use CherryPy filters extensively those will need to be > converted into what CherryPy 3 calls Tools -- but in my experience > that has been very painless. > > > TurboGears 2.0 will have a few more changes in how application > configuration is done, and perhaps some updated components, and it > should also include a pretty large change in the way the @expose > decorator is implemented -- but again we're hoping we can maintain the > current API while totally rewriting the implementation. > > So, to answer your question, I'd expect TurboGears 2.0 sometime late > this fall at the earliest. > > --Mark Ramm > > On 4/7/07, DiPierro, Massimo wrote: > > Hi everybody? > > > > Does anybody know when turbogears 2.0 is expected to be released? > > > > Massimo > > > > Massimo Di Pierro > > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 > > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 > > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu > > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > -- > Mark Ramm-Christensen > email: mark at compoundthinking dot com > blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Mark Ramm-Christensen email: mark at compoundthinking dot com blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog From MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu Fri Apr 13 00:03:43 2007 From: MDiPierro at cti.depaul.edu (DiPierro, Massimo) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:03:43 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] turbogears 2.0 References: <5CC0501F-6880-4DBE-8E31-09C4598525AF@iit.edu><6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C4B@haydn.cti.depaul.edu><6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F404781C71@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <6BE417C96732934A83E4BBBB3B7FF2F405429C43@haydn.cti.depaul.edu> good to know, thanks. I ma ask you some moew questions. Massimo Massimo Di Pierro CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ _____ From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Mark Ramm Sent: Thu 4/12/2007 9:36 AM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] turbogears 2.0 You can absolutely use Genshi/CherryPy3/SQLAlchemy by fall. Right now you can use Genshi/SQLAlchemy very easily, and CherryPy 2-3 shouldn't have any user visible changes unless you were planning on teaching people how to write filters ;) And in we integrated CherryPy 3 into the trunk a few weeks ago, and are looking to release a 1.1 alpha that moves forward support for all three of thee CherryPy 3/Genshi/SQLAlchemy treo. --Mark Ramm On 4/9/07, DiPierro, Massimo wrote: > Thank you. At DePaul we have created a new course on "frameworks for web development". It will be taught in fall and we were hoping to be able to use Turbogears but only if we can do it with Genshi/Cherrpy3/SQLalchemy. Nobody wants to develop teaching material and then everything changes again ;-) > > Massimo > > Massimo Di Pierro > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ > > ________________________________ > > From: chicago-bounces at python.org on behalf of Mark Ramm > Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 3:37 PM > To: The Chicago Python Users Group > Subject: Re: [Chicago] turbogears 2.0 > > > > I expect 1.1 to be released sometime in the next month or two, with > Genshi/Cherrpy3/SQLalchemy as the defaults. We'll still support > current TG projects with very few changes, since SQLObject and Kid > will still be supported. > > If you use CherryPy filters extensively those will need to be > converted into what CherryPy 3 calls Tools -- but in my experience > that has been very painless. > > > TurboGears 2.0 will have a few more changes in how application > configuration is done, and perhaps some updated components, and it > should also include a pretty large change in the way the @expose > decorator is implemented -- but again we're hoping we can maintain the > current API while totally rewriting the implementation. > > So, to answer your question, I'd expect TurboGears 2.0 sometime late > this fall at the earliest. > > --Mark Ramm > > On 4/7/07, DiPierro, Massimo wrote: > > Hi everybody? > > > > Does anybody know when turbogears 2.0 is expected to be released? > > > > Massimo > > > > Massimo Di Pierro > > CTI DePaul University, 243 S Wabash Ave, Chicago, IL 60604 > > Tel. +1-312-362-5173, Fax. +1-312-362-6116 > > Email: mdipierro at cs.depaul.edu > > Web page: http://www.metacryption.com/mdp/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > -- > Mark Ramm-Christensen > email: mark at compoundthinking dot com > blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- Mark Ramm-Christensen email: mark at compoundthinking dot com blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From shekay at pobox.com Fri Apr 13 17:59:01 2007 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:59:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Meeting recap? Message-ID: I'm sorry I didn't make it to the meeting but was feeling blah blah blah. I heard that there is a google code page for the ZUI framework. "Your search - zui python - did not generate any results." Is it going to be up soon? completely offtopic: while searching I found http://code.google.com/p/zvm/ which I hadn't heard about before. is anyone here involved in it? -- sheila From varmaa at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 01:07:07 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:07:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyPy Presentation Slides Message-ID: <361b27370704131607o37978debx30a81e34ada69070@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, For anyone who's interested, I've posted the slides from yesterday's PyPy presentation here: http://www.toolness.com/arch/PyPyPresentation_Varma.pdf Thanks again to Fitz and the rest of the Google team for hosting us! - Atul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070413/0cdf694a/attachment.htm From fitz at red-bean.com Sat Apr 14 15:21:31 2007 From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:21:31 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Meeting recap? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/13/07, sheila miguez wrote: > I'm sorry I didn't make it to the meeting but was feeling blah blah blah. > > I heard that there is a google code page for the ZUI framework. "Your > search - zui python - did not generate any results." Is it going to be > up soon? > > completely offtopic: while searching I found > http://code.google.com/p/zvm/ which I hadn't heard about before. is > anyone here involved in it? Heh. That's my colleague Ben's project (I cc'ed him here). -Fitz From varmaa at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 15:34:46 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:34:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Meeting recap? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <361b27370704140634l44670501r5b50da7374dff658@mail.gmail.com> Whoa, that is awesome--I didn't click on the ZVM project until just now. When I was doing research for my PyPy presentation, I was actually toying around with the idea of creating a Z-machine backend for PyPy, just so I could learn more about Z-machine architecture and PyPy at the same time, while providing little to no practical usefulness to anyone. I'd love to see a presentation on this project if Ben's interested in giving one, and I'd totally participate in a coding sprint if one was held. - Atul On 4/14/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On 4/13/07, sheila miguez wrote: > > I'm sorry I didn't make it to the meeting but was feeling blah blah > blah. > > > > I heard that there is a google code page for the ZUI framework. "Your > > search - zui python - did not generate any results." Is it going to be > > up soon? > > > > completely offtopic: while searching I found > > http://code.google.com/p/zvm/ which I hadn't heard about before. is > > anyone here involved in it? > > Heh. That's my colleague Ben's project (I cc'ed him here). > > -Fitz > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070414/8f494002/attachment.htm From varmaa at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 16:15:45 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:15:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Meeting recap? In-Reply-To: <361b27370704140634l44670501r5b50da7374dff658@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370704140634l44670501r5b50da7374dff658@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370704140715o3462c22cy2fa12bc825a4c49a@mail.gmail.com> As a minor digression, I'd like to briefly and shamelessly plug an article I wrote about adventure games back in 2005, which never got published on a gaming site I wrote for due to some complications. So I put it up on my personal site a few weeks ago. "Information Complexity and the Downfall of the Adventure Game" http://www.toolness.com/wp/?page_id=13 - Atul On 4/14/07, Atul Varma wrote: > Whoa, that is awesome--I didn't click on the ZVM project until just now. When I was doing research for my PyPy presentation, I was actually toying around with the idea of creating a Z-machine backend for PyPy, just so I could learn more about Z-machine architecture and PyPy at the same time, while providing little to no practical usefulness to anyone. > > I'd love to see a presentation on this project if Ben's interested in giving one, and I'd totally participate in a coding sprint if one was held. > > - Atul > > > > On 4/14/07, Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On 4/13/07, sheila miguez wrote: > > > I'm sorry I didn't make it to the meeting but was feeling blah blah blah. > > > > > > I heard that there is a google code page for the ZUI framework. "Your > > > search - zui python - did not generate any results." Is it going to be > > > up soon? > > > > > > completely offtopic: while searching I found > > > http://code.google.com/p/zvm/ which I hadn't heard about before. is > > > anyone here involved in it? > > > > Heh. That's my colleague Ben's project (I cc'ed him here). > > > > -Fitz > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > From carl at personnelware.com Sat Apr 14 18:49:52 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:49:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] python searching Message-ID: <46210630.1050304@personnelware.com> I can't be the only one - I think this is a common problem. I want a one stop shopping version of searching for python stuff. Like most users, I don't have any specifics, just some fuzzy annoyance in my life that I want someone else to fix. well, I'll try to give some clues. It seems whatever python related thing I am searching for the process goes like this: http://www.python.org/doc/ "Python Documentation" it has a "search box" but looking at the html I see: <..."sitesearch" value="www.python.org"...> so it is searching more than just the docs section. I click on "advanced search" http://www.python.org/search and get 3 more search boxes plus some links to other places to search. None of them let me limit the search to docs. http://www.python.org/dev/searchplugin/ "This will install a Python Bugs search engine in Firefox/Mozilla's Search Bar." That is the right concept, but I want to search docs. Of course there are language docs, standard library docs and a variety of other docs. What I would like to see: a search that aggregates across all of the various python doc searches. Ok, I feel better now. thanks for listening. Carl K From varmaa at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 18:57:30 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:57:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] python searching In-Reply-To: <46210630.1050304@personnelware.com> References: <46210630.1050304@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <361b27370704140957u5d870e94ue347a81c7f47d4eb@mail.gmail.com> Do you ever do straight Google searches that aren't restricted to a specific site? I usually do that... It's often helpful because it can link to ASPN Python Cookbook recipes, the Cheese Shop, the sites of other third-party packages that might fulfill my needs, forum and mailing list posts, etc. Maybe I'm not quite understanding your question, though... - Atul On 4/14/07, Carl Karsten wrote: > I can't be the only one - I think this is a common problem. > > I want a one stop shopping version of searching for python stuff. Like most > users, I don't have any specifics, just some fuzzy annoyance in my life that I > want someone else to fix. well, I'll try to give some clues. > > It seems whatever python related thing I am searching for the process goes like > this: > > http://www.python.org/doc/ "Python Documentation" it has a "search box" but > looking at the html I see: <..."sitesearch" value="www.python.org"...> so it is > searching more than just the docs section. > > I click on "advanced search" http://www.python.org/search and get 3 more search > boxes plus some links to other places to search. None of them let me limit the > search to docs. > > http://www.python.org/dev/searchplugin/ "This will install a Python Bugs search > engine in Firefox/Mozilla's Search Bar." That is the right concept, but I want > to search docs. > > Of course there are language docs, standard library docs and a variety of other > docs. > > What I would like to see: a search that aggregates across all of the various > python doc searches. > > Ok, I feel better now. thanks for listening. > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From carl at personnelware.com Sat Apr 14 19:28:07 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:28:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] python searching In-Reply-To: <361b27370704140957u5d870e94ue347a81c7f47d4eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <46210630.1050304@personnelware.com> <361b27370704140957u5d870e94ue347a81c7f47d4eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46210F27.7040902@personnelware.com> I do that too, but google alone (even with advanced options) is too broad. more often I have read about something and want to see the official docs, not 1000 other articles about it, which is what I often end up wading through when I use google. I hadn't given too much thought to exactly what should fall under the ">> variety of other docs" - might have to come up with a list of root URL's and hit google for each one. which it currently doesn't support. (you can limit to a site, but not site/dir. # Occurrences: specify where your search terms occur on the page - anywhere on the page, in the title, or in the url. # Domains: search only a specific website, or exclude that site from your search. - http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/refinesearch.html#domain It would probably suffice to limit the search to a list of domains and the title. Carl K Atul Varma wrote: > Do you ever do straight Google searches that aren't restricted to a > specific site? I usually do that... It's often helpful because it can > link to ASPN Python Cookbook recipes, the Cheese Shop, the sites of > other third-party packages that might fulfill my needs, forum and > mailing list posts, etc. > > Maybe I'm not quite understanding your question, though... > > - Atul > > On 4/14/07, Carl Karsten wrote: >> I can't be the only one - I think this is a common problem. >> >> I want a one stop shopping version of searching for python stuff. Like most >> users, I don't have any specifics, just some fuzzy annoyance in my life that I >> want someone else to fix. well, I'll try to give some clues. >> >> It seems whatever python related thing I am searching for the process goes like >> this: >> >> http://www.python.org/doc/ "Python Documentation" it has a "search box" but >> looking at the html I see: <..."sitesearch" value="www.python.org"...> so it is >> searching more than just the docs section. >> >> I click on "advanced search" http://www.python.org/search and get 3 more search >> boxes plus some links to other places to search. None of them let me limit the >> search to docs. >> >> http://www.python.org/dev/searchplugin/ "This will install a Python Bugs search >> engine in Firefox/Mozilla's Search Bar." That is the right concept, but I want >> to search docs. >> >> Of course there are language docs, standard library docs and a variety of other >> docs. >> >> What I would like to see: a search that aggregates across all of the various >> python doc searches. >> >> Ok, I feel better now. thanks for listening. >> >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From sussman at red-bean.com Sat Apr 14 22:00:48 2007 From: sussman at red-bean.com (Ben Collins-Sussman) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:00:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Meeting recap? In-Reply-To: <361b27370704140634l44670501r5b50da7374dff658@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370704140634l44670501r5b50da7374dff658@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53c059c90704141300n25efe6fdtfb11f43a44925957@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/07, Atul Varma wrote: > I'd love to see a presentation on this project if Ben's interested in giving > one, and I'd totally participate in a coding sprint if one was held. Sure, I could give a talk... though I'm not entirely sure how interesting it would be to general ChiPy group. It seems more like something to talk about after we have working software. The thing is, the z-machine is complex and pathological. The pure-python z-machine implementation is about 60% finished, and at least half of the remaining parts are UI related. What makes the z-machine UI so tricky is that it doesn't really abstract the screen and user input well. It's really hard to write a z-machine which isn't tightly bound to a specific GUI toolkit. A hero in the IF community made a valiant attempt to create a portable API to separate 'machine' from 'UI', and it's called GLK... basically a single C header file that back-ends (interpreters) can use to talk to front-ends. So in theory, any number of back-end implementations can be easily hooked up to a bunch of GLK-compliant front-ends. This turns to work out pretty well, assuming all front-ends and back-ends are written in C. Since I'm busy writing my back-end in python, though, I'm stuck trying to swig-ify the glk.h header... or something. Haven't figured out the something yet, but it would be nice if people could help on this. My current goal is to create a python class (ZUI) which is nothing but a template with stub functions. Subclasses could implement real connections to front-ends. I'd like to write a subclass which uses irclib.py, so that the front-end would be an IRC bot (so that multiple people could cooperatively play an adventure). Another idea is to write a subclass which provides a Sugar UI for the OLPC laptop (think of the children!!). Finally, we should write a subclass which speaks to standard GLK-compliant front-ends, via C libraries somehow. The fact is, defining this UI class is Really Hard. The game (program) has to do complex feature-negotiation with the back-end interpreter, and the interpreter has to do complex feature-negotation with the front-end. Eek. But hey, yeah, hackathon anyone? :-) From varmaa at gmail.com Sat Apr 14 22:40:49 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:40:49 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Meeting recap? In-Reply-To: <53c059c90704141300n25efe6fdtfb11f43a44925957@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370704140634l44670501r5b50da7374dff658@mail.gmail.com> <53c059c90704141300n25efe6fdtfb11f43a44925957@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370704141340o7db01a92vc54bf4c36c6cd18@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/07, Ben Collins-Sussman wrote: > A hero in the IF community made a valiant attempt to create a portable > API to separate 'machine' from 'UI', and it's called GLK... basically > a single C header file that back-ends (interpreters) can use to talk > to front-ends. So in theory, any number of back-end implementations > can be easily hooked up to a bunch of GLK-compliant front-ends. This > turns to work out pretty well, assuming all front-ends and back-ends > are written in C. Since I'm busy writing my back-end in python, > though, I'm stuck trying to swig-ify the glk.h header... or something. > Haven't figured out the something yet, but it would be nice if people > could help on this. Um... This is actually right up my alley. Unless someone else really wants to do this, I'm going to start working on it. (Or if I'm totally jumping the gun by saying this, please let me know--I don't want to step on any toes!) > But hey, yeah, hackathon anyone? :-) Absolutely! We could totally do it as one of those TechCoffee things, or we could make it a sprint sort of thing... Whatever works... Anything for interactive fiction, yo. - Atul From tottinge at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 01:52:16 2007 From: tottinge at gmail.com (Tim Ottinger) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:52:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] python searching In-Reply-To: <46210630.1050304@personnelware.com> References: <46210630.1050304@personnelware.com> Message-ID: This works if the solution is on your box (generally): In python, type: help() then type: modules whateverBugsYou Then for the modules that it returns, pick some that are promising. Type: modulename then try ^D to return to normal operatoin. Python's built in help is really quite good. When that fails, you go to google with: python whatever bugs you Or try some IRC maybe. I confess I've never hung out in #chipy. I will hang out there more often. Then maybe I can help. If I'm there, I'm probably not in the middle of something and can probably help you. and if you are still stuck, you email this group. :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/attachments/20070414/7cd0d0ad/attachment.htm From ianb at colorstudy.com Sun Apr 15 02:34:29 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:34:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] python searching In-Reply-To: <46210630.1050304@personnelware.com> References: <46210630.1050304@personnelware.com> Message-ID: <46217315.7050603@colorstudy.com> Of course if you had searched google you would have found it! (#4 for google python search) http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=010104417661136834118%3Aat1-hsftvfo Carl Karsten wrote: > I can't be the only one - I think this is a common problem. > > I want a one stop shopping version of searching for python stuff. Like most > users, I don't have any specifics, just some fuzzy annoyance in my life that I > want someone else to fix. well, I'll try to give some clues. > > It seems whatever python related thing I am searching for the process goes like > this: > > http://www.python.org/doc/ "Python Documentation" it has a "search box" but > looking at the html I see: <..."sitesearch" value="www.python.org"...> so it is > searching more than just the docs section. > > I click on "advanced search" http://www.python.org/search and get 3 more search > boxes plus some links to other places to search. None of them let me limit the > search to docs. > > http://www.python.org/dev/searchplugin/ "This will install a Python Bugs search > engine in Firefox/Mozilla's Search Bar." That is the right concept, but I want > to search docs. > > Of course there are language docs, standard library docs and a variety of other > docs. > > What I would like to see: a search that aggregates across all of the various > python doc searches. > > Ok, I feel better now. thanks for listening. > > Carl K > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From sussman at red-bean.com Sat Apr 14 22:46:50 2007 From: sussman at red-bean.com (Ben Collins-Sussman) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:46:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Meeting recap? In-Reply-To: <361b27370704141340o7db01a92vc54bf4c36c6cd18@mail.gmail.com> References: <361b27370704140634l44670501r5b50da7374dff658@mail.gmail.com> <53c059c90704141300n25efe6fdtfb11f43a44925957@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704141340o7db01a92vc54bf4c36c6cd18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53c059c90704141346g381a8bb5pcf2f5e2e27c8efea@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/07, Atul Varma wrote: > Um... This is actually right up my alley. Unless someone else really > wants to do this, I'm going to start working on it. (Or if I'm > totally jumping the gun by saying this, please let me know--I don't > want to step on any toes!) OK, so google for 'pyglk'. It's somebody's attempt to python-swig-ify the glk.h header. The README within pyglk shows what's going on. Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to either make pyglk usable for us, or create your own hand-made python bindings to glk. Also, we should continue this discussion on the zvm list ... zvm at red-bean.com. ;-) From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Apr 13 19:29:31 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:29:31 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue Message-ID: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> Thanks again to Fitz and Google for hosting last nights meeting. As a heads up, we're going to need to figure out where we're meeting in May. It's a ways off, but it can't hurt to start figuring it out now. If anyone has access to a good spot, let's get the ball rolling. Chris From varmaa at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 14:49:57 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 07:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> Good idea, Chris. There's a presentation room in Conrad Sulzer Regional Library, though I'm not sure if they have a projector available. I can call and check if you need me to. - Atul On 4/13/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Thanks again to Fitz and Google for hosting last nights meeting. > > As a heads up, we're going to need to figure out where we're meeting > in May. It's a ways off, but it can't hurt to start figuring it out > now. If anyone has access to a good spot, let's get the ball rolling. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 15:32:01 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 08:32:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0704150632v174b0579uee9d2bccf461c172@mail.gmail.com> On 4/15/07, Atul Varma wrote: > Good idea, Chris. There's a presentation room in Conrad Sulzer > Regional Library, though I'm not sure if they have a projector > available. I can call and check if you need me to. > Sure...I don't "need you to," but volunteers are the best sorts of awesome people. Hurray for Atul! Captain of Libraries! Chris From carl at personnelware.com Sun Apr 15 17:49:26 2007 From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:49:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] python searching In-Reply-To: <46217315.7050603@colorstudy.com> References: <46210630.1050304@personnelware.com> <46217315.7050603@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <46224986.9060404@personnelware.com> You are sugesting I google for google? Would I be googling google or google googling? "Google Co-op is a platform that enables you to customize the web search experience for users of both Google and your own website." - http://www.google.com/coop/ How absolutely charming! Carl K Ian Bicking wrote: > Of course if you had searched google you would have found it! (#4 for > google python search) > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=010104417661136834118%3Aat1-hsftvfo > > Carl Karsten wrote: >> I can't be the only one - I think this is a common problem. >> >> I want a one stop shopping version of searching for python stuff. Like most >> users, I don't have any specifics, just some fuzzy annoyance in my life that I >> want someone else to fix. well, I'll try to give some clues. >> >> It seems whatever python related thing I am searching for the process goes like >> this: >> >> http://www.python.org/doc/ "Python Documentation" it has a "search box" but >> looking at the html I see: <..."sitesearch" value="www.python.org"...> so it is >> searching more than just the docs section. >> >> I click on "advanced search" http://www.python.org/search and get 3 more search >> boxes plus some links to other places to search. None of them let me limit the >> search to docs. >> >> http://www.python.org/dev/searchplugin/ "This will install a Python Bugs search >> engine in Firefox/Mozilla's Search Bar." That is the right concept, but I want >> to search docs. >> >> Of course there are language docs, standard library docs and a variety of other >> docs. >> >> What I would like to see: a search that aggregates across all of the various >> python doc searches. >> >> Ok, I feel better now. thanks for listening. >> >> Carl K >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > From esinclai at pobox.com Mon Apr 16 04:52:15 2007 From: esinclai at pobox.com (Eric Sinclair) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:52:15 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> The Sulzer library would be very convenient for some (ok, me and Chris at least), and public transportation is pretty good (even with the three-tracking of the Brown Line). http://chipublib.org/002branches/sulzer/sulzer.html The large room on the North side of the library does have projection equipment - I've seen it used for a couple presentations (including CTA 'discussions' of station closings). -Eric On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Atul Varma wrote: > Good idea, Chris. There's a presentation room in Conrad Sulzer > Regional Library, though I'm not sure if they have a projector > available. I can call and check if you need me to. > > - Atul > > On 4/13/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: >> Thanks again to Fitz and Google for hosting last nights meeting. >> >> As a heads up, we're going to need to figure out where we're meeting >> in May. It's a ways off, but it can't hurt to start figuring it out >> now. If anyone has access to a good spot, let's get the ball >> rolling. >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago mailing list >> Chicago at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago >> > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago -- esinclai at pobox.com aim/skype/twitter: esinclai http://www.kittyjoyce.com/eric/log/ jabber: esinclai at gmail.com From rcriii at ramsdells.net Mon Apr 16 14:03:11 2007 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (Robert Ramsdell) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:03:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1176724991.29390.3.camel@Virginia> Speaking of Libraries, I'm going to put in one more pitch for the Downers Grove Library. There are two meeting rooms, and it is less than a block from Metra (BNSF line), two coffee shops and two bars. Plus it's been two years since our one-and-only suburban meeting. Any other suburbanites want to second my motion? I'll even offer to cover SimPy again. Robert On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 21:52 -0500, Eric Sinclair wrote: > The Sulzer library would be very convenient for some (ok, me and > Chris at least), and public transportation is pretty good (even with > the three-tracking of the Brown Line). > > http://chipublib.org/002branches/sulzer/sulzer.html > > The large room on the North side of the library does have projection > equipment - I've seen it used for a couple presentations (including > CTA 'discussions' of station closings). > > -Eric > > On Apr 15, 2007, at 7:49 AM, Atul Varma wrote: > > > Good idea, Chris. There's a presentation room in Conrad Sulzer > > Regional Library, though I'm not sure if they have a projector > > available. I can call and check if you need me to. > > > > - Atul > > > > On 4/13/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > >> Thanks again to Fitz and Google for hosting last nights meeting. > >> > >> As a heads up, we're going to need to figure out where we're meeting > >> in May. It's a ways off, but it can't hurt to start figuring it out > >> now. If anyone has access to a good spot, let's get the ball > >> rolling. > >> > >> Chris > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chicago mailing list > >> Chicago at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From bray at sent.com Mon Apr 16 23:53:00 2007 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:53:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> Message-ID: <905A6232-15D3-4A11-B929-3435D0259D29@sent.com> On Apr 15, 2007, at 9:52 PM, Eric Sinclair wrote: > The Sulzer library would be very convenient for some (ok, me and > Chris at least), and public transportation is pretty good (even with > the three-tracking of the Brown Line). > > http://chipublib.org/002branches/sulzer/sulzer.html > > The large room on the North side of the library does have projection > equipment - I've seen it used for a couple presentations (including > CTA 'discussions' of station closings). We have had Sprints at libraries before. We tried for meetings, but the Library hours did not accommodate. So, be careful of the hours and availability. Regards, Brian Ray From varmaa at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 01:24:53 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:24:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <905A6232-15D3-4A11-B929-3435D0259D29@sent.com> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> <905A6232-15D3-4A11-B929-3435D0259D29@sent.com> Message-ID: <361b27370704161624s2776391eia3d1495071898c60@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/07, Brian Ray wrote: > We have had Sprints at libraries before. We tried for meetings, but > the Library hours did not accommodate. So, be careful of the hours > and availability. Aye, I just called them and while they do have a Proxima machine available for projections, we can basically only meet until the library closes at 9pm sharp. This probably actually means that we'll have to start cleaning up around 8:50, and if we meet at around 7pm like we usually do, it doesn't give us as much time as we normally have for meetings. If that's unacceptable though, please let me know. In any case, I asked the secretary at the library to email me a document of the meeting terms and conditions, and once I get that and sign it (I think) I will be able to contact their meeting coordinator to see if we can reserve their meeting room for May 10. Of course, I won't be offended if anyone schedules a meeting somewhere else in the meantime... Just trying to get the ball rolling, as Chris said, so as long as we have a venue *somewhere*, it's all good. - Atul From maney at two14.net Tue Apr 17 05:41:32 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:41:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <1176724991.29390.3.camel@Virginia> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> <1176724991.29390.3.camel@Virginia> Message-ID: <20070417034132.GB14001@furrr.two14.net> On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:03:11AM -0500, Robert Ramsdell wrote: > Speaking of Libraries, I'm going to put in one more pitch for the > Downers Grove Library. There are two meeting rooms, and it is less than > a block from Metra (BNSF line), two coffee shops and two bars. Plus > it's been two years since our one-and-only suburban meeting. I hate to appear to disagree with someone who's trying to get the snake to visit our local area of the greater, but we've had several meetings around that table of David's. Maybe you only got to one? It certainly has been a while... > Any other suburbanites want to second my motion? Conditionally: David's meeting room's rather closer to me :-) And as someone else suggested about another potential library, would they kick us out too early for comfort? > I'll even offer to cover SimPy again. Don't get stuck in a rut, now. :-) -- You arguably have quite a few inalienable rights, but being taken seriously isn't one of them. Neither is being respected. -- Rick Moen From rcriii at ramsdells.net Tue Apr 17 12:57:23 2007 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (Robert Ramsdell) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:57:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <20070417034132.GB14001@furrr.two14.net> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> <1176724991.29390.3.camel@Virginia> <20070417034132.GB14001@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <1176807443.1545.4.camel@Virginia> On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 22:41 -0500, Martin Maney wrote: > I hate to appear to disagree with someone who's trying to get the snake > to visit our local area of the greater, but we've had several meetings > around that table of David's. Maybe you only got to one? It certainly > has been a while... Evidently I only made one, as that is all I remember. I also remember meeting there before driving downtown once. > > > Any other suburbanites want to second my motion? > > Conditionally: David's meeting room's rather closer to me :-) And as > someone else suggested about another potential library, would they kick > us out too early for comfort? Alas, they close at 9:00 as well. > > > I'll even offer to cover SimPy again. > > Don't get stuck in a rut, now. :-) Well, it's been two years. SimPy has advanced some... Robert From david at graniteweb.com Wed Apr 18 03:16:28 2007 From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:16:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <20070417034132.GB14001@furrr.two14.net> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> <1176724991.29390.3.camel@Virginia> <20070417034132.GB14001@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <20070418011628.GA13728@wdfs.graniteweb.com> * Martin Maney [2007-04-16 22:41]: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:03:11AM -0500, Robert Ramsdell wrote: > > Speaking of Libraries, I'm going to put in one more pitch for the > > Downers Grove Library. There are two meeting rooms, and it is less than > > a block from Metra (BNSF line), two coffee shops and two bars. Plus > > it's been two years since our one-and-only suburban meeting. > > I hate to appear to disagree with someone who's trying to get the snake > to visit our local area of the greater, but we've had several meetings > around that table of David's. Maybe you only got to one? It certainly > has been a while... > > > Any other suburbanites want to second my motion? > > Conditionally: David's meeting room's rather closer to me :-) And as > someone else suggested about another potential library, would they kick > us out too early for comfort? Unfortunately, Acxiom would no longer be an option (unless I can get someone else there to request it, which is possible). I have recently moved to a different company, and as such, I no longer have direct access to request the space. I can fire off a flare to some of the guys there if we want to persue it. -- David Rock david at graniteweb.com From maney at two14.net Wed Apr 18 19:10:41 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:10:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <20070418011628.GA13728@wdfs.graniteweb.com> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> <1176724991.29390.3.camel@Virginia> <20070417034132.GB14001@furrr.two14.net> <20070418011628.GA13728@wdfs.graniteweb.com> Message-ID: <20070418171041.GA16405@furrr.two14.net> > someone else there to request it, which is possible). I have recently > moved to a different company, and as such, I no longer have direct > access to request the space. Well, that would follow logically, then. I hope it was a happy move for you. Darn it. -- In software as well as in modern art, the distinction between intentional and accidental omissions is often difficult to make. -- Andrew Hunt & David Thomas From pfein at pobox.com Wed Apr 18 20:09:00 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:09:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Setuptools talk? Message-ID: <200704181309.02055.pfein@pobox.com> Hi all- After several months of beating my head against the wall, I've finally gotten the hang of setuptools/easy_install. It's really quite nice, though I'll admit to an ongoing love/hate relationship (as IRC denizens can attest). I'd be happy to give a talk on the basics of using it for local package installation. I still haven't figured out how to use it for packaging my own software, but if I figure that out before then I'll cover that too. A little birdie told me Ian gave a similar talk a while ago http://svn.colorstudy.com/home/ianb/setuptools-presentation/ (I haven't looked yet). FWIW, I would strongly prefer a venue in the city or barring that, at least accessible by public transit or an inner suburb (I'd bike). --Pete -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From shekay at pobox.com Wed Apr 18 20:21:51 2007 From: shekay at pobox.com (sheila miguez) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:21:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Last Night & New Venue In-Reply-To: <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> References: <3096c19d0704131029w5da2b83cxd4f8a25d9aca3464@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704150549t620d3c57kc8b21560769b5e0d@mail.gmail.com> <79E83B13-8ECA-4E3E-9F49-F696021B4FF0@pobox.com> Message-ID: On 4/15/07, Eric Sinclair wrote: > The Sulzer library would be very convenient for some (ok, me and > Chris at least), and public transportation is pretty good (even with > the three-tracking of the Brown Line). Sulzer is good for me, since I live near that neighborhood. It is easily accessible from the Western brown line stop. The Ravenswood metra stop is a reasonably close walk. -- sheila From pfein at pobox.com Wed Apr 18 23:02:42 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Setuptools talk? In-Reply-To: <200704181309.02055.pfein@pobox.com> References: <200704181309.02055.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <200704181602.42391.pfein@pobox.com> On Wednesday April 18 2007 1:09 pm, Pete wrote: > I'd be happy to give a talk on the basics of using it for local package > installation. I still haven't figured out how to use it for packaging my > own software, but if I figure that out before then I'll cover that too. Sry for replying to myself... Are folks familiar with distutils? I'm particularly thinking for packaging purposes. I think my setuptools-packaging experience is likely to stop at adding support for downloading dependencies, since anything more *requires* setuptools and I want to support distutils as well. Anyway, I guess I'd like to make the talk "Install w/ Setuptools; Package w/ Distutils". -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From damien at grassart.com Thu Apr 19 01:45:44 2007 From: damien at grassart.com (Damien Grassart) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:45:44 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Setuptools talk? In-Reply-To: <200704181309.02055.pfein@pobox.com> References: <200704181309.02055.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4626ADA8.1020506@grassart.com> Pete wrote: > FWIW, I would strongly prefer a venue in the city or barring that, at least > accessible by public transit or an inner suburb (I'd bike). > > I'm definitely interested in a setuptools talk, so +1 to keeping it in the city, if possible. -Damien From verisimilidude at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 04:19:48 2007 From: verisimilidude at gmail.com (Phil Robare) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:19:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Boa vs. Python movie Message-ID: <6ad48f980704181919h746bf3a5sd939890c26117077@mail.gmail.com> The name sounded fun, "Boa vs. Python", a sort of so-bad-its-good movie from the fascination of Hollywood with snakes silliness. And it mentions my favorite computer language in the title. But after reading this review, http://www.somethingawful.com/d/movie-reviews/boa-vs-python.php I think the best thing about it may be the review and I will stay away from the actual DVD. Did anyone actually see this - passed below my radar when it came out in 2004. From szybalski at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 05:53:34 2007 From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:53:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Setuptools talk? In-Reply-To: <4626ADA8.1020506@grassart.com> References: <200704181309.02055.pfein@pobox.com> <4626ADA8.1020506@grassart.com> Message-ID: <804e5c70704192053u48bd0f3cx87a3561ae714774f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/18/07, Damien Grassart wrote: > Pete wrote: > > FWIW, I would strongly prefer a venue in the city or barring that, at least > > accessible by public transit or an inner suburb (I'd bike). > > > > > I'm definitely interested in a setuptools talk, so +1 to keeping it in > the city, if possible. > Let me know when and were ? Lucas > -Damien > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > -- -- Linux is not magic. It just works. http://www.lucasmanual.com Fax Server from start to finish: http://www.lucasmanual.com/pdf/FaxServer.pdf From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 15:36:59 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:36:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May Location Message-ID: <3096c19d0704200636i5fbdb791ycc49b8b9b8ef98f3@mail.gmail.com> After many hours of backroom negotiations, bribes, and a tense hostage situation that left audiences breathless, we have a place to meet in May. At SkinnyCorp (http://skinnycorp.com) in Ravenswood. Talks TBD (at least one of which will be a Pete led setuptools talk). If anyone else has anything else they'd like to talk about, speak up. Feihong missed his window last time because of some miscommunication on my part, so hopefully he can talk this time around. Chris From ianb at colorstudy.com Mon Apr 23 04:14:32 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:14:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] UniForum / OLPC (Tues Apr 24, 7pm) Message-ID: <462C1688.2060206@colorstudy.com> If you missed my March ChiPy presentation on the One Laptop Per Child program, I'll be giving another presentation at UniForum this Tuesday (probably a bit more organized than the ChiPy one). It's out in Wheaton. More info at: http://www.uniforum.chi.il.us/meetings/100laptop.html I'll be driving from Uptown, so potentially I could carpool. But of course I cannot be late, and I'll probably be sticking around after. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Apr 23 20:10:47 2007 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:10:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] BARcamp - Chicago 2007 Message-ID: <462CF6A7.4020000@hostedlabs.com> Hi Everyone! BARcamp - Chicago 2007 is in the planning stages now, shooting for June, and I wanted to reach out to everyone and give an update and ask for help. Last years BARcamp was a big success, thanks to most of you on the list here and all the people that showed up and contributed. I have been getting pings from lots of people over the last few months about the next one and based on community feedback I am expecting it to be at least twice the size of last years. I picked up a few ideas from attending Yahoo's HackDay and a few other events. Also, I believe Chicago's Web2.0 Beta Meetup for the month of June will happen at BARcamp. Other user groups are welcome to hold meetings there (just not all at the same time) to get broader community involvement. It may be a good place to have a beginners intro to your language as part of the meeting. Where we are at: ---------------- The search for the venue is on! This is the biggest hurdle. Last year the community came through in a big way for everything else but we have to have a place to make it happen. What We Need: ------------- A VENUE! 1) 5000+ sq/ft (last year was 2600ish I think?).. 2) 72 full hours access, Friday evening to Monday morning (last year I finished cleaning up at 06:30am Monday morning) 3) A shower would be great. AC is a must. NOTE: June should be cooler than last year ;-) 4) No serious noise constraints (last year was quiet enough but still would have disturbed sleeping neighbors) 5) Close-ish to downtown Chicago or L stop. 6) Internet access.. somehow.. What We Have: ------------- 1) Insurance 2) A reasonable budget to pay for the facility for the weekend 3) Equipment, sundries, volunteers and enthusiasm ;-) What Can You Do: ---------------- Help in any form is welcome. 1) Help find a venue, send me names, phone numbers, addresses.. anything you can think of to help find a space. 2) Blog, post, link, forward the email, spread the word. The wiki isn't live yet, but will be coming on-line shortly: http://barcampchicago.com/ 3) Sponsorship - just like last year, not asking for a lot, no set fees, no admission to attend so its all volunteer and sponsor driven. 4) Give a talk - we had some great presentations last year. This year we may have a start-up competition and some more organized hack-jams/code-sprints. 5) Show up!.. everyone is welcome if you are interested in technology and the community here in Chicago. Well, thats it for now. Feel free to email me or give me a call if you have any ideas, suggestions or questions! -jason jason at hostedlabs.com 847.208.1000 From tim.saylor at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 17:02:00 2007 From: tim.saylor at gmail.com (Tim Saylor) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:02:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Boa vs. Python movie Message-ID: <9fb45b0b0704200802i7afc33a3h4971884ed72f5b9b@mail.gmail.com> Sweet merciful crap that movie's amazing! It's on netflix, you have no excuse not to see it. From pfein at pobox.com Tue Apr 24 19:00:33 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:00:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Boa vs. Python movie In-Reply-To: <9fb45b0b0704200802i7afc33a3h4971884ed72f5b9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9fb45b0b0704200802i7afc33a3h4971884ed72f5b9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200704241200.33499.pfein@pobox.com> On Friday April 20 2007 10:02 am, Tim Saylor wrote: > Sweet merciful crap that movie's amazing! It's on netflix, you have > no excuse not to see it. I don't have a television - is that a good excuse? :-P -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From maney at two14.net Tue Apr 24 19:04:21 2007 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:04:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Boa vs. Python movie In-Reply-To: <200704241200.33499.pfein@pobox.com> References: <9fb45b0b0704200802i7afc33a3h4971884ed72f5b9b@mail.gmail.com> <200704241200.33499.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20070424170421.GA21699@furrr.two14.net> On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 12:00:33PM -0500, Pete wrote: > I don't have a television - is that a good excuse? :-P No, you can watch it on your laptop, can't you? Me, I'm a concientous objector: it sounds like it might make me puke, and I object to that. -- There is no greater hoax in this story than the rush to put young children on computers, in the belief that it will prepare them for tomorrow's jobs. -- Todd Oppenheimer From pfein at pobox.com Tue Apr 24 20:31:21 2007 From: pfein at pobox.com (Pete) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:31:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Boa vs. Python movie In-Reply-To: <20070424170421.GA21699@furrr.two14.net> References: <9fb45b0b0704200802i7afc33a3h4971884ed72f5b9b@mail.gmail.com> <200704241200.33499.pfein@pobox.com> <20070424170421.GA21699@furrr.two14.net> Message-ID: <200704241331.22686.pfein@pobox.com> On Tuesday April 24 2007 12:04 pm, Martin Maney wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 12:00:33PM -0500, Pete wrote: > > I don't have a television - is that a good excuse? :-P > > No, you can watch it on your laptop, can't you? Perhaps; I've never actually figured out how to do that. > Me, I'm a concientous objector: it sounds like it might make me puke, > and I object to that. I object to television in any media. -- Peter Fein || 773-575-0694 || pfein at pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~pfein/ || PGP: 0xCCF6AE6B irc: pfein at freenode.net || jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Apr 25 18:35:33 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:35:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] OLPC vs Classmate Message-ID: <462F8355.9040707@colorstudy.com> The Classmate PC is laaame... http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/04/intel_olpc_smac.html I'd been under the impression it was just a slightly different class, but it's barely any more powerful than the XO. Comparison chart here: http://laptopmag.com/features/Intel-vs-OLPC-Battle-of-Good-Wills.htm?Page=2 Note that the goals for battery life for the XO are actually higher than what's listed, though probably the standard they use for measuring it doesn't work for the techniques OLPC is trying (the XO will be usable even when asleep, so for some kinds of usage the power consumption will be lower). Also, the XO won't use Lithium Ion batteries because of safety issues. Here's a nice picture of the Classmate's screen: http://flickr.com/photos/dcmetroblogger/409238819/in/set-72157594232448993 -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 18:46:29 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:46:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] OLPC vs Classmate In-Reply-To: <462F8355.9040707@colorstudy.com> References: <462F8355.9040707@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0704250946i5821bc92rd1ccb100b77860ce@mail.gmail.com> The classmate looks like a "my first soul sucking laptop." I heard it comes with "kiddie-Quicken" for managing your allowance. (that last part isn't true.) The goals are so wildly different between classmate and olpc...one is trying to change the world, the other is trying to keep the status quo. (deciding which is which is an exercise left to the reader, hint: olpc is trying to change the world.) *snap* Chris On 4/25/07, Ian Bicking wrote: > The Classmate PC is laaame... > > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/04/intel_olpc_smac.html > > I'd been under the impression it was just a slightly different class, > but it's barely any more powerful than the XO. > > Comparison chart here: > > http://laptopmag.com/features/Intel-vs-OLPC-Battle-of-Good-Wills.htm?Page=2 > > Note that the goals for battery life for the XO are actually higher than > what's listed, though probably the standard they use for measuring it > doesn't work for the techniques OLPC is trying (the XO will be usable > even when asleep, so for some kinds of usage the power consumption will > be lower). Also, the XO won't use Lithium Ion batteries because of > safety issues. > > Here's a nice picture of the Classmate's screen: > > http://flickr.com/photos/dcmetroblogger/409238819/in/set-72157594232448993 > > -- > Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org > | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From varmaa at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 19:07:59 2007 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:07:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] OLPC vs Classmate In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0704250946i5821bc92rd1ccb100b77860ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <462F8355.9040707@colorstudy.com> <3096c19d0704250946i5821bc92rd1ccb100b77860ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <361b27370704251007sa03c2b6j5bdce2a9ad27a8cd@mail.gmail.com> Is the Classmate actually being marketed to the U.S. or to the third-world? I could see it being fairly cool if it was actually intended for U.S. audiences, which have better access to power and such, but as far as the whole third-world thing goes, it does appear as though the OLPC has the upper hand. - Atul On 4/25/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > The classmate looks like a "my first soul sucking laptop." I heard it > comes with "kiddie-Quicken" for managing your allowance. > > (that last part isn't true.) > > The goals are so wildly different between classmate and olpc...one is > trying to change the world, the other is trying to keep the status > quo. (deciding which is which is an exercise left to the reader, > hint: olpc is trying to change the world.) > > *snap* > > Chris > > On 4/25/07, Ian Bicking wrote: > > The Classmate PC is laaame... > > > > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/04/intel_olpc_smac.html > > > > I'd been under the impression it was just a slightly different class, > > but it's barely any more powerful than the XO. > > > > Comparison chart here: > > > > http://laptopmag.com/features/Intel-vs-OLPC-Battle-of-Good-Wills.htm?Page=2 > > > > Note that the goals for battery life for the XO are actually higher than > > what's listed, though probably the standard they use for measuring it > > doesn't work for the techniques OLPC is trying (the XO will be usable > > even when asleep, so for some kinds of usage the power consumption will > > be lower). Also, the XO won't use Lithium Ion batteries because of > > safety issues. > > > > Here's a nice picture of the Classmate's screen: > > > > http://flickr.com/photos/dcmetroblogger/409238819/in/set-72157594232448993 > > > > -- > > Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org > > | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From mtobis at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 19:26:01 2007 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:26:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] OLPC vs Classmate In-Reply-To: <361b27370704251007sa03c2b6j5bdce2a9ad27a8cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <462F8355.9040707@colorstudy.com> <3096c19d0704250946i5821bc92rd1ccb100b77860ce@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704251007sa03c2b6j5bdce2a9ad27a8cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think Chris nailed it. I realize it's hopelessly derivative, but I have trouble imagining anything other than two kids standing in a sort of featureless white space. "Hi, I'm Sugar" (dressed in green and white, wearing sneakers) "and I'm a Classmate". (dressed in grey, with patent leather shoes) hmmm... This does make me think that the "OLPC" name has to go, though... mt On 4/25/07, Atul Varma wrote: > Is the Classmate actually being marketed to the U.S. or to the > third-world? I could see it being fairly cool if it was actually > intended for U.S. audiences, which have better access to power and > such, but as far as the whole third-world thing goes, it does appear > as though the OLPC has the upper hand. > > - Atul > > On 4/25/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > The classmate looks like a "my first soul sucking laptop." I heard it > > comes with "kiddie-Quicken" for managing your allowance. > > > > (that last part isn't true.) > > > > The goals are so wildly different between classmate and olpc...one is > > trying to change the world, the other is trying to keep the status > > quo. (deciding which is which is an exercise left to the reader, > > hint: olpc is trying to change the world.) > > > > *snap* > > > > Chris > > > > On 4/25/07, Ian Bicking wrote: > > > The Classmate PC is laaame... > > > > > > http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/04/intel_olpc_smac.html > > > > > > I'd been under the impression it was just a slightly different class, > > > but it's barely any more powerful than the XO. > > > > > > Comparison chart here: > > > > > > http://laptopmag.com/features/Intel-vs-OLPC-Battle-of-Good-Wills.htm?Page=2 > > > > > > Note that the goals for battery life for the XO are actually higher than > > > what's listed, though probably the standard they use for measuring it > > > doesn't work for the techniques OLPC is trying (the XO will be usable > > > even when asleep, so for some kinds of usage the power consumption will > > > be lower). Also, the XO won't use Lithium Ion batteries because of > > > safety issues. > > > > > > Here's a nice picture of the Classmate's screen: > > > > > > http://flickr.com/photos/dcmetroblogger/409238819/in/set-72157594232448993 > > > > > > -- > > > Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org > > > | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chicago mailing list > > > Chicago at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From goodmansond at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 21:43:48 2007 From: goodmansond at gmail.com (DeanG) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:43:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] OLPC vs Classmate In-Reply-To: References: <462F8355.9040707@colorstudy.com> <3096c19d0704250946i5821bc92rd1ccb100b77860ce@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704251007sa03c2b6j5bdce2a9ad27a8cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I believe the OLPC is now more affectionately known as "XO" and looks like it could keep tic-tacs in tow. From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Apr 25 22:23:02 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:23:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] OLPC vs Classmate In-Reply-To: <361b27370704251007sa03c2b6j5bdce2a9ad27a8cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <462F8355.9040707@colorstudy.com> <3096c19d0704250946i5821bc92rd1ccb100b77860ce@mail.gmail.com> <361b27370704251007sa03c2b6j5bdce2a9ad27a8cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <462FB8A6.5030001@colorstudy.com> Atul Varma wrote: > Is the Classmate actually being marketed to the U.S. or to the > third-world? I could see it being fairly cool if it was actually > intended for U.S. audiences, which have better access to power and > such, but as far as the whole third-world thing goes, it does appear > as though the OLPC has the upper hand. I think Classmate is marketed to both first and third world. The XO is also marketed very specifically to governments. Not schools, or parents, or anyone with less than a million orders with equitable distribution. The XO's software is also considerably more opinionated. Children won't learn Word. Technically Windows probably will run on the laptop (I know MS has tried, I don't recall seeing what the outcome was). But I can't imagine it would be a reasonable platform for learning Office. I think Classmate's real selling point is there are less strings attached, you don't have to buy into any Big Idea, it more easily fits in with existing infrastructure, and it doesn't try to buck the system. For example, the presentation system they have for it (which projects the teacher's laptop onto all the students screens) fits with normal class models. It doesn't fit at all with what OLPC wants to accomplish in education. No one is going to stop you from doing it on the XO, but what you *can possibly* do on the laptop isn't going to mean much to the decision makers compared to what is actually implemented (or for which there is a firm commitment for implementation). Once the XO is a deployed platform that can and probably will/should change -- but for now the idea, the implementation, and the platform are all collapsed into one thing. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org | Write code, do good | http://topp.openplans.org/careers From hcharnaw at vmware.com Thu Apr 26 01:15:30 2007 From: hcharnaw at vmware.com (Hayley Charnaw (c)) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:15:30 -0700 Subject: [Chicago] VMware Message-ID: <040EC1DE5CE40647A1E7BEECD85F62CB06D18069@PA-EXCH04.vmware.com> Python Software Engineer - ESX Installation and Update Management Location: Palo Alto, CA VMware Inc., a pioneer in virtualization software for industry-standard computers, is seeking a software engineer with strong distributed systems, client-server and scalable applications development experience. ESX server is a robust, production-proved virtualization layer than abstracts processor, memory, storage and networking resources into multiple virtual machines. ESX Server delivers the highest levels of performance, scalability and flexibility required for enterprise IT environments. This R&D position resides in our Core Technologies Group and will be a part of our Kernel Applications Group. This is open source software. The engineer in this role will gain exposure to many parts of our core OS and our applications. As a result of this exposure, he/she will interface with many groups in and outside of R&D. This is an extremely visible role, at VMware we strive to make our user experience seamless. This is an opportunity to work with the best and brightest in the industry. Responsibilities: This position's primary role is in the design and implementation of Open Source software for ESX installation, deployment and distribution. Work will involve interaction with product management and will require work with releases of new operating system versions, driver updates, and building Red Hat Package Management (RPM) packages. Most of the coding will be in done in Python with some limited use of Perl and C. Requirements: BS in Computer Science or equivalent. Fluent in Python. Experience in Linux administration and configuration. Experience with RPMs. Experience building a Linux distribution or Linux rescue disk is preferred. C and C++ programming is desired. Experience with signature verification (GPG, Checksums) desired Experience with GTK or Glade a plus. Experience with YUM a plus. Interested parties please contact Hayley Charnaw hcharnaw at vmware.com or 650-475-5377 Hayley Charnaw Recruiter, R&D 650-475-5377 Direct Let's Connect! http://www.linkedin.com/in/hayleycharnaw -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now its time for the next! ---------------------- Now we are looking for sponsors, presentation ideas, demo's, code sprints and people to volunteer to bring stuff. !! A small group is meeting tonight at the Clybourn Goose Island to hack through some planning. Anyone who has time and is interested in helping out is welcome to come by. The website will have more details and please let me know if you can help out! Looking forward to another rockin' year in the Chicago tech community and hope to see you all there! -jason From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 19:47:23 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Django Job Message-ID: <3096c19d0704271047s7042fe14xf45308605315aa6b@mail.gmail.com> I have some information (totally top secret, shoot me an email off-list) about a Django web development job here in Chicago. If you're looking, let me know. Chris From ianb at colorstudy.com Sat Apr 28 19:06:07 2007 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:06:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] OLPC Chicago Interest Group Message-ID: <46337EFF.3000701@colorstudy.com> It's just a mailing list and wiki page for now. If you are interested in OLPC, please subscribe: http://mailman.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-chicago http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Chicago_Interest_Group -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org