From bray at sent.com Mon May 1 16:56:23 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:56:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 Message-ID: <20EC0DEC-9502-47AE-BF73-C6D879FEFAB0@sent.com> Its that time again: So, lets do some planning... Maybe what we need is to do is designate someone to lead this effort. Then we will need everyone's participation in both getting this in Chicago and making it run smoothly once here. Lets set some time aside and talk about this in our next meeting. Any information people can bring to the table on this effort or from previous efforts will serve as helpful. Regards, bhr From bray at sent.com Mon May 1 17:30:20 2006 From: bray at sent.com (bray at sent.com) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:30:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 Message-ID: <1146497420.18251.260333794@webmail.messagingengine.com> Its that time again: So, lets do some planning... Maybe what we need is to do is designate someone to lead this effort. Then we will need everyone's participation in both getting this in Chicago and making it run smoothly once here. Lets set some time aside and talk about this in our next meeting. Any information people can bring to the table on this effort or from previous efforts will serve as helpful. Regards, bhr From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon May 1 18:13:50 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:13:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: <20EC0DEC-9502-47AE-BF73-C6D879FEFAB0@sent.com> References: <20EC0DEC-9502-47AE-BF73-C6D879FEFAB0@sent.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0605010913wa1474bewe6c22306802e5c07@mail.gmail.com> Josh McAdams is the lead organizer for YAPC (yet another perl conference) in Chicago this year. He'd be a good person to brain pick about organizing a large event in the city. Maybe we could buy him food and beer one of these nights. Chris On 5/1/06, Brian Ray wrote: > Its that time again: > > pycon-2008.html> > > So, lets do some planning... > > Maybe what we need is to do is designate someone to lead this effort. > Then we will need everyone's participation in both getting this in > Chicago and making it run smoothly once here. Lets set some time > aside and talk about this in our next meeting. Any information people > can bring to the table on this effort or from previous efforts will > serve as helpful. > > Regards, bhr > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From tcp at uchicago.edu Mon May 1 18:20:30 2006 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:20:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: <20EC0DEC-9502-47AE-BF73-C6D879FEFAB0@sent.com> References: <20EC0DEC-9502-47AE-BF73-C6D879FEFAB0@sent.com> Message-ID: <04296EAB-D130-4238-BF6A-FE5902CF3836@uchicago.edu> On May 1, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Brian Ray wrote: > Its that time again: > > pycon-2008.html> > > So, lets do some planning... > > Maybe what we need is to do is designate someone to lead this effort. > Then we will need everyone's participation in both getting this in > Chicago and making it run smoothly once here. Lets set some time > aside and talk about this in our next meeting. Any information people > can bring to the table on this effort or from previous efforts will > serve as helpful. > > Regards, bhr I would certainly be glad to help in this effort, but I cannot lead it as there's a better than 50% I'll be in the fine state of Minnesota (similar to the state of Nirvana, just with a bunch of tall scandinavians) as of a few months before PyCon 2008. -ted From mtobis at gmail.com Mon May 1 18:52:00 2006 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:52:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: <04296EAB-D130-4238-BF6A-FE5902CF3836@uchicago.edu> References: <20EC0DEC-9502-47AE-BF73-C6D879FEFAB0@sent.com> <04296EAB-D130-4238-BF6A-FE5902CF3836@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: Let's do it. For myself, I expect to be in Chicago or nearby in '08, but almost two years (presumably we would NOT follow Dallas' lead to have it in February) is a long time to be predicting. I'm certainly up for pitching in, though. Based on the success of the Dallas Marriott effort and the failure of Loyola to come through last time around, I think we need to face the fact that PyCon has outgrown the university venue. This means working with a hotel. I think the hotels around O'Hare might be a better bet in terms of bang per buck than the donwntown ones, and they are close enough to the CTA for an intrepid geek to get there from a friend's apartment, a hostel, a cheesy motel, etc. I've been finding calls for "leadership" a bit awkward, but I suppose once we are talking tens of thousands of dollars or more, someone needs to be responsible. Does this mean we have to become a real organization? mt From amk at amk.ca Mon May 1 20:47:57 2006 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:47:57 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2008 Message-ID: <20060501184757.GC12953@localhost.localdomain> Michael Tobis wrote: >Based on the success of the Dallas Marriott effort and the failure of >Loyola to come through last time around, I think we need to face the >fact that PyCon has outgrown the university venue. This means working >with a hotel. I wouldn't draw that conclusion; either a hotel or a university could work. Hotels are more expensive, I think, and are used to business users; all the MacOS and Linux users threw the hotel's wireless provider into confusion, for example. Universities have more bureaucracy (facility approval committees, that sort of thing) and may only be available when classes aren't in session. A university is probably workable, especially if you start planning well in advance. For 2006 I think Loyola was contacted quite late, and that probably made it impossible; another academic site for 2006 also fell through because the space got booked while we were waiting for a committee's approval. >I've been finding calls for "leadership" a bit awkward, but I suppose >once we are talking tens of thousands of dollars or more, someone >needs to be responsible. Does this mean we have to become a real >organization? I don't think ChiPy has to formalize. The Python Software Foundation can continue supporting the conference, and bearing any loss if the conference loses money. For the Worldcon SF cons, a new corporation is formed for each new year, but that seems unnecessary for PyCon. There does have to be a contact at the PSF who is legally enabled to sign binding contracts; right now that's me, and I'm also conference chair, but I don't think it's necessary that the two roles be held by the same person. I've temporarily joined this list so that I can answer any PyCon-related questions; please feel free to ask me about the organization of the 2006/2007 conference. --amk Co-chair, PyCon 2007 http://us.pycon.org From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Mon May 1 22:55:08 2006 From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:55:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: <20EC0DEC-9502-47AE-BF73-C6D879FEFAB0@sent.com> Message-ID: Brian Ray wrote on 05/01/2006 09:56:23 AM: > Maybe what we need is to do is designate someone to lead this effort. Can't we off-shore this role to increase our value-add and ROI? ;-) On a serious note, I'm +1 that we should host it, but I'm also unavailable to help lead this. In reply to Michael Tobis: > I think the hotels around O'Hare might be a better bet in terms of > bang per buck than the donwntown ones, and they are close enough to > the CTA for an intrepid geek to get there from a friend's apartment, a > hostel, a cheesy motel, etc. Yes, but (low) cost isn't everything. I don't want newcomers to think that O'Hare (and what you can walk to around it) == Chicago. Conferences at airport hotels are for sleezy wannabee tycoon types selling get-rich-quick-with-real-estate "infotapes". I don't want that karma. Seriously, shlepping it onto the blue to take the 45 minute trek into downtown to experience "the night-life" would be a total buzz kill for the poor airport-bound event-goers. Lots of people would just hang out at the O'Hare Hotel's bar and think "Wow, this sucks". Being near the center of downtown (either Mag Mile, Millennium Park, or the Theatre District) would not suck. My company has had very good results with the Allegro hotel (Theatre District) for the past several years, though, I don't know if they'd be big enough to handle PyCon? How many people are typically expected on PyCons? Here's a crazy idea... is there any chance we could coordinate with the Ruby and Perl (and JavaScript!?) communities and try to host "DynamicLanguagesCon2008". (That way we get a conference in Chicago, but we can let the Ruby&Perl guys do all the work. ;-) - Jason "what's the net-net?" Huggins From pfein at pobox.com Mon May 1 23:13:41 2006 From: pfein at pobox.com (Peter Fein) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:13:41 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200605011613.41640.pfein@pobox.com> On Monday 01 May 2006 03:55 pm, Jason R Huggins wrote: > On a serious note, I'm +1 that we should host it, but I'm also unavailable > to help lead this. Likewise. I'm sure I could lend a hand, but 2008 is well beyond my mental horizons. If I still live in Chicago, I could, y'know, make name tags or pull network cable or something. > Yes, but (low) cost isn't everything. I don't want newcomers to think that > O'Hare (and what you can walk to around it) == Chicago. Conferences at > airport hotels are for sleezy wannabee tycoon types selling > get-rich-quick-with-real-estate "infotapes". I don't want that karma. Maybe The Donald Trump Real Estate Conference (or whatever it's called) will be there are the same time! > Seriously, shlepping it onto the blue to take the 45 minute trek into > downtown to experience "the night-life" would be a total buzz kill for the > poor airport-bound event-goers. Lots of people would just hang out at the > O'Hare Hotel's bar and think "Wow, this sucks". Being near the center of > downtown (either Mag Mile, Millennium Park, or the Theatre District) would > not suck. My company has had very good results with the Allegro hotel That's debatable. Personally, I think downtown sucks, but I live here. I recognize an abandoned warehouse on the far west side might not be the best place to hold a conference, but it would definitely be cooler than downtown. Just sayin'. +1 abandoned-warehouse-ly yours, --Pete -- Peter Fein pfein at pobox.com 773-575-0694 Jabber: peter.fein at gmail.com http://pfein.blogspot.com/ irc://irc.freenode.net/#chipy From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Mon May 1 23:18:28 2006 From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:18:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] meeting topics: 1) Pycon 2008 2) "show and tell"? In-Reply-To: <1146497420.18251.260333794@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: brian ray wrote on 05/01/2006 10:30:20 AM: > Lets set some time aside > and talk about this in our next meeting. Sure, but did we decide on where to host the next meeting? I'd still like to offer ThoughtWorks (651 W. Washington Blvd.) to be the host (May 11, right?). Though the timing makes me a little nervous, as my wife is due with baby 2.0 on the 15th. In any event, I'll plan on scrounging up another Pythonista or interloping Rubyist around here to back me up just in case Baby Guido decides to make an early appearance. For other meeting topics, if there's time to talk about more than PyCon, I hope to have some Selenium-testing-Django (with screencasts! and DSLs!) goodies to show off. I'd also be game for some lightening ("boom!") talks if McAvoy can be available (live or phone) to provide the sound effects. - Jason "no, I'm not naming my kid Guido" Huggins From tcp at uchicago.edu Mon May 1 23:19:02 2006 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:19:02 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A5C50DC-CEE5-45B6-9B5E-50B8E8BDFA0A@uchicago.edu> On May 1, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Jason R Huggins wrote: > Yes, but (low) cost isn't everything. I don't want newcomers to > think that > O'Hare (and what you can walk to around it) == Chicago. Conferences at > airport hotels are for sleezy wannabee tycoon types selling > get-rich-quick-with-real-estate "infotapes". I don't want that karma. > Seriously, shlepping it onto the blue to take the 45 minute trek into > downtown to experience "the night-life" would be a total buzz kill > for the > poor airport-bound event-goers. Lots of people would just hang out > at the > O'Hare Hotel's bar and think "Wow, this sucks". That's not too far off of many people's take on Dallas -- except the Dallas location has a lot of (decent, albeit chain) restaurants around though they're somewhat difficult to get to while avoiding legions of birds and large volumes of traffic. I guess I'd prefer that we start looking at non-airport locations first, but I think it'll come down to a question of cost -- it will certainly cost more to be in the city and I know cost is already an issue for many PyCon attendees.... If we were to find a venue that was reasonably accessible to a CTA train line then it would still be superior to the current Dallas venue as there's nothing comparable for public transit there. -t From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Mon May 1 23:30:40 2006 From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:30:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: <200605011613.41640.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: Peter Fein wrote on 05/01/2006 04:13:41 PM: > That's debatable. Personally, I think downtown sucks, but I live here. I > recognize an abandoned warehouse on the far west side might not be the best > place to hold a conference, but it would definitely be cooler than downtown. > > Just sayin'. > > +1 abandoned-warehouse-ly yours, Do you *really* want to make it look like the Python world is *copying* Rails... again?! http://railsconf.org/pages/hotel Get-rich-with-Web-2.0-and-Rails-ly! y'rs, - Jason :-) From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Mon May 1 23:36:05 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:36:05 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <200605011613.41640.pfein@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0605011436mbbe7ca9u997c14264d372ba6@mail.gmail.com> I asked Josh McAdams (organizer of YAPC) if he'd be available to give us an overview of what it was like to plan YAPC in Chicago, and he agreed. He's planning on coming to the meeting next Thursday. Chris From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Mon May 1 23:45:03 2006 From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:45:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0605011436mbbe7ca9u997c14264d372ba6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > I asked Josh McAdams (organizer of YAPC) if he'd be available to give > us an overview of what it was like to plan YAPC in Chicago, and he > agreed. He's planning on coming to the meeting next Thursday. Thanks, Chris! -Jason From bray at sent.com Mon May 1 23:52:51 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:52:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0605011436mbbe7ca9u997c14264d372ba6@mail.gmail.com> References: <200605011613.41640.pfein@pobox.com> <3096c19d0605011436mbbe7ca9u997c14264d372ba6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AD9361D-62D2-488F-B3F2-865FC5ED789D@sent.com> This sounds quite helpful, thanks Chris. And for the record, I think we can use our connections and find a cooler place than something in the burbs.. And it will probably just take some work and communication. I think it is best to think creatively ; ) Why not even somewhere like Adler? Why not work with some of the new residential constructions for students like the one on State and Roosevelt for Roosevelt U and Columbia which may be half-occupied during pycon? Besides having all of us put in our $.02, which we can and should all continue to do, I still thing we need someone (or a committee) to champion the cause. Its to complicated for not being organized. Because we have never done this here before, we don't know what we don't know ; ) --bhr From mtobis at gmail.com Tue May 2 00:33:40 2006 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:33:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2008 In-Reply-To: <20060501184757.GC12953@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060501184757.GC12953@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: from > Every location across the US was represented in the survey feedback including Alaska, Hawaii > and even two for Cannada (Toronto and St. Paul). Is that right, eh? "even Cannada"? Last I heard we "Cannadians" had not yet annexed Minnesota... I'm +1 for Trawno in '10 though. mt From tcp at uchicago.edu Tue May 2 01:34:29 2006 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:34:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <20060501184757.GC12953@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <255C91B0-FBCD-468D-A897-769FB4136629@uchicago.edu> On May 1, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Michael Tobis wrote: > Is that right, eh? "even Cannada"? Last I heard we "Cannadians" had > not yet annexed Minnesota... > > > > I'm +1 for Trawno in '10 though. > > mt There is a St. Paul, Alberta Canada -- it's even got a UFO landing pad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul,_Alberta From fawad at fawad.net Tue May 2 04:43:29 2006 From: fawad at fawad.net (Fawad Halim) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] meeting topics: 1) Pycon 2008 2) "show and tell"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4456C751.7050607@fawad.net> Jason R Huggins wrote: > brian ray wrote on 05/01/2006 10:30:20 AM: >> Lets set some time aside >> and talk about this in our next meeting. > > Sure, but did we decide on where to host the next meeting? > > I'd still like to offer ThoughtWorks (651 W. Washington Blvd.) to be the > host (May 11, right?). > > Though the timing makes me a little nervous, as my wife is due with baby > 2.0 on the 15th. In any event, I'll plan on scrounging up another > Pythonista or interloping Rubyist around here to back me up just in case > Baby Guido decides to make an early appearance. > > For other meeting topics, if there's time to talk about more than PyCon, I > hope to have some Selenium-testing-Django (with screencasts! and DSLs!) > goodies to show off. I'd also be game for some lightening ("boom!") talks > if McAvoy can be available (live or phone) to provide the sound effects. > > - Jason "no, I'm not naming my kid Guido" Huggins I'm really interested in the Selenium+Django idea. It'd be lovely if we could squeeze that into this month's schedule. -fawad From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue May 2 04:57:33 2006 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:57:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] meeting topics: 1) Pycon 2008 2) "show and tell"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4456CA9D.2080600@colorstudy.com> Jason R Huggins wrote: > brian ray wrote on 05/01/2006 10:30:20 AM: >> Lets set some time aside >> and talk about this in our next meeting. > > Sure, but did we decide on where to host the next meeting? > > I'd still like to offer ThoughtWorks (651 W. Washington Blvd.) to be the > host (May 11, right?). ThoughtWorks it is! > Though the timing makes me a little nervous, as my wife is due with baby > 2.0 on the 15th. In any event, I'll plan on scrounging up another > Pythonista or interloping Rubyist around here to back me up just in case > Baby Guido decides to make an early appearance. > > For other meeting topics, if there's time to talk about more than PyCon, I > hope to have some Selenium-testing-Django (with screencasts! and DSLs!) > goodies to show off. I'd also be game for some lightening ("boom!") talks > if McAvoy can be available (live or phone) to provide the sound effects. Sounds like a plan. I think we should do the PyCon planning at the end of the meeting, as some people may not be interested and they can leave then. Hopefully Josh McAdams won't mind, though we can move things around if that's a problem. So: ThoughtWorks, if no babies occur then Jason does a Selenium demo, we throw in some lightning talks (maybe a stdlib talk or two), then we wrap up with a PyCon discussion. -- Ian Bicking | ianb at colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue May 2 16:15:15 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:15:15 -0400 Subject: [Chicago] meeting topics: 1) Pycon 2008 2) "show and tell"? Message-ID: <49d805d70605020715j173f8567pca8b240eec8cd762@mail.gmail.com> > Sounds like a plan. I think we should do the PyCon planning at the end > of the meeting, as some people may not be interested and they can leave > then. Hopefully Josh McAdams won't mind, though we can move things > around if that's a problem. Works for me. I was planning on trying to pick up Python anyway. From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Tue May 2 20:49:27 2006 From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 13:49:27 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- 1) a question about meeting time, 2) location 411 In-Reply-To: <4456CA9D.2080600@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: Ian wrote on 05/01/2006 09:57:33 PM: > ThoughtWorks it is! Cool. Did we want to start a little sooner (like 6 p.m. or 6:30 p.m.) this time? I got the green light from the "suits" for pizza, so bring your appetite. [On a side note, I think there should be some kind of "web 2.0" app that trawls the net looking for announcements of free food, then posts them in some kind of Google maps mash-up, with drill downs for food-type, time-of-day, walking distance, etc. :-) ] Also, I'll try to make sure the wireless router is working properly before the meeting this time. < big_smile /> Here's the 411 on how to get to ThoughtWorks Chicago: * Map: http://tinyurl.com/mgcxo * "Official" info: http://www.thoughtworks.com/chicagoInfo.html * My post to ChiPy in February about how to get here and where to park: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2006-February/000409.html Some additional comments to my original Feb. chipy post: 1) The closest "L" stop is Clinton on the "Green Line". (About an 8 minute walk from TW.) 2) The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in the Citibank Building) 2 blocks east of TW. (a 4 minute walk) 3) The closest water taxi stop is at Madison Street Bridge at 2 North Riverside Plaza. (http://www.wendellariverbus.com/rbdock.htm) ;-) 4) I can't find good info on the nearest helipad. Sorry, Mr. Trump. 5) Besides garage parking at SkyBridge across the freeway and meter parking around the building, there is additional garage parking at the Presidential Towers at Jefferson & Madison. There are 2 non-garage parking lots adjacent to our building. (I don't know the lots' "after 5pm" parking rules, though). Theme: If you're addicted to oil, there are lots of parking options within a short walk. Pythonically y'rs, -- Jason From deadwisdom at gmail.com Tue May 2 21:19:08 2006 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:19:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- 1) a question about meeting time, 2) location 411 In-Reply-To: References: <4456CA9D.2080600@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <694c06d60605021219p69b1ea24o79bc38b8da7f2ce6@mail.gmail.com> For clarification: the next meeting will be on May 11th? On 5/2/06, Jason R Huggins wrote: > Ian wrote on 05/01/2006 09:57:33 PM: > > ThoughtWorks it is! > > Cool. Did we want to start a little sooner (like 6 p.m. or 6:30 p.m.) this > time? > > I got the green light from the "suits" for pizza, so bring your appetite. > [On a side note, I think there should be some kind of "web 2.0" app that > trawls the net looking for announcements of free food, then posts them in > some kind of Google maps mash-up, with drill downs for food-type, > time-of-day, walking distance, etc. :-) ] > > Also, I'll try to make sure the wireless router is working properly before > the meeting this time. < big_smile /> > > Here's the 411 on how to get to ThoughtWorks Chicago: > > * Map: http://tinyurl.com/mgcxo > * "Official" info: http://www.thoughtworks.com/chicagoInfo.html > * My post to ChiPy in February about how to get here and where to park: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2006-February/000409.html > > Some additional comments to my original Feb. chipy post: > 1) The closest "L" stop is Clinton on the "Green Line". (About an 8 minute > walk from TW.) > 2) The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in the > Citibank Building) 2 blocks east of TW. (a 4 minute walk) > 3) The closest water taxi stop is at Madison Street Bridge at 2 North > Riverside Plaza. (http://www.wendellariverbus.com/rbdock.htm) ;-) > 4) I can't find good info on the nearest helipad. Sorry, Mr. Trump. > 5) Besides garage parking at SkyBridge across the freeway and meter > parking around the building, there is additional garage parking at the > Presidential Towers at Jefferson & Madison. There are 2 non-garage parking > lots adjacent to our building. (I don't know the lots' "after 5pm" parking > rules, though). Theme: If you're addicted to oil, there are lots of > parking options within a short walk. > > Pythonically y'rs, > -- Jason > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Tue May 2 21:35:23 2006 From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:35:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- yes, Thursday, May 11 In-Reply-To: <694c06d60605021219p69b1ea24o79bc38b8da7f2ce6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Brantley Harris wrote on 05/02/2006 02:19:08 PM: > For clarification: the next meeting will be on May 11th? Yup, Thursday, May 11. In the info section of http://chipy.org, it mentions that "meetings are held 2nd Thursday of every month". (I'm still waiting to hear some opinions on whether we should start at 6, 6:30, or 7 p.m.) Cheers, Jason From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue May 2 21:36:46 2006 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:36:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- 1) a question about meeting time, 2) location 411 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4457B4CE.3020106@colorstudy.com> Jason R Huggins wrote: >>ThoughtWorks it is! > > > Cool. Did we want to start a little sooner (like 6 p.m. or 6:30 p.m.) this > time? I don't know, I hadn't heard any discussion along those lines, but maybe I missed it. It's more convenient for people downtown coming after work, but seems hard for people not downtown. -- Ian Bicking / ianb at colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org From PRobare at chx.com Tue May 2 21:42:36 2006 From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:42:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- yes, Thursday, May 11 Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB6F6@MX3.chx.com> The traditional 7PM still works I think. There may not be many coming in from jobs in the 'burbs but anything earlier would pretty much cut out those people. Last time we had a pre-meeting meet-up in the coffee shop on the first floor of Presidential Towers that was quite pleasant. 7 will also allow extra time to get the wireless router fired up :-). -----Original Message----- From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jason R Huggins Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:35 PM To: The Chicago Python Users Group Subject: Re: [Chicago] May meeting -- yes, Thursday, May 11 Brantley Harris wrote on 05/02/2006 02:19:08 PM: > For clarification: the next meeting will be on May 11th? Yup, Thursday, May 11. In the info section of http://chipy.org, it mentions that "meetings are held 2nd Thursday of every month". (I'm still waiting to hear some opinions on whether we should start at 6, 6:30, or 7 p.m.) Cheers, Jason _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From bray at sent.com Tue May 2 21:48:33 2006 From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:48:33 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- yes, Thursday, May 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54E5198B-64AB-4C57-9C41-B035B8E63399@sent.com> Our start time for ChiPy meetings has traditionally been 7. Unless we have good reason for change, we should leave it at 7. Even then, we need to remind people a meeting ahead of time about a time change. Presenters and hosts should get there at 6:30 to make sure everything is set up. --bhr From rcriii at ramsdells.net Tue May 2 21:39:59 2006 From: rcriii at ramsdells.net (rcriii at ramsdells.net) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 13:39:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- yes, Thursday, May 11 In-Reply-To: References: <694c06d60605021219p69b1ea24o79bc38b8da7f2ce6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45395.12.20.83.70.1146598799.squirrel@mail.npsis.com> > Yup, Thursday, May 11. In the info section of http://chipy.org, it > mentions that "meetings are held 2nd Thursday of every month". > > (I'm still waiting to hear some opinions on whether we should start at 6, > 6:30, or 7 p.m.) > I prefer not earlier than 6:30, to give me time to get downtown. Robert From tcp at uchicago.edu Tue May 2 22:13:23 2006 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:13:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- yes, Thursday, May 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53F1BC80-1271-4243-932E-81290B50D033@uchicago.edu> On May 2, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Jason R Huggins wrote: > (I'm still waiting to hear some opinions on whether we should start > at 6, > 6:30, or 7 p.m.) I vote 6:00 pm sharp. From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Tue May 2 22:22:52 2006 From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:22:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- socializing begins at 7 p.m., presentations begin at 7:17 p.m. In-Reply-To: <54E5198B-64AB-4C57-9C41-B035B8E63399@sent.com> Message-ID: Brian Ray wrote on 05/02/2006 02:48:33 PM: > Our start time for ChiPy meetings has traditionally been 7. Unless we > have good reason for change, we should leave it at 7. Even then, we > need to remind people a meeting ahead of time about a time change. > Presenters and hosts should get there at 6:30 to make sure everything > is set up. Okay, 7 p.m. it is, except for me or other folks who want to help setup at 6:30 and get first dibs on pizza. :-) It's also (now) traditional to "pre-meet" before any TW-sponsored ChiPy meetings at the Bean Addiction Cafe inside the Presidential Towers, wearing glasses and a green shirt (or optionally, the Chipmunk costume). ( http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2006-February/000424.html ) And in hoping to *break* tradition, let's clarify what'll actually start at 7. (ref: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2006-February/000444.html ) The pizza will arrive between 6:45 and 7... Let's plan on chatting and munching until 7:17, and "officially" start at 7:17:01. I vaguely remember reading about some dotcom CEO years ago that liked to start meetings at odd non-":00" times to make the start times more memorable. Can you spot the irony? I'll do my best to make sure the projector and wireless is working beforehand. I'm secretly hoping for Apple to embed a projector in future laptops so that this kind of stuff "Just Works" sometime this century. -Jason From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue May 2 22:33:06 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:33:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- socializing begins at 7 p.m., presentations begin at 7:17 p.m. In-Reply-To: References: <54E5198B-64AB-4C57-9C41-B035B8E63399@sent.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0605021333r2a19ad94md0f71c69bf52aabf@mail.gmail.com> On 5/2/06, Jason R Huggins wrote: > I'll do my best to make sure the projector and wireless is working > beforehand. I'm secretly hoping for Apple to embed a projector in future > laptops so that this kind of stuff "Just Works" sometime this century. That would be really cool. Chris From ph at malaprop.org Tue May 2 22:48:23 2006 From: ph at malaprop.org (Peter Harkins) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:48:23 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- socializing begins at 7 p.m., presentations begin at 7:17 p.m. In-Reply-To: References: <54E5198B-64AB-4C57-9C41-B035B8E63399@sent.com> Message-ID: <20060502204822.GH4734@malaprop.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:22:52PM -0500, Jason R Huggins wrote: > It's also (now) traditional to "pre-meet" before any TW-sponsored ChiPy > meetings at the Bean Addiction Cafe inside the Presidential Towers, > wearing glasses and a green shirt (or optionally, the Chipmunk costume). > ( http://mail.python.org/pipermail/chicago/2006-February/000424.html ) And don't fear you'll be the only person there; I plan to both be there *and* be square. - -- Peter Harkins - http://push.cx -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: If you don't know what this is, it's OK to ignore it. iD8DBQFEV8WRa6PWv6+ALKoRAiFUAJ0W5HQlr+C18t1LrafDDO0DOlfOlwCfRxcg b8lMMT6tjU4wCQnIpjx4lz4= =nSxY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From skip at pobox.com Wed May 3 11:02:29 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 04:02:29 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Pycon 2008 In-Reply-To: <5AD9361D-62D2-488F-B3F2-865FC5ED789D@sent.com> References: <200605011613.41640.pfein@pobox.com> <3096c19d0605011436mbbe7ca9u997c14264d372ba6@mail.gmail.com> <5AD9361D-62D2-488F-B3F2-865FC5ED789D@sent.com> Message-ID: <17496.29093.691334.216391@montanaro.dyndns.org> Brian> Because we have never done this here before, we don't know what Brian> we don't know ; ) But we know that are things that we don't know now that we will know then. But by then it may be too late. So we should figure those things out now. Or something. I'm afraid I'm not very good at channelling Donald Rumsfeld. (Thank God for that...) I'm out on jury duty this week, but can check around Evanston where I live to see if Northwestern has facilities to host something like PyCon and what local hotel rates are. (I'm sure NU would have the facilities, it's just that I don't know what kind of connection to the university you have to have to use them.) Evanston has the advantage of being on the lake, has lots of restaurants, decent public transportation to the Loop, and is neither downtown nor the airport. Oh, and I live there, so I could probably walk to the conference. DePaul would probably also be a decent university venue for PyCon. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/ Without Office, Microsoft is just a company with an archaic and insecure OS. --Robert X. Cringely in "I Cringely" From skip at pobox.com Wed May 3 11:16:15 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 04:16:15 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- socializing begins at 7 p.m., presentations begin at 7:17 p.m. In-Reply-To: References: <54E5198B-64AB-4C57-9C41-B035B8E63399@sent.com> Message-ID: <17496.29919.170605.804706@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jason> I'm secretly hoping for Apple to embed a projector in future Jason> laptops so that this kind of stuff "Just Works" sometime this Jason> century. Amen to that. Skip From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed May 3 15:52:57 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:52:57 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hrm Message-ID: <3096c19d0605030652t538a3577he3700b8cafe0925e@mail.gmail.com> Just an FYI, I sent an internship notice to the Ruby list yesterday, and to chipy at chipy.org, totally forgetting that that was no longer the right address. Some conspiracy theorist was all, "why'd you send it just to the Ruby people! Don't you love Python anymore?! " I'd resend the internship description, except things worked out with a candidate that was having scheduling problems previously. So the note I sent yesterday...totally invalid. So, I guess that's sort of a subtle diss to Ruby! Take that Ruby! Chris From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Wed May 3 16:02:54 2006 From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:02:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hrm In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0605030652t538a3577he3700b8cafe0925e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris McAvoy wrote on 05/03/2006 08:52:57 AM: > So, I guess that's sort of a subtle diss to Ruby! Take that Ruby! Ruby, Python, can't we all just get along? --> http://www.goto.info.waseda.ac.jp/~fukusima/ruby/python/doc/ Just imagine: C:\>irb irb(main):001:0> require 'python/django' => true irb(main):002:0> [Too bad it hasn't been updated since 1999, so apparently, we can't get along, after all. ;-) ] - Jason From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed May 3 16:08:48 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:08:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hrm In-Reply-To: References: <3096c19d0605030652t538a3577he3700b8cafe0925e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3096c19d0605030708n2829bf18s8fe46038271e185b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/3/06, Jason R Huggins wrote: > Ruby, Python, can't we all just get along? Whoah tiger! Guido didn't fight in the intergalactic dynamic language wars* to have you start talking about "getting along." Chris * 'intergalactic'...that ought to appeal to the nerds. If I had more time, I'd photoshop Michael Tobis' head onto Han Solo. Or Jean Luc Picard. Can someone do that? Please? From jdunck at gmail.com Wed May 3 16:27:32 2006 From: jdunck at gmail.com (Jeremy Dunck) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:27:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] [dfwPython] Re: [python-advocacy] Marketing Python - An Idea Whose Time Has Come In-Reply-To: <4447ED3B.4000408@pollenation.net> References: <5b53e6f12e4a006787a974b5f84c1748@semi-retired.com> <4408BD05.30907@movilogic.com> <20060310185740.GA18418@lairds.us> <4412A4C7.8040305@taupro.com> <4447ED3B.4000408@pollenation.net> Message-ID: <2545a92c0605030727m7ee7aab2y2b5f6fdaed97165e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/06, Tim Parkin wrote: > So in order to parralel Ruby's success we need a monolithic web > framework backed by a commercial company and network of bloggers who all > are experienced in self and product promotion through word of mouth > networks? I personally can't see that happening and I'm pretty sure it > wouldn't be a good thing anyway. At the risk of flaming, the nearest think is Django (backed by World Online, a newspaper, quite good at promotion). From tcp at uchicago.edu Wed May 3 16:42:34 2006 From: tcp at uchicago.edu (Ted Pollari) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:42:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hrm In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0605030708n2829bf18s8fe46038271e185b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0605030652t538a3577he3700b8cafe0925e@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0605030708n2829bf18s8fe46038271e185b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9FC24A00-47DD-437A-96DA-61574AF70754@uchicago.edu> On May 3, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > * 'intergalactic'...that ought to appeal to the nerds. If I had more > time, I'd photoshop Michael Tobis' head onto Han Solo. Or Jean Luc > Picard. Can someone do that? Please? because it seemed like a good idea before my first cup of coffee... quick and dirty: http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php? image=guidosolo3cx.jpg =) -t From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM Wed May 3 16:46:12 2006 From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:46:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hrm - "please?" In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0605030708n2829bf18s8fe46038271e185b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris McAvoy wrote on 05/03/2006 09:08:48 AM: > ... Please? Speaking of "please"... (I'm making progress on my "DSLs with Dots" idea...) >>> import Please, apps.timesheet >>> please = Please( apps.timesheet ) >>> name, password = 'jason', '1234' >>> please.login.using( name, password ) >>> >>> from apps.timesheet.sample_data import sample_timesheet >>> please.create.timesheet.using( sample_timesheet ) >>> please.logout() # or, if you're not feeling so nice: >>> now = please >>> now.login.using( name, password ) >>> now.create.timesheet.using( sample_timesheet ) >>> now.logout() # Keeping namespaces, but thinking "different": >>> for i in [1,2,3]: ... exec "_%s_ = please" % i # It's now easy as: >>> _1_.login.using( name, password ) >>> _2_.create.timesheet.using( sample_timesheet ) >>> _3_.logout() - jason P.S. As an exercise for the reader, feel free to "pleasify" Chris's original photoshop request. :-) From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed May 3 16:50:14 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:50:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hrm In-Reply-To: <9FC24A00-47DD-437A-96DA-61574AF70754@uchicago.edu> References: <3096c19d0605030652t538a3577he3700b8cafe0925e@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0605030708n2829bf18s8fe46038271e185b@mail.gmail.com> <9FC24A00-47DD-437A-96DA-61574AF70754@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <3096c19d0605030750m259cf7a4s7f497538f63234ce@mail.gmail.com> Awesome. On 5/3/06, Ted Pollari wrote: > > On May 3, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > > * 'intergalactic'...that ought to appeal to the nerds. If I had more > > time, I'd photoshop Michael Tobis' head onto Han Solo. Or Jean Luc > > Picard. Can someone do that? Please? > > because it seemed like a good idea before my first cup of coffee... > quick and dirty: http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php? > image=guidosolo3cx.jpg > > > =) > -t > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From deadwisdom at gmail.com Wed May 3 18:38:03 2006 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brantley Harris) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:38:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hrm In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0605030750m259cf7a4s7f497538f63234ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0605030652t538a3577he3700b8cafe0925e@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0605030708n2829bf18s8fe46038271e185b@mail.gmail.com> <9FC24A00-47DD-437A-96DA-61574AF70754@uchicago.edu> <3096c19d0605030750m259cf7a4s7f497538f63234ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <694c06d60605030938q3ef9ca8ey4940c3592bb7147@mail.gmail.com> Truly. On 5/3/06, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Awesome. > > On 5/3/06, Ted Pollari wrote: > > > > On May 3, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote: > > > > > * 'intergalactic'...that ought to appeal to the nerds. If I had more > > > time, I'd photoshop Michael Tobis' head onto Han Solo. Or Jean Luc > > > Picard. Can someone do that? Please? > > > > because it seemed like a good idea before my first cup of coffee... > > quick and dirty: http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php? > > image=guidosolo3cx.jpg > > > > > > =) > > -t > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago mailing list > > Chicago at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From list at phaedrusdeinus.org Tue May 2 21:54:36 2006 From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (John Melesky) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:54:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- yes, Thursday, May 11 In-Reply-To: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB6F6@MX3.chx.com> References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB6F6@MX3.chx.com> Message-ID: <4457B8FC.5020301@phaedrusdeinus.org> > The traditional 7PM still works I think. There may not be many coming > in from jobs in the 'burbs but anything earlier would pretty much cut > out those people. I, for one, will be coming in from the burbs, but can make an earlier time if it's scheduled that way. I can't speak for anyone else, though > Last time we had a pre-meeting meet-up in the coffee > shop on the first floor of Presidential Towers that was quite pleasant. That would be good, too, though let's organize it before i get on the train the afternoon of the 11th. :) That said, Jason, what's the most convenient coffeeshop to Thoughtworks? I'll probably be able to show up before 6, so i imagine congregating whenever would be fine. -johnnnnnnnnnn From mtobis at gmail.com Thu May 4 03:50:19 2006 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Hrm In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0605030708n2829bf18s8fe46038271e185b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3096c19d0605030652t538a3577he3700b8cafe0925e@mail.gmail.com> <3096c19d0605030708n2829bf18s8fe46038271e185b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: As long as nobody Photoshops me noggin onto Jabba the Hutt I can cope, really, but I still find it a strange suggestion. I actually really like 37 Signals products, which is sort of alarming, especially since Ducks In A Row might get revived in earnest, in which case it would matter. I actually don't know of better semi-formal management tools, so I'm thinking of getting in touch with them, even though they have fallen prey to the Riuby side of the Force. If I play my cards wight perhaps this would put me in the Palaptine role, seeking unfetterred control of both sides of the epic battle for my own nefarious ends bwa hah hah.... mt From maney at two14.net Thu May 4 15:33:34 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:33:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] What the heck is it about this list? Message-ID: <20060504133334.GA1099@furrr.two14.net> Once again, last evening I posted a harmless, perhaps useful, missive, and once again the stupid list widget disliked something in the headers and has kicked it to the moderators for approval. Since it doesn't tell me what it disliked, I haven't a clue how to avoid this ridiculous behavior in the future. Anyone know anything, or is this just the sort of crap up with which we must put? (Why?) -- Anyone who says you can have a lot of widely dispersed people hack away on a complicated piece of code and avoid total anarchy has never managed a software project. -- Andy Tanenbaum From maney at two14.net Thu May 4 05:33:35 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Random book notes Message-ID: <20060504033335.GA11003@furrr.two14.net> Bookpool's current promotion is a sale on APress titles, with "up to 50% off" list prices. Of course most of them aren't that deeply discounted - of the top ten bestsellers on their home page, most are 37%, a few 40%, which is a bit better than usual (I think - their normal discount varies from publisher to publisher). www.bookpool.com The other day I got a few things from Bookpool. The latest "nutshell" book I've laid hands on is 750 or so pages (exclusive of index), but I suppose that it's hard to stuff all of Web Design into a smaller container. I expect this will be useful but don't expect to read large swathes of it at any one time. I do intend to read at least much of Refactoring Databases's mere 300-ish pages, and expect it to provide much food for thought about the thorny issue of evolving a web app's database schema - one issue that Django makes even harder than it would be without the framework, though I think that's a common problem with ORMs in general (you have to update both the mappings and the database's structure - are there any existing ORMs that handle that well?). The obvious threat here is that I may start kicking around ideas for an ORM designed to make data refactoring easier. And that would probably end up making my head explode or something... -- Show me your flowcharts and conceal your tables, and I shall continue to be mystified. Show me your tables, and I won't usually need your flowcharts; they'll be obvious. -- Brooks From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Wed May 3 21:19:22 2006 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:19:22 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: O'Reilly UG Program News: DSUG Discount Changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3096c19d0605031219n3e7f89e8q4f08232468612ce7@mail.gmail.com> Discounts! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marsee Henon Date: May 3, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: O'Reilly UG Program News: DSUG Discount Changes To: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Hello, Can you please let your members know about the increase in our user group discount? You can post this to your mailing list, web site, or in your newsletter and please make sure you mention this at your next meeting. 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Of course most of them aren't that deeply discounted - of the top ten bestsellers on their home page, most are 37%, a few 40%, which is a bit better than usual (I think - their normal discount varies from publisher to publisher). www.bookpool.com The other day I got a few things from Bookpool. The latest "nutshell" book I've laid hands on is 750 or so pages (exclusive of index), but I suppose that it's hard to stuff all of Web Design into a smaller container. I expect this will be useful but don't expect to read large swathes of it at any one time. I do intend to read at least much of Refactoring Databases's mere 300-ish pages, and expect it to provide much food for thought about the thorny issue of evolving a web app's database schema - one issue that Django makes even harder than it would be without the framework, though I think that's a common problem with ORMs in general (you have to update both the mappings and the database's structure - are there any existing ORMs that handle that well?). The obvious threat here is that I may start kicking around ideas for an ORM designed to make data refactoring easier. And that would probably end up making my head explode or something... -- Show me your flowcharts and conceal your tables, and I shall continue to be mystified. Show me your tables, and I won't usually need your flowcharts; they'll be obvious. -- Brooks _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From PRobare at chx.com Thu May 4 19:00:06 2006 From: PRobare at chx.com (Robare, Phil) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:00:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- socializing begins at 7 p.m., presentations begin at 7:17 p.m. Message-ID: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB6F9@MX3.chx.com> I took it upon myself to update the web page with known meeting details. Jason may wish to review and annotate what I extracted from his previous postings. I think we are still a little vague on 'lightning talks' that are supposed to follow Jason's headliner. I would be interested if someone would step up with a talk on decorators - their use and abuse. Phil From varmaa at gmail.com Thu May 4 19:38:46 2006 From: varmaa at gmail.com (Atul Varma) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:38:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- socializing begins at 7 p.m., presentations begin at 7:17 p.m. In-Reply-To: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB6F9@MX3.chx.com> References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB6F9@MX3.chx.com> Message-ID: <361b27370605041038m4d21399agb94d72767adfca8a@mail.gmail.com> Over the past few weeks I've had to switch between so many different linux distros with their own shell-scripted ways of starting & stopping server processes that I just got fed up with them and wrote one in Python. It's pretty simple and lightweight--only about 230 lines of code with comments and error checking, so I thought it might make a decent newbie-friendly presentation of some of the more unix-specific modules. I'd also like to see what kind of feedback you guys have on it. So, I'd be up for giving a short presentation on this if anyone's interested. - Atul On 5/4/06, Robare, Phil wrote: > I took it upon myself to update the web page with known meeting details. > Jason may wish to review and annotate what I extracted from his previous > postings. I think we are still a little vague on 'lightning talks' that > are supposed to follow Jason's headliner. > > I would be interested if someone would step up with a talk on decorators > - their use and abuse. > > Phil > _______________________________________________ > Chicago mailing list > Chicago at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago > From racter at gmail.com Thu May 4 20:05:09 2006 From: racter at gmail.com (jake elliott) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:05:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] May meeting -- socializing begins at 7 p.m., presentations begin at 7:17 p.m. In-Reply-To: <361b27370605041038m4d21399agb94d72767adfca8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <51338F3CEE91164C89AFCC010FEC7F6F02CAB6F9@MX3.chx.com> <361b27370605041038m4d21399agb94d72767adfca8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hi atul -- that sounds great to me! -jake On 5/4/06, Atul Varma wrote: > Over the past few weeks I've had to switch between so many different > linux distros with their own shell-scripted ways of starting & > stopping server processes that I just got fed up with them and wrote > one in Python. > > It's pretty simple and lightweight--only about 230 lines of code with > comments and error checking, so I thought it might make a decent > newbie-friendly presentation of some of the more unix-specific > modules. I'd also like to see what kind of feedback you guys have on > it. > > So, I'd be up for giving a short presentation on this if anyone's interested. > > - Atul From maney at two14.net Thu May 4 21:29:01 2006 From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:29:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago] Random book notes In-Reply-To: <445a0b8e.38133080.3ac8.fffff5fe@mx.gmail.com> References: <20060504033335.GA11003@furrr.two14.net> <445a0b8e.38133080.3ac8.fffff5fe@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060504192901.GA12457@furrr.two14.net> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:11:25AM -0400, Jess Balint wrote: > You might want to check out Rails migration (which can be used without > Rails). > > ecord-migrations> > http://garrettsnider.backpackit.com/pub/367902 I might, although I'd heard, admittedtly at third hand, that the hard parts relied on hand-written scripts to actually manage the existing data. Can't really tell anything from those hand-waving pages.