From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Wed Sep  7 23:14:19 2005
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:14:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] First Message
Message-ID: <3096c19d05090714145fc026cf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Welcome to the new list. I took the list from the previous list and moved it 
wholesale to this new list, which means we lost everyone's tweaks (like 
digest mode). If you're unsure how to proceed, or annoyed and don't want to 
log in and fiddle around, write me directly and I'll help out.

Chris
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From chris at wirelion.com  Thu Sep  8 16:51:42 2005
From: chris at wirelion.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:51:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] [Fwd: O'Reilly CodeZoo Adds Python and Ruby Components]
Message-ID: <43204FFE.1040108@wirelion.com>

FYI.

Chris

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	O'Reilly CodeZoo Adds Python and Ruby Components
Date: 	Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:14:27 -0700
From: 	Marsee Henon <marsee at oreilly.com>
To: 	chris at wirelion.com



Hello

I wanted to pass along the following --

CodeZoo (http://www.codezoo.com/) has added Python and Ruby code to its
repository of open source components.

"We collected and reviewed all the open source components that have been
released for both Python and Ruby," said CodeZoo manager Marc Hedlund,
O'Reilly entrepreneur in residence. "Every component we've chosen for
the site is mature, stable, easy-to-use, and useful."

Guido von Rossum, creator of Python, said, "Python developers have a
well-deserved reputation for creating and using code efficiently. The
new CodeZoo Python repository gives them a powerful new tool to speed up
their development process."

David Heinemeier Hansson, creator of Ruby on Rails, said, "Ruby's wealth
of libraries and frameworks can't help the influx of programmers coming
to the language of late if they don't know what's out there. CodeZoo
helps shine light of all these great components and helps programmers
reuse more and recode less."

CodeZoo makes it easy for developers to find high-quality, open source
code, and get up to speed with that code quickly. Not just a site for
open source developers, CodeZoo focuses on the needs of all developers
who want to use open source code in their own projects--internal,
commercial, or open source.

CodeZoo also debuted several new features :

*MyLibrary, where users can keep track of code components via RSS feeds
that update their custom code library.
*User-generated tags that allow users to create their own descriptions
of CodeZoo components.
*A customized search engine that allows users to search within a
specific language, by license type, by number of downloads, rating, etc.

--Marsee

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From tundra at tundraware.com  Sat Sep 10 01:00:03 2005
From: tundra at tundraware.com (Tim Daneliuk)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 18:00:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Casual Web Programmer
Message-ID: <432213F3.3030705@tundraware.com>

My primary use of Python is as a general purpose programming language
for systems integration, utilities, and so forth.  From time to time,
I am called upon to do a bit of Web stuff.  To date I've done it the
very manual way using emacs to edit HTML.  But, I'd like a higher productivity
environment for doing this stuff.  Can anyone recommend a web development
environment that meets these requirements:

1) Python enabled
2) Very fast learning curve for the web non-specialist
3) Excellent runtime performance
4) Compatible with Restructured Text (nice to have)
5) Ease of maintenance
6) Tools for browser-side scripting for AJAX-like look (nice to have)

IOW, I want the most painless path possible to a low/medium-complexity
web app.

TIA,
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Daneliuk     tundra at tundraware.com
PGP Key:         http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/



From chipy at holovaty.com  Sat Sep 10 05:37:54 2005
From: chipy at holovaty.com (Adrian Holovaty)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:37:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Casual Web Programmer
In-Reply-To: <432213F3.3030705@tundraware.com>
References: <432213F3.3030705@tundraware.com>
Message-ID: <200509092237.54917.chipy@holovaty.com>

Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a web development environment that meets these
> requirements: 
> [...]
> 1) Python enabled
> 2) Very fast learning curve for the web non-specialist
> 3) Excellent runtime performance
> 4) Compatible with Restructured Text (nice to have)
> 5) Ease of maintenance
> 6) Tools for browser-side scripting for AJAX-like look (nice to have)

Hey Tim,

Check out Django!

http://www.djangoproject.com/

It has everything on your list except official Ajax support, but there's been 
at least one third-party open-source Ajax library, and I suspect we'll add 
something like that soon. Disclaimer: I'm lead developer.

Adrian

From tundra at tundraware.com  Sat Sep 10 05:45:19 2005
From: tundra at tundraware.com (Tim Daneliuk)
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:45:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] The Casual Web Programmer
In-Reply-To: <200509092237.54917.chipy@holovaty.com>
References: <432213F3.3030705@tundraware.com>
	<200509092237.54917.chipy@holovaty.com>
Message-ID: <432256CF.7090404@tundraware.com>

Adrian Holovaty wrote:

> Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> 
>>Can anyone recommend a web development environment that meets these
>>requirements: 
>>[...]
>>1) Python enabled
>>2) Very fast learning curve for the web non-specialist
>>3) Excellent runtime performance
>>4) Compatible with Restructured Text (nice to have)
>>5) Ease of maintenance
>>6) Tools for browser-side scripting for AJAX-like look (nice to have)
> 
> 
> Hey Tim,
> 
> Check out Django!
> 
> http://www.djangoproject.com/
> 
> It has everything on your list except official Ajax support, but there's been 
> at least one third-party open-source Ajax library, and I suspect we'll add 
> something like that soon. Disclaimer: I'm lead developer.
> 

thanks - I'll look into it for the next web-go-round ...

-- 
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Tim Daneliuk     tundra at tundraware.com
PGP Key:         http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/


From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Sep 13 20:27:47 2005
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:27:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Ruby/Python meeting, with DHH
Message-ID: <43271A23.4050207@colorstudy.com>

So, John Long contacted me again, and wants to set something up with us, 
the Ruby Meetup, David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH, the Rails guy), and 
maybe a panel discussion, a little Rails/Django thing, etc.

The next time that seems like it could work out with David in town is 
October 10 & 11.  I thought an evening program would be good; weekdays 
after work seems to be a good time to get people.  I think we could 
potentially get quite a few people, since the subjects are all hyped up 
at the moment.  I'm especially interested in getting non Python/Ruby 
people to the event.

I offered ChiPy up as being able to find a good venue.  So... what do 
you guys think?  I thought Loyola or DePaul would have good possible 
venues -- they have good spaces (especially in the evening), and a 
downtown location would be good too.  I think Michael Tobis said he'd 
communicated with George Thiruvathukal about Loyola during the PyCon 
proposal.  Are there DePaul contacts we should be checking with?  Also, 
U. Chicago is another possibility, though their campus is less 
convenient.  I also see people with IIT and Northwestern addresses on 
the list, and if I remember correctly another Loyola professor has 
attended some recent meetings.


-- 
Ian Bicking  /  ianb at colorstudy.com  /  http://blog.ianbicking.org

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 20:38:52 2005
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:38:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Navigation
Message-ID: <3096c19d0509131138407fb6cc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I don't remember if anyone pointed out this link before:

http://williams.best.vwh.net/avform.htm#Dist

He has some psuedocode (which could almost be cut and pasted as Python) for 
basic navigation calculations. This was a big topic of discussion a few 
weeks ago.

Chris
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From gkt at cs.luc.edu  Tue Sep 13 20:35:18 2005
From: gkt at cs.luc.edu (George K. Thiruvathukal)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:35:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Ruby/Python meeting, with DHH
In-Reply-To: <43271A23.4050207@colorstudy.com>
References: <43271A23.4050207@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <d673c189050913113540d4ce9d@mail.gmail.com>

Ian,

I'm not sure I have all the context leading up to this e-mail. There are 
some things I would like to see us do at LUC:

1. Host a ChiPy meeting. Based on average attendance, I can offer our 
conference room.

2. Plan for the next PyCon. I'm hopeful that we can do something about 
conference space in '06-'07 due to a number of exciting building projects 
going on here at Loyola.

When is the next ChiPy gathering? I'd be interested to do something in 
October or (better) November at our 820 N. Michigan location.

George


On 9/13/05, Ian Bicking <ianb at colorstudy.com> wrote:
> 
> So, John Long contacted me again, and wants to set something up with us,
> the Ruby Meetup, David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH, the Rails guy), and
> maybe a panel discussion, a little Rails/Django thing, etc.
> 
> The next time that seems like it could work out with David in town is
> October 10 & 11. I thought an evening program would be good; weekdays
> after work seems to be a good time to get people. I think we could
> potentially get quite a few people, since the subjects are all hyped up
> at the moment. I'm especially interested in getting non Python/Ruby
> people to the event.
> 
> I offered ChiPy up as being able to find a good venue. So... what do
> you guys think? I thought Loyola or DePaul would have good possible
> venues -- they have good spaces (especially in the evening), and a
> downtown location would be good too. I think Michael Tobis said he'd
> communicated with George Thiruvathukal about Loyola during the PyCon
> proposal. Are there DePaul contacts we should be checking with? Also,
> U. Chicago is another possibility, though their campus is less
> convenient. I also see people with IIT and Northwestern addresses on
> the list, and if I remember correctly another Loyola professor has
> attended some recent meetings.
> 
> 
> --
> Ian Bicking / ianb at colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org
>
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From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Sep 13 21:39:21 2005
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:39:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Ruby/Python meeting, with DHH
In-Reply-To: <d673c189050913113540d4ce9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43271A23.4050207@colorstudy.com>
	<d673c189050913113540d4ce9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43272AE9.3020702@colorstudy.com>

George K. Thiruvathukal wrote:
> I'm not sure I have all the context leading up to this e-mail. There are 
> some things I would like to see us do at LUC:

You didn't miss much context, just a couple emails between John, David, 
Adrian, and myself.  I don't know what exactly the format would be for 
this, but probably not like a typical ChiPy meeting (which is just a 
bunch of us hanging out, with a relatively informal presentation on 
something).

We *could* all just hang out, and that would be cool; I guess we have to 
decide, and advertise it accordingly.

> 1. Host a ChiPy meeting. Based on average attendance, I can offer our 
> conference room.

Well, we've been getting around 15 (?) people at meetings recently.  The 
Ruby meetup I was at had maybe 15 people, and I think they might have 
placed a limit on it.  So I dunno what to expect... 40 people?  Is there 
a space available for that many?

> 2. Plan for the next PyCon. I'm hopeful that we can do something about 
> conference space in '06-'07 due to a number of exciting building 
> projects going on here at Loyola.

That would be great; Chicago was part of a 3-way tie for first place for 
preferred PyCon locations, so if we have the space I think we can get 
the conference (in 2007).

> When is the next ChiPy gathering? I'd be interested to do something in 
> October or (better) November at our 820 N. Michigan location.

October 13 and November 10 are the next (regular) meetings.  I don't 
think this event will really replace the meeting (unless we decide we're 
feeling too lazy to organize both).  But that discussion can go in a 
different thread.


-- 
Ian Bicking  /  ianb at colorstudy.com  /  http://blog.ianbicking.org

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Sep 13 22:11:01 2005
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:11:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2006
Message-ID: <43273255.6090601@colorstudy.com>

There's a call for proposals for the next PyCon out:

   http://www.python.org/pycon/2006/cfp

Deadline is October 31.

PyCon is much more fun than this email.


From bray at sent.com  Tue Sep 13 22:27:29 2005
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:27:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2006
In-Reply-To: <43273255.6090601@colorstudy.com>
References: <43273255.6090601@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <BAB7E938-FFBC-4D76-8BF8-E724F6B3C925@sent.com>

BTW, what is Stackless?

Is there a concise definition of Stackless Python?

From ianb at colorstudy.com  Tue Sep 13 22:57:00 2005
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:57:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] PyCon 2006
In-Reply-To: <BAB7E938-FFBC-4D76-8BF8-E724F6B3C925@sent.com>
References: <43273255.6090601@colorstudy.com>
	<BAB7E938-FFBC-4D76-8BF8-E724F6B3C925@sent.com>
Message-ID: <43273D1C.7080100@colorstudy.com>

Brian Ray wrote:
> BTW, what is Stackless?
> 
> Is there a concise definition of Stackless Python?

Stackless: http://stackless.com/
Basically it's a version of Python (defunct at this point, really) where 
the stack becomes a first-class object.  So you can refer to the 
execution-context-as-exists-right-now.  This means things like 
call-with-current-continuation (a Schemism) are possible.

I wrote something on continuations some time back: 
http://blog.ianbicking.org/continuations-a-concrete-approach.html
that might be helpful.

You can do things like:

def ask_name():
     name = get_response('name')
     age = get_response('age')
     print 'Hello', name, 'you are', age, 'years old'

Except where get_response() actually sends a web page to the user, waits 
for their response by submitting the form, then returns the value they 
gave.    And if they respond with their name, then hit back, then 
respond again, it'll all work (effectively rewinding the function back 
to the get_response() that they are answering).  This is the big feature 
of systems like Seaside.

Some of what stackless can do will be made possible by PEP 342: 
http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0342.html -- but not stuff like rewinding 
a function.

-- 
Ian Bicking  /  ianb at colorstudy.com  /  http://blog.ianbicking.org

From maney at two14.net  Wed Sep 14 20:43:37 2005
From: maney at two14.net (Martin Maney)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:43:37 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python in Sarge
Message-ID: <20050914184337.GA6718@furrr.two14.net>


Well, okay, that's not the point of the paper, but this is a Python
group, after all...

So they say Python is only 1.8% of the SLOC in Debian's Sarge release. 
That's still over 4 million lines of Python!

  http://www.upgrade-cepis.org/issues/2005/3/up6-3Amor.pdf

-- 
The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which
no good ground exists; indeed the passion is the measure
of the holder's lack of rational conviction  -- Bertrand Russell


From RCRamsdell at gldd.com  Wed Sep 14 22:33:27 2005
From: RCRamsdell at gldd.com (RCRamsdell@gldd.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:33:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python in Sarge
Message-ID: <C0B0D5759E27344788E6EB554ECF4B9101FB8E23@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com>

These guys have been doing this count for a while.

Earlier results for Python:
Potato: 0.66% of ~55MSLOC = 363K
(http://people.debian.org/~jgb/debian-counting/counting-potatoes/)
For woody was 1.4% of 105MSLOC = 1.47M
(http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/~grex/jornada-20021213/gonzalez-barahona.pdf)
Sarge: 1.8% of 229MSLOC = 4.1M

So growth has slowed down percentage-wise, but sped up in terms of total
code.  What does it mean?

Robert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: chicago-bounces at python.org 
> [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Martin Maney
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:44 PM
> To: chicago at python.org
> Subject: [Chicago] Python in Sarge
> 
> 
> 
> Well, okay, that's not the point of the paper, but this is a 
> Python group, after all...
> 
> So they say Python is only 1.8% of the SLOC in Debian's Sarge 
> release. 
> That's still over 4 million lines of Python!
> 
  http://www.upgrade-cepis.org/issues/2005/3/up6-3Amor.pdf

-- 
The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no
good ground exists; indeed the passion is the measure of the holder's
lack of rational conviction  -- Bertrand Russell

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From fitz at red-bean.com  Thu Sep 15 05:36:04 2005
From: fitz at red-bean.com (Brian W. Fitzpatrick)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:36:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python in Sarge
In-Reply-To: <C0B0D5759E27344788E6EB554ECF4B9101FB8E23@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com>
References: <C0B0D5759E27344788E6EB554ECF4B9101FB8E23@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com>
Message-ID: <AD6D4383-18F3-40D1-9AA3-D1B9A0ADE1CA@red-bean.com>


On Sep 14, 2005, at 3:33 PM, <RCRamsdell at gldd.com>  
<RCRamsdell at gldd.com> wrote:

> These guys have been doing this count for a while.
>
> Earlier results for Python:
> Potato: 0.66% of ~55MSLOC = 363K
> (http://people.debian.org/~jgb/debian-counting/counting-potatoes/)
> For woody was 1.4% of 105MSLOC = 1.47M
> (http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/~grex/jornada-20021213/gonzalez- 
> barahona.pdf)
> Sarge: 1.8% of 229MSLOC = 4.1M
>
> So growth has slowed down percentage-wise, but sped up in terms of  
> total
> code.  What does it mean?

If you want a higher LoC count you should program in Java?

-Fitz

PS :-)

From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 15:45:12 2005
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:45:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Book Club
Message-ID: <3096c19d05091606451cdd75a4@mail.gmail.com>

I opened up a Google Group for the bookclub this morning, and was flagged 
for management approval because I've been opening up a few other Google 
Groups lately (I'm migrating a couple of other lists too). So, it'll be 
about 24 to 48 hours before it's approved.

In the mean time, if you want to sign up by hand, the address is:

http://groups.google.com/group/csbookclub

Chris
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 17:20:43 2005
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:20:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [chiPy] hostway hiring in chicago
In-Reply-To: <062982C9-C78C-495A-B97D-EE60A4FB8BC6@pobox.com>
References: <062982C9-C78C-495A-B97D-EE60A4FB8BC6@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d0509160820167f6eba@mail.gmail.com>

<snidely>We moved</snidely>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Edward Summers <ehs at pobox.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: [chiPy] hostway hiring in chicago
To: The Chicago Area Python Users Group <chipy at lonelylion.com>

Not that I'm looking or anything :-) but I noticed that Hostway (a
PyCon sponsor) is hiring python programmers. If you go to
dice.com<http://dice.com>
and search by company name hostway you'll find 'em.

//Ed
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From bray at sent.com  Fri Sep 16 17:35:40 2005
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:35:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [chiPy] hostway hiring in chicago
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0509160820167f6eba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <062982C9-C78C-495A-B97D-EE60A4FB8BC6@pobox.com>
	<3096c19d0509160820167f6eba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5EF95E6F-1FB3-4CF0-A0B8-3D87379BD3F8@sent.com>

<inquisitively>Why not just automatically forward any emails to the  
new group?</inquisitively>

From ehs at pobox.com  Fri Sep 16 17:43:10 2005
From: ehs at pobox.com (Edward Summers)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:43:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [chiPy] hostway hiring in chicago
In-Reply-To: <3096c19d0509160820167f6eba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <062982C9-C78C-495A-B97D-EE60A4FB8BC6@pobox.com>
	<3096c19d0509160820167f6eba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B23C465-62DB-412C-83CF-095CCAB53D89@pobox.com>

On Sep 16, 2005, at 10:20 AM, Chris McAvoy wrote:
> <snidely>We moved</snidely>

/me updates address book


From list at phaedrusdeinus.org  Fri Sep 16 18:03:31 2005
From: list at phaedrusdeinus.org (johnnnn)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:03:31 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [chiPy] hostway hiring in chicago
In-Reply-To: <5EF95E6F-1FB3-4CF0-A0B8-3D87379BD3F8@sent.com>
References: <062982C9-C78C-495A-B97D-EE60A4FB8BC6@pobox.com>	<3096c19d0509160820167f6eba@mail.gmail.com>
	<5EF95E6F-1FB3-4CF0-A0B8-3D87379BD3F8@sent.com>
Message-ID: <432AECD3.1070403@phaedrusdeinus.org>

<dryly>Social Conditioning.</dryly>

Brian Ray wrote:

><inquisitively>Why not just automatically forward any emails to the  
>new group?</inquisitively>
>_______________________________________________
>Chicago mailing list
>Chicago at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago
>
>  
>


From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 18:25:03 2005
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:25:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Fwd: [chiPy] hostway hiring in chicago
In-Reply-To: <5EF95E6F-1FB3-4CF0-A0B8-3D87379BD3F8@sent.com>
References: <062982C9-C78C-495A-B97D-EE60A4FB8BC6@pobox.com>
	<3096c19d0509160820167f6eba@mail.gmail.com>
	<5EF95E6F-1FB3-4CF0-A0B8-3D87379BD3F8@sent.com>
Message-ID: <3096c19d05091609257bea6a1a@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/16/05, Brian Ray <bray at sent.com> wrote:
> 
> <inquisitively>Why not just automatically forward any emails to the
> new group?</inquisitively>
> 

Quit being so sensible.*

Chris

* I just set that up. +1 bray.
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From pfein at pobox.com  Sun Sep 18 00:52:03 2005
From: pfein at pobox.com (Peter Fein)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:52:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mind-blowingly OT
Message-ID: <432C9E13.8090505@pobox.com>

I know this is majorly off-topic, but I figured it's worth a shot (and
may put a smile on a least one person's face).

Anyone have experience running linux on dual-core AMD64s?

This message brought to you by a 500 MHz Pentium III laptop with lots of
stickers. ;)

-- 
Peter Fein                 pfein at pobox.com                 773-575-0694

Basically, if you're not a utopianist, you're a schmuck. -J. Feldman

From david at graniteweb.com  Sun Sep 18 19:59:38 2005
From: david at graniteweb.com (David Rock)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:59:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mind-blowingly OT
In-Reply-To: <432C9E13.8090505@pobox.com>
References: <432C9E13.8090505@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20050918175938.GA22597@wdfs.graniteweb.com>

* Peter Fein <pfein at pobox.com> [2005-09-17 17:52]:
> I know this is majorly off-topic, but I figured it's worth a shot (and
> may put a smile on a least one person's face).
> 
> Anyone have experience running linux on dual-core AMD64s?
> 
> This message brought to you by a 500 MHz Pentium III laptop with lots of
> stickers. ;)

Umm... yes. Gentoo. It was a system that someone at work brought in and
I got a chance to play with it. 

VERY quick :-)

-- 
David Rock
david at graniteweb.com
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From kristian.zoerhoff at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 14:06:22 2005
From: kristian.zoerhoff at gmail.com (Kristian Zoerhoff)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:06:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mind-blowingly OT
In-Reply-To: <432C9E13.8090505@pobox.com>
References: <432C9E13.8090505@pobox.com>
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On 9/17/05, Peter Fein <pfein at pobox.com> wrote:
> I know this is majorly off-topic, but I figured it's worth a shot (and
> may put a smile on a least one person's face).
> 
> Anyone have experience running linux on dual-core AMD64s?

Yes, but I didn't configure the box, nor am I responsible for its care
and feeding. I think it's running Red Hat EL 3.0.

-- 
Kristian

kristian.zoerhoff(AT)gmail.com
zoerhoff(AT)freeshell.org

From ehs at pobox.com  Mon Sep 19 15:50:44 2005
From: ehs at pobox.com (Edward Summers)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:50:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Ruby/Python meeting, with DHH
In-Reply-To: <43272AE9.3020702@colorstudy.com>
References: <43271A23.4050207@colorstudy.com>
	<d673c189050913113540d4ce9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<43272AE9.3020702@colorstudy.com>
Message-ID: <FE7A99B4-D955-4DA7-8B45-4AB13BDE8F79@pobox.com>

It looks like some folks are getting together (today) to talk about  
this [1,2]. There is also some discussion going on on the local perl  
list [3].

//Ed

[1] http://ruby.meetup.com/55/events/4749519/
[2] http://rubyforge.org/pipermail/chicagogroup-members-list/2005- 
September/000083.html
[3] http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/2005-September/002503.html

From chipy at trisko.net  Wed Sep 21 19:29:45 2005
From: chipy at trisko.net (Michael Trisko)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:29:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Mind-blowingly OT
In-Reply-To: <432C9E13.8090505@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20050921172949.693731E4003@bag.python.org>

I'm actually in the process of setting a couple of them up right now.  They are running RHEL3.  One will be running python apps, the other will be a dedicated DB server.  I'm hoping to keep everything 64-bit if I can, so far so good.

I haven't benchmarked anything yet to compare it to our Xeon boxes, but that'll happen soon...

Mike Trisko

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-bounces at python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fein
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 5:52 PM
To: The Chicago Python Users Group
Subject: [Chicago] Mind-blowingly OT

I know this is majorly off-topic, but I figured it's worth a shot (and
may put a smile on a least one person's face).

Anyone have experience running linux on dual-core AMD64s?

This message brought to you by a 500 MHz Pentium III laptop with lots of
stickers. ;)

-- 
Peter Fein                 pfein at pobox.com                 773-575-0694

Basically, if you're not a utopianist, you're a schmuck. -J. Feldman
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From RCRamsdell at gldd.com  Thu Sep 22 14:04:44 2005
From: RCRamsdell at gldd.com (RCRamsdell@gldd.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:04:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Python in the Economist
Message-ID: <C0B0D5759E27344788E6EB554ECF4B910259071A@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com>


I don't know how many of you read The Economist, but Python (in the context of Googles Summer of Code) and chicagocrime.org are mentioned in the Technology Quarterly section of the latest issue.

The articles are called "Mashing the Web" and "Summer Camp for Coders".  Alas, the on-line versions are for subscribers only...

Robert

From bray at sent.com  Fri Sep 23 17:32:52 2005
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:32:52 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Embedding Python Slides
Message-ID: <1D69AF10-3E77-4B63-BD42-399FC89289C1@sent.com>

Here are the slides from my presentation:

http://brianray.chipy.org/pyincppchipy/

BTW, Gulp is going well. I am currently making project files for: Gnu  
configure/make, xcode 2.1,   M$ VC7. (Maybe Eclipse CDT and  
Codewarrior) They build a dylib/dll which then can be used in the  
same environment instead of linking to Python directly. The advantage  
is Gulp handles things in a very OO C++ way with templates and what  
not. So, If a developer want to develop simultaneously in Python and C 
++, Gulp will help. And they do not need to spend as much time  
worrying about memory management or type juggling as if they were  
using the Python API. Plus I am trying some things regarding packaging.

Brian
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 19:27:12 2005
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:27:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Site down for a bit
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The website is going to be down for the afternoon...I'm moving it to the new
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Chris
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From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 23:38:00 2005
From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] site down
Message-ID: <3096c19d05092414381e16695e@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly, we're down right now. Something is broken. We should be up sooner
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Chris
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From ianb at colorstudy.com  Fri Sep 30 18:11:23 2005
From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:11:23 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Save ChiPy!  For One Month!
Message-ID: <433D63AB.9040906@colorstudy.com>

So, just about everyone who has organized past meetings is out of town 
or otherwise occupied in October.  So... anyone want to take up the 
torch for the month?

-- 
Ian Bicking  /  ianb at colorstudy.com  /  http://blog.ianbicking.org

From bray at sent.com  Fri Sep 30 18:26:55 2005
From: bray at sent.com (Brian Ray)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:26:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Save ChiPy!  For One Month!
In-Reply-To: <433D63AB.9040906@colorstudy.com>
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From RCRamsdell at gldd.com  Fri Sep 30 18:36:55 2005
From: RCRamsdell at gldd.com (RCRamsdell@gldd.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:36:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Save ChiPy!  For One Month!
Message-ID: <C0B0D5759E27344788E6EB554ECF4B9101FB8E86@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com>

I'm willing to do a 'module of the month'.  Did we have any other
speakers lined up?  Any ideas on a venue?
 
robert

	-----Original Message-----
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	Help us Obi-Wan Kenobi; you're our only hope!

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From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Fri Sep 30 18:48:28 2005
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:48:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Save ChiPy!  For One Month!
In-Reply-To: <C0B0D5759E27344788E6EB554ECF4B9101FB8E86@NEWMAIL.internal.gldd.com>
Message-ID: <OF27F9E3CD.3495DAF9-ON8625708C.005BE9FC-8625708C.005C5777@thoughtworks.com>

I'd like to do a demo of the ATOM Publishing Protocol (APP, for short) and 
how I implemented it in using Django. (Next month, I'll use SQLObject, I 
promise, Ian. :-)

No idea on a venue... I could look into hosting it at ThoughtWorks, but 
our building security is a little bizarre... (After hours, you can't even 
get into the lobby from the street without a key card.)

- Jason

robert wrote on 09/30/2005 11:36:55 AM:

> I'm willing to do a 'module of the month'.  Did we have any other 
> speakers lined up?  Any ideas on a venue?
> 
> robert
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From ehs at pobox.com  Fri Sep 30 19:11:12 2005
From: ehs at pobox.com (Edward Summers)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:11:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Save ChiPy!  For One Month!
In-Reply-To: <OF27F9E3CD.3495DAF9-ON8625708C.005BE9FC-8625708C.005C5777@thoughtworks.com>
References: <OF27F9E3CD.3495DAF9-ON8625708C.005BE9FC-8625708C.005C5777@thoughtworks.com>
Message-ID: <623F658F-40D8-4069-8EF8-3BA0BECF7360@pobox.com>

On Sep 30, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Jason R Huggins wrote:
> I'd like to do a demo of the ATOM Publishing Protocol (APP, for  
> short) and how I implemented it in using Django. (Next month, I'll  
> use SQLObject, I promise, Ian. :-)

That sounds interesting, and it would be cool to have a meeting at  
ThoughtWorks!

//Ed

From JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM  Fri Sep 30 23:11:45 2005
From: JRHuggins at thoughtworks.COM (Jason R Huggins)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:11:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago] Save ChiPy!  For One Month!
In-Reply-To: <623F658F-40D8-4069-8EF8-3BA0BECF7360@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <OF746B2BAA.D33FBE8A-ON8625708C.00743C30-8625708C.00747197@thoughtworks.com>

I sent a request to the powers that be to see if TW can host the October 
meeting... We'll see what happens...

- Jason

Edward Summers wrote on 09/30/2005 12:11:12 PM:
> That sounds interesting, and it would be cool to have a meeting at 
> ThoughtWorks!
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