From mark at microenh.com  Tue Nov  1 22:01:15 2011
From: mark at microenh.com (Mark Erbaugh)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:01:15 -0400
Subject: [CentralOH] Unittesting with vi(m)
Message-ID: <F6F5FB3C-D74E-40F3-99D1-55762034F4BD@microenh.com>

So I'm using Test Driven Development. I have vim open with two side by side windows. One window has the code under test, the other the unit tests. I have a code runner under the if __name__ == '__main__': section of the unit test file.  I can quickly run my unit tests by switching to that window (ctrl-W W) and doing :! python %.

I think it would be smoother if I could execute python with the unit test file regardless of which window is active.  Of course I could specify the path to the unittest file, but that's awkward. The next best solution would be to create a quick map (which is what I'll probably do if I don't come up with something better).

But I wonder if there is a way to specify a file by buffer number as the argument to :! python instead of % (for the current buffer)?

Thanks,
Mark

From wilson.eric.n at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 00:44:18 2011
From: wilson.eric.n at gmail.com (Eric Wilson)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:44:18 -0400
Subject: [CentralOH] Unittesting with vi(m)
In-Reply-To: <F6F5FB3C-D74E-40F3-99D1-55762034F4BD@microenh.com>
References: <F6F5FB3C-D74E-40F3-99D1-55762034F4BD@microenh.com>
Message-ID: <CAL=HRPeBR39eJjtV2-FjAfY0ss9nxz3x5L4rgDeA1=b23JjTwA@mail.gmail.com>

Eventually, you may want to look into nosetests. It will find and execute
all tests in all test files, based on naming conventions.

Eric Wilson

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:

> So I'm using Test Driven Development. I have vim open with two side by
> side windows. One window has the code under test, the other the unit tests.
> I have a code runner under the if __name__ == '__main__': section of the
> unit test file.  I can quickly run my unit tests by switching to that
> window (ctrl-W W) and doing :! python %.
>
> I think it would be smoother if I could execute python with the unit test
> file regardless of which window is active.  Of course I could specify the
> path to the unittest file, but that's awkward. The next best solution would
> be to create a quick map (which is what I'll probably do if I don't come up
> with something better).
>
> But I wonder if there is a way to specify a file by buffer number as the
> argument to :! python instead of % (for the current buffer)?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> CentralOH mailing list
> CentralOH at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/centraloh
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From mark at microenh.com  Wed Nov  2 01:14:18 2011
From: mark at microenh.com (Mark Erbaugh)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:14:18 -0400
Subject: [CentralOH] Unittesting with vi(m)
In-Reply-To: <CAL=HRPeBR39eJjtV2-FjAfY0ss9nxz3x5L4rgDeA1=b23JjTwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F6F5FB3C-D74E-40F3-99D1-55762034F4BD@microenh.com>
	<CAL=HRPeBR39eJjtV2-FjAfY0ss9nxz3x5L4rgDeA1=b23JjTwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66BCF1BF-3B28-4EB0-828F-8E7096EA1F8F@microenh.com>

Eric,

Thanks. I am aware of nosetests.  I'm not running all the unit tests, just the ones in a test file for the current module.

Mark

On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Eric Wilson wrote:

> Eventually, you may want to look into nosetests. It will find and execute all tests in all test files, based on naming conventions.
> 
> Eric Wilson
> 
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:
> So I'm using Test Driven Development. I have vim open with two side by side windows. One window has the code under test, the other the unit tests. I have a code runner under the if __name__ == '__main__': section of the unit test file.  I can quickly run my unit tests by switching to that window (ctrl-W W) and doing :! python %.
> 
> I think it would be smoother if I could execute python with the unit test file regardless of which window is active.  Of course I could specify the path to the unittest file, but that's awkward. The next best solution would be to create a quick map (which is what I'll probably do if I don't come up with something better).
> 
> But I wonder if there is a way to specify a file by buffer number as the argument to :! python instead of % (for the current buffer)?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> CentralOH mailing list
> CentralOH at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/centraloh
> 
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From jep200404 at columbus.rr.com  Wed Nov  2 02:00:52 2011
From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (jep200404 at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:00:52 -0400
Subject: [CentralOH] Unittesting with vi(m)
In-Reply-To: <F6F5FB3C-D74E-40F3-99D1-55762034F4BD@microenh.com>
References: <F6F5FB3C-D74E-40F3-99D1-55762034F4BD@microenh.com>
Message-ID: <20111101210052.5b51697a.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:01:15 -0400, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:

> So I'm using Test Driven Development. I have vim open with two side by side wi
> 
> I think it would be smoother if I could execute python with the unit test file
> 
> But I wonder if there is a way to specify a file by buffer number as the argum

This would be a good thing to ask at the next vim meeting. 
Bring your computer and show what you are doing. 
http://www.techlifeohio.com/events/vim-columbus-meeting
http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Columbus/
http://vim-columbus.github.com/


From jon at hogue.org  Wed Nov  2 02:02:52 2011
From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:02:52 -0400
Subject: [CentralOH] Unittesting with vi(m)
In-Reply-To: <20111101210052.5b51697a.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <F6F5FB3C-D74E-40F3-99D1-55762034F4BD@microenh.com>
	<20111101210052.5b51697a.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAHZ7yzkoh_4d=ow6sPeEEw7vkp1ABLqQbnKt7EsVjTfsG1-avA@mail.gmail.com>

plug badge :-)

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:00 PM,  <jep200404 at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:01:15 -0400, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:
>
>> So I'm using Test Driven Development. I have vim open with two side by side wi
>>
>> I think it would be smoother if I could execute python with the unit test file
>>
>> But I wonder if there is a way to specify a file by buffer number as the argum
>
> This would be a good thing to ask at the next vim meeting.
> Bring your computer and show what you are doing.
> http://www.techlifeohio.com/events/vim-columbus-meeting
> http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Columbus/
> http://vim-columbus.github.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentralOH mailing list
> CentralOH at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/centraloh
>

From eric at intellovations.com  Wed Nov  2 20:35:51 2011
From: eric at intellovations.com (Eric Floehr)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:35:51 -0400
Subject: [CentralOH] Unittesting with vi(m)
In-Reply-To: <20111101210052.5b51697a.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
References: <F6F5FB3C-D74E-40F3-99D1-55762034F4BD@microenh.com>
	<20111101210052.5b51697a.jep200404@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAJzarMMVq8PMJ5X90R1avPApcg53ruUaV_Za0Q_hNpA6D2UDqg@mail.gmail.com>

Not to get too off topic, but today I learned that vi was originally
written by Bill Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems.

And that vim was first written as a vi clone for the Amiga exactly 20 years
ago today (November 2).

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/11/two-decades-of-productivity-vims-20th-anniversary.ars

Cheers,
Eric



On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:00 PM, <jep200404 at columbus.rr.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:01:15 -0400, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:
>
> > So I'm using Test Driven Development. I have vim open with two side by
> side wi
> >
> > I think it would be smoother if I could execute python with the unit
> test file
> >
> > But I wonder if there is a way to specify a file by buffer number as the
> argum
>
> This would be a good thing to ask at the next vim meeting.
> Bring your computer and show what you are doing.
> http://www.techlifeohio.com/events/vim-columbus-meeting
> http://www.meetup.com/Vim-Columbus/
> http://vim-columbus.github.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentralOH mailing list
> CentralOH at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/centraloh
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From godber at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 01:25:46 2011
From: godber at gmail.com (Austin Godber)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:25:46 -0700
Subject: [CentralOH] Unittesting with vi(m)
In-Reply-To: <F6F5FB3C-D74E-40F3-99D1-55762034F4BD@microenh.com>
References: <F6F5FB3C-D74E-40F3-99D1-55762034F4BD@microenh.com>
Message-ID: <CAMBaWcXnS1=Tq0TvdBr6ONNvGJLFn=yGxBkYEP3zAibSuMp62w@mail.gmail.com>

Mark

It seems to me you can solve this by just typing:

:! python filename.py

in any of the windows.  Referencing the file seems somewhat more natural
than remembering the mapping between buffers and files.  Or am I missing
something?

Also, I came across this recently ... for VIM + Python users, I haven't
tried it yet:

https://github.com/klen/python-mode

Austin

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:

> So I'm using Test Driven Development. I have vim open with two side by
> side windows. One window has the code under test, the other the unit tests.
> I have a code runner under the if __name__ == '__main__': section of the
> unit test file.  I can quickly run my unit tests by switching to that
> window (ctrl-W W) and doing :! python %.
>
> I think it would be smoother if I could execute python with the unit test
> file regardless of which window is active.  Of course I could specify the
> path to the unittest file, but that's awkward. The next best solution would
> be to create a quick map (which is what I'll probably do if I don't come up
> with something better).
>
> But I wonder if there is a way to specify a file by buffer number as the
> argument to :! python instead of % (for the current buffer)?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> CentralOH mailing list
> CentralOH at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/centraloh
>
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From brandon at rhodesmill.org  Sat Nov 12 02:07:11 2011
From: brandon at rhodesmill.org (Brandon Craig Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:07:11 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] any CodeMash room sharing?
Message-ID: <87vcqq9mio.fsf@asaph.rhodesmill.org>

Jackie and I are in the final stages of preparation for our move to
Bluffton - we met with the Mayflower representative yesterday, in fact -
and we should arrive in Ohio the second weekend in December.  I look
forward to meeting everyone again, this time as an actual resident!

But I wanted to go ahead and ask: are any Python folks planning on
attending CodeMash and, if so, do people ever share rooms?  Or does
everyone just sign up for separate rooms because most people need rooms
for their families anyway, since it's a water park? :)

-- 
Brandon Craig Rhodes   brandon at rhodesmill.org   http://rhodesmill.org/brandon

From mark at microenh.com  Tue Nov 15 16:33:34 2011
From: mark at microenh.com (Mark Erbaugh)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:33:34 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] WSGI Friendly Hosting
Message-ID: <58BB7C5C-382C-4681-A25A-BA39D8D3860A@microenh.com>

I'm looking for suggestions for an online hosting service that supports WSGI, shell accounts and wildcard domain (i.e. *.microenh.com) HTTPS.

I've been using Dreamhost for several years and I'm pleased with them. While it's labeled 'experimental', I've been running a couple of small Pyramid-based (WSGI) websites and they seem to work.  My problem is HTTPS.  According to the Dreamhost docs, to add HTTPS, I need to obtain a static IP address from them which is $4/month additional. Currently, my monthly bill is only $8/month, so that's a 50% increase. Also, the HTTPS would only apply to one domain. I currently run several websites using a sub domain and it looks like I'd have to get static IP addresses for each of them (another $4/month) if I wanted HTTPS.

Mark

From issac.kelly at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 17:17:04 2011
From: issac.kelly at gmail.com (Issac Kelly)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:17:04 -0800
Subject: [CentralOH] WSGI Friendly Hosting
In-Reply-To: <58BB7C5C-382C-4681-A25A-BA39D8D3860A@microenh.com>
References: <58BB7C5C-382C-4681-A25A-BA39D8D3860A@microenh.com>
Message-ID: <CAOBK5HL=6+dLsMymk4Q51Tm-qM0AURG5nFcXueW=Lopyu2o3gA@mail.gmail.com>

No matter where you are, you need 1 static IP address per SSL certificate,
your certicicate can cover either one fully qualified domain (x.you.com, or
you.com) OR a much more costly wildcard SSL *.you.com

$4/mo is about the standard, Rackspace will do it for $3/mo last I checked,
but you're going to be managing everything about your server there (it's a
VPS, not managed hosting) and it starts @ $9/mo.

Sometime in the future the tech will be available for this not to be such a
pain, but that's just the way it is right now.


On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for suggestions for an online hosting service that supports
> WSGI, shell accounts and wildcard domain (i.e. *.microenh.com) HTTPS.
>
> I've been using Dreamhost for several years and I'm pleased with them.
> While it's labeled 'experimental', I've been running a couple of small
> Pyramid-based (WSGI) websites and they seem to work.  My problem is HTTPS.
>  According to the Dreamhost docs, to add HTTPS, I need to obtain a static
> IP address from them which is $4/month additional. Currently, my monthly
> bill is only $8/month, so that's a 50% increase. Also, the HTTPS would only
> apply to one domain. I currently run several websites using a sub domain
> and it looks like I'd have to get static IP addresses for each of them
> (another $4/month) if I wanted HTTPS.
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> CentralOH mailing list
> CentralOH at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/centraloh
>
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From mark at microenh.com  Tue Nov 15 18:38:37 2011
From: mark at microenh.com (Mark Erbaugh)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:38:37 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] WSGI Friendly Hosting
In-Reply-To: <CAOBK5HL=6+dLsMymk4Q51Tm-qM0AURG5nFcXueW=Lopyu2o3gA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58BB7C5C-382C-4681-A25A-BA39D8D3860A@microenh.com>
	<CAOBK5HL=6+dLsMymk4Q51Tm-qM0AURG5nFcXueW=Lopyu2o3gA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AEB51054-C0A8-40BF-A5EC-DD50C4C4DCAC@microenh.com>

Issac,

Thanks for the information.  I have one website for a volunteer non-profit where we sometimes need to submit the applicant's personal information. The only thing in that process that isn't public information is the SSN.  I've donated the hosting but didn't want to pay the extra if I didn't have to.

If I do buy a static IP address and SSL certificate for a single domain, would it be possible to maintain multiple non-secure domains that link to webpages under the secure domain when they need secure transfers, or would that be a lot of work to save $4 a month?

Mark



> No matter where you are, you need 1 static IP address per SSL certificate, your certicicate can cover either one fully qualified domain (x.you.com, or you.com) OR a much more costly wildcard SSL *.you.com
> 
> $4/mo is about the standard, Rackspace will do it for $3/mo last I checked, but you're going to be managing everything about your server there (it's a VPS, not managed hosting) and it starts @ $9/mo. 
> 
> Sometime in the future the tech will be available for this not to be such a pain, but that's just the way it is right now.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for suggestions for an online hosting service that supports WSGI, shell accounts and wildcard domain (i.e. *.microenh.com) HTTPS.
> 
> I've been using Dreamhost for several years and I'm pleased with them. While it's labeled 'experimental', I've been running a couple of small Pyramid-based (WSGI) websites and they seem to work.  My problem is HTTPS.  According to the Dreamhost docs, to add HTTPS, I need to obtain a static IP address from them which is $4/month additional. Currently, my monthly bill is only $8/month, so that's a 50% increase. Also, the HTTPS would only apply to one domain. I currently run several websites using a sub domain and it looks like I'd have to get static IP addresses for each of them (another $4/month) if I wanted HTTPS.
> 
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> CentralOH mailing list
> CentralOH at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/centraloh
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From issac.kelly at gmail.com  Tue Nov 15 18:45:23 2011
From: issac.kelly at gmail.com (Issac Kelly)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:45:23 -0800
Subject: [CentralOH] WSGI Friendly Hosting
In-Reply-To: <AEB51054-C0A8-40BF-A5EC-DD50C4C4DCAC@microenh.com>
References: <58BB7C5C-382C-4681-A25A-BA39D8D3860A@microenh.com>
	<CAOBK5HL=6+dLsMymk4Q51Tm-qM0AURG5nFcXueW=Lopyu2o3gA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AEB51054-C0A8-40BF-A5EC-DD50C4C4DCAC@microenh.com>
Message-ID: <CAOBK5H+84dNw7VMqDcWg14PoHz=7kAvSToDJrWbcGwJa01FN1w@mail.gmail.com>

It's definitely possible to do that, but yeah, it's ~$50/yr. Maybe you can
just ask somebody @ the non-profit to donate it? $150/yr TOTAL for web fees
seems totally reasonable.

The other thing is that there is a little cognative dissonance between
switching URLs for the 'secure' site. to the point of it feeling less
secure for a lot of people to be kicked around between several sites, that
they may or might not know the source.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:

> Issac,
>
> Thanks for the information.  I have one website for a volunteer non-profit
> where we sometimes need to submit the applicant's personal information. The
> only thing in that process that isn't public information is the SSN.  I've
> donated the hosting but didn't want to pay the extra if I didn't have to.
>
> If I do buy a static IP address and SSL certificate for a single domain,
> would it be possible to maintain multiple non-secure domains that link to
> webpages under the secure domain when they need secure transfers, or would
> that be a lot of work to save $4 a month?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> No matter where you are, you need 1 static IP address per SSL certificate,
> your certicicate can cover either one fully qualified domain (x.you.com,
> or you.com) OR a much more costly wildcard SSL *.you.com
>
> $4/mo is about the standard, Rackspace will do it for $3/mo last I
> checked, but you're going to be managing everything about your server there
> (it's a VPS, not managed hosting) and it starts @ $9/mo.
>
> Sometime in the future the tech will be available for this not to be such
> a pain, but that's just the way it is right now.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for suggestions for an online hosting service that supports
>> WSGI, shell accounts and wildcard domain (i.e. *.microenh.com) HTTPS.
>>
>> I've been using Dreamhost for several years and I'm pleased with them.
>> While it's labeled 'experimental', I've been running a couple of small
>> Pyramid-based (WSGI) websites and they seem to work.  My problem is HTTPS.
>>  According to the Dreamhost docs, to add HTTPS, I need to obtain a static
>> IP address from them which is $4/month additional. Currently, my monthly
>> bill is only $8/month, so that's a 50% increase. Also, the HTTPS would only
>> apply to one domain. I currently run several websites using a sub domain
>> and it looks like I'd have to get static IP addresses for each of them
>> (another $4/month) if I wanted HTTPS.
>>
>> Mark
>> _______________________________________________
>> CentralOH mailing list
>> CentralOH at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/centraloh
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentralOH mailing list
> CentralOH at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/centraloh
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CentralOH mailing list
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From lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com  Tue Nov 15 19:35:45 2011
From: lenjaffe at jaffesystems.com (Len Jaffe)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:35:45 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] WSGI Friendly Hosting
In-Reply-To: <AEB51054-C0A8-40BF-A5EC-DD50C4C4DCAC@microenh.com>
References: <58BB7C5C-382C-4681-A25A-BA39D8D3860A@microenh.com>
	<CAOBK5HL=6+dLsMymk4Q51Tm-qM0AURG5nFcXueW=Lopyu2o3gA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AEB51054-C0A8-40BF-A5EC-DD50C4C4DCAC@microenh.com>
Message-ID: <CAO_bo768YAzU5e4ZHSAUjKwH8KUm5t+mpfqgCbaR3AsGFCLpNg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:

> Issac,
>
> Thanks for the information.  I have one website for a volunteer non-profit
> where we sometimes need to submit the applicant's personal information. The
> only thing in that process that isn't public information is the SSN.  I've
> donated the hosting but didn't want to pay the extra if I didn't have to.
>
> If I do buy a static IP address and SSL certificate for a single domain,
> would it be possible to maintain multiple non-secure domains that link to
> webpages under the secure domain when they need secure transfers, or would
> that be a lot of work to save $4 a month?
>
>
I just want to make sure that you are aware that Dreamhost offers "free
hosting for life" for non-profits. All you need is to send them a copy of
your 501c3.
It is a standard hosting account. Not crippled in any way.  I use them for
free hosting for a boy scout troop and an elementary school PTA.
Lowering your cost to 0 for hosting could make it cost effective to add a
static IP.
Len

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From mark at microenh.com  Tue Nov 15 19:45:03 2011
From: mark at microenh.com (Mark Erbaugh)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:45:03 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] WSGI Friendly Hosting
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On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Len Jaffe wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Mark Erbaugh <mark at microenh.com> wrote:
> Issac,
> 
> Thanks for the information.  I have one website for a volunteer non-profit where we sometimes need to submit the applicant's personal information. The only thing in that process that isn't public information is the SSN.  I've donated the hosting but didn't want to pay the extra if I didn't have to.
> 
> If I do buy a static IP address and SSL certificate for a single domain, would it be possible to maintain multiple non-secure domains that link to webpages under the secure domain when they need secure transfers, or would that be a lot of work to save $4 a month?
> 
> 
> I just want to make sure that you are aware that Dreamhost offers "free hosting for life" for non-profits. All you need is to send them a copy of your 501c3.
> It is a standard hosting account. Not crippled in any way.  I use them for free hosting for a boy scout troop and an elementary school PTA.
> Lowering your cost to 0 for hosting could make it cost effective to add a static IP.
> Len

Len,

Thanks, I didn't know that. Unfortunately, the group I'm working with is not a 501(c)3. It's non-profit only in the sense that it doesn't charge for its services, and while the costs are kept low, they are borne by the volunteers themselves.  For example, most of the software they use, I wrote and donated.

Mark
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From joskra42.list at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 05:15:55 2011
From: joskra42.list at gmail.com (Joshua Kramer)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:15:55 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python + Open/Libre Office
Message-ID: <CAMPA5gcAgYyzPhXutqnutJ3oHFVeZ4-tivYvxp30GRneyawWFA@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy Everybody...

As I was preparing my household budget for 2012, I decided to use Python to
automate some of the acrobatics involved with my spreadsheet.  It's
actually pretty easy once you get the hang of it.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Python

In my workbook, I have a base "Builder" worksheet with named ranges for
expenses, income, etc.  What I wanted to do was create an additional
worksheet for each of the 26 pay periods in the year.  Then, I thought I'd
get fancy and link each worksheet, so that extra money left over from one
pay period is automatically linked to the next worksheet.

The Python script is attached for the curious.  I can provide the
spreadsheet on request.  I'd welcome any suggestions for improvement, as I
haven't dabbled in Python for quite a while and I'm excited to get back
into it.

Cheers,
-JK
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From james at atlantixeng.com  Wed Nov 30 19:19:15 2011
From: james at atlantixeng.com (James -- Atlantix)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:19:15 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python on Ubuntu Question
Message-ID: <00da01ccaf8c$91fed120$b5fc7360$@atlantixeng.com>

Hello Folks; I am doing some work with Python 2.7 on Ubuntu these days, and
since this is my first foray from Windows into Linux in some time, I have
some general questions. My Unix graduate school daze still remain with me,
so I am okay with general setup. Maybe some of you could provide  your
thoughts. The first question is would you install setuptools and use
easy_install OR would you tend to use the Synaptic package manager within
Ubuntu . . . i.e. 

 

Sudo apt-get install python-dev python-setuptools 
  
Sudo easy_install scipy 
Sudo easy_install numpy 
Sudo easy_install matplotlib

 

Or use the Ubuntu tools. 

 

The second question is with regards to the development environment on
Ubuntu, is there something better than Wing IDE that is native to Linux that
is not in Windows? 

 

The third question is has anyone run stackless python in Ubuntu? What are
your thoughts?

 

Thanks,

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From james at atlantixeng.com  Wed Nov 30 19:27:07 2011
From: james at atlantixeng.com (James -- Atlantix)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:27:07 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Stackless Python
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How to use it is the general question . . . and how many have had good
results with it? James

 

 

 

 

 

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From winningham at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 19:35:42 2011
From: winningham at gmail.com (Thomas Winningham)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:35:42 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python on Ubuntu Question
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I can add some things:

1. I would use synaptic and/or apt-get or aptitude to install any python
package if it exists in your repositories. Those builds are marked
correctly for dependencies and generally work. It is not terrible however
to use easy_install for packages, even if they exist in the repositories,
the only caveats I can think of is that you may have to install further
-dev packages to support compilation, or the dependencies will not be
tracked as well. With many packages, your only option is easy_install, but
things like scipy or numpy seem to work better using the distro packages.
Often, I for whatever ill-advised reason, like to get the latest whatever
by downloading the package and running its setup.py ... and this causes
issues if it needs something newer than what my distro offers, so I have
then go hunt all of that down and install it to, and I probably should've
just used easy_install in that case.

2. I don't know about IDEs... I use GEdit for everything, and I don't know
your needs. I've used Codeweavers and Eclipse and they have all the bells
and whistles, even if it takes a while to setup and normalize to what you
want to do. I do like nosetests and nosed and have that run the tests when
I hit save in GEdit.

3. I used stackless once for an ssh project, and it seemed to do what I
wanted at the time. For the most part I personally am fine with traditional
threads, and I can live with the interpreter lock. That being said, I've
been really amazed with the multiprocessing module or setting up a message
queue to dispatch events and report back to the queue and the whole
consumer / producer model. I think stackless might have less of an
importance lately due to pypy, multiprocessing, and the whole message
queuing structures I've seen lately, but hopefully someone else can comment
on that, I don't do it every day.

thanks, and best of luck,

Thomas



On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:19 PM, James -- Atlantix <james at atlantixeng.com>wrote:

> Hello Folks; I am doing some work with Python 2.7 on Ubuntu these days,
> and since this is my first foray from Windows into Linux in some time, I
> have some general questions. My Unix graduate school daze still remain with
> me, so I am okay with general setup. Maybe some of you could provide  your
> thoughts. The first question is would you install setuptools and use
> easy_install OR would you tend to use the Synaptic package manager within
> Ubuntu . . . i.e. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Sudo apt-get install python-dev python-setuptools
>
> Sudo easy_install scipy
> Sudo easy_install numpy
> Sudo easy_install matplotlib****
>
> ** **
>
> Or use the Ubuntu tools. ****
>
> ** **
>
> The second question is with regards to the development environment on
> Ubuntu, is there something better than Wing IDE that is native to Linux
> that is not in Windows? ****
>
> ** **
>
> The third question is has anyone run stackless python in Ubuntu? What are
> your thoughts?****
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From jshaffstall at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 19:41:48 2011
From: jshaffstall at gmail.com (Jay Shaffstall)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:41:48 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Stackless Python
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:27 PM, James -- Atlantix
<james at atlantixeng.com> wrote:
> How to use it is the general question . . . and how many have had good
> results with it? James

It's been a couple of years for me, so I'll refer you to the Stackless
tutorials on how to use it.

What I used it for was a simulation of cavern development in three
dimensions, so the number of nodes that needed processing grew
quickly.  I created coroutines for those nodes that needed processing.

We did have good results, although profiling the app showed that the
initial creation of the coroutines was pretty expensive.  Lazy
creation of the coroutines was necessary to prevent a huge amount of
overhead (in cavern development, many of the nodes would remain static
and never need processed).

We used Stackless specifically so we could process only those nodes
that needed it, and ignore the rest.  Stackless scheduling did that,
in a way that didn't require synchronization headaches.

Jay

From brandon at rhodesmill.org  Wed Nov 30 19:39:52 2011
From: brandon at rhodesmill.org (Brandon Craig Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:39:52 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python on Ubuntu Question
In-Reply-To: <00da01ccaf8c$91fed120$b5fc7360$@atlantixeng.com>
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"James -- Atlantix" <james at atlantixeng.com> writes:

> The third question is has anyone run stackless python in Ubuntu? What
> are your thoughts?

>From what I can tell, people these days just tend to use greenlet /
eventlet in combination with normal Python, which gives them roughly the
same capabilities they could get in Stackless, but without having to
have a whole other version of Python installed! 

-- 
Brandon Craig Rhodes   brandon at rhodesmill.org   http://rhodesmill.org/brandon

From brandon at rhodesmill.org  Wed Nov 30 19:38:16 2011
From: brandon at rhodesmill.org (Brandon Craig Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:38:16 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python on Ubuntu Question
In-Reply-To: <00da01ccaf8c$91fed120$b5fc7360$@atlantixeng.com>
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"James -- Atlantix" <james at atlantixeng.com> writes:

> The first question is would you install setuptools and use
> easy_install

You are close, but slightly out of date; "setuptools" is now,
thankfully, deprecated, since it was always an absolute nightmare to try
to use directly.  Instead, install the most recent version of
"virtualenv" and then create virtual environments with it; they will
come built-in with the setuptools replacement, "distribute", and with
the command you should use instead of "easy_install", which is named
"pip" (written by the famous Ian Bicking).

> OR would you tend to use the Synaptic package manager within Ubuntu
> sudo apt-get install python-dev python-setuptools ...

For things like scipy and numpy, just "apt-get" them directly:

sudo apt-get python-scipy
sudo apt-get python-numpy
sudo apt-get python-matplotlib

By going with the standard Ubuntu pre-compiled versions, you will tend
to save yourself LOTS of time. :)

-- 
Brandon Craig Rhodes   brandon at rhodesmill.org   http://rhodesmill.org/brandon

From brywilharris at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 19:46:21 2011
From: brywilharris at gmail.com (Bryan Harris)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:46:21 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python on Ubuntu Question
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If you want to get higher performance out of a python program by using
more than one core, you basically have to use stackless or processing.
 Threading can never use more than one core.

Stackless sounds like a nice solution and frankly I don't know why
stackless hasn't just merged into the main python tree.  As it is,
stackless is a PITA to get set up and the performance isn't that
different for most things.  It would be nice to take away recursion
limits and such.

Does anybody know what the disadvantages of stackless are?  Why hasn't
default python interpreter gone stackless?  Is there a performance hit
in some situations?

From brywilharris at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 19:50:15 2011
From: brywilharris at gmail.com (Bryan Harris)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:50:15 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python on Ubuntu Question
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Can greenlets use multiple cores?  In my limited testing, I couldn't
get more than 100% cpu utilization with greenlets (one full core was
the max no matter what).  Greenlets did better than threading which
had ridiculous overhead.  Has anybody actually tested this in
multithreaded, cpu-bound code?

From james at atlantixeng.com  Wed Nov 30 19:55:03 2011
From: james at atlantixeng.com (James -- Atlantix)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:55:03 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Stackless Python & Ubuntu
Message-ID: <010301ccaf91$9214d7e0$b63e87a0$@atlantixeng.com>

Thanks Jay and Thomas. The comments were particularly helpful. 

I guess the overall question would be: go stackless or PyPy for distributing
a large simulation over a network? 

I like the maturity of Stackless from what I've seen . . .  

James


From jshaffstall at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 20:05:11 2011
From: jshaffstall at gmail.com (Jay Shaffstall)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:05:11 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Stackless Python & Ubuntu
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:55 PM, James -- Atlantix
<james at atlantixeng.com> wrote:
> I guess the overall question would be: go stackless or PyPy for distributing
> a large simulation over a network?

We didn't get to the point in our simulation of distributing nodes
across the network (that was the next step, but expected funding
didn't materialize).  So I can't comment on how Stackless works in
that environment, but it worked well in a single machine.

Our plan had been to use MPI for communication between machines, and
Stackless for scheduling coroutines on a single machine.

PyPy hadn't had Stackless-style support when we were doing our initial
work, so I can't comment on how complete that is.

Jay

From brandon at rhodesmill.org  Wed Nov 30 20:17:23 2011
From: brandon at rhodesmill.org (Brandon Craig Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:17:23 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python on Ubuntu Question
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Bryan Harris <brywilharris at gmail.com> writes:

> If you want to get higher performance out of a python program by using
> more than one core, you basically have to use stackless or processing.
> Threading can never use more than one core.

You might be confusing Stackless Python with some other experiment in
multiprocessing from the early 2000's.  Stackless Python, like eventlet,
lets you write cooperative co-routines that can suspend their state; and
it does this by moving stack frames from the traditional C stack to the
heap instead.

But it does nothing about the Python interpreter's inability to use more
than one CPU core.

-- 
Brandon Craig Rhodes   brandon at rhodesmill.org   http://rhodesmill.org/brandon

From mark at microenh.com  Wed Nov 30 21:01:49 2011
From: mark at microenh.com (Mark Erbaugh)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 15:01:49 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python on Ubuntu Question
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On Nov 30, 2011, at 1:19 PM, James -- Atlantix wrote:

> Hello Folks; I am doing some work with Python 2.7 on Ubuntu these days, and since this is my first foray from Windows into Linux in some time, I have some general questions. My Unix graduate school daze still remain with me, so I am okay with general setup. Maybe some of you could provide  your thoughts. The first question is would you install setuptools and use easy_install OR would you tend to use the Synaptic package manager within Ubuntu . . . i.e.

As someone else said, I recommend virtualenv.  Use the Ubuntu package manger to install virtualenv. Then use virtualenv to create a "clean" environment for each project and install the needed Python add-ons in the virtualenv using pip.  Even if you routinely use the "same" add-ons for different projects, this would protect you from incompatible changes in version updates of the add-ons.

>   
> The second question is with regards to the development environment on Ubuntu, is there something better than Wing IDE that is native to Linux that is not in Windows?

I used to use Eclipse with PyDev and liked it. Lately I've switched to using vim (vi) as a text editor and running the program from the command line or with :! from inside vim. 

I had a little problem getting PyDev to play nice with virtualenv, but that was about the time I switched to using vim, so I never came up with a complete solution.

When I need to browse library module source code or when I need to do some manual experimentation with Python, I use still use IDLE. IDLE does play nice with virtualenv.

Mark

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From eric at intellovations.com  Wed Nov 30 19:43:09 2011
From: eric at intellovations.com (Eric Floehr)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:43:09 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python on Ubuntu Question
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James,

Hello Folks; I am doing some work with Python 2.7 on Ubuntu these days, and
> since this is my first foray from Windows into Linux in some time, I have
> some general questions. My Unix graduate school daze still remain with me,
> so I am okay with general setup. Maybe some of you could provide  your
> thoughts. The first question is would you install setuptools and use
> easy_install OR would you tend to use the Synaptic package manager within
> Ubuntu . . . i.e. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Sudo apt-get install python-dev python-setuptools
>
> Sudo easy_install scipy
> Sudo easy_install numpy
> Sudo easy_install matplotlib****
>
> ** **
>
> Or use the Ubuntu tools.
>

I install packages for things that are a pain to install any other way
(like scipy and numpy), and then create virtualenv's (using
virtualenvwrapper) for specific projects.  I also prefer pip over
easy_install, however sometimes pip doesn't work the way you'd like.  But,
pip gives you easy uninstall and requirements documentation via "pip
freeze".

However... knowing the work you do, and that you specifically mentioned
scipy, numpy, and matplotlib, I would highly recommend you check out
Enthought's Python Distribution (EPD).  It works on Linux and Windows, and
has its own python package manager with packages that are compiled with
some high performance libraries.  And there is a free version (only
difference is support and which packages come "pre-installed"):
http://www.enthought.com/products/epd_free.php

As for IDE... Wing IDE works really well on Linux... don't really know of
any that are "Linux specific".

-Eric



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> that is not in Windows? ****
>
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> your thoughts?****
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From brywilharris at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 22:09:15 2011
From: brywilharris at gmail.com (Bryan Harris)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:09:15 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Python on Ubuntu Question
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Unless the global interpreter lock has somehow disappeared, i doubt it has
changed in the last couple years.  Threading can use 1 core or less, as did
most every other python library I tried.  I'd love to be wrong.  try it.

I modified a program of mine to be multithreaded and it got slower - even
on my quad core machine.  Stock python will quite happily run threads on
more than one core, just never 2 at once!

I guess this wasn't really his question, but something worth discussing.
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From james at atlantixeng.com  Wed Nov 30 22:05:34 2011
From: james at atlantixeng.com (James -- Atlantix)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:05:34 -0500
Subject: [CentralOH] Virtual ENV
Message-ID: <011f01ccafa3$ce0cb0d0$6a261270$@atlantixeng.com>

Thanks everyone for their comments on virtual env. I look forward to working
with it. 

-James