From jillc at enthought.com Tue Mar 1 16:24:56 2016 From: jillc at enthought.com (Jill Cowan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 15:24:56 -0600 Subject: [Baypiggies] SciPy 2016 Message-ID: **SciPy 2016 Conference (Scientific Computing with Python) Announcement** *Call for Proposals: Submit Your Tutorial and Talk Ideas by March 25, 2015 at http://scipy2016.scipy.org . SciPy 2016 , the 15th annual Scientific Computing with Python conference, will be held July 11-17, 2016 in Austin, Texas. SciPy is a community dedicated to the advancement of scientific computing through open source Python software for mathematics, science, and engineering. The annual SciPy Conference brings together over 650 participants from industry, academia, and government to showcase their latest projects, learn from skilled users and developers, and collaborate on code development. The full program will consist of 2 days of tutorials (July 11-12), 3 days of talks (July 13-15), and 2 days of developer sprints (July 16-17). More info is available on the conference website at http://scipy2016.scipy.org (where you can sign up for the mailing list); or follow @scipyconf on Twitter. We hope you?ll join us - early bird registration is open until May 22, 2016 at http://scipy2016.scipy.org/ehome/146062/332936/?&& We encourage you to submit tutorial or talk proposals in the categories below; please also share with others who you?d like to see participate! Submit via the conference website: http://scipy2016.scipy.org . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *SUBMIT A SCIPY 2016 TUTORIAL PROPOSAL- DUE MARCH 21, 2016* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Details and submission here: http://scipy2016.scipy.org/ehome/146062/332967/?&& These sessions provide extremely affordable access to expert training, and consistently receive fantastic feedback from participants. We're looking for submissions on topics from introductory to advanced - we'll have attendees across the gamut looking to learn. Whether you are a major contributor to a scientific Python library or an expert-level user, this is a great opportunity to share your knowledge and stipends are available. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ **SUBMIT A SCIPY 2016 TALK / POSTER PROPOSAL - DUE MARCH 25, 2016* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Details and submission here: http://scipy2016.scipy.org/ehome/146062/332968/?&& SciPy 2016 will include 2 major topic tracks and 8 mini-symposia tracks. Major topic tracks include: - Python in Data Science (Big data and not so big data) - High Performance Computing Mini-symposia will include the applications of Python in: - Earth and Space Science - Biology and Medicine - Engineering - Social Science - Special Purpose Databases - Case Studies in Industry - Education - Reproducibility If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact us at: scipy-organizers at scipy.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- **SCIPY 2016 REGISTRATION IS OPEN** -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please register early. SciPy early bird registration until May 22, 2016! Register at http://scipy2016.scipy.org. Plus, enter our t-shirt design contest to win a free registration. 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When: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 7:00 - 9:00 PM Where: Cruzio, Atrium Classroom 877 Cedar Street Santa Cruz, CA http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=877+Cedar+Street%2C+Santa+Cruz%2C+CA%2C+us Co-organizers: Chris King Lippi cklippi at gmail.com Steve Piercy web at stevepiercy.com Event details: The next meetup of Santa Cruz Python will be held in the Atrium Classroom of Cruzio, located at 877 Cedar Street, Santa Cruz, CA. Regular monthly Santa Cruz Python meetups are held on the second Tuesday of the month at Cruzio. We are looking for additional presenters of Python topics. A presentation can consist of slides, a code walk through, demo, tutorial, or even interpretive dance. Please email Steve (web at stevepiercy.com) or Chris (cklippi at gmail.com). We are seeking potential sponsors for food, tasty beverages, or room rental fees. Please refer sponsors to Chris or Steve. ===================== SPONSORS ===================== Through a generous grant from the Python Software Foundation, our first six months of room rental fees are paid, so that we can deliver our program to Santa Cruz County. The PSF is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that promotes, protects, and advances the Python programming language and community. The PSF is supported by its members, donors, volunteers, and sponsors. Please contribute to support the PSF and its mission. https://www.python.org/psf-landing/ ----------------------------------- JetBrains is a technology-leading software development firm specializing in the creation of intelligent, productivity-enhancing software. JetBrains offers Santa Cruz Python Meetup attendees free PyCharm licenses as prizes. https://www.jetbrains.com/ ===================== PROGRAM ===================== Subject to change, particularly for more volunteer presenters. Announcements: 7:00 - 7:05 PM ----------------------------------- Lightning Talks: 7:05 - 7:15 PM TBA - Contact the organizers with your 5-minute maximum lightning talk topic. ----------------------------------- Spotlight: 7:15 - 7:20 PM Travis CI automatically runs tests and deployments of your apps, and is free for FOSS. https://travis-ci.org/ ----------------------------------- Pitch your Project: 7:20 - 7:25 PM Work on Projects: 7:25 - 8:45 PM Groups will break out to work on tutorials, projects, code challenges, hacking, or whatever you like with other Pythonistas. If you have a specific project in mind, please contact the organizers. You can also email the membership at Santa-Cruz-Python-Meetup-list at meetup.com ? Technical writing with Sphinx - Jeff Quast Jeff will demonstrate the latest tools and cloud services for professional-quality technical writing and collaboration. Any aspiring writer of programming code, APIs, or documentation should join us! At the end of this workshop, we'll be able to collaborate on and publish technical guides, books, or project documentation. We will cover the reStructuredText markup language, tools including Sphinx, tox, rst-lint, and doc8, and integration of the web services readthedocs.org and GitHub. ? Python Programming Challenge or Python Tutorial - TBA We'll work on one (or several) of the many available Python tutorials or challenges, including: http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ https://www.hackerrank.com/ https://projecteuler.net/ ? YOUR PROJECT HERE - TBA ----------------------------------- Demos, closing remarks: 8:45 - 8:55 PM Show off your work or share something you learned. ----------------------------------- JetBrains/PyCharm license drawing: 8:55 PM ----------------------------------- Doors close: 9:00 PM. Walk to L?pulo Craft Beer House, 233 Cathcart Street, Santa Cruz for tasty food and adult beverages. From bdbaddog at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 11:07:49 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 08:07:49 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers] March here we come In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff, Should I copy the info from the meetup to baypiggies.net for the March Meeting? -Bill On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Jeff Fischer wrote: > Glen, > Sure, no problem. It is fun when there is so much positive energy in the > room, like we had on Thursday. I'll follow up with you off-list. > > Thanks to Dan for a great talk on Thursday and to everyone who helped out! > > - Jeff > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > >> Jeff, >> >> You said on Thursday you could run the March meeting too. I was holding >> off to see if anyone else was interested in taking point for a meeting. >> But, I haven't seen any other takers. >> >> Would you like to kick off our March meeting and take point another >> month? 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He will guide the audience through producing a simple Hello World application via Google Cardboard that pulls down VR-altering data from an AWS / Flask / PostgreSQL application. *Meetup available to register* BayPiggies has a group on meetup.com: http://www.meetup.com/BAyPIGgies/. Please RSVP at: http://www.meetup.com/BAyPIGgies/events/228208209/. Although it is not strictly necessary, the more people that RSVP, the more newcomers will be interested in attending (no one likes being the first one at a party). Thanks! *Meeting Schedule:* - 7:00 pm Networking - 7:20 pm Announcements - 7:30 pm Presentation - 9:00 pm Event ends *Location: LinkedIn* 2025 Stierlin Ct., Mountain View, CA (map ) *Meeting Room: Unite (On the second floor)* As always, everyone is welcome and there is no fee to attend. See http://baypiggies.net for more about the BayPiggies (Bay Area Python Interest Group). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chityala at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 13:22:23 2016 From: chityala at gmail.com (Ravi) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 10:22:23 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Hands-on course: Become a Python programmer over a weekend Message-ID: Hello All, Dr. Sridevi Pudipeddi and I are conducting a 2-day paid hands-on Python course. We have extensive experience teaching Python and also programming Python for scientific computing, web and image processing. We co-authored a textbook titled 'Image Processing and Acquisition Using Python.' In this two day hands-on course, we will discuss all the important topics in Python. You will learn best practices and how to think like a Pythonista. The course will include lectures, hands on activities and lively discussions. We will provide iPython notebook with notes, code and numerous examples. After the course, we guarantee that you will be well on your way to use Python productively. The event will run from 10 am to 6 pm on 3/12/2016 and 10 am to 6 pm on 3/13/2016. Lunch will be provided for both days. On day one - we will discuss file IO, data structure, functions, modules and try-except. On day two - we will discuss classes, regular expression, generators, decorators and collections. Pre-requisite: Experience working with any programming language. You can pay and register for the course at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/hands-on-course-become-a-python-programmer-over-a-weekend-tickets-21654489160 -- Regards Ravi Chityala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdavis2 at ucsc.edu Tue Mar 8 12:30:13 2016 From: mdavis2 at ucsc.edu (Marilyn Davis) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 09:30:13 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Class next week: Python for Programmers Message-ID: Hi Pythonistas, We have a "Python for Programmers" retreat-style class next week, 9-5, March 14-17, at our lab at UCSC-Extension in Santa Clara, right across the 101 from the Great America sign: http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277660 This class is for programmers who are already well-experienced in some other language. No beginning programmers please, but you can certainly be new to Python. If you are a bit rusty at programming, you might be more comfortable in an evening course that meets once a week so you have some time to absorb the concepts. You'll find those: http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=3576274&SectionID=5278014 Also, there are online classes. This one: http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277661 officially starts on April 12 but you can start March 15 and have a head start. The online classes allow you plenty of time to complete the material, and I'll be there encouraging you and answering your questions. ---- All our Python courses are hands-on with short lectures, and lots of relevent exercises, and, we study the solutions after some lab time. Questions are always welcome; discussion and pair-programming are encouraged. Please come, and send students! --- And, the first quarter of the professional course is available for $20 at Udemy.Com! I'm so busy that I can't say when the rest of the course will be there, but I'm working on it, and part ii is close to ready: https://www.udemy.com/pythonic-python-part-i-the-basics/ I hope you find one of these classes useful to your schedule and your taste. 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No beginning programmers please, but you can certainly be new to > Python. > > If you are a bit rusty at programming, you might be more comfortable in an > evening course that meets once a week so you have some time to absorb the > concepts. You'll find those: > > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=3576274&SectionID=5278014 > > Also, there are online classes. This one: > > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277661 > > officially starts on April 12 but you can start March 15 and have a head > start. The online classes allow you plenty of time to complete the > material, and I'll be there encouraging you and answering your questions. > > ---- > All our Python courses are hands-on with short lectures, and lots of > relevent exercises, and, we study the solutions after some lab time. > > Questions are always welcome; discussion and pair-programming are > encouraged. > > Please come, and send students! > > --- > > And, the first quarter of the professional course is available for $20 at > Udemy.Com! I'm so busy that I can't say when the rest of the course will be > there, but I'm working on it, and part ii is close to ready: > > https://www.udemy.com/pythonic-python-part-i-the-basics/ > > I hope you find one of these classes useful to your schedule and your taste. > > Marilyn Davis, Ph.D. > Python Instructor > http:www.pythontrainer.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -- -- Best Regards. This is unedited. This message came out of me via a suboptimal keyboard. From mdavis2 at ucsc.edu Tue Mar 8 14:28:23 2016 From: mdavis2 at ucsc.edu (Marilyn Davis) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:28:23 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Class next week: Python for Programmers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. Thanks for your observation, Tony. Yes, UCSC is expensive. However, most companies will pay for tuition there! And, you earn university credit and certificates that look good on your resume. Marilyn On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Tony Godshall wrote: > $1020, $580, and $1020, respectively. > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Marilyn Davis wrote: > > Hi Pythonistas, > > > > We have a "Python for Programmers" retreat-style class next week, 9-5, > March > > 14-17, at our lab at UCSC-Extension in Santa Clara, right across the 101 > > from the Great America sign: > > > > > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277660 > > > > This class is for programmers who are already well-experienced in some > other > > language. No beginning programmers please, but you can certainly be new > to > > Python. > > > > If you are a bit rusty at programming, you might be more comfortable in > an > > evening course that meets once a week so you have some time to absorb the > > concepts. You'll find those: > > > > > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=3576274&SectionID=5278014 > > > > Also, there are online classes. This one: > > > > > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277661 > > > > officially starts on April 12 but you can start March 15 and have a head > > start. The online classes allow you plenty of time to complete the > > material, and I'll be there encouraging you and answering your questions. > > > > ---- > > All our Python courses are hands-on with short lectures, and lots of > > relevent exercises, and, we study the solutions after some lab time. > > > > Questions are always welcome; discussion and pair-programming are > > encouraged. > > > > Please come, and send students! > > > > --- > > > > And, the first quarter of the professional course is available for $20 at > > Udemy.Com! I'm so busy that I can't say when the rest of the course > will be > > there, but I'm working on it, and part ii is close to ready: > > > > https://www.udemy.com/pythonic-python-part-i-the-basics/ > > > > I hope you find one of these classes useful to your schedule and your > taste. > > > > Marilyn Davis, Ph.D. > > Python Instructor > > http:www.pythontrainer.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > -- > -- > Best Regards. > This is unedited. > This message came out of me > via a suboptimal keyboard. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From togo at of.net Tue Mar 8 14:38:59 2016 From: togo at of.net (Tony Godshall) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:38:59 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Class next week: Python for Programmers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wasn't complaining. On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Marilyn Davis wrote: > Hi. > > Thanks for your observation, Tony. > > Yes, UCSC is expensive. > > However, most companies will pay for tuition there! And, you earn > university credit and certificates that look good on your resume. > > Marilyn > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Tony Godshall wrote: >> >> $1020, $580, and $1020, respectively. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Marilyn Davis wrote: >> > Hi Pythonistas, >> > >> > We have a "Python for Programmers" retreat-style class next week, 9-5, >> > March >> > 14-17, at our lab at UCSC-Extension in Santa Clara, right across the 101 >> > from the Great America sign: >> > >> > >> > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277660 >> > >> > This class is for programmers who are already well-experienced in some >> > other >> > language. No beginning programmers please, but you can certainly be new >> > to >> > Python. >> > >> > If you are a bit rusty at programming, you might be more comfortable in >> > an >> > evening course that meets once a week so you have some time to absorb >> > the >> > concepts. You'll find those: >> > >> > >> > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=3576274&SectionID=5278014 >> > >> > Also, there are online classes. This one: >> > >> > >> > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277661 >> > >> > officially starts on April 12 but you can start March 15 and have a head >> > start. The online classes allow you plenty of time to complete the >> > material, and I'll be there encouraging you and answering your >> > questions. >> > >> > ---- >> > All our Python courses are hands-on with short lectures, and lots of >> > relevent exercises, and, we study the solutions after some lab time. >> > >> > Questions are always welcome; discussion and pair-programming are >> > encouraged. >> > >> > Please come, and send students! >> > >> > --- >> > >> > And, the first quarter of the professional course is available for $20 >> > at >> > Udemy.Com! I'm so busy that I can't say when the rest of the course >> > will be >> > there, but I'm working on it, and part ii is close to ready: >> > >> > https://www.udemy.com/pythonic-python-part-i-the-basics/ >> > >> > I hope you find one of these classes useful to your schedule and your >> > taste. >> > >> > Marilyn Davis, Ph.D. >> > Python Instructor >> > http:www.pythontrainer.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Baypiggies mailing list >> > Baypiggies at python.org >> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Best Regards. >> This is unedited. >> This message came out of me >> via a suboptimal keyboard. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -- -- Best Regards. This is unedited. This message came out of me via a suboptimal keyboard. From mdavis2 at ucsc.edu Tue Mar 8 14:48:35 2016 From: mdavis2 at ucsc.edu (Marilyn Davis) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:48:35 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Class next week: Python for Programmers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Tony. I do wish it was cheaper. Marilyn On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Tony Godshall wrote: > I wasn't complaining. > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Marilyn Davis wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Thanks for your observation, Tony. > > > > Yes, UCSC is expensive. > > > > However, most companies will pay for tuition there! And, you earn > > university credit and certificates that look good on your resume. > > > > Marilyn > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Tony Godshall wrote: > >> > >> $1020, $580, and $1020, respectively. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Marilyn Davis wrote: > >> > Hi Pythonistas, > >> > > >> > We have a "Python for Programmers" retreat-style class next week, 9-5, > >> > March > >> > 14-17, at our lab at UCSC-Extension in Santa Clara, right across the > 101 > >> > from the Great America sign: > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277660 > >> > > >> > This class is for programmers who are already well-experienced in some > >> > other > >> > language. No beginning programmers please, but you can certainly be > new > >> > to > >> > Python. > >> > > >> > If you are a bit rusty at programming, you might be more comfortable > in > >> > an > >> > evening course that meets once a week so you have some time to absorb > >> > the > >> > concepts. You'll find those: > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=3576274&SectionID=5278014 > >> > > >> > Also, there are online classes. This one: > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277661 > >> > > >> > officially starts on April 12 but you can start March 15 and have a > head > >> > start. The online classes allow you plenty of time to complete the > >> > material, and I'll be there encouraging you and answering your > >> > questions. > >> > > >> > ---- > >> > All our Python courses are hands-on with short lectures, and lots of > >> > relevent exercises, and, we study the solutions after some lab time. > >> > > >> > Questions are always welcome; discussion and pair-programming are > >> > encouraged. > >> > > >> > Please come, and send students! > >> > > >> > --- > >> > > >> > And, the first quarter of the professional course is available for $20 > >> > at > >> > Udemy.Com! I'm so busy that I can't say when the rest of the course > >> > will be > >> > there, but I'm working on it, and part ii is close to ready: > >> > > >> > https://www.udemy.com/pythonic-python-part-i-the-basics/ > >> > > >> > I hope you find one of these classes useful to your schedule and your > >> > taste. > >> > > >> > Marilyn Davis, Ph.D. > >> > Python Instructor > >> > http:www.pythontrainer.com > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Baypiggies mailing list > >> > Baypiggies at python.org > >> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> Best Regards. > >> This is unedited. > >> This message came out of me > >> via a suboptimal keyboard. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > -- > -- > Best Regards. > This is unedited. > This message came out of me > via a suboptimal keyboard. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oliver at phantom.us Tue Mar 15 01:41:54 2016 From: oliver at phantom.us (Oliver Friedrichs) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 22:41:54 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Phantom seeking Python engineers in Palo Alto Message-ID: <358EB488-B38B-4773-A06C-4BA97E63292E@phantom.us> Good evening everyone. Phantom, an innovative Palo Alto based enterprise security company is looking for a few good python engineers. We have two openings right now ? one to author Python Apps (Python modules that connect Phantom to other security technologies), and a QA automation role. Phantom was recognized as the ?Most Innovative Startup? at the RSA 2016 conference several weeks ago and is backed by some of the top names in the security space. Our open positions can be found here: http://www.phantom.us/jobs, and below is an immediate position for a Python engineer: Senior Software Engineer - Python, Palo Alto, CA We are looking for a Python Developer responsible for creating apps that enables the platform to connect to various enterprise products and services. The candidate will also be using the capabilities of the platform to develop security content aka. Playbooks for various use cases. We are looking for top python engineers who are creative with a passion for security. Playbooks are codification of a security operations (SecOps) plan. In practice they?re high-level Python scripts. Playbooks hook into the Phantom platform and all of its capabilities in order to execute actions, ensuring a repeatable and auditable process around security operations. Phantom Apps extend the platform?s capabilities by supporting integration into third party security products and tools. Most security technologies have REST APIs, command line interfaces or other management interfaces that Phantom Apps connect to in order to execute investigative and containment actions to control your environment. Apps expose a set of Actions that they support back to the platform. These actions can serve a number of purposes ? retrieving data for investigative purposes or changing policy on a security device for example. Location: We are looking for engineers to work from our Palo Alto headquarters office. Responsibilities * Writing reusable, testable, and efficient code * Design and implementation of low-latency, high-availability, and performant applications * Implementation of security and data protection Skills And Qualifications * Strong computer science fundamentals. * Expert in Python, with knowledge of at least one Python web framework (e.g. Django, Flask, etc.) * Good understanding of Functions, Classes, Comprehensions, Exceptions in Python * Understanding of the threading limitations of Python, and multi-process architecture * Familiarity with event-driven programming in Python * Strong unit test and debugging skills * Proficient understanding of code versioning tools (i.e Git) * Proficient understanding of REST APIs and requests module. * Proficient understanding of Unix Operating System * Experience in Security Domain is a plus! Feel free to contact me directly.. no recruiters or remote employees please! Thank you, Oliver -- Oliver Friedrichs, Founder and CEO, Phantom M: +1 (650) 208-5151 | oliver at phantom.us From jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 14:36:32 2016 From: jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com (Jeff Fischer) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:36:32 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? Message-ID: Hi everyone, As you may know, I have been helping Glen with hosting the BayPiggies talks this year. In planning the speakers for the rest of the year, we ran into some questions about what kinds of talks people want to see. Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, most talks focus on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to achieve something useful. For example, Dan's talk last month incorporated NumPy, Pandas, and Scikit-learn. Other talks may be about commercial products built around an Open Source offering (e.g. a past talk on Ansible and an upcoming talk on RockStor ). So, what about purely commercial offerings? If you have to pay to use an API, are you still interested? What about APIs to pay-to-use web services (say, the Boto API to Amazon's Web Services)? Should we focus on Open Source or cast our net wider? Where should we draw the line? Does it depend on the specific topic or speaker? Whether the API is available to individuals or just corporations? Personally, I am somewhat conflicted: I think we should welcome all kinds of speakers, but I would not want to see us degenerate into another meetup that is just pitches from Product Managers. Your thoughts on this are much appreciated! I am writing this with a specific situation in mind, but I would like to establish some more general guidelines. Thanks, Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stripes at tigerlair.com Thu Mar 17 14:40:58 2016 From: stripes at tigerlair.com (stripes) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:40:58 -0400 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160317184058.GB22989@tigerlair.com> Hi Jeff, While I haven't made it to a BayPiggies meeting yet (this whole work thing), I would not want to go to a commercial API presso. My personal interest in Python is for home and some lab use, so I have zero interest in commercial APIs. That said, are you getting a lot of them? Or is this just a one-off? Thanks, -Anne On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:36:32AM -0700, Jeff Fischer wrote: > Hi everyone, > ?? As you may know, I have been helping Glen with hosting the BayPiggies > talks this year. In planning the speakers for the rest of the year, we > ran into some questions about what kinds of talks people want to see. > ?? Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, most talks > focus on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to > achieve something useful. For example, Dan's talk last month > incorporated NumPy, Pandas, and Scikit-learn. Other talks may be about > commercial products built around an Open Source offering (e.g. a past > talk on [1]Ansible?? and?? an upcoming talk on?? [2]RockStor). > So, what about purely commercial offerings? If you have to pay to use > an API, are you still interested? What about APIs to pay-to-use web > services (say, the Boto API to Amazon's Web Services)? Should we focus > on Open Source or cast our net wider? Where should we draw the line? > Does it depend on the specific topic or speaker? Whether the API is > available to individuals or just corporations? > Personally, I am somewhat conflicted: I think we should welcome all > kinds of speakers, but I would not want to see us degenerate into > another meetup that is just pitches from Product Managers. > Your thoughts on this are much appreciated! I am writing this with a > specific situation in mind, but I would like to establish some more > general guidelines. > Thanks, > Jeff > > References > > 1. https://www.ansible.com/ > 2. http://rockstor.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -- You can fool some of (\`--/') _ _______ .-r-. the people some of the time >.~.\ `` ` `,`,`. ,'_'~`. but the Internet makes it a bit (v_," ; `,-\ ; : ; \/,-~) \ more efficent process. `--'_..),-/ ' ' '_.>-' )`.`.__.') stripes at tigerlair dot com ((,((,__..'~~~~~~((,__..' `-..-'fL From bdbaddog at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 15:01:31 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 15:01:31 -0400 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff, On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Jeff Fischer wrote: > Hi everyone, > As you may know, I have been helping Glen with hosting the BayPiggies > talks this year. In planning the speakers for the rest of the year, we ran > into some questions about what kinds of talks people want to see. > > Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, most talks focus > on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to achieve > something useful. For example, Dan's talk last month incorporated NumPy, > Pandas, and Scikit-learn. Other talks may be about commercial products > built around an Open Source offering (e.g. a past talk on Ansible > and an upcoming talk on RockStor > ). > > So, what about purely commercial offerings? > As in there's nothing in the whole talk which is generically python and/or free or useful without paying money? Perhaps limit the length of such to 5-10 minutes? And/or require a donation to the beer fund? (or whatever might be appropriate) Also I suppose it would be wise to check with our meeting site hosts what's ok with them. If you have to pay to use an API, are you still interested? > Yes. (assuming the scope is not terribly narrow) > What about APIs to pay-to-use web services (say, the Boto API to Amazon's > Web Services)? > Yes. > Should we focus on Open Source or cast our net wider? > Pragmatically, depends if we can fill our schedule with pure open source.. > Where should we draw the line? > Maybe the following would be a good way to deal with this: 1) If it's pure open source: yes 2) If it's open source implementation to call a general purpose (buy pay for API) like AWS, openstack, twilio, parse : Yes 3) Anything else: Float it to the group? Typically this isn't a last minute thing, so there'd be time to say: "Hey Joanne Smith from ACME want's to come talk about their down API for tracking roadrunners via satellite imaging, does that sound interesting?" (Or do a poll of some sort google forms? to gather the up/down vote if +1/-1 email responses aren't sufficient. Does meetup support something like this?) > Does it depend on the specific topic or speaker? > > Whether the API is available to individuals or just corporations? > > Personally, I am somewhat conflicted: I think we should welcome all kinds > of speakers, but I would not want to see us degenerate into another meetup > that is just pitches from Product Managers. > Ditto... Needs to have technical content, and prefer at least some Python content. -Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at noir.com Thu Mar 17 15:26:22 2016 From: rich at noir.com (K Richard Pixley) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 12:26:22 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd prefer to stick with open source offerings. I think of these talks as an opportunity for personal development, not an opportunity for more advertising. For advertising, someone should be paying for my time. If this forum devolves into a purely commercial marketing channel, I'll be leaving. --rich From bdbaddog at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 16:18:52 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 16:18:52 -0400 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rich, Would boto (for example) qualify or be disqualified for you? -Bill On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:26 PM, K Richard Pixley wrote: > I'd prefer to stick with open source offerings. > > I think of these talks as an opportunity for personal development, not > an opportunity for more advertising. For advertising, someone should be > paying for my time. > > If this forum devolves into a purely commercial marketing channel, I'll > be leaving. > > --rich > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at noir.com Thu Mar 17 17:21:04 2016 From: rich at noir.com (K Richard Pixley) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:21:04 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm conflicted. On the one hand, the package appears to be free, the service it accesses is well known, popular, and, at first glance, the package appears to come from someone other than the people who are selling the well known service. On the other hand, if microsoft offered a free library for interacting with it's domain, or oracle offered a free python interface to one of their database platforms... well, first off, I'd want to know why they were giving it away for free rather than offering it with commercial support along with the rest of their product line. But in this case, I'd expect that a presentation by these folks was more likely to be a non-technical, sales pitch than anything that would advance my understanding of the language or our art. I think I liked the idea of free stuff first, free stuff that access paid stuff second, and paid stuff a distant third, depending on what can be scheduled and who's interested in presenting. I think that might be a better strategy. --rich On 20160317 13:18, William Deegan wrote: > Rich, > > Would boto (for example) qualify or be disqualified for you? > > -Bill > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:26 PM, K Richard Pixley > wrote: > > I'd prefer to stick with open source offerings. > > I think of these talks as an opportunity for personal development, not > an opportunity for more advertising. For advertising, someone > should be > paying for my time. > > If this forum devolves into a purely commercial marketing channel, > I'll > be leaving. > > --rich > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich at noir.com Thu Mar 17 17:32:03 2016 From: rich at noir.com (K Richard Pixley) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:32:03 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1cc2bad6-0488-167e-7707-6d2b261a58dc@noir.com> ps, I'm also in favor of leaving as much room as possible for the people who are scheduling these things. My statement about wanting to avoid becoming a marketing channel is more of a cautionary tale than anything else. But I'm pretty sure that most folks on this list are sensitive to this already. --rich From bdbaddog at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 17:34:22 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 17:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rich, You should check out some of the AWS and other similar meetups. As long as there's reasonable competition, these guys are making decent contributions to open source.. (Yes.. even.. amazingly (My younger self would never believe I"m saying this) Microsoft). I do agree that nobody wants to come to baypiggies and get a product pitch. (free of reasonably generically useful technical info) -Bill On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:21 PM, K Richard Pixley wrote: > I'm conflicted. > > On the one hand, the package appears to be free, the service it accesses > is well known, popular, and, at first glance, the package appears to come > from someone other than the people who are selling the well known service. > > On the other hand, if microsoft offered a free library for interacting > with it's domain, or oracle offered a free python interface to one of their > database platforms... well, first off, I'd want to know why they were > giving it away for free rather than offering it with commercial support > along with the rest of their product line. But in this case, I'd expect > that a presentation by these folks was more likely to be a non-technical, > sales pitch than anything that would advance my understanding of the > language or our art. > > I think I liked the idea of free stuff first, free stuff that access paid > stuff second, and paid stuff a distant third, depending on what can be > scheduled and who's interested in presenting. I think that might be a > better strategy. > > --rich > > > On 20160317 13:18, William Deegan wrote: > > Rich, > > Would boto (for example) qualify or be disqualified for you? > > -Bill > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:26 PM, K Richard Pixley wrote: > >> I'd prefer to stick with open source offerings. >> >> I think of these talks as an opportunity for personal development, not >> an opportunity for more advertising. For advertising, someone should be >> paying for my time. >> >> If this forum devolves into a purely commercial marketing channel, I'll >> be leaving. >> >> --rich >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bikle101 at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 18:20:02 2016 From: bikle101 at gmail.com (Dan Bikle) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 22:20:02 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I vote for pro-commercial. Companies I like are contuum.io , google, heroku, amazon, dato, github, bitbucket, salesforce, twitter, square, ... Many python projects depend on services provided by above companies. I'd like to hear what they have to say. And if we invite them, maybe they will be quicker to fix bugs in their Python APIs. -Dan On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:34 PM, William Deegan wrote: > Rich, > > You should check out some of the AWS and other similar meetups. > As long as there's reasonable competition, these guys are making decent > contributions to open source.. (Yes.. even.. amazingly (My younger self > would never believe I"m saying this) Microsoft). > > I do agree that nobody wants to come to baypiggies and get a product > pitch. (free of reasonably generically useful technical info) > > -Bill > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:21 PM, K Richard Pixley wrote: > >> I'm conflicted. >> >> On the one hand, the package appears to be free, the service it accesses >> is well known, popular, and, at first glance, the package appears to come >> from someone other than the people who are selling the well known service. >> >> On the other hand, if microsoft offered a free library for interacting >> with it's domain, or oracle offered a free python interface to one of their >> database platforms... well, first off, I'd want to know why they were >> giving it away for free rather than offering it with commercial support >> along with the rest of their product line. But in this case, I'd expect >> that a presentation by these folks was more likely to be a non-technical, >> sales pitch than anything that would advance my understanding of the >> language or our art. >> >> I think I liked the idea of free stuff first, free stuff that access paid >> stuff second, and paid stuff a distant third, depending on what can be >> scheduled and who's interested in presenting. I think that might be a >> better strategy. >> >> --rich >> >> >> On 20160317 13:18, William Deegan wrote: >> >> Rich, >> >> Would boto (for example) qualify or be disqualified for you? >> >> -Bill >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:26 PM, K Richard Pixley wrote: >> >>> I'd prefer to stick with open source offerings. >>> >>> I think of these talks as an opportunity for personal development, not >>> an opportunity for more advertising. For advertising, someone should be >>> paying for my time. >>> >>> If this forum devolves into a purely commercial marketing channel, I'll >>> be leaving. >>> >>> --rich >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimmy at retzlaff.com Thu Mar 17 18:28:42 2016 From: jimmy at retzlaff.com (Jimmy Retzlaff) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 15:28:42 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's been awhile since I've made it down from the city for a meeting, but I used to be a regular and gave several BayPIGies talks way back in the Stanford days and one or two since (some about open source, others not). One thing that always interests me in attending a talk, even if it isn't about open source, is how people are using Python. Where is Python used and what are the benefits and hurdles involved? There are many interesting organizations using Python in ways we can't see directly (NASA, Google, my employer Yelp, etc.). As long as the focus is on how/why Python is being applied and not an overt sales pitch, then I'm interested. Hearing about how NASA deals with the latencies involved in communicating with rovers on Mars, even when Python is only tangentially involved, is fascinating. As is hearing about how Google/Yelp/etc. work with very large quantities of data in Python. I also think it's fair to have a slide or two that motivates companies to pay their engineers to develop presentations and get out and speak. That could be "we're hiring" or "you can use our non-free API and here is what it does." I don't think it should be the focus of the presentation, but without that there isn't a lot of motivation for companies to open up and teach lessons they've learned. Make it practical for companies to be open and more of them will be. Jimmy On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 2:34 PM, William Deegan wrote: > Rich, > > You should check out some of the AWS and other similar meetups. > As long as there's reasonable competition, these guys are making decent > contributions to open source.. (Yes.. even.. amazingly (My younger self > would never believe I"m saying this) Microsoft). > > I do agree that nobody wants to come to baypiggies and get a product > pitch. (free of reasonably generically useful technical info) > > -Bill > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:21 PM, K Richard Pixley wrote: > >> I'm conflicted. >> >> On the one hand, the package appears to be free, the service it accesses >> is well known, popular, and, at first glance, the package appears to come >> from someone other than the people who are selling the well known service. >> >> On the other hand, if microsoft offered a free library for interacting >> with it's domain, or oracle offered a free python interface to one of their >> database platforms... well, first off, I'd want to know why they were >> giving it away for free rather than offering it with commercial support >> along with the rest of their product line. But in this case, I'd expect >> that a presentation by these folks was more likely to be a non-technical, >> sales pitch than anything that would advance my understanding of the >> language or our art. >> >> I think I liked the idea of free stuff first, free stuff that access paid >> stuff second, and paid stuff a distant third, depending on what can be >> scheduled and who's interested in presenting. I think that might be a >> better strategy. >> >> --rich >> >> >> On 20160317 13:18, William Deegan wrote: >> >> Rich, >> >> Would boto (for example) qualify or be disqualified for you? >> >> -Bill >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 3:26 PM, K Richard Pixley wrote: >> >>> I'd prefer to stick with open source offerings. >>> >>> I think of these talks as an opportunity for personal development, not >>> an opportunity for more advertising. For advertising, someone should be >>> paying for my time. >>> >>> If this forum devolves into a purely commercial marketing channel, I'll >>> be leaving. >>> >>> --rich >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DennisR at dair.com Fri Mar 18 00:42:56 2016 From: DennisR at dair.com (Dennis Reinhardt) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 21:42:56 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >... most talks focus on how to use various Python-based open source >libraries ... So, what about purely commercial offerings? I don't know that either would motivate me to fight Mountain View traffic. I want to hear about the architecture, not about API library calls. Implementation of AMP in Python would be interesting. From kd at karend.net Fri Mar 18 02:00:02 2016 From: kd at karend.net (Karen Dalton) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 23:00:02 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56EB9962.3060407@karend.net> Short answer: I think the leadership should have latitude about what would be useful and informative to the developers. TL;DR: I am not opposed to talk on software that has a cost associated with it if that increases my technical knowledge. For example if a fake company had a new product SuperDevelopmentX that had a python component that made my (software development) life easier I would want to know about it, and learn more about it. Or if a high proportion of developers started to use the python SuperDevelopmentX module/API/service/whatever I would appreciate the chance to see what it could do so I could talk to the people above me why we actually should or actually shouldn't look into incorporating it. In my experience not all free software is good, and not all good software is free (though I hope it all can be). I am happy to learn about open source projects and tools and I operate professionally in that space currently. But in the real world sometimes we, as developers, do have to use non-open source software or systems or services through corporate obligations or technical necessity. If the Baypiggies group decided to only hear about only open source topics I would understand. But in the time I have left in the day to learn about additional things in the current python-o-sphere, I would also like to learn about all kinds of relevant topics that will help me excel in my current work, and make me marketable should I choose to go elsewhere. Which, I think, means embracing the reality of learning about non-open source things some of the time. -Karen On 3/17/16 11:36 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote: > Hi everyone, > As you may know, I have been helping Glen with hosting the BayPiggies > talks this year. In planning the speakers for the rest of the year, we > ran into some questions about what kinds of talks people want to see. > > Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, most talks > focus on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to > achieve something useful. For example, Dan's talk last month > incorporated NumPy, Pandas, and Scikit-learn. Other talks may be about > commercial products built around an Open Source offering (e.g. a past > talk on Ansible and an upcoming talk on > RockStor ). > > So, what about purely commercial offerings? If you have to pay to use > an API, are you still interested? What about APIs to pay-to-use web > services (say, the Boto API to Amazon's Web Services)? Should we focus > on Open Source or cast our net wider? Where should we draw the line? > Does it depend on the specific topic or speaker? Whether the API is > available to individuals or just corporations? > > Personally, I am somewhat conflicted: I think we should welcome all > kinds of speakers, but I would not want to see us degenerate into > another meetup that is just pitches from Product Managers. > > Your thoughts on this are much appreciated! I am writing this with a > specific situation in mind, but I would like to establish some more > general guidelines. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wescpy at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 02:38:42 2016 From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 23:38:42 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: <56EB9962.3060407@karend.net> References: <56EB9962.3060407@karend.net> Message-ID: I'm glad we're having this discussion. There are many gray areas,... some grayer than others, while some are obviously clear. There should be no change to anything open source. When you start adding in the commercial stuff that people pay for, that also has variance, and we've seen some of those in this thread so far. I have another... I could give a talk about Google APIs at a future meeting if there was sufficient interest. Our APIs Client Library is open source and available for multiple environments. Also, using our APIs are generally free too. (The only ones that cost money are the commercial versions of Google Maps, Analytics, and most of our Cloud Platform, but everything else is generally free, and it's pretty easy to do in/with Python.) The most important thing to me, however, is that the talk is technical and given by an engineer, not a sales or product marketing person. Something that's purely commerical to use *and* given by someone in Sales or Product Management is too far I think, unless they're somehow sponsoring, i.e., providing the venue, food, etc. But I would at least hope that their API client is open source, if not the service. Cheers, --Wesley On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:00 PM, Karen Dalton wrote: > Short answer: I think the leadership should have latitude about what would > be useful and informative to the developers. > > TL;DR: > I am not opposed to talk on software that has a cost associated with it if > that increases my technical knowledge. For example if a fake company had a > new product SuperDevelopmentX that had a python component that made my > (software development) life easier I would want to know about it, and learn > more about it. Or if a high proportion of developers started to use the > python SuperDevelopmentX module/API/service/whatever I would appreciate the > chance to see what it could do so I could talk to the people above me why > we actually should or actually shouldn't look into incorporating it. In my > experience not all free software is good, and not all good software is free > (though I hope it all can be). > > I am happy to learn about open source projects and tools and I operate > professionally in that space currently. But in the real world sometimes we, > as developers, do have to use non-open source software or systems or > services through corporate obligations or technical necessity. > > If the Baypiggies group decided to only hear about only open source topics > I would understand. But in the time I have left in the day to learn about > additional things in the current python-o-sphere, I would also like to > learn about all kinds of relevant topics that will help me excel in my > current work, and make me marketable should I choose to go elsewhere. > Which, I think, means embracing the reality of learning about non-open > source things some of the time. > > -Karen > > > On 3/17/16 11:36 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote: > > Hi everyone, > As you may know, I have been helping Glen with hosting the BayPiggies > talks this year. In planning the speakers for the rest of the year, we ran > into some questions about what kinds of talks people want to see. > > Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, most talks focus > on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to achieve > something useful. For example, Dan's talk last month incorporated NumPy, > Pandas, and Scikit-learn. Other talks may be about commercial products > built around an Open Source offering (e.g. a past talk on Ansible > and an upcoming talk on RockStor > ). > > So, what about purely commercial offerings? If you have to pay to use an > API, are you still interested? What about APIs to pay-to-use web services > (say, the Boto API to Amazon's Web Services)? Should we focus on Open > Source or cast our net wider? Where should we draw the line? Does it depend > on the specific topic or speaker? Whether the API is available to > individuals or just corporations? > > Personally, I am somewhat conflicted: I think we should welcome all kinds > of speakers, but I would not want to see us degenerate into another meetup > that is just pitches from Product Managers. > > Your thoughts on this are much appreciated! I am writing this with a > specific situation in mind, but I would like to establish some more general > guidelines. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing listBaypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it." +wesley chun : wescpy at gmail : @wescpy Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com Python blog: http://wescpy.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Fri Mar 18 13:44:07 2016 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 17:44:07 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56EC3E67.9010807@well.com> I'm okay with talks by developers working for commercial Python software in this respect. A simple walk through an API is pretty much worthless. But commercial development groups do some eye-opening stuff, and having someone explain cool stuff is cool, For example: * techniques and tool chains can be inventive and helpful * PyDoc: it's right there and still is badly underused. If there's a way to get coders or someone connected with the coding team to comment properly would be wonderful to know. Perhaps re-evaluating the nice lady who knows how to spell (the technical writer) could edit and therefore enforce proper comments and develop copy-and-paste type phrases and maybe paragraphs for common classes and functions. * Python styles and especially reasons for breaking the rules. * Rules of thumb for evaluating licensing. * A Python-specific use of agile and scrum work. * QA tricks for detecting circular dependencies and other subtle miseries. On 03/17/2016 07:26 PM, K Richard Pixley wrote: > I'd prefer to stick with open source offerings. > > I think of these talks as an opportunity for personal development, not > an opportunity for more advertising. For advertising, someone should be > paying for my time. > > If this forum devolves into a purely commercial marketing channel, I'll > be leaving. > > --rich > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at well.com Fri Mar 18 15:29:44 2016 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 19:29:44 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: <56EC3E67.9010807@well.com> References: <56EC3E67.9010807@well.com> Message-ID: <56EC5728.3050908@well.com> also in these respects: * performance and other optimizations * use of Python _internals * Python-specific problems and achievements interfacing with internet services * Python if it's used for embedded systems * Contributions to open source (e.g. OpenStack) * any clarifications on using recently improved technologies The trick in negotiating with an engineer who works for a commercial company is to get the ideas into the engineer's head: what's interesting is an honest report on Python development and problems. The contrast might be "we don't want some marketing person to present us features and an API." On 03/18/2016 05:44 PM, jim wrote: > > I'm okay with talks by developers working for > commercial Python software in this respect. > > A simple walk through an API is pretty much > worthless. > But commercial development groups do some > eye-opening stuff, and having someone explain > cool stuff is cool, For example: > * techniques and tool chains can be inventive > and helpful > * PyDoc: it's right there and still is badly > underused. If there's a way to get coders or > someone connected with the coding team to > comment properly would be wonderful to know. > Perhaps re-evaluating the nice lady who knows > how to spell (the technical writer) could edit > and therefore enforce proper comments and > develop copy-and-paste type phrases and maybe > paragraphs for common classes and functions. > * Python styles and especially reasons for breaking > the rules. > * Rules of thumb for evaluating licensing. > * A Python-specific use of agile and scrum work. > * QA tricks for detecting circular dependencies > and other subtle miseries. > > > > > > On 03/17/2016 07:26 PM, K Richard Pixley wrote: >> I'd prefer to stick with open source offerings. >> >> I think of these talks as an opportunity for personal development, not >> an opportunity for more advertising. For advertising, someone should be >> paying for my time. >> >> If this forum devolves into a purely commercial marketing channel, I'll >> be leaving. >> >> --rich >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Fri Mar 18 20:14:21 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 17:14:21 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have one tangential comment: On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote: > Hi everyone, > As you may know, I have been helping Glen with hosting the BayPiggies > talks this year. > Jeff, you're being modest. I'm helping you :) You're now doing almost all of the work. You rock! :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aahz at pythoncraft.com Fri Mar 18 20:29:12 2016 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 17:29:12 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] [ADMIN] Sexism alert (was Thoughts on commercial talks) Message-ID: <20160319002912.GA6530@panix.com> I'm marking this with the [ADMIN] tag to declare that any flaming or excessive discussion will be banned. And overall it's not a big deal (particularly because I see few such examples on this list), but I've gotten to the point where I'm not willing to let casual microaggressions go unremarked, because keeping the Python community welcoming for everyone is critical. If you're not familiar with "microaggression", here are a couple of reference URLS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/microaggressions-in-everyday-life/201011/microaggressions-more-just-race On Fri, Mar 18, 2016, jim wrote: > > * PyDoc: it's right there and still is badly underused. If there's a > way to get coders or someone connected with the coding team to comment > properly would be wonderful to know. Perhaps re-evaluating the nice > lady who knows how to spell (the technical writer) could edit and > therefore enforce proper comments and develop copy-and-paste type > phrases and maybe paragraphs for common classes and functions. This is a triple-bogus sexist comment: it assumes that tech writers are women (which is statistically true but there are plenty of men tech writers -- I've been one -- and it reinforces a false perception that women *should* be tech writers instead of taking more technical roles); it assumes that women are "ladies" (which a lot of women dislike, particularly in the context of "act like a lady"); and it pushes the stereotype that women should be nice. I doubt that Jim intended the effect (that's why microaggressions are about unconscious biases), but I hope this explanation makes clear why it's problematic. My standard recommendation these days for people who want to understand better how language interacts with sexism/racism/etc is _The Everyday Language of White Racism_ (Jane Hill). It only talks about racism, but it really opened my eyes to how language works to reinforce power differentials (kyriarchy) in general terms. For those of you who haven't been paying attention to the PSF, I consider this list to subscribe to the tenets of the Code of Conduct and Diversity Statement: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ https://www.python.org/psf/diversity/ Overall, I'd have to say it's a Good Thing that this hasn't previously been needed as an item of discusion. I'm sorry I need to bring it up now, and I hope we shan't need any further discussion. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Perl is the language of choice of net abusers." --Larry Wall From jim at well.com Fri Mar 18 21:12:47 2016 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 01:12:47 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] [ADMIN] Sexism alert (was Thoughts on commercial talks) In-Reply-To: <20160319002912.GA6530@panix.com> References: <20160319002912.GA6530@panix.com> Message-ID: <56ECA78F.4030406@well.com> Good to see this. I didn't know of the term microaggressions. I'll read the links. I was a technical writer and early on some programmers cringed as I approached. The stereotype at the time was as I phrased it--someone to whom the coder had to define "variable" (in my case a few decades ago it was dd (define double). I should mention that the two most competent technical writers were female, super smart. That group had a couple of really erudite males, too. When I was teaching programming (hundreds of students over a decade), with exactly one exception, the best students in the classes all were female. Thanks for the slap, really. On 03/19/2016 12:29 AM, Aahz wrote: > I'm marking this with the [ADMIN] tag to declare that any flaming or > excessive discussion will be banned. And overall it's not a big deal > (particularly because I see few such examples on this list), but I've > gotten to the point where I'm not willing to let casual microaggressions > go unremarked, because keeping the Python community welcoming for > everyone is critical. > > If you're not familiar with "microaggression", here are a couple of > reference URLS: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory > > https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/microaggressions-in-everyday-life/201011/microaggressions-more-just-race > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016, jim wrote: >> * PyDoc: it's right there and still is badly underused. If there's a >> way to get coders or someone connected with the coding team to comment >> properly would be wonderful to know. Perhaps re-evaluating the nice >> lady who knows how to spell (the technical writer) could edit and >> therefore enforce proper comments and develop copy-and-paste type >> phrases and maybe paragraphs for common classes and functions. > This is a triple-bogus sexist comment: it assumes that tech writers are > women (which is statistically true but there are plenty of men tech > writers -- I've been one -- and it reinforces a false perception that > women *should* be tech writers instead of taking more technical roles); > it assumes that women are "ladies" (which a lot of women dislike, > particularly in the context of "act like a lady"); and it pushes the > stereotype that women should be nice. > > I doubt that Jim intended the effect (that's why microaggressions are > about unconscious biases), but I hope this explanation makes clear why > it's problematic. > > My standard recommendation these days for people who want to understand > better how language interacts with sexism/racism/etc is _The Everyday > Language of White Racism_ (Jane Hill). It only talks about racism, but > it really opened my eyes to how language works to reinforce power > differentials (kyriarchy) in general terms. > > For those of you who haven't been paying attention to the PSF, I consider > this list to subscribe to the tenets of the Code of Conduct and Diversity > Statement: > > https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > https://www.python.org/psf/diversity/ > > Overall, I'd have to say it's a Good Thing that this hasn't previously > been needed as an item of discusion. I'm sorry I need to bring it up > now, and I hope we shan't need any further discussion. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And overall it's not a big deal > (particularly because I see few such examples on this list), but I've > gotten to the point where I'm not willing to let casual microaggressions > go unremarked, because keeping the Python community welcoming for > everyone is critical. > > If you're not familiar with "microaggression", here are a couple of > reference URLS: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory > > > https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/microaggressions-in-everyday-life/201011/microaggressions-more-just-race > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016, jim wrote: > > > > * PyDoc: it's right there and still is badly underused. If there's a > > way to get coders or someone connected with the coding team to comment > > properly would be wonderful to know. Perhaps re-evaluating the nice > > lady who knows how to spell (the technical writer) could edit and > > therefore enforce proper comments and develop copy-and-paste type > > phrases and maybe paragraphs for common classes and functions. > > This is a triple-bogus sexist comment: it assumes that tech writers are > women (which is statistically true but there are plenty of men tech > writers -- I've been one -- and it reinforces a false perception that > women *should* be tech writers instead of taking more technical roles); > it assumes that women are "ladies" (which a lot of women dislike, > particularly in the context of "act like a lady"); and it pushes the > stereotype that women should be nice. > > I doubt that Jim intended the effect (that's why microaggressions are > about unconscious biases), but I hope this explanation makes clear why > it's problematic. > > My standard recommendation these days for people who want to understand > better how language interacts with sexism/racism/etc is _The Everyday > Language of White Racism_ (Jane Hill). It only talks about racism, but > it really opened my eyes to how language works to reinforce power > differentials (kyriarchy) in general terms. > > For those of you who haven't been paying attention to the PSF, I consider > this list to subscribe to the tenets of the Code of Conduct and Diversity > Statement: > > https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > https://www.python.org/psf/diversity/ > > Overall, I'd have to say it's a Good Thing that this hasn't previously > been needed as an item of discusion. I'm sorry I need to bring it up > now, and I hope we shan't need any further discussion. > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "Perl is the language of choice of net abusers." --Larry Wall > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- OpenPGP: http://hasan.d8u.us/gpg.asc Sent from my mobile device Envoy? de mon portable -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From itz at buug.org Sat Mar 19 00:53:18 2016 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:53:18 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] [ADMIN] Sexism alert (was Thoughts on commercial talks) In-Reply-To: <20160319002912.GA6530@panix.com> References: <20160319002912.GA6530@panix.com> Message-ID: <20160319045100.16097.0BFFD350@ahiker.mooo.com> On 2016-03-18 17:29 -0700, Aahz wrote: > it assumes that women are "ladies" (which a lot of women dislike, > particularly in the context of "act like a lady"); and it pushes the > stereotype that women should be nice. I think _both_ men and women should be nice, and act like ladies. Similarly, I think _neither_ men nor women should provide their bodies as weapons of war. Am I sexist? -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court. From aahz at pythoncraft.com Sat Mar 19 06:16:22 2016 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 03:16:22 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] [ADMIN] Sexism alert (was Thoughts on commercial talks) In-Reply-To: <20160319045100.16097.0BFFD350@ahiker.mooo.com> References: <20160319002912.GA6530@panix.com> <20160319045100.16097.0BFFD350@ahiker.mooo.com> Message-ID: <20160319101622.GA14870@panix.com> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2016-03-18 17:29 -0700, Aahz wrote: >> >> it assumes that women are "ladies" (which a lot of women dislike, >> particularly in the context of "act like a lady"); and it pushes the >> stereotype that women should be nice. > > I think _both_ men and women should be nice, and act like ladies. > > Similarly, I think _neither_ men nor women should provide their bodies > as weapons of war. > > Am I sexist? The question isn't whether you're sexist -- I'm certainly sexist and I've worked fairly hard at getting rid of that. I can't off-hand think of any society that is sufficiently egalitarian that a significant portion of the population never picks up sexism/racism/etc, we almost all have these subconscious attitudes we learn. The question is whether any particular piece of communication is sexist, reinforcing those attitudes. My perception is that for most people (and certainly my own experience bears it out) learning new ways to communicate and new ways of thinking about communication is much easier than fixing our internal biases. A lot of people think that being "PC" is just about making people feel good -- and to some extent they're right! But my POV is that being an adult is largely about simply behaving like an adult regardless of what one actually feels. ;-) So we learn not to grab things that belong to other people and we learn to talk in ways that stop reinforcing the kyriarchy. That will bring more people into the Python community. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Perl is the language of choice of net abusers." --Larry Wall From blytherocks at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 12:32:34 2016 From: blytherocks at gmail.com (Blythe Cairnes) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 09:32:34 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] [ADMIN] Not Sexism to Us All... (was Thoughts on Commercial Talks) Message-ID: As another woman, lady, female, etc. I feel that this conversation got completely derailed for no particular reason, and I am not offended in any way, shape or form by any verbiage that has been posted. IMHO, this group has never used language that has offended me, and I am a part of this group because of the level of mutual respect that has always been offered, and also I'd like to keep to the topic at hand... Python. Aahz, I completely respect your feelings, and I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion. I feel that maybe a personal message may have been more appropriate than calling out someone on an entire mailing list, as the thoughts that you articulate as offensive were not consistent with the rest of the conversation at hand. This is all I will say on the matter, and I will not engage in any further discussion or argument. Rock on, fellow Python friends, I hope you all have a great weekend! Kind Regards, Blythe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 17:33:58 2016 From: jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com (Jeff Fischer) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 14:33:58 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Reminder: BayPiggies meeting this Thursday 7 pm @ LinkedIn: Python <=> Virtual Reality app Message-ID: Just a reminder that Matt Savage is giving this month's BayPiggies talk this Thursday. Details can be found on our website's home page at baypigges.net and on the Meetup.com event page . Matt has an update on the talk: My fellow Baypiggies, pythonistas and pythoneers - If you wish to be an active participant in the meetup on Thursday, I recommend you take the following steps: [1] Install Unity3d on your laptops. http://unity3d.com/get-unity? (the Personal Edition will suffice) [2] Download the Cardboard SDK. For Android: https://developers.google.com/cardboard/unity/get-started For iOS: https://developers.google.com/cardboard/unity/get-started-ios [3] Bring a cable, Bluetooth device or other device that enables you to build from Unity3d to your phone. If you do not wish to do this, you can still compile Cardboard to standalone Mac or Windows platforms. [4] Bring a Cardboard viewer. I tend to recommend Unofficial Cardboard; I find its adjustable lenses to be very useful. http://www.unofficialcardboard.com/collections/all/products/2-0-plus?variant=13557088519 I look forward to seeing everyone on Thursday! 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See you all on Thursday! -Matt Savage On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Jeff Fischer wrote: > Thursday, March 24, 2016 > > Topic: A talk focusing on a Python<->Virtual Reality "Hello World" app. > > Speaker: Matt Savage > > Abstract: > > Matt is a long-time Python coder (going back to the 1990s). He has worked a > lot in Health IT, but over the last year he has been working on various VR > (Virtual Reality) projects. He is currently involved in multiple projects at > the moment that utilize Google Cardboard. One project is a collaboration > with a prominent Boston-based artist/classical musician. Another project is > for VR add-ons for a clinical management system that he authored and that is > in use at clinics in the Bay Area. > > He will guide the audience through producing a simple Hello World > application via Google Cardboard that pulls down VR-altering data from an > AWS / Flask / PostgreSQL application. > > Meetup available to register > > BayPiggies has a group on meetup.com: http://www.meetup.com/BAyPIGgies/. > Please RSVP at: http://www.meetup.com/BAyPIGgies/events/228208209/. Although > it is not strictly necessary, the more people that RSVP, the more newcomers > will be interested in attending (no one likes being the first one at a > party). Thanks! > > > Meeting Schedule: > > 7:00 pm Networking > 7:20 pm Announcements > 7:30 pm Presentation > 9:00 pm Event ends > > Location: LinkedIn > > 2025 Stierlin Ct., Mountain View, CA (map) > > > Meeting Room: Unite (On the second floor) > > As always, everyone is welcome and there is no fee to attend. See > http://baypiggies.net for more about the BayPiggies (Bay Area Python > Interest Group). From itz at buug.org Tue Mar 22 05:53:43 2016 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 02:53:43 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Images in Tkinter, help before I go nuts Message-ID: <20160322090827.11335.03F9DC3A@ahiker.mooo.com> So, as preparation for another project which shall remain unmentioned for now, I am trying to write a simple image viewer in Tkinter. The one aspect that keeps it from being completely trivial is that it is not driven by mousey actions but by commands from stdin, which naturally must be read in a different thread. This is the aspect that makes it valuable in the larger project, so it must stay in. Here is what I have so far: # -*-Python-*- import Tkinter as T import json import threading as TH import sys import Queue as Q SIZES = ('width', 'height') class Work(object): def __init__(self, **kwargs): self.kwargs = kwargs def __getattr__(self, k): return self.kwargs[k] def __getitem__(self, k): return self.kwargs[k] def front(iwid, q): line = sys.stdin.readline().strip() while line: work = Work(**json.loads(line)) q.put(work) iwid.event_generate('<<%s>>' % work.kind) line = sys.stdin.readline().strip() def handle_title(iwid, e, q): work = q.get() iwid._root().title(work.title) def handle_size(iwid, e, q): work = q.get() iwid.config(**{k: work[k] for k in SIZES}) def handle_quit(iwid, e, q): work = q.get() iwid._root().destroy() def handle_image(iwid, e, q): work = q.get() width, height = [iwid[k] for k in SIZES] piltk = T.PhotoImage(file=work.name) iwid.config(image=piltk) def main(): q = Q.Queue() iwid = T.Label() piltk = T.PhotoImage(file='curious_tree.gif') iwid.config(image=piltk) iwid.grid(column=0, row=0) iwid.bind('<>', lambda e: handle_title(iwid, e, q)) iwid.bind('<<Size>>', lambda e: handle_size(iwid, e, q)) iwid.bind('<<Quit>>', lambda e: handle_quit(iwid, e, q)) iwid.bind('<<Image>>', lambda e: handle_image(iwid, e, q)) ft = TH.Thread(target=lambda: front(iwid, q)) ft.daemon = True ft.start() iwid.mainloop() if __name__ == "__main__": main() To summarize, front() - which runs in a subthread - reads commands from stdin in JSON format, one per line, and manufactures events that it sends to the Tk main loop. The events let the main loop know there is work to do; the details of the work it retrieves from a Queue. This basic structure seems to work; the Title, Size and Quit events are processed perfectly. My problem is with the Image event/command, which of course is the main one. The JSON command for it looks like {"kind": "Image", "name": "curious_tree.gif"} When the main loop receives the corresponding event (i.e. '<<Image>>'), it is supposed to change the image displayed in the label widget (iwid). What actually happens, though, is that the widget gets resized to the correct native size of the image (so evidently the image file is found and read), but the image is _not_ drawn; and when I send the next Size event, I get this: [112+3]coverlet$ python ./image_handler.py {"kind": "Size", "width": 200, "height": 200} {"kind": "Image", "name": "onboat.gif"} {"kind": "Size", "width": 200, "height": 200} Exception in Tkinter callback Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1437, in __call__ return self.func(*args) File "./image_handler.py", line 62, in <lambda> iwid.bind('<<Size>>', lambda e: handle_size(iwid, e, q)) File "./image_handler.py", line 42, in handle_size iwid.config(**{k: work[k] for k in SIZES}) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1229, in configure return self._configure('configure', cnf, kw) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 1220, in _configure self.tk.call(_flatten((self._w, cmd)) + self._options(cnf)) TclError: image "pyimage1" doesn't exist Now notice the code in main() where iwid is constructed. It is almost literally the same as the code in the event handler (the only difference being that in the handler the filename comes from the JSON command, but I traced that part and the name passes through correctly). And the initialization code *works*, the widget initially displays the file curious_tree.gif exactly as intended. I found a few Stack Overflow and similar discussions where that infuriating error message pops up, and people suggest it has something to do with creating multiple images, each in a different main loop. But I should add that in my case I get the exception (and no redraw) even when I remove the initial setting, i.e. when the event handler's image is the first one constructed. I believe that is visible in the above backtrace, that's why the name is "pyimage1". Am I missing some referesh step that must be done to the widget or to the image? Or wth is going on here? Thanks. -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court. From itz at buug.org Wed Mar 23 01:55:33 2016 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 22:55:33 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Images in Tkinter, help before I go nuts In-Reply-To: <20160322090827.11335.03F9DC3A@ahiker.mooo.com> References: <20160322090827.11335.03F9DC3A@ahiker.mooo.com> Message-ID: <20160323054255.18855.37DB4E64@ahiker.mooo.com> On 2016-03-22 02:53 -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > TclError: image "pyimage1" doesn't exist The issue turns out to be this: one must keep a reference to the image object other than just passing it to Label.config(), otherwise it will be "finalized" as soon as the variable naming it goes out of scope. And silently so. Probably a good part of the ppl seeing this error and asking on StackOverflow would solve it this way, but not many answers mention it. My project can be seen here: https://github.com/nobrowser/coverlet Sorry to say that to make use of it you need a repository of cover art in a very specific format which I still need to document. That will be the next step, after I recover from this battle. -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court. From martin at falatic.com Wed Mar 23 02:45:57 2016 From: martin at falatic.com (Martin Falatic) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 23:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Baypiggies] Images in Tkinter, help before I go nuts In-Reply-To: <20160323054255.18855.37DB4E64@ahiker.mooo.com> References: <20160322090827.11335.03F9DC3A@ahiker.mooo.com> <20160323054255.18855.37DB4E64@ahiker.mooo.com> Message-ID: <52080.24.7.60.89.1458715557.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> I have to ask (it'd also be educational for the others on the list I think): what license is the license for this code based on? It's sort of like ZPL, but the only direct match was from one of your other code repos so is it your own custom license variation? How compatible is your license with other licenses commonly used in Python, like Apache or MIT? (It appears to be GPL-friendly as well, but I am not a lawyer.) I found some discussion of ZPL here: https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope/2007-December/172690.html It interests me as to why people choose the licenses they do for their Python code (particularly code that ends up in PyPI packages and can - like (gnu)readline - evidently lead to interesting problems with GPL contamination). - Marty On Tue, March 22, 2016 22:55, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2016-03-22 02:53 -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > >> TclError: image "pyimage1" doesn't exist >> > > The issue turns out to be this: one must keep a reference to the image > object other than just passing it to Label.config(), otherwise it will be > "finalized" as soon as the variable naming it goes out of scope. And > silently so. > > Probably a good part of the ppl seeing this error and asking on > StackOverflow would solve it this way, but not many answers mention it. > > > My project can be seen here: > > > https://github.com/nobrowser/coverlet > > > Sorry to say that to make use of it you need a repository of cover art > in a very specific format which I still need to document. That will be the > next step, after I recover from this battle. > > -- > Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. > Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court. > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > From itz at buug.org Wed Mar 23 03:48:52 2016 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 00:48:52 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Licenses [Was: Images in Tkinter, help before I go nuts] In-Reply-To: <52080.24.7.60.89.1458715557.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> References: <20160322090827.11335.03F9DC3A@ahiker.mooo.com> <20160323054255.18855.37DB4E64@ahiker.mooo.com> <52080.24.7.60.89.1458715557.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: <20160323072958.20125.2D8C49FD@ahiker.mooo.com> On 2016-03-22 23:45 -0700, Martin Falatic wrote: > I have to ask (it'd also be educational for the others on the list I > think): what license is the license for this code based on? It's sort > of like ZPL, but the only direct match was from one of your other code > repos so is it your own custom license variation? How compatible is > your license with other licenses commonly used in Python, like Apache > or MIT? (It appears to be GPL-friendly as well, but I am not a > lawyer.) Interesting question. Yes, ZPL was the base; I have only added an extra clause to it. I have not considered interaction with licenses other than GPL, I confess. And for GPL, I am very sure that it is compatible (as sure as a NAL can be): ZPL occurs on the list of compatible licenses produced by FSF, and the extra clause does not restrict combined works in any way, apart from the requirement that applies to _all_ uses. I made this choice years ago after thinking seriously of what I really want to achieve with the license. I am very much a "cathedral" person and my goal is first and foremost to keep control of the project, preventing a contributor or even a "community" of contributors taking it into a direction that I disagree with. Which actually had happened with some of my earlier GPL code. hth, and I promise to make my latest baby more usable with docs and tools. -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court. From jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 12:32:00 2016 From: jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com (Jeff Fischer) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 09:32:00 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: <56EC5728.3050908@well.com> References: <CAPFNg_2Gfds7_mncG8nkvzU7vstkwbOrQOeUAWTdU+UJ03F+Ww@mail.gmail.com> <b2211734-9f5b-374b-1d42-565b91c19874@noir.com> <56EC3E67.9010807@well.com> <56EC5728.3050908@well.com> Message-ID: <CAPFNg_1H+DKN7tsGApGC1EngcgucFox2GmbXvkpoa=3Co_bj2g@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to everyone for your feedback on your interest in commercial talks. I appreciate your insightful comments! Here is my attempt to summarize the feedback: *Commercial Talks at BayPiggies* Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, many talks focus on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to achieve something useful. We are also interested in how people are using Python, even in closed source environments, if they are in an interesting problem space, solving some unique challenges, or in other ways providing helpful technical content relevant beyond a specific product. Talks about using Python APIs to major commercial web services are also welcome, particularly if individual developers can easily experiment with the services and some technical insight into the APIs/services is provided. People are coming to these meetings on their personal time and are looking for help in their day-to-day jobs, career growth, or personal enrichment. As such, purely commercial talks given by someone in sales or product management are generally not appropriate for BayPiggies. For grey areas, we will raise the talk subject on the BayPiggies mailing list to gauge the level of interest. Let me know if you have any suggested edits. If this works for everyone, I will use this as a guideline when interacting with potential speakers. There's a specific talk I have in mind - I can show this to the proposed speakers and ask them how they will fit in with our guidelines. Thanks! - Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is my attempt to > summarize the feedback: > > *Commercial Talks at BayPiggies* > Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, many talks > focus on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to > achieve something useful. We are also interested in how people are > using Python, even in closed source environments, if they are in > an interesting problem space, solving some unique challenges, or > in other ways providing helpful technical content relevant beyond > a specific product. Talks about using Python APIs to major > commercial web services are also welcome, particularly if > individual developers can easily experiment with the services and > some technical insight into the APIs/services is provided. > > People are coming to these meetings on their personal time and are > looking for help in their day-to-day jobs, career growth, or > personal enrichment. As such, purely commercial talks given by > someone in sales or product management are generally not > appropriate for BayPiggies. For grey areas, we will raise the talk > subject on the BayPiggies mailing list to gauge the level of interest. > > > Let me know if you have any suggested edits. If this works for > everyone, I will use this as a guideline when interacting with > potential speakers. There's a specific talk I have in mind - I can > show this to the proposed speakers and ask them how they will fit in > with our guidelines. > > Thanks! > - Jeff > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/fa85eaca/attachment.html> From shortdudey123 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 15:30:28 2016 From: shortdudey123 at gmail.com (Grant Ridder) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:30:28 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers] Volunteers needed for tomorrow's meeting In-Reply-To: <CAPFNg_3ZW-_37NFW4Wq8ZsxumrU0zO+VweKPPMoSqyjXkaauBg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPFNg_3ZW-_37NFW4Wq8ZsxumrU0zO+VweKPPMoSqyjXkaauBg@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2992BFAE-196A-48E4-BA22-FC852F5C7540@gmail.com> Will grab the count again :) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Jeff Fischer <jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > This month's meeting is tomorrow evening at LinkedIn. Matt Savage is giving the talk on Virtual Reality and I will be MC'ing. As usual, we could use some more volunteers to make sure everything runs smoothly. I think we need the following: > A few people to sit near the back of the room and act as "greeters" before the meeting. The idea is to make sure any new people (or people looking a little lost) feel welcome. > A few people to take turns grabbing any stragglers after the meeting has started. I think the security guard goes away around 8, so we'll need to let people in ourselves. > > Please feel free to step up and volunteer for anything else I missed. > > Let me know if you can help out. We appreciate it! > > Thanks! > > - Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is my attempt to summarize the > feedback: > > *Commercial Talks at BayPiggies* > Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, many talks focus > on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to achieve > something useful. We are also interested in how people are using Python, > even in closed source environments, if they are in an interesting problem > space, solving some unique challenges, or in other ways providing helpful > technical content relevant beyond a specific product. Talks about using > Python APIs to major commercial web services are also welcome, particularly > if individual developers can easily experiment with the services and some > technical insight into the APIs/services is provided. > > People are coming to these meetings on their personal time and are looking > for help in their day-to-day jobs, career growth, or personal enrichment. > As such, purely commercial talks given by someone in sales or product > management are generally not appropriate for BayPiggies. For grey areas, we > will raise the talk subject on the BayPiggies mailing list to gauge the > level of interest. > > > Let me know if you have any suggested edits. If this works for everyone, I > will use this as a guideline when interacting with potential speakers. > There's a specific talk I have in mind - I can show this to the proposed > speakers and ask them how they will fit in with our guidelines. > > Thanks! > - Jeff > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing listBaypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/de2ff722/attachment.html> From blytherocks at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 16:45:25 2016 From: blytherocks at gmail.com (Blythe Cairnes) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 13:45:25 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies Digest, Vol 125, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <mailman.871.1458765357.2243.baypiggies@python.org> References: <mailman.871.1458765357.2243.baypiggies@python.org> Message-ID: <CABptw2_1m+p-EJd3A-bqAKT8XGgH+G6bs8jL6HnvUo9Z9kZKnw@mail.gmail.com> I'll help greet again, check with security to see how long they'll stay at the door downstairs, and anything else that comes up! - Blythe *-----------------------------------* *Blythe Cairnes* Data Blog @ Positronic Lab <http://positroniclab.com> Audio Portfolio @ Positronic Bliss <http://positronicbliss.com> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:35 PM, <baypiggies-request at python.org> wrote: > Send Baypiggies mailing list submissions to > baypiggies at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > baypiggies-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > baypiggies-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Baypiggies digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? > (Jeff Fischer) > 2. Re: Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? > (jim) > 3. [Organizers] Volunteers needed for tomorrow's meeting > (Jeff Fischer) > 4. Re: [Organizers] Volunteers needed for tomorrow's meeting > (Grant Ridder) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 09:32:00 -0700 > From: Jeff Fischer <jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com> > To: Baypiggies <baypiggies at python.org> > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at > BayPiggies meetings? > Message-ID: > <CAPFNg_1H+DKN7tsGApGC1EngcgucFox2GmbXvkpoa= > 3Co_bj2g at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks to everyone for your feedback on your interest in commercial talks. > I appreciate your insightful comments! Here is my attempt to summarize the > feedback: > > *Commercial Talks at BayPiggies* > Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, many talks focus on > how to use various Python-based open source libraries to achieve something > useful. We are also interested in how people are using Python, even in > closed source environments, if they are in an interesting problem space, > solving some unique challenges, or in other ways providing helpful > technical content relevant beyond a specific product. Talks about using > Python APIs to major commercial web services are also welcome, particularly > if individual developers can easily experiment with the services and some > technical insight into the APIs/services is provided. > > People are coming to these meetings on their personal time and are looking > for help in their day-to-day jobs, career growth, or personal enrichment. > As such, purely commercial talks given by someone in sales or product > management are generally not appropriate for BayPiggies. For grey areas, we > will raise the talk subject on the BayPiggies mailing list to gauge the > level of interest. > > > Let me know if you have any suggested edits. If this works for everyone, I > will use this as a guideline when interacting with potential speakers. > There's a specific talk I have in mind - I can show this to the proposed > speakers and ask them how they will fit in with our guidelines. > > Thanks! > - Jeff > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/9782235e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 17:08:18 +0000 > From: jim <jim at well.com> > To: baypiggies at python.org > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at > BayPiggies meetings? > Message-ID: <56F2CD82.2040506 at well.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > > +1 > > On 03/23/2016 04:32 PM, Jeff Fischer wrote: > > Thanks to everyone for your feedback on your interest in commercial > > talks. I appreciate your insightful comments! Here is my attempt to > > summarize the feedback: > > > > *Commercial Talks at BayPiggies* > > Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, many talks > > focus on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to > > achieve something useful. We are also interested in how people are > > using Python, even in closed source environments, if they are in > > an interesting problem space, solving some unique challenges, or > > in other ways providing helpful technical content relevant beyond > > a specific product. Talks about using Python APIs to major > > commercial web services are also welcome, particularly if > > individual developers can easily experiment with the services and > > some technical insight into the APIs/services is provided. > > > > People are coming to these meetings on their personal time and are > > looking for help in their day-to-day jobs, career growth, or > > personal enrichment. As such, purely commercial talks given by > > someone in sales or product management are generally not > > appropriate for BayPiggies. For grey areas, we will raise the talk > > subject on the BayPiggies mailing list to gauge the level of > interest. > > > > > > Let me know if you have any suggested edits. If this works for > > everyone, I will use this as a guideline when interacting with > > potential speakers. There's a specific talk I have in mind - I can > > show this to the proposed speakers and ask them how they will fit in > > with our guidelines. > > > > Thanks! > > - Jeff > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/c5f8f701/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 10:53:05 -0700 > From: Jeff Fischer <jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com> > To: Baypiggies <baypiggies at python.org> > Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers] Volunteers needed for tomorrow's > meeting > Message-ID: > < > CAPFNg_3ZW-_37NFW4Wq8ZsxumrU0zO+VweKPPMoSqyjXkaauBg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi everyone, > This month's meeting is tomorrow evening at LinkedIn. Matt Savage is > giving the talk on Virtual Reality and I will be MC'ing. As usual, we could > use some more volunteers to make sure everything runs smoothly. I think we > need the following: > > - A few people to sit near the back of the room and act as "greeters" > before the meeting. The idea is to make sure any new people (or people > looking a little lost) feel welcome. > - A few people to take turns grabbing any stragglers after the meeting > has started. I think the security guard goes away around 8, so we'll > need > to let people in ourselves. > > > Please feel free to step up and volunteer for anything else I missed. > > Let me know if you can help out. We appreciate it! > > Thanks! > > - Jeff > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/fa85eaca/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:30:28 -0700 > From: Grant Ridder <shortdudey123 at gmail.com> > To: Jeff Fischer <jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com> > Cc: Baypiggies <baypiggies at python.org> > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] [Organizers] Volunteers needed for > tomorrow's meeting > Message-ID: <2992BFAE-196A-48E4-BA22-FC852F5C7540 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Will grab the count again :) > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 23, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Jeff Fischer <jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > This month's meeting is tomorrow evening at LinkedIn. Matt Savage is > giving the talk on Virtual Reality and I will be MC'ing. As usual, we could > use some more volunteers to make sure everything runs smoothly. I think we > need the following: > > A few people to sit near the back of the room and act as "greeters" > before the meeting. The idea is to make sure any new people (or people > looking a little lost) feel welcome. > > A few people to take turns grabbing any stragglers after the meeting has > started. I think the security guard goes away around 8, so we'll need to > let people in ourselves. > > > > Please feel free to step up and volunteer for anything else I missed. > > > > Let me know if you can help out. We appreciate it! > > > > Thanks! > > > > - Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/6e51f2fc/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > ------------------------------ > > End of Baypiggies Digest, Vol 125, Issue 18 > ******************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/1ec755c6/attachment-0001.html> From shortdudey123 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 17:03:25 2016 From: shortdudey123 at gmail.com (Grant Ridder) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 14:03:25 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: <CAH_m2YK=qtsK6sQh=fL0Kneghe346YAZEyfwhn22EHtbXRpAiw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPFNg_2Gfds7_mncG8nkvzU7vstkwbOrQOeUAWTdU+UJ03F+Ww@mail.gmail.com> <b2211734-9f5b-374b-1d42-565b91c19874@noir.com> <56EC3E67.9010807@well.com> <56EC5728.3050908@well.com> <CAPFNg_1H+DKN7tsGApGC1EngcgucFox2GmbXvkpoa=3Co_bj2g@mail.gmail.com> <56F2CD82.2040506@well.com> <CAH_m2YK=qtsK6sQh=fL0Kneghe346YAZEyfwhn22EHtbXRpAiw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAPiURgXJx8G0DsxY+zk=VQFAS1+hAhWd=W_4AwZeJaJD0qK0yw@mail.gmail.com> +1 On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:40 PM, William Deegan <bdbaddog at gmail.com> wrote: > +1 > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:08 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> On 03/23/2016 04:32 PM, Jeff Fischer wrote: >> >> Thanks to everyone for your feedback on your interest in commercial >> talks. I appreciate your insightful comments! Here is my attempt to >> summarize the feedback: >> >> *Commercial Talks at BayPiggies* >> Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, many talks focus >> on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to achieve >> something useful. We are also interested in how people are using Python, >> even in closed source environments, if they are in an interesting problem >> space, solving some unique challenges, or in other ways providing helpful >> technical content relevant beyond a specific product. Talks about using >> Python APIs to major commercial web services are also welcome, particularly >> if individual developers can easily experiment with the services and some >> technical insight into the APIs/services is provided. >> >> People are coming to these meetings on their personal time and are >> looking for help in their day-to-day jobs, career growth, or personal >> enrichment. As such, purely commercial talks given by someone in sales or >> product management are generally not appropriate for BayPiggies. For grey >> areas, we will raise the talk subject on the BayPiggies mailing list to >> gauge the level of interest. >> >> >> Let me know if you have any suggested edits. If this works for everyone, >> I will use this as a guideline when interacting with potential speakers. >> There's a specific talk I have in mind - I can show this to the proposed >> speakers and ask them how they will fit in with our guidelines. >> >> Thanks! >> - Jeff >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing listBaypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/10b466a5/attachment.html> From rich at noir.com Wed Mar 23 20:44:33 2016 From: rich at noir.com (K Richard Pixley) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 17:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: <CAPFNg_1H+DKN7tsGApGC1EngcgucFox2GmbXvkpoa=3Co_bj2g@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPFNg_2Gfds7_mncG8nkvzU7vstkwbOrQOeUAWTdU+UJ03F+Ww@mail.gmail.com> <b2211734-9f5b-374b-1d42-565b91c19874@noir.com> <56EC3E67.9010807@well.com> <56EC5728.3050908@well.com> <CAPFNg_1H+DKN7tsGApGC1EngcgucFox2GmbXvkpoa=3Co_bj2g@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4964092e-0e4b-869d-0fca-935c958e353b@noir.com> I like it. --rich On 20160323 09:32, Jeff Fischer wrote: > Thanks to everyone for your feedback on your interest in commercial > talks. I appreciate your insightful comments! Here is my attempt to > summarize the feedback: > > *Commercial Talks at BayPiggies* > Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, many talks > focus on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to > achieve something useful. We are also interested in how people are > using Python, even in closed source environments, if they are in > an interesting problem space, solving some unique challenges, or > in other ways providing helpful technical content relevant beyond > a specific product. Talks about using Python APIs to major > commercial web services are also welcome, particularly if > individual developers can easily experiment with the services and > some technical insight into the APIs/services is provided. > > People are coming to these meetings on their personal time and are > looking for help in their day-to-day jobs, career growth, or > personal enrichment. As such, purely commercial talks given by > someone in sales or product management are generally not > appropriate for BayPiggies. For grey areas, we will raise the talk > subject on the BayPiggies mailing list to gauge the level of interest. > > > Let me know if you have any suggested edits. If this works for > everyone, I will use this as a guideline when interacting with > potential speakers. There's a specific talk I have in mind - I can > show this to the proposed speakers and ask them how they will fit in > with our guidelines. > > Thanks! > - Jeff > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/e038d6fa/attachment.html> From shortdudey123 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 21:12:23 2016 From: shortdudey123 at gmail.com (Grant Ridder) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:12:23 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: <4964092e-0e4b-869d-0fca-935c958e353b@noir.com> References: <CAPFNg_2Gfds7_mncG8nkvzU7vstkwbOrQOeUAWTdU+UJ03F+Ww@mail.gmail.com> <b2211734-9f5b-374b-1d42-565b91c19874@noir.com> <56EC3E67.9010807@well.com> <56EC5728.3050908@well.com> <CAPFNg_1H+DKN7tsGApGC1EngcgucFox2GmbXvkpoa=3Co_bj2g@mail.gmail.com> <4964092e-0e4b-869d-0fca-935c958e353b@noir.com> Message-ID: <4B376F68-1691-477F-A3F7-860F876FF7C7@gmail.com> Should this be posted somewhere on the website for reference? Grant Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:44 PM, K Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com> wrote: > > I like it. > > --rich > >> On 20160323 09:32, Jeff Fischer wrote: >> Thanks to everyone for your feedback on your interest in commercial talks. I appreciate your insightful comments! Here is my attempt to summarize the feedback: >> >> Commercial Talks at BayPiggies >> Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, many talks focus on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to achieve something useful. We are also interested in how people are using Python, even in closed source environments, if they are in an interesting problem space, solving some unique challenges, or in other ways providing helpful technical content relevant beyond a specific product. Talks about using Python APIs to major commercial web services are also welcome, particularly if individual developers can easily experiment with the services and some technical insight into the APIs/services is provided. >> >> People are coming to these meetings on their personal time and are looking for help in their day-to-day jobs, career growth, or personal enrichment. As such, purely commercial talks given by someone in sales or product management are generally not appropriate for BayPiggies. For grey areas, we will raise the talk subject on the BayPiggies mailing list to gauge the level of interest. >> >> >> Let me know if you have any suggested edits. If this works for everyone, I will use this as a guideline when interacting with potential speakers. There's a specific talk I have in mind - I can show this to the proposed speakers and ask them how they will fit in with our guidelines. >> >> Thanks! >> - Jeff >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/02ed26d4/attachment-0001.html> From kd at karend.net Wed Mar 23 22:10:08 2016 From: kd at karend.net (Karen Dalton) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:10:08 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thoughts on the commercial talks at BayPiggies meetings? In-Reply-To: <CAPFNg_1H+DKN7tsGApGC1EngcgucFox2GmbXvkpoa=3Co_bj2g@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPFNg_2Gfds7_mncG8nkvzU7vstkwbOrQOeUAWTdU+UJ03F+Ww@mail.gmail.com> <b2211734-9f5b-374b-1d42-565b91c19874@noir.com> <56EC3E67.9010807@well.com> <56EC5728.3050908@well.com> <CAPFNg_1H+DKN7tsGApGC1EngcgucFox2GmbXvkpoa=3Co_bj2g@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79C4B8ED-6641-479F-919E-5A1093CC3597@karend.net> +1 Excellent synthesis of the items people discussed. -Karen > On Mar 23, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Jeff Fischer <jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks to everyone for your feedback on your interest in commercial talks. I appreciate your insightful comments! Here is my attempt to summarize the feedback: > > Commercial Talks at BayPiggies > Since Python is part of a larger Open Source ecosystem, many talks focus on how to use various Python-based open source libraries to achieve something useful. We are also interested in how people are using Python, even in closed source environments, if they are in an interesting problem space, solving some unique challenges, or in other ways providing helpful technical content relevant beyond a specific product. Talks about using Python APIs to major commercial web services are also welcome, particularly if individual developers can easily experiment with the services and some technical insight into the APIs/services is provided. > > People are coming to these meetings on their personal time and are looking for help in their day-to-day jobs, career growth, or personal enrichment. As such, purely commercial talks given by someone in sales or product management are generally not appropriate for BayPiggies. For grey areas, we will raise the talk subject on the BayPiggies mailing list to gauge the level of interest. > > > Let me know if you have any suggested edits. If this works for everyone, I will use this as a guideline when interacting with potential speakers. There's a specific talk I have in mind - I can show this to the proposed speakers and ask them how they will fit in with our guidelines. > > Thanks! > - Jeff > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160323/47952816/attachment.html> From jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 17:15:16 2016 From: jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com (Jeff Fischer) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 14:15:16 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers] Volunteers needed for tomorrow's meeting In-Reply-To: <CAPFNg_3ZW-_37NFW4Wq8ZsxumrU0zO+VweKPPMoSqyjXkaauBg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPFNg_3ZW-_37NFW4Wq8ZsxumrU0zO+VweKPPMoSqyjXkaauBg@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAPFNg_3Pi2e66pvnkwOaZPpfKnssHk6GGKZqRE9ymFxUE2Gcsg@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to Grant, Blythe, and Neil for volunteering to help out tonight. See everyone there! - Jeff On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Jeff Fischer <jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > This month's meeting is tomorrow evening at LinkedIn. Matt Savage is > giving the talk on Virtual Reality and I will be MC'ing. As usual, we could > use some more volunteers to make sure everything runs smoothly. I think we > need the following: > > - A few people to sit near the back of the room and act as "greeters" > before the meeting. The idea is to make sure any new people (or people > looking a little lost) feel welcome. > - A few people to take turns grabbing any stragglers after the meeting > has started. I think the security guard goes away around 8, so we'll need > to let people in ourselves. > > > Please feel free to step up and volunteer for anything else I missed. > > Let me know if you can help out. We appreciate it! > > Thanks! > > - Jeff > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160324/855e99ef/attachment.html> From kd at karend.net Fri Mar 25 01:13:44 2016 From: kd at karend.net (Karen Dalton) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 22:13:44 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Talk attendance numbers for 2016 In-Reply-To: <CAPiURgVTMk3AACjdkb-n01oj7r_LcHDd9BYnyNFV9M4dkT-RgA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPiURgVTMk3AACjdkb-n01oj7r_LcHDd9BYnyNFV9M4dkT-RgA@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BC330FD2-81F6-4F4E-ABA8-47140CA1346D@karend.net> I attended but wasn't asked to check in in any way (but I was a little late)...I was just told to go upstairs. If there was a check-in procedure, and some of us didn't check in, could the numbers for tonight be a little off? It felt like there were a good number of people present when I arrived. -Karen > On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Grant Ridder <shortdudey123 at gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > Here is the count of how many people attended the talks so far this year > > DATE - ATTENDED (YES'S ON MEETUP.COM) > > Jan 28 - 105 (110) > Feb 25 - 140 (308) > Mar 24 - 60 (181) > Apr 28 - > May 26 - > Jun 23 - > Jul 28 - > Aug 25 - > Sep 22 - > Oct 27 - > > > -Grant > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160324/cb001fd0/attachment.html> From glen at glenjarvis.com Fri Mar 25 10:46:49 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 07:46:49 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Talk attendance numbers for 2016 In-Reply-To: <CAPiURgVTMk3AACjdkb-n01oj7r_LcHDd9BYnyNFV9M4dkT-RgA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPiURgVTMk3AACjdkb-n01oj7r_LcHDd9BYnyNFV9M4dkT-RgA@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CA+UBrj7NciYgUVV0COZB6rqx+9tCNymtYs+L=vo4Tf7iwNH5Zg@mail.gmail.com> Slight correction, these numbers for "YES" on MeetUp can be adjusted by attendance after the fact. For example, We had almost 300 YESs in January. But, when I was given the attendance number (I thought 110), I told MeetUp how many people attended. This "attendance" reflects reality and not the people who sign up. About 1/3 to 2/3 of the people who sign up actually attend (and they aren't always the same people who signed up :) So, a "YES" of around 300 is about perfect for us -- it gets us close to filling the room. If you adjust the 110 back to the 298 (if I remember right), the numbers and ratio is about like this: 105 / 298 = 35% 140 / 308 = 45% 60 / 181 = 33% Cheers, Glen > DATE - ATTENDED (YES'S ON MEETUP.COM) > > Jan 28 - 105 (110) > Feb 25 - 140 (308) > Mar 24 - 60 (181) > Apr 28 - > May 26 - > Jun 23 - > Jul 28 - > Aug 25 - > Sep 22 - > Oct 27 - > > > -Grant > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. --Alan Turing +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Jeff On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Karen Dalton <kd at karend.net> wrote: > I attended but wasn't asked to check in in any way (but I was a little > late)...I was just told to go upstairs. > > If there was a check-in procedure, and some of us didn't check in, could > the numbers for tonight be a little off? It felt like there were a good > number of people present when I arrived. > > -Karen > > On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Grant Ridder <shortdudey123 at gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > Here is the count of how many people attended the talks so far this year > > DATE - ATTENDED (YES'S ON MEETUP.COM) > > Jan 28 - 105 (110) > Feb 25 - 140 (308) > Mar 24 - 60 (181) > Apr 28 - > May 26 - > Jun 23 - > Jul 28 - > Aug 25 - > Sep 22 - > Oct 27 - > > > -Grant > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This "attendance" reflects reality and not the > people who sign up. About 1/3 to 2/3 of the people who sign up actually > attend (and they aren't always the same people who signed up :) > > So, a "YES" of around 300 is about perfect for us -- it gets us close to > filling the room. > > If you adjust the 110 back to the 298 (if I remember right), the numbers > and ratio is about like this: > > 105 / 298 = 35% > 140 / 308 = 45% > 60 / 181 = 33% > > Cheers, > > > Glen > > >> DATE - ATTENDED (YES'S ON MEETUP.COM) >> >> Jan 28 - 105 (110) >> Feb 25 - 140 (308) >> Mar 24 - 60 (181) >> Apr 28 - >> May 26 - >> Jun 23 - >> Jul 28 - >> Aug 25 - >> Sep 22 - >> Oct 27 - >> >> >> -Grant >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > > -- > > Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. > > --Alan Turing > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160325/35248d58/attachment.html> From glen at glenjarvis.com Fri Mar 25 19:16:41 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thanks for your talk! In-Reply-To: <CAPFNg_0oVCvOOYKCNSWwjji=Z7rUJGZKQU4w5egeXpZ6eHFidw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPFNg_0oVCvOOYKCNSWwjji=Z7rUJGZKQU4w5egeXpZ6eHFidw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CA+UBrj6d+SnW+im7J2YJCLak9mNx6zRQgqUC6mKaTVKaNDUEuw@mail.gmail.com> And, thank you, Jeff, for doing such a great job organizing all of this. You rock! :) G On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Jeff Fischer <jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com> wrote: > Matt, > Thanks for your talk last night. I found it very interesting, and learned > a bit about the process of making a VR app. I also learned you need a > pretty beefy machine if you want to run Unity3d. :-) > > Thanks as well to everyone who attended last night. 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URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160325/285870a7/attachment-0001.html> From psam1304 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 19:33:48 2016 From: psam1304 at gmail.com (Phu Sam) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:33:48 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Thanks for your talk! In-Reply-To: <1458924939828.467657012@boxbe> References: <1458924939828.467657012@boxbe> Message-ID: <CANjxQ6wgzh0vLhsKcRqWyPTtimoyo6OWZw=_W2gAYONoxifYRw@mail.gmail.com> Great talk Matt. I really enjoyed it. Lots of potential Apps with this. Cheers, Phu On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Jeff Fischer <jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com> wrote: > [image: Boxbe] <https://www.boxbe.com/overview> This message is eligible > for Automatic Cleanup! 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It was great to see > you. > > - Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160325/79b51dfc/attachment.html> From chityala at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 12:15:32 2016 From: chityala at gmail.com (Ravi) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 09:15:32 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Two Python course at UCSC Extension in San Jose Message-ID: <CAPzmboKk_JR_cgwHAvh9jq+hS0Pwa7EfddQ9nU-n40fpFfUC+w@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, Two identical Python courses are being offered at the UCSC Extension in San Jose during the Spring term. Both the courses will cover the most important aspects of Python such as functions, object oriented programming, decorators, generators etc. and will be very hands-on with in-class activities and homework. We will also provide IPython notebook that will contain many examples. You can choose to take one of the course according to your schedule. The first course starts on April 4, 2016 and ends on June 13, 2016 and will be held every Monday from 6:30-9:30 pm. To register for this section visit *http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5278063 <http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5278063>* The second course starts on April 19, 2016 and ends on June 21, 2016 and will be held every Tuesday from 6:30-9:30 pm. To register for this section visit http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5278064 UCSC Extension is accredited by various bodies through the University of California, Santa Cruz. Hence, many employers will reimburse the cost of the course. Join now to become a Pythonista and program in one of the fastest growing language. You can email me at chityala at gmail.com if you have any questions. Thanks, Regards Ravi Chityala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160328/f50851a3/attachment.html> From mdavis2 at ucsc.edu Thu Mar 31 12:30:48 2016 From: mdavis2 at ucsc.edu (Marilyn Davis) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 09:30:48 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Two Python course at UCSC Extension in San Jose In-Reply-To: <CAPzmboKk_JR_cgwHAvh9jq+hS0Pwa7EfddQ9nU-n40fpFfUC+w@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAPzmboKk_JR_cgwHAvh9jq+hS0Pwa7EfddQ9nU-n40fpFfUC+w@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAMDjdqyoarm2k=zyqBJaS6niPJA=vuR3W0gKEiLN9LdSJWhQEw@mail.gmail.com> And a third UCSC course is available online! You can register and get started now, or anytime before April 12. http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277661 I hope to see you online to study Python together! Marilyn Davis On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Ravi <chityala at gmail.com> wrote: > Hello All, > > Two identical Python courses are being offered at the UCSC Extension in > San Jose during the Spring term. Both the courses will cover the most > important aspects of Python such as functions, object oriented programming, > decorators, generators etc. and will be very hands-on with in-class > activities and homework. We will also provide IPython notebook that will > contain many examples. You can choose to take one of the course according > to your schedule. > > The first course starts on April 4, 2016 and ends on June 13, 2016 and > will be held every Monday from 6:30-9:30 pm. To register for this section > visit *http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5278063 > <http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5278063>* > > > The second course starts on April 19, 2016 and ends on June 21, 2016 and > will be held every Tuesday from 6:30-9:30 pm. To register for this > section visit > http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5278064 > > UCSC Extension is accredited by various bodies through the University of > California, Santa Cruz. Hence, many employers will reimburse the cost of > the course. Join now to become a Pythonista and program in one of the > fastest growing language. > > You can email me at chityala at gmail.com if you have any questions. > > Thanks, > > > Regards > Ravi Chityala > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20160331/f0836be0/attachment.html>