From rodrigc at FreeBSD.org  Mon Nov  2 16:36:31 2015
From: rodrigc at FreeBSD.org (Craig Rodrigues)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:36:31 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Alternatives to Python Fabric for SSH remote
 execution for Python 3?
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Joshua Harlow <harlowja at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or
>
> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/plumbum
>
>
>
Thank you for the pointer to this.  I downloaded this package and tried it
out.
While it does work, I found the plumbum API to be a bit clunky compared to
Fabric.
Also, for my use-case, plumbum kept failing until I installed sshpass, a
package independent of plumbum.
That wasn't too bad, but I still found it clunky.

So I have to agree with Tiejun Li, that Fabric is better.

So it's not the best solution, but what I am going to do for new projects
that I work on is either:
   (1) stick with Python 2.7 + Fabric when I want to have things work "out
of the box"
   (2) for environments where I have more flexibily, use Python 3, and run
a patched version
         of Fabric using this patchset:
https://github.com/fabric/fabric/issues/1378
   (3) if I am totally in a bind, I will use plumbum

I've actually done (2), and while not ideal, it actually works quite well.

Thank you!

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Craig
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From rodrigc at FreeBSD.org  Mon Nov 16 19:16:08 2015
From: rodrigc at FreeBSD.org (Craig Rodrigues)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:16:08 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python 3 and swig help for m2crypto?
Message-ID: <CAG=rPVfwi557MC5fvY-+YYbBDLOEVZOseMvpvns-gm+vr3LzPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

As part of a learning exercise for porting a moderately complex package
from Python 2 to Python 3, I picked the m2crypto package.

I have made good progress so far, and have pushed various fixes upstream
to the m2crypto maintainer who has accepted them:

https://gitlab.com/m2crypto/m2crypto/commits/master

I am now having problems with swig and imports.

If I do the following to create a python 3.5 virtualenv to build and test
the module:

pyvenv-3.5 mcrypto-test
cd mcrypto-test
. bin/activate
git clone https://gitlab.com/m2crypto/m2crypto.git
cd m2crypto
python setup.py build
python setup.py install
python setup.py test

All the steps succeed except for the last step, which gives me an
exception (see attached backtrace).

If I do the same steps on Python 2.7, I don't get those errors.
I suspect that this has to do with swig and imports.
I have swig 2.0 installed.

Can someone point me in the direction where I can solve this?
Thanks.

--
Craig
https://linkedin.com/in/rodrigc
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]0;rodrigc at rodrigc-laptop1: /usr/home/rodrigc/m2crypto-test/m2crypto(m2crypto-test) [rodrigc at rodrigc-laptop1 m2crypto]% python setup.py test
/usr/home/rodrigc/m2crypto-test/lib/python3.5/site-packages/setuptools/dist.py:285: UserWarning: Normalizing '0.22.6.rc3' to '0.22.6rc3'
  normalized_version,
running test
running egg_info
writing dependency_links to M2Crypto.egg-info/dependency_links.txt
writing M2Crypto.egg-info/PKG-INFO
writing top-level names to M2Crypto.egg-info/top_level.txt
reading manifest file 'M2Crypto.egg-info/SOURCES.txt'
reading manifest template 'MANIFEST.in'
warning: no files found matching '*.dat' under directory 'tests'
warning: no files found matching '*.p7*' under directory 'tests'
warning: no previously-included files found matching 'M2Crypto/_m2crypto.py'
writing manifest file 'M2Crypto.egg-info/SOURCES.txt'
running build_ext
copying build/lib.freebsd-10.2-PRERELEASE-amd64-3.5/M2Crypto/__m2crypto.so -> M2Crypto
copying build/lib.freebsd-10.2-PRERELEASE-amd64-3.5/M2Crypto/_m2crypto.py -> M2Crypto
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "setup.py", line 153, in <module>
    cmdclass={'build_ext': _M2CryptoBuildExt}
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/distutils/core.py", line 148, in setup
    dist.run_commands()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/distutils/dist.py", line 955, in run_commands
    self.run_command(cmd)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/distutils/dist.py", line 974, in run_command
    cmd_obj.run()
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/m2crypto-test/lib/python3.5/site-packages/setuptools/command/test.py", line 142, in run
    self.with_project_on_sys_path(self.run_tests)
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/m2crypto-test/lib/python3.5/site-packages/setuptools/command/test.py", line 122, in with_project_on_sys_path
    func()
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/m2crypto-test/lib/python3.5/site-packages/setuptools/command/test.py", line 163, in run_tests
    testRunner=self._resolve_as_ep(self.test_runner),
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/main.py", line 93, in __init__
    self.parseArgs(argv)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/main.py", line 140, in parseArgs
    self.createTests()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/main.py", line 147, in createTests
    self.module)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/loader.py", line 219, in loadTestsFromNames
    suites = [self.loadTestsFromName(name, module) for name in names]
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/loader.py", line 219, in <listcomp>
    suites = [self.loadTestsFromName(name, module) for name in names]
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/loader.py", line 204, in loadTestsFromName
    test = obj()
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/m2crypto-test/m2crypto/tests/alltests.py", line 6, in suite
    from M2Crypto import m2
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/m2crypto-test/m2crypto/M2Crypto/__init__.py", line 22, in <module>
    import _m2crypto
ImportError: No module named '_m2crypto'

From fahhem at google.com  Mon Nov 16 19:57:41 2015
From: fahhem at google.com (Fahrzin Hemmati)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 00:57:41 +0000
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python 3 and swig help for m2crypto?
In-Reply-To: <CAG=rPVfwi557MC5fvY-+YYbBDLOEVZOseMvpvns-gm+vr3LzPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVfwi557MC5fvY-+YYbBDLOEVZOseMvpvns-gm+vr3LzPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1447721862661-ddfa3465-fcbabc8d-b0fdc363@mixmax.com>

I'm not sure, but maybe converting that to a relative import ?import ._m2crypto?
or ?from . import _m2crypto? might fix it, but only for python 3. Maybe running
a specific incantation of 2to3 against the file in the build step?

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Craig Rodrigues < rodrigc at freebsd.org > wrote:
Hi,

As part of a learning exercise for porting a moderately complex package
from Python 2 to Python 3, I picked the m2crypto package.

I have made good progress so far, and have pushed various fixes upstream
to the m2crypto maintainer who has accepted them:

https://gitlab.com/m2crypto/ m2crypto/commits/master

I am now having problems with swig and imports.

If I do the following to create a python 3.5 virtualenv to build and test
the module:

pyvenv-3.5 mcrypto-test
cd mcrypto-test
. bin/activate
git clone https://gitlab.com/m2crypto/ m2crypto.git
cd m2crypto
python setup.py build
python setup.py install
python setup.py test

All the steps succeed except for the last step, which gives me an
exception (see attached backtrace).

If I do the same steps on Python 2.7, I don't get those errors.
I suspect that this has to do with swig and imports.
I have swig 2.0 installed.

Can someone point me in the direction where I can solve this?
Thanks.

--
Craig
https://linkedin.com/in/ rodrigc

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From rodrigc at FreeBSD.org  Wed Nov 18 00:12:47 2015
From: rodrigc at FreeBSD.org (Craig Rodrigues)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 21:12:47 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python 3 and swig help for m2crypto?
In-Reply-To: <1447721862661-ddfa3465-fcbabc8d-b0fdc363@mixmax.com>
References: <CAG=rPVfwi557MC5fvY-+YYbBDLOEVZOseMvpvns-gm+vr3LzPw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAG=rPVd-8-oMvNH-bpT0qqeOeGUKf=SKrqxSKZxdbQXNW3mmmA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I did the following:
(1)  Read "PEP 0328 -- Imports: Multi-Line and Absolute/Relative"  (
https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0328/ ) a few times.

(2)  Ran "2to3 -f import M2Crypto" to generate a list of places to which
needed fixing of the imports

(3)  Applied the patch from (2), and also added "from __future__ import
absolute_import" to all the files
       that I touched.  This brings in the PEP 328 behavior which is
default in Python 3, back to Python 2.

(4)  I tested out this patch:
https://gitlab.com/rodrigc/m2crypto/commit/4e5937ac
       Under Python 2.7, the tests passed.

However, I tested the code under Python 3, and got the attached error.
It turns out that the Python C API has changed between Python 2 and Python
3.
So, Python code which uses the C API (such as M2Crypto) needs to be ported.
(!!)
     https://docs.python.org/3/howto/cporting.html

--
Craig

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Fahrzin Hemmati <fahhem at google.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure, but maybe converting that to a relative import ?import
> ._m2crypto? or ?from . import _m2crypto? might fix it, but only for python
> 3. Maybe running a specific incantation of 2to3 against the file in the
> build step?
>
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Script started on Tue Nov 17 21:09:51 2015
command: python setup.py test
/usr/home/rodrigc/astrenv/lib/python3.5/site-packages/setuptools/dist.py:285: UserWarning: Normalizing '0.22.6.rc3' to '0.22.6rc3'
  normalized_version,
running test
running egg_info
writing M2Crypto.egg-info/PKG-INFO
writing dependency_links to M2Crypto.egg-info/dependency_links.txt
writing top-level names to M2Crypto.egg-info/top_level.txt
reading manifest file 'M2Crypto.egg-info/SOURCES.txt'
reading manifest template 'MANIFEST.in'
writing manifest file 'M2Crypto.egg-info/SOURCES.txt'
running build_ext
copying build/lib.freebsd-10.2-PRERELEASE-amd64-3.5/M2Crypto/__m2crypto.so -> M2Crypto
copying build/lib.freebsd-10.2-PRERELEASE-amd64-3.5/M2Crypto/_m2crypto.py -> M2Crypto
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "setup.py", line 153, in <module>
    cmdclass={'build_ext': _M2CryptoBuildExt}
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/distutils/core.py", line 148, in setup
    dist.run_commands()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/distutils/dist.py", line 955, in run_commands
    self.run_command(cmd)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/distutils/dist.py", line 974, in run_command
    cmd_obj.run()
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/astrenv/lib/python3.5/site-packages/setuptools/command/test.py", line 146, in run
    self.with_project_on_sys_path(self.run_tests)
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/astrenv/lib/python3.5/site-packages/setuptools/command/test.py", line 127, in with_project_on_sys_path
    func()
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/astrenv/lib/python3.5/site-packages/setuptools/command/test.py", line 167, in run_tests
    testRunner=self._resolve_as_ep(self.test_runner),
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/main.py", line 93, in __init__
    self.parseArgs(argv)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/main.py", line 140, in parseArgs
    self.createTests()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/main.py", line 147, in createTests
    self.module)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/loader.py", line 219, in loadTestsFromNames
    suites = [self.loadTestsFromName(name, module) for name in names]
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/loader.py", line 219, in <listcomp>
    suites = [self.loadTestsFromName(name, module) for name in names]
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/unittest/loader.py", line 204, in loadTestsFromName
    test = obj()
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/2/m2crypto/tests/alltests.py", line 6, in suite
    from M2Crypto import m2
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/2/m2crypto/M2Crypto/__init__.py", line 24, in <module>
    from . import _m2crypto
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/2/m2crypto/M2Crypto/_m2crypto.py", line 28, in <module>
    __m2crypto = swig_import_helper()
  File "/usr/home/rodrigc/2/m2crypto/M2Crypto/_m2crypto.py", line 24, in swig_import_helper
    _mod = imp.load_module('__m2crypto', fp, pathname, description)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/imp.py", line 242, in load_module
    return load_dynamic(name, filename, file)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.5/imp.py", line 342, in load_dynamic
    return _load(spec)
ImportError: /usr/home/rodrigc/2/m2crypto/M2Crypto/__m2crypto.so: Undefined symbol "PyFile_Check"

Script done on Tue Nov 17 21:09:52 2015

From marvkausch at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 01:41:09 2015
From: marvkausch at gmail.com (Marv)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 22:41:09 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python 3 and swig help for m2crypto?
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References: <CAG=rPVfwi557MC5fvY-+YYbBDLOEVZOseMvpvns-gm+vr3LzPw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello All:
   After numerous attempts, I still have not become unsubscribed. Would someone please unsubscribe me? Thank you.




> On Nov 17, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc at FreeBSD.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I did the following:
> (1)  Read "PEP 0328 -- Imports: Multi-Line and Absolute/Relative"  ( https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0328/ ) a few times.
> 
> (2)  Ran "2to3 -f import M2Crypto" to generate a list of places to which needed fixing of the imports
> 
> (3)  Applied the patch from (2), and also added "from __future__ import absolute_import" to all the files
>        that I touched.  This brings in the PEP 328 behavior which is default in Python 3, back to Python 2.
> 
> (4)  I tested out this patch: https://gitlab.com/rodrigc/m2crypto/commit/4e5937ac
>        Under Python 2.7, the tests passed.
> 
> However, I tested the code under Python 3, and got the attached error.
> It turns out that the Python C API has changed between Python 2 and Python 3.
> So, Python code which uses the C API (such as M2Crypto) needs to be ported. (!!)
>      https://docs.python.org/3/howto/cporting.html
> 
> --
> Craig
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Fahrzin Hemmati <fahhem at google.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure, but maybe converting that to a relative import ?import ._m2crypto? or ?from . import _m2crypto? might fix it, but only for python 3. Maybe running a specific incantation of 2to3 against the file in the build step?
> <error.txt>
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From simeonf at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 11:04:31 2015
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:04:31 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python 3 and swig help for m2crypto?
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Marv <marvkausch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All:
>    After numerous attempts, I still have not become unsubscribed. Would
> someone please unsubscribe me? Thank you.
>

No idea why you've had trouble Marv but I've manually unsubscribed you.
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Nov 19 15:56:28 2015
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:56:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon schedule | Website Date Errors
Message-ID: <CA+UBrj6wqewrvGDP-43e4W_qzuxFQ47Q9LyjO2nJT=ztA-pdnQ@mail.gmail.com>

To anyone who knows someone at PyCon, the PyCon schedule at this link is
"wacky":

https://us.pycon.org/2016/schedule/



Logo: PyCon | Portland | May 28th - June 5th


Conference Overview schedule:

Wed, Apr 8
Thr, Apr 9
Fri, Apr 10
Sat, Apr 11
Sun, Apr 12
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From guido at python.org  Thu Nov 19 16:08:52 2015
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:08:52 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon schedule | Website Date Errors
In-Reply-To: <CA+UBrj6wqewrvGDP-43e4W_qzuxFQ47Q9LyjO2nJT=ztA-pdnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj6wqewrvGDP-43e4W_qzuxFQ47Q9LyjO2nJT=ztA-pdnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7+vJKncMYc126ssBvpHxQ5k8ftOP_9WXn8mb33X8QV76T1OQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've passed this on to the conference chair (Brandon Rhodes). But can
you still repro it? I could, and then I couldn't. Maybe it was a cache
issue or push delay?

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> To anyone who knows someone at PyCon, the PyCon schedule at this link is
> "wacky":
>
> https://us.pycon.org/2016/schedule/
>
>
>
> Logo: PyCon | Portland | May 28th - June 5th
>
>
> Conference Overview schedule:
>
> Wed, Apr 8
> Thr, Apr 9
> Fri, Apr 10
> Sat, Apr 11
> Sun, Apr 12
>
>
>
>
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From bitsink at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 16:13:48 2015
From: bitsink at gmail.com (Nam Nguyen)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:13:48 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon schedule | Website Date Errors
In-Reply-To: <CAP7+vJKncMYc126ssBvpHxQ5k8ftOP_9WXn8mb33X8QV76T1OQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj6wqewrvGDP-43e4W_qzuxFQ47Q9LyjO2nJT=ztA-pdnQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAP7+vJKncMYc126ssBvpHxQ5k8ftOP_9WXn8mb33X8QV76T1OQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANG+ZTP4d-xc+X0wWYUKccdq_xxmbGD5NShF8Eeq9GMnvGCOFg@mail.gmail.com>

Still showing April for me.
Nam

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:
> I've passed this on to the conference chair (Brandon Rhodes). But can
> you still repro it? I could, and then I couldn't. Maybe it was a cache
> issue or push delay?
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>> To anyone who knows someone at PyCon, the PyCon schedule at this link is
>> "wacky":
>>
>> https://us.pycon.org/2016/schedule/
>>
>>
>>
>> Logo: PyCon | Portland | May 28th - June 5th
>>
>>
>> Conference Overview schedule:
>>
>> Wed, Apr 8
>> Thr, Apr 9
>> Fri, Apr 10
>> Sat, Apr 11
>> Sun, Apr 12
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Nov 19 15:56:57 2015
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:56:57 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon schedule | Website Date Errors
In-Reply-To: <CA+UBrj6wqewrvGDP-43e4W_qzuxFQ47Q9LyjO2nJT=ztA-pdnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj6wqewrvGDP-43e4W_qzuxFQ47Q9LyjO2nJT=ztA-pdnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+UBrj6n9=FkJYXeD6oE6JkhbevaLT13vCcPHswiq92WafzPWQ@mail.gmail.com>

If this screenshot helps:

[image: Inline image 1]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> To anyone who knows someone at PyCon, the PyCon schedule at this link is
> "wacky":
>
> https://us.pycon.org/2016/schedule/
>
>
>
> Logo: PyCon | Portland | May 28th - June 5th
>
>
> Conference Overview schedule:
>
> Wed, Apr 8
> Thr, Apr 9
> Fri, Apr 10
> Sat, Apr 11
> Sun, Apr 12
>
>
>
>


-- 

Machines take me by surprise with great frequency.

--Alan Turing

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From guido at python.org  Thu Nov 19 16:25:52 2015
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:25:52 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon schedule | Website Date Errors
In-Reply-To: <CA+UBrj6n9=FkJYXeD6oE6JkhbevaLT13vCcPHswiq92WafzPWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj6wqewrvGDP-43e4W_qzuxFQ47Q9LyjO2nJT=ztA-pdnQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+UBrj6n9=FkJYXeD6oE6JkhbevaLT13vCcPHswiq92WafzPWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7+vJ+av+jzLBAHiUT-ThnC6fvvf+MsBuHo+DcJzjex2mu8xA@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, but is there a way to navigate to that page starting at
us.pycon.org/2016/ ?

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> If this screenshot helps:
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>
>> To anyone who knows someone at PyCon, the PyCon schedule at this link is
>> "wacky":
>>
>> https://us.pycon.org/2016/schedule/
>>
>>
>>
>> Logo: PyCon | Portland | May 28th - June 5th
>>
>>
>> Conference Overview schedule:
>>
>> Wed, Apr 8
>> Thr, Apr 9
>> Fri, Apr 10
>> Sat, Apr 11
>> Sun, Apr 12
>>
>>
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>
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> Machines take me by surprise with great frequency.
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From mdavis2 at ucsc.edu  Mon Nov 23 15:59:26 2015
From: mdavis2 at ucsc.edu (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:59:26 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Class Next Week -- And An Online Class Starting
Message-ID: <CAMDjdqy3Prwsv6RX-+iRyfhDgmW=-u5Lq59Xr5thpJzq3xdFug@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pythonistas,

We have a "Python for Programmers" retreat-style class next week, 9-5, Nov.
30, Dec 1, 2, & 3, at our lab at UCSC-Extension in Santa Clara, right
across the 101 from the Great America sign:

http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277312

This class is for programmers who are already well-experienced in some
other language.  No beginning programmers please, but you can certainly be
new to Python.

If you are a bit rusty at programming, you might be more comfortable in an
evening course that meets once a week so you have some time to absorb the
concepts.  You'll find those at the same url.

Also, there are online classes.  This one:

http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277312

officially starts on Dec 15 but you can start today and have a head start.
The online classes allow you plenty of time to complete the material, and
I'll be there encouraging you and answering your questions.

----
All our Python courses are hands-on with short lectures, and lots of
relevent exercises, and, we study the solutions after some lab time.

Questions are always welcome; discussion and pair-programming are
encouraged.

Please come, and send students!

---

And, the first quarter of the professional course is available for $20 at
Udemy.Com!  I'm so busy that I can't say when the rest of the course will
be there, but I'm working on it, and part ii is close to ready:

https://www.udemy.com/pythonic-python-part-i-the-basics/

I hope you find one of these classes useful to your schedule and your taste.

Marilyn Davis, Ph.D.
Python Instructor
http:www.pythontrainer.com
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From betsy at python.org  Mon Nov 23 17:31:55 2015
From: betsy at python.org (Betsy Waliszewski)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:31:55 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon 2016 CFP Deadlines and Overview Info - BayPIGgies
Message-ID: <CAKMnukot0pPbH=J4NA8pXPrAdoGKx7bOkW_FakQvUuFcjW+kKg@mail.gmail.com>

Fellow Pythonistas and enthusiasts:

Roughly a week from today PyCon US 2016 *TUTORIALS* call for proposals will
close. To be precise, we'll close the system at 2015-11-30 23:59 GMT
-12:00. For more information, please check out
https://us.pycon.org/2016/speaking/tutorials/
<https://www.evernote.com/OutboundRedirect.action?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fus.pycon.org%2F2016%2Fspeaking%2Ftutorials%2F>
.

A quick overview of PyCon 2016:

   - The conference (us.pycon.org) is for everyone interested in Python!
   Registration is open[1].
   - May 28?29 - Two days of Tutorials
   - May 30-June 1 - Three days of Conference
   - June 2-5 - Four days of Sprints
   - Tutorial proposals[2] due in one week, on November 30.
   - Talk and poster proposals[3] due on January 3.
   - The 3 main conference days also include lunch, a vendor expo hall,
   free-form Open Spaces, lightning talks, and a job fair!
   - Childcare will be available.
   - Sponsorships are still available![4]


Check us out on Twitter[5] and our blog[6]!

Best wishes -
PyCon 2016 Staff

[1]  https://us.pycon.org/2016/registration/
[2] https://us.pycon.org/2016/speaking/tutorials/
[3] https://us.pycon.org/2016/speaking/talks/
[4] https://us.pycon.org/2016/sponsors/prospectus/
<https://www.evernote.com/OutboundRedirect.action?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fus.pycon.org%2F2016%2Fsponsors%2Fprospectus%2F>
[5] https://twitter.com/pycon
[6] http://pycon.blogspot.com/

-- 
Betsy Waliszewski
Python Software Foundation
Event Coordinator / Administrator
@betswaliszewski
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From dleak at tci-la.com  Tue Nov 24 18:58:49 2015
From: dleak at tci-la.com (David Leak)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 23:58:49 +0000
Subject: [Baypiggies] REMOTE WORK / FULL TIME PERM EMPLOYEE - $125K TO $140K
 BASE SALARY / FULL STACK WEB DEV.
Message-ID: <SN1PR0601MB1567BA8E95142564A0C719EE8C060@SN1PR0601MB1567.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Work from home 75% of the time.
One week a month from Monday through Thursday the new hire will get a paid flight and paid room & board
Full Time Permanent Employee - Direct Hire
Base Salary Range: $125 - $140k, maybe more for a stud.
LOCATION: NASHVILLE, TN (Again, just Mon - Thurs, for one week out of the month.)
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CONTACT: DAVID LEAK | DLEAK at TCI-LA.COM<mailto:DLEAK at TCI-LA.COM> | [chrome-extension://lifbcibllhkdhoafpjfnlhfpfgnpldfl/call_skype_logo.png] 310-873-5878
Join the leading civic engagement platform developed to revolutionize the way citizens identify and engage on issues they care most about! This impressive startup is seeking a Full-stack Web Developer of Strategic Analytics to enable teams across the company to access the data they need to be successful.
Who are we looking for?

  *   The ideal teammate is a JavaScript and Python Software Engineer who can write incredibly efficient data visualizations in JavaScript powered by RESTful services in a data-intensive environment.
  *   Full-stack developer who knows how to create robust, high-volume production applications and can develop working prototypes quickly.
Skills & Requirements:

  *   BS degree in Computer Science or equivalent experience
  *   7+ years experience developing services in Python
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 20:39:55 2015
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 07:09:55 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] [OT] OpenStack
Message-ID: <CAN7tdFTcObMc+grzUi-FyMK2orYc=m2RjD1rCnOgio-8csnX3g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Friends,

I am doing an academic project on understanding the Alliance dynamics in
The OpenStack Foundation and was wondering if anyone from our Python
community is related to it or can put me in touch with someone higher up in
any org who is related to managing alliances or is in the decision making
process in this engagement. I have a set of 10 Qs which can be either
answered on email or over a quick call.

Sorry to trouble all, but time is of the essence as I need inputs/feedback
by Wed end-of-day, and hence had to drop in a note here :)

Regards,
Venkat
@venkasub <http://about.me/venkasub>
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From Web at StevePiercy.com  Mon Nov 30 08:49:54 2015
From: Web at StevePiercy.com (Steve Piercy - Website Builder)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:49:54 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Santa Cruz Python Meetup
Message-ID: <r471Ps-1085i-2578EF3E1BE1426CA1217E0B87896C7B@stevepi-mbp.local>

Santa Cruz Python Meetup

Random Number Challenge (prize from JetBrains); Pyramid Blogr Tutorial
http://www.meetup.com/Santa-Cruz-Python/events/226718694/

When:
Tuesday, December 8, 2015
7:00 PM

Where:
Cruzio, Atrium Classroom
877 Cedar Street
Santa Cruz, CA

Event details:
The next meetup of Santa Cruz Python will be held in the Atrium 
Classroom of Cruzio, located at 877 Cedar Street, Santa Cruz, CA.

Regular monthly Santa Cruz Python meetups are held on the second 
Tuesday of the month at Cruzio.

We are looking for additional presenters of Python topics. A 
presentation can consist of slides, a code walk through, demo, 
tutorial, or even interpretive dance.  Please email Steve 
(web at stevepiercy.com) or Chris (cklippi at gmail.com).

We are seeking potential sponsors for food, tasty beverages, or 
room rental fees. Please refer sponsors to Chris or Steve.

=====================SPONSORS=====================

Through a generous grant from the Python Software Foundation, 
our first six months of room rental fees are paid, so that we 
can deliver our program to Santa Cruz County. The PSF is a 
501(c)(3) non-profit organization that promotes, protects, and 
advances the Python programming language and community. The PSF 
is supported by its members, donors, volunteers, and sponsors. 
Please contribute to support the PSF and its mission.
-----------------------------------

JetBrains is a technology-leading software development firm 
specializing in the creation of intelligent, 
productivity-enhancing software. JetBrains offers Santa Cruz 
Python Meetup attendees free PyCharm licenses as prizes.

=====================PROGRAM=====================

Subject to change, particularly for more volunteer presenters.

Announcements: 7:00 - 7:15 PM
-----------------------------------
Programming Challenge: 7:15 - 7:45 PM
Create a random number generator, win a PyCharm license

Abstract:Create a random number generator in Python and share 
your project on any public repository before the start of the 
meetup.  The project must accept two inputs of type integer: 
minimum and maximum.  It must return a random integer between 
the minimum and maximum values, inclusive.  The project can use 
any user interface.  Projects will be judged by their true 
randomness, creativity, and other qualities.  The best random 
number generator as chosen by attendees will be used to select 
the winner of a drawing for a free PyCharm Professional for user 
groups license, valid for 90 days.

Emcee:Steve Piercy
-----------------------------------
Tutorial: 7:45 - 8:30 PMMake your own blog with pyramid_blogr

Abstract:Steve Piercy will lead participants through 
pyramid_blogr, a tutorial inspired by the Flaskr tutorial.  It 
is intended to introduce basic concepts of the Pyramid Web 
Framework and web application development in general.  Ambitious 
participants may find missing features, and learn to submit pull 
requests to enhance the open source project.

Bio:Steve Piercy is a frequent contributor to the Pylons Project 
projects, including the Pyramid web framework.  He recently 
overhauled the original pyramid_blogr tutorial by Marcin Lulek. 
Steve has been a web application developer since 1997, and 
embraced Python and Pyramid in 2011 after attending his first PyCon.
-----------------------------------
Open Forum: 8:30 PM - 8:55 PM
-----------------------------------
PyCharm license drawing: 8:55 PM
-----------------------------------
Doors close: 9:00 PM. Walk to L?pulo Craft Beer House, 233 
Cathcart Street, Santa Cruz for tasty food and adult beverages.

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Steve Piercy              Website Builder              Soquel, CA
<web at StevePiercy.com>               <http://www.StevePiercy.com/>