From marvkausch at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 02:44:45 2014
From: marvkausch at gmail.com (Marv Kausch)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:44:45 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello. I'm a new subscriber. Would you please direct
	me to...
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Would you please direct me to assistance to get Python running on a 32 bit
Vista laptop?
Thank you.
Marv
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From tony at tcapp.com  Fri Oct  3 03:00:23 2014
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:00:23 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello. I'm a new subscriber. Would you please
 direct me to...
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Sorry, Marv.
The browser made your name look like Mary to me.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Marv Kausch <marvkausch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Would you please direct me to assistance to get Python running on a 32 bit
> Vista laptop?
> Thank you.
> Marv
>
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From tony at tcapp.com  Fri Oct  3 02:59:06 2014
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:59:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello. I'm a new subscriber. Would you please
 direct me to...
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Mary

You will need to decide whether to install Python 2.7 or python 3.4.1

If you need to maintain compatibility with software running Python 2.7,
then download the 32 bit installer  for Python 2.7.8
If not, download and install the Python 3.4.1 installer.

https://www.python.org/downloads/windows/

You may also want to consider installing the Python Win32 package, which
gives you Python
access to the Windows API, but it's not a requirement.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/pywin32/files/pywin32/Build%20219/

You **may** need to run these installers as Administrator on Vista.



On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Marv Kausch <marvkausch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Would you please direct me to assistance to get Python running on a 32 bit
> Vista laptop?
> Thank you.
> Marv
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Oct  5 03:01:28 2014
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 18:01:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] who owns the new Meetup group?
In-Reply-To: <A508822C-60F1-4144-8D3E-B7AE3E2C2881@glenjarvis.com>
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 <A508822C-60F1-4144-8D3E-B7AE3E2C2881@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <20141005010128.GA25495@panix.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
> The answer is "BayPIGgies does." Basically, I have been donating space
> and traffic from the Silicon Valley Meetup group. It seems hugely
> successful.
>
> So, I opened this meetup account (group share credentials). And my
> company, Glen Jarvis, LLC, donated six months of MeetUp fees for
> BayPIGgies.

Your donation is certainly welcome, but FYI I believe the PSF (Python
Software Foundation) now covers MeetUp fees for groups if you ask.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"It is easier to optimize correct code than to correct optimized code."
--Bill Harlan

From lazhao123 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 08:33:30 2014
From: lazhao123 at gmail.com (Lawrence Zhao)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:33:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for Python study group
Message-ID: <CAHW6pmeCSQ1TAvOZAjp9ecJcE2-yQfbEg_Ch-MC7HxaTRPAkCA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there anyone interested in forming a study group for python in
South/East bay? So we can discuss issues, code reviews or working on small
projects together. I want to speed up the learning process. Please send me
message if you are interested.

Thanks
Lawrence
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From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 05:34:43 2014
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:34:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Unusual unit test behavior on OSX
Message-ID: <CABRXM4=5GS7i9r=ECriu+6bjrNBvKRoS7zG-U1Uwygqefg7vtA@mail.gmail.com>

 Hello Everyone,


When I ran this unit test that I wrote

http://pastebin.com/YxZH4RHR

I'm seeing some very unusual output that I can't explain.

This is the output.

Record #  1, ;180000FFEEDDCCBBAA0099887766554433221122334455667788990AFC
Record #  2, ;180218778E4017203C02A20C8E4217A2318E4017203C02A20E8E420717
.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ran 1 test in 0.000s

OK
Record #  3, ;180230EA65ED65EE85E9A204B5E995EACA10F938E999B0E8A5EB290FE8


I only have one test method defined at the moment.
It looks like two iterations are occurring as expected,
and the last occurs much later.

Why do all three iterations not happen before the unit test framework
displays "Ran 1 test in 0.000s" ?

Thanks
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From nanshu at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 06:02:40 2014
From: nanshu at gmail.com (Nanshu Chen)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:02:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Unusual unit test behavior on OSX
In-Reply-To: <CABRXM4=5GS7i9r=ECriu+6bjrNBvKRoS7zG-U1Uwygqefg7vtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRXM4=5GS7i9r=ECriu+6bjrNBvKRoS7zG-U1Uwygqefg7vtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHbhFBj77F_wcqK7zSPE1_+mOYeKr3TbCxA0uURMH_X8aP25Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Add sys.stdout.flush() after your print, or replace print with sys.stderr.write.



On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hello Everyone,
>
>
> When I ran this unit test that I wrote
>
> http://pastebin.com/YxZH4RHR
>
> I'm seeing some very unusual output that I can't explain.
>
> This is the output.
>
> Record #  1, ;180000FFEEDDCCBBAA0099887766554433221122334455667788990AFC
> Record #  2, ;180218778E4017203C02A20C8E4217A2318E4017203C02A20E8E420717
> .
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ran 1 test in 0.000s
>
> OK
> Record #  3, ;180230EA65ED65EE85E9A204B5E995EACA10F938E999B0E8A5EB290FE8
>
>
> I only have one test method defined at the moment.
> It looks like two iterations are occurring as expected,
> and the last occurs much later.
>
> Why do all three iterations not happen before the unit test framework
> displays "Ran 1 test in 0.000s" ?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 06:07:42 2014
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:07:42 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Unusual unit test behavior on OSX
In-Reply-To: <CAHbhFBj77F_wcqK7zSPE1_+mOYeKr3TbCxA0uURMH_X8aP25Wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRXM4=5GS7i9r=ECriu+6bjrNBvKRoS7zG-U1Uwygqefg7vtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHbhFBj77F_wcqK7zSPE1_+mOYeKr3TbCxA0uURMH_X8aP25Wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRXM4nr5ivzw9OHVB6UQwB+d4BeqkCs+o4_kCgmxsEavrM_=A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Nanshu.

That does make the unit test output look like what I would expect.

Record #  1, ;180000FFEEDDCCBBAA0099887766554433221122334455667788990AFC
Record #  2, ;180218778E4017203C02A20C8E4217A2318E4017203C02A20E8E420717
Record #  3, ;180230EA65ED65EE85E9A204B5E995EACA10F938E999B0E8A5EB290FE8.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ran 1 test in 0.000s

OK

I've never had any issues like this with unit test before.


On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Nanshu Chen <nanshu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Add sys.stdout.flush() after your print, or replace print with
> sys.stderr.write.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >  Hello Everyone,
> >
> >
> > When I ran this unit test that I wrote
> >
> > http://pastebin.com/YxZH4RHR
> >
> > I'm seeing some very unusual output that I can't explain.
> >
> > This is the output.
> >
> > Record #  1, ;180000FFEEDDCCBBAA0099887766554433221122334455667788990AFC
> > Record #  2, ;180218778E4017203C02A20C8E4217A2318E4017203C02A20E8E420717
> > .
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Ran 1 test in 0.000s
> >
> > OK
> > Record #  3, ;180230EA65ED65EE85E9A204B5E995EACA10F938E999B0E8A5EB290FE8
> >
> >
> > I only have one test method defined at the moment.
> > It looks like two iterations are occurring as expected,
> > and the last occurs much later.
> >
> > Why do all three iterations not happen before the unit test framework
> > displays "Ran 1 test in 0.000s" ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From guido at python.org  Wed Oct 29 06:40:59 2014
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:40:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Unusual unit test behavior on OSX
In-Reply-To: <CABRXM4nr5ivzw9OHVB6UQwB+d4BeqkCs+o4_kCgmxsEavrM_=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRXM4=5GS7i9r=ECriu+6bjrNBvKRoS7zG-U1Uwygqefg7vtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHbhFBj77F_wcqK7zSPE1_+mOYeKr3TbCxA0uURMH_X8aP25Wg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRXM4nr5ivzw9OHVB6UQwB+d4BeqkCs+o4_kCgmxsEavrM_=A@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Tony,

It's because of the trailing comma in your  print statement. Stdout only
gets flushed when a \n is written. You probably didn't notice this because
the print statement *starts* with \n. (Where did you pick up that habit?)

--Guido

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Nanshu.
>
> That does make the unit test output look like what I would expect.
>
> Record #  1, ;180000FFEEDDCCBBAA0099887766554433221122334455667788990AFC
> Record #  2, ;180218778E4017203C02A20C8E4217A2318E4017203C02A20E8E420717
> Record #  3, ;180230EA65ED65EE85E9A204B5E995EACA10F938E999B0E8A5EB290FE8.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ran 1 test in 0.000s
>
> OK
>
> I've never had any issues like this with unit test before.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Nanshu Chen <nanshu at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nanshu at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Add sys.stdout.flush() after your print, or replace print with
>> sys.stderr.write.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cappy2112 at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>> >  Hello Everyone,
>> >
>> >
>> > When I ran this unit test that I wrote
>> >
>> > http://pastebin.com/YxZH4RHR
>> >
>> > I'm seeing some very unusual output that I can't explain.
>> >
>> > This is the output.
>> >
>> > Record #  1, ;180000FFEEDDCCBBAA0099887766554433221122334455667788990AFC
>> > Record #  2, ;180218778E4017203C02A20C8E4217A2318E4017203C02A20E8E420717
>> > .
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Ran 1 test in 0.000s
>> >
>> > OK
>> > Record #  3, ;180230EA65ED65EE85E9A204B5E995EACA10F938E999B0E8A5EB290FE8
>> >
>> >
>> > I only have one test method defined at the moment.
>> > It looks like two iterations are occurring as expected,
>> > and the last occurs much later.
>> >
>> > Why do all three iterations not happen before the unit test framework
>> > displays "Ran 1 test in 0.000s" ?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Baypiggies at python.org');>
>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>

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From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 06:48:49 2014
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:48:49 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Unusual unit test behavior on OSX
In-Reply-To: <CAP7+vJ+3bYzDB0ra0C+hKguw8aXDx6rQRoP7G4Pov_UsRuUmBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRXM4=5GS7i9r=ECriu+6bjrNBvKRoS7zG-U1Uwygqefg7vtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHbhFBj77F_wcqK7zSPE1_+mOYeKr3TbCxA0uURMH_X8aP25Wg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABRXM4nr5ivzw9OHVB6UQwB+d4BeqkCs+o4_kCgmxsEavrM_=A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAP7+vJ+3bYzDB0ra0C+hKguw8aXDx6rQRoP7G4Pov_UsRuUmBg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for pointing that out Guido.

>>Where did you pick up that habit?

>From maintaining code (non-Python) that doesn't always print a trailing \n.
We use several proprietary scripting languages where I work, and they all
use different conventions.
Some of my work habits follow me home, and creep into my personal projects.



On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> It's because of the trailing comma in your  print statement. Stdout only
> gets flushed when a \n is written. You probably didn't notice this because
> the print statement *starts* with \n. (Where did you pick up that habit?)
>
> --Guido
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 28, 2014, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Nanshu.
>>
>> That does make the unit test output look like what I would expect.
>>
>> Record #  1, ;180000FFEEDDCCBBAA0099887766554433221122334455667788990AFC
>> Record #  2, ;180218778E4017203C02A20C8E4217A2318E4017203C02A20E8E420717
>> Record #  3, ;180230EA65ED65EE85E9A204B5E995EACA10F938E999B0E8A5EB290FE8.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Ran 1 test in 0.000s
>>
>> OK
>>
>> I've never had any issues like this with unit test before.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Nanshu Chen <nanshu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Add sys.stdout.flush() after your print, or replace print with
>>> sys.stderr.write.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >  Hello Everyone,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > When I ran this unit test that I wrote
>>> >
>>> > http://pastebin.com/YxZH4RHR
>>> >
>>> > I'm seeing some very unusual output that I can't explain.
>>> >
>>> > This is the output.
>>> >
>>> > Record #  1,
>>> ;180000FFEEDDCCBBAA0099887766554433221122334455667788990AFC
>>> > Record #  2,
>>> ;180218778E4017203C02A20C8E4217A2318E4017203C02A20E8E420717
>>> > .
>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > Ran 1 test in 0.000s
>>> >
>>> > OK
>>> > Record #  3,
>>> ;180230EA65ED65EE85E9A204B5E995EACA10F938E999B0E8A5EB290FE8
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I only have one test method defined at the moment.
>>> > It looks like two iterations are occurring as expected,
>>> > and the last occurs much later.
>>> >
>>> > Why do all three iterations not happen before the unit test framework
>>> > displays "Ran 1 test in 0.000s" ?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> --Guido van Rossum (on iPad)
>
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