From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Jan  2 15:59:22 2012
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon,  2 Jan 2012 09:59:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] REMINDER: OSCON Call for Proposals (deadline 1/12)
Message-ID: <20120102145922.8B9E3285AE@mailbackend.panix.com>

DEADLINE Thursday January 12

Ring in the Gnu year with a proposal for OSCON!

OSCON (O'Reilly Open Source Convention), the premier Open Source
gathering, will be held in Portland, OR July 16-20.  We're looking for
people to deliver tutorials and shorter presentations.

http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012
http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012/public/cfp/197

Hope to see you there!
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Do not taunt happy fun for loops. Do not change lists you are looping over."
--Remco Gerlich

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 02:30:14 2012
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:30:14 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Call for presenters for 2012
Message-ID: <CABRXM4nw2WfYYo+jx5SO_=CBDKPFmkAjLFYk4PWWjKpTgkO_Ow@mail.gmail.com>

Hello and Happy New Year Everyone!

I hope your holidays were happy and safe.


Our first meeting for 2012 is on January 26th, and as yet we do not have
anyone scheduled to give a presentation.

If you have a project you would like to talk about or suggest a topic for a
presentation, please post you comments
to the list.


Thanks


Tony
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From simeonf at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 03:49:04 2012
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:49:04 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Call for presenters for 2012
In-Reply-To: <CABRXM4nw2WfYYo+jx5SO_=CBDKPFmkAjLFYk4PWWjKpTgkO_Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRXM4nw2WfYYo+jx5SO_=CBDKPFmkAjLFYk4PWWjKpTgkO_Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK0d_Gr9dXpB9BQe687v47OCj0TuS36W=z25gHONxut69s2Fiw@mail.gmail.com>

Possibly relevant.
http://simeonfranklin.com/blog/2011/dec/23/calling-all-pycon-rejects/

We're also a great audience for a practice run-through of your accepted talk :)

-regards
Simeon Franklin


On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello and Happy New Year Everyone!
>
> I hope your holidays were happy and safe.
>
>
> Our first meeting for 2012 is on January 26th, and as yet we do not have
> anyone scheduled to give a presentation.
>
> If you have a project you would like to talk about or suggest a topic for a
> presentation, please post you comments
> to the list.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Tony
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Jan  3 18:30:40 2012
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:30:40 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Call for presenters for 2012
In-Reply-To: <CABRXM4nw2WfYYo+jx5SO_=CBDKPFmkAjLFYk4PWWjKpTgkO_Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRXM4nw2WfYYo+jx5SO_=CBDKPFmkAjLFYk4PWWjKpTgkO_Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2212F2DF-6D8E-4E5C-8801-3B96F7570787@glenjarvis.com>

Tony,

I'm working on a virtualization introduction talk discussing setting up an EC2 instance on Amazon and then installing virtualenv on that instance.

It's still in rough planning stage as in more of a beginner/intermediate level tutorial on how these things work. It may be too basic for the typical BayPIGgies talk. But, one would walk away knowing how to create an Amazon Virtual Instance for free (and how these things are similar/different from virtualenv).

Glen

On Jan 2, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Hello and Happy New Year Everyone!
> 
> I hope your holidays were happy and safe.
> 
> 
> Our first meeting for 2012 is on January 26th, and as yet we do not have anyone scheduled to give a presentation.
> 
> If you have a project you would like to talk about or suggest a topic for a presentation, please post you comments
> to the list.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Tony
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Jan  3 21:00:32 2012
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:00:32 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Call for presenters for 2012
In-Reply-To: <CAK0d_Gr9dXpB9BQe687v47OCj0TuS36W=z25gHONxut69s2Fiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRXM4nw2WfYYo+jx5SO_=CBDKPFmkAjLFYk4PWWjKpTgkO_Ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAK0d_Gr9dXpB9BQe687v47OCj0TuS36W=z25gHONxut69s2Fiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+UBrj67imkHLnVShkc5FVVV1i1jQ_9Sz9OzNAD4WWBYAK289g@mail.gmail.com>

+1 on Simeon giving his talk that he isn't presenting at PyCon.

G

On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Simeon Franklin <simeonf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Possibly relevant.
> http://simeonfranklin.com/blog/2011/dec/23/calling-all-pycon-rejects/
>
> We're also a great audience for a practice run-through of your accepted
> talk :)
>
> -regards
> Simeon Franklin
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello and Happy New Year Everyone!
> >
> > I hope your holidays were happy and safe.
> >
> >
> > Our first meeting for 2012 is on January 26th, and as yet we do not have
> > anyone scheduled to give a presentation.
> >
> > If you have a project you would like to talk about or suggest a topic
> for a
> > presentation, please post you comments
> > to the list.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From tony at tcapp.com  Tue Jan  3 21:49:07 2012
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:49:07 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Call for presenters for 2012
In-Reply-To: <2212F2DF-6D8E-4E5C-8801-3B96F7570787@glenjarvis.com>
References: <CABRXM4nw2WfYYo+jx5SO_=CBDKPFmkAjLFYk4PWWjKpTgkO_Ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<2212F2DF-6D8E-4E5C-8801-3B96F7570787@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <CABRXM4=a5hHS9w3GkX_dpGdWwjW7PFxL9z4tF3Vegrv-5fe8EA@mail.gmail.com>

When would you like to present this?

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> Tony,
>
> I'm working on a virtualization introduction talk discussing setting up an
> EC2 instance on Amazon and then installing virtualenv on that instance.
>
> It's still in rough planning stage as in more of a beginner/intermediate
> level tutorial on how these things work. It may be too basic for the
> typical BayPIGgies talk. But, one would walk away knowing how to create an
> Amazon Virtual Instance for free (and how these things are
> similar/different from virtualenv).
>
> Glen
>
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello and Happy New Year Everyone!
> >
> > I hope your holidays were happy and safe.
> >
> >
> > Our first meeting for 2012 is on January 26th, and as yet we do not have
> anyone scheduled to give a presentation.
> >
> > If you have a project you would like to talk about or suggest a topic
> for a presentation, please post you comments
> > to the list.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From tim.norman at dreamworks.com  Wed Jan  4 18:54:44 2012
From: tim.norman at dreamworks.com (Tim Norman)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:54:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Dreamworks Animation is looking for a Python Engineer
 to joint the Render Farm Resource team, , , 
Message-ID: <CAEjLVOYY2WgFqu_E25oxuDBMD1fjuxtbv7NWvW8rjZvCWesgYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, all.  Happy New Year!

Dreamworks Animation is looking for a Python Engineer for its Redwood City
animation studio to join its  Render Farm Resource team.


The R&D Farm Resource Management group is responsible for designing and
implementing software used in the production pipeline to create animated
feature films. We write software to define process dependency graphs,
submit those graphs to the studio's supercompute render farm, and monitor
and report on the farm.

As a software engineer on the farm resource management team, you will:
? Design, develop, test, and support software used to set up, submit, and
manage jobs on
           DreamWorks' supercompute render farm
 ? Help allocate and monitor the distribution of render resources across
productions and teams
? Work closely with production and other technology groups to maximize our
compute resources

Your software development experience must include:
? Extensive scripting in Python
? Programming in C++
 ? Object oriented experience
? SQL (Oracle) and relational database concepts
 ? Large software systems
? UNIX/Linux working environment

We also prefer experience with:
 ? Web standard protocols and applications (such as javascript, html,
Apache, XML)
? Reporting and data warehousing
 ? Condor or other DRM systems such as LSF, Grid or Qube
? Java and/or services
 ? AMQP messaging
If you are interested in discussing further, please email me your resume to
tim.norman at dreamworks.com.

Thanks and take care.

Tim-

Tim Norman
Recruiting at DreamWorks Animation
tim.norman at dreamworks.com
818 695 7801
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From corey.coughlin at comcast.net  Fri Jan  6 01:57:23 2012
From: corey.coughlin at comcast.net (corey.coughlin at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:57:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tricky dictionary iteration problem
In-Reply-To: <CABRXM4=a5hHS9w3GkX_dpGdWwjW7PFxL9z4tF3Vegrv-5fe8EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <138836346.453980.1325811443162.JavaMail.root@sz0049a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi all, 
Sorry to bug everybody, but I'm having some trouble with a somewhat tricky class I'm trying to make. I have a class that inherits from collections.OrderedDict, in an effort to create an ordered dictionary with some extra functions. Now what I'd like to do is to change the iteration so that when you iterate over it, it iterates over values instead of keys. This is turning out to be harder than I thought. First, I tried this: 

class od2(collections.OrderedDict): 
def __iter__(self): 
return iter(self.values()) 

Now the code I'm running creates a dict and tries to do a .copy on it, but I'd expect the problem to come up with most kind of dictionary access. The problem is that it goes into an infinite recursion with messages like this 

File "...", line 57, in __iter__ 
return iter(self.values()) 
File ".../python/2.7.1/linux64/lib/python2.7/_abcoll.py" line 372 in values 
return [self[key] for key in self] 

It looks like the values() function uses the iterator to generate the values. OK, so maybe I'll try this: 

class od2(collections.OrderedDict): 
def __iter__(self): 
values = [self[key] for key in self.keys()] 
return iter(values) 

that gives me messages like this: 

File "...", line 56, in __iter__ 
values = [self[key] for key in self.keys()] 
File ".../python/2.7.1/linux64/lib/python2.7/_abcoll.py" line 366 in keys 
return list(self) 

and list() uses the iterator. Gah. So I'm out of ideas here, even if I dig into OrderedDict and find some way to pull the keys out, I'll probably have to rewrite a bunch of access functions for it to still work like a dictionary. Am I just tilting at windmills, or is doing something like this actually possible? Or am I just being dense, and there's a super obvious way to do this? Thanks for any help! 

(Oh, and forgive me if there's a known fix for this, googling for anything along these lines just sent me to tons of tutorials about using the .values() function. No help there.) 

------- Corey 
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From rob at zuber.net  Fri Jan  6 02:22:14 2012
From: rob at zuber.net (Robert Zuber)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:22:14 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tricky dictionary iteration problem
In-Reply-To: <138836346.453980.1325811443162.JavaMail.root@sz0049a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <138836346.453980.1325811443162.JavaMail.root@sz0049a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F2AF0D64-A704-49D4-997C-5D815C7E5F75@zuber.net>

using super to avoid the recursion seems to work:

>>> class od2(collections.OrderedDict):
...     def __iter__(self):
...         return (v for v in super(collections.OrderedDict, self).itervalues())
... 
>>> od = od2()
>>> od['a'] = 'b'
>>> od['c'] = 'd'
>>> [v for v in od]
['b', 'd']



On Jan 5, 2012, at 4:57 PM, corey.coughlin at comcast.net wrote:

> Hi all,
>    Sorry to bug everybody, but I'm having some trouble with a somewhat tricky class I'm trying to make.  I have a class that inherits from collections.OrderedDict, in an effort to create an ordered dictionary with some extra functions.  Now what I'd like to do is to change the iteration so that when you iterate over it, it iterates over values instead of keys.  This is turning out to be harder than I thought.  First, I tried this:
> 
> class od2(collections.OrderedDict):
>     def __iter__(self):
>         return iter(self.values())
> 
> Now the code I'm running creates a dict and tries to do a .copy on it, but I'd expect the problem to come up with most kind of dictionary access.  The problem is that it goes into an infinite recursion with messages like this
> 
> File "...", line 57, in __iter__
>   return iter(self.values())
> File ".../python/2.7.1/linux64/lib/python2.7/_abcoll.py" line 372 in values
>   return [self[key] for key in self]
> 
> It looks like the values() function uses the iterator to generate the values.  OK, so maybe I'll try this:
> 
> class od2(collections.OrderedDict):
>     def __iter__(self):
>         values = [self[key] for key in self.keys()]
>         return iter(values)
> 
> that gives me messages like this:
> 
> File "...", line 56, in __iter__
>   values = [self[key] for key in self.keys()]
> File ".../python/2.7.1/linux64/lib/python2.7/_abcoll.py" line 366 in keys
>   return list(self)
> 
> and list() uses the iterator.  Gah.  So I'm out of ideas here, even if I dig into OrderedDict and find some way to pull the keys out, I'll probably have to rewrite a bunch of access functions for it to still work like a dictionary.  Am I just tilting at windmills, or is doing something like this actually possible?  Or am I just being dense, and there's a super obvious way to do this? Thanks for any help!
> 
> (Oh, and forgive me if there's a known fix for this, googling for anything along these lines just sent me to tons of tutorials about using the .values() function.  No help there.)
> 
>       ------- Corey
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
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From jason at mischievous.org  Fri Jan  6 02:23:26 2012
From: jason at mischievous.org (Jason Culverhouse)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:23:26 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tricky dictionary iteration problem
In-Reply-To: <138836346.453980.1325811443162.JavaMail.root@sz0049a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <138836346.453980.1325811443162.JavaMail.root@sz0049a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C490EEE8-680E-41A7-B1B8-FA64905B7A83@mischievous.org>


On Jan 5, 2012, at 4:57 PM, corey.coughlin at comcast.net wrote:

> Hi all,
>    Sorry to bug everybody, but I'm having some trouble with a somewhat tricky class I'm trying to make.  I have a class that inherits from collections.OrderedDict, in an effort to create an ordered dictionary with some extra functions.  Now what I'd like to do is to change the iteration so that when you iterate over it, it iterates over values instead of keys.  This is turning out to be harder than I thought.  First, I tried this:
> 
> class od2(collections.OrderedDict):
>     def __iter__(self):
>         return iter(self.values())

I know I'm confused about what you want to do here... perhaps a code sample would be better but I'm thinking you just want itervalues?
(An aside but I don't think anything happened along the lines of http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3106/ )

>>> import collections
>>> d = collections.OrderedDict([(1,'one'), (2, 'two'), (3, 'three'), (4, 'four')])
>>> d
OrderedDict([(1, 'one'), (2, 'two'), (3, 'three'), (4, 'four')])
>>> d.values()
['one', 'two', 'three', 'four']
>>> [v for v in d.itervalues()]
['one', 'two', 'three', 'four']

It would be quite confusing for one to write the following and not get anything but
>>> [k for k in d]
[1, 2, 3, 4]


> and list() uses the iterator.  Gah.  So I'm out of ideas here, even if I dig into OrderedDict and find some way to pull the keys out, I'll probably have to rewrite a bunch of access functions for it to still work like a dictionary.  Am I just tilting at windmills, or is doing something like this actually possible?  Or am I just being dense, and there's a super obvious way to do this? Thanks for any help!
> 
> (Oh, and forgive me if there's a known fix for this, googling for anything along these lines just sent me to tons of tutorials about using the .values() function.  No help there.)
> 
>       ------- Corey
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies


Jason


From corey.coughlin at comcast.net  Fri Jan  6 03:05:01 2012
From: corey.coughlin at comcast.net (corey.coughlin at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 02:05:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tricky dictionary iteration problem
In-Reply-To: <F2AF0D64-A704-49D4-997C-5D815C7E5F75@zuber.net>
Message-ID: <342758540.456660.1325815501562.JavaMail.root@sz0049a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thanks, that looks pretty good. It still fails doing a .copy(), so I'll have to rewrite that. And see what else I need to fix. 

As far as why I want to do it goes, well, I originally had an IndexedList class, which contained a list and a dictionary. All the objects in the list had a .reference string attribute, and it worked mostly like a list with an index on it. I wrote getitem to check the index to see if it were an integer or a string, and if it was a string use the dictionary reference for a fast look up of the object. The problem there is that it eats a lot of memory for big data sets, so I was looking at using an OrderedDict based object to emulate that behavior. Works pretty well, except that I need to change all my loops from: 
for obj in indexlist: 
to 
for obj in indexlist.values(): 
and that's kind of a pain. The simpler way to pull it off is to not inherit from OrderedDict, but just have an object attribute that holds an ordered dict and add all the mapping and iteration function calls manually. That works, but I was looking for a simpler way to do it. Looks like either way, I'll have to rewrite some functions. Thanks for the help! 

------- Corey 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Zuber" <rob at zuber.net> 
To: "corey coughlin" <corey.coughlin at comcast.net> 
Cc: baypiggies at python.org 
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 5:22:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Tricky dictionary iteration problem 

using super to avoid the recursion seems to work: 

>>> class od2(collections.OrderedDict): 
... def __iter__(self): 
... return (v for v in super(collections.OrderedDict, self).itervalues()) 
... 
>>> od = od2() 
>>> od['a'] = 'b' 
>>> od['c'] = 'd' 
>>> [v for v in od] 
['b', 'd'] 



On Jan 5, 2012, at 4:57 PM, corey.coughlin at comcast.net wrote: 

> Hi all, 
> Sorry to bug everybody, but I'm having some trouble with a somewhat tricky class I'm trying to make. I have a class that inherits from collections.OrderedDict, in an effort to create an ordered dictionary with some extra functions. Now what I'd like to do is to change the iteration so that when you iterate over it, it iterates over values instead of keys. This is turning out to be harder than I thought. First, I tried this: 
> 
> class od2(collections.OrderedDict): 
> def __iter__(self): 
> return iter(self.values()) 
> 
> Now the code I'm running creates a dict and tries to do a .copy on it, but I'd expect the problem to come up with most kind of dictionary access. The problem is that it goes into an infinite recursion with messages like this 
> 
> File "...", line 57, in __iter__ 
> return iter(self.values()) 
> File ".../python/2.7.1/linux64/lib/python2.7/_abcoll.py" line 372 in values 
> return [self[key] for key in self] 
> 
> It looks like the values() function uses the iterator to generate the values. OK, so maybe I'll try this: 
> 
> class od2(collections.OrderedDict): 
> def __iter__(self): 
> values = [self[key] for key in self.keys()] 
> return iter(values) 
> 
> that gives me messages like this: 
> 
> File "...", line 56, in __iter__ 
> values = [self[key] for key in self.keys()] 
> File ".../python/2.7.1/linux64/lib/python2.7/_abcoll.py" line 366 in keys 
> return list(self) 
> 
> and list() uses the iterator. Gah. So I'm out of ideas here, even if I dig into OrderedDict and find some way to pull the keys out, I'll probably have to rewrite a bunch of access functions for it to still work like a dictionary. Am I just tilting at windmills, or is doing something like this actually possible? Or am I just being dense, and there's a super obvious way to do this? Thanks for any help! 
> 
> (Oh, and forgive me if there's a known fix for this, googling for anything along these lines just sent me to tons of tutorials about using the .values() function. No help there.) 
> 
> ------- Corey 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Baypiggies mailing list 
> Baypiggies at python.org 
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From hcarrinski at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 07:21:54 2012
From: hcarrinski at gmail.com (Hy Carrinski)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 01:21:54 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tricky dictionary iteration problem
In-Reply-To: <342758540.456660.1325815501562.JavaMail.root@sz0049a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <-582841565785088966@unknownmsgid>

Here are a few brief thoughts and then documentation. I appreciate
consideration of the limits of writing a note rapidly on my mobile device.

1. I think it will be hard to develop maintainable clean code by
subclassing a dictionary to make it function like a dictionary but produce
alternate output.

2. When one opens IDLE and chooses "open module" from the "File" menu, one
can look at the collections module. Several of the methods of the
OrderedDict depend on __iter__() so overriding it may produce interesting
results (see info on subclassing in Python below).

3. In the collections module one can see the prevalence of yield
statements. An iterator rarely benefits from returning a list.

>From http://docs.python.org/tutorial/classes.html

"Derived classes may override methods of their base classes. Because
methods have no special privileges when calling other methods of the same
object, a method of a base class that calls another method defined in the
same base class may end up calling a method of a derived class that
overrides it."
For reference, here is an example of the __iter__ method being overridden.
Apologies for removing comments/license when transcribing Python 2.7 source.

def __iter__():
    NEXT, KEY = 1, 2
    root = self.__root
    curr = root[NEXT]
    while curr is not root:
        yield curr[KEY]
        curr = curr[NEXT]

Hope these opinions and information add to the dialog.

Hy

On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:06 PM, "corey.coughlin at comcast.net" <
corey.coughlin at comcast.net> wrote:

Thanks, that looks pretty good.  It still fails doing a .copy(), so I'll
have to rewrite that.  And see what else I need to fix.

As far as why I want to do it goes, well, I originally had an IndexedList
class, which contained a list and a dictionary.  All the objects in the
list had a .reference string attribute, and it worked mostly like a list
with an index on it.  I wrote getitem to check the index to see if it were
an integer or a string, and if it was a string use the dictionary reference
for a fast look up of the object.  The problem there is that it eats a lot
of memory for big data sets, so I was looking at using an OrderedDict based
object to emulate that behavior.  Works pretty well, except that I need to
change all my loops from:
for obj in indexlist:
to
for obj in indexlist.values():
and that's kind of a pain.  The simpler way to pull it off is to not
inherit from OrderedDict, but just have an object attribute that holds an
ordered dict and add all the mapping and iteration function calls
manually.  That works, but I was looking for a simpler way to do it.  Looks
like either way, I'll have to rewrite some functions.  Thanks for the help!

------- Corey

------------------------------
*From: *"Robert Zuber" <rob at zuber.net>
*To: *"corey coughlin" <corey.coughlin at comcast.net>
*Cc: *baypiggies at python.org
*Sent: *Thursday, January 5, 2012 5:22:14 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Baypiggies] Tricky dictionary iteration problem

using super to avoid the recursion seems to work:

>>> class od2(collections.OrderedDict):
...     def __iter__(self):
...         return (v for v in super(collections.OrderedDict,
self).itervalues())
...
>>> od = od2()
>>> od['a'] = 'b'
>>> od['c'] = 'd'
>>> [v for v in od]
['b', 'd']



On Jan 5, 2012, at 4:57 PM, corey.coughlin at comcast.net wrote:

> Hi all,
>    Sorry to bug everybody, but I'm having some trouble with a somewhat
tricky class I'm trying to make.  I have a class that inherits from
collections.OrderedDict, in an effort to create an ordered dictionary with
some extra functions.  Now what I'd like to do is to change the iteration
so that when you iterate over it, it iterates over values instead of keys.
 This is turning out to be harder than I thought.  First, I tried this:
>
> class od2(collections.OrderedDict):
>     def __iter__(self):
>         return iter(self.values())
>
> Now the code I'm running creates a dict and tries to do a .copy on it,
but I'd expect the problem to come up with most kind of dictionary access.
 The problem is that it goes into an infinite recursion with messages like
this
>
> File "...", line 57, in __iter__
>   return iter(self.values())
> File ".../python/2.7.1/linux64/lib/python2.7/_abcoll.py" line 372 in
values
>   return [self[key] for key in self]
>
> It looks like the values() function uses the iterator to generate the
values.  OK, so maybe I'll try this:
>
> class od2(collections.OrderedDict):
>     def __iter__(self):
>         values = [self[key] for key in self.keys()]
>         return iter(values)
>
> that gives me messages like this:
>
> File "...", line 56, in __iter__
>   values = [self[key] for key in self.keys()]
> File ".../python/2.7.1/linux64/lib/python2.7/_abcoll.py" line 366 in keys
>   return list(self)
>
> and list() uses the iterator.  Gah.  So I'm out of ideas here, even if I
dig into OrderedDict and find some way to pull the keys out, I'll probably
have to rewrite a bunch of access functions for it to still work like a
dictionary.  Am I just tilting at windmills, or is doing something like
this actually possible?  Or am I just being dense, and there's a super
obvious way to do this? Thanks for any help!
>
> (Oh, and forgive me if there's a known fix for this, googling for
anything along these lines just sent me to tons of tutorials about using
the .values() function.  No help there.)
>
>       ------- Corey
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Jan  9 16:19:09 2012
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon,  9 Jan 2012 10:19:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] FINAL REMINDER: OSCON Call for Proposals (deadline
	1/12)
Message-ID: <20120109151909.BB3E128420@mailbackend.panix.com>

DEADLINE Thursday January 12

OSCON (O'Reilly Open Source Convention), the premier Open Source
gathering, will be held in Portland, OR July 16-20.  We're looking for
people to deliver tutorials and shorter presentations.

http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012
http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012/public/cfp/197

Hope to see you there!
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Do not taunt happy fun for loops. Do not change lists you are looping over."
--Remco Gerlich

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 04:46:04 2012
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:16:04 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] [X-POST] Selenium Simple Test
Message-ID: <CAN7tdFTjKuAhcc6gJAtXfk2n2ytVVvPeQJLChWG1tRUhiqLjDA@mail.gmail.com>

This does look super-simple! Linky :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGPostUOAEI

-Venkat
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From viky.nandha at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 06:26:14 2012
From: viky.nandha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?4K614K6/4K6V4K+N4K6p4K+H4K634K+NIOCuqOCuqOCvjeCupCDgrpXgr4Hgrq7grr7grrA=?= =?UTF-8?B?4K+NIChWaWduZXNoIE5hbmRoYSBLdW1hcik=?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:56:14 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] [Ilugc] [X-POST] Selenium Simple Test
In-Reply-To: <CAN7tdFTjKuAhcc6gJAtXfk2n2ytVVvPeQJLChWG1tRUhiqLjDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7tdFTjKuAhcc6gJAtXfk2n2ytVVvPeQJLChWG1tRUhiqLjDA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This does look super-simple! Linky :
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGPostUOAEI
>

Wow! Sounds awesome :) Going to try it right away. Thanks.

-- 
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From simeonf at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 21:33:36 2012
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:33:36 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] This seemed appropriate after our discussion of
 Pythonic and Un-pythonic last month
Message-ID: <CAK0d_GoZVQJq=6wEzboB06yQoQY1ek3gXF-p+0jGPfSZRi5eeA@mail.gmail.com>

http://python-for-humans.heroku.com/#1

Has anyone else read through this? The basic premise is that much of
stdlib and supporting tools (installers, packaging, etc) is
un-pythonic.

The author wrote the Requests package and having used it I am tempted
to agree with regard to urllib/urllib2. I haven't yet used his
replacement packate but have experienced pain with subprocess. I don't
think I agree about etree being horrid - did anybody more experienced
have contrary thoughts?

-regards
Simeon Franklin

From mark.voorhies at ucsf.edu  Wed Jan 11 22:55:04 2012
From: mark.voorhies at ucsf.edu (Mark Voorhies)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:55:04 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] This seemed appropriate after our discussion of
 Pythonic and Un-pythonic last month
In-Reply-To: <CAK0d_GoZVQJq=6wEzboB06yQoQY1ek3gXF-p+0jGPfSZRi5eeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK0d_GoZVQJq=6wEzboB06yQoQY1ek3gXF-p+0jGPfSZRi5eeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201201111355.05165.mark.voorhies@ucsf.edu>

On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:33:36 pm Simeon Franklin wrote:
> http://python-for-humans.heroku.com/#1
> 
> Has anyone else read through this? The basic premise is that much of
> stdlib and supporting tools (installers, packaging, etc) is
> un-pythonic.
> 
> The author wrote the Requests package and having used it I am tempted
> to agree with regard to urllib/urllib2. I haven't yet used his
> replacement packate but have experienced pain with subprocess.

> I don't
> think I agree about etree being horrid - did anybody more experienced
> have contrary thoughts?

It depends on what you're using it for.  If you want to parse large xml
files fast and you need to be able to do complex searches (i.e., xpath)
then lxml is _very_ good (and faster/more flexible than etree).

I think that the installation/dependencies discussion at the end is interesting,
but possibly separate from the "pythonic" question.  If you're not doing
cross-platform development and have the choice of working on a system
with good package management (e.g., Debian), then these problems
mostly go away (e.g., for packages that he points to like lxml and python-mysql
as well as really messy things like the scipy/numpy/matplotlib stack).

I don't have any experience with distribute/pip/virtualenv, but my bias
is that packages that need to integrate deeply with non-python parts
of the system (e.g., numerical libraries) are easier to delegate to the
operating system's (rather than the language's) package manager --
but perhaps other people on this list have had a different experience?

--Mark

> 
> -regards
> Simeon Franklin
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From langton2 at llnl.gov  Thu Jan 12 21:23:20 2012
From: langton2 at llnl.gov (Asher Langton)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:23:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Improving Python+MPI import performance
Message-ID: <CAB079HKYQrtTR__nmJJedqxZ2DVMOzx1NYEyqB-GN5c3axQdAA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I work on a Python/C++ scientific code that runs as a number of
independent Python processes communicating via MPI. Unfortunately, as
some of you may have experienced, module importing does not scale well
in Python/MPI applications. For 32k processes on BlueGene/P, importing
100 trivial C-extension modules takes 5.5 hours, compared to 35
minutes for all other interpreter loading and initialization. We
developed a simple pure-Python module (based on knee.py, a
hierarchical import example) that cuts the import time from 5.5 hours
to 6 minutes.

The code is available here:

https://github.com/langton/MPI_Import

Usage, implementation details, and limitations are described in a
docstring at the beginning of the file (just after the mandatory
legalese).

I've talked with a few people who've faced the same problem and heard
about a variety of approaches, which range from putting all necessary
files in one directory to hacking the interpreter itself so it
distributes the module-loading over MPI. Last summer, I had a student
intern try a few of these approaches. It turned out that the problem
wasn't so much the simultaneous module loads, but rather the huge
number of failed open() calls (ENOENT) as the interpreter tries to
find the module files. In the MPI_Import module, we have rank 0
perform the module lookups and then broadcast the locations to the
rest of the processes. For our real-world scientific applications
written in Python and C++, this has meant that we can start a problem
and actually make computational progress before the batch allocation
ends.

If you try out the code, I'd appreciate any feedback you have:
performance results, bugfixes/feature-additions, or alternate
approaches to solving this problem. Thanks!

-Asher

From mamin at mbasciences.com  Thu Jan 12 23:28:29 2012
From: mamin at mbasciences.com (Minesh B. Amin)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:28:29 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Improving Python+MPI import performance
In-Reply-To: <CAB079HKYQrtTR__nmJJedqxZ2DVMOzx1NYEyqB-GN5c3axQdAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB079HKYQrtTR__nmJJedqxZ2DVMOzx1NYEyqB-GN5c3axQdAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1326407309.3269.4.camel@lusaka>

Hi Asher,

Simply amazing :)

Reducing the number of failed open() calls is indeed the key.

Cheers!
Minesh

On Thu, 2012-01-12 at 12:23 -0800, Asher Langton wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I work on a Python/C++ scientific code that runs as a number of
> independent Python processes communicating via MPI. Unfortunately, as
> some of you may have experienced, module importing does not scale well
> in Python/MPI applications. For 32k processes on BlueGene/P, importing
> 100 trivial C-extension modules takes 5.5 hours, compared to 35
> minutes for all other interpreter loading and initialization. We
> developed a simple pure-Python module (based on knee.py, a
> hierarchical import example) that cuts the import time from 5.5 hours
> to 6 minutes.
> 
> The code is available here:
> 
> https://github.com/langton/MPI_Import
> 
> 


From fperez.net at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 01:39:33 2012
From: fperez.net at gmail.com (Fernando Perez)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:39:33 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Improving Python+MPI import performance
In-Reply-To: <CAB079HKYQrtTR__nmJJedqxZ2DVMOzx1NYEyqB-GN5c3axQdAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB079HKYQrtTR__nmJJedqxZ2DVMOzx1NYEyqB-GN5c3axQdAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHAreOrhQxroX2rMGqqBORV29MUWS8wuVzi3o=w_Br_CVMyfdA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Asher Langton <langton2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
> I work on a Python/C++ scientific code that runs as a number of
> independent Python processes communicating via MPI. Unfortunately, as
> some of you may have experienced, module importing does not scale well
> in Python/MPI applications. For 32k processes on BlueGene/P, importing
> 100 trivial C-extension modules takes 5.5 hours, compared to 35
> minutes for all other interpreter loading and initialization. We
> developed a simple pure-Python module (based on knee.py, a
> hierarchical import example) that cuts the import time from 5.5 hours
> to 6 minutes.
>
> The code is available here:
>
> https://github.com/langton/MPI_Import

Excellent!  I suggest you post this to the numpy list, I bet you it
will be of interest to a lot of people...

Cheers,

f

From ramiroluz at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 14:24:38 2012
From: ramiroluz at gmail.com (Ramiro B. da Luz)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:24:38 -0200
Subject: [Baypiggies] OFF: Trip to PyConUS.
Message-ID: <CAKNAb0JABJtWA_Lh-KmLfZUALboxG2eSHqetmXGNX+e00z6GHA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.

I am a Brazilian pythonista, host of the PythonBrasil[6]-2010 (PythonBrasil is
the name we gave to PyConBrazil).

First of all, sorry about the cross posting.

I am planning my trip to US to attend to the PyConUS.

I would like to make the most from my travel to US, so I intend to arrive some
days before the conference/tutorials and leave some days after the
conference/sprint.

I planned to arrive in San Francisco at March 3, visit some places,
attend to the
conference and leave San Francisco at March 18. My mileage program company
doesn't have flies to San Jose, so I will go to Santa Clara through
San Francisco.

I would like to visit a lot of places, go surf(just to say to my
friends, it can be only
one morning), go sky, visit famous places, maybe Los Angeles, Hollywood, visit
the desert, aquarium, the golden gate, and do some shopping, specially in a free
trade area.

Any advice or tip are welcome. Cheap hotel or places to stay, things
to take care,
etc...

Thank you.

-- 
--
-- Ramiro Batista da Luz
-- ramiroluz at gmail.com
-- (41) 9173-2231
-- http://www.ramiroluz.eti.br
-- Programador || C?mara Municipal de Curitiba

From wescpy at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 22:16:17 2012
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:16:17 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] OFF: Trip to PyConUS.
In-Reply-To: <CAKNAb0JABJtWA_Lh-KmLfZUALboxG2eSHqetmXGNX+e00z6GHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKNAb0JABJtWA_Lh-KmLfZUALboxG2eSHqetmXGNX+e00z6GHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB6eaA7VbMceMy3YYtTv7Rm6XcFiMOVWv=PL4XRZ=TDVpNEsWg@mail.gmail.com>

bom dia ramiro!! (eu n?o entendo portugu?s, portanto eu fala ingl?s!)

sorry i did not meet you at PythonBrasil[7] a few months ago, but we
welcome you to California! from the PyCon website, you will find this link
to area attractions: https://us.pycon.org/2012/venue/explore/

however, it is only for the San Francisco and Silicon Valley. others will
have to help you with visiting the southern part of the state or elsewhere.
Note that it is about a 6-hour drive from here to Los Angeles, or one-hour
by plane. I recommend the following airlines if you're planning on flying
(look for airfare around $50USD or 90BRL each way): southwest.com,
virginamerica.com, or alaskaair.com.

good luck on your trip, and say HI to luciano, rodolpho, and ?rico for me!
(do most Brazilian mens names end with "o"?) :-)

--wesley


On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Ramiro B. da Luz <ramiroluz at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I am a Brazilian pythonista, host of the PythonBrasil[6]-2010
> (PythonBrasil is
> the name we gave to PyConBrazil).
>
> First of all, sorry about the cross posting.
>
> I am planning my trip to US to attend to the PyConUS.
>
> I would like to make the most from my travel to US, so I intend to arrive
> some
> days before the conference/tutorials and leave some days after the
> conference/sprint.
>
> I planned to arrive in San Francisco at March 3, visit some places,
> attend to the
> conference and leave San Francisco at March 18. My mileage program company
> doesn't have flies to San Jose, so I will go to Santa Clara through
> San Francisco.
>
> I would like to visit a lot of places, go surf(just to say to my
> friends, it can be only
> one morning), go sky, visit famous places, maybe Los Angeles, Hollywood,
> visit
> the desert, aquarium, the golden gate, and do some shopping, specially in
> a free
> trade area.
>
> Any advice or tip are welcome. Cheap hotel or places to stay, things
> to take care,
> etc...
>
> Thank you.




-- 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.chun : wescpy-gmail.com : @wescpy/+wescpy
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
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From jason at mischievous.org  Mon Jan 16 23:08:08 2012
From: jason at mischievous.org (Jason Culverhouse)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:08:08 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] OFF: Trip to PyConUS.
In-Reply-To: <CAB6eaA7VbMceMy3YYtTv7Rm6XcFiMOVWv=PL4XRZ=TDVpNEsWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKNAb0JABJtWA_Lh-KmLfZUALboxG2eSHqetmXGNX+e00z6GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB6eaA7VbMceMy3YYtTv7Rm6XcFiMOVWv=PL4XRZ=TDVpNEsWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A05263D4-E0F8-4B4D-AECE-81BD4B4FD2C3@mischievous.org>

My friends always think "California" and want to go surfing too, then I tell that the water here is REALLY cold, even in the summer, It's ~54F or ~12C off the coast right now. 

Say it better with charts...
Off the San Mateo Coast
http://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks/Lindamar/seatemp

Vs 

Sao Paulo
http://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks/Bonete/seatemp

Jason

On Jan 16, 2012, at 1:16 PM, wesley chun wrote:

> bom dia ramiro!! (eu n?o entendo portugu?s, portanto eu fala ingl?s!)
> 
> sorry i did not meet you at PythonBrasil[7] a few months ago, but we welcome you to California! from the PyCon website, you will find this link to area attractions: https://us.pycon.org/2012/venue/explore/
> 
> however, it is only for the San Francisco and Silicon Valley. others will have to help you with visiting the southern part of the state or elsewhere. Note that it is about a 6-hour drive from here to Los Angeles, or one-hour by plane. I recommend the following airlines if you're planning on flying (look for airfare around $50USD or 90BRL each way): southwest.com, virginamerica.com, or alaskaair.com.
> 
> good luck on your trip, and say HI to luciano, rodolpho, and ?rico for me! (do most Brazilian mens names end with "o"?) :-)
> 
> --wesley
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Ramiro B. da Luz <ramiroluz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> I am a Brazilian pythonista, host of the PythonBrasil[6]-2010 (PythonBrasil is
> the name we gave to PyConBrazil).
> 
> First of all, sorry about the cross posting.
> 
> I am planning my trip to US to attend to the PyConUS.
> 
> I would like to make the most from my travel to US, so I intend to arrive some
> days before the conference/tutorials and leave some days after the
> conference/sprint.
> 
> I planned to arrive in San Francisco at March 3, visit some places,
> attend to the
> conference and leave San Francisco at March 18. My mileage program company
> doesn't have flies to San Jose, so I will go to Santa Clara through
> San Francisco.
> 
> I would like to visit a lot of places, go surf(just to say to my
> friends, it can be only
> one morning), go sky, visit famous places, maybe Los Angeles, Hollywood, visit
> the desert, aquarium, the golden gate, and do some shopping, specially in a free
> trade area.
> 
> Any advice or tip are welcome. Cheap hotel or places to stay, things
> to take care,
> etc...
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "Core Python", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
> "Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
>     http://corepython.com
> 
> wesley.chun : wescpy-gmail.com : @wescpy/+wescpy
> python training and technical consulting
> cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
> http://cyberwebconsulting.com
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From Web at StevePiercy.com  Mon Jan 16 23:53:04 2012
From: Web at StevePiercy.com (Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:53:04 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] OFF: Trip to PyConUS.
In-Reply-To: <A05263D4-E0F8-4B4D-AECE-81BD4B4FD2C3@mischievous.org>
Message-ID: <r422Ps-1058i-F5D58521AF2048B5BBD129318CEBBB34@ip2.192-168-0.rfc1918.steadfastdns.net>

Indeed.  You'll need at least a 3/2 or 4/3 wetsuit, probably a 
4/3 during March.

In Santa Cruz, Pleasure Point is my favorite spot.  Lots of surf 
shops and food clustered on 41st Avenue in Capitola, with 
showers, easy access, and parking at the end of 41st.  Always 
call a local shop for best information, including current conditions.
http://g.co/maps/hpktt

--steve


On 1/16/12 at 2:08 PM, jason at mischievous.org (Jason Culverhouse) pronounced:

>My friends always think "California" and want to go surfing 
>too, then I tell that the water here is REALLY cold, even in 
>the summer, It's ~54F or ~12C off the coast right now.
>Say it better with charts...
>Off the San Mateo Coast
>http://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks/Lindamar/seatemp
>
>Vs
>Sao Paulo
>http://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks/Bonete/seatemp
>
>Jason
>
>On Jan 16, 2012, at 1:16 PM, wesley chun wrote:
>
>>bom dia ramiro!! (eu n?o entendo portugu?s, portanto eu fala ingl?s!)
>>
>>sorry i did not meet you at PythonBrasil[7] a few months ago, but we welcome you
>to California! from the PyCon website, you will find this link 
>to area attractions: https://us.pycon.org/2012/venue/explore/
>>
>>however, it is only for the San Francisco and Silicon Valley. others will have to
>help you with visiting the southern part of the state or 
>elsewhere. Note that it is about a 6-hour drive from here to 
>Los Angeles, or one-hour by plane. I recommend the following 
>airlines if you're planning on flying (look for airfare around 
>$50USD or 90BRL each way): southwest.com, virginamerica.com, or alaskaair.com.
>>
>>good luck on your trip, and say HI to luciano, rodolpho, and ?rico for me! (do
>most Brazilian mens names end with "o"?) :-)
>>
>>--wesley
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Ramiro B. da Luz <ramiroluz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>Hi all.
>>
>>I am a Brazilian pythonista, host of the PythonBrasil[6]-2010 (PythonBrasil is
>>the name we gave to PyConBrazil).
>>
>>First of all, sorry about the cross posting.
>>
>>I am planning my trip to US to attend to the PyConUS.
>>
>>I would like to make the most from my travel to US, so I intend to arrive some
>>days before the conference/tutorials and leave some days after the
>>conference/sprint.
>>
>>I planned to arrive in San Francisco at March 3, visit some places,
>>attend to the
>>conference and leave San Francisco at March 18. My mileage program company
>>doesn't have flies to San Jose, so I will go to Santa Clara through
>>San Francisco.
>>
>>I would like to visit a lot of places, go surf(just to say to my
>>friends, it can be only
>>one morning), go sky, visit famous places, maybe Los Angeles, Hollywood, visit
>>the desert, aquarium, the golden gate, and do some shopping, specially in a free
>>trade area.
>>
>>Any advice or tip are welcome. Cheap hotel or places to stay, things
>>to take care,
>>etc...
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>"Core Python", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
>>"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
>>http://corepython.com
>>
>>wesley.chun : wescpy-gmail.com : @wescpy/+wescpy
>>python training and technical consulting
>>cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
>>http://cyberwebconsulting.com
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From keith at dartworks.biz  Sat Jan 21 18:19:12 2012
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:19:12 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Anyone use urwid?
Message-ID: <20120121091912.43c6dc84@dartworks.biz>

Hello Pythonistas,

Just curious if anyone has really used urwid <http://excess.org/urwid/>
library to create any console user interfaces? If so, how do you like
it?

Keith Dart



-- 

-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Keith Dart <keith at dartworks.biz>
   public key: ID: 19017044
   =====================================================================

From itz at buug.org  Mon Jan 23 05:50:50 2012
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:50:50 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] version in python package distributions, argh
Message-ID: <87bopv2f9x.fsf@foolinux.dyndns.org>


How do people manage the version number in the setup.py file of your
distributions?  I have distributions that contain exectuable scripts.  I
like those scripts to have a -V or --version command line option like
other well behaved programs.  Unless I do something clever, this leads
to duplication of the version info in at least 2 places, with
predictable um, results.

So, I did try something clever:

from distutils.core import setup
import subprocess

sp = subprocess.Popen(['./hgit', '--version'], stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
vline = sp.stdout.read()
sp.wait()
prog, version = vline.strip().split()

setup (name = 'hgit',
       version = version,

...

only to discover that during installation from a source package the
script file is not necessarily executable, which will crash any
invocation of setup.py.

What other ways are there to solve this annoying situation?

-- 
Ian Zimmerman
gpg public key: 1024D/C6FF61AD
fingerprint: 66DC D68F 5C1B 4D71 2EE5  BD03 8A00 786C C6FF 61AD
Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court.

From rbalfanz at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 07:25:43 2012
From: rbalfanz at gmail.com (Ryan Matthew Balfanz)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:25:43 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] version in python package distributions, argh
In-Reply-To: <87bopv2f9x.fsf@foolinux.dyndns.org>
References: <87bopv2f9x.fsf@foolinux.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <CAN0ZehJiSDe=v7cGHRwHtsi7Be7YRCHUmj9Cx+sHDC9b3Ppsnw@mail.gmail.com>

I have to look at another project setup.py file everytime I make one, to
remember how to do it. I've found the one for django-celery to be pretty
good: https://github.com/ask/django-celery/blob/master/setup.py.

Hope it helps.

Cheers,
Ryan

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:

>
> How do people manage the version number in the setup.py file of your
> distributions?  I have distributions that contain exectuable scripts.  I
> like those scripts to have a -V or --version command line option like
> other well behaved programs.  Unless I do something clever, this leads
> to duplication of the version info in at least 2 places, with
> predictable um, results.
>
> So, I did try something clever:
>
> from distutils.core import setup
> import subprocess
>
> sp = subprocess.Popen(['./hgit', '--version'], stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
> vline = sp.stdout.read()
> sp.wait()
> prog, version = vline.strip().split()
>
> setup (name = 'hgit',
>       version = version,
>
> ...
>
> only to discover that during installation from a source package the
> script file is not necessarily executable, which will crash any
> invocation of setup.py.
>
> What other ways are there to solve this annoying situation?
>
> --
> Ian Zimmerman
> gpg public key: 1024D/C6FF61AD
> fingerprint: 66DC D68F 5C1B 4D71 2EE5  BD03 8A00 786C C6FF 61AD
> Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court.
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Jan 23 17:38:29 2012
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:38:29 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Talk this week?
Message-ID: <CA+UBrj6qG_vcmr15Fgu_TAQzg-W2MFa5mJhbuPdc4RWZnEvR+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Do we have a BayPIGies this week? What subject?

G
-- 
Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
least.

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From itz at buug.org  Mon Jan 23 20:16:03 2012
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:16:03 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] version in python package distributions, argh
In-Reply-To: <CAN0ZehJiSDe=v7cGHRwHtsi7Be7YRCHUmj9Cx+sHDC9b3Ppsnw@mail.gmail.com>
	(Ryan Matthew Balfanz's message of "Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:25:43 -0800")
References: <87bopv2f9x.fsf@foolinux.dyndns.org>
	<CAN0ZehJiSDe=v7cGHRwHtsi7Be7YRCHUmj9Cx+sHDC9b3Ppsnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87vco26xho.fsf@foolinux.dyndns.org>


Ryan> I have to look at another project setup.py file everytime I make
Ryan> one, to remember how to do it. I've found the one for
Ryan> django-celery to be pretty good:
Ryan> https://github.com/ask/django-celery/blob/master/setup.py.

Ryan> Hope it helps.

In a way it does :-/

It uses setuptools, not plain distutils.  I have been trying to not
depend on setuptools for some time.  Maybe it is time to give up.

-- 
Ian Zimmerman
gpg public key: 1024D/C6FF61AD
fingerprint: 66DC D68F 5C1B 4D71 2EE5  BD03 8A00 786C C6FF 61AD
Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court.

From dan at bot4.us  Tue Jan 24 03:34:20 2012
From: dan at bot4.us (Dan Bikle)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:34:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Pythonistas invited to Sunday Hackternoon at Hacker
	Dojo Jan 29.
Message-ID: <CAFCCYg0imDvieS-DV+pCkp+9wfe+NdNJUf=spOaM5SwwvAvwvA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Bay Piggies,

I invite you to Sunday Hackternoon at Hacker Dojo in Mountain View on
Jan29 at 1pm:

http://meetup.com/Hackternoon

Sunday Hackternoon is for "Hackternooners" to practice paired programming.

The resulting code is usually Open Source so we avoid discussions
about who owns it.

One of our Hackternooners is working on a project to deploy some
Python code on Heroku.

The application will be used to help end-users gain a better standing
of thought patterns in their mind.

I am hopeful this type of project will appeal to one or more Pythonistas.

-- Dan (Hackternooner Founder)



-- 
Some traders make their own luck.
We use a robot.
http://bot4.us

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Jan 24 21:50:19 2012
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:50:19 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Who's speaking (two days from now)?
Message-ID: <CA+UBrj7htBQY7g24GzxUCreNhN8fKER2So0AqnSh30PV4f0fqQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sorry if I missed this in email (I'm looking at BayPIGgies.net). Does
anyone know who is speaking this week and what the subject will be?


Glen
-- 
Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
least.

-- Goethe
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 22:49:04 2012
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:49:04 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Who's speaking (two days from now)?
In-Reply-To: <CA+UBrj7htBQY7g24GzxUCreNhN8fKER2So0AqnSh30PV4f0fqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj7htBQY7g24GzxUCreNhN8fKER2So0AqnSh30PV4f0fqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB0XCvYeEghak19q5Ob6ibq2FhhbNPqrGiuSowXK=o9tTeQaJQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> I'm sorry if I missed this in email (I'm looking at BayPIGgies.net). Does
> anyone know who is speaking this week and what the subject will be?


I am.  Here are the details:

Speaker: Shannon -jj Behrens

Talk: Dart

Abstract:

Dart is a new class-based programming language for creating structured web
applications. Developed with the goals of simplicity, efficiency, and
scalability, the Dart language combines powerful new language features with
familiar language constructs into a clear, readable syntax.  Why is
Dart significant?
 Because Google has a fork of WebKit with the Dart VM integrated into the
browser!

Bio:

JJ is a developer advocate for YouTube APIs. His goal is to foster a rich
set of third-party applications built on YouTube APIs. He's a well-known
member of the Python community. He blogs atjjinux.blogspot.com on topics
such as Python, Ruby, Linux, open source software, the Web, and
lesser-known programming languages.

Best Regards,
-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with
great love. -- Mother Teresa
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Wed Jan 25 00:16:55 2012
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:16:55 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Who's speaking (two days from now)?
In-Reply-To: <CAB0XCvYeEghak19q5Ob6ibq2FhhbNPqrGiuSowXK=o9tTeQaJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj7htBQY7g24GzxUCreNhN8fKER2So0AqnSh30PV4f0fqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB0XCvYeEghak19q5Ob6ibq2FhhbNPqrGiuSowXK=o9tTeQaJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <553F6503-3304-40B7-BCD0-8DEF135CC54E@glenjarvis.com>

Excellent!! Thanks, JJ 

G

On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry if I missed this in email (I'm looking at BayPIGgies.net). Does anyone know who is speaking this week and what the subject will be?
> 
> I am.  Here are the details:
> 
> Speaker: Shannon -jj Behrens
> 
> Talk: Dart
> 
> Abstract:
> 
> Dart is a new class-based programming language for creating structured web applications. Developed with the goals of simplicity, efficiency, and scalability, the Dart language combines powerful new language features with familiar language constructs into a clear, readable syntax.  Why is Dart significant?  Because Google has a fork of WebKit with the Dart VM integrated into the browser!
> 
> Bio:
> 
> JJ is a developer advocate for YouTube APIs. His goal is to foster a rich set of third-party applications built on YouTube APIs. He's a well-known member of the Python community. He blogs atjjinux.blogspot.com on topics such as Python, Ruby, Linux, open source software, the Web, and lesser-known programming languages.
> 
> Best Regards,
> -jj
> 
> -- 
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa
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From bill at idealgov.com  Wed Jan 25 01:13:17 2012
From: bill at idealgov.com (William Deegan)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:13:17 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Who's speaking (two days from now)?
In-Reply-To: <CAB0XCvYeEghak19q5Ob6ibq2FhhbNPqrGiuSowXK=o9tTeQaJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj7htBQY7g24GzxUCreNhN8fKER2So0AqnSh30PV4f0fqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB0XCvYeEghak19q5Ob6ibq2FhhbNPqrGiuSowXK=o9tTeQaJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <711ACC2C-3E64-4CA2-A87C-539602B2E3B4@gmail.com>

All,

If I get a chance I'll add that to the website tonight.
Any newbie nuggets?

-Bill
On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry if I missed this in email (I'm looking at BayPIGgies.net). Does anyone know who is speaking this week and what the subject will be?
> 
> I am.  Here are the details:
> 
> Speaker: Shannon -jj Behrens
> 
> Talk: Dart
> 
> Abstract:
> 
> Dart is a new class-based programming language for creating structured web applications. Developed with the goals of simplicity, efficiency, and scalability, the Dart language combines powerful new language features with familiar language constructs into a clear, readable syntax.  Why is Dart significant?  Because Google has a fork of WebKit with the Dart VM integrated into the browser!
> 
> Bio:
> 
> JJ is a developer advocate for YouTube APIs. His goal is to foster a rich set of third-party applications built on YouTube APIs. He's a well-known member of the Python community. He blogs atjjinux.blogspot.com on topics such as Python, Ruby, Linux, open source software, the Web, and lesser-known programming languages.
> 
> Best Regards,
> -jj
> 
> -- 
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa
> _______________________________________________
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From ramiroluz at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 01:10:02 2012
From: ramiroluz at gmail.com (Ramiro B. da Luz)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:10:02 -0200
Subject: [Baypiggies] OFF: Trip to PyConUS.
In-Reply-To: <CAKNAb0JABJtWA_Lh-KmLfZUALboxG2eSHqetmXGNX+e00z6GHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKNAb0JABJtWA_Lh-KmLfZUALboxG2eSHqetmXGNX+e00z6GHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKNAb0KXRhjHBc_JUYmj6DBsjBGOdrxAvuY25KqNNfNyhzqSWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

Thank you for all the responses.

I tried to reply each one individually.

I bought the flying tickets, and made some plans.

Fly: G3 1988 - Feb, 29
>From CWB(Curitiba) 09:50 To GIG(Rio de Janeiro) 11:19

Fly: AA 0974 - Feb, 29
>From GIG 22:25 To JFK 06:29 (Mar, 1)

Fly: AA 0001 - Mar, 1
>From JFK 09:00 To LAX 12:30

Fly: AA 1954 - Mar, 4
>From LAX 14:20 To SFO 15:40

So, I made a stop over in Los Angeles without extra expenses,
I intend to do a city tour in L.A. on Friday, Mar, 2. On Saturday
I would like to visit Lake Tahoe, my plan is to fly to Reno, do
a basic ski lesson(I have never seen snow) and go back to Los
Angeles in the same day(by plane). Fly to San Francisco on
Sunday and visit some places on Monday and Tuesday. I will try to
subscribe in a tutorial at PyCon, but if I don't I will have two more
days free to do some tourism.

I will leave US on March, 19.
Fly UA 0847, Mar, 19
>From SFO 13:02 To Washington
Washington - S?o Paulo
S?o Paulo - Curitiba.

I plan to do some tourism in Santa Clara after the PyCon, following
the recommendations from the PyCon site. Going to San Francisco
just on Mar, 19 in the morning.

Let me know if you have some advise, specially about clothes to ski.

Thank you again.


On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ramiro B. da Luz <ramiroluz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I am a Brazilian pythonista, host of the PythonBrasil[6]-2010 (PythonBrasil is
> the name we gave to PyConBrazil).
>
> First of all, sorry about the cross posting.
>
> I am planning my trip to US to attend to the PyConUS.
>
> I would like to make the most from my travel to US, so I intend to arrive some
> days before the conference/tutorials and leave some days after the
> conference/sprint.
>
> I planned to arrive in San Francisco at March 3, visit some places,
> attend to the
> conference and leave San Francisco at March 18. My mileage program company
> doesn't have flies to San Jose, so I will go to Santa Clara through
> San Francisco.
>
> I would like to visit a lot of places, go surf(just to say to my
> friends, it can be only
> one morning), go sky, visit famous places, maybe Los Angeles, Hollywood, visit
> the desert, aquarium, the golden gate, and do some shopping, specially in a free
> trade area.
>
> Any advice or tip are welcome. Cheap hotel or places to stay, things
> to take care,
> etc...
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> --
> -- Ramiro Batista da Luz
> -- ramiroluz at gmail.com
> -- (41) 9173-2231
> -- http://www.ramiroluz.eti.br
> -- Programador || C?mara Municipal de Curitiba



-- 
--
-- Ramiro Batista da Luz
-- ramiroluz at gmail.com
-- (41) 9173-2231
-- http://www.ramiroluz.eti.br
-- Programador || C?mara Municipal de Curitiba

From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 17:41:06 2012
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:41:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] OFF: Trip to PyConUS.
In-Reply-To: <CAKNAb0KXRhjHBc_JUYmj6DBsjBGOdrxAvuY25KqNNfNyhzqSWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKNAb0JABJtWA_Lh-KmLfZUALboxG2eSHqetmXGNX+e00z6GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKNAb0KXRhjHBc_JUYmj6DBsjBGOdrxAvuY25KqNNfNyhzqSWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB0XCvaUPTHE55nCXBo68qJirAETDacEahQtVdrXg1XNWjLoVw@mail.gmail.com>

You should also:

 * Visit the Computer History Museum
 * Go to Frys (which is a huge store full of computer stuff)

Both are somewhat close to PyCon.

-jj

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ramiro B. da Luz <ramiroluz at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Thank you for all the responses.
>
> I tried to reply each one individually.
>
> I bought the flying tickets, and made some plans.
>
> Fly: G3 1988 - Feb, 29
> >From CWB(Curitiba) 09:50 To GIG(Rio de Janeiro) 11:19
>
> Fly: AA 0974 - Feb, 29
> >From GIG 22:25 To JFK 06:29 (Mar, 1)
>
> Fly: AA 0001 - Mar, 1
> >From JFK 09:00 To LAX 12:30
>
> Fly: AA 1954 - Mar, 4
> >From LAX 14:20 To SFO 15:40
>
> So, I made a stop over in Los Angeles without extra expenses,
> I intend to do a city tour in L.A. on Friday, Mar, 2. On Saturday
> I would like to visit Lake Tahoe, my plan is to fly to Reno, do
> a basic ski lesson(I have never seen snow) and go back to Los
> Angeles in the same day(by plane). Fly to San Francisco on
> Sunday and visit some places on Monday and Tuesday. I will try to
> subscribe in a tutorial at PyCon, but if I don't I will have two more
> days free to do some tourism.
>
> I will leave US on March, 19.
> Fly UA 0847, Mar, 19
> >From SFO 13:02 To Washington
> Washington - S?o Paulo
> S?o Paulo - Curitiba.
>
> I plan to do some tourism in Santa Clara after the PyCon, following
> the recommendations from the PyCon site. Going to San Francisco
> just on Mar, 19 in the morning.
>
> Let me know if you have some advise, specially about clothes to ski.
>
> Thank you again.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ramiro B. da Luz <ramiroluz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I am a Brazilian pythonista, host of the PythonBrasil[6]-2010
> (PythonBrasil is
> > the name we gave to PyConBrazil).
> >
> > First of all, sorry about the cross posting.
> >
> > I am planning my trip to US to attend to the PyConUS.
> >
> > I would like to make the most from my travel to US, so I intend to
> arrive some
> > days before the conference/tutorials and leave some days after the
> > conference/sprint.
> >
> > I planned to arrive in San Francisco at March 3, visit some places,
> > attend to the
> > conference and leave San Francisco at March 18. My mileage program
> company
> > doesn't have flies to San Jose, so I will go to Santa Clara through
> > San Francisco.
> >
> > I would like to visit a lot of places, go surf(just to say to my
> > friends, it can be only
> > one morning), go sky, visit famous places, maybe Los Angeles, Hollywood,
> visit
> > the desert, aquarium, the golden gate, and do some shopping, specially
> in a free
> > trade area.
> >
> > Any advice or tip are welcome. Cheap hotel or places to stay, things
> > to take care,
> > etc...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --
> > --
> > -- Ramiro Batista da Luz
> > -- ramiroluz at gmail.com
> > -- (41) 9173-2231
> > -- http://www.ramiroluz.eti.br
> > -- Programador || C?mara Municipal de Curitiba
>
>
>
> --
> --
> -- Ramiro Batista da Luz
> -- ramiroluz at gmail.com
> -- (41) 9173-2231
> -- http://www.ramiroluz.eti.br
> -- Programador || C?mara Municipal de Curitiba
> _______________________________________________
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> Baypiggies at python.org
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From jim at systemateka.com  Wed Jan 25 18:16:06 2012
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:16:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] January BayPIGgies meeting: Thursday, January 26,
	2012: Dart
Message-ID: <1327511766.1696.23.camel@jim-LAPTOP>


January BayPIGgies meeting: Thursday, January 26, 2012: Dart 

Speaker: Shannon JJ Behrens 

Abstract:

Dart is a new class-based programming language for creating structured
web applications. Developed with the goals of simplicity, efficiency,
and scalability, the Dart language combines powerful new language
features with familiar language constructs into a clear, readable
syntax.  Why is Dart significant?  Because Google has a fork of WebKit
with the Dart VM integrated into the browser!


Bio: 

JJ is a developer advocate for YouTube APIs. His goal is to foster a
rich set of third-party applications built on YouTube APIs. He's a
well-known member of the Python community. 

He blogs at jjinux.blogspot.com on topics such as Python, Ruby, Linux,
open source software, the Web, and lesser-known programming languages.

http://jjinux.blogspot.com 


.........................................


LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://www.baypiggies.net/ 


------------------------ Agenda ------------------------


..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, 
any first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 8:25 PM (or so) ................
The talk: Dart 


..... 8:25 PM to 8:55 PM (or so) ................
Questions and Answers 


..... 8:55 PM to 9:30 PM (or so) ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, 
hiring, events, and other topics. 

Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow 
up on the announcements and other interests.




From daves at cfotogo.com  Wed Jan 25 18:52:08 2012
From: daves at cfotogo.com (David Schnepper)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:52:08 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] OFF: Trip to PyConUS.
In-Reply-To: <CAB0XCvaUPTHE55nCXBo68qJirAETDacEahQtVdrXg1XNWjLoVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKNAb0JABJtWA_Lh-KmLfZUALboxG2eSHqetmXGNX+e00z6GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKNAb0KXRhjHBc_JUYmj6DBsjBGOdrxAvuY25KqNNfNyhzqSWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB0XCvaUPTHE55nCXBo68qJirAETDacEahQtVdrXg1XNWjLoVw@mail.gmail.com>
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And, of course WeirdStuff

http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=sunnyvalestore



On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>wrote:

> You should also:
>
>  * Visit the Computer History Museum
>  * Go to Frys (which is a huge store full of computer stuff)
>
> Both are somewhat close to PyCon.
>
> -jj
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ramiro B. da Luz <ramiroluz at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Thank you for all the responses.
>>
>> I tried to reply each one individually.
>>
>> I bought the flying tickets, and made some plans.
>>
>> Fly: G3 1988 - Feb, 29
>> >From CWB(Curitiba) 09:50 To GIG(Rio de Janeiro) 11:19
>>
>> Fly: AA 0974 - Feb, 29
>> >From GIG 22:25 To JFK 06:29 (Mar, 1)
>>
>> Fly: AA 0001 - Mar, 1
>> >From JFK 09:00 To LAX 12:30
>>
>> Fly: AA 1954 - Mar, 4
>> >From LAX 14:20 To SFO 15:40
>>
>> So, I made a stop over in Los Angeles without extra expenses,
>> I intend to do a city tour in L.A. on Friday, Mar, 2. On Saturday
>> I would like to visit Lake Tahoe, my plan is to fly to Reno, do
>> a basic ski lesson(I have never seen snow) and go back to Los
>> Angeles in the same day(by plane). Fly to San Francisco on
>> Sunday and visit some places on Monday and Tuesday. I will try to
>> subscribe in a tutorial at PyCon, but if I don't I will have two more
>> days free to do some tourism.
>>
>> I will leave US on March, 19.
>> Fly UA 0847, Mar, 19
>> >From SFO 13:02 To Washington
>> Washington - S?o Paulo
>> S?o Paulo - Curitiba.
>>
>> I plan to do some tourism in Santa Clara after the PyCon, following
>> the recommendations from the PyCon site. Going to San Francisco
>> just on Mar, 19 in the morning.
>>
>> Let me know if you have some advise, specially about clothes to ski.
>>
>> Thank you again.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ramiro B. da Luz <ramiroluz at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all.
>> >
>> > I am a Brazilian pythonista, host of the PythonBrasil[6]-2010
>> (PythonBrasil is
>> > the name we gave to PyConBrazil).
>> >
>> > First of all, sorry about the cross posting.
>> >
>> > I am planning my trip to US to attend to the PyConUS.
>> >
>> > I would like to make the most from my travel to US, so I intend to
>> arrive some
>> > days before the conference/tutorials and leave some days after the
>> > conference/sprint.
>> >
>> > I planned to arrive in San Francisco at March 3, visit some places,
>> > attend to the
>> > conference and leave San Francisco at March 18. My mileage program
>> company
>> > doesn't have flies to San Jose, so I will go to Santa Clara through
>> > San Francisco.
>> >
>> > I would like to visit a lot of places, go surf(just to say to my
>> > friends, it can be only
>> > one morning), go sky, visit famous places, maybe Los Angeles,
>> Hollywood, visit
>> > the desert, aquarium, the golden gate, and do some shopping, specially
>> in a free
>> > trade area.
>> >
>> > Any advice or tip are welcome. Cheap hotel or places to stay, things
>> > to take care,
>> > etc...
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > --
>> > --
>> > -- Ramiro Batista da Luz
>> > -- ramiroluz at gmail.com
>> > -- (41) 9173-2231
>> > -- http://www.ramiroluz.eti.br
>> > -- Programador || C?mara Municipal de Curitiba
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> -- Ramiro Batista da Luz
>> -- ramiroluz at gmail.com
>> -- (41) 9173-2231
>> -- http://www.ramiroluz.eti.br
>> -- Programador || C?mara Municipal de Curitiba
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>
>
> --
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with
> great love. -- Mother Teresa
>
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From simeonf at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 19:15:30 2012
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:15:30 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Who's speaking (two days from now)?
In-Reply-To: <711ACC2C-3E64-4CA2-A87C-539602B2E3B4@gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj7htBQY7g24GzxUCreNhN8fKER2So0AqnSh30PV4f0fqQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:13 PM, William Deegan <bill at idealgov.com> wrote:
> If I get a chance I'll add that to the website tonight.
> Any newbie nuggets?
>
> -Bill

I think Hy Carrel was planning to talk about TDD for the Newbie Nugget.

-regards
Simeon Franklin

From janssen at parc.com  Wed Jan 25 20:31:52 2012
From: janssen at parc.com (Bill Janssen)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:31:52 PST
Subject: [Baypiggies] OFF: Trip to PyConUS.
In-Reply-To: <CAB0XCvaUPTHE55nCXBo68qJirAETDacEahQtVdrXg1XNWjLoVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKNAb0JABJtWA_Lh-KmLfZUALboxG2eSHqetmXGNX+e00z6GHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKNAb0KXRhjHBc_JUYmj6DBsjBGOdrxAvuY25KqNNfNyhzqSWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB0XCvaUPTHE55nCXBo68qJirAETDacEahQtVdrXg1XNWjLoVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71566.1327519912@parc.com>

Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:

> You should also:
> 
>  * Visit the Computer History Museum

Excellent tip.

>  * Go to Frys (which is a huge store full of computer stuff)

Can't recommend it.  Micro Center Silicon Valley is closer to the
conference, and more fun (IMO).

Bill

From hcarrinski at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 07:09:12 2012
From: hcarrinski at gmail.com (Hy Carrinski)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:09:12 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Text of Newbie Nugget
Message-ID: <8492696586115090950@unknownmsgid>

The text of my Newbie Nugget from tonight can be found at:
https://github.com/grepdisc/python_testing_talk

The talk format is based on JJ's BDD talk, in the references.

Let's talk testing!
Hy

Hy Carrel
senior software engineer
moduleQ
169 11th St, SF CA

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Fri Jan 27 20:11:10 2012
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:11:10 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] TDD and mocking
Message-ID: <CA+UBrj4VULveTuRBdz+nS=sSeP+rMWPqmOCvBgzSodO1+srgwA@mail.gmail.com>

Hy gave a good newbie nugget last night. I've been doing more TDD and am
really excited about it. But, I struggle with mocking.

My question last night was how to mock properly. The example that I gave
was for my current project (A mechanical turk and Django smash up). Most of
my project is really basic -- just interfacing with other libraries, etc.
There are pieces that I need to test -- like some admin actions, Django
management commands, etc.

I've tried to use Mock libraries, but haven't gotten over the hump. Let me
re-ask the question now.

Would it be "cool" or "uncool" if I made my equivalent Python class for a
HIT, Assignment and Answer (these are equivalent classes from Boto)? The
class would be a very basic/thin slice of what Amazon/Boto would provide.
And, then when I try to mock, I inject my models into my project
(hand-wavy somehow via monkey patching)?

Now that I write this, would it be better to instantiate the results that
Boto would present and inject those into a mocked response from Amazon? I'm
bumping around in the dark on this and just haven't gotten past the hump to
really mock well.

I think I'm going to just give my best college try and then send a link to
the project, asking for feedback/review on how I could have done it better.
Any offline advice would be appreciated. The project is currently "written"
but I consider it my first draft -- and already have found mistakes that
would have been found by doing TDD first. I'd like to remove code, build
failing tests, put in each part of code, and let the design drive.

Wiki: https://github.com/glenjarvis/djurk/wiki/Quick-Start

Code: https://github.com/glenjarvis/djurk

Warmest Regards


Glen
P.S. I got some good advice last night from JJ and others. But, as I
thought of my question further, I don't think I need to go as far as the
WSGI layer as I just need to simulate the objects that would be received
from the function call.... thoughts?
--
Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
least.

-- Goethe
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 22:48:23 2012
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:48:23 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Dart talk
Message-ID: <CAB0XCvY_MXw0ZGFqHFfdibQXj_R_jDvxGUzH+TnXAE3aKgkYwg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

Thanks for letting me give the talk on Dart last night.  Here are the
slides:

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_Z56A18VRlxMTI3YWU2ZTYtNzY3ZC00MDA1LTgzYmYtYTNhMDY3ZjUwNzc0

Best Regards,
-jj

-- 
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 23:03:01 2012
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:03:01 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] TDD and mocking
In-Reply-To: <CA+UBrj4VULveTuRBdz+nS=sSeP+rMWPqmOCvBgzSodO1+srgwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj4VULveTuRBdz+nS=sSeP+rMWPqmOCvBgzSodO1+srgwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB0XCvZSFWvDqZsvh_RsnO+z_+xTO28UvNVCZCENEnp6UAupEA@mail.gmail.com>

Here's my updated, slightly more pragmatic take on the issue.  I think you
should segregate code the interacts with Boto from code that deals with the
data that you get back from Boto.  For instance, if most of your code can
be segregated into a function that takes some JSON and does something with
it, then it'll be really easy to test.  If you have an extremely short
function that uses Boto that you don't have test coverage for, so be it.
 Eventually, you'll learn how to do dependency injection to test things
like that, but in the short term, it's all about bang for buck.

Happy Hacking!
-jj

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> Hy gave a good newbie nugget last night. I've been doing more TDD and am
> really excited about it. But, I struggle with mocking.
>
> My question last night was how to mock properly. The example that I gave
> was for my current project (A mechanical turk and Django smash up). Most of
> my project is really basic -- just interfacing with other libraries, etc.
> There are pieces that I need to test -- like some admin actions, Django
> management commands, etc.
>
> I've tried to use Mock libraries, but haven't gotten over the hump. Let me
> re-ask the question now.
>
> Would it be "cool" or "uncool" if I made my equivalent Python class for a
> HIT, Assignment and Answer (these are equivalent classes from Boto)? The
> class would be a very basic/thin slice of what Amazon/Boto would provide.
> And, then when I try to mock, I inject my models into my project
> (hand-wavy somehow via monkey patching)?
>
> Now that I write this, would it be better to instantiate the results that
> Boto would present and inject those into a mocked response from Amazon? I'm
> bumping around in the dark on this and just haven't gotten past the hump to
> really mock well.
>
> I think I'm going to just give my best college try and then send a link to
> the project, asking for feedback/review on how I could have done it better.
> Any offline advice would be appreciated. The project is currently "written"
> but I consider it my first draft -- and already have found mistakes that
> would have been found by doing TDD first. I'd like to remove code, build
> failing tests, put in each part of code, and let the design drive.
>
> Wiki: https://github.com/glenjarvis/djurk/wiki/Quick-Start
>
> Code: https://github.com/glenjarvis/djurk
>
> Warmest Regards
>
>
> Glen
> P.S. I got some good advice last night from JJ and others. But, as I
> thought of my question further, I don't think I need to go as far as the
> WSGI layer as I just need to simulate the objects that would be received
> from the function call.... thoughts?
> --
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
> least.
>
> -- Goethe
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 23:40:17 2012
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:40:17 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Bad Gateway
Message-ID: <CAB0XCvZDxy637cAAYPuusWoBJXAQ-f8H8UV=NQkP=XVXK10P0Q@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like baypiggies.net is down.

-jj

-- 
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From bill at idealgov.com  Sat Jan 28 00:09:51 2012
From: bill at idealgov.com (William Deegan)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:09:51 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Bad Gateway
In-Reply-To: <CAB0XCvZDxy637cAAYPuusWoBJXAQ-f8H8UV=NQkP=XVXK10P0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Fixed.
-Bill
On Jan 27, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:

> It looks like baypiggies.net is down.
> 
> -jj
> 
> -- 
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa
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From meenalpant at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 08:56:45 2012
From: meenalpant at gmail.com (Meenal Pant)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:56:45 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Web designer /company ?
Message-ID: <CAPiBF8MpQsW_3T9YsT=Sw5DQZ6wkEJ0tbjJh9xQm+sJUBvPxKA@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone on this list a web designer or does anyone know/ can recommend a
good and affordable web designer / company that creates logos and headers ?
 I have a job requirement and I am looking for someone for a few hours of
work.
Kindly reply to my email address and not the list.
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Jan 31 16:03:15 2012
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:03:15 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Happy Guido Day!
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