From mech422 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 00:39:03 2011
From: mech422 at gmail.com (Steve Hindle)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:39:03 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] puzzle: binding invocation context for a function
 call during a class declaration
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I'm half-asleep so this is prolly all wrong but here's a shot at it...
I cant' remember if random function calls are actually invoked during
class definition or not...
if they are, then they should get a cls as the first parm - which
would be your context as no
objects have been created yet...

If they're not, I would guess you'd have to move them outside the
class definition (maybe right after it)
there they will definately get called right after the class
definition. this would give you a syntax like
is_a(Foo, A) - again allowing you to capture the class.

Since this is working on classes, not objects - I'm not sure what your
approach gives you
over standard syntax where base classes are listed in the class
signature ?  The only
'context' you'd be capturing is the relationship between
classes...is-a is a standard base class,
and part-of sounds like a mixin - again, a base class ?

Steve



On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com> wrote:
> You're suggesting I do everything with attributes. ?Yes, that's a possibility,
> but it doesn't really answer the question I raised, which is about capturing the
> invocation context for a function call that happens during the definition of a
> class.
>
> Bill
>
> Zachary Collins <recursive.cookie.jar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You're trying to create more complicated symantics than is necessary
>> to solve this problem.
>>
>> How about
>> class Foo (Concept):
>> ? things_i_am = [A, B]
>>
>> ?
>>
>> 2010/12/31 Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com>:
>> > I'm puzzling out how one would ape a declarative language in Python.
>> > For instance, take a language that has declarations like
>> >
>> > ?concept Foo {
>> > ? ?is-a A;
>> > ? ?is-a B;
>> > ? ?part-of X;
>> >
>> > ? ?public int counter;
>> > ? ?public analogue bar;
>> > ?}
>> >
>> > ?expression Bletch {
>> >
>> > ? ?expresses Foo;
>> >
>> > ? ?counter = 3;
>> > ?}
>> >
>> > where "concept", "public", "is-a", "part-of", "int", "analogue",
>> > "expression", and "expresses" are all keywords.
>> >
>> > Since it's largely declarative, I'd naturally express it in Python as a
>> > set of class declarations:
>> >
>> > ?from mylang import is_a, part_of, Concept, Expression, attribute, public, analogue, expresses
>> >
>> > ?class Foo (Concept):
>> >
>> > ? ?is_a(A);
>> > ? ?is_a(B);
>> > ? ?part_of(X);
>> >
>> > ? ?counter = attribute(public, int)
>> > ? ?bar = attribute(public, analogue)
>> >
>> > ?class Bletch (Expression):
>> >
>> > ? ?expresses(Foo)
>> > ? ?counter = 3
>> >
>> > Now, my question is, how can I capture the invocation context of a
>> > function, so that I can know that "is_a(A)" is being called as part of
>> > the definition of class "Foo"? ?Do functions called during the
>> > evaluation of a class leave their return result somewhere, for instance,
>> > so that I could define a metaclass to do something with that result?
>> >
>> > Right now, I'm using the fragile workaround of
>> >
>> > ?_relationships = []
>> > ?def _store_relationship (x, rel):
>> > ? ? ?primary = inspect.stack()[2][0].f_code.co_name
>> > ? ? ?_relationships.append((primary, rel, x))
>> > ?is_a = lambda x: _store_relationship(x, "is-a")
>> >
>> > If I was willing to use Python 3, I could use class decorators instead,
>> > I suppose. ?But I'd like to nest these declarations inside the class
>> > definition if I can.
>> >
>> > Any ideas would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Bill
>> > _______________________________________________
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 00:50:39 2011
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:50:39 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] hardware question
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On Dec 31, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Ken Seehart wrote:

> On 12/24/2010 05:22 PM, Aahz wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010, Vikram K wrote:
>>> Recently i got funding to buy a new laptop. The choice is between Apple
>>> (which i have never ever used),  or HP/Dell.
>>> 
>>> Since most of my computational work will be using python i wanted to ask
>>> others on this forum about whether there would be any compatibility issues
>>> with using the various python libraries (matplotlib, scipy, numpy,
>>> Biopython, etc.) when using Python on the Mac.
>> There's one simple reason why I absolutely stick with Macs for laptops:
>> sleep Just Works.  Supposedly there's been progress in recent years, but
>> I still often see people booting up their laptops instead of just waking
>> them from sleep when it's not a Mac.  Get a Mac with 8GB RAM and you'll
>> have plenty of room for virtual machines for Ubuntu, Windows, or
>> whatever.
>> 
>> Overall, I'm happier when I'm using my Ubuntu desktop at home, mainly
>> because Macs are somewhat keyboard-unfriendly, although you can do an
>> awful lots with the Mac keyboard if you invest some time learning.
>> (Surprisingly, Windows and Ubuntu are mostly in a dead heat for keyboard
>> friendliness.)  If you are familiar with and like Gnome/KDE virtual
>> screens, you will hate the Mac implementation.
>> 
>> You should get a mouse with your Mac if you have sweaty fingers, the
>> capacitive trackpad sometimes goes wonky.
>> 
>> I've used 13", 15", and 17" laptops.  IMO 15" is the best compromise
>> between screen size and portability.  Get the anti-glare screen, the
>> glossy is one thing I dislike about my current Mac.
> <mutant_topic>
> I'm going to buy a new laptop for PYCON, and the Mac virtual
> machine idea is tempting.  The one issue I have is whether
> it is possible to run CUDA code in a windows vm and a ubuntu
> vm on a mac.
> 
> Anyone know about this?
> </mutant_topic>

I googled around and it looks like the answer is no. 
I think you could use bootcamp to dual boot your  laptop to win/ubuntu if you needed CUDA.

-Bill

From mech422 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 00:55:54 2011
From: mech422 at gmail.com (Steve Hindle)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:55:54 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] puzzle: binding invocation context for a function
 call during a class declaration
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Bah - told ya I was half asleep... your not gonna get cls since your
not explicitly passing it...
Hmm - this one's gonna need more coffee :-)

Steve

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com> wrote:
> You're suggesting I do everything with attributes. ?Yes, that's a possibility,
> but it doesn't really answer the question I raised, which is about capturing the
> invocation context for a function call that happens during the definition of a
> class.
>
> Bill
>
> Zachary Collins <recursive.cookie.jar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You're trying to create more complicated symantics than is necessary
>> to solve this problem.
>>
>> How about
>> class Foo (Concept):
>> ? things_i_am = [A, B]
>>
>> ?
>>
>> 2010/12/31 Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com>:
>> > I'm puzzling out how one would ape a declarative language in Python.
>> > For instance, take a language that has declarations like
>> >
>> > ?concept Foo {
>> > ? ?is-a A;
>> > ? ?is-a B;
>> > ? ?part-of X;
>> >
>> > ? ?public int counter;
>> > ? ?public analogue bar;
>> > ?}
>> >
>> > ?expression Bletch {
>> >
>> > ? ?expresses Foo;
>> >
>> > ? ?counter = 3;
>> > ?}
>> >
>> > where "concept", "public", "is-a", "part-of", "int", "analogue",
>> > "expression", and "expresses" are all keywords.
>> >
>> > Since it's largely declarative, I'd naturally express it in Python as a
>> > set of class declarations:
>> >
>> > ?from mylang import is_a, part_of, Concept, Expression, attribute, public, analogue, expresses
>> >
>> > ?class Foo (Concept):
>> >
>> > ? ?is_a(A);
>> > ? ?is_a(B);
>> > ? ?part_of(X);
>> >
>> > ? ?counter = attribute(public, int)
>> > ? ?bar = attribute(public, analogue)
>> >
>> > ?class Bletch (Expression):
>> >
>> > ? ?expresses(Foo)
>> > ? ?counter = 3
>> >
>> > Now, my question is, how can I capture the invocation context of a
>> > function, so that I can know that "is_a(A)" is being called as part of
>> > the definition of class "Foo"? ?Do functions called during the
>> > evaluation of a class leave their return result somewhere, for instance,
>> > so that I could define a metaclass to do something with that result?
>> >
>> > Right now, I'm using the fragile workaround of
>> >
>> > ?_relationships = []
>> > ?def _store_relationship (x, rel):
>> > ? ? ?primary = inspect.stack()[2][0].f_code.co_name
>> > ? ? ?_relationships.append((primary, rel, x))
>> > ?is_a = lambda x: _store_relationship(x, "is-a")
>> >
>> > If I was willing to use Python 3, I could use class decorators instead,
>> > I suppose. ?But I'd like to nest these declarations inside the class
>> > definition if I can.
>> >
>> > Any ideas would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Bill
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> > Baypiggies at python.org
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>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From recursive.cookie.jar at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 09:10:12 2011
From: recursive.cookie.jar at gmail.com (Zachary Collins)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 03:10:12 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] puzzle: binding invocation context for a function
 call during a class declaration
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In general I think it is not possible without some other explitic
mechanism to determine the class calling context, because it doesn't
fit nicely into the overall system and doesn't have many valid uses.
Besides, you're asking Python to hand you a reference to a class
before it is made, even when it /might not be made/.  Remember that
because of meta classes and decorators and execution order, you can
perfectly execute an entire class and not end up instantiating any
class at all!  Better to solve the problem also in a way that is not
syntatically confusing to a normal python user.  How is it obviously
that invoking a function inside a class definition has side effects to
that class?  Isn't that what meta classes, decorators, and assignment
operators are supposed to be in the first place?

I know it sounds combative, but what I'm getting at is: I think that
in your pursuit of copying another language's syntax, you're avoiding
better python solutions.

2010/12/31 Steve Hindle <mech422 at gmail.com>:
> Bah - told ya I was half asleep... your not gonna get cls since your
> not explicitly passing it...
> Hmm - this one's gonna need more coffee :-)
>
> Steve
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com> wrote:
>> You're suggesting I do everything with attributes. ?Yes, that's a possibility,
>> but it doesn't really answer the question I raised, which is about capturing the
>> invocation context for a function call that happens during the definition of a
>> class.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> Zachary Collins <recursive.cookie.jar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You're trying to create more complicated symantics than is necessary
>>> to solve this problem.
>>>
>>> How about
>>> class Foo (Concept):
>>> ? things_i_am = [A, B]
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> 2010/12/31 Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com>:
>>> > I'm puzzling out how one would ape a declarative language in Python.
>>> > For instance, take a language that has declarations like
>>> >
>>> > ?concept Foo {
>>> > ? ?is-a A;
>>> > ? ?is-a B;
>>> > ? ?part-of X;
>>> >
>>> > ? ?public int counter;
>>> > ? ?public analogue bar;
>>> > ?}
>>> >
>>> > ?expression Bletch {
>>> >
>>> > ? ?expresses Foo;
>>> >
>>> > ? ?counter = 3;
>>> > ?}
>>> >
>>> > where "concept", "public", "is-a", "part-of", "int", "analogue",
>>> > "expression", and "expresses" are all keywords.
>>> >
>>> > Since it's largely declarative, I'd naturally express it in Python as a
>>> > set of class declarations:
>>> >
>>> > ?from mylang import is_a, part_of, Concept, Expression, attribute, public, analogue, expresses
>>> >
>>> > ?class Foo (Concept):
>>> >
>>> > ? ?is_a(A);
>>> > ? ?is_a(B);
>>> > ? ?part_of(X);
>>> >
>>> > ? ?counter = attribute(public, int)
>>> > ? ?bar = attribute(public, analogue)
>>> >
>>> > ?class Bletch (Expression):
>>> >
>>> > ? ?expresses(Foo)
>>> > ? ?counter = 3
>>> >
>>> > Now, my question is, how can I capture the invocation context of a
>>> > function, so that I can know that "is_a(A)" is being called as part of
>>> > the definition of class "Foo"? ?Do functions called during the
>>> > evaluation of a class leave their return result somewhere, for instance,
>>> > so that I could define a metaclass to do something with that result?
>>> >
>>> > Right now, I'm using the fragile workaround of
>>> >
>>> > ?_relationships = []
>>> > ?def _store_relationship (x, rel):
>>> > ? ? ?primary = inspect.stack()[2][0].f_code.co_name
>>> > ? ? ?_relationships.append((primary, rel, x))
>>> > ?is_a = lambda x: _store_relationship(x, "is-a")
>>> >
>>> > If I was willing to use Python 3, I could use class decorators instead,
>>> > I suppose. ?But I'd like to nest these declarations inside the class
>>> > definition if I can.
>>> >
>>> > Any ideas would be appreciated.
>>> >
>>> > Bill
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>> >
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From tim at timhatch.com  Sat Jan  1 19:02:51 2011
From: tim at timhatch.com (Tim Hatch)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:02:51 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] puzzle: binding invocation context for a function
 call	during a class declaration
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>   class Bletch (Expression):
> 
>     expresses(Foo)
>     counter = 3

It took me a second to remember where I'd seen that syntax before.  It's
how Trac handles its component registry -- for example
http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/trac/attachment.py?marks=352-357#L348

The code behind it is at
http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/trac/core.py?marks=86-169#L84 and
appears to be using stack introspection as well.

Tim

From itz at buug.org  Sun Jan  2 00:07:22 2011
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 15:07:22 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] pickle misbehavior
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	of "Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:32:01 -0800")
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Aahz> Sorry, no time to backtrack to the earlier post, but did you make
Aahz> sure that the pickle was *written* in binary mode?

According to the root article of the thread, the answer is yes.

Vikram, have you ever solved this?

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From janssen at parc.com  Wed Jan  5 00:42:14 2011
From: janssen at parc.com (Bill Janssen)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:42:14 PST
Subject: [Baypiggies] puzzle: binding invocation context for a function
	call during a class declaration
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Tim Hatch <tim at timhatch.com> wrote:

> >   class Bletch (Expression):
> > 
> >     expresses(Foo)
> >     counter = 3
> 
> It took me a second to remember where I'd seen that syntax before.  It's
> how Trac handles its component registry -- for example
> http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/trac/attachment.py?marks=352-357#L348
> 
> The code behind it is at
> http://trac.edgewall.org/browser/trunk/trac/core.py?marks=86-169#L84 and
> appears to be using stack introspection as well.

Ah, another use case.  Thanks, Tim.

Bill

From janssen at parc.com  Wed Jan  5 00:48:39 2011
From: janssen at parc.com (Bill Janssen)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 15:48:39 PST
Subject: [Baypiggies] puzzle: binding invocation context for a function
	call during a class declaration
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Zachary Collins <recursive.cookie.jar at gmail.com> wrote:

> In general I think it is not possible without some other explitic
> mechanism to determine the class calling context, because it doesn't
> fit nicely into the overall system and doesn't have many valid uses.
> Besides, you're asking Python to hand you a reference to a class
> before it is made, even when it /might not be made/.

This is one of these load/compile/eval questions, I guess.

Just during the definition of the class, *something* has to be made.
There must be a new local context that's created by the "class"
statement, into which new variable assignments are put.  Now, what
eventually happens to those is determined by a larger context, indeed.

But what I think I'd like to have is a better way of adding information
to the set of stuff the metaclass has when it decides what to do with
__new__().  A way to scribble on the class declaration context in a
structured way.

>  Remember that
> because of meta classes and decorators and execution order, you can
> perfectly execute an entire class and not end up instantiating any
> class at all!  Better to solve the problem also in a way that is not
> syntatically confusing to a normal python user.  How is it obviously
> that invoking a function inside a class definition has side effects to
> that class?  Isn't that what meta classes, decorators, and assignment
> operators are supposed to be in the first place?
>
> I know it sounds combative, but what I'm getting at is: I think that
> in your pursuit of copying another language's syntax, you're avoiding
> better python solutions.

Sure, I hear you.  But while that's a fine way to go, I'm interested in
seeing what parts of Python could be beefed up in order to better use it
as a foundation for declarative languages.

Bill

From eric at ericwalstad.com  Wed Jan  5 06:56:52 2011
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:56:52 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Currency to Words or how to print checks...
Message-ID: <AANLkTiksGSBn6eB=B9ZLAU-ZFm9hbEDf7XrPN6zv7qyU@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I'm blowing the dust off this ancient New Years resolution of mine:

  * Add the ability to print checks to my accounting software

I'm using ReportLab to generate a pdf file and I have everything
working except the 'word form' of the check amount.  I found some
examples on SO[0] but it's clear I'd need to tweak that to work.  I
found pynum2word on SF[1] which looks promising with nice looking code
except that it seems to have an issue with floating point:

In [11]: n2w.to_cardinal(1234.56)
Out[11]: 'one thousand, two hundred and thirty-four point five five'

For my app, I want the output to be:
'one thousand, two hundred thirty-four and 56/100'

I can edit pynum2word to make it do what I want but I figured I'd ask
if any of you know of other/better approaches.

Thanks in advance,

Eric.
[0] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/309884/code-golf-number-to-words
[1] http://sf.net/projects/pynum2word/

From pivanov314 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 07:48:36 2011
From: pivanov314 at gmail.com (Paul Ivanov)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:48:36 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Currency to Words or how to print checks...
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Eric Walstad, on 2011-01-04 21:56,  wrote:
> I found pynum2word on SF[1] which looks promising with nice
> looking code except that it seems to have an issue with
> floating point:
> 
> In [11]: n2w.to_cardinal(1234.56)
> Out[11]: 'one thousand, two hundred and thirty-four point five five'

Yeah, that's coming from floating point representation.
In [9]: 1234.56
Out[13]: 1234.5599999999999

but you can easily amend the n2w string to fix this for you:

In [11]: def correct_cents(num,s):
   ....:     s = s[:s.index("point")]
   ....:     s += "and %d/100" % int(num*100%100)
   ....:     return s
   ....: 


In [12]: correct_cents(1234.56,'one thousand, two hundred and thirty-four point five five')
Out[12]: 'one thousand, two hundred and thirty-four and 56/100'

Here's my 56 character code-golf version of the above:

In [12]: c=lambda n,s:s[:s.find("p")]+"and %d/100"%int(n*100%100)
In [13]: c(1234.56,'one thousand, two hundred and thirty-four point five five')
Out[13]: 'one thousand, two hundred and thirty-four and 56/100'

best,
-- 
Paul Ivanov
314 address only used for lists,  off-list direct email at:
http://pirsquared.org | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7 
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From ken at seehart.com  Wed Jan  5 10:41:26 2011
From: ken at seehart.com (Ken Seehart)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 01:41:26 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Calling presenters for 2011
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDHy5ea6oie-M+Rwvy+WcM6o5NqyJEv0GE=Knq@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimDHy5ea6oie-M+Rwvy+WcM6o5NqyJEv0GE=Knq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D243CC6.9080602@seehart.com>

On 12/22/2010 9:52 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:
> Since someone kicked off a thread regarding unit test frameworks and
> since there were so many replies,
> who wants to pony up to do a presentation in early 2011?
>
> I think we have someone for January- so Feb-Dec is wide open.
> Do I have any takers ????
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

I'm doing a poster at PYCON.  I'm not available on the Jan 27 
baypiggies, but if Feb 24 is open, I can give a preview then.  Otherwise 
perhaps a postview....


  GPU computing and the Next Generation Air Transportation System

At this poster you will learn about a set of open source tools for GPU 
computing using python based on ctypes. These tools provide lots of 
glue, combining elements of python <=> pyglet <=> CUDA <=> C# <=> 
Django. You will see how we use these tools in our Next Generation Air 
Transportation work.

*Type*: Poster

NextGen AeroSciences, LLC <http://www.NextAero.com/> NextGen 
AeroSciences, LLC, is working with colleagues at NASA, NIA, and other US 
Government and related organizations in support of national efforts to 
transform the US air transportation system. The Company builds on its 
founders' contributions in applied research in complexity and network 
sciences, computationally efficient combinatorial mathematics, and in 
air transportation system strategies, technologies, and innovation 
management. The founders bring a heritage from the Santa Fe Institute, 
NASA, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Bios Group, and DayJet Corporation.

job control panel 
<http://www.nextsciences.com/Assets/job_panel_screen.jpg> 200 aircraft 
<http://www.nextsciences.com/Assets/aerodisplay_screen.jpg>


    The following tools (and possibly others) will be described:

    * ct_cuda provides a ctypes interface to CUDA. This approach offers
      a lightweight alternative to pycuda. ct_cuda does not require a
      build; a relief for those who consider ctypes a preferable
      alternative to python extension wrapper libraries. Another
      difference is that kernels are built in the standard CUDA-C manner
      and exposed to python as kernel libraries via ctypes.

    * boaracuda consists of glue to make CUDA accessible to a pyglet
      app. Among other benefits, this allows a CUDA kernel to operate on
      pyglet based vertex lists. This approach enables fast-time
      animation tens of thousands of sprites in pyglet with trajectories
      calculated in a CUDA kernel. (Etymology hint: boar=pyglet)

    * ct_sharp makes a python shell available to C#, suitable for
      launching a pyglet control thread.

    * cuda_sharp makes CUDA available to C# and provides
      interoperability between C# and python (e.g. passing CUDA buffers
      between C# and python)

    * A system for launching remote CUDA jobs from a Django application
      will also be described.

The implementation of this software architecture provides the means for 
understanding, designing, and ultimately operating complex adaptive 
systems such as in air transportation.

*Audience level*: Experienced

*Submitting speaker*: Ken Seehart




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From janssen at parc.com  Wed Jan  5 18:41:50 2011
From: janssen at parc.com (Bill Janssen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 09:41:50 PST
Subject: [Baypiggies] puzzle: binding invocation context for a function
	call during a class declaration
In-Reply-To: <45251.1293826195@parc.com>
References: <45251.1293826195@parc.com>
Message-ID: <85715.1294249310@parc.com>

Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com> wrote:

> I'm puzzling out how one would ape a declarative language in Python.
> For instance, take a language that has declarations like
> 
>   concept Foo {
>     is-a A;
>     is-a B;
>     part-of X;
> 
>     public int counter;
>     public analogue bar;
>   }
> 
>   expression Bletch {
> 
>     expresses Foo;
> 
>     counter = 3;
>   }
> 
> where "concept", "public", "is-a", "part-of", "int", "analogue",
> "expression", and "expresses" are all keywords.
> 
> Since it's largely declarative, I'd naturally express it in Python as a
> set of class declarations:
> 
>   from mylang import is_a, part_of, Concept, Expression, attribute, public, analogue, expresses
> 
>   class Foo (Concept):
> 
>     is_a(A);
>     is_a(B);
>     part_of(X);
> 
>     counter = attribute(public, int)
>     bar = attribute(public, analogue)
> 
>   class Bletch (Expression):
> 
>     expresses(Foo)
>     counter = 3

I think I've figured out what I need here.

First of all, I'm not going to execute this "code", so I don't need
things to work at execution time.  What I need is the compiler, and
the resulting AST.  If you look at the AST for the following:

   class Foo (Bar):

      is_a(Bletch)

you get this:

  Module(None,
    Stmt([Class('Foo', [Name('Bar')],
      None,
      Stmt([Discard(CallFunc(Name('is_a'), [Name('Bletch')], None, None))])
    )]
  ))

So the interpreter for "mylang" could just run the compiler, and
interpret the AST here, and it would have the info I want to pass.

Thanks for the discussion!

Bill

From tony at tcapp.com  Wed Jan  5 19:16:06 2011
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:16:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: O'Reilly Strata Conference Discount
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=2Wa56065_nWtOueoM3Y7o1VaXd_RmWoq-7aLZ@mail.gmail.com>

For those going to the Strata Conference  February 1-3, 2011 in Santa Clara,
O'Reilly has passed on a %30 discount on the registration price.
Use the link below.

Coming up February 1-3, 2011 in Santa Clara, CA, O'Reilly is hosting the
Strata Conference.  We'd like to offer your user group one free conferences
only pass to raffle off or give away as you wish.   Here's the discount
information to share in an email with your group members:
The O'Reilly Strata Conference is happening February 1-3, 2011 in Santa
Clara, CA. User Group members get 30% off the registration price with code
"str11usrg". Register here: http://strataconf.com/strata2011

http://ug.oreilly.com/

Clever Hacks. Creative Ideas. Innovative Solutions.
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From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 20:22:28 2011
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 11:22:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Free conference-only pass from O'Reilly for the
	O'Reilly Strata Conference
Message-ID: <AANLkTimquUSdgW3mOmEb_rAs64Fq06cp_TUzp30ZPtVN@mail.gmail.com>

O'Reilly is graciously giving one lucky member of Baypiggies a free
conference-only pass to O'Reilly Strata Conference is happening February
1-3, 2011 in Santa Clara, CA.

We will be holding a raffle at the Baypiggies meeting on January 27, 2011
for the pass.

You must be present to win.

If you have a business card please bring one to the meeting.

If you don't have a business card, please bring a small piece of paper with
your name and email address >>> typed <<< on the paper.

I will forward the winner's contact information to O'Reilly and that person
will be contacted regarding the pass.


A BIG Baypiggies THANK YOU and Happy New Year to O'Reilly for providing us
with discounts, passes, review books and all the other goodies we have
received over the years!
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From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 22:25:22 2011
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:25:22 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a Newbie Nugget for the January Meeting
Message-ID: <AANLkTinp1ei8P+tipkQrwm4zy_9TPijuSATOoy-sGrKN@mail.gmail.com>

Who wants to be the first nugeteer for the New Year?

Please post your ideas to the list.

Thanks
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 05:13:39 2011
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 09:43:39 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Dp4RR6kuc2ztWPQQL6508BpWAhkHb9X04xj9n@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have gone through Collective Intelligence and Python text Processing with
NLTK, and was wondering whether there is any suggested reading to get into
deeper depths in statistical machine learning - something which gives a
'basic' introduction to mixture models , EM etc.

-Venkat
http://blizzardzblogs.blogspot.com/
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From vtuite at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  6 05:36:27 2011
From: vtuite at yahoo.com (Vicky Tuite)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:36:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Topic for Newbie Nuggets
Message-ID: <383468.68242.qm@web39701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I watched a talk on blip tv by a guy from the Atlanta Python group (not a pycon 
video)
He talked about zip() and default dicts  (and some other stuff)

Since I hadn't even heard of these before, I think one or both would be good 
topics.



      
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 05:46:36 2011
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:16:36 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Dp4RR6kuc2ztWPQQL6508BpWAhkHb9X04xj9n@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Dp4RR6kuc2ztWPQQL6508BpWAhkHb9X04xj9n@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=TDAXX25k8Xkxji_9Rk-pxyWCriQF1a2_1qh5n@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I have gone through Collective Intelligence and Python text Processing with
> NLTK, and was wondering whether there is any suggested reading to get into
> deeper depths in statistical machine learning - something which gives a
> 'basic' introduction to mixture models , EM etc.
>

Let me expatiate a little more before you point me to the Measuring Measure
link or Andy Ng classes : I have seen them and have attended the first 3
lectures of Andy. I also went through courses taught at MIT(via OCW) and
Jordan's classes(UCB) - but most of these stuff are heavy theoretical - not
that I am against theory, but i want some hands-on to understand how theory
is implemented.
For eg. PythonTextProcessingUsingNLTK does a great job in understanding
various aspects of text processing by playing with text parallely. Is there
something similar to understand kernel methods or mixture models?
To give you one more idea, i asked this question in
stackoverflow<http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/5960/how-to-identify-a-bimodal-distribution>.Working(handson)
on data while understanding/learning them is a great way to learn :)
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 05:53:44 2011
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:23:44 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Topic for Newbie Nuggets
In-Reply-To: <383468.68242.qm@web39701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <383468.68242.qm@web39701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=-X28wWdV1s6TukYSrZjMDKM1T42eq+FoWYGF6@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Vicky Tuite <vtuite at yahoo.com> wrote:

> He talked about zip() and default dicts  (and some other stuff)
>

Iterools is cool. I spent some
time<http://blizzardzblogs.blogspot.com/2010/12/evening-with-pythons-itertool-module.html>with
it recently.
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From alexandre.conrad at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 06:25:09 2011
From: alexandre.conrad at gmail.com (Alexandre Conrad)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:25:09 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Topic for Newbie Nuggets
In-Reply-To: <383468.68242.qm@web39701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <383468.68242.qm@web39701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikj2adZcvbymvFWgR1ngo_BOQq453pW1xdu+Q1k@mail.gmail.com>

2011/1/5 Vicky Tuite <vtuite at yahoo.com>:
> I watched a talk on blip tv by a guy from the Atlanta Python group (not a
> pycon video)
> He talked about zip() and default dicts? (and some other stuff)

Glen gave a defaultdict Newbie Nugget talk last August.

-- 
Alex | twitter.com/alexconrad

From wescpy at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 06:30:28 2011
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:30:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Calling presenters for 2011
In-Reply-To: <4D243CC6.9080602@seehart.com>
References: <AANLkTimDHy5ea6oie-M+Rwvy+WcM6o5NqyJEv0GE=Knq@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D243CC6.9080602@seehart.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==4LCcFxvc4dZC3K0+inzwFLx=nwV8VAUBV=Cp@mail.gmail.com>

as usual, i'm available for "emergency" talks, as when a speaker doesn't
show up or cancels at the last-minute. i currently have canned talks on the
following topics, some of which i've already delivered to BayPIGgies in the
past decade:

- Python 2 vs. Python 3
- Network Programming using Sockets
- Google App Engine (lecture)
- Google App Engine (workshop)
- doctest
- What is Python? (for all-newbie nights which we used to have)
- Experiences developing medical software with Python
- Writing books using Python and open source
- panel: so you want to write a Python book?
- Introduction to programming (complete newbies) - for adults
- Introduction to programming (complete newbies) - for 2ndary school
- Programming Microsoft Office using Python
- Intro to Django
- Python's Memory Model
- Comprehensions & stuff (listcomps, genexps, setcomps, dictcomps, etc.)
- GUI programming with Tkinter

you pick, and i talk. :-)

cheers,
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com
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From wescpy at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 07:02:20 2011
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:02:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tutorials at PyCon 2011 in Atlanta
Message-ID: <AANLkTinBkatCGkPiowB8grbrGRqCoDRU8geJk+HiRp=6@mail.gmail.com>

this year's PyCon features another compelling list of accepted tutorials,
suitable for all levels of Python skill & experience. tutorials are a great
tradition at PyCon and come at a great bargain. the fees are separate from
the conference itself so you can attend just the tutorials if you wish... of
course we recommend you take in all that PyCon has to offer, but in case
that's not an option for you, the tutorials are more than worth it.

list of accepted tutorials:
http://us.pycon.org/2011/blog/2011/01/05/tutorials-announced-pycon-2011/

<http://us.pycon.org/2011/blog/2011/01/05/tutorials-announced-pycon-2011/>more
comprehensive descriptions:
http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/tutorials/

<http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/tutorials/>pricing:
http://us.pycon.org/2011/tickets/

<http://us.pycon.org/2011/tickets/>cheers,
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com
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From pivanov314 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 07:52:52 2011
From: pivanov314 at gmail.com (Paul Ivanov)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:52:52 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=TDAXX25k8Xkxji_9Rk-pxyWCriQF1a2_1qh5n@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Dp4RR6kuc2ztWPQQL6508BpWAhkHb9X04xj9n@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=TDAXX25k8Xkxji_9Rk-pxyWCriQF1a2_1qh5n@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110106065252.GH13518@ykcyc>

Venkatraman S, on 2011-01-06 10:16,  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > I have gone through Collective Intelligence and Python text Processing with
> > NLTK, and was wondering whether there is any suggested reading to get into
> > deeper depths in statistical machine learning - something which gives a
> > 'basic' introduction to mixture models , EM etc.
> >
> 
> Let me expatiate a little more before you point me to the Measuring Measure
> link or Andy Ng classes : I have seen them and have attended the first 3
> lectures of Andy. I also went through courses taught at MIT(via OCW) and
> Jordan's classes(UCB) - but most of these stuff are heavy theoretical - not
> that I am against theory, but i want some hands-on to understand how theory
> is implemented.
> For eg. PythonTextProcessingUsingNLTK does a great job in understanding
> various aspects of text processing by playing with text parallely. Is there
> something similar to understand kernel methods or mixture models?
> To give you one more idea, i asked this question in
> stackoverflow<http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/5960/how-to-identify-a-bimodal-distribution>.Working(handson)
> on data while understanding/learning them is a great way to learn :)

I was the TA for Vision Science 265 - Bruno Olshausen's Neural
Computation course[1] this past semester at UCB: 

    This course provides an introduction to the theory of neural
    computation. The goal is to familiarize students with the
    major theoretical frameworks and models used in neuroscience
    and psychology, and to provide hands-on experience in using
    these models. Topics include neural network models,
    supervised and unsupervised learning rules, associative
    memory models, probabilistic/graphical models, sensorimotor
    loops, and models of neural coding in the brain.

It was the first year we allowed the students to do the "lab"
assignments in Python, and I wrote up the templates for most of
them. The assignments involve little toy data sets and boiler
plate code to get you going - most students find them pretty
engaging (I know I did when I took the course 4 years ago).
Videos for all of the lectures are up on Archive.org and linnked
from [1]. Check the syllabus for the topics covered.

Also, although I have not read it - there's Stephen Marsland's
_Machine Learning: An Algorithmic Perspective_ [2], which comes
with a lot of python code, as well.

1. http://redwood.berkeley.edu/wiki/Vs265
2. http://www-ist.massey.ac.nz/smarsland/MLbook.html

best,
-- 
Paul Ivanov
314 address only used for lists,  off-list direct email at:
http://pirsquared.org | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7 
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From tony at tcapp.com  Thu Jan  6 08:00:41 2011
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:00:41 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Calling presenters for 2011
In-Reply-To: <4D243CC6.9080602@seehart.com>
References: <AANLkTimDHy5ea6oie-M+Rwvy+WcM6o5NqyJEv0GE=Knq@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D243CC6.9080602@seehart.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin8u=od9Hu9nfWHQYj1Hy3J4p8F52fzff1+71P3@mail.gmail.com>

+1, but I think this would have to be a full presentation, not a nugget.


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Ken Seehart <ken at seehart.com> wrote:

>  On 12/22/2010 9:52 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:
>
> Since someone kicked off a thread regarding unit test frameworks and
> since there were so many replies,
> who wants to pony up to do a presentation in early 2011?
>
> I think we have someone for January- so Feb-Dec is wide open.
> Do I have any takers ????
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>
> I'm doing a poster at PYCON.  I'm not available on the Jan 27 baypiggies,
> but if Feb 24 is open, I can give a preview then.  Otherwise perhaps a
> postview....
>
> GPU computing and the Next Generation Air Transportation System
> At this poster you will learn about a set of open source tools for GPU
> computing using python based on ctypes. These tools provide lots of glue,
> combining elements of python <=> pyglet <=> CUDA <=> C# <=> Django. You will
> see how we use these tools in our Next Generation Air Transportation work.
>
> *Type*: Poster
>
> NextGen AeroSciences, LLC <http://www.NextAero.com/> NextGen AeroSciences,
> LLC, is working with colleagues at NASA, NIA, and other US Government and
> related organizations in support of national efforts to transform the US air
> transportation system. The Company builds on its founders' contributions in
> applied research in complexity and network sciences, computationally
> efficient combinatorial mathematics, and in air transportation system
> strategies, technologies, and innovation management. The founders bring a
> heritage from the Santa Fe Institute, NASA, Los Alamos National Laboratory,
> Bios Group, and DayJet Corporation.
>
> [image: job control panel]<http://www.nextsciences.com/Assets/job_panel_screen.jpg> [image:
> 200 aircraft] <http://www.nextsciences.com/Assets/aerodisplay_screen.jpg>
> The following tools (and possibly others) will be described:
>
>    - ct_cuda provides a ctypes interface to CUDA. This approach offers a
>    lightweight alternative to pycuda. ct_cuda does not require a build; a
>    relief for those who consider ctypes a preferable alternative to python
>    extension wrapper libraries. Another difference is that kernels are built in
>    the standard CUDA-C manner and exposed to python as kernel libraries via
>    ctypes.
>
>
>    - boaracuda consists of glue to make CUDA accessible to a pyglet app.
>    Among other benefits, this allows a CUDA kernel to operate on pyglet based
>    vertex lists. This approach enables fast-time animation tens of thousands of
>    sprites in pyglet with trajectories calculated in a CUDA kernel. (Etymology
>    hint: boar=pyglet)
>
>
>    - ct_sharp makes a python shell available to C#, suitable for launching
>    a pyglet control thread.
>
>
>    - cuda_sharp makes CUDA available to C# and provides interoperability
>    between C# and python (e.g. passing CUDA buffers between C# and python)
>
>
>    - A system for launching remote CUDA jobs from a Django application
>    will also be described.
>
> The implementation of this software architecture provides the means for
> understanding, designing, and ultimately operating complex adaptive systems
> such as in air transportation.
>
> *Audience level*: Experienced
>
> *Submitting speaker*: Ken Seehart
>
>
>
>
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From tony at tcapp.com  Thu Jan  6 08:01:24 2011
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:01:24 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Calling presenters for 2011
In-Reply-To: <4D243CC6.9080602@seehart.com>
References: <AANLkTimDHy5ea6oie-M+Rwvy+WcM6o5NqyJEv0GE=Knq@mail.gmail.com>
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February is already taken though..
Let us know if you are available for another month,

Thanks

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Ken Seehart <ken at seehart.com> wrote:

>  On 12/22/2010 9:52 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:
>
> Since someone kicked off a thread regarding unit test frameworks and
> since there were so many replies,
> who wants to pony up to do a presentation in early 2011?
>
> I think we have someone for January- so Feb-Dec is wide open.
> Do I have any takers ????
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>
> I'm doing a poster at PYCON.  I'm not available on the Jan 27 baypiggies,
> but if Feb 24 is open, I can give a preview then.  Otherwise perhaps a
> postview....
>
> GPU computing and the Next Generation Air Transportation System
> At this poster you will learn about a set of open source tools for GPU
> computing using python based on ctypes. These tools provide lots of glue,
> combining elements of python <=> pyglet <=> CUDA <=> C# <=> Django. You will
> see how we use these tools in our Next Generation Air Transportation work.
>
> *Type*: Poster
>
> NextGen AeroSciences, LLC <http://www.NextAero.com/> NextGen AeroSciences,
> LLC, is working with colleagues at NASA, NIA, and other US Government and
> related organizations in support of national efforts to transform the US air
> transportation system. The Company builds on its founders' contributions in
> applied research in complexity and network sciences, computationally
> efficient combinatorial mathematics, and in air transportation system
> strategies, technologies, and innovation management. The founders bring a
> heritage from the Santa Fe Institute, NASA, Los Alamos National Laboratory,
> Bios Group, and DayJet Corporation.
>
> [image: job control panel]<http://www.nextsciences.com/Assets/job_panel_screen.jpg> [image:
> 200 aircraft] <http://www.nextsciences.com/Assets/aerodisplay_screen.jpg>
> The following tools (and possibly others) will be described:
>
>    - ct_cuda provides a ctypes interface to CUDA. This approach offers a
>    lightweight alternative to pycuda. ct_cuda does not require a build; a
>    relief for those who consider ctypes a preferable alternative to python
>    extension wrapper libraries. Another difference is that kernels are built in
>    the standard CUDA-C manner and exposed to python as kernel libraries via
>    ctypes.
>
>
>    - boaracuda consists of glue to make CUDA accessible to a pyglet app.
>    Among other benefits, this allows a CUDA kernel to operate on pyglet based
>    vertex lists. This approach enables fast-time animation tens of thousands of
>    sprites in pyglet with trajectories calculated in a CUDA kernel. (Etymology
>    hint: boar=pyglet)
>
>
>    - ct_sharp makes a python shell available to C#, suitable for launching
>    a pyglet control thread.
>
>
>    - cuda_sharp makes CUDA available to C# and provides interoperability
>    between C# and python (e.g. passing CUDA buffers between C# and python)
>
>
>    - A system for launching remote CUDA jobs from a Django application
>    will also be described.
>
> The implementation of this software architecture provides the means for
> understanding, designing, and ultimately operating complex adaptive systems
> such as in air transportation.
>
> *Audience level*: Experienced
>
> *Submitting speaker*: Ken Seehart
>
>
>
>
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From xdevice at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 20:46:21 2011
From: xdevice at gmail.com (Rana Biswas)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:46:21 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
In-Reply-To: <20110106065252.GH13518@ykcyc>
References: <AANLkTi=Dp4RR6kuc2ztWPQQL6508BpWAhkHb9X04xj9n@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=TDAXX25k8Xkxji_9Rk-pxyWCriQF1a2_1qh5n@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110106065252.GH13518@ykcyc>
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I would suggest following books:

Pattern Recognition and Machine Learning
<http://www.amazon.com/Pattern-Recognition-Learning-Information-Statistics/dp/0387310738/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b>
The Elements of Statistical
Learning<http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Statistical-Learning-Prediction-Statistics/dp/0387848576/ref=pd_rhf_shvl_3>
Introduction to Data
Mining<http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Data-Mining-Pang-Ning-Tan/dp/0321321367/ref=pd_sim_b_6>


Good Luck.

--Rana




On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Paul Ivanov <pivanov314 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Venkatraman S, on 2011-01-06 10:16,  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I have gone through Collective Intelligence and Python text Processing
> with
> > > NLTK, and was wondering whether there is any suggested reading to get
> into
> > > deeper depths in statistical machine learning - something which gives a
> > > 'basic' introduction to mixture models , EM etc.
> > >
> >
> > Let me expatiate a little more before you point me to the Measuring
> Measure
> > link or Andy Ng classes : I have seen them and have attended the first 3
> > lectures of Andy. I also went through courses taught at MIT(via OCW) and
> > Jordan's classes(UCB) - but most of these stuff are heavy theoretical -
> not
> > that I am against theory, but i want some hands-on to understand how
> theory
> > is implemented.
> > For eg. PythonTextProcessingUsingNLTK does a great job in understanding
> > various aspects of text processing by playing with text parallely. Is
> there
> > something similar to understand kernel methods or mixture models?
> > To give you one more idea, i asked this question in
> > stackoverflow<
> http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/5960/how-to-identify-a-bimodal-distribution
> >.Working(handson)
> > on data while understanding/learning them is a great way to learn :)
>
> I was the TA for Vision Science 265 - Bruno Olshausen's Neural
> Computation course[1] this past semester at UCB:
>
>    This course provides an introduction to the theory of neural
>    computation. The goal is to familiarize students with the
>    major theoretical frameworks and models used in neuroscience
>    and psychology, and to provide hands-on experience in using
>    these models. Topics include neural network models,
>    supervised and unsupervised learning rules, associative
>    memory models, probabilistic/graphical models, sensorimotor
>    loops, and models of neural coding in the brain.
>
> It was the first year we allowed the students to do the "lab"
> assignments in Python, and I wrote up the templates for most of
> them. The assignments involve little toy data sets and boiler
> plate code to get you going - most students find them pretty
> engaging (I know I did when I took the course 4 years ago).
> Videos for all of the lectures are up on Archive.org and linnked
> from [1]. Check the syllabus for the topics covered.
>
> Also, although I have not read it - there's Stephen Marsland's
> _Machine Learning: An Algorithmic Perspective_ [2], which comes
> with a lot of python code, as well.
>
> 1. http://redwood.berkeley.edu/wiki/Vs265
> 2. http://www-ist.massey.ac.nz/smarsland/MLbook.html
>
> best,
> --
> Paul Ivanov
> 314 address only used for lists,  off-list direct email at:
> http://pirsquared.org | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7
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From chris.leemesser at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 22:54:27 2011
From: chris.leemesser at gmail.com (Christopher Lee-Messer)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 13:54:27 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinCue=WUtaDJbfjoDWFS-GYWQ7hpj90WSMHF7HX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Dp4RR6kuc2ztWPQQL6508BpWAhkHb9X04xj9n@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=TDAXX25k8Xkxji_9Rk-pxyWCriQF1a2_1qh5n@mail.gmail.com>
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The nice thing about The Elements of Statistical Learning is that it
is free to download from the publisher. However, it is not a pure
hands-on/workbook style book.  I think there are code samples in R and
test data sets for it.
-chris

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Rana Biswas <xdevice at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would suggest following books:
> Pattern Recognition and Machine Learning
> The Elements of Statistical Learning
> Introduction to Data Mining
>
> Good Luck.
> --Rana
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Paul Ivanov <pivanov314 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Venkatraman S, on 2011-01-06 10:16, ?wrote:
>> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I have gone through Collective Intelligence and Python text Processing
>> > > with
>> > > NLTK, and was wondering whether there is any suggested reading to get
>> > > into
>> > > deeper depths in statistical machine learning - something which gives
>> > > a
>> > > 'basic' introduction to mixture models , EM etc.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Let me expatiate a little more before you point me to the Measuring
>> > Measure
>> > link or Andy Ng classes : I have seen them and have attended the first 3
>> > lectures of Andy. I also went through courses taught at MIT(via OCW) and
>> > Jordan's classes(UCB) - but most of these stuff are heavy theoretical -
>> > not
>> > that I am against theory, but i want some hands-on to understand how
>> > theory
>> > is implemented.
>> > For eg. PythonTextProcessingUsingNLTK does a great job in understanding
>> > various aspects of text processing by playing with text parallely. Is
>> > there
>> > something similar to understand kernel methods or mixture models?
>> > To give you one more idea, i asked this question in
>> >
>> > stackoverflow<http://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/5960/how-to-identify-a-bimodal-distribution>.Working(handson)
>> > on data while understanding/learning them is a great way to learn :)
>>
>> I was the TA for Vision Science 265 - Bruno Olshausen's Neural
>> Computation course[1] this past semester at UCB:
>>
>> ? ?This course provides an introduction to the theory of neural
>> ? ?computation. The goal is to familiarize students with the
>> ? ?major theoretical frameworks and models used in neuroscience
>> ? ?and psychology, and to provide hands-on experience in using
>> ? ?these models. Topics include neural network models,
>> ? ?supervised and unsupervised learning rules, associative
>> ? ?memory models, probabilistic/graphical models, sensorimotor
>> ? ?loops, and models of neural coding in the brain.
>>
>> It was the first year we allowed the students to do the "lab"
>> assignments in Python, and I wrote up the templates for most of
>> them. The assignments involve little toy data sets and boiler
>> plate code to get you going - most students find them pretty
>> engaging (I know I did when I took the course 4 years ago).
>> Videos for all of the lectures are up on Archive.org and linnked
>> from [1]. Check the syllabus for the topics covered.
>>
>> Also, although I have not read it - there's Stephen Marsland's
>> _Machine Learning: An Algorithmic Perspective_ [2], which comes
>> with a lot of python code, as well.
>>
>> 1. http://redwood.berkeley.edu/wiki/Vs265
>> 2. http://www-ist.massey.ac.nz/smarsland/MLbook.html
>>
>> best,
>> --
>> Paul Ivanov
>> 314 address only used for lists, ?off-list direct email at:
>> http://pirsquared.org | GPG/PGP key id: 0x0F3E28F7
>>
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-- 
Christopher Lee-Messer MD PhD
Instructor in Pediatric Neurology
Postdoctoral Fellow - Deisseroth Lab
Stanford Medical Center
chris (at) lee-messer.net

From wescpy at gmail.com  Thu Jan  6 23:57:24 2011
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:57:24 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=m-x=u-FArYKt+uPVrNc5vQ_1-32n2c=aqmR35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Dp4RR6kuc2ztWPQQL6508BpWAhkHb9X04xj9n@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=TDAXX25k8Xkxji_9Rk-pxyWCriQF1a2_1qh5n@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110106065252.GH13518@ykcyc>
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	<AANLkTi=m-x=u-FArYKt+uPVrNc5vQ_1-32n2c=aqmR35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinF=ns7hKuug+sykWmzvOK7vx9YzY-0WB6Mggz+@mail.gmail.com>

not to hijack the topic or do any upselling, but Google has a Prediction API
which leverages multiple ML algorithms and makes them available to the
public for use in general apps:
http://code.google.com/apis/predict/

this is if you're interested in leveraging *existing* ML algorithms and not
studying them or coming up with one of your own. there is also more
feedback/info here:
http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2010/05/bigquery-and-prediction-api-get-more.html
http://www.thedatascientist.com/2010/05/22/how-i-would-use-the-google-prediction-api/
http://chariotsolutions.blogspot.com/2010/08/machine-learning-google-prediction-api.html

finally, examples for Python (and Java) can be found here:
http://code.google.com/apis/predict/docs/samples.html

cheers,
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
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From reginaldconley at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  7 04:58:38 2011
From: reginaldconley at sbcglobal.net (Reginald Conley)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:58:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] email interface module
Message-ID: <782140.62236.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,
????????? can anyone tell me if there are available Python modules that can 
manipulate an email?? Ideally I'm looking for a module that if I asigned a 
dedicated email address for it, could recieve an email, open the files and do a 
word search for specific fields extraction.?Is that reasonably possible?
????????? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I hear Python is very 
flexible, but I've got much more of a hardware background than software.
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jan  7 05:12:34 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 20:12:34 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] email interface module
In-Reply-To: <782140.62236.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <782140.62236.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20110107041233.GA5495@panix.com>

On Thu, Jan 06, 2011, Reginald Conley wrote:
>
> Hello,
> ????????? can anyone tell me if there are available Python modules that can 
> manipulate an email?? Ideally I'm looking for a module that if I asigned a 
> dedicated email address for it, could recieve an email, open the files and do a 
> word search for specific fields extraction.?Is that reasonably possible?
> ????????? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I hear Python is very 
> flexible, but I've got much more of a hardware background than software.

Maybe you want the email package and the mailbox module.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Think of it as evolution in action."  --Tony Rand

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 05:21:22 2011
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:51:22 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
In-Reply-To: <20110106065252.GH13518@ykcyc>
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Thanks guys for the suggestions. I find Stephen Marsland's
_Machine Learning: An Algorithmic Perspective_ to be *really* appealing.

The Google Book preview looks neat. But the book is EXPENSIVE! I do not
understand why textbooks are so darn costly!

On a lighter note, i searched this book in the web, but i found voidness
everywhere.
Am not sure whether the publishers would be game for a review copy.

-V
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 05:25:32 2011
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:55:32 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
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	<AANLkTi=TDAXX25k8Xkxji_9Rk-pxyWCriQF1a2_1qh5n@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110106065252.GH13518@ykcyc>
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And also i liked "A Concise Course in Statistical Inference"  by Larry
Wasserman to be one of the best books
for introductory and slightly advanced Statistics. The book simply *flows*
(though does not have the associated code,
but readability is very good).

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks guys for the suggestions. I find Stephen Marsland's
> _Machine Learning: An Algorithmic Perspective_ to be *really* appealing.
>
> The Google Book preview looks neat. But the book is EXPENSIVE! I do not
> understand why textbooks are so darn costly!
>
> On a lighter note, i searched this book in the web, but i found voidness
> everywhere.
> Am not sure whether the publishers would be game for a review copy.
>
> -V
>
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From ken at seehart.com  Fri Jan  7 06:30:16 2011
From: ken at seehart.com (Ken Seehart)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 21:30:16 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Calling presenters for 2011
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimy8NAf2XFYdg1bB7StOZXpeX=BKJ1gEW4jR6f2@mail.gmail.com>
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On 1/5/2011 11:00 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:
> +1, but I think this would have to be a full presentation, not a nugget.
Agreed.

On 1/5/2011 11:01 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:
> February is already taken though..
> Let us know if you are available for another month,
>
> Thanks
>
March, April, May look okay for me.  I'm guessing that a PYCON review 
would be more relevant for March, so perhaps I can do April or May....


> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Ken Seehart <ken at seehart.com 
> <http://seehart.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 12/22/2010 9:52 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:
>>     Since someone kicked off a thread regarding unit test frameworks and
>>     since there were so many replies,
>>     who wants to pony up to do a presentation in early 2011?
>>
>>     I think we have someone for January- so Feb-Dec is wide open.
>>     Do I have any takers ????
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Baypiggies mailing list
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>
>     I'm doing a poster at PYCON.  I'm not available on the Jan 27
>     baypiggies, but if Feb 24 is open, I can give a preview then. 
>     Otherwise perhaps a postview....
>
>
>       GPU computing and the Next Generation Air Transportation System
>
>     At this poster you will learn about a set of open source tools for
>     GPU computing using python based on ctypes. These tools provide
>     lots of glue, combining elements of python <=> pyglet <=> CUDA <=>
>     C# <=> Django. You will see how we use these tools in our Next
>     Generation Air Transportation work.
>
>     *Type*: Poster
>
>     NextGen AeroSciences, LLC <http://www.NextAero.com/> NextGen
>     AeroSciences, LLC, is working with colleagues at NASA, NIA, and
>     other US Government and related organizations in support of
>     national efforts to transform the US air transportation system.
>     The Company builds on its founders' contributions in applied
>     research in complexity and network sciences, computationally
>     efficient combinatorial mathematics, and in air transportation
>     system strategies, technologies, and innovation management. The
>     founders bring a heritage from the Santa Fe Institute, NASA, Los
>     Alamos National Laboratory, Bios Group, and DayJet Corporation.
>
>     job control panel
>     <http://www.nextsciences.com/Assets/job_panel_screen.jpg> 200
>     aircraft <http://www.nextsciences.com/Assets/aerodisplay_screen.jpg>
>
>
>         The following tools (and possibly others) will be described:
>
>         * ct_cuda provides a ctypes interface to CUDA. This approach
>           offers a lightweight alternative to pycuda. ct_cuda does not
>           require a build; a relief for those who consider ctypes a
>           preferable alternative to python extension wrapper
>           libraries. Another difference is that kernels are built in
>           the standard CUDA-C manner and exposed to python as kernel
>           libraries via ctypes.
>
>         * boaracuda consists of glue to make CUDA accessible to a
>           pyglet app. Among other benefits, this allows a CUDA kernel
>           to operate on pyglet based vertex lists. This approach
>           enables fast-time animation tens of thousands of sprites in
>           pyglet with trajectories calculated in a CUDA kernel.
>           (Etymology hint: boar=pyglet)
>
>         * ct_sharp makes a python shell available to C#, suitable for
>           launching a pyglet control thread.
>
>         * cuda_sharp makes CUDA available to C# and provides
>           interoperability between C# and python (e.g. passing CUDA
>           buffers between C# and python)
>
>         * A system for launching remote CUDA jobs from a Django
>           application will also be described.
>
>     The implementation of this software architecture provides the
>     means for understanding, designing, and ultimately operating
>     complex adaptive systems such as in air transportation.
>
>     *Audience level*: Experienced
>
>     *Submitting speaker*: Ken Seehart
>
>
>
>
>
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From ashish.makani at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 08:26:11 2011
From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 02:26:11 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Calling presenters for 2011
In-Reply-To: <4D26A4E8.3010505@seehart.com>
References: <AANLkTimDHy5ea6oie-M+Rwvy+WcM6o5NqyJEv0GE=Knq@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D243CC6.9080602@seehart.com>
	<AANLkTimy8NAf2XFYdg1bB7StOZXpeX=BKJ1gEW4jR6f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D26A4E8.3010505@seehart.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=4c+wQB8rAYam1bHeqydcU1SikjEO7sWwNXnTk@mail.gmail.com>

I am personally very passionate abt n/ws...so would love to learn abt n/w
programming in python with some real world examples from experienced folks

Network Programming using Sockets, sound (selfishly) appealing to me :D

cheers
ashish

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Ken Seehart <ken at seehart.com> wrote:

>  On 1/5/2011 11:00 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:
>
> +1, but I think this would have to be a full presentation, not a nugget.
>
> Agreed.
>
>
> On 1/5/2011 11:01 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:
>
> February is already taken though..
> Let us know if you are available for another month,
>
> Thanks
>
>  March, April, May look okay for me.  I'm guessing that a PYCON review
> would be more relevant for March, so perhaps I can do April or May....
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Ken Seehart <ken at seehart.com> wrote:
>
>>   On 12/22/2010 9:52 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:
>>
>> Since someone kicked off a thread regarding unit test frameworks and
>> since there were so many replies,
>> who wants to pony up to do a presentation in early 2011?
>>
>> I think we have someone for January- so Feb-Dec is wide open.
>> Do I have any takers ????
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>>
>> I'm doing a poster at PYCON.  I'm not available on the Jan 27 baypiggies,
>> but if Feb 24 is open, I can give a preview then.  Otherwise perhaps a
>> postview....
>>
>> GPU computing and the Next Generation Air Transportation System
>> At this poster you will learn about a set of open source tools for GPU
>> computing using python based on ctypes. These tools provide lots of glue,
>> combining elements of python <=> pyglet <=> CUDA <=> C# <=> Django. You will
>> see how we use these tools in our Next Generation Air Transportation work.
>>
>> *Type*: Poster
>>
>> NextGen AeroSciences, LLC <http://www.NextAero.com/> NextGen
>> AeroSciences, LLC, is working with colleagues at NASA, NIA, and other US
>> Government and related organizations in support of national efforts to
>> transform the US air transportation system. The Company builds on its
>> founders' contributions in applied research in complexity and network
>> sciences, computationally efficient combinatorial mathematics, and in air
>> transportation system strategies, technologies, and innovation management.
>> The founders bring a heritage from the Santa Fe Institute, NASA, Los Alamos
>> National Laboratory, Bios Group, and DayJet Corporation.
>>
>> [image: job control panel]<http://www.nextsciences.com/Assets/job_panel_screen.jpg> [image:
>> 200 aircraft] <http://www.nextsciences.com/Assets/aerodisplay_screen.jpg>
>> The following tools (and possibly others) will be described:
>>
>>    - ct_cuda provides a ctypes interface to CUDA. This approach offers a
>>    lightweight alternative to pycuda. ct_cuda does not require a build; a
>>    relief for those who consider ctypes a preferable alternative to python
>>    extension wrapper libraries. Another difference is that kernels are built in
>>    the standard CUDA-C manner and exposed to python as kernel libraries via
>>    ctypes.
>>
>>
>>    - boaracuda consists of glue to make CUDA accessible to a pyglet app.
>>    Among other benefits, this allows a CUDA kernel to operate on pyglet based
>>    vertex lists. This approach enables fast-time animation tens of thousands of
>>    sprites in pyglet with trajectories calculated in a CUDA kernel. (Etymology
>>    hint: boar=pyglet)
>>
>>
>>    - ct_sharp makes a python shell available to C#, suitable for
>>    launching a pyglet control thread.
>>
>>
>>    - cuda_sharp makes CUDA available to C# and provides interoperability
>>    between C# and python (e.g. passing CUDA buffers between C# and python)
>>
>>
>>    - A system for launching remote CUDA jobs from a Django application
>>    will also be described.
>>
>> The implementation of this software architecture provides the means for
>> understanding, designing, and ultimately operating complex adaptive systems
>> such as in air transportation.
>>
>> *Audience level*: Experienced
>>
>> *Submitting speaker*: Ken Seehart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>
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From ken at seehart.com  Fri Jan  7 16:31:43 2011
From: ken at seehart.com (Ken Seehart)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 07:31:43 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Boaracuda
Message-ID: <4D2731DF.4010500@seehart.com>

Here's a rare photograph of the elusive boaracuda in it's natural habitat...



BTW, is there a cartoon artists out there willing to contribute a cute 
mascot sketch based on this?
Remember: he has to look really cute, and friendly.  Maybe even cuddly, 
if possible.

Coincidentally, boaracuda is also the name of a glue package that 
facilitates interaction between
pyglet and cuda, to be released hopefully early in February.

Thanks,
Ken
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From itz at buug.org  Fri Jan  7 19:24:38 2011
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:24:38 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] email interface module
In-Reply-To: <782140.62236.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (Reginald Conley's
	message of "Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:58:38 -0800 (PST)")
References: <782140.62236.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87k4igshax.fsf@matica.localdomain>


Reginald> Hello, can anyone tell me if there are available Python
Reginald> modules that can manipulate an email?  Ideally I'm looking for
Reginald> a module that if I asigned a dedicated email address for it,
Reginald> could recieve an email, open the files and do a word search
Reginald> for specific fields extraction. Is that reasonably possible?
Reginald> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I hear Python is very
Reginald> flexible, but I've got much more of a hardware background than
Reginald> software.

What do you mean by "specific field extraction"?  Email header fields or
email body incl. MIME parts?

-- 
Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org>
gpg public key: 1024D/C6FF61AD 
fingerprint: 66DC D68F 5C1B 4D71 2EE5  BD03 8A00 786C C6FF 61AD
Ham is for reading, not for eating.

From wescpy at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 19:40:56 2011
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:40:56 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] email interface module
In-Reply-To: <20110107041233.GA5495@panix.com>
References: <782140.62236.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20110107041233.GA5495@panix.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinSTQZo9nzGD5CzmFPF68vQHdtQoOnBbfinoZpq@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 06, 2011, Reginald Conley wrote:
> >
> > ????????? can anyone tell me if there are available Python modules that
> can
> > manipulate an email?? Ideally I'm looking for a module that if I asigned
> a
> > dedicated email address for it, could recieve an email, open the files
> and do a
> > word search for specific fields extraction.?Is that reasonably possible?
> > ????????? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I hear Python is very
> > flexible, but I've got much more of a hardware background than software.
>
> Maybe you want the email package and the mailbox module.
>


those are great for parsing and assembling emails as well as managing
various mbox formats. on top of Aahz's suggestions, i would also add smtplib
for sending email and poplib/imaplib for downloading email.

hope this helps!
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

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python training and technical consulting
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From janssen at parc.com  Fri Jan  7 21:30:20 2011
From: janssen at parc.com (Bill Janssen)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:30:20 PST
Subject: [Baypiggies] email interface module
In-Reply-To: <782140.62236.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <782140.62236.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <64862.1294432220@parc.com>

Reginald Conley <reginaldconley at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> ????????? can anyone tell me if there are available Python modules that can 
> manipulate an email??

Well, there's mailbox and email...

> Ideally I'm looking for a module that if I asigned a 
> dedicated email address for it, could recieve an email,

That would be SMTP server-side support.  See
http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/smtpd/.  Now, assigning a "dedicated
email address" might be tricky; register a distinctive alias for the
machine on which you are running the smtpd server, and make your address
something like "foo at mydistinctivedomain.bar".

> open the files

Use the standard "email" module for this, using the data received from
the smtpd server.

> and do a word search for specific fields extraction.

I'd use PyLucene for this, but that's really overkill.  Python "re"
should work reasonably well for this.

> ?Is that reasonably possible?

Sure!

Bill

From brent.tubbs at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 03:57:38 2011
From: brent.tubbs at gmail.com (Brent Tubbs)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:57:38 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwdt3TqeTcv1cyKXzt5MjSxQOGpOnTq5s1Gyt_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Dp4RR6kuc2ztWPQQL6508BpWAhkHb9X04xj9n@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=TDAXX25k8Xkxji_9Rk-pxyWCriQF1a2_1qh5n@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110106065252.GH13518@ykcyc>
	<AANLkTimhOg1d5Ko+9Tv-UYj1Yin1S9zZNRvj7nEn6dTk@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimwdt3TqeTcv1cyKXzt5MjSxQOGpOnTq5s1Gyt_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinU63dQyCjMAS0g6O9j2mHOSyHkPWUvW=REL+kx@mail.gmail.com>

There's a class on machine learning starting at Hacker Dojo on the
22nd of this month.  Though they'll be using R rather than Python, I
thought I might be interested.  I plan to attend.

Brent

http://machinelearning101.pbworks.com/w/page/32890312/FrontPage

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> And also i liked "A Concise Course in Statistical Inference"? by Larry
> Wasserman to be one of the best books
> for introductory and slightly advanced Statistics. The book simply *flows*
> (though does not have the associated code,
> but readability is very good).
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks guys for the suggestions. I find Stephen Marsland's
>> _Machine Learning: An Algorithmic Perspective_ to be *really* appealing.
>>
>> The Google Book preview looks neat. But the book is EXPENSIVE! I do not
>> understand why textbooks are so darn costly!
>>
>> On a lighter note, i searched this book in the web, but i found voidness
>> everywhere.
>> Am not sure whether the publishers would be game for a review copy.
>>
>> -V
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From brent.tubbs at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 03:58:05 2011
From: brent.tubbs at gmail.com (Brent Tubbs)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 18:58:05 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinU63dQyCjMAS0g6O9j2mHOSyHkPWUvW=REL+kx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Dp4RR6kuc2ztWPQQL6508BpWAhkHb9X04xj9n@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=TDAXX25k8Xkxji_9Rk-pxyWCriQF1a2_1qh5n@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110106065252.GH13518@ykcyc>
	<AANLkTimhOg1d5Ko+9Tv-UYj1Yin1S9zZNRvj7nEn6dTk@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimwdt3TqeTcv1cyKXzt5MjSxQOGpOnTq5s1Gyt_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinU63dQyCjMAS0g6O9j2mHOSyHkPWUvW=REL+kx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimWv6PhFG0fxhhDLwweh0gL8CuzxJxzBY0Do=9K@mail.gmail.com>

That should be "though you might be interested". :)

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Brent Tubbs <brent.tubbs at gmail.com> wrote:
> There's a class on machine learning starting at Hacker Dojo on the
> 22nd of this month. ?Though they'll be using R rather than Python, I
> thought I might be interested. ?I plan to attend.
>
> Brent
>
> http://machinelearning101.pbworks.com/w/page/32890312/FrontPage
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> And also i liked "A Concise Course in Statistical Inference"? by Larry
>> Wasserman to be one of the best books
>> for introductory and slightly advanced Statistics. The book simply *flows*
>> (though does not have the associated code,
>> but readability is very good).
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks guys for the suggestions. I find Stephen Marsland's
>>> _Machine Learning: An Algorithmic Perspective_ to be *really* appealing.
>>>
>>> The Google Book preview looks neat. But the book is EXPENSIVE! I do not
>>> understand why textbooks are so darn costly!
>>>
>>> On a lighter note, i searched this book in the web, but i found voidness
>>> everywhere.
>>> Am not sure whether the publishers would be game for a review copy.
>>>
>>> -V
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat Jan  8 05:50:42 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 20:50:42 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimWv6PhFG0fxhhDLwweh0gL8CuzxJxzBY0Do=9K@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Dp4RR6kuc2ztWPQQL6508BpWAhkHb9X04xj9n@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=TDAXX25k8Xkxji_9Rk-pxyWCriQF1a2_1qh5n@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110106065252.GH13518@ykcyc>
	<AANLkTimhOg1d5Ko+9Tv-UYj1Yin1S9zZNRvj7nEn6dTk@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimwdt3TqeTcv1cyKXzt5MjSxQOGpOnTq5s1Gyt_@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinU63dQyCjMAS0g6O9j2mHOSyHkPWUvW=REL+kx@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimWv6PhFG0fxhhDLwweh0gL8CuzxJxzBY0Do=9K@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110108045042.GA14930@panix.com>

On Fri, Jan 07, 2011, Brent Tubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Brent Tubbs <brent.tubbs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There's a class on machine learning starting at Hacker Dojo on the
>> 22nd of this month. ?Though they'll be using R rather than Python, I
>> thought I might be interested.  I plan to attend.
>>
>> http://machinelearning101.pbworks.com/w/page/32890312/FrontPage
>
> That should be "though you might be interested". :)

"In Soviet Russia, language parses you."
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Think of it as evolution in action."  --Tony Rand

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 19:48:40 2011
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:48:40 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mac users using wxPython
Message-ID: <AANLkTikO_u93Y_gv8ER7hzUbd6db366nLDV9aD4D-QyF@mail.gmail.com>

I've just started using  a Mac w/OSX for the first time.
Everything I've installed up until now installed without problems.

While installing wxPython unicode for Python 2.7, and message was
displayed that an error occurred during the postflight script,
but nothing about the actual error.

Where is the logfile located which might tell me what happened?

Have any other wxUsers had this problem on the Mac?

Thanks

From eric at ericwalstad.com  Sun Jan  9 20:29:00 2011
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:29:00 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Currency to Words or how to print checks...
In-Reply-To: <20110105064836.GE9966@ykcyc>
References: <AANLkTiksGSBn6eB=B9ZLAU-ZFm9hbEDf7XrPN6zv7qyU@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110105064836.GE9966@ykcyc>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikn6N6ik+L=hcR--zjRRNhSE7GvsL8pbayHRgY7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul,

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Paul Ivanov <pivanov314 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Eric Walstad, on 2011-01-04 21:56, ?wrote:
>> I found pynum2word on SF[1] which looks promising with nice
>> looking code...

> In [11]: def correct_cents(num,s):
> ? ....: ? ? s = s[:s.index("point")]
> ? ....: ? ? s += "and %d/100" % int(num*100%100)
> ? ....: ? ? return s
> ? ....:
>
>
> In [12]: correct_cents(1234.56,'one thousand, two hundred and thirty-four point five five')
> Out[12]: 'one thousand, two hundred and thirty-four and 56/100'

I decided to stick with pynum2word, tweaking it a bit to add a
to_check method which does something similar to your suggestion,
above.  I wanted the 'and' only between the dollars and cents so I
made that change, too.  The first checks came out of the printer on
Friday.  Yippee, no more hand written checks!

Eric.

From sfseth at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 00:45:08 2011
From: sfseth at gmail.com (Seth Friedman)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:45:08 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python / Django / ... job post
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=59abQ3fPryOgTco+EvD=nNLV6dozL8-CWyLgx@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Baypiggies,

Attached is a job description for a real early stage startup with some
friends of mine.  Heavily python; cloud EC2 stuff; facebook APIs.  Mysql,
jquery, tornado.  They're cool folks and serious about what they're doing.

Responses to jobs at letsdothissf.com please, not to this email.  :)

seth
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From paul.hoffman at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 01:28:44 2011
From: paul.hoffman at gmail.com (Paul Hoffman)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:28:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Best practices for making code run on 2.6 and 3.x?
Message-ID: <AANLkTik3z7RnK13DMxyQ3i2+3O+HnNniRrsHpzcFhmov@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings again. I have a program that I want to distribute that needs
to work on systems running Python 2.6 or 3.x. Unfortunately, some of
the modules have changed names. For example:

#!/usr/bin/python
import SocketServer

works fine if python is 2.6 and dies an early death if python is 3.x.
Is there any clean way to code for this?

From davidoff56 at alluvialsw.com  Mon Jan 10 01:55:00 2011
From: davidoff56 at alluvialsw.com (Monte Davidoff)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:55:00 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Best practices for making code run on 2.6 and 3.x?
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Message-ID: <4D2A58E4.7060401@alluvialsw.com>

Hi Paul,

On 1/9/11 4:28 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> I have a program that I want to distribute that needs to work on 
> systems running Python 2.6 or 3.x. Unfortunately, some of the modules 
> have changed names. For example:
>
> #!/usr/bin/python
> import SocketServer

Something like this might work:

try:
     import socketserver
except ImportError:
     import SocketServer as socketserver


Monte
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From paul.hoffman at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 02:54:28 2011
From: paul.hoffman at gmail.com (Paul Hoffman)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:54:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Best practices for making code run on 2.6 and 3.x?
In-Reply-To: <4D2A58E4.7060401@alluvialsw.com>
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On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Monte Davidoff
<davidoff56 at alluvialsw.com> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> On 1/9/11 4:28 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>
> I have a program that I want to distribute that needs to work on systems
> running Python 2.6 or 3.x. Unfortunately, some of the modules have changed
> names. For example:
>
> #!/usr/bin/python
> import SocketServer
>
> Something like this might work:
>
> try:
> ??? import socketserver
> except ImportError:
> ??? import SocketServer as socketserver

Brilliant, yes. I had forgotten "as", and I was thinking of the other
direction (forcing 3 to use the 2.x name). Thanks!

--Paul Hoffman

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Jan 10 05:43:22 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:43:22 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python / Django / ... job post
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On Sun, Jan 09, 2011, Seth Friedman wrote:
>
> Attached is a job description for a real early stage startup with some
> friends of mine.  Heavily python; cloud EC2 stuff; facebook APIs.  Mysql,
> jquery, tornado.  They're cool folks and serious about what they're doing.

Any reason it's a Word file instead of plain text?  (FYI, the Jobs Board
at www.python.org explicitly rejects any non-plain text submissions; in
fact, these days the screws have been tightened and you have to submit
using reST formatting.)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Think of it as evolution in action."  --Tony Rand

From nad at acm.org  Mon Jan 10 09:22:18 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 00:22:18 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mac users using wxPython
References: <AANLkTikO_u93Y_gv8ER7hzUbd6db366nLDV9aD4D-QyF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <nad-D7186A.00221810012011@news.gmane.org>

In article 
<AANLkTikO_u93Y_gv8ER7hzUbd6db366nLDV9aD4D-QyF at mail.gmail.com>,
 Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> 
 wrote:
> I've just started using  a Mac w/OSX for the first time.
> Everything I've installed up until now installed without problems.
> 
> While installing wxPython unicode for Python 2.7, and message was
> displayed that an error occurred during the postflight script,
> but nothing about the actual error.
> 
> Where is the logfile located which might tell me what happened?

The standard OS X installer program makes the log available for the 
current install: in the installer menu, check Window -> Installer Log.  
After you've quit the installer, the log for that session may be saved 
on disk, most likely as an install.log file in /var/log.  The OS X 
Console.app, found in /Applications/Utilites, makes it easy to find and 
examine log files.

> Have any other wxUsers had this problem on the Mac?

I'm not a wxPython user but one thing to watch out for is an 
architecture mismatch.  I see the standard wxPython.org binaries are 
built for 32-bit Pythons only.  So, if you are using a Python 2.7 from a 
python.org installer, you should be using the 32-bit-only (10.3+) 
installer variant and not the 64-bit/32-bit (10.6-only) variant.

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From nad at acm.org  Mon Jan 10 19:00:50 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:00:50 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mac users using wxPython
References: <AANLkTikO_u93Y_gv8ER7hzUbd6db366nLDV9aD4D-QyF@mail.gmail.com>
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[replying on-list]

On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:56 , Tony Cappellini wrote:

>>I'm not a wxPython user but one thing to watch out for is an
>>architecture mismatch.  I see the standard wxPython.org binaries are
>>built for 32-bit Pythons only.  So, if you are using a Python 2.7 from
>>a python.org installer, you should be using the 32-bit-only (10.3+)
>>installer variant and not the 64-bit/32-bit (10.6-only) variant.

>I installed Python2.7 via Macports, so there wasn't a installer
>filename which indicated 32/64 bits for it.
>As such, I don't know which architecture it is using.
>I downloaded the wxPython installer from Python.org though- maybe
>there is a mismatch.

I'm assuming you mean you downloaded wxPython from wxpython.org, not to 
be confused with the Python Software Foundation's python.org.

If you are running on OS X 10.6 and on a 64-bit-capable processor 
(pretty much any Mac made in the last 3 years or so), by default 
MacPorts will have installed either a 64-bit version or a multi-arch 
("universal") version that OS X will prefer to run as 64-bit:

$ file /opt/local/bin/python2.7
/opt/local/bin/python2.7: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures
/opt/local/bin/python2.7 (for architecture x86_64):   Mach-O 64-bit 
executable x86_64
/opt/local/bin/python2.7 (for architecture i386):  Mach-O executable i386

I am a fan of MacPorts for a lot of things but, if you are are going to 
use the wxPython installer, life will probably be a lot easier if you 
stick to the 32-bit python2.7 python.org installer because the wx 
version from their installer was built to be compatible with it.   
There's no reason you can't have both versions of python2.7 installed, 
though.  There's no ambiguity as each instance's files, including 
site-packages, are installed in separate locations.  For instance:

$ /opt/local/bin/python2.7 -c 'import sys;print(sys.executable)'
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Resources/Pyt
hon.app/Contents/MacOS/Python
$ /usr/local/bin/python2.7 -c 'import sys;print(sys.executable)'
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Resources/Python.app/Co
ntents/MacOS/Python

On the other hand, MacPorts appears to have its own ports of wxPython 
available.  So you could try that out, too:

$ sudo port selfupdate
$ sudo port install py27-wxpython

Good luck!

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From tony at tcapp.com  Mon Jan 10 19:30:41 2011
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:30:41 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mac users using wxPython
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> I'm assuming you mean you downloaded wxPython from wxpython.org, not to
> be confused with the Python Software Foundation's python.org.
wxPython is not available from python.org, so that's not an issue

> I am a fan of MacPorts for a lot of things but, if you are are going to
> use the wxPython installer, life will probably be a lot easier if you
> stick to the 32-bit python2.7 python.org installer because the wx

There was no choice for 32 or 64 bit installers, so I would assume it
is a 32-bit installation.
I've downloaded this installer
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wxpython/wxPython2.8-osx-unicode-2.8.11.0-universal-py2.7.dmg
which is the one that gave me the error message  during the postflight script

> There's no reason you can't have both versions of python2.7 installed,
I'd rather stick with 32-bit software for now, much less chance of problems.

> On the other hand, MacPorts appears to have its own ports of wxPython
> available. ?So you could try that out, too:
>
> $ sudo port selfupdate
> $ sudo port install py27-wxpython

Will try that since the other one didn't work.

From nad at acm.org  Mon Jan 10 19:50:21 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:50:21 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mac users using wxPython
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In article 
<AANLkTi=RYFQFDQ1euk0+CRt7frq3woY49sCBrLoJyte8 at mail.gmail.com>,
 Tony Cappellini <tony at tcapp.com> wrote:
> > I'm assuming you mean you downloaded wxPython from wxpython.org, not to
> > be confused with the Python Software Foundation's python.org.
> wxPython is not available from python.org, so that's not an issue
> 
> > I am a fan of MacPorts for a lot of things but, if you are are going to
> > use the wxPython installer, life will probably be a lot easier if you
> > stick to the 32-bit python2.7 python.org installer because the wx
> 
> There was no choice for 32 or 64 bit installers, so I would assume it
> is a 32-bit installation.

In case I wasn't clear, I meant trying the wxpython.org wxpython2.7 with 
the python2.7 installed by the 32-bit python2.7 installer from 
python.org (rather than with the MacPorts-installed python2.7):

http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7.1/
http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.1/python-2.7.1-macosx10.3.dmg

Trying the MacPorts port of wxPython is a good idea, as well.

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From tony at tcapp.com  Tue Jan 11 08:07:06 2011
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 23:07:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mac users using wxPython
In-Reply-To: <nad-C4F8D9.10502110012011@news.gmane.org>
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> In case I wasn't clear, I meant trying the wxpython.org wxpython2.7 with
> the python2.7 installed by the 32-bit python2.7 installer from
> python.org (rather than with the MacPorts-installed python2.7):

I installed python 27 via macports, but I don't know if it was 32 or 64-bit.


>
> Trying the MacPorts port of wxPython is a good idea, as well.
So I did that, tried to import wx after installing it and got this far

>> import wx
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/__init__.py",
line 45, in <module>
    from wx._core import *
  File "/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_core.py",
line 4, in <module>
    import _core_
ImportError: dlopen(/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_core_.so,
2): no suitable image found.  Did find:
	/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_core_.so:
mach-o, but wrong architecture
>>>

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 08:55:18 2011
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:25:18 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:27 AM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:

> not to hijack the topic or do any upselling, but Google has a Prediction
> API which leverages multiple ML algorithms and makes them available to the
> public for use in general apps:
> http://code.google.com/apis/predict/
>

"We expect to begin charging for Google Prediction API usage early in 2011."
>From here <http://code.google.com/apis/predict/docs/pricing.html>.
The worst part being "Free quota expires six months after activating Google
Prediction for your project"* :(

*-Venkat
http://blizzardzblogs.blogspot.com/
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From wescpy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 09:52:43 2011
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:52:43 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Suggested Reading: Machine learning and Python
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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:27 AM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> not to hijack the topic or do any upselling, but Google has a Prediction
>> API which leverages multiple ML algorithms and makes them available to the
>> public for use in general apps:
>> http://code.google.com/apis/predict/
>
> "We expect to begin charging for Google Prediction API usage early in 2011."
> From here.
> The worst part being "Free quota expires six months after activating Google
> Prediction for your project" :(


yeah, i know it's a bummer, but some of us have families and
oppressive mortgages. in my experience, when Google charges for a
service, it's really quite reasonable (or even *too* reasonable).
makes it hard to justify coworkers to help me do my job!!

look at App Engine, the fees are quite low, at least compared to other
competing PaaS services. most of our users don't pay anything! i'm
sure the fees for Prediction will be appropriate given the value that
it provides. then again, i may be somewhat biased. :-) perhaps someone
reading this thread knows of a competing service so that we can do
some sort of comparison?

cheers,
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Python Web Development with Django", Addison Wesley, (c) 2009
? ? http://withdjango.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From nad at acm.org  Tue Jan 11 10:29:57 2011
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 01:29:57 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mac users using wxPython
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In article 
<AANLkTikzzufAbV9PpUvHnC5P6xYYiZjom_MtSQ_ba_py at mail.gmail.com>,
 Tony Cappellini <tony at tcapp.com> wrote:

> > In case I wasn't clear, I meant trying the wxpython.org wxpython2.7 with
> > the python2.7 installed by the 32-bit python2.7 installer from
> > python.org (rather than with the MacPorts-installed python2.7):
> 
> I installed python 27 via macports, but I don't know if it was 32 or 64-bit.

You can tell by using the file command:

$ file /opt/local/bin/python2.7
/opt/local/bin/python2.7: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures
/opt/local/bin/python2.7 (for architecture x86_64):   Mach-O 64-bit 
executable x86_64
/opt/local/bin/python2.7 (for architecture i386):  Mach-O executable i386

In this case, I have installed a "universal" Python2.7 capable of 
running in either 64-bit or 32-mode mode.  OS X 10.6 prefers to run a 
64-bit executable when possible over a 32-bit mode unless forced.

$ /opt/local/bin/python2.7 -c 'import sys;print(sys.maxsize)'
9223372036854775807
$ arch -x86_64 /opt/local/bin/python2.7 -c 'import 
sys;print(sys.maxsize)'
9223372036854775807
$ arch -i386 /opt/local/bin/python2.7 -c 'import sys;print(sys.maxsize)' 
2147483647

Of course, if there is only one architecture in the executable, it has 
to try to use that.  And that's what is happening with the MacPorts wx.  
Looking at the MacPorts portfile for py27-wxpython:

http://trac.macports.org/browser/trunk/dports/python/py27-wxpython/Portfi
le

it has an explicit "configure.build_arch i386" meaning wxpython will 
only be built as 32-bit.  (The reason for that is that apparently wx 
uses deprecated OS X Carbon APIs which are only available in 32-bit 
mode.)   So the traceback you got undoubtedly means that the MacPorts 
python2.7 is running in 64-bit mode and the import of the extension 
module in the wx package fails because it is 32-bit only: 

> >> import wx
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
>   File 
>   "/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/s
>   ite-packages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/__init__.py",
> line 45, in <module>
>     from wx._core import *
>   File 
>   "/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/s
>   ite-packages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_core.py",
> line 4, in <module>
>     import _core_
> ImportError: 
> dlopen(/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2
> .7/site-packages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_core_.so,
> 2): no suitable image found.  Did find:
> 	
> /opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site
> -packages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_core_.so:
> mach-o, but wrong architecture

One solution to that is to run the python2.7 as 32-bit.  If it was built 
as a 64-/32-bit universal, then the "arch -i386" trick above should work:

$ arch -i386 /opt/local/bin/python2.7 -c 'import wx'
$ # no errors

If not (i.e. it's only 64-bit), the arch command will fail.  In that 
case, you can force MacPorts to rebuild and reinstall all of the 
necessary ports as universal ones by this:

$ port upgrade --force --enforce-variants  \
   py27-wxpython python27 +universal

You may want to edit the MacPorts variants file to include +universal so 
all future port installs and upgrade are built as universal, if 
possible, and you won't need to add the +universal to each port command.  
The file is at:  /opt/local/etc/macports/variants.conf

In theory, it is possible to tell MacPorts you only want to build 32-bit 
executables, period, but that is a bit more complicated and probably 
more fragile.  I don't recommend it.

OR , as suggested previously,  you could go with the python.org 32-bit 
Python 2.7 with which the wxpython.org installer is compatible.  From 
the command line to illustrate (it's easier to run everything from your 
web browser and the Finder by clicking on things):

$ curl -O \
 http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.1/python-2.7.1-macosx10.3.dmg
$ open python-2.7.1-macosx10.3.dmg 
$ open "/Volumes/Python 2.7.1/Python.mpkg"
$ # click buttons in python installer
$ umount "/Volumes/Python 2.7.1"
$ curl -O \ 
http://cdnetworks-us-2.dl.sourceforge.net/project/wxpython/wxPython/2.8.1
1.0/wxPython2.8-osx-unicode-2.8.11.0-universal-py2.7.dmg
$ open wxPython2.8-osx-unicode-2.8.11.0-universal-py2.7.dmg 
$ open /Volumes/wxPython2.8-osx-unicode-2.8.11.0-universal-py2.7/\
wxPython2.8-osx-unicode-universal-py2.7.pkg
$ # click buttons in wxpython installer
$ umount /Volumes/wxPython2.8-osx-unicode-2.8.11.0-universal-py2.7 
$ /usr/local/bin/python2.7 -c "import wx"
$ # no errors

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From Web at StevePiercy.com  Tue Jan 11 14:48:06 2011
From: Web at StevePiercy.com (Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 05:48:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Tutorials
Message-ID: <r420ps-1058i-0DBFC33E3E5C43AC9ECE90D431F7246E@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>

I'm heading to PyCon, and I've looked over the list of tutorials 
and their descriptions.  I'm having a hard time narrowing it 
down to just a few.
http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/tutorials/

For an experienced web application programmer with basic python 
experience, which of the tutorials would be most recommended?

Also is anyone on this list attending/presenting?  I recognized 
Wesley is presenting.

--steve

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
-- --
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Soquel, CA
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From anfrind at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 20:40:34 2011
From: anfrind at gmail.com (Lincoln Peters)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:40:34 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading XLSX files?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikCPDevbfBz0GxmXFsWEQYJe4V0wGx6008SmZxY@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a way to read an Excel 2007 spreadsheet from within a
Python script (I don't need the script to be able to edit them).  Has
anyone on the list found a good way to do that?

I spent a few minutes searching the Internet, but everything I found
looked like it was in an unfinished state--most of them didn't even
seem to have packaged releases.


Thanks.


-- 
Lincoln Peters
<anfrind at gmail.com>

From tony at tcapp.com  Tue Jan 11 20:42:41 2011
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:42:41 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading XLSX files?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikCPDevbfBz0GxmXFsWEQYJe4V0wGx6008SmZxY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikCPDevbfBz0GxmXFsWEQYJe4V0wGx6008SmZxY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikw3ETNT+y45jEr9UfYYVQwuqyhvmHxzgNuWOJZ@mail.gmail.com>

pyxlrd

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lincoln Peters <anfrind at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for a way to read an Excel 2007 spreadsheet from within a
> Python script (I don't need the script to be able to edit them). ?Has
> anyone on the list found a good way to do that?
>
> I spent a few minutes searching the Internet, but everything I found
> looked like it was in an unfinished state--most of them didn't even
> seem to have packaged releases.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Lincoln Peters
> <anfrind at gmail.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From leehinde at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 20:44:20 2011
From: leehinde at gmail.com (Lee Hinde)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:44:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading XLSX files?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikw3ETNT+y45jEr9UfYYVQwuqyhvmHxzgNuWOJZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikCPDevbfBz0GxmXFsWEQYJe4V0wGx6008SmZxY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw3ETNT+y45jEr9UfYYVQwuqyhvmHxzgNuWOJZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A138CBCC-C6A0-40B7-8B9E-6FCB93120B6E@gmail.com>

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xlrd

On Jan 11, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Tony Cappellini wrote:

> pyxlrd
> 
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lincoln Peters <anfrind at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm looking for a way to read an Excel 2007 spreadsheet from within a
>> Python script (I don't need the script to be able to edit them).  Has
>> anyone on the list found a good way to do that?
>> 
>> I spent a few minutes searching the Internet, but everything I found
>> looked like it was in an unfinished state--most of them didn't even
>> seem to have packaged releases.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Lincoln Peters
>> <anfrind at gmail.com>


From tony at tcapp.com  Tue Jan 11 20:44:53 2011
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:44:53 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading XLSX files?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikCPDevbfBz0GxmXFsWEQYJe4V0wGx6008SmZxY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikCPDevbfBz0GxmXFsWEQYJe4V0wGx6008SmZxY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikk9eQaxfKFw9oQacUTgQ1X9UbB3JLOVJwjZt=P@mail.gmail.com>

BTW- this reads (and there is a write module too) that the binary file
natively, without needing to have Excel on the machine

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lincoln Peters <anfrind at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for a way to read an Excel 2007 spreadsheet from within a
> Python script (I don't need the script to be able to edit them). ?Has
> anyone on the list found a good way to do that?
>
> I spent a few minutes searching the Internet, but everything I found
> looked like it was in an unfinished state--most of them didn't even
> seem to have packaged releases.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Lincoln Peters
> <anfrind at gmail.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From rami.chowdhury at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 23:11:53 2011
From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com (Rami Chowdhury)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 22:11:53 +0000
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading XLSX files?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikk9eQaxfKFw9oQacUTgQ1X9UbB3JLOVJwjZt=P@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikCPDevbfBz0GxmXFsWEQYJe4V0wGx6008SmZxY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikk9eQaxfKFw9oQacUTgQ1X9UbB3JLOVJwjZt=P@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201101112211.53397.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 11 January 2011 19:44:53 Tony Cappellini wrote:
> BTW- this reads (and there is a write module too) that the binary file
> natively, without needing to have Excel on the machine

Does xlrd do Excel 2007 format?

> 
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lincoln Peters <anfrind at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm looking for a way to read an Excel 2007 spreadsheet from within a
> > Python script (I don't need the script to be able to edit them).  Has
> > anyone on the list found a good way to do that?
> > 
> > I spent a few minutes searching the Internet, but everything I found
> > looked like it was in an unfinished state--most of them didn't even
> > seem to have packaged releases.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Lincoln Peters
> > <anfrind at gmail.com>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> 
> _______________________________________________
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"Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information
available." -- Benford's Law of Controversy
+44-7581-430-517 / +88-01819-245544 /+1-408-597-7068

From tony at tcapp.com  Tue Jan 11 23:31:01 2011
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:31:01 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading XLSX files?
In-Reply-To: <201101112211.53397.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikCPDevbfBz0GxmXFsWEQYJe4V0wGx6008SmZxY@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikk9eQaxfKFw9oQacUTgQ1X9UbB3JLOVJwjZt=P@mail.gmail.com>
	<201101112211.53397.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimcryS3hpbVriwUc6Nn0afD-_Mh6jtrfdvz-+CA@mail.gmail.com>

Dunno- check the docs. There used to be mailing list/Google group for that SW

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Rami Chowdhury
<rami.chowdhury at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 January 2011 19:44:53 Tony Cappellini wrote:
>> BTW- this reads (and there is a write module too) that the binary file
>> natively, without needing to have Excel on the machine
>
> Does xlrd do Excel 2007 format?
>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lincoln Peters <anfrind at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm looking for a way to read an Excel 2007 spreadsheet from within a
>> > Python script (I don't need the script to be able to edit them). ?Has
>> > anyone on the list found a good way to do that?
>> >
>> > I spent a few minutes searching the Internet, but everything I found
>> > looked like it was in an unfinished state--most of them didn't even
>> > seem to have packaged releases.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lincoln Peters
>> > <anfrind at gmail.com>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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>
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> available." -- Benford's Law of Controversy
> +44-7581-430-517 / +88-01819-245544 /+1-408-597-7068
>

From rami.chowdhury at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 00:09:10 2011
From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com (Rami Chowdhury)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:09:10 +0000
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading XLSX files?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbsio-eo6KdY4Yq_5KsWGThr9dOTePJyukSb7P@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikCPDevbfBz0GxmXFsWEQYJe4V0wGx6008SmZxY@mail.gmail.com>
	<201101112211.53397.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinbsio-eo6KdY4Yq_5KsWGThr9dOTePJyukSb7P@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201101112309.10988.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 11 January 2011 22:27:51 Lincoln Peters wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Rami Chowdhury wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 January 2011 19:44:53 Tony Cappellini wrote:
> >> BTW- this reads (and there is a write module too) that the binary file
> >> natively, without needing to have Excel on the machine
> > 
> > Does xlrd do Excel 2007 format?
> 
> I just tried it; it raises an XLRDError('Unsupported format, or
> corrupt file: ...') when I try to open an Excel 2007 file.  Although
> it works just fine if I re-save the file in Excel 2003 format.

Well if you have the ability to re-save in Excel 2003 then xlrd should do the 
job brilliantly :-)

----
Rami Chowdhury
"Ninety percent of everything is crap." -- Sturgeon's Law
+44-7581-430-517 / +88-01819-245544 /+1-408-597-7068

From kpguy1975 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 16:01:27 2011
From: kpguy1975 at gmail.com (Vikram K)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:01:27 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] adding hyperlinks to output
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbxyGsjpafseMUZCuJc3cCuqvVCDXi0CjqDSVP@mail.gmail.com>

I have a bunch of symbols in one of the columns in my program's output
file (a csv file which can be opened in excel). I wish to add
hyperlinks to each entry in this particular column in my output file.
A sample symbol/entry in the specific column of interest in the output
file is USP8 and it needs to be hyperlinked to
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101. (So, when you click on 'USP8'
in the output file, your browser automatically opens the site
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101).

Can someone tell me how to add hyperlinks to my output?

From eric at ericwalstad.com  Wed Jan 12 18:53:24 2011
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:53:24 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] adding hyperlinks to output
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikbxyGsjpafseMUZCuJc3cCuqvVCDXi0CjqDSVP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikbxyGsjpafseMUZCuJc3cCuqvVCDXi0CjqDSVP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim9xAd0btLtd74wUeVCE4bMjsNn5ttFeDsm_kb7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vikram,

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Vikram K <kpguy1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a bunch of symbols in one of the columns in my program's output
> file (a csv file which can be opened in excel). I wish to add
> hyperlinks to each entry in this particular column in my output file.
> A sample symbol/entry in the specific column of interest in the output
> file is USP8 and it needs to be hyperlinked to
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101. (So, when you click on 'USP8'
> in the output file, your browser automatically opens the site
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101).
>
> Can someone tell me how to add hyperlinks to my output?

If you write an anchor tag to your csv file Excel might/should
recognize it as a hyperlink.  You could test that by editing one of
the lines of an existing csv file by hand and then opening it in
Excel.  If that does what you want, then modify your csv writer code
to output an anchor tag:

<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101">USP8</a>

If that's not what you are looking for it would be helpful to see a
sample CSV file line and a description of how you are writing the
lines to a file.

Eric.

From kpguy1975 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 20:15:42 2011
From: kpguy1975 at gmail.com (Vikram K)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:15:42 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] adding hyperlinks to output
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikSpqmyU_Rm8obqaRCdE_5peckME5m11_iaQ4H-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikbxyGsjpafseMUZCuJc3cCuqvVCDXi0CjqDSVP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSpqmyU_Rm8obqaRCdE_5peckME5m11_iaQ4H-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimP0CjP=6LqUiFtbBBaU-4Jives=Xvjo=Mdrfb-@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for your response. I tried using the anchor tag but Excel is not
recognizing it as a hyperlink. This is my test script:

import csv
fout = open ('test.csv', 'w')

writer = csv.writer(fout)

writer.writerow(('Gene Link', 'Protein Link'))

writer.writerow(('<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101">USP8</a>',
'bla'))

---------
the excel output for the above script is:

  Gene Link Protein Link

 <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101">USP8</a> bla

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:
> Hi Vikram,
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Vikram K <kpguy1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a bunch of symbols in one of the columns in my program's output
>> file (a csv file which can be opened in excel). I wish to add
>> hyperlinks to each entry in this particular column in my output file.
>> A sample symbol/entry in the specific column of interest in the output
>> file is USP8 and it needs to be hyperlinked to
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101. (So, when you click on 'USP8'
>> in the output file, your browser automatically opens the site
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101).
>>
>> Can someone tell me how to add hyperlinks to my output?
>
> If you write an anchor tag to your csv file Excel might/should
> recognize it as a hyperlink.  You could test that by editing one of
> the lines of an existing csv file by hand and then opening it in
> Excel.  If that does what you want, then modify your csv writer code
> to output an anchor tag:
>
> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101">USP8</a>
>
> If that's not what you are looking for it would be helpful to see a
> sample CSV file line and a description of how you are writing the
> lines to a file.
>
> Eric.
>
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From eric at ericwalstad.com  Wed Jan 12 20:35:25 2011
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:35:25 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] adding hyperlinks to output
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References: <AANLkTikbxyGsjpafseMUZCuJc3cCuqvVCDXi0CjqDSVP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSpqmyU_Rm8obqaRCdE_5peckME5m11_iaQ4H-@mail.gmail.com>
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Vikram,

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Vikram K <kpguy1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> thanks for your response. I tried using the anchor tag but Excel is not recognizing it as a hyperlink. This is my test script:
>
> import csv
> fout = open ('test.csv', 'w')
>
> writer = csv.writer(fout)
>
> writer.writerow(('Gene Link', 'Protein Link'))
>
> writer.writerow(('<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101">USP8</a>', 'bla'))
Ah, looks like an Excel issue.  Googling for Excel hyperlink, I see it
uses the 'hyperlink' function - have a look in the help file for that
function for details, but this might get you close:
writer.writerow(('hyperlink("http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101",
USP8)', 'bla'))

Eric.

From max at theslimmers.net  Wed Jan 12 20:51:40 2011
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:51:40 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] adding hyperlinks to output
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimD8MgnyGJzOC+WyMOMuBH9x4Oda2ssjT=g4PCy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikbxyGsjpafseMUZCuJc3cCuqvVCDXi0CjqDSVP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSpqmyU_Rm8obqaRCdE_5peckME5m11_iaQ4H-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimP0CjP=6LqUiFtbBBaU-4Jives=Xvjo=Mdrfb-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimD8MgnyGJzOC+WyMOMuBH9x4Oda2ssjT=g4PCy@mail.gmail.com>
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As far as I can tell there is no way to include formulas in csv
however you can try:
Assuming the CSV file contains URLs like Http://support.microsoft.com
open the csv file in Excel.
in the column next to it put in a formula like
=Hyperlink(A1)
then drag fill down the column.


Max Slimmer
eMail: max at SlimmerSoft.com
phone: 707 703-4396



On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:
> Vikram,
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Vikram K <kpguy1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> thanks for your response. I tried using the anchor tag but Excel is not recognizing it as a hyperlink. This is my test script:
>>
>> import csv
>> fout = open ('test.csv', 'w')
>>
>> writer = csv.writer(fout)
>>
>> writer.writerow(('Gene Link', 'Protein Link'))
>>
>> writer.writerow(('<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101">USP8</a>', 'bla'))
> Ah, looks like an Excel issue. ?Googling for Excel hyperlink, I see it
> uses the 'hyperlink' function - have a look in the help file for that
> function for details, but this might get you close:
> writer.writerow(('hyperlink("http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101",
> USP8)', 'bla'))
>
> Eric.
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From eric at ericwalstad.com  Wed Jan 12 20:57:43 2011
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:57:43 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] adding hyperlinks to output
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimbDWo2Ay_201bMqPeK4J+YCXOHqU5OKLfABmt_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikbxyGsjpafseMUZCuJc3cCuqvVCDXi0CjqDSVP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSpqmyU_Rm8obqaRCdE_5peckME5m11_iaQ4H-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimP0CjP=6LqUiFtbBBaU-4Jives=Xvjo=Mdrfb-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimD8MgnyGJzOC+WyMOMuBH9x4Oda2ssjT=g4PCy@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimbDWo2Ay_201bMqPeK4J+YCXOHqU5OKLfABmt_@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Max Slimmer <max at theslimmers.net> wrote:
> As far as I can tell there is no way to include formulas in csv
Darn

>> writer.writerow(('hyperlink("http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101",
>> USP8)', 'bla'))
And that should have included an equal sign
writer.writerow(('=hyperlink(...

From anfrind at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 20:58:43 2011
From: anfrind at gmail.com (Lincoln Peters)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:58:43 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] adding hyperlinks to output
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimD8MgnyGJzOC+WyMOMuBH9x4Oda2ssjT=g4PCy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikbxyGsjpafseMUZCuJc3cCuqvVCDXi0CjqDSVP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikSpqmyU_Rm8obqaRCdE_5peckME5m11_iaQ4H-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimP0CjP=6LqUiFtbBBaU-4Jives=Xvjo=Mdrfb-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimD8MgnyGJzOC+WyMOMuBH9x4Oda2ssjT=g4PCy@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:
> Ah, looks like an Excel issue.  Googling for Excel hyperlink, I see it
> uses the 'hyperlink' function - have a look in the help file for that
> function for details, but this might get you close:
> writer.writerow(('hyperlink("http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101",
> USP8)', 'bla'))

Another option that might work is to save the data as an HTML file
with just a table and whatever links you need.  If you can generate an
HTML file that looks like this:

<html>
<body>
<table>
<tr><td>Gene Link</td><td>Protein Link</td></tr>
<tr><td><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101">USP8</a></td><td>bla</td></tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

I know Excel 2007 can read it correctly (I just tested it), and it's
simple enough that it wouldn't be hard to generate from Python.  It
also has the advantage that someone who doesn't have Excel can still
read it just by loading it in a web browser.


-- 
Lincoln Peters
<anfrind at gmail.com>

From eric at ericwalstad.com  Wed Jan 12 21:12:40 2011
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:12:40 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] adding hyperlinks to output
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Sending this to the list, FYI.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Vikram K <kpguy1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
> that worked well. i just had to make one small change (put " around USP8).
> many thanks.
>
> writer.writerow(('<a
> href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101">"USP8"</a>', 'bla'))
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Max Slimmer <max at theslimmers.net> wrote:
>> > As far as I can tell there is no way to include formulas in csv
>> Darn
>>
>> >> writer.writerow(('hyperlink("http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101",
>> >> USP8)', 'bla'))
>> And that should have included an equal sign
>> writer.writerow(('=hyperlink(...

From kpguy1975 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 21:13:28 2011
From: kpguy1975 at gmail.com (Vikram K)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:13:28 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] adding hyperlinks to output
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Hi Eric,
i just had to make one small change to your code (put " around USP8)

writer.writerow(('=hyperlink("http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101",
"USP8")', 'bla'))

Thanks. (Also, please ignore my previous msg to you.)

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Max Slimmer <max at theslimmers.net> wrote:
> > As far as I can tell there is no way to include formulas in csv
> Darn
>
> >> writer.writerow(('hyperlink("http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/9101",
> >> USP8)', 'bla'))
> And that should have included an equal sign
> writer.writerow(('=hyperlink(...
>
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From pythonmarco at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 21:03:39 2011
From: pythonmarco at gmail.com (Marco Hornung)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:03:39 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] how to use priority queue with multiprocessing
Message-ID: <87E38041-C753-40C1-BD37-0334717C543D@gmail.com>

Hey, 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
question
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How can I use a priority queue to schedule jobs within the "multiprocessing pool" module?

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my scenario
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I want to run several jobs on a server. The jobs are being sent by users. However, all jobs have a different priority, and high-priority jobs should be processed before any low-priority job gets touched.
Currently I just append all incoming jobs to the multiprocessing worker pool as follows:
### initialize worker pool
pool			= PriorityPool(processes=worker_count)
process_handles = []

### distribute function execution over several processes
for job_parameter in job_parameter_list:
	handle = pool.apply_async(process_function, [job_parameter,])
	process_handles.append(handle)

This will only put the jobs in some kind of a list - and execute the jobs in the order they come in. Is it possible to use a priority queue for the process-pool?

Kind Regards,
Marco

From jtatum at gmail.com  Thu Jan 13 22:59:38 2011
From: jtatum at gmail.com (James Tatum)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:59:38 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] how to use priority queue with multiprocessing
In-Reply-To: <87E38041-C753-40C1-BD37-0334717C543D@gmail.com>
References: <87E38041-C753-40C1-BD37-0334717C543D@gmail.com>
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This exact scenario is described thoroughly in the documentation for heapq:
http://docs.python.org/library/heapq.html#priority-queue-implementation-notes

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Marco Hornung <pythonmarco at gmail.com> wrote:
> How can I use a priority queue to schedule jobs within the "multiprocessing pool" module?

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Jan 15 22:49:33 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:49:33 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
Message-ID: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>

I was having lunch with Luca today and we were talking about putting together a talk on testing. I, selfishly, want a talk to teach me things that I don't know. And, Luca is a testing engineer who works with many products and frameworks.

We want to brainstorm on the list to see what most people are interested in.

One idea is the "buzzwords" type talk where each framework is introduced and a high level "this is why it's more useful than another" is given. For example, twill, selenium, lettuce, nose, unit tests, etc.

Another idea is to pick a few and drill down on them showing how to write them. For example, how does one mock up things and what tools are in place.

What interest is there and what are people most curious about?

Warmest Regards,




Glen

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sun Jan 16 02:05:48 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 17:05:48 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <r420ps-1058i-D3776FBC1AD04CE1B5080BE89CD63BA5@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
	<r420ps-1058i-D3776FBC1AD04CE1B5080BE89CD63BA5@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=sWMne2EaHhT5oFsJosVV=Vq3RVNVFeVWFrH9c@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

    Of the different frameworks that you'd like to see practical examples
on, are you more interested in Selenium, twill, cucumber (BDD), TDD?

Glen

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder <
Web at stevepiercy.com> wrote:

> On 1/15/11 at 1:49 PM, glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) pronounced:
>
>
>  One idea is the "buzzwords" type talk where each framework is introduced
>> and a high level "this is why it's more useful than another" is given. For
>> example, twill, selenium, lettuce, nose, unit tests, etc.
>>
>> Another idea is to pick a few and drill down on them showing how to write
>> them. For example, how does one mock up things and what tools are in place.
>>
>
> If I had to choose, I'm much more interested in the latter.  I absorb much
> more from practical examples, and can make my own comparisons and contrasts
> at a high level.
>
> --steve
>
> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> Steve Piercy               Web Site Builder               Soquel, CA
> <web at StevePiercy.com>                  <http://www.StevePiercy.com/>
>
>


-- 
Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
least.

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From paul.hoffman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 03:02:46 2011
From: paul.hoffman at gmail.com (Paul Hoffman)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:02:46 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
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Buzzwords would be great. There are so many different ones, an
overview with a few cross-tool comparisons would give some of us still
locked into unit testing some big ideas.

From nstinemates at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 03:27:21 2011
From: nstinemates at gmail.com (Nick Stinemates)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:27:21 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
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If there was which a talk, I would love to come to my first meeting. I
have been lurking for a long time, it's about time I join anyway!

Nick

On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Buzzwords would be great. There are so many different ones, an
> overview with a few cross-tool comparisons would give some of us still
> locked into unit testing some big ideas.
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From baypiggies at otisbean.com  Sun Jan 16 03:47:21 2011
From: baypiggies at otisbean.com (Dirk Bergstrom)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 18:47:21 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
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On 01/15/2011 01:49 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> What interest is there and what are people most curious about?

I'd be interested in learning more about Behavior Driven Development.

I'd really like to hear about frameworks that don't require drinking a
whole pitcher of koolaid.  Something that's easy to get into, and
doesn't assume that you're religious about testing.

-- 
       --------------------------------------
      Dirk Bergstrom           krid at otisbean.com
             http://otisbean.com/ 

From Web at StevePiercy.com  Sun Jan 16 04:06:25 2011
From: Web at StevePiercy.com (Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:06:25 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=sWMne2EaHhT5oFsJosVV=Vq3RVNVFeVWFrH9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r420ps-1058i-C1D42D92BBE942F59075E15216B76627@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>

I am primarily interested in how other developers conduct 
testing of their code and web applications.

I'm already familiar with Selenium through a web browser, but 
not through a programming language or testing framework, so I am 
interested in seeing how to do that with python.

I recently stumbled across CubicTest, a Selenium plugin for 
Eclipse, but I'm not familiar with it yet.  I'm plugging through 
the tutorial.

I want to learn more about TDD, and how to write useful 
unittests or doctests in python.

I don't know whether you would call it a testing framework, but 
I've been trying out pydev for Eclipse.  I really like its 
debugger and being able to step through code.

I'm not familiar at all with twill or cucumber (other than I've 
heard cucumber mentioned often amongst Rubyists), so I'm curious 
about them.

--steve


On 1/15/11 at 5:05 PM, glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) pronounced:

>Steve,
>
>Of the different frameworks that you'd like to see practical examples
>on, are you more interested in Selenium, twill, cucumber (BDD), TDD?
>
>Glen
>
>On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder <
>Web at stevepiercy.com> wrote:
>
>>On 1/15/11 at 1:49 PM, glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) pronounced:
>>
>>
>>One idea is the "buzzwords" type talk where each framework is introduced
>>> and a high level "this is why it's more useful than another" is given. For
>>> example, twill, selenium, lettuce, nose, unit tests, etc.
>>>
>>> Another idea is to pick a few and drill down on them showing how to write
>>> them. For example, how does one mock up things and what tools are in place.
>>>
>>
>>If I had to choose, I'm much more interested in the latter.  I absorb much
>>more from practical examples, and can make my own comparisons and contrasts
>>at a high level.
>>
>>--steve
>>
>>-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>Steve Piercy               Web Site Builder               Soquel, CA
>><web at StevePiercy.com>                  <http://www.StevePiercy.com/>
>>
>>
>
>

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
-- --
Steve Piercy               Web Site Builder               
Soquel, CA
<web at StevePiercy.com>                  <http://www.StevePiercy.com/>


From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sun Jan 16 04:22:19 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 19:22:19 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <r420ps-1058i-C1D42D92BBE942F59075E15216B76627@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r420ps-1058i-C1D42D92BBE942F59075E15216B76627@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <251C3412-6329-4A64-9EC7-DA72772EC44E@glenjarvis.com>

If I mentioned cucumber in my previous email, I apologize. I've been learning cucumber to do BDD development for rails. The equivalent for python is lettuce. I hadn't learned lettuce yet, but it should be just a port of cucumber -- although I can't say that with authority.

Cheers,


Glen

El Jan 15, 2011, a las 7:06 PM, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder <Web at StevePiercy.com> escribi?:

> I am primarily interested in how other developers conduct testing of their code and web applications.
> 
> I'm already familiar with Selenium through a web browser, but not through a programming language or testing framework, so I am interested in seeing how to do that with python.
> 
> I recently stumbled across CubicTest, a Selenium plugin for Eclipse, but I'm not familiar with it yet.  I'm plugging through the tutorial.
> 
> I want to learn more about TDD, and how to write useful unittests or doctests in python.
> 
> I don't know whether you would call it a testing framework, but I've been trying out pydev for Eclipse.  I really like its debugger and being able to step through code.
> 
> I'm not familiar at all with twill or cucumber (other than I've heard cucumber mentioned often amongst Rubyists), so I'm curious about them.
> 
> --steve
> 
> 
> On 1/15/11 at 5:05 PM, glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) pronounced:
> 
>> Steve,
>> 
>> Of the different frameworks that you'd like to see practical examples
>> on, are you more interested in Selenium, twill, cucumber (BDD), TDD?
>> 
>> Glen
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder <
>> Web at stevepiercy.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/15/11 at 1:49 PM, glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) pronounced:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One idea is the "buzzwords" type talk where each framework is introduced
>>>> and a high level "this is why it's more useful than another" is given. For
>>>> example, twill, selenium, lettuce, nose, unit tests, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Another idea is to pick a few and drill down on them showing how to write
>>>> them. For example, how does one mock up things and what tools are in place.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> If I had to choose, I'm much more interested in the latter.  I absorb much
>>> more from practical examples, and can make my own comparisons and contrasts
>>> at a high level.
>>> 
>>> --steve
>>> 
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>> Steve Piercy               Web Site Builder               Soquel, CA
>>> <web at StevePiercy.com>                  <http://www.StevePiercy.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> Steve Piercy               Web Site Builder               Soquel, CA
> <web at StevePiercy.com>                  <http://www.StevePiercy.com/>
> 
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Jan 16 17:36:03 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:36:03 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <20110116163603.GB7560@panix.com>

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
> What interest is there and what are people most curious about?

I'm mostly interested in war stories about complex testing.  For example,
consider an application that stores data locally in a DB and also fetches
data from a remote server.  How do you mock up the server interactions?
(That is, client performs an operation and sends data to the server;
server sends back a response describing success or failure, which the
client then uses as feedback for further operations.)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From jim at well.com  Sun Jan 16 18:08:25 2011
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:08:25 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <1295197705.9056.40.camel@jim-laptop>


I'd be interested in mapping testing approaches 
(use a framework? how to handle stubs? value of 
using random data? ensuring range testing?...) 
to software designs (classic package with some 
classes, specialized I/O access, framework that 
presents an API, a compute-intensive engine...). 


On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 13:49 -0800, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> I was having lunch with Luca today and we were talking about putting together a talk on testing. I, selfishly, want a talk to teach me things that I don't know. And, Luca is a testing engineer who works with many products and frameworks.
> 
> We want to brainstorm on the list to see what most people are interested in.
> 
> One idea is the "buzzwords" type talk where each framework is introduced and a high level "this is why it's more useful than another" is given. For example, twill, selenium, lettuce, nose, unit tests, etc.
> 
> Another idea is to pick a few and drill down on them showing how to write them. For example, how does one mock up things and what tools are in place.
> 
> What interest is there and what are people most curious about?
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Glen
> _______________________________________________
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From nstinemates at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 19:04:18 2011
From: nstinemates at gmail.com (Nick Stinemates)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:04:18 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <20110116163603.GB7560@panix.com>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
	<20110116163603.GB7560@panix.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinbb=STCvANrTfoh-wNKicUwDDhKwvLzS2BygNc@mail.gmail.com>

As I have never been to a meeting, I would not feel comfortable giving
a talk. However, this is something we deal with every day and I  would
love to share some of the war stories we have got past, are working
on, and plan to tackle in the future.

Nick

On Sunday, January 16, 2011, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>
>> What interest is there and what are people most curious about?
>
> I'm mostly interested in war stories about complex testing. ?For example,
> consider an application that stores data locally in a DB and also fetches
> data from a remote server. ?How do you mock up the server interactions?
> (That is, client performs an operation and sends data to the server;
> server sends back a response describing success or failure, which the
> client then uses as feedback for further operations.)
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) ? ? ? ? ? <*> ? ? ? ? http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
> given by pi*z*z*a"
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sun Jan 16 19:13:05 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 10:13:05 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbb=STCvANrTfoh-wNKicUwDDhKwvLzS2BygNc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
	<20110116163603.GB7560@panix.com>
	<AANLkTinbb=STCvANrTfoh-wNKicUwDDhKwvLzS2BygNc@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Nick. Let me reply to you off list and carbon copy Jim who is the
organizer of who talks when.

Glen

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:

> As I have never been to a meeting, I would not feel comfortable giving
> a talk. However, this is something we deal with every day and I  would
> love to share some of the war stories we have got past, are working
> on, and plan to tackle in the future.
>
> Nick
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2011, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> >>
> >> What interest is there and what are people most curious about?
> >
> > I'm mostly interested in war stories about complex testing.  For example,
> > consider an application that stores data locally in a DB and also fetches
> > data from a remote server.  How do you mock up the server interactions?
> > (That is, client performs an operation and sends data to the server;
> > server sends back a response describing success or failure, which the
> > client then uses as feedback for further operations.)
> > --
> > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>
> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
> >
> > "The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
> > given by pi*z*z*a"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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>



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From anfrind at gmail.com  Sun Jan 16 21:07:15 2011
From: anfrind at gmail.com (Lincoln Peters)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:07:15 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikkwmrct8R9LXzk6zP-RwKg_C+0UCUOhoV6GzBc@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> What interest is there and what are people most curious about?

A few things that I'd be interested in:

* Controlling multiple hosts for a single test
* Measure and report how long it takes to run a particular test, and
compare to previous builds
* Save artifacts, so that a stakeholder can visually inspect output
for correctness

At my job, we use the built-in "unittest" framework with a few of our
own derived classes for most of our testing, but I haven't yet found
good solutions to those problems.


-- 
Lincoln Peters
<anfrind at gmail.com>

From mamin at mbasciences.com  Sun Jan 16 22:55:09 2011
From: mamin at mbasciences.com (Minesh B. Amin)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:55:09 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikkwmrct8R9LXzk6zP-RwKg_C+0UCUOhoV6GzBc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
	<AANLkTikkwmrct8R9LXzk6zP-RwKg_C+0UCUOhoV6GzBc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1295214909.4901.51.camel@lusaka>

Coming at this problem (of testing distributed/parallel software)
from the perspective of "parallel processing", we finally realized
that a host of issues (including the ones Lincoln mentioned)
can be much better described, prototyped, implemented, tested, and 
studied by going back to basics in terms of how package management 
is done.

Our solution had to have couple of attributes:
  + pkg management must be embedded within the Python interpreter 
  + pkg dependencies must be very easy to describe, compute (if needed),
    enforce/freeze, and migrate from one snapshot to another 
  + must be very easy to describe, and run/collect stats on multiple
    runtime environments in parallel (with each having a different
    set of pkg dependencies)
  + must be able to install at any time, potentially conflicting,
    versions of the same pkg under some "install directory" ... 
    without the addition causing any problem

If interested, I can give a presentation on the what/why/how of
our solution.

Cheers!
Minesh
 
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 12:07 -0800, Lincoln Peters wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> > What interest is there and what are people most curious about?
> 
> A few things that I'd be interested in:
> 
> * Controlling multiple hosts for a single test
> * Measure and report how long it takes to run a particular test, and
> compare to previous builds
> * Save artifacts, so that a stakeholder can visually inspect output
> for correctness
> 
> At my job, we use the built-in "unittest" framework with a few of our
> own derived classes for most of our testing, but I haven't yet found
> good solutions to those problems.
> 
> 




From n8pease at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 07:15:30 2011
From: n8pease at gmail.com (Nathan Pease)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 22:15:30 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <87sjwtwona.wl%krid@otisbean.com>
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	<87sjwtwona.wl%krid@otisbean.com>
Message-ID: <1872A773-9BB4-4976-AECF-9B3953AFFC00@gmail.com>

I'm interested in how people are testing applications (as opposed to websites), distributed or local.  I'm also interested in handling the logistics of tasks like running installers or having multiple tests running at the same time on one or more computer.  And to that end I could talk some about what we've done - and I'd love to hear other stories or feedback on what we're doing.  We use SWIG to expose our code to python (generate a python api to our applications) and have a fairly thin home-grown test framework written in python.

this is a great topic, thanks for bringing it up.

nate


On Jan 15, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Dirk Bergstrom wrote:

> On 01/15/2011 01:49 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>> What interest is there and what are people most curious about?
> 
> I'd be interested in learning more about Behavior Driven Development.
> 
> I'd really like to hear about frameworks that don't require drinking a
> whole pitcher of koolaid.  Something that's easy to get into, and
> doesn't assume that you're religious about testing.
> 
> -- 
>       --------------------------------------
>      Dirk Bergstrom           krid at otisbean.com
>             http://otisbean.com/ 
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From tony at tcapp.com  Mon Jan 17 08:26:49 2011
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 23:26:49 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <1872A773-9BB4-4976-AECF-9B3953AFFC00@gmail.com>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
	<87sjwtwona.wl%krid@otisbean.com>
	<1872A773-9BB4-4976-AECF-9B3953AFFC00@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinga_itk3epgEmCX+pJ_eW_Y58aQP=mKdFhV=xr@mail.gmail.com>

> >>I'm interested in how people are testing applications (as opposed to
> websites), distributed or >>local.  I'm also interested in handling the
> logistics of tasks like running installers or having >>multiple tests
> running at the same time on one or more computer.  And to that end I could
> talk
>
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From keith at dartworks.biz  Mon Jan 17 09:19:53 2011
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:19:53 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
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=== On Sun, 01/16, Minesh B. Amin wrote: ===
> If interested, I can give a presentation on the what/why/how of
> our solution.
===

That would be nice. We came to the same conclusions as you. The
Distribute/setuptools does offer some of that functionality already.
Did you use that? If so a good talk on the use of setuptools would be
good.



-- Keith Dart

-- 

-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Keith Dart <keith at dartworks.biz>
   public key: ID: 19017044
   <http://www.dartworks.biz/>
   =====================================================================

From keith at dartworks.biz  Mon Jan 17 09:17:41 2011
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:17:41 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <251C3412-6329-4A64-9EC7-DA72772EC44E@glenjarvis.com>
References: <r420ps-1058i-C1D42D92BBE942F59075E15216B76627@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<251C3412-6329-4A64-9EC7-DA72772EC44E@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <20110117001741.7bd247ba@dartworks.biz>

=== On Sat, 01/15, Glen Jarvis wrote: ===
> If I mentioned cucumber in my previous email, I apologize. I've been
> learning cucumber to do BDD development for rails. The equivalent for
> python is lettuce. I hadn't learned lettuce yet, but it should be
> just a port of cucumber -- although I can't say that with authority.

===

It sounds like you need to narrow the scope to "web application testing
frameworks". That's the category of those that you mentioned. 

-- Keith Dart

-- 

-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From nstinemates at gmail.com  Mon Jan 17 20:53:37 2011
From: nstinemates at gmail.com (Nick Stinemates)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:53:37 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Tutorials
In-Reply-To: <r420ps-1058i-0DBFC33E3E5C43AC9ECE90D431F7246E@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r420ps-1058i-0DBFC33E3E5C43AC9ECE90D431F7246E@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>
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I was considering going To PyCon but my wife has no interest and no
one I know is going.

If I were in your situation, I'd be looking at

Python 101 / Hands on intermediate Python, whichever you feel is more applicable
Python/Django workshop
Documenting your project with Sphinx
Packaging, Documenting, and Distributing your Python Codebase

That covers all aspects of a project, except for testing. That's
(sadly) missing.

Nick


On Tuesday, January 11, 2011, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder
<Web at stevepiercy.com> wrote:
> I'm heading to PyCon, and I've looked over the list of tutorials and their descriptions. ?I'm having a hard time narrowing it down to just a few.
> http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/tutorials/
>
> For an experienced web application programmer with basic python experience, which of the tutorials would be most recommended?
>
> Also is anyone on this list attending/presenting? ?I recognized Wesley is presenting.
>
> --steve
>
> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> Steve Piercy ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Web Site Builder ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Soquel, CA
> <web at StevePiercy.com> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<http://www.StevePiercy.com/>
>
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From jesse_gough at symantec.com  Mon Jan 17 21:12:16 2011
From: jesse_gough at symantec.com (Jesse Gough)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 12:12:16 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinbb=STCvANrTfoh-wNKicUwDDhKwvLzS2BygNc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
	<20110116163603.GB7560@panix.com>
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Message-ID: <20110117201216.GA8938@symantec.com>

I am curious about this (mocking) as well. I have used unittest with
nose, and find it to be pretty adequate for testing. However, mocking
is somewhat of a pain in any language, and I have not seen an obvious
choice for how to do this in python. We have some success using
google-test and google-mock for C++, and I have not seen anything
similar for python.

Jesse

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011, Nick Stinemates wrote:

> As I have never been to a meeting, I would not feel comfortable giving
> a talk. However, this is something we deal with every day and I  would
> love to share some of the war stories we have got past, are working
> on, and plan to tackle in the future.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Sunday, January 16, 2011, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> >>
> >> What interest is there and what are people most curious about?
> >
> > I'm mostly interested in war stories about complex testing. ?For example,
> > consider an application that stores data locally in a DB and also fetches
> > data from a remote server. ?How do you mock up the server interactions?
> > (That is, client performs an operation and sends data to the server;
> > server sends back a response describing success or failure, which the
> > client then uses as feedback for further operations.)
> > --
> > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) ? ? ? ? ? <*> ? ? ? ? http://www.pythoncraft.com/
> >
> > "The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
> > given by pi*z*z*a"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
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From mamin at mbasciences.com  Tue Jan 18 00:12:20 2011
From: mamin at mbasciences.com (Minesh B. Amin)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:12:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <20110117001953.1863c214@dartworks.biz>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
	<AANLkTikkwmrct8R9LXzk6zP-RwKg_C+0UCUOhoV6GzBc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1295214909.4901.51.camel@lusaka>
	<20110117001953.1863c214@dartworks.biz>
Message-ID: <1295305940.2261.38.camel@lusaka>

Hi Keith,

It is amazing how many basic things need to be revisited 
in the context of parallelism!

Basic thing about setuptools is the design philosophy of
"single-version, externally managed". So, one has to 
manipulate "sys.path" to pick the correct version ...
something that gets out of hand very quickly when, say,
trying to run multiple versions in parallel.

Basic thing about our solution is "multiple-versions, 
internally managed". "sys.path" would point to the root 
where multiple versions reside. The actual path is 
determined by the version picked, or inferred (in case 
of default behavior).

In other words, "sys.path" should be short and sweet :)
Also, the system should tell me as early as possible when 
packages I am interested in are not present -- a really 
important feature when dealing with multiple cluster/cloud 
environments.

Regards,
Minesh

On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 00:19 -0800, Keith Dart wrote:
> That would be nice. We came to the same conclusions as you. The
> Distribute/setuptools does offer some of that functionality already.
> Did you use that? If so a good talk on the use of setuptools would be
> good.
> 
> 
> 
> -- Keith Dart
> 

-- 
MBA Sciences, Inc (www.mbasciences.com)
Tel #: 650-938-4306
Email: mamin at mbasciences.com


From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Jan 18 01:38:36 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:38:36 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Tutorials
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimEBXAv73e8fouh5BNeowGB0AdNG3SnriRBCZw7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <r420ps-1058i-0DBFC33E3E5C43AC9ECE90D431F7246E@Steve-Piercys-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<AANLkTimEBXAv73e8fouh5BNeowGB0AdNG3SnriRBCZw7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTika6aNq2xYFqvPEWxEGu+P+gN4VRUguSz=s6zzt@mail.gmail.com>

We also do a "brain dump" of the videos from PyCon for those of us who
didn't get to go. We organize it a month or so after Pycon is over. It's
something to keep in mind if you either didn't get to see a video at PyCon
because of a competing time, or if you didn't get a chance to go.

At the end of the day, the videos are always there online for us to watch.
However, it seems that we sometimes don't get around to it. Watching it as a
group kind of keeps the energy going.


http://www.meetup.com/SF-Post-PyCon-Videos/


Cheers,


Glen


On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:

> I was considering going To PyCon but my wife has no interest and no
> one I know is going.
>
> If I were in your situation, I'd be looking at
>
> Python 101 / Hands on intermediate Python, whichever you feel is more
> applicable
> Python/Django workshop
> Documenting your project with Sphinx
> Packaging, Documenting, and Distributing your Python Codebase
>
> That covers all aspects of a project, except for testing. That's
> (sadly) missing.
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2011, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder
> <Web at stevepiercy.com> wrote:
> > I'm heading to PyCon, and I've looked over the list of tutorials and
> their descriptions.  I'm having a hard time narrowing it down to just a few.
> > http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/tutorials/
> >
> > For an experienced web application programmer with basic python
> experience, which of the tutorials would be most recommended?
> >
> > Also is anyone on this list attending/presenting?  I recognized Wesley is
> presenting.
> >
> > --steve
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Steve Piercy               Web Site Builder               Soquel, CA
> > <web at StevePiercy.com>                  <http://www.StevePiercy.com/>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
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From ashish.makani at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 02:46:30 2011
From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 20:46:30 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Tutorials
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Sounds like a swell idea Glen
I would be interested in a similar group( or start one if no exists), on
popular TED talks .

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> We also do a "brain dump" of the videos from PyCon for those of us who
> didn't get to go. We organize it a month or so after Pycon is over. It's
> something to keep in mind if you either didn't get to see a video at PyCon
> because of a competing time, or if you didn't get a chance to go.
>
> At the end of the day, the videos are always there online for us to watch.
> However, it seems that we sometimes don't get around to it. Watching it as a
> group kind of keeps the energy going.
>
>
> http://www.meetup.com/SF-Post-PyCon-Videos/
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Glen
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I was considering going To PyCon but my wife has no interest and no
>> one I know is going.
>>
>> If I were in your situation, I'd be looking at
>>
>> Python 101 / Hands on intermediate Python, whichever you feel is more
>> applicable
>> Python/Django workshop
>> Documenting your project with Sphinx
>> Packaging, Documenting, and Distributing your Python Codebase
>>
>> That covers all aspects of a project, except for testing. That's
>> (sadly) missing.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2011, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder
>> <Web at stevepiercy.com> wrote:
>> > I'm heading to PyCon, and I've looked over the list of tutorials and
>> their descriptions.  I'm having a hard time narrowing it down to just a few.
>> > http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/tutorials/
>> >
>> > For an experienced web application programmer with basic python
>> experience, which of the tutorials would be most recommended?
>> >
>> > Also is anyone on this list attending/presenting?  I recognized Wesley
>> is presenting.
>> >
>> > --steve
>> >
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>> > Steve Piercy               Web Site Builder               Soquel, CA
>> > <web at StevePiercy.com>                  <http://www.StevePiercy.com/>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
> least.
>
> -- Goethe
>
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From Web at StevePiercy.com  Tue Jan 18 03:13:54 2011
From: Web at StevePiercy.com (Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:13:54 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Tutorials
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTika6aNq2xYFqvPEWxEGu+P+gN4VRUguSz=s6zzt@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for the tips and suggestions.  I appreciate it.

I signed up for these:

Wednesday AM:
web2py secrets
http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/26/

Wednesday PM:
Packaging, Documenting, and Distributing your Python Codebase
http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/32/

Thursday AM:
Hands on Beginning Python
http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/117/
(Out of all the entry-level python programming sessions, this 
was the only one that mentioned TDD.  To me it is obvious that 
learning to write code and testing that which you write should 
go hand-in-hand.  Plus "prizes"! :)  )

Thursday PM:
Documenting Your Project With Sphinx
http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/sessions/219/
(Includes some doctest stuff.  This conflicted with the "Hands 
on Intermediate Python" tutorial, but I felt learning how to use 
this documentation tool would be more important.)

I agree that the shortage of testing topics at pycon is a big disappointment.

--steve


On 1/17/11 at 4:38 PM, glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) pronounced:

>We also do a "brain dump" of the videos from PyCon for those of us who
>didn't get to go. We organize it a month or so after Pycon is over. It's
>something to keep in mind if you either didn't get to see a video at PyCon
>because of a competing time, or if you didn't get a chance to go.
>
>At the end of the day, the videos are always there online for us to watch.
>However, it seems that we sometimes don't get around to it. Watching it as a
>group kind of keeps the energy going.
>
>
>http://www.meetup.com/SF-Post-PyCon-Videos/
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>
>Glen
>
>
>On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>I was considering going To PyCon but my wife has no interest and no
>>one I know is going.
>>
>>If I were in your situation, I'd be looking at
>>
>>Python 101 / Hands on intermediate Python, whichever you feel is more
>>applicable
>>Python/Django workshop
>>Documenting your project with Sphinx
>>Packaging, Documenting, and Distributing your Python Codebase
>>
>>That covers all aspects of a project, except for testing. That's
>>(sadly) missing.
>>
>>Nick
>>
>>
>>On Tuesday, January 11, 2011, Steve Piercy - Web Site Builder
>><Web at stevepiercy.com> wrote:
>>>I'm heading to PyCon, and I've looked over the list of tutorials and
>>their descriptions.  I'm having a hard time narrowing it down to just a few.
>>>http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/lists/tutorials/
>>>
>>>For an experienced web application programmer with basic python
>>experience, which of the tutorials would be most recommended?
>>>
>>>Also is anyone on this list attending/presenting?  I recognized Wesley is
>>presenting.
>>>
>>>--steve
>>>
>>>-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>Steve Piercy               Web Site Builder               Soquel, CA
>>><web at StevePiercy.com>                  <http://www.StevePiercy.com/>
>>>
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-- --
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Soquel, CA
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From sfseth at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 03:41:32 2011
From: sfseth at gmail.com (Seth Friedman)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:41:32 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <1295305940.2261.38.camel@lusaka>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
	<AANLkTikkwmrct8R9LXzk6zP-RwKg_C+0UCUOhoV6GzBc@mail.gmail.com>
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One topic I've been thinking about and been excited but haven't yet had the
opportunity to implement very fully is using metaprogramming for distributed
grid style testing, with some of the "fit" model.   I'd love to hear someone
talk on implementing this more fully.

Like I've been thinking, if my goal is to execute 1000 tests on each of 8
platforms, thing "A" is to abstract all the general technical stuff involved
in cross platform testing, like hide the differences in command line args
from the test so test writer can say "give me a process listing that outputs
the count of a process" and the library pipes it to the right ps command for
the platform.  Then if test executors can be determined on the fly - say 5
workers get 200 tests each.

One place we had this mostly implemented, running off of google
spreadsheets-as-a-DB with Cog, i think. It would take all the parameters of
the "test" (spreadsheet; test suite is a row) and it would generate the
actual executed code, which has all the specific implementations.    With
these things and a couple other pieces of data-driven stuff the tester could
stay focused on the business logic of what they're trying to test rather
than get bogged down in the details of running a large battery of tests
across 40, substantially different machines.

So, i'm curious if anyone has experience doing stuff like this, sort of
applying the "fit" model of automated testing, to big scale testing
challenges?

seth

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Minesh B. Amin <mamin at mbasciences.com>wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> It is amazing how many basic things need to be revisited
> in the context of parallelism!
>
> Basic thing about setuptools is the design philosophy of
> "single-version, externally managed". So, one has to
> manipulate "sys.path" to pick the correct version ...
> something that gets out of hand very quickly when, say,
> trying to run multiple versions in parallel.
>
> Basic thing about our solution is "multiple-versions,
> internally managed". "sys.path" would point to the root
> where multiple versions reside. The actual path is
> determined by the version picked, or inferred (in case
> of default behavior).
>
> In other words, "sys.path" should be short and sweet :)
> Also, the system should tell me as early as possible when
> packages I am interested in are not present -- a really
> important feature when dealing with multiple cluster/cloud
> environments.
>
> Regards,
> Minesh
>
> On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 00:19 -0800, Keith Dart wrote:
> > That would be nice. We came to the same conclusions as you. The
> > Distribute/setuptools does offer some of that functionality already.
> > Did you use that? If so a good talk on the use of setuptools would be
> > good.
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Keith Dart
> >
>
> --
> MBA Sciences, Inc (www.mbasciences.com)
> Tel #: 650-938-4306
> Email: mamin at mbasciences.com
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From mamin at mbasciences.com  Tue Jan 18 19:20:56 2011
From: mamin at mbasciences.com (Minesh B. Amin)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:20:56 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A talk on testing frameworks
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin5HVyHhV=o7Zh_puMKabS85AS9k+WtammRCdvx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A6000D17-14D6-4022-8338-2BBA62D23A8A@glenjarvis.com>
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Message-ID: <1295374856.10459.42.camel@lusaka>

Hi Seth,

> So, i'm curious if anyone has experience doing stuff like this, sort
> of applying the "fit" model of automated testing, to big scale testing
> challenges?  

I am not sure about the "fit" model of automated testing.

However, if you accept the premise that the DAG for a suite of tests has
a lot of attributes in common with the DAG for a typical build system,
check out an approach first described by Prof. D. J. Bernstein
( http://cr.yp.to/redo.html ). 

Avery Pennarun recently implemented this build system in Python in under
a month ( http://apenwarr.ca/log/?m=201012#14 ) !

I would classify solutions in this space as:
  make             -> generation 1.0, 
  CMake, SCons     -> generation 2.0,
  Avery's approach -> generation 3.0

Notice that with each generation, less and less is expected from the
developer ... while more and more is expected from the "system" :)

Cheers!

Minesh


From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 21:05:47 2011
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:05:47 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for someone to review Manning's "Hello Python"
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQ0Owakve7HPMecBnzHtiNAPFUMR3xD7EOUhMb@mail.gmail.com>

Manning is looking for someone to review this book
http://manning.com/briggs/

If you are interested, please reply off list.

Manning is offering this book in eBook only, at the moment.


Thanks

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Jan 25 15:51:30 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:51:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Call for Proposals (deadline 2/7)
Message-ID: <20110125145130.67A6D32092@mailbackend.panix.com>

OSCON (O'Reilly Open Source Convention), the premier Open Source
gathering, will be held in Portland, OR July 25-29.  We're looking for
people to deliver tutorials and shorter presentations.

http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011
http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011/public/cfp/144

Hope to see you there!
--
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of     
indirection."  --Butler Lampson

From lac at openend.se  Tue Jan 25 23:14:12 2011
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:14:12 +0100
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello Bay Piggies, interested in a PyPy talk?
Message-ID: <201101252214.p0PMEC8h012180@theraft.openend.se>

Armin Rigo will be giving a talk about PyPy at Stanford on March 2nd.
While we were in the Bay Area, we wondered if other people would be
interested in a talk.  Unfortunately, we won't be around for a
4th Thursday.  But if people were interested, and if there was a
place where we could meet, we'd be happy to give a talk or come to
a meeting, or whatever you think is appropriate.

Thank you very much for your consideration,
and please reply to me directly since I am not on this list.

Laura Creighton

From jim at well.com  Wed Jan 26 00:54:56 2011
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:54:56 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello Bay Piggies, interested in a PyPy talk?
In-Reply-To: <201101252214.p0PMEC8h012180@theraft.openend.se>
References: <201101252214.p0PMEC8h012180@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <1295999696.1816.65.camel@jim-laptop>


noisebridge is a possibility: 
    2169 mission street between 17th and 18th in 
san francisco. 
    it's a 5000 square foot space on the third floor 
that has a variety of sub-spaces, including two 
classroom areas that can accommodate over a dozen 
people, maybe as many as twenty in the more open 
classroom. 
    there's no particular rental, but there's an 
expectation of some kind of contribution toward
the cost of keeping the place going. 
    the events on the main page are a fairly up to 
date list you can use to see if there's a day and 
time that suits you. if you don't see such, ask 
and maybe i or someone else knows of something that 
will help. 
http://www.noisebridge.net 



On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 23:14 +0100, Laura Creighton wrote:
> Armin Rigo will be giving a talk about PyPy at Stanford on March 2nd.
> While we were in the Bay Area, we wondered if other people would be
> interested in a talk.  Unfortunately, we won't be around for a
> 4th Thursday.  But if people were interested, and if there was a
> place where we could meet, we'd be happy to give a talk or come to
> a meeting, or whatever you think is appropriate.
> 
> Thank you very much for your consideration,
> and please reply to me directly since I am not on this list.
> 
> Laura Creighton
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From tony at tcapp.com  Wed Jan 26 02:03:01 2011
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:03:01 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello Bay Piggies, interested in a PyPy talk?
In-Reply-To: <201101252214.p0PMEC8h012180@theraft.openend.se>
References: <201101252214.p0PMEC8h012180@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiniytmzaMJcL4k_6QjDxb_qPg0-C+TE95T4+3Jt@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any chance Google would be willing to host this ?

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
> Armin Rigo will be giving a talk about PyPy at Stanford on March 2nd.
> While we were in the Bay Area, we wondered if other people would be
> interested in a talk. ?Unfortunately, we won't be around for a
> 4th Thursday. ?But if people were interested, and if there was a
> place where we could meet, we'd be happy to give a talk or come to
> a meeting, or whatever you think is appropriate.
>
> Thank you very much for your consideration,
> and please reply to me directly since I am not on this list.
>
> Laura Creighton
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From jimmy at retzlaff.com  Wed Jan 26 03:06:45 2011
From: jimmy at retzlaff.com (Jimmy Retzlaff)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 18:06:45 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello Bay Piggies, interested in a PyPy talk?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiniytmzaMJcL4k_6QjDxb_qPg0-C+TE95T4+3Jt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201101252214.p0PMEC8h012180@theraft.openend.se>
	<AANLkTiniytmzaMJcL4k_6QjDxb_qPg0-C+TE95T4+3Jt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=QcNTWEwj1ytgnMEAv86JusW084VgXnKstwH5w@mail.gmail.com>

If people want to come up to the city, then Yelp (3rd & Mission, 2
blocks from BART) can host up to ~100 people for something like this.

Jimmy

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Tony Cappellini <tony at tcapp.com> wrote:
> Is there any chance Google would be willing to host this ?
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
>> Armin Rigo will be giving a talk about PyPy at Stanford on March 2nd.
>> While we were in the Bay Area, we wondered if other people would be
>> interested in a talk. ?Unfortunately, we won't be around for a
>> 4th Thursday. ?But if people were interested, and if there was a
>> place where we could meet, we'd be happy to give a talk or come to
>> a meeting, or whatever you think is appropriate.
>>
>> Thank you very much for your consideration,
>> and please reply to me directly since I am not on this list.
>>
>> Laura Creighton
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
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From ashish.makani at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 04:00:22 2011
From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:00:22 -0600
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello Bay Piggies, interested in a PyPy talk?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=QcNTWEwj1ytgnMEAv86JusW084VgXnKstwH5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201101252214.p0PMEC8h012180@theraft.openend.se>
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	<AANLkTi=QcNTWEwj1ytgnMEAv86JusW084VgXnKstwH5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiksh2MSV9OFpmwxu3k-NjggfY=2POhy6Vyui-Yw@mail.gmail.com>

1.
Laura, Armin
Can you point us to the details( venue, time, etc) of the talk at Stanford
on 2nd March.

2. +1 for yelp, as it's close to bart :)

Thanks a ton

Best,
ashish

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Jimmy Retzlaff <jimmy at retzlaff.com> wrote:

> If people want to come up to the city, then Yelp (3rd & Mission, 2
> blocks from BART) can host up to ~100 people for something like this.
>
> Jimmy
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Tony Cappellini <tony at tcapp.com> wrote:
> > Is there any chance Google would be willing to host this ?
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
> >> Armin Rigo will be giving a talk about PyPy at Stanford on March 2nd.
> >> While we were in the Bay Area, we wondered if other people would be
> >> interested in a talk.  Unfortunately, we won't be around for a
> >> 4th Thursday.  But if people were interested, and if there was a
> >> place where we could meet, we'd be happy to give a talk or come to
> >> a meeting, or whatever you think is appropriate.
> >>
> >> Thank you very much for your consideration,
> >> and please reply to me directly since I am not on this list.
> >>
> >> Laura Creighton
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Baypiggies mailing list
> >> Baypiggies at python.org
> >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >>
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From tungwaiyip at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 26 04:52:07 2011
From: tungwaiyip at yahoo.com (Tung Wai Yip)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:52:07 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello Bay Piggies, interested in a PyPy talk?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiksh2MSV9OFpmwxu3k-NjggfY=2POhy6Vyui-Yw@mail.gmail.com>
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+1


> 1.
> Laura, Armin
> Can you point us to the details( venue, time, etc) of the talk at  
> Stanford
> on 2nd March.
>
> 2. +1 for yelp, as it's close to bart :)
>
> Thanks a ton
>
> Best,
> ashish
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Jimmy Retzlaff <jimmy at retzlaff.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> If people want to come up to the city, then Yelp (3rd & Mission, 2
>> blocks from BART) can host up to ~100 people for something like this.
>>
>> Jimmy
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Tony Cappellini <tony at tcapp.com> wrote:
>> > Is there any chance Google would be willing to host this ?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>  
>> wrote:
>> >> Armin Rigo will be giving a talk about PyPy at Stanford on March 2nd.
>> >> While we were in the Bay Area, we wondered if other people would be
>> >> interested in a talk.  Unfortunately, we won't be around for a
>> >> 4th Thursday.  But if people were interested, and if there was a
>> >> place where we could meet, we'd be happy to give a talk or come to
>> >> a meeting, or whatever you think is appropriate.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you very much for your consideration,
>> >> and please reply to me directly since I am not on this list.
>> >>
>> >> Laura Creighton
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Baypiggies mailing list
>> >> Baypiggies at python.org
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From lac at openend.se  Wed Jan 26 06:54:00 2011
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 06:54:00 +0100
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello Bay Piggies, interested in a PyPy talk?
In-Reply-To: Message from Tony Cappellini <tony@tcapp.com> of "Tue,
	25 Jan 2011 17:03:01 PST."
	<AANLkTiniytmzaMJcL4k_6QjDxb_qPg0-C+TE95T4+3Jt@mail.gmail.com> 
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Message-ID: <201101260554.p0Q5s0DM021569@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:03:01 PST, Tony Cappellini writes:
>Is there any chance Google would be willing to host this ?

I've mailed Peter Norvig, whom I happen to know personally, but I
haven't heard back from him yet.

Laura


From lac at openend.se  Wed Jan 26 07:10:56 2011
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:10:56 +0100
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello Bay Piggies, interested in a PyPy talk?
In-Reply-To: Message from Dirk Bergstrom <krid@otisbean.com> 
	of "Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:06:14 PST." <4D3F7386.8090507@otisbean.com> 
References: <201101252214.p0PMEC8h012180@theraft.openend.se>
	<1295999696.1816.65.camel@jim-laptop>
	<4D3F7386.8090507@otisbean.com> 
Message-ID: <201101260610.p0Q6AuId023366@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:06:14 PST, Dirk Bergstrom writes:
>Hacker Dojo is the South Bay equivalent to Noisebridge:
>
>http://wiki.hackerdojo.com/w/page/467454/About-Hacker-Dojo
>
>It's in Mountain View, about a mile and half from the regular Bay 
>Piggies meeting place.
>
>-- 
>        --------------------------------------
>       Dirk Bergstrom           krid at otisbean.com
>              http://otisbean.com/

I do a lot of things at the Gothenburg hackerspace:
http://gbg.hackerspace.se/site/  (site only in Swedish).  It would
be great to have a meeting there.  It would also be great to have
a hands-on type 2 day introduction to PyPy sprint (which I think
is pretty much the same thing as what some of you call a hack-a-thon,
at any rate wikiepedia thinks we probably should merge the topics,
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_%28software_development%29).

Having a place, or better yet 2 places where we could meet with 
people and actually write code with them for a few days would be
really great.  Assuming, of course, there are people on your end
who want to write code with us.  But even if there aren't people,
hacking in your spaces sounds one heck of a lot more fun than hacking
in the hotel room, which is what we would probably be doing otherwise.

Could this sort of thing work?

Laura

From lac at openend.se  Wed Jan 26 07:22:10 2011
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:22:10 +0100
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello Bay Piggies, interested in a PyPy talk?
In-Reply-To: Message from ashish makani <ashish.makani@gmail.com> of "Tue,
	25 Jan 2011 21:00:22 CST."
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In a message of Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:00:22 CST, ashish makani writes:
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>1.
>Laura, Armin
>Can you point us to the details( venue, time, etc) of the talk at Stanfor
>d
>on 2nd March.
>
>2. +1 for yelp, as it's close to bart :)
>
>Thanks a ton
>
>Best,
>ashish

Here is the link for the talk. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_%28software_development%29

We've given them more information, but right now its not entirely
clear what exactly they wish Armin to speak about.  Probably the
Jit generator, but there are other hot research areas handled by PyPy
-- component based plugable garbage collection, or the stackless
transform, also plugable -- so I guess we will find out what they are
more precisely interested in soon.

Thanks very much,
Laura 

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Jan 27 04:12:13 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:12:13 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
Message-ID: <AANLkTin34dJn0jeggRjmBw7CM7=6iOE18x0cUVEyEZdH@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?

I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm on a
mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
slides.

https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf

Cheers,


Glen
-- 
Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
least.

-- Goethe
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From nstinemates at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 04:27:45 2011
From: nstinemates at gmail.com (Nick Stinemates)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:27:45 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin34dJn0jeggRjmBw7CM7=6iOE18x0cUVEyEZdH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin34dJn0jeggRjmBw7CM7=6iOE18x0cUVEyEZdH@mail.gmail.com>
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If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join you.

Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?

Let me know
Nick

On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm on a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these slides.
>
> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Glen--
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least.
>
> -- Goethe
>
>

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Jan 27 04:40:20 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:40:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimEMUKEEGhY2kEhZMpnKGj-wNTaT0qgBx5AmH0x@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin34dJn0jeggRjmBw7CM7=6iOE18x0cUVEyEZdH@mail.gmail.com>
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Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you going
tomorrow night?)

>From our website:

Thursday, Jan 27, 2011

*7:30 pm:* General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any
first-minute announcements.

*7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program*



*Topic: *

*Abstract:*Introduction to CouchDB

This talk introduces one 'NoSQL' solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to
play well with Python. Topics covered:
* Introduction to CouchDB
* A python ORM for CouchDB
* Parsing CouchDB documents within python
* Writing view functions in python
* Map/reduce on CouchDB from python
* Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at scale
under high load


*Speaker: Luke Gostlings
*
*Bio:*
Luke is a lead engineer at about.me (recently acquired by AOL). His prior
positions were in: network security research, online payments, and small
company stock offering markets. He has done contract work in the social and
on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble in NoSQL technologies, computer
security, and financial markets. He has previously presented at CCCamp, San
Francisco Startup Weekend, and RSAConference.

http://about.me/luke

*Topic: Newbie Nugget: *Using zip() with Django

*Speaker:Vicky Tuite
*

*LINKS:*


**

*8:40 - 9 pm: **Mapping/Random Access*

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer is
interested in.

Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on topics
of interest.
*


*

Cheers,


Glen

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:

> If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join you.
>
> Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>
> Let me know
> Nick
>
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> > Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
> > I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm on a
> mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
> slides.
> >
> > https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> > Glen--
> > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
> matter least.
> >
> > -- Goethe
> >
> >
>



-- 
Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
least.

-- Goethe
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From nstinemates at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 05:01:32 2011
From: nstinemates at gmail.com (Nick Stinemates)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:01:32 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxk94X8hZGPv0oTZ0OWxTu23ePqDD5DNtAdhnJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin34dJn0jeggRjmBw7CM7=6iOE18x0cUVEyEZdH@mail.gmail.com>
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I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.

I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
my part. We will see!

Nick



On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after? ?(Are you going tomorrow night?)
> From our website:
>
> Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
> 7:30 pm:?General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any first-minute announcements.
> 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>
> Topic:
> Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL' solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python. Topics covered:
> * Introduction to CouchDB?* A python ORM for CouchDB?* Parsing CouchDB documents within python?* Writing view functions in python?* Map/reduce on CouchDB from python
> * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at scale under high load
> Speaker: Luke Gostlings
> Bio:?Luke is a lead engineer at?about.me?<http://about.me/>?(recently acquired by AOL).?His prior positions were in: network security research, online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces.?He likes to dabble in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and RSAConference.
> ?http://about.me/luke
>
> Topic: Newbie Nugget:?Using zip() with Django
> Speaker:Vicky Tuite
> LINKS:
>
>
>
> 8:40 - 9 pm:?Mapping/Random Access
> Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer is interested in.
> Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on topics of interest.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Glen
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join you.
>
> Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>
> Let me know
> Nick
>
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm on a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these slides.
>>
>> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Glen--
>> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least.
>>
>> -- Goethe
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least.
>
> -- Goethe
>
>

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Jan 27 05:24:46 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:24:46 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik6h2L8oMVfKB0fWwsPcgEFQe_S-cWarU0Bvgbe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin34dJn0jeggRjmBw7CM7=6iOE18x0cUVEyEZdH@mail.gmail.com>
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For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In fact, I don't
just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I live in SF and work in
Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I usually come in
early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley in time and get down there
by the time we start.

Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time as public
transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one way) to the trip.

So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while... usually for
the socializing before, after and the stuff that I always learn from other
people around me.

Cheers,


Glen


On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:

> I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>
> I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
> my part. We will see!
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you going
> tomorrow night?)
> > From our website:
> >
> > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
> > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any
> first-minute announcements.
> > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
> >
> > Topic:
> > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL'
> solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python. Topics
> covered:
> > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing CouchDB
> documents within python * Writing view functions in python * Map/reduce on
> CouchDB from python
> > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at
> scale under high load
> > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
> > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me/> (recently
> acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in: network security research,
> online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done
> contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble
> in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has
> previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and
> RSAConference.
> >  http://about.me/luke
> >
> > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
> > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
> > LINKS:
> >
> >
> >
> > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
> > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer is
> interested in.
> > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on
> topics of interest.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Glen
> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join you.
> >
> > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
> >
> > Let me know
> > Nick
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
> >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm on a
> mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
> slides.
> >>
> >> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >>
> >> Glen--
> >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
> matter least.
> >>
> >> -- Goethe
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
> matter least.
> >
> > -- Goethe
> >
> >
>



-- 
Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
least.

-- Goethe
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From bryceverdier at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 17:44:44 2011
From: bryceverdier at gmail.com (Bryce Verdier)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:44:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
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References: <AANLkTin34dJn0jeggRjmBw7CM7=6iOE18x0cUVEyEZdH@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimEMUKEEGhY2kEhZMpnKGj-wNTaT0qgBx5AmH0x@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTimxk94X8hZGPv0oTZ0OWxTu23ePqDD5DNtAdhnJ@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTik6h2L8oMVfKB0fWwsPcgEFQe_S-cWarU0Bvgbe@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm impressed.

Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing some 
concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at Noisebridge?

Bryce

On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In fact, I 
> don't just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I live in SF 
> and work in Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I 
> usually come in early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley in 
> time and get down there by the time we start.
>
> Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time as 
> public transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one way) to 
> the trip.
>
> So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while... usually 
> for the socializing before, after and the stuff that I always learn 
> from other people around me.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Glen
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates 
> <nstinemates at gmail.com <mailto:nstinemates at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>
>     I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
>     my part. We will see!
>
>     Nick
>
>
>
>     On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com
>     <mailto:glen at glenjarvis.com>> wrote:
>     > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you
>     going tomorrow night?)
>     > From our website:
>     >
>     > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>     > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements,
>     any first-minute announcements.
>     > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>     >
>     > Topic:
>     > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL'
>     solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python.
>     Topics covered:
>     > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing
>     CouchDB documents within python * Writing view functions in
>     python * Map/reduce on CouchDB from python
>     > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live
>     deployment at scale under high load
>     > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>     > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me>
>     <http://about.me/> (recently acquired by AOL). His prior positions
>     were in: network security research, online payments, and small
>     company stock offering markets. He has done contract work in the
>     social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble in NoSQL
>     technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has
>     previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and
>     RSAConference.
>     > http://about.me/luke
>     >
>     > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>     > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>     > LINKS:
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>     > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the
>     announcer is interested in.
>     > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up
>     individually on topics of interest.
>     >
>     > Cheers,
>     >
>     > Glen
>     > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates
>     <nstinemates at gmail.com <mailto:nstinemates at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to
>     join you.
>     >
>     > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>     >
>     > Let me know
>     > Nick
>     >
>     > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com
>     <mailto:glen at glenjarvis.com>> wrote:
>     >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>     >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and
>     I'm on a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high
>     level, from these slides.
>     >>
>     >> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>     >>
>     >> Cheers,
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Glen--
>     >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things
>     which matter least.
>     >>
>     >> -- Goethe
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things
>     which matter least.
>     >
>     > -- Goethe
>     >
>     >
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which 
> matter least.
>
> -- Goethe
>
>
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From nstinemates at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 18:23:13 2011
From: nstinemates at gmail.com (Nick Stinemates)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:23:13 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
In-Reply-To: <4D41A0FC.1070505@gmail.com>
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One of the guys on my team is in from Florida and now wants to go. Looks
like I can't let him down so I will see you guys tonight!

Thanks for the reminder/invite, Glen.

Nick

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm impressed.
>
> Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing some
> concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at Noisebridge?
>
> Bryce
>
>
> On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In fact, I don't
> just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I live in SF and work in
> Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I usually come in
> early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley in time and get down there
> by the time we start.
>
>  Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time as
> public transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one way) to the
> trip.
>
>  So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while... usually for
> the socializing before, after and the stuff that I always learn from other
> people around me.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>
>  Glen
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>>
>> I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
>> my part. We will see!
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>>  > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you going
>> tomorrow night?)
>> > From our website:
>> >
>> > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>> > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any
>> first-minute announcements.
>> > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>> >
>> > Topic:
>>  > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL'
>> solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python. Topics
>> covered:
>> > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing CouchDB
>> documents within python * Writing view functions in python * Map/reduce on
>> CouchDB from python
>> > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at
>> scale under high load
>> > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>>  > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me/> (recently
>> acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in: network security research,
>> online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done
>> contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble
>> in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has
>> previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and
>> RSAConference.
>>  >  http://about.me/luke
>> >
>> > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>> > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>> > LINKS:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>> > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer is
>> interested in.
>> > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on
>> topics of interest.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Glen
>> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join you.
>> >
>> > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>> >
>> > Let me know
>> > Nick
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>> >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm on
>> a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
>> slides.
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Glen--
>> >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>> matter least.
>> >>
>> >> -- Goethe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>> matter least.
>> >
>> > -- Goethe
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
> least.
>
> -- Goethe
>
>
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From jim at systemateka.com  Thu Jan 27 20:22:28 2011
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:22:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting Tonight, Thursday, January 27,
 2011:  Introduction to CouchDB
Message-ID: <1296156148.1882.65.camel@jim-laptop>



BayPIGgies meeting Tonight, Thursday, January 27, 2011:  Introduction to
CouchDB 


This meeting's talk is 
Introduction to CouchDB 
by Luke Gostlings 

This talk introduces one 'NoSQL' solution, CouchDB, and how to get it
to 
play well with Python. Topics covered: 
* Introduction to CouchDB 
* A python ORM for CouchDB 
* Parsing CouchDB documents within python 
* Writing view functions in python 
* Map/reduce on CouchDB from python 
* Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment 
  at scale under high load
 
Speaker Bio: Luke Gostlings
Luke is a lead engineer at about.me (recently acquired by AOL). 
His prior positions were in: network security research, online
payments, 
and small company stock offering markets. He has done contract work in 
the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble in NoSQL 
technologies, computer security, and financial markets. 
He has previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, 
and RSAConference.
 
http://about.me/luke

.........................................

Meetings usually start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of 
an essential Python feature, especially for those new to Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: 
Using zip() with Django, presented by Vicky Tuite



LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://www.baypiggies.net/ 


------------------------ Agenda ------------------------


..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, 
any first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:45 PM ................
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django, 
presented by Vicky Tuite
 


..... 7:45 PM to 8:25 PM (or so) ................
The talk: Introduction to CouchDB 


..... 8:25 PM to 8:55 PM (or so) ................
Questions and Answers 


..... 8:55 PM to 9:30 PM (or so) ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, 
hiring, events, and other topics. 

Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow 
up on the announcements and other interests.



From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 21:23:22 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 14:23:22 -0600
Subject: [Baypiggies] PSF Sprints - Call For Applications
Message-ID: <AANLkTin3Hm9R0yJ7bPkES3k+4yV3PCdRx8EN6Gnv6JoA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello BayPIGgies!

On behalf of the Python Software Foundation?s sponsored sprint group, I
wanted to drop your group a quick note introducing us. If you?re already
familiar with our sponsored sprints, you?ll be happy to know we made a few
changes to help both sprint groups and Python even more.

The PSF recently set aside funding to be distributed to groups who spend
time contributing to the Python ecosystem, often in the form of development
sprints. Our goal is to help you help Python, so whether it?s buying meals
or renting meeting space for your all-day hackathon, we have a budget set
aside to reimburse your expenses up to $300 (up from $250).
If your goal is to make the Python world a better place, and you work on the
problems facing Python today, we want to help you. We?re looking for groups
of hackers that spend their time fixing and expanding the wide variety of
Python interpreters, libraries, tools, and anything else affecting the
community.We?re also looking for groups who want to help and get started but
don?t have the resources to get together. Whether your group is separated by
a train ride or lacking a shared space, we want to help you. On-boarding new
contributors to open source Python projects is an especially important area
that we?d like to work with.This means if you have a Python project and you
want to sprint -- we want to help you.Some sprints we?ve sponsored include
the porting of Genshi to Python 3, improvements to packaging
(Distribute/distutils), and most recently, the PyPy winter sprint in
Switzerland.

If your group is interested in hosting a sprint, check out the full details
of our call for applications at http://www.pythonsprints.com/cfa/ and
contact us at sprints at python.org.

Thanks for your time, and happy sprinting!

Brian Curtin
Jesse Noller
http://www.pythonsprints.com/ <http://pythonsprints.com/>
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Fri Jan 28 01:10:34 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:10:34 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
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Ack. I am finishing something at work after all. I'm going to miss tonight.
Nick, I hope you have a good time tonight.

Good luck all!

Cheers,


Glen

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:

> One of the guys on my team is in from Florida and now wants to go. Looks
> like I can't let him down so I will see you guys tonight!
>
> Thanks for the reminder/invite, Glen.
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm
>> impressed.
>>
>> Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing some
>> concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at Noisebridge?
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
>> On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>
>> For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In fact, I
>> don't just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I live in SF and work
>> in Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I usually come in
>> early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley in time and get down there
>> by the time we start.
>>
>>  Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time as
>> public transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one way) to the
>> trip.
>>
>>  So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while... usually
>> for the socializing before, after and the stuff that I always learn from
>> other people around me.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>
>>
>>  Glen
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>>>
>>> I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
>>> my part. We will see!
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>>>  > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you going
>>> tomorrow night?)
>>> > From our website:
>>> >
>>> > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>>> > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any
>>> first-minute announcements.
>>> > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>>> >
>>> > Topic:
>>>  > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL'
>>> solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python. Topics
>>> covered:
>>> > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing CouchDB
>>> documents within python * Writing view functions in python * Map/reduce on
>>> CouchDB from python
>>> > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at
>>> scale under high load
>>> > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>>>  > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me/> (recently
>>> acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in: network security research,
>>> online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done
>>> contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble
>>> in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has
>>> previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and
>>> RSAConference.
>>>  >  http://about.me/luke
>>> >
>>> > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>>> > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>>> > LINKS:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>>> > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer
>>> is interested in.
>>> > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on
>>> topics of interest.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Glen
>>> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <
>>> nstinemates at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join you.
>>> >
>>> > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>>> >
>>> > Let me know
>>> > Nick
>>> >
>>> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>>> >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm on
>>> a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
>>> slides.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Glen--
>>> >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>> matter least.
>>> >>
>>> >> -- Goethe
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>> matter least.
>>> >
>>> > -- Goethe
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
>> least.
>>
>> -- Goethe
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jan 28 01:23:44 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:23:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Hello Bay Piggies, interested in a PyPy talk?
In-Reply-To: <201101260622.p0Q6MAWB024299@theraft.openend.se>
References: <201101252214.p0PMEC8h012180@theraft.openend.se>
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On Wed, Jan 26, 2011, Laura Creighton wrote:
>
> Here is the link for the talk. 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_%28software_development%29

Is that actually the correct link?  Or did you copy/paste from something
else?
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of     
indirection."  --Butler Lampson

From nstinemates at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 07:56:53 2011
From: nstinemates at gmail.com (Nick Stinemates)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 22:56:53 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikcMTM2E9TK4c1TNBhB6mJ=hivkqKnFQTNb=g-5@mail.gmail.com>
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Had a blast. Great group of people.

Luke, I have some feedback for you I'll send separately. Thanks for the
great talk.

Nick

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> Ack. I am finishing something at work after all. I'm going to miss tonight.
> Nick, I hope you have a good time tonight.
>
> Good luck all!
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Glen
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> One of the guys on my team is in from Florida and now wants to go. Looks
>> like I can't let him down so I will see you guys tonight!
>>
>> Thanks for the reminder/invite, Glen.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm
>>> impressed.
>>>
>>> Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing some
>>> concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at Noisebridge?
>>>
>>> Bryce
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In fact, I
>>> don't just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I live in SF and work
>>> in Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I usually come in
>>> early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley in time and get down there
>>> by the time we start.
>>>
>>>  Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time as
>>> public transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one way) to the
>>> trip.
>>>
>>>  So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while... usually
>>> for the socializing before, after and the stuff that I always learn from
>>> other people around me.
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>  Glen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>>>>
>>>> I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
>>>> my part. We will see!
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>  > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you
>>>> going tomorrow night?)
>>>> > From our website:
>>>> >
>>>> > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>>>> > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any
>>>> first-minute announcements.
>>>> > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>>>> >
>>>> > Topic:
>>>>  > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL'
>>>> solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python. Topics
>>>> covered:
>>>> > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing CouchDB
>>>> documents within python * Writing view functions in python * Map/reduce on
>>>> CouchDB from python
>>>> > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at
>>>> scale under high load
>>>> > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>>>>  > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me/> (recently
>>>> acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in: network security research,
>>>> online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done
>>>> contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble
>>>> in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has
>>>> previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and
>>>> RSAConference.
>>>>  >  http://about.me/luke
>>>> >
>>>> > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>>>> > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>>>> > LINKS:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>>>> > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer
>>>> is interested in.
>>>> > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on
>>>> topics of interest.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> > Glen
>>>> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <
>>>> nstinemates at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join
>>>> you.
>>>> >
>>>> > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>>>> >
>>>> > Let me know
>>>> > Nick
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>>>> >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm
>>>> on a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
>>>> slides.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Glen--
>>>> >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>>> matter least.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -- Goethe
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>>> matter least.
>>>> >
>>>> > -- Goethe
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>> matter least.
>>>
>>> -- Goethe
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Baypiggies mailing listBaypiggies at python.org
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Fri Jan 28 08:59:57 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:59:57 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
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I think that's a great idea. Friday night it is :)

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm impressed.
>
> Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing some
> concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at Noisebridge?
>
> Bryce
>
>
> On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In fact, I don't
> just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I live in SF and work in
> Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I usually come in
> early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley in time and get down there
> by the time we start.
>
>  Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time as
> public transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one way) to the
> trip.
>
>  So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while... usually for
> the socializing before, after and the stuff that I always learn from other
> people around me.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>
>  Glen
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>>
>> I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
>> my part. We will see!
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>>  > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you going
>> tomorrow night?)
>> > From our website:
>> >
>> > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>> > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any
>> first-minute announcements.
>> > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>> >
>> > Topic:
>>  > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL'
>> solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python. Topics
>> covered:
>> > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing CouchDB
>> documents within python * Writing view functions in python * Map/reduce on
>> CouchDB from python
>> > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at
>> scale under high load
>> > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>>  > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me/> (recently
>> acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in: network security research,
>> online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done
>> contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble
>> in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has
>> previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and
>> RSAConference.
>>  >  http://about.me/luke
>> >
>> > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>> > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>> > LINKS:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>> > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer is
>> interested in.
>> > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on
>> topics of interest.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Glen
>> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join you.
>> >
>> > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>> >
>> > Let me know
>> > Nick
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>> >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm on
>> a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
>> slides.
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Glen--
>> >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>> matter least.
>> >>
>> >> -- Goethe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>> matter least.
>> >
>> > -- Goethe
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
> least.
>
> -- Goethe
>
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From bryceverdier at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 17:43:26 2011
From: bryceverdier at gmail.com (Bryce Verdier)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:43:26 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
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What time is everyone thinking regarding this? I'd like to know in order 
to help me plan my evening.

Sorry I missed last night, I was really looking forward to it. Are there 
slides?

Bryce


On 01/27/2011 11:59 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> I think that's a great idea. Friday night it is :)
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bryceverdier at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm
>     impressed.
>
>     Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing some
>     concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at Noisebridge?
>
>     Bryce
>
>
>     On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>     For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In
>>     fact, I don't just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I
>>     live in SF and work in Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't
>>     have a car. So, I usually come in early on some days so I can get
>>     out of Berkeley in time and get down there by the time we start.
>>
>>     Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time
>>     as public transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one
>>     way) to the trip.
>>
>>     So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while...
>>     usually for the socializing before, after and the stuff that I
>>     always learn from other people around me.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>
>>     Glen
>>
>>
>>     On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates
>>     <nstinemates at gmail.com <mailto:nstinemates at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>>
>>         I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special
>>         effort on
>>         my part. We will see!
>>
>>         Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis
>>         <glen at glenjarvis.com <mailto:glen at glenjarvis.com>> wrote:
>>         > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are
>>         you going tomorrow night?)
>>         > From our website:
>>         >
>>         > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>>         > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting
>>         announcements, any first-minute announcements.
>>         > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>>         >
>>         > Topic:
>>         > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one
>>         'NoSQL' solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well
>>         with Python. Topics covered:
>>         > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB *
>>         Parsing CouchDB documents within python * Writing view
>>         functions in python * Map/reduce on CouchDB from python
>>         > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live
>>         deployment at scale under high load
>>         > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>>         > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me>
>>         <http://about.me/> (recently acquired by AOL). His prior
>>         positions were in: network security research, online
>>         payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has
>>         done contract work in the social and on-demand media
>>         spaces. He likes to dabble in NoSQL technologies, computer
>>         security, and financial markets. He has previously presented
>>         at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and RSAConference.
>>         > http://about.me/luke
>>         >
>>         > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>>         > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>>         > LINKS:
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>>         > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the
>>         announcer is interested in.
>>         > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up
>>         individually on topics of interest.
>>         >
>>         > Cheers,
>>         >
>>         > Glen
>>         > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates
>>         <nstinemates at gmail.com <mailto:nstinemates at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>         > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy
>>         to join you.
>>         >
>>         > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>>         >
>>         > Let me know
>>         > Nick
>>         >
>>         > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis
>>         <glen at glenjarvis.com <mailto:glen at glenjarvis.com>> wrote:
>>         >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>>         >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his
>>         presentations and I'm on a mission to understand all of the
>>         concepts, at a high level, from these slides.
>>         >>
>>         >>
>>         https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>>         >>
>>         >> Cheers,
>>         >>
>>         >>
>>         >> Glen--
>>         >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of
>>         things which matter least.
>>         >>
>>         >> -- Goethe
>>         >>
>>         >>
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > --
>>         > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of
>>         things which matter least.
>>         >
>>         > -- Goethe
>>         >
>>         >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things
>>     which matter least.
>>
>>     -- Goethe
>>
>>
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Fri Jan 28 18:01:44 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:01:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
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I am very flexible with time. If no one comes up with a better time, I can throw out 6:30 giving most people time to get there (Noise Bridge) after work. We can also do a burrito run if we don't get to eat before then. Again, I'm very flexible today and this time can change.

Cheers,


Glen

El Jan 28, 2011, a las 8:43 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com> escribi?:

> What time is everyone thinking regarding this? I'd like to know in order to help me plan my evening.
> 
> Sorry I missed last night, I was really looking forward to it. Are there slides?
> 
> Bryce
> 
> 
> On 01/27/2011 11:59 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>> 
>> I think that's a great idea. Friday night it is :)
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm impressed.
>> 
>> Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing some concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at Noisebridge?
>> 
>> Bryce
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>> For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In fact, I don't just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I live in SF and work in Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I usually come in early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley in time and get down there by the time we start.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time as public transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one way) to the trip.
>>> 
>>> So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while... usually for the socializing before, after and the stuff that I always learn from other people around me.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Glen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>>> 
>>> I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
>>> my part. We will see!
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>>> > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you going tomorrow night?)
>>> > From our website:
>>> >
>>> > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>>> > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any first-minute announcements.
>>> > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>>> >
>>> > Topic:
>>> > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL' solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python. Topics covered:
>>> > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing CouchDB documents within python * Writing view functions in python * Map/reduce on CouchDB from python
>>> > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at scale under high load
>>> > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>>> > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me/> (recently acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in: network security research, online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and RSAConference.
>>> >  http://about.me/luke
>>> >
>>> > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>>> > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>>> > LINKS:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>>> > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer is interested in.
>>> > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on topics of interest.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Glen
>>> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join you.
>>> >
>>> > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>>> >
>>> > Let me know
>>> > Nick
>>> >
>>> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>>> >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>>> >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm on a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these slides.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Glen--
>>> >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least.
>>> >>
>>> >> -- Goethe
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least.
>>> >
>>> > -- Goethe
>>> >
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter least.
>>> 
>>> -- Goethe 
>>> 
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From bryceverdier at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 18:10:22 2011
From: bryceverdier at gmail.com (Bryce Verdier)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:10:22 -0800
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I get outta work about 4:30, and have a couple of things I need to do 
before I can come up. I will be there but probably not by 6:30. But I 
will try to make it as close to that as possible.

Bryce


On 01/28/2011 09:01 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> I am very flexible with time. If no one comes up with a better time, I 
> can throw out 6:30 giving most people time to get there (Noise Bridge) 
> after work. We can also do a burrito run if we don't get to eat before 
> then. Again, I'm very flexible today and this time can change.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Glen
>
> El Jan 28, 2011, a las 8:43 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bryceverdier at gmail.com>> escribi?:
>
>> What time is everyone thinking regarding this? I'd like to know in 
>> order to help me plan my evening.
>>
>> Sorry I missed last night, I was really looking forward to it. Are 
>> there slides?
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
>> On 01/27/2011 11:59 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>> I think that's a great idea. Friday night it is :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier 
>>> <bryceverdier at gmail.com <mailto:bryceverdier at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm
>>>     impressed.
>>>
>>>     Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing
>>>     some concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at
>>>     Noisebridge?
>>>
>>>     Bryce
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>>>     For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In
>>>>     fact, I don't just plan my day, but usually my week around it.
>>>>     I live in SF and work in Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and
>>>>     don't have a car. So, I usually come in early on some days so I
>>>>     can get out of Berkeley in time and get down there by the time
>>>>     we start.
>>>>
>>>>     Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional
>>>>     time as public transportation from SF can add almost three
>>>>     hours (one way) to the trip.
>>>>
>>>>     So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while...
>>>>     usually for the socializing before, after and the stuff that I
>>>>     always learn from other people around me.
>>>>
>>>>     Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Glen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates
>>>>     <nstinemates at gmail.com <mailto:nstinemates at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>>>>
>>>>         I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special
>>>>         effort on
>>>>         my part. We will see!
>>>>
>>>>         Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis
>>>>         <glen at glenjarvis.com <mailto:glen at glenjarvis.com>> wrote:
>>>>         > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?
>>>>          (Are you going tomorrow night?)
>>>>         > From our website:
>>>>         >
>>>>         > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>>>>         > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting
>>>>         announcements, any first-minute announcements.
>>>>         > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>>>>         >
>>>>         > Topic:
>>>>         > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one
>>>>         'NoSQL' solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well
>>>>         with Python. Topics covered:
>>>>         > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB *
>>>>         Parsing CouchDB documents within python * Writing view
>>>>         functions in python * Map/reduce on CouchDB from python
>>>>         > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live
>>>>         deployment at scale under high load
>>>>         > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>>>>         > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me
>>>>         <http://about.me> <http://about.me/> (recently acquired by
>>>>         AOL). His prior positions were in: network security
>>>>         research, online payments, and small company stock offering
>>>>         markets. He has done contract work in the social and
>>>>         on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble in NoSQL
>>>>         technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He
>>>>         has previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup
>>>>         Weekend, and RSAConference.
>>>>         > http://about.me/luke
>>>>         >
>>>>         > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>>>>         > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>>>>         > LINKS:
>>>>         >
>>>>         >
>>>>         >
>>>>         > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>>>>         > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics
>>>>         the announcer is interested in.
>>>>         > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up
>>>>         individually on topics of interest.
>>>>         >
>>>>         > Cheers,
>>>>         >
>>>>         > Glen
>>>>         > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates
>>>>         <nstinemates at gmail.com <mailto:nstinemates at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>         > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be
>>>>         happy to join you.
>>>>         >
>>>>         > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>>>>         >
>>>>         > Let me know
>>>>         > Nick
>>>>         >
>>>>         > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis
>>>>         <glen at glenjarvis.com <mailto:glen at glenjarvis.com>> wrote:
>>>>         >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>>>>         >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his
>>>>         presentations and I'm on a mission to understand all of the
>>>>         concepts, at a high level, from these slides.
>>>>         >>
>>>>         >>
>>>>         https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>>>>         >>
>>>>         >> Cheers,
>>>>         >>
>>>>         >>
>>>>         >> Glen--
>>>>         >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of
>>>>         things which matter least.
>>>>         >>
>>>>         >> -- Goethe
>>>>         >>
>>>>         >>
>>>>         >
>>>>         >
>>>>         > --
>>>>         > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of
>>>>         things which matter least.
>>>>         >
>>>>         > -- Goethe
>>>>         >
>>>>         >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     -- 
>>>>     Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things
>>>>     which matter least.
>>>>
>>>>     -- Goethe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>     Baypiggies mailing list
>>>>     Baypiggies at python.org  <mailto:Baypiggies at python.org>
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From jim at systemateka.com  Fri Jan 28 18:38:39 2011
From: jim at systemateka.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:38:39 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
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    any chance someone would take and share notes, 
even just links to better info would be helpful. 



On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 09:01 -0800, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> I am very flexible with time. If no one comes up with a better time, I
> can throw out 6:30 giving most people time to get there (Noise Bridge)
> after work. We can also do a burrito run if we don't get to eat before
> then. Again, I'm very flexible today and this time can change.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Glen
> 
> El Jan 28, 2011, a las 8:43 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>
> escribi?:
> 
> 
> 
> > What time is everyone thinking regarding this? I'd like to know in
> > order to help me plan my evening.
> > 
> > Sorry I missed last night, I was really looking forward to it. Are
> > there slides?
> > 
> > Bryce
> > 
> > 
> > On 01/27/2011 11:59 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: 
> > > I think that's a great idea. Friday night it is :)
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier
> > > <bryceverdier at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >         Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of
> > >         dedication! I'm impressed.
> > >         
> > >         Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in
> > >         doing some concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe
> > >         meet up at Noisebridge?
> > >         
> > >         Bryce 
> > >         
> > >         
> > >         On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: 
> > >         > For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for
> > >         > me. In fact, I don't just plan my day, but usually my
> > >         > week around it. I live in SF and work in Berkeley
> > >         > (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I usually
> > >         > come in early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley
> > >         > in time and get down there by the time we start. 
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves
> > >         > additional time as public transportation from SF can add
> > >         > almost three hours (one way) to the trip.
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth
> > >         > while... usually for the socializing before, after and
> > >         > the stuff that I always learn from other people around
> > >         > me.
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > Cheers,
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > Glen
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates
> > >         > <nstinemates at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >         >         I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely
> > >         >         love to.
> > >         >         
> > >         >         I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would
> > >         >         require special effort on
> > >         >         my part. We will see!
> > >         >         
> > >         >         Nick
> > >         >         
> > >         >         
> > >         >         
> > >         >         On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis
> > >         >         <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> > >         >         
> > >         >         > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or
> > >         >         after?  (Are you going tomorrow night?)
> > >         >         > From our website:
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
> > >         >         > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory
> > >         >         end-of-meeting announcements, any first-minute
> > >         >         announcements.
> > >         >         > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > Topic:
> > >         >         
> > >         >         > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk
> > >         >         introduces one 'NoSQL' solution, CouchDB, and
> > >         >         how to get it to play well with Python. Topics
> > >         >         covered:
> > >         >         > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for
> > >         >         CouchDB * Parsing CouchDB documents within
> > >         >         python * Writing view functions in python *
> > >         >         Map/reduce on CouchDB from python
> > >         >         > * Lessons learned from managing and
> > >         >         distributing a live deployment at scale under
> > >         >         high load
> > >         >         > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
> > >         >         
> > >         >         > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer
> > >         >         at about.me <http://about.me/> (recently
> > >         >         acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in:
> > >         >         network security research, online payments, and
> > >         >         small company stock offering markets. He has
> > >         >         done contract work in the social and on-demand
> > >         >         media spaces. He likes to dabble in NoSQL
> > >         >         technologies, computer security, and financial
> > >         >         markets. He has previously presented at CCCamp,
> > >         >         San Francisco Startup Weekend, and
> > >         >         RSAConference.
> > >         >         >  http://about.me/luke
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
> > >         >         > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
> > >         >         > LINKS:
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
> > >         >         > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement
> > >         >         of topics the announcer is interested in.
> > >         >         > Random Access follows immediately to allow
> > >         >         follow up individually on topics of interest.
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > Cheers,
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > Glen
> > >         >         > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick
> > >         >         Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >         >         > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night
> > >         >         I'll be happy to join you.
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM
> > >         >         tonight?
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > Let me know
> > >         >         > Nick
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis
> > >         >         <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> > >         >         >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a
> > >         >         study/hack session?
> > >         >         >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his
> > >         >         presentations and I'm on a mission to understand
> > >         >         all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
> > >         >         slides.
> > >         >         >>
> > >         >         >>
> > >         >         https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
> > >         >         >>
> > >         >         >> Cheers,
> > >         >         >>
> > >         >         >>
> > >         >         >> Glen--
> > >         >         >> Things which matter most must never be at the
> > >         >         mercy of things which matter least.
> > >         >         >>
> > >         >         >> -- Goethe
> > >         >         >>
> > >         >         >>
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > --
> > >         >         > Things which matter most must never be at the
> > >         >         mercy of things which matter least.
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         > -- Goethe
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         >
> > >         >         
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > -- 
> > >         > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of
> > >         > things which matter least.
> > >         > 
> > >         > -- Goethe 
> > >         > 
> > >         > 
> > >         > _______________________________________________
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things
> > > which matter least.
> > > 
> > > -- Goethe 
> > 
> > 
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From alexandre.conrad at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 00:55:08 2011
From: alexandre.conrad at gmail.com (Alexandre Conrad)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:55:08 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] SurveyMonkey is hiring!
Message-ID: <AANLkTik1FwQSY8ewZot9xT1D8J9umL48J2Mn-qBA2bFf@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I just wanted to follow-up on yesterday's Random-Access as I did leave
pretty quickly after my announcement and I may not given everyone's
chance to come talk to me.

So, SurveyMonkey is hiring all kinds of engineering positions:
front-end, back-end, tests, sys admins. We also have all kinds of
non-engineering positions for whomever you may know not in our field
and looking for a job. That being said, I'll focus on the engineering
side.

We currently have 2 stacks of technologies: Python and .NET. But as
time passes, the .NET code base shrinks while the Python one grows.
Yes, we're in the process of switching everything to Python. As a lot
of technical decisions are taken, right now it is a great time to join
SurveyMonkey. For the Python side, we're mainly working with Pylons.
Our most recent project even runs on the new Pyramid framework. But
you don't have to know these frameworks to join us, you will learn it
all here.

I also saw a lot of interest recently for test automation. I am
thinking about setting up a Selenium testing framework (and whatever
technology to help us find bugs and prevent regressions). So if you
feel you're up to the challenge, I want to hear from you!

SurveyMonkey is located downtown Palo Alto, it's a 5 minutes walk from
the Caltrain station.

Feel free to shoot me an email. FYI I am not a recruiter, I am a
SurveyMonkey engineer on the Platform and Infrastructure team.

http://svy.mk/ey-jobs

Cheers,
-- 
Alex | twitter.com/alexconrad

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Jan 29 01:57:30 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:57:30 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] SurveyMonkey is hiring!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik1FwQSY8ewZot9xT1D8J9umL48J2Mn-qBA2bFf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik1FwQSY8ewZot9xT1D8J9umL48J2Mn-qBA2bFf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=r_z5JQFjpLXXP6p9M+Kgnq5XPeg=_=0=uQBus@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

    I'm actually looking for work myself. The projet at UC Berkeley will be
ending in April and I told them in December that I would start looking. I
hadn't put any feelers out yet or announced anything on BayPIGgies, but I've
still been doing pretty well. I just did a really cool pair programming
interview today.

     With that said, it's not over until we have an accepted offer letter :)

     I'd like to try out for the SurveyMonkey gig. Here's a copy of my
resume (attached).

I hope that you're well :)

Thanks,


Glen

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Alexandre Conrad <
alexandre.conrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I just wanted to follow-up on yesterday's Random-Access as I did leave
> pretty quickly after my announcement and I may not given everyone's
> chance to come talk to me.
>
> So, SurveyMonkey is hiring all kinds of engineering positions:
> front-end, back-end, tests, sys admins. We also have all kinds of
> non-engineering positions for whomever you may know not in our field
> and looking for a job. That being said, I'll focus on the engineering
> side.
>
> We currently have 2 stacks of technologies: Python and .NET. But as
> time passes, the .NET code base shrinks while the Python one grows.
> Yes, we're in the process of switching everything to Python. As a lot
> of technical decisions are taken, right now it is a great time to join
> SurveyMonkey. For the Python side, we're mainly working with Pylons.
> Our most recent project even runs on the new Pyramid framework. But
> you don't have to know these frameworks to join us, you will learn it
> all here.
>
> I also saw a lot of interest recently for test automation. I am
> thinking about setting up a Selenium testing framework (and whatever
> technology to help us find bugs and prevent regressions). So if you
> feel you're up to the challenge, I want to hear from you!
>
> SurveyMonkey is located downtown Palo Alto, it's a 5 minutes walk from
> the Caltrain station.
>
> Feel free to shoot me an email. FYI I am not a recruiter, I am a
> SurveyMonkey engineer on the Platform and Infrastructure team.
>
> http://svy.mk/ey-jobs
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Alex | twitter.com/alexconrad
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Jan 29 02:07:40 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:07:40 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
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Reminder:

SF BayPIGgies... We're going to get together at Noisebridge tonight - very
informally - to discuss and try to understand more from the slides that were
previously presented by JJ:

https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf

I'm heading over early (soon) to meet/greet. You can come late. I'm *not* an
expert and will be asking plenty of questions as I want to learn more about
this material.

If you don't know how to get to NoiseBridge, here's some info:

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Moving/2169_Mission/Access_Control#How_Do_I_Get_Into_2169_Mission.3F


Maybe see you there...


Cheers,


Glen



On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>wrote:

>  I get outta work about 4:30, and have a couple of things I need to do
> before I can come up. I will be there but probably not by 6:30. But I will
> try to make it as close to that as possible.
>
> Bryce
>
>
>
> On 01/28/2011 09:01 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
> I am very flexible with time. If no one comes up with a better time, I can
> throw out 6:30 giving most people time to get there (Noise Bridge) after
> work. We can also do a burrito run if we don't get to eat before then.
> Again, I'm very flexible today and this time can change.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>
> Glen
>
> El Jan 28, 2011, a las 8:43 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>
> escribi?:
>
>   What time is everyone thinking regarding this? I'd like to know in order
> to help me plan my evening.
>
> Sorry I missed last night, I was really looking forward to it. Are there
> slides?
>
> Bryce
>
>
> On 01/27/2011 11:59 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
> I think that's a great idea. Friday night it is :)
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm
>> impressed.
>>
>> Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing some
>> concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at Noisebridge?
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
>> On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>
>>  For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In fact, I
>> don't just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I live in SF and work
>> in Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I usually come in
>> early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley in time and get down there
>> by the time we start.
>>
>>  Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time as
>> public transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one way) to the
>> trip.
>>
>>  So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while... usually
>> for the socializing before, after and the stuff that I always learn from
>> other people around me.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>
>>
>>  Glen
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>>>
>>> I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
>>> my part. We will see!
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>>>  > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you going
>>> tomorrow night?)
>>> > From our website:
>>> >
>>> > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>>> > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any
>>> first-minute announcements.
>>> > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>>> >
>>> > Topic:
>>>  > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL'
>>> solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python. Topics
>>> covered:
>>> > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing CouchDB
>>> documents within python * Writing view functions in python * Map/reduce on
>>> CouchDB from python
>>> > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at
>>> scale under high load
>>> > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>>>  > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me/> (recently
>>> acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in: network security research,
>>> online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done
>>> contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble
>>> in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has
>>> previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and
>>> RSAConference.
>>>  >  http://about.me/luke
>>> >
>>> > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>>> > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>>> > LINKS:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>>> > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer
>>> is interested in.
>>> > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on
>>> topics of interest.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Glen
>>> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <
>>> nstinemates at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join you.
>>> >
>>> > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>>> >
>>> > Let me know
>>> > Nick
>>> >
>>> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>>> >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm on
>>> a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
>>> slides.
>>> >>
>>> >> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Glen--
>>> >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>> matter least.
>>> >>
>>> >> -- Goethe
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>> matter least.
>>> >
>>> > -- Goethe
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
>> least.
>>
>> -- Goethe
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
> least.
>
> -- Goethe
>
>
>
>


-- 
Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
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-- Goethe
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Jan 29 02:17:09 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:17:09 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] SurveyMonkey is hiring!
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Well CRAP!!!

That was *not* supposed to be a reply-all.

Please forgive the extra volume of email.

Cheers,


Glen

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> Alex,
>
>     I'm actually looking for work myself. The projet at UC Berkeley will be
> ending in April and I told them in December that I would start looking. I
> hadn't put any feelers out yet or announced anything on BayPIGgies, but I've
> still been doing pretty well. I just did a really cool pair programming
> interview today.
>
>      With that said, it's not over until we have an accepted offer letter
> :)
>
>      I'd like to try out for the SurveyMonkey gig. Here's a copy of my
> resume (attached).
>
> I hope that you're well :)
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Glen
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Alexandre Conrad <
> alexandre.conrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I just wanted to follow-up on yesterday's Random-Access as I did leave
>> pretty quickly after my announcement and I may not given everyone's
>> chance to come talk to me.
>>
>> So, SurveyMonkey is hiring all kinds of engineering positions:
>> front-end, back-end, tests, sys admins. We also have all kinds of
>> non-engineering positions for whomever you may know not in our field
>> and looking for a job. That being said, I'll focus on the engineering
>> side.
>>
>> We currently have 2 stacks of technologies: Python and .NET. But as
>> time passes, the .NET code base shrinks while the Python one grows.
>> Yes, we're in the process of switching everything to Python. As a lot
>> of technical decisions are taken, right now it is a great time to join
>> SurveyMonkey. For the Python side, we're mainly working with Pylons.
>> Our most recent project even runs on the new Pyramid framework. But
>> you don't have to know these frameworks to join us, you will learn it
>> all here.
>>
>> I also saw a lot of interest recently for test automation. I am
>> thinking about setting up a Selenium testing framework (and whatever
>> technology to help us find bugs and prevent regressions). So if you
>> feel you're up to the challenge, I want to hear from you!
>>
>> SurveyMonkey is located downtown Palo Alto, it's a 5 minutes walk from
>> the Caltrain station.
>>
>> Feel free to shoot me an email. FYI I am not a recruiter, I am a
>> SurveyMonkey engineer on the Platform and Infrastructure team.
>>
>> http://svy.mk/ey-jobs
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Alex | twitter.com/alexconrad
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
> least.
>
> -- Goethe
>



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From keith at dartworks.biz  Sat Jan 29 02:42:44 2011
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:42:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] SurveyMonkey is hiring!
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Message-ID: <20110128174244.7c4ad9dc@dartworks.biz>

=== On Fri, 01/28, Glen Jarvis wrote: ===
> Well CRAP!!!
> 
> That was *not* supposed to be a reply-all.
> 
> Please forgive the extra volume of email.

===

Darn, and you forgot to attach your resume as well. ;-)

-- Keith Dart

-- 

-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Keith Dart <keith at dartworks.biz>
   public key: ID: 19017044
   <http://www.dartworks.biz/>
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From nstinemates at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 05:59:47 2011
From: nstinemates at gmail.com (Nick Stinemates)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:59:47 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
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Is there a way I can join remotely?

Nick

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> Reminder:
>
> SF BayPIGgies... We're going to get together at Noisebridge tonight - very
> informally - to discuss and try to understand more from the slides that were
> previously presented by JJ:
>
> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>
> I'm heading over early (soon) to meet/greet. You can come late. I'm *not*
> an expert and will be asking plenty of questions as I want to learn more
> about this material.
>
> If you don't know how to get to NoiseBridge, here's some info:
>
>
> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Moving/2169_Mission/Access_Control#How_Do_I_Get_Into_2169_Mission.3F
>
>
> Maybe see you there...
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Glen
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  I get outta work about 4:30, and have a couple of things I need to do
>> before I can come up. I will be there but probably not by 6:30. But I will
>> try to make it as close to that as possible.
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/28/2011 09:01 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>
>> I am very flexible with time. If no one comes up with a better time, I can
>> throw out 6:30 giving most people time to get there (Noise Bridge) after
>> work. We can also do a burrito run if we don't get to eat before then.
>> Again, I'm very flexible today and this time can change.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Glen
>>
>> El Jan 28, 2011, a las 8:43 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>
>> escribi?:
>>
>>   What time is everyone thinking regarding this? I'd like to know in
>> order to help me plan my evening.
>>
>> Sorry I missed last night, I was really looking forward to it. Are there
>> slides?
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
>> On 01/27/2011 11:59 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>
>> I think that's a great idea. Friday night it is :)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm
>>> impressed.
>>>
>>> Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing some
>>> concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at Noisebridge?
>>>
>>> Bryce
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>>
>>>  For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In fact, I
>>> don't just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I live in SF and work
>>> in Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I usually come in
>>> early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley in time and get down there
>>> by the time we start.
>>>
>>>  Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time as
>>> public transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one way) to the
>>> trip.
>>>
>>>  So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while... usually
>>> for the socializing before, after and the stuff that I always learn from
>>> other people around me.
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>  Glen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>>>>
>>>> I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
>>>> my part. We will see!
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>  > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you
>>>> going tomorrow night?)
>>>> > From our website:
>>>> >
>>>> > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>>>> > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any
>>>> first-minute announcements.
>>>> > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>>>> >
>>>> > Topic:
>>>>  > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL'
>>>> solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python. Topics
>>>> covered:
>>>> > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing CouchDB
>>>> documents within python * Writing view functions in python * Map/reduce on
>>>> CouchDB from python
>>>> > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at
>>>> scale under high load
>>>> > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>>>>  > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me/> (recently
>>>> acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in: network security research,
>>>> online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done
>>>> contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble
>>>> in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has
>>>> previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and
>>>> RSAConference.
>>>>  >  http://about.me/luke
>>>> >
>>>> > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>>>> > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>>>> > LINKS:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>>>> > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer
>>>> is interested in.
>>>> > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on
>>>> topics of interest.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> > Glen
>>>> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <
>>>> nstinemates at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join
>>>> you.
>>>> >
>>>> > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>>>> >
>>>> > Let me know
>>>> > Nick
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>>>> >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm
>>>> on a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
>>>> slides.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Glen--
>>>> >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>>> matter least.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -- Goethe
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>>> matter least.
>>>> >
>>>> > -- Goethe
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>> matter least.
>>>
>>> -- Goethe
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
>> least.
>>
>> -- Goethe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
> least.
>
> -- Goethe
>
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Jan 29 01:58:57 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:58:57 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] SurveyMonkey is hiring!
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oops.. attaching resume now.

Glen

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> Alex,
>
>     I'm actually looking for work myself. The projet at UC Berkeley will be
> ending in April and I told them in December that I would start looking. I
> hadn't put any feelers out yet or announced anything on BayPIGgies, but I've
> still been doing pretty well. I just did a really cool pair programming
> interview today.
>
>      With that said, it's not over until we have an accepted offer letter
> :)
>
>      I'd like to try out for the SurveyMonkey gig. Here's a copy of my
> resume (attached).
>
> I hope that you're well :)
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Glen
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Alexandre Conrad <
> alexandre.conrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I just wanted to follow-up on yesterday's Random-Access as I did leave
>> pretty quickly after my announcement and I may not given everyone's
>> chance to come talk to me.
>>
>> So, SurveyMonkey is hiring all kinds of engineering positions:
>> front-end, back-end, tests, sys admins. We also have all kinds of
>> non-engineering positions for whomever you may know not in our field
>> and looking for a job. That being said, I'll focus on the engineering
>> side.
>>
>> We currently have 2 stacks of technologies: Python and .NET. But as
>> time passes, the .NET code base shrinks while the Python one grows.
>> Yes, we're in the process of switching everything to Python. As a lot
>> of technical decisions are taken, right now it is a great time to join
>> SurveyMonkey. For the Python side, we're mainly working with Pylons.
>> Our most recent project even runs on the new Pyramid framework. But
>> you don't have to know these frameworks to join us, you will learn it
>> all here.
>>
>> I also saw a lot of interest recently for test automation. I am
>> thinking about setting up a Selenium testing framework (and whatever
>> technology to help us find bugs and prevent regressions). So if you
>> feel you're up to the challenge, I want to hear from you!
>>
>> SurveyMonkey is located downtown Palo Alto, it's a 5 minutes walk from
>> the Caltrain station.
>>
>> Feel free to shoot me an email. FYI I am not a recruiter, I am a
>> SurveyMonkey engineer on the Platform and Infrastructure team.
>>
>> http://svy.mk/ey-jobs
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Alex | twitter.com/alexconrad
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
> least.
>
> -- Goethe
>



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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat Jan 29 19:32:19 2011
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 10:32:19 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mar 2: Armin Rigo, PyPy @ Stanford
Message-ID: <20110129183219.GA20209@panix.com>

Wednesday, March 2, 4:15pm @ Stanford Gates B01

Armin Rigo on PyPy

http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee380/winter-schedule-20102011.html

Laura sent me this corrected link in private e-mail -- she has to deal
with a family emergency.  (Not sure what details she wants public, so
leaving it at that.)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of     
indirection."  --Butler Lampson

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 29 19:32:44 2011
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 00:02:44 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] SurveyMonkey is hiring!
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On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> oops.. attaching resume now.
>

I am no recruiter, but a line in your resume caught my attention :
"Implemented a daily Python-based system health check that caught and
eliminated potential errors before they became problematic" - can you
expatiate on this, if its not much trouble?

-V
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Jan 29 23:44:19 2011
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:44:19 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Study Python Concurrency
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Sorry, we didn't see this email until later and it was really a very
informal "learning together" type of session. We mostly went through this
example:

http://codespeak.net/py/0.9.2/apigen/source/c-extension/greenlet/test_generator.py.html

from this documentation:

http://codespeak.net/py/0.9.2/greenlet.html

from the second slide of the presentation. We were depth first and only got
this far as there were a lot of concepts and details of greenlets that we
didn't know.

Cheers,


Glen

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com>wrote:

> Is there a way I can join remotely?
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>
>> Reminder:
>>
>> SF BayPIGgies... We're going to get together at Noisebridge tonight - very
>> informally - to discuss and try to understand more from the slides that were
>> previously presented by JJ:
>>
>> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>>
>> I'm heading over early (soon) to meet/greet. You can come late. I'm *not*
>> an expert and will be asking plenty of questions as I want to learn more
>> about this material.
>>
>> If you don't know how to get to NoiseBridge, here's some info:
>>
>>
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Moving/2169_Mission/Access_Control#How_Do_I_Get_Into_2169_Mission.3F
>>
>>
>> Maybe see you there...
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Glen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  I get outta work about 4:30, and have a couple of things I need to do
>>> before I can come up. I will be there but probably not by 6:30. But I will
>>> try to make it as close to that as possible.
>>>
>>> Bryce
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/28/2011 09:01 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>>
>>> I am very flexible with time. If no one comes up with a better time, I
>>> can throw out 6:30 giving most people time to get there (Noise Bridge) after
>>> work. We can also do a burrito run if we don't get to eat before then.
>>> Again, I'm very flexible today and this time can change.
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Glen
>>>
>>> El Jan 28, 2011, a las 8:43 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>
>>> escribi?:
>>>
>>>   What time is everyone thinking regarding this? I'd like to know in
>>> order to help me plan my evening.
>>>
>>> Sorry I missed last night, I was really looking forward to it. Are there
>>> slides?
>>>
>>> Bryce
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/27/2011 11:59 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that's a great idea. Friday night it is :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Bryce Verdier <bryceverdier at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Wow... that's one hell of a trip and display of dedication! I'm
>>>> impressed.
>>>>
>>>> Going back to the original topic, I'd be interested in doing some
>>>> concurrency studying on Friday night, maybe meet up at Noisebridge?
>>>>
>>>> Bryce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/26/2011 08:24 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  For what it's worth, it is always a special effort for me. In fact, I
>>>> don't just plan my day, but usually my week around it. I live in SF and work
>>>> in Berkeley (usually until 6 pm) and don't have a car. So, I usually come in
>>>> early on some days so I can get out of Berkeley in time and get down there
>>>> by the time we start.
>>>>
>>>>  Sometimes I carpool/ride with others. This saves additional time as
>>>> public transportation from SF can add almost three hours (one way) to the
>>>> trip.
>>>>
>>>>  So, I completely understand. I usually find it worth while... usually
>>>> for the socializing before, after and the stuff that I always learn from
>>>> other people around me.
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Glen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Nick Stinemates <nstinemates at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hadn't planned on it but I would absolutely love to.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in the north bay ( Marin ) so it would require special effort on
>>>>> my part. We will see!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>  > Tomorrow night is BayPIGgies.. maybe before or after?  (Are you
>>>>> going tomorrow night?)
>>>>> > From our website:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thursday, Jan 27, 2011
>>>>> > 7:30 pm: General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any
>>>>> first-minute announcements.
>>>>> > 7:35 - 8:40 pm: Technical Program
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Topic:
>>>>>  > Abstract:Introduction to CouchDBThis talk introduces one 'NoSQL'
>>>>> solution, CouchDB, and how to get it to play well with Python. Topics
>>>>> covered:
>>>>> > * Introduction to CouchDB * A python ORM for CouchDB * Parsing
>>>>> CouchDB documents within python * Writing view functions in python *
>>>>> Map/reduce on CouchDB from python
>>>>> > * Lessons learned from managing and distributing a live deployment at
>>>>> scale under high load
>>>>> > Speaker: Luke Gostlings
>>>>>  > Bio: Luke is a lead engineer at about.me <http://about.me/> (recently
>>>>> acquired by AOL). His prior positions were in: network security research,
>>>>> online payments, and small company stock offering markets. He has done
>>>>> contract work in the social and on-demand media spaces. He likes to dabble
>>>>> in NoSQL technologies, computer security, and financial markets. He has
>>>>> previously presented at CCCamp, San Francisco Startup Weekend, and
>>>>> RSAConference.
>>>>>  >  http://about.me/luke
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Topic: Newbie Nugget: Using zip() with Django
>>>>> > Speaker:Vicky Tuite
>>>>> > LINKS:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 8:40 - 9 pm: Mapping/Random Access
>>>>> > Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcer
>>>>> is interested in.
>>>>> > Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on
>>>>> topics of interest.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Cheers,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Glen
>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Nick Stinemates <
>>>>> nstinemates at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > If you're up for it tomorrow or Friday night I'll be happy to join
>>>>> you.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Or, we can do it collaboratively over IM tonight?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Let me know
>>>>> > Nick
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2011, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> Is anyone in SF tonight and up for a study/hack session?
>>>>> >> I'm going through JJ's slides from one of his presentations and I'm
>>>>> on a mission to understand all of the concepts, at a high level, from these
>>>>> slides.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> https://github.com/jjinux/concurrency-200912/raw/master/slides.pdf
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Glen--
>>>>> >> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>>>> matter least.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -- Goethe
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>>>> matter least.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -- Goethe
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>>> matter least.
>>>>
>>>> -- Goethe
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which
>>> matter least.
>>>
>>> -- Goethe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
>> least.
>>
>> -- Goethe
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Things which matter most must never be at the mercy of things which matter
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From nstinemates at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 00:06:23 2011
From: nstinemates at gmail.com (Nick Stinemates)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:06:23 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Cushion: Another CouchDB ORM
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjCqrmDwHasiWPvpKpyrTpOuAXz1SxAc_NXiQU@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted to add this one to the list Luke presented. Seems to be a bit more
lightweight than python-couchdb.

https://github.com/sheysrebellion/cushion/

Thanks again for the talk, Luke

Nick
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From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 09:58:34 2011
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 00:58:34 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a reviewer for MySQL For Python
Message-ID: <AANLkTikrkg0VduSqkTUzxhRtWgq=eRVymNJ9dksxpg-n@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone is interested in doing a quick review of "MySQL For Python"
https://www.packtpub.com/mysql-python/book

,I've got one copy available.

Please reply off-list.

Thanks
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From tom.simons at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 22:32:07 2011
From: tom.simons at gmail.com (Tom Simons)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:32:07 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] hex dump in Python 3
Message-ID: <AANLkTinGBEK0jMufeBDEqcc-iQe8vKrDMU8oySwqW98G@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a sample hex-dump routine for Python3? I'm trying to
recover data from a BlackBerry backup file, & I need to "see" the bytes I'm
reading from the  backup file,which don't  appear to match the format I've
found. Something showing the offset, char-hex, and printable chars (or
periods), such as:

bs = f.read(flen)
hexdump(bs)
00000000 01020304050607083031323334353637 ........01234567
00000010 4142436162                       ABCab
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From nstinemates at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 23:03:27 2011
From: nstinemates at gmail.com (Nick Stinemates)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:03:27 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] hex dump in Python 3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinGBEK0jMufeBDEqcc-iQe8vKrDMU8oySwqW98G@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinGBEK0jMufeBDEqcc-iQe8vKrDMU8oySwqW98G@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+ggF7FehUkqUF07GzWy3uiZvWxa3zaPvhDvsp@mail.gmail.com>

Take a look at the binascii module:
http://docs.python.org/library/binascii.html

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Tom Simons <tom.simons at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a sample hex-dump routine for Python3? I'm trying to
> recover data from a BlackBerry backup file, & I need to "see" the bytes I'm
> reading from the  backup file,which don't  appear to match the format I've
> found. Something showing the offset, char-hex, and printable chars (or
> periods), such as:
>
> bs = f.read(flen)
> hexdump(bs)
> 00000000 01020304050607083031323334353637 ........01234567
> 00000010 4142436162                       ABCab
>
>
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From tungwaiyip at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 31 03:40:29 2011
From: tungwaiyip at yahoo.com (Tung Wai Yip)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:40:29 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] hex dump in Python 3
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinGBEK0jMufeBDEqcc-iQe8vKrDMU8oySwqW98G@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinGBEK0jMufeBDEqcc-iQe8vKrDMU8oySwqW98G@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.vp5i1pcqoiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>

This can be done in 1 line. Just use .encode('hex')

e.g.

>>> open('64_64.gif','rb').read(10).encode('hex')
'47494638396140004000'




> Does anyone have a sample hex-dump routine for Python3? I'm trying to
> recover data from a BlackBerry backup file, & I need to "see" the bytes  
> I'm
> reading from the  backup file,which don't  appear to match the format  
> I've
> found. Something showing the offset, char-hex, and printable chars (or
> periods), such as:
>
> bs = f.read(flen)
> hexdump(bs)
> 00000000 01020304050607083031323334353637 ........01234567
> 00000010 4142436162                       ABCab