From fperez.net at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 10:25:23 2009
From: fperez.net at gmail.com (Fernando Perez)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 01:25:23 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Review for Expert Python Programming
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0902272342y98008d3t7d490d0199512da4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0902272342y98008d3t7d490d0199512da4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <db6b5ecc0903020125t299048cen5243a212f8fbcfeb@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Jim Stockford has written a review of the new book "Expert Python Programming."

Here's mine, though I'm afraid it wasn't too flattering for the book:

https://cirl.berkeley.edu/fperez/py4scienc/expert_python_programming_review.html

It is my honest take on the matter, though.

Cheers,

f

From ziade.tarek at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 10:34:04 2009
From: ziade.tarek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:34:04 +0100
Subject: [Baypiggies] Review for Expert Python Programming
In-Reply-To: <db6b5ecc0903020125t299048cen5243a212f8fbcfeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0902272342y98008d3t7d490d0199512da4@mail.gmail.com>
	<db6b5ecc0903020125t299048cen5243a212f8fbcfeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94bdd2610903020134x55393e92mb7c73cb6cfc26dfa@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Fernando Perez <fperez.net at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Jim Stockford has written a review of the new book "Expert Python Programming."
>
> Here's mine, though I'm afraid it wasn't too flattering for the book:
>
> https://cirl.berkeley.edu/fperez/py4scienc/expert_python_programming_review.html
>
> It is my honest take on the matter, though.
>
> Cheers,


Hi Fernando,

Thanks for the review.

""I really hope that the author and publisher consider this to be
constructive criticism and revisit the book with a careful eye for a
solid second edition""

I can answer for this one: Packt is doing almost Print On Demand. So
the typo you mentioned, and many others, are already available
if you buy the book now

Regards
Tarek


>
> f
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Blog FR | http://programmation-python.org
Blog EN | http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/

From ziade.tarek at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 10:34:48 2009
From: ziade.tarek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:34:48 +0100
Subject: [Baypiggies] Review for Expert Python Programming
In-Reply-To: <94bdd2610903020134x55393e92mb7c73cb6cfc26dfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0902272342y98008d3t7d490d0199512da4@mail.gmail.com>
	<db6b5ecc0903020125t299048cen5243a212f8fbcfeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<94bdd2610903020134x55393e92mb7c73cb6cfc26dfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94bdd2610903020134j8188a5ara2e0be05664fc9e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Tarek Ziad? <ziade.tarek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I can answer for this one: Packt is doing almost Print On Demand. So
> the typo you mentioned, and many others, are already available
> if you buy the book now

s/available/fixed/   ;)

From hyperneato at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 11:26:02 2009
From: hyperneato at gmail.com (Isaac)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 02:26:02 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Review for Expert Python Programming
In-Reply-To: <db6b5ecc0903020125t299048cen5243a212f8fbcfeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0902272342y98008d3t7d490d0199512da4@mail.gmail.com>
	<db6b5ecc0903020125t299048cen5243a212f8fbcfeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7260654a0903020226m45e0ac37o8913d19f94b8e15d@mail.gmail.com>

typo in link update:

https://cirl.berkeley.edu/fperez/py4science/expert_python_programming_review.html

the 'e' in py4science is missing in the url.



On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Fernando Perez <fperez.net at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Jim Stockford has written a review of the new book "Expert Python
> Programming."
>
> Here's mine, though I'm afraid it wasn't too flattering for the book:
>
>
> https://cirl.berkeley.edu/fperez/py4scienc/expert_python_programming_review.html
>
> It is my honest take on the matter, though.
>
> Cheers,
>
> f
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From fperez.net at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 20:51:16 2009
From: fperez.net at gmail.com (Fernando Perez)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:51:16 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Review for Expert Python Programming
In-Reply-To: <94bdd2610903020134x55393e92mb7c73cb6cfc26dfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0902272342y98008d3t7d490d0199512da4@mail.gmail.com>
	<db6b5ecc0903020125t299048cen5243a212f8fbcfeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<94bdd2610903020134x55393e92mb7c73cb6cfc26dfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <db6b5ecc0903021151o6689607dgf038704f74453328@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tarek,

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Tarek Ziad? <ziade.tarek at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the review.
>
> ""I really hope that the author and publisher consider this to be
> constructive criticism and revisit the book with a careful eye for a
> solid second edition""
>
> I can answer for this one: Packt is doing almost Print On Demand. So
> the typo you mentioned, and many others, are already available
> if you buy the book now

That's great to hear.  And as I said, I think there is value in the
book as it is now, but even more promise.  I hope to see an improved
2nd edition at some point in the future!

I realize that writing is hard and takes courage (you're putting
yourself out in the spotlight, for reviewers like myself to come and
beat you up :)  I really hope this experience will not put a damper on
your energy for continuing to write.  Sorry if I came across as harsh,
but I figured the best way to repay your effort was with an honest
review, even if it wasn't the most flattering.

All the best,

f

ps - sorry for the URL typo, thanks to those who figured it out and
quickly corrected it.

From jjinux at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 22:27:08 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:27:08 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A day of PyConsolation
Message-ID: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>

I know that there are a lot of us who can't make it to PyCon this
year.  I think we should have a day of PyConsolation here in the
BayArea.

I'm thinking of an all day event on Saturday, March 28.  We can have
an all day hack session, similar to SuperHappyDevHouse.  Instead of
longer presentations, we can do what SHDH does and have a ton of 5
minute presentations.  Those are fun to give and fun to watch.

Here are my questions:

- Are you interested in going?
- Do you know where we can host it?  (If all else fails, I'll host it
at my place.)
- Are you willing to bring food or help pay for pizza?

Best Regards,
-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From progrium at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 22:33:19 2009
From: progrium at gmail.com (Jeff Lindsay)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:33:19 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A day of PyConsolation
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec47901a0903021333h27efa057i5e08288174bf2b03@mail.gmail.com>

I support anything DevHouse inspired. I can go and even give a lightning
talk on one of my new Python projects. No suggestions for venue.

Also, it will soon be announced that on March 14th, there will be a
SuperHappyDevHouse in Cupertino and you are all invited to hack with us
there as well. <3

-jeff

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>wrote:

> I know that there are a lot of us who can't make it to PyCon this
> year.  I think we should have a day of PyConsolation here in the
> BayArea.
>
> I'm thinking of an all day event on Saturday, March 28.  We can have
> an all day hack session, similar to SuperHappyDevHouse.  Instead of
> longer presentations, we can do what SHDH does and have a ton of 5
> minute presentations.  Those are fun to give and fun to watch.
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> - Are you interested in going?
> - Do you know where we can host it?  (If all else fails, I'll host it
> at my place.)
> - Are you willing to bring food or help pay for pizza?
>
> Best Regards,
> -jj
>
> --
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
> with great love. -- Mother Teresa
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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-- 
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http://shdh.org -- A party for hackers and thinkers
http://tigdb.com -- Discover indie games
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From tony at tcapp.com  Mon Mar  2 22:39:38 2009
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:39:38 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A day of PyConsolation
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0903021339l241e53bfy84bf7b3472019a3b@mail.gmail.com>

>  - Are you interested in going?
Yes- assuming my employer will give me that Saturday off.
(they can be Py-Non-Conformists at times)

>  - Do you know where we can host it?  (If all else fails, I'll host it
>  at my place.)
Hmm, well here we go with the north-south debate again.
Symantec- possibly

>  - Are you willing to bring food or help pay for pizza?
definitely

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  2 23:13:31 2009
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:13:31 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Upcoming unconferences: LaidOffCamp (Mar 3,
 SF) and other future BarCamps
Message-ID: <BAY111-W2303E59EABC4B3FAC4C713A0A90@phx.gbl>


[Marginally on the Python topic but probably relevant and useful in today's economy.
Free wireless, usually free food if sponsored, networking opportunities, how can you go wrong?]

March 3, 2009 - LaidOffCamp - San Francisco (conf  9am-5:45pm, afterparty in night-club 6-8pm)

March 21, 2009 - SocialCampSF: San Francisco (social networking technologies)

April 25, 2009 - BarCampBankSF2 - San Francisco (- to foster innovations and the creation of new business models in the world of banking and finance)

April 25-26, 2009 - SacBarCamp - Sacramento

May-June 2009 - Nuestra Voz - San Francisco (Spanish-speaking tech people)

August 15, 2009 - Freelance Camp 3 - Santa Cruz, CA
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From annaraven at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 23:19:20 2009
From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:19:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] A day of PyConsolation
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cb361a610903021419l30172be7ib95955d08516ccc@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>wrote:

> I know that there are a lot of us who can't make it to PyCon this
> year.  I think we should have a day of PyConsolation here in the
> BayArea.


GREAT name JJ!

-- 
cordially,
Anna
--
I am the mother of all things and all things shall wear a sweater!
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From wescpy at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 23:29:47 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:29:47 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Review for Expert Python Programming
In-Reply-To: <db6b5ecc0903021151o6689607dgf038704f74453328@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0902272342y98008d3t7d490d0199512da4@mail.gmail.com>
	<db6b5ecc0903020125t299048cen5243a212f8fbcfeb@mail.gmail.com>
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	<db6b5ecc0903021151o6689607dgf038704f74453328@mail.gmail.com>
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> I realize that writing is hard and takes courage (you're putting
> yourself out in the spotlight, for reviewers like myself to come and
> beat you up :) ?I really hope this experience will not put a damper on
> your energy for continuing to write. ?Sorry if I came across as harsh,
> but I figured the best way to repay your effort was with an honest
> review, even if it wasn't the most flattering.


fernando,

while i can't speak for others, i highly value reader feedback,
regardless of the direction of the review. if something sucks or if
i'm completely wrong somewhere, i need to know about it. the point is
to continue to improve it so for future posterity. that's why i put
both all reviews i can find on the book's website, so that hopefully
people can make more informed decisions than just judging a book by
its cover. if you're scared of negative feedback, you shouldn't be
writing a book for the general public; or, as an alternative, write a
book soooo long, that no one can possibly finish it much less review
it. ;-)

-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From ziade.tarek at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 01:21:38 2009
From: ziade.tarek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:21:38 +0100
Subject: [Baypiggies] Review for Expert Python Programming
In-Reply-To: <db6b5ecc0903021151o6689607dgf038704f74453328@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0902272342y98008d3t7d490d0199512da4@mail.gmail.com>
	<db6b5ecc0903020125t299048cen5243a212f8fbcfeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<94bdd2610903020134x55393e92mb7c73cb6cfc26dfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<db6b5ecc0903021151o6689607dgf038704f74453328@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94bdd2610903021621n42eb5039x7b719ae01c2c083d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Fernando Perez <fperez.net at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tarek,
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Tarek Ziad? <ziade.tarek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the review.
>>
>> ""I really hope that the author and publisher consider this to be
>> constructive criticism and revisit the book with a careful eye for a
>> solid second edition""
>>
>> I can answer for this one: Packt is doing almost Print On Demand. So
>> the typo you mentioned, and many others, are already available
>> if you buy the book now
>
> That's great to hear. ?And as I said, I think there is value in the
> book as it is now, but even more promise. ?I hope to see an improved
> 2nd edition at some point in the future!
>
> I realize that writing is hard and takes courage (you're putting
> yourself out in the spotlight, for reviewers like myself to come and
> beat you up :) ?I really hope this experience will not put a damper on
> your energy for continuing to write. ?Sorry if I came across as harsh,
> but I figured the best way to repay your effort was with an honest
> review, even if it wasn't the most flattering.

Don't be sorry, I am making progress with this kind of review.

Cheers
Tarek

>
> All the best,
>
> f
>
> ps - sorry for the URL typo, thanks to those who figured it out and
> quickly corrected it.
>



-- 
Tarek Ziad? | Association AfPy | www.afpy.org
Blog FR | http://programmation-python.org
Blog EN | http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/

From jjinux at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 10:52:48 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:52:48 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] JJ: Easy Decorator Example: TimeIt
In-Reply-To: <22A7DE9F-3C0D-406D-84D6-E7F4EE73CCC4@glenjarvis.com>
References: <22A7DE9F-3C0D-406D-84D6-E7F4EE73CCC4@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90903030152o384e9ee5pb7de13c35ba0c952@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> JJ,
> ?? ?Last night you mentioned you had a real easy code snippet (TimeIt) that
> clearly explains decorators (or what we sometimes refer to as functional
> decorators). Do you mind sending a copy of that code snippet to supplement
> the Newbie Nugget last night? I'm learning about?decorators?and am starting
> to get my head around them, so any extra code would be helpful.
> Warmest Regards,

No problem.  Tell me if it makes sense :)

-jj

#!/usr/bin/env python

"""Demonstrate function decorators.

BASIC IDEA: Use a function decorator to tell when and how a function should be
logged.  All kinds of things can be logged automatically, including the
function arguments, how long it took to run, and (theoretically) even the
stack.  The syntax looks like:

    @logged("post")
    def hello(name):
        print "Hello,", name

"""

import sys
import time


def logged(when):

    """Log every invocation of the function.

    when -- This should be "pre" or "post".  If "post", then I'll also time
        the function, which may be useful for profiling.

    """

    def log(f, *args, **kargs):
        print >> sys.stderr, """\
Called:
  function: %s
  args: %s
  kargs: %s""" % (`f`, `args`, `kargs`)

    def pre_logged(f):
        def wrapper(*args, **kargs):
            log(f, *args, **kargs)
            return f(*args, **kargs)
        return wrapper

    def post_logged(f):
        def wrapper(*args, **kargs):
            start = time.time()
            try:
                return f(*args, **kargs)
            finally:
                log(f, *args, **kargs)
                print >> sys.stderr, """\
  time delta: %s""" % (time.time() - start)
        return wrapper

    try:
        return {"pre": pre_logged, "post": post_logged}[when]
    except KeyError, e:
        raise ValueError(e)


@logged("post")
def hello(name):
    print "Hello,", name


hello("World!")

From rocky at teampatent.com  Tue Mar  3 18:38:50 2009
From: rocky at teampatent.com (Rocky Kahn)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:38:50 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Developer for National Science Foundation
	Startup
Message-ID: <5e7dca810903030938w4d6eababwc3bca260ade2566f@mail.gmail.com>

TeamPatent, an innovative National Science Foundation-funded startup,
is looking for an expert Python software engineer to help build our document
management engine.  This may sound
straightforward, but it turns out that what we're doing is
ground-breaking research--the National Science Foundation describes
our technology as "game changing".  We've recently launched a beta and have
about 18 months of funding--enough to take us through this dismal economy.

We're building a high-performance, browser-based word processor with an
integrated drawing editor.  It provides responsive collaboration for large,
multimedia documents... imagine a mixture of Mozilla Bespin and Google
Docs.  We're first applying our
editor to drafting patent applications--a highly-constrained, high-value
niche in which we have both technical and market expertise.
Longer-term, we're designing a new type of general word processor that
could be an important part of the future of Office 2.0.

Strong candidates will have previously led architectural design and
implementation of a data-driven web application,
preferably in a smaller company or team where you had to wear many
hats. You'll be working in Python
and other open-source tools including SQLAlchemy and PostgreSQL as you
refine our document versioning engine and
build a deployment system on Linux-based Amazon EC2 instances.  Upcoming
backend design/implementation challenges include real-time federated search
across dynamically-instantiated servers.

As a member of TeamPatent, you'll help contribute to open source--we
already maintain two of the largest widgets in Dojo--dijit.Editor
&
dojox.Sketch--and, with your involvement, we hope to contribute facets
of our backend infrastructure.
TeamPatent holds the potential to be a career-making project with
enormous intellectual scope and market potential.
We're smart, creative, and open to new ideas...join us!
 This position is full-time (with a startup ethos) and on-site in Alameda
(10min bike from Fruitvale BART).  You can see an application screenshot on
our homepage but the beta is still private so if you'd like to try the
editor and/or watch demonstration videos, please ask for an account.  Write
to me, the founder, at rocky at teampatent.com
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From tungwaiyip at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 18:55:07 2009
From: tungwaiyip at yahoo.com (Tung Wai Yip)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:55:07 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] how to programmatically invoke: from module import *
Message-ID: <op.up79d2wroiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>

I always have some trouble in understanding the API for modules importing  
like the __import__(). And this one I really need some help. How can I  
programmatically invoke: from module import *? I want to put the  
references in a dictionary and pass it some other module.

Thank you,

Wai Yip


From aleax at google.com  Tue Mar  3 19:27:34 2009
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:27:34 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] how to programmatically invoke: from module import
	*
In-Reply-To: <op.up79d2wroiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <op.up79d2wroiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55dc209b0903031027w73855fe3ga697c2b25f16a90d@mail.gmail.com>

vars(__import__('module')) should get you a dictionary close to what
you desire.  It may need tweaking because it does not apply the extra
restrictions that "import *" does (__all__ and leading underscores).


Alex


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Tung Wai Yip <tungwaiyip at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I always have some trouble in understanding the API for modules importing
> like the __import__(). And this one I really need some help. How can I
> programmatically invoke: from module import *? I want to put the references
> in a dictionary and pass it some other module.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Wai Yip
>
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From john_re at fastmail.us  Wed Mar  4 14:15:57 2009
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:15:57 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Global FreeSW Meeting March 7 Sat BerkeleyTIP -Global
	- For Forwarding
Message-ID: <1236172557.27054.1303577967@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Ekiga(Gnome meeting), Asterisk, Xen, Virtualbox, Debian 15 Years, Free
and Open Future, Amarok, ZFS, FreeBSD, Python, OLPC


=====  SCHEDULE
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             ex: 10A PST = 1P Eastern ST
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 1 P    Xen, Virtualbox; GNOME
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Asterisk Free Software Telephone System - Paul Charles Leddy, NYLUG-08
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Amarok v2 - Akademy-08
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page. Also, (and I'm not trying to be a kill-joy) I think the smilies
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From tungwaiyip at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 20:36:20 2009
From: tungwaiyip at yahoo.com (Tung Wai Yip)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:36:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] how to programmatically invoke: from module import
	*
In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0903031027w73855fe3ga697c2b25f16a90d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <op.up79d2wroiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
	<55dc209b0903031027w73855fe3ga697c2b25f16a90d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.up98quiioiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>

I end up writing something like this

     mod = __import__(module_name,fromlist=['*'])
     imported = dict((n,v) for n, v in vars(mod).items() if not  
n.startswith('_'))

This code has not considered __all__.

The fromlist=['*'] argument in __import__() is rather surprising. It  
doesn't really execute a "from module import *" as I expect. I still have  
to do filtering manually. All it does is a subtle difference in the module  
returned. In fact I can pass fromlist=['xxx'] and the result obtained  
seems to be the same.

Wai Yip



> vars(__import__('module')) should get you a dictionary close to what
> you desire.  It may need tweaking because it does not apply the extra
> restrictions that "import *" does (__all__ and leading underscores).
>
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Tung Wai Yip <tungwaiyip at yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>> I always have some trouble in understanding the API for modules  
>> importing
>> like the __import__(). And this one I really need some help. How can I
>> programmatically invoke: from module import *? I want to put the  
>> references
>> in a dictionary and pass it some other module.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Wai Yip
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>




From robert.e.smith1 at lmco.com  Thu Mar  5 10:00:34 2009
From: robert.e.smith1 at lmco.com (Smith1, Robert E)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:00:34 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] FW: Baypiggies Digest, Vol 41, Issue 3
Message-ID: <18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF1942A668@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>


>>On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
wrote:
>> JJ,
>> ?? ?Last night you mentioned you had a real easy code snippet
(TimeIt) that
>> clearly explains decorators (or what we sometimes refer to as
functional
>> decorators). Do you mind sending a copy of that code snippet to
supplement
>> the Newbie Nugget last night? I'm learning about?decorators?and am
starting
>> to get my head around them, so any extra code would be helpful.
>> Warmest Regards,

>No problem.  Tell me if it makes sense :)

>-jj


I put some print statements into your code to try and understand it. It
appears that the logged "decorator function" gets executed during
import/load, which also causes either pre_logged(f) or post_logged(f) to
get
executed. This statement appears to be the one that invokes
pre_logged(f) or post_logged(f) (or at least it occurs right before):

return {"pre": pre_logged, "post": post_logged}[when]

Is that correct - that invokes one of those two functions? And if so,
how does "return pre_logged" invoke "pre_logged(f)"? 

Also, why is "f" explicitly declared as a parameter for "log",
"pre_logged", and "post_logged", but not "logged"?

Robert



From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Mar  5 16:06:18 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:06:18 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] JJ's decorators
In-Reply-To: <18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF1942A668@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>
References: <18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF1942A668@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <20090305150617.GA17084@panix.com>

On Thu, Mar 05, 2009, Smith1, Robert E wrote:
>
> I put some print statements into your code to try and understand
> it. It appears that the logged "decorator function" gets executed
> during import/load, which also causes either pre_logged(f) or
> post_logged(f) to get executed. This statement appears to be the one
> that invokes pre_logged(f) or post_logged(f) (or at least it occurs
> right before):
>
> return {"pre": pre_logged, "post": post_logged}[when]
> 
> Is that correct - that invokes one of those two functions? And if so,
> how does "return pre_logged" invoke "pre_logged(f)"? 

It doesn't.  The problem is that there are really two different kinds of
decorators, those without arguments and those that take an argument.
Unfortunately, the second kind is more complicated, and therefore JJ's
example really isn't that simple.  Here's a hyper simplified tracing
decorator:

from functools import wraps

def tracer(f):
    @wraps(f)
    def t(*args, **kwargs):
        print f.func_name, args, kwargs
        return f(*args, **kwargs)
    return t

@tracer
def foo(x):
    print x

> Also, why is "f" explicitly declared as a parameter for "log",
> "pre_logged", and "post_logged", but not "logged"?

Because the first three are the actual wrappers, called during the
execution of f, but ``logged`` is the decorator.  In the simplified
case, you get f for free when calling t() because you can rely on Python
lexical closures passing f when tracer() is called the first time to
decorate foo.  However, when a decorator takes arguments, the wrappers
need to include f in their signatures.

Basically, to *write* decorators, you *REALLY* need to understand
closures and passing functions around as first-class objects or you won't
get anywhere.  On the other hand, as Charles was at pains to point out,
when you're just using someone else's decorators, you only need to
follow their instructions: notice how calling foo() is exactly the same
regardless of whether you use the @tracer line.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of     
indirection."  --Butler Lampson

From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 07:19:12 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:19:12 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] JJ's decorators
In-Reply-To: <20090305150617.GA17084@panix.com>
References: <18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF1942A668@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>
	<20090305150617.GA17084@panix.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90903052219g45f64a0q8680983f81219584@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009, Smith1, Robert E wrote:
> >
> > I put some print statements into your code to try and understand
> > it. It appears that the logged "decorator function" gets executed
> > during import/load, which also causes either pre_logged(f) or
> > post_logged(f) to get executed. This statement appears to be the one
> > that invokes pre_logged(f) or post_logged(f) (or at least it occurs
> > right before):
> >
> > return {"pre": pre_logged, "post": post_logged}[when]
> >
> > Is that correct - that invokes one of those two functions? And if so,
> > how does "return pre_logged" invoke "pre_logged(f)"?
>
> It doesn't. ?The problem is that there are really two different kinds of
> decorators, those without arguments and those that take an argument.
> Unfortunately, the second kind is more complicated, and therefore JJ's
> example really isn't that simple. ?Here's a hyper simplified tracing
> decorator:
>
> from functools import wraps
>
> def tracer(f):
> ? ?@wraps(f)
> ? ?def t(*args, **kwargs):
> ? ? ? ?print f.func_name, args, kwargs
> ? ? ? ?return f(*args, **kwargs)
> ? ?return t
>
> @tracer
> def foo(x):
> ? ?print x
>
> > Also, why is "f" explicitly declared as a parameter for "log",
> > "pre_logged", and "post_logged", but not "logged"?
>
> Because the first three are the actual wrappers, called during the
> execution of f, but ``logged`` is the decorator. ?In the simplified
> case, you get f for free when calling t() because you can rely on Python
> lexical closures passing f when tracer() is called the first time to
> decorate foo. ?However, when a decorator takes arguments, the wrappers
> need to include f in their signatures.
>
> Basically, to *write* decorators, you *REALLY* need to understand
> closures and passing functions around as first-class objects or you won't
> get anywhere. ?On the other hand, as Charles was at pains to point out,
> when you're just using someone else's decorators, you only need to
> follow their instructions: notice how calling foo() is exactly the same
> regardless of whether you use the @tracer line.

Thanks, Aahz.

-jj

--
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Mar  7 04:33:53 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:33:53 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Beautiful Documentation with Sphinx
Message-ID: <A18B142E-C723-42C0-8CD4-8AE1674E6BD0@glenjarvis.com>

There was an earlier thread where I was struggling getting Sphinx  
setup so I could test how my documentation of code in rich text would  
look both in code and in documentation tools like Sphinx. Jim even  
suggested I bring this as a newbie nugget. I'm still struggling and  
learning. But, there is a tech talk at the Py4Science group in Berkeley:

This came from a recent posting from Paul Ivanov (from Py4Science).  
The meeting is this next week:


The py4science group consists of a bunch of UC Berkeley users who are
interested in using, learning about and developing Python-based tools
for scientific research. While our initial focus was in projects useful
to neuroscience (the group was started by fellows from the Redwood and
Helen Wills neuroscience institutes on campus), we hope to bring
together a wider audience of users on campus from all disciplines.

Next meeting: March 11th. Fernando Perez: creating intelligent and
beautiful documentation with Sphinx.

All meetings are held on Wednesdays at 4pm, 508-20 Evans Hall, every two
weeks.

Please see the website for a summary of past topics covered, as well as
information about the listserve.

<https://cirl.berkeley.edu/view/Py4Science>

cheers,
Paul Ivanov

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From robert.e.smith1 at lmco.com  Sun Mar  8 09:52:40 2009
From: robert.e.smith1 at lmco.com (Smith1, Robert E)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:52:40 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] JJ's decorators
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1236337201.2799.baypiggies@python.org>
References: <mailman.1.1236337201.2799.baypiggies@python.org>
Message-ID: <18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF194D0AF4@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>

> 
> It doesn't.  The problem is that there are really two different kinds
of
> decorators, those without arguments and those that take an argument.
> Unfortunately, the second kind is more complicated,

Thanks for the reply. Now that I think about it, I do seem to recall
Charles Merriam saying that "you get called twice" in the case of
decorators with arguments. So the first return - "return {"pre":
pre_logged, "post": post_logged}[when]" - must be to give Python the
function to call the second time during setup. To my untrained eye it
looks like the "decorator with arguments" scenario could have been
handled with a single call that included the decorated function as an
argument in addition to the arguments for the decorator, but I must be
missing something.

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Mar  8 16:08:58 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:08:58 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] JJ's decorators
In-Reply-To: <18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF194D0AF4@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>
References: <mailman.1.1236337201.2799.baypiggies@python.org>
	<18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF194D0AF4@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <20090308150858.GA1461@panix.com>

On Sun, Mar 08, 2009, Smith1, Robert E wrote:
>Aahz:
>> 
>> It doesn't.  The problem is that there are really two different kinds of
>> decorators, those without arguments and those that take an argument.
>> Unfortunately, the second kind is more complicated,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. Now that I think about it, I do seem to recall
> Charles Merriam saying that "you get called twice" in the case of
> decorators with arguments. So the first return - "return {"pre":
> pre_logged, "post": post_logged}[when]" - must be to give Python the
> function to call the second time during setup. To my untrained eye it
> looks like the "decorator with arguments" scenario could have been
> handled with a single call that included the decorated function as an
> argument in addition to the arguments for the decorator, but I must be
> missing something.

While writing that post, I looked at PEP 318 to figure out why it was
done, and the most I was able to find was that

    @deco('bar')
    def foo(): pass

was equivalent to

    def foo(): pass
    foo = deco('bar')(foo)

without any justification for why that was preferred over

    foo = deco(foo, 'bar')

I'm assuming there was some prior art or a preference for simplifying the
call signature for deco(), but unless someone asks on python-dev (or can
search the python-dev archives or is reading baypiggies and decides to
answer), I don't think we'll get an authoritative answer.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of     
indirection."  --Butler Lampson

From jjinux at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 07:39:00 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:39:00 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] JJ's decorators
In-Reply-To: <18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF194D0AF4@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>
References: <mailman.1.1236337201.2799.baypiggies@python.org>
	<18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF194D0AF4@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90903082339p2f29a381o44d435f4c45f7c2c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Smith1, Robert E
<robert.e.smith1 at lmco.com> wrote:
>>
>> It doesn't. ?The problem is that there are really two different kinds
> of
>> decorators, those without arguments and those that take an argument.
>> Unfortunately, the second kind is more complicated,
>
> Thanks for the reply. Now that I think about it, I do seem to recall
> Charles Merriam saying that "you get called twice" in the case of
> decorators with arguments. So the first return - "return {"pre":
> pre_logged, "post": post_logged}[when]" - must be to give Python the
> function to call the second time during setup. To my untrained eye it
> looks like the "decorator with arguments" scenario could have been
> handled with a single call that included the decorated function as an
> argument in addition to the arguments for the decorator, but I must be
> missing something.

You can get the decorator package to work like that:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/decorator

Here's an example from their documentation:

from decorator import decorator

def _trace(f, *args, **kw):
    print "calling %s with args %s, %s" % (f.__name__, args, kw)
    return f(*args, **kw)

def trace(f):
    return decorator(_trace, f)

@trace
def f1(x):
    pass

As Charles mentioned, the decorator package will take care of all
those irritating things like making the API match and keeping the
__doc__ in tact.

By the way, don't forget that you can also do tricks like this:

def _trace(f, *args, **kw):
    print "calling %s with args %s, %s" % (f.__name__, args, kw)
    try:
        return f(*args, **kw)
    finally:
        print "Hmm, well that was fun.  You should call f again!"

Best Regards,
-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From daryl.spitzer at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 16:26:26 2009
From: daryl.spitzer at gmail.com (Daryl Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:26:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] urllib2, basic HTTP authentication, and tr.im
Message-ID: <fbf2758a0903100826u1b0f1678l74e7a688a6b51eb0@mail.gmail.com>

I'm playing around, trying to write some code to use the http://tr.im
APIs (http://tr.im/api/) to shorten a URL.

After reading http://docs.python.org/library/urllib2.html, I tried:

    TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
    auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler()
    auth_handler.add_password(realm='tr.im',
                              uri=TRIM_API_URL,
                              user=USERNAME,
                              passwd=PASSWORD)
    opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
    urllib2.install_opener(opener)
    response = urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
                               % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
    url = response.read().strip()

response.code is 200 (I think it should be 202).  url is valid, but
the basic HTTP authentication doesn't seem to have worked, because the
shortened URL isn't in my list of URLs (at http://tr.im/?page=1).

After reading http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/authentication.shtml#doing-it-properly
I also tried:

    TRIM_API_URL = 'api.tr.im/api'
    password_mgr = urllib2.HTTPPasswordMgrWithDefaultRealm()
    password_mgr.add_password(None, TRIM_API_URL, USERNAME, PASSWORD)
    auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler(password_mgr)
    opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
    urllib2.install_opener(opener)
    response = urllib2.urlopen('http://%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
                               % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
    url = response.read().strip()

But I get the same results.  (response.code is 200 and url is valid,
but not recorded in my account at http://tr.im/.)

If I use query string parameters instead of basic HTTP authentication,
like this:

    TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
    response = urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s&username=%s&password=%s'
                               % (TRIM_API_URL,
                                  url_to_trim,
                                  USERNAME,
                                  PASSWORD))
    url = response.read().strip()

...then not only is url valid but it's recorded in my tr.im account.
(Though response.code is still 200.)

Either there must be something wrong in my authentication code, or in
tr.im's.  (I've written api at tr.im to see if it's a known problem and
haven't received a response.)

Can anyone spot any problems?

--
Daryl

From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 07:51:15 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:51:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] urllib2, basic HTTP authentication, and tr.im
In-Reply-To: <fbf2758a0903100826u1b0f1678l74e7a688a6b51eb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fbf2758a0903100826u1b0f1678l74e7a688a6b51eb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90903102351ue12f625yfc1b16ec683f70ca@mail.gmail.com>

It may help to look at what is being sent over the wire.

-jj

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Daryl Spitzer <daryl.spitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm playing around, trying to write some code to use the http://tr.im
> APIs (http://tr.im/api/) to shorten a URL.
>
> After reading http://docs.python.org/library/urllib2.html, I tried:
>
> ? ?TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
> ? ?auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler()
> ? ?auth_handler.add_password(realm='tr.im',
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?uri=TRIM_API_URL,
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?user=USERNAME,
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?passwd=PASSWORD)
> ? ?opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
> ? ?urllib2.install_opener(opener)
> ? ?response = urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
> ? ?url = response.read().strip()
>
> response.code is 200 (I think it should be 202). ?url is valid, but
> the basic HTTP authentication doesn't seem to have worked, because the
> shortened URL isn't in my list of URLs (at http://tr.im/?page=1).
>
> After reading http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/authentication.shtml#doing-it-properly
> I also tried:
>
> ? ?TRIM_API_URL = 'api.tr.im/api'
> ? ?password_mgr = urllib2.HTTPPasswordMgrWithDefaultRealm()
> ? ?password_mgr.add_password(None, TRIM_API_URL, USERNAME, PASSWORD)
> ? ?auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler(password_mgr)
> ? ?opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
> ? ?urllib2.install_opener(opener)
> ? ?response = urllib2.urlopen('http://%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
> ? ?url = response.read().strip()
>
> But I get the same results. ?(response.code is 200 and url is valid,
> but not recorded in my account at http://tr.im/.)
>
> If I use query string parameters instead of basic HTTP authentication,
> like this:
>
> ? ?TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
> ? ?response = urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s&username=%s&password=%s'
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? % (TRIM_API_URL,
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?url_to_trim,
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?USERNAME,
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?PASSWORD))
> ? ?url = response.read().strip()
>
> ...then not only is url valid but it's recorded in my tr.im account.
> (Though response.code is still 200.)
>
> Either there must be something wrong in my authentication code, or in
> tr.im's. ?(I've written api at tr.im to see if it's a known problem and
> haven't received a response.)
>
> Can anyone spot any problems?
>
> --
> Daryl
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>



-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Wed Mar 11 18:44:45 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:44:45 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Utility Tools for PyS60/MeetUp
Message-ID: <0DD6A15A-91BA-48CB-9F57-AB2C5B976276@glenjarvis.com>

I've been trying to start a PyS60/Symbian MeetUp group since January.

I'm not a very knowledgeable developer on S60. But, sometimes one only  
needs to get the talent organized and together and we all learn  
something. I'm especially interested in both web frameworks and mobile  
platforms.

I heard there was a BayPIGgie tech talk on Python for Symbian before.  
Would that speaker or ANY speaker interested on Python for S60 please  
speak on the topic (or a similar topic) on March 24? I'm doing my best  
to build a small community and feel I would do a disservice to them by  
being the only speaker -- especially when I'm just learning the  
technology myself.

Here is the link to our meet-up:

http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Symbian-Phone-Fanatics/

The PyS60 MeetUp will be on March 24 at 7 p.m. I have a lead on a  
solid meeting place, but its not finalized yet.

Thank you in advance


Glen
--
415-680-3964
glen at glenjarvis.com
http://www.glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi

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From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 19:24:50 2009
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Decorator example programs
Message-ID: <b8c6f6c40903111124rbcdad85rf666450a43b09c57@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Here is a set of the source files I used for last month's decorator
talk.  I plan to post an updated set later, using the kind feedback
everyone provided.

Charles Merriam
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From fperez.net at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 20:07:52 2009
From: fperez.net at gmail.com (Fernando Perez)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:52 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Py4Science talk at Berkeley: change of schedule
Message-ID: <db6b5ecc0903111207k7b6182baufb3e75c99869796d@mail.gmail.com>

[ I'm sending this to this list because several of you have contacted
me about the sphinx talk.  Sorry about the semi-spam]

Hi all,

sorry for the short notice, but we have a visitor from out of town who
agreed to present on a number of topics close to the work many of us
are doing and its Python interfaces, so I'm pushing my Sphinx talk to
*next week* (unless the room isn't available).

I hope to see you there, and sorry for the last-minute change of
schedule for those who were waiting on the Sphinx talk.  But I really
didn't want to pass up the opportunity of Steve's presentation.

Cheers,

f

Speaker: Steve Pieper, from the Brigham and Women's Hospital at Harvard.

Title: NA-MIC, Slicer and Python

Abstract:

The National Alliance for Medical Image Computing (http://na-mic.org/)
is an NIH sponsored effort to provide tools for developers and
end-users of new biomedical imaging algorithms to deploy their
efforts. Applications include such topics as neuroimaging, image
guided therapy, biomechanics, and microscopy (http://slicer.org/).  A
fully open source set of tools including CMake, VTK, ITK, and 3D
Slicer, are bundled in the NA-MIC Kit.

Particularly in the end-user applications, we are working to expose
the full range of functionality via python scripts in order to provide
direct access to visualization as well as image registration and
segmentation.  While the bulk of development, particularly for ITK
algorithms, takes place in C++, several opportunities exist for
leveraging the best of the both styles of programming.  For this venue
I will give some specific examples of how we are currently using
python in this context and a few of the thorny issues related to
deployment and integration with various C and C++ toolkits.

An overview of the current interface is given here:

http://slicer.spl.harvard.edu/slicerWiki/index.php/Slicer3:Python

From bsergean at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 22:07:09 2009
From: bsergean at gmail.com (Benjamin Sergeant)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:07:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] urllib2, basic HTTP authentication, and tr.im
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90903102351ue12f625yfc1b16ec683f70ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fbf2758a0903100826u1b0f1678l74e7a688a6b51eb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90903102351ue12f625yfc1b16ec683f70ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1621f9fa0903111407k44d0fb55y574c1f494ef815d@mail.gmail.com>

Warning: quick and dirty solution with no error checking using curl and a
unix pipe.

- Benjamin

[bsergean at localhost bin]$ cat trim.py
#!/usr/bin/env python

import os, sys
from getpass import getpass
import xml.dom.minidom

if len(sys.argv) != 2:
    print 'Usage: trim.py <url to shorten>'
    sys.exit(0)

user = raw_input('username: ')
passwd = getpass('password: ')

# See http://tr.im/api
url = 'http://api.tr.im/api/trim_url.xml?url=%s&newtrim=yes' % sys.argv[1]

# Warning: --silent don't show error messages
cmd  = 'curl --silent --basic -u %s:%s ' % (user, passwd)
cmd += url

fd = os.popen(cmd, 'r')
response = fd.read()
print response
fd.close()

Doc = xml.dom.minidom.parseString(response)
N = Doc.getElementsByTagName("url")
shortened_url = str((N[0].childNodes)[0].data)

print 'shortened url:', shortened_url


[bsergean at localhost bin]$ python trim.py
Usage: trim.py <url to shorten>
[bsergean at localhost bin]$ python trim.py
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/
username: bsergean
password:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<trim>
  <status result="OK" code="200" message="tr.im URL Added."/>
  <url>http://tr.im/hglC</url>
  <reference>ZfCAq7qcyouYXwfR2WsuBR6v3V4q7L</reference>
  <trimpath>hglC</trimpath>
</trim>

shortened url: http://tr.im/hglC






On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>wrote:

> It may help to look at what is being sent over the wire.
>
> -jj
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Daryl Spitzer <daryl.spitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm playing around, trying to write some code to use the http://tr.im
> > APIs (http://tr.im/api/) to shorten a URL.
> >
> > After reading http://docs.python.org/library/urllib2.html, I tried:
> >
> >    TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
> >    auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler()
> >    auth_handler.add_password(realm='tr.im',
> >                              uri=TRIM_API_URL,
> >                              user=USERNAME,
> >                              passwd=PASSWORD)
> >    opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
> >    urllib2.install_opener(opener)
> >    response = urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
> >                               % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
> >    url = response.read().strip()
> >
> > response.code is 200 (I think it should be 202).  url is valid, but
> > the basic HTTP authentication doesn't seem to have worked, because the
> > shortened URL isn't in my list of URLs (at http://tr.im/?page=1).
> >
> > After reading
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/authentication.shtml#doing-it-properly
> > I also tried:
> >
> >    TRIM_API_URL = 'api.tr.im/api'
> >    password_mgr = urllib2.HTTPPasswordMgrWithDefaultRealm()
> >    password_mgr.add_password(None, TRIM_API_URL, USERNAME, PASSWORD)
> >    auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler(password_mgr)
> >    opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
> >    urllib2.install_opener(opener)
> >    response = urllib2.urlopen('http://%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
> >                               % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
> >    url = response.read().strip()
> >
> > But I get the same results.  (response.code is 200 and url is valid,
> > but not recorded in my account at http://tr.im/.)
> >
> > If I use query string parameters instead of basic HTTP authentication,
> > like this:
> >
> >    TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
> >    response =
> urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s&username=%s&password=%s'
> >                               % (TRIM_API_URL,
> >                                  url_to_trim,
> >                                  USERNAME,
> >                                  PASSWORD))
> >    url = response.read().strip()
> >
> > ...then not only is url valid but it's recorded in my tr.im account.
> > (Though response.code is still 200.)
> >
> > Either there must be something wrong in my authentication code, or in
> > tr.im's.  (I've written api at tr.im to see if it's a known problem and
> > haven't received a response.)
> >
> > Can anyone spot any problems?
> >
> > --
> > Daryl
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
>
>
>
> --
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
> with great love. -- Mother Teresa
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
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> Baypiggies at python.org
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From daryl.spitzer at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 23:14:11 2009
From: daryl.spitzer at gmail.com (Daryl Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:14:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] urllib2, basic HTTP authentication, and tr.im
In-Reply-To: <1621f9fa0903111407k44d0fb55y574c1f494ef815d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fbf2758a0903100826u1b0f1678l74e7a688a6b51eb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90903102351ue12f625yfc1b16ec683f70ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<1621f9fa0903111407k44d0fb55y574c1f494ef815d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbf2758a0903111514w334deb04yeaf99695c00884db@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Benjamin.  I should have wrote sooner to add that I've
confirmed that curl -u works.  So the problem is definitely with my
Python basic HTTP authentication code.

I also should have explained that I want to use urllib2 because (as
Michael Foord wrote in
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/urllib2.shtml#proxies),
urllib2 will auto-detect proxy settings and use them; curl--as far as
I know--doesn't auto-detect proxy settings.  (So my code using query
string parameters works fine at work through a proxy server and at
home.)

Also, I'd just like to learn why my code doesn't work!

I guess I should take jj's advice and look at what is being sent over
the wire.  (And compare that to what's going over the wire with curl.)
 I've never done that before.  Can anyone recommend a tool for that
(preferably that works on Mac OS X)?

--
Daryl


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Benjamin Sergeant <bsergean at gmail.com> wrote:
> Warning: quick and dirty solution with no error checking using curl and a
> unix pipe.
>
> - Benjamin
>
> [bsergean at localhost bin]$ cat trim.py
> #!/usr/bin/env python
>
> import os, sys
> from getpass import getpass
> import xml.dom.minidom
>
> if len(sys.argv) != 2:
> ??? print 'Usage: trim.py <url to shorten>'
> ??? sys.exit(0)
>
> user = raw_input('username: ')
> passwd = getpass('password: ')
>
> # See http://tr.im/api
> url = 'http://api.tr.im/api/trim_url.xml?url=%s&newtrim=yes' % sys.argv[1]
>
> # Warning: --silent don't show error messages
> cmd? = 'curl --silent --basic -u %s:%s ' % (user, passwd)
> cmd += url
>
> fd = os.popen(cmd, 'r')
> response = fd.read()
> print response
> fd.close()
>
> Doc = xml.dom.minidom.parseString(response)
> N = Doc.getElementsByTagName("url")
> shortened_url = str((N[0].childNodes)[0].data)
>
> print 'shortened url:', shortened_url
>
>
> [bsergean at localhost bin]$ python trim.py
> Usage: trim.py <url to shorten>
> [bsergean at localhost bin]$ python trim.py
> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/
> username: bsergean
> password:
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <trim>
> ? <status result="OK" code="200" message="tr.im URL Added."/>
> ? <url>http://tr.im/hglC</url>
> ? <reference>ZfCAq7qcyouYXwfR2WsuBR6v3V4q7L</reference>
> ? <trimpath>hglC</trimpath>
> </trim>
>
> shortened url: http://tr.im/hglC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> It may help to look at what is being sent over the wire.
>>
>> -jj
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Daryl Spitzer <daryl.spitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'm playing around, trying to write some code to use the http://tr.im
>> > APIs (http://tr.im/api/) to shorten a URL.
>> >
>> > After reading http://docs.python.org/library/urllib2.html, I tried:
>> >
>> > ? ?TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
>> > ? ?auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler()
>> > ? ?auth_handler.add_password(realm='tr.im',
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?uri=TRIM_API_URL,
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?user=USERNAME,
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?passwd=PASSWORD)
>> > ? ?opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
>> > ? ?urllib2.install_opener(opener)
>> > ? ?response = urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
>> > ? ?url = response.read().strip()
>> >
>> > response.code is 200 (I think it should be 202). ?url is valid, but
>> > the basic HTTP authentication doesn't seem to have worked, because the
>> > shortened URL isn't in my list of URLs (at http://tr.im/?page=1).
>> >
>> > After reading
>> > http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/authentication.shtml#doing-it-properly
>> > I also tried:
>> >
>> > ? ?TRIM_API_URL = 'api.tr.im/api'
>> > ? ?password_mgr = urllib2.HTTPPasswordMgrWithDefaultRealm()
>> > ? ?password_mgr.add_password(None, TRIM_API_URL, USERNAME, PASSWORD)
>> > ? ?auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler(password_mgr)
>> > ? ?opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
>> > ? ?urllib2.install_opener(opener)
>> > ? ?response = urllib2.urlopen('http://%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
>> > ? ?url = response.read().strip()
>> >
>> > But I get the same results. ?(response.code is 200 and url is valid,
>> > but not recorded in my account at http://tr.im/.)
>> >
>> > If I use query string parameters instead of basic HTTP authentication,
>> > like this:
>> >
>> > ? ?TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
>> > ? ?response =
>> > urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s&username=%s&password=%s'
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? % (TRIM_API_URL,
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?url_to_trim,
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?USERNAME,
>> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?PASSWORD))
>> > ? ?url = response.read().strip()
>> >
>> > ...then not only is url valid but it's recorded in my tr.im account.
>> > (Though response.code is still 200.)
>> >
>> > Either there must be something wrong in my authentication code, or in
>> > tr.im's. ?(I've written api at tr.im to see if it's a known problem and
>> > haven't received a response.)
>> >
>> > Can anyone spot any problems?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Daryl
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
>> with great love. -- Mother Teresa
>> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>

From damonmc at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 23:37:37 2009
From: damonmc at gmail.com (Damon McCormick)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:37:37 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] urllib2, basic HTTP authentication, and tr.im
In-Reply-To: <fbf2758a0903111514w334deb04yeaf99695c00884db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fbf2758a0903100826u1b0f1678l74e7a688a6b51eb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90903102351ue12f625yfc1b16ec683f70ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<1621f9fa0903111407k44d0fb55y574c1f494ef815d@mail.gmail.com>
	<fbf2758a0903111514w334deb04yeaf99695c00884db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3cce76f60903111537n7a246acbwa6b6d6384464160b@mail.gmail.com>

I've used a  tool called Charles <http://www.charlesproxy.com/> for http,
and Wireshark <http://www.wireshark.org/> is the standard for general
protocol analysis.  Both run on OS X.

-Damon

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Daryl Spitzer <daryl.spitzer at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks Benjamin.  I should have wrote sooner to add that I've
> confirmed that curl -u works.  So the problem is definitely with my
> Python basic HTTP authentication code.
>
> I also should have explained that I want to use urllib2 because (as
> Michael Foord wrote in
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/urllib2.shtml#proxies),
> urllib2 will auto-detect proxy settings and use them; curl--as far as
> I know--doesn't auto-detect proxy settings.  (So my code using query
> string parameters works fine at work through a proxy server and at
> home.)
>
> Also, I'd just like to learn why my code doesn't work!
>
> I guess I should take jj's advice and look at what is being sent over
> the wire.  (And compare that to what's going over the wire with curl.)
>  I've never done that before.  Can anyone recommend a tool for that
> (preferably that works on Mac OS X)?
>
> --
> Daryl
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Benjamin Sergeant <bsergean at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Warning: quick and dirty solution with no error checking using curl and a
> > unix pipe.
> >
> > - Benjamin
> >
> > [bsergean at localhost bin]$ cat trim.py
> > #!/usr/bin/env python
> >
> > import os, sys
> > from getpass import getpass
> > import xml.dom.minidom
> >
> > if len(sys.argv) != 2:
> >     print 'Usage: trim.py <url to shorten>'
> >     sys.exit(0)
> >
> > user = raw_input('username: ')
> > passwd = getpass('password: ')
> >
> > # See http://tr.im/api
> > url = 'http://api.tr.im/api/trim_url.xml?url=%s&newtrim=yes' %
> sys.argv[1]
> >
> > # Warning: --silent don't show error messages
> > cmd  = 'curl --silent --basic -u %s:%s ' % (user, passwd)
> > cmd += url
> >
> > fd = os.popen(cmd, 'r')
> > response = fd.read()
> > print response
> > fd.close()
> >
> > Doc = xml.dom.minidom.parseString(response)
> > N = Doc.getElementsByTagName("url")
> > shortened_url = str((N[0].childNodes)[0].data)
> >
> > print 'shortened url:', shortened_url
> >
> >
> > [bsergean at localhost bin]$ python trim.py
> > Usage: trim.py <url to shorten>
> > [bsergean at localhost bin]$ python trim.py
> > http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/
> > username: bsergean
> > password:
> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> > <trim>
> >   <status result="OK" code="200" message="tr.im URL Added."/>
> >   <url>http://tr.im/hglC</url>
> >   <reference>ZfCAq7qcyouYXwfR2WsuBR6v3V4q7L</reference>
> >   <trimpath>hglC</trimpath>
> > </trim>
> >
> > shortened url: http://tr.im/hglC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> It may help to look at what is being sent over the wire.
> >>
> >> -jj
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Daryl Spitzer <daryl.spitzer at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > I'm playing around, trying to write some code to use the http://tr.im
> >> > APIs (http://tr.im/api/) to shorten a URL.
> >> >
> >> > After reading http://docs.python.org/library/urllib2.html, I tried:
> >> >
> >> >    TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
> >> >    auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler()
> >> >    auth_handler.add_password(realm='tr.im',
> >> >                              uri=TRIM_API_URL,
> >> >                              user=USERNAME,
> >> >                              passwd=PASSWORD)
> >> >    opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
> >> >    urllib2.install_opener(opener)
> >> >    response = urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
> >> >                               % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
> >> >    url = response.read().strip()
> >> >
> >> > response.code is 200 (I think it should be 202).  url is valid, but
> >> > the basic HTTP authentication doesn't seem to have worked, because the
> >> > shortened URL isn't in my list of URLs (at http://tr.im/?page=1).
> >> >
> >> > After reading
> >> >
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/authentication.shtml#doing-it-properly
> >> > I also tried:
> >> >
> >> >    TRIM_API_URL = 'api.tr.im/api'
> >> >    password_mgr = urllib2.HTTPPasswordMgrWithDefaultRealm()
> >> >    password_mgr.add_password(None, TRIM_API_URL, USERNAME, PASSWORD)
> >> >    auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler(password_mgr)
> >> >    opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
> >> >    urllib2.install_opener(opener)
> >> >    response = urllib2.urlopen('http://%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
> >> >                               % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
> >> >    url = response.read().strip()
> >> >
> >> > But I get the same results.  (response.code is 200 and url is valid,
> >> > but not recorded in my account at http://tr.im/.)
> >> >
> >> > If I use query string parameters instead of basic HTTP authentication,
> >> > like this:
> >> >
> >> >    TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
> >> >    response =
> >> > urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s&username=%s&password=%s'
> >> >                               % (TRIM_API_URL,
> >> >                                  url_to_trim,
> >> >                                  USERNAME,
> >> >                                  PASSWORD))
> >> >    url = response.read().strip()
> >> >
> >> > ...then not only is url valid but it's recorded in my tr.im account.
> >> > (Though response.code is still 200.)
> >> >
> >> > Either there must be something wrong in my authentication code, or in
> >> > tr.im's.  (I've written api at tr.im to see if it's a known problem and
> >> > haven't received a response.)
> >> >
> >> > Can anyone spot any problems?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Daryl
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Baypiggies mailing list
> >> > Baypiggies at python.org
> >> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
> >> with great love. -- Mother Teresa
> >> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Baypiggies mailing list
> >> Baypiggies at python.org
> >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From stephen.cattaneo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 00:05:26 2009
From: stephen.cattaneo at gmail.com (Stephen Cattaneo)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:05:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] urllib2, basic HTTP authentication, and tr.im
In-Reply-To: <3cce76f60903111537n7a246acbwa6b6d6384464160b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fbf2758a0903100826u1b0f1678l74e7a688a6b51eb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90903102351ue12f625yfc1b16ec683f70ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<1621f9fa0903111407k44d0fb55y574c1f494ef815d@mail.gmail.com>
	<fbf2758a0903111514w334deb04yeaf99695c00884db@mail.gmail.com>
	<3cce76f60903111537n7a246acbwa6b6d6384464160b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9cc0dd6f0903111605w48a34b4ev80d09b34895928f8@mail.gmail.com>

As Damon suggested; get wireshark (formerly called ethereal) it is typically
the best place to start when debugging weird network issues.

cheers,

S

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Damon McCormick <damonmc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've used a  tool called Charles <http://www.charlesproxy.com/> for http,
> and Wireshark <http://www.wireshark.org/> is the standard for general
> protocol analysis.  Both run on OS X.
>
> -Damon
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Daryl Spitzer <daryl.spitzer at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks Benjamin.  I should have wrote sooner to add that I've
>> confirmed that curl -u works.  So the problem is definitely with my
>> Python basic HTTP authentication code.
>>
>> I also should have explained that I want to use urllib2 because (as
>> Michael Foord wrote in
>> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/urllib2.shtml#proxies),
>> urllib2 will auto-detect proxy settings and use them; curl--as far as
>> I know--doesn't auto-detect proxy settings.  (So my code using query
>> string parameters works fine at work through a proxy server and at
>> home.)
>>
>> Also, I'd just like to learn why my code doesn't work!
>>
>> I guess I should take jj's advice and look at what is being sent over
>> the wire.  (And compare that to what's going over the wire with curl.)
>>  I've never done that before.  Can anyone recommend a tool for that
>> (preferably that works on Mac OS X)?
>>
>> --
>> Daryl
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Benjamin Sergeant <bsergean at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Warning: quick and dirty solution with no error checking using curl and
>> a
>> > unix pipe.
>> >
>> > - Benjamin
>> >
>> > [bsergean at localhost bin]$ cat trim.py
>> > #!/usr/bin/env python
>> >
>> > import os, sys
>> > from getpass import getpass
>> > import xml.dom.minidom
>> >
>> > if len(sys.argv) != 2:
>> >     print 'Usage: trim.py <url to shorten>'
>> >     sys.exit(0)
>> >
>> > user = raw_input('username: ')
>> > passwd = getpass('password: ')
>> >
>> > # See http://tr.im/api
>> > url = 'http://api.tr.im/api/trim_url.xml?url=%s&newtrim=yes' %
>> sys.argv[1]
>> >
>> > # Warning: --silent don't show error messages
>> > cmd  = 'curl --silent --basic -u %s:%s ' % (user, passwd)
>> > cmd += url
>> >
>> > fd = os.popen(cmd, 'r')
>> > response = fd.read()
>> > print response
>> > fd.close()
>> >
>> > Doc = xml.dom.minidom.parseString(response)
>> > N = Doc.getElementsByTagName("url")
>> > shortened_url = str((N[0].childNodes)[0].data)
>> >
>> > print 'shortened url:', shortened_url
>> >
>> >
>> > [bsergean at localhost bin]$ python trim.py
>> > Usage: trim.py <url to shorten>
>> > [bsergean at localhost bin]$ python trim.py
>> > http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/
>> > username: bsergean
>> > password:
>> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>> > <trim>
>> >   <status result="OK" code="200" message="tr.im URL Added."/>
>> >   <url>http://tr.im/hglC</url>
>> >   <reference>ZfCAq7qcyouYXwfR2WsuBR6v3V4q7L</reference>
>> >   <trimpath>hglC</trimpath>
>> > </trim>
>> >
>> > shortened url: http://tr.im/hglC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It may help to look at what is being sent over the wire.
>> >>
>> >> -jj
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Daryl Spitzer <
>> daryl.spitzer at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I'm playing around, trying to write some code to use the
>> http://tr.im
>> >> > APIs (http://tr.im/api/) to shorten a URL.
>> >> >
>> >> > After reading http://docs.python.org/library/urllib2.html, I tried:
>> >> >
>> >> >    TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
>> >> >    auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler()
>> >> >    auth_handler.add_password(realm='tr.im',
>> >> >                              uri=TRIM_API_URL,
>> >> >                              user=USERNAME,
>> >> >                              passwd=PASSWORD)
>> >> >    opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
>> >> >    urllib2.install_opener(opener)
>> >> >    response = urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
>> >> >                               % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
>> >> >    url = response.read().strip()
>> >> >
>> >> > response.code is 200 (I think it should be 202).  url is valid, but
>> >> > the basic HTTP authentication doesn't seem to have worked, because
>> the
>> >> > shortened URL isn't in my list of URLs (at http://tr.im/?page=1).
>> >> >
>> >> > After reading
>> >> >
>> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/authentication.shtml#doing-it-properly
>> >> > I also tried:
>> >> >
>> >> >    TRIM_API_URL = 'api.tr.im/api'
>> >> >    password_mgr = urllib2.HTTPPasswordMgrWithDefaultRealm()
>> >> >    password_mgr.add_password(None, TRIM_API_URL, USERNAME, PASSWORD)
>> >> >    auth_handler = urllib2.HTTPBasicAuthHandler(password_mgr)
>> >> >    opener = urllib2.build_opener(auth_handler)
>> >> >    urllib2.install_opener(opener)
>> >> >    response = urllib2.urlopen('http://%s/trim_simple?url=%s'
>> >> >                               % (TRIM_API_URL, url_to_trim))
>> >> >    url = response.read().strip()
>> >> >
>> >> > But I get the same results.  (response.code is 200 and url is valid,
>> >> > but not recorded in my account at http://tr.im/.)
>> >> >
>> >> > If I use query string parameters instead of basic HTTP
>> authentication,
>> >> > like this:
>> >> >
>> >> >    TRIM_API_URL = 'http://api.tr.im/api'
>> >> >    response =
>> >> > urllib2.urlopen('%s/trim_simple?url=%s&username=%s&password=%s'
>> >> >                               % (TRIM_API_URL,
>> >> >                                  url_to_trim,
>> >> >                                  USERNAME,
>> >> >                                  PASSWORD))
>> >> >    url = response.read().strip()
>> >> >
>> >> > ...then not only is url valid but it's recorded in my tr.im account.
>> >> > (Though response.code is still 200.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Either there must be something wrong in my authentication code, or in
>> >> > tr.im's.  (I've written api at tr.im to see if it's a known problem and
>> >> > haven't received a response.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Can anyone spot any problems?
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Daryl
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> >> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> >> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
>> >> with great love. -- Mother Teresa
>> >> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Baypiggies mailing list
>> >> Baypiggies at python.org
>> >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >
>> >
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From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 06:53:33 2009
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:53:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] High Performance Python - Rough Cut edition
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0903112253g185acc4bp44652d3d1cb22eda@mail.gmail.com>

O'REILLY gave me a few discount codes for free 45-day access to a "Rough
Cut" edition
of their upcoming release "High Performance Python"

http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596159894/?CMP=EMC-ormnewsletter&ATT=jan09-book-High-Performance-Python-Rough-Cuts-Version#top

O'REILLY would like some feedback on the Rough Cut edition of this book, so
be prepared to type up a few paragraphs about the book so that I can forward
to O'REILLY. Your comments *may* help improve the final edition of this
book. Consider this an informal book review.

Only those interested parties who are committed to giving some constructive
feedback and actually have time to complete this should reply. Too many
people have requested books to review, only to disappear from contact
thereafter. Lets follow through this time. O'REILLY and the other publishers
are very generous with us.

If you would like a discount code and commit to a short writeup, please
email me off-list. I only have 3 , so they will be gone quickly.


Thanks


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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Mar 12 20:44:11 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:44:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] HIPAA, Django and security?
Message-ID: <CFA5B224-F730-4C76-B5A0-DB1EB1D807C8@glenjarvis.com>

I have a customer who has a Django application that I have upgraded to  
Django 1.1.

The customer wants to take this software in a more public arena. He  
has to get HIPAA approval. The data is stored in a MySQL database and  
the standard Django User Authentication model is used (out of the box  
with no changes). Since security is a concern for the customer, I  
wanted to find all information from HIPAA regarding the Django User  
Authentication/Sessions security model. I expected to see documents  
that they have approved this model in the past. But, I'm getting  
caught in all types of minutia and can't seem to find information  
directly relating to HIPAA's criteria for web security and Django User  
Authentication.

I only found one security report (and it wasn't related to session  
login at all):

07.45.60 CVE: Not Available
Platform: Web Application
Title: Django i18n Remote Denial of Service
Description: Django is a Python-based framework for building web
applications. The application is exposed to a remote denial of service
issue because it fails to adequately handle user-supplied input. This
issue affects the "i18n" internationalization system when processing
specially crafted "Accept-Language" HTTP requests. Django versions
0.91, 0.95, 0.95.1, and 0.96 are affected.
Ref: http://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2007/oct/26/security-fix/

Does anyone know where to find such "stamp of approval" or "denial"  
from HIPAA's point of view? I can find no specific links to Django  
from hippa.org. Which governmental agency site should I be searching  
for with regard to Open Source and security?

Thanks in advance for any direction you can lead me in (where to go or  
who to talk to),

Cheers,


Glen
--
glen at glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi

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From stephen.cattaneo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 22:34:40 2009
From: stephen.cattaneo at gmail.com (Stephen Cattaneo)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:34:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django CMS or Plone ?
Message-ID: <9cc0dd6f0903121434k3dc325c5h54c8aa1154588226@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

  A friend of mine is starting up a community e-zine.  He is currently using
Joomla (PHP based CMS).  Unfortunately he knows nothing of
PHP/HTML/JavaScript, etc.  He has come to me multiple times with questions.
I know enough to be helpful, but have zero interest in spending any more
time in Joomla.  As I've been sucked into his project as some sort of tech
adviser and its still early enough that it wont be TOO painful of a switch,
I would like to move the project to a python based CMS.

Is there a decent CMS Django application or should I just go with Plone?
Any comments would be appreciated.

Cheers,

S

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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Mar 12 22:45:59 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:45:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django CMS or Plone ?
In-Reply-To: <9cc0dd6f0903121434k3dc325c5h54c8aa1154588226@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9cc0dd6f0903121434k3dc325c5h54c8aa1154588226@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DEF1FEA2-0FE8-4E13-9E44-ED10DA63A3AA@glenjarvis.com>

>   A friend of mine is starting up a community e-zine.  He is  
> currently using Joomla (PHP based CMS).  Unfortunately he knows  
> nothing of PHP/HTML/JavaScript, etc.  He has come to me multiple  
> times with questions.  I know enough to be helpful, but have zero  
> interest in spending any more time in Joomla.  As I've been sucked  
> into his project as some sort of tech adviser and its still early  
> enough that it wont be TOO painful of a switch, I would like to move  
> the project to a python based CMS.

If a Python based CMS is what you're looking for, then I think Plone  
is your best option. I know little of Plone or it's underlying Zope  
architecture. However, I've had this same query time and again from  
customers myself. Plone does seem to be the fastest development and  
the product that best meets your needs. The problems, however, are  
that you need someone who knows enough about Plone architecture to do  
advise or do technical work. (There are some pretty good books out  
there if you have the time to dedicate to learning Plone yourself).  
Also know there have been some necessary backward-incompatible code  
rewrites that have fragmented the technical user base a little (IMHO).  
But, if you're starting a new project - in a new version - this  
shouldn't be much of an issue.

You know the person who would be able to help you? Donna Snow. She's  
also a BayPIGgie. She's not a Python programmer, but is a Plone  
Skinner. Yet, she's being doing Plone quite a while -- long enough to  
build real relationships with Plone developers. She's a good contact  
to get you started on what you want.

> Is there a decent CMS Django application or should I just go with  
> Plone?

I *believe* (but could well be mistaken) that there's a CMS equivalent  
in the Pylons space. I believe that knowledge came from a technical  
presentation Charles gave a year ago (Buzzwords). But, I could be  
mistaken and Pylons may, or may not, be overkill depending upon your  
customer's needs. As far as I know, there is no decent CMS for Django.  
If you (or anyone reading) find that I'm wrong here, please let me  
know since I get this question a lot myself.

I'm not sure if that's helpful, Stephen, but I hope it was a little.

Warmest Regards,


Glen Jarvis

From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 23:13:40 2009
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:13:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django CMS or Plone ?
In-Reply-To: <DEF1FEA2-0FE8-4E13-9E44-ED10DA63A3AA@glenjarvis.com>
References: <9cc0dd6f0903121434k3dc325c5h54c8aa1154588226@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEF1FEA2-0FE8-4E13-9E44-ED10DA63A3AA@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <baf0d46b0903121513h4802242fm9a31712eef1c62f4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Ah yes, Glen is right. I am not a python programmer but have been using
Plone since 2002.

>From what I hear, Django is much better at tying into a relational database
and if you want something clean and light, Django is it. Lots of fellow
Plonistas also work with Django.

Plone on the other hand comes with everything you need, security,
membership, workflow, cms functions, and the ability to create more
functionality through product creation. Plone is not easy to learn for the
integrator/customizer . Plone is NOT good for social networking type stuff
(unless you somehow connect to another application for the social networking
stuff).At least right now it's not.

Some other up and coming zope type apps:

Try repoze (http://www.repoze.org), it's a wsgi based application using zope
and it does have a Plone "layer" you can add. I'm actually starting to
experiment with repoze as Plone 4 will be very ajaxy (move elements of your
page in the browser without going back to the server) and definitely more
wsgi so you can incorporate other python layers into Zope/Plone (ie you will
be able to add a word press layer or non-zope ecommerce solution to your
zope app - as long as it's a python egg). Zope/Plone has been very "closed"
for a long time but we are moving towards allowing cross-app integration in
the next year or so.

Grok (http://grok.zope.org/) is another good one to try...

and yeah I really need to learn python lol. I've gotten away with not
knowing it for 7 years but it's time to buckle down and learn this because I
anticipate many more years in Open Source for this old lady :-P

Best Regards,
Donna M Snow, Principal
C Squared Enterprises
illuminating your path to Open Source
http://www.csquaredtech.com


On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

>  A friend of mine is starting up a community e-zine.  He is currently using
>> Joomla (PHP based CMS).  Unfortunately he knows nothing of
>> PHP/HTML/JavaScript, etc.  He has come to me multiple times with questions.
>>  I know enough to be helpful, but have zero interest in spending any more
>> time in Joomla.  As I've been sucked into his project as some sort of tech
>> adviser and its still early enough that it wont be TOO painful of a switch,
>> I would like to move the project to a python based CMS.
>>
>
> If a Python based CMS is what you're looking for, then I think Plone is
> your best option. I know little of Plone or it's underlying Zope
> architecture. However, I've had this same query time and again from
> customers myself. Plone does seem to be the fastest development and the
> product that best meets your needs. The problems, however, are that you need
> someone who knows enough about Plone architecture to do advise or do
> technical work. (There are some pretty good books out there if you have the
> time to dedicate to learning Plone yourself). Also know there have been some
> necessary backward-incompatible code rewrites that have fragmented the
> technical user base a little (IMHO). But, if you're starting a new project -
> in a new version - this shouldn't be much of an issue.
>
> You know the person who would be able to help you? Donna Snow. She's also a
> BayPIGgie. She's not a Python programmer, but is a Plone Skinner. Yet, she's
> being doing Plone quite a while -- long enough to build real relationships
> with Plone developers. She's a good contact to get you started on what you
> want.
>
>  Is there a decent CMS Django application or should I just go with Plone?
>>
>
> I *believe* (but could well be mistaken) that there's a CMS equivalent in
> the Pylons space. I believe that knowledge came from a technical
> presentation Charles gave a year ago (Buzzwords). But, I could be mistaken
> and Pylons may, or may not, be overkill depending upon your customer's
> needs. As far as I know, there is no decent CMS for Django. If you (or
> anyone reading) find that I'm wrong here, please let me know since I get
> this question a lot myself.
>
> I'm not sure if that's helpful, Stephen, but I hope it was a little.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
>
> Glen Jarvis
>
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From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 00:40:48 2009
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:40:48 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django CMS or Plone ?
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How many people want to upgrade their Python programming skills?
I've gotten good at tutoring people in short blocks, and can be
persuaded to teach random skills at coffee shops (say 11-2 on
Fridays)?

Charles

> and yeah I really need to learn python lol. I've gotten away with not
> knowing it for 7 years but it's time to buckle down and learn this because I
> anticipate many more years in Open Source for this old lady :-P

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Mar 13 00:51:38 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:51:38 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python tutoring (was Re: Django CMS or Plone?)
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On Thu, Mar 12, 2009, Charles Merriam wrote:
>
> How many people want to upgrade their Python programming skills?  I've
> gotten good at tutoring people in short blocks, and can be persuaded
> to teach random skills at coffee shops (say 11-2 on Fridays)?

Maybe we should make this part of BayPIGgies evenings?  I'm available to
do some of the tutoring while I'm looking for work.  My preference is for
the area from Mountain View through Burlingame.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of     
indirection."  --Butler Lampson

From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 01:10:59 2009
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:10:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python tutoring (was Re: Django CMS or Plone?)
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	<DEF1FEA2-0FE8-4E13-9E44-ED10DA63A3AA@glenjarvis.com>
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Hmm...

Perhaps.  Or maybe a wiki page.   My time availability is odd, as
evenings are harder than days.   I expect others have this.

Charles


On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009, Charles Merriam wrote:
>>
>> How many people want to upgrade their Python programming skills? ?I've
>> gotten good at tutoring people in short blocks, and can be persuaded
>> to teach random skills at coffee shops (say 11-2 on Fridays)?
>
> Maybe we should make this part of BayPIGgies evenings? ?I'm available to
> do some of the tutoring while I'm looking for work. ?My preference is for
> the area from Mountain View through Burlingame.
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) ? ? ? ? ? <*> ? ? ? ? http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of
> indirection." ?--Butler Lampson
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From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:20:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: UG News: New O'Reilly Training: Master Classes in
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From jim at well.com  Fri Mar 13 01:22:45 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:22:45 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django CMS or Plone ?
In-Reply-To: <9cc0dd6f0903121434k3dc325c5h54c8aa1154588226@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9cc0dd6f0903121434k3dc325c5h54c8aa1154588226@mail.gmail.com>
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   django supposedly arose from the needs of a newsroom 
environment, which may be a comfortably fit for a 
community e-zine. from what i've heard, django is easy 
for a python programmer to get live, and it integrates 
well with other apps. 
   i know little of plone other than some sour remarks 
a few different people have made with regard to system 
administration. 



On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 14:34 -0700, Stephen Cattaneo wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>   A friend of mine is starting up a community e-zine.  He is currently
> using Joomla (PHP based CMS).  Unfortunately he knows nothing of
> PHP/HTML/JavaScript, etc.  He has come to me multiple times with
> questions.  I know enough to be helpful, but have zero interest in
> spending any more time in Joomla.  As I've been sucked into his
> project as some sort of tech adviser and its still early enough that
> it wont be TOO painful of a switch, I would like to move the project
> to a python based CMS.
> 
> Is there a decent CMS Django application or should I just go with
> Plone?  Any comments would be appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> S
> 
> -- 
> ---
> Failures are finger posts on the road to achievement. 
> 
> -- C.S. Lewis
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 01:43:47 2009
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:43:47 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django CMS or Plone ?
In-Reply-To: <1236903765.6425.125.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <9cc0dd6f0903121434k3dc325c5h54c8aa1154588226@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236903765.6425.125.camel@jim-laptop>
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All,

Having at least played around with both (including the baypiggies.net site
which is an older version of plone), I'll make the following (somewhat
educated) comments:
1. Plone will give you a lot more of what you need without writing any code,
and if there are plone products which take care of the rest, your time to
usefulness will be much shorter. If you have to write a product (extension)
for plone, it will likely take longer to ramp up how to do it than it would
to do the same with django.  If you've never used a CMS before, you will
need to learn some common CMS workflows ( but since they're using joomla
they should be familiar with these anyway).
2. Django - you can probably get started writing code much quicker, but you
may have to write a lot more code to get what you need.  There may or may
not be django components or packages to accomplish much of what you need.

If I was going to publish an e-zine, likely I'd pick an existing CMS and
build from that. Plone's not a bad one, joomla's probably easier to
understand if you need to build any additional components (at least it was
easier for me to pick up,even though I've not done any PHP).  I have no idea
how the two compare as far as scalabililty,  nor in the breadth of addons
available.

If you're going to go with a CMS, probably worth finding an "expert" who's
time you can pay for from time to time (minimally) to make sure you're not
making bad decisions on "big" issues, like site organization and/or SEO
issues.
(Donna's the local resource for Plone that I know of.)

One mistake I made on baypiggies was to use a blogging product for the book
reviews. This has made it a pain to upgrade to newer version of plone (which
I'll undo when I have more bandwidth)

That's all the advice I got at the moment!

Good luck,
Bill
Founder
Bad Dog Consulting

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:22 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>
>   django supposedly arose from the needs of a newsroom
> environment, which may be a comfortably fit for a
> community e-zine. from what i've heard, django is easy
> for a python programmer to get live, and it integrates
> well with other apps.
>   i know little of plone other than some sour remarks
> a few different people have made with regard to system
> administration.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 14:34 -0700, Stephen Cattaneo wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >   A friend of mine is starting up a community e-zine.  He is currently
> > using Joomla (PHP based CMS).  Unfortunately he knows nothing of
> > PHP/HTML/JavaScript, etc.  He has come to me multiple times with
> > questions.  I know enough to be helpful, but have zero interest in
> > spending any more time in Joomla.  As I've been sucked into his
> > project as some sort of tech adviser and its still early enough that
> > it wont be TOO painful of a switch, I would like to move the project
> > to a python based CMS.
> >
> > Is there a decent CMS Django application or should I just go with
> > Plone?  Any comments would be appreciated.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > S
> >
> > --
> > ---
> > Failures are finger posts on the road to achievement.
> >
> > -- C.S. Lewis
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From jim at well.com  Fri Mar 13 01:47:05 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:47:05 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django CMS or Plone ?
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   where? i.e. how close to sf are you willing 
to go? (doesn't have to be close, just curious 
as to what i'll have to do to participate.) 



On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 16:40 -0700, Charles Merriam wrote:
> How many people want to upgrade their Python programming skills?
> I've gotten good at tutoring people in short blocks, and can be
> persuaded to teach random skills at coffee shops (say 11-2 on
> Fridays)?
> 
> Charles
> 
> > and yeah I really need to learn python lol. I've gotten away with not
> > knowing it for 7 years but it's time to buckle down and learn this because I
> > anticipate many more years in Open Source for this old lady :-P
> _______________________________________________
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From jim at well.com  Fri Mar 13 01:51:36 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:51:36 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python tutoring (was Re: Django CMS or Plone?)
In-Reply-To: <b8c6f6c40903121710v25566a01y839acee9b5cbc3c1@mail.gmail.com>
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   my availability is i'm busy most every evening 
and just about every minute of the weekend and 
i've got nothing to do weekdays from early AM till 
sometime around 5 PM. 
   i've got some python stuff i'd like to do and 
an internet-accessible machine on which the stuff 
lives and a tiny, dwindling bit of money in my 
pocket that i can part with, and a car that seems 
to be drivable to the grand canyon and back (so 
it'll certainly reach "down there" south of sf). 
   motivatedly, 
jim stockford 
415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime 


On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 17:10 -0700, Charles Merriam wrote:
> Hmm...
> 
> Perhaps.  Or maybe a wiki page.   My time availability is odd, as
> evenings are harder than days.   I expect others have this.
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009, Charles Merriam wrote:
> >>
> >> How many people want to upgrade their Python programming skills?  I've
> >> gotten good at tutoring people in short blocks, and can be persuaded
> >> to teach random skills at coffee shops (say 11-2 on Fridays)?
> >
> > Maybe we should make this part of BayPIGgies evenings?  I'm available to
> > do some of the tutoring while I'm looking for work.  My preference is for
> > the area from Mountain View through Burlingame.
> > --
> > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
> >
> > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of
> > indirection."  --Butler Lampson
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
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From bdurbin at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 02:01:52 2009
From: bdurbin at gmail.com (Brent Durbin)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:01:52 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django CMS or Plone ?
In-Reply-To: <8540148a0903121743hf8fd5bbt90f0125c2abefcb6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9cc0dd6f0903121434k3dc325c5h54c8aa1154588226@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236903765.6425.125.camel@jim-laptop>
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> 2. Django - you can probably get started writing code much quicker, but you
> may have to write a lot more code to get what you need.  There may or may
> not be django components or packages to accomplish much of what you need.
>
>
If you want to use Django, then you may want to look into pinax:
http://pinaxproject.com/.  I'm not hip to the word of web frameworks, but
supposedly this is getting close to becoming a competitor to Drupal or
Plone.

Brent
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 06:38:54 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:08:54 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django CMS or Plone ?
In-Reply-To: <cd8dce390903121801o4c0c56f3w17e49d8d115a4e1e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Brent Durbin <bdurbin at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> If you want to use Django, then you may want to look into pinax:
> http://pinaxproject.com/.  I'm not hip to the word of web frameworks, but
> supposedly this is getting close to becoming a competitor to Drupal or
> Plone.
>

Pinax rocks!! It has pre-built library of apps(components) and has a
pluggable arch which enables you to easily develop, customize and deploy
things without pain :)

-V-
http://twitter.com/venkat83
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Mar 13 15:37:03 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:37:03 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] HIPAA, Django and security?
In-Reply-To: <CFA5B224-F730-4C76-B5A0-DB1EB1D807C8@glenjarvis.com>
References: <CFA5B224-F730-4C76-B5A0-DB1EB1D807C8@glenjarvis.com>
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On Thu, Mar 12, 2009, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
> The customer wants to take this software in a more public arena. He has 
> to get HIPAA approval. The data is stored in a MySQL database and the 
> standard Django User Authentication model is used (out of the box with no 
> changes). Since security is a concern for the customer, I wanted to find 
> all information from HIPAA regarding the Django User  
> Authentication/Sessions security model. I expected to see documents that 
> they have approved this model in the past. But, I'm getting caught in all 
> types of minutia and can't seem to find information directly relating to 
> HIPAA's criteria for web security and Django User Authentication.

Based on my minimal past experience about looking into getting a web
application authorized for HIPAA use, I doubt you'll find anything
specific about Django (unless you ask on the Django mailing list about
people's experience with HIPAA).  HIPAA is more about specifying
end-point goals, which you then need to translate yourself (or hire a
HIPAA expert to do for you in the context of your application).

You may find it easier to look at PCI/DSS (the credit card security
standard) as a starting point; there are paid services that will certify
you for PCI/DSS based on a combination of network probing and survey
questions.  HIPAA is stricter, but this should get you moving in the
right direction; if you can't pass PCI/DSS, you certainly can't pass a
HIPAA audit.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of     
indirection."  --Butler Lampson

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Mar 14 00:11:51 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:11:51 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Super Happy Dev House
Message-ID: <CE663024-C615-4B70-932F-3687313EE24C@glenjarvis.com>

Anyone going to Super Happy Dev House in Cupertino on Saturday?

SuperHappyDevHouse
31. March 14, 2009.
21677 Rainbow Drive, Cupertino,CA.
1:59pm-11pm. Yes, it starts at 3/14 1:59...


It's Pi Day (starting on 3 1 4 1 5 9.....  3/14 1:59)

I'm not certain I'm going to go.. I have another event I could go  
on...  Buuttt.. if other BayPIGgies are going... =)

Cheers,


Glen
--
415-680-3964
glen at glenjarvis.com
http://www.glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi

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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Mar 14 00:13:02 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:13:02 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Super Happy Dev House (tomorrow)
In-Reply-To: <CE663024-C615-4B70-932F-3687313EE24C@glenjarvis.com>
References: <CE663024-C615-4B70-932F-3687313EE24C@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <916241E5-CF9D-420E-BBDD-1BC2C9AE0927@glenjarvis.com>

I meant to make this more clear -- it's tomorrow, Saturday...

Cheers,


Glen

On Mar 13, 2009, at 4:11 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:

> Anyone going to Super Happy Dev House in Cupertino on Saturday?
>
> SuperHappyDevHouse
> 31. March 14, 2009.
> 21677 Rainbow Drive, Cupertino,CA.
> 1:59pm-11pm. Yes, it starts at 3/14 1:59...
>
>
> It's Pi Day (starting on 3 1 4 1 5 9.....  3/14 1:59)
>
> I'm not certain I'm going to go.. I have another event I could go  
> on...  Buuttt.. if other BayPIGgies are going... =)
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Glen
> --
> 415-680-3964
> glen at glenjarvis.com
> http://www.glenjarvis.com
>
> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi
>

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From echerlin at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 02:25:38 2009
From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:25:38 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Super Happy Dev House
In-Reply-To: <CE663024-C615-4B70-932F-3687313EE24C@glenjarvis.com>
References: <CE663024-C615-4B70-932F-3687313EE24C@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <e574f6eb0903131825h12a069a1w13544c51713013a9@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> Anyone going to Super Happy Dev House in Cupertino on Saturday?

Great idea. Would anybody like to see what I am doing in Python to
make Turtle Art more suitable for teaching math and Computer Science
ideas to elementary school students? Also in Inkscape. I'm taking the
text off the tiles and substituting icons, so that we can see how much
of Turtle Art works with preliterate children. For the older ones,
Euclidean geometry, analytic geometry, calculus, fractals, a toy
Turing machine (finite tape, finite symbol set), programming in
snap-together trees, not text...

> SuperHappyDevHouse
> 31. March 14, 2009.
> 21677 Rainbow Drive, Cupertino,CA.
> 1:59pm-11pm. Yes, it starts at 3/14 1:59...
>
> It's Pi Day (starting on 3 1 4 1 5 9..... ?3/14 1:59)
> I'm not certain I'm going to go.. I have another event I could go on...

Yes, it's Cabal day, too.

> ?Buuttt.. if other BayPIGgies are going... =)
> Cheers,
>
> Glen
> --
> 415-680-3964
> glen at glenjarvis.com
> http://www.glenjarvis.com
> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>



-- 
Silent Thunder (??/???????????????/????????????? ?) is my name
And Children are my nation.
The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination.
http://earthtreasury.net/ (Edward Mokurai Cherlin)

From jjinux at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 08:32:21 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:32:21 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Super Happy Dev House
In-Reply-To: <CE663024-C615-4B70-932F-3687313EE24C@glenjarvis.com>
References: <CE663024-C615-4B70-932F-3687313EE24C@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90903140032r7fc52797h3ff2b81b05b10969@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> Anyone going to Super Happy Dev House in Cupertino on Saturday?
> SuperHappyDevHouse

I'm hoping to make it.

-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 04:24:05 2009
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:24:05 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Overdue book review list...
Message-ID: <8540148a0903152024v4697dc86jcb654f0ad7de118a@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

I've been keeping track of books which Tony C. has handed out please take  a
look at:
http://baypiggies.net/new/plone/user-group-association-program/BookReviews/SimpleBlogCatSearch?category=overdue

And let me know if you have your review done and/or it got lost in the mail,
or your dog ate it.
If not and you still have the book, please write a review or contact Tony so
he can arrange someone else to review it.

We like to keep the publishers happy by giving them some return on their
generosity.

Thanks,
Bill
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From joe.shapiro at ushow.com  Mon Mar 16 18:02:17 2009
From: joe.shapiro at ushow.com (Joe Shapiro)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:02:17 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Software Engineer with Python/Django Exp for
	Breakthrough Online Video Site
Message-ID: <1F83DA8F-43D8-4A6F-93B0-1BED26BBEEE9@ushow.com>

uShow, Inc. is a privately-held Silicon Valley company developing a  
breakthrough online video software.

Outstanding software engineers with advanced experience in Python /  
Django / Javascript wanted!  Solve challenging engineering problems  
that come with building a highly interactive video website.  Work  
within a small, fast-paced team with veteran engineers.

Responsibilities:
*Design and implement new video and social networking features and  
frameworks
*Innovate and have fun changing the world

Requirements:
*B.S. in Computer Science or a related field
*Advanced knowledge of Python and/or significant exposure to different  
programming languages and paradigms
*Ability to work with minimum supervision to deliver well-designed  
high-quality code on time
*Experience with LAMP stack web application development a plus
*Experience with front-end technologies (HTML/CSS/JavaScript) also a  
plus

If you are interested please email your information to Careers at uShow.com

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Mar 16 18:10:16 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:10:16 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Software Engineer with Python/Django Exp for
	Breakthrough Online Video Site
In-Reply-To: <1F83DA8F-43D8-4A6F-93B0-1BED26BBEEE9@ushow.com>
References: <1F83DA8F-43D8-4A6F-93B0-1BED26BBEEE9@ushow.com>
Message-ID: <537DC796-EC59-4C0E-8042-BD2DCD4A87EE@glenjarvis.com>

Readers,

     Forgive me for not knowing the guidelines exactly, I could be  
wrong. JJ is the one who I remember knows this very well.

     So, although I may be mistaken, isn't a blind recruiter-like-post  
like this to BayPIGgies technically against our posting/mail etiquette  
guidelines?

Cheers,


Glen
--
glen at glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi


On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Joe Shapiro wrote:

> uShow, Inc. is a privately-held Silicon Valley company developing a  
> breakthrough online video software.
>
> Outstanding software engineers with advanced experience in Python /  
> Django / Javascript wanted!  Solve challenging engineering problems  
> that come with building a highly interactive video website.  Work  
> within a small, fast-paced team with veteran engineers.
>
> Responsibilities:
> *Design and implement new video and social networking features and  
> frameworks
> *Innovate and have fun changing the world
>
> Requirements:
> *B.S. in Computer Science or a related field
> *Advanced knowledge of Python and/or significant exposure to  
> different programming languages and paradigms
> *Ability to work with minimum supervision to deliver well-designed  
> high-quality code on time
> *Experience with LAMP stack web application development a plus
> *Experience with front-end technologies (HTML/CSS/JavaScript) also a  
> plus
>
> If you are interested please email your information to Careers at uShow.com
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Mar 16 18:25:33 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:25:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Software Engineer with Python/Django Exp
	for	Breakthrough Online Video Site
In-Reply-To: <537DC796-EC59-4C0E-8042-BD2DCD4A87EE@glenjarvis.com>
References: <1F83DA8F-43D8-4A6F-93B0-1BED26BBEEE9@ushow.com>
	<537DC796-EC59-4C0E-8042-BD2DCD4A87EE@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <20090316172533.GA29403@panix.com>

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
>     Forgive me for not knowing the guidelines exactly, I could be wrong. 
> JJ is the one who I remember knows this very well.
>
>     So, although I may be mistaken, isn't a blind recruiter-like-post  
> like this to BayPIGgies technically against our posting/mail etiquette  
> guidelines?

How so?  He's posting from ushow.com.  For more details, see
http://baypiggies.net/jobs.html
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

Adopt A Process -- stop killing all your children!

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Mar 16 18:29:06 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:29:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Software Engineer with Python/Django Exp
	for	Breakthrough Online Video Site
In-Reply-To: <20090316172533.GA29403@panix.com>
References: <1F83DA8F-43D8-4A6F-93B0-1BED26BBEEE9@ushow.com>
	<537DC796-EC59-4C0E-8042-BD2DCD4A87EE@glenjarvis.com>
	<20090316172533.GA29403@panix.com>
Message-ID: <22E8D850-926B-4B4F-8728-54102D5A7E3D@glenjarvis.com>

> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>
>>    Forgive me for not knowing the guidelines exactly, I could be  
>> wrong.
>> JJ is the one who I remember knows this very well.
>>
>>    So, although I may be mistaken, isn't a blind recruiter-like-post
>> like this to BayPIGgies technically against our posting/mail  
>> etiquette
>> guidelines?
>
> How so?  He's posting from ushow.com.  For more details, see
> http://baypiggies.net/jobs.html


  I *must* be completely mistaken. Please ignore my previous email.

Cheers,


Glen


From eric at ericwalstad.com  Mon Mar 16 18:30:31 2009
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:30:31 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Software Engineer with Python/Django Exp for
	Breakthrough Online Video Site
In-Reply-To: <537DC796-EC59-4C0E-8042-BD2DCD4A87EE@glenjarvis.com>
References: <1F83DA8F-43D8-4A6F-93B0-1BED26BBEEE9@ushow.com>
	<537DC796-EC59-4C0E-8042-BD2DCD4A87EE@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <c436fcd20903161030s56a146aaw2f297c859d919203@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> ? ?So, although I may be mistaken, isn't a blind recruiter-like-post like
> this to BayPIGgies technically against our posting/mail etiquette
> guidelines?

The Baypiggies info page[0] has a link to the job posting
guidelines[1].  Somewhat related: there's also a job listings on the
website[2].
I introduced Joe to the mailing list because it appeared he was not a
recruiter and I thought posting here might benefit one of our
'members'.

Eric
[0] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
[1] http://baypiggies.net/jobs.html
[2] http://baypiggies.net/new/plone/job-listings

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Mar 16 18:32:13 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Software Engineer with Python/Django Exp for
	Breakthrough Online Video Site
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd20903161030s56a146aaw2f297c859d919203@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1F83DA8F-43D8-4A6F-93B0-1BED26BBEEE9@ushow.com>
	<537DC796-EC59-4C0E-8042-BD2DCD4A87EE@glenjarvis.com>
	<c436fcd20903161030s56a146aaw2f297c859d919203@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27DA973C-9B38-4288-B46C-6701006F7FC5@glenjarvis.com>


On Mar 16, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Eric Walstad wrote
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>  
> wrote:
>>    So, although I may be mistaken, isn't a blind recruiter-like- 
>> post like
>> this to BayPIGgies technically against our posting/mail etiquette
>> guidelines?
>
> The Baypiggies info page[0] has a link to the job posting
> guidelines[1].  Somewhat related: there's also a job listings on the
> website[2].
> I introduced Joe to the mailing list because it appeared he was not a
> recruiter and I thought posting here might benefit one of our
> 'members'.
>
> Eric
> [0] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> [1] http://baypiggies.net/jobs.html
> [2] http://baypiggies.net/new/plone/job-listings

I was *completely* mistaken. I'm sorry for the confusion.

This was *my* misunderstanding of the guidelines, not Joe's

Again, apologizes all around.

Cheers,


glen

From emma at lolapps.com  Mon Mar 16 21:05:18 2009
From: emma at lolapps.com (Emma Donovan)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:05:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Seeking Web Developers for LOLapps Media
Message-ID: <008901c9a672$88d4cda0$6900a8c0@Olive>

We're a young and scrappy startup in the social application space.


Here are a few bullets on us, because who doesn't love bullets? 


- We're profitable, which makes us pretty much the opposite of your typical
echo chamber Silicon Valley startups.

- We raised $4m in an A round with Polaris Ventures and value-add angels
including Ron Conway and Ariel Poler.

- We're only 12 people. You can make a MASSIVE impact here.

- Our office is in San Francisco, in the old Yelp space, but we plan to
upgrade our digs soon. We'll still be in SF.

- We have all the typical startup stuff (free food, Rock Band, exposed brick
walls, etc).

- If you like beer, check out our kitchen
<http://www.lolapps.com/office.html> .

Responsibilities

- Work with product management to break down high level goals into tasks and
timelines

- Design and implement large chunks of the product roadmap

- Mentor junior engineers

- Have a point of view on the product and be willing to debate it 


Requirements

- Care more about the company and your group's goals rather than personal
glory

- Desire and ability to quickly learn new languages and technologies

- 2+ years of experience as a software engineer

- Appreciate owning a full spectrum of responsibilities from backend (SQL,
memcache, etc) to frontend (JavaScript, FBML, FBJS)

- Interested in using / learning Python

- Detail-oriented: When someone sends you an email about something it
automagically gets handled with no need for a follow-up

- Interested in working in the social networking space

- Comfortable working in an environment where ideas are thought of,
described, and executed within a span of hours to days 


Desired Qualifications

- Computer science or equivalent degree from a top computer science program

- 1+ year working on a consumer facing web product with a high level of
scale

- Strong product sense

- You write software for fun. You've worked on projects of your own outside
of school or work

- Entrepreneurial

 

 
Emma Donovan
Recruiter
LOLapps Media
direct 707 824 8111
cell 415 203 0015
emma at lolapps.com
 
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From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 07:09:59 2009
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:09:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Silent data corruption paper...
Message-ID: <b8c6f6c40903162309r6174de09ife4607a71dccfb79@mail.gmail.com>

I owed this to someone at the last meeting:
http://fuji.web.cern.ch/fuji/talk/2007/kelemen-2007-C5-Silent_Corruptions.pdf

Highlights:   Desktop disks get a random silent corruption 10x more
than enterprise hard drives.  Everyone gets them occasionally.  Figure
a bit gets switched every couple of months in a data center, even with
all the backups, checksums, etc.

Charles

From tony at tcapp.com  Tue Mar 17 07:29:32 2009
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:29:32 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Silent data corruption paper...
In-Reply-To: <b8c6f6c40903162309r6174de09ife4607a71dccfb79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8c6f6c40903162309r6174de09ife4607a71dccfb79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0903162329k4c8bc9c7h39cc4da33ceaf3e5@mail.gmail.com>

That was me-
Thanks, I had forgotten.
This should get heds turning tomorrow at work.
(a storage company)

On 3/16/09, Charles Merriam <charles.merriam at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I owed this to someone at the last meeting:
>
> http://fuji.web.cern.ch/fuji/talk/2007/kelemen-2007-C5-Silent_Corruptions.pdf
>
> Highlights:   Desktop disks get a random silent corruption 10x more
> than enterprise hard drives.  Everyone gets them occasionally.  Figure
> a bit gets switched every couple of months in a data center, even with
> all the backups, checksums, etc.
>
> Charles
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 07:59:14 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:59:14 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Silent data corruption paper...
In-Reply-To: <b8c6f6c40903162309r6174de09ife4607a71dccfb79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8c6f6c40903162309r6174de09ife4607a71dccfb79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90903162359s535968a9jfc2c0c44800fb17d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Charles Merriam
<charles.merriam at gmail.com> wrote:
> I owed this to someone at the last meeting:
> http://fuji.web.cern.ch/fuji/talk/2007/kelemen-2007-C5-Silent_Corruptions.pdf
>
> Highlights: ? Desktop disks get a random silent corruption 10x more
> than enterprise hard drives. ?Everyone gets them occasionally. ?Figure
> a bit gets switched every couple of months in a data center, even with
> all the backups, checksums, etc.

I remember hearing that Google operated at such a large scale that
these sorts of things tended to catch up with them.  Their approach
was to use more redundancy.

I'm regurgitating things I've heard.

-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From drewp at bigasterisk.com  Tue Mar 17 08:21:19 2009
From: drewp at bigasterisk.com (Drew Perttula)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:21:19 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Silent data corruption paper...
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90903162359s535968a9jfc2c0c44800fb17d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8c6f6c40903162309r6174de09ife4607a71dccfb79@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90903162359s535968a9jfc2c0c44800fb17d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49BF4F6F.9000407@bigasterisk.com>

Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> I remember hearing that Google operated at such a large scale that
> these sorts of things tended to catch up with them.  Their approach
> was to use more redundancy.

"""we were able to sort 1TB ... on 1,000 computers in 68 seconds.
...
Where do you put 1PB of sorted data? We were writing it to 48,000 hard 
drives (we did not use the full capacity of these disks, though), and 
every time we ran our sort, at least one of our disks managed to break 
(this is not surprising at all given the duration of the test, the 
number of disks involved, and the expected lifetime of hard disks). To 
make sure we kept our sorted petabyte safe, we asked the Google File 
System to write three copies of each file to three different disks."""

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/sorting-1pb-with-mapreduce.html
and more commentary at
http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/12/12/wanted-hard-drive-boys-for-our-new-ginormous-data-center/

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 17 09:22:33 2009
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:22:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Silent data corruption paper...
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90903162359s535968a9jfc2c0c44800fb17d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8c6f6c40903162309r6174de09ife4607a71dccfb79@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90903162359s535968a9jfc2c0c44800fb17d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W28BCD92BC455CA82B3D2B7A0980@phx.gbl>



On a sidebar you see the same concept in processors for use in satellites or 
other rad-hard application, anywhere where alpha particles are likely to
flip a register in the hardware.
The common design technique is Triple-Mode Redundancy (TMR) i.e.
replicating the circuit three times, rule-of-three-voting etc.
(Read the legal disclaimers on what applications Xilinx FPGA chips
(which use CMOS memory for configuration) cannot be certified for if you
want a good laugh... that's why those applications use antifuse instead)

As for memory in enterprise computing, you always use ECC protection on it.

Another amusing story from hardware certification was that in occasional cases
the actual semiconductor package of a chip (such as packages containing lead)
contained trace heavy metals which themselves produced a non-negligible level
of alpha-particle radiation (possibly higher than background radiation, due to 
proximity), and that was hard to certify. (But sometimes you're stuck with
using lead for its superior thermal conductivity)

Stephen

> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:59:14 -0700
> From: jjinux at gmail.com
> To: charles.merriam at gmail.com
> CC: Baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Silent data corruption paper...
> 
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Charles Merriam
> <charles.merriam at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I owed this to someone at the last meeting:
> > http://fuji.web.cern.ch/fuji/talk/2007/kelemen-2007-C5-Silent_Corruptions.pdf
> >
> > Highlights:   Desktop disks get a random silent corruption 10x more
> > than enterprise hard drives.  Everyone gets them occasionally.  Figure
> > a bit gets switched every couple of months in a data center, even with
> > all the backups, checksums, etc.
> 
> I remember hearing that Google operated at such a large scale that
> these sorts of things tended to catch up with them.  Their approach
> was to use more redundancy.
> 
> I'm regurgitating things I've heard.
> 
> -jj

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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Mar 17 15:12:13 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:12:13 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Silent data corruption paper...
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W28BCD92BC455CA82B3D2B7A0980@phx.gbl>
References: <b8c6f6c40903162309r6174de09ife4607a71dccfb79@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2009, Stephen McInerney wrote:
>
> (But sometimes you're stuck with using lead for its superior thermal
> conductivity)

Less and less often these days; apparently it's now almost impossible to
purchase solder with lead in it.
-- 
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"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-3-1

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 17 18:09:21 2009
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:09:21 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Silent data corruption paper...
In-Reply-To: <20090317141213.GA1460@panix.com>
References: <b8c6f6c40903162309r6174de09ife4607a71dccfb79@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90903162359s535968a9jfc2c0c44800fb17d@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY111-W28BCD92BC455CA82B3D2B7A0980@phx.gbl> 
	<20090317141213.GA1460@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W21C5496BAA2E355E4C00EAA0980@phx.gbl>


On an extreme sidebar: lead has been eliminated from solder due to

the RoHS initiatives, but packaging is still lagging. You can't always have

mongo heatsinks on boards.


 
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:12:13 -0700
> From: aahz at pythoncraft.com
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Silent data corruption paper...
> 
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009, Stephen McInerney wrote:
> >
> > (But sometimes you're stuck with using lead for its superior thermal
> > conductivity)
> 
> Less and less often these days; apparently it's now almost impossible to
> purchase solder with lead in it.
> -- 
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
> 
> "Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
> about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
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From jeff at drinktomi.com  Wed Mar 18 00:00:53 2009
From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:00:53 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Authkit, OpenID, Click Pass,
	and local accounts... aka AuthMess
Message-ID: <CBC5F2EC-329E-48AF-9168-3F750B17C4D4@drinktomi.com>

I'm in the process of putting together an authentication system for an  
application
based on the most recent stable version of CherryPy.   My feeling is  
that AuthKit
is the way to go for authentication and authorization, but I'm not  
sure how integrating
it with CherryPy will go.  (If you have any suggests or alternatives  
then I'd love
to hear about them.)

That said, the real questions I have relate to authentication  
options.  For most
of the public facing users we'd like to use OpenID.  Each OpenID  
instance will
be linked to local account.   When a user connects for the first time  
we'll need
to do some sort automagic account creation.  (Any suggestions or  
caveats about
this aspect are appreciated.)

I'm intensely wary of using OpenID for the only authentication  
mechanism, because
external authentication systems have a way of failing when  
administrators most
need them.  Because of this admin accounts will also be able to log in  
through
normal password mechanisms.

In addition, it seems that OpenID is a little unfriendly.  Opaque URLs  
are scary,
so the login screens will use something along the lines of "use your  
google/msn/
yahoo account to connect to our system," to which the user selects  
one. Now
it seems to me that this part of the system could be rather painful to  
implement.

To that end I've started looking at Click Pass.  I don't have a good  
feeling for
how it would integrate with AuthKit, or the wisdom of going through  
their
service for authorization.  Given OpenID's nature it seems like, this  
shouldn't
really be a problem, but I just don't have a intuition on this one.   
I'd also love
to hear any stories about using their service rather than rolling your  
own.

- Jeff Younker - jeff at drinktomi.com -




From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Mar 18 01:22:13 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:22:13 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Authkit, OpenID, Click Pass,
	and local	accounts... aka AuthMess
In-Reply-To: <CBC5F2EC-329E-48AF-9168-3F750B17C4D4@drinktomi.com>
References: <CBC5F2EC-329E-48AF-9168-3F750B17C4D4@drinktomi.com>
Message-ID: <20090318002213.GA26820@panix.com>

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009, Jeff Younker wrote:
>
> I'm intensely wary of using OpenID for the only authentication
> mechanism, because external authentication systems have a way
> of failing when administrators most need them.  Because of this
> admin accounts will also be able to log in through normal password
> mechanisms.

You could run your own OpenID server -- I haven't tried this myself, but
have heard this advice from other people.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-3-1

From drewp at bigasterisk.com  Wed Mar 18 06:22:52 2009
From: drewp at bigasterisk.com (Drew Perttula)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:22:52 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Authkit, OpenID, Click Pass,
 and local accounts... aka AuthMess
In-Reply-To: <CBC5F2EC-329E-48AF-9168-3F750B17C4D4@drinktomi.com>
References: <CBC5F2EC-329E-48AF-9168-3F750B17C4D4@drinktomi.com>
Message-ID: <49C0852C.70604@bigasterisk.com>

Jeff Younker wrote:
> In addition, it seems that OpenID is a little unfriendly.  Opaque URLs 
> are scary,
> so the login screens will use something along the lines of "use your 
> google/msn/
> yahoo account to connect to our system," to which the user selects one. Now
> it seems to me that this part of the system could be rather painful to 
> implement.

Another way out of this problem is EAUT (http://eaut.org). The user 
gives you his email address, you go look up whether there's an OpenID 
associated with it, and if there isn't (most common), you use an EAUT 
service to make a new association to a new openid. Then you get the user 
to signup with the openid and the rest is as usual.

This means that, at first, most of your users will enter their email 
address, be forced to make a password, and then in the future they login 
with that email and password. In other words, it's not much worse than 
the standard sites they use today. It's "openid with your email address 
instead of a new id".

But over time, other sites will perform the same Email Address to URL 
Translation and recognize the user's email+password right away. Some 
email providers might become openid providers themselves, so those users 
won't have to make a new password (they just have to be logged into 
their email website). And advanced users can use their own openids from 
day 1, so it's not like you locked anyone into tying their accounts 
together.


From jared at wordzoo.com  Wed Mar 18 13:07:15 2009
From: jared at wordzoo.com (Jared Rhine)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:07:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: UG News: New O'Reilly Training: Master
 Classes in San Francisco
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0903121720m557d7142v1d9518e5791705d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <LYRIS-10235196-63396-2009.03.12-14.29.19--tony#tcapp.com@newsletter.oreilly.com>
	<8249c4ac0903121720m557d7142v1d9518e5791705d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C0E3F3.9010708@wordzoo.com>

On 03/12/2009 05:20 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:
> O'Reilly Master Class: Douglas Crockford, March 30, 2009,
> San Francisco, CA
> JavaScript: The Good Parts

Does anyone from this list feel like attending the Crockford Javascript 
class?  If there are 3 people, plus the discount code, that's $337.50 
per person.  I think I'm in for that.  If there's even one other person 
from here, we might be able to dig up a third from any number of lists.

Thought I should ask.

-- Jared

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 15:39:43 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:09:43 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: UG News: New O'Reilly Training: Master
	Classes in San Francisco
In-Reply-To: <49C0E3F3.9010708@wordzoo.com>
References: <LYRIS-10235196-63396-2009.03.12-14.29.19--tony#tcapp.com@newsletter.oreilly.com>
	<8249c4ac0903121720m557d7142v1d9518e5791705d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<49C0E3F3.9010708@wordzoo.com>
Message-ID: <a3b05e8b0903180739g27611f5dka67af3c899666c61@mail.gmail.com>

OTOH, do these guys share the presentations on public domain?

-V-
http://twitter.com/venkasub
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Wed Mar 18 16:12:17 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:12:17 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: UG News: New O'Reilly Training: Master
	Classes in San Francisco
In-Reply-To: <a3b05e8b0903180739g27611f5dka67af3c899666c61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <LYRIS-10235196-63396-2009.03.12-14.29.19--tony#tcapp.com@newsletter.oreilly.com>
	<8249c4ac0903121720m557d7142v1d9518e5791705d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<49C0E3F3.9010708@wordzoo.com>
	<a3b05e8b0903180739g27611f5dka67af3c899666c61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548BA89F-4C8D-4B8E-A3E3-27F547A93D3E@glenjarvis.com>

> OTOH, do these guys share the presentations on public domain?


Several full length courses for Douglas Crockford are online. For  
example, here is a particular video series:

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/630959/2974197

It's not the one that I subscribed to in iTunes, so there are  
definitely several. The one I have is a four-part video series of the  
course. And, its *incredibly* helpful. The book "JavaScript: The Good  
Parts" is also *awesome*!

I still would *love* to see him in person. I just can't afford it  
right now. But, that's been a common theme for me since this past  
April. I wanted to attend classes from speakers from this group --  
like, for example, the classes Wesley teaches. But, I hadn't been able  
to for the same reason.

Would anyone be interested in getting together, watching the Crockford  
videos, and then collaborating/challenging each other to practice what  
we learned? This would, ideally, be after March so those who did  
attend the Crockford class in person can also share knowledge with the  
rest of the group. It's just an idea to kick around.

Cheers,


Glen



From hjtoi at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 18:52:29 2009
From: hjtoi at comcast.net (Heikki Toivonen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:52:29 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Authkit, OpenID, Click Pass,
 and local accounts... aka AuthMess
In-Reply-To: <CBC5F2EC-329E-48AF-9168-3F750B17C4D4@drinktomi.com>
References: <CBC5F2EC-329E-48AF-9168-3F750B17C4D4@drinktomi.com>
Message-ID: <49C134DD.5070105@comcast.net>

Jeff Younker wrote:
> I'm in the process of putting together an authentication system for an
> application
> based on the most recent stable version of CherryPy.   My feeling is
> that AuthKit
> is the way to go for authentication and authorization, but I'm not sure

repoze.who and repoze.what were recommended on #pylons recently for
Pylons projects over AuthKit. I haven't personally used repoze.* stuff
myself, so I am unable to comment on them.

http://static.repoze.org/whodocs/
http://static.repoze.org/whatdocs/

-- 
  Heikki Toivonen - http://heikkitoivonen.net

From slander at unworkable.org  Wed Mar 18 18:48:18 2009
From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:48:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyGameSF meetup Tuesday March 24th 10th 6pm @ Main San
	Francisco	Public Library
Message-ID: <20090318174818.GA1463@unworkable.org>

Hi All,
This months PyGameSF meet up is at the STONG conference room on the
first floor of the main San Francisco public library beside civic
center BART. The library closes at 8pm so we will be reconviening to
frjtz on hayes street for dinner/drinks afterwords.  This month.s
presentations are:

    - Casey Duncan:  Going Low-level, A peek under the hood at the C 
     implementation of the Lepton particle engine as an example of how to
     develop for Python in C for ultimate performance. We.ll take a peek at
     Lepton itself and take a crack at extending it with C.

    - Harry Tormey:  Fast prototyping Word games with python and
      pyglet. An introduction to working with pyglet, the cross-platform
      windowing and multimedia library. This talk will cover how to
      structure a game with pyglet, how it differs from working with pygame,
      best practices for using the pyglet event loop, working with OpenGL
      vertex arrays to manipulate text and general tips on how not to go
      insane if you are an OpenGL newbie.


PyGame SF is an informal group meet up in San Francisco for Software
engineers interested in python, OpenGL, audio, pygame, SDL,
programming and generally anything to do with multimedia development.
The format of our meetings typically involve several people giving
presentations on projects they are developing followed by group 
discussion and feedback.

If anyone else would like to give a micro presentation, show demos or
just talk about what they are doing or generally give examples of any
relevant software they are working on please feel free to head along.

To subscribe to the pygamesf mailing list simply email
pygame-sf+subscribe at unworkable.org

-- 
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P2P Research
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Blog
http://harrytormey.com

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Mar 19 00:29:39 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:29:39 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Remove job listings?
Message-ID: <20090318232939.GA27373@panix.com>

How do you delete an expired job listing from
http://baypiggies.net/new/plone/job-listings
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-3-1

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Mar 19 00:33:53 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:33:53 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
Message-ID: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>

Are we having a meeting on 3/26 at Symantec?  Who's speaking?  I can
probably do a Newbie Nugget, anyone want to suggest one?
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-3-1

From wescpy at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 00:43:58 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:43:58 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
In-Reply-To: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
References: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580903181643r382f7010ndd4caeffa58347da@mail.gmail.com>

> Are we having a meeting on 3/26 at Symantec? ?Who's speaking? ?I can
> probably do a Newbie Nugget, anyone want to suggest one?


didn't JJ suggest an PyCon UNconference meeting to lament not being in
chicago?!? ;-)

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 19 00:44:32 2009
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:44:32 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Remove job listings?
In-Reply-To: <20090318232939.GA27373@panix.com>
References: <20090318232939.GA27373@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W3438C9E61BDFC61C5CB68FA0990@phx.gbl>


I don't know but is it possible to have them add most-recent-at-top?

 > How do you delete an expired job listing from
> http://baypiggies.net/new/plone/job-listings


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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Mar 19 00:45:18 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:45:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580903181643r382f7010ndd4caeffa58347da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580903181643r382f7010ndd4caeffa58347da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090318234518.GA24429@panix.com>

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009, wesley chun wrote:
>Aahz:
>>
>> Are we having a meeting on 3/26 at Symantec?  Who's speaking?  I can
>> probably do a Newbie Nugget, anyone want to suggest one?
> 
> didn't JJ suggest an PyCon UNconference meeting to lament not being in
> chicago?!? ;-)

That was for Saturday 3/28.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-3-1

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Mar 19 00:48:48 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:48:48 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
In-Reply-To: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
References: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
Message-ID: <AA4C074C-7A6F-4A86-9AD2-079B9F1F0338@glenjarvis.com>

> Are we having a meeting on 3/26 at Symantec?  Who's speaking?  I can
> probably do a Newbie Nugget, anyone want to suggest one?


Although I could be mistaken (see my previous email recently where I  
was flat out wrong), I believe this is currently the tentative plan...  
I don't know how solid this plan is at this stage:

March 26: Tools Night, coordinated by Simeon Franklin

April 23: Alternatives for Writing C and C++ Extensions
for Computer Vision Research, by Dameon Eads


I also believe all meetings will be at Symantec until further notice.

Cheer,


Glen
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 01:19:51 2009
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:19:51 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Remove job listings?
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W3438C9E61BDFC61C5CB68FA0990@phx.gbl>
References: <20090318232939.GA27373@panix.com>
	<BAY111-W3438C9E61BDFC61C5CB68FA0990@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8540148a0903181719q582c9b2dg7215ed38f300bfe4@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I'll purge them.
No it's not possible with the current system to put most-recent-at-top.

-Bill

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Stephen McInerney
<spmcinerney at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  I don't know but is it possible to have them add most-recent-at-top?
>
> > How do you delete an expired job listing from
> > http://baypiggies.net/new/plone/job-listings
>
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 01:20:29 2009
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:20:29 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
In-Reply-To: <AA4C074C-7A6F-4A86-9AD2-079B9F1F0338@glenjarvis.com>
References: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
	<AA4C074C-7A6F-4A86-9AD2-079B9F1F0338@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <8540148a0903181720r5eb30d30ta0a42b8ed8073c15@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be posting meeting info on the website and send out a link to it later
tonight.
-Bill

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> Are we having a meeting on 3/26 at Symantec?  Who's speaking?  I can
>> probably do a Newbie Nugget, anyone want to suggest one?
>>
>
>
> Although I could be mistaken (see my previous email recently where I was
> flat out wrong), I believe this is currently the tentative plan... I don't
> know how solid this plan is at this stage:
>
> March 26: Tools Night, coordinated by Simeon Franklin
>
> April 23: Alternatives for Writing C and C++ Extensions
> for Computer Vision Research, by Dameon Eads
>
>
> I also believe all meetings will be at Symantec until further notice.
>
> Cheer,
>
>
> Glen
> --
> 415-680-3964
> glen at glenjarvis.com
>
> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi
>
>
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 06:34:43 2009
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:34:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Video's from Baypiggies meetings
Message-ID: <8540148a0903182234h5dd17942if159fd7077fb2f57@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

If the group collectively will find links to all the video'd meetings,
I'll put a page together on baypiggies to link to them.

-Bill

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Mar 19 06:35:00 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:35:00 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] ReactOS: A true-to-life OpenSource version of Windows
	(not Linux)
Message-ID: <81AE15EE-D527-4832-89F1-5B474D5C8923@glenjarvis.com>

I have just heard about ReactOS. It's a true to life Open Source  
version of Windows (not a Windows emulator). I just installed it and  
it's surprisingly good for an Alpha version:

http://www.reactos.org/

I loved the very small download and very quick install. Then, to  
download packages (like FIrefox, etc.), I started the Download  
application -- That's a very seamless and very quick install!

I see Development section of packages to download only has FreeBasic  
as a language. I was curious if anyone we know is already working on a  
Python port to ReactOS?

I tried to install the standard Windows version of Python, but the  
*msi file wouldn't execute (obviously ReactOS issue). I tried to  
download gcc so I could try to build Python. But, the self-extracting  
executable caused a memory exception. Here's where the Alpha side of  
the product started showing itself. I don't think it'll be long,  
however, before it will be easy to port Python to the platform.

I know several people who would be very excited for the flexibility of  
a very well adopted OS that also has the freedom of truly OpenSource.


Cheers,


Glen
--
415-680-3964
glen at glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi

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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Mar 19 06:39:09 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:39:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Video's from Baypiggies meetings
In-Reply-To: <8540148a0903182234h5dd17942if159fd7077fb2f57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a0903182234h5dd17942if159fd7077fb2f57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B90641FF-C5F8-4985-84B7-B32C68ACF362@glenjarvis.com>

> If the group collectively will find links to all the video'd meetings,
> I'll put a page together on baypiggies to link to them.

Great!  Here's where I left off on my last attempt. I didn't know at  
the time, however, that Google Video was not moved to youtube. So,  
there's Google Video out there for many of the missing below. Also, I  
have two more videos that I've manually created for Jan and Feb of  
this year:



October 2005:
Alex Martelli: Python's Object Model;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOzvpHoYQoo

January 2006:
Stephen McInerney;
Member Survey Results;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCJsNiZNs8E

February 2006:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown


March 2006:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown


April 2006:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown


May 2006:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown

June 2006:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown

July 2006:
Marylin Davis, Keith Dart, Mark Ivey and Mike Cheponis: Some Python  
Integrated Development Environments;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6pdG1oWFX4

August 2006:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown

September 2006:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown


October 2006:
Alex Martelli;
Better, faster, smarter: Python better, faster, smarter;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A--VsTrwoMA


November 2006:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown


December 2006:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown


January 2007:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown


February 2007:
Drew Perttula & Dennis Reinhardt; Three Generations of User Interface;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ44E6O09j4

March 2007:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown

April 2007:
Various Members: Snippets;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6wRBwBxVyw

May 2007:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown

June 2007:
Meeting info unknown
Video unknown

July 2007:
Stephen Bird(spelling), Euwin Klein(spelling), Edward Loper (spelling);
The Natural Language Toolkit;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keXW_5-llD0

August 2007:
Alex Martelli: Python for Programmers (Beginner's Night)(Newbies'  
Night Part Deux);
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7V89K8QfgQ
[Wrong video linked from baypiggies site??]


September 2007:
Mike Pittaro Developing a Product in Python;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsEy6HzXoCo

October 2007:
(Windmill?) Mikeal and Adam? or concurrency
I'm not certain which month this was in

November 2007:
(Windmill?) Mikeal and Adam? or concurrency
I'm not certain which month this was in

December 2007:
Charles Merriam: Overview of about Twenty Python Buzzwords;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWuLftbyrOY
http://charlesmerriam.com/talk/


January 2008:
Aaron Maxwell, Ed Cherlin, Charles Merriam;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPabiIHgmBU


February 2008:
Guido van Rossum; Python 3.0 PyCon Keynote preview;
Video missing from 2008-02-21 (Kiev room)


March 2008:
Drew Perttula and Shannon JJ Behrens; Adventures at PyCon 2008;
Video Missing from 2008-03-20

April 2008:
PyCon reports
Ed Cherlin and Daryl Spitzer on PyCon 2008
Video missing from 2008-04-10

May 2008:
Christian Tismer; Stackless Python;
Video not missing

June 2008:
Alex Martelli: Python Callbacks;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzQ00f1oETs
http://www.aleax.it/bayp_cback.pdf


July 2008:
Niall O'Higgins; P2P/BitTorrent data mining with Python and C;
Video missing from 2008-July 10

August 2008:
Steven Knight; Scons;
Video missing from 2008-08-14; Seville Room

September 2008:
(Email list needs researched/reviewed)

October 2008:
(Email list needs researched/reviewed)

November 2008:
(Email list needs researched/reviewed)

December 2008:
(Email list needs researched/reviewed)






=-=-=- Related Videos/Topics -=-=-=-

Google I/O 2008 (May)
Guido van Rossum: Python, Django, and App Engine

Alex Martelli: Painless Python Part 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDgD9whDfEY

Alex Martelli: Painless Python Part 2 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7vwZ20SDzc

Google Developer Day 2007:
Alex Martelli: Python Design Patterns

DjangoCon 2008:
Guido Van Rossum: Keynote Django & App Engine

Pycon 2008:
Alex Martelli: Don't call us, we'll call you: Callback patterns and  
idioms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCZRJStwkKM


Cheers,


Glen
--
415-680-3964
glen at glenjarvis.com
http://www.glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi

O

From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 06:32:12 2009
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:32:12 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Remove job listings?
In-Reply-To: <8540148a0903181719q582c9b2dg7215ed38f300bfe4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090318232939.GA27373@panix.com>
	<BAY111-W3438C9E61BDFC61C5CB68FA0990@phx.gbl>
	<8540148a0903181719q582c9b2dg7215ed38f300bfe4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8540148a0903182232m723c9a6cwd69b284374ce949@mail.gmail.com>

Done,

Jobs > 1month old have been purged.

-Bill

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:19 PM, William Deegan <bdbaddog at gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I'll purge them.
> No it's not possible with the current system to put most-recent-at-top.
>
> -Bill
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Stephen McInerney <spmcinerney at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I don't know but is it possible to have them add most-recent-at-top?
>>
>> > How do you delete an expired job listing from
>> > http://baypiggies.net/new/plone/job-listings
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Windows Live? Contacts: Organize your contact list. Check it out.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>

From jim at well.com  Thu Mar 19 17:10:11 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:10:11 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
In-Reply-To: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
References: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
Message-ID: <1237479011.6434.153.camel@jim-laptop>



   yes, bayPIGgies meets at Symantec's Vcafe on 
350 Ellis in Mountain View on march 26 at 7:30 
PM. the topic is Tools for Python Programmers 
and will feature four speakers. 
   Simeon Franklin has put this together. He'll 
know if there's room for a newbie nugget. 
   if not for this meeting, how about presenting 
a newbie nugget at another meeting? 
jim 



On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:33 -0700, Aahz wrote:
> Are we having a meeting on 3/26 at Symantec?  Who's speaking?  I can
> probably do a Newbie Nugget, anyone want to suggest one?


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Mar 19 17:23:47 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:23:47 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1237479011.6434.153.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
	<1237479011.6434.153.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <20090319162347.GA27753@panix.com>

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009, jim wrote:
>
> if not for this meeting, how about presenting a newbie nugget at      
> another meeting?                                                      

Sure, I just need a few days' notice (or maybe a bit more depending on
the subject).
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-3-1

From p at ulmcnett.com  Thu Mar 19 22:39:37 2009
From: p at ulmcnett.com (Paul McNett)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:39:37 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] How to tell if sys.excepthook has already been
	overridden?
Message-ID: <49C2BB99.5030704@ulmcnett.com>

Hi,

Is there a general way to tell if sys.excepthook has been overridden already or not? 
I want to override it in my library, but only if it hasn't already been overridden by 
some other library or end-application code.

I notice these differences on Python 2.5.4 Mac versus Ubuntu:

Ubuntu:
 >>> print sys.excepthook.__module__
'apport_python_hook'

Mac:
 >>> print sys.excepthook.__module__
'sys'

Paul

From alchaiken at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 14:03:16 2009
From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:03:16 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] dinner before meeting Thurs night?
Message-ID: <cd7dd44d0903200603h5c8c75c8ue5b317d6a466c6d1@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone want to meet up for dinner on Castro Street in MV before Toolz
Nite on Thursday?      I eat anything but pizza, but to get the ball
rolling, how about Chef Liu at 6:15?

-- 
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600  (cell)  		                                	
    http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/
The Human Genome is smaller than Microsoft Office.   -- Steve Jurvetson

From simeonf at gmail.com  Fri Mar 20 16:24:28 2009
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:24:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1237479011.6434.153.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
	<1237479011.6434.153.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <e58a4bea0903200824j2130543bwa42e1a8ac568500@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure we could fit in a newbie nugget. It would be nice (though not
necessary) if it fit in with the overall Tools theme - two that occur to me
would be a quick run through of IPython's features (%macro, %edit, %run and
the wonderfulness of "?" and "??")  or a simple distutils howto (adding a
setup.py to a simple project and publishing to pypy for example).

-Simeon

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:10 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>
>   yes, bayPIGgies meets at Symantec's Vcafe on
> 350 Ellis in Mountain View on march 26 at 7:30
> PM. the topic is Tools for Python Programmers
> and will feature four speakers.
>   Simeon Franklin has put this together. He'll
> know if there's room for a newbie nugget.
>   if not for this meeting, how about presenting
> a newbie nugget at another meeting?
> jim
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:33 -0700, Aahz wrote:
> > Are we having a meeting on 3/26 at Symantec?  Who's speaking?  I can
> > probably do a Newbie Nugget, anyone want to suggest one?
>
>
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From jim at well.com  Fri Mar 20 16:49:36 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:49:36 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
In-Reply-To: <e58a4bea0903200824j2130543bwa42e1a8ac568500@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
	<1237479011.6434.153.camel@jim-laptop>
	<e58a4bea0903200824j2130543bwa42e1a8ac568500@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1237564176.6434.344.camel@jim-laptop>


aahz, if you respond positively today, i can 
include your newbie nugget in the broadcast 
to various groups. 
jim 


On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 08:24 -0700, Simeon Franklin wrote:
> I'm sure we could fit in a newbie nugget. It would be nice (though not
> necessary) if it fit in with the overall Tools theme - two that occur
> to me would be a quick run through of IPython's features (%macro, %
> edit, %run and the wonderfulness of "?" and "??")  or a simple
> distutils howto (adding a setup.py to a simple project and publishing
> to pypy for example).
> 
> -Simeon
> 
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:10 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>         
>         
>           yes, bayPIGgies meets at Symantec's Vcafe on
>         350 Ellis in Mountain View on march 26 at 7:30
>         PM. the topic is Tools for Python Programmers
>         and will feature four speakers.
>           Simeon Franklin has put this together. He'll
>         know if there's room for a newbie nugget.
>           if not for this meeting, how about presenting
>         a newbie nugget at another meeting?
>         jim
>         
>         
>         
>         On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 16:33 -0700, Aahz wrote:
>         > Are we having a meeting on 3/26 at Symantec?  Who's
>         speaking?  I can
>         > probably do a Newbie Nugget, anyone want to suggest one?
>         
> 


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Mar 20 16:59:03 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1237564176.6434.344.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
	<1237479011.6434.153.camel@jim-laptop>
	<e58a4bea0903200824j2130543bwa42e1a8ac568500@mail.gmail.com>
	<1237564176.6434.344.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <20090320155903.GA21141@panix.com>

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009, jim wrote:
> 
> aahz, if you respond positively today, i can include your newbie      
> nugget in the broadcast to various groups.                            

I'm about to leave for the weekend; although I'll have Net access, I
won't have time to think about it until next week.  (Both of the
proposed ideas are ones that I'd need to experiment with before
presenting, so if someone else wants to do them, go ahead.)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-3-1

From tony at tcapp.com  Fri Mar 20 18:08:19 2009
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:08:19 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] March meeting?
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580903181643r382f7010ndd4caeffa58347da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090318233353.GA9819@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580903181643r382f7010ndd4caeffa58347da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0903201008q5b485026i9a0fd1d62ad47cfc@mail.gmail.com>

He did- I'm still waiting to hear back from Symantec if they will let us use
their building on Saturday

On 3/18/09, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Are we having a meeting on 3/26 at Symantec?  Who's speaking?  I can
> > probably do a Newbie Nugget, anyone want to suggest one?
>
>
>
> didn't JJ suggest an PyCon UNconference meeting to lament not being in
> chicago?!? ;-)
>
> _______________________________________________
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From amax at redsymbol.net  Tue Mar 24 09:22:54 2009
From: amax at redsymbol.net (Aaron Maxwell)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:22:54 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] draft of pycon talk
Message-ID: <200903240122.54514.amax@redsymbol.net>

Hi all,

I'm presenting at Pycon this year, about "Building an Automated QA
Infrastructure using Open-Source Python Tools": 
http://us.pycon.org/2009/conference/schedule/event/22/

If anyone has some spare cycles and would like to help me with some
feedback, I have a draft which I would sincerely appreciate comments
on:

http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.odp
http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.ppt
http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.mp3

That last link is a recording I made of myself going through it.  It
is about 33 minutes; you can just glance through the slides instead if
that's too long.  I pretty obviously tripped over my tongue a few
places, which I'll hopefully manage to correct by the time I give the
talk, so please focus on the more general content.  In particular, if
there is something that I don't explain that should be explained, or I
use jargon without defining it, etc., please point that out.  If
anything important is missing, or if I put something in there for some
reason actually shouldn't be there, that is what I would like to know
about.

I can say right now that I repeated myself several times and talked too
long on some minor points.  So I'll practice to improve those things.

Thanks,
Aaron

-- 
Aaron Maxwell
http://redsymbol.net/

From keith at dartworks.biz  Tue Mar 24 11:22:44 2009
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:22:44 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] How to tell if sys.excepthook has already
	been	overridden?
In-Reply-To: <49C2BB99.5030704@ulmcnett.com>
References: <49C2BB99.5030704@ulmcnett.com>
Message-ID: <49C8B474.2060109@dartworks.biz>

Paul McNett wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a general way to tell if sys.excepthook has been overridden 
> already or not? I want to override it in my library, but only if it 
> hasn't already been overridden by some other library or 
> end-application code.

The original (built-in) exception hook is available as 
"sys.__excepthook__. So you can test:

if sys.excepthook is sys.__excepthook__:
    print "original hook"
else:
   print "except hook overridden"



From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Mar 24 14:56:51 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:56:51 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] dinner before meeting Thurs night?
In-Reply-To: <cd7dd44d0903200603h5c8c75c8ue5b317d6a466c6d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd7dd44d0903200603h5c8c75c8ue5b317d6a466c6d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090324135650.GA23519@panix.com>

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009, Alison Chaiken wrote:
>
> Anyone want to meet up for dinner on Castro Street in MV before Toolz
> Nite on Thursday?  I eat anything but pizza, but to get the ball
> rolling, how about Chef Liu at 6:15?

I'm game -- anyone else?  (ba.food sez Chef Liu is good but not
impressive.)  I'm not sure an hour is enough time -- should we meet at
6pm?
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-3-1

From jim at well.com  Tue Mar 24 17:10:20 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:10:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday March 26,
	2009: Tools for Python	Programmers
Message-ID: <1237911020.8066.31.camel@jim-laptop>


BayPIGgies meeting Thursday March 26, 2009: Tools for Python
Programmers  

NOTE BayPIGgies is NO LONGER meeting at Google but at the Symantec
Vcafe, at Symantec's location at 350 Ellis Street in Mountain View. 
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

Tonight's talk is 
* Tools for Python Programmers (in four parts) 
Sandrine Ribeau on pylint
JJ Behrens on the profiler module 
Drew Pertulla on visualising profiler results with KCacheGrind
Simeon Franklin on virtualenv, pip, and fabric

Meetings start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of an 
essential Python feature, specially for those new to Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: 
unknown at this time 


NEW LOCATION FOR MARCH 26, 2009 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://baypiggies.net/new/plone


About the Talks 
   Tonight's talks focus on tools that improve code, performance, 
and package and library prowess. 



------------------------ Agenda ------------------------
 
..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, 
any first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:45 PM ................

Newbie Nugget: unknown  


..... 7:45 PM to 7:55 PM ................

Pylint 
by Sandrine Ribeau 

..... 7:55 PM to 8:10 PM ................

Profiler Module 
by JJ Behrens 

..... 8:10 PM to 8:25 PM ................

KCacheGrind 
by Drew Perttula 

..... 8:25 PM to 8:45 PM ................

virtualenv, pip, and fabric 
by Simeon Franklin 



Note that the meeting may end promptly at 9 PM. 

..... 8:45 PM to 9:00 PM  ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics 
the announcers are interested in. 

Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up 
individually on the announcements and other topics of 
interest.

Note that the meeting may end promptly at 9 PM. 



From amax at redsymbol.net  Tue Mar 24 17:08:28 2009
From: amax at redsymbol.net (Aaron Maxwell)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:08:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] draft of pycon talk
In-Reply-To: <274472.29724.qm@web35802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <274472.29724.qm@web35802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200903240908.28571.amax@redsymbol.net>

Hi Jd,

Thanks for your comments.  One thing I did not mention: the talk is supposed 
to be less than 30 minutes - which means I talk for 25 minutes, then answer 
questions for five.  I can streamline what I said in the MP3 to fit in that 
pretty easily, I think, but I still have to make painful choices about 
eliminating things.

On Tuesday 24 March 2009 04:31:50 jd wrote:
> -- the flow..etc looks good.

ok, that's good to get a comment on - good flow is what I am shooting for.

> -- There is another dimension to automated testing... particularly when ur
> automated tests take say 20 hrs. You need to have categories of tests.

This is a good idea, I will try to work this idea in.

> -- You need to pick one or two of the fwk / compare contrast and recommend.

I more or less do that in the spoken word version.  I basically recommend 
BuildBot for general use unless there is a specific reason otherwise, but I 
don't have time to go into detailed pros and cons of the other frameworks.

> -- There is a lot more to it... like
>    -- how to setup components that makes up application.
>    -- how to set up initial  data from
>       -- for each test
>       -- for each suite.

I think these are more in the scope of the (lower-level) test harness, e.g. at 
the level of tools like the unittest module, py.test, nose, etc., rather than 
the higher-level QA system.  They are certainly good things to talk about, but 
I will have to skip over them for want of time.

> -- U might need to run migration tests every so often.. to make sure that
> new features..etc. would get upgraded correctly at existing deployments.

Again, not a bad idea but I expect I will have to omit this.

> Hope this helps :)

It does, thanks!

> /Jd
>
> --- On Tue, 3/24/09, Aaron Maxwell <amax at redsymbol.net> wrote:
> > From: Aaron Maxwell <amax at redsymbol.net>
> > Subject: [Baypiggies] draft of pycon talk
> > To: baypiggies at python.org
> > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 1:22 AM
> >
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm presenting at Pycon this year, about "Building an
> > Automated QA
> > Infrastructure using Open-Source Python Tools":
> > http://us.pycon.org/2009/conference/schedule/event/22/
> >
> > If anyone has some spare cycles and would like to help me
> > with some
> > feedback, I have a draft which I would sincerely appreciate
> > comments
> > on:
> >
> > http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.odp
> > http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.ppt
> > http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.mp3
> >
> > That last link is a recording I made of myself going
> > through it.  It
> > is about 33 minutes; you can just glance through the slides
> > instead if
> > that's too long.  I pretty obviously tripped over my
> > tongue a few
> > places, which I'll hopefully manage to correct by the time
> > I give the
> > talk, so please focus on the more general content.  In
> > particular, if
> > there is something that I don't explain that should be
> > explained, or I
> > use jargon without defining it, etc., please point that
> > out.  If
> > anything important is missing, or if I put something in
> > there for some
> > reason actually shouldn't be there, that is what I would
> > like to know
> > about.
> >
> > I can say right now that I repeated myself several times
> > and talked too
> > long on some minor points.  So I'll practice to
> > improve those things.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aaron
> >
> > --
> > Aaron Maxwell
> > http://redsymbol.net/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

-- 
Aaron Maxwell
http://redsymbol.net/

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 17:43:13 2009
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] dinner before meeting Thurs night?
In-Reply-To: <20090324135650.GA23519@panix.com>
References: <cd7dd44d0903200603h5c8c75c8ue5b317d6a466c6d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090324135650.GA23519@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W52C047B72948A15C1AB710A0930@phx.gbl>


FYI Chef Liu is incredibly noisy and it's impossible to have a decent conversation
in there in peak hours, Cafe Yoolong was better.

> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:56:51 -0700
> From: aahz at pythoncraft.com
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] dinner before meeting Thurs night?
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009, Alison Chaiken wrote:
> >
> > Anyone want to meet up for dinner on Castro Street in MV before Toolz
> > Nite on Thursday?  I eat anything but pizza, but to get the ball
> > rolling, how about Chef Liu at 6:15?
> 
> I'm game -- anyone else?  (ba.food sez Chef Liu is good but not
> impressive.)  I'm not sure an hour is enough time -- should we meet at
> 6pm?
> -- 
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
> 
> "Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning
> about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain
> wrong."  --GvR, python-ideas, 2009-3-1
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Mar 24 17:48:16 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:48:16 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] dinner before meeting Thurs night?
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W52C047B72948A15C1AB710A0930@phx.gbl>
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	<BAY111-W52C047B72948A15C1AB710A0930@phx.gbl>
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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009, Stephen McInerney wrote:
> 
> FYI Chef Liu is incredibly noisy and it's impossible to have a decent
> conversation in there in peak hours, Cafe Yoolong was better.

Cafe Yulong (note spelling) is fine by me -- it gets better reviews.
Since Alison is organizing, she gets to make the final decision.  ;-)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit any doubt and just
refer to comments in code as 'lies'. :-)"
--Michael Foord paraphrases Christian Muirhead on python-dev, 2009-3-22

From minesh at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 17:57:43 2009
From: minesh at gmail.com (Minesh Patel)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:57:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] draft of pycon talk
In-Reply-To: <200903240908.28571.amax@redsymbol.net>
References: <274472.29724.qm@web35802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<200903240908.28571.amax@redsymbol.net>
Message-ID: <b804d5d90903240957j2cbcbd98v3f77e421b491dcdf@mail.gmail.com>

>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'm presenting at Pycon this year, about "Building an
>> > Automated QA
>> > Infrastructure using Open-Source Python Tools":
>> > http://us.pycon.org/2009/conference/schedule/event/22/
>> >
>> > If anyone has some spare cycles and would like to help me
>> > with some
>> > feedback, I have a draft which I would sincerely appreciate
>> > comments
>> > on:
>> >
>> > http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.odp
>> > http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.ppt
>> > http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.mp3
>> >
>> > That last link is a recording I made of myself going
>> > through it. ?It
>> > is about 33 minutes; you can just glance through the slides
>> > instead if
>> > that's too long. ?I pretty obviously tripped over my
>> > tongue a few
>> > places, which I'll hopefully manage to correct by the time
>> > I give the
>> > talk, so please focus on the more general content. ?In
>> > particular, if
>> > there is something that I don't explain that should be
>> > explained, or I
>> > use jargon without defining it, etc., please point that
>> > out. ?If
>> > anything important is missing, or if I put something in
>> > there for some
>> > reason actually shouldn't be there, that is what I would
>> > like to know
>> > about.
>> >
>> > I can say right now that I repeated myself several times
>> > and talked too
>> > long on some minor points. ?So I'll practice to
>> > improve those things.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Aaron
>> >

Just reviewing the slides, I like the flow as well. I like how you
emphasize QA/testing, but it would be nice if you could provide more
details testing in Buildbot. I did the see the Twisted Trial steps in
the master.cfg, but I guess a little more details about it would help
since the topic is Automated QA, IMHO. Maybe something like the test
code needs to subclass the Twisted's unittest and it recursively
searches for test_* functions.

-- 
Thanks,
Minesh Patel

From alchaiken at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 18:01:09 2009
From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:01:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies Digest, Vol 41, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9226.1237913868.11745.baypiggies@python.org>
References: <mailman.9226.1237913868.11745.baypiggies@python.org>
Message-ID: <cd7dd44d0903241001u377dfd5cw17d92331692462e@mail.gmail.com>

Cafe Yulong at 6 PM works for me.    I'll try to wear a geeky t-shirt
so y'all can spot me . . . huh, maybe that won't work on Castro
Street!

-- 
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600  (cell)  		                    	
http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/
The Human Genome is smaller than Microsoft Office.   -- Steve Jurvetson

From amax at redsymbol.net  Tue Mar 24 18:39:33 2009
From: amax at redsymbol.net (Aaron Maxwell)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:39:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] draft of pycon talk
In-Reply-To: <b804d5d90903240957j2cbcbd98v3f77e421b491dcdf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <274472.29724.qm@web35802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<200903240908.28571.amax@redsymbol.net>
	<b804d5d90903240957j2cbcbd98v3f77e421b491dcdf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200903241039.33763.amax@redsymbol.net>

Hi Minesh,

On Tuesday 24 March 2009 09:57:43 Minesh Patel wrote:
> Just reviewing the slides, I like the flow as well. I like how you
> emphasize QA/testing, but it would be nice if you could provide more
> details testing in Buildbot. I did the see the Twisted Trial steps in
> the master.cfg, but I guess a little more details about it would help
> since the topic is Automated QA, IMHO. Maybe something like the test
> code needs to subclass the Twisted's unittest and it recursively
> searches for test_* functions.

Thanks for the comments.  I agree 120% more specifics and details are needed.  
I'm not sure how I'm going to fit more in; it's already bursting out of the 
time slot.  I'll find a way though :)

In the audio, and in the eventual talk, I spend about five minutes explaining 
the buildbot configuration slide near the end (time well spent I think).  To 
get the most bang for the buck, what I want to do is find some way to include a 
second, more complex example configuration, that includes code coverage and 
perhaps static source checking (e.g. pylint).   I'm afraid I won't be able to 
go into fine detail about trial, though.

Thanks,
Aaron

-- 
Aaron Maxwell
http://redsymbol.net/

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Mar 24 18:51:56 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:51:56 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting/Public Transportation
In-Reply-To: <1237911020.8066.31.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <1237911020.8066.31.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <81657594-DC83-4E5B-AD40-51875D1B1EA0@glenjarvis.com>

I happened to take public transit to this area a few times this past  
month for other geeky reasons. I realize just how easy public transit  
is to this location is.

Normally, I have a ride to the event. But, if other BayPIGgies will be  
taking public transportation (CalTrain to MountainView; Light Rail to  
Middlefield; slight walk), it'd be good to meet at CalTrain so we can  
all travel together. This would be especially helpful for those who  
hadn't traveled this by public transit to this location before. So,  
I'm thinking of a group that met regularly at MountainView CalTrain  
and travelled to the event.

Please let me know if you're interested in going by public transit. If  
so, I'll travel with you. If not, I'll ride with a friend in his car  
and be social.

I personally need to be at the final destination at least 30 minute  
early so I can set up to record the meeting.


Cheers,


Glen
--
glen at glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi



From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Mar 24 19:04:18 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:04:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Dinner Thurs
In-Reply-To: <cd7dd44d0903241001u377dfd5cw17d92331692462e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.9226.1237913868.11745.baypiggies@python.org>
	<cd7dd44d0903241001u377dfd5cw17d92331692462e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090324180418.GA12538@panix.com>

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009, Alison Chaiken wrote:
>
> Cafe Yulong at 6 PM works for me.  I'll try to wear a geeky t-shirt so
> y'all can spot me . . . huh, maybe that won't work on Castro Street!

I'll wear a Python t-shirt.  ;-)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit any doubt and just
refer to comments in code as 'lies'. :-)"
--Michael Foord paraphrases Christian Muirhead on python-dev, 2009-3-22

From emma at lolapps.com  Tue Mar 24 17:42:56 2009
From: emma at lolapps.com (Emma Donovan)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:42:56 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Web Developers needed at LOLapps Media
Message-ID: <004401c9ac9f$96f0a2a0$0202fea9@Olive>

I look forward to hearing from you if you're looking for something new and
are interested in using / learning Python.
 
www.lolapps.com
emma at lolapps.com <mailto:emma at lolapps.com> 
 
Here are a few bullets on us, because who doesn't love bullets? 

- We're profitable, which makes us pretty much the opposite of your typical
echo chamber Silicon Valley startups. 

- We raised $4m in an A round with Polaris Ventures and value-add angels
including Ron Conway and Ariel Poler. 

- We're only 15 people. You can make a MASSIVE impact here. 

- Our office is in San Francisco, in the old Yelp space, but we plan to
upgrade our digs soon. We'll still be in SF. 

- We have all the typical startup stuff (free food, Rock Band, exposed brick
walls, etc). 

- If you like beer, check out our kitchen. 

Requirements 

- Care more about the company and your group's goals rather than personal
glory 

- Desire and ability to quickly learn new languages and technologies 

- 2+ years of experience as a software engineer 

- Appreciate owning a full spectrum of responsibilities from backend (SQL,
memcache, etc) to frontend (JavaScript, FBML, FBJS) 

- Interested in using / learning Python 

- Detail-oriented: When someone sends you an email about something it
automagically gets handled with no need for a follow-up 

- Interested in working in the social networking space 

- Comfortable working in an environment where ideas are thought of,
described, and executed within a span of hours to days 


Desired Qualifications 

- Computer science or equivalent degree from a top computer science program 

- 1+ year working on a consumer facing web product with a high level of
scale 

- Strong product sense 

- You write software for fun. You've worked on projects of your own outside
of school or work 

- Entrepreneurial 


 
Emma Donovan
Recruiter
LOLapps Media
direct 707 824 8111
cell 415 203 0015
emma at lolapps.com
 
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From lavendula6654 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 25 05:44:23 2009
From: lavendula6654 at yahoo.com (Elaine)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:44:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python and Ajax courses at Foothill College
Message-ID: <337178.72421.qm@web31303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Foothill College is offering two courses of interest to web application software developers: Ajax and Python. These 11- week courses are held weekday evenings from April through June at the Middlefield campus in Palo Alto.

If you would like to learn Application Software Development with Ajax, the course meets Wednesday evenings, 6:00 pm - 9:40 pm. The course is designed for students who are already familiar with some type of programming, and have introductory knowledge of JavaScript and html. For more information, go to:
http://www.foothill.edu/schedule/schedule.php
and choose Department: ?COIN?, quarter: ?Spring 2009?, and course number ?71?.

If you would like to learn Python, the course meets Monday evenings and is also designed for students who are familiar with some type of programming. We will use the textbook ?Core Python? by Wesley Chun, and part of the work of the course will involve an authentic team project. For more information, go to:
http://www.foothill.edu/schedule/schedule.php
and choose Department: ?CIS?, quarter: ?Spring 2009?, and course number ?68K?.

If you would like to sign up for a class, please register beforehand by going to:
http://www.foothill.fhda.edu/reg/index.php
If you do not register ahead of time, the class you want may be cancelled!
 
If you have questions, you can contact the instructor at:
haightElaine at foothill.edu




      

From mac at Culver.Net  Wed Mar 25 06:35:52 2009
From: mac at Culver.Net (Michael Cheponis)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:35:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python and Ajax courses at Foothill College
In-Reply-To: <337178.72421.qm@web31303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <337178.72421.qm@web31303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.0903242230180.7837@S.culver.net>

As a graduate of COIN-71, Application Software Development with Ajax, I definitely recommend both the course and Ms. Haight as the instructor.  I learned one heck of a lot when I took this course last spring.  You'll work hard, but you'll learn a lot, too!

Highly recommended.

-Michael


On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Elaine wrote:

> Subject: [Baypiggies] Python and Ajax courses at Foothill College
>
> Foothill College is offering two courses of interest to web application software developers: Ajax and Python. These 11- week courses are held weekday evenings from April through June at the Middlefield campus in Palo Alto.
>
> If you would like to learn Application Software Development with Ajax, the course meets Wednesday evenings, 6:00 pm - 9:40 pm. The course is designed for students who are already familiar with some type of programming, and have introductory knowledge of JavaScript and html. For more information, go to:
> http://www.foothill.edu/schedule/schedule.php
> and choose Department: ???COIN???, quarter: ???Spring 2009???, and course number ???71???.
>
> If you would like to learn Python, the course meets Monday evenings and is also designed for students who are familiar with some type of programming. We will use the textbook ???Core Python??? by Wesley Chun, and part of the work of the course will involve an authentic team project. For more information, go to:
> http://www.foothill.edu/schedule/schedule.php
> and choose Department: ???CIS???, quarter: ???Spring 2009???, and course number ???68K???.
>
> If you would like to sign up for a class, please register beforehand by going to:
> http://www.foothill.fhda.edu/reg/index.php
> If you do not register ahead of time, the class you want may be cancelled!
>
> If you have questions, you can contact the instructor at:
> haightElaine at foothill.edu

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Mar 25 19:55:27 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:55:27 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] draft of pycon talk
In-Reply-To: <200903240122.54514.amax@redsymbol.net>
References: <200903240122.54514.amax@redsymbol.net>
Message-ID: <20090325185527.GA21549@panix.com>

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009, Aaron Maxwell wrote:
> 
> I'm presenting at Pycon this year, about "Building an Automated QA
> Infrastructure using Open-Source Python Tools": 
> http://us.pycon.org/2009/conference/schedule/event/22/
> 
> If anyone has some spare cycles and would like to help me with some
> feedback, I have a draft which I would sincerely appreciate comments
> on:
> 
> http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.odp

You probably don't have time to fix this, but for future reference, your
slides are a bit text-heavy (you should have less text per slide).  One
way to do this is to use shorthand English as bullet points -- remember
that you should be using the slides to support your talk, the slides
should not *be* the talk.

For example, change "Execute the installer in a clean environment" to
"Execute installer in clean environment".

Another example: I suggest separating "language agnostic, VC agnostic,
and bug-tracking system agnostic" into bullet points:

* language agnostic
* version control agnostic
* bug-tracking system agnostic

(You'll notice that I also expanded the abbreviation; if you must use an
abbreviation, I suggest "VCS" as the standard version.)

You could probably split some of your slides into multiple slides.
Generally speaking, each slide should represent about a minute of speech.

See also
http://us.pycon.org/2009/conference/helpforspeakers/
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit any doubt and just
refer to comments in code as 'lies'. :-)"
--Michael Foord paraphrases Christian Muirhead on python-dev, 2009-3-22

From amax at redsymbol.net  Wed Mar 25 20:46:30 2009
From: amax at redsymbol.net (Aaron Maxwell)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:46:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] draft of pycon talk
In-Reply-To: <20090325185527.GA21549@panix.com>
References: <200903240122.54514.amax@redsymbol.net>
	<20090325185527.GA21549@panix.com>
Message-ID: <200903251246.30880.amax@redsymbol.net>

Thanks Aahz - these are good points.

Actually I do probably have time to make some of these changes.

cheers,
Aaron

On Wednesday 25 March 2009 11:55:27 Aahz wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009, Aaron Maxwell wrote:
> > I'm presenting at Pycon this year, about "Building an Automated QA
> > Infrastructure using Open-Source Python Tools":
> > http://us.pycon.org/2009/conference/schedule/event/22/
> >
> > If anyone has some spare cycles and would like to help me with some
> > feedback, I have a draft which I would sincerely appreciate comments
> > on:
> >
> > http://redsymbol.net/media/pycon-draft/pres1.odp
>
> You probably don't have time to fix this, but for future reference, your
> slides are a bit text-heavy (you should have less text per slide).  One
> way to do this is to use shorthand English as bullet points -- remember
> that you should be using the slides to support your talk, the slides
> should not *be* the talk.
>
> For example, change "Execute the installer in a clean environment" to
> "Execute installer in clean environment".
>
> Another example: I suggest separating "language agnostic, VC agnostic,
> and bug-tracking system agnostic" into bullet points:
>
> * language agnostic
> * version control agnostic
> * bug-tracking system agnostic
>
> (You'll notice that I also expanded the abbreviation; if you must use an
> abbreviation, I suggest "VCS" as the standard version.)
>
> You could probably split some of your slides into multiple slides.
> Generally speaking, each slide should represent about a minute of speech.
>
> See also
> http://us.pycon.org/2009/conference/helpforspeakers/

-- 
Aaron Maxwell
http://redsymbol.net/

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Mar 26 15:26:12 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:26:12 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tonight's Newbie Nugget: Big O()
Message-ID: <20090326142612.GA2712@panix.com>

Unless someone else wants to do one (please let me know by noon), I'll
present on "Big O() and containers".

How much time do I have?  (I forget.)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit any doubt and just
refer to comments in code as 'lies'. :-)"
--Michael Foord paraphrases Christian Muirhead on python-dev, 2009-3-22

From jim at well.com  Thu Mar 26 18:21:18 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:21:18 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tonight's Newbie Nugget: Big O()
In-Reply-To: <20090326142612.GA2712@panix.com>
References: <20090326142612.GA2712@panix.com>
Message-ID: <1238088078.8066.263.camel@jim-laptop>


   preferably ten minutes or less given 
tonight's speaker list. twelve minutes 
seems like max. 



On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 07:26 -0700, Aahz wrote:
> Unless someone else wants to do one (please let me know by noon), I'll
> present on "Big O() and containers".
> 
> How much time do I have?  (I forget.)


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Mar 26 18:24:07 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:24:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tonight's Newbie Nugget: Big O()
In-Reply-To: <1238088078.8066.263.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <20090326142612.GA2712@panix.com>
	<1238088078.8066.263.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <20090326172406.GA18487@panix.com>

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009, jim wrote:
> 
>    preferably ten minutes or less given tonight's speaker list.       
> twelve minutes seems like max.                                        

Thanks!  Not a problem.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit any doubt and just
refer to comments in code as 'lies'. :-)"
--Michael Foord paraphrases Christian Muirhead on python-dev, 2009-3-22

From dave at offbeatguides.com  Thu Mar 26 20:23:15 2009
From: dave at offbeatguides.com (David Sifry)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:23:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a FTE Senior Python Engineer in San
	Francisco / Offbeat Guides
Message-ID: <A1F9BD36-50A4-4D38-A651-E221DD263B00@offbeatguides.com>

We?re looking for a senior Python engineer to join our team at Offbeat  
Guides in San Francisco. We?re a small team; you?ll be our sixth full- 
time employee and our second full-time developer. It?s a high-growth  
startup so you should be prepared for all the fun that it brings, as  
well as long and irregular hours. The ideal team member is ready to  
take digital content and turn it into physical goods. If parsing  
complex text, working with third-party APIs and compiling seemingly  
unorganized data from a number of sources into something meaningful  
isn?t your cup of tea? then this isn?t the position for you.

You?re an expert in:
* Python
* Twisted, Beautiful Soup
* Application architecture
* Scaling to accommodate large amounts of traffic

You?re very proficient in:
* Amazon Web Services: EC2, S3 and SimpleDB
* Consuming and writing web services
* Caching strategies
* Distributed Computing methodologies
* PHP/MySQL (CodeIgnitor/MVC)

You?re good at:
* XHTML/CSS
* Javascript (jQuery)

You?re not afraid of:
* Releasing production code frequently
* Thinking openly and creatively about hard technical problems
* Communicating with the team and being involved in the product  
development process
* Answering occasional customer support inquiries
* Mid-afternoon cheese & cracker plates

At Offbeat Guides, we make really complex things seem really easy. The  
technologies we develop span across multiple platforms and all speak  
in HTTP/XML. We use the best tools for the task at hand - be it C# for  
printer interaction, Python for parsing or PHP for our website. The  
technological challenges we face include (but are not limited to):

* Product up-time while relying on a large number of third-party  
services, including sophisticated caching mechanisms
* Integration with a plethora of third-party APIs where no two are the  
same
* Data integrity? because we have a lot of it
* Keeping the website fast. Fast as in < 0.5s load time for most pages
* Generating guide previews in excess of 200 pages in under ten  
seconds for a remote location in South America that you?ve never heard  
of but where people travel each year for holiday and use our guides
* Handling high volumes of traffic

To apply, send your resum? or CV to careers at offbeatguides.com Please  
also send along a list of things you?ve made in the past (preferably  
with links so we can play), a story about the last cool place you  
traveled, photos from a trip, a list of languages you can speak, a  
really funny joke or any combination thereof.

This is for a full-time position in San Francisco, CA. We are  
currently not interested in hiring part-time or contractors.
--
David L. Sifry
Founder and CEO, Offbeat Guides
http://www.offbeatguides.com/
dave at offbeatguides.com
+1 415 846-0232 (Mobile)


From alchaiken at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 17:16:29 2009
From: alchaiken at gmail.com (Alison Chaiken)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:16:29 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] geospatial software architect job opening involves
	python and django
Message-ID: <cd7dd44d0903270916kf570f25k1ee6065600f0cf7c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all last night's presenters.    I've installed pylint and am
looking into fabric!

Do not respond to me about the job opening appended below.    I'm
merely forwarding it from another mailing list.

-- 
Alison Chaiken
(650) 279-5600  (cell)  		                                	
    http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/
The Human Genome is smaller than Microsoft Office.   -- Steve Jurvetson





GEOSPATIAL SOFTWARE ARCHITECT

Title:    Software Developer (full-time position)
Location: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

Want to help NASA return to the Moon? Want to build cutting-edge planetary
mapping and modeling systems? Want to create geospatial user interfaces
that reach millions of people?

The NASA Ames Intelligent Robotics Group (irg.arc.nasa.gov) has an
immediate opening for a full-time software developer to help create the
next generation of planetary data systems, geospatial user interfaces, and
teraflop image processing pipelines. This is a high-profile, high-impact
opportunity to create software that will make a difference in how we
explore space. This software will be used by NASA mission engineers, the
planetary science community, and the general public, through Google Earth
and other cutting-edge science and outreach platforms.

Applicants should hold a B.S. (or higher) in Computer Science and have
excellent software engineering and system development skills. A strong
background in UNIX development and open-source tools is required. In
addition, knowledge in one (or more) of the following areas is greatly
preferred:

  - C++, Java, Python, and Django

  - distributed, multi-threaded and parallel processing

  - geospatial systems (GIS, geodesy, experience with GDAL, proj.4, etc.)

  - computer vision (camera models, stereo vision, 2D/3D mosaicking)

  - linear algebra and statistics, plus some knowledge of optimization,
    estimation, and probablistic methods

If you are interested in applying for this position, please send the
following via email:

  - a letter describing your background and software experience

  - a detailed resume (PDF or text)

  - contact details for two (or more) references

to Dr. Terry Fong <terry.fong at nasa.gov>.

The NASA Ames Intelligent Robotics Group (IRG) is dedicated to enabling
humans and robots to explore and learn about extreme environments, remote
locations, and uncharted worlds. IRG conducts applied research in a wide
range of areas with an emphasis on robotics systems science and field
testing. IRG's expertise includes applied computer vision (navigation, 3D
surface modeling, automated science support), human-robot interaction,
interactive 3D user interfaces, robot software architecture, and planetary
rovers. Recent projects include:

  Google Mars 3D                  http://earth.google.com
  Google NASA Planetary Content:  http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/projects/planetary
  Robotic Site Survey:            http://haughton2007.arc.nasa.gov
  GigaPan GigaPixel Panoramas:    http://gigapan.org

From drewp at bigasterisk.com  Fri Mar 27 18:06:10 2009
From: drewp at bigasterisk.com (Drew Perttula)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:06:10 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] links for drew's presentation
Message-ID: <49CD0782.30303@bigasterisk.com>

Here are the things I showed last night:

http://www.tarind.com/depgraph.html
to make pictures like this:
http://bigasterisk.com/post/ffg-dep-2009-01-29.jpg

http://nedbatchelder.com/code/modules/coverage.html
and some version of 
http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/browser/sandbox/warner/Foolscap/trunk/misc/testutils/figleaf_htmlizer.py?rev=19989

cProfile (stdlib, http://docs.python.org/library/profile.html),
http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/tool/lsprofcalltree.py,
and http://kcachegrind.sourceforge.net/html/Home.html



Afterwards, I talked about the following things with people:

Running python code checkers continuously in the background in emacs
http://plope.com/Members/chrism/flymake-mode
(see http://plope.com/bounty_solved for an important bugfix)

http://www.rdflib.net/
http://www.rdflib.net/rdflib-2.4.0/html/public/rdflib.Literal.Literal-class.html

From bsergean at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 18:30:41 2009
From: bsergean at gmail.com (Benjamin Sergeant)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:30:41 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] geospatial software architect job opening involves
	python and django
In-Reply-To: <cd7dd44d0903270916kf570f25k1ee6065600f0cf7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cd7dd44d0903270916kf570f25k1ee6065600f0cf7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1621f9fa0903271030w783fefamd1e74d3971eceef@mail.gmail.com>

post baypiggies morning are always great for toying around. I'm writting a
.sln (Microsoft visual studio solution file) parser using python-ply, and
wanted to work on it on my Mac that doesn't have python-ply installed.

So I thought I'd give pip and virtualenv a try to local install ply with
ease and not polute my global site-packages folder. And that was easy
indeed.

- Benjamin

$ sudo easy_install pip # virtualenv was already installed, think you
install it the same way
$ svn co /path/to/my/project
$ cd my/project
$ virtualenv pyenv
New python executable in pyenv/bin/python
Installing setuptools............done.
$ pip install -E pyenv ply
Downloading/unpacking ply
  Downloading ply-3.2.tar.gz (139Kb): 139Kb downloaded
  Running setup.py egg_info for package ply
Installing collected packages: ply
  Running setup.py install for ply
Successfully installed ply
$ export PATH=pyenv/bin:$PATH
$ python
Python 2.5.1 (r251:54869, Apr 18 2007, 22:08:04)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5367)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import ply
>>>





On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Alison Chaiken <alchaiken at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks to all last night's presenters.    I've installed pylint and am
> looking into fabric!
>
> Do not respond to me about the job opening appended below.    I'm
> merely forwarding it from another mailing list.
>
> --
> Alison Chaiken
> (650) 279-5600  (cell)
>    http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/
> The Human Genome is smaller than Microsoft Office.   -- Steve Jurvetson
>
>
>
>
>
> GEOSPATIAL SOFTWARE ARCHITECT
>
> Title:    Software Developer (full-time position)
> Location: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
>
> Want to help NASA return to the Moon? Want to build cutting-edge planetary
> mapping and modeling systems? Want to create geospatial user interfaces
> that reach millions of people?
>
> The NASA Ames Intelligent Robotics Group (irg.arc.nasa.gov) has an
> immediate opening for a full-time software developer to help create the
> next generation of planetary data systems, geospatial user interfaces, and
> teraflop image processing pipelines. This is a high-profile, high-impact
> opportunity to create software that will make a difference in how we
> explore space. This software will be used by NASA mission engineers, the
> planetary science community, and the general public, through Google Earth
> and other cutting-edge science and outreach platforms.
>
> Applicants should hold a B.S. (or higher) in Computer Science and have
> excellent software engineering and system development skills. A strong
> background in UNIX development and open-source tools is required. In
> addition, knowledge in one (or more) of the following areas is greatly
> preferred:
>
>  - C++, Java, Python, and Django
>
>  - distributed, multi-threaded and parallel processing
>
>  - geospatial systems (GIS, geodesy, experience with GDAL, proj.4, etc.)
>
>  - computer vision (camera models, stereo vision, 2D/3D mosaicking)
>
>  - linear algebra and statistics, plus some knowledge of optimization,
>    estimation, and probablistic methods
>
> If you are interested in applying for this position, please send the
> following via email:
>
>  - a letter describing your background and software experience
>
>  - a detailed resume (PDF or text)
>
>  - contact details for two (or more) references
>
> to Dr. Terry Fong <terry.fong at nasa.gov>.
>
> The NASA Ames Intelligent Robotics Group (IRG) is dedicated to enabling
> humans and robots to explore and learn about extreme environments, remote
> locations, and uncharted worlds. IRG conducts applied research in a wide
> range of areas with an emphasis on robotics systems science and field
> testing. IRG's expertise includes applied computer vision (navigation, 3D
> surface modeling, automated science support), human-robot interaction,
> interactive 3D user interfaces, robot software architecture, and planetary
> rovers. Recent projects include:
>
>  Google Mars 3D                  http://earth.google.com
>  Google NASA Planetary Content:  http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/projects/planetary
>  Robotic Site Survey:            http://haughton2007.arc.nasa.gov
>  GigaPan GigaPixel Panoramas:    http://gigapan.org
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From bsergean at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 18:48:31 2009
From: bsergean at gmail.com (Benjamin Sergeant)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:48:31 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] links for drew's presentation
In-Reply-To: <49CD0782.30303@bigasterisk.com>
References: <49CD0782.30303@bigasterisk.com>
Message-ID: <1621f9fa0903271048h5fd63477m5160dfb214e4b933@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the links, RDF and FOAF looks interesting and probably easier to
setup than an ORM when you want to do basic relational things.
I remember you were also talking about the Tahoe project yesterday, if it's
about distributed filesystem, it looks pretty interesting too.
http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe

Cheers,
- Benjamin

ps:
Just adding that all the talks yesterday were really good, as usual (my
wife's one was the best, obvisously ;)
Baypiggies is really a joy and I hope this community will continue to thrill
for a long time.



2009/3/27 Drew Perttula <drewp at bigasterisk.com>

> Here are the things I showed last night:
>
> http://www.tarind.com/depgraph.html
> to make pictures like this:
> http://bigasterisk.com/post/ffg-dep-2009-01-29.jpg
>
> http://nedbatchelder.com/code/modules/coverage.html
> and some version of
> http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/browser/sandbox/warner/Foolscap/trunk/misc/testutils/figleaf_htmlizer.py?rev=19989
>
> cProfile (stdlib, http://docs.python.org/library/profile.html),
> http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/tool/lsprofcalltree.py,
> and http://kcachegrind.sourceforge.net/html/Home.html
>
>
>
> Afterwards, I talked about the following things with people:
>
> Running python code checkers continuously in the background in emacs
> http://plope.com/Members/chrism/flymake-mode
> (see http://plope.com/bounty_solved for an important bugfix)
>
> http://www.rdflib.net/
>
> http://www.rdflib.net/rdflib-2.4.0/html/public/rdflib.Literal.Literal-class.html
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 19:52:18 2009
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:52:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Anyone interested in a Plone 3 demo?
Message-ID: <baf0d46b0903271152q21302730qa3bc98dd9937961c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Many changes since I did my Plone demo a couple years ago (18 months ago?)
and if you have an empty month coming up let me know. I've been doing a lot
of training lately and I can provide a really good overview of all the neato
elements in the new Plone and a glimpse into the future of Plone.

Best Regards,
Donna M Snow, Principal
C Squared Enterprises
illuminating your path to Open Source
http://www.csquaredtech.com

coming soon!! c2etraining.com
Open Source training (online and off)
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 22:49:03 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:49:03 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] my slides
Message-ID: <c41f67b90903271449n4b3e9c5ao47d2c0e702936c2c@mail.gmail.com>

Here are my elaborate "slides" from yesterday:

This is a random collection of topics related to Python tools.

Talk about the UNIX philosophy:
    Small tools.
    My problems tend to be too large for RAM, but not too big for one
machine.
    UNIX and batch processing are a natural fit.
    Multiple processes = multiple CPUs.
    Multiple programming languages = more flexibility.
    Pipes = concurrency without the pain.
    Scales linearly and predictably, unlike databases.
    UNIX tools that already exist are helpful and fast.

Use the optparse module to provide consistent command line APIs:
    Here's an example of the setup from the docs:
        : from optparse import OptionParser
        : parser = OptionParser()
        : parser.add_option("-f", "--file", dest="filename",
        :                   help="write report to FILE", metavar="FILE")
        : parser.add_option("-q", "--quiet",
        :                   action="store_false", dest="verbose",
default=True,
        :                   help="don't print status messages to stdout")
        : (options, args) = parser.parse_args()
    Here's an example of my own help text
        : Usage: cleancuttsv.py [options]
        :
        : Options:
        :   -h, --help            show this help message and exit
        :   --assert-head=FIELD1\tFIELD2\t...
        :                         assert that the first line of the file
matches this
        :   --delete-head         delete the first line of input
        :   -n NUM, --num-fields=NUM
        :                         assert that there are this many fields per
line
        :   --drop-blank-lines    delete blank lines instead of raising an
error
        :

sort:

http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2008/08/python-sort-uniq-c-via-subprocess.html
    sort -S 20% -T /mnt/some_other_drive ...

http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2008/08/python-memory-conservation-tip-sort.html

tsv:
    You need a consistent format.
    Downsides:
        Most UNIX tools don't understand true TSV, but only an approximation
thereof:
            My own code raises an exception in cases where it would actually
matter.
        Many UNIX tools are ignorant of encoding issues:
            Sometimes playing dumb works and sometimes it hurts.
    Using the csv module:
        : import csv
        :
        : DEFAULT_KARGS = dict(dialect='excel-tab', lineterminator='\n')
        : MYSQL_LOAD_DATA_INFILE_DESC = """\
        :     FIELDS TERMINATED BY '\t'
        :            OPTIONALLY ENCLOSED BY '"'
        :            ESCAPED BY ''
        :     LINES TERMINATED BY '\n'"""
        :
        : def create_default_reader(iterable):
        :     """Return a csv.reader with our default options."""
        :     return csv.reader(iterable, **DEFAULT_KARGS)
        : ...
    Using mysqlimport.
        : mysqlimport \
        :     --user=$MYSQL_USERNAME \
        :     --password=$MYSQL_PASSWORD \
        :     --columns=id,name \
        :     --fields-optionally-enclosed-by='"' \
        :     --fields-terminated-by='\t' \
        :     --fields-escaped-by='' \
        :     --lines-terminated-by='\n' \
        :     --local \
        :     --lock-tables \
        :     --replace \
        :     --verbose \
        :     $DATABASE ${BUILD}/sometable.tsv
        To see warnings:
            http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2009/03/mysql-encoding-hell.html

Show pdb in the context of a web app:
    : import pdb
    : from pprint import pprint
    : pdb.set_trace()
    : pprint(request.environ)
    http://localhost:5000/api/ratio
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 22:52:26 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:52:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] A day of PyConsolation
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90903271452x5f83d10etc434e4991e1cb60b@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

I never got around to setting anything up for tomorrow, my proposed
day of PyConsolation.  Sorry about that.  I suggest you enjoy the
beautiful weather instead--the Bay Area is much greener than Chicago
anyway ;)

Happy Hacking!
-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From guido at python.org  Fri Mar 27 22:56:48 2009
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:56:48 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] A day of PyConsolation
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90903271452x5f83d10etc434e4991e1cb60b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90903271452x5f83d10etc434e4991e1cb60b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca471dc20903271456u183d5b82t9eea96591a937137@mail.gmail.com>

For a feeling of "almost" being there:
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23pycon

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> I never got around to setting anything up for tomorrow, my proposed
> day of PyConsolation. ?Sorry about that. ?I suggest you enjoy the
> beautiful weather instead--the Bay Area is much greener than Chicago
> anyway ;)
>
> Happy Hacking!
> -jj

-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

From daryl.spitzer at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 23:01:35 2009
From: daryl.spitzer at gmail.com (Daryl Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:01:35 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] A day of PyConsolation
In-Reply-To: <ca471dc20903271456u183d5b82t9eea96591a937137@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90903021327q6c861be0t4904eec1b7dd1aaf@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90903271452x5f83d10etc434e4991e1cb60b@mail.gmail.com>
	<ca471dc20903271456u183d5b82t9eea96591a937137@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbf2758a0903271501h6e19d572n45a289d85c8dd488@mail.gmail.com>

Or a little more fun: http://twitterfall.com/#pycon


On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:
> For a feeling of "almost" being there:
> http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23pycon
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I never got around to setting anything up for tomorrow, my proposed
>> day of PyConsolation. ?Sorry about that. ?I suggest you enjoy the
>> beautiful weather instead--the Bay Area is much greener than Chicago
>> anyway ;)
>>
>> Happy Hacking!
>> -jj
>
> --
> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat Mar 28 01:48:14 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:48:14 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Slides: Big O() and Collections
Message-ID: <20090328004814.GA1636@panix.com>

http://www.pythoncraft.com/baypiggies/bigO/bigO.pdf
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit any doubt and just
refer to comments in code as 'lies'. :-)"
--Michael Foord paraphrases Christian Muirhead on python-dev, 2009-3-22

From robert.e.smith1 at lmco.com  Sat Mar 28 07:18:15 2009
From: robert.e.smith1 at lmco.com (Smith1, Robert E)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:18:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Pylint
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9947.1238176115.11745.baypiggies@python.org>
References: <mailman.9947.1238176115.11745.baypiggies@python.org>
Message-ID: <18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF19AA7955@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>


"Thanks to all last night's presenters.    I've installed pylint and am
looking into fabric!"

I'd like to give my thanks as well. I also installed Pylint and the one
complaint I have about PEP-8 is that function/method names and variable
names are supposed to follow the same naming convention.  But you see
that philosophy in Java coding standards as well.

Robert

From simeonf at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 01:53:15 2009
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:53:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] using virtualenv
Message-ID: <e58a4bea0903281753m19a6092w8810c7540c4c154b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:48 AM,  <baypiggies-request at python.org> wrote:
> From: Benjamin Sergeant <bsergean at gmail.com>
> $ svn co /path/to/my/project
> $ cd my/project
> $ virtualenv pyenv
> New python executable in pyenv/bin/python
> Installing setuptools............done.
> $ pip install -E pyenv ply
> Downloading/unpacking ply
> ?Downloading ply-3.2.tar.gz (139Kb): 139Kb downloaded
> ?Running setup.py egg_info for package ply
> Installing collected packages: ply
> ?Running setup.py install for ply
> Successfully installed ply
> $ export PATH=pyenv/bin:$PATH

I'm glad you're trying out pip! Any particular reason not to use the
built-in "activate" command?

I also didn't mention in my presentation (since I was kind of rushing)
but Doug Hellman (who writes the excellent "Python Module of the Week"
series) wrote a shell script tool to manage many virtual envs. See
http://www.doughellmann.com/projects/virtualenvwrapper/

-regards
Simeon

From simeonf at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 03:34:38 2009
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:34:38 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] My slides on virtualenv, pip, fabric
Message-ID: <e58a4bea0903281834g4e25b1fcrf40c24c19b3bb6b9@mail.gmail.com>

I put up my slides from my talk Thursday night - they're available in html
format off the blog entry at
http://simeonfranklin.com/blog/2009/mar/28/baypiggies-presentations/

I also linked to the .rst source for the slides and mentioned the rst2s5
docutils tool I used to prepare the presentations. Nobody else seems to have
used this - I haven't really done slide-style presentations before and did
like the idea of spending a lot of time typing in Impress. If anybody has a
better tip than Keynote for a presentation app I'd be glad to hear it...

-simeon
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Mar 29 03:54:01 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:54:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] My slides on virtualenv, pip, fabric
In-Reply-To: <e58a4bea0903281834g4e25b1fcrf40c24c19b3bb6b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e58a4bea0903281834g4e25b1fcrf40c24c19b3bb6b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090329015401.GA26387@panix.com>

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009, Simeon Franklin wrote:
> 
> I also linked to the .rst source for the slides and mentioned the
> rst2s5 docutils tool I used to prepare the presentations. Nobody
> else seems to have used this - I haven't really done slide-style
> presentations before and did like the idea of spending a lot of time
> typing in Impress. If anybody has a better tip than Keynote for a
> presentation app I'd be glad to hear it...

What I use is PythonPoint (creates PDF presentation) with a homebrew
front-end so I don't have to write XML myself.  You can find the code at

http://pythoncraft.com/OSCON2002/index.html

While I should figure out how to use reST to create presentations, I
like the level of control my system gives me.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit any doubt and just
refer to comments in code as 'lies'. :-)"
--Michael Foord paraphrases Christian Muirhead on python-dev, 2009-3-22

From bsergean at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 07:38:01 2009
From: bsergean at gmail.com (Benjamin Sergeant)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:38:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] using virtualenv
In-Reply-To: <e58a4bea0903281753m19a6092w8810c7540c4c154b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e58a4bea0903281753m19a6092w8810c7540c4c154b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1621f9fa0903282238r26d9cb6ajef932ce508319814@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Simeon Franklin <simeonf at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:48 AM,  <baypiggies-request at python.org> wrote:
> > From: Benjamin Sergeant <bsergean at gmail.com>
> > $ svn co /path/to/my/project
> > $ cd my/project
> > $ virtualenv pyenv
> > New python executable in pyenv/bin/python
> > Installing setuptools............done.
> > $ pip install -E pyenv ply
> > Downloading/unpacking ply
> >  Downloading ply-3.2.tar.gz (139Kb): 139Kb downloaded
> >  Running setup.py egg_info for package ply
> > Installing collected packages: ply
> >  Running setup.py install for ply
> > Successfully installed ply
> > $ export PATH=pyenv/bin:$PATH
>
> I'm glad you're trying out pip!


Me too. From my 20 seconds playing with it experience 2 things nice with pip
are the download progress report, plus the -E virtualenv switch.


> Any particular reason not to use the
> built-in "activate" command?
>

It was just that I'm not a big fan of the ugly prompt activate adds. But it
might be doing more than setting up the PATH, and I think I can get over the
few chars activate add to the prompt.

Cheers,
- Benjamin



> I also didn't mention in my presentation (since I was kind of rushing)
> but Doug Hellman (who writes the excellent "Python Module of the Week"
> series) wrote a shell script tool to manage many virtual envs. See
> http://www.doughellmann.com/projects/virtualenvwrapper/
>
> -regards
> Simeon
>
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From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 17:32:09 2009
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 08:32:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] My slides on virtualenv, pip, fabric
In-Reply-To: <20090329015401.GA26387@panix.com>
References: <e58a4bea0903281834g4e25b1fcrf40c24c19b3bb6b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090329015401.GA26387@panix.com>
Message-ID: <baf0d46b0903290832m2c8b4198pdfa996db5ff6af2@mail.gmail.com>

Aw I'm sorry I missed the presentation! I've been using virtualenv and just
heard about pip for working with my Plone sites. Are the meetings getting
recorded??

Donna

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009, Simeon Franklin wrote:
> >
> > I also linked to the .rst source for the slides and mentioned the
> > rst2s5 docutils tool I used to prepare the presentations. Nobody
> > else seems to have used this - I haven't really done slide-style
> > presentations before and did like the idea of spending a lot of time
> > typing in Impress. If anybody has a better tip than Keynote for a
> > presentation app I'd be glad to hear it...
>
> What I use is PythonPoint (creates PDF presentation) with a homebrew
> front-end so I don't have to write XML myself.  You can find the code at
>
> http://pythoncraft.com/OSCON2002/index.html
>
> While I should figure out how to use reST to create presentations, I
> like the level of control my system gives me.
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>
> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit any doubt and just
> refer to comments in code as 'lies'. :-)"
> --Michael Foord paraphrases Christian Muirhead on python-dev, 2009-3-22
> _______________________________________________
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sun Mar 29 19:38:20 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:38:20 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] My slides on virtualenv, pip, fabric
In-Reply-To: <baf0d46b0903290832m2c8b4198pdfa996db5ff6af2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e58a4bea0903281834g4e25b1fcrf40c24c19b3bb6b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090329015401.GA26387@panix.com>
	<baf0d46b0903290832m2c8b4198pdfa996db5ff6af2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E19B86E5-DF81-4679-86B0-555E27AEB152@glenjarvis.com>

Yes, I recorded the meeting. I am almost finished getting a rough  
draft of the video ready so anyone can see them in time to join in on  
any current discussions.

Cheers,

Glen
--
415-680-3964
glen at glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi

On Mar 29, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Donna Snow wrote:

> Aw I'm sorry I missed the presentation! I've been using virtualenv  
> and just heard about pip for working with my Plone sites. Are the  
> meetings getting recorded??
>
> Donna
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009, Simeon Franklin wrote:
> >
> > I also linked to the .rst source for the slides and mentioned the
> > rst2s5 docutils tool I used to prepare the presentations. Nobody
> > else seems to have used this - I haven't really done slide-style
> > presentations before and did like the idea of spending a lot of time
> > typing in Impress. If anybody has a better tip than Keynote for a
> > presentation app I'd be glad to hear it...
>
> What I use is PythonPoint (creates PDF presentation) with a homebrew
> front-end so I don't have to write XML myself.  You can find the  
> code at
>
> http://pythoncraft.com/OSCON2002/index.html
>
> While I should figure out how to use reST to create presentations, I
> like the level of control my system gives me.
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "At Resolver we've found it useful to short-circuit any doubt and just
> refer to comments in code as 'lies'. :-)"
> --Michael Foord paraphrases Christian Muirhead on python-dev,  
> 2009-3-22
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Mar 30 18:34:00 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:34:00 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Video from our meeting
Message-ID: <49091C29-A85D-4285-9A73-B05CC0C8E40D@glenjarvis.com>

The videos from our meeting are now available. We have *much* better  
audio since Paul M. lent us a professional wireless microphone system.

I always try to get the video out the day after or at least by the  
weekend after our meeting. This one took a little longer. We had some  
technical problems. The camera battery can handle an hour and a half  
of video tops. We're usually pushing it to get the last video in  
before the camera dies. But, this week, we lost a *good* chunk of the  
last video. However, redundancy rules =)

Because we were streaming audio directly to a different system (Garage  
band on my Mac), we had the audio from the last speaker. With a copy  
of their slides, I was able to piece it all back together. We did lose  
some mic audio on Drew's talk (Garage band just quit for some reason),  
but we have the audio from the camera to fill-in. So, we captured the  
entire meeting... yeah.  But, it took some manual labor and patience  
to piece it all together... Oi!


http://glenjarvis.com/static/media/videos/2009_03_27/01_newbie_nugget.mov
Aahz gives us a great explanation of Big-O and collections

http://glenjarvis.com/static/media/videos/2009_03_27/02_pylint.mov
Sandrine Ribeau shows us Pylint

http://glenjarvis.com/static/media/videos/2009_03_27/03_sort_tricks.mov
JJ Behrens discusses sort and a few tricks of the trade

http://glenjarvis.com/static/media/videos/2009_03_27/04_profiling.mov
Drew Perttula shows us some great visual tools with profiling data
NOTE: Audio will switch from mic to regular camera mic. So, the volume  
will reduce toward end

http://glenjarvis.com/static/media/videos/2009_03_27/05_virtualenv_pip_fabric.mov
Simeon Franklin discusses Virtualenv, Pip and Fabric
WARNING: Audio starts with regular camera microphone, but within  
moments of the beginning, we switch back to microphone. It will get  
louder in the introduction.


As always, I didn't have time to make the video as good as I'd like  
(can you say perfectionist ;)  But, I want to integrate slides into  
the talk, do face closeups, fix some of the darkness/lightness issues,  
package with titles, and chapters. And, finally, get it into a YouTube  
format so that's it's easier for everyone to see.  But, this works  
(the audio especially works), so I'm putting it all on a back-burner  
for an unspecified amount of time.


Good luck everyone!  Happy Hacking!



Cheers,


Glen
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glen at glenjarvis.com

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From eric at ericwalstad.com  Mon Mar 30 21:16:03 2009
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:16:03 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Video from our meeting
In-Reply-To: <49091C29-A85D-4285-9A73-B05CC0C8E40D@glenjarvis.com>
References: <49091C29-A85D-4285-9A73-B05CC0C8E40D@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <c436fcd20903301216ied75f4ekb4aa18e71cf0e3de@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Glen!
Eric.
-- 
Eric Walstad Associates, LLC
2856 Diamond Street
San Francisco, CA 94131
415-494-5405

From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 21:27:45 2009
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Video from our meeting
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd20903301216ied75f4ekb4aa18e71cf0e3de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49091C29-A85D-4285-9A73-B05CC0C8E40D@glenjarvis.com>
	<c436fcd20903301216ied75f4ekb4aa18e71cf0e3de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <baf0d46b0903301227i366775dav3bc628734aad69fb@mail.gmail.com>

Glen,

You are an angel! Thanks for taking the time for those of us who can't seem
to get to the meetings, even though we would love to.

I'm now laid up with bum knee :-( owwie

Best Regards,
Donna M Snow, Principal
C Squared Enterprises
illuminating your path to Open Source
http://www.csquaredtech.com

coming soon c2etraining.com
Open Source training that is affordable and accessible!

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:

> Thanks Glen!
> Eric.
> --
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> 2856 Diamond Street
> San Francisco, CA 94131
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From sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 22:08:38 2009
From: sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com (Sandrine Ribeau)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:08:38 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Pylint
In-Reply-To: <18E2675C0D478E4494108B55120A61AF19AA7955@emss01m15.us.lmco.com>
References: <mailman.9947.1238176115.11745.baypiggies@python.org>
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Message-ID: <e337009b0903301308x73d2746ao6b0741ab250e85fd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Robert,

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Smith1, Robert E <robert.e.smith1 at lmco.com
> wrote:

>
> "Thanks to all last night's presenters.    I've installed pylint and am
> looking into fabric!"
>
> I'd like to give my thanks as well. I also installed Pylint and the one
> complaint I have about PEP-8 is that function/method names and variable
> names are supposed to follow the same naming convention.


I am happy to hear that you give it a try to Pylint.
You can easily configure the naming convention by properly setting the
following options:
# Regular expression which should only match correct function names
function-rgx=[a-z_][a-z0-9_]{2,30}$

# Regular expression which should only match correct method names
method-rgx=[a-z_][a-z0-9_]{2,30}$

# Regular expression which should only match correct variable names
variable-rgx=[a-z_][a-z0-9_]{2,30}$

I hope this helps,
Sandrine.

But you see
> that philosophy in Java coding standards as well.
>
> Robert
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From sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 22:15:46 2009
From: sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com (Sandrine Ribeau)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:15:46 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] links for drew's presentation
In-Reply-To: <49CD0782.30303@bigasterisk.com>
References: <49CD0782.30303@bigasterisk.com>
Message-ID: <e337009b0903301315w56b5d86at9eb6c17039c9ebd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Drew,

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Drew Perttula <drewp at bigasterisk.com>wrote:

> ...

Afterwards, I talked about the following things with people:
>
> Running python code checkers continuously in the background in emacs
> http://plope.com/Members/chrism/flymake-mode
> (see http://plope.com/bounty_solved for an important bugfix)
>

Just to let you know that a co-worker pointed me to that link that might
interest you: flymake does work in combination with Pylint:
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/PythonMode#toc6

Sandrine.
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Mar 31 21:04:09 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:04:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Someone need a job?
Message-ID: <E98F8DD9-296C-4070-A018-FD51A25371B4@glenjarvis.com>

After two months and three interviews I was turned down for a job.  
But, my loss can be someone else in the community's gain.

The reason I didn't get the job is the main reason I'm not getting  
most jobs these days. I have 1 year of experience in Python and  
Django. That's the newbie newb's newb of Python. And, a good chunk of  
that is contracting through my very small company Glen Jarvis, LLC.  
And, before this, I finished a degree for several years. And before  
that I was a DBA -- completely different role.

So, it's very probable someone else here is much stronger than I am at  
the role in question. However, it's a strange situation that they  
want. They want someone who is very experienced in mobile phone  
application development (so, it's not just Python skills, but it  
couldn't hurt). But, you won't be programming. You'll be managing an  
Open Source community. I originally applied because it's a community  
management role, but I eventually didn't get it because of my lack of  
Mobile phone app development experience.

If you're interested, please let me know and I'll direct you to the  
company. After they told me that I wasn't a fit, I thought I could  
help them find someone who is.

In the like vein of programmers helping out programmers and community  
spirit, if there is a Python and/or Django job out there where 1 year  
of experience is sufficient, please let me know. Newbie or not, I'm  
constantly growing as a programmer. I'm amazed at how much better my  
code is now compared to six months ago. But, with that said, I'm sure  
my code will continue to improve and I'm not at that level yet. I'm  
great as a Junior programmer working with other talented programmers  
-- especially team programming. I prefer full time work over  
contracting and am contracting now. I'm up to my eyes in contract work  
the past few weeks, but it's not regular and I'm getting more and more  
in debt doing so (I don't yet feel good enough to charge enough).

To give you a basic understanding of my coding level, I have just made  
the breakthrough of coding something dynamically like this. Although I  
knew about this style of programming before, I never "got it" in my  
code until just this week:

ACTION_DICT = {
     1: ('Vendor Scan', ('v', 't'), action_vendor_scan), #  
Vendor(v),Token(t)
     2: ('Time', ('e',), action_time_event), # Event(e)
     3: ('Email', ('t', 's','m'), action_email), #  
To(t),Subject(s),Message(m)
     4: ('Cron', ('u'), action_cron), # Unknown(u)
}

         # a is the action to execute and is dynamically set
         data = {}
         for v in variables:
            data[v] = request.GET.get(v, None)
            if data[v] is None:
                logging.error("scan: Data (%s) missing from URL" % v)
         data = ACTION_DICT[a][2](data)

Thanks in advance. And, let me know if you're interested in the mobile  
phone community management position.


All the best,


Glen
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glen at glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi

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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Mar 31 23:20:12 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:20:12 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Unladen Swallow: Google searches for holy grail of
	Python performance
Message-ID: <9C023302-C122-42B4-8D66-D1F58D8128B6@glenjarvis.com>

Google searches for holy grail of Python performance
Google's Python engineers have launched a new project called Unladen  
Swallow that seeks to improve the performance of the Python  
programming language. One of the project's goals is to replace the  
Python virtual machine with an LLVM-based JIT.

By Ryan Paul | Last updated March 26, 2009 5:08 PM CT


Read more at:

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/google-launches-project-to-boost-python-performance-by-5x.ars


Glen
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415-680-3964
glen at glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi

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