From daryl.spitzer at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 00:33:51 2009
From: daryl.spitzer at gmail.com (Daryl Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:33:51 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Book Suggestions?
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I recommend "Python Web Development with Django".  Django may continue
to change, but I don't think the book is out-of-date; not only because
it covers Django 1.0 but also because after giving you a solid
introduction in Django (and dynamic web sites in general), it explains
how to create several example applications.

See my detailed review at
http://pypap.blogspot.com/2009/01/book-review-python-web-development-with.html.

--
Daryl


On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:57 PM, wesley chun<wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a $50 gift certificate to amazon burning a hole in my pocket.
>> I'd like to pick up either a newb/intermediate Django book or an
>> intermediate/advanced general Python book.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
>
> *totally unbiased* but check out all 3 books below... they fit your
> criteria perfectly.... ?;-)
>
> cheers,
> -- wesley
>
> ps. reviews for all here: http://www.amazon.com/s?field-keywords=chun+python
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
> "Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
> ? ?http://corepython.com
>
> "Python Web Development with Django", Addison Wesley, (c) 2009
> http://withdjango.com
>
> wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
> python training and technical consulting
> cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
> http://cyberwebconsulting.com
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From tpc247 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 00:58:02 2009
From: tpc247 at gmail.com (tpc247 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:58:02 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Perot at NASA - Sr. Python Developer
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On 6/30/09, Alec Flett <alecf at flett.org> wrote:

>
> I want to say, perhaps I'm in the minority, that if someone posting for a
> job wants someone with experience working in the social networking space,
> that's a fair request, the same way its fair to request people who care
> about interesting algorithms, code quality, excitement about scalability,
> etc. I think the social networking space is, like lots of other verticals, a
> space that DOES have its own set of issues both technically and on the
> product creation side.
>
> A case study: I was amazed recently when a bunch of technical folks I know,
> (who will remain nameless) who never use twitter added "twitter integration"
> to their application - the integration was basically allowing users to let
> the service hijack their twitter account to send fairly content-free
> messages +links on their behalf. They thought they were doing the user a
> great service because none of them use twitter in a social context.
>
> They held the common attitude towards twitter of "nobody cares that you're
> eating french fries right this moment, so stop tweeting about it" and at
> some level thought they were raising the quality of people's tweets by
> letting them share these links. Instead, for people who really enjoy using
> it in an almost purely social/gossipy context (which is most twitter use,
> including my own) they were really doing most of their their users a
> disservice by twittering impersonal stuff on their behalf.
>
> The fact is, while not everybody cares about it, a lot of folks, like me,
> actually do like it when their friends twitter "Boy I just had the best
> french fries in the world and now I'm going to nap them off" Yes, thats
> actually interesting to some of us, and I'm not afraid to admit it :)
>
> So I guess my point is: you can be technically savvy, have decades of
> experience as a software developer, but if you don't have experience in one
> particular vertical (or in fact mock it as a craze) that's a VERY reasonable
> filter for a hiring manager. If I am a founder or CEO of a startup that
> leverages social-network-oriented features to succeed, and my engineers kept
> deprioritizing social features because they thought I was just caught up in
> a craze, I'd be pretty annoyed with those developers no matter how
> technically savvy they are.
>
> Alec
>


hi all, I got laid off last week, and like most of you on this list I am
looking for my next opportunity.  Alex, normally I'd be inclined to agree
with you, and given that I'm no longer gainfully employed, you'd think the
last thing I'd try to do is burn my bridges or make powerful enemies, but I
have to say in light of the following fascinating article about the coming
war between Google and Facebook, your response to Travis taking him to task
for having social networking as a must seems to come off as a bit of a
tantrum, if you'll allow me to use such a term with someone whose talks I've
always enjoyed and whose book Python Cookbook I'm about to read at Alec's
recommendation.  Some salient points from the article I thought you might
find interesting:

Facebook executives weren't leaping at the chance to join with Google; they
preferred to conquer it. "We never liked those guys," says one former
Facebook engineer. "We all had that audacity, 'Anything Google does, we can
do better.'
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg envisions a more personalized, humanized Web,
where our network of friends, colleagues, peers, and family is our primary
source of information, just as it is offline.
Facebook has stolen several well-known Google employees, from COO Sheryl
Sandburg to chef Josef Desimone; at least 9 percent of its staff used to
work for the search giant.

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-07/ff_facebookwall?currentPage=all

Thuon Chen
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From brent.tubbs at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 01:22:40 2009
From: brent.tubbs at gmail.com (Brent Tubbs)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:22:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Book Suggestions?
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If I were in your shoes I'd get the Python Cookbook.  Since thumbing
through it in the library a couple weeks ago I've been strongly
tempted to go buy my own.  The parts I looked at really took me beyond
noob level to understand a better way of doing things.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Daryl Spitzer<daryl.spitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> I recommend "Python Web Development with Django". ?Django may continue
> to change, but I don't think the book is out-of-date; not only because
> it covers Django 1.0 but also because after giving you a solid
> introduction in Django (and dynamic web sites in general), it explains
> how to create several example applications.
>
> See my detailed review at
> http://pypap.blogspot.com/2009/01/book-review-python-web-development-with.html.
>
> --
> Daryl
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:57 PM, wesley chun<wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have a $50 gift certificate to amazon burning a hole in my pocket.
>>> I'd like to pick up either a newb/intermediate Django book or an
>>> intermediate/advanced general Python book.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> *totally unbiased* but check out all 3 books below... they fit your
>> criteria perfectly.... ?;-)
>>
>> cheers,
>> -- wesley
>>
>> ps. reviews for all here: http://www.amazon.com/s?field-keywords=chun+python
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
>> "Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
>> ? ?http://corepython.com
>>
>> "Python Web Development with Django", Addison Wesley, (c) 2009
>> http://withdjango.com
>>
>> wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
>> python training and technical consulting
>> cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
>> http://cyberwebconsulting.com
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>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
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From dineshbvadhia at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  1 01:41:29 2009
From: dineshbvadhia at hotmail.com (Dinesh B Vadhia)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:41:29 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python / C/ C++ contract server engineers
Message-ID: <COL103-DS22821E538B2379AA5FDE4FA3310@phx.gbl>

Hi!  Is there some easy way to tap into the BayPiggies community to find appropriate contract Python/C/C++ server engineers?  I guess I could just post a note about what we are looking for on the list but I thought I'd ask first what was the best way.  Cheers ...

Dinesh
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul  1 02:08:27 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:08:27 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python / C/ C++ contract server engineers
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009, Dinesh B Vadhia wrote:
>
> Hi!  Is there some easy way to tap into the BayPiggies community to
> find appropriate contract Python/C/C++ server engineers?  I guess I
> could just post a note about what we are looking for on the list but I
> thought I'd ask first what was the best way.  Cheers ...

Posting to the list is best; you can also use
http://baypiggies.net/index_html/job-listings

Although it isn't "the BayPIGgies community", I recommend that you use
the main Python Jobs Board, too:
http://www.python.org/community/jobs
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From resmith at runbox.com  Wed Jul  1 05:25:17 2009
From: resmith at runbox.com (resmith at runbox.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:25:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] careful, I have a black belt in Pythondo
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>So, will there be a PEP for how to hire and evaluate Python
>programmers? Python would be the first language to explicitly even
>think about what a programmer should know.

Java has had multiple certifications for a while. I am guessing that Sun was behind that. I don't know if there is a certification for any other programming languages but I have seen certifications for XML knowledge. 

>Although you're joking, I wanted to respond seriously and mention that
>there have been previous discussions of Python certification, and while
>there is a significant and vocal minority who favor certification, a
>slightly larger and vocal minority vigorously opposes certification.
>(Not surprisingly, most people don't seem to care.) As someone in the
>opposition, I'll make the self-serving claim that opposition will
>increase if certification ever starts gaining traction. ;-)

Sounds like a good topic  for a Pycon poll.


>From reading comp.lang.python I have the impression that most of the people really into Python programming have very strong opinions on how you 
should code in Python. They will frequently chastise someone's code with something like "you didn't code in a Pythonic way - this isn't Java!". Don't know if python.org has anything similar, but I found this site on how to "Code Like a Pythonista". 

http://python.net/~goodger/projects/pycon/2007/idiomatic/handout.html


From motoom at xs4all.nl  Wed Jul  1 12:08:43 2009
From: motoom at xs4all.nl (Michiel Overtoom)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:08:43 +0200
Subject: [Baypiggies] Perot at NASA - Sr. Python Developer
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Anna wrote:

> Many men, on the other hand, will read that and be willing to apply
> even if they meet *most* [...] of those requirements.

I'm also inclined not to apply as soon as I see something on the 
requirements list in which I'm not proficient, but...

Out of desperation I once decided to apply for a job which required 
familiarity with the FileNet API, which was completely unknown to me at 
that time.  Because they couldn't find anyone else on short term, I got 
hired after I explained them that getting to know a new API is nothing 
special for a developer.  After looking at the FileNet API for an 
afternoon, I was able to incorporate it into the application, and before 
the week was over I knew every function in there.  And I guess that 
there are thousands of APIs and libraries out there that fit this 
scenario (although some are more complicated than others).

I'd say the requirement in the job listing was overstated.  They could 
have more response if they'd specified something as 'experience with, or 
willing and able to learn the FileNet API'.

Greetings,



-- 
"The ability of the OSS process to collect and harness
the collective IQ of thousands of individuals across
the Internet is simply amazing." - Vinod Valloppillil
http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween4.html

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  1 23:24:08 2009
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 14:24:08 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Pythonic Solar Energy ManufacturingTest Engineer job
	in Petaluma
Message-ID: <BAY111-W66AA7D22AFAAD3510FE53A02E0@phx.gbl>


[This one's from craigslist and it sounds dead cool. For any North-Bay people.
I have no idea who the company is; if any of you do, please tell us about their
software. Please no grief about the jobs posting policy. I just thought it sounded cool. - Stephen]
Solar Energy: Manufacturing Test Engineer (petaluma)http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/egr/1249002337.html

Growing North Bay solar module microinverter company has an immediate
opening for a Manufacturing Test Engineer. Our groundbreaking
technology has revolutionized the industry, and we are looking for the
right talent to help us expand. 




Responsibilities: 


Develop manufacturing test plans based on process and product specifications. 


Design and implement test programs in Python to automate manufacturing testing, with an emphasis on timeliness and quality. 

[etc]

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From aleax at google.com  Wed Jul  1 20:29:40 2009
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:29:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Perot at NASA - Sr. Python Developer
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:58 PM, <tpc247 at gmail.com> wrote:
   ...
> looking for my next opportunity.? Alex, normally I'd be inclined to agree
> with you, and given that I'm no longer gainfully employed, you'd think the
> last thing I'd try to do is burn my bridges or make powerful enemies, but I

It's OK, what fun would life be without some powerful enemies to spice it up;-).

I know perfectly well that Facebook has managed to attract a number of
my ex-colleagues, particularly because several of them are friends and
people I worked closely with -- and note what it implies: obviously
the Facebook recruiters and hiring managers were *NOT* such incredible
idiots as to require social networking API-level experience, or they
would have hired none of them (nor, presumably, would they have kept
head-hunting me so aggressively as they have).

So, your following analysis:

> have to say in light of the following fascinating article about the coming
> war between Google and Facebook, your response to Travis taking him to task
> for having social networking as a must seems to come off as a bit of a
> tantrum, if you'll allow me to use such a term with someone whose talks I've

appears to me to be incredibly superficial and so obviously flawed
that you would probably have saved yourself the embarrassment of
posting it, had you stopped for a second to reason about it. Just
THINK about it...:

1. there is something of a neighbors' rivalry between Google in
Mountain View and Facebook in Palo Alto,
2. in particular, Facebook has hired some strong technical people away
from Google
3. and of course Facebook is not an utter bunch of morons, so they did
NOT put "social networking API level experience" as a MUST in those
hires sub 2,
4. ...therefore, you claim, my entire agreement with Facebook's
policies on this point is a "kind of tantrum" against them?!?!?!

If I was putting together a tiny startup where absolutely everybody
MUST be able to cover absolutely every role (including user experience
design, user interface design, product management, etc, etc), from day
one and with no time at all to ramp up, I might, reluctantly, demand
as a MUST skill, familiarity, and experience with every one of these
aspects, and the vertical(s) in which the startup means to operate, as
well as every technology and tool that the startup means to use.
"Reluctantly" because by setting such a huge number and variety of
constraints I'd be no doubt excluding the vast majority of extremely
skilled and productive developer, because, as others have ably
reinforced, *MUST* means that missing even ONE of these qualifications
makes it absolutely impossible to hire the person (if it meant
anything else, it would *not* be a MUST).

Even in the tiniest startups I've ever worked in, I've never been in
such an absolutely dire situation -- indeed I could not possibly have
been, because any startup (or other company) requiring me to possess
any ability in designing graphical user interfaces, for example, could
definitely never hire me.

As long as the company has a couple of people who are qualified to
appropriately decide feature sets and user experience features (and,
of course, business model, market positioning, channels, etc -- not
necessarily the _same_ couple of people for all of these;-) there is
no need to deem it a MUST to have experience in specific verticals for
every hire -- that's also what invalidates Alec's defense of Perot
Systems (which is far from a tiny startup) and their recruiters: his
anecdote about inappropriate Twitter use would exclusively apply to a
company that had NO people at all with the ability to evaluate such
issues, it doesn't require for _every_ employee to be an expert in
them;-).

I believe my career shows off well how, in practice, a developer can
thrive and contribute solid achievements even while repeatedly
switching to new application areas (in each of which, every time, he
had no previous experience) -- apparently the recruiter in question
agrees, since (perhaps trying to mollify me?) in a private response he
says I "would qualify by a landslide". Well, if I'd qualify by a
landslide while violating one of their "MUST" conditions, then it
absolutely HAS to be wrong for them to express that condition as
"MUST" -- "you violate a MUST but of course you would still qualify"
is entirely absurd and self-contradictory.

As the same recruiter says more publicly, the purpose of the "MUST"s
is (supposed to be) to stop unqualified people from applying -- so
anybody who is missing even one absolutely has to be unqualified,
otherwise calling them "MUST" (instead of "highly desirable traits")
is utterly, totally WRONG.


Alex

From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 09:24:55 2009
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:24:55 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Perot at NASA - Sr. Python Developer
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One other issue to consider:

Maybe the ideal candidate exists.

And they know her.

And she needs an H1B.

And they 'made a good faith effort' to find someone in the U.S. with
the "required qualifications".

And they can now hire her.

From jjinux at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 09:44:46 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:44:46 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Book Suggestions?
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Fred C <fred at bsdhost.net> wrote:

>
> On Jun 30, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Stephen Cattaneo wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>>
>> I have a $50 gift certificate to amazon burning a hole in my pocket.
>> I'd like to pick up either a newb/intermediate Django book or an
>> intermediate/advanced general Python book.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> (I currently own a single Python book: "Python in a Nutshell.")
>>
>
> I enjoyed reading that book "Expert Python Programming: Best practices for
> designing, coding, and distributing your Python software"
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/184719494X/
>
> This is not a reference manual, you won't find the complete list of all the
> function with their parameters and return values. But it is very interesting
> and helpful for organising, optimising and writing clean code.


I'd have to agree.  I was the technical editor for that book, and I really
enjoyed reading it.

I'd also recommend "The Practice of Programming".  Although it isn't about
Python, it's short and extremely useful.  It was written by Kernighan and
Pike of UNIX fame.

Best Regards,
-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with
great love. -- Mother Teresa
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 09:50:54 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:50:54 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] July meeting at OSCON?
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> It's not yet clear whether we can get a space, but I've been told that
> OSCON does allow non-attendees to show up for BOF (birds of a feather)
> sessions. ?Before I greenlight on the OSCON side, can I get a quick show
> of sentiment for moving the July meeting to the San Jose Convention
> Center on Thursday 7/23?

Either way is fine with me.

-jj

--
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 10:25:21 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:55:21 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Book Suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <55028.1246390606@speakeasy.net>
References: <55028.1246390606@speakeasy.net>
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On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Sean Perry <shaleh at speakeasy.net> wrote:

> The Django docs and
> community are really good and moving pretty fast so any book would just be
> out of
> date too soon.
>

True. I feel django docs are good on this front.

OTOH, i learnt most of python from the docs and by reading online
blogs/articles and pycon presentations.

-V-
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From wescpy at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 09:27:20 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 00:27:20 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907040027l3dd61183g500f151cf1c13b74@mail.gmail.com>

one of the bummers to having our meetings the 4th thurs of each month
is that we'll eventually run into thanksgiving, of which there's no
getting around it this year that we'll either have to move it or more
likely, cancel it altogether. thoughts?

-- wesley

From jim at well.com  Sat Jul  4 18:36:24 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:36:24 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
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   the fourth thursday of december is the 24th, 
christmas eve. 

   the policy of cancelling suggests cancelling 
both november and december meetings. 
   the policy of moving the date requires getting 
permission from Symantek and additional advance 
notification to baypiggies and other groups that 
get baypiggies notices. 
   my guess is it's better to move than to cancel, 
and better the third thursday, if possible, or 
perhaps the first week in december (double duty, 
one meeting for the two months). 
   seems best to get info from Symantek before 
much more thinking at this point. 
jim 



On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 00:27 -0700, wesley chun wrote:
> one of the bummers to having our meetings the 4th thurs of each month
> is that we'll eventually run into thanksgiving, of which there's no
> getting around it this year that we'll either have to move it or more
> likely, cancel it altogether. thoughts?
> 
> -- wesley
> _______________________________________________
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat Jul  4 20:22:17 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:22:17 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
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On Sat, Jul 04, 2009, jim wrote:
>
> the policy of cancelling suggests cancelling both november and        
> december meetings.                                                    
>
> the policy of moving the date requires getting permission from        
> Symantek and additional advance notification to baypiggies and other  
> groups that get baypiggies notices.                                   

We might also be able to find another meeting location with sufficient
notice, perhaps even Google.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From jim at well.com  Sat Jul  4 21:19:35 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:19:35 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
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   (subject should probably read "cancel Nov 26 meeting?") 

   we've already got a proposal to move the location of the 
july 23 meeting. i worry about moving locations and times. 
   given that we're dealing with humans (the ones who seem 
not very good at being regular), it may be good to keep the 
same location; moving the date, making any change at all, 
seems to throw the community for a bit of a loop. the less 
we do such, the better, i think. 



On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 11:22 -0700, Aahz wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 04, 2009, jim wrote:
> >
> > the policy of cancelling suggests cancelling both november and        
> > december meetings.                                                    
> >
> > the policy of moving the date requires getting permission from        
> > Symantek and additional advance notification to baypiggies and other  
> > groups that get baypiggies notices.                                   
> 
> We might also be able to find another meeting location with sufficient
> notice, perhaps even Google.


From jjinux at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 03:44:31 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:44:31 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1246735175.6517.78.camel@jim-laptop>
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On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:19 PM, jim<jim at well.com> wrote:
> ? (subject should probably read "cancel Nov 26 meeting?")
>
> ? we've already got a proposal to move the location of the
> july 23 meeting. i worry about moving locations and times.
> ? given that we're dealing with humans (the ones who seem
> not very good at being regular), it may be good to keep the
> same location; moving the date, making any change at all,
> seems to throw the community for a bit of a loop. the less
> we do such, the better, i think.

I'd hate to skip two months in a row, and I agree that it's best to
keep our meeting location consistent.  Changing the date seems the
best option.  Tony, what are our options at Symantec?

Thanks,
-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Jul  5 17:12:25 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:12:25 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 2009 meeting?
In-Reply-To: <1246735175.6517.78.camel@jim-laptop>
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On Sat, Jul 04, 2009, jim wrote:
>
>    (subject should probably read "cancel Nov 26 meeting?") 

Maybe; it seems clearly to mean "Nov 2009", which I agree should have
been expanded.  (I have now done so.)

>    we've already got a proposal to move the location of the 
> july 23 meeting. i worry about moving locations and times. 
>    given that we're dealing with humans (the ones who seem 
> not very good at being regular), it may be good to keep the 
> same location; moving the date, making any change at all, 
> seems to throw the community for a bit of a loop. the less 
> we do such, the better, i think. 

You have a point, but we need to do something, and part of the reason
we're now on the fourth Thursday instead of the third is because Symantec
could not accomodate us on the third Thursday.  I think we should assume
that we need to move location any time we need to change the date.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 17:56:23 2009
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:56:23 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90907041844r277bd9eeo91a59ac556204316@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78b3a9580907040027l3dd61183g500f151cf1c13b74@mail.gmail.com>
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>  I'd hate to skip two months in a row, and I agree that it's best to
>  keep our meeting location consistent.  Changing the date seems the
>  best option.  Tony, what are our options at Symantec?

As far as changing dates in Nov & Dec? I don't know , I'll have to ask.
If I ask about changes, I'd like to do it once so I don't have to keep
bothering them.
Do we want to go to try for the third week for these two months?

From jim at well.com  Sun Jul  5 18:35:33 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:35:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
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's okay with me. what do others think (lots 
of others: please chime in with a +1 or -1)? 


On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 08:56 -0700, Tony Cappellini wrote:
> >  I'd hate to skip two months in a row, and I agree that it's best to
> >  keep our meeting location consistent.  Changing the date seems the
> >  best option.  Tony, what are our options at Symantec?
> 
> As far as changing dates in Nov & Dec? I don't know , I'll have to ask.
> If I ask about changes, I'd like to do it once so I don't have to keep
> bothering them.
> Do we want to go to try for the third week for these two months?
> 


From DennisR at dair.com  Sun Jul  5 23:46:30 2009
From: DennisR at dair.com (Dennis Reinhardt)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:46:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0907050856r54aab7cat38e0bc456322020f@mail.gmail.co
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>As far as changing dates in Nov & Dec? I don't know , I'll have to ask.
>If I ask about changes, I'd like to do it once so I don't have to keep
>bothering them.
>Do we want to go to try for the third week for these two months?

The way to do it once is change to the third Thursday permanently.

Dennis 


From jim at well.com  Mon Jul  6 01:20:06 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:20:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Brainstorming new talk ideas...
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Hi, Eddy, 
   It's possible that the bayPIGgies July 23 
meeting will be a talk on Django, possibly 
with multiple speakers each on a particular 
topic. If we go ahead with this, would you 
be able to help out with the databrowse part? 
hopefully, 
jim 
415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime 



On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 21:48 -0700, Eddy Mulyono wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> > I don't know the official schedule, but I imagine that our next BayPIGgies
> > meeting will be sharing "What I learned from PyCon."
> > However, for the May meeting, I'd like to pitch an idea. I'd like to see a
> > Django themed evening. I'm a big fan of Pylons and other frameworks -- in
> > fact, I want to learn more about them -- especially for larger scaled
> > systems. But, my bread and butter these days is Django and I am going deeper
> > and deeper into it. I also saw that Simeon and quite a few others do Django
> > work.
> > I could do an introductory talk (or handle a topic of interest), but I'd
> > like to see others do a more advanced subject. For example, Simeon mentioned
> > a profiling tool for Django (which I'd not used before and would like to
> > learn more about).
> > What do you think about a 'Django themed' evening? What topics are people
> > most interested in? Who else would be willing to speak?
> 
> I can chime in a bit about django.contrib.databrowse.
> 
> -Eddy
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From tony at tcapp.com  Mon Jul  6 02:55:24 2009
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:55:24 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
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When I originally asked Symantec for the third Thursday, they gave use
the fourth because of conflicts.


On 7/5/09, Dennis Reinhardt <DennisR at dair.com> wrote:
>
>
> > As far as changing dates in Nov & Dec? I don't know , I'll have to ask.
> > If I ask about changes, I'd like to do it once so I don't have to keep
> > bothering them.
> > Do we want to go to try for the third week for these two months?
> >
>
>  The way to do it once is change to the third Thursday permanently.
>
>  Dennis
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>  Baypiggies at python.org
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From wescpy at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 07:49:43 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:49:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
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on a tangential yet related note, the SF Python meetup/users group
switched its schedule when BayPIGgies changed from the 2nd to 4th
thursdays from the 4th to 2nd wednesdays of the month to accomodate.
if we changed it to the 3rd thursday, even for 2 months, this means
there will be meetings a week apart.

i suppose this is only really important for those who are actually
able to make it to both meetings but felt that i should point out this
fact anyway.

cheers,
-wesley

From lists at marcusphillips.com  Mon Jul  6 18:40:54 2009
From: lists at marcusphillips.com (Marcus Phillips)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 09:40:54 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] cancel Nov 09 meeting?
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Our August SF Python meetup is likely to be during the first week anyway due
to another scheduling issue.

Marcus


On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 10:49 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:

> on a tangential yet related note, the SF Python meetup/users group
> switched its schedule when BayPIGgies changed from the 2nd to 4th
> thursdays from the 4th to 2nd wednesdays of the month to accomodate.
> if we changed it to the 3rd thursday, even for 2 months, this means
> there will be meetings a week apart.
>
> i suppose this is only really important for those who are actually
> able to make it to both meetings but felt that i should point out this
> fact anyway.
>
> cheers,
> -wesley
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From jim at well.com  Tue Jul  7 18:02:30 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:02:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
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hi all, 
   we need newbie nuggets for the July and August 
meetings. (a newbie nugget is a short presentation 
on a single Python language (or lib or mod) feature 
or a coding technique that helps an experienced 
coder new to Python: five to ten minutes with at 
least one slide showing code.) 
   step right up! 
jim 



From wescpy at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 02:29:57 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:29:57 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON best rate ends tonite Tue 7/7
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907071729n7ece7964l33ac45b17aec6368@mail.gmail.com>

the best OSCON discount ends tonite. the basic discounts i've seen so
far are: user groups get 15% off, speakers can hand out a 20%
discount, but the Independence Day 40% discount is the best rate for
who are not students nor teachers! the standard registration fee of
~$1350 goes down to near ~$800.

this special offers expires tonite at midnite PDT. use coupon code
os09jul4 ... shortcut to reg page: http://bit.ly/iwCts

-wesley
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"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From daryl.spitzer at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 05:02:05 2009
From: daryl.spitzer at gmail.com (Daryl Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:02:05 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tweet from O'Reilly Media (@OReillyMedia)
In-Reply-To: <FE2667F7-221E-48A0-959B-56E43F60EF1B@gmail.com>
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http://twitter.com/OReillyMedia/status/2521959096

"RT @SuzAxtell: OK, this is too cute! Bay Area PythonGroup
(BayPIGgies) sends a video thank you to @oreillymedia
http://bit.ly/2N1lK?Aww"
- O'Reilly Media (@OReillyMedia)

From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 08:55:01 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 23:55:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tweet from O'Reilly Media (@OReillyMedia)
In-Reply-To: <fbf2758a0907072002r612dfc1kc483a94b97ae6f80@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Daryl Spitzer<daryl.spitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://twitter.com/OReillyMedia/status/2521959096
>
> "RT @SuzAxtell: OK, this is too cute! Bay Area PythonGroup
> (BayPIGgies) sends a video thank you to @oreillymedia
> http://bit.ly/2N1lK?Aww"
> - O'Reilly Media (@OReillyMedia)

Nice job, guys ;)

-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul  8 20:00:39 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:00:39 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
Message-ID: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>

Wes Chun has a "What is Python?" BoF scheduled for 7-8pm Thurs 7/23 at
OSCON.  Would people prefer keeping the BayPIGgies starting time at
7:30pm or moving our meeting to 8-9:30pm so that people attending Wes's
BoF can also attend BayPIGgies?
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From wescpy at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 20:32:19 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:32:19 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907081132g7e758fa9l944fdce2cc64cd8e@mail.gmail.com>

> Wes Chun has a "What is Python?" BoF scheduled for 7-8pm Thurs 7/23 at
> OSCON. ?Would people prefer keeping the BayPIGgies starting time at
> 7:30pm or moving our meeting to 8-9:30pm so that people attending Wes's
> BoF can also attend BayPIGgies?


one of aahz's main reasons for doing this is to help grow the
community... after i hypnotize them, we can bring them into the fold
and start serving more kool-aid. :-) plus i may need some of you who
show up early to help answer questions from the Perl, PHP, and Ruby
refugees.

the other reason is that O'Reilly has suggested holding BayPIGgies in
the same room as the BoF so that people are locked in with nowhere to
go but BayPIGgies as soon as the BoF is over!

anyway, i wasn't as forward-thinking as aahz in trying to
coordinate... i was just going to do the BoF separately then wander
over to BayPIGgies afterwards, so i'm cool with whatever ppl decide.

cheers,
-- wes
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Python Web Development with Django", Addison Wesley, (c) 2009
http://withdjango.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From almir at kiberpipa.org  Wed Jul  8 22:16:04 2009
From: almir at kiberpipa.org (Almir Karic)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:16:04 +0200
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907081132g7e758fa9l944fdce2cc64cd8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907081132g7e758fa9l944fdce2cc64cd8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090708201603.GZ18250@vm04.kiberpipa.org>

On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:32:19AM -0700, wesley chun wrote:
> > Wes Chun has a "What is Python?" BoF scheduled for 7-8pm Thurs 7/23 at
> > OSCON. ?Would people prefer keeping the BayPIGgies starting time at
> > 7:30pm or moving our meeting to 8-9:30pm so that people attending Wes's
> > BoF can also attend BayPIGgies?
> 
> 
> one of aahz's main reasons for doing this is to help grow the
> community... after i hypnotize them, we can bring them into the fold
> and start serving more kool-aid. :-) plus i may need some of you who
> show up early to help answer questions from the Perl, PHP, and Ruby
> refugees.
> 
> the other reason is that O'Reilly has suggested holding BayPIGgies in
> the same room as the BoF so that people are locked in with nowhere to
> go but BayPIGgies as soon as the BoF is over!

i think this is a very good idea :-)

From tony at tcapp.com  Thu Jul  9 06:30:17 2009
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:30:17 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is anyone interested in a presentation on Parrot at
	BayPiggies?
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>

Allison Randal gave a very presentation on the Parrot VM tonight at ACCU.
http://www.parrot.org/

She said she would be very interested in doing a presentation for BayPiggies.

Is there enough interest to get her scheduled for the upcoming months?
She's not local to the Bay Area but does travel here for work.

Reply with the usual +1 or -1

Thanks

From Chris.Clark at ingres.com  Thu Jul  9 09:24:48 2009
From: Chris.Clark at ingres.com (Chris M. Clark)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:24:48 -0400
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is anyone interested in a presentation on Parrot
	atBayPiggies?
References: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABB90CDC9A08FF49851AC42557795A18038A607C@USINVMAILB01.ingres.prv>

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From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 11:26:16 2009
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 02:26:16 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is anyone interested in a presentation on Parrot
	atBayPiggies?
In-Reply-To: <ABB90CDC9A08FF49851AC42557795A18038A607C@USINVMAILB01.ingres.prv>
References: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<ABB90CDC9A08FF49851AC42557795A18038A607C@USINVMAILB01.ingres.prv>
Message-ID: <b8c6f6c40907090226k2930d87aqdcc7b4ab8b73d9a1@mail.gmail.com>

+1 from me, especially if told that a 'highly technical' talk would be
good.  I'ld love to see bytecodes on the screen instead of block
diagrams.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Chris M. Clark<Chris.Clark at ingres.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Jul  9 14:35:31 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:35:31 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is anyone interested in a presentation on Parrot
	at BayPiggies?
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090709123531.GA28168@panix.com>

On Wed, Jul 08, 2009, Tony Cappellini wrote:
>
> Allison Randal gave a very presentation on the Parrot VM tonight at ACCU.
> http://www.parrot.org/
> 
> She said she would be very interested in doing a presentation for BayPiggies.

+1, of course.  It's not precisely topical for BayPIGgies because AFAICT
there is currently zero work being done on a Python front-end for Parrot,
but maybe we could combine it with presentations on PyPy and Unladen
Swallow.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Jul  9 14:37:20 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:37:20 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com>

On Wed, Jul 08, 2009, Aahz wrote:
>
> Wes Chun has a "What is Python?" BoF scheduled for 7-8pm Thurs 7/23 at
> OSCON.  Would people prefer keeping the BayPIGgies starting time at
> 7:30pm or moving our meeting to 8-9:30pm so that people attending Wes's
> BoF can also attend BayPIGgies?

Unless someone objects by midnight tonight (Thursday), I'll tell the
OSCON people to schedule BayPIGgies for 8-9:30pm Thurs 7/23 in the same
room as Wes's BoF -- that should give us enough time to make
announcements.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From tony at tcapp.com  Thu Jul  9 16:39:31 2009
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:39:31 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is anyone interested in a presentation on Parrot
	at BayPiggies?
In-Reply-To: <20090709123531.GA28168@panix.com>
References: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090709123531.GA28168@panix.com>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0907090739o25b926f6pc1feb5b7acd05109@mail.gmail.com>

> +1, of course.  It's not precisely topical for BayPIGgies because AFAICT
>  there is currently zero work being done on a Python front-end for Parrot,
According to he presentation last night, PArrot supports a minimal
implementation of Python 3 at the moment

>  but maybe we could combine it with presentations on PyPy and Unladen
>  Swallow.

ahd there has been some talk with the group working on Unladen Swallow as well.

From jim at well.com  Thu Jul  9 16:44:27 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:44:27 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is anyone interested in a presentation on Parrot
	at BayPiggies?
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1247150667.6434.13.camel@jim-laptop>


+1

On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 21:30 -0700, Tony Cappellini wrote:
> Allison Randal gave a very presentation on the Parrot VM tonight at ACCU.
> http://www.parrot.org/
> 
> She said she would be very interested in doing a presentation for BayPiggies.
> 
> Is there enough interest to get her scheduled for the upcoming months?
> She's not local to the Bay Area but does travel here for work.
> 
> Reply with the usual +1 or -1
> 
> Thanks
> 


From tony at tcapp.com  Thu Jul  9 16:47:11 2009
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:47:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0907090747g68c2bb1ak54b5f0a2992974a6@mail.gmail.com>

On the same thought, I need to let Symantec know that we wont be
needing their facility
on that day.


On 7/9/09, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 08, 2009, Aahz wrote:
>  >
>  > Wes Chun has a "What is Python?" BoF scheduled for 7-8pm Thurs 7/23 at
>  > OSCON.  Would people prefer keeping the BayPIGgies starting time at
>  > 7:30pm or moving our meeting to 8-9:30pm so that people attending Wes's
>  > BoF can also attend BayPIGgies?
>
>
> Unless someone objects by midnight tonight (Thursday), I'll tell the
>  OSCON people to schedule BayPIGgies for 8-9:30pm Thurs 7/23 in the same
>  room as Wes's BoF -- that should give us enough time to make
>  announcements.
>
> --
>  Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
>  "as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha
>  _______________________________________________
>  Baypiggies mailing list
>  Baypiggies at python.org
>  To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From knupp at well.com  Thu Jul  9 17:07:36 2009
From: knupp at well.com (David Knupp)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:07:36 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is anyone interested in a presentation on Parrot
	at BayPiggies?
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3CD45BFF-D961-4FD8-B5CB-565AAC5E8047@well.com>

+1


On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote:

> Allison Randal gave a very presentation on the Parrot VM tonight at  
> ACCU.
> http://www.parrot.org/
>
> She said she would be very interested in doing a presentation for  
> BayPiggies.
>
> Is there enough interest to get her scheduled for the upcoming months?
> She's not local to the Bay Area but does travel here for work.
>
> Reply with the usual +1 or -1
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>


From d_berthelot at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 10 02:03:33 2009
From: d_berthelot at yahoo.com (David Berthelot)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:03:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
Message-ID: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Ok, I'm trying to send some python objects from one Python process to another, on the same machine.

The problem is well defined and simple:
1. There are only 2 processes: 1 is always waiting, 1 is always sending.
2. As soon as a datastructure is fully sent by process1, process2 must receive it immediately (I mean there must be no buffering)
3. The processes can be given some data when they start (for example a port or something of that nature, or a filename).
4. They're on the same machine

So technically I'd like to do:
Process1: data = ((1,2,"abc",{d:"ef"}),2)
                send(data)

Process2: data = receive(); 
                print data # And here you get the data sent by process1 (and note it's a python object, tuple, dict ...)

I'd like to know if there's an elegant way to do this in Python, I did a google search but I keep running into server/clients for exchanging HTTP or other internet stuff which is not really what I'm looking for.

Thanks,

David



      
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From luca.pellicoro at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 02:30:06 2009
From: luca.pellicoro at gmail.com (Luca Pellicoro)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:30:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b16f77670907091730k782cd3ddy5e1d9146c7f85080@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

I see two options (which can be combined):
- Pickle the object into a file and send over the file name
- Use the xmlrpc library to communicate between the two processes

Let me know if you need examples of these.

And I'm sure there's more...

- Luca



On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:03 PM, David Berthelot<d_berthelot at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ok, I'm trying to send some python objects from one Python process to
> another, on the same machine.
>
> The problem is well defined and simple:
> 1. There are only 2 processes: 1 is always waiting, 1 is always sending.
> 2. As soon as a datastructure is fully sent by process1, process2 must
> receive it immediately (I mean there must be no buffering)
> 3. The processes can be given some data when they start (for example a port
> or something of that nature, or a filename).
> 4. They're on the same machine
>
> So technically I'd like to do:
> Process1: data = ((1,2,"abc",{d:"ef"}),2)
> ??????????????? send(data)
>
> Process2: data = receive();
> ??????????????? print data # And here you get the data sent by process1 (and
> note it's a python object, tuple, dict ...)
>
> I'd like to know if there's an elegant way to do this in Python, I did a
> google search but I keep running into server/clients for exchanging HTTP or
> other internet stuff which is not really what I'm looking for.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From max at SlimmerSoft.com  Fri Jul 10 02:40:10 2009
From: max at SlimmerSoft.com (Max Slimmer)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:40:10 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
 python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A568DEA.3090802@SlimmerSoft.com>

try using queues standard module Queue.
max

David Berthelot wrote:
> Ok, I'm trying to send some python objects from one Python process to 
> another, on the same machine.
> 
> The problem is well defined and simple:
> 1. There are only 2 processes: 1 is always waiting, 1 is always sending.
> 2. As soon as a datastructure is fully sent by process1, process2 must 
> receive it immediately (I mean there must be no buffering)
> 3. The processes can be given some data when they start (for example a 
> port or something of that nature, or a filename).
> 4. They're on the same machine
> 
> So technically I'd like to do:
> Process1: data = ((1,2,"abc",{d:"ef"}),2)
>                 send(data)
> 
> Process2: data = receive();
>                 print data # And here you get the data sent by process1 
> (and note it's a python object, tuple, dict ...)
> 
> I'd like to know if there's an elegant way to do this in Python, I did a 
> google search but I keep running into server/clients for exchanging HTTP 
> or other internet stuff which is not really what I'm looking for.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

-- 
Max Slimmer

Phone: 707.703.4396
Toll Free: 866.428.8490
email: max at SlimmerSoft.com

From joshua.gallagher at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 02:40:44 2009
From: joshua.gallagher at gmail.com (Joshua Gallagher)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:40:44 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9bb4e5be0907091740o4d9a8a05taa9ed1f6bd128164@mail.gmail.com>

You running on Unix?  A named pipe sounds like just what you need.
os.mkfifo()
Then, open it for read from process 1.  Next, open it for write in
process 2.  Write some data from process 2 and immediately read it
from process 1.

Reference:
http://docs.python.org/library/os.html

Joshua

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:03 PM, David Berthelot<d_berthelot at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ok, I'm trying to send some python objects from one Python process to
> another, on the same machine.
>
> The problem is well defined and simple:
> 1. There are only 2 processes: 1 is always waiting, 1 is always sending.
> 2. As soon as a datastructure is fully sent by process1, process2 must
> receive it immediately (I mean there must be no buffering)
> 3. The processes can be given some data when they start (for example a port
> or something of that nature, or a filename).
> 4. They're on the same machine
>
> So technically I'd like to do:
> Process1: data = ((1,2,"abc",{d:"ef"}),2)
> ??????????????? send(data)
>
> Process2: data = receive();
> ??????????????? print data # And here you get the data sent by process1 (and
> note it's a python object, tuple, dict ...)
>
> I'd like to know if there's an elegant way to do this in Python, I did a
> google search but I keep running into server/clients for exchanging HTTP or
> other internet stuff which is not really what I'm looking for.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From keith at dartworks.biz  Fri Jul 10 03:03:42 2009
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:03:42 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
 python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090709180342.109a1142@dartworks.biz>

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:03:33 -0700 (PDT)
David Berthelot <d_berthelot at yahoo.com> wrote:

> So technically I'd like to do:Process1: data =
> ((1,2,"abc",{d:"ef"}),2)??????????????? send(data)Process2: data =
> receive(); ??????????????? print data # And here you get the data
> sent by process1 (and note it's a python object, tuple, dict ...)


Take a look at Pyro (http://pyro.sourceforge.net/). You can write your
own socket interface with serialized data transfer (pickled), but Pyro
already does that for you. It does, however, have some overhead of its
own and might be overkill for what you are doing. But you can decide.
Since it also allows communication between different machines you can
also grow with it. It does require (or work best with) a name server,
which you have to set up. I recently integrated it better into Pycopia.
You can find the Gentoo server startup scripts here:

http://code.google.com/p/pycopia/source/browse/#svn/trunk/QA/etc/init.d/gentoo

Some example usage is here:

http://code.google.com/p/pycopia/source/browse/#svn/trunk/QA/pycopia/remote

(you can remote control a Windows machine from a Linux machine with
it :-) )


Another possibility is using a shared persistent storage with Durus,
which already also has an efficient client-server system with built-in
pickling.


-- 
-- --------------------
Keith Dart
<keith at dartworks.biz>
=======================

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jul 10 03:57:14 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:57:14 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between
	two	python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090710015714.GA779@panix.com>

On Thu, Jul 09, 2009, David Berthelot wrote:
>
> Ok, I'm trying to send some python objects from one Python process to another, on the same machine.
> 
> The problem is well defined and simple:
> 1. There are only 2 processes: 1 is always waiting, 1 is always sending.
> 2. As soon as a datastructure is fully sent by process1, process2 must receive it immediately (I mean there must be no buffering)
> 3. The processes can be given some data when they start (for example a port or something of that nature, or a filename).
> 4. They're on the same machine

http://docs.python.org/library/multiprocessing.html
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From keith at dartworks.biz  Fri Jul 10 04:20:24 2009
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 19:20:24 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
 python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <20090710015714.GA779@panix.com>
References: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<20090710015714.GA779@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20090709192024.3ce61551@dartworks.biz>

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:57:14 -0700
Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> http://docs.python.org/library/multiprocessing.html

Hey, that's really cool. :-o Just what I wanted for Christmas...


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From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 05:41:23 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:41:23 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <20090709192024.3ce61551@dartworks.biz>
References: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<20090710015714.GA779@panix.com>
	<20090709192024.3ce61551@dartworks.biz>
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On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Keith Dart<keith at dartworks.biz> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:57:14 -0700
> Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>
>> http://docs.python.org/library/multiprocessing.html
>
> Hey, that's really cool. :-o Just what I wanted for Christmas...

I agree that Pyro and the multiprocessing module are the two best options.

Best Regards,
-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 05:42:00 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:42:00 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is anyone interested in a presentation on Parrot
	at BayPiggies?
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0907082130y29cdd007l564fd60c334433b7@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Tony Cappellini<tony at tcapp.com> wrote:
> Allison Randal gave a very presentation on the Parrot VM tonight at ACCU.
> http://www.parrot.org/
>
> She said she would be very interested in doing a presentation for BayPiggies.
>
> Is there enough interest to get her scheduled for the upcoming months?
> She's not local to the Bay Area but does travel here for work.
>
> Reply with the usual +1 or -1

+1

-jj

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From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 05:47:18 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:47:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com>
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On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 08, 2009, Aahz wrote:
>>
>> Wes Chun has a "What is Python?" BoF scheduled for 7-8pm Thurs 7/23 at
>> OSCON. ?Would people prefer keeping the BayPIGgies starting time at
>> 7:30pm or moving our meeting to 8-9:30pm so that people attending Wes's
>> BoF can also attend BayPIGgies?
>
> Unless someone objects by midnight tonight (Thursday), I'll tell the
> OSCON people to schedule BayPIGgies for 8-9:30pm Thurs 7/23 in the same
> room as Wes's BoF -- that should give us enough time to make
> announcements.

Sounds fine to me.

-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jul 10 18:35:42 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:35:42 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com>
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On Thu, Jul 09, 2009, Aahz wrote:
> 
> Unless someone objects by midnight tonight (Thursday), I'll tell the
> OSCON people to schedule BayPIGgies for 8-9:30pm Thurs 7/23 in the same
> room as Wes's BoF -- that should give us enough time to make
> announcements.

Posted to c.l.py and c.l.py.announce -- would someone please update the
website and include a note about Wes's BoF in addition to the meeting
itself?
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From janssen at parc.com  Fri Jul 10 18:58:45 2009
From: janssen at parc.com (Bill Janssen)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:58:45 PDT
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43480.1247245125@parc.com>

David Berthelot <d_berthelot at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ok, I'm trying to send some python objects from one Python process to another, on the same machine.

Try "mmap", for inter-process, and "Queue", for intra-process (between
threads).  Both in the standard library.  Probably want to pickle the
data before writing it -- use a Pickler on the write side, and an
Unpickler on the read side.

Bill

From harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 19:21:31 2009
From: harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com (Harish Mallipeddi)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:51:31 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <43480.1247245125@parc.com>
References: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<43480.1247245125@parc.com>
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com> wrote:

> David Berthelot <d_berthelot at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok, I'm trying to send some python objects from one Python process to
> another, on the same machine.
>
> Try "mmap", for inter-process, and "Queue", for intra-process (between
> threads).  Both in the standard library.  Probably want to pickle the
> data before writing it -- use a Pickler on the write side, and an
> Unpickler on the read side.
>

You could also use "processing" to exchange objects between processes.

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing

-- 
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jul 10 19:29:23 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:29:23 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between
	two	python processes on the same machine ?
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009, Harish Mallipeddi wrote:
>
> You could also use "processing" to exchange objects between processes.
> 
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing

That's the same thing as the module multiprocessing, for versions of
Python prior to 2.6.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 19:37:43 2009
From: harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com (Harish Mallipeddi)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:07:43 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009, Harish Mallipeddi wrote:
> >
> > You could also use "processing" to exchange objects between processes.
> >
> > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing
>
> That's the same thing as the module multiprocessing, for versions of
> Python prior to 2.6.
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>
> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>

My bad - didn't read the entire thread before answering :)

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From d_berthelot at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 10 19:40:49 2009
From: d_berthelot at yahoo.com (David Berthelot)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
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Thanks for all the answers, I forgot to mention that the speed of transfer between processes is an import factor, so hard-disk files are out of the question.

So I'm going to look into 3 proposed solutions:
1. mmap [+ cpickle]
2. processing
3. xmlrpc (this one is least clear to me, it looks like it needs some server to run, I just need to look more into it).

Thanks,

David




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From: Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>
To: baypiggies at python.org
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 10:29:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two python processes on the same machine ?

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009, Harish Mallipeddi wrote:
>
> You could also use "processing" to exchange objects between processes.
> 
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing

That's the same thing as the module multiprocessing, for versions of
Python prior to 2.6.
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jul 10 19:41:14 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:41:14 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between
	two	python processes on the same machine ?
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009, Harish Mallipeddi wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009, Harish Mallipeddi wrote:
>>>
>>> You could also use "processing" to exchange objects between processes.
>>>
>>> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing
>>
>> That's the same thing as the module multiprocessing, for versions of
>> Python prior to 2.6.
> 
> My bad - didn't read the entire thread before answering :)

Not a problem -- it's good for people to know what PyPI download
corresponds to Python modules not available in their versions.  I just
didn't bother searching PyPI myself.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From riazrizvi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 20:35:00 2009
From: riazrizvi at gmail.com (Riaz Rizvi)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:35:00 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between
	two	python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10663.1247247651.8014.baypiggies@python.org>
References: <mailman.10663.1247247651.8014.baypiggies@python.org>
Message-ID: <940AFB5F-C6CA-4B7E-AD87-466F4E0DC4F9@gmail.com>

Here's an XMLRPC quick start:

1. Type this in a new python script called pyserve.py

from SimpleXMLRPCServer import SimpleXMLRPCServer
from SimpleXMLRPCServer import SimpleXMLRPCRequestHandler

# Restrict to a particular path.
class RequestHandler(SimpleXMLRPCRequestHandler):
     rpc_paths = ('/RPC2',)

# Create server
server = SimpleXMLRPCServer(("localhost", 8001),
                             requestHandler=RequestHandler)
server.register_introspection_functions()

x_to_y_buffer=[]
def send_fromxtoy(x):
	global x_to_y_buffer
	x_to_y_buffer.append(x)
	return len(x_to_y_buffer)

server.register_function(send_fromxtoy, 'send_fromxtoy')

def receive_fromxtoy():
	global x_to_y_buffer
	if len(x_to_y_buffer):
		return True,x_to_y_buffer.pop(0)
	else:
		return False,0

server.register_function(receive_fromxtoy, 'receive_fromxtoy')

# Run the server's main loop
server.serve_forever()

2. Run that script from your machine's command prompt:
	>>> python pyserve.py

3. Start interactive sessions to test your data exchanger:
 From a second command prompt run ipython and type
	In [1]: import xmlrpclib
  	In [2]: xmlrpclib.ServerProxy('http://localhost: 
8001').send_fromxtoy('hello1')
  	In [3]: xmlrpclib.ServerProxy('http://localhost: 
8001').send_fromxtoy('hello2')

 From a third command prompt run ipython and type
	In [1]: import xmlrpclib
  	In [2]: xmlrpclib.ServerProxy('http://localhost: 
8001').receive_fromxtoy()
  	In [3]: xmlrpclib.ServerProxy('http://localhost: 
8001').receive_fromxtoy()
  	In [4]: xmlrpclib.ServerProxy('http://localhost: 
8001').receive_fromxtoy()

(To be clear an xmlrpc 'server' is just another process whose only job  
is to send and receive stuff. You will put the send/receive calls, of  
step 3, in the two processes you have already written).

See also http://docs.python.org/library/simplexmlrpcserver.html

Riaz

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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:35:42 -0700
> From: Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
> Message-ID: <20090710163542.GB16853 at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> On Thu, Jul 09, 2009, Aahz wrote:
>>
>> Unless someone objects by midnight tonight (Thursday), I'll tell the
>> OSCON people to schedule BayPIGgies for 8-9:30pm Thurs 7/23 in the  
>> same
>> room as Wes's BoF -- that should give us enough time to make
>> announcements.
>
> Posted to c.l.py and c.l.py.announce -- would someone please update  
> the
> website and include a note about Wes's BoF in addition to the meeting
> itself?
> -- 
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." -- 
> piranha
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:58:45 PDT
> From: Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com>
> To: David Berthelot <d_berthelot at yahoo.com>
> Cc: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects
> 	between two	python processes on the same machine ?
> Message-ID: <43480.1247245125 at parc.com>
>
> David Berthelot <d_berthelot at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, I'm trying to send some python objects from one Python process  
>> to another, on the same machine.
>
> Try "mmap", for inter-process, and "Queue", for intra-process (between
> threads).  Both in the standard library.  Probably want to pickle the
> data before writing it -- use a Pickler on the write side, and an
> Unpickler on the read side.
>
> Bill
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:51:31 +0530
> From: Harish Mallipeddi <harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com>
> To: Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com>
> Cc: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects
> 	between two	python processes on the same machine ?
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Bill Janssen <janssen at parc.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> David Berthelot <d_berthelot at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, I'm trying to send some python objects from one Python process  
>>> to
>> another, on the same machine.
>>
>> Try "mmap", for inter-process, and "Queue", for intra-process  
>> (between
>> threads).  Both in the standard library.  Probably want to pickle the
>> data before writing it -- use a Pickler on the write side, and an
>> Unpickler on the read side.
>>
>
> You could also use "processing" to exchange objects between processes.
>
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing
>
> -- 
> Harish Mallipeddi
> http://blog.poundbang.in
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> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009, Harish Mallipeddi wrote:
>>
>> You could also use "processing" to exchange objects between  
>> processes.
>>
>> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing
>
> That's the same thing as the module multiprocessing, for versions of
> Python prior to 2.6.
> -- 
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." -- 
> piranha
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:07:43 +0530
> From: Harish Mallipeddi <harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com>
> To: Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>
> Cc: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects
> 	between two	python processes on the same machine ?
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009, Harish Mallipeddi wrote:
>>>
>>> You could also use "processing" to exchange objects between  
>>> processes.
>>>
>>> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing
>>
>> That's the same thing as the module multiprocessing, for versions of
>> Python prior to 2.6.
>> --
>> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>
>> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>>
>
> My bad - didn't read the entire thread before answering :)
>
> -- 
> Harish Mallipeddi
> http://blog.poundbang.in
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> To: Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>, baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks for all the answers, I forgot to mention that the speed of  
> transfer between processes is an import factor, so hard-disk files  
> are out of the question.
>
> So I'm going to look into 3 proposed solutions:
> 1. mmap [+ cpickle]
> 2. processing
> 3. xmlrpc (this one is least clear to me, it looks like it needs  
> some server to run, I just need to look more into it).
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 10:29:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects  
> between two python processes on the same machine ?
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009, Harish Mallipeddi wrote:
>>
>> You could also use "processing" to exchange objects between  
>> processes.
>>
>> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing
>
> That's the same thing as the module multiprocessing, for versions of
> Python prior to 2.6.
> -- 
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>        http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." -- 
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 23:50:17 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:50:17 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <592466.96345.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <651063.68531.qm@web57614.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<43480.1247245125@parc.com>
	<e01b80590907101021m7d55d860m461f3f2d32b2f3a6@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:40 AM, David Berthelot<d_berthelot at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks for all the answers, I forgot to mention that the speed of transfer
> between processes is an import factor, so hard-disk files are out of the
> question.
>
> So I'm going to look into 3 proposed solutions:
> 1. mmap [+ cpickle]
> 2. processing
> 3. xmlrpc (this one is least clear to me, it looks like it needs some server
> to run, I just need to look more into it).

I thought Pyro was way faster than XML-RPC.

-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From janssen at parc.com  Sat Jul 11 05:17:39 2009
From: janssen at parc.com (Bill Janssen)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:17:39 PDT
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <940AFB5F-C6CA-4B7E-AD87-466F4E0DC4F9@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.10663.1247247651.8014.baypiggies@python.org>
	<940AFB5F-C6CA-4B7E-AD87-466F4E0DC4F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49843.1247282259@parc.com>

But why all the complexity, marshalling, networking, etc., of XML-RPC?
I'd probably use multiprocessing, and a Pipe, and let that module worry
about efficiency (like the use of mmap).

Bill

From d_berthelot at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 11 05:29:20 2009
From: d_berthelot at yahoo.com (David Berthelot)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:29:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
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Finally here's the solution I adopted.

1. I created a os.pipe()
2. I simply spawned the 2 processes from python, and passed  them the pipe fileno() as arguments.

Since the filenos were inherited then I could use them to exchange data. Since I'm mostly exchanging numeric arrays, I use the array class to pass binary data between them.

Thanks for all your suggestions,

David



      
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 08:37:26 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:37:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help ! How to exchange python objects between two
	python processes on the same machine ?
In-Reply-To: <41285.29702.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.10663.1247247651.8014.baypiggies@python.org>
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	<41285.29702.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90907102337m23ed92f2hcf8fb58de5a96772@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:29 PM, David Berthelot<d_berthelot at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Finally here's the solution I adopted.
>
> 1. I created a os.pipe()
> 2. I simply spawned the 2 processes from python, and passed? them the pipe
> fileno() as arguments.
>
> Since the filenos were inherited then I could use them to exchange data.
> Since I'm mostly exchanging numeric arrays, I use the array class to pass
> binary data between them.
>
> Thanks for all your suggestions,

Old school.  I love it ;)

-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From wescpy at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 09:43:58 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:43:58 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <20090710163542.GB16853@panix.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com> <20090710163542.GB16853@panix.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907110043k2dbafde8oc28e96cdb60fe1b5@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 09, 2009, Aahz wrote:
>> Unless someone objects by midnight tonight (Thursday), I'll tell the
>> OSCON people to schedule BayPIGgies for 8-9:30pm Thurs 7/23 in the same
>> room as Wes's BoF -- that should give us enough time to make
>> announcements.
>
> Posted to c.l.py and c.l.py.announce -- would someone please update the
> website and include a note about Wes's BoF in addition to the meeting
> itself?


if anyone wants/needs a pointer to forward to friends/colleagues that
you want to send to my BoF so i can brainw^H^H^H^H^Hintroduce them to
Python and soften them up for you guys, pass on this one -- it even
has the room location that both events will take place in:

http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10214

someone, donna(?), william(?), would still need to add it to the web page.

-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From jim at well.com  Sat Jul 11 19:19:49 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:19:49 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907110043k2dbafde8oc28e96cdb60fe1b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com> <20090710163542.GB16853@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907110043k2dbafde8oc28e96cdb60fe1b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1247332789.6478.62.camel@jim-laptop>



"both events" == your 7 PM talk and the 8 PM 
baypiggies meeting, both in room B2? 

assuming so, does the OSCON web site have info 
anywhere re the baypiggies meeting? how to 
follow up? 
with thanks, 
jim 



On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 00:43 -0700, wesley chun wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 09, 2009, Aahz wrote:
> >> Unless someone objects by midnight tonight (Thursday), I'll tell the
> >> OSCON people to schedule BayPIGgies for 8-9:30pm Thurs 7/23 in the same
> >> room as Wes's BoF -- that should give us enough time to make
> >> announcements.
> >
> > Posted to c.l.py and c.l.py.announce -- would someone please update the
> > website and include a note about Wes's BoF in addition to the meeting
> > itself?
> 
> 
> if anyone wants/needs a pointer to forward to friends/colleagues that
> you want to send to my BoF so i can brainw^H^H^H^H^Hintroduce them to
> Python and soften them up for you guys, pass on this one -- it even
> has the room location that both events will take place in:
> 
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10214
> 
> someone, donna(?), william(?), would still need to add it to the web page.
> 
> -- wesley
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
> "Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
>     http://corepython.com
> 
> wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
> python training and technical consulting
> cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
> http://cyberwebconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> 


From tony at tcapp.com  Sat Jul 11 20:45:42 2009
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:45:42 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <1247332789.6478.62.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com> <20090710163542.GB16853@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907110043k2dbafde8oc28e96cdb60fe1b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1247332789.6478.62.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0907111145s7db9ef17j360782d741d8c5e5@mail.gmail.com>

Yes- both are in the same room.
Both are on the OSCON website. I checked last night

On 7/11/09, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>
>  "both events" == your 7 PM talk and the 8 PM
>  baypiggies meeting, both in room B2?
>
>  assuming so, does the OSCON web site have info
>  anywhere re the baypiggies meeting? how to
>  follow up?
>  with thanks,
>
> jim
>
>
>
>
>  On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 00:43 -0700, wesley chun wrote:
>  > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>  > > On Thu, Jul 09, 2009, Aahz wrote:
>  > >> Unless someone objects by midnight tonight (Thursday), I'll tell the
>  > >> OSCON people to schedule BayPIGgies for 8-9:30pm Thurs 7/23 in the same
>  > >> room as Wes's BoF -- that should give us enough time to make
>  > >> announcements.
>  > >
>  > > Posted to c.l.py and c.l.py.announce -- would someone please update the
>  > > website and include a note about Wes's BoF in addition to the meeting
>  > > itself?
>  >
>  >
>  > if anyone wants/needs a pointer to forward to friends/colleagues that
>  > you want to send to my BoF so i can brainw^H^H^H^H^Hintroduce them to
>  > Python and soften them up for you guys, pass on this one -- it even
>  > has the room location that both events will take place in:
>  >
>  > http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10214
>  >
>  > someone, donna(?), william(?), would still need to add it to the web page.
>  >
>  > -- wesley
>  > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>  > "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
>  > "Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
>  >     http://corepython.com
>  >
>  > wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
>  > python training and technical consulting
>  > cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
>  > http://cyberwebconsulting.com
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > Baypiggies mailing list
>  > Baypiggies at python.org
>  > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>  >
>
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From wescpy at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 06:00:03 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:00:03 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0907111145s7db9ef17j360782d741d8c5e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com> <20090710163542.GB16853@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907110043k2dbafde8oc28e96cdb60fe1b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1247332789.6478.62.camel@jim-laptop>
	<8249c4ac0907111145s7db9ef17j360782d741d8c5e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907112100n484e4ebambc82b125257534a5@mail.gmail.com>

to make things easiest logistically, i would suggest everyone that
plans to attend thursday evening to register for a free expo pass...
it'll let u get into the BOFs as well as a bunch of other events:

http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/stype/BoF

best of all, you'll get to avoid any confrontation with the thugs
guarding the doors who will be looking for some sort of conference
badge around your necks since 95% of them would not have been told
that BOFs do not require conference registration.

-wesley

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Tony Cappellini<tony at tcapp.com> wrote:
> Yes- both are in the same room.
> Both are on the OSCON website. I checked last night
>
> On 7/11/09, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ?"both events" == your 7 PM talk and the 8 PM
>> ?baypiggies meeting, both in room B2?
>>
>> ?assuming so, does the OSCON web site have info
>> ?anywhere re the baypiggies meeting? how to
>> ?follow up?
>> ?with thanks,
>>
>> jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ?On Sat, 2009-07-11 at 00:43 -0700, wesley chun wrote:
>> ?> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>> ?> > On Thu, Jul 09, 2009, Aahz wrote:
>> ?> >> Unless someone objects by midnight tonight (Thursday), I'll tell the
>> ?> >> OSCON people to schedule BayPIGgies for 8-9:30pm Thurs 7/23 in the same
>> ?> >> room as Wes's BoF -- that should give us enough time to make
>> ?> >> announcements.
>> ?> >
>> ?> > Posted to c.l.py and c.l.py.announce -- would someone please update the
>> ?> > website and include a note about Wes's BoF in addition to the meeting
>> ?> > itself?
>> ?>
>> ?>
>> ?> if anyone wants/needs a pointer to forward to friends/colleagues that
>> ?> you want to send to my BoF so i can brainw^H^H^H^H^Hintroduce them to
>> ?> Python and soften them up for you guys, pass on this one -- it even
>> ?> has the room location that both events will take place in:
>> ?>
>> ?> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10214
>> ?>
>> ?> someone, donna(?), william(?), would still need to add it to the web page.

From wescpy at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 09:44:59 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:44:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907112100n484e4ebambc82b125257534a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com> <20090710163542.GB16853@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907110043k2dbafde8oc28e96cdb60fe1b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1247332789.6478.62.camel@jim-laptop>
	<8249c4ac0907111145s7db9ef17j360782d741d8c5e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<78b3a9580907112100n484e4ebambc82b125257534a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907120044k7c33f86ud8a09c01b594432e@mail.gmail.com>

sorry, link FAIL. try this one for all events using a free expo pass:
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/content/free

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:00 PM, wesley chun<wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
> to make things easiest logistically, i would suggest everyone that
> plans to attend thursday evening to register for a free expo pass...
> it'll let u get into the BOFs as well as a bunch of other events:
>
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/stype/BoF
>
> best of all, you'll get to avoid any confrontation with the thugs
> guarding the doors who will be looking for some sort of conference
> badge around your necks since 95% of them would not have been told
> that BOFs do not require conference registration.

From slander at unworkable.org  Sun Jul 12 23:50:27 2009
From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:50:27 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyGameSF meetup Wednesday July 15th 6pm @ Main San
	Francisco	Public Library
Message-ID: <20090712215027.GB3735@unworkable.org>

Hi All,
The July PyGameSF meet up will be at the STONG conference room on the
first floor of the main San Francisco public library beside civic
center BART. The library closes at 8pm so we will reconvene to frjtz
on hayes street for dinner/drinks afterwords. This month's presentations 
are:


* Colin Bean: Interactive graphics on the Android mobile platform. An 
  introduction to writing an Android application, working with OpenGL
  ES and using with some of the sensors available on HTC handsets.
   
 * Rudrasen : Prototyping an original 2D RPG. This talk is about rapid 
   game prototyping concepts with a mix of investigation , learning and 
   applying ideas.

PyGame SF is an informal group meet up in San Francisco for Software
engineers interested in python, OpenGL, audio, pygame, SDL,
programming and generally anything to do with multimedia development.
The format of our meetings typically involve several people giving
presentations on projects they are developing followed by
group discussion and feedback.
 
If anyone else would like to give a micro presentation, show demos or
just talk about what they are doing or generally give examples of any
relevant software they are working on please feel free to head along.
 
To subscribe to the pygamesf mailing list simply email
pygame-sf+subscribe at unworkable.org

-- 
Harry Tormey
Co Founder P2P Research
http://p2presearch.com
Founder PyGameSF
http://pygamesf.org
Software Engineer Digidesign
http://digidesign.com

From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 06:43:11 2009
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:43:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907110043k2dbafde8oc28e96cdb60fe1b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com>
	<20090710163542.GB16853@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907110043k2dbafde8oc28e96cdb60fe1b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE08AC05-3753-4345-AB4D-59813C18BC13@gmail.com>

Wesley,

Only iPhone net access til tomorrow, but then I'll add the details to  
the website.

-Bill



On Jul 11, 2009, at 12:43 AM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 09, 2009, Aahz wrote:
>>> Unless someone objects by midnight tonight (Thursday), I'll tell the
>>> OSCON people to schedule BayPIGgies for 8-9:30pm Thurs 7/23 in the  
>>> same
>>> room as Wes's BoF -- that should give us enough time to make
>>> announcements.
>>
>> Posted to c.l.py and c.l.py.announce -- would someone please update  
>> the
>> website and include a note about Wes's BoF in addition to the meeting
>> itself?
>
>
> if anyone wants/needs a pointer to forward to friends/colleagues that
> you want to send to my BoF so i can brainw^H^H^H^H^Hintroduce them to
> Python and soften them up for you guys, pass on this one -- it even
> has the room location that both events will take place in:
>
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10214
>
> someone, donna(?), william(?), would still need to add it to the web  
> page.
>
> -- wesley
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
> "Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
>    http://corepython.com
>
> wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
> python training and technical consulting
> cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
> http://cyberwebconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

From wescpy at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 19:18:26 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:18:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Timing: OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <DE08AC05-3753-4345-AB4D-59813C18BC13@gmail.com>
References: <20090708180039.GA13967@panix.com>
	<20090709123720.GB28168@panix.com> <20090710163542.GB16853@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907110043k2dbafde8oc28e96cdb60fe1b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<DE08AC05-3753-4345-AB4D-59813C18BC13@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907131018y4c51c35fxaea7cbb5f35c1a55@mail.gmail.com>

what, you don't have Terminal.app?!? ;-)

thx bill!
-wesley


> Only iPhone net access til tomorrow, but then I'll add the details to the website.

From wescpy at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 10:22:49 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wescpy at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:22:49 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <704CD54D-5BD4-4377-8CC5-BD0A72815084@gmail.com>

can i hijack the newbie nugget this month with the premeeting BoF? i  
originally didnt intend for the BoF to coincide with baypiggies  
originally because the BoFs werent scheduled yet when i signed up to  
do it but it seems that its appropriate for this one time and leave  
more time for the main talk(s)... thoughts?

-wesley

via myPhone

On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:02 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
> hi all,
>   we need newbie nuggets for the July and August
> meetings. (a newbie nugget is a short presentation
> on a single Python language (or lib or mod) feature
> or a coding technique that helps an experienced
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>   step right up!
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Jul 14 14:52:15 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:52:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <704CD54D-5BD4-4377-8CC5-BD0A72815084@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009, wescpy at gmail.com wrote:
>
> can i hijack the newbie nugget this month with the premeeting BoF? i  
> originally didnt intend for the BoF to coincide with baypiggies  
> originally because the BoFs werent scheduled yet when i signed up to do 
> it but it seems that its appropriate for this one time and leave more 
> time for the main talk(s)... thoughts?

Generally, newbie nuggets haven't been aimed at people who have never
been exposed to Python; for example, if someone has a newbie nugget for
Django, I would like to keep that option open.  I also don't think we
have speaker confirmations, so we may need newbie nuggets to fill out the
meeting itself.

OTOH, if we have a full meeting schedule, there's no reason we can't skip
newbie nuggets this month, we've certainly done that before.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From jim at well.com  Tue Jul 14 19:51:12 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:51:12 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <20090714125215.GB22136@panix.com>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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   The July 23 meeting has been firmed up: 
Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic 
Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau 

jim 



On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 05:52 -0700, Aahz wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009, wescpy at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > can i hijack the newbie nugget this month with the premeeting BoF? i  
> > originally didnt intend for the BoF to coincide with baypiggies  
> > originally because the BoFs werent scheduled yet when i signed up to do 
> > it but it seems that its appropriate for this one time and leave more 
> > time for the main talk(s)... thoughts?
> 
> Generally, newbie nuggets haven't been aimed at people who have never
> been exposed to Python; for example, if someone has a newbie nugget for
> Django, I would like to keep that option open.  I also don't think we
> have speaker confirmations, so we may need newbie nuggets to fill out the
> meeting itself.
> 
> OTOH, if we have a full meeting schedule, there's no reason we can't skip
> newbie nuggets this month, we've certainly done that before.


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Jul 14 20:12:18 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:12:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
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References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009, jim wrote:
> 
>    The July 23 meeting has been firmed up: 
> Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic 
> Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau 

Great!  Thanks for setting this up!  I've updated the OSCON info.

Someone needs to update baypiggies.net with the nugget and main talk,
please include this link to the BayPIGgies info on the OSCON site:

http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10349
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From wescpy at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 20:53:06 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:53:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <1247593872.6437.129.camel@jim-laptop>
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cool. i'll defer to the main programme then. see you all next week!

-wesley
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"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, jim<jim at well.com> wrote:
>
> ? The July 23 meeting has been firmed up:
> Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
> Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
>
> jim
>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009, wescpy at gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > can i hijack the newbie nugget this month with the premeeting BoF? i
>> > originally didnt intend for the BoF to coincide with baypiggies
>> > originally because the BoFs werent scheduled yet when i signed up to do
>> > it but it seems that its appropriate for this one time and leave more
>> > time for the main talk(s)... thoughts?

From jjinux at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 23:50:28 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:50:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <1247593872.6437.129.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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Almir,

Permit me to offer a suggestion.

In the past when we covered metaclasses, some of the newbies were turned off
due to their complexity.  It led them to believe that Python as a whole was
too complex.  It's important to remind newbies that metaclasses are
interesting, but they're also a bit esoteric.  I.e. most Python programmers
don't spend all day writing metaclasses.

-jj

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>   The July 23 meeting has been firmed up:
> Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
> Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
>


-- 
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From bender at onsrc.com  Wed Jul 15 00:01:44 2009
From: bender at onsrc.com (RYAN DELUCCHI)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:01:44 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90907141450m27a3d80bp2acdb681a02b6df1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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Actually,

I am relatively new to Python and I would like to see the talk on meta- 
classes.  Perhaps I am not representative of most python newbies  
but ... It sounds like an interesting topic that would be *easier* to  
pick up if it were presented by someone who has made use of them.

Ryan

On Jul 14, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:

> Almir,
>
> Permit me to offer a suggestion.
>
> In the past when we covered metaclasses, some of the newbies were  
> turned off due to their complexity.  It led them to believe that  
> Python as a whole was too complex.  It's important to remind newbies  
> that metaclasses are interesting, but they're also a bit esoteric.   
> I.e. most Python programmers don't spend all day writing metaclasses.
>
> -jj
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>   The July 23 meeting has been firmed up:
> Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
> Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
>
>
> -- 
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things  
> with great love. -- Mother Teresa
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 00:06:41 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:06:41 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
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References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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Perhaps I wasn't clear.  I'm not saying he shouldn't give the talk.  I'm
just saying that if he does, he reminds people that many newbies can safely
ignore metaclasses.

-jj

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, RYAN DELUCCHI <bender at onsrc.com> wrote:

> Actually,
>
> I am relatively new to Python and I would like to see the talk on
> meta-classes.  Perhaps I am not representative of most python newbies but
> ... It sounds like an interesting topic that would be *easier* to pick up if
> it were presented by someone who has made use of them.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
>
> Almir,
>
> Permit me to offer a suggestion.
>
> In the past when we covered metaclasses, some of the newbies were turned
> off due to their complexity.  It led them to believe that Python as a whole
> was too complex.  It's important to remind newbies that metaclasses are
> interesting, but they're also a bit esoteric.  I.e. most Python programmers
> don't spend all day writing metaclasses.
>
> -jj
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>>   The July 23 meeting has been firmed up:
>> Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
>> Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
>>
>
>
> --
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with
> great love. -- Mother Teresa
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 00:11:22 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:11:22 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
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Actually, here is the original format I proposed for newbie nuggets way back
in the day:

"Here are a list of guidelines that I think make sense.

* Please limit your talk to 10 minutes.
* You should show some code.
* PIck a topic that is harder than if statements, but easier than
metaclasses.
* Your target is relative new Python programmers.
* Make sure you cover the big picture.  Why should they care?
* Go slowly.  Newbies aren't experts.
* You don't have to be an expert to give a newbie nugget talk."

So it does explicitly mention metaclasses--I had forgotten about that ;)

Perhaps we should have the talk, tell users that metaclasses are an advanced
Python subject (i.e., they are "not the most fundamental approach to code
abstraction available in Python"), and not call it a newbie nugget.  I'm
still totally cool with hearing another talk on metaclasses.

Just my $0.02 USD,
-jj

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>wrote:

> Perhaps I wasn't clear.  I'm not saying he shouldn't give the talk.  I'm
> just saying that if he does, he reminds people that many newbies can safely
> ignore metaclasses.
>
> -jj
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, RYAN DELUCCHI <bender at onsrc.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually,
>>
>> I am relatively new to Python and I would like to see the talk on
>> meta-classes.  Perhaps I am not representative of most python newbies but
>> ... It sounds like an interesting topic that would be *easier* to pick up if
>> it were presented by someone who has made use of them.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
>>
>> Almir,
>>
>> Permit me to offer a suggestion.
>>
>> In the past when we covered metaclasses, some of the newbies were turned
>> off due to their complexity.  It led them to believe that Python as a whole
>> was too complex.  It's important to remind newbies that metaclasses are
>> interesting, but they're also a bit esoteric.  I.e. most Python programmers
>> don't spend all day writing metaclasses.
>>
>> -jj
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>>
>>>   The July 23 meeting has been firmed up:
>>> Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
>>> Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with
>> great love. -- Mother Teresa
>> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with
> great love. -- Mother Teresa
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
>



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From almir at almirkaric.com  Wed Jul 15 00:24:41 2009
From: almir at almirkaric.com (Almir Karic)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:24:41 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens<jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps I wasn't clear.? I'm not saying he shouldn't give the talk.? I'm
> just saying that if he does, he reminds people that many newbies can safely
> ignore metaclasses.

OK, will note that :)


python/django hacker & sys admin
http://almirkaric.com & http://twitter.com/redduck666

From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 02:39:41 2009
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:39:41 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <1247593872.6437.129.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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All,

Can Sandrine & Almir send me a description of their topics and any
URL's to relevant sites
and I'll post that up on Baypiggies.net.

I've updated to have info on the topics.

Jim & Aahz - Let me know if the timing of the segments looks about right.

Thanks,
Bill

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, jim<jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>
> ? The July 23 meeting has been firmed up:
> Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
> Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
>
> jim
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 05:52 -0700, Aahz wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009, wescpy at gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > can i hijack the newbie nugget this month with the premeeting BoF? i
>> > originally didnt intend for the BoF to coincide with baypiggies
>> > originally because the BoFs werent scheduled yet when i signed up to do
>> > it but it seems that its appropriate for this one time and leave more
>> > time for the main talk(s)... thoughts?
>>
>> Generally, newbie nuggets haven't been aimed at people who have never
>> been exposed to Python; for example, if someone has a newbie nugget for
>> Django, I would like to keep that option open. ?I also don't think we
>> have speaker confirmations, so we may need newbie nuggets to fill out the
>> meeting itself.
>>
>> OTOH, if we have a full meeting schedule, there's no reason we can't skip
>> newbie nuggets this month, we've certainly done that before.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From almir at almirkaric.com  Wed Jul 15 02:49:15 2009
From: almir at almirkaric.com (Almir Karic)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:49:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <8540148a0907141739l60134cf2qa53c4b97d64a5609@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:39 PM, William Deegan<bdbaddog at gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> Can Sandrine & Almir send me a description of their topics and any
> URL's to relevant sites
> and I'll post that up on Baypiggies.net.
>
> I've updated to have info on the topics.

"An all around look at metaclasses, covering intro, uses (good and
bad) and alternatives"

This is the description i sent to jim, hope it's alright :-). As for
the relevant URL's, does my blog count? http://almirkaric.com



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From wescpy at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 04:46:18 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wescpy at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:46:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <2b6a8c330907141524k4245c710j975b191d929b1d3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
	<704CD54D-5BD4-4377-8CC5-BD0A72815084@gmail.com>
	<20090714125215.GB22136@panix.com>
	<1247593872.6437.129.camel@jim-laptop>
	<c41f67b90907141450m27a3d80bp2acdb681a02b6df1@mail.gmail.com>
	<43E4EF10-5C02-4255-B207-D57606DD4854@onsrc.com>
	<c41f67b90907141506v4b4d58bah13fc31f2f6c04fab@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E4EBCB12-1659-48A4-AE9A-254C603394EF@gmail.com>

it would also be great to have some compare/contrast b/w metaclasses  
and class decorators and when are good opportunity to use each or  
where one is a better choice over the other. i know i m asking for a  
lot but just high level would be great!

thx,
-wesley

via myPhone

On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Almir Karic <almir at almirkaric.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Shannon -jj  
> Behrens<jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps I wasn't clear.  I'm not saying he shouldn't give the  
>> talk.  I'm
>> just saying that if he does, he reminds people that many newbies  
>> can safely
>> ignore metaclasses.
>
> OK, will note that :)
>
>
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul 15 05:03:09 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:03:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <E4EBCB12-1659-48A4-AE9A-254C603394EF@gmail.com>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009, wescpy at gmail.com wrote:
>
> it would also be great to have some compare/contrast b/w metaclasses and 
> class decorators and when are good opportunity to use each or where one 
> is a better choice over the other. i know i m asking for a lot but just 
> high level would be great!

Remember, this is a newbie nugget, about ten minutes long.  Just
explaining why you'd want to use metaclasses will take most of that time.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 15 05:14:08 2009
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:14:08 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <E4EBCB12-1659-48A4-AE9A-254C603394EF@gmail.com>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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	<1247593872.6437.129.camel@jim-laptop>
	<c41f67b90907141450m27a3d80bp2acdb681a02b6df1@mail.gmail.com>
	<43E4EF10-5C02-4255-B207-D57606DD4854@onsrc.com>
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+1. I agree. I'd rather know why I should care.
In particular to what extent the use of class decorators supersedes
metaclasses. It may not be newbie material though.

Stephen

> From: wescpy at gmail.com
> To: almir at almirkaric.com
> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:46:18 -0700
> CC: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
> 
> it would also be great to have some compare/contrast b/w metaclasses  
> and class decorators and when are good opportunity to use each or  
> where one is a better choice over the other. i know i m asking for a  
> lot but just high level would be great!
> 
> thx,
> -wesley
> 
> via myPhone
> 
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Almir Karic <almir at almirkaric.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Shannon -jj  
> > Behrens<jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Perhaps I wasn't clear.  I'm not saying he shouldn't give the  
> >> talk.  I'm
> >> just saying that if he does, he reminds people that many newbies  
> >> can safely
> >> ignore metaclasses.
> >
> > OK, will note that :)
> >
> >
> > python/django hacker & sys admin
> > http://almirkaric.com & http://twitter.com/redduck666
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul 15 05:18:29 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:18:29 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] LAST CALL: OSCON booth volunteers
Message-ID: <20090715031829.GA8290@panix.com>

Please subscribe to the OSCON mailing list at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/oscon
if you would like to help out with the Python/PSF booth at OSCON next
week (Weds 7/22 and Thurs 7/23).  We'll be hashing out the schedule soon.
You do *not* need to be a paid OSCON attendee, but please get an expo
pass:
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/register
-- 
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"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From almir at almirkaric.com  Wed Jul 15 05:37:00 2009
From: almir at almirkaric.com (Almir Karic)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:37:00 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <E4EBCB12-1659-48A4-AE9A-254C603394EF@gmail.com>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
	<704CD54D-5BD4-4377-8CC5-BD0A72815084@gmail.com>
	<20090714125215.GB22136@panix.com>
	<1247593872.6437.129.camel@jim-laptop>
	<c41f67b90907141450m27a3d80bp2acdb681a02b6df1@mail.gmail.com>
	<43E4EF10-5C02-4255-B207-D57606DD4854@onsrc.com>
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Yep, comparison is planned, it fits under the "alternatives" part of
description :)


python/django hacker & sys admin
http://almirkaric.com & http://twitter.com/redduck666



On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:46 PM, <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
> it would also be great to have some compare/contrast b/w metaclasses and
> class decorators and when are good opportunity to use each or where one is a
> better choice over the other. i know i m asking for a lot but just high
> level would be great!
>
> thx,
> -wesley
>
> via myPhone
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Almir Karic <almir at almirkaric.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens<jjinux at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps I wasn't clear. ?I'm not saying he shouldn't give the talk. ?I'm
>>> just saying that if he does, he reminds people that many newbies can
>>> safely
>>> ignore metaclasses.
>>
>> OK, will note that :)
>>
>>
>> python/django hacker & sys admin
>> http://almirkaric.com & http://twitter.com/redduck666
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From wescpy at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 06:49:12 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:49:12 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
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References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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	<1247593872.6437.129.camel@jim-laptop>
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>> it would also be great to have some compare/contrast b/w metaclasses and
>> class decorators and when are good opportunity to use each or where one
>> is a better choice over the other. i know i m asking for a lot but just
>> high level would be great!
>
> Remember, this is a newbie nugget, about ten minutes long. ?Just
> explaining why you'd want to use metaclasses will take most of that time.

true, but not mentioning them as an alternative would be irresponsible IMO.

From aleax at google.com  Wed Jul 15 07:22:39 2009
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:22:39 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <E4EBCB12-1659-48A4-AE9A-254C603394EF@gmail.com>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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	<20090714125215.GB22136@panix.com>
	<1247593872.6437.129.camel@jim-laptop>
	<c41f67b90907141450m27a3d80bp2acdb681a02b6df1@mail.gmail.com>
	<43E4EF10-5C02-4255-B207-D57606DD4854@onsrc.com>
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:46 PM, <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
> it would also be great to have some compare/contrast b/w metaclasses and
> class decorators and when are good opportunity to use each or where one is a
> better choice over the other. i know i m asking for a lot but just high
> level would be great!

+1 -- the use cases of metaclasses, now that we finally have class
decorators, fell by 3/4ths or more, and if the newbie nugget presenter
shows any case that's easily handled with a class decorator that would
be really bad.


Alex

From aleax at google.com  Wed Jul 15 07:23:56 2009
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:23:56 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907142149x72014661u40e4f6629f6b5a17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
	<20090714125215.GB22136@panix.com>
	<1247593872.6437.129.camel@jim-laptop>
	<c41f67b90907141450m27a3d80bp2acdb681a02b6df1@mail.gmail.com>
	<43E4EF10-5C02-4255-B207-D57606DD4854@onsrc.com>
	<c41f67b90907141506v4b4d58bah13fc31f2f6c04fab@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:49 PM, wesley chun<wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> it would also be great to have some compare/contrast b/w metaclasses and
>>> class decorators and when are good opportunity to use each or where one
>>> is a better choice over the other. i know i m asking for a lot but just
>>> high level would be great!
>>
>> Remember, this is a newbie nugget, about ten minutes long. ?Just
>> explaining why you'd want to use metaclasses will take most of that time.
>
> true, but not mentioning them as an alternative would be irresponsible IMO.

Yeah, PLUS, with class decorators around, it's very hard to think of
GOOD use cases for metaclasses for newbies -- seriously so.


Alex

From jim at well.com  Wed Jul 15 17:25:29 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:25:29 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
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References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
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Message-ID: <1247671529.6791.7.camel@jim-laptop>



cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
Semantic Apps with CubicWeb

The CubicWeb framework makes a construction game of building semantic
web applications that have both a HTML/Ajax rich user interface and a
RDF/OWL-based data interface.

This talk introduces the design of Cubic Web, focusing on key
differences from other frameworks, such as applying views to selections
of objects implementing the required interface, multi-database support,
migration and versioning for maintenance over several years, and truly
reusable components, with examples of integration within the Linked Data
cloud, with Google Maps, and with faceted search.



Newbie Nugget: Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
An all around look at metaclasses, covering intro, uses (good and bad),
and
alternatives.




On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 17:39 -0700, William Deegan wrote:
> All,
> 
> Can Sandrine & Almir send me a description of their topics and any
> URL's to relevant sites
> and I'll post that up on Baypiggies.net.
> 
> I've updated to have info on the topics.
> 
> Jim & Aahz - Let me know if the timing of the segments looks about right.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill
> 
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, jim<jim at well.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >   The July 23 meeting has been firmed up:
> > Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
> > Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
> >
> > jim
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 05:52 -0700, Aahz wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009, wescpy at gmail.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > can i hijack the newbie nugget this month with the premeeting BoF? i
> >> > originally didnt intend for the BoF to coincide with baypiggies
> >> > originally because the BoFs werent scheduled yet when i signed up to do
> >> > it but it seems that its appropriate for this one time and leave more
> >> > time for the main talk(s)... thoughts?
> >>
> >> Generally, newbie nuggets haven't been aimed at people who have never
> >> been exposed to Python; for example, if someone has a newbie nugget for
> >> Django, I would like to keep that option open.  I also don't think we
> >> have speaker confirmations, so we may need newbie nuggets to fill out the
> >> meeting itself.
> >>
> >> OTOH, if we have a full meeting schedule, there's no reason we can't skip
> >> newbie nuggets this month, we've certainly done that before.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
> 


From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 07:14:43 2009
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:14:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august
In-Reply-To: <1247671529.6791.7.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <1246982550.7906.8.camel@jim-laptop>
	<704CD54D-5BD4-4377-8CC5-BD0A72815084@gmail.com>
	<20090714125215.GB22136@panix.com>
	<1247593872.6437.129.camel@jim-laptop>
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	<1247671529.6791.7.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <8540148a0907152214l5d4dff55m15ac44b3e330ff57@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

Updated with cubicweb details.

-Bill

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:25 AM, jim<jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>
> cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
> Semantic Apps with CubicWeb
>
> The CubicWeb framework makes a construction game of building semantic
> web applications that have both a HTML/Ajax rich user interface and a
> RDF/OWL-based data interface.
>
> This talk introduces the design of Cubic Web, focusing on key
> differences from other frameworks, such as applying views to selections
> of objects implementing the required interface, multi-database support,
> migration and versioning for maintenance over several years, and truly
> reusable components, with examples of integration within the Linked Data
> cloud, with Google Maps, and with faceted search.
>
>
>
> Newbie Nugget: Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
> An all around look at metaclasses, covering intro, uses (good and bad),
> and
> alternatives.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 17:39 -0700, William Deegan wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> Can Sandrine & Almir send me a description of their topics and any
>> URL's to relevant sites
>> and I'll post that up on Baypiggies.net.
>>
>> I've updated to have info on the topics.
>>
>> Jim & Aahz - Let me know if the timing of the segments looks about right.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, jim<jim at well.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > ? The July 23 meeting has been firmed up:
>> > Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
>> > Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
>> >
>> > jim
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 05:52 -0700, Aahz wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009, wescpy at gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > can i hijack the newbie nugget this month with the premeeting BoF? i
>> >> > originally didnt intend for the BoF to coincide with baypiggies
>> >> > originally because the BoFs werent scheduled yet when i signed up to do
>> >> > it but it seems that its appropriate for this one time and leave more
>> >> > time for the main talk(s)... thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Generally, newbie nuggets haven't been aimed at people who have never
>> >> been exposed to Python; for example, if someone has a newbie nugget for
>> >> Django, I would like to keep that option open. ?I also don't think we
>> >> have speaker confirmations, so we may need newbie nuggets to fill out the
>> >> meeting itself.
>> >>
>> >> OTOH, if we have a full meeting schedule, there's no reason we can't skip
>> >> newbie nuggets this month, we've certainly done that before.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >
>>
>
>

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Jul 16 08:23:30 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:23:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Nobody expects....
Message-ID: <711657C2-C0D5-49EF-9B76-687C7A410859@glenjarvis.com>

What if we all wore them one night at BayPIGgies :)

http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/popculture/c1d8/


Glen
--

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From sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 18:13:38 2009
From: sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com (Sandrine Ribeau)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:13:38 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
Message-ID: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Do you guys know if there will be a projector in the OSCON birds of feathers
room? It does not seems like it when I look at the OSCON web site but I'd
like to make sure there is or isn't, so that I can either prepare or not a
demo.

Thanks,
Sandrine.
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jul 17 18:19:51 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:19:51 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090717161951.GB22490@panix.com>

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009, Sandrine Ribeau wrote:
>
> Do you guys know if there will be a projector in the OSCON birds of
> feathers room? It does not seems like it when I look at the OSCON web
> site but I'd like to make sure there is or isn't, so that I can either
> prepare or not a demo.

I'm asking the ORA people; there should be a projector because they're
the same rooms used for presentations during the day, but I don't know if
they're taken away before the BoFs.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From wescpy at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 20:18:07 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:18:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <20090717161951.GB22490@panix.com>
References: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009, Sandrine Ribeau wrote:
>>
>> Do you guys know if there will be a projector in the OSCON birds of
>> feathers room? It does not seems like it when I look at the OSCON web
>> site but I'd like to make sure there is or isn't, so that I can either
>> prepare or not a demo.
>
> I'm asking the ORA people; there should be a projector because they're
> the same rooms used for presentations during the day, but I don't know if
> they're taken away before the BoFs.


you all read my mind... i was about to ask ORA that last nite but got
distracted by something else.

unlike normal BoFs, mine requires a projector for me to roll through
40 slides for the 1st 45 min, then we get into a heavy more BoF-like
battle, er, "discussion," with the perl and ruby ppl. :-)

-wesley

From bender at onsrc.com  Fri Jul 17 20:26:09 2009
From: bender at onsrc.com (RYAN DELUCCHI)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:26:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907171118t3f07af03hda0ac12bbc95baf9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090717161951.GB22490@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907171118t3f07af03hda0ac12bbc95baf9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AFD676FD-1F58-4D19-95EE-E090D20ACAFF@onsrc.com>

> then we get into a heavy more BoF-like
> battle, er, "discussion," with the perl and ruby ppl. :-)

Awesome, sounds like I picked a great week to join the group (by the  
way that was not even remotely sarcastic -- I genuinely believe this  
will be thoroughly entertaining :-)).

Ryan
(recent J -> py convert)

From millman at berkeley.edu  Fri Jul 17 22:04:01 2009
From: millman at berkeley.edu (Jarrod Millman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:04:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] ANN: SciPy 2009 early registration extended to July
	22nd
Message-ID: <c7009a550907171304u169c8fb2hf985778f1cc6adb7@mail.gmail.com>

The early registration deadline for SciPy 2009 has been extended
until Wednesday, July 22, 2009.  Please register (
http://conference.scipy.org/to_register )
by this date to take advantage of the reduced early registration rate.
Since we just announced the conference schedule, I was asked to
provide extra time for people to register.  Fortunately, we were
able to get a few extra days from our vendors.  But we will have to
place orders next Thursday, so this is the last time we will be able
to extend the deadline for registration.

The conference schedule is available here:
  http://conference.scipy.org/schedule

About the conference
--------------------

SciPy 2009, the 8th Python in Science conference, will be held from
August 18-23, 2009 at Caltech in Pasadena, CA, USA.  The conference
starts with two days of tutorials to the scientific Python tools.
There will be two tracks, one for introduction of the basic tools to
beginners, and one for more advanced tools.  The tutorials will be
followed by two days of talks.  Both days of talks will begin with a
keynote address.  The first day?s keynote will be given by Peter
Norvig, the Director of Research at Google; while, the second keynote
will be delivered by Jon Guyer, a Materials Scientist in the
Thermodynamics and Kinetics Group at NIST.  The program committee will
select the remaining talks from submissions to our call for papers.
All selected talks will be included in our conference proceedings
edited by the program committee.  After the talks each day we will
provide several rooms for impromptu birds of a feather discussions.
Finally, the last two days of the conference will be used for a number
of coding sprints on the major software projects in our community.

For the 8th consecutive year, the conference will bring together the
developers and users of the open source software stack for scientific
computing with Python.  Attendees have the opportunity to review the
available tools and how they apply to specific problems.  By providing
a forum for developers to share their Python expertise with the wider
commercial, academic, and research communities, this conference
fosters collaboration and facilitates the sharing of software
components, techniques, and a vision for high level language use in
scientific computing.

For further information, please visit the conference homepage:
http://conference.scipy.org.

Important Dates
---------------

* Friday, July 3: Abstracts Due
* Wednesday, July 15: Announce accepted talks, post schedule
* Wednesday, July 22: Early Registration ends
* Tuesday-Wednesday, August 18-19: Tutorials
* Thursday-Friday, August 20-21: Conference
* Saturday-Sunday, August 22-23: Sprints
* Friday, September 4: Papers for proceedings due

Executive Committee
-------------------

* Jarrod Millman, UC Berkeley, USA (Conference Chair)
* Ga?l Varoquaux, INRIA Saclay, France (Program Co-Chair)
* St?fan van der Walt, University of Stellenbosch, South Africa
(Program Co-Chair)
* Fernando P?rez, UC Berkeley, USA (Tutorial Chair)

From sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 21:57:25 2009
From: sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com (Sandrine Ribeau)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:57:25 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907171118t3f07af03hda0ac12bbc95baf9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <e337009b0907181257n5d36bb1ej9b9c40ca68565f4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

According to Vee McMillen (one of the conference operations managers), there
will not be Audio/Video equipment unless we order it from Good Company
Communicationsas indicated on their website (
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/cfp/68).
It is very expensive...

Sandrine.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009, Sandrine Ribeau wrote:
> >>
> >> Do you guys know if there will be a projector in the OSCON birds of
> >> feathers room? It does not seems like it when I look at the OSCON web
> >> site but I'd like to make sure there is or isn't, so that I can either
> >> prepare or not a demo.
> >
> > I'm asking the ORA people; there should be a projector because they're
> > the same rooms used for presentations during the day, but I don't know if
> > they're taken away before the BoFs.
>
>
> you all read my mind... i was about to ask ORA that last nite but got
> distracted by something else.
>
> unlike normal BoFs, mine requires a projector for me to roll through
> 40 slides for the 1st 45 min, then we get into a heavy more BoF-like
> battle, er, "discussion," with the perl and ruby ppl. :-)
>
> -wesley
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 22:02:51 2009
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:02:51 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <e337009b0907181257n5d36bb1ej9b9c40ca68565f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090717161951.GB22490@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907171118t3f07af03hda0ac12bbc95baf9@mail.gmail.com>
	<e337009b0907181257n5d36bb1ej9b9c40ca68565f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <baf0d46b0907181302w4f81af47nb320dc416a15c263@mail.gmail.com>

I won't be able to make it but couldn't the attendees follow along on their
lappies? Rather than put out the extra money for a short session? I was
looking at projector equipment for my soon to be launched training business
and they are mighty 'spensive.

Best Regards,
Donna M Snow, Principal
C Squared Enterprises


coming soon! C2E Training
illuminating your path to Open Source


On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Sandrine Ribeau <sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> According to Vee McMillen (one of the conference operations managers),
> there will not be Audio/Video equipment unless we order it from Good Company
> Communicationsas indicated on their website (
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/cfp/68).
> It is very expensive...
>
> Sandrine.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009, Sandrine Ribeau wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Do you guys know if there will be a projector in the OSCON birds of
>> >> feathers room? It does not seems like it when I look at the OSCON web
>> >> site but I'd like to make sure there is or isn't, so that I can either
>> >> prepare or not a demo.
>> >
>> > I'm asking the ORA people; there should be a projector because they're
>> > the same rooms used for presentations during the day, but I don't know
>> if
>> > they're taken away before the BoFs.
>>
>>
>> you all read my mind... i was about to ask ORA that last nite but got
>> distracted by something else.
>>
>> unlike normal BoFs, mine requires a projector for me to roll through
>> 40 slides for the 1st 45 min, then we get into a heavy more BoF-like
>> battle, er, "discussion," with the perl and ruby ppl. :-)
>>
>> -wesley
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>
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From aleax at google.com  Sun Jul 19 02:18:45 2009
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:18:45 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <e337009b0907181257n5d36bb1ej9b9c40ca68565f4@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20090717161951.GB22490@panix.com>
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	<e337009b0907181257n5d36bb1ej9b9c40ca68565f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55dc209b0907181718sbc6053aif48fcfd54a9aa030@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Sandrine
Ribeau<sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> According to Vee McMillen (one of the conference operations managers), there
> will not be Audio/Video equipment unless we order it from Good Company
> Communicationsas indicated on their website
> (http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/cfp/68).
> It is very expensive...

Expensive indeed -- they want 450 or 675 PER DAY for a projector, when
cheap projectors can be BOUGHT OUTRIGHT
(http://www.projectorpeople.com/projectors/projectors-under-600.asp)
for 350-400 (VGA, small and portable) or 500 (800x600 or better, high
luminance).

Unfortunately this is very short notice to try to sync up with other
grassroot local groups and try to split the costs and ownership of
such a purchase, then collecting the funds &c, but we should
immediately start asking local friends and acquaintances (esp. ones
who are freelance and do presentations, or organize a grassroot local
group on whatever subject) to see if there's any chance for us to
borrow a projector -- VGA would do and we may not need high luminance
(as long as the room of the BOF / presentation lets us dim lights
down, and I'd imagine it would).


Alex

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Jul 19 02:24:15 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:24:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0907181718sbc6053aif48fcfd54a9aa030@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090717161951.GB22490@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907171118t3f07af03hda0ac12bbc95baf9@mail.gmail.com>
	<e337009b0907181257n5d36bb1ej9b9c40ca68565f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<55dc209b0907181718sbc6053aif48fcfd54a9aa030@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090719002415.GA6745@panix.com>

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009, Alex Martelli wrote:
>
> Unfortunately this is very short notice to try to sync up with other
> grassroot local groups and try to split the costs and ownership of
> such a purchase, then collecting the funds &c, but we should
> immediately start asking local friends and acquaintances (esp. ones
> who are freelance and do presentations, or organize a grassroot local
> group on whatever subject) to see if there's any chance for us to
> borrow a projector -- VGA would do and we may not need high luminance
> (as long as the room of the BOF / presentation lets us dim lights
> down, and I'd imagine it would).

The problem is that this is a convention center.  I am not sure we're
allowed to bring in our own projector (or I would have suggested that
option earlier).  More precisely, past experience indicates that we're
probably forbidden.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From jim at well.com  Sun Jul 19 02:24:27 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:24:27 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0907181718sbc6053aif48fcfd54a9aa030@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090717161951.GB22490@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907171118t3f07af03hda0ac12bbc95baf9@mail.gmail.com>
	<e337009b0907181257n5d36bb1ej9b9c40ca68565f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<55dc209b0907181718sbc6053aif48fcfd54a9aa030@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1247963067.6557.225.camel@jim-laptop>



i've asked someone to borrow theirs. have not 
heard from them yet. 
jim 


On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 17:18 -0700, Alex Martelli wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Sandrine
> Ribeau<sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > According to Vee McMillen (one of the conference operations managers), there
> > will not be Audio/Video equipment unless we order it from Good Company
> > Communicationsas indicated on their website
> > (http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/cfp/68).
> > It is very expensive...
> 
> Expensive indeed -- they want 450 or 675 PER DAY for a projector, when
> cheap projectors can be BOUGHT OUTRIGHT
> (http://www.projectorpeople.com/projectors/projectors-under-600.asp)
> for 350-400 (VGA, small and portable) or 500 (800x600 or better, high
> luminance).
> 
> Unfortunately this is very short notice to try to sync up with other
> grassroot local groups and try to split the costs and ownership of
> such a purchase, then collecting the funds &c, but we should
> immediately start asking local friends and acquaintances (esp. ones
> who are freelance and do presentations, or organize a grassroot local
> group on whatever subject) to see if there's any chance for us to
> borrow a projector -- VGA would do and we may not need high luminance
> (as long as the room of the BOF / presentation lets us dim lights
> down, and I'd imagine it would).
> 
> 
> Alex
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> 


From aleax at google.com  Sun Jul 19 02:28:56 2009
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:28:56 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <20090719002415.GA6745@panix.com>
References: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090717161951.GB22490@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907171118t3f07af03hda0ac12bbc95baf9@mail.gmail.com>
	<e337009b0907181257n5d36bb1ej9b9c40ca68565f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<55dc209b0907181718sbc6053aif48fcfd54a9aa030@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090719002415.GA6745@panix.com>
Message-ID: <55dc209b0907181728l5c870fc0w4930de9558cef5ab@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
   ...
> The problem is that this is a convention center. ?I am not sure we're
> allowed to bring in our own projector (or I would have suggested that
> option earlier). ?More precisely, past experience indicates that we're
> probably forbidden.

Argh, you're probably right:-(.  I wonder who we can ask (assuming we
manage to borrow a projector).


Alex

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Jul 19 02:39:37 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:39:37 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0907181728l5c870fc0w4930de9558cef5ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090717161951.GB22490@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907171118t3f07af03hda0ac12bbc95baf9@mail.gmail.com>
	<e337009b0907181257n5d36bb1ej9b9c40ca68565f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<55dc209b0907181718sbc6053aif48fcfd54a9aa030@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090719002415.GA6745@panix.com>
	<55dc209b0907181728l5c870fc0w4930de9558cef5ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090719003937.GA3766@panix.com>

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009, Alex Martelli wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>    ...
>> The problem is that this is a convention center. ?I am not sure we're
>> allowed to bring in our own projector (or I would have suggested that
>> option earlier). ?More precisely, past experience indicates that we're
>> probably forbidden.
> 
> Argh, you're probably right:-(.  I wonder who we can ask (assuming we
> manage to borrow a projector).

I'm asking Vee McMillen @ ORA, but we should assume that the answer is
"no".
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From wescpy at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 04:19:27 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wescpy at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:19:27 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0907181728l5c870fc0w4930de9558cef5ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e337009b0907170913q3a914a01r29ec3a98b5a61144@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090717161951.GB22490@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907171118t3f07af03hda0ac12bbc95baf9@mail.gmail.com>
	<e337009b0907181257n5d36bb1ej9b9c40ca68565f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<55dc209b0907181718sbc6053aif48fcfd54a9aa030@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090719002415.GA6745@panix.com>
	<55dc209b0907181728l5c870fc0w4930de9558cef5ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60DDF317-DD8F-46F4-A45E-512133B46732@gmail.com>

i will bring mine.

-wesley

via myPhone

On Jul 18, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Alex Martelli <aleax at google.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>   ...
>> The problem is that this is a convention center.  I am not sure we're
>> allowed to bring in our own projector (or I would have suggested that
>> option earlier).  More precisely, past experience indicates that  
>> we're
>> probably forbidden.
>
> Argh, you're probably right:-(.  I wonder who we can ask (assuming we
> manage to borrow a projector).
>
>
> Alex
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sun Jul 19 20:45:32 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:45:32 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] FWD: OSCON: projection equipment
Message-ID: <20090719184532.GA5488@panix.com>

Wes, you're on!

----- Forwarded message from McMillen Vee <vee at oreilly.com> -----

> From: McMillen Vee <vee at oreilly.com>
> Subject: Re: OSCON: projection equipment
> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:00:03 -0700
> To: Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>
> 
> Sandrine Rubeau asked if they could bring video equipment, and I said  
> yes, fyi.
>
> Vee McMillen
> Conferences Operations Manager
> O'Reilly Media, Inc.

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From wescpy at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 08:40:26 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:40:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] FWD: OSCON: projection equipment
In-Reply-To: <20090719184532.GA5488@panix.com>
References: <20090719184532.GA5488@panix.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907192340k5d1125d1q5cd1358fe1a9e439@mail.gmail.com>

if this is true, then glen can also bring in his video recording
equipment as per a "normal" BayPIGgies evening too....

-wes

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> Wes, you're on!
>
> ----- Forwarded message from McMillen Vee <vee at oreilly.com> -----
>
>> From: McMillen Vee <vee at oreilly.com>
>> Subject: Re: OSCON: projection equipment
>> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:00:03 -0700
>> To: Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com>
>>
>> Sandrine Rubeau asked if they could bring video equipment, and I said
>> yes, fyi.
>>
>> Vee McMillen
>> Conferences Operations Manager
>> O'Reilly Media, Inc.

From jim at well.com  Tue Jul 21 07:25:06 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:25:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting at OSCON Thursday July 23,
	2009: Semantic Apps	with cubicweb
Message-ID: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>


BayPIGgies meeting at OSCON Thursday July 23, 2009: 
Semantic Apps with CubicWeb, by Sandrine Ribeau 


Meetings start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of an 
essential Python feature, specially for those new to Python. 

Tonight's Newbie Nugget:  Metaclasses, by Almir Karic 


NOTE: 
The July 23 BayPIGgies meeting is at OSCON, room B2, at 8:00 PM. 
Come at 7:00 PM for Wesley Chun's "What Is Python" talk in room B2. 

You must register to get in: 
Register to attend OSCON (free registration) 
https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/register 

What's FREE at OSCON? 
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/content/free 

The BayPIGgies meeting is part of the Birds of a Feather program: 
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/stype/BoF 

Info about the BayPIGgies July Meeting 
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10349 

Info about "What Is Python", by Wesley Chun, 7:00 PM Thursday July 23,
Room B2 
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10214


LOCATION is at OSCON: 
San Jose McEnery Convention Center
150 West San Carlos St.
San Jose, CA 95113 
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/content/hotel 


BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://baypiggies.net/new/plone



------------------------ Agenda ------------------------

..... 8:00 PM ...........................
General hubbub, any first-minute announcements. 


..... 8:05 PM to 8:15 PM ................

Newbie Nugget: Metaclasses, by Almir Karic 

An all around look at metaclasses, covering intro, uses 
(good and bad), and alternatives. 



..... 8:15 PM to 9:00 PM ................

Tonight's talk: 
Semantic Apps with CubicWeb 
by Sandrine Ribeau 

The CubicWeb framework makes a construction game of building 
semantic web applications that have both a HTML/Ajax rich 
user interface and a RDF/OWL-based data interface.

This talk introduces the design of CubicWeb, focusing on key 
differences from other frameworks, such as applying views to 
selections of objects implementing the required interface, 
multi-database support, migration and versioning for maintenance 
over several years, and truly reusable components, with examples 
of integration within the Linked Data cloud, with Google Maps, 
and with faceted search.


..... 9:00 PM to 9:30 PM  ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics 
the announcers are interested in. 

Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up 
individually on the announcements and other topics of 
interest.



From wescpy at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 08:24:15 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:24:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting at OSCON Thursday July 23,
	2009: 	Semantic Apps with cubicweb
In-Reply-To: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907202324j20db0f3aoa881f4e53825a9f3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, jim<jim at well.com> wrote:
>
> BayPIGgies meeting at OSCON Thursday July 23, 2009:
>
> LOCATION is at OSCON:
> San Jose McEnery Convention Center
> 150 West San Carlos St.
> San Jose, CA 95113
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/content/hotel


as always, i advocate taking public transit vs. driving for many
reasons, which include but are not limited to rush hour traffic,
downtown SJ parking, etc. caltrain's downtown san jose "diridon"
station is less than a mile from the convention ctr, a 15-min walk or
8-min bike ride.

if you take caltrain's baby bullet service, you can get from SF to SJ
in < 1hr. unlike BART, you can bring food and drink on-board as well
as alchohol if you want relax with a chardonnay on the way down. it is
more bicycle-friendly too.

as far as the speed goes, here are the sub-hour times from the city to
SJ for the best ones to take:

- train 378 departs SF at 5:33p, arr SJ at 6:32p
- train 382 departs SF at 6:14p, arr SJ at 7:11p
- train 386 departs SF at 6:33p, arr SJ at 7:32p

there are slightly slower trains in b/w each of these. the way you
tell is the 1st digit of the train tells you its speed: a "382" -> "3"
which is a bullet. train "284" is a semi-express, those take 76-88-min
to go SF-SJ so you should avoid those. the all local trains, like
"190" don't leave until late so you won't find those during the
commute.

the bullet trains will take one of the following routes, so if you can
catch one on the way if closer to work/home:

- SF -> SFO/Millbrae -> Hillsdale -> PA -> MV -> SJ
- SF -> SFO/Millbrae -> San Mateo -> RWC -> PA -> SNV -> SJ

be sure to check which type of bullet you're catching at http://caltrain.com

if you're tempted to get off at MV to catch the light rail because you
don't want to walk the final mile if taking the train all the way to
SJ, think again. from MV, the "snail rail" will take *57* min to
arrive in front of the convention center vs. riding the train for an
extra 15-min plus the 15-min walk at the end... unless you wanna waste
nearly half an hour!

since inevitably *some*one will drive, if you register your info on
the BayPIGgies page, it may be possible to corral a ride from diridon
station so you won't have to walk the final mile after all!

although we aren't meeting at Symantec this month, still update the
wiki page at the bottom to coordinate rideshares, from both those who
need rides as well as those who can offer them:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesMeetingSignup

c u all there!
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From bender at onsrc.com  Tue Jul 21 19:31:20 2009
From: bender at onsrc.com (RYAN DELUCCHI)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:31:20 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting at OSCON Thursday July 23,
	2009: 	Semantic Apps with cubicweb
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907202324j20db0f3aoa881f4e53825a9f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<78b3a9580907202324j20db0f3aoa881f4e53825a9f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D4EFD9EE-17EF-49C4-A4E5-3A959E4B495F@onsrc.com>

> caltrain's downtown san jose "diridon"
> station is less than a mile from the convention ctr, a 15-min walk or
> 8-min bike ride.

Actually, the 15-minute walk / 8-min bike ride is unnecessary (I  
explain below).

> if you're tempted to get off at MV to catch the light rail because you
> don't want to walk the final mile if taking the train all the way to
> SJ, think again. from MV, the "snail rail" will take *57* min to
> arrive in front of the convention center vs. riding the train for an
> extra 15-min plus the 15-min walk at the end... unless you wanna waste
> nearly half an hour!

Yes: riding the light rail from Mountain View to the San Jose  
Convention Center is *not* efficient.  However, there is a light rail  
station *inside* the San Jose Diridon CalTrain Station.  Thus, a  
transfer from CalTrain to the light-rail, in San Jose, is very quick.   
And the light-rail will take you directly in front of the convention  
center - thereby reducing your walk to a 30 second sprint.  As there  
are no stops between the caltrain station and the convention center:  
this is very efficient.

Here are some the best light-rail times from San Jose Diridon to San  
Jose Convention Center:

SJ Diridon		SJ Convention Center
6:02 PM		6:08 PM
6:17 PM		6:23 PM
6:32 PM		6:38 PM
6:47 PM		6:53 PM
7:02 PM		7:08 PM
7:17 PM		7:23 PM

While the light rail stop is in the same station as the caltrain,  
leave yourself at least 5-10 minutes buffer (as caltrains aren't  
always on-time)
and you may need to purchase a light rail pass.  Of course, if you  
have a caltrain monthly pass with 2 or more zones, the light rail will  
be "free".

Ryan
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From resmith at runbox.com  Wed Jul 22 03:02:09 2009
From: resmith at runbox.com (resmith at runbox.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:02:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies Digest, Vol 45, Issue 29
In-Reply-To: <mailman.51.1248170402.7824.baypiggies@python.org>
References: <mailman.51.1248170402.7824.baypiggies@python.org>
Message-ID: <E1MTQDh-0001mh-6X@fenris.runbox.com>

>if you're tempted to get off at MV to catch the light rail because you
>don't want to walk the final mile if taking the train all the way to
>SJ, think again. from MV, the "snail rail" will take *57* min to
>arrive in front of the convention center vs. riding the train for an
>extra 15-min plus the 15-min walk at the end... unless you wanna waste
>nearly half an hour!

There is light rail from the SJ Caltrain Station to the Convention Center:

http://www.vta.org/schedules/SC_902NO_WK.html
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Just to emphasize what else is going on at OSCON Thursday night:

 ( http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/content/free)

at 6:30 Larry Wall will give his famous yearly "State of the Onion" address on Perl.
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/9005


from 6:00pm to 10pm there will be a SourceForge sponsored party at the Agenda Lounge (one block from the SJ Convention Center).
http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/9007
------------------------------------------------------
The OSCON registration booth to get a badge is open 
Wednesday 7:30 am ? 6:00 pm
Thursday 8:00 am - 6:00 pm. 

I wonder if a badge will actually be required to attend the BayPiggies meeting? 

res

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul 22 04:05:43 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:05:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON meeting
In-Reply-To: <E1MTQDh-0001mh-6X@fenris.runbox.com>
References: <mailman.51.1248170402.7824.baypiggies@python.org>
	<E1MTQDh-0001mh-6X@fenris.runbox.com>
Message-ID: <20090722020543.GA26701@panix.com>

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009, resmith at runbox.com wrote:
>
> I wonder if a badge will actually be required to attend the BayPiggies
> meeting?

Nope, Wes and I confirmed that this afternoon.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From bender at onsrc.com  Wed Jul 22 05:52:54 2009
From: bender at onsrc.com (Ryan Delucchi)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:52:54 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting at OSCON Thursday July 23,
	2009: Semantic Apps	with cubicweb
In-Reply-To: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>

Any possibility of having a subset of us meet for a quick dinner  
before the OSCON talk? This will be my first meeting in the group so  
if there is some protocol i'm missing please let me know.

Cheers,

Ryan

On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:25 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
> BayPIGgies meeting at OSCON Thursday July 23, 2009:
> Semantic Apps with CubicWeb, by Sandrine Ribeau
>
>
> Meetings start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of an
> essential Python feature, specially for those new to Python.
>
> Tonight's Newbie Nugget:  Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
>
>
> NOTE:
> The July 23 BayPIGgies meeting is at OSCON, room B2, at 8:00 PM.
> Come at 7:00 PM for Wesley Chun's "What Is Python" talk in room B2.
>
> You must register to get in:
> Register to attend OSCON (free registration)
> https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/register
>
> What's FREE at OSCON?
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/content/free
>
> The BayPIGgies meeting is part of the Birds of a Feather program:
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/stype/BoF
>
> Info about the BayPIGgies July Meeting
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10349
>
> Info about "What Is Python", by Wesley Chun, 7:00 PM Thursday July 23,
> Room B2
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10214
>
>
> LOCATION is at OSCON:
> San Jose McEnery Convention Center
> 150 West San Carlos St.
> San Jose, CA 95113
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/content/hotel
>
>
> BayPIGgies meeting information is available at
> http://baypiggies.net/new/plone
>
>
>
> ------------------------ Agenda ------------------------
>
> ..... 8:00 PM ...........................
> General hubbub, any first-minute announcements.
>
>
> ..... 8:05 PM to 8:15 PM ................
>
> Newbie Nugget: Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
>
> An all around look at metaclasses, covering intro, uses
> (good and bad), and alternatives.
>
>
>
> ..... 8:15 PM to 9:00 PM ................
>
> Tonight's talk:
> Semantic Apps with CubicWeb
> by Sandrine Ribeau
>
> The CubicWeb framework makes a construction game of building
> semantic web applications that have both a HTML/Ajax rich
> user interface and a RDF/OWL-based data interface.
>
> This talk introduces the design of CubicWeb, focusing on key
> differences from other frameworks, such as applying views to
> selections of objects implementing the required interface,
> multi-database support, migration and versioning for maintenance
> over several years, and truly reusable components, with examples
> of integration within the Linked Data cloud, with Google Maps,
> and with faceted search.
>
>
> ..... 9:00 PM to 9:30 PM  ................
> Mapping and Random Access
>
> Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics
> the announcers are interested in.
>
> Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up
> individually on the announcements and other topics of
> interest.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

From jim at well.com  Wed Jul 22 06:10:52 2009
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:10:52 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Retreat in Cupertino  -- Next week
Message-ID: <1248235852.6642.124.camel@jim-laptop>


Hi,

Marilyn Davis is teaching a fast-paced, low-pressure, Python 
Training retreat July 27-30 at UCSC-Extension in Cupertino, 
only for people who know how to program in some other language.

We'll be doing lab exercises to practice the core of Python, 
including the very Pythonic decorators, generators, iterators, 
and context management facilities.

University credit is given for the course.

Follow the link on this page to register:

http://pythontrainer.com

Also notice that, in the fall, we'll be running an evening course 
and an online course for programmers, and an evening course for 
novices.

Please send students!

Marilyn Davis



From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul 22 06:28:26 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:28:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
Message-ID: <20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009, Ryan Delucchi wrote:
>
> Any possibility of having a subset of us meet for a quick dinner before 
> the OSCON talk? This will be my first meeting in the group so if there is 
> some protocol i'm missing please let me know.

I'm up for dinner, but I'm not sure what's both good and reasonably
cheap near the convention center; anyone familiar with the area?
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 09:35:38 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:35:38 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009, Ryan Delucchi wrote:
>>
>> Any possibility of having a subset of us meet for a quick dinner before
>> the OSCON talk? This will be my first meeting in the group so if there is
>> some protocol i'm missing please let me know.
>
> I'm up for dinner, but I'm not sure what's both good and reasonably
> cheap near the convention center; anyone familiar with the area?

Original Joes is *fantastic*, although there's a long wait and you
shouldn't try to go in a group larger than four.

-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From tony at tcapp.com  Wed Jul 22 13:26:09 2009
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:26:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0907220426r6e40f0f3u3228197f3e5a3187@mail.gmail.com>

There is a PF Chang's on Second St- a reasonably quick walk from the
convention center.
(As are a fair number of other restaurants)
Il Fornaio in the St. Claire Hotel., is just across Market St,


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009, Ryan Delucchi wrote:
>>
>> Any possibility of having a subset of us meet for a quick dinner before
>> the OSCON talk? This will be my first meeting in the group so if there is
>> some protocol i'm missing please let me know.
>
> I'm up for dinner, but I'm not sure what's both good and reasonably
> cheap near the convention center; anyone familiar with the area?
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) ? ? ? ? ? <*> ? ? ? ? http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
> given by pi*z*z*a"
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul 22 14:59:34 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:59:34 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009, Ryan Delucchi wrote:
>>>
>>> Any possibility of having a subset of us meet for a quick dinner before
>>> the OSCON talk? This will be my first meeting in the group so if there is
>>> some protocol i'm missing please let me know.
>>
>> I'm up for dinner, but I'm not sure what's both good and reasonably
>> cheap near the convention center; anyone familiar with the area?
> 
> Original Joes is *fantastic*, although there's a long wait and you
> shouldn't try to go in a group larger than four.

Maybe I am trying too hard to cater to people without much money, but
neither Original Joe's nor PF Chang's strike me as "reasonably cheap".
What do others think?

(I've been to Original Joe's before and haven't been particularly
impressed, so my opinion about what's good may be different from other
people's, too. ;-)

If we're bumping the price range, I would be somewhat inclined to pick
McCormick and Schmick's.  There's also a fairly cheap bakery next to M&S
that serves sandwiches (Bijan), I had a good eclair there last night for
dessert after getting a mediocre meal at E&O.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From bender at onsrc.com  Wed Jul 22 17:40:52 2009
From: bender at onsrc.com (Ryan Delucchi)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:40:52 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
Message-ID: <331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>

I will have to side with Aahz on this one: but not only should we  
shoot for "cheap" but also fast (since some of us will be coming off  
work).  One option that sticks out in my mind is Johnny Rockets (which  
is also light rail accessible).

On Jul 22, 2009, at 5:59 AM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009, Ryan Delucchi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Any possibility of having a subset of us meet for a quick dinner  
>>>> before
>>>> the OSCON talk? This will be my first meeting in the group so if  
>>>> there is
>>>> some protocol i'm missing please let me know.
>>>
>>> I'm up for dinner, but I'm not sure what's both good and reasonably
>>> cheap near the convention center; anyone familiar with the area?
>>
>> Original Joes is *fantastic*, although there's a long wait and you
>> shouldn't try to go in a group larger than four.
>
> Maybe I am trying too hard to cater to people without much money, but
> neither Original Joe's nor PF Chang's strike me as "reasonably cheap".
> What do others think?
>
> (I've been to Original Joe's before and haven't been particularly
> impressed, so my opinion about what's good may be different from other
> people's, too. ;-)
>
> If we're bumping the price range, I would be somewhat inclined to pick
> McCormick and Schmick's.  There's also a fairly cheap bakery next to  
> M&S
> that serves sandwiches (Bijan), I had a good eclair there last night  
> for
> dessert after getting a mediocre meal at E&O.
> -- 
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
> given by pi*z*z*a"
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul 22 17:50:01 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:50:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
Message-ID: <20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009, Ryan Delucchi wrote:
>
> I will have to side with Aahz on this one: but not only should we shoot 
> for "cheap" but also fast (since some of us will be coming off work).  
> One option that sticks out in my mind is Johnny Rockets (which is also 
> light rail accessible).

Yeah, that's a bit noisy, but it's probably the best bet unless someone
suggests something else.  Note that the timing is a bit less tight
compared with a normal meeting because we're starting at 8pm instead of
7:30pm.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Wed Jul 22 17:58:04 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON and Spam
Message-ID: <3F897787-1F44-44E2-9041-6E6B98C3B871@glenjarvis.com>

I still have an extra can of SPAM that I need to give away... Can we  
do a SPAM Raffle at Oscon or something? Fundraiser for BayPIGgies at  
our booth?

Seriously, I need to get rid of this crap. Since I bought some for  
Spamalot, I have extra.

On an interesting note, I also bought the Spam *Lite* single serving  
pack... I was starving the other day and made a spam sandwich. This  
*light* single serving is 150 calories. Of those 150 calories, 100  
come from fat!?! (And this is light?)

Anyhow, shall I bring the extra can of Spam for us to do any kind of  
auction... It's silly.. or maybe creative... and sounds fun :)

I'll have it with me -- tell me what I can do with it...  silly can of  
spam :)


Glen

From bender at onsrc.com  Wed Jul 22 18:29:03 2009
From: bender at onsrc.com (Ryan Delucchi)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:29:03 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
	<20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
Message-ID: <0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>

But, the OSCON talk is at 7 PM.  Id like to be there for that as well

On Jul 22, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009, Ryan Delucchi wrote:
>>
>> I will have to side with Aahz on this one: but not only should we  
>> shoot
>> for "cheap" but also fast (since some of us will be coming off work).
>> One option that sticks out in my mind is Johnny Rockets (which is  
>> also
>> light rail accessible).
>
> Yeah, that's a bit noisy, but it's probably the best bet unless  
> someone
> suggests something else.  Note that the timing is a bit less tight
> compared with a normal meeting because we're starting at 8pm instead  
> of
> 7:30pm.
> -- 
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
> given by pi*z*z*a"
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> Baypiggies at python.org
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul 22 18:53:27 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:53:27 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
	<20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
	<0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>
Message-ID: <20090722165327.GA25279@panix.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009, Ryan Delucchi wrote:
>
> But, the OSCON talk is at 7 PM.  Id like to be there for that as well

Fair enough.  Another option would be one of the pizza joints, can anyone
recommend?

Pizza My Heart
Pizza Chicago
La Nostra Pizza
Grande Pizzeria
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From wescpy at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 20:36:34 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:36:34 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <20090722165327.GA25279@panix.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
	<20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
	<0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>
	<20090722165327.GA25279@panix.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907221136o4359a23bk79ef96f1bd0ad80c@mail.gmail.com>

fwiw, not to change anyones' plans or anything, but i need to rush to
dinner and back in b/w talks, so i also need fast and cheap.
therefore, i'll be eating here: http://www.thebluechipsj.com

it's about a block away from the convention center. prices are roughly
~$7 for sandwiches/burgers or $8 for cheesesteaks. check website for
menu+prices.

since my prev talk...

http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/8038

... ends at 6:05p and the next one...

http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10214

... starts at 7p, i can guarantee this will be fairly quick for me,
and that unless they've gone out-of-business or i've scored free food
somewhere at the conference, i'll should be there for sure b/w
6:15-6:45p. :-)

anyone is welcome to join me (or not),
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Python Web Development with Django", Addison Wesley, (c) 2009
http://withdjango.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From bender at onsrc.com  Wed Jul 22 20:45:50 2009
From: bender at onsrc.com (RYAN DELUCCHI)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:45:50 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907221136o4359a23bk79ef96f1bd0ad80c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
	<20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
	<0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>
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Message-ID: <FE2C7182-3717-4AA6-8E0A-3A1C78BA0EED@onsrc.com>

That sounds perfect actually.

And I like the idea of going *between* talks (so there won't be such a  
mad rush to get off work:  I have a contract project here in The City  
and plan to take the CalTrain down).

So my vote is for us to keep this simple and sync with Wesley's plans.

Ryan

On Jul 22, 2009, at 11:36 AM, wesley chun wrote:

> fwiw, not to change anyones' plans or anything, but i need to rush to
> dinner and back in b/w talks, so i also need fast and cheap.
> therefore, i'll be eating here: http://www.thebluechipsj.com
>
> it's about a block away from the convention center. prices are roughly
> ~$7 for sandwiches/burgers or $8 for cheesesteaks. check website for
> menu+prices.
>
> since my prev talk...
>
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/8038
>
> ... ends at 6:05p and the next one...
>
> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10214
>
> ... starts at 7p, i can guarantee this will be fairly quick for me,
> and that unless they've gone out-of-business or i've scored free food
> somewhere at the conference, i'll should be there for sure b/w
> 6:15-6:45p. :-)
>
> anyone is welcome to join me (or not),
> -- wesley
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "Python Web Development with Django", Addison Wesley, (c) 2009
> http://withdjango.com
>
> wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
> python training and technical consulting
> cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
> http://cyberwebconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies


From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 23:04:06 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:04:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON and Spam
In-Reply-To: <3F897787-1F44-44E2-9041-6E6B98C3B871@glenjarvis.com>
References: <3F897787-1F44-44E2-9041-6E6B98C3B871@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90907221404p354753fbxcd1b2e493ccfb4a5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Glen Jarvis<glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> I still have an extra can of SPAM that I need to give away... Can we do a
> SPAM Raffle at Oscon or something? Fundraiser for BayPIGgies at our booth?
>
> Seriously, I need to get rid of this crap. Since I bought some for Spamalot,
> I have extra.
>
> On an interesting note, I also bought the Spam *Lite* single serving pack...
> I was starving the other day and made a spam sandwich. This *light* single
> serving is 150 calories. Of those 150 calories, 100 come from fat!?! (And
> this is light?)
>
> Anyhow, shall I bring the extra can of Spam for us to do any kind of
> auction... It's silly.. or maybe creative... and sounds fun :)
>
> I'll have it with me -- tell me what I can do with it... ?silly can of spam
> :)

Getting rid of spam is hard.  Maybe you should move it into your bulk
folder or click the "Mark as Spam" button.

-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul 22 23:08:46 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:08:46 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907221136o4359a23bk79ef96f1bd0ad80c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
	<20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
	<0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>
	<20090722165327.GA25279@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907221136o4359a23bk79ef96f1bd0ad80c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090722210846.GA3055@panix.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009, wesley chun wrote:
>
> fwiw, not to change anyones' plans or anything, but i need to rush to
> dinner and back in b/w talks, so i also need fast and cheap.
> therefore, i'll be eating here: http://www.thebluechipsj.com

Works for me, too, and here's the address for anyone needing to use
Google Maps:

325 S. First Street 95113

I'll be there around 6pm.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From bender at onsrc.com  Wed Jul 22 23:18:59 2009
From: bender at onsrc.com (RYAN DELUCCHI)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:18:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <20090722210846.GA3055@panix.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
	<20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
	<20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
	<0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>
	<20090722165327.GA25279@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907221136o4359a23bk79ef96f1bd0ad80c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722210846.GA3055@panix.com>
Message-ID: <B456D565-548F-4BC2-B762-12817210FCF2@onsrc.com>

Actually, I was proposing we tag along with Wesley (as he plans on  
going between talks).

Since I am heading down from The City: 6 PM is rather early.

Ryan

On Jul 22, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Aahz wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009, wesley chun wrote:
>>
>> fwiw, not to change anyones' plans or anything, but i need to rush to
>> dinner and back in b/w talks, so i also need fast and cheap.
>> therefore, i'll be eating here: http://www.thebluechipsj.com
>
> Works for me, too, and here's the address for anyone needing to use
> Google Maps:
>
> 325 S. First Street 95113
>
> I'll be there around 6pm.
> -- 
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
> given by pi*z*z*a"
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul 22 23:28:36 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:28:36 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON dinner Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <B456D565-548F-4BC2-B762-12817210FCF2@onsrc.com>
References: <20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
	<20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
	<0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>
	<20090722165327.GA25279@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907221136o4359a23bk79ef96f1bd0ad80c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722210846.GA3055@panix.com>
	<B456D565-548F-4BC2-B762-12817210FCF2@onsrc.com>
Message-ID: <20090722212836.GA17119@panix.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009, RYAN DELUCCHI wrote:
>
> Actually, I was proposing we tag along with Wesley (as he plans on going 
> between talks).
>
> Since I am heading down from The City: 6 PM is rather early.

Some people may want to start early if they're already at OSCON, and in
any case, I think a lot of people recognize me, so I'm a good rallying
point.

Please RSVP so I know how big a table to get!
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From bender at onsrc.com  Wed Jul 22 23:40:33 2009
From: bender at onsrc.com (RYAN DELUCCHI)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:40:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON dinner Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <20090722212836.GA17119@panix.com>
References: <20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<c41f67b90907220035i6a9a8066s52b554e34c046f55@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
	<20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
	<0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>
	<20090722165327.GA25279@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907221136o4359a23bk79ef96f1bd0ad80c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722210846.GA3055@panix.com>
	<B456D565-548F-4BC2-B762-12817210FCF2@onsrc.com>
	<20090722212836.GA17119@panix.com>
Message-ID: <BFE24384-FFDA-4195-9470-CC949AC9E3DD@onsrc.com>

Pardon the confusion: I misread.

Based on the Cal Train and light rail schedules (assuming everything  
is running on time).  I can get to the convention center by *6:23 PM*.

Just let me know if I should meet folks in front of the convention  
center or in front of the restaurant.

Ryan

On Jul 22, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Aahz wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009, RYAN DELUCCHI wrote:
>>
>> Actually, I was proposing we tag along with Wesley (as he plans on  
>> going
>> between talks).
>>
>> Since I am heading down from The City: 6 PM is rather early.
>
> Some people may want to start early if they're already at OSCON, and  
> in
> any case, I think a lot of people recognize me, so I'm a good rallying
> point.
>
> Please RSVP so I know how big a table to get!
> -- 
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
> given by pi*z*z*a"
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul 22 23:45:27 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:45:27 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON dinner Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <BFE24384-FFDA-4195-9470-CC949AC9E3DD@onsrc.com>
References: <20090722125934.GB13246@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
	<20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
	<0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>
	<20090722165327.GA25279@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907221136o4359a23bk79ef96f1bd0ad80c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722210846.GA3055@panix.com>
	<B456D565-548F-4BC2-B762-12817210FCF2@onsrc.com>
	<20090722212836.GA17119@panix.com>
	<BFE24384-FFDA-4195-9470-CC949AC9E3DD@onsrc.com>
Message-ID: <20090722214527.GA5265@panix.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009, RYAN DELUCCHI wrote:
>
> Based on the Cal Train and light rail schedules (assuming everything is 
> running on time).  I can get to the convention center by *6:23 PM*.
>
> Just let me know if I should meet folks in front of the convention  
> center or in front of the restaurant.

Just go straight to the restaurant -- we'll probably be inside.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z' is
given by pi*z*z*a"

From wescpy at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 23:53:58 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:53:58 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON dinner Thursday July 23
In-Reply-To: <BFE24384-FFDA-4195-9470-CC949AC9E3DD@onsrc.com>
References: <20090722042826.GA21405@panix.com>
	<331C0C0E-FD1A-48FA-B302-A6470246FFC1@onsrc.com>
	<20090722155001.GA11872@panix.com>
	<0F5AF48A-9023-41AC-BA28-60D40FA74BA5@onsrc.com>
	<20090722165327.GA25279@panix.com>
	<78b3a9580907221136o4359a23bk79ef96f1bd0ad80c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090722210846.GA3055@panix.com>
	<B456D565-548F-4BC2-B762-12817210FCF2@onsrc.com>
	<20090722212836.GA17119@panix.com>
	<BFE24384-FFDA-4195-9470-CC949AC9E3DD@onsrc.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907221453g637db8f6r33ba6dde5cac05d0@mail.gmail.com>

> Pardon the confusion: I misread.
> Based on the Cal Train and light rail schedules (assuming everything is
> running on time). ?I can get to the convention center by *6:23 PM*.
> Just let me know if I should meet folks in front of the convention center or
> in front of the restaurant.


since there will already be ppl like aahz and perhaps myself already
eating, i'd just suggest u go inside upon arrival.

-wesley

From eddymul at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 00:50:05 2009
From: eddymul at gmail.com (Eddy Mulyono)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:50:05 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON and Spam
In-Reply-To: <3F897787-1F44-44E2-9041-6E6B98C3B871@glenjarvis.com>
References: <3F897787-1F44-44E2-9041-6E6B98C3B871@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <67357fc10907221550r420237b9me4e7f1b4f2470a9a@mail.gmail.com>

2009/7/22 Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>:
> I still have an extra can of SPAM that I need to give away... Can we do a
> SPAM Raffle at Oscon or something? Fundraiser for BayPIGgies at our booth?
>
> Seriously, I need to get rid of this crap. Since I bought some for Spamalot,
> I have extra.
>
> On an interesting note, I also bought the Spam *Lite* single serving pack...
> I was starving the other day and made a spam sandwich. This *light* single
> serving is 150 calories. Of those 150 calories, 100 come from fat!?! (And
> this is light?)
>
> Anyhow, shall I bring the extra can of Spam for us to do any kind of
> auction... It's silly.. or maybe creative... and sounds fun :)

+1 for auction. Maybe at the BayPIGgies OSCON BOF.

Preferably showing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eYSuPKP3Y

before hand.

:)

-Eddy

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 23 03:42:18 2009
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:42:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON and Spam
In-Reply-To: <67357fc10907221550r420237b9me4e7f1b4f2470a9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3F897787-1F44-44E2-9041-6E6B98C3B871@glenjarvis.com>
	<67357fc10907221550r420237b9me4e7f1b4f2470a9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W46EC1BA67316F595AC683FA0180@phx.gbl>


+1

We tie up the overdue book reviewers and force them to eat the spam...?
Like a geeky Fear Factor.

> From: eddymul at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:50:05 -0700
> To: glen at glenjarvis.com
> CC: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] OSCON and Spam
> 
> 2009/7/22 Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>:
> > I still have an extra can of SPAM that I need to give away... Can we do a
> > SPAM Raffle at Oscon or something? Fundraiser for BayPIGgies at our booth?
> >
> > Seriously, I need to get rid of this crap. Since I bought some for Spamalot,
> > I have extra.
> >
> > On an interesting note, I also bought the Spam *Lite* single serving pack...
> > I was starving the other day and made a spam sandwich. This *light* single
> > serving is 150 calories. Of those 150 calories, 100 come from fat!?! (And
> > this is light?)
> >
> > Anyhow, shall I bring the extra can of Spam for us to do any kind of
> > auction... It's silly.. or maybe creative... and sounds fun :)
> 
> +1 for auction. Maybe at the BayPIGgies OSCON BOF.
> 
> Preferably showing
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eYSuPKP3Y
> 
> before hand.
> 
> :)
> 
> -Eddy


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From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:01:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON dinner
Message-ID: <20090723150130.GA17614@panix.com>

Please RSVP today (Thurs) by 5pm if you want to make sure to have a seat
with me, Wes, and Ryan at http://www.thebluechipsj.com/ from 6-7pm.

325 S. First Street 95113
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From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 23 23:42:50 2009
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:42:50 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another BoF at 5:20pm: "Design Patterns" in Dynamic
 Languages, Neal Ford
Message-ID: <BAY111-W363923A67E35A8A213A469A0180@phx.gbl>


[There's another interesting BoF today, it sounds awesome but probably too early for me to catch,
does anyone want to check it out and see if it would be useful to BayPIGgies sometime? - Stephen]

http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/7754
"Design Patterns" in Dynamic Languages
	
		
			
				Neal Ford (ThoughtWorks)
	



    



		
			
	
	 5:20pm
	Thursday, 07/23/2009
	


			




	
	  
		
			Java, 
		
			Programming, 
		
			Ruby

		
	  
	


	Location: Meeting Room J1/J4
	
		 
		 
	
	

	



		

		

		
			
		

		
		  The
Gang of Four book was actually 2 books: a nomenclature describing
common software problems and a recipe book for solutions. The
vocabulary they defined is still useful. The recipes are a disaster!
Dynamic languages (like Groovy and Ruby) have powerful meta-programming
facilities far beyond statically typed languages. It turns out that
many of the structural design patterns in the Gang of Four book and
beyond are much easier to solve with meta-programming. This session
compares and contrasts the ?traditional? approach of design patterns
with a more nuanced meta-programming approach. Using language features
creates cleaner abstractions with fewer lines of code and little or no
additional structure. This session shows one of the many reasons that
dynamic languages are such a hot topic.

		
	












	
		People planning to attend this session also want to see:
		What Every Developer Should Know About Database ScalabilityThe HTML 5 ExperimentsUsing Hadoop for Big Data AnalysisFunctional Programming for the Real World - CANCELED!
	





	
	
		
			
		
	
		Neal Ford

		
			
				ThoughtWorks
			

			
				Neal
Ford is Software Architect and Meme Wrangler at ThoughtWorks, a global
IT consultancy with an exclusive focus on end-to-end software
development and delivery. He is also the designer and developer of
applications, instructional materials, magazine articles, courseware,
video/DVD presentations, and author and/or editor of 6 books spanning a
variety of technologies, including the most recent The Productive
Programmer. He focuses on designing and building of large-scale
enterprise applications. He is also an internationally acclaimed
speaker, speaking at over 100 developer conferences worldwide,
delivering more than 600 talks. Check out his web site at
http://www.nealford.com. He welcomes feedback and can be reached at
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From wescpy at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 00:16:34 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:16:34 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another BoF at 5:20pm: "Design Patterns" in
	Dynamic Languages, Neal Ford
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W363923A67E35A8A213A469A0180@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY111-W363923A67E35A8A213A469A0180@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580907231516i69b8ac5bk474cf07614d2d343@mail.gmail.com>

all,

this is not a BoF, so don't come early unless you have a session
badge. the security dogs do bark.

-wesley


On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Stephen
McInerney<spmcinerney at hotmail.com> wrote:
> [There's another interesting BoF today, it sounds awesome but probably too
> early for me to catch,

From bender at onsrc.com  Fri Jul 24 00:35:57 2009
From: bender at onsrc.com (Ryan Delucchi)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:35:57 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another BoF at 5:20pm: "Design Patterns" in
	Dynamic Languages, Neal Ford
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580907231516i69b8ac5bk474cf07614d2d343@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY111-W363923A67E35A8A213A469A0180@phx.gbl>
	<78b3a9580907231516i69b8ac5bk474cf07614d2d343@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <508129AD-8D40-4911-9AB6-F36043F95469@onsrc.com>

errr ... I was about to jet early for this one: oh well.

On Jul 23, 2009, at 3:16 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:

> all,
>
> this is not a BoF, so don't come early unless you have a session
> badge. the security dogs do bark.
>
> -wesley
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Stephen
> McInerney<spmcinerney at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> [There's another interesting BoF today, it sounds awesome but  
>> probably too
>> early for me to catch,
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From t at of.net  Fri Jul 24 00:38:48 2009
From: t at of.net (T)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:38:48 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting at OSCON Thursday July 23,
	2009: 	Semantic Apps with cubicweb
In-Reply-To: <6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
References: <1248153906.6642.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<6285DCD7-6496-4DE1-BEA2-31A71095C3FF@onsrc.com>
Message-ID: <3424dc900907231538p4c81107uf95fc2c6acd63f5c@mail.gmail.com>

You are more likely to get takers if you propose a specific place and time, IMHO

Best Regards.


On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Ryan Delucchi<bender at onsrc.com> wrote:
> Any possibility of having a subset of us meet for a quick dinner before the
> OSCON talk? This will be my first meeting in the group so if there is some
> protocol i'm missing please let me know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ryan
>
> On Jul 20, 2009, at 10:25 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> BayPIGgies meeting at OSCON Thursday July 23, 2009:
>> Semantic Apps with CubicWeb, by Sandrine Ribeau
>>
>>
>> Meetings start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of an
>> essential Python feature, specially for those new to Python.
>>
>> Tonight's Newbie Nugget: ?Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
>>
>>
>> NOTE:
>> The July 23 BayPIGgies meeting is at OSCON, room B2, at 8:00 PM.
>> Come at 7:00 PM for Wesley Chun's "What Is Python" talk in room B2.
>>
>> You must register to get in:
>> Register to attend OSCON (free registration)
>> https://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/register
>>
>> What's FREE at OSCON?
>> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/content/free
>>
>> The BayPIGgies meeting is part of the Birds of a Feather program:
>> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/stype/BoF
>>
>> Info about the BayPIGgies July Meeting
>> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10349
>>
>> Info about "What Is Python", by Wesley Chun, 7:00 PM Thursday July 23,
>> Room B2
>> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/schedule/detail/10214
>>
>>
>> LOCATION is at OSCON:
>> San Jose McEnery Convention Center
>> 150 West San Carlos St.
>> San Jose, CA 95113
>> http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/content/hotel
>>
>>
>> BayPIGgies meeting information is available at
>> http://baypiggies.net/new/plone
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------ Agenda ------------------------
>>
>> ..... 8:00 PM ...........................
>> General hubbub, any first-minute announcements.
>>
>>
>> ..... 8:05 PM to 8:15 PM ................
>>
>> Newbie Nugget: Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
>>
>> An all around look at metaclasses, covering intro, uses
>> (good and bad), and alternatives.
>>
>>
>>
>> ..... 8:15 PM to 9:00 PM ................
>>
>> Tonight's talk:
>> Semantic Apps with CubicWeb
>> by Sandrine Ribeau
>>
>> The CubicWeb framework makes a construction game of building
>> semantic web applications that have both a HTML/Ajax rich
>> user interface and a RDF/OWL-based data interface.
>>
>> This talk introduces the design of CubicWeb, focusing on key
>> differences from other frameworks, such as applying views to
>> selections of objects implementing the required interface,
>> multi-database support, migration and versioning for maintenance
>> over several years, and truly reusable components, with examples
>> of integration within the Linked Data cloud, with Google Maps,
>> and with faceted search.
>>
>>
>> ..... 9:00 PM to 9:30 PM ?................
>> Mapping and Random Access
>>
>> Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics
>> the announcers are interested in.
>>
>> Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up
>> individually on the announcements and other topics of
>> interest.
>>
>>
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From dpriddle at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 00:47:03 2009
From: dpriddle at gmail.com (David Riddle)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:47:03 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] dinner
Message-ID: <7d751b2d0907231547m71e24a8xce0e388a9c747355@mail.gmail.com>

Count me in for dinner @ the blue chip.  I'm leaving from emeryville now,
should make it in time.
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From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 24 02:56:28 2009
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another BoF at 5:20pm: "Design Patterns" in
 Dynamic Languages, Neal Ford
In-Reply-To: <508129AD-8D40-4911-9AB6-F36043F95469@onsrc.com>
References: <BAY111-W363923A67E35A8A213A469A0180@phx.gbl>
	<78b3a9580907231516i69b8ac5bk474cf07614d2d343@mail.gmail.com>
	<508129AD-8D40-4911-9AB6-F36043F95469@onsrc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W32D2530DFBDD02FEF4FDCEA0190@phx.gbl>


Yeah apologies, the web directory is very unclear, it was directly linked from a BoF.

("People interested in this are also interested in...")
 
> From: bender at onsrc.com
> To: wescpy at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Another BoF at 5:20pm: "Design Patterns" in Dynamic Languages, Neal Ford
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:35:57 -0700
> CC: spmcinerney at hotmail.com; baypiggies at python.org
> 
> errr ... I was about to jet early for this one: oh well.
> 
> On Jul 23, 2009, at 3:16 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > all,
> >
> > this is not a BoF, so don't come early unless you have a session
> > badge. the security dogs do bark.
> >
> > -wesley
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Stephen
> > McInerney<spmcinerney at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> [There's another interesting BoF today, it sounds awesome but 
> >> probably too
> >> early for me to catch,
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Fri Jul 24 04:42:23 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:42:23 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] By the hair on my chinny chin
Message-ID: <FB13D023-43C2-464F-A302-8E54950883BC@glenjarvis.com>

I'm outside by the park street entrance. I can't get in to our meeting  
tonight. heeeelllp......

Glen

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jul 24 06:24:26 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:24:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] By the hair on my chinny chin
In-Reply-To: <FB13D023-43C2-464F-A302-8E54950883BC@glenjarvis.com>
References: <FB13D023-43C2-464F-A302-8E54950883BC@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <20090724042425.GA1155@panix.com>

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
> I'm outside by the park street entrance. I can't get in to our meeting  
> tonight. heeeelllp......

"I see no Park Street here."

Hrm, how many years has it been since the last time you were at the San
Jose Convention Center?  Looks like you're trying to use the *old*
location where The Tech Museum is now.
-- 
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refer to comments in code as 'lies'. :-)"
--Michael Foord paraphrases Christian Muirhead on python-dev, 2009-03-22

From niallo at unworkable.org  Sat Jul 25 00:45:44 2009
From: niallo at unworkable.org (Niall O'Higgins)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:45:44 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Py Web SF #2: 6pm, Tues July 28th,
	SF Main Public Library
Message-ID: <20090724224544.GW5212@unworkable.org>

Hi folks,

I have confirmed the venue, time and speaker lineup for this month's PyWebSF
meet!

PyWebSF is a Python meet-up with a strong focus on Web technology. From
frameworks like WSGI/Pylons/TurboGears/Django to libraries like httplib2 to
using emerging Web technologies like Amazon's AWS and Freebase - its all
covered.

The emphasis is on practical, hands-on lectures and discussion. Meetings start
with one or two 10-20 minute presentations and end with informal discussion.
Hackathon-style collaboration and project demos are encouraged.

Who/What
--------

* Aseem Mohanty - "Django or Pylons: Making choices"

* Alec Flett - "Scaling Python web applications: From frameworks, to caches, to
using multiple cores - and more!"

When
----

6pm, Tuesday, 28th July 2009.  Please try to arrive on time to avoid
disappointment.  We have space for around 10-20 people.

Where
-----

Stong conference room, 1st floor, SF Main Public Library.
Map: http://tinyurl.com/pywebsfmap

The library is easily accessible via both BART and Muni at the Civic Center
station.  The library closes at 8pm so we will continue the discussion over
food/drinks at Frjtz Fries [http://www.frjtzfries.com].

More info
---------

See http://pywebsf.org/

Thanks!

-- 
Niall O'Higgins
PyWebSF
http://pywebsf.org
http://niallohiggins.com

From jessica.1980.smith at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 10:23:48 2009
From: jessica.1980.smith at gmail.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:23:48 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] I am trying to compile python 2.6.2 on my Mac
Message-ID: <ac1384480907260123q4e0bb68ew489164e385993562@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I am trying to compile Python 2.6.2 on my Mac which has os/x 10.5.7

I downloaded python 2.6.2 from here:
  - http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.6.2/Python-2.6.2.tar.bz2

I unpacked it.

I ran these shell commands:
  - ./configure --prefix=/pt/p
  - make

Near the end of the make output I see this message:

. Failed to find the necessary bits to build these modules:
. _bsddb             gdbm               linuxaudiodev
. ossaudiodev        readline           spwd
. sunaudiodev
. To find the necessary bits, look in setup.py in detect_modules() for
the module's name.

I looked in setup.py in detect_modules()

It is not clear to me how to proceed.

I think that I want the module: "readline"

I doubt I need the other modules like linuxaudiodev, etc.

If you have any clues or opinions on how I can build the module "readline",
please feel free to share.

Thanks,
JRS

From jon at inklesspen.com  Sun Jul 26 10:33:49 2009
From: jon at inklesspen.com (Jon Rosebaugh)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:33:49 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] I am trying to compile python 2.6.2 on my Mac
In-Reply-To: <ac1384480907260123q4e0bb68ew489164e385993562@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac1384480907260123q4e0bb68ew489164e385993562@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7C19603-195F-4818-AE92-561C029BEDCA@inklesspen.com>

On Jul 26, 2009, at 1:23 AM, Jessica Smith wrote:
> I think that I want the module: "readline"
>
> I doubt I need the other modules like linuxaudiodev, etc.
>
> If you have any clues or opinions on how I can build the module  
> "readline",
> please feel free to share.

Readline most likely requires the GPL-licensed library readline: http://cnswww.cns.cwru.edu/php/chet/readline/rltop.html

Any particular reason you're compiling on your own, rather than using  
the official OS X Python installer (http://python.org/ftp/python/2.6.2/python-2.6.2-macosx2009-04-16.dmg 
) or something like Macports to automate the dependency process?

From jessica.1980.smith at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 11:08:24 2009
From: jessica.1980.smith at gmail.com (Jessica Smith)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:08:24 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] I am trying to compile python 2.6.2 on my Mac
In-Reply-To: <A7C19603-195F-4818-AE92-561C029BEDCA@inklesspen.com>
References: <ac1384480907260123q4e0bb68ew489164e385993562@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7C19603-195F-4818-AE92-561C029BEDCA@inklesspen.com>
Message-ID: <ac1384480907260208s3fb4055bp8722e74637f69f60@mail.gmail.com>

Jon , others ,
I like to compile.

The main key to my solution was macports:

  - http://chrismiles.livejournal.com/25648.html
  - install mac ports
  - port install readline
  - vi  setup.py

    def detect_modules(self):
        # Ensure that /usr/local is always used
        add_dir_to_list(self.compiler.library_dirs, '/opt/local/lib')
        add_dir_to_list(self.compiler.include_dirs, '/opt/local/include')

  - configure --prefix=/pt/p
  - make
  - make install

JRS


On 7/26/09, Jon Rosebaugh <jon at inklesspen.com> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 1:23 AM, Jessica Smith wrote:
>> I think that I want the module: "readline"
>>
>> I doubt I need the other modules like linuxaudiodev, etc.
>>
>> If you have any clues or opinions on how I can build the module
>> "readline",
>> please feel free to share.
>
> Readline most likely requires the GPL-licensed library readline:
> http://cnswww.cns.cwru.edu/php/chet/readline/rltop.html
>
> Any particular reason you're compiling on your own, rather than using
> the official OS X Python installer
> (http://python.org/ftp/python/2.6.2/python-2.6.2-macosx2009-04-16.dmg
> ) or something like Macports to automate the dependency process?
>

From wescpy at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 19:46:53 2009
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wescpy at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:46:53 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] I am trying to compile python 2.6.2 on my Mac
In-Reply-To: <ac1384480907260208s3fb4055bp8722e74637f69f60@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac1384480907260123q4e0bb68ew489164e385993562@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7C19603-195F-4818-AE92-561C029BEDCA@inklesspen.com>
	<ac1384480907260208s3fb4055bp8722e74637f69f60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D100CA1D-F55D-4CAB-A0C1-4E644D843E25@gmail.com>

yup, this is a very common recipe. so as to not let my own builds of  
2.6 or 3.x conflict with apple's, i use "make altinstall" instead.

-wesley

via myPhone

On Jul 26, 2009, at 2:08 AM, Jessica Smith <jessica. 
1980.smith at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jon , others ,
> I like to compile.
>
> The main key to my solution was macports:
>
>  - http://chrismiles.livejournal.com/25648.html
>  - install mac ports
>  - port install readline
>  - vi  setup.py
>
>    def detect_modules(self):
>        # Ensure that /usr/local is always used
>        add_dir_to_list(self.compiler.library_dirs, '/opt/local/lib')
>        add_dir_to_list(self.compiler.include_dirs, '/opt/local/ 
> include')
>
>  - configure --prefix=/pt/p
>  - make
>  - make install
>
> JRS
>
>
> On 7/26/09, Jon Rosebaugh <jon at inklesspen.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 26, 2009, at 1:23 AM, Jessica Smith wrote:
>>> I think that I want the module: "readline"
>>>
>>> I doubt I need the other modules like linuxaudiodev, etc.
>>>
>>> If you have any clues or opinions on how I can build the module
>>> "readline",
>>> please feel free to share.
>>
>> Readline most likely requires the GPL-licensed library readline:
>> http://cnswww.cns.cwru.edu/php/chet/readline/rltop.html
>>
>> Any particular reason you're compiling on your own, rather than using
>> the official OS X Python installer
>> (http://python.org/ftp/python/2.6.2/python-2.6.2-macosx2009-04-16.dmg
>> ) or something like Macports to automate the dependency process?
>>
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Jul 27 03:31:39 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:31:39 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: preliminary report
Message-ID: <20090727013139.GA29412@panix.com>

Howdy,

I'm starting my new job tomorrow, and I don't know when I'll have a
chance to make a final report about the Python booth at OSCON.  So this
is the short version.

First I thank the other volunteers who helped staff the booth:

Brent Tubbs
Edward Cherlin
Casey Duncan
Anna Martelli Ravenscroft

Edward deserves a special mention for bringing a couple of his laptops,
including an OLPC XO.  They got a lot of attention.

It's hard to say whether the booth was a success on any kind of absolute
scale, but we seemed to get about as much traffic as most of the other
free booths.  I'm glad I chose to make a large three foot by six foot
banner (it was visible from the front door of the exhibit hall).  We got
a fair number of people who had never used Python asking questions; we
also got some people who were Python newbies wanting advice on improving
their knowledge and even some long-term Python users looking for expert
advice.

Overall, I think it was a good use of the PSF's money.
-- 
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"Many customs in this life persist because they ease friction and promote
productivity as a result of universal agreement, and whether they are
precisely the optimal choices is much less important." --Henry Spencer

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Jul 27 14:25:36 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:25:36 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON: preliminary report
In-Reply-To: <20090727013139.GA29412@panix.com>
References: <20090727013139.GA29412@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20090727122536.GA13476@panix.com>

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009, Aahz wrote:
>
> First I thank the other volunteers who helped staff the booth:
> 
> Brent Tubbs
> Edward Cherlin
> Casey Duncan
> Anna Martelli Ravenscroft

In my haste to send this off, I forgot to thank one other person:

Shannon -jj Behrens
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"Many customs in this life persist because they ease friction and promote
productivity as a result of universal agreement, and whether they are
precisely the optimal choices is much less important." --Henry Spencer

From sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 19:28:02 2009
From: sandrine.ribeau at gmail.com (Sandrine Ribeau)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:28:02 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CubicWeb - slides
Message-ID: <e337009b0907271028ra7ab485w749c53c696096d65@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

Thanks again for giving me the opportunity to introduce you to CubicWeb.
The slides I presented are the same which have been presented during
EuroPython 2009 and they are posted on
http://www.logilab.fr/publications/europython2009-cubicweb.
If you have any questions or remarks, please feel free to use our mailing
list cubicweb at lists.cubicweb.org.

Sandrine.
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Jul 28 01:30:45 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:30:45 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Java Question (Yes, It's Python related :)
Message-ID: <0AF6AFFE-3599-49C3-A874-E88BAD829774@glenjarvis.com>

Please don't 'x' me off the list for asking a Java question :)

I am *not* a Java programmer. I am also *not* a Perl programmer. I am  
moving to a new task to review a set of software written in Perl that  
accesses Java Batik (http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/). Normally,  
I'd want to rewrite in Python just because I like Python so much.

However, surprisingly, this code isn't too bad at all -- that says  
something if a non-perl programmer can read it :)

Also, Batik is an Apache XML Graphics Project -- So, I need to decide  
on another infrastructure or to stick with what we have. Has any other  
python developers ran into this? Did you stick with what worked? Did  
you rewrite? Can PIL do SVG graphics?

Also note that we'd like real-time rendering (if possible) via URL  
(like Google Graph API).

This is an experienced based question - not a technology question.  
Sometimes it's better to reuse -- sometimes it's better to rewrite.

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Jul 28 01:45:07 2009
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:45:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Cairo Question
In-Reply-To: <0AF6AFFE-3599-49C3-A874-E88BAD829774@glenjarvis.com>
References: <0AF6AFFE-3599-49C3-A874-E88BAD829774@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <A07A2772-3061-4ACF-8BDB-A7A0F38C0EEC@glenjarvis.com>

My basic Wiki searching has told me that this is done via Cairo and  
there are Python bindings. Let me amend my question. Does anyone have  
experience with this? Are there any gotchas?

Cheers,


Glen


On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:

> Please don't 'x' me off the list for asking a Java question :)
>
> I am *not* a Java programmer. I am also *not* a Perl programmer. I  
> am moving to a new task to review a set of software written in Perl  
> that accesses Java Batik (http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/).  
> Normally, I'd want to rewrite in Python just because I like Python  
> so much.
>
> However, surprisingly, this code isn't too bad at all -- that says  
> something if a non-perl programmer can read it :)
>
> Also, Batik is an Apache XML Graphics Project -- So, I need to  
> decide on another infrastructure or to stick with what we have. Has  
> any other python developers ran into this? Did you stick with what  
> worked? Did you rewrite? Can PIL do SVG graphics?
>
> Also note that we'd like real-time rendering (if possible) via URL  
> (like Google Graph API).
>
> This is an experienced based question - not a technology question.  
> Sometimes it's better to reuse -- sometimes it's better to rewrite.


From andrew at atoulou.se  Tue Jul 28 02:07:25 2009
From: andrew at atoulou.se (Andy Toulouse)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:07:25 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Cairo Question
In-Reply-To: <A07A2772-3061-4ACF-8BDB-A7A0F38C0EEC@glenjarvis.com>
References: <0AF6AFFE-3599-49C3-A874-E88BAD829774@glenjarvis.com>
	<A07A2772-3061-4ACF-8BDB-A7A0F38C0EEC@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <4F94D1D1-1AB0-4680-868A-BECBD19ADAF0@atoulou.se>

I've had good experiences with Cairo. One caveat is that because the C  
documentation is solid, the Python bindings are not as well  
documented. However, this is a minuscule annoyance, the bindings map  
very well.

For streaming out images I believe a common idiom is to write the PNG  
to a cStreamIO object. I am not familiar with the SVG backend of  
Cairo, unfortunately, and if you run into issues I'd say they're most  
likely to be here.

In any case, it's a fun API, and pretty speedy IMO. Have fun and I  
hope to hear about your experiences with it!

--Andy

On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:

> My basic Wiki searching has told me that this is done via Cairo and  
> there are Python bindings. Let me amend my question. Does anyone  
> have experience with this? Are there any gotchas?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Glen
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
>> Please don't 'x' me off the list for asking a Java question :)
>>
>> I am *not* a Java programmer. I am also *not* a Perl programmer. I  
>> am moving to a new task to review a set of software written in Perl  
>> that accesses Java Batik (http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/).  
>> Normally, I'd want to rewrite in Python just because I like Python  
>> so much.
>>
>> However, surprisingly, this code isn't too bad at all -- that says  
>> something if a non-perl programmer can read it :)
>>
>> Also, Batik is an Apache XML Graphics Project -- So, I need to  
>> decide on another infrastructure or to stick with what we have. Has  
>> any other python developers ran into this? Did you stick with what  
>> worked? Did you rewrite? Can PIL do SVG graphics?
>>
>> Also note that we'd like real-time rendering (if possible) via URL  
>> (like Google Graph API).
>>
>> This is an experienced based question - not a technology question.  
>> Sometimes it's better to reuse -- sometimes it's better to rewrite.
>
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Jul 28 04:46:11 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:46:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Egnyte: hiring
Message-ID: <20090728024611.GA4649@panix.com>

My new company (I just started today) closed a big venture capital round
(also today) and is looking to hire more people, preferably with Python
experience:

Senior Linux Engineer:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sof/1292008176.html

Senior Platforms Engineer:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sof/1291776907.html

Venture announcement:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=21777

I can't say a lot about the company myself yet, but I've gotten a good
impression of the team and the business plan.  Find out more here:
http://www.egnyte.com/
-- 
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"Many customs in this life persist because they ease friction and promote
productivity as a result of universal agreement, and whether they are
precisely the optimal choices is much less important." --Henry Spencer

From mobiledreamers at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 05:31:25 2009
From: mobiledreamers at gmail.com (mobiledreamers at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:31:25 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Egnyte: hiring
In-Reply-To: <20090728024611.GA4649@panix.com>
References: <20090728024611.GA4649@panix.com>
Message-ID: <c1870d60907272031i2413f84bu2b00cb52ba2a8cac@mail.gmail.com>

Seems interesting
http://fotoroll.com/searchvideo?q=vineet%20jain,%20ceo%20of%20egnyte&id=0&type=video

<http://fotoroll.com/searchvideo?q=vineet%20jain,%20ceo%20of%20egnyte&id=0&type=video>

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> My new company (I just started today) closed a big venture capital round
> (also today) and is looking to hire more people, preferably with Python
> experience:
>
> Senior Linux Engineer:
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sof/1292008176.html
>
> Senior Platforms Engineer:
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sof/1291776907.html
>
> Venture announcement:
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=21777
>
> I can't say a lot about the company myself yet, but I've gotten a good
> impression of the team and the business plan.  Find out more here:
> http://www.egnyte.com/
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>
> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "Many customs in this life persist because they ease friction and promote
> productivity as a result of universal agreement, and whether they are
> precisely the optimal choices is much less important." --Henry Spencer
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From aleax at google.com  Thu Jul 30 17:53:22 2009
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:53:22 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] a useful summary of programming paradigms
Message-ID: <55dc209b0907300853x22d01b54l3731999801e02e57@mail.gmail.com>

To anybody interested in the subject (including JJ, who's studying it
in depth in Van Roy's great book), I recommend the useful summary at
http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/VanRoyChapter.pdf -- not as deep as the
book of course, but an excellent and very readable survey.


Alex

From echerlin at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 20:42:53 2009
From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:42:53 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] a useful summary of programming paradigms
In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0907300853x22d01b54l3731999801e02e57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55dc209b0907300853x22d01b54l3731999801e02e57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e574f6eb0907301142y5e4c1276mffa261100ff16596@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Alex Martelli<aleax at google.com> wrote:
> To anybody interested in the subject (including JJ, who's studying it
> in depth in Van Roy's great book), I recommend the useful summary at
> http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/VanRoyChapter.pdf

Well done. I'll have to look into this more deeply. In particular, how
much of this is supported in Python?

Of course, it does not cover all of the paradigms (FORTH, at one
extreme), and in some places it glosses over major issues. Notably, it
lumps strings, lists, arrays, and trees under records. Nobody could
confuse SNOBOL, LISP/SCHEME, flat-array APL, and J with each other.

I would be interested to see how well Parrot supports these various
paradigms, and will go ask.

> -- not as deep as the
> book of course, but an excellent and very readable survey.
>
>
> Alex
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 22:18:23 2009
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:18:23 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] a useful summary of programming paradigms
In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0907300853x22d01b54l3731999801e02e57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55dc209b0907300853x22d01b54l3731999801e02e57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90907301318n6a9e4679k1212c0fb5ec1550a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Alex Martelli<aleax at google.com> wrote:
> To anybody interested in the subject (including JJ, who's studying it
> in depth in Van Roy's great book), I recommend the useful summary at
> http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/VanRoyChapter.pdf -- not as deep as the
> book of course, but an excellent and very readable survey.

Yeah, I can't get enough of that book:
http://www.amazon.com/Concepts-Techniques-Models-Computer-Programming/dp/0262220695

Learning how to code using declarative programming, including data
flow variables and pass by name was quite enjoyable.

-jj

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