From rstephe at sun.science.wayne.edu Mon Dec 1 05:25:38 2008 From: rstephe at sun.science.wayne.edu (Robert Stephenson) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:25:38 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Program for the Future Conference - Dec. 8-9 Message-ID: This conference may be of interest to some BayPIGgies. We are also looking for volunteers and demos of collective intelligence tools. On Dec. 8-9, The Tech Museum in partnership with the MIT Museum will sponsor a major conference and design challenge entitled Program for the Future. Its goal is as ambitious as its title. The Program for the Future is about tools that improve our collective intelligence, and is inspired by the vision of Doug Engelbart -- the man who invented the computer mouse, graphical user interface and pioneered the concept of networked computers -- to harness technology to augment human intellect and improve our ability to work together. On December 8 and 9 we'll hear from some of today's most provocative speakers, then brainstorm ways to enhance our capability for problem solving, decision making, knowledge organization, and planning in every field of human endeavor. Featured Speakers * Professor Thomas Malone, Founding Director, MIT Center for Collective Intelligence * Professor Hiroshi Ishii, Associate Director, MIT Media Laboratory * Peter Norvig, Director of Research, Google * Andries van Dam, Professor, Brown University * Alan Kay, President, Viewpoints Research Institute * Steve Wozniak, co-founder, Apple Computer, Inc. * Dr. Peter Friess, President, the Tech Museum of Innovation For more information, see the conference program or this blog post. There is an early-bird price through this Monday, Dec. 1 only and members of SD Forum, Berkeley alums and some other groups get a special rate. There will also be free registration for virtual participants, and a special rate for those who wish to volunteer to help with the 2-day event (the volunteer signup will be announced on Dec. 2). To register, go to programforthefuture.org/registration. Information about the design challenge that will launch at the conference is attached. I hope to see some BayPIGgies at the Program for the Future! - Rob Stephenson please send replies to rstephenson at thetech.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dr. Robert S. Stephenson * E-learning Architect * rstephe at alumni.princeton.edu * (415) 373-5239 * http://sun.science.wayne.edu/~rstephe * * Webmaster * California Universal Health Care Organizing Project * http://singlepayernow.net * * Chief Architect and Principal Investigator * http://OpenCourse.Org * Supporting virtual communities of e-learning developers. * * Founder * The Harvey Project * Open Course Physiology on the Web * http://HarveyProject.org * * Was I helpful? 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The Program for the Future is about tools that improve our collective > intelligence, and is inspired by the vision of Doug Engelbart -- the man who > invented the computer mouse, graphical user interface and pioneered the > concept of networked computers -- to harness technology to augment human > intellect and improve our ability to work together. > > On December 8 and 9 we'll hear from some of today's most provocative > speakers, then brainstorm ways to enhance our capability for problem > solving, decision making, knowledge organization, and planning in every > field of human endeavor. > *Featured Speakers* > * Professor Thomas Malone, Founding Director, MIT Center for Collective > Intelligence > * Professor Hiroshi Ishii, Associate Director, MIT Media Laboratory > * Peter Norvig, Director of Research, Google > * Andries van Dam, Professor, Brown University > * Alan Kay, President, Viewpoints Research Institute > * Steve Wozniak, co-founder, Apple Computer, Inc. > * Dr. Peter Friess, President, the Tech Museum of Innovation > For more information, see the conference program > or this blog post. > There is an early-bird price t*hrough this **Monday, Dec. 1 only* and > members of SD Forum, Berkeley alums and some other groups get a special > rate. There will also be free registration for virtual participants, and a > special rate for those who wish to volunteer to help with the 2-day event > (the volunteer signup will be announced on Dec. 2). To register, go to > programforthefuture.org/registration. Information about the > design challenge that will launch at the conference is attached. I hope to > see some BayPIGgies at the Program for the Future! > > - Rob Stephenson > *please send replies to **rstephenson at thetech.org* > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * Dr. Robert S. Stephenson > * E-learning Architect > * rstephe at alumni.princeton.edu > * (415) 373-5239 > * http://sun.science.wayne.edu/~rstephe > * > * Webmaster > * California Universal Health Care Organizing Project > * http://singlepayernow.net > * > * Chief Architect and Principal Investigator > * http://OpenCourse.Org > * Supporting virtual communities of e-learning developers. > * > * Founder > * The Harvey Project > * Open Course Physiology on the Web > * http://HarveyProject.org > * > * Was I helpful? Let others know: > * http://rate.affero.net/rstephe > * > * gpg key fingerprint: > * 4255 FB43 17C8 2B80 8074 7DB6 7DD7 939B F3F6 CB92 > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From progrium at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 08:17:29 2008 From: progrium at gmail.com (Jeff Lindsay) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:17:29 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Program for the Future Conference - Dec. 8-9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alternatively, Doug Engelbart himself and others will be speaking on the 9th at Stanford at a much cheaper price of admission: http://stanfordtickets.org/tickets/calendar/view.aspx?id=2324 -jeff On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > Dang it, this looks really good, but I'm broke and I've already been to too > many conferences lately. If someone goes, can they take notes? ;) > > -jj > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Robert Stephenson < > rstephe at sun.science.wayne.edu> wrote: > >> This conference may be of interest to some BayPIGgies. We are also >> looking for volunteers and demos of collective intelligence tools. >> >> On Dec. 8-9, The Tech Museum in partnership with the MIT Museum will >> sponsor a major conference and design challenge entitled *Program for the >> Future* . Its goal is as ambitious as >> its title. The Program for the Future is about tools that improve our >> collective intelligence, and is inspired by the vision of Doug Engelbart -- >> the man who invented the computer mouse, graphical user interface and >> pioneered the concept of networked computers -- to harness technology to >> augment human intellect and improve our ability to work together. >> >> On December 8 and 9 we'll hear from some of today's most provocative >> speakers, then brainstorm ways to enhance our capability for problem >> solving, decision making, knowledge organization, and planning in every >> field of human endeavor. >> *Featured Speakers* >> * Professor Thomas Malone, Founding Director, MIT Center for >> Collective Intelligence >> * Professor Hiroshi Ishii, Associate Director, MIT Media Laboratory >> * Peter Norvig, Director of Research, Google >> * Andries van Dam, Professor, Brown University >> * Alan Kay, President, Viewpoints Research Institute >> * Steve Wozniak, co-founder, Apple Computer, Inc. >> * Dr. Peter Friess, President, the Tech Museum of Innovation >> For more information, see the conference program >> or this blog post. >> There is an early-bird price t*hrough this **Monday, Dec. 1 only* and >> members of SD Forum, Berkeley alums and some other groups get a special >> rate. There will also be free registration for virtual participants, and a >> special rate for those who wish to volunteer to help with the 2-day event >> (the volunteer signup will be announced on Dec. 2). To register, go to >> programforthefuture.org/registration. Information about the >> design challenge that will launch at the conference is attached. I hope to >> see some BayPIGgies at the Program for the Future! >> >> - Rob Stephenson >> *please send replies to **rstephenson at thetech.org* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> * Dr. Robert S. Stephenson >> * E-learning Architect >> * rstephe at alumni.princeton.edu >> * (415) 373-5239 >> * http://sun.science.wayne.edu/~rstephe >> * >> * Webmaster >> * California Universal Health Care Organizing Project >> * http://singlepayernow.net >> * >> * Chief Architect and Principal Investigator >> * http://OpenCourse.Org >> * Supporting virtual communities of e-learning developers. >> * >> * Founder >> * The Harvey Project >> * Open Course Physiology on the Web >> * http://HarveyProject.org >> * >> * Was I helpful? Let others know: >> * http://rate.affero.net/rstephe >> * >> * gpg key fingerprint: >> * 4255 FB43 17C8 2B80 8074 7DB6 7DD7 939B F3F6 CB92 >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > > -- > In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with > great love. -- Mother Teresa > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Jeff Lindsay http://devjavu.com -- Free Trac and Subversion http://webhooks.org -- HTTP callbacks are the future -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leearchive at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 01:21:22 2008 From: leearchive at gmail.com (Lee Hinde) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:21:22 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Django meet-up being organized in SF/Bay Area. Message-ID: http://groups.google.com/group/django-sf From john_re at fastmail.us Wed Dec 3 12:28:03 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:28:03 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] BerkeleyTIP Great progress VOIP November - Dec 6 = Improve VOIP Message-ID: <1228303683.6189.1288009359@webmail.messagingengine.com> Pythonistas - Perhaps use phthon for Asterisk "conference room attendees" status? ProgrammingProject for Dec 6. We made GREAT progress with the November 1 meeting! :) I really can't believe how happy I am about it, & how far we advanced. We went from in September having no online attendees, to in October having 1 person remote on IRC, to in November having 7 people around the US all in a VOIP conference! It was _fantastic_! I was very impressed. I'm especially impressed with our online members, who basically took the info I had in the VOIP data page, & found a conference #, set up a conference, & got logged in, all while I was taking a short break! :) Besides two of us on VOIP in Berkeley, we had Oakland, San Fran, San Jose, Washington state, & North Carolina. Plus we had at least two other person on IRC who didn't have time to get on VOIP. It was so very enjoyable talking & listening to the guy in North Carolina - he had a _very_ strong southern accent, & I _rarely_ get to talk with someone with that accent. It was so fun knowing I was listening to someone who was _unmistakeably_ _not_ from the BayArea! We had a UCB student join us on IRC from one of the dorms - he'd seen the announcement I sent on the UCB SciPy list. This is all doubly exciting, because I _still_ didn't even get the announcements out until less than 24 hours before hand. Think how many more people might see the announcement in time to join us if I get it out 1 or two weeks ahead of time! Good progress is me getting _this_ announcement out about 3 weeks before the meeting to the BTIP groups. My goal is to get announcements to the "outside" mailing lists both this coming weekend (2 weeks) & the following weekend (1 week ahead). This will allow many more people to schedule the December 6 meeting into their schedules. :) =================== December 6 Progress Opportunities: Some things I might be doing: Getting announcements out for the first (or first advanced) time to Debian, GNU, FreeBSD, KDE, & maybe Ubuntu, Ekiga & Asterisk & 10 California LUG lists. Based on discussion that we didn't have a way to see a list of who was in the VOIP conference room, like in an IRC client, that is a possible target for the December Programming party. Maybe we can make some web ap that can do that? Or, some Python program which is like a IRC client for VOIP conference rooms? Perhaps we can modify the Ekiga sw? Also, I'll try to notify the Ekiga & Asterisk people about this, in case they'd like to help out. Discussion might be about K-Ubuntu 8.10. There's a new video from Christine Peterson about Open Source Environment Sensing. If you know of any new FSW videos, please email me or the list so I can put them on the BTIPG video page. Any comments or questions? Hope to see you in person in Berkeley, or VOIP conference with you all on Sat Dec 6. :) http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal From charles.merriam at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 21:37:26 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:37:26 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Next meeting? Message-ID: Is there a meeting next Thursday? Topic? From echerlin at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 22:10:08 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:10:08 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: [FM Discuss] flossmanuals summit In-Reply-To: <34ed65600812030401w45736161of34346157152fa38@mail.gmail.com> References: <34ed65600812030401w45736161of34346157152fa38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Free Software publishing company looking for Python programmers. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Aleksandar Erkalovic Date: Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:01 AM Subject: [FM Discuss] flossmanuals summit To: discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net hi, as adam already said in his e-mail we are in a hunt for some developers for this event in amsterdam: http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/wintercamp/ we are generaly in a hunt for people who are willing to help us (with current and new system we are developing) but event in amsterdam seems like a cool place to meet, hang out and work together. so if you are interested or you know someone (not just joining us at the event) who could be interested please tell them. anywho, let me tell you something about this new flossmanuals we are developing. there was couple of reasons but we decided to switch from twiki as a platform to combination of python+django+jquery+some_kind_of_sql. why? well, wiki is a great thing for making "prototypes" but we have comed to the point where we are asking for much much more then what twiki can offer us as a platform. at the end, extending twiki is as much work as writing our own system except we don't have to worry about rest of the twiki community accepting our changes in the core system. and considering twiki fork and problems in their community it is something to think about. so in next weeks/months we will have some working version of this new system. we will be more then happy to have someone to join us at the early stage of development or we can just meet in amsterdam and work together on some of the extensions that community might need. so... any kind of feedback or help is appreciated :) Aco -- http://www.binarni.net/ _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss at lists.flossmanuals.net http://lists.flossmanuals.net/listinfo.cgi/discuss-flossmanuals.net -- Silent Thunder (??/???????????????/????????????? ?) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai From jim at well.com Wed Dec 3 22:46:35 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:46:35 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Next meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1228340795.9569.78.camel@ubuntu> main talk is python on the nokia S60 by robert schultheis of nokia. the newbie nugget will be by alex martelli (topic to be discovered). On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 12:37 -0800, Charles Merriam wrote: > Is there a meeting next Thursday? Topic? > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From slander at unworkable.org Fri Dec 5 23:00:40 2008 From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:00:40 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PyGameSF meetup Monday December 8th 7pm @ Metreon San Francisco Message-ID: <20081205220040.GB2710@unworkable.org> Hi All, This months PyGameSF meet up is on Monday December 8th from 7pm on at the Metreon food court in San Francisco. This month's presentations are: -Casey Duncan "Intro to Blender, Part Deux" About: Using Sculpting and Multi-res, Creating and using materials, Lighting a scene. -Andrew Turley "Using Open Sound Control for Flexible Interfaces" About: Open Sound Control is an address-based communication protocol. Originally conceived as a replacement for MIDI, OSC is flexible enough to server be useful for many different types of applications. And because OSC libraries and implementations exist for many platforms and programming languages, it is trivial to add OSC support to a program. This talk will provide an overview of OSC in general, a survey of several OSC implementations (including at least on for Python), and a discussion of writing programs that use OSC and adding OSC support to existing programs. As an example of OSC programming for game control, there will also be a demo of the latest version of Unicorn Vs. Dolphin which can now be controlled using iPhones or iPod Touches running TouchOSC. -- Harry Tormey http://www.pygamesf.org From rdm at cfcl.com Fri Dec 5 22:58:51 2008 From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:58:51 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] First Bay Area Interpreted Languages Holiday Party! Message-ID: The Beer and Scripting SIG is pleased to announce that it is a co-sponsor of the First Bay Area Interpreted Languages Holiday Party What: party, no-host bar, pizza, potluck food, fundraising auction, hacking, schmoozing. Who: all users & hackers of scripting languages (however defined :-). When: Tuesday, December 16th, 7pm to ??? Where: Berkeley Yacht Club 1 Seawall Drive Berkeley Marina Berkeley, CA 94710 (venue sponsor: PinPoint Research) More details, and RSVP (!!! REQUIRED !!!), at: http://postgresql.meetup.com/1/calendar/9191101 -r -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm at cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development From rstephe at sun.science.wayne.edu Sat Dec 6 02:57:00 2008 From: rstephe at sun.science.wayne.edu (Robert Stephenson) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:57:00 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Demos opportunity [Re: Program for the Future Conference - Dec. 8-9] Message-ID: <85850465-374B-4226-A548-E938C0015151@sun.science.wayne.edu> Do you have a collective intelligence tool you would like to demo next Monday evening? Would you like a chance to show your stuff to Alan Kay, Andy van Dam, Doug Engelbart and others? Would you like to attend the Program for the Future Conference for $75 (instead of $275). Send an email describing your tool, mashup, etc. to rstephenson at thetech.org - Rob On Nov 30, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Robert Stephenson wrote: > This conference may be of interest to some BayPIGgies. We are also > looking for volunteers and demos of collective intelligence tools. > > On Dec. 8-9, The Tech Museum in partnership with the MIT Museum will > sponsor a major conference and design challenge entitled Program for > the Future. Its goal is as ambitious as its title. The Program for > the Future is about tools that improve our collective intelligence, > and is inspired by the vision of Doug Engelbart -- the man who > invented the computer mouse, graphical user interface and pioneered > the concept of networked computers -- to harness technology to > augment human intellect and improve our ability to work together. > > On December 8 and 9 we'll hear from some of today's most provocative > speakers, then brainstorm ways to enhance our capability for problem > solving, decision making, knowledge organization, and planning in > every field of human endeavor. > Featured Speakers > * Professor Thomas Malone, Founding Director, MIT Center for > Collective Intelligence > * Professor Hiroshi Ishii, Associate Director, MIT Media > Laboratory > * Peter Norvig, Director of Research, Google > * Andries van Dam, Professor, Brown University > * Alan Kay, President, Viewpoints Research Institute > * Steve Wozniak, co-founder, Apple Computer, Inc. > * Dr. Peter Friess, President, the Tech Museum of Innovation > For more information, see the conference program or this blog > post. There is an early-bird price through this Monday, Dec. 1 > only and members of SD Forum, Berkeley alums and some other groups > get a special rate. There will also be free registration for > virtual participants, and a special rate for those who wish to > volunteer to help with the 2-day event (the volunteer signup will be > announced on Dec. 2). To register, go to programforthefuture.org/ > registration. Information about the design challenge that will > launch at the conference is attached. 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Python for S60 enables rapid application prototyping and development for mobile devices and provides the ability to create installable, stand-alone S60 native UI applications using the application UI framework library. Tonight's Newbie Nugget is... Container Types, by Alex Martelli Container Types: Using the right one, and using it right! Python "out of the box" offers several container types, both built-in and in standard library modules, and many of these types offer a rich choice of methods and operators -- this is all great, but may make it hard for the newbie to pick the right container type, and use the right methods and operators on the chosen type. A 15-minute summary of this issue will hopefully be of help! Location: Google Campus Building 40, the Seville room (check in at the lobby in bldg 43) bayPIGgies meeting information: http://baypiggies.net/new/plone * Please sign up in advance to have your google access badge ready: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings (no later than close of business on Wednesday.) Agenda ..... 7:30 PM ........................... General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any first-minute announcements. ..... 7:35 PM to 7:45 PM ................ Newbie Nugget: Container Types by Alex Martelli ..... 7:45 PM to 8:45 PM ................ Python on the Nokia S60 by Robert Schultheis ..... 8:45 PM to 9:00 PM -- After The Talk ................ Mapping and Random Access Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcers are interested in. Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on the announcements and other topics of interest. From mrbmahoney at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 04:43:40 2008 From: mrbmahoney at gmail.com (Brian Mahoney) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 19:43:40 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Dinner Announcement - Thursday, December 11, 6 pm Message-ID: <5538c19b0812091943x4a2ea7efj82cf2a98adeeedab@mail.gmail.com> For Thursday, December 11, I can coordinate a pre-meeting dinner in Mountain View, before the BayPIGgies meeting at Google . Restaurant reservations may be sent to my email until Thursday afternoon (earlier is better). We eat family-style, there are vegetarian and non-vegetarian dishes. Cost around $10 per person, including tax and tip. Bring cash, please. Start dinner at 6pm and I will keep things moving so that we finish and get everyone headed towards Google to complete sign-in before the 7:30 meeting start. The restaurant is Cafe Yulong in downtown Mountain View (650) 960-1677 743 W Dana Street, 1/2 block from Castro where Books, Inc is on the corner. Parking lots all around, but downtown Mountain View parking can be difficult. It is a slightly out of the ordinary Chinese restaurant. This link has a downtown map and additional information. http://www.mountainviewca.net/restaurants/cafeyulong.html I've made reservations under "Python" for 6pm Thursday. If you wish to join us for dinner please e-mail me by 3 pm Thursday (earlier is better) so I may confirm the headcount. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjinux at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 04:48:33 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:48:33 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for part-time work Message-ID: Hey guys, My current startup (which I like a lot) is low on funds, so I'm looking for some interesting, part-time work, preferably a stand-alone project. Here's my resume: http://www.ironorchid.com/jjinux/resume/. 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URL: From wescpy at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 08:13:42 2008 From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:13:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SF Python Meetup, Our Location, Django SF Meetup, Intermediate Python@Foothill Message-ID: <78b3a9580812112313o3fe41a99o3bc70413fcbf0255@mail.gmail.com> (long-ish) FYI for those interested in intermediate Python, go to http://foothill.edu and search for Python. class runs on monday evenings 6-9:40p from 1/5-3/23. i enjoy giving back to the community, and since i don't make enough commits to open source projects, teaching is how i do it (naturally). the course is essentially a combination of my comprehensive intro plus advanced courses. you are expected to have completed an intro course (or equivalent experience) in Python already. mail me privately for more course info than what's on Foothill's website. also as mentioned in tonite's meeting, BayPIGgies has lost its meeting space at Google. kudos to Leslie H for sponsoring us for over the past 3 years... without her support and dedication, we could not have grown to our current membership size. CHEERS for LESLIE!! while we are going to determine the next meeting place soon, i let folks know that there is a new SF Python Meetup group that hooks up on the 1st wed of the month in case you're further north and can attend. here is the announcement for january's meeting: What: January Hack Session - Theme: App Engine When: January 7, 2009 7:00 PM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meetup Description: This month we'll be doing a hack session, so bring a pet project of your choosing and come code with us. You can stick to the theme, or stray from it, but we'll have a couple folks from the App Engine platform development team around to give folks a head start. If you're interested in getting started with it, or if you're stuck on something, this is a great opportunity to get the skinny. Learn more here: http://www.meetup.com/sfpython/calendar/9326004/ i also mentioned there is a new Django user group up in SF as well, and here is *their* website: http://groups.google.com/group/django-sf have a great holiday season and see you all next year! -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 "Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com From jjinux at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 19:57:23 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:57:23 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] We need a new meeting location Message-ID: > also as mentioned in tonite's meeting, BayPIGgies has lost its meeting > space at Google. kudos to Leslie H for sponsoring us for over the past > 3 years... without her support and dedication, we could not have grown > to our current membership size. CHEERS for LESLIE!! while we are going > to determine the next meeting place soon, i let folks know that there > is a new SF Python Meetup group that hooks up on the 1st wed of the > month in case you're further north and can attend. here is the > announcement for january's meeting: I want to call this out explicitly: WE NEED A NEW LOCATION TO MEET! Thank you Leslie and Google for hosting us for so long. Users groups are always struggling to find a place to meet, and it's been such a relief to rely on Google for so long! Unfortunately, the number of security guards required for Google to host our meeting deep within their building is too expensive for them to continue to do so. Times are tough, and we're all feeling the strain--you know I am ;) Leslie assured me that she's trying her hardest to find all the past videos of our meetings that never made it to Google video. I've heard that Google has more than a couple hard drives lying around, so finding all of the raw video so that it can be edited and put onto Google video is apparently quite a challenge. Leslie, if there's anything we can do to help push this forward, just ask. I think those videos are a lost treasure. The talks over the last couple years have been particularly good. If anyone can help find us a spot to meet for next month, now's the time to help! Thanks, -jj -- In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From lhawthorn at google.com Tue Dec 16 01:05:53 2008 From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:05:53 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] We need a new meeting location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4869cee70812151605n1abb2d6ah33675ef67c8af7eb@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: >> also as mentioned in tonite's meeting, BayPIGgies has lost its meeting >> space at Google. kudos to Leslie H for sponsoring us for over the past >> 3 years... without her support and dedication, we could not have grown >> to our current membership size. CHEERS for LESLIE!! while we are going >> to determine the next meeting place soon, i let folks know that there >> is a new SF Python Meetup group that hooks up on the 1st wed of the >> month in case you're further north and can attend. here is the >> announcement for january's meeting: > > I want to call this out explicitly: WE NEED A NEW LOCATION TO MEET! > > Thank you Leslie and Google for hosting us for so long. Users groups > are always struggling to find a place to meet, and it's been such a > relief to rely on Google for so long! > > Unfortunately, the number of security guards required for Google to > host our meeting deep within their building is too expensive for them > to continue to do so. Times are tough, and we're all feeling the > strain--you know I am ;) > > Leslie assured me that she's trying her hardest to find all the past > videos of our meetings that never made it to Google video. I've heard > that Google has more than a couple hard drives lying around, so > finding all of the raw video so that it can be edited and put onto > Google video is apparently quite a challenge. > > Leslie, if there's anything we can do to help push this forward, just > ask. I think those videos are a lost treasure. The talks over the > last couple years have been particularly good. > > If anyone can help find us a spot to meet for next month, now's the > time to help! Still working on finding the videos, and will post to the list when I have located them. I just want to let everyone on list know how much we have enjoyed having you as our guests. Best of luck with all your future endeavors and we hope to be able to host you folks again in the future when the economy is a bit brighter. Take care and Happy Holidays to all of you, LH From Neil_Katz at playstation.sony.com Tue Dec 16 17:36:05 2008 From: Neil_Katz at playstation.sony.com (Neil_Katz at playstation.sony.com) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:36:05 -0500 Subject: [Baypiggies] Job Opportunity - SCEA (Playstation) - Software Engineer - Python - Server Message-ID: Hi - I am hiring for the following full-time Python opportunity in our Foster City, CA office...please contact me if you are interested in pursuing...if you know someone who might be interested, please pass it onwards. Thanks, Neil U.S. Research & Development (US R&D) is building and expanding services for the PlayStation? family of platforms. The candidate will be a skilled Python software developer with experience in designing and implementing web applications with a database backend. The candidate will expand upon the currently implemented system and incorporate new requirements with opportunities in the design of new components and services. The candidate will work with the project manager and development team to maintain schedule and software quality. - Experience with scripting languages, especially Python, a must. Strong skills in Python-based web frameworks like Django may be considered as an alternative to Java expertise. - Knowledge in Java based web application and database application development a plus. Ideally be experienced with common application servers like Tomcat, web frameworks such as Struts, database application tools such as persistence layers and in SQL use. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can demonstrate the new version of Sugar, and give people a peek at the Python in some of the innards. Earth Treasury is organizing a consortium to create free textbooks incorporating the Smalltalk and Python goodness of Sugar. Alan Kay, Doug Engelbart, and the Tech Museum of Innovation want in, and I'm talking with many others. This will be on the exhibit floor, not in the program, because it came together only this month. > jim > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Silent Thunder (??/???????????????/????????????? ?) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai From asheesh at asheesh.org Wed Dec 24 01:00:32 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:00:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Baypiggies] call for pre-pycon speakers In-Reply-To: <1230071267.6562.153.camel@jim-laptop> References: <1230071267.6562.153.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, jim wrote: > this is a call for speakers, especially those who'd like to present a > pre-pycon rendition of talks you'll be presenting at pycon. please reply > if you're interested in presenting on january 8 or february 12. I'm giving a Tutorial at Pycon entitled: "Scrape the Web: Strategies for programming websites that don't expect it" It goes beyond mechanize+BeautifulSoup to include a discussion of Selenium Remote Control, which is the one fairly neat trick up my sleeve. I haven't actually written the whole tutorial yet, but I should do that! I can give a modified version of it to BayPiggies in February so that I can get feedback to put into the version I'll give in March at PyCon. I've given similar talks at other venues in the past. The tutorial is supposed to be three hours long; no need for my Baypiggies version to be that long. http://svn.asheesh.org/svn/public/20082009/pycon-proposal.rst is the proposal I sent to them, which y'all are welcome to peruse to find things I should focus on in a way-shorter Baypiggies version. -- Asheesh. -- You'll feel much better once you've given up hope. From daryl.spitzer at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 01:32:14 2008 From: daryl.spitzer at gmail.com (Daryl Spitzer) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:32:14 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] call for pre-pycon speakers In-Reply-To: References: <1230071267.6562.153.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > I can give a modified version of it to BayPiggies in February so that > I can get feedback to put into the version I'll give in March at PyCon. +1 On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, jim wrote: > >> this is a call for speakers, especially those who'd like to present a >> pre-pycon rendition of talks you'll be presenting at pycon. please reply if >> you're interested in presenting on january 8 or february 12. > > I'm giving a Tutorial at Pycon entitled: > > "Scrape the Web: Strategies for programming websites that don't expect it" > > It goes beyond mechanize+BeautifulSoup to include a discussion of Selenium > Remote Control, which is the one fairly neat trick up my sleeve. > > I haven't actually written the whole tutorial yet, but I should do that! I > can give a modified version of it to BayPiggies in February so that I can > get feedback to put into the version I'll give in March at PyCon. I've given > similar talks at other venues in the past. > > The tutorial is supposed to be three hours long; no need for my Baypiggies > version to be that long. > http://svn.asheesh.org/svn/public/20082009/pycon-proposal.rst is the > proposal I sent to them, which y'all are welcome to peruse to find things I > should focus on in a way-shorter Baypiggies version. > > -- Asheesh. > > -- > You'll feel much better once you've given up hope. > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From bsergean at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 02:37:07 2008 From: bsergean at gmail.com (Benjamin Sergeant) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:37:07 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] call for pre-pycon speakers In-Reply-To: References: <1230071267.6562.153.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1621f9fa0812231737o1d1b7783i4f71966ce1f7cd99@mail.gmail.com> +1 On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, jim wrote: > > this is a call for speakers, especially those who'd like to present a >> pre-pycon rendition of talks you'll be presenting at pycon. please reply if >> you're interested in presenting on january 8 or february 12. >> > > I'm giving a Tutorial at Pycon entitled: > > "Scrape the Web: Strategies for programming websites that don't expect it" > > It goes beyond mechanize+BeautifulSoup to include a discussion of Selenium > Remote Control, which is the one fairly neat trick up my sleeve. > > I haven't actually written the whole tutorial yet, but I should do that! I > can give a modified version of it to BayPiggies in February so that I can > get feedback to put into the version I'll give in March at PyCon. I've given > similar talks at other venues in the past. > > The tutorial is supposed to be three hours long; no need for my Baypiggies > version to be that long. > http://svn.asheesh.org/svn/public/20082009/pycon-proposal.rst is the > proposal I sent to them, which y'all are welcome to peruse to find things I > should focus on in a way-shorter Baypiggies version. > > -- Asheesh. > > -- > You'll feel much better once you've given up hope. > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sfseth at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 02:37:54 2008 From: sfseth at gmail.com (Seth Friedman) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:37:54 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] call for pre-pycon speakers In-Reply-To: <1621f9fa0812231737o1d1b7783i4f71966ce1f7cd99@mail.gmail.com> References: <1230071267.6562.153.camel@jim-laptop> <1621f9fa0812231737o1d1b7783i4f71966ce1f7cd99@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64e45fca0812231737h7beef46q7d49a1e1a8047ce6@mail.gmail.com> +1 On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Benjamin Sergeant wrote: > +1 > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, jim wrote: >> >> this is a call for speakers, especially those who'd like to present a >>> pre-pycon rendition of talks you'll be presenting at pycon. please reply if >>> you're interested in presenting on january 8 or february 12. >>> >> >> I'm giving a Tutorial at Pycon entitled: >> >> "Scrape the Web: Strategies for programming websites that don't expect it" >> >> It goes beyond mechanize+BeautifulSoup to include a discussion of Selenium >> Remote Control, which is the one fairly neat trick up my sleeve. >> >> I haven't actually written the whole tutorial yet, but I should do that! I >> can give a modified version of it to BayPiggies in February so that I can >> get feedback to put into the version I'll give in March at PyCon. 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URL: From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 03:31:43 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:31:43 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] call for pre-pycon speakers In-Reply-To: References: <1230071267.6562.153.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, jim wrote: > >> this is a call for speakers, especially those who'd like to present a >> pre-pycon rendition of talks you'll be presenting at pycon. please reply if >> you're interested in presenting on january 8 or february 12. > > I'm giving a Tutorial at Pycon entitled: > > "Scrape the Web: Strategies for programming websites that don't expect it" > > It goes beyond mechanize+BeautifulSoup to include a discussion of Selenium > Remote Control, which is the one fairly neat trick up my sleeve. > > I haven't actually written the whole tutorial yet, but I should do that! I > can give a modified version of it to BayPiggies in February so that I can > get feedback to put into the version I'll give in March at PyCon. I've given > similar talks at other venues in the past. > > The tutorial is supposed to be three hours long; no need for my Baypiggies > version to be that long. > http://svn.asheesh.org/svn/public/20082009/pycon-proposal.rst is the > proposal I sent to them, which y'all are welcome to peruse to find things I > should focus on in a way-shorter Baypiggies version. +1 By the way, I use the BeautifulSoup parser in conjunction with lxml. That and Selenium RC are all good stuff :) -jj -- In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From bsergean at gmail.com Wed Dec 24 04:48:39 2008 From: bsergean at gmail.com (Benjamin Sergeant) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:48:39 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] call for pre-pycon speakers In-Reply-To: References: <1230071267.6562.153.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1621f9fa0812231948r57afa884na2009ca9fea1e5d6@mail.gmail.com> There is also wwwclient that looks good. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Asheesh Laroia > wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, jim wrote: > > > >> this is a call for speakers, especially those who'd like to present a > >> pre-pycon rendition of talks you'll be presenting at pycon. please reply > if > >> you're interested in presenting on january 8 or february 12. > > > > I'm giving a Tutorial at Pycon entitled: > > > > "Scrape the Web: Strategies for programming websites that don't expect > it" > > > > It goes beyond mechanize+BeautifulSoup to include a discussion of > Selenium > > Remote Control, which is the one fairly neat trick up my sleeve. > > > > I haven't actually written the whole tutorial yet, but I should do that! > I > > can give a modified version of it to BayPiggies in February so that I can > > get feedback to put into the version I'll give in March at PyCon. I've > given > > similar talks at other venues in the past. > > > > The tutorial is supposed to be three hours long; no need for my > Baypiggies > > version to be that long. > > http://svn.asheesh.org/svn/public/20082009/pycon-proposal.rst is the > > proposal I sent to them, which y'all are welcome to peruse to find things > I > > should focus on in a way-shorter Baypiggies version. > > +1 > > By the way, I use the BeautifulSoup parser in conjunction with lxml. > That and Selenium RC are all good stuff :) > > -jj > > -- > In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things > with great love. -- Mother Teresa > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They have lots of space and, obviously, some other features of interest. I have contacts on the staff and would be willing to call and ask. -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600 (cell) http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses. -- Henry Ford via BBC From aahz at pythoncraft.com Wed Dec 24 06:55:42 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:55:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Finding a location In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081224055542.GA13145@panix.com> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008, Alison Chaiken wrote: > > Has the Computer History Museum in Mountain View be considered as a > meeting venue? It's close the previous Google location. They have > lots of space and, obviously, some other features of interest. I > have contacts on the staff and would be willing to call and ask. Please do! -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "roses are reddish, violets are bluish, Chanukah is 8 days, don't you wish you were Jewish?" From lavendula6654 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 00:16:44 2008 From: lavendula6654 at yahoo.com (Elaine) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:16:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] Ajax course at Foothill College In-Reply-To: <309480.45238.qm@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <996534.85726.qm@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you would like to learn AJAX, Foothill College is offering a course starting Thursday evening, 8 Jan 2009. It will be at the Middlefield campus Thursday evenings until March 26. The course is designed for students who are already familiar with some type of programming. Here is the course description: ---------------- COIN 71 ? 5 units APPLICATION SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT WITH AJAX JavaScript is used to create highly interactive websites that function like desktop applications. You will learn to write advanced JavaScript programs that request data from the server "on the fly", and you will learn to use an existing framework to implement a complex design. Software engineering principles will be stressed, including separating the content from the presentation, programming style and documentation. Prerequisites: HTML and introductory JavaScript. ----------------- If you would like to sign up for the class, please register beforehand by going to: http://www.foothill.fhda.edu/reg/index.php If you do not register ahead of time, the class may be cancelled! If you have questions, you can contact the instructor at: haightElaine at foothill.edu From charles.merriam at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 18:54:35 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:54:35 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Worst case: Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara. It's on Steven's Creek near Saratoga. Has Wifi and reservable meeting rooms good for about 30. Free if someone orders pizza. Charles On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > Hey guys, > > Now is the time to buck up and be true BayPiggies heroes ;) > > We need a location for the next meeting. Currently, we have one offer > from a company, but they can only fit 35. Now's the time to buy your > boss a bottle of Bailey's and ask him nicely if we can crash ;) > > -jj > > -- > In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things > with great love. -- Mother Teresa > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From billkatz at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 19:29:08 2008 From: billkatz at gmail.com (Bill Katz) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:29:08 -0500 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> I've booked our next App Engine meetup at Mountain View Community Center. It's free for local community groups and has larger areas that can accommodate up to 100+ people. No projector. http://www.ci.mtnview.ca.us/city_hall/comm_services/recreation_programs_and_services/facilities_and_reservations/reservations.asp -Bill On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Charles Merriam wrote: > Worst case: Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara. It's on Steven's Creek > near Saratoga. Has Wifi and reservable meeting rooms good for about > 30. Free if someone orders pizza. > > Charles > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens > wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > Now is the time to buck up and be true BayPiggies heroes ;) > > > > We need a location for the next meeting. Currently, we have one offer > > from a company, but they can only fit 35. Now's the time to buy your > > boss a bottle of Bailey's and ask him nicely if we can crash ;) > > > > -jj > > > > -- > > In this life we cannot do great things. 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URL: From donnamsnow at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 19:42:13 2008 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:42:13 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Someone asked me about using the Plug and Play facilities (where we held World Plone Day) but it is not free unfortunately. I'll be holding training sessions there over the next year. Planned sessions: Agile Programming and Plone Theming, but with projector, etc it runs about $800 a day and that is for about 20 people. It's an excellent facility I was extremely pleased with the helpfulness of the staff. The Mountain View community center sounds good! I'll do a bit of digging myself. Have you considered community colleges like West Valley College or Foothill? Donna M Snow On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Bill Katz wrote: > I've booked our next App Engine meetup at Mountain View Community Center. > It's free for local community groups and has larger areas that > can accommodate up to 100+ people. No projector. > http://www.ci.mtnview.ca.us/city_hall/comm_services/recreation_programs_and_services/facilities_and_reservations/reservations.asp > > -Bill > > On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Charles Merriam < > charles.merriam at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Worst case: Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara. It's on Steven's Creek >> near Saratoga. Has Wifi and reservable meeting rooms good for about >> 30. Free if someone orders pizza. >> >> Charles >> >> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens >> wrote: >> > Hey guys, >> > >> > Now is the time to buck up and be true BayPiggies heroes ;) >> > >> > We need a location for the next meeting. Currently, we have one offer >> > from a company, but they can only fit 35. Now's the time to buy your >> > boss a bottle of Bailey's and ask him nicely if we can crash ;) >> > >> > -jj >> > >> > -- >> > In this life we cannot do great things. 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URL: From jim at well.com Sat Dec 27 20:03:06 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:03:06 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> this link has the billing terms: http://www.ci.mtnview.ca.us/city_hall/comm_services/recreation_programs_and_services/facilities_and_reservations/reservations.asp * are we a bona fide community group in their eyes? * can we get a claim on second thursdays of each month? seems to me one of us who's a resident of mountain view would be a good candidate to find out. i'm willing to contact them, tho' i live in S. F. seems only one person should do pursue this. On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 13:29 -0500, Bill Katz wrote: > I've booked our next App Engine meetup at Mountain View Community > Center. It's free for local community groups and has larger areas > that can accommodate up to 100+ people. No projector. > http://www.ci.mtnview.ca.us/city_hall/comm_services/recreation_programs_and_services/facilities_and_reservations/reservations.asp > > > -Bill > > On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Charles Merriam > wrote: > Worst case: Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara. It's on > Steven's Creek > near Saratoga. Has Wifi and reservable meeting rooms good for > about > 30. Free if someone orders pizza. > > Charles > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens > wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > Now is the time to buck up and be true BayPiggies heroes ;) > > > > We need a location for the next meeting. Currently, we have > one offer > > from a company, but they can only fit 35. Now's the time to > buy your > > boss a bottle of Bailey's and ask him nicely if we can > crash ;) > > > > -jj > > > > -- > > In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small > things > > with great love. -- Mother Teresa > > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From bdbaddog at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 20:37:28 2008 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:37:28 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> All, I'm a Mountain View Resident. I'll can give them a call next week. -Bill On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:03 AM, jim wrote: > > > this link has the billing terms: > > http://www.ci.mtnview.ca.us/city_hall/comm_services/recreation_programs_and_services/facilities_and_reservations/reservations.asp > > > * are we a bona fide community group in their eyes? > * can we get a claim on second thursdays of each month? > > seems to me one of us who's a resident of mountain > view would be a good candidate to find out. i'm > willing to contact them, tho' i live in S. F. > seems only one person should do pursue this. > > > > On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 13:29 -0500, Bill Katz wrote: > > I've booked our next App Engine meetup at Mountain View Community > > Center. It's free for local community groups and has larger areas > > that can accommodate up to 100+ people. No projector. > > > http://www.ci.mtnview.ca.us/city_hall/comm_services/recreation_programs_and_services/facilities_and_reservations/reservations.asp > > > > > > -Bill > > > > On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Charles Merriam > > wrote: > > Worst case: Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara. It's on > > Steven's Creek > > near Saratoga. Has Wifi and reservable meeting rooms good for > > about > > 30. Free if someone orders pizza. > > > > Charles > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens > > wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > > > Now is the time to buck up and be true BayPiggies heroes ;) > > > > > > We need a location for the next meeting. Currently, we have > > one offer > > > from a company, but they can only fit 35. Now's the time to > > buy your > > > boss a bottle of Bailey's and ask him nicely if we can > > crash ;) > > > > > > -jj > > > > > > -- > > > In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small > > things > > > with great love. -- Mother Teresa > > > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > > Baypiggies at python.org > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From jjinux at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 02:39:52 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:39:52 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] newbie nugget Message-ID: I don't know if we have anyone scheduled to do a newbie nugget. I personally would love it if someone showed us (i.e. me) how to setup TAGS for a Python project in either Emacs or Vim. ;) -jj From bsergean at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 03:26:13 2008 From: bsergean at gmail.com (Benjamin Sergeant) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:26:13 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] newbie nugget In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1621f9fa0812271826i6f008dfya9458e2e60fdf69d@mail.gmail.com> Maybe there's a fancier way to do that, but that works for me (tested with a jump to a function). With vim: :cd your_project_root :!ctags -R . :set tags=tags Ctrl ] will jump to the "word under the cursor" definition. I think it's alt-d in emacs. The problem is updating the tags file. I sometimes add a Makefile rule to a Makefile that sits in my project root folder. You can probably do something fancy with an event system (inotify or kqueue ?) to monitor files save and do the updating automatically. - Benjamin. On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > I don't know if we have anyone scheduled to do a newbie nugget. I > personally would love it if someone showed us (i.e. me) how to setup > TAGS for a Python project in either Emacs or Vim. > > ;) > -jj > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjinux at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 03:45:08 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:45:08 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] newbie nugget In-Reply-To: <1621f9fa0812271826i6f008dfya9458e2e60fdf69d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1621f9fa0812271826i6f008dfya9458e2e60fdf69d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Benjamin Sergeant wrote: > Maybe there's a fancier way to do that, but that works for me (tested with a > jump to a function). > With vim: > :cd your_project_root > :!ctags -R . > :set tags=tags > Ctrl ] will jump to the "word under the cursor" definition. > I think it's alt-d in emacs. > The problem is updating the tags file. I sometimes add a Makefile rule to a > Makefile that sits in my project root folder. You can probably do something > fancy with an event system (inotify or kqueue ?) to monitor files save and > do the updating automatically. Perfect. Thanks! By the way, I've been having a field day writing about which editors and IDEs are best for which tasks. Check out: http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2008/12/software-engineering-right-editor-for.html http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2008/12/editors-i-dig-komodo-edit.html http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2008/12/emacs-nxhtml.html I'm not trying to start an editor war. Rather the opposite. I'm trying to figure out which editors are better for which tasks because of certain features and design choices. -jj -- In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From glen at glenjarvis.com Mon Dec 29 18:23:41 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:23:41 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If it helps, I gave the Old College Try... I called Sandbox Suites in San Francisco.. We met there for SHDH several times... I tried asking them for a meeting.. they said they could do a free one.. But, not at night (they would have to pay the staff to stay late). To pay for a meeting space for up to about 40 people would be about $200. It's cheaper than PlugNPlay, but not free =( Also, the location is San Francisco and this is inconvenient for some in the South Bay. I I understand this correctly, we still have the following leads that are being followed-up on: * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) Before I start spending too much energye (almost all in San Francisco), would you be interested in places like San Francisco Public Library and other SF public spaces (sorry, I live in SF, so that's what I'd look for)? Also, please don't forget there IS another Python Meetup in San Francisco (although I personally would love seeing BayPIGgies in San Francisco). Here are the details for the next meeting: What: January Hack Session - Theme: App Engine When: January 7, 2009 7:00 PM Where: Slide Meetup Description: This month we'll be doing a hack session, so bring a pet project of your choosing and come code with us. You can stick to the theme, or stray from it, but we'll have a couple folks from the App Engine platform development team around to give folks a head start. If you're interested in getting started with it, or if you're stuck on something, this is a great opportunity to get the skinny. Learn more here: http://www.meetup.com/sfpython/calendar/9326004/ From jim at well.com Mon Dec 29 18:47:19 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:47:19 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230572839.6562.277.camel@jim-laptop> On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 09:23 -0800, Glen Jarvis wrote: > If I understand this correctly, we still have the following leads that > are being followed-up on: > > * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) > * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) * ALSO Nokia From glen at glenjarvis.com Mon Dec 29 19:25:41 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:25:41 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> Correction. I missed one of the options from previous emails. Alison was going to ask one of her contacts about the Computer History Museum (a strong vote for me! =) As I *now* understand it, the following leads are being followed-up on.. * Computer History Museum in Mountain View * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi From bdbaddog at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 19:28:33 2008 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:28:33 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: <8540148a0812291028l789e0950w24579cd1c1022371@mail.gmail.com> All, Called MV to check on the community center, left a message. I'll give a play by play as info comes in. :) -Bill On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > Correction. I missed one of the options from previous emails. Alison was > going to ask one of her contacts about the Computer History Museum (a strong > vote for me! =) > > As I *now* understand it, the following leads are being followed-up on.. > > > * Computer History Museum in Mountain View > * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) > * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) > > -- > 415-680-3964 > glen at glenjarvis.com > http://www.glenjarvis.com > > "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbaddog at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 19:30:04 2008 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:30:04 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <8540148a0812291028l789e0950w24579cd1c1022371@mail.gmail.com> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <8540148a0812291028l789e0950w24579cd1c1022371@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8540148a0812291030g6cbe5418g63665d327e3b8ea7@mail.gmail.com> All, Another thought might be to get baypiggies a 503c (non-profit) status, that might make it easier to get space as the companies could (maybe?) write off the expense as tax deductible? -Bill On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:28 AM, William Deegan wrote: > All, > > Called MV to check on the community center, left a message. I'll give a > play by play as info comes in. :) > > -Bill > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > >> Correction. I missed one of the options from previous emails. Alison was >> going to ask one of her contacts about the Computer History Museum (a strong >> vote for me! =) >> >> As I *now* understand it, the following leads are being followed-up on.. >> >> >> * Computer History Museum in Mountain View >> * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) >> * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) >> >> -- >> 415-680-3964 >> glen at glenjarvis.com >> http://www.glenjarvis.com >> >> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Mon Dec 29 19:34:05 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:34:05 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: Doh! Just when I thought I understood all the options, I missed another. I'm sorry! Here's a summary of all of the leads we were following-up on.. Did I forget any more? * Nokia * Computer History Museum in Mountain View * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) Also, please let me know if you wouldn't mind a search in San Francisco.. I am fairly certain I could find us some space in the city (like SF Public Library Meeting rooms). But, I don't want to go through the energy if it's already a "no thanks".... Or, if there is a chance we can get one of the leads above. Cheers, Glen -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi From wescpy at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 19:47:45 2008 From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:47:45 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SF Python Meetup, Our Location, Django SF Meetup, Intermediate Python@Foothill In-Reply-To: References: <78b3a9580812112313o3fe41a99o3bc70413fcbf0255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78b3a9580812291047s6baffd93neecd0288f131d70c@mail.gmail.com> glen, posting your question and reply to the group at large as you may not be the only one with this problem. basically, their website is not done optimally. try going to http://foothill.edu/schedule/catalog.php then search "python". it should show up as CIS 68L. elaine haight teaches the intro CIS 68K course... she usually gives this once or twice a year while i do the intermediate course once every other year. good luck! -wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 "Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > Wesley, > I searched for "Python" in the http://foothill.edu page and couldn't find > your course =( > > > On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:13 PM, wesley chun wrote: >> FYI for those interested in intermediate Python, go to >> http://foothill.edu and search for Python. >> class runs on monday evenings 6-9:40p from 1/5-3/23. i enjoy giving >> back to the community, and since i don't make enough commits to open >> source projects, teaching is how i do it (naturally). the course is >> essentially a combination of my comprehensive intro plus advanced >> courses. you are expected to have completed an intro course (or >> equivalent experience) in Python already. mail me privately for more >> course info than what's on Foothill's website. From glen at glenjarvis.com Mon Dec 29 19:58:50 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:58:50 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SF Python Meetup, Our Location, Django SF Meetup, Intermediate Python@Foothill In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580812291047s6baffd93neecd0288f131d70c@mail.gmail.com> References: <78b3a9580812112313o3fe41a99o3bc70413fcbf0255@mail.gmail.com> <78b3a9580812291047s6baffd93neecd0288f131d70c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Wesley, That worked! Thanks for the help. > basically, their website is not done optimally. try going to > http://foothill.edu/schedule/catalog.php then search "python". it > should show up as CIS 68L. elaine haight teaches the intro CIS 68K > course... she usually gives this once or twice a year while i do the > intermediate course once every other year. Cheers, Glen -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi From wescpy at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 20:27:38 2008 From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:27:38 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: <78b3a9580812291127g1dae5811pc242aabbc0f00d9@mail.gmail.com> > Also, please let me know if you wouldn't mind a search in San Francisco.. I > am fairly certain I could find us some space in the city (like SF Public > Library Meeting rooms). But, I don't want to go through the energy if it's > already a "no thanks".... Or, if there is a chance we can get one of the > leads above. i think because of the (re)start of the SF group, that BayPIGgies will prefer to remain in the south bay, but i'll let the membership chime in if there are any biases. fortunately (or unfortunately [commute]), i can attend both because i work in the city but live in the south bay. -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Python Web Development with Django", Addison Wesley, (c) 2009 http://withdjango.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com From jjinux at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 20:49:51 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:49:51 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580812291127g1dae5811pc242aabbc0f00d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <78b3a9580812291127g1dae5811pc242aabbc0f00d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > i think because of the (re)start of the SF group, that BayPIGgies will > prefer to remain in the south bay, but i'll let the membership chime > in if there are any biases. I think Wesley's right. Besides, my experience is that a bunch of people get really grumpy whenever we start talking about holding meetings further north. > Another thought might be to get baypiggies a 503c (non-profit) status, that might make it > easier to get space as the companies could (maybe?) write off the expense as tax > deductible? Interesting idea. -jj -- In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From nar at hush.com Mon Dec 29 21:23:43 2008 From: nar at hush.com (nar) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:23:43 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Opinions on Pyrex vs. ctypes vs. SWIG and whatever else binds to dynamic/shared libs Message-ID: Hi guys, Long time lurker, first time poster -- I've got a question that has been bugging me for a while and I figured I'd roll it out here to see what opinions people may have. I've done a bit of work with Python binding to DLLs on Windows and shared libraries on Linux/OSX, but I've mostly taken the ctypes route using GCC-XML to generate wrapper code for me. It would seem that most cheese shop modules use Pyrex with hand coded wrappers or SWIG to half auto-gen the wrappers and finish off with hand fix-ups. Since ctypes ships with Python I kind of assumed it would be the 'default' way of performing this task, but most people seem to like Pyrex and a minority of people seem to use SWIG but hate it. I suspect the question is similar to asking 'Which is better, vi or emacs?', but I'd like to hear what other people are doing / have done and why they prefer it? For those unfamiliar with ctypes / ctypeslib here's the process: 0) Install gccxml 1) Install ctypeslib module if it's not on your system, this will put h2xml.py and xml2py.py on your system 2) h2xml.py -I/path/to/includes SomeIncludeFile.h -o SomeIncludeFile.xml 3) xml2py.py SomeIncludeFile.xml -o NewPythonModule.py There's a bit of fiddling you can do with the h2xml stuff as far as preprocessing, but that's roughly what it takes. You still need to hand-fix the generated wrapper code to make it 'pythonic' if thats your flavor, since it passes C-type variables in and out, but it still seems like a better development flow than using Pyrex/SWIG, but there may be factors I'm unaware of. (Which is why I'm asking here!) Hopefully this isn't too off topic for the list, I look forward to the responses, Thanks! Nathan Ramella nar <> @ <> hush.com From charles.merriam at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 22:59:47 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:59:47 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Opinions on Pyrex vs. ctypes vs. SWIG and whatever else binds to dynamic/shared libs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd love some better information as well. My small experience appears: - Swig tends to be used for the fully automated conversions. Swig can keep the APIs up to date when Python is provided as yet another API in a dynamic, large project. - Almost all of the systems tend to create a distinctly verbose interface. For example, there's usally a "Menu.create(), Menu.addItem(), Menu.removeItem()" gui interface instead of just making a Menu an array of MenuItems and intercepting the updates. Have a great day! Charles Merriam On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:23 PM, nar wrote: > Hi guys, > > Long time lurker, first time poster -- I've got a question that has been > bugging me for a while and I figured I'd roll it out here to see what > opinions people may have. > > I've done a bit of work with Python binding to DLLs on Windows and shared > libraries on Linux/OSX, but I've mostly taken the ctypes route using GCC-XML > to generate wrapper code for me. It would seem that most cheese shop modules > use Pyrex with hand coded wrappers or SWIG to half auto-gen the wrappers and > finish off with hand fix-ups. > > Since ctypes ships with Python I kind of assumed it would be the 'default' > way of performing this task, but most people seem to like Pyrex and a > minority of people seem to use SWIG but hate it. > > I suspect the question is similar to asking 'Which is better, vi or emacs?', > but I'd like to hear what other people are doing / have done and why they > prefer it? > > For those unfamiliar with ctypes / ctypeslib here's the process: > > 0) Install gccxml > 1) Install ctypeslib module if it's not on your system, this will put > h2xml.py and xml2py.py on your system > 2) h2xml.py -I/path/to/includes SomeIncludeFile.h -o SomeIncludeFile.xml > 3) xml2py.py SomeIncludeFile.xml -o NewPythonModule.py > > There's a bit of fiddling you can do with the h2xml stuff as far as > preprocessing, but that's roughly what it takes. You still need to hand-fix > the generated wrapper code to make it 'pythonic' if thats your flavor, since > it passes C-type variables in and out, but it still seems like a better > development flow than using Pyrex/SWIG, but there may be factors I'm unaware > of. (Which is why I'm asking here!) > > Hopefully this isn't too off topic for the list, I look forward to the > responses, > > Thanks! > > Nathan Ramella > nar <> @ <> hush.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From bdbaddog at gmail.com Mon Dec 29 23:36:03 2008 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:36:03 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <78b3a9580812291127g1dae5811pc242aabbc0f00d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8540148a0812291436odee0098yf66804ad1ca9337e@mail.gmail.com> All, Just got off the phone with Mtn. View. There is a discounted rate if you are a community group (which means we'd need 503c status) For the next three months this is the availability of spaces (for the 2nd thursday's of the month): Jan - Room 2 (up to 40 people) Feb - Room 2 ( up to 40 people) March - Room 2 ( up to 40 people) or Lower Social Hall ( up to 100 people) The fee schedule is here: http://www.ci.mtnview.ca.us/city_hall/comm_services/recreation_programs_and_services/facilities_and_reservations/reservations.asp Note that we'd have to place a deposit, and get special event liability insurance (which we can get through the town), ranged $116->$180 (and would cover all meetings we booked at the same time, up to three months worth) The ballpark fee is ~$1/person/meeting + insurance, and we'd need a $535 deposit. We might be able to get larger room availability if we moved the date around (either different day or different week of the month). Also you can only book rooms for up to 3 months from the current date (more or less, there seemed to be some cutoff dates). -Bill On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > i think because of the (re)start of the SF group, that BayPIGgies will > > prefer to remain in the south bay, but i'll let the membership chime > > in if there are any biases. > > I think Wesley's right. Besides, my experience is that a bunch of > people get really grumpy whenever we start talking about holding > meetings further north. > > > Another thought might be to get baypiggies a 503c (non-profit) status, > that might make it > > easier to get space as the companies could (maybe?) write off the expense > as tax > > deductible? > > Interesting idea. > > -jj > > -- > In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things > with great love. -- Mother Teresa > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rstephe at sun.science.wayne.edu Mon Dec 29 22:56:05 2008 From: rstephe at sun.science.wayne.edu (Robert Stephenson) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:56:05 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <78b3a9580812291127g1dae5811pc242aabbc0f00d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <918C19FE-9C6B-43D6-A3D8-BC0976A16165@sun.science.wayne.edu> The Tech Museum in San Jose would be available for the Jan. 8 meeting. Unfortunately future meetings won't work b/c the museum will revert to its normal 5 PM closing time once the Leonardo exhibit ends on Jan. 23, but we would be honored to host BayPIGgies next month. - Rob On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: >> i think because of the (re)start of the SF group, that BayPIGgies >> will >> prefer to remain in the south bay, but i'll let the membership chime >> in if there are any biases. > > I think Wesley's right. Besides, my experience is that a bunch of > people get really grumpy whenever we start talking about holding > meetings further north. > >> Another thought might be to get baypiggies a 503c (non-profit) >> status, that might make it >> easier to get space as the companies could (maybe?) write off the >> expense as tax >> deductible? > > Interesting idea. > > -jj > > -- > In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things > with great love. -- Mother Teresa > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From jim at well.com Tue Dec 30 01:05:48 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:05:48 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: <1230595548.6562.293.camel@jim-laptop> as to me, i live in sf and like less driving. does anyone know what happened to grace law's sf-based python meeting initiative? On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 10:34 -0800, Glen Jarvis wrote: > Doh! > > Just when I thought I understood all the options, I missed another. > I'm sorry! > > Here's a summary of all of the leads we were following-up on.. Did I > forget any more? > > * Nokia > * Computer History Museum in Mountain View > * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) > * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) > > Also, please let me know if you wouldn't mind a search in San > Francisco.. I am fairly certain I could find us some space in the city > (like SF Public Library Meeting rooms). But, I don't want to go > through the energy if it's already a "no thanks".... Or, if there is > a chance we can get one of the leads above. > > Cheers, > > > Glen > -- > 415-680-3964 > glen at glenjarvis.com > http://www.glenjarvis.com > > "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From rstephe at sun.science.wayne.edu Tue Dec 30 01:15:56 2008 From: rstephe at sun.science.wayne.edu (Robert Stephenson) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:15:56 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: <49179BD7-76DF-43ED-A5EA-8CAC1B511CA5@sun.science.wayne.edu> On Dec 29, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > Here's a summary of all of the leads we were following-up on.. Did I > forget any more? > > * Nokia > * Computer History Museum in Mountain View > * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) * The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose (for Jan 8 ONLY, free, 80 ppl, projector, NO SIGN IN) > * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) so there's the score as of now. Personally I vote for convenient access to Caltrain or other public transport. - Rob From bdbaddog at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 01:18:17 2008 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:18:17 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <49179BD7-76DF-43ED-A5EA-8CAC1B511CA5@sun.science.wayne.edu> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <49179BD7-76DF-43ED-A5EA-8CAC1B511CA5@sun.science.wayne.edu> Message-ID: <8540148a0812291618v53569d1chb12acae869cb46a9@mail.gmail.com> Gents, I'd suggest we take the Computer History Museum up on their offer for Jan. At the meeting someone can float the idea of people chipping in to cover venue cost? (and/or) what do people on the list think about it? -Bill On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Robert Stephenson < rstephe at sun.science.wayne.edu> wrote: > On Dec 29, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > > Here's a summary of all of the leads we were following-up on.. Did I >> forget any more? >> >> * Nokia >> * Computer History Museum in Mountain View >> * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) >> > * The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose (for Jan 8 ONLY, free, 80 > ppl, projector, NO SIGN IN) > >> * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) >> > so there's the score as of now. > > Personally I vote for convenient access to Caltrain or other public > transport. > - Rob > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at marcusphillips.com Tue Dec 30 01:23:39 2008 From: lists at marcusphillips.com (Marcus Phillips) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:23:39 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <1230595548.6562.293.camel@jim-laptop> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <1230595548.6562.293.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: We're still going strong up here in sf - check out meetup.com/sfpython. Coming up on January 7 we'll be doing a bring-your-own-project hackathon, with some facilitation for app engine if you're interested in doing something related to that. Marcus On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:05 PM, jim wrote: > > as to me, i live in sf and like less > driving. does anyone know what happened > to grace law's sf-based python meeting > initiative? > > > On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 10:34 -0800, Glen Jarvis wrote: > > Doh! > > > > Just when I thought I understood all the options, I missed another. > > I'm sorry! > > > > Here's a summary of all of the leads we were following-up on.. Did I > > forget any more? > > > > * Nokia > > * Computer History Museum in Mountain View > > * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) > > * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) > > > > Also, please let me know if you wouldn't mind a search in San > > Francisco.. I am fairly certain I could find us some space in the city > > (like SF Public Library Meeting rooms). But, I don't want to go > > through the energy if it's already a "no thanks".... Or, if there is > > a chance we can get one of the leads above. > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Glen > > -- > > 415-680-3964 > > glen at glenjarvis.com > > http://www.glenjarvis.com > > > > "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- "If you want the truth to stand clear before you, never be for or against. The struggle between for and against is the mind's worst disease." -Seng Ts'an, 700 C.E. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Tue Dec 30 01:23:41 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:23:41 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <1230595548.6562.293.camel@jim-laptop> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <1230595548.6562.293.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <5FAC9D40-4365-4A2E-ADDA-597B5D46BAE7@glenjarvis.com> > > as to me, i live in sf and like less > driving. does anyone know what happened > to grace law's sf-based python meeting > initiative? Jim, Follow this link to Grace's (Slide's) Python Meetup. Topic is App Engine Glen -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi From jim at well.com Tue Dec 30 01:25:50 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:25:50 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <8540148a0812291030g6cbe5418g63665d327e3b8ea7@mail.gmail.com> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <8540148a0812291028l789e0950w24579cd1c1022371@mail.gmail.com> <8540148a0812291030g6cbe5418g63665d327e3b8ea7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230596750.6562.302.camel@jim-laptop> -1 ebig went this route and, according to the honcho at the time, regrets the move as too much work for too little benefit. i've looked into it a bit and concur. an alternative is to get under the wing of an existing 501(c)3 corp. i think that we're doing things right as is. occasionally we'll miss out on some benefit, but not often enough, nor with benefits big enough, to justify the hassle of incorporating, let alone getting 501(c)3 status. On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 10:30 -0800, William Deegan wrote: > All, > > Another thought might be to get baypiggies a 503c (non-profit) status, > that might make it easier to get space as the companies could (maybe?) > write off the expense as tax deductible? > > -Bill > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:28 AM, William Deegan > wrote: > All, > > Called MV to check on the community center, left a message. > I'll give a play by play as info comes in. :) > > -Bill > > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Glen Jarvis > wrote: > Correction. I missed one of the options from previous > emails. Alison was going to ask one of her contacts > about the Computer History Museum (a strong vote for > me! =) > > As I *now* understand it, the following leads are > being followed-up on.. > > > * Computer History Museum in Mountain View > > * Mountain View City Hall (100+/no projector) > * Round Table Pizza in Santa Clara (backup plan) > > > -- > 415-680-3964 > glen at glenjarvis.com > http://www.glenjarvis.com > > "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." > -M. Gandhi > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From jim at well.com Tue Dec 30 01:27:46 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:27:46 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <918C19FE-9C6B-43D6-A3D8-BC0976A16165@sun.science.wayne.edu> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <78b3a9580812291127g1dae5811pc242aabbc0f00d9@mail.gmail.com> <918C19FE-9C6B-43D6-A3D8-BC0976A16165@sun.science.wayne.edu> Message-ID: <1230596866.6562.305.camel@jim-laptop> seems to me we should schedule our january 8 meeting at the tech museum, despite the downside of increased confusion with greater numbers of scheduled locations. On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 13:56 -0800, Robert Stephenson wrote: > The Tech Museum in San Jose would be available for the Jan. 8 > meeting. Unfortunately future meetings won't work b/c the museum will > revert to its normal 5 PM closing time once the Leonardo exhibit ends > on Jan. 23, but we would be honored to host BayPIGgies next month. > - Rob > > On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > >> i think because of the (re)start of the SF group, that BayPIGgies > >> will > >> prefer to remain in the south bay, but i'll let the membership chime > >> in if there are any biases. > > > > I think Wesley's right. Besides, my experience is that a bunch of > > people get really grumpy whenever we start talking about holding > > meetings further north. > > > >> Another thought might be to get baypiggies a 503c (non-profit) > >> status, that might make it > >> easier to get space as the companies could (maybe?) write off the > >> expense as tax > >> deductible? > > > > Interesting idea. > > > > -jj > > > > -- > > In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things > > with great love. -- Mother Teresa > > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From bdbaddog at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 01:40:59 2008 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:40:59 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <1230596866.6562.305.camel@jim-laptop> References: <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <78b3a9580812291127g1dae5811pc242aabbc0f00d9@mail.gmail.com> <918C19FE-9C6B-43D6-A3D8-BC0976A16165@sun.science.wayne.edu> <1230596866.6562.305.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <8540148a0812291640w14ffcf3dida159ecb5f3aead2@mail.gmail.com> All, Anyone opposed to going with Jan 8th at Computer History Museum? (as time is short,etc?) If not let's commit to that location and then I can put info up on the website. -Bill On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM, jim wrote: > > seems to me we should schedule our january > 8 meeting at the tech museum, despite the > downside of increased confusion with greater > numbers of scheduled locations. > > > On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 13:56 -0800, Robert Stephenson wrote: > > The Tech Museum in San Jose would be available for the Jan. 8 > > meeting. Unfortunately future meetings won't work b/c the museum will > > revert to its normal 5 PM closing time once the Leonardo exhibit ends > > on Jan. 23, but we would be honored to host BayPIGgies next month. > > - Rob > > > > On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > > > >> i think because of the (re)start of the SF group, that BayPIGgies > > >> will > > >> prefer to remain in the south bay, but i'll let the membership chime > > >> in if there are any biases. > > > > > > I think Wesley's right. 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Sorry for any confusion! -- Alison Chaiken (650) 279-5600 (cell) http://www.exerciseforthereader.org/ If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses. -- Henry Ford via BBC From bdbaddog at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 02:09:34 2008 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:09:34 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <8540148a0812291640w14ffcf3dida159ecb5f3aead2@mail.gmail.com> References: <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <78b3a9580812291127g1dae5811pc242aabbc0f00d9@mail.gmail.com> <918C19FE-9C6B-43D6-A3D8-BC0976A16165@sun.science.wayne.edu> <1230596866.6562.305.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812291640w14ffcf3dida159ecb5f3aead2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8540148a0812291709s27ea4efo3e629f307040c9c7@mail.gmail.com> All, Should have read: Anyone opposed to going with Jan 8th at The Tech Museum in San Jose ? (as time is short,etc?) If not let's commit to that location and then I can put info up on the website. -Bill On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:40 PM, William Deegan wrote: > All, > > Anyone opposed to going with Jan 8th at Computer History Museum? > (as time is short,etc?) > > If not let's commit to that location and then I can put info up on the > website. > > -Bill > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:27 PM, jim wrote: > >> >> seems to me we should schedule our january >> 8 meeting at the tech museum, despite the >> downside of increased confusion with greater >> numbers of scheduled locations. >> >> >> On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 13:56 -0800, Robert Stephenson wrote: >> > The Tech Museum in San Jose would be available for the Jan. 8 >> > meeting. Unfortunately future meetings won't work b/c the museum will >> > revert to its normal 5 PM closing time once the Leonardo exhibit ends >> > on Jan. 23, but we would be honored to host BayPIGgies next month. >> > - Rob >> > >> > On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: >> > >> > >> i think because of the (re)start of the SF group, that BayPIGgies >> > >> will >> > >> prefer to remain in the south bay, but i'll let the membership chime >> > >> in if there are any biases. >> > > >> > > I think Wesley's right. 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URL: From aahz at pythoncraft.com Tue Dec 30 02:18:20 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:18:20 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: <8540148a0812291030g6cbe5418g63665d327e3b8ea7@mail.gmail.com> References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <8540148a0812291028l789e0950w24579cd1c1022371@mail.gmail.com> <8540148a0812291030g6cbe5418g63665d327e3b8ea7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081230011820.GA2437@panix.com> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008, William Deegan wrote: > > Another thought might be to get baypiggies a 503c (non-profit) status, that > might make it easier to get space as the companies could (maybe?) write off > the expense as tax deductible? That would be difficult (MASSIVE understatement). If that really would help, we could be listed through the PSF, probably, but I would need to check into that. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "roses are reddish, violets are bluish, Chanukah is 8 days, don't you wish you were Jewish?" From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Tue Dec 30 05:20:01 2008 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:20:01 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Opinions on Pyrex vs. ctypes vs. SWIG and whatever else binds to dynamic/shared libs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The "which wrapper to use?" design question was in fact one of the topics of Damian Eads' paper at this year's SciPy 2008: "First Time Experiences Using SciPy for Computer Vision Research" http://conference.scipy.org/static/wiki/eads-cv.pdf Not saying the paper was the definitive word on this subject, but I thought it was a good paper and an interesting and topical application area (satellite image analysis for nuclear non-proliferation) and a SciPy newbie case study. I suggested we should invite Damian to present at BayPIGgies sometime, any comments? In fact, many folks have experience on this question, it would make a great topic for a presentation by multiple users sharing their viewpoints for different domains (I haven't done this stuff so I can't comment myself; The consensus answer as far as I can see seems to depend largely on how robust and stable the wrapperized code is, how much type-safety you need, exception-handling, how much control or visibility you have over the underlying source etc...) Stephen > From: nar at hush.com > To: baypiggies at python.org > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:23:43 -0800 > Subject: [Baypiggies] Opinions on Pyrex vs. ctypes vs. SWIG and whatever else binds to dynamic/shared libs > > Hi guys, > > Long time lurker, first time poster -- I've got a question that has > been bugging me for a while and I figured I'd roll it out here to see > what opinions people may have. > > I've done a bit of work with Python binding to DLLs on Windows and > shared libraries on Linux/OSX, but I've mostly taken the ctypes route > using GCC-XML to generate wrapper code for me. It would seem that most > cheese shop modules use Pyrex with hand coded wrappers or SWIG to half > auto-gen the wrappers and finish off with hand fix-ups. > > Since ctypes ships with Python I kind of assumed it would be the > 'default' way of performing this task, but most people seem to like > Pyrex and a minority of people seem to use SWIG but hate it. > > I suspect the question is similar to asking 'Which is better, vi or > emacs?', but I'd like to hear what other people are doing / have done > and why they prefer it? > > For those unfamiliar with ctypes / ctypeslib here's the process: > > 0) Install gccxml > 1) Install ctypeslib module if it's not on your system, this will put > h2xml.py and xml2py.py on your system > 2) h2xml.py -I/path/to/includes SomeIncludeFile.h -o SomeIncludeFile.xml > 3) xml2py.py SomeIncludeFile.xml -o NewPythonModule.py > > There's a bit of fiddling you can do with the h2xml stuff as far as > preprocessing, but that's roughly what it takes. You still need to > hand-fix the generated wrapper code to make it 'pythonic' if thats > your flavor, since it passes C-type variables in and out, but it still > seems like a better development flow than using Pyrex/SWIG, but there > may be factors I'm unaware of. (Which is why I'm asking here!) > > Hopefully this isn't too off topic for the list, I look forward to the > responses, > > Thanks! > > Nathan Ramella > nar <> @ <> hush.com _________________________________________________________________ It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjinux at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 08:10:54 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:10:54 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Opinions on Pyrex vs. ctypes vs. SWIG and whatever else binds to dynamic/shared libs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Not saying the paper was the definitive word on this subject, but > I thought it was a good paper and an interesting and topical application > area (satellite image analysis for nuclear non-proliferation) and a > SciPy newbie case study. > > I suggested we should invite Damian to present at BayPIGgies sometime, > any comments? +1 on a talk about: 1. Using SciPy for computer vision research 2. Image analysis for nuclear non-proliferation 3. Which wrapper is best -jj -- In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From jjinux at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 08:16:41 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:16:41 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for locations In-Reply-To: References: <59aa95140812271029s41814d04offb3f7697dea8b26@mail.gmail.com> <1230404586.6562.241.camel@jim-laptop> <8540148a0812271137qaa9c8fdhc191c14adc37f2d0@mail.gmail.com> <60355007-B719-4331-9E22-1CEA20605D8B@glenjarvis.com> <1230595548.6562.293.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: I agree, the Tech Museum seems like a good plan for the next meeting. While at the meeting, let's pass the hat so that we have some wiggle room in case we need to pay for the next month. -jj From andywiggin at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 19:32:08 2008 From: andywiggin at gmail.com (Andy Wiggin) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:32:08 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Opinions on Pyrex vs. ctypes vs. SWIG and whatever else binds to dynamic/shared libs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74e7428a0812301032m7e296752x4f0b26d203bc3899@mail.gmail.com> It's been a long time since I did this myself, but another wrapper generator to consider, and the one I used, is SIP ( http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/software/sip/intro ). As I remember you basically provide it with a simplified C/C++ header file, and it takes care of the rest. It worked very well for me, where I was creating bindings for a few dozen fairly simple C++ classes in order to do cross-platform GUI programming in Python. -Andy On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:23 PM, nar wrote: > Hi guys, > > Long time lurker, first time poster -- I've got a question that has been > bugging me for a while and I figured I'd roll it out here to see what > opinions people may have. > > I've done a bit of work with Python binding to DLLs on Windows and shared > libraries on Linux/OSX, but I've mostly taken the ctypes route using GCC-XML > to generate wrapper code for me. It would seem that most cheese shop modules > use Pyrex with hand coded wrappers or SWIG to half auto-gen the wrappers and > finish off with hand fix-ups. > > Since ctypes ships with Python I kind of assumed it would be the 'default' > way of performing this task, but most people seem to like Pyrex and a > minority of people seem to use SWIG but hate it. > > I suspect the question is similar to asking 'Which is better, vi or emacs?', > but I'd like to hear what other people are doing / have done and why they > prefer it? > > For those unfamiliar with ctypes / ctypeslib here's the process: > > 0) Install gccxml > 1) Install ctypeslib module if it's not on your system, this will put > h2xml.py and xml2py.py on your system > 2) h2xml.py -I/path/to/includes SomeIncludeFile.h -o SomeIncludeFile.xml > 3) xml2py.py SomeIncludeFile.xml -o NewPythonModule.py > > There's a bit of fiddling you can do with the h2xml stuff as far as > preprocessing, but that's roughly what it takes. You still need to hand-fix > the generated wrapper code to make it 'pythonic' if thats your flavor, since > it passes C-type variables in and out, but it still seems like a better > development flow than using Pyrex/SWIG, but there may be factors I'm unaware > of. (Which is why I'm asking here!) > > Hopefully this isn't too off topic for the list, I look forward to the > responses, > > Thanks! > > Nathan Ramella > nar <> @ <> hush.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From bsergean at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 19:50:44 2008 From: bsergean at gmail.com (Benjamin Sergeant) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:50:44 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Opinions on Pyrex vs. ctypes vs. SWIG and whatever else binds to dynamic/shared libs In-Reply-To: <74e7428a0812301032m7e296752x4f0b26d203bc3899@mail.gmail.com> References: <74e7428a0812301032m7e296752x4f0b26d203bc3899@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1621f9fa0812301050o1daad052yd75184b4304cbeda@mail.gmail.com> Yep, SIP is used to create the python binding around the big (lots of code) Qt library. I think there is also a solution from Boost. On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Andy Wiggin wrote: > It's been a long time since I did this myself, but another wrapper > generator to consider, and the one I used, is SIP ( > http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/software/sip/intro ). As I remember > you basically provide it with a simplified C/C++ header file, and it > takes care of the rest. It worked very well for me, where I was > creating bindings for a few dozen fairly simple C++ classes in order > to do cross-platform GUI programming in Python. > > -Andy > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:23 PM, nar wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > Long time lurker, first time poster -- I've got a question that has been > > bugging me for a while and I figured I'd roll it out here to see what > > opinions people may have. > > > > I've done a bit of work with Python binding to DLLs on Windows and shared > > libraries on Linux/OSX, but I've mostly taken the ctypes route using > GCC-XML > > to generate wrapper code for me. It would seem that most cheese shop > modules > > use Pyrex with hand coded wrappers or SWIG to half auto-gen the wrappers > and > > finish off with hand fix-ups. > > > > Since ctypes ships with Python I kind of assumed it would be the > 'default' > > way of performing this task, but most people seem to like Pyrex and a > > minority of people seem to use SWIG but hate it. > > > > I suspect the question is similar to asking 'Which is better, vi or > emacs?', > > but I'd like to hear what other people are doing / have done and why they > > prefer it? > > > > For those unfamiliar with ctypes / ctypeslib here's the process: > > > > 0) Install gccxml > > 1) Install ctypeslib module if it's not on your system, this will put > > h2xml.py and xml2py.py on your system > > 2) h2xml.py -I/path/to/includes SomeIncludeFile.h -o SomeIncludeFile.xml > > 3) xml2py.py SomeIncludeFile.xml -o NewPythonModule.py > > > > There's a bit of fiddling you can do with the h2xml stuff as far as > > preprocessing, but that's roughly what it takes. You still need to > hand-fix > > the generated wrapper code to make it 'pythonic' if thats your flavor, > since > > it passes C-type variables in and out, but it still seems like a better > > development flow than using Pyrex/SWIG, but there may be factors I'm > unaware > > of. 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URL: From jim at well.com Wed Dec 31 04:51:11 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:51:11 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] call for pre-pycon speakers In-Reply-To: References: <1230071267.6562.153.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: <1230695471.6562.422.camel@jim-laptop> thanks lots, how about january in the san jose tech museum? i can guarantee a ride down and back. On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 19:00 -0500, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, jim wrote: > > > this is a call for speakers, especially those who'd like to present a > > pre-pycon rendition of talks you'll be presenting at pycon. please reply > > if you're interested in presenting on january 8 or february 12. > > I'm giving a Tutorial at Pycon entitled: > > "Scrape the Web: Strategies for programming websites that don't expect it" > > It goes beyond mechanize+BeautifulSoup to include a discussion of Selenium > Remote Control, which is the one fairly neat trick up my sleeve. > > I haven't actually written the whole tutorial yet, but I should do that! > I can give a modified version of it to BayPiggies in February so that I > can get feedback to put into the version I'll give in March at PyCon. > I've given similar talks at other venues in the past. > > The tutorial is supposed to be three hours long; no need for my Baypiggies > version to be that long. > http://svn.asheesh.org/svn/public/20082009/pycon-proposal.rst is the > proposal I sent to them, which y'all are welcome to peruse to find things > I should focus on in a way-shorter Baypiggies version. > > -- Asheesh. > From asheesh at asheesh.org Wed Dec 31 03:26:20 2008 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:26:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Baypiggies] SF Python Meetup, Our Location, Django SF Meetup, Intermediate Python@Foothill In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580812112313o3fe41a99o3bc70413fcbf0255@mail.gmail.com> References: <78b3a9580812112313o3fe41a99o3bc70413fcbf0255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, wesley chun wrote: > What: January Hack Session - Theme: App Engine > When: January 7, 2009 7:00 PM > Where: Click the link below to find out! When I saw the meetup page last, I had to give my personal information to meetup.com and sign in before I could see the location. I found that creepy, and so I have not yet learned the location of this event. I also find it weird that this email to the Baypiggies list doesn't say where the event is despite the subject saying "Our Location". Meetup sort of creeps me out since it turned away from its free-of-charge community roots that empowered the Dean Campaign in 2003. The fact that no one will tell me where this event is, unless I give personal information to Meetup, particularly makes me feel uneasy. -- Asheesh. -- Grief can take care of itself; but to get the full value of a joy you must have somebody to divide it with. -- Mark Twain From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 10:45:20 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:45:20 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SF Python Meetup, Our Location, Django SF Meetup, Intermediate Python@Foothill In-Reply-To: References: <78b3a9580812112313o3fe41a99o3bc70413fcbf0255@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, wesley chun wrote: > >> What: January Hack Session - Theme: App Engine >> When: January 7, 2009 7:00 PM >> Where: Click the link below to find out! > > When I saw the meetup page last, I had to give my personal information to > meetup.com and sign in before I could see the location. > > I found that creepy, and so I have not yet learned the location of this > event. I also find it weird that this email to the Baypiggies list doesn't > say where the event is despite the subject saying "Our Location". > > Meetup sort of creeps me out since it turned away from its free-of-charge > community roots that empowered the Dean Campaign in 2003. The fact that no > one will tell me where this event is, unless I give personal information to > Meetup, particularly makes me feel uneasy. It'll be held at Slide, 301 Brannan Street, San Francisco, CA 94107. My guess is that no one expected you to find Meetup creepy especially since the SF Python group is a Meetup group. I think everyone probably assumes that Meetup is yet another one of the billions of sites that you'll need to create a login for. Please note that that meeting is a SF Python Meetup meeting. It's not BayPiggies per se, so we can't exactly tell them not to use Meetup or anything like that ;) -jj -- In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love. -- Mother Teresa http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Wed Dec 31 16:15:32 2008 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:15:32 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] call for pre-pycon speakers/ Webscraping Pycon talk preview Feb In-Reply-To: References: <1230071267.6562.153.camel@jim-laptop> Message-ID: Asheesh, ++!! on the webscraping talk Pycon preview in Feb. At my previous job in Sun I did webscraping in Python+XML (ElementTree) based on some awesome pre-existing work by my coworker Bob R in XSLT. I found ElementTree much simpler and easier to use than the XSLT paradigm. And I have several other interests in webscraping and content aggregation. I look forward to your talk very much and maybe we can get one or two of the Sun tools guys along to attend it too. Best, Stephen > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:00:32 -0500 > From: asheesh at asheesh.org > To: baypiggies at python.org > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] call for pre-pycon speakers > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, jim wrote: > > > this is a call for speakers, especially those who'd like to present a > > pre-pycon rendition of talks you'll be presenting at pycon. please reply > > if you're interested in presenting on january 8 or february 12. > > I'm giving a Tutorial at Pycon entitled: > > "Scrape the Web: Strategies for programming websites that don't expect it" > > It goes beyond mechanize+BeautifulSoup to include a discussion of Selenium > Remote Control, which is the one fairly neat trick up my sleeve. > > I haven't actually written the whole tutorial yet, but I should do that! > I can give a modified version of it to BayPiggies in February so that I > can get feedback to put into the version I'll give in March at PyCon. > I've given similar talks at other venues in the past. > > The tutorial is supposed to be three hours long; no need for my Baypiggies > version to be that long. > http://svn.asheesh.org/svn/public/20082009/pycon-proposal.rst is the > proposal I sent to them, which y'all are welcome to peruse to find things > I should focus on in a way-shorter Baypiggies version. > > -- Asheesh. > > -- > You'll feel much better once you've given up hope. > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. 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