From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 13:47:51 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 04:47:51 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mike Cheponis at the Computer History Museum
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808010447w45faa60el23b350bb34865cf1@mail.gmail.com>

I stumbled across a great video of our own Mike Cheponis at the
Computer History Museum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHTa3EfzrNE

-jj

-- 
Lisp programmers know the value of everything, but the cost of nothing...
On my Lisp, '() costs 4 bytes.
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From kenobi at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 15:51:02 2008
From: kenobi at gmail.com (Rick Kwan)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:51:02 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mike Cheponis at the Computer History Museum
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808010447w45faa60el23b350bb34865cf1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90808010447w45faa60el23b350bb34865cf1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0aa69930808010651q4cb4b10cu3b93a25aa1f4d855@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, PDP-1 music!  What a thing to wake up to in the morning.
Completely brightened my day. :-)  [Mike was good, too.]

--Rick Kwan

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> I stumbled across a great video of our own Mike Cheponis at the
> Computer History Museum:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHTa3EfzrNE
>
> -jj
>
> --
> Lisp programmers know the value of everything, but the cost of nothing...
> On my Lisp, '() costs 4 bytes.
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
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From afife at untangle.com  Fri Aug  1 23:20:23 2008
From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:20:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Installfest for Schools (Next Week)
Message-ID: <014301c8f41c$691f9c00$3b5ed400$@com>

Hi Folks:

This is a quick reminder that the Installfest for Schools in taking place
on the expo floor at LinuxWorld next week (Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday).
We've got an ambitious goal of refurbishing 1,000 older/discarded
computers with GNU/Linux for schools and we need all the help we can get.
Here's how you can lend a hand:

1)Help install GNU/Linux (Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu or gNewSense)
2)Help breakdown bad computers to identify reusable parts  
3)Donate your old computer[1] -- ACCRC will have a collection booth and
can provide tax deductable receipts
4)Know a school that needs computers and is willing to try GNU/Linux
desktops?  Please tell us here:

http://www.untangle.com/index.php?option=com_collect&task=installfestNomin
ate&Itemid=1426

Also, I'm pleased to announce a little help from our friends...  

Mozilla and Canonical/Ubuntu are donating schwag for installfest
volunteers.  Creative commons has packaged CC licensed and Ogg formatted
multi-media content that will be placed on each system.  And No Starch
Press has made another extremely cool donation of a PDF copy of "Ubuntu
for non-Geeks" for EVERY computer...  What a great resource for newbies! 

Why the installfest is cool:

1)Digital Divide: Helps get computers to children/schools in need
2)F/OSS Outreach: Helps expose new users to Free & Open Source Software
3)Environment: Helps divert thousands of pounds of toxic electronic waste
from the landfill
4)Community: Is a great cause to bring the community together around

Lastly, don't forget to register for the LinuxWorld Expo.  The passes are
free if you register in advance, but $50 onsite.  Register here:

https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/lnsf2008/ga/index2.html

Learn more about the installfest here:

http://www.untangle.com/installfest  

Thanks so much for your help!

-Andrew

References & Notes:
[1]PIII and newer systems will be refurbished with Ubuntu for schools.
Older systems will be recycled properly by the ACCRC.

Here is a writeup of the first event: http://lwn.net/Articles/273770/ 

and here are some pictures: 

http://www.untangle.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=355&Item
id=139

--
Andrew Fife
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www.untangle.com/download

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From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  1 23:53:40 2008
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:53:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] =?windows-1256?q?_Carpooling/hotel_roomshare/BOF_arr?=
 =?windows-1256?q?angements_for_attending_SciPy_Conference=3F=FE?=
Message-ID: <BAY111-W10E0C85833F73D8DAE1253A07F0@phx.gbl>


Anyone who is attending SciPy Conference and wants to either:
 
a) carpool (I plan to go down Mon 18th, daytime. Oneway only,
don't need a ride back. I'm in Mtn View.)
 
b) roomshare at the Marriott. I will be staying Mon 18th-Sat 23
Or at least roomshare for as many of those days as you're there.
 
c) BOF: Matthew Turk wondered if anyone wanted to have a
SF Bay Area SciPy BOF down at the conference (since many of us have
South Bay folks have never met the Berkeley or Livermore folks).
Sounds like a good idea, any interest, not sure if we have the numbers?
Presumably we would schedule it to not conflict with other BOFs.
Not sure which lunchtime or evening slot would work best?
 
Regards,
Stephen
 
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From jim at well.com  Sat Aug  2 01:10:04 2008
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:10:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help the LUG booth at LinuxWorld
Message-ID: <1217632204.10905.570.camel@ubuntu>



If you're coming to LinuxWorld, let me 
know if you can spend a little time at 
the common LUG booth in the .Org pavilion 
(booth #14). Coverage is still a little 
too light, we can use help on all days, 
Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. 


Per Untangle's email re the installfest: 

Don't forget to register for the LinuxWorld Expo. 
The passes are free if you register in advance, 
but $50 onsite.  Register here:

https://register.rcsreg.com/regos-1.0/lnsf2008/ga/index2.html



From john_re at fastmail.us  Sat Aug  2 16:47:28 2008
From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 07:47:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Today Aug2 Sat Python at BerkeleyTIP - GNU(Linux)/BSD
 Talks Installfest Potluck ProgrammingParty
Message-ID: <1217688448.28116.1266647649@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi Fernando, Jerrod - I saw your posts on BayPiggies. IR  Jarrod works
at UCB & Fernando might have attended SciPy meetings  at Berkeley.
(StephenM who posted recently about carpools to SciPy informed me it
wasn't he who works at UCB.) I think it would be a great fit to have
SciPy people attend
this global meeting.  Not enough time to get word to your members this
month, but perhaps you'd like to come by the meeting today & say "hi",
if you are in the area. 
:)  

Hi BayPiggies - Or, any others interested in Python, come on by.

1130AM Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli

Feel free to also forward this to your members email list.

=====
Join with us at the Free Speech cafe, 10AM-6PM.

Further details at 
http://groups.google.com/group/berktip

=====  VIDEO TALKS FOR AUGUST 2 MEETING  =====

For this first meeting, today, Saturday, I've scheduled the following
videos to watch (All times Pacific Daylight Savings Time, adjust for
local time accordingly.):

TENTATIVE SCHEDULE: 

1000 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network1:  Asterisk VOIP - Sameer Verma
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2148055040572903738
                http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20070628
Social:     ?
1130 AM--------------------------------------------------------------
Network2:  Debian - Setup A WiFi Repeater
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKe_jXszFc
Prog Lang:  Painless Python Part 1 - Alex Martelli
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=bDgD9whDfEY
                http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2008-June/003629.html
Database:   A Googly MySQL Cluster 
                http://youtube.com/watch?v=HJ930zMk96U
100 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
GUIs:       ?
Distros:    git - Linus Torvalds
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2199332044603874737
230 PM--------------------------------------------------------------
Business:   Web 2.0 startups - David Weekly
                http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2765503550413131030
                http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20080626
Education:  Python on the OLPC XO Laptop
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPabiIHgmBU

From jjinux at gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 21:59:08 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:59:08 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] identity cache / flywheel design pattern
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808021259m3bc3b968tfad11339ad162c4f@mail.gmail.com>

I'm have a program that intrinsically eats up a ton of memory.  I
often read lines from a file that are the same, so I end up with
multiple copies of the same data in memory.  I know that strings are
immutable, so there's no need for me to have two pointers to different
but equal data when I can have two pointers to the same data.  I
thought of a simple trick to fix this:

>>> s1 = "foo"
>>> s2 = ''.join(['f', 'o', 'o'])
>>> s1 == s2
True
>>> s1 is s2
False
>>> identity_cache = {}
>>> s1 = identity_cache.setdefault(s1, s1)
>>> s2 = identity_cache.setdefault(s2, s2)
>>> s1 == 'foo'
True
>>> s1 == s2
True
>>> s1 is s2
True

Of course, in a real library, I'd use lazy references.  Can anyone
comment on this trick?  Does it already exist in the library?  Is
there a standard name for this besides the flywheel design pattern?
Is that the correct name?  I might go looking to see if it's in the
Cookbook, but I'm not even sure if that's the right name.

Thanks,
-jj

-- 
Lisp programmers know the value of everything, but the cost of nothing...
On my Lisp, '() costs 4 bytes.
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From jim at well.com  Sat Aug  2 22:13:07 2008
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:13:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] identity cache / flywheel design pattern
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808021259m3bc3b968tfad11339ad162c4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90808021259m3bc3b968tfad11339ad162c4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1217707987.10905.668.camel@ubuntu>



   i wonder if you have a newbie nugget here 
regardless of subsequent improvements: would 
you please explain what's going on in the two 
setdefault() statements that makes this work? 
what's being returned to s1 and then to s2? 



On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 12:59 -0700, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> I'm have a program that intrinsically eats up a ton of memory.  I
> often read lines from a file that are the same, so I end up with
> multiple copies of the same data in memory.  I know that strings are
> immutable, so there's no need for me to have two pointers to different
> but equal data when I can have two pointers to the same data.  I
> thought of a simple trick to fix this:
> 
> >>> s1 = "foo"
> >>> s2 = ''.join(['f', 'o', 'o'])
> >>> s1 == s2
> True
> >>> s1 is s2
> False
> >>> identity_cache = {}
> >>> s1 = identity_cache.setdefault(s1, s1)
> >>> s2 = identity_cache.setdefault(s2, s2)
> >>> s1 == 'foo'
> True
> >>> s1 == s2
> True
> >>> s1 is s2
> True
> 
> Of course, in a real library, I'd use lazy references.  Can anyone
> comment on this trick?  Does it already exist in the library?  Is
> there a standard name for this besides the flywheel design pattern?
> Is that the correct name?  I might go looking to see if it's in the
> Cookbook, but I'm not even sure if that's the right name.
> 
> Thanks,
> -jj
> 


From drewp at bigasterisk.com  Sat Aug  2 22:43:53 2008
From: drewp at bigasterisk.com (Drew Perttula)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:43:53 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] identity cache / flywheel design pattern
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808021259m3bc3b968tfad11339ad162c4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90808021259m3bc3b968tfad11339ad162c4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4894C709.3030808@bigasterisk.com>

Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
>
>>>> identity_cache = {}
>>>> s1 = identity_cache.setdefault(s1, s1)
>>>> s2 = identity_cache.setdefault(s2, s2)
> Of course, in a real library, I'd use lazy references.  Can anyone
> comment on this trick?  Does it already exist in the library?  Is
> there a standard name for this besides the flywheel design pattern?
> Is that the correct name?  I might go looking to see if it's in the
> Cookbook, but I'm not even sure if that's the right name.
>
> Thanks,
> -jj
>
>   
I think you've reinvented intern(), or something very close to it.

BTW the pattern name is 'flyweight', although I'm not sure if it's 
appropriate here. You don't have part of the data in a per-instance 
object and the rest shared in a flyweight object; your entire object is 
sharable. (But maybe that's still flyweight, just a really simple form 
of it.)


From davidoff56 at alluvialsw.com  Sat Aug  2 22:15:09 2008
From: davidoff56 at alluvialsw.com (Monte Davidoff)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:15:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] identity cache / flywheel design pattern
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808021259m3bc3b968tfad11339ad162c4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90808021259m3bc3b968tfad11339ad162c4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4894C04D.1040406@alluvialsw.com>

JJ,

Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> I'm have a program that intrinsically eats up a ton of memory.  I
> often read lines from a file that are the same, so I end up with
> multiple copies of the same data in memory.

It sounds like a job for the "intern" built-in function (from section 
2.2, Non-essential Built-in Functions, in the Python Library Reference).

 >>> s1 = intern("foo")
 >>> s2 = intern(''.join(['f', 'o', 'o']))
 >>> s1 == 'foo'
True
 >>> s1 == s2
True
 >>> s1 is s2
True
 >>>

Curious that your signature referred to Lisp, which has used the intern 
concept for decades! ;-)

Monte



From jjinux at gmail.com  Sun Aug  3 03:57:23 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:57:23 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] identity cache / flywheel design pattern
In-Reply-To: <4894C709.3030808@bigasterisk.com>
References: <c41f67b90808021259m3bc3b968tfad11339ad162c4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4894C709.3030808@bigasterisk.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808021857p62bd08d5se121eef1cc1841f3@mail.gmail.com>

I've blogged about it here:
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2008/08/python-intern.html

> i wonder if you have a newbie nugget here
> regardless of subsequent improvements: would you please explain what's
> going on in the two setdefault() statements that makes this work?
> what's being returned to s1 and then to s2?

The code is basically saying:

if identity_cache.has_key(s2):
    s2 = identity_cache[s2]  # Get the cached instance of the same value.
else:
    identity_cache[s2] = s2  # Cache the instance.

s2 always has the same "value", but the above code makes sure there's
only *one copy* of that value.

> It sounds like a job for the "intern" built-in function

Bingo.  Right you are!  It makes the identity_cache completely
unnecessary.

> Curious that your signature referred to Lisp, which has used the
> intern concept for decades! ;-)

Proof positive that there's a lot about Lisp I don't know ;)

> BTW the pattern name is 'flyweight'

You know, when I read "flyweight" in the gang of four, I envisioned a
flywheel, and I could never figure out why they picked that name ;)

> But maybe that's still flyweight, just a really simple form of it.

I remember the example in the book was using a flyweight for character
objects.  Hence, every 'a' would be the same instance.

Thanks guys!

From paul.lucas at rexandco.com  Mon Aug  4 17:51:21 2008
From: paul.lucas at rexandco.com (Paul Lucas)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:51:21 -0400
Subject: [Baypiggies] Software Engineer Position in San Francisco, CA
Message-ID: <88907A2C0CDB224286CED657E2A5BD0F129073@BE160.mail.lan>

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The ideal candidate should have experience with web application
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From job at salesinq.com  Mon Aug  4 20:54:35 2008
From: job at salesinq.com (Emile van Sebille)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:54:35 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a do-it-all general practitioner for full
 time permanent position
Message-ID: <4897506B.8030405@salesinq.com>


I'm a one-man shop independent since '79 operating out of Burlingame 
looking for someone to work closely with me to support my customers and 
move forward on new applications. I've got 10 or so active accounts with 
a few monopolizing my time.

I have work for someone who recognizes most of the terms below, has 
worked with half, and is comfortably up to speed with a third.  Regular 
commuting to Fremont and Watsonville required with occasional visits to 
Petaluma, Sacramento and Fresno.  Possibilities for working from home.  

Work includes pc and printer deployment as well as some customer and 
desktop support.

Please indicate salary requirements when responding.  This is a full 
time position for the next 5-7 years.  Python is used extensively as 
glue interfacing various pieces together.  There's a lot of technologies 
at play here, so if you're an independently minded developer, enjoy 
integrating existing technologies to provide new solutions, and doing 
rapid discovery and deployment of new technologies, this could be for you.

activefax, apache, bash, bbx, bios, centOS, clam, CNC, courier, crontab, 
css, cups, df, dhcp, django, dns, dom, DPL, dtml, du, Excel, expect, 
ftp, gcode, ghostview, HPGL, html, IE, imap, ipadder, ipchains, 
iptables, javascript, kvm, ldap, lightning, links, lpd, mailman, 
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From jeff at drinktomi.com  Tue Aug  5 00:03:41 2008
From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:03:41 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] identity cache / flywheel design pattern
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808021857p62bd08d5se121eef1cc1841f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90808021259m3bc3b968tfad11339ad162c4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4894C709.3030808@bigasterisk.com>
	<c41f67b90808021857p62bd08d5se121eef1cc1841f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <742F1E2E-0442-4BA1-920B-43BB882C70EA@drinktomi.com>

JJ writes:

> Bingo.  Right you are!  It makes the identity_cache completely
> unnecessary.

Assuming that you are caching strings and not some other data
structure.

-jeff


From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 00:36:19 2008
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:36:19 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Anyone near West San Jose driving up to LinuxWorld
	tomorrow?
Message-ID: <baf0d46b0808041536x553a1564s33e56b704d62fa44@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

As I mentioned I'm helping to (wo)man the Plone booth for the next three
days.

Anyone else driving up from San Jose to San Fran tomorrow morning (somewhat
early) willing to give me a ride up.
I'm not expected there til 1pm but would like to get there a bit earlier so
I can walk around.

Or even if you are driving to the train station and taking the train up
(either way).

Let me know, I'd love the company.

Donna M Snow
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From aleax at google.com  Tue Aug  5 02:17:43 2008
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:17:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] identity cache / flywheel design pattern
In-Reply-To: <742F1E2E-0442-4BA1-920B-43BB882C70EA@drinktomi.com>
References: <c41f67b90808021259m3bc3b968tfad11339ad162c4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4894C709.3030808@bigasterisk.com>
	<c41f67b90808021857p62bd08d5se121eef1cc1841f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<742F1E2E-0442-4BA1-920B-43BB882C70EA@drinktomi.com>
Message-ID: <55dc209b0808041717j3383cb75q973bf62712bd45ae@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Jeff Younker <jeff at drinktomi.com> wrote:
> JJ writes:
>
>> Bingo.  Right you are!  It makes the identity_cache completely
>> unnecessary.
>
> Assuming that you are caching strings and not some other data
> structure.

Also, by using an explicit dict as a cache you potentially gain
control over cache-purging behavior (when memory gets low).

Alex

From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Tue Aug  5 05:57:18 2008
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:57:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Anyone near West San Jose driving up to LinuxWorld
	tomorrow?
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I have a ride for tomorrow and Wednesday :-) (thank you very much guys!)

I'll be there bright and early tomorrow and will be available to help where
needed.

Hope to see some of you there!

Donna M. Snow
(who is printing flyers for tomorrow)

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Donna Snow <donnamsnow at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As I mentioned I'm helping to (wo)man the Plone booth for the next three
> days.
>
> Anyone else driving up from San Jose to San Fran tomorrow morning (somewhat
> early) willing to give me a ride up.
> I'm not expected there til 1pm but would like to get there a bit earlier so
> I can walk around.
>
> Or even if you are driving to the train station and taking the train up
> (either way).
>
> Let me know, I'd love the company.
>
> Donna M Snow
>
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From hjtoi at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 06:05:09 2008
From: hjtoi at comcast.net (Heikki Toivonen)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:05:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
Message-ID: <489922F5.3000509@comcast.net>

I have had this little Python script for over a year, but it didn't
occur to me until today that there might be some interest on this list.

CaltrainPy (http://caltrain.heikkitoivonen.net/developers.html) is a
Python program that I originally wrote for my Windows Mobile device to
help me figure out when the next train runs. It turned out Python didn't
work out so great on Windows Mobile, but it works fine on desktops, and
maybe it would work well in some other device where Python is a first
class citizen. It uses Tkinter for UI. I then added a little
functionality to scrape the Caltrain HTML schedule and provide it in
more machine friendly formats. You can get the latest version by doing
"easy_install caltrain".

-- 
  Heikki Toivonen

From cuba at well.com  Wed Aug  6 06:23:28 2008
From: cuba at well.com (Larry Cuba)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:23:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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At 09:16 PM 8/5/2008, Heikki Toivonen wrote:
>It turned out Python didn't
>work out so great on Windows Mobile, ...

what was the problem with it?

something i should know before i buy
a windows mobile device? 

Larry C.



From hjtoi at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 06:38:44 2008
From: hjtoi at comcast.net (Heikki Toivonen)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:38:44 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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Larry Cuba wrote:
> At 09:16 PM 8/5/2008, Heikki Toivonen wrote:
>> It turned out Python didn't
>> work out so great on Windows Mobile, ...
> 
> what was the problem with it?

Most of the time importing tkinter failed. Doing a reset was required to
get that working. After a few successful imports, Python itself would
fail to start. Again reset was required. And even when everything was
working, it took 10-30 seconds (it has been a while since I tried) to
start python and for it to start my application. (Once everything was up
the performance was ok, though.)

I should point out that I tried only one specific Python binary on my
device. I know other people have built their own versions, some come
with wxPython etc. so there might actually be a Python version that
works ok on a Windows Mobile device. I think the Venster project
(http://venster.sourceforge.net/htdocs/index.html) supposedly also works
on WM.

-- 
  Heikki Toivonen

From guido at python.org  Wed Aug  6 17:02:36 2008
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:02:36 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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Neat! I'd be interested in a port to Python for the Nokia S60 platform.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Heikki Toivonen <hjtoi at comcast.net> wrote:
> I have had this little Python script for over a year, but it didn't
> occur to me until today that there might be some interest on this list.
>
> CaltrainPy (http://caltrain.heikkitoivonen.net/developers.html) is a
> Python program that I originally wrote for my Windows Mobile device to
> help me figure out when the next train runs. It turned out Python didn't
> work out so great on Windows Mobile, but it works fine on desktops, and
> maybe it would work well in some other device where Python is a first
> class citizen. It uses Tkinter for UI. I then added a little
> functionality to scrape the Caltrain HTML schedule and provide it in
> more machine friendly formats. You can get the latest version by doing
> "easy_install caltrain".

-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

From sfseth at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 21:13:33 2008
From: sfseth at gmail.com (Seth Friedman)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:13:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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I was just thinking about Python on S60.   In a bit of anti-Apple
closed-platform ire, i've been thinking of replacing my phone with something
I could code for, ideally in Python.   Not that I really understand how
locked down Apple is keeping the iphone, but the marketing folks at Nokia
knew how to push my buttons when they build the website of the N96 and all
the homebrew applications people could write on them... can't seem to locate
the url this moment, but they were cute videos where... for example, one
couple, the wife had written a lie detector program on the N96 that she
built for her husband..

But at some level I agree with Nokia that these are really mobile computers
- in this case with ~125x the cpu power of my first device called a
computer.   In a sense it's a little archaic to call them phones.   Sorta
like if we were calling desktops 'word processors'.    O'course, moving the
mobile phone to mobile computer requires development community to build
enough different apps, at some point chicken / egg situation applies.

Anyway, can anyone comment about how far away from a port of Python to
Symbian we might be, if there's the seed of a project anyplace?

~seth

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:

> Neat! I'd be interested in a port to Python for the Nokia S60 platform.
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Heikki Toivonen <hjtoi at comcast.net> wrote:
> > I have had this little Python script for over a year, but it didn't
> > occur to me until today that there might be some interest on this list.
> >
> > CaltrainPy (http://caltrain.heikkitoivonen.net/developers.html) is a
> > Python program that I originally wrote for my Windows Mobile device to
> > help me figure out when the next train runs. It turned out Python didn't
> > work out so great on Windows Mobile, but it works fine on desktops, and
> > maybe it would work well in some other device where Python is a first
> > class citizen. It uses Tkinter for UI. I then added a little
> > functionality to scrape the Caltrain HTML schedule and provide it in
> > more machine friendly formats. You can get the latest version by doing
> > "easy_install caltrain".
>
> --
> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/<http://www.python.org/%7Eguido/>
> )
> _______________________________________________
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From guido at python.org  Wed Aug  6 21:19:25 2008
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:19:25 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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Um, Python has been ported to Symbian S60 for years now.
http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Seth Friedman <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was just thinking about Python on S60.   In a bit of anti-Apple
> closed-platform ire, i've been thinking of replacing my phone with something
> I could code for, ideally in Python.   Not that I really understand how
> locked down Apple is keeping the iphone, but the marketing folks at Nokia
> knew how to push my buttons when they build the website of the N96 and all
> the homebrew applications people could write on them... can't seem to locate
> the url this moment, but they were cute videos where... for example, one
> couple, the wife had written a lie detector program on the N96 that she
> built for her husband..
>
> But at some level I agree with Nokia that these are really mobile computers
> - in this case with ~125x the cpu power of my first device called a
> computer.   In a sense it's a little archaic to call them phones.   Sorta
> like if we were calling desktops 'word processors'.    O'course, moving the
> mobile phone to mobile computer requires development community to build
> enough different apps, at some point chicken / egg situation applies.
>
> Anyway, can anyone comment about how far away from a port of Python to
> Symbian we might be, if there's the seed of a project anyplace?
>
> ~seth
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:
>>
>> Neat! I'd be interested in a port to Python for the Nokia S60 platform.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Heikki Toivonen <hjtoi at comcast.net> wrote:
>> > I have had this little Python script for over a year, but it didn't
>> > occur to me until today that there might be some interest on this list.
>> >
>> > CaltrainPy (http://caltrain.heikkitoivonen.net/developers.html) is a
>> > Python program that I originally wrote for my Windows Mobile device to
>> > help me figure out when the next train runs. It turned out Python didn't
>> > work out so great on Windows Mobile, but it works fine on desktops, and
>> > maybe it would work well in some other device where Python is a first
>> > class citizen. It uses Tkinter for UI. I then added a little
>> > functionality to scrape the Caltrain HTML schedule and provide it in
>> > more machine friendly formats. You can get the latest version by doing
>> > "easy_install caltrain".
>>
>> --
>> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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>



-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

From sfseth at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 21:26:06 2008
From: sfseth at gmail.com (Seth Friedman)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:26:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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Sweet.   I did a search for python on S60 a few weeks ago and didn't see
this for some reason.

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bjorn Tipling <bkt at me.com> wrote:

> I think it's not about Apple locking down and being anti-python, it's just
> that they haven't had time to make it all work. I think Apple has been very
> supportive of python and has worked hard to bridge objective-c and python in
> its Cocoa framework.
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 06, 2008, at 12:20PM, "Guido van Rossum" <
> guido at python.org> wrote:
> >Um, Python has been ported to Symbian S60 for years now.
> >http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
> >
> >On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Seth Friedman <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I was just thinking about Python on S60.   In a bit of anti-Apple
> >> closed-platform ire, i've been thinking of replacing my phone with
> something
> >> I could code for, ideally in Python.   Not that I really understand how
> >> locked down Apple is keeping the iphone, but the marketing folks at
> Nokia
> >> knew how to push my buttons when they build the website of the N96 and
> all
> >> the homebrew applications people could write on them... can't seem to
> locate
> >> the url this moment, but they were cute videos where... for example, one
> >> couple, the wife had written a lie detector program on the N96 that she
> >> built for her husband..
> >>
> >> But at some level I agree with Nokia that these are really mobile
> computers
> >> - in this case with ~125x the cpu power of my first device called a
> >> computer.   In a sense it's a little archaic to call them phones.
> Sorta
> >> like if we were calling desktops 'word processors'.    O'course, moving
> the
> >> mobile phone to mobile computer requires development community to build
> >> enough different apps, at some point chicken / egg situation applies.
> >>
> >> Anyway, can anyone comment about how far away from a port of Python to
> >> Symbian we might be, if there's the seed of a project anyplace?
> >>
> >> ~seth
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Neat! I'd be interested in a port to Python for the Nokia S60 platform.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Heikki Toivonen <hjtoi at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>> > I have had this little Python script for over a year, but it didn't
> >>> > occur to me until today that there might be some interest on this
> list.
> >>> >
> >>> > CaltrainPy (http://caltrain.heikkitoivonen.net/developers.html) is a
> >>> > Python program that I originally wrote for my Windows Mobile device
> to
> >>> > help me figure out when the next train runs. It turned out Python
> didn't
> >>> > work out so great on Windows Mobile, but it works fine on desktops,
> and
> >>> > maybe it would work well in some other device where Python is a first
> >>> > class citizen. It uses Tkinter for UI. I then added a little
> >>> > functionality to scrape the Caltrain HTML schedule and provide it in
> >>> > more machine friendly formats. You can get the latest version by
> doing
> >>> > "easy_install caltrain".
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/<http://www.python.org/%7Eguido/>
> )
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Baypiggies mailing list
> >>> Baypiggies at python.org
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> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/<http://www.python.org/%7Eguido/>
> )
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From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 21:41:31 2008
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:41:31 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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Hmm.. Well, I reading this at a Nokia forum in SF.  Next up is
"Rapidly Prototyping Mobile Phone Applications with Python" followed
by "Python Demos".  Likely you can work on Nokia phones.

Catch me at the next meeting for a summary.

-- Charles


On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Seth Friedman <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sweet.   I did a search for python on S60 a few weeks ago and didn't see
> this for some reason.
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bjorn Tipling <bkt at me.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think it's not about Apple locking down and being anti-python, it's just
>> that they haven't had time to make it all work. I think Apple has been very
>> supportive of python and has worked hard to bridge objective-c and python in
>> its Cocoa framework.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 06, 2008, at 12:20PM, "Guido van Rossum"
>> <guido at python.org> wrote:
>> >Um, Python has been ported to Symbian S60 for years now.
>> >http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
>> >
>> >On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Seth Friedman <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I was just thinking about Python on S60.   In a bit of anti-Apple
>> >> closed-platform ire, i've been thinking of replacing my phone with
>> >> something
>> >> I could code for, ideally in Python.   Not that I really understand how
>> >> locked down Apple is keeping the iphone, but the marketing folks at
>> >> Nokia
>> >> knew how to push my buttons when they build the website of the N96 and
>> >> all
>> >> the homebrew applications people could write on them... can't seem to
>> >> locate
>> >> the url this moment, but they were cute videos where... for example,
>> >> one
>> >> couple, the wife had written a lie detector program on the N96 that she
>> >> built for her husband..
>> >>
>> >> But at some level I agree with Nokia that these are really mobile
>> >> computers
>> >> - in this case with ~125x the cpu power of my first device called a
>> >> computer.   In a sense it's a little archaic to call them phones.
>> >> Sorta
>> >> like if we were calling desktops 'word processors'.    O'course, moving
>> >> the
>> >> mobile phone to mobile computer requires development community to build
>> >> enough different apps, at some point chicken / egg situation applies.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, can anyone comment about how far away from a port of Python to
>> >> Symbian we might be, if there's the seed of a project anyplace?
>> >>
>> >> ~seth
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Neat! I'd be interested in a port to Python for the Nokia S60
>> >>> platform.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Heikki Toivonen <hjtoi at comcast.net>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > I have had this little Python script for over a year, but it didn't
>> >>> > occur to me until today that there might be some interest on this
>> >>> > list.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > CaltrainPy (http://caltrain.heikkitoivonen.net/developers.html) is a
>> >>> > Python program that I originally wrote for my Windows Mobile device
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > help me figure out when the next train runs. It turned out Python
>> >>> > didn't
>> >>> > work out so great on Windows Mobile, but it works fine on desktops,
>> >>> > and
>> >>> > maybe it would work well in some other device where Python is a
>> >>> > first
>> >>> > class citizen. It uses Tkinter for UI. I then added a little
>> >>> > functionality to scrape the Caltrain HTML schedule and provide it in
>> >>> > more machine friendly formats. You can get the latest version by
>> >>> > doing
>> >>> > "easy_install caltrain".
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> >>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Baypiggies mailing list
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From aldenm at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 21:46:33 2008
From: aldenm at gmail.com (Alden Meneses)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:46:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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This thread had me looking for a S60 phone for AT&T but no luck. Curious
what carriers people have for their S60 phones and if they are using AT&T
what they had to do to get it working.

Also I was at LinuxWorld yesterday and stopped by OpenMoko booth and got to
look at the Neo Freerunner. Not as sexy as the Nokia or Samsung phones and
will also provide a debug board to allow you to tinker with the phone.



On 8/6/08, Seth Friedman <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sweet.   I did a search for python on S60 a few weeks ago and didn't see
> this for some reason.
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bjorn Tipling <bkt at me.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it's not about Apple locking down and being anti-python, it's just
>> that they haven't had time to make it all work. I think Apple has been very
>> supportive of python and has worked hard to bridge objective-c and python in
>> its Cocoa framework.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 06, 2008, at 12:20PM, "Guido van Rossum" <
>> guido at python.org> wrote:
>> >Um, Python has been ported to Symbian S60 for years now.
>> >http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
>> >
>> >On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Seth Friedman <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I was just thinking about Python on S60.   In a bit of anti-Apple
>> >> closed-platform ire, i've been thinking of replacing my phone with
>> something
>> >> I could code for, ideally in Python.   Not that I really understand how
>> >> locked down Apple is keeping the iphone, but the marketing folks at
>> Nokia
>> >> knew how to push my buttons when they build the website of the N96 and
>> all
>> >> the homebrew applications people could write on them... can't seem to
>> locate
>> >> the url this moment, but they were cute videos where... for example,
>> one
>> >> couple, the wife had written a lie detector program on the N96 that she
>> >> built for her husband..
>> >>
>> >> But at some level I agree with Nokia that these are really mobile
>> computers
>> >> - in this case with ~125x the cpu power of my first device called a
>> >> computer.   In a sense it's a little archaic to call them phones.
>> Sorta
>> >> like if we were calling desktops 'word processors'.    O'course, moving
>> the
>> >> mobile phone to mobile computer requires development community to build
>> >> enough different apps, at some point chicken / egg situation applies.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, can anyone comment about how far away from a port of Python to
>> >> Symbian we might be, if there's the seed of a project anyplace?
>> >>
>> >> ~seth
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Neat! I'd be interested in a port to Python for the Nokia S60
>> platform.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Heikki Toivonen <hjtoi at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>> > I have had this little Python script for over a year, but it didn't
>> >>> > occur to me until today that there might be some interest on this
>> list.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > CaltrainPy (http://caltrain.heikkitoivonen.net/developers.html) is
>> a
>> >>> > Python program that I originally wrote for my Windows Mobile device
>> to
>> >>> > help me figure out when the next train runs. It turned out Python
>> didn't
>> >>> > work out so great on Windows Mobile, but it works fine on desktops,
>> and
>> >>> > maybe it would work well in some other device where Python is a
>> first
>> >>> > class citizen. It uses Tkinter for UI. I then added a little
>> >>> > functionality to scrape the Caltrain HTML schedule and provide it in
>> >>> > more machine friendly formats. You can get the latest version by
>> doing
>> >>> > "easy_install caltrain".
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/<http://www.python.org/%7Eguido/>
>> )
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>> )
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From: nathan at yergler.net (Nathan Yergler)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:01:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Alden Meneses <aldenm at gmail.com> wrote:
> This thread had me looking for a S60 phone for AT&T but no luck. Curious
> what carriers people have for their S60 phones and if they are using AT&T
> what they had to do to get it working.

I use AT&T; purchased an unlocked Nokia N95 from Amazon.com.  Just
popped in the SIM from my Blackberry, called AT&T to switch my data
plan over to the general purpose unlimited plan.  Took about 10
minutes on the phone.

>
> Also I was at LinuxWorld yesterday and stopped by OpenMoko booth and got to
> look at the Neo Freerunner. Not as sexy as the Nokia or Samsung phones and
> will also provide a debug board to allow you to tinker with the phone.
>
>
> On 8/6/08, Seth Friedman <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sweet.   I did a search for python on S60 a few weeks ago and didn't see
>> this for some reason.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Bjorn Tipling <bkt at me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it's not about Apple locking down and being anti-python, it's
>>> just that they haven't had time to make it all work. I think Apple has been
>>> very supportive of python and has worked hard to bridge objective-c and
>>> python in its Cocoa framework.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 06, 2008, at 12:20PM, "Guido van Rossum"
>>> <guido at python.org> wrote:
>>> >Um, Python has been ported to Symbian S60 for years now.
>>> >http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
>>> >
>>> >On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Seth Friedman <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> I was just thinking about Python on S60.   In a bit of anti-Apple
>>> >> closed-platform ire, i've been thinking of replacing my phone with
>>> >> something
>>> >> I could code for, ideally in Python.   Not that I really understand
>>> >> how
>>> >> locked down Apple is keeping the iphone, but the marketing folks at
>>> >> Nokia
>>> >> knew how to push my buttons when they build the website of the N96 and
>>> >> all
>>> >> the homebrew applications people could write on them... can't seem to
>>> >> locate
>>> >> the url this moment, but they were cute videos where... for example,
>>> >> one
>>> >> couple, the wife had written a lie detector program on the N96 that
>>> >> she
>>> >> built for her husband..
>>> >>
>>> >> But at some level I agree with Nokia that these are really mobile
>>> >> computers
>>> >> - in this case with ~125x the cpu power of my first device called a
>>> >> computer.   In a sense it's a little archaic to call them phones.
>>> >> Sorta
>>> >> like if we were calling desktops 'word processors'.    O'course,
>>> >> moving the
>>> >> mobile phone to mobile computer requires development community to
>>> >> build
>>> >> enough different apps, at some point chicken / egg situation applies.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyway, can anyone comment about how far away from a port of Python to
>>> >> Symbian we might be, if there's the seed of a project anyplace?
>>> >>
>>> >> ~seth
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Neat! I'd be interested in a port to Python for the Nokia S60
>>> >>> platform.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Heikki Toivonen <hjtoi at comcast.net>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>> > I have had this little Python script for over a year, but it didn't
>>> >>> > occur to me until today that there might be some interest on this
>>> >>> > list.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > CaltrainPy (http://caltrain.heikkitoivonen.net/developers.html) is
>>> >>> > a
>>> >>> > Python program that I originally wrote for my Windows Mobile device
>>> >>> > to
>>> >>> > help me figure out when the next train runs. It turned out Python
>>> >>> > didn't
>>> >>> > work out so great on Windows Mobile, but it works fine on desktops,
>>> >>> > and
>>> >>> > maybe it would work well in some other device where Python is a
>>> >>> > first
>>> >>> > class citizen. It uses Tkinter for UI. I then added a little
>>> >>> > functionality to scrape the Caltrain HTML schedule and provide it
>>> >>> > in
>>> >>> > more machine friendly formats. You can get the latest version by
>>> >>> > doing
>>> >>> > "easy_install caltrain".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> Baypiggies mailing list
>>> >>> Baypiggies at python.org
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 22:01:51 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:01:51 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] len(iterable)
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808061301y5ee8317fxa50cd8208774b525@mail.gmail.com>

I have an iterable, and I want to find out how long it is.  I don't
care if it consumes the iterable.  Furthermore, I know the iterable is
not infinite.  Consider:

>>> len((i for i in xrange(10)))
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
TypeError: object of type 'generator' has no len()

It makes sense that len() not be defined, but I can't seem to find a
simple count function.  Of course, I can write one, but it seems like
it should exist in itertools or something.  (By the way, the count
function in itertools is something completely different.)

Thanks,
-jj

-- 
Lisp programmers know the value of everything, but the cost of nothing...
On my Lisp, '() costs 4 bytes.
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From guido at python.org  Wed Aug  6 22:08:30 2008
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:08:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] len(iterable)
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sum(1 for x in it)

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have an iterable, and I want to find out how long it is.  I don't
> care if it consumes the iterable.  Furthermore, I know the iterable is
> not infinite.  Consider:
>
>>>> len((i for i in xrange(10)))
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> TypeError: object of type 'generator' has no len()
>
> It makes sense that len() not be defined, but I can't seem to find a
> simple count function.  Of course, I can write one, but it seems like
> it should exist in itertools or something.  (By the way, the count
> function in itertools is something completely different.)

-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

From tungwaiyip at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  6 22:11:38 2008
From: tungwaiyip at yahoo.com (Tung Wai Yip)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:11:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] len(iterable)
Message-ID: <746252.47077.qm@web56415.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I can think of 2 ways,

>>> it = xrange(10)
>>> len(list(it))
10

>>> it = xrange(10)
>>> sum(1 for i in it)
10

Wai Yip


> I have an iterable, and I want to find out how long it is.  I don't
> care if it consumes the iterable.  Furthermore, I know the iterable is
> not infinite.  Consider:
>
>>>> len((i for i in xrange(10)))
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> TypeError: object of type 'generator' has no len()
>
> It makes sense that len() not be defined, but I can't seem to find a
> simple count function.  Of course, I can write one, but it seems like
> it should exist in itertools or something.  (By the way, the count
> function in itertools is something completely different.)
>
> Thanks,
> -jj
>



From brianz at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 22:31:59 2008
From: brianz at gmail.com (Brian Zambrano)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:31:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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You can also use iCaltrain.....I use it on my iPhone and it works like a
charm:  http://icaltrain.com/blog/.

Along the same lines, the coolest public transportation tracker IMO is
munitime.com.  It'll give you real-time arrival times of MUNI busses and
trains which are GPS-equiped.

BZ

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:

> Neat! I'd be interested in a port to Python for the Nokia S60 platform.
>
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 22:34:07 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:34:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] len(iterable)
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Tung Wai Yip <tungwaiyip at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I can think of 2 ways,
>
>>>> it = xrange(10)
>>>> len(list(it))
> 10
>
>>>> it = xrange(10)
>>>> sum(1 for i in it)
> 10
>
> Wai Yip
>
>
>> I have an iterable, and I want to find out how long it is.  I don't
>> care if it consumes the iterable.  Furthermore, I know the iterable is
>> not infinite.  Consider:
>>
>>>>> len((i for i in xrange(10)))
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
>> TypeError: object of type 'generator' has no len()
>>
>> It makes sense that len() not be defined, but I can't seem to find a
>> simple count function.  Of course, I can write one, but it seems like
>> it should exist in itertools or something.  (By the way, the count
>> function in itertools is something completely different.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -jj

I can't do len(list(iter)) because I don't have enough RAM ;)  Guido
and Wai Yip's idea was the most elegant.  It seems strange that this
isn't in the standard library.

-jj

-- 
Lisp programmers know the value of everything, but the cost of nothing...
On my Lisp, '() costs 4 bytes.
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 22:35:58 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:35:58 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] len(iterable)
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Tung Wai Yip <tungwaiyip at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I can think of 2 ways,
>>
>>>>> it = xrange(10)
>>>>> len(list(it))
>> 10
>>
>>>>> it = xrange(10)
>>>>> sum(1 for i in it)
>> 10
>>
>> Wai Yip
>>
>>
>>> I have an iterable, and I want to find out how long it is.  I don't
>>> care if it consumes the iterable.  Furthermore, I know the iterable is
>>> not infinite.  Consider:
>>>
>>>>>> len((i for i in xrange(10)))
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
>>> TypeError: object of type 'generator' has no len()
>>>
>>> It makes sense that len() not be defined, but I can't seem to find a
>>> simple count function.  Of course, I can write one, but it seems like
>>> it should exist in itertools or something.  (By the way, the count
>>> function in itertools is something completely different.)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -jj
>
> I can't do len(list(iter)) because I don't have enough RAM ;)  Guido
> and Wai Yip's idea was the most elegant.  It seems strange that this
> isn't in the standard library.

By the way, my rather boring solution was:

def iter_len(iter):
    """Return the length of the given iterator.

    len(iter) doesn't work in cases such as::

        len((i for i in xrange(10)))

    I can't find anything for this in the standard library.

    """
    count = 0
    for i in iter:
        count += 1
    return count


def test_iter_len():
    assert_equal(iter_len(xrange(5)), 5)


Gees, I'm so boring sometimes!

-jj

-- 
Lisp programmers know the value of everything, but the cost of nothing...
On my Lisp, '() costs 4 bytes.
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From hjtoi at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 22:51:40 2008
From: hjtoi at comcast.net (Heikki Toivonen)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:51:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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Alden Meneses wrote:
> This thread had me looking for a S60 phone for AT&T but no luck. Curious
> what carriers people have for their S60 phones and if they are using
> AT&T what they had to do to get it working.

I can see that they are selling at least the Nokia N75, which has S60:
http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N75. I have access to N71 but I don't
know when I'd be able to try Python on that.

> Also I was at LinuxWorld yesterday and stopped by OpenMoko booth and got
> to look at the Neo Freerunner. Not as sexy as the Nokia or Samsung
> phones and will also provide a debug board to allow you to tinker with
> the phone.

I stopped by the OpenMoko booth today. I wanted to see how Python works
on that device, but unfortunately the booth staff were not sure which
applications were written in Python although I did try something they
were pretty sure was written in Python and the performance was ok.

OpenMoko seems like a nice platform to develop Python applications for,
but getting the emulators etc. setup is quite a hassle.

-- 
  Heikki Toivonen

From annaraven at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 02:05:55 2008
From: annaraven at gmail.com (anna)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:05:55 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CaltrainPy
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Icaltrain wpuld be better if it was location aware.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 6, 2008, at 1:31 PM, "Brian Zambrano" <brianz at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can also use iCaltrain.....I use it on my iPhone and it works  
> like a charm:  http://icaltrain.com/blog/.
>
> Along the same lines, the coolest public transportation tracker IMO  
> is munitime.com.  It'll give you real-time arrival times of MUNI  
> busses and trains which are GPS-equiped.
>
> BZ
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org>  
> wrote:
> Neat! I'd be interested in a port to Python for the Nokia S60  
> platform.
>
>
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From javarobert at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  7 03:57:10 2008
From: javarobert at yahoo.com (Robert Schultheis)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:57:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python available on Nokia Devices since 2005
Message-ID: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi,

Some questions on the list about PyS60. 

Python for S60 is available for the latest and older Nokia S60 devices. N95-3 and N95 8GB are available unlocked for the US. 

Get PyS60 here:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=154155&package_id=171153

There are many PyS60 code samples available. Google PyS60 and see the Forum Nokia Wiki pages at: 

http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_applications

PyS60 Wiki main page:
http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/Python_for_S60

Cheers,
Robert
Forum Nokia


      

From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 04:08:02 2008
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:08:02 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python available on Nokia Devices since 2005
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References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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>From my the little bit I've been able to sit through earlier.

PyS60 is built on a Python 2.2 base.  You can run a bluetooth console
(like Screen on the Mac) to interact with your phone in real time.
There some some emulator options as well.   One imports specialized
packages for access to the S60 app etc.

Deploying on the phone is a bit tricky.  You need to sign the app to
access certain features.   If you want to deploy on more than some
enumerated number of phones, you join the developer program.  The line
of what is 'free and open source', 'free to make only GPL
applications', 'closed but gratis', and 'not free' is a bit blurry and
perhaps intentionally confusing.   There are various bundling options,
such as an equivalent of Py2exe, and these options each have their own
challenges (read bugs).

There is also a specialized version of C/C++ called Open C/C++.
Apprently, some features are only avaliable in Python and some are
only available in Open C/C++.

It's an odd world.

Charles

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Robert Schultheis <javarobert at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some questions on the list about PyS60.
>
> Python for S60 is available for the latest and older Nokia S60 devices. N95-3 and N95 8GB are available unlocked for the US.
>
> Get PyS60 here:
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfilers.php?group_id=154155&package_id=171153
>
> There are many PyS60 code samples available. Google PyS60 and see the Forum Nokia Wiki pages at:
>
> http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_applications
>
> PyS60 Wiki main page:
> http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/Python_for_S60
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
> Forum Nokia
>
>
>
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>

From drewp at bigasterisk.com  Thu Aug  7 04:29:46 2008
From: drewp at bigasterisk.com (Drew Perttula)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:29:46 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] len(iterable)
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808061335y54d36c74l4cba1b912df03943@mail.gmail.com>
References: <746252.47077.qm@web56415.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<c41f67b90808061334g99a451av35a5ac07a956807d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808061335y54d36c74l4cba1b912df03943@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <489A5E1A.8070904@bigasterisk.com>

Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> def test_iter_len():
>     assert_equal(iter_len(xrange(5)), 5)
> 
> 
> Gees, I'm so boring sometimes!
> 

BTW, did you ever notice that the result of xrange has a __len__ already?

len(xrange(5)) -> 5

Maybe your iter_len should try that first, in case the incoming object 
has thoughtfully provided a __len__ method.


From sfseth at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 22:28:13 2008
From: sfseth at gmail.com (Seth Friedman)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:28:13 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python available on Nokia Devices since 2005
In-Reply-To: <b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Thanks for all the info.   I'm thinking of a N96 when it's out and this
thread is helping me understand what the options are.

Just as a platform for personal development, I'm curious what the features
that will be limited if I don't get into the developer program or go through
signing my app.

For instance, one little app I was thinking of writing was to check the GPS
to see if the phone was at my home, and if I accepted a call at home, to
have the phone poke my SlimServer and if music was playing, to mute it for
the duration of the call.    I'm not sure if SlimServer has the capability
to handle that out of the box, but being open source I figure I can tackle
whatever's missing there.

Is the line about what features are locked for unsigned apps blurry, or is
there a list someplace?   Specifically I'm curious about: GPS, network, file
system, accelerometer, and camera.

~seth
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Charles Merriam
<charles.merriam at gmail.com>wrote:

> >From my the little bit I've been able to sit through earlier.
>
> PyS60 is built on a Python 2.2 base.  You can run a bluetooth console
> (like Screen on the Mac) to interact with your phone in real time.
> There some some emulator options as well.   One imports specialized
> packages for access to the S60 app etc.
>
> Deploying on the phone is a bit tricky.  You need to sign the app to
> access certain features.   If you want to deploy on more than some
> enumerated number of phones, you join the developer program.  The line
> of what is 'free and open source', 'free to make only GPL
> applications', 'closed but gratis', and 'not free' is a bit blurry and
> perhaps intentionally confusing.   There are various bundling options,
> such as an equivalent of Py2exe, and these options each have their own
> challenges (read bugs).
>
> There is also a specialized version of C/C++ called Open C/C++.
> Apprently, some features are only avaliable in Python and some are
> only available in Open C/C++.
>
> It's an odd world.
>
> Charles
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Robert Schultheis <javarobert at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some questions on the list about PyS60.
> >
> > Python for S60 is available for the latest and older Nokia S60 devices.
> N95-3 and N95 8GB are available unlocked for the US.
> >
> > Get PyS60 here:
> >
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfilers.php?group_id=154155&package_id=171153
> >
> > There are many PyS60 code samples available. Google PyS60 and see the
> Forum Nokia Wiki pages at:
> >
> > http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_applications
> >
> > PyS60 Wiki main page:
> > http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/Python_for_S60
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Robert
> > Forum Nokia
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 00:45:53 2008
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:45:53 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python available on Nokia Devices since 2005
In-Reply-To: <64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>

I remember the GPS being specifically locked to a 'higher' level.

I haven't found a cheat sheet; you need to look through http://forum.nokia.com.

Fundamentally, it seems like a developer program run on bailing wire
with too many paranoid lawyers.




On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Seth Friedman <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for all the info.   I'm thinking of a N96 when it's out and this
> thread is helping me understand what the options are.
>
> Just as a platform for personal development, I'm curious what the features
> that will be limited if I don't get into the developer program or go through
> signing my app.
>
> For instance, one little app I was thinking of writing was to check the GPS
> to see if the phone was at my home, and if I accepted a call at home, to
> have the phone poke my SlimServer and if music was playing, to mute it for
> the duration of the call.    I'm not sure if SlimServer has the capability
> to handle that out of the box, but being open source I figure I can tackle
> whatever's missing there.
>
> Is the line about what features are locked for unsigned apps blurry, or is
> there a list someplace?   Specifically I'm curious about: GPS, network, file
> system, accelerometer, and camera.
>
> ~seth
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Charles Merriam <charles.merriam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> >From my the little bit I've been able to sit through earlier.
>>
>> PyS60 is built on a Python 2.2 base.  You can run a bluetooth console
>> (like Screen on the Mac) to interact with your phone in real time.
>> There some some emulator options as well.   One imports specialized
>> packages for access to the S60 app etc.
>>
>> Deploying on the phone is a bit tricky.  You need to sign the app to
>> access certain features.   If you want to deploy on more than some
>> enumerated number of phones, you join the developer program.  The line
>> of what is 'free and open source', 'free to make only GPL
>> applications', 'closed but gratis', and 'not free' is a bit blurry and
>> perhaps intentionally confusing.   There are various bundling options,
>> such as an equivalent of Py2exe, and these options each have their own
>> challenges (read bugs).
>>
>> There is also a specialized version of C/C++ called Open C/C++.
>> Apprently, some features are only avaliable in Python and some are
>> only available in Open C/C++.
>>
>> It's an odd world.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Robert Schultheis <javarobert at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Some questions on the list about PyS60.
>> >
>> > Python for S60 is available for the latest and older Nokia S60 devices.
>> > N95-3 and N95 8GB are available unlocked for the US.
>> >
>> > Get PyS60 here:
>> >
>> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfilers.php?group_id=154155&package_id=171153
>> >
>> > There are many PyS60 code samples available. Google PyS60 and see the
>> > Forum Nokia Wiki pages at:
>> >
>> > http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60_applications
>> >
>> > PyS60 Wiki main page:
>> > http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/Python_for_S60
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Robert
>> > Forum Nokia
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>

From p at ulmcnett.com  Fri Aug  8 04:56:28 2008
From: p at ulmcnett.com (Paul McNett)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:56:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python on OpenMoko (was:Re: Python available on Nokia
 Devices since 2005)
In-Reply-To: <b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>	<64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <489BB5DC.2030007@ulmcnett.com>

What about OpenMoko? Anyone have experience with Python on that 
ostensibly more open platform? Any experience at all?

http://www.openmoko.com/

I'm in the market for a new phone. My wife wants an iPhone; I want 
something that I can hack to my heart's delight. But of course I want it 
to still work reliably.

So I was thinking of trying openmoko and getting the iPhone for my wife, 
and finding some sort of AT&T GSM family account that makes sense.

Paul

From hjtoi at comcast.net  Fri Aug  8 05:37:31 2008
From: hjtoi at comcast.net (Heikki Toivonen)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python on OpenMoko
In-Reply-To: <489BB5DC.2030007@ulmcnett.com>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>	<64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>	<b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
	<489BB5DC.2030007@ulmcnett.com>
Message-ID: <489BBF7B.8020809@comcast.net>

Paul McNett wrote:
> What about OpenMoko? Anyone have experience with Python on that
> ostensibly more open platform? Any experience at all?

I tested an OpenMoko device at LinuxWorld, with an app the staff at the
booth thought was written in Python, and the experience was pretty good
(a little slower than I would expect, but since I don't know how
responive OpenMoko is in general it is hard to compare). There was
nothing that I could see that would even tell what language was used to
implement the application.

> I'm in the market for a new phone. My wife wants an iPhone; I want
> something that I can hack to my heart's delight. But of course I want it
> to still work reliably.

OpenMoko is not yet usable/reliable enough for normal use.

-- 
  Heikki Toivonen

From kim.hawtin at adelaide.edu.au  Fri Aug  8 05:45:26 2008
From: kim.hawtin at adelaide.edu.au (Kim Hawtin)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:15:26 +0930
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python on OpenMoko
In-Reply-To: <489BB5DC.2030007@ulmcnett.com>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
	<489BB5DC.2030007@ulmcnett.com>
Message-ID: <489BC156.5080807@adelaide.edu.au>

Paul McNett wrote:
> What about OpenMoko? Anyone have experience with Python on that
> ostensibly more open platform? Any experience at all?
> 
> http://www.openmoko.com/
> 
> I'm in the market for a new phone. My wife wants an iPhone; I want
> something that I can hack to my heart's delight. But of course I want it
> to still work reliably.
> 
> So I was thinking of trying openmoko and getting the iPhone for my wife,
> and finding some sort of AT&T GSM family account that makes sense.

I had a look at one last weekend when a large batch arrived for the local
FOSS type geezers that ordered them...

yes python 2.5 and maybe 2.4 is installed, from memory.
gtk seems to be the default environment, IIRR, so pygtk type apps could make
sense to develop, and develop them on your desktop, as openmoko just runs X

cheers,

kim
-- 
Operating Systems, Services and Operations
Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide
kim.hawtin at adelaide.edu.au

From slander at unworkable.org  Fri Aug  8 18:38:43 2008
From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:38:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyGameSF meetup Tuesday August 12th 7pm @ Metreon San
	Francisco
Message-ID: <20080808163843.GA19552@unworkable.org>


Hi All,
just writing to say that this months PyGameSF meet up is on Tuesday
August 12th from 7pm at the Metreon food court in San Francisco. This
month's presentations are:

- Casey Duncan/Harry Tormey: Particle engines for fun and profit

About:py-lepton (http://code.google.com/p/py-lepton/) is a high-performance, 
pluggable particle engine and API for Python. The talk will be an overview of 
the engine which is written in python/c followed by a demo of an example 
game which uses it.

The main focus of this months meet up will be to discuss preparations
for the pyweek competition.

PyGame SF is an informal group meet up in San Francisco for Software
engineers interested in python, OpenGL, audio, pygame, SDL,
programming and generally anything to do with multimedia development.
The format of our meetings typically involve several people giving
presentations on projects they are developing followed by
group discussion and feedback. 
 
If anyone else would like to give a micro presentation, show demos or
just talk about what they are doing or generally give examples of  any
relevant software they are working on please feel free to head along.
 
To subscribe to the pygamesf mailing list simply email 
pygame-sf+subscribe at unworkable.org 

-- 
Harry Tormey

From jjinux at gmail.com  Sat Aug  9 09:51:07 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 00:51:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] len(iterable)
In-Reply-To: <489A5E1A.8070904@bigasterisk.com>
References: <746252.47077.qm@web56415.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<c41f67b90808061334g99a451av35a5ac07a956807d@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808061335y54d36c74l4cba1b912df03943@mail.gmail.com>
	<489A5E1A.8070904@bigasterisk.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808090051h54725d3dmd971762375486ebe@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Drew Perttula <drewp at bigasterisk.com> wrote:
> Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
>>
>> def test_iter_len():
>>    assert_equal(iter_len(xrange(5)), 5)
>>
>>
>> Gees, I'm so boring sometimes!
>>
>
> BTW, did you ever notice that the result of xrange has a __len__ already?
>
> len(xrange(5)) -> 5
>
> Maybe your iter_len should try that first, in case the incoming object has
> thoughtfully provided a __len__ method.

In this case, I know for certain that I'm trying to find out the
length of some stuff streaming from a generator.

-jj

-- 
Lisp programmers know the value of everything, but the cost of nothing...
On my Lisp, '() costs 4 bytes.
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From jjinux at gmail.com  Sat Aug  9 09:48:12 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 00:48:12 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python available on Nokia Devices since 2005
In-Reply-To: <b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808090048p4e4d04dcw22f1b7e240245602@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Charles Merriam
<charles.merriam at gmail.com> wrote:
> I remember the GPS being specifically locked to a 'higher' level.
>
> I haven't found a cheat sheet; you need to look through http://forum.nokia.com.
>
> Fundamentally, it seems like a developer program run on bailing wire
> with too many paranoid lawyers.

To be fair, the engineers themselves seemed smart, helpful, and
passionate about Python.  I think it's tough for Nokia to get too
excited about Python since they're really trying to sell the Symbian
C++ thing.

-jj

-- 
Lisp programmers know the value of everything, but the cost of nothing...
On my Lisp, '() costs 4 bytes.
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From guido at python.org  Sat Aug  9 18:18:52 2008
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 09:18:52 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python available on Nokia Devices since 2005
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808090048p4e4d04dcw22f1b7e240245602@mail.gmail.com>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808090048p4e4d04dcw22f1b7e240245602@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca471dc20808090918sc1d8240v5ee5d4705ef0e190@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Charles Merriam
> <charles.merriam at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I remember the GPS being specifically locked to a 'higher' level.
>>
>> I haven't found a cheat sheet; you need to look through http://forum.nokia.com.
>>
>> Fundamentally, it seems like a developer program run on bailing wire
>> with too many paranoid lawyers.
>
> To be fair, the engineers themselves seemed smart, helpful, and
> passionate about Python.  I think it's tough for Nokia to get too
> excited about Python since they're really trying to sell the Symbian
> C++ thing.

Having met with these people a few times, I would say there's definite
tension between Nokia as a company and the engineering group that
developed the Python release. I think we can support them by
contributing, promoting, and other community activities, without
paying too much attention to the rest of Nokia's developer programs.
Maybe it'll educate others inside Nokia about the value of open
source.

See also mobilenin.com...

--Guido

>
> -jj
>
> --
> Lisp programmers know the value of everything, but the cost of nothing...
> On my Lisp, '() costs 4 bytes.
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

From annaraven at gmail.com  Sun Aug 10 00:01:50 2008
From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 15:01:50 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python available on Nokia Devices since 2005
In-Reply-To: <ca471dc20808090918sc1d8240v5ee5d4705ef0e190@mail.gmail.com>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808090048p4e4d04dcw22f1b7e240245602@mail.gmail.com>
	<ca471dc20808090918sc1d8240v5ee5d4705ef0e190@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cb361a610808091501r41d03a93odbb4b24346874f7b@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Charles Merriam
> > <charles.merriam at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I remember the GPS being specifically locked to a 'higher' level.
> >>
> >> I haven't found a cheat sheet; you need to look through
> http://forum.nokia.com.
> >>
> >> Fundamentally, it seems like a developer program run on bailing wire
> >> with too many paranoid lawyers.
> >
> > To be fair, the engineers themselves seemed smart, helpful, and
> > passionate about Python.  I think it's tough for Nokia to get too
> > excited about Python since they're really trying to sell the Symbian
> > C++ thing.
>
> Having met with these people a few times, I would say there's definite
> tension between Nokia as a company and the engineering group that
> developed the Python release. I think we can support them by
> contributing, promoting, and other community activities, without
> paying too much attention to the rest of Nokia's developer programs.
> Maybe it'll educate others inside Nokia about the value of open
> source.
>
> See also mobilenin.com...


Yes - the Python folks at Nokia are very nice and helpful people.


-- 
cordially,
Anna
--
Walking through the water. Trying to get across.
Just like everybody else.
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sun Aug 10 02:29:48 2008
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:29:48 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Free three month PDF subscription to Python
	Magazine
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I have 18 email addresses ready to be submitted to Python Magazine for  
the free subscription. You should have just received a private email  
from me if you're on the list (you may need to check your SPAM/Junk  
mail folder).

I will be submitting these names this weekend. So, speak now or  
forever hold your peace -- hmmm I've heard those famous last words  
somewhere.. now where was that? ;)

Cheers,


Glen
--
glen at glenjarvis.com
http://www.glenjarvis.com

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi


On Jul 29, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote:

> I'm forwarding Doug's email regarding how to take advantage of the  
> BayPIGgies free three month subscription. My only concern is, since  
> BayPIGgies is an archived and public list, this may be a bit more  
> public than Doug wants (please see below). If we have the option of  
> not archiving this message, that would be great. Otherwise, I'll  
> have to be gatekeeper to those who see this and who aren't members  
> of BayPIGgies (although I'm actually way too busy for such things  
> and would rather not).
>
> In general:
> 1) Go to http://www.pythonmagazine.com/
> 2) Sign up (free) with your email address (this does not get you the  
> subscription),
> 3) Send me the email address you used to sign up
> 4) I will forward all of the email addresses to Doug. He will  
> activate the free PDF subscription from the list I send him.
>
>
> For details, please read below my signature.
>
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
>
> Glen Jarvis
> --
> 415-680-3964
> glen at glenjarvis.com
> http://www.glenjarvis.com
>
> "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi
>
>
> On Jul 29, 2008, at 4:37 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
>
>> Hi, Glen,
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>>
>>> Doug,
>>> I believe we spoke a few times about articles in Python magazine.  
>>> I'm writing today
>>
>> Yes, I finally have the draft of that AppEngine article.  Let me  
>> get back to you about the direction the author is taking.
>>
>>> regarding a special promotion for the BayPIGgies listserv group. I  
>>> personally would like to purchase a paper subscription to the  
>>> magazine. However, I am a member of BayPIGgies
>>
>> Excellent!
>>
>>> and have heard several other members who were very interested in  
>>> the offer previously mentioned (three month free PDF subscription  
>>> to the magazine). If we can work out the details of this  
>>> agreement, I'd like to order the magazine but make certain members  
>>> of BayPIGgies can also get the three month PDF subscription.
>>
>> To take advantage of the offer, each member of the group should go  
>> to our web site (http://www.pythonmagazine.com) and set up an  
>> account (that's already free).  When they register, the site will  
>> ask them for an email address to identify the account.  If a single  
>> member of the group (you or someone you nominate) sends me a list  
>> of all the email addresses used (no names, just email addresses),  
>> I'll make sure we enable the subscriptions.
>>
>> You can announce the offer at your next meeting, or right away if  
>> your group has a private communication channel like a mailing list  
>> (i.e., please don't post the offer on your blog).
>>
>> I've received a few requests for details, so I'll refer them to you  
>> as my point of contact.  Give the group a couple of weeks to sign  
>> up, and then send me the list of addresses.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>> --
>> Doug Hellmann
>> Editor in Chief
>> Python Magazine
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies


From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 19:45:07 2008
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:45:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python on OpenMoko
In-Reply-To: <489BC156.5080807@adelaide.edu.au>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
	<489BB5DC.2030007@ulmcnett.com> <489BC156.5080807@adelaide.edu.au>
Message-ID: <b8c6f6c40808111045uacdc6a3u820ef6999de5bfb5@mail.gmail.com>

It seems like a lot of folks are wanting to touch/play with these
devices.  Would people be up for a 'scripting night'?

This could either be a regular BayPiggies event, or I could host a
kid-friendly event at the Santa Clara Round-table Pizza.  It's a low
key pizza joint with a play space for kids, wi-fi, and free meeting
rooms.

I would envision some OLPC XOs to hack Python on, a Nokia S60 or two,
an OpenMoko, and Python on the myrid little devices people have
hacked.

What's the interest level 1-10?  For a scripting/beer thing 1-10?

Charles


On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Kim Hawtin <kim.hawtin at adelaide.edu.au> wrote:
> Paul McNett wrote:
>> What about OpenMoko? Anyone have experience with Python on that
>> ostensibly more open platform? Any experience at all?
>>
>> http://www.openmoko.com/
>>
>> I'm in the market for a new phone. My wife wants an iPhone; I want
>> something that I can hack to my heart's delight. But of course I want it
>> to still work reliably.
>>
>> So I was thinking of trying openmoko and getting the iPhone for my wife,
>> and finding some sort of AT&T GSM family account that makes sense.
>
> I had a look at one last weekend when a large batch arrived for the local
> FOSS type geezers that ordered them...
>
> yes python 2.5 and maybe 2.4 is installed, from memory.
> gtk seems to be the default environment, IIRR, so pygtk type apps could make
> sense to develop, and develop them on your desktop, as openmoko just runs X
>
> cheers,
>
> kim
> --
> Operating Systems, Services and Operations
> Information Technology Services, The University of Adelaide
> kim.hawtin at adelaide.edu.au
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From afife at untangle.com  Mon Aug 11 19:49:15 2008
From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:49:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Chris Dibona @ BALUG (8/19)
Message-ID: <019d01c8fbda$97d3edb0$c77bc910$@com>

Hi Folks:

Chris Dibona will be speaking at BALUG next Tuesday (8/19).  Chris DiBona
is the open source programs manager at Mountain View, Ca. based Google,
where his team oversees license compliance, promotes developer outreach,
supports the open source community through programs such as the Google
Summer of Code and oversees OSS releases on Google Code. (full bio below)

So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP: 
  
  RSVP at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they ensure that we're able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.  

Meeting Details...

  6:30pm
  August 19th, 2008 (Next Tuesday) 
 
  Four Seas Restaurant
  731 Grant Ave.
  San Francisco, CA 94108
  Easy $5 PARKING:  Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny 

Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13

Chris Dibona's full bio:

Chris DiBona is the open source programs manager at Mountain View, Ca.
based Google, where his team oversees license compliance, promotes
developer outreach, supports the open source community through    programs
such as the Google Summer of Code and oversees OSS releases on Google
Code.

Mr. DiBona is an internationally known advocate of open source software
and related methodologies. He occasionally appears on the This Week in
Tech and Cranky Geeks podcasts. He is a visiting scholar at the MIT Sloan
School of Management and has a masters in software engineering from
Carnegie Mellon University. Additionally, he serves on the advisory board
of imeem, a San Francisco, Ca. based social networking firm.

Before joining Google, Mr. DiBona was an editor and author for the website
Slashdot.org . Additionally, he coedited the award-winning essay
compilations "Open Sources" and "Open Sources 2.0" and writes for several
publications. He was the host of Floss Weekly with Leo Laporte and made a
number of appearances on TechTV's "The Screensavers"

His personal blog can be found at
http://dibona.com and he can be reached via email via  chris at dibona.com

--
Andrew Fife
Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway
www.untangle.com/download

650.425.3327 desk
415.806.6028 cell 

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From eric at ericwalstad.com  Mon Aug 11 21:16:25 2008
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:16:25 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Meeting Registration page changes
Message-ID: <c436fcd20808111216v33397d00k638304cae6f916d3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I just made a large change to the registration page[0] and wanted to
raise a red flag about it just in case my change was in error...

I went to register for the upcoming meeting and saw that the
registration page still said it was for the July meeting.  Looking at
the diffs[1] for that page I saw what appeared to be only a couple
registration additions that were made after last month's meeting.  So,
I changed[2] the meeting date to match this month's meeting and sliced
the list of registrants down to those that have registered after last
month's meeting.

Eric Walstad.
[0] http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings
[2] http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings?action=diff&rev2=1229&rev1=1225
[2] http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings?action=diff&rev2=1230&rev1=1225

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 21:48:19 2008
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:48:19 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] ACCU: Software development with Nokia's Maemo platform
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808111248l7af7db98wd53d5d07381ac6fc@mail.gmail.com>

With all the talk about the Nokia platforms, I thought this would be
interesting to some.



When: Wednesday, August 13, 2008
Topic: Software development with Nokia's Maemo platform
Speaker: Tapio Tolvanen
Time: 6:30pm doors open
7:00pm meeting begins
Where: Symantec
VCAFE building
350 Ellis Street (near E. Middlefield Road)
Mountain View, CA 94043
Map: <http://tinyurl.com/334rv5>
Directions: VCAFE is accessible from the semicircular courtyard
between Symantec buildings <http://tinyurl.com/2dccgc>
Cost: Free
More Info: <http://www.accu-usa.org>

In this talk you will learn the essentials of developing software with
Maemo platform. You will be introduced to Maemo platform in technical
terms and you will get to look into the development environment from
different viewpoints. In addition to that you will learn how to use
the platform components and how to deploy your work when it is
polished.

Tapio Tolvanen is currently a Technology Manager for Linux Computers
in Nokia. He has also been defining architectures and guiding the
development of several applications creating engaging and compelling
Internet Experience on Nokia's Linux platform - Maemo. Prior to this,
Tapio has been developing several applications and products on Nokia's
platforms, including Series 40, S60 and Maemo in Europe, Asia and the
U.S.A.



----

The ACCU meets monthly. Meetings are always open to the public and are
free of charge. To suggest topics and speakers please email Walter
Vannini via walterv at gbbservices.com

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Aug 11 20:06:49 2008
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:06:49 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGies Free 3 month PDF subscription
In-Reply-To: <0CABA2E4-EB4E-4CB2-A0F3-D98B06B28403@pythonmagazine.com>
References: <C6ADD5BE-E22E-4F4B-8965-841C18FC95B5@pythonmagazine.com>
	<6BBC63C4-A379-469A-A894-F6DF5C122829@glenjarvis.com>
	<0CABA2E4-EB4E-4CB2-A0F3-D98B06B28403@pythonmagazine.com>
Message-ID: <8537DE20-BCE8-4695-B875-AFBD64358B75@glenjarvis.com>

Please see Doug's email below. Also, I have officially stopped taking  
requests for this now.

Glen

On Aug 11, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:

> I've sent these over to the person who activates the accounts.  It  
> may take a few days, but each person will receive an email when the  
> subscriptions are activated.
>
> Doug
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
>> Doug,
>>   ...Here is the list of BayPIGgies email addresses (as they  
>> registered on the Python Magazine site) that would like a free 3- 
>> month PDF subscription. ...

From jim at well.com  Mon Aug 11 23:27:51 2008
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:27:51 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGies Free 3 month PDF subscription
In-Reply-To: <8537DE20-BCE8-4695-B875-AFBD64358B75@glenjarvis.com>
References: <C6ADD5BE-E22E-4F4B-8965-841C18FC95B5@pythonmagazine.com>
	<6BBC63C4-A379-469A-A894-F6DF5C122829@glenjarvis.com>
	<0CABA2E4-EB4E-4CB2-A0F3-D98B06B28403@pythonmagazine.com>
	<8537DE20-BCE8-4695-B875-AFBD64358B75@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <1218490071.10905.1044.camel@ubuntu>


thank you, glen.

On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 11:06 -0700, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> Please see Doug's email below. Also, I have officially stopped taking  
> requests for this now.
> 
> Glen
> 
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
> 
> > I've sent these over to the person who activates the accounts.  It  
> > may take a few days, but each person will receive an email when the  
> > subscriptions are activated.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > On Aug 11, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> >
> >> Doug,
> >>   ...Here is the list of BayPIGgies email addresses (as they  
> >> registered on the Python Magazine site) that would like a free 3- 
> >> month PDF subscription. ...
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> 


From mrbmahoney at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 15:31:55 2008
From: mrbmahoney at gmail.com (Brian Mahoney)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:31:55 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Dinner Announcement - Thursday, August 14, 6 pm
Message-ID: <5538c19b0808120631g22e87bfege39e7ce5664ad74f@mail.gmail.com>

For Thursday, August 14, I can coordinate a pre-meeting
 dinner in Mountain View, before the BayPIGgies meeting
 at Google .

 Restaurant reservations may be sent to my email until
 Thursday afternoon (earlier is better). We eat family-style,
 there are vegetarian and non-vegetarian dishes.  Cost around
 $10 per person, including tax and tip. Bring cash, please.

 Start dinner at 6pm and I will keep things moving so that we
 finish and get everyone headed towards Google to
 complete sign-in before the 7:30 meeting start.

 The restaurant is Cafe Yulong in downtown Mountain View
 (650) 960-1677
 743 W Dana Street, 1/2 block from Castro where
 Books, Inc is on the corner.
 Parking lots all around, but downtown Mountain View
 parking can be difficult.

 It is a slightly out of the ordinary Chinese
 restaurant.  This link has a downtown map and
 additional information.
 http://www.mountainviewca.net/restaurants/cafeyulong.html

 I've made reservations under "Python" for 6pm
 Thursday.

 If you wish to join us for dinner please e-mail me
 by 3 pm Thursday (earlier is better) so I may confirm
 the headcount.
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From jim at well.com  Tue Aug 12 16:18:01 2008
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:18:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] [Fwd: [sf-lug] Think Python...]
Message-ID: <1218550681.10905.1103.camel@ubuntu>


as seen on the sf-lug mailing list 

per the link below: 
This book is a substantially revised version of 
How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning with Python.

----------------------------------


Think Python
An Introduction to Software Design

Think Python is a free textbook available under the GNU Free
Documentation License. Readers are free to copy and distribute 
the text;they are also free to modify it, which allows them 
to adapt the book todifferent needs, and to help develop new 
material.

http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/

Thanks to Jason Stone for the tip.

cheers,
Sameer



From asheesh at asheesh.org  Tue Aug 12 18:43:58 2008
From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:43:58 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python on OpenMoko
In-Reply-To: <b8c6f6c40808111045uacdc6a3u820ef6999de5bfb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
	<489BB5DC.2030007@ulmcnett.com> <489BC156.5080807@adelaide.edu.au>
	<b8c6f6c40808111045uacdc6a3u820ef6999de5bfb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0808121340460.24623@alchemy.localdomain>

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Charles Merriam wrote:

> It seems like a lot of folks are wanting to touch/play with these
> devices.  Would people be up for a 'scripting night'?
>
> This could either be a regular BayPiggies event, or I could host a
> kid-friendly event at the Santa Clara Round-table Pizza.  It's a low
> key pizza joint with a play space for kids, wi-fi, and free meeting
> rooms.

I'd like this.  I'd like to say public transit accessibility (plus bike if 
necessary) (or carpool-ability in case that doesn't work) is a major 
factor for my attendance.  Google HQ is okay for public transit + bike, 
and also has lots of carpooling by people on this list.

That's my two cents.  Hopefully this event happens, and in a way that can 
get the most people (hopefully including myself) there!

> What's the interest level 1-10?  For a scripting/beer thing 1-10?

I'd say 7 to both, so long as the latter is easy enough to get to.

For OM though, it might make more sense to give an overview of the 
current state of the platform.  To that end, Michael Shiloh might want to 
present at a BayPiggies meeting....

-- Asheesh.

-- 
Linus?  Whose that?
 		-- clueless newbie on #Linux

From guido at python.org  Tue Aug 12 20:10:00 2008
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:10:00 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Please help answering these 10 FAQs about Python
Message-ID: <ca471dc20808121110g3be0cc59u1fd83219b40812b6@mail.gmail.com>

There's an effort under way to answer a list of 10 questions that were
chosen somewhat arbitrarily as representing what everyone wants to
know about Python. Please help!

http://wiki.python.org/moin/Ten_things_people_want_to_know_about_Python

-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

From slander at unworkable.org  Tue Aug 12 22:51:31 2008
From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:51:31 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reminder: PyGameSF meetup Tonight 7pm @ Metreon San
	Francisco
Message-ID: <20080812205131.GB4766@unworkable.org>

Hi All,
just writing to say that this months PyGameSF meet up is on Tonight
August 12th from 7pm at the Metreon food court in San Francisco. This
month's presentations are:

- Casey Duncan/Harry Tormey: Particle engines for fun and profit

About: A high-performance, pluggable particle engine and API for
Python. The talk will be an overview of the engine which is written in
python/c and then an example game which uses it.

The main focus of this months meet up will be to discuss preparations
for the pyweek competition.


-- 
Harry Tormey

From lhawthorn at google.com  Wed Aug 13 00:54:40 2008
From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Meeting Registration page changes
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd20808111216v33397d00k638304cae6f916d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c436fcd20808111216v33397d00k638304cae6f916d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4869cee70808121554l5d2ca1eao6fb406b1b9b13a78@mail.gmail.com>

That's awesome - thanks for your help Eric. :)

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just made a large change to the registration page[0] and wanted to
> raise a red flag about it just in case my change was in error...
>
> I went to register for the upcoming meeting and saw that the
> registration page still said it was for the July meeting.  Looking at
> the diffs[1] for that page I saw what appeared to be only a couple
> registration additions that were made after last month's meeting.  So,
> I changed[2] the meeting date to match this month's meeting and sliced
> the list of registrants down to those that have registered after last
> month's meeting.
>
> Eric Walstad.
> [0] http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings
> [2]
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings?action=diff&rev2=1229&rev1=1225
> [2]
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings?action=diff&rev2=1230&rev1=1225
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>



-- 
Leslie Hawthorn
Program Manager - Open Source
Google Inc.

http://code.google.com/opensource/

I blog here:

http://google-opensource.blogspot.com - http://www.hawthornlandings.org
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From jim at well.com  Wed Aug 13 02:14:18 2008
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:14:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday August 14,
	2008: Scons by Steven Knight
Message-ID: <1218586458.10905.1150.camel@ubuntu>



BayPIGgies meeting Thursday August 14, 2008: 
Scons 
by Steven Knight 

SCons is a next-generation software build tool (that is, a replacement
for Make) written in Python, with build configuration written as a
Python API.  Since the SCons Project was founded in 2001, it's grown
into a successful project with about 7000 downloads / month and an
especially strong following among software developers and build
engineers working on large-scale, enterprise-quality software projects,
including production use at VMware, Intel, Oracle, id Software, and
Google.

This talk will give a summary of the history and growth of the SCons
project and an overview of SCons configuration.  It will also discuss
some of the more interesting aspects of SCons as a Python-based project,
including why (and how) SCons still runs on Python 1.5.2, its rather
distinctive approach to stringent software testing, and some of its
ad-hoc solutions to the problem of trying to ship a stand-alone
application that happens to be written in Python (as opposed to the
distutils-installed-module model of most Python software).  The talk
will also include some frank discussion of SCons' limitations and
problem areas, and what you (yes, you!) can do to help.

About the speaker:

Steven Knight has been a software engineer, executive, and would-be
entrepreneur for more than 25 years at companies such as Cray Research,
The MathWorks, and more networking-related startups than he can
unashamedly admit.  He founded the SCons Project in 2001 after its
design won the Software Carpentry build tool competition the previous
year.  He recently transplanted to the Bay Area to work on software
build issues for Google.


The meeting starts with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion of 
an essential Python feature, specially for those new to Python. 

Tonight's Newbie Nugget is... 
The Google App Engine:  Magic Cars versus Taxis

A look at what the Google App Engine delivers and how it fits into the
ecosystem; getting up and running; the process of writing an
application, GQL code; and some analogies, presented by Charles
Merriam. 


Location: Google Campus 
Building 40, the Seville room 
(check in at the lobby in bldg 43)


bayPIGgies meeting information: 
http://baypiggies.net/new/plone

* Please sign up in advance to have your google access badge ready: 
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings
(no later than close of business on Wednesday.) 


Agenda

..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, 
any first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:45 PM ................
Newbie Nugget Google App Engine 
by Charles Merriam 
 

..... 7:45 PM to 8:45 PM ................
Scons 
by Steven Knight 


..... 8:45 PM to 9:00 PM -- After The Talk ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics 
the announcers are interested in. 

Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up 
individually on the announcements and other topics of 
interest.


..... Thursday, September 11 ................
7:30 PM BayPIGgies Tim Thompson on 
Bay Area Computer Music Technology presentation on 
Finger Painting with Planets 



From l at lucasvo.com  Wed Aug 13 14:08:34 2008
From: l at lucasvo.com (Lucas Vogelsang)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:08:34 +0200
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a Ride to DjangoCon
Message-ID: <48A2CEC2.6010004@lucasvo.com>

Hi,

A friend and me are moving from Switzerland to San Francisco in 3 weeks
and one of the fist things we'll do is to attend DjangoCon. Because we
only arrive on Sep. 4, we won't have a car at this point to go the
Google Plex. Is there anyone attending DjangoCon who could give either
both of us or one of us a ride?

cheers,
Lucas

From jbarcelona at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 20:31:58 2008
From: jbarcelona at gmail.com (Jim Barcelona)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:31:58 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] looking for speakers for the august 19th python meetup
	at loomia.com in San Francisco
Message-ID: <e0b5cb320808131131y3597b260k5f78b29e25e0080a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Folks,

Is there anybody on this list interested in giving a talk on a python
project they're working on at loomia.com in San Francisco for the next
Python meetup?

At the last meetup, we went over the basics of getting Python installed on a
computer, and doing some really super basic code, but now that the audience
has shifted over to more advanced coders, we'd definitely love to hear about
some cool projects.

There will be free pizza and booze.

Details are here:

http://python.meetup.com/189/

Cheers,
Barce

Please let me know if ya want to
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 23:23:07 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:23:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies]  Input in hex format
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808141423y57e0e28v968947e1342733b@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,

One very simple question please.

I want to assign hex value to one of my class field.

Can someone please tell me how can give hex and binary input to one of my
class field?

By default, it is taking in decimal and that is expected. After all code
should be for human not for machines.

thanks,
david
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From cvrebert at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 23:30:59 2008
From: cvrebert at gmail.com (Chris Rebert)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:30:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Input in hex format
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808141423y57e0e28v968947e1342733b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808141423y57e0e28v968947e1342733b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47c890dc0808141430p112f142dnc418ea4d15b0e5d3@mail.gmail.com>

hex_num = int(raw_input("prompt here"), 16) #allows optional leading 0X or 0x
binary_num = int(raw_input("prompt here"),2)

Or generally:
num = int("number as string", base)

- Chris

========
Follow the path of the Iguana...
Rebertia: http://rebertia.com
Blog: http://blog.rebertia.com


On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 2:23 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
>
> One very simple question please.
>
> I want to assign hex value to one of my class field.
>
> Can someone please tell me how can give hex and binary input to one of my
> class field?
>
> By default, it is taking in decimal and that is expected. After all code
> should be for human not for machines.
>
> thanks,
> david
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 00:45:17 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:45:17 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Input in hex format
In-Reply-To: <47c890dc0808141430p112f142dnc418ea4d15b0e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808141423y57e0e28v968947e1342733b@mail.gmail.com>
	<47c890dc0808141430p112f142dnc418ea4d15b0e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808141545k7a6c09f3yf1962c176dd86846@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Chris.

I tried following:
#reg_offset = int(raw_input("enter offset",16))
reg_offset = int("enter offset",16)
print reg_offset

and got the following error with "raw input" option:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "testclass.py", line 33, in <module>
    reg_offset = int(raw_input("enter offset",16))
TypeError: [raw_]input expected at most 1 arguments, got 2
Without raw input, I got following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "testclass.py", line 34, in <module>
    reg_offset = int("enter offset",16)
ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 16: 'enter offset'


I want to use it in a class like following:

class Reg:
        def __init__(self, name, offset, val):
                self.name = name
                self.offset = offset
                self.val = val


*reg1 = Reg("Address Register", 0, 50000000)*
**
*Here the offset and val fields are in HEX which I want to pass them to my
class REG.*

print 'reg name = %s'%reg1.name
print 'reg offset =%x'%reg1.offset
print 'reg reset val =%d'%reg1.val

Thanks,
David
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Chris Rebert <cvrebert at gmail.com> wrote:

> hex_num = int(raw_input("prompt here"), 16) #allows optional leading 0X or
> 0x
> binary_num = int(raw_input("prompt here"),2)
>
> Or generally:
> num = int("number as string", base)
>
> - Chris
>
> ========
> Follow the path of the Iguana...
> Rebertia: http://rebertia.com
> Blog: http://blog.rebertia.com
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 2:23 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > One very simple question please.
> >
> > I want to assign hex value to one of my class field.
> >
> > Can someone please tell me how can give hex and binary input to one of my
> > class field?
> >
> > By default, it is taking in decimal and that is expected. After all code
> > should be for human not for machines.
> >
> > thanks,
> > david
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
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From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 15 01:26:26 2008
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:26:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Input in hex format
In-Reply-To: <47c890dc0808141430p112f142dnc418ea4d15b0e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808141423y57e0e28v968947e1342733b@mail.gmail.com>
	<47c890dc0808141430p112f142dnc418ea4d15b0e5d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W49902A6D0A15A406E47917A0720@phx.gbl>


David,
 
I did this a while back, it's not as trivial as it looks.
Two subtle points:
 
a) In general the result could be 64bits or greater (although your case is probably 32b).
int(...,16) may sometimes return the full 64b result, but is better to explicitly
write long(...,16).
(And for anyone wanting to convert hex values >64b, I am not aware of any automatic way other than first chunking the result into 16-hex-digit subsequences (and see the next point), and returning say a tuple-of-longs).
 
b) I was parsing Verilog syntax which also allows optional underscores inside hex numbers,
usually by convention placed every four or eight hex characters from the RHS for human readability, e.g. "0xa_bcde_1234"
For things like that you must first make a regex or string substitution (re.sub
or the deprecated string.replace or string.translate)
For constants >64b long, must do padding-character removal (b) before chunking it to do conversion (a).
 
Best,
Stephen
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From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 15 01:28:05 2008
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:28:05 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Input in hex format
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808141545k7a6c09f3yf1962c176dd86846@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808141423y57e0e28v968947e1342733b@mail.gmail.com>
	<47c890dc0808141430p112f142dnc418ea4d15b0e5d3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<b46e7b140808141545k7a6c09f3yf1962c176dd86846@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W138D29CB73AA5F6995D5D1A0720@phx.gbl>


 
The 16 is the second arg of (int,..16),
not the second arg of raw_input("prompt here")
 


Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:45:17 -0700From: elsen.david08 at gmail.comTo: cvrebert at gmail.comCC: baypiggies at python.orgSubject: Re: [Baypiggies] Input in hex format

Thanks Chris.
 
I tried following:
#reg_offset = int(raw_input("enter offset",16))reg_offset = int("enter offset",16)print reg_offset
 
and got the following error with "raw input" option:
Traceback (most recent call last):  File "testclass.py", line 33, in <module>    reg_offset = int(raw_input("enter offset",16))TypeError: [raw_]input expected at most 1 arguments, got 2
Without raw input, I got following error:
 
Traceback (most recent call last):  File "testclass.py", line 34, in <module>    reg_offset = int("enter offset",16)ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 16: 'enter offset'
 
 
I want to use it in a class like following:
class Reg:        def __init__(self, name, offset, val):                self.name = name                self.offset = offset                self.val = val
 
reg1 = Reg("Address Register", 0, 50000000)
 
Here the offset and val fields are in HEX which I want to pass them to my class REG.
 
print 'reg name = %s'%reg1.nameprint 'reg offset =%x'%reg1.offsetprint 'reg reset val =%d'%reg1.val
 
Thanks,
David
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Chris Rebert <cvrebert at gmail.com> wrote:
hex_num = int(raw_input("prompt here"), 16) #allows optional leading 0X or 0xbinary_num = int(raw_input("prompt here"),2)Or generally:num = int("number as string", base)- Chris========Follow the path of the Iguana...Rebertia: http://rebertia.comBlog: http://blog.rebertia.com


On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 2:23 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:>> Greetings all,>> One very simple question please.>> I want to assign hex value to one of my class field.>> Can someone please tell me how can give hex and binary input to one of my> class field?>> By default, it is taking in decimal and that is expected. After all code> should be for human not for machines.>> thanks,> david> _______________________________________________> Baypiggies mailing list> Baypiggies at python.org> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies>
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 01:46:05 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:46:05 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Input in hex format
In-Reply-To: <74e7428a0808141625t30b19c09w5f292ccd849abb4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808141423y57e0e28v968947e1342733b@mail.gmail.com>
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thanks for the help. It works.

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Andy Wiggin <andywiggin at gmail.com> wrote:

> No problem. I replied off-list accidentally. Maybe you could let them
> know you've got your answer. -Andy
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Yes, that works. Ton of Thanks for your help.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Andy Wiggin <andywiggin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think maybe you just need to use a hex-format literal. E.g.:
> >>
> >> reg1 = Reg("Address Register", 0, 0x50000000)
> >>
> >> -Andy
> >
> >
>
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 01:50:15 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:50:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Input in hex format
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W49902A6D0A15A406E47917A0720@phx.gbl>
References: <b46e7b140808141423y57e0e28v968947e1342733b@mail.gmail.com>
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Stephen,

I also want to parse the verilog syntax. I will work on your suggestion.
For now, Chris suggestion got me going. I can pass the hex input just with
0x..... to my class.

Thanks a lot for suggestion.
David

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Stephen McInerney
<spmcinerney at hotmail.com>wrote:

> David,
>
> I did this a while back, it's not as trivial as it looks.
> Two subtle points:
>
> a) In general the result could be 64bits or greater (although your case is
> probably 32b).
> int(...,16) may sometimes return the full 64b result, but is better to
> explicitly
> write long(...,16).
> (And for anyone wanting to convert hex values >64b, I am not aware of any
> automatic way other than first chunking the result into 16-hex-digit
> subsequences (and see the next point), and returning say a tuple-of-longs).
>
> b) I was parsing Verilog syntax which also allows optional underscores
> inside hex numbers,
> usually by convention placed every four or eight hex characters from
> the RHS for human readability, e.g. "0xa_bcde_1234"
> For things like that you must first make a regex or string substitution
> (re.sub
> or the deprecated string.replace or string.translate)
> For constants >64b long, must do padding-character removal (b) before
> chunking it to do conversion (a).
>
> Best,
> Stephen
>
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From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 12:51:49 2008
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:51:49 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Google App Engine - 7 minute talk
Message-ID: <b8c6f6c40808150351l48950f60r9b9f721ee91decdb@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the write-up of my 7-minute talk on the Google Application Engine.

http://www.charlesmerriam.com/blog/?p=155

From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 14:07:01 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:07:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python on OpenMoko
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References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Asheesh Laroia <asheesh at asheesh.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Charles Merriam wrote:
>
>> It seems like a lot of folks are wanting to touch/play with these
>> devices.  Would people be up for a 'scripting night'?
>>
>> This could either be a regular BayPiggies event, or I could host a
>> kid-friendly event at the Santa Clara Round-table Pizza.  It's a low
>> key pizza joint with a play space for kids, wi-fi, and free meeting
>> rooms.
>
> I'd like this.  I'd like to say public transit accessibility (plus bike if
> necessary) (or carpool-ability in case that doesn't work) is a major factor
> for my attendance.  Google HQ is okay for public transit + bike, and also
> has lots of carpooling by people on this list.
>
> That's my two cents.  Hopefully this event happens, and in a way that can
> get the most people (hopefully including myself) there!
>
>> What's the interest level 1-10?  For a scripting/beer thing 1-10?
>
> I'd say 7 to both, so long as the latter is easy enough to get to.
>
> For OM though, it might make more sense to give an overview of the current
> state of the platform.  To that end, Michael Shiloh might want to present at
> a BayPiggies meeting....
>
> -- Asheesh.
>
> --
> Linus?  Whose that?
>                -- clueless newbie on #Linux

Why don't we ask the Nokia guys to come give a talk at BayPiggies?
They gave a talk at SDForum a few years back.

Best Regards,
-jj

-- 
Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From guido at python.org  Fri Aug 15 20:03:37 2008
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:03:37 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Google App Engine - 7 minute talk
In-Reply-To: <b8c6f6c40808150351l48950f60r9b9f721ee91decdb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8c6f6c40808150351l48950f60r9b9f721ee91decdb@mail.gmail.com>
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Neat write-up!

One tiny correction: App Engine's datastore has nothing to do with
Google Base. The underlying datastore is called Bigtable (and if you
Google for it you'll find several good papers about it).

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:51 AM, Charles Merriam
<charles.merriam at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's the write-up of my 7-minute talk on the Google Application Engine.
>
> http://www.charlesmerriam.com/blog/?p=155

-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

From charles.merriam at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 21:23:41 2008
From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:23:41 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python on OpenMoko
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Great  point!

In a perfect world, we could get OpenMoko, Nokia, and Andriod to talk.
  It may be easier to get three "20 minute talk" commitments than one
long one.

Charles


On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Asheesh Laroia <asheesh at asheesh.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Charles Merriam wrote:
>>
>>> It seems like a lot of folks are wanting to touch/play with these
>>> devices.  Would people be up for a 'scripting night'?
>>>
>>> This could either be a regular BayPiggies event, or I could host a
>>> kid-friendly event at the Santa Clara Round-table Pizza.  It's a low
>>> key pizza joint with a play space for kids, wi-fi, and free meeting
>>> rooms.
>>
>> I'd like this.  I'd like to say public transit accessibility (plus bike if
>> necessary) (or carpool-ability in case that doesn't work) is a major factor
>> for my attendance.  Google HQ is okay for public transit + bike, and also
>> has lots of carpooling by people on this list.
>>
>> That's my two cents.  Hopefully this event happens, and in a way that can
>> get the most people (hopefully including myself) there!
>>
>>> What's the interest level 1-10?  For a scripting/beer thing 1-10?
>>
>> I'd say 7 to both, so long as the latter is easy enough to get to.
>>
>> For OM though, it might make more sense to give an overview of the current
>> state of the platform.  To that end, Michael Shiloh might want to present at
>> a BayPiggies meeting....
>>
>> -- Asheesh.
>>
>> --
>> Linus?  Whose that?
>>                -- clueless newbie on #Linux
>
> Why don't we ask the Nokia guys to come give a talk at BayPiggies?
> They gave a talk at SDForum a few years back.
>
> Best Regards,
> -jj
>
> --
> Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
>

From daryl.spitzer at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 22:32:29 2008
From: daryl.spitzer at gmail.com (Daryl Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:32:29 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python on OpenMoko
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	<489BB5DC.2030007@ulmcnett.com> <489BC156.5080807@adelaide.edu.au>
	<b8c6f6c40808111045uacdc6a3u820ef6999de5bfb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0808121340460.24623@alchemy.localdomain>
	<c41f67b90808150507x7320049djf262c7473d5246f@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808151223u35f5f528qa15610f13f3bb05c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbf2758a0808151332q19f652f1j584699898089d785@mail.gmail.com>

> In a perfect world, we could get OpenMoko, Nokia, and Andriod...

Is there any support for Python on Android?

--
Daryl


On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Charles Merriam
<charles.merriam at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great  point!
>
> In a perfect world, we could get OpenMoko, Nokia, and Andriod to talk.
>  It may be easier to get three "20 minute talk" commitments than one
> long one.
>
> Charles
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:07 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Asheesh Laroia <asheesh at asheesh.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Charles Merriam wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems like a lot of folks are wanting to touch/play with these
>>>> devices.  Would people be up for a 'scripting night'?
>>>>
>>>> This could either be a regular BayPiggies event, or I could host a
>>>> kid-friendly event at the Santa Clara Round-table Pizza.  It's a low
>>>> key pizza joint with a play space for kids, wi-fi, and free meeting
>>>> rooms.
>>>
>>> I'd like this.  I'd like to say public transit accessibility (plus bike if
>>> necessary) (or carpool-ability in case that doesn't work) is a major factor
>>> for my attendance.  Google HQ is okay for public transit + bike, and also
>>> has lots of carpooling by people on this list.
>>>
>>> That's my two cents.  Hopefully this event happens, and in a way that can
>>> get the most people (hopefully including myself) there!
>>>
>>>> What's the interest level 1-10?  For a scripting/beer thing 1-10?
>>>
>>> I'd say 7 to both, so long as the latter is easy enough to get to.
>>>
>>> For OM though, it might make more sense to give an overview of the current
>>> state of the platform.  To that end, Michael Shiloh might want to present at
>>> a BayPiggies meeting....
>>>
>>> -- Asheesh.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Linus?  Whose that?
>>>                -- clueless newbie on #Linux
>>
>> Why don't we ask the Nokia guys to come give a talk at BayPiggies?
>> They gave a talk at SDForum a few years back.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> -jj
>>
>> --
>> Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
>> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
>>
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From matt at matt-good.net  Sat Aug 16 00:39:49 2008
From: matt at matt-good.net (Matt Good)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:39:49 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python on OpenMoko
In-Reply-To: <fbf2758a0808151332q19f652f1j584699898089d785@mail.gmail.com>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808061908m7c243a5br870ec8d49f95e9db@mail.gmail.com>
	<64e45fca0808071328m64484f70j4baf51c0221fc062@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
	<489BB5DC.2030007@ulmcnett.com> <489BC156.5080807@adelaide.edu.au>
	<b8c6f6c40808111045uacdc6a3u820ef6999de5bfb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0808121340460.24623@alchemy.localdomain>
	<c41f67b90808150507x7320049djf262c7473d5246f@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808151223u35f5f528qa15610f13f3bb05c@mail.gmail.com>
	<fbf2758a0808151332q19f652f1j584699898089d785@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F44828AD-DB6A-4A93-B673-6BE5BB6E8ED2@matt-good.net>

On Aug 15, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Daryl Spitzer wrote:

>> In a perfect world, we could get OpenMoko, Nokia, and Andriod...
>
> Is there any support for Python on Android?

I haven't seen any evidence that someone's gotten it working, but at  
least in theory you could use Jython:
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/89a92e114f3df423

-- Matt

From jjinux at gmail.com  Sat Aug 16 10:01:46 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:01:46 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python on OpenMoko
In-Reply-To: <F44828AD-DB6A-4A93-B673-6BE5BB6E8ED2@matt-good.net>
References: <705380.90957.qm@web56510.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808071545r666cc583j19d0362cef4b513a@mail.gmail.com>
	<489BB5DC.2030007@ulmcnett.com> <489BC156.5080807@adelaide.edu.au>
	<b8c6f6c40808111045uacdc6a3u820ef6999de5bfb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.1.10.0808121340460.24623@alchemy.localdomain>
	<c41f67b90808150507x7320049djf262c7473d5246f@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8c6f6c40808151223u35f5f528qa15610f13f3bb05c@mail.gmail.com>
	<fbf2758a0808151332q19f652f1j584699898089d785@mail.gmail.com>
	<F44828AD-DB6A-4A93-B673-6BE5BB6E8ED2@matt-good.net>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808160101v701af5b1p48bc2960621e4b2b@mail.gmail.com>

(Going off topic even further:)
By the way, I talked to a guy at the Openmoko booth at LinuxExpo. I
told him that I'd be very interested in running Openmoko hardware,
which is fully open, with Android, which I'm guessing will be
relatively polished by the end of the year. He said that they had been
talking to Google about it, but it's still up to Google to decide on a
timetable. Unfortunately, Openmoko still isn't ready for everyday use
yet. I'm waiting hopefully.

-jj

From afife at untangle.com  Mon Aug 18 20:48:18 2008
From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:48:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] BALUG Tomorrow = Chris Dibona
Message-ID: <01a201c90162$fb2a83a0$f17f8ae0$@com>

Hi Folks:

This is a quick reminder that Chris Dibona, the open source programs
manager at Google, will be speaking at BALUG tomorrow. (full bio below)
So, if you'd like to join us please RSVP:

  rsvp at balug.org

**Why RSVP??**

Well, don't worry we won't turn you away, but the RSVPs really help the
Four Seas Restaurant plan the meal and they ensure that we're able to eat
upstairs in the private banquet room.

Meeting Details...

  6:30pm
  August 19th, 2008 (Tomorrow!)

  Four Seas Restaurant
  731 Grant Ave.
  San Francisco, CA 94108
  Easy $5 PARKING:  Portsmouth Square Garage at 733 Kearny

Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13

Chris DiBona's full bio:

Chris DiBona is the open source programs manager at Mountain View, CA
based Google, where his team oversees license compliance, promotes
developer outreach, supports the open source community through programs
such as the Google Summer of Code and oversees OSS releases on Google
Code.  

Mr. DiBona is an internationally known advocate of open source software
and related methodologies.  He occasionally appears on the This Week in
Tech and Cranky Geeks podcasts.  He is a visiting scholar at the MIT Sloan
School of Management and has a masters in software engineering from
Carnegie Mellon University.  Additionally, he serves on the advisory board
of imeem, a San Francisco, CA based social networking firm.

Before joining Google, Mr. DiBona was an editor and author for the website
Slashdot.org.  Additionally, he coedited the award-winning essay
compilations "Open Sources" and "Open Sources 2.0" and writes for several
publications.  He was the host of Floss Weekly with Leo Laporte and made a
number of appearances on TechTV's "The Screensavers".

--
Andrew Fife
Untangle - The Open Source Network Gateway
www.untangle.com/download

650.425.3327 desk
415.806.6028 cell 

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From javarobert at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 20:32:20 2008
From: javarobert at yahoo.com (Robert Schultheis)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:32:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Nokia and Python Talks, Devices and Demos
Message-ID: <335799.25215.qm@web56506.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I represent Forum Nokia in Mountain View, California and would be happy to speak to the Bay Area Python Interest Group. If there is some interest in seeing some Nokia devices and trying some Python hacking, I can provide some devices for a pizza and hacking event. I recently joined the BayPIGies group and looking forward to meeting other group members. My background is in Unix (Solaris) and Linux. Pys60 is pretty cool way to use my skills on mobile devices. 

Cheers,
Robert Schultheis
Forum Nokia
Mountain View, CA


      

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 20 22:55:15 2008
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:55:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Erlang Erloung @ Yahoo
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808201355g7cf1e1adqe0b58aa43f918039@mail.gmail.com>

A few people have talked about Erlang at the meetings (casually, not
in a presentation per-se) so ...

http://groups.google.com/group/bayfp/browse_thread/thread/47f3c8224cb77047?hl=en
(This was posted in the Bay Area Functional Programmers list)

From jjinux at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 00:49:05 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:49:05 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Erlang Erloung @ Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808201355g7cf1e1adqe0b58aa43f918039@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808201355g7cf1e1adqe0b58aa43f918039@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808201549u1efabdbcw6bceeeda01095730@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> A few people have talked about Erlang at the meetings (casually, not
> in a presentation per-se) so ...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/bayfp/browse_thread/thread/47f3c8224cb77047?hl=en
> (This was posted in the Bay Area Functional Programmers list)

By the way, I'm keeping my eye on http://wiki.reia-lang.org/wiki/Main_Page:

"Reia (pronounced RAY-uh) is a Python/Ruby-like scripting language for
the Erlang virtual machine (BEAM). Reia aims to expose all the
features and functionality of Erlang in a language more familiar to
programmers of scripting languages, while improving string handling,
regular expressions, linking with external libraries, and other tasks
which are generally considered outside the scope of Erlang."

-jj

-- 
Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 02:53:47 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:53:47 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] how can I change the input parameter in my executable
	while calling from either os.system or os.popen calls?
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I have defined a class as following:

class reg:
     def __init__ (self, offset):
                self.offset = offset

     def reg_read(self, offset):
             print 'Read the reg conten specified by offset'
             import os
             read_cmd = './testtool  0x50'
             read_content = os.popen(read_cmd).read()

reg1 = reg (0x50)

reg1.reg_read(0x50)


The above code calls my c executable with offset 0x50 and gives me the
content of 0x50 offset.

I wanted to change the above code as following:

 class reg:
     def __init__ (self, offset):
                self.offset = offset

     def reg_read(self, offset):
             print 'Read the reg conten specified by offset'
             import os
             read_cmd = './testtool  *offset*'
             read_content = os.popen(read_cmd).read()

reg1 = reg (0x50)

reg1.reg_read(0x50)

Basically I wanted to pass the offset as input parameter to my executable
"testtool" and run the testtool for offset.

But looks like it does not allow me to change my offset.

Is there a way to do this in python?

Thanks in advance,
David
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 02:59:02 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] how can I change the input parameter in my
	executable while calling from either os.system or os.popen calls?
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808201759g3c02899cy44270556d3bc434b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:53 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have defined a class as following:
>
> class reg:
>      def __init__ (self, offset):
>                 self.offset = offset
>
>      def reg_read(self, offset):
>              print 'Read the reg conten specified by offset'
>              import os
>              read_cmd = './testtool  0x50'
>              read_content = os.popen(read_cmd).read()
>
> reg1 = reg (0x50)
>
> reg1.reg_read(0x50)
>
>
> The above code calls my c executable with offset 0x50 and gives me the
> content of 0x50 offset.
>
> I wanted to change the above code as following:
>
> class reg:
>      def __init__ (self, offset):
>                 self.offset = offset
>
>      def reg_read(self, offset):
>              print 'Read the reg conten specified by offset'
>              import os
>              read_cmd = './testtool  offset'
>              read_content = os.popen(read_cmd).read()
>
> reg1 = reg (0x50)
>
> reg1.reg_read(0x50)
>
> Basically I wanted to pass the offset as input parameter to my executable
> "testtool" and run the testtool for offset.
>
> But looks like it does not allow me to change my offset.
>
> Is there a way to do this in python?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> David

Have a peek at http://docs.python.org/lib/module-subprocess.html.
This has the additional benefit that you can pass a list of args
instead of a single string.

-jj

-- 
Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From eric at ericwalstad.com  Thu Aug 21 04:31:41 2008
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:31:41 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] how can I change the input parameter in my
	executable while calling from either os.system or os.popen calls?
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c436fcd20808201931s5c29b217y989195e430b42836@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:53 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:
...
>              read_cmd = './testtool  offset'
>              read_content = os.popen(read_cmd).read()
>
> reg1 = reg (0x50)
>
> reg1.reg_read(0x50)
>
> Basically I wanted to pass the offset as input parameter to my executable
> "testtool" and run the testtool for offset.

Will this work for you?
>>> for offset in range(75, 86):
...     read_cmd = './testtool %#x' % offset
...     print read_cmd
...
./testtool 0x4b
./testtool 0x4c
./testtool 0x4d
./testtool 0x4e
./testtool 0x4f
./testtool 0x50
./testtool 0x51
./testtool 0x52
./testtool 0x53
./testtool 0x54
./testtool 0x55
>>>

See also:
http://docs.python.org/lib/typesseq-strings.html

hth, Eric.

From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 18:31:12 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:31:12 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] how can I change the input parameter in my
	executable while calling from either os.system or os.popen calls?
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd20808201931s5c29b217y989195e430b42836@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
	<c436fcd20808201931s5c29b217y989195e430b42836@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808210931u6d1419aey969cede0fe90ec9d@mail.gmail.com>

Eric,
Thanks. It should work, I guess. I will check and trouble you again if it
does not work.
David

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:

> Hi David
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:53 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> ...
> >              read_cmd = './testtool  offset'
> >              read_content = os.popen(read_cmd).read()
> >
> > reg1 = reg (0x50)
> >
> > reg1.reg_read(0x50)
> >
> > Basically I wanted to pass the offset as input parameter to my executable
> > "testtool" and run the testtool for offset.
>
> Will this work for you?
> >>> for offset in range(75, 86):
> ...     read_cmd = './testtool %#x' % offset
> ...     print read_cmd
> ...
> ./testtool 0x4b
> ./testtool 0x4c
> ./testtool 0x4d
> ./testtool 0x4e
> ./testtool 0x4f
> ./testtool 0x50
> ./testtool 0x51
> ./testtool 0x52
> ./testtool 0x53
> ./testtool 0x54
> ./testtool 0x55
> >>>
>
> See also:
> http://docs.python.org/lib/typesseq-strings.html
>
> hth, Eric.
>
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 18:30:18 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:30:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] how can I change the input parameter in my
	executable while calling from either os.system or os.popen calls?
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808201759g3c02899cy44270556d3bc434b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808201759g3c02899cy44270556d3bc434b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808210930y6fb60848le3c57725b87f9451@mail.gmail.com>

Shannon,
It is a very big reference for a very small question. I tried to glance and
could not get my solution.

Thanks a lot for the reference though,
David

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>wrote:

>  On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:53 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I have defined a class as following:
> >
> > class reg:
> >      def __init__ (self, offset):
> >                 self.offset = offset
> >
> >      def reg_read(self, offset):
> >              print 'Read the reg conten specified by offset'
> >              import os
> >              read_cmd = './testtool  0x50'
> >              read_content = os.popen(read_cmd).read()
> >
> > reg1 = reg (0x50)
> >
> > reg1.reg_read(0x50)
> >
> >
> > The above code calls my c executable with offset 0x50 and gives me the
> > content of 0x50 offset.
> >
> > I wanted to change the above code as following:
> >
> > class reg:
> >      def __init__ (self, offset):
> >                 self.offset = offset
> >
> >      def reg_read(self, offset):
> >              print 'Read the reg conten specified by offset'
> >              import os
> >              read_cmd = './testtool  offset'
> >              read_content = os.popen(read_cmd).read()
> >
> > reg1 = reg (0x50)
> >
> > reg1.reg_read(0x50)
> >
> > Basically I wanted to pass the offset as input parameter to my executable
> > "testtool" and run the testtool for offset.
> >
> > But looks like it does not allow me to change my offset.
> >
> > Is there a way to do this in python?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > David
>
> Have a peek at http://docs.python.org/lib/module-subprocess.html.
> This has the additional benefit that you can pass a list of args
> instead of a single string.
>
> -jj
>
> --
> Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
>
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From joshua.gallagher at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 19:01:20 2008
From: joshua.gallagher at gmail.com (Joshua Gallagher)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:01:20 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] how can I change the input parameter in my
	executable while calling from either os.system or os.popen calls?
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808210930y6fb60848le3c57725b87f9451@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808201759g3c02899cy44270556d3bc434b@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808210930y6fb60848le3c57725b87f9451@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9bb4e5be0808211001y44509f31te050ed5bf5f1b946@mail.gmail.com>

There may be another, and better, way of doing it, but I usually use
Popen like this:
cmd = <something>
p_obj = subprocess.Popen(cmd, shell=True,
                         stdout=subprocess.PIPE,
                         stderr=subprocess.STDOUT)
output = p_obj.stdout.read()

In your example, it would look something like this:
import subprocess



class reg:

    def __init__ (self, offset):

        self.offset = offset



    def reg_read(self):

        print 'Read the reg content specified by offset'

        read_cmd = './testtool  %s' %self.offset

        p_obj = subprocess.Popen(read_cmd, shell=True,

                                 stdout=subprocess.PIPE,

                                 stderr=subprocess.STDOUT)

        output = p_obj.stdout.read()



reg1 = reg(0x50)

reg1.reg_read()

I'd be happy to hear of a better way to do this.

Joshua



On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:30 AM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Shannon,
> It is a very big reference for a very small question. I tried to glance and
> could not get my solution.
>
> Thanks a lot for the reference though,
> David
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:53 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I have defined a class as following:
>> >
>> > class reg:
>> >      def __init__ (self, offset):
>> >                 self.offset = offset
>> >
>> >      def reg_read(self, offset):
>> >              print 'Read the reg conten specified by offset'
>> >              import os
>> >              read_cmd = './testtool  0x50'
>> >              read_content = os.popen(read_cmd).read()
>> >
>> > reg1 = reg (0x50)
>> >
>> > reg1.reg_read(0x50)
>> >
>> >
>> > The above code calls my c executable with offset 0x50 and gives me the
>> > content of 0x50 offset.
>> >
>> > I wanted to change the above code as following:
>> >
>> > class reg:
>> >      def __init__ (self, offset):
>> >                 self.offset = offset
>> >
>> >      def reg_read(self, offset):
>> >              print 'Read the reg conten specified by offset'
>> >              import os
>> >              read_cmd = './testtool  offset'
>> >              read_content = os.popen(read_cmd).read()
>> >
>> > reg1 = reg (0x50)
>> >
>> > reg1.reg_read(0x50)
>> >
>> > Basically I wanted to pass the offset as input parameter to my
>> > executable
>> > "testtool" and run the testtool for offset.
>> >
>> > But looks like it does not allow me to change my offset.
>> >
>> > Is there a way to do this in python?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > David
>>
>> Have a peek at http://docs.python.org/lib/module-subprocess.html.
>> This has the additional benefit that you can pass a list of args
>> instead of a single string.
>>
>> -jj
>>
>> --
>> Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
>> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
>
>
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From eric at ericwalstad.com  Thu Aug 21 19:12:53 2008
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:12:53 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] how can I change the input parameter in my
	executable while calling from either os.system or os.popen calls?
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808210930y6fb60848le3c57725b87f9451@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808201759g3c02899cy44270556d3bc434b@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808210930y6fb60848le3c57725b87f9451@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c436fcd20808211012y5a346388m4ebf9579431f2a83@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:30 AM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Shannon,
> It is a very big reference for a very small question. I tried to glance and
> could not get my solution.
>
> Thanks a lot for the reference though,
> David
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Have a peek at http://docs.python.org/lib/module-subprocess.html.
>> This has the additional benefit that you can pass a list of args
>> instead of a single string.

Consider:
def reg_read(self, offset):
    import subprocess
    read_cmd = './testtool'
    args = (read_cmd, offset)
    process = subprocess.Popen(args, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
    return_code = process.wait()
    read_content = process.stdout.read()

This stuffs the read_cmd and the offset into a tuple which is then
used as the first argument to create a Popen object.  Doing it this
way means that you don't have to worry about formatting the read_cmd
into something that includes the arguments passed into the testtool
executable - Popen handles that for you.

From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 20:59:11 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:59:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] how can I change the input parameter in my
	executable while calling from either os.system or os.popen calls?
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd20808211012y5a346388m4ebf9579431f2a83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808201759g3c02899cy44270556d3bc434b@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808210930y6fb60848le3c57725b87f9451@mail.gmail.com>
	<c436fcd20808211012y5a346388m4ebf9579431f2a83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808211159h52b1da29ifc476a8efc1322d3@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it works fine for me. Not sure if there is a better way to do this. I
am happy for now.

Ton of thanks to everyone for help. You guys are great.

David

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:30 AM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Shannon,
> > It is a very big reference for a very small question. I tried to glance
> and
> > could not get my solution.
> >
> > Thanks a lot for the reference though,
> > David
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Have a peek at http://docs.python.org/lib/module-subprocess.html.
> >> This has the additional benefit that you can pass a list of args
> >> instead of a single string.
>
> Consider:
> def reg_read(self, offset):
>    import subprocess
>    read_cmd = './testtool'
>    args = (read_cmd, offset)
>    process = subprocess.Popen(args, shell=True, stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
>    return_code = process.wait()
>    read_content = process.stdout.read()
>
> This stuffs the read_cmd and the offset into a tuple which is then
> used as the first argument to create a Popen object.  Doing it this
> way means that you don't have to worry about formatting the read_cmd
> into something that includes the arguments passed into the testtool
> executable - Popen handles that for you.
>
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From matt at matt-good.net  Thu Aug 21 22:39:11 2008
From: matt at matt-good.net (Matt Good)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:39:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] how can I change the input parameter in my
	executable while calling from either os.system or os.popen calls?
In-Reply-To: <9bb4e5be0808211001y44509f31te050ed5bf5f1b946@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808201759g3c02899cy44270556d3bc434b@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808210930y6fb60848le3c57725b87f9451@mail.gmail.com>
	<9bb4e5be0808211001y44509f31te050ed5bf5f1b946@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <844FD955-5366-44B5-A73B-E99FF9B77E95@matt-good.net>

On Aug 21, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Joshua Gallagher wrote:

> There may be another, and better, way of doing it, but I usually use
> Popen like this:
> cmd = <something>
> p_obj = subprocess.Popen(cmd, shell=True,
>                         stdout=subprocess.PIPE,
>                         stderr=subprocess.STDOUT)
> output = p_obj.stdout.read()


Using the std* streams directly is prone to deadlock.  If you can,  
stick to using popen.communicate()

proc = subprocess.Popen([cmd, arg1, arg2], stdout=subprocess.PIPE,  
stderr=subprocess.PIPE)
pout, perr = subprocess.communicate()

http://docs.python.org/lib/node532.html

-- Matt

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 22 00:22:39 2008
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:22:39 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Erlang Erloung @ Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808201355g7cf1e1adqe0b58aa43f918039@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808201355g7cf1e1adqe0b58aa43f918039@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W330613BEDC15A6A4F0D7E9A06B0@phx.gbl>


FYI I'm down here at SciPy conference and it seems there is also some emerging but
scattered interest in Erlang, Haskell.

Stephen

> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:55:15 -0700
> From: cappy2112 at gmail.com
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: [Baypiggies] Erlang Erloung @ Yahoo
> 
> A few people have talked about Erlang at the meetings (casually, not
> in a presentation per-se) so ...
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/bayfp/browse_thread/thread/47f3c8224cb77047?hl=en
> (This was posted in the Bay Area Functional Programmers list)


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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 01:26:38 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:26:38 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] how can I change the input parameter in my
	executable while calling from either os.system or os.popen calls?
In-Reply-To: <844FD955-5366-44B5-A73B-E99FF9B77E95@matt-good.net>
References: <b46e7b140808201753x68816f9ar13885f3cbb588649@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808201759g3c02899cy44270556d3bc434b@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808210930y6fb60848le3c57725b87f9451@mail.gmail.com>
	<9bb4e5be0808211001y44509f31te050ed5bf5f1b946@mail.gmail.com>
	<844FD955-5366-44B5-A73B-E99FF9B77E95@matt-good.net>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808211626y2ba21e23j23bf4d63c3693abd@mail.gmail.com>

thanks.

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Matt Good <matt at matt-good.net> wrote:

> On Aug 21, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Joshua Gallagher wrote:
>
> There may be another, and better, way of doing it, but I usually use
>> Popen like this:
>> cmd = <something>
>> p_obj = subprocess.Popen(cmd, shell=True,
>>                        stdout=subprocess.PIPE,
>>                        stderr=subprocess.STDOUT)
>> output = p_obj.stdout.read()
>>
>
>
> Using the std* streams directly is prone to deadlock.  If you can, stick to
> using popen.communicate()
>
> proc = subprocess.Popen([cmd, arg1, arg2], stdout=subprocess.PIPE,
> stderr=subprocess.PIPE)
> pout, perr = subprocess.communicate()
>
> http://docs.python.org/lib/node532.html
>
> -- Matt
>
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From rdm at cfcl.com  Mon Aug 25 00:43:21 2008
From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:43:21 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] BASS Meeting (SF), Wed. August 27
Message-ID: <p06230930c4d793700242@[192.168.1.205]>

The Beer and Scripting SIG rides again!  If you'd like to eat good
Italian food, chat with other local scripters, and possibly take a
look at laptop-demoed scripting hacks, this is the place to do it!

For your convenience, here are the critical details:

  Date:   Wednesday, August 27, 2008 (4th. Wed.)
  Time:   8:00 pm
  Place:  Pasquales Pizzeria
          701 Irving St. (At 8th. Ave.)
          San Francisco, California, USA
          415/661-2140


See the BASS web page for more information:

  http://cfcl.com/rdm/bass/



We now have two (2) mailing lists, which you are welcome to join:

  *  http://groups.google.com/group/bass-announce

     This will be used mostly for BASS announcements, though I may
     send an occasional notice about other events that look nifty.
     Expect 1-2 messages per month.

  *  http://groups.google.com/group/bass-discuss

     This should have relatively little traffic, but no guarantees.
     The basic idea is that it gives BASS attendees (etc) a place
     to discuss scripting (and topics of interest to scripters).
     Like BASS, but more than one evening a month...

-r
-- 
http://www.cfcl.com/rdm            Rich Morin
http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume     rdm at cfcl.com
http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog     +1 650-873-7841

Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development

From brent.tubbs at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 22:46:42 2008
From: brent.tubbs at gmail.com (Brent Tubbs)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:46:42 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] charsets in email headers
Message-ID: <769bb4300808251346v3909d8b3td603fd7463f32e1d@mail.gmail.com>

I'm writing a Google App Engine app that accepts incoming emails using
the free smtp2web.com service.  Things are generally working, but some
(not all) subject lines in the emails look like this (this one's a
Google Calendar event invitation):

=?windows-1252?Q?=5BInvitation=5D_dummy_event_4_=40_Tue_Aug_26_10pm_=96_11=3A?=
        =?windows-1252?Q?30pm_=28=22Schmobag=5FHogfather=22=29?=

I've learned that that's got something to do with the subject being in
the windows-1252 charset, but I'm mystified as to how to turn that
into human-readable ASCII.  The python email module has a charset
class that's supposed to help with this I think, but I don't know how
to make it do what I need.

Any suggestions on the best way to turn the ugly string above into
something nicer?

Thanks,
Brent

From jason at mischievous.org  Mon Aug 25 23:20:30 2008
From: jason at mischievous.org (Jason Culverhouse)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:20:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] charsets in email headers
In-Reply-To: <769bb4300808251346v3909d8b3td603fd7463f32e1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <769bb4300808251346v3909d8b3td603fd7463f32e1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6887070-81D8-4C02-82DB-039A871AF4BE@mischievous.org>

Right here...
http://docs.python.org/lib/module-email.header.html

from email.header import decode_header
decode_header('=?windows-1252?Q? 
=5BInvitation=5D_dummy_event_4_=40_Tue_Aug_26_10pm_=96_11=3A?=')

[('[Invitation] dummy event 4 @ Tue Aug 26 10pm \x96 11:',  
'windows-1252')]

Jason

On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Brent Tubbs wrote:

> I'm writing a Google App Engine app that accepts incoming emails using
> the free smtp2web.com service.  Things are generally working, but some
> (not all) subject lines in the emails look like this (this one's a
> Google Calendar event invitation):
>
> =?windows-1252?Q? 
> =5BInvitation=5D_dummy_event_4_=40_Tue_Aug_26_10pm_=96_11=3A?=
>        =?windows-1252?Q?30pm_=28=22Schmobag=5FHogfather=22=29?=
>
> I've learned that that's got something to do with the subject being in
> the windows-1252 charset, but I'm mystified as to how to turn that
> into human-readable ASCII.  The python email module has a charset
> class that's supposed to help with this I think, but I don't know how
> to make it do what I need.
>
> Any suggestions on the best way to turn the ugly string above into
> something nicer?
>
> Thanks,
> Brent
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

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From brent.tubbs at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 23:52:28 2008
From: brent.tubbs at gmail.com (Brent Tubbs)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:52:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] charsets in email headers
In-Reply-To: <D6887070-81D8-4C02-82DB-039A871AF4BE@mischievous.org>
References: <769bb4300808251346v3909d8b3td603fd7463f32e1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<D6887070-81D8-4C02-82DB-039A871AF4BE@mischievous.org>
Message-ID: <769bb4300808251452h7d3bb881u206124fe7bf9078@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for the link, Jason.   I'd been staring at that page (as
well as http://docs.python.org/lib/module-email.charset.html) for a
while before emailing the group, but it's over my head and there is no
example for converting from one charset to another.  An example from
someone who's done it would be most welcome.

Thanks again,
Brent

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Jason Culverhouse
<jason at mischievous.org> wrote:
> Right here...
> http://docs.python.org/lib/module-email.header.html
>
> from email.header import decode_header
> decode_header('=?windows-1252?Q?=5BInvitation=5D_dummy_event_4_=40_Tue_Aug_26_10pm_=96_11=3A?=')
>
> [('[Invitation] dummy event 4 @ Tue Aug 26 10pm \x96 11:', 'windows-1252')]
>
> Jason
>
> On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Brent Tubbs wrote:
>
>> I'm writing a Google App Engine app that accepts incoming emails using
>> the free smtp2web.com service.  Things are generally working, but some
>> (not all) subject lines in the emails look like this (this one's a
>> Google Calendar event invitation):
>>
>>
>> =?windows-1252?Q?=5BInvitation=5D_dummy_event_4_=40_Tue_Aug_26_10pm_=96_11=3A?=
>>       =?windows-1252?Q?30pm_=28=22Schmobag=5FHogfather=22=29?=
>>
>> I've learned that that's got something to do with the subject being in
>> the windows-1252 charset, but I'm mystified as to how to turn that
>> into human-readable ASCII.  The python email module has a charset
>> class that's supposed to help with this I think, but I don't know how
>> to make it do what I need.
>>
>> Any suggestions on the best way to turn the ugly string above into
>> something nicer?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brent
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>

From brent.tubbs at gmail.com  Mon Aug 25 23:54:01 2008
From: brent.tubbs at gmail.com (Brent Tubbs)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:54:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] charsets in email headers
In-Reply-To: <769bb4300808251452h7d3bb881u206124fe7bf9078@mail.gmail.com>
References: <769bb4300808251346v3909d8b3td603fd7463f32e1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<D6887070-81D8-4C02-82DB-039A871AF4BE@mischievous.org>
	<769bb4300808251452h7d3bb881u206124fe7bf9078@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <769bb4300808251454y472d6610p7b4f8372f0612b7d@mail.gmail.com>

Erg I should have read more carefully.  Disregard my complaint about
not having an example.

Thanks again,
Brent

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Brent Tubbs <brent.tubbs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the link, Jason.   I'd been staring at that page (as
> well as http://docs.python.org/lib/module-email.charset.html) for a
> while before emailing the group, but it's over my head and there is no
> example for converting from one charset to another.  An example from
> someone who's done it would be most welcome.
>
> Thanks again,
> Brent
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Jason Culverhouse
> <jason at mischievous.org> wrote:
>> Right here...
>> http://docs.python.org/lib/module-email.header.html
>>
>> from email.header import decode_header
>> decode_header('=?windows-1252?Q?=5BInvitation=5D_dummy_event_4_=40_Tue_Aug_26_10pm_=96_11=3A?=')
>>
>> [('[Invitation] dummy event 4 @ Tue Aug 26 10pm \x96 11:', 'windows-1252')]
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Brent Tubbs wrote:
>>
>>> I'm writing a Google App Engine app that accepts incoming emails using
>>> the free smtp2web.com service.  Things are generally working, but some
>>> (not all) subject lines in the emails look like this (this one's a
>>> Google Calendar event invitation):
>>>
>>>
>>> =?windows-1252?Q?=5BInvitation=5D_dummy_event_4_=40_Tue_Aug_26_10pm_=96_11=3A?=
>>>       =?windows-1252?Q?30pm_=28=22Schmobag=5FHogfather=22=29?=
>>>
>>> I've learned that that's got something to do with the subject being in
>>> the windows-1252 charset, but I'm mystified as to how to turn that
>>> into human-readable ASCII.  The python email module has a charset
>>> class that's supposed to help with this I think, but I don't know how
>>> to make it do what I need.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on the best way to turn the ugly string above into
>>> something nicer?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brent
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Baypiggies mailing list
>>> Baypiggies at python.org
>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>>
>

From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 01:49:34 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:49:34 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] One and two dim arrays in Python
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I would like to do something like following in Python:

for i in range(0,10):
     a[i] = something

just to initialize some values for 1d array.

I am getting the error message 'a' is not defined.

Is there a way to declare 1d or 2d arrays in Python?

Thanks,
David
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 01:53:49 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:53:49 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] One and two dim arrays in Python
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808251653x5272f33ctc60058d9f82ad462@mail.gmail.com>

I have declared 'a' as :
a=[] before the for loop. But it does not seem to help.

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:49 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
> I would like to do something like following in Python:
>
> for i in range(0,10):
>      a[i] = something
>
> just to initialize some values for 1d array.
>
> I am getting the error message 'a' is not defined.
>
> Is there a way to declare 1d or 2d arrays in Python?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 02:05:11 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:05:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] One and two dim arrays in Python
In-Reply-To: <ea8debc80808251700l38ed4a21pf0ee8962c583bd0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808251653x5272f33ctc60058d9f82ad462@mail.gmail.com>
	<ea8debc80808251700l38ed4a21pf0ee8962c583bd0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808251705y58e0c2e7tc7f2154585d62720@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Sherman

but how does it work if I want to change my "something" for each index  of
i.

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Shiqi Yang <sherman.yang at gmail.com> wrote:

> maybe you can try this:
> a = [ something for i in range(10)]
>
> hope it helps
>
> :)
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:53 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I have declared 'a' as :
> > a=[] before the for loop. But it does not seem to help.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:49 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I would like to do something like following in Python:
> >>
> >> for i in range(0,10):
> >>      a[i] = something
> >>
> >> just to initialize some values for 1d array.
> >>
> >> I am getting the error message 'a' is not defined.
> >>
> >> Is there a way to declare 1d or 2d arrays in Python?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> David
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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>
>
>
> --
> Sherman Yang
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From python at dylanreinhardt.com  Tue Aug 26 02:05:26 2008
From: python at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:05:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] One and two dim arrays in Python
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c645a720808251705u3f2ce3dbh7aafeb4998612c92@mail.gmail.com>

There's not much need to dimension arrays in Python.

But if you want to anyway, what about:

a = [None] * 10

HTH,

Dylan



On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:49 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to do something like following in Python:
>
> for i in range(0,10):
>      a[i] = something
>
> just to initialize some values for 1d array.
>
> I am getting the error message 'a' is not defined.
>
> Is there a way to declare 1d or 2d arrays in Python?
>
> Thanks,
> David
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From cvrebert at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 02:06:05 2008
From: cvrebert at gmail.com (Chris Rebert)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:06:05 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] One and two dim arrays in Python
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47c890dc0808251706l7d8f1ae2h47e88e2e18a7bf1a@mail.gmail.com>

Your attempt doesn't work because you can't assign to indices of an
empty list (which is of length/size 0). You would need to instead use
.append() to add items on to the end of the list, e.g.:

a = []
for i in xrange(list_size):
    a.append(something)

And just to clarify, Python doesn't have any sort of declaration. You
can use Python's handy list comprehension syntax to abbreviate the
previous code as:

a = [something for i in xrange(list_size)]

Or it your placeholder values are immutable (e.g. numbers), you can
use the simpler shortcut:

a = [something] * list_size

For multidimensional lists, you need to be a bit careful. The pattern
(for a 2D list) is:

a = [[something for y in xrange(dimension_y_size) ] for x in
xrange(dimension_x_size)]

and you can continue the pattern in the obvious way for higher
dimensional lists.
Note that you can still use the aforementioned shortcut for the
innermost list when constructing multidimensional ones, again assuming
the placeholder value is immutable.

Hope that clears things up.

- Chris
========
Follow the path of the Iguana...
Rebertia: http://rebertia.com
Blog: http://blog.rebertia.com


On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:49 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to do something like following in Python:
>
> for i in range(0,10):
>      a[i] = something
>
> just to initialize some values for 1d array.
>
> I am getting the error message 'a' is not defined.
>
> Is there a way to declare 1d or 2d arrays in Python?
>
> Thanks,
> David
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From n8pease at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 26 02:00:22 2008
From: n8pease at yahoo.com (Nathan Pease)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:00:22 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] One and two dim arrays in Python
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808251653x5272f33ctc60058d9f82ad462@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808251653x5272f33ctc60058d9f82ad462@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B249CE04-FB6A-48A5-8A7F-303B84A0A0AC@yahoo.com>

this seems to work:

a = {}
for i in range(0, 10): a[i] = 'foo'

n

On Aug 25, 2008, at 4:53 PM, David Elsen wrote:

> I have declared 'a' as :
> a=[] before the for loop. But it does not seem to help.
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:49 PM, David Elsen  
> <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to do something like following in Python:
>
> for i in range(0,10):
>      a[i] = something
>
> just to initialize some values for 1d array.
>
> I am getting the error message 'a' is not defined.
>
> Is there a way to declare 1d or 2d arrays in Python?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

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From cvrebert at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 02:44:17 2008
From: cvrebert at gmail.com (Chris Rebert)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:44:17 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] One and two dim arrays in Python
In-Reply-To: <B249CE04-FB6A-48A5-8A7F-303B84A0A0AC@yahoo.com>
References: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808251653x5272f33ctc60058d9f82ad462@mail.gmail.com>
	<B249CE04-FB6A-48A5-8A7F-303B84A0A0AC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47c890dc0808251744s723fea60h7b21912fb0a6064c@mail.gmail.com>

That's because you're using a dictionary rather than a list. The
dictionary doesn't care too much about the type of its keys and has no
concept of ordering or contiguousness, so you can add items to it
arbitrarily.

This is why another way to implement multidimensional arrays in Python
is to use a dictionary and tuples for the coordinates, e.g.:

a = {}
for x in range(x_size):
    for y in range(y_size):
        for z in range(z_size):
            coords = (x,y,z)
            a[coords] = something

- Chris
========
Follow the path of the Iguana...
Rebertia: http://rebertia.com
Blog: http://blog.rebertia.com



On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Nathan Pease <n8pease at yahoo.com> wrote:
> this seems to work:
> a = {}
> for i in range(0, 10): a[i] = 'foo'
> n
> On Aug 25, 2008, at 4:53 PM, David Elsen wrote:
>
> I have declared 'a' as :
> a=[] before the for loop. But it does not seem to help.
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:49 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would like to do something like following in Python:
>>
>> for i in range(0,10):
>>      a[i] = something
>>
>> just to initialize some values for 1d array.
>>
>> I am getting the error message 'a' is not defined.
>>
>> Is there a way to declare 1d or 2d arrays in Python?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Baypiggies at python.org
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From aleax at google.com  Tue Aug 26 02:52:39 2008
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:52:39 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] One and two dim arrays in Python
In-Reply-To: <B249CE04-FB6A-48A5-8A7F-303B84A0A0AC@yahoo.com>
References: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808251653x5272f33ctc60058d9f82ad462@mail.gmail.com>
	<B249CE04-FB6A-48A5-8A7F-303B84A0A0AC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55dc209b0808251752m183b762fx3aa0648f3dcdf38d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Nathan Pease <n8pease at yahoo.com> wrote:
> this seems to work:
> a = {}
> for i in range(0, 10): a[i] = 'foo'

Yep, but it builds a *dict* (Pythonese for hashtable), NOT a *list*
(Pythonese for vector/array, more or less) -- so for example the order
of a's items is not guaranteed, etc.

To build a list, the list-comprehension syntax already repeatedly
suggested is generally best -- and the 'something' given in those
examples can perfectly well be an expression, so for example

squares = [i*i for i in range(10)]

works just fine.  If each item needs to be computed in some
complicated way, it can be sometimes more readable to use the more
ancient syntax:

a = []
for i in range(10):
  a.append(...whatever complicated thing you need...)

The boundary between where it's best to use a list comprehension,
where the more ancient syntax based on .append, is an issue of style,
and more or less spelled out in the Python style guide.  However, net
of purely stylistical issues, all of this is spelled out quite
extensively in books such as "Python in a Nutshell" -- I'm biased, of
course, but I would not recommend programming in Python without having
read it (skipping the chapters not of immediate interest;-).


Alex

From Chris.Clark at ingres.com  Tue Aug 26 20:07:23 2008
From: Chris.Clark at ingres.com (Chris Clark)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:07:23 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] One and two dim arrays in Python
In-Reply-To: <47c890dc0808251744s723fea60h7b21912fb0a6064c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808251649l11a7e939n40a38f8cc582d797@mail.gmail.com>	<b46e7b140808251653x5272f33ctc60058d9f82ad462@mail.gmail.com>	<B249CE04-FB6A-48A5-8A7F-303B84A0A0AC@yahoo.com>
	<47c890dc0808251744s723fea60h7b21912fb0a6064c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48B4465B.7080806@ingres.com>

On 8/25/2008 5:44 PM, Chris Rebert wrote:
> ....
> This is why another way to implement multidimensional arrays in Python
> is to use a dictionary and tuples for the coordinates, e.g.:
>
> a = {}
> for x in range(x_size):
>     for y in range(y_size):
>         for z in range(z_size):
>             coords = (x,y,z)
>             a[coords] = something
>   

Interesting side topic; JJ had an interesting blog post in this area 
where he found a memory difference between tuples as the index and 
nested dicts.

http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2008/08/python-memory-conservation-tip.html


Chris


From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 22:02:42 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:02:42 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is this a conversion problem? Can I get help to
	resolve this please?
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have a test script as follows:

import os
import string
cmd = './testtool  dump'
res = os.popen(cmd).read()
#print res
*#fout = open("ask_it.txt", "w")
#fout.write(res)
#fout.close*
reg_reset_val = []
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)

print 'reg default values'
for index, item in enumerate(reg_reset_val):
 print index, item

fin = open ("ask_it.txt", "r")
i = 0
reg = []
linelist = fin.readlines()
lines = len(linelist)
for line in linelist:
 i = i +1
 if (i >= 5): # First four lines are bogus
  datas = line.split()
  reg.append(datas)
  if i == lines:
   break
print 'the reg list is'
for j, item in enumerate(reg):
 print j, item
print 'reg[0]'
print reg[0]
print 'reg_reset_val[0]0x%x'%reg_reset_val[0]
#print reg_reset_val[0]
if (reg[0] == reg_reset_val[0]):
 print 'test passed'
else:
 print 'test failed'


Calling to driver via IOCTL Control Memory Dump buf addr = 0x804d008.
Returned from calling driver via IOCTL.
IOCTL CTL Mem Dump char count
Control Memory Dump:  Address 0xf8812000
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
0xdeadfeed
I am expecting the "reg[0]" and "reg_reset_val[0]" to be the same. But
reg[0] is list and has ['0xdeadfeed'] in it and reg_reset_val[0] has
0xdeadfeed in it. How can I convert the reg[0] to make it normal 0xdeadfeed.

Thanks,
David
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 22:24:44 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:24:44 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is this a conversion problem? Can I get help to
	resolve this please?
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808261324o2929e30cy55c4094037864d4a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:02 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
> I have a test script as follows:
>
> import os
> import string
> cmd = './testtool  dump'
> res = os.popen(cmd).read()
> #print res
> *#fout = open("ask_it.txt", "w")
> #fout.write(res)
> #fout.close*
> reg_reset_val = []
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>
> print 'reg default values'
> for index, item in enumerate(reg_reset_val):
>  print index, item
>
> fin = open ("ask_it.txt", "r")
> i = 0
> reg = []
> linelist = fin.readlines()
> lines = len(linelist)
> for line in linelist:
>  i = i +1
>  if (i >= 5): # First four lines are bogus
>   datas = line.split()
>   reg.append(datas)
>   if i == lines:
>    break
> print 'the reg list is'
> for j, item in enumerate(reg):
>  print j, item
> print 'reg[0]'
> print reg[0]
> print 'reg_reset_val[0]0x%x'%reg_reset_val[0]
> #print reg_reset_val[0]
> if (reg[0] == reg_reset_val[0]):
>  print 'test passed'
> else:
>  print 'test failed'
>
> The file "ask_it.txt" is as follows:
> Calling to driver via IOCTL Control Memory Dump buf addr = 0x804d008.
> Returned from calling driver via IOCTL.
> IOCTL CTL Mem Dump char count
> Control Memory Dump:  Address 0xf8812000
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
>


I have initialized the reg_reset_val[0] = 0xdeadfeed and reg[0] =
['oxdeadfeed']. How can I convert reg[0] to be same as reg_reset_val[0]?


>
>
> I am expecting the "reg[0]" and "reg_reset_val[0]" to be the same. But
> reg[0] is list and has ['0xdeadfeed'] in it and reg_reset_val[0] has
> 0xdeadfeed in it. How can I convert the reg[0] to make it normal 0xdeadfeed.
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
>
>
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From aleax at google.com  Tue Aug 26 22:26:32 2008
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:26:32 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is this a conversion problem? Can I get help to
	resolve this please?
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55dc209b0808261326j11bf7457v33373c1e20575b2b@mail.gmail.com>

You should really study some of the basics of Python -- e.g. via the
mailing list http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor or any of
the other resources listed at
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide -- this mailing list is for
the Bay Area Python Interest Group and not particularly suitable for
your questions.  In this case, you're appending to your list reg items
that are lists of strings (with one item only in each sublist,
apparently) and you apparently want to convert that list of lists of
strings to a list of integers -- and give no indication whatsoever
about what you mean to happen when one of the sublists has more than
one item (i.e. any of the text lines in file ask_it.txt [apart from
the first four] has more than one word), or any of the words are not a
correct representation for an integer, and so forth.  If you know the
"more than one word in a line" can never happen, then it makes no
sense to have that "datas = line.split()" call -- why are you
splitting unless >1 word is possible?!

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is a document
really worth studying (quite apart from Python, ANY time you need to
ask technical questions) and it includes worthy quotes such as "What
we are, unapologetically, is hostile to people who seem to be
unwilling to think or to do their own homework before asking
questions. People like that are time sinks ? they take without giving
back, and they waste time we could have spent on another question more
interesting and another person more worthy of an answer."


Alex

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:02 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a test script as follows:
>
> import os
> import string
> cmd = './testtool  dump'
> res = os.popen(cmd).read()
> #print res
> #fout = open("ask_it.txt", "w")
> #fout.write(res)
> #fout.close
> reg_reset_val = []
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>
> print 'reg default values'
> for index, item in enumerate(reg_reset_val):
>  print index, item
>
> fin = open ("ask_it.txt", "r")
> i = 0
> reg = []
> linelist = fin.readlines()
> lines = len(linelist)
> for line in linelist:
>  i = i +1
>  if (i >= 5): # First four lines are bogus
>   datas = line.split()
>   reg.append(datas)
>   if i == lines:
>    break
> print 'the reg list is'
> for j, item in enumerate(reg):
>  print j, item
> print 'reg[0]'
> print reg[0]
> print 'reg_reset_val[0]0x%x'%reg_reset_val[0]
> #print reg_reset_val[0]
> if (reg[0] == reg_reset_val[0]):
>  print 'test passed'
> else:
>  print 'test failed'
>
>
> Calling to driver via IOCTL Control Memory Dump buf addr = 0x804d008.
> Returned from calling driver via IOCTL.
> IOCTL CTL Mem Dump char count
> Control Memory Dump:  Address 0xf8812000
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> 0xdeadfeed
> I am expecting the "reg[0]" and "reg_reset_val[0]" to be the same. But
> reg[0] is list and has ['0xdeadfeed'] in it and reg_reset_val[0] has
> 0xdeadfeed in it. How can I convert the reg[0] to make it normal 0xdeadfeed.
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 26 22:28:45 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:28:45 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is this a conversion problem? Can I get help to
	resolve this please?
In-Reply-To: <ea8debc80808261323h7e356380t47c7b3d2cd65640a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>
	<ea8debc80808261323h7e356380t47c7b3d2cd65640a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808261328n5a734003sb52be98599ebb260@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sherman,

With int(reg[0],16), I get the error message "TypeError: int() can't convert
non-string with explicit base."

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Shiqi Yang <sherman.yang at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, David,
>
> you can give int(reg[0], 16) a try to see if that's what you want.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:02 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a test script as follows:
> >
> > import os
> > import string
> > cmd = './testtool  dump'
> > res = os.popen(cmd).read()
> > #print res
> > #fout = open("ask_it.txt", "w")
> > #fout.write(res)
> > #fout.close
> > reg_reset_val = []
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >
> > print 'reg default values'
> > for index, item in enumerate(reg_reset_val):
> >  print index, item
> >
> > fin = open ("ask_it.txt", "r")
> > i = 0
> > reg = []
> > linelist = fin.readlines()
> > lines = len(linelist)
> > for line in linelist:
> >  i = i +1
> >  if (i >= 5): # First four lines are bogus
> >   datas = line.split()
> >   reg.append(datas)
> >   if i == lines:
> >    break
> > print 'the reg list is'
> > for j, item in enumerate(reg):
> >  print j, item
> > print 'reg[0]'
> > print reg[0]
> > print 'reg_reset_val[0]0x%x'%reg_reset_val[0]
> > #print reg_reset_val[0]
> > if (reg[0] == reg_reset_val[0]):
> >  print 'test passed'
> > else:
> >  print 'test failed'
> >
> >
> > Calling to driver via IOCTL Control Memory Dump buf addr = 0x804d008.
> > Returned from calling driver via IOCTL.
> > IOCTL CTL Mem Dump char count
> > Control Memory Dump:  Address 0xf8812000
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > I am expecting the "reg[0]" and "reg_reset_val[0]" to be the same. But
> > reg[0] is list and has ['0xdeadfeed'] in it and reg_reset_val[0] has
> > 0xdeadfeed in it. How can I convert the reg[0] to make it normal
> 0xdeadfeed.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sherman Yang
>
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 00:56:47 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:56:47 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is this a conversion problem? Can I get help to
	resolve this please?
In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0808261326j11bf7457v33373c1e20575b2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>
	<55dc209b0808261326j11bf7457v33373c1e20575b2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808261556r3c38518fs1385dee11f371bd1@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

Thank you for your reply.

Actually I had modified the text file before posting. It has four words in
one line seperated by space.  I was using the split with  space to get all
four words from a line. I was appending one word to my list (list of
strings).

I was wondering once I am using split function whether it converts the
"numbers" from my text file to some particular formats. I was trying to cast
the split output with "map", "long" etc, but it gives the error message
that for it can not accept the non-string input.

I tried to look around for split reference, but nowhere got its return type
format information. It seems like string ['0xdeadfeed']. But it does not
seem to be. If it is really string type, why cast from "map", "int", or
"long" is giving me error message.

I apologize for becoming the time sink. I am ready to become the time
source.

I have one more question though related to my same script. Please forgive me
about this. If I am trying to write my text file in the same script and then
tring to read back. For some reason, read file handle does not have any
data.

But if I have written to the text file and saved it and then trying to open
it in read mode, I am able to read the data. Is there any delay required
after writing the data to a file?

Thanks,
David

Thanks again,
David







On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Alex Martelli <aleax at google.com> wrote:

> You should really study some of the basics of Python -- e.g. via the
> mailing list http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor or any of
> the other resources listed at
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide -- this mailing list is for
> the Bay Area Python Interest Group and not particularly suitable for
> your questions.  In this case, you're appending to your list reg items
> that are lists of strings (with one item only in each sublist,
> apparently) and you apparently want to convert that list of lists of
> strings to a list of integers -- and give no indication whatsoever
> about what you mean to happen when one of the sublists has more than
> one item (i.e. any of the text lines in file ask_it.txt [apart from
> the first four] has more than one word), or any of the words are not a
> correct representation for an integer, and so forth.  If you know the
> "more than one word in a line" can never happen, then it makes no
> sense to have that "datas = line.split()" call -- why are you
> splitting unless >1 word is possible?!
>
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is a document
> really worth studying (quite apart from Python, ANY time you need to
> ask technical questions) and it includes worthy quotes such as "What
> we are, unapologetically, is hostile to people who seem to be
> unwilling to think or to do their own homework before asking
> questions. People like that are time sinks ? they take without giving
> back, and they waste time we could have spent on another question more
> interesting and another person more worthy of an answer."
>
>
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:02 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>  > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a test script as follows:
> >
> > import os
> > import string
> > cmd = './testtool  dump'
> > res = os.popen(cmd).read()
> > #print res
> > #fout = open("ask_it.txt", "w")
> > #fout.write(res)
> > #fout.close
> > reg_reset_val = []
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >
> > print 'reg default values'
> > for index, item in enumerate(reg_reset_val):
> >  print index, item
> >
> > fin = open ("ask_it.txt", "r")
> > i = 0
> > reg = []
> > linelist = fin.readlines()
> > lines = len(linelist)
> > for line in linelist:
> >  i = i +1
> >  if (i >= 5): # First four lines are bogus
> >   datas = line.split()
> >   reg.append(datas)
> >   if i == lines:
> >    break
> > print 'the reg list is'
> > for j, item in enumerate(reg):
> >  print j, item
> > print 'reg[0]'
> > print reg[0]
> > print 'reg_reset_val[0]0x%x'%reg_reset_val[0]
> > #print reg_reset_val[0]
> > if (reg[0] == reg_reset_val[0]):
> >  print 'test passed'
> > else:
> >  print 'test failed'
> >
> >
> > Calling to driver via IOCTL Control Memory Dump buf addr = 0x804d008.
> > Returned from calling driver via IOCTL.
> > IOCTL CTL Mem Dump char count
> > Control Memory Dump:  Address 0xf8812000
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > 0xdeadfeed
> > I am expecting the "reg[0]" and "reg_reset_val[0]" to be the same. But
> > reg[0] is list and has ['0xdeadfeed'] in it and reg_reset_val[0] has
> > 0xdeadfeed in it. How can I convert the reg[0] to make it normal
> 0xdeadfeed.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
> >
> >
> >
>  > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
>
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From joshua.gallagher at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 01:14:07 2008
From: joshua.gallagher at gmail.com (Joshua Gallagher)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:14:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is this a conversion problem? Can I get help to
	resolve this please?
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808261556r3c38518fs1385dee11f371bd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>
	<55dc209b0808261326j11bf7457v33373c1e20575b2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808261556r3c38518fs1385dee11f371bd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9bb4e5be0808261614g5b494ef9i2b23c0452c569bc4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

When you read and write into a file, you read and write at offsets.
You can think of the offset as a moving cursor in the file.  In other
words, if you create a new file and write 10 bytes in, your cursor is
10-bytes into the file.  If you perform another write, the write
starts at byte 10.  By extension, if your cursor is at byte 10 of this
new file and you do a read, there's nothing at the end of the file to
read.

If you've written to a file and want to reread it without closing it
you need to seek (http://docs.python.org/lib/bltin-file-objects.html)
if you have a file object or lseek
(http://docs.python.org/lib/os-fd-ops.html) if you have a file
descriptor.

Joshua



On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:56 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Alex,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> Actually I had modified the text file before posting. It has four words in
> one line seperated by space.  I was using the split with  space to get all
> four words from a line. I was appending one word to my list (list of
> strings).
>
> I was wondering once I am using split function whether it converts the
> "numbers" from my text file to some particular formats. I was trying to cast
> the split output with "map", "long" etc, but it gives the error message
> that for it can not accept the non-string input.
>
> I tried to look around for split reference, but nowhere got its return type
> format information. It seems like string ['0xdeadfeed']. But it does not
> seem to be. If it is really string type, why cast from "map", "int", or
> "long" is giving me error message.
>
> I apologize for becoming the time sink. I am ready to become the time
> source.
>
> I have one more question though related to my same script. Please forgive me
> about this. If I am trying to write my text file in the same script and then
> tring to read back. For some reason, read file handle does not have any
> data.
>
> But if I have written to the text file and saved it and then trying to open
> it in read mode, I am able to read the data. Is there any delay required
> after writing the data to a file?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
> Thanks again,
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Alex Martelli <aleax at google.com> wrote:
>>
>> You should really study some of the basics of Python -- e.g. via the
>> mailing list http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor or any of
>> the other resources listed at
>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide -- this mailing list is for
>> the Bay Area Python Interest Group and not particularly suitable for
>> your questions.  In this case, you're appending to your list reg items
>> that are lists of strings (with one item only in each sublist,
>> apparently) and you apparently want to convert that list of lists of
>> strings to a list of integers -- and give no indication whatsoever
>> about what you mean to happen when one of the sublists has more than
>> one item (i.e. any of the text lines in file ask_it.txt [apart from
>> the first four] has more than one word), or any of the words are not a
>> correct representation for an integer, and so forth.  If you know the
>> "more than one word in a line" can never happen, then it makes no
>> sense to have that "datas = line.split()" call -- why are you
>> splitting unless >1 word is possible?!
>>
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is a document
>> really worth studying (quite apart from Python, ANY time you need to
>> ask technical questions) and it includes worthy quotes such as "What
>> we are, unapologetically, is hostile to people who seem to be
>> unwilling to think or to do their own homework before asking
>> questions. People like that are time sinks ? they take without giving
>> back, and they waste time we could have spent on another question more
>> interesting and another person more worthy of an answer."
>>
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:02 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have a test script as follows:
>> >
>> > import os
>> > import string
>> > cmd = './testtool  dump'
>> > res = os.popen(cmd).read()
>> > #print res
>> > #fout = open("ask_it.txt", "w")
>> > #fout.write(res)
>> > #fout.close
>> > reg_reset_val = []
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >
>> > print 'reg default values'
>> > for index, item in enumerate(reg_reset_val):
>> >  print index, item
>> >
>> > fin = open ("ask_it.txt", "r")
>> > i = 0
>> > reg = []
>> > linelist = fin.readlines()
>> > lines = len(linelist)
>> > for line in linelist:
>> >  i = i +1
>> >  if (i >= 5): # First four lines are bogus
>> >   datas = line.split()
>> >   reg.append(datas)
>> >   if i == lines:
>> >    break
>> > print 'the reg list is'
>> > for j, item in enumerate(reg):
>> >  print j, item
>> > print 'reg[0]'
>> > print reg[0]
>> > print 'reg_reset_val[0]0x%x'%reg_reset_val[0]
>> > #print reg_reset_val[0]
>> > if (reg[0] == reg_reset_val[0]):
>> >  print 'test passed'
>> > else:
>> >  print 'test failed'
>> >
>> >
>> > Calling to driver via IOCTL Control Memory Dump buf addr = 0x804d008.
>> > Returned from calling driver via IOCTL.
>> > IOCTL CTL Mem Dump char count
>> > Control Memory Dump:  Address 0xf8812000
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > I am expecting the "reg[0]" and "reg_reset_val[0]" to be the same. But
>> > reg[0] is list and has ['0xdeadfeed'] in it and reg_reset_val[0] has
>> > 0xdeadfeed in it. How can I convert the reg[0] to make it normal
>> > 0xdeadfeed.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 01:18:16 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:18:16 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is this a conversion problem? Can I get help to
	resolve this please?
In-Reply-To: <9bb4e5be0808261614g5b494ef9i2b23c0452c569bc4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>
	<55dc209b0808261326j11bf7457v33373c1e20575b2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808261556r3c38518fs1385dee11f371bd1@mail.gmail.com>
	<9bb4e5be0808261614g5b494ef9i2b23c0452c569bc4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b46e7b140808261618n5da75df2sbfd65f4a5dff46fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Joshua,

Got it. Thanks. I am misiing the "seek" part.

Thanks again,
David

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Joshua Gallagher <
joshua.gallagher at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> When you read and write into a file, you read and write at offsets.
> You can think of the offset as a moving cursor in the file.  In other
> words, if you create a new file and write 10 bytes in, your cursor is
> 10-bytes into the file.  If you perform another write, the write
> starts at byte 10.  By extension, if your cursor is at byte 10 of this
> new file and you do a read, there's nothing at the end of the file to
> read.
>
> If you've written to a file and want to reread it without closing it
> you need to seek (http://docs.python.org/lib/bltin-file-objects.html)
> if you have a file object or lseek
> (http://docs.python.org/lib/os-fd-ops.html) if you have a file
> descriptor.
>
> Joshua
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:56 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Alex,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply.
> >
> > Actually I had modified the text file before posting. It has four words
> in
> > one line seperated by space.  I was using the split with  space to get
> all
> > four words from a line. I was appending one word to my list (list of
> > strings).
> >
> > I was wondering once I am using split function whether it converts the
> > "numbers" from my text file to some particular formats. I was trying to
> cast
> > the split output with "map", "long" etc, but it gives the error message
> > that for it can not accept the non-string input.
> >
> > I tried to look around for split reference, but nowhere got its return
> type
> > format information. It seems like string ['0xdeadfeed']. But it does not
> > seem to be. If it is really string type, why cast from "map", "int", or
> > "long" is giving me error message.
> >
> > I apologize for becoming the time sink. I am ready to become the time
> > source.
> >
> > I have one more question though related to my same script. Please forgive
> me
> > about this. If I am trying to write my text file in the same script and
> then
> > tring to read back. For some reason, read file handle does not have any
> > data.
> >
> > But if I have written to the text file and saved it and then trying to
> open
> > it in read mode, I am able to read the data. Is there any delay required
> > after writing the data to a file?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Alex Martelli <aleax at google.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You should really study some of the basics of Python -- e.g. via the
> >> mailing list http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor or any of
> >> the other resources listed at
> >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide -- this mailing list is for
> >> the Bay Area Python Interest Group and not particularly suitable for
> >> your questions.  In this case, you're appending to your list reg items
> >> that are lists of strings (with one item only in each sublist,
> >> apparently) and you apparently want to convert that list of lists of
> >> strings to a list of integers -- and give no indication whatsoever
> >> about what you mean to happen when one of the sublists has more than
> >> one item (i.e. any of the text lines in file ask_it.txt [apart from
> >> the first four] has more than one word), or any of the words are not a
> >> correct representation for an integer, and so forth.  If you know the
> >> "more than one word in a line" can never happen, then it makes no
> >> sense to have that "datas = line.split()" call -- why are you
> >> splitting unless >1 word is possible?!
> >>
> >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is a document
> >> really worth studying (quite apart from Python, ANY time you need to
> >> ask technical questions) and it includes worthy quotes such as "What
> >> we are, unapologetically, is hostile to people who seem to be
> >> unwilling to think or to do their own homework before asking
> >> questions. People like that are time sinks ? they take without giving
> >> back, and they waste time we could have spent on another question more
> >> interesting and another person more worthy of an answer."
> >>
> >>
> >> Alex
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:02 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I have a test script as follows:
> >> >
> >> > import os
> >> > import string
> >> > cmd = './testtool  dump'
> >> > res = os.popen(cmd).read()
> >> > #print res
> >> > #fout = open("ask_it.txt", "w")
> >> > #fout.write(res)
> >> > #fout.close
> >> > reg_reset_val = []
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
> >> >
> >> > print 'reg default values'
> >> > for index, item in enumerate(reg_reset_val):
> >> >  print index, item
> >> >
> >> > fin = open ("ask_it.txt", "r")
> >> > i = 0
> >> > reg = []
> >> > linelist = fin.readlines()
> >> > lines = len(linelist)
> >> > for line in linelist:
> >> >  i = i +1
> >> >  if (i >= 5): # First four lines are bogus
> >> >   datas = line.split()
> >> >   reg.append(datas)
> >> >   if i == lines:
> >> >    break
> >> > print 'the reg list is'
> >> > for j, item in enumerate(reg):
> >> >  print j, item
> >> > print 'reg[0]'
> >> > print reg[0]
> >> > print 'reg_reset_val[0]0x%x'%reg_reset_val[0]
> >> > #print reg_reset_val[0]
> >> > if (reg[0] == reg_reset_val[0]):
> >> >  print 'test passed'
> >> > else:
> >> >  print 'test failed'
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Calling to driver via IOCTL Control Memory Dump buf addr = 0x804d008.
> >> > Returned from calling driver via IOCTL.
> >> > IOCTL CTL Mem Dump char count
> >> > Control Memory Dump:  Address 0xf8812000
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > 0xdeadfeed
> >> > I am expecting the "reg[0]" and "reg_reset_val[0]" to be the same. But
> >> > reg[0] is list and has ['0xdeadfeed'] in it and reg_reset_val[0] has
> >> > 0xdeadfeed in it. How can I convert the reg[0] to make it normal
> >> > 0xdeadfeed.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > David
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Baypiggies mailing list
> >> > Baypiggies at python.org
> >> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >> >
> >
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 01:21:05 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:21:05 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is this a conversion problem? Can I get help to
	resolve this please?
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808261607s39cea0f1rd0ce38f237605ef3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Sherman.

Thanks. It worked for me. My mistake. Sorry for being such a stupid.

I am forwarding the Sherman reply to the whole group. Just in case someone
need it
David


>
>   On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Shiqi Yang <sherman.yang at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> just saw reg[0] is a list type
>> in that case maybe
>> int(reg[0][0], 16) would work for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:28 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Sherman,
>> >
>> > With int(reg[0],16), I get the error message "TypeError: int() can't
>> convert
>> > non-string with explicit base."
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Shiqi Yang <sherman.yang at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi, David,
>> >>
>> >> you can give int(reg[0], 16) a try to see if that's what you want.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:02 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a test script as follows:
>> >> >
>> >> > import os
>> >> > import string
>> >> > cmd = './testtool  dump'
>> >> > res = os.popen(cmd).read()
>> >> > #print res
>> >> > #fout = open("ask_it.txt", "w")
>> >> > #fout.write(res)
>> >> > #fout.close
>> >> > reg_reset_val = []
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >> >
>> >> > print 'reg default values'
>> >> > for index, item in enumerate(reg_reset_val):
>> >> >  print index, item
>> >> >
>> >> > fin = open ("ask_it.txt", "r")
>> >> > i = 0
>> >> > reg = []
>> >> > linelist = fin.readlines()
>> >> > lines = len(linelist)
>> >> > for line in linelist:
>> >> >  i = i +1
>> >> >  if (i >= 5): # First four lines are bogus
>> >> >   datas = line.split()
>> >> >   reg.append(datas)
>> >> >   if i == lines:
>> >> >    break
>> >> > print 'the reg list is'
>> >> > for j, item in enumerate(reg):
>> >> >  print j, item
>> >> > print 'reg[0]'
>> >> > print reg[0]
>> >> > print 'reg_reset_val[0]0x%x'%reg_reset_val[0]
>> >> > #print reg_reset_val[0]
>> >> > if (reg[0] == reg_reset_val[0]):
>> >> >  print 'test passed'
>> >> > else:
>> >> >  print 'test failed'
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Calling to driver via IOCTL Control Memory Dump buf addr = 0x804d008.
>> >> > Returned from calling driver via IOCTL.
>> >> > IOCTL CTL Mem Dump char count
>> >> > Control Memory Dump:  Address 0xf8812000
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>> >> > I am expecting the "reg[0]" and "reg_reset_val[0]" to be the same.
>> But
>> >> > reg[0] is list and has ['0xdeadfeed'] in it and reg_reset_val[0] has
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed in it. How can I convert the reg[0] to make it normal
>> >> > 0xdeadfeed.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > David
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> >> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> >> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Sherman Yang
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sherman Yang
>>
>
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 01:25:04 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:25:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is this a conversion problem? Can I get help to
	resolve this please?
In-Reply-To: <b46e7b140808261621n7df5876fnaacbc7475a8ff03d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b46e7b140808261302o7e62691en59e9af138d6bdf64@mail.gmail.com>
	<ea8debc80808261323h7e356380t47c7b3d2cd65640a@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808261328n5a734003sb52be98599ebb260@mail.gmail.com>
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	<b46e7b140808261607s39cea0f1rd0ce38f237605ef3@mail.gmail.com>
	<b46e7b140808261621n7df5876fnaacbc7475a8ff03d@mail.gmail.com>
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Forgot to include Sherman's answer. It is given below:
just saw reg[0] is a list type
in that case maybe
*int(reg[0][0], 16) would work for you.*

- Show quoted text -



On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:28 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Sherman,
>
> With int(reg[0],16), I get the error message "TypeError: int() can't
convert
> non-string with explicit base."
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Shiqi Yang <sherman.yang at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi, David,
>>
>> you can give int(reg[0], 16) a try to see if that's what you want.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:02 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have a test script as follows:
>> >
>> > import os
>> > import string
>> > cmd = './testtool  dump'
>> > res = os.popen(cmd).read()
>> > #print res
>> > #fout = open("ask_it.txt", "w")
>> > #fout.write(res)
>> > #fout.close
>> > reg_reset_val = []
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>> >
>> > print 'reg default values'
>> > for index, item in enumerate(reg_reset_val):
>> >  print index, item
>> >
>> > fin = open ("ask_it.txt", "r")
>> > i = 0
>> > reg = []
>> > linelist = fin.readlines()
>> > lines = len(linelist)
>> > for line in linelist:
>> >  i = i +1
>> >  if (i >= 5): # First four lines are bogus
>> >   datas = line.split()
>> >   reg.append(datas)
>> >   if i == lines:
>> >    break
>> > print 'the reg list is'
>> > for j, item in enumerate(reg):
>> >  print j, item
>> > print 'reg[0]'
>> > print reg[0]
>> > print 'reg_reset_val[0]0x%x'%reg_reset_val[0]
>> > #print reg_reset_val[0]
>> > if (reg[0] == reg_reset_val[0]):
>> >  print 'test passed'
>> > else:
>> >  print 'test failed'
>> >
>> >
>> > Calling to driver via IOCTL Control Memory Dump buf addr = 0x804d008.
>> > Returned from calling driver via IOCTL.
>> > IOCTL CTL Mem Dump char count
>> > Control Memory Dump:  Address 0xf8812000
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > 0xdeadfeed
>> > I am expecting the "reg[0]" and "reg_reset_val[0]" to be the same. But
>> > reg[0] is list and has ['0xdeadfeed'] in it and reg_reset_val[0] has
>> > 0xdeadfeed in it. How can I convert the reg[0] to make it normal
>> > 0xdeadfeed.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sherman Yang
>
>




--
Sherman Yang

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Hi Sherman.
>
> Thanks. It worked for me. My mistake. Sorry for being such a stupid.
>
> I am forwarding the Sherman reply to the whole group. Just in case someone
> need it
>   David
>
>
>>
>>   On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Shiqi Yang <sherman.yang at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> just saw reg[0] is a list type
>>> in that case maybe
>>> int(reg[0][0], 16) would work for you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:28 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi Sherman,
>>> >
>>> > With int(reg[0],16), I get the error message "TypeError: int() can't
>>> convert
>>> > non-string with explicit base."
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Shiqi Yang <sherman.yang at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi, David,
>>> >>
>>> >> you can give int(reg[0], 16) a try to see if that's what you want.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:02 PM, David Elsen <elsen.david08 at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Hi all,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I have a test script as follows:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > import os
>>> >> > import string
>>> >> > cmd = './testtool  dump'
>>> >> > res = os.popen(cmd).read()
>>> >> > #print res
>>> >> > #fout = open("ask_it.txt", "w")
>>> >> > #fout.write(res)
>>> >> > #fout.close
>>> >> > reg_reset_val = []
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> > reg_reset_val.append(0xdeadfeed)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > print 'reg default values'
>>> >> > for index, item in enumerate(reg_reset_val):
>>> >> >  print index, item
>>> >> >
>>> >> > fin = open ("ask_it.txt", "r")
>>> >> > i = 0
>>> >> > reg = []
>>> >> > linelist = fin.readlines()
>>> >> > lines = len(linelist)
>>> >> > for line in linelist:
>>> >> >  i = i +1
>>> >> >  if (i >= 5): # First four lines are bogus
>>> >> >   datas = line.split()
>>> >> >   reg.append(datas)
>>> >> >   if i == lines:
>>> >> >    break
>>> >> > print 'the reg list is'
>>> >> > for j, item in enumerate(reg):
>>> >> >  print j, item
>>> >> > print 'reg[0]'
>>> >> > print reg[0]
>>> >> > print 'reg_reset_val[0]0x%x'%reg_reset_val[0]
>>> >> > #print reg_reset_val[0]
>>> >> > if (reg[0] == reg_reset_val[0]):
>>> >> >  print 'test passed'
>>> >> > else:
>>> >> >  print 'test failed'
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Calling to driver via IOCTL Control Memory Dump buf addr =
>>> 0x804d008.
>>> >> > Returned from calling driver via IOCTL.
>>> >> > IOCTL CTL Mem Dump char count
>>> >> > Control Memory Dump:  Address 0xf8812000
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed
>>> >> > I am expecting the "reg[0]" and "reg_reset_val[0]" to be the same.
>>> But
>>> >> > reg[0] is list and has ['0xdeadfeed'] in it and reg_reset_val[0] has
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed in it. How can I convert the reg[0] to make it normal
>>> >> > 0xdeadfeed.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks,
>>> >> > David
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>> >> > Baypiggies mailing list
>>> >> > Baypiggies at python.org
>>> >> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>>> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Sherman Yang
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sherman Yang
>>>
>>
>>
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 02:02:12 2008
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:02:12 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] os.path.join unexpected behavior on windows
Message-ID: <8540148a0808261702v5740b331m729730db47636e41@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

I have the following (simplified) code:
import os.path

z='/build'
x='m:/billdeeg.scons1'
print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))

x='m:/billdeeg.scons1/'
print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))

x='m:/billdeeg.scons1'
print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))

z='build'
print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))

z='/build'
x='n:'
print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))

x='n:/'
print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))

x='m:/billdeeg.scons1'
print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))



When I run it I get the following output:
C:\cygwin\home\billdeeg\tmp>python try_ospathjoin.py
X=>m:/billdeeg.scons1   z=>/build     Joined path is=>/build
X=>m:/billdeeg.scons1/  z=>/build     Joined path is=>/build
X=>m:/billdeeg.scons1   z=>/build     Joined path is=>/build
X=>m:/billdeeg.scons1   z=>build      Joined path is=>m:/billdeeg.scons1\build
X=>n:                   z=>/build     Joined path is=>n:/build
X=>n:/                  z=>/build     Joined path is=>n:/build
X=>m:/billdeeg.scons1   z=>/build     Joined path is=>/build


I would expect in all cases that I would get :
n:/build or m:/billdeeg.scons1/build
But as you can see in some cases that's not what I get.

Here's the docs about os.path.join:
join( path1[, path2[, ...]])

Join one or more path components intelligently. If any component is an
absolute path, all previous components (on Windows, including the
previous drive letter, if there was one) are thrown away, and joining
continues. The return value is the concatenation of path1, and
optionally path2, etc., with exactly one directory separator (os.sep)
inserted between components, unless path2 is empty. Note that on
Windows, since there is a current directory for each drive,
os.path.join("c:", "foo") represents a path relative to the current
directory on drive C: (c:foo), not c:\\foo.

I'm guessing I get : /build in because of the clause above about "if
any component is an absolute path...", is that correct?

So to get what I expect, looks like I need to insure that none of the
[1:] arguments start with a '/' or '\' ?

Thanks,
Bill

From Chris.Clark at ingres.com  Wed Aug 27 02:33:58 2008
From: Chris.Clark at ingres.com (Chris Clark)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:33:58 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] os.path.join unexpected behavior on windows
In-Reply-To: <8540148a0808261702v5740b331m729730db47636e41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a0808261702v5740b331m729730db47636e41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48B4A0F6.6010408@ingres.com>

Please excuse my top post.

I've had this issue too, I never worked out why, I just stick an 
os.path.abspath() around everything I want to display (using it as-is 
with the Python libs is fine, display is the only place it matters). E.g.

     >>> import os
     >>> os.path.abspath('m:/billdeeg.scons1\\build')
    'm:\\billdeeg.scons1\\build'
     >>>

and pretend it doesn't happen :-)

HTH

Chris

On 8/26/2008 5:02 PM, William Deegan wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I have the following (simplified) code:
> import os.path
>
> z='/build'
> x='m:/billdeeg.scons1'
> print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))
>
> x='m:/billdeeg.scons1/'
> print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))
>
> x='m:/billdeeg.scons1'
> print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))
>
> z='build'
> print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))
>
> z='/build'
> x='n:'
> print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))
>
> x='n:/'
> print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))
>
> x='m:/billdeeg.scons1'
> print  "X=>%-20s z=>%-10s Joined path is=>%s"%(x,z,os.path.join(x,z))
>
>
>
> When I run it I get the following output:
> C:\cygwin\home\billdeeg\tmp>python try_ospathjoin.py
> X=>m:/billdeeg.scons1   z=>/build     Joined path is=>/build
> X=>m:/billdeeg.scons1/  z=>/build     Joined path is=>/build
> X=>m:/billdeeg.scons1   z=>/build     Joined path is=>/build
> X=>m:/billdeeg.scons1   z=>build      Joined path is=>m:/billdeeg.scons1\build
> X=>n:                   z=>/build     Joined path is=>n:/build
> X=>n:/                  z=>/build     Joined path is=>n:/build
> X=>m:/billdeeg.scons1   z=>/build     Joined path is=>/build
>
>
> I would expect in all cases that I would get :
> n:/build or m:/billdeeg.scons1/build
> But as you can see in some cases that's not what I get.
>
> Here's the docs about os.path.join:
> join( path1[, path2[, ...]])
>
> Join one or more path components intelligently. If any component is an
> absolute path, all previous components (on Windows, including the
> previous drive letter, if there was one) are thrown away, and joining
> continues. The return value is the concatenation of path1, and
> optionally path2, etc., with exactly one directory separator (os.sep)
> inserted between components, unless path2 is empty. Note that on
> Windows, since there is a current directory for each drive,
> os.path.join("c:", "foo") represents a path relative to the current
> directory on drive C: (c:foo), not c:\\foo.
>
> I'm guessing I get : /build in because of the clause above about "if
> any component is an absolute path...", is that correct?
>
> So to get what I expect, looks like I need to insure that none of the
> [1:] arguments start with a '/' or '\' ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>   


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Aug 27 17:07:28 2008
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:07:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] os.path.join unexpected behavior on windows
In-Reply-To: <8540148a0808261702v5740b331m729730db47636e41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a0808261702v5740b331m729730db47636e41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080827150728.GA889@panix.com>

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008, William Deegan wrote:
>
> Here's the docs about os.path.join:
> join( path1[, path2[, ...]])
> 
> Join one or more path components intelligently. If any component is an
> absolute path, all previous components (on Windows, including the
> previous drive letter, if there was one) are thrown away, and joining
> continues. The return value is the concatenation of path1, and
> optionally path2, etc., with exactly one directory separator (os.sep)
> inserted between components, unless path2 is empty. Note that on
> Windows, since there is a current directory for each drive,
> os.path.join("c:", "foo") represents a path relative to the current
> directory on drive C: (c:foo), not c:\\foo.
> 
> I'm guessing I get : /build in because of the clause above about "if
> any component is an absolute path...", is that correct?

That seems correct; if you want more discussion I suggest you ask on
comp.lang.python
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From sherman.yang at gmail.com  Wed Aug 27 21:10:07 2008
From: sherman.yang at gmail.com (Shiqi Yang)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:10:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] translating shell environment variables
Message-ID: <ea8debc80808271210q47c5356ex81ade329f41df5f9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, My python code is reading some xml files that have several shell
style environment variables like "$_" or "$$".
for example:
<var name='tmp_log_file'>/tmp/$$.log</var>
I need to extract them and translate them into real value when I read the file.

Now I can only think of two ways of doing this,
1 is to have a big dictionary in my python code which have all the
mappings from shell to python os module(or others as well)
another way is to get shell involved and have it pre-process the file,
but I'm afraid that way some of the values may not be well translated
since the context switch (like the pids, etc).

Are there any python module that could help this kind of task?
or anyone has done similar work can share your experience?

Any help will be highly appreciated.

Thanks,

-- 
Sherman Yang

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 21:53:40 2008
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:53:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a newbie nugget presenter for Thursday,
	Sept 11th
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to present a "Newbie Nugget" for Sept 11th, please submit
your ideas to the list!

Thanks

From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 00:58:43 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:58:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a newbie nugget presenter for Thursday,
	Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808281558m6cf7e3fu6adf0459ebe64357@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you want to present a "Newbie Nugget" for Sept 11th, please submit
> your ideas to the list!

 * The format is that one person covers one topic.
 * Slides are optional.
 * Showing some code, perhaps in the Python shell, is required!
 * Pick something harder than for loops, but easier than metaclasses.
 * Topics include interesting bits of Python syntax, modules from the
standard library, and common third-party packages.

In short, pick something interesting that you use an intermediate or
advanced Python programmer, and introduce it to a newbie Python
programmer.

-jj

-- 
Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 00:59:12 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:59:12 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a newbie nugget presenter for Thursday,
	Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808281558m6cf7e3fu6adf0459ebe64357@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808281558m6cf7e3fu6adf0459ebe64357@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808281559qfa86c81j8cb22b8d57267d4e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If you want to present a "Newbie Nugget" for Sept 11th, please submit
>> your ideas to the list!
>
>  * The format is that one person covers one topic.
>  * Slides are optional.
>  * Showing some code, perhaps in the Python shell, is required!
>  * Pick something harder than for loops, but easier than metaclasses.
>  * Topics include interesting bits of Python syntax, modules from the
> standard library, and common third-party packages.
>
> In short, pick something interesting that you use an intermediate or
> advanced Python programmer, and introduce it to a newbie Python
> programmer.

I forgot to mention, you should limit your talk to 10 minutes.

-jj

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Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From progrium at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 01:14:04 2008
From: progrium at gmail.com (Jeff Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:14:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a newbie nugget presenter for Thursday,
	Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec47901a0808281614j4d68acbahccc5d49414f6445f@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be interested in sharing some functional programming stuff like lambdas
and higher order functions...

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com>wrote:

> If you want to present a "Newbie Nugget" for Sept 11th, please submit
> your ideas to the list!
>
> Thanks
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From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 01:42:27 2008
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:42:27 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a newbie nugget presenter for Thursday,
	Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <ec47901a0808281614j4d68acbahccc5d49414f6445f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec47901a0808281614j4d68acbahccc5d49414f6445f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Jeff Lindsay <progrium at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd be interested in sharing some functional programming stuff like lambdas
> and higher order functions...

+1

From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 03:17:15 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:17:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a newbie nugget presenter for Thursday,
	Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <ec47901a0808281614j4d68acbahccc5d49414f6445f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec47901a0808281614j4d68acbahccc5d49414f6445f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808281817p60990bb3ud9fddbce3d1e027e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Jeff Lindsay <progrium at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd be interested in sharing some functional programming stuff like lambdas
> and higher order functions...

+1

I loves me some closures!

-jj

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Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From cvrebert at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 03:30:43 2008
From: cvrebert at gmail.com (Chris Rebert)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:30:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a newbie nugget presenter for Thursday,
	Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808281817p60990bb3ud9fddbce3d1e027e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec47901a0808281614j4d68acbahccc5d49414f6445f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808281817p60990bb3ud9fddbce3d1e027e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47c890dc0808281830j67023214v21e833ff118bea55@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Jeff Lindsay <progrium at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd be interested in sharing some functional programming stuff like lambdas
>> and higher order functions...
>
> +1
>
> I loves me some closures!
>
> -jj
>
> --
> Don't you wish you had a really clever sig like mine?
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
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> Baypiggies at python.org
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Yes, perhaps the new "nonlocal" declaration from PEP 3104 could be
worked in too?
- Chris

From jim at well.com  Fri Aug 29 05:20:31 2008
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:20:31 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a newbie nugget presenter for	Thursday,
	Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90808281558m6cf7e3fu6adf0459ebe64357@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808281558m6cf7e3fu6adf0459ebe64357@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1219980031.22670.257.camel@ubuntu>


plan on taking about ten minutes, give or take 
a couple. 

On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:58 -0700, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If you want to present a "Newbie Nugget" for Sept 11th, please submit
> > your ideas to the list!
> 
>  * The format is that one person covers one topic.
>  * Slides are optional.
>  * Showing some code, perhaps in the Python shell, is required!
>  * Pick something harder than for loops, but easier than metaclasses.
>  * Topics include interesting bits of Python syntax, modules from the
> standard library, and common third-party packages.
> 
> In short, pick something interesting that you use an intermediate or
> advanced Python programmer, and introduce it to a newbie Python
> programmer.
> 
> -jj
> 


From bsergean at gmail.com  Fri Aug 29 22:05:38 2008
From: bsergean at gmail.com (Benjamin Sergeant)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:05:38 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a newbie nugget presenter for Thursday,
	Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <47c890dc0808281830j67023214v21e833ff118bea55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec47901a0808281614j4d68acbahccc5d49414f6445f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808281817p60990bb3ud9fddbce3d1e027e@mail.gmail.com>
	<47c890dc0808281830j67023214v21e833ff118bea55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1621f9fa0808291305w16770b37u5a2930592d4a25dd@mail.gmail.com>

> Yes, perhaps the new "nonlocal" declaration from PEP 3104 could be
> worked in too?
> - Chris

+1

Explaining the difference between nonlocal, global is a good idea. I
try to think about confusing stuff for C/C++ programmers. The semantic
of the = operator, how do you live without pointers ?

>>> A = [0,1]
>>> def add(A): A.append(2)
...
>>> add(A)
>>> A
[0, 1, 2]

Benjamin.

From jjinux at gmail.com  Sat Aug 30 01:19:26 2008
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:19:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a newbie nugget presenter for Thursday,
	Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <1621f9fa0808291305w16770b37u5a2930592d4a25dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0808281253y2d07a003h38cd077e1e14315b@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec47901a0808281614j4d68acbahccc5d49414f6445f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90808281817p60990bb3ud9fddbce3d1e027e@mail.gmail.com>
	<47c890dc0808281830j67023214v21e833ff118bea55@mail.gmail.com>
	<1621f9fa0808291305w16770b37u5a2930592d4a25dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90808291619n6b7e7f0bi7b828d3e5326f2fb@mail.gmail.com>

> Explaining the difference between nonlocal, global is a good idea.

Agreed.

> I
> try to think about confusing stuff for C/C++ programmers. The semantic
> of the = operator, how do you live without pointers ?
>
>>>> A = [0,1]
>>>> def add(A): A.append(2)
> ...
>>>> add(A)
>>>> A
> [0, 1, 2]

It's easy--everything's a pointer.  Even ints are pointers.  It's just
that ints are immutable, so they act like values.  However, under the
covers, they're really just pointers.

-jj

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