From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Oct  4 20:59:58 2006
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:59:58 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: [Tutor] what.built-in
In-Reply-To: <3775BF36-4FBF-11DB-873F-000A95EA5592@well.com>
References: <3775BF36-4FBF-11DB-873F-000A95EA5592@well.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90610041159p651b49d9hcd6efe6a28614241@mail.gmail.com>

$ python
Python 2.4.3 (#2, Apr 27 2006, 14:43:58)
[GCC 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> __builtins__
<module '__builtin__' (built-in)>
>>> dir(__builtins__)
['ArithmeticError', 'AssertionError', 'AttributeError',
'DeprecationWarning', 'EOFError', 'Ellipsis', 'EnvironmentError',
'Exception', 'False', 'FloatingPointError', 'FutureWarning',
'IOError', 'ImportError', 'IndentationError', 'IndexError',
'KeyError', 'KeyboardInterrupt', 'LookupError', 'MemoryError',
'NameError', 'None', 'NotImplemented', 'NotImplementedError',
'OSError', 'OverflowError', 'OverflowWarning',
'PendingDeprecationWarning', 'ReferenceError', 'RuntimeError',
'RuntimeWarning', 'StandardError', 'StopIteration', 'SyntaxError',
'SyntaxWarning', 'SystemError', 'SystemExit', 'TabError', 'True',
'TypeError', 'UnboundLocalError', 'UnicodeDecodeError',
'UnicodeEncodeError', 'UnicodeError', 'UnicodeTranslateError',
'UserWarning', 'ValueError', 'Warning', 'ZeroDivisionError', '_',
'__debug__', '__doc__', '__import__', '__name__', 'abs', 'apply',
'basestring', 'bool', 'buffer', 'callable', 'chr', 'classmethod',
'cmp', 'coerce', 'compile', 'complex', 'copyright', 'credits',
'delattr', 'dict', 'dir', 'divmod', 'enumerate', 'eval', 'execfile',
'exit', 'file', 'filter', 'float', 'frozenset', 'getattr', 'globals',
'hasattr', 'hash', 'help', 'hex', 'id', 'input', 'int', 'intern',
'isinstance', 'issubclass', 'iter', 'len', 'license', 'list',
'locals', 'long', 'map', 'max', 'min', 'object', 'oct', 'open', 'ord',
'pow', 'property', 'quit', 'range', 'raw_input', 'reduce', 'reload',
'repr', 'reversed', 'round', 'set', 'setattr', 'slice', 'sorted',
'staticmethod', 'str', 'sum', 'super', 'tuple', 'type', 'unichr',
'unicode', 'vars', 'xrange', 'zip']

Does that help?

Note that just because everything is an object and because these are
builtins that these are built into "object"; they aren't.  Also note
that not all the builtins are functions.  There's all kinds of stuff.

-jj

On 9/29/06, jim stockford <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: jim stockford <jim at well.com>
> > Date: September 29, 2006 6:24:31 AM PDT
> > To: tutor at python.org
> > Subject: [Tutor] what.built-in
> >
> > from
> > http://docs.python.org/lib/built-in-funcs.html
> > some functions are always available--the built-in functions.
> >
> > (from elsewhere) everything in python is an object.
> >
> > --------------------
> >
> > hey, from abs() to zip() there's type() and super() and str()
> > and setattr() and ... dir() and... they're the built-ins
> >
> > my question: what.abs()  what.zip() etc.?
> >
> > I think there must be a base object, a la java or Nextstep,
> > that supports these functions. what is it?
> >
> > maybe it's not practical, but it's driving me nuts anyway.
> > thanks in advance.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tutor maillist  -  Tutor at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>
>


-- 
The one who gets the last laugh isn't the one who did the laughing,
but rather the one who did the writing.

From jim at well.com  Wed Oct  4 23:31:22 2006
From: jim at well.com (jim stockford)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:31:22 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: [Tutor] what.built-in
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90610041159p651b49d9hcd6efe6a28614241@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3775BF36-4FBF-11DB-873F-000A95EA5592@well.com>
	<c41f67b90610041159p651b49d9hcd6efe6a28614241@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE1B38E9-53EF-11DB-873F-000A95EA5592@well.com>


you bet it helps. i have to think some more, of course.

On Oct 4, 2006, at 11:59 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:

> $ python
> Python 2.4.3 (#2, Apr 27 2006, 14:43:58)
> [GCC 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>> __builtins__
> <module '__builtin__' (built-in)>
>>>> dir(__builtins__)
> ['ArithmeticError', 'AssertionError', 'AttributeError',
> 'DeprecationWarning', 'EOFError', 'Ellipsis', 'EnvironmentError',
> 'Exception', 'False', 'FloatingPointError', 'FutureWarning',
> 'IOError', 'ImportError', 'IndentationError', 'IndexError',
> 'KeyError', 'KeyboardInterrupt', 'LookupError', 'MemoryError',
> 'NameError', 'None', 'NotImplemented', 'NotImplementedError',
> 'OSError', 'OverflowError', 'OverflowWarning',
> 'PendingDeprecationWarning', 'ReferenceError', 'RuntimeError',
> 'RuntimeWarning', 'StandardError', 'StopIteration', 'SyntaxError',
> 'SyntaxWarning', 'SystemError', 'SystemExit', 'TabError', 'True',
> 'TypeError', 'UnboundLocalError', 'UnicodeDecodeError',
> 'UnicodeEncodeError', 'UnicodeError', 'UnicodeTranslateError',
> 'UserWarning', 'ValueError', 'Warning', 'ZeroDivisionError', '_',
> '__debug__', '__doc__', '__import__', '__name__', 'abs', 'apply',
> 'basestring', 'bool', 'buffer', 'callable', 'chr', 'classmethod',
> 'cmp', 'coerce', 'compile', 'complex', 'copyright', 'credits',
> 'delattr', 'dict', 'dir', 'divmod', 'enumerate', 'eval', 'execfile',
> 'exit', 'file', 'filter', 'float', 'frozenset', 'getattr', 'globals',
> 'hasattr', 'hash', 'help', 'hex', 'id', 'input', 'int', 'intern',
> 'isinstance', 'issubclass', 'iter', 'len', 'license', 'list',
> 'locals', 'long', 'map', 'max', 'min', 'object', 'oct', 'open', 'ord',
> 'pow', 'property', 'quit', 'range', 'raw_input', 'reduce', 'reload',
> 'repr', 'reversed', 'round', 'set', 'setattr', 'slice', 'sorted',
> 'staticmethod', 'str', 'sum', 'super', 'tuple', 'type', 'unichr',
> 'unicode', 'vars', 'xrange', 'zip']
>
> Does that help?
>
> Note that just because everything is an object and because these are
> builtins that these are built into "object"; they aren't.  Also note
> that not all the builtins are functions.  There's all kinds of stuff.
>
> -jj
>
> On 9/29/06, jim stockford <jim at well.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> > From: jim stockford <jim at well.com>
>> > Date: September 29, 2006 6:24:31 AM PDT
>> > To: tutor at python.org
>> > Subject: [Tutor] what.built-in
>> >
>> > from
>> > http://docs.python.org/lib/built-in-funcs.html
>> > some functions are always available--the built-in functions.
>> >
>> > (from elsewhere) everything in python is an object.
>> >
>> > --------------------
>> >
>> > hey, from abs() to zip() there's type() and super() and str()
>> > and setattr() and ... dir() and... they're the built-ins
>> >
>> > my question: what.abs()  what.zip() etc.?
>> >
>> > I think there must be a base object, a la java or Nextstep,
>> > that supports these functions. what is it?
>> >
>> > maybe it's not practical, but it's driving me nuts anyway.
>> > thanks in advance.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Tutor maillist  -  Tutor at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> The one who gets the last laugh isn't the one who did the laughing,
> but rather the one who did the writing.
>


From bob at redivi.com  Thu Oct  5 04:54:54 2006
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:54:54 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: [Tutor] what.built-in
In-Reply-To: <451D45CF.9010207@sbcglobal.net>
References: <3775BF36-4FBF-11DB-873F-000A95EA5592@well.com>
	<451D45CF.9010207@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <6a36e7290610041954p21b39988r7a5749d8965114e9@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/29/06, Laurence Clark <hsuclarklarry at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>  And what this about "new style objects". Do they have a "new style" common
> base class?

New style classes have a metaclass of type. Usually this means they
are a subclass of object. This changes the behavior of some of the
__special_methods__ and it's a requiment for descriptors (such as the
property, staticmethod, and classmethod built-ins). The metaclass can
be set in the class dictionary (in the class body usually), or as a
global in the module that the class is defined in. Metaclasses are
also inherited, so subclasses of new style classes will be a new style
class.

>>> class NewStyle(object):
...     pass
...
>>> type(NewStyle), type(NewStyle())
(<type 'type'>, <class '__main__.NewStyle'>)


>>> class AlsoNewStyle:
...     __metaclass__ = type
...
>>> type(AlsoNewStyle), type(AlsoNewStyle())
(<type 'type'>, <class '__main__.AlsoNewStyle'>)


>>> class OldStyle:
...     pass
...
>>> type(OldStyle), type(OldStyle())
(<type 'classobj'>, <type 'instance'>)


>>> __metaclass__ = type
>>> class NewStyleFromGlobal:
...     pass
...
>>> type(NewStyleFromGlobal), type(NewStyleFromGlobal())
(<type 'type'>, <class '__main__.NewStyleFromGlobal'>)


-bob

From k3vin.steele at gmail.com  Thu Oct  5 19:24:50 2006
From: k3vin.steele at gmail.com (Kevin Steele)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] CodeCamp python presentations
Message-ID: <c995c4060610051024j379699acpd0d43d70eb27a78f@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you interested, CodeCamp is this weekend at Foothill College.
There are at least two sessions based on Python:
*  IronPython - Python programming for .NET by Mahesh Prakriya
    http://www.siliconvalley-codecamp.com/Sessions.aspx?OnlyOne=true&id=29
*  Programming Microsoft Office using Python by Wesly Chun
    http://www.siliconvalley-codecamp.com/Sessions.aspx?OnlyOne=true&id=30

Fore more info about other CodeCamp sessions and directions times, etc. go to
http://www.siliconvalley-codecamp.com

Btw, CodeCamp is FREE and includes a lunch and BBQ dinner Saturday.

-kevin steele

From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Oct  6 02:17:37 2006
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:17:37 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] wanted: Sr. Web UI Engineer
Message-ID: <c41f67b90610051717t3f986373n4ed224a5883cda42@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, we're looking for a Sr. Web UI Engineer.  We're a Python shop.
You'll get to work with the famous Mitch Kapor as well as me (not
famous at all).  More details:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sof/216596574.html

Happy Hacking!
-jj

-- 
The one who gets the last laugh isn't the one who did the laughing,
but rather the one who did the writing.

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  7 00:04:11 2006
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:04:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] October Meeting-?
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0610061504o721b7443u7340493690ffec9b@mail.gmail.com>

Are we having a meeting this month?
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From DennisR at dair.com  Sat Oct  7 00:14:59 2006
From: DennisR at dair.com (Dennis Reinhardt)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:14:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] October Meeting-?
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0610061504o721b7443u7340493690ffec9b@mail.gmail.co
 m>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20061006151249.00c28750@localhost>

At 03:04 PM 10/6/2006, Tony Cappellini wrote:

>Are we having a meeting this month?

Thank for reminder.  I usually wait until today to announce the list so 
that people do not show up on the wrong Thursday.

Thursday Oct. 12, 2006

7:30-8:50 p.m.  Technical Program
Title:          Better, faster, smarter.
                 Python yesterday, today... and tomorrow
Presenter:      Alex Martelli
Audience:       assume working knowledge of Python 2.2 or later
Material URL:   http://www.aleax.it/Python/py25.pdf
About the talk: The new core features and libraries of recently released
                 Python 2.5 are described.  The talk starts with Python 2.2
                 and traces the evolution of releases to build context for
                 what is new in 2.5.

8:50 p.m-...    Mapping and Random Access
Mapping Moderator:  Dennis Reinhardt (WinAjax):
                 Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement open to all
                 of topic headings (one speaker at a time).

                 Random Access session (everyone breaks up into self-organized
                 small-group discussion) follows immediately after Mapping.


----------------------------------
| Dennis    | DennisR at dair.com   |
| Reinhardt | http://WinAjax.com |
----------------------------------


From DennisR at dair.com  Sat Oct  7 22:49:19 2006
From: DennisR at dair.com (Dennis Reinhardt)
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:49:19 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] October Meeting-?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20061006151249.00c28750@localhost>
References: <8249c4ac0610061504o721b7443u7340493690ffec9b@mail.gmail.co m>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20061007134517.00c2f208@localhost>


>Thursday Oct. 12, 2006
>Title:         Better, faster, smarter.
>                Python yesterday, today... and tomorrow
>Presenter:    Alex Martelli

Further, here is the current plan for the 5 months following this month's 
meeting:

   Nov. 09: Russ Paielli - Air Traffic Control
   Dec. 14: [various] Laser Controlled Presentation(s) + IDE
   Jan. 11: open
   Feb. 08: open
   Mar. 08: open




----------------------------------
| Dennis    | DennisR at dair.com   |
| Reinhardt | http://WinAjax.com |
----------------------------------


From mrbmahoney at gmail.com  Mon Oct  9 18:49:41 2006
From: mrbmahoney at gmail.com (Brian Mahoney)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:49:41 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Dinner Announcement - Thursday, Oct 12, 6 pm
Message-ID: <5538c19b0610090949sb9c1f2fo6c4ad912e6df5059@mail.gmail.com>

For Thursday, Oct 12, I can coordinate a pre-meeting
dinner in Mountain View, before the BayPIGgies meeting
at Google ( Meeting details http://baypiggies.net/ )
(Oct 12 agenda http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.org.baypiggies/1603/focus=1603
)

Restaurant RVSPs may be sent to my email until
Thursday afternoon (earlier is better). We eat family-style,
there are vegetarian and non-vegetarian dishes.  Cost around
$10 per person, including tax and tip. Bring cash, please.

Start dinner at 6pm and I will keep things moving so that we
finish and get everyone headed towards Google to
complete sign-in before the 7:30 meeting start.

The restaurant is Cafe Yulong in downtown Mountain View
(650) 960-1677
743 W Dana Street, 1/2 block from Castro where
Books, Inc is on the corner.
Parking lots all around, but downtown Mountain View
parking is still difficult.

It is a slightly out of the ordinary Chinese
restaurant.  This link has a downtown map and
additional information.
http://www.mountainviewca.net/restaurants/cafeyulong.html

I've made reservations under "Python" for 6pm
Thursday.

If you wish to join us for dinner please e-mail me
by 3 pm Thursday (earlier is better) so I may confirm
the headcount.

From krishna2 at krishna2.com  Tue Oct 10 00:15:53 2006
From: krishna2 at krishna2.com (Krishna Srinivasan)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:15:53 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python2.5 and readline
Message-ID: <452ACA19.2070201@krishna2.com>


Greetings.

I installed Python2.5 and 'import readline' gives an error.
(long back had a readline auto completion thing
in my python start up file).

Even if I try using my old python executable
(python2.4) which used to have this functionality,
I get the "cannot import readline" error.
 From the docs, it looks like this module should
be automatically available for unix systems.

This is on a redhat linux box.

Any suggestions ?

Thanks,
Krishna.

From wescpy at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 03:39:25 2006
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:39:25 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python2.5 and readline
In-Reply-To: <452ACA19.2070201@krishna2.com>
References: <452ACA19.2070201@krishna2.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580610091839o4c1c5b0dqdb5b5b264eda334e@mail.gmail.com>

> I installed Python2.5 and 'import readline' gives an error.
>
> Even if I try using my old python executable
> (python2.4) which used to have this functionality,
> I get the "cannot import readline" error.
>  From the docs, it looks like this module should
> be automatically available for unix systems.


i've had this problem lately as well, during the 2.4 and 2.5
timeframe.  i believe the systems that i have been using (a variety of
Linux) *did* have readline installed, but ./configure hadn't been able
to find the libreadline.so file.  unfortunately my external box is
down at the moment so i can't give you the exact recipe, but i
basically had to manually create/add/update a CPP_LIBRARY_PATH(sp?)
and LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variables so that configure could pick
up the right directory containing the readline library and its header
files.

hope this helps!
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From lhawthorn at google.com  Tue Oct 10 17:18:09 2006
From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reminder: Please Register on the Wiki
Message-ID: <4869cee70610100818k97f059dq9409bebea8e03171@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

If you'll be attending the upcoming BayPIGigies meeting at Google this
Thursday, October 12th, please register on the wiki at
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings.  Please register by 2
PM on Wednesday, October 11th.  If you are not able to add yourself before
this time, you may need to sign in at reception upon arrival.

Best,
LH

-- 
Leslie Hawthorn
Open Source Program Office
Google Inc.
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From rmardhani at claddaghresources.net  Wed Oct 11 15:53:42 2006
From: rmardhani at claddaghresources.net (Rozina Mardhani)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:53:42 -0400
Subject: [Baypiggies] Senior Developer needed - Large firm
Message-ID: <003601c6ed3c$aa488d60$6c00a8c0@Khazaddum>

Hello,

 

Just wanted to let you know of another opening that we have available with
our client and wanted to check with you to see if either you may be
interested or someone you know may be looking

 

Claddagh Resources (Atlanta, GA, USA)

Position is with client of Claddagh Resources in Cleveland, OH, USA

 

**Job Description**: 

 

Title: Senior Developer - Web Applications

 

Skills: Python/ C++ / Java / pHp, Unix / Linux / Irix, OO

 

Type of position: FULLTIME

 

Our Client: Large established company with its world headquarters in
Cleveland, and international leader in providing Internet Content. Their
multi-channel distribution network provides unparalleled reach across
retail, web, and wireless. Among other accomplishments, these flagship
partnerships include dozens of top-name retailers... all major Net
portals...

 

Our client - a python shop, is currently looking for Senior Developers with
4+ years of experience in Object Oriented Programming (preferably PYTHON)
along with solid web based application development experience.

 

Benefits: Benefits include attractive salary, comprehensive compensation
package includes: Health, Vision, Dental, Retirement plans incl 401K,
Flexible spending accounts (FSA), Holidays, Vacation, FREE PARKING,
Professional Development (Tuition Reimbursement), Onsite ATM, Subsidized
Cafeteria, etc. RELOCATION MAY BE COVERED as well

 

 

Responsibilities:

 

. Responsibilities include customized application development and
integration using Python, Java, J2EE, PHP/Perl, and other OO languages.

 

. Primarily responsible for back-end integration of a variety of web-based
applications

 

. Extensively work with multiple LARGE partners' systems and apps and Web
Services / SOA

 

. Participate in full life cycle development

 

. May lead teams of junior developers and/or parsers

 

. May be exposed to Mobile and other new technologies

 

 

Requirements:

 

. 4+ years of experience with C++ and/or Java

 

. Solid knowledge of Backend application development and integration

 

. Working with Python is a Big Plus

 

. 2+ years of experience with SQL * working with Oracle is a Plus

 

. 1-3+ years of experience doing web / Internet development

 

. 1+ years of experience with Unix * Linux and Irix are plusses

 

. Working knowledge of HTML, Java script, Internet architectures is required

 

. Experience with SOA / Web Services would be preferred

 

 

* **Contact**: Rozina Mardhani

* **Email of contact**: rmardhani at claddaghresources.net 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

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Sr. Recruiter

Claddagh Resources

678-405-4400 Ext. 211

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From wescpy at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 19:41:03 2006
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:41:03 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] ANN: Advanced Python training course, Nov 8-10,
	San Francisco
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580610111039hf332877ke9433cc0760143c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78b3a9580610111039hf332877ke9433cc0760143c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9580610111041l77d8d9f9yd08587ad9c65e96@mail.gmail.com>

FINAL REMINDER... we still have some seats left!

What:  Advanced Python Programming
When:  Nov 8-10 2006
Where: San Francisco (SFO/San Bruno), CA, USA

http://cyberwebconsulting.com (click on "Python Training")

This course, meant to follow our in-depth introduction class, adds new
tools to the Python programmer's toolkit. We explore advanced topics
such as: network programming with sockets, Internet clients, GUI
development, Web/CGI, databases/SQL, Extending Python with C, threads,
etc. Lectures and lab will get attendees comfortable developing
applications in these areas.

Come join us near SFO for another rigorous Python training event
taught by software engineer, "Core Python Programming" author, and
technical instructor, Wesley Chun. This course will take place in San
Bruno at the:

Staybridge Suites
San Francisco Airport
1350 Huntington Ave
San Bruno, CA  94066 USA
+1-650-588-0770

LOCALS: accessible from the entire Bay Area: parking + easy
101/280/380 access, across the street from San Bruno BART and up the
street from San Bruno CalTrain stations

The cost is $1295 per attendee. Discounts available. For more
information and registration, go to the website above.

2007 CALENDAR: Feb 7-9 (Intro), May 16-18 (Advanced), Aug 20-22 (Intro)

hope to see you in class!
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From cvanarsdall at mvista.com  Thu Oct 12 02:14:44 2006
From: cvanarsdall at mvista.com (Carl J. Van Arsdall)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:14:44 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tomorrows meeting
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20061006151249.00c28750@localhost>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20061006151249.00c28750@localhost>
Message-ID: <452D88F4.3060007@mvista.com>

Forgive me if this is a silly question, but in the past wasn't there 
pre-meeting registration for google meetings?  I was trying to find the 
link on the bay piggies website so that I could be responsible, but I'm 
not finding it.  Is pre-registration no longer required?

Thanks!

-carl

-- 

Carl J. Van Arsdall
cvanarsdall at mvista.com
Build and Release
MontaVista Software


From lhawthorn at google.com  Thu Oct 12 03:27:07 2006
From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:27:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tomorrows meeting
In-Reply-To: <452D88F4.3060007@mvista.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20061006151249.00c28750@localhost>
	<452D88F4.3060007@mvista.com>
Message-ID: <4869cee70610111827x4eb68ddfk41b195ddda267ec@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Carl,

On 10/11/06, Carl J. Van Arsdall <cvanarsdall at mvista.com> wrote:
>
> Forgive me if this is a silly question, but in the past wasn't there
> pre-meeting registration for google meetings?  I was trying to find the
> link on the bay piggies website so that I could be responsible, but I'm
> not finding it.  Is pre-registration no longer required?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -carl


The registration wiki is here:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings

Cheers,
LH




-- 
Leslie Hawthorn
Open Source Program Office
Google Inc.
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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Oct 12 03:37:52 2006
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tomorrows meeting
In-Reply-To: <452D88F4.3060007@mvista.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20061006151249.00c28750@localhost>
	<452D88F4.3060007@mvista.com>
Message-ID: <452D9C70.5080200@personnelware.com>

Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
> Forgive me if this is a silly question, but in the past wasn't there 
> pre-meeting registration for google meetings?  I was trying to find the 
> link on the bay piggies website so that I could be responsible, but I'm 
> not finding it.  Is pre-registration no longer required?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -carl
> 


Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
 > Forgive me if this is a silly question, but in the past wasn't there
 > pre-meeting registration for google meetings?  I was trying to find the
 > link on the bay piggies website so that I could be responsible, but I'm
 > not finding it.  Is pre-registration no longer required?
 >
 > Thanks!
 >
 > -carl
 >

Better hurry.  maybe if you log in from Alaaska?

http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings.  "Please register by 2
PM on Wednesday, October 11th.  If you are not able to add yourself before
this time, you may need to sign in at reception upon arrival."


Carl K

From mac at Wireless.Com  Thu Oct 12 03:23:20 2006
From: mac at Wireless.Com (Mike Cheponis)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:23:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tomorrows meeting
In-Reply-To: <452D88F4.3060007@mvista.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20061006151249.00c28750@localhost>
	<452D88F4.3060007@mvista.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.0610111820380.751@S.culver.net>

The "link" is that you edit http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings  to include your name on the attendee list.

http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings?action=edit takes you right there.  Add you name to the end of the October 12, 2006 list.

-Mike


On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:

> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:14:44 -0700
> From: Carl J. Van Arsdall <cvanarsdall at mvista.com>
> To: Python <baypiggies at python.org>
> Subject: [Baypiggies] Tomorrows meeting
> 
> Forgive me if this is a silly question, but in the past wasn't there
> pre-meeting registration for google meetings?  I was trying to find the
> link on the bay piggies website so that I could be responsible, but I'm
> not finding it.  Is pre-registration no longer required?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -carl
>
> -- 
>
> Carl J. Van Arsdall
> cvanarsdall at mvista.com
> Build and Release
> MontaVista Software
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>


From cvanarsdall at mvista.com  Thu Oct 12 18:42:15 2006
From: cvanarsdall at mvista.com (Carl J. Van Arsdall)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:42:15 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tomorrows meeting
In-Reply-To: <452D9C70.5080200@personnelware.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20061006151249.00c28750@localhost>
	<452D88F4.3060007@mvista.com> <452D9C70.5080200@personnelware.com>
Message-ID: <452E7067.4090604@mvista.com>

Carl Karsten wrote:
> Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
>> Forgive me if this is a silly question, but in the past wasn't there 
>> pre-meeting registration for google meetings?  I was trying to find 
>> the link on the bay piggies website so that I could be responsible, 
>> but I'm not finding it.  Is pre-registration no longer required?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -carl
>>
>
>
> Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
> > Forgive me if this is a silly question, but in the past wasn't there
> > pre-meeting registration for google meetings?  I was trying to find the
> > link on the bay piggies website so that I could be responsible, but I'm
> > not finding it.  Is pre-registration no longer required?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -carl
> >
>
> Better hurry.  maybe if you log in from Alaaska?

Lol, alright, i'm confused... alaska?
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings.  "Please 
> register by 2
> PM on Wednesday, October 11th.  If you are not able to add yourself 
> before
> this time, you may need to sign in at reception upon arrival."

Doh!  Well, Hopefully they will still let me in!

-carl

-- 

Carl J. Van Arsdall
cvanarsdall at mvista.com
Build and Release
MontaVista Software


From lhawthorn at google.com  Thu Oct 12 18:46:42 2006
From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:46:42 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tomorrows meeting
In-Reply-To: <452E7067.4090604@mvista.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20061006151249.00c28750@localhost>
	<452D88F4.3060007@mvista.com> <452D9C70.5080200@personnelware.com>
	<452E7067.4090604@mvista.com>
Message-ID: <4869cee70610120946t364cb46fv194ebd58298817cc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Carl,

On 10/12/06, Carl J. Van Arsdall <cvanarsdall at mvista.com> wrote:

> Doh!  Well, Hopefully they will still let me in!
>
> -carl


You'll just need to sign in when you arrive this evening.  It will take less
than two minutes.  :)

Best,
LH




-- 
Leslie Hawthorn
Open Source Program Office
Google Inc.
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From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 14 03:29:55 2006
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:29:55 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python memory monitor?
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0610131829p6e65592fhaa636616995cb46@mail.gmail.com>

Someone mentioned a memory monitor program last night.

Does anyone remember the name/ location?


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From nnorwitz at gmail.com  Sat Oct 14 03:35:06 2006
From: nnorwitz at gmail.com (Neal Norwitz)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:35:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python memory monitor?
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0610131829p6e65592fhaa636616995cb46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0610131829p6e65592fhaa636616995cb46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee2a432c0610131835m6b4535a4qb984dc27b2d047e2@mail.gmail.com>

http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/

On 10/13/06, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned a memory monitor program last night.
>
> Does anyone remember the name/ location?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>
>

From jjinux at gmail.com  Tue Oct 17 22:04:52 2006
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:04:52 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Foxmarks: We Just Launched!
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90610171258n498b03cco214da2225b96a561@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90610171258n498b03cco214da2225b96a561@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90610171304i435fcc00v9c913d07c893ccb6@mail.gmail.com>

Please forgive the shameless plug, but:

http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2006/10/foxmarks-we-just-launched.html

I thought twice about spam^H^H^H^Hnotifying you guys, but you may
appreciate that almost all the code is written in Python.  During this
release, we replaced the last bit of Java we were using with a server
written using Twisted ;)

Happy Hacking!
-jj

--
The one who gets the last laugh isn't the one who did the laughing,
but rather the one who did the writing.

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 17 22:52:06 2006
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:52:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Foxmarks: We Just Launched!
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90610171304i435fcc00v9c913d07c893ccb6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY117-F3051A06B190E7E4E032039A00E0@phx.gbl>

Good for you JJ,

Apologies if this is also marginally on-topic.

Why not do mail contacts too?
I've been thinking that a useful application that I would pay $$ for would
synchronize Skype contacts list, Palm Desktop, Hotmail, Google Apps and 
other mail contacts lists. It would understand grouping and allow me to 
specify which bookmarks/contacts to
import according to group.

MS-Outlook is used as a contacts conduit by many apps e.g. LinkedIn.com

The current best Skype conduit is supposedly Pamela 
http://www.pamela-systems.com/

PS Your user feedback on https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2410/ is not 
good.

Regards,
Stephen

_________________________________________________________________
Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with 
Live Search! 
http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline


From todd at agulnick.com  Wed Oct 18 17:34:32 2006
From: todd at agulnick.com (Todd Agulnick)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:34:32 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Foxmarks: We Just Launched!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.65.1161165615.2899.baypiggies@python.org>
References: <mailman.65.1161165615.2899.baypiggies@python.org>
Message-ID: <45364988.3010402@agulnick.com>


> PS Your user feedback on https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2410/ is not 
> good.
>
>   

Actually, the feedback has been excellent despite what you currently see 
on that page: feedback from two users, one of whom didn't actually 
install the extension, and another who got himself into trouble from 
which we would have been happy to help him recover had he contacted us 
(or looked at our FAQ), but instead took matters into his own hands and 
was disappointed with the results.

Those are the two most recent comments, the by-product of nearly 300,000 
downloads. If you look deeper 
(https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2410/comments/), a very different 
picture emerges: people who use Foxmarks really love it. It does 
something simple, but the people who need what it does *really* need it, 
and it does it quite well.

But who cares about the extension! It's just a big pile of Javascript. 
The server is all Python, and, as JJ suggested, it rocks. ;-)

Happy you-know-what,

-Todd



From lhawthorn at google.com  Wed Oct 18 18:41:29 2006
From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:41:29 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] October 12th Meeting on Google Video
Message-ID: <4869cee70610180941v45f869f9j35d344c0cf3c7fe1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Alex Martelli's talk is now live at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4539942226071440048

Our technical speaker's team is checking into the whereabouts of Donna
Snow's presentation from September.

Cheers,
LH

-- 
Leslie Hawthorn
Open Source Program Office
Google Inc.
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From marilyn at deliberate.com  Wed Oct 18 19:49:14 2006
From: marilyn at deliberate.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:49:14 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Fast!
Message-ID: <20061018182911.88B111E4004@bag.python.org>

If you want to zip through the core of Python in a weekend, this is the course for you.  Check out the details at:

http://www.ucsc-extension.edu/ucsc/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=3007541

This course is for people who already know how to program in some other language.

We meet in a Windows lab and get a little practice on a lot of concepts.  Fun, but intense.

Marilyn Davis



From eric at ericwalstad.com  Thu Oct 19 05:08:17 2006
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:08:17 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Foxmarks: We Just Launched!
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b90610171304i435fcc00v9c913d07c893ccb6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b90610171258n498b03cco214da2225b96a561@mail.gmail.com>
	<c41f67b90610171304i435fcc00v9c913d07c893ccb6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1161227297.7428.5.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2006-10-17 at 13:04 -0700, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> Please forgive the shameless plug, but:
> 
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2006/10/foxmarks-we-just-launched.html
> 
> I thought twice about spam^H^H^H^Hnotifying you guys, but you may
> appreciate that almost all the code is written in Python.  During this
> release, we replaced the last bit of Java we were using with a server
> written using Twisted ;)
> 
> Happy Hacking!
> -jj

Hi JJ,

I gave foxmarks a try and I like it.  It's allowed me to normalize my
bookmarks across my 3 workstations without having to scp/edit the
bookmarks.html file around to each machine.  Simple.

Nice work.  Congrats to you and your team.  Yay Python :)

Best,

Eric.



From lhawthorn at google.com  Mon Oct 23 00:20:56 2006
From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:20:56 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
Message-ID: <4869cee70610221520j49aca265u8f46dd999a4f04e0@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I've checked in with the team that does our video editing and it seems the
tape for the September meeting has gone missing.  My sincere apologies to
all and especially to September's presenter, Donna Snow.

Donna, perhaps you'd like to do a repeat of your Plone presentation for us
at some time?

Best,
LH

-- 
Leslie Hawthorn
Open Source Program Office
Google Inc.
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From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Mon Oct 23 03:09:45 2006
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:09:45 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
In-Reply-To: <4869cee70610221520j49aca265u8f46dd999a4f04e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4869cee70610221520j49aca265u8f46dd999a4f04e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <baf0d46b0610221809u7870fe87i8816b4c3e256e7cc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm in Seattle, Washington at the Plone conference... preparing for
another presentation (this time on Plone blogs). The conference
actually starts on Wednesday (I'm presenting on Thursday morning) but
I'm taking Plone skinning course from Joel Burton tomorrow and
Tuesday..


I think since that was my first presentation in a long, long time that
a do-over would be awesome. And maybe I can take some requests on
topics to cover? Or invite some other user group to participate.. I
don't mind presenting again..but i'd definitely want to "polish" it up
a bit.. :-) .. to be honest I'm kinda glad it's missing :-) (ooOO did
I say that out loud?)

Also, we have a Plone site for baypiggies that's just sitting there..
maybe the next time I cover the same stuff.. and then show those that
are interested how to contribute to the Plone baypiggies site.

errr, basically..yes I'd be interested in presenting again.. just let
me know what month will work..

Donna M. Snow, Owner
C Squared Technologies
illuminate your web
http://www.csquaredtech.com



On 10/22/06, Leslie Hawthorn <lhawthorn at google.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've checked in with the team that does our video editing and it seems the
> tape for the September meeting has gone missing.  My sincere apologies to
> all and especially to September's presenter, Donna Snow.
>
> Donna, perhaps you'd like to do a repeat of your Plone presentation for us
> at some time?
>
> Best,
> LH
>
> --
> Leslie Hawthorn
> Open Source Program Office
> Google Inc.
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>
>

From DennisR at dair.com  Mon Oct 23 05:29:59 2006
From: DennisR at dair.com (Dennis Reinhardt)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:29:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
In-Reply-To: <baf0d46b0610221809u7870fe87i8816b4c3e256e7cc@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <4869cee70610221520j49aca265u8f46dd999a4f04e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4869cee70610221520j49aca265u8f46dd999a4f04e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20061022201942.00bfb6d8@localhost>

At 06:09 PM 10/22/2006, Donna Snow wrote:

>errr, basically..yes I'd be interested in presenting again.. just let
>me know what month will work..

My preference would be one of:

1) a re-taping session *preceding* a BayPiggies meeting (say, starting at 
6:30 or 7:00)
2) a session outside the BayPiggies 2nd Thur schedule

Unfortunately, neither of these are good from an audience 
participation/questions point of view.  I am concerned about re-doing this 
as part of the regular schedule because of low attendance.

Regards, Dennis






----------------------------------
| Dennis    | DennisR at dair.com   |
| Reinhardt | http://WinAjax.com |
----------------------------------


From mac at Wireless.Com  Mon Oct 23 09:04:46 2006
From: mac at Wireless.Com (Mike Cheponis)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:04:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20061022201942.00bfb6d8@localhost>
References: <4869cee70610221520j49aca265u8f46dd999a4f04e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4869cee70610221520j49aca265u8f46dd999a4f04e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20061022201942.00bfb6d8@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.0610230001190.23415@S.culver.net>

Some of us were not able to make the Plone talk due to other commitments.

I believe there would be good attendance for a "Plone Reloaded" talk in the very near future, especially given Donna's desire to tweak up the presentation.

I think Plone is so important that it should be given time at a normal meeting, and not be squeezed to meet some externally-imposed constraint.


Thanks,

-Mike


On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, Dennis Reinhardt wrote:

> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:29:59 -0700
> From: Dennis Reinhardt <DennisR at dair.com>
> To: Donna Snow <donnamsnow at gmail.com>, Leslie Hawthorn <lhawthorn at google.com>
> Cc: Python <baypiggies at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
> 
> At 06:09 PM 10/22/2006, Donna Snow wrote:
>
>> errr, basically..yes I'd be interested in presenting again.. just let
>> me know what month will work..
>
> My preference would be one of:
>
> 1) a re-taping session *preceding* a BayPiggies meeting (say, starting at
> 6:30 or 7:00)
> 2) a session outside the BayPiggies 2nd Thur schedule
>
> Unfortunately, neither of these are good from an audience
> participation/questions point of view.  I am concerned about re-doing this
> as part of the regular schedule because of low attendance.
>
> Regards, Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------
> | Dennis    | DennisR at dair.com   |
> | Reinhardt | http://WinAjax.com |
> ----------------------------------

From kenobi at gmail.com  Tue Oct 24 01:36:04 2006
From: kenobi at gmail.com (Rick Kwan)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:36:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.64.0610230001190.23415@S.culver.net>
References: <4869cee70610221520j49aca265u8f46dd999a4f04e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20061022201942.00bfb6d8@localhost>
	<Pine.NEB.4.64.0610230001190.23415@S.culver.net>
Message-ID: <f0aa69930610231636h1e62dc62q652d434f0b14f4dd@mail.gmail.com>

Ditto.  I really wanted to attend Donna's original talk, but was
unable to.  I really missed having the video this time.

--Rick Kwan

On 10/23/06, Mike Cheponis <mac at wireless.com> wrote:
> Some of us were not able to make the Plone talk due to other commitments.
>
> I believe there would be good attendance for a "Plone Reloaded" talk in the very near future, especially given Donna's desire to tweak up the presentation.
>
> I think Plone is so important that it should be given time at a normal meeting, and not be squeezed to meet some externally-imposed constraint.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Mike
>
>
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, Dennis Reinhardt wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:29:59 -0700
> > From: Dennis Reinhardt <DennisR at dair.com>
> > To: Donna Snow <donnamsnow at gmail.com>, Leslie Hawthorn <lhawthorn at google.com>
> > Cc: Python <baypiggies at python.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
> >
> > At 06:09 PM 10/22/2006, Donna Snow wrote:
> >
> >> errr, basically..yes I'd be interested in presenting again.. just let
> >> me know what month will work..
> >
> > My preference would be one of:
> >
> > 1) a re-taping session *preceding* a BayPiggies meeting (say, starting at
> > 6:30 or 7:00)
> > 2) a session outside the BayPiggies 2nd Thur schedule
> >
> > Unfortunately, neither of these are good from an audience
> > participation/questions point of view.  I am concerned about re-doing this
> > as part of the regular schedule because of low attendance.
> >
> > Regards, Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > | Dennis    | DennisR at dair.com   |
> > | Reinhardt | http://WinAjax.com |
> > ----------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From DennisR at dair.com  Tue Oct 24 01:36:12 2006
From: DennisR at dair.com (Dennis Reinhardt)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:36:12 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
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>Some of us were not able to make the Plone talk due to other commitments.

Mike,

I think *many* would consider this a repeat of what they have already 
heard.  I am concerned about putting a repeat into the main time slot and 
not offering anything new.

The whole point of re-doing this talk is to get it out on video.  Everyone 
will be able to access it in video (software permitting), even if other 
commitments force them to also miss the repeat.  By scheduling this before 
our regular meeting, those who want to attend (whether first or second 
time) may do so and hear both the Plone presentation and whatever the main 
presentation is for the evening.

Russ,

How much time do you expect to require for your Nov. 9th presentation, 
including provision for audience questions?

Donna,

What is the *earliest* date you would feel comfortable doing a repeat?  I 
understand you are "up to your eyeballs" right now.  Our next regular 
meeting is 17 days from now, Nov. 9.  Should we even think about having you 
repeat then or would you like to wait?  Is 1 hour still the right amount of 
time?

Regards, Dennis
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From annaraven at gmail.com  Tue Oct 24 01:43:56 2006
From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:43:56 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
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On 10/23/06, Dennis Reinhardt <DennisR at dair.com> wrote:
>
> >Some of us were not able to make the Plone talk due to other commitments.
>
> Mike,
>
> I think *many* would consider this a repeat of what they have already
> heard.  I am concerned about putting a repeat into the main time slot and
> not offering anything new.
>
> The whole point of re-doing this talk is to get it out on video.  Everyone
> will be able to access it in video (software permitting), even if other
> commitments force them to also miss the repeat.  By scheduling this before
> our regular meeting, those who want to attend (whether first or second
> time) may do so and hear both the Plone presentation and whatever the main
> presentation is for the evening.
>


I think the idea of focusing it a bit more on how we can use the Plone
information to help with the BayPiggies website (taking that as a
specific use case, with specific examples from our website), would be
great. I attended the first session, but I think this would be
different enough to make it worth attending again.

-- 
cordially,
Anna
--
It is fate, but call it Italy if it pleases you, Vicar!

From wescpy at gmail.com  Tue Oct 24 01:44:14 2006
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:44:14 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
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dennis has a good point in that we probably don't want to be doing a
lot of "redo"s but i think this one is an exception due to the topic
as well as for those who missed it (and the video).  i unfortunately
missed the meeting myself that evening and would also like to see a
reprise.

-wesley


On 10/23/06, Rick Kwan <kenobi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ditto.  I really wanted to attend Donna's original talk, but was
> unable to.  I really missed having the video this time.
>
> --Rick Kwan
>
> On 10/23/06, Mike Cheponis <mac at wireless.com> wrote:
> > I believe there would be good attendance for a "Plone Reloaded" talk in the very near future, especially given Donna's desire to tweak up the presentation.

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 24 02:24:09 2006
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:24:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
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>>I think the idea of focusing it a bit more on how we can use the Plone

> >>information to help with the BayPiggies website (taking that as a
> >>specific use case, with specific examples from our website), would be
> >>great. I attended the first session, but I think this would be
> >>different enough to make it worth attending again.


I think a presentation on the new BayPiggies Plone-Powered website would be
a great presentation topic!
More so on how we interact with it from a users standpoint, rather than the
administrator's view.
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From ken at seehart.com  Tue Oct 24 20:50:30 2006
From: ken at seehart.com (Ken Seehart)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:50:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] September BayPiggies Video MIA
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I third the motion!

I've found that finding adequate documentation on the basics is hard.  
If a concept is too easy, it tends to get buried
under huge piles of information on how to do the fancy stuff.  With 
Zope, once I got past the easy stuff, the hard
stuff was really easy, and I think that might be my experience with 
Plone as well.

Tony Cappellini wrote:
> >>I think the idea of focusing it a bit more on how we can use the Plone
>
>     >>information to help with the BayPiggies website (taking that as a
>     >>specific use case, with specific examples from our website),
>     would be
>     >>great. I attended the first session, but I think this would be
>     >>different enough to make it worth attending again.
>
>
> I think a presentation on the new BayPiggies Plone-Powered website 
> would be a great presentation topic!
> More so on how we interact with it from a users standpoint, rather 
> than the administrator's view.
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From DennisR at dair.com  Tue Oct 24 21:15:09 2006
From: DennisR at dair.com (Dennis Reinhardt)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:15:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] November (was September BayPiggies Video MIA)
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At 11:50 AM 10/24/2006, Ken Seehart wrote:
>I third the motion!

There seem to be two proposals here.  I have made my comments under each 
proposal:

   1) repeat the Plone presentation for video
         a) of interest mostly to those who missed original
         b) perhaps could be given as early as this November meeting 
(speculative)

   2) ask to redirect the presentation to focus on BayPiggies web site
         a) of general interest, including those who saw original
         b) warrants a meeting of its own, not squeezed in front of 
existing meeting
         c) unlikely to happen for November (speculative)

I suggest #2 is a stronger proposal (thanks Anna for the suggestion).  At 
this point, we have no topics scheduled for any of the meetings in 
2007.  Let's strive for a Plone presentation focused on the BayPiggies web 
site as soon as the material is ready for 2007.

Returning to the November meeting, we have a 1 hour presentation on a 
Python air traffic control system scheduled and confirmed.  There are 20 
minutes available for further presentation.  Anyone have a 20 minute or so 
presentation they want to propose?

Regards, Dennis



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From kenobi at gmail.com  Tue Oct 24 22:30:36 2006
From: kenobi at gmail.com (Rick Kwan)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:30:36 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] November (was September BayPiggies Video MIA)
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For the sake of the large group, I think proposal 2 is the right thing to do.

But as one of those who missed the original meeting, I would not mind
attending an irregular repeat (dare I say 'make-up'?) session on Plone
if Donna can absorb the schedule and a videographer can be found to do
his/her thing.  (Hopefully, this would also allow less repeat for
people who attended the original session.)

And this time, I plan to attend Russ's presentation on air traffic
control, even though it conflicts with one I am helping to publicize
on the SR-71. :-)

--Rick Kwan
  former air traffic management software writer


On 10/24/06, Dennis Reinhardt <DennisR at dair.com> wrote:
> At 11:50 AM 10/24/2006, Ken Seehart wrote:
> >I third the motion!
>
> There seem to be two proposals here.  I have made my comments under each
> proposal:
>
>    1) repeat the Plone presentation for video
>          a) of interest mostly to those who missed original
>          b) perhaps could be given as early as this November meeting
> (speculative)
>
>    2) ask to redirect the presentation to focus on BayPiggies web site
>          a) of general interest, including those who saw original
>          b) warrants a meeting of its own, not squeezed in front of
> existing meeting
>          c) unlikely to happen for November (speculative)
>
> I suggest #2 is a stronger proposal (thanks Anna for the suggestion).  At
> this point, we have no topics scheduled for any of the meetings in
> 2007.  Let's strive for a Plone presentation focused on the BayPiggies web
> site as soon as the material is ready for 2007.
>
> Returning to the November meeting, we have a 1 hour presentation on a
> Python air traffic control system scheduled and confirmed.  There are 20
> minutes available for further presentation.  Anyone have a 20 minute or so
> presentation they want to propose?
>
> Regards, Dennis
>
>

From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Tue Oct 24 23:48:54 2006
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:48:54 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] November (was September BayPiggies Video MIA)
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Hi,

I've been watching this conversation and I am with Dennis (and Anna)
on having a Plone session in January that includes discussion of the
new baypiggies.net/zope/pr (Plone) site...
(November is just too soon after the busy month I've had).

Whether we need a separate session for those who couldn't make last
one.. I could do it..but I'm thinking there has to be a way we can
incorporate a "make-up" and still provide new info to those who
attended my last session.

Either way..I'm willing to present in January..

Donna M. Snow, Owner
C Squared Enterprises
illumniate your web
http://www.csquaredtech.com
(408)385-1812

From DennisR at dair.com  Wed Oct 25 00:03:44 2006
From: DennisR at dair.com (Dennis Reinhardt)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:03:44 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] November (was September BayPiggies Video MIA)
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At 02:48 PM 10/24/2006, Donna Snow wrote:
>Either way..I'm willing to present in January..

Excellent.  I'll put down for January.

>Whether we need a separate session for those who couldn't make last
>one.. I could do it..but I'm thinking there has to be a way we can
>incorporate a "make-up" and still provide new info to those who
>attended my last session.

A very cheap way to do make-up is post the presentation materials.  The 
people who missed the presentation can then read them.  Questions could be 
posted on this mailing list.

Perhaps this is not good enough and we can figure out something else to do 
next.  Seems easy to try.


Dennis
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat Oct 28 02:55:20 2006
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:55:20 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon: proposals due 10/31
Message-ID: <20061028005520.GA1743@panix.com>

Just a quick reminder that if you want to submit a proposal to PyCon,
you should do it by end of Tuesday, 10/31.

http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/CallForProposals

Tutorials have a deadline of 11/15:

http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/CallForTutorials

PyCon is the Python community conference, held next Feb 23-25 near
Dallas.  (Tutorials will be Feb 22.)  See http://us.pycon.org/ for more
info.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you don't know what your program is supposed to do, you'd better not
start writing it."  --Dijkstra

From cncoleman at stanford.edu  Tue Oct 31 23:39:59 2006
From: cncoleman at stanford.edu (Nicole Coleman)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:39:59 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job
Message-ID: <A0226942-5B6D-4652-B334-20FF5A0DA1C4@stanford.edu>

We are looking to hire a Python programmer on a six-month contract  
(renewable) to work on a web application to support scholarly  
collaboration. We have an existing application built on Plone/Zope.   
Part of the contract will involve extending the current  
implementation in Plone -- using Python to write new features and  
modify existing templates.  The other part is developing a custom web  
application in Python, using the Plone instance as a prototype.

Please contact me for details and/or forward this to anyone you know  
who might be interested.

Thank you.

	Nicole Coleman  cncoleman at stanford.edu
	Technology Projects Manager, Stanford Humanities Center
	Academic Technology Specialist Management Team, Stanford University  
Libraries
	http://shc.stanford.edu

	650.724.8107
	Jabber: cncoleman at hal.stanford.edu
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