[Baypiggies] Baypiggies Digest, Vol 9, Issue 24
Ken Seehart
ken at seehart.com
Fri Jul 28 09:31:56 CEST 2006
PyGame would be a better choice than wxPython for that.
check this out:
http://homepage.hispeed.ch/py430/python/
- Ken Seehart
Brain Murphy wrote:
> Is it possible with wxpython to make a screen saver?
> I would like to make one of the Dark Mark were the snake is waving
> left to right and back.
> what would I need to do this, pygame?
> Brian
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Wither IronPort? (Aahz)
> 2. Re: Wither IronPort? (Shannon -jj Behrens)
> 3. Re: Wither IronPort? (Carl J. Van Arsdall)
> 4. Re: 2006 Meeting Schedule (Mike Cheponis)
> 5. Re: 2006 Meeting Schedule (steve hindle)
> 6. Re: Wither IronPort? (Dennis Reinhardt)
> 7. Re: Wither IronPort? (Dennis Reinhardt)
> 8. Re: 2006 Meeting Schedule (Dennis Reinhardt)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:28:02 -0700
> From: Aahz
> Subject: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Message-ID: <20060726232802.GA25425 at panix.com>
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> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
> >
> > I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up in
> defense
> > of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth the
> effort.
>
> Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort
> needs to
> be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my
> mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm >< this close to
> just
> leaving BayPIGgies.
>
> I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is nothing that
> needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more
> people), and
> I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a location
> despite never going there.
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
> definition, not smart enough to debug it." --Brian W. Kernighan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:45:25 -0700
> From: "Shannon -jj Behrens"
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?
> To: Aahz
> Cc: baypiggies at python.org
> Message-ID:
>
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>
> I haven't spoken up to defend IronPort because I was wondering if
> other people were going to do so. It definitely seems that the most
> anti-IronPort people are simply very vocal. It's strange that Alex
> who *works* at Google wasn't nearly as biased. It doesn't matter to
> me; I'm happy to be free of additional responsibilities.
>
> Best Regards,
> -jj
>
> On 7/26/06, Aahz wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
> > >
> > > I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up in
> defense
> > > of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth the
> effort.
> >
> > Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort
> needs to
> > be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my
> > mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm >< this close
> to just
> > leaving BayPIGgies.
> >
> > I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is nothing
> that
> > needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more
> people), and
> > I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a
> location
> > despite never going there.
> > --
> > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
> >
> > "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> > Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you
> are, by
> > definition, not smart enough to debug it." --Brian W. Kernighan
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:01:47 -0700
> From: "Carl J. Van Arsdall"
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?
> To: Shannon -jj Behrens
> Cc: baypiggies at python.org
> Message-ID: <44C8026B.8000900 at mvista.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Maybe the vocalness of the list users was throwing me off. I
> definitely
> don't think its worth leaving the group over. I think two things have
> come out of this, one is that people would like more google meetings,
> the other is that IronPort meetings need some help staffing.
>
> Does that sound about right?
>
> Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> > I haven't spoken up to defend IronPort because I was wondering if
> > other people were going to do so. It definitely seems that the most
> > anti-IronPort people are simply very vocal. It's strange that Alex
> > who *works* at Google wasn't nearly as biased. It doesn't matter to
> > me; I'm happy to be free of additional responsibilities.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > -jj
> >
> > On 7/26/06, Aahz wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
> >>
> >>> I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up in
> defense
> >>> of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth the
> effort.
> >>>
> >> Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort
> needs to
> >> be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my
> >> mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm >< this close
> to just
> >> leaving BayPIGgies.
> >>
> >> I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is
> nothing that
> >> needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more
> people), and
> >> I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a
> location
> >> despite never going there.
> >> --
> >> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
> >>
> >> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> >> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you
> are, by
> >> definition, not smart enough to debug it." --Brian W. Kernighan
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Baypiggies mailing list
> >> Baypiggies at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >>
> >>
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>
> --
>
> Carl J. Van Arsdall
> cvanarsdall at mvista.com
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> MontaVista Software
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:09:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mike Cheponis
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] 2006 Meeting Schedule
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, steve hindle wrote:
>
> > On 7/26/06, Dennis Reinhardt wrote:
> >>
> >> unfocused meetings. I am not interested in organizing "let's
> see who shows
> >> up and shoot from the hip once people arrive" meetings (or
> attending, for
> >> that matter).
> >>
> > Understandable. However, are the people that attend the IronPort
> > meetings willing to book their own speakers. For that matter, are
> > they really concerned if there is a speaker or not (Perhaps they are
> > more interested in the 'social' aspects like the 'random access' ?)
>
> I regularly attend the South Bay NetBSD monthly meetings. There is
> _never_ an agenda! That would be far too organized for us. We have
> pizza and chat about some aspect of NetBSD that is relevant to
> each of us, as we wish. It's pure "random access". Since several
> NetBSD developers show up, it's a great place to have questions
> answered, or to have other smart folks critique an idea or to have
> them suggest some ways of solving a problem.
>
>
> >> speakers. I would rather concentrate on Google. There is an
> opening for
> >> an IronPort planning coordinator.
> >>
> > Fair enough - if there is interest, someone that attends the
> IronPort
> > meetings should step up :-)
> >
> >> meetings. Any disagreement is in cutting back on IronPort
> meetings. Fair
> >> summary?
> >
> > Perfect summary, as far as I'm concerned :-)
>
> Well, I suggested 12+12...
>
> As I see it, the meeting topics are a "draw" - they give people a
> reason to attend. But once a bunch of pythonistas gather, it's
> gonna be interesting, program or not.
>
> -Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:36:46 -0700
> From: "steve hindle"
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] 2006 Meeting Schedule
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Message-ID:
> <9a0545880607261736s119d2182u56ad3c52dbe7c6cc at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 7/26/06, Mike Cheponis wrote:
> >
> > I regularly attend the South Bay NetBSD monthly meetings. There
> is _never_ an agenda! That would be far too organized for us. We
> have pizza and chat about some aspect of NetBSD that is relevant
> to each of us, as we wish. It's pure "random access". Since
> several NetBSD developers show up, it's a great place to have
> questions answered, or to have other smart folks critique an idea
> or to have them suggest some ways of solving a problem.
> >
> Sounds like fun! It's kind of funny - but once a meeting topic has
> been posted, 50% of the fun goes out of the presentation for me.
> Either its something that really gets me interested, and I can't wait
> till the meeting to start playing with it, reading up on it, etc. Or
> its a topic that holds no interest for me. Either way, its like a kid
> that opens his xmas presents early :-P
>
> However, I consistently get lots of cool ideas from just chatting with
> other geeks. Hearing what they're playing with, what they like/don't
> like, etc. Generally stuff I never would have thought of/investigated
> ... All sorts of wierd and wonderful ideas just sort of bubble out.
>
>
> >
> > As I see it, the meeting topics are a "draw" - they give people
> a reason to attend. But once a bunch of pythonistas gather, it's
> gonna be interesting, program or not.
> >
> Yep - I really think its the people that make the meetings. And we
> have a nice wide variety of people to talk with/learn from in this
> group....
>
> Steve
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:24:36 -0700
> From: Dennis Reinhardt
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20060726170602.00c15250 at localhost>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 05:01 PM 7/26/2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
> >Maybe the vocalness of the list users was throwing me off. I
> definitely
> >don't think its worth leaving the group over. I think two things have
> >come out of this, one is that people would like more google meetings,
> >the other is that IronPort meetings need some help staffing.
> >
> >Does that sound about right?
>
> Yes, with the addition of an added item: we need a schedule where
> the two
> sites are not in contention with each other. I think this is best
> done by
> moving the night of IronPort so it is not 2nd Thursday. This is not,
> however, the only solution.
>
> I believe the decision makers to decide IronPort future schedule
> are the
> people who attend the IronPort meetings or would attend if held on a
> different night.
>
> Regards, Dennis
> ----------------------------------
> | Dennis | DennisR at dair.com |
> | Reinhardt | Powerful Anti-Spam |
> ----------------------------------
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:40:20 -0700
> From: Dennis Reinhardt
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20060726164910.00c02c08 at localhost>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>
> The lock-step alternating locations plan is not working for us. In
> the
> lock-step plan, any increase at Google, of necessity, is a
> diminishment at
> IronPort. We need to get out of lock-step so that each site can
> find its
> natural schedule.
>
> pro(google) != anti(IronPort)
>
> I suggest the natural schedule at Google is 12X/year. The present
> schedule
> for IronPort is 6X/year. If we do nothing else, both meetings are
> on the
> 2nd Thursday. I submit the most reasonable way to proceed is
> schedule 15
> minutes at next IronPort meeting for those attending at IronPort
> to decide
> what the ongoing IronPort schedule is. A future Google meeting can
> set the
> ongoing schedule at Google, likely for 2007 and beyond.
>
> Regards, Dennis
>
>
> >I haven't spoken up to defend IronPort because I was wondering if
> >other people were going to do so. It definitely seems that the most
> >anti-IronPort people are simply very vocal. It's strange that Alex
> >who *works* at Google wasn't nearly as biased. It doesn't matter to
> >me; I'm happy to be free of additional responsibilities.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >-jj
> >
> >On 7/26/06, Aahz wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up in
> defense
> > > > of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth the
> effort.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort
> needs to
> > > be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my
> > > mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm >< this
> close to just
> > > leaving BayPIGgies.
> > >
> > > I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is
> nothing that
> > > needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more
> people), and
> > > I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a
> location
> > > despite never going there.
> > > --
> > > Aahz
> > (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> ----------------------------------
> | Dennis | DennisR at dair.com |
> | Reinhardt | Powerful Anti-Spam |
> ----------------------------------
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:39:27 -0700
> From: Dennis Reinhardt
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] 2006 Meeting Schedule
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20060726172449.00c13a30 at localhost>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 05:09 PM 7/26/2006, Mike Cheponis wrote:
>
> >SH> For that matter, are
> > > they really concerned if there is a speaker or not (Perhaps
> they are
> > > more interested in the 'social' aspects like the 'random
> access' ?)
> >
> >MC>I regularly attend the South Bay NetBSD monthly meetings.
> >There is _never_ an agenda! ... It's pure "random access".
>
> I have seen multiple models work. IMO, video taping and broadcasting
> supports a speaker model. We are not having difficulty filling out
> a solid
> speaker schedule at Google and are having difficulty at
> IronPort. Fine. So, let's adapt.
>
> >Well, I suggested 12+12...
> >As I see it, the meeting topics are a "draw" - they give people a
> reason
> >to attend. But once a bunch of pythonistas gather, it's gonna be
> >interesting, program or not.
>
> Having meetings at two locations with quite different characters
> sounds
> great. It would be nice if they were held on different nights, but
> not at
> all mandatory. Many conferences have 2 or more tracks, where the
> attendee
> must chose one session to attend and attending both is not
> physically possible.
>
>
> ----------------------------------
> | Dennis | DennisR at dair.com |
> | Reinhardt | Powerful Anti-Spam |
> ----------------------------------
>
>
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