From larryt at winfirst.com  Fri Nov 18 10:40:21 2005
From: larryt at winfirst.com (larryt@winfirst.com)
Date: 18 Nov 2005 09:40:21 +0000
Subject: [Baypiggies] Welcome to the "Baypiggies" mailing list
In-Reply-To: <mailman.131.1132280335.22836.baypiggies@python.org>
References: <mailman.131.1132280335.22836.baypiggies@python.org>
Message-ID: <x7ek5ee1kq.fsf@winfirst.com>

baypiggies-request at python.org writes:

> you'll have to redo all your list settings (including digest and nomail).

Looks to me like this just means any non-default settings.  

-larry


From jim at well.com  Sat Nov 19 05:44:10 2005
From: jim at well.com (jim stockford)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:44:10 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] testing one, two, three;
Message-ID: <20308332-58B7-11DA-A326-000A95EA5592@well.com>

this is a test, ignore.
apologies,
jim
;


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat Nov 26 14:56:27 2005
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:56:27 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] FW: Welcome to the "Baypiggies" mailing list / ????
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F33E2573AFBC650960EAA33A0560@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F33E2573AFBC650960EAA33A0560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051126135627.GA13533@panix.com>

On Sat, Nov 26, 2005, Stephen McInerney wrote:
>
> Aahz and Deidre,
> 
> Is this legit or a phishing attack?
> Nobody signed their name to the email.
> You may want to resend with someone's names on it.

This is definitely legitimate, as analysis of the headers would have
shown (as would sending e-mail to baypiggies at python.org, or even just
checking the URL for the new BayPIGgies list, which should be in the
footer).  Sorry for the lack of detail, but we've been busy.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From mac at Wireless.Com  Tue Nov 29 01:02:07 2005
From: mac at Wireless.Com (Mike Cheponis)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:02:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>

Hi,

Where is the Baypiggies website?

http://www.baypiggies.net/  seems to be useless, with some rant from some guy who needs to chill out or something...


Thanks -Mike

From guido at python.org  Tue Nov 29 01:13:06 2005
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:13:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
Message-ID: <ca471dc20511281613y60a318ces356ec74725cedd22@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/28/05, Mike Cheponis <mac at wireless.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Where is the Baypiggies website?
>
> http://www.baypiggies.net/  seems to be useless, with some rant from some guy who needs to chill out or something...

Wow. I had no idea. Has anyone spoken to Deirdre about this? I'm not
sure what the point is of killing a user group's main point of contact
(feeble as it is) due to a lack of standards. All I can say is I'm
glad she's not in charge of python.org. While I see standard
compliance as a useful goal I don't see the point of such draconian
measures in a purely volunteer-run group -- even if (as Deirdre has
indicated) you're no longer interested in the group's activities.
Apart from the website management the group seems to be fully
functional -- we have monthly meetings visited by 20-50 people.

--
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Nov 29 01:13:25 2005
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:13:25 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
Message-ID: <20051129001325.GA24142@panix.com>

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005, Mike Cheponis wrote:
> 
> Where is the Baypiggies website?
> 
> http://www.baypiggies.net/ seems to be useless, with some rant from
> some guy who needs to chill out or something...

We're still working on transferring it.  Transferring the mailing list
was easier and higher priority.  We'll send out an update once the new
site is up.

Deirdre has apologized in private e-mail for losing her temper; she's
been under a lot of stress lately and feeling responsible for BayPIGgies
(even though she hasn't been involved for years) pushed her over the
edge.  She deserves our accolades for starting BayPIGgies and continuing
to host both web site and mailing list even after she dropped out.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From jjinux at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 01:19:51 2005
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:19:51 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <20051129001325.GA24142@panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
	<20051129001325.GA24142@panix.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b90511281619g4fe59893kbbcf3f3873446d33@mail.gmail.com>

Being quite anal, I'm capable of creating a fully DTD-compliant Web
site.  I can help in whatever way is appropriate including hosting it
myself.

Best Regards,
-jj

On 11/28/05, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2005, Mike Cheponis wrote:
> >
> > Where is the Baypiggies website?
> >
> > http://www.baypiggies.net/ seems to be useless, with some rant from
> > some guy who needs to chill out or something...
>
> We're still working on transferring it.  Transferring the mailing list
> was easier and higher priority.  We'll send out an update once the new
> site is up.
>
> Deirdre has apologized in private e-mail for losing her temper; she's
> been under a lot of stress lately and feeling responsible for BayPIGgies
> (even though she hasn't been involved for years) pushed her over the
> edge.  She deserves our accolades for starting BayPIGgies and continuing
> to host both web site and mailing list even after she dropped out.
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
> until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>


--
Hacking is to climbing Mt. Everest as
software engineering is to building a Denny's there.

From gilesb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 01:40:04 2005
From: gilesb at gmail.com (Giles Bowkett)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:40:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <20051129001325.GA24142@panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
	<20051129001325.GA24142@panix.com>
Message-ID: <2d81dedb0511281640u57152891q5be17e0bf8c7d749@mail.gmail.com>

grr! argh! how dare people not comply to standards!

grr! argh! how dare that guy not host a convenient resource for free!

grr! argh! Deirdre is a girl's name!

grr!

argh!

everybody loses their temper every now and then. I just hope Deirdre
hasn't defected to Ruby...

On 11/28/05, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2005, Mike Cheponis wrote:
> >
> > Where is the Baypiggies website?
> >
> > http://www.baypiggies.net/ seems to be useless, with some rant from
> > some guy who needs to chill out or something...
>
> We're still working on transferring it.  Transferring the mailing list
> was easier and higher priority.  We'll send out an update once the new
> site is up.
>
> Deirdre has apologized in private e-mail for losing her temper; she's
> been under a lot of stress lately and feeling responsible for BayPIGgies
> (even though she hasn't been involved for years) pushed her over the
> edge.  She deserves our accolades for starting BayPIGgies and continuing
> to host both web site and mailing list even after she dropped out.
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
> until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>


--
Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/

From eric at ericwalstad.com  Tue Nov 29 01:45:55 2005
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:45:55 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <20051129001325.GA24142@panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
	<20051129001325.GA24142@panix.com>
Message-ID: <200511281645.55575.eric@ericwalstad.com>

On Monday 28 November 2005 04:13 pm, Aahz wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2005, Mike Cheponis wrote:
> > Where is the Baypiggies website?
> >
> > http://www.baypiggies.net/ seems to be useless, with some rant from
> > some guy who needs to chill out or something...
>
> We're still working on transferring it.  Transferring the mailing list
> was easier and higher priority.  We'll send out an update once the new
> site is up.
>
> Deirdre has apologized in private e-mail for losing her temper; she's
> been under a lot of stress lately and feeling responsible for BayPIGgies
> (even though she hasn't been involved for years) pushed her over the
> edge.  She deserves our accolades for starting BayPIGgies and continuing
> to host both web site and mailing list even after she dropped out.

BayPiggies is dead!  Long live BayPiggies!

Thanks, Deirdre, for maintaining the site for so long.  I didn't know there 
was an issue there.  I'm happy to pitch in some maintenance time and/or 
financial donation going forward.  I appreciate the people and expertise on 
this list.

Eric.

From webb.sprague at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 01:49:06 2005
From: webb.sprague at gmail.com (Webb Sprague)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:49:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <2d81dedb0511281640u57152891q5be17e0bf8c7d749@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
	<20051129001325.GA24142@panix.com>
	<2d81dedb0511281640u57152891q5be17e0bf8c7d749@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b11ea23c0511281649wd40ee9et22d514e4e4dc7900@mail.gmail.com>

I have to say--this episode should be on Seinfeld.  It is a shame that
only people who subscribe to the baypiggies list can enjoy it.

On 11/28/05, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:
> grr! argh! how dare people not comply to standards!

<SNIP>

Whoops!  I meant "<snip>"

From orsini at oreilly.com  Tue Nov 29 02:03:44 2005
From: orsini at oreilly.com (Rob Orsini)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:03:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
Message-ID: <cbc01fe669c516547f11f4e02bcbbb34@oreilly.com>

On Nov 28, 2005, at 4:02 PM, Mike Cheponis wrote:

> http://www.baypiggies.net/  seems to be useless, with some rant from 
> some guy who needs to chill out or something...


Yeah, but check out the source! It's impeccable. I'm floored by the 
sheer beauty it its strict compliance. Bravo. Prozac for everyone, on 
the house.

Rob


From dyoo at hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu  Tue Nov 29 02:28:06 2005
From: dyoo at hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Yoo)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:28:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <200511281645.55575.eric@ericwalstad.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>

> BayPiggies is dead!  Long live BayPiggies!
>
> Thanks, Deirdre, for maintaining the site for so long.  I didn't know
> there was an issue there.  I'm happy to pitch in some maintenance time
> and/or financial donation going forward.  I appreciate the people and
> expertise on this list.

Hi everyone,

Does anyone have a hosting system available?  I'll be calling up a few
hosts tomorrow like bluehost.com; if there are other good hosts that
people recommend, we'd be happy to hear from you.

Deirdre did give us archives of the web site, so we're not really in any
trouble of losing the old data.  We just need a place to host the content,
and we'll do the domain name transfer as soon as we can.

Please contact Wes, Aahz, Tony, and me.  Thank you, and apologies for the
inconvenience.


From gilesb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 02:34:49 2005
From: gilesb at gmail.com (Giles Bowkett)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:34:49 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
References: <200511281645.55575.eric@ericwalstad.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <2d81dedb0511281734t50a02562sd3a9b5d73f7ea00a@mail.gmail.com>

My host is teh sukc, but this is where I'm planning to jump ship:

http://www.a2hosting.com/?mln

On 11/28/05, Danny Yoo <dyoo at hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> > BayPiggies is dead!  Long live BayPiggies!
> >
> > Thanks, Deirdre, for maintaining the site for so long.  I didn't know
> > there was an issue there.  I'm happy to pitch in some maintenance time
> > and/or financial donation going forward.  I appreciate the people and
> > expertise on this list.
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone have a hosting system available?  I'll be calling up a few
> hosts tomorrow like bluehost.com; if there are other good hosts that
> people recommend, we'd be happy to hear from you.
>
> Deirdre did give us archives of the web site, so we're not really in any
> trouble of losing the old data.  We just need a place to host the content,
> and we'll do the domain name transfer as soon as we can.
>
> Please contact Wes, Aahz, Tony, and me.  Thank you, and apologies for the
> inconvenience.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>


--
Giles Bowkett = Giles Goat Boy
http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/

From webmaven at cox.net  Tue Nov 29 02:46:28 2005
From: webmaven at cox.net (Michael Bernstein)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:46:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <1133228788.7809.208.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-11-28 at 17:28 -0800, Danny Yoo wrote:
> > BayPiggies is dead!  Long live BayPiggies!
> >
> > Thanks, Deirdre, for maintaining the site for so long.  I didn't know
> > there was an issue there.  I'm happy to pitch in some maintenance time
> > and/or financial donation going forward.  I appreciate the people and
> > expertise on this list.
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Does anyone have a hosting system available?  I'll be calling up a few
> hosts tomorrow like bluehost.com; if there are other good hosts that
> people recommend, we'd be happy to hear from you.

I've been fairly happy with python-hosting.com. The owner has been known
to give free accounts to python-community-oriented projects in return
for a 'hosted by' badge.

- Michael Bernstein


From pch at intersight.com  Tue Nov 29 02:54:38 2005
From: pch at intersight.com (Paul McGavin)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:54:38 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Bay Piggies Web Site
Message-ID: <967c52139ac1dfe6c8123d975b32cbd4@intersight.com>

Hi, Dierdre,

I host some Zope and Plone sites at Sonic.net (in Santa Rosa) and could 
take on the BayPiggies site, if you wish.While I cannot claim 100% 
standards compliance (since my clients edit many of their pages with 
structured text), I do strive to maximize standards compliance with 
every project.

You can a few of my sites below:

http://www.intersight.com/

http://www.susieandpaul.com/

http://www.sausalitopresbyterian.com/

http://www.vote4pam.com

All you would need to do is change the DNS entry to point to my server 
(64.142.124.130). Please let me know if this will work for you.

Regards,


Paul H. McGavin
President, InterSight
Interactive Insight Network
1001 Bridgeway, Suite 150
Sausalito, CA 94952

Tel 415-382-4040
Fax 415-382-6510
paul.mcgavin at intersight.com
www.intersight.com


From ari at lib.aero  Tue Nov 29 02:59:50 2005
From: ari at lib.aero (K. Ari Krupnikov)
Date: 28 Nov 2005 17:59:50 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <b11ea23c0511281649wd40ee9et22d514e4e4dc7900@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
	<20051129001325.GA24142@panix.com>
	<2d81dedb0511281640u57152891q5be17e0bf8c7d749@mail.gmail.com>
	<b11ea23c0511281649wd40ee9et22d514e4e4dc7900@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86u0dw9pt5.fsf@deb.lib.aero>

Webb Sprague <webb.sprague at gmail.com> writes:

> On 11/28/05, Giles Bowkett <gilesb at gmail.com> wrote:
> > grr! argh! how dare people not comply to standards!
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
> Whoops!  I meant "<snip>"

It being xhtml, you probably meant "<snip/>"

Seriously, I can host the site on my DreamHost account - I have more
than enough space and bandwidth that I'm not using.

Ari

-- 
Elections only count as free and trials as fair if you can lose money
betting on the outcome.

From richbodo at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 03:02:06 2005
From: richbodo at gmail.com (Rich Bodo)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:02:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
References: <200511281645.55575.eric@ericwalstad.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <86aa81650511281802o2cbe5e8cia0afe56e4fde1151@mail.gmail.com>

I just spoke to Joe at via.net and he offered to host the site.  I've
always had good experience with them.

-Rich

On 11/28/05, Danny Yoo <dyoo at hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> > BayPiggies is dead!  Long live BayPiggies!
> >
> > Thanks, Deirdre, for maintaining the site for so long.  I didn't know
> > there was an issue there.  I'm happy to pitch in some maintenance time
> > and/or financial donation going forward.  I appreciate the people and
> > expertise on this list.
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone have a hosting system available?  I'll be calling up a few
> hosts tomorrow like bluehost.com; if there are other good hosts that
> people recommend, we'd be happy to hear from you.
>
> Deirdre did give us archives of the web site, so we're not really in any
> trouble of losing the old data.  We just need a place to host the content,
> and we'll do the domain name transfer as soon as we can.
>
> Please contact Wes, Aahz, Tony, and me.  Thank you, and apologies for the
> inconvenience.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From eric at ericwalstad.com  Tue Nov 29 03:02:21 2005
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:02:21 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <200511281802.21981.eric@ericwalstad.com>

On Monday 28 November 2005 17:28, Danny Yoo wrote:
> > BayPiggies is dead!  Long live BayPiggies!
> >
> > Thanks, Deirdre, for maintaining the site for so long.  I didn't
> > know there was an issue there.  I'm happy to pitch in some
> > maintenance time and/or financial donation going forward.  I
> > appreciate the people and expertise on this list.
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone have a hosting system available?  I'll be calling up a
> few hosts tomorrow like bluehost.com; if there are other good hosts
> that people recommend, we'd be happy to hear from you.
>
> Deirdre did give us archives of the web site, so we're not really
> in any trouble of losing the old data.  We just need a place to
> host the content, and we'll do the domain name transfer as soon as
> we can.
>
> Please contact Wes, Aahz, Tony, and me.  Thank you, and apologies
> for the inconvenience.

Hi Danny,

What are the hosting software, diskspace and bandwidth requirements?

I've been using python-hosting.com ever since hurrah.com closed their 
doors a few months ago.  I've been happy with their service, although 
I must admit mine is a lightly used site so I can't vouch for their 
performance under heavy loads.  However, they do support most all the 
python-web-frameworks-du-jour, their pricing seems fair and their 
support and response time is, at the very least, reasonable.  They 
have my recommendation.

On the other hand, what about python.net?  Is it possible they'd be 
willing to host our (presumably) lightly hammered baypiggies site?

Eric.

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Nov 29 03:04:10 2005
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:04:10 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <ca471dc20511281613y60a318ces356ec74725cedd22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
	<ca471dc20511281613y60a318ces356ec74725cedd22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051129020410.GA16577@panix.com>

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> 
> Wow. I had no idea. Has anyone spoken to Deirdre about this? I'm
> not sure what the point is of killing a user group's main point of
> contact (feeble as it is) due to a lack of standards. All I can
> say is I'm glad she's not in charge of python.org. While I see
> standard compliance as a useful goal I don't see the point of such
> draconian measures in a purely volunteer-run group -- even if (as
> Deirdre has indicated) you're no longer interested in the group's
> activities.  Apart from the website management the group seems to be
> fully functional -- we have monthly meetings visited by 20-50 people.

The mailing list has always been the group's main point of contact, so
that was my first priority.  Deirdre has been suddenly dumped into a
situation where she cannot provide the necessary sysadmin bandwidth for
keeping BayPIGgies up on her personal machine; we were already talking
about moving the site before the web standards issue came up.

The web standards issue is really a red herring.  I would say that it was
in the grand scheme of things a minor problem that became the straw that
broke the camel's back.  

Not to pick on you, Guido, or anyone else, but we already making progress
toward getting everything fixed, it's simply a matter of time and trying
to keep things orderly.  Talking about it on-list will not speed things
appreciably.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From guido at python.org  Tue Nov 29 04:22:25 2005
From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:22:25 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <20051129020410.GA16577@panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
	<ca471dc20511281613y60a318ces356ec74725cedd22@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051129020410.GA16577@panix.com>
Message-ID: <ca471dc20511281922p420fcc50s701f861769f3a6bd@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/28/05, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> Not to pick on you, Guido, or anyone else, but we already making progress
> toward getting everything fixed, it's simply a matter of time and trying
> to keep things orderly.  Talking about it on-list will not speed things
> appreciably.

And that's much appreciated, as is Deirdre's support for so many
years. I fondly recall my first visit to a baypiggies meeting that she
hosted at a small cafe in SF. (Boy we've grown.)

But IMO it's better to be open about what's going on and who's doing
something about it than to confront with surprise mailing list
rehosting and a sudden disappearance of the website. I hope Deirdre
will (let someone?) replace her current message with something like
"Due to a change in the hosting situation the Baybpiggies site is
temporarily closed; please come back in a while."

--
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

From gilesb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 06:02:40 2005
From: gilesb at gmail.com (Giles Bowkett)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:02:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <ca471dc20511281922p420fcc50s701f861769f3a6bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.63.0511281601060.22039@S.culver.net>
	<ca471dc20511281613y60a318ces356ec74725cedd22@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051129020410.GA16577@panix.com>
	<ca471dc20511281922p420fcc50s701f861769f3a6bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2d81dedb0511282102s4fcbc0d6ib6bc47d36c03f5e0@mail.gmail.com>

mais oui! also, taking it all off-list deprives us of the inevitable
this vs. that wars, i.e., TurboGears vs. Django, etc.

(I'm mainly just being obnoxious here, but the truth is if you observe
what the main points of contention in those sorts of debates are, you
do actually get a good idea of what the motivating design principles
are too. I'll even admit to provoking those little battles once in a
while just to see what happens. all that "my favorite muppet kicks
your favorite muppet's ass!" stuff can actually be quite informative.)

On 11/28/05, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:
> On 11/28/05, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> > Not to pick on you, Guido, or anyone else, but we already making progress
> > toward getting everything fixed, it's simply a matter of time and trying
> > to keep things orderly.  Talking about it on-list will not speed things
> > appreciably.
>
> And that's much appreciated, as is Deirdre's support for so many
> years. I fondly recall my first visit to a baypiggies meeting that she
> hosted at a small cafe in SF. (Boy we've grown.)
>
> But IMO it's better to be open about what's going on and who's doing
> something about it than to confront with surprise mailing list
> rehosting and a sudden disappearance of the website. I hope Deirdre
> will (let someone?) replace her current message with something like
> "Due to a change in the hosting situation the Baybpiggies site is
> temporarily closed; please come back in a while."
>
> --
> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>


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http://www.gilesgoatboy.org/

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Nov 29 06:07:41 2005
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:41 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies website?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
References: <200511281645.55575.eric@ericwalstad.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0511281702200.4409-100000@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <20051129050741.GA10908@panix.com>

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005, Danny Yoo wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a hosting system available?  I'll be calling up a few
> hosts tomorrow like bluehost.com; if there are other good hosts that
> people recommend, we'd be happy to hear from you.

If I end up being the point person on taking over the domain, I'm
probably going to use pair.com.  They're reliable and inexpensive, but
not cheap.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Nov 29 06:38:48 2005
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:38:48 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies]  baypiggies.net transfer
Message-ID: <20051129053848.GA19698@panix.com>

One more thing: please do not send e-mail to Deirdre.  This situation
came up because Deirdre has zero bandwidth available -- Danny, Wes, Tony,
and I are handling the interactions with her.  (Because we're the ones
who have been maintaining the website.)  At this point, Deirdre's only
involvement is to transfer baypiggies.net once we decide where we're
moving.

Once we completely remove Deirdre from the loop, we'll have more time to
talk about how we want to maintain a web presence for BayPIGgies in the
long run.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 03:47:26 2005
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony C)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:47:26 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] (OT) Very cool video of Jim Hugunin demo-ing Iron
	Python on .NET
Message-ID: <8249c4ac0511291847y20b62a1fl14be96645f872764@mail.gmail.com>

Doesn't seem to run on Firefox 1.5 final :(

http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20051110PythonJH/manifest.xml
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Nov 30 05:02:22 2005
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:02:22 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] (OT) Very cool video of Jim Hugunin demo-ing Iron
	Python on .NET
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0511291847y20b62a1fl14be96645f872764@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac0511291847y20b62a1fl14be96645f872764@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051130040222.GA17746@panix.com>

On Tue, Nov 29, 2005, Tony C wrote:
>
> Doesn't seem to run on Firefox 1.5 final :(
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20051110PythonJH/manifest.xml

Note: this is completely on-topic for BayPIGgies -- anything having to do
with Python is on-topic!
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Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Don't listen to schmucks on USENET when making legal decisions.  Hire
yourself a competent schmuck."  --USENET schmuck (aka Robert Kern)