From ssquery at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 02:43:45 2009
From: ssquery at gmail.com (sudhakar s)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:13:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WSDL
Message-ID: <1528d2590911051743q5873c814j75286fb866b362c0@mail.gmail.com>

Can any one suggest me how to write WSDL from python,
or is there any way to generate a WSDL from Python.

-- 
With Regards,
S Sudhakar.

From ak.m.mail at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 04:17:42 2009
From: ak.m.mail at gmail.com (akm)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:47:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WSDL
In-Reply-To: <1528d2590911051743q5873c814j75286fb866b362c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528d2590911051743q5873c814j75286fb866b362c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9f7242b30911051917n5669af7dv51798ec3cf609c44@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:13 AM, sudhakar s <ssquery at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can any one suggest me how to write WSDL from python,
> or is there any way to generate a WSDL from Python.


ZSI (http://pywebsvcs.sourceforge.net/zsi.html) comes with a script
'wsdl2py'  and this can be used for
automatically generating client service stub from a wsdl definition.

--
Abdul Kader M

From jinsthomas at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 14:15:35 2009
From: jinsthomas at gmail.com (Jins Thomas)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:45:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help python to implement binary parser
Message-ID: <b15547390911060515i4e77f1dend8c6fc33952dd231@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thanks alot for all the previous helps i have got from this group.

I'm currently planning to implement a binary parser which can convert binary
or ASN1 files to text format. This i need  in a teleco background where
almost all the network elements provide binary/asn1 data format of call
events.

Would somebody tell whether python is a good option for this kind of parsers
compared to other languages. I felt like it's easier to implement in python,
but not so sure about the performance aspects compared to C/C++/Java/Perl.
I also saw one parser module at   http://www.acooke.org/lepl/

Would somebody please comment on this.

Thanks
Jins Thomas

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 15:28:15 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:58:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help python to implement binary parser
In-Reply-To: <b15547390911060515i4e77f1dend8c6fc33952dd231@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547390911060515i4e77f1dend8c6fc33952dd231@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911060628h570e626j6e42d94776944e2a@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Jins Thomas <jinsthomas at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks alot for all the previous helps i have got from this group.
>
> I'm currently planning to implement a binary parser which can convert binary
> or ASN1 files to text format. This i need ?in a teleco background where
> almost all the network elements provide binary/asn1 data format of call
> events.

How complicated is the format?

> Would somebody tell whether python is a good option for this kind of parsers
> compared to other languages. I felt like it's easier to implement in python,
> but not so sure about the performance aspects compared to C/C++/Java/Perl.
> I also saw one parser module at ? http://www.acooke.org/lepl/

Wouldn't this kind of thing be unpacking some kind of binary object
into a python data structure? I don't think it'd be as fast as C but
it might be close enough for you to work. Shouldn't take long to
prototype it though. Also check out http://pyasn1.sourceforge.net/


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ambadas004 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 07:33:45 2009
From: ambadas004 at gmail.com (ambadas hunushnale)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:33:45 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Hello:
Message-ID: <e75e3eba0911082233j2ae1ac28n28f86f09dcb14de6@mail.gmail.com>

hi,
 can any body help me...
 i want to build code checker for c++ program using python langusge.....

From amit.pureenergy at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 07:37:35 2009
From: amit.pureenergy at gmail.com (Amit Sethi)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:07:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hello:
In-Reply-To: <e75e3eba0911082233j2ae1ac28n28f86f09dcb14de6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e75e3eba0911082233j2ae1ac28n28f86f09dcb14de6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da81a0a80911082237p2efc0bb0i8d02ed714cda4d15@mail.gmail.com>

I don't exactly understand what you mean by code checker? but if you require
some thing that can do context free grammar conversion you can use nltk.


-- 
A-M-I-T S|S

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 07:48:06 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:18:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hello:
In-Reply-To: <e75e3eba0911082233j2ae1ac28n28f86f09dcb14de6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e75e3eba0911082233j2ae1ac28n28f86f09dcb14de6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911082248k5e6d4c2bw414a703f35162ae4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:03 PM, ambadas hunushnale
<ambadas004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi,
> ?can any body help me...
> ?i want to build code checker for c++ program using python langusge.....

Can you elaborate a little on what you mean by "code checker"?


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ambadas004 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 07:58:06 2009
From: ambadas004 at gmail.com (Ambadas)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:58:06 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Hello:
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911082248k5e6d4c2bw414a703f35162ae4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e75e3eba0911082233j2ae1ac28n28f86f09dcb14de6@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911082248k5e6d4c2bw414a703f35162ae4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e75e3eba0911082258q78608f4bv68442e52ce49466b@mail.gmail.com>

hello sir,

 actually i want to build a program that can check syntax,no of function and
generate report  for c++ complied programe

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>  On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:03 PM, ambadas hunushnale
> <ambadas004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > hi,
> >  can any body help me...
> >  i want to build code checker for c++ program using python langusge.....
>
> Can you elaborate a little on what you mean by "code checker"?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>  _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From ambadas004 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 07:59:09 2009
From: ambadas004 at gmail.com (Ambadas)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:59:09 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Hello:
In-Reply-To: <da81a0a80911082237p2efc0bb0i8d02ed714cda4d15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e75e3eba0911082233j2ae1ac28n28f86f09dcb14de6@mail.gmail.com>
	<da81a0a80911082237p2efc0bb0i8d02ed714cda4d15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e75e3eba0911082259r37eaf042i9db26e1f18fe3b5a@mail.gmail.com>

hello,
i want to build a programe that can check function ,syntax of c++ complied
program and generate report

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Amit Sethi <amit.pureenergy at gmail.com>wrote:

> I don't exactly understand what you mean by code checker? but if you
> require
> some thing that can do context free grammar conversion you can use nltk.
>
>
> --
> A-M-I-T S|S
> _______________________________________________
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>

From ranganaths at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 08:01:57 2009
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:31:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hello:
In-Reply-To: <e75e3eba0911082258q78608f4bv68442e52ce49466b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e75e3eba0911082233j2ae1ac28n28f86f09dcb14de6@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911082248k5e6d4c2bw414a703f35162ae4@mail.gmail.com>
	<e75e3eba0911082258q78608f4bv68442e52ce49466b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77bb36840911082301l59614edpc1f921a550052766@mail.gmail.com>

You can use ANTLR (a python target) .. http://antlr.org/ should be the right
place for you start..

Ranganath

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Ambadas <ambadas004 at gmail.com> wrote:

> hello sir,
>
>  actually i want to build a program that can check syntax,no of function
> and
> generate report  for c++ complied programe
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:03 PM, ambadas hunushnale
> > <ambadas004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >  can any body help me...
> > >  i want to build code checker for c++ program using python
> langusge.....
> >
> > Can you elaborate a little on what you mean by "code checker"?
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> >  _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From ambadas004 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 08:05:32 2009
From: ambadas004 at gmail.com (Ambadas)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:05:32 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Hello:
In-Reply-To: <77bb36840911082301l59614edpc1f921a550052766@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e75e3eba0911082233j2ae1ac28n28f86f09dcb14de6@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911082248k5e6d4c2bw414a703f35162ae4@mail.gmail.com>
	<e75e3eba0911082258q78608f4bv68442e52ce49466b@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840911082301l59614edpc1f921a550052766@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e75e3eba0911082305k1b7e0115yf81b182431b2de9f@mail.gmail.com>

thank's for ur supporting...

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can use ANTLR (a python target) .. http://antlr.org/ should be the
> right
> place for you start..
>
> Ranganath
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Ambadas <ambadas004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > hello sir,
> >
> >  actually i want to build a program that can check syntax,no of function
> > and
> > generate report  for c++ complied programe
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >  On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:03 PM, ambadas hunushnale
> > > <ambadas004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > hi,
> > > >  can any body help me...
> > > >  i want to build code checker for c++ program using python
> > langusge.....
> > >
> > > Can you elaborate a little on what you mean by "code checker"?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~noufal
> > > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> I blog at http://ranganaths.wordpress.com
>  _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From pythonic at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 09:03:53 2009
From: pythonic at gmail.com (Shekhar)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:33:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Noufal
Message-ID: <4AF7CCE9.1080109@gmail.com>

By now many people must be aware but I spotted this today.
http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2009/10/third-quarter-community-service-awards.html
Congratulations Noufal and thanks for your work so far.

Shekhar

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 12:19:05 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:49:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 3rd saturday 21st
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00911100319i7d207962uc9b3ef0e851406da@mail.gmail.com>

What's the plan? Speakers/presenters please standup

-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 12:26:33 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:56:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 3rd saturday 21st
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00911100319i7d207962uc9b3ef0e851406da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00911100319i7d207962uc9b3ef0e851406da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911100326g60474264i902f9bddb7df0f33@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
> What's the plan? Speakers/presenters please standup

Is it possible to get the LLVM talk then? That would be nice.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Nov 10 12:41:39 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:11:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 3rd saturday 21st
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911100326g60474264i902f9bddb7df0f33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01C37CE5@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

 
Is it possible for you people to share the slides or pdf's  of  talks
you have??
Atleast if you upload them on slideshare or scribd that would be very
much helpful to people 
like me who live in Hyderabad.!!

-----

you never learn something until you have to write something in it, until
you have to live and breathe it.
 It's one thing to go learn a language for fun, but until you write some
big, complex system in it,you don't really learn it.

---Brad Fitzpatrick

 


-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org
[mailto:bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.o
rg] On Behalf Of Noufal Ibrahim
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:57 PM
To: ramdaz at gmail.com; Bangalore Python Users Group - India
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] 3rd saturday 21st

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
> What's the plan? Speakers/presenters please standup

Is it possible to get the LLVM talk then? That would be nice.



--
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in
_______________________________________________
BangPypers mailing list
BangPypers at python.org
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From kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 18:37:53 2009
From: kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com (Kadambari Devarajan)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:07:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India 2009 - Call for Papers
Message-ID: <ad668e4f0911100937i51725cfayd657dd9ecce2d8d2@mail.gmail.com>

Call for Presentations
======================

The SciPy India 2009 Program Committee is currently developing the
conference program.  We are seeking presentations from industry as well as
the academic world.

We look forward to hearing your recent breakthroughs using Python! Please
read the full 'call for papers' <http://scipy.in/talks-cfp/>.

SciPy India 2009 Conference
---------------------------

The first 'SciPy India Conference' <http://scipy.in> will be held from
December 12th to 17th, 2009 at the 'Technopark in
Trivandrum'<http://www.technopark.org/>, Kerala, India.

The theme of the conference will be "Scientific Python in Action" with
respect to application and teaching.  We are pleased to have Travis
Oliphant, the creator and lead developer of 'numpy'
<http://numpy.scipy.org>as the keynote speaker.

Please register here <http://scipy.in>.

Important Dates
---------------

* Friday, Nov. 20: Abstracts Due
* Friday, Nov. 27: Announce accepted talks, post schedule
* Saturday-Sunday, Dec. 12-13:  Conference
* Monday-Tuesday, Dec. 14-15:  Tutorials
* Wednesday-Thursday, Dec. 16-17: Sprints

Organizers
----------

* Jarrod Millman, Neuroscience Institute, UC Berkeley, USA (Conference
Co-Chair)
* Prabhu Ramachandran, Department of Aerospace Engineering,
 IIT Bombay, India (Conference Co-Chair)
* FOSSEE Team

Sponsors
--------

* National Mission On Education through ICT - Ministry of Human
Resource Development, Government of India
* SPACE-Kerala (India)
* Kerala State IT Mission(KSITM)
* SIG-FOSS Of CSIy


-- 
Check out my blog at
http://kadambarid.livejournal.com

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 04:13:08 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:43:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT][x-POST] New programming language: Go
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780911101913k5037c72dpb879e8949944499a@mail.gmail.com>

Just picked this off the news:

http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/11/hey-ho-lets-go.html

There's a youtube techtalk vid too.

Opinions?

-- 
Roshan Mathews
http://teamtalk.im

From artagnon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 04:30:28 2009
From: artagnon at gmail.com (Ramkumar Ramachandra)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:00:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About llvm and llvm-py
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910270027w1b25f44fm7406a1f8fd3c37a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910262349n1459d405lb738d7e076f53b86@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910270027w1b25f44fm7406a1f8fd3c37a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3271550911101930u6ab4856dl99115d12215f63d4@mail.gmail.com>

> This is awesome. I'm extremely eager to get my fingers dirty with LLVM
> since I think the unladen swallow project is one of the most promising
> optimisation attempts for Python.

You might be interested in the first talk here |
http://artagnon.com/2009/11/my-foss-in2009-talk-abstracts/

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 07:04:23 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:34:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About llvm and llvm-py
In-Reply-To: <f3271550911101930u6ab4856dl99115d12215f63d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910262349n1459d405lb738d7e076f53b86@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910270027w1b25f44fm7406a1f8fd3c37a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3271550911101930u6ab4856dl99115d12215f63d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911102204r74cbcbb2y8b6dedcbaa535a55@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Ramkumar Ramachandra
<artagnon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is awesome. I'm extremely eager to get my fingers dirty with LLVM
>> since I think the unladen swallow project is one of the most promising
>> optimisation attempts for Python.
>
> You might be interested in the first talk here |
> http://artagnon.com/2009/11/my-foss-in2009-talk-abstracts/

Indeed. Thanks.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From mdevan.foobar at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 07:11:03 2009
From: mdevan.foobar at gmail.com (Mahadevan R)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:41:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hi.
Message-ID: <c8033d570911102211i675fc57v97f7e47ab3ac7f8b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

I'm Mahadevan. Sriram had invited me to give a talk about LLVM and
llvm-py (I'm the author of the latter).

I was planning to be ready by this weekend, but things have been to
busy this week. I saw the other thread with a date of Nov 21st, but
I've other engagements on that day. Nov 22nd (Sunday) or the weekend
after that (28,29) would be OK with me. Please let me know.

Also I wanted to get an idea of what you'd like me to cover during the
talk. Sriram suggested a 50-50 mix of LLVM and llvm-py. Here is a
possible list of topics:

 * LLVM overview
 * IR, LLVM assembly, bitcode, optimization passes
 * Subprojects: clang, llvm-gcc, vmkit, mc, compiler-rt
 * Wrapping the LLVM API; creating llvm-py
 * llvm-py overview; examples

Again, let me know your suggestions.

Regards,
-MD.

PS: I'm usually called just "MD", hence the signature :-)

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 07:33:34 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:03:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hi.
In-Reply-To: <c8033d570911102211i675fc57v97f7e47ab3ac7f8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c8033d570911102211i675fc57v97f7e47ab3ac7f8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911102233r3622fc04n403b981bc42b3e52@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Mahadevan R <mdevan.foobar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm Mahadevan. Sriram had invited me to give a talk about LLVM and
> llvm-py (I'm the author of the latter).
>
> I was planning to be ready by this weekend, but things have been to
> busy this week. I saw the other thread with a date of Nov 21st, but
> I've other engagements on that day. Nov 22nd (Sunday) or the weekend
> after that (28,29) would be OK with me. Please let me know.

+1 for 22nd.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 07:42:00 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:12:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hi.
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911102233r3622fc04n403b981bc42b3e52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c8033d570911102211i675fc57v97f7e47ab3ac7f8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911102233r3622fc04n403b981bc42b3e52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d62196a0911102242i2e50a685t4f95faaae9aee269@mail.gmail.com>

yeh +1 for 22nd from me too.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Mahadevan R <mdevan.foobar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I'm Mahadevan. Sriram had invited me to give a talk about LLVM and
> > llvm-py (I'm the author of the latter).
> >
> > I was planning to be ready by this weekend, but things have been to
> > busy this week. I saw the other thread with a date of Nov 21st, but
> > I've other engagements on that day. Nov 22nd (Sunday) or the weekend
> > after that (28,29) would be OK with me. Please let me know.
>
> +1 for 22nd.
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 07:43:15 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:13:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hi.
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911102233r3622fc04n403b981bc42b3e52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c8033d570911102211i675fc57v97f7e47ab3ac7f8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911102233r3622fc04n403b981bc42b3e52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49977f270911102243w5afd1815t3fa42418348b761c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for 22nd.
>

+1

-- Sriram

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 08:05:03 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:35:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google's Go - "Python meets C++"
Message-ID: <49977f270911102305i1895c268x8315aeddc5477eab@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/10/google-go-language/

-- Sriram

From varunthacker at aol.in  Wed Nov 11 09:53:25 2009
From: varunthacker at aol.in (varunthacker at aol.in)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:53:25 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
Message-ID: <8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>

I just heard about Google Go.My first reaction was of excitement.But 
when i read about it i'm clueless as to what is it aiming for?
What do every feel about it?

this is the link to the blog post announcing Go.
http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/11/hey-ho-lets-go.html

Regards,
Varun Thacker
http://varunthacker.wordpress.com



From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 10:12:25 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:42:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780911110112y469e9eebwd27c3e523bd18c4c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM,  <varunthacker at aol.in> wrote:
> I just heard about Google Go.My first reaction was of excitement.But when i
> read about it i'm clueless as to what is it aiming for?
> What do every feel about it?
>
Did you see the video [1] linked from that link?  They say it's for
systems programming.

There are already two mails about Go on this list.

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwoWei-GAPo


-- 
Roshan Mathews
http://teamtalk.im

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 10:21:20 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:51:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780911110112y469e9eebwd27c3e523bd18c4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<1c4dc2780911110112y469e9eebwd27c3e523bd18c4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30911110121k3acf8675rbd13821328e56cfb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM,  <varunthacker at aol.in> wrote:
> > I just heard about Google Go.My first reaction was of excitement.But when
> i
> > read about it i'm clueless as to what is it aiming for?
> > What do every feel about it?
> >
> Did you see the video [1] linked from that link?  They say it's for
> systems programming.
>

"
package main

import "fmt"

func main() {
  fmt.Printf("Hello, ??\n")
}
"

I wonder if it is aimed at Chinese system programming...



>
> There are already two mails about Go on this list.
>
> [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwoWei-GAPo
>
>
> --
> Roshan Mathews
> http://teamtalk.im
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From mdevan.foobar at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 10:37:09 2009
From: mdevan.foobar at gmail.com (Mahadevan R)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:07:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM,  <varunthacker at aol.in> wrote:
> I just heard about Google Go.My first reaction was of excitement.But when i
> read about it i'm clueless as to what is it aiming for?
> What do every feel about it?
>
> this is the link to the blog post announcing Go.
> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/11/hey-ho-lets-go.html

The last line of the post was the most impressive:

"By Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, Ken Thompson, Ian Taylor, Russ Cox,
Jini Kim and Adam Langley - The Go Team"

Wow!

Regards,
-MD.

>
> Regards,
> Varun Thacker
> http://varunthacker.wordpress.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 10:45:49 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:15:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00911110145y2ad1e6e0jeb827ee3f5aa6a06@mail.gmail.com>

Its an exciting time to be a Python programmer.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Mahadevan R <mdevan.foobar at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM,  <varunthacker at aol.in> wrote:
> > I just heard about Google Go.My first reaction was of excitement.But when
> i
> > read about it i'm clueless as to what is it aiming for?
> > What do every feel about it?
> >
> > this is the link to the blog post announcing Go.
> > http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/11/hey-ho-lets-go.html
>
> The last line of the post was the most impressive:
>
> "By Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, Ken Thompson, Ian Taylor, Russ Cox,
> Jini Kim and Adam Langley - The Go Team"
>
> Wow!
>
> Regards,
> -MD.
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Varun Thacker
> > http://varunthacker.wordpress.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 11:12:41 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:42:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Mahadevan R <mdevan.foobar at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> "By Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, Ken Thompson, Ian Taylor, Russ Cox,
> Jini Kim and Adam Langley - The Go Team"
[..]

That caught my eye too but another language?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 11:29:02 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:59:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Mahadevan R <mdevan.foobar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> [..]
> > "By Robert Griesemer, Rob Pike, Ken Thompson, Ian Taylor, Russ Cox,
> > Jini Kim and Adam Langley - The Go Team"
> [..]
>
> That caught my eye too but another language?
>

But I don't see the Python connection at all here.

 "Go is mostly in the C family (basic syntax), with significant input from
the Pascal/Modula/Oberon family (declarations, packages), plus some ideas
from languages inspired by Tony Hoare's CSP, such as Newsqueak and Limbo
(concurrency)"

 In the entire FAQ the word "Python" is just mentioned once.
 The Python line seems to be a marketing thing to me.

 Also this line is funny.

 "The company says that Go is experimental, and that it combines the
performance and security benefits associated with using a compiled language
like C++ with the speed of a dynamic language like Python"

 Heh, speed of Python and security of C++ ? I thought it should be the other
way around! Who did the marketing for this...!



> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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>



-- 
--Anand

From pasokan at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 11:32:06 2009
From: pasokan at gmail.com (Asokan Pichai)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:02:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5de036dc0911110232n2f6d06c8sb0abcf9556235b4a@mail.gmail.com>

[snip]
> ?Also this line is funny.
>
> ?"The company says that Go is experimental, and that it combines the
> performance and security benefits associated with using a compiled language
> like C++ with the speed of a dynamic language like Python"
>
> ?Heh, speed of Python and security of C++ ? I thought it should be the other
> way around! Who did the marketing for this...!
>
>
One presumes they meant development speed.

-- 
Asokan Pichai
*-------------------*
We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 11:32:30 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:02:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911110232w52040e13y146346408576f0f7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ?"The company says that Go is experimental, and that it combines the
> performance and security benefits associated with using a compiled language
> like C++ with the speed of a dynamic language like Python"

Perhaps they meant speed of development and the security associated
with strong static typing.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 11:47:08 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:17:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00911110247h1dce9183uc5d6ac1e23047255@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> But I don't see the Python connection at all here.
>
>
Yeah! I jumped the line without reading. Actually going through now and
downloading the stuff I cant see much  from Python perspective, that bloody
language is full of braces, but yes syntactically its more sugary and clean

I guess it might be a lesser learning curve for someone from Python
background,  learning Go than C++.




-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From steve at lonetwin.net  Wed Nov 11 12:18:54 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:48:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00911110247h1dce9183uc5d6ac1e23047255@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>	<c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>	<9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>	<8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00911110247h1dce9183uc5d6ac1e23047255@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AFA9D9E.7030509@lonetwin.net>

On 11/11/2009 04:17 PM, Ramdas S wrote:
>>
>>
>>  But I don't see the Python connection at all here.
>>
>>
> Yeah! I jumped the line without reading. Actually going through now and
> downloading the stuff I cant see much  from Python perspective, that bloody
> language is full of braces, but yes syntactically its more sugary and clean
>
seriously ?? no, really, are you serious ? you got more sugary from 
Titlecase.Method.Names ? (Printf now requires a damn shift key !! what was ken 
thompson thinking ??).

That was my first reaction.

Well, other than that, I think it is pretty nice language ...but doesn't really 
/stand out/ for anything in particular (like python's simplicity and beauty did, 
when I first made its acquaintance). Then again I am not a  polyglot as far as 
programming is concerned ...so I might not be able to appreciate it's value 
...yet ...

cheers,
- steve


-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 12:52:24 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:22:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911110232w52040e13y146346408576f0f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110232w52040e13y146346408576f0f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30911110352m4dfb0c9u591596c55926f130@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
> >  "The company says that Go is experimental, and that it combines the
> > performance and security benefits associated with using a compiled
> language
> > like C++ with the speed of a dynamic language like Python"
>
> Perhaps they meant speed of development and the security associated
> with strong static typing.
>

 Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good
 disambiguation there I daresay. But "security benefits associated to
 a compiled language" -  I fall flat there since I don't see any
 correlation with a language being compiled and its security!

 Pretty shoddy marketing this...


>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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>



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--Anand

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:00:05 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:30:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110352m4dfb0c9u591596c55926f130@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110232w52040e13y146346408576f0f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110352m4dfb0c9u591596c55926f130@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00911110400vea45111mde7815be6c70ddb7@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> > <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > [..]
> > >  "The company says that Go is experimental, and that it combines the
> > > performance and security benefits associated with using a compiled
> > language
> > > like C++ with the speed of a dynamic language like Python"
> >
> > Perhaps they meant speed of development and the security associated
> > with strong static typing.
> >
>
>  Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good
>  disambiguation there I daresay. But "security benefits associated to
>  a compiled language" -  I fall flat there since I don't see any
>  correlation with a language being compiled and its security!
>
>  Pretty shoddy marketing this...
>


That's what the big boys of the world wants you to believe. I had met a very
senior official in the government a techy himself and spent 3 hours showing
him virtues of Python and Django, hoping that they will change the RFP
terms.

I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed  on a proven
technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his
consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for mission
critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another point
altogether.....



> >
> >
> > --
> > ~noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > _______________________________________________
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> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
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>



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From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:18:18 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:48:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00911110400vea45111mde7815be6c70ddb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
	<c8033d570911110137vca1597ax57b6796997906143@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110232w52040e13y146346408576f0f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110352m4dfb0c9u591596c55926f130@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> > > <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > [..]
> > > >  "The company says that Go is experimental, and that it combines the
> > > > performance and security benefits associated with using a compiled
> > > language
> > > > like C++ with the speed of a dynamic language like Python"
> > >
> > > Perhaps they meant speed of development and the security associated
> > > with strong static typing.
> > >
> >
> >  Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good
> >  disambiguation there I daresay. But "security benefits associated to
> >  a compiled language" -  I fall flat there since I don't see any
> >  correlation with a language being compiled and its security!
> >
> >  Pretty shoddy marketing this...
> >
>
>
> That's what the big boys of the world wants you to believe. I had met a
> very
> senior official in the government a techy himself and spent 3 hours showing
> him virtues of Python and Django, hoping that they will change the RFP
> terms.
>
> I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed  on a proven
> technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his
> consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for mission
> critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another point
> altogether.....
>

  The point is that so called compiled languages provide more security
 loop-holes than interpreted ones. C++/C for example provide liberal
 scope for buffer overflow exploits due to use of pointers and manual
 memory management.

 Accessing any buffer outside the scope of your data structures is always
 a potential window for the malicious hacker for buffer overflow exploits.
 And C/C++ are notorious for making this easy providing you with
 different ways of shooting yourself in the foot...


>
>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~noufal
> > > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
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From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:25:16 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:55:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110352m4dfb0c9u591596c55926f130@mail.gmail.com>
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> Go combines the development speed of working in a dynamic language 
> like Python with the performance and safety of a compiled language 
> like C or C++.
It could just be the cynic in me, but this looks a lot like the 
marketing MS did to sell VB.Net to VB devs. Vague phrases that aren't 
precisely inaccurate, but aren't very clear, targeted at a very specific 
audience that (presumably) aren't experts in other areas.

I understand it's fun to create and play with languages, so good stuff, 
but the goals of this language seem a little vague. I like the fact that 
Go has reflection (but I haven't looked into how comprehensive that is) 
but every other design goal they've talked about seems to be already met 
by Objective-C (systems programming, fast, statically typed, closures, 
elegant OO, gc etc. + message passing which Go doesn't mention).

Plus I'm always vaguely annoyed every time I run into the assertion that 
static typing in some way increases the 'safety' of the code.

Best,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in
http://twitter.com/ponnappa

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:34:28 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:04:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
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>   The point is that so called compiled languages provide more security
>  loop-holes than interpreted ones. C++/C for example provide liberal
>  scope for buffer overflow exploits due to use of pointers and manual
>  memory management.
>
>  Accessing any buffer outside the scope of your data structures is always
>  a potential window for the malicious hacker for buffer overflow exploits.
>  And C/C++ are notorious for making this easy providing you with
>  different ways of shooting yourself in the foot...
>


Agreed,  but outside our group how many people believe that

>
>>
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > ~noufal
>> > > http://nibrahim.net.in
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BangPypers mailing list
>> > > BangPypers at python.org
>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > --Anand
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ramdas S
>> +91 9342 583 065
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>


-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:36:33 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:06:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110352m4dfb0c9u591596c55926f130@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good
> ?disambiguation there I daresay. But "security benefits associated to
> ?a compiled language" - ?I fall flat there since I don't see any
> ?correlation with a language being compiled and its security!
>
> ?Pretty shoddy marketing this...
>
The Go people said this?  Where are you quoting from?

-- 
Roshan Mathews
http://teamtalk.im

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:37:18 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:07:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00911110400vea45111mde7815be6c70ddb7@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed  on a proven
> technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his
> consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for mission
> critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another point
> altogether.....
I do hope you snidely pointed out to him that half of Google runs on 
Python? :D

Best,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in
http://twitter.com/ponnappa


From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:39:03 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:09:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> I do hope you snidely pointed out to him that half of Google runs on Python?
> :D
>
Which half?  :)

http://groups.google.com/group/unladen-swallow/browse_thread/thread/4edbc406f544643e


-- 
Roshan Mathews
http://teamtalk.im

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:44:32 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:14:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110418p2ee685aeg5ea57b61a4caab65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?The point is that so called compiled languages provide more security
> ?loop-holes than interpreted ones. C++/C for example provide liberal
> ?scope for buffer overflow exploits due to use of pointers and manual
> ?memory management.
>
> ?Accessing any buffer outside the scope of your data structures is always
> ?a potential window for the malicious hacker for buffer overflow exploits.
> ?And C/C++ are notorious for making this easy providing you with
> ?different ways of shooting yourself in the foot...
>
That would be because C/C++ are weakly typed, not because they are
compiled.  Java is compiled right, does it have buffer overruns?

I would assume that people are arguing for strong typing for
efficiency.  A language with run time dynamic dispatch, like say
Python, will always be slower than something which is statically
typed.

The "looks like Python, runs like C++" is more than just marketing
speak.  I don't know anything about Go, beyond that what I saw in the
Youtube video.  But that's the exact same "ideal characteristic" that
other language designers are aiming for, from the few that I know.

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Nov 11 13:52:58 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:52:58 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <4AFA9D9E.7030509@lonetwin.net>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:18 AM, steve <steve at lonetwin.net> wrote:
> On 11/11/2009 04:17 PM, Ramdas S wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ?But I don't see the Python connection at all here.
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah! I jumped the line without reading. Actually going through now and
>> downloading the stuff I cant see much ?from Python perspective, that
>> bloody
>> language is full of braces, but yes syntactically its more sugary and
>> clean
>>
> seriously ?? no, really, are you serious ? you got more sugary from
> Titlecase.Method.Names ? (Printf now requires a damn shift key !! what was
> ken thompson thinking ??).

Case defines scope.

Capitalised variables/methods (eg:Telephone) are public.
ones starting in lower case (eg:telephone) are private.

+PG

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:55:34 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:25:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780911110436n3145f335h476a3074b676e149@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good
> >  disambiguation there I daresay. But "security benefits associated to
> >  a compiled language" -  I fall flat there since I don't see any
> >  correlation with a language being compiled and its security!
> >
> >  Pretty shoddy marketing this...
> >
> The Go people said this?  Where are you quoting from?
>
>
 Not sure if go people said this. But it is in the techcrunch link
 posted by Sriram, in another thread, 1st paragraph.

 http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/10/google-go-language/

 I didn't make it up :-)

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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Nov 11 13:58:55 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:58:55 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00911110400vea45111mde7815be6c70ddb7@mail.gmail.com>
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> That's what the big boys of the world wants you to believe. I had met a very
> senior official in the government a techy himself and spent 3 hours showing
> him virtues of Python and Django, hoping that they will change the RFP
> terms.
>
> I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed ?on a proven
> technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his
> consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for mission
> critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another point
> altogether.....

That's because "big boys" define the market suitable to themselves.

1. it's easier to code more, take more time when using "proven technology"
2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
technology".

Anyway, one answer to "proven technology" bugaboo is Jython and
IronPython. It's still Java(platform) and .NET
with bi-directional compatibility.
+PG

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 13:58:56 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:28:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed  on a
>> proven
>> technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his
>> consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for mission
>> critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another
>> point
>> altogether.....
>>
> I do hope you snidely pointed out to him that half of Google runs on
> Python? :D
>

That's been the original pitch since some time. These days there are
creative lies also around some other companies
which may have couple of teams working on Python, and I sometimes paint a
picture that half the world runs on Python.


Problem is actually consultants are somehow trusted more, than a peddler of
services from a small IT shop. And since consultants also bill as a percent
of the project costs, they want to ensure that stuff that'll take more hours
to write, more hours to maintain, and almost always ends up in extended
budget costs get sold...

Well that's sad state of affairs....

> Best,
> Sidu.
> http://blog.sidu.in
> http://twitter.com/ponnappa
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:00:19 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:30:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  The point is that so called compiled languages provide more security
> >  loop-holes than interpreted ones. C++/C for example provide liberal
> >  scope for buffer overflow exploits due to use of pointers and manual
> >  memory management.
> >
> >  Accessing any buffer outside the scope of your data structures is always
> >  a potential window for the malicious hacker for buffer overflow
> exploits.
> >  And C/C++ are notorious for making this easy providing you with
> >  different ways of shooting yourself in the foot...
> >
> That would be because C/C++ are weakly typed, not because they are
> compiled.  Java is compiled right, does it have buffer overruns?
>
> I would assume that people are arguing for strong typing for
> efficiency.  A language with run time dynamic dispatch, like say
> Python, will always be slower than something which is statically
> typed.
>
> The "looks like Python, runs like C++" is more than just marketing
> speak.  I don't know anything about Go, beyond that what I saw in the
> Youtube video.  But that's the exact same "ideal characteristic" that
> other language designers are aiming for, from the few that I know.
>

 If you haven't noticed, "Looks like Python, runs like C++" has a lot of
 marketing potential, since Python has a reputation to be the cleanest
 of languages w.r.t syntax and readability and C++, that of power and speed.
  So if you say this is not marketing speak, I am not buying it...

 If you are designing a language which you claim is ultimate in this
 decade, that is exactly the punch line you want...



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From ideamonk at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:10:09 2009
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:40:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hello:
In-Reply-To: <e75e3eba0911082305k1b7e0115yf81b182431b2de9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e75e3eba0911082233j2ae1ac28n28f86f09dcb14de6@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911082248k5e6d4c2bw414a703f35162ae4@mail.gmail.com>
	<e75e3eba0911082258q78608f4bv68442e52ce49466b@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840911082301l59614edpc1f921a550052766@mail.gmail.com>
	<e75e3eba0911082305k1b7e0115yf81b182431b2de9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64160c70911110510g66d723a8i85cbfaad35507bc1@mail.gmail.com>

You can also get hints from reports generated by pylint for checking
c++ code quality.

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Nov 11 14:14:47 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:14:47 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110455v4c53095bu4aa7f3125af5f587@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > ?Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good
>> > ?disambiguation there I daresay. But "security benefits associated to
>> > ?a compiled language" - ?I fall flat there since I don't see any
>> > ?correlation with a language being compiled and its security!
>> >
>> > ?Pretty shoddy marketing this...
>> >
>> The Go people said this? ?Where are you quoting from?
>>
>>
> ?Not sure if go people said this. But it is in the techcrunch link
> ?posted by Sriram, in another thread, 1st paragraph.
>
> ?http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/10/google-go-language/
>
> ?I didn't make it up :-)

Straight from the horse's mouth:
http://golang.org/doc/go_lang_faq.html#creating_a_new_language

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:16:07 2009
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:46:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8CC30C390C47754-19B8-496@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM, <varunthacker at aol.in> wrote:

> I just heard about Google Go.My first reaction was of excitement.But when i
> read about it i'm clueless as to what is it aiming for?
> What do every feel about it?
>
> this is the link to the blog post announcing Go.
> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/11/hey-ho-lets-go.html
>
> Regards,
> Varun Thacker
> http://varunthacker.wordpress.com
>

FWIW (and for a laugh and a little healthy humorous digression), here's a
great thread on one of its issues
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9

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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:19:38 2009
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:49:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab890911110516p3e297f80h75ac1cbdeeed2332@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM, <varunthacker at aol.in> wrote:
>
>> I just heard about Google Go.My first reaction was of excitement.But when
>> i read about it i'm clueless as to what is it aiming for?
>> What do every feel about it?
>>
>> this is the link to the blog post announcing Go.
>> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/11/hey-ho-lets-go.html
>>
>> Regards,
>> Varun Thacker
>> http://varunthacker.wordpress.com
>>
>
> FWIW (and for a laugh and a little healthy humorous digression), here's a
> great thread on one of its issues
> http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9
>
>
On a more serious note, here's a thread on the unladen list suggesting some
conflict between python and go within google

http://groups.google.com/group/unladen-swallow/browse_thread/thread/4edbc406f544643e

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From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:20:14 2009
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:50:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00911110458h7b087da7ta4bb55c78267965b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
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Go - a son of C++ and python .. ??
to me it looked like verbose C .. first impression..not good. I mean it's
ok..but not to the level of Google. We expect better from mythical Google
engineers.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >> I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed  on a
> >> proven
> >> technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said
> his
> >> consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for
> mission
> >> critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another
> >> point
> >> altogether.....
> >>
> > I do hope you snidely pointed out to him that half of Google runs on
> > Python? :D
> >
>
> That's been the original pitch since some time. These days there are
> creative lies also around some other companies
> which may have couple of teams working on Python, and I sometimes paint a
> picture that half the world runs on Python.
>
>
> Problem is actually consultants are somehow trusted more, than a peddler of
> services from a small IT shop. And since consultants also bill as a percent
> of the project costs, they want to ensure that stuff that'll take more
> hours
> to write, more hours to maintain, and almost always ends up in extended
> budget costs get sold...
>
> Well that's sad state of affairs....
>
> > Best,
> > Sidu.
> > http://blog.sidu.in
> > http://twitter.com/ponnappa
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
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>

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:33:24 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:03:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110352m4dfb0c9u591596c55926f130@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ?Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good
> ?disambiguation there I daresay. But "security benefits associated to
> ?a compiled language" - ?I fall flat there since I don't see any
> ?correlation with a language being compiled and its security!
[..]

Security in this context meaning, I can distribute binary blobs of
code whose source you can't read.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From steve at lonetwin.net  Wed Nov 11 14:36:26 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:06:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70911110452m15ab0457r8e72478c0da233e0@mail.gmail.com>
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On 11/11/2009 06:22 PM, Pradeep Gowda wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:18 AM, steve<steve at lonetwin.net>  wrote:
>>  On 11/11/2009 04:17 PM, Ramdas S wrote:
>>>> [...snip...]
>>>  Yeah! I jumped the line without reading. Actually going through now and
>>>  downloading the stuff I cant see much  from Python perspective, that
>>>  bloody
>>>  language is full of braces, but yes syntactically its more sugary and
>>>  clean
>>>
>>  seriously ?? no, really, are you serious ? you got more sugary from
>>  Titlecase.Method.Names ? (Printf now requires a damn shift key !! what was
>>  ken thompson thinking ??).
>
> Case defines scope.
>
> Capitalised variables/methods (eg:Telephone) are public.
> ones starting in lower case (eg:telephone) are private.

Yikes ! even worse ! Why couldn't they just have switched it around and made the 
private variables/methods harder to type and the public ones easier ...like, for 
instance, you know ...in python.

cheers,
- steve
-- 
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tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:38:26 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:08:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70911110514o550c836bnb1b031cad1558f0c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> >> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >  Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good
> >> >  disambiguation there I daresay. But "security benefits associated to
> >> >  a compiled language" -  I fall flat there since I don't see any
> >> >  correlation with a language being compiled and its security!
> >> >
> >> >  Pretty shoddy marketing this...
> >> >
> >> The Go people said this?  Where are you quoting from?
> >>
> >>
> >  Not sure if go people said this. But it is in the techcrunch link
> >  posted by Sriram, in another thread, 1st paragraph.
> >
> >  http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/10/google-go-language/
> >
> >  I didn't make it up :-)
>
> Straight from the horse's mouth:
> http://golang.org/doc/go_lang_faq.html#creating_a_new_language
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

They seem to be having an MVC framework too,. Now another one :)

-- 
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+91 9342 583 065

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:49:56 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:19:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110455v4c53095bu4aa7f3125af5f587@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?Not sure if go people said this. But it is in the techcrunch link
> ?posted by Sriram, in another thread, 1st paragraph.
>
> ?http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/10/google-go-language/
>
> ?I didn't make it up :-)
>
Wasn't suggesting that you did. :)

Techcrunch isn't the best source to quote though.

From benignbala at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:52:53 2009
From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:22:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Shashwat Anand
<anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> Go - a son of C++ and python .. ??
> to me it looked like verbose C .. first impression..not good. I mean it's
> ok..but not to the level of Google. We expect better from mythical Google
> engineers.
>
 Well, more than Google, you should be looking at Ken Thompson nad Rob
Pike - the UNIX guys. I still have a hope somewhere deep down that
Thompson and Pike would not be doing something silly.

-- 
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Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.

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From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 15:00:21 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:30:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911110500j44ad253ara0abb12f834f0fc4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The "looks like Python, runs like C++" is more than just marketing
>> speak.
>
> ?If you haven't noticed, "Looks like Python, runs like C++" has a lot of
> ?marketing potential, since Python has a reputation to be the cleanest
> ?of languages w.r.t syntax and readability and C++, that of power and speed.
> ?So if you say this is not marketing speak, I am not buying it...
>
> ?If you are designing a language which you claim is ultimate in this
> ?decade, that is exactly the punch line you want...
>
Aye, that's why I say it's more than just marketing.  It's positive,
yes, subjective too, so maybe it's marketing-esque, but to just brush
it off as marketing speak means you miss out on what it is aiming for.
 I don't know if it is there yet.  Maybe it never will be, but there
are people designing languages to that ideal, not to that punchline.
Although, yes, I would grant that it does make a rather fine
punchline. :)

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 15:15:42 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:45:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
> >  Upon 2nd reading, I also thought they did, but not a very good
> >  disambiguation there I daresay. But "security benefits associated to
> >  a compiled language" -  I fall flat there since I don't see any
> >  correlation with a language being compiled and its security!
> [..]
>
> Security in this context meaning, I can distribute binary blobs of
> code whose source you can't read.
>

That is obscurity, not security ;)


>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 15:19:46 2009
From: harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com (Harish Mallipeddi)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:49:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  The point is that so called compiled languages provide more security
> >  loop-holes than interpreted ones. C++/C for example provide liberal
> >  scope for buffer overflow exploits due to use of pointers and manual
> >  memory management.
> >
> >  Accessing any buffer outside the scope of your data structures is always
> >  a potential window for the malicious hacker for buffer overflow
> exploits.
> >  And C/C++ are notorious for making this easy providing you with
> >  different ways of shooting yourself in the foot...
> >
> That would be because C/C++ are weakly typed, not because they are
> compiled.  Java is compiled right, does it have buffer overruns?
>
>
Going by the popular definition of weak/strong typing, what has weak typing
in C/C++ anything to do with buffer overflow errors? Javascript is weakly
typed but you don't have buffer overflow problems there.

I would assume that people are arguing for strong typing for
> efficiency.  A language with run time dynamic dispatch, like say
> Python, will always be slower than something which is statically
> typed.
>
>
Again why would strong typing get you efficiency?

-- 
Harish Mallipeddi
http://blog.poundbang.in

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 15:36:27 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:06:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] But IDEs rock! (was Google Go)
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>
> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
> technology"
I do most of my work in Ruby (and have done for a few years now). Every 
day I bemoan the lack of a powerful refactoring IDE like Java has in 
IntelliJ. A good IDE is a massive productivity booster; you can only get 
so far with a text editor*, no matter how many macros you have set up. 
Honestly.

Best,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in
http://twitter.com/ponnappa

* This is especially true of USD1800 text editors like Visual Studio.

Pradeep Gowda wrote:
>> That's what the big boys of the world wants you to believe. I had met a very
>> senior official in the government a techy himself and spent 3 hours showing
>> him virtues of Python and Django, hoping that they will change the RFP
>> terms.
>>
>> I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed  on a proven
>> technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his
>> consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for mission
>> critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another point
>> altogether.....
>>     
>
> That's because "big boys" define the market suitable to themselves.
>
> 1. it's easier to code more, take more time when using "proven technology"
> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
> technology".
>
> Anyway, one answer to "proven technology" bugaboo is Jython and
> IronPython. It's still Java(platform) and .NET
> with bi-directional compatibility.
> +PG
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>   

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:03:55 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:33:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Balachandran Sivakumar <
benignbala at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Shashwat Anand
> <anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Go - a son of C++ and python .. ??
> > to me it looked like verbose C .. first impression..not good. I mean it's
> > ok..but not to the level of Google. We expect better from mythical Google
> > engineers.
> >
>  Well, more than Google, you should be looking at Ken Thompson nad Rob
> Pike - the UNIX guys. I still have a hope somewhere deep down that
> Thompson and Pike would not be doing something silly.
>

 People are more likely to do altruistic things when they are young and work
 for just money when they are old...

 Derive -> Just because Ken and co produced legendary stuff back in the 70s
does not
 preclude them from producing shoddy stuff in the 2000's.



>
> --
> Thank you
> Balachandran Sivakumar
>
> Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.
>
> Mail: benignbala at gmail.com
> Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/
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From yuvipanda at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:07:45 2009
From: yuvipanda at gmail.com (Yuvi Panda)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:37:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] But IDEs rock! (was Google Go)
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VS is no just-text editor. But hey, that's a flame war waiting to happen!



On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
>> technology"
>>
> I do most of my work in Ruby (and have done for a few years now). Every day
> I bemoan the lack of a powerful refactoring IDE like Java has in IntelliJ. A
> good IDE is a massive productivity booster; you can only get so far with a
> text editor*, no matter how many macros you have set up. Honestly.
>
> Best,
> Sidu.
> http://blog.sidu.in
> http://twitter.com/ponnappa
>
> * This is especially true of USD1800 text editors like Visual Studio.
>
> Pradeep Gowda wrote:
>
>> That's what the big boys of the world wants you to believe. I had met a
>>> very
>>> senior official in the government a techy himself and spent 3 hours
>>> showing
>>> him virtues of Python and Django, hoping that they will change the RFP
>>> terms.
>>>
>>> I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed  on a
>>> proven
>>> technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his
>>> consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for mission
>>> critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another
>>> point
>>> altogether.....
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's because "big boys" define the market suitable to themselves.
>>
>> 1. it's easier to code more, take more time when using "proven technology"
>> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
>> technology".
>>
>> Anyway, one answer to "proven technology" bugaboo is Jython and
>> IronPython. It's still Java(platform) and .NET
>> with bi-directional compatibility.
>> +PG
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:08:46 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:38:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] But IDEs rock! (was Google Go)
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
>> technology"
>>
> I do most of my work in Ruby (and have done for a few years now). Every day
> I bemoan the lack of a powerful refactoring IDE like Java has in IntelliJ. A
> good IDE is a massive productivity booster; you can only get so far with a
> text editor*, no matter how many macros you have set up. Honestly.
>

 On E M A C S  since 1998 and not doing very bad either...


> Best,
> Sidu.
> http://blog.sidu.in
> http://twitter.com/ponnappa
>
> * This is especially true of USD1800 text editors like Visual Studio.
>
> Pradeep Gowda wrote:
>
>> That's what the big boys of the world wants you to believe. I had met a
>>> very
>>> senior official in the government a techy himself and spent 3 hours
>>> showing
>>> him virtues of Python and Django, hoping that they will change the RFP
>>> terms.
>>>
>>> I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed  on a
>>> proven
>>> technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his
>>> consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for mission
>>> critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another
>>> point
>>> altogether.....
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's because "big boys" define the market suitable to themselves.
>>
>> 1. it's easier to code more, take more time when using "proven technology"
>> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
>> technology".
>>
>> Anyway, one answer to "proven technology" bugaboo is Jython and
>> IronPython. It's still Java(platform) and .NET
>> with bi-directional compatibility.
>> +PG
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:13:12 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:43:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
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>
> Javascript is weakly
> typed but you don't have buffer overflow problems there.
That's something I've never understood even though the all powerful 
wikipedia says JS is weakly typed. Can someone give me an example to 
illustrate the weak typing?
> I would assume that people are arguing for strong typing for
>   
>> efficiency.  A language with run time dynamic dispatch, like say
>> Python, will always be slower than something which is statically
>> typed.
>>
>>
>>     
> Again why would strong typing get you efficiency?
>   
I think Anand meant statically typed (he used strongly typed first and 
then used statically typed while clearly referring to the same thing). 
Static typing certainly allows for a great deal of compile time 
optimization, neh?

Best,
Sidu.

Harish Mallipeddi wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>>  The point is that so called compiled languages provide more security
>>>  loop-holes than interpreted ones. C++/C for example provide liberal
>>>  scope for buffer overflow exploits due to use of pointers and manual
>>>  memory management.
>>>
>>>  Accessing any buffer outside the scope of your data structures is always
>>>  a potential window for the malicious hacker for buffer overflow
>>>       
>> exploits.
>>     
>>>  And C/C++ are notorious for making this easy providing you with
>>>  different ways of shooting yourself in the foot...
>>>
>>>       
>> That would be because C/C++ are weakly typed, not because they are
>> compiled.  Java is compiled right, does it have buffer overruns?
>>
>>
>>     
> Going by the popular definition of weak/strong typing, what has weak typing
> in C/C++ anything to do with buffer overflow errors? Javascript is weakly
> typed but you don't have buffer overflow problems there.
>
> I would assume that people are arguing for strong typing for
>   
>> efficiency.  A language with run time dynamic dispatch, like say
>> Python, will always be slower than something which is statically
>> typed.
>>
>>
>>     
> Again why would strong typing get you efficiency?
>
>   

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Nov 11 16:21:14 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:21:14 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] But IDEs rock! (was Google Go)
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
>> technology"
>
> I do most of my work in Ruby (and have done for a few years now). Every day
> I bemoan the lack of a powerful refactoring IDE like Java has in IntelliJ. A
> good IDE is a massive productivity booster; you can only get so far with a
> text editor*, no matter how many macros you have set up. Honestly.

My riff was on the "monkey" part, not on the IDE part. A programmer
who uses IDEs for
refactoring etc., is a more evolved primate, IMO ;)

The bogus argument about "proven technologies" often stems from the belief that
having a point-and-click-and-get-a-banana is a proof of maturity or
"enterprise-readiness" .

Platforms which are heavily IDE centric (eg: MS technologies) tend to
encourage their developers
to think inside the box (IDE) all the time. Even though most Java
programmers do use Eclipse/Netbeans/IntelliJ
it is not unheard of them to use vim/emacs more often than you hear a
.NET developer using them.

IDEs have their advantages. But more often than not, they also hide
complexity behind all the boiler-code and templates.
If programmers had to write XML by hand instead of having them
spit-out by the IDE, we would have seen saner uses of XML
in Java land, for instance.

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:36:35 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:06:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
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Harish,

I [shall carefully reply to] you because I had
[searched my mail and found] that you were a serious
man, to be treated with respect. But I must say no to
you and let me give you my reasons. It's true I have a
lot of friends in [software], but they wouldn't be so
friendly if they knew my business was [pontificating]
instead of [flaming] which they consider a harmless
vice. But [pontification], that's a dirty business.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Harish Mallipeddi
<harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Going by the popular definition of weak/strong typing, what has weak typing
> in C/C++ anything to do with buffer overflow errors? Javascript is weakly
> typed but you don't have buffer overflow problems there.
>

Hmm... this is going to get tricky, since everyone
seems to have different opinions on what these terms
mean.  I'm very confused about JavaScript.  Why do you
say it's weakly typed?

I did a quick web search on this, and most people seem
to agree with you, based on the fact that in
JavaScript:

>>> "hello" + 10
"hello10"
>>> 10 + "hello"
"10hello"

So everything can be, uh, "promoted" to a String.  But
can I, say, take an Object and treat it as a number?
Or an Array as a String?  Or is JavaScript weak in
certain directions and strong in others?

Maybe you should let on what you mean by strong/weak
typing.

What I meant by saying that weak typing in C/C++ causes
buffer overruns is that everything is just a memory
location, since you can arbitrarily switch between
pointers and types, which means that you can't have
sanity checks for array accesses (which are your buffer
overruns) without changing the language itself.

> I would assume that people are arguing for strong typing for
>> efficiency.  A language with run time dynamic dispatch, like say
>> Python, will always be slower than something which is statically
>> typed.
>>
>>
> Again why would strong typing get you efficiency?
>

Am I comparing apples and potatoes, if I am please do
let me know.  I say that run time dynamic dispatch is
slow because you always need to look things up,
specially in python since you can arbitrarily change
anything at runtime, on the other hand, if you have a
strongly typed language (thanks for catching that) then
you know at compile time what you want your code to do,
hence you don't have to find that out at runtime, time
saved doing that makes your language faster all other
things being equal.

I could be horribly wrong, I don't know enough about
programming languages to be sure.  So please do let me
know if you think so.

How about this, lets make it less controversial and
bring the talk back to safer ground: the best Python
code will always be slower than high quality C++ code
no matter how good the Python optimizers get.  Speed
might not be always important and yada-yada-yada,
that's irrelevant to the last statement. I write more
Python than C++, so yeah, I've heard of most of those
reasons.

Roshan

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:38:53 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:08:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] But IDEs rock! (was Google Go)
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> you can only get so far with a
> text editor*, no matter how many macros you have set up. Honestly.
>
Macros??  Really???  Don't you mean "no matter how many scripts you
have set up"????  :)

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:51:43 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:21:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] But IDEs rock! (was Google Go)
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Yes, yes, I know, I know. While I'm no vi or emacs guru, I've paired 
(for a fair amount of time) with experienced VI and Emacs users. 
Snippets, Ctags etc. help a great deal - but have you ever worked with 
an AST aware development environment where you can safely make 
structural changes across your entire codebase?

Try extracting an Interface from a Class and replace all references to 
the class with references to the interface across a 5000 class codebase 
by hand in a few seconds, without a single error afterward. How about 
add a parameter to a constructor, and have all references to said 
constructor changed? You can do all that and more with IntelliJ.

The thing is, code should be like clay in the hands of a hacker; the 
fact that we have to deal with the AST via a text 'view' *really* slows 
us down.  We often hesitate to make necessary changes because the manual 
effort involved in getting the refactoring done, and then testing it 
afterward for bugs is non-trivial. Even a simple 'Rename Class' 
refactoring can become a chore in a large codebase.

The guys at Intentional and JetBrains are taking a serious shot at 
letting us mould the AST directly - but until their efforts reach 
maturity, IntelliJ is the closest we're going to get to it (and its 
going to be open source soon). I'm happy to demo it sometime, too. Don't 
diss it until you've tried it, preferably on a non toy project.

Best,
Sidu.

Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>>> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
>>> technology"
>>>
>>>       
>> I do most of my work in Ruby (and have done for a few years now). Every day
>> I bemoan the lack of a powerful refactoring IDE like Java has in IntelliJ. A
>> good IDE is a massive productivity booster; you can only get so far with a
>> text editor*, no matter how many macros you have set up. Honestly.
>>
>>     
>
>  On E M A C S  since 1998 and not doing very bad either...
>
>
>   
>> Best,
>> Sidu.
>> http://blog.sidu.in
>> http://twitter.com/ponnappa
>>
>> * This is especially true of USD1800 text editors like Visual Studio.
>>
>> Pradeep Gowda wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> That's what the big boys of the world wants you to believe. I had met a
>>>       
>>>> very
>>>> senior official in the government a techy himself and spent 3 hours
>>>> showing
>>>> him virtues of Python and Django, hoping that they will change the RFP
>>>> terms.
>>>>
>>>> I found out yesterday that the application has to be developed  on a
>>>> proven
>>>> technology like Java,C++ or C#. When I spoke to the gentleman he said his
>>>> consultant said that dynamically typed languages are not safe for mission
>>>> critical work. The work is far from being mission-critical is another
>>>> point
>>>> altogether.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> That's because "big boys" define the market suitable to themselves.
>>>
>>> 1. it's easier to code more, take more time when using "proven technology"
>>> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
>>> technology".
>>>
>>> Anyway, one answer to "proven technology" bugaboo is Jython and
>>> IronPython. It's still Java(platform) and .NET
>>> with bi-directional compatibility.
>>> +PG
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:59:19 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:29:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] But IDEs rock! (was Google Go)
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Yeah, that too :)

Someday I will get of my ass and become a Emacs power user. Until then 
I'm muddling along with TextMate, snippets and a bunch of custom shell 
scripts. Of course 
http://martinfowler.com/bliki/IntentionalSoftware.html could become 
production ready first, in which case I may take longer :D

Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> you can only get so far with a
>> text editor*, no matter how many macros you have set up. Honestly.
>>
>>     
> Macros??  Really???  Don't you mean "no matter how many scripts you
> have set up"????  :)
> _______________________________________________
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:52:09 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:22:09 +0530
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
>> technology"
>>
> I do most of my work in Ruby (and have done for a few years now). Every day
> I bemoan the lack of a powerful refactoring IDE like Java has in IntelliJ. A
> good IDE is a massive productivity booster; you can only get so far with a
> text editor*, no matter how many macros you have set up. Honestly.
>

I think what Pradeep was stressing was the kind of coders who expect half
the software to be created by the magic of IDEs. I know several VB
developers who cannot write five lines of code all by themselves without the
familiar IDE interface. They exist, they are all around you. I have a
customer who is still implementing a project that was originally assigned to
a very Big IT shop (one among the top 3 in the country) which was supposed
to be completed in 2004. I see a battery of developers writing code every
day sitting at the customers place. I had show the original SRS document to
a senior project leader

No one here is debating the benefits of IDE. Even I wish there was a better
IDE for Python sometimes.

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 17:01:24 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:31:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] But IDEs rock! (was Google Go)
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2. It's easy to hire an IDE-aware monkey to do programming in "proven
>> technology"
>
> I do most of my work in Ruby (and have done for a few years now). Every day
> I bemoan the lack of a powerful refactoring IDE like Java has in IntelliJ. A
> good IDE is a massive productivity booster; you can only get so far with a
> text editor*, no matter how many macros you have set up. Honestly.[..]

Good editor support is definitely a productivity booster.

However, the OP's point is something I agree with. Too many people
come out these days whose experience in 'enterprise application
development' is to click on a few "Next>" buttons on a wizard and then
cut/paste some code. These people are slaves to their IDEs rather than
efficient users of a tool. That is something which I don't really
admire.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Nov 11 17:02:06 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:02:06 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] But IDEs rock! (was Google Go)
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, yes, I know, I know. While I'm no vi or emacs guru, I've paired (for a
> fair amount of time) with experienced VI and Emacs users. Snippets, Ctags
> etc. help a great deal - but have you ever worked with an AST aware
> development environment where you can safely make structural changes across
> your entire codebase?
>
> Try extracting an Interface from a Class and replace all references to the
> class with references to the interface across a 5000 class codebase by hand
> in a few seconds, without a single error afterward. How about add a
> parameter to a constructor, and have all references to said constructor
> changed? You can do all that and more with IntelliJ.
>
> The thing is, code should be like clay in the hands of a hacker; the fact
> that we have to deal with the AST via a text 'view' *really* slows us down.
> ?We often hesitate to make necessary changes because the manual effort
> involved in getting the refactoring done, and then testing it afterward for
> bugs is non-trivial. Even a simple 'Rename Class' refactoring can become a
> chore in a large codebase.
>
> The guys at Intentional and JetBrains are taking a serious shot at letting
> us mould the AST directly - but until their efforts reach maturity, IntelliJ
> is the closest we're going to get to it (and its going to be open source
> soon). I'm happy to demo it sometime, too. Don't diss it until you've tried
> it, preferably on a non toy project.
>

Do I sense a pining for LISP here? AST, clay etc.,  ;)

I have heard great things about IntelliJ IDEA. I'll give it a shot in
my next Java foray.
AFAIK, the open source, community edition of IDEA is going to have a
subset of the features.

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 17:13:38 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:43:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] But IDEs rock! (was Google Go)
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, yes, I know, I know. While I'm no vi or emacs guru, I've paired (for a
> fair amount of time) with experienced VI and Emacs users. Snippets, Ctags
> etc. help a great deal - but have you ever worked with an AST aware
> development environment where you can safely make structural changes across
> your entire codebase?

I'd much prefer an AST aware code refactoring tool which my editor can
interface with rather than something built into my editor. Separate
components that communicate with each other etc. The whole UNIX
thing.*

I'll admit that I not very much into the agile workflow so refactoring
is not something I do heavily. Perhaps I'd see things differently if
that was the case.

I'd also like to use the same 'editor' for all my text-typing needs
(that includes code, email, documentation, essays, blogs, IRC etc.).
It's quite nice to have the same keystrokes, macros and other things
work consistently in all places where I have to type. You probably
know what I use by now. :)

[..]

* Since this came up (and I think I've already mentioned this to you),
you should check out the wily editor -
http://www.cse.yorku.ca/~oz/wily/. Not just refactoring, but it even
delegates global search/replace to an external process. :)

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 18:47:24 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:17:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python place holder doubt
Message-ID: <ae55eb500911110947v3fc24e20v70434c0c72ed9bdc@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All

What is wrong with this expression

url = self.BASEURL + "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d

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JAGANADH G
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Sent from Chennai, TN, India

From sbabu.bly at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 19:10:17 2009
From: sbabu.bly at gmail.com (satyandra babu)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need help for SpiffWorkflow
Message-ID: <db21be370911111010k25042a67y8bae698c7268f528@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Can anybody help me on spiffworkflow?

code is given here http://code.google.com/p/spiff-workflow/ i am not able to
get documentation for this, if anyone of you can help me, i will be very
greatfull.

Its based on http://workflowpatterns.com/, and big library to implement
Workflow.I dont have any pror knowledge of it.

So please help me, How we can use it?

Thanks in Advance.

Thanks


Regards
Satya

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Nov 11 19:11:05 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:11:05 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Python place holder doubt
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
> url = self.BASEURL + "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d

Did you mean:
 url = self.BASEURL + "pmid=%d" % (d, ) + "&tag=ntag&type=ge"  ?

Even though this might fix your problem, don't use it.

To encode URLs always use urlencode: http://docs.python.org/library/urllib.html
which is part of the standard library.

Using "+" to concat more than two strings is definitely unpythonic.

Also:
Do NOT cross post to multiple lists.

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 19:32:14 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:02:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python place holder doubt
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70911111011m43a38015n1d32b81414d7c6b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500911110947v3fc24e20v70434c0c72ed9bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70911111011m43a38015n1d32b81414d7c6b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ae55eb500911111032r77456e7bg857bb41ac61ba520@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > url = self.BASEURL + "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d
>
> Did you mean:
>  url = self.BASEURL + "pmid=%d" % (d, ) + "&tag=ntag&type=ge"  ?
>
> Even though this might fix your problem, don't use it.
>
> To encode URLs always use urlencode:
> http://docs.python.org/library/urllib.html
> which is part of the standard library.
>
> Using "+" to concat more than two strings is definitely unpythonic.
>
> Also:
> Do NOT cross post to multiple lists.
>

Thanks it works .

-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 19:32:33 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:02:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python place holder doubt
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70911111011m43a38015n1d32b81414d7c6b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500911110947v3fc24e20v70434c0c72ed9bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70911111011m43a38015n1d32b81414d7c6b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ae55eb500911111032w75bebe46wb60527cc42025650@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > url = self.BASEURL + "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d
>
> Did you mean:
>  url = self.BASEURL + "pmid=%d" % (d, ) + "&tag=ntag&type=ge"  ?
>
> Even though this might fix your problem, don't use it.
>
> To encode URLs always use urlencode:
> http://docs.python.org/library/urllib.html
> which is part of the standard library.
>
> Using "+" to concat more than two strings is definitely unpythonic.
>
> Thanks
-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

Sent from Chennai, TN, India

From ramp99 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 05:26:51 2009
From: ramp99 at gmail.com (Rama Rao Polneni)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:56:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython : List box
Message-ID: <9a8a0e230911112026k75857e62s7325435220ad8b26@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Can you please help me in writing python code for the follwing requirement.

I have a list box. In which I need to browse multiple files from multiple
locations and need to show them in the list box.

Then I will be able to read all the file names("all" means-No
selection/deselction mechanism) in the list box and to print them.

Thanks in advance,
Rama Rao

From david.lyon at preisshare.net  Thu Nov 12 05:25:51 2009
From: david.lyon at preisshare.net (David Lyon)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:25:51 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython : List box
In-Reply-To: <9a8a0e230911112026k75857e62s7325435220ad8b26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a8a0e230911112026k75857e62s7325435220ad8b26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <456cffcc473fc4b4b075d3d347c758dc@preisshare.net>


Rama,

Best thing to do is download Boa Constructor. It is an
IDE that will allow you to get through that task in under
30 minutes.

David

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:56:51 +0530, Rama Rao Polneni <ramp99 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can you please help me in writing python code for the follwing
requirement.
> 
> I have a list box. In which I need to browse multiple files from multiple
> locations and need to show them in the list box.
> 
> Then I will be able to read all the file names("all" means-No
> selection/deselction mechanism) in the list box and to print them.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Rama Rao
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

From ramp99 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 05:35:52 2009
From: ramp99 at gmail.com (Rama Rao Polneni)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:05:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython : List box
In-Reply-To: <456cffcc473fc4b4b075d3d347c758dc@preisshare.net>
References: <9a8a0e230911112026k75857e62s7325435220ad8b26@mail.gmail.com>
	<456cffcc473fc4b4b075d3d347c758dc@preisshare.net>
Message-ID: <9a8a0e230911112035y43393646yccd1f20120c0a60d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

I am using BOA.

Bu the problem here is I am able to read only selected files. But I want to
read all the files. and I dont know how to insert horizantal scrollbar in
listbox.as my file name contains full path. It will be very long.

Thanks,
Rama


On 11/12/09, David Lyon <david.lyon at preisshare.net> wrote:
>
>
> Rama,
>
> Best thing to do is download Boa Constructor. It is an
> IDE that will allow you to get through that task in under
> 30 minutes.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:56:51 +0530, Rama Rao Polneni <ramp99 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can you please help me in writing python code for the follwing
> requirement.
> >
> > I have a list box. In which I need to browse multiple files from multiple
> > locations and need to show them in the list box.
> >
> > Then I will be able to read all the file names("all" means-No
> > selection/deselction mechanism) in the list box and to print them.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Rama Rao
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From david.lyon at preisshare.net  Thu Nov 12 05:33:24 2009
From: david.lyon at preisshare.net (David Lyon)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:33:24 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython : List box
In-Reply-To: <9a8a0e230911112035y43393646yccd1f20120c0a60d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a8a0e230911112026k75857e62s7325435220ad8b26@mail.gmail.com>
	<456cffcc473fc4b4b075d3d347c758dc@preisshare.net>
	<9a8a0e230911112035y43393646yccd1f20120c0a60d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <242b6e1badd3174ba15d07da6f5a706a@preisshare.net>

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:05:52 +0530, Rama Rao Polneni <ramp99 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> I am using BOA.
> 
> Bu the problem here is I am able to read only selected files. But I want
to
> read all the files. and I dont know how to insert horizantal scrollbar in
> listbox.as my file name contains full path. It will be very long.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rama

Oh, what you can do is trim out the path by using os.path.basename()

That will let you extract only the name of the file and give you
a lot more space.

Daivd

From ramp99 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 05:42:43 2009
From: ramp99 at gmail.com (Rama Rao Polneni)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:12:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython : List box
In-Reply-To: <242b6e1badd3174ba15d07da6f5a706a@preisshare.net>
References: <9a8a0e230911112026k75857e62s7325435220ad8b26@mail.gmail.com>
	<456cffcc473fc4b4b075d3d347c758dc@preisshare.net>
	<9a8a0e230911112035y43393646yccd1f20120c0a60d@mail.gmail.com>
	<242b6e1badd3174ba15d07da6f5a706a@preisshare.net>
Message-ID: <9a8a0e230911112042i3b517d20t8784e7a4f1aeed1d@mail.gmail.com>

David,

This problem is not at all related to the parsing of the filenames.

Here I strucked in GUI part only.

1. Reading all elements from from listbox. Currently I am able to read only
selected files.
2. Displaying scrollbar. I dont know how to display scrollbar.

Thanks,
Rama Rao


On 11/12/09, David Lyon <david.lyon at preisshare.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:05:52 +0530, Rama Rao Polneni <ramp99 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I am using BOA.
> >
> > Bu the problem here is I am able to read only selected files. But I want
> to
> > read all the files. and I dont know how to insert horizantal scrollbar in
> > listbox.as my file name contains full path. It will be very long.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rama
>
> Oh, what you can do is trim out the path by using os.path.basename()
>
> That will let you extract only the name of the file and give you
> a lot more space.
>
> Daivd
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From david.lyon at preisshare.net  Thu Nov 12 05:42:34 2009
From: david.lyon at preisshare.net (David Lyon)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:42:34 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython : List box
In-Reply-To: <9a8a0e230911112042i3b517d20t8784e7a4f1aeed1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a8a0e230911112026k75857e62s7325435220ad8b26@mail.gmail.com>
	<456cffcc473fc4b4b075d3d347c758dc@preisshare.net>
	<9a8a0e230911112035y43393646yccd1f20120c0a60d@mail.gmail.com>
	<242b6e1badd3174ba15d07da6f5a706a@preisshare.net>
	<9a8a0e230911112042i3b517d20t8784e7a4f1aeed1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b023eef6f3dfe759c6020068115f324@preisshare.net>

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:12:43 +0530, Rama Rao Polneni <ramp99 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> David,
> 
> This problem is not at all related to the parsing of the filenames.
> 
> Here I strucked in GUI part only.
> 
> 1. Reading all elements from from listbox. Currently I am able to read
only
> selected files.

Best to look at the docs. Can't remember off the top of my head.

> 2. Displaying scrollbar. I dont know how to display scrollbar.

There is a hscrollbar property that you set to true. It's in the
object inspector on the second page.

David

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Nov 12 06:01:21 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:31:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython : List box
In-Reply-To: <9a8a0e230911112042i3b517d20t8784e7a4f1aeed1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a8a0e230911112026k75857e62s7325435220ad8b26@mail.gmail.com>
	<242b6e1badd3174ba15d07da6f5a706a@preisshare.net>
	<9a8a0e230911112042i3b517d20t8784e7a4f1aeed1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200911121031.21445.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 10:12:43 am Rama Rao Polneni wrote:
> 1. Reading all elements from from listbox. Currently I am able to read only
> selected files.

what do you mean by 'read all the elements'
> 2. Displaying scrollbar. I dont know how to display scrollbar.
> 

afaik both vertical and horizontal scrollbars appear by default if the matter 
is bigger than the size of the list box

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 07:12:16 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:42:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Multiple versions of Python
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911112212u58c1f7c5k6563d06b7596a060@mail.gmail.com>

Someone on this list asked a while ago about installing and using
different versions of Python on the same machine. Here's something
relevant that might be useful.
http://tartley.com/?p=883

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 07:15:47 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:45:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Multiple versions of Python
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911112212u58c1f7c5k6563d06b7596a060@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911112212u58c1f7c5k6563d06b7596a060@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d62196a0911112215w1c614980o62e8108f9a29d607@mail.gmail.com>

Noufal, that was me. I will check it out soon. Thanks.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Someone on this list asked a while ago about installing and using
> different versions of Python on the same machine. Here's something
> relevant that might be useful.
> http://tartley.com/?p=883
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From rgopiindian86 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 07:55:38 2009
From: rgopiindian86 at gmail.com (R Gopinath)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:25:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
Message-ID: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I hope all the people here are  my forefathers and experts in python. please
suggest me a good IDE for python which can point out syntax errors while
typind and also able to complie and produce output.

-- 
Cheers,
R.Gopinath,
http://neuronring.com

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 08:24:35 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:54:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911112324u1718632bh8bea2c20076f4cc0@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM, R Gopinath <rgopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I hope all the people here are ?my forefathers and experts in python. please
> suggest me a good IDE for python which can point out syntax errors while
> typind and also able to complie and produce output.

There are a couple of Python-only IDEs out there which might work for
you. Eric, Idle, SPE are 3 that come to mind. I'm sure that bigger
ones like Eclipse have Python plugins as well.

I use Emacs + a couple of external things and it works for me. I had a
link describing some useful customisations but it seems that delicious
is down so I don't have it right now.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From kausikram at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 08:37:26 2009
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:07:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911112324u1718632bh8bea2c20076f4cc0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911112324u1718632bh8bea2c20076f4cc0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2597ddb90911112337u504c5d48h2ab365379cba60a1@mail.gmail.com>

>
> There are a couple of Python-only IDEs out there which might work for
> you. Eric, Idle, SPE are 3 that come to mind. I'm sure that bigger
> ones like Eclipse have Python plugins as well.
>
> I use Emacs + a couple of external things and it works for me. I had a
> link describing some useful customisations but it seems that delicious
> is down so I don't have it right now.


There is also WingIDE and komodo which come at a price tag. But the one i
use and love is pyscripter (which is free) . ULIpad is also an option.
-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
chaosbudha.blogspot.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email:
kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490

From zaki at manian.org  Thu Nov 12 08:39:41 2009
From: zaki at manian.org (Zaki Manian)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:09:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ab74d90d0911112339p4f0a9f7fl44bff07a9f56e4b9@mail.gmail.com>

I've recently switched to Spyder

http://packages.python.org/spyder/

It has QT dependencies. I'm using it on Ubuntu Karmic and it has been a very
happy .


SPE is also a recent favorite but I'm not very happy with Wxwidgets
http://pythonide.blogspot.com/



US number: +1 650-862-5992
Indian Number:+919945111824


On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM, R Gopinath <rgopiindian86 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
> I hope all the people here are  my forefathers and experts in python.
> please
> suggest me a good IDE for python which can point out syntax errors while
> typind and also able to complie and produce output.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> R.Gopinath,
> http://neuronring.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Nov 12 08:42:12 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:12:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <2597ddb90911112337u504c5d48h2ab365379cba60a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911112324u1718632bh8bea2c20076f4cc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<2597ddb90911112337u504c5d48h2ab365379cba60a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200911121312.12789.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 1:07:26 pm kausikram krishnasayee wrote:
> > There are a couple of Python-only IDEs out there which might work for
> > you. Eric, Idle, SPE are 3 that come to mind. I'm sure that bigger
> > ones like Eclipse have Python plugins as well.
> >
> > I use Emacs + a couple of external things and it works for me. I had a
> > link describing some useful customisations but it seems that delicious
> > is down so I don't have it right now.
> 
> There is also WingIDE and komodo which come at a price tag. But the one i
> use and love is pyscripter (which is free) . ULIpad is also an option.
> 

geany - lightweight and fast
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From aravind.geek at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 09:04:16 2009
From: aravind.geek at gmail.com (Aravind Muthu)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:34:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python place holder doubt
In-Reply-To: <ae55eb500911111032w75bebe46wb60527cc42025650@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500911110947v3fc24e20v70434c0c72ed9bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70911111011m43a38015n1d32b81414d7c6b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500911111032w75bebe46wb60527cc42025650@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8b08b8a0911120004w14808ef7o43cc1d6c431210e4@mail.gmail.com>

url = self.BASEURL + "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d


Try this ..i dont know exactlly correct or not.....

url=self.BASEURL
final=+ "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d
urlparse.urljoin(url,final)


Aravind.

On 11/12/09, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > url = self.BASEURL + "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d
>>
>> Did you mean:
>>  url = self.BASEURL + "pmid=%d" % (d, ) + "&tag=ntag&type=ge"  ?
>>
>> Even though this might fix your problem, don't use it.
>>
>> To encode URLs always use urlencode:
>> http://docs.python.org/library/urllib.html
>> which is part of the standard library.
>>
>> Using "+" to concat more than two strings is definitely unpythonic.
>>
>> Thanks
> --
> **********************************
> JAGANADH G
> http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
>
> Sent from Chennai, TN, India
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From rmathews at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 09:05:57 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:35:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Google Go
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780911110736i1ab47ca3ke10ee1d3e5e52eac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.831.1257919869.2872.bangpypers@python.org>
	<9963e56e0911110212s648e9164pef763d6c78c3274e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110229k60ca8d7fia51bc524ac95e252@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911110232w52040e13y146346408576f0f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110352m4dfb0c9u591596c55926f130@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00911110400vea45111mde7815be6c70ddb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911110418p2ee685aeg5ea57b61a4caab65@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780911110444j592fbb84ua0d6aa94521d6bfc@mail.gmail.com>
	<e01b80590911110619w56b828b4i75d34ed2ad7640df@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780911110736i1ab47ca3ke10ee1d3e5e52eac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780911120005j6c7c24a7id147b7418616dda0@mail.gmail.com>

Did the Godfather quote scare you off? :)

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> I [shall carefully reply to] you because I had
> [searched my mail and found] that you were a serious
> man, to be treated with respect. But I must say no to
> you and let me give you my reasons. It's true I have a
> lot of friends in [software], but they wouldn't be so
> friendly if they knew my business was [pontificating]
> instead of [flaming] which they consider a harmless
> vice. But [pontification], that's a dirty business.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Harish Mallipeddi
> <harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com> wrote:



-- 
Roshan Mathews
http://teamtalk.im

From murty_murty at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 09:29:31 2009
From: murty_murty at yahoo.com (M.V.Ramana Murty)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:29:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911112324u1718632bh8bea2c20076f4cc0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <199872.12172.qm@web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

for windows only .... pyscipter is a good options, at least for the beginners...

Thanks and Regards 

MVR.Murty, 

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 12:54 PM

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM, R Gopinath <rgopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I hope all the people here are ?my forefathers and experts in python. please
> suggest me a good IDE for python which can point out syntax errors while
> typind and also able to complie and produce output.

There are a couple of Python-only IDEs out there which might work for
you. Eric, Idle, SPE are 3 that come to mind. I'm sure that bigger
ones like Eclipse have Python plugins as well.

I use Emacs + a couple of external things and it works for me. I had a
link describing some useful customisations but it seems that delicious
is down so I don't have it right now.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in
_______________________________________________
BangPypers mailing list
BangPypers at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers


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From kausikram at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 10:00:10 2009
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:30:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python place holder doubt
In-Reply-To: <a8b08b8a0911120004w14808ef7o43cc1d6c431210e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500911110947v3fc24e20v70434c0c72ed9bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70911111011m43a38015n1d32b81414d7c6b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500911111032w75bebe46wb60527cc42025650@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8b08b8a0911120004w14808ef7o43cc1d6c431210e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2597ddb90911120100i654da46br74a90acc9511d710@mail.gmail.com>

>
> url=self.BASEURL
> final=+ "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d
> urlparse.urljoin(url,final)


Final will raise an error.  Concatination and Formatting cannot be done
together.
final should either be
final = "pmid=%d" %(d,) + "&tag=ntag&type=ge"

or final=("pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge") %(d,)
-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
chaosbudha.blogspot.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email:
kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490

From scorpion032 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 10:03:37 2009
From: scorpion032 at gmail.com (Lakshman Prasad)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:33:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <199872.12172.qm@web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <9963e56e0911112324u1718632bh8bea2c20076f4cc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<199872.12172.qm@web52106.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d38edb550911120103y55a709cbrced6f54127582371@mail.gmail.com>

I am a happy WingIDE Professional customer.

It is simply the best IDE for Python today. Plus it has VI mode, that I
like, and a lot of other features, some of it I have described here:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584/what-ide-to-use-for-python/495355#495355

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:59 PM, M.V.Ramana Murty <murty_murty at yahoo.com>wrote:

> for windows only .... pyscipter is a good options, at least for the
> beginners...
>
> Thanks and Regards
>
> MVR.Murty,
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
> To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 12:54 PM
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:25 PM, R Gopinath <rgopiindian86 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I hope all the people here are  my forefathers and experts in python.
> please
> > suggest me a good IDE for python which can point out syntax errors while
> > typind and also able to complie and produce output.
>
> There are a couple of Python-only IDEs out there which might work for
> you. Eric, Idle, SPE are 3 that come to mind. I'm sure that bigger
> ones like Eclipse have Python plugins as well.
>
> I use Emacs + a couple of external things and it works for me. I had a
> link describing some useful customisations but it seems that delicious
> is down so I don't have it right now.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
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>



-- 
Regards,
Lakshman
becomingguru.com
lakshmanprasad.com

From ramp99 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 10:08:44 2009
From: ramp99 at gmail.com (Rama Rao Polneni)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:38:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython : List box
In-Reply-To: <200911121031.21445.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <9a8a0e230911112026k75857e62s7325435220ad8b26@mail.gmail.com>
	<242b6e1badd3174ba15d07da6f5a706a@preisshare.net>
	<9a8a0e230911112042i3b517d20t8784e7a4f1aeed1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<200911121031.21445.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <9a8a0e230911120108g5b66a495t7c80ff8f1a9b1bc4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I could read all the elements by using self.listbox.GetItems()

Only vertical scrollbar is coming by default

Thanks,
Rama Rao

On 11/12/09, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
> On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 10:12:43 am Rama Rao Polneni wrote:
> > 1. Reading all elements from from listbox. Currently I am able to read
> only
> > selected files.
>
> what do you mean by 'read all the elements'
> > 2. Displaying scrollbar. I dont know how to display scrollbar.
> >
>
> afaik both vertical and horizontal scrollbars appear by default if the
> matter
> is bigger than the size of the list box
>
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From ramp99 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 10:19:26 2009
From: ramp99 at gmail.com (Rama Rao Polneni)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:49:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython : List box
In-Reply-To: <9a8a0e230911120108g5b66a495t7c80ff8f1a9b1bc4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a8a0e230911112026k75857e62s7325435220ad8b26@mail.gmail.com>
	<242b6e1badd3174ba15d07da6f5a706a@preisshare.net>
	<9a8a0e230911112042i3b517d20t8784e7a4f1aeed1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<200911121031.21445.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9a8a0e230911120108g5b66a495t7c80ff8f1a9b1bc4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9a8a0e230911120119v2d1794u6ee1bad9364f9c12@mail.gmail.com>

Here is the solution.

On setting style as wx.HSCROLL. horizontal scrollbar appears.

Thanks,


On 11/12/09, Rama Rao Polneni <ramp99 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I could read all the elements by using self.listbox.GetItems()
>
> Only vertical scrollbar is coming by default
>
> Thanks,
> Rama Rao
>
>  On 11/12/09, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 10:12:43 am Rama Rao Polneni wrote:
>> > 1. Reading all elements from from listbox. Currently I am able to read
>> only
>> > selected files.
>>
>> what do you mean by 'read all the elements'
>> > 2. Displaying scrollbar. I dont know how to display scrollbar.
>> >
>>
>> afaik both vertical and horizontal scrollbars appear by default if the
>> matter
>> is bigger than the size of the list box
>>
>> --
>> regards
>> Kenneth Gonsalves
>> Senior Project Officer
>> NRC-FOSS
>> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>

From aravind.geek at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 10:21:04 2009
From: aravind.geek at gmail.com (Aravind Muthu)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:51:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python place holder doubt
In-Reply-To: <2597ddb90911120100i654da46br74a90acc9511d710@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500911110947v3fc24e20v70434c0c72ed9bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70911111011m43a38015n1d32b81414d7c6b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500911111032w75bebe46wb60527cc42025650@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8b08b8a0911120004w14808ef7o43cc1d6c431210e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<2597ddb90911120100i654da46br74a90acc9511d710@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8b08b8a0911120121g746dd6c7va8768a037f855a3a@mail.gmail.com>

what u going to access.......send the full path name
pls

On 11/12/09, kausikram krishnasayee <kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> url=self.BASEURL
>> final=+ "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d
>> urlparse.urljoin(url,final)
>
>
> Final will raise an error.  Concatination and Formatting cannot be done
> together.
> final should either be
> final = "pmid=%d" %(d,) + "&tag=ntag&type=ge"
>
> or final=("pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge") %(d,)
> --
> Kausikram Krishnasayee
> Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
> chaosbudha.blogspot.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email:
> kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From aravind.geek at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 10:28:50 2009
From: aravind.geek at gmail.com (Aravind Muthu)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:58:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python place holder doubt
In-Reply-To: <a8b08b8a0911120121g746dd6c7va8768a037f855a3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500911110947v3fc24e20v70434c0c72ed9bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70911111011m43a38015n1d32b81414d7c6b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500911111032w75bebe46wb60527cc42025650@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8b08b8a0911120004w14808ef7o43cc1d6c431210e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<2597ddb90911120100i654da46br74a90acc9511d710@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8b08b8a0911120121g746dd6c7va8768a037f855a3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8b08b8a0911120128o5ed644c2wb75eb41c80ca12f2@mail.gmail.com>

here i am going to get definition from google server

see..First u should use only Domail address
ex: www.google.co.in
it should be connected to server .. ...

after that use the :www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=define%3A"+query+""

On 11/12/09, Aravind Muthu <aravind.geek at gmail.com> wrote:
> what u going to access.......send the full path name
> pls
>
> On 11/12/09, kausikram krishnasayee <kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> url=self.BASEURL
>>> final=+ "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d
>>> urlparse.urljoin(url,final)
>>
>>
>> Final will raise an error.  Concatination and Formatting cannot be done
>> together.
>> final should either be
>> final = "pmid=%d" %(d,) + "&tag=ntag&type=ge"
>>
>> or final=("pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge") %(d,)
>> --
>> Kausikram Krishnasayee
>> Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
>> chaosbudha.blogspot.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email:
>> kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>

From siddharta.lists at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 11:08:27 2009
From: siddharta.lists at gmail.com (Siddharta)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:38:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AFBDE9B.30304@gmail.com>

R Gopinath wrote:
> Hi,
> I hope all the people here are  my forefathers and experts in python. please
> suggest me a good IDE for python which can point out syntax errors while
> typind and also able to complie and produce output.
>
>   
I love the Wing IDE. It's a paid product though - http://www.wingware.com/

--
Siddharta Govindaraj

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 11:26:58 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:56:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911120226s4085710fw20ae94c8592e871b@mail.gmail.com>

Shall we fix this for 22nd then? Is TW the venue? What time?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 for 22nd.
>>
>
> +1
>
> -- Sriram
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Thu Nov 12 14:06:26 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:06:26 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Python place holder doubt
In-Reply-To: <a8b08b8a0911120004w14808ef7o43cc1d6c431210e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500911110947v3fc24e20v70434c0c72ed9bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70911111011m43a38015n1d32b81414d7c6b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500911111032w75bebe46wb60527cc42025650@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8b08b8a0911120004w14808ef7o43cc1d6c431210e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70911120506t2cc7024bvd91ef3ff0bd267e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Aravind Muthu <aravind.geek at gmail.com> wrote:
> Try this ..i dont know exactlly correct or not.....
> url=self.BASEURL
> final=+ "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d
> urlparse.urljoin(url,final)

There are two errors in the second line
1. what is =+ ?
2. and what  is the purpose of %d at the end of the line?

PS: If you are not sure about the solution working you are not
obligated to reply to the mail.
(it takes less than 30 seconds to verify your solution in a python
console, which I did),

From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 15:34:55 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (srid)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:34:55 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c73a13a0911120634v67c7dffdjd92908518edb2feb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:55 PM, R Gopinath <rgopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I hope all the people here are ?my forefathers and experts in python. please
> suggest me a good IDE for python which can point out syntax errors while
> typind and also able to complie and produce output.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584/what-ide-to-use-for-python

The code 'EM' stands for "syntax errors while typing".

I use Komodo w/ Vim keybindings[1], but it does not highlight syntax errors yet.

-srid

***
[1] So long Emacs...

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 16:24:19 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:54:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911120226s4085710fw20ae94c8592e871b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911120226s4085710fw20ae94c8592e871b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49977f270911120724i32f228e6p66a8dca9f2fd840@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Shall we fix this for 22nd then? Is TW the venue? What time?
>

Seems OK to me. Let's have Mahadevan decide on the time.

-- Sriram

From aravind.geek at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 19:41:02 2009
From: aravind.geek at gmail.com (Aravind Muthu)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:11:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python place holder doubt
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70911120506t2cc7024bvd91ef3ff0bd267e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500911110947v3fc24e20v70434c0c72ed9bdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70911111011m43a38015n1d32b81414d7c6b6@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500911111032w75bebe46wb60527cc42025650@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8b08b8a0911120004w14808ef7o43cc1d6c431210e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70911120506t2cc7024bvd91ef3ff0bd267e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8b08b8a0911121041y6fcc4f38o32f147e598e86937@mail.gmail.com>

ok .sir

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Aravind Muthu <aravind.geek at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Try this ..i dont know exactlly correct or not.....
> > url=self.BASEURL
> > final=+ "pmid=%d" + "&tag=ntag&type=ge" %d
> > urlparse.urljoin(url,final)
>
> There are two errors in the second line
> 1. what is =+ ?
> 2. and what  is the purpose of %d at the end of the line?
>
> PS: If you are not sure about the solution working you are not
> obligated to reply to the mail.
> (it takes less than 30 seconds to verify your solution in a python
> console, which I did),
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 06:42:05 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:12:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python moratorium
Message-ID: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>

A.M. Kuchling has published an article related to this on LWN.
This has been under discussion in Pydev for a couple of weeks now...

It would be interesting to know the opinion of folks here on this...

http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/361266/ef88bdbed5369800/

Here is the related PEP link.

http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3003/

Regards,

-- 
--Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 06:44:16 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:14:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <49977f270911120724i32f228e6p66a8dca9f2fd840@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911120226s4085710fw20ae94c8592e871b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270911120724i32f228e6p66a8dca9f2fd840@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30911122144t2e815e3ak908825ee23b2b297@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Shall we fix this for 22nd then? Is TW the venue? What time?
> >
>
> +1 for 22nd.


> Seems OK to me. Let's have Mahadevan decide on the time.
>
> -- Sriram
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Fri Nov 13 06:46:33 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:16:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python moratorium
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200911131116.33779.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Friday 13 Nov 2009 11:12:05 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> A.M. Kuchling has published an article related to this on LWN.
> This has been under discussion in Pydev for a couple of weeks now...
> 
> It would be interesting to know the opinion of folks here on this...
> 
> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/361266/ef88bdbed5369800/
> 

great idea - racing along to play catch-up gets tiring after a while.
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 06:50:26 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:20:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python moratorium
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911122150n3f01b837uef79a038f250e7f9@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> A.M. Kuchling has published an article related to this on LWN.
> This has been under discussion in Pydev for a couple of weeks now...
>
> It would be interesting to know the opinion of folks here on this...[..]

I've been following the discussion. I think it's eminently sensible.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 07:20:32 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:50:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python moratorium
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911122150n3f01b837uef79a038f250e7f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911122150n3f01b837uef79a038f250e7f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30911122220p6f535036p14bc9bac951dc0cc@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > A.M. Kuchling has published an article related to this on LWN.
> > This has been under discussion in Pydev for a couple of weeks now...
> >
> > It would be interesting to know the opinion of folks here on this...[..]
>
> I've been following the discussion. I think it's eminently sensible.
>

 I also thought so. More than the catching up part, I think perhaps
 Guido is worried about widespread Python 3.x adoption. This will
 help a lot in that direction.


>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Nov 13 07:27:31 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:57:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python moratorium
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911122220p6f535036p14bc9bac951dc0cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911122150n3f01b837uef79a038f250e7f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911122220p6f535036p14bc9bac951dc0cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200911131157.31926.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Friday 13 Nov 2009 11:50:32 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > > It would be interesting to know the opinion of folks here on
> > > this...[..]
> >
> > I've been following the discussion. I think it's eminently sensible.
> 
>  I also thought so. More than the catching up part, I think perhaps
>  Guido is worried about widespread Python 3.x adoption. This will
>  help a lot in that direction.
> 

I am a fairly typical enduser of python, and basically I am still slowly 
migrating to 2.5 (which is now getting available on production servers). So we 
are happy that there is a pause.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 07:30:46 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:00:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python moratorium
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911122220p6f535036p14bc9bac951dc0cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911122150n3f01b837uef79a038f250e7f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911122220p6f535036p14bc9bac951dc0cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911122230n39085421wa65c6254e8a56bf6@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > A.M. Kuchling has published an article related to this on LWN.
>> > This has been under discussion in Pydev for a couple of weeks now...
>> >
>> > It would be interesting to know the opinion of folks here on this...[..]
>>
>> I've been following the discussion. I think it's eminently sensible.
>>
>
> ?I also thought so. More than the catching up part, I think perhaps
> ?Guido is worried about widespread Python 3.x adoption. This will
> ?help a lot in that direction.

Unladen Swallow is a serious cog in the works as far as Python 3 is
concerned. I expect the speed boosts to be significant and they're
targetting the 2.x releases. If a public release candidate is ready,
it's a solid argument to *not* migrate to 3.0. I'd love for the
changes to be ported to 3.0 but have no idea of how much work or what
kind is involved which is why I'm itching to have Mahadevan speak this
next Sunday. :)


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From mdevan.foobar at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 07:51:42 2009
From: mdevan.foobar at gmail.com (Mahadevan R)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:21:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <49977f270911120724i32f228e6p66a8dca9f2fd840@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911120226s4085710fw20ae94c8592e871b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270911120724i32f228e6p66a8dca9f2fd840@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c8033d570911122251q4fa04efes1587042e18cbaf02@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Shall we fix this for 22nd then? Is TW the venue? What time?
>>
>
> Seems OK to me. Let's have Mahadevan decide on the time.

Is evening OK? Around 4.00?

Regards,
-Mahadevan.

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 07:53:17 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:23:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <c8033d570911122251q4fa04efes1587042e18cbaf02@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911120226s4085710fw20ae94c8592e871b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270911120724i32f228e6p66a8dca9f2fd840@mail.gmail.com>
	<c8033d570911122251q4fa04efes1587042e18cbaf02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911122253h78ccfc13l14ab6d6f68964675@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Mahadevan R <mdevan.foobar at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Shall we fix this for 22nd then? Is TW the venue? What time?
>>>
>>
>> Seems OK to me. Let's have Mahadevan decide on the time.
>
> Is evening OK? Around 4.00?

Fine by me.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 09:45:42 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:15:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <c8033d570911122251q4fa04efes1587042e18cbaf02@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911120226s4085710fw20ae94c8592e871b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270911120724i32f228e6p66a8dca9f2fd840@mail.gmail.com>
	<c8033d570911122251q4fa04efes1587042e18cbaf02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d62196a0911130045t5903a350j5122a62ff377f700@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Mahadevan R <mdevan.foobar at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Shall we fix this for 22nd then? Is TW the venue? What time?
> >>
> >
> > Seems OK to me. Let's have Mahadevan decide on the time.
>
> >Is evening OK? Around 4.00?
>

Yes that's fine.

From ideamonk at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 15:49:15 2009
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:19:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0911120634v67c7dffdjd92908518edb2feb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c73a13a0911120634v67c7dffdjd92908518edb2feb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64160c70911130649h748f6602i569c5a0c28ce91ec@mail.gmail.com>

I used to use gedit (http://twitpic.com/e80j6) before, it has some
nice plugins to make it python friendly, like auto completion,
indentation, run at a hit of f5, better python console, etc.

Then you got eclipse pydev plugin which gives you everything you could
think of.

bpython, not an ide, but comes as a nice interpreter if you're looking
on the spot help popup and auto-completion in interpreter itself.

While vim too can be customized nicely using pydiction,
NERDtree(http://twitpic.com/fnopf) etc to suit Python.
http://twitpic.com/fnsvb

I haven't come across something which points out syntax errors while
typing. vim does it for html, but has anyone come across this feature?
do let me know too.

regards,
Abhishek Mishra

From ideamonk at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 15:51:21 2009
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:21:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0911120634v67c7dffdjd92908518edb2feb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c73a13a0911120634v67c7dffdjd92908518edb2feb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64160c70911130651x1af3fc59ma829cd605c3c2f4a@mail.gmail.com>

> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584/what-ide-to-use-for-python
>
> The code 'EM' stands for "syntax errors while typing".
>

<snip>

>
> -srid
>

Oh, that's a pretty useful list, will try out EM ones.

Thanks

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 19:16:34 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:46:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <64160c70911130649h748f6602i569c5a0c28ce91ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c73a13a0911120634v67c7dffdjd92908518edb2feb@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70911130649h748f6602i569c5a0c28ce91ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911131016u3097240cp17116380378945cd@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Abhishek Mishra <ideamonk at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> I haven't come across something which points out syntax errors while
> typing. vim does it for html, but has anyone come across this feature?
> do let me know too.[..]

Emacs with flymake and pyflakes does this
http://twitpic.com/pdcy6


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 23:21:50 2009
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:51:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python moratorium
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911122230n39085421wa65c6254e8a56bf6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911122150n3f01b837uef79a038f250e7f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911122220p6f535036p14bc9bac951dc0cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911122230n39085421wa65c6254e8a56bf6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de0911131421l7c3fc346x9a3c71d3bc55acb4@mail.gmail.com>

Python widespread adoption is better idea. It's good to have a newer version
arrive after a gap, so we can play catchup game. I hadn't still migrated to
3 though, still stuck with 2.6.2. The reason is same as everyone else.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> >> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > A.M. Kuchling has published an article related to this on LWN.
> >> > This has been under discussion in Pydev for a couple of weeks now...
> >> >
> >> > It would be interesting to know the opinion of folks here on
> this...[..]
> >>
> >> I've been following the discussion. I think it's eminently sensible.
> >>
> >
> >  I also thought so. More than the catching up part, I think perhaps
> >  Guido is worried about widespread Python 3.x adoption. This will
> >  help a lot in that direction.
>
> Unladen Swallow is a serious cog in the works as far as Python 3 is
> concerned. I expect the speed boosts to be significant and they're
> targetting the 2.x releases. If a public release candidate is ready,
> it's a solid argument to *not* migrate to 3.0. I'd love for the
> changes to be ported to 3.0 but have no idea of how much work or what
> kind is involved which is why I'm itching to have Mahadevan speak this
> next Sunday. :)
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 23:31:46 2009
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:01:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SPOJ: Kamil -> Code Golf
Message-ID: <d4ab53de0911131431m1f9839eew81cedb20cf0c71ff@mail.gmail.com>

I was doing a problem KAMIL : https://www.spoj.pl/problems/KAMIL/ and the
shortest version i came up with was :

>>> for i in range(10):t=raw_input();print 2**sum(t.count(i)for i in'DFLT')
This is 71 character long.
>>> s = "for i in range(10):t=raw_input();print 2**sum(t.count(i)for i
in'DFLT')"
>>> len(s)
71
However the best solutions in python (
https://www.spoj.pl/ranks/KAMIL/lang=PYTH%202.5 ) shows that it can be
reduced to 53 character long. Do anyone here had solved this problem or have
an idea as to  how to shorten the code any more ? I'm still clueless.

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 05:30:36 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:00:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python moratorium
In-Reply-To: <200911131157.31926.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911122150n3f01b837uef79a038f250e7f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911122220p6f535036p14bc9bac951dc0cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<200911131157.31926.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911132030y410a85e0rd841342f54d54774@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
[..]
> I am a fairly typical enduser of python, and basically I am still slowly
> migrating to 2.5 (which is now getting available on production servers). So we
> are happy that there is a pause.[..]

The moratorium is only on the language core (syntax and semantics).
The standard libraries will still be altered and that'd be the kind of
difference between the various 2.x releases you're facing.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 06:28:30 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:58:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python moratorium
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911132030y410a85e0rd841342f54d54774@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30911122142k23098124h1c1b2ec47558f935@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911122150n3f01b837uef79a038f250e7f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911122220p6f535036p14bc9bac951dc0cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<200911131157.31926.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0911132030y410a85e0rd841342f54d54774@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550911132128k744fd788g437aac190fd91440@mail.gmail.com>

This is to allow the alternate implementations to catch up, and not
really about the users of the python language. Adding breaking changes
between versions of python 3 would just be bad language design, so
users should be fine either way.

I've found myself quite happy using many of the new features that were
added to python over the years. I'll certainly miss that.

From ideamonk at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 07:28:19 2009
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:58:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SPOJ: Kamil -> Code Golf
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de0911131431m1f9839eew81cedb20cf0c71ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de0911131431m1f9839eew81cedb20cf0c71ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64160c70911142228q1e4156f6h6dc5ac39704f039@mail.gmail.com>

I tried a lot, I give up. But I noticed this,

if 'foo'.count (sub, [start, end])
allowed us to place a regexp in place of sub, we could've shortened it.
But unfortunately we need to import re and compile one before using.

So achieving something like
foo = 'FILIPEK'
q=1;foo.gsub(/[DTFL]/){q*=2} p q}

is not possible. In the above ruby code mainly gsub and 'p' as a
shorthand for print is helping out.

Python is really made for writing readable code :P
The quest for 53 bytes py code is still on.

regards,
Abhishek Mishra

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 07:44:03 2009
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:14:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SPOJ: Kamil -> Code Golf
In-Reply-To: <64160c70911142228q1e4156f6h6dc5ac39704f039@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de0911131431m1f9839eew81cedb20cf0c71ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70911142228q1e4156f6h6dc5ac39704f039@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de0911142244u5473b67axe3c97d34261e6c3@mail.gmail.com>

I left it. Will try again someday, the quest for perfection or should I say
53 chars should last by then :)

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Abhishek Mishra <ideamonk at gmail.com>wrote:

> I tried a lot, I give up. But I noticed this,
>
> if 'foo'.count (sub, [start, end])
> allowed us to place a regexp in place of sub, we could've shortened it.
> But unfortunately we need to import re and compile one before using.
>
> So achieving something like
> foo = 'FILIPEK'
> q=1;foo.gsub(/[DTFL]/){q*=2} p q}
>
> is not possible. In the above ruby code mainly gsub and 'p' as a
> shorthand for print is helping out.
>
> Python is really made for writing readable code :P
> The quest for 53 bytes py code is still on.
>
> regards,
> Abhishek Mishra
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 08:04:54 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:34:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Drupal vs. Django
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911152304s31631702t5ad498b2109b9782@mail.gmail.com>

We had a thread a while ago inspired by the fossee.in site. I came
across this http://birdhouse.org/blog/2009/11/11/drupal-or-django/
which is relevant to the issue and which might interest people who
have to make a decision.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 08:12:32 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:42:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Drupal vs. Django
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911152304s31631702t5ad498b2109b9782@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911152304s31631702t5ad498b2109b9782@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00911152312p69f2dacds3d1de1ba3c08abf3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> We had a thread a while ago inspired by the fossee.in site. I came
> across this http://birdhouse.org/blog/2009/11/11/drupal-or-django/
> which is relevant to the issue and which might interest people who
> have to make a decision.
>




We've had a thread last 2 days on django-users with our own Kenneth raising
some observations, even that's worth following.

Nice link Thanks


> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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+91 9342 583 065

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 09:36:09 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:06:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Best Python IDE with compiler
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911131016u3097240cp17116380378945cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7459cc990911112255q5b4706e4la602ab7c72234730@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7c73a13a0911120634v67c7dffdjd92908518edb2feb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<64160c70911130649h748f6602i569c5a0c28ce91ec@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0911131016u3097240cp17116380378945cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b480911160036x49d5f074y89e2a1159abb0c52@mail.gmail.com>

When you are on Windows...I would suggest everyone to consider PyScripter as
well.
Its got almost everything and is a standalone thing about 5MB in size.

Vishal

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Abhishek Mishra <ideamonk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> [..]
> > I haven't come across something which points out syntax errors while
> > typing. vim does it for html, but has anyone come across this feature?
> > do let me know too.[..]
>
> Emacs with flymake and pyflakes does this
> http://twitpic.com/pdcy6
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"Happiness keeps u Sweet, Trials keep u Strong,
Sorrow keeps u Human, Failure Keeps u Humble,
Success keeps u Glowing, But only God Keeps u Going.....Keep Going....."

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 09:58:09 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:28:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting REST library
Message-ID: <4B011421.3020805@gmail.com>

Hey all,

I'm posting this here since I figure that y'all would be interested in 
REST on any dynlang. This is a Ruby library, but it looks like its been 
done right.
http://github.com/caelum/restfulie

Thoughts?

Best,
Sidu.

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 10:20:54 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:50:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Drupal vs. Django
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00911152312p69f2dacds3d1de1ba3c08abf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911152304s31631702t5ad498b2109b9782@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00911152312p69f2dacds3d1de1ba3c08abf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30911160120n292c40d5vea6744509d154d98@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We had a thread a while ago inspired by the fossee.in site. I came
> > across this http://birdhouse.org/blog/2009/11/11/drupal-or-django/
> > which is relevant to the issue and which might interest people who
> > have to make a decision.
> >
>

Nice link, I have been reading it plus comments since you posted it.
I found this gem somewhere down the page.

"Some attack vectors, like SQL injection (and other input sanitization
exploits) are pretty much eliminated by Python?s DB API and Django?s ORM and
Form validation tools. This is not to say you couldn?t create an exploit in
a Django app, but that you?d have to be trying to on purpose".

I remember I had made a similar point in that thread when it came to
Python vs PHP on security. This is exactly the point I wanted to make.


>
>
>
> We've had a thread last 2 days on django-users with our own Kenneth raising
> some observations, even that's worth following.
>
> Nice link Thanks
>
>
> > ~noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 10:23:44 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:53:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Drupal vs. Django
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911160120n292c40d5vea6744509d154d98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911152304s31631702t5ad498b2109b9782@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00911152312p69f2dacds3d1de1ba3c08abf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911160120n292c40d5vea6744509d154d98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30911160123v58416b84r3ec1ecc1e314a3e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > We had a thread a while ago inspired by the fossee.in site. I came
>> > across this http://birdhouse.org/blog/2009/11/11/drupal-or-django/
>> > which is relevant to the issue and which might interest people who
>> > have to make a decision.
>> >
>>
>
> Nice link, I have been reading it plus comments since you posted it.
> I found this gem somewhere down the page.
>
> "Some attack vectors, like SQL injection (and other input sanitization
> exploits) are pretty much eliminated by Python?s DB API and Django?s ORM and
> Form validation tools. This is not to say you couldn?t create an exploit in
> a Django app, but that you?d have to be trying to on purpose".
>
> I remember I had made a similar point in that thread when it came to
> Python vs PHP on security. This is exactly the point I wanted to make.
>

Sorry to post again, but here is the entire context.

<quote>
Security. Django makes a lot of design decisions that make it hard to write
insecure code. Not impossible, but hard. Some attack vectors, like SQL
injection (and other input sanitization exploits) are pretty much eliminated
by Python?s DB API and Django?s ORM and Form validation tools. This is not
to say you couldn?t create an exploit in a Django app, but that you?d have
to be trying to on purpose. They also give you tools to prevent CSRF which
were optional, but in newer releases are being promoted to ?required? in
contrib.admin at least (
http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/csrf/ ) One of PHPs biggest
failings re: security , IMHO, is they made it too easy to do the wrong thing
for far too long. This is improving, but I think you still see this lax
approach reflected in the large number of Drupal exploits that have appeared
and in the way many people don?t seem to take security as seriously in the
PHP universe.
</quote>

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> We've had a thread last 2 days on django-users with our own Kenneth
>> raising
>> some observations, even that's worth following.
>>
>> Nice link Thanks
>>
>>
>> > ~noufal
>> > http://nibrahim.net.in
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ramdas S
>> +91 9342 583 065
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>


-- 
--Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 10:44:05 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:14:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Drupal vs. Django
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911160120n292c40d5vea6744509d154d98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911152304s31631702t5ad498b2109b9782@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00911152312p69f2dacds3d1de1ba3c08abf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911160120n292c40d5vea6744509d154d98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911160144m44417d94k2f70c2e75759d812@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > We had a thread a while ago inspired by the fossee.in site. I came
>> > across this http://birdhouse.org/blog/2009/11/11/drupal-or-django/
>> > which is relevant to the issue and which might interest people who
>> > have to make a decision.
>> >
>>
>
> Nice link, I have been reading it plus comments since you posted it.
> I found this gem somewhere down the page.
>
> "Some attack vectors, like SQL injection (and other input sanitization
> exploits) are pretty much eliminated by Python?s DB API and Django?s ORM and
> Form validation tools. This is not to say you couldn?t create an exploit in
> a Django app, but that you?d have to be trying to on purpose".
>
> I remember I had made a similar point in that thread when it came to
> Python vs PHP on security. This is exactly the point I wanted to make.[..]

Yes but IIRC your argument was a Python vs. PHP one rather than the
applications (Django vs. Drupal).

It's perfectly possible and equally easy to write SQL injection
exploitable code in Python if you're using the raw DBAPI (I've done it
when I wrote my first database interacting app [python and PHP] and
didn't know anything about sanitising inputs). All you have to do is
to + some strings together with unsanitised inputs and run them. This
is the way you do it on Python and PHP if you go down to the API
level.

With higher level libraries like ORMs (and I'm sure there are decent
ones for PHP as well), it will take care of the nitty gritty and
you'll be clean.

So, *on the language front* atleast with respect to *writing bad SQL
queries*, I think both the languages are somewhat equal unless I'm
totally missing a subtle point you're making.

Coming to the application side of things (Drupal vs. Django), if the
former doesn't use an ORM or any other library that automatically
sanitises SQL queries to it, it's a +1 for the latter.

As for the CSRF points he's making, I'm not knowledgeable enough to
comment but what he says looks correct and I think it's a +1 for
Django.

Your point though, about the general ugliness of PHP and it's ad hoc
nature is perfectly valid and my reason for not using it voluntarily
anymore. Python is much cleaner and will encourage better code. *My*
point is that if you only take the question of SQL injection while
using only the raw DB API, both the languages fare similarly.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 10:47:54 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:17:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0911130045t5903a350j5122a62ff377f700@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911120226s4085710fw20ae94c8592e871b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270911120724i32f228e6p66a8dca9f2fd840@mail.gmail.com>
	<c8033d570911122251q4fa04efes1587042e18cbaf02@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a0911130045t5903a350j5122a62ff377f700@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911160147k52848112ya0c1d5b2918e29da@mail.gmail.com>

So I guess it's settled then.
Time : 4:00 pm
Date : 22 Nov 2009
Venue : Thought Works, Diamond District.
Highlights : Mahadevan's talk on python bindings for llvm

Is this okay?

P.S. If any of the people attending have the conference recordings,
please bring them.

Thanks.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From mdevan.foobar at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 13:32:05 2009
From: mdevan.foobar at gmail.com (Mahadevan R)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:02:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting REST library
In-Reply-To: <4B011421.3020805@gmail.com>
References: <4B011421.3020805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c8033d570911160432j3343eb19g828e78c17f97b656@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I'm posting this here since I figure that y'all would be interested in REST
> on any dynlang. This is a Ruby library, but it looks like its been done
> right.
> http://github.com/caelum/restfulie
>
> Thoughts?

Piston [1] does something similar for Django/Python, I think.

[1] http://bitbucket.org/jespern/django-piston/wiki/Home

Regards,
-MD.

>
> Best,
> Sidu.

From ranganaths at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 15:53:18 2009
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:23:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] import module error
Message-ID: <77bb36840911160653r63db0b76j3e17522d47cf4d2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

       i downloaded the dbf module and installed the module using the
command  "python setup.py install".  It was successful. After that i can see
dbf.py in the following path
/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/dbfpy/dbf.py
/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/dbfpy/dbf.pyc

 But when i try to import it. Its giving error as follows :-
>>> import dbf
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named dbf
>>> from dbf import *
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: No module named dbf
>>>

 Can some one tell me where am i going wrong.

Thank you
Ranganath.S

-- 
I blog at http://ranganaths.wordpress.com

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 20:05:34 2009
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:35:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] import module error
In-Reply-To: <77bb36840911160653r63db0b76j3e17522d47cf4d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77bb36840911160653r63db0b76j3e17522d47cf4d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf97ab890911161105u8f6df53mc26bf59737b712b3@mail.gmail.com>

This is likely to help

http://dbfpy.sourceforge.net/

Note the import statements change based on the version

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>       i downloaded the dbf module and installed the module using the
> command  "python setup.py install".  It was successful. After that i can
> see
> dbf.py in the following path
> /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/dbfpy/dbf.py
> /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/dbfpy/dbf.pyc
>
>  But when i try to import it. Its giving error as follows :-
> >>> import dbf
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ImportError: No module named dbf
> >>> from dbf import *
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ImportError: No module named dbf
> >>>
>
>  Can some one tell me where am i going wrong.
>
> Thank you
> Ranganath.S
>
> --
> I blog at http://ranganaths.wordpress.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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--------------------------------------------------------
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twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Nov 17 06:18:12 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:48:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] chennaipy meetings
Message-ID: <200911171048.12506.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi,

for those of you who are in Chennai, or likely to visit Chennai, you would be 
pleased to know that chennaipy meets more or less regularly on the 4th 
saturday of every month. The notice of meeting is usually somewhere here:

http://groups.google.com/group/chennaipy/web/meeting-on-28th-november.

all bangpypers are most welcome to participate and talk at these meetings.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Nov 17 06:31:30 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:01:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-Post] How about organizing Hyderabad Python
	Meetings??
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01CB4827@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

Hello all,
             Since Bangpypers and ChennaiPy users are organizing
weekend/monthly meetings ,It would be nice to organize the same for
Hyderabad people also.
So Hyderabadis who are in BangPypers and ChennaiPy lists  please stand
up!!!
We can talk something about it.
 

Regards,

Srinivas Reddy T

-----

You never learn something until you have to write something in it(a
programming language), until you have to live and breathe it. It's one
thing to go learn a language for fun, but until you write some big,
complex system in it,you don't really learn it.

---Brad Fitzpatrick

 

 

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 07:01:54 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:31:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911160147k52848112ya0c1d5b2918e29da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911120226s4085710fw20ae94c8592e871b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<49977f270911120724i32f228e6p66a8dca9f2fd840@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c8033d570911122251q4fa04efes1587042e18cbaf02@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3d62196a0911130045t5903a350j5122a62ff377f700@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0911160147k52848112ya0c1d5b2918e29da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b480911162201n9348bdfkd93725edd680b36a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

For all those who cannot attend, is it possible to do a screencast for any
demos etc, or post ppt/impress slides somewhere?

Unfortunately, not all interested souls would have the chance to attend this
important talk.

Any help on this would be highly appreciated.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> So I guess it's settled then.
> Time : 4:00 pm
> Date : 22 Nov 2009
> Venue : Thought Works, Diamond District.
> Highlights : Mahadevan's talk on python bindings for llvm
>
> Is this okay?
>
> P.S. If any of the people attending have the conference recordings,
> please bring them.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"Happiness keeps u Sweet, Trials keep u Strong,
Sorrow keeps u Human, Failure Keeps u Humble,
Success keeps u Glowing, But only God Keeps u Going.....Keep Going....."

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 07:09:12 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:39:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] import module error
In-Reply-To: <77bb36840911160653r63db0b76j3e17522d47cf4d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77bb36840911160653r63db0b76j3e17522d47cf4d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30911162209n5a171bd2pe78c195e40f28d24@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>       i downloaded the dbf module and installed the module using the
> command  "python setup.py install".  It was successful. After that i can
> see
> dbf.py in the following path
> /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/dbfpy/dbf.py
> /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/dbfpy/dbf.pyc
>
>  But when i try to import it. Its giving error as follows :-
> >>> import dbf
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ImportError: No module named dbf
> >>> from dbf import *
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ImportError: No module named dbf
> >>>
>
>  Can some one tell me where am i going wrong.
>
>  Try " from dbfpy import * " - it should work.


> Thank you
> Ranganath.S
>
> --
> I blog at http://ranganaths.wordpress.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From srsy70 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 07:43:01 2009
From: srsy70 at gmail.com (S.Ramaswamy)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:13:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] import module error
In-Reply-To: <77bb36840911160653r63db0b76j3e17522d47cf4d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77bb36840911160653r63db0b76j3e17522d47cf4d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d60e5b0f0911162243t514113d9yb99fbfd562af9166@mail.gmail.com>

>>> import dbf
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ImportError: No module named dbf
> >>> from dbf import *
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ImportError: No module named dbf
> >>>
>
>
The example on the project page http://dbfpy.sourceforge.net/ imports
thusly: "from dbfpy import dbf" and that works.

Ramaswamy

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Nov 17 10:24:15 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:54:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480911162201n9348bdfkd93725edd680b36a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01CB4857@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

Vishal ,I  asked this erlier..
Nobody seems to be interested or,
To put it in another way ,don't have time to do it..  :( 


Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
------
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and
better !!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything
else.Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?"
"Happiness keeps u Sweet, Trials keep u Strong, Sorrow keeps u Human,
Failure Keeps u Humble, Success keeps u Glowing, But only God Keeps u
Going.....Keep Going....."

-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org
[mailto:bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.o
rg] On Behalf Of Vishal
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:32 AM
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.

Hi,

For all those who cannot attend, is it possible to do a screencast for
any demos etc, or post ppt/impress slides somewhere?

Unfortunately, not all interested souls would have the chance to attend
this important talk.

Any help on this would be highly appreciated.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
wrote:

> So I guess it's settled then.
> Time : 4:00 pm
> Date : 22 Nov 2009
> Venue : Thought Works, Diamond District.
> Highlights : Mahadevan's talk on python bindings for llvm
>
> Is this okay?
>
> P.S. If any of the people attending have the conference recordings, 
> please bring them.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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Thanks and best regards,
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---

"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and
better !!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything
else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure"
"Happiness keeps u Sweet, Trials keep u Strong, Sorrow keeps u Human,
Failure Keeps u Humble, Success keeps u Glowing, But only God Keeps u
Going.....Keep Going....."
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 10:40:15 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:10:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01CB4857@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <a13a3b480911162201n9348bdfkd93725edd680b36a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01CB4857@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911170140x7c3de587hb218221c01477293@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> Vishal ,I ?asked this erlier..
> Nobody seems to be interested or,
> To put it in another way ,don't have time to do it.. ?:(
>[..]

Usually, these meetings are a bunch of people sitting in a room and
one guy standing up to talk about something. Sometimes, there are
slides and a projector is used but usually it's a lot more informal.

I think heavy infrastructure like a camera/mic setup are too much. If
something like recordmydesktop works, we can use that and upload the
talk somewhere. Let's try it at this meetup.




-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 10:43:47 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:13:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911170140x7c3de587hb218221c01477293@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480911162201n9348bdfkd93725edd680b36a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01CB4857@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<9963e56e0911170140x7c3de587hb218221c01477293@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911170143g12802b80ta3137c8cd88fa9d3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> I think heavy infrastructure like a camera/mic setup are too much. If
> something like recordmydesktop works, we can use that and upload the
> talk somewhere. Let's try it at this meetup.
[..]

I just tried it on my laptop and it looks fine. I guess we can give it a shot.
-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Nov 17 10:52:56 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:22:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911170140x7c3de587hb218221c01477293@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01CB485D@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

 
>>Vishal ,I ?asked this erlier..
>> Nobody seems to be interested or,
>> To put it in another way ,don't have time to do it.. ?:( [..]

>Usually, these meetings are a bunch of people sitting in a room and one guy standing up to talk about something. Sometimes, there are slides and a projector is used but usually it's a lot more informal.

>I think heavy infrastructure like a camera/mic setup are too much. If something like recordmydesktop works, we can use that and upload the talk somewhere. Let's try it at this meetup.

Thanks a ton if that turns out to be fruitful.

~
Srinivas .



From vijay750 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 11:33:51 2009
From: vijay750 at gmail.com (Vijay Ramachandran)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:03:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Drupal vs. Django
Message-ID: <5f4d8a540911170233w514d97dahcb83b3271e11e4c8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:30 PM, <bangpypers-request at python.org> wrote:

> From: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> Message-ID:
>        <9963e56e0911160144m44417d94k2f70c2e75759d812 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> It's perfectly possible and equally easy to write SQL injection
> exploitable code in Python if you're using the raw DBAPI
>
>
That's not quite accurate. The accepted defense against sql injection is
using prepared statements, and DBAPI strongly encourages one to use prepared
statements instead of constructing the sql statement using string
manipulation. Unfortunately, the placeholder MySQLdb uses is "%s", which is
easy to confuse with string interpolation. The sqlite3 dbapi, for instance,
uses '?', which is much clearer.

Vijay

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From ranganaths at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 11:53:45 2009
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:23:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DBF error
Message-ID: <77bb36840911190253v39ae651ep9ca643808637917f@mail.gmail.com>

HI all,

        i have installed the DBF module and  just wrote a small program as
follows :-
from dbfpy import dbf


def OpenFile(tblName):
       '''fpath = os.path.join(local.DB_DIR,tblName)'''
       '''f=open(tblName,"ab+")'''
       db=Dbf(tblName,True)
       db.addField(
           ("NAME","C",15),
           ("SName","C",15),
       )
       for(n ,s ) in (
          ("john","miller"),
       ):
          rec=db.newRecord()
          rec["NAME"]=n
          rec["SNAME"]=s
          rec.store()
       db.close()

OpenFile("test.dbf")

=============================
This programs gives error as follows
=============================
cursor at cursor:~/SchoolManagementSystem$ python test.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "test.py", line 23, in <module>
    OpenFile("test.dbf")
  File "test.py", line 9, in OpenFile
    db=Dbf(tblName,True)
NameError: global name 'Dbf' is not defined
=================================================================

 Can some one point out like where am i going wrong.

Thank you
Ranganath.S




-- 
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From ranganaths at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 11:54:23 2009
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:24:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DBF error
Message-ID: <77bb36840911190254w4b25f48es7b5c797b7a64723d@mail.gmail.com>

HI all,

        i have installed the DBF module and  just wrote a small program as
follows :-
from dbfpy import dbf


def OpenFile(tblName):
       '''fpath = os.path.join(local.DB_DIR,tblName)'''
       '''f=open(tblName,"ab+")'''
       db=Dbf(tblName,True)
       db.addField(
           ("NAME","C",15),
           ("SName","C",15),
       )
       for(n ,s ) in (
          ("john","miller"),
       ):
          rec=db.newRecord()
          rec["NAME"]=n
          rec["SNAME"]=s
          rec.store()
       db.close()

OpenFile("test.dbf")

=============================
This programs gives error as follows
=============================
cursor at cursor:~/SchoolManagementSystem$ python test.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "test.py", line 23, in <module>
    OpenFile("test.dbf")
  File "test.py", line 9, in OpenFile
    db=Dbf(tblName,True)
NameError: global name 'Dbf' is not defined
=================================================================

 Can some one point out like where am i going wrong.

Thank you
Ranganath.S




-- 
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 12:06:17 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:36:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DBF error
In-Reply-To: <77bb36840911190254w4b25f48es7b5c797b7a64723d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77bb36840911190254w4b25f48es7b5c797b7a64723d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30911190306n7daecc7n2c288e8293a15ec5@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com> wrote:

> HI all,
>
>        i have installed the DBF module and  just wrote a small program as
> follows :-
> from dbfpy import dbf
>
>
> def OpenFile(tblName):
>       '''fpath = os.path.join(local.DB_DIR,tblName)'''
>       '''f=open(tblName,"ab+")'''
>       db=Dbf(tblName,True)
>       db.addField(
>           ("NAME","C",15),
>           ("SName","C",15),
>       )
>       for(n ,s ) in (
>          ("john","miller"),
>       ):
>          rec=db.newRecord()
>          rec["NAME"]=n
>          rec["SNAME"]=s
>          rec.store()
>       db.close()
>
> OpenFile("test.dbf")
>
> =============================
> This programs gives error as follows
> =============================
> cursor at cursor:~/SchoolManagementSystem$ python test.py
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "test.py", line 23, in <module>
>    OpenFile("test.dbf")
>  File "test.py", line 9, in OpenFile
>    db=Dbf(tblName,True)
> NameError: global name 'Dbf' is not defined
> =================================================================
>

 Dbf != dbf

 You are importing module as "dbf" so how do you expect name "Dbf"
  to be there ?

 These are silly errors. If you need to post to a forum for resolving them,
 there is something wrong with your way of coding.


>
>  Can some one point out like where am i going wrong.
>
> Thank you
> Ranganath.S
>
>
>
>
> --
> I blog at http://ranganaths.wordpress.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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--Anand

From ranganaths at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 12:23:25 2009
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:53:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DBF error
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30911190306n7daecc7n2c288e8293a15ec5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77bb36840911190254w4b25f48es7b5c797b7a64723d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911190306n7daecc7n2c288e8293a15ec5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77bb36840911190323k6df8a709kf95607d2612d0617@mail.gmail.com>

well i did check for it. But if you look in to the dbf.py in the dbf module
may be you can understand. Here is my imports on interpreter,

@anand,These are silly errors. If you need to post to a forum for resolving
them,
 there is something wrong with your way of coding.
>> Yep, i do know there is some thing wrong with this code. just requesting
geeks out there in python to just help out  thats it..

==============================
==================
>>> from dbfpy import dbf
>>> from dbfpy import Dbf

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<pyshell#1>", line 1, in <module>
    from dbfpy import Dbf
ImportError: cannot import name Dbf
>>> db = dbf("abcd",True)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<pyshell#2>", line 1, in <module>
    db = dbf("abcd",True)
============================================

-Ranganath.S

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > HI all,
> >
> >        i have installed the DBF module and  just wrote a small program as
> > follows :-
> > from dbfpy import dbf
> >
> >
> > def OpenFile(tblName):
> >       '''fpath = os.path.join(local.DB_DIR,tblName)'''
> >       '''f=open(tblName,"ab+")'''
> >       db=Dbf(tblName,True)
> >       db.addField(
> >           ("NAME","C",15),
> >           ("SName","C",15),
> >       )
> >       for(n ,s ) in (
> >          ("john","miller"),
> >       ):
> >          rec=db.newRecord()
> >          rec["NAME"]=n
> >          rec["SNAME"]=s
> >          rec.store()
> >       db.close()
> >
> > OpenFile("test.dbf")
> >
> > =============================
> > This programs gives error as follows
> > =============================
> > cursor at cursor:~/SchoolManagementSystem$ python test.py
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >  File "test.py", line 23, in <module>
> >    OpenFile("test.dbf")
> >  File "test.py", line 9, in OpenFile
> >    db=Dbf(tblName,True)
> > NameError: global name 'Dbf' is not defined
> > =================================================================
> >
>
>  Dbf != dbf
>
>  You are importing module as "dbf" so how do you expect name "Dbf"
>  to be there ?
>
>  These are silly errors. If you need to post to a forum for resolving them,
>  there is something wrong with your way of coding.
>
>
> >
> >  Can some one point out like where am i going wrong.
> >
> > Thank you
> > Ranganath.S
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > I blog at http://ranganaths.wordpress.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From aravind.geek at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 12:41:48 2009
From: aravind.geek at gmail.com (Aravind Muthu)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:11:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DBF error
In-Reply-To: <77bb36840911190323k6df8a709kf95607d2612d0617@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77bb36840911190254w4b25f48es7b5c797b7a64723d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911190306n7daecc7n2c288e8293a15ec5@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840911190323k6df8a709kf95607d2612d0617@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8b08b8a0911190341i7fdfbc11i6eb8d142f36a3826@mail.gmail.com>

from dbfpy import dbf


def OpenFile(tblName):
      '''fpath = os.path.join(local.DB_DIR,tblName)'''
      '''f=open(tblName,"ab+")'''
      db=dbf.Dbf(tblName,True)
      db.addField(
          ("NAME","C",15),
          ("SName","C",15),
      )
      for(n ,s ) in (
         ("john","miller"),
      ):
         rec=db.newRecord()
         rec["NAME"]=n
         rec["SNAME"]=s
         rec.store()
      db.close()

OpenFile("test.dbf")



sure it will work..check it out

On 11/19/09, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com> wrote:
> well i did check for it. But if you look in to the dbf.py in the dbf module
> may be you can understand. Here is my imports on interpreter,
>
> @anand,These are silly errors. If you need to post to a forum for resolving
> them,
>  there is something wrong with your way of coding.
>>> Yep, i do know there is some thing wrong with this code. just requesting
> geeks out there in python to just help out  thats it..
>
> ==============================
> ==================
>>>> from dbfpy import dbf
>>>> from dbfpy import Dbf
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#1>", line 1, in <module>
>     from dbfpy import Dbf
> ImportError: cannot import name Dbf
>>>> db = dbf("abcd",True)
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<pyshell#2>", line 1, in <module>
>     db = dbf("abcd",True)
> ============================================
>
> -Ranganath.S
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > HI all,
>> >
>> >        i have installed the DBF module and  just wrote a small program
>> > as
>> > follows :-
>> > from dbfpy import dbf
>> >
>> >
>> > def OpenFile(tblName):
>> >       '''fpath = os.path.join(local.DB_DIR,tblName)'''
>> >       '''f=open(tblName,"ab+")'''
>> >       db=Dbf(tblName,True)
>> >       db.addField(
>> >           ("NAME","C",15),
>> >           ("SName","C",15),
>> >       )
>> >       for(n ,s ) in (
>> >          ("john","miller"),
>> >       ):
>> >          rec=db.newRecord()
>> >          rec["NAME"]=n
>> >          rec["SNAME"]=s
>> >          rec.store()
>> >       db.close()
>> >
>> > OpenFile("test.dbf")
>> >
>> > =============================
>> > This programs gives error as follows
>> > =============================
>> > cursor at cursor:~/SchoolManagementSystem$ python test.py
>> > Traceback (most recent call last):
>> >  File "test.py", line 23, in <module>
>> >    OpenFile("test.dbf")
>> >  File "test.py", line 9, in OpenFile
>> >    db=Dbf(tblName,True)
>> > NameError: global name 'Dbf' is not defined
>> > =================================================================
>> >
>>
>>  Dbf != dbf
>>
>>  You are importing module as "dbf" so how do you expect name "Dbf"
>>  to be there ?
>>
>>  These are silly errors. If you need to post to a forum for resolving
>> them,
>>  there is something wrong with your way of coding.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >  Can some one point out like where am i going wrong.
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> > Ranganath.S
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > I blog at http://ranganaths.wordpress.com
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Anand
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> I blog at http://ranganaths.wordpress.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 12:42:12 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:12:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DBF error
In-Reply-To: <77bb36840911190323k6df8a709kf95607d2612d0617@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77bb36840911190254w4b25f48es7b5c797b7a64723d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911190306n7daecc7n2c288e8293a15ec5@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840911190323k6df8a709kf95607d2612d0617@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911190342x4a5b48c6vc404092e5d3c7b50@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com> wrote:
> well i did check for it. But if you look in to the dbf.py in the dbf module
> may be you can understand. Here is my imports on interpreter,

Try
  from dbfpy.dbf import Dbf

I'd recommend you skim through the modules/packages sections of the
tutorial. The __init__.py business is something people often trip
over.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From aravind.geek at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 12:51:45 2009
From: aravind.geek at gmail.com (Aravind Muthu)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:21:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DBF error
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911190342x4a5b48c6vc404092e5d3c7b50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77bb36840911190254w4b25f48es7b5c797b7a64723d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911190306n7daecc7n2c288e8293a15ec5@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840911190323k6df8a709kf95607d2612d0617@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911190342x4a5b48c6vc404092e5d3c7b50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8b08b8a0911190351x59389331ob3fe10fea59d627a@mail.gmail.com>

No need to change ur import  class..
make these changes in ur pgm.

 from dbfpy import dbf



 db=dbf.Dbf(tblName,True)

On 11/19/09, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com> wrote:
>> well i did check for it. But if you look in to the dbf.py in the dbf
>> module
>> may be you can understand. Here is my imports on interpreter,
>
> Try
>   from dbfpy.dbf import Dbf
>
> I'd recommend you skim through the modules/packages sections of the
> tutorial. The __init__.py business is something people often trip
> over.
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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From ranganaths at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 12:59:45 2009
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:29:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DBF error
In-Reply-To: <a8b08b8a0911190351x59389331ob3fe10fea59d627a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77bb36840911190254w4b25f48es7b5c797b7a64723d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30911190306n7daecc7n2c288e8293a15ec5@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840911190323k6df8a709kf95607d2612d0617@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0911190342x4a5b48c6vc404092e5d3c7b50@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8b08b8a0911190351x59389331ob3fe10fea59d627a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77bb36840911190359y40f1fefft448cb0a64a85ce1e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Aravind , Noufal..

-R

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Aravind Muthu <aravind.geek at gmail.com>wrote:

> No need to change ur import  class..
> make these changes in ur pgm.
>
>  from dbfpy import dbf
>
>
>
>  db=dbf.Dbf(tblName,True)
>
> On 11/19/09, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> well i did check for it. But if you look in to the dbf.py in the dbf
> >> module
> >> may be you can understand. Here is my imports on interpreter,
> >
> > Try
> >   from dbfpy.dbf import Dbf
> >
> > I'd recommend you skim through the modules/packages sections of the
> > tutorial. The __init__.py business is something people often trip
> > over.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
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>



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From leela.vadlamudi at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 13:38:18 2009
From: leela.vadlamudi at gmail.com (leela vadlamudi)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:08:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Web developers required
Message-ID: <959452bf0911190438n1a836b9dlf20debf28604161b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Global Analytics India has immediate requirements for experienced python
programmers and web developers (preferably in Django).

The openings are in Chennai. Please rush your cv to
careers at global-analytics.com with position mentioned in the subject line.


2+ years of Python web developers with preference to Django framework.
Experience in developing dynamic websites using DHTML, XML, CSS, JavaScript,
Ajax.
Working knowledge of Django/ Pylons/ Turbo gears or any Python web
Frameworks.
Django experience is an advantage.
Knowledge of MySql & Apache is a must.
Other skills: Experience in using Wordpress/Joomla or any CMS is a plus.

*For python programmers*

1+ year experience working in Python, Django (preferred) & JavaScript.
-Good Knowledge in Object oriented programming
-Knowledge of multiple web frameworks (preferred).

Thanks

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 14:09:05 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:39:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Reminder] BangPypers monthly meetup on Sun November
	22 4 pm at Thoughtworks on LLVM-py
Message-ID: <49977f270911190509w20c2d0bfg37341c81f78e83c8@mail.gmail.com>

A reminder/confirmation - I just called Mahadevan and confirmed the
following with him.

-- Sriram

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>


So I guess it's settled then.
Time : 4:00 pm
Date : 22 Nov 2009
Venue : Thought Works, Diamond District.
Highlights : Mahadevan's talk on python bindings for llvm

Is this okay?

P.S. If any of the people attending have the conference recordings,
please bring them.

Thanks.



--
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http://nibrahim.net.in
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From srini at nanolets.in  Fri Nov 20 03:49:56 2009
From: srini at nanolets.in (Nanolets nanolets)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:19:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Twisted based ftp server
Message-ID: <a5eab14c0911191849t253ad0f1m376b7b4211dcb40e@mail.gmail.com>

Server is a framework which may connect to any heirarchical data source
to give a folder view to it.

Job is a 3 months contract.

Email me offline if anybody is interested for discussion.

Regards
Srini.

From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 12:10:33 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:40:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3 book
Message-ID: <6305ec600911220310x6a7e88f1kd86c8da510bde8ef@mail.gmail.com>

"Programming in Python 3 (Second Edition):
A Complete Introduction to the Python Language"
ISBN 0321680561
*http://www.qtrac.eu/py3book.html*

The book has been fully revised and updated and now covers both Python
3.0 and 3.1, and with the language moratorium (PEP 3003), this second
edition should be useful for many years to come. And in addition to
the
thorough updating, the book has been extended with new chapters on
debugging, testing, and profiling, and on parsing (including coverage
of the
PyParsing and PLY modules), as well as a new section on coroutines in
the advanced chapter.

The book is aimed at a wide audience, but assumes some programming
experience (not necessarily Python, not necessarily object-oriented).
It teaches solid procedural style programming, then builds on that to
teach solid object-oriented programming, and then goes on to more
advanced topics (e.g., including a nice way to create validated
attributes by combining class decorators with descriptors).
But even newcomers to Python 3 should be able to write
useful (although small and basic) programs after reading
chapter 1, and then go on to create larger and
more sophisticated programs as they work through the chapters.
All the examples are available for download from the book's web site.

-- 
Praveen Kumar
+91 9620621342
http://praveensunsetpoint.wordpress.com
Bangalore

From mailzico at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 12:50:54 2009
From: mailzico at gmail.com (Zico)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:50:54 +0600
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3 book
In-Reply-To: <6305ec600911220310x6a7e88f1kd86c8da510bde8ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6305ec600911220310x6a7e88f1kd86c8da510bde8ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69621d830911220350n701197f2wbd68d92392da217a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Praveen Kumar <
praveen.python.plone at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Programming in Python 3 (Second Edition):
> A Complete Introduction to the Python Language"
> ISBN 0321680561
> *http://www.qtrac.eu/py3book.html*
>
>
*Not found - 404*

URL requested (/py3book.html*) not found


-- 
Best,
Zico

From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 12:53:23 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:23:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3 book
In-Reply-To: <69621d830911220350n701197f2wbd68d92392da217a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6305ec600911220310x6a7e88f1kd86c8da510bde8ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<69621d830911220350n701197f2wbd68d92392da217a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6305ec600911220353g12350da2j9a72faa2923b4d54@mail.gmail.com>

Remove ( * ) at end..

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Zico <mailzico at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Praveen Kumar <
> praveen.python.plone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Programming in Python 3 (Second Edition):
> > A Complete Introduction to the Python Language"
> > ISBN 0321680561
> > *http://www.qtrac.eu/py3book.html*
> >
> >
> *Not found - 404*
>
> URL requested (/py3book.html*) not found
>
>
> --
> Best,
> Zico
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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+91 9739854134
http://praveensunsetpoint.wordpress.com
Bangalore

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 17:58:45 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:28:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Reminder] BangPypers monthly meetup on Sun
	November 22 4 pm at Thoughtworks on LLVM-py
In-Reply-To: <49977f270911190509w20c2d0bfg37341c81f78e83c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270911190509w20c2d0bfg37341c81f78e83c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911230858k7394670dgc5dbf858fd28cbf8@mail.gmail.com>

This went well. Not much on the mintues since it was basically all
Mahadevan's excellent presentation on LLVM and llvm-py

We tried recording the desktop but it didn't work so unfortunately, no
screencasts. :(


On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> A reminder/confirmation - I just called Mahadevan and confirmed the
> following with him.
>
> -- Sriram
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] BangPypers monthly meetup.
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
>
>
> So I guess it's settled then.
> Time : 4:00 pm
> Date : 22 Nov 2009
> Venue : Thought Works, Diamond District.
> Highlights : Mahadevan's talk on python bindings for llvm
>
> Is this okay?
>
> P.S. If any of the people attending have the conference recordings,
> please bring them.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vivekbest86 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 24 05:31:46 2009
From: vivekbest86 at yahoo.com (Vivek Rajendran)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:31:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers]  in CGI using getcwd
Message-ID: <26490352.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,
    I'm facing a problem as follows in using os.getcwd() in CGI scripting
(Linux FC2 ,FC11)
For Ex:
      I'm having my web folder and index.py file in location
/var/www/html/foobar/index.py.
      Also, I have a test file info.txt in the same foobar folder.
      My index.py is not able to open the file and read it in tha folder.
Instead it reads under '/' folder.
      When I did os.getcwd() surprisingly I'm getting '/' as the current
folder irrespective of location wherever I run the script. Also, I tried
os.environ['PWD']. Same is the problem.(In windows both the approaches are
working properly)
      Is this a configuration issue? If then, please tell me which file I
need to configure (like httpd.conf,python.conf) and how to do it?
      It will be of great help to me If anyone provides me a clear and
working soluton.

Thanks and Regards
Vivek Rajendran
      
-- 
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From vivekbest86 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 24 05:39:17 2009
From: vivekbest86 at yahoo.com (Vivek Rajendran)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:39:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers]  How to retrieve current URL in CGI scripting
Message-ID: <26490399.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,
     I would like to know how to get the current url inside the cgi script
where I'm using it.
For Ex:
     I'm having index.py in location /var/www/html/foobar/ in server with IP
10.0.0.12

     When I retrive this page from browser, I want to know the current URL
as "http://10.0.0.12/foobar/"

     Do we have any way to do this? If then, please let me know.

Thanks and Regards
Vivek Rajendran




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From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 07:43:24 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:13:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to retrieve current URL in CGI scripting
In-Reply-To: <26490399.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <26490399.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0911232243s2ea290cbmf890e85e86a73a20@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Vivek Rajendran <vivekbest86 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> ? ? I would like to know how to get the current url inside the cgi script
> where I'm using it.
> For Ex:
> ? ? I'm having index.py in location /var/www/html/foobar/ in server with IP
> 10.0.0.12
>
> ? ? When I retrive this page from browser, I want to know the current URL
> as "http://10.0.0.12/foobar/"

 You can find this information in HTTP headers.

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From scorpion032 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 08:22:27 2009
From: scorpion032 at gmail.com (Lakshman Prasad)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:52:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] in CGI using getcwd
In-Reply-To: <26490352.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <26490352.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <d38edb550911232322t3ca8491fs7add91689d76a68d@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, os.getcwd() does not give the directory where your code is located, but
where the call happens from. Otherwise it would always point to the where
python is installed on your system.

In order to get the directory of where the code is, you should something
like follows:

    this_file = os.path.abspath(__file__)
    this_dir = os.path.dirname(this_file)



On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Vivek Rajendran <vivekbest86 at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> Hi,
>    I'm facing a problem as follows in using os.getcwd() in CGI scripting
> (Linux FC2 ,FC11)
> For Ex:
>      I'm having my web folder and index.py file in location
> /var/www/html/foobar/index.py.
>      Also, I have a test file info.txt in the same foobar folder.
>      My index.py is not able to open the file and read it in tha folder.
> Instead it reads under '/' folder.
>      When I did os.getcwd() surprisingly I'm getting '/' as the current
> folder irrespective of location wherever I run the script. Also, I tried
> os.environ['PWD']. Same is the problem.(In windows both the approaches are
> working properly)
>      Is this a configuration issue? If then, please tell me which file I
> need to configure (like httpd.conf,python.conf) and how to do it?
>      It will be of great help to me If anyone provides me a clear and
> working soluton.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Vivek Rajendran
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://old.nabble.com/in-CGI-using-getcwd-tp26490352p26490352.html
> Sent from the BangPypers - Bangalore Python Users Group mailing list
> archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
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>



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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 17:05:35 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:35:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3 book
In-Reply-To: <6305ec600911220353g12350da2j9a72faa2923b4d54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6305ec600911220310x6a7e88f1kd86c8da510bde8ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<69621d830911220350n701197f2wbd68d92392da217a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6305ec600911220353g12350da2j9a72faa2923b4d54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911240805x2e37e364va71e31f1074d3f98@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Praveen Kumar
<praveen.python.plone at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
>> > "Programming in Python 3 (Second Edition):
>> > A Complete Introduction to the Python Language"
>> > ISBN 0321680561
>> > *http://www.qtrac.eu/py3book.html*
[..]

There's also http://diveintopython3.org/
-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 06:20:44 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:50:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to retrieve current URL in CGI scripting
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d0911232243s2ea290cbmf890e85e86a73a20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26490399.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<91bea30d0911232243s2ea290cbmf890e85e86a73a20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6305ec600911242120o160473e8o85b3a6688367d4e4@mail.gmail.com>

You can try HTTP_REFERER but it depends on several things (browser,
server, cgi-implementation etc.)

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Vivek Rajendran <vivekbest86 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >     I would like to know how to get the current url inside the cgi script
> > where I'm using it.
> > For Ex:
> >     I'm having index.py in location /var/www/html/foobar/ in server with
> IP
> > 10.0.0.12
> >
> >     When I retrive this page from browser, I want to know the current URL
> > as "http://10.0.0.12/foobar/"
>
>  You can find this information in HTTP headers.
>
> regards
> Vivek
>
> --
> The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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+91 9739854134
http://praveensunsetpoint.wordpress.com
Bangalore

From Mahaboob_Subhan at DellTeam.com  Wed Nov 25 12:54:03 2009
From: Mahaboob_Subhan at DellTeam.com (Mahaboob_Subhan at DellTeam.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:54:03 -0600
Subject: [BangPypers] ssh client
Message-ID: <35D47D6EB5A05A42886E5A338ECCFEC1010429@ausx3mps351.aus.amer.dell.com>

How can I write ssh client using python socket ?

 

 

Subhan


From mdevan.foobar at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 15:19:21 2009
From: mdevan.foobar at gmail.com (Mahadevan R)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:49:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ssh client
In-Reply-To: <35D47D6EB5A05A42886E5A338ECCFEC1010429@ausx3mps351.aus.amer.dell.com>
References: <35D47D6EB5A05A42886E5A338ECCFEC1010429@ausx3mps351.aus.amer.dell.com>
Message-ID: <c8033d570911250619r67028333ua88d4382735b60c3@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:24 PM,  <Mahaboob_Subhan at dellteam.com> wrote:
> How can I write ssh client using python socket ?

Try paramiko: http://www.lag.net/paramiko/

Regards,
-MD.

From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 15:19:47 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:49:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ssh client
In-Reply-To: <35D47D6EB5A05A42886E5A338ECCFEC1010429@ausx3mps351.aus.amer.dell.com>
References: <35D47D6EB5A05A42886E5A338ECCFEC1010429@ausx3mps351.aus.amer.dell.com>
Message-ID: <6305ec600911250619j4392461fqfa54c1ab5535f3a8@mail.gmail.com>

I could not get your question exactly, but if you want to write some simple
program go through the http://docs.python.org/library/socket.html#example

Thanks and regards

Praveen Kumar
+91 9620621342

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:24 PM, <Mahaboob_Subhan at dellteam.com> wrote:

> How can I write ssh client using python socket ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Subhan
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From vivekbest86 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 26 15:11:10 2009
From: vivekbest86 at yahoo.com (Vivek Rajendran)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:11:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] ssh client
In-Reply-To: <35D47D6EB5A05A42886E5A338ECCFEC1010429@ausx3mps351.aus.amer.dell.com>
References: <35D47D6EB5A05A42886E5A338ECCFEC1010429@ausx3mps351.aus.amer.dell.com>
Message-ID: <26529988.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,
       You want strictly to do this using socket?
 Else, you can use pexpect module. It doesn't come with default python
installation in both windows and linux. 
  You can download it seperately and install the module. Basically you will
spawn a process and then ssh into the remote machine.




Mahaboob_Subhan wrote:
> 
> How can I write ssh client using python socket ?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Subhan
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 15:12:29 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:42:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ssh client
In-Reply-To: <26529988.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <35D47D6EB5A05A42886E5A338ECCFEC1010429@ausx3mps351.aus.amer.dell.com>
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pexpect is a good choice, and its way simple, but getting it to work on
windows is tough.....

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Vivek Rajendran <vivekbest86 at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> Hi,
>       You want strictly to do this using socket?
>  Else, you can use pexpect module. It doesn't come with default python
> installation in both windows and linux.
>  You can download it seperately and install the module. Basically you will
> spawn a process and then ssh into the remote machine.
>
>
>
>
> Mahaboob_Subhan wrote:
> >
> > How can I write ssh client using python socket ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Subhan
> >
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From vivekbest86 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 26 15:15:34 2009
From: vivekbest86 at yahoo.com (Vivek Rajendran)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:15:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] How to retrieve current URL in CGI scripting
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Hi,
    A doubt again...
    I have looked into apache.py file inside
/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/... path and they have a method
build_cgi_env(req)
   
    If we invoke this function it gives a dict of env variables.
    But I don't know how to invoke this function ? with that 'req' argument.
Can anyone please help me?

Thanks 
Vivek R
   

Vivek Khurana-2 wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Vivek Rajendran <vivekbest86 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> ? ? I would like to know how to get the current url inside the cgi script
>> where I'm using it.
>> For Ex:
>> ? ? I'm having index.py in location /var/www/html/foobar/ in server with
>> IP
>> 10.0.0.12
>>
>> ? ? When I retrive this page from browser, I want to know the current URL
>> as "http://10.0.0.12/foobar/"
> 
>  You can find this information in HTTP headers.
> 
> regards
> Vivek
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From vivekbest86 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 26 15:50:37 2009
From: vivekbest86 at yahoo.com (Vivek Rajendran)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:50:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] ssh client
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Hi,
    You are right. In that case we can use paramiko module.
But its less used. And it uses ssh2 protocol

Thanks
Vivek Rajendran


Ramdas S wrote:
> 
> pexpect is a good choice, and its way simple, but getting it to work on
> windows is tough.....
> 
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Vivek Rajendran
> <vivekbest86 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
>>
>> Hi,
>>       You want strictly to do this using socket?
>>  Else, you can use pexpect module. It doesn't come with default python
>> installation in both windows and linux.
>>  You can download it seperately and install the module. Basically you
>> will
>> spawn a process and then ssh into the remote machine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mahaboob_Subhan wrote:
>> >
>> > How can I write ssh client using python socket ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Subhan
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>> >
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>> http://old.nabble.com/ssh-client-tp26513204p26529988.html
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>> archive at Nabble.com.
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From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 15:51:59 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:21:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to retrieve current URL in CGI scripting
In-Reply-To: <26530049.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <26490399.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<91bea30d0911232243s2ea290cbmf890e85e86a73a20@mail.gmail.com>
	<26530049.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0911260651r4d281f1am3f7195313740246d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Vivek Rajendran <vivekbest86 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> ? ?A doubt again...
> ? ?I have looked into apache.py file inside
> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/... path and they have a method
> build_cgi_env(req)
>
> ? ?If we invoke this function it gives a dict of env variables.
> ? ?But I don't know how to invoke this function ? with that 'req' argument.

 import apache
 env = apache.build_cgi_env(req)

 req will be the request object.

regards
Vivek

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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 11:06:59 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:36:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] apycot
Message-ID: <9963e56e0911300206l3a6a6781g9143fe41ce5b4758@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
  Does anyone have any experience with using apycot
http://www.logilab.org/project/apycot to automate a large batch of tests? I
basically need a framework to do all the accounting and paperwork for me.
Alternative suggestions would be nice too.

Thanks

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From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Mon Nov 30 12:38:08 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:08:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] apycot
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0911300206l3a6a6781g9143fe41ce5b4758@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0911300206l3a6a6781g9143fe41ce5b4758@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0911300338g46c46b3fk5b54ff45b188ad0c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> ?Does anyone have any experience with using apycot
> http://www.logilab.org/project/apycot to automate a large batch of tests? I
> basically need a framework to do all the accounting and paperwork for me.
> Alternative suggestions would be nice too.

May be you are looking for continuous integration server like:

http://hudson-ci.org/ or
http://buildbot.net/trac (try: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/collective.buildbot )

Regards,
Baiju M

From Mahaboob_Subhan at DellTeam.com  Thu Nov 26 12:33:51 2009
From: Mahaboob_Subhan at DellTeam.com (Mahaboob_Subhan at DellTeam.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:33:51 -0600
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 27, Issue 32
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I tried paramiko,but I am getting following error while importing
paramiko
ImportError: No module named Crypto.Util.randpool

Subhan

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:54:03 -0600
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How can I write ssh client using python socket ?

 

 

Subhan



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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:49:21 +0530
From: Mahadevan R <mdevan.foobar at gmail.com>
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] ssh client
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:24 PM,  <Mahaboob_Subhan at dellteam.com> wrote:
> How can I write ssh client using python socket ?

Try paramiko: http://www.lag.net/paramiko/

Regards,
-MD.


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:49:47 +0530
From: Praveen Kumar <praveen.python.plone at gmail.com>
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] ssh client
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I could not get your question exactly, but if you want to write some
simple
program go through the
http://docs.python.org/library/socket.html#example

Thanks and regards

Praveen Kumar
+91 9620621342

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:24 PM, <Mahaboob_Subhan at dellteam.com> wrote:

> How can I write ssh client using python socket ?
>
>
>
>
>
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From Mahaboob_Subhan at DellTeam.com  Thu Nov 26 12:36:14 2009
From: Mahaboob_Subhan at DellTeam.com (Mahaboob_Subhan at DellTeam.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:36:14 -0600
Subject: [BangPypers] meta programming
Message-ID: <35D47D6EB5A05A42886E5A338ECCFEC1010437@ausx3mps351.aus.amer.dell.com>

Hi All,

 

Is there any good python Meta programming tutorial?

 

Subhan