From david.lyon at preisshare.net  Mon Feb  2 05:20:58 2009
From: david.lyon at preisshare.net (David Lyon)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:20:58 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Python package Management GUI - New Project on
	Sourceforge
Message-ID: <c7f42c605ba70f98435c114a9c04061e@preisshare.net>


Hi all,

I am pleased to announce that we have started a new python
project on sourceforge.

  Python Package Manager
  pythonpkgmgr.sourceforge.net

The goal is to provide a cross platform GUI tool that will
vastly simplify loading and installing packages under python.

 - written in python
 - use WXWidgets for cross compatability
 - utilises distutils
 - provide a GUI wrapper for EasyInstall and pip
 - fetches packages from http://pypi.python.org/pypi
   using their XML-RPC interface.

Feel free to apply to join the project and help us build the solution that
we all need and deserve.

Regards David Lyon




From sibteym at infotechsw.com  Mon Feb  2 06:49:21 2009
From: sibteym at infotechsw.com (sibteym at infotechsw.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:19:21 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [BangPypers] how to create data to dump into yaml file
Message-ID: <42888.203.200.218.112.1233553761.INFOTECHENTL@webmail.infotechsw.com>



hi
    I have to create a yaml file using my list of objects.shall i need to
create a string using my objects and then load and dump that string or
is there any other way to create the yaml file.

i want a yaml file to be created from [Text, Author,......]in this format
Text:
    - value1
    - value2
    - value 3
Author:
     name: bookName


Thanks
Sibtey Mehdi








From hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 11:30:28 2009
From: hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com (Hussain Bohra)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 02:30:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Django + Lighttpd + Global Variables are getting
	initalized frequently
References: <42888.203.200.218.112.1233553761.INFOTECHENTL@webmail.infotechsw.com>
Message-ID: <517599.36456.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I am using Django and Lighttpd Webserver, for one of our tool.
I am initializing one variable as a global at the top of file and updating the same on some particular function call. What I am observing is it works fine for some time but after some time variable defined on the top get reinitialized but happening with random pattern of time-- (can be confirmed from the log message), I guess complete module is getting loaded again

I was facing the same problem in Django Development server also, but I am able to come across the same using '--noreload' option, python manage.py runserver --noreload, and updation of my variable is working properly

but i cant able to find any thing similar for runfcgi, python manage.py runfcgi daemonize=true.

Any one do let me know, what can be done to avoid reinitialize of a source file (i.e. once get loaded in a memory, should not be updated until web server restarts), I tried removing py file and start server with .pyc files, then also same problem is coming.

Thankx in advance

 
Thanks and Regards,
Hussain Bohra




________________________________
From: "sibteym at infotechsw.com" <sibteym at infotechsw.com>
To: bangpypers at python.org
Sent: Monday, 2 February, 2009 11:19:21 AM
Subject: [BangPypers] how to create data to dump into yaml file



hi
    I have to create a yaml file using my list of objects.shall i need to
create a string using my objects and then load and dump that string or
is there any other way to create the yaml file.

i want a yaml file to be created from [Text, Author,......]in this format
Text:
    - value1
    - value2
    - value 3
Author:
     name: bookName


Thanks
Sibtey Mehdi







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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 12:00:47 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:30:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django + Lighttpd + Global Variables are getting
	initalized frequently
In-Reply-To: <517599.36456.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <42888.203.200.218.112.1233553761.INFOTECHENTL@webmail.infotechsw.com>
	<517599.36456.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a3b05e8b0902020300k3308731fu1fca830000340b2e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Hussain Bohra <hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I was facing the same problem in Django Development server also, but I am
> able to come across the same using '--noreload' option, python manage.py
> runserver --noreload, and updation of my variable is working properly
>
>
There is a bug in  your manage.py - it came to know that
a) you send mails by _just_ replying to and then changing the subject and
b) dont even care to delete the contents of the previous mail.

manage.py considers both the above two acts as highly heinous and hence the
problem. Go and find your penance(if any)!

-V-
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From hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 12:27:40 2009
From: hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com (Hussain Bohra)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 03:27:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Django + Lighttpd + Global Variables are getting
	initalized frequently
Message-ID: <430691.72781.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I am using Django and Lighttpd Webserver, for one of our tool.
I
am initializing one variable as a global at the top of file and
updating the same on some particular function call. What I am observing
is it works fine for some time but after some time variable defined on
the top get reinitialized but happening with random pattern of time--
(can be confirmed from the log message), I guess complete module is
getting loaded again

I was facing the same problem in Django Development server also, but I am able to come across the same using '--noreload' option, python manage.py runserver --noreload, and updation of my variable is working properly

but i cant able to find any thing similar for runfcgi, python manage.py runfcgi daemonize=true.

Any
one do let me know, what can be done to avoid reinitialize of a source
file (i.e. once get loaded in a memory, should not be updated until web
server restarts), I tried removing py file and start server with .pyc
files, then also same problem is coming.

Thankx in advance

 Thanks and Regards,
Hussain Bohra



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From guru at sent.com  Tue Feb  3 12:05:04 2009
From: guru at sent.com (Guru Das)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:35:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python and Django training required
Message-ID: <1233659104.22196.1298237267@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hello,

I represent a Bangalore based company that executes Web Development
projects. We would like to get a team of 10 engineers (with experience
in Java) trained in Python and Django, and for that purpose, I would
like to invite quotes for the program. The training is likely to be held
in the month of March.

Best,
Guru Das

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Feb  3 12:30:16 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:00:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python and Django training required
In-Reply-To: <1233659104.22196.1298237267@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1233659104.22196.1298237267@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <200902031700.16641.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Tuesday 03 Feb 2009 4:35:04 pm Guru Das wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I represent a Bangalore based company that executes Web Development
> projects. We would like to get a team of 10 engineers (with experience
> in Java) trained in Python and Django, and for that purpose, I would
> like to invite quotes for the program. The training is likely to be held
> in the month of March.

I charge 6400 a day - depending on the group, I could bring them up to speed 
in 10 days. This would be staggered. 5 days first, one week gap and then 
another 5 days. My methodology is to teach them to learn for themselves - it 
doesn't always work, so you are taking a risk. Also, please note that if they 
take my course, they will never touch java again ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Feb  3 12:41:23 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:11:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python and Django training required
In-Reply-To: <200902031700.16641.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <1233659104.22196.1298237267@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<200902031700.16641.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <200902031711.23371.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Tuesday 03 Feb 2009 5:00:16 pm Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 Feb 2009 4:35:04 pm Guru Das wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I represent a Bangalore based company that executes Web Development
> > projects. We would like to get a team of 10 engineers (with experience
> > in Java) trained in Python and Django, and for that purpose, I would
> > like to invite quotes for the program. The training is likely to be held
> > in the month of March.
>
> I charge 6400 a day - depending on the group, I could bring them up to
> speed in 10 days. This would be staggered. 5 days first, one week gap and
> then another 5 days. My methodology is to teach them to learn for
> themselves - it doesn't always work, so you are taking a risk. Also, please
> note that if they take my course, they will never touch java again ;-)

omg - how did this reach the list??? apologies guys, I clicked 'reply to 
sender'.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 12:51:39 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:21:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python and Django training required
In-Reply-To: <200902031711.23371.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <1233659104.22196.1298237267@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<200902031700.16641.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200902031711.23371.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902030351o483dd825paad89933a5526e4d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 Feb 2009 5:00:16 pm Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>> On Tuesday 03 Feb 2009 4:35:04 pm Guru Das wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I represent a Bangalore based company that executes Web Development
>> > projects. We would like to get a team of 10 engineers (with experience
>> > in Java) trained in Python and Django, and for that purpose, I would
>> > like to invite quotes for the program. The training is likely to be held
>> > in the month of March.
>>
>> I charge 6400 a day - depending on the group, I could bring them up to
>> speed in 10 days. This would be staggered. 5 days first, one week gap and
>> then another 5 days. My methodology is to teach them to learn for
>> themselves - it doesn't always work, so you are taking a risk. Also, please
>> note that if they take my course, they will never touch java again ;-)
>
> omg - how did this reach the list??? apologies guys, I clicked 'reply to
> sender'.

"Caveat Sendore - Let the sender beware"

The mailman is configured to set "Reply-to" to the mailing list
address. If you want to reply to sender, you need to "reply to all"
and remove the mailing list address.



>
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Associate
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
-Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 12:54:34 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:24:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python and Django training required
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902030351o483dd825paad89933a5526e4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1233659104.22196.1298237267@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<200902031700.16641.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200902031711.23371.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30902030351o483dd825paad89933a5526e4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902030354g140e37c0y66b6d0982ad64734@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 03 Feb 2009 5:00:16 pm Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 03 Feb 2009 4:35:04 pm Guru Das wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > I represent a Bangalore based company that executes Web Development
>>> > projects. We would like to get a team of 10 engineers (with experience
>>> > in Java) trained in Python and Django, and for that purpose, I would
>>> > like to invite quotes for the program. The training is likely to be held
>>> > in the month of March.
>>>
>>> I charge 6400 a day - depending on the group, I could bring them up to
>>> speed in 10 days. This would be staggered. 5 days first, one week gap and
>>> then another 5 days. My methodology is to teach them to learn for
>>> themselves - it doesn't always work, so you are taking a risk. Also, please
>>> note that if they take my course, they will never touch java again ;-)
>>
>> omg - how did this reach the list??? apologies guys, I clicked 'reply to
>> sender'.
>
> "Caveat Sendore - Let the sender beware"
>
> The mailman is configured to set "Reply-to" to the mailing list
> address. If you want to reply to sender, you need to "reply to all"
> and remove the mailing list address.

Caveat on the caveat - Even this does not seem to work actually.
since 'Reply to all" still shows only the group address.

I guess you can change this in your individual preferences in
mailman at python.org.


>
>
>
>>
>> --
>> regards
>> Kenneth Gonsalves
>> Associate
>> NRC-FOSS
>> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -Anand
>



-- 
-Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Feb  3 12:54:14 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:24:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python and Django training required
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902030351o483dd825paad89933a5526e4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1233659104.22196.1298237267@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<200902031711.23371.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30902030351o483dd825paad89933a5526e4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902031724.14818.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Tuesday 03 Feb 2009 5:21:39 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > omg - how did this reach the list??? apologies guys, I clicked 'reply to
> > sender'.
>
> "Caveat Sendore - Let the sender beware"
>
> The mailman is configured to set "Reply-to" to the mailing list
> address. If you want to reply to sender, you need to "reply to all"
> and remove the mailing list address.

/me puts tail between legs and slinks awaY

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 03:36:33 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:06:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python and Django training required
In-Reply-To: <200902031700.16641.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <1233659104.22196.1298237267@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<200902031700.16641.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <a3b05e8b0902031836g1a52cee9xa7095f788712a056@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

>
> I charge 6400 a day - depending on the group, I could bring them up to
> speed
> in 10 days. This would be staggered. 5 days first, one week gap and then
> another 5 days. My methodology is to teach them to learn for themselves -
> it
> doesn't always work, so you are taking a risk. Also, please note that if
> they
> take my course, they will never touch java again ;-)
>

Now, we know all your secrets...*evil laugh*.

@Guru: sidenote: i would suggest making the group learn Python first, work
on it *atleast* for a month. And then go ahead with Django. A continuous
n-day program covering both Py+django is no good. Also, a few hours daily is
better than 1-full day of training, which prolongs for n-days.

-V-
http://twitter.com/venkat83
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From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 10:25:22 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:55:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django + Lighttpd + Global Variables are getting
	initalized frequently
In-Reply-To: <430691.72781.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <430691.72781.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6305ec600902040125s185bea5l3872c964ab04d833@mail.gmail.com>

*That is because your (and most) web servers cycles child processes*

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Hussain Bohra <hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am using Django and Lighttpd Webserver, for one of our tool.
> I am initializing one variable as a global at the top of file and updating
> the same on some particular function call. What I am observing is it works
> fine for some time but after some time variable defined on the top get
> reinitialized but happening with random pattern of time-- (can be confirmed
> from the log message), I guess complete module is getting loaded again
>
> I was facing the same problem in Django Development server also, but I am
> able to come across the same using '--noreload' option, python manage.py
> runserver --noreload, and updation of my variable is working properly
>
> but i cant able to find any thing similar for runfcgi, python manage.py
> runfcgi daemonize=true.
>
> Any one do let me know, what can be done to avoid reinitialize of a source
> file (i.e. once get loaded in a memory, should not be updated until web
> server restarts), I tried removing py file and start server with .pyc files,
> then also same problem is coming.
>
> Thankx in advance
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Hussain Bohra
>
> ------------------------------
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From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 10:39:29 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:09:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django + Lighttpd + Global Variables are getting
	initalized frequently
In-Reply-To: <6305ec600902040125s185bea5l3872c964ab04d833@mail.gmail.com>
References: <430691.72781.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<6305ec600902040125s185bea5l3872c964ab04d833@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6305ec600902040139h5502fd62k5c9e91ce826c5126@mail.gmail.com>

I was facing the same problem in Django Development server also, but I am
able to come across the same using '--noreload' option, python manage.py
runserver --noreload, and updation of my variable is working properly

>>I was facing the same problem in Django Development server also, but I am
able to come across the same using '--noreload' option, python manage.py
runserver --noreload, and updation of my variable is working properly

thats because it's one process serving one application to one person, in
production, thats no feasible.

You do not resolve it. to be in that situation you must be doing some thing
wrong. if you wanna store state, store in cache.

Thanks

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Praveen Kumar <
praveen.python.plone at gmail.com> wrote:

> *That is because your (and most) web servers cycles child processes*
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Hussain Bohra <hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am using Django and Lighttpd Webserver, for one of our tool.
>> I am initializing one variable as a global at the top of file and updating
>> the same on some particular function call. What I am observing is it works
>> fine for some time but after some time variable defined on the top get
>> reinitialized but happening with random pattern of time-- (can be confirmed
>> from the log message), I guess complete module is getting loaded again
>>
>> I was facing the same problem in Django Development server also, but I am
>> able to come across the same using '--noreload' option, python manage.py
>> runserver --noreload, and updation of my variable is working properly
>>
>> but i cant able to find any thing similar for runfcgi, python manage.py
>> runfcgi daemonize=true.
>>
>> Any one do let me know, what can be done to avoid reinitialize of a source
>> file (i.e. once get loaded in a memory, should not be updated until web
>> server restarts), I tried removing py file and start server with .pyc files,
>> then also same problem is coming.
>>
>> Thankx in advance
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>> Hussain Bohra
>>
>> ------------------------------
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From hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 15:37:51 2009
From: hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com (Hussain Bohra)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 06:37:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Django +lightpd
References: <6305ec600902040155t1800c342pa600ddaa352c8f33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <681508.49363.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,

Thanks for your valuable advice.
This can be done using caching. But can be work out only with DB or File Caching ... Local Memory Caching will not work out ... as again it will face a same problem.

 
Thanks and Regards,
Hussain Bohra
Tavant Technologies,
Bangalore-95
mail-to:hussain.bohra at tavant.com
mobile : +91 99867 95727





________________________________
From: Praveen Kumar <praveen.python.plone at gmail.com>
To: hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, 4 February, 2009 3:25:33 PM
Subject: Django +lightpd


you should not assume your application server will never re-instantiate, cycling process is just the natural.. i guess you can always limit your web-server to one process but thats bad

as you wrote
>>I was facing the same problem in Django Development server also, but I am able to come across the same using '--noreload' option, python manage.py runserver --noreload, and updation of my variable is working properly
thats because it's one process serving one application to one person, in production, thats no feasible
you don't resolve it, to be in that situation you must be doing something wrong. If you wana store state, store it in cache.
Thanks
Praveen kumar
Bangalore
+91 9739854134
+91 9343297314


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From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 05:05:45 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:35:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django +lightpd
In-Reply-To: <681508.49363.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <6305ec600902040155t1800c342pa600ddaa352c8f33@mail.gmail.com>
	<681508.49363.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6305ec600902042005v5326b6f8h7c5dde071a171a02@mail.gmail.com>

* yeah that won't really work, for it to work you would only be able to
handle 1 request at a time**
**  I guess using a DB cache would be acceptable, you could always set up a
simple model that just stores key value pairs.**
*

*  that should be fine.*

*Thanks*

Praveen Kumar

Mahit Infotech Pvt. Ltd.

Bangalore.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Hussain Bohra <hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for your valuable advice.
> This can be done using caching. But can be work out only with DB or File
> Caching ... Local Memory Caching will not work out ... as again it will face
> a same problem.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Hussain Bohra
> Tavant Technologies,
> Bangalore-95
> mail-to:hussain.bohra at tavant.com
> mobile : +91 99867 95727
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Praveen Kumar <praveen.python.plone at gmail.com>
> *To:* hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 February, 2009 3:25:33 PM
> *Subject:* Django +lightpd
>
> *you should not assume your application server will never re-instantiate,
> cycling process is just the natural.. i guess you can always limit your
> web-server to one process but thats bad*
>
> as you wrote
>
> >>I was facing the same problem in Django Development server also, but I am
> able to come across the same using '--noreload' option, python manage.py
> runserver --noreload, and updation of my variable is working properly
>
> *tha**ts because it's one process serving one application to one person,
> in production, thats no feasible*
>
> *you don't resolve it, to be in that situation you must be doing something
> wrong. If you wana store state, store it in cache.*
>
> *Thanks*
>
> *Praveen kumar*
>
> *Bangalore*
>
> *+91 9739854134*
>
> *+91 9343297314*
>
> ------------------------------
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Feb  5 05:12:49 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:42:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django +lightpd
In-Reply-To: <6305ec600902042005v5326b6f8h7c5dde071a171a02@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <200902050942.49696.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Thursday 05 Feb 2009 9:35:45 am Praveen Kumar wrote:
> * yeah that won't really work, for it to work you would only be able to
> handle 1 request at a time**
> ** ?I guess using a DB cache would be acceptable, you could always set up a
> simple model that just stores key value pairs.**

why am I seeing stars?

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 07:22:34 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:52:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Off-topic]  Django +lightpd
In-Reply-To: <200902050942.49696.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <6305ec600902040155t1800c342pa600ddaa352c8f33@mail.gmail.com>
	<681508.49363.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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	<200902050942.49696.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> why am I seeing stars?

That is because, you are either using mutt, elmo, pico or a mail
client with text only output and it is automatically converting the
html bold to text within stars.

-- 
Senthil

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 14:44:42 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:14:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Welcoming Sam Ockman
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902060544m6d8ab79eg3b5a2e9476431e09@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

           Sam Ockman is a Linux luminary, visionary and entrepreneur
in the Silicon valley.  Sam founded Penguin computing in 1998, a
company which pioneered in reliable Linux systems.

           Sam also co-wrote and edited the seminal open source book
"Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution", published
in 1999 by O'Reilly.  Sam has also edited books on Unix and Perl in his
previous life.

          In his current life however, Sam is hooked to Python and is
working on a new vertical search engine at https://www.1000corks.com,
which is entirely built using Python (Turbogears). Sam says that he
"switched from Perl to Python three years ago". :)

           Sam keeps learning a new aspect of Python everyday (more
like every night actually). He thinks that joining our group will be a lot
of "fun". Let us prove him right :)

         A very warm welcome to Sam Ockman to BangPypers!

Regards,

-- 
-Anand

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 14:58:46 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:28:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Welcoming Sam Ockman
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902060544m6d8ab79eg3b5a2e9476431e09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902060544m6d8ab79eg3b5a2e9476431e09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547db2260902060558k7a3ed1c0i965dc3c7f99839ea@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
>           Sam Ockman is a Linux luminary, visionary and entrepreneur
> in the Silicon valley.  Sam founded Penguin computing in 1998, a
> company which pioneered in reliable Linux systems.
>
>           Sam also co-wrote and edited the seminal open source book
> "Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution", published
> in 1999 by O'Reilly.  Sam has also edited books on Unix and Perl in his
> previous life.
>
>          In his current life however, Sam is hooked to Python and is
> working on a new vertical search engine at https://www.1000corks.com,
> which is entirely built using Python (Turbogears). Sam says that he
> "switched from Perl to Python three years ago". :)
>
>           Sam keeps learning a new aspect of Python everyday (more
> like every night actually). He thinks that joining our group will be a lot
> of "fun". Let us prove him right :)
>
>         A very warm welcome to Sam Ockman to BangPypers!

A very warm welcome, Sam :-)

Best,
Amit

>
> Regards,
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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>



-- 
Amit Kumar Saha
http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

From samslists at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 15:09:15 2009
From: samslists at gmail.com (Sam's Lists)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 06:09:15 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Welcoming Sam Ockman
In-Reply-To: <547db2260902060558k7a3ed1c0i965dc3c7f99839ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902060544m6d8ab79eg3b5a2e9476431e09@mail.gmail.com>
	<547db2260902060558k7a3ed1c0i965dc3c7f99839ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <558124520902060609x28956387i88b719eb03972e58@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you!

Anand and I have been discussing Python and web crawlers for the past few
years.  He's been incredibly helpful and he speaks very highly of this
group.

I look forward to the discussions.

-Sam
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> >           Sam Ockman is a Linux luminary, visionary and entrepreneur
> > in the Silicon valley.  Sam founded Penguin computing in 1998, a
> > company which pioneered in reliable Linux systems.
> >
> >           Sam also co-wrote and edited the seminal open source book
> > "Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution", published
> > in 1999 by O'Reilly.  Sam has also edited books on Unix and Perl in his
> > previous life.
> >
> >          In his current life however, Sam is hooked to Python and is
> > working on a new vertical search engine at https://www.1000corks.com,
> > which is entirely built using Python (Turbogears). Sam says that he
> > "switched from Perl to Python three years ago". :)
> >
> >           Sam keeps learning a new aspect of Python everyday (more
> > like every night actually). He thinks that joining our group will be a
> lot
> > of "fun". Let us prove him right :)
> >
> >         A very warm welcome to Sam Ockman to BangPypers!
>
> A very warm welcome, Sam :-)
>
> Best,
> Amit
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > -Anand
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Amit Kumar Saha
> http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
> http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
> *Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 07:39:46 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:09:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Comprehending the comprehensions
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902082239y2b0de5a6nc871e9756b5958dd@mail.gmail.com>

Python 3.0 introduces two new ways of "comprehending".

We had list comprehensions before. Now there are set &
dict comprehensions in the language.

Let us say there are two lists. For generating the list of unique
products of numbers in the list, in Python 2.x, this could be
done in 2 approaches.

1. Using a set,

>>> l=[1,2,3,4]
>>> m=[3,4,5,6]
>>> set([x*y for x in l for y in m])
{3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24}

2. Using a dictionary and inserting the values as keys,

>>> l=[1,2,3,4]
>>> m=[3,4,5,6]
>>> d = {}
>>> [d.setdefault(x*y, 0) for x in l for y in m]
>>> d.keys()
[3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24]
>>>

In Python 3.0, this is straight-forward using "set comprehensions".
Set comprehensions are like list comprehensions but with braces replacing
the square brackets. And they produce sets, not lists.

So the approach (1) in py3k is a one-liner.

>>> {x*y for x in l for y in m}
{3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24}

The approach (2) is also possible, since we now have "dict comprehensions"
too! Which means you can build a dict in place without having to define one
before and using 'setdefault' etc.

>>> d={x*y:0 for x in l for y in m}
>>> list(d.keys())
[3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24]

Note that the (list(d.keys)) is needed in Py3k since d.keys() no longer
return a list as it used to in Py 2.x, but instead returns a generator.

Regards,

--Anand




-- 
-Anand

From tomanishkb at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 11:55:39 2009
From: tomanishkb at gmail.com (M Kumar)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:25:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Looking for python Job
Message-ID: <783b47270902090255t9b10a2dx695f578ed039e006@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

I am looking for python openings, I have 2 years experience in python
programming. If anyone come to know about any suitable openings kindly let
me know

-- 
Regards,

Maneesh KB

Comat Technologies

Bangalore

Mob: 9740-192309



We work with the underprivileged and in rural India. If you are interested
to be a part of it, please mail or call me. I will be happy to share and
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From tomanishkb at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 12:43:28 2009
From: tomanishkb at gmail.com (Maneesh Kumar B)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 03:43:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python companies
Message-ID: <21910396.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,
I am also looking for a python job now. Currently I am working for Comat
Technologies pvt. ltd. Who have time and consideration can help me out in
getting the proper contacts.


Sanjaya Kumar Patel wrote:
> 
> 
> Bhubaneswar: RAD Solutions Private Limited (http://www.radsolutions.co.in)
> 
>> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:54:15 +0530
>> From: leela.vadlamudi at gmail.com
>> To: bangpypers at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python companies
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> My search for a suitable python job has ended successfully. Thanks for
>> all who have helped me in that. Here is the list of companies that use
>> python which I came across in my search (in no particular order).
>> 
>> Bangalore:
>> 
>> Hidden reflex
>> Comat technologies
>> Zeomega
>> Mahiti
>> PiCorp
>> Gamecurry, games2win (main branch in Mumbai)
>> Tachyon technologies
>> 
>> Chennai:
>> 
>> Global analytics India pvt Ltd
>> Uniphore
>> Vikaza Inc
>> 
>> Hyderabad:
>> 
>> Synovel Software Technologies Pvt. Ltd
>> 
>> 
>> People may add to this list and hope it will have some use.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Leela
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 12:45:00 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:15:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python companies
In-Reply-To: <21910396.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <21910396.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902090345g5085db7dl29efb00fe6083fc@mail.gmail.com>

This topic has been discussed many times in the group. Please see
the group archives before posting any fresh thread.

I suggest searching the mailman archives for the word "job"
or "company".

--Anand

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Maneesh Kumar B <tomanishkb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I am also looking for a python job now. Currently I am working for Comat
> Technologies pvt. ltd. Who have time and consideration can help me out in
> getting the proper contacts.
>
>


-- 
-Anand

From chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 13:25:56 2009
From: chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com (Chetan Nichkawde)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:55:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Are comprehensions faster?
Message-ID: <c6b653c60902090425i100c8d88ybde1fbb133b5f07b@mail.gmail.com>

Are comprehensions (list, dict, set) supposed to run faster than regular
approach?

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> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:09:46 +0530
> From: Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>
> Subject: [BangPypers] Comprehending the comprehensions
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
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>
> Python 3.0 introduces two new ways of "comprehending".
>
> We had list comprehensions before. Now there are set &
> dict comprehensions in the language.
>
> Let us say there are two lists. For generating the list of unique
> products of numbers in the list, in Python 2.x, this could be
> done in 2 approaches.
>
> 1. Using a set,
>
> >>> l=[1,2,3,4]
> >>> m=[3,4,5,6]
> >>> set([x*y for x in l for y in m])
> {3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24}
>
> 2. Using a dictionary and inserting the values as keys,
>
> >>> l=[1,2,3,4]
> >>> m=[3,4,5,6]
> >>> d = {}
> >>> [d.setdefault(x*y, 0) for x in l for y in m]
> >>> d.keys()
> [3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24]
> >>>
>
> In Python 3.0, this is straight-forward using "set comprehensions".
> Set comprehensions are like list comprehensions but with braces replacing
> the square brackets. And they produce sets, not lists.
>
> So the approach (1) in py3k is a one-liner.
>
> >>> {x*y for x in l for y in m}
> {3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24}
>
> The approach (2) is also possible, since we now have "dict comprehensions"
> too! Which means you can build a dict in place without having to define one
> before and using 'setdefault' etc.
>
> >>> d={x*y:0 for x in l for y in m}
> >>> list(d.keys())
> [3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24]
>
> Note that the (list(d.keys)) is needed in Py3k since d.keys() no longer
> return a list as it used to in Py 2.x, but instead returns a generator.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> --
> -Anand
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:25:39 +0530
> From: M Kumar <tomanishkb at gmail.com>
> Subject: [BangPypers] Looking for python Job
> To: bangpypers at python.org
> Message-ID:
>        <783b47270902090255t9b10a2dx695f578ed039e006 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi all
>
> I am looking for python openings, I have 2 years experience in python
> programming. If anyone come to know about any suitable openings kindly let
> me know
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Maneesh KB
>
> Comat Technologies
>
> Bangalore
>
> Mob: 9740-192309
>
>
>
> We work with the underprivileged and in rural India. If you are interested
> to be a part of it, please mail or call me. I will be happy to share and
> inform - http://www.comat.com
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From urskarthiksp at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 14:24:54 2009
From: urskarthiksp at gmail.com (SP Karthik)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:54:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python companies
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902090345g5085db7dl29efb00fe6083fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21910396.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<8548c5f30902090345g5085db7dl29efb00fe6083fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e01a9a4a0902090524l56510786g36196cba462e1384@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends,

Moog Inc (Aircraft Group) is looking for Python professionals for their test
equipment team. Job Profile is as follows:

Job Profile :

Good knowledge of Python scripting ( 2- 8 years)
Exposure to validation and verification procedure.
Exposure to Aircraft concepts shall be an added advantage
Exposure to LabVIEW shall be an added advantage.
Exposure to Card Level Testing shall be an added advantage.
Interested people can send resumes to mail ID india_te_design at moog.com with
"*TE_Python*" in the mail's subject.

For details about company, visit *www.moog.com* <http://www.moog.com/>
-- 
Karthik SP
Senior Test Engineer

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> This topic has been discussed many times in the group. Please see
> the group archives before posting any fresh thread.
>
> I suggest searching the mailman archives for the word "job"
> or "company".
>
> --Anand
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Maneesh Kumar B <tomanishkb at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I am also looking for a python job now. Currently I am working for Comat
> > Technologies pvt. ltd. Who have time and consideration can help me out in
> > getting the proper contacts.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> -Anand
>  _______________________________________________
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 14:36:57 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:06:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Are comprehensions faster?
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Chetan Nichkawde
<chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are comprehensions (list, dict, set) supposed to run faster than regular
> approach?

Thats quite an interesting question, which led me to do some research
and discussions/

Lets do some benchmarking:

# using list comprehension:

>>> import timeit
>>> timeit.Timer("[i for i in range(1000)]").timeit(number=1000)
0.10951399803161621

 # What is the equivalent of the above in regular way? Frankly, you
wont find any. Either you will find use of methods or using functions
or lambdas.

# Lets use a regular function

>>> timeit.Timer("for i in range(1000): l.append(i)","l=[]").timeit(number=1000)
0.21927285194396973

You see that is slow and the reason is  l.append being called again
and again. lets eliminate it.

>>> timeit.Timer("for i in range(1000): func(i)","l=[];func=l.append").timeit(number=1000)
0.12902617454528809
>>>

# Lets use map do the operation.

>>> timeit.Timer("map(func,range(1000))","l=[];func=l.append").timeit(number=1000)
0.12405300140380859
>>>

The Best Article I found explaining List Comprehension and performance is this:
http://www.sacredchao.net/~piman/writing/listcomp.shtml

Pay attention to the Optimization section.

The answer for your question is, "List Comprehension is faster than
regular way. when it is just that" but for all practical purposes
where some method lookups and assignments would be involved, it would
hardly matter in terms of speed for LC vs regular way. However, the
map, filter way of doing seems faster than List Comprehension.

But we got agree that List Comprehension is a neat way of doing things.

-- 
Senthil

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 14:41:12 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:11:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Are comprehensions faster?
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902090536g6b9255d7h995f8102e9aaf8a3@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> timeit.Timer("for i in range(1000): l.append(i)","l=[]").timeit(number=1000)
> 0.21927285194396973
>
> You see that is slow and the reason is  l.append being called again
> and again. lets eliminate it.

Sorry, it is slow because the append method "Look-up" on the list
object is done again and again.

Read further. Rest of my explanation is okay.



-- 
Senthil

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 15:16:05 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:46:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Are comprehensions faster?
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902090541j43739ca7w27c92dad1583f41@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > You see that is slow and the reason is  l.append being called again
> > and again. lets eliminate it.
>
> Sorry, it is slow because the append method "Look-up" on the list
> object is done again and again.
>

Both LC and For-loops generate the same bytecodes!

-V-
http://twitter.com/venkat83
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 15:37:51 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:07:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Are comprehensions faster?
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > You see that is slow and the reason is  l.append being called again
>> > and again. lets eliminate it.
>>
>> Sorry, it is slow because the append method "Look-up" on the list
>> object is done again and again.
>
> Both LC and For-loops generate the same bytecodes!

More than any performance increase, comprehensions are a much
neater and Pythonic way of doing things. A list comprehension for
any non-trivial work will often perform much better than a similar
map/reduce/lambda solution because it is optimized to produce
lists.

# List comp version of squaring the list
>>> timeit.Timer("l=range(1000);[x*x for x in l]").timeit(number=10000)
1.8384392261505127
# Map version with lambda
>>> timeit.Timer("l=range(1000);map(lambda x:x*x, l)").timeit(number=10000)
3.2186849117279053

Part of this is because function calls are one of the costliest of
Python operations. List comps often inline the code of function calls
in an expression, which reduces the cost.

You can use it as a rule of thumb to decide whether to
choose a list comp or an equivalent functional solution (map, filter or a
regular function) - i.e if the function can be inlined in a list comprehension
by removing all function calls into an expression, the list comp will
be faster 99% of the time. However if every function can't be inlined,
then the list comp might be not as fast or even slower, so it requires
testing to choose the solution.

And if you are operating on large lists and memory is an issue,
*never* use list comps since they are "greedy" and produce the list
in one shot. In that case go for an equivalent generator expression
or generator function.

>
> -V-
> http://twitter.com/venkat83
>
>
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From urskarthiksp at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 06:37:10 2009
From: urskarthiksp at gmail.com (SP Karthik)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:07:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Job Opening Profile
Message-ID: <e01a9a4a0902092137y76b60b10h96376f476cadca81@mail.gmail.com>

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From nagappan at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 07:46:39 2009
From: nagappan at gmail.com (Nagappan A)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:46:39 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Announce: Linux Desktop Testing Project (LDTP) 1.5.0
	released
Message-ID: <9d0602eb0902092246j5c230c19r222bfc8a9bc401fc@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,
  We are proud to announce the release of LDTP 1.5.0. This release features
number of important breakthroughs in LDTP as well as in the field of Test
Automation. This release note covers a brief introduction on LDTP followed
by the list of new features and major bug fixes which makes this new version
of LDTP the best of the breed. Useful references have been included at the
end of this article for those who wish to hack / use LDTP.

About LDTP:

Linux Desktop Testing Project is aimed at producing high quality test
automation framework (C / Python) and cutting-edge tools that can be used to
test Linux Desktop and improve it. It uses the Accessibility libraries to
poke through the application's user interface. The framework also has tools
to record test-cases based on user events in the interface of the
application which is under testing. We strive to help in building a quality
desktop.

Whats new in this release:

Log all failures and take screenshot on each failure - b.g.o # 567589
Create default log file in /tmp/ldtp-$USER
Screenshot using pygtk, instead of ImageMagick import, when possible
Added new api - appundertest

Bug fixes:

b.g.o # 566048
bugs.fd.o # 19813

Special thanks to Ara Pulido <ara at ubuntu.com> and others as well:

Sandro MILLIEN <msp at lloedy.com>
Lijun Huang <huanglijun.3 at gmail.com>
Guofu Xu  <Guofu.Xu at access-company.com>
Nathan Samson <nathansamson at gmail.com>

Download source tarball -
http://download.freedesktop.org/ldtp/1.x/1.5.x/ldtp-1.5.0.tar.gz
Binary (openSUSE / Ubuntu / Fedora / Debian / RHEL / CentOS / Mandriva) -
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/anagappan/ (Just scheduled
in openSUSE build service, might take time to complete depending upon server
load)

LDTP news:

GNOME Desktop Testing Project uses LDTP -
http://live.gnome.org/DesktopTesting
Automated Tests For Anjuta - https://launchpad.net/atfa

References:

For detailed information on LDTP framework and latest updates visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org

For information on various APIs in LDTP including those added for this
release can be got from http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/user-doc/index.html

To subscribe to LDTP mailing lists, visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Mailing_20list

IRC Channel - #ldtp on irc.freenode.net

Thanks
Nagappan

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From rajeev1204 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 11:16:29 2009
From: rajeev1204 at gmail.com (Rajeev Nair)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:46:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
Message-ID: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>

hi.

Iam sure many here will be aware of easter eggs in python.

For starters here is one.At the prompt type  import this

>>> import this
The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters

Beautiful is better than ugly.
Explicit is better than implicit.
Simple is better than complex.
Complex is better than complicated.
Flat is better than nested.
Sparse is better than dense.
Readability counts.
Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
Although practicality beats purity.
Errors should never pass silently.
Unless explicitly silenced.
In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
Now is better than never.
Although never is often better than *right* now.
If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!
>>>


Have fun.


rajeev.
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From jeff at taupro.com  Tue Feb 10 13:47:10 2009
From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:47:10 -0600
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
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Here is another...

>>> from __future__ import braces
  File "<stdin>", line 1
SyntaxError: not a chance


Can you find any others? ;-)

-Jeff


Rajeev Nair wrote:
> 
> hi.
> 
> Iam sure many here will be aware of easter eggs in python.
> 
> For starters here is one.At the prompt type  import this
> 
>>>> import this
> The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
> 
> Beautiful is better than ugly.
> Explicit is better than implicit.
> Simple is better than complex.
> Complex is better than complicated.
> Flat is better than nested.
> Sparse is better than dense.
> Readability counts.
> Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
> Although practicality beats purity.
> Errors should never pass silently.
> Unless explicitly silenced.
> In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
> There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
> Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
> Now is better than never.
> Although never is often better than *right* now.
> If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
> If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
> Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 14:08:41 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:38:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
In-Reply-To: <4991774E.8030706@taupro.com>
References: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>
	<4991774E.8030706@taupro.com>
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>>> import __phello__
Hello world...
>>>


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:
> Here is another...
>
>>>> from __future__ import braces
>  File "<stdin>", line 1
> SyntaxError: not a chance
>
>
> Can you find any others? ;-)
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> Rajeev Nair wrote:
>>
>> hi.
>>
>> Iam sure many here will be aware of easter eggs in python.
>>
>> For starters here is one.At the prompt type  import this
>>
>>>>> import this
>> The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
>>
>> Beautiful is better than ugly.
>> Explicit is better than implicit.
>> Simple is better than complex.
>> Complex is better than complicated.
>> Flat is better than nested.
>> Sparse is better than dense.
>> Readability counts.
>> Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
>> Although practicality beats purity.
>> Errors should never pass silently.
>> Unless explicitly silenced.
>> In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
>> There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
>> Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
>> Now is better than never.
>> Although never is often better than *right* now.
>> If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
>> If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
>> Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
-Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 14:09:26 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:39:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902100508h52c6d76apdf4b86e8c7b4f90b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> import __phello__
> Hello world...

Apparently, happens only the first time you import it ;)

>>>>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:
>> Here is another...
>>
>>>>> from __future__ import braces
>>  File "<stdin>", line 1
>> SyntaxError: not a chance
>>
>>
>> Can you find any others? ;-)
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>> Rajeev Nair wrote:
>>>
>>> hi.
>>>
>>> Iam sure many here will be aware of easter eggs in python.
>>>
>>> For starters here is one.At the prompt type  import this
>>>
>>>>>> import this
>>> The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
>>>
>>> Beautiful is better than ugly.
>>> Explicit is better than implicit.
>>> Simple is better than complex.
>>> Complex is better than complicated.
>>> Flat is better than nested.
>>> Sparse is better than dense.
>>> Readability counts.
>>> Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
>>> Although practicality beats purity.
>>> Errors should never pass silently.
>>> Unless explicitly silenced.
>>> In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
>>> There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
>>> Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
>>> Now is better than never.
>>> Although never is often better than *right* now.
>>> If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
>>> If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
>>> Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -Anand
>



-- 
-Anand

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 14:11:40 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:41:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902100509m64eb16d9j554fe151f6879525@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>
	<4991774E.8030706@taupro.com>
	<8548c5f30902100508h52c6d76apdf4b86e8c7b4f90b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100509m64eb16d9j554fe151f6879525@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902100511v64c790eg26411dd28db4c68@mail.gmail.com>

In Py3K,

>>> import antigravity

That was Skip, who did that! :)

-- 
Senthil


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> import __phello__
>> Hello world...
>
> Apparently, happens only the first time you import it ;)
>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:
>>> Here is another...
>>>
>>>>>> from __future__ import braces
>>>  File "<stdin>", line 1
>>> SyntaxError: not a chance
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you find any others? ;-)
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> Rajeev Nair wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hi.
>>>>
>>>> Iam sure many here will be aware of easter eggs in python.
>>>>
>>>> For starters here is one.At the prompt type  import this
>>>>
>>>>>>> import this
>>>> The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
>>>>
>>>> Beautiful is better than ugly.
>>>> Explicit is better than implicit.
>>>> Simple is better than complex.
>>>> Complex is better than complicated.
>>>> Flat is better than nested.
>>>> Sparse is better than dense.
>>>> Readability counts.
>>>> Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
>>>> Although practicality beats purity.
>>>> Errors should never pass silently.
>>>> Unless explicitly silenced.
>>>> In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
>>>> There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
>>>> Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
>>>> Now is better than never.
>>>> Although never is often better than *right* now.
>>>> If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
>>>> If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
>>>> Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Anand
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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Senthil

From rmathews at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 14:11:55 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:41:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902100509m64eb16d9j554fe151f6879525@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>
	<4991774E.8030706@taupro.com>
	<8548c5f30902100508h52c6d76apdf4b86e8c7b4f90b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100509m64eb16d9j554fe151f6879525@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780902100511o463b7cdet10add436608fbcc9@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> import __phello__
>> Hello world...
>
> Apparently, happens only the first time you import it ;)
>

>>> import __phello__
Hello world...
>>> reload(__phello__)
Hello world...
<module '__phello__' from '<frozen>'>

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 14:18:40 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:48:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902100511v64c790eg26411dd28db4c68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>
	<4991774E.8030706@taupro.com>
	<8548c5f30902100508h52c6d76apdf4b86e8c7b4f90b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100509m64eb16d9j554fe151f6879525@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100511v64c790eg26411dd28db4c68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902100518p5bc5dea9x818c07c463771291@mail.gmail.com>

Well, my favorite is not just import this but

>>>import this
>>>print this.s

-- 
Senthil

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> In Py3K,
>
>>>> import antigravity
>
> That was Skip, who did that! :)
>
> --
> Senthil
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> import __phello__
>>> Hello world...
>>
>> Apparently, happens only the first time you import it ;)
>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:
>>>> Here is another...
>>>>
>>>>>>> from __future__ import braces
>>>>  File "<stdin>", line 1
>>>> SyntaxError: not a chance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you find any others? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> -Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rajeev Nair wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Iam sure many here will be aware of easter eggs in python.
>>>>>
>>>>> For starters here is one.At the prompt type  import this
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> import this
>>>>> The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
>>>>>
>>>>> Beautiful is better than ugly.
>>>>> Explicit is better than implicit.
>>>>> Simple is better than complex.
>>>>> Complex is better than complicated.
>>>>> Flat is better than nested.
>>>>> Sparse is better than dense.
>>>>> Readability counts.
>>>>> Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
>>>>> Although practicality beats purity.
>>>>> Errors should never pass silently.
>>>>> Unless explicitly silenced.
>>>>> In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
>>>>> There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
>>>>> Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
>>>>> Now is better than never.
>>>>> Although never is often better than *right* now.
>>>>> If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
>>>>> If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
>>>>> Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Anand
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Anand
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Senthil
>



-- 
-- 
Senthil

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Tue Feb 10 14:23:37 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:23:37 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902100518p5bc5dea9x818c07c463771291@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>
	<4991774E.8030706@taupro.com>
	<8548c5f30902100508h52c6d76apdf4b86e8c7b4f90b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100509m64eb16d9j554fe151f6879525@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100511v64c790eg26411dd28db4c68@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100518p5bc5dea9x818c07c463771291@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70902100523t2d6f9a65p1779f81653dccc34@mail.gmail.com>

That's rot13 print of `import this`.
However, the programmer has chosen to use a lookup table `print
this.d` instead of a rot13() fn.
I wonder why.
+PG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, my favorite is not just import this but
>
>>>>import this
>>>>print this.s
>
> --
> Senthil
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
>> In Py3K,
>>
>>>>> import antigravity
>>
>> That was Skip, who did that! :)
>>
>> --
>> Senthil
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> import __phello__
>>>> Hello world...
>>>
>>> Apparently, happens only the first time you import it ;)
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:
>>>>> Here is another...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from __future__ import braces
>>>>>  File "<stdin>", line 1
>>>>> SyntaxError: not a chance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you find any others? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rajeev Nair wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Iam sure many here will be aware of easter eggs in python.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For starters here is one.At the prompt type  import this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> import this
>>>>>> The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beautiful is better than ugly.
>>>>>> Explicit is better than implicit.
>>>>>> Simple is better than complex.
>>>>>> Complex is better than complicated.
>>>>>> Flat is better than nested.
>>>>>> Sparse is better than dense.
>>>>>> Readability counts.
>>>>>> Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
>>>>>> Although practicality beats purity.
>>>>>> Errors should never pass silently.
>>>>>> Unless explicitly silenced.
>>>>>> In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
>>>>>> There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
>>>>>> Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
>>>>>> Now is better than never.
>>>>>> Although never is often better than *right* now.
>>>>>> If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
>>>>>> If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
>>>>>> Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -Anand
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Anand
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Senthil
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 14:24:03 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:54:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902100518p5bc5dea9x818c07c463771291@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>
	<4991774E.8030706@taupro.com>
	<8548c5f30902100508h52c6d76apdf4b86e8c7b4f90b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100509m64eb16d9j554fe151f6879525@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100511v64c790eg26411dd28db4c68@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100518p5bc5dea9x818c07c463771291@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902100524g5c86bd33i778e0d9f042046e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, my favorite is not just import this but
>
>>>>import this
>>>>print this.s

If you inspect the this module, you can see that
the Zen is rot13-ed and stored in "s" attribute.

Interestingly, when he prints it he does not use
the 'rot13' method of str objects. But instead does
it using custom code and a list comprehension!

If anyone had a doubt whether to use list comprehension
in their code, they have the answer - it is right there
as part of the Zen of Python ...:)

>
> --
> Senthil
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
>> In Py3K,
>>
>>>>> import antigravity
>>
>> That was Skip, who did that! :)
>>
>> --
>> Senthil
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> import __phello__
>>>> Hello world...
>>>
>>> Apparently, happens only the first time you import it ;)
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote:
>>>>> Here is another...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from __future__ import braces
>>>>>  File "<stdin>", line 1
>>>>> SyntaxError: not a chance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you find any others? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rajeev Nair wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Iam sure many here will be aware of easter eggs in python.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For starters here is one.At the prompt type  import this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> import this
>>>>>> The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beautiful is better than ugly.
>>>>>> Explicit is better than implicit.
>>>>>> Simple is better than complex.
>>>>>> Complex is better than complicated.
>>>>>> Flat is better than nested.
>>>>>> Sparse is better than dense.
>>>>>> Readability counts.
>>>>>> Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
>>>>>> Although practicality beats purity.
>>>>>> Errors should never pass silently.
>>>>>> Unless explicitly silenced.
>>>>>> In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
>>>>>> There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
>>>>>> Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch.
>>>>>> Now is better than never.
>>>>>> Although never is often better than *right* now.
>>>>>> If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
>>>>>> If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
>>>>>> Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -Anand
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Anand
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Senthil
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
-Anand

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 14:30:12 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:00:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902100524g5c86bd33i778e0d9f042046e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>
	<4991774E.8030706@taupro.com>
	<8548c5f30902100508h52c6d76apdf4b86e8c7b4f90b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100509m64eb16d9j554fe151f6879525@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100511v64c790eg26411dd28db4c68@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100518p5bc5dea9x818c07c463771291@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100524g5c86bd33i778e0d9f042046e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902100530g376921ddh98f13bf0d1c56052@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone had a doubt whether to use list comprehension
> in their code, they have the answer - it is right there
> as part of the Zen of Python ...:)

Thats a good way of looking at things. :)


-- 
-- 
Senthil

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 14:37:37 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:07:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902100530g376921ddh98f13bf0d1c56052@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>
	<4991774E.8030706@taupro.com>
	<8548c5f30902100508h52c6d76apdf4b86e8c7b4f90b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100509m64eb16d9j554fe151f6879525@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100511v64c790eg26411dd28db4c68@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100518p5bc5dea9x818c07c463771291@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100524g5c86bd33i778e0d9f042046e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100530g376921ddh98f13bf0d1c56052@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902100537s6b7dd41coda0ba22140f1066a@mail.gmail.com>

This is not an easter egg, but a joke using the Zen.

    >>> import this
    ...
    >>> love = this
    >>> this is love
    True
    >>> love is True
    False
    >>> love is False
    False
    >>> love is not True or False
    True
    >>> love is not True or False; love is love
    True
    True

Hopefully, an apt one for the Valentine's day.

Source: http://www.redmountainsw.com/wordpress/archives/a-joke-in-the-python-interpreter

--Anand

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If anyone had a doubt whether to use list comprehension
>> in their code, they have the answer - it is right there
>> as part of the Zen of Python ...:)
>
> Thats a good way of looking at things. :)
>
>
> --
> --
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
-Anand

From rmathews at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 19:10:45 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:40:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python easter eggs :)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902100537s6b7dd41coda0ba22140f1066a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <eec116310902100216w631a58dft44c80c1057e92465@mail.gmail.com>
	<4991774E.8030706@taupro.com>
	<8548c5f30902100508h52c6d76apdf4b86e8c7b4f90b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100509m64eb16d9j554fe151f6879525@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100511v64c790eg26411dd28db4c68@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100518p5bc5dea9x818c07c463771291@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100524g5c86bd33i778e0d9f042046e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902100530g376921ddh98f13bf0d1c56052@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902100537s6b7dd41coda0ba22140f1066a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780902101010n516bd200k9673e0bb3797023c@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>    >>> import this
>    ...
>    >>> love = this
>    >>> this is love
>    True
>    >>> love is True
>    False
>    >>> love is False
>    False
>    >>> love is not True or False
>    True
>    >>> love is not True or False; love is love
>    True
>    True
>
Friggin' geeks. :D

~Roshan

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 08:58:25 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:28:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: ANN: Python 2.6 Quick Reference available
In-Reply-To: <4991cd6d$0$4771$426a34cc@news.free.fr>
References: <4991cd6d$0$4771$426a34cc@news.free.fr>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902102358k99398c5x590955c11aa308ca@mail.gmail.com>

This is an useful resource.

-- 
Senthil



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Richard Gruet <rgruetatfreedotfr at news.free.fr>
Date: Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:24 AM
Subject: ANN: Python 2.6 Quick Reference available
To: comp-lang-python-announce at moderators.isc.org


The Python 2.6 Quick Reference is available in HTML and PDF formats at
http://rgruet.free.fr/#QuickRef.

This time I was helped by Josh Stone for the update.

As usual, your feedback is welcome (pqr at rgruet.net).

Cheers,

Richard Gruet
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list

      Support the Python Software Foundation:
      http://www.python.org/psf/donations.html

From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 09:41:15 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:11:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: ANN: Python 2.6 Quick Reference available
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902102358k99398c5x590955c11aa308ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4991cd6d$0$4771$426a34cc@news.free.fr>
	<7c42eba10902102358k99398c5x590955c11aa308ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49928F2B.6000702@gmail.com>

Senthil Kumaran wrote:
> This is an useful resource.
>   
this? Was it a link or an attachment?

-- 
With Regards,

Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
http://technofreak.in


From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 09:43:26 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:13:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: ANN: Python 2.6 Quick Reference available
In-Reply-To: <49928F2B.6000702@gmail.com>
References: <4991cd6d$0$4771$426a34cc@news.free.fr>
	<7c42eba10902102358k99398c5x590955c11aa308ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<49928F2B.6000702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902110043u4588a84fm8c1a64216f6eefbf@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Parthan SR <parth.technofreak at gmail.com> wrote:

> this? Was it a link or an attachment?

The Python 2.6 Quick Reference is available in HTML and PDF formats at
http://rgruet.free.fr/#QuickRef.

-- 
Senthil

From tomanishkb at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 09:58:34 2009
From: tomanishkb at gmail.com (M Kumar)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:28:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] what is __slots__
Message-ID: <783b47270902110058s7d60249xf6c04657c5726c74@mail.gmail.com>

how __slots__ can be useful for a python programmer, those who have time and
consideration can help me out.

--
thanks
Maneesh KB
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From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 10:13:53 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:43:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] what is __slots__
In-Reply-To: <783b47270902110058s7d60249xf6c04657c5726c74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <783b47270902110058s7d60249xf6c04657c5726c74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499296D1.8020400@gmail.com>

M Kumar wrote:
> how __slots__ can be useful for a python programmer, those who have 
> time and consideration can help me out.
This reminds me of this - 
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/0f2e859b9c002b28

-- 
With Regards,

Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
http://technofreak.in


From sibteym at infotechsw.com  Wed Feb 11 10:48:22 2009
From: sibteym at infotechsw.com (Sibtey)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:18:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] what is __slots__
References: <783b47270902110058s7d60249xf6c04657c5726c74@mail.gmail.com>
	<499296D1.8020400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c98c2d$e0a18af0$5fc513ac@pwit.com>

__slots__ is generally used for the memory optimization , suppose you are 
creating the 100 objects of a class then each instance of that class contain 
the __dict__.
As you know that __dict__  holds all the attributes of a class per instance 
basis, so __slots__ is a way to avoiding the creation of a dictionary 
__dict__,
add all the attributes of a class into the __slots__ something like
class A(object):
__slots__["a1","a2",............]
    def __ini__(self):pass

Sibtey mehdi



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Parthan SR" <parth.technofreak at gmail.com>
To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] what is __slots__


>M Kumar wrote:
>> how __slots__ can be useful for a python programmer, those who have time 
>> and consideration can help me out.
> This reminds me of this - 
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/0f2e859b9c002b28
>
> -- 
> With Regards,
>
> Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
> http://technofreak.in
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers 


From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Wed Feb 11 12:04:19 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:34:19 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required
In-Reply-To: <114933.4831234350212371.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>
Message-ID: <607184447.4861234350259172.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>

Hi All,
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==========

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From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 12:41:51 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:11:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required
In-Reply-To: <607184447.4861234350259172.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>
References: <607184447.4861234350259172.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>
Message-ID: <4992B97F.20300@gmail.com>

Baiju M wrote:
> Hi All,
>        I am working in ZeOmega Infotech Pvt. Ltd., Bangalore. We are
> looking for 2 to 4 years experienced Python programmers,
> the details are given below.  If you are interested, please contact:
> bdeepa AT zeomega.com or mbaiju AT zeomega.com 
Hi,

Kindly find my resume attached with this mail :)

-- 
With Regards,

Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
http://technofreak.in

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From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 12:44:47 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:14:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required
In-Reply-To: <607184447.4861234350259172.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>
References: <607184447.4861234350259172.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>
Message-ID: <4992BA2F.4000409@gmail.com>

Oops, Sorry I didn't realize that I was sending it to the list :)
-

With Regards,

Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
http://technofreak.in


From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 13:00:54 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:30:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required
In-Reply-To: <4992BA2F.4000409@gmail.com>
References: <607184447.4861234350259172.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>
	<4992BA2F.4000409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902110400u38cb817cqfbf723bf624f0017@mail.gmail.com>

If you do a REPLY or REPLY-ALL it will go the list.

On a different note, I think email clients should be designed to
handle this behavior irrespective of what is set up by the mailling
list.

For eg, in mutt, you do 'g' to reply to the list. and 'r' to reply to
the sender only, when the standard-reply to set to sender-only.
when it is set to the list, I think both 'g' and 'r' will do the same,
but there is another way to reply to the sender-only.

I am not currently over mutt, so cannot say it accurately.

-- 
Senthil


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Parthan SR <parth.technofreak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oops, Sorry I didn't realize that I was sending it to the list :)
> -
>
> With Regards,
>
> Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
> http://technofreak.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
-- 
Senthil

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Feb 11 13:09:19 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:39:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required
In-Reply-To: <4992B97F.20300@gmail.com>
References: <607184447.4861234350259172.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>
	<4992B97F.20300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902111739.19560.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:11:51 Parthan SR wrote:
> > looking for 2 to 4 years experienced Python programmers,
> > the details are given below. ?If you are interested, please contact:
> > bdeepa AT zeomega.com or mbaiju AT zeomega.com
>
> Hi,
>
> Kindly find my resume attached with this mail :)

s/softwares/software/
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 13:19:18 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:49:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required
In-Reply-To: <200902111739.19560.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <607184447.4861234350259172.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>
	<4992B97F.20300@gmail.com> <200902111739.19560.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902110419v7f6c8fb7kd4dd09b0cb102eda@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> s/softwares/software/

E486: Pattern not found: softwares

-- 
Senthil

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Feb 11 13:24:22 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:54:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902110419v7f6c8fb7kd4dd09b0cb102eda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <607184447.4861234350259172.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>
	<200902111739.19560.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<7c42eba10902110419v7f6c8fb7kd4dd09b0cb102eda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902111754.23041.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:49:18 Senthil Kumaran wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-
kbc.org> wrote:
> > s/softwares/software/
>
> E486: Pattern not found: softwares

it is common on Indian resumes to find the word 'softwares known' 
instead of 'software known'. Software is a collective noun. Like 'sheep' or 
'people'
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 08:37:28 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:07:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>

FYI :- I should say, For Your Inspiration!


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> Chicago Python User Group
> =========================
>
> Go ChiPy! After last month's hugely successful language comparison mayhem,
> the world's most successful user group strikes again!
>
> Robots and OS Packaging, are the major topic areas.
>
> James Snyder, from Northwestern University's Biomedical Engineering
> Department, will be serializing Arduino microcontroller with Python for
> robotic pursuits. Jason Huggins, co-founder of Sauce Labs Inc and creator of
> Selenium, will follow up with a quick demo of his Arduino-based Ambient Orb
> clone, called 'orbison' (http://code.google.com/p/orbison/).
>
> For the second part, Cosmin Stejerean, software engineering and computer
> security specialist,  will cover how to package your Python package with
> tools like  py2app and py2exe.  Massimo Di Pierro, professor at DePaul CTI,
> will get some brief help porting his popular web2py Enterprise Web Framework
> to a linux package from a live audience. Let's see if it is possible in 10
> minutes!
>
> Last but not least, William Scullin, Argonne National Laboratory and cheese
> lover, will present on bcfg2, a tool written in Python for system
> administrators to fingerprint their environment and about Python, in
> general, on IBM's BlueGene /P supercompter.
>
> There will be a moment of silence in respect to Unix Timestamp 1234567890
>
> Our host for the meeting is Sully's House Tap Room & Grill.  All ages are
> welcome to this Free Private Event.  For those of age, Sully's House offer
> 20 Beers on tap, and 35 Bottles - all craft and microbrewery, specializing
> in Belgium, Irish and German selections.  Enjoy great Bar Food & Pizza from
> our Italian Oven and Daily discounted menu specials. The host has given us a
> dedicated bartender.  We will meet in the private party room on the second
> floor that is well equipped with top of the line video equipment ? 100" HD
> screen & full A/V accessibility with Rock Band & Wii. Nice big space, bring
> a friend. Thanks Sully's!!!
>
> This *will* be our best meeting yet.
>
> Topics
> ------
>
>  * Arduino + Python, James Snyder
>  * Orb demo, Jason Huggins
>  * py2app and py2exe, Cosmin Stejerean
>  * help package web2py for linux, Massimo Di Pierro
>  * IBM's BlueGene /P bcfg2, William Scullin
>
> When
> ----
>
> Thursday, February 12th, ~7pm
>
> Location
> --------
>
> Sully's House Tap Room & Grill, 1501 N. Dayton St. Chicago, Illinois 60622
>
> At the corner of Blackhawk and Dayton http://www.sullyshouse.com/
>
> (2) Blocks from the North & Clybourn Red Line stop. Free street parking
> available.
>
> About ChiPy
> -----------
>
> ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs.
> Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago.
> Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational
> efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info.
>

From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Thu Feb 12 09:06:10 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:36:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI :- I should say, For Your Inspiration!

What about arranging a BangPypers meeting ?

Here is one offer: ZeOmega can provide space and other facilities required
for meetings.  And we can provide it for all regular meetings provided
the meetings are not on weekdays.

BTW, Any one going to PyCon from here ?   I know Senthil has one tutorial
and myself also going this time :)

Regards,
Baiju M

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 09:17:11 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:47:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547db2260902120017w65b875dem610a4f66e4fee0df@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
>> FYI :- I should say, For Your Inspiration!
>
> What about arranging a BangPypers meeting ?

+ 100.

>
> Here is one offer: ZeOmega can provide space and other facilities required
> for meetings.  And we can provide it for all regular meetings provided
> the meetings are not on weekdays.
>
> BTW, Any one going to PyCon from here ?   I know Senthil has one tutorial
> and myself also going this time :)

Best,
Amit
>
> Regards,
> Baiju M
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Amit Kumar Saha
http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 09:20:46 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:50:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>

Baiju M wrote:
> What about arranging a BangPypers meeting ?
>
> Here is one offer: ZeOmega can provide space and other facilities required
> for meetings.  And we can provide it for all regular meetings provided
> the meetings are not on weekdays.
>   

Awesome. +1
Am sure not many are going to turn up if it is on weekdays ;) But 
settling a proper timings during weekend can be quite tricky :)

-- 
With Regards,

Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
http://technofreak.in


From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 09:40:06 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:10:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Parthan SR <parth.technofreak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Baiju M wrote:
>>
>> What about arranging a BangPypers meeting ?
>>
>> Here is one offer: ZeOmega can provide space and other facilities required
>> for meetings.  And we can provide it for all regular meetings provided
>> the meetings are not on weekdays.
>>
>

I was about to write a mail proposing renewal of our weekly
meetings. Kudos to Baiju for taking the initiative.

+1

> Awesome. +1
> Am sure not many are going to turn up if it is on weekdays ;) But settling a
> proper timings during weekend can be quite tricky :)

Please join in with idea, suggestions, possible dates.
I propose next Saturday, i.e 21st Feb.

>
> --
> With Regards,
>
> Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
> http://technofreak.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


Regards,

-- 
-Anand

From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Thu Feb 12 09:47:41 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:17:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Anand Balachandran <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Awesome. +1
>> Am sure not many are going to turn up if it is on weekdays ;) But settling a
>> proper timings during weekend can be quite tricky :)
>
> Please join in with idea, suggestions, possible dates.
> I propose next Saturday, i.e 21st Feb.

This date is fine for me.  I will be here next weekend.
Even if I am not here in some weekends, I can arrange space
for meetings with my colleagues here.

Regards,
Baiju M

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 09:56:51 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:26:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:
>
> This date is fine for me.  I will be here next weekend.
> Even if I am not here in some weekends, I can arrange space
> for meetings with my colleagues here.

+1 for monthly meetings.

Sadly, I wont be available on those days. But would like to join in
whenever I can.

http://freed.in is happening then and I am going there.

-- 
Senthil

From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Thu Feb 12 10:17:24 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:47:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>

Here is the contacts and other details of our office.
We have two offices near South End Circle (near Lal Bagh).

My Mobile: 9945973441
Office: 08041506684

First office:

ZeOmega Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
#20, Rajalakshmi Plaza,
2nd Floor, South End Road
Basavanagudi
Bangalore - 4

Second ffice:

ZeOmega Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
#86, Palyam House,
South End Road
Basavanagudi
Bangalore - 4

The meeting can be arranged in first office (Rajalakshmi Plaza).
We can accommodate 70+ people here.

Regards,
Baiju M

From ranganaths at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 10:20:34 2009
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:50:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>

+1 interested to attend as well..

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:

> Here is the contacts and other details of our office.
> We have two offices near South End Circle (near Lal Bagh).
>
> My Mobile: 9945973441
> Office: 08041506684
>
> First office:
>
> ZeOmega Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
> #20, Rajalakshmi Plaza,
> 2nd Floor, South End Road
> Basavanagudi
> Bangalore - 4
>
> Second ffice:
>
> ZeOmega Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
> #86, Palyam House,
> South End Road
> Basavanagudi
> Bangalore - 4
>
> The meeting can be arranged in first office (Rajalakshmi Plaza).
> We can accommodate 70+ people here.
>
> Regards,
> Baiju M
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
I blog at http://ranganaths.wordpress.com
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 14:09:02 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:39:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Good post on Twisted
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902120509s70c997f5y981f9e2860ef6993@mail.gmail.com>

Jesse Noller, author of the new multiprocessing module,
has made a rather elaborate post on Twisted in his blog.

http://jessenoller.com/2009/02/11/twisted-hello-asynchronous-programming/

Frankly, there are very few helpful articles on Twisted and the
documentation sucks. I found Jesse's article good and fluid reading.


Regards

-- 
-Anand

From shabbir at pragtech.co.in  Sat Feb 14 08:49:12 2009
From: shabbir at pragtech.co.in (Shabbir (Sohel) Merchant)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:19:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Hosting INDIA
Message-ID: <52d38fc20902132349s1219bb04n297e37ff60c14d96@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,
   I am looking for a hosting service provider in INDIA which can provide
affordable and reliable services for Python and Turbogears.

Thanks in advance,
Shabbir.

-- 
Shabbir (Sohel) Merchant
CTO
+91 9422855186
Pragmatic Technology Solutions
www.pragtech.co.in
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 08:58:50 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:28:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>

To keep it short and engaged, we can
have one short and one long presentation.
The short one can be from 30 min - 1 hour
,including time for QA. Then after a break
of 15-20 minutes, we can have the next
discussion which can last upto 90 minutes.
Totally the session will last 3 hours.

This is how we used to have the meetings
in 2005, when the group formed and I have
seen it is a workable format.

Members who want to present or discuss
something, please send topic suggestions.

Baiju, is there a overhead projector available in the
first office ?

Thanks

--Anand

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Ranganath s <ranganaths at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 interested to attend as well..
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:
>>
>> Here is the contacts and other details of our office.
>> We have two offices near South End Circle (near Lal Bagh).
>>
>> My Mobile: 9945973441
>> Office: 08041506684
>>
>> First office:
>>
>> ZeOmega Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
>> #20, Rajalakshmi Plaza,
>> 2nd Floor, South End Road
>> Basavanagudi
>> Bangalore - 4
>>
>> Second ffice:
>>
>> ZeOmega Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
>> #86, Palyam House,
>> South End Road
>> Basavanagudi
>> Bangalore - 4
>>
>> The meeting can be arranged in first office (Rajalakshmi Plaza).
>> We can accommodate 70+ people here.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Baiju M
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
>
> --
> I blog at http://ranganaths.wordpress.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
-Anand

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 10:17:28 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:47:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
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	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3b05e8b0902140117u41f62c78i751c3fc065fff3c0@mail.gmail.com>

OTOH, i wanted to go for PyCON, but looks like i wont be able to make it.
Can someone get me a T-shirt?
Might save and go for 26C3.

+1 for the weekend meetup.

-V-
http://twitter.com/venkat83
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From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 11:40:10 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:10:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
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Folks,

I'm pretty sure I can make facilities in ThougthWorks in Diamond 
District on Airport Road available as well. Let me know if the 
BangPypers would like to meet there sometime.

Best,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in

Baiju M wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> FYI :- I should say, For Your Inspiration!
>>     
>
> What about arranging a BangPypers meeting ?
>
> Here is one offer: ZeOmega can provide space and other facilities required
> for meetings.  And we can provide it for all regular meetings provided
> the meetings are not on weekdays.
>
> BTW, Any one going to PyCon from here ?   I know Senthil has one tutorial
> and myself also going this time :)
>
> Regards,
> Baiju M
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>   

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sat Feb 14 10:19:22 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:49:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Hosting INDIA
In-Reply-To: <52d38fc20902132349s1219bb04n297e37ff60c14d96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52d38fc20902132349s1219bb04n297e37ff60c14d96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902141449.22918.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Saturday 14 February 2009 13:19:12 Shabbir (Sohel) Merchant wrote:
>  ?I am looking for a hosting service provider in INDIA which can provide
> affordable and reliable services for Python and Turbogears.

I do not think such a thing exists - try webfaction, they are reliable and not 
very expensive
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Mon Feb 16 08:33:49 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:03:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Anand Balachandran <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Baiju, is there a overhead projector available in the
> first office ?

We have one projector:
http://h20271.www2.hp.com/SMB-AP/cache/125118-0-0-190-121.html

Regards,
Baiju M

From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Mon Feb 16 12:47:15 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:17:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Anand Balachandran <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> To keep it short and engaged, we can
> have one short and one long presentation.
> The short one can be from 30 min - 1 hour
> ,including time for QA. Then after a break
> of 15-20 minutes, we can have the next
> discussion which can last upto 90 minutes.
> Totally the session will last 3 hours.
>
> This is how we used to have the meetings
> in 2005, when the group formed and I have
> seen it is a workable format.
>
> Members who want to present or discuss
> something, please send topic suggestions.

Well, I have created a wiki page here:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/Meeting21Feb2009
I hope the timing given in wiki (10am to 1pm) is fine for all.
(Actually I got some other program in the evening,
 if more people want this session afternoon, it's Ok
 my colleagues will be here to help you)

If you are coming, please add your name there.
This is just to get an idea of number of participants.

Regards,
Baiju M

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 12:57:05 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:27:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9963e56e0902160357y4d7ba08anacc995aa4fd8f6a3@mail.gmail.com>

It might be a good idea to put up an event on meetup.com

I just searched for Python stuff in Bangalore and found a LAMP group and
mySQL one.

http://www.meetup.com/search/?keywords=Python&radius=25&country=in&locationPickerRef=0&dbCo=us&dbOutsideUsLink=&zip=meetup4&submitButton=Search


-- 
~noufal
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From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Tue Feb 17 09:13:07 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:43:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0902170013y56239b8cja3e70b03e7deb61a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:
> Well, I have created a wiki page here:
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/Meeting21Feb2009
> I hope the timing given in wiki (10am to 1pm) is fine for all.

I have added landmark in wiki:
ZeOmega is near Surana College, Next building to Canara Bank and
opposite to Siva Sakthi Convention Hall.

Regards,
Baiju M

From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 09:20:06 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:50:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (was: Fwd: Chicago Python User Group) BangPypers
 meet on 21 Feb 2009
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>	<c911c70d0902120006l3f29dcc0l3200cc102412b5a2@mail.gmail.com>	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
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Baiju M wrote:
>
> Well, I have created a wiki page here:
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/Meeting21Feb2009
> I hope the timing given in wiki (10am to 1pm) is fine for all.
> (Actually I got some other program in the evening,
>  if more people want this session afternoon, it's Ok
>  my colleagues will be here to help you)
>
> If you are coming, please add your name there.
> This is just to get an idea of number of participants.
>   
I don't see any other names there. Looks like we need to wake up people ;-)

-- 
With Regards,

Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
http://technofreak.in


From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 09:30:06 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:00:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (was: Fwd: Chicago Python User Group) BangPypers
	meet on 21 Feb 2009
In-Reply-To: <499A7336.3030803@gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
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	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Parthan SR <parth.technofreak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Baiju M wrote:
>>
>> Well, I have created a wiki page here:
>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/Meeting21Feb2009
>> I hope the timing given in wiki (10am to 1pm) is fine for all.
>> (Actually I got some other program in the evening,
>>  if more people want this session afternoon, it's Ok
>>  my colleagues will be here to help you)
>>
>> If you are coming, please add your name there.
>> This is just to get an idea of number of participants.
>>
>
> I don't see any other names there. Looks like we need to wake up people ;-)

Yes, looks like this is getting diffused :)
Instead of a wiki entry which people are often lazy to update,
can someone create a calendar entry in his google calendar
and send it to the list. That is much quicker.

Also, can we have a count for venue affinity.
Please reply to this thread indicating your affinity
for ThoughtWorks (Indiranagar, Diamond District, Old Airport Road)
or ZeOmega (near Lalbagh). Use "+T" for former
and +Z for latter or N for neutral.

Here is my vote -> N.

>
> --
> With Regards,
>
> Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
> http://technofreak.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

Thanks


-- 
-Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 09:34:09 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:04:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Chicago Python User Group
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902170013y56239b8cja3e70b03e7deb61a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
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	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:
>> Well, I have created a wiki page here:
>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/Meeting21Feb2009
>> I hope the timing given in wiki (10am to 1pm) is fine for all.

Let us not assume this is fine. In fact I think this will be
inconvenient to most people since Saturday is a holiday and people
want their early morning lie-in or rest.

Typically we used to have these meetings from 3.00 - 6.00pm
or 4.00-7.00pm.  I think that time will be most convenient.

>
> I have added landmark in wiki:
> ZeOmega is near Surana College, Next building to Canara Bank and
> opposite to Siva Sakthi Convention Hall.
>
> Regards,
> Baiju M
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
-Anand

From abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 09:36:34 2009
From: abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com (abhinav sarkar)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:06:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (was: Fwd: Chicago Python User Group) BangPypers
	meet on 21 Feb 2009
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902170030s1ac3d7f4td74eb7e0c6d4a29d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <db10f4b60902170036r4ecaa70au9fab06ee779ae09a@mail.gmail.com>

2009/2/17 Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>

>
> Yes, looks like this is getting diffused :)
> Instead of a wiki entry which people are often lazy to update,
> can someone create a calendar entry in his google calendar
> and send it to the list. That is much quicker.
>
> Also, can we have a count for venue affinity.
> Please reply to this thread indicating your affinity
> for ThoughtWorks (Indiranagar, Diamond District, Old Airport Road)
> or ZeOmega (near Lalbagh). Use "+T" for former
> and +Z for latter or N for neutral.
>
> Here is my vote -> N.
>

+T

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From abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 09:37:48 2009
From: abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com (abhinav sarkar)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:07:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (was: Fwd: Chicago Python User Group) BangPypers
	meet on 21 Feb 2009
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	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
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2009/2/17 Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>

>
> Yes, looks like this is getting diffused :)
> Instead of a wiki entry which people are often lazy to update,
> can someone create a calendar entry in his google calendar
> and send it to the list. That is much quicker.
>
> Also, can we have a count for venue affinity.
> Please reply to this thread indicating your affinity
> for ThoughtWorks (Indiranagar, Diamond District, Old Airport Road)
> or ZeOmega (near Lalbagh). Use "+T" for former
> and +Z for latter or N for neutral.
>
> Here is my vote -> N.
>

+T

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Office: +91-8041371605
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From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 09:46:44 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:16:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902170030s1ac3d7f4td74eb7e0c6d4a29d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>	<c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>	<499A7336.3030803@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902170030s1ac3d7f4td74eb7e0c6d4a29d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499A7974.5040005@gmail.com>

Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> Instead of a wiki entry which people are often lazy to update,
> can someone create a calendar entry in his google calendar
> and send it to the list. That is much quicker.
>   
Can anybody edit content in a google calendar? Having it in our wiki 
helps us maintain a list of attendees there and somebody can write a MoM 
after the meet in the same page as well :)
> Also, can we have a count for venue affinity.
> Please reply to this thread indicating your affinity
> for ThoughtWorks (Indiranagar, Diamond District, Old Airport Road)
> or ZeOmega (near Lalbagh). Use "+T" for former
> and +Z for latter or N for neutral.
>   
Both are far from from home and I do not have direct commutation. So "N" 
from me ;-)

-- 
With Regards,

Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
http://technofreak.in


From orsenthil at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 10:07:24 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:37:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <499A7974.5040005@gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
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	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
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	<499A7974.5040005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902170107l28153015v624bfde1035b8e88@mail.gmail.com>

Guys, let us please settle it here. ( Even though, I may not attend
the coming week, here are my points)

1) No more administrative tasks than it is required. Wiki is just
fine.  No Google Calender and No Meetups. Friend brings his friend and
we all are friends. ;)

2) Lets have it at ZeOmega. Baiju took the initiative and has made
arrangements for it.
The point of this meet up is to get going. Once we have a couple of
meetings, then we can think of switching to different places in and
around the city.

Yeah, I agree with Anand that morning meetings is next to impossible.

Evening 4:00 pm to 6/7 pm is the suitable timing.


Thanks,
Senthil





On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Parthan SR <parth.technofreak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ave direct commutation. So "N" from me ;-)



--
--
Senthil

From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Tue Feb 17 10:40:42 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:10:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902170107l28153015v624bfde1035b8e88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
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	<499A7974.5040005@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <c911c70d0902170140n6701ceecn2c06c42266a36799@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> Guys, let us please settle it here. ( Even though, I may not attend
> the coming week, here are my points)
>
> 1) No more administrative tasks than it is required. Wiki is just
> fine.  No Google Calender and No Meetups. Friend brings his friend and
> we all are friends. ;)
>
> 2) Lets have it at ZeOmega. Baiju took the initiative and has made
> arrangements for it.
> The point of this meet up is to get going. Once we have a couple of
> meetings, then we can think of switching to different places in and
> around the city.
>
> Yeah, I agree with Anand that morning meetings is next to impossible.
>
> Evening 4:00 pm to 6/7 pm is the suitable timing.

Anyway this Saturday afternoon I won't be available.  Let's change
venue to ToughtWorks.
I have been two times to ToughtWorks for BangPypers meeting, they are
good hosts.
So, now we can stop that voting.

Regards,
Baiju M

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 10:44:05 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:14:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902170107l28153015v624bfde1035b8e88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
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	<7c42eba10902170107l28153015v624bfde1035b8e88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547db2260902170144j1a44cd8chcc4a7cf6aa3503f8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> Guys, let us please settle it here. ( Even though, I may not attend
> the coming week, here are my points)
>
> 1) No more administrative tasks than it is required. Wiki is just
> fine.  No Google Calender and No Meetups. Friend brings his friend and
> we all are friends. ;)

Wiki works just fine for us at BOJUG (http://www.bojug.in)

-Amit


>
> 2) Lets have it at ZeOmega. Baiju took the initiative and has made
> arrangements for it.
> The point of this meet up is to get going. Once we have a couple of
> meetings, then we can think of switching to different places in and
> around the city.
>
> Yeah, I agree with Anand that morning meetings is next to impossible.
>
> Evening 4:00 pm to 6/7 pm is the suitable timing.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Senthil
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Parthan SR <parth.technofreak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ave direct commutation. So "N" from me ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

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--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Tue Feb 17 11:13:16 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:43:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902170140n6701ceecn2c06c42266a36799@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
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	<c911c70d0902170140n6701ceecn2c06c42266a36799@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0902170213h5439658cm9cf35631710ef453@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Guys, let us please settle it here. ( Even though, I may not attend
>> the coming week, here are my points)
>>
>> 1) No more administrative tasks than it is required. Wiki is just
>> fine.  No Google Calender and No Meetups. Friend brings his friend and
>> we all are friends. ;)
>>
>> 2) Lets have it at ZeOmega. Baiju took the initiative and has made
>> arrangements for it.
>> The point of this meet up is to get going. Once we have a couple of
>> meetings, then we can think of switching to different places in and
>> around the city.
>>
>> Yeah, I agree with Anand that morning meetings is next to impossible.
>>
>> Evening 4:00 pm to 6/7 pm is the suitable timing.
>
> Anyway this Saturday afternoon I won't be available.  Let's change
> venue to ToughtWorks.
> I have been two times to ToughtWorks for BangPypers meeting, they are
> good hosts.
> So, now we can stop that voting.

I have changed the venue and timing (4pm to 7pm) here:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/Meeting21Feb2009

Please see the address and other details and make any any correction,
if required.

Regards,
Baiju M

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 13:57:34 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:27:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (was: Fwd: Chicago Python User Group) BangPypers
	meet on 21 Feb 2009
In-Reply-To: <db10f4b60902170037l1d8600dgb06e8505d9a0a71d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<499A7336.3030803@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902170030s1ac3d7f4td74eb7e0c6d4a29d@mail.gmail.com>
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+T

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:07 PM, abhinav sarkar <abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com>wrote:

> 2009/2/17 Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>
>
>>
>> Yes, looks like this is getting diffused :)
>> Instead of a wiki entry which people are often lazy to update,
>> can someone create a calendar entry in his google calendar
>> and send it to the list. That is much quicker.
>>
>> Also, can we have a count for venue affinity.
>> Please reply to this thread indicating your affinity
>> for ThoughtWorks (Indiranagar, Diamond District, Old Airport Road)
>> or ZeOmega (near Lalbagh). Use "+T" for former
>> and +Z for latter or N for neutral.
>>
>> Here is my vote -> N.
>>
>
> +T
>
> Abhinav Sarkar
> http://claimid.com/abhin4v
> Mobile:+91-9731596137
> Office: +91-8041371605
> [image: Linkedin] <http://www.linkedin.com/in/abhinavsarkar>[image:
> Facebook] <http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=221100022>[image:
> Flickr] <http://www.flickr.com/photos/abhin4v/>[image: Twitter]<http://twitter.com/abhin4v>[image:
> del.icio.us] <http://delicious.com/abhin4v>[image: Last.fm]<http://www.last.fm/user/abhin4v/>
> The world is a book, those who do not travel read only one page.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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From simplysagnik at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 04:55:14 2009
From: simplysagnik at yahoo.com (sagnik dhar)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:55:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] (was: Fwd: Chicago Python User Group) BangPypers
	meet on 21 Feb 2009
References: <7c42eba10902112337p1ce1a136r75959d57c546df8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4993DBDE.4020103@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902120040p781dad82q9cc2a16dfec9956e@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120047m1c31f7cau2888b5bddcce0a01@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902120056y93e5fa0hdfd441861151d3e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902120117n4556fd94w506e769923af6bbb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77bb36840902120120v66007a9fta4d01af8ef31e148@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902132358x782e1f15jea0d8168afb1692f@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902160347h5ebd2c6ard774f321060537ca@mail.gmail.com>
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	<8548c5f30902170030s1ac3d7f4td74eb7e0c6d4a29d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <671564.1836.qm@web35407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

+T

Regards, 
Sagnik


________________________________
From: Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:00:06 PM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] (was: Fwd: Chicago Python User Group) BangPypers meet on 21 Feb 2009

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Parthan SR <parth.technofreak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Baiju M wrote:
>>
>> Well, I have created a wiki page here:
>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/Meeting21Feb2009
>> I hope the timing given in wiki (10am to 1pm) is fine for all.
>> (Actually I got some other program in the evening,
>>  if more people want this session afternoon, it's Ok
>>  my colleagues will be here to help you)
>>
>> If you are coming, please add your name there.
>> This is just to get an idea of number of participants.
>>
>
> I don't see any other names there. Looks like we need to wake up people ;-)

Yes, looks like this is getting diffused :)
Instead of a wiki entry which people are often lazy to update,
can someone create a calendar entry in his google calendar
and send it to the list. That is much quicker.

Also, can we have a count for venue affinity.
Please reply to this thread indicating your affinity
for ThoughtWorks (Indiranagar, Diamond District, Old Airport Road)
or ZeOmega (near Lalbagh). Use "+T" for former
and +Z for latter or N for neutral.

Here is my vote -> N.

>
> --
> With Regards,
>
> Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
> http://technofreak.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

Thanks


-- 
-Anand
_______________________________________________
BangPypers mailing list
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers



      
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From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 11:13:52 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:43:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Bof @ Freed.in
Message-ID: <def7ddf20902180213n6534969aufc679041578ac325@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks

I'm be proposing a Python Bof @ Freed.in. I know Sentil is coming.
Anyone else coming down ?


regards
-- 
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Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From sirtaj at sirtaj.net  Wed Feb 18 12:24:44 2009
From: sirtaj at sirtaj.net (Sirtaj Singh Kang)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:54:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Bof @ Freed.in
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20902180213n6534969aufc679041578ac325@mail.gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20902180213n6534969aufc679041578ac325@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902181654.44161.sirtaj@sirtaj.net>

On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
> Hi Folks
>
> I'm be proposing a Python Bof @ Freed.in. I know Sentil is coming.
> Anyone else coming down ?

I intend to be there on both days.

-Taj.

From chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 11:21:00 2009
From: chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com (Chetan Nichkawde)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:51:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Country look up for an IP address
Message-ID: <c6b653c60902190221y32a2e526u2018042ab8918aef@mail.gmail.com>

Dear BangPypers,

   There was a problem posed to me to efficiently find the country for a
given IP address. I have devised the solution for the same using splay tree.
This could used in various places, like serving a web pages based on the
country from which the request is coming from. The code can be downloaded
from

http://code.google.com/p/ip-country-translator/

Chetan
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From saju.pillai at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 11:41:41 2009
From: saju.pillai at gmail.com (Saju Pillai)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:11:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Country look up for an IP address
In-Reply-To: <c6b653c60902190221y32a2e526u2018042ab8918aef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c6b653c60902190221y32a2e526u2018042ab8918aef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499D3765.60806@gmail.com>

Chetan Nichkawde wrote:
> Dear BangPypers,
> 
>    There was a problem posed to me to efficiently find the country for a 
> given IP address. I have devised the solution for the same using splay 
> tree. This could used in various places, like serving a web pages based 
> on the country from which the request is coming from. The code can be 
> downloaded from
> 

This is interesting.

One point to note concerning the example use of "serving web pages based 
on country". If your server load is generated from throughout the world, 
you will waste time rotating the tree to provide MRU access. Splay trees 
work best when you expect MRU behaviour, behaviour degrades if tree 
nodes are accessed randomly - there is no benefit to moving recently 
accessed nodes upwards to the root.

That being said, there must be lots of MRU patterns in various apps 
where this implementation can be used.

srp
-- 
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From lohit.b at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 11:59:01 2009
From: lohit.b at gmail.com (LOhit)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:29:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
Message-ID: <29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I am parsing a log file to extract data for the last one week from the
current date. The log file does not record the year, only month, day of the
month and time.

My question is, the date is in "Month day-of-the-month time" format in the
log file (ex. "Nov 22 15:15:42") and the current date I get from "datetime"
module is in ISO format. How do I convert the date in log file to ISO
format(or any other format) and then compare with the current date/time.

I am sure this will sound like a simple problem to you experts, but, I am
not a programmer. I am a python enthusiast trying to automate few of my
jobs.

Thanks,

-- 
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From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 12:07:29 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:37:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
In-Reply-To: <29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499D3D71.4080408@gmail.com>

LOhit wrote:
> My question is, the date is in "Month day-of-the-month time" format in 
> the log file (ex. "Nov 22 15:15:42") and the current date I get from 
> "datetime" module is in ISO format. How do I convert the date in log 
> file to ISO format(or any other format) and then compare with the 
> current date/time.

 >>> import datetime   # or try `from datetime import datetime` and use 
`datetime.today()`

 >>> datetime.datetime.today()
datetime.datetime(2009, 2, 19, 16, 34, 40, 358989)

 >>> datetime.datetime.today().strftime("%d-%m-%Y")
'19-02-2009'

 >>> today=datetime.datetime.today().strftime("%d-%m-%Y")
 >>> today
'19-02-2009'

 >>> today_dtobj=datetime.datetime.strptime(today, "%d-%m-%Y")
 >>> today_dtobj
datetime.datetime(2009, 2, 19, 0, 0)

 >>> type(today_dtobj)
<type 'datetime.datetime'>

-- 
With Regards,

Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
http://technofreak.in


From saju.pillai at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 12:09:26 2009
From: saju.pillai at gmail.com (Saju Pillai)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:39:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
In-Reply-To: <29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499D3DE6.1020706@gmail.com>

LOhit wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I am parsing a log file to extract data for the last one week from the 
> current date. The log file does not record the year, only month, day of 
> the month and time.
> 
> My question is, the date is in "Month day-of-the-month time" format in 
> the log file (ex. "Nov 22 15:15:42") and the current date I get from 
> "datetime" module is in ISO format. How do I convert the date in log 
> file to ISO format(or any other format) and then compare with the 
> current date/time.

Look at time.strptime() or datetime.strptime().

This method takes the string to be parsed and the format of the string.

For eg:

time_object = time.strptime("Nov 22 15:15:42", "%b %d %H:%M:%S")

This will give you a time object on which you can call strftime(format, 
time_object) where format is any format you want.

In your particular case, the year will default to 1900, you may want to 
explicitly supply the year like strptime("2008 Nov 22 15:15:42", "%Y %b 
%d %H:%M:%S").


srp
-- 
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From ruchiryshukla at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 12:19:02 2009
From: ruchiryshukla at gmail.com (Ruchir Shukla)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:49:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
In-Reply-To: <mailman.57.1235041227.11040.bangpypers@python.org>
References: <mailman.57.1235041227.11040.bangpypers@python.org>
Message-ID: <1235042342.15032.2.camel@ping>

import datetime
curr_date = datetime.datetime.now()
final_date = curr_date.strftime('%h %d %H:%M:%S')
print "::::FINAL DATE:::::",final_date

here is the demo to convert the current date into yr needed format 

> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:29:01 +0530
> From: LOhit <lohit.b at gmail.com>
> Subject: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
> To: bangpypers at python.org
> Message-ID:
> 	<29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I am parsing a log file to extract data for the last one week from the
> current date. The log file does not record the year, only month, day of the
> month and time.
> 
> My question is, the date is in "Month day-of-the-month time" format in the
> log file (ex. "Nov 22 15:15:42") and the current date I get from "datetime"
> module is in ISO format. How do I convert the date in log file to ISO
> format(or any other format) and then compare with the current date/time.
> 
> I am sure this will sound like a simple problem to you experts, but, I am
> not a programmer. I am a python enthusiast trying to automate few of my
> jobs.
> 
> Thanks,
> 



________________________________________________________________________

Thanks & Regards,
Ruchir Shukla
Application Engineer




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From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 12:21:35 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:51:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
In-Reply-To: <499D3DE6.1020706@gmail.com>
References: <29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<499D3DE6.1020706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902190321t53642394va5f31926a93d34a5@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Saju Pillai <saju.pillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> LOhit wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I am parsing a log file to extract data for the last one week from the
>> current date. The log file does not record the year, only month, day of the
>> month and time.
>>
>> My question is, the date is in "Month day-of-the-month time" format in the
>> log file (ex. "Nov 22 15:15:42") and the current date I get from "datetime"
>> module is in ISO format. How do I convert the date in log file to ISO
>> format(or any other format) and then compare with the current date/time.
>
> Look at time.strptime() or datetime.strptime().
>
> This method takes the string to be parsed and the format of the string.
>
> For eg:
>
> time_object = time.strptime("Nov 22 15:15:42", "%b %d %H:%M:%S")
>
> This will give you a time object on which you can call strftime(format,
> time_object) where format is any format you want.
>
> In your particular case, the year will default to 1900, you may want to
> explicitly supply the year like strptime("2008 Nov 22 15:15:42", "%Y %b %d
> %H:%M:%S").

The time,datetime functions in Python have borrowed
a lot in style and semantics from the C language and its
time functions (in time.h) header file.

For example,

>>> import time
>>> time.time()
1235042431.3961599

The "time" function mimics its counterpart "time(...)" in
the C language. The difference being that in Python
it returns both the integer and fractional parts, whereas
in C only the integral time is returned.

Both strftime and strptime are also derived from their
counterparts in C namely "strftime" and "strptime"
respectively and do similar jobs.

"strftime" - literally means format a time structure to
a string with "f" standing for "format".

"strptime" - literally means parse a string representing
time into a time structure with "p" standing for "parse".

Sometimes an understanding of name and semantics
of functions go a long way. Being someone who started
programming with C (and still continues to do), I am
fascinated by how much Python has borrowed from
C, the time/datetime modules being perfect examples.

Not just these functions, but almost the entire time/datetime
functions mimic their C counterparts.

--Anand

>
>
> srp
> --
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From anandology at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 12:30:09 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:00:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902190321t53642394va5f31926a93d34a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<499D3DE6.1020706@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902190321t53642394va5f31926a93d34a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0902190330s29ce8060gbca47db140cbc1ce@mail.gmail.com>

> Not just these functions, but almost the entire time/datetime
> functions mimic their C counterparts.

I always find datetime module very painful to deal with.
May be it is because it has borrowed too much from C instead of being pythonic.

Just give one example:

>>> import datetime
>>> t = datetime.datetime.utcnow().isoformat()
>>> t
'2009-02-19T11:26:28.750579'

Is there any easy way to convert this iso-formatted date string back
to datetime?

From chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 15:12:53 2009
From: chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com (Chetan Nichkawde)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:12:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Country look up for an IP address
In-Reply-To: <499D3765.60806@gmail.com>
References: <c6b653c60902190221y32a2e526u2018042ab8918aef@mail.gmail.com>
	<499D3765.60806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22101244.post@talk.nabble.com>


I have recommended this for serving pages based on country exactly because of
MRU behavior. Typically, all your traffic for your site would be from one or
two country and those node would be sitting at top of the tree. If the users
of the site are uniformly distributed throughout the world then I would
recommend a simple binary search.

Chetan


saju.pillai at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Chetan Nichkawde wrote:
>> Dear BangPypers,
>> 
>>    There was a problem posed to me to efficiently find the country for a 
>> given IP address. I have devised the solution for the same using splay 
>> tree. This could used in various places, like serving a web pages based 
>> on the country from which the request is coming from. The code can be 
>> downloaded from
>> 
> 
> This is interesting.
> 
> One point to note concerning the example use of "serving web pages based 
> on country". If your server load is generated from throughout the world, 
> you will waste time rotating the tree to provide MRU access. Splay trees 
> work best when you expect MRU behaviour, behaviour degrades if tree 
> nodes are accessed randomly - there is no benefit to moving recently 
> accessed nodes upwards to the root.
> 
> That being said, there must be lots of MRU patterns in various apps 
> where this implementation can be used.
> 
> srp
> -- 
> http://saju.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> 
> 

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From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 15:12:55 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:42:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0902190330s29ce8060gbca47db140cbc1ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<499D3DE6.1020706@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902190321t53642394va5f31926a93d34a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0902190330s29ce8060gbca47db140cbc1ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902190612p16707c87m1f39828cdb97d90c@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not just these functions, but almost the entire time/datetime
>> functions mimic their C counterparts.
>
> I always find datetime module very painful to deal with.
> May be it is because it has borrowed too much from C instead of being pythonic.
>
> Just give one example:
>
>>>> import datetime
>>>> t = datetime.datetime.utcnow().isoformat()
>>>> t
> '2009-02-19T11:26:28.750579'
>
> Is there any easy way to convert this iso-formatted date string back
> to datetime?

http://blog.redinnovation.com/2008/06/30/relativity-of-time-shortcomings-in-python-datetime-and-workaround/

I always felt datetime/date modules were a hack and still
continue to use "time" for all my date/datetime needs :)

If you want something better I suggest the egenix mxDateTime
module.

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From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 15:14:39 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:44:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902190612p16707c87m1f39828cdb97d90c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<499D3DE6.1020706@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902190321t53642394va5f31926a93d34a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0902190330s29ce8060gbca47db140cbc1ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902190612p16707c87m1f39828cdb97d90c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902190614o55c9f7acj7dfdfb51ff5bca94@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
>
> If you want something better I suggest the egenix mxDateTime
> module.

>From http://seehuhn.de/pages/pdate,

"Egenix provides the mxDateTime class as part of their mx extensions
for Python. This class seems to be relatively similar to the standard
datetime class, but it provides a parser for ISO 8601 date strings. "

So there you are.
>
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>
>
>
> --
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>



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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Thu Feb 19 16:12:28 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:12:28 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Country look up for an IP address
In-Reply-To: <c6b653c60902190221y32a2e526u2018042ab8918aef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c6b653c60902190221y32a2e526u2018042ab8918aef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70902190712t454a62a3p55bc10ca4f17a849@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious.. What is the advantage of doing this over using a database?

I did this back in 2006 using a DB.
URL : http://pradeepgowda.com/programming/ip-to-country-for-pylons-comments

+PG


On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Chetan Nichkawde
<chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear BangPypers,
>
>    There was a problem posed to me to efficiently find the country for a
> given IP address. I have devised the solution for the same using splay tree.
> This could used in various places, like serving a web pages based on the
> country from which the request is coming from. The code can be downloaded
> from
>
> http://code.google.com/p/ip-country-translator/
>
> Chetan
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>

From chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 19:49:02 2009
From: chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com (Chetan Nichkawde)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:49:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Country look up for an IP address
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70902190712t454a62a3p55bc10ca4f17a849@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c6b653c60902190221y32a2e526u2018042ab8918aef@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70902190712t454a62a3p55bc10ca4f17a849@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22107174.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Pradeep,

   I haven't done much of django. Looking at this line of your code :-

iptc = session.query(c.IPToCountry).selectfirst(and_(c.IPToCountry.c.ip_from
= ip))

If I understand the above database query correctly, you are doing an exact
match of input IP with ip_from field. There is a range of IP address
(translated to 32 bit integer) which map to a country. So, the input IP may
fall within a any range. So where clause of query should be ip_from <= ip <=
ip_to.

Having done the above correction. Suppose you build indexes on both ip_from
and ip_to fields. Databases provide two kind of indexes. B-tree indexes and
hash index. B-tree is very much similar to binary search tree except that
each node has several elements (the number being proportional to the size of
disk block on the system). B-tree data structure is static in nature and it
is not self adjusting like splay tree where recently accessed elements move
near the root of the tree. Moreover, your entire data resides on the disk
rather than being in memory. Disk access is order of magnitude slower memory
access. Hash index is also static in nature and has problem of collisions. 

A query like ip_from <= ip <= ip_to would involve range search which B+ tree
best provides. It would be search on two indexes i.e ip_from and ip_to and
would be accessing data from the disk, would not be self adjusting and hence
would be much much slower than the splay tree implementation which is
optimized (look at the code) for this kind of country look up for given IP
address.

Hope, I answer your question.

Chetan 



Pradeep Gowda wrote:
> 
> I'm curious.. What is the advantage of doing this over using a database?
> 
> I did this back in 2006 using a DB.
> URL :
> http://pradeepgowda.com/programming/ip-to-country-for-pylons-comments
> 
> +PG
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Chetan Nichkawde
> <chetan.nichkawde at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear BangPypers,
>>
>>    There was a problem posed to me to efficiently find the country for a
>> given IP address. I have devised the solution for the same using splay
>> tree.
>> This could used in various places, like serving a web pages based on the
>> country from which the request is coming from. The code can be downloaded
>> from
>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/ip-country-translator/
>>
>> Chetan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> 
> 

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From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 20:17:23 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:47:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 18, Issue 26
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1041.1235042472.11745.bangpypers@python.org>
References: <mailman.1041.1235042472.11745.bangpypers@python.org>
Message-ID: <7f2cbc970902191117s2985b585qf1ceff0a1c84fc42@mail.gmail.com>

I had encountered a similar problem. I converted both the dates to time
since epoch and then computed their difference and then made the new time...

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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:37:29 +0530
> From: Parthan SR <parth.technofreak at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Message-ID: <499D3D71.4080408 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> LOhit wrote:
> > My question is, the date is in "Month day-of-the-month time" format in
> > the log file (ex. "Nov 22 15:15:42") and the current date I get from
> > "datetime" module is in ISO format. How do I convert the date in log
> > file to ISO format(or any other format) and then compare with the
> > current date/time.
>
>  >>> import datetime   # or try `from datetime import datetime` and use
> `datetime.today()`
>
>  >>> datetime.datetime.today()
> datetime.datetime(2009, 2, 19, 16, 34, 40, 358989)
>
>  >>> datetime.datetime.today().strftime("%d-%m-%Y")
> '19-02-2009'
>
>  >>> today=datetime.datetime.today().strftime("%d-%m-%Y")
>  >>> today
> '19-02-2009'
>
>  >>> today_dtobj=datetime.datetime.strptime(today, "%d-%m-%Y")
>  >>> today_dtobj
> datetime.datetime(2009, 2, 19, 0, 0)
>
>  >>> type(today_dtobj)
> <type 'datetime.datetime'>
>
> --
> With Regards,
>
> Parthan "technofreak" (2FF01026)
> http://technofreak.in
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:39:26 +0530
> From: Saju Pillai <saju.pillai at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Message-ID: <499D3DE6.1020706 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> LOhit wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I am parsing a log file to extract data for the last one week from the
> > current date. The log file does not record the year, only month, day of
> > the month and time.
> >
> > My question is, the date is in "Month day-of-the-month time" format in
> > the log file (ex. "Nov 22 15:15:42") and the current date I get from
> > "datetime" module is in ISO format. How do I convert the date in log
> > file to ISO format(or any other format) and then compare with the
> > current date/time.
>
> Look at time.strptime() or datetime.strptime().
>
> This method takes the string to be parsed and the format of the string.
>
> For eg:
>
> time_object = time.strptime("Nov 22 15:15:42", "%b %d %H:%M:%S")
>
> This will give you a time object on which you can call strftime(format,
> time_object) where format is any format you want.
>
> In your particular case, the year will default to 1900, you may want to
> explicitly supply the year like strptime("2008 Nov 22 15:15:42", "%Y %b
> %d %H:%M:%S").
>
>
> srp
> --
> http://saju.net.in
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:49:02 +0530
> From: Ruchir Shukla <ruchiryshukla at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
> To: bangpypers at python.org
> Message-ID: <1235042342.15032.2.camel at ping>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> import datetime
> curr_date = datetime.datetime.now()
> final_date = curr_date.strftime('%h %d %H:%M:%S')
> print "::::FINAL DATE:::::",final_date
>
> here is the demo to convert the current date into yr needed format
>
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:29:01 +0530
> > From: LOhit <lohit.b at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [BangPypers] date/time difference between two dates
> > To: bangpypers at python.org
> > Message-ID:
> >       <29117e150902190259j700bc28bp3975fe8c0e7b31dd at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I am parsing a log file to extract data for the last one week from the
> > current date. The log file does not record the year, only month, day of
> the
> > month and time.
> >
> > My question is, the date is in "Month day-of-the-month time" format in
> the
> > log file (ex. "Nov 22 15:15:42") and the current date I get from
> "datetime"
> > module is in ISO format. How do I convert the date in log file to ISO
> > format(or any other format) and then compare with the current date/time.
> >
> > I am sure this will sound like a simple problem to you experts, but, I am
> > not a programmer. I am a python enthusiast trying to automate few of my
> > jobs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Ruchir Shukla
> Application Engineer
>
>
>
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Feb 20 02:07:39 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:37:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] foss calendar
Message-ID: <200902200637.40661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

Hi,
after a brief hiatus, the foss calendar is now getting up to date. Please 
contribute to this to make it a definitive guide to Indian foss events:

http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/calendar/
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 05:44:45 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:14:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] foss calendar
In-Reply-To: <200902200637.40661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200902200637.40661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0902192044s772fa73cid692a610f717f938@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> Hi,
> after a brief hiatus, the foss calendar is now getting up to date. Please
> contribute to this to make it a definitive guide to Indian foss events:
>
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/calendar/
> --


Thanks for this Kenneth. I was about to mail the group asking if there was
such a calendar around. :)

-- 
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 07:29:53 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:59:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 18, Issue 26
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970902191117s2985b585qf1ceff0a1c84fc42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1041.1235042472.11745.bangpypers@python.org>
	<7f2cbc970902191117s2985b585qf1ceff0a1c84fc42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3b05e8b0902192229w30c94e6dt9ca8a428cf42fedc@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:47 AM, bhaskar jain
<bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I had encountered a similar problem. I converted both the dates to time
> since epoch and then computed their difference and then made the new time...
>


replying to digests is often confusing - and even if you do, please exercise
some prudence, so as to cut off the unwanted pieces from the mail.

-V-
http://twitter.com/venkat83
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From ramdas at developeriq.com  Fri Feb 20 13:19:39 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the exact plan tomorrow?
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>

What's the plan tomorrow? Please can someone reply back?

-- 
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+91 9342 583 065
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From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 13:36:04 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:06:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the exact plan tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499EA3B4.8020401@gmail.com>

I've made arrangements at ThoughtWorks for a BangPypers meeting between 
4pm and 7pm. Directions are here: 
http://blog.sidu.in/2006/11/thoughtworks-is-hosting-barcamp.html

You can ask for me at the reception or call me at +91.9880609867 if you 
have any problems.

Best,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in

Ramdas S wrote:
> What's the plan tomorrow? Please can someone reply back?
>
> -- 
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>   

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 13:55:22 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:25:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the exact plan tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <499EA3B4.8020401@gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>
	<499EA3B4.8020401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b480902200455h15116b28m15f06593dd124109@mail.gmail.com>

Whats your full name Sidu? Just so we can ask the right question at the
counter.
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Darkseid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've made arrangements at ThoughtWorks for a BangPypers meeting between 4pm
> and 7pm. Directions are here:
> http://blog.sidu.in/2006/11/thoughtworks-is-hosting-barcamp.html
>
> You can ask for me at the reception or call me at +91.9880609867 if you
> have any problems.
>
> Best,
> Sidu.
> http://blog.sidu.in
>
> Ramdas S wrote:
>
>> What's the plan tomorrow? Please can someone reply back?
>>
>> --
>> Ramdas S
>> +91 9342 583 065
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Fri Feb 20 14:03:10 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:33:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the exact plan tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0902200503m4a206d06xb077734dec5fbd88@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
    I think writing a report of our meetings in Python groups blog
will give us a better visibility in Python community:
http://python-groups.blogspot.com/

Any takers ?

Regards,
Baiju M

From ambatisreedhar at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 03:34:43 2009
From: ambatisreedhar at gmail.com (sreedhar ambati)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:04:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the exact plan tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902200503m4a206d06xb077734dec5fbd88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902200503m4a206d06xb077734dec5fbd88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <659951850902201834o23168472m7fcf598d4818dd8b@mail.gmail.com>

What are the sessisons in this meeting?

I found a clash with ILUG Bangalore user group .
They are also having the sessions in the same place at the same place at the
same time.
Can you clarify ?

Thanks
Sreedhar

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>    I think writing a report of our meetings in Python groups blog
> will give us a better visibility in Python community:
> http://python-groups.blogspot.com/
>
> Any takers ?
>
> Regards,
> Baiju M
>  _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 04:20:02 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:50:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the exact plan tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <659951850902201834o23168472m7fcf598d4818dd8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>	<c911c70d0902200503m4a206d06xb077734dec5fbd88@mail.gmail.com>
	<659951850902201834o23168472m7fcf598d4818dd8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499F72E2.7050001@gmail.com>

sreedhar ambati wrote:
> What are the sessisons in this meeting?
>  
> I found a clash with ILUG Bangalore user group .
> They are also having the sessions in the same place at the same place 
> at the same time.
> Can you clarify ?
>
Yes, they are also meeting at Thought Works today at 4.30 PM. They fixed 
their meeting a day after we fixed ours (or rather moved our meet to TW 
from ZeOmega) )and I indeed tell them when they were trying to fix it 
up. Both the meets will happen at the same venue (TW) but at different 
halls/rooms (they are getting a bigger room this time).

-- 
With Regards,

Parthan SR "technofreak" 
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Weblog      http://blog.technofreak.in


From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 07:48:40 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:18:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the exact plan tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <499F72E2.7050001@gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0902200503m4a206d06xb077734dec5fbd88@mail.gmail.com>
	<659951850902201834o23168472m7fcf598d4818dd8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<499F72E2.7050001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49977f270902202248j79bb08d5ud2fbfba1a5211419@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Parthan SR <parth.technofreak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, they are also meeting at Thought Works today at 4.30 PM. They fixed
> their meeting a day after we fixed ours (or rather moved our meet to TW from
> ZeOmega) )and I indeed tell them when they were trying to fix it up. Both
> the meets will happen at the same venue (TW) but at different halls/rooms
> (they are getting a bigger room this time).
>

We often do have multiple user group meetings at the same times and in
different rooms.
Sidu and I will be around to chaperone the Python and the Linux User
Group meets respectively.

I realize that overlaps should be ideally avoided, and am going to
propose that the LUG meets happen at a different time at TW (perhaps
at 2 pm).

-- Sriram

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sat Feb 21 07:53:59 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:23:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the exact plan tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <49977f270902202248j79bb08d5ud2fbfba1a5211419@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>
	<499F72E2.7050001@gmail.com>
	<49977f270902202248j79bb08d5ud2fbfba1a5211419@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902211223.59766.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Saturday 21 February 2009 12:18:40 Sriram Narayanan wrote:
> > the meets will happen at the same venue (TW) but at different halls/rooms
> > (they are getting a bigger room this time).
>
> We often do have multiple user group meetings at the same times and in
> different rooms.
> Sidu and I will be around to chaperone the Python and the Linux User
> Group meets respectively.
>
> I realize that overlaps should be ideally avoided, and am going to
> propose that the LUG meets happen at a different time at TW (perhaps
> at 2 pm).

that wont happen - 2pm is sacred as breakfast time for the BDFL
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 08:00:28 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:30:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the exact plan tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <200902211223.59766.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <6e38f9f00902200419l25f16239sb245cdae2e8a389c@mail.gmail.com>
	<499F72E2.7050001@gmail.com>
	<49977f270902202248j79bb08d5ud2fbfba1a5211419@mail.gmail.com>
	<200902211223.59766.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <49977f270902202300k108e508bv7cfe6f0f8c341617@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
> that wont happen - 2pm is sacred as breakfast time for the BDFL

The aforemention BDFL is known to be reasonable, and has made
exceptions in the past. The last time around, he was at the venue at
10:45 am itself :)

-- Sriram

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 06:46:10 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:16:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Bangpypers meeting on Feb 21
Message-ID: <9963e56e0902212146s7b8f85d8vc97481fa20f3bbc9@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,
  The meeting on Feb 21 went well. We had a couple of quick presentations
and some discussions about testing tools that thought works was developing.

   I've put up the "minutes" (for want of a better term) on
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/Meeting21Feb2009

   We thought it might be a good idea to put up a list of presentation
topics which people might be interested in so that we can plan to have them
next time during the meeting.

   I've made a page for this at
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/PresentationTopics. Please take a
look and update it as you feel fit.

Ta ta

-- 
~noufal
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From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 05:21:36 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:51:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Announe version 2.16.1 of the python bindings for
	GObject.
Message-ID: <6305ec600902252021s59f4745du3a488a96d5a95c66@mail.gmail.com>

Announe version 2.16.1 of the python bindings for GObject.

The new release available from ftp.gnome.org as and its mirros as soon as
its synced coorectly.

hhtp://download.gnome.org/source/pygobject/2.16
What's new since PyGObject 2.16.0?
        - Apply the patch provided by Cygwin Ports maintainer
          (Paul Pogonyshev, #564018)
        - Bad -I ordering can break build, patch from [dmacks netspace org]
          (Gian Mario Tagliaretti, #566737)
        - Fix keyword list to be in sync with positional arguments
          (Paul, #566744)
        - Add a comment explaining why the two for loops for registering
          interfaces (Gustavo Carneiro)
        - Huge cleanup of GIO overrides (Paul, #566706)
        - gtk.Buildable interface method override is not recognized
          (Paul, #566571)
        - Do not escape the ampersand "&" in entity references. Replace some
          unusual entity references in the output with their literal values.
          (Daniel Elstner, #568485)
        - gio.InputStream.read_async can cause memory corruption.
          (Paul, #567792)
        - Inconsistent use of tabs and spaces in pygtk.py (Paul, #569350)
        - Huge fix of memory leaks in GIO (Paul, Paolo Borelli, Gian,
#568427)
        - non-async functions don't release python locks before calling
          blocking C functions (Gian, Gustavo, #556250)
        - Change comment to avoid false positives when grep'ing for
deprecated
          gtk functions (Andre Klapper)
        - ltihooks.py updating license header from GPL to LGPL
          (James Henstridge)
*GObject is a object system library used by GTK+ and GStreamer.
*

*PyGObject provides a convenient wrapper for the GObject library for use
in Python programs, and takes care of many of the boring details such as
managing memory and type casting.  When combined with PyGTK, PyORBit and
gnome-python, it can be used to write full featured Gnome applications.
*

*Like the GObject library itself PyGObject is licensed under the
GNU LGPL, so is suitable for use in both free software and proprietary
applications.  It is already in use in many applications ranging
from small single purpose scripts up to large full
featured applications.
*
*PyGObject requires glib >= 2.14.0 and Python >= 2.3.5 to build.
GIO bindings require glib >= 2.16.0.

to know more about
http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygobject/pygobject-introduction.html

*Praveen Kumar
+91 9739854134
+91 9343297314
http://praveensunsetpoint.wordpress.com
Bangalore
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From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 08:57:52 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:27:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Pydev 1.4.4 Released
Message-ID: <6305ec600902262357h17e08b40s2010d1d16a06e052@mail.gmail.com>

Pydev 1.4.4 Released

Hi All,

Pydev and Pydev Extensions 1.4.4 have been released -- note that the release
already happened 4 days ago... :)

Details on Pydev Extensions: http://www.fabioz.com/pydev
Details on Pydev: http://pydev.sf.net
Details on its development: http://pydev.blogspot.com

Release Highlights in Pydev:
----------------------------------------------
This release fixes a critical bug when configuring the interpreter (if
no environment variables were specified, it was not possible to
configure an interpreter)

What is PyDev?
---------------------------
PyDev is an open source plugin(a first class Python IDE for Eclipse) that
enables users to use Eclipse for Python and
Jython development -- making Eclipse a first class Python IDE -- It
comes with many goodies such as code completion, syntax highlighting,
syntax analysis, refactor, debug and many others.
First class IDE for Python Development
  * Leading Python & Jython development environment
  * Fully integrates with Aptana Studio or Eclipse
  * Code completion and syntax checker
  * Integrated debugger, remote debugging with Pro version

To learn more about PyDev( http://aptana.com/python )

Cheers,

Praveen Kumar

Bangalore

+91 9739854134
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From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 09:12:45 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:42:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do we have any NetBeans IDE for Python users here?
Message-ID: <547db2260902270012j5983b643ia1bb45d6b109cb44@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Do we have anyone who has at least tried the Python support in
NetBeans IDE? Its at http://wiki.netbeans.org/Python.

Can I make an appeal -would you like to atleast try?  I would love to
hear back from you folks..

Best,
Amit

-- 
Amit Kumar Saha
http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 09:45:28 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:15:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do we have any NetBeans IDE for Python users here?
In-Reply-To: <547db2260902270012j5983b643ia1bb45d6b109cb44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547db2260902270012j5983b643ia1bb45d6b109cb44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902270045j3cf2f76dqa84d79290fc93544@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do we have anyone who has at least tried the Python support in
> NetBeans IDE? Its at http://wiki.netbeans.org/Python.
>
> Can I make an appeal -would you like to atleast try?  I would love to
> hear back from you folks..

Python Plugins for NETBEANS is already available.

http://www.netbeans.org/features/python/
http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansPythonTutorial


I had tried netbeans long time ago and I felt it was similar to
Eclipse. I could not get myself used to both.  :)
In case you try Eclipse, a good support for python is available with
pydev plugin for Eclipse.

-- 
Senthil

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 09:48:08 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:18:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do we have any NetBeans IDE for Python users here?
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902270045j3cf2f76dqa84d79290fc93544@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547db2260902270012j5983b643ia1bb45d6b109cb44@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902270045j3cf2f76dqa84d79290fc93544@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547db2260902270048r5dae71c4m775f2b558043df63@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do we have anyone who has at least tried the Python support in
>> NetBeans IDE? Its at http://wiki.netbeans.org/Python.
>>
>> Can I make an appeal -would you like to atleast try? ?I would love to
>> hear back from you folks..
>
> Python Plugins for NETBEANS is already available.


>
> http://www.netbeans.org/features/python/
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansPythonTutorial

That is what I said :-)

>
>
> I had tried netbeans long time ago and I felt it was similar to
> Eclipse. I could not get myself used to both. ?:)

*Long* time ago ?

The effort that I am talking about has been started just 6-7 months back..



> In case you try Eclipse, a good support for python is available with
> pydev plugin for Eclipse.
>
> --
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Amit Kumar Saha
http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 09:48:34 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:18:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Pydev 1.4.4 Released
In-Reply-To: <6305ec600902262357h17e08b40s2010d1d16a06e052@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6305ec600902262357h17e08b40s2010d1d16a06e052@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902270048k4e88277bre09b9635490e0964@mail.gmail.com>

BTW Praveen,

Thanks for "Forwarding" the release emails. It does help the people at
times to get to know whats released.
My suggestion is that when you are forwarding, just ensure that it is
a forward and attributed to the correct From: address.   Otherwise
folks might get thinking that you are churning out so many releases.
:)

-- 
Senthil


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Praveen Kumar
<praveen.python.plone at gmail.com> wrote:
> Pydev 1.4.4 Released
>
> Hi All,
>
> Pydev and Pydev Extensions 1.4.4 have been released -- note that the release
> already happened 4 days ago... :)
>
> Details on Pydev Extensions: http://www.fabioz.com/pydev
> Details on Pydev: http://pydev.sf.net
> Details on its development: http://pydev.blogspot.com
>
> Release Highlights in Pydev:
> ----------------------------------------------
> This release fixes a critical bug when configuring the interpreter (if
> no environment variables were specified, it was not possible to
> configure an interpreter)
>
> What is PyDev?
> ---------------------------
> PyDev is an open source plugin(a first class Python IDE for Eclipse) that
> enables users to use Eclipse for Python and
> Jython development -- making Eclipse a first class Python IDE -- It
> comes with many goodies such as code completion, syntax highlighting,
> syntax analysis, refactor, debug and many others.
> First class IDE for Python Development
>   * Leading Python & Jython development environment
>   * Fully integrates with Aptana Studio or Eclipse
>   * Code completion and syntax checker
>   * Integrated debugger, remote debugging with Pro version
>
> To learn more about PyDev( http://aptana.com/python )
>
> Cheers,
>
> Praveen Kumar
>
> Bangalore
>
> +91 9739854134
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
-- 
Senthil

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 09:53:42 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:23:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do we have any NetBeans IDE for Python users here?
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902270045j3cf2f76dqa84d79290fc93544@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547db2260902270012j5983b643ia1bb45d6b109cb44@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902270045j3cf2f76dqa84d79290fc93544@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902270053h8f21532pc68595acfc612983@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do we have anyone who has at least tried the Python support in
>> NetBeans IDE? Its at http://wiki.netbeans.org/Python.
>>
>> Can I make an appeal -would you like to atleast try? ?I would love to
>> hear back from you folks..
>
> Python Plugins for NETBEANS is already available.
>
> http://www.netbeans.org/features/python/
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansPythonTutorial

Can we add this in the BangPypers wiki ?
It is here.

http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers

>
>
> I had tried netbeans long time ago and I felt it was similar to
> Eclipse. I could not get myself used to both. ?:)
> In case you try Eclipse, a good support for python is available with
> pydev plugin for Eclipse.
>
> --
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


Thanks,

-- 
-Anand

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 09:57:24 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:27:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do we have any NetBeans IDE for Python users here?
In-Reply-To: <547db2260902270048r5dae71c4m775f2b558043df63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547db2260902270012j5983b643ia1bb45d6b109cb44@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902270045j3cf2f76dqa84d79290fc93544@mail.gmail.com>
	<547db2260902270048r5dae71c4m775f2b558043df63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10902270057h117c39a6s1b02a2f2a94a582c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I had tried netbeans long time ago and I felt it was similar to
>> Eclipse. I could not get myself used to both.  :)
>
> *Long* time ago ?

Yup, may be I tried not with w.r.t Python, but for C++ and I am not
really sure. I had got the DVD via postal mail or at FOSS.in
conference.  Yeah, It could be for C++ and noticing that Python plugin
was not there, I went for Eclipse.

Good work Amit on the Docs. I glanced through it and it looks promising.

As you have already seem to know NETBEANS, can you help us by
illustrating some of the main differences whichs NETBEANS has (which
pydev or any other other IDE (Komodo, Wingware)) does not have?

It might be good to post to documentations pages as well.

-- 
Senthil

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 10:03:16 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:33:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do we have any NetBeans IDE for Python users here?
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902270057h117c39a6s1b02a2f2a94a582c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547db2260902270012j5983b643ia1bb45d6b109cb44@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902270045j3cf2f76dqa84d79290fc93544@mail.gmail.com>
	<547db2260902270048r5dae71c4m775f2b558043df63@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902270057h117c39a6s1b02a2f2a94a582c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547db2260902270103y7e53dbcfu37563d26578f375b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I had tried netbeans long time ago and I felt it was similar to
>>> Eclipse. I could not get myself used to both. ?:)
>>
>> *Long* time ago ?
>
> Yup, may be I tried not with w.r.t Python, but for C++ and I am not
> really sure. I had got the DVD via postal mail or at FOSS.in
> conference. ?Yeah, It could be for C++ and noticing that Python plugin
> was not there, I went for Eclipse.
>
> Good work Amit on the Docs. I glanced through it and it looks promising.

Thanks!
<I did some code too :-) >

>
> As you have already seem to know NETBEANS, can you help us by
> illustrating some of the main differences whichs NETBEANS has (which
> pydev or any other other IDE (Komodo, Wingware)) does not have?

That is the exact reason I asked the BangPypers.

I know and use Python in some of my scripts, for fun & learning,
articles and foo bar tasks.. But I don't Python for a living or even a
full time hobby.  So, my experience with other IDE's is merely having
a 10 min or so look.. The largest Python program was a partially
complete - Approximate Reasoning software-  was pretty large but I
managed to manage it via IDLE. That was 1.5 years ago..So, my
experience with IDEs is pretty limited..

Your opinions will help me - and the other developers in the Python
support for NetBeans, to shape up the future..


Best,
Amit

>
> It might be good to post to documentations pages as well.
>
> --
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Amit Kumar Saha
http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 10:27:33 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:57:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans IDE
	for Python users here?)
Message-ID: <9963e56e0902270127j219bca69nc41b63e960d7d8a8@mail.gmail.com>

A little unrelated but nevertheless

There was (and is) interest expressed in knowing about editing setups (
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/PresentationTopics).

Since you're actively involved in developing IDEs and plugins, I think it
would be great if you could volunteer a presentation on the topic for the
next Bang Pypers meeting.

-- 
~noufal
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 10:38:45 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:08:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do we have any NetBeans IDE for Python users here?
In-Reply-To: <547db2260902270103y7e53dbcfu37563d26578f375b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks!
> <I did some code too :-) >

That's great! I had recently seen the mention of NETBEANS at
http://wiki.python.org Editors list and it stayed in my mind. Nice
that we have another editor for Python.

>> As you have already seem to know NETBEANS, can you help us by
>> illustrating some of the main differences whichs NETBEANS has (which
>> pydev or any other other IDE (Komodo, Wingware)) does not have?
>
> That is the exact reason I asked the BangPypers.
>
> I know and use Python in some of my scripts, for fun & learning,
> articles and foo bar tasks.. But I don't Python for a living or even a
> full time hobby.  So, my experience with other IDE's is merely having
> a 10 min or so look.. The largest Python program was a partially
> complete - Approximate Reasoning software-  was pretty large but I
> managed to manage it via IDLE. That was 1.5 years ago..So, my
> experience with IDEs is pretty limited..
>
> Your opinions will help me - and the other developers in the Python
> support for NetBeans, to shape up the future..

I shall definitely give it a try and let you/group know the comments.
I am sure, other members will give it a try too. :)

-- 
Senthil

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 10:38:54 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:08:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans
	IDE for Python users here?)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0902270127j219bca69nc41b63e960d7d8a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0902270127j219bca69nc41b63e960d7d8a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547db2260902270138v51a455d2ya5f5cb977aa9ce1f@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> A little unrelated but nevertheless
>
> There was (and is) interest expressed in knowing about editing setups
> (http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/PresentationTopics).
>
> Since you're actively involved in developing IDEs and plugins, I think it
> would be great if you could volunteer a presentation on the topic for the
> next Bang Pypers meeting.


You- > 'me' ?

on the Python support in NetBeans IDE support ?

-Amit

>
> --
> ~noufal
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
Amit Kumar Saha
http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 10:40:30 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:10:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do we have any NetBeans IDE for Python users here?
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10902270138v3e4c19cch64d22d8524618356@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547db2260902270012j5983b643ia1bb45d6b109cb44@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902270045j3cf2f76dqa84d79290fc93544@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks!
>> <I did some code too :-) >
>
> That's great! I had recently seen the mention of NETBEANS at
> http://wiki.python.org Editors list and it stayed in my mind. Nice
> that we have another editor for Python.
>
>>> As you have already seem to know NETBEANS, can you help us by
>>> illustrating some of the main differences whichs NETBEANS has (which
>>> pydev or any other other IDE (Komodo, Wingware)) does not have?
>>
>> That is the exact reason I asked the BangPypers.
>>
>> I know and use Python in some of my scripts, for fun & learning,
>> articles and foo bar tasks.. But I don't Python for a living or even a
>> full time hobby. ?So, my experience with other IDE's is merely having
>> a 10 min or so look.. The largest Python program was a partially
>> complete - Approximate Reasoning software- ?was pretty large but I
>> managed to manage it via IDLE. That was 1.5 years ago..So, my
>> experience with IDEs is pretty limited..
>>
>> Your opinions will help me - and the other developers in the Python
>> support for NetBeans, to shape up the future..
>
> I shall definitely give it a try and let you/group know the comments.
> I am sure, other members will give it a try too. :)


That's nice :-)

Best,
Amit
-- 
Amit Kumar Saha
http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From scorpion032 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 10:40:57 2009
From: scorpion032 at gmail.com (Lakshman Prasad)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:10:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans
	IDE for Python users here?)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0902270127j219bca69nc41b63e960d7d8a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0902270127j219bca69nc41b63e960d7d8a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d38edb550902270140q3ac1b89bt7815e27b0a33dfdb@mail.gmail.com>

While we are at the discussion about Py IDEs,

May I suggest an awesome thread on stackoverflow, discussing about Python
IDEs.

Here is my 2 cents to that thread:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584/what-ide-to-use-for-python/495355#495355

For all professional python developers, I think Wing IDE is simply the
choice, because it is the best IDE out there.

Reminds me of XKCD: http://xkcd.com/378/



On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> A little unrelated but nevertheless
>
> There was (and is) interest expressed in knowing about editing setups (
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/PresentationTopics).
>
> Since you're actively involved in developing IDEs and plugins, I think it
> would be great if you could volunteer a presentation on the topic for the
> next Bang Pypers meeting.
>
> --
> ~noufal
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


-- 
Regards,
Lakshman
uswaretech.com/
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:00:40 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:30:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans
	IDE for Python users here?)
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:

> [..]
>
> You- > 'me' ?
>
> on the Python support in NetBeans IDE support ?
> [..]


Yes.  Perhaps I should haven't truncated the whole mail. :)


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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:01:55 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:31:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans
	IDE for Python users here?)
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Lakshman Prasad <scorpion032 at gmail.com>wrote:

> [..]
> Here is my 2 cents to that thread:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584/what-ide-to-use-for-python/495355#495355
>

This looks like a good thread. Thanks.


> Reminds me of XKCD: http://xkcd.com/378/
>

I relate to that comic a little too much. :)


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~noufal
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From harpreetsingh101 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:03:23 2009
From: harpreetsingh101 at hotmail.com (Harpreet Singh)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:33:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers]  Turbogears Pydev debugging in Eclipse
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Hi,

I come from the .Net/visual studio environment and i am pretty new to the Turbogears 1.0.4.4 and/or python world.

I would like to know if pydev in Eclipse 3.2 supports breakpoint debugging of a Turbogears web application? 

If yes, this would mean setting a break point in the .py file and doing a step through/step into of the code, while the web page is displayed in the browser. Am i correct?

I have tried the work around mentioned in the pydev blog(http://pydev.blogspot.com/2006/07/configuring-pydev-to-work-with.html) i.e. patching the DecoratorTools-1.7-py2.4.egg but could not achieve what i think should be supported.

Is there a way to set it up?

 

Thanks,

Harpreet
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From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:08:44 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:38:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans
	IDE for Python users here?)
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>
>> You- > 'me' ?
>>
>> on the Python support in NetBeans IDE support ?
>> [..]
>
> Yes.? Perhaps I should haven't truncated the whole mail. :)

Sure.. I would love to :-)

-Amit
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:09:55 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:39:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans
	IDE for Python users here?)
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Lakshman Prasad <scorpion032 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>> Here is my 2 cents to that thread:
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584/what-ide-to-use-for-python/495355#495355
>
> This looks like a good thread. Thanks.
>
>>
>> Reminds me of XKCD: http://xkcd.com/378/

That IS good!

-Amit
>
> I relate to that comic a little too much. :)
>
>
> --
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>
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*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:15:15 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:45:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans
	IDE for Python users here?)
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:

> [..]
> Sure.. I would love to :-)
>

Capital! I've put your name next to the item on the wiki page. Going
strictly by what's there, it's the only item for which people are interested
*and* for which someone is willing to present something.

I'm guessing that there are some people around who are capable of presenting
some stuff on web development frameworks (say... web.py? *wink* *wink*). If
they're willing, we'd have two nice presentations lined up for next month.
:)

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From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:19:17 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:49:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans
	IDE for Python users here?)
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>> Sure.. I would love to :-)
>
> Capital! I've put your name next to the item on the wiki page. Going
> strictly by what's there, it's the only item for which people are interested
> *and* for which someone is willing to present something.

Did _I_ create the Bio  or is it a bot ?

-Amit

>
> I'm guessing that there are some people around who are capable of presenting
> some stuff on web development frameworks (say... web.py? *wink* *wink*). If
> they're willing, we'd have two nice presentations lined up for next month.
> :)
>
> --
> ~noufal
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



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http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:22:04 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:52:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Turbogears Pydev debugging in Eclipse
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	<BLU108-W39D2583202AF39C6B2163989AA0@phx.gbl>
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Harpreet Singh wrote:
> Hi,
> I come from the .Net/visual studio environment and i am pretty new to 
> the Turbogears 1.0.4.4 and/or python world.
> I would like to know if pydev in Eclipse 3.2 supports breakpoint 
> debugging of a Turbogears web application?
> If yes, this would mean setting a break point in the .py file and 
> doing a step through/step into of the code, while the web page is 
> displayed in the browser. Am i correct?
I am not sure how to do it in an IDE (for the fact I never used anything 
other than Emacs) but you should still be able to make use of pdb. It 
might not be as good as break point function you are looking for, but 
yes it allows you to step through the code (from the point you call 
pdb.set_trace()) in an web app. I have used it with Django and Pylons.

-- 
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From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:33:14 2009
From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:03:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do we have any NetBeans IDE for Python users here?
In-Reply-To: <547db2260902270103y7e53dbcfu37563d26578f375b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547db2260902270012j5983b643ia1bb45d6b109cb44@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10902270045j3cf2f76dqa84d79290fc93544@mail.gmail.com>
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Having not done any worth-mention active coding in past 2years, this is what
I write from memory :-)

OO Modelling and Visual Development, especially in terms of "free" UML
modelling support, in Netbeans 6.0/6.1 was far better than what was
available 'back-then' with Eclipse (I am talking of "free" tools). Also,
IMHO (and I know wars have started on such topics), from a initial
instialltion, download, deployment standpoing, the tight-packed Netbeans was
a bit easier to manage than Eclipse. However, my use of Eclipse and
Netbeans, and evaluation there-of, was for Java development.

For Python development (slight hobby, foo-bar programming), I've found
PyScripter (on Windows) to suffice in all respects, but a brief fling with
WingIDE showed that you can get that Eclipse mulitple-small window, multi
perspective 'type' features. I'm of the genre that likes their window
real-estate covered with multiple apps, and not 1 app hogging everything
micro-inch of screen space, so PyScripter, or Vim/Shell are what works for
me -- but then, it's enough for what I do.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> I had tried netbeans long time ago and I felt it was similar to
> >>> Eclipse. I could not get myself used to both.  :)
> >>
> >> *Long* time ago ?
> >
> > Yup, may be I tried not with w.r.t Python, but for C++ and I am not
> > really sure. I had got the DVD via postal mail or at FOSS.in
> > conference.  Yeah, It could be for C++ and noticing that Python plugin
> > was not there, I went for Eclipse.
> >
> > Good work Amit on the Docs. I glanced through it and it looks promising.
>
> Thanks!
> <I did some code too :-) >
>
> >
> > As you have already seem to know NETBEANS, can you help us by
> > illustrating some of the main differences whichs NETBEANS has (which
> > pydev or any other other IDE (Komodo, Wingware)) does not have?
>
> That is the exact reason I asked the BangPypers.
>
> I know and use Python in some of my scripts, for fun & learning,
> articles and foo bar tasks.. But I don't Python for a living or even a
> full time hobby.  So, my experience with other IDE's is merely having
> a 10 min or so look.. The largest Python program was a partially
> complete - Approximate Reasoning software-  was pretty large but I
> managed to manage it via IDLE. That was 1.5 years ago..So, my
> experience with IDEs is pretty limited..
>
> Your opinions will help me - and the other developers in the Python
> support for NetBeans, to shape up the future..
>
>
> Best,
> Amit
>
> >
> > It might be good to post to documentations pages as well.
> >
> > --
> > Senthil
> > _______________________________________________
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> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
> http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
> *Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in
>
> "Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
> --- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:35:22 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:05:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone going for this conference (Mar 12-14)
at Chennai ?

This used to be called LinuxAsia and had
the reputation of a conference for "suits".
Not sure how it is now.

There seems to a track for FOSS languages
the first day.

Let me know if someone is going (from Bangalore)
for this.

-- 
-Anand

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:37:01 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:07:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone going for this conference (Mar 12-14)
> at Chennai ?
>
> This used to be called LinuxAsia and had
> the reputation of a conference for "suits".
> Not sure how it is now.
>
> There seems to a track for FOSS languages
> the first day.
>
> Let me know if someone is going (from Bangalore)
> for this.

I have submitted a couple of talk proposals- DTrace, MySQL..So, if
selected, I will go.

Best,
Amit
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From stallomir at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:40:59 2009
From: stallomir at gmail.com (Mandar Gokhale)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:10:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <547db2260902270237w679bed8dg2285031ec750c912@mail.gmail.com>
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I can't seem to see a link for the conference. [Sorry if it is a problem
with my browser, etc] If not, could someone put up the link of the
conference in question?



-Regards,
Mandar

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anyone going for this conference (Mar 12-14)
> > at Chennai ?
> >
> > This used to be called LinuxAsia and had
> > the reputation of a conference for "suits".
> > Not sure how it is now.
> >
> > There seems to a track for FOSS languages
> > the first day.
> >
> > Let me know if someone is going (from Bangalore)
> > for this.
>
> I have submitted a couple of talk proposals- DTrace, MySQL..So, if
> selected, I will go.
>
> Best,
> Amit
> >
> > --
> > -Anand
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Amit Kumar Saha
> http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
> http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
> *Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in
>
> "Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
> --- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion
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From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:41:51 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:11:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <c3fb38580902270240h6feb7bu7a2b89638fa8aba8@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Mandar Gokhale <stallomir at gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't seem to see a link for the conference. [Sorry if it is a problem
> with my browser, etc] If not, could someone put up the link of the
> conference in question?

http://www.osidays.com

>
>
>
> -Regards,
> Mandar
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Anyone going for this conference (Mar 12-14)
>> > at Chennai ?
>> >
>> > This used to be called LinuxAsia and had
>> > the reputation of a conference for "suits".
>> > Not sure how it is now.
>> >
>> > There seems to a track for FOSS languages
>> > the first day.
>> >
>> > Let me know if someone is going (from Bangalore)
>> > for this.
>>
>> I have submitted a couple of talk proposals- DTrace, MySQL..So, if
>> selected, I will go.
>>
>> Best,
>> Amit
>> >
>> > --
>> > -Anand
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Amit Kumar Saha
>> http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
>> http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
>> *Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in
>>
>> "Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
>> --- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
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http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Feb 27 11:43:13 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:13:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902271613.13358.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Friday 27 February 2009 16:05:22 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> This used to be called LinuxAsia and had
> the reputation of a conference for "suits".
> Not sure how it is now.

afaik it still is for suits
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:50:56 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:20:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <200902271613.13358.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
	<200902271613.13358.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30902270250r5ef153c3t4f6b78aae240f514@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Friday 27 February 2009 16:05:22 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>> This used to be called LinuxAsia and had
>> the reputation of a conference for "suits".
>> Not sure how it is now.
>
> afaik it still is for suits

Dammit! I am desperately looking for a "real"
FOSS conference in India run by people who
actually contribute to FOSS without being eggheads
or making omlettes ! ;-)

I skip fsck.in, missed freed.in and it seems osidays
are for suits.  So where am I placed ?


> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Associate
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
-Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Feb 27 12:09:34 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:39:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902270250r5ef153c3t4f6b78aae240f514@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
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On Friday 27 February 2009 16:20:56 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> I skip fsck.in, missed freed.in and it seems osidays
> are for suits. ?So where am I placed ?

roll your own ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 12:13:53 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:43:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902270250r5ef153c3t4f6b78aae240f514@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
	<200902271613.13358.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> I skip fsck.in, missed freed.in and it seems osidays
> are for suits. ?So where am I placed ?

 +1. Lets have a PyCon India, on a the similar lines of Pycon,
community run.  Nothing big and fancy, but proper Developer | System
Administrator | user mini conference or a Python Activity Day.
Sometime later this year. I personally would not prefer fsck.in. Not
everone is a developer :P but with python you can become one in a few
hours. I still believe there is lot we can do in order to spread
python . Over past few years I have seen Ruby. Rails as a framework
picking up only with the hype around the technologies.


regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From satyaakam at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 12:17:53 2009
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:47:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902270250r5ef153c3t4f6b78aae240f514@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6491e1350902270317t6b63aaa0o663e1b59e94110c1@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
bpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>> On Friday 27 February 2009 16:05:22 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>>> This used to be called LinuxAsia and had
>>> the reputation of a conference for "suits".
>>> Not sure how it is now.
>>
>> afaik it still is for suits
>
> Dammit! I am desperately looking for a "real"
> FOSS conference in India run by people who
> actually contribute to FOSS without being eggheads
> or making omlettes ! ;-)
>
> I skip fsck.in, missed freed.in and it seems osidays
> are for suits. ?So where am I placed ?


Agreed this  how the landscape looks like you can join us @
http://www.lug-iitd.org/Delhi_Drupal_Meetup


-Satya
http://linkedin.com/in/satyaakam

From stallomir at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 12:19:10 2009
From: stallomir at gmail.com (Mandar Gokhale)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:49:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20902270313x7f8b0697p4c9bf1e4c4df690e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
	<200902271613.13358.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30902270250r5ef153c3t4f6b78aae240f514@mail.gmail.com>
	<def7ddf20902270313x7f8b0697p4c9bf1e4c4df690e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c3fb38580902270319u7e3b0c91p1577f0c67ef09826@mail.gmail.com>

A PyCon in India would be really good. It could serve as the starting point
for a bunch of amateurs like me (who have used it mostly as a scripting
language) to explore how Python is used in more large-scale applications.





-Regards,

Mandar









On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I skip fsck.in, missed freed.in and it seems osidays
> > are for suits.  So where am I placed ?
>
>  +1. Lets have a PyCon India, on a the similar lines of Pycon,
> community run.  Nothing big and fancy, but proper Developer | System
> Administrator | user mini conference or a Python Activity Day.
> Sometime later this year. I personally would not prefer fsck.in. Not
> everone is a developer :P but with python you can become one in a few
> hours. I still believe there is lot we can do in order to spread
> python . Over past few years I have seen Ruby. Rails as a framework
> picking up only with the hype around the technologies.
>
>
> regards
> --
> Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
> Key ID:31FF0090
> Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 12:21:36 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:51:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20902270313x7f8b0697p4c9bf1e4c4df690e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I skip fsck.in, missed freed.in and it seems osidays
>> are for suits. ?So where am I placed ?
>
> ?+1. Lets have a PyCon India, on a the similar lines of Pycon,
> community run. ?Nothing big and fancy, but proper Developer | System
> Administrator | user mini conference or a Python Activity Day.
> Sometime later this year. I personally would not prefer fsck.in. Not
> everone is a developer :P but with python you can become one in a few
> hours. I still believe there is lot we can do in order to spread
> python . Over past few years I have seen Ruby. Rails as a framework
> picking up only with the hype around the technologies.

+1  for this (for long time, it must be now carrying interest).
We have mooted this idea here and even tried to pull one
but I guess the planning was not good.

I think a conference where everything down from concept,
planning, motives and finances were open and not
controlled by a secret cabal is what we want.  It should
be for developers, but for anyone who has even written
only one line of code in Python.  Still, it should not be
too generic so that it becomes an unconference.

Also, we will accept all fruits and vegetables,
including high and low hanging, not just people making
omlettes ;)

I think, if we can get a discussion going around this topic,
we can form ideas concrete enough to organize
PyCon India at least in 2010.

>
>
> regards
> --
> Ramakrishna Reddy ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? GPG
> Key ID:31FF0090
> Fingerprint = ?18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F ?32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


Regards,

-- 
-Anand

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 12:24:32 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:54:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902270321r1d753575w1731dad3af92b31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I skip fsck.in, missed freed.in and it seems osidays
>>> are for suits. ?So where am I placed ?
>>
>> ?+1. Lets have a PyCon India, on a the similar lines of Pycon,
>> community run. ?Nothing big and fancy, but proper Developer | System
>> Administrator | user mini conference or a Python Activity Day.
>> Sometime later this year. I personally would not prefer fsck.in. Not
>> everone is a developer :P but with python you can become one in a few
>> hours. I still believe there is lot we can do in order to spread
>> python . Over past few years I have seen Ruby. Rails as a framework
>> picking up only with the hype around the technologies.
>
> +1 ?for this (for long time, it must be now carrying interest).
> We have mooted this idea here and even tried to pull one
> but I guess the planning was not good.
>
> I think a conference where everything down from concept,
> planning, motives and finances were open and not
> controlled by a secret cabal is what we want. ?It should
> be for developers, but for anyone who has even written
> only one line of code in Python. ?Still, it should not be
> too generic so that it becomes an unconference.
>
> Also, we will accept all fruits and vegetables,
> including high and low hanging, not just people making
> omlettes ;)

Lol.


>
> I think, if we can get a discussion going around this topic,
> we can form ideas concrete enough to organize
> PyCon India at least in 2010.

+1

-Amit
>
>>
>>
>> regards
>> --
>> Ramakrishna Reddy ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? GPG
>> Key ID:31FF0090
>> Fingerprint = ?18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F ?32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Amit Kumar Saha
http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Feb 27 12:34:51 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:04:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902270321r1d753575w1731dad3af92b31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
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On Friday 27 February 2009 16:51:36 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> I think, if we can get a discussion going around this topic,
> we can form ideas concrete enough to organize
> PyCon India at least in 2010.

ok september in Bangalore will give us enough time to plan - lets fix a date 
(maybe 3 days) and go ahead.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Fri Feb 27 12:44:02 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:14:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20902270313x7f8b0697p4c9bf1e4c4df690e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
	<200902271613.13358.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30902270250r5ef153c3t4f6b78aae240f514@mail.gmail.com>
	<def7ddf20902270313x7f8b0697p4c9bf1e4c4df690e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0902270344r448a5e09l8925c0dccaa70655@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I skip fsck.in, missed freed.in and it seems osidays
>> are for suits. ?So where am I placed ?
>
> ?+1. Lets have a PyCon India, on a the similar lines of Pycon,
> community run. ?Nothing big and fancy, but proper Developer | System
> Administrator | user mini conference or a Python Activity Day.

+1 for PyCon India idea.  As Kenneth suggested 3 days would be fine.
I am suggesting September 4,5 & 6 (Friday, Saturday, Sunday)

Regards,
Baiju M

From ramdas at developeriq.com  Fri Feb 27 12:44:24 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:14:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <547db2260902270324j511c3b75r790eabb6ac129684@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
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	<def7ddf20902270313x7f8b0697p4c9bf1e4c4df690e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30902270321r1d753575w1731dad3af92b31@mail.gmail.com>
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Last time when we tried which was 2 years back, we actually had three to
four sponsors willing to cough up something like 10-20 K each which was
pretty good to organize a single day event.

If I remember to do an event in Bangalore at St Joseph College Auditorium,
our budget was around 40-50 K which included a CD and T Shirt each for
approx 200 participants.

We even planned to charge a delegate fee of Rs 99/ which would have covered
lunch and refreshments, plus housekeeping charges.

Things fizzled out since few were willing to volunteer beyond a point. What
we require is some legs (young and old) to run around.

Btw the Barcamp guys had offered to actually host a Python conference within
their unconference. So that could also be a start. Someone need to hook up

Ramdas

I

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Amit k. Saha <amitsaha.in at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> >> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I skip fsck.in, missed freed.in and it seems osidays
> >>> are for suits.  So where am I placed ?
> >>
> >>  +1. Lets have a PyCon India, on a the similar lines of Pycon,
> >> community run.  Nothing big and fancy, but proper Developer | System
> >> Administrator | user mini conference or a Python Activity Day.
> >> Sometime later this year. I personally would not prefer fsck.in. Not
> >> everone is a developer :P but with python you can become one in a few
> >> hours. I still believe there is lot we can do in order to spread
> >> python . Over past few years I have seen Ruby. Rails as a framework
> >> picking up only with the hype around the technologies.
> >
> > +1  for this (for long time, it must be now carrying interest).
> > We have mooted this idea here and even tried to pull one
> > but I guess the planning was not good.
> >
> > I think a conference where everything down from concept,
> > planning, motives and finances were open and not
> > controlled by a secret cabal is what we want.  It should
> > be for developers, but for anyone who has even written
> > only one line of code in Python.  Still, it should not be
> > too generic so that it becomes an unconference.
> >
> > Also, we will accept all fruits and vegetables,
> > including high and low hanging, not just people making
> > omlettes ;)
>
> Lol.
>
>
> >
> > I think, if we can get a discussion going around this topic,
> > we can form ideas concrete enough to organize
> > PyCon India at least in 2010.
>
> +1
>
> -Amit
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> regards
> >> --
> >> Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
> >> Key ID:31FF0090
> >> Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> BangPypers mailing list
> >> BangPypers at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >>
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > -Anand
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Amit Kumar Saha
> http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
> http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
> *Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in
>
> "Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
> --- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion
> _______________________________________________
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 12:45:41 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:15:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Friday 27 February 2009 16:51:36 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>> I think, if we can get a discussion going around this topic,
>> we can form ideas concrete enough to organize
>> PyCon India at least in 2010.
>
> ok september in Bangalore will give us enough time to plan - lets fix a date
> (maybe 3 days) and go ahead.

You mean plan for a Sep 09 conference, or Sep 10 ?

And shouldn't we form the mandatory top-level conference
committee of supreme overlords who will have absolute oversight
on everything ?

Btw, we would also need a BDFL also, where "B" stands for
"Benevolent" not "Benefactor", as it seems to do in some
cases. Kenneth, why don't you take the lead here :)

Ok, I guess I had enough fun... I really think we should
form a plan for this. As a first step I suggest forming a mailing
list to discuss only this topic and get Jeff Rush into the conspiracy.
I would request Jeff to create a Pycon India discussion mailing
list on Python.org if it sounds good to others.



> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Associate
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


Regards,

-- 
-Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 12:49:26 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:19:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00902270344i166d8a9fr8d8f75e8dfedcae8@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:
> Last time when we tried which was 2 years back, we actually had three to
> four sponsors willing to cough up something like 10-20 K each which was
> pretty good to organize a single day event.
>
> If I remember to do an event in Bangalore at St Joseph College Auditorium,
> our budget was around 40-50 K which included a CD and T Shirt each for
> approx 200 participants.
>
> We even planned to charge a delegate fee of Rs 99/ which would have covered
> lunch and refreshments, plus housekeeping charges.
>
> Things fizzled out since few were willing to volunteer beyond a point. What
> we require is some legs (young and old) to run around.
>
> Btw the Barcamp guys had offered to actually host a Python conference within
> their unconference. So that could also be a start. Someone need to hook up
>

Frankly, I dislike going this way. For one, it spreads energies
and barcamp is definitely an unconference. I think the first PyCon
India, if it ever happens should be a regular conference.

Let us not confuse ourselves right from the start. Barcamp
is barcamp, not pycamp, period.

> Ramdas
>
> I
>


-- 
-Anand

From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 13:01:14 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit k. Saha)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:31:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:
>> Last time when we tried which was 2 years back, we actually had three to
>> four sponsors willing to cough up something like 10-20 K each which was
>> pretty good to organize a single day event.
>>
>> If I remember to do an event in Bangalore at St Joseph College Auditorium,
>> our budget was around 40-50 K which included a CD and T Shirt each for
>> approx 200 participants.
>>
>> We even planned to charge a delegate fee of Rs 99/ which would have covered
>> lunch and refreshments, plus housekeeping charges.
>>
>> Things fizzled out since few were willing to volunteer beyond a point. What
>> we require is some legs (young and old) to run around.
>>
>> Btw the Barcamp guys had offered to actually host a Python conference within
>> their unconference. So that could also be a start. Someone need to hook up
>>
>
> Frankly, I dislike going this way. For one, it spreads energies
> and barcamp is definitely an unconference. I think the first PyCon
> India, if it ever happens should be a regular conference.
>
> Let us not confuse ourselves right from the start. Barcamp
> is barcamp, not pycamp, period.

+1.

PyCon India should be just what it is and not be piggybacking (If I
may use that term?) on Barcamp.

Bets,
Amit


>
>> Ramdas
>>
>> I
>>
>
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
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http://amitksaha.blogspot.com
http://amitsaha.in.googlepages.com/
*Bangalore Open Java Users Group*:http:www.bojug.in

"Recursion is the basic iteration mechanism in Scheme"
--- http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TailRecursion

From ramdas at developeriq.com  Fri Feb 27 13:04:02 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:34:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902270349i50b8686dt956f429cabb3e83d@mail.gmail.com>
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>
>
> Frankly, I dislike going this way. For one, it spreads energies
> and barcamp is definitely an unconference. I think the first PyCon
> India, if it ever happens should be a regular conference.
>
> Let us not confuse ourselves right from the start. Barcamp
> is barcamp, not pycamp, period.
>

No I am just updating the back references for benefit of new members.

I agree that a conference should be a conference.

This years Pycon is a nine day event with tutorials and development sprints.


I am OK even with a 2 day event, since its the first time around, with a
third day for options such as sprints, BOFs or tutorials

Ramdas

Anand,

Can you find out whether there are any obligations we may have for using
Pycon name?


> > Ramdas
> >
> > I
> >
>
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
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From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 13:17:51 2009
From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:47:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:

>
> Btw the Barcamp guys had offered to actually host a Python conference
> within their unconference. So that could also be a start. Someone need to
> hook up
>
I was just about to suggest holding a Python-track within BCB8, when I saw
this post.

BCB8 is happening in Yahoo premisis... and the "unconference" atmosphere
rocks, unless one is a big-fan of the IEEE and ACM style "bow-tie & tuxedo"
conferences (ps> I know that IEEE and ACM conferences are not "bow-tie &
tuxedo" type, just to make a point about the "open", "unstructured",
"flexible" style of information exchange).

This could very well be run as BoF, and people get to enjoy the other BCB
tracks like "dating", "rubicks cube", "martial arts" etc. :-)

-- 
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Banibrata
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From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 13:19:00 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:49:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
Message-ID: <def7ddf20902270419j3174891dnd80ba5a4d8c4ae17@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks

I have put up a small wiki page for a PyCon India.
http://wiki.python.org/moin/ProposalForPyConIndia . Please feel free
to share your ideas on the wiki. though we can thoroughly discuss the
possibility of the conference dates, agenda, etc in this mailling list
or have meetings on the #BangPypers on irc.freenode.org . I'll write a
mail to David Goodger of PSF expressing the idea for an Indian edition
of the conference. and for using the PyCon title for the Indian
version of it. Hopefully we can pull of an event this year or early
next year.

regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
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From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Fri Feb 27 13:19:43 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:49:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:
> Can you find out whether there are any obligations we may have for using
> Pycon name?

In fact, Python Community encourage it, see:
http://www.pycon.org/


Regards,
Baiju M

From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 13:21:09 2009
From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:51:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:
> > Last time when we tried which was 2 years back, we actually had three to
> > four sponsors willing to cough up something like 10-20 K each which was
> > pretty good to organize a single day event.
> >
> > If I remember to do an event in Bangalore at St Joseph College
> Auditorium,
> > our budget was around 40-50 K which included a CD and T Shirt each for
> > approx 200 participants.
> >
> > We even planned to charge a delegate fee of Rs 99/ which would have
> covered
> > lunch and refreshments, plus housekeeping charges.
> >
> > Things fizzled out since few were willing to volunteer beyond a point.
> What
> > we require is some legs (young and old) to run around.
> >
> > Btw the Barcamp guys had offered to actually host a Python conference
> within
> > their unconference. So that could also be a start. Someone need to hook
> up
> >
>
> Frankly, I dislike going this way. For one, it spreads energies
> and barcamp is definitely an unconference. I think the first PyCon
> India, if it ever happens should be a regular conference.
>
> Let us not confuse ourselves right from the start. Barcamp
> is barcamp, not pycamp, period.
>

Obviously, it'd be pointless to call a track in Barcamp -- PyCon or PyCamp.
Why not use the Barcamp track just for kicking up some dust about PyCamp and
PyCon ? Unless one is strongly allergic to Barcamp in general, the show of
hands in such a track, could be a good measure of what participation one may
expect (from Bangalore) in PyCon-India, when it happens.


>
> > Ramdas
> >
> > I
> >
>
>
> --
>  -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From scorpion032 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 13:24:10 2009
From: scorpion032 at gmail.com (Lakshman Prasad)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:54:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
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+1 for the PyCon India. A 3 day event. I think its high time!

If not a Conference or a Track within barcamp, which is next weekend (March
7 and 8) at Yahoo EGL campus, I think we could do with a few more technical
sessions of Python. The event this time around is a technology focussed
event and many sessions are regisetered even related to python, web
frameworks, django etc. I think some people of this list register sessions
on things like Py3k porting, Py internals, for instance.


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:

>
>
>>
>> Frankly, I dislike going this way. For one, it spreads energies
>> and barcamp is definitely an unconference. I think the first PyCon
>> India, if it ever happens should be a regular conference.
>>
>> Let us not confuse ourselves right from the start. Barcamp
>> is barcamp, not pycamp, period.
>>
>
> No I am just updating the back references for benefit of new members.
>
> I agree that a conference should be a conference.
>
> This years Pycon is a nine day event with tutorials and development
> sprints.
>
> I am OK even with a 2 day event, since its the first time around, with a
> third day for options such as sprints, BOFs or tutorials
>
> Ramdas
>
> Anand,
>
> Can you find out whether there are any obligations we may have for using
> Pycon name?
>
>
>> > Ramdas
>> >
>> > I
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Anand
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Feb 27 13:23:14 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:53:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon India [was] Open source India
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On Friday 27 February 2009 17:19:26 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > Btw the Barcamp guys had offered to actually host a Python conference
> > within their unconference. So that could also be a start. Someone need to
> > hook up
>
> Frankly, I dislike going this way. For one, it spreads energies
> and barcamp is definitely an unconference. I think the first PyCon
> India, if it ever happens should be a regular conference.
>
> Let us not confuse ourselves right from the start. Barcamp
> is barcamp, not pycamp, period.

ok. So we expect professionalism here. Which means that delegates would be 
motivated enough to pay for their travel and accommodation, and also pay a 
registration fee. Generally in India there is a class of person who only comes 
if travel, accommodation are looked after and if attendance is free. People 
should be able to find their own sponsors if they cannot afford it. 

Secondly, foreign conferences are usually planned at least a year in advance. 
Whereas we do things 2 months in advance. Here, given it is the first one and 
that it will not be very ambitious, I think 6 months is ok.

Through NRC-FOSS I have a fair amount of organisational resources at my 
command, But we are Chennai/Ooty based and hence need some one local also. If 
we can agree on these basics, we can go to the next stage. btw, it is 
premature to start a fresh mailing list or an organising committee at this 
stage. Lets keep it on this list - after all there isnt such a huge amount of 
traffic to be disrupted here.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Fri Feb 27 13:27:59 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:57:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon India [was] Open source India
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> btw, it is premature to start a fresh mailing list or an organising committee at this
> stage. Lets keep it on this list - after all there isnt such a huge amount of
> traffic to be disrupted here.

+1

--
Baiju M

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 13:46:47 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:16:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon India [was] Open source India
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>> btw, it is premature to start a fresh mailing list or an organising committee at this
>> stage. Lets keep it on this list - after all there isnt such a huge amount of
>> traffic to be disrupted here.

I agree.

-1 for separate mailing list.

I have come to believe this process of natural evolution :-)

So along those lines, if we keep having the BangPypers meeting every
month for next couple of months, then we naturally are going to have a
PyCon India meetup.

What do you think?

And btw, it would be good if [pypers for pypers in states_of_india]
also come forward and pitch with their ideas and contributions as we
evolve.

Thanks,
Senthil

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 14:08:38 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:38:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Banibrata Dutta
<banibrata.dutta at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Obviously, it'd be pointless to call a track in Barcamp -- PyCon or PyCamp.
> Why not use the Barcamp track just for kicking up some dust about PyCamp and
> PyCon ? Unless one is strongly allergic to Barcamp in general, the show of
> hands in such a track, could be a good measure of what participation one may
> expect (from Bangalore) in PyCon-India, when it happens.

Nope. Perhaps my statement was confusing. I am in no way
allergic to barcamp. I think it is a great concept and it works very
well too. What I was suggesting was that we should not be bringing
up barcamp everytime one suggests PyCon India. We can definitely
discuss Python in barcamp and have a BoF to even discuss
PyCon India ideas at Barcamp.

My point is that whenever a PyCon India happens, it has to
be physically a different entity from Barcamp. PyCon India
should have its own identity, so to speak.

>
>>
>> > Ramdas
>> >
>> > I
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Anand
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
>
> --
> regards,
> Banibrata
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bdutta
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>
>



-- 
-Anand

From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 14:11:01 2009
From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:41:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902270508i2b70fd4cu9cd425e0e4438ecd@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Banibrata Dutta
> <banibrata.dutta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Obviously, it'd be pointless to call a track in Barcamp -- PyCon or
> PyCamp.
> > Why not use the Barcamp track just for kicking up some dust about PyCamp
> and
> > PyCon ? Unless one is strongly allergic to Barcamp in general, the show
> of
> > hands in such a track, could be a good measure of what participation one
> may
> > expect (from Bangalore) in PyCon-India, when it happens.
>
> Nope. Perhaps my statement was confusing. I am in no way
> allergic to barcamp. I think it is a great concept and it works very
> well too. What I was suggesting was that we should not be bringing
> up barcamp everytime one suggests PyCon India. We can definitely
> discuss Python in barcamp and have a BoF to even discuss
> PyCon India ideas at Barcamp.
>
> My point is that whenever a PyCon India happens, it has to
> be physically a different entity from Barcamp. PyCon India
> should have its own identity, so to speak.


Absolutely. No doubts, questions or contentions about that.
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From ramdas at developeriq.com  Fri Feb 27 14:17:11 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:47:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20902270419j3174891dnd80ba5a4d8c4ae17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20902270419j3174891dnd80ba5a4d8c4ae17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00902270517g4a28d777n45840b00154b046@mail.gmail.com>

Good!

Let's keep the momentum going....

I propose that we have a meeting soon to discuss this.
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 14:25:09 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:55:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00902270517g4a28d777n45840b00154b046@mail.gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20902270419j3174891dnd80ba5a4d8c4ae17@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:
> Good!
>
> Let's keep the momentum going....
>
> I propose that we have a meeting soon to discuss this.

Updated this with a "Community Discussion" section. Please enter
individual comments there, so that we don't modify the main body.
Later on we can integrate to the main proposal if required.

I think if this has to work, a group has to produce something like
a formal proposal on what the conference is about. A writeup on
the goals and agenda of the proposed conference is essential
for approaching sponsors.


>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
-Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 14:31:50 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:01:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30902270525t4c3cb00bx344226e3afafa4f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20902270419j3174891dnd80ba5a4d8c4ae17@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00902270517g4a28d777n45840b00154b046@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> [..]
>
>
> I think if this has to work, a group has to produce something like
> a formal proposal on what the conference is about. A writeup on
> the goals and agenda of the proposed conference is essential
> for approaching sponsors.
>
>
I checked out the page. I can probably pitch in for stuff like writing the
proposal and talking to companies.


-- 
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 14:49:45 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:19:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <3de8e1f70902270511m55ac783fw12a3c9fcdebe8e28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
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+1 for a 'dedicated' PyCon.
-1 for along with BarCamp.

-V-
http://twitter.com/venkat83
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From ranganaths at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 14:51:29 2009
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:21:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <a3b05e8b0902270549n4e370d64n52c7a20d0aa9ae62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <77bb36840902270551x30dc926fs74afdbae3ccc45fd@mail.gmail.com>

+1 pycon but make sure its not an alias of barcamp!

-R


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 for a 'dedicated' PyCon.
> -1 for along with BarCamp.
>
> -V-
> http://twitter.com/venkat83
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>


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From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Fri Feb 27 15:30:18 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:00:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0902270531v25e10a0ftbd45b3ffa0cc06fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20902270419j3174891dnd80ba5a4d8c4ae17@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Noufal,

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> I checked out the page. I can probably pitch in for stuff like writing the
> proposal and talking to companies.

I would suggest to use wiki for writing draft proposal.  So, others can
participate easily.

Regards,
Baiju M

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Feb 27 15:31:59 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:01:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0902270630n15a728dbxa311e7bc5d3238fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20902270419j3174891dnd80ba5a4d8c4ae17@mail.gmail.com>
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On Friday 27 February 2009 20:00:18 Baiju M wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I checked out the page. I can probably pitch in for stuff like writing
> > the proposal and talking to companies.
>
> I would suggest to use wiki for writing draft proposal. ?So, others can
> participate easily.

and commit early and commit often
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From vimalmenon at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 27 15:39:33 2009
From: vimalmenon at yahoo.com (Vimal Menon)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:39:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
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Yes exactly , why use pycon? lets name it something innovative and attractive which sounds less formal and more friendly .. a name which quickly came to my mind is IndiePy .. haha. Lets start something innovative :) .. people will visit pycon for what pycon is and our conference (say X ) for what X is. 

Regards,
Vimal 




________________________________
From: Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com>
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:34:02 PM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Open source India





Frankly, I dislike going this way. For one, it spreads energies
and barcamp is definitely an unconference. I think the first PyCon
India, if it ever happens should be a regular conference.

Let us not confuse ourselves right from the start. Barcamp
is barcamp, not pycamp, period.


No I am just updating the back references for benefit of new members.

I agree that a conference should be a conference. 

This years Pycon is a nine day event with tutorials and development sprints. 

I am OK even with a 2 day event, since its the first time around, with a third day for options such as sprints, BOFs or tutorials

Ramdas 

Anand,

Can you find out whether there are any obligations we may have for using Pycon name?



> Ramdas
>
> I
>


--

-Anand
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Feb 27 15:48:00 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:18:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <853241.52109.qm@web110713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <8548c5f30902270235h7ca83c0ay995baae722b8d174@mail.gmail.com>
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On Friday 27 February 2009 20:09:33 Vimal Menon wrote:
> Yes exactly , why use pycon? lets name it something innovative and
> attractive which sounds less formal and more friendly .. a name which
> quickly came to my mind is IndiePy .. haha. Lets start something innovative
> :) .. people will visit pycon for what pycon is and our conference (say X )
> for what X is.

-100000000000000000000000000
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 15:59:48 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:29:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open source India
In-Reply-To: <853241.52109.qm@web110713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Vimal Menon wrote:
> Yes exactly , why use pycon? lets name it something innovative and 
> attractive which sounds less formal and more friendly
>
python.in :D

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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 16:57:59 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:27:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans
	IDE for Python users here?)
In-Reply-To: <547db2260902270219l75685014sce1aa032ff1d0010@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <a3b05e8b0902270757g5988953p19b4c74d660e630d@mail.gmail.com>

On a related note : http://jjinux.blogspot.com/search?q=netbeans

-V-
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From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 04:58:13 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:28:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Friday 27 February 2009 20:00:18 Baiju M wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > I checked out the page. I can probably pitch in for stuff like writing
> > > the proposal and talking to companies.
> >
> > I would suggest to use wiki for writing draft proposal.  So, others can
> > participate easily.
>
> and commit early and commit often


Good ideas. I have a page at
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaProposalDraft which I'm working on.
Please take a look.


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From sibteym at infotechsw.com  Sat Feb 28 07:17:16 2009
From: sibteym at infotechsw.com (Sibtey Mehdi)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:47:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0902271958w2e0791e5i160b7416e9ffe1cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c9996c$342cf8d0$5fc513ac@pwit.com>

How do you promote the pyCon-India? I think the people who are working in
Bangalore or subscribed to the bangpypers know about this but what about the
others python programmers working in different locations in India.

 

Sibtey Mehdi

 

> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I checked out the page. I can probably pitch in for stuff like writing
> > the proposal and talking to companies.
>
> I would suggest to use wiki for writing draft proposal.  So, others can
> participate easily.

and commit early and commit often


Good ideas. I have a page at
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaProposalDraft which I'm working on.
Please take a look.


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From ramdas at developeriq.com  Sat Feb 28 07:25:21 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:55:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
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You can start by announcing it in

1) All User Groups -- like django, TG, Pylons, etc. There are a few hundred
user groups.. It is viral.

2) Bloggers can start blogging about it.

3) We can have a few magazines as Media sponsors. We can get the ads
bartered.

4) Target LUGs. There are lots of Python fans there.

5) Get a few high profile bloggers in India and abroad to write about it.
Personal requests will help.

6) Its extremely important to get the big cos which has some interest in
Python involved. say Google. They can help evangelizing the conference.

7) If we are officially Pycon India, then don't worry, there will be
automatic links out of most Python related sites. You can bet that anyone
who's interested in Python will be visiting one such places in the next 5-6
months.

All the above steps will give you 99% of the target audience.

I think all these activities will cost absolutely nothing expect some
efforts from your home/office in your spare time.


Ramdas
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Sibtey Mehdi <sibteym at infotechsw.com>wrote:

>  How do you promote the pyCon-India? I think the people who are working in
> Bangalore or subscribed to the bangpypers know about this but what about the
> others python programmers working in different locations in India.
>
>
>
> Sibtey Mehdi
>
>
>
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > I checked out the page. I can probably pitch in for stuff like writing
> > > the proposal and talking to companies.
> >
> > I would suggest to use wiki for writing draft proposal.  So, others can
> > participate easily.
>
> and commit early and commit often
>
>
> Good ideas. I have a page at
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaProposalDraft which I'm working on.
> Please take a look.
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
>
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From vid at svaksha.com  Sat Feb 28 07:37:46 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (VidA)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:07:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 09:28, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I checked out the page. I can probably pitch in for stuff like writing
>> > > the proposal and talking to companies.

i would help with the above (and the local media) but wanted to
discuss some things on thelist instead of editing the wiki and
annoying folks.

> Good ideas. I have a page at
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaProposalDraft which I'm working on.

0. Should'nt this page include the proposed dates (September 4,5,6
(Baiju M)) or is that still under discussion ?
1. The Aims listed on the Draft page are huge in terms of scope and
would take more than one conference to achieve.
2. Would this be held only in Bangalore or would it be possible for
local groups in different cities to hold their own 1/2/3 day events?


The "ProposalForPyConIndia" wiki page has a community discussion
section with varying opinions. Before editing I wanted to clarify the
following:

0. Earlier discussions on this list gave an impression of the conf
being open to all (read newbies) but this is not clear on this wiki
page. Has that changed?
1. Please clarify/define "dedicated conference". (As in, is the pyconf
open to people like me who "dont code for a living" and yet grok
technical concepts?)

+1 for the low budget, sans swag concept but some clarity on what is
the scope of the event, since its being held here for the first time,
would be a lot nicer.  The conf planning page was a nice read :) so
how about a "volunteers" page ?

-- 
|| Vid || http://www.svaksha.com ||

From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Sat Feb 28 07:53:13 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:23:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, VidA <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:

> 2. Would this be held only in Bangalore or would it be possible for
> local groups in different cities to hold their own 1/2/3 day events?

+1 for hosting PyCon India in other cities in coming years.

> 0. Earlier discussions on this list gave an impression of the conf
> being open to all (read newbies) but this is not clear on this wiki
> page. Has that changed?
> 1. Please clarify/define "dedicated conference". (As in, is the pyconf
> open to people like me who "dont code for a living" and yet grok
> technical concepts?)

The PyCon (US) used to accept everyone, including newbies; sometimes
non-coders also coming as speakers.  They have tutorials targeting
non-hard-core programmers.  Remember, Python is a language which can be
learned within one month (or one week ? ;)

Regards,
Baiju M

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 08:26:50 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:56:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
In-Reply-To: <12470af00902272237t857ce04v68ab055811961368@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, VidA <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 09:28, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
>
> 0. Should'nt this page include the proposed dates (September 4,5,6
> (Baiju M)) or is that still under discussion ?


Makes sense. I will add that as well.


> 1. The Aims listed on the Draft page are huge in terms of scope and
> would take more than one conference to achieve.


Best aim for the stars. In any case, I wanted to start us off. I'm not
really clear on what a 'proposal' should contain as of now. We should trim
down the aims though.


> 2. Would this be held only in Bangalore or would it be possible for
> local groups in different cities to hold their own 1/2/3 day events?


I'm not sure if any of the other python groups in India are planning a
conference, if so, I think we should talk with them to decide the venue. If
not, we can (atleast this year) hold it in BAngalore somewhere.


> The "ProposalForPyConIndia" wiki page has a community discussion
> section with varying opinions. Before editing I wanted to clarify the
> following:
>
> 0. Earlier discussions on this list gave an impression of the conf
> being open to all (read newbies) but this is not clear on this wiki
> page. Has that changed?


I think it should not become a "Newbies only" thing. People who have been
hacking python for a long time should have good reason to come as well as
the newbie.


> 1. Please clarify/define "dedicated conference". (As in, is the pyconf
> open to people like me who "dont code for a living" and yet grok
> technical concepts?)


*Dedicated* meaning that we're not planing to be part of a larger event like
foss.in. *Conference* meaning that we have a structure and some formality as
opposed to barcamp.


> +1 for the low budget, sans swag concept but some clarity on what is
> the scope of the event, since its being held here for the first time,
> would be a lot nicer.  The conf planning page was a nice read :) so
> how about a "volunteers" page ?


Youre' right. We should try to keep the costs low. I however don't want to
miss anything which we want and hence went for a rather over the board
proposal (as you've noted). Let's work on trimming it down.


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From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 08:29:47 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:59:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:

> You can start by announcing it in
>
> 1) All User Groups -- like django, TG, Pylons, etc. There are a few hundred
> user groups.. It is viral.
> [..]
> All the above steps will give you 99% of the target audience.
>
> I think all these activities will cost absolutely nothing expect some
> efforts from your home/office in your spare time.
>

These are excellent Ramdas. I will put them up on the wiki.


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From gnuyoga at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 08:33:32 2009
From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?KOCktuCljeCksOClgCkgU3JlZWthbnRoIEI=?=)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:03:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, VidA <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
>
> > 2. Would this be held only in Bangalore or would it be possible for
> > local groups in different cities to hold their own 1/2/3 day events?
>
> +1 for hosting PyCon India in other cities in coming years.


In short the event can move to different city every year !

- sree




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From mbaiju at zeomega.net  Sat Feb 28 08:42:11 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.net (Baiju M)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 13:12:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 1:03 PM, (????) Sreekanth B <gnuyoga at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, VidA <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
>>
>> > 2. Would this be held only in Bangalore or would it be possible for
>> > local groups in different cities to hold their own 1/2/3 day events?
>>
>> +1 for hosting PyCon India in other cities in coming years.
>
> In short the event can move to different city every year !

We can discuss about the next city on 3rd day of PyCon India 2009 :)

Regards,
Baiju M

From vid at svaksha.com  Sat Feb 28 10:44:49 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (VidA)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:14:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
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Hi,

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:23, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.net> wrote:
> +1 for hosting PyCon India in other cities in coming years.

Suggestions for future events (maybe 2010/11(?)) :

+ Alternatively PyCon-India could be held multiple times in a year, in
each city which finds enough volunteers (read critical mass) to get
such an event going.
+ Heard a Colombian researcher (at the national coalition meet last
week) mention that they hold a day long event for Libre software
across 20 cities all over South America. They do this simultaneously
as a Libre s/w event.  Am not sure if a Python-only event will scale
that well across cities.

Anyway, ideas dont cost (not as much as implementing them :))



> The PyCon (US) used to accept everyone, including newbies; sometimes
> non-coders also coming as speakers.  They have tutorials targeting
> non-hard-core programmers.  Remember, Python is a language which can be
> learned within one month (or one week ? ;)

+1.


On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:56, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Best aim for the stars. In any case, I wanted to start us off. I'm not
> really clear on what a 'proposal' should contain as of now. We should trim
> down the aims though.

Yup, ground events/meets/(un)confs is definitely where the action and
(daresay) fun is :) My point was wrt the sponsors POV, who may (or
not) come on board in future, especially if promised the stars and
left undelivered. Not to suggest this will happen but a smaller set of
expectations is easier to achieve.  Maybe a stock-taking "after" the
event, if need be ??


> I think it should not become a "Newbies only" thing. People who have been
> hacking python for a long time should have good reason to come as well as
> the newbie.

true, this also depends on how the tracks/sessions are planned,
speakers, etc... which a structured conf has more control over, unlike
say an unconference (the analogy is probably not correct since the
focus is different for each event).


> Dedicated meaning that we're not planing to be part of a larger event like
> foss.in.

vielen danke for including low hanging fruit like me :)


@Bani : Hi *wave* long time no see :)

-- 
|| Vid || http://www.svaksha.com ||

From rmathews at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 10:48:31 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:18:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM, VidA <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
Maybe we should stick to the Wiki for the discussion with maybe weekly
reminders here that the discussion is going on there. :)

~Roshan

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 15:21:02 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:51:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Reply from David Goodger about PyCon
Message-ID: <9963e56e0902280621v6f42fbf8n817ee397cbbc6520@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings people,
   I have pasted below the mail I received from David G. when I asked
him about the conference. Do take a look. I didn't know that he was
the directory of the PSF. :-}

Thanks


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi,

I'm sure that you'll be welcome to use the PyCon name for a community
conference in India. There are several other national or regional
PyCons out there, and we encourage their proliferation. The only thing
we want to avoid is competing events in the same region, so ask that
you cooperate with all interested groups and operate in an open and
inclusive manner.

Please write to psf at python.org for official permission. Be sure to
describe the type of conference -- the term "PyCon" is associated with
a volunteer-run community conference. We can also offer subdomain
registration; in.pycon.org could point to your server, or to a site on
the server we're using for the US PyCon.

Good luck!

David Goodger
PyCon 2009 Chair
Director, Python Software Foundation


-- 
~noufal

From ramdas at developeriq.com  Sat Feb 28 20:12:42 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:42:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Reply from David Goodger about PyCon
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0902280621v6f42fbf8n817ee397cbbc6520@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0902280621v6f42fbf8n817ee397cbbc6520@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00902281112o4a081dfeydf242ebbc13ce88a@mail.gmail.com>

Looks Fine,

Noufel, if you haven't already communicated, I think it will be good if you
do write into PSF and complete all formalities.

Let's get the modalities done, and announce at least a tentative date for
the first meeting to form a committee to manage the event, and take things
forward.

Ramdas

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings people,
>   I have pasted below the mail I received from David G. when I asked
> him about the conference. Do take a look. I didn't know that he was
> the directory of the PSF. :-}
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi,
>
> I'm sure that you'll be welcome to use the PyCon name for a community
> conference in India. There are several other national or regional
> PyCons out there, and we encourage their proliferation. The only thing
> we want to avoid is competing events in the same region, so ask that
> you cooperate with all interested groups and operate in an open and
> inclusive manner.
>
> Please write to psf at python.org for official permission. Be sure to
> describe the type of conference -- the term "PyCon" is associated with
> a volunteer-run community conference. We can also offer subdomain
> registration; in.pycon.org could point to your server, or to a site on
> the server we're using for the US PyCon.
>
> Good luck!
>
> David Goodger
> PyCon 2009 Chair
> Director, Python Software Foundation
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
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From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 20:20:33 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 00:50:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Reply from David Goodger about PyCon
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On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:
> Looks Fine,
>
> Noufel, if you haven't already communicated, I think it will be good if you
> do write into PSF and complete all formalities.

Noufel,  thanks for the initiative taken. But I guess the further
communication to PSF done with a prior consent with the BangPypers
members. I hope we dont rush things up and all the stakeholders in
this conference. Let us prioritise what should be done or can be
avioded  . Before we start communicating aggressively. We need to
collectively finilaze on many tasks and sub tasks. We can meet up on
the #Bangpypers on say Tuesday 4:30 PM IST.

 Eg.
o Programme Committee needs to be formed
o Call for Papers. ( how do we peer review the talks, tutorials ,
unlike Fsck.in, lets have a open review system of the talks)
o Date ( Call for Vote)
o Venue
o Communication to communities






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From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 20:34:25 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:04:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India Proposal
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, VidA <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 09:28, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > I checked out the page. I can probably pitch in for stuff like writing
>>> > > the proposal and talking to companies.
>
> i would help with the above (and the local media) but wanted to
> discuss some things on thelist instead of editing the wiki and
> annoying folks.

That would be great.

>> Good ideas. I have a page at
>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaProposalDraft which I'm working on.
>
> 0. Should'nt this page include the proposed dates (September 4,5,6
> (Baiju M)) or is that still under discussion ?'
Yes , we need to finalise the dates. I guess we'll take it for a
discussion on the IRC . irc.freenode.org. #BangPypers

> 1. The Aims listed on the Draft page are huge in terms of scope and
> would take more than one conference to achieve.

Heh. Its just a two day old wiki draft. give it some time to mature.
pythonists are very energetic. wait and watch its gonna be awesome.

> 2. Would this be held only in Bangalore or would it be possible for
> local groups in different cities to hold their own 1/2/3 day events?

Usually the Original Pycon is given to user groups , who bid for it.
we'll BangPypers isnt still a society. So we dont hold an authority
.But we are intent to have a 3 day event. atleast I'm a +1 for a 3 day
event. As long as people  hold the event to spread python, I'm not
complaining.


> The "ProposalForPyConIndia" wiki page has a community discussion
> section with varying opinions. Before editing I wanted to clarify the
> following:
>
> 0. Earlier discussions on this list gave an impression of the conf
> being open to all (read newbies) but this is not clear on this wiki
> page. Has that changed?
> 1. Please clarify/define "dedicated conference". (As in, is the pyconf
> open to people like me who "dont code for a living" and yet grok
> technical concepts?)

Thats an interesting point.  learn how to program ;-) It pays to be a
python programmer. We need to discuss it over IRC.  Ofcourse its open
to everybody. Unless we plan to hire bouncers to kick people out after
taking their entry fee. another discussion , Entry Fee , is also a
topic for discussion.



> +1 for the low budget, sans swag concept but some clarity on what is
> the scope of the event, since its being held here for the first time,
> would be a lot nicer. ?The conf planning page was a nice read :) so
> how about a "volunteers" page ?

Lets Keep it volunteer run, low budget and Honest. So everybody can
participate. Lets make it happen folks.


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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 20:45:53 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:15:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IDEs Presentation (was Re: Do we have any NetBeans
	IDE for Python users here?)
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We've had the IDE discussions before..many times on many mailing lists.
Would love to hear from Amit about NetBeans Python support.

I personally mostly work on Windows...so PyScripter
<http://code.google.com/p/pyscripter/> is the choice for me (its a complete
IDE only 6MBs heavy). On linux, it has to be Emacs :))

Vishal

2009/2/27 Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com>

> On a related note : http://jjinux.blogspot.com/search?q=netbeans
>
> -V-
> http://twitter.com/venkat83
>
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From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 20:50:55 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:20:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India IRC Discussion
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We need to have an IRC discussion on the #Bangpypers on IRC ,
Server :: irc.freenode.org
I would request all the stake holders to participate

Agenda ::
o Programme Committee
o Date

Which day is convenient  for al the folks.
o Tuesday , 3rd march 4:30 PM
o Tuesday, 3rd March,  9:00 PM

or someother day / time let me know. I always do hangout on the
channel, stop by to say print "hello world"


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