From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 08:18:47 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:48:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] unladen-swallow
In-Reply-To: <49D26B07.4070408@gmail.com>
References: <49D26B07.4070408@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Shekhar <pythonic at gmail.com> wrote:
> Already slashdotted and many of us should already be knowing but could
> not resist posting.
> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/google-launches-project-to-boost-python-performance-by-5x.ars
> http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan
> Apart from performance boost there is also mention of removal of GIL.
> Very exciting.
>
> Would love to hear opinions of bangpypers.

Talk about GIL is fine, but more importantly  if they can reduce the
memory footprint of Python by 5x just that would be a great
achievement. I also
liked their focus on improving cPickle performance, which is an area
that badly needs improvement.

 Basing it on LLVM is a good idea, and if they can remove opcodes
 nothing like it, since a great lot of time in Python's eval loop is spent
 in dispatching them. There have been bug fixes and improvements
 in this, but a lot of them are dependent on new features in GCC.
 I think they should also take a look at the work already done in
 Parrot and Cython which can be reused.

 This line caught my eye: "Apart from these, our benchmark suite
includes several crap benchmarks like Richards, PyStone and PyBench",
followed by

"For charting the long-term performance trend of the project, Unladen
Swallow makes use of Google's standard internal performance
measurement framework" - I am not sure if the Python community will
take kindly to
the remark that PyStone is "crappy" ;)

Regards


>
> Shekhar
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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-Anand

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 08:24:01 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:54:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] unladen-swallow
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30903312318t7190045bn4d183cd300bd9375@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>  I think they should also take a look at the work already done in
>  Parrot and Cython which can be reused.
>

Parrot is kinda dead (gone to meet the maker? :P)

Also, pypy's design considerations can be useful here.

I did not read the entire link, but a register based approach can also be
tried, though Raymond feels that there is scope for optimizations on the
AST, and looking at the history of peephole optimizations are taken into
consideration with skepticism (read 'unless they are really good and
foolproof').

-V-
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From indrajith.k at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 08:38:03 2009
From: indrajith.k at gmail.com (Indrajith K)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:08:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Guido steps down
Message-ID: <f8005d6f0903312338m7efe45aetd7a547623ee0ff48@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0401/

Not sure, if this is a April fool joke!

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 08:39:41 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:09:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Guido steps down
In-Reply-To: <f8005d6f0903312338m7efe45aetd7a547623ee0ff48@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Indrajith K <indrajith.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0401/
>
> Not sure, if this is a April fool joke!
>

...check out the last few lines....
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 08:55:45 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:25:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Guido steps down
In-Reply-To: <a3b05e8b0903312339u1c2b6ab3se402c503cab879d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8005d6f0903312338m7efe45aetd7a547623ee0ff48@mail.gmail.com>
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2009/4/1 Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com>:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Indrajith K <indrajith.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0401/
>>
>> Not sure, if this is a April fool joke!

Come on, the name of the PEP itself should tell you that...
PEP 04-01 i.e April 01.

>
> ...check out the last few lines....
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
-Anand

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 08:56:05 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:26:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>

Since everyone seems to be mailing in today.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7760178035196894549

By one of the people behind Unladen Swallow incidentally.  What's with
that name, btw?  Quite the mouthful, hard to swallow, so to speak.

Regards,
Roshan Mathews

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 08:56:54 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:26:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Guido steps down
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30903312355s1f6cafa0ye9728cdd804ddbf5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8005d6f0903312338m7efe45aetd7a547623ee0ff48@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1c4dc2780903312356y27155de3w20e738957544976f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/4/1 Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com>:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Indrajith K <indrajith.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0401/
>>>
>>> Not sure, if this is a April fool joke!
>
> Come on, the name of the PEP itself should tell you that...
> PEP 04-01 i.e April 01.
>
Or BDEVIL and FLUFL. :D

~roshan

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 09:00:16 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:30:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30904010000h35e4d660hd3d507f495d876fd@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since everyone seems to be mailing in today.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7760178035196894549
>
> By one of the people behind Unladen Swallow incidentally. ?What's with
> that name, btw? ?Quite the mouthful, hard to swallow, so to speak.

Unladen => As in unladen transport vehicle, means light on load.
In this context, it means a lightweight object.

Swallow - I don't think this means the bird Swallow, but the
act of swallowing, which is what a Python does - I think this is
a reference to Python itself.

So "Unladen Swallow" -> A lightweight Python.

Quite cryptic I say... they could have opted for something more
straightforward perhaps...

>
> Regards,
> Roshan Mathews
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
-Anand

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 09:02:03 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:32:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30904010000h35e4d660hd3d507f495d876fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904010000h35e4d660hd3d507f495d876fd@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Swallow - I don't think this means the bird Swallow, but the
> act of swallowing, which is what a Python does - I think this is
> a reference to Python itself.
>
>
prompted by Linda :) ('DeepThroat') ??

-V-
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 09:11:01 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:41:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30904010000h35e4d660hd3d507f495d876fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904010000h35e4d660hd3d507f495d876fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780904010011x1b6cc55cm6b794f50531a48b9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Since everyone seems to be mailing in today.
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7760178035196894549
>>
>> By one of the people behind Unladen Swallow incidentally. ?What's with
>> that name, btw? ?Quite the mouthful, hard to swallow, so to speak.
>
> Unladen => As in unladen transport vehicle, means light on load.
> In this context, it means a lightweight object.
>
> Swallow - I don't think this means the bird Swallow, but the
> act of swallowing, which is what a Python does - I think this is
> a reference to Python itself.
>
> So "Unladen Swallow" -> A lightweight Python.
>
> Quite cryptic I say... they could have opted for something more
> straightforward perhaps...
>
http://www.style.org/unladenswallow/

The bird, plus Monty Python reference.  Still quite a mouthful, no
reference to Ms. Lovelace.

Roshan Mathews

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 09:19:35 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:49:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0904010019r48b28ba8n2563e9fcd5bf2c87@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since everyone seems to be mailing in today.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7760178035196894549
>
> By one of the people behind Unladen Swallow incidentally. ?What's with
> that name, btw? ?Quite the mouthful, hard to swallow, so to speak.
>

Monty python reference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2R3FvS4xr4

Plus the 'unladen' meaning lightweight or some such.

I haven't seen/read anything about the effort but I'm not sure if it's
going to blow me away as much as PyPy

-- 
~noufal

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 09:37:14 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:07:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Guido steps down
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780903312356y27155de3w20e738957544976f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8005d6f0903312338m7efe45aetd7a547623ee0ff48@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/4/1 Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Indrajith K <indrajith.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Come on, the name of the PEP itself should tell you that...
>> PEP 04-01 i.e April 01.
<snip>
Recognized that C is a 20th century language with almost universal
rejection by programmers under the age of 30, the CPython
implementation will terminate with the release of Python 2.6.2 and
3.0.2. Thereafter, the reference implementation of Python will target
the Parrot [1] virtual machine. Alternative implementations of Python
(e.g. Jython [2] and IronPython [3]) are officially discouraged but
tolerated.
</snip>

This part is funny, ROTFL
regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =  18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F  32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 10:04:37 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:34:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Guido steps down
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20904010037h7664a040i3d78cb50d0a50113@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8005d6f0903312338m7efe45aetd7a547623ee0ff48@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3b05e8b0903312339u1c2b6ab3se402c503cab879d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30903312355s1f6cafa0ye9728cdd804ddbf5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780903312356y27155de3w20e738957544976f@mail.gmail.com>
	<def7ddf20904010037h7664a040i3d78cb50d0a50113@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2009/4/1 Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com>:
>

Linus played a similar joke 7 years back on lkml, which was
even more believable.

http://kerneltrap.org/node/115


-- 
-Anand

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 15:44:23 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:14:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30904010000h35e4d660hd3d507f495d876fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> So "Unladen Swallow" -> A lightweight Python.
>
> Quite cryptic I say... they could have opted for something more
> straightforward perhaps...

Their idea is to backport the changes to CPython. So, there is nothing
in naming convention.
As they claim, it is branch of CPython and not a fork.

Collin Winters was explaining at VM Panel at PyCon that their work is
coming from customer requirements internally at Google and they wanted
a faster a Python.

-- 
Senthil

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 15:50:17 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:20:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10904010644h44e8ee11na14bbbb81169938b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904010000h35e4d660hd3d507f495d876fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904010644h44e8ee11na14bbbb81169938b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Collin Winters was explaining at VM Panel at PyCon that their work is
> coming from customer requirements internally at Google and they wanted
> a faster a Python.
>

Think this panel was the only thing on the core ; or were there any other
talks (i did not see any in the roster)?
Do you have any notes from this panel?

-V-
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 16:03:19 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:33:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python
In-Reply-To: <a3b05e8b0904010650k6cb99361v85bb0f314283ff6a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Think this panel was the only thing on the core ; or were there any other
> talks (i did not see any in the roster)?
> Do you have any notes from this panel?

Nope, there were other talks on the core too. Like writing the Python
C Extensions (Very good one, check the slides)  and Brett's talk on
"How Python is Developed" which was simplistic and was an overview.
There was talks on multiprocessing and then recent itertools module by
Raymond Hettinger.

Could not take any notes from the VM Panel discussion. But it essentially says,
- CPython serves as a reference implementation for other pythons.
- The other implementations have their own advantages vs disadvantages
(namely removal of GIL vs speed).
- There is No Competition whatsoever between these implementations to
out-do or try to become defacto implementation.
- The other implementations compatibility with the CPython release and
their plans to be compatible with Py3k. (Ironpython and PyPI may come
soon. but Jpython plans to get the Py2.6 compatiblity then target for
Py3k).

BTW, I think I have not shared with the group yet.

I presented a tutorial session on "A Tour of Python Standard Library".
You may find the Tutorial notes here: (at the bottom)

http://us.pycon.org/2009/tutorials/schedule/2PM6/


-- 
Senthil

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 16:33:18 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:33:18 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904010019r48b28ba8n2563e9fcd5bf2c87@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> Monty python reference http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2R3FvS4xr4
>
> Plus the 'unladen' meaning lightweight or some such.
>

In an early Star Trek: The Next Generation novel, Geordi is looking
for someone in a bar. He is told to talk to a Gorn bartender who knows
everything. "He knows everything, huh?" states Geordi, skeptically.
"What," he asks "is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?"
"What do you mean?" asks the Gorn. "An African or a European swallow?"
"Boy, he's good!" Geordi responds.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_Grail



-- 
-- 
Senthil

From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 02:32:06 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:32:06 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Python switches to Mercurial
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30903310018y6a2cea41p593cc401843d87a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20903310008r3190da68nc797f3843d20a4ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30903310018y6a2cea41p593cc401843d87a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D40786.4040906@gmail.com>

On 31/03/09 12:18 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> I wonder if there were some real
> reasons for choosing hg over git, except perhaps to be different
> from the kernel folks ?
>    
reasons for the move to hg (instead of git or bzr) -

http://sayspy.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-python-is-switching-to-mercurial.html

   - community preference (git fails)
   - speed (bzr fails)
   - repo format stability (bzr fails)



From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 05:42:39 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:42:39 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Python switches to Mercurial
In-Reply-To: <49D40786.4040906@gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20903310008r3190da68nc797f3843d20a4ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30903310018y6a2cea41p593cc401843d87a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D40786.4040906@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0904012042w25b5f8f1v9b2d7dfb4066983c@mail.gmail.com>

There was a long discussion about this on python-dev where two links
were posted pointing to mails on the bzr list. They summarise? the
reasons why the community didn't chose bzr
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q1/055850.html
and
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q1/055872.html




-- 
~noufal

From samslists at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 10:30:02 2009
From: samslists at gmail.com (Sam's Lists)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:30:02 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] unladen-swallow
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30903312318t7190045bn4d183cd300bd9375@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D26B07.4070408@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30903312318t7190045bn4d183cd300bd9375@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <558124520904020130h43bd562as7426bfce5559898a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Shekhar <pythonic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Already slashdotted and many of us should already be knowing but could
> > not resist posting.
> >
> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/03/google-launches-project-to-boost-python-performance-by-5x.ars
> > http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan
> > Apart from performance boost there is also mention of removal of GIL.
> > Very exciting.
> >
> > Would love to hear opinions of bangpypers.
>


> I also
> liked their focus on improving cPickle performance, which is an area
> that badly needs improvement.
>

Bingo!  It seems like cPickle is fast until you play with something like a
recent version of simplejson...now that's fast.  And then it's like, boy is
cPickle slow.  Pretty soon you're jsonifying everything.  :)
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From: harpreetsingh101 at hotmail.com (Harpreet)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:26:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers]  [job] - Software Developer - Python
Message-ID: <BLU108-DS58A7C8BC346EBE65BDB3689880@phx.gbl>

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From b.ghose at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 12:11:51 2009
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:41:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] unladen-swallow
In-Reply-To: <558124520904020130h43bd562as7426bfce5559898a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D26B07.4070408@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30903312318t7190045bn4d183cd300bd9375@mail.gmail.com> 
	<558124520904020130h43bd562as7426bfce5559898a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a9acd2e50904020311q239e4449p4ef2d54f7c11d2bc@mail.gmail.com>

> Bingo!? It seems like cPickle is fast until you play with something like a
> recent version of simplejson...now that's fast.? And then it's like, boy is
> cPickle slow.? Pretty soon you're jsonifying everything.? :)

And simplejson is fast until you play with cjson. Now _that_ is fast :)

Regards,
BG

-- 
Baishampayan Ghose
b.ghose at gmail.com

From anandology at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 12:34:23 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:04:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] unladen-swallow
In-Reply-To: <a9acd2e50904020311q239e4449p4ef2d54f7c11d2bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D26B07.4070408@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30903312318t7190045bn4d183cd300bd9375@mail.gmail.com>
	<558124520904020130h43bd562as7426bfce5559898a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a9acd2e50904020311q239e4449p4ef2d54f7c11d2bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0904020334x34a28f84x4b9510f9d1a69ad4@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/2 Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>:
>> Bingo!? It seems like cPickle is fast until you play with something like a
>> recent version of simplejson...now that's fast.? And then it's like, boy is
>> cPickle slow.? Pretty soon you're jsonifying everything.? :)
>
> And simplejson is fast until you play with cjson. Now _that_ is fast :)

cjson is not maintained and it doesn't implement the JSON specs correctly.

http://blog.extracheese.org/2007/07/when-json-isnt-json.html

simplejson is fast enough.

Anand

From nagraj.sigma at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 15:42:58 2009
From: nagraj.sigma at gmail.com (nagraj rao)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:12:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python wrapper for Ebay APIs
Message-ID: <27fc546f0904020642r16808462ncd562eb690d78993@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Can anyone suggest me which is the best python wrapper for Ebay APIs? I've
currently gone thru PyEbay and EasyBay. But have not seen much activities on
them since couple of years. Also I'm not able to find any particular forums
or discussion groups for them. I could find PyAWS for Amazon which is really
helpful. I'm wondering whether I shud write the wrapper classes all by
myself in Ebay's case?

Please suggest.

Thanks
N
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From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 07:59:32 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:29:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
Message-ID: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>

I'm noticed a strange Import error in some web.py template. I nailed
down the problem to the following python code.

__builtins__ = {}

import datetime
now = datetime.datetime.utcnow()
print now.strftime("%m %Y")

It fails with the following error.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "foo.py", line 6, in <module>
    print now.strftime("%m %Y")
KeyError: '__import__'

Any experts around for explaining this behavior?

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 08:05:53 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:35:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0904022305j74e2e142x1c7ce67882f1089e@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/3 Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>:
> I'm noticed a strange Import error in some web.py template. I nailed
> down the problem to the following python code.
>
> __builtins__ = {}
>
> import datetime
> now = datetime.datetime.utcnow()
> print now.strftime("%m %Y")
>
> It fails with the following error.
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> ?File "foo.py", line 6, in <module>
> ? ?print now.strftime("%m %Y")
> KeyError: '__import__'
>
> Any experts around for explaining this behavior?

Another strange behavior:

when run as script, it fails at the last line and when run tried in
interpreter, it fails at the import.

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 08:09:38 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:39:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0904022309o16e77035x2c244087b68f163b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not an expert but here's a guess.

import uses the builtin __import__ function. Since you set
__builtins__ to {}, you cannot "import" any modules.
eg.
>>> __builtins__ = {}
>>> import subprocess
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ImportError: __import__ not found

Are you sure your code runs at all? If you set builtins to {}, you
shouldn't be able to do your first import datetime (doesn't work for
me anyway).

Anyway, if you run your python interpreter in verbose mode, you can
see what all it imports as it does so.
>>> import datetime
dlopen("/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/datetime.so", 2);
import datetime # dynamically loaded from
/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/datetime.so
>>> now = datetime.datetime.utcnow()
>>> print now.strftime("%m %Y")
dlopen("/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/time.so", 2);
import time # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/time.so

The print will fail since it tries to do an import inside strftime


-- 
~noufal

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 08:11:19 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:41:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0904022305j74e2e142x1c7ce67882f1089e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022305j74e2e142x1c7ce67882f1089e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30904022311n7cd6ea40qae4d60f1c4fd7135@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> 2009/4/3 Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>:
> > I'm noticed a strange Import error in some web.py template. I nailed
> > down the problem to the following python code.
> >
> > __builtins__ = {}
> >
> > import datetime
> > now = datetime.datetime.utcnow()
> > print now.strftime("%m %Y")
> >
> > It fails with the following error.
> >
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >  File "foo.py", line 6, in <module>
> >    print now.strftime("%m %Y")
> > KeyError: '__import__'
> >
> > Any experts around for explaining this behavior?
>
> Another strange behavior:
>
> when run as script, it fails at the last line and when run tried in
> interpreter, it fails at the import.


When you import a module on the interpreter prompt, it is done
using the builtin function __import__. So here you are setting
__builtins__ dictionary (it is actually a module, not a dict, so
this itself is strange) which removes all builtin function bindings.

Hence when you are trying to import in interpreter prompt,
it looks around for __import__ from __builtins__ module, does
not find it and gives the error.

I can't explain what is happening when it is run as a module.
Perhaps here the import is not a simple __import__ , and
hence it works - anyway that needs more explanation.





>
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From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 08:11:41 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:41:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904022309o16e77035x2c244087b68f163b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904022309o16e77035x2c244087b68f163b@mail.gmail.com>
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>>>> __builtins__ = {}
>>>> import subprocess
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> ?File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ImportError: __import__ not found

Try running this as script. It works!

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 08:18:45 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:48:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30904022311n7cd6ea40qae4d60f1c4fd7135@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022305j74e2e142x1c7ce67882f1089e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022311n7cd6ea40qae4d60f1c4fd7135@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0904022318w2b825deche857ecdb2ad4eac5@mail.gmail.com>

Let me re-write the code to remove the confusion between command-line
and interpreter modes.

import datetime
now = datetime.datetime.utcnow()
__builtins__ = {}
print now.strftime("%m %Y")

Why should this fail?

I did some hack to see who is calling import.

import datetime
now = datetime.datetime.utcnow()

def ximport(*a, **kw):
    print a, kw
    raise Exception

__builtins__ = {'__import__': ximport}
f = now.strftime
print f("%m %Y")

It fails when f is called.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "x.py", line 11, in <module>
    print f("%m %Y")
  File "x.py", line 7, in ximport
    raise Exception
Exception

Any clues?

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 08:24:53 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:54:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0904022318w2b825deche857ecdb2ad4eac5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022305j74e2e142x1c7ce67882f1089e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022311n7cd6ea40qae4d60f1c4fd7135@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022318w2b825deche857ecdb2ad4eac5@mail.gmail.com>
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> __builtins__ = {'__import__': ximport}
> f = now.strftime
> print f("%m %Y")


You can get this directly if you use -v.
Calling strftime imports the time module
>>> print now.strftime("%m %Y")
dlopen("/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/time.so", 2);
import time # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/time.so

-- 
~noufal

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 08:44:21 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:14:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904022324u4db78c87t2b51788a30dbf02a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022305j74e2e142x1c7ce67882f1089e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022311n7cd6ea40qae4d60f1c4fd7135@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022318w2b825deche857ecdb2ad4eac5@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904022324u4db78c87t2b51788a30dbf02a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30904022344m1f0df5bs7ee39b0aee536ca7@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> > __builtins__ = {'__import__': ximport}
> > f = now.strftime
> > print f("%m %Y")
>
>
> You can get this directly if you use -v.
> Calling strftime imports the time module
> >>> print now.strftime("%m %Y")
> dlopen("/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/time.so", 2);
> import time # dynamically loaded from
> /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/time.so
>

I have a basic doubt - why do you want to set a module as core
as __builtins__ to {} in your code ? If you can answer that
reasonably, it makes sense to investigate this or raise a bug.
Otherwise, I don't think it is good coding.


>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> _______________________________________________
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From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 08:51:38 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:21:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30904022344m1f0df5bs7ee39b0aee536ca7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022305j74e2e142x1c7ce67882f1089e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022311n7cd6ea40qae4d60f1c4fd7135@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022318w2b825deche857ecdb2ad4eac5@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904022324u4db78c87t2b51788a30dbf02a@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022344m1f0df5bs7ee39b0aee536ca7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0904022351m1b1623beg758594770cc0548@mail.gmail.com>

> I have a basic doubt - why do you want to set a module as core
> as __builtins__ to {} in your code ? If you can answer that
> reasonably, it makes sense to investigate this or raise a bug.
> Otherwise, I don't think it is good coding.

It is used in web.py templating engine to restrict the available
builtins to templates.

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 08:56:40 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:26:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0904022351m1b1623beg758594770cc0548@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022305j74e2e142x1c7ce67882f1089e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022311n7cd6ea40qae4d60f1c4fd7135@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022318w2b825deche857ecdb2ad4eac5@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904022324u4db78c87t2b51788a30dbf02a@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022344m1f0df5bs7ee39b0aee536ca7@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022351m1b1623beg758594770cc0548@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30904022356q72c21caft70e5d26a3ef78a86@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> > I have a basic doubt - why do you want to set a module as core
> > as __builtins__ to {} in your code ? If you can answer that
> > reasonably, it makes sense to investigate this or raise a bug.
> > Otherwise, I don't think it is good coding.
>
> It is used in web.py templating engine to restrict the available
> builtins to templates.


   web.py is a great framework, but this is bad coding for sure.
  I guess you need to do some hack like,

    oldbuiltins=__builtins__
    __builtins__ = {}

   Then before calling code that breaks,
    __builtins__ = oldbuiltins

     <call breaking code here>

 But this is damn ugly and if it were me, I would investigate other
 options whch doesn't force me to put __builtins__ to {} in my
 code. I don't know details enough to advise you on this
 specifically in this case.


>
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 09:01:40 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:31:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30904022356q72c21caft70e5d26a3ef78a86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022305j74e2e142x1c7ce67882f1089e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022311n7cd6ea40qae4d60f1c4fd7135@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022318w2b825deche857ecdb2ad4eac5@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904022324u4db78c87t2b51788a30dbf02a@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022344m1f0df5bs7ee39b0aee536ca7@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022351m1b1623beg758594770cc0548@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022356q72c21caft70e5d26a3ef78a86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0904030001lbe74129lec3dd59e1c6d6f78@mail.gmail.com>

> ?? web.py is a great framework, but this is bad coding for sure.
> ? I guess you need to do some hack like,
>
> ??? oldbuiltins=__builtins__
> ??? __builtins__ = {}
>
> ?? Then before calling code that breaks,
> ??? __builtins__ = oldbuiltins
>
> ???? <call breaking code here>
>
> ?But this is damn ugly and if it were me, I would investigate other
> ?options whch doesn't force me to put __builtins__ to {} in my
> ?code. I don't know details enough to advise you on this
> ?specifically in this case.

Not really!
What it does is something like this:

code = generate_code(template)
env = {'__builtins__': custom_builtins}
exec(code, env)

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 09:06:26 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:36:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0904030001lbe74129lec3dd59e1c6d6f78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9963e56e0904030006v52406837sadb686309f12361b@mail.gmail.com>

There was a thread on python-dev recently about sandboxing code by
restricting the variables provided. A lot of people broke it (you can
check the archives for "break this code" or something similar).

In any case, if you deny people the ability to use __import__, then
any functions that call import will fail. Whether that's a good
practice is questionable but that's the state of affairs.

And I still haven't figured out the difference between the script and
interpreter versions of my import subprocess. :(

-- 
~noufal

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 09:23:11 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:53:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904030006v52406837sadb686309f12361b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
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2009/4/3 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>:
> There was a thread on python-dev recently about sandboxing code by
> restricting the variables provided. A lot of people broke it (you can
> check the archives for "break this code" or something similar).

This one?

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-February/086401.html

> In any case, if you deny people the ability to use __import__, then
> any functions that call import will fail. Whether that's a good
> practice is questionable but that's the state of affairs.

It does restrict people from using imports, but it doesn't restrict
calling functions which use import.

The problem with the mentioned code is that an implicit import is
getting called in the current env. If that import is inside that
function then it wouldn't be an issue.

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 09:36:25 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:06:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0904030023y591f2db3n92edf9bed75c0ff8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> 2009/4/3 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>:
> > There was a thread on python-dev recently about sandboxing code by
> > restricting the variables provided. A lot of people broke it (you can
> > check the archives for "break this code" or something similar).
>
> This one?
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-February/086401.html
>
> > In any case, if you deny people the ability to use __import__, then
> > any functions that call import will fail. Whether that's a good
> > practice is questionable but that's the state of affairs.
>
> It does restrict people from using imports, but it doesn't restrict
> calling functions which use import.
>
> The problem with the mentioned code is that an implicit import is
> getting called in the current env. If that import is inside that
> function then it wouldn't be an issue.


Use this work-around.

# Save the name __import__
__import__ = __builtins__.__import__
__builtins = {}

import datetime
now = datetime.datetime.utcnow()
print now.strftime("%m %Y")

This works. Do this at the top of all modules which is dependent
on your code which breaks __builtin__.


> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 09:38:47 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:08:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30904030036m6b082528k5f757718e6f87417@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022318w2b825deche857ecdb2ad4eac5@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8548c5f30904030038n7cac686akc06dd0a8c543cf86@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> 2009/4/3 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>:
>> > There was a thread on python-dev recently about sandboxing code by
>> > restricting the variables provided. A lot of people broke it (you can
>> > check the archives for "break this code" or something similar).
>>
>> This one?
>>
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-February/086401.html
>>
>> > In any case, if you deny people the ability to use __import__, then
>> > any functions that call import will fail. Whether that's a good
>> > practice is questionable but that's the state of affairs.
>>
>> It does restrict people from using imports, but it doesn't restrict
>> calling functions which use import.
>>
>> The problem with the mentioned code is that an implicit import is
>> getting called in the current env. If that import is inside that
>> function then it wouldn't be an issue.
>
>
> Use this work-around.
>
> # Save the name __import__
> __import__ = __builtins__.__import__
> __builtins = {}
>
> import datetime
> now = datetime.datetime.utcnow()
> print now.strftime("%m %Y")
>
> This works. Do this at the top of all modules which is dependent
> on your code which breaks __builtin__.
>

Retracted. I was testing wrong code :) It should be __builtins__,
not __builtins, in which case it fails...!

However you can do the same thing and inject the __import__
name after your modification.

Like,

code = generate_code(template)
__import__ = __builtins__.__import__
custom_builtins.__import__ = __import__

env = {'__builtins__': custom_builtins}
exec(code, env)

?


>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -Anand
>
>
>
>


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From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 09:51:07 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:21:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] magic in datetime module?
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30904030038n7cac686akc06dd0a8c543cf86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0904022259p44c532f4v9ec6d29a1dbd4712@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904022324u4db78c87t2b51788a30dbf02a@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022344m1f0df5bs7ee39b0aee536ca7@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904022351m1b1623beg758594770cc0548@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904022356q72c21caft70e5d26a3ef78a86@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904030001lbe74129lec3dd59e1c6d6f78@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904030006v52406837sadb686309f12361b@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904030023y591f2db3n92edf9bed75c0ff8@mail.gmail.com>
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2009/4/3 Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>:
> Retracted. I was testing wrong code :) It should be __builtins__,
> not __builtins, in which case it fails...!
>
> However you can do the same thing and inject the __import__
> name after your modification.
>
> Like,
>
> code = generate_code(template)
> __import__ = __builtins__.__import__
> custom_builtins.__import__ = __import__
>
> env = {'__builtins__': custom_builtins}
> exec(code, env)

No need to do

__import__ = __builtins__.__import__

It is already available in builtins.  Adding __import__ to
custom_builtins solves the problem.

But I'm trying to understand this curious behavior.

Anand

From nagraj.sigma at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 16:09:31 2009
From: nagraj.sigma at gmail.com (Nagraj Rao)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Help in reading the pdf file
In-Reply-To: <783b47270903261529n3d4f6c41hd4a435bffc60f05c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <783b47270903261529n3d4f6c41hd4a435bffc60f05c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22869171.post@talk.nabble.com>


Just in case if you're still searching, I'm using PDFMiner and found it good.
You might have to slightly tweak it according to your requirements though.


Maneesh Kumar B wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am maneesh, I need to read one pdf file and extract data from it. Is
> there
> any one can guide me,
> thanks in advance
> 
> with regards,
> Maneesh KB
> 
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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 16:50:39 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:50:39 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Help in reading the pdf file
In-Reply-To: <783b47270903261529n3d4f6c41hd4a435bffc60f05c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <783b47270903261529n3d4f6c41hd4a435bffc60f05c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D6223F.4090102@gmail.com>

On 3/26/09 3:29 PM, M Kumar wrote:
> I need to read one pdf file and extract data from it. Is there any one 
> can guide me
pyPdf?

   http://pybrary.net/pyPdf/

There is also reportlab toolkit

   http://www.reportlab.org/rl_toolkit.html


From abpillai at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 08:03:19 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:33:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help in reading the pdf file
In-Reply-To: <49D6223F.4090102@gmail.com>
References: <783b47270903261529n3d4f6c41hd4a435bffc60f05c@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D6223F.4090102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30904032303v53c5647bn7cc0e60a4ed29b83@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar
<sridhar.ratna at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 3/26/09 3:29 PM, M Kumar wrote:
>
>> I need to read one pdf file and extract data from it. Is there any one can
>> guide me
>>
> pyPdf?
>
>  http://pybrary.net/pyPdf/


To give my $0.02, I had an opportunity to use both pyPdf and PDFMiner
for an open source project to measure accessibility of PDF documents.
I initially wrote the library using PDFMiner, but found that it had a higher
failure rate in reading documents, especially large ones when compared
to pyPdf. So, I rewrote the library using pyPdf and the experience was
better. Also I noted pyPdf works better on encrypted documents when
compared to PDFMiner.

pyPdf is not perfect and has a few issues which I faced when
reading certain encrypted documents. However, if your PDF files
are mostly non-encrypted, I would suggest pyPdf a better
choice than PDFMiner.



> <http://pybrary.net/pyPdf/>
>
> There is also reportlab toolkit
>
>  http://www.reportlab.org/rl_toolkit.html
>
>
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From connect2shashi at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 13:22:08 2009
From: connect2shashi at gmail.com (Shashi)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:52:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Guido steps down
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hehehe Jokesters... I love em!

From c2inomaha at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  5 01:12:44 2009
From: c2inomaha at yahoo.com (CsquaredinOmaha)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:12:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c4dc2780903312356q55ffb5c4qebcddc2c1a764ace@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21364.36502.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Monty Python's humor often deals with?remembering specific scenes.

http://www.armory.com/swallowscenes.html#question
The swallow?bird reference is from the movie "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"

Soldiers tease King Arthur's knights for clopping coconut shells together
to create the sound of riding horses (the knights are hopping along on foot, pretending to be riding on horses).

The soldiers debate where the coconuts could have come from, arguing perhaps a swallow bird
dropped the coconut during migration.

Later,? the Bridgekeeper of the Bridge of Death?asks challenge questions, the final one
being "What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen(as in "not carrying coconut") swallow?".
It is a joke circling around back to the?non-sense?debate the soldiers had in the earlier?scene


Of course, Pythonistas like?to have their own twist, therefore a?project?for?improving the performance
of Python is like letting a swallow bird fly without having to carry a coconut!

?

----- Original Message ----
From: Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com>
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:56:05 PM
Subject: [BangPypers] Advanced Python or Understanding Python

Since everyone seems to be mailing in today.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7760178035196894549

By one of the people behind Unladen Swallow incidentally.? What's with
that name, btw?? Quite the mouthful, hard to swallow, so to speak.

Regards,
Roshan Mathews
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 08:20:58 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:50:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon at blip.tv
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780904042320nb89c51cs838a11f1f48ca0a2@mail.gmail.com>

http://pycon.blip.tv/

FYI.

From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 11:11:16 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:41:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3.1 alpha 2
Message-ID: <6305ec600904060211u5b4f877bkdc16b743b10a4f3a@mail.gmail.com>

http://doc.python.org/dev/py3k/whatsnew/3.1.html

http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.1/

-- 
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From tarundevnani at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 08:21:42 2009
From: tarundevnani at gmail.com (tarun)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:51:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Issue with subprocess Module
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
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Date: Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Subject: Fwd: Issue with subprocess Module
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: tarun <tarundevnani at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Subject: Issue with subprocess Module
To: python-list at python.org


Hello All,

I've a batch file to be  invoke using a python script. The batch file has
pause, and the time, I need to send some command to the batch file from my
scripts. I placed both, the batch file (test.bat) and the python script
(test.py) in the same folder. And executed 'test.py'

(Please find the source files and error below).

*I get the following error:*
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 74, in run_nodebug
  File "D:\test.py", line 4, in <module>
    proc = subprocess.Popen(my_bat,stdin=subprocess.PIPE)
  File "C:\Python25\lib\subprocess.py", line 588, in __init__
    errread, errwrite) = self._get_handles(stdin, stdout, stderr)
  File "C:\Python25\lib\subprocess.py", line 717, in _get_handles
    c2pwrite = self._make_inheritable(c2pwrite)
  File "C:\Python25\lib\subprocess.py", line 746, in _make_inheritable
    DUPLICATE_SAME_ACCESS)
WindowsError: [Error 6] The handle is invalid

*Python Script:*
*test.py*
import subprocess,os
my_bat = os.getcwd()+'\\test.bat'
proc = subprocess.Popen(my_bat,stdin=subprocess.PIPE)
input = '\n'
proc.communicate(input)

*Batch File*
*test.bat*
echo "START'
pause
echo 'END'
Please help me with this issue.

Thanks In Advance,
Tarun
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From pdiwadkar at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 09:46:17 2009
From: pdiwadkar at yahoo.com (prasanna diwadkar)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 00:46:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Freelancing sites/companies in India
Message-ID: <15333.8135.qm@web30805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,
Are there any freelancing sites/companies who work in LAMP or any other technologies like Java,struts,posstgre etc?I was able to find 1/2 sites but they require you to pay them before working on project.
?
Thanks and regards
PD


      
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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 13:39:09 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:09:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
Message-ID: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I have a question about HTML !!!

I know this is not pythonic question per se. But I guess many people in this
group would be doing web work. So thought of tapping into that resource
bank.

I am starting to learn about HTML/DHTML etc and wanted to know if you know
of some tutorials that talk about the different UI effects that can be
created in HTML.. This could be a very open question..and so here's an
example of an issue I am facing:

I am trying to create a web based INI file editor. I would like to create an
HTML file on the fly by parsing a given INI file (and this will be done in
Python...ofcourse). However, the HTML file should have <form> elements which
can be used to update the INI file contents. I want to enable the <form>
elements (textbox, submit button) only on a click to certain area...giving
it a look and feel something like Xemacs configuration UI.

I am stuck with coming up with this layout and also something that works
across IE5 to Google Chrome !!!

any help/pointers etc would be heavily appreciated.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre



-- 
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Apr  9 13:47:06 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:17:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200904091717.07316.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Thursday 09 April 2009 17:09:09 Vishal wrote:
> any help/pointers etc would be heavily appreciated.

learn about templating languages, css, javascript and ajax. Cheetah, jinja, 
jquery, blueprint are key words.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From anurag08priyam at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 14:00:38 2009
From: anurag08priyam at gmail.com (Anurag Priyam)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:30:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95d7ba070904090500s123de1e1i722c9baeada079c@mail.gmail.com>

>
> I am starting to learn about HTML/DHTML etc and wanted to know if you know
> of some tutorials that talk about the different UI effects that can be
> created in HTML.. This could be a very open question..and so here's an
> example of an issue I am facing:
>
> >> I want to enable the <form> elements (textbox, submit button) only on a
> click to certain area...giving it a look and feel >>something like Xemacs
> configuration UI.
>

well, i don't think that plain HTML offers any such feature. Specific
customizability needs to be done using Javascipt. You may want to explore
jQuery(a javascript library), wherein you can associate an event with any
one or more elements of your choice.


>
> >>I am stuck with coming up with this layout and also something that works
> across IE5 to Google Chrome !!!
>

As of compatibility with all the browsers you need to use tags and features
that are supported by all these browsers. explore their documentation to
find out how much the browsers comply with the latest w3c standards. some of
the features are implemented in brosers like ie with different name, like
the way of changing the opacity of an image.

learning AJAX will also be of lot of help.

-- 
Anurag Priyam
1st Year,Mechanical Engineering,
IIT Kharagpur.
+91-9775550642
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 14:02:13 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:32:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
In-Reply-To: <95d7ba070904090500s123de1e1i722c9baeada079c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<95d7ba070904090500s123de1e1i722c9baeada079c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3b05e8b0904090502x44d1389fldce742bb35244b38@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> learning AJAX will also be of lot of help.
>
>
What is AJAX?

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From anurag08priyam at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 14:08:33 2009
From: anurag08priyam at gmail.com (Anurag Priyam)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:38:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
In-Reply-To: <a3b05e8b0904090502x44d1389fldce742bb35244b38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<95d7ba070904090500s123de1e1i722c9baeada079c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3b05e8b0904090502x44d1389fldce742bb35244b38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95d7ba070904090508p2afe3a20h7a0d2024bfb85afd@mail.gmail.com>

> What is AJAX?


:o "Google up!" :P

-- 
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1st Year,Mechanical Engineering,
IIT Kharagpur.
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From siddharthn210 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 14:12:00 2009
From: siddharthn210 at gmail.com (Siddharth Dagar)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:42:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
In-Reply-To: <a3b05e8b0904090502x44d1389fldce742bb35244b38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<95d7ba070904090500s123de1e1i722c9baeada079c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a3b05e8b0904090502x44d1389fldce742bb35244b38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5374bbcb0904090512g1e11a087r82fe20a4748e5b1e@mail.gmail.com>

Ajax is an acronym for Asynchronous Javascript and XML. By using Ajax, you
can asynchronously get data from the server in the background without
disturbing the existing page. For example, when you search in google or
youtube (even wikipedia now), while typing out the text, it gives you some
suggestions on whatever you are searching.  This is one of the
implementations of ajax.

For more, as Anurag said, 'google' it up.

-- 
Siddharth Dagar
1st Year Undergraduate Student
Department of Electrical Engineering
I.I.T. Kharagpur
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From vprajan at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 09:39:21 2009
From: vprajan at gmail.com (Pushparajan V)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:09:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Interesting historical relation between python &
	distributed OS
Message-ID: <d6e7f37f0904100039m3d042733udb398c3584a76654@mail.gmail.com>

While crawling around about distributed operating systems came across some
python related references and was amazed to see it was created for helping
out with scripting and also for accessing some internal system calls of
Amoeba distributed OS (whose development is dead as of now).

Checkout here:
http://www.python.org/doc/faq/general/#why-was-python-created-in-the-first-place

This is not something new to share.. But just sharing my amazement after
seeing the history behind python and how it started.

Guess what ??.. already some set of people are getting involved into DS with
python to overtake java.. but always survival of the fittest and the
easiest.. :)


-- 
Pushparajan V
http://vprajan.blogspot.com
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 10:34:13 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:04:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Interesting historical relation between python &
	distributed OS
In-Reply-To: <d6e7f37f0904100039m3d042733udb398c3584a76654@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d6e7f37f0904100039m3d042733udb398c3584a76654@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3b05e8b0904100134h2a073693m9922f658be3400d2@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Pushparajan V <vprajan at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Guess what ??.. already some set of people are getting involved into DS
> with python to overtake java.. but always survival of the fittest and the
> easiest.. :)
>

Try watching/hearing Guido's keynote this year in pycon.He talks briefly
about language design/evolution and how he want/wanted python.

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From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 17:42:11 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:12:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Reminder - DevCamp Bangalore 2 in two days
Message-ID: <49DE1753.4060404@gmail.com>

Guys, a quick reminder - DevCamp Bangalore 2 happens on Saturday; do
register now at http://devcamp.in if you're planning to participate so
we can make appropriate arrangements.

At this point in time we have 330 registrations and 19 sessions.

These include sessions by at least 5 people who are core committers on
various open source projects, one internationally known speaker and
author, and two entrepreneurs; and this just among the people whose
background I'm familiar with, so I'm sure there are many more people
with very interesting backgrounds who will be present.

So do sign up, and please spread the word among all the hackers you know :)

Best,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in

Original announcement from 17th March
===
We're happy to announce the second edition of DevCamp Bangalore, DevCamp
Bangalore 2 ( http://devcamp.in ); it's happening on Saturday, 11th
April 2009. Like any BarCamp, registration is at the wiki.

DevCamp is an un-conference by the hackers*, for the hackers and of the
hackers.
It's a species of BarCamp where anything a lover of computers and
technology would consider important or entertaining goes. The first
DevCamp ( http://www.devcamp.in/wiki/DevCamp_Bangalore_1 ) happened a
little over a year ago and was a lot of fun; we're hoping to keep that
trend going with DCB2.

If you're planning to do a session at DCB2, do keep in mind the fact
that everyone at DevCamp is a hacker, a pro. Please assume a high level
of exposure and knowledge on the part of your audience and tailor your
sessions to suit. Avoid 'Hello World' and how-to sessions which can be
trivially found on the net. First hand war stories, in-depth analyses of
topics and live demos are best.

Best,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in

* Hacker as in http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/hacker.html







From rmathews at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 15:39:18 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:09:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Interesting historical relation between python &
	distributed OS
In-Reply-To: <a3b05e8b0904100134h2a073693m9922f658be3400d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d6e7f37f0904100039m3d042733udb398c3584a76654@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3b05e8b0904100134h2a073693m9922f658be3400d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780904100639h63d7737cnc4e077900a5dc19e@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Pushparajan V <vprajan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Guess what ??.. already some set of people are getting involved into DS
>> with python to overtake java.. but always survival of the fittest and the
>> easiest.. :)
>
> Try watching/hearing Guido's keynote this year in pycon.He talks briefly
> about language design/evolution and how he want/wanted python.
>
There's also Guido's "history blog" at
http://python-history.blogspot.com/ for those interested.

~Roshan

From shridhar_c_k at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 11 18:12:57 2009
From: shridhar_c_k at yahoo.com (shridhar kyrlageri)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] help please..
Message-ID: <369366.55011.qm@web45406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

can some one help me debug the matlab code.. please reply


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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 18:20:43 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:50:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help please..
In-Reply-To: <369366.55011.qm@web45406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <369366.55011.qm@web45406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10904110920l697f33deh319b9af00918819f@mail.gmail.com>

> shridhar kyrlageri <shridhar_c_k at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> can some one help me debug the matlab code.. please reply

I am sorry, I do not know Matlab.

But can you read this document:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and explain to us
what it says about the kind of question you asked?

Your best bet will be your colleague or a friend or matlab mailing
list. But please do read the document first.

Thanks,
Senthil

From bharat_pathak at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 12 05:26:11 2009
From: bharat_pathak at hotmail.com (Bharat Pathak)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:56:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help please..
In-Reply-To: <369366.55011.qm@web45406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <369366.55011.qm@web45406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU142-DS35FD1A828DFB2508904209B7E0@phx.gbl>

what help do in need in matlab, we can help.

rgds
bharat pathak

Arithos Designs
www.Arithos.com

my email id bharat at arithos.com




From: shridhar kyrlageri 
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:42 PM
To: bangpypers at python.org 
Subject: [BangPypers] help please..


      can some one help me debug the matlab code.. please reply 


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From zoltan.jose at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 09:04:05 2009
From: zoltan.jose at gmail.com (Timmy Jose)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:34:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help please..
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10904110920l697f33deh319b9af00918819f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <369366.55011.qm@web45406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<7c42eba10904110920l697f33deh319b9af00918819f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c567fd8c0904120004s61eb6bcct1e01d05f0dc375c2@mail.gmail.com>

Bejasus... a bit less on the smug would do everyone good! Let's not
turn this to comp.lang.lisp shall we folks? No, really...

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
>> shridhar kyrlageri <shridhar_c_k at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> can some one help me debug the matlab code.. please reply
>
> I am sorry, I do not know Matlab.
>
> But can you read this document:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and explain to us
> what it says about the kind of question you asked?
>
> Your best bet will be your colleague or a friend or matlab mailing
> list. But please do read the document first.
>
> Thanks,
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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>



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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 07:21:23 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:51:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
In-Reply-To: <5374bbcb0904090512g1e11a087r82fe20a4748e5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<95d7ba070904090500s123de1e1i722c9baeada079c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3b05e8b0904090502x44d1389fldce742bb35244b38@mail.gmail.com>
	<5374bbcb0904090512g1e11a087r82fe20a4748e5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b480904122221m1280fff5rac84048094f755cf@mail.gmail.com>

To take this question further....It seems it would help everyone if someone
could explain...the need for Templating vs Creating HTML on the fly like we
did in CGI scripts.
Why would there be a need for Templating...if we can create similar HTML on
the fly...by simply using print statements and raw strings that can be
stored in the python file or using modules like HTMLTags.py or HTMLgen.

Also when should one use one (Templating) and when the other (Create HTML on
the fly)?

All WebWisdom is welcome :)

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Siddharth Dagar <siddharthn210 at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Ajax is an acronym for Asynchronous Javascript and XML. By using Ajax, you
> can asynchronously get data from the server in the background without
> disturbing the existing page. For example, when you search in google or
> youtube (even wikipedia now), while typing out the text, it gives you some
> suggestions on whatever you are searching.  This is one of the
> implementations of ajax.
>
> For more, as Anurag said, 'google' it up.
>
> --
> Siddharth Dagar
> 1st Year Undergraduate Student
> Department of Electrical Engineering
> I.I.T. Kharagpur
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"Happiness keeps u Sweet, Trials keep u Strong,
Sorrow keeps u Human, Failure Keeps u Humble,
Success keeps u Glowing, But only God Keeps u Going.....Keep Going....."
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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 07:38:07 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:08:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480904122221m1280fff5rac84048094f755cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<95d7ba070904090500s123de1e1i722c9baeada079c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3b05e8b0904090502x44d1389fldce742bb35244b38@mail.gmail.com>
	<5374bbcb0904090512g1e11a087r82fe20a4748e5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9963e56e0904122238o21c917d2od5e7e3bd2a547fd2@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> To take this question further....It seems it would help everyone if someone
> could explain...the need for Templating vs Creating HTML on the fly like we
> did in CGI scripts.
> Why would there be a need for Templating...if we can create similar HTML on
> the fly...by simply using print statements and raw strings that can be
> stored in the python file or using modules like HTMLTags.py or HTMLgen.

Your dichotomy is not exactly accurate. People initially using print
statements directly print strings. Then they put these strings in
files which can be substituted. Then they find that they're
cutting/pasting into multiple files so they introduce some facility to
include other strings. Then they find that they don't want to change
all the content but just some parts so they introduce some
substitution tricks. Then they want valid XHTML even if their
application tries to mess up so they separate form and content. This
goes on and you get a templating language. It's really a gradual
change rather than a 'direct HTML' vs. 'templates'.

I for one find it very convenient to use a templating system (I mostly
use clearsilver). It's easy to modify my layout without  touching my
actual code.

[..]

-- 
~noufal

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 10:53:35 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:23:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904122238o21c917d2od5e7e3bd2a547fd2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480904090439m7b29db0cm7e123c5e7fd2fcc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<95d7ba070904090500s123de1e1i722c9baeada079c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3b05e8b0904090502x44d1389fldce742bb35244b38@mail.gmail.com>
	<5374bbcb0904090512g1e11a087r82fe20a4748e5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
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OK..so its about making sure that The View is totally separate from the
Controller, and yet the View should contain programmable elements...which
get filled up at run time.
Which is possible also by having straight HTML printing....but gets complex
as the number of such conditional print statements increases overtime.

But in that case...are there still instances when one would need 'print'
based HTML generation.

>From what it seems, if the amount of markup is small then printing it is
probably good. But when lots of customization to each page is
needed...templating would be the way to go.

Thanks,
Vishal

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > To take this question further....It seems it would help everyone if
> someone
> > could explain...the need for Templating vs Creating HTML on the fly like
> we
> > did in CGI scripts.
> > Why would there be a need for Templating...if we can create similar HTML
> on
> > the fly...by simply using print statements and raw strings that can be
> > stored in the python file or using modules like HTMLTags.py or HTMLgen.
>
> Your dichotomy is not exactly accurate. People initially using print
> statements directly print strings. Then they put these strings in
> files which can be substituted. Then they find that they're
> cutting/pasting into multiple files so they introduce some facility to
> include other strings. Then they find that they don't want to change
> all the content but just some parts so they introduce some
> substitution tricks. Then they want valid XHTML even if their
> application tries to mess up so they separate form and content. This
> goes on and you get a templating language. It's really a gradual
> change rather than a 'direct HTML' vs. 'templates'.
>
> I for one find it very convenient to use a templating system (I mostly
> use clearsilver). It's easy to modify my layout without  touching my
> actual code.
>
> [..]
>
> --
> ~noufal
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"Happiness keeps u Sweet, Trials keep u Strong,
Sorrow keeps u Human, Failure Keeps u Humble,
Success keeps u Glowing, But only God Keeps u Going.....Keep Going....."
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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 11:56:58 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:26:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> Which is possible also by having straight HTML printing....but gets complex
> as the number of such conditional print statements increases overtime.
> But in that case...are there still instances when one would need 'print'
> based HTML generation.

Like? I would try to keep out situations where I need to 'print' HTML directly.

> From what it seems, if the amount of markup is small then printing it is
> probably good. But when lots of customization to each page is
> needed...templating would be the way to go.

Most apps start small. If you don't use templating then, you'll end up
with a large app with a lot of work to make it use a templating
engine. I'd prefer using one at the outset. It's a lot more easier
too. You can validate your XHTML directly in an editor rather than
mess with print statements and document source.

-- 
~noufal

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 10:50:09 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:20:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904130256v3b8d487cl86dbe6033108dead@mail.gmail.com>
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	<a13a3b480904122221m1280fff5rac84048094f755cf@mail.gmail.com>
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How did you come to use ClearSilver? What made you choose it. I like the
philosophy of data set driven presentation.But apart from this...have you
done any comparison about Speed etc (pure python templating system vs
something in C)

There's just too many Templating systems to choose from :)

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
> > Which is possible also by having straight HTML printing....but gets
> complex
> > as the number of such conditional print statements increases overtime.
> > But in that case...are there still instances when one would need 'print'
> > based HTML generation.
>
> Like? I would try to keep out situations where I need to 'print' HTML
> directly.
>
> > From what it seems, if the amount of markup is small then printing it is
> > probably good. But when lots of customization to each page is
> > needed...templating would be the way to go.
>
> Most apps start small. If you don't use templating then, you'll end up
> with a large app with a lot of work to make it use a templating
> engine. I'd prefer using one at the outset. It's a lot more easier
> too. You can validate your XHTML directly in an editor rather than
> mess with print statements and document source.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"Happiness keeps u Sweet, Trials keep u Strong,
Sorrow keeps u Human, Failure Keeps u Humble,
Success keeps u Glowing, But only God Keeps u Going.....Keep Going....."
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From anurag08priyam at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 11:38:59 2009
From: anurag08priyam at gmail.com (Anurag Priyam)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:08:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django and Fcgi
Message-ID: <95d7ba070904150238u653dc4c1g5af23217ea853607@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have created a website using Django, which I have to host on Dreamhost. I
went through the Dreamhost's wiki and Jeff Croft's article on how to set-up
Django on Dreamhost and carried out all the steps. I still get this error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
> to complete your request.
>
> Please contact ...
>
> More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
>
> Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while
> trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
>

The apache log files say that the script dispatch.fcgi ended prematurely. I
am unable to figure out the problem. Please help.

-- 
Anurag Priyam
1st Year,Mechanical Engineering,
IIT Kharagpur.
+91-9775550642
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From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 11:45:21 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:15:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django and Fcgi
In-Reply-To: <95d7ba070904150238u653dc4c1g5af23217ea853607@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95d7ba070904150238u653dc4c1g5af23217ea853607@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0904150245p743c52c5la7469f51b62e88ac@mail.gmail.com>

> The apache log files say that the script dispatch.fcgi ended prematurely. I
> am unable to figure out the problem. Please help.


Which probably means the dispatch.fcgi is not executable.
Make sure it is executable and #! /usr/bin/env python is added in the first
line.

You should be able to verify that by running the script from command line as
./dispatch.fcgi.

Anand
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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 19:19:56 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:19:56 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
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	<a3b05e8b0904090502x44d1389fldce742bb35244b38@mail.gmail.com>
	<5374bbcb0904090512g1e11a087r82fe20a4748e5b1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a13a3b480904122221m1280fff5rac84048094f755cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904122238o21c917d2od5e7e3bd2a547fd2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a13a3b480904130153n27d28957ub31b4b36d6a0f1e5@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> How did you come to use ClearSilver? What made you choose it. I like the
> philosophy of data set driven presentation.
> But apart from this...have you done any comparison about Speed etc (pure
> python templating system vs something in C)

I was using trac and clearsilver was what it used (before it moved to
Genshi). It was the first such system I used and I stuck with it.
I should probably re evaluate now though. Mako seems to be a good option.

-- 
~noufal

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 20:41:10 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:41:10 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Python bug day coming up.
Message-ID: <9963e56e0904151141u112197e5m47abf7b26e9b1d38@mail.gmail.com>

Rev your engines people!
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonBugDay


-- 
~noufal

From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 07:41:44 2009
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:11:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Bug Day
Message-ID: <6305ec600904152241l7aac6578tf0e2e787832649e0@mail.gmail.com>

http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonBugDay

http://bugs.python.org/



-- 
Praveen Kumar
+91 9739854134
http://praveensunsetpoint.wordpress.com
Bangalore
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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 07:54:36 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:24:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting the know-how of UI effects using HTML etc..
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	<95d7ba070904090500s123de1e1i722c9baeada079c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3b05e8b0904090502x44d1389fldce742bb35244b38@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah I also found that Google and Orkut are using ClearSilver.
The good part is the dataset based philosophy and it being a C library. For
large pages...may be that provides the speed.

I am making a desktop application...and I want it to be as responsive as
possible...so dont want to spend time rendering the page...though it wont be
too long because the webserver is localhost...still if there is something
available in C...why not use it :)

Most others are now days pure python based frameworks.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > How did you come to use ClearSilver? What made you choose it. I like the
> > philosophy of data set driven presentation.
> > But apart from this...have you done any comparison about Speed etc (pure
> > python templating system vs something in C)
>
> I was using trac and clearsilver was what it used (before it moved to
> Genshi). It was the first such system I used and I stuck with it.
> I should probably re evaluate now though. Mako seems to be a good option.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"Happiness keeps u Sweet, Trials keep u Strong,
Sorrow keeps u Human, Failure Keeps u Humble,
Success keeps u Glowing, But only God Keeps u Going.....Keep Going....."
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From ramdas at developeriq.com  Thu Apr 16 09:16:46 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:46:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django and Fcgi
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0904150245p743c52c5la7469f51b62e88ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <95d7ba070904150238u653dc4c1g5af23217ea853607@mail.gmail.com>
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I wouldn't advise you to try Django on Dreamhost if your site requires
constant maintenance. Every time you need to refresh stuff, you need touch
the fcgi files, and its spawns multiple processes, that simply refuses to
die. But if its low maintenance, that is very little python code will get
added, then Dreamhost is fine. The server maintainers some times kills those
threads, crashing your site

For professional work try webfaction or any of the slice stuff

Ramdas

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
>> The apache log files say that the script dispatch.fcgi ended prematurely.
>> I am unable to figure out the problem. Please help.
>
>
> Which probably means the dispatch.fcgi is not executable.
> Make sure it is executable and #! /usr/bin/env python is added in the first
> line.
>
> You should be able to verify that by running the script from command line
> as ./dispatch.fcgi.
>
> Anand
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Fri Apr 17 10:09:01 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:39:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Commercial] [Internship] Looking for a summer intern
	for a Django/JQuery project
In-Reply-To: <20090417133453.418dfca8@anubis>
References: <20090417133453.418dfca8@anubis>
Message-ID: <def7ddf20904170109y49926c6cqf24d85186bcc9029@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks

FYI If somebody is interested .


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in>
Date: Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Subject: [ilugd] [Commercial] Looking for a summer intern for a
Django/JQuery project
To: ILUGD main list <ilugd at lists.linux-delhi.org>


Hello,

?Srijan is building a major product built on Django, and Jquery.
We are interested in having an intern work with us for a couple
of months over summer, starting any time from now till July.

Skills required
Django/Python :: Med/High
JQuery :: High
CSS :: Basic
MySQL :: High
Linux sys admin :: Basic

Remuneration
A stipend will be paid to interns, as per industry standards.

Who is Srijan
Srijan is an employee-run open source consulting company
specialising in Drupal and TYPO3 content management systems. It's
products arm, called Srijan Labs, headed by Dr. Mohanty, is building
this product. To know more visit our website at http://www.srijan.in
or our blog at http://blogs.srijan.in

Interested?

Please send your CV (PDF) to rahul at srijan.in and CC to
jobs at srijan.in mentioning your interest and skills in the
technologies outlined above, and desired stipend during the
internship.

Regards,
Gora



regards
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From ramdas at developeriq.com  Sat Apr 18 11:31:30 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:01:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>

Can we have an update on the status/interest levels?

-- 
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sat Apr 18 15:34:54 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:04:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:
> Can we have an update on the status/interest levels?

Start small is the idea. What are your thoughts?

I am not much into organizing, but I personally would want PyCon India
to start off this year.


-- 
Senthil

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Apr 18 18:02:30 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:02:30 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>

>From the general feeling, I think we should (as was suggested by some
of the wiser folks on the first IRC meeting), keep it small.

Shall we have a F2F on 26th or so? (25th is Python Bug day).

-- 
~noufal

From gnuyoga at gmail.com  Sat Apr 18 18:43:57 2009
From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?KOCktuCljeCksOClgCkgU3JlZWthbnRoIEI=?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:13:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
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References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
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hi,

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> >From the general feeling, I think we should (as was suggested by some
> of the wiser folks on the first IRC meeting), keep it small.
>
> Shall we have a F2F on 26th or so? (25th is Python Bug day).


Face 2 Face looks like virtually impossible for meetings, probably because
of work / family commitments.  But taking one hour for a online meeting
should not be a problem is what i think.

In case we are planning an event, first we need to get someone with event
management capabilities who can help us assist in the whole process. Am sure
a person who is working 5 days a week will have very little time to spent in
event management / organizing.

- sree


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From ramdas at developeriq.com  Sat Apr 18 18:44:33 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:14:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00904180944w4eb69c37ra1ffa9bdea9b83e6@mail.gmail.com>

I am all for doing something small, but good

Ramdas

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> >From the general feeling, I think we should (as was suggested by some
> of the wiser folks on the first IRC meeting), keep it small.
>
> Shall we have a F2F on 26th or so? (25th is Python Bug day).
>
> --
> ~noufal
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From quantrum75 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 18 23:29:31 2009
From: quantrum75 at yahoo.com (quantrum75)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:29:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python teaching?
Message-ID: <705642.75444.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi BangPypers,
I came across this mailing list from the Python
website. I was wondering if anyone had an interest in teaching python
for a fee? I am a relative newbie and would appreciate it if anyone had
an interest in teaching python over the web. For further information
please email me back.
Thanks for your time and I shall look forward to your mail.
Sincerely
Regards
Rama


      
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 01:39:24 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:09:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10904181639i4a77a2dcn9e496e845bf108d4@mail.gmail.com>

Noufal,

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (25th is Python Bug day).


I wanted to respond to the earlier mail. But how about the idea that
we meet up on 25th, with our laptops and participate in the Python bug
day together?

Place (with wifi) is something which we will have to work it out.


-- 
Senthil

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 01:43:22 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:13:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00904180944w4eb69c37ra1ffa9bdea9b83e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00904180944w4eb69c37ra1ffa9bdea9b83e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10904181643q61e007fv66736794711a996c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:

> I am all for doing something small, but good

I have not much interacted with others, but you have 4 votes for this
one with Baiju, Pradeep, Noufal and I. (We have interacted over mails,
in person and sense the need for it). I am sure, many others are also
interested and will come in.

So, how do we start? Book a place and fix a date first?


-- 
Senthil

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 08:54:52 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:54:52 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10904181643q61e007fv66736794711a996c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00904180944w4eb69c37ra1ffa9bdea9b83e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904181643q61e007fv66736794711a996c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0904182354o7d0510c9vd3c76a47d2e8ed12@mail.gmail.com>

I think we *should* have a F2F first. That should get us started. We
can do IRC meetings/mails to work out the details but we need a *live*
meeting to lay out the basics. I propose 25 or 26th (we can decide the
venue later). Perhaps this can be a python user group meeting (which
we had decided to hold once a month) with special focus on the
conference..

-- 
~noufal

From ramdas at developeriq.com  Sun Apr 19 11:08:52 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:38:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904182354o7d0510c9vd3c76a47d2e8ed12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00904180944w4eb69c37ra1ffa9bdea9b83e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904181643q61e007fv66736794711a996c@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904182354o7d0510c9vd3c76a47d2e8ed12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00904190208k3f1fac5du4a5c402ff9e1f0e8@mail.gmail.com>

let's have an FTF at least to discuss conference details. When you are
having a **real** conference, we must have a few **real** meetings for
organizing them.

Frankly there were too much of line noise during the last virtual meetings
we had... There was little clarity on many things.


On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think we *should* have a F2F first. That should get us started. We
> can do IRC meetings/mails to work out the details but we need a *live*
> meeting to lay out the basics. I propose 25 or 26th (we can decide the
> venue later). Perhaps this can be a python user group meeting (which
> we had decided to hold once a month) with special focus on the
> conference..
>
> --
> ~noufal
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 12:36:41 2009
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:06:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49EAFEB9.6010001@gmail.com>

Senthil Kumaran wrote:
>
> Start small is the idea. What are your thoughts?
>   
Am +1 for start small, but how small? Even then it needs proper organizing.
> I am not much into organizing, but I personally would want PyCon India
> to start off this year
+1 again. But the miraculous initial steam seems dying ;-) As I am not 
any more physically in Bangalore, I can only participate in IRC 
meetings, but would surely be there for the Day.

-- 
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From bijoy.franco at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 18:24:46 2009
From: bijoy.franco at gmail.com (bijoy)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:54:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] looking for an opportunity to take up Volunteer work
	in Python
Message-ID: <5e8819770904190924j3a41fd34kbd90bacf8806effc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am a Ameature python Programmer, with knowledge in postgresql(RDBMS), CGI
Scripting, HTML
I would like to take up a volunteer work in python.

Pls let me know if there is any opportunity.

Thanks a lot

Bijoy Franco
+91-9731006221
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From amitsaha.in at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 18:45:02 2009
From: amitsaha.in at gmail.com (Amit Saha)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:15:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] looking for an opportunity to take up Volunteer
	work in Python
In-Reply-To: <5e8819770904190924j3a41fd34kbd90bacf8806effc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e8819770904190924j3a41fd34kbd90bacf8806effc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547db2260904190945u5807a084rb1f6d6253eee3ee4@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:54 PM, bijoy <bijoy.franco at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am a Ameature python Programmer, with knowledge in postgresql(RDBMS), CGI Scripting, HTML
> I would like to take up a volunteer work in python.
>
> Pls let me know if there is any opportunity.

How about the N number of Open Source projects out there using Python?
The project that you finally end up coding for will ofcourse be
determined by your interests. So go ahead and explore!

Best,
Amit
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Bijoy Franco
> +91-9731006221
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 19:19:54 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:49:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] looking for an opportunity to take up Volunteer
	work in Python
In-Reply-To: <5e8819770904190924j3a41fd34kbd90bacf8806effc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e8819770904190924j3a41fd34kbd90bacf8806effc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba10904191019u30739b68ie5fc80e66a065164@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:54 PM, bijoy <bijoy.franco at gmail.com> wrote:
> Pls let me know if there is any opportunity.

http://wiki.python.org/moin/VolunteerOpportunities


-- 
Senthil

From vid at svaksha.com  Mon Apr 20 04:38:19 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (VidA)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:08:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00904190208k3f1fac5du4a5c402ff9e1f0e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00904180944w4eb69c37ra1ffa9bdea9b83e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904181643q61e007fv66736794711a996c@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904182354o7d0510c9vd3c76a47d2e8ed12@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <12470af00904191938s6822befxa8f04369020baf11@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 14:38, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:
> let's have an FTF at least to discuss conference details. When you are
> having a **real** conference, we must have a few **real** meetings for
> organizing them.
>
> Frankly there were too much of line noise during the last virtual meetings
> we had... There was little clarity on many things.

Concur, as I dont parse IRC conversations well with too many folks
speaking at the same time. Anyway the bigger confusion was about the
scope/goal, probably because there were too many ideas and
suggestions, which are great in itself, but its the implementation
that worries me.  Too many ideas and too few volunteers is the part
where I am stuck at.
Before a F2F, wouldnt it be better to take a roll-call on tasks and
volunteers on the list or the wiki and then take a step at a time? At
the first irc meet, I had volunteered to handle the media and
publicity for the conf.


-- 
ciao,
|| Vid || http://www.svaksha.com ||

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 05:38:03 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:08:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Commercial] Looking for python freelancers
Message-ID: <91bea30d0904192038t16026febrb789a406a995caeb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi! All,

 I have a requirement for 2 python freelancers, starting May. You will need
to work approximately 80 hours per month and should be versed with python
2.x , webservices, large data abse interaction and any experience with OLAP
is a plus. Selected candidates will be working on a python based OLAP engine
and/or python based rules engine.
 Please contact me offlist vivek at soundsource dot in . Preference will be
given to Delhi based candidates.

regards
Vivek

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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Apr 20 12:23:42 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:53:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <db49484f0904180943h5b45f032pf5e29125f35209be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<db49484f0904180943h5b45f032pf5e29125f35209be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200904201553.42891.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Saturday 18 April 2009 22:13:57 (????) Sreekanth B wrote:
> > Shall we have a F2F on 26th or so? (25th is Python Bug day).
>
> Face 2 Face looks like virtually impossible for meetings, probably because
> of work / family commitments. ?But taking one hour for a online meeting
> should not be a problem is what i think.
>
> In case we are planning an event, first we need to get someone with event
> management capabilities who can help us assist in the whole process. Am
> sure a person who is working 5 days a week will have very little time to
> spent in event management / organizing.

I was always under the impression that most of these conferences are run by 
people who are already working 24/7
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 12:58:49 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:28:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904182354o7d0510c9vd3c76a47d2e8ed12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think we *should* have a F2F first. That should get us started. We
> can do IRC meetings/mails to work out the details but we need a *live*
> meeting to lay out the basics. I propose 25 or 26th (we can decide the
> venue later). Perhaps this can be a python user group meeting (which
> we had decided to hold once a month) with special focus on the
> conference..
Let me know when you guys are meeting F2F. I would be practically
impossible for me attend, as I stay in Pune. But I could dial in or
via VOIP (skype) . Before the F2F meet,   we could have a short IRC
deciding about the agenda for it.  and to brush up things where we
left last time. I hope all the folks are back from PyCon , Elections
etc.. etc. I'm always on the #Bangpypers on irc.freenode.org.

regards
-- 
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From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 13:36:32 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:06:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20904200358p437be164y58bcc3c142a675d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00904180944w4eb69c37ra1ffa9bdea9b83e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904181643q61e007fv66736794711a996c@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904182354o7d0510c9vd3c76a47d2e8ed12@mail.gmail.com>
	<def7ddf20904200358p437be164y58bcc3c142a675d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0904200436i7d2dfefbp9910e9d202c8f19a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think we *should* have a F2F first. That should get us started. We
> > can do IRC meetings/mails to work out the details but we need a *live*
> > meeting to lay out the basics. I propose 25 or 26th (we can decide the
> > venue later). Perhaps this can be a python user group meeting (which
> > we had decided to hold once a month) with special focus on the
> > conference..
> Let me know when you guys are meeting F2F. I would be practically
> impossible for me attend, as I stay in Pune. But I could dial in or
> via VOIP (skype) . Before the F2F meet,   we could have a short IRC
> deciding about the agenda for it.  and to brush up things where we
> left last time. I hope all the folks are back from PyCon , Elections
> etc.. etc. I'm always on the #Bangpypers on irc.freenode.org.


 +1 for VOIP. I stay in Delhi and been closely following the thread but F2F
is not possible for me.

regards
Vivek


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From rmathews at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 14:13:19 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:43:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] What's the latest with Pycon India?
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d0904200436i7d2dfefbp9910e9d202c8f19a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00904180231w672b4d68w5111089bbc1f5eff@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904180634s2668e47bla08e6c0c8184e714@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904180902x1354c563xe3ec24ca1bf18f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00904180944w4eb69c37ra1ffa9bdea9b83e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba10904181643q61e007fv66736794711a996c@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904182354o7d0510c9vd3c76a47d2e8ed12@mail.gmail.com>
	<def7ddf20904200358p437be164y58bcc3c142a675d8@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?+1 for VOIP. I stay in Delhi and been closely following the thread but F2F is not possible for me.
>
Same here.  I'm shuttling between Chennai and Bangalore, so can't
commit to a F2F meeting, although I do concede that it will be good to
have one.

Roshan

From gopalm at infotechsw.com  Mon Apr 20 16:43:02 2009
From: gopalm at infotechsw.com (gopal mishra)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:13:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to save clipboard data as bmp file
Message-ID: <122EB94EB03643A29A0F07F9DCEF1BA6@pwit.com>

Hi,

 

I am trying to save my clipboard data (format is CF_ENHMETAFILE) as BitMap
file (.BMP).

 

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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 03:02:59 2009
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:02:59 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] When are we meeting? Saturday or Sunday?
Message-ID: <7c42eba10904231802p4cd1bfesb66a205a186bf4e0@mail.gmail.com>

What time? and where?

I vote for Sunday, evening 4:00 pm to 6:00 pm.

Satuday is fine with me too.


-- 
Senthil

From jace at pobox.com  Fri Apr 24 07:28:57 2009
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:58:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Zine for weblogging
Message-ID: <B57CFFDD-412D-4550-B10D-031EC09DBAE5@pobox.com>

Hello All,

While seeking a weblog app to replace my ageing Plone+Quills  
installation, I came across Zine, a Python-based WordPress clone. http://zine.pocoo.org/

By this point I had already considered and decided against WordPress,  
PyBlosxom and Yaki. Here's why Zine appealed:

1. It's an unabashed WordPress clone, created only because the author  
didn't like what he saw under the hood and felt it could be done  
better. There's no attempt to do the user-facing side differently.

2. Zine's creator, Armin Ronacher, already has a good track record  
with Pygments and Sphinx (which Python 2.6 uses for documentation).

3. It's surprisingly clean and easy to hack on. I found the WordPress  
importer unable to restore threading in comments, so I went to their  
IRC channel to discuss it. With their help, in barely an hour I learnt  
to use Mercurial (having no DVCS exposure before) and contributed a  
patch, which was a mere 2-3 lines change (and some more displaced). I  
spent the following two days making a bunch of patches, collected  
here: http://bitbucket.org/jace/zine-main/

So here's the pitch:

1. Zine is a great foundation, but it's still skeletal and needs much  
work.

2. Armin & co are having trouble finding enough spare time from their  
other interests and student responsibilities. There were no updates  
for three months until I stepped in.

3. Open source projects only survive when there's a sizeable community  
of users and developers. Zine doesn't have it, but deserves it.

4. Ergo, if you're not very set on your blogging app, please give Zine  
a chance. Every one of us has limited time to contribute, but if there  
are enough of us, we can make it a sustained improvement effort.

The IRC channel is #pocoo on irc.freenode.net (or irc://irc.freenode.net/ 
#pocoo if you'd rather click). I'm in it whenever online and will be  
glad to help. Armin is in there as mitsuhiko and is very helpful, as  
is dennda, another of the core developers.

Best,
Jace


Postscript: Why the others were rejected:

1. WordPress: in just two days I had data import errors, MySQL charset  
encoding errors (WordPress declares a table as utf8 and stores text  
twice encoded in utf8, apparently because of a MySQL bug that requires  
switching from swedish to utf8 encoding on every single server  
connection). I couldn't get myself to trust it beyond that. Folks  
who've customised WordPress also talk of what a mess it is under the  
hood. WordPress has a huge community and a very nice UI, so not using  
it is also a big loss.

2. PyBlosxom: mature codebase but seems to be falling out of favour.  
PyBlosxom will also publish entries right out of the folder you  
created them in. This is hugely empowering, but in the long run I want  
to just write, and not be concerned with where I'm placing stuff.

3. Yaki: Rui Carmo's blog+wiki combination at the.taoofmac.com. I've  
long been a fan of his format, but Yaki is clearly a personal project  
for learning Python. The code needs much tightening, and there's still  
the matter of the user having to put blog entries in the right  
subfolder.


-- 
Kiran Jonnalagadda
http://jace.seacrow.com/




From rmathews at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 07:52:43 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:22:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Zine for weblogging
In-Reply-To: <B57CFFDD-412D-4550-B10D-031EC09DBAE5@pobox.com>
References: <B57CFFDD-412D-4550-B10D-031EC09DBAE5@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780904232252m11311057lb215296e9b5c1495@mail.gmail.com>

Nice writeup, thank you.

Roshan

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com> wrote:
> While seeking a weblog app to replace my ageing Plone+Quills installation, I
> came across Zine, a Python-based WordPress clone. http://zine.pocoo.org/
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 08:59:27 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:29:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When are we meeting? Saturday or Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba10904231802p4cd1bfesb66a205a186bf4e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10904231802p4cd1bfesb66a205a186bf4e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0904232359h54a4f234v1b99aeae05b79e36@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> What time? and where?
>
> I vote for Sunday, evening 4:00 pm to 6:00 pm.
>
> Satuday is fine with me too.
>

I propose we do an IRC meeting this Sunday to get our general
bearings. The number of people who can attend will be higher.
I suggest sometime in the evening (say 2000 - 2100).

If sufficient people agree, I'll prepare and send out an agenda. We'll
try to avoid crosstalk and keep the discussion focussed.

An F2F on short notice might not be feasible. I'm okay with Sunday
1600- 1800 though. If sufficient people are coming, we can try to get
a venue.

Thanks.



-- 
~noufal

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 09:17:22 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:47:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When are we meeting? Saturday or Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904232359h54a4f234v1b99aeae05b79e36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba10904231802p4cd1bfesb66a205a186bf4e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904232359h54a4f234v1b99aeae05b79e36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <def7ddf20904240017w6e02c73fq23a4ce70ac7af10c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What time? and where?
>>
>> I vote for Sunday, evening 4:00 pm to 6:00 pm.
>>
>> Satuday is fine with me too.
>>
>
> I propose we do an IRC meeting this Sunday to get our general
> bearings. The number of people who can attend will be higher.
> I suggest sometime in the evening (say 2000 - 2100).

+ 1 , F2F sometime later week is fine after we get back to task lists
for F2F meetings, we could discuss some points on IRC, where we left
off last week.

regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Fri Apr 24 20:38:15 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:38:15 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Zine for weblogging
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780904232252m11311057lb215296e9b5c1495@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B57CFFDD-412D-4550-B10D-031EC09DBAE5@pobox.com>
	<1c4dc2780904232252m11311057lb215296e9b5c1495@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70904241138t13be4198k2907a7453fdd0b7f@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have a TODO List somewhere? (The bitbucket wiki maybe)
so that interested parties can poke at the source code/contribute?

+PG

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> Nice writeup, thank you.
>
> Roshan
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com> wrote:
>> While seeking a weblog app to replace my ageing Plone+Quills installation, I
>> came across Zine, a Python-based WordPress clone. http://zine.pocoo.org/
>>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From jace at pobox.com  Sat Apr 25 11:30:35 2009
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:00:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Zine for weblogging
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70904241138t13be4198k2907a7453fdd0b7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B57CFFDD-412D-4550-B10D-031EC09DBAE5@pobox.com>
	<1c4dc2780904232252m11311057lb215296e9b5c1495@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70904241138t13be4198k2907a7453fdd0b7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5A4D7BC-1585-408C-8A6D-9597CADFAF7D@pobox.com>

On 25-Apr-09, at 12:08 AM, Pradeep Gowda wrote:

> Do you have a TODO List somewhere? (The bitbucket wiki maybe)
> so that interested parties can poke at the source code/contribute?

Not yet. My current task list:

1. Improve threaded comment handling, such as being able to delete a  
comment in the middle of a thread without messing up the rest of the  
thread (almost done; testing before committing)

2. In the WordPress importer, ask the user if they want to discard  
protected and private posts since Zine only recognises public posts.

3. Add the ability to make protected and private posts like in  
WordPress (private should be trivial).

4. Write a LiveJournal importer that can handle both journals and  
communities. The current process of LJ -> WordPress 2.8 (svn trunk) ->  
Zine is lossy.

5. Add facility to upload media files and embed in posts. Handling  
external files is part of the architecture but has no supporting code.  
Once we get here, Zine will have all the features most bloggers will  
ever need.

6. Add a rich text editor and possibly live preview in the entry form.  
Someone's made a YUI-based plugin that replaces the standard form, but  
this sort of thing is fundamental and ought to be in the core  
distribution. If anyone is willing to transplant WordPress's editing  
widget, that will be great.

7. Add an AtomPub interface so folks can use desktop-based editors  
(Zine already does Atom for syndication).


From jace at pobox.com  Sat Apr 25 11:35:31 2009
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:05:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Zine for weblogging
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70904241138t13be4198k2907a7453fdd0b7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B57CFFDD-412D-4550-B10D-031EC09DBAE5@pobox.com>
	<1c4dc2780904232252m11311057lb215296e9b5c1495@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70904241138t13be4198k2907a7453fdd0b7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E3891B3B-38B1-4EB3-9ED5-427F21B9EB4E@pobox.com>

On 25-Apr-09, at 12:08 AM, Pradeep Gowda wrote:

> Do you have a TODO List somewhere? (The bitbucket wiki maybe)
> so that interested parties can poke at the source code/contribute?

Ah yes, one other thing: Zine's test coverage could be a lot more  
comprehensive. This can be done independent of feature additions.

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 07:34:12 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:04:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers]  Issue with CherryPy
Message-ID: <a13a3b480904262234w7756a0cw788dd58f62afdfa0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I am trying to use the CherryPy webserver to serve a simple application on
the localhost.
When I start the sever from command line using:
>>> python my_app.py

I am getting the following error in the browser:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py",
line 983, in communicate
    req.parse_request()
  File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py",
line 304, in parse_request
    self._parse_request()
  File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py",
line 317, in _parse_request
    request_line = self.rfile.readline()
  File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py",
line 212, in readline
    data = self.rfile.readline(256)
  File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py",
line 823, in readline
    nl = data.find('\n', 0, size)
AttributeError: 'cStringIO.StringO' object has no attribute 'find'

However if I start this say file from within the IDE...the application gets
served flawlessly.

Not sure why "data" above is being referred to as a 'cStringIO.StringO'
object...when it actually is a simple "str" object...and hence the 'find'
method is called.

Also, this issue is coming up only on one system. Other systems, things go
flawlessly.

has anybody seen anything like this...

Thanks and best regards
Vishal Sapre

-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"Happiness keeps u Sweet, Trials keep u Strong,
Sorrow keeps u Human, Failure Keeps u Humble,
Success keeps u Glowing, But only God Keeps u Going.....Keep Going....."
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From srsy70 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 10:31:50 2009
From: srsy70 at gmail.com (S.Ramaswamy)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:01:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Issue with CherryPy
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480904262234w7756a0cw788dd58f62afdfa0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480904262234w7756a0cw788dd58f62afdfa0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d60e5b0f0904270131n4a31c15bya84f9b19e00f79b6@mail.gmail.com>

> I am trying to use the CherryPy webserver to serve a simple application on
> the localhost.
> When I start the sever from command line using:
>>>> python my_app.py
> I am getting the following error in the browser:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py", line
> 983, in communicate
>     req.parse_request()
>   File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py", line
> 304, in parse_request
>     self._parse_request()
>   File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py", line
> 317, in _parse_request
>     request_line = self.rfile.readline()
>   File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py", line
> 212, in readline
>     data = self.rfile.readline(256)
>   File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py", line
> 823, in readline
>     nl = data.find('\n', 0, size)
> AttributeError: 'cStringIO.StringO' object has no attribute 'find'
>

http://www.cherrypy.org/ticket/843

Change in socket._fileobject breaks CherryPy 3.1 on Python 2.5.2+

A cursory google search with the error message brings up quite a few
relevant results.

Ramaswamy

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 10:56:20 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:26:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Issue with CherryPy
In-Reply-To: <d60e5b0f0904270131n4a31c15bya84f9b19e00f79b6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480904262234w7756a0cw788dd58f62afdfa0@mail.gmail.com>
	<d60e5b0f0904270131n4a31c15bya84f9b19e00f79b6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b480904270156t515b2717s502c0c62b7c3ddbd@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the help.I did do the same (searched it on CherryPy group)...alas
after positing it BangPypers.

by the way, this issue goes away with the latest install of CherryPy 3.1.2
No need to down grade Python :)

Best regards,
Vishal

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM, S.Ramaswamy <srsy70 at gmail.com> wrote:

> > I am trying to use the CherryPy webserver to serve a simple application
> on
> > the localhost.
> > When I start the sever from command line using:
> >>>> python my_app.py
> > I am getting the following error in the browser:
> >
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py",
> line
> > 983, in communicate
> >     req.parse_request()
> >   File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py",
> line
> > 304, in parse_request
> >     self._parse_request()
> >   File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py",
> line
> > 317, in _parse_request
> >     request_line = self.rfile.readline()
> >   File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py",
> line
> > 212, in readline
> >     data = self.rfile.readline(256)
> >   File "C:\Python25\lib\site-packages\cherrypy\wsgiserver\__init__.py",
> line
> > 823, in readline
> >     nl = data.find('\n', 0, size)
> > AttributeError: 'cStringIO.StringO' object has no attribute 'find'
> >
>
> http://www.cherrypy.org/ticket/843
>
> Change in socket._fileobject breaks CherryPy 3.1 on Python 2.5.2+
>
> A cursory google search with the error message brings up quite a few
> relevant results.
>
> Ramaswamy
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"Happiness keeps u Sweet, Trials keep u Strong,
Sorrow keeps u Human, Failure Keeps u Humble,
Success keeps u Glowing, But only God Keeps u Going.....Keep Going....."
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From jace at pobox.com  Tue Apr 28 00:07:25 2009
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:37:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Zine for weblogging
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70904241138t13be4198k2907a7453fdd0b7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B57CFFDD-412D-4550-B10D-031EC09DBAE5@pobox.com>
	<1c4dc2780904232252m11311057lb215296e9b5c1495@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70904241138t13be4198k2907a7453fdd0b7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3478A42F-FDC4-4FDD-A628-22E735778CA9@pobox.com>

On 25-Apr-09, at 12:08 AM, Pradeep Gowda wrote:

> Do you have a TODO List somewhere? (The bitbucket wiki maybe)
> so that interested parties can poke at the source code/contribute?

One critical pending feature is the ability to upgrade tables  
automatically. Zine uses SQLAlchemy -- if anyone has the relevant  
SQLALchemy experience (I don't), please help out.

The lack of this feature is holding up a bunch of other things that  
need database changes.

Incidentally, my LiveJournal importer can now import posts and  
associated metadata (current mood, music). However, the metadata  
cannot be imported because it needs an additional table. I'll add  
comment import later this week. Comments have an entirely different API.

Code here: http://bitbucket.org/jace/zine-plugins/


From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 01:30:11 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:30:11 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Zine for weblogging
In-Reply-To: <3478A42F-FDC4-4FDD-A628-22E735778CA9@pobox.com>
References: <B57CFFDD-412D-4550-B10D-031EC09DBAE5@pobox.com>	<1c4dc2780904232252m11311057lb215296e9b5c1495@mail.gmail.com>	<3e3294b70904241138t13be4198k2907a7453fdd0b7f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3478A42F-FDC4-4FDD-A628-22E735778CA9@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <49F64003.9030601@gmail.com>

On 09-04-27 03:07 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
>
> One critical pending feature is the ability to upgrade tables
> automatically. Zine uses SQLAlchemy -- if anyone has the relevant
> SQLALchemy experience (I don't), please help out.

Are you looking for RoR-style migrations?

  http://packages.python.org/sqlalchemy-migrate/



From jace at pobox.com  Tue Apr 28 02:43:25 2009
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:13:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Zine for weblogging
In-Reply-To: <49F64003.9030601@gmail.com>
References: <B57CFFDD-412D-4550-B10D-031EC09DBAE5@pobox.com>
	<1c4dc2780904232252m11311057lb215296e9b5c1495@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70904241138t13be4198k2907a7453fdd0b7f@mail.gmail.com>
	<3478A42F-FDC4-4FDD-A628-22E735778CA9@pobox.com>
	<49F64003.9030601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1b501120904271743o32f12350v4e2e857fa08a847f@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/28 Sridhar Ratnakumar <sridhar.ratna at gmail.com>
>
> Are you looking for RoR-style migrations?
>
> ?http://packages.python.org/sqlalchemy-migrate/

[03:48am] jace: mitsuhiko: does this help?
http://code.google.com/p/sqlalchemy-migrate/
[03:49am] mitsuhiko: jace: there are some problems with that, can
explain that if you want tomorrow
[03:49am] mitsuhiko: have to go now

--
Kiran Jonnalagadda
http://jace.seacrow.com/

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 13:08:27 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:38:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
Message-ID: <def7ddf20904280408u26702874p1046bc6216336cbc@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everybody.

Since most of the folks here expressed an interest to hold  a face to
face meeting for planing pycon. I would like to propose a Python Day.
Sometime in late June/July, It might give people from outside
Bengaluru enough time to plan a travel for a weekend. So many people
from around India can participate and meet fellow pythonists. But the
main agenda is for all the interested stake holders of the Pycon India
Conference to plan for PyCon India. This is going to be a small event
, not as big as pycon india itself. We would need volunteers to give
some talks. Since most of this is a volunteer run event, we would need
someone to sponsor space, meeting room projector, stationeries

Possible venues in Bengaluru::
* Yahoo
* Thoughtworks
* Directi

* Pythonists in India gathering together.
* All the Interested stake holders for organising a PyCon India
* 4 - 5 talks on Python and related topics
* Sprints, If someone proposes a topic
* Hopefully a tutorial, if someone wants to do, or if students turn up
for this event.
* Probable  Dates ::
	o 27th June 2009, Saturday
	o 28th June 2009, Sunday
	o 4th July, Saturday
	o 5th July Sunday

P.S :: If you guys want a Python day in Pune, this can be done too .

regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 14:24:15 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:54:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20904280408u26702874p1046bc6216336cbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20904280408u26702874p1046bc6216336cbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0904280524g6cc726j72a0798cd7efc4fa@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everybody.
>
> Since most of the folks here expressed an interest to hold ?a face to
> face meeting for planing pycon. I would like to propose a Python Day.
> Sometime in late June/July, It might give people from outside
> Bengaluru enough time to plan a travel for a weekend. So many people
> from around India can participate and meet fellow pythonists. But the
> main agenda is for all the interested stake holders of the Pycon India
> Conference to plan for PyCon India. This is going to be a small event
> , not as big as pycon india itself. We would need volunteers to give
> some talks. Since most of this is a volunteer run event, we would need
> someone to sponsor space, meeting room projector, stationeries

+1 for the idea

This sounds like a slightly larger "Python User Group" meeting.

-- 
~noufal

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 14:26:05 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:56:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0904280524g6cc726j72a0798cd7efc4fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20904280408u26702874p1046bc6216336cbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904280524g6cc726j72a0798cd7efc4fa@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello everybody.
> >
> > Since most of the folks here expressed an interest to hold  a face to
> > face meeting for planing pycon. I would like to propose a Python Day.
> > Sometime in late June/July, It might give people from outside
> > Bengaluru enough time to plan a travel for a weekend. So many people
> > from around India can participate and meet fellow pythonists. But the
> > main agenda is for all the interested stake holders of the Pycon India
> > Conference to plan for PyCon India. This is going to be a small event
> > , not as big as pycon india itself. We would need volunteers to give
> > some talks. Since most of this is a volunteer run event, we would need
> > someone to sponsor space, meeting room projector, stationeries
>

This is a very good idea. We have been talking of a Pycon
but this gives a forum for people to come together to discuss
the topics for a shorter time period. Certainly this would
lead to ideas which can be used for a larger Pycon India.

+1


>
>
> +1 for the idea
>
> This sounds like a slightly larger "Python User Group" meeting.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> _______________________________________________
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From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 14:36:02 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:06:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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>
> This is a very good idea. We have been talking of a Pycon
> but this gives a forum for people to come together to discuss
> the topics for a shorter time period. Certainly this would
> lead to ideas which can be used for a larger Pycon India.
>
> +1

-1
Meeting in june/july will be too late to plan for an event in september.

Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 15:14:33 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:44:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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References: <def7ddf20904280408u26702874p1046bc6216336cbc@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> >
> > This is a very good idea. We have been talking of a Pycon
> > but this gives a forum for people to come together to discuss
> > the topics for a shorter time period. Certainly this would
> > lead to ideas which can be used for a larger Pycon India.
> >
> > +1
>
> -1
> Meeting in june/july will be too late to plan for an event in september.


Do we *have* an event in september ? Yes, we are talking about it
but it hasn't materialized yet. At least a one day event is quite feasible
in terms of the logistics.

Isn't taking baby steps better than planning for the proverbial
giant leap ? I definitely favor this approach, because of one thing -
we can actually get this done.

+1 definitely


>
>
> Anand
> _______________________________________________
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 19:09:46 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:09:46 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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	<8548c5f30904280526ge55e431o5a66a29b3a5153a9@mail.gmail.com>
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Let me chime in here.

A couple of us in B'lore (Anand C, Senthil and myself) met last
weekend on the bug day (25/April) to talk about Python in general and
the topic of the conference came up. A couple of ideas got thrown
around and I've just finished distilling them into something a little
more concrete (attached below).

I was one of the people who wanted to do the Indian pycon really *big*
but after actually coming up with some numbers and stuff, things look
different. Things not only look different but the whole affair looks
achievable if the aims are modest. I have zero experience with
organising stuff but I'm sure some of the more seasoned Free Software
folks on this list can comment better.

While I think Ramakrishna's suggestion to hold a pycon-lite as a
preparation for the event is a good one, I don't think we should do it
as a pycon. A extra half an hour during one of our user group meetings
to specifically discuss the pycon would be better.

Anand B.'s concern is a valid one too (we don't *really* have an event
in September). However, I don't think it's impossible to have one. Of
course, we need to plan and push for it but I think it's doable.

So, with that preamble, I'm attaching the stuff (which is just a
random bunch of jottings when we talked over the weekend). It makes
the whole thing look a little more down to earth and something we can
aim for.

As for Ramakrishna's idea, I think we should use a slot during one of
our 'regular' user group meetings to discuss the *real* conference.

What do all of you think?
                             pycon-india
                             ===========

Author: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at sanctuary>
Date: 2009-04-28 22:39:01 IST


Table of Contents
=================
1 PyCon India discussion
    1.1 Items discussed
        1.1.1 Venue
        1.1.2 Format
        1.1.3 Speakers from outside
        1.1.4 Site
        1.1.5 Money matters
        1.1.6 Publicity/sponsorhip
        1.1.7 Approx expenses
    1.2 Things to do
    1.3 Approx timeline


1 PyCon India discussion
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1.1 Items discussed
====================

1.1.1 Venue
------------
    - Probably at an academic institution.
    - Anand has contacted some folks at IISc. and come up with this
      - It's possible to get the some lecture halls and
        stuff from the college if *one of the profs is there on the
        conference organising committee*.

1.1.2 Format
-------------
    - We are hoping for roughly  14-16 slots among which 7-8 will be
      newbie topics and 7-8 will be advanced.
    - In order to fill slots and make the event richer, we are
      considering open spaces and BOF events.
    - We are also open to lightning talks which can fill gaps and make
      the event interesting.
    - We are planning this to be a one day event scheduled for
      sometime in last September (approx. timeline is there below).
    - We are currently leaning towards not having a keynote
      speaker. If things change, we might consider one later.
    - We are planning to keep a registration fee of Rs. 200 (early
      bird) and Rs. 300 (spot)

1.1.3 Speakers from outside
----------------------------
    - If we *do* get speakers from outside, we will pay for
      accomodation, food and local transport (not for travel).
    - This will cost us roughly 3000 per per person.

1.1.4 Site
-----------
    - We are planning to ask Kenneth if we can reuse the software
      which he has
    - We are planning to get the pycon domain name from the PSF (in.pycon.org)
    - It might be a good idea to ask Kenneth to take over the web
      details completely.

1.1.5 Money matters
--------------------
    - We need an account to hold the funds we gather/collect.
    - Kenneth might be the person who can arrange for us to use an account.

1.1.6 Publicity/sponsorhip
---------------------------
    - We need to leverage personal contacts (companies where we work,
      people we know) to get information about sponsors as well as the
      news to spread through the hacker crowd.

1.1.7 Approx expenses
----------------------
      Item                       Rough cost   Notes
     --------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------
      Venue                           10000   Anand has positive
feedback from IIsc.
      Projectors/Sound systems        10000   Can the college provide
these?
      Food                            10000   Outsourced to a caterer
      Wifi                                ?   Contact Ramdas for this
      Swag                            20000   T-shirts, pens, notepads
etc.
      External speakers               24000   8 external speakers
     --------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------
      Total                           74000   Approx. 100,000 (with
safety margin)

1.2 Things to do
=================
   - Site + Financial aspects - Ask Kenneth [Noufal]
   - Venue
     - talk to IISc.  [Anand]
     - talk to Ramdas about school [Senthil]
   - Wifi
     - Talk to Ramdas about this [ Senthil]
     - Talk to Ramakrishna about this [ Senthil]
   - Getting Bruce Eckel for the keynote [ Senthil to talk to Anand Pillai]

1.3 Approx timeline
====================
     Date          Activity
    -------------+-----------------------------------------------------
     By 31/April   Fix venue, date and No. of days
     By 7/May      Setup site, registration, logo contest
     Till 30/May   Advertise on blogs, mail lists, twitter, sites etc.
     On 15/Jun     Call for CFP
     On 15/Aug     CFP closed
     30/Aug        Notify selected speakers


-- 
~noufal

From ramdas at developeriq.com  Tue Apr 28 19:50:56 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:20:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30904280614g198807b2i4a27fbe11e4d1d5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <def7ddf20904280408u26702874p1046bc6216336cbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0904280524g6cc726j72a0798cd7efc4fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904280526ge55e431o5a66a29b3a5153a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0904280536k141f6c18te4955d7f195ff1ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30904280614g198807b2i4a27fbe11e4d1d5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00904281050u21287bcbp13c23b11fb05d3fb@mail.gmail.com>

nice idea. This can give us an idea how many guys will turn iup for actual
event

Ramdas

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> >
>> > This is a very good idea. We have been talking of a Pycon
>> > but this gives a forum for people to come together to discuss
>> > the topics for a shorter time period. Certainly this would
>> > lead to ideas which can be used for a larger Pycon India.
>> >
>> > +1
>>
>> -1
>> Meeting in june/july will be too late to plan for an event in september.
>
>
> Do we *have* an event in september ? Yes, we are talking about it
> but it hasn't materialized yet. At least a one day event is quite feasible
> in terms of the logistics.
>
> Isn't taking baby steps better than planning for the proverbial
> giant leap ? I definitely favor this approach, because of one thing -
> we can actually get this done.
>
> +1 definitely
>
>
>>
>>
>> Anand
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> -Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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>
>


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From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 06:34:29 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:04:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
In-Reply-To: <def7ddf20904280408u26702874p1046bc6216336cbc@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello everybody.
>
> Since most of the folks here expressed an interest to hold  a face to
> face meeting for planing pycon. I would like to propose a Python Day.
> Sometime in late June/July, It might give people from outside
> Bengaluru enough time to plan a travel for a weekend. So many people
> from around India can participate and meet fellow pythonists. But the
> main agenda is for all the interested stake holders of the Pycon India
> Conference to plan for PyCon India. This is going to be a small event
> , not as big as pycon india itself. We would need volunteers to give
> some talks. Since most of this is a volunteer run event, we would need
> someone to sponsor space, meeting room projector, stationeries
>
> Possible venues in Bengaluru::
> * Yahoo
> * Thoughtworks
> * Directi
>
> * Pythonists in India gathering together.
> * All the Interested stake holders for organising a PyCon India
> * 4 - 5 talks on Python and related topics
> * Sprints, If someone proposes a topic
> * Hopefully a tutorial, if someone wants to do, or if students turn up
> for this event.
> * Probable  Dates ::
>        o 27th June 2009, Saturday
>        o 28th June 2009, Sunday
>        o 4th July, Saturday
>        o 5th July Sunday
>
> P.S :: If you guys want a Python day in Pune, this can be done too .


 +1 for the idea
+1 for pune as a venue.

If you guys are interested in holding this in Delhi then I can help
arranging that  but in August (after colleges reopen)

regards
Vivek

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From duakapil at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 06:49:09 2009
From: duakapil at gmail.com (Kapsicum)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:19:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody.
>>
>> Since most of the folks here expressed an interest to hold  a face to
>> face meeting for planing pycon. I would like to propose a Python Day.
>> Sometime in late June/July, It might give people from outside
>> Bengaluru enough time to plan a travel for a weekend. So many people
>> from around India can participate and meet fellow pythonists. But the
>> main agenda is for all the interested stake holders of the Pycon India
>> Conference to plan for PyCon India. This is going to be a small event
>> , not as big as pycon india itself. We would need volunteers to give
>> some talks. Since most of this is a volunteer run event, we would need
>> someone to sponsor space, meeting room projector, stationeries
>>
>> Possible venues in Bengaluru::
>> * Yahoo
>> * Thoughtworks
>> * Directi
>>
>> * Pythonists in India gathering together.
>> * All the Interested stake holders for organising a PyCon India
>> * 4 - 5 talks on Python and related topics
>> * Sprints, If someone proposes a topic
>> * Hopefully a tutorial, if someone wants to do, or if students turn up
>> for this event.
>> * Probable  Dates ::
>>        o 27th June 2009, Saturday
>>        o 28th June 2009, Sunday
>>        o 4th July, Saturday
>>        o 5th July Sunday
>>
>> P.S :: If you guys want a Python day in Pune, this can be done too .
>
>

idea ++
pune ++



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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 06:54:39 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:24:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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Suppose we have a mini meeting in June, what would our timeline be
like after that in order to get something going in September?

-- 
~noufal

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 07:02:33 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:32:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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	<8548c5f30904280526ge55e431o5a66a29b3a5153a9@mail.gmail.com> 
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> nice idea. This can give us an idea how many guys will turn iup for actual
> event

No, it only dilutes the spirit of PyCon. some people may decide to
attend only one of these two.

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 19:24:53 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:24:53 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a mini pycon, that
will be the end of the real conference I think. I'm -1 for that.

However, putting an extra session during a user group meeting to
discuss the PyCon will be fruitful and will move us towards a
conference. I'm +1 for this.

What do you you guys think of the outline I sent out?

-- 
~noufal

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 01:17:04 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:47:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a mini pycon, that
> will be the end of the real conference I think. I'm -1 for that.
>
> However, putting an extra session during a user group meeting to
> discuss the PyCon will be fruitful and will move us towards a
> conference. I'm +1 for this.
>
> What do you you guys think of the outline I sent out?


IMO that is pure FUD...

regards
Vivek

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From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 07:20:55 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:50:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> IMO that is pure FUD...
[..]

Fair enough. If we are going to have a pycon-lite in June as
Ramakrishna suggested, we need to come up with some kind of timelines
for when that will happen and what we will do after that for the big
one. I think concrete dates might help to show that my feeling that
it's too close is justified.

Anyone?
-- 
~noufal

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Apr 30 07:36:29 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:06:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Thursday 30 April 2009 04:47:04 Vivek Khurana wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a mini pycon, that
> > will be the end of the real conference I think. I'm -1 for that.
> >
> > However, putting an extra session during a user group meeting to
> > discuss the PyCon will be fruitful and will move us towards a
> > conference. I'm +1 for this.
> >
> > What do you you guys think of the outline I sent out?
>
> IMO that is pure FUD...

what exactly is FUD?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From ramdas at developeriq.com  Thu Apr 30 07:41:26 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:11:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Thursday 30 April 2009 04:47:04 Vivek Khurana wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a mini pycon, that
> > > will be the end of the real conference I think. I'm -1 for that.
> > >
> > > However, putting an extra session during a user group meeting to
> > > discuss the PyCon will be fruitful and will move us towards a
> > > conference. I'm +1 for this.
> > >
> > > What do you you guys think of the outline I sent out?
> >
> > IMO that is pure FUD...
>
> what exactly is FUD?
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Associate
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From b.ghose at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 07:41:33 2009
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:11:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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>> IMO that is pure FUD...
>
> what exactly is FUD?

Fear Uncertainty & Doubt.

Regards,
BG

-- 
Baishampayan Ghose
b.ghose at gmail.com

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Apr 30 08:08:36 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:38:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Thursday 30 April 2009 11:11:26 Ramdas S wrote:
> Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt

I know that - what part of what Noufal said is FUD?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 08:30:13 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:00:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Thursday 30 April 2009 11:11:26 Ramdas S wrote:
> > Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt
>
> I know that - what part of what Noufal said is FUD?


 The portion that says "If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a
mini pycon, that will be the end of the real conference I think"

regards
Vivek

>
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Associate
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From anandology at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 08:45:06 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:15:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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>> I know that - what part of what Noufal said is FUD?
>
> ?The portion that says "If we actually spend time and energy *organising* a
> mini pycon, that will be the end of the real conference I think"

I agree with Noufal here.

What are we trying to achieve by running a mini pycon? If we are
planning to see people traveling from other places, then why not do
pycon directly?

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 10:18:09 2009
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:48:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:


> What are we trying to achieve by running a mini pycon? If we are
> planning to see people traveling from other places, then why not do
> pycon directly?

We'll this is just a day , not even a mini conf, something bigger than
a bangpypers meet and small than a miniconf. We can have talks by
volunteers but one of the main goal is people meeting face to face to
discuss for PyCon India Itself. Interested folks will turn for this
event, since its a volunteer event. The Python day can be achieved as
we really do not have to worry about logistics, money management and
sponsors, except for a moderator and a venue where we can have to do
the actual discussion, which isnt a big issue, coz a person would need
to book the meeting room for the whole day, with the company, instead
of a few hours like a user group meet. if Pune is okey with you folks,
I can arrange for it. But Bangalore would be ideal as many folks stay
there.

The travel is payed by the volunteer himself , this is just for the
guy who are coming from outstation. It will be interesting to see how
many people will turn up. Since most of the people I know who are
interested in this are in bangalore itself. It would leave guys like
Kenneth, Parthan, Kushal das,  bbghose, Vivek Khurana and me. Most of
the outstation folks in Bangpypers, or at least the guys who have
participated in the discussions I guess have a place to crash in
Bangalore. So if the date can be finalized, someone can get in touch
with companies that can host the event for a day on a weekend. I'll
try with my contacts in bangalore. I will book my tickets.

@Noufal
We do not really need CFP or something like that for a python day.
Lets discuss the topics which can interest people. Intermediate to
Expert level, this is just for python day. If newbies / students can
come to the event , that would be great. we can show them the manuals,
impromptu basic talks can be cooked up any time. The no. of people I
hope would be around 20 - 30. But once the talks are over or we
schedule time for the pycon india discussion itself, which might take
some time.  We can finalise on the roles of the individual for the
actual conference.

P.S :: Another Important topic is, if say a not for profit society
needs to be formed, (we might face the issue when the money flows in
with sponsors for the actual conference) we can get signatories at the
python day itself ;-) anyway this will be totally another thread and
is OT for this thread.

regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy                                               GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
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From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 10:34:40 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:04:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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Hello Ramakrishna,

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> What are we trying to achieve by running a mini pycon? If we are
>> planning to see people traveling from other places, then why not do
>> pycon directly?

[..]

Bangalore or Pune is not an issue. Either way, approximately one half
of the interested crowd will travel. I prefer B'lore since I'm here
but if the center of gravity is in Pune, I'm fine with travelling
there.

> @Noufal
> We do not really need CFP or something like that for a python day.
> Lets discuss the topics which can interest people. Intermediate to
> Expert level, this is just for python day. If newbies / students can
> come to the event , that would be great. we can show them the manuals,
> impromptu basic talks can be cooked up any time. The no. of people I
> hope would be around 20 - 30. But once the talks are over or we
> schedule time for the pycon india discussion itself, which might take
> some time. ?We can finalise on the roles of the individual for the
> actual conference.

Exactly. If we do this as an extension of a regular 'user group'
meeting, Something like this
"The next Python User Group meeting is on 15/June. The talks planned
are so and so. We're planning to do it from 5 to 7. Time from 6:30 to
7 is reserved to discuss the upcoming PyCon India planned for
September"
is fine by me and like I said, I'm +1 for it. This is like a F2F for
the PyCon which is piggybacking on the regular user group meetings.

On the other hand, if we want this to be an 'attempt' at a conference,
I think it will dissipate our focus. That's what I'm -1 for.
I'm not convinced by the "Atleast we *can* do this so we should" line
of argument because I think a small-medium sized PyCon in September is
realisable if we start planning and doing things right away.


-- 
~noufal

From anandology at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 10:47:38 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:17:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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> P.S :: Another Important topic is, if say a not for profit society
> needs to be formed, (we might face the issue when the money flows in
> with sponsors for the actual conference) we can get signatories at the
> python day itself ;-) anyway this will be totally another thread and
> is OT for this thread.

Ramdas suggested that we can ask the sponsors to take care of expenses
directly instead of giving money to us. That looks the best idea to
start with and we can discuss about forming not-for-profit society at
the conference.

From ramdas at developeriq.com  Thu Apr 30 11:23:38 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:53:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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Let me explain.

Starting a society even not for profit has its own little legal tangles and
will also cost some monies (less than 10 K). But most importantly you'll
need to keep accounts, ensure that returns are filed, even if not much
transaction happen etc etc

See I dont see the costs scaling upwards of 1.1 L or so for a single day
event, and we have about 5-6 different expenses, and it'll be better if the
sponsors are alloted some expense or other. Saves us money management.

This is possible if the plans are for one day event, but for a larger scale
we may have to get some bigger sponsors. I am purely looking at Python
focused companies chipping in, who can claim the expense as their opex.

Ramdas

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> > P.S :: Another Important topic is, if say a not for profit society
> > needs to be formed, (we might face the issue when the money flows in
> > with sponsors for the actual conference) we can get signatories at the
> > python day itself ;-) anyway this will be totally another thread and
> > is OT for this thread.
>
> Ramdas suggested that we can ask the sponsors to take care of expenses
> directly instead of giving money to us. That looks the best idea to
> start with and we can discuss about forming not-for-profit society at
> the conference.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 14:10:45 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:40:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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While these inputs are valuable, they are OT.
Let's stick to the discussion of the PyCon-lite.

-- 
~noufal

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 14:16:57 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:46:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:

> Let me explain.
>
> Starting a society even not for profit has its own little legal tangles and
> will also cost some monies (less than 10 K). But most importantly you'll
> need to keep accounts, ensure that returns are filed, even if not much
> transaction happen etc etc
>
> See I dont see the costs scaling upwards of 1.1 L or so for a single day
> event, and we have about 5-6 different expenses, and it'll be better if the
> sponsors are alloted some expense or other. Saves us money management.
>
> This is possible if the plans are for one day event, but for a larger scale
> we may have to get some bigger sponsors. I am purely looking at Python
> focused companies chipping in, who can claim the expense as their opex.


Sponsors are the most important, since without sponsor interest you
don't have an event.

While we are talking away to glory, has anyone tried to measure the
pulse of the prospective sponsors to see whether we could get the
kind of money and support required for having a 3 day PyCon India
in September ?

Without that all this is just that, talk.


>
>
> R


-Anand
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From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 15:40:57 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:10:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> While we are talking away to glory, has anyone tried to measure the
> pulse of the prospective sponsors to see whether we could get the
> kind of money and support required for having a 3 day PyCon India
> in September ?

I don't expect anyone would. However, the outline I sent was something
for a one day event with 2 or 3 tracks which is not too bad. There are
some cost estimates as well. The overflow beyond the income from
registration is not much so it's look a lot more feasible. Which is
why I think we should focus on that and *make* it move forward.

-- 
~noufal

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 17:32:56 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:32:56 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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Unless we get a little more concrete about the PyCon-lite idea that
Ramakrishnan suggested, I think we should move forward with the
September idea. Otherwise, this will degenerate into total "talking
away to glory".

Some timelines and expense estimates would be a good start.
--
~noufal

From ramdas at developeriq.com  Thu Apr 30 18:19:43 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:49:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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Always for anything its smart to start with a budget.

We know we can do a single day event for about 1 L plus, and yes, I know
sponsorship can be raised for the same. We had written commitments for
around the same kind of figure last time we planned a Python conference. A
Pycon branding should help us easily raise that number. So take it for
granted a one day event is possible.

For a 3 day event I think the costs will be 3 L + ( that is in our budget
style conference, not a hi-fi one), I am not sure how much of an effort will
be required though it's not impossible in anyways to raise that kind of
funds.

The point here, we need to be clear what we want to do. I am sorry to say,
the jingoism seen usually on IRC is never quite reflected on ground.

While a 3 day event is a great idea, I will suggest that we do a good 1 day
or even a 2 day event. Lofty aims are great, but not at the risk of falling
flat somewhere.

It'll be nice if we can have an idea how many people are going to turn up
for the event? It all depends on how we drive it, and I can assure you
without even a single Rupee investment, and with pure goodwill and simple
efforts from the user group members, you can reach 99% of all Python
aficionados   in the country and may be across the world.

I am still clueless, whether the event will attract 50,100,150,200, 250 or
more?

I think a well marketed event(without spending any real money) can get you
as high as 250 pythonistas walking in. However we need to basically take a
few calls and announce early and do the needful. Again I can be mistaken.

However all this is possible if we can have at least 5 people meeting at a
common place, and discussing the issues, and taking some decisions, like the
date, the number of dates, venue etc.  And then get on with the content,
logistics and sponsorships. Everyone can do their bit by posting updates on
the event on their web sites/blogs and forums, and generally spreading the
message in each and every software company you can reach to.

Sponsorship interests will also vary on number of people coming in, quality
of people etc.

So please can we have a meeting, a ** real meeting** to discuss Pycon India?
While it's unfair to expect people outside Bangalore to make it to the
meeting,we can have a live IRC update of actual discussions of the meeting
so everyone can still have their say.

I think once the Pycon idea is freezed, and announced officially, and
various committes planned we can explore the smaller meeting/conference...




On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unless we get a little more concrete about the PyCon-lite idea that
> Ramakrishnan suggested, I think we should move forward with the
> September idea. Otherwise, this will degenerate into total "talking
> away to glory".
>
> Some timelines and expense estimates would be a good start.
> --
> ~noufal
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> BangPypers at python.org
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From dl.goutham at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 19:24:12 2009
From: dl.goutham at gmail.com (Goutham D L)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:54:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Emacs
Message-ID: <2bcf25780904301024r79b06867i4f741546230426ca@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I was wondering if anyone tried emacs for python under windows. I
installed Xemacs  and it works fine for normal tasks.
However, Iam having trouble with pymacs. It installed properly but
when I try to eval something it gives the symbol's definition is void
error.Anyone knows why?

Regrads,
Goutham

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 19:40:52 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:40:52 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Emacs
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Goutham D L <dl.goutham at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I was wondering if anyone tried emacs for python under windows. I
> installed Xemacs ?and it works fine for normal tasks.
> However, Iam having trouble with pymacs. It installed properly but
> when I try to eval something it gives the symbol's definition is void
> error.Anyone knows why?
>

I haven't used Pymacs under windows (although I've used Python-mode
and other pure elisp stuff on windows). Also, I haven't had good
experiences with Xemacs. Gnu Emacs (NTEmacs on windows) has been a
better application in my experience.


-- 
~noufal

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 19:45:53 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:45:53 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Ramdas S <ramdas at developeriq.com> wrote:
[..]
>
> So please can we have a meeting, a ** real meeting** to discuss Pycon India?
> While it's unfair to expect people outside Bangalore to make it to the
> meeting,we can have a live IRC update of actual discussions of the meeting
> so everyone can still have their say.
>
> I think once the Pycon idea is freezed, and announced officially, and
> various committes planned we can explore the smaller meeting/conference...
[..]

This sounds like the right way to go. I'm not totally sure if the live
IRC thing will work out but a *real* meeting is necessary.
If one of the open source friendly companies (ZeOmega, ThoughtWorks
etc.) can get us a venue, I think having it on 3/May is good. I have
some familiy matters to take care of and won't be around for a week
but if there's sufficient crowd (atleast 5-10 people), it'd be enough
to get this whole thing rolling. I can pitch in as soon as I'm back.

So, is May 3 fine with everyone? Can we get a venue?



-- 
~noufal

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 21:29:27 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 00:59:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> So, is May 3 fine with everyone? Can we get a venue?

Thoughtworks will be available as a venue.

Let me know and I'll make the arrangements

-- Ram

From ramdas at developeriq.com  Thu Apr 30 22:36:41 2009
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 02:06:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Day India
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I will make  it on 3rd Sunday! Let's get talking. Thoughtworks is fine....

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > So, is May 3 fine with everyone? Can we get a venue?
>
> Thoughtworks will be available as a venue.
>
> Let me know and I'll make the arrangements
>
> -- Ram
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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-- 
Ramdas S
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