[BangPypers] Python grows in 2007

Thu Jan 3 15:23:55 CET 2008

This is a great discussion. We can look at some factors and trends:

1. Adoption of Python in leading influencers in marketplace (Third most used
language in Google, IronPython on the rise in Microsoft, Python efforts at
Sun etc.)
2. Typical sponsors, attendees of Python conferences like PyCon
3. The number of applications, libraries, web frameworks in Python
4. Google trends (
http://www.google.com/trends?q=perl%2C+python%2C+php%2C+ruby%2C+javascript&ctab=0&geo=all&date=2007&sort=0).
This just shows search trends which does not really mean much.
5. Number of open source packages written in Python (vs PERL, PHP, Ruby,
Java, C# in the last 2 years)

I am a Python fan too and feel that it has the best mix of elegance and
productivity. But I always wonder why some of the most popular web
applications - WikiMedia, Wordpress, Flickr, Facebook are all based on PHP.
Is it the scalability? Simplicity? The availability of free tools and
libraries? Low entry point coming in from C?

I would love a discussion on this subject. If the language is popular, more
people try to train in it.

On Jan 3, 2008 7:44 PM, Indrajith K <indrajith.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> Its nice to see Python moving up the ladder. But it has to be seen how
> to interpret this statistics. The word "popular" if I could make out
> is rated by its presence in the internet. The web site clearly
> mentions "Observe that the TIOBE index is not about the best
> programming language or the language in which most lines of code have
> been written." So, the "popularity" is in fact the activity on that
> language. It might be wrong to relate it with the usage and industry
> requirement. It is very well understandable, that a new programming
> language can generate lot of activity. An established programming
> language like C or C++ may not have that much activity. Esp, when
> internet applications are growing in number, and could well expect the
> "web" related languages will have the advantage during this time
> period. Out of the first ten, 7 are languages more suited for web
> development.
>
> So, in case Python rating drops in the future, I don't mind. Its the
> best programming language I have come across.
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 6:56 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > A few more observations...
> >
> > o The language "D" is slowly on its way up.
> > o Lua has the fastest growth from posn 46 to posn 20!
> > o Contrary to popular jokes, COBOL is still alive and in fact growing :D
> >
> > This validates my theory that the very high level language trio of
> > Python, Ruby,PHP
> > and its associates Lua etc are the future languages to look out for.
> >
> > And "D" looks set to be the C++++ for the future. (the ++ is no typo!)
> >
> > I invite you to draw your own observations. Btw, the TIOBE index is
> > the popular programming language index on the web. I am not
> > sure what methods they use to calculate these numbers or how scientific
> > they are...
> >
> > --Anand
> >
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2008 6:47 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > The TIOBE programming languages community index {
> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm}
> > > shows that Python has gone a step higher in Dec 07 when compared to
> Dec 06.
> > >
> > > Python was at position 7 in 06 and now it is at position 6. Ruby has
> jumped
> > > two notches from position 11 to position 9.
> > >
> > > Other interesting trends is that Java has managed to keep the top-spot
> > > while C++ is on a downward trend. It is also interesting to see the
> drop
> > > in Perl - I guess a lot of Perl programmers are moving to Ruby or
> Python :)
> > >
> > > The chart below shows the long term trends. A quick look provides
> > > some interesting observations.
> > >
> > >  o C++ has been on a downward slope since 2005
> > >  o The Java graph has an overall negative trend since 2001, but
> > >     has numerous large peaks and troughs with the most recent
> > >     being an upward growth. In general the growth has been flat
> > >    since mid 2005
> > >  o Perl is clearly on an downward trend
> > >  o PHP is overall on an upward trend
> > >  o Python had a dramatic peak in early-mid 2004 which spiked
> > >    its popularity (I wonder what caused it!) which it has managed
> > >    to improve further.
> > >  o Ruby has had a major surge in late 2006-2007 and is now
> > >    almost equaling Python though the growth rate of Python is
> > >    slightly more than that of Ruby
> > > o Visual  Basic is on an overall flat trend since 2002 managing to
> > >   keep its space and actually growing in 2007
> > >
> > > Good news for Python programmers ... The full report will be
> > > released some time soon.
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Anand
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Anand
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