From Vishnu_Sasidharan at mindtree.com Sat Oct 6 09:52:04 2007
From: Vishnu_Sasidharan at mindtree.com (Vishnu Sasidharan)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:22:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python-help
Message-ID: <16271F716C971E4BBBE29C45FA4A0138055372AA@mtw01ex01.mindtree.com>
Hi
While trying to run python I am getting a 16 bit MS-DOS subsystem error
saying that "the NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction".
I am using AMD64 machine with WinXP SP2 32bit OS. I have been having this
issue for some days, so today I tried installing the same msi on a different
machine with similar configuration and voila! It's working there. So
basically I wanted to know like what is missing or different in my machine
which is stopping me from using Python or like what dependencies this has. So
anyone has any experience of such similar errors? It might work after I
format or reinstall the OS, but I want try all the workarounds before doing
that. So any help?
Regards,
Vishnu
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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 18:54:08 2007
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 22:24:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python-help
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On 10/6/07, Vishnu Sasidharan wrote:
>
> While trying to run python I am getting a 16 bit MS-DOS subsystem error
> saying that "the NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction".
>
> I am using AMD64 machine with WinXP SP2 32bit OS. I have been having this
Try installing again, using the right executable,
http://python.org/ftp/python/2.5.1/python-2.5.1.amd64.msi
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From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 23:15:36 2007
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:45:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python-help
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A bit of googling seems to show that this has something to do with the
cygwin version of python in cmd.exe .
On 10/6/07, Vishnu Sasidharan wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> While trying to run python I am getting a 16 bit MS-DOS subsystem error
> saying that "the NTVDM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction".
>
> I am using AMD64 machine with WinXP SP2 32bit OS. I have been having this
> issue for some days, so today I tried installing the same msi on a different
> machine with similar configuration and voila! It's working there. So
> basically I wanted to know like what is missing or different in my machine
> which is stopping me from using Python or like what dependencies this has.
> So anyone has any experience of such similar errors? It might work after I
> format or reinstall the OS, but I want try all the workarounds before doing
> that. So any help?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Vishnu
>
>
>
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From pintooo15 at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 02:14:47 2007
From: pintooo15 at gmail.com (Diabolic Preacher)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:44:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python-help
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On 07/10/2007, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
...
> > I am using AMD64 machine with WinXP SP2 32bit OS. I have been having this
>
> Try installing again, using the right executable,
> http://python.org/ftp/python/2.5.1/python-2.5.1.amd64.msi
should the 'amd64' version be used on WinXP SP2 '32-bit' OS?
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From ksppkan at yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 05:49:41 2007
From: ksppkan at yahoo.com (Krishna)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:49:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
Message-ID: <480595.76947.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Hi.
I knew that there were some python classes conducted in Bangalore some time ago.
Are they still going on.
I would like to know if any of the group members is conducting python classes.
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From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com Tue Oct 9 08:48:49 2007
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:18:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python-help
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No, that would be for the 64 bit os.
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> On 07/10/2007, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
> ...
> > > I am using AMD64 machine with WinXP SP2 32bit OS. I have been having
> this
> >
> > Try installing again, using the right executable,
> > http://python.org/ftp/python/2.5.1/python-2.5.1.amd64.msi
>
> should the 'amd64' version be used on WinXP SP2 '32-bit' OS?
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From ksppkan at yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 14:18:11 2007
From: ksppkan at yahoo.com (Krishna)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:18:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
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Hi.
Any suggestions on what is a good book to start with on Python.
Thanks.
Krishnakanth./
Krishna wrote:
Hi.
I knew that there were some python classes conducted in Bangalore some time ago.
Are they still going on.
I would like to know if any of the group members is conducting python classes.
If yes then other details like timings, and fees etc.
Thanks.
Krishna
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Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:18:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
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Hi.
Any suggestions on what is a good book to start with on Python.
Thanks.
Krishnakanth./
Krishna wrote:
Hi.
I knew that there were some python classes conducted in Bangalore some time ago.
Are they still going on.
I would like to know if any of the group members is conducting python classes.
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From siddharta.lists at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 14:48:43 2007
From: siddharta.lists at gmail.com (Siddharta)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:18:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
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Krishna wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Any suggestions on what is a good book to start with on Python.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishnakanth./
>
If you are familiar with programming in general, then my favourite pick
is Dive Into Python. You can read it online and it is also available as
a book.
http://www.diveintopython.org/
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From bharath.keshav at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 15:19:08 2007
From: bharath.keshav at gmail.com (Bharath Keshav)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:49:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
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Python tutorial by Guido Van Rossum is a good start. Also, Dive into
Python, is a good book which introduces web programming concepts, regular
expressions and few more concepts in Python in a bit more detail. You can
find these two by googling. Apart from that, O'Reilly publication's Python
cookbook is a very good reference as far as I have found.
Thanks and regards,
Bharath
On 10/17/07, Krishna wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Any suggestions on what is a good book to start with on Python.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishnakanth./
>
> *Krishna * wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I knew that there were some python classes conducted in Bangalore some
> time ago.
>
> Are they still going on.
>
> I would like to know if any of the group members is conducting python
> classes.
>
> If yes then other details like timings, and fees etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishna
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From sriramv_iyer at yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 16:05:58 2007
From: sriramv_iyer at yahoo.com (Sriram V Iyer)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:05:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
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I am sorry to disagree - Dive into Python is NOT a
good book to start python (may be for some Uber
programmers). It is an excellent book on python - no
questions! But, I am worried if someone starts python
with that book, he may end up not doing python at all.
As Bharat pointed out, Guido's intro is an excellent
way to start python. I also feel how to think like a
computer scientist a good way to start python too.
Regards
Sriram
--- Siddharta wrote:
> Krishna wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what is a good book to start
> with on Python.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Krishnakanth./
> >
> If you are familiar with programming in general,
> then my favourite pick
> is Dive Into Python. You can read it online and it
> is also available as
> a book.
>
> http://www.diveintopython.org/
>
> --
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From dorai at thodla.com Wed Oct 17 16:45:01 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:45:01 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
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You can start with
Free ebooks:
Think Like a Computer Scientist (if you are a beginner to programming )
Dive Into Mark
If you want to buy a physical book, both these are very good:
Learning Python by Mark Lutz (my favorite)
Python in a Nutshell
Introductory books
http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks
Dorai
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On 10/17/07, Krishna wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> Any suggestions on what is a good book to start with on Python.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishnakanth./
>
> *Krishna * wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I knew that there were some python classes conducted in Bangalore some
> time ago.
>
> Are they still going on.
>
> I would like to know if any of the group members is conducting python
> classes.
>
> If yes then other details like timings, and fees etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishna
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From mahesh_shirgaonkar at yahoo.com Wed Oct 17 18:15:29 2007
From: mahesh_shirgaonkar at yahoo.com (Mahesh Shirgaonkar)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:15:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
Message-ID: <723451.65256.qm@web56912.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
If you are already familiar with some other programming language and need to quickly check up on Python syntax so you can get to your real problem solving, I would strongly suggest "A Byte of Python" by Swaroop CH. This is an extremely well written guide with just enough info to get you started with Python without overwhelming you with un-necessary info.
Once you are done with that, I would suggest going through Python creator Guido von Rossum's "Python Tutorial".
If you like dead-trees material (a.k.a. books) I guess "Beginning Python" is a good place to start.
I agree with Sriram V Iyer that "Dive into Python" is not a good place to start "learning" Python. But, its a good resource for learning about how to tinker around with various things (for instance XML) using Python. But, if that is what you want (i.e. you want to do real problem solving "using" python), your better option might be to pick up "the Python Cookbook" and search for required recipes in that book. In any case, I feel that before you use these cookbooks (or search online for other recipes), your better option would be to get a handle on basic Python syntax from the other three books mentioned earlier.
HTH
Mahesh R. Shirgaonkar
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From: Sriram V Iyer
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:35:58 PM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
I am sorry to disagree - Dive into Python is NOT a
good book to start python (may be for some Uber
programmers). It is an excellent book on python - no
questions! But, I am worried if someone starts python
with that book, he may end up not doing python at all.
As Bharat pointed out, Guido's intro is an excellent
way to start python. I also feel how to think like a
computer scientist a good way to start python too.
Regards
Sriram
--- Siddharta wrote:
> Krishna wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what is a good book to start
> with on Python.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Krishnakanth./
> >
> If you are familiar with programming in general,
> then my favourite pick
> is Dive Into Python. You can read it online and it
> is also available as
> a book.
>
> http://www.diveintopython.org/
>
> --
> Siddharta Govindaraj
> http://www.silverstripesoftware.com/blog/
>
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From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 19:51:44 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:21:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
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Do you mean free ebooks online or actual print book ?
For for former, I would suggest diveintopython.
"A byte of python" is also fine for a very basic introduction.
As regards print books, I think "Learning Python" is a
good book.
--Anand
On 10/17/07, Krishna wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Any suggestions on what is a good book to start with on Python.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishnakanth./
>
> Krishna wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I knew that there were some python classes conducted in Bangalore some time
> ago.
>
> Are they still going on.
>
> I would like to know if any of the group members is conducting python
> classes.
>
> If yes then other details like timings, and fees etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishna
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From ksppkan at yahoo.com Fri Oct 19 07:11:21 2007
From: ksppkan at yahoo.com (Krishna)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:11:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
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Hi.
Thanks a lot for all ur advises...
Its not that I am a complete dud abt python, I had this desire to learn python since last 4 years.. but then there is something that is allowing me to go beyond small programs.. So i thot I will give a fresh start and get to master the language.
I am into perf testing, so it would be usefull if i can write small scripts that can get me the perf data from remote machines..
I have been thru the dive into python, and the guido's python tutorial and also thru the swaroop's book, but then I have just been able to write small scripts. and dont understand where the error comes up when I do a mistake, so i was looking for a book which would help me when I would start from scratch.. I am not from dev background..but then i do have good programming experience in java anc C..
I went thru the Learning Python and Beginning Python, probably then get a better understanding, and then move to Byte of python.
Dive into python has been good book, but then I believe its for those who have some understanding of things in development..
Anyways.. I got to know abt 2 books abt python. Thanks for your suggestions.
I joined thsi grp when I was in hyd. Now that I am in blr. would love to know if you guys meet so that I even I can be a part of this gathering.
Thanks.
krishnakanth
Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
Do you mean free ebooks online or actual print book ?
For for former, I would suggest diveintopython.
"A byte of python" is also fine for a very basic introduction.
As regards print books, I think "Learning Python" is a
good book.
--Anand
On 10/17/07, Krishna wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Any suggestions on what is a good book to start with on Python.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishnakanth./
>
> Krishna wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I knew that there were some python classes conducted in Bangalore some time
> ago.
>
> Are they still going on.
>
> I would like to know if any of the group members is conducting python
> classes.
>
> If yes then other details like timings, and fees etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishna
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From srsy70 at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 10:22:59 2007
From: srsy70 at gmail.com (S.Ramaswamy)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:52:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <951593.99238.qm@web36713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8548c5f30710171051l46446ea8ud3a44590408ea945@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID:
> I am into perf testing, so it would be usefull if i can write small scripts
> that can get me the perf data from remote machines..
> I have been thru the dive into python, and the guido's python tutorial and
> also thru the swaroop's book, but then I have just been able to write small
> scripts. and dont understand where the error comes up when I do a mistake,
> so i was looking for a book which would help me when I would start from
> scratch.. I am not from dev background..but then i do have good programming
> experience in java anc C..
I have this book - http://safari.peachpit.com/0201748843 . It's kind
of lightweight and not detailed like 'Dive into Python'. But it's an
excellent book for getting started.
If you are anywhere close to Koramangala, you can borrow it from me
for extended periods.
Mail me privately (not this list) if you're interested.
Regards
Ramaswamy
From ranganaths at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 17:53:28 2007
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:53:28 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <603b7e560710170745n4a667d75p1986ff6ee7c4575f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <480595.76947.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<87930.89784.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I think the byte of python is an excellent book for starters. Just google
for it.
-R
On 10/17/07, Dorai Thodla wrote:
>
> You can start with
>
> Free ebooks:
>
> Think Like a Computer Scientist (if you are a beginner to programming )
> Dive Into Mark
>
> If you want to buy a physical book, both these are very good:
>
> Learning Python by Mark Lutz (my favorite)
> Python in a Nutshell
>
> Introductory books
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntroductoryBooks
>
> Dorai
> www.thodla.com
>
>
> On 10/17/07, Krishna wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what is a good book to start with on Python.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Krishnakanth./
> >
> > *Krishna < ksppkan at yahoo.com>* wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > I knew that there were some python classes conducted in Bangalore some
> > time ago.
> >
> > Are they still going on.
> >
> > I would like to know if any of the group members is conducting python
> > classes.
> >
> > If yes then other details like timings, and fees etc.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Krishna
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From ranganaths at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 11:26:09 2007
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:56:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding the PUG meet
Message-ID: <77bb36840710190226t38ea878ap878cfa1a5f0a2e1c@mail.gmail.com>
Hi all,
I am new to this UG. It would be great to have a UG meet to share the
expertise on Python. I feel offline presence is as important as the online
presence. So if any of you guys are interested may be we can have an
informal meet if not a formal one. lf this is gonna work out may be we can
have a regular meet. So guys just vote your presence for the meet.
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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 09:25:08 2007
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:55:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <951593.99238.qm@web36713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8548c5f30710171051l46446ea8ud3a44590408ea945@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/19/07, Krishna wrote:
> I am not from dev background..
I read that as -- "I don't have much preconceptions of what
programming is like" which is the sufficient and necessary condition
for learning to program. (hey, I wish I had not learned whatever it is
that I know today.. I am sorry to say that I don't have the Beginner's
Mind)
http://htdp.org/
Learn the fundamentals. Then deal with the "stuff" like Python and
friends. It's doable.
--
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From vsapre80 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 22 10:18:52 2007
From: vsapre80 at yahoo.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:18:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <951593.99238.qm@web36713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34325.86187.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Hi Krishna,
Interestingly, your story is very similar to mine. I got interested in Python about 4 years back, and started collecting information present over the web.
However, being in semiconductor related software...there are not many avenues for using Python as such. Today I use Python for everything that I dont use C/C++ for..mostly for text processing though. There are huge opportunities for using Python in semiconductor industry..however Perl being a much older and hence much more known cousin..overshadows everybody else.
For the most part, I think the future is in languages that work with some kind of a VM.
Hope to learn and work more with this wonderful language.
Best regards,
Vishal
Krishna wrote: Hi.
Thanks a lot for all ur advises...
Its not that I am a complete dud abt python, I had this desire to learn python since last 4 years.. but then there is something that is allowing me to go beyond small programs.. So i thot I will give a fresh start and get to master the language.
I am into perf testing, so it would be usefull if i can write small scripts that can get me the perf data from remote machines..
I have been thru the dive into python, and the guido's python tutorial and also thru the swaroop's book, but then I have just been able to write small scripts. and dont understand where the error comes up when I do a mistake, so i was looking for a book which would help me when I would start from scratch.. I am not from dev background..but then i do have good programming experience in java anc C..
I went thru the Learning Python and Beginning Python, probably then get a better understanding, and then move to Byte of python.
Dive into python has been good book, but then I believe its for those who have some understanding of things in development..
Anyways.. I got to know abt 2 books abt python. Thanks for your suggestions.
I joined thsi grp when I was in hyd. Now that I am in blr. would love to know if you guys meet so that I even I can be a part of this gathering.
Thanks.
krishnakanth
Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
Do you mean free ebooks online or actual print book ?
For for former, I would suggest diveintopython.
"A byte of python" is also fine for a very basic introduction.
As regards print books, I think "Learning Python" is a
good book.
--Anand
On 10/17/07, Krishna wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Any suggestions on what is a good book to start with on Python.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishnakanth./
>
> Krishna wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I knew that there were some python classes conducted in Bangalore some time
> ago.
>
> Are they still going on.
>
> I would like to know if any of the group members is conducting python
> classes.
>
> If yes then other details like timings, and fees etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishna
> ________________________________
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From reddytou at yahoo.com Mon Oct 22 10:33:20 2007
From: reddytou at yahoo.com (kumar reddy)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:33:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training in Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <34325.86187.qm@web30804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <724427.63496.qm@web53403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Hey Guys,
I am also very much new to python.I am also intrested in learning this powerful scripting language.I am currently working with netapp and I am into hardcore kernel debugging ( more on file system side).
-Seshu
Vishal wrote:
Hi Krishna,
Interestingly, your story is very similar to mine. I got interested in Python about 4 years back, and started collecting information present over the web.
However, being in semiconductor related software...there are not many avenues for using Python as such. Today I use Python for everything that I dont use C/C++ for..mostly for text processing though. There are huge opportunities for using Python in semiconductor industry..however Perl being a much older and hence much more known cousin..overshadows everybody else.
For the most part, I think the future is in languages that work with some kind of a VM.
Hope to learn and work more with this wonderful language.
Best regards,
Vishal
Krishna wrote: Hi.
Thanks a lot for all ur advises...
Its not that I am a complete dud abt python, I had this desire to learn python since last 4 years.. but then there is something that is allowing me to go beyond small programs.. So i thot I will give a fresh start and get to master the language.
I am into perf testing, so it would be usefull if i can write small scripts that can get me the perf data from remote machines..
I have been thru the dive into python, and the guido's python tutorial and also thru the swaroop's book, but then I have just been able to write small scripts. and dont understand where the error comes up when I do a mistake, so i was looking for a book which would help me when I would start from scratch.. I am not from dev background..but then i do have good programming experience in java anc C..
I went thru the Learning Python and Beginning Python, probably then get a better understanding, and then move to Byte of python.
Dive into python has been good book, but then I believe its for those who have some understanding of things in development..
Anyways.. I got to know abt 2 books abt python. Thanks for your suggestions.
I joined thsi grp when I was in hyd. Now that I am in blr. would love to know if you guys meet so that I even I can be a part of this gathering.
Thanks.
krishnakanth
Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
Do you mean free ebooks online or actual print book ?
For for former, I would suggest diveintopython.
"A byte of python" is also fine for a very basic introduction.
As regards print books, I think "Learning Python" is a
good book.
--Anand
On 10/17/07, Krishna wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Any suggestions on what is a good book to start with on Python.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishnakanth./
>
> Krishna wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I knew that there were some python classes conducted in Bangalore some time
> ago.
>
> Are they still going on.
>
> I would like to know if any of the group members is conducting python
> classes.
>
> If yes then other details like timings, and fees etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Krishna
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From vsapre80 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 22 12:00:38 2007
From: vsapre80 at yahoo.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Hello
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Hi,
I would like to change my email address in this as well as the new group to my Gmail address?
How do I do that. I know how to do that in the YahooGroups. I am more interested in changing it in the new group.
help highly appreciated.
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal
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* Timmy Jose [2007-10-19 07:22:13]:
> Hi Jagadeesh,
>
> Welcome to Bangpypers! :) Hope you have a lot of fun contributing stuff to
> this forum!
>
> z0ltan.
>
>
>
> On 10/18/07, mn_jagadeesh wrote:
> >
> > Greetings.
> >
> > This is Jagadeesh from Bangalore. Just now started using python.
> > Interested to contribute to python. Am more interested in cell phone
> > applications.
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From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 12:15:31 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:45:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hello
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Let me know the address you want to be changed to. I can do it for you.
Thanks
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On 10/22/07, Vishal wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to change my email address in this as well as the new group to my Gmail address?
>
> How do I do that. I know how to do that in the YahooGroups. I am more interested in changing it in the new group.
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> help highly appreciated.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
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>
> * Timmy Jose [2007-10-19 07:22:13]:
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/18/07, mn_jagadeesh wrote:
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> > >
> > > This is Jagadeesh from Bangalore. Just now started using python.
> > > Interested to contribute to python. Am more interested in cell phone
> > > applications.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
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> >
> >
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From mnjagadeesh at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 14:12:37 2007
From: mnjagadeesh at gmail.com (cyberdog)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:42:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need info
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Hi,
Please let me know if you are using python to develop cell phone
utilities. I have Sony Erricson w700. I want to develop some
application access
SMS inbox.
Thanks
From ashok at parliaments.info Tue Oct 23 09:31:48 2007
From: ashok at parliaments.info (Ashok Hariharan)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:31:48 +0300
Subject: [BangPypers] Seeking plone / zope developer for Open Source project
Message-ID:
Hello there:
We are a United Nations project - "Strengthening Parliaments in Africa"
The aim of this project is to automate parliaments in Africa by building
a generic Open Source Parliamentary Information System to be used within
the parliaments of the 8 participating countries
(http://www.parliaments.info).
The Parliamentary Information System called "Bungeni"
(http://www.bungeni.org) is meant to encompass typical parliamentary
processes including: Bills, Motions, Questions, Hansard drafting,
Web Portal services etc.
This is primarily being developed on the Plone / Zope platform incorporating
significant
customization and integration with an RDBMS backend.
We are looking to hire an experienced Plone / Zope developer to work with
our
development team and partners.
Please contact me off-list for more details if you are interested,
My apologies for my first email on this list being a carpet-bomb email for
recruitment :-)
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From: dl.goutham at gmail.com (Goutham D L)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:17:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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Hi,
Are there any Python certification programmes in bangalore?
Goutham
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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Tue Oct 23 20:55:13 2007
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:25:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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On 10/23/07, Goutham D L wrote:
> Hi,
> Are there any Python certification programmes in bangalore?
>
So I tried googling for this certification thing and came up with
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2005-June/004077.html
.. also this,
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Python-Interview-Questions-Answers-Explanations/dp/1933804548
If you intention behind doing this "certification" is to build up your
profile and increase the job prospects, just write software in Python
-- and add that to your resume.
Here's your map,
1. Learn Python - http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
2. Master Python - http://diveintopython.org/
3. Read code
4. Write code - sourceforge.net et. al
5. Goto 3
Examinations are not required, but hacker spirit is.
--
http://nearfar.org/
From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 08:12:02 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:42:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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I am not a fan of certifications, but I think he raises a valid point.
In today's IT industry, "certifications" are a fact and are here to stay.
Of course, the most important thing is to build up skills by yourself.
Especially in learning a language, there is nothing like teaching
yourself and writing code. I know this myself, since I have taught
myself four programming languages (C/C++, Java & Python)
without the recourse of any "formal training", OTOH just by
learning from the Internet and participating in forums and writing
my own code and developing my own projects.
Still, having a "certification program" seems to increase the
popularity and effectiveness of adoption of a language in the IT
industry. Python is gaining popularity and increasing adoption
everyday and having a real certification program for it shall only
increase the profile of the language. Especially in a software industry
market like India (and Bangalore specifically) it looks like certifications
are in demand.
I have often found it difficult to assess the programming skills and
knowledge of candidates appearing as "Python programmers". In
my previous company which was a Python shop, a typical candidate
interview used to play out like this...
Me: So, how will you rate yourself in Python say in a scale 1-5 ?
Candidate: Ummmm.... like 3.
Me: Ok, very good. Can you write out a list comprehension to compute
the sum of a series ?
Candidate: Err... what is a list comprehension ?
Me: Ah, I thought you knew it. What did you tell me your Python
experience was ?
Candidate: I have worked in Plone and Zope and have written Python scripts.
Me: Ok...
I am not trying to denigrate Plone/Zope developers here (I know they
are great platforms and there are amazing Python programmers who
do Zope/Plone primarily for a living). But I found it difficult to separate the
guy who has been doing only Plone/Zope customization and the guy
who has worked in Python as a language away from "platforms".
Perhaps a certification could be of use here. Not from the geek perspective,
but from companies looking to hire Python programmers. It does make
a lot of practical sense.
To answer the OP's question, there are no certification programs I know
for Python in Bangalore. However, I think there is a requirement and space
for this and we as a group should try and look into this. Any ideas ?
Regards
--Anand
On 10/24/07, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
> On 10/23/07, Goutham D L wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Are there any Python certification programmes in bangalore?
> >
>
> So I tried googling for this certification thing and came up with
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2005-June/004077.html
>
> .. also this,
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Python-Interview-Questions-Answers-Explanations/dp/1933804548
>
> If you intention behind doing this "certification" is to build up your
> profile and increase the job prospects, just write software in Python
> -- and add that to your resume.
>
> Here's your map,
>
> 1. Learn Python - http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
> 2. Master Python - http://diveintopython.org/
> 3. Read code
> 4. Write code - sourceforge.net et. al
> 5. Goto 3
>
> Examinations are not required, but hacker spirit is.
>
> --
> http://nearfar.org/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
--
-Anand
From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 08:21:05 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:51:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Seeking plone / zope developer for Open Source
project
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <8548c5f30710232321s124265dg2f7d573b87f06a00@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Ashok,
Welcome to the group. Hope you enjoy your stay here.
I think there are quite a few freelance consultants in Bangalore who
work in Zope/Plone. I will be surprised if you dont receive any replies.
There are also companies that specialize in this field. I think Mahiti
will be the right place for you to find the required skills.
--Anand
On 10/23/07, Ashok Hariharan wrote:
> Hello there:
>
> We are a United Nations project - "Strengthening Parliaments in Africa"
> The aim of this project is to automate parliaments in Africa by building
> a generic Open Source Parliamentary Information System to be used within
> the parliaments of the 8 participating countries
> (http://www.parliaments.info).
>
> The Parliamentary Information System called "Bungeni"
> (http://www.bungeni.org) is meant to encompass typical parliamentary
> processes including: Bills, Motions, Questions, Hansard drafting,
> Web Portal services etc.
>
> This is primarily being developed on the Plone / Zope platform incorporating
> significant
> customization and integration with an RDBMS backend.
>
> We are looking to hire an experienced Plone / Zope developer to work with
> our
> development team and partners.
>
> Please contact me off-list for more details if you are interested,
>
> My apologies for my first email on this list being a carpet-bomb email for
> recruitment :-)
>
> thanks
>
> Ashok Hariharan
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
--
-Anand
From ranganaths at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 08:28:22 2007
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:58:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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Yes, i agree with you. Certification is just a stamp to say your skills are
up to some milestone. I that makes you get lots oppurtunities . But again
certifications has to be done in that manner where in it can sustain that
wait to believe that if a guy has done this certification, He has to be a
guy whos knowledge is 5/6 else certification is of no use. frankly speaking
certification is some thing which even i am not a big fan ..:)
-R
On 10/24/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>
> I am not a fan of certifications, but I think he raises a valid point.
> In today's IT industry, "certifications" are a fact and are here to stay.
> Of course, the most important thing is to build up skills by yourself.
> Especially in learning a language, there is nothing like teaching
> yourself and writing code. I know this myself, since I have taught
> myself four programming languages (C/C++, Java & Python)
> without the recourse of any "formal training", OTOH just by
> learning from the Internet and participating in forums and writing
> my own code and developing my own projects.
>
> Still, having a "certification program" seems to increase the
> popularity and effectiveness of adoption of a language in the IT
> industry. Python is gaining popularity and increasing adoption
> everyday and having a real certification program for it shall only
> increase the profile of the language. Especially in a software industry
> market like India (and Bangalore specifically) it looks like
> certifications
> are in demand.
>
> I have often found it difficult to assess the programming skills and
> knowledge of candidates appearing as "Python programmers". In
> my previous company which was a Python shop, a typical candidate
> interview used to play out like this...
>
> Me: So, how will you rate yourself in Python say in a scale 1-5 ?
> Candidate: Ummmm.... like 3.
> Me: Ok, very good. Can you write out a list comprehension to compute
> the sum of a series ?
> Candidate: Err... what is a list comprehension ?
> Me: Ah, I thought you knew it. What did you tell me your Python
> experience was ?
> Candidate: I have worked in Plone and Zope and have written Python
> scripts.
> Me: Ok...
>
> I am not trying to denigrate Plone/Zope developers here (I know they
> are great platforms and there are amazing Python programmers who
> do Zope/Plone primarily for a living). But I found it difficult to
> separate the
> guy who has been doing only Plone/Zope customization and the guy
> who has worked in Python as a language away from "platforms".
>
> Perhaps a certification could be of use here. Not from the geek
> perspective,
> but from companies looking to hire Python programmers. It does make
> a lot of practical sense.
>
> To answer the OP's question, there are no certification programs I know
> for Python in Bangalore. However, I think there is a requirement and space
> for this and we as a group should try and look into this. Any ideas ?
>
> Regards
>
> --Anand
>
> On 10/24/07, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
> > On 10/23/07, Goutham D L wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Are there any Python certification programmes in bangalore?
> > >
> >
> > So I tried googling for this certification thing and came up with
> >
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2005-June/004077.html
> >
> > .. also this,
> >
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Python-Interview-Questions-Answers-Explanations/dp/1933804548
> >
> > If you intention behind doing this "certification" is to build up your
> > profile and increase the job prospects, just write software in Python
> > -- and add that to your resume.
> >
> > Here's your map,
> >
> > 1. Learn Python - http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
> > 2. Master Python - http://diveintopython.org/
> > 3. Read code
> > 4. Write code - sourceforge.net et. al
> > 5. Goto 3
> >
> > Examinations are not required, but hacker spirit is.
> >
> > --
> > http://nearfar.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
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From s.varun at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 08:30:54 2007
From: s.varun at gmail.com (Varun Soundararajan)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:30:54 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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ok my 2 paisas:
As Sridhar pointed out, if you want to learn python and boost your skills in
Python, the best way to prove is possibly with your pet project, a
certification may not be required.
If u want to prove your hirer who has nothing to do with Python (not always
your recruiter/manager knows things), it would be wise to get a
certification, because it sells you to non-IT people who do word matching in
resume. Fortunately, in most cases of recruitment, this is not the case, but
if u were unfortunate, a certification sells you..
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--Varun S
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From parth.technofreak at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 08:54:25 2007
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parth)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:24:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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On 10/23/07, Goutham D L wrote:
> Hi,
> Are there any Python certification programmes in bangalore?
>
My Two Cents,
A lot of us in this list grew up learning python from either books or
online tutorials in the beginning, then started writing small codes
either on fun|learning basis or we used it to do small programming
tasks. Then we would have moved to the stage where we were able to
look into existing code, understand it, modify it according to our
needs or take some modules from it and use it along with our code.
This is fine if you have been used to similar model of learning which
happens in FOSS world.
But for others, especially college students, they are used to
undergoing a formal "coaching class" kind-of learning process, at the
end of which there is an exam and a certificate is given. This works
in many cases like there are courses on C/C++, Java etc. But there is
no such course prevalent for Python because there institutions
themselves are not aware of such a Programming Language or there
aren't many people approaching them, enquiring about such courses.
Also, these people look at things from "Employment Column" in
magazines and build their ideas about industry requirement.
I don't think a newbie coming and enquiring about a course or
certification in Python is something wrong or weird but it is what
they are used to. It is our responsibility to tell them what the
effective method to learn Python is and how skills and experience can
indeed be made to score more than certifications during an interview.
They don't face many interviewers like Anand, who really know the
thing they are questioning about. In interviews, if we need to know
how to present ourselves, how to make the interviewer understand that
we know things, we can make a score over just mere certifications.
As Anand said, if we can group in we can conduct some course on Python
which may not be a formal course but gives a newbie an idea of what to
learn, how to learn and how to make use of whatever he learns. :)
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From dl.goutham at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 11:15:23 2007
From: dl.goutham at gmail.com (Goutham D L)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:45:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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Thanks for the replies.
By the way, i was not looking for coaching classes. I have done quite a bit
of programming in python.
A certification would have given an official stamp that would be useful in
interviews.As Anand points out, there are too many things that come under
the term "python programmer".
Goutham
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From srsy70 at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 11:35:46 2007
From: srsy70 at gmail.com (S.Ramaswamy)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:05:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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>
> Me: So, how will you rate yourself in Python say in a scale 1-5 ?
> Candidate: Ummmm.... like 3.
> Me: Ok, very good. Can you write out a list comprehension to compute
> the sum of a series ?
> Candidate: Err... what is a list comprehension ?
How does certification solve the above problem ?
There will always be features that are not covered by any cert course.
I am making a simplistic assumption here that, features are all that
matter, which is not true at all. Idiomatic python coding style and
features are best learnt by studying code of the better open source
projects. Does one use Python like another VB or some other language
that one is already familiar with ? If yes, then you rarely progress
beyond learning the corresponding features in python. And that's what
happens mostly. It gets used as another VB or Java. The last company I
worked in, I once used a closure somewhere and a bright young fellow
removed it saying, "It's a syntax error" :-(
Regards
Ramaswamy
From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 13:16:47 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:46:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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Hi
On 10/24/07, S.Ramaswamy wrote:
> >
> > Me: So, how will you rate yourself in Python say in a scale 1-5 ?
> > Candidate: Ummmm.... like 3.
> > Me: Ok, very good. Can you write out a list comprehension to compute
> > the sum of a series ?
> > Candidate: Err... what is a list comprehension ?
>
> How does certification solve the above problem ?
>
> There will always be features that are not covered by any cert course.
> I am making a simplistic assumption here that, features are all that
> matter, which is not true at all. Idiomatic python coding style and
> features are best learnt by studying code of the better open source
> projects. Does one use Python like another VB or some other language
> that one is already familiar with ? If yes, then you rarely progress
> beyond learning the corresponding features in python. And that's what
> happens mostly. It gets used as another VB or Java. The last company I
> worked in, I once used a closure somewhere and a bright young fellow
> removed it saying, "It's a syntax error" :-(
You have taken it in the wrong context. I did not mean that if the guy
had a certification in Python I would have given him the job straight away.
Currently there seems to be no benchmark or standard against which to
judge a Python programmer. Python is vast and has led to creation of
many platforms, and a "Python programmer" can mean anything. Since
the language is also evolving and adding new features every release,
it is important to keep up to date with it. For example, currently if I
interview for a competent Python programmer, I would expect him to
be familiar with the feature-set of Python 2.5 at least.
I just gave that example to illustrate the dilemmas faced by companies
which do recruitment for Python developers. Certifications are more of an
entry stamp than anything else. If a person has completed a certification
it gives some kind of authenticity to his claims regarding the particular
skill. Of course you need to interview him based on your requirements
and make a call accordingly.
I think for a community developed language like Python, community
developed "certifications" make sense. I am not sure if any programming
language community has ever developed one or is thinking about one.
But it is an interesting approach nevertheless.
>
> Regards
> Ramaswamy
> _______________________________________________
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From dorai at thodla.com Wed Oct 24 16:09:55 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:09:55 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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Anand,
You make some good points. I have had similar experience to the one you
describe with certified Java and .NET progammers too.
It may be interesting to find out what python.org thinks about
certification.
Dorai
On 10/23/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>
> I am not a fan of certifications, but I think he raises a valid point.
> In today's IT industry, "certifications" are a fact and are here to stay.
> Of course, the most important thing is to build up skills by yourself.
> Especially in learning a language, there is nothing like teaching
> yourself and writing code. I know this myself, since I have taught
> myself four programming languages (C/C++, Java & Python)
> without the recourse of any "formal training", OTOH just by
> learning from the Internet and participating in forums and writing
> my own code and developing my own projects.
>
> Still, having a "certification program" seems to increase the
> popularity and effectiveness of adoption of a language in the IT
> industry. Python is gaining popularity and increasing adoption
> everyday and having a real certification program for it shall only
> increase the profile of the language. Especially in a software industry
> market like India (and Bangalore specifically) it looks like
> certifications
> are in demand.
>
> I have often found it difficult to assess the programming skills and
> knowledge of candidates appearing as "Python programmers". In
> my previous company which was a Python shop, a typical candidate
> interview used to play out like this...
>
> Me: So, how will you rate yourself in Python say in a scale 1-5 ?
> Candidate: Ummmm.... like 3.
> Me: Ok, very good. Can you write out a list comprehension to compute
> the sum of a series ?
> Candidate: Err... what is a list comprehension ?
> Me: Ah, I thought you knew it. What did you tell me your Python
> experience was ?
> Candidate: I have worked in Plone and Zope and have written Python
> scripts.
> Me: Ok...
>
> I am not trying to denigrate Plone/Zope developers here (I know they
> are great platforms and there are amazing Python programmers who
> do Zope/Plone primarily for a living). But I found it difficult to
> separate the
> guy who has been doing only Plone/Zope customization and the guy
> who has worked in Python as a language away from "platforms".
>
> Perhaps a certification could be of use here. Not from the geek
> perspective,
> but from companies looking to hire Python programmers. It does make
> a lot of practical sense.
>
> To answer the OP's question, there are no certification programs I know
> for Python in Bangalore. However, I think there is a requirement and space
> for this and we as a group should try and look into this. Any ideas ?
>
> Regards
>
> --Anand
>
> On 10/24/07, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
> > On 10/23/07, Goutham D L wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Are there any Python certification programmes in bangalore?
> > >
> >
> > So I tried googling for this certification thing and came up with
> >
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2005-June/004077.html
> >
> > .. also this,
> >
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Python-Interview-Questions-Answers-Explanations/dp/1933804548
> >
> > If you intention behind doing this "certification" is to build up your
> > profile and increase the job prospects, just write software in Python
> > -- and add that to your resume.
> >
> > Here's your map,
> >
> > 1. Learn Python - http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
> > 2. Master Python - http://diveintopython.org/
> > 3. Read code
> > 4. Write code - sourceforge.net et. al
> > 5. Goto 3
> >
> > Examinations are not required, but hacker spirit is.
> >
> > --
> > http://nearfar.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
> --
> -Anand
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From jeff at taupro.com Wed Oct 24 17:56:36 2007
From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:56:36 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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Dorai Thodla wrote:
> Anand,
> You make some good points. I have had similar experience to the one you
> describe with certified Java and .NET progammers too.
>
> It may be interesting to find out what python.org
> thinks about certification.
Hi Dorai. As far as I know, in my role as former Python Advocacy Coordinator,
there are no Python certifications anywhere. Sometimes there is talk that we
ought to have them, but a large number of people are against the idea. Not
that that would matter, in that any group of people could start it moving, and
those who like the idea would use it and those who don't can ignore it.
I personally have an interest, not in formal certification which relies upon
the reputation of some evaluation company, but in what I call my "So you think
you know Python..." project. The idea would be to have a website where people
can go to test themselves, with links to learning material that fill in the
gaps identified in their knowledge. The questions would not be fixed but
dynamically generated, so that a person cannot just memorize the answers. And
if desired an employer could sit an interviewee down in front of a PC and have
him complete the test in front of him.
No such system is perfect but it would give a starting point for measuring the
capabilities of a Python programmer. I don't look at it as some enforcement
measure for catching pretenders, like most certification does, but rather for
helping those medium-level programmers who have learned enough Python to get
along but don't know what they don't know and could use pointers to advanced
lessons. The idea is to help create better Python programmers, in an
non-corporate, opensource manner.
I hope some year to show something like this off at PyCon but currently lack
the time to implement it myself.
-Jeff
From dorai at thodla.com Wed Oct 24 18:56:36 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:56:36 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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Jeff,
I think it is a great idea. We can probably do this as a community effort. I
will be interested in following it up. Hopefully this and other python
groups may join once we build it up a bit.
I have been toying with the idea of building a Python Academy as a part of
our LearningPoint effort with different levels.
The idea is to move people from low level to high level by actually writing
code and building projects and not just answering questions. Every project
that is built will become open source and may benefit the community. I
jotted down some ideas here.
http://dorai.wordpress.com/learningpoint/
The effort is meant to bootstrap. The people at the high level can mentor
students at the low level.
Dorai
www.thodla.com
On 10/24/07, Jeff Rush wrote:
>
> Dorai Thodla wrote:
> > Anand,
> > You make some good points. I have had similar experience to the one you
> > describe with certified Java and .NET progammers too.
> >
> > It may be interesting to find out what python.org
> > thinks about certification.
>
> Hi Dorai. As far as I know, in my role as former Python Advocacy
> Coordinator,
> there are no Python certifications anywhere. Sometimes there is talk that
> we
> ought to have them, but a large number of people are against the idea.
> Not
> that that would matter, in that any group of people could start it moving,
> and
> those who like the idea would use it and those who don't can ignore it.
>
> I personally have an interest, not in formal certification which relies
> upon
> the reputation of some evaluation company, but in what I call my "So you
> think
> you know Python..." project. The idea would be to have a website where
> people
> can go to test themselves, with links to learning material that fill in
> the
> gaps identified in their knowledge. The questions would not be fixed but
> dynamically generated, so that a person cannot just memorize the
> answers. And
> if desired an employer could sit an interviewee down in front of a PC and
> have
> him complete the test in front of him.
>
> No such system is perfect but it would give a starting point for measuring
> the
> capabilities of a Python programmer. I don't look at it as some
> enforcement
> measure for catching pretenders, like most certification does, but rather
> for
> helping those medium-level programmers who have learned enough Python to
> get
> along but don't know what they don't know and could use pointers to
> advanced
> lessons. The idea is to help create better Python programmers, in an
> non-corporate, opensource manner.
>
> I hope some year to show something like this off at PyCon but currently
> lack
> the time to implement it myself.
>
> -Jeff
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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From pintooo15 at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 21:05:37 2007
From: pintooo15 at gmail.com (Diabolic Preacher)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 00:35:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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On 24/10/2007, Dorai Thodla wrote:
Some of my views on certification. necessary or not. I am a student.
I feel certification checking is sort of a fishing net with fixed
sized holes to filter in a segment of python programmers (and
claimers) for IT company managers. Now the way I see it as is that
certification helps not just managers who do word matching on resume
but it helps when there is a sea of pythonistas and the manager has
the Python programmer catching fishing net: the certification
criteria...'do you fit the bill?'
Is there really a sea of Python programmers who would get through a
certification program or a sea of wealth of knowledge about the
language. Even if the language changes features a lot, the very basic
ideas, regardless of changes in implementation are valid. I felt so
because I could try out some examples from lecture slides of a
university prof. published in year 2000 on my 2.4/2.5 installation.
Well certification exam can always be drafted to be demanding of the
candidate, expecting them to be updated as much as possible.
Some of the members have suggested about reaching out to first timers
and telling how Python should actually be learnt, but here the
certification is probably also less of "how to be sure I know Python?"
and more of "how do i market my Python knowledge and skills?"
The latter question worries the candidate more, especially if he reads
posts with examples of how Plone platform developer gets plucked out
for not comprehending list comprehensions and other general Python
terminology.
If there does arise the initiative to do a certification course, I
hope there are enough python programmers to filter a lot of certified
programmers from and that the companies which demand certification or
would like to see 'certified' pythonistas, put in their inputs as
well.
Point to ponder: learning python like another VB or Java. sure has its
limitations.
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From lorddaemon at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 22:19:55 2007
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:49:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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Dorai,
I've seen the curriculum of an MCAD and (to some extent) MCSD. I've also
interviewed and reviewed the code of people who've cleared their MCAD's.
Most of them simply fail to measure up because MCADs focus on the
intricacies of implementing something in .Net using the libraries -
something which can usually be figured out simply by Googling or using
MSDN instead of answering a test. What's worse, all the MCAD code
samples implicitly teach some of the worst possible development
practices. They insist on developing in C# like it's VB6 (view driven
development) and misuse what MS claims are web services like nobody's
business (
http://blog.sidu.in/2007/06/best-of-worst-standard-patterns-of.html ). I
wouldn't let these guys anywhere near my code. Neither would I give
someone I was interviewing any extra points simply for having cleared
the MCAD.
AFAIK most language certifications simply ensure that people match up to
the lowest common denominator in that field, something I can trivially
verify by asking a few standard questions. Maybe they're useful for a HR
drone, but are otherwise I'm yet to see any significant value in them.
The only exception is when a certification allows a person to jump on
some industry bandwagon with minimum effort (2 day Scrum master
certification anyone?) - these are truly truly worthless.
Best,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in
Dorai Thodla wrote:
> Anand,
> You make some good points. I have had similar experience to the one
> you describe with certified Java and .NET progammers too.
>
> It may be interesting to find out what python.org
> thinks about certification.
>
> Dorai
>
> On 10/23/07, *Anand Balachandran Pillai* > wrote:
>
> I am not a fan of certifications, but I think he raises a valid point.
> In today's IT industry, "certifications" are a fact and are here
> to stay.
> Of course, the most important thing is to build up skills by yourself.
> Especially in learning a language, there is nothing like teaching
> yourself and writing code. I know this myself, since I have taught
> myself four programming languages (C/C++, Java & Python)
> without the recourse of any "formal training", OTOH just by
> learning from the Internet and participating in forums and writing
> my own code and developing my own projects.
>
> Still, having a "certification program" seems to increase the
> popularity and effectiveness of adoption of a language in the IT
> industry. Python is gaining popularity and increasing adoption
> everyday and having a real certification program for it shall only
> increase the profile of the language. Especially in a software
> industry
> market like India (and Bangalore specifically) it looks like
> certifications
> are in demand.
>
> I have often found it difficult to assess the programming skills and
> knowledge of candidates appearing as "Python programmers". In
> my previous company which was a Python shop, a typical candidate
> interview used to play out like this...
>
> Me: So, how will you rate yourself in Python say in a scale 1-5 ?
> Candidate: Ummmm.... like 3.
> Me: Ok, very good. Can you write out a list comprehension to compute
> the sum of a series ?
> Candidate: Err... what is a list comprehension ?
> Me: Ah, I thought you knew it. What did you tell me your Python
> experience was ?
> Candidate: I have worked in Plone and Zope and have written Python
> scripts.
> Me: Ok...
>
> I am not trying to denigrate Plone/Zope developers here (I know they
> are great platforms and there are amazing Python programmers who
> do Zope/Plone primarily for a living). But I found it difficult to
> separate the
> guy who has been doing only Plone/Zope customization and the guy
> who has worked in Python as a language away from "platforms".
>
> Perhaps a certification could be of use here. Not from the geek
> perspective,
> but from companies looking to hire Python programmers. It does make
> a lot of practical sense.
>
> To answer the OP's question, there are no certification programs I
> know
> for Python in Bangalore. However, I think there is a requirement
> and space
> for this and we as a group should try and look into this. Any ideas ?
>
> Regards
>
> --Anand
>
> On 10/24/07, Sridhar Ratnakumar > wrote:
> > On 10/23/07, Goutham D L > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Are there any Python certification programmes in bangalore?
> > >
> >
> > So I tried googling for this certification thing and came up with
> >
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2005-June/004077.html
>
> >
> > .. also this,
> >
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Python-Interview-Questions-Answers-Explanations/dp/1933804548
>
> >
> > If you intention behind doing this "certification" is to build
> up your
> > profile and increase the job prospects, just write software in
> Python
> > -- and add that to your resume.
> >
> > Here's your map,
> >
> > 1. Learn Python - http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
> > 2. Master Python - http://diveintopython.org/
> > 3. Read code
> > 4. Write code - sourceforge.net et. al
> > 5. Goto 3
> >
> > Examinations are not required, but hacker spirit is.
> >
> > --
> > http://nearfar.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Tracking Web Trends
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>
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From vsapre80 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 12:51:16 2007
From: vsapre80 at yahoo.com (Vishal)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:51:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
In-Reply-To: <471F6B34.6080905@taupro.com>
Message-ID: <949544.92130.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Wow..thats a real good idea.
I am interested in working such a python resource...'cause I feel I am in that boat of people..who dont know what they dont know. I guess creating such a resource would help one learn Python automatically.
Website created in Python, for learning Python...
Any pointers...where to start from?
Vishal
Jeff Rush wrote: Dorai Thodla wrote:
> Anand,
> You make some good points. I have had similar experience to the one you
> describe with certified Java and .NET progammers too.
>
> It may be interesting to find out what python.org
> thinks about certification.
Hi Dorai. As far as I know, in my role as former Python Advocacy Coordinator,
there are no Python certifications anywhere. Sometimes there is talk that we
ought to have them, but a large number of people are against the idea. Not
that that would matter, in that any group of people could start it moving, and
those who like the idea would use it and those who don't can ignore it.
I personally have an interest, not in formal certification which relies upon
the reputation of some evaluation company, but in what I call my "So you think
you know Python..." project. The idea would be to have a website where people
can go to test themselves, with links to learning material that fill in the
gaps identified in their knowledge. The questions would not be fixed but
dynamically generated, so that a person cannot just memorize the answers. And
if desired an employer could sit an interviewee down in front of a PC and have
him complete the test in front of him.
No such system is perfect but it would give a starting point for measuring the
capabilities of a Python programmer. I don't look at it as some enforcement
measure for catching pretenders, like most certification does, but rather for
helping those medium-level programmers who have learned enough Python to get
along but don't know what they don't know and could use pointers to advanced
lessons. The idea is to help create better Python programmers, in an
non-corporate, opensource manner.
I hope some year to show something like this off at PyCon but currently lack
the time to implement it myself.
-Jeff
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From sree at mahiti.org Thu Oct 25 13:04:12 2007
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:34:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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On 10/25/07, Vishal wrote:
>
> Wow..thats a real good idea.
>
> I am interested in working such a python resource...'cause I feel I am in
> that boat of people..who dont know what they dont know. I guess creating
> such a resource would help one learn Python automatically.
>
> Website created in Python, for learning Python...
>
> Any pointers...where to start from?
I think as a community we should buile a LMS module for moodle to enable
new-bees to learn python and evaluate them self.
What do you all say?
- sree
Vishal
>
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From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 13:05:56 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:35:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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Hi,
On 10/24/07, Jeff Rush wrote:
> Dorai Thodla wrote:
> > Anand,
> > You make some good points. I have had similar experience to the one you
> > describe with certified Java and .NET progammers too.
> >
> > It may be interesting to find out what python.org
> > thinks about certification.
>
> Hi Dorai. As far as I know, in my role as former Python Advocacy Coordinator,
> there are no Python certifications anywhere. Sometimes there is talk that we
> ought to have them, but a large number of people are against the idea. Not
> that that would matter, in that any group of people could start it moving, and
> those who like the idea would use it and those who don't can ignore it.
>
> I personally have an interest, not in formal certification which relies upon
> the reputation of some evaluation company, but in what I call my "So you think
> you know Python..." project. The idea would be to have a website where people
> can go to test themselves, with links to learning material that fill in the
> gaps identified in their knowledge. The questions would not be fixed but
> dynamically generated, so that a person cannot just memorize the answers. And
> if desired an employer could sit an interviewee down in front of a PC and have
> him complete the test in front of him.
>
> No such system is perfect but it would give a starting point for measuring the
> capabilities of a Python programmer. I don't look at it as some enforcement
> measure for catching pretenders, like most certification does, but rather for
> helping those medium-level programmers who have learned enough Python to get
> along but don't know what they don't know and could use pointers to advanced
> lessons. The idea is to help create better Python programmers, in an
> non-corporate, opensource manner.
Thanks for sending your comments Jeff. When I meant "community
certification" for a community developed language, this was what I meant.
Not any corporate blessed "official" certification program, but a bunch of
tests developed by the cream of the Python community in order to help
the novices and newbies to the language, rate themselves.
Such a test should ideally have some of the following features.
1. Accessible online - The test should be put online so that anyone can
take it at his/her convenience using a PC connected to the Internet.
2. Random questions - I agree with your point here. The sample
set should be large enough to have enough questions at varying levels
so that it can be used by a newbie, an intermediate, expert or guru
programmer to benchmark himself.
3. Provide percentile ratings - The test should provide typical percentile
ratings and classify them into levels - like 90% for expert etc.
4. Provide a pass/cutoff - The test should fix a cut-off percentile so that
if some one does not achieve the cut-off, he has to go back to the textbooks
(or to Guido's online tutorial!)
5. Provide a "certificate" - "You have passed Python certification with
a rating of xx percentile..."
Of course such a certification should have the blessings of the PSF and
should be generally acceptable to the Python community.
This would make it easy for the average IT recruiter or manager to
evaluate candidates to fill up Python developer vacancies.
>
> I hope some year to show something like this off at PyCon but currently lack
> the time to implement it myself.
>
> -Jeff
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
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From dorai at thodla.com Thu Oct 25 14:15:01 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:15:01 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
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Sreekanth,
I have tried Moodle. It is a bit clunky. But we can probably use it as a
starting point.
Take a look at this http://tryruby.hobix.com/
It has got to be something really simple (for the learner) to start with. No
downloading or installing.
Then we can progressively move up to more complex environments and end up in
something like Moodle. The problem I find with Moodle is that It is not very
easy for the learner to navigate even though there is a lot of power.
Dorai
www.thodla.com
On 10/25/07, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/25/07, Vishal wrote:
> >
> > Wow..thats a real good idea.
> >
> > I am interested in working such a python resource...'cause I feel I am
> > in that boat of people..who dont know what they dont know. I guess creating
> > such a resource would help one learn Python automatically.
> >
> > Website created in Python, for learning Python...
> >
> > Any pointers...where to start from?
>
>
> I think as a community we should buile a LMS module for moodle to enable
> new-bees to learn python and evaluate them self.
> What do you all say?
> - sree
>
> Vishal
> >
>
> --
> Thanks and Regards,
> - sree
>
> Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
> Excutive Director
> Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
> # 314/1, 2nd Floor, Vijaykiran Building
> 7th Cross, Domlur Layout,
> Bangalore, India - 560071
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> Mobile: +91 98455 12611
>
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From siddharta.lists at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 15:00:57 2007
From: siddharta.lists at gmail.com (Siddharta)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:30:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
In-Reply-To: <603b7e560710250515j64c0b7abjd103034b0033f3c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <471F6B34.6080905@taupro.com> <949544.92130.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <313529610710250404y53f3e997ge9e58e8a7b6ec386@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow, thats awesome. Very cool.
Dorai Thodla wrote:
> Sreekanth,
> I have tried Moodle. It is a bit clunky. But we can probably use it as
> a starting point.
>
> Take a look at this http://tryruby.hobix.com/
>
> It has got to be something really simple (for the learner) to start
> with. No downloading or installing.
>
> Then we can progressively move up to more complex environments and end
> up in something like Moodle. The problem I find with Moodle is that It
> is not very easy for the learner to navigate even though there is a
> lot of power.
>
> Dorai
> www.thodla.com
>
> On 10/25/07, *Sreekanth S Rameshaiah* > wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/25/07, * Vishal* > wrote:
>
> Wow..thats a real good idea.
>
> I am interested in working such a python resource...'cause I
> feel I am in that boat of people..who dont know what they dont
> know. I guess creating such a resource would help one learn
> Python automatically.
>
> Website created in Python, for learning Python...
>
> Any pointers...where to start from?
>
>
> I think as a community we should buile a LMS module for moodle to
> enable new-bees to learn python and evaluate them self.
> What do you all say?
>
From anandology at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 15:13:07 2007
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:43:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
In-Reply-To: <603b7e560710250515j64c0b7abjd103034b0033f3c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <471F6B34.6080905@taupro.com>
<949544.92130.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<313529610710250404y53f3e997ge9e58e8a7b6ec386@mail.gmail.com>
<603b7e560710250515j64c0b7abjd103034b0033f3c8@mail.gmail.com>
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On 25-Oct-07, at 5:45 PM, Dorai Thodla wrote:
> Sreekanth,
> I have tried Moodle. It is a bit clunky. But we can probably use it
> as a starting point.
>
> Take a look at this http://tryruby.hobix.com/
>
> It has got to be something really simple (for the learner) to start
> with. No downloading or installing.
>
> Then we can progressively move up to more complex environments and
> end up in something like Moodle. The problem I find with Moodle is
> that It is not very easy for the learner to navigate even though
> there is a lot of power.
Interesting!
I remember seeing something experiment like this in python. But I am
unable to trace it now.
try_python is another experiment like this, but I couldn't make it work.
http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/try_python/.
There is an interesting book on javascript, which allows readers to
try the example on the same page.
http://eloquentjavascript.net/
Anand
From raonikhilesh at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 15:19:56 2007
From: raonikhilesh at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?TmlraGlsZXNoIFJhbw==?=)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:19:56 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] Fw: Mailman privacy alert
Message-ID: <1099937408-1193318455-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-907531248-@bxe001.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
Hi I got this message when I tried to get the daily digest...
Nikhilesh
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From dorai at thodla.com Thu Oct 25 15:56:22 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:56:22 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
In-Reply-To: <47209389.4000701@gmail.com>
References: <471F6B34.6080905@taupro.com>
<949544.92130.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<313529610710250404y53f3e997ge9e58e8a7b6ec386@mail.gmail.com>
<603b7e560710250515j64c0b7abjd103034b0033f3c8@mail.gmail.com>
<47209389.4000701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <603b7e560710250656o234275c0w8a5c68e1bec04432@mail.gmail.com>
What I was really looking for is something called HicketyHack. I finally
located it in my own blog :)
http://dorai.wordpress.com/2007/04/29/little-programs/
The concept of little programs is a great one. Let us say that you already
program in some language like C, Java, C#. You want to do a quick eval of
what Python does in less than an hour. These little programs can really
help.
When I was first learning Python, the list comprehension looked a bit odd.
Look at its immense power.
I think when we think of training, we need to think at different audience:
1. Beginners (to programming) who may be enticed into Python since it is so
easy to learn
2. Programmers (exposed to some other C-style language)
3. People familiar with Python but looking for common idioms and design
patterns
4. Kids (Programming as a tool for Computational Thinking)
5. People who are not basically programmers but Scientists and others who
need to learn programming to do something useful in their domain.
This is the topic of discussion in Python Advocacy mailing list and to some
extent in a more generic way, in Teaching and Learning. I come to Python
from a series of other languages - PDP-11 assembly, Basic Plus, Cobol, C,
VB, Java. Life would have been very different if I had the opportunity to
start with Python.
Sorry for rambling on. So what has all this got to do with certification? I
think the need for certification is different for each category of user.
On 10/25/07, Siddharta wrote:
>
> Wow, thats awesome. Very cool.
>
> Dorai Thodla wrote:
> > Sreekanth,
> > I have tried Moodle. It is a bit clunky. But we can probably use it as
> > a starting point.
> >
> > Take a look at this http://tryruby.hobix.com/
> >
> > It has got to be something really simple (for the learner) to start
> > with. No downloading or installing.
> >
> > Then we can progressively move up to more complex environments and end
> > up in something like Moodle. The problem I find with Moodle is that It
> > is not very easy for the learner to navigate even though there is a
> > lot of power.
> >
> > Dorai
> > www.thodla.com
> >
> > On 10/25/07, *Sreekanth S Rameshaiah* > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/25/07, * Vishal* > > wrote:
> >
> > Wow..thats a real good idea.
> >
> > I am interested in working such a python resource...'cause I
> > feel I am in that boat of people..who dont know what they dont
> > know. I guess creating such a resource would help one learn
> > Python automatically.
> >
> > Website created in Python, for learning Python...
> >
> > Any pointers...where to start from?
> >
> >
> > I think as a community we should buile a LMS module for moodle to
> > enable new-bees to learn python and evaluate them self.
> > What do you all say?
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
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From raonikhilesh at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 15:17:07 2007
From: raonikhilesh at gmail.com (Nikhilesh Rao)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:17:07 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Daily Digest
References: <471F6B34.6080905@taupro.com><949544.92130.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com><313529610710250404y53f3e997ge9e58e8a7b6ec386@mail.gmail.com><603b7e560710250515j64c0b7abjd103034b0033f3c8@mail.gmail.com>
<5F0F7C13-1606-40E4-B702-A147306396D3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01c81709$5ac8c230$de01a8c0@DCMQQ491>
Hi,
I just wanted to see how one can get a daily digest of emails instead of
individual emails. I went to the Bangpypers mailing list page and subscribed
with a daily digest option. I hope it works.
Thanks,
Nik
From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Fri Oct 26 05:28:56 2007
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:58:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Certification
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30710250405m5a66e093n6c59e98f55a12d3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2bcf25780710230247q765c23eco8a67e2eaa182e23d@mail.gmail.com>
<7c73a13a0710231155x6f547e14m4ae075799e27ba16@mail.gmail.com>
<8548c5f30710232312m17970c6epb2a6c5152436631e@mail.gmail.com>
<603b7e560710240709t2b766e67r6e6f8536137eaa04@mail.gmail.com>
<471F6B34.6080905@taupro.com>
<8548c5f30710250405m5a66e093n6c59e98f55a12d3d@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/25/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> Such a test should ideally have some of the following features.
>
> 2. Random questions - I agree with your point here. The sample
> set should be large enough to have enough questions at varying levels
> so that it can be used by a newbie, an intermediate, expert or guru
> programmer to benchmark himself.
2.1. Dynamic questions - (hazy idea, but I hope I make sense) Instead
of having a fixed 'sample set,' we shall make the system intelligent
enough to 'generate' questions based on the feature set of Python.
Take for example list comprehensions. Instead of adding a set of
multiple-choice questions we could write Python code that generates
well-defined type of questions with random data for input (and thus
the expected output given by the candidate has to vary over time).
Eg,
Q: Using list comprehension, print "a list of squares" from "5" to "15"
The thing within quotes are dynamic - varies over time.
There can be more such 'question types' for list comprehension alone.
Similarly do the same for other features of Python.. and categorize
them by different versions (2.3, 2.4, 2.5 .. 3.0)
I'd be interested in contributing to this project.
--
http://nearfar.org/
From dorai at thodla.com Sun Oct 28 15:03:39 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:03:39 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
Message-ID: <603b7e560710280703y7220a597r9036efd9d822f65f@mail.gmail.com>
I came across an article a couple of days ago about extending Vim (Vim is Vi
based editor) with python. It was really cool to compile a set of python
functions and call them inside Python. I found it on
http://programming.reddit.com/ which seems to have nice links to Python
articles fairly frequently (reddit itself is a python app written in web.py
).
This example used BeautifulSoup parsing library.
http://www.builderau.com.au/program/python/soa/Extending-Vim-with-Python/0,2000064084,339283181,00.htm
Since I have not heard of BeautifulSoup before, I started looking into it.
It is an amazingly simple and useful Python library for parsing HTML and
XML.
http://www.builderau.com.au/program/python/soa/Build-a-basic-Web-scraper-in-Python/0,2000064084,339281476,00.htm
I was wondering whether we should have a thread where people share their
favorite Python libraries and how they discovered it.
--
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From siddharta.lists at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 03:47:40 2007
From: siddharta.lists at gmail.com (Siddharta)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:17:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
In-Reply-To: <603b7e560710280703y7220a597r9036efd9d822f65f@mail.gmail.com>
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BeautifulSoup is AWESOME. I did a demo of BeautifulSoup in one of the
Bangpypers meetups in March 2005. I use it regularly to screen scrape
information from web pages.
Apart from that, my most used libraries are
- Python Imaging Library : Very nice library to manipulate images,
generate dynamic graphs & charts etc
- ReportLab : Create PDF files
- mechanize : Nice library to automatically open web pages, fill up &
submit forms etc
- pygoogle : Interact with google's search APIs. I use pygoogle a lot.
Stuff that I dont use, but looks interesting
- python-mock : http://python-mock.sourceforge.net/
- Construct : http://construct.wikispaces.com/
- Scapy : http://freshmeat.net/projects/scapy/
--
Siddharta Govindaraj
http://siddhi.blogspot.com
http://www.silverstripesoftware.com/blog/
From dorai at thodla.com Mon Oct 29 07:35:18 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:35:18 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
In-Reply-To: <472549CC.8050304@gmail.com>
References: <603b7e560710280703y7220a597r9036efd9d822f65f@mail.gmail.com>
<472549CC.8050304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <603b7e560710282335q2ac52242s207b44ab72d51d11@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks. I will explore some of the links.
Dorai
On 10/28/07, Siddharta wrote:
>
> BeautifulSoup is AWESOME. I did a demo of BeautifulSoup in one of the
> Bangpypers meetups in March 2005. I use it regularly to screen scrape
> information from web pages.
>
> Apart from that, my most used libraries are
>
> - Python Imaging Library : Very nice library to manipulate images,
> generate dynamic graphs & charts etc
> - ReportLab : Create PDF files
> - mechanize : Nice library to automatically open web pages, fill up &
> submit forms etc
> - pygoogle : Interact with google's search APIs. I use pygoogle a lot.
>
> Stuff that I dont use, but looks interesting
>
> - python-mock : http://python-mock.sourceforge.net/
> - Construct : http://construct.wikispaces.com/
> - Scapy : http://freshmeat.net/projects/scapy/
>
> --
> Siddharta Govindaraj
> http://siddhi.blogspot.com
> http://www.silverstripesoftware.com/blog/
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bharath.keshav at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 09:37:53 2007
From: bharath.keshav at gmail.com (Bharath Keshav)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:07:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
In-Reply-To: <603b7e560710282335q2ac52242s207b44ab72d51d11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <603b7e560710280703y7220a597r9036efd9d822f65f@mail.gmail.com>
<472549CC.8050304@gmail.com>
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Message-ID:
I liked Beautiful Soup a lot too when I used it couple of months back. Also,
Mechanize is a super cool library for filling and submitting the forms of
any page. One can write a meta search engine by just using these two
libraries in Python.
Also, PyAmazon(by Mark Pilgrim, author of Dive into Python) is a good Python
module for accessing the Amazon services. It has a neat interface covering
almost all the free services provided by Amazon.
Djaptcha seems to be a cool Django capthca(I am yet to use it), which can be
used with the Django projects with the forms to avoid spamming bots.
Thanks and regards,
Bharath Keshav
On 10/29/07, Dorai Thodla wrote:
>
> Thanks. I will explore some of the links.
>
> Dorai
>
> On 10/28/07, Siddharta wrote:
> >
> > BeautifulSoup is AWESOME. I did a demo of BeautifulSoup in one of the
> > Bangpypers meetups in March 2005. I use it regularly to screen scrape
> > information from web pages.
> >
> > Apart from that, my most used libraries are
> >
> > - Python Imaging Library : Very nice library to manipulate images,
> > generate dynamic graphs & charts etc
> > - ReportLab : Create PDF files
> > - mechanize : Nice library to automatically open web pages, fill up &
> > submit forms etc
> > - pygoogle : Interact with google's search APIs. I use pygoogle a lot.
> >
> > Stuff that I dont use, but looks interesting
> >
> > - python-mock : http://python-mock.sourceforge.net/
> > - Construct : http://construct.wikispaces.com/
> > - Scapy : http://freshmeat.net/projects/scapy/
> >
> > --
> > Siddharta Govindaraj
> > http://siddhi.blogspot.com
> > http://www.silverstripesoftware.com/blog/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com)
> Tracking Web Trends
>
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From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 15:03:00 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:33:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
In-Reply-To:
References: <603b7e560710280703y7220a597r9036efd9d822f65f@mail.gmail.com>
<472549CC.8050304@gmail.com>
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I am not a regular user of a lot of Python software. I consider myself
more of a developer rather than a consumer of Python scripts/software :)
My experience with Python is that I tend to develop most of the Python
software for my requirements myself. The language being so flexible
and apt for quick prototyping lends to this.
One Python software which I use a lot is my own HarvestMan. I am currently
developing version 2.0 of it, which means I test it a lot. I have also developed
a multithreaded downloader application on HarvestMan (I call it "hget") which
is something like a X platform downloaded accelerator console tool with
transparent support for mirrors etc. I have not yet published it as a package,
though the code is public. Now a days I have replaced wget almost entirely
with hget ... However since it is not a publicly announced yet, no
point talking about it now. Though I think you will get to hear about
it pretty soon :)
Apart from these I have written some personal management software
on top of Django which is my favorite web application development platform.
I recently wrote a mutual fund manager on it and also a time tracking tool.
Django is absolutely fabulous - I rate it as a top-notch Python framework.
More than Python packages, I seem to reuse a lot of code from the Python
Cookbook web-site, to which I am a frequent contributor. My
$HOME/programs/python is mostly modified ASPN recipes which I use for
doing a lot of daily grunge work and also as a developer library.
--Anand
On 10/29/07, Bharath Keshav wrote:
> I liked Beautiful Soup a lot too when I used it couple of months back. Also,
> Mechanize is a super cool library for filling and submitting the forms of
> any page. One can write a meta search engine by just using these two
> libraries in Python.
>
> Also, PyAmazon(by Mark Pilgrim, author of Dive into Python) is a good Python
> module for accessing the Amazon services. It has a neat interface covering
> almost all the free services provided by Amazon.
>
> Djaptcha seems to be a cool Django capthca(I am yet to use it), which can be
> used with the Django projects with the forms to avoid spamming bots.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Bharath Keshav
>
> On 10/29/07, Dorai Thodla wrote:
> > Thanks. I will explore some of the links.
> >
> > Dorai
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/28/07, Siddharta < siddharta.lists at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > BeautifulSoup is AWESOME. I did a demo of BeautifulSoup in one of the
> > > Bangpypers meetups in March 2005. I use it regularly to screen scrape
> > > information from web pages.
> > >
> > > Apart from that, my most used libraries are
> > >
> > > - Python Imaging Library : Very nice library to manipulate images,
> > > generate dynamic graphs & charts etc
> > > - ReportLab : Create PDF files
> > > - mechanize : Nice library to automatically open web pages, fill up &
> > > submit forms etc
> > > - pygoogle : Interact with google's search APIs. I use pygoogle a lot.
> > >
> > > Stuff that I dont use, but looks interesting
> > >
> > > - python-mock : http://python-mock.sourceforge.net/
> > > - Construct : http://construct.wikispaces.com/
> > > - Scapy : http://freshmeat.net/projects/scapy/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Siddharta Govindaraj
> > > http://siddhi.blogspot.com
> > > http://www.silverstripesoftware.com/blog/
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dorai Thodla ( http://www.thodla.com)
> > Tracking Web Trends
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 15:50:07 2007
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:20:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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> I was wondering whether we should have a thread where people share their
> favorite Python libraries and how they discovered it.
For web development: SQLAlchemy, Genshi, Mako, web.py, Twisted,
Twisted.Web2, Nevow (I dislike SQLObject, TG, Django, ..)
BeautifulSoup is a neat library. pyrex for some C touch. nose for
unittest discovery (I tend to use doctest a lot).
On JavaScript front, jQuery (mootools may fit better for tiny
scriptting tasks) and YUI/ExtJS for some sophisticated JavaScript
coding.
Bonus: An uncommon Python software that I once tried to incorporate:
http://scons.org/
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From ramdas at developeriq.com Mon Oct 29 16:08:56 2007
From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:38:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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Django is definitely the framework which I recommend since I use it
extensively. It currently has a momentum that is larger than most of the
other frameworks. And a lot applications are being written on top of Django.
I've been told that other frameworks (notabley Zope, Pylons and TurboGears)
are better by their users/developers. That is probably true, but I feel that
it is better to bet on something that has a bigger momentum in terms of
users, developers, and developer companies.
However, Django simply scores because of extremely good documentation. You
can easily get around without reading much of the source, by following the
set of tutorials.
I am more a consumer of software, so I see value in stuff what a user
developer would like to see, rather than someone who writes apps for other
developers/developer-users.
Ramdas
On 10/29/07, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
>
> > I was wondering whether we should have a thread where people share their
> > favorite Python libraries and how they discovered it.
>
> For web development: SQLAlchemy, Genshi, Mako, web.py, Twisted,
> Twisted.Web2, Nevow (I dislike SQLObject, TG, Django, ..)
>
> BeautifulSoup is a neat library. pyrex for some C touch. nose for
> unittest discovery (I tend to use doctest a lot).
>
> On JavaScript front, jQuery (mootools may fit better for tiny
> scriptting tasks) and YUI/ExtJS for some sophisticated JavaScript
> coding.
>
> Bonus: An uncommon Python software that I once tried to incorporate:
> http://scons.org/
>
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From pradeep at btbytes.com Mon Oct 29 17:28:45 2007
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:58:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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>> I was wondering whether we should have a thread where people share
>> their
>> favorite Python libraries and how they discovered it.
I have used/using:
GUI Frameworks: wxPython,
Parsing/grammar: pyparsing
content extraction; Beautifulsoup
Templating languages: Myghty, Mako, Jinja(django) and ZPT.
Machine learning: Orange, WEKA with Jython
Math: Py-GLPK, Graphviz/python
Windows automation and COM: python-win32,
Testing framework: Pyunit, ploneselenium, mechanize (http://
wwwsearch.sf.net),
Web frameworks : Zope2, plone, Pylons and Django (my fav. is pylons
with django a close second, want to explore Grok in future)
ORM: SQLAlchemy, django orm.
Javascript: I use both jquery and YUI in equal measure.
I'm using using python professionally for more than 4 years now.
I have used all off the above at one time or the other for
professional development.
-Pradeep
From gnuyoga at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 19:04:22 2007
From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (gnuyoga)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:34:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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>
> I was wondering whether we should have a thread where people share
> their favorite Python libraries and how they discovered it.
- Twisted Python
- and lots of swigs ;-)
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From jace at pobox.com Mon Oct 29 19:27:41 2007
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:57:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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On 29-Oct-07, at 8:38 PM, Ramdas S wrote:
> I've been told that other frameworks (notabley Zope, Pylons and
> TurboGears) are better by their users/developers. That is probably
> true, but I feel that it is better to bet on something that has a
> bigger momentum in terms of users, developers, and developer
> companies.
Not meaning to start a flamewar, but this may be worth reading for
those who haven't already:
http://dirtsimple.org/2007/01/where-zope-leads-python-follows.html
From dorai at thodla.com Mon Oct 29 19:43:09 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:43:09 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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Kiran,
Good link. I have been using Zope/Plone over 4 years but have not dug too
deep. I may do that with Zope3.
I found that the steep learning curve and the documentation that never
really seems to be current (I am talking more about Plone than Zope) are two
problems I face when I need to recruit developers to build using these
products.
I think good documentation will fix the problem in the long run and the Zope
Components book may definitely help.
Is there a perception that Zope is more heavy weight than some of the other
web frameworks?
Hope this will generate a lot of discussion.
On 10/29/07, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
>
> On 29-Oct-07, at 8:38 PM, Ramdas S wrote:
>
> > I've been told that other frameworks (notabley Zope, Pylons and
> > TurboGears) are better by their users/developers. That is probably
> > true, but I feel that it is better to bet on something that has a
> > bigger momentum in terms of users, developers, and developer
> > companies.
>
> Not meaning to start a flamewar, but this may be worth reading for
> those who haven't already:
>
> http://dirtsimple.org/2007/01/where-zope-leads-python-follows.html
>
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From larryt at winfirst.com Tue Oct 30 03:23:29 2007
From: larryt at winfirst.com (larryt at winfirst.com)
Date: 29 Oct 2007 18:23:29 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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"Dorai Thodla" writes:
> I have been using Zope/Plone over 4 years but have not dug too
> deep. I may do that with Zope3.
I've heard that starting with Grok may make this easier.
>
> I found that the steep learning curve and the documentation that never
> really seems to be current (I am talking more about Plone than Zope) are two
> problems I face when I need to recruit developers to build using these
> products.
Me too. The product's author often is in the best position to use the
product, thus guaranteeing a steady flow of consulting gigs. On the
other hand that's not zope's fault.
>
> I think good documentation will fix the problem in the long run and the Zope
> Components book may definitely help.
Maybe so, I doubt the products themselves will ever be well
documented. They change too fast, for one thing.
>
> Is there a perception that Zope is more heavy weight than some of
> the other web frameworks?
I think that perception exists. But it isn't unnecessary weight, Zope
is just big, so its a matter of using the right tool for a given
purpose. For example, web.py is "lighter" to work with... it fits
cleanly into simple python scripts rather than demanding you learn to
use it in its own terms, as zope does. So web.py is great for, eg.,
tossing something up onto the web, especially if that something is
already in python objects. On the other hand, Zope can easily make
content editable though the web, which is nice for documentation.
>
> Hope this will generate a lot of discussion.
>
> On 10/29/07, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
> >
> > On 29-Oct-07, at 8:38 PM, Ramdas S wrote:
> >
> > > I've been told that other frameworks (notabley Zope, Pylons and
> > > TurboGears) are better by their users/developers. That is probably
> > > true, but I feel that it is better to bet on something that has a
> > > bigger momentum in terms of users, developers, and developer
> > > companies.
> >
> > Not meaning to start a flamewar, but this may be worth reading for
> > those who haven't already:
> >
> > http://dirtsimple.org/2007/01/where-zope-leads-python-follows.html
But that link doesn't say why it might make sense to actually use zope
for real projects right now. It also doesn't mention zope.interfaces,
which is a prime and very current example of zope leading the way.
-larry
From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 04:14:50 2007
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:44:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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On 10/29/07, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
> Not meaning to start a flamewar, but this may be worth reading for
> those who haven't already:
>
> http://dirtsimple.org/2007/01/where-zope-leads-python-follows.html
How about the view "Frameworks do not exist"?
http://pythonpaste.org/do-it-yourself-framework.html
:-)
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From pradeep at btbytes.com Tue Oct 30 04:25:33 2007
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:55:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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On 30-Oct-07, at 7:53 AM, larryt at winfirst.com wrote:
>>
>> On 10/29/07, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
>>>
>>> On 29-Oct-07, at 8:38 PM, Ramdas S wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been told that other frameworks (notabley Zope, Pylons and
>>>> TurboGears) are better by their users/developers. That is probably
>>>> true, but I feel that it is better to bet on something that has a
>>>> bigger momentum in terms of users, developers, and developer
>>>> companies.
>>>
>>> Not meaning to start a flamewar, but this may be worth reading for
>>> those who haven't already:
>>>
>>> http://dirtsimple.org/2007/01/where-zope-leads-python-follows.html
>
> But that link doesn't say why it might make sense to actually use zope
> for real projects right now. It also doesn't mention zope.interfaces,
> which is a prime and very current example of zope leading the way.
Zope gets a lot of flack for being old, archaic and what not. But,
when zope started its life as bobo, the object publisher, the other
alternatives in the web development world were cgi and perl!
Zope2 brought through the web publishing - not just allowing non-tech
people to write and publish content, but also, make customisations,
even write new products `through the web`.
To customize zope you needed to use the textbox in your browser,
nothing else....
Anyway, talking about Zope2 is like reminiscing about old cars. There
have been iconic cars which were way ahead of their day and were
successful because of what they did and people still love them :)
Perhaps, if one wants make peace with Zope2, understand that it was
an immensely productive platform for end users, may not be so for a
programmer who walks in the door and starts his editor....
How many programmers love Excel? Very few, right? So, what makes
sense for end users may not be sexy for the programmer. Excel has
functional programming? hah, who cares...
everybody knows excel is for "MBA" types ... ;)
People complain about lack of documentation. I never felt that way.
Maybe thats because I was taught the zope way by colleagues when I
started out and believe me, coming from a short stint in PHP
programming,
Zope was a breath of cool,mint-laced air.
As PJE's article (link above) points out, many of the python
innovations started in Zope.
Zope is one such community which really takes care of its customers
interests and developers investment in it.
It is very rearly that zope and plone make changes which break
existing code, without giving enough time and migration help to the
developer community.
When zope3 was conceived and developed from scratch, they did not
drop Zope2. They invented Five (2+3 get it?). to allow coexistence of
old user/code base and the Brave New World.
Some complained that Zope3 is too much like J2EE and has too much XML
in it, so came along Grok, which tries to "grok" configurable
settings looking at code. Think convention over configuration.
Again, people believed that Zope is a silo with little connection to
the "python" world. Oh, how they are mistaken.
Zope3 takes component reuse and modularity *really* seriously. Zope2
has its own Webserver. Zope3 uses Twisted, the much revered python
network libraries.
Every *single* of Zope3 and even Plone's libraries are now available
as Eggs, which you can use without touching zope. No need to get your
hands dirty there, boy!
Just to put things in perspective, django does not even have an egg
for installation. They have written their own ORM, templating all in
the name of tight integration. Smells a lot like Zope2 in 1990s to
me. People who love django for this reason, should be able empathise
with zope2 people.. (Having said that, I have to disclose that my
current project is on Django, and it is immensely productive.)
Zope3 also believes in WSGI - the future of python web development.
Just yesterday, I was able to rig up a Grok application and a Pylons
application together using Repoze(http://www.repoze.org). (I'll post
a blog entry soon about this). Think of the possibilities.
The kind of functionality available in Zope and plone especially when
it comes to fine grained authentication, content metadata,
internationalisation support, are yet to be seen on other python
framework.
However, the choice is simpler now, because Zope is pushing for a
``Python Ecosystem'' rather than a single do-it-all framework. Once
again they lead the way.
Peace,
Pradeep
From skpatel20 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 30 07:07:27 2007
From: skpatel20 at hotmail.com (Sanjaya Kumar Patel)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:37:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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At my company we are using TurboGears + SQLAlchemy + Genshi for more than a year. We are quiet satisfied with our choice among the jungle of frameworks. Here is why I prefer TurboGears over others -> http://sanjaypatel.blogspot.com/
I think with the release of TurboGears 2.0 sometime next year, we will get a nice and ultra modern application development pack.
Sanjay
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From vimalmenon at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 08:42:55 2007
From: vimalmenon at yahoo.com (Vimal Menon)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:42:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
Message-ID: <740383.67466.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Hi,
Some of the Libraries/Modules/Wrappers I used and liked,
scapy -
Scapy is a powerful interactive packet manipulation program. It is able to forge
or decode packets of a wide number of protocols. Power of Scapy with the simplicity of Python makes it a killer combination ;)
cPickle - well many of u might have used it ..
pytables - havent used it much, but i liked it very much , may be someday some s/w, I would use it :)
Pyrex - an easy way to write extension modules, helps a lot when u r writing system level code in python.
Regards,
Vimal
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From: Dorai Thodla
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Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:33:39 PM
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
I came across an article a couple of days ago about extending Vim (Vim is Vi based editor) with python. It was really cool to compile a set of python functions and call them inside Python. I found it on
http://programming.reddit.com/ which seems to have nice links to Python articles fairly frequently (reddit itself is a python app written in web.py).
This example used BeautifulSoup parsing library.
http://www.builderau.com.au/program/python/soa/Extending-Vim-with-Python/0,2000064084,339283181,00.htm
Since I have not heard of BeautifulSoup before, I started looking into it. It is an amazingly simple and useful Python library for parsing HTML and XML.
http://www.builderau.com.au/program/python/soa/Build-a-basic-Web-scraper-in-Python/0,2000064084,339281476,00.htm
I was wondering whether we should have a thread where people share their favorite Python libraries and how they discovered it.
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From srsy70 at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 12:13:07 2007
From: srsy70 at gmail.com (S.Ramaswamy)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:43:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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On 10/29/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> developing version 2.0 of it, which means I test it a lot. I have also developed
> a multithreaded downloader application on HarvestMan (I call it "hget") which
> is something like a X platform downloaded accelerator console tool with
> transparent support for mirrors etc. I have not yet published it as a package,
> though the code is public.
That's a coincidence - I am working on a downloader of sorts
myself.It's for downloading large files like OS ISOs and like.
Ramaswamy
From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 12:29:40 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:59:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
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Interesting! I already have this working at a beta stage with
transparent support for sourceforge mirrors and ability to
supply additional mirrors by passing a "mirror file" to the program
which contains mirror URLs for the file. The program basically
performs HTTP byte-range downloads in multiple threads, pulling
different parts of the same file either from the same server (no mirrors)
or from different servers (with mirrors).
I regularly use it to download any file more than 5 MB, typically
speeding up my downloads 3-10 times. I have added support for HTTP
resume also which means you can stop the download and resume
it later. FTP REST is pending....
It is not a new application in itself but reuses HarvestMan libraries,
mainly its threading library.
I am now working on adding some cool stuff like mirror searches
using popular file mirroring websites, so that you don't need to supply
any mirror files for your downloads (instead the program searches and
pulls mirrors from the Internet). This will be done using a plugin
mechanism so that it is extensible.
The final goal is to have something which is better than DAP, which
is X platform, open source and command-line.
If you are interested in the source code let me know. I can send
you the URL.
--Anand
On 10/30/07, S.Ramaswamy wrote:
> On 10/29/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>
>
> > developing version 2.0 of it, which means I test it a lot. I have also developed
> > a multithreaded downloader application on HarvestMan (I call it "hget") which
> > is something like a X platform downloaded accelerator console tool with
> > transparent support for mirrors etc. I have not yet published it as a package,
> > though the code is public.
>
> That's a coincidence - I am working on a downloader of sorts
> myself.It's for downloading large files like OS ISOs and like.
>
> Ramaswamy
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From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:06:15 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:36:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
Message-ID: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
Hi,
Once again, I am requesting from the group for folks who would
like to share moderator responsibility on this list. Currently only I
moderate the list (with Jeff
being the "meta-admin" :). I am getting too many moderator requests
these days so it would be nice to share the spoils.
Please send your email address if you are interested in moderating the list.
I will be assigning email addresses of first three replies as list
moderators.
Note that this is only for moderation, not for the complete list admin.
Thanks & Regards
--
-Anand
From ramkrsna at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:13:40 2007
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:43:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Once again, I am requesting from the group for folks who would
> like to share moderator responsibility on this list. Currently only I
> moderate the list (with Jeff
> being the "meta-admin" :). I am getting too many moderator requests
> these days so it would be nice to share the spoils.
>
> Please send your email address if you are interested in moderating the list.
>
> I will be assigning email addresses of first three replies as list
> moderators.
>
Heh! I never knew list moderation, comes in first come first serve basis :D
--
Ramakrishna Reddy GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:16:07 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:46:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To:
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30710300616g61afcf8cka56bb4079a9f10c5@mail.gmail.com>
Is that a yes ? :)
On 10/30/07, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
> On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Once again, I am requesting from the group for folks who would
> > like to share moderator responsibility on this list. Currently only I
> > moderate the list (with Jeff
> > being the "meta-admin" :). I am getting too many moderator requests
> > these days so it would be nice to share the spoils.
> >
> > Please send your email address if you are interested in moderating the list.
> >
> > I will be assigning email addresses of first three replies as list
> > moderators.
> >
> Heh! I never knew list moderation, comes in first come first serve basis :D
>
>
> --
> Ramakrishna Reddy GPG
> Key ID:31FF0090
> Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
--
-Anand
From bharath.keshav at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:18:40 2007
From: bharath.keshav at gmail.com (Bharath Keshav)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:48:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30710300616g61afcf8cka56bb4079a9f10c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
<8548c5f30710300616g61afcf8cka56bb4079a9f10c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Count me in. :)
On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>
> Is that a yes ? :)
>
> On 10/30/07, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
> > On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Once again, I am requesting from the group for folks who would
> > > like to share moderator responsibility on this list. Currently only I
> > > moderate the list (with Jeff
> > > being the "meta-admin" :). I am getting too many moderator requests
> > > these days so it would be nice to share the spoils.
> > >
> > > Please send your email address if you are interested in moderating the
> list.
> > >
> > > I will be assigning email addresses of first three replies as list
> > > moderators.
> > >
> > Heh! I never knew list moderation, comes in first come first serve
> basis :D
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ramakrishna Reddy GPG
> > Key ID:31FF0090
> > Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
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From sree at mahiti.org Tue Oct 30 14:19:17 2007
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:49:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30710300616g61afcf8cka56bb4079a9f10c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
<8548c5f30710300616g61afcf8cka56bb4079a9f10c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <313529610710300619j7faf876fqfeb382e94289ad5@mail.gmail.com>
Me too.
- sree
On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>
> Is that a yes ? :)
>
> On 10/30/07, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
> > On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Once again, I am requesting from the group for folks who would
> > > like to share moderator responsibility on this list. Currently only I
> > > moderate the list (with Jeff
> > > being the "meta-admin" :). I am getting too many moderator requests
> > > these days so it would be nice to share the spoils.
> > >
> > > Please send your email address if you are interested in moderating the
> list.
> > >
> > > I will be assigning email addresses of first three replies as list
> > > moderators.
> > >
> > Heh! I never knew list moderation, comes in first come first serve
> basis :D
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ramakrishna Reddy GPG
> > Key ID:31FF0090
> > Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
--
Thanks and Regards,
- sree
Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
Excutive Director
Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
# 314/1, 2nd Floor, Vijaykiran Building
7th Cross, Domlur Layout,
Bangalore, India - 560071
Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1/2/3
Mobile: +91 98455 12611
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From vinayak.mahadevan at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:14:27 2007
From: vinayak.mahadevan at gmail.com (Vinayak Mahadevan)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:44:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <727912d50710300614i4f882233l21cd9fcc386e750c@mail.gmail.com>
On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> Please send your email address if you are interested in moderating the list.
Hi
This is vinayak here. I am not an active participant in this group.
The main reason is just now I have started learning python. I would
like to volunteer as list moderator. My email id is
vinayak.mahadevan at gmail.com. I would be able to moderate only between
8:30 am to say 6 pm.
Regards
Vinayak
--
M. Vinayak
Mobile: +91-9444883529
From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:20:52 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:50:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To:
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30710300620v3de2e08fg7a0312884b481e9d@mail.gmail.com>
Ah, mailman does not seem to have a good interface for moderation-only,
so I am assigning these email addresses as list admins itself.
Sree is already in. 2 more slots open ....
--Anand
On 10/30/07, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
> On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Once again, I am requesting from the group for folks who would
> > like to share moderator responsibility on this list. Currently only I
> > moderate the list (with Jeff
> > being the "meta-admin" :). I am getting too many moderator requests
> > these days so it would be nice to share the spoils.
> >
> > Please send your email address if you are interested in moderating the list.
> >
> > I will be assigning email addresses of first three replies as list
> > moderators.
> >
> Heh! I never knew list moderation, comes in first come first serve basis :D
>
>
> --
> Ramakrishna Reddy GPG
> Key ID:31FF0090
> Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
--
-Anand
From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:22:29 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:52:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30710300620v3de2e08fg7a0312884b481e9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
<8548c5f30710300620v3de2e08fg7a0312884b481e9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30710300622wcb056f9q1a8c14f516c5c5b0@mail.gmail.com>
Now, bharath is in. 1 more slot is vacant ....
--Anand
PS: I will email the list admin password to the admins separately.
On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> Ah, mailman does not seem to have a good interface for moderation-only,
> so I am assigning these email addresses as list admins itself.
>
> Sree is already in. 2 more slots open ....
>
> --Anand
>
> On 10/30/07, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
> > On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Once again, I am requesting from the group for folks who would
> > > like to share moderator responsibility on this list. Currently only I
> > > moderate the list (with Jeff
> > > being the "meta-admin" :). I am getting too many moderator requests
> > > these days so it would be nice to share the spoils.
> > >
> > > Please send your email address if you are interested in moderating the list.
> > >
> > > I will be assigning email addresses of first three replies as list
> > > moderators.
> > >
> > Heh! I never knew list moderation, comes in first come first serve basis :D
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ramakrishna Reddy GPG
> > Key ID:31FF0090
> > Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
> --
> -Anand
>
--
-Anand
From ramkrsna at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:22:58 2007
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:52:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30710300616g61afcf8cka56bb4079a9f10c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
<8548c5f30710300616g61afcf8cka56bb4079a9f10c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> Is that a yes ? :)
Ofcourse .
regards
--
Ramakrishna Reddy GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:23:54 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:53:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To: <727912d50710300614i4f882233l21cd9fcc386e750c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
<727912d50710300614i4f882233l21cd9fcc386e750c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30710300623g4ff829d5wad5cef0bf3047b8c@mail.gmail.com>
Forgot to add that you should be ready to moderate if required
at 00.00 am.
Jokes apart, please volunteer only if you have a net connection
at home. Sorry that I forgot to mention this.
--Anand
On 10/30/07, Vinayak Mahadevan wrote:
> On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > Please send your email address if you are interested in moderating the list.
> Hi
>
> This is vinayak here. I am not an active participant in this group.
> The main reason is just now I have started learning python. I would
> like to volunteer as list moderator. My email id is
> vinayak.mahadevan at gmail.com. I would be able to moderate only between
> 8:30 am to say 6 pm.
>
> Regards
> Vinayak
>
>
> --
> M. Vinayak
> Mobile: +91-9444883529
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
--
-Anand
From pradeep at btbytes.com Tue Oct 30 14:17:02 2007
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:47:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B80F893-84AA-446E-AADA-ECC38B17EB3A@btbytes.com>
count me in. I claim prior experience of BP mailing list on yahoo ;)
On 30-Oct-07, at 6:36 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Once again, I am requesting from the group for folks who would
> like to share moderator responsibility on this list. Currently only I
> moderate the list (with Jeff
> being the "meta-admin" :). I am getting too many moderator requests
> these days so it would be nice to share the spoils.
>
> Please send your email address if you are interested in moderating
> the list.
>
> I will be assigning email addresses of first three replies as list
> moderators.
>
> Note that this is only for moderation, not for the complete list
> admin.
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:29:43 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:59:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To:
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
<8548c5f30710300616g61afcf8cka56bb4079a9f10c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30710300629k3721976axddaf99a04d988b63@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks for the blazing fast responses.
The new admins are sree at mahiti dot org, bharath dot keshav at gmail dot com,
ramkrsna at gmail dot com and pradeep dot gowda at gmail dot com.
Regards
-Anand
On 10/30/07, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote:
> On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > Is that a yes ? :)
> Ofcourse .
> regards
> --
> Ramakrishna Reddy GPG
> Key ID:31FF0090
> Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
--
-Anand
From vinayak.mahadevan at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:32:01 2007
From: vinayak.mahadevan at gmail.com (Vinayak Mahadevan)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:02:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30710300623g4ff829d5wad5cef0bf3047b8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
<727912d50710300614i4f882233l21cd9fcc386e750c@mail.gmail.com>
<8548c5f30710300623g4ff829d5wad5cef0bf3047b8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <727912d50710300632n33d4bedj2d129e10746fc5e7@mail.gmail.com>
On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> Forgot to add that you should be ready to moderate if required
> at 00.00 am.
>
> Jokes apart, please volunteer only if you have a net connection
> at home. Sorry that I forgot to mention this.
Goddam BSNL does not give broadband connections in Hosur :)
--
M. Vinayak
Mobile: +91-9444883529
From dorai at thodla.com Tue Oct 30 16:03:21 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:03:21 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
In-Reply-To: <740383.67466.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <740383.67466.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <603b7e560710300803n79881ad5t7effaf3cb388626f@mail.gmail.com>
Lots of recommendations in the last couple of days. I added them all
to del.icio.us with tags: bangpypers python
http://del.icio.us/search/?user=bangpypers
Feel free to add/modify tags.
Dorai
On Oct 30, 2007 12:42 AM, Vimal Menon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Some of the Libraries/Modules/Wrappers I used and liked,
>
> scapy - Scapy is a powerful interactive packet manipulation program. It is
> able to forge or decode packets of a wide number of protocols. Power of
> Scapy with the simplicity of Python makes it a killer combination ;)
> cPickle - well many of u might have used it ..
> pytables - havent used it much, but i liked it very much , may be someday
> some s/w, I would use it :)
> Pyrex - an easy way to write extension modules, helps a lot when u r writing
> system level code in python.
>
> Regards,
> Vimal
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dorai Thodla
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:33:39 PM
> Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
>
> I came across an article a couple of days ago about extending Vim (Vim is
> Vi based editor) with python. It was really cool to compile a set of python
> functions and call them inside Python. I found it on
> http://programming.reddit.com/ which seems to have nice links to Python
> articles fairly frequently (reddit itself is a python app written in
> web.py).
>
> This example used BeautifulSoup parsing library.
>
>
> http://www.builderau.com.au/program/python/soa/Extending-Vim-with-Python/0,2000064084,339283181,00.htm
>
> Since I have not heard of BeautifulSoup before, I started looking into it.
> It is an amazingly simple and useful Python library for parsing HTML and
> XML.
> http://www.builderau.com.au/program/python/soa/Build-a-basic-Web-scraper-in-Python/0,2000064084,339281476,00.htm
>
> I was wondering whether we should have a thread where people share their
> favorite Python libraries and how they discovered it.
>
> --
> Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com )
> Tracking Web Trends
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
>
--
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Tracking Web Trends
From Mukund_Kamath at infosys.com Tue Oct 30 16:18:04 2007
From: Mukund_Kamath at infosys.com (Mukund Kamath)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:48:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
In-Reply-To: <603b7e560710300803n79881ad5t7effaf3cb388626f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <740383.67466.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
<603b7e560710300803n79881ad5t7effaf3cb388626f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
pexpect is one of my favourites. My work needs expect and I have hated tcl. There are few more implementations for expect with python. Hope to try them all sometime.
Regards,
Mukund
________________________________________
From: bangpypers-bounces at python.org [bangpypers-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Dorai Thodla [dorai at thodla.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:33 PM
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
Lots of recommendations in the last couple of days. I added them all
to del.icio.us with tags: bangpypers python
http://del.icio.us/search/?user=bangpypers
Feel free to add/modify tags.
Dorai
On Oct 30, 2007 12:42 AM, Vimal Menon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Some of the Libraries/Modules/Wrappers I used and liked,
>
> scapy - Scapy is a powerful interactive packet manipulation program. It is
> able to forge or decode packets of a wide number of protocols. Power of
> Scapy with the simplicity of Python makes it a killer combination ;)
> cPickle - well many of u might have used it ..
> pytables - havent used it much, but i liked it very much , may be someday
> some s/w, I would use it :)
> Pyrex - an easy way to write extension modules, helps a lot when u r writing
> system level code in python.
>
> Regards,
> Vimal
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Dorai Thodla
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:33:39 PM
> Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
>
> I came across an article a couple of days ago about extending Vim (Vim is
> Vi based editor) with python. It was really cool to compile a set of python
> functions and call them inside Python. I found it on
> http://programming.reddit.com/ which seems to have nice links to Python
> articles fairly frequently (reddit itself is a python app written in
> web.py).
>
> This example used BeautifulSoup parsing library.
>
>
> http://www.builderau.com.au/program/python/soa/Extending-Vim-with-Python/0,2000064084,339283181,00.htm
>
> Since I have not heard of BeautifulSoup before, I started looking into it.
> It is an amazingly simple and useful Python library for parsing HTML and
> XML.
> http://www.builderau.com.au/program/python/soa/Build-a-basic-Web-scraper-in-Python/0,2000064084,339281476,00.htm
>
> I was wondering whether we should have a thread where people share their
> favorite Python libraries and how they discovered it.
>
> --
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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 16:50:06 2007
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:20:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
In-Reply-To: <603b7e560710300803n79881ad5t7effaf3cb388626f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <740383.67466.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<603b7e560710300803n79881ad5t7effaf3cb388626f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c73a13a0710300850u6255d836rdde9f73d4d7be254@mail.gmail.com>
On 10/30/07, Dorai Thodla wrote:
> Lots of recommendations in the last couple of days. I added them all
> to del.icio.us with tags: bangpypers python
>
> http://del.icio.us/search/?user=bangpypers
Correction, http://del.icio.us/tag/bangpypers
--
http://nearfar.org/
From dorai at thodla.com Tue Oct 30 17:03:36 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:03:36 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0710300850u6255d836rdde9f73d4d7be254@mail.gmail.com>
References: <740383.67466.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
<603b7e560710300803n79881ad5t7effaf3cb388626f@mail.gmail.com>
<7c73a13a0710300850u6255d836rdde9f73d4d7be254@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <603b7e560710300903t66d8c7ddsa44ef12698097196@mail.gmail.com>
Sridhar,
Thanks.
On Oct 30, 2007 7:50 AM, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
> On 10/30/07, Dorai Thodla wrote:
> > Lots of recommendations in the last couple of days. I added them all
> > to del.icio.us with tags: bangpypers python
> >
> > http://del.icio.us/search/?user=bangpypers
>
> Correction, http://del.icio.us/tag/bangpypers
>
> --
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>
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From dorai at thodla.com Wed Oct 31 00:23:55 2007
From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:23:55 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Python interview questions
Message-ID: <603b7e560710301623g6414b19byb6b807cd042ef2d@mail.gmail.com>
We were recently discussing Python Certification. While this is not
directly related to the topic, I thought this list may find this
useful.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/176d944d5baa3358
--
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From zoltan.jose at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 04:24:55 2007
From: zoltan.jose at gmail.com (Timmy Jose)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:54:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List Moderation
In-Reply-To: <727912d50710300632n33d4bedj2d129e10746fc5e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30710300606p11088bdcsb6c8050dc6b05396@mail.gmail.com>
<727912d50710300614i4f882233l21cd9fcc386e750c@mail.gmail.com>
<8548c5f30710300623g4ff829d5wad5cef0bf3047b8c@mail.gmail.com>
<727912d50710300632n33d4bedj2d129e10746fc5e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Why not take the last three entries as moderators??? ;-))) ...
Hissing away to glory,
z0ltan.
On 10/30/07, Vinayak Mahadevan wrote:
> On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > Forgot to add that you should be ready to moderate if required
> > at 00.00 am.
> >
> > Jokes apart, please volunteer only if you have a net connection
> > at home. Sorry that I forgot to mention this.
> Goddam BSNL does not give broadband connections in Hosur :)
>
>
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From srsy70 at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 04:32:26 2007
From: srsy70 at gmail.com (S.Ramaswamy)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:02:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Your favorite Python libraries and frameworks
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30710300429i7a0ff125y26f3d50fa3b11e7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <603b7e560710280703y7220a597r9036efd9d822f65f@mail.gmail.com>
<472549CC.8050304@gmail.com>
<603b7e560710282335q2ac52242s207b44ab72d51d11@mail.gmail.com>
<8548c5f30710290703u7355d68bse2e8ee180c2756@mail.gmail.com>
<8548c5f30710300429i7a0ff125y26f3d50fa3b11e7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On 10/30/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>
> If you are interested in the source code let me know. I can send
> you the URL.
>
Awesome, pretty much the same approach (byte range). I couldn't agree
more on the need for a cross platform open source accelerator.
However, let's take this offline, since this is getting a bit
off-topic. I will mail you my code after I get back home.
Ramaswamy
From gnuyoga at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 04:54:40 2007
From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (gnuyoga)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:24:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let meet up !!!
Message-ID: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
hi folks,
It been a long time we had meet ( i think so ;-) ) ...
if couple of us are free why dont we meet up this saturday.
Agenda:
- looks like there are lots of new folks in the group, let catch up !
- couple of 10 minutes talk, what say ?
- if some one is ready to organize the space, we will have nice
coffee/tea and good day biscuitsss ;-)
hypen sree
[ Note: i actually like to use -sree ... but i saw some else in the
group also using -sree ]
--
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From zoltan.jose at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 06:49:15 2007
From: zoltan.jose at gmail.com (Timmy Jose)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:19:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let meet up !!!
In-Reply-To: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
References: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Reptilians,
I highly suggest having a regular meet in the likes of BarCamp for
this group. Though I have not had the good fortune of attending a
single Bangpypers meet, I am sure we could make it a bigger and more
formal procedure so that we can have fun and some solid work done as
well.... how does it sound?
Personally speaking, this saturday sounds a bit too impractical to me.
Would love to attend soon anyhow.
Regardsssssss,
z0ltan.
On 10/31/07, gnuyoga wrote:
> hi folks,
>
> It been a long time we had meet ( i think so ;-) ) ...
>
> if couple of us are free why dont we meet up this saturday.
>
> Agenda:
> - looks like there are lots of new folks in the group, let catch up !
> - couple of 10 minutes talk, what say ?
> - if some one is ready to organize the space, we will have nice
> coffee/tea and good day biscuitsss ;-)
>
>
>
> hypen sree
> [ Note: i actually like to use -sree ... but i saw some else in the
> group also using -sree ]
>
>
> --
> http://picasaweb.google.com/gnuyoga
>
> Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest the divine by controlling nature, internal or external. Do this by work or worship or psychic control or philosophy by one or more, or all of these and be free.
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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>
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From sree at mahiti.org Wed Oct 31 06:50:20 2007
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:20:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let meet up !!!
In-Reply-To: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
References: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <313529610710302250n55a0c8dck47f4b6c4ee05627@mail.gmail.com>
On 10/31/07, gnuyoga wrote:
>
> hi folks,
>
> It been a long time we had meet ( i think so ;-) ) ...
>
> if couple of us are free why dont we meet up this saturday.
>
> Agenda:
> - looks like there are lots of new folks in the group, let catch up !
> - couple of 10 minutes talk, what say ?
> - if some one is ready to organize the space, we will have nice
> coffee/tea and good day biscuitsss ;-)
I think we should have a BOF in FOSS.in
That looks very ideal meetup place as BangPypers will get more visibility.
- sree
--
Thanks and Regards,
- sree
Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
Excutive Director
Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
# 314/1, 2nd Floor, Vijaykiran Building
7th Cross, Domlur Layout,
Bangalore, India - 560071
Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1/2/3
Mobile: +91 98455 12611
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From jace at pobox.com Wed Oct 31 06:58:53 2007
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:28:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let meet up !!!
In-Reply-To:
References: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6778B25A-805B-486F-B0FF-8025B90E3C7F@pobox.com>
There is Barcamp Bangalore 5 on November 17 and 18. Collective
registration will open soon, likely by this evening.
--
Kiran Jonnalagadda
http://jace.seacrow.com/
On 31-Oct-07, at 11:19 AM, Timmy Jose wrote:
> Reptilians,
>
> I highly suggest having a regular meet in the likes of BarCamp for
> this group. Though I have not had the good fortune of attending a
> single Bangpypers meet, I am sure we could make it a bigger and more
> formal procedure so that we can have fun and some solid work done as
> well.... how does it sound?
>
> Personally speaking, this saturday sounds a bit too impractical to me.
> Would love to attend soon anyhow.
>
> Regardsssssss,
>
> z0ltan.
>
>
>
>
> On 10/31/07, gnuyoga wrote:
>> hi folks,
>>
>> It been a long time we had meet ( i think so ;-) ) ...
>>
>> if couple of us are free why dont we meet up this saturday.
>>
>> Agenda:
>> - looks like there are lots of new folks in the group, let catch up !
>> - couple of 10 minutes talk, what say ?
>> - if some one is ready to organize the space, we will have nice
>> coffee/tea and good day biscuitsss ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> hypen sree
>> [ Note: i actually like to use -sree ... but i saw some else in the
>> group also using -sree ]
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/gnuyoga
>>
>> Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest the
>> divine by controlling nature, internal or external. Do this by
>> work or worship or psychic control or philosophy by one or more,
>> or all of these and be free.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
> --
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From gnuyoga at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 07:00:30 2007
From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (gnuyoga)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:30:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let meet up !!!
In-Reply-To:
References: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <472819FE.9000501@gmail.com>
Timmy Jose wrote:
> Reptilians,
>
> I highly suggest having a regular meet in the likes of BarCamp for
> this group. Though I have not had the good fortune of attending a
> single Bangpypers meet, I am sure we could make it a bigger and more
> formal procedure so that we can have fun and some solid work done as
> well.... how does it sound?
>
> Personally speaking, this saturday sounds a bit too impractical to me.
> Would love to attend soon anyhow.
>
> Regardsssssss,
>
> z0ltan.
>
>
i think we are bunch on multi tasking individuals who have very less
time to participate anything unofficial ..... i my view we should just
be spontaneous ... the moment we make it a regular ... it becomes boring
;-)
hypen sree
--
http://picasaweb.google.com/gnuyoga
Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest the divine by controlling nature, internal or external. Do this by work or worship or psychic control or philosophy by one or more, or all of these and be free.
From gnuyoga at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 07:05:00 2007
From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (gnuyoga)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:35:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let meet up !!!
In-Reply-To: <313529610710302250n55a0c8dck47f4b6c4ee05627@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
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From dorait at imorph.com Wed Oct 31 06:55:54 2007
From: dorait at imorph.com (Dorai Thodla)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:55:54 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Let meet up !!!
In-Reply-To: <313529610710302250n55a0c8dck47f4b6c4ee05627@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
<313529610710302250n55a0c8dck47f4b6c4ee05627@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <603b7e560710302255m68a3b5f2k65a5f4e5407a0bff@mail.gmail.com>
Sreekanth,
Great idea.
Dorai
On Oct 30, 2007 10:50 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/31/07, gnuyoga wrote:
> > hi folks,
> >
> > It been a long time we had meet ( i think so ;-) ) ...
> >
> > if couple of us are free why dont we meet up this saturday.
> >
> > Agenda:
> > - looks like there are lots of new folks in the group, let catch up !
> > - couple of 10 minutes talk, what say ?
> > - if some one is ready to organize the space, we will have nice
> > coffee/tea and good day biscuitsss ;-)
>
> I think we should have a BOF in FOSS.in
> That looks very ideal meetup place as BangPypers will get more visibility.
> - sree
> --
> Thanks and Regards,
> - sree
>
> Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
> Excutive Director
> Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
> # 314/1, 2nd Floor, Vijaykiran Building
> 7th Cross, Domlur Layout,
> Bangalore, India - 560071
> Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1/2/3
> Mobile: +91 98455 12611
>
> www.mahiti.org
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
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Tracking Web Trends
From zoltan.jose at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 07:12:38 2007
From: zoltan.jose at gmail.com (Timmy Jose)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:42:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let meet up !!!
In-Reply-To: <472819FE.9000501@gmail.com>
References: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
<472819FE.9000501@gmail.com>
Message-ID:
I concur mostly... but my surmise is that participation becomes larger
when things are a bit more "planned" (in the likes of say, BarCamp),
at least in terms of the dates/location/organizers et al. Of course,
once assembled there, we can always indulge ourselves in spontaneity
:-) ... maybe that will take some more time.
Hissssssingly yours,
z0ltan.
On 10/31/07, gnuyoga wrote:
> Timmy Jose wrote:
> > Reptilians,
> >
> > I highly suggest having a regular meet in the likes of BarCamp for
> > this group. Though I have not had the good fortune of attending a
> > single Bangpypers meet, I am sure we could make it a bigger and more
> > formal procedure so that we can have fun and some solid work done as
> > well.... how does it sound?
> >
> > Personally speaking, this saturday sounds a bit too impractical to me.
> > Would love to attend soon anyhow.
> >
> > Regardsssssss,
> >
> > z0ltan.
> >
> >
> i think we are bunch on multi tasking individuals who have very less
> time to participate anything unofficial ..... i my view we should just
> be spontaneous ... the moment we make it a regular ... it becomes boring
> ;-)
>
>
> hypen sree
>
>
>
> --
> http://picasaweb.google.com/gnuyoga
>
> Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest the divine by controlling nature, internal or external. Do this by work or worship or psychic control or philosophy by one or more, or all of these and be free.
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
--
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From akashmahajan at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 08:28:31 2007
From: akashmahajan at gmail.com (Akash)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:58:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let meet up !!!
In-Reply-To:
References: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
<472819FE.9000501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <868b524f0710310028w1567f06eyc3cff27db3e8c056@mail.gmail.com>
On 10/31/07, Timmy Jose wrote:
> I concur mostly... but my surmise is that participation becomes larger
> when things are a bit more "planned" (in the likes of say, BarCamp),
> at least in terms of the dates/location/organizers et al. Of course,
> once assembled there, we can always indulge ourselves in spontaneity
> :-) ... maybe that will take some more time.
FYI
In the Barcamp Bangalore this time a "collective" will only get
resources* for 3 hours. Everything else will be in the corridors where
mattresses etc will be provided.
--
regards
akash
* Resources like rooms, projectors etc.
From zoltan.jose at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 09:02:07 2007
From: zoltan.jose at gmail.com (Timmy Jose)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:32:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let meet up !!!
In-Reply-To: <868b524f0710310028w1567f06eyc3cff27db3e8c056@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4727FC80.3070705@gmail.com>
<472819FE.9000501@gmail.com>
<868b524f0710310028w1567f06eyc3cff27db3e8c056@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Hmmm... actually that sounds a lot more fun ;-))) ...
On 10/31/07, Akash wrote:
> On 10/31/07, Timmy Jose wrote:
> > I concur mostly... but my surmise is that participation becomes larger
> > when things are a bit more "planned" (in the likes of say, BarCamp),
> > at least in terms of the dates/location/organizers et al. Of course,
> > once assembled there, we can always indulge ourselves in spontaneity
> > :-) ... maybe that will take some more time.
>
> FYI
> In the Barcamp Bangalore this time a "collective" will only get
> resources* for 3 hours. Everything else will be in the corridors where
> mattresses etc will be provided.
>
> --
> regards
> akash
>
> * Resources like rooms, projectors etc.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
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