From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Jul  2 17:41:55 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:41:55 -0700
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
Message-ID: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>

Howdy,

I exported python-logo-inkscape.svg to EPS and sent it to my printer.
They sent back a PDF with the shadow under the logo rather different from
the SVG:
http://pythoncraft.com/python_Banner_ai.pdf

I get the same result when I export to PS in Inkscape and run ps2pdf.
Should I care about this?  If yes, I'll need someone with more graphics
experience to help me.  (Yes, I know that supposedly Illustrator can
import the SVG directly, but my printer isn't familiar with that
functionality, so I need an AI, EPS, or PDF file.)

(I'm thinking that for a banner, having the shadow be more visible might
actually be better, but if I can get a proper shadow I'll use that to
maintain marketing consistency.)
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From mtobis at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 19:30:31 2009
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:30:31 -0500
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
In-Reply-To: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
References: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
Message-ID: <c3aa55550907021030l74f70f92o68c2c95f3a08c373@mail.gmail.com>

Ye gads, how I hate that logo. Rub it in, why don't you?
mt
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From goodger at python.org  Thu Jul  2 20:58:31 2009
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:58:31 -0400
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
In-Reply-To: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
References: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:41, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> I exported python-logo-inkscape.svg to EPS and sent it to my printer.
> They sent back a PDF with the shadow under the logo rather different from
> the SVG:
> http://pythoncraft.com/python_Banner_ai.pdf
>
> I get the same result when I export to PS in Inkscape and run ps2pdf.
> Should I care about this?

Yes. The shadow there looks horrible.

See the attached PDF, exported directly from Inkscape. The shadow
reproduces correctly for me.

>?If yes, I'll need someone with more graphics
> experience to help me. ?(Yes, I know that supposedly Illustrator can
> import the SVG directly, but my printer isn't familiar with that
> functionality, so I need an AI, EPS, or PDF file.)
>
> (I'm thinking that for a banner, having the shadow be more visible might
> actually be better, but if I can get a proper shadow I'll use that to
> maintain marketing consistency.)

If the shadow cannot be reproduced correctly, it would be better to
remove it altogether. The attached python-banner-noshadow.pdf file
omits the shadow.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>
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From goodger at python.org  Thu Jul  2 20:58:40 2009
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:58:40 -0400
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
In-Reply-To: <c3aa55550907021030l74f70f92o68c2c95f3a08c373@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
	<c3aa55550907021030l74f70f92o68c2c95f3a08c373@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4335d2c40907021158g2938749ev85bd673d0602c62a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 13:30, Michael Tobis<mtobis at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ye gads, how I hate that logo. Rub it in, why don't you?

That's not helping at all.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From mtobis at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 21:13:43 2009
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:13:43 -0500
Subject: [python-advocacy] logo
Message-ID: <c3aa55550907021213k5e6f25c4q53efc933d7fdf885@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:58 PM, David Goodger <goodger at python.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 13:30, Michael Tobis<mtobis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ye gads, how I hate that logo. Rub it in, why don't you?
>
> That's not helping at all.
>

Not helping Aahz with the immediate problem, admittedly.

I don't want to come off as a crank but it remains a seriously
ill-considered logo. I will shut up about it unless someone else chimes in.

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From sdeibel at wingware.com  Thu Jul  2 21:38:56 2009
From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:38:56 -0400
Subject: [python-advocacy] logo
In-Reply-To: <c3aa55550907021213k5e6f25c4q53efc933d7fdf885@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c3aa55550907021213k5e6f25c4q53efc933d7fdf885@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A4D0CD0.1010101@wingware.com>

Michael Tobis wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:58 PM, David Goodger <goodger at python.org 
> <mailto:goodger at python.org>> wrote:
> 
>     On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 13:30, Michael Tobis<mtobis at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mtobis at gmail.com>> wrote:
>      > Ye gads, how I hate that logo. Rub it in, why don't you?
> 
>     That's not helping at all.
> 
> 
> Not helping Aahz with the immediate problem, admittedly. 
>  
> I don't want to come off as a crank but it remains a seriously 
> ill-considered logo. I will shut up about it unless someone else chimes in.

There was a very long and painful process, the details of which I seem
to have largely repressed by now (*), that led to the selection of this logo.
This was many years ago now and this logo is widely used and accepted, so
I think it's a bit late to change now.

More generally, I think complaining w/o specifics is never useful in this
sort of context.  So please be specific about what is wrong with it
if you feel that might be useful in any future evolution of the logo.

- Stephan

(*) I vaguely remember a lot of complaining, followed by a bunch of
community contributions some of which were decent and some, well,
weren't; then more complaining and heated discussion, followed by
ominously quiet periods and more complaining.  Finally the PSF board
got involved and paid someone to create this logo.  Or something like
that.  Oh, yea, I think the process also involved Guido getting really
fed up at some point, which is how the PSF board got the job.


From mtobis at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 21:47:04 2009
From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:47:04 -0500
Subject: [python-advocacy] logo
In-Reply-To: <4A4D0CD0.1010101@wingware.com>
References: <c3aa55550907021213k5e6f25c4q53efc933d7fdf885@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A4D0CD0.1010101@wingware.com>
Message-ID: <c3aa55550907021247y361cebd7n64dba848cfecebc3@mail.gmail.com>

I am wondering what the half-life of people being really fed up is.
This obviously has bike-shed aspects, but I can't escape the conclusion that
the logo has very little resonance with Python as a tool or a community.

I am getting "still fed up" signals so far. I need more encouragement before
carrying on further. Most likely I will go back into hibernation on this and
poke at it again in a couple more years.

mt
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From goodger at python.org  Thu Jul  2 21:56:52 2009
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:56:52 -0400
Subject: [python-advocacy] logo
In-Reply-To: <c3aa55550907021247y361cebd7n64dba848cfecebc3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c3aa55550907021213k5e6f25c4q53efc933d7fdf885@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A4D0CD0.1010101@wingware.com>
	<c3aa55550907021247y361cebd7n64dba848cfecebc3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4335d2c40907021256t5df7f1ednf0dabffc90a30b2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 15:47, Michael Tobis<mtobis at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am wondering what the half-life of people being really fed up is.
> This obviously has bike-shed aspects, but I can't escape the conclusion that
> the logo has very little resonance with Python as a tool or a community.
>
> I am getting "still fed up" signals so far. I need more encouragement before
> carrying on further. Most likely I will go back into hibernation on this and
> poke at it again in a couple more years.

You don't like the logo, for unspecified reasons. Fine. So?

Right now you're coming off as a troll. You'll get no encouragement
from me or, I suspect, anyone.

Hibernation is a good option IMO.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From goodger at python.org  Thu Jul  2 22:20:01 2009
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:20:01 -0400
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
In-Reply-To: <4A4D0D55.3020108@snaplogic.com>
References: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
	<4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A4D0D55.3020108@snaplogic.com>
Message-ID: <4335d2c40907021320w4a9489f1y48f34203d44c9cc7@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 15:41, Michael Pittaro<mikeyp at snaplogic.com> wrote:
> I opened the master Photoshop psd with the Gimp, and exported it to eps. ?The resulting
> file opens and converts to a reasonable pdf with OS X preview , so try the attached eps file.

Thanks for the effort Mike, but unfortunately the Photoshop .psd file
is a raster/bitmap file, and at the scale of a banner it would be far
too blocky. Aahz, I recommend not using these files.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jul  3 01:26:08 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:26:08 -0700
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
	<4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090702232608.GA14134@panix.com>

On Thu, Jul 02, 2009, David Goodger wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:41, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> I exported python-logo-inkscape.svg to EPS and sent it to my printer.
>> They sent back a PDF with the shadow under the logo rather different from
>> the SVG:
>> http://pythoncraft.com/python_Banner_ai.pdf
>>
>> I get the same result when I export to PS in Inkscape and run ps2pdf.
>> Should I care about this?
> 
> Yes. The shadow there looks horrible.
> 
> See the attached PDF, exported directly from Inkscape. The shadow
> reproduces correctly for me.

Interesting.  I previously tried that on my own machine, and I get the
same result I see with your python-banner.pdf, the shadow doesn't show
(both with xpdf and acroread 5 on Ubuntu).  What software are you using
that displays the shadow?
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From goodger at python.org  Fri Jul  3 16:31:46 2009
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:31:46 -0400
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
In-Reply-To: <20090702232608.GA14134@panix.com>
References: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
	<4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090702232608.GA14134@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4335d2c40907030731g71222c51m336f954abc7054d2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 19:26, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 02, 2009, David Goodger wrote:
>> See the attached PDF, exported directly from Inkscape. The shadow
>> reproduces correctly for me.
>
> Interesting. ?I previously tried that on my own machine, and I get the
> same result I see with your python-banner.pdf, the shadow doesn't show
> (both with xpdf and acroread 5 on Ubuntu). ?What software are you using
> that displays the shadow?

On OS X, Preview and Acrobat Reader both show the shadow correctly.
It's very subtle though. It's a gradation between nothing at the edges
and a very light grey in the center. If your display isn't set
properly (e.g. if the brightness or contrast are too low) you may not
even notice it.

But the shadow is really not important, and it's not intrinsic to the
logo. Feel free to use the -noshadow version I sent.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jul  8 16:03:53 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:03:53 -0700
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
	<4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090708140353.GA12214@panix.com>

On Thu, Jul 02, 2009, David Goodger wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:41, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> I exported python-logo-inkscape.svg to EPS and sent it to my printer.
>> They sent back a PDF with the shadow under the logo rather different from
>> the SVG:
>> http://pythoncraft.com/python_Banner_ai.pdf
>>
>> I get the same result when I export to PS in Inkscape and run ps2pdf.
>> Should I care about this?
> 
> Yes. The shadow there looks horrible.
> 
> See the attached PDF, exported directly from Inkscape. The shadow
> reproduces correctly for me.

The printer was also unable to get the drop shadow to work on import into
Illustrator.  I'm having them print without the shadow, but I think we
need to resolve this, because it's probably going to come up again.  Is
this the best list for discussing the issue?  I think we need to either
publicize no-shadow logos for printing or figure out why the vector
export from Inkscape isn't working in Illustrator (and doesn't show up in
xpdf or Acrobat).
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"as long as we like the same operating system, things are cool." --piranha

From goodger at python.org  Wed Jul  8 16:45:07 2009
From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:45:07 -0400
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
In-Reply-To: <20090708140353.GA12214@panix.com>
References: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
	<4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090708140353.GA12214@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4335d2c40907080745q104f21cfk76682465e64c4ea2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:03, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> The printer was also unable to get the drop shadow to work on import into
> Illustrator. ?I'm having them print without the shadow,

That's fine.

> but I think we
> need to resolve this, because it's probably going to come up again. ?Is
> this the best list for discussing the issue?

Perhaps mention the results to psf-members, since it's a PSF-owned logo.

>?I think we need to either
> publicize no-shadow logos for printing or figure out why the vector
> export from Inkscape isn't working in Illustrator (and doesn't show up in
> xpdf or Acrobat).

The shadow in python-banner.pdf (attachment to my July 2 message) does
show up in Acrobat on my machine (OS X). The shadow is so subtle that
it may be hard to notice.

But converting between graphics formats often has issues. I don't know
if there's a good solution. I encourage anybody who has Illustrator (I
don't) to try things out.

Including no-shadow versions on the logo page is easy to do. I'll add
it to my to-do list.

-- 
David Goodger <http://python.net/~goodger>

From mikeyp at snaplogic.com  Thu Jul  2 21:41:09 2009
From: mikeyp at snaplogic.com (Michael Pittaro)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:41:09 -0700
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
In-Reply-To: <4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>
	<4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A4D0D55.3020108@snaplogic.com>

David Goodger wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:41, Aahz<aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>> I exported python-logo-inkscape.svg to EPS and sent it to my printer.
>> They sent back a PDF with the shadow under the logo rather different from
>> the SVG:
>> http://pythoncraft.com/python_Banner_ai.pdf
>>
>> I get the same result when I export to PS in Inkscape and run ps2pdf.
>> Should I care about this?
> 
> Yes. The shadow there looks horrible.
> 
> See the attached PDF, exported directly from Inkscape. The shadow
> reproduces correctly for me.
> 
>>  If yes, I'll need someone with more graphics
>> experience to help me.  (Yes, I know that supposedly Illustrator can
>> import the SVG directly, but my printer isn't familiar with that
>> functionality, so I need an AI, EPS, or PDF file.)

I opened the master Photoshop psd with the Gimp, and exported it to eps.  The resulting
file opens and converts to a reasonable pdf with OS X preview , so try the attached eps file.

mike

-- 
Mike Pittaro
Co-Founder                      Snaplogic, Inc.
mikeyp at snaplogic.com            http://www.snaplogic.com
SnapLogic was named a Cool Vendor in Data Integration for 2009
http://tinyurl.com/snaplogic-is-cool

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From sdeibel at python.org  Wed Jul  8 16:20:09 2009
From: sdeibel at python.org (Stephan Deibel (PSF))
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:20:09 -0400
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python banner glitch
In-Reply-To: <20090708140353.GA12214@panix.com>
References: <20090702154155.GA6624@panix.com>	<4335d2c40907021158q7b62158aqb996b5140f354152@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090708140353.GA12214@panix.com>
Message-ID: <4A54AB19.8010709@python.org>

Aahz wrote:
> The printer was also unable to get the drop shadow to work on import into
> Illustrator.  I'm having them print without the shadow, but I think we
> need to resolve this, because it's probably going to come up again.  Is
> this the best list for discussing the issue?  I think we need to either
> publicize no-shadow logos for printing or figure out why the vector
> export from Inkscape isn't working in Illustrator (and doesn't show up in
> xpdf or Acrobat).

Don't know about which list to discuss on, but I've also run into various
problems w/ gradients when using Inkscape to produce things.  It is not
exporting them correctly, it seems.  I tried the latest Inkscape some months
ago and also had the problem.  May be worth trying the latest prerelease
if you haven't already and/or checking their bug database.

The easiest solution may just be to redo this in Illustrator and export
from there.

- Stephan

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Jul 27 03:32:17 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:32:17 -0700
Subject: [python-advocacy] OSCON: preliminary report
Message-ID: <20090727013217.GA21411@panix.com>

Howdy,

I'm starting my new job tomorrow, and I don't know when I'll have a
chance to make a final report about the Python booth at OSCON.  So this
is the short version.

First I thank the other volunteers who helped staff the booth:

Brent Tubbs
Edward Cherlin
Casey Duncan
Anna Martelli Ravenscroft

Edward deserves a special mention for bringing a couple of his laptops,
including an OLPC XO.  They got a lot of attention.

It's hard to say whether the booth was a success on any kind of absolute
scale, but we seemed to get about as much traffic as most of the other
free booths.  I'm glad I chose to make a large three foot by six foot
banner (it was visible from the front door of the exhibit hall).  We got
a fair number of people who had never used Python asking questions; we
also got some people who were Python newbies wanting advice on improving
their knowledge and even some long-term Python users looking for expert
advice.

Overall, I think it was a good use of the PSF's money.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Many customs in this life persist because they ease friction and promote
productivity as a result of universal agreement, and whether they are
precisely the optimal choices is much less important." --Henry Spencer

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Jul 27 14:25:53 2009
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:25:53 -0700
Subject: [python-advocacy] OSCON: preliminary report
In-Reply-To: <20090727013217.GA21411@panix.com>
References: <20090727013217.GA21411@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20090727122553.GB13476@panix.com>

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009, Aahz wrote:
>
> First I thank the other volunteers who helped staff the booth:
> 
> Brent Tubbs
> Edward Cherlin
> Casey Duncan
> Anna Martelli Ravenscroft

In my haste to send this off, I forgot to thank one other person:

Shannon -jj Behrens
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Many customs in this life persist because they ease friction and promote
productivity as a result of universal agreement, and whether they are
precisely the optimal choices is much less important." --Henry Spencer

From tpollari at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 17:46:15 2009
From: tpollari at gmail.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:46:15 -0500
Subject: [python-advocacy] Stack Overflow's Dev Days Looking For Python
	Speakers
Message-ID: <8581978C-7FB1-48E3-906F-BA36B15627C1@gmail.com>

Anyone interested in representing Python or at least in pointing Joel  
Spolsky in a good direction?

 From the transcript of the Stack Overflow Podcast at:  https://stackoverflow.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W29071 
  :

"""Spolsky:  I have a request of our listeners if you're listening to  
this show. We're trying to organize these stack overflow dev days and  
I've found alot of good speakers on alot of good topics but what I  
really want is some Python speakers. People to do a python tutorial in  
each of the ten cities and I don't have any Python speakers lined up  
at all and I don't really know who the good Python teachers and Python  
tutors are. So if you've ever gotten a Python tutorial in person or  
you've heard somebody speaking on Python who you thought was  
absolutely brilliant and fun to listen to and taught you alot in an  
hour. Which is what we want to happen at the stack overflow dev days.  
Could you please tell me who they are? and what their name is and even  
where they live? and do that by emailing that todevdays at stackoverflow.com 
  which is our standard dev days address for any kind of dev days  
question about dev days."""



From tpollari at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 17:55:20 2009
From: tpollari at gmail.com (Ted Pollari)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:55:20 -0500
Subject: [python-advocacy] [PSF-Members] Stack Overflow's Dev Days
	Looking For Python Speakers
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On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Cameron Laird wrote:
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> "...   todevdays at stackoverflow.com
>    SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT
>    TO:<todevdays at stackoverflow.com>:
> 	host aspmx.l.google.com [209.85.210.69]: 550-5.1.1 The email  
> account that
> 	you tried to reach does not exist. ..."


My apologies for a shoddy copy/paste job -- the email address is devdays at stackoverflow.com

-ted


From Cameron at phaseit.net  Fri Jul 31 18:06:39 2009
From: Cameron at phaseit.net (Cameron Laird)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:06:39 +0000
Subject: [python-advocacy] [PSF-Members] Stack Overflow's Dev Days
	Looking For Python Speakers
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	<20090731155339.GA3807@lairds.us>
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On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:55:20AM -0500, Ted Pollari wrote:
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> >
> >"...   todevdays at stackoverflow.com
> >   SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT
> >   TO:<todevdays at stackoverflow.com>:
> >	host aspmx.l.google.com [209.85.210.69]: 550-5.1.1 The email  
> >account that
> >	you tried to reach does not exist. ..."
> 
> 
> My apologies for a shoddy copy/paste job -- the email address is 
> devdays at stackoverflow.com
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Yes and no:  Ted, I didn't intend ANY criticism, and certainly
didn't regard your notice as touched by shoddiness at all.  I
just wanted to minimize everyone's confusion by getting the word
out quickly that there was a problem.  It's hard for me to accept
your apology, as I think it's disproportionate.  Please do re-
ceive my thanks, though, for reporting your observation, and
swiftly updating it.

I've written Stack Overflow already.

From Cameron at phaseit.net  Fri Jul 31 17:53:39 2009
From: Cameron at phaseit.net (Cameron Laird)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:53:39 +0000
Subject: [python-advocacy] [PSF-Members] Stack Overflow's Dev Days
	Looking For Python Speakers
In-Reply-To: <8581978C-7FB1-48E3-906F-BA36B15627C1@gmail.com>
References: <8581978C-7FB1-48E3-906F-BA36B15627C1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090731155339.GA3807@lairds.us>

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:46:15AM -0500, Ted Pollari wrote:
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> Anyone interested in representing Python or at least in pointing Joel  
> Spolsky in a good direction?
> 
> From the transcript of the Stack Overflow Podcast at:  
> https://stackoverflow.fogbugz.com/default.asp?W29071 :
> 
> """Spolsky:  I have a request of our listeners if you're listening to  
> this show. We're trying to organize these stack overflow dev days and  
> I've found alot of good speakers on alot of good topics but what I  
> really want is some Python speakers. People to do a python tutorial in  
> each of the ten cities and I don't have any Python speakers lined up  
> at all and I don't really know who the good Python teachers and Python  
> tutors are. So if you've ever gotten a Python tutorial in person or  
> you've heard somebody speaking on Python who you thought was  
> absolutely brilliant and fun to listen to and taught you alot in an  
> hour. Which is what we want to happen at the stack overflow dev days.  
> Could you please tell me who they are? and what their name is and even  
> where they live? and do that by emailing that todevdays at stackoverflow.com 
>  which is our standard dev days address for any kind of dev days  
> question about dev days."""

"...   todevdays at stackoverflow.com
    SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT
    TO:<todevdays at stackoverflow.com>:
	host aspmx.l.google.com [209.85.210.69]: 550-5.1.1 The email account that
	you tried to reach does not exist. ..."