From rodsenra at gpr.com.br  Wed Dec  1 12:05:47 2004
From: rodsenra at gpr.com.br (Rodrigo Dias Arruda Senra)
Date: Wed Dec  1 12:05:50 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] PyXML 0.8.4 released
In-Reply-To: <41ACE508.3030009@v.loewis.de>
References: <41ACE508.3030009@v.loewis.de>
Message-ID: <20041201090547.00004444@Fenix>

[ "Martin v. L?wis" <martin@v.loewis.de> ]:
--------------------------------------------------------
> Version 0.8.4 of the Python/XML distribution is now available. 

Excellent.
 
> It should be considered a beta release, and can be downloaded from the
> following URLs:
> 
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyxml/PyXML-0.8.4.tar.gz
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyxml/PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.2.exe
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyxml/PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.3.exe
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyxml/PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.3.exe
> 
> Changes in this version, compared to 0.8.3:
> 
>    * bump version number to 0.8.4, as Python 2.4 requires that
>      as the minimum PyXML version.

Martin,
 the absence of a PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.4.exe is due to its beta nature ?
 I suppose that PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.3.exe can be used with 2.4, right ?

best regards,
Senra
From rodsenra at gpr.com.br  Wed Dec  1 12:20:32 2004
From: rodsenra at gpr.com.br (Rodrigo Dias Arruda Senra)
Date: Wed Dec  1 12:20:30 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] PyXML 0.8.4 released
In-Reply-To: <20041201090547.00004444@Fenix>
References: <41ACE508.3030009@v.loewis.de>
	<20041201090547.00004444@Fenix>
Message-ID: <20041201092032.00005686@Fenix>

[ Rodrigo Dias Arruda Senra <rodsenra@gpr.com.br> ]:
--------------------------------------------------------
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyxml/PyXML-0.8.4.tar.gz
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyxml/PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.2.exe
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyxml/PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.3.exe
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyxml/PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.3.exe
> 
> Martin,
>  the absence of a PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.4.exe is due to its beta nature ?

Answering my own dumb question, by try-and-no-error, the link below
exists. It was only absent from the previous e-mail.

> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyxml/PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.4.exe

>  I suppose that PyXML-0.8.4.win32-py2.3.exe can be used with 2.4, right ?

In the light of recent news, I suppose not. <wink>

best regards,
Senra
From disen at geo.unizh.ch  Wed Dec  1 19:06:15 2004
From: disen at geo.unizh.ch (Daniel Isenegger)
Date: Wed Dec  1 19:07:43 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] cannot change xmlns:xsi
Message-ID: <41AE0817.3000706@geo.unizh.ch>

Hi there,
i try to generate GML3-files from GML2-files (GML: Geography Markup 
Language) using  PyXML(minidom). I do the validation in XMLSPY.
My problem is that there seem to be some default values that i cannot 
override:

the schema:
<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><xs:schema 
xmlns:gml='http://www.opengis.net/gml' 
xmlns:xs='http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema'
xmlns:ogr='http://gdal.velocet.ca/ogr'
targetNamespace='http://gdal.velocet.ca/ogr'
elementFormDefault='qualified' version='1.0'>
.....


the instance file:
<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?>
<ogr:FeatureCollection xmlns:gml='http://www.opengis.net/gml' 
xmlns:xsi='http://www.w3c.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance'
xmlns:ogr='http://ogr.maptools.org/'
xmlns='http://gdal.velocet.ca/ogr'
xsi:schemaLocation='http://gdal.velocet.ca/ogr defol50.xsd'>

here in the instance file i cannot set the attribute
xmlns:xsi to 'http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance'
(note: the urn is ...w3... and not ...w3c...)


using minidom
    nodelist = self.dom.getElementsByTagName("ogr:FeatureCollection")
    if nodelist:
    
node.setAttribute("xmlns:xsi","http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance")


the attribute is temporally set to ...w3... and then reset to ..w3c...

Is there a default-value i cannot override?
Or did i get the whole thing wrong??

Thanks Dani







From dieter at handshake.de  Wed Dec  1 20:04:24 2004
From: dieter at handshake.de (Dieter Maurer)
Date: Wed Dec  1 20:35:42 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Python Web Services and .NET - will it ever work
In-Reply-To: <coi7ph$b6c$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <coi7ph$b6c$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <16814.5560.549106.385434@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

Richard Kessler wrote at 2004-11-30 08:39 -0800:
>Apologies if this is the wrong new group, but I have been STRUGGLING to get
>either SOAPpy or ZSI to successfully consume .NET web services and it just
>will not work. I have read a few items on the the net regarding problems
>others have had. I very much want to use Plone and a Python web service
>client to consume web services from my backend (Microsoft .NET) but if the
>two wont talk, I am out of luck.

There was a thread on "comp.lang.python" which discussed a similar
problem. I had the impression that the poster could solve its problem...

-- 
Dieter
From and-xml at doxdesk.com  Thu Dec  2 16:35:47 2004
From: and-xml at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover)
Date: Thu Dec  2 16:35:37 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] cannot change xmlns:xsi
In-Reply-To: <41AE0817.3000706@geo.unizh.ch>
References: <41AE0817.3000706@geo.unizh.ch>
Message-ID: <41AF3653.70403@doxdesk.com>

Daniel Isenegger <disen@geo.unizh.ch> wrote:

> node.setAttribute("xmlns:xsi","http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance")

setAttribute is a Level 1 method and thus namespace-ignorant. The above 
should probably work as long as there is already an xmlns:xsi attribute 
on 'node', but if there isn't it'll create a new one as a Level 1 node, 
without a namespace. This is just one of the many problems when mixing 
namespace-aware and namespace-ignorant methods. Really you want:

   XMLNS= 'http://www.w3.org/2000/xmlns/'
   XSINS= 'http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance'
   node.setAttributeNS(XMLNS, 'xmlns:xsi', XSINS)

However...

In DOM Level 2, the namespaceURI of an Element or Attr is considered 
part of its identity, not dynamically recalculated. So, given:

   <a xmlns:q="spam">
     <q:b/>
   </a>

you can change the value of the xmlns:q attribute to 'eggs', but the 
namespaceURI of the q:b element is still 'spam'.

Quite what DOM Level 2 implementations are supposed to do with the 
problem during output of the document is unspecified, as DOM Level 2 
says nothing about IO.

But DOM Level 3 LS does. It uses "namespace fixup" to ensure all 
namespaceURIs survive the output process. You would end up with:

   <a xmlns:q="eggs">
     <q:b xmlns:q="spam"/>
   </a>

Therefore correcting the value of the namespace declaration on the root 
element won't help much; all its descendants would still have the wrong 
('...w3c...') namespace. You would have to walk over the whole document 
tree using DOM Level 3's Document.renameNode method to change all their 
namespaces.

The alternative would be to use a completely namespace-ignorant DOM 
implementation. For a DOM Level 3 implemenation you can request this by 
setting the domConfig parameter 'namespaces' to False.

However (again)...

> the attribute is temporally set to ...w3... and then reset to ..w3c...

Having said all that... minidom is not a DOM Level 3 implementation. It 
doesn't do namespace fixup at all. Its toxml() method just outputs 
attributes as they are, so it shouldn't be putting the '...w3c...' 
namespace in anywhere.

So it must be some other tool or part of the program that is having this 
effect.

-- 
Andrew Clover
mailto:and@doxdesk.com
http://www.doxdesk.com/
From richard.kessler at matteicos.com  Fri Dec  3 18:47:40 2004
From: richard.kessler at matteicos.com (Richard Kessler)
Date: Fri Dec  3 18:48:52 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Re: Python Web Services and .NET - will it ever work
References: <coi7ph$b6c$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <coq8tt$jan$1@sea.gmane.org>

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions  - I got it to work by do this:

I used SOAPpy's WSDL module. By simply creating a proxy using the WSDL from
my .NET service, everything started working. Amazing!
I did have to decorate my .NET class with
[SoapDocumentService (Use=SoapBindingUse.Encoded )].

Thanks again for your responses.

Richard

"Richard Kessler" <richard.kessler@matteicos.com> wrote in message
news:coi7ph$b6c$1@sea.gmane.org...
> Apologies if this is the wrong new group, but I have been STRUGGLING to
get
> either SOAPpy or ZSI to successfully consume .NET web services and it just
> will not work. I have read a few items on the the net regarding problems
> others have had. I very much want to use Plone and a Python web service
> client to consume web services from my backend (Microsoft .NET) but if the
> two wont talk, I am out of luck.
>
> Does anyone out there have suggestions, know of successful projects where
> Python consumes .NET web services or have any idea where some thorough
> documentation on how to get this to work may exist.
>
> Thanks very much in advance,
>
> Richard Kessler
> richard.kessler@matteicos.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> XML-SIG maillist  -  XML-SIG@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/xml-sig
>



From fredrik at pythonware.com  Sun Dec  5 14:34:27 2004
From: fredrik at pythonware.com (Fredrik Lundh)
Date: Sun Dec  5 14:32:14 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] ANN: ElementTree 1.2.2 (december 5, 2004)
Message-ID: <cov2kp$62m$1@sea.gmane.org>

The Element type is a simple but flexible container object, designed
to store hierarchical data structures, such as simplified XML infosets,
in memory.  The ElementTree package provides a Python implementation
of this type, plus code to serialize element trees to and from XML files.

ElementTree 1.2.2 is 1.2.1 plus an improved version of the HTML parser,
backported from the 1.3 development branch.  The new parser supports
arbitrary character data encodings, and properly handles documents that
mix non-ASCII character data with non-ASCII character references and
entities.

You can get the ElementTree package from:

    http://effbot.org/downloads

Documentation, code samples, and points to articles about the Element-
Tree package are available from:

    http://effbot.org/zone/element.htm

enjoy /F




From knight at baldmt.com  Sun Dec  5 21:34:19 2004
From: knight at baldmt.com (Steven Knight)
Date: Sun Dec  5 21:29:12 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] ignoring "Undeclared entity" errors?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412051727300.32308-100000@casablanca.home.baldmt.com>

Here's the problem I'm trying to solve:

I want to assemble fragments of XML documentation that I intend to
scatter throughout my Python modules.  The fragments will use custom tags
describing the content they're documenting.  I'm planning to preprocess
these custom tags into the right format for the output I'm generating
(DocBook, nroff, etc.).

I would like the text fragments to be able to contain entities that can
be passed through or preprocessed.  These entities *will* be declared
when I process the fully-assumbled documentation, but are not declared
for each individual fragment.  When I try to process an individual
fragment without the declarations, I of course get "Undeclared entity"
fatal errors for these entities, which terminates parsing of the fragment.

Defining an ErrorHandler.fatalError() method lets me detect the
"Undeclared entity" error, but doesn't change the fact that the parsing
terminates.

Having to declare a DTD just to be able to perform some specific
preprocessing on an otherwise well-formed fragment of XML feels way
too heavyweight to me.  I'm almost at the point of filtering all of
the &entity; uses in my text so they don't look like entities and then
restoring them, just to not have to jump through the parser's hoops,
but that feels like cheating.

Am I just going about this the wrong way?  Is there some easier way
io just be able to preprocess some XML-formatted data without having
to worry about a declaring a DTD?  Or to tell the parser that I'm not
concerned about the entities in my fragment?

        --SK

From Uche.Ogbuji at fourthought.com  Sun Dec  5 23:13:21 2004
From: Uche.Ogbuji at fourthought.com (Uche Ogbuji)
Date: Sun Dec  5 23:13:26 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] PyXML, 4suite, libxml2... what should I choose?
In-Reply-To: <200411291934.44488.frans.englich@telia.com>
References: <200411291934.44488.frans.englich@telia.com>
Message-ID: <1102284801.27542.29.camel@borgia>

On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 19:34 +0000, Frans Englich wrote:
> I need some guidance for the various XML implementations.

Well, at the minimum you'll get argument :-)

> In my project I use the Python DOM classes for instantiations of my XML data, 
> and I need XPath functionality,

4Suite has an XPath implementation that is very easy to use and makes
extending XPath with functions implemented in Python very simple.

http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/akara/nodes/2003-01-01/basic-xpath

> WXS validation,

4Suite does not support WXS.  Advantage libxml2 here.  Then again, if
you have a choice in the matter you really should consider using RELAX
NG instead, which is superior to WXS and is supported by 4Suite.

> and XSLT processing.

4Suite's XSLT processor is also easy to use and extend.

http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/akara/nodes/2003-01-01/basic-xslt

> Currently, I pipe out my structures to libxml2/libxslt's xmllint/xsltproc for 
> doing validation, and XSLT processing. libxml2 is capable, but the solution 
> is ugly, and slow(de-serialization/serialization). In addition, I lack XPath 
> functionality. I have no intentions to skip Python's XML structures, and use 
> for example libxml2's.

Out of curiousity, by "Python's XML structures" do you mean minidom?  If
so, what motivates this reservation?  I should add the disclaimer that
4Suitee's XPath and XSLT features require Domlette rather than minidom.
Domlette is very similar to minidom (much more so than libxml2's DOM-
like structures).  Domlette is also IMO as pythonic as you can get and
still be DOM-like (more Pythonic and you're into the territory of
ElementTree and data bindings such as Anobind, GenerateDS and Gnosis
Objectify).

> So, my plan is to get XPath somewhere, and perhaps be able to substitute 
> libxml2 for something more Pythonic while I'm at it.

You should at least give 4Suite a try if this is your bottom line.

> From what I can tell, there is three major packages to keep an eye on: 1) 
> standard Python; 2) PyXML; 3) 4suite. Let me see if I got this straight:
> 
> * Python have _no_ XPath implementation (right?)

Right.

> * PyXML install an XPath implementation(written by fourthought) into Python's 
> package xml(xml.xpath). Is it version 1.0? Is it robust and stable?

It's pretty robust and stable.  It is based on very old code from
4Suite's XPath and the latter has been optimized a great deal and has
added a lot of useful features.

> * PyXML has xml.xslt; not an option since it's not stable/production quality, 
> according to the docs -- or what is its status? How much "experimental" is 
> it?

Basing XSLT on plain DOM is a bit tricky, which is why in 4Suite we've
settled on Domlette-only.  It will take a lot of work to get Python's
xml.xslt compliant and efficient while still using plain old minidom.
Again, it's based on old code from 4Suite which has been much optimized
and otherwise improved since then.

> * 4suite has XPath(another implementation written by fourthought..?) and 
> robust xslt.

It's a much newer version of the XSLT in PyXML.

> * Neither PyXML nor 4suite has a W3C XML Schema stack, so I'll have to look 
> elsewhere; one alternative is XSV but it brings in addition a dependency on 
> PyLTXML. Looks like continuing to pipe to libxml2's xmllint(or link) is still 
> the best alternative.

I suppose another option is to use Trang to convert WXS to RELAX NG and
then use XVIF or 4Suite.

> What is the best option(s) for me? With my interest of keeping the 
> dependencies down, should I go for PyXML-XPath + PyXML-XSLT _if_ it's good 
> enough or libxslt + libxml2-WXS? I could use 4suite's XSLT, but since I 
> nevertheless will have a dependency on libxml2/libxslt for WXS I can use 
> that(and eat the speed penalty).
> Important is it has a future(maintained..) and is stable/trustable.
> 
> What should I go for, and what have I missed?
> 
> BTW, is there any plans to merge any XSLT/XPath stack into vanilla Python? 
> (when?) It's functionality often needed, AFAICT.

XPath is a little language, and XSLT a not-so-little one, so I'd expect
they're too much to stuff into core Pylib, even with the "batteries
included" philosophy.  Add to that the fact that something a bit richer
than minidom would be needed for the data model (if the implementation
is to be at all efficient) and I'd say it's a stretch.

> Yes, I'm new on the Python & XML front..

Welcome.


-- 
Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net    http://4Suite.org    http://fourthought.com
Use CSS to display XML - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/x-dw-x-xmlcss-i.html
Location, Location, Location - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/11/24/py-xml.html
The State of Python-XML in 2004 - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/10/13/py-xml.html
Be humble, not imperial (in design) - http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=10286
XMLOpen and more XML Hacks - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think27.html
A survey of XML standards - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-stand4/

From Uche.Ogbuji at fourthought.com  Sun Dec  5 23:20:47 2004
From: Uche.Ogbuji at fourthought.com (Uche Ogbuji)
Date: Sun Dec  5 23:20:51 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Re: PyXML, 4suite, libxml2... what should I choose?
In-Reply-To: <200411292206.16892.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <200411292206.16892.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1102285247.27542.37.camel@borgia>

On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 22:06 +0100, Paul Boddie wrote:
> Frans Englich wrote:
> >
> > Currently, I pipe out my structures to libxml2/libxslt's xmllint/xsltproc
> > for doing validation, and XSLT processing. libxml2 is capable, but the
> > solution is ugly, and slow(de-serialization/serialization). In addition, I
> > lack XPath functionality. I have no intentions to skip Python's XML
> > structures, and use for example libxml2's.
> 
> Although it was written to meet my own simple needs, I suggest you take a look 
> at libxml2dom:
> 
> http://www.python.org/pypi?:action=display&name=libxml2dom
> 
> It should be possible to feed DOM nodes from libxml2dom into PyXML's XPath 
> implementation, although I suppose I ought to wrap the libxml2 XPath 
> functionality itself in order to be able to drop that particular dependency 
> on PyXML. I did hear something about 4Suite and XPath convenience methods on 
> nodes, and that did make me wonder if some kind of standard might emerge that 
> I could implement in libxml2dom.

It's no-brainer stuff.  On any node object:

node.xpath('path/to/desired/child[predicate-or-whatever]')

The node itself serves as the context node, the only item in the context
list, which is set to position() = 1.  Namespace bindings are extracted
from in-scope namespaces for that node.  Variable bindings can be passed
in as an optional second dictionary parameter.

You're welcome to emulate that API, of course.  If you have any
feedback, let us know.

> Anyway, I've been using libxml2dom with libxslt without unnecessary 
> serialisation, so this may be what you're looking for. If you and others want 
> to improve the software, I may establish a SourceForge project for it and let 
> development follow that course.

Building a smoother DOM interface to libxml2 is a very valuable service.
Perhaps, however, you want to pool your efforts with the lxml/vlibxml2
folks?  They seem to be more focused on rationalizing memory management,
which seems a useful complement to your focus.


-- 
Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net    http://4Suite.org    http://fourthought.com
Use CSS to display XML - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/x-dw-x-xmlcss-i.html
Location, Location, Location - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/11/24/py-xml.html
The State of Python-XML in 2004 - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/10/13/py-xml.html
Be humble, not imperial (in design) - http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=10286
XMLOpen and more XML Hacks - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think27.html
A survey of XML standards - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-stand4/

From disen at geo.unizh.ch  Tue Dec  7 09:48:43 2004
From: disen at geo.unizh.ch (Daniel Isenegger)
Date: Tue Dec  7 09:50:31 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Re: XML-SIG Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <20041203110007.647F01E4018@bag.python.org>
References: <20041203110007.647F01E4018@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <41B56E6B.3000206@geo.unizh.ch>

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>   1. Re: cannot change xmlns:xsi (Andrew Clover)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:35:47 +0100
>From: Andrew Clover <and-xml@doxdesk.com>
>Subject: Re: [XML-SIG] cannot change xmlns:xsi
>To: xml-sig@python.org
>Message-ID: <41AF3653.70403@doxdesk.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Daniel Isenegger <disen@geo.unizh.ch> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>node.setAttribute("xmlns:xsi","http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance")
>>    
>>
>
>setAttribute is a Level 1 method and thus namespace-ignorant. The above 
>should probably work as long as there is already an xmlns:xsi attribute 
>on 'node', but if there isn't it'll create a new one as a Level 1 node, 
>without a namespace. This is just one of the many problems when mixing 
>namespace-aware and namespace-ignorant methods. Really you want:
>
>   XMLNS= 'http://www.w3.org/2000/xmlns/'
>   XSINS= 'http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance'
>   node.setAttributeNS(XMLNS, 'xmlns:xsi', XSINS)
>
>However...
>
>In DOM Level 2, the namespaceURI of an Element or Attr is considered 
>part of its identity, not dynamically recalculated. So, given:
>
>   <a xmlns:q="spam">
>     <q:b/>
>   </a>
>
>you can change the value of the xmlns:q attribute to 'eggs', but the 
>namespaceURI of the q:b element is still 'spam'.
>
>Quite what DOM Level 2 implementations are supposed to do with the 
>problem during output of the document is unspecified, as DOM Level 2 
>says nothing about IO.
>
>But DOM Level 3 LS does. It uses "namespace fixup" to ensure all 
>namespaceURIs survive the output process. You would end up with:
>
>   <a xmlns:q="eggs">
>     <q:b xmlns:q="spam"/>
>   </a>
>
>Therefore correcting the value of the namespace declaration on the root 
>element won't help much; all its descendants would still have the wrong 
>('...w3c...') namespace. You would have to walk over the whole document 
>tree using DOM Level 3's Document.renameNode method to change all their 
>namespaces.
>
>The alternative would be to use a completely namespace-ignorant DOM 
>implementation. For a DOM Level 3 implemenation you can request this by 
>setting the domConfig parameter 'namespaces' to False.
>
>However (again)...
>
>  
>
>>the attribute is temporally set to ...w3... and then reset to ..w3c...
>>    
>>
>
>Having said all that... minidom is not a DOM Level 3 implementation. It 
>doesn't do namespace fixup at all. Its toxml() method just outputs 
>attributes as they are, so it shouldn't be putting the '...w3c...' 
>namespace in anywhere.
>
>So it must be some other tool or part of the program that is having this 
>effect.
>
>  
>
Hi Andrew,
thanks for your help.
 I now at this moment can't see all the consequences of your points, I 
have to study this in greater detail.

All the best     Dani

From and-xml at doxdesk.com  Tue Dec  7 18:49:53 2004
From: and-xml at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover)
Date: Tue Dec  7 18:49:40 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] ignoring "Undeclared entity" errors?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412051727300.32308-100000@casablanca.home.baldmt.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0412051727300.32308-100000@casablanca.home.baldmt.com>
Message-ID: <41B5ED41.8050507@doxdesk.com>

Steven Knight <knight@baldmt.com> wrote:

> When I try to process an individual fragment without the declarations,
> I of course get "Undeclared entity" fatal errors for these entities,
> which terminates parsing of the fragment.

Yep. I think this comes from expat itself, so might not be avoidable 
without using/subclassing a different parser, eg. xmlproc.

If you aren't tied to SAX, the pxdom parser will cope with undeclared 
entities. (If you use a DOM Level 3 ErrorHandler it'll receive a 
DOMError 'pxdom-unbound-entity' with severity WARNING.)

> Having to declare a DTD just to be able to perform some specific
> preprocessing on an otherwise well-formed fragment of XML feels way
> too heavyweight to me.

For me too - pxdom's lenient behaviour was originally intended to allow 
PXTL to pass entities through without having to define them in a 
separate doctype for 'target doctype plus PXTL'.

Other Python DOM tools don't really support the idea of keeping hold of 
unexpanded entity references, so they can't do anything but complain if 
they get an undeclared one.

However note that in certain circumstances (in summary: when the parser 
can know that there are no unprocessed DTD declarations) undeclared 
entities are a well-formedness error instead of a validity error. So 
technically your document might not be well-formed, which would be a Bad 
Thing.

In summary, entities suck, make everything harder, and should have been 
left out of XML completely. </controversy>

-- 
Andrew Clover
mailto:and@doxdesk.com
http://www.doxdesk.com/

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From rick.hurst at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 16:21:07 2004
From: rick.hurst at gmail.com (Rick Hurst)
Date: Thu Dec  9 16:21:09 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] dom.minidom getting the text content of a node
Message-ID: <5c11d58804120907212e3480e8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

i'm trying to migrate my blogworksXML blog to zope/plone - all the
blog content is stored in XML files and I am trying to walk through it
using minidom and extract relevant info. I can walk through and read
attributes but can't get at text content stored inside nodes which
holds the title and body text.

The node in question looks like this <blogtitle><![CDATA[Plone: remove
member self registration]]></blogtitle>

i'm trying the following (i'm a python newbie BTW):-

from xml.dom.minidom import parse, parseString
dom1 = parse('foo.xml')

for node in dom1.getElementsByTagName("blog"):
    id = node.getAttribute("id")
    print id
    for contentNode in node.getElementsByTagName("text"):
       for titleNode in node.getElementsByTagName("blogtitle"):
          print titleNode.nodeName  #returns "blogtitle"
          print titleNode.nodeType   #returns 1
          #print titleNode.data         #AttributeError: Element
instance has no attribute 'data'
          print titleNode.nodeValue  #returns "None"

is there a way of doing this with minidom or do I need to be using a
different parser? Any advice appreciated!

the xml is as follows:-

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<baef version="1.0">
<blog id="1087570241010">
<author>
<authorname>rick</authorname>
<authormail></authormail>
</author>
<information>
<commentthread>1087570241010</commentthread>
<timestamp>1087570241</timestamp>
<language>en</language>
<categories>
<category id=""></category>
</categories>
</information>
<text>
<blogtitle>
<![CDATA[Plone: remove member self registration]]></blogtitle>
<blogbody><![CDATA[I wanted to set up a plone site with no (rest of
post removed for clarity)]]></blogbody>
</text>
</blog>
</baef>
-- 
Rick Hurst
http://hypothecate.co.uk
From rick.hurst at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 17:38:15 2004
From: rick.hurst at gmail.com (Rick Hurst)
Date: Thu Dec  9 17:38:18 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Re: dom.minidom getting the text content of a node
In-Reply-To: <5c11d58804120907212e3480e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c11d58804120907212e3480e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c11d58804120908384b61e825@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:21:07 +0000, Rick Hurst <rick.hurst@gmail.com> wrote:

> The node in question looks like this <blogtitle><![CDATA[Plone: remove
> member self registration]]></blogtitle>

OK, apart from the fact that I was looking at the wrong node (cheers
peppo), from trawling google all afternoon it seems* that minidom will
not parse CDATA sections.

can anyone suggest a solution or should I use a different parser?

*http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=549725&group_id=5470
From fredrik at pythonware.com  Thu Dec  9 20:47:41 2004
From: fredrik at pythonware.com (Fredrik Lundh)
Date: Thu Dec  9 20:45:29 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Re: dom.minidom getting the text content of a node
References: <5c11d58804120907212e3480e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cpaa0j$o1j$1@sea.gmane.org>

Rick Hurst wrote:

> i'm trying the following (i'm a python newbie BTW):-
>
> from xml.dom.minidom import parse, parseString
> dom1 = parse('foo.xml')
>
> for node in dom1.getElementsByTagName("blog"):
>    id = node.getAttribute("id")
>    print id
>    for contentNode in node.getElementsByTagName("text"):
>       for titleNode in node.getElementsByTagName("blogtitle"):
>          print titleNode.nodeName  #returns "blogtitle"
>          print titleNode.nodeType   #returns 1
>          #print titleNode.data         #AttributeError: Element
> instance has no attribute 'data'
>          print titleNode.nodeValue  #returns "None"
>
> is there a way of doing this with minidom or do I need to be using a
> different parser? Any advice appreciated!

if you add this to the inner loop,

    print titleNode.childNodes
    print titleNode.firstChild.wholeText

you get this output (under 2.3.3):

    [<DOM Text node "\n">, <DOM CDATASection node "Plone: rem...">]

    Plone: remove member self registration

>
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=549725&group_id=5470

this bug report complains that the DOM represents the CDATA section as
four text nodes, which is also perfectly valid (see Martin's explanation).  code
that depends on being able to identify a CDATA section in the source file is
broken; character data, character references, entities, and CDATA section
should all be treated as text.

btw, here's the corresponding ElementTree version:

    from elementtree import ElementTree

    tree = ElementTree.parse("foo.xml")

    for node in tree.findall(".//blog"):
        print node.get("id")
        for content_node in node.findall("text"):
            print content_node.findtext("blogtitle")

or, shorter:

    for node in tree.findall(".//blog"):
        print node.get("id")
        print node.findtext("text/blogtitle")

</F> 



From rick.hurst at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 09:40:45 2004
From: rick.hurst at gmail.com (Rick Hurst)
Date: Fri Dec 10 09:40:48 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Re: dom.minidom getting the text content of a node
In-Reply-To: <cpaa0j$o1j$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <5c11d58804120907212e3480e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<cpaa0j$o1j$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <5c11d58804121000401077fd0c@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:47:41 +0100, Fredrik Lundh <fredrik@pythonware.com> wrote:
 
> if you add this to the inner loop,
> 
>     print titleNode.childNodes
>     print titleNode.firstChild.wholeText
> 
> you get this output (under 2.3.3):
> 
>     [<DOM Text node "\n">, <DOM CDATASection node "Plone: rem...">]
> 

Thanks Frederik

> > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=105470&aid=549725&group_id=5470
> 
> this bug report complains that the DOM represents the CDATA section as
> four text nodes, which is also perfectly valid (see Martin's explanation).  code
> that depends on being able to identify a CDATA section in the source file is
> broken; character data, character references, entities, and CDATA section
> should all be treated as text.

that makes sense

> btw, here's the corresponding ElementTree version:
> 
>     from elementtree import ElementTree
> 
>     tree = ElementTree.parse("foo.xml")
> 
>     for node in tree.findall(".//blog"):
>         print node.get("id")
>         for content_node in node.findall("text"):
>             print content_node.findtext("blogtitle")
> 
> or, shorter:
> 
>     for node in tree.findall(".//blog"):
>         print node.get("id")
>         print node.findtext("text/blogtitle")
> 

wow, that looks like a more concise way to do it - thanks i'll take a
look at that.

FWIW I had some sucess using Sax2 last night:-

import sys
from xml.dom.ext.reader import Sax2

# create Reader object
reader = Sax2.Reader()

# parse the document
dom1 = reader.fromStream('200406archive010.xml')

for node in dom1.getElementsByTagName("blog"):
    id = node.getAttribute("id")
    print int(id)
    for contentNode in node.getElementsByTagName("text"):
       for titleNode in contentNode.getElementsByTagName("blogtitle"):
          print titleNode.firstChild.data
       for titleNode in contentNode.getElementsByTagName("blogbody"):
          print titleNode.firstChild.data 


-- 
Rick Hurst
http://hypothecate.co.uk
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From frans.englich at telia.com  Fri Dec 10 20:40:03 2004
From: frans.englich at telia.com (Frans Englich)
Date: Fri Dec 10 20:32:39 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] PyXML, 4suite, libxml2... what should I choose?
In-Reply-To: <1102284801.27542.29.camel@borgia>
References: <200411291934.44488.frans.englich@telia.com>
	<1102284801.27542.29.camel@borgia>
Message-ID: <200412101940.03707.frans.englich@telia.com>

On Sunday 05 December 2004 22:13, Uche Ogbuji wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 19:34 +0000, Frans Englich wrote:
> > I need some guidance for the various XML implementations.

Hello Uche, 

Here's a late reply. I settled for libxml2 because it provides all 
functionality(I can unfortunately not switch to RNG), and I will have to live 
with its quirky API. Your reply was very informative, great to have some 
insight in this spurr of implementations.


Cheers,

		Frans


>
> Well, at the minimum you'll get argument :-)
>
> > In my project I use the Python DOM classes for instantiations of my XML
> > data, and I need XPath functionality,
>
> 4Suite has an XPath implementation that is very easy to use and makes
> extending XPath with functions implemented in Python very simple.
>
> http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/akara/nodes/2003-01-01/basic-xpath
>
> > WXS validation,
>
> 4Suite does not support WXS.  Advantage libxml2 here.  Then again, if
> you have a choice in the matter you really should consider using RELAX
> NG instead, which is superior to WXS and is supported by 4Suite.
>
> > and XSLT processing.
>
> 4Suite's XSLT processor is also easy to use and extend.
>
> http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/akara/nodes/2003-01-01/basic-xslt
>
> > Currently, I pipe out my structures to libxml2/libxslt's xmllint/xsltproc
> > for doing validation, and XSLT processing. libxml2 is capable, but the
> > solution is ugly, and slow(de-serialization/serialization). In addition,
> > I lack XPath functionality. I have no intentions to skip Python's XML
> > structures, and use for example libxml2's.
>
> Out of curiousity, by "Python's XML structures" do you mean minidom?  If
> so, what motivates this reservation?  I should add the disclaimer that
> 4Suitee's XPath and XSLT features require Domlette rather than minidom.
> Domlette is very similar to minidom (much more so than libxml2's DOM-
> like structures).  Domlette is also IMO as pythonic as you can get and
> still be DOM-like (more Pythonic and you're into the territory of
> ElementTree and data bindings such as Anobind, GenerateDS and Gnosis
> Objectify).
>
> > So, my plan is to get XPath somewhere, and perhaps be able to substitute
> > libxml2 for something more Pythonic while I'm at it.
>
> You should at least give 4Suite a try if this is your bottom line.
>
> > From what I can tell, there is three major packages to keep an eye on: 1)
> > standard Python; 2) PyXML; 3) 4suite. Let me see if I got this straight:
> >
> > * Python have _no_ XPath implementation (right?)
>
> Right.
>
> > * PyXML install an XPath implementation(written by fourthought) into
> > Python's package xml(xml.xpath). Is it version 1.0? Is it robust and
> > stable?
>
> It's pretty robust and stable.  It is based on very old code from
> 4Suite's XPath and the latter has been optimized a great deal and has
> added a lot of useful features.
>
> > * PyXML has xml.xslt; not an option since it's not stable/production
> > quality, according to the docs -- or what is its status? How much
> > "experimental" is it?
>
> Basing XSLT on plain DOM is a bit tricky, which is why in 4Suite we've
> settled on Domlette-only.  It will take a lot of work to get Python's
> xml.xslt compliant and efficient while still using plain old minidom.
> Again, it's based on old code from 4Suite which has been much optimized
> and otherwise improved since then.
>
> > * 4suite has XPath(another implementation written by fourthought..?) and
> > robust xslt.
>
> It's a much newer version of the XSLT in PyXML.
>
> > * Neither PyXML nor 4suite has a W3C XML Schema stack, so I'll have to
> > look elsewhere; one alternative is XSV but it brings in addition a
> > dependency on PyLTXML. Looks like continuing to pipe to libxml2's
> > xmllint(or link) is still the best alternative.
>
> I suppose another option is to use Trang to convert WXS to RELAX NG and
> then use XVIF or 4Suite.
>
> > What is the best option(s) for me? With my interest of keeping the
> > dependencies down, should I go for PyXML-XPath + PyXML-XSLT _if_ it's
> > good enough or libxslt + libxml2-WXS? I could use 4suite's XSLT, but
> > since I nevertheless will have a dependency on libxml2/libxslt for WXS I
> > can use that(and eat the speed penalty).
> > Important is it has a future(maintained..) and is stable/trustable.
> >
> > What should I go for, and what have I missed?
> >
> > BTW, is there any plans to merge any XSLT/XPath stack into vanilla
> > Python? (when?) It's functionality often needed, AFAICT.
>
> XPath is a little language, and XSLT a not-so-little one, so I'd expect
> they're too much to stuff into core Pylib, even with the "batteries
> included" philosophy.  Add to that the fact that something a bit richer
> than minidom would be needed for the data model (if the implementation
> is to be at all efficient) and I'd say it's a stretch.
>
> > Yes, I'm new on the Python & XML front..
>
> Welcome.
From disen at geo.unizh.ch  Mon Dec 13 17:46:22 2004
From: disen at geo.unizh.ch (Daniel Isenegger)
Date: Mon Dec 13 17:48:23 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] minidom: read value from text node
In-Reply-To: <20041203110007.647F01E4018@bag.python.org>
References: <20041203110007.647F01E4018@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <41BDC75E.60005@geo.unizh.ch>

Hi,
i work with the PyXML modul an use  minidom to process xml data:
In need to get data from text nodes and found an example of 
functionality in the book O'Reilly-book from C.Jones: Python & XML (S.101)

# searches the year and the defoliation value in the instance file and 
copies the
# element defoliation
    def copyDynamicProperties(self):
        """copies the dyn properties from a GML3 instance file."""
        # looks for elements with the tag defol
        defolNodelist = self.dom.getElementsByTagName("defol")
        # iterating over all <defol>-eles
        for node in defolNodelist:
            # node list defolChildren
            defolChildren = node.childNodes
            # reads value cat in instance-file to member var self.cat
            cat = self.findTextNodes(defolChildren,"cat")
            print cat
    #------------------------------------------------------------
    # finds the data of the textNode of the elementNode with the
    # tag theTagName (adapted from Book Python&XML, S.101)
    def findTextNodes(self,theNodeList,theTagName):
        #init returnValue
        for subnode in theNodeList:
            if subnode.nodeType == subnode.ELEMENT_NODE:
                if subnode.tagName == theTagName:
                    # call function again to get children
                    self.findTextNodes(subnode.childNodes,theTagName)
            #
            elif subnode.nodeType == subnode.TEXT_NODE:
                print "text-node:", subnode.data
                return subnode.data
              

Output:
text-node: 1
text-node:

cat:



my Problem is now that
the function findTextNodes now is a recursive one, which delivers 2 
return -values:
the correct value of the text-node and a non-empty string (it looks 
empty but has 7 spaces )
How can i only get the correct text-value back or how can prevent the 
string to overwrite the correct value?

( i tried to do this by  only to return if  subnode.data.isdigit() ist 
true and othter workarounds, but...(:(  )

Thanks Dani




From cfbearden at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 18:36:39 2004
From: cfbearden at gmail.com (Chuck Bearden)
Date: Mon Dec 13 18:36:42 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] minidom: read value from text node
In-Reply-To: <41BDC75E.60005@geo.unizh.ch>
References: <20041203110007.647F01E4018@bag.python.org>
	<41BDC75E.60005@geo.unizh.ch>
Message-ID: <433ebc87041213093661e5cd26@mail.gmail.com>

> # searches the year and the defoliation value in the instance file and
> copies the
> # element defoliation
>     def copyDynamicProperties(self):
>         """copies the dyn properties from a GML3 instance file."""
>         # looks for elements with the tag defol
>         defolNodelist = self.dom.getElementsByTagName("defol")
>         # iterating over all <defol>-eles
>         for node in defolNodelist:
>             # node list defolChildren
>             defolChildren = node.childNodes
>             # reads value cat in instance-file to member var self.cat
>             cat = self.findTextNodes(defolChildren,"cat")
>             print cat
>     #------------------------------------------------------------
>     # finds the data of the textNode of the elementNode with the
>     # tag theTagName (adapted from Book Python&XML, S.101)
>     def findTextNodes(self,theNodeList,theTagName):
>         #init returnValue
>         for subnode in theNodeList:
>             if subnode.nodeType == subnode.ELEMENT_NODE:
>                 if subnode.tagName == theTagName:
>                     # call function again to get children
>                     self.findTextNodes(subnode.childNodes,theTagName)
>             #
>             elif subnode.nodeType == subnode.TEXT_NODE:
>                 print "text-node:", subnode.data
>                 return subnode.data

My suspicion is that 'cat' is just getting the first whitespace
encountered by findTextNodes as it processes the list of child nodes
passed to it.  Notice that the only return statement in findTextNodes
is in the branch that handles child nodes that are text.  This means
at least two things: (1) when iterating "for subnode in theNodeList",
iteration will stop at the first child noted of type TEXT_NODE.  No
further nodes of any type in theNodeList will be processed; (2)
nothing that happens in recursive calls of findTextNodes (under the
"if subnode.nodeType == subnode.ELEMENT_NODE:" conditional branch) is
ever returned.

It can be tricky to mix iteration and recursion in this way.  However
you resolve this problem, you probably need an accumulator (e.g. a
list to which the content of all TEXT_NODEs under defol elements is
appended, to be joined and stripped when complete).  The accumulator
would be passed down the recursion chain as an argument to the
recurring function, and it would be returned back up the chain, and
eventually assigned to 'cat', where it would be .join()ed and
.stripp()ed.

Best wishes,
Chuck
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From faure at kde.org  Tue Dec 14 13:42:42 2004
From: faure at kde.org (David Faure)
Date: Tue Dec 14 13:42:50 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Request change on
	http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/topics/xbel/
Message-ID: <200412141342.42920.faure@kde.org>

Hello,

Can you update the text about konqueror on the above page, to either:

David Faure (faure@kde.org) has made XBEL the bookmarks format for Konqueror, 
the KDE web browser since KDE 2.1. KDE also features a separate
application to edit XBEL bookmarks, keditbookmarks.

or

The Konqueror Web Browser for the KDE desktop has been using XBEL as
its native bookmark format since version 2.1. KDE also features a separate
application to edit XBEL bookmarks, keditbookmarks.

(keeping the links to www.kde.org and www.konqueror.org of course)

Thanks.

-- 
David Faure, faure@kde.org, sponsored by Trolltech to work on KDE,
Konqueror (http://www.konqueror.org), and KOffice (http://www.koffice.org).
From david.vevar at gmail.com  Wed Dec 15 11:05:31 2004
From: david.vevar at gmail.com (David Vevar)
Date: Wed Dec 15 11:05:36 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] XBEL / Konqueror
Message-ID: <41C00C6B.9040807@gmail.com>

Hi,

Since you mention Konqueror on your page 
(http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/topics/xbel/) I was wondering what was 
your official position about Konqueror's bookmark format. It's supposed 
to be XBEL but from what I see there's an icon argument in a bookmark 
element. Since I can't find it in a dtd I thought that such data should 
be put into metadata (in info). In your pdf document describing XBEL 
there's no mention of icons (and how to handle such data) either. Is 
there an offocial position regarding that? I'd be most grateful for your 
insight.

Best Regards,
David
From frans.englich at telia.com  Wed Dec 15 13:07:19 2004
From: frans.englich at telia.com (Frans Englich)
Date: Wed Dec 15 12:59:58 2004
Subject: Fwd: [XML-SIG] XBEL / Konqueror
Message-ID: <200412151207.19651.frans.englich@telia.com>


I don't think Faure is on xml-sig, forwarding.

		Frans

----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: [XML-SIG] XBEL / Konqueror
Date: Wednesday 15 December 2004 10:05
From: David Vevar <david.vevar@gmail.com>
To: xml-sig@python.org

Hi,

Since you mention Konqueror on your page
(http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/topics/xbel/) I was wondering what was
your official position about Konqueror's bookmark format. It's supposed
to be XBEL but from what I see there's an icon argument in a bookmark
element. Since I can't find it in a dtd I thought that such data should
be put into metadata (in info). In your pdf document describing XBEL
there's no mention of icons (and how to handle such data) either. Is
there an offocial position regarding that? I'd be most grateful for your
insight.

Best Regards,
David
_______________________________________________
XML-SIG maillist  -  XML-SIG@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/xml-sig

-------------------------------------------------------
From awatters at connotate.com  Wed Dec 15 16:36:20 2004
From: awatters at connotate.com (Aaron Watters)
Date: Wed Dec 15 16:36:25 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] xsdb slays sql with xml, constructed flames requested.
Message-ID: <7B4C0B5178890D48A2E70BB1EA994764467449@raffertys.connotate.com>

Hi guys,

 

Please have a look at my proof of concept data aggregation/publication
methodology

 

   http://xsdb.sourceforge.net <http://xsdb.sourceforge.net/> 

 

>From an XML perspective it is intended to be more appropriate and
simpler to use

for common database-style uses than RSS, RDF, XQuery, XPath, and XSLT.

 

I suspect readers of this list will have some thoughts about it
(constructive, I hope).

 

Thanks,  -- Aaron Watters

 

Ps: I say "proof of concept" but I think the implementation may be
usable for non-huge problems.

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From noreply at sourceforge.net  Wed Dec 15 16:53:32 2004
From: noreply at sourceforge.net (SourceForge.net)
Date: Wed Dec 15 16:53:35 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] [ pyxml-Patches-1085869 ] Boolean values don't serialize
	properly.
Message-ID: <E1CebT2-0005tj-U5@sc8-sf-web3.sourceforge.net>

Patches item #1085869, was opened at 2004-12-15 15:53
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=306473&aid=1085869&group_id=6473

Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Victor T. Ng (vng1)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Boolean values don't serialize properly.

Initial Comment:
Here's a patch to enable xml.marshal.generic
serialization of True/False values.

Couldn't figure out how unit tests worked for
test_generic, so no tests are included.

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You can respond by visiting: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=306473&aid=1085869&group_id=6473
From David.Vevar at noviforum.si  Wed Dec 15 18:22:45 2004
From: David.Vevar at noviforum.si (David Vevar)
Date: Wed Dec 15 18:22:46 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] XBEL / Call for extension
Message-ID: <41C072E5.7020305@noviforum.si>

Hello,

I contacted you not long ago about an "icon issue" regarding XBEL in 
general and Konquerer in particular.

I also contacted David Faure of KDE who implemented XBEL (well, almost 
;-)) for Konquerer bookmarks. After some exchanged messages (having in 
mind that most of todays browsers tend to be fairly colourful ;-)) we 
came to a conclusion that it would be a good thing to change (or extend) 
XBEL a bit. We propose an icon repository at the end of XBEL document in 
  form of an <icons> element, something like this

<icons>
   <icon id="..." location="..."> base64-encoded data. </icon>
   ...
</icons>

To be more specific, <icon>s could point to external locations (web 
URL's or local-machine repositories) and/or keep icon data inlined as, 
say, base64-encoded binary (Mozilla(s) already have that), containing 
images in various formats (jpegs, gifs, pngs), ico files, maybe even 
something more exotic (in that case we'd also need to put a content-type 
in there somewhere).

Bookmarks could then refer to these icons (through their ids) with some 
referrer attribute.

The point of all this is that having such a format could result in a 
compact (one XBEL file) bookmark repository.

I'd be glad to leave the details of specification to you. What I need to 
know is whether you'd even consider it, and if so, how soon can we 
expect the actual specification?

I'm looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,
David
From dbasch at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 15 23:28:56 2004
From: dbasch at yahoo.com (Derek Basch)
Date: Wed Dec 15 23:28:59 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] createProcessingInstruction
Message-ID: <20041215222856.13887.qmail@web20821.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I am having problems with using the xml.dom.minidom.createProcessingInstruction
method to create an XSL Style Sheet reference. It places the XSL Style Sheet
reference at the end the generated XML instead of the beginning. This breaks
the transformation in Firefox v1. Has anyone run into this before? Thanks
everyone.

The generated XML:

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?>
<receipt xmlns='http://172.20.0.70:81/receipt/'
received='2004-12-15T14:21:57.543603-08:00'>
  <transaction status='http://172.20.0.70:81/evaluator/smm/set1/status.xml'
uri='http://172.20.0.70:81/evaluator/smm/set1/status.xml'/>
</receipt>
<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl"
href="http://172.20.0.70:81/evaluator/receipt.xsl"?>

The python code:

def createReceipt(self):
	imp= xml.dom.minidom.getDOMImplementation()
	doctype = imp.createDocumentType("receipt", None, None)
	doc = imp.createDocument("http://172.20.0.70:81/receipt/", 'receipt', doctype)
	doc.appendChild(doc.createProcessingInstruction("xml-stylesheet",
"type=\"text/xsl\" href=\"http://172.20.0.70:81/evaluator/receipt.xsl\""))
	request_receipt_element = doc.documentElement
	transaction_element = doc.createElement("transaction")  
	request_receipt_element.setAttribute("received", "%s" %
(datetime.now(tz=TZ()).isoformat()))
	request_receipt_element.appendChild(transaction_element)    
	transaction_element.setAttribute("status", self.status_uri)
	transaction_element.setAttribute( "uri", self.set_directory_uri)
	
	return xml.dom.ext.PrettyPrint(doc)



		
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From and-xml at doxdesk.com  Thu Dec 16 01:27:47 2004
From: and-xml at doxdesk.com (Andrew Clover)
Date: Thu Dec 16 01:27:23 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] createProcessingInstruction
In-Reply-To: <20041215222856.13887.qmail@web20821.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041215222856.13887.qmail@web20821.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41C0D683.1000209@doxdesk.com>

Derek Basch <dbasch@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It places the XSL Style Sheet reference at the end the generated XML
> instead of the beginning.

> 	doc = imp.createDocument("http://172.20.0.70:81/receipt/", 'receipt', doctype)
> 	doc.appendChild(doc.createProcessingInstruction(...))

The PI node is appended to the end of the Document node, after the root 
Element (which is created implicitly by the createDocument method).

To put the PI first in the Document's childNodes:

   pi= doc.createProcessingInstruction(...)
   doc.insertBefore(pi, doc.documentElement)

-- 
Andrew Clover
mailto:and@doxdesk.com
http://www.doxdesk.com/
From syslog-ng-admin at lists.balabit.hu  Fri Dec 17 12:10:15 2004
From: syslog-ng-admin at lists.balabit.hu (syslog-ng-admin@lists.balabit.hu)
Date: Fri Dec 17 12:10:19 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Your message to syslog-ng awaits moderator approval
Message-ID: <20041217111015.28446.13033.Mailman@www.balabit.hu>

Your mail to 'syslog-ng' with the subject

    Details

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

    Post by non-member to a members-only list

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
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From junkc at fh-trier.de  Sat Dec 18 22:40:31 2004
From: junkc at fh-trier.de (Christian Junk)
Date: Sat Dec 18 22:40:44 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] XBEL (dis-)continued?
Message-ID: <200412182240.37392.junkc@fh-trier.de>

Hi!

I'm working on a project for my study of computer science. The project's focus 
is on bookmarks (and links respectively).

I'm very interested in the XBEL format, but it seems that XBEL 1.0 is 
obsolete?

I found a discussion from 2001 at the XML-SIG Archives about XBEL 1.1 and also 
I found a link to the DTD 
(http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/topics/dtds/xbel-1.1.dtd), but I think it isn't 
well-established and there are still some lacks.

So, is there anyone out there who still works on XBEL or is willing to restart 
the work on it? Do you think there actually is a need to extend and/or 
enhance XBEL 1.0?

Regards,
Christian
From dy3uls at ms-mta-01.texas.rr.com  Sun Dec 19 01:30:24 2004
From: dy3uls at ms-mta-01.texas.rr.com (dy3uls@ms-mta-01.texas.rr.com)
Date: Sun Dec 19 01:30:33 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Returned mail: see transcript for details
Message-ID: <20041219003031.70BA51E4012@bag.python.org>

The original message was received at Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:30:24 -0700
from [41.209.212.161]

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From martin at v.loewis.de  Wed Dec 22 00:37:02 2004
From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=)
Date: Wed Dec 22 00:37:00 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] XBEL (dis-)continued?
In-Reply-To: <200412182240.37392.junkc@fh-trier.de>
References: <200412182240.37392.junkc@fh-trier.de>
Message-ID: <41C8B39E.2040603@v.loewis.de>

Christian Junk wrote:
> So, is there anyone out there who still works on XBEL or is willing to restart 
> the work on it? Do you think there actually is a need to extend and/or 
> enhance XBEL 1.0?

I think this list should still work as a discussion place for XBEL. The
important point of XBEL is still *exchange*, so I think we should follow
a careful process, working towards XBEL 1.2.

One such process could be:
- collect issues with the current XBEL DTD.
- propose modifications for XBEL (*not* calling it XBEL 1.2 at that
   time)
- contact XBEL implementors about such proposed changes, and their
   opinion about it.

I have just added an XBEL tracker at

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=707658&group_id=6473&func=browse

where people should collect issues about XBEL they find.

Depending on the feedback we get, we can then setup a schedule for
releasing new revisions of XBEL.

Regards,
Martin
From uche.ogbuji at fourthought.com  Thu Dec 23 00:11:48 2004
From: uche.ogbuji at fourthought.com (Uche Ogbuji)
Date: Thu Dec 23 00:11:51 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] ANN: Amara XML Toolkit 0.9.0
Message-ID: <1103757108.10272.61.camel@borgia>

http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/4Suite/amara

Amara XML Toolkit is a collection of Pythonic tools for XML data
binding.
Not just tools that happen to be written in Python, but tools built from
the ground up to use Python idioms and take advantage of the many
advantages of Python over other programming languages.

Amara builds on 4Suite, but whereas 4Suite focuses more on literal
implementation of XML standards in Python, Amara adds a much more
Pythonic face to these capabilities.

Amara provides tools you can trust to conform with XML standards
without losing the familiar Python feel.

The components of Amara are:

* Bindery: data binding tool (fancy way of saying: a very Pythonic XML
API)
* Scimitar: implementation of the ISO Schematron schema language for
XML;
            converts Schematron files to Python scripts
* domtools: set of tools to augment Python DOMs
* saxtools: set of tools to make SAX easier to use in Python

There's a lot in Amara, but here are highlights:

Amara Bindery: XML as easy as py
--------------------------------

Based on the retired project Anobind, but updated to use SAX rather than
DOM
to create bindings.  Bindery reads an XML document and returns a data
structure of Python objects corresponding to the vocabulary used in the
XML document, for maximum clarity.

Bindery turns the document

<monty>
  <python spam="eggs">What do you mean "bleh"</python>
  <python ministry="abuse">But I was looking for argument</python>
</monty>

Into a set of objects such that you can write

binding.monty.python.spam

In order to get the value "eggs" or

binding.monty.python[1]

In order to get the value "But I was looking for argument".

There are other such tools for Python, and what makes Anobind unique is
that it's driven by a very declarative rules-based system for binding
XML to the Python data.  You can register rules that are triggered by
XPattern expressions specialized binding behavior.  It includes XPath
support and is very efficient, using SAX to generate bindings.

Scimitar: exceptional schema language for an exceptional programming
language
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Merged in from a separate project, Scimitar is an implementation of ISO
Schematron that compiles a Schematron schema into a Python validator
script.

You typically use scimitar in two phases.  Say you have a schematron
schema schema1.stron and you want to validate multiple XML files
against it, instance1.xml, instance2.xml, instance3.xml.

First you run schema1.stron through the scimitar compiler script,
scimitar.py:

scimitar.py schema1.stron

A file, schema1.py is generated and can be used to validate XML
instances:

python schema1.py instance1.xml

Which emits a validation report.

Amara DOM Tools: giving DOM a more Pythonic face
------------------------------------------------

DOM came from the Java world, hardly the most Pythonic API possible.
Some DOM-like implementations such as 4Suite's Domlettes mix in some
Pythonic idiom. Amara DOM Tools goes even further.

Amara DOM Tools features pushdom, similar to xml.dom.pulldom, but
easier to use.  It also includes Python generators-based tools for
DOM processing.  And a function to return an XPath location for
any DOM node.

Amara SAX Tools: SAX without the brain explosion
------------------------------------------------

Tenorsax (amara.saxtools.tenorsax) is a framework for "linerarizing" SAX
logic
so that it flows more naturally, and needs a lot less state machine
wizardry.

License
-------

Amara is open source, provided under the 4Suite variant of the Apache
license.  See the file COPYING for details.

Installation
------------

Amara requires Python 2.3 or more recent and 4Suite 1.0a3 or more
recent.  Make sure these are installed, unpack Amara to a convenient
location and run

python setup.py install


-- 
Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net    http://4Suite.org    http://fourthought.com
Use CSS to display XML - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/x-dw-x-xmlcss-i.html
Full XML Indexes with Gnosis - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/12/08/py-xml.html
Be humble, not imperial (in design) - http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=10286
UBL 1.0 - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think28.html
Use Universal Feed Parser to tame RSS - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tipufp.html
Default and error handling in XSLT lookup tables - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tiplook.html
A survey of XML standards - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-stand4/
The State of Python-XML in 2004 - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/10/13/py-xml.html

From uche.ogbuji at fourthought.com  Thu Dec 30 19:38:48 2004
From: uche.ogbuji at fourthought.com (Uche Ogbuji)
Date: Thu Dec 30 19:38:53 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] ANN: Amara XML Toolkit 0.9.1
Message-ID: <1104431928.16585.54.camel@borgia>

http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/4Suite/amara
ftp://ftp.4suite.org/pub/Amara/ [1]

Amara XML Toolkit is a collection of Python tools for XML processing--
not just tools that happen to be written in Python, but tools built from
the ground up to use Python idioms and take advantage of the many
advantages of Python.

Amara builds on 4Suite [http://4Suite.org], but whereas 4Suite focuses
more on literal implementation of XML standards in Python, Amara
focuses on Pythonic idiom.  It provides tools you can trust to conform
with XML standards without losing the familiar Python feel.

The components of Amara are:

* Bindery: data binding tool (fancy way of saying: a very Pythonic XML
API)
* Scimitar: implementation of the ISO Schematron schema language for
XML;
            converts Schematron files to Python scripts
* domtools: set of tools to augment Python DOMs
* saxtools: set of tools to make SAX easier to use in Python

There's a lot in Amara, but here are highlights:

Amara Bindery: XML as easy as py
--------------------------------

Based on the retired project Anobind, but updated to use SAX rather than
DOM
to create bindings.  Bindery reads an XML document and returns a data
structure of Python objects corresponding to the vocabulary used in the
XML document, for maximum clarity.

Bindery turns the document

<monty>
  <python spam="eggs">What do you mean "bleh"</python>
  <python ministry="abuse">But I was looking for argument</python>
</monty>

Into a set of objects such that you can write

binding.monty.python.spam

In order to get the value "eggs" or

binding.monty.python[1]

In order to get the value "But I was looking for argument".

There are other such tools for Python, and what makes Anobind unique is
that it's driven by a very declarative rules-based system for binding
XML to the Python data.  You can register rules that are triggered by
XPattern expressions specialized binding behavior.  It includes XPath
support and supports mutation.  Bindery is very efficient, using SAX
to generate bindings.

Scimitar: exceptional schema language for an exceptional programming
language
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Merged in from a separate project, Scimitar is an implementation of ISO
Schematron that compiles a Schematron schema into a Python validator
script.

You typically use scimitar in two phases.  Say you have a schematron
schema schema1.stron and you want to validate multiple XML files
against it, instance1.xml, instance2.xml, instance3.xml.

First you run schema1.stron through the scimitar compiler script,
scimitar.py:

scimitar.py schema1.stron

A file, schema1.py is generated and can be used to validate XML
instances:

python schema1.py instance1.xml

Which emits a validation report.

Amara DOM Tools: giving DOM a more Pythonic face
------------------------------------------------

DOM came from the Java world, hardly the most Pythonic API possible.
Some DOM-like implementations such as 4Suite's Domlettes mix in some
Pythonic idiom. Amara DOM Tools goes even further.

Amara DOM Tools feature pushdom, similar to xml.dom.pulldom, but
easier to use.  It also includes Python generator-based tools for
DOM processing, and a function to return an XPath location for
any DOM node.

Amara SAX Tools: SAX without the brain explosion
------------------------------------------------

Tenorsax (amara.saxtools.tenorsax) is a framework for "linerarizing" SAX
logic
so that it flows more naturally, and needs a lot less state machine
wizardry.

License
-------

Amara is open source, provided under the 4Suite variant of the Apache
license.  See the file COPYING for details.

Installation
------------

Amara requires Python 2.3 or more recent and 4Suite 1.0a3 or more
recent.  Make sure these are installed, unpack Amara to a convenient
location and run

python setup.py install

[1] We have some problem reports with certain Web browsers and the
ftp.4suite.org firewall.  Please try an alternate FTP client if you have
problems, and kindly bear with us while we sort this out.


-- 
Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net    http://4Suite.org    http://fourthought.com
Use CSS to display XML - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/x-dw-x-xmlcss-i.html
Full XML Indexes with Gnosis - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/12/08/py-xml.html
Be humble, not imperial (in design) - http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=10286
UBL 1.0 - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think28.html
Use Universal Feed Parser to tame RSS - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tipufp.html
Default and error handling in XSLT lookup tables - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tiplook.html
A survey of XML standards - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-stand4/
The State of Python-XML in 2004 - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/10/13/py-xml.html

From Uche.Ogbuji at fourthought.com  Thu Dec 30 19:48:36 2004
From: Uche.Ogbuji at fourthought.com (Uche Ogbuji)
Date: Thu Dec 30 19:48:39 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] Amara XML Toolkit 0.9.1 changes
Message-ID: <1104432516.16585.71.camel@borgia>

Forgot the changes in the original announcement:

* Fixed embarrassing misinterpretation of
  sax.handler.feature_namespace_prefixes
  Now Namespace prefixes work fine with or without PyXML installed
* Add saxtools.namespace_mixin utility class
* Clean up bindery.document_base name attributes
* Add bindery.element_base.xml_remove_child and .xml_index_on_parent--
methods for easier removal of children
* tenorsax was useless due to accidental late mangling before 0.9.0
release.  Fixed.
* Use tenorsax fully in Scimitar.
  Scimitar is now a complete ISO schematron implementation in about 500
lines
  of Python code (including the skeletons for code generation)

http://lists.fourthought.com/pipermail/4suite/2004-December/013143.html

-- 
Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net    http://4Suite.org    http://fourthought.com
Use CSS to display XML - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/x-dw-x-xmlcss-i.html
Full XML Indexes with Gnosis - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/12/08/py-xml.html
Be humble, not imperial (in design) - http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=10286
UBL 1.0 - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think28.html
Use Universal Feed Parser to tame RSS - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tipufp.html
Default and error handling in XSLT lookup tables - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tiplook.html
A survey of XML standards - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-stand4/
The State of Python-XML in 2004 - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/10/13/py-xml.html

From narve at machina.no  Fri Dec 31 01:31:38 2004
From: narve at machina.no (Narve Saetre)
Date: Fri Dec 31 01:27:57 2004
Subject: [XML-SIG] XBEL xslt stylesheet
Message-ID: <41D49DEA.7020806@machina.no>


There seem to be an invalid URL (another web page gone dead) on the XBEL 
page:

 >Joris Graaumans (joris@cs.uu.nl) has developed a couple of XSLT 
stylesheets for XBEL <http://www.cs.uu.nl/%7Ejoris/stuff.html>.

In my hunt for a better XBEL stylesheet I discovered a superior one 
(nice, recursive, graphic, icons, fast, cross-browser):

http://cgi29.plala.or.jp/mozzarel/xbel/

so I suggest the web master changes the URL to this one (and hope that 
one stays for a while).

Btw, I found it while looking at the superior Firefox extension 
"Bookmarks Synchronizer" (http://cgi29.plala.or.jp/mozzarel/) - crappy 
web page but an excellent extension!

Regards,

-- 
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Partner / Machina Networks as / +47 41915331



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