[Web-SIG] Re: Just lost another one to Rails

[Ian Bicking]

Greg Wilson wrote:
> Well, here we all are, two weeks later, with no sign of convergence on a 
> solution.  

Well, Peter Hunt has code to run Subway on Paste, and is planning for 
the next release to be based on Paste.  That will also make CherryPy 
available in Paste as a side effect.  Mike Orr has been doing some work 
on running Quixote on Paste, though I don't know exactly what his 
current thoughts are; there's been interest from several Quixote 
developers, so something is bound to catch.  And I'm pretty sure I 
convinced Adrian Holovaty to base the initial open source release of his 
company's web framework/CMS on Paste.

Sure, I'd like to see even more people moving frameworks onto Paste, but 
I'm also pleased with the response so far, and hopeful we'll see other 
frameworks come along in time.  I'm always ready to field questions 
about the details.

Most of my own Paste-related work in the last week or two has been in 
setting up project infrastructure -- bug trackers, mailing lists, etc -- 
but most of what I plan to do in that area is done and I hope to move 
back to more significant code improvements.  And I'd be just as happy to 
work on code improvements driven by the needs of other frameworks.  And 
I'm always happy to include new developers, even if Paste is an aside to 
your primary efforts (like your own app or framework).

> The mailing list set up in the wake of Michelle Levesque's 
> "PyWebOff" talk at PyCon seems to have gone quiet;

I wasn't even aware of such a list...?  Mailing lists go quiet if they 
aren't based on something concrete.  Heck, Web-SIG regularly goes quiet 
for months, but I still think it's useful.

> meanwhile, even 
> Nathan Torkington (of Perl Cookbook fame) is raving about Rails:
> 
>     Ruby on Rails is astounding. Using it is like watching a kung-fu
>     movie, where a dozen bad-ass frameworks prepare to beat up the
>     little newcomer only to be handed their asses in a variety of
>     imaginative ways.
>     (from http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/04/on_conferences.html)

Well then go and make some cool web applications and then come back and 
give feedback to the framework authors about what they could do to make 
that more pleasing.  Rinse and repeat, and talk about it in public all 
along the way, and we'll see what comes out of it.

-- 
Ian Bicking  /  ianb at colorstudy.com  /  http://blog.ianbicking.org