[Tutor] Python Editor to Start Out WithTutor Digest, Vol 92, Issue 123
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With reference to a beginning editor, if you want to go heavy-weight go
vim. Now I'm not a python expert, but I will say vim is prolly a little
harder than emacs, however scripting in vim has many similarities to
various types in python. The python forloop is definitely very similar to
that of vim. Plus, vim may be configured for use with ipython(enhanced
interactive python shell) But those are as previously mentioned very complex
editors. There are others that although aren't totally as powerful will
make things infinitely easier to learn. The thing that's nice about others
that are ready to roll once installed, the ease in use let's you focus on
learning the programming. Some of these more user friendly editors are:
spyder(python editor with lots of features), or geany, which is probably
the more widespread. These will with a click or few clicks provide
syntax+highlighting+syntax error-checking setup. This can be difficult in
the traditional text editors vim+ emacs,(I know vim) have to be compiled
with certain support, as well as then have plugins installed/created, and
alot of things configured. But if you wanna go w/a text editor+ python try
out swaroop's site. He has two books, A Byte of Python, and A Byte of Vim.
They are great for introduction stuff. But in the end learning one well
makes it far easier than learning both at the same time. Good Luck!!
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Today's Topics:
1. Setting Up Emacs (Rinu Boney)
2. Re: Setting Up Emacs (Steven D'Aprano)
3. Re: Setting Up Emacs (Tim Johnson)
4. Re: Setting Up Emacs (Alan Gauld)
5. Re: Setting Up Emacs (Tim Johnson)
6. Re: Method to create small and simple database (Joel M.)
7. Re: Setting Up Emacs (Bill Allen)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:53:04 +0530
From: Rinu Boney <rinu.matrix at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Tutor] Setting Up Emacs
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I am New To Python.
I Would Like To Setup Emacs As A Python IDE.
I Don't Know Anything About Emacs!
Can Someone Help Me ?
Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:25:23 +1100
From: Steven D'Aprano <steve at pearwood.info>
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Rinu Boney wrote:
> I am New To Python.
> I Would Like To Setup Emacs As A Python IDE.
> I Don't Know Anything About Emacs!
If you don't know anything about emacs, and you don't know anything
about Python, why do you want to make things ten times more difficult by
learning a new language AND the most heavyweight, complex editor at the
same time?
I recommend you use a more friendly editor. You haven't mentioned what
operating system you are using. If you are using Linux with the KDE
desktop, I recommend you use a good, modern GUI editor like Kate as your
editor. Other people might prefer different editors, but I've come to
like Kate the best.
Personally, I recommend against IDEs. I find that they are
over-complicated and get in the way. I've seen too many people
struggling because their IDE changes the way their code works. I
recommend you keep your code open in an editor, an interactive session
open in a good xterm, and a second xterm tab open for running your
script. That's my preference.
But, if you still want to use Emacs as a Python IDE, have you tried
searching for "python emacs ide"?
https://duckduckgo.com/html/?q=python%20emacs%20ide
--
Steven
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 07:53:15 -0800
From: Tim Johnson <tim at akwebsoft.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tutor] Setting Up Emacs
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* Steven D'Aprano <steve at pearwood.info> [111030 07:40]:
> Rinu Boney wrote:
> >I am New To Python.
> >I Would Like To Setup Emacs As A Python IDE.
> >I Don't Know Anything About Emacs!
>
> If you don't know anything about emacs, and you don't know anything
> about Python, why do you want to make things ten times more difficult by
> learning a new language AND the most heavyweight, complex editor at the
> same time?
>
> I recommend you use a more friendly editor. You haven't mentioned what
> operating system you are using. If you are using Linux with the KDE
> desktop, I recommend you use a good, modern GUI editor like Kate as your
> editor. Other people might prefer different editors, but I've come to
> like Kate the best.
I've used emacs extensively in the past and now use vim. They are
both rewarding to use, but to support Steven, it could be a
nightmare for Rinu to to learn both python and emacs or vim.
I believe that idle is part of the python distro on both linux and
darwin (Mac OSX). That is worth consideration, I would think.
If Rinu is on windows, there is pythonwin and there is an
extremely good, well supported and easy-to-learn shareware editor
called Boxer. I would recommend either to any programmer in a
windows environment.
> Personally, I recommend against IDEs. I find that they are
> over-complicated and get in the way. I've seen too many people
> struggling because their IDE changes the way their code works. I
> recommend you keep your code open in an editor, an interactive session
> open in a good xterm, and a second xterm tab open for running your
> script. That's my preference.
Yeah. What he said.
--
Tim
tim at tee jay forty nine dot com or akwebsoft dot com
http://www.akwebsoft.com
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:20:18 +0000
From: Alan Gauld <alan.gauld at btinternet.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tutor] Setting Up Emacs
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On 30/10/11 13:23, Rinu Boney wrote:
> I am New To Python.
Welcome to the group.
Do you know any other languages or are you new to programming
as well?
> I Would Like To Setup Emacs As A Python IDE.
> I Don't Know Anything About Emacs!
If you don;t know emacs then don;t bother.
emacs is a fantastic editor and general user environment but
it is big and complex and takes long time to gt "just right"
for you.
If you were already an emacs user I'd say go right ahead,
but as a newbie learning Python will be a big enough challenge.
If you are used to IDEs like MS Visual Studio or Eclipse then
the best bet is to use Eclipse with the PyDev plug-in.
(Or Netbeans if you prefer it to Eclipse, I've used and
liked both, and they both support Python well)
If you are on a Mac you can use the Apple XDeveloper
tools (XCode etc) or install Eclipse.
If you are not a died in the wool IDE user then try something
simpler like IDLE or Pythonwin for Windows (But the fact you
even mention Emacs suggests you are not using Windows)
Or go for the minimalist approach suggested by Stephen.
Many of us(including me) favor 3 separate windows
- a text editor to type the final code
- an interpreter to try out ideas and snippets
- A vanilla OS prompt to test the "production" code
Occasionally you may open a debugger window too,
but mostly in Python you don't need that.
HTH,
--
Alan G
Author of the Learn to Program web site
http://www.alan-g.me.uk/
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:41:48 -0800
From: Tim Johnson <tim at akwebsoft.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tutor] Setting Up Emacs
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* Alan Gauld <alan.gauld at btinternet.com> [111030 09:26]:
> On 30/10/11 13:23, Rinu Boney wrote:
> >I am New To Python.
>
> Welcome to the group.
> Do you know any other languages or are you new to programming
> as well?
>
> >I Would Like To Setup Emacs As A Python IDE.
> >I Don't Know Anything About Emacs!
>
> If you are on a Mac you can use the Apple XDeveloper
> tools (XCode etc) or install Eclipse.
> If you are not a died in the wool IDE user then try something
> simpler like IDLE or Pythonwin for Windows (But the fact you
> even mention Emacs suggests you are not using Windows)
IDLE came pre-installed on my mac. I believe that I had to add it
on my ubuntu PC.
--
Tim
tim at tee jay forty nine dot com or akwebsoft dot com
http://www.akwebsoft.com
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:33:23 -0400
From: "Joel M." <joelmontes01 at gmail.com>
To: Tutor Python <tutor at python.org>
Subject: Re: [Tutor] Method to create small and simple database
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On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Alan Gauld
<alan.gauld at btinternet.com>wrote:
> On 29/10/11 19:28, Joel Montes de Oca wrote:
>
> After looking at the Python module documentation for sqlite3
>>
(http://docs.python.org/**library/sqlite3.html#module-**sqlite3<http://docs.p
ython.org/library/sqlite3.html#module-sqlite3>),
>> it seems
>> to me it's the best way to make the small database that I am looking for.
>>
>
> SQLlite is a great way to build small scale SQL databases.
> However for this app I'd probably second the advice to use shelve.
> Shelve acts like a dictionary in a file so you can associate a list of
> items with a user very very easily.
>
>
>
> Now I need to look for a basic tutorial on constructing a simple
>> database (tables, rows, keys) and how to connect all that stuff
>> together. If anyone happens to know of a good intro tutorial or
>> documentation to database concepts, please forward it to me.
>>
>
> You can try the database topic in my tutorial(see below).
> It's only available for Python v2 at present but the translation
> to Python v3 (if that's what you are using) is trivial.
>
> --
> Alan G
> Author of the Learn to Program web site
> http://www.alan-g.me.uk/
>
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I will take a look into Shelve and Alan's tutorial sometime this coming
week.
Keep the suggestions coming if there's more. :)
-Joel M.
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:52:40 -0500
From: Bill Allen <wallenpb at gmail.com>
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> > On 30/10/11 13:23, Rinu Boney wrote:
> > >I am New To Python.
> >
>
> > >I Would Like To Setup Emacs As A Python IDE.
> > >I Don't Know Anything About Emacs!
> >
>
> As others have also mentioned, try IDLE. It comes packaged with Python
for Windows and is easily available for Python on Linux. It will do most
of what you really, really need.
--Bill
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