From cbc at unc.edu Sat Mar 3 00:57:00 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:57:00 -0500 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG March 2012 Meeting: Call For Talks Message-ID: <4F515E4C.3000203@unc.edu> Thanks to Mark Corzine, we will be meeting at SplatSpace again in March at the regular 7pm time: http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/mar-12-mtg/ You've got four weeks to think of and prepare talks. Right now the meeting topic says "Python Show and Tell," which is the default if we don't get any announced talks. You can change that to your topic by calling shotgun on your topic through this email list. A big thanks to Mark for approaching me at the last meeting and offering to host us at SplatSpace. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From dragonstrider at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 16:02:05 2012 From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph S. Tate) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:02:05 -0500 Subject: [TriZPUG] Job Posting Message-ID: Please see below; This company in Downtown Durham wants someone with Python, MySQL and MongoDB experience. Posting is through a recruiter, contacts below. Job Description: Software Engineer The company's software engineers develop cutting-edge, industry leading technologies which are helping to define the next-generation of digital media solutions. Our products and services are creating new opportunities for the digital media industry with regards to search, recommendations and navigation. Candidates should have a Bachelors Degree with 3+ years of extensive work experience, or equivalent, building web-based software products and services, ideally utilizing open-source tools, in a team environment. The main duties of this position are as follows: ? Participate in iteration and release planning. ? Deliver high quality products and services to our customers. ? Adhere to core design, development and testing principles set by team. ? Produce clear and thorough technical documentation. ? Other duties as needed. Job Requirements and Qualifications include the following: ? Demonstrated competence in software engineering in a Linux environment. ? Demonstrated aptitude with programming (Java is a plus) and scripting languages (Python is a plus). ? Demonstrated competence with relational database design and development (MySQL is a plus). ? Experience with source control systems (SVN is a plus). ? Exposure to NoSQL/document database technology (MongoDB, Hadoop, Voldemort). ? Exposure to web service development (REST, JSON and XML). ? Exposure to unit testing and unit test tools. ? Excellent written and oral communication skills. Other Skills and Technologies that are desirable include: ? Agile Software Development methodologies. ? Familiarity with streaming media and transcoding technologies. If you have any questions or concerns please don?t hesitate to reach out to me! Thank you and again I look forward to seeing you this afternoon! Tristan Manley Technical Recruiter THE SELECT GROUP Direct: 919.459.1109 | Cell: 336.456.2321 Tristan at theselectgroup.com 5420 Wade Park Blvd. Ste 100 | Raleigh, NC 27607 -- Joseph Tate Personal e-mail: jtate AT dragonstrider DOT com Web: http://www.dragonstrider.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hola at ericbeurre.com Mon Mar 12 22:26:08 2012 From: hola at ericbeurre.com (Eric Butter) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:26:08 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Hackathon for 20-somethings in woods near Southpoint next Friday Message-ID: TriZPUGers: Apologies for posting even though I have yet to attend an event (I have developed quite a few pylons/pyramid web applications, and I would love to get more involved in the group!) If any of you are 20-something (or young at heart, perhaps ...), this is an open invitation to join me for an a-professional hackathon next Friday in the woods near Southpoint. Please email me for the address. More details are below. Cheers, Eric Butter hola at ericbeurre.com (607-759-5959) ** I just confirmed space for the first "barely socially functional" hackathon (hard/soft/wetware) at a really tight house in the woods near Southpoint, on Friday, March 23. We will have a couple kegs (possibly from Fullsteam -- still negotiating that out, not officially allowed). We are appealing to 20-something engineers in Durham and students who love building and creating. We have plenty of space to crash for the night, if people want to keep the nerd party rolling into the morning. We ask people to bring project ideas, or crazy skills to help others get their nerdy projects on a roll. No business-related projects allowed -- this is a purely social event. 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URL: From magnus at yonderway.com Mon Mar 12 23:28:16 2012 From: magnus at yonderway.com (Magnus) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:28:16 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Hackathon for 20-somethings in woods near Southpoint next Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <908EE605-5EDE-4928-B97D-EAC24BA5E6F8@yonderway.com> OK OK this old fart gets the message. -M On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Eric Butter wrote: > TriZPUGers: > > Apologies for posting even though I have yet to attend an event (I have developed quite a few pylons/pyramid web applications, and I would love to get more involved in the group!) > > If any of you are 20-something (or young at heart, perhaps ...), this is an open invitation to join me for an a-professional hackathon next Friday in the woods near Southpoint. Please email me for the address. More details are below. > > Cheers, > > Eric Butter > hola at ericbeurre.com > (607-759-5959) > > ** > > I just confirmed space for the first "barely socially functional" hackathon (hard/soft/wetware) at a really tight house in the woods near Southpoint, on Friday, March 23. > > We will have a couple kegs (possibly from Fullsteam -- still negotiating that out, not officially allowed). We are appealing to 20-something engineers in Durham and students who love building and creating. We have plenty of space to crash for the night, if people want to keep the nerd party rolling into the morning. > > We ask people to bring project ideas, or crazy skills to help others get their nerdy projects on a roll. No business-related projects allowed -- this is a purely social event. People should email me for the address (or to meet me before the event, if they would like!), and post their project ideas here (bit.ly/barelysociallyfunctional). > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lionface.lemonface at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 00:00:41 2012 From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com (lionface.lemonface at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:00:41 +0000 Subject: [TriZPUG] Hackathon for 20-somethings in woods near Southpoint next Friday In-Reply-To: <908EE605-5EDE-4928-B97D-EAC24BA5E6F8@yonderway.com> References: <908EE605-5EDE-4928-B97D-EAC24BA5E6F8@yonderway.com> Message-ID: <143890211-1331593242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-904522781-@b15.c12.bise6.blackberry> Yeah, spending time out in the woods behind the mall sounds like something a bunch of 20-somethings would do ;) JJ Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: Magnus Sender: trizpug-bounces+lionface.lemonface=gmail.com at python.org Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:28:16 To: Triangle \(North Carolina\) Zope and Python Users Group Reply-To: "Triangle \(North Carolina\) Zope and Python Users Group" Subject: Re: [TriZPUG] Hackathon for 20-somethings in woods near Southpoint next Friday _______________________________________________ TriZPUG mailing list TriZPUG at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From hola at ericbeurre.com Tue Mar 13 12:48:01 2012 From: hola at ericbeurre.com (Eric Butter) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:48:01 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Digest, Vol 47, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: haha got to shake it while we have it, right? On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > Send TriZPUG mailing list submissions to > trizpug at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trizpug-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trizpug-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TriZPUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Hackathon for 20-somethings in woods near Southpoint next > Friday (Eric Butter) > 2. Re: Hackathon for 20-somethings in woods near Southpoint next > Friday (Magnus) > 3. Re: Hackathon for 20-somethings in woods near Southpoint next > Friday (lionface.lemonface at gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:26:08 -0400 > From: Eric Butter > To: trizpug at python.org > Subject: [TriZPUG] Hackathon for 20-somethings in woods near > Southpoint next Friday > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > TriZPUGers: > > Apologies for posting even though I have yet to attend an event (I have > developed quite a few pylons/pyramid web applications, and I would love to > get more involved in the group!) > > If any of you are 20-something (or young at heart, perhaps ...), this is an > open invitation to join me for an a-professional hackathon next Friday in > the woods near Southpoint. Please email me for the address. More details > are below. > > Cheers, > > Eric Butter > hola at ericbeurre.com > (607-759-5959) > > ** > > I just confirmed space for the first "barely socially functional" hackathon > (hard/soft/wetware) at a really tight house in the woods near Southpoint, > on Friday, March 23. > > We will have a couple kegs (possibly from Fullsteam -- still negotiating > that out, not officially allowed). We are appealing to 20-something > engineers in Durham and students who love building > and creating. We have plenty of space to crash for the night, if people > want to keep the nerd party rolling into the morning. > > We ask people to bring project ideas, or crazy skills to help others get > their nerdy projects on a roll. No business-related projects allowed -- > this is a purely social event. People should email me for the address (or > to meet me before the event, if they would like!), and post their project > ideas here (bit.ly/barelysociallyfunctional). > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/trizpug/attachments/20120312/ede49c3e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:28:16 -0400 > From: Magnus > To: "Triangle \(North Carolina\) Zope and Python Users Group" > > Subject: Re: [TriZPUG] Hackathon for 20-somethings in woods near > Southpoint next Friday > Message-ID: <908EE605-5EDE-4928-B97D-EAC24BA5E6F8 at yonderway.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > OK OK this old fart gets the message. > > -M > > On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Eric Butter wrote: > > > TriZPUGers: > > > > Apologies for posting even though I have yet to attend an event (I have > developed quite a few pylons/pyramid web applications, and I would love to > get more involved in the group!) > > > > If any of you are 20-something (or young at heart, perhaps ...), this is > an open invitation to join me for an a-professional hackathon next Friday > in the woods near Southpoint. Please email me for the address. More > details are below. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Eric Butter > > hola at ericbeurre.com > > (607-759-5959) > > > > ** > > > > I just confirmed space for the first "barely socially functional" > hackathon (hard/soft/wetware) at a really tight house in the woods near > Southpoint, on Friday, March 23. > > > > We will have a couple kegs (possibly from Fullsteam -- still negotiating > that out, not officially allowed). We are appealing to 20-something > engineers in Durham and students who love building > and creating. We have plenty of space to crash for the night, if people > want to keep the nerd party rolling into the morning. > > > > We ask people to bring project ideas, or crazy skills to help others get > their nerdy projects on a roll. No business-related projects allowed -- > this is a purely social event. People should email me for the address (or > to meet me before the event, if they would like!), and post their project > ideas here (bit.ly/barelysociallyfunctional). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/trizpug/attachments/20120312/f176626e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 23:00:41 +0000 > From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com > To: "Triangle \(North Carolina\) Zope and Python Users Group" > > Subject: Re: [TriZPUG] Hackathon for 20-somethings in woods near > Southpoint next Friday > Message-ID: > > <143890211-1331593242-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-904522781- at b15.c12.bise6.blackberry > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Yeah, spending time out in the woods behind the mall sounds like something > a bunch of 20-somethings would do ;) > > JJ > Sent on the Sprint? 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URL: From mhrivnak at hrivnak.org Thu Mar 15 17:00:46 2012 From: mhrivnak at hrivnak.org (Michael Hrivnak) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:00:46 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] =?windows-1252?q?Non-profit_opportunity=3A_Support_usin?= =?windows-1252?q?g_Food_Stamps_at_NC_Farmer=92s_Markets?= In-Reply-To: <6ec0e5e2-bb8e-4710-ba39-9c0a3f8e5c4e@luna> References: <4F4540F6.8060203@unc.edu> <6ec0e5e2-bb8e-4710-ba39-9c0a3f8e5c4e@luna> Message-ID: This sounds like a great opportunity to make it an open source project. Lots of us would likely be happy to jump on github and knock out a new feature or fix a couple of bugs, even if we couldn't commit to the responsibility of owning the project. I could even imagine an organized weekend sprint happening once in a while. Michael On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Robby Dermody wrote: > Thanks Chris, > > I've posted this opportunity on this list as well as a few others and have a > number of people interested. > > Very appreciative of the generosity of the community for a worthwhile cause > like this! > > Robby > > ________________________________ > From: "Chris Calloway" > To: trizpug at python.org > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:24:38 PM > Subject: Re: [TriZPUG] Non-profit opportunity: Support using Food Stamps at > NC Farmer?s Markets > > > Although I can't take this opportunity, I'd like to endorse it. The > ability to accept SNAP at farmer's markets has some far reaching effects > in nutritional health and transportation energy savings. I hope somebody > in our group answers this call. > > -- > Sincerely, > > Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc > office: 3313 Venable Hall ? phone: (919) 599-3530 > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 > > On 2/20/2012 8:25 PM, Robby Dermody wrote: >> I have a great 5-10 hours/month opportunity with someone with decent >> software development skills. I work with a company called Leaflight, who >> handles the acceptance of SNAP (Food Stamps) and Credit Cards at a large >> percentage of the farmers? markets in the state. It?s a good >> organization that?s been around for about 10 years now and is run my >> great people that truly care about helping people eat well and eat >> local, no matter what their socioeconomic background. >> >> This past year I built a web frontend/portal system for them (Django, >> MySQL, etc) that allows Farm Market managers to submit sales (token >> receipts) online, instead of having to fill out a paper form. This >> system works very well, and they?d like to expand on it, as well as >> taking on additional opportunities, such as mobile client development >> and development of a client on a cutting edge POS (point of sale) >> platform. I?ve been responsible for helping them out on the technology >> side for the past year, but unfortunately, I can?t commit the time I?d >> like to the project anymore as my growing business is consuming pretty >> much all of it. >> >> This is a great opportunity for anyone would like to put their skills to >> a very worthwhile use, as well as picking up new and interesting >> technology along the way. As I said before, the time commitment is >> rather minimal (5-10 hours per month I?d estimate). It is a volunteer >> position, and the ideal candidate would have a few years of development >> under his or her belt, along with being a self-learner/self-starter. >> Python/Django experience is welcome, but not required (you'd be free to >> use any technology you want for anything else but this one existing >> project). >> >> If you?re interested, email me personally at robbyd at paramise.com >> >> Thanks! >> >> Robby > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From cbc at unc.edu Fri Mar 16 13:30:05 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:30:05 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG March 2012 Meeting: Call For Talks In-Reply-To: <4F515E4C.3000203@unc.edu> References: <4F515E4C.3000203@unc.edu> Message-ID: <4F63324D.8070001@unc.edu> Reminder about the meeting next week at SplatSpace. I'm hoping that since PyCon just finished up that someone may have a talk to present. Otherwise you'll get my ramblings about whatever I was doing with Python this week. :) On 3/2/2012 6:57 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > Thanks to Mark Corzine, we will be meeting at SplatSpace again in March > at the regular 7pm time: > > http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/mar-12-mtg/ > > You've got four weeks to think of and prepare talks. Right now the > meeting topic says "Python Show and Tell," which is the default if we > don't get any announced talks. You can change that to your topic by > calling shotgun on your topic through this email list. > > A big thanks to Mark for approaching me at the last meeting and offering > to host us at SplatSpace. > -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From curt at curtstump.com Fri Mar 16 17:08:49 2012 From: curt at curtstump.com (Curt Stump) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:08:49 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG March 2012 Meeting: Call For Talks In-Reply-To: <4F63324D.8070001@unc.edu> References: <4F515E4C.3000203@unc.edu> <4F63324D.8070001@unc.edu> Message-ID: <4F636591.2000507@curtstump.com> Hi Chris, I went to Pycon and could present something brief, not that technical (e.g. a summary of some initiatives I heard about at Pycon, with links to the videos). Just keep in mind I went to Pycon as a newbie, so it's likely the group will already know about things that were new to me. As a stretch goal, a technical option would be for me to get Pandas up and running and talk about it (http://pandas.pydata.org/). This is a data analysis library that I would like to learn, and that was highlighted at Pycon. I can experiment with that over the weekend and let you know. Curt On 3/16/12 8:30 AM, Chris Calloway wrote: > Reminder about the meeting next week at SplatSpace. I'm hoping that > since PyCon just finished up that someone may have a talk to present. > Otherwise you'll get my ramblings about whatever I was doing with > Python this week. :) > > On 3/2/2012 6:57 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: >> Thanks to Mark Corzine, we will be meeting at SplatSpace again in March >> at the regular 7pm time: >> >> http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/mar-12-mtg/ >> >> You've got four weeks to think of and prepare talks. Right now the >> meeting topic says "Python Show and Tell," which is the default if we >> don't get any announced talks. You can change that to your topic by >> calling shotgun on your topic through this email list. >> >> A big thanks to Mark for approaching me at the last meeting and offering >> to host us at SplatSpace. >> > > From cbc at unc.edu Tue Mar 20 17:23:04 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 12:23:04 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Fwd: UG News: Save 50% on New & Top Python Titles. One Week Only In-Reply-To: <1332259582.1981.0.034349@post.oreilly.com> References: <1332259582.1981.0.034349@post.oreilly.com> Message-ID: <4F68AEE8.1020901@unc.edu> I'm forwarding this user group newsletter from O'Reilly because it's all about Python. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: UG News: Save 50% on New & Top Python Titles. 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Bring your PyCon 2012 reports, long form and short form. http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/mar-12-mtg/ What: TriZPUG Meeting When: Thursday March 22, 7pm. Where: SplatSpace, 331 W. Main St, Durham -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From curt at curtstump.com Wed Mar 21 16:42:56 2012 From: curt at curtstump.com (Curt Stump) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:42:56 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG March 2012 Meeting: PyCon Lightning Talks In-Reply-To: <4F68DDAB.3060600@unc.edu> References: <4F515E4C.3000203@unc.edu> <4F63324D.8070001@unc.edu> <4F636591.2000507@curtstump.com> <4F68DDAB.3060600@unc.edu> Message-ID: <4F69F700.3050208@curtstump.com> Hi Chris, I'm afraid I have a conflict that I didn't know about until today. I just found out about a Bull City Forward event that as a member I really need to attend. It's at the same time as trizpug this month. Sorry about that! Perhaps next month I can present on Pandas and PyData as a lightning talk. --Curt On 3/20/12 3:42 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > On 3/16/2012 12:08 PM, Curt Stump wrote: >> I went to Pycon and could present something brief > > [...] > > I can experiment with [Pandas] over the weekend and >> let you know. > > Thanks, Curt, for stepping up and as a result the title of the meeting > on Thursday is "PyCon 2012 Lightning Talks." Bring your PyCon 2012 > reports, long form and short form. > > http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/mar-12-mtg/ > > What: TriZPUG Meeting > When: Thursday March 22, 7pm. > Where: SplatSpace, 331 W. Main St, Durham > From cbc at unc.edu Thu Mar 22 20:48:13 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:48:13 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] PyCon 2012 Video Message-ID: <4F6B81FD.1060906@unc.edu> Fresh today from the conference AV team and just in time for tonight's meeting: http://pyvideo.org/category/17/pycon-us-2012 Funny thing. I was going through looking for PyCon 2012 videos by TriZPUGers and stumbled upon this one by Kurt Grandis, which I had already seen earlier in the day featured on Metafilter: http://pyvideo.org/video/674/militarizing-your-backyard-with-python-computer http://www.metafilter.com/114087/You-are-on-your-own-for-moose -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From kgrandis at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 07:13:39 2012 From: kgrandis at gmail.com (Kurt Grandis) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:13:39 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group Message-ID: Hey folks, Thanks to everyone who came out last night and special thanks to everyone who spoke and presented a little something. I did want to mention some news that came out of last night's meeting for those who couldn't make it out. People have often mistaken this group's name as the Triangle Zope and Plone User Group. This has never been the case, but nonetheless it has caused some confusion and contributed to people looking past or dismissing our group. Last night members overwhelming voted to change our name to TriPython. We hope that the name change will improve search results, help attract new participants, and encourage lurkers to come out and talk Python. To that end, I'ld like to make a call to anyone on the list who would be interested in participating in a rebranding and messaging workgroup. A name change is nice and I believe will be beneficial, but I think it's important to also take this opportunity to re-examine how we present ourselves to the local community--hackers, hobbyists, professionals, and businesses alike. If you're interested and more importantly, willing to do some work, drop me an email and we'll start coordinating these changes. Until we circulate a transition plan, please continue to use our existing resources, websites, mailing lists, etc as TriZPUG. 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Now Network from my BlackBerry? -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Grandis Sender: trizpug-bounces+lionface.lemonface=gmail.com at python.org Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:13:39 To: Reply-To: "Triangle \(North Carolina\) Zope and Python Users Group" Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group _______________________________________________ TriZPUG mailing list TriZPUG at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From daemianmack at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 12:57:54 2012 From: daemianmack at gmail.com (daemian mack) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:57:54 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: <2101929524-1332498758-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1871398837-@b3.c12.bise6.blackberry> References: <2101929524-1332498758-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1871398837-@b3.c12.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: Awesome. I agree the old name had some unfortunate yesteryear connotations. I'm a bit strapped for time most days, but I'd love to help out where possible; let me know what's needed. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:32 AM, wrote: > Wow that's big news! > > Ill do whatever I can to help. > > JJ > Sent on the Sprint? 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URL: From ironfroggy at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 14:46:24 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:46:24 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the announcement, Kurt. I'm very excited for all this, and not just for a simple renaming. I think we came to some strong conclusions last night that if there are things we think the group should be, then we're going to need to make that happen. This is a symbolic gesture that, coupled with new plans and ideas executed beside it, could ramp up the python involvement in this area in a big way. There are a lot of us here, probably far more than are in this one group, and we can make more! On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Kurt Grandis wrote: > Hey folks, > > Thanks to everyone who came out last night and special thanks to everyone > who spoke and presented a little something. > > I did want to mention some news that came out of last night's meeting for > those who couldn't make it out. People have often mistaken this group's > name as the Triangle Zope and Plone User Group. This has never been the > case, but nonetheless it has caused some confusion and contributed to > people looking past or dismissing our group. Last night members > overwhelming voted to change our name to TriPython. > > We hope that the name change will improve search results, help attract new > participants, and encourage lurkers to come out and talk Python. To that > end, I'ld like to make a call to anyone on the list who would be interested > in participating in a rebranding and messaging workgroup. A name change is > nice and I believe will be beneficial, but I think it's important to also > take this opportunity to re-examine how we present ourselves to the local > community--hackers, hobbyists, professionals, and businesses alike. If > you're interested and more importantly, willing to do some work, drop me an > email and we'll start coordinating these changes. Until we circulate a > transition plan, please continue to use our existing resources, websites, > mailing lists, etc as TriZPUG. > > Chris reminded us last night that we're coming up on our ten year > anniversary. Very exciting and I look forward to watching the community > continue to grow. > > -Kurt > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! 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I'd be more than happy to draw up some logo ideas to start with if you all would like. Also, Steven posted the sites code on github for anyone to use. It includes a python api client for meetup.com: https://github.com/pythonkc/pythonkc-meetups https://github.com/pythonkc/pythonkc.com There was also talk of using the pythonkc github repo to post projects that the group worked on together. Looking forward to meeting all of you and joining the TriPython users group! Julia On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > Thanks for the announcement, Kurt. > > I'm very excited for all this, and not just for a simple renaming. I think > we came to some strong conclusions last night that if there are things we > think the group should be, then we're going to need to make that happen. > This is a symbolic gesture that, coupled with new plans and ideas executed > beside it, could ramp up the python involvement in this area in a big way. > There are a lot of us here, probably far more than are in this one group, > and we can make more! > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Kurt Grandis wrote: > >> Hey folks, >> >> Thanks to everyone who came out last night and special thanks to everyone >> who spoke and presented a little something. >> >> I did want to mention some news that came out of last night's meeting for >> those who couldn't make it out. People have often mistaken this group's >> name as the Triangle Zope and Plone User Group. This has never been the >> case, but nonetheless it has caused some confusion and contributed to >> people looking past or dismissing our group. Last night members >> overwhelming voted to change our name to TriPython. >> >> We hope that the name change will improve search results, help attract >> new participants, and encourage lurkers to come out and talk Python. To >> that end, I'ld like to make a call to anyone on the list who would be >> interested in participating in a rebranding and messaging workgroup. A name >> change is nice and I believe will be beneficial, but I think it's important >> to also take this opportunity to re-examine how we present ourselves to the >> local community--hackers, hobbyists, professionals, and businesses alike. >> If you're interested and more importantly, willing to do some work, drop me >> an email and we'll start coordinating these changes. Until we circulate a >> transition plan, please continue to use our existing resources, websites, >> mailing lists, etc as TriZPUG. >> >> Chris reminded us last night that we're coming up on our ten year >> anniversary. 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I work with Calvin and the rest of the team at Caktus Group in > Carrboro. > > I wanted to come to the meeting last night, but had some family obligations > to attend to. > > There is a pretty active Python users group in KC called PythonKC that I > belonged to. I helped do the branding for http://pythonkc.com and worked > with Steven Cummings (a developer at Cerner) to build out the site. I'd > love the opportunity to work on the branding for Tripython! I'd be more > than happy to draw up some logo ideas to start with if you all would like. > > Also, Steven posted the sites code on github for anyone to use. It includes > a python api client for meetup.com: > > https://github.com/pythonkc/pythonkc-meetups > https://github.com/pythonkc/pythonkc.com > > There was also talk of using the pythonkc github repo to post projects that > the group worked on together. > > Looking forward to meeting all of you and joining the TriPython users group! > > Julia > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > > Thanks for the announcement, Kurt. > > > > I'm very excited for all this, and not just for a simple renaming. I think > > we came to some strong conclusions last night that if there are things we > > think the group should be, then we're going to need to make that happen. > > This is a symbolic gesture that, coupled with new plans and ideas executed > > beside it, could ramp up the python involvement in this area in a big way. > > There are a lot of us here, probably far more than are in this one group, > > and we can make more! > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Kurt Grandis wrote: > > > >> Hey folks, > >> > >> Thanks to everyone who came out last night and special thanks to everyone > >> who spoke and presented a little something. > >> > >> I did want to mention some news that came out of last night's meeting for > >> those who couldn't make it out. People have often mistaken this group's > >> name as the Triangle Zope and Plone User Group. This has never been the > >> case, but nonetheless it has caused some confusion and contributed to > >> people looking past or dismissing our group. Last night members > >> overwhelming voted to change our name to TriPython. > >> > >> We hope that the name change will improve search results, help attract > >> new participants, and encourage lurkers to come out and talk Python. To > >> that end, I'ld like to make a call to anyone on the list who would be > >> interested in participating in a rebranding and messaging workgroup. A name > >> change is nice and I believe will be beneficial, but I think it's important > >> to also take this opportunity to re-examine how we present ourselves to the > >> local community--hackers, hobbyists, professionals, and businesses alike. > >> If you're interested and more importantly, willing to do some work, drop me > >> an email and we'll start coordinating these changes. Until we circulate a > >> transition plan, please continue to use our existing resources, websites, > >> mailing lists, etc as TriZPUG. > >> > >> Chris reminded us last night that we're coming up on our ten year > >> anniversary. Very exciting and I look forward to watching the community > >> continue to grow. > >> > >> -Kurt > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TriZPUG mailing list > >> TriZPUG at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From chris at archimedeanco.com Fri Mar 23 16:12:20 2012 From: chris at archimedeanco.com (Chris Rossi) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:12:20 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: <20120323151017.GA1898@teckla.idyll.org> References: <20120323151017.GA1898@teckla.idyll.org> Message-ID: Trinacria with serpents: http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/travel/Sicily/Trinacria/trinacria-default.jpg Chris On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Tristan wrote: > I don't know how heretical this might sound against the standard > pythong logo, but I can imagine (altho not draw) a sort of triple set of > pythons intertwined in a triangle shape. Could even leave the current > pug mascot in the middle as a inside joke. (Possibly too cheesy) Even > color each python to certain high profile team colors from their > respective cities' universities ;) > > > Tristan > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 09:57:02AM -0400, Julia Elman wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > My name is Julia and have recently moved to the Triangle area from Kansas > > City. I work with Calvin and the rest of the team at Caktus Group in > > Carrboro. > > > > I wanted to come to the meeting last night, but had some family > obligations > > to attend to. > > > > There is a pretty active Python users group in KC called PythonKC that I > > belonged to. I helped do the branding for http://pythonkc.com and worked > > with Steven Cummings (a developer at Cerner) to build out the site. I'd > > love the opportunity to work on the branding for Tripython! I'd be more > > than happy to draw up some logo ideas to start with if you all would > like. > > > > Also, Steven posted the sites code on github for anyone to use. It > includes > > a python api client for meetup.com: > > > > https://github.com/pythonkc/pythonkc-meetups > > https://github.com/pythonkc/pythonkc.com > > > > There was also talk of using the pythonkc github repo to post projects > that > > the group worked on together. > > > > Looking forward to meeting all of you and joining the TriPython users > group! > > > > Julia > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Calvin Spealman >wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the announcement, Kurt. > > > > > > I'm very excited for all this, and not just for a simple renaming. I > think > > > we came to some strong conclusions last night that if there are things > we > > > think the group should be, then we're going to need to make that > happen. > > > This is a symbolic gesture that, coupled with new plans and ideas > executed > > > beside it, could ramp up the python involvement in this area in a big > way. > > > There are a lot of us here, probably far more than are in this one > group, > > > and we can make more! > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Kurt Grandis > wrote: > > > > > >> Hey folks, > > >> > > >> Thanks to everyone who came out last night and special thanks to > everyone > > >> who spoke and presented a little something. > > >> > > >> I did want to mention some news that came out of last night's meeting > for > > >> those who couldn't make it out. People have often mistaken this > group's > > >> name as the Triangle Zope and Plone User Group. This has never been > the > > >> case, but nonetheless it has caused some confusion and contributed to > > >> people looking past or dismissing our group. Last night members > > >> overwhelming voted to change our name to TriPython. > > >> > > >> We hope that the name change will improve search results, help attract > > >> new participants, and encourage lurkers to come out and talk Python. > To > > >> that end, I'ld like to make a call to anyone on the list who would be > > >> interested in participating in a rebranding and messaging workgroup. > A name > > >> change is nice and I believe will be beneficial, but I think it's > important > > >> to also take this opportunity to re-examine how we present ourselves > to the > > >> local community--hackers, hobbyists, professionals, and businesses > alike. > > >> If you're interested and more importantly, willing to do some work, > drop me > > >> an email and we'll start coordinating these changes. Until we > circulate a > > >> transition plan, please continue to use our existing resources, > websites, > > >> mailing lists, etc as TriZPUG. > > >> > > >> Chris reminded us last night that we're coming up on our ten year > > >> anniversary. Very exciting and I look forward to watching the > community > > >> continue to grow. > > >> > > >> -Kurt > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> TriZPUG mailing list > > >> TriZPUG at python.org > > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > >> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am > interesting! > > > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > > > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > > > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TriZPUG mailing list > > > TriZPUG at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TriZPUG mailing list > > TriZPUG at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was going through looking for PyCon 2012 videos by > TriZPUGers and stumbled upon this one by Kurt Grandis, which I had already > seen earlier in the day featured on Metafilter: > > http://pyvideo.org/video/674/**militarizing-your-backyard-** > with-python-computer > > http://www.metafilter.com/**114087/You-are-on-your-own-**for-moose > > -- > Sincerely, > > Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc > office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 > mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 > ______________________________**_________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -- Joseph Tate Personal e-mail: jtate AT dragonstrider DOT com Web: http://www.dragonstrider.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Hey kids! Find the pug in this picture!" http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00755/snakemain_755756a.jpg Seriously, TriPython is a nice name! As Chris indicated, there's a rich history of triskelion imagery we could adapt: http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6097/6344136538_bf0624337d.jpg http://www.youbelongin.com/images/mandala-triskle.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uEOlelG5sMM/STTH_xEFISI/AAAAAAAAAI0/qLDy5VVaNoA/s320/650px-Triskele-hollow-triangle_svg.png http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs38/f/2008/361/c/9/Triskelion_by_lothiem.jpg Yeah, we just put some snake heads on those bad boys. (I am not entirely kidding.) =jimA= Jim Allman Interrobang Digital Media http://www.ibang.com/ (919) 649-5760 From cbc at unc.edu Fri Mar 23 19:47:09 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:47:09 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F6CC52D.20808@unc.edu> On 3/23/2012 2:13 AM, Kurt Grandis wrote: > Chris reminded us last night that we're coming up on our ten year > anniversary. I've been looking for a way to commemorate our tenth anniversary, which occurs in October this year. And this re-identification seems like the perfect way to do that, especially if it means more do-ers doing things in the do-acracy (HACK! NIGHT! PLEASE!). Ten years on, we're still as relevant as ever and still growing. I promised to post some things. And the first one of these things fits really nicely into this sudden energy thing. It's a talk from CUSEC 2012 by Bret Victor, the guy who invented the iPad interface, the Alesis Micron, and a bunch of other stuff I bet most of you have used and thought were really really well done. It's a talk somewhat about immediate feedback, which our host Mark Corzine was touching upon at the after-meeting last night. And it's also a talk about having guiding principles and knowing what your motivations are: http://flowingdata.com/2012/02/20/live-coding-and-inventing-on-principle/ I don't agree one hundred percent with everything is he says (the guy has way too madd skillz to be slagging on skillz). And I'm not much for navel-gazing meta-hacking. But it is an amazing talk I think all TriZPUGers should see, if only for the super cool programming apps in it. It's good to know one's motivations. So that you can evaluate your guiding principles. To see if they are really going to get you what you want. Also, for Joseph (and Jim, too!), this is d3.js: http://mbostock.github.com/d3/ And this is the crazy d3 designer app inspired by Bret's talk: http://gabrielflor.it/water Finally, as long as we are doing some user group self-reflection, here are two relevant PyCon 2012 videos: http://pyvideo.org/video/691/1-psf-sprints-supporting-the-community-one-spr http://pyvideo.org/video/719/diversity-in-practice-how-the-boston-python-user I don't subscribe to every idea within those videos. But I think they are food for thought. About our principles and motivations. Stir the pot every once in awhile. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From curt at curtstump.com Fri Mar 23 22:39:56 2012 From: curt at curtstump.com (Curt Stump) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:39:56 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: <4F6CC52D.20808@unc.edu> References: <4F6CC52D.20808@unc.edu> Message-ID: <4F6CEDAC.2030404@curtstump.com> Hi TriZPUG, Since the group is in the process of rethinking its focus I'm going to go out on a dangerous limb here and provide feedback as a newcomer to the group. I've attended only a few meetups. Keep in mind, what follows is just my /opinion/. If you are interested in newcomers: 1) *A name change is a fantastic idea*. I avoided coming for several months initially simply because of the Zope reference/focus. I am seeking Python. 2) *Use the meetup website *instead of mail lists and trizpug website. Benefits: A) the group looks bigger and more active to newcomers [and importantly to those who are considering joining], B) group communication will be easier than the mixed/top/bottom/full replies that now show up in long email chains. Members would of course need to join meetup but that's pretty easy. Then to attend specific meetups you simply click "attend" in an email that's sent to you. It's a pretty easy way to increase your online visibility as a group. 3) *Arrange a speaker in advance* for each month. Advantages: speaker has time to prepare a good presentation, and members will know about the topic in advance (and can publicize it). Putting this information on meetup also gives newcomers an idea of what to expect over time. 4) *Leave plenty of time for open discussion*, lightning talks, etc. (something you are already doing). This means there is always a reason to come to the meetups independent of topic. 5) *Connect with newcomers*, even if this means spending a bit of extra effort. What I seek from a local Python group is not just a meetup once per month but people I can interact with about Python in the meantime (even if briefly via twitter or any quick means). The trizpug group email list is an option for this, but I don't see the list being used this way (which I think is actually a good thing). Summary on this point: existing members probably already have a local Python network whereas newcomers may not. You can help them get connected, even by simply encouraging existing members to reach out to new members. 6) *Ask for feedback.* Quick feedback (even anonymous if desired) is easy with a tool like Survey Monkey for example (or even directly on meetup.com for simple polls). Also, members could set up surveys to test practically any idea with the group, such as identifying potential speakers, desired topics, group meeting times or location preferences, etc. Remember, this is just my opinion, I'm not planning to defend any of those points. Take them if they make sense for your group, otherwise just leave them. Also I'm happy to volunteer time to the group in areas where I can. Thanks for hosting the meetups -- I've enjoyed them so far and hope to make future ones. Curt Stump email: create at curtstump.com linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/curtstump twitter: @CurtStump -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ironfroggy at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 22:57:47 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:57:47 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: <4F6CEDAC.2030404@curtstump.com> References: <4F6CC52D.20808@unc.edu> <4F6CEDAC.2030404@curtstump.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Curt Stump wrote: > Hi TriZPUG, > > Since the group is in the process of rethinking its focus I'm going to go > out on a dangerous limb here and provide feedback as a newcomer to the > group. I've attended only a few meetups. Keep in mind, what follows is > just my *opinion*. > > If you are interested in newcomers: > 1) *A name change is a fantastic idea*. I avoided coming for several > months initially simply because of the Zope reference/focus. I am seeking > Python. > 2) *Use the meetup website *instead of mail lists and trizpug website. > Benefits: A) the group looks bigger and more active to newcomers [and > importantly to those who are considering joining], B) group communication > will be easier than the mixed/top/bottom/full replies that now show up in > long email chains. Members would of course need to join meetup but that's > pretty easy. Then to attend specific meetups you simply click "attend" in > an email that's sent to you. It's a pretty easy way to increase your > online visibility as a group. > I'll be doing my part to encourage meetup.com usage, and I would really like to see more people *actually* RSVP. This does make the group look more attractive to others. Seeing zero or a few people listed as attending, even when more showed up, is only bad PR for us, so I agree here. However, I don't think we will or should move from the mailing list.., fact is, a mailing list is a tried and truish communication tool for technical groups and a lot of us are familiar with them, and they let you see whats going on without having to go out to yet another site to check for updates. My email inbox is my life inbox! > 3) *Arrange a speaker in advance* for each month. Advantages: speaker > has time to prepare a good presentation, and members will know about the > topic in advance (and can publicize it). Putting this information on > meetup also gives newcomers an idea of what to expect over time. > Speakers cannot be "arranged" when they are free, but anyone can volunteer. We could, of course, encourage this sooner/louder. Want to present something in April? Let us know! One idea: maybe we could alternate lightning talk and single longer talks, and on the lightning talk months we'll have time to find and encourage a more prepared full talk for the next month. > 4) *Leave plenty of time for open discussion*, lightning talks, etc. > (something you are already doing). This means there is always a reason to > come to the meetups independent of topic. > There is always time to discuss afterwards, too, when we go out for drinks. > 5) *Connect with newcomers*, even if this means spending a bit of extra > effort. What I seek from a local Python group is not just a meetup once per > month but people I can interact with about Python in the meantime (even if > briefly via twitter or any quick means). The trizpug group email list is > an option for this, but I don't see the list being used this way (which I > think is actually a good thing). Summary on this point: existing members > probably already have a local Python network whereas newcomers may not. > You can help them get connected, even by simply encouraging existing > members to reach out to new members. > As a newcomer you are connecting right here, right now. What are you working on? What are you interested in? Let us know (on a different thread)! > 6) *Ask for feedback.* Quick feedback (even anonymous if desired) is > easy with a tool like Survey Monkey for example (or even directly on > meetup.com for simple polls). Also, members could set up surveys to test > practically any idea with the group, such as identifying potential > speakers, desired topics, group meeting times or location preferences, etc. > > Remember, this is just my opinion, I'm not planning to defend any of those > points. Take them if they make sense for your group, otherwise just leave > them. Also I'm happy to volunteer time to the group in areas where I can. > Thanks for hosting the meetups -- I've enjoyed them so far and hope to make > future ones. > > Curt Stump > email: create at curtstump.com > linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/curtstump > twitter: @CurtStump > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > -- Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From curt at curtstump.com Sat Mar 24 03:58:54 2012 From: curt at curtstump.com (Curt Stump) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:58:54 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: References: <4F6CC52D.20808@unc.edu> <4F6CEDAC.2030404@curtstump.com> Message-ID: <4F6D386E.8080403@curtstump.com> Thanks Calvin, for reading all that, and responding. I've arranged free speakers for events in advance, so when I say "arrange" I just mean schedule in advance. Maybe for point number 5 (connecting with newcomers) I should say it this way: the group could benefit by creating a better way for newcomers to learn about members of the group and what they work on, etc. I don't see a group email list as the best tool for that, though it does have other strengths like the straight-to-the-inbox feature. Anyway, thanks for reading/commenting. Curt On 3/23/12 5:57 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Curt Stump > wrote: > > Hi TriZPUG, > > Since the group is in the process of rethinking its focus I'm > going to go out on a dangerous limb here and provide feedback as a > newcomer to the group. I've attended only a few meetups. Keep in > mind, what follows is just my /opinion/. > > If you are interested in newcomers: > 1) *A name change is a fantastic idea*. I avoided coming for > several months initially simply because of the Zope > reference/focus. I am seeking Python. > 2) *Use the meetup website *instead of mail lists and trizpug > website. Benefits: A) the group looks bigger and more active to > newcomers [and importantly to those who are considering joining], > B) group communication will be easier than the > mixed/top/bottom/full replies that now show up in long email > chains. Members would of course need to join meetup but that's > pretty easy. Then to attend specific meetups you simply click > "attend" in an email that's sent to you. It's a pretty easy way > to increase your online visibility as a group. > > > I'll be doing my part to encourage meetup.com > usage, and I would really like to see more people /actually/ RSVP. > This does make the group look more attractive to others. Seeing zero > or a few people listed as attending, even when more showed up, is only > bad PR for us, so I agree here. > > However, I don't think we will or should move from the mailing list.., > fact is, a mailing list is a tried and truish communication tool for > technical groups and a lot of us are familiar with them, and they let > you see whats going on without having to go out to yet another site to > check for updates. My email inbox is my life inbox! > > 3) *Arrange a speaker in advance* for each month. Advantages: > speaker has time to prepare a good presentation, and members will > know about the topic in advance (and can publicize it). Putting > this information on meetup also gives newcomers an idea of what to > expect over time. > > > Speakers cannot be "arranged" when they are free, but anyone can > volunteer. We could, of course, encourage this sooner/louder. > > Want to present something in April? Let us know! > > One idea: maybe we could alternate lightning talk and single longer > talks, and on the lightning talk months we'll have time to find and > encourage a more prepared full talk for the next month. > > 4) *Leave plenty of time for open discussion*, lightning talks, > etc. (something you are already doing). This means there is > always a reason to come to the meetups independent of topic. > > > There is always time to discuss afterwards, too, when we go out for > drinks. > > 5) *Connect with newcomers*, even if this means spending a bit of > extra effort. What I seek from a local Python group is not just a > meetup once per month but people I can interact with about Python > in the meantime (even if briefly via twitter or any quick means). > The trizpug group email list is an option for this, but I don't > see the list being used this way (which I think is actually a good > thing). Summary on this point: existing members probably already > have a local Python network whereas newcomers may not. You can > help them get connected, even by simply encouraging existing > members to reach out to new members. > > > As a newcomer you are connecting right here, right now. What are you > working on? What are you interested in? Let us know (on a different > thread)! > > 6) *Ask for feedback.* Quick feedback (even anonymous if desired) > is easy with a tool like Survey Monkey for example (or even > directly on meetup.com for simple polls). > Also, members could set up surveys to test practically any idea > with the group, such as identifying potential speakers, desired > topics, group meeting times or location preferences, etc. > > Remember, this is just my opinion, I'm not planning to defend any > of those points. Take them if they make sense for your group, > otherwise just leave them. Also I'm happy to volunteer time to > the group in areas where I can. Thanks for hosting the meetups -- > I've enjoyed them so far and hope to make future ones. > > Curt Stump > email: create at curtstump.com > linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/curtstump > > twitter: @CurtStump > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group > > > > > -- > Read my blog! I depend on your acceptance of my opinion! I am interesting! > http://techblog.ironfroggy.com/ > Follow me if you're into that sort of thing: > http://www.twitter.com/ironfroggy > > > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at ibang.com Sat Mar 24 04:16:15 2012 From: jim at ibang.com (Jim Allman) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 23:16:15 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: <4F6D386E.8080403@curtstump.com> References: <4F6CC52D.20808@unc.edu> <4F6CEDAC.2030404@curtstump.com> <4F6D386E.8080403@curtstump.com> Message-ID: Curt, Thanks for speaking up! On Mar 23, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Curt Stump wrote: > the group could benefit by creating a better way for newcomers to learn about members of the group and what they work on, etc. I don't see a group email list as the best tool for that I think even established members would find this useful. I'm sometimes surprised by what our folks are doing. There are the member pages on trizpug.org, but it's not the most friendliest directory: http://trizpug.org/Members But maybe something we can build on, encouraging members to update their information. Some of us are also active on Planet TriZPUG: http://planet.trizpug.org/ Maybe we should do more to steer newcomers and interested parties toward these resources. =jimA= Jim Allman Interrobang Digital Media http://www.ibang.com/ (919) 649-5760 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lionface.lemonface at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 12:54:03 2012 From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com (Josh Johnson) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 07:54:03 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: <4F6CEDAC.2030404@curtstump.com> References: <4F6CC52D.20808@unc.edu> <4F6CEDAC.2030404@curtstump.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Curt Stump wrote: > Hi TriZPUG, > > Since the group is in the process of rethinking its focus I'm going to go > out on a dangerous limb here and provide feedback as a newcomer to the > group.? I've attended only a few meetups.? Keep in mind, what follows is > just my opinion. > > If you are interested in newcomers: > 1) A name change is a fantastic idea.? I avoided coming for several months > initially simply because of the Zope reference/focus.? I am seeking Python. Yeah that's been a huge PITA for a long time - I've even called it the "Triangle Zope and Plone User Group" accidentally a few times... but at the same time I know people who were doing Zope and avoided meetings because they didn't think a given talk was relevant to what *they* were doing. If a person can't read the charter of a group, look at the website, or risk 2 hours to check us out, do I care if they ever show up? If someone can't wrap their heads around the 'shotgun rules' or the 'do-ocracy' concept - what are they going to do to contribute to it? We don't have a 'core' constituency[1], and folks have filtered in and out - and that's just fine by me. I've hosted meetings where NOBODY showed up but the speaker, and while that can be a bit demoralizing, it's not the group's fault, or it's name. It's the people who didn't come. Anyway, I like the idea for name change, and I support TriPython 100%, but let's not forget why the Z was there in the first place.... Wait, why was it there in the first place? > 2) Use the meetup website instead of mail lists and trizpug website. > Benefits: A) the group looks bigger and more active to newcomers [and > importantly to those who are considering joining], B) group communication > will be easier than the mixed/top/bottom/full replies that now show up in > long email chains.? Members would of course need to join meetup but that's > pretty easy.? Then to attend specific meetups you simply click "attend" in > an email that's sent to you.? It's a pretty easy way to increase your online > visibility as a group. I've singed up for meetup.com once, and have never used it, in fact, I didn't even know we had a meetup group until recently. And I still don't use it. IIRC, using meetup to organize our meetings costs money - we don't have a treasurer, or collect dues - so if the person who's paying for it can't at some point, we can't count on it being there. I think we should use every tool we have available to publicize the meetings. We shouldn't limit it in any way. We could make it easier to post to all of these things at once - to announce a meeting you would log into the website, fill in the details, and bang: it goes to twitter, facebook, meetup, the mailing list, a shared google calendar, myspace (hahaha), etc, etc That's something I bet we could fit into a 1-day sprint... Now that I've mentioned myspace, that's another reason why I worry about focusing too much on something that looks like it's the shortest path to getting the word out to the most folks - what happens when something falls out of fashion and nobody's listening? > 3) Arrange a speaker in advance for each month.? Advantages: speaker has > time to prepare a good presentation, and members will know about the topic > in advance (and can publicize it).? Putting this information on meetup also > gives newcomers an idea of what to expect over time. The short response to this is: this is entirely counter to the spirit of the "do-ocracy". But in general I have many problems with this idea. First, who's soliciting speakers? I think this is a core misunderstanding of the group dyamic here - that we've got a 'president' or someone who will always be there to do everything for us. We don't - we have a few people who care very deeply about Python and this community, and they go way out of their way to make sure the meetings happen. If they stop doing that, then the group suffers or other people step up. What would the solicitation process look like? I agree having advance notice is always good, but some of our best talks have been ad-hoc, or last-minute. I've never heard anyone complain about the quality of our speakers. Further, it's a very encouraging environment - I don't think I would have ever given a talk anywhere if I hadn't started coming to the group meetings and felt comfortable standing up in front of people I felt were my peers. This attitude that a speaker has to be "good", of particular interest, or relevant scares the crap out of newbies. It also can cost us attendance - most people I know who make excuses for not coming to meetings is that they aren't interested in the topic. So if we pin down a 'good' speaker, they prepare ahead of time, and we let people know a month in advance - the chance of it being a no-show is higher than you think... In fact, IIRC, the meeting I mentioned earlier was just like that: we had a great speaker lined up, the talk was AMAZING, it was announced in advance, I was able to cover for cbcunc being unable to facilitate... and nobody showed up. I do agree that if we're using meetup, we should post details there, but I disagree with the rationale. I don't want people to look at the last 4 meetings and assume just because they were computer science heavy that that's what we're all about. Or they were all about Plone (or Django, or Pylons, or SciPy). Sometimes not having a history prevents people from being prejudiced by it.[2] > 4) Leave plenty of time for open discussion, lightning talks, etc. > (something you are already doing).? This means there is always a reason to > come to the meetups independent of topic. Lets just leave them open ended, like we do now, but make more of a point of it. We don't have a fixed agenda, and I think that's for the best. What we need to drive home to people is that there is ALWAYS a reason to come to the meetings: participating in the community. You shouldn't need anything more. I've sat through talks I wasn't that interested in, and have been turned on to new things. I've had boring meetings where the conversation at the after-meeting or the lightning talks were mind-blowing. I don't think we want to keep that from happening by trying to add structure, just to help people who just don't 'get it'. What we need to do is just help people understand that there's value in the participation itself. I think we can try to have more off-rotation get-together's to help push this idea. > 5) Connect with newcomers, even if this means spending a bit of extra > effort. What I seek from a local Python group is not just a meetup once per > month but people I can interact with about Python in the meantime (even if > briefly via twitter or any quick means).? The trizpug group email list is an > option for this, but I don't see the list being used this way (which I think > is actually a good thing).? Summary on this point: existing members probably > already have a local Python network whereas newcomers may not.? You can help > them get connected, even by simply encouraging existing members to reach out > to new members. We usually mention the mailing list, IRC channel, and website at the meetings. I don't know how much more we can do to reach out to new people. Again, I think this is a common misunderstanding of the dynamic of this group. We *are* the local python network. If they're coming to meetings, or subscribed to the list, or signed up for meetup, they're connected. > 6) Ask for feedback.? Quick feedback (even anonymous if desired) is easy > with a tool like Survey Monkey for example (or even directly on meetup.com > for simple polls).? Also, members could set up surveys to test practically > any idea with the group, such as identifying potential speakers, desired > topics, group meeting times or location preferences, etc. I don't think this is a good idea AT ALL. My main concern with this sort of thinking is the old saying about opinions. Given the opportunity, anyone will chime in about anything, whether it's constructive or not. Hell, I didn't even go to the meeting that sparked all of this conversation, and I'm chiming in now :D But my other concern is the chilling effect of scrutiny. I don't want people resistant to speaking because they feel they might get criticized (no matter how constructive). I'm not one to sugar-coat things and I appreciate blunt criticism, but I am concerned about unfiltered opinions hurting people's feelings. And then I really really don't want to see surveys about what people think they want to see. Like I said earlier, I've learned a lot from meetings that I didn't have a particular interest in, and I've missed meetings that were right up my alley. Asking someone in a vacuum is not going to be as productive as you might think. Think about what you were working on or interested in a month ago vs what you're doing/interested in now. I don't know about you, but if I was picking meetings based on that, I'd probably never go. Locations and times and such are also a can of worms. I'd rather just encourage folks to find new places to host, or call a meeting on a different day or a different time and see how it goes. If you ask, you'll get opinions from people who probably won't ever come, even if you follow their wishes to the letter. I'd rather see things change because someone made the effort to make a change. That will have more impact. > Remember, this is just my opinion, I'm not planning to defend any of those > points.? Take them if they make sense for your group, otherwise just leave > them.? Also I'm happy to volunteer time to the group in areas where I can. > Thanks for hosting the meetups -- I've enjoyed them so far and hope to make > future ones. I definitely appreciate your perspective, and I think you're not in the minority - I just think it's hard for a lot of people to really understand how this group works. Maybe with the new name and the re-branding, we can make it more clear exactly how things work. Thanks, JJ [1] We do have our champions, however! I'm not trying to minimize what Chris and a lot of other folks have done for this community - but that said, even our champions have other stuff going (or switch to Java or whatever) on and can't devote time to organizing everything - but what's great about us as a group, and I attribute this to the nature of the group secondarily to the folks within it - is that even when our champions can't be there to get us off our backsides and doing things, somebody else steps up. New champions are emerging every day. [2] Yikes, did I just say that? From jmack at wm7d.net Sat Mar 24 13:56:37 2012 From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 05:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: References: <4F6CC52D.20808@unc.edu> <4F6CEDAC.2030404@curtstump.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Mar 2012, Josh Johnson wrote: > I support TriPython I was about to suggest TriPy (sounds snappier), but whois shows both tripy.org and tripy.net owned by cybersquatters. Looks like you have to be pretty sharp to get a domain name early. Tripython.org is owned by Kurt Grandis in Mebane. I assume he's one of us. Joe -- Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux! From chris at archimedeanco.com Sat Mar 24 14:52:35 2012 From: chris at archimedeanco.com (Chris Rossi) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 09:52:35 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Julia Elman wrote: > > There is a pretty active Python users group in KC called PythonKC that I > belonged to. I helped do the branding for http://pythonkc.com and worked > with Steven Cummings (a developer at Cerner) to build out the site. I'd > love the opportunity to work on the branding for Tripython! I'd be more > than happy to draw up some logo ideas to start with if you all would like. > > This seems like a pretty good model to follow. The website is uncluttered, leads you quickly to useful information and can get you plugged into their community in a matter of seconds. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From curt at curtstump.com Sat Mar 24 14:56:27 2012 From: curt at curtstump.com (Curt Stump) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 09:56:27 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: References: <4F6CC52D.20808@unc.edu> <4F6CEDAC.2030404@curtstump.com> Message-ID: <4F6DD28B.4050501@curtstump.com> Josh, For an open source language group there sure seems to be a lot resistance to having open communication. No feedback? I'm not talking about feedback on the speakers, but the group process. One main point I'm making is that the group could, if it wants, imagine a few ways to make itself more inclusive and more appealing to newcomers (not me, newcomers). I actually think a reading of your response illustrates the need for it. About all the difficulties you brought up I'll summarize by saying most of them are not problems: for example it's easy to arrange speakers even though you don't have a president. These things are not that hard, provided of course the group wants to do them, which it may not. Ok, I'm not interested in dragging this out. It was feedback, not a mission. Perhaps I should have posted an open question for the group instead: can anyone think of any ways that you can better connect to newcomers (newcomers to Python, to the RTP area, etc.)? If that question is offensive, I'm without a doubt in the wrong group. Curt On 3/24/12 7:54 AM, Josh Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Curt Stump wrote: >> Hi TriZPUG, >> >> Since the group is in the process of rethinking its focus I'm going to go >> out on a dangerous limb here and provide feedback as a newcomer to the >> group. I've attended only a few meetups. Keep in mind, what follows is >> just my opinion. >> >> If you are interested in newcomers: >> 1) A name change is a fantastic idea. I avoided coming for several months >> initially simply because of the Zope reference/focus. I am seeking Python. > Yeah that's been a huge PITA for a long time - I've even called it the > "Triangle Zope and Plone User Group" accidentally a few times... but > at the same time I know people who were doing Zope and avoided > meetings because they didn't think a given talk was relevant to what > *they* were doing. > > If a person can't read the charter of a group, look at the website, or > risk 2 hours to check us out, do I care if they ever show up? If > someone can't wrap their heads around the 'shotgun rules' or the > 'do-ocracy' concept - what are they going to do to contribute to it? > > We don't have a 'core' constituency[1], and folks have filtered in and > out - and that's just fine by me. I've hosted meetings where NOBODY > showed up but the speaker, and while that can be a bit demoralizing, > it's not the group's fault, or it's name. It's the people who didn't > come. > > Anyway, I like the idea for name change, and I support TriPython 100%, > but let's not forget why the Z was there in the first place.... Wait, > why was it there in the first place? > >> 2) Use the meetup website instead of mail lists and trizpug website. >> Benefits: A) the group looks bigger and more active to newcomers [and >> importantly to those who are considering joining], B) group communication >> will be easier than the mixed/top/bottom/full replies that now show up in >> long email chains. Members would of course need to join meetup but that's >> pretty easy. Then to attend specific meetups you simply click "attend" in >> an email that's sent to you. It's a pretty easy way to increase your online >> visibility as a group. > I've singed up for meetup.com once, and have never used it, in fact, I > didn't even know we had a meetup group until recently. And I still > don't use it. IIRC, using meetup to organize our meetings costs money > - we don't have a treasurer, or collect dues - so if the person who's > paying for it can't at some point, we can't count on it being there. > > I think we should use every tool we have available to publicize the > meetings. We shouldn't limit it in any way. We could make it easier > to post to all of these things at once - to announce a meeting you > would log into the website, fill in the details, and bang: it goes to > twitter, facebook, meetup, the mailing list, a shared google calendar, > myspace (hahaha), etc, etc > > That's something I bet we could fit into a 1-day sprint... > > Now that I've mentioned myspace, that's another reason why I worry > about focusing too much on something that looks like it's the shortest > path to getting the word out to the most folks - what happens when > something falls out of fashion and nobody's listening? > >> 3) Arrange a speaker in advance for each month. Advantages: speaker has >> time to prepare a good presentation, and members will know about the topic >> in advance (and can publicize it). Putting this information on meetup also >> gives newcomers an idea of what to expect over time. > The short response to this is: this is entirely counter to the spirit > of the "do-ocracy". > > But in general I have many problems with this idea. First, who's > soliciting speakers? I think this is a core misunderstanding of the > group dyamic here - that we've got a 'president' or someone who will > always be there to do everything for us. We don't - we have a few > people who care very deeply about Python and this community, and they > go way out of their way to make sure the meetings happen. If they stop > doing that, then the group suffers or other people step up. > > What would the solicitation process look like? > > I agree having advance notice is always good, but some of our best > talks have been ad-hoc, or last-minute. I've never heard anyone > complain about the quality of our speakers. > > Further, it's a very encouraging environment - I don't think I would > have ever given a talk anywhere if I hadn't started coming to the > group meetings and felt comfortable standing up in front of people I > felt were my peers. > > This attitude that a speaker has to be "good", of particular interest, > or relevant scares the crap out of newbies. > > It also can cost us attendance - most people I know who make excuses > for not coming to meetings is that they aren't interested in the > topic. So if we pin down a 'good' speaker, they prepare ahead of time, > and we let people know a month in advance - the chance of it being a > no-show is higher than you think... In fact, IIRC, the meeting I > mentioned earlier was just like that: we had a great speaker lined up, > the talk was AMAZING, it was announced in advance, I was able to cover > for cbcunc being unable to facilitate... and nobody showed up. > > I do agree that if we're using meetup, we should post details there, > but I disagree with the rationale. I don't want people to look at the > last 4 meetings and assume just because they were computer science > heavy that that's what we're all about. Or they were all about Plone > (or Django, or Pylons, or SciPy). Sometimes not having a history > prevents people from being prejudiced by it.[2] > >> 4) Leave plenty of time for open discussion, lightning talks, etc. >> (something you are already doing). This means there is always a reason to >> come to the meetups independent of topic. > Lets just leave them open ended, like we do now, but make more of a > point of it. We don't have a fixed agenda, and I think that's for the > best. > > What we need to drive home to people is that there is ALWAYS a reason > to come to the meetings: participating in the community. You shouldn't > need anything more. I've sat through talks I wasn't that interested > in, and have been turned on to new things. I've had boring meetings > where the conversation at the after-meeting or the lightning talks > were mind-blowing. > > I don't think we want to keep that from happening by trying to add > structure, just to help people who just don't 'get it'. What we need > to do is just help people understand that there's value in the > participation itself. > > I think we can try to have more off-rotation get-together's to help > push this idea. > >> 5) Connect with newcomers, even if this means spending a bit of extra >> effort. What I seek from a local Python group is not just a meetup once per >> month but people I can interact with about Python in the meantime (even if >> briefly via twitter or any quick means). The trizpug group email list is an >> option for this, but I don't see the list being used this way (which I think >> is actually a good thing). Summary on this point: existing members probably >> already have a local Python network whereas newcomers may not. You can help >> them get connected, even by simply encouraging existing members to reach out >> to new members. > We usually mention the mailing list, IRC channel, and website at the > meetings. I don't know how much more we can do to reach out to new > people. > > Again, I think this is a common misunderstanding of the dynamic of > this group. We *are* the local python network. If they're coming to > meetings, or subscribed to the list, or signed up for meetup, they're > connected. > >> 6) Ask for feedback. Quick feedback (even anonymous if desired) is easy >> with a tool like Survey Monkey for example (or even directly on meetup.com >> for simple polls). Also, members could set up surveys to test practically >> any idea with the group, such as identifying potential speakers, desired >> topics, group meeting times or location preferences, etc. > I don't think this is a good idea AT ALL. My main concern with this > sort of thinking is the old saying about opinions. Given the > opportunity, anyone will chime in about anything, whether it's > constructive or not. > > Hell, I didn't even go to the meeting that sparked all of this > conversation, and I'm chiming in now :D > > But my other concern is the chilling effect of scrutiny. I don't want > people resistant to speaking because they feel they might get > criticized (no matter how constructive). I'm not one to sugar-coat > things and I appreciate blunt criticism, but I am concerned about > unfiltered opinions hurting people's feelings. > > And then I really really don't want to see surveys about what people > think they want to see. Like I said earlier, I've learned a lot from > meetings that I didn't have a particular interest in, and I've missed > meetings that were right up my alley. Asking someone in a vacuum is > not going to be as productive as you might think. > > Think about what you were working on or interested in a month ago vs > what you're doing/interested in now. I don't know about you, but if I > was picking meetings based on that, I'd probably never go. > > Locations and times and such are also a can of worms. I'd rather just > encourage folks to find new places to host, or call a meeting on a > different day or a different time and see how it goes. If you ask, > you'll get opinions from people who probably won't ever come, even if > you follow their wishes to the letter. > > I'd rather see things change because someone made the effort to make a > change. That will have more impact. > >> Remember, this is just my opinion, I'm not planning to defend any of those >> points. Take them if they make sense for your group, otherwise just leave >> them. Also I'm happy to volunteer time to the group in areas where I can. >> Thanks for hosting the meetups -- I've enjoyed them so far and hope to make >> future ones. > I definitely appreciate your perspective, and I think you're not in > the minority - I just think it's hard for a lot of people to really > understand how this group works. Maybe with the new name and the > re-branding, we can make it more clear exactly how things work. > > Thanks, > JJ > > > [1] We do have our champions, however! I'm not trying to minimize what > Chris and a lot of other folks have done for this community - but that > said, even our champions have other stuff going (or switch to Java or > whatever) on and can't devote time to organizing everything - but > what's great about us as a group, and I attribute this to the nature > of the group secondarily to the folks within it - is that even when > our champions can't be there to get us off our backsides and doing > things, somebody else steps up. New champions are emerging every day. > [2] Yikes, did I just say that? > _______________________________________________ > TriZPUG mailing list > TriZPUG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group From Tom_Roche at pobox.com Sat Mar 24 15:44:51 2012 From: Tom_Roche at pobox.com (Tom Roche) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 10:44:51 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] [OT] interactive help for git? References: Message-ID: <87y5qqys64.fsf@pobox.com> Apologies for butting in on the rename thread, but this Calvin Spealman Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:57:47 -0400 > My email inbox is my life inbox! (me too :-) reminded me of a problem I've recently encountered. The question is not pythonic, or even mercurial, but since the tool is widely used, and this being a code group, I thought I'd ask for pointers to usable email-based help for git, or basically any non-IRC interactive git help. Why I ask: For various reasons (notably, the pain of our last release), the folks who develop the scientific model on which I currently contract are considering moving from cvs to git, or possibly another DVCS. I'm very much evangelizing this, with one caveat: for various reasons (notably: this group seems very inbox-oriented, but not very RTFMish), I'd very much like to be able to point folks who need help to a *usable* listserv. I.e., not git at vger.kernel.org: I seek something(s) that is as usable relative to git, as this list (or tutor at python.org) are to python. Something web-based (similar to, e.g., ubuntu or sourceforge forums) would probably work well too. IRC probably wouldn't: at least, folks here don't seem to use the available chat tool (sametime) much. So: if you were gonna port a group to git, what would you advise for interactive help? apologies for OT-ness, and +1 on the name change, Tom Roche From jim at ibang.com Sat Mar 24 16:16:05 2012 From: jim at ibang.com (Jim Allman) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:16:05 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] [OT] interactive help for git? In-Reply-To: <87y5qqys64.fsf@pobox.com> References: <87y5qqys64.fsf@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Mar 24, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Tom Roche wrote: > I thought I'd ask for pointers to usable email-based help for git, or basically any non-IRC > interactive git help. Maybe this git-users list? I haven't used it, but the archives are promising: http://groups.google.com/group/git-users/topics =jimA= Jim Allman Interrobang Digital Media http://www.ibang.com/ (919) 649-5760 From Tom_Roche at pobox.com Sat Mar 24 19:01:08 2012 From: Tom_Roche at pobox.com (Tom Roche) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 14:01:08 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] [OT] interactive help for git? In-Reply-To: References: <87y5qqys64.fsf@pobox.com> Message-ID: <87pqc1zxnf.fsf@pobox.com> Jim Allman Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:16:05 -0400 > http://groups.google.com/group/git-users/topics Thanks! That should do the job: usability-wise, the googlegroups UI should work better than majordomo+gmane (or, god forbid, lyris) From jmack at wm7d.net Sun Mar 25 14:11:12 2012 From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 05:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TriZPUG] Triangle Python User Group In-Reply-To: References: <4F6CC52D.20808@unc.edu> <4F6CEDAC.2030404@curtstump.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Mar 2012, Joseph Mack NA3T wrote: > Tripython.org is owned by Kurt Grandis in Mebane. I assume he's one of us. He's a lot better known than I knew http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/03/24/1817242/militarizing-your-backyard-with-python-and-ai Joe -- Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux! From tobias at caktusgroup.com Mon Mar 26 16:02:17 2012 From: tobias at caktusgroup.com (Tobias McNulty) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:02:17 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Fwd: [group-organizers] Example PSF grant proposal for meetup.com fee reimbursement In-Reply-To: <4F5EA879.4070209@nedbatchelder.com> References: <4F5EA879.4070209@nedbatchelder.com> Message-ID: In light of the recent discussion about possibly using meetup, I thought I'd forward this along in case the relevant parties hadn't seen it yet. Cheers, Tobias ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ned Batchelder Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:52 PM Subject: [group-organizers] Example PSF grant proposal for meetup.com fee reimbursement To: group-organizers at python.org Attached is the grant proposal I used last October to get reimbursed for meetup.com fees. Michelle Rowley and I wrote it together, and she used the same text, but with details changed for the Portland group. Feel free to use it, but be sure to change the facts in it, especially the details of where to send the check! :) --Ned. ______________________________**_________________ Group-Organizers mailing list Group-Organizers at python.org http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/group-**organizers -- Tobias McNulty, Managing Member Caktus Consulting Group, LLC http://www.caktusgroup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment.doc Type: application/msword Size: 24064 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jim at jimallman.net Sat Mar 24 16:19:19 2012 From: jim at jimallman.net (Jim Allman) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:19:19 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] [OT] interactive help for git? In-Reply-To: References: <87y5qqys64.fsf@pobox.com> Message-ID: <91AAEFAC-820A-455E-91C1-717CCBB77467@jimallman.net> One more suggestion... For non-RTFM folk, gitready.com has lots of bit-sized tips. =jimA= http://gitready.com/ From cbc at unc.edu Mon Mar 26 23:31:36 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:31:36 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG April 2012 Meeting: Call For Talks Message-ID: <4F70E038.7070702@unc.edu> Thanks to Tobias McNulty, the April 26 TriZPUG meeting will be at 7pm at Caktus Group, 209 Lloyd St, Suite 110, Carrboro: http://trizpug.org/Members/tobias/apr-12-mtg If you would like to present a main topic at this meeting, you should definitely notify this email list of your topic as soon as you can commit, and your name and topic will be up in lights. If no one claims the podium as the main speaker, we will have lightning talks as usual. In any event, we will have lightning talks. If there is a main speaker, lightning talks will be after the main speaker. You can't stop the lightning talks. They're like lightning. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From tobias at caktusgroup.com Mon Mar 26 23:49:16 2012 From: tobias at caktusgroup.com (Tobias McNulty) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:49:16 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG April 2012 Meeting: Call For Talks In-Reply-To: <4F70E038.7070702@unc.edu> References: <4F70E038.7070702@unc.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: > Thanks to Tobias McNulty, the April 26 TriZPUG meeting will be at 7pm at > Caktus Group, 209 Lloyd St, Suite 110, Carrboro: > > http://trizpug.org/Members/**tobias/apr-12-mtg > > If you would like to present a main topic at this meeting, you should > definitely notify this email list of your topic as soon as you can commit, > and your name and topic will be up in lights. > > If no one claims the podium as the main speaker, we will have lightning > talks as usual. > > In any event, we will have lightning talks. If there is a main speaker, > lightning talks will be after the main speaker. You can't stop the > lightning talks. They're like lightning. Thanks for the announcement and updating the website, Chris! I wanted to send along some information about finding the space in case anyone hasn't been here before (shamelessly copied from a previous posting about a sprint held here): The Caktus office is located in downtown Carrboro and is within walking distance of many restaurants, bars, and shops. We'll have a few light refreshments, and chances are some of us will go out to Milltown after the meeting for beer, food, and networking. The office address is: 209 Lloyd St, Carrboro, NC 27510 After turning on Lloyd St, the Caktus office will be on your left past Rice's Glass and the old Carrboro Coworking. The sign reads "The Lloyd Street Court," [1] and we'll be in the 1st building. The entrance to the parking lot is just past the three green buildings. If space is limited, there's additional city parking behind Carrboro Coworking (turn left immediately before the 3 green buildings and continue straight to the gravel parking area). We'll be in Suite 110. Please note Suite 110 is on the first floor by the street - *not* up the stairs like the previous meeting (it's the rightmost building in the pic below). Hope to see you there! Tobias [1] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10862436/caktus-office.JPG -- Tobias McNulty, Managing Member Caktus Consulting Group, LLC http://www.caktusgroup.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ironfroggy at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 04:03:56 2012 From: ironfroggy at gmail.com (Calvin Spealman) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:03:56 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] April 2012, Project Night Message-ID: TriZPUG, Caktus Consulting Group has offered to host a new monthly project night for TriZPUG, with the inaugural meeting this April 4th. This is announced on both on the trizpug.org website and meetup.com, which I want to strongly encourage everyone to use and RSVP with, tho it is not required. RSVPs tell prospective members that we are an active group and publicise the turnout for our events. A simple RSVP if you plan to attend, or even if you don't, is a very simple way to help visibility to new and potential members. Event Description: Have a project you want to show off, share, seek help with, or just get some work done surrounded my like minded python lovers? Join us for our first monthly hack night and do just that! Don't have something to work on? Show up and enjoy the energy, sprint on an open source project, find something interesting to contribute to or be inspired by! The setting is informal and there is no schedule, so don't worry if you show up past the start time. Meetup event page: http://www.meetup.com/trizpug/events/58074412/ From cbc at unc.edu Wed Mar 28 16:31:32 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:31:32 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] April 2012, Project Night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F7320C4.403@unc.edu> On 3/27/2012 10:03 PM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > Caktus Consulting Group has offered to host a new monthly project > night for TriZPUG, with the inaugural meeting this April 4th. Thanks, Calvin! One thing that's really exciting about this is the word *monthly*. Knowing that it's every month at the same place is a big deal, I think. I'm really looking forward to this. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Fri Mar 30 22:23:59 2012 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:23:59 -0400 Subject: [TriZPUG] Essential JavaScript Design Patterns Message-ID: <4F76165F.3050005@unc.edu> You like free online tech books, right? I thought you did. Here's a new one which a good number of you should like: http://addyosmani.com/resources/essentialjsdesignpatterns/book/ -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc office: 3313 Venable Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599