From joe at bitworking.org  Tue Feb  2 22:07:16 2010
From: joe at bitworking.org (Joe Gregorio)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:07:16 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Google I/O Bootcamp
Message-ID: <a23d87fa1002021307j52c3cd16jcf2cfe10e9709e50@mail.gmail.com>

If you are already attending Google I/O you might want to
attend IO Bootcamp:

  http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/bootcamp.html

It's free, but signups are limited, and registration just opened
today. (Actually it opened about an hour ago ;) )

   Thanks,
   -joe

From ray at harris.net  Wed Feb  3 22:02:09 2010
From: ray at harris.net (Ray Harris)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 16:02:09 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp Rescheduled
Message-ID: <20100203210241.94EBF271B657@smtprelay01.hostedemail.com>

> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:50:12 -0500
> From: Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu>
> To: trizpug at python.org
> Subject: NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp: Winter 2010
> 
> Holy smokes, Batman. I just found out about this. And it's already sold
out:
> 
> http://ncjquerycamp2.eventbrite.com/
> 
> I see a couple of TriZPUGers on the attendee list.
> 
> --
> Sincerely,
> 
> Chris Calloway
> http://www.secoora.org
> office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

I just wanted to pass along that the jQuery and JavaScript camp has been
rescheduled for Saturday, February 20th because of the weather.

They were also able to use some additional space and so registration has
been reopened (as of yesterday). If you wanted to go, you still can.

Ray Harris




From dragonstrider at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 05:56:59 2010
From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph Tate)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 23:56:59 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp Rescheduled
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Doh.  Right during PyCon.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Ray Harris <ray at harris.net> wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:50:12 -0500
>> From: Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu>
>> To: trizpug at python.org
>> Subject: NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp: Winter 2010
>>
>> Holy smokes, Batman. I just found out about this. And it's already sold
> out:
>>
>> http://ncjquerycamp2.eventbrite.com/
>>
>> I see a couple of TriZPUGers on the attendee list.
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Chris Calloway
>> http://www.secoora.org
>> office: 332 Chapman Hall ? phone: (919) 599-3530
>> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
>
> I just wanted to pass along that the jQuery and JavaScript camp has been
> rescheduled for Saturday, February 20th because of the weather.
>
> They were also able to use some additional space and so registration has
> been reopened (as of yesterday). If you wanted to go, you still can.
>
> Ray Harris
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Tom_Roche at pobox.com  Thu Feb  4 06:23:50 2010
From: Tom_Roche at pobox.com (Tom Roche)
Date: Thu,  4 Feb 2010 00:23:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TriZPUG] fwd: Geoprocessing Scripts using Python @ ECU 3/11-3/12
Message-ID: <20100204052350.88F58141D3C06@cedar.isis.unc.edu>


Mulcahy, Karen Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:19 PM
> Please see the attached materials

instead mounted @
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BzDAFHgIxRzKYjg3Nzg2ZDgtNjc0Zi00OTQyLWJkMDEtZjAwZGRkYmJkMWM3
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BzDAFHgIxRzKZDAzYzI0MWMtN2I1Zi00NWFkLTkwMTUtNTc4YWY5MTdmNDc2

> regarding the 2-day Introduction to Geoprocessing Scripts using
> Python, an ArcGIS training class that is being taught at the East
> Carolina University Center for Geographic Information Science on
> March 11th & 12th. This class is being taught by Scott Wade, who is
> an ESRI Authorized instructor for the Introduction to Geoprocessing
> Scripts using Python course. ESRI Authorized instructors use ESRI
> developed materials to teach their classes. If you know of others
> who might be interested in this training, please forward this email
> to them. Note that this class assumes that the participant has one
> of the following prerequisites: Introduction to ArcGIS I, Learning
> ArcGIS Desktop, ArcGIS Desktop II: Tools and Functionality, OR other
> comparable ArcGIS training.

> Scott Wade
> Director, Y.H. Kim Computing Lab
> Assistant Director, ECU Center for GIScience
> Department of Geography
> East Carolina University
> Greenville, NC 27858
> (252) 328-6029

From jmack at wm7d.net  Thu Feb  4 13:44:06 2010
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 04:44:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TriZPUG] NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp Rescheduled
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On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Ray Harris wrote:

>> http://ncjquerycamp2.eventbrite.com/

> I just wanted to pass along that the jQuery and JavaScript 
> camp has been rescheduled for Saturday, February 20th 
> because of the weather.

Thanks. I had no idea there had even been a camp scheduled 
in Jan. I just registered for Feb 20.

Is there a list of camps anywhere? Are they posted to this 
list (if so I missed this one). I e-mailed Chris Calloway 
last week asking if there was going to be a 
python/plone/zope camp this summer, but haven't heard back

Thanks Joe

-- 
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jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
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From cbc at unc.edu  Fri Feb  5 02:20:26 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:20:26 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Feburary 2010 Meeting: Your Presentation Goes Here
Message-ID: <4B6B725A.8070101@unc.edu>

http://trizpug.org/Members/psmith/feb-10-mtg

We meet at the very fun, very posh Capstrat in three weeks.

There is no hockey game that day. However, there is a Ringling Bros. 
Barnum & Bailey Circus at the RBC Center at 7pm that day. I'll leave it 
to Paul to advise if we need to change the meeting time to 7:30.

Many of you have indicated you wish to make a presentation at a TriZPUG 
meeting "sometime" in the coming months (anywhere from a few to several 
months ago). Now is the time. Three weeks should give you some good lead 
time to prepare. But let's publicize your appearance as presenter by 
having you call shotgun now. State how long you'd like to talk and maybe 
there can even be two presentations.

As always, lightning talks of ten minutes or less are also welcome. Five 
is better. Anything you've learned about Python, no matter how trivial, 
can be a lightning talk. Simply volunteer your lightning talk at the 
meeting.

We had a really good line up of pretty much wholly extemporaneous 
lightning talks last month. And as we saw, even the most basic Python 
lightning talk can be instructive for everybody in the room.

Think about what your lightning talk could be if you are coming to the 
meeting. This will be the meeting after PyCon, so you should be loaded 
for bear with things to lightning talk about.

The after-meeting will be at one of the several nearby taverns, to be 
decided at the meeting, with a high possibility of that being Edwards 
Mill Bar and Grill.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From cbc at unc.edu  Fri Feb  5 02:20:49 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:20:49 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp Rescheduled
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	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1002040439590.16750@wm7d.net>
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On 2/4/2010 7:44 AM, Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
> Is there a list of camps anywhere?

If you make one.

Some folks from various user groups/meetups/gatherings/drinking clubs 
met recently to compare notes thanks to Joe Gregorio and Jay Cuthrell 
and there were at least three people from TriZPUG there. We were alerted 
to the following local calendar services which carry some events of 
interest:

http://rtpnet.org/mailman/listinfo/ieee-jhc

TriZPUG meetings/events somehow often magically appear on the above 
link. I think Mark Biggers may be the driver of that.

http://socialcarolina.org/

http://www.cavesofice.org/~badger/triangle/groups.html

I asked to have our meetings listed in the monthly calendar of the last 
link and was told:

"Irregularly-meeting groups I generally don't list in the calendar, so I 
took the TriZPUG entry out of the perpetual calendar section. Thanks for 
the update."

So I guess because we have November and December meetings on the third 
Thursday instead of the regular fourth, we must fall into the 
"Irregularly-meeting groups" category.

Anyone who wants to ride herd on any of the above on behalf of TriZPUG, 
feel free. We already post meetings/events on this list, on our site, on 
IRC, through RSS, on Twitter, on our Planet, and on meetup.com. That's 
kind of enough superstructure for me to manage.

> Are they posted to this list (if so I 
> missed this one).

If someone on this list is planning one, it will probably be announced 
on this list first.

This list has searchable archives:

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.zope.trizpug
http://search.gmane.org/?query=boot&author=&group=gmane.org.user-groups.zope.trizpug&sort=date&DEFAULTOP=and&xP=Zboot&xFILTERS=Gorg.user-groups.zope.trizpug---A

> I e-mailed Chris Calloway last week asking if there 
> was going to be a python/plone/zope camp this summer, but haven't heard 
> back

That was on Monday. I replied to you within 45 minutes and it hasn't 
bounced. Look in your spam folder? Here's a copy of what I wrote:

"On 1/29/2010 4:28 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
 >     Will there be any py/zope/plone/django camps local this year?

"You should ask this on the list because there are people planning 
events that I have no control over.

"I will not give a local PyCamp this year. It's no longer necessary. 
There is a Python course taught at UNC now. And there are short Python 
workshops taught on campus by others. PyCamp was filling a void when it 
started up. There is no longer a void.

"There may or not be a local Plone Boot Camp, depending on what Joel 
Burton decides. He decides in his own time and lets me know when he is 
ready."

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From jmack at wm7d.net  Fri Feb  5 03:35:05 2010
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:35:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TriZPUG] NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp Rescheduled
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On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Chris Calloway wrote:

>> I e-mailed Chris Calloway last week asking if there was 
>> going to be a python/plone/zope camp this summer, but 
>> haven't heard back
>
> That was on Monday. I replied to you within 45 minutes and 
> it hasn't bounced. Look in your spam folder? Here's a copy 
> of what I wrote:

Thanks for the attempt. I was suprised not to get a reply to 
you, since you reply to everything else here. I don't 
control the spam filters on this machine, so presumably it's 
gone to the bit bucket now. Thanks for the repost and for 
the other info. I get mail OK from trizpug at python.org so 
I'll reply on-list this time.

> "I will not give a local PyCamp this year. It's no longer 
> necessary. There is a Python course taught at UNC now.

I was looking for something for a high school student. 
Presumably this course you mention is a regular credit 
course?

> And there are short Python workshops taught on campus by 
> others.

where should I look for them?

> "There may or not be a local Plone Boot Camp, depending on 
> what Joel Burton decides. He decides in his own time and 
> lets me know when he is ready."

I'll watch here for it

Thanks Joe

-- 
Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina
jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
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From cbc at unc.edu  Sat Feb  6 01:20:57 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:20:57 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp Rescheduled
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On 2/4/2010 9:35 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
> you reply to everything else here.

Almost everything. I hope you know it's because I care. :)

> I get mail OK from trizpug at python.org 
> so I'll reply on-list this time.

That's good procedure.

>> There is a Python course taught at UNC now.
> 
> I was looking for something for a high school student. Presumably this 
> course you mention is a regular credit course?

Yes. Tom Roche knows more about it than I do. Tom?

Joseph, I thought you taught the high school students?

That's a great thing, what you do. There was a whole PyCon about that. A 
panel at UNC also concluded that the best thing you can do to spread 
FOSS is enlist FOSS soldiers while they're young. The advice: go forth 
and teach high school kids how to program Python.

I think you and I talked about materials to teach kids Python in the past.

We first have to mention TriZPUGer David Handy's specific course for 
teaching Python to kids:

http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/

Although younger kids use it, from what I've seen, it would be fine for 
high schoolers.

A few high school students came to a TriZPUG meeting once with their 
parents. This is what they were using and they rather liked it:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1598631128

Sorry for all the Amazon links. It was just easy. Buy books wherever you 
will.

Basically, games seem to be the ticket with kids, according to the 
conventional wisdom. So maybe this one as well:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1590598725

This is the new latest super strong mind warp for very, very beginner 
programmers using Python:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0596802374

It has some game things in it, but not to the degree of PyGame. And 
there's a lot of business-y kind of stuff in it which people who study 
how to teach programming to kids have told me will just turn them off. 
However, it really does assume that you know absolutely nothing about 
how to program.

Now, the ironic thing is that book was supposed to have originally been 
written by someone else (the book was at least two years late being 
published from when it was originally announced). The first author 
signed to write it was Dr. Vern Ceder from Canterbury School in Fort 
Wayne, Indiana. He gave this awesome talk at PyCon 2007 about teaching 
Python to high school students:

http://us.pycon.org/zope/talks/2007/fri/track4/025/talkDetails

He had a class where out of twenty students, only one student really 
liked it. So he used student feedback to rewrite his course. What he 
found was he could increase the number of kids in the class who really 
liked it to six by throwing out the shell and teaching only from a 
graphic package. That's why the talk is called "Goodbye Hello World."

Dr. Ceder's MoinMoin page is here:

http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/VernCeder

He's reported to be amenable to sharing his curriculum with other 
teachers. He just released this new book:

http://www.manning.com/ceder/

Anyway, he based his graphic Python in the classroom approach using this 
rather old PyGame package:

http://www.livewires.org.uk/python

which is used in at an annual and inexpensive Python kids summer 
programming camp in the UK. They seem to get more girls than boys at 
that camp. I don't know if that had to do with being faith-based camp or 
not. But good work!

When it comes to low-entry Python graphics packages, I think of:

http://vpython.org/

I don't know of any high school level courses built around it. But there 
are two college physics books built around it:

http://matterandinteractions.org/

The author teaches with those books at NCSU and was the featured speaker 
at the March 19, 2009 TriZPUG meeting.

You might get some traction from this email list:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

A lot of people there are using the standard library turtle.py module. 
You have to be careful with turtle. It was completely rewritten for 
Python 2.6.

The Python EduSIG page on the Python.org wiki is a voluminous list of 
resources, some of which are suitable, some of which, of course, are not:

http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig/

Check this out:

http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/writing/snake-wrangling-for-kids/

It has two boring chapters and then Chapter 3 jumps straight into 
turtle.py. Then it goes back to boring for four chapters. Then back to 
turtles. And then into Tkinter.

Of course, you really can't talk about teaching Python to kids without 
talking about Rurple:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUR-PLE

and I highly encourage you to look at that. It's very cool and much like 
other robot war programming environments.

>> And there are short Python workshops taught on campus by others.
> 
> where should I look for them?

Well, campus workshops are for campus people, pretty much. This groups 
has been giving Python workshops:

http://opentraining.unc.edu/

This one is coming up:

http://opentraining.unc.edu/groups/its/python-an-introduction-4-8-2010-2-00-pm-4-00-pm

But I'm pretty sure that's for people in the College of Arts and 
Sciences only.

I wish Mr. Jeff who is teaching these things would come to TriZPUG 
meetings. Mr. Stephan, would you please see if Mr. Jeff would subscribe 
to the TriZPUG email list? I don't want to be the only one inviting 
folks to church.

>> "There may or not be a local Plone Boot Camp, depending on what Joel 
>> Burton decides. He decides in his own time and lets me know when he is 
>> ready."
> 
> I'll watch here for it

That's the thing to do. This email exists pretty much for each of us to 
let the others know what we are doing, python-wise, when it is time to 
let people know.

I want Mr. Frank to talk about the Sauce Labs open space coming up at 
PyCon in two weeks.

The new Active Python includes pip and distribute instead of setuptools:

http://www.activestate.com/activepython/

BTW, here's how to win a free pass to PyCon:

http://blogs.activestate.com/2010/02/two-more-weeks-until-pycon-2010-and-were-giving-away-a-pass/

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599


From jmack at wm7d.net  Sat Feb  6 02:24:30 2010
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:24:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TriZPUG] NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp Rescheduled
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, Chris Calloway wrote:

> On 2/4/2010 9:35 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
>> you reply to everything else here.
>
> Almost everything. I hope you know it's because I care. :)

yes I know. You straighten everything out on this list.

>> I was looking for something for a high school student. 
>> Presumably this course you mention is a regular credit 
>> course?
>
> Yes. Tom Roche knows more about it than I do. Tom?
>
> Joseph, I thought you taught the high school students?

yes I do, but I want them to hear from other people as well 
and I don't know plone or zope.

> That's a great thing, what you do. There was a whole PyCon 
> about that. A panel at UNC also concluded that the best 
> thing you can do to spread FOSS is enlist FOSS soldiers 
> while they're young. The advice: go forth and teach high 
> school kids how to program Python.

exactly what I'm doing.

> I think you and I talked about materials to teach kids 
> Python in the past.

yes

> We first have to mention TriZPUGer David Handy's specific 
> course for teaching Python to kids:
>
> http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/

got it first thing about 2yrs ago to see whether teaching 
python was practical. After reading his book, I knew that it 
was possible and went right ahead.

> Basically, games seem to be the ticket with kids,

I've got a kid that's happy with classical programming, bit 
banging etc and not interested in games. He's onto C now and 
wants to build an adder from discrete parts. He's entering 
the python competition in Charleston at the end of Feb and 
is currently doing practice problems from other python 
competitions (the Charleston people don't give out past 
competition questions).

I've got another one that's not interested in classical 
programming - he did the Alice course at Duke 18mo ago and 
he's still doing Alice programming (but not python anymore).

> He had a class where out of twenty students, only one 
> student really liked it. So he used student feedback to 
> rewrite his course. What he found was he could increase 
> the number of kids in the class who really liked it to six 
> by throwing out the shell and teaching only from a graphic 
> package. That's why the talk is called "Goodbye Hello 
> World."

how about that. I took the Alice course myself, and wasn't 
that impressed with it as a language. But I was impressed to 
see this student, the one that was having trouble with 
classic programming, picked up Alice and is still running 
with it now. So I've seen that a wide range of teaching 
approaches is needed to get all the kids.

> Anyway, he based his graphic Python in the classroom 
> approach using this rather old PyGame package:
>
> http://www.livewires.org.uk/python

know it well

> You might get some traction from this email list:
>
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Didn't know about it. Have just joined.

> A lot of people there are using the standard library 
> turtle.py module. You have to be careful with turtle. It 
> was completely rewritten for Python 2.6.

I'm really not into games I'm afraid and I don't attempt to 
teach them. My heart isn't in it and even if I did it, I'm 
sure the kids would see my attitude shining through. Kids 
who want games are going to have to get them from someone 
else.

> The Python EduSIG page on the Python.org wiki is a 
> voluminous list of resources, some of which are suitable, 
> some of which, of course, are not:
>
> http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig/
>
> Check this out:
>
> http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/writing/snake-wrangling-for-kids/

know it thanks.

> Then it goes back to boring for four chapters. Then back 
> to turtles. And then into Tkinter.

am using Tkinter in my course.

> Of course, you really can't talk about teaching Python to 
> kids without talking about Rurple:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUR-PLE

didn't know about this. My main student is happy with vi. 
Neither of us can stand IDLE.

>>> And there are short Python workshops taught on campus by others.
>> 
>> where should I look for them?
>
> Well, campus workshops are for campus people, pretty much.

that's what I need to know. No sense pestering people whose 
job it is to help someone else.

>>> "There may or not be a local Plone Boot Camp, depending 
>>> on what Joel Burton decides. He decides in his own time 
>>> and lets me know when he is ready."
>> 
>> I'll watch here for it
>
> That's the thing to do. This email exists pretty much for 
> each of us to let the others know what we are doing, 
> python-wise, when it is time to let people know.

I've pretty much got standard python covered for my 
class. I've popped up here and asked questions when I needed 
help and I've always got straightened out very quickly and 
courteously.

I don't know javascript or jQuery myself, so I jumped at 
Feb 20.

My student is looking for summer camps and would be 
interested in any week-long camps (local preferred) for 
someone who already has a passing aquaintance with python

> The new Active Python includes pip and distribute instead 
> of setuptools:
>
> http://www.activestate.com/activepython/

sounds interesting. I'm not ecstatic about setuptools 
(haven't found a way to do `make clean`)

Thanks for all the pointers

Joe
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From cbc at unc.edu  Sat Feb  6 05:26:41 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:26:41 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Planet Updates
Message-ID: <4B6CEF81.5060803@unc.edu>

http://planet.trizpug.org/

has been updated such that TriZPUG Events now list at their start time 
instead of modification date for fewer misunderstandings.

http://events.trizpug.org/

has been updated such that <dc:date> is the event start time instead of 
the effective time. This will feed future events by default.

http://trizpug.org/events

has been updated such that event summaries highlight the start date 
instead of the publication date.

Events older than April 2009 have some timezone issues due to a server 
relocation across time zones. These are being fixed on a time available 
basis.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From morrison at ncssm.edu  Sat Feb  6 17:42:57 2010
From: morrison at ncssm.edu (Dr. John M. Morrison)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:42:57 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1265454001.12897.trizpug@python.org>
References: <mailman.9.1265454001.12897.trizpug@python.org>
Message-ID: <4B6D9C11.7090503@ncssm.edu>

We have been teaching Python at the North Carolina School of Science and 
Mathematics for six years. I know Gary Bishop, a faculty member at UNC 
who started the new intro programming course using numpy, matplotlib and 
the ipython interface. Gary and I have had quite a few discussions about 
using Python as a first language for new programmers. We at NCSSM have 
been quite successful with it. I attended the Friday morning lab 
sessions for Gary's new class during August, September, October and 
November, until
my schedule changed with the new trimester. I think both UNC and NCSSM 
are on to some good things.

My website is

http://www.ncssm.edu/~morrison

and my colleague Dennis Yeh's website is

http://www.ncssm.edu/~yeh

On that page, click on the School link in the navigation area. Then a 
page will appear on the right with Block D Intro programming linked to 
it. Click on that. Quite a few of the class proceedings are on the web. 
We use an unpublished manuscript called Computing in Python which I have 
been writing as the course has developed.

John M. Morrison
Chief Wizard of Computing
NCSSM

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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:20:57 -0500
> From: Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu>
> To: "Triangle (North Carolina) Zope and Python Users Group"
>         <trizpug at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [TriZPUG] NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp Rescheduled
> Message-ID: <4B6CB5E9.9000403 at unc.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 2/4/2010 9:35 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
>   
>> you reply to everything else here.
>>     
>
> Almost everything. I hope you know it's because I care. :)
>
>   
>> I get mail OK from trizpug at python.org
>> so I'll reply on-list this time.
>>     
>
> That's good procedure.
>
>   
>>> There is a Python course taught at UNC now.
>>>       
>> I was looking for something for a high school student. Presumably this
>> course you mention is a regular credit course?
>>     
>
> Yes. Tom Roche knows more about it than I do. Tom?
>
> Joseph, I thought you taught the high school students?
>
> That's a great thing, what you do. There was a whole PyCon about that. A
> panel at UNC also concluded that the best thing you can do to spread
> FOSS is enlist FOSS soldiers while they're young. The advice: go forth
> and teach high school kids how to program Python.
>
> I think you and I talked about materials to teach kids Python in the past.
>
> We first have to mention TriZPUGer David Handy's specific course for
> teaching Python to kids:
>
> http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/
>
> Although younger kids use it, from what I've seen, it would be fine for
> high schoolers.
>
> A few high school students came to a TriZPUG meeting once with their
> parents. This is what they were using and they rather liked it:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/1598631128
>
> Sorry for all the Amazon links. It was just easy. Buy books wherever you
> will.
>
> Basically, games seem to be the ticket with kids, according to the
> conventional wisdom. So maybe this one as well:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/1590598725
>
> This is the new latest super strong mind warp for very, very beginner
> programmers using Python:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/0596802374
>
> It has some game things in it, but not to the degree of PyGame. And
> there's a lot of business-y kind of stuff in it which people who study
> how to teach programming to kids have told me will just turn them off.
> However, it really does assume that you know absolutely nothing about
> how to program.
>
> Now, the ironic thing is that book was supposed to have originally been
> written by someone else (the book was at least two years late being
> published from when it was originally announced). The first author
> signed to write it was Dr. Vern Ceder from Canterbury School in Fort
> Wayne, Indiana. He gave this awesome talk at PyCon 2007 about teaching
> Python to high school students:
>
> http://us.pycon.org/zope/talks/2007/fri/track4/025/talkDetails
>
> He had a class where out of twenty students, only one student really
> liked it. So he used student feedback to rewrite his course. What he
> found was he could increase the number of kids in the class who really
> liked it to six by throwing out the shell and teaching only from a
> graphic package. That's why the talk is called "Goodbye Hello World."
>
> Dr. Ceder's MoinMoin page is here:
>
> http://tech.canterburyschool.org/tech/VernCeder
>
> He's reported to be amenable to sharing his curriculum with other
> teachers. He just released this new book:
>
> http://www.manning.com/ceder/
>
> Anyway, he based his graphic Python in the classroom approach using this
> rather old PyGame package:
>
> http://www.livewires.org.uk/python
>
> which is used in at an annual and inexpensive Python kids summer
> programming camp in the UK. They seem to get more girls than boys at
> that camp. I don't know if that had to do with being faith-based camp or
> not. But good work!
>
> When it comes to low-entry Python graphics packages, I think of:
>
> http://vpython.org/
>
> I don't know of any high school level courses built around it. But there
> are two college physics books built around it:
>
> http://matterandinteractions.org/
>
> The author teaches with those books at NCSU and was the featured speaker
> at the March 19, 2009 TriZPUG meeting.
>
> You might get some traction from this email list:
>
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
> A lot of people there are using the standard library turtle.py module.
> You have to be careful with turtle. It was completely rewritten for
> Python 2.6.
>
> The Python EduSIG page on the Python.org wiki is a voluminous list of
> resources, some of which are suitable, some of which, of course, are not:
>
> http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig/
>
> Check this out:
>
> http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/writing/snake-wrangling-for-kids/
>
> It has two boring chapters and then Chapter 3 jumps straight into
> turtle.py. Then it goes back to boring for four chapters. Then back to
> turtles. And then into Tkinter.
>
> Of course, you really can't talk about teaching Python to kids without
> talking about Rurple:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUR-PLE
>
> and I highly encourage you to look at that. It's very cool and much like
> other robot war programming environments.
>
>   
>>> And there are short Python workshops taught on campus by others.
>>>       
>> where should I look for them?
>>     
>
> Well, campus workshops are for campus people, pretty much. This groups
> has been giving Python workshops:
>
> http://opentraining.unc.edu/
>
> This one is coming up:
>
> http://opentraining.unc.edu/groups/its/python-an-introduction-4-8-2010-2-00-pm-4-00-pm
>
> But I'm pretty sure that's for people in the College of Arts and
> Sciences only.
>
> I wish Mr. Jeff who is teaching these things would come to TriZPUG
> meetings. Mr. Stephan, would you please see if Mr. Jeff would subscribe
> to the TriZPUG email list? I don't want to be the only one inviting
> folks to church.
>
>   
>>> "There may or not be a local Plone Boot Camp, depending on what Joel
>>> Burton decides. He decides in his own time and lets me know when he is
>>> ready."
>>>       
>> I'll watch here for it
>>     
>
> That's the thing to do. This email exists pretty much for each of us to
> let the others know what we are doing, python-wise, when it is time to
> let people know.
>
> I want Mr. Frank to talk about the Sauce Labs open space coming up at
> PyCon in two weeks.
>
> The new Active Python includes pip and distribute instead of setuptools:
>
> http://www.activestate.com/activepython/
>
> BTW, here's how to win a free pass to PyCon:
>
> http://blogs.activestate.com/2010/02/two-more-weeks-until-pycon-2010-and-were-giving-away-a-pass/
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Calloway
> http://www.secoora.org
> office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:24:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: Joseph Mack NA3T <jmack at wm7d.net>
> To: cbc at unc.edu, "Triangle (North Carolina) Zope and Python Users
>         Group"  <trizpug at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [TriZPUG] NC jQuery & JavaScript Camp Rescheduled
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1002051638580.29033 at wm7d.net>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, Chris Calloway wrote:
>
>   
>> On 2/4/2010 9:35 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
>>     
>>> you reply to everything else here.
>>>       
>> Almost everything. I hope you know it's because I care. :)
>>     
>
> yes I know. You straighten everything out on this list.
>
>   
>>> I was looking for something for a high school student.
>>> Presumably this course you mention is a regular credit
>>> course?
>>>       
>> Yes. Tom Roche knows more about it than I do. Tom?
>>
>> Joseph, I thought you taught the high school students?
>>     
>
> yes I do, but I want them to hear from other people as well
> and I don't know plone or zope.
>
>   
>> That's a great thing, what you do. There was a whole PyCon
>> about that. A panel at UNC also concluded that the best
>> thing you can do to spread FOSS is enlist FOSS soldiers
>> while they're young. The advice: go forth and teach high
>> school kids how to program Python.
>>     
>
> exactly what I'm doing.
>
>   
>> I think you and I talked about materials to teach kids
>> Python in the past.
>>     
>
> yes
>
>   
>> We first have to mention TriZPUGer David Handy's specific
>> course for teaching Python to kids:
>>
>> http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/
>>     
>
> got it first thing about 2yrs ago to see whether teaching
> python was practical. After reading his book, I knew that it
> was possible and went right ahead.
>
>   
>> Basically, games seem to be the ticket with kids,
>>     
>
> I've got a kid that's happy with classical programming, bit
> banging etc and not interested in games. He's onto C now and
> wants to build an adder from discrete parts. He's entering
> the python competition in Charleston at the end of Feb and
> is currently doing practice problems from other python
> competitions (the Charleston people don't give out past
> competition questions).
>
> I've got another one that's not interested in classical
> programming - he did the Alice course at Duke 18mo ago and
> he's still doing Alice programming (but not python anymore).
>
>   
>> He had a class where out of twenty students, only one
>> student really liked it. So he used student feedback to
>> rewrite his course. What he found was he could increase
>> the number of kids in the class who really liked it to six
>> by throwing out the shell and teaching only from a graphic
>> package. That's why the talk is called "Goodbye Hello
>> World."
>>     
>
> how about that. I took the Alice course myself, and wasn't
> that impressed with it as a language. But I was impressed to
> see this student, the one that was having trouble with
> classic programming, picked up Alice and is still running
> with it now. So I've seen that a wide range of teaching
> approaches is needed to get all the kids.
>
>   
>> Anyway, he based his graphic Python in the classroom
>> approach using this rather old PyGame package:
>>
>> http://www.livewires.org.uk/python
>>     
>
> know it well
>
>   
>> You might get some traction from this email list:
>>
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>>     
>
> Didn't know about it. Have just joined.
>
>   
>> A lot of people there are using the standard library
>> turtle.py module. You have to be careful with turtle. It
>> was completely rewritten for Python 2.6.
>>     
>
> I'm really not into games I'm afraid and I don't attempt to
> teach them. My heart isn't in it and even if I did it, I'm
> sure the kids would see my attitude shining through. Kids
> who want games are going to have to get them from someone
> else.
>
>   
>> The Python EduSIG page on the Python.org wiki is a
>> voluminous list of resources, some of which are suitable,
>> some of which, of course, are not:
>>
>> http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig/
>>
>> Check this out:
>>
>> http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/writing/snake-wrangling-for-kids/
>>     
>
> know it thanks.
>
>   
>> Then it goes back to boring for four chapters. Then back
>> to turtles. And then into Tkinter.
>>     
>
> am using Tkinter in my course.
>
>   
>> Of course, you really can't talk about teaching Python to
>> kids without talking about Rurple:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUR-PLE
>>     
>
> didn't know about this. My main student is happy with vi.
> Neither of us can stand IDLE.
>
>   
>>>> And there are short Python workshops taught on campus by others.
>>>>         
>>> where should I look for them?
>>>       
>> Well, campus workshops are for campus people, pretty much.
>>     
>
> that's what I need to know. No sense pestering people whose
> job it is to help someone else.
>
>   
>>>> "There may or not be a local Plone Boot Camp, depending
>>>> on what Joel Burton decides. He decides in his own time
>>>> and lets me know when he is ready."
>>>>         
>>> I'll watch here for it
>>>       
>> That's the thing to do. This email exists pretty much for
>> each of us to let the others know what we are doing,
>> python-wise, when it is time to let people know.
>>     
>
> I've pretty much got standard python covered for my
> class. I've popped up here and asked questions when I needed
> help and I've always got straightened out very quickly and
> courteously.
>
> I don't know javascript or jQuery myself, so I jumped at
> Feb 20.
>
> My student is looking for summer camps and would be
> interested in any week-long camps (local preferred) for
> someone who already has a passing aquaintance with python
>
>   
>> The new Active Python includes pip and distribute instead
>> of setuptools:
>>
>> http://www.activestate.com/activepython/
>>     
>
> sounds interesting. I'm not ecstatic about setuptools
> (haven't found a way to do `make clean`)
>
> Thanks for all the pointers
>
> Joe
> --
> Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina
> jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
> generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
> Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:26:41 -0500
> From: Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu>
> To: "Triangle (North Carolina) Zope and Python Users Group"
>         <trizpug at python.org>
> Subject: [TriZPUG] Planet Updates
> Message-ID: <4B6CEF81.5060803 at unc.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> http://planet.trizpug.org/
>
> has been updated such that TriZPUG Events now list at their start time
> instead of modification date for fewer misunderstandings.
>
> http://events.trizpug.org/
>
> has been updated such that <dc:date> is the event start time instead of
> the effective time. This will feed future events by default.
>
> http://trizpug.org/events
>
> has been updated such that event summaries highlight the start date
> instead of the publication date.
>
> Events older than April 2009 have some timezone issues due to a server
> relocation across time zones. These are being fixed on a time available
> basis.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Calloway
> http://www.secoora.org
> office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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From jmack at wm7d.net  Sat Feb  6 18:05:31 2010
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:05:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <4B6D9C11.7090503@ncssm.edu>
References: <mailman.9.1265454001.12897.trizpug@python.org>
	<4B6D9C11.7090503@ncssm.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1002060901030.15959@wm7d.net>

On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, Dr. John M. Morrison wrote:

> My website is
>
> http://www.ncssm.edu/~morrison

the student, who is going to the Charleston programming 
competition later this month, had told me about you a little 
while back. I printed your programming course notes for him. 
Thanks

> and my colleague Dennis Yeh's website is
>
> http://www.ncssm.edu/~yeh

didn't know about Dennis. Thanks for the info

Joe

--
Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina
jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml 
Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!

From Tom_Roche at pobox.com  Sun Feb  7 22:58:53 2010
From: Tom_Roche at pobox.com (Tom Roche)
Date: Sun,  7 Feb 2010 16:58:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TriZPUG] NCSSM python resource problem
Message-ID: <20100207215853.25AB3141D3C04@cedar.isis.unc.edu>


[Sermon on the evils of
* quoting an entire digest post
* top-posting
omitted, just this once.]

Dr. John M. Morrison Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:42:57 -0500
> My website is

> http://www.ncssm.edu/~morrison

> and my colleague Dennis Yeh's website is

> http://www.ncssm.edu/~yeh

> On that page, click on the School link in the navigation area.

I don't see a "navigation area" on Yeh's page (with my user-agent=FF
3.5.7 on ubuntu karmic), so I'll assume this refers to Morrison's
page.

> Then a page will appear on the right with Block D Intro programming
> linked to it. 

On Morrison's page, when I click on the School link in the
navigation area I get no change of page on the right. Instead I get a
new set of links "under" (in the outline sense) the School link:

after http://www.ncssm.edu/~morrison/indexOne.php?callPrintSchool=0
> Current Classes
> Miniterm 2010
> Miniterm 2009
> Miniterm 2008
> Trimester 1 Classes, 08-09
> NCSSM ataglance
> Letters of Rec
> Colleges
> Programming
> Programming Contests
> AP Exam Schedule
> Study Guide for Math at NCSSM
> Policy on A+
> 2005 TCM Talk
> 2006 TCM Talk

Am I missing something?

From ogmaciel at gnome.org  Tue Feb  9 01:03:31 2010
From: ogmaciel at gnome.org (Og Maciel)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:03:31 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] PyCamp: Pretty Please?
Message-ID: <98a1f5281002081603j5f7abacfg1ad7516bceeec467@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys!

Just heard of PyCamp for the first time and I would really, really,
really like to do it but the registration is closed... :/  Does anyone
know if there's a "standby" list by any chance?

Cheers,
-- 
Og B. Maciel

omaciel at foresightlinux.org
ogmaciel at gnome.org
ogmaciel at ubuntu.com

GPG Keys: D5CFC202

http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US)
http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR)

From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Feb  9 17:17:11 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:17:11 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] PyCamp: Pretty Please?
In-Reply-To: <98a1f5281002081603j5f7abacfg1ad7516bceeec467@mail.gmail.com>
References: <98a1f5281002081603j5f7abacfg1ad7516bceeec467@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B718A87.3070709@unc.edu>

On 2/8/2010 7:03 PM, Og Maciel wrote:
> Just heard of PyCamp for the first time and I would really, really,
> really like to do it but the registration is closed... :/  Does anyone
> know if there's a "standby" list by any chance?

Og,

Which PyCamp are you talking about? The last one was last summer in 
Toronto. There's not one coming up on the calendar:

http://trizpug.org/events

Also, did you look at the syllabus for the past one? PyCamp is for 
people who don't know Python, or who know very little Python. From your 
lightning talk a couple of weeks ago, I'm guessing that's not you.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599


From ogmaciel at gnome.org  Tue Feb  9 18:29:44 2010
From: ogmaciel at gnome.org (Og Maciel)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:29:44 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] PyCamp: Pretty Please?
In-Reply-To: <4B718A87.3070709@unc.edu>
References: <98a1f5281002081603j5f7abacfg1ad7516bceeec467@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B718A87.3070709@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <98a1f5281002090929u1f3e722di8291edf46c4a1e66@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Chris,

Yeah, shortly after posting my message here it hit me that I was
looking at the 2009 event. The funny things was that I first heard of
it via a Tweet message that same night and I automatically assumed it
was an upcoming event. :)

> Also, did you look at the syllabus for the past one? PyCamp is for people
> who don't know Python, or who know very little Python. From your lightning
> talk a couple of weeks ago, I'm guessing that's not you.

I'm definitely not a beginner but what attracted me to pycamp was not
the level but that it would be applied in science, which to me is
still a novelty. Even though I have a BS in biochemistry, I have never
been in an environment where people were using open source for their
research...

Cheers,
-- 
Og B. Maciel

omaciel at foresightlinux.org
ogmaciel at gnome.org
ogmaciel at ubuntu.com

GPG Keys: D5CFC202

http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US)
http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR)

From csl at med.unc.edu  Tue Feb  9 19:13:16 2010
From: csl at med.unc.edu (csl at med.unc.edu)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:13:16 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] NCSSM python resource problem
In-Reply-To: <20100207215853.25AB3141D3C04@cedar.isis.unc.edu>
References: <20100207215853.25AB3141D3C04@cedar.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <f6aa2277bb8ae.4b715f6c@med.unc.edu>



----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com>
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010 17:01
Subject: [TriZPUG] NCSSM python resource problem
To: trizpug at python.org

> 
> [Sermon on the evils of
> * quoting an entire digest post
> * top-posting
> omitted, just this once.]
> 
> Dr. John M. Morrison Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:42:57 -0500
> > My website is
> 
> > http://www.ncssm.edu/~morrison
> 
> > and my colleague Dennis Yeh's website is
> 
> > http://www.ncssm.edu/~yeh
> 
> > On that page, click on the School link in the navigation area.
> 
> I don't see a "navigation area" on Yeh's page (with my user-agent=FF
> 3.5.7 on ubuntu karmic), so I'll assume this refers to Morrison's
> page.
> 
> > Then a page will appear on the right with Block D Intro programming
> > linked to it. 
> 
> On Morrison's page, when I click on the School link in the
> navigation area I get no change of page on the right. Instead I 
> get a
> new set of links "under" (in the outline sense) the School link:
> 
> after http://www.ncssm.edu/~morrison/indexOne.php?callPrintSchool=0
> > Current Classes
> > Miniterm 2010
> > Miniterm 2009
> > Miniterm 2008
> > Trimester 1 Classes, 08-09
> > NCSSM ataglance
> > Letters of Rec
> > Colleges
> > Programming
> > Programming Contests
> > AP Exam Schedule
> > Study Guide for Math at NCSSM
> > Policy on A+
> > 2005 TCM Talk
> > 2006 TCM Talk
> 
> Am I missing something?

Worked as described for me.? Initially a picture on the right frame, Navigation links in the left.? Clicking on School changed the right frame to an series of links to specific course information.? Afterwards the School link in the left toggles a display of a subgroup of links.

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From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Feb  9 20:41:55 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:41:55 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] PyCamp: Pretty Please?
Message-ID: <4B71BA83.8000300@unc.edu>

On 2/9/2010 12:29 PM, Og Maciel wrote:
> Yeah, shortly after posting my message here it hit me that I was
> looking at the 2009 event. The funny things was that I first heard of
> it via a Tweet message that same night and I automatically assumed it
> was an upcoming event. :)

Sorry about that. I've been trying to get our feeds for events and news 
better behaved for Planet. In doing so, the same feeds are picked up by 
our automatic Twitter posting service and I forgot to turn that off 
while I was working. There was some feed trashing while got it right. 
Now that events are tagged to start dates and news items are tagged to 
effective dates, I'm hoping this won't happen again.

> I'm definitely not a beginner but what attracted me to pycamp was not
> the level but that it would be applied in science, which to me is
> still a novelty. Even though I have a BS in biochemistry, I have never
> been in an environment where people were using open source for their
> research...

Python and Perl are now pretty indispensable in biochem research.
BioPerl exceeds BioPython in many areas and has a longer history. But
BioPython has things only it can do and is developing more quickly.

BioPython 1.53 was released this past December 15. Unfortunately, the
hosting for both it and the Open Bioinformatics Foundation (which
sponsors BioPython, BioPerl, BioJava, BioRuby, and a bunch of others)
seems to have had some kind of nuclear meltdown in just today:

http://open-bio.org/

A post today to the BioPython mailing list says it is just temporary
maintenance.

In the meantime, BioPython is a standard Debian package. So just apt-get
install python-biopython.

There is a core of PyMol users here at UNC:

http://www.pymol.org/

ProDaMa is Python protein dataset management that works with BLAST and PDB:

http://iasc2.diee.unica.it/prodama/

BIANA is a pretty sophisticated protein analysis framework for Python:

http://sbi.imim.es/web/BIANA.php

You probably want to check out:

the *3rd Edition* of Python Scripting for Computational Science:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/3540739157/

A Primer on Scientific Programming with Python:

http://www.amazon.com//dp/3642024742

Bioinformatics Programming Using Python:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/059615450X

Jason Kinser's Python for Bioinformatics:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0763751863

Sebastian Bassi's Python for Bioinformatics:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1584889292

Bioinformatics Programming in Python:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/3527320946

Any of those would be better for you than an afternoon at PyCamp of,
"This is how NumPy implements the Python array protocol."

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599


From cbc at unc.edu  Thu Feb 11 20:54:14 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:54:14 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Feburary 2010 Meeting: Your Presentation Goes
 Here: LOCATION CHANGE
In-Reply-To: <4B6B725A.8070101@unc.edu>
References: <4B6B725A.8070101@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <4B746066.8080303@unc.edu>

On 2/4/2010 8:20 PM, Chris Calloway wrote:
> http://trizpug.org/Members/psmith/feb-10-mtg

The location for this meeting (in two weeks) has changed to MetaMetrics, 
1000 Park Forty Plaza Drive, Suite 120, Durham.

That's right off I-40 at the Hwy 55 exit near Hwy 54:

http://www.metametricsinc.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?view=mm&tabindex=10&tabid=65

Thanks to Kurt to letting us meet there this month. And thanks to Paul 
for working with us on that.

The location has more than one nearby place for after meeting joy.

There is also a very nearby Korean BBQ place called Chosun Ok that is 
pretty popular. I'd be up for meeting there at 5:30 or so for dinner 
before the meeting if anyone is interested.

Still looking for a presentation speaker, if you'd like to be it.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From jcd at sdf.lonestar.org  Tue Feb 16 01:31:32 2010
From: jcd at sdf.lonestar.org (J. Cliff Dyer)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:31:32 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] PyCon travel.
Message-ID: <1266280292.2304.19.camel@webb>

Hey all,

Just a quick last minute announcement that I am in fact going to PyCon.
I'm doing a couple tutorials on Thursday, so I'll be driving down on
Wednesday evening and back on Sunday evening.  If anyone needs a ride
either way, (or can offer a ride at both those times) let me know.

Also, if anyone still has some space in a hotel room, for all or part of
that time, I'd be happy to chip in.

Cheers,
Cliff




From glassresistor at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 23:10:29 2010
From: glassresistor at gmail.com (Michael Clemmons)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:10:29 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16.1266318001.7589.trizpug@python.org>
References: <mailman.16.1266318001.7589.trizpug@python.org>
Message-ID: <4427a97a1002161410j2b8ff14cq981a8ea1349f5a71@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all and specifically Chris,
I'm going to pycon with the caktus guys and the plan is to leave on thurs
and come back tues.
I have a friend charlie who both wants to tour some of the local hardware
recycling in the area and go check out some "hackspaces", which are just
houses with lab benchs for hardware and software projects.  He also is
thinking of trying to check out some of the pycon events depending on
availability of tickets and such.
I have a place for he and I to stay while we are in town and we might be
able to offer another bed or room to sleep in which is only afew minutes via
subway to the hotel if Chris or anyone else is interested.
I'm leaving thursday at 3 to go with the Caktus group but we have a full car
if anyone can  take charlie and/or possibly give me a ride back after
tuesdays since thats when Caktus leave that would be great(so 1 there and 1
back(anytime) is all thats needed but 1 there and 2back after tues is
preffered).  If anyone can take someone there and back you should let me
know and ill check through list-serv logs as well.   I'd like to stay longer
if possible and spend time with a close friend.
I'm willing to help with $$  cash but would prefer, help, feeding and
shteltering ppl while they are in atlanta instead.  My friends house has
allot of cool computer toys and we will be build a eucalyptus cloud one
night if anyone wants to help.  Please get back asap and reply back to me
and the group since i get this list serve via Digests and replying back
directly will get back to me much faster also calling 910 524 4383 will
work.
Anyone wanting to hang and explore atlanta at night is welcome to come
outside the Hyatt where local programmers meetup and see whats happening
with technology in atlanta.  Just call or find me in person.
thanks again,
Michael


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> Hey all,
>
> Just a quick last minute announcement that I am in fact going to PyCon.
> I'm doing a couple tutorials on Thursday, so I'll be driving down on
> Wednesday evening and back on Sunday evening.  If anyone needs a ride
> either way, (or can offer a ride at both those times) let me know.
>
> Also, if anyone still has some space in a hotel room, for all or part of
> that time, I'd be happy to chip in.
>
> Cheers,
> Cliff
>
>
>
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From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Feb 17 16:11:12 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:11:12 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <4427a97a1002161410j2b8ff14cq981a8ea1349f5a71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.16.1266318001.7589.trizpug@python.org>
	<4427a97a1002161410j2b8ff14cq981a8ea1349f5a71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B7C0710.5040605@unc.edu>

On 2/16/2010 5:10 PM, Michael Clemmons wrote:
> I have a friend charlie who both wants to tour some of the local hardware
> recycling in the area and go check out some "hackspaces", which are just
> houses with lab benchs for hardware and software projects.  He also is
> thinking of trying to check out some of the pycon events depending on
> availability of tickets and such.

Tickets at the door are $400 each.

They will still have you go to 
https://us.pycon.org/2010/register/default/register to register, and 
then just pay at the registration table instead of pay online.

> I have a place for he and I to stay while we are in town and we might be
> able to offer another bed or room to sleep in which is only afew minutes via
> subway to the hotel if Chris or anyone else is interested.

Paging Cliff Dyer. Paging Mr. Dyer. Place to stay on aisle 4.

> I'm leaving thursday at 3 to go with the Caktus group but we have a full car
> if anyone can  take charlie and/or possibly give me a ride back after
> tuesdays since thats when Caktus leave that would be great(so 1 there and 1
> back(anytime) is all thats needed but 1 there and 2back after tues is
> preffered).  If anyone can take someone there and back you should let me
> know and ill check through list-serv logs as well.   I'd like to stay longer
> if possible and spend time with a close friend.

I leave Thursday at 6am from my place and return on Monday pretty at the 
hour I feel like it. I can't stay until Tuesday. But my offer of rides 
at the times stated stands.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From dragonstrider at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 16:28:56 2010
From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph Tate)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:28:56 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <4B7C0710.5040605@unc.edu>
References: <mailman.16.1266318001.7589.trizpug@python.org>
	<4427a97a1002161410j2b8ff14cq981a8ea1349f5a71@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B7C0710.5040605@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <d3f621b71002170728j70f0c568t4ddfb2e326f62221@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu> wrote:
> On 2/16/2010 5:10 PM, Michael Clemmons wrote:
>> I'm leaving thursday at 3 to go with the Caktus group but we have a full
>> car
>> if anyone can ?take charlie and/or possibly give me a ride back after
>> tuesdays since thats when Caktus leave that would be great(so 1 there and
>> 1
>> back(anytime) is all thats needed but 1 there and 2back after tues is
>> preffered). ?If anyone can take someone there and back you should let me
>> know and ill check through list-serv logs as well. ? I'd like to stay
>> longer
>> if possible and spend time with a close friend.
>
> I leave Thursday at 6am from my place and return on Monday pretty at the
> hour I feel like it. I can't stay until Tuesday. But my offer of rides at
> the times stated stands.

I'm leaving tomorrow also, but at about 10:00 AM; won't be returning
though until Friday next.  I don't need a place to stay, but would
like to see some of Atlanta's techy hangouts.

-- 
Joseph Tate
Personal e-mail: jtate AT dragonstrider DOT com
Web: http://www.dragonstrider.com

From glassresistor at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 20:25:32 2010
From: glassresistor at gmail.com (Michael Clemmons)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:25:32 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <d3f621b71002170728j70f0c568t4ddfb2e326f62221@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.16.1266318001.7589.trizpug@python.org>
	<4427a97a1002161410j2b8ff14cq981a8ea1349f5a71@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B7C0710.5040605@unc.edu>
	<d3f621b71002170728j70f0c568t4ddfb2e326f62221@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4427a97a1002171125h46ed3378j9a552840959779fe@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Joseph,
That sounds great my number is at the top of the list contact me via phone
if you like.  Would you be able to take 2 back?  I will talk with my friend
about leaving with you tomorrow.  As far as treking through Atlanta we
should just meetup on thurs or friday night and can talk with some locals
and build some plans.
-Michael

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Joseph Tate <dragonstrider at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu> wrote:
> > On 2/16/2010 5:10 PM, Michael Clemmons wrote:
> >> I'm leaving thursday at 3 to go with the Caktus group but we have a full
> >> car
> >> if anyone can  take charlie and/or possibly give me a ride back after
> >> tuesdays since thats when Caktus leave that would be great(so 1 there
> and
> >> 1
> >> back(anytime) is all thats needed but 1 there and 2back after tues is
> >> preffered).  If anyone can take someone there and back you should let me
> >> know and ill check through list-serv logs as well.   I'd like to stay
> >> longer
> >> if possible and spend time with a close friend.
> >
> > I leave Thursday at 6am from my place and return on Monday pretty at the
> > hour I feel like it. I can't stay until Tuesday. But my offer of rides at
> > the times stated stands.
>
> I'm leaving tomorrow also, but at about 10:00 AM; won't be returning
> though until Friday next.  I don't need a place to stay, but would
> like to see some of Atlanta's techy hangouts.
>
> --
> Joseph Tate
> Personal e-mail: jtate AT dragonstrider DOT com
> Web: http://www.dragonstrider.com
>
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From glassresistor at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 08:19:27 2010
From: glassresistor at gmail.com (Michael Clemmons)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:19:27 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <4B7C0710.5040605@unc.edu>
References: <mailman.16.1266318001.7589.trizpug@python.org>
	<4427a97a1002161410j2b8ff14cq981a8ea1349f5a71@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B7C0710.5040605@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <4427a97a1002172319w26fda6b3s2eed95fa331e9c1d@mail.gmail.com>

Wensday is great. We wake up 5-515 please call and confirm your pickin him
up that you should call 910 524 4383(me) and 919 448 7447(charlie).  We live
at 102 hanna st off N. Greensboro.  Please don't forget us.
-MIchel

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu> wrote:

> On 2/16/2010 5:10 PM, Michael Clemmons wrote:
>
>> I have a friend charlie who both wants to tour some of the local hardware
>> recycling in the area and go check out some "hackspaces", which are just
>> houses with lab benchs for hardware and software projects.  He also is
>> thinking of trying to check out some of the pycon events depending on
>> availability of tickets and such.
>>
>
> Tickets at the door are $400 each.
>
> They will still have you go to
> https://us.pycon.org/2010/register/default/register to register, and then
> just pay at the registration table instead of pay online.
>
>
>  I have a place for he and I to stay while we are in town and we might be
>> able to offer another bed or room to sleep in which is only afew minutes
>> via
>> subway to the hotel if Chris or anyone else is interested.
>>
>
> Paging Cliff Dyer. Paging Mr. Dyer. Place to stay on aisle 4.
>
>
>  I'm leaving thursday at 3 to go with the Caktus group but we have a full
>> car
>> if anyone can  take charlie and/or possibly give me a ride back after
>> tuesdays since thats when Caktus leave that would be great(so 1 there and
>> 1
>> back(anytime) is all thats needed but 1 there and 2back after tues is
>> preffered).  If anyone can take someone there and back you should let me
>> know and ill check through list-serv logs as well.   I'd like to stay
>> longer
>> if possible and spend time with a close friend.
>>
>
> I leave Thursday at 6am from my place and return on Monday pretty at the
> hour I feel like it. I can't stay until Tuesday. But my offer of rides at
> the times stated stands.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Calloway
> http://www.secoora.org
> office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
>
>
>
>
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From glassresistor at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 02:18:01 2010
From: glassresistor at gmail.com (Michael Clemmons)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:18:01 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Coming back from pycon
Message-ID: <4427a97a1002231718p734c98b1g2eabcbc87db51239@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,
If anyone is still in the Atlanta area and coming back to the triangle area
with an extra seat or 2 if possible that would be amazin.  I've already come
back to NC since I needed to get back to work.  We came into Atlanta with a
ride back but the car broke down in and Atlanta and can't be braught back.
My phone is 910 524 4383 and Charlie's number is who is still in town 919
448 7447.  I also cced him on the message so you can email either of us
back.  Thanks again and of course we will help with expenses to get back.
Thanks again and I hope everyone has had a good a time as I did.
-Michael
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From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Feb 24 19:21:21 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:21:21 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Reminder: TriZPUG Feburary 2010 Meeting: PyCon Debrief:
 Your Presentation Goes Here
Message-ID: <4B856E21.7030602@unc.edu>

Reminder for meeting tomorrow, Thursday Feb 24, 7pm at MetaMetrics:

http://trizpug.org/Members/psmith/feb-10-mtg

http://www.metametricsinc.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?view=mm&tabindex=10&tabid=65

Please come and share the best of what you learned at PyCon.

I understand there will be at least one proposal for TriZPUG Python Hack 
Nights on the table. Don't miss it.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From brad.crittenden at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 14:49:07 2010
From: brad.crittenden at gmail.com (Bradley A. Crittenden)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:49:07 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Fwd: Durham CC?
References: <4b872fb0.8f53f10a.7e9b.fffff6f5SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <52D06A2C-7358-491A-914D-507DAF6F2FBA@gmail.com>

Last night there were questions about a coworking location in Durham.  I emailed Brian and he said he's working on a location.  His web site for it is http://durhamcoworking.com.

--Brad
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From josh_johnson at unc.edu  Fri Feb 26 15:04:50 2010
From: josh_johnson at unc.edu (Josh Johnson)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:04:50 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] job info (UNC analyst position I mentioned at the meeting
	last night)
Message-ID: <0C9C0A0C-C70D-47D0-9333-C96DC585DA62@unc.edu>

Here's the posting: https://s4.its.unc.edu/RAMS4/details.do?reqId=1001034&type=S

Up sides include:
- working with me :)
- team environment
- state employment
- university setting
- doing really cool stuff

Thanks,
JJ

From markdlavin at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 04:10:20 2010
From: markdlavin at gmail.com (Mark Lavin)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:10:20 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Python Hack Night
Message-ID: <33c000e01002251910p28679b99n1d3929b62472a183@mail.gmail.com>

Hello TriZPUG,

For those were at tonight's meeting and for those who weren't, I am looking
to start up some meetings to compliment the monthly TriZPUG meeting.  I have
lovingly dubbed these "Python Hack Nights".  The idea is to get together and
not just talk about python but to use python.  My hope is that it will be a
place where you can get some help on small projects that you are working and
space to get some more hands on learning.  If you have a project that you
need some help on then you should come.  If you have time to spare and want
to help then you should come.

My aim is to have the first hack night on Thursday 3/11/2010.  Where it will
be is up in the air.  Carrboro Creative Coworking is a possibility.  Any
suggestions on places we could use would be helpful.

My contact info is below.

Email: markdlavin at gmail.com
Cell: (919) 621 1225
AIM: DrOhYes
Twitter: DrOhYes

I'll continue to post info as we get more things settled.  Hope to see you
at hack night.

Best,

Mark
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From ogmaciel at gnome.org  Fri Feb 26 17:00:58 2010
From: ogmaciel at gnome.org (Og Maciel)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:00:58 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Python Hack Night
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On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Mark Lavin <markdlavin at gmail.com> wrote:
> My aim is to have the first hack night on Thursday 3/11/2010.? Where it will
> be is up in the air.? Carrboro Creative Coworking is a possibility.? Any
> suggestions on places we could use would be helpful.

Sweet!!! I am looking forward to it (missed trizpug last night due to a cold).

Cheers,
-- 
Og B. Maciel

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From chris at christophermrossi.com  Fri Feb 26 17:11:47 2010
From: chris at christophermrossi.com (Chris Rossi)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:11:47 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Fwd: Durham CC?
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There is some office space that has been sitting empty in the Parkwood
neighborhood that is very close to where we met last night.  It's a prime
location--extremely convenient to RTP and just about every major highway in
the Triangle.

http://bit.ly/bdoWMM

Chris


On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bradley A. Crittenden <
brad.crittenden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Last night there were questions about a coworking location in Durham.  I
> emailed Brian and he said he's working on a location.  His web site for it
> is http://durhamcoworking.com.
>
> --Brad
>
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From cbc at unc.edu  Fri Feb 26 22:13:54 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:13:54 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] News, Notes, and Announcements
Message-ID: <4B883992.1080809@unc.edu>

Please welcome David Ray to Planet TriZPUG (http://planet.trizpug.org/). 
David recently came to the UNC Lineberger Comprehensive Cancer Center 
from The Center for Open and Sustainable Learning at Utah State 
University, where David was a principal developer of eduCommons 
(http://educommons.com/), an OpenCourseWare (http://ocwconsortium.org/) 
management system implemented in Plone. David's blog is Enrage Timer 
(http://enrage-timer.com/).

And David, thanks for the network tether last night.

I, too, am most eager for Python Hack Nights. So eager, I posted it here 
and made Mark the owner:

http://trizpug.org/Members/markdlavin/phn-10-03-11/

Mark, thanks so very much for calling shotgun on Python Hack Nights. Let 
me know if you don't get a trizpug.org password reset email. When you 
log in, you will be able to edit the time and place of that posting if 
you need to. You will also be able to create and publish new postings in 
your folder. If you are wondering what the heck is going on, try looking 
at this: 
http://www.enfoldsystems.com/assets/user-guide/Users-Guide-To-Plone-2.1.pdf

(Plone is the only CMS with a free user guide, BTW. There is another 
edition for Plone 3.)

My Python Hack Night projects (spanning many nights, I'm sure) are going 
to be:

1) Create a new workflow for trizpug.org Event items which allows 
pinning some events to the top of Planet TriZPUG by start date while 
allowing others to flow down the page by publication date.

2) Create for myself a blog with Django. Candidates are Mingus, 
blogmaker, Byteflow, and Banjo.

3) Port trizpug.org to Plone 4.

4) Work on my friend's crazy ocean model transformation software.

Thanks to Kurt for the very cozy meeting space last night. 27 attendees 
is a new monthly meeting record.

Gary Poster, if you will send me your presentation from last night, I 
will get it up on trizpug.org. Or, if you tell me your preferred userid, 
I will create a userid for you on trizpug.org and you can post it yourself.

Future reference: we sometimes have either projector or network problems 
at meetings. If you have a meeting presentation, try to have it on a USB 
key in PDF or S5 form just in case. Everybody can play those.

Thanks to your facilitators (Brad, Mike, Paul) being very organized this 
year, we can announce the next meeting a month early:

http://trizpug.org/Members/mrevoir/mar-10-mtg/

Frank Wierzbicki, lead committer for Jython (http://jython.org/), will 
demonstrate web systems integration testing with Selenium 
(http://seleniumhq.org/) and Sauce (http://saucelabs.com/). Selenium is 
a suite of tools specifically for testing web applications in the 
browser. Sauce IDE and Remote Client automate Selenium tests "in the 
cloud" across the ten most popular browsers, providing video of test 
results. Tests can be recorded from mouse movements and keyboard 
strokes, or scripted Pythonically. If you develop web applications, you 
do not want to miss this presentation. As always, lightning talks of ten 
minutes or less are also welcome. Anything you've learned about Python, 
no matter how trivial, can be a lightning talk. Mike Revoir hosts at the 
spacious Duke University North Pavillion 
(http://trizpug.org/Members/mrevoir/duke_lllh_logistics) where there is 
plenty of directly adjacent free parking.

Some links from last night:

PyCon slides:
http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/talks/ (click on the little 
document-like icon beside each talk title)

The Mighty Dictionary Slides:
http://rhodesmill.org/brandon/static/2010/pycon-mighty-dictionary/ 
(special thanks for Brandon Craig Rhodes for the direct link; not 
available at the PyCon above link)

PyCon Video:
http://pycon.blip.tv/
http://pycon.blip.tv/posts?view=archive
http://pycon.blip.tv/search?q=pycon2010

Buildout:
http://www.buildout.org/
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout
http://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=buildout (enormous 
list of buildout recipes, tools, etc)

Packing and Distribution:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/distribute
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pip

SauceLabs:
http://saucelabs.com/

PyIMSL:
http://www.vni.com/products/imsl/pyimslstudio/overview.php

VisTrails:
http://www.vistrails.org/

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From cbc at unc.edu  Fri Feb 26 22:13:19 2010
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:13:19 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Fwd: Durham CC?
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Durham, love yourself. Think downtown. Critical mass and all that.

Lots of huge loft space in that downtown.

Or think Broad Street. Shodor, NCSSM, and cool coffee shop proximity.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

On 2/26/2010 11:11 AM, Chris Rossi wrote:
> There is some office space that has been sitting empty in the Parkwood
> neighborhood that is very close to where we met last night.  It's a prime
> location--extremely convenient to RTP and just about every major highway in
> the Triangle.
> 
> http://bit.ly/bdoWMM
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bradley A. Crittenden <
> brad.crittenden at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Last night there were questions about a coworking location in Durham.  I
>> emailed Brian and he said he's working on a location.  His web site for it
>> is http://durhamcoworking.com.


From david at handysoftware.com  Sat Feb 27 03:39:21 2010
From: david at handysoftware.com (David Handy)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:39:21 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Anyone else writing Python for OpenOffice.org?
Message-ID: <20100227023921.GA23276@arno2>

Hi all -

I've just started a project with an old college buddy of mine who is a
telecom consultant, writing code that will run in an OpenOffice.org
spreadsheet to help with telecom record-keeping.

Anyone have experience writing Python code for OpenOffice.org? I'm creating
a UI inside a spreadsheet, with interactive buttons and dropdowns, etc.

It looks like the OpenOffice support for Python is pretty good. I think you
can do anything in Python that you can do in Java or OpenOffice Basic. But,
I'm climbing the learning curve figuring out what I can do and how to do it.
Any tips or experience reports would be appreciated.

Thanks,
David H

-- 
David Handy
Computer Programming is Fun!
Beginning Computer Programming with Python
http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/

From Tom_Roche at pobox.com  Sat Feb 27 17:31:37 2010
From: Tom_Roche at pobox.com (Tom Roche)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:31:37 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Anyone else writing Python for OpenOffice.org?
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David Handy Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:39:21 -0500
> Anyone have experience writing Python code for OpenOffice.org? I'm
> creating a UI inside a spreadsheet,

Just a thought (or a threadjack): why not just backend the spreadsheet
(using, e.g., python-excel) and frontend with a regular UI (Tkinter or
whatever)? MVC and all that, but mebbe there's something about your
usecase that wants to be all-spreadsheet.

FWIW, Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at pobox.com>