http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596516147/ (Chris Rossi, I'm looking at you. :) My buddy the Claytron swears by SQLSoup: http://www.sqlalchemy.org/trac/wiki/SqlSoup -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.secoora.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599