From rob_lineberger at med.unc.edu  Fri Mar  2 15:38:49 2007
From: rob_lineberger at med.unc.edu (rob_lineberger at med.unc.edu)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:38:49 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Camp5 sign-in
In-Reply-To: <f4cf1c730703020557g4455528dubef833fee73f902b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f4cf1c730703020557g4455528dubef833fee73f902b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5cbe1377b233.45e7f0a9@med.unc.edu>

Yes.? Yes.? Your help with Saturday sign in would be fantastic.? Plunk your name down.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Revoir <mrevoir at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, March 2, 2007 8:57 am
Subject: Camp5 sign-in
To: cbc at unc.edu, rob_lineberger at med.unc.edu, "Mailing list for North Carolina (Research Triangle area) Zope/Python User Group" <triangle-zpug at python.net>

> Chris and Rob,
> 
> Since it seems that our mailing list is busted and I'm not able 
> to get on
> IRC at the office, I apologize for the direct e-mails. I was 
> looking on the
> Campr 5 wiki and saw that Saturday morning sign-in doesn't have 
> anyone next
> to it. I'd like to help out with Camp 5 and since I'm not 
> attending, I
> available to help with just about anything that day. Is any assistance
> needed? I'd be happy to just show up as well.
> 
> Mike
> 
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From cbc at unc.edu  Sun Mar  4 00:32:44 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:32:44 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] The list is alive again and desire transport for
	Spanish Camp 5 guests
Message-ID: <76D4E9CF-E33A-4E9A-8017-EFFA427FCBA9@unc.edu>

Wow, it looks like we may not have to move the list too soon. We have  
our hands full with Camp 5 as it is right now. So let's see if  
python.net stays up for awhile.

We have a couple of Camp 5 guests, Mikel and Nando, coming in from  
Spain. They have been kind enough to let us know their plane arrives  
at RDU at 6:24pm on United:

http://www.openplans.org/projects/camp5/arrival-departure-schedule

If you would like to pick Mikel and Nando up at RDU and take them to  
the Hampton Inn (or even help them look around the place and get  
dinner with them), you would be doing a tremendous service to the  
Zope community. Since I told Mikel to expect someone wearing a Camp 5  
t-shirt, the first loyal TriZPUGer to volunteer for this job and send  
me their t-shirt size gets a free Camp 5 t-shirt overnighted to them.

Thanks to Mike Revoir for volunteering to do the Camp 5 check-in  
service at 7:30am Saturday.

Thanks to Steve Cory for volunteering to be the MAC address  
registration point person. Steve, I'll get you the list of MAC  
addresses I have soon. As expected, not all MAC addresses are  
escrowed yet. You know the drill. :)

Camp 5 registration is now closed. We have 64 campers from three  
continents, 9 sponsored guests from two continents, and 2 special  
invitation sprinters. This will be the first Zope community  
conference in the western hemisphere, and only the second in the  
world after the German DZUG annual conferences.

Thank you for all your hard work.

--
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall cell: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599


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From DavidGoldston at nc.rr.com  Sun Mar  4 03:40:07 2007
From: DavidGoldston at nc.rr.com (David Goldston)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:40:07 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] The list is alive again and desire transport
 for Spanish Camp 5 guests
In-Reply-To: <76D4E9CF-E33A-4E9A-8017-EFFA427FCBA9@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <C20F9BB7.3DB%DavidGoldston@nc.rr.com>

Chris,

Assuming you mean their flight arrives at 5:24pm on Friday, I can pick them
up. 

I wear a 3x large t-shirt (if I'm the first to volunteer). Thanks.

David



From: Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu>
Reply-To: "Mailing list for North Carolina (Research Triangle area)
Zope/Python User Group" <triangle-zpug at starship.python.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:32:44 -0500
To: "Mailing list for North Carolina (Research Triangle area) Zope/Python
User Group" <triangle-zpug at python.net>
Subject: [triangle-zpug] The list is alive again and desire transport for
Spanish Camp 5 guests

Wow, it looks like we may not have to move the list too soon. We have our
hands full with Camp 5 as it is right now. So let's see if python.net stays
up for awhile.

We have a couple of Camp 5 guests, Mikel and Nando, coming in from Spain.
They have been kind enough to let us know their plane arrives at RDU at
6:24pm on United:

http://www.openplans.org/projects/camp5/arrival-departure-schedule

If you would like to pick Mikel and Nando up at RDU and take them to the
Hampton Inn (or even help them look around the place and get dinner with
them), you would be doing a tremendous service to the Zope community. Since
I told Mikel to expect someone wearing a Camp 5 t-shirt, the first loyal
TriZPUGer to volunteer for this job and send me their t-shirt size gets a
free Camp 5 t-shirt overnighted to them.

Thanks to Mike Revoir for volunteering to do the Camp 5 check-in service at
7:30am Saturday.

Thanks to Steve Cory for volunteering to be the MAC address registration
point person. Steve, I'll get you the list of MAC addresses I have soon. As
expected, not all MAC addresses are escrowed yet. You know the drill. :)

Camp 5 registration is now closed. We have 64 campers from three continents,
9 sponsored guests from two continents, and 2 special invitation sprinters.
This will be the first Zope community conference in the western hemisphere,
and only the second in the world after the German DZUG annual conferences.

Thank you for all your hard work.

 
--
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall cell: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




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From cbc at unc.edu  Sun Mar  4 06:36:02 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 00:36:02 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] The list is alive again and desire transport
	for Spanish Camp 5 guests
In-Reply-To: <C20F9BB7.3DB%DavidGoldston@nc.rr.com>
References: <C20F9BB7.3DB%DavidGoldston@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B0E1CB89-932A-4370-8C5E-1C79E30393F0@unc.edu>

On Mar 3, 2007, at 9:40 PM, David Goldston wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Assuming you mean their flight arrives at 5:24pm on Friday, I can  
> pick them up.

No, I mean their flight arrives at 6:24pm on Friday as listed a  
couple of places below.

> I wear a 3x large t-shirt (if I'm the first to volunteer). Thanks.

We have a winner! David, I have your address on file and will ship  
direct to you.

>
> David
>
>
> From: Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu>
> Reply-To: "Mailing list for North Carolina (Research Triangle area)  
> Zope/Python User Group" <triangle-zpug at starship.python.net>
> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:32:44 -0500
> To: "Mailing list for North Carolina (Research Triangle area) Zope/ 
> Python User Group" <triangle-zpug at python.net>
> Subject: [triangle-zpug] The list is alive again and desire  
> transport for Spanish Camp 5 guests
>
> Wow, it looks like we may not have to move the list too soon. We  
> have our hands full with Camp 5 as it is right now. So let's see if  
> python.net stays up for awhile.
>
> We have a couple of Camp 5 guests, Mikel and Nando, coming in from  
> Spain. They have been kind enough to let us know their plane  
> arrives at RDU at 6:24pm on United:
>
> http://www.openplans.org/projects/camp5/arrival-departure-schedule
>
> If you would like to pick Mikel and Nando up at RDU and take them  
> to the Hampton Inn (or even help them look around the place and get  
> dinner with them), you would be doing a tremendous service to the  
> Zope community. Since I told Mikel to expect someone wearing a Camp  
> 5 t-shirt, the first loyal TriZPUGer to volunteer for this job and  
> send me their t-shirt size gets a free Camp 5 t-shirt overnighted  
> to them.

--
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall cell: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599


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From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Mar  6 02:59:53 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:59:53 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] travel plans
Message-ID: <70C642D7-AB76-4D02-89D8-DEDB121CF7B1@unc.edu>

TriZPUGers,

You may want to take a look at this:

http://www.openplans.org/projects/camp5/arrival-departure-schedule

and see if there are groups of people you'd like to contact for  
pickup on Friday to go to the Hampton Inn for Camp 5.

There are groups of people coming in Friday so far at these times:

1:15pm
5:10pm
6:10pm
6:24pm
6:45pm
7:10pm
8:28pm
9:35pm
10:35pm

You can look on that wiki page for people coming at a time you'd like  
to go out to the airport and make a pickup. You can contact that  
person by clicking on the "people" link at the top of the page,  
searching on that person's name, and clicking on the "contact this  
person" link on their page.

Or if you are a camper coming in, you can find people coming in at  
the same time and share a ride/cab/shuttle.

Or maybe you can figure a better way to do it.

Thanks to fifer for lighting the fire to get people showing their  
arrival times.

--
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall cell: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599



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From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Mar  6 03:16:41 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:16:41 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] travel plans
In-Reply-To: <70C642D7-AB76-4D02-89D8-DEDB121CF7B1@unc.edu>
References: <70C642D7-AB76-4D02-89D8-DEDB121CF7B1@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <35155AA9-D34B-43C9-B643-BD2D14063C26@unc.edu>

On Mar 5, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Chris Calloway wrote:
> There are groups of people coming in Friday so far at these times:

Forget to say, I'll be out at the airport at 1:40/1:42 to pick up  
Aaron and Philipp and at 6:14/6:24 to pick up Whit, Mikel, and Nando.

Aaron, I'll pick you up first at 1:40 to give Philipp time to get  
through customs.

Whit, I'll pick you up first at 6:14 to give Mikel and Nando time to  
get through customs.

If your plane is late, call me at my cell phone listed on the  
signature of this email. If you are going through customs, please  
note that cell phone usage is not allowed in the customs area and you  
will need to call from when your plane hits the gate before you get  
to customs.

--
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall cell: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599


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From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Mar  7 20:40:48 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:40:48 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Camp 5 parking
Message-ID: <45EF1540.1070308@unc.edu>

We badly need a volunteer to research comprehensive parking information 
for Camp 5.

This would answer frequent questions like:

1) Where can I park for free?
2) Where can I park on weekends or at night that I can't park during the 
week or during the day?
3) How far is this parking from the classroom?
4) How much does this parking cost?
5) Where is a map with this parking.

And on and on.

This is precipicated by the fact that Swain lot appears closed to 
visitors during weekday hours due to the construction beside Hanes Art 
Center.

The Dogwood Deck at the hospital at $6/day may be the best option.

We need something written up for trizpug.org and the Camp 5 wiki on 
OpenPlans.org.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Mar  7 21:07:01 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:07:01 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Camp 5 parking
In-Reply-To: <45EF1540.1070308@unc.edu>
References: <45EF1540.1070308@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <45EF1B65.4080509@unc.edu>

Chris Calloway wrote:
> We badly need a volunteer to research comprehensive parking information 
> for Camp 5.

Looks like Mark Biggers nailed it. Thanks, Mark.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Mar  7 21:11:11 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:11:11 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] [Fwd: Short cuts information]
Message-ID: <45EF1C5F.3050209@unc.edu>

Below is a message from Tatiana Apandi, Python editor at O'Reilly. 
Tatiana is looking for writers of small books, 50 pages ideally, on 
Python related topics for PDF distribution. The "shortcuts" can be 
revised after publication. They are also a good way to write books one 
chapter at a time and have the chapters published as they come out. 
Shortcuts sell for $7-$9 retail on oreilly.com. Contact Tatiana at the 
email address at the bottom of this forward.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

Hi Chris,
Here's the info on Short Cuts:
http://www.oreilly.com/store/series/sc.csp
-------------------------------------------------
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* Short Cuts content should step beyond what's already available
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Best,
Tatiana
-----------------
Tatiana Apandi
Associate Editor
tatiana at oreilly.com
617-499-7404

-----------------




From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Mar  7 21:11:21 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:11:21 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] [Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, March 7]
Message-ID: <45EF1C69.5050106@unc.edu>

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From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Mar  7 21:21:44 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:21:44 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Enfold Systems
Message-ID: <45EF1ED8.7000702@unc.edu>

I want you to know about one of our Camp 5 sponsors and good friends, 
Enfold Systems.

Enfold is the Houston-based company of Alan Runyan, co-inventor of 
Plone. Enfold employs some of the best Python programmers in the world 
like Mark Hammond, author of the Win32 extension modules for Python and 
O'Reilly's book on Win32 with Python.

Enfold is seeking developers and asked that you know about it:

http://www.enfoldsystems.com/About/Careers

I can't imagine a better bunch of people to work with than the Enfold 
gang. Please check them out.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From jdavep at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 21:57:13 2007
From: jdavep at gmail.com (Dave Powell)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:57:13 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Enfold Systems
In-Reply-To: <45EF1ED8.7000702@unc.edu>
References: <45EF1ED8.7000702@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <ebe4e54b0703081257v31e7885dh6fa72ad59406342b@mail.gmail.com>

hello all...

...i just wanted to share a trial and tribulation...

...i just loaded Python on my windows Vista machine with a fair bit of
difficulty...

...the Python installers evidently feature msi code that isn't friendly with
Installer 4.0 (which comes with Vista)...despite the fact that i have
installed numerous applications, i was unable to install Python...

...i found this tip to install from the command prompt, but no dice...

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2006-June/389015.html

...so...on a whim i logged in as the local admin acct, and it installed just
fine using the command line tool...

...evidently, just having the local rights on the machine (which my domain
acct had) wasn't enough for some reason...

...so, if you are one of the few stupid souls testing Vista (like me),
there's your solution for installing Python...  ;o)

thx...
...dave p


-- 
...
j david powell
craf7 design
1017 broad st.
durham, nc  27705
...
919.345.8370
jdavep at gmail.com
...
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From: jdavep at gmail.com (Dave Powell)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:57:13 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Enfold Systems
In-Reply-To: <45EF1ED8.7000702@unc.edu>
References: <45EF1ED8.7000702@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <ebe4e54b0703081257v31e7885dh6fa72ad59406342b@mail.gmail.com>

hello all...

...i just wanted to share a trial and tribulation...

...i just loaded Python on my windows Vista machine with a fair bit of
difficulty...

...the Python installers evidently feature msi code that isn't friendly with
Installer 4.0 (which comes with Vista)...despite the fact that i have
installed numerous applications, i was unable to install Python...

...i found this tip to install from the command prompt, but no dice...

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2006-June/389015.html

...so...on a whim i logged in as the local admin acct, and it installed just
fine using the command line tool...

...evidently, just having the local rights on the machine (which my domain
acct had) wasn't enough for some reason...

...so, if you are one of the few stupid souls testing Vista (like me),
there's your solution for installing Python...  ;o)

thx...
...dave p


-- 
...
j david powell
craf7 design
1017 broad st.
durham, nc  27705
...
919.345.8370
jdavep at gmail.com
...
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From flyingfred0+trizpug at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 23:22:44 2007
From: flyingfred0+trizpug at gmail.com (Chris Church)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:22:44 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Enfold Systems
In-Reply-To: <ebe4e54b0703081257v31e7885dh6fa72ad59406342b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45EF1ED8.7000702@unc.edu>
	<ebe4e54b0703081257v31e7885dh6fa72ad59406342b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ea258670703081422p3676a9bcjf49786a7612db5f3@mail.gmail.com>

Python on Vista works great for me, but it didn't install right the
first time.  I had to right-click the installer and use the "Run as
Administrator" option, even though I am already an "Administrator".
Stupid Vista and it's User Account Control.......

-- 
Chris Church
flyingfred0 at gmail.com

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
(Benjamin Franklin)

On 3/8/07, Dave Powell <jdavep at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello all...
>
> ...i just wanted to share a trial and tribulation...
>
> ...i just loaded Python on my windows Vista machine with a fair bit of
> difficulty...
>
> ...the Python installers evidently feature msi code that isn't friendly with
> Installer 4.0 (which comes with Vista)...despite the fact that i have
> installed numerous applications, i was unable to install Python...
>
> ...i found this tip to install from the command prompt, but no dice...
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2006-June/389015.html
>
> ...so...on a whim i logged in as the local admin acct, and it installed just
> fine using the command line tool...
>
> ...evidently, just having the local rights on the machine (which my domain
> acct had) wasn't enough for some reason...
>
> ...so, if you are one of the few stupid souls testing Vista (like me),
> there's your solution for installing Python...  ;o)
>
> thx...
> ...dave p
>
>
> --
> ...
> j david powell
> craf7 design
> 1017 broad st.
> durham, nc  27705
> ...
> 919.345.8370
> jdavep at gmail.com
> ...
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
>
>



From flyingfred0+trizpug at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 23:22:44 2007
From: flyingfred0+trizpug at gmail.com (Chris Church)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:22:44 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Enfold Systems
In-Reply-To: <ebe4e54b0703081257v31e7885dh6fa72ad59406342b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45EF1ED8.7000702@unc.edu>
	<ebe4e54b0703081257v31e7885dh6fa72ad59406342b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ea258670703081422p3676a9bcjf49786a7612db5f3@mail.gmail.com>

Python on Vista works great for me, but it didn't install right the
first time.  I had to right-click the installer and use the "Run as
Administrator" option, even though I am already an "Administrator".
Stupid Vista and it's User Account Control.......

-- 
Chris Church
flyingfred0 at gmail.com

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
(Benjamin Franklin)

On 3/8/07, Dave Powell <jdavep at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello all...
>
> ...i just wanted to share a trial and tribulation...
>
> ...i just loaded Python on my windows Vista machine with a fair bit of
> difficulty...
>
> ...the Python installers evidently feature msi code that isn't friendly with
> Installer 4.0 (which comes with Vista)...despite the fact that i have
> installed numerous applications, i was unable to install Python...
>
> ...i found this tip to install from the command prompt, but no dice...
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2006-June/389015.html
>
> ...so...on a whim i logged in as the local admin acct, and it installed just
> fine using the command line tool...
>
> ...evidently, just having the local rights on the machine (which my domain
> acct had) wasn't enough for some reason...
>
> ...so, if you are one of the few stupid souls testing Vista (like me),
> there's your solution for installing Python...  ;o)
>
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>
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From cbc at unc.edu  Fri Mar  9 14:59:03 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:59:03 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Camper first time out of his country arriving at
	airport at 3:07
Message-ID: <45F16827.1090403@unc.edu>

If you look at:

http://www.openplans.org/projects/camp5/arrival-departure-schedule

you will see two last minute additions.

J?rgen G. J?rgensen is arriving at 3:07 this afternoon on Continental. 
It's his first time out of the country. He's coming from Denmark by way 
of New York.

Stephen Kenworthy is arriving at 3:35 this afternoon on Northwest. He's 
coming from Hong Kong.

Both of these flight arrive at Terminal A. If there is a local TriZPUGer 
who wants to go pick up these two at RDU, I think you'd be doing a 
tremendous service. I have to be in Kerr Hall with Philipp to set up the 
classroom about that time.

If you are going to the airport to pick up these two, you probably want 
to print out some kind of signage to identify yourself, like maybe 
either of these flyers:

http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/camp5/camp5flyer.pdf

http://trizpug.org/boot-camp/camp5/showflyer.pdf

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Mar 20 20:39:22 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:39:22 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Lucasfilm Python Job
Message-ID: <4600386A.60807@unc.edu>

http://www.lucasfilm.com/employment/jobs/lfl/is/job20060511.html
-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Mar 20 21:05:22 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:05:22 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] PyCon2008 venue pix
Message-ID: <46003E82.9070903@unc.edu>

Crown Plaza O'Hare (Rosemont, IL):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pollari/sets/72157600001539055/detail/

I'ved stayed there. It's on the far west side of Chicago, four exits 
down from the airport. The closest thing is a Hummel Museum. You'll have 
to take the train into the Chicago to find anything interesting. One 
good thing is it is next to a huge forested park. It also has an indoor 
pool like the Dallas PyCon location.

I followed the threads on ChiPy that led up to this selection. 
Basically, downtown was too expensive and the outlying university areas 
weren't very cooperative. Considering you don't have time at PyCon to do 
anything but go to talks, BOFs, and sprints, it's an OK thing that an 
affordable location with proper facilities was selected:

http://www.crowneplazaohare.com/

ChiPy is going to bypass the hotel's iBAHN network and drop their own 
T1s over an SBC provided existing T3 into the hotel.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Mar 20 22:17:33 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:17:33 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Camp 5 pix
Message-ID: <46004F6D.9050006@unc.edu>

Getting there, more to come:

http://trizpug.org/gallery/camp5/

Thanks, Cheryl!

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Fri Mar 23 14:16:31 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:16:31 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Zope Security Hotfix
Message-ID: <4603D32F.2070906@unc.edu>

http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/Hotfix-2007-03-20/announcement

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From beau at open-source-staffing.com  Fri Mar 23 20:42:18 2007
From: beau at open-source-staffing.com (Beau Gould)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:42:18 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] [JOB] Senior Python Developer | Fetterman,
	WV | Paid Relo
Message-ID: <012001c76d83$5e757d90$6601a8c0@BEAU>

Senior Python Developer | Fetterman, WV | Paid Relo

**My client will cover full relocation expenses. 
 
My client is seeking a Senior Application Developer to join our software
development team, to serve as a significant contributor in the
design/development of next-generation web applications. The successful
candidate will be a key individual contributor and technical leader,
primarily focusing on the design/development of a CMS used extensively
by both external clients and internal teams. The successful candidate
should be able to create, maintain, and support code in web
applications, management tools, and infrastructure, and understand how
to best leverage both proprietary and open source technologies to ensure
delivery of quality products. You must understand process, but also be
able to adapt it for an entrepreneurial environment. You must possess a
solid software engineering background, new product development
expertise, and demonstrated proficiency in a relevant technical domain.
A track record of successful project completion and creative problem
solving with minimum supervision is important. Previous experience
developing content management systems and/or using open source
technologies is considered a plus. Qualified candidates who wish to push
the high-tech envelope while in the rural and adventurous setting of
West Virginia are encouraged to apply.

Position Responsibilities/Experience: 

* Architect, design and develop a content management system based on the
Zope / Plone framework, as well as design/implement any resulting
applications, products, features, scripts, or systems needed to support
this framework. 
* Work with everyone involved to understand customers' needs and develop
high-level software requirements and specifications. 
* Develop, debug, integrate, and support software solutions for hard
problems. 
* Provide engineering support to internal and external customers. 
* Execute aggressive schedules that meet stringent demands for quality,
functionality, supportability, usability and reliability. 
* Create and maintain appropriate technical documentation. 
* Participate in the creation and evolution of software life cycle
processes. 
* Handle several concurrent tasks and meeting scheduled milestones for
each. 
* Interface with customers, suppliers, and technical support team in a
high-energy environment. 
* Rare travel (up to 5%) may be necessary 

**My client will cover full relocation expenses. 

If you are interested in this position, please submit your resume,
salary requirements, and a paragraph (or two) highlighting your
skills/experience as it pertains to this job to
luke at open-source-staffing.com 

Thank you, 
Luke Chichetto 

Open Source Staffing 
www.open-source-staffing.com 
luke at open-source-staffing.com 
 
P.S. If you're not already a subscriber, please check out our Python
Jobs Yahoo Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pythonzopejobs -
Always jobs, never any spam (Currently 430 subscribers)

Also, if you're a Python Developer seeking a change, but not in West
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Should you be interested in evaluating new opportunities at present,
please email your resume along with your desired situation, salary, etc.





From jmack at wm7d.net  Tue Mar 27 16:30:09 2007
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:30:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Installing python/Numeric/ScientificPython
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270717140.23220@wm7d.net>

Dear List,
 	I'm not a python programmer but am familiar with 
installing programs on Linux. I'm installing some python 
packages for a user.

 	The app calls Numeric/ScientificPython and with the 
out-of-the-box python install gets the error

zzz at amber:~/src/py_proj> ./ncf_info.py area/01.ncf
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "./ncf_info.py", line 2, in ?
     from Numeric import *
   File 
"/home/zzz/usr//lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric/Numeric.py", line 91, in ?
     import multiarray
ImportError: 
/home/zzz/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric/multiarray.so: undefined symbol: _Py_RefTotal

I can't find *Py_RefTotal* anywhere in Numeric or in the 
app. However the Python build has several defines, including 
-DPy_REF_DEBUG and -DPy_TRACE_REFS (Misc/SpecialBuilds.txt). 
I can't find anyway of turning these on with ./configure, so 
have manually added the $DEFS to the Makefile. Now I don't 
get the error anymore but I get a long list of alloc/free 
debugging with the application run.

I don't know that the app needs to know the the RefTotal, so 
I'd be happy to have it switched off. Alternately I don't 
understand the various defines in SpecialBuilds.txt and how 
they interact. Can I get the app to run without the 
debugging output?

Thanks Joe

-- 
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generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!



From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Mar 27 17:06:52 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:06:52 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Camp 5 Reimbursements
Message-ID: <4609330C.5050804@unc.edu>

Volunteers,

Thank you for such an amazing great job. I think we can say we have a 
huge success on our hands. Our guests were very impressed and happy 
about all the care and handling they received. The community at large is 
also buzzing about what you accomplished. Please accept my 
congratulations and gratitude as well.

Now, I suspect some of you have considerable out of pocket expenses on 
behalf of Camp 5 for which I have yet to see the amounts. If I were you, 
I'd be concerned about getting reimbursed. So if you would please, 
please, please, at your earliest convenience send your receipts to:

Chris Calloway
101-A Milton Dr
Carrboro, NC 27510

then I can get you paid very quickly. Please include either an address 
for sending you a check or a registered Paypal email address.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Mar 27 17:09:52 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:09:52 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Remote Campers
Message-ID: <460933C0.7030909@unc.edu>

Check out this news item about Camp 5 from Argentina:

http://www.menttes.com/anuncios-en/anuncios-en/menttes-attended-camp5

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From paul at blinkylights.org  Tue Mar 27 17:10:10 2007
From: paul at blinkylights.org (Paul Smith)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:10:10 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Meeting: Tuesday March 27th
Message-ID: <460933D2.6010604@blinkylights.org>



Hey Gang,
    It's that time again... this month we're scheduled to meet in 
Raleigh here at Capstrat. If you have a quick talk or presentation to 
give, bring it along. Otherwise, let's plan on spending some time 
reflecting on Camp5/BBQ sprint and/or PyCon.
    Here's how to get to Capstrat:

http://trizpug.org/Members/psmith/capstrat-directions/

    We'll start the meeting at 7. If you get here after 7, the doors 
will be locked... you'll have to ring my cel (919-805-9212) and I'll 
come let you in.

--Paul



From biggers at utsl.com  Tue Mar 27 17:35:16 2007
From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:35:16 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug]  Installing python/Numeric/ScientificPython
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270717140.23220@wm7d.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270717140.23220@wm7d.net>
Message-ID: <17929.14772.118584.953969@dexter.saiph.com>

Hi Joe,

Bring this question to the TriZPUG meeting, and I am sure someone can
personally assist you in getting this resolved.

In my experience building Python 2.x to a "non-standard" (*not* /usr, or
/usr/local) location, the resulting 'python' will not be clued into where
its shared libraries are installed.  The Python 2.x build does not use
'libtool' (one option).  The main Py Makefile doesn't define gcc-linker
info, neccessary for 'python' to find shared-libs.

Here's the Python-build trick (defn of BLDLIBRARY), but it really does
require at least a base understanding of how gcc/ld finds shared libs...

 # in a "shell-script", or copy+paste to a shell:

 PREFIX=/opt   ## or /home/zzz/usr, or....

 OPTS="-Wall -O2 -march=i686 -D_GNU_SOURCE -fPIC"

 OPTS_C="--with-threads --with-pymalloc --prefix=$PREFIX --enable-shared --enable-unicode=ucs4"

 BLDLIBRARY="-Xlinker -rpath -Xlinker $PREFIX/lib -L. -lpython2.4"

 cd Python-2.4.4
 env OPT="$OPTS" ./configure $OPTS_C

 make OPT="$OPTS" BLDLIBRARY="$BLDLIBRARY"

I hope this helps.
----mark

Joseph Mack NA3T writes:
 > Dear List,
 >  	I'm not a python programmer but am familiar with 
 > installing programs on Linux. I'm installing some python 
 > packages for a user.
 > 
 >  	The app calls Numeric/ScientificPython and with the 
 > out-of-the-box python install gets the error
 > 
 > zzz at amber:~/src/py_proj> ./ncf_info.py area/01.ncf
 > Traceback (most recent call last):
 >    File "./ncf_info.py", line 2, in ?
 >      from Numeric import *
 >    File 
 > "/home/zzz/usr//lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric/Numeric.py", line 91, in ?
 >      import multiarray
 > ImportError: 
 > /home/zzz/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric/multiarray.so: undefined symbol: _Py_RefTotal
 > 



From paul at blinkylights.org  Tue Mar 27 18:01:04 2007
From: paul at blinkylights.org (Paul Smith)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:01:04 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Meeting clarifications
Message-ID: <46093FC0.9050608@blinkylights.org>




Y'all,
    Just to clarify, tonight's meeting will not be Breeze-ified... we 
can only do that when we're meeting at UNC-Pharmacy's facilities. In 
order to attend tonight's meeting you'll need to bring your corporeal 
self to Raleigh. There will also be no cameras that automatically zoom 
in on you when you ask a question, and we'll only be able to comfortably 
accommodate around 50 people. :)
    Also, I'm told that our guest wireless account is once again 
unavailable. I'll try to have an alternative available. There's 
connected Win/Mac in the conference room, but if you need access from 
your own laptop, you might want to bring a cable.

--P



From jmack at wm7d.net  Tue Mar 27 18:13:02 2007
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Installing python/Numeric/ScientificPython
In-Reply-To: <17929.14772.118584.953969@dexter.saiph.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270717140.23220@wm7d.net>
	<17929.14772.118584.953969@dexter.saiph.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270908480.763@wm7d.net>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Mark R. Biggers wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> Bring this question to the TriZPUG meeting, and I am sure someone can
> personally assist you in getting this resolved.

thanks

> In my experience building Python 2.x to a "non-standard" (*not* /usr, or
> /usr/local) location, the resulting 'python' will not be clued into where
> its shared libraries are installed.

I get the same results in /usr or /usr/local. I'm just 
building it in my home directory so as not to keep 
reinstalling different builds of python on top of current 
python users.

The problem is an undefined variable in a library, not a 
missing library (all of which are found).

> The Python 2.x build does not use 'libtool' (one option). 
> The main Py Makefile doesn't define gcc-linker info, 
> neccessary for 'python' to find shared-libs.

OK. I've noticed the build is a little different to the ones 
I'm used to.

> Here's the Python-build trick (defn of BLDLIBRARY), but it really does
> require at least a base understanding of how gcc/ld finds shared libs...
>
> # in a "shell-script", or copy+paste to a shell:
>
> PREFIX=/opt   ## or /home/zzz/usr, or....
>
> OPTS="-Wall -O2 -march=i686 -D_GNU_SOURCE -fPIC"
>
> OPTS_C="--with-threads --with-pymalloc --prefix=$PREFIX --enable-shared --enable-unicode=ucs4"
>
> BLDLIBRARY="-Xlinker -rpath -Xlinker $PREFIX/lib -L. -lpython2.4"
>
> cd Python-2.4.4
> env OPT="$OPTS" ./configure $OPTS_C
>
> make OPT="$OPTS" BLDLIBRARY="$BLDLIBRARY"
>
> I hope this helps.

OK will give it a go

Thanks Joe

-- 
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jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!



From jmack at wm7d.net  Wed Mar 28 16:19:51 2007
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:19:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Installing python/Numeric/ScientificPython
In-Reply-To: <17929.14772.118584.953969@dexter.saiph.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270717140.23220@wm7d.net>
	<17929.14772.118584.953969@dexter.saiph.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703280716470.28642@wm7d.net>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Mark R. Biggers wrote:

> # in a "shell-script", or copy+paste to a shell:
>
> PREFIX=/opt   ## or /home/zzz/usr, or....
>
> OPTS="-Wall -O2 -march=i686 -D_GNU_SOURCE -fPIC"
>
> OPTS_C="--with-threads --with-pymalloc --prefix=$PREFIX --enable-shared --enable-unicode=ucs4"
>
> BLDLIBRARY="-Xlinker -rpath -Xlinker $PREFIX/lib -L. -lpython2.4"
>
> cd Python-2.4.4
> env OPT="$OPTS" ./configure $OPTS_C
>
> make OPT="$OPTS" BLDLIBRARY="$BLDLIBRARY"

Other than -D_GNU_SOURCE, this doesn't look much different 
to the way I did it. I still get the same error

zzz at amber:~/src/py_proj> ./ncf_info.py area/01.ncf
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "./ncf_info.py", line 2, in ?
     from Numeric import *
   File 
"/home/zzz/usr//lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric/Numeric.py", line 91, in ?
     import multiarray
ImportError: 
/home/zzz/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric/multiarray.so: undefined symbol: _Py_RefTotal

The only way I've found of defining _Py_RefTotal is adding 
a define to my Makefile, but then I get lots of debugging 
info in my output. Is there anyway to define _Py_RefTotal
without getting debugging output?

Thanks Joe


>
> I hope this helps.
> ----mark
>
> Joseph Mack NA3T writes:
> > Dear List,
> >  	I'm not a python programmer but am familiar with
> > installing programs on Linux. I'm installing some python
> > packages for a user.
> >
> >  	The app calls Numeric/ScientificPython and with the
> > out-of-the-box python install gets the error
> >
> > zzz at amber:~/src/py_proj> ./ncf_info.py area/01.ncf
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >    File "./ncf_info.py", line 2, in ?
> >      from Numeric import *
> >    File
> > "/home/zzz/usr//lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric/Numeric.py", line 91, in ?
> >      import multiarray
> > ImportError:
> > /home/zzz/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric/multiarray.so: undefined symbol: _Py_RefTotal
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
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>

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generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!



From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Mar 28 16:42:20 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:42:20 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Installing python/Numeric/ScientificPython
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703280716470.28642@wm7d.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270717140.23220@wm7d.net>	<17929.14772.118584.953969@dexter.saiph.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703280716470.28642@wm7d.net>
Message-ID: <460A7ECC.5070403@unc.edu>

Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
> ImportError: 
> /home/zzz/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric/multiarray.so: undefined symbol: _Py_RefTotal

What platform is this on?

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From jmack at wm7d.net  Wed Mar 28 16:47:58 2007
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Installing python/Numeric/ScientificPython
In-Reply-To: <460A7ECC.5070403@unc.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270717140.23220@wm7d.net>
	<17929.14772.118584.953969@dexter.saiph.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703280716470.28642@wm7d.net>
	<460A7ECC.5070403@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703280747440.31446@wm7d.net>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Chris Calloway wrote:

> Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:
>> ImportError:
>> /home/zzz/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Numeric/multiarray.so: undefined symbol: _Py_RefTotal
>
> What platform is this on?

ia64 Altix

Joe

-- 
Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina
jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!



From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Mar 28 16:47:06 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:47:06 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Meeting: Tuesday March 27th
In-Reply-To: <460933D2.6010604@blinkylights.org>
References: <460933D2.6010604@blinkylights.org>
Message-ID: <460A7FEA.9050103@unc.edu>

Paul Smith wrote:
>     We'll start the meeting at 7.

Thanks for that, Paul. We had a good time with Paul, Mark, Rob, and 
Chris Church, and later again at Edwards Mill.

Mike, I think Chris wants to do a ctypes presentation next month. Y'all 
might want to get up with each other.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From biggers at utsl.com  Wed Mar 28 18:57:24 2007
From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:57:24 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Installing python/Numeric/ScientificPython
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703280716470.28642@wm7d.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270717140.23220@wm7d.net>
	<17929.14772.118584.953969@dexter.saiph.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703280716470.28642@wm7d.net>
Message-ID: <17930.40564.426022.628317@dexter.saiph.com>


Hello Joe,

My python2.4 build, built as I described to you earlier, works fine
with a build+install of Numeric 24.2.  I can chat with you on:

   (IRC) irc.freenode.net, channel #trizpug
   (IM) mbiggers at jabber.org

  alias py=/usr/local/encap/Python-2.4.4.1/bin/python

  tar zxf Numeric-24.2.tar.gz
  cd Numeric-24.2

  py setup.py build 2>&1 | tee -a ../numeric.log
  py setup.py install 2>&1 | tee -a ../numeric.log

  dijkstra:118 $ py
  Python 2.4.4 (#1, Mar  8 2007, 14:38:56)
  [GCC 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)] on linux2
  Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
  >>> import Numeric
  >>>

Thank you,
----mark



From jmack at wm7d.net  Wed Mar 28 19:45:42 2007
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:45:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Installing python/Numeric/ScientificPython
In-Reply-To: <17930.40564.426022.628317@dexter.saiph.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270717140.23220@wm7d.net>
	<17929.14772.118584.953969@dexter.saiph.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703280716470.28642@wm7d.net>
	<17930.40564.426022.628317@dexter.saiph.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703281044530.15246@wm7d.net>

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Mark R. Biggers wrote:

>
> Hello Joe,
>
> My python2.4 build, built as I described to you earlier, works fine
> with a build+install of Numeric 24.2.  I can chat with you on:
>
>   (IRC) irc.freenode.net, channel #trizpug
>   (IM) mbiggers at jabber.org

sorry don't have either of these.

what's your test of Numeric?

Joe

>  alias py=/usr/local/encap/Python-2.4.4.1/bin/python
>
>  tar zxf Numeric-24.2.tar.gz
>  cd Numeric-24.2
>
>  py setup.py build 2>&1 | tee -a ../numeric.log
>  py setup.py install 2>&1 | tee -a ../numeric.log
>
>  dijkstra:118 $ py
>  Python 2.4.4 (#1, Mar  8 2007, 14:38:56)
>  [GCC 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)] on linux2
>  Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>  >>> import Numeric
>  >>>
>
> Thank you,
> ----mark
>

-- 
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jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!



From mrevoir at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 17:18:19 2007
From: mrevoir at gmail.com (Mike Revoir)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:18:19 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Meeting: Tuesday March 27th
In-Reply-To: <460A7FEA.9050103@unc.edu>
References: <460933D2.6010604@blinkylights.org> <460A7FEA.9050103@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <f4cf1c730703290818u6b639340h3cfe677aa26e38b0@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/28/07, Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu> wrote:

Mike, I think Chris wants to do a ctypes presentation next month. Y'all
> might want to get up with each other.


Excellent. Chris, if you'll send me some information about your presentation
I'll add it to the event.

Thanks,

Mike
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From biggers at utsl.com  Thu Mar 29 17:44:54 2007
From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:44:54 -0500
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Installing python/Numeric/ScientificPython
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703290723050.8388@wm7d.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270717140.23220@wm7d.net>
	<17929.14772.118584.953969@dexter.saiph.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703280716470.28642@wm7d.net>
	<17930.40564.426022.628317@dexter.saiph.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703281044530.15246@wm7d.net>
	<17930.47591.337759.557488@dexter.saiph.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703281200330.22423@wm7d.net>
	<17930.49116.917552.235053@dexter.saiph.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703281559360.21035@wm7d.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703290431260.16366@wm7d.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703290541440.22519@wm7d.net>
	<17931.48112.936809.107309@dexter.saiph.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0703290723050.8388@wm7d.net>
Message-ID: <17931.57078.428936.310279@dexter.saiph.com>

Hi Joe,

I haven't tried this lately (script is updated) on a 64-bit Linux.  The
.patch files are there (".patch.na" suffix, have to be renamed to .patch).

Please **carefully read** the included "python2.x_build.sh" script, from
top-to-bottom, especially the "top" comments ... ;)

Download a zip bundle of the build-system.  I just tested and it works
(including Numeric) on 32-bit Ubu Linux:

  http://trizpug.org/Members/biggers/python_build/folder_contents

Joseph Mack NA3T writes:
 > On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Mark R. Biggers wrote:
 > 
 > > > Repeated the same build on the ia64 2.6.x 128 CPU machine and got the
 > > > original error (_Py_RefTotal not defined in Numeric/multiarray.so). Hmm.
 > >
 > > Is this a 64-bit Linux?
 > 
 > yes
 > ................




From cbc at unc.edu  Thu Mar 29 20:31:05 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:31:05 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Meeting: Tuesday March 27th
In-Reply-To: <f4cf1c730703290818u6b639340h3cfe677aa26e38b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <460933D2.6010604@blinkylights.org> <460A7FEA.9050103@unc.edu>
	<f4cf1c730703290818u6b639340h3cfe677aa26e38b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <460C05E9.2050308@unc.edu>

Mike Revoir wrote:
> 
> On 3/28/07, *Chris Calloway* <cbc at unc.edu <mailto:cbc at unc.edu>> wrote:
> 
>     Mike, I think Chris wants to do a ctypes presentation next month. Y'all
>     might want to get up with each other.
> 
> 
> Excellent. Chris, if you'll send me some information about your 
> presentation I'll add it to the event.

I forget to say "Chris" = Chris Church in this instance.

For later meetings, discussed Tuesday night:

Rob Lineberger is trying to get his agile development presentation for 
PMI back together.

Paul Smith is going to show us more of what great things Django is doing 
for solving his client needs.

I'm working to get Dr. Brian Granger from Colorado here for some work 
which could involve an IPython1 presentation at TriZPUG and regardless 
of that, I'm going to at least somehow represent his IPython 
presentation from PyCon. IPython1 is a massively parallel distributed 
implementation of IPython. http://ipython.scipy.org/ and 
http://ipython.scipy.org/moin/IPython1

So we could have all barrels loaded for the next four months. 
Plone-free, even. :)

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From FDimauro at unch.unc.edu  Fri Mar 30 15:07:39 2007
From: FDimauro at unch.unc.edu (Dimauro, Frank)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:07:39 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] zp hacked by spambot
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1175248801.14327.triangle-zpug@starship.python.net>
References: <mailman.1.1175248801.14327.triangle-zpug@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <C1749BE8B27F1C4CAB39ABF6D7B1594940B148@msx5.unch.unc.edu>

One of our python scripts that was sitting in our custom skins folder
(developed by Cignex to serve as the basis script that handles our email
forms) was exploited by a spammer and caused a whole mess of spam to be
generated from our Exchange email server. The script was not in use but
"someone somehow" knew it was there and exploited it. Here it is below.
We have since turned off smtp port 25 on the server and our email forms
are dormant. Can anyone suggest a fix that will prevent future hijack?
The spammer added a bcc: field to the form and bcc'd the spam to
thousands. The giveaway was the MIME header on one of the relayed emails
that listed the email l_mail_to
='mohammad_ismail at akebonosoft.com'...ismail was a cignex contract
employee who was one of the original developers of our site...

Frank DiMauro

"Our Age of Anxiety is, in great part, the result of trying to do
today's jobs with yesterday's tools."
-M.McLuhan

#######################################################################
## Script (Python) "zp_contactus"
##bind container=container
##bind context=context
##bind namespace=
##bind script=script
##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
##parameters=
##title=
##
#
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------
#  Name:  zp_contactus
#
#  Purpose : Sends contact information 
#
#  Mandatory REQUEST parameters: None
#
#  Optional REQUEST parameters: None
#
#  Development History: 
#   Date          Author     Description
#   -----------   -------    --------------
#   04/24/2004    CIGNEX     Created
#
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------

request = container.REQUEST
RESPONSE =  request.RESPONSE

# Determine - whom to send the mail
l_mail_to ='mohammad_ismail at akebonosoft.com'
l_email=request.get('email')


# Form the mail subject
l_mail_subject = "UNCH - Contact Us form"

# Form the mail body
l_body = '\n'
l_body = l_body + 'Name = ' + request.get('name') + '\n'
l_body = l_body + 'Address = ' + request.get('address') + '\n'
l_body = l_body + 'Phone Number = ' + request.get('phone') + '\n'
l_body = l_body + 'Email = ' + request.get('email') + '\n'
l_body = l_body + 'Comments = ' + request.get('comments') + '\n'

# Result page Object
l_resultPage = container['zpt_confirmation']

# send form in email
context.zm_sendMail(context,
           mail_from=l_email,
           mail_to=l_mail_to,
           mail_subject=l_mail_subject,
           mail_body=l_body)

# show result page
url = 'http' + context.absolute_url()[4:]

target= '%s/%s?p_message=%s&p_heading=%s' % (url, 'l_resultPage',
        'We will go through your feedback and get back to you soon.', 
        'Thanks for contacting us')

return context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(target)





From stephan_altmueller at unc.edu  Fri Mar 30 15:38:15 2007
From: stephan_altmueller at unc.edu (Stephan Altmueller)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:38:15 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] zp hacked by spambot
In-Reply-To: <C1749BE8B27F1C4CAB39ABF6D7B1594940B148@msx5.unch.unc.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1175248801.14327.triangle-zpug@starship.python.net>
	<C1749BE8B27F1C4CAB39ABF6D7B1594940B148@msx5.unch.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <460D12C7.2040406@unc.edu>

Hi Frank,

I don't fully understand how the bcc field could be inserted, it's not 
used in any of the
code below (unless the "zm_sendMail" script/function reads it from the 
request object).

If this is a basic "Script (Python)" script then the fundamental problem 
is that it uses
unvalidated request parameters. You could replace it with a form 
controller script (.cpy)
and add a validation (.vpy) script via the metadata that validtes all 
parameters.

       - Stephan

Dimauro, Frank wrote:
> One of our python scripts that was sitting in our custom skins folder
> (developed by Cignex to serve as the basis script that handles our email
> forms) was exploited by a spammer and caused a whole mess of spam to be
> generated from our Exchange email server. The script was not in use but
> "someone somehow" knew it was there and exploited it. Here it is below.
> We have since turned off smtp port 25 on the server and our email forms
> are dormant. Can anyone suggest a fix that will prevent future hijack?
> The spammer added a bcc: field to the form and bcc'd the spam to
> thousands. The giveaway was the MIME header on one of the relayed emails
> that listed the email l_mail_to
> ='mohammad_ismail at akebonosoft.com'...ismail was a cignex contract
> employee who was one of the original developers of our site...
>
> Frank DiMauro
>
> "Our Age of Anxiety is, in great part, the result of trying to do
> today's jobs with yesterday's tools."
> -M.McLuhan
>
> #######################################################################
> ## Script (Python) "zp_contactus"
> ##bind container=container
> ##bind context=context
> ##bind namespace=
> ##bind script=script
> ##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
> ##parameters=
> ##title=
> ##
> #
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------
> #  Name:  zp_contactus
> #
> #  Purpose : Sends contact information 
> #
> #  Mandatory REQUEST parameters: None
> #
> #  Optional REQUEST parameters: None
> #
> #  Development History: 
> #   Date          Author     Description
> #   -----------   -------    --------------
> #   04/24/2004    CIGNEX     Created
> #
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------
>
> request = container.REQUEST
> RESPONSE =  request.RESPONSE
>
> # Determine - whom to send the mail
> l_mail_to ='mohammad_ismail at akebonosoft.com'
> l_email=request.get('email')
>
>
> # Form the mail subject
> l_mail_subject = "UNCH - Contact Us form"
>
> # Form the mail body
> l_body = '\n'
> l_body = l_body + 'Name = ' + request.get('name') + '\n'
> l_body = l_body + 'Address = ' + request.get('address') + '\n'
> l_body = l_body + 'Phone Number = ' + request.get('phone') + '\n'
> l_body = l_body + 'Email = ' + request.get('email') + '\n'
> l_body = l_body + 'Comments = ' + request.get('comments') + '\n'
>
> # Result page Object
> l_resultPage = container['zpt_confirmation']
>
> # send form in email
> context.zm_sendMail(context,
>            mail_from=l_email,
>            mail_to=l_mail_to,
>            mail_subject=l_mail_subject,
>            mail_body=l_body)
>
> # show result page
> url = 'http' + context.absolute_url()[4:]
>
> target= '%s/%s?p_message=%s&p_heading=%s' % (url, 'l_resultPage',
>         'We will go through your feedback and get back to you soon.', 
>         'Thanks for contacting us')
>
> return context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(target)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
>   


-- 
--------------------------------------------------------
Stephan Altmueller 
Applications Analyst
OASIS - Office of Arts and Sciences Information Services
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill  
Phone: 919-962-4205
Email: stephan_altmueller at unc.edu




From geoff at geoffdavis.net  Fri Mar 30 15:47:25 2007
From: geoff at geoffdavis.net (Geoff Davis)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:47:25 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] zp hacked by spambot
In-Reply-To: <460D12C7.2040406@unc.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1175248801.14327.triangle-zpug@starship.python.net>
	<C1749BE8B27F1C4CAB39ABF6D7B1594940B148@msx5.unch.unc.edu>
	<460D12C7.2040406@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <3C3DA78F-1CC8-4536-AAA3-FE640B6C916D@geoffdavis.net>

Frank,

This sounds like an approach spammers have taken in the past.  Here's  
the gist of it:

The data sent to your SMTP server looks something like this

To: recipient at address.com
From: sender at otheraddress.com
Subject: subject here

message body

One thing spammers have done in the past is to insert carriage  
returns into the To: or From: fields.  They can then change the  
headers that your SMTP server gets.  For example, if I use as my  
"From" address, "31337 at spammer.com\nBcc: recipient1 at mail.com,  
recipient2 at mail.com...", then the mail server will get

To: recipient at address.com
From: 31337 at spammer.com
Bcc: recipient1 at mail.com, recipient2 at mail.com,...
Subject: subject here

message body

There's code in Plone that filters such things out, but perhaps  
zm_sendMail doesn't call it.  I think the filtering code is something  
like secure_sendmail in PloneTool.

Geoff

On Mar 30, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Stephan Altmueller wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>
> I don't fully understand how the bcc field could be inserted, it's not
> used in any of the
> code below (unless the "zm_sendMail" script/function reads it from the
> request object).
>
> If this is a basic "Script (Python)" script then the fundamental  
> problem
> is that it uses
> unvalidated request parameters. You could replace it with a form
> controller script (.cpy)
> and add a validation (.vpy) script via the metadata that validtes all
> parameters.
>
>        - Stephan
>
> Dimauro, Frank wrote:
>> One of our python scripts that was sitting in our custom skins folder
>> (developed by Cignex to serve as the basis script that handles our  
>> email
>> forms) was exploited by a spammer and caused a whole mess of spam  
>> to be
>> generated from our Exchange email server. The script was not in  
>> use but
>> "someone somehow" knew it was there and exploited it. Here it is  
>> below.
>> We have since turned off smtp port 25 on the server and our email  
>> forms
>> are dormant. Can anyone suggest a fix that will prevent future  
>> hijack?
>> The spammer added a bcc: field to the form and bcc'd the spam to
>> thousands. The giveaway was the MIME header on one of the relayed  
>> emails
>> that listed the email l_mail_to
>> ='mohammad_ismail at akebonosoft.com'...ismail was a cignex contract
>> employee who was one of the original developers of our site...
>>
>> Frank DiMauro
>>
>> "Our Age of Anxiety is, in great part, the result of trying to do
>> today's jobs with yesterday's tools."
>> -M.McLuhan
>>
>> ##################################################################### 
>> ##
>> ## Script (Python) "zp_contactus"
>> ##bind container=container
>> ##bind context=context
>> ##bind namespace=
>> ##bind script=script
>> ##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
>> ##parameters=
>> ##title=
>> ##
>> #
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> ---
>> ------------------------
>> #  Name:  zp_contactus
>> #
>> #  Purpose : Sends contact information
>> #
>> #  Mandatory REQUEST parameters: None
>> #
>> #  Optional REQUEST parameters: None
>> #
>> #  Development History:
>> #   Date          Author     Description
>> #   -----------   -------    --------------
>> #   04/24/2004    CIGNEX     Created
>> #
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> ---
>> ------------------------
>>
>> request = container.REQUEST
>> RESPONSE =  request.RESPONSE
>>
>> # Determine - whom to send the mail
>> l_mail_to ='mohammad_ismail at akebonosoft.com'
>> l_email=request.get('email')
>>
>>
>> # Form the mail subject
>> l_mail_subject = "UNCH - Contact Us form"
>>
>> # Form the mail body
>> l_body = '\n'
>> l_body = l_body + 'Name = ' + request.get('name') + '\n'
>> l_body = l_body + 'Address = ' + request.get('address') + '\n'
>> l_body = l_body + 'Phone Number = ' + request.get('phone') + '\n'
>> l_body = l_body + 'Email = ' + request.get('email') + '\n'
>> l_body = l_body + 'Comments = ' + request.get('comments') + '\n'
>>
>> # Result page Object
>> l_resultPage = container['zpt_confirmation']
>>
>> # send form in email
>> context.zm_sendMail(context,
>>            mail_from=l_email,
>>            mail_to=l_mail_to,
>>            mail_subject=l_mail_subject,
>>            mail_body=l_body)
>>
>> # show result page
>> url = 'http' + context.absolute_url()[4:]
>>
>> target= '%s/%s?p_message=%s&p_heading=%s' % (url, 'l_resultPage',
>>         'We will go through your feedback and get back to you soon.',
>>         'Thanks for contacting us')
>>
>> return context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(target)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> triangle-zpug mailing list
>> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
>> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
>>
>
>
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Stephan Altmueller
> Applications Analyst
> OASIS - Office of Arts and Sciences Information Services
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> Phone: 919-962-4205
> Email: stephan_altmueller at unc.edu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> triangle-zpug mailing list
> triangle-zpug at starship.python.net
> http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug
>




From cbc at unc.edu  Fri Mar 30 15:57:41 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:57:41 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] zp hacked by spambot
In-Reply-To: <C1749BE8B27F1C4CAB39ABF6D7B1594940B148@msx5.unch.unc.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1175248801.14327.triangle-zpug@starship.python.net>
	<C1749BE8B27F1C4CAB39ABF6D7B1594940B148@msx5.unch.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <460D1755.5040409@unc.edu>

Dimauro, Frank wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a fix that will prevent future hijack?

Is this script meant to be invoked by anonymous? It looks like 
zm_sendMail is the culprit rather than this script. Check the 
permissions on it. If it truly is meant to be invoked by anonymous 
visitors, then that zm_sendMail need so be responsible for validating 
the mail headers.

Also, it looks like we need a paste site or use http://paste.plone.org/

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599




From cbc at unc.edu  Fri Mar 30 16:00:29 2007
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:00:29 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] Ian Bicking on TurboGears and Pylons
Message-ID: <460D17FD.8030106@unc.edu>

http://blog.ianbicking.org/turbogears-and-pylons.html

Via DFWPython. Was discussed at PyCon at the ToscaWidgets talk.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599






From philip at semanchuk.com  Fri Mar 30 16:19:02 2007
From: philip at semanchuk.com (Philip Semanchuk)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:19:02 -0400
Subject: [triangle-zpug] zp hacked by spambot
In-Reply-To: <3C3DA78F-1CC8-4536-AAA3-FE640B6C916D@geoffdavis.net>
References: <mailman.1.1175248801.14327.triangle-zpug@starship.python.net>
	<C1749BE8B27F1C4CAB39ABF6D7B1594940B148@msx5.unch.unc.edu>
	<460D12C7.2040406@unc.edu>
	<3C3DA78F-1CC8-4536-AAA3-FE640B6C916D@geoffdavis.net>
Message-ID: <0fd3bf0172a60ccf521f37cf0139521b@semanchuk.com>


On Mar 30, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Geoff Davis wrote:

> Frank,
>
> This sounds like an approach spammers have taken in the past.  Here's
> the gist of it:
>
> The data sent to your SMTP server looks something like this
>
> To: recipient at address.com
> From: sender at otheraddress.com
> Subject: subject here
>
> message body
>
> One thing spammers have done in the past is to insert carriage
> returns into the To: or From: fields.  They can then change the
> headers that your SMTP server gets.  For example, if I use as my
> "From" address, "31337 at spammer.com\nBcc: recipient1 at mail.com,
> recipient2 at mail.com...", then the mail server will get
>
> To: recipient at address.com
> From: 31337 at spammer.com
> Bcc: recipient1 at mail.com, recipient2 at mail.com,...
> Subject: subject here
>
> message body

Exactly right. Google for "email header injection" and you'll find lots 
of people tearing their hair out over this one. Here's an article I 
sent to a friend earlier this month who was having the same problem 
with a form on her site:
http://www.securephpwiki.com/index.php/Email_Injection

You need to scrub this little monster:

>>> l_email=request.get('email')


Good luck
Philip




>
> There's code in Plone that filters such things out, but perhaps
> zm_sendMail doesn't call it.  I think the filtering code is something
> like secure_sendmail in PloneTool.
>
> Geoff
>
> On Mar 30, 2007, at 9:38 AM, Stephan Altmueller wrote:
>
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> I don't fully understand how the bcc field could be inserted, it's not
>> used in any of the
>> code below (unless the "zm_sendMail" script/function reads it from the
>> request object).
>>
>> If this is a basic "Script (Python)" script then the fundamental
>> problem
>> is that it uses
>> unvalidated request parameters. You could replace it with a form
>> controller script (.cpy)
>> and add a validation (.vpy) script via the metadata that validtes all
>> parameters.
>>
>>        - Stephan
>>
>> Dimauro, Frank wrote:
>>> One of our python scripts that was sitting in our custom skins folder
>>> (developed by Cignex to serve as the basis script that handles our
>>> email
>>> forms) was exploited by a spammer and caused a whole mess of spam
>>> to be
>>> generated from our Exchange email server. The script was not in
>>> use but
>>> "someone somehow" knew it was there and exploited it. Here it is
>>> below.
>>> We have since turned off smtp port 25 on the server and our email
>>> forms
>>> are dormant. Can anyone suggest a fix that will prevent future
>>> hijack?
>>> The spammer added a bcc: field to the form and bcc'd the spam to
>>> thousands. The giveaway was the MIME header on one of the relayed
>>> emails
>>> that listed the email l_mail_to
>>> ='mohammad_ismail at akebonosoft.com'...ismail was a cignex contract
>>> employee who was one of the original developers of our site...
>>>
>>> Frank DiMauro
>>>
>>> "Our Age of Anxiety is, in great part, the result of trying to do
>>> today's jobs with yesterday's tools."
>>> -M.McLuhan
>>>
>>> #####################################################################
>>> ##
>>> ## Script (Python) "zp_contactus"
>>> ##bind container=container
>>> ##bind context=context
>>> ##bind namespace=
>>> ##bind script=script
>>> ##bind subpath=traverse_subpath
>>> ##parameters=
>>> ##title=
>>> ##
>>> #
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
>>> ------------------------
>>> #  Name:  zp_contactus
>>> #
>>> #  Purpose : Sends contact information
>>> #
>>> #  Mandatory REQUEST parameters: None
>>> #
>>> #  Optional REQUEST parameters: None
>>> #
>>> #  Development History:
>>> #   Date          Author     Description
>>> #   -----------   -------    --------------
>>> #   04/24/2004    CIGNEX     Created
>>> #
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
>>> ------------------------
>>>
>>> request = container.REQUEST
>>> RESPONSE =  request.RESPONSE
>>>
>>> # Determine - whom to send the mail
>>> l_mail_to ='mohammad_ismail at akebonosoft.com'
>>> l_email=request.get('email')
>>>
>>>
>>> # Form the mail subject
>>> l_mail_subject = "UNCH - Contact Us form"
>>>
>>> # Form the mail body
>>> l_body = '\n'
>>> l_body = l_body + 'Name = ' + request.get('name') + '\n'
>>> l_body = l_body + 'Address = ' + request.get('address') + '\n'
>>> l_body = l_body + 'Phone Number = ' + request.get('phone') + '\n'
>>> l_body = l_body + 'Email = ' + request.get('email') + '\n'
>>> l_body = l_body + 'Comments = ' + request.get('comments') + '\n'
>>>
>>> # Result page Object
>>> l_resultPage = container['zpt_confirmation']
>>>
>>> # send form in email
>>> context.zm_sendMail(context,
>>>            mail_from=l_email,
>>>            mail_to=l_mail_to,
>>>            mail_subject=l_mail_subject,
>>>            mail_body=l_body)
>>>
>>> # show result page
>>> url = 'http' + context.absolute_url()[4:]
>>>
>>> target= '%s/%s?p_message=%s&p_heading=%s' % (url, 'l_resultPage',
>>>         'We will go through your feedback and get back to you soon.',
>>>         'Thanks for contacting us')
>>>
>>> return context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(target)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> -- 
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Stephan Altmueller
>> Applications Analyst
>> OASIS - Office of Arts and Sciences Information Services
>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>> Phone: 919-962-4205
>> Email: stephan_altmueller at unc.edu
>>
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