From kw at codebykevin.com Mon Sep 2 23:56:33 2013 From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 17:56:33 -0400 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Accessibility issues and Tkinter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52250991.2010407@codebykevin.com> > Does anyone know about issues related to getting Tkinter > interfaces working with a "screen reader" (these programs > that speak interface text for the sight impaired). > Tk doesn't support this. I've looked into it a bit and it seems like a huge project to implement on a cross-platform basis. Of the x-plat toolkits, Qt seems to the best support, which I assume PyQt would pick up. Java also has good support but that may be outside your purview. --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com From michael.odonnell at uam.es Tue Sep 3 00:26:00 2013 From: michael.odonnell at uam.es (Michael O'Donnell) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 00:26:00 +0200 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Accessibility issues and Tkinter In-Reply-To: <52250991.2010407@codebykevin.com> References: <52250991.2010407@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: Thanks Kevin, That's what I thought. Thought I would try html5 as my GUI, using python to drive Webkit, or something similar. Anyone tried doing such? (e.g., making a dll of Webkit and driving it from python) Mick On 2 September 2013 23:56, Kevin Walzer wrote: >> Does anyone know about issues related to getting Tkinter >> interfaces working with a "screen reader" (these programs >> that speak interface text for the sight impaired). >> > > Tk doesn't support this. I've looked into it a bit and it seems like a huge > project to implement on a cross-platform basis. Of the x-plat toolkits, Qt > seems to the best support, which I assume PyQt would pick up. Java also has > good support but that may be outside your purview. > > --Kevin > > -- > Kevin Walzer > Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin > http://www.codebykevin.com > http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com > _______________________________________________ > Tkinter-discuss mailing list > Tkinter-discuss at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss From nad at acm.org Mon Sep 9 21:21:42 2013 From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:21:42 -0700 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available Message-ID: I would like call your attention to the latest alpha release of Python 3.4.0 and a new batteries-included feature for OS X users. For 3.4.0.a2, the python.org 64-bit/32-bit installer now includes its own private version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.14 so it is no longer necessary to install a third-party version of Tcl/Tk 8.5 to workaround the problematic system versions shipped in OS X 10.6+. Unlike Pythons from previous installers, only this private version will be used by tkinter and IDLE. It will have no effect on or be affected by any other versions of Tcl/Tk installed on your system, such as ActivelTcl 8.5.x or Apple 8.5.x. Since this is a new feature and somewhat experimental, it may change prior to the official release of Python 3.4.0, planned for 2014-02. There will be other OS X installer-related changes coming. Please report any problems or issues you encounter to the Python bug tracker. Thanks! http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.4.0/ http://www.python.org/download/mac/tcltk/ http://bugs.python.org -- Ned Deily, nad at acm.org From mail at lukaszposadowski.pl Thu Sep 12 22:41:06 2013 From: mail at lukaszposadowski.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz?= Posadowski) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 22:41:06 +0200 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [SPAM] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1379018466.4418.2.camel@ciacho> Dnia 2013-09-09, pon o godzinie 12:21 -0700, Ned Deily pisze: > I would like call your attention to the latest alpha release of Python > 3.4.0 and a new batteries-included feature for OS X users. For > 3.4.0.a2, the python.org 64-bit/32-bit installer now includes its own > private version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.14 so it is no longer necessary to install > a third-party version of Tcl/Tk 8.5 Good to know, thanks. It's really annoying to realize that I just compiled Python without tk/tcl and Tkinter isn't working. -- ?ukasz Posadowski From the.nube at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 19:19:25 2013 From: the.nube at gmail.com (rhoit) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:04:25 +0545 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] bind not working Message-ID: <52373D9D.1060609@gmail.com> I'm trying to bing , , ... to switch the ttk.Notebook() tab. but Alt-[1..5] doesn't seems to work any help! test code is here https://gist.github.com/6583664 From bha100710 at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 20:07:26 2013 From: bha100710 at gmail.com (Bhaskar Chaudhary) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:37:26 +0530 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] bind not working In-Reply-To: <52373D9D.1060609@gmail.com> References: <52373D9D.1060609@gmail.com> Message-ID: Strangely root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[0])) root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[1])) root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[2])) works but root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[0])) root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[1])) root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[2])) doesnt whereas root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[0])) works On 9/16/13, rhoit wrote: > I'm trying to bing , , ... to switch the > ttk.Notebook() tab. but Alt-[1..5] doesn't seems to work any help! > > test code is here > https://gist.github.com/6583664 > _______________________________________________ > Tkinter-discuss mailing list > Tkinter-discuss at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss > From rowen at uw.edu Mon Sep 16 20:51:27 2013 From: rowen at uw.edu (Russell E. Owen) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:51:27 -0700 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available References: Message-ID: In article , Ned Deily wrote: > I would like call your attention to the latest alpha release of Python > 3.4.0 and a new batteries-included feature for OS X users. For > 3.4.0.a2, the python.org 64-bit/32-bit installer now includes its own > private version of Tcl/Tk 8.5.14 so it is no longer necessary to install > a third-party version of Tcl/Tk 8.5 to workaround the problematic system > versions shipped in OS X 10.6+. Unlike Pythons from previous > installers, only this private version will be used by tkinter and IDLE. > It will have no effect on or be affected by any other versions of Tcl/Tk > installed on your system, such as ActivelTcl 8.5.x or Apple 8.5.x. > > Since this is a new feature and somewhat experimental, it may change > prior to the official release of Python 3.4.0, planned for 2014-02. > There will be other OS X installer-related changes coming. Please > report any problems or issues you encounter to the Python bug tracker. > Thanks! > > http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.4.0/ > http://www.python.org/download/mac/tcltk/ > http://bugs.python.org That's a bit scary. I've found that ActiveState Tcl/Tk 8.5.11 works fine on MacOS X with my Tkinter-based python application, but 8.5.12, 8.5.12.1 and 8.5.13 all crash. I admit I've not tried 8.5.14 yet. I'm still on python 2.7, so this doesn't directly affect me, but if 8.5.14 has the same problem it is likely to affect others. -- Russell From kw at codebykevin.com Mon Sep 16 20:54:38 2013 From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> On 9/16/13 2:51 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > > That's a bit scary. I've found that ActiveState Tcl/Tk 8.5.11 works fine > on MacOS X with my Tkinter-based python application, but 8.5.12, > 8.5.12.1 and 8.5.13 all crash. I admit I've not tried 8.5.14 yet. > > I'm still on python 2.7, so this doesn't directly affect me, but if > 8.5.14 has the same problem it is likely to affect others. Can you post a stack trace or crashlog? --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com From klappnase at web.de Mon Sep 16 20:57:03 2013 From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 20:57:03 +0200 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] bind not working In-Reply-To: References: <52373D9D.1060609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130916205703.37fcd870ee5330561aae320f@web.de> Hi, On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 23:37:26 +0530 Bhaskar Chaudhary wrote: > Strangely > > root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[0])) > root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[1])) > root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[2])) > > works > > but > root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[0])) > root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[1])) > root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[2])) > > doesnt whereas > > root.bind('', lambda event: nb.select(list[0])) > I think that's probably a window manager issue. Here (debian wheezy with IceWM) none of the above works, because IceWm uses them to switch between workspaces. Even when I comment the respective key bindings out in the IceWm configuration, root.bind(''..) etc. don't seem to work for some reason, however root.bind(''...) and friends seem to work then. If you want to add keyboard navigation for the notebook tabs, the best bet is probably to call enable_traversal() on the Notebook widget which enables some smart auto-magic, see: http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.6/TkCmd/ttk_notebook.htm#M35 . With enable_traversal all you need to do is: nb = ttk.Notebook() nb.enable_traversal() nb.pack(expand=YES, fill=BOTH ) f1=Frame(width=200, height=200, bg="red") f2=Frame(width=200, height=200, bg="blue") f3=Frame(width=200, height=200, bg="green") nb.add(f1, text="red", padding=3, underline=0) nb.add(f2, text="blue", padding=3, underline=0) nb.add(f3, text="green", padding=3, underline=0) Then you can switch the tabs with Alt-r (and so on) or Control-(Shift)-Tab or the Left and Right arrow keys. BTW, it is certainly a very bad idea to use the built in name "list" for a variable, since this will change Python's behavior, as you can see in this little python session: $ python3 Python 3.2.3 (default, Feb 20 2013, 17:02:41) [GCC 4.7.2] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> list >>> t = (1, 2, 3) >>> list(t) [1, 2, 3] >>> list=[1, 2] >>> list [1, 2] >>> list(t) Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in TypeError: 'list' object is not callable >>> Best regards Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-. Prepare for tomorrow -- get ready. -- Edith Keeler, "The City On the Edge of Forever", stardate unknown From the.nube at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 22:37:02 2013 From: the.nube at gmail.com (rhoit) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 02:22:02 +0545 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] bind not working In-Reply-To: <20130916205703.37fcd870ee5330561aae320f@web.de> References: <52373D9D.1060609@gmail.com> <20130916205703.37fcd870ee5330561aae320f@web.de> Message-ID: <52376BEE.8000100@gmail.com> thanx Micheal! yeah i shouldn't have use "list" as var name! (did it in hurry) https://gist.github.com/rhoit/6583664 updated now! the key binding doesn't work in Xfce, mswinxp( in vbox), so thinking it might not be the issue created by wm. thanx to Bhaskar! again! From nad at acm.org Tue Sep 17 04:45:50 2013 From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:45:50 -0700 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available References: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: In article <523753EE.4090808 at codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 9/16/13 2:51 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > > > > That's a bit scary. I've found that ActiveState Tcl/Tk 8.5.11 works fine > > on MacOS X with my Tkinter-based python application, but 8.5.12, > > 8.5.12.1 and 8.5.13 all crash. I admit I've not tried 8.5.14 yet. > > > > I'm still on python 2.7, so this doesn't directly affect me, but if > > 8.5.14 has the same problem it is likely to affect others. There were definitely problems using IDLE with ActiveState Tcl/Tk 8.5.12 and 8.5.12.1 on OS X: http://bugs.python.org/issue15574 http://bugs.python.org/issue15853 Both of those issues were resolved with Tcl/Tk 8.5.13 along with a patch for IDLE. At the moment, I don't recall any other crash issues with either 8.5.13 or 8.5.14. > Can you post a stack trace or crashlog? Yes, please do! -- Ned Deily, nad at acm.org From klappnase at web.de Tue Sep 17 11:14:13 2013 From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:14:13 +0200 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] bind not working In-Reply-To: <52376BEE.8000100@gmail.com> References: <52373D9D.1060609@gmail.com> <20130916205703.37fcd870ee5330561aae320f@web.de> <52376BEE.8000100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130917111413.b87674a4b3121f7397e9dc57@web.de> On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 02:22:02 +0545 rhoit wrote: > thanx Micheal! yeah i shouldn't have use "list" as var name! (did it in > hurry) https://gist.github.com/rhoit/6583664 updated now! > the key binding doesn't work in Xfce, mswinxp( in vbox), > so thinking it might not be the issue created by wm. > thanx to Bhaskar! again! I am not sure about that, I tried Gnome3, Xfce4, Lxde and IceWm, which seem to behave slightly differently. In Icewm neither nor work unless I remove the binding from the Icewm configuration. If I do so only the latter works. In Gnome3 and Xfce does not work but does, whereas works. So at least this shows that you cannot rely on and friends to work. Best regards Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-. A man either lives life as it happens to him, meets it head-on and licks it, or he turns his back on it and starts to wither away. -- Dr. Boyce, "The Menagerie" ("The Cage"), stardate unknown From Vasilis.Vlachoudis at cern.ch Thu Sep 19 09:15:30 2013 From: Vasilis.Vlachoudis at cern.ch (Vasilis Vlachoudis) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:15:30 +0000 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] PanedWindow placement of sash Message-ID: <0BC70B5D93E054469872FFD0FE07220EC0340FB8@PLOXCHG14.cern.ch> Hi all, I am trying to save on exit and restore on startup the placement of the sash in the PanedWindow, with a code like this from Tkinter import * tk = Tk() p = PanedWindow(tk, orient=HORIZONTAL, width=600) p.pack(expand=YES,fill=BOTH) f1 = Label(p, text="First", bg="Red") p.add(f1) f2 = Label(p, text="Second", bg="Green") p.add(f2) p.sash_place(0, 450, 0) # <----------------------- tk.mainloop() The sash_place command is ignored. I believe because the window is not created yet and the dimensions are zero. So if I place an p.update_idletasks() before the sash_place, it works. Is there a more CLEAN to achieve the task. Is it recommended to use the update_idletasks before the mainloop? Thanks in advance Vasilis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From klappnase at web.de Thu Sep 19 09:51:30 2013 From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 09:51:30 +0200 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] PanedWindow placement of sash In-Reply-To: <0BC70B5D93E054469872FFD0FE07220EC0340FB8@PLOXCHG14.cern.ch> References: <0BC70B5D93E054469872FFD0FE07220EC0340FB8@PLOXCHG14.cern.ch> Message-ID: <20130919095130.14a74df758b2e5728c23804f@web.de> Hi, On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:15:30 +0000 Vasilis Vlachoudis wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to save on exit and restore on startup the placement of the > sash in the PanedWindow, with a code like this > > from Tkinter import * > > tk = Tk() > p = PanedWindow(tk, orient=HORIZONTAL, width=600) > p.pack(expand=YES,fill=BOTH) > f1 = Label(p, text="First", bg="Red") > p.add(f1) > f2 = Label(p, text="Second", bg="Green") > p.add(f2) > p.sash_place(0, 450, 0) # <----------------------- > tk.mainloop() > > The sash_place command is ignored. I believe because the window is not > created yet and the dimensions are zero. So if I place an > p.update_idletasks() before the sash_place, it works. > > Is there a more CLEAN to achieve the task. > > Is it recommended to use the update_idletasks before the mainloop? I think putting an update_idletasks() before the sash_place() is a perfectly "clean" way to handle issues like this. Personally I use this technique rather often, especially in cases when the geometry of a more complex gui layout causes ugly "flickering" effects when the window is created, update_idletasks() can work miracles :) And your example seems like a perfect indication for update_idletasks() either. Best regards Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-. All your people must learn before you can reach for the stars. -- Kirk, "The Gamesters of Triskelion", stardate 3259.2 From jepler at unpythonic.net Mon Sep 23 14:47:56 2013 From: jepler at unpythonic.net (Jeff Epler) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:47:56 -0500 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Tkinter wiki hosting moved Message-ID: <20130923124754.GF25194@unpythonic.net> I have moved the hosting of tkinter.unpythonic.net. Please drop me a direct e-mail if you see any problems with the site. Jeff From rowen at uw.edu Mon Sep 23 21:49:29 2013 From: rowen at uw.edu (Russell E. Owen) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:49:29 -0700 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available References: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: In article <523753EE.4090808 at codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 9/16/13 2:51 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > > > > That's a bit scary. I've found that ActiveState Tcl/Tk 8.5.11 works fine > > on MacOS X with my Tkinter-based python application, but 8.5.12, > > 8.5.12.1 and 8.5.13 all crash. I admit I've not tried 8.5.14 yet. > > > > I'm still on python 2.7, so this doesn't directly affect me, but if > > 8.5.14 has the same problem it is likely to affect others. > > Can you post a stack trace or crashlog? > > --Kevin Gladly. I have appended the crash log. This is using python.org Python 2.7.5 (the 64-bit version) and ActiveState Tcl/Tk 8.45.14 (which I tried using after I posted the first msg). What I do to generate this is attempt to change the font size for either of the two named fonts my widgets use (thus updating all those widgets). It is completely reproducible in my application. Terminal says: Fatal Python error: (pygame parachute) Segmentation Fault Abort trap: 6 but I'm skeptical. My application does use pygame to play sound cues, but that is not involved in changing fonts. Reverting to Tcl/Tk 8.5.11 makes the problem go away. I have not yet tried to come up with a minimal bit of code that shows the problem, but it sounds as if perhaps I should. -- Russell Process: Python [3511] Path: /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Resources/Python.app/Co ntents/MacOS/Python Identifier: org.python.python Version: 2.7.5 (2.7.5) Code Type: X86-64 (Native) Parent Process: bash [255] User ID: 501 Date/Time: 2013-09-23 12:41:26.545 -0700 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.8.5 (12F37) Report Version: 10 Interval Since Last Report: 29989 sec Crashes Since Last Report: 1 Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 65 sec Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 1 Anonymous UUID: 44635465-4678-37C2-2F55-12ED46244427 Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGABRT) Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x0000000000000024 VM Regions Near 0x24: --> __TEXT 0000000100000000-0000000100001000 [ 4K] r-x/rwx SM=COW /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Resources/Python.app/Co ntents/MacOS/Python Application Specific Information: abort() called Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff88c04212 __pthread_kill + 10 1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c3deb24 pthread_kill + 90 2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c422f61 abort + 143 3 org.python.python 0x00000001000e8491 Py_FatalError + 49 4 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c3cb90a _sigtramp + 26 5 Tk 0x00000001011c4ede TkpConfigureMenuEntry + 1923 6 Tk 0x0000000101145e72 MenuWorldChanged + 61 7 Tk 0x000000010111fac1 RecomputeWidgets + 47 8 Tk 0x000000010111facf RecomputeWidgets + 61 9 Tcl 0x0000000101091b87 TclServiceIdle + 76 10 Tcl 0x0000000101076112 Tcl_DoOneEvent + 329 11 _tkinter.so 0x00000001005f165d Tkapp_MainLoop + 413 12 org.python.python 0x00000001000c35fd PyEval_EvalFrameEx + 25213 13 org.python.python 0x00000001000c58c9 PyEval_EvalCodeEx + 2137 14 org.python.python 0x00000001000c31bd PyEval_EvalFrameEx + 24125 15 org.python.python 0x00000001000c3fed PyEval_EvalFrameEx + 27757 16 org.python.python 0x00000001000c58c9 PyEval_EvalCodeEx + 2137 17 org.python.python 0x00000001000c59e6 PyEval_EvalCode + 54 18 org.python.python 0x00000001000ea28e PyRun_FileExFlags + 174 19 org.python.python 0x00000001000ea52a PyRun_SimpleFileExFlags + 458 20 org.python.python 0x00000001001014ed Py_Main + 3101 21 org.python.python 0x0000000100000f14 0x100000000 + 3860 Thread 1:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff88c04d16 kevent + 10 1 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff8c4dedea _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 883 2 libdispatch.dylib 0x00007fff8c4de9ee _dispatch_mgr_thread + 54 Thread 2: 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff88c046d6 __workq_kernreturn + 10 1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c3dff1c _pthread_workq_return + 25 2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c3dfce3 _pthread_wqthread + 412 3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c3ca191 start_wqthread + 13 Thread 3: 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff88c04322 __select + 10 1 Tcl 0x00000001010a9ac2 NotifierThreadProc + 558 2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c3dd772 _pthread_start + 327 3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c3ca1a1 thread_start + 13 Thread 4: 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fff88c046d6 __workq_kernreturn + 10 1 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c3dff1c _pthread_workq_return + 25 2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c3dfce3 _pthread_wqthread + 412 3 libsystem_c.dylib 0x00007fff8c3ca191 start_wqthread + 13 Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit): rax: 0x0000000000000000 rbx: 0x0000000000000006 rcx: 0x00007fff5fbfc798 rdx: 0x0000000000000000 rdi: 0x0000000000000f07 rsi: 0x0000000000000006 rbp: 0x00007fff5fbfc7c0 rsp: 0x00007fff5fbfc798 r8: 0x00007fff75c0d278 r9: 0x00007fff5fbfc7b0 r10: 0x0000000020000000 r11: 0x0000000000000206 r12: 0x000000000000000d r13: 0x0000000000000018 r14: 0x00007fff75c0e180 r15: 0x00000001125743d0 rip: 0x00007fff88c04212 rfl: 0x0000000000000206 cr2: 0x00007fff75c06ff0 Logical CPU: 0 Binary Images: 0x100000000 - 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Owen wrote: > I have not yet tried to come up with a minimal bit of code that shows > the problem, but it sounds as if perhaps I should. That would be helpful. It's hard to tell what's going on with just the crashlog. --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com From nad at acm.org Tue Sep 24 07:34:52 2013 From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:34:52 -0700 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available References: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> <5240F7E1.3000508@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: In article <5240F7E1.3000508 at codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 9/23/13 3:49 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > > I have not yet tried to come up with a minimal bit of code that shows > > the problem, but it sounds as if perhaps I should. > That would be helpful. It's hard to tell what's going on with just the > crashlog. Hmm, that stack trace looks somewhat similar to the one in the IDLE Preferences crash (http://bugs.python.org/issue15853). in that case the crash also occurred at TkpConfigureMenuEntry + 1923 (see the traceback at http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.mac/7080). -- Ned Deily, nad at acm.org From rowen at uw.edu Tue Sep 24 23:09:36 2013 From: rowen at uw.edu (Russell E. Owen) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:09:36 -0700 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available References: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> <5240F7E1.3000508@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: In article <5240F7E1.3000508 at codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 9/23/13 3:49 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > > I have not yet tried to come up with a minimal bit of code that shows > > the problem, but it sounds as if perhaps I should. > > That would be helpful. It's hard to tell what's going on with just the > crashlog. > > --Kevin Here you go. The appended code crashes when I push the button. If I don't mess with the menu bar then it does not crash. -- Russell #!/usr/bin/env python import Tkinter import tkFont root = Tkinter.Tk() parentMenu = Tkinter.Menu(root) mnu = Tkinter.Menu(parentMenu, name="apple", tearoff=0) parentMenu.add_cascade(label = "TUI", menu = mnu) labelWdg = Tkinter.Label(root) font = tkFont.Font() labelWdg.option_add("*Button.font", font) def changeFont(): font.configure(size=14) btn = Tkinter.Button(root, text="Change Font", command=changeFont) btn.pack() root["menu"] = parentMenu root.mainloop() From rowen at uw.edu Tue Sep 24 23:10:07 2013 From: rowen at uw.edu (Russell E. Owen) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:10:07 -0700 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available References: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> <5240F7E1.3000508@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: In article , Ned Deily wrote: > In article <5240F7E1.3000508 at codebykevin.com>, > Kevin Walzer wrote: > > On 9/23/13 3:49 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > > > I have not yet tried to come up with a minimal bit of code that shows > > > the problem, but it sounds as if perhaps I should. > > That would be helpful. It's hard to tell what's going on with just the > > crashlog. > > Hmm, that stack trace looks somewhat similar to the one in the IDLE > Preferences crash (http://bugs.python.org/issue15853). in that case the > crash > also occurred at TkpConfigureMenuEntry + 1923 (see the traceback at > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.mac/7080). I'm pretty sure you are right that it has something to do with the menus. See the toy example I just posted. -- Russell From kw at codebykevin.com Tue Sep 24 23:36:39 2013 From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:36:39 -0400 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available In-Reply-To: References: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> <5240F7E1.3000508@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: <524205E7.3060803@codebykevin.com> On 9/24/13 5:09 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > Here you go. The appended code crashes when I push the button. > If I don't mess with the menu bar then it does not crash. I see the crash, but what's the expected behavior? As I read it you are configuring the text in a label, but the label isn't packed, and has no text in it, so I'm not sure what this sample does (other than illustrating the crash). --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com From rowen at uw.edu Wed Sep 25 02:23:36 2013 From: rowen at uw.edu (Russell E. Owen) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:23:36 -0700 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available References: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> <5240F7E1.3000508@codebykevin.com> <524205E7.3060803@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: In article <524205E7.3060803 at codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 9/24/13 5:09 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > > Here you go. The appended code crashes when I push the button. > > If I don't mess with the menu bar then it does not crash. > > I see the crash, but what's the expected behavior? As I read it you are > configuring the text in a label, but the label isn't packed, and has no > text in it, so I'm not sure what this sample does (other than > illustrating the crash). Well, naturally the prime purpose is to demonstrate the crash. However, if you use 8.5.11 or if you comment out the menu-related stuff then you also will see the button text get larger. I only use the label to access the option database. In any case, I hope this is small enough to be useful for tracking down the problem. I'm wondering if you or somebody else might be able to translate this into tcl? My tcl is weak, but I'll do it if necessary. I assume the Tcl/Tk folks would be much more willing to pay attention if it was pure tcl. -- Russell From kw at codebykevin.com Wed Sep 25 04:59:16 2013 From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 22:59:16 -0400 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available In-Reply-To: References: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> <5240F7E1.3000508@codebykevin.com> <524205E7.3060803@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: <52425184.9060505@codebykevin.com> On 9/24/13 8:23 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > I'm wondering if you or somebody else might be able to > translate this into tcl? My tcl is weak, but I'll do it if necessary. I > assume the Tcl/Tk folks would be much more willing to pay attention if > it was pure tcl. I'll see what I can do here. K -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com From kw at codebykevin.com Wed Sep 25 15:48:59 2013 From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:48:59 -0400 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available In-Reply-To: References: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> <5240F7E1.3000508@codebykevin.com> <524205E7.3060803@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: <5242E9CB.3060508@codebykevin.com> Hi Russell, On 9/24/13 8:23 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > Well, naturally the prime purpose is to demonstrate the crash. However, > if you use 8.5.11 or if you comment out the menu-related stuff then you > also will see the button text get larger. I only use the label to access > the option database. After a bit more digging, I think the bug here is another instance of http://bugs.python.org/issue15853, which caused IDLE to crash. In that case I submitted a patch that worked around the bug by changing how a font was configured in a certain context; see http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/d089b8fb0f56 for the specifics. What suggests to me that this bug is similar, or even the same, is that changing your sample code from configuring the font object directly to specifically configuring the font on the button avoids the crash, cf: btn = Tkinter.Button(root, text="Change Font", command= lambda: btn.configure(font='-size 14')) Note the difference between font.configure(size=14) and btn.configure(font='-size 14'). In the patch we worked out for IDLE, the mechanism of the fix was the same, but the expected behavior of the code did not change: the font in the button gets bigger. The reason I focused on a workaround at the Python script level rather than a fix in Tk was partly because I couldn't reproduce the crash in Tcl itself, even by creating and configuring fonts rather than font attributes in a specific widget. That makes fixing the bug in Tk rather hard. It's possible that the bug is caused by some combination of triggers in Tk-Cocoa's fragile event loop that Python exposes more readily than Tcl code. The upshot of all of this is that I think it would be more productive to tweak application-level code to work around the bug--it's not likely that any fix for Tk-Cocoa's event loop issues is coming any time soon. I realize that may not be the answer you were looking for, and I'm sorry about that. But given the problems still remaining with Tk-Cocoa's event loop, I actually recommend script-level workarounds as a best practice; I do that in my own apps and have not run into a crash in a long time. --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com From rowen at uw.edu Wed Sep 25 20:48:31 2013 From: rowen at uw.edu (Russell E. Owen) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:48:31 -0700 Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Python 3.4.0 alpha 2 available References: <523753EE.4090808@codebykevin.com> <5240F7E1.3000508@codebykevin.com> <524205E7.3060803@codebykevin.com> <5242E9CB.3060508@codebykevin.com> Message-ID: In article <5242E9CB.3060508 at codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > Hi Russell, > > On 9/24/13 8:23 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > > Well, naturally the prime purpose is to demonstrate the crash. However, > > if you use 8.5.11 or if you comment out the menu-related stuff then you > > also will see the button text get larger. I only use the label to access > > the option database. > > After a bit more digging, I think the bug here is another instance of > http://bugs.python.org/issue15853, which caused IDLE to crash. In that > case I submitted a patch that worked around the bug by changing how a > font was configured in a certain context; see > http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/d089b8fb0f56 for the specifics. > > What suggests to me that this bug is similar, or even the same, is that > changing your sample code from configuring the font object directly to > specifically configuring the font on the button avoids the crash, cf: > > btn = Tkinter.Button(root, text="Change Font", command= lambda: > btn.configure(font='-size 14')) > > Note the difference between font.configure(size=14) and > btn.configure(font='-size 14'). In the patch we worked out for IDLE, the > mechanism of the fix was the same, but the expected behavior of the code > did not change: the font in the button gets bigger. > > The reason I focused on a workaround at the Python script level rather > than a fix in Tk was partly because I couldn't reproduce the crash in > Tcl itself, even by creating and configuring fonts rather than font > attributes in a specific widget. That makes fixing the bug in Tk rather > hard. It's possible that the bug is caused by some combination of > triggers in Tk-Cocoa's fragile event loop that Python exposes more > readily than Tcl code. > > The upshot of all of this is that I think it would be more productive to > tweak application-level code to work around the bug--it's not likely > that any fix for Tk-Cocoa's event loop issues is coming any time soon. I > realize that may not be the answer you were looking for, and I'm sorry > about that. But given the problems still remaining with Tk-Cocoa's event > loop, I actually recommend script-level workarounds as a best practice; > I do that in my own apps and have not run into a crash in a long time. Ouch. I'm sure you are right that working around the bug is more practical than waiting for a fix. Those event loop problems sound nearly impossible to resolve. The issue in this case is that I have hundreds of widgets to update. In the real application a preferences panel is used to set font sizes for various two classes of widgets. It sounds quite messy to have to set those manually instead of using the option database. It's not just fonts, either. I also have a few color preferences (primarily to support color-blind users) and changing those color preferences also crashes the application. I don't know a practical way to find and configure all the correct widgets. -- Russell P.S. I tried two stupid tricks. I didn't expect either to work, and indeed they did not: - use root.after to fire the font change later (in the very unlikely hope that this would work around an event loop issue) - use root.tk.call(...) to change the font size (of course this didn't help; surely Tkinter is doing exactly the same thing) P.P.S. here is slightly more minimal code. I got rid of the label widget because root works just as well. As far as I can tell the rest is all required. import Tkinter import tkFont root = Tkinter.Tk() parentMenu = Tkinter.Menu(root) mnu = Tkinter.Menu(parentMenu, name="apple", tearoff=0) parentMenu.add_cascade(label = "TUI", menu = mnu) font = tkFont.Font() root.option_add("*Button.font", font) def changeFont(): font.configure(size=20) btn = Tkinter.Button(root, text="Change Font", command=changeFont) btn.pack() root["menu"] = parentMenu root.mainloop()