[Tkinter-discuss] tkinter extensions

Sun May 19 22:30:01 CEST 2013

I'm going to reply to the three messages in this one post.

@Kevin: Thank you very much, Kevin! I had good memories with BWidgets on Tk
about 10 years ago (wow). Hope it now has even more to offer with tkinter.
I'm also curious about the performance and stability of the extensions.
Would they perform well with basic widgets together?

@John: I'm interested in some specialized widgets I saw in other toolkits,
such as the "rating"  widget (NSLevelIndicator) in Cocoa.

@Alejandro: It sounds like a good idea to have an RAD tool for designing
widgets. I gave it a quick look. Does it support only python 3.2+(?) or is
it just that it requires py3.2 to run the toolkit itself but it can also
generate py2 stuff?

Thanks again to your input,
Beinan

On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:43 AM, <tkinter-discuss-request at python.org> wrote:

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> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 18:36:11 -0400
> From: Kevin Walzer <kw at codebykevin.com>
> To: tkinter-discuss at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Tkinter-discuss] tkinter extensions
> Message-ID: <5198025B.1040809 at codebykevin.com>
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> Hi Benian,
>
> Tkinter indeed has a lot of extension packages. The Tkinter wiki is very
> hit-or-miss in listing and documenting them, however.
>
>
> >     Pmw <http://wiki.python.org/moin/Pmw> (http://pmw.sourceforge.net
> >     <http://pmw.sourceforge.net/>)
>
> PMW is somewhat outdated but still seems to be used in a lot of legacy
> Tkinter apps. It is a pure-Python package and thus is easy to install
> and use.
>
> >   *
> >
> >     Tix
> >     <http://wiki.python.org/moin/Tix> (
> http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-Tix.html)
>
> Tix is a binary (compiled) Tk extension with a Python wrapper. It is a
> pure legacy extension that is now little used in the Tcl/Tk world. It
> needs to be installed as part of Tcl/Tk before you can access it from
> Tkinter.
>
>
> >     TkZinc <http://wiki.python.org/moin/TkZinc> (http://www.tkzinc.org
> >     <http://www.tkzinc.org/>)
>
> Zinc is an enhanced Tkinter canvas extension that is, AFAIK, no longer
> developed.
>
>     *
> >
> >     Tkinter3000
> >     <http://wiki.python.org/moin/Tkinter3000> (http://tkinter.effbot.org
> >     <http://tkinter.effbot.org/>)
>
> I think this is a long-abandoned project of Frederick Lundh that he
> never bothered to remove from his website.
>
>
> >     How Tkinter can exploit Tcl/Tk extensions
> >     <
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/How%20Tkinter%20can%20exploit%20Tcl/Tk%20extensions
> >
>
> This page is not a list of extensions per se but documents how you can
> call into Tcl/Tk and access the functionality of Tk extensions written
> in Tcl even if they do not have a Python wrapper. This is very valuable
> knowledge to have--it is how I access a wide range of Tk packages in my
> apps.
>
> To these, I'd add one more useful widget extension package--Jeff Epler's
> wrapper for BWidgets, which is a very nice widget extension package for
> Tcl/Tk. Unlike Tix, BWidgets is still widely used in Tcl/Tk apps and is
> still actively developed as well. Here's the link for his package:
>
> http://tkinter.unpythonic.net/bwidget/
>
> BWidgets is now up to 1.9.x, the 1.7 release has some bugs, but the
> package bundled with Jeff's code will at least help you get started.
>
> HTH,
> Kevin
>
>
> --
> Kevin Walzer
> Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin
> http://www.codebykevin.com
> http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 19:52:33 -0600 (MDT)
> From: "John W. Shipman" <john at nmt.edu>
> To: Beinan Li <li.beinan at gmail.com>
> Cc: tkinter-discuss at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Tkinter-discuss] tkinter extensions
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> On Sat, 18 May 2013, Beinan Li wrote:
>
> +--
> | I'm new to the list and have to confess that I'm a newbie
> | that needs recommendations on high-level (compound) widgets based on
> | tkinter.
> | As far as I understand, I assume ttk has quite a number of high-level
> | widgets such as notebook,
> | but the inventory is still not as big as one may find in other toolkits
> | like wx or qt.
> +--
>
> I'm not familiar with Tkinter extensions, but here is a quick
> reference for Tkinter 8.5, including ttk:
>
>      http://www.nmt.edu/tcc/help/pubs/tkinter/
>
> The ttk module does include Notebook and Treeview and a few other
> new ones.
>
> I'm quite curious what widgets you need that are not in the basic
> product.
>
> Best regards,
> John Shipman (john at nmt.edu), Applications Specialist
> New Mexico Tech Computer Center, Speare 146, Socorro, NM 87801
> (575) 835-5735, http://www.nmt.edu/~john
>    ``Let's go outside and commiserate with nature.''  --Dave Farber
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 02:43:55 -0300
> From: Alejandro Autalan <alejandroautalan at gmail.com>
> To: li.beinan at gmail.com
> Cc: "tkinter-discuss at python.org" <tkinter-discuss at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tkinter-discuss] tkinter extensions
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> 2013/5/18 Beinan Li <li.beinan at gmail.com>:
> > Hi Tkinter,
> >
> > I'm new to the list and have to confess that I'm a newbie
> > that needs recommendations on high-level (compound) widgets based on
> > tkinter.
> > As far as I understand, I assume ttk has quite a number of high-level
> > widgets such as notebook,
> > but the inventory is still not as big as one may find in other toolkits
> like
> > wx or qt.
> >
> > From tkinter website (http://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter), I saw a
> list of
> > extensions:
> >
> > Pmw (http://pmw.sourceforge.net)
> >
> > Tix (http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-Tix.html)
> >
> > TkZinc (http://www.tkzinc.org)
> >
> > Tkinter3000 (http://tkinter.effbot.org)
> >
> > How Tkinter can exploit Tcl/Tk extensions
> >
> > But not sure if that list still up to date.
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong please.
> > I followed the links and found that at least Pmw, TkZink (last update
> 2007,
> > http://www.tkzinc.org/news/)
> > and Tkinter3000 (last update in 2006: http://effbot.org/zone/wck.htm)
> are
> > not under active dev.
> >
> > Tix looks like already part of the stdlib, but this page
> > (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12499465/tix-tutorials-in-python)
> > suggests that ttk can largely replace it. Personally I doubt it because
> if
> > that were the case, Tix (py2) or tkinter.tix (py3) wouldn't
> > coexist with ttk for this long. But I don't see a lot of tutorials about
> how
> > to use Tix with tkinter. That stackoverflow post is probably
> > the closest clue I can find. So I wonder if Tix has been widely adopted.
> >
> > Then about using Tcl/Tk extensions directly
> > (
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/How%20Tkinter%20can%20exploit%20Tcl/Tk%20extensions
> )
> > that seems to be the technique used by tkinter.tix under the hood (?). I
> > wonder, from your experience, if this approach can provide
> > acceptable stability and performance.
> >
> > Please feel free to give other recommendations about compound widgets if
> > any. If you'd say that Tix is my best bet then any docs or
> > resources about it would be welcomed.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Beinan
> >
>
> Hello Beinan,
>
> Maybe you can use Pygubu [1], a GUI builder that I'm working on, to
> build more complex widgets in a "easy" way.
> Includes the basic ttk widgets and some helpers and is inspired in Glade.
>
> Regards.
>
> [1] https://github.com/alejandroautalan/pygubu
> [2] http://www.nmt.edu/tcc/help/pubs/tkinter/
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