From raycores at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 01:25:13 2012
From: raycores at gmail.com (Lynn Oliver)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 16:25:13 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] crash on tkFileDialog:asksaveasfilename()
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On Sep 30, 2012, at 2:32 PM, wrw at mac.com wrote:

> On Sep 30, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Lynn Oliver <raycores at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's packaged using pyinstaller, so it unpacks into a temp folder and runs from there.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 12:22 PM, wrw at mac.com wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 2:07 PM, Lynn Oliver <raycores at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm puzzled by reports from a single person using my program, who states that he consistently crashes in the common file dialog invoked by asksaveasfilename() if, and only if, he attempts to change folders.  He says this is happening on two different machines, an iMac (see below) and a 2011 MacBookPro, both running 10.8.2 (current version of Mountain Lion).
>>>> 
>>>> The program is using Python 2.7.2, Tcl/Tk 8.5.  I have never seen this error or been able to reproduce it on my machine, a 2011 iMac also running 10.8.2. 
>>>> 
>>>> My understanding is that Tkinter is handing control over to a system dialog, so the crash occurs before control returns to Tkinter.  Is there anything I could be doing in my program that would affect this?  I couldn't find any problem reports similar to this for Tkinter.
>>>> 
>>>> The crash report he sent is below.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks...
>>>> Lynn
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lynn, I'm no help reading the dump, but I have a question, which is possibly relevant.
>>> 
>>> How was your program distributed?  That is, is it an OS-X 'bundle' produced by py2app, or is your user executing python source directly?
>>> 
>>> -Bill
>>> 
> 
> So, have you included _all_ the necessary libraries in the compressed package, and are the imports precise enough that it isn't maybe picking up one of the Apple system python libraries?
> 
> -Bill

That is certainly the idea, and I test it on a machine that has nothing installed other than the OS.  It's not unlikely that the user in question has some dev tools on his machine, but he gets the same result on his wife's MBP, which is unlikely to have the same libraries installed.  I'll check into it, though.

-Lynn
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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 19:16:19 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 18:16:19 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] displaying an image
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im trying to display an image. Ive tried different code from several
tutorials but they seem outdated and nothing works. here's 1 line that
makes me give up.

my_image = Image.open("imagepath.jpg")

this line returns an error of Image doesnt have attribute open, yet
this is what my tutorial has shown me. can anyone please help?

any new tkinter tutorials around?

From michael.odonnell at uam.es  Thu Oct  4 19:29:50 2012
From: michael.odonnell at uam.es (Michael O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:29:50 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] displaying an image
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Hi Matthew,

Your first line should in fact be:

from PIL import Image

...then your line:

my_image = Image.open("imagepath.jpg")

Mick

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> im trying to display an image. Ive tried different code from several
> tutorials but they seem outdated and nothing works. here's 1 line that
> makes me give up.
>
>
>
> this line returns an error of Image doesnt have attribute open, yet
> this is what my tutorial has shown me. can anyone please help?
>
> any new tkinter tutorials around?
> _______________________________________________
> Tkinter-discuss mailing list
> Tkinter-discuss at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss



-- 

Not sent from my iPhone

From raycores at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 20:23:54 2012
From: raycores at gmail.com (Lynn Oliver)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:23:54 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] displaying an image
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I know this isn't exactly what you asked, but I am displaying an image in a label in a --onefile distribution, and this code works both while debugging and while running the packaged application:
      
               if getattr(sys, 'frozen', None):
             basedir = sys._MEIPASS
        else:
             basedir = os.path.dirname(__file__)  
        self.photo = tk.PhotoImage(file=os.path.join(basedir, 'myImage.gif'))
        self.myLabel = ttk.Label(self.myFrame, image=self.photo)
        self.myLabel.grid()

Lynn

On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Michael O'Donnell <michael.odonnell at uam.es> wrote:

> Hi Matthew,
> 
> Your first line should in fact be:
> 
> from PIL import Image
> 
> ...then your line:
> 
> my_image = Image.open("imagepath.jpg")
> 
> Mick
> 
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> im trying to display an image. Ive tried different code from several
>> tutorials but they seem outdated and nothing works. here's 1 line that
>> makes me give up.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> this line returns an error of Image doesnt have attribute open, yet
>> this is what my tutorial has shown me. can anyone please help?
>> 
>> any new tkinter tutorials around?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tkinter-discuss mailing list
>> Tkinter-discuss at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 20:59:31 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:59:31 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] displaying an image
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Lynn Oliver <raycores at gmail.com> wrote:
> I know this isn't exactly what you asked, but I am displaying an image in a
> label in a --onefile distribution, and this code works both while debugging
> and while running the packaged application:
>
>                if getattr(sys, 'frozen', None):
>              basedir = sys._MEIPASS
>         else:
>              basedir = os.path.dirname(__file__)
>         self.photo = tk.PhotoImage(file=os.path.join(basedir,
> 'myImage.gif'))
>         self.myLabel = ttk.Label(self.myFrame, image=self.photo)
>         self.myLabel.grid()
>
> Lynn

i am very new to programming and all that code is confusing me:( sorry:)

> Hi Matthew,
>
> Your first line should in fact be:
>
> from PIL import Image
>
> ...then your line:
>
> my_image = Image.open("imagepath.jpg")
>
> Mick

it gave me an ImportError saying no module named PIL

From michael.odonnell at uam.es  Thu Oct  4 21:11:26 2012
From: michael.odonnell at uam.es (Michael O'Donnell)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 21:11:26 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] displaying an image
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You need to install PIL to use the tutorial you are doing.

http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/

PIL has some advantages to built in images within TKinter,
especially if you are wanting to manipulate images rather than
just display them

Mick

>> Hi Matthew,
>>
>> Your first line should in fact be:
>>
>> from PIL import Image
>>
>> ...then your line:
>>
>> my_image = Image.open("imagepath.jpg")
>>
>> Mick
>
> it gave me an ImportError saying no module named PIL

From raycores at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 21:11:54 2012
From: raycores at gmail.com (Lynn Oliver)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:11:54 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] displaying an image
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I should be the one to apologize; I included code that is required for packages created by pyinstaller, which is a tool that will take a Python script and turn it into a self-contained executable.  Let me try again:
             
import Tkinter as tk
import ttk  
      
    photo = tk.PhotoImage(file='myImageFile.gif'))
    myLabel = ttk.Label(self.myFrame, image=self.photo)
    myLabel.grid()

This is just the Tkinter code.  I have "tk.PhotoImage()" instead of just "PhotoImage()" because of the way I imported Tkinter.  Most examples will probably show this:

from Tkinter import *

so you would not need the "tk." prefix.  I prefer to keep the namespaces separate.

I use "ttk.Label()" instead of "tk.Label()" because I like the newer ttk widgets better.

On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Lynn Oliver <raycores at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I know this isn't exactly what you asked, but I am displaying an image in a
>> label in a --onefile distribution, and this code works both while debugging
>> and while running the packaged application:
>> 
>>               if getattr(sys, 'frozen', None):
>>             basedir = sys._MEIPASS
>>        else:
>>             basedir = os.path.dirname(__file__)
>>        self.photo = tk.PhotoImage(file=os.path.join(basedir,
>> 'myImage.gif'))
>>        self.myLabel = ttk.Label(self.myFrame, image=self.photo)
>>        self.myLabel.grid()
>> 
>> Lynn
> 
> i am very new to programming and all that code is confusing me:( sorry:)
> 
>> Hi Matthew,
>> 
>> Your first line should in fact be:
>> 
>> from PIL import Image
>> 
>> ...then your line:
>> 
>> my_image = Image.open("imagepath.jpg")
>> 
>> Mick
> 
> it gave me an ImportError saying no module named PIL
> _______________________________________________
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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 21:29:31 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 20:29:31 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] displaying an image
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> import Tkinter as tk
> import ttk


i get an ImportError say no module named Tkinter:(

From lionkimbro at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 21:51:08 2012
From: lionkimbro at gmail.com (Lion Kimbro)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:51:08 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] displaying an image
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  Are you running a tutorial for Python 2 from Python 3?

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> > import Tkinter as tk
> > import ttk
>
>
> i get an ImportError say no module named Tkinter:(
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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 22:03:47 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 21:03:47 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] displaying an image
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>   Are you running a tutorial for Python 2 from Python 3?

sorry for the direct email. yes the tutorial uses Python 2, while i
only have Python 3

From lionkimbro at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 22:08:38 2012
From: lionkimbro at gmail.com (Lion Kimbro)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 13:08:38 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] displaying an image
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  The tkinter modules were renamed from 2-3.

  I can't remember where the table is that shows the
renames/reorganization, but you need to know that the modules were renamed.

  In Python 3, it's "import tkinter".
  In Python 2, it's "import Tkinter".

  Other modules within the tkinter hierarchy were renamed as well -- in
most cases, uppercase became lowercase.  If memory serves right, there was
some reorganization of the hierarchy as well.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> >   Are you running a tutorial for Python 2 from Python 3?
>
> sorry for the direct email. yes the tutorial uses Python 2, while i
> only have Python 3
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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 23:02:07 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 22:02:07 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor]  displaying an image
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> Well, you can download 2.7.3 (I think that's the current one) from
> python.org so you aren't stuck on that front. I don't think PIL got
> ported to Python 3.x -- it's more or less abandonware now.


so i can have 2 diff versions of Python on my computer? they won't
conflict with each other?

From Cameron at phaseit.net  Thu Oct  4 23:06:15 2012
From: Cameron at phaseit.net (Cameron Laird)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 21:06:15 +0000
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor]  displaying an image
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On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 10:02:07PM +0100, Matthew Ngaha wrote:
			.
			.
			.
> > Well, you can download 2.7.3 (I think that's the current one) from
> > python.org so you aren't stuck on that front. I don't think PIL got
> > ported to Python 3.x -- it's more or less abandonware now.
> 
> 
> so i can have 2 diff versions of Python on my computer? they won't
> conflict with each other?
			.
			.
			.
It CERTAINLY is possible to have multiple Python
releases nicely installed on a single host, with-
out conflict.  It's even common.

It's also possible to confuse things and create
considerable conflict.  

From chigga101 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 23:44:19 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 22:44:19 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor] displaying an image
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> It CERTAINLY is possible to have multiple Python
> releases nicely installed on a single host, with-
> out conflict.  It's even common.
>
> It's also possible to confuse things and create
> considerable conflict.


thanks for all the help guys. ive been trying to learn tkinter all day
with little luck so im too tired to continue. ill do everything you
guys told me tomorrow and hopefully if all goes well, i won't be
replying to this email, i'll be making a new one with brand new
problems:)

thanks again

From chigga101 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 03:06:41 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 02:06:41 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor]  displaying an image
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> Well actually, no. You can just install Python 2.7 and use PIL with
> that. It might be better though to focus on things that do work in
> Python 3 and find a tutorial that doesn't need PIL.

oh thats a shame. ive look for many tkinter tutorials and all seem to
only do it in Python 2. a book also would really help as they explain
in more detail, but im yet to find a book for tkinter. the only 1 i
saw was released in 2000:(

From michael.odonnell at uam.es  Fri Oct  5 08:30:37 2012
From: michael.odonnell at uam.es (Michael O'Donnell)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:30:37 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor] displaying an image
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Reference guide at:

http://infohost.nmt.edu/tcc/help/pubs/tkinter.pdf

HTML vertsion of Fredrik Lundh's book on tkinter,
from 1999, but still valid for explaining how things work
(Tkinter has not changed much, although some things have
been added, especially  TTK):

http://www.pythonware.com/library/tkinter/introduction/index.htm

A lot of people are still working withpython 2.7. Some modules have not
yet been ported to python3, and users are waiting for the port.
I recently ported my program to 3, and support for some things
is a bit buggy, although mostly there (e.g., issues in numpy, py2app).
And yes, PIL is not yet ported to python3.

Mick

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well actually, no. You can just install Python 2.7 and use PIL with
>> that. It might be better though to focus on things that do work in
>> Python 3 and find a tutorial that doesn't need PIL.
>
> oh thats a shame. ive look for many tkinter tutorials and all seem to
> only do it in Python 2. a book also would really help as they explain
> in more detail, but im yet to find a book for tkinter. the only 1 i
> saw was released in 2000:(
> _______________________________________________
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> Tkinter-discuss at python.org
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From john at nmt.edu  Fri Oct  5 08:44:56 2012
From: john at nmt.edu (John W. Shipman)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 00:44:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor] displaying an image
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012, Michael O'Donnell wrote:

> Reference guide at:
>
> http://infohost.nmt.edu/tcc/help/pubs/tkinter.pdf

Thanks for the plug, Mr. O'Donnell.  I'm the author of that work.
A task on my agenda is to update it for the themed widgets, and
also somehow document the differences in Python 3.x.  However,
it may be a few more months before I can dig down to it.

Comments, suggestions, and corrections always welcome.

Best regards,
John Shipman (john at nmt.edu), Applications Specialist
New Mexico Tech Computer Center, Speare 146, Socorro, NM 87801
(575) 835-5735, http://www.nmt.edu/~john
   ``Let's go outside and commiserate with nature.''  --Dave Farber

From chigga101 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 11:22:43 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 10:22:43 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor]  displaying an image
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> If you're using Windows, Christoph Gholke has an installer for an
> unofficial port to 3.2/3.3 for 32-bit and 64-bit platforms:
>
> http://www.lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/#pil

i have only Python 3.1. is 3.2/3.3 the only versions the installer
will work on.

> He also has the ported source code available to build PIL on a
> non-Windows platform. But be forewarned this is rarely a simple
> process.


im on windows, but those steps are too complicated for me. i am only
slightly past the hello world stage:(

From chigga101 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 20:10:35 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 19:10:35 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor]  displaying an image
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with no solution to my problem after 2 days of pulling my hair out:( i
realize that some libraries are best for the Python version they
support the most. Sadly most tkinter users use version 2 unlike me, so
im pretty much on my own as the solutions don't apply to me. Can
someone please recommend me a toolkit that is fully supported on
Python 3 and has a similar or easier learning curve to tkinter? thanks
for all the help and effort guys.

From bryan.oakley at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 20:53:30 2012
From: bryan.oakley at gmail.com (Bryan Oakley)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:53:30 -0500
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor] displaying an image
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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:
> with no solution to my problem after 2 days of pulling my hair out:( i
> realize that some libraries are best for the Python version they
> support the most. Sadly most tkinter users use version 2 unlike me, so
> im pretty much on my own as the solutions don't apply to me. Can
> someone please recommend me a toolkit that is fully supported on
> Python 3 and has a similar or easier learning curve to tkinter? thanks
> for all the help and effort guys.

Matthew:

Sorry for your problems. Tkinter isn't usually so hard for people to
get started with.

Your original message showed you were trying to open a .jpg image. Do
you have the option of converting it to the GIF format? If so, you
don't need PIL at all since .GIF is directly supported by Tkinter.
For example, to display a GIF  image you can do this:

    class ExampleApp(tk.Tk):
        def __init__(self):
            tk.Tk.__init__(self)
            self.image = tk.PhotoImage(file=image_file)
            label = tk.Label(self, image=self.image)
            label.pack()


    app = ExampleApp()
    app.mainloop()

The above code works for me just fine with Python 3.2. All you need to
do is define 'image_file' to point to a .gif that you want to display.

Unfortunately Tkinter only directly supports .gif and the older
ppm/pgm formats. For any other format you'll need PIL, or some other
way to convert the image to a supported format.

Yeah, I know it's crazy that Tkinter only supports .GIF. For most
people who use Tkinter there are workarounds. Unfortunately, as a
newbie forced to use Python3, the workaround is not so evident.

From klappnase at web.de  Fri Oct  5 21:20:17 2012
From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 21:20:17 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor]  displaying an image
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Hi Matthew,

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 19:10:35 +0100
Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> with no solution to my problem after 2 days of pulling my hair out:( i
> realize that some libraries are best for the Python version they
> support the most. Sadly most tkinter users use version 2 unlike me, so
> im pretty much on my own as the solutions don't apply to me. Can
> someone please recommend me a toolkit that is fully supported on
> Python 3 and has a similar or easier learning curve to tkinter? thanks
> for all the help and effort guys.

maybe what confused you were some of the more "advanced" suggestions
about using the Python Imaging Library (PIL) or installing a second
Python version or discussing the handling of namespaces.

In fact, as far as I see, there is not too much difference in the
Tkinter usage between Python2.7 and Python3, so for the most part the
old Python2-based Tkinter tutorials should still serve you well. The most
evident difference is that since Python3 the tkinter module spells in
lower case.

Coming back to the problem from your original post:

> im trying to display an image. Ive tried different code from several
> tutorials but they seem outdated and nothing works. here's 1 line that
> makes me give up.
> 
> my_image = Image.open("imagepath.jpg")
> 
> this line returns an error of Image doesnt have attribute open, yet
> this is what my tutorial has shown me. can anyone please help?

This line seems in fact to be taken from some tutorial describing the
usage of PIL. In plain Tkinter the simplest program displaying an image
might look like (Python3 version):


from tkinter import *
root = Tk()
img = PhotoImage(file='imagepath.gif')
l = Label(root, image=img)
l.pack()
root.mainloop()

The only difference to the "Python2-version" is the lower-case "Tkinter"
in the first line.
You see that in Tkinter you usually do not have to use the Image class at
all (although it exists) but create the image directly with the PhotoImage
class.
One (more or less serious) restriction of Tkinter's standard PhotoImage
class is however that you can only use GIF images, other formats like
JPEG or PNG are not supported yet. So unfortunately you will either have
to use an external tool to convert your jpegs into gif first or install a
third-party extension like PIL or TkImg* (the latter is easier to use if
you only need support for more file formats, because no commands are
changed or added, but just support for a lot of image file formats is
added silently in the background; I am not sure however if there is a
precompiled binary for windows systems is easily available) if you really
need these formats.

Did this help any?

Best regards

Michael

* http://sourceforge.net/projects/tkimg/


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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 22:34:02 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 21:34:02 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor] displaying an image
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>. So unfortunately you will either have
> to use an external tool to convert your jpegs into gif first or install a
> third-party extension like PIL or TkImg* (the latter is easier to use if
> you only need support for more file formats, because no commands are
> changed or added, but just support for a lot of image file formats is
> added silently in the background; I am not sure however if there is a
> precompiled binary for windows systems is easily available) if you really
> need these formats.

> Did this help any?
> * http://sourceforge.net/projects/tkimg/

thanks. Yes this was very helpful. im not sure when you say precompiled
binary for windows systems. i did download the Tkimg software from the link
you provided. is the next step as easy as extracting the zip file into my
Python folder or is it more involved?
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From klappnase at web.de  Sat Oct  6 11:57:18 2012
From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 11:57:18 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor] displaying an image
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 21:34:02 +0100
Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> >. So unfortunately you will either have
> > to use an external tool to convert your jpegs into gif first or
> > install a third-party extension like PIL or TkImg* (the latter is
> > easier to use if you only need support for more file formats, because
> > no commands are changed or added, but just support for a lot of image
> > file formats is added silently in the background; I am not sure
> > however if there is a precompiled binary for windows systems is
> > easily available) if you really need these formats.
> 
> > Did this help any?
> > * http://sourceforge.net/projects/tkimg/
> 
> thanks. Yes this was very helpful. im not sure when you say precompiled
> binary for windows systems. i did download the Tkimg software from the
> link you provided. is the next step as easy as extracting the zip file
> into my Python folder or is it more involved?

Yes, im afraid ;)
The first thing you should be aware is that TkImg does not have anything
to do with Python, it is purely an extension to Tcl/Tk.
So if you have the "binary" package the files must go into the Tcl folder
of your Python install, usually something like C:\Python31\tcl .

A binary tcl-extension Package usually contains one or more *.dll files
and a pkgIndex.tcl file; the latter is important for the Tcl Interpreter,
so it knows how to handle the dll(s).

Now I looked at the tkimg14.zip file myself, and actually there don't
seem to be any dlls, just the "source code" that must be
"compiled" ("translated" into machine code) first, which unfortunately
might not be too trivial for a beginner.

If you want to try TkImg anyway without having to compile it yourself,
you can look for example here:

http://www.posoft.de/html/extTkImg.html

They offer packages for "windows7" and for "windows" there, not sure if
these also work with xp or vista in case you still have one of these. I
think it might still be worth a try. Since Tk8.5 is there for years now,
I don't think the Tk version actualy in use should matter.

If you copy the contents of one of the .zip files offered there into your
PythonXY\tcl folder there might be a good chance that it "just works", I
never tested it myself. though.

Best regards

Michael



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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 16:36:31 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:36:31 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor] displaying an image
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>
> If you want to try TkImg anyway without having to compile it yourself,
> you can look for example here:
>
> http://www.posoft.de/html/extTkImg.html
>
> If you copy the contents of one of the .zip files offered there into your
> PythonXY\tcl folder there might be a good chance that it "just works", I
> never tested it myself. though.
>
 nothing seems to work with TkImg but however the gif example you showed me
is working fine so i guess im happy with that as gimp successfully converts
my images into gifs. I will try sending an email to TkImg to see if they
can direct me in steps to installling the program.. ive really really
appreciated your help. Thanks for taking the time and effort to offer me
help.
Thanks to everyone else who commented also.
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From klappnase at web.de  Sat Oct  6 16:52:21 2012
From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:52:21 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor] displaying an image
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Hi Matthew,

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 15:36:31 +0100
Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:

>  nothing seems to work with TkImg but however the gif example you
> showed me is working fine so i guess im happy with that as gimp
> successfully converts my images into gifs. I will try sending an email
> to TkImg to see if they can direct me in steps to installling the
> program.

sorry, what I completely forgot to mention about TkImg is that of course
after installing the dlls your program has to tell the Tcl/Tk Interpreter
to use it. The magic line for that in Tcl is:

    package require Img

In Python / Tkinter this can be accomplished with a single line, too, as
in this snippet (note the third line):

from tkinter import *
root = Tk()
root.tk.call('package', 'require', 'Img')
img = PhotoImage(file='imagepath.jpg')
l = Label(root, image=img)
l.pack()
root.mainloop()

So in case you did not try this already, there may still be hope.

Best regards

Michael

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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 17:14:39 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:14:39 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] [Tutor] displaying an image
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>
> sorry, what I completely forgot to mention about TkImg is that of course
> after installing the dlls your program has to tell the Tcl/Tk Interpreter
> to use it. The magic line for that in Tcl is:
>
>     package require Img
>
> In Python / Tkinter this can be accomplished with a single line, too, as
> in this snippet (note the third line):
>
> from tkinter import *
> root = Tk()
> root.tk.call('package', 'require', 'Img')
> img = PhotoImage(file='imagepath.jpg')
> l = Label(root, image=img)
> l.pack()
> root.mainloop()
>
> So in case you did not try this already, there may still be hope.
>
sorry that last email was sent directly by mistake. The above code has
fixed my issues and i am very happy right now:)
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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 16:59:52 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:59:52 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] whats Style()
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hi guys. in my tutorial ive come across an undefined class called Style.
using python 3 most import statements produce an error so i mainly stick
to:
from tkinter import * .

here are some of the lines of code that produces errors in different
examples making it hard to move on:

Style().configure("TFrame", background="#333")
and

self.style = Style()
self.style.theme_use("default")

maybe the error is in my importing but the imports the examples use produce
errors. here are one:

from ttk import Frame, Button, Style
my interpreter doesnt know what ttk is.
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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 17:42:44 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 16:42:44 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] whats Style()
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hey guys please ignore this email, i figured out the problem by using this
import:

 from tkinter import ttk

then using style with

ttk.Style()

still unsure why
from tkinter import ttk, Style

didnt work. but that's ok
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From klappnase at web.de  Sun Oct  7 17:48:32 2012
From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 17:48:32 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] whats Style()
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Hi Matthew,

On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:59:52 +0100
Matthew Ngaha <chigga101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> hi guys. in my tutorial ive come across an undefined class called Style.
> using python 3 most import statements produce an error so i mainly stick
> to:
> from tkinter import * .
> 
> here are some of the lines of code that produces errors in different
> examples making it hard to move on:
> 
> Style().configure("TFrame", background="#333")
> and
> 
> self.style = Style()
> self.style.theme_use("default")
> 
> maybe the error is in my importing but the imports the examples use
> produce errors. here are one:
> 
> from ttk import Frame, Button, Style
> my interpreter doesnt know what ttk is.

This is again due to the changes in the organization of tkinter in
Python3. Your tutorial is probably Python2 based. 
You can see the difference in these brief python2- and -3 sessions:

$ python2.6
Python 2.6.6 (r266:84292, Dec 27 2010, 00:02:40) 
[GCC 4.4.5] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> from Tkinter import *
>>> import ttk
>>> style = ttk.Style()
>>> style.theme_use('clam')
>>> style.theme_use('default')
>>> import sys
>>> sys.path
['', '/usr/lib/python2.6', '/usr/lib/python2.6/plat-linux2',
'/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-old',
'/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload',
'/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages',
'/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages',
'/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/PIL',
'/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gst-0.10',
'/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6', '/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0',
'/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/wx-2.6-gtk2-unicode']
>>> 


$ python3.1
Python 3.1.3 (r313:86834, Nov 28 2010, 11:28:10) 
[GCC 4.4.5] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> from tkinter import *
>>> from tkinter import ttk
>>> style = ttk.Style()
>>> style.theme_use('default')
>>> import sys
>>> sys.path
['', '/usr/lib/python3.1', '/usr/lib/python3.1/plat-linux2',
'/usr/lib/python3.1/lib-dynload',
'/usr/local/lib/python3.1/dist-packages',
'/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.1/dist-packages']
>>> 


The reason of the different import mechanism is of course that in Python3
tkinter is not a single file "Tkinter.py" as in Python2 but now a
"package" which consists of the whole tkinter folder in your Python
install. Now when you call "from tkinter import *" everything in
tkinter/__init__.py is added to the namespace but *not* anything from any
other file in tkinter/... . If you want to use one of these you will have
to import them separately, as with "from tkinter import ttk" or
"from tkinter import messagebox" and so on.

This is because in Python3 the folder containing the tkinter
files is no longer in Python's standard module search path.
If you compare the contents of "sys.path" of Python2 and Python3 above,
you will see that the tkinter directory (here:
'/usr/lib/python3.1/tkinter' is not included, whereas in Python 2 the
tkinter directory (here: '/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-tk') is present.

This all may be confusing at the first glance, but once you get the point
I think it is quite straightforward.

I hope this helps

Michael


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From chigga101 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 19:15:36 2012
From: chigga101 at gmail.com (Matthew Ngaha)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 18:15:36 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] whats Style()
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sorry i sent the email directly by mistake. Just like to say thanks once
again for all the help
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From mkieverpy at tlink.de  Sun Oct  7 20:53:21 2012
From: mkieverpy at tlink.de (mkieverpy at tlink.de)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:53:21 -0000
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss]
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 =?utf-8?q?x_broken=3F?=
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Hello Michael,

I'm back and tested a bit more.
I updated to standard packages (debian wheezy) python 3.2
tcl/tk 8.5 tix 8.4.3 to avoid any problems with who is using
who. I then expanded your test program to emulate my configuration
and what I want to implement. There I noticed that it's not
a tix problem at all, but standard tcl/tk focus behaves the same.
Here's the program:

-----------------------------------------------
import tkinter

root = tkinter.Tk()
f = tkinter.Frame(root)
f.pack(fill='both', expand=1)
tkinter.Button(f, text='foo').pack()

f2 = tkinter.Frame(root)
f2.pack(fill='both')
tkinter.Button(f2, text='bar').pack()

def on_key(event):
    print('key')
def on_focus_out(event):
    print('focus out')
    f.focus_set()
f.focus_set()
f.bind('<Key>', on_key)
f.bind('<FocusOut>', on_focus_out)

root.mainloop()
-----------------------------------------------

The problem is when I use the 'Tab' key to move
the focus. The first 'Tab' moves the focus
to the 'foo' button. 'f' no longer gets key events
but does not get the focus out event either.
The next 'Tab' moves the focus to the 'bar' button,
'f' gets the focus out event and key events arrive again
after I do 'focus_set'.
So it looks like tk standard behaviour. Can I get what I want?
In my program it's a mouse click that can move
the focus away. So tweaking or disabling 'Tab' is not a solution.

Regards,
Matthias Kievernagel

From mkieverpy at tlink.de  Mon Oct  8 13:09:30 2012
From: mkieverpy at tlink.de (mkieverpy at tlink.de)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:09:30 -0000
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss]
 =?utf-8?q?FocusOut_not_working_as_expected_-_ti?=
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Hello Michael,

I found a workaround:

------------------------------------------------
import tkinter

root = tkinter.Tk()
f = tkinter.Frame(root)
f.pack(fill='both', expand=1)
tkinter.Button(f, text='foo').pack()

f2 = tkinter.Frame(root)
f2.pack(fill='both')
tkinter.Button(f2, text='bar').pack()

f3 = tkinter.Frame(root)
f3.pack(fill='both')

def on_key(event):
    print('key')
def on_focus_out(event):
    print('focus out')
    f3.focus_set()
f3.focus_set()
f3.bind('<Key>', on_key)
f3.bind('<FocusOut>', on_focus_out)

root.mainloop()
------------------------------------------------

The other program does not look wrong though.
I think I'll ask at tcl/tk if they think it's a bug.

Regards,
Matthias Kievernagel



From pedrovmarcal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 11:32:32 2012
From: pedrovmarcal at gmail.com (Pedro Marcal)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 02:32:32 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Error in import of Tkinter in python 2.7
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I have python 2.6 and 2.7 installed on my Windows 7-prof.
my IDLE runs OK with Tkinter.
When I tried to use IDLE in 2.7 I got the above error. I suspect I need to
set an environmental Variable.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Pedro
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From lionkimbro at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 20:01:50 2012
From: lionkimbro at gmail.com (Lion Kimbro)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:01:50 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Error in import of Tkinter in python 2.7
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  I'm curious -- do you have a file Python27/libs/_tkinter.lib ..?

  ( Maybe you have a Python build that excluded tk? )


On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Pedro Marcal <pedrovmarcal at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have python 2.6 and 2.7 installed on my Windows 7-prof.
> my IDLE runs OK with Tkinter.
> When I tried to use IDLE in 2.7 I got the above error. I suspect I need to
> set an environmental Variable.
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> Pedro
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tkinter-discuss mailing list
> Tkinter-discuss at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss
>
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From pedrovmarcal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 20:50:44 2012
From: pedrovmarcal at gmail.com (Pedro Marcal)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:50:44 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Error in import of Tkinter in python 2.7
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I do have the file _tkinter.lib.
In fact when I compare my Lib files, I have all the tkinter related files
in 2.7 that I have in 2.6.
Thanks, Pedro

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Lion Kimbro <lionkimbro at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>   I'm curious -- do you have a file Python27/libs/_tkinter.lib ..?
>
>   ( Maybe you have a Python build that excluded tk? )
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Pedro Marcal <pedrovmarcal at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I have python 2.6 and 2.7 installed on my Windows 7-prof.
>> my IDLE runs OK with Tkinter.
>> When I tried to use IDLE in 2.7 I got the above error. I suspect I need
>> to set an environmental Variable.
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>> Pedro
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tkinter-discuss mailing list
>> Tkinter-discuss at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss
>>
>>
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From lionkimbro at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 20:59:43 2012
From: lionkimbro at gmail.com (Lion Kimbro)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:59:43 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Error in import of Tkinter in python 2.7
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  python -c "import sys; print sys.path"

  What do you get?


On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Pedro Marcal <pedrovmarcal at gmail.com>wrote:

> I do have the file _tkinter.lib.
> In fact when I compare my Lib files, I have all the tkinter related files
> in 2.7 that I have in 2.6.
> Thanks, Pedro
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Lion Kimbro <lionkimbro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>   I'm curious -- do you have a file Python27/libs/_tkinter.lib ..?
>>
>>   ( Maybe you have a Python build that excluded tk? )
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Pedro Marcal <pedrovmarcal at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I have python 2.6 and 2.7 installed on my Windows 7-prof.
>>> my IDLE runs OK with Tkinter.
>>> When I tried to use IDLE in 2.7 I got the above error. I suspect I need
>>> to set an environmental Variable.
>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>> Pedro
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tkinter-discuss mailing list
>>> Tkinter-discuss at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
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From pedrovmarcal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 21:41:25 2012
From: pedrovmarcal at gmail.com (Pedro Marcal)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:41:25 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Error in import of Tkinter in python 2.7
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the attached output.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Lion Kimbro <lionkimbro at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>   python -c "import sys; print sys.path"
>
>   What do you get?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Pedro Marcal <pedrovmarcal at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I do have the file _tkinter.lib.
>> In fact when I compare my Lib files, I have all the tkinter related files
>> in 2.7 that I have in 2.6.
>> Thanks, Pedro
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Lion Kimbro <lionkimbro at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>   I'm curious -- do you have a file Python27/libs/_tkinter.lib ..?
>>>
>>>   ( Maybe you have a Python build that excluded tk? )
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Pedro Marcal <pedrovmarcal at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have python 2.6 and 2.7 installed on my Windows 7-prof.
>>>> my IDLE runs OK with Tkinter.
>>>> When I tried to use IDLE in 2.7 I got the above error. I suspect I need
>>>> to set an environmental Variable.
>>>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>> Pedro
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Tkinter-discuss mailing list
>>>> Tkinter-discuss at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From klappnase at web.de  Wed Oct 10 11:37:35 2012
From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:37:35 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] FocusOut not working as expected - tix broken?
In-Reply-To: <3XZzNd5Z6rzQmM@mail.python.org>
References: <3XZzNd5Z6rzQmM@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20121010113735.91baa50c.klappnase@web.de>

Hi,

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:09:30 -0000
mkieverpy at tlink.de wrote:

(...)
> 
> The other program does not look wrong though.
> I think I'll ask at tcl/tk if they think it's a bug.

The problem in your first example is the following:

def on_focus_out(event):
    print('focus out')
    f.focus_set()
f.focus_set()
f.bind('<Key>', on_key)
f.bind('<FocusOut>', on_focus_out)

Now you force the focus when it leaves f immediately back to f - and this
is exactly what Tk does : when you hit "Tab" while the "foo" button is
focussed the <FocusOut> event for f is triggered and so the focus is
moved to f again (but *not* to the button and thus not visibly
highlighted). Then you hit "tab" again and the focus moves to the
"foo"-button again, but does not leave the parent-Frame f and so no
<FocusOut> event is created. I changed your example a little to help see
what's going on:

import tkinter

root = tkinter.Tk()
f = tkinter.Frame(root)
f.pack(fill='both', expand=1)
tkinter.Button(f, text='foo').pack()

f2 = tkinter.Frame(root)
f2.pack(fill='both')
tkinter.Button(f2, text='bar').pack()

def on_key(event):
    print('key')
def on_focus_out(event):
    print('focus out')
    f.focus_set()
f.focus_set()
f.bind('<Key>', on_key)
f.bind('<FocusOut>', on_focus_out)

def on_focus_in(event):
    print('focus in\n')
f.bind('<FocusIn>', on_focus_in)

root.mainloop()


On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 18:53:21 -0000
mkieverpy at tlink.de wrote:

> The problem is when I use the 'Tab' key to move
> the focus. The first 'Tab' moves the focus
> to the 'foo' button. 'f' no longer gets key events
> but does not get the focus out event either.
> The next 'Tab' moves the focus to the 'bar' button,
> 'f' gets the focus out event and key events arrive again
> after I do 'focus_set'.
> So it looks like tk standard behaviour. Can I get what I want?

With your example from the previous post the focus will never reach the
"bar" button, maybe it was a typo in on_focus_out() and should be
f2.focus.set() ?
Anyway, I am not sure what exactly you want to achieve (maybe I missed
something from your previous posts?), is there a particular reason why not
to do nothing about focus handling and just leave it to the WM?


Regards

Michael


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From mkieverpy at tlink.de  Thu Oct 11 18:20:10 2012
From: mkieverpy at tlink.de (mkieverpy at tlink.de)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:20:10 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss]
 =?utf-8?q?FocusOut_not_working_as_expected_-_ti?=
 =?utf-8?q?x_broken=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <20121010113735.91baa50c.klappnase@web.de>
References: <3XZzNd5Z6rzQmM@mail.python.org>
	<20121010113735.91baa50c.klappnase@web.de>
Message-ID: <b5d52a67bab3f6eed9fa1707ba5d0188@tlink.de>


 Hi,

 On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:37:35 +0200, Michael Lange wrote:
> (...)
>> The problem is when I use the 'Tab' key to move
>> the focus. The first 'Tab' moves the focus
>> to the 'foo' button. 'f' no longer gets key events
>> but does not get the focus out event either.
>> The next 'Tab' moves the focus to the 'bar' button,
>> 'f' gets the focus out event and key events arrive again
>> after I do 'focus_set'.
>> So it looks like tk standard behaviour. Can I get what I want?
>
> With your example from the previous post the focus will never reach 
> the
> "bar" button, maybe it was a typo in on_focus_out() and should be
> f2.focus.set() ?
> Anyway, I am not sure what exactly you want to achieve (maybe I 
> missed
> something from your previous posts?), is there a particular reason 
> why not
> to do nothing about focus handling and just leave it to the WM?

 Sorry, to have been unclear here.
 My main interest is capturing all keyboard input
 with these lines:
 ------------------------------
 def on_key(event):
     print('key')

 f.bind('<Key>', on_key)
 ------------------------------
 I want to use this to implement keyboard control for some features.
 In the case where 'f' has children which can get focus
 I may loose keyboard input because 'f' won't get notified
 about FocusOut (lines 2-4 in my above description).
 In the workaround I use a frame without children.
 In this case I always get the FocusOut event and
 can reclaim focus with 'f.focus_set()'.

 Regards,
 Matthias Kievernagel


From klappnase at web.de  Thu Oct 11 19:19:52 2012
From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:19:52 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] FocusOut not working as expected - tix broken?
In-Reply-To: <b5d52a67bab3f6eed9fa1707ba5d0188@tlink.de>
References: <3XZzNd5Z6rzQmM@mail.python.org>
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	<b5d52a67bab3f6eed9fa1707ba5d0188@tlink.de>
Message-ID: <20121011191952.3d80784d.klappnase@web.de>

Hi,

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:20:10 +0200
mkieverpy at tlink.de wrote:

>  My main interest is capturing all keyboard input
>  with these lines:
>  ------------------------------
>  def on_key(event):
>      print('key')
> 
>  f.bind('<Key>', on_key)
>  ------------------------------
>  I want to use this to implement keyboard control for some features.
>  In the case where 'f' has children which can get focus
>  I may loose keyboard input because 'f' won't get notified
>  about FocusOut (lines 2-4 in my above description).
>  In the workaround I use a frame without children.
>  In this case I always get the FocusOut event and
>  can reclaim focus with 'f.focus_set()'.

I am not sure if I understand correctly what you are trying to achieve;
in one my programs there is a window with a couple of keyboard bindings
for this and that, there I simply put all the bindings into one method
like this:

    def apply_default_bindings(self, widget):
        for key in ('KP_Home', 'KP_End', 'KP_Insert', 'KP_Up', 'KP_Left',
                    'KP_Right', 'KP_Down', 'KP_Next', 'KP_Prior',
                    'KP_Begin', 'z'):
             widget.bind('<Control-%s>' % key, self.zoom_in_by_key)
        for key in ('KP_0', 'KP_1', 'KP_2', 'KP_3', 'KP_4', 'KP_5',
                    'KP_6', 'KP_7', 'KP_8', 'KP_9', 'Z'):
            widget.bind('<Control-Shift-%s>' %key, self.zoom_out_by_key)
        for key in ('Left', 'Right', 'Prior', 'Next', 'Home', 'End'):
            widget.bind('<%s>' % key, self.scroll_canvas)
        widget.bind('<Control-o>', self.openfile)
        widget.bind('<Control-s>', self.stop)
        widget.bind('<Control-p>', self.play)
        widget.bind('<Control-i>', self.pause)
        widget.bind('<Control-Down>', self.set_volume)
        widget.bind('<Control-Up>', self.set_volume)
        widget.bind('<Control-n>', self.setmark)
        widget.bind('<Control-d>', self.clearmarks)
        widget.bind('<Control-t>', self.see_next_mark)
        widget.bind('<Control-Shift-T>', self.see_prev_mark)
        widget.bind('<Control-c>', self.see_cursor)
        widget.bind('<Control-Shift-C>', self.center_cursor)
        widget.bind('<Control-Left>', self.move_cursor)
        widget.bind('<Control-Right>', self.move_cursor)
        widget.bind('<Control-Prior>', self.move_cursor)
        widget.bind('<Control-Next>', self.move_cursor)

and call this once every widget in the window, which
costs a few extra lines, but otoh saves quite some headaches about which
widget is focussed.

Regards

Michael


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From bryan.oakley at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 19:35:23 2012
From: bryan.oakley at gmail.com (Bryan Oakley)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:35:23 -0500
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] FocusOut not working as expected - tix broken?
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM,  <mkieverpy at tlink.de> wrote:
> Sorry, to have been unclear here.
> My main interest is capturing all keyboard input
> with these lines:
> ------------------------------
>
> def on_key(event):
>     print('key')
>
> f.bind('<Key>', on_key)

There are better ways to capture all keyboard input if that's your
real goal. Are you aware of the "bind_all" method, which associates a
binding with all widgets? Typically this is used for shortcuts, but it
can be used any time you want to capture certain events no matter
where they occur.

Tkinter has the notion of "bind tags" (or bindtags). To this day, no
other GUI toolkit has as powerful of a mechanism for managing events;
this is truly one of Tkinter's hidden gems. The short version is, you
can associate a custom tag to any (or every) widget, and then bind to
that tag. Then, no matter what widget has focus, your binding will
fire. The advantage this has over "bind_all" is that with the bindtag
you can control when the event is processed -- before the actual
event, after the actual event, etc. With "bind_all", the "all"
bindings by default are processed after event and class level
bindings. The practical implication of that is that the widget or
class bindings have the option to prevent the event from propagating.
With bind tags you can guarantee your bindings fire before any others.



I

From bryan.oakley at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 19:39:35 2012
From: bryan.oakley at gmail.com (Bryan Oakley)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:39:35 -0500
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] FocusOut not working as expected - tix broken?
In-Reply-To: <20121011191952.3d80784d.klappnase@web.de>
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Michael Lange <klappnase at web.de> wrote:
> I am not sure if I understand correctly what you are trying to achieve;
> in one my programs there is a window with a couple of keyboard bindings
> for this and that, there I simply put all the bindings into one method
> like this:
>
>     def apply_default_bindings(self, widget):
>     ...
> and call this once every widget in the window, which
> costs a few extra lines, but otoh saves quite some headaches about which
> widget is focussed.

That's more complicated than it needs to be. I'll give you the same
advice as I just gave someone else: are you aware of "bind_all" and
Tkinter's bindtags? That is a much cleaner way to implement global
bindings IMO. The advantage to "bind_all" is that individual widgets
can override the default bindings if they want (eg: if you want
control-o to mean something totally different only in one widget, you
can).

From klappnase at web.de  Thu Oct 11 20:23:24 2012
From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 20:23:24 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] FocusOut not working as expected - tix broken?
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References: <3XZzNd5Z6rzQmM@mail.python.org>
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:39:35 -0500
Bryan Oakley <bryan.oakley at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's more complicated than it needs to be. I'll give you the same
> advice as I just gave someone else: are you aware of "bind_all" and
> Tkinter's bindtags? That is a much cleaner way to implement global
> bindings IMO. The advantage to "bind_all" is that individual widgets
> can override the default bindings if they want (eg: if you want
> control-o to mean something totally different only in one widget, you
> can).

It is not certain if we are talking about global bindings however, that
depends on the the OP's application. In the case of my example the
bindings just apply to the widgets inside one particular container, not
globally to all widgets. Then it comes in handy to simply do:

for widget in (button1, button2, button3, entry1, spinbox1, spinbox2):
    apply_default_bindings(widget)

That's just three extra lines including the function definition to apply
quite a bunch of bindings to all relevant widgets, I don't think this is
so awfully complicated ;)

There is of course bind_all, as well as bind_class and bindtags or the
simple possibility of a custom widget class with extra default bindings.
Which one is the best of course depends on what exactly you want to
achieve and how the application window is designed. 

I think global bindings are usually fine for simple window layouts, but
for more complex apps with several windows or several containers in one
window (e.g. in Tab-like interfaces), custom dialogs etc. you may have to
be careful to avoid unwanted effects.

Regards

Michael

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From mkieverpy at tlink.de  Tue Oct 16 14:42:25 2012
From: mkieverpy at tlink.de (mkieverpy at tlink.de)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:42:25 -0000
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss]
 =?utf-8?q?FocusOut_not_working_as_expected_-_ti?=
 =?utf-8?q?x_broken=3F?=
Message-ID: <3Xgz164djHzRDb@mail.python.org>


Hello,

thanks for the new hints/information Michael and Bryan.
I don't know if your hints would work in my setup, though.
Except bind_all, which should work, I guess.

My program structure:
I have a Frame, which is nearly the complete toplevel window
(only a title label and quit button outside;
this is the Frame I originally tried to let capture all the keys).
The left half is taken by a tix Tree and the right half
contains one of a few editor classes (subclassed from Frame)
which get exchanged based on the selected Tree node.
One type of nodes opens a Canvas in the right half
where I want the key shortcuts to work.

The problem I see with both your hints (bind keys to all widgets,
tag widgets and bind keys to tag) is I doubt they will work with tix Tree.
I don't think tix Tree hands down any bind or tag to
its subwidgets (or does it?).

Thanks again,
Matthias Kievernagel

From klappnase at web.de  Tue Oct 16 20:03:40 2012
From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:03:40 +0200
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] FocusOut not working as expected - tix broken?
In-Reply-To: <3Xgz164djHzRDb@mail.python.org>
References: <3Xgz164djHzRDb@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20121016200340.2ccefc67.klappnase@web.de>

Hi,

On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:42:25 -0000
mkieverpy at tlink.de wrote:

> The problem I see with both your hints (bind keys to all widgets,
> tag widgets and bind keys to tag) is I doubt they will work with tix
> Tree. I don't think tix Tree hands down any bind or tag to
> its subwidgets (or does it?).

Why not simply try it:


import tkinter
from tkinter import tix

root = tix.Tk()

t = tix.Tree(root)
t.pack(side='left')
l = tkinter.Listbox(root)
l.pack(side='right')

def on_key(event):
    print(str(event.widget) + ' received key event: ' + event.keysym)

root.bind_all('<Any-Key>', on_key, add=True)

root.mainloop()

Here this works as expected. You can even use a DirTree instead of a Tree
and you will see that keyboard navigation through the tree still works
fine.

Regards

Michael


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From psimon at sonic.net  Mon Oct 22 00:31:06 2012
From: psimon at sonic.net (Paul Simon)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:31:06 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] loop delay
Message-ID: <k61t5i$u6$1@ger.gmane.org>

I' m a novice python programmer and now starting to learn tkinter for a 
front and db back end to replace an application written MS Access/VBA.  The 
following program doesn't work as I expected as data is not written to the 
text box until the def is exited.  If I include a print statement with the 
increment it is printed.

Any suggestions are welcome.

from Tkinter import *

from time import sleep

def count (event):

#while n < 2:

for n in range(2):

print str(n)

text_button.insert(2.0, str(n))

sleep (2)


root = Tk()

root.geometry("300x300+10+10")

frame = Frame(root,bg="red", width=100,height=100)

text_button = Text(frame,fg ="green",bg="blue",height=1,width=7)

text_button.bind("<Button-1>",count)

text_button.pack(side=LEFT)

quit_button = Button(frame, text="QUIT",fg="red", command=root.destroy)

quit_button.pack(side=LEFT)

frame.pack()

root.mainloop()

-------------------------------

Paul Simon




From raycores at gmail.com  Mon Oct 22 04:17:07 2012
From: raycores at gmail.com (Lynn Oliver)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:17:07 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] loop delay
In-Reply-To: <k61t5i$u6$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <k61t5i$u6$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <7BF8A3B5-45A3-499C-89C8-34F1EC25103A@gmail.com>

Maybe the idle loop needs to run so things get done.  Try calling update_idletasks().  Be nice to have some indents...

Lynn

On Oct 21, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Paul Simon <psimon at sonic.net> wrote:

> I' m a novice python programmer and now starting to learn tkinter for a 
> front and db back end to replace an application written MS Access/VBA.  The 
> following program doesn't work as I expected as data is not written to the 
> text box until the def is exited.  If I include a print statement with the 
> increment it is printed.
> 
> Any suggestions are welcome.
> 
> from Tkinter import *
> 
> from time import sleep
> 
> def count (event):
> 
> #while n < 2:
> 
> for n in range(2):
> 
> print str(n)
> 
> text_button.insert(2.0, str(n))
> 
> sleep (2)
> 
> 
> root = Tk()
> 
> root.geometry("300x300+10+10")
> 
> frame = Frame(root,bg="red", width=100,height=100)
> 
> text_button = Text(frame,fg ="green",bg="blue",height=1,width=7)
> 
> text_button.bind("<Button-1>",count)
> 
> text_button.pack(side=LEFT)
> 
> quit_button = Button(frame, text="QUIT",fg="red", command=root.destroy)
> 
> quit_button.pack(side=LEFT)
> 
> frame.pack()
> 
> root.mainloop()
> 
> -------------------------------
> 
> Paul Simon
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Tkinter-discuss mailing list
> Tkinter-discuss at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss

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From psimon at sonic.net  Mon Oct 22 05:39:59 2012
From: psimon at sonic.net (Paul Simon)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:39:59 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] loop delay
References: <k61t5i$u6$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<7BF8A3B5-45A3-499C-89C8-34F1EC25103A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <k62f7g$nl8$1@ger.gmane.org>

Thank you!  Just what I was looking for and will have to re-read the documentation.  Sorry about the indents:  Copying from linux to windows sometimes does some strange things and although I tried to fix it...

Paul
  "Lynn Oliver" <raycores at gmail.com> wrote in message news:7BF8A3B5-45A3-499C-89C8-34F1EC25103A at gmail.com...
  Maybe the idle loop needs to run so things get done.  Try calling update_idletasks().  Be nice to have some indents...


  Lynn



  On Oct 21, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Paul Simon <psimon at sonic.net> wrote:


    I' m a novice python programmer and now starting to learn tkinter for a 
    front and db back end to replace an application written MS Access/VBA.  The 
    following program doesn't work as I expected as data is not written to the 
    text box until the def is exited.  If I include a print statement with the 
    increment it is printed.

    Any suggestions are welcome.

    from Tkinter import *

    from time import sleep

    def count (event):

    #while n < 2:

    for n in range(2):

    print str(n)

    text_button.insert(2.0, str(n))

    sleep (2)


    root = Tk()

    root.geometry("300x300+10+10")

    frame = Frame(root,bg="red", width=100,height=100)

    text_button = Text(frame,fg ="green",bg="blue",height=1,width=7)

    text_button.bind("<Button-1>",count)

    text_button.pack(side=LEFT)

    quit_button = Button(frame, text="QUIT",fg="red", command=root.destroy)

    quit_button.pack(side=LEFT)

    frame.pack()

    root.mainloop()

    -------------------------------

    Paul Simon



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From raycores at gmail.com  Mon Oct 22 06:02:41 2012
From: raycores at gmail.com (Lynn Oliver)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:02:41 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] loop delay
In-Reply-To: <k62f7g$nl8$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <k61t5i$u6$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<7BF8A3B5-45A3-499C-89C8-34F1EC25103A@gmail.com>
	<k62f7g$nl8$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <6275F90B-41E4-4E35-9BAA-AFA2B9BB71F3@gmail.com>

My experience, which admittedly is limited, has been that a lot of the ins and outs are not well documented.  

For my current program I went through three iterations of the UI: the first when I found out about validators; the second when I learned how to use trace functions; and (hopefully) the last when I realized I could just bind the key_up events and do everything I needed right there.  

On Oct 21, 2012, at 8:39 PM, "Paul Simon" <psimon at sonic.net> wrote:

> Thank you!  Just what I was looking for and will have to re-read the documentation.  Sorry about the indents:  Copying from linux to windows sometimes does some strange things and although I tried to fix it...
>  
> Paul
> "Lynn Oliver" <raycores at gmail.com> wrote in message news:7BF8A3B5-45A3-499C-89C8-34F1EC25103A at gmail.com...
> Maybe the idle loop needs to run so things get done.  Try calling update_idletasks().  Be nice to have some indents...
> 
> Lynn
> 
> On Oct 21, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Paul Simon <psimon at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
>> I' m a novice python programmer and now starting to learn tkinter for a 
>> front and db back end to replace an application written MS Access/VBA.  The 
>> following program doesn't work as I expected as data is not written to the 
>> text box until the def is exited.  If I include a print statement with the 
>> increment it is printed.
>> 
>> Any suggestions are welcome.
>> 
>> from Tkinter import *
>> 
>> from time import sleep
>> 
>> def count (event):
>> 
>> #while n < 2:
>> 
>> for n in range(2):
>> 
>> print str(n)
>> 
>> text_button.insert(2.0, str(n))
>> 
>> sleep (2)
>> 
>> 
>> root = Tk()
>> 
>> root.geometry("300x300+10+10")
>> 
>> frame = Frame(root,bg="red", width=100,height=100)
>> 
>> text_button = Text(frame,fg ="green",bg="blue",height=1,width=7)
>> 
>> text_button.bind("<Button-1>",count)
>> 
>> text_button.pack(side=LEFT)
>> 
>> quit_button = Button(frame, text="QUIT",fg="red", command=root.destroy)
>> 
>> quit_button.pack(side=LEFT)
>> 
>> frame.pack()
>> 
>> root.mainloop()
>> 
>> -------------------------------
>> 
>> Paul Simon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tkinter-discuss mailing list
>> Tkinter-discuss at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tkinter-discuss
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From bryan.oakley at gmail.com  Mon Oct 22 13:13:07 2012
From: bryan.oakley at gmail.com (Bryan Oakley)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:13:07 -0500
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] loop delay
In-Reply-To: <k61t5i$u6$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <k61t5i$u6$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CAKypQny33xJ=w_Ti7CZyA4axopx+wxAh5ZO+qjFvLuGr_Ytsmw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Paul Simon <psimon at sonic.net> wrote:
> I' m a novice python programmer and now starting to learn tkinter for a
> front and db back end to replace an application written MS Access/VBA.  The
> following program doesn't work as I expected as data is not written to the
> text box until the def is exited.  If I include a print statement with the
> increment it is printed.
>
> Any suggestions are welcome.

The crux of the matter is this: the windows are (re)drawn in response
to events which instruct them to redraw themselves. The only way that
can happen is if the event loop is running.

When you have a loop in your code, while that loop is running the
event loop is _not_ running. This is especially bad if you put a sleep
in your code, because that causes the entire GUI to freeze. As a rule
of thumb you should never, ever use sleep in a GUI.

The quick fix for your problem is to add a call to `update_idletasks`
in your loop. Why `update_idletasks` instead of `update`? Because the
redrawing of windows is considered an "idle" task -- it is a class of
event that Tk will service when it is otherwise idle. That, and
calling `update` is potentially dangerous since it effectively creates
a new event loop nested inside the current event loop.

However, that's just a hack. The better solution is to architect your
code differently. If you have a long running process you should
consider running it in a separate thread or separate process. Even
better, if you can divide your work up into small chunks you can set
it up so that each chunk can be run during one iteration of the event
loop. You can request that Tkinter execute something during a future
iteration of the event loop with the `after` method.

Typically you do this with a function that does one chunk of work. It
then checks to see if there are any more chunks (by checking a flag,
or a list of data to be processed, etc) . If it finds there is more
work to do it uses itself as an argument to `after`, with a delay of a
few ms. That way, each time the event loop loops, it does one chunk of
your processing. No threads, no processes, no sleeps.

If you want to see an example of a countdown timer using this
technique see http://stackoverflow.com/a/10599462/7432

From psimon at sonic.net  Thu Oct 25 01:37:49 2012
From: psimon at sonic.net (Paul Simon)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:37:49 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] loop delay
References: <k61t5i$u6$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<CAKypQny33xJ=w_Ti7CZyA4axopx+wxAh5ZO+qjFvLuGr_Ytsmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <k69uiu$9e5$1@ger.gmane.org>

Thanks very much for your response.  What I wrote is just a very simple 
script to familiarize myself with tkinter.  I'm making a lot of mistakes and 
so learning a lot :-)

The "sleep" command is in there so I can just see if the write loop is 
running, using the "sleep" for the delay.  I'm still working on figuring out 
widget placement.

The entire program is a replacement of a MS Access app written in VBA, and 
requires three parts.  A gui (tkinter), data access using the serial port 
with RS-485, and a simple database using sqlite.  The latter two pieces 
work, sort of, and am now working on the gui.  The RS-485 interface needs 
the sleep command or a do-while loop to wait for hardware turn around due to 
the absence of hand shake in the serial interface.

I would be happy to keep you guys informed of my slow process ("life 
interferes") if you wish.  You can see the current implementation on my web 
site, www.gophergulch.net under "temperature."
Paul
"Bryan Oakley" <bryan.oakley at gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:CAKypQny33xJ=w_Ti7CZyA4axopx+wxAh5ZO+qjFvLuGr_Ytsmw at mail.gmail.com...
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Paul Simon <psimon at sonic.net> wrote:
>> I' m a novice python programmer and now starting to learn tkinter for a
>> front and db back end to replace an application written MS Access/VBA. 
>> The
>> following program doesn't work as I expected as data is not written to 
>> the
>> text box until the def is exited.  If I include a print statement with 
>> the
>> increment it is printed.
>>
>> Any suggestions are welcome.
>
> The crux of the matter is this: the windows are (re)drawn in response
> to events which instruct them to redraw themselves. The only way that
> can happen is if the event loop is running.
>
> When you have a loop in your code, while that loop is running the
> event loop is _not_ running. This is especially bad if you put a sleep
> in your code, because that causes the entire GUI to freeze. As a rule
> of thumb you should never, ever use sleep in a GUI.
>
> The quick fix for your problem is to add a call to `update_idletasks`
> in your loop. Why `update_idletasks` instead of `update`? Because the
> redrawing of windows is considered an "idle" task -- it is a class of
> event that Tk will service when it is otherwise idle. That, and
> calling `update` is potentially dangerous since it effectively creates
> a new event loop nested inside the current event loop.
>
> However, that's just a hack. The better solution is to architect your
> code differently. If you have a long running process you should
> consider running it in a separate thread or separate process. Even
> better, if you can divide your work up into small chunks you can set
> it up so that each chunk can be run during one iteration of the event
> loop. You can request that Tkinter execute something during a future
> iteration of the event loop with the `after` method.
>
> Typically you do this with a function that does one chunk of work. It
> then checks to see if there are any more chunks (by checking a flag,
> or a list of data to be processed, etc) . If it finds there is more
> work to do it uses itself as an argument to `after`, with a delay of a
> few ms. That way, each time the event loop loops, it does one chunk of
> your processing. No threads, no processes, no sleeps.
>
> If you want to see an example of a countdown timer using this
> technique see http://stackoverflow.com/a/10599462/7432 




From rowen at uw.edu  Thu Oct 25 18:15:53 2012
From: rowen at uw.edu (Russell E. Owen)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:15:53 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Checkbutton indicatoron ignored on Mac
Message-ID: <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012@news.gmane.org>

I just realized that the Checkbutton option "indicatoron" is being 
ignored on Mac OS X: the checkbox is always shown, even if indicatoron 
is false.

I'm using ActiveState's Tcl/Tk 8.5.11, specifically: 
ActiveTcl8.5.11.1.295590-macosx10.5-i386-x86_64-threaded

Has anyone else noticed this, and is there a workaround? It ruins the 
appearance of a lot of my application.

I see that ActiveState now has version 8.5.12 available and I'll give 
that a try. Anyone know how reliable that is on Mac OS X? I've seen 
warnings of bugs, but I don't know if they were fixed in time for that 
release.

-- Russell


From nad at acm.org  Thu Oct 25 23:40:16 2012
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:40:16 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Checkbutton indicatoron ignored on Mac
References: <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <nad-DB7C40.14401625102012@news.gmane.org>

In article <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012 at news.gmane.org>,
 "Russell E. Owen" <rowen at uw.edu> wrote:

> I just realized that the Checkbutton option "indicatoron" is being 
> ignored on Mac OS X: the checkbox is always shown, even if indicatoron 
> is false.
> 
> I'm using ActiveState's Tcl/Tk 8.5.11, specifically: 
> ActiveTcl8.5.11.1.295590-macosx10.5-i386-x86_64-threaded
> 
> Has anyone else noticed this, and is there a workaround? It ruins the 
> appearance of a lot of my application.
> 
> I see that ActiveState now has version 8.5.12 available and I'll give 
> that a try. Anyone know how reliable that is on Mac OS X? I've seen 
> warnings of bugs, but I don't know if they were fixed in time for that 
> release.

Specifically with regard to using ActiveTcl 8.5.x with Python on OS X, 
there are some bugs fixed in 8.5.12.0 and 8.5.12.1; however there are at 
least two serious regressions that exist in 8.5.12.1.  One is a Tk crash 
when attempting to open IDLE's Preferences menu: there is now a patch 
for all current versions of IDLE that works around the problem.  Second 
is a Tk crash when using the clipboard copy command.  That problem 
apparently has been fixed in the top-of-trunk of Cocoa Tk 8.5 (which was 
formerly a separate branch but has now been merged into the main Tk 8.5 
support branch) subsequent to the release of ActiveTk 8.5.12.1.  If 
either of these problems might affect your use, I would recommend 
staying with ActiveTcl 8.5.11.1 for the time being.

http://www.python.org/download/mac/tcltk/

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From kw at codebykevin.com  Fri Oct 26 00:53:28 2012
From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:53:28 -0400
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Checkbutton indicatoron ignored on Mac
In-Reply-To: <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012@news.gmane.org>
References: <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <5089C2E8.6060307@codebykevin.com>

On 10/25/12 12:15 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:
> I just realized that the Checkbutton option "indicatoron" is being
> ignored on Mac OS X: the checkbox is always shown, even if indicatoron
> is false.

Can you post a script sample that illustrates the problem?

-- 
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com

From rowen at uw.edu  Mon Oct 29 21:39:27 2012
From: rowen at uw.edu (Russell E. Owen)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:39:27 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Checkbutton indicatoron ignored on Mac
References: <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012@news.gmane.org>
	<5089C2E8.6060307@codebykevin.com>
Message-ID: <rowen-6AA5F3.13392729102012@news.gmane.org>

In article <5089C2E8.6060307 at codebykevin.com>,
 Kevin Walzer <kw at codebykevin.com> wrote:

> On 10/25/12 12:15 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:
> > I just realized that the Checkbutton option "indicatoron" is being
> > ignored on Mac OS X: the checkbox is always shown, even if indicatoron
> > is false.
> 
> Can you post a script sample that illustrates the problem?

import Tkinter
root = Tkinter.Tk()
b = Tkinter.Checkbutton(root, text="Foo", indicatoron=False)
b.pack()

It also shows up in tcl (e.g. paste this into wish):
checkbutton .b -text "Foo" -indicatoron 0
pack .b


Note that I have been unable to avoid the bug. Any checkbutton I make 
with indicatoron false still shows the checkbox. Worse, "width" is 
applied as if it the checkbox was NOT there, so the width is far too 
short in that situation. My code had plenty of examples. It really 
messed up my app, though I've been able to work around the worst cases 
by changing the GUI to stop using indicatoron=False.

I'm not sure when this first showed up. Until recently I only ever 
released 32-bit versions, which use ActiveState 8.4.19 and don't show 
the problem.

-- Russell

P.S. While we're on MacOS X bugs, here's another which I also reported 
to the Tcl/Tk project: the width of tk_menubutton is wrong on MacOS X 
(too narrow by several characters). Here's tcl code for that:

tk_optionMenu .om omVar DC1 DC2 DC3
.om configure -width 3 # -indicatoron 0
pack .om

I use wrapper classes for most Tcl/Tk widgets, including OptionMenu, so 
my workaround for this is to simply add 3 to width if a user specifies 
width on MacOS X.


From rowen at uw.edu  Mon Oct 29 21:40:20 2012
From: rowen at uw.edu (Russell E. Owen)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:40:20 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Checkbutton indicatoron ignored on Mac
References: <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012@news.gmane.org>
	<nad-DB7C40.14401625102012@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <rowen-9D9A5A.13402029102012@news.gmane.org>

In article <nad-DB7C40.14401625102012 at news.gmane.org>,
 Ned Deily <nad at acm.org> wrote:

> In article <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012 at news.gmane.org>,
>  "Russell E. Owen" <rowen at uw.edu> wrote:
> 
> > I just realized that the Checkbutton option "indicatoron" is being 
> > ignored on Mac OS X: the checkbox is always shown, even if indicatoron 
> > is false.
> > 
> > I'm using ActiveState's Tcl/Tk 8.5.11, specifically: 
> > ActiveTcl8.5.11.1.295590-macosx10.5-i386-x86_64-threaded
> > 
> > Has anyone else noticed this, and is there a workaround? It ruins the 
> > appearance of a lot of my application.
> > 
> > I see that ActiveState now has version 8.5.12 available and I'll give 
> > that a try. Anyone know how reliable that is on Mac OS X? I've seen 
> > warnings of bugs, but I don't know if they were fixed in time for that 
> > release.
> 
> Specifically with regard to using ActiveTcl 8.5.x with Python on OS X, 
> there are some bugs fixed in 8.5.12.0 and 8.5.12.1; however there are at 
> least two serious regressions that exist in 8.5.12.1.  One is a Tk crash 
> when attempting to open IDLE's Preferences menu: there is now a patch 
> for all current versions of IDLE that works around the problem.  Second 
> is a Tk crash when using the clipboard copy command.  That problem 
> apparently has been fixed in the top-of-trunk of Cocoa Tk 8.5 (which was 
> formerly a separate branch but has now been merged into the main Tk 8.5 
> support branch) subsequent to the release of ActiveTk 8.5.12.1.  If 
> either of these problems might affect your use, I would recommend 
> staying with ActiveTcl 8.5.11.1 for the time being.
> 
> http://www.python.org/download/mac/tcltk/

Thank you very much! Sounds safest to stick with 8.5.11.1

-- Russell


From kw at codebykevin.com  Tue Oct 30 16:23:15 2012
From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:23:15 -0400
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Checkbutton indicatoron ignored on Mac
In-Reply-To: <rowen-6AA5F3.13392729102012@news.gmane.org>
References: <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012@news.gmane.org>
	<5089C2E8.6060307@codebykevin.com>
	<rowen-6AA5F3.13392729102012@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <508FF0E3.5080000@codebykevin.com>

On 10/29/12 4:39 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:

>
> It also shows up in tcl (e.g. paste this into wish):
> checkbutton .b -text "Foo" -indicatoron 0
> pack .b

I see the difference here between Tk-Cocoa and 8.4/Carbon. Cocoa does 
indeed ignore the -indicatoron flag.  Not sure yet if this is a bug that 
can be fixed or not, but I'll take a closer look at the underlying code.


>
> P.S. While we're on MacOS X bugs, here's another which I also reported
> to the Tcl/Tk project: the width of tk_menubutton is wrong on MacOS X
> (too narrow by several characters). Here's tcl code for that:
>
> tk_optionMenu .om omVar DC1 DC2 DC3
> .om configure -width 3 # -indicatoron 0
> pack .om

I see the clipping here, but that can be avoided by adding -fill both 
-expand yes to the config flags when the menu button is packed. This is 
probably a function of how Cocoa handles metrics and it may not be 
something that can be fixed, but I'll see what I can find.

--Kevin


-- 
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com

From rowen at uw.edu  Tue Oct 30 21:16:31 2012
From: rowen at uw.edu (Russell E. Owen)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:16:31 -0700
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Checkbutton indicatoron ignored on Mac
References: <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012@news.gmane.org>
	<5089C2E8.6060307@codebykevin.com>
	<rowen-6AA5F3.13392729102012@news.gmane.org>
	<508FF0E3.5080000@codebykevin.com>
Message-ID: <rowen-524475.13163130102012@news.gmane.org>

In article <508FF0E3.5080000 at codebykevin.com>,
 Kevin Walzer <kw at codebykevin.com> wrote:

> On 10/29/12 4:39 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:
> 
> >
> > It also shows up in tcl (e.g. paste this into wish):
> > checkbutton .b -text "Foo" -indicatoron 0
> > pack .b
> 
> I see the difference here between Tk-Cocoa and 8.4/Carbon. Cocoa does 
> indeed ignore the -indicatoron flag.  Not sure yet if this is a bug that 
> can be fixed or not, but I'll take a closer look at the underlying code.

Thank you.

As another, possibly irrelevant datapoint: the themed checkbutton widget 
does not have the indicatoron option. So I figure I'd better get used to 
not using that option, but it's a pity: I find bi-state buttons very 
useful.

> > P.S. While we're on MacOS X bugs, here's another which I also reported
> > to the Tcl/Tk project: the width of tk_menubutton is wrong on MacOS X
> > (too narrow by several characters). Here's tcl code for that:
> >
> > tk_optionMenu .om omVar DC1 DC2 DC3
> > .om configure -width 3 # -indicatoron 0
> > pack .om
> 
> I see the clipping here, but that can be avoided by adding -fill both 
> -expand yes to the config flags when the menu button is packed. This is 
> probably a function of how Cocoa handles metrics and it may not be 
> something that can be fixed, but I'll see what I can find.

I'm not sure I understand; you are talking about the way the menubutton 
is packed inside the tk_optionMenu widget? Is this something I could 
control in Tkinter?

-- Russell


From klappnase at web.de  Wed Oct 31 10:31:44 2012
From: klappnase at web.de (Michael Lange)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:31:44 +0100
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Checkbutton indicatoron ignored on Mac
In-Reply-To: <rowen-524475.13163130102012@news.gmane.org>
References: <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012@news.gmane.org>
	<5089C2E8.6060307@codebykevin.com>
	<rowen-6AA5F3.13392729102012@news.gmane.org>
	<508FF0E3.5080000@codebykevin.com>
	<rowen-524475.13163130102012@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20121031103144.23e9374a.klappnase@web.de>

Hi,

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:16:31 -0700
"Russell E. Owen" <rowen at uw.edu> wrote:

> In article <508FF0E3.5080000 at codebykevin.com>,
>  Kevin Walzer <kw at codebykevin.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 10/29/12 4:39 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > It also shows up in tcl (e.g. paste this into wish):
> > > checkbutton .b -text "Foo" -indicatoron 0
> > > pack .b
> > 
> > I see the difference here between Tk-Cocoa and 8.4/Carbon. Cocoa does 
> > indeed ignore the -indicatoron flag.  Not sure yet if this is a bug
> > that can be fixed or not, but I'll take a closer look at the
> > underlying code.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> As another, possibly irrelevant datapoint: the themed checkbutton
> widget does not have the indicatoron option. So I figure I'd better get
> used to not using that option, but it's a pity: I find bi-state buttons
> very useful.

in ttk you can use style='Toolbutton' instead, see
http://wiki.tcl.tk/17899

Regards

Michael

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From kw at codebykevin.com  Wed Oct 31 16:15:25 2012
From: kw at codebykevin.com (Kevin Walzer)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:15:25 -0400
Subject: [Tkinter-discuss] Checkbutton indicatoron ignored on Mac
In-Reply-To: <rowen-524475.13163130102012@news.gmane.org>
References: <rowen-2AB42F.09155025102012@news.gmane.org>
	<5089C2E8.6060307@codebykevin.com>
	<rowen-6AA5F3.13392729102012@news.gmane.org>
	<508FF0E3.5080000@codebykevin.com>
	<rowen-524475.13163130102012@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <5091408D.8010704@codebykevin.com>

On 10/30/12 4:16 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:
> In article <508FF0E3.5080000 at codebykevin.com>,
>   Kevin Walzer <kw at codebykevin.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/29/12 4:39 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It also shows up in tcl (e.g. paste this into wish):
>>> checkbutton .b -text "Foo" -indicatoron 0
>>> pack .b
>>
>> I see the difference here between Tk-Cocoa and 8.4/Carbon. Cocoa does
>> indeed ignore the -indicatoron flag.  Not sure yet if this is a bug that
>> can be fixed or not, but I'll take a closer look at the underlying code.
>
> Thank you.

After looking at the code that implements the checkbutton, it appears 
that, internally, it is mapped to a specific Cocoa button style 
(NSSwitchButton) that does not allow us to turn off the checkmark. I 
suppose we'll have to add this to the list of Tk configuration flags 
that are ignored in certain contexts when Mac-native widgets are used 
(background, relief, etc.).

>>> P.S. While we're on MacOS X bugs, here's another which I also reported
>>> to the Tcl/Tk project: the width of tk_menubutton is wrong on MacOS X
>>> (too narrow by several characters). Here's tcl code for that:
>>>
>>> tk_optionMenu .om omVar DC1 DC2 DC3
>>> .om configure -width 3 # -indicatoron 0
>>> pack .om
>>
>> I see the clipping here, but that can be avoided by adding -fill both
>> -expand yes to the config flags when the menu button is packed. This is
>> probably a function of how Cocoa handles metrics and it may not be
>> something that can be fixed, but I'll see what I can find.
>
> I'm not sure I understand; you are talking about the way the menubutton
> is packed inside the tk_optionMenu widget? Is this something I could
> control in Tkinter?
>

om.pack(fill='both', expand='yes')

--Kevin