From kent at kyerphoto.com Thu Oct 6 16:52:17 2011 From: kent at kyerphoto.com (Kyer Castlewood Portrait Arts) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:52:17 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambytes not working Message-ID: <381201cc8437$8b3bedd0$6801a8c0@FRONTSALESROOM> My version of Spambytes has lost it ability to add new e-mails to the Spam list. I am running Version 1.0.4 of Spambytes in Outlook 2003 on a Windows 2000 platform. Can any one help. Kent Beyond your Expectations Kent Gerken 10952 S. Pikes Peak Dr. Parker, CO 80138 kent at kyerphoto.com Website www.kyerphoto.com Facebook http://www.facebook.com/KyerCastlewoodPortraits You Tube http://www.youtube.com/user/KGerken tel: mobile: 303-841-4729 720-312-4019 Want to always have my latest info? Want a signature like this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From BCash at guesswho.com Tue Oct 11 16:12:39 2011 From: BCash at guesswho.com (BCash at guesswho.com) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:12:39 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] junk suspects Message-ID: <2AA600764E54964491083B1E0EC81A30A1D624A434@EXCLUS.nationala-1advertising.com> We recently installed spambayes 1.1a6 on an XP Pro machine running Outlook 2010 for the owner of my company. I have started to get complaints from him that when he looks in his "junk suspects" folder there is mail there from someone on our domain with the company email. When he right clicks the email and tries to mark this as "Not Junk" the following error appears: "The e-mail address for this sender is internal to your organization and cannot be added to the list" Do you have any suggestions on how to rectify this issue. I have very limited access to this machine so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I have tried to google the issue but have not found anything helpful Thank You Brent Cash bcash at guesswho.com National A-1 Advertising 215-418-2700 Helpdesk ext. 1355 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amedee at vangasse.eu Wed Oct 12 00:24:42 2011 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:24:42 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] junk suspects In-Reply-To: <2AA600764E54964491083B1E0EC81A30A1D624A434@EXCLUS.nationala-1advertising.com> References: <2AA600764E54964491083B1E0EC81A30A1D624A434@EXCLUS.nationala-1advertising.com> Message-ID: <5f31f3a2872a1c38f61630e5290b4655.squirrel@amedee.be> On Tue, October 11, 2011 16:12, BCash at guesswho.com wrote: > We recently installed spambayes 1.1a6 on an XP Pro machine running Outlook > 2010 for the owner of my company. I have started to get complaints from > him that when he looks in his "junk suspects" folder there is mail there > from someone on our domain with the company email. When he right clicks > the email and tries to mark this as "Not Junk" the following error > appears: > > "The e-mail address for this sender is internal to your organization and > cannot be added to the list" > > Do you have any suggestions on how to rectify this issue. I have very > limited access to this machine so any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. I have tried to google the issue but have not found anything > helpful It seems that your copy of Google is broken, because if I search for exactly that error message, I found out that this particular message does not come from SpaBayes but from Outlook. When your copy of Google works again, you can verify this with the following query: www.google.com/search?q=The+e-mail+address+for+this+sender+is+internal+to+your+organization+and+cannot+be+added+to+the+list It will also show you how you can disable Outlook's built-in spam filter. Kind regards, Amedee Van gasse From amedee at vangasse.eu Wed Oct 12 00:19:31 2011 From: amedee at vangasse.eu (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 00:19:31 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I delete program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d8976c409a9c3d1b137e0ededeb3235.squirrel@amedee.be> On Sun, October 9, 2011 00:34, Ken Meyer wrote: > Requirement of Confidentiality: > This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the > meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its > disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of > this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged > material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone > other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the > confidential or privileged nature of the communication. In accordance with > U.S. Treasury regulations, if this message contains advice concerning one > or > more Federal tax issues, it is not a formal legal opinion and may not be > used by any person for the avoidance of Federal tax penalties. Any review > or > distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the > intended > recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete > all > copies of this communication. You sent this disclaimer to a public mailing list. Your email is now in hundreds of mailboxes (most of which are not your intended receipient), and it is copied all over the web in public archives, all of which are out of the control of the SpamBayes devs. Have a nice day! -- Amedee From jcea at jcea.es Sun Oct 16 17:09:59 2011 From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:09:59 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] overtraining and retraining Message-ID: <4E9AF3C7.4090502@jcea.es> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am a happy Spambayes user for years, and I always see the same pattern: the system works worderfully, and you keep training it with the false positives/negatives. So good so far. After a while the detection rate goes worse, slowly. And training get slower (the probability change after a training cycle moves far slower). My usual approach would to delete the database and retrain again. But this implies a period (a week or two) of mediocre results, even training with "recent" spam. I was thinking about something like going over the database and reduce all counters to 50%, instead of simply starting fresh over. What do you do?. I am using 1.1a4, a bit modded (custom database, etc), should I upgrade to 1.1a6?. I am using SB as a library in my own personal antispam project, not acting as a proxy. PS: My spam threhold is 90%. Maybe i should move it down?. In fact my ranges are ham <20%, 20%90%. Are they reasonable?. My "bayescustomize.ini" is: """ [Storage] persistent_use_database:pickle cache_messages:True no_cache_bulk_ham:True [Classifier] x-experimental_ham_spam_imbalance_adjustment:True [Hammie] [Tokenizer] #mine_received_headers:True #train_on_filter:True [pop3proxy] listen_ports:110 remote_servers:127.0.0.1:111 """ - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQCVAwUBTprzx5lgi5GaxT1NAQLDLgQAhUqUPGh8Y4mKG7CHwNdFc4302oD6PsGm tGESozQ1YWYX1fDglCKhmOXdodNL1ovd3e70or8SGAjDrrtRlXOZhhIMaJbkoFTx SstPlSUm3VmYp8zDw5S0uaaDksl2xErxvwKiRYeC59q4RSUr7cAkfDnL+aWhuabc ZiIGe00csBc= =XQJ6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jcea at jcea.es Sun Oct 16 17:30:36 2011 From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:30:36 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] overtraining and retraining In-Reply-To: <4E9AF3C7.4090502@jcea.es> References: <4E9AF3C7.4090502@jcea.es> Message-ID: <4E9AF89C.1040902@jcea.es> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 16/10/11 17:09, Jesus Cea wrote: > After a while the detection rate goes worse, slowly. And training > get slower (the probability change after a training cycle moves far > slower). One point stressed frequently is that the number of ham/spams trained should be similar. In my case I am not doing that. My current database numbers are: HAM: 150 SPAM: 27919 The counters are so unbalanced because: 1. I only train misclasifications and "unsures". The fact is that misclassifications are rare (thanks!) and >99% of "unsures" are spam. 2. When I train over a message, I keep training in a loop until the message probability goes under 20% (ham) or over 90% (spam). As the database ages, training spam needs more "looping", that is, the probability goes up slowly. The ham training, nevertheless, is fast and the loop counting is low. Suggestions? - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQCVAwUBTpr4nJlgi5GaxT1NAQKTiAP+MfyHr2cY7i64dNSex+6OmSgmVNwXPNwk 3mpMC3if3HNNj0RgsZxZA5PjqMn07KISgZ7vVLXuLYmS3WNq2tUqM2nLevaa6g3N YTrOCbUWmfnvAfg9KiU0YebMn4SLHOeqNJEZyCd6Pbz6lclH4aQuOdKUSdg4F8rB AsCH0LE8wVE= =vy3L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jcea at jcea.es Sun Oct 16 17:47:54 2011 From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:47:54 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] overtraining and retraining In-Reply-To: <4E9AF89C.1040902@jcea.es> References: <4E9AF3C7.4090502@jcea.es> <4E9AF89C.1040902@jcea.es> Message-ID: <4E9AFCAA.2080406@jcea.es> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 16/10/11 17:30, Jesus Cea wrote: > 2. When I train over a message, I keep training in a loop until > the message probability goes under 20% (ham) or over 90% (spam). As > the database ages, training spam needs more "looping", that is, > the probability goes up slowly. The ham training, nevertheless, is > fast and the loop counting is low. Uhm, the wiki says: "never train the same message twice". Reason?. I am breaking this badly. - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQCVAwUBTpr8qplgi5GaxT1NAQIZrQP+I+nuZsB2TqpFUMaxq8aDvQgqSEF8XLnb ycbCFOaWFdBqTdnoiFK3Vm79fLKWL+xc5BzyuKK6LtxcBhyIj70v8TBQSj4SruKF SHXIcMEAG19YQy6NwLQnhAefv4Gh73iGeCjGymutJsv5Lgmu6Vfg3hubadbKcvva caHl2QAo3/U= =r/0f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jcea at jcea.es Sun Oct 16 18:13:51 2011 From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:13:51 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] overtraining and retraining In-Reply-To: <4E9AFCAA.2080406@jcea.es> References: <4E9AF3C7.4090502@jcea.es> <4E9AF89C.1040902@jcea.es> <4E9AFCAA.2080406@jcea.es> Message-ID: <4E9B02BF.3000208@jcea.es> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 16/10/11 17:47, Jesus Cea wrote: > On 16/10/11 17:30, Jesus Cea wrote: >> 2. When I train over a message, I keep training in a loop until >> the message probability goes under 20% (ham) or over 90% (spam). >> As the database ages, training spam needs more "looping", that >> is, the probability goes up slowly. The ham training, >> nevertheless, is fast and the loop counting is low. > > Uhm, the wiki says: "never train the same message twice". Reason?. > I am breaking this badly. Maybe relevant to "no train twice on the same email" and the ham/spam counts imbalance: - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQCVAwUBTpsCv5lgi5GaxT1NAQJowAP/VFphe8V/y+SXViQIe/LOP5lGaeZS5MUC oiD+bkqrhDud5q+del8YSb8EYqnTnhzq+EKrxaNmMc5QqnqSEJYPWD4Z9BZOlumi tCRhJ8UBCrFOSl4zLPmQFns+ZHDBxQhTHsuG5CpvZ7ZDjPE30vSdvyAbuK0ZqQ4C v6QsWSquPoc= =N8Nm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From skip at pobox.com Sun Oct 16 18:45:29 2011 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:45:29 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] overtraining and retraining In-Reply-To: <4E9AFCAA.2080406@jcea.es> References: <4E9AF3C7.4090502@jcea.es> <4E9AF89C.1040902@jcea.es> <4E9AFCAA.2080406@jcea.es> Message-ID: <20123.2601.607622.920100@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> 2. When I train over a message, I keep training in a loop until the >> message probability goes under 20% (ham) or over 90% (spam). As the >> database ages, training spam needs more "looping", that is, the >> probability goes up slowly. The ham training, nevertheless, is fast >> and the loop counting is low. Jesus> Uhm, the wiki says: "never train the same message Jesus> twice". Reason?. I am breaking this badly. Jesus, I use train to exhaustion as referenced in your other email (contrib/tte.py in the SpamBayes distribution). I currently have 21 hams and 17 spams in my current training database. I suggest you just toss out everything but the most recent 10-15 hams and spams then start with that. I cheat as well, since both my pobox.com mail forwarding service and Gmail (where it forwards to) apply their own spam filters before SpamBayes gets a crack at my mail. The downside of that is that I need to scan their held spams periodically. Skip From jcea at jcea.es Mon Oct 17 16:01:14 2011 From: jcea at jcea.es (Jesus Cea) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:01:14 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] overtraining and retraining In-Reply-To: <20123.2601.607622.920100@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <4E9AF3C7.4090502@jcea.es> <4E9AF89C.1040902@jcea.es> <4E9AFCAA.2080406@jcea.es> <20123.2601.607622.920100@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <4E9C352A.6080201@jcea.es> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 16/10/11 18:45, skip at pobox.com wrote: > >>> 2. When I train over a message, I keep training in a loop until >>> the message probability goes under 20% (ham) or over 90% >>> (spam). As the database ages, training spam needs more >>> "looping", that is, the probability goes up slowly. The ham >>> training, nevertheless, is fast and the loop counting is low. > > Jesus> Uhm, the wiki says: "never train the same message Jesus> > twice". Reason?. I am breaking this badly. > > Jesus, > > I use train to exhaustion as referenced in your other email > (contrib/tte.py in the SpamBayes distribution). I currently have > 21 hams and 17 spams in my current training database. I suggest > you just toss out everything but the most recent 10-15 hams and > spams then start with that. > > I cheat as well, since both my pobox.com mail forwarding service > and Gmail (where it forwards to) apply their own spam filters > before SpamBayes gets a crack at my mail. The downside of that is > that I need to scan their held spams periodically. Thanks for your reply, Skip, but you don't address any of my concerns :-): 1. Do not train with the same message twice, 2. Keep spam/ham balanced, 3. Is normal that "training" can slowly degrade the quality?, and if so, what people do about it (beside deleting the DB and retrain again with recent samples). I think that 1&2 are related to the bayes asumption about independent samples. But the code is abusing bayes so badly that breaking this condition is actually irrelevant in our context :-). BTW, what are the changes between 1.1a4 (my version) and 1.1a6?. I can't find an updated CHANGELOG... - -- Jesus Cea Avion _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ jcea at jcea.es - http://www.jcea.es/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ jabber / xmpp:jcea at jabber.org _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ . _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "Things are not so easy" _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "My name is Dump, Core Dump" _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ "El amor es poner tu felicidad en la felicidad de otro" - Leibniz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQCVAwUBTpw1Kplgi5GaxT1NAQLlbQP/RxagFrvQcmWpz54cku6GR2KLkZByS54E 1ArPp92RlarYEaB0fUhn1D8JBbIOgwPHT65sE1p94mh18D7NxIVsJdUW4Ay9ZnR7 62CttlHFBMynv7xJGSzZ8d4OECwIqSobNqUYZgRLEwdKOvT/uak1t3DXW2o8xpRD swfOemBzEtI= =98ok -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marybeth at performancetestinglabs.com Mon Oct 17 18:10:32 2011 From: marybeth at performancetestinglabs.com (Mary Beth Proctor) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:10:32 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] installation Message-ID: <3SMkzx4BJczPW7@mail.python.org> I just want to re-install spambayes on my computer. I had to disable it due to some Outlook error messages but would like to get it back and I don't know how. Can you send me the installation link? Thanks! Mary Beth Proctor, Office Manager Performance Testing Laboratories, LLC 12855 Midway Place Cerritos, CA 90703 P: 562-623-4727 F: 562-623-4761 E: marybeth at performancetestinglabs.com This information is intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and contains confidential material. Delivery of this message to any person(s) other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of, or taking any action because of this information by entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you receive this message in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: