From vanhorn at whidbey.com Sun Jun 1 21:29:01 2008 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:29:01 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] One message that will not die! Message-ID: <4842F87D.7030101@whidbey.com> Every Sunday I get one, sometimes two, messages purportedly from "International_Real_Estate_Auction_020 at yahoogroups.com", but I can't unsubscribe because it's being sent to an address that I don't send from and never have had a YahooGroups membership for. Because it includes the header "Precedence: bulk" it never shows up in the review, but I carefully copy the source and paste it into the "Train as Spam" box each week. The SB headers don't ever seem to change, the probability is always "0.00 (3)". (No, I haven't saved all of them, but that seems to be what's there every time.) I suppose I could setup an e-mail account that will send from this address, assuming it really is from YahooGroups. But why won't SpamBayes learn from all my attempts at training? Since the very early days of the project the filter has been great at learning how to treat new patterns, I've never before seen no change at all. I'm not keeping stats, but I definitely have manually trained on this at least a couple of dozen times. Is there any hope for getting SB to spike this for me? Van Note: I am still using 1.1a3 as a proxy on a Linux box. Source code of the message: >From - Sun Jun 01 11:10:50 2008 X-Account-Key: account1 X-UIDL: fc02dae0d0ac410357530f560187ec0d X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Mozilla-Keys: Return-path: Envelope-to: twisted at whidbey.com Delivery-date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:03:49 -0700 Received: from [66.163.168.136] (helo=n42a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) by smtp3.whidbey.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K2ruC-00054W-3g for twisted at whidbey.com; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:03:49 -0700 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=o0wDCtzicB4LEBErwyXmxhMI6BW6+gZ1BhL7tEDBolB/i6MNWwuEtJUV+5ebYP8pOdNSCx3HjyDi7D3k5JmRuuSOgjekkTkyVZGY9kZUsHLmCLwerdr6lQXxqzGzsBiq; Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 18:03:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 18:03:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.114] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2008 18:03:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 10479533-m189 Received: (qmail 6672 invoked by uid 7800); 1 Jun 2008 18:03:37 -0000 Message-ID: <1212343417.38916677.9014.m46 at yahoogroups.com> X-eGroups-Application: files From: International_Real_Estate_Auction_020 at yahoogroups.com To: International_Real_Estate_Auction_020 at yahoogroups.com Sender: International_Real_Estate_Auction_020 at yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list International_Real_Estate_Auction_020 at yahoogroups.com; contact International_Real_Estate_Auction_020-owner at yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list International_Real_Estate_Auction_020 at yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 1 Jun 2008 18:03:37 -0000 Subject: [International_Real_Estate_Auction_020] File - Updated Properties List Reply-To: International_Real_Estate_Auction_020 at yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-ff-m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="vNN77EdPipGPExeQIt0Wz3NWxzzcCQ9PVgFqV4u" X-WNSpam-Score: 3.7 X-WNSpam-Int: 37 X-Spambayes-Classification: ham X-Spambayes-Spam-Probability: 0.00 (3) X-Spambayes-MailId: 1212330324-2 --vNN77EdPipGPExeQIt0Wz3NWxzzcCQ9PVgFqV4u Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit International Real Estate Auction, Bids start at $100 Updated Properties List http://geocities.com/MitziNikita830583 This list is updated every day! please bookmark it. If the link does not work, copy it into your web browser address bar. Best Regards Jaime --vNN77EdPipGPExeQIt0Wz3NWxzzcCQ9PVgFqV4u Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


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URL: From legando_soft at skyhorse.com.ua Thu Jun 5 12:27:55 2008 From: legando_soft at skyhorse.com.ua (legando_soft at skyhorse.com.ua) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:27:55 +0300 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.0.4 for MS Outlook Message-ID: <4847BFAB.40208@skyhorse.com.ua> Dear Vendor Anthony The editors "Sky Horse", LCC is planning to release a collected set of best free software for PC, PDA (pocket PC), smartphones and cellphones. Our computer software analysts has estimated your program SpamBayes 1.0.4 for MS Outlook high We offer you the position in our collected set for the version of your free software. We give the detailed description of this program (in coordination with you), screenshot, the NAME OF THE COMPANY or THE AUTHOR (which is obligatory) and HYPERLINK to your site, in its absence ? e-mail address. This allows you to have free advertising of your product and increase your site visiting statistics. Please confirm 1. Your consent to positioning in our collected set your CD and DVD programs SpamBayes 1.0.4 for MS Outlook 2. The accuracy of the data: developer?s name, site address and e-mail. If there is no description on your site or you consider that it?s not an ample description, then we ask you to send us the author?s description, but no more than one size A4 page. CONFIRMATION AUTHOR (a team of authors) Anthony agree with the positioning of my (our) program SpamBayes 1.0.4 for MS Outlook in the collected set, made by editors "Sky Horse", LCC. Author?s site address http://spambayes.sourceforge.net Program?s description (if necessary) ________________________________ If you agree, please check your data and send your confirmation back to us at this e-mail legando_soft at skyhorse.com.ua About ?Sky Horse?, LCC The editors "Sky Horse", LCC is game and software developer for PC, PDA (pocket PC) and the author of best (according to our analysis) collected sets of freeware and shareware software and games for PC, PDA (pocket PC), smartphones and cellphones. The retail price of our collected sets is no more than 4,5$, so they are affordable to broad audience of students and pupils of Russia and Ukraine. This price includes the cost of the carrier and the printing, and also the work on the collected set, shell program, design of this shell program and the polygraphy. We DO NOT SELL the software, we distribute the best free and shareware software and ADVERTISE the authors of it. "Sky Horse", LCC is the editors, so we do not replicate the disks. That is why we cannot send free disk to each author ? because one collected set may content some hundreds programs. But if you want this disk, we can send it to you at editor?s prime cost plus consignment price. Project site http://www.legando.ru Best regards Editor-in-Chief Elena Nasyrova From vhfdsf at earthlink.net Thu Jun 5 13:02:41 2008 From: vhfdsf at earthlink.net (Fayad, David and Jen) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 07:02:41 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] What do I do now? Message-ID: <9A6C9D612C184AF0945C953279A5919C@David> I received this error report and the thing won't train... 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 470, in found_terminator File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 396, in onReview File "spambayes\Corpus.pyc", line 214, in takeMessage File "spambayes\FileCorpus.pyc", line 140, in addMessage File "spambayes\Corpus.pyc", line 134, in addMessage File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 617, in onAddMessage File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 625, in train File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 273, in learn File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 384, in _add_msg File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 304, in _wordinfoset File "shelve.pyc", line 130, in __setitem__ File "bsddb\__init__.pyc", line 120, in __setitem__ DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amedee at amedee.be Thu Jun 5 13:35:02 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:35:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.0.4 for MS Outlook In-Reply-To: <4847BFAB.40208@skyhorse.com.ua> References: <4847BFAB.40208@skyhorse.com.ua> Message-ID: <17826.193.121.250.194.1212665702.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> Are these guys for real? Haven't they heard of Free Software in Russia or Ukraine? All the info they ask is on the site... On Thu, June 5, 2008 12:27, legando_soft at skyhorse.com.ua wrote: > Dear Vendor Anthony > > > > The editors "Sky Horse", LCC is planning to release a collected set of > best free software for PC, PDA (pocket PC), smartphones and cellphones. > Our computer software analysts has estimated your program SpamBayes > 1.0.4 for MS Outlook high > > > > We offer you the position in our collected set for the version of your > free software. We give the detailed description of this program (in > coordination with you), screenshot, the NAME OF THE COMPANY or THE > AUTHOR (which is obligatory) and HYPERLINK to your site, in its absence > ??? e-mail address. This allows you to have free advertising of your > product and increase your site visiting statistics. > > > > Please confirm > > > > 1. Your consent to positioning in our collected set your CD and DVD > programs SpamBayes 1.0.4 for MS Outlook > > > > 2. The accuracy of the data: developer???s name, site address and e-mail. > > > > If there is no description on your site or you consider that it???s not an > ample description, then we ask you to send us the author???s description, > but no more than one size A4 page. > > > > CONFIRMATION > > > > AUTHOR (a team of authors) Anthony agree with the positioning of my > (our) program SpamBayes 1.0.4 for MS Outlook in the collected set, > made by editors "Sky Horse", LCC. > > Author???s site address http://spambayes.sourceforge.net > > Program???s description (if necessary) ________________________________ > > > > If you agree, please check your data and send your confirmation back to > us at this e-mail > > legando_soft at skyhorse.com.ua > > > > About ???Sky Horse???, LCC > > > > The editors "Sky Horse", LCC is game and software developer for PC, PDA > (pocket PC) and the author of best (according to our analysis) collected > sets of freeware and shareware software and games for PC, PDA (pocket > PC), smartphones and cellphones. > > > > The retail price of our collected sets is no more than 4,5$, so they are > affordable to broad audience of students and pupils of Russia and > Ukraine. This price includes the cost of the carrier and the printing, > and also the work on the collected set, shell program, design of this > shell program and the polygraphy. We DO NOT SELL the software, we > distribute the best free and shareware software and ADVERTISE the > authors of it. > > > > "Sky Horse", LCC is the editors, so we do not replicate the disks. That > is why we cannot send free disk to each author ??? because one collected > set may content some hundreds programs. But if you want this disk, we > can send it to you at editor???s prime cost plus consignment price. > > > > Project site http://www.legando.ru > > > > Best regards > > > > Editor-in-Chief > > Elena Nasyrova > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be Disclaimer: By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it on usenet. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message. From info at thegrantinstitute.com Sat Jun 7 06:45:54 2008 From: info at thegrantinstitute.com (Anthony Jones) Date: 06 Jun 2008 21:45:54 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Professional Grant Proposal Writing Workshop (August 2008: Ann Arbor, Michigan - University of Phoenix Campus) Message-ID: <20080606214554.A5FE224FCD6512E8@thegrantinstitute.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at pobox.com Sat Jun 7 13:12:44 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 06:12:44 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambayes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18506.27948.100566.21048@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Eric> I sent the following request for help a while back I got one reply Eric> telling me to make sure my DEP was turned of, but i didn't get a Eric> response to "what is my DEP" question I think someone else mentioned what DEP is, but I don't recall, and this is sitting in my mailbox awaiting reply. In case you haven't already found it, here's a URL that shows you how to disable it: http://www.zensoftware.co.uk/kb/article.aspx?id=10002 -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.webfast.com/~skip/ "Be different, express yourself like everyone else." From david at davidstrahan.com Tue Jun 10 13:39:38 2008 From: david at davidstrahan.com (David Strahan) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:39:38 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes has stopped working. Message-ID: <20080610113944.89EDCF0FBE@mx1.athnic.net> Dear SpamBayes, I've been a happy user of SpamBayes for well over a year now, but just in the last two days the programme has stopped working. The Delete as Spam and the SpamBayes buttons still appear in my Outlook window, but neither works any more. The 'Recover from Spam' button no longer appears in the Junk or Junk Suspects windows. I have downloaded 1.0.4 again and reinstalled, but still the problem remains. At the same time, emails have started appearing in my inbox with [SPAM] at the beginning of the subject bar. I don't know if this is something to do with Outlook or my server. Anyhow, I really want my SpamBayes back! Any ideas? Thanks David David Strahan Writer, producer, director T: +44 (0)20 7431 4929 M: +44 (0)7958 602 115 www.davidstrahan.com www.lastoilshock.com www.odac-info.org Now in mass market paperback Praise for The Last Oil Shock: "This book should be compulsory reading for all those in Government in this and every other significant oil consuming country. Take note and avert the greatest crisis since the Second World War." Richard Hardman CBE, former head of Exploration, Amerada Hess, and former president of the Geological Society "What they didn't want you to know: oil's dirty little secret..." Lloyd's List "A well written exposition of the peak oil case" Ed Crooks, Energy Editor, Financial Times "Strahan makes a strong case for an imminent world oil supply shortage. His important and easily-read book is the first I've seen which presents the vital technical data accurately and intelligibly." 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URL: From annmstevens at iprimus.com.au Mon Jun 16 06:29:51 2008 From: annmstevens at iprimus.com.au (Ann Stevens) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:29:51 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <001d01c8cf69$aa9757e0$6601a8c0@annspc> Hello there, For the last week, whenever I open Microsoft Outlook I get a message that there is a prolem with the Spam Bayes Configuration and I should select SpamBayes Manager and run the configuration wizard to reconfigure the filter. When I tried to follow the instructions I got to the part \Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\SpamBayes\{outlook-profile-name}.ini. but discovered that when I got as far as Application Data I couldn't go any further, as SpamBayes wasn't even mentioned, so I decided to delete it completely and then reinstall it, but I'm still getting the same message and don't know what to do. I am using Windows XP but don't know what version SpamBayes. WIth most programs if you go to the "About" section it gives you this information, but I've been there and couldn't find it anywhere. Here is what I found in the log file: Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Ann\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Ann\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 2203 spam and 931 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) starting (with engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004)) on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 2) using Python 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Personal Folders/Junk E-mail' NOTE: Skipping deleted folder Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None) The above toolbar message is common - recreating the toolbar... Error finding the MAPI folders for a folder switch event ERROR: 'There appears to be a problem with the SpamBayes configuration\r\n\r\nPlease select the SpamBayes manager, and run the\r\nConfiguration Wizard to reconfigure the filter.' Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 1098, in OnFolderSwitch File "msgstore.pyc", line 348, in GetFolder C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules\msgstore.py:126: FutureWarning: %u/%o/%x/%X of negative int will return a signed string in Python 2.4 and up NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a ERROR: 'There appears to be a problem with the SpamBayes configuration\r\n\r\nPlease select the SpamBayes manager, and run the\r\nConfiguration Wizard to reconfigure the filter.' Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 1098, in OnFolderSwitch File "msgstore.pyc", line 348, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 1098, in OnFolderSwitch File "msgstore.pyc", line 348, in GetFolder NotFoundException: NotFoundException: Exception 0x8004010a (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED): OLE error 0x8004010a SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook SpamBayes has processed zero messages Addin terminating: 2 COM client and 2 COM servers exist. Please tell me what I should do. Regards, Ann Stevens, annmstevens at iprimus.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From motykoppes at cox.net Tue Jun 17 01:57:24 2008 From: motykoppes at cox.net (Moty Koppes) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:57:24 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Important Notice, Your Nationwide Online Account. Message-ID: <000001c8d00c$b9515800$0402a8c0@Moty> Dear Sir, I am truly disappointed to find the email I sent you regarding my problems with your software under my name in Google. Don't you have client confidentiality in mind? I want for you to Google my name: Moty Koppes and ask Google to remove the email I have sent to your company long time ago. If you do not remove it, I will be taking legal action. Warmest regards, Moty Koppes, MA., PCC Personal / Professional Development Coach W: www.coachmoty.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.peters at gmail.com Tue Jun 17 06:51:58 2008 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:51:58 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Important Notice, Your Nationwide Online Account. In-Reply-To: <000001c8d00c$b9515800$0402a8c0@Moty> References: <000001c8d00c$b9515800$0402a8c0@Moty> Message-ID: <1f7befae0806162151o38bdb8ana9cf2d6a34092ccd@mail.gmail.com> [Moty Koppes] > I am truly disappointed to find the email I sent you regarding my problems > with your software under my name in Google. Sorry, but as it says at the top of: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html There are currently five mailing lists of interest. All lists are public, and all are publicly archived. This is normal practice for open-source projects, and you should be aware that all email sent to one of these addresses will be visible to the world Likewise at the top of the SpamBayes mailing-list page: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived. > Don't you have client confidentiaity in mind? Actually no -- because the SpamBayes project has no clients in the sense you have in mind. All work is done by unpaid volunteers, who freely share their work. Nobody asked you for money when you obtained the software, neither when you asked for help. With no revenue, the only way it's possible to offer support /at all/ is via these public mailing lists, where all the software's developers and users can volunteer their help, whenever they're so inclined and can make spare time for that. > I want for you to Google my name: Moty Koppes and ask Google to remove the > email I have sent to your company long time ago. > > If you do not remove it, I will be taking legal action. While I expect that will prove to be a waste of your time, I agree it's better than taking illegal action ;-) From Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com Tue Jun 17 12:35:08 2008 From: Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com (OConchubhair, Andoni) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:35:08 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Important Notice, Your Nationwide Online Account. Message-ID: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D0B5@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> Hello Tim et al., Please copy the list with any response received from Google so that we may all know their policy. This can then be forwarded to people who have the same request in future. Andoni. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Tim Peters Sent: 17 June 2008 05:52 To: Moty Koppes Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Important Notice, Your Nationwide Online Account. [Moty Koppes] > I am truly disappointed to find the email I sent you regarding my problems > with your software under my name in Google. Sorry, but as it says at the top of: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html There are currently five mailing lists of interest. All lists are public, and all are publicly archived. This is normal practice for open-source projects, and you should be aware that all email sent to one of these addresses will be visible to the world Likewise at the top of the SpamBayes mailing-list page: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived. > Don't you have client confidentiaity in mind? Actually no -- because the SpamBayes project has no clients in the sense you have in mind. All work is done by unpaid volunteers, who freely share their work. Nobody asked you for money when you obtained the software, neither when you asked for help. With no revenue, the only way it's possible to offer support /at all/ is via these public mailing lists, where all the software's developers and users can volunteer their help, whenever they're so inclined and can make spare time for that. > I want for you to Google my name: Moty Koppes and ask Google to remove the > email I have sent to your company long time ago. > > If you do not remove it, I will be taking legal action. While I expect that will prove to be a waste of your time, I agree it's better than taking illegal action ;-) _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amedee at amedee.be Tue Jun 17 15:01:41 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (amedee at amedee.be) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:01:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Mailinglist public archive policy In-Reply-To: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D0B5@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> References: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D0B5@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> Message-ID: <41436.193.121.250.194.1213707701.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> > Hello Tim et al., > > Please copy the list with any response received from Google so that we may > all know their policy. This can then be forwarded to people who have the > same request in future. > > Andoni. > > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] > On > Behalf Of Tim Peters > Sent: 17 June 2008 05:52 > To: Moty Koppes > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Important Notice, Your Nationwide Online Account. > > [Moty Koppes] >> I am truly disappointed to find the email I sent you regarding my >> problems >> with your software under my name in Google. > > Sorry, but as it says at the top of: > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html > > There are currently five mailing lists of interest. All lists are > public, and all are > publicly archived. This is normal practice for open-source projects, > and > you > should be aware that all email sent to one of these addresses will > be visible > to the world > > Likewise at the top of the SpamBayes mailing-list page: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > > Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent > to this list > are visible to the public, and are publicly archived. > > >> Don't you have client confidentiaity in mind? > > Actually no -- because the SpamBayes project has no clients in the > sense you have in mind. All work is done by unpaid volunteers, who > freely share their work. Nobody asked you for money when you obtained > the software, neither when you asked for help. With no revenue, the > only way it's possible to offer support /at all/ is via these public > mailing lists, where all the software's developers and users can > volunteer their help, whenever they're so inclined and can make spare > time for that. > >> I want for you to Google my name: Moty Koppes and ask Google to remove >> the >> email I have sent to your company long time ago. >> >> If you do not remove it, I will be taking legal action. > > While I expect that will prove to be a waste of your time, I agree > it's better than taking illegal action ;-) It may be interesting to read the Public Forum Archive Policy of the Apache Foundation: http://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html In response to: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/commons-user/200704.mbox/%3C25aac9fc0704100527r652acd61q463b370dd126f6bc at mail.gmail.com%3E And I quote: You should also be aware that there are many public archives of the Apache mailing lists that will contain a copy of your original e-mail. Apache has no control over these archives. unquote. Same goes for the Spambayes/Python public mailing lists. -- Amedee From camelot at directcon.net Thu Jun 19 05:14:39 2008 From: camelot at directcon.net (Catherine Arlett) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:14:39 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Help, Please Message-ID: <000001c8d1ba$9c3dd7c0$6601a8c0@CamelotOne> Well, here I am, a dues-paying member of the Spam-Bayes Gang, and I can't get the darned program to install. I'm running Outlook 2003 on an HP Pavilion desktop running Windows XP. I downloaded your program (on Kim Komando's good advice, thank you), and I have an application file version 104.x. When I first installed it, it seemed to kick into gear, setting up a nifty spam folder, reading my junk mail and diverting it, and generally behaving. The only exceptions were that I never saw a toolbar or, for that matter, an icon anywhere on my desktop or in the Start menu. I could live with that, because it seemed to be working. I think it was working for two or three days. (I shut down my entire system at night, and reboot each morning.) About three days ago, I got a message telling me there had been a problem that only I could correct by reconfiguring the program. And that's where the grief began. I have tried all the hints and clues and suggestions - and I am baffled!. I have tried several reinstalls, and there is one notable issue: I don't see the install wizard, and I know that something requiring 8.3 mb doesn't unfold itself in no more than the blink of an eye. What's happening, and what do I need to do next? I'm a cranky old broad of only moderate techie-nerdiness, and I'm frustrated! Catherine Arlett, Camelot Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty. It's our world! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Mark From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Arlett Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2008 1:15 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Help, Please Well, here I am, a dues-paying member of the Spam-Bayes Gang, and I can't get the darned program to install. I'm running Outlook 2003 on an HP Pavilion desktop running Windows XP. I downloaded your program (on Kim Komando's good advice, thank you), and I have an application file version 104.x. When I first installed it, it seemed to kick into gear, setting up a nifty spam folder, reading my junk mail and diverting it, and generally behaving. The only exceptions were that I never saw a toolbar or, for that matter, an icon anywhere on my desktop or in the Start menu. I could live with that, because it seemed to be working. I think it was working for two or three days. (I shut down my entire system at night, and reboot each morning.) About three days ago, I got a message telling me there had been a problem that only I could correct by reconfiguring the program. And that's where the grief began. I have tried all the hints and clues and suggestions - and I am baffled!. I have tried several reinstalls, and there is one notable issue: I don't see the install wizard, and I know that something requiring 8.3 mb doesn't unfold itself in no more than the blink of an eye. What's happening, and what do I need to do next? I'm a cranky old broad of only moderate techie-nerdiness, and I'm frustrated! Catherine Arlett, Camelot Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty. It's our world! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From imfrmars at hotmail.com Thu Jun 19 18:15:42 2008 From: imfrmars at hotmail.com (Jo) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:15:42 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Can you please help? Message-ID: I have been using spambayes for awhile but lately when I click on delete as spam or not spam, the email doesn't move, I have to drag it to the folder I want. I tried uninstalling spambayes, cleaning out all folders etc and restarted my computer and reinstalled but that didn't fix it. Any ideas? Thanks :) Jo _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From esj at harvee.org Fri Jun 20 04:05:14 2008 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:05:14 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] stand alone filter. Message-ID: I've been working with crm114 as a content filter for the past few years and lately it has delivered disappointing results. I'd like to see if my test sets and training methods fail in the same way with another content filter. Are there any pointers to creating a standalone analyzer with spambayes? thanks --- eric From esj at harvee.org Fri Jun 20 06:19:36 2008 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:19:36 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] stand alone filter. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric S. Johansson wrote: > I've been working with crm114 as a content filter for the past few years > and lately it has delivered disappointing results. I'd like to see if my > test sets and training methods fail in the same way with another content > filter. Are there any pointers to creating a standalone analyzer with > spambayes? nevermind. I'll write up a change to the faq for this question. the info is there but not visible from the question list. From jennifer_arnold at verizon.net Fri Jun 20 17:22:43 2008 From: jennifer_arnold at verizon.net (Jennifer Arnold) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:22:43 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] No "Recover from Spam" button Message-ID: <20080620152933.A655B1E4003@bag.python.org> I cannot find where to get the above mentioned button to put on my toolbar. Please help. Jennifer Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skip at pobox.com Sat Jun 21 13:48:39 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:48:39 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] stand alone filter. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18524.60055.115122.940994@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Eric> I've been working with crm114 as a content filter for the past few Eric> years and lately it has delivered disappointing results. I'd like Eric> to see if my test sets and training methods fail in the same way Eric> with another content filter. Are there any pointers to creating a Eric> standalone analyzer with spambayes? I'm not sure what you mean by "standalone analyzer". There are a pair of Unix filters, sb_filter.py and sb_bnfilter.py which take a message in and either score it against an existing training database or train it as ham or spam. There are also tools to help you test SpamBayes itself by break up a training set into multiple pieces for regression testing (train on n-1 groups, score the nth group). -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.webfast.com/~skip/ "Be different, express yourself like everyone else." From pventresca at esiqual.com Sat Jun 21 15:10:06 2008 From: pventresca at esiqual.com (Phil Ventresca) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:10:06 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Junk Mail Message-ID: <009a01c8d3a0$2023e2f0$6501a8c0@ESIQual.local> Does SpamBayes replace Outlook's Junk Mail Filter? How do I disable Outlook's Junk Mail Filter, if SpamBayes is a replacement? Phil Phil Ventresca ESI Qual 968 Washington St. Stoughton, MA 02072 PH: 781-344-6344 FX: 781-341-3978 E: pventresca at esiqual.com www.esiqual.com Notice: This e-mail is a confidential communication intended only to be reviewed by the above-listed addressee (s). It may contain information which is confidential, trademarked, copyrighted and/or proprietary. The information contained herein may constitute protected work product and/or be governed by the attorney-client privilege. Any legal privilege or work product protection is not waived because you have opened and/or read this email communication in error. Please notify the sender immediately if you are not the intended recipient and delete this e-mail. If you received this email erroneously, please note that you are prohibited from using, copying or distributing the contents of this email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From pventresca at esiqual.com Sat Jun 21 17:46:23 2008 From: pventresca at esiqual.com (Phil Ventresca) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:46:23 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Junk Mail In-Reply-To: <1998.81.82.2.91.1214062796.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> References: <009a01c8d3a0$2023e2f0$6501a8c0@ESIQual.local> <1998.81.82.2.91.1214062796.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> Message-ID: <00ce01c8d3b5$f54e9b90$6501a8c0@ESIQual.local> Thanks for getting back to me. Phil Phil Ventresca ESI Qual 968 Washington St. Stoughton, MA 02072 PH: 781-344-6344 FX: 781-341-3978 E: pventresca at esiqual.com www.esiqual.com Notice: This e-mail is a confidential communication intended only to be reviewed by the above-listed addressee (s). It may contain information which is confidential, trademarked, copyrighted and/or proprietary. The information contained herein may constitute protected work product and/or be governed by the attorney-client privilege. Any legal privilege or work product protection is not waived because you have opened and/or read this email communication in error. Please notify the sender immediately if you are not the intended recipient and delete this e-mail. If you received this email erroneously, please note that you are prohibited from using, copying or distributing the contents of this email. -----Original Message----- From: amedee at amedee.be [mailto:amedee at amedee.be] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:40 To: Phil Ventresca Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Junk Mail > Does SpamBayes replace Outlook's Junk Mail Filter? No. > How do I disable Outlook's Junk Mail Filter, if SpamBayes is a > replacement? Since the answer to the first question was no, logically the second question doesn't need to be answered any more? From dws at pandora.be Fri Jun 20 10:28:44 2008 From: dws at pandora.be (Unknown) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:28:44 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Freya & Felix are proud parents ! Message-ID: <20080620100803.02532516.dws@pandora.be> (Mailing List Information, including unsubscription instructions, is located at the end of this message.) __ Newsletter ? ? ? ? ? ? FREYA X FELIX 13/6/2008 We welcome 4 en 3 in our world Freya is doing such a wonderfull job with them! Check the website as more pictures will follow ! ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? www.vurehof.be Vurehof Sharpei's Vossemberg 54 B-3080 Tervueren-Vossem 0032 (0)476 27 56 27 ? ? -- The following information is a reminder of your current mailing list subscription: You are subscribed to the following list: Unknown Using the following email: spambayes at python.org You may automatically unsubscribe from this list at any time by visiting the following URL: If the above URL is inoperable, make sure that you have copied the entire address. 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Johansson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:48:43 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] stand alone filter. In-Reply-To: <18524.60055.115122.940994@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <18524.60055.115122.940994@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: skip at pobox.com wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean by "standalone analyzer". self contained module not dependent on any configuration files. > There are a pair of > Unix filters, sb_filter.py and sb_bnfilter.py which take a message in and > either score it against an existing training database or train it as ham or > spam. There are also tools to help you test SpamBayes itself by break up a > training set into multiple pieces for regression testing (train on n-1 > groups, score the nth group). so far the interfaces in hammy.py are proving sufficient. I'm using the dbm classifier. which reminds me. any protections against simultaneous access i.e. using hammy.py in multiple processes with the same features file? ---eric From rojo.editor at verizon.net Sun Jun 22 16:46:38 2008 From: rojo.editor at verizon.net (Joel Rosenthal) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:46:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Spambayes] Freya & Felix are proud parents ! Message-ID: <3099682.1220331214145998538.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Why on Earth would you send this message to the Spambayes list? On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Unknown wrote: (Mailing List Information, including unsubscription instructions, is located at the end of this message.) FREYA X FELIX 13/6/2008 We welcome 4 en 3 in our world Freya is doing such a wonderfull job with them! 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In-Reply-To: <3099682.1220331214145998538.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> References: <3099682.1220331214145998538.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <56279.81.82.2.91.1214146668.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> > > Why on Earth would you send this message to the Spambayes list? Perhaps to confuse our spamfilters? Anyway, they live some 60km from me so perhaps I'll visit them some day to see the new puppies... :-) > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Unknown wrote: > > (Mailing List Information, including unsubscription instructions, is > located at the end of this message.) > FREYA X FELIX > > 13/6/2008 > > We welcome 4 en 3 in our world > Freya is doing such a wonderfull job with them! > > > Check the website as more pictures will follow ! > > www.vurehof.be > > Vurehof Sharpei's > Vossemberg 54 > B-3080 Tervueren-Vossem > 0032 (0)476 27 56 27 > The following information is a reminder of your current mailing > list subscription: > You are subscribed to the following list: > Unknown > Using the following email: > spambayes at python.org > You may automatically unsubscribe from this list at any time by > visiting the following URL: > http://www.carenzi.be/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/u/unknown/ > > > If the above URL is inoperable, make sure that you have copied the > entire address. Some mail readers will wrap a long URL and thus break > this automatic unsubscribe mechanism. > > You may also change your subscription by visiting this list's main > screen: > http://www.carenzi.be/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi/list/unknown > > > If you're still having trouble, please contact the list owner at: > > dws at pandora.be > The following physical address is associated with this mailing list: > > dws at pandora.be > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org ? > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > ? > > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > ? > > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > ? > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From skip at pobox.com Sun Jun 22 22:26:36 2008 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:26:36 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] stand alone filter. In-Reply-To: References: <18524.60055.115122.940994@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: <18526.46460.78133.118609@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Eric> so far the interfaces in hammy.py are proving sufficient. I'm Eric> using the dbm classifier. which reminds me. any protections Eric> against simultaneous access i.e. using hammy.py in multiple Eric> processes with the same features file? There is no protection there, but it should be easy to add something similar to the recent changes I made to lock pickle file access using my lockfile module. Those changes may only be available by checking out the source from Subversion. I'm not sure we have a 1.1 alpha release cut yet with them. Skip From esj at harvee.org Mon Jun 23 06:24:02 2008 From: esj at harvee.org (Eric S. Johansson) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:24:02 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] stand alone filter. In-Reply-To: <18526.46460.78133.118609@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> References: <18524.60055.115122.940994@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> <18526.46460.78133.118609@montanaro-dyndns-org.local> Message-ID: skip at pobox.com wrote: > Eric> so far the interfaces in hammy.py are proving sufficient. I'm > Eric> using the dbm classifier. which reminds me. any protections > Eric> against simultaneous access i.e. using hammy.py in multiple > Eric> processes with the same features file? > > There is no protection there, but it should be easy to add something similar > to the recent changes I made to lock pickle file access using my lockfile > module. Those changes may only be available by checking out the source from > Subversion. I'm not sure we have a 1.1 alpha release cut yet with them. okay. I put my own locks around it. Shared for score checking and exclusive for training. So far, I am impressed. My test cases produce charts that looked very similar to yours. It's trained up reasonably well in a few hours with relatively small numbers of messages and a few ah-my-hem bugs making training fail. :-) will see what it looks like in the morning. Also, it'll be interesting see what happens if I overtrain (i.e. train every message that's wrong). Worse comes to worse, I can retrain from scratch using the five-day history. I was serious about needing some volunteer help with Thunderbird extensions for my project. I don't know why they make the environment so bloody miserable to work with. Layers upon layers of complexity. One would think they're trying to make a career out of Thunderbird and Firefox. Anyway, my extension only needs to grab a header from the current message, extract a field and do an Ajax style call back to my server. oh yes, and move the current message to the designated "forget me" box. Not real hard in any other environment but Thunderbird has me running away. Oh well, someday. ---eric From louise at wdet.co.uk Tue Jun 24 10:33:43 2008 From: louise at wdet.co.uk (Louise McAllister) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:33:43 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes freeze Message-ID: <200806240833.AJW67797@c2beaomr08.btconnect.com> Hi, My Spambayes has always worked fine until yesterday. It has stopped moving spam into the junk folder and when I click on the manager there is no response. I have uninstalled the program and re-installed it but the same thing happens- or doesn't happen. Please let me know how to fix it. Regards, Louise McAllister Environmental Regeneration Officer The Environment Trust Strathleven House, Vale of Leven Industrial Estate, Dumbarton, G82 3PD Tel : 01389 757959 Fax : 01389 757946 creating partnerships - improving the environment www.environmenttrust.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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C:\DOCUME~1\PEGGYL~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\SpamBayesServer1.log Peggy Little JB Goodwin Realtors www.realtoraustin.com 512-970-7349 Fax 512-418-0350 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com Tue Jun 24 21:33:32 2008 From: dale at BriannasSaladDressing.com (Dale Schroeder) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:33:32 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy:making the spam push over to the right folder In-Reply-To: <034901c8d615$1c075900$6701a8c0@Peggy> References: <034901c8d615$1c075900$6701a8c0@Peggy> Message-ID: <48614C0C.6010406@BriannasSaladDressing.com> Peggy, You probably still need to create the rules that filter the mail in OE. IIRC, OE puts the classification in the subject line, so you'll have to use the "subject line" option. See ==> http://www.webterrace.com/outlook/filter.htm Dale Peggy Little wrote: > I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) (binary), > with version 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit > (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service > Pack 2). I have trained 108 ham and 472 spam. > > The problem I am having is spam and unsure are still only showing up > in my inbox. I'm running Outlook express and have set up folders but I > feel like a key step has been missed. Spambayes is recognizing spam > but is not telling it where to go. When I click on the Header in my > email I cannot add a new column and I think this is a problem. > Thank you for your help. > > C:\DOCUME~1\PEGGYL~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\SpamBayesServer1.log > > Peggy Little > JB Goodwin Realtors > www.realtoraustin.com > 512-970-7349 > Fax 512-418-0350 > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1516 - Release Date: 6/24/2008 7:53 AM > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many thanks Carrie [Spambayes] config - Carrie Deutsch - org.python.spambayes - MarkMailCarrie Deutsch Mobile: +61 (0)438 003 037 Landline: +61 (0)3 94896037 Mail: 29 Urquhart St Northcote, 3070 email: carriedeutsch at yahoo.com.au ... markmail.org/message/qaxypzdr4fujk2tn - 7k - Cached - Similar pages From amedee at amedee.be Sat Jun 28 16:13:24 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:13:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59166.81.82.2.91.1214662404.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Fri, June 27, 2008 07:09, Carrie Deutsch wrote: > Dear Spambayes, I sent you a query (which was never answered, and when I > googled myself, this is what I got - ie all my personal details. Please > delete all my details from your system. > > Many thanks > > Carrie > > > [Spambayes] config - Carrie Deutsch - org.python.spambayes - > MarkMailCarrie > Deutsch Mobile: +61 (0)438 003 037 Landline: +61 (0)3 94896037 Mail: 29 > Urquhart St Northcote, 3070 email: carriedeutsch at yahoo.com.au ... > markmail.org/message/qaxypzdr4fujk2tn - 7k - Cached - Similar pages Hello Carrie, I am not Spambayes, I'm just a Spambayes user like you and like everybody else on this public mailing list. Nobody really "owns" Spambayes like the old software companies from the previous century did, it's community project driven by the people who use it. When you send an email to a public mailing list, everybody on the list can read your message. This is clearly documented on the subscription page. If you don't understand what "public mailing list" means, please ask what you do not understand. Most of the times a public mailing list is relayed to a dozen of other mailing list archiving systems like Google or Yahoo or countless others. So if there is something that you do not want to see on the 'net, don't put it there yourself in the first place! It's like Pandora's box: once you open it, there is no way you can get everything that escaped back inside. Please always be responsible when you write something. Speaking about responsible, writing a subject in ALL CAPS is against netiquette, in other words: it is very, *very* rude. Perhaps you didn't know that. Concerning your original question: it won't hurt to ask again. Perhaps you didn't give enough information about your problem the first time. Perhaps your mail just wasn't interesting enough to answer. Perhaps the answer to your question is in plain sight in the documentation. Or perhaps you *did* get an answer, but for some unknown reason you didn't see that answer. So my advice would be: ask again, and ask what was wrong or incomplete in your previous question. Kind regards, Amedee Van Gasse PS: please reply to the list so that all may benefit. From martinr at acd.net Sat Jun 28 22:33:06 2008 From: martinr at acd.net (Rick & Barb Martin) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:33:06 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambayes Message-ID: <000001c8d95e$2c16e3f0$8444abd0$@net> I downloaded spambayes and the add in will not load. I have read the troubleshooting guide. I am using Outlook 2007 on Vista. Outlook will not allow me to engage spambayes. I check the proper box and click okay - nothing. When I open the COM addins section again, spambayes is not checked or enabled. Can you help? Rick Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annmstevens at iprimus.com.au Mon Jun 30 02:33:19 2008 From: annmstevens at iprimus.com.au (Ann Stevens) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:33:19 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration Message-ID: <002501c8da48$eff5e830$6601a8c0@annspc> I am using Windows XP and Microsoft Outlook 2003. I don't know how to find out what version of Spambayes I am using, as I've read through most of the File headed SpamBayes Anti Spam Classifier and the trouble shooting file but I haven't been able to find any record of what version it is. Every time I open Microsoft Outlook it comes up with a message telling me there has been an error, and that I have to go to SpamBayes Manager and run the Configuration file. I've read all the notes on this, but am still none the wiser and I cannot work out how to do this. I don't really know whether it is working properly or not but it is still putting messages in the Junk Box etc. so is probably OK, so how do I stop the message coming up every time I open Microsoft Outlook? Regards, Ann Stevens, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amedee at amedee.be Mon Jun 30 11:54:03 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:54:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62279.193.121.250.194.1214819643.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Mon, June 30, 2008 03:53, Carrie Deutsch wrote: > Sorry about failing netiquette. > > I had no idea it was a public email I was sending. There was no indication > of that when I first sent the email, I thought I was emailing the people > concerned, and I was pretty annoyed, as I had obviously given them my > contact details not knowing they would be attached to some form that would > go public. > > I guess there is nothing I can do now, and my contact details I see got > attached to the email that I had no idea was public as it was in my > signature. > > I don't think it is good that an email address on a website should lead to > a > public list if you don't know that it will > > Thanks for your response > > Carrie I'm sorry to tell you that it is clearly stated on the website: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html There are currently five mailing lists of interest. All lists are public, and all are publicly archived. This is normal practice for open-source projects, and you should be aware that all email sent to one of these addresses will be visible to the world From Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com Mon Jun 30 13:16:46 2008 From: Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com (OConchubhair, Andoni) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:16:46 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT Message-ID: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D139@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> -----Original Message----- From: OConchubhair, Andoni Sent: 30 June 2008 11:55 To: 'spambayes-dev at python.org' Cc: Carrie Deutsch; 'Amedee Van Gasse' Subject: RE: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT Hi, Mail Chain moved from Spambayes User list. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2008-June/021978.html Though I would usually agree with this, now that I have spent a few months on this list I find that the number of people to whom this causes serious distress is significant. The warning IS there when you sign up but I imagine that I didn't read it and I can therefore see how many others might not have either. Good software practice involves checking with users when a decision they have made is going to have a serious impact: "Do you want to save the changes before exiting: Yes/No/Cancel" being the obvious example. To that end, I suggest that someone who knows how might add a confirmation checkbox and popup window to the sentence: "Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived." The point would be that you can click on a link to pop up a box which explains the public nature of this list. There would also be a check-box which you have to check to acknowledge that you understand, before it will allow you to click the "Subscribe" button at the bottom of the page. A bit like the "Terms & Conditions" check-boxes in many corporate download sites. Thanks, Andoni OConchubhair -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse Sent: 30 June 2008 10:54 To: Carrie Deutsch Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT On Mon, June 30, 2008 03:53, Carrie Deutsch wrote: > Sorry about failing netiquette. > > I had no idea it was a public email I was sending. There was no indication > of that when I first sent the email, I thought I was emailing the people > concerned, and I was pretty annoyed, as I had obviously given them my > contact details not knowing they would be attached to some form that would > go public. > > I guess there is nothing I can do now, and my contact details I see got > attached to the email that I had no idea was public as it was in my > signature. > > I don't think it is good that an email address on a website should lead to > a > public list if you don't know that it will > > Thanks for your response > > Carrie I'm sorry to tell you that it is clearly stated on the website: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html There are currently five mailing lists of interest. All lists are public, and all are publicly archived. This is normal practice for open-source projects, and you should be aware that all email sent to one of these addresses will be visible to the world _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csjrswofford at bellsouth.net Mon Jun 30 14:27:02 2008 From: csjrswofford at bellsouth.net (Carl) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:27:02 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERYIMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D139@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> Message-ID: <028801c8daac$9a049200$6101a8c0@carlsw> With all due respect, there is nothing private about the internet to begin with. Don't put anything in an email or in a post on a website that you would not like to read in the newspaper. Except for secure servers and scrambling, the internet is not private and was not intended to be. When I joined the Spambayes email list, the warning notification was there, in plain sight, and I read it. Those to whom this has caused serious distress either (1) failed to take the time to read the warning; (2) are uniformed regarding internet security and privacy; (3) are careless with their internet security or any combination of the preceding. The distress is self inflicted and not the responsibility of Spambayes. Carl Swofford Florida State Captain Patriot Guard Riders CarlS at patriotguard.org 386-793-0030 Riding in loving memory of CW2 Justin S. Swofford -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of OConchubhair, Andoni Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:17 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERYIMPORTANT -----Original Message----- From: OConchubhair, Andoni Sent: 30 June 2008 11:55 To: 'spambayes-dev at python.org' Cc: Carrie Deutsch; 'Amedee Van Gasse' Subject: RE: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT Hi, Mail Chain moved from Spambayes User list. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2008-June/021978.html Though I would usually agree with this, now that I have spent a few months on this list I find that the number of people to whom this causes serious distress is significant. The warning IS there when you sign up but I imagine that I didn't read it and I can therefore see how many others might not have either. Good software practice involves checking with users when a decision they have made is going to have a serious impact: "Do you want to save the changes before exiting: Yes/No/Cancel" being the obvious example. To that end, I suggest that someone who knows how might add a confirmation checkbox and popup window to the sentence: "Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived." The point would be that you can click on a link to pop up a box which explains the public nature of this list. There would also be a check-box which you have to check to acknowledge that you understand, before it will allow you to click the "Subscribe" button at the bottom of the page. A bit like the "Terms & Conditions" check-boxes in many corporate download sites. Thanks, Andoni OConchubhair -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse Sent: 30 June 2008 10:54 To: Carrie Deutsch Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT On Mon, June 30, 2008 03:53, Carrie Deutsch wrote: > Sorry about failing netiquette. > > I had no idea it was a public email I was sending. There was no indication > of that when I first sent the email, I thought I was emailing the people > concerned, and I was pretty annoyed, as I had obviously given them my > contact details not knowing they would be attached to some form that would > go public. > > I guess there is nothing I can do now, and my contact details I see got > attached to the email that I had no idea was public as it was in my > signature. > > I don't think it is good that an email address on a website should lead to > a > public list if you don't know that it will > > Thanks for your response > > Carrie I'm sorry to tell you that it is clearly stated on the website: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html There are currently five mailing lists of interest. All lists are public, and all are publicly archived. This is normal practice for open-source projects, and you should be aware that all email sent to one of these addresses will be visible to the world _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com Mon Jun 30 14:28:15 2008 From: Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com (OConchubhair, Andoni) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:28:15 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT Message-ID: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2633BFA@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> I agree completely. The distress is self-inflicted. Just like when I close Microsoft Word accidentally after spending a whole day typing my report and thereby loose an entire day's work, but I don't because it reminds my tired head to click 'Save'. Fortunately for me, software can easily be written to help with human situations. It is one of the over-riding principals of good software development that software should be written to suit the human condition rather than the humans having to change the way they are to accommodate the software (or any machine for that matter) hence we have safety guards on chain-saws and air-bags in cars. Regards, Andoni OConchubhair _____ From: Carl [mailto:csjrswofford at bellsouth.net] Sent: 30 June 2008 13:27 To: OConchubhair, Andoni; spambayes at python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERYIMPORTANT With all due respect, there is nothing private about the internet to begin with. Don't put anything in an email or in a post on a website that you would not like to read in the newspaper. Except for secure servers and scrambling, the internet is not private and was not intended to be. When I joined the Spambayes email list, the warning notification was there, in plain sight, and I read it. Those to whom this has caused serious distress either (1) failed to take the time to read the warning; (2) are uniformed regarding internet security and privacy; (3) are careless with their internet security or any combination of the preceding. The distress is self inflicted and not the responsibility of Spambayes. Carl Swofford Florida State Captain Patriot Guard Riders CarlS at patriotguard.org 386-793-0030 Riding in loving memory of CW2 Justin S. Swofford -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of OConchubhair, Andoni Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:17 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERYIMPORTANT -----Original Message----- From: OConchubhair, Andoni Sent: 30 June 2008 11:55 To: 'spambayes-dev at python.org' Cc: Carrie Deutsch; 'Amedee Van Gasse' Subject: RE: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT Hi, Mail Chain moved from Spambayes User list. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2008-June/021978.html Though I would usually agree with this, now that I have spent a few months on this list I find that the number of people to whom this causes serious distress is significant. The warning IS there when you sign up but I imagine that I didn't read it and I can therefore see how many others might not have either. Good software practice involves checking with users when a decision they have made is going to have a serious impact: "Do you want to save the changes before exiting: Yes/No/Cancel" being the obvious example. To that end, I suggest that someone who knows how might add a confirmation checkbox and popup window to the sentence: "Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived." The point would be that you can click on a link to pop up a box which explains the public nature of this list. There would also be a check-box which you have to check to acknowledge that you understand, before it will allow you to click the "Subscribe" button at the bottom of the page. A bit like the "Terms & Conditions" check-boxes in many corporate download sites. Thanks, Andoni OConchubhair -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org ] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse Sent: 30 June 2008 10:54 To: Carrie Deutsch Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT On Mon, June 30, 2008 03:53, Carrie Deutsch wrote: > Sorry about failing netiquette. > > I had no idea it was a public email I was sending. There was no indication > of that when I first sent the email, I thought I was emailing the people > concerned, and I was pretty annoyed, as I had obviously given them my > contact details not knowing they would be attached to some form that would > go public. > > I guess there is nothing I can do now, and my contact details I see got > attached to the email that I had no idea was public as it was in my > signature. > > I don't think it is good that an email address on a website should lead to > a > public list if you don't know that it will > > Thanks for your response > > Carrie I'm sorry to tell you that it is clearly stated on the website: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html There are currently five mailing lists of interest. All lists are public, and all are publicly archived. This is normal practice for open-source projects, and you should be aware that all email sent to one of these addresses will be visible to the world _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amedee at amedee.be Mon Jun 30 14:41:20 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT Message-ID: <53699.193.121.250.194.1214829680.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Mon, June 30, 2008 14:28, OConchubhair, Andoni wrote: > I agree completely. The distress is self-inflicted. Just like when I close > Microsoft Word accidentally after spending a whole day typing my report > and > thereby loose an entire day's work, but I don't because it reminds my > tired > head to click 'Save'. > > Fortunately for me, software can easily be written to help with human > situations. It is one of the over-riding principals of good software > development that software should be written to suit the human condition > rather than the humans having to change the way they are to accommodate > the > software (or any machine for that matter) hence we have safety guards on > chain-saws and air-bags in cars. I'm confused about which software should be changed. Spambayes? I use the procmail filter at home and the outlook plugin at work, and neither provide a method for subscribing to the spambayes mailing list. However you do have one valid point of criticism. The Outlook package provides a link to a local html page: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SpamBayes/docs/outlook/docs/troubleshooting.html#mail There I read the following text: -----CUT----- Send a mail If all else fails, you may want to send someone a mail. Please make sure you have read this document thoroughly before doing do. Your mail should be sent to the SpamBayes mailing list (spambayes at python.org). Please do not mail any of the contributors directly! (see "good karma" below). Please ensure this mail contains: the version of Windows you are using, the version of SpamBayes, any log files. If you also mention that you read this trouble-shooting guide and are still stuck, then you will be more likely to get answered! (And if you can subscribe to this mailing list and help answer other questions, and good karma will come your way!) -----CUT----- There is no mention about the fact that the mailing list is public on the local documentation page. So I would rather agree if someone would call this a "bug" in the documentation. This should be changed as soon as possible. I'm going to subscribe to the dev-list to request this. However on the website, near every occurrence I could find of the mailing list address, it is mentioned that it is a public mailing list. So there I would respectfully disagree with you if you say that the website should be changed. (correct me if I'm wrong) -- Amedee From Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com Mon Jun 30 14:52:53 2008 From: Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com (OConchubhair, Andoni) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:52:53 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT Message-ID: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2633BFB@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> The application that needs to be changed is not SpamBayes but rather the page where I fill in my email address in order to join the mailing list. On that page it has one simple sentence to let the user know that what they are going to do will disseminate information to the entire internet irretrievably. It is IMHO just not enough. "Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived." -----Original Message----- From: Amedee Van Gasse [mailto:amedee at amedee.be] Sent: 30 June 2008 13:41 To: OConchubhair, Andoni Cc: spambayes at python.org; spambayes-dev at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT On Mon, June 30, 2008 14:28, OConchubhair, Andoni wrote: > I agree completely. The distress is self-inflicted. Just like when I close > Microsoft Word accidentally after spending a whole day typing my report > and > thereby loose an entire day's work, but I don't because it reminds my > tired > head to click 'Save'. > > Fortunately for me, software can easily be written to help with human > situations. It is one of the over-riding principals of good software > development that software should be written to suit the human condition > rather than the humans having to change the way they are to accommodate > the > software (or any machine for that matter) hence we have safety guards on > chain-saws and air-bags in cars. I'm confused about which software should be changed. Spambayes? I use the procmail filter at home and the outlook plugin at work, and neither provide a method for subscribing to the spambayes mailing list. However you do have one valid point of criticism. The Outlook package provides a link to a local html page: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SpamBayes/docs/outlook/docs/troubleshooting.html# mail There I read the following text: -----CUT----- Send a mail If all else fails, you may want to send someone a mail. Please make sure you have read this document thoroughly before doing do. Your mail should be sent to the SpamBayes mailing list (spambayes at python.org). Please do not mail any of the contributors directly! (see "good karma" below). Please ensure this mail contains: the version of Windows you are using, the version of SpamBayes, any log files. If you also mention that you read this trouble-shooting guide and are still stuck, then you will be more likely to get answered! (And if you can subscribe to this mailing list and help answer other questions, and good karma will come your way!) -----CUT----- There is no mention about the fact that the mailing list is public on the local documentation page. So I would rather agree if someone would call this a "bug" in the documentation. This should be changed as soon as possible. I'm going to subscribe to the dev-list to request this. However on the website, near every occurrence I could find of the mailing list address, it is mentioned that it is a public mailing list. So there I would respectfully disagree with you if you say that the website should be changed. (correct me if I'm wrong) -- Amedee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amedee at amedee.be Mon Jun 30 15:13:48 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:13:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2633BFB@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> References: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2633BFB@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> Message-ID: <37126.193.121.250.194.1214831628.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Mon, June 30, 2008 14:52, OConchubhair, Andoni wrote: > The application that needs to be changed is not SpamBayes but rather the > page where I fill in my email address in order to join the mailing list. Aha! Finally. A web page. A web page has a coordinate called an URL that uniquely identifies it, so that we are all talking about the same thing. Are you talking about http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes ? > On > that page it has one simple sentence to let the user know that what they > are > going to do will disseminate information to the entire internet > irretrievably. It is IMHO just not enough. > > "Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this > list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived." What is your suggestion, that does not break internet and web standards, and that can be implemented inside the existing Mailman mailing list software version 2.1.10 that is provided to spambayes by python.org? I'm afraid that the good spambayes-devs are actually quite limited in what they can do. What you seem to suggest (a popup?) is afaict technically impossible inside the current mailman framework. (Spambayes-devs, please correct me if I'm wrong) -- Amedee From Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com Mon Jun 30 15:16:59 2008 From: Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com (OConchubhair, Andoni) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:16:59 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO T HIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT Message-ID: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D13D@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> Yes. I did not post anything that I want removed. I understand what a public mailing list is and how it works. I am not writing about me but about the many people who post to this list each month distressed because their information is available to all and sundry on the web. You phrase it in such a way as to make the user sound like a complete idiot and yet the fact that so many people seem to be experiencing this difficulty on a regular basis shows that it does not take any exceptional characteristics to make this simple mistake. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond at skippinet.com.au] Sent: 30 June 2008 14:09 To: OConchubhair, Andoni; 'Amedee Van Gasse' Cc: spambayes at python.org; spambayes-dev at python.org Subject: RE: [spambayes-dev] [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT > The application that needs to be changed is not SpamBayes but > rather the page where I fill in my email address in order to > join the mailing list. On that page it has one simple sentence > to let the user know that what they are going to do will > disseminate information to the entire internet irretrievably. > It is IMHO just not enough. So let me get this straight: You posted to the spambayes mailing list, but it failed to be delivered as you weren't a member of the mailing list. It directed you to a mailing list subscription page, where the second line tells you this is a mailing list that is public to the world. However, after all of that, you still didn't know it was a mailing list? You want a checkbox on the mailing list subscription page that says, basically, "I don't know what a mailing list is, and I haven't read a single word of this page - subscribe me anyway?" Is there something I'm missing? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Amedee Van Gasse [mailto:amedee at amedee.be] Sent: 30 June 2008 13:41 To: OConchubhair, Andoni Cc: spambayes at python.org; spambayes-dev at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT On Mon, June 30, 2008 14:28, OConchubhair, Andoni wrote: > I agree completely. The distress is self-inflicted. Just like when I close > Microsoft Word accidentally after spending a whole day typing my report > and > thereby loose an entire day's work, but I don't because it reminds my > tired > head to click 'Save'. > > Fortunately for me, software can easily be written to help with human > situations. It is one of the over-riding principals of good software > development that software should be written to suit the human condition > rather than the humans having to change the way they are to accommodate > the > software (or any machine for that matter) hence we have safety guards on > chain-saws and air-bags in cars. I'm confused about which software should be changed. Spambayes? I use the procmail filter at home and the outlook plugin at work, and neither provide a method for subscribing to the spambayes mailing list. However you do have one valid point of criticism. The Outlook package provides a link to a local html page: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SpamBayes/docs/outlook/docs/troubleshooting.html# mail There I read the following text: -----CUT----- Send a mail If all else fails, you may want to send someone a mail. Please make sure you have read this document thoroughly before doing do. Your mail should be sent to the SpamBayes mailing list (spambayes at python.org). Please do not mail any of the contributors directly! (see "good karma" below). Please ensure this mail contains: the version of Windows you are using, the version of SpamBayes, any log files. If you also mention that you read this trouble-shooting guide and are still stuck, then you will be more likely to get answered! (And if you can subscribe to this mailing list and help answer other questions, and good karma will come your way!) -----CUT----- There is no mention about the fact that the mailing list is public on the local documentation page. So I would rather agree if someone would call this a "bug" in the documentation. This should be changed as soon as possible. I'm going to subscribe to the dev-list to request this. However on the website, near every occurrence I could find of the mailing list address, it is mentioned that it is a public mailing list. So there I would respectfully disagree with you if you say that the website should be changed. (correct me if I'm wrong) -- Amedee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Mon Jun 30 15:17:28 2008 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:17:28 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2633BFB@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> References: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2633BFB@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> Message-ID: <032101c8dab3$ab94dc80$02be9580$@com.au> I just noticed that the "welcome" email from the list also doesn't make it clear this is a public list. I added the following text as the second paragraph of that message: NOTE: THIS IS A PUBLIC EMAIL LIST. Emails you send to this list will be available publicly and archived on google and many other sites. Once you post to this list it can not be retracted. Do not post personal information to this list. Cheers, Mark From: spambayes-dev-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-dev-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of OConchubhair, Andoni Sent: Monday, 30 June 2008 10:53 PM To: 'Amedee Van Gasse' Cc: spambayes at python.org; spambayes-dev at python.org Subject: Re: [spambayes-dev] [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT The application that needs to be changed is not SpamBayes but rather the page where I fill in my email address in order to join the mailing list. On that page it has one simple sentence to let the user know that what they are going to do will disseminate information to the entire internet irretrievably. It is IMHO just not enough. "Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived." -----Original Message----- From: Amedee Van Gasse [mailto:amedee at amedee.be] Sent: 30 June 2008 13:41 To: OConchubhair, Andoni Cc: spambayes at python.org; spambayes-dev at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT On Mon, June 30, 2008 14:28, OConchubhair, Andoni wrote: > I agree completely. The distress is self-inflicted. Just like when I close > Microsoft Word accidentally after spending a whole day typing my report > and > thereby loose an entire day's work, but I don't because it reminds my > tired > head to click 'Save'. > > Fortunately for me, software can easily be written to help with human > situations. It is one of the over-riding principals of good software > development that software should be written to suit the human condition > rather than the humans having to change the way they are to accommodate > the > software (or any machine for that matter) hence we have safety guards on > chain-saws and air-bags in cars. I'm confused about which software should be changed. Spambayes? I use the procmail filter at home and the outlook plugin at work, and neither provide a method for subscribing to the spambayes mailing list. However you do have one valid point of criticism. The Outlook package provides a link to a local html page: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SpamBayes/docs/outlook/docs/troubleshooting.html# mail There I read the following text: -----CUT----- Send a mail If all else fails, you may want to send someone a mail. Please make sure you have read this document thoroughly before doing do. Your mail should be sent to the SpamBayes mailing list (spambayes at python.org). Please do not mail any of the contributors directly! (see "good karma" below). Please ensure this mail contains: the version of Windows you are using, the version of SpamBayes, any log files. If you also mention that you read this trouble-shooting guide and are still stuck, then you will be more likely to get answered! (And if you can subscribe to this mailing list and help answer other questions, and good karma will come your way!) -----CUT----- There is no mention about the fact that the mailing list is public on the local documentation page. So I would rather agree if someone would call this a "bug" in the documentation. This should be changed as soon as possible. I'm going to subscribe to the dev-list to request this. However on the website, near every occurrence I could find of the mailing list address, it is mentioned that it is a public mailing list. So there I would respectfully disagree with you if you say that the website should be changed. (correct me if I'm wrong) -- Amedee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com Mon Jun 30 15:21:05 2008 From: Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com (OConchubhair, Andoni) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:21:05 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT Message-ID: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D13E@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> Is it impossible to implement a link on this page? It need not pop-up? Is it impossible to implement a check-box that must be ticket in order to click the "Subscribe" button? If these are impossible then that ends the discussion as far as I am concerned. Mark: I think that text will be helpful. Anything that will help a few more users to notice this situation will be good. That said, I think we all know that users often don't ready any of what is written, which is why they are often forced to click tick-boxes etc. to show they have read T&Cs. -----Original Message----- From: Amedee Van Gasse [mailto:amedee at amedee.be] Sent: 30 June 2008 14:14 To: OConchubhair, Andoni Cc: 'Amedee Van Gasse'; spambayes at python.org; spambayes-dev at python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT On Mon, June 30, 2008 14:52, OConchubhair, Andoni wrote: > The application that needs to be changed is not SpamBayes but rather the > page where I fill in my email address in order to join the mailing list. Aha! Finally. A web page. A web page has a coordinate called an URL that uniquely identifies it, so that we are all talking about the same thing. Are you talking about http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes ? > On > that page it has one simple sentence to let the user know that what they > are > going to do will disseminate information to the entire internet > irretrievably. It is IMHO just not enough. > > "Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this > list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived." What is your suggestion, that does not break internet and web standards, and that can be implemented inside the existing Mailman mailing list software version 2.1.10 that is provided to spambayes by python.org? I'm afraid that the good spambayes-devs are actually quite limited in what they can do. What you seem to suggest (a popup?) is afaict technically impossible inside the current mailman framework. (Spambayes-devs, please correct me if I'm wrong) -- Amedee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Mon Jun 30 15:09:04 2008 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:09:04 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2633BFB@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> References: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2633BFB@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> Message-ID: <031d01c8dab2$7f5415b0$7dfc4110$@com.au> > The application that needs to be changed is not SpamBayes but > rather the page where I fill in my email address in order to > join the mailing list. On that page it has one simple sentence > to let the user know that what they are going to do will > disseminate information to the entire internet irretrievably. > It is IMHO just not enough. So let me get this straight: You posted to the spambayes mailing list, but it failed to be delivered as you weren't a member of the mailing list. It directed you to a mailing list subscription page, where the second line tells you this is a mailing list that is public to the world. However, after all of that, you still didn't know it was a mailing list? You want a checkbox on the mailing list subscription page that says, basically, "I don't know what a mailing list is, and I haven't read a single word of this page - subscribe me anyway?" Is there something I'm missing? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Amedee Van Gasse [mailto:amedee at amedee.be] Sent: 30 June 2008 13:41 To: OConchubhair, Andoni Cc: spambayes at python.org; spambayes-dev at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT On Mon, June 30, 2008 14:28, OConchubhair, Andoni wrote: > I agree completely. The distress is self-inflicted. Just like when I close > Microsoft Word accidentally after spending a whole day typing my report > and > thereby loose an entire day's work, but I don't because it reminds my > tired > head to click 'Save'. > > Fortunately for me, software can easily be written to help with human > situations. It is one of the over-riding principals of good software > development that software should be written to suit the human condition > rather than the humans having to change the way they are to accommodate > the > software (or any machine for that matter) hence we have safety guards on > chain-saws and air-bags in cars. I'm confused about which software should be changed. Spambayes? I use the procmail filter at home and the outlook plugin at work, and neither provide a method for subscribing to the spambayes mailing list. However you do have one valid point of criticism. The Outlook package provides a link to a local html page: file:///C:/Program%20Files/SpamBayes/docs/outlook/docs/troubleshooting.html# mail There I read the following text: -----CUT----- Send a mail If all else fails, you may want to send someone a mail. Please make sure you have read this document thoroughly before doing do. Your mail should be sent to the SpamBayes mailing list (spambayes at python.org). Please do not mail any of the contributors directly! (see "good karma" below). Please ensure this mail contains: the version of Windows you are using, the version of SpamBayes, any log files. If you also mention that you read this trouble-shooting guide and are still stuck, then you will be more likely to get answered! (And if you can subscribe to this mailing list and help answer other questions, and good karma will come your way!) -----CUT----- There is no mention about the fact that the mailing list is public on the local documentation page. So I would rather agree if someone would call this a "bug" in the documentation. This should be changed as soon as possible. I'm going to subscribe to the dev-list to request this. However on the website, near every occurrence I could find of the mailing list address, it is mentioned that it is a public mailing list. So there I would respectfully disagree with you if you say that the website should be changed. (correct me if I'm wrong) -- Amedee From amedee at amedee.be Mon Jun 30 15:45:07 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:45:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO T HIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D13D@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> References: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D13D@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> Message-ID: <25129.193.121.250.194.1214833507.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Mon, June 30, 2008 15:16, OConchubhair, Andoni wrote: > Yes. > > I did not post anything that I want removed. I understand what a public > mailing list is and how it works. I am not writing about me but about the > many people who post to this list each month distressed because their > information is available to all and sundry on the web. > > You phrase it in such a way as to make the user sound like a complete > idiot > and yet the fact that so many people seem to be experiencing this > difficulty > on a regular basis shows that it does not take any exceptional > characteristics to make this simple mistake. Tough luck. Spambayes is not commercial software. It is experimental, free, open source software written by technically advanced people who know how the internet works, for their own personal use. And I as a simple person am very, very happy that they want to share their hobby project with me. I am 99% sure that the developers would abandon the spambayes project as soon as they are forced to give commercial-grade support. From amedee at amedee.be Mon Jun 30 16:05:57 2008 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:05:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT In-Reply-To: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D13E@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> References: <482B687A2184824D89145C74E6A540A2D7D13E@MSGGALCLA2WIN.DMN1.FMR.COM> Message-ID: <63084.193.121.250.194.1214834757.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Mon, June 30, 2008 15:21, OConchubhair, Andoni wrote: > Is it impossible to implement a link on this page? It need not pop-up? > > Is it impossible to implement a check-box that must be ticket in order to > click the "Subscribe" button? > > If these are impossible then that ends the discussion as far as I am > concerned. > > Mark: I think that text will be helpful. Anything that will help a few > more > users to notice this situation will be good. That said, I think we all > know > that users often don't ready any of what is written, which is why they are > often forced to click tick-boxes etc. to show they have read T&Cs. I can answer these questions because I have run the mailman mailinglist software myself on my own server. (Spambayes uses the mailman infrastructure provided by python.org, the Spambayes project does not administer or own the mailing list software) Changing Mailman, provided by python.org: forget it. Stick to plain text that can be filled in the templates provided by Mailman. When someone subscribes, they are not immediatly subscribed. They get 2 emails before they can send email to the list. EMAIL1: Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list spambayes We have received a request from IP_ADDRESS for subscription of your email address, EMAIL_ADDRESS, to the spambayes at python.org mailing list. To confirm that you want to be added to this mailing list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. Or visit this web page: http://mail.python.org/mailman/confirm/spambayes/LONG_CODE Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to spambayes-request at python.org: confirm LONG_CODE Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay). If you do not wish to be subscribed to this list, please simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them to spambayes-owner at python.org. EMAIL2: Welcome to the spambayes at python.org mailing list! To post to this list, send your email to: spambayes at python.org General information about the mailing list is at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/spambayes/EMAIL_ADDRESS You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: spambayes-request at python.org with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: PASSWORD, Normally, Mailman will remind you of your python.org mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. Mark just mailed that he modified the second mail. That's as far as you can jump inside the Mailman software. Mailman isn't a Web Two Point Oh social networking site with Ajax-enabled buzzword compliant widgets. It's mature software, meaning that it has proven its worth over the years. Don't try to fix what isn't broken. -- Amedee