From foundingoss at googlemail.com Mon Dec 3 16:49:09 2007 From: foundingoss at googlemail.com (Wolfgang Sprenger) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:49:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spambayes] Research into reasons for founding Open Source Software projects Message-ID: <47542575.12975e0a.6a96.ffff87d6@mx.google.com> Hello Spambayes, I'm studying the reasons why Open Source Software projects get founded. In the last couple of days I've been studying your project spambayes (spambayes.sourceforge.net). I'm almost done with gathering data, I just want to ask if you can help me with some concluding questions. I gathered the following data from your website: * the date of beginning the project: 1.7.2004. * the date of the 1st release from this software: 19. * the number of the developer for this project is: svn, mailinglist. Is this information correct? I also have some further questions. Approx. when did you have the idea for your project? (E.g. August 2006) What kind of tools do you use in your project to communicate respectively share source code, documentation, etc.? All information will be made anonymous for publication. Please let me know if you have questions and thanks for helping me out, Wolfgang Sprenger Freie Universitaet Berlin From info at koophetbijkoops.nl Mon Dec 3 21:14:01 2007 From: info at koophetbijkoops.nl (Koopsboeken) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:14:01 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Automatic filter doesn't work Message-ID: <20071203213609.5365F1E402D@bag.python.org> Hi, I'm a happy spambayes user for a while now. Recently I had to format my computer and reinstalled spambayes. Everything looks alright, I have my buttons delete and recover and when I click those, they work as expected. But, when I receive spam mails, spambayes doesn't automatically detect those. I tried to rerun the configuration manager but this didn't help. What I have: Windows xp pro, outlook 2003, spambayes 1.0.4 Do you have an idea what is causing this? Thank you! Kind regards, Rogier Knipscheer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071203/d01ce7d3/attachment.htm From info at koophetbijkoops.nl Mon Dec 3 21:12:44 2007 From: info at koophetbijkoops.nl (Koopsboeken) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:12:44 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Automatic filter doesn't work Message-ID: <20071203225049.55D6B1E4010@bag.python.org> Hi, I'm a happy spambayes user for a while now. Recently I had to format my computer and reinstalled spambayes. Everything looks alright, I have my buttons delete and recover and when I click those, they work as expected. But, when I receive spam mails, spambayes doesn't automatically detect those. I tried to rerun the configuration manager but this didn't help. What I have: Windows xp pro, outlook 2003, spambayes 1.0.4 Do you have an idea what is causing this? Thank you! Kind regards, Rogier Knipscheer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071203/4a6b96ab/attachment.htm From dave at boost-consulting.com Tue Dec 4 18:10:58 2007 From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:10:58 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Receiver Reputation Technology? Message-ID: <87eje2s7vh.fsf@grogan.peloton> I just ran across an article in the NYT about this company: http://abaca.com/solutions_tech.html, which seems to have a very cool approach to spam filtering. I'm interested in hearing the opinions of the SB experts. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com From meccman at waitrose.com Fri Dec 7 13:47:30 2007 From: meccman at waitrose.com (Roland J) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:47:30 -0000 Subject: [Spambayes] Not recognising mail.waitrose.com mail Message-ID: <000901c838cf$5459b4d0$1c70bd50@your7adb206dac> Hi there, I have recently gone onto Broadband with waitrose.com and have entered :- Remote Servers :- pop.clara.net;mail.waitrose.com (Current Value: pop.clara.net;mail.waitrose.com) SpamBayes Ports:- 110;8110 (Current Value: 110;8110) However, although the eMail via my old eMail address with Clara still appears in the Review/train page, the mail from the Waitrose server slips through and does not appear in the review page. Hence more and more spam is arriving in my Outlook Express (v.6.0) inbox. I have contacted the Waitrose technical help line but other than selecting to activate their Spam filter (which did not help much) they had no other suggestions. Can you please let me know how to configure SpamBayes to scan ALL my incoming eMail ? Regards, Roland. From jason at tomerlin.com Fri Dec 7 14:22:14 2007 From: jason at tomerlin.com (Jason Tomerlin) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 06:22:14 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] run time error Message-ID: <006501c838d4$2ef26980$8cd73c80$@com> A run time error occurred during the loading of the COM addin - outlook_addin.dll Windows XP Office 2007 SB vers 1.0.4 Was chugging happily along, unknown what caused the problem Started with the buttons not being responsive. Reinstalled, same issue. Reregistering the dll did not fix Log follows. pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher Traceback (most recent call last): File "win32com\universal.pyc", line 173, in dispatch File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 330, in _InvokeEx_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 647, in _invokeex_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 581, in _invokeex_ File "addin.pyc", line 1185, in OnConnection File "manager.pyc", line 16, in ? File "msgstore.pyc", line 14, in ? File "win32com\mapi\mapi.pyc", line 9, in ? File "win32com\mapi\mapi.pyc", line 7, in __load exceptions.ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified module could not be found. Error connecting to Outlook! Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 1191, in OnConnection AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'GetManager' pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher Traceback (most recent call last): File "win32com\universal.pyc", line 173, in dispatch File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 330, in _InvokeEx_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 647, in _invokeex_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 581, in _invokeex_ File "addin.pyc", line 1218, in OnConnection exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'ReportError' Error connecting to Outlook! Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 1191, in OnConnection AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'GetManager' pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher Traceback (most recent call last): File "win32com\universal.pyc", line 173, in dispatch File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 330, in _InvokeEx_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 647, in _invokeex_ File "win32com\server\policy.pyc", line 581, in _invokeex_ File "addin.pyc", line 1218, in OnConnection exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'ReportError' Error connecting to Outlook! 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Personal email - 100% cured ham Could Spambayes be modified so that it creates an other category of emails that it diverts to a second folder, allowing me to collate all my emails that I want to keep in the short term, but would appreciate being able to quickly & easily group & delete them. I checked through the FAQ, and I couldn't see this - apologies if it's been asked and answered before... Cheers, Richard theonlyrick>at An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071208/75787b94/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Sat Dec 8 14:43:12 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:43:12 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. In-Reply-To: <4759D24C.9080809@audiography.com.au> References: <4759D24C.9080809@audiography.com.au> Message-ID: <18266.40816.800585.778742@montanaro.dyndns.org> Pete> Way too many false negatives (still running at around 7%, after Pete> 13,000+ spam training messages and 50,000+ good training Pete> messages), Way too large a database. Train on just mistakes and unsures. If you've trained on over 60,000 messages you must be training on everything you receive. Good luck with K9. Sounds like it's doing the trick. Skip From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Sat Dec 8 18:43:19 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:43:19 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. In-Reply-To: <18266.40816.800585.778742@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <4759D24C.9080809@audiography.com.au> <18266.40816.800585.778742@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <475AD7B7.4070708@cubiclesoft.com> skip at pobox.com wrote: > Pete> Way too many false negatives (still running at around 7%, after > Pete> 13,000+ spam training messages and 50,000+ good training > Pete> messages), > > Way too large a database. Train on just mistakes and unsures. If you've > trained on over 60,000 messages you must be training on everything you > receive. > > Good luck with K9. Sounds like it's doing the trick. > > Skip This only proves that Spambayes needs an autobalancing ham/spam feature built in by default. Users train on everything in the hopes of eliminating all spam from the in-box. Also, by _your_ logic, the default training mechanism in Spambayes should be to NOT train on spam. VERY counter-intuitive. In terms of usability, Spambayes is clearly designed "by geeks, for geeks" but since this tool has appeared in major computing magazines that _users_ read, the tool needs to change to fit the mindset of those who will actually use the product. What Pete said has crossed my mind quite frequently while using the tool. Your focus is on "training database size" rather than the user's actual complaint: That the product is not _usable_. I can use and understand the product only because I'm a geek. However, it needs to be significantly simplified so a user can use it. Maybe your goal is only to cater to geeks. If that's the case, you need to state it somewhere at the top of your homepage and drop the support for the Outlook add-in - at which point I too will probably stop using the tool because there is no hope for it...ever, Users will not take the time to learn to use the tool how you want them to use it. If they see spam, they are going to train it as spam no matter how large their training database gets. That is how users think. Developing software is more about psychology than code: Study the user and code accordingly. Sorry for the rant. I've been feeling the same way as Pete and wanted to put what he said into a little different perspective - perhaps one that you'd understand better. You completely ignored Pete's very lengthy e-mail on what it means to be a user of Spambayes from his perspective and instantly focused on the one sentence that is useless to him but is "comfortable" for you. I'm hoping this helps craft an improved tool rather than write Pete, me, and other users like us off as "annoying". I know that you are going to be upset when you read this but I don't care if you hate me as long as you end up going back and pondering Pete's e-mail. His words, from just that one e-mail, are capable of guiding how Spambayes should be developed for the next 5 years. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From tspector at savellkatzco.com Sat Dec 8 18:18:11 2007 From: tspector at savellkatzco.com (Trish Spector) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Email addresses Message-ID: Why not have your program look at email addresses and ip addresses to eliminate spam. You can use various contact folders to get good email addresses as well as the sent folder having the system scan for new ones. You can have bad addresses picked up when it is marked as spam. You can also have the user add addresses to the system to consider spam or good. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071208/a92fe5a0/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Sat Dec 8 20:39:57 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:39:57 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Email addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18266.62221.856151.694625@montanaro.dyndns.org> Trish> Why not have your program look at email addresses and ip Trish> addresses to eliminate spam. I believe it already picks apart email addresses. You might find these other settings useful: [Tokenizer] summarize_email_prefixes:True summarize_email_suffixes:True mine_received_headers:True x-pick_apart_urls:True x-fancy_url_recognition:False x-lookup_ip:True Skip From skip at pobox.com Sat Dec 8 23:22:48 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:22:48 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. In-Reply-To: <475AD7B7.4070708@cubiclesoft.com> References: <4759D24C.9080809@audiography.com.au> <18266.40816.800585.778742@montanaro.dyndns.org> <475AD7B7.4070708@cubiclesoft.com> Message-ID: <18267.6456.456136.643039@montanaro.dyndns.org> Thomas> This only proves that Spambayes needs an autobalancing ham/spam Thomas> feature built in by default. Users train on everything in the Thomas> hopes of eliminating all spam from the in-box. Also, by _your_ Thomas> logic, the default training mechanism in Spambayes should be to Thomas> NOT train on spam. Thomas> VERY counter-intuitive. SpamBayes consists of several different applications. Each application is responsible for its training policy. When the software was first developed it wasn't clear what training policies would be best. Consequently, it's been left up to the users to decide how they want to train. Time and time again people post to this list that training on mistakes and unsures works well for them. If you'd like to codify that as a policy, as they say, "patches are welcome". Personally, I don't use Windows as all, so I'm unable to help you with the Outlook plug-in. The other developers who have Windows experience don't have the time to work on SpamBayes these days. Thomas> In terms of usability, Spambayes is clearly designed "by geeks, Thomas> for geeks" but since this tool has appeared in major computing Thomas> magazines that _users_ read, the tool needs to change to fit the Thomas> mindset of those who will actually use the product. That's fine, but I think we need some new geeks to step up and implement these features. Alternatively, you can contact companies like InBoxer who have a commercial product that uses SpamBayes under the covers. Perhaps they have implemented the training features you desire. Note that nobody has ever submitted SpamBayes for inclusion in magazines. Those magazines just learn about it, test it and present the results to their readers. Thomas> Maybe your goal is only to cater to geeks. No, you seem to think there's a company back here selling and supporting a product. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Yes, those of us who have developed parts of SpamBayes can probably be classified as geeks (see the attached photo I took this morning), but it's more important to understand that SpamBayes was developed to solve our needs. We were just scratching what itched. Thomas> If that's the case, you need to state it somewhere at the top of Thomas> your homepage and drop the support for the Outlook add-in I'm not sure where you got the idea that SpamBayes was supported in the traditional commercial software sense of the word. You are more than welcome to take SpamBayes and commercialize it as the InBoxer folks did. The license allows that. I personally have no interest in doing that though. Someone else pays me well to write software that has nothing to do with spam filtering. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.webfast.com/~skip/ A geek since well before 1998 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCF0586.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 46680 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071208/9e6f12d2/attachment-0001.jpg From PCPete at audiography.com.au Sun Dec 9 01:08:03 2007 From: PCPete at audiography.com.au (Audiography Support) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:08:03 +1100 Subject: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. In-Reply-To: <475AD7B7.4070708@cubiclesoft.com> References: <4759D24C.9080809@audiography.com.au> <18266.40816.800585.778742@montanaro.dyndns.org> <475AD7B7.4070708@cubiclesoft.com> Message-ID: <475B31E3.5030206@audiography.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071209/a29f5d00/attachment.htm From amedee at amedee.be Mon Dec 10 15:17:17 2007 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:17:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. In-Reply-To: <18267.6456.456136.643039@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <4759D24C.9080809@audiography.com.au> <18266.40816.800585.778742@montanaro.dyndns.org> <475AD7B7.4070708@cubiclesoft.com> <18267.6456.456136.643039@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <50366.193.121.250.194.1197296237.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Sat, December 8, 2007 23:22, skip at pobox.com wrote: > Thomas> Maybe your goal is only to cater to geeks. > > No, you seem to think there's a company back here selling and supporting a > product. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Yes, those of us who > have developed parts of SpamBayes can probably be classified as geeks (see > the attached photo I took this morning), but it's more important to > understand that SpamBayes was developed to solve our needs. We were just > scratching what itched. I expected a mug shot ;-) (like on my LinkedIn profile) -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From jsp at PKC.com Mon Dec 10 16:04:19 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:04:19 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. In-Reply-To: <475B31E3.5030206@audiography.com.au> References: <4759D24C.9080809@audiography.com.au><18266.40816.800585.778742@montanaro.dyndns.org><475AD7B7.4070708@cubiclesoft.com> <475B31E3.5030206@audiography.com.au> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E82D4@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Sounds like there's a research paper in here somewhere, should anyone want one. I suspect that I'm one of a large majority of contented SpamBayes users, but that's hard to know. I'm quite happy with the filtering obtained by training SpamBayes using what seems to me an easy and intuitive approach: if SpamBayes puts a message in the wrong place, I move it where it belongs. But there are some number of people who get results that leave them frustrated and annoyed. It would be interesting to know why that is. Different data? Different training methods? Different expectations? Something else altogether? Maybe it's an indictment of the open source process that no one has answered these questions. There's no one to commission the research, just a few good souls who had a need, saw a possible solution, scratched their own itch, and kindly made the resulting software available for the rest of us. On the other hand, maybe it's just a matter of time, and Pete or Thomas or someone else will have the interest and resources to puzzle out an explanation for the wide range of experiences. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Audiography Support Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:08 PM Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. Skip, I understand your concern - too much data is sometimes worse than not enough. And I'm not a mathematician by any stretch of the imagination. Programmer, yes, hardware designer, yes, PC guru, yes (in another life), Geek of the week 5 times running, yes, but not mathematician. But if I start using a tool that looks for certain words, patterns, phrases, and so on in messages in order to identify similar messages in the future, then it's really counter-intuitive to say "don't train it so much, you'll break it." Why not? The problem I've run into (every day now) is that no matter how much or little training I used, SB/TB doesn't work the way everyone tells me a bayesian filter is supposed to. And when I try to give examples, people say "oh, that's not the way it works!". What way does it work, then? I'm either training it too much, or not enough! If I look at the scores given by Spambayes and Thunderbayes to words like penis, viagra, etc, they are ridiculously low compared to words like "sell" or "friend" or "the" - when those 'bad' words don't occur - ever - in good messages! Never, ever, ever. So the technology should be able to look at those words and say "hey, this word only ever appears in bad messages, so I'm going to weight it like hell and mark it as bad!", without me needing to train it. That didn't happen. By way of example (and this probably says as much about my lack of mathematical knowledge as anything else!): I had a "penis" list of messages. These messages all contained the word "penis". I had 1,000 of these messages, which typically consisted of 20-150 words each, with a lexical word base of about 150 words. Then, I had a list of identical messages, with the word "penis" taken out. So I reset SB (completely), then trained it on the bad messages as spam, and the "edited" messages as ham. When I fed it a new message, identical to another of the previously trained bad messages, it scored it as 8%. How in the name of the Oxford Abridged Dictionary can that be calculated as right? I admit this isn't the way SB should be used. But if it can't distinguish such a fundamentally simple concept - out of 150 words, 149 are common, and the one "uncommon" word - which appeared 1,000 times only in bad messages - was weighted at about 1 chance in 16 of being "bad"? And the word "yesterday" was weighted at 22%. That's the kind of number that makes me say "this tool doesn't work". More training doesn't fix the problems, but I thought it would. That's my mistake! OK, there are other considerations, such as the mail headers, character formatting, misspellings, character sets, and so on - but there is no easy (or difficult, for that matter) to configure ANY bayesian filter I've EVER seen to work the way I need it. I can't seem to tell it to ignore headers - and I know for a fact that header data is taken into account when training - but since so much of the header data (taken as individual words) is identical, where's the tool to let me tell SB not to score "x-Mozilla-Status" or "Envelope-to" in every single damn piece of email I get? But if I look at the training dbs (assuming I can find them and see what's in them), I find those same terms are weighted/scored just as high as "bad" words! So what I'm narked off about (and don't misunderstand me, I'm absolutely frustrated as hell at wasting close to 100 hours with installing, training, resetting uninstalling, reinstalling, retraining, and then rescuing email from the junk pile and simultaneously manually putting spam into the training folder or the junk folder, and repeat) is the fact that the technology doesn't work the way it's supposed to. Not for me, anyway. And I'm a poster boy for nerds, believe me. Maybe the problem is SB is trying to be all things to all users. But what I've learned from the last 5 months is that the SB and TB tools are not easy or friendly or configurable. They're difficult to get going, difficult to maintain, unable to be truly configured to specific needs (that are actually common across every smtp/pop email client on every OS), and they don't like not being trained almost as much as they hate being over trained! The one time I tried to "get into" a spam table (after exporting it to XML and re-importing it with some words weighted more heavily), it completely broke TB - but not because of the weighting I used, it was because the XML import filter doesn't actually import valid XML, and the export XML filter doesn't export valid XML. Yep, I'm sticking to what works for me until I have enough free time to try and add something to the bayes community. I really do want to try and improve the bayes filter technology, because it should work better. Thomas Hruska wrote: skip at pobox.com wrote: Pete> Way too many false negatives (still running at around 7%, after Pete> 13,000+ spam training messages and 50,000+ good training Pete> messages), Way too large a database. Train on just mistakes and unsures. If you've trained on over 60,000 messages you must be training on everything you receive. Good luck with K9. Sounds like it's doing the trick. Skip This only proves that Spambayes needs an autobalancing ham/spam feature built in by default. Users train on everything in the hopes of eliminating all spam from the in-box. Also, by _your_ logic, the default training mechanism in Spambayes should be to NOT train on spam. VERY counter-intuitive. In terms of usability, Spambayes is clearly designed "by geeks, for geeks" but since this tool has appeared in major computing magazines that _users_ read, the tool needs to change to fit the mindset of those who will actually use the product. What Pete said has crossed my mind quite frequently while using the tool. Your focus is on "training database size" rather than the user's actual complaint: That the product is not _usable_. I can use and understand the product only because I'm a geek. However, it needs to be significantly simplified so a user can use it. Maybe your goal is only to cater to geeks. If that's the case, you need to state it somewhere at the top of your homepage and drop the support for the Outlook add-in - at which point I too will probably stop using the tool because there is no hope for it...ever, Users will not take the time to learn to use the tool how you want them to use it. If they see spam, they are going to train it as spam no matter how large their training database gets. That is how users think. Developing software is more about psychology than code: Study the user and code accordingly. Sorry for the rant. I've been feeling the same way as Pete and wanted to put what he said into a little different perspective - perhaps one that you'd understand better. You completely ignored Pete's very lengthy e-mail on what it means to be a user of Spambayes from his perspective and instantly focused on the one sentence that is useless to him but is "comfortable" for you. I'm hoping this helps craft an improved tool rather than write Pete, me, and other users like us off as "annoying". I know that you are going to be upset when you read this but I don't care if you hate me as long as you end up going back and pondering Pete's e-mail. His words, from just that one e-mail, are capable of guiding how Spambayes should be developed for the next 5 years. -- Peter Naus Audio Engineering Manager Audiography 20 Churinga Avenue, Mitcham. Victoria. 3132. Australia. Freecall: 1300 78 4576 Phone: +613 8802-4562 e-mail: support at audiography.com.au web: http://www.audiography.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071210/24309bcd/attachment.htm From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Tue Dec 11 15:51:11 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:51:11 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. [BUG + FIX] In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E82D4@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <4759D24C.9080809@audiography.com.au><18266.40816.800585.778742@montanaro.dyndns.org><475AD7B7.4070708@cubiclesoft.com> <475B31E3.5030206@audiography.com.au> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E82D4@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <475EA3DF.6090200@cubiclesoft.com> Jesse Pelton wrote: > Sounds like there's a research paper in here somewhere, should anyone > want one. I suspect that I'm one of a large majority of contented > SpamBayes users, but that's hard to know. I'm quite happy with the > filtering obtained by training SpamBayes using what seems to me an easy > and intuitive approach: if SpamBayes puts a message in the wrong place, > I move it where it belongs. > > But there are some number of people who get results that leave them > frustrated and annoyed. It would be interesting to know why that is. > Different data? Different training methods? Different expectations? > Something else altogether? > > Maybe it's an indictment of the open source process that no one has > answered these questions. There's no one to commission the research, > just a few good souls who had a need, saw a possible solution, scratched > their own itch, and kindly made the resulting software available for the > rest of us. On the other hand, maybe it's just a matter of time, and > Pete or Thomas or someone else will have the interest and resources to > puzzle out an explanation for the wide range of experiences. Based on what I've read, I decided to hose my Spambayes training database last night and start over using a new approach. Using the POP3 proxy, I have set (in the "Advanced" configuration) Unsure to select Spam as default, Ham to select Discard as default, and Spam to select Discard as default in the Review Messages page. Based on what I've read, this is the "correct" approach. However, also based on what I've read, Spambayes needs to keep its training database small to remain effective. Therefore, training on more than exactly one pre-classified message is also wrong. Here's why: Spambayes pre-classifies a message as unsure, ham, or spam. That classification sticks. When the message is used to train Spambayes, Spambayes uses the original message and the user-based classification to train. So far so good. HOWEVER, the entire database and set of classifications is affected by that single message. This means that training on other messages will most likely dilute the database UNLESS they are reclassified and filtered. This is a serious bug from user, developer, AND statistical perspectives. This bug's most likely source is the developers who retrain on a small set of messages daily that they've carefully whittled down by hand. Users don't do this. To fix this, Spambayes needs to reclassify all messages selected by the user and pick and choose which ones it actually needs to train on. Here's the ruleset that should be used (PHP-like pseudocode based on observations of the behavior of the POP3 proxy - sorry, I don't know Python): $userclassification = $_POST["userclassify_" . $id]; if ($userclassification == "Ham" || $userclassification == "Spam") { $reclassified = ClassifyTheOriginalMessage($id); if ($reclassified != $userclassification) { TrainDatabaseWithMessage($id, $userclassification); } } That simple change (probably a 5 minute fix for the developers) will keep the database really small no matter how users behave. On the plus side, I am noticing a significant difference this time around. Trained on just 20 messages so far and it is definitely working a lot better than my previous approach of training on everything (60,000+ messages - and took almost 300 messages to reach the same point I'm at now). Still have a ways to go before I know for certain. Training one message at a time is going to take a while. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From brentm at seatadvisor.com Tue Dec 11 22:06:56 2007 From: brentm at seatadvisor.com (Brent Miller) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:06:56 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Vista and Office 2007 Message-ID: <0a3a01c83c39$c36c5b80$4201a8c0@BrentLaptop> Hi, Will the next release of Spambayes have a fix for the problem with Vista and Office 2007 where you can't open outlook with Spambayes loaded? Best regards, Brent Miller President & CEO SeatAdvisorT 1810 State Street San Diego, CA 92101 p: 877.732.8627 x4 p: 714.442.2627 x4 f: 877.732.8627 e: brentm at seatadvisor.com www.seatadvisor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071211/6e9d9e19/attachment.htm From rojo.editor at verizon.net Wed Dec 12 04:00:36 2007 From: rojo.editor at verizon.net (Joel Rosenthal) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:00:36 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Mail Delivery (failure travel@customercare.expedia.com) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014b01c83c6b$2bf06080$83d12180$@editor@verizon.net> How on earth did this message ever get sent to this entire e-mail list? Sorry Lori, but somehow this e-mail got sent to everyone who subscribes to this list about anti-spam software. From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Lori Davenport Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:30 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Mail Delivery (failure travel at customercare.expedia.com) Hello. My name is Lori Davenport and I was told to E-mail you about my E-mail address. Somehow it was put in to the computer wrong when I called about a ticket. I need the paper to get my daughter on her flight but did not recieve it because of the mistake.They have it as pcltave1 at ihc.com but it shoul;d be pcldave1 at ihc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071211/e54c5466/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Wed Dec 12 13:53:18 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Vista and Office 2007 In-Reply-To: <0a3a01c83c39$c36c5b80$4201a8c0@BrentLaptop> References: <0a3a01c83c39$c36c5b80$4201a8c0@BrentLaptop> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E87C6@PKCVT01.pkc.com> There are reports of SpamBayes working with Vista and Outlook 2007 (which I assume is what you mean). However, there are a couple of common issues (for which workarounds are available). It appears from the archives that you already know about the DEP issue (and presumably how to address it), but I don't know if you've seen the other: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2007-April/020774.html. I can't say whether the next release of SpamBayes will address these problems. It seems unlikely, as there really isn't an active maintainer for the Outlook plug-in. To the list: if you have (or know someone who has) Windows development skills (and, ideally, access to Vista and Outlook 2007), here's a great opportunity to contribute to a worthwhile project! Fame and riches will surely ensue. Just ask any of the people who've worked on the project. (In case anyone is unsure: I jest.) ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Brent Miller Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:07 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Vista and Office 2007 Hi, Will the next release of Spambayes have a fix for the problem with Vista and Office 2007 where you can't open outlook with Spambayes loaded? Best regards, Brent Miller President & CEO SeatAdvisor(tm) 1810 State Street San Diego, CA 92101 p: 877.732.8627 x4 p: 714.442.2627 x4 f: 877.732.8627 e: brentm at seatadvisor.com www.seatadvisor.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071212/256181af/attachment.htm From trebor at animeigo.com Wed Dec 12 13:21:09 2007 From: trebor at animeigo.com (Robert Woodhead) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:21:09 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. [BUG + FIX] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475FD235.5050504@animeigo.com> > On the plus side, I am noticing a significant difference this time > around. Trained on just 20 messages so far and it is definitely working > a lot better than my previous approach of training on everything > (60,000+ messages - and took almost 300 messages to reach the same point > I'm at now). Still have a ways to go before I know for certain. > Training one message at a time is going to take a while. > > I've been lurking on the list for ages, and have finally gotten a chance to try out spambayes (moved to Thunderbird after gettting fed up with Apple Mail). I have to echo Thomas' comments; Spambayes should train properly when confronted with common user behavior in the mailreader (ie: she tells spambayes when unsures are spam, and when spam is ham, but usually not when unsures are ham). I am probably recapitulating some old suggestions (or even, this is the way that SB works already), but it occurs to me that you can deal with the problem of database growth by simply cutting back the word counts regularly (ie: when the spam or ham word count of any word exceeds some number, divide all the word counts of everything in the database by 2) and then zapping all of the middle-of-the-road noise words to get the total word count down to some reasonable number. Wouldn't this also deal with evolving spam signatures in a natural manner? PS: It isn't immediately obvious from the web-based interface how to zap your database, or exactly what the save+quit button really does. From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Wed Dec 12 15:23:13 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:23:13 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. [BUG + FIX] In-Reply-To: <475FD235.5050504@animeigo.com> References: <475FD235.5050504@animeigo.com> Message-ID: <475FEED1.1010302@cubiclesoft.com> Robert Woodhead wrote: >> On the plus side, I am noticing a significant difference this time >> around. Trained on just 20 messages so far and it is definitely working >> a lot better than my previous approach of training on everything >> (60,000+ messages - and took almost 300 messages to reach the same point >> I'm at now). Still have a ways to go before I know for certain. >> Training one message at a time is going to take a while. >> >> > I've been lurking on the list for ages, and have finally gotten a chance > to try out spambayes (moved to Thunderbird after gettting fed up with > Apple Mail). I have to echo Thomas' comments; Spambayes should train > properly when confronted with common user behavior in the mailreader > (ie: she tells spambayes when unsures are spam, and when spam is ham, > but usually not when unsures are ham). > > I am probably recapitulating some old suggestions (or even, this is the > way that SB works already), but it occurs to me that you can deal with > the problem of database growth by simply cutting back the word counts > regularly (ie: when the spam or ham word count of any word exceeds some > number, divide all the word counts of everything in the database by 2) > and then zapping all of the middle-of-the-road noise words to get the > total word count down to some reasonable number. Wouldn't this also > deal with evolving spam signatures in a natural manner? Won't work nearly as effectively as what I suggested and probably wouldn't work at all. Now that I understand roughly how Spambayes works, the only CORRECT way (at the moment) to train it is to train exactly one message between the last training and the current training - all the other messages between those points MUST be discarded. You could have thousands of messages in the queue, but because Spambayes doesn't recalculate the classification (a bug that is fixable using my proposed fix), you can't train on the rest of the messages unless you want a diluted database. > PS: It isn't immediately obvious from the web-based interface how to zap > your database, or exactly what the save+quit button really does. An option I'd like to see but not nearly as much as my suggested fix. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From tspector at savellkatzco.com Wed Dec 12 17:36:34 2007 From: tspector at savellkatzco.com (Trish Spector) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:36:34 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug Message-ID: I have a bug in outlook. I did go to thetroubleshooting website and tried those suggestions but they did not work. I kept getting kicked off to report this bug to you, hence the email. I am using outlook 2003 SP3. I have your latest version of your program 1.0.4. When I customize my tool bar and I close outlook and come back in, the customization is gone. So far your program has worked great except for this. It also unchecked the advanced and web toolbar boxes under customization. I can recheck the boxes but when I exit out and come back in they are unchecked again. Does it work along with outlooks junk mail program? I have junk mail set on high and I am deleting suspected junk email before it gets to the junk mail folder. 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As long as the folder was smaller, I used to do it manually, but a few weeks of neglect, led it to its present state. Can you suggest a substitute to the manual procedure? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Trimming-a-Junk-Email-folder-tp14311061p14311061.html Sent from the Spambayes - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From skip at pobox.com Thu Dec 13 13:40:43 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:40:43 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder In-Reply-To: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> chermesh> Still, a long use creates a problem, my Junk Email folder grew chermesh> into a monster, around 5000 items.... As long as the folder chermesh> was smaller, I used to do it manually, but a few weeks of chermesh> neglect, led it to its present state. Can you suggest a chermesh> substitute to the manual procedure? Delete it completely and start from scratch? Skip From jsp at PKC.com Thu Dec 13 14:05:56 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:05:56 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder In-Reply-To: <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Or just empty it. Select the folder, press Ctrl-A to select all the messages in it, and Shift-click the delete button (looks like an X) on the Outlook toolbar to permanently delete the messages. Shouldn't take more than a few seconds. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of skip at pobox.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:41 AM To: chermesh Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder chermesh> Still, a long use creates a problem, my Junk Email folder grew chermesh> into a monster, around 5000 items.... As long as the folder chermesh> was smaller, I used to do it manually, but a few weeks of chermesh> neglect, led it to its present state. Can you suggest a chermesh> substitute to the manual procedure? Delete it completely and start from scratch? Skip _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From tooh at cox.net Thu Dec 13 23:57:58 2007 From: tooh at cox.net (John Hooton) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:57:58 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] New to SpamBayes Message-ID: <000601c83ddb$9b6fd9b0$133bb146@john8a85c6ae6e> Trying to use SpamBayes Outlook Plugin on XP Home Edition. When I right click on the message header line I do not get the context menu but "Sort Ascending , Sort Descending and Columns" . Also, looking in Outlook under tools>options I do not get "Other" as a subtab. Can you assist? John R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071213/bf45e32e/attachment.htm From meccman at waitrose.com Fri Dec 14 13:03:44 2007 From: meccman at waitrose.com (Roland J) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:03:44 -0000 Subject: [Spambayes] Fw: Not recognising mail.waitrose.com mail Message-ID: <001401c83e49$60038fc0$1c70bd50@your7adb206dac> Any chance of anybody actually answering my query below ? Ignoring my message is NOT the way to keep customers happy ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland J" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Not recognising mail.waitrose.com mail > Hi there, > I have recently gone onto Broadband with waitrose.com and have entered :- > Remote Servers :- pop.clara.net;mail.waitrose.com (Current Value: > pop.clara.net;mail.waitrose.com) > SpamBayes Ports:- 110;8110 (Current Value: 110;8110) > > However, although the eMail via my old eMail address with Clara still appears > in the Review/train page, the mail from the Waitrose server slips through and > does not appear in the review page. Hence more and more spam is arriving in my > Outlook Express (v.6.0) inbox. > > I have contacted the Waitrose technical help line but other than selecting to > activate their Spam filter (which did not help much) they had no other > suggestions. > > Can you please let me know how to configure SpamBayes to scan ALL my incoming > eMail ? > > Regards, Roland. > > From jsp at PKC.com Fri Dec 14 14:18:31 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:18:31 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Fw: Not recognising mail.waitrose.com mail In-Reply-To: <001401c83e49$60038fc0$1c70bd50@your7adb206dac> References: <001401c83e49$60038fc0$1c70bd50@your7adb206dac> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E8BE9@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Bear in mind that what you're communicating with is a loose confederation of people with a limited shared purpose, not a company. There's no one whose job it is to make sure customers are happy, just a bunch of people who help out other users when and where they can. That is to say, there are no customers, only other users. If you were using Outlook, you could get commercial support for InBoxer, a product based on SpamBayes mentioned on http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/related.html. I'd help if I could, but I don't use a configuration similar to yours, so I don't have any insight into your situation. Perhaps you've had no response because no one has an answer. Here's hoping that someone will disprove that hypothesis! -jesse- -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Roland J Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:04 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Fw: Not recognising mail.waitrose.com mail Importance: High Any chance of anybody actually answering my query below ? Ignoring my message is NOT the way to keep customers happy ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland J" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Not recognising mail.waitrose.com mail > Hi there, > I have recently gone onto Broadband with waitrose.com and have entered :- > Remote Servers :- pop.clara.net;mail.waitrose.com (Current Value: > pop.clara.net;mail.waitrose.com) > SpamBayes Ports:- 110;8110 (Current Value: 110;8110) > > However, although the eMail via my old eMail address with Clara still appears > in the Review/train page, the mail from the Waitrose server slips through and > does not appear in the review page. Hence more and more spam is arriving in my > Outlook Express (v.6.0) inbox. > > I have contacted the Waitrose technical help line but other than selecting to > activate their Spam filter (which did not help much) they had no other > suggestions. > > Can you please let me know how to configure SpamBayes to scan ALL my incoming > eMail ? > > Regards, Roland. > > _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From jsp at PKC.com Fri Dec 14 14:24:54 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:24:54 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] New to SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <000601c83ddb$9b6fd9b0$133bb146@john8a85c6ae6e> References: <000601c83ddb$9b6fd9b0$133bb146@john8a85c6ae6e> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E8BEE@PKCVT01.pkc.com> It sounds like you're trying to accomplish something specific, perhaps something described in the documentation, but I'm not clear what. Could you say a little more about what you're trying to do? I get a context menu that includes the sort items you mention if I right-click the column headers ("From", "Subject", "Received", and so on). If I right-click the text of a message header (like "RE: [Spambayes] New to SpamBayes"), I get a context menu appropriate to messages, with items like "Open", "Reply", and "Delete". Is that not what you're seeing? If not, I doubt it has anything to do with SpamBayes. -jesse- ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of John Hooton Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:58 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] New to SpamBayes Trying to use SpamBayes Outlook Plugin on XP Home Edition. When I right click on the message header line I do not get the context menu but "Sort Ascending , Sort Descending and Columns" . Also, looking in Outlook under tools>options I do not get "Other" as a subtab. Can you assist? John R -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071214/cd9d66c4/attachment.htm From NBXAHFHVPQUE at spammotel.com Fri Dec 14 20:15:24 2007 From: NBXAHFHVPQUE at spammotel.com (chermesh) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:15:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> Isn't it a waste, to delete the complete contents of the folder? After all, this folders presents e x a c t l y my notion of spam. Deleting the contents meaning starting spambayes from scratch, and ignoring my unique spam definition! Ran Jesse Pelton wrote: > > Or just empty it. Select the folder, press Ctrl-A to select all the > messages in it, and Shift-click the delete button (looks like an X) on > the Outlook toolbar to permanently delete the messages. Shouldn't take > more than a few seconds. > > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] > On Behalf Of skip at pobox.com > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:41 AM > To: chermesh > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder > > > chermesh> Still, a long use creates a problem, my Junk Email folder > grew > chermesh> into a monster, around 5000 items.... As long as the > folder > chermesh> was smaller, I used to do it manually, but a few weeks of > chermesh> neglect, led it to its present state. Can you suggest a > chermesh> substitute to the manual procedure? > > Delete it completely and start from scratch? > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Trimming-a-Junk-Email-folder-tp14311061p14339749.html Sent from the Spambayes - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jsp at PKC.com Fri Dec 14 20:32:21 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:32:21 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder In-Reply-To: <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com><18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org><16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E8D0F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Sorry; I didn't understand the intent of your original message. (I'm not sure Skip did, either.) I don't retain spam myself, because a) the messages sent by spammers evolves over time as they seek to get around the latest anti-spam techniques, b) SpamBayes is easy and quick to train, and c) it's just one more thing to manage. If I think SpamBayes isn't doing as good a job as I'd like, I just start over from scratch. (That doesn't generally happen more than once or twice a year.) Within a couple of days and a few dozen messages trained on I'm generally getting satisfactory results. Bottom line: I don't have any suggestions that address the question of how to groom your spam. (Given my track record of late, I'm starting to wonder if I'd be more use if I kept silent.) -jesse- -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of chermesh Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:15 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder Isn't it a waste, to delete the complete contents of the folder? After all, this folders presents e x a c t l y my notion of spam. Deleting the contents meaning starting spambayes from scratch, and ignoring my unique spam definition! Ran Jesse Pelton wrote: > > Or just empty it. Select the folder, press Ctrl-A to select all the > messages in it, and Shift-click the delete button (looks like an X) on > the Outlook toolbar to permanently delete the messages. Shouldn't take > more than a few seconds. > > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] > On Behalf Of skip at pobox.com > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:41 AM > To: chermesh > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder > > > chermesh> Still, a long use creates a problem, my Junk Email folder > grew > chermesh> into a monster, around 5000 items.... As long as the > folder > chermesh> was smaller, I used to do it manually, but a few weeks of > chermesh> neglect, led it to its present state. Can you suggest a > chermesh> substitute to the manual procedure? > > Delete it completely and start from scratch? > > Skip > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Trimming-a-Junk-Email-folder-tp14311061p14339749.h tml Sent from the Spambayes - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From j6going3over at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 20:38:32 2007 From: j6going3over at gmail.com (John Wight) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:38:32 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I use Spambayes with Gmail Message-ID: <9b8e368a0712141138s67b2e49dlde9eb814e69ab1af@mail.gmail.com> I use firefox with Gmail. I have seen up to 100 email's a day I know some of them are ads. but they use Rich Text. and carry malware. -- Johnboy From jsp at PKC.com Fri Dec 14 20:53:12 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:53:12 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I use Spambayes with Gmail In-Reply-To: <9b8e368a0712141138s67b2e49dlde9eb814e69ab1af@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b8e368a0712141138s67b2e49dlde9eb814e69ab1af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E8D20@PKCVT01.pkc.com> I don't think SpamBayes can help if you're using the Gmail web interface. If you use POP3 with a traditional e-mail client to fetch messages from your Gmail account, you can filter messages as they're downloaded, but they'll still be unfiltered in the web interface. See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2005-April/016656.html for more on the subject. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of John Wight Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:39 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] How do I use Spambayes with Gmail I use firefox with Gmail. I have seen up to 100 email's a day I know some of them are ads. but they use Rich Text. and carry malware. -- Johnboy _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 14 21:36:22 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:36:22 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder In-Reply-To: <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <18274.59718.900722.644889@montanaro.dyndns.org> Ran> Isn't it a waste, to delete the complete contents of the folder? Ran> After all, this folders presents e x a c t l y my notion of Ran> spam. Deleting the contents meaning starting spambayes from Ran> scratch, and ignoring my unique spam definition! Yup. However, you can (and based on my own personal experience, will) make mistakes. SpamBayes should converge on a useful definition of what you think is good and bad very quickly. Again, in my experience, it starts to do a very good job by the time I've classified 10 hams and 10 spams. Skip From enewsletters at indicium.org Fri Dec 14 21:17:14 2007 From: enewsletters at indicium.org (Eric Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:17:14 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Fw: Not recognising mail.waitrose.com mail In-Reply-To: <001401c83e49$60038fc0$1c70bd50@your7adb206dac> Message-ID: I believe that part of your problem is that you are using port 110 as one of your Spambayes ports. The Spambayes proxy will use port 110 to connect with your various email servers listed. I would suggest that you use ports 8110 for one remote server and port 8111 for the other. Then in your Outlook Express account settings screen, for your first email account you set your incoming server to localhost and port 8110 and the second email account you use localhost and port 8111. See if that helps... Eric -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Roland J Sent: December 14, 2007 6:04 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Fw: Not recognising mail.waitrose.com mail Importance: High Any chance of anybody actually answering my query below ? Ignoring my message is NOT the way to keep customers happy ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland J" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Not recognising mail.waitrose.com mail > Hi there, > I have recently gone onto Broadband with waitrose.com and have entered :- > Remote Servers :- pop.clara.net;mail.waitrose.com (Current Value: > pop.clara.net;mail.waitrose.com) > SpamBayes Ports:- 110;8110 (Current Value: 110;8110) > > However, although the eMail via my old eMail address with Clara still appears > in the Review/train page, the mail from the Waitrose server slips through and > does not appear in the review page. Hence more and more spam is arriving in my > Outlook Express (v.6.0) inbox. > > I have contacted the Waitrose technical help line but other than selecting to > activate their Spam filter (which did not help much) they had no other > suggestions. > > Can you please let me know how to configure SpamBayes to scan ALL my incoming > eMail ? > > Regards, Roland. > > _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 13/12/2007 9:15 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 14/12/2007 11:29 AM From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 14 21:42:08 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:42:08 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I use Spambayes with Gmail In-Reply-To: <9b8e368a0712141138s67b2e49dlde9eb814e69ab1af@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b8e368a0712141138s67b2e49dlde9eb814e69ab1af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18274.60064.563416.763149@montanaro.dyndns.org> John> I use firefox with Gmail. I have seen up to 100 email's a day I John> know some of them are ads. but they use Rich Text. and carry John> malware. As Jesse indicated, unless you actually use Gmail's POP3 support you won't have the opportunity to feed your email to SpamBayes. I also use Gmail and I am continually scratching my head about the behavior of their antispam capability. Lot's of false negatives (some unbelievably obvious - Hey Gmail!!! can't you tell by now that I think all email written in Korean is spam???) and enough false positives that I wind up having to go back and skim through hundreds or thousands of "spam" messages looking for several it misclassified as spam. Skip From fabrizio32 at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 14 22:04:38 2007 From: fabrizio32 at bellsouth.net (Alex Soave) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:04:38 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] The number of POP3 proxy ports specified must match the number of servers specified Message-ID: <000601c83e94$f137ff80$6101a8c0@Alex> The number of POP3 proxy ports specified Message: I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) (binary), with version 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 2). I have trained 0 ham and 0 spam. The problem I am having is [DESCRIBE YOUR PROBLEM HERE] Attach Log file: The number of POP3 proxy ports specified must match the number of servers specified -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071214/7653545a/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 14 23:07:15 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:07:15 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] The number of POP3 proxy ports specified must match the number of servers specified In-Reply-To: <000601c83e94$f137ff80$6101a8c0@Alex> References: <000601c83e94$f137ff80$6101a8c0@Alex> Message-ID: <18274.65171.70581.943630@montanaro.dyndns.org> Alex> The number of POP3 proxy ports specified must match the number of Alex> servers specified It sounds like you specified multiple POP3 servers to connect to. For each server you have to specify the port. So, if my server list is pop.myexample.com:mailhost.google.com I have to specify two ports: 110:110 even if I connect to all servers on port 110. Note that I'm not sure what separator you should use between the ports and servers. I'm guessing it's a colon, but it might very well be a comma. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.webfast.com/~skip/ From dave at boost-consulting.com Fri Dec 14 22:43:08 2007 From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:43:08 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Leaving for another tool. [BUG + FIX] References: <4759D24C.9080809@audiography.com.au> <18266.40816.800585.778742@montanaro.dyndns.org> <475AD7B7.4070708@cubiclesoft.com> <475B31E3.5030206@audiography.com.au> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E82D4@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <475EA3DF.6090200@cubiclesoft.com> Message-ID: <87lk7x2brn.fsf@grogan.peloton> on Tue Dec 11 2007, Thomas Hruska wrote: > To fix this, Spambayes needs to reclassify all messages selected by the > user and pick and choose which ones it actually needs to train on. > Here's the ruleset that should be used (PHP-like pseudocode based on > observations of the behavior of the POP3 proxy - sorry, I don't know > Python): > > $userclassification = $_POST["userclassify_" . $id]; > if ($userclassification == "Ham" || $userclassification == "Spam") > { > $reclassified = ClassifyTheOriginalMessage($id); > if ($reclassified != $userclassification) > { > TrainDatabaseWithMessage($id, $userclassification); > } > } > > That simple change (probably a 5 minute fix for the developers) will > keep the database really small no matter how users behave. I use the train-to-exhaustion script contrib/tte.py (on a cron job every night) which does something very similiar to that. Works very well. One reason you might be seeing bad results is that you have one or two misclassified messages (in a corpus that big, it's hard not to). One misclassification can cause things to go bad quickly. In fact, if you use tte.py, in addition to getting better results, you may be able to identify misclassifications. See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spambayes.devel/3902 -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com From dave at boost-consulting.com Fri Dec 14 22:47:06 2007 From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:47:06 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I use Spambayes with Gmail References: <9b8e368a0712141138s67b2e49dlde9eb814e69ab1af@mail.gmail.com> <18274.60064.563416.763149@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <877ijh2bl1.fsf@grogan.peloton> on Fri Dec 14 2007, skip-AT-pobox.com wrote: > John> I use firefox with Gmail. I have seen up to 100 email's a day I > John> know some of them are ads. but they use Rich Text. and carry > John> malware. > > As Jesse indicated, unless you actually use Gmail's POP3 support you won't > have the opportunity to feed your email to SpamBayes. Gmail supports IMAP now; you can use sb_imapfilter.py to filter your boxes before you start reading. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com From dave at boost-consulting.com Fri Dec 14 22:45:27 2007 From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <87fxy52bns.fsf@grogan.peloton> on Fri Dec 14 2007, chermesh wrote: > Isn't it a waste, to delete the complete contents of the folder? After all, > this folders presents e x a c t l y my notion of spam. Deleting the > contents meaning starting spambayes from scratch, and ignoring my unique > spam definition! contrib/tte.py can help prune out the redundant information in your training set. See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spambayes.devel/3927, though. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 14 23:36:49 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:36:49 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes sprint at PyCon? Message-ID: <18275.1409.189533.930403@montanaro.dyndns.org> Any interest in maybe having a SpamBayes sprint at PyCon in Chicago next March? Many readers of the spambayes at python.org mailing list probably won't have any idea what I'm referring to, so a brief explanation is in order. The open source world tends to be highly distributed. Two of the primary SpamBayes developera are in Australia. Others are in the US. A sprint is a place where a number of people get together to work on an open source project together. So, if we can get enough Python/SpamBayes programmers together at PyCon we might think about having a sprint. Skip From skip at pobox.com Sat Dec 15 02:35:53 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:35:53 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I use Spambayes with Gmail In-Reply-To: <877ijh2bl1.fsf@grogan.peloton> References: <9b8e368a0712141138s67b2e49dlde9eb814e69ab1af@mail.gmail.com> <18274.60064.563416.763149@montanaro.dyndns.org> <877ijh2bl1.fsf@grogan.peloton> Message-ID: <18275.12153.694794.688808@montanaro.dyndns.org> Dave> Gmail supports IMAP now; you can use sb_imapfilter.py to filter Dave> your boxes before you start reading. Thanks, that's interesting. Does it allow you to get at everything, even messages Gmail has helpful marked as spam? Skip From dave at boost-consulting.com Sat Dec 15 03:51:18 2007 From: dave at boost-consulting.com (Dave Abrahams) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:51:18 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I use Spambayes with Gmail In-Reply-To: <18275.12153.694794.688808@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <9b8e368a0712141138s67b2e49dlde9eb814e69ab1af@mail.gmail.com> <18274.60064.563416.763149@montanaro.dyndns.org> <877ijh2bl1.fsf@grogan.peloton> <18275.12153.694794.688808@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <7D7A56BC-FE1F-4689-84E3-0E6C4EC01C95@boost-consulting.com> Dunno; I haven't tried it yet. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:35 PM, skip at pobox.com wrote: > > Dave> Gmail supports IMAP now; you can use sb_imapfilter.py to > filter > Dave> your boxes before you start reading. > > Thanks, that's interesting. Does it allow you to get at everything, > even > messages Gmail has helpful marked as spam? > > Skip > > From j6going3over at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 06:03:30 2007 From: j6going3over at gmail.com (John Wight) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:03:30 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I use Spambayes with Gmail Message-ID: <9b8e368a0712142103x5220df28k5a937e8f74bf9e1@mail.gmail.com> How do I get sb_imapfilter.py? I looked in Google and saw a brunch of sites. I read about 20 sites and did not see anything on getting sb_imapfilter.py. I can't use anything that needs to be ran before using. Like spambayes-1.0.4.zip . It runs and then SpamBayes Tray Icon shows up. >From the commits I think its script. I don't how to run a script . Can somebody help me with scripts? I use windows XP Home SP2 on Fri Dec 14 2007, skip-AT-pobox.com wrote: > John> I use firefox with Gmail. I have seen up to 100 email's a day I > John> know some of them are ads. but they use Rich Text. and carry > John> malware. > > As Jesse indicated, unless you actually use Gmail's POP3 support you won't > have the opportunity to feed your email to SpamBayes. Gmail supports IMAP now; you can use sb_imapfilter.py to filter your boxes before you start reading. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com -- Johnboy From NBXAHFHVPQUE at spammotel.com Sat Dec 15 15:29:56 2007 From: NBXAHFHVPQUE at spammotel.com (chermesh) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:29:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder In-Reply-To: <87fxy52bns.fsf@grogan.peloton> References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fxy52bns.fsf@grogan.peloton> Message-ID: <14351254.post@talk.nabble.com> Dave, Your suggestion is up too high for me. How do I incorporate the contrib/tte.py in my run? Ran David Abrahams wrote: > > > on Fri Dec 14 2007, chermesh wrote: > >> Isn't it a waste, to delete the complete contents of the folder? After >> all, >> this folders presents e x a c t l y my notion of spam. Deleting the >> contents meaning starting spambayes from scratch, and ignoring my unique >> spam definition! > > contrib/tte.py can help prune out the redundant information in your > training set. See > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spambayes.devel/3927, though. > > -- > Dave Abrahams > Boost Consulting > http://www.boost-consulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Trimming-a-Junk-Email-folder-tp14311061p14351254.html Sent from the Spambayes - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From NBXAHFHVPQUE at spammotel.com Sat Dec 15 15:34:54 2007 From: NBXAHFHVPQUE at spammotel.com (chermesh) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:34:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E8D0F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E8D0F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <14351291.post@talk.nabble.com> Let me sum up your view. Since spambayes training period is short, you would suggest delete my around 5000 spam messages and start from scratch. This makes sense. Still, if I find a way to test David Abrahams' suggestion, I'll try it first. Ran Jesse Pelton wrote: > > Sorry; I didn't understand the intent of your original message. (I'm > not sure Skip did, either.) I don't retain spam myself, because a) the > messages sent by spammers evolves over time as they seek to get around > the latest anti-spam techniques, b) SpamBayes is easy and quick to > train, and c) it's just one more thing to manage. If I think SpamBayes > isn't doing as good a job as I'd like, I just start over from scratch. > (That doesn't generally happen more than once or twice a year.) Within > a couple of days and a few dozen messages trained on I'm generally > getting satisfactory results. > > Bottom line: I don't have any suggestions that address the question of > how to groom your spam. (Given my track record of late, I'm starting to > wonder if I'd be more use if I kept silent.) > > -jesse- > > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] > On Behalf Of chermesh > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:15 PM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder > > > Isn't it a waste, to delete the complete contents of the folder? After > all, > this folders presents e x a c t l y my notion of spam. Deleting the > contents meaning starting spambayes from scratch, and ignoring my unique > spam definition! > > Ran > > > Jesse Pelton wrote: >> >> Or just empty it. Select the folder, press Ctrl-A to select all the >> messages in it, and Shift-click the delete button (looks like an X) on >> the Outlook toolbar to permanently delete the messages. Shouldn't > take >> more than a few seconds. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] >> On Behalf Of skip at pobox.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 7:41 AM >> To: chermesh >> Cc: spambayes at python.org >> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder >> >> >> chermesh> Still, a long use creates a problem, my Junk Email > folder >> grew >> chermesh> into a monster, around 5000 items.... As long as the >> folder >> chermesh> was smaller, I used to do it manually, but a few weeks > of >> chermesh> neglect, led it to its present state. Can you suggest a >> chermesh> substitute to the manual procedure? >> >> Delete it completely and start from scratch? >> >> Skip >> _______________________________________________ >> SpamBayes at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >> Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html >> _______________________________________________ >> SpamBayes at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >> Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Trimming-a-Junk-Email-folder-tp14311061p14339749.h > tml > Sent from the Spambayes - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Trimming-a-Junk-Email-folder-tp14311061p14351291.html Sent from the Spambayes - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From skip at pobox.com Sat Dec 15 16:00:05 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:00:05 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I use Spambayes with Gmail In-Reply-To: <9b8e368a0712142103x5220df28k5a937e8f74bf9e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b8e368a0712142103x5220df28k5a937e8f74bf9e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18275.60405.501409.620057@montanaro.dyndns.org> John> How do I get sb_imapfilter.py? It's part of SpamBayes. John> I looked in Google and saw a brunch of sites. I read about 20 sites John> and did not see anything on getting sb_imapfilter.py. I'm not a Windows person, so I'm not sure how best to install it. If I was doing this I would install a current version of Python (2.5.1, which is available as a Windows installer), then download the SpamBayes source and install it from a command shell. Others here with more Windows savvy than me can probably offer better suggestions. Skip From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Sat Dec 15 22:35:29 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:35:29 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder In-Reply-To: <14351291.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E8D0F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14351291.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <476448A1.6090805@cubiclesoft.com> chermesh wrote: > Let me sum up your view. Since spambayes training period is short, you would > suggest delete my around 5000 spam messages and start from scratch. This > makes sense. Still, if I find a way to test David Abrahams' suggestion, I'll > try it first. > > Ran I have about 60 messages in my training database now over the course of the past few days (following my own "train just one message" rule of thumb). This method seems to be holding its own against my previous 60,000+ message database. Plus it is WAY faster. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From alpacasrus at hughes.net Sat Dec 15 20:42:38 2007 From: alpacasrus at hughes.net (jvollmecke) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:42:38 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Window pop up. Message-ID: <000001c83f52$af3df300$0200a8c0@Vollmeckes> Hello, I'm unused to computers, but 'keep getting a window saying: Please select spambayes manager and run configuration wizard to reconfigure filter. Please advise. As I mentioned, I haven't a clue!\ Thanks Ms. Glen Vollmecke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071215/7465165a/attachment.htm From skennedy at sdkk.net Sun Dec 16 15:19:39 2007 From: skennedy at sdkk.net (Shawn Kennedy) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:19:39 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Doesn't like me!! Message-ID: <000001c83fee$b1f52ae0$fd00a8c0@newoffice> Hello, After months of sucessfully running of SpamBayes 1.0.4, I opened Outlook 2003 (latest updates) on my Windows XP Pro SP2 (latest updates) and received the dreaed "Spambayes must be disabled" message from Outlook. I followed the information in the troubleshooting docs: 1) I tried to recheck the Com check box, wouldn't stay checked 2) I deleted the toolbar and it did not recreate, even after reregistering the DLL and running the addin. 3) I tried to re-enable the disabled items via Outlook and it still complains so I then deleted everything (uninstall) and then enabled the disabled item - no complaint. When I reinstalled, my problem is back and still no SpamBayes toolbar. 4) I even did a "reair" MS Office to no avail. Nothing in any logfile that appears usefull (only thing in the spambayes logfile is the reinsall of SpamBayes). Any ideas? Than you ever so much!! Shawn skennedy at sdkk.net From skennedy at sdkk.net Sun Dec 16 16:44:02 2007 From: skennedy at sdkk.net (Shawn Kennedy) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:44:02 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Doesn't like me!! - Solved Message-ID: <000001c83ffa$7b763f20$fd00a8c0@newoffice> Ah-ha! After digging around (more), I figured out it was DEP got turned on and SpamBayes doesn't work under that condition! Turned DEP to just the core WIndows components and I'm back in business!! > Hello, > > After months of sucessfully running of SpamBayes 1.0.4, I > opened Outlook 2003 (latest updates) on my Windows XP Pro > SP2 (latest updates) and received the dreaed "Spambayes > must be disabled" message from Outlook. I followed > the information in the troubleshooting docs: > > 1) I tried to recheck the Com check box, wouldn't stay checked > 2) I deleted the toolbar and it did not recreate, even after > reregistering the DLL and running the addin. > 3) I tried to re-enable the disabled items via Outlook > and it still complains so I then deleted everything > (uninstall) and then enabled the disabled item - no > complaint. When I reinstalled, my problem is back > and still no SpamBayes toolbar. > 4) I even did a "reair" MS Office to no avail. > > Nothing in any logfile that appears usefull (only > thing in the spambayes logfile is the reinsall of SpamBayes). > > Any ideas? > > Than you ever so much!! From j6going3over at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 17:52:11 2007 From: j6going3over at gmail.com (John Wight) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:52:11 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I use Spambayes with Gmail Message-ID: <9b8e368a0712160852x50f56b8am57930ad68204469@mail.gmail.com> Anyone here running sb_imapfilter.py on Windows? if so, how do you installed it. I use Gmail for my email, I am using Firefox for browser. And Yahoo for ISP. I have seen up to 100 spam every day. I remove all spam as soon as I can. Every night I run CCleaner. It finds all spam. Then I run the latest d/l of Spybot - Search & Destroy, and AVG Anti-Spyware, and RootkitReveal. I have avast! Antivirus and COMODO Firewall Pro runnig and D/d every time they ask me too. It possible, I would like to run sb_imapfilter.py on Gmail before I read messages. -- Johnboy From dave at boost-consulting.com Mon Dec 17 03:17:30 2007 From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E8D0F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14351291.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <87zlwayshx.fsf@grogan.peloton> on Sat Dec 15 2007, chermesh wrote: > Let me sum up your view. Since spambayes training period is short, you would > suggest delete my around 5000 spam messages and start from scratch. This > makes sense. Still, if I find a way to test David Abrahams' suggestion, I'll > try it first. I suggest you take Jesse's advice. Running tte.py on 5000 messages will be slow, and won't necessarily give you better results. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com From NBXAHFHVPQUE at spammotel.com Mon Dec 17 08:12:33 2007 From: NBXAHFHVPQUE at spammotel.com (chermesh) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:12:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spambayes] Trimming a Junk Email folder In-Reply-To: <87zlwayshx.fsf@grogan.peloton> References: <14311061.post@talk.nabble.com> <18273.10315.832567.973928@montanaro.dyndns.org> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E89BA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14339749.post@talk.nabble.com> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9062E8D0F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <14351291.post@talk.nabble.com> <87zlwayshx.fsf@grogan.peloton> Message-ID: <14370110.post@talk.nabble.com> Thanks. I will follow your suggestion. David Abrahams wrote: > > > on Sat Dec 15 2007, chermesh wrote: > >> Let me sum up your view. Since spambayes training period is short, you >> would >> suggest delete my around 5000 spam messages and start from scratch. This >> makes sense. Still, if I find a way to test David Abrahams' suggestion, >> I'll >> try it first. > > I suggest you take Jesse's advice. Running tte.py on 5000 messages > will be slow, and won't necessarily give you better results. > > > -- > Dave Abrahams > Boost Consulting > http://www.boost-consulting.com > > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Trimming-a-Junk-Email-folder-tp14311061p14370110.html Sent from the Spambayes - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jsp at PKC.com Mon Dec 17 15:16:54 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:16:54 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Window pop up. In-Reply-To: <000001c83f52$af3df300$0200a8c0@Vollmeckes> References: <000001c83f52$af3df300$0200a8c0@Vollmeckes> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90636CDD4@PKCVT01.pkc.com> On the Outlook toolbar, there should be a button labeled "SpamBayes." Click that, and a menu should drop down, with "SpamBayes Manager..." the first item on the menu. When you select that item, a dialog with a bunch of tabs should display. Near the bottom right corner is a button labeled "Configuration Wizard..." Click that and follow the directions. If you don't understand what the wizard is asking you to do, ask! ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of jvollmecke Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:43 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Window pop up. Hello, I'm unused to computers, but 'keep getting a window saying: Please select spambayes manager and run configuration wizard to reconfigure filter. Please advise. As I mentioned, I haven't a clue!\ Thanks Ms. Glen Vollmecke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071217/32e6423e/attachment.htm From cathy at prostbuilders.com Mon Dec 17 18:36:34 2007 From: cathy at prostbuilders.com (Cathy Coziahr) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:36:34 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] dumped emails????? Message-ID: <01d201c840d3$5e7df7d0$6401a8c0@pbi.local> Help!! I've read all the FAQs but can't find an answer to my question. I'm using XP Pro and 1.0.4 version of Spambays. This morning I came in and my "suspect" and "junk" files were gone and when I opened Outlook it filtered through my emails and dumped what it thought might be suspect and junk somewhere that I cannot find. I think there were a couple of valid emails and I need to retrieve them - but where from? Can you help? Cathy Coziahr Operations Senior VP Prost Builders, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071217/2fe41cd5/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Mon Dec 17 18:43:57 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] dumped emails????? In-Reply-To: <01d201c840d3$5e7df7d0$6401a8c0@pbi.local> References: <01d201c840d3$5e7df7d0$6401a8c0@pbi.local> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90636CEBB@PKCVT01.pkc.com> You may have overlooked a FAQ entry that could be relevant: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Cathy Coziahr Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 12:37 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] dumped emails????? Help!! I've read all the FAQs but can't find an answer to my question. I'm using XP Pro and 1.0.4 version of Spambays. This morning I came in and my "suspect" and "junk" files were gone and when I opened Outlook it filtered through my emails and dumped what it thought might be suspect and junk somewhere that I cannot find. I think there were a couple of valid emails and I need to retrieve them - but where from? Can you help? Cathy Coziahr Operations Senior VP Prost Builders, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071217/171efd19/attachment.htm From csjrswofford at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 17 22:28:13 2007 From: csjrswofford at bellsouth.net (Carl) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:28:13 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] dumped emails????? In-Reply-To: <01d201c840d3$5e7df7d0$6401a8c0@pbi.local> Message-ID: <086d01c840f3$bc24ad50$6101a8c0@carlsw> Cathy, if you don't find the folders in your deleted folders, look at your list of folders. Click on the + sign of any folders that have the + to the left. I have inadvertently moved suspect and junk folders a couple of times. Carl Swofford -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Cathy Coziahr Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 12:37 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] dumped emails????? Help!! I've read all the FAQs but can't find an answer to my question. I'm using XP Pro and 1.0.4 version of Spambays. This morning I came in and my "suspect" and "junk" files were gone and when I opened Outlook it filtered through my emails and dumped what it thought might be suspect and junk somewhere that I cannot find. I think there were a couple of valid emails and I need to retrieve them - but where from? Can you help? Cathy Coziahr Operations Senior VP Prost Builders, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071218/a7b026dd/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Wed Dec 19 15:28:52 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:28:52 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows Mail - Vista In-Reply-To: <2C26621D48A04D64BAC97AB811C567A5@ToshibaLaptop> References: <2C26621D48A04D64BAC97AB811C567A5@ToshibaLaptop> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90636D248@PKCVT01.pkc.com> I don't have any experience with Windows Mail, but odds are you can configure it to work with SpamBayes. I don't know whether it can use Outlook plugins, but I'd be a bit surprised if it could, since it's positioned as a successor to Outlook Express. Presumably you can configure it similarly to Outlook Express. Note, though, that Windows Mail supposedly has Bayesian filtering built in. You may not need SpamBayes at all. Furthermore, Windows Mail has already been succeeded by Windows Live Mail, which is claimed to have a superset of the features in Windows Mail. See http://get.live.com/. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Porter Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:08 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Windows Mail - Vista The FAQ 2.1 states Spambayes will work under Windows Vista, but the referenced link discusses Outlook. The email prgram under Vista is now called Windows Mail, not Outlook. So, my question is does it specifically work with Windows Mail under Vista? I just got a new computer with Vista and Windows Mail. I had Outlook and XP on the old computer and used Sapmbayes and loved it. Thanks, Patrick Porter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Zachary Sloane Website: http://zteknology.com Website: http://getztek.com E-Mail: zack at zteknology.com E-Mail: zack at getztek.com Phone: 818.917.2529 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071219/59c5a369/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Wed Dec 19 16:05:16 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:05:16 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows Mail - Vista In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90636D248@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <2C26621D48A04D64BAC97AB811C567A5@ToshibaLaptop> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90636D248@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <18281.13100.193255.614190@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jesse, Do I have this set of relationships right? Outlook Express begat Windows Mail which begat Windows Live Mail, while Outlook remains as before? Skip From jsp at PKC.com Wed Dec 19 16:21:36 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:21:36 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows Mail - Vista In-Reply-To: <18281.13100.193255.614190@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <2C26621D48A04D64BAC97AB811C567A5@ToshibaLaptop> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90636D248@PKCVT01.pkc.com> <18281.13100.193255.614190@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90636D278@PKCVT01.pkc.com> I think that's right, though I'm not sure how much Outlook Express and Windows Mail have in common under the hood. I'm relying on wikipedia's information; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Mail. -----Original Message----- From: skip at pobox.com [mailto:skip at pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:05 AM To: Jesse Pelton Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows Mail - Vista Jesse, Do I have this set of relationships right? Outlook Express begat Windows Mail which begat Windows Live Mail, while Outlook remains as before? Skip From grp_eee at yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 19:17:57 2007 From: grp_eee at yahoo.com (gpr) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:17:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spambayes] Can spammers easily sneak through the SpamBayes filter ? Message-ID: <14422190.post@talk.nabble.com> Can spammers easily sneak through the SpamBayes statistical filters easily - for example how about a spam message with good words camouflaged (in something like white color) and only spam content visible to the user. When the filter comes across the message the spam score would lean towards lower value and would sneak through the filter. How does SpamBayes address such spam techniques? Thank you, Ram -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Can-spammers-easily-sneak-through-the-SpamBayes-filter---tp14422190p14422190.html Sent from the Spambayes - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mharris at rice.edu Wed Dec 19 18:44:00 2007 From: mharris at rice.edu (Mayfield Harris) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:44:00 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility. Message-ID: <11F0C0E2F65F4B46BAF1BACD280052EA426192@EXCHANGE-C1.ad.rice.edu> Is Spambayes compatible with Vista, exchange and outlook 2007. ************************* Mayfield Harris Sr. PC System Administrator Rice University - Houston, Tx. 6100 Main - Mailstop 119 Houston, Texas 77005 Phone: 713-348-4642 Fax: 713-348-6099 ************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071219/303c0023/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Wed Dec 19 20:12:29 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Can spammers easily sneak through the SpamBayes filter ? In-Reply-To: <14422190.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <14422190.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90636D31C@PKCVT01.pkc.com> I don't know the mathematics behind it, but I can say that I've had very good results with SpamBayes for years, during which time spammers' techniques have evolved considerably. One of the strengths of a Bayesian filter is that it gets trained on the messages you actually receive, so it tends to adapt to such changes. (If I don't think it's well-trained for the messages I'm currently receiving, I tend to delete my training database and start fresh, since training is easy and quick.) SpamBayes looks at message headers as well as the message body, and this may help it to correctly classify messages that use tricks in the message bodies. Bottom line: in my experience, spammers cannot easily get by SpamBayes. Of course, there's no guarantee that this is everyone's experience, or that it will remain true for me forever. One of the odd things about SpamBayes is that it works much better than it seems it should, though, and as long as that's the case, I plan to keep using it. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of gpr Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 1:18 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Can spammers easily sneak through the SpamBayes filter ? Can spammers easily sneak through the SpamBayes statistical filters easily - for example how about a spam message with good words camouflaged (in something like white color) and only spam content visible to the user. When the filter comes across the message the spam score would lean towards lower value and would sneak through the filter. How does SpamBayes address such spam techniques? Thank you, Ram -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Can-spammers-easily-sneak-through-the-SpamBayes-fi lter---tp14422190p14422190.html Sent from the Spambayes - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From jsp at PKC.com Wed Dec 19 20:14:50 2007 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:14:50 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility. In-Reply-To: <11F0C0E2F65F4B46BAF1BACD280052EA426192@EXCHANGE-C1.ad.rice.edu> References: <11F0C0E2F65F4B46BAF1BACD280052EA426192@EXCHANGE-C1.ad.rice.edu> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F90636D31F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Please see the FAQ: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-on-windows -vista. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Mayfield Harris Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:44 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility. Is Spambayes compatible with Vista, exchange and outlook 2007. ************************* Mayfield Harris Sr. PC System Administrator Rice University - Houston, Tx. 6100 Main - Mailstop 119 Houston, Texas 77005 Phone: 713-348-4642 Fax: 713-348-6099 ************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071219/bcbade7a/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Wed Dec 19 20:16:23 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:16:23 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Can spammers easily sneak through the SpamBayes filter ? In-Reply-To: <14422190.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <14422190.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <18281.28167.700532.979923@montanaro.dyndns.org> gpr> Can spammers easily sneak through the SpamBayes statistical filters gpr> easily - for example how about a spam message with good words gpr> camouflaged (in something like white color) and only spam content gpr> visible to the user. When the filter comes across the message the gpr> spam score would lean towards lower value and would sneak through gpr> the filter. SpamBayes doesn't see an email message the way you would, after your mail program or web browser renders portions of it. It sees it as simply a stream of words. So if the message contains something like this: The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. the HTML tag gets stripped out and it processes The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. Skip From stromfan at hotmail.com Thu Dec 20 04:53:52 2007 From: stromfan at hotmail.com (stromfan at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:53:52 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071220/102d229f/attachment.htm From stromfan at hotmail.com Thu Dec 20 07:31:14 2007 From: stromfan at hotmail.com (stromfan at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:31:14 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071220/a9ca0dd7/attachment.htm From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu Dec 20 14:12:50 2007 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:12:50 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows Mail - Vista In-Reply-To: <2C26621D48A04D64BAC97AB811C567A5@ToshibaLaptop> References: <2C26621D48A04D64BAC97AB811C567A5@ToshibaLaptop> Message-ID: Are you sure that "Windows Mail" is the equivalent of Outlook? Office 2007 (which is the latest version and which I believe runs under Vista) still calls it Outlook. Bob From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Porter Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:08 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Windows Mail - Vista The FAQ 2.1 states Spambayes will work under Windows Vista, but the referenced link discusses Outlook. The email prgram under Vista is now called Windows Mail, not Outlook. So, my question is does it specifically work with Windows Mail under Vista? I just got a new computer with Vista and Windows Mail. I had Outlook and XP on the old computer and used Sapmbayes and loved it. Thanks, Patrick Porter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071220/184e0c07/attachment.htm From DArnold at Yomchi.org Sun Dec 23 04:49:32 2007 From: DArnold at Yomchi.org (Douglas Arnold) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:49:32 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Help Message-ID: I upgraded to Microsoft Vista and Outlook 2007 I have SpamBayes version 1.0.4 It was working with Outlook until I upgraded from XP to Vista. It still works (I think) but every time I start Outlook I get the following error message (See attached screen shot) I tried unloading and reloading SpamBayes but to no avail I looked through the page at sourceforge and could not find anything either. HELP Douglas Arnold THANKS! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071222/a7dcdf79/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBlockerError.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 26888 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071222/a7dcdf79/attachment.jpg From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Sun Dec 23 23:21:14 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:21:14 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem building 1.0.4 under Python 2.5 Message-ID: <476EDF5A.7060209@cubiclesoft.com> Okay, I've followed the directions in README-DEVEL.txt and the final sb_tray.exe refuses to do anything. Python 2.5.1 w/ py2exe (latest), resourcepackage (latest), pywin32 (latest) InnoSetup 5.2.2 Spambayes 1.0.4 Modified the .iss script so it would work properly under IS 5.x. I also altered the setup_all.py script as per some website I found so it didn't barf on the Outlook typelib stuff (I have Outlook 2003 but don't use it and don't think I've got Outlook 2000 anywhere). It now doesn't locate any typelibs, but that's fine. Here's a list of things that py2exe can't find: ['Entrian', 'FCNTL', 'OpenSSL', '_pybsddb', 'bsddb3', 'bsddb3.dbutils', 'email.Encoders', 'email.Errors', 'email.Generator', 'email.Header', 'email.Iterators', 'email.MIMEAudio', 'email.MIMEBase', 'email.MIMEImage', 'email.MIMEMultipart', 'email.MIMEText', 'email.Message', 'email.Parser', 'email.Utils', 'email.base64MIME', 'exchange', 'exchdapi', 'gdbm', 'psycopg', 'pywin.dialogs', 'pywin.dialogs.list', 'resource', 'twisted.internet.app'] From what I've read, most of that stuff is unimportant. However, I figure the 'email.*' stuff is fairly critical and the cause of my problem. How it managed to successfully build without critical components is weird. Running sb_server.py from the command-line works fine - only the py2exe-based stuff is hosed. The website says Spambayes builds the e-mail stuff with 2.2.2 and later out of the box...that would include 2.5.1. What do I need to do to get this to build under 2.5? I'd rather not re-install Python. It was a pain to install in the first place and hosed portions of my dev. environment. I'd rather apply a patch to some file. I found some website in a foreign language that supposedly has a fix specifically for this but it didn't make a whole lot of sense: http://www.developpez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=348257 -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Mon Dec 24 06:26:24 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:26:24 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem building 1.0.4 under Python 2.5 In-Reply-To: <476EDF5A.7060209@cubiclesoft.com> References: <476EDF5A.7060209@cubiclesoft.com> Message-ID: <476F4300.5030607@cubiclesoft.com> Thomas Hruska wrote: > Okay, I've followed the directions in README-DEVEL.txt and the final > sb_tray.exe refuses to do anything. > > Python 2.5.1 w/ py2exe (latest), resourcepackage (latest), pywin32 (latest) > InnoSetup 5.2.2 > Spambayes 1.0.4 > > Modified the .iss script so it would work properly under IS 5.x. I also > altered the setup_all.py script as per some website I found so it didn't > barf on the Outlook typelib stuff (I have Outlook 2003 but don't use it > and don't think I've got Outlook 2000 anywhere). It now doesn't locate > any typelibs, but that's fine. > > Here's a list of things that py2exe can't find: > > ['Entrian', 'FCNTL', 'OpenSSL', '_pybsddb', 'bsddb3', 'bsddb3.dbutils', > 'email.Encoders', 'email.Errors', 'email.Generator', 'email.Header', > 'email.Iterators', 'email.MIMEAudio', 'email.MIMEBase', > 'email.MIMEImage', 'email.MIMEMultipart', 'email.MIMEText', > 'email.Message', 'email.Parser', 'email.Utils', 'email.base64MIME', > 'exchange', 'exchdapi', 'gdbm', 'psycopg', 'pywin.dialogs', > 'pywin.dialogs.list', 'resource', 'twisted.internet.app'] > > From what I've read, most of that stuff is unimportant. However, I > figure the 'email.*' stuff is fairly critical and the cause of my > problem. How it managed to successfully build without critical > components is weird. Running sb_server.py from the command-line works > fine - only the py2exe-based stuff is hosed. The website says Spambayes > builds the e-mail stuff with 2.2.2 and later out of the box...that would > include 2.5.1. > > What do I need to do to get this to build under 2.5? I'd rather not > re-install Python. It was a pain to install in the first place and > hosed portions of my dev. environment. I'd rather apply a patch to some > file. I found some website in a foreign language that supposedly has a > fix specifically for this but it didn't make a whole lot of sense: > > http://www.developpez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=348257 I've figured out the problem: Case-sensitivity. py2exe treats imports as case-sensitive and the email package in Python 2.5 changed to all lower-case. However, even the email package references itself using the older naming scheme. My really lame solution was to go through both the Python AND Spambayes directories and edit the files that referenced the old email package so that they use the new email package. Only then did py2exe stop complaining and the final app. appear to start working properly. Obviously a terrible long-term solution, but I'm not really going for long-term. This is more along the lines of a 'mostly functional hack'. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Tue Dec 25 20:14:28 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:14:28 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Bugs? Yup. Fixes? Definitely. Downloadable installer and patches? Yes. Message-ID: <47715694.607@cubiclesoft.com> [For those interested in an installable build of 1.0.4 with my fixes and/or want to see the source code modifications I've made, scroll down] While applying the modifications I suggested a couple weeks ago, I'm fairly (99%) certain I've run into at least one critical bug in the Spambayes 1.0.4 POP3 proxy. If you use the proxy, read on. 1) Messages are not saved in their original format. There is actually a hack that _should NOT exist_ in Corpus.py that is referenced from ProxyUI.py: ----- ProxyUI.py ----- # fromCache is a fix for sf #851785. # See the comments in Corpus.py targetCorpus.takeMessage(id, sourceCorpus, fromCache=True) ----- ProxyUI.py ----- ----- Corpus.py ----- # If the notate_to or notate_subject options are set, then the # message in the cache has this information, and it will get used # in training, which is not ideal. So if that option is set, strip # that data before training. The only time I can see this failing # is if the option is changed at some point, so older messages # don't have the notation, but some other program did do the same # notation, which would be lost. This shouldn't be a big deal, # though. if fromCache: ...Modify message to attempt to make it look like the original... ----- Corpus.py ----- This hack is WRONG. Training on messages that include the modified headers is also WRONG (as far as I can tell, the code doesn't undo that either - but having to undo anything in the first place is WRONG). Training should only be done using the original, unmodified message. It is difficult to impossible to revert a modified message back to its original state. 2) sb_server.py classifies a message and modifies the headers but does not save a copy of the original message. Instead, it saves the modified message. It should save a copy of the original message for training purposes. 3) message.py does not offer any method of retrieving/storing a copy of the original message. This seems like the most logical place but would probably be hard to implement here. My improvement/fix: Due to the nature of how the POP3 proxy operates, it would be seriously detrimental to either performance or usability if the modified message were eliminated altogether. Also, changing how messages are stored would probably create a disaster of modifications to the entire code base. Therefore, the simplest (and only _somewhat_ hacky) solution is to create an 'unknown-orig' ExpiryFileCorpus cache that tracks the original message for training purposes. For those who are interested in my solution and use the POP3 proxy, here's the Windows installer version: http://www.cubiclesoft.com/Unrelated/spambayes-1.0.4.exe That applies all the recommended changes I've made to date to the 1.0.4 branch. You can train on any message and Spambayes defends itself from letting its database get too large by rejecting messages that are already classified correctly. It does this by running the original message through the classifier before training on the message - thus training only on "mistakes and unsures" as per the recommendations of the developers. Since each message trained alters the database, I've factored this fact in as well*. You could train on 10 messages or 60,000 messages and Spambayes will still correctly pick and choose what to train on. In layman's terms: Spambayes is smarter than before. * The changes I've made allow you to train on more than one message at a time. If you've been following along with my recent rants, you know that the existing 1.0.4 has some major statistical issues with training beyond one message at a time. If you train on a message that would already be classified that way, the database flattens out over time and Spambayes will eventually not be able to figure out what is ham and what is spam. Additionally, really large databases (e.g. 30,000+ messages) have performance issues. Consider wiping your Spambayes database and staring over after installing this - especially if you have more trained on more than 2000 messages. The entire database so far was based on training on modified messages (not the original messages!). There is a new configuration option in the Advanced configuration page of the POP3 proxy for controlling the name of the directory used for the original message cache. For those who want to see my changes (12MB file): http://www.cubiclesoft.com/Unrelated/spambayes-1.0.4.zip That contains all the source code modifications I made, binaries, etc. The two most critical modifications are in sb_server.py and ProxyUI.py. I heavily commented my changes in ProxyUI.py. I also updated the InnoSetup script to build properly under InnoSetup 5.2.2. This took: 4 hours to learn the basics of Python and how Spambayes works. 30 minutes to apply my fixes. 12 hours to get the darn thing to build properly under Python 2.5.1. Sort of. I'm fairly certain I hosed the Outlook add-in part of the build really good due to not having Outlook 2000. A few hours of testing (spanned over several days). Total time spent on getting this all working was roughly 20 hours. Time I'd rather have spent doing something else. However, I'm quite happy with the result. And all this is from someone who doesn't know Python**. Probably not the most inspiring/reassuring statement, but I'll leave it up to the developers to decide if my modifications are sound enough to merge into the 1.0.4 branch (and hopefully good enough to consider releasing a 1.0.5). They might not go for the 2.5-specific changes due to the email w/ py2exe package problems (case-sensitivity issues in py2exe), but it would be nice if they did. ** I can edit code in almost any programming language without actually knowing the language. Merry Christmas! I can't think of a better Christmas present than to know there will be more spam blocked next year thanks to my changes to Spambayes. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From amedee at amedee.be Wed Dec 26 13:10:37 2007 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:10:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Bugs? Yup. Fixes? Definitely. Downloadable installer and patches? Yes. In-Reply-To: <47715694.607@cubiclesoft.com> References: <47715694.607@cubiclesoft.com> Message-ID: <43231.193.121.250.194.1198671037.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Tue, December 25, 2007 20:14, Thomas Hruska wrote: > [For those interested in an installable build of 1.0.4 with my fixes > and/or want to see the source code modifications I've made, scroll down] > > > While applying the modifications I suggested a couple weeks ago, I'm > fairly (99%) certain I've run into at least one critical bug in the > Spambayes 1.0.4 POP3 proxy. If you use the proxy, read on. *snippety snip* I use the procmail filter, does it apply for me? -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From amedee at amedee.be Wed Dec 26 13:25:27 2007 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:25:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Problem building 1.0.4 under Python 2.5 In-Reply-To: <476F4300.5030607@cubiclesoft.com> References: <476EDF5A.7060209@cubiclesoft.com> <476F4300.5030607@cubiclesoft.com> Message-ID: <58546.193.121.250.194.1198671927.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Mon, December 24, 2007 06:26, Thomas Hruska wrote: > I've figured out the problem: Case-sensitivity. py2exe treats imports > as case-sensitive and the email package in Python 2.5 changed to all > lower-case. However, even the email package references itself using the > older naming scheme. This is logical. You are using a programming language that was designed on a Unix system (well... sort of. Unix-ish, this is blurred by the mists of history). Python is shipped as a standard component in all operating systems of the Unix family: Unix, Linux, BSD, Solaris, MacOS,... Unix-like operating systems have always been case sensitive, or at least since the early seventies. Python was invented in the early nineties. It is only in the early zeroties that Python was ported to case-insensitive operating systems like Windows. I know case sensitivity is tricky for people who code in Visual Basic, but for C coders it should come natural. What is your language of choice? -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From matkatamiba at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 14:20:07 2007 From: matkatamiba at gmail.com (Matkat) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:20:07 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Help Please! 90% there... Message-ID: <6345b56f0712260520t7d9006b2ue86fdd189aba26cb@mail.gmail.com> I've been using the Outlook add-in of SB for years, but MS in its wisdom decided to disable Outlook when I upgraded my PC's memory. I can't find the original CD to re-install so I am switching to Pegasus Mail. I have installed the new SpamBayes version for non-Outlook mail programs, configured it, set my Pegasus Mail to localhost, and am almost there but my mail server does not recognize my user name or password when I try to retrieve mail. It is receiving the request from Pegasus Mail because I get a Pegasus Mail error message saying my user name and passwords are unrecognized by the mail server. Pegasus Mail picks up mail fine when it is pointed directly at the mail server (not via Spambayes localhost). I've looked through all the SpamBayes install files and troubleshooting files but can't find anyting related to this problem. The correct user name and password is being sent - just not recognized. Any ideas? I'm using Windsows XP Pegasus Mail v4 SpamBayes 1.0.4 (just downloaded today) Using Port 110 (it works) Thanks, Chuck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, even the email package references itself using the >> older naming scheme. > > This is logical. > > You are using a programming language that was designed on a Unix system > (well... sort of. Unix-ish, this is blurred by the mists of history). > Python is shipped as a standard component in all operating systems of the > Unix family: Unix, Linux, BSD, Solaris, MacOS,... > Unix-like operating systems have always been case sensitive, or at least > since the early seventies. > > Python was invented in the early nineties. > > It is only in the early zeroties that Python was ported to > case-insensitive operating systems like Windows. But this is a bug in py2exe. Python itself works just fine. py2exe is associating what .py files to bytecode compile based on the imports used. When I changed _ALL_ references that _used_ to have uppercase letters to lowercase to match the filenames (the email package switched to all lowercase in Python 2.5), the problem went away. This includes the email package itself (i.e. someone switched to lowercase but then forgot to modify the email package completely to lowercase). As far as I can tell, this has nothing to do with the OS. > I know case sensitivity is tricky for people who code in Visual Basic, but > for C coders it should come natural. > What is your language of choice? C++ (Safe C++ to be specific). Or PHP. Depends on what I'm developing. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Wed Dec 26 15:43:50 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:43:50 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Bugs? Yup. Fixes? Definitely. Downloadable installer and patches? Yes. In-Reply-To: <43231.193.121.250.194.1198671037.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> References: <47715694.607@cubiclesoft.com> <43231.193.121.250.194.1198671037.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> Message-ID: <477268A6.9010705@cubiclesoft.com> Amedee Van Gasse wrote: > On Tue, December 25, 2007 20:14, Thomas Hruska wrote: >> [For those interested in an installable build of 1.0.4 with my fixes >> and/or want to see the source code modifications I've made, scroll down] >> >> >> While applying the modifications I suggested a couple weeks ago, I'm >> fairly (99%) certain I've run into at least one critical bug in the >> Spambayes 1.0.4 POP3 proxy. If you use the proxy, read on. > > *snippety snip* > > I use the procmail filter, does it apply for me? I'm pretty sure my changes are specific to the POP3 proxy. However, glancing at the source to sb_filter.py and hammie.py, I'd say you have the same problems (Spambayes doesn't operate on the original message AND doesn't filter out messages it shouldn't train on). I'm only interested in the POP3 proxy though since that's what I use. That and I'm not familiar enough with procmail to be comfortable making changes for it. Look at the changes I made in sb_server.py and ProxyUI.py. BTW, I've been using my modified version of Spambayes for the past few days and it has been working like a charm. Just this morning I selected 25 messages to train on and it only trained on 16 of those - Spambayes decided it didn't need the other 9 messages since they were classified correctly. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From mlarco at larco-office.com Wed Dec 26 16:17:54 2007 From: mlarco at larco-office.com (Mike) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:17:54 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <20071226152012.70D631E4018@bag.python.org> Michael A Larco 56804 Mound Rd Shelby Twp., MI 48316 586.207.6461 586.992.3004 Facsimile mlarco at larco-office.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071226/4dfb5b42/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Wed Dec 26 18:23:27 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:23:27 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem building 1.0.4 under Python 2.5 In-Reply-To: <58546.193.121.250.194.1198671927.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> References: <476EDF5A.7060209@cubiclesoft.com> <476F4300.5030607@cubiclesoft.com> <58546.193.121.250.194.1198671927.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> Message-ID: <18290.36367.639719.164471@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amedee> Python was invented in the early nineties. Amedee> It is only in the early zeroties that Python was ported to Amedee> case-insensitive operating systems like Windows. Actually, Mac OS (something much less than X) was the original platform on which Python was developed. I'm pretty sure it was ported to Windows before 2000 as well. Skip From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Thu Dec 27 04:44:25 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:44:25 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem building 1.0.4 under Python 2.5 In-Reply-To: <18290.36367.639719.164471@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <476EDF5A.7060209@cubiclesoft.com> <476F4300.5030607@cubiclesoft.com> <58546.193.121.250.194.1198671927.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> <18290.36367.639719.164471@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <47731F99.5050401@cubiclesoft.com> skip at pobox.com wrote: > Amedee> Python was invented in the early nineties. > > Amedee> It is only in the early zeroties that Python was ported to > Amedee> case-insensitive operating systems like Windows. > > Actually, Mac OS (something much less than X) was the original platform on > which Python was developed. I'm pretty sure it was ported to Windows before > 2000 as well. > > Skip Completely useless tidbit of information: Forgot to point out that all NT-based OSes (NT/2000/XP/2003/Vista) are actually case-sensitive. If you look at the API calls for the underlying file I/O in the kernel calls itself, NT goes out of its way to be case-insensitive. NT was probably case-sensitive until some user testing was performed and case-insensitivity was thrown in as a last-minute sort of thing. The NT kernel is still quite capable of being case-sensitive, but that requires bypassing the user-mode file I/O APIs. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From amedee at amedee.be Thu Dec 27 10:56:31 2007 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:56:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] Problem building 1.0.4 under Python 2.5 In-Reply-To: <47726360.8000703@cubiclesoft.com> References: <476EDF5A.7060209@cubiclesoft.com> <476F4300.5030607@cubiclesoft.com> <58546.193.121.250.194.1198671927.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> <47726360.8000703@cubiclesoft.com> Message-ID: <39852.193.121.250.194.1198749391.squirrel@intrepid.warp.be> On Wed, December 26, 2007 15:21, Thomas Hruska wrote: >> What is your language of choice? > > C++ (Safe C++ to be specific). Or PHP. Depends on what I'm developing. I love you :-) *big grin* -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From Shirley at farnsworthandassoc.com Thu Dec 27 22:19:07 2007 From: Shirley at farnsworthandassoc.com (Shirley at farnsworthandassoc.com) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:19:07 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spam Bayes Message-ID: <00e901c848ce$1f773cb0$0500a8c0@farnsworth.local> I am having a problem with Spam Bayes. The tool bar appears at the top of my e-mail; however, it's not working. I went under the (spambayes) HELP- Trouble Shooting. It then told me if this problem occured that I should go to (outlook) TOOLS-OPTIONS-OTHER-ADVANCE-COM ADD INS- CHECK IT to enable. This did not work because it was already checked. I then went to (outlook) HELP-ABOUT MICROSOFT OUTLOOK- AND HIT DISABLE to disable and then enable....this did not work because nothing was disabled. Is this all making sense? Do I need to delete spambayes and upload it again and reconfigure the whole thing for it to work? Please tell me no. Thanks for all your help. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.8/1154 - Release Date: 11/27/2007 11:40 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071227/786e3d6b/attachment.htm From ambeck at honoluluhabitat.org Thu Dec 27 19:35:56 2007 From: ambeck at honoluluhabitat.org (Anne Marie Beck) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:35:56 -1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes not working Message-ID: <000001c848b7$51f6c140$6601a8c0@Habitat4> My Spambayes just stop working. I've reinstalled several times and still can't get it to work. Is there any way you can help me? ******************************************* Anne Marie Beck Executive Director Honolulu Habitat for Humanity 1136 Union Mall, ste 510 Phone: (808) 538-7373 Fax: (808) 538-7171 Donate at www.honoluluhabitat.org ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071227/9b5ba935/attachment.htm From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Fri Dec 28 02:12:55 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:12:55 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spam Bayes In-Reply-To: <00e901c848ce$1f773cb0$0500a8c0@farnsworth.local> References: <00e901c848ce$1f773cb0$0500a8c0@farnsworth.local> Message-ID: <47744D97.9070803@cubiclesoft.com> Shirley at farnsworthandassoc.com wrote: > I am having a problem with Spam Bayes. The tool bar appears at the top of > my e-mail; however, it's not working. I went under the (spambayes) HELP- > Trouble Shooting. It then told me if this problem occured that I should go > to (outlook) TOOLS-OPTIONS-OTHER-ADVANCE-COM ADD INS- CHECK IT to enable. > This did not work because it was already checked. I then went to (outlook) > HELP-ABOUT MICROSOFT OUTLOOK- AND HIT DISABLE to disable and then > enable....this did not work because nothing was disabled. > > > Is this all making sense? > > Do I need to delete spambayes and upload it again and reconfigure the whole > thing for it to work? Please tell me no. > > Thanks for all your help. I've noticed a large increase in the number of Outlook add-in related messages in the last couple weeks. During this time, Microsoft has released _several_ Office updates, a few specific to Outlook. Someone should take a look at the effect such updates have in relation to the Outlook add-in. The events are too close together to be merely coincidental. As a bonus, it may help pinpoint the main problem of Spambayes flaking out randomly for various people without any "reason or rhyme" (i.e. potentially solving Outlook add-in issues once and for all). -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Mon Dec 31 07:57:39 2007 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:57:39 +1100 Subject: [Spambayes] Bugs? Yup. Fixes? Definitely. Downloadable installer and patches? Yes. In-Reply-To: <47715694.607@cubiclesoft.com> References: <47715694.607@cubiclesoft.com> Message-ID: <078e01c84b7a$71630ff0$54292fd0$@com.au> Hi Thomas, > While applying the modifications I suggested a couple weeks ago, I'm > fairly (99%) certain I've run into at least one critical bug in the > Spambayes 1.0.4 POP3 proxy. If you use the proxy, read on. Your description of the problem and solution certainly sounds reasonable. > For those who want to see my changes (12MB file): > http://www.cubiclesoft.com/Unrelated/spambayes-1.0.4.zip Any chance you can create a patch and upload it to sourceforge so it doesn't get lost? Its much easier to review your changes that way. Ideally, there would be a separate patch for each individual problem (I'm afraid I can't recall the other changes you refer to) > Total time spent on getting this all working was roughly 20 hours. > Time I'd rather have spent doing something else. However, I'm quite > happy with the result. Welcome to open-source development > Merry Christmas! I can't think of a better Christmas present than to > know there will be more spam blocked next year thanks to my changes to > Spambayes. Thanks - Happy New Year! Mark From A.Guhan at hclbpl.hcl.in Mon Dec 31 20:15:23 2007 From: A.Guhan at hclbpl.hcl.in (A.Guhan at hclbpl.hcl.in) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:15:23 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Paula Message-ID: <010801c84be1$7e1cca80$170ac80a@TRC> ------------------ Virus Warning Message (on mailho) Found virus EXPL_WMF.GEN in file OurNewHouse.jpg The uncleanable file OurNewHouse.jpg is moved to /etc/iscan/virus/vir8gk3US. --------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From skip at pobox.com Mon Dec 31 14:42:11 2007 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:42:11 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes becoming SlowBayes? In-Reply-To: <4778E87F.8070706@animeigo.com> References: <4778E87F.8070706@animeigo.com> Message-ID: <18296.61875.910412.400304@montanaro.dyndns.org> Robert> I've been playing with using the SpamBayes proxy with Robert> Thunderbird on my Macbook Pro. Over the last couple days I've Robert> noticed it become very slow, 5+ seconds to classify a single Robert> message, with CPU over 90%, and this with a training set of 160 Robert> spams and 87 hams. Is this expected performance or is there Robert> something going wrong? I suspect somethings gone awry. On my PowerBook G4 (probably at least three times slower than your Pro), it takes about 0.8s of user+sys time to classify a single message using sb_bnfilter.py. I have 140 spams and 53 hams in my database. What is your persistent_use_database config parameter set to? What version of SpamBayes are you using? Skip From thruska at cubiclesoft.com Mon Dec 31 15:46:20 2007 From: thruska at cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:46:20 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Bugs? Yup. Fixes? Definitely. Downloadable installer and patches? Yes. In-Reply-To: <078e01c84b7a$71630ff0$54292fd0$@com.au> References: <47715694.607@cubiclesoft.com> <078e01c84b7a$71630ff0$54292fd0$@com.au> Message-ID: <477900BC.4090409@cubiclesoft.com> Mark Hammond wrote: > Hi Thomas, > >> While applying the modifications I suggested a couple weeks ago, I'm >> fairly (99%) certain I've run into at least one critical bug in the >> Spambayes 1.0.4 POP3 proxy. If you use the proxy, read on. > > Your description of the problem and solution certainly sounds reasonable. > >> For those who want to see my changes (12MB file): >> http://www.cubiclesoft.com/Unrelated/spambayes-1.0.4.zip > > Any chance you can create a patch and upload it to sourceforge so it doesn't > get lost? Its much easier to review your changes that way. Ideally, there > would be a separate patch for each individual problem (I'm afraid I can't > recall the other changes you refer to) > >> Total time spent on getting this all working was roughly 20 hours. >> Time I'd rather have spent doing something else. However, I'm quite >> happy with the result. > > Welcome to open-source development I've never submitted a patch before. I suppose I'll have to fiddle with downloading the whole thing through TortoiseSVN and then apply my changes into three different patches. Can't do this at the moment. Busy with other things. If you can find (or perhaps someone could make?) a video tutorial that demonstrates how to use Sourceforge for making and submitting patches, that would be great. I ran a _quick_ Google search and came up pretty much empty-handed on a decent tutorial (both video and plain text). A more in-depth search might turn up something. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President Ph: 517-803-4197 *NEW* MyTaskFocus 1.1 Get on task. Stay on task. http://www.CubicleSoft.com/MyTaskFocus/ From acro3451 at tss.com.ar Mon Dec 31 23:13:00 2007 From: acro3451 at tss.com.ar (Pls check this new site) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:13 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] www.onlinepymes.com.ar Message-ID: <20071231224002.210821E400D@bag.python.org> Please see this site in Subject -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20071231/21090581/attachment.htm