From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jun 1 00:17:58 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:17:58 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Direct access to database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68A7E190-E5EC-4D8A-A307-C623B3161478@ihug.co.nz> > I would like to directly see the spambayes database; for > instance to see a listing of words; to pick out the most spammy as > well as the most hammy terms, > etc. Is there a way to do that? Yes. If you install Python and download the SpamBayes source, you can use sb_dbexpimp.py to convert the database to a CSV file (and then view it in Excel, or whatever you like). The command you'll want to run will be something like: C:\location\of\spambayes\source>scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py -f tokens.csv -e > Is there, for instance, an odbc driver available somewhere? Or is > it even possible to use a different database system? The possible storage options are: * A Python pickle. * Any of the Python dbm databases (e.g. BSDDB) * ZODB * ZEO * CDB * MySQL * postgresql =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From aclark at danvillesignal.com Thu Jun 1 22:36:44 2006 From: aclark at danvillesignal.com (Al Clark) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:36:44 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Zone Alarm conflict. Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20060601153211.021e2380@danvillesignal.com> I have been using Spambayes with Eudora for some time. It works well I also use Zone Alarm 4.5. At one time, I updated Zone Alarm and Spambayes wouldn't work so I went back to 4.5. Does Spambayes work with the latest versions of Zone Alarm (the free version?) I have a new system that I haven't moved my email into yet. It does have Zone Alarm 6.1 Al Clark Danville Signal Processing, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Purveyors of Fine DSP Hardware and other Cool Stuff Available at http://www.danvillesignal.com From ejohnson at imagewireless.ca Fri Jun 2 09:11:36 2006 From: ejohnson at imagewireless.ca (Eric Johnson) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 01:11:36 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... Message-ID: I hope this question hasn't been done to death already, but here goes... I've been using version 1.0.4 of the proxy for sometime and it has been performing perfectly. But I do like to try the newest stuff so I tried out version 1.1a1 of the proxy. It was great, but I ran into that memory problem and followed the suggestions to just go back to 1.0.4. I recently came across 1.1a2, but this time I read all the notes and found that it was thought that the problem that I had was fixed. So I tried it a new version again. But as you have probably guessed I ran into a problem. I'm wondering if the problem is my setup or the software. I un-installed version 1.0.4 through the Control Panel and then installed version 1.1a2. It seemed to go well for a while, then the filtering just stopped. The proxy seemed to be still letting me get my email, but the part that does the classifying, wasn't classifying. So everything went straight to the Inbox, spam and all. I shut down and restarted my email program, Outlook 2000, thinking maybe the rules weren't working but nothing changed. I shutdown Spambayes with the tray icon and then restarted it. Everything started working again for awhile and then stopped again. I un-installed version 1.1a2 and re-installed version 1.0.4 figuring that I would just have to wait for the next version again, but now version 1.0.4 is having the same problem as what I just described for version 1.1a2. I am guessing that not everything is removed when you un-install the software, since it still had all my training and settings from the previous version. 1.0.4 to 1.1a2, then back to 1.0.4. I would guess that I have to remove those leftovers. What should I try? I wouldn't mind trying 1.1a2 again if the same solution might solve its problems too. Please point me in the right direction... Thanks Eric Johnson -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 01/06/2006 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4480 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060602/a0333943/attachment.bin From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Fri Jun 2 13:49:22 2006 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:49:22 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500695E47C@SPIKE.city> Why are you using the proxy with Outlook 2000? Have you tried using the Outlook plug-in? Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Eric Johnson > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 3:12 AM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... > > I hope this question hasn> '> t been done to death already, but here goes> ...> > > I> '> ve been using version 1.0.4 of the proxy for sometime and it has been performing perfectly. But I do like to try the newest stuff so I tried out version 1.1a1 of the proxy. It was great, but I ran into that memory problem and followed the suggestions to just go back to 1.0.4. > > I recently came across 1.1a2, but this time I read all the notes and found that it was thought that the problem that I had was fixed. So I tried it a new version again. But as you have probably guessed I ran into a problem. I> '> m wondering if the problem is my setup or the software. > > I un-installed version 1.0.4 through the Control Panel and then installed version 1.1a2. It seemed to go well for a while, then the filtering just stopped. The proxy seemed to be still letting me get my email, but the part that does the classifying, wasn> '> t classifying. So everything went straight to the Inbox, spam and all. I shut down and restarted my email program, Outlook 2000, thinking maybe the rules weren> '> t working but nothing changed. I shutdown Spambayes with the tray icon and then restarted it. Everything started working again for awhile and then stopped again. I un-installed version 1.1a2 and re-installed version 1.0.4 figuring that I would just have to wait for the next version again, but now version 1.0.4 is having the same problem as what I just described for version 1.1a2. > > I am guessing that not everything is removed when you un-install the software, since it still had all my training and settings from the previous version. 1.0.4 to 1.1a2, then back to 1.0.4. I would guess that I have to remove those leftovers. > > What should I try? > > I wouldn> '> t mind trying 1.1a2 again if the same solution might solve its problems too. > > Please point me in the right direction> ...> > > Thanks > Eric Johnson > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 01/06/2006 > << File: ATT679684.txt >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060602/d9c1d395/attachment.htm From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Fri Jun 2 19:14:59 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:14:59 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] need spamarchive In-Reply-To: <1C919828-F7D7-49C3-937F-CEA769AF7E85@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: Is there mybe a spam archive in internt to use for testing and exprimentations ? regards ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From ejohnson at imagewireless.ca Fri Jun 2 19:51:08 2006 From: ejohnson at imagewireless.ca (Eric Johnson) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:51:08 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500695E47C@SPIKE.city> Message-ID: I used the plugin for years. I like the proxy better. In my opinion, it is easier to control how you train with the proxy. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Coe, Bob [mailto:rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV] Sent: June 2, 2006 5:49 AM To: Eric Johnson Cc: spambayes at Python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... Why are you using the proxy with Outlook 2000? Have you tried using the Outlook plug-in? Bob -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [HYPERLINK "mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org"mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Eric Johnson Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 3:12 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... I hope this question hasn't been done to death already, but here goes... I've been using version 1.0.4 of the proxy for sometime and it has been performing perfectly. But I do like to try the newest stuff so I tried out version 1.1a1 of the proxy. It was great, but I ran into that memory problem and followed the suggestions to just go back to 1.0.4. I recently came across 1.1a2, but this time I read all the notes and found that it was thought that the problem that I had was fixed. So I tried it a new version again. But as you have probably guessed I ran into a problem. I'm wondering if the problem is my setup or the software. I un-installed version 1.0.4 through the Control Panel and then installed version 1.1a2. It seemed to go well for a while, then the filtering just stopped. The proxy seemed to be still letting me get my email, but the part that does the classifying, wasn't classifying. So everything went straight to the Inbox, spam and all. I shut down and restarted my email program, Outlook 2000, thinking maybe the rules weren't working but nothing changed. I shutdown Spambayes with the tray icon and then restarted it. Everything started working again for awhile and then stopped again. I un-installed version 1.1a2 and re-installed version 1.0.4 figuring that I would just have to wait for the next version again, but now version 1.0.4 is having the same problem as what I just described for version 1.1a2. I am guessing that not everything is removed when you un-install the software, since it still had all my training and settings from the previous version. 1.0.4 to 1.1a2, then back to 1.0.4. I would guess that I have to remove those leftovers. What should I try? I wouldn't mind trying 1.1a2 again if the same solution might solve its problems too. Please point me in the right direction... Thanks Eric Johnson -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 01/06/2006 << File: ATT679684.txt >> -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 01/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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From shawn at 12pointdesign.com Sat Jun 3 05:16:14 2006 From: shawn at 12pointdesign.com (Shawn K. Hall) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:16:14 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Eric, > I used the plugin for years. I like the proxy better. > > In my opinion, it is easier to control how you train > with the proxy. My guess would be that you did not have Outlook correctly configured to filter using the proxy. It was probably still resolving to the remote server, bypassing the spambayes proxy, thereby downloading all the mail directly from the server. If you reinstall, ensure that the mail servers are setup correctly in your Outlook accounts. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://12PointDesign.com/ http://ReliableAnswers.com/ From ejohnson at imagewireless.ca Sat Jun 3 09:51:05 2006 From: ejohnson at imagewireless.ca (Eric Johnson) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:51:05 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Outlook is correctly configured because when the proxy is re-started, it works properly for a few hours. That only can happen if the email is going from the email server, to the proxy, to Outlook. That is why I know that is has to be some problem with the part that does the classifying. It is also the same configuration that has been used ever since version 1.0.4 was released. Boy, was it working good, I was seeing less than 2% of the spam that I was receiving. This is one great program... Eric -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces+ejohnson=imagewireless.ca at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+ejohnson=imagewireless.ca at python.org]On Behalf Of Shawn K. Hall Sent: June 2, 2006 9:16 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... Hi Eric, > I used the plugin for years. I like the proxy better. > > In my opinion, it is easier to control how you train > with the proxy. My guess would be that you did not have Outlook correctly configured to filter using the proxy. It was probably still resolving to the remote server, bypassing the spambayes proxy, thereby downloading all the mail directly from the server. If you reinstall, ensure that the mail servers are setup correctly in your Outlook accounts. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://12PointDesign.com/ http://ReliableAnswers.com/ _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006 From vys0 at epf.pl Sat Jun 3 12:59:02 2006 From: vys0 at epf.pl (Piotr Budny) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:59:02 +0000 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200606031059.02735.vys0@epf.pl> Dnia sobota, 3 czerwca 2006 07:51, Eric Johnson napisa?: > Outlook is correctly configured because when the proxy is re-started, it > works properly for a few hours. That only can happen if the email is going > from the email server, to the proxy, to Outlook. That is why I know that > is has to be some problem with the part that does the classifying. It is > also the same configuration that has been used ever since version 1.0.4 was > released. Boy, was it working good, I was seeing less than 2% of the spam > that I was receiving. This is one great program... > > Eric > You say it seemes to stop classifying - when yo encounter thisagain, check the full header of the message that is not filtered properly, whether there is proper Spambayes: spam header: - if there is none ane earlier there was one -than you are right - somethings gets corrupted while SB is working - if there is one and even though message is not filtered thab Outlook is to be blamed. When unintalling, try to remove manually all files/folders connected with SB and clear the system Registry. Might help to make "clear" install whilr downgrading to 1.0.4. Vys0 -------------------- W polskim Internecie s? setki milion?w stron. My przekazujemy Tobie tylko najlepsze z nich! http://katalog.panoramainternetu.pl/ From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jun 3 11:20:54 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:20:54 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stops checking the email... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I un-installed version 1.0.4 through the Control Panel and then > installed > version 1.1a2. It seemed to go well for a while, then the > filtering just > stopped. The proxy seemed to be still letting me get my email, but > the part > that does the classifying, wasn't classifying. So everything went > straight > to the Inbox, spam and all. Check to see if the messages have an X-Spambayes-Exception header. If you could also wait until this occurs again (so we get the right log) and then send us the most recent log file, that would be great. The logs are in your temp directory (possibly C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Local Settings\Temp). > I un-installed > version 1.1a2 and re-installed version 1.0.4 figuring that I would > just have > to wait for the next version again, but now version 1.0.4 is having > the same > problem as what I just described for version 1.1a2. My guess (but without logs, it is just a guess) is that the database is corrupted (not every message will hit the problem), and so retraining from scratch will solve the problem. 1.1a1 probably caused the problem, and the database is retained across un/installs. > I am guessing that not everything is removed when you un-install the > software, since it still had all my training and settings from the > previous > version. That's correct - the data directory is untouched (maybe 1.1a2 has an option to remove this on uninstall; I can't remember if that feature request has been implemented yet or not). > I wouldn't mind trying 1.1a2 again if the same solution might solve > its > problems too. I expect it will, and reports about how well 1.1a2 works would be greatly appreciated. (I'll find time to announce it soon, which might help with that ;)). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jun 3 11:23:27 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:23:27 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] retrieving a deleted spam e-mail In-Reply-To: <481.1547cc6.31acbaf4@aol.com> References: <481.1547cc6.31acbaf4@aol.com> Message-ID: <4D0C22BB-68FA-4E60-BB99-DE070DBB5D6B@ihug.co.nz> > I deleted an important email by mistake from my spam folder, can I > get it back? There's nothing special about the folders that SpamBayes uses, so the same rules apply as with any other messages in Outlook. If you didn't delete it, but just moved it to the Deleted Items folder (this is what the "Delete" key does by default), and you haven't emptied that, then you can get it back from there. If you did empty the Deleted Items folder, or actually deleted the message (shift-delete), but this was on a "Personal Folders" file (pst) rather than Exchange/Hotmail/IMAP, then if you haven't compacted the pst file, Google can find you utilities to retrieve deleted mail. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jun 3 11:25:25 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:25:25 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Messages classified as spam In-Reply-To: <447B103E.6220.273DD594@Gary.doctorgary.net> References: <447B103E.6220.273DD594@Gary.doctorgary.net> Message-ID: <1F3A7F44-8D19-4179-B135-70BED98BFDFE@ihug.co.nz> > nearly 100% of my unsure is spam. If the scores are all high (e.g. over 80%), consider lowering the spam threshold. > Often I find spam correctly IDed in the classifier but > instead of being marked for discard the buttons in the > spam column are ticked. I have been reassigning these > spam to be discarded when I click on train. That's probably the best idea. In the advanced options page, you can set this to be the default if you want to extend the life of your mouse a little ;) (This will also be the default in 1.1). > It seems that if Spambayes correctly IDed the spam, > I should just discard it. That is the current thinking, yes. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jun 3 11:31:46 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:31:46 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] more information please In-Reply-To: References: <447ADBC8.6362.9C7895@localhost> Message-ID: <8CBA29F2-6F6B-46CE-AD7E-146FA06441C2@ihug.co.nz> > I have been leaving the category as SpamBayes set it for messages > it had correctly identified, so presumably have been "re-training" > it on ones it already got right. I thought this was the correct > way, confirming that SB was right in those instances, or does it > mean that a bias of any sort could develop? It's not 100% clear what the best training regime is. Simulations so far, as well as anecdotal evidence, have shown that a 'mistake-based' training regime is probably best. (For example, only training on false positives, false negatives and unsures, alternatively, training only on 'nonedge' messages (e.g. scoring between 10% and 90%)). One reason these probably work better is that the databases end up smaller, which means that if 'random' real words are added to a spam, it is less likely that they are in your database (which means they are ignored). > It would be good if clear instructions similar to the above were > included in the interface page below the list of mails processed so > it's there for easy reference. If you click on the "Help" icon at the bottom of the page, it says pretty much what I did in the email, and has a link to the wiki where training options are discussed in more detail (since there isn't a definitive answer about what is best, it's hard to have a concise summary distributed with the software). If you can think of ways that the help text could be improved, please let us know (IIRC I simply wrote what I thought of at the time, and it hasn't been reviewed since). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jun 3 11:40:20 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:40:20 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Next Spambayes Stable Release??? In-Reply-To: <005901c6829b$e4f65b10$0400a8c0@ted> References: <005901c6829b$e4f65b10$0400a8c0@ted> Message-ID: <26C3D9E9-96B1-49A5-909E-29443E346620@ihug.co.nz> > When do you expect to release the next stable release of Spambayes? Every time I answer this question I get it wrong, so I'm reluctant to do it again (but here goes...). 1.1a2 is (finally) out (I'll do an announcement soon), which is a good step forward. My guess would be that, unless serious problems are found with it (the Outlook plug-in is already very stable, from all reports), this will be the last 1.1 alpha, and we could have a beta in a month or so. If we manage to get enough feedback to indicate that everything is well, then a final 1.1 could follow pretty quickly after that. 1.1 includes enough improvements that it would be good to get a stable version released, so that anything new can go into 1.2. > Has development ceased? No, but it has slowed. There are two main reasons: (1) the developers are busy with other things, and (2) the software is pretty stable, and still does a good job. > If not, I'd like to contribute to keep it going. Money that is, > not a programmer of any skill. Make sure that you read the FAQ and web page about donating first: In particular, note that donations go to the PSF (for good reason), and we don't know when that happens (well, a few of us - not me - can probably find out), so it's not a particularly effective method of prodding us on. If I haven't put you off ;), you're still welcome to donate, of course! The FAQ linked above does outline ways that you can help without programming skills or money. For example, when 1.1b1 is released (which should be pretty stable), trying it out and letting us know about any problems or ways things could be better, would certainly be helpful. Polite prodding on the list is also helpful, as long as it's relatively infrequent, as it lets us know what the demand for a new release is. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Sat Jun 3 13:03:08 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:03:08 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes and pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: can spambayes scan pictures with spam content, f.i. picture with some advertisement for medical stuff or Porn....? Is there a way to train Spambayes to lern and filter such emails? When, no which software (open source or commercial) could be recommended? regards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How could i start the server ? regards ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Sat Jun 3 13:40:58 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:40:58 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Hoow to start the server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >How could i start the server ? start the server by launching sb_server.py ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Sat Jun 3 14:12:55 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:12:55 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] filter spam with images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I now spambayes has not a picture scan flitering to recognize mails with spam pictures. f.i. pictures with some advertisement for me?dic?al stuff or P?orn....? Is there a way to train Spambayes to lern and filter such emails? Is there a way to use spambayes withother software togethere, which do this? When, yes which software (open source or commercial)? regards ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From peterb at zeta.org.au Sat Jun 3 12:43:09 2006 From: peterb at zeta.org.au (Peter Barker) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:43:09 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Comments on 1.1a2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200606032043.09837.peterb@zeta.org.au> I see you want comments on 1.1a2 before releasing the next version. I installed it a week or two ago, and have no major problems. I am using KMail and sb_filter.py which works well. I had a minor problem with sb_bnfilter.py which Toby Dickenson provided a patch for. I seem to be getting a bit more spam than I remember from when I last used spambayes some months ago, but this is probably because I haven't trained it on enough emails yet. Just before I installed spambayes I was using spamassassin as it was the default with FC5. I decided to switch back to spambayes because too much spam was getting through. I think spambayes after a week's training is doing as well as spamassassin after several months training. People sending spam seem to be more effort into disguising the name of the product they are selling, so this makes it harder for anti-spam programs. When I read the WHAT_IS_NEW.txt file I thought I was going to have to use ZODB. I am using Fedora Core 5 and ZODB was not installed, and does not appear to exist as a package. I found it was part of the Zope package. So I installed Zope before spambayes. Perhaps this could be explained in the README. I think that if spambayes is installed on a system without ZODB it will continue to use the old database format. Is this correct? Thanks for the good work. From dsilsby at qaero.com Mon Jun 5 22:00:42 2006 From: dsilsby at qaero.com (David Silsby) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:00:42 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] uninstalling Message-ID: <20060605202829.1D9B51E4002@bag.python.org> Please send or point me to the right location to uninstall (clean) your application. I am too busy to deal with it at this time. Dave Silsby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060605/53d9e3cb/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060605/5a36c8fd/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jun 6 00:56:06 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:56:06 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] uninstalling In-Reply-To: <20060605202829.1D9B51E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20060605202829.1D9B51E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <36E92C78-B441-471E-B9B2-0A705A12B75D@ihug.co.nz> > Please send or point me to the right location to uninstall (clean) > your application. Please see FAQ 3.16: > I am too busy to deal with it at this time. An odd statement, considering that the point of a spam filter is to save time... =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From l33.chen at student.qut.edu.au Thu Jun 8 08:00:11 2006 From: l33.chen at student.qut.edu.au (l33.chen at student.qut.edu.au) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:00:11 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Spambayes] questions about import email for training Message-ID: <20060608160011.CDY41147@mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au> Hello, I am a student and plan to attend TREC(Text Retrieval Conference) this year. I want to enhance a spam filtering system by providing some extra function. I choose SpamBayes as filter and try to add some other function for my experiment. Now I want to import the training data to SpamBayes for my experiment. My training email corpora are downloaded from TREC website http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~gvcormac/treccorpus/ I keep the file in my E:\ drive. I also download Python-2.3.5.exe, Win32all-163.exe and SpamBayes1.0.4.exe. I looked at your company's website and find there's information about how to import by using command line.(4.4 in frequent asked questions).I input command(python sb_mboxtrain.py -g ~/tmp/newham -s ~/tmp/newspam ) into the Windows comand prompt,it doesn't work. Later I key this command into Python2.3.5 command line,still can't work. Could you please tell me how can I import email into the SpamBayes? Could you please be detail your steps since I am not quite familar with command line environment. Thanks lot! Hope to hear you soon! Lin Chen From amedee at amedee.be Thu Jun 8 08:36:16 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:36:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] questions about import email for training In-Reply-To: <20060608160011.CDY41147@mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au> References: <20060608160011.CDY41147@mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <49399.213.118.146.89.1149748576.squirrel@amedee.be> > I looked at your company's website LOL... afaik spambayes isn't a company, but a volunteer project. Just like most great software :) > and find there's information about how to import by using command > line.(4.4 in frequent asked questions).I input command(python > sb_mboxtrain.py -g ~/tmp/newham -s ~/tmp/newspam ) into the Windows > comand prompt,it doesn't work. Later I key this command into Python2.3.5 > command line,still can't work. I'm only a regular user, not one of the developers, but I'll try to help as good as I can. I use Linux, not "Windows", and I'm quite familiar with the command line. Don't worry, concerning spambayes or python, the command line is identical for "Windows" and Linux. The syntax you used seems correct for what I would use on Linux. However I notice you use ~ which on Linux is a subsitution for the current user's /home directory. This is a different system from "Windows". I don't know if you can use the ~ in "Windows". Don't blame spambayes, don't blame "Windows". It's just different, just like driving on the left in the UK. You should try again with the absolute path names of the mailbox files. Something like "python sb_mboxtrain.py -g E:\directory\where\you\copied\the\mbox\files\tmp\newham" (and similar for the spam). Inside the python command line you obviously don't have to use "python sb_mboxtrain.py" but just "sb_mboxtrain.py" Also, it would be very, *very* helpfull if you would give any error or status messages you get. We don't have a crystal ball so we cannot see what is happening on your screen. Don't be afraid to be verbose. Good luck! Amedee Van Gasse -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it on usenet. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jun 8 11:59:25 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:59:25 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] questions about import email for training In-Reply-To: <20060608160011.CDY41147@mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au> References: <20060608160011.CDY41147@mail-msgstore01.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: > I also download Python-2.3.5.exe, Python 2.4 has a much better email package; it would be well worth using that. > Win32all-163.exe This is *extremely* out-of-date. You don't actually need it for any command-line work with SpamBayes (although whether it is installed does effect the default database location), but if you use it for something else, you should get an up-to-date version. > I input command(python sb_mboxtrain.py -g ~/tmp/newham -s ~/tmp/ > newspam ) into the Windows comand prompt,it doesn't work. Later I > key this command into Python2.3.5 command line,still can't work. As Amedee said, it would really help to know what error message you got, and you should check that ~/tmp/newham is actually a valid path to a ham mailbox (possible if you are using Cygwin, extremely unlikely otherwise). > Could you please tell me how can I import email into the SpamBayes? Train as ham: sb_filter.py -g < path\to\ham\message Train as spam: sb_filter.py -s < path\to\spam\message Are probably the best commands, if you are using messages like the ones in the 2005 TREC corpus. This will use the default values for your database. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From matthois at compuserve.de Fri Jun 9 00:03:15 2006 From: matthois at compuserve.de (Matthias Loose) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 00:03:15 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes possible bug Message-ID: <000001c68b47$636c7930$0101a8c0@note> Hi, I use SpamBayes 1.0.4 with Outlook under XP and like the software very much. For safety reasons I work as a restricted user. Some days ago, SpamBayes failed to work (after a configuration change with admin rights) and I tried very hard to fix this. I don?t want to tell the whole story (it?s very long:-). Finally, I think I found the reason. Whenever I use Outlook as an admin, SpamBayes generates its logfile apparently in such a way that a restricted user can?t write to this file afterwards. So, if I start from scratch for example, the logfile #1 won?t be able to be renamed later as #2 (if this attempt will be done as a restricted user then). The consequence: SpamBayes will be visible inside Outlook, but not functional. I didn?t get any hint about this from the TShooter text, I learned this by trial and error. My workaround: after any administration concerning Outlook, I will delete all SpamBayes logfiles. This seems to work, at least it looks quite logical to me:-) Perhaps it would be possible to put this into the TShooting text? Regards, Matthias Loose From sales at pocketlogger.com Fri Jun 9 19:02:19 2006 From: sales at pocketlogger.com (digital tuning, inc.) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:02:19 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter before rules Message-ID: <20060609181231.8EF3A1E401F@bag.python.org> I use a lot of rules to move emails that come in multiple pop3 accounts into various local and exchange folders. I also copy some emails to certain exchange folders for mobile access. In order to get SB to catch all spam, I had to point it to check not only the inbox, but all the folders that email might get moved/copied to. But set up this way, for every spam received, I get two emails in the junk folder because it's moving the original and the copy. Is there any way to get spambayes to process emails before outlook runs it's rule list?? TIA, Mike From tim.peters at gmail.com Fri Jun 9 21:46:36 2006 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:46:36 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter before rules In-Reply-To: <20060609181231.8EF3A1E401F@bag.python.org> References: <20060609181231.8EF3A1E401F@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <1f7befae0606091246y4ab9d53dr405d68cc42686361@mail.gmail.com> [digital tuning, inc.] > ... > Is there any way to get spambayes to process emails before outlook runs it's > rule list?? Sorry, no way that we know of. Left to its own devices, Outlook appears to _interleave_ running its own rules with SpamBayes, so that you can't predict much of anything, and there doesn't appear to be any hook in Outlook to change this behavior. The only thing we can do is make it _likely_ that Outlook's rules will run first (not what you want), by giving you that mysterious ;-) "enable background filtering" dialog in the SpamBayes manager's Advanced tab. The effect of that is really just to make the SpamBayes code put itself to sleep a lot, in the hope that Outlook's own rules will finish running before the time you specify runs out and SpamBayes stops refusing to do anything. That trick is effective in practice, but nothing like it appears to exist to influence Outlook to _delay_ running its own rules. From shawn at 12pointdesign.com Fri Jun 9 22:57:27 2006 From: shawn at 12pointdesign.com (Shawn K. Hall) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:57:27 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Filter before rules In-Reply-To: <20060609181231.8EF3A1E401F@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <04b501c68c07$513b0540$0a00a8c0@daddy> Hi Mike, > Is there any way to get spambayes to process emails before > outlook runs it's rule list?? One solution is to use the SpamBayes POP3 proxy instead of the Outlook Plugin. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://12PointDesign.com/ From amedee at amedee.be Sat Jun 10 12:28:31 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:28:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Filter before rules In-Reply-To: <04b501c68c07$513b0540$0a00a8c0@daddy> References: <20060609181231.8EF3A1E401F@bag.python.org> <04b501c68c07$513b0540$0a00a8c0@daddy> Message-ID: <38500.213.118.146.89.1149935311.squirrel@amedee.be> On Fri, June 9, 2006 22:57, Shawn K. Hall said: > Hi Mike, > >> Is there any way to get spambayes to process emails before >> outlook runs it's rule list?? > > One solution is to use the SpamBayes POP3 proxy instead of the Outlook > Plugin. I don't know if that is possible in combination with an Exchange server. But for POP3 mail accounts, you are probably right. You could also switch to linux and use procmail for your mail filtering. Spambayes works excellent in combination with procmail, and still gives the user maximum control. *g* -- Amedee From amedee at amedee.be Sat Jun 10 12:59:03 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:59:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] [Fwd: Auto-response for your message to the "SpamBayes" mailing list] Message-ID: <54197.213.118.146.89.1149937143.squirrel@amedee.be> Uhhh... I have been subscribed for a few months now, and it's teh first time I get this annoying autoreply. Did something go wrong on the listserver? - Amedee ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Auto-response for your message to the "SpamBayes" mailing list From: spambayes-bounces at python.org Date: Sat, June 10, 2006 12:28 To: amedee at amedee.be -------------------------------------------------------------------------- READ THIS! (If you want help.) This is an automated response to an email message you sent to the spambayes at python.org mailing list. Please read this message carefully to see if it answers your question(s). Before you do anything else: ---------------------------- Before asking a question on the list, please take a moment and check the frequently asked questions page: http://spambayes.org/faq.html If you are using the Outlook plug-in, please also take the time to read the troubleshooting guide - a copy was installed with the plug-in, or you can read it online: http://spambayes.org/docs.html Note that you need to include a copy of your log files with any message asking for help with a problem, or we won't have enough information to be able to help you. What is SpamBayes? ------------------ The SpamBayes project was formed to develop a Bayesian anti-spam filter, initially based on the work of Paul Graham. The major difference between this and other, similar, projects is the emphasis on testing newer approaches to scoring messages. You can read all about SpamBayes on the project's website: http://spambayes.org/ Will Spambayes run on my system/in my environment? -------------------------------------------------- Yes, though which tools you use and the amount of work necessary to get started will vary depending on your computing platform, email client and how you get mail from a mail server. I'm having trouble installing SpamBayes. Help! ----------------------------------------------- Please ensure that you have the latest version. As of March 24, 2005, this is 1.0.4 for both the source and for the binary installer (for the Outlook plug-in and sb_server). If you are still having trouble, try looking at the bug reports that are currently open: http://sf.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103 If you can't find anything, then else submit a bug (see below), or if you think it's just something you're doing wrong, ask the list. I found a bug. -------------- Please file a bug report: http://sf.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103 If you post your bug report to the mailing list, there's always the chance it will get missed. Filing a bug report also provides a single place to collect all the data related to the bug, making it easier to put all the pieces together which are necessary to fix the underlying problem. Subscribing to the SpamBayes mailing list. ------------------------------------------ The spambayes at python.org mailing list formed in September 2002 to support development of the SpamBayes spam filtering system as an outgrowth of earlier threads on the Python developers' mailing list. You can subscribe to the SpamBayes mailing list using the form at http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it on usenet. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message. From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Sat Jun 10 13:35:44 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:35:44 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] is the database empty In-Reply-To: <04b501c68c07$513b0540$0a00a8c0@daddy> Message-ID: As i installed spambayes i did'nt check the database content. is there some content in the database, i mean some pre trained data in the database ? regards ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From amedee at amedee.be Sat Jun 10 14:04:16 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:04:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] is the database empty In-Reply-To: References: <04b501c68c07$513b0540$0a00a8c0@daddy> Message-ID: <45652.213.118.146.89.1149941056.squirrel@amedee.be> On Sat, June 10, 2006 13:35, yahoo.de said: > As i installed spambayes i did'nt check the database content. > is there some content in the database, i mean some pre trained data in the > database > ? Short answer: no The database fills up fast enough. Even after about 50 ham messages and 50 spam messages, performance is already pretty good. The most efficient way to fill your database, is to let spambayes train on unsures and on mistakes. -- Amedee From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Sat Jun 10 14:18:42 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:18:42 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] is the database empty In-Reply-To: <45652.213.118.146.89.1149941056.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: >The most efficient way to fill your database, is to let spambayes train on >unsures and on mistakes. what do you mean with train on mistake? how could i train the SB to recognize emails with advertistment images for some product and so on? let see the email has no text, but onla an image in the body! (i know there are image scanner software for this purpose, but what could be done in such cases) thk On Sat, June 10, 2006 13:35, yahoo.de said: > As i installed spambayes i did'nt check the database content. > is there some content in the database, i mean some pre trained data in the > database > ? Short answer: no The database fills up fast enough. Even after about 50 ham messages and 50 spam messages, performance is already pretty good. _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From amedee at amedee.be Sat Jun 10 15:16:55 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:16:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] is the database empty In-Reply-To: References: <45652.213.118.146.89.1149941056.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <38129.213.118.146.89.1149945415.squirrel@amedee.be> On Sat, June 10, 2006 14:18, yahoo.de said: > >>The most efficient way to fill your database, is to let spambayes train >> on >>unsures and on mistakes. > > what do you mean with train on mistake? > how could i train the SB to recognize emails with advertistment images for > some product and so on? > let see the email has no text, but onla an image in the body! > (i know there are image scanner software for this purpose, but what could > be > done in such cases) Image spam is indeed a problem. Otoh, in my personal experience it's only a problem in theory. In practice there are enough other spammy characteristics in such emails. I don't know about image scanners specifically for spam detection, but I think it's possible to feed emails trough such image scanners before they are fed to spambayes. I already send my emails trough some conversion filters before they are spambayesed. For example I use mimencode to preconvert some special MIME formats (like used in Asian languages) into 8-bit format. I can imagine one could make an ocr program that converts images to text (if possible) and attaches the text to the email, which is subsequently fed to spambayes. That way, spambayes virtually "reads" the image just like a human does. Actually, you suggest something interesting. I'm going to try a few things and iff they work, I'll post it on the list. Amedee PS: please don't do "reply all", reply to the list. From tim at aterraform.com Sat Jun 10 16:03:10 2006 From: tim at aterraform.com (Tim Stone) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:03:10 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] is the database empty In-Reply-To: <38129.213.118.146.89.1149945415.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <45652.213.118.146.89.1149941056.squirrel@amedee.be> <38129.213.118.146.89.1149945415.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <448AD11E.1080200@aterraform.com> PS: please don't do "reply all", reply to the list. The problem here is if the sender is not subscribed, they'll never get the response. If you respond to the sender only, then the list doesn't see the response... Sorry, but reply-all is the solution. If you dig back about three years in the archive you'll find a bit of a discussion on this topic, and this is where we settled. It makes some duplicates, but everyone is assured of seeing the response. Amedee Van Gasse wrote: >On Sat, June 10, 2006 14:18, yahoo.de said: > > >>>The most efficient way to fill your database, is to let spambayes train >>>on >>>unsures and on mistakes. >>> >>> >>what do you mean with train on mistake? >>how could i train the SB to recognize emails with advertistment images for >>some product and so on? >>let see the email has no text, but onla an image in the body! >>(i know there are image scanner software for this purpose, but what could >>be >>done in such cases) >> >> > >Image spam is indeed a problem. >Otoh, in my personal experience it's only a problem in theory. >In practice there are enough other spammy characteristics in such emails. > >I don't know about image scanners specifically for spam detection, but I >think it's possible to feed emails trough such image scanners before they >are fed to spambayes. > >I already send my emails trough some conversion filters before they are >spambayesed. For example I use mimencode to preconvert some special MIME >formats (like used in Asian languages) into 8-bit format. >I can imagine one could make an ocr program that converts images to text >(if possible) and attaches the text to the email, which is subsequently >fed to spambayes. That way, spambayes virtually "reads" the image just >like a human does. > >Actually, you suggest something interesting. I'm going to try a few things >and iff they work, I'll post it on the list. > >Amedee > >PS: please don't do "reply all", reply to the list. > >_______________________________________________ >SpamBayes at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > > > > > From tim at aterraform.com Sat Jun 10 16:07:44 2006 From: tim at aterraform.com (Tim Stone) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:07:44 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] [Fwd: Auto-response for your message to the "SpamBayes" mailing list] In-Reply-To: <54197.213.118.146.89.1149937143.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <54197.213.118.146.89.1149937143.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <448AD230.9070906@aterraform.com> I'm not sure why this would be the first time, unless this is the first time you've forwarded to the list rather than replied, or your spam filter for some reason didn't recognize the autoreply this time . It may be an annoying autoreply for some of us, but who knows how many untold billions of emails it's saved us. :) In fact, it it wasn't so annoying, maybe people would go ahead and ask us the #1 FAQ every single time they forget the answer. As is, they tend to ask us once. Amedee Van Gasse wrote: >Uhhh... I have been subscribed for a few months now, and it's teh first >time I get this annoying autoreply. >Did something go wrong on the listserver? > > - Amedee > >---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- >Subject: Auto-response for your message to the "SpamBayes" mailing list >From: spambayes-bounces at python.org >Date: Sat, June 10, 2006 12:28 >To: amedee at amedee.be >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >READ THIS! (If you want help.) > >This is an automated response to an email message you sent to the >spambayes at python.org mailing list. Please read this message carefully to >see if it answers your question(s). > > >Before you do anything else: ---------------------------- > >Before asking a question on the list, please take a moment and check the >frequently asked questions page: > > http://spambayes.org/faq.html > >If you are using the Outlook plug-in, please also take the time to read >the troubleshooting guide - a copy was installed with the >plug-in, or you can read it online: > > http://spambayes.org/docs.html > >Note that you need to include a copy of your log files with any >message asking for help with a problem, or we won't have enough >information to be able to help you. > > >What is SpamBayes? ------------------ > >The SpamBayes project was formed to develop a Bayesian anti-spam >filter, initially based on the work of Paul Graham. The major >difference between this and other, similar, projects is the emphasis on >testing newer approaches to scoring messages. You can read all about >SpamBayes on the project's website: > > http://spambayes.org/ > > >Will Spambayes run on my system/in my environment? >-------------------------------------------------- > >Yes, though which tools you use and the amount of work necessary to get >started will vary depending on your computing platform, email >client and how you get mail from a mail server. > > >I'm having trouble installing SpamBayes. Help! >----------------------------------------------- > >Please ensure that you have the latest version. As of March 24, 2005, >this is 1.0.4 for both the source and for the binary installer (for the >Outlook plug-in and sb_server). If you are still having trouble, try >looking at the bug reports that are currently open: > > http://sf.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103 > >If you can't find anything, then else submit a bug (see below), or if you >think it's just something you're doing wrong, ask the list. > > >I found a bug. -------------- > >Please file a bug report: > > http://sf.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103 > >If you post your bug report to the mailing list, there's always the chance >it will get missed. Filing a bug report also provides a single place to >collect all the data related to the bug, making it easier to put all the >pieces together which are necessary to fix the underlying problem. > > >Subscribing to the SpamBayes mailing list. >------------------------------------------ > >The spambayes at python.org mailing list formed in September 2002 to >support development of the SpamBayes spam filtering system as an >outgrowth of earlier threads on the Python developers' mailing list. You >can subscribe > >to the SpamBayes mailing list using the form at > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > > > > > > From amedee at amedee.be Sat Jun 10 16:30:40 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] is the database empty In-Reply-To: <448AD11E.1080200@aterraform.com> References: <45652.213.118.146.89.1149941056.squirrel@amedee.be> <38129.213.118.146.89.1149945415.squirrel@amedee.be> <448AD11E.1080200@aterraform.com> Message-ID: <38400.213.118.146.89.1149949840.squirrel@amedee.be> On Sat, June 10, 2006 16:03, Tim Stone said: > > > PS: please don't do "reply all", reply to the list. > > > The problem here is if the sender is not subscribed, they'll never get the > response. If you respond to the sender only, then the list doesn't see > the response... Sorry, but reply-all is the solution. If you dig back > about three years in the archive you'll find a bit of a discussion > on this topic, and this is where we settled. It makes some duplicates, > but everyone is assured of seeing the response. OK, I forgot this is a list where anyone can post. All other lists I'm on are subscription only. Thank you for explaining. -- Amedee From tim.peters at gmail.com Sat Jun 10 19:34:20 2006 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:34:20 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] [Fwd: Auto-response for your message to the "SpamBayes" mailing list] In-Reply-To: <54197.213.118.146.89.1149937143.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <54197.213.118.146.89.1149937143.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <1f7befae0606101034q61619d5ale1991d899c4fd025@mail.gmail.com> [Amedee Van Gasse] > Uhhh... I have been subscribed for a few months now, and it's teh first > time I get this annoying autoreply. > Did something go wrong on the listserver? The Mailman software happens to send this in response the first time someone posts, and every 90 days thereafter if they continue to post. It doesn't bother me enough to bother changing it. I'm sure the ~500 current subscribers weren't annoyed at all to have you copy the whole thing to them again ;-) From amedee at amedee.be Sat Jun 10 21:08:55 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:08:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Image spam (Was: is the database empty) In-Reply-To: <38129.213.118.146.89.1149945415.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <45652.213.118.146.89.1149941056.squirrel@amedee.be> <38129.213.118.146.89.1149945415.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <50096.213.118.146.89.1149966535.squirrel@amedee.be> On Sat, June 10, 2006 15:16, Amedee Van Gasse said: > > On Sat, June 10, 2006 14:18, yahoo.de said: >> >> how could i train the SB to recognize emails with advertistment images >> for some product and so on? let see the email has no text, but onla an >> image in the body! (i know there are image scanner software for this >> purpose, but what could be done in such cases) > > Image spam is indeed a problem. Otoh, in my personal experience it's only > a problem in theory. In practice there are enough other spammy > characteristics in such emails. > > I don't know about image scanners specifically for spam detection, but I > think it's possible to feed emails trough such image scanners before > they are fed to spambayes. > > I can imagine one could make an ocr program that converts images to text > (if possible) and attaches the text to the email, which is subsequently > fed to spambayes. That way, spambayes virtually "reads" the image just > like a human does. > > Actually, you suggest something interesting. I'm going to try a few > things and if they work, I'll post it on the list. Hello again, I found an interesting program that might be exactly what you are looking for: ocrad. This is GNU software, can accept pbm files or standard input, and outputs text to standard output. So this is a commandline ocr program that can be used in a script. Don't worry about the pbm files, the ocred manual describes how to convert other image formats to pbm (jpeg, png, ps, pdf,...) So what you could do in a prefiltering script (like a procmail script) is: * extract the images from the email * convert them to pbm * send the pbm files to ocrad * attach the resulting text to the original mail * finally, let spambayes do its magic However I am a bit concerned about performance of doing an ocr of every single image you receive. Also I don't agree with the thesis that image spam (or banner spam) will not be recognised as spam by spambayes. I think spambayes *will* find enough tokens to give the mail a score that is not unsure. For the rare occasions that image spam will result in an unsure score, I suggest the following strategy: 1. score the email with spambayes (preliminary score) 2. everything with score 1 is 100% sure spam (high spam), so dump it to /dev/null (my thesis is that image spam will be caught most of the time) 3. for every mail that is "low ham", unsure, or "low spam" AND has an image, convert the image(s) to pbm, ocr with ocred, and attach text to email 4. rescore the email with spmabayes (final score) 5. continue with your usual filtering rules Note: high ham = 100% sure ham, messages with a score of 0.00 low ham = probably ham, but with a score > 0.00 (you can use other treshold values) low spam = probably spam, but with a score < 1.00 high spam = 100% sure spam, messages with a score of 1.00 The actual implementation of these ideas are left as an excercise to the reader :) -- Amedee Van Gasse From dhaval at patel.sh Sat Jun 10 19:58:10 2006 From: dhaval at patel.sh (Dhaval Patel) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:58:10 -0000 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes db Message-ID: Hello all, I am new to the list. I have used spambayes for a long time and have been very happy with the results. I originally ran it on Slackware with Sendmail/Procmail on mbox style folders. In this setup each mail user was a real user. Currently I have changed the setup and now use Debian with Postfix/Maildrop on maildir style folders. I have virtual users in this setup. I have a vmail user which controls all the email for the virtual users. I am still using spambayes for the spam filtering. Even on the new system I have a seperate Maildrop file for each virtual user and it filters using his own spambayes db file. When I moved all the users to the new system I converted the mail from mbox -> maildir and copied the spambayes db file to the new system. When an email comes through it is being filtered because some spam goes to spam some goes to unsure and a LOT to inbox. :) I am not able to figure out why so much email comes into the Inbox now. What I have noticed is that when I run the "sb_mboxtrain.py -d /home/vmail/.spambayes/user.db -g /home/vmail/user/cur -s /home/vmail/user/.spam/cur" it goes through and reads all the emails Training ham (/home/vmail/dhaval/cur): Reading as MH mailbox Trained 666 out of 666 messages Training spam (/home/vmail/dhaval/.spam/cur): Reading as MH mailbox Trained 1231 out of 1231 messages But the problem is that the size of the db file still stays the same (the timestamp is updated). I have noticed that in the past, it has always become larger. Currently after training a brand new db file (12288 bytes) with the 666 good messages and 1231 spam messages, I get a db file that is only 2600960 bytes. I though that it was the spambayes package which came with debian so I removed it and downloaded the package from http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ and installed it but I still get the same results. If anyone has any suggestions on how I can go about troubleshooting this please let me know. Thanks, Dhaval From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Sun Jun 11 07:59:43 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:43 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <50096.213.118.146.89.1149966535.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: I'm trying to understand, how spambayes build the patterns or let say, how is a text analysed. I will be appreciated, if somebody has some understandable documents about this topic and could send to me. ? regards ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Sun Jun 11 09:55:56 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:55:56 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Image spam In-Reply-To: <50096.213.118.146.89.1149966535.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]Im Auftrag von Amedee Van Gasse Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Juni 2006 21:09 An: spambayes at python.org Betreff: [Spambayes] Image spam (Was: is the database empty) On Sat, June 10, 2006 15:16, Amedee Van Gasse said: > > On Sat, June 10, 2006 14:18, yahoo.de said: >> >> how could i train the SB to recognize emails with advertistment images >> for some product and so on? let see the email has no text, but onla an >> image in the body! (i know there are image scanner software for this >> purpose, but what could be done in such cases) > > Image spam is indeed a problem. Otoh, in my personal experience it's only > a problem in theory. In practice there are enough other spammy > characteristics in such emails. > > I don't know about image scanners specifically for spam detection, but I > think it's possible to feed emails trough such image scanners before > they are fed to spambayes. > > I can imagine one could make an ocr program that converts images to text > (if possible) and attaches the text to the email, which is subsequently > fed to spambayes. That way, spambayes virtually "reads" the image just > like a human does. > > Actually, you suggest something interesting. I'm going to try a few > things and if they work, I'll post it on the list. Hello again, I found an interesting program that might be exactly what you are looking for: ocrad. This is GNU software, can accept pbm files or standard input, and outputs text to standard output. So this is a commandline ocr program that can be used in a script. Don't worry about the pbm files, the ocred manual describes how to convert other image formats to pbm (jpeg, png, ps, pdf,...) So what you could do in a prefiltering script (like a procmail script) is: * extract the images from the email * convert them to pbm * send the pbm files to ocrad * attach the resulting text to the original mail * finally, let spambayes do its magic However I am a bit concerned about performance of doing an ocr of every single image you receive. Also I don't agree with the thesis that image spam (or banner spam) will not be recognised as spam by spambayes. I think spambayes *will* find enough tokens to give the mail a score that is not unsure. For the rare occasions that image spam will result in an unsure score, I suggest the following strategy: 1. score the email with spambayes (preliminary score) 2. everything with score 1 is 100% sure spam (high spam), so dump it to /dev/null (my thesis is that image spam will be caught most of the time) 3. for every mail that is "low ham", unsure, or "low spam" AND has an image, convert the image(s) to pbm, ocr with ocred, and attach text to email 4. rescore the email with spmabayes (final score) 5. continue with your usual filtering rules Note: high ham = 100% sure ham, messages with a score of 0.00 low ham = probably ham, but with a score > 0.00 (you can use other treshold values) low spam = probably spam, but with a score < 1.00 high spam = 100% sure spam, messages with a score of 1.00 The actual implementation of these ideas are left as an excercise to the reader :) -- Amedee Van Gasse ------------------------------------- >However I am a bit concerned about performance................ I think there is no other possibility if you will know what is in the image mail! You should have than more powerful features to check without losing performance. F.i. if in a parallel process with parallel threads Spambayes analyse more emails simultaneously, than the performance would not be as bad as somebody think(just an imagination!?) Apart from that, i had in the past a lot of spam mails with only one image in the body, were the filter has not a lot information about the content to verify the email as ham/spam ! This kind of spam are at the moment very in use by spamer. In this case has the filter only the header information, which is alone not scignificant to make a decision. _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From ralphduke at madasafish.com Sun Jun 11 22:51:39 2006 From: ralphduke at madasafish.com (ralphduke at madasafish.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:51:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: Spambayes not working Message-ID: <20060611205139.571281E4016@bag.python.org> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 222 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060611/94a57ea4/attachment.obj -------------- next part -------------- I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) (binary), with version 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 2). I have trained 0 ham and 0 spam. The problem I am having is I can't have configured correctly as my spam is still getting through & nothing being picked up at all!?! From skip at pobox.com Mon Jun 12 01:07:58 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:07:58 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Image spam In-Reply-To: References: <50096.213.118.146.89.1149966535.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <17548.41550.400113.740763@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> I found an interesting program that might be exactly what you are >> looking for: ocrad. This is GNU software, can accept pbm files or >> standard input, and outputs text to standard output. So this is a >> commandline ocr program that can be used in a script. Don't worry >> about the pbm files, the ocred manual describes how to convert other >> image formats to pbm (jpeg, png, ps, pdf,...) I gave this a whirl. Not so good for the samples I pulled out of my current spam database. The first image yielded: The Cr_i_i_er A TOTALLY NEW WAY TO EN_OY _EXl ThP C_a_|_|_P_ _a_P_ _hP p_a_|_ o__ o_ _P_ _o_ a_ p_pP_IP__P _ha_._ ||_P _o_hl_p Pl_P ComP a_d dl__o_P_ wha_ ma_y a_P _alll_p "The blgge__ new_ ln _oy_ _lnce _he vlbra_orl" A _o_ally _Pw way _o p_loy _P_ |_ o__P__ _omP o_ _hP mo__ _o_Pl a_d _P___al p_pP_IP__P_ po__lblP all |_ _ompa__ PIPpa__ dP_lp_ \ _ha_._ b_ll_ _o _hP hlphP__ __a_da_d_ o_ ___P_p_h a_d _Pllablll _ To __dP___a_d wha_ |_._ all abo__ yo_ ha_Plo _PP ll |_ a_llo_ al o__wPb _llP by _ Can you tell what it's about? Here's the second: clall_ _o_ Tab_ a_ low a_ __ TB _I___ llkP _PO_la_ Clall_ b__ _OP_lall_ _o_m_la_Pd _hP_P olll_ a_P _o_ and dl__ol_ablP _ndP__hP _onO_P ThP p_Prt o_ _hl_ |_ mo_P dl_Prt ab_o_O_lon ln_o _hP blood___Pam _a_hP_ _han _h_o_Oh _hP __oma_h RP__|_ - a OowPrf_| la__lnO p_Prt o_ _O _o _S ho___ _. ._ The third image caused an error message in giftopnm. Here's the fourth: _n_ Levl_ra Amblen _all_ _ 75 Pr_ac Vallum s1 21 Soma Vlagra 83 33 A bit better. Here are the last four (separated by "***"): Learn_y. *** _o_o tEhTIFIEO p__lw_ *** ?___?nA. *** AUTHORII_D *** DP_|_|7 IT N7_7' ,\ __ V _ - \ Doesn't look so useful to me. According to the ocrad README file: Caveats. For better results the characters should be at least 20 pixels high. Merged characters are always a problem. Try to avoid them. Very bold or very light (broken) characters are also a problem. Always see with your own eyes the pnm file before blaming ocrad for the results. Remember the saying, "garbage in, garbage out". Maybe a more mature OCR program would help, but ocrad seems to have a ways to go. Skip From amedee at amedee.be Mon Jun 12 01:18:53 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:18:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Image spam In-Reply-To: <17548.41550.400113.740763@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <50096.213.118.146.89.1149966535.squirrel@amedee.be> <17548.41550.400113.740763@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <53240.213.118.146.89.1150067933.squirrel@amedee.be> On Mon, June 12, 2006 1:07, skip at pobox.com said: > > >> I found an interesting program that might be exactly what you are > >> looking for: ocrad. This is GNU software, can accept pbm files or > >> standard input, and outputs text to standard output. So this is a > >> commandline ocr program that can be used in a script. Don't worry > >> about the pbm files, the ocred manual describes how to convert > other > >> image formats to pbm (jpeg, png, ps, pdf,...) > > I gave this a whirl. Not so good for the samples I pulled out of my > current > spam database. The first image yielded: *snip* > Doesn't look so useful to me. According to the ocrad README file: > > Caveats. > For better results the characters should be at least 20 pixels high. > Merged characters are always a problem. Try to avoid them. > Very bold or very light (broken) characters are also a problem. > Always see with your own eyes the pnm file before blaming ocrad for > the > results. Remember the saying, "garbage in, garbage out". > > Maybe a more mature OCR program would help, but ocrad seems to have a ways > to go. Skip, Thanks for testing. Well, it's better than nothing at all, and at least one of your tests revealed a well known blue pill :) If anyone knows about a better OCR program that works without a gui (and works on Linux) we could try some more. -- Amedee From shawn at 12pointdesign.com Mon Jun 12 02:00:51 2006 From: shawn at 12pointdesign.com (Shawn K. Hall) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:00:51 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Image spam In-Reply-To: <17548.41550.400113.740763@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <075e01c68db3$44a3dd90$0a00a8c0@daddy> > I gave this a whirl. Not so good for the samples I pulled > out of my current spam database. Considering the way SpamBayes works, I think these results are very acceptable. They're "unlikely" words, so will yield pretty good results after a few of these ad-images' text are trained. Stuff like "EN_OY", "_EXl", "blgge__", "_he", "vlbra_orl" will likely apear consistently for all spam images that are converted, and unlikely to appear in legitimate images. Regards, Shawn K. Hall http://12PointDesign.com/ http://ReliableAnswers.com/ From tim at aterraform.com Mon Jun 12 03:41:28 2006 From: tim at aterraform.com (Tim Stone) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:41:28 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Image spam In-Reply-To: <075e01c68db3$44a3dd90$0a00a8c0@daddy> References: <075e01c68db3$44a3dd90$0a00a8c0@daddy> Message-ID: <448CC648.1080208@aterraform.com> As the Open Source adage goes... you itch, you scratch Who itches enough to implement this? IIRC, we had a long discussion about this a long time ago, and decided that if enough image spam were being misclassified, we might take a look at it this idea. I don't have enough misclassifications to give me an irresistable itch.... Shawn K. Hall wrote: >>I gave this a whirl. Not so good for the samples I pulled >>out of my current spam database. >> >> > >Considering the way SpamBayes works, I think these results are very >acceptable. They're "unlikely" words, so will yield pretty good results >after a few of these ad-images' text are trained. Stuff like "EN_OY", >"_EXl", "blgge__", "_he", "vlbra_orl" will likely apear consistently for >all spam images that are converted, and unlikely to appear in legitimate >images. > >Regards, > >Shawn K. Hall >http://12PointDesign.com/ >http://ReliableAnswers.com/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SpamBayes at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > > > > > From tim at aterraform.com Mon Jun 12 03:43:39 2006 From: tim at aterraform.com (Tim Stone) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:43:39 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <448CC6CB.60704@aterraform.com> In this instance, the system is fairly well self-documented. There are extensive comments in the code, including a fairly detailed explanation of the tokenization scheme. I'd suggest that you check out the source files and look at them. Even if you're not a programmer, the comments are quite readable. The source is available at spambayes.sourceforge.net yahoo.de wrote: >I'm trying to understand, how spambayes build the patterns or let say, how >is a text analysed. >I will be appreciated, if somebody has some understandable documents about >this topic and could send to me. >? >regards > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de >_______________________________________________ >SpamBayes at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > > > > > From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Mon Jun 12 07:38:14 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:38:14 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] was no subject (where can find documentation) In-Reply-To: <448CC6CB.60704@aterraform.com> Message-ID: I 'm not a Programmer and i have no experience with Python (a little with java) What should i do in this case, go along the whole code only to know how is the technique to create a token? I dont know at least in which file i will find information about the token! Apart from that, i 'm not sure if i can understand it from only code, therefore is better for people like me to see some Texts and simultaneously read code i think. I will be happy if you have such documentation and could send me :) ?? regards Could you te -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tim Stone [mailto:tim at aterraform.com] Gesendet: Montag, 12. Juni 2006 03:44 An: yahoo.de Cc: spambayes at python.org Betreff: Re: [Spambayes] (no subject) In this instance, the system is fairly well self-documented. There are extensive comments in the code, including a fairly detailed explanation of the tokenization scheme. I'd suggest that you check out the source files and look at them. Even if you're not a programmer, the comments are quite readable. The source is available at spambayes.sourceforge.net yahoo.de wrote: >I'm trying to understand, how spambayes build the patterns or let say, how >is a text analysed. >I will be appreciated, if somebody has some understandable documents about >this topic and could send to me. >? >regards > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de >_______________________________________________ >SpamBayes at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From tim.peters at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 08:20:57 2006 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:20:57 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] was no subject (where can find documentation) In-Reply-To: References: <448CC6CB.60704@aterraform.com> Message-ID: <1f7befae0606112320j7fdf6dcfk62ec399da42dd6f9@mail.gmail.com> [mpas1342 at yahoo.de] > I 'm not a Programmer and i have no experience with Python > (a little with java) > What should i do in this case, go along the whole code only to > know how is the technique to create a token? Yes. Tokenization is an algorithm, and you simply can't understand the details without reading some code. The (very) short course is that SpamBayes tokenizes by splitting on whitespace, and ignoring case distinctions. Most of the time, but not all of the time. > I dont know at least in which file i will find information about the token! tokenizer.py contains all the tokenization code. > Apart from that, i 'm not sure if i can understand it from only code, > therefore > is better for people like me to see some Texts and > simultaneously read code i think. > I will be happy if you have such > documentation and could send me :) > ?? There is no such documentation, although as Tim Stone said: Even if you're not a programmer, the comments are quite readable. So try that. Feel free to ask questions if you get stuck. That _has_ to work better than continuing to ask for something that doesn't exist :-) From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jun 12 09:25:43 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:25:43 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] is the database empty In-Reply-To: <448AD11E.1080200@aterraform.com> References: <45652.213.118.146.89.1149941056.squirrel@amedee.be> <38129.213.118.146.89.1149945415.squirrel@amedee.be> <448AD11E.1080200@aterraform.com> Message-ID: <47E41771-A77A-4DFD-B54E-A8CF57D67DBE@ihug.co.nz> [Amedee Van Gasse] >> PS: please don't do "reply all", reply to the list. [Tim Stone] > The problem here is if the sender is not subscribed, they'll never > get the response. If you respond to the sender only, then the list > doesn't see the response... [...] > It makes some duplicates, but everyone is assured of seeing the > response. IIRC, Mailman is clever enough to not send you a copy of messages you are already getting (assuming a single email address per person), too, so there shouldn't be much in the way of duplicates either. (IIRC, this is a configuration option, but I don't recall if it's one that an admin has, or one that users have. Either way, I'm pretty sure this is on for spambayes at python.org). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jun 12 09:28:47 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:28:47 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] is the database empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [Amedee Van Gasse] >> The most efficient way to fill your database, is to let spambayes >> train on >> unsures and on mistakes. ['yahoo.de'] > what do you mean with train on mistake? Train on any spam that SpamBayes classifies as ham (false negatives), any ham that SpamBayes classifies as spam (false positives), and any messages that SpamBayes is unsure about. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Mon Jun 12 09:31:28 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:31:28 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] was no subject (where can find documentation) In-Reply-To: <1f7befae0606112320j7fdf6dcfk62ec399da42dd6f9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.peters at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 12. Juni 2006 08:21 An: yahoo.de Cc: spambayes at python.org Betreff: Re: [Spambayes] was no subject (where can find documentation) [mpas1342 at yahoo.de] > I 'm not a Programmer and i have no experience with Python > (a little with java) > What should i do in this case, go along the whole code only to > know how is the technique to create a token? Yes. Tokenization is an algorithm, and you simply can't understand the details without reading some code. The (very) short course is that SpamBayes tokenizes by splitting on whitespace, and ignoring case distinctions. Most of the time, but not all of the time. > I dont know at least in which file i will find information about the token! tokenizer.py contains all the tokenization code. > Apart from that, i 'm not sure if i can understand it from only code, > therefore > is better for people like me to see some Texts and > simultaneously read code i think. > I will be happy if you have such > documentation and could send me :) > ?? There is no such documentation, although as Tim Stone said: Even if you're not a programmer, the comments are quite readable. So try that. Feel free to ask questions if you get stuck. That _has_ to work better than continuing to ask for something that doesn't exist :-) ---------------------------------------------------------- Ok, i take a look on it later. But there is q Question regarding withespaces and token's building. Let consiider this sample: I get an email with only this paraghraph on the body: Sun is shining. if you say because of wiithspaces there are only: 1-sun 2-is 3-shining to be checked,i will ask what is with the substrings in sun and shining 1-sun 2-su 3-un and all combinations for shinig like 4-shining 5-hining 6-ining 7-ning 8-ing 9-ng ? Because the spam email could contain at this paragraph spam words like this: sunBuy is shinigViagra i hope the sample is understandable:-) ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jun 12 09:32:32 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:32:32 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Image spam In-Reply-To: <448CC648.1080208@aterraform.com> References: <075e01c68db3$44a3dd90$0a00a8c0@daddy> <448CC648.1080208@aterraform.com> Message-ID: [Tim Stone, regarding classifying image-based spam] > As the Open Source adage goes... you itch, you scratch Who > itches enough to implement this? IIRC, we had a long discussion about > this a long time ago, and decided that if enough image spam were being > misclassified, we might take a look at it this idea. I don't have > enough misclassifications to give me an irresistable itch.... FWIW, I'm both itching and scratching. I haven't bothered spambayes- dev with posts about my failed ideas (I will post when there's something I think is worth testing by others), but if there are others who are interested in working on this at the moment, please speak up and I'll be more vocal about the failures. (I am documenting the failures, and will put that somewhere at some point). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jun 12 09:39:18 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:39:18 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] was no subject (where can find documentation) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84CBFE6E-7D97-49A9-96D0-8BF642E82836@ihug.co.nz> ['yahoo.de'] > Ok, i take a look on it later. If you took a look at it now, you might not need to ask this <0.5 wink>. > But there is q Question regarding withespaces > and token's building. > Let consiider this sample: > I get an email with only this paraghraph on the body: > Sun is shining. > if you say because of wiithspaces there are only: > 1-sun > 2-is > 3-shining > to be checked, In short: yes. In reality, we skip any tokens less than three characters in length, and there are also many tokens from the headers. > i will ask what is with the substrings in sun and shining > > 1-sun > 2-su > 3-un > > and all combinations for shinig like > 4-shining > 5-hining > 6-ining > 7-ning > 8-ing > 9-ng > > ? > Because the spam email could contain at this paragraph spam words > like this: > sunBuy is shinigViagra > i hope the sample is understandable:-) Look for mention of "character n-grams" in the comments in tokenizer.py for discussion about this. In short, 'words' work better and have the added bonus of resulting in (mostly) human- understandable tokens. Your example (assuming there are no header tokens) would either be spam (another spam using these embedded words has already been trained), or unsure (they have never been seen before). Your example is also extremely unclear - it does a very poor job at selling, which is the whole point, after all. So a spammer gains little, and has lost a lot. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Mon Jun 12 10:05:27 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:05:27 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] was no subject (where can find documentation) In-Reply-To: <84CBFE6E-7D97-49A9-96D0-8BF642E82836@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz] Gesendet: Montag, 12. Juni 2006 09:39 An: yahoo.de Cc: Tim Peters; spambayes at python.org Betreff: Re: [Spambayes] was no subject (where can find documentation) ['yahoo.de'] > Ok, i take a look on it later. If you took a look at it now, you might not need to ask this <0.5 wink>. > But there is q Question regarding withespaces > and token's building. > Let consiider this sample: > I get an email with only this paraghraph on the body: > Sun is shining. > if you say because of wiithspaces there are only: > 1-sun > 2-is > 3-shining > to be checked, In short: yes. In reality, we skip any tokens less than three characters in length, and there are also many tokens from the headers. > i will ask what is with the substrings in sun and shining > > 1-sun > 2-su > 3-un > > and all combinations for shinig like > 4-shining > 5-hining > 6-ining > 7-ning > 8-ing > 9-ng > > ? > Because the spam email could contain at this paragraph spam words > like this: > sunBuy is shinigViagra > i hope the sample is understandable:-) Look for mention of "character n-grams" in the comments in tokenizer.py for discussion about this. In short, 'words' work better and have the added bonus of resulting in (mostly) human- understandable tokens. Your example (assuming there are no header tokens) would either be spam (another spam using these embedded words has already been trained), or unsure (they have never been seen before). Your example is also extremely unclear - it does a very poor job at selling, which is the whole point, after all. So a spammer gains little, and has lost a lot. =Tony.Meyer -------------------------------------------------- 1-and if the sample is like this: sunBuy is shinigViagrawww.xyx.com/dfdf.html ? 2-how manytokens will be there? -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From amedee at amedee.be Mon Jun 12 11:04:17 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:04:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Image spam In-Reply-To: References: <075e01c68db3$44a3dd90$0a00a8c0@daddy> <448CC648.1080208@aterraform.com> Message-ID: <47414.82.146.101.169.1150103057.squirrel@amedee.be> On Mon, June 12, 2006 9:32, Tony Meyer said: > [Tim Stone, regarding classifying image-based spam] >> As the Open Source adage goes... you itch, you scratch Who >> itches enough to implement this? IIRC, we had a long discussion about >> this a long time ago, and decided that if enough image spam were being >> misclassified, we might take a look at it this idea. I don't have >> enough misclassifications to give me an irresistable itch.... > > FWIW, I'm both itching and scratching. I haven't bothered spambayes- > dev with posts about my failed ideas (I will post when there's > something I think is worth testing by others), but if there are > others who are interested in working on this at the moment, please > speak up and I'll be more vocal about the failures. > > (I am documenting the failures, and will put that somewhere at some > point). As another Open Source adage goes... do only one thing, and do that thing perfectly. Please don't overload spambayes with ocr capabilities or other kitchensinks. All spambayes should do (imho) is tokenize an email, and give a score to each token. What I think *might* be an interesting approach, is chaining different software together. But only for those extremely rare cases when spambayes doesn't get enough information from the headers. It's an interesting thought experiment - but ony that: a thought experiment. After several months of using spambayes I don't feel any itch at all... -- Amedee From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jun 12 11:28:14 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:28:14 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] was no subject (where can find documentation) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ['yahoo.de'] > 1-and if the sample is like this: > sunBuy is shinigViagrawww.xyx.com/dfdf.html > ? > > 2-how manytokens will be there? Marshall:~/spambayes tameyer$ python -c "from spambayes import tokenizer;print list(tokenizer.tokenize('sunBuy is shinigViagrawww.xyx.com/dfdf.html'))" ['content-type:text/plain', 'from:none', 'to:none', 'cc:none', 'sender:none', 'reply-to:none', 'x-mailer:none', 'message- id:invalid', 'sunbuy', 'skip:s 30'] The first eight tokens (the ones with colons) are all header tokens, so I presume the answer you are looking for is "two". It is just as Tim & Tim said: basically it's split-on-whitespace, and reading tokenizer.py is what you should do to learn more (and ask questions if parts don't make sense). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jun 12 11:42:52 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:42:52 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Image spam In-Reply-To: <47414.82.146.101.169.1150103057.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <075e01c68db3$44a3dd90$0a00a8c0@daddy> <448CC648.1080208@aterraform.com> <47414.82.146.101.169.1150103057.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: [Tony Meyer,regarding classifying image-based spam] >> FWIW, I'm both itching and scratching. [...] >> (I am documenting the failures, and will put that somewhere at some >> point). [Amedee Van Gasse] > As another Open Source adage goes... do only one thing, and do that > thing > perfectly. > Please don't overload spambayes with ocr capabilities or other > kitchensinks. I think it's pretty clear that I have no intention of doing that. If I did, then I've had plenty of opportunity to do so already, and haven't done so. There is a considerable difference between tokenizing an image and "overloading" spambayes. I have no intention to use any sort of OCR (partly because it doesn't really work well). As Tim said, you can read discussion about that in the past (it was rejected as an idea then, too). I think there's even a sourceforge ticket open regarding image-based spam. > All spambayes should do (imho) is tokenize an email, and > give a score to each token. If that's all you want spambayes to do, then just get the classifier.py and tokenizer.py files, and leave the rest alone. However, for spambayes to be of use to most people, there needs to be more (some sort of persistent database, options handling, a convenient training interface, a non-intrusive classification system, etc). IAC, I am not talking about anything other than this. However, it seems clear to me that valuable tokens could be generated from images, rather than simply ignoring them as spambayes currently does. If I do find something that appears to work well (across multiple corpora), then it will be checked in as an experimental option, so that users can try it out. If it helps most people, then it will probably make it out of experimental status. If it appears to help everyone, without hurting anyone (or fairly close), then it might get turned on by default. That's a *long* way off, however. The position of the spambayes development is pretty clear on this. In the words of our fearless leader: """ A subtler point is that you should never keep a change that doesn't *prove* itself a winner: neutral changes bloat your code with proven irrelevancies that will come back to make your life harder later, in part because they'll randomly interfere with future changes in ways that make it harder to recognize a significant change when you stumble into one. """ (from TESTING.txt in the distribution). If you look through the spambayes-dev archives (or spambayes at python.org archives before that list existed), you'll find plenty of changes that were considered and rejected. > What I think *might* be an interesting approach, is chaining different > software together. But only for those extremely rare cases when > spambayes > doesn't get enough information from the headers. It's an interesting > thought experiment - but ony that: a thought experiment. Plenty of other people already do this. If you are interested, there's plenty in the archives about this, too. The most obvious example can be found in the FAQ about adding white/blacklisting, but there's also doing DNS blacklist checks, and so forth. > After several months of using spambayes I don't feel any itch at > all... But after several years, I do, so I'm scratching. If you see something checked in that you think is some sort of bloat, then feel free to argue that on spambayes-dev. Reverting a change isn't hard, and if someone is willing to take the time to test a change I make to find evidence against it to counter my evidence, I'm more than happy to discuss it and revert it if necessary. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From dwadd at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 12 15:57:46 2006 From: dwadd at sbcglobal.net (SBC) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:57:46 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes Message-ID: <000601c68e28$2f5b0c90$4a01a8c0@JUBILEE> I installed spambayes using Outlook Express and it does nothing. Is it compatible with Windows XP Mediacenter? Daryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060612/f1de0e46/attachment.html From dhaval at patel.sh Mon Jun 12 18:00:59 2006 From: dhaval at patel.sh (Dhaval Patel) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:00:59 -0000 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes ineffective help Message-ID: Hello all, I sent an email a few days ago but it might not have gotten through because I did not have a PTR entry for my domain and the mailing list requires it. The problem that I am having is that spambayes is not effective in identifying spam on my new server. On my old server with a totally different setup it worked perfectly. Here is a description of the new setup. I am using Debian Sarge + postfix + Maildrop with spambayes. I have virtual users which are handeled by the real user vmail. Each user has their own maildroprc file (similar to procmailrc) which uses that specific user's spambayes db file. I originally copied all the old db files over from my old server but I noticed more spam getting to the unsure and INBOX folders. I noticed that the daily training was not changing the size of the db file at all. I removed the db file for my user and created a new one with "sb_filter.py -n -d /home/vmail/.spambayes/dhaval.db". This file turned out to be 12288 bytes. I then proceed to train this db file with my INBOX of 1379 messgaes and spam folder with 1336 messages. I would think that after this many messages of fairly recent emails, I would have a very effective db to filter spam. But the problem is that many spam emails still end up in my unsure and INBOX. I have read that you can adjust the thresholds, I am just using the defaults right now as this is what I did on the old server and it worked very well. Can anybody suggest something to help me troubleshoot this problem? Thanks, Dhaval From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Mon Jun 12 18:22:41 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:22:41 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] worked actually last week In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It worked actually last week , but now will not work :) ?? Here the command and the Error: D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -d default_bayes_database.db -f 123.db.exporte Traceback (most recent call last): File "D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 246, in ? runExport(dbFN, useDBM, flatFN) File "D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 128, in runExport words.remove(bayes.statekey) ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Wed Jun 14 13:11:21 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:11:21 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] use pop3 proxy server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I read this at http://spambayes.cvs.sourceforge.net/spambayes/website/faq.txt?revision=1.91 &view=markup : The POP3 proxy. This sits between your email client (Eudora, Outlook Express, etc) and your incoming email server, and adds the classification header to emails as you download them. The proxy is run by the sb_server script, and, on Windows, can be controlled via a 'tray application' (an icon that appears in the tray next to the clock). A typical user's email setup looks And i read too, that Spambayes adds the classification header to emails as you download by default.My Question is, what is than the difference between Usin Spambayes with proxy andusing it without using it with proxy!!!!??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060614/6c1eba4e/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SourceForge.net CVS Repository - [spambayes] View of websitefaq.txt.URL Type: application/octet-stream Size: 112 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060614/6c1eba4e/attachment.obj From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jun 14 13:37:50 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:37:50 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] use pop3 proxy server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > what is than the difference between Usin Spambayes with proxy > andusing it without using it with proxy!!!! ??? If you use Microsoft Outlook, then you can use the Outlook plug-in, which doesn't use the proxy (it relies on Outlook telling the plug-in that there is new mail, and uses the Outlook interface to process the mail). If you use IMAP, then you use the IMAP filter, which periodically runs through the IMAP account and processes any new mail. If you use something like procmail to process your mail, then you can use sb_filter to classify/train individual messages. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From amedee at amedee.be Wed Jun 14 13:54:55 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:54:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] use pop3 proxy server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47276.82.146.101.169.1150286095.squirrel@amedee.be> On Wed, June 14, 2006 13:37, Tony Meyer said: >> what is than the difference between Usin Spambayes with proxy >> andusing it without using it with proxy!!!! ??? > > If you use Microsoft Outlook, then you can use the Outlook plug-in, > which doesn't use the proxy (it relies on Outlook telling the plug-in > that there is new mail, and uses the Outlook interface to process the > mail). If you use IMAP, then you use the IMAP filter, which > periodically runs through the IMAP account and processes any new > mail. If you use something like procmail to process your mail, then > you can use sb_filter to classify/train individual messages. Currently I use procmail to process my mail and move it to appropriate maildirs (or /dev/null if it is spam) and I use IMAP (dovecot) to read my mail with thunderbird when I'm at home or with squirrelmail when I'm somewhere else. I read http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/HowToUseImapFilter but I still don't know yet what the pros/cons are for the IMAP filter compared to the sb_filter. Can someone enlighten me? -- Amedee From spolak at ft.newyorklife.com Wed Jun 14 16:01:12 2006 From: spolak at ft.newyorklife.com (Stephen Polak) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:01:12 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Program Will Not Load Message-ID: Dear Programmer: When I start Outlook the program generates the attached message "unregistered" how do I register it? 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My next Problem question is a posting from yesterday, where nobody answerd to it: This command worked actually ever, but now will not work :) ?? Here the command and the Error: D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -d default_bayes_database.db -f 123.db.exporte Traceback (most recent call last): File "D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 246, in ? runExport(dbFN, useDBM, flatFN) File "D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 128, in runExport words.remove(bayes.statekey) ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 13:38 An: yahoo.de Cc: spambayes at python.org Betreff: Re: [Spambayes] use pop3 proxy server > what is than the difference between Usin Spambayes with proxy > andusing it without using it with proxy!!!! ??? If you use Microsoft Outlook, then you can use the Outlook plug-in, which doesn't use the proxy (it relies on Outlook telling the plug-in that there is new mail, and uses the Outlook interface to process the mail). If you use IMAP, then you use the IMAP filter, which periodically runs through the IMAP account and processes any new mail. If you use something like procmail to process your mail, then you can use sb_filter to classify/train individual messages. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From jsp at PKC.com Wed Jun 14 16:44:20 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:44:20 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Program Will Not Load Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D0489B@PKCVT01.pkc.com> A word to the wise: no message footer can prevent "dissemination, distribution, copying, or disclosure" when you post to a public list like this one. In fact, such footers are probably toothless in any situation and serve only to annoy. It's your responsibility how and to whom you transmit information, and recipients tend to dislike attempts to shift your responsibility to them. If New York Life appends this notice to all your messages, you might tell them how it's being received. In your line of work, confidentiality is important, and I would advise using secure means when transmitting anything sensitive. Messages sent over the internet pass through a lot of network infrastructure and could be intercepted at many points along the way, even if you send them to exactly and only the correct recipient(s). It's up to you to protect them. Weak but simple security is available by password-protecting zip files; public-key cryptography provides more security, but is harder to set up. If you wanted my business, you'd have to do the latter. Now that's off my chest: your message had a couple of log files (one empty) attached, but I didn't see any unregistered message. Did you intend to attach a screen shot? What's the full text of the message? Are you running Outlook or Outlook Express? ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Polak Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:01 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Program Will Not Load Dear Programmer: When I start Outlook the program generates the attached message "unregistered" how do I register it? Sincerely, Stephen Polak, MS, CPA/PFS Stephen Polak, CPA - PLC 130 Red Clover Way Milton, VT 05468 Office: (802) 893-6624 Fax: (802) 891-1214 Cell: (802) 338-7009 E-mail: polakcpa at adelphia.net Vermont CPA License Number - 001-0000920 Accounting Firm Number - 092-0000601 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If New York Life appends this > notice to all your messages, you might tell them how it's being > received. > > In your line of work, confidentiality is important, and I would advise > using secure means when transmitting anything sensitive. Messages sent > over the internet pass through a lot of network infrastructure and could > be intercepted at many points along the way, even if you send them to > exactly and only the correct recipient(s). It's up to you to protect > them. Weak but simple security is available by password-protecting zip > files; public-key cryptography provides more security, but is harder to > set up. If you wanted my business, you'd have to do the latter. I will let my (anti-)disclaimer speak for itself. :) Amedee. -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it on usenet. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message. From chris at timezulu.com.au Thu Jun 15 03:38:09 2006 From: chris at timezulu.com.au (Chris Schirlinger) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:38:09 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] Database Corruption: Defragmentation Message-ID: <449146A1.27179.9992EE@chris.timezulu.com.au> I hope this is the right place for this, just following the FAQ :) I have managed to corrupt my database multiple times, and I believe I know why it is happening (to me at least) The corruption shows itself as "fatal region error detected; run recovery" error when trying to train Spambayes. Every time this has happened, has been after I have defragmented the drive using a 3rd party disk defragmentor called DiskKeeper Professional version 10.0 SpamBayes was running while DiskKeeper was defragmenting, and the defragment process took sufficient time (unattended) that my email program (Pegasus) would have attempted to download email multiple times during the process. The fix for me at least, is to close SpamBayes and email progams when defragmenting, something I should have done in the first place but forgot to do. From jstraw at stellartechonline.com Thu Jun 15 16:00:30 2006 From: jstraw at stellartechonline.com (JimStraw) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:00:30 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] I read the trouble-shooting guide and still need help Message-ID: I really like the product, but it has quit working. I tried reconfiguring and etc. several times. I read the trouble-shooting guide and still need help ------------ shows my level of computer and lack program skills. The message says (MAPI_E_OBJECT_DELETED) .don?t. know how it was deleted. Operating system ---- Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 SpamBays Outlook Addin Binary Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) Thanks, Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060615/1edcede8/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 12050 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060615/1edcede8/attachment.obj -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Simply move it out of there and things should be fine again. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jun 15 23:59:36 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:59:36 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes: Outlook Plug-in Questions In-Reply-To: <004d01c68fdd$7941fd30$7364a8c0@Michael> References: <004d01c68fdd$7941fd30$7364a8c0@Michael> Message-ID: > I have two questions regarding your program v1.0.4. 1) Can it be > used on a machine running Windows XP Pro and Office XP (2002), > where there are multiple User profiles each having their own > Outlook profile and PST file? Yes. > 2) What do I do if I run the installation but when I launch Outlook > no Configuration Wizard pops up? Assuming that this is in relation to (1), you have to register the plug-in for all users. The 1.1 installer offers to do this, but with 1.0.4, you have to do it manually. The troubleshooting guide has detailed instructions; ask if you have any troubles. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jun 16 00:03:17 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:03:17 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Program Will Not Load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7137A776-9B29-47FE-8A1F-1A919E973523@ihug.co.nz> > When I start Outlook the program generates the attached message > ?unregistered? how do I register it? There's no code in SpamBayes anywhere that includes the word "unregistered". Are you trying to register Outlook itself? In that case, you'll have to ask Microsoft. If this is something to do with SpamBayes, can you be more specific? [Your log files, as mentioned already, were odd. You attached a log from the POP3 proxy, which you shouldn't be using with Outlook, and an empty log file from the Outlook plug-in - but the fourth oldest, not the most recent]. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jun 16 00:05:41 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:05:41 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] use pop3 proxy server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C7758FE-87A2-482E-85AF-8439D9BC53E3@ihug.co.nz> > ok, let summary it to know, if i understood you! > you mean the the spambayes proxy > is for the case where spambayes > plugin is not exist for > a special mail client, or better to say > the proxy does not expand the functionality of the spambayes(has no > special > feature;is that what you are meaning? The POP3 proxy is a way to use SpamBayes to classify messages retrieved using the POP3 protocol. > My next Problem question is a posting from yesterday, where nobody > answerd > to it: You have to be patient - it may take a few days before anyone has a chance to answer. > This command worked actually ever, but now will not work :) > ?? > Here the command and the Error: > D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -d > default_bayes_database.db -f 123.db.exporte > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 246, in ? > runExport(dbFN, useDBM, flatFN) > File "D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 128, in > runExport > words.remove(bayes.statekey) > > ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list Is default_bayes_database.db definitely a bsddb file? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jun 16 00:07:27 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:07:27 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] use pop3 proxy server In-Reply-To: <47276.82.146.101.169.1150286095.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <47276.82.146.101.169.1150286095.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <13AFFF1B-A659-422E-A109-D2D65A50A065@ihug.co.nz> > I read http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/HowToUseImapFilter but I still > don't > know yet what the pros/cons are for the IMAP filter compared to the > sb_filter. You can use the IMAP filter when you only have access to your mailbox via IMAP (e.g. your ISP provides you with this access). If you are running your own IMAP server, then you are probably better off using sb_filter. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From aokulitc at nrcan.gc.ca Fri Jun 16 03:18:49 2006 From: aokulitc at nrcan.gc.ca (Okulitch, Andrew) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:18:49 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Reinstallation of spambayes on my upgraded computer Message-ID: I requested a download. I was asked to select a mirror. I have no idea what this is or why I need to do this. I just want to have spambayes back. I love it. Thanks for any help. Andrew Okulitch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060615/eea31b22/attachment-0001.html From tim.peters at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 05:07:07 2006 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:07:07 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Reinstallation of spambayes on my upgraded computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f7befae0606152007y42c38279i55967b3fc837818c@mail.gmail.com> [Okulitch, Andrew] > I requested a download. I was asked to select a mirror. I have no idea > what this is or why I need to do this. "A mirror" is a machine on which a copy of the software lives. The software lives on many mirrors. In theory, it would be nice if you picked a mirror that's geographically close to you, to minimize network traffic. For example, if you live in Australia, it's nicer if you pick a mirror in Australia than a mirror in Oklahoma. You know where you live, but the mirrors don't know where you live, so they can't make that choice for you. If you don't know either, pick any mirror. > I just want to have spambayes back. I love it. Thanks for any help. Pick a mirror :-) From amedee at amedee.be Fri Jun 16 09:07:21 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:07:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] use pop3 proxy server In-Reply-To: <13AFFF1B-A659-422E-A109-D2D65A50A065@ihug.co.nz> References: <47276.82.146.101.169.1150286095.squirrel@amedee.be> <13AFFF1B-A659-422E-A109-D2D65A50A065@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <60366.82.146.101.169.1150441641.squirrel@amedee.be> On Fri, June 16, 2006 0:07, Tony Meyer said: >> I read http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/HowToUseImapFilter but I still >> don't >> know yet what the pros/cons are for the IMAP filter compared to the >> sb_filter. > > You can use the IMAP filter when you only have access to your mailbox > via IMAP (e.g. your ISP provides you with this access). If you are > running your own IMAP server, then you are probably better off using > sb_filter. Aaaaaaah! That explains a lot. TNX! From amedee at amedee.be Fri Jun 16 09:10:57 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:10:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Spambayes] Reinstallation of spambayes on my upgraded computer In-Reply-To: <1f7befae0606152007y42c38279i55967b3fc837818c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f7befae0606152007y42c38279i55967b3fc837818c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60625.82.146.101.169.1150441857.squirrel@amedee.be> On Fri, June 16, 2006 5:07, Tim Peters said: > You know where you live, but the mirrors don't know where you live, so > they can't make that choice for you. If you don't know either, pick any > mirror. That is not 100% true... if the mirrors use MaxMind's GeoIP: http://www.maxmind.com/app/ip-location -- Amedee From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Fri Jun 16 10:40:40 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:40:40 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] use pop3 proxy server In-Reply-To: <2C7758FE-87A2-482E-85AF-8439D9BC53E3@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: (1) >Is default_bayes_database.db definitely a bsddb file? I think so, because default_bayes_database is the original db which is created by spambayes automatically after the installation!?? (2) >The POP3 proxy is a way to use SpamBayes to classify messages >retrieved using the POP3 protocol.I and In your former posting you said: > If you use Microsoft Outlook, then you can use the Outlook plug-in, > which doesn't use the proxy (it relies on Outlook telling the plug-in > that there is new mail, and uses the Outlook interface to process the > mail). If you use IMAP, then ..................... All together I still understand so, in client like outlook, I don't need use pop3 proxy because 1-outlook operate in this case like the proxy and say the plug-in that there is a new email ? 2-I use the pop3 protocol with outlook automatically ?? -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz] Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Juni 2006 00:06 An: yahoo.de Cc: spambayes at python.org Betreff: Re: AW: [Spambayes] use pop3 proxy server > ok, let summary it to know, if i understood you! > you mean the the spambayes proxy > is for the case where spambayes > plugin is not exist for > a special mail client, or better to say > the proxy does not expand the functionality of the spambayes(has no > special > feature;is that what you are meaning? The POP3 proxy is a way to use SpamBayes to classify messages retrieved using the POP3 protocol. > My next Problem question is a posting from yesterday, where nobody > answerd > to it: You have to be patient - it may take a few days before anyone has a chance to answer. > This command worked actually ever, but now will not work :) > ?? > Here the command and the Error: > D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -d > default_bayes_database.db -f 123.db.exporte > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 246, in ? > runExport(dbFN, useDBM, flatFN) > File "D:\spambayes-1.1a2\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 128, in > runExport > words.remove(bayes.statekey) > > ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list Is default_bayes_database.db definitely a bsddb file? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jun 16 12:53:39 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:53:39 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] use pop3 proxy server In-Reply-To: <47276.82.146.101.169.1150286095.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <47276.82.146.101.169.1150286095.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <1C45E25F-063F-41AE-B4C3-7A0168B40F5F@ihug.co.nz> > I read http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/HowToUseImapFilter but I still > don't > know yet what the pros/cons are for the IMAP filter compared to the > sb_filter. You can use the IMAP filter when you only have access to your mailbox via IMAP (e.g. your ISP provides you with this access). If you are running your own IMAP server, then you are probably better off using sb_filter. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tim at aterraform.com Fri Jun 16 21:54:16 2006 From: tim at aterraform.com (Tim Stone) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:54:16 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Reinstallation of spambayes on my upgraded computer In-Reply-To: <60625.82.146.101.169.1150441857.squirrel@amedee.be> References: <1f7befae0606152007y42c38279i55967b3fc837818c@mail.gmail.com> <60625.82.146.101.169.1150441857.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <44930C68.1000704@aterraform.com> Nothing is 100% true, but in this case, Tim's as close as you can get. Amedee Van Gasse wrote: >On Fri, June 16, 2006 5:07, Tim Peters said: > > >>You know where you live, but the mirrors don't know where you live, so >>they can't make that choice for you. If you don't know either, pick any >>mirror. >> >> > >That is not 100% true... if the mirrors use MaxMind's GeoIP: >http://www.maxmind.com/app/ip-location > > > From service at IRS.gov Fri Jun 16 23:39:48 2006 From: service at IRS.gov (Internal Revenue Service) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:39:48 +0900 (JST) Subject: [Spambayes] refund of $63.80 Message-ID: <20060616213948.5AD47BE0E62@iserver.gleason.jp> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How nice.  Is that $63.80 for each of us, or just for the > Spambayes > executives? >

Rich Barger >
Kansas City I didn't know I paid taxes in the US of A? Amedee (paying more than enough taxes in Belgium) -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it on usenet. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message. From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Mon Jun 19 11:18:03 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:18:03 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Do SB check the Attachment too? In-Reply-To: <60366.82.146.101.169.1150441641.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: I believe that spambayes has no functionality to search in attachmennts? I send an attachment with spam content and i see in spam clue, that there is no Token from the attachhment and the email is classified as ham!!!? ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From tim.peters at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 11:44:52 2006 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:44:52 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Do SB check the Attachment too? In-Reply-To: References: <60366.82.146.101.169.1150441641.squirrel@amedee.be> Message-ID: <1f7befae0606190244p226fd4c3j48696b89556058c4@mail.gmail.com> [yahoo.de] > I believe that spambayes has no functionality to search in attachmennts? > I send an attachment with spam content and i see in spam clue, that there is > no Token from the attachhment and the email is classified as ham!!!? While some details depend in part on which version of SB you're using, and on some option settings, in general it's correct that SB has no interest in attachments. Remember that we're looking for spam here, and nothing other than spam. Text buried in an attachment isn't visible unless the user takes explicit action to look at it, so text buried in an attachment is worthless to spammers: they're trying to grab your attention (well, they're really trying to get your money ;-)), and no person with minimal knowledge of reality ever clicks on an attachment they weren't expecting. Instead, adding attachments would just increase the size of their spam, boosting the per-message cost of sending it, with no payback. Authors of viruses and Trojans (etc) have very different aims. They're not trying to sell you anything -- their audience is computer newbies still so naive that they'll open any attachment. While that's a major problem, it's not spam, and SB isn't aiming at that. Such attachments are typically binary (not textual) data anyway. Then there's rare Asian commercial spam that sometimes attaches a very large (like a megabyte) PDF catalog. I expect that's rare precisely because it's so much more expensive to send. It's telling that when I see one of those, I never see the same one again (newbie spammers can be awfully naive too ;-)). From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Mon Jun 19 12:05:31 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:05:31 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Do SB check the Attachment too? In-Reply-To: <1f7befae0606190244p226fd4c3j48696b89556058c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is an convincingly answer :) thanks -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.peters at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 19. Juni 2006 11:45 An: yahoo.de Cc: spambayes at python.org Betreff: Re: [Spambayes] Do SB check the Attachment too? [yahoo.de] > I believe that spambayes has no functionality to search in attachmennts? > I send an attachment with spam content and i see in spam clue, that there is > no Token from the attachhment and the email is classified as ham!!!? While some details depend in part on which version of SB you're using, and on some option settings, in general it's correct that SB has no interest in attachments. Remember that we're looking for spam here, and nothing other than spam. Text buried in an attachment isn't visible unless the user takes explicit action to look at it, so text buried in an attachment is worthless to spammers: they're trying to grab your attention (well, they're really trying to get your money ;-)), and no person with minimal knowledge of reality ever clicks on an attachment they weren't expecting. Instead, adding attachments would just increase the size of their spam, boosting the per-message cost of sending it, with no payback. Authors of viruses and Trojans (etc) have very different aims. They're not trying to sell you anything -- their audience is computer newbies still so naive that they'll open any attachment. While that's a major problem, it's not spam, and SB isn't aiming at that. Such attachments are typically binary (not textual) data anyway. Then there's rare Asian commercial spam that sometimes attaches a very large (like a megabyte) PDF catalog. I expect that's rare precisely because it's so much more expensive to send. It's telling that when I see one of those, I never see the same one again (newbie spammers can be awfully naive too ;-)). ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de From mpas1342 at yahoo.de Mon Jun 19 12:10:59 2006 From: mpas1342 at yahoo.de (yahoo.de) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:10:59 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam image as Background In-Reply-To: <1f7befae0606190244p226fd4c3j48696b89556058c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The other Question is, as i read in the documentation of tokenizer.py, does not the Spambayes care about html tags in a html type emails? So if i send an html type email with an spam image as the background of your email and without any spam text only a tree characters subject the spambayes does not recognized sometoken for the image in background to classified it at least as unsure! Hier is the example where the background attribute in the html tag stand for a background image : Message Stream ..................... tom Briefpapier

 
?? ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de From shealey at swanstone.com Mon Jun 19 16:19:00 2006 From: shealey at swanstone.com (Steven Healey) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:19:00 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Correct procedure for handling bad mail from legitimate list? Message-ID: OK, some mailing lists I subscribe to were apparently hit by a clever spammer over the weekend. The result is that I now have 20-30 mails containing spam, but received from legitimate lists, in my Junk Suspects directory. What is the correct procedure for handling these? I fear that if I select Delete as Spam, the signature of the legitimate list will be added to the database as a trigger. But if I select Recover from Spam, the spam signatures which caused the messages to be flagged will be deleted from the database which I also don't want. Can I just Delete those messages? Thanks. sPh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060619/478e6187/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Mon Jun 19 16:51:28 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:51:28 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Correct procedure for handling bad mail from legitimatelist? Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D048AB@PKCVT01.pkc.com> You can delete the messages without training on them, but I'd treat them like any other spam. SpamBayes trains on all the tokens in the message, not just the sender. It keeps track of how often a given token appears in ham and spam, so if you train on these messages, it will learn that messages from these lists are sometimes spam. If you haven't trained on any messages from these lists (as ham) before, future messages may be seen as spam, but training on a few more messages should correct that. One advantage to this approach is that you'll be training on whatever other spam clues there are in those messages, which should improve scoring of future messages. Another is that you don't have to try to work out what to do with each messages: SpamBayes is pretty clever in its simple-minded way, and second-guessing it seldom seems to work out well. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Steven Healey Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:19 AM To: 'spambayes at python.org' Subject: [Spambayes] Correct procedure for handling bad mail from legitimatelist? OK, some mailing lists I subscribe to were apparently hit by a clever spammer over the weekend. The result is that I now have 20-30 mails containing spam, but received from legitimate lists, in my Junk Suspects directory. What is the correct procedure for handling these? I fear that if I select Delete as Spam, the signature of the legitimate list will be added to the database as a trigger. But if I select Recover from Spam, the spam signatures which caused the messages to be flagged will be deleted from the database which I also don't want. Can I just Delete those messages? Thanks. sPh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060619/271a6294/attachment.html From John.Wait at AWL.com Mon Jun 19 21:20:26 2006 From: John.Wait at AWL.com (Wait, John) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:20:26 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Mythical Man-Month Message-ID: <6BE018DD92486648A8BAD93288B6D6360A8F0D6C@oldtms054.prenhall.com> Hi- As introduction I work at Addison-Wesley, the publisher of Fred's wonderful book. I first read his first edition in 1981 and was very impressed with it. Several times since, when large software projects have arrived late on schedule, people have told us to publish a follow up book documenting the human, not programming challenges involved. Last week at Tech Ed more than a few people told me to find someone on the Vista team to write a book that would be roughly comparable to Fred's wonderful book. Aside from the challenge of having MS allow such a book, what do you think of the idea of such a book? Worthwhile or note? I think Fred's book still has lots of mileage left. But as you change quite a few changes have impacted software development since the days that book was first written. Thanks, John W. Wait www.awprofessional.com 617-848-6501 Mythical Man-Month, The: Essays on Software Engineering, Anniversary Edition, 2/E I finished reading Mythical Man Month (aka MMM) recently and quite honestly I was amazed at how a book that was originally published in 1975 can be so on target with so man aspects of software development. Obviously not everything in the book is so pertinent however his foresight is amazing. The MMM is in a nutshell about debunking the theory that if you add more people to a project then you can speed the project up in a linear manner. The book makes quite a bit of sense. When you add in communication factors, learning curves, and the other items Brooks brings to light in the book you quickly see where he is coming from. Funny thing is the place we are in software development now might also brings an additional factor to the table. Offshoring brings even more of a communication gap. Both time zone gaps and language differences come into play. But I digress. In truth, I think the book has survived this long because Brooks focused more on the human aspect of development than on the actual programming piece. People don't change quite as rapidly as software so it makes sense that the book would still be applicable in today's environment. People are still a limited and valuable resource and it will probably remain that way. (Moore's Law is there for machines but not for people.) For managers, I think the book is must read. For everyone else, the book is easy reading so if you have time I would recommend you read it. The first 17 chapters of the anniversary edition are the most worthwhile. I think the other chapters are really him just defending himself against criticism and not really as important to read (but hell that leaves only 3 chapters and like I said it's easy reading). *********************************************************************** This email may contain confidential material. If you were not an intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies. We may monitor email to and from our network. *********************************************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060620/157dadff/attachment.htm From tim at aterraform.com Wed Jun 21 00:03:06 2006 From: tim at aterraform.com (Tim Stone) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:03:06 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Does SpamBayes work with Hotmail or G-mail? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4498709A.90803@aterraform.com> It does not specifically work with either of those two products, although gmail does have a pop3 interface that spambayes could be used with. Gmail, however, has considerable spam filtering built in, and most users find their filtering to be adequate. Where spambayes differentiates itself is that it allows -you- to define what is and is not spam, rather than the Google engineers and/or a consensus of gmail users. If you find gmail's filter to be adequate for you, then you're good to go. If not, you can use gmail's pop3 interface in conjunction with spambayes to customize your own spam filtering capabilities (at least to some extent :) Hotmail, on the other hand, has no pop3 or imap interface, and so spambayes has no ability to perform any filtering on behalf of Hotmail users. Ernest Scott wrote: > I'm a first-time visitor to the SpamBayes web site, and I'm can't tell > whether it will work with my Hotmail or G-mail account or not. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and > more. It's free! It's free! > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >SpamBayes at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 6/19/2006 > > From neil at twastudios.com Wed Jun 21 01:28:18 2006 From: neil at twastudios.com (Neil) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:28:18 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Passwords in Outlook Express Message-ID: <00cd01c694c1$51c1c450$f8174109@EZWLDN1OA5N> I am using Outlook Express and have to constantly reenter my passwords whenever I start the application even though I set the password in the account settings. How do I set that so I do not have to enter it every time? Spambayes is running great on my system otherwise and I have no complaints (other than this:). Sorry if this is a redundant question. I'm new to the list. I did search the list archive but did not find anything conclusive. Thanks -n -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060620/e391976e/attachment.htm From Jeff at CASSITE.com Fri Jun 23 01:09:49 2006 From: Jeff at CASSITE.com (Jeff Hunter) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:09:49 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Help! The (SPAM) enemy is overrunning my position! Message-ID: Tony, et al.; You were kind enough to help me out once before, and I am hoping you will do so once again. I am having the same problem as before. 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In-Reply-To: <4498709A.90803@aterraform.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:03 PM -0500, spambayes-bounces at python.org wrote: > It does not specifically work with either of those two products, > although gmail does have a pop3 interface that spambayes could be > used with. There are numerous programs that manipulate web mail interfaces, collect the mail and allow your mail client to access it as if it were POP3. I've had very good luck with FreePops, which is licensed under the GPL and you can find at http://www.freepops.org. It's easy to set up, it works nicely and it is actively maintained. You can either install it as a service or to load manually. This program uses a special-purpose scripting language for the particulars of each web interface that has allowed them to develop and maintain POP interfaces for dozens of the most common webmail providers, among them Hotmail. Some of them allow you to access alternate folders, which you normally would need IMAP to accomplish. This is of interest to anyone who uses a webmail service that does not provide a POP interface, not just Hotmail. -- Seth Goodman From claudedjones at gmail.com Sun Jun 25 15:43:23 2006 From: claudedjones at gmail.com (Claude Jones) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:43:23 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] can't start sb_server.py on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <17c5aa220606250643n2543d811xa46da2271403afec@mail.gmail.com> I've been trying for days to figure this one out. I have Spambayes running fine on my office FC5 machine, but on my home machine, I get the following error everytime I try to start sb_server.py: $ python /usr/bin/sb_server.py -b Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 112, in ? from spambayes.Version import get_version_string ImportError: cannot import name get_version_string Does any know what might causing this? -- Claude Jones Bluemont, VA USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have Spambayes running > > fine on my office FC5 machine, but on my home machine, I get the following > > error everytime I try to start sb_server.py: > > $ python /usr/bin/sb_server.py -b > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 112, in ? > from spambayes.Version import get_version_string > ImportError: cannot import name get_version_string > > Does any know what might causing this? > > -- > Claude Jones > Bluemont, VA > USA > -- Claude Jones Bluemont, VA USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060625/f693ed93/attachment.htm From cushman at wild-ox.com Sun Jun 25 20:21:53 2006 From: cushman at wild-ox.com (Mark Cushman) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:21:53 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] not sure if its working Message-ID: <200606251819.k5PIJDKZ025041@host5.yournethost.net> I love SPAMBAYES.. Recently, I have become suspicious if its working. I am getting a lot of "maybes" for things that are clearly spam. Upon checking the "advanced" tab, I noticed the statistics states its processed 881 messages. Since I have been using it for about 2 years and I get about 75+ emails per day, I can only conclude either this number is wrong or Spam Bayes is no longer processing stuff, and I just haven't known. Please help. I recently performed a "Delete As Spam" operation and the statistics number did not change. How do I ensure this is working? I am not subscribed to the list, so please respond directly. Thanks, Mark Cushman Wild-Ox Consulting, Inc. cushman at wild-ox.com 240-417-8819 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With best regards Leif Persson From jsp at PKC.com Tue Jun 27 17:18:14 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:18:14 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] exporting a configuration to new computer Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D048DA@PKCVT01.pkc.com> See http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#can-i-share-move-my-training-data-from-one-computer-to-another. But note that SpamBayes learns so fast that some (myself included) don't think it's worth the effort. I go so far as to discard my database and retrain from scratch periodically. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Leif Persson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:11 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] exporting a configuration to new computer Hello Spambayes I?ve been using spambayes for some time and has got it well trained and functional. Now that I?ve got a new computer I don't want to do the training from scratch once again. How can I export the configuration to the new installation? With best regards Leif Persson From marcus at affiliata.com Tue Jun 27 18:06:16 2006 From: marcus at affiliata.com (Marcus Cent) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:06:16 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2007 Message-ID: <02ae01c69a03$9f5428b0$ddfc7a10$@com> Hi Apologies if this has been asked before, but can anyone tell me if Spambayes works with Outlook 2007? If so, what do I need to do to activate it? thanks Marcus Cent marcus at affiliata.com Affiliata - results driven internet Tel. 07855-404766 ------------------------------ CONFIDENTIAL: This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended only for the person it is addressed to - any other access is unauthorised and you must not copy or use the content. If you have received this in error, please destroy it and contact the sender by e-mail return. 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Last winter I installed a new home computer and didn't bother to set up an initial database, instead letting Spambayes retrain from scratch. I was inundated with spam for a couple of weeks until the system got its mind right. Next time I don't think I'll be so lazy. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:18 AM > To: Leif Persson; spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] exporting a configuration to new computer > > > See > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#can-i-share-move-my- > training-data-from-one-computer-to-another. But note that > SpamBayes learns so fast that some (myself included) don't > think it's worth the effort. I go so far as to discard my > database and retrain from scratch periodically. > > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf > Of Leif Persson > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:11 AM > To: spambayes at python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] exporting a configuration to new computer > > Hello Spambayes > > I?ve been using spambayes for some time and has got it well > trained and functional. Now that I?ve got a new computer I > don't want to do the training from scratch once again. How > can I export the configuration to the new installation? > > With best regards > > Leif Persson > _______________________________________________ > SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > From ASadowski at hitachitool-eu.com Thu Jun 29 10:48:34 2006 From: ASadowski at hitachitool-eu.com (Albert Sadowski) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:48:34 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] Abwesenheitsnotiz: Mail Delivery (failure asadowski@hitachitool-eu.com) Message-ID: Dear sender, I will be out of the office till 17.07.2006. In any important cases, you can contact the head quarter and leave a message. Best regards Albert Sadowski General Manager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If it's greater than, say, 60%, I'd classify it as spam in the hope of kicking similar messages over the edge in the future. But if the assigned spam probability is low, I'd just delete it, to avoid the possibility of sending Spambayes an incorrect signal about messages from that list. Bob -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:51 AM To: Steven Healey; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Correct procedure for handling bad mail fromlegitimatelist? You can delete the messages without training on them, but I'd treat them like any other spam. SpamBayes trains on all the tokens in the message, not just the sender. It keeps track of how often a given token appears in ham and spam, so if you train on these messages, it will learn that messages from these lists are sometimes spam. If you haven't trained on any messages from these lists (as ham) before, future messages may be seen as spam, but training on a few more messages should correct that. One advantage to this approach is that you'll be training on whatever other spam clues there are in those messages, which should improve scoring of future messages. Another is that you don't have to try to work out what to do with each messages: SpamBayes is pretty clever in its simple-minded way, and second-guessing it seldom seems to work out well. _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Steven Healey Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:19 AM To: 'spambayes at python.org' Subject: [Spambayes] Correct procedure for handling bad mail from legitimatelist? OK, some mailing lists I subscribe to were apparently hit by a clever spammer over the weekend. The result is that I now have 20-30 mails containing spam, but received from legitimate lists, in my Junk Suspects directory. What is the correct procedure for handling these? I fear that if I select Delete as Spam, the signature of the legitimate list will be added to the database as a trigger. But if I select Recover from Spam, the spam signatures which caused the messages to be flagged will be deleted from the database which I also don't want. Can I just Delete those messages? Thanks. sPh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20060629/b0ff6970/attachment.htm From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com Thu Jun 29 21:06:49 2006 From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:06:49 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Passwords in Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <00cd01c694c1$51c1c450$f8174109@EZWLDN1OA5N> Message-ID: On Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:28 PM -0500, Neil wrote: > I am using Outlook Express and have to constantly reenter my > passwords whenever I start the application even though I set the > password in the account settings. > > How do I set that so I do not have to enter it every time? > > Spambayes is running great on my system otherwise and I have no > complaints (other than this:). This is an Outlook Express problem, not anything to do with Spambayes :( I don't use OE, but firing it up and checking, here's how to make it remember your passwords. Under Tools, Accounts, select an email account and hit the Properties button. Go to the Servers tab. In the "Incoming Mail Server" section, enter your password and check the box "Remember Password". Hit OK to save this configuration. Do this for each one of your email accounts. -- Seth Goodman From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu Jun 29 23:27:46 2006 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:27:46 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] Program Will Not Load Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5006FD261E@SPIKE.city> You're right, of course, but nobody in his right mind puts those nonsensical disclaimers on unless the company's lawyers tell him he has to. So there's no point in berating the sender; his embarrassment at having to send something so patently silly probably exceeds your annoyance at having to receive it. Bob -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:44 AM To: Stephen Polak; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Program Will Not Load A word to the wise: no message footer can prevent "dissemination, distribution, copying, or disclosure" when you post to a public list like this one. In fact, such footers are probably toothless in any situation and serve only to annoy. It's your responsibility how and to whom you transmit information, and recipients tend to dislike attempts to shift your responsibility to them. If New York Life appends this notice to all your messages, you might tell them how it's being received. In your line of work, confidentiality is important, and I would advise using secure means when transmitting anything sensitive. Messages sent over the internet pass through a lot of network infrastructure and could be intercepted at many points along the way, even if you send them to exactly and only the correct recipient(s). It's up to you to protect them. Weak but simple security is available by password-protecting zip files; public-key cryptography provides more security, but is harder to set up. If you wanted my business, you'd have to do the latter. Now that's off my chest: your message had a couple of log files (one empty) attached, but I didn't see any unregistered message. Did you intend to attach a screen shot? What's the full text of the message? Are you running Outlook or Outlook Express? _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Polak Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:01 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Program Will Not Load Dear Programmer: When I start Outlook the program generates the attached message "unregistered" how do I register it? Sincerely, Stephen Polak, MS, CPA/PFS Stephen Polak, CPA - PLC 130 Red Clover Way Milton, VT 05468 Office: (802) 893-6624 Fax: (802) 891-1214 Cell: (802) 338-7009 E-mail: polakcpa at adelphia.net Vermont CPA License Number - 001-0000920 Accounting Firm Number - 092-0000601 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How do I correct this? > Regards > Douglas > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >SpamBayes at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006 > > From gmerritts at msn.com Fri Jun 30 01:27:22 2006 From: gmerritts at msn.com (Glenn Merritts) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:27:22 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Question Message-ID: I will be getting a new laptop shortly. Will I be able to move the current level of checking to the new system or will I have to start training the system again? Thanks for the help Glenn Merritts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's correct, it does not care about HTML tags because they probably don't correlate well with either ham or spam. If you suspect that some HTML constructs correlate with spam, you can alter the classifier code to test this. > So if i send an html type email with an spam image as the > background of your email and without any spam text only a > tree characters subject the spambayes does not recognized > sometoken for the image in background to classified it at > least as unsure! Since Spambayes can only interpret text, it can't do anything with an image. Visible text can include the subject line, some address fields, the message-ID and even the MUA used to generate the message. If the subject line has too few characters, it will not generate a token. However, the other header fields will generate at least a few, even with no text below the subject line. Depending on the scores for the few tokens it does generate, it can still score a message as ham, spam or unsure. -- Seth Goodman From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jun 30 02:58:08 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:58:08 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DFB950F-D43F-48C8-9D54-C17674E549A5@ihug.co.nz> > I will be getting a new laptop shortly. Will I be able to move the > current level of checking to the new system or will I have to start > training the system again? Please see FAQ 3.6: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jun 30 02:58:43 2006 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:58:43 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <000601c69bd7$dc46a8d0$6501a8c0@LAPTOP> References: <000601c69bd7$dc46a8d0$6501a8c0@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <7972021D-16D6-478D-A04F-0C6F4337BB65@ihug.co.nz> > Can I monitor Outlook Express with this product? Please see FAQ 2.1: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tony.meyer at gmail.com Fri Jun 30 03:31:13 2006 From: tony.meyer at gmail.com (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:31:13 +1200 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] tte.py not working with zodb - no spam/ham counts In-Reply-To: <41FF96EF-BE8F-4F8F-9587-D9CA84CAF33D@ihug.co.nz> References: <17572.11980.968769.19787@montanaro.dyndns.org> <41FF96EF-BE8F-4F8F-9587-D9CA84CAF33D@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <6c63de570606291831y66a34086h22f0f68302b913b4@mail.gmail.com> > I'm trying to finish switching from bsddb to zodb. [...] > Seems to work fine (it spits out all the usual chattiness about number of > messages trained and missed), but when I run sb_dbexpimp.py on the > result it shows 0 ham and 0 spam and generates a csv file with just > > 0,0 As far as I can see contrib/tte.py just uses the standard classifier interface ("learn", "unlearn", "spamprob"), right? That should work fine with ZODB - it should automatically persist all attributes, including "nham" and "nspam". It appears to work for me (although I'm really not familiar with tte.py). Are you telling sb_dbexpimp.py it's a ZODB? Marshall:~/spambayes tameyer$ env PYTHONPATH=. python contrib/tte.py -g ham.mbox -s spam.mbox -R -o Storage:persistent_use_database:zodb -o Storage:persistent _storage_file:./hammie.fs -c .cull -v No handlers could be found for logger "ZODB.FileStorage" *** round 1 *** 2miss ham: 0.500000 <1060756493-6904164 at quibble.com> miss spam: 0.000000 <1060756493-6904164 at quibble.com> round: 1, msgs: 2, ham misses: 1, spam misses: 1, 0.5s [snip round 2 to round 9] *** round 10 *** 2miss ham: 0.500000 <1060756493-6904164 at quibble.com> miss spam: 0.500000 <1060756493-6904164 at quibble.com> round: 10, msgs: 2, ham misses: 1, spam misses: 1, 0.4s writing new ham mbox... 1 of 1 writing new spam mbox... 1 of 1 Marshall:~/spambayes tameyer$ env PYTHONPATH=. python scripts/sb_dbexpimp.py -e -f test.csv -o Storage:persistent_storage_file:./hammie.fs -o Storage:persistent_use_database:zodb No handlers could be found for logger "ZODB.FileStorage" Exporting database /Users/tameyer/spambayes/./hammie.fs to file test.csv Database has 10 ham, 10 spam, and 1903 words =Tony.Meyer From skip at pobox.com Fri Jun 30 04:35:01 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:35:01 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] tte.py not working with zodb - no spam/ham counts In-Reply-To: <6c63de570606291831y66a34086h22f0f68302b913b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <17572.11980.968769.19787@montanaro.dyndns.org> <41FF96EF-BE8F-4F8F-9587-D9CA84CAF33D@ihug.co.nz> <6c63de570606291831y66a34086h22f0f68302b913b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17572.36309.768408.474323@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> Seems to work fine (it spits out all the usual chattiness about >> number of messages trained and missed), but when I run sb_dbexpimp.py >> on the result it shows 0 ham and 0 spam and generates a csv file with >> just Tony> As far as I can see contrib/tte.py just uses the standard Tony> classifier interface ("learn", "unlearn", "spamprob"), right? Yes. I don't do anything fancy in that regard. Do I need to do some sort of explicit commit (or a close operation that does the commit for me)? Tony> Are you telling sb_dbexpimp.py it's a ZODB? Yes. I call it like so: sb_dbexpimp.py -o Storage:persistent_use_database:zodb \ -o Storage:persistent_storage_file:$HOME/hammie.db \ -e -f ~/tmp/hammie.csv The spamcounts script also fails to find anything in the file: % spamcounts -o Storage:persistent_use_database:zodb -o Storage:persistent_storage_file:hammie.db -r url token,nspam,nham,spam prob I'm perplexed. Is there some way to treat a zodb file more-or-less like an anydbm file (that is, a dict in a file)? That way I could simply poke around in the file to see what it *does* contain. Skip From skip at pobox.com Fri Jun 30 05:03:23 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:03:23 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] tte.py not working with zodb - no spam/ham counts In-Reply-To: <17572.36309.768408.474323@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <17572.11980.968769.19787@montanaro.dyndns.org> <41FF96EF-BE8F-4F8F-9587-D9CA84CAF33D@ihug.co.nz> <6c63de570606291831y66a34086h22f0f68302b913b4@mail.gmail.com> <17572.36309.768408.474323@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <17572.38011.496506.861320@montanaro.dyndns.org> Tony> As far as I can see contrib/tte.py just uses the standard Tony> classifier interface ("learn", "unlearn", "spamprob"), right? skip> Yes. I don't do anything fancy in that regard. Do I need to do skip> some sort of explicit commit (or a close operation that does the skip> commit for me)? Looking at the dir() of a store object, I saw ['ClassifierClass', 'DB', '__class__', '__delattr__', '__dict__', '__doc__', '__getattr__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__module__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__', '__str__', '__weakref__', 'classifier', 'close', 'closed', 'conn', 'create_storage', 'db_filename', 'db_name', 'load', 'mode', 'storage', 'store'] which suggested tte.py should be calling store.close() in addition to or instead of store.store(). I tried adding a store.close() call after the store.store() call, but it didn't make any difference. I can manually add hams to the store: >>> from spambayes import storage >>> dbname, usedb = storage.database_type([]) >>> store = storage.open_storage(dbname, usedb) >>> store.classifier >>> store.classifier.nham 0 >>> store.load() >>> store.classifier.nham 0 >>> store.learn(["hello"], False) >>> store.classifier.nham 1 >>> ^D % spamcounts -o Storage:persistent_use_database:zodb -o Storage:persistent_storage_file:hammie.db -r hello token,nspam,nham,spam prob hello,0,1,0.155172413793 Any suggestions for things to try? Skip From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Fri Jun 30 16:36:51 2006 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:36:51 -0400 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5006FD264E@SPIKE.city> There's a whiff of cluelessness in the phrasing of the question that leads me to wonder if the user is trying to use the Outlook plugin with OE (in which case "doing nothing" would be the expected result). User, I apologize in advance if that's not what you're trying to do. ;^) Bob -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:50 AM To: SBC; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] spambayes I can't say for sure whether it works with your version of Windows, but I'd be surprised if it didn't. Have you read http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlo ok-express and followed the directions it points to? _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of SBC Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:58 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes I installed spambayes using Outlook Express and it does nothing. Is it compatible with Windows XP Mediacenter? Daryl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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