From Abid.Malik at gov.ab.ca Fri Dec 1 17:38:38 2006 From: Abid.Malik at gov.ab.ca (Abid Malik) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:38:38 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam suspect Folder Message-ID: I have deleted the Spam suspect folder by mistake, please tell me how I can retrieve that folder without reinstalling the program? Abid Malik (403) 388-3100 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061201/a5607bb4/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 1 18:35:12 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:35:12 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes has stopped working In-Reply-To: <1148240990.20061128184428@ptoye.com> References: <1148240990.20061128184428@ptoye.com> Message-ID: <17776.26576.761812.236120@montanaro.dyndns.org> Peter> The error message I get is: Peter> !28/11/2006, 18:07:24: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: Peter> -ERR Can't connect to mail.interdns.co.uk:110: 10061 Seems like a transient problem. I can connect to port 110 (the POP3 port) on that machine just fine. If you still can't connect, check to make sure there's no firewall between you and mail.interdns.co.uk preventing access. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/ "The hippies and the hipsters did some great stuff in the sixties, but the geeks pulled their weight too." -- Billy Bragg From sbwlaw at tampabay.rr.com Fri Dec 1 18:50:10 2006 From: sbwlaw at tampabay.rr.com (Stephens B. Woodrough) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:50:10 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem Message-ID: <042401c71571$2738cc70$6301a8c0@office> Dear Sirs: I have recently experienced a very large increase in "returned" emails as "undeliverable." I now receive over 500 each day. The SpamBayes filter, of course, places them in the Spam folder and they are later deleted permanently. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that since virtually all of this returned email is coming from servers that were used to forward spam which SpamBayes filtered, the filter program must be sending a message back, asking to be "unsubscribed" - and that the result is an ever-increasing cycle of repeated "returned" emails from those servers. Stated differently, are these new returned emails being sent to me caused by "reply" emails being sent by SpamBayes, asking that my address be "unsubscribed, which are then returned back to me as "undeliverable?" If so, is there any way to disable the SpamBayes feature that sends a reply email asking that I be unsubscribed? This is becoming a very BIG problem for my office, and I would be very appreciative of any help. Sincerely, Stephens B. Woodrough THE BANKING LAW FIRM 100 Beach Drive Suite 1801-03 St. Petersburg, Florida 33701 http://www.fedbanklaw.com Tel. (727) 898-9009 Fax. (727) 898-9006 NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at (727) 898-9009and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061201/520dc48a/attachment.html From jsp at PKC.com Fri Dec 1 20:04:56 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem In-Reply-To: <042401c71571$2738cc70$6301a8c0@office> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04BC6@PKCVT01.pkc.com> SpamBayes does not send any messages. Even if it did, it wouldn't automatically send unsubscribe messages; the developers are very conservative, as evidenced by their consistent stance against automatically deleting messages. I would guess that it's more likely that some spammer is sending messages that purport to come from you (hence they bounce back to you if they can't be delivered), or that your machine has become a spambot and is actually sending the returned messages. Others on the list may have more insightful and/or creative thoughts. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Stephens B. Woodrough Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:50 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem Dear Sirs: I have recently experienced a very large increase in "returned" emails as "undeliverable." I now receive over 500 each day. The SpamBayes filter, of course, places them in the Spam folder and they are later deleted permanently. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that since virtually all of this returned email is coming from servers that were used to forward spam which SpamBayes filtered, the filter program must be sending a message back, asking to be "unsubscribed" - and that the result is an ever-increasing cycle of repeated "returned" emails from those servers. Stated differently, are these new returned emails being sent to me caused by "reply" emails being sent by SpamBayes, asking that my address be "unsubscribed, which are then returned back to me as "undeliverable?" If so, is there any way to disable the SpamBayes feature that sends a reply email asking that I be unsubscribed? This is becoming a very BIG problem for my office, and I would be very appreciative of any help. Sincerely, Stephens B. Woodrough THE BANKING LAW FIRM 100 Beach Drive Suite 1801-03 St. Petersburg, Florida 33701 http://www.fedbanklaw.com Tel. (727) 898-9009 Fax. (727) 898-9006 NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at (727) 898-9009and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061201/9d97a2fb/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Fri Dec 1 21:14:15 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:14:15 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem In-Reply-To: <00c101c71580$7f833190$6301a8c0@office> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04BC9@PKCVT01.pkc.com> A couple of things come to mind. I'd run at least one malware detection tool on my machine to make sure it wasn't running anything I didn't want (and then try to get the same thing done on other company machines). I'd ask the administrator of my e-mail server if there's a way to capture the messages sent by machines under my company's control (in the hopes of determining whether my machine or someone else's in the network originated messages that result in bounces, and if so, what their origin was). While there, I'd ask him/her if setting up SPF would help contain the problem. And, of course, I'd ask the SpamBayes list for ideas. ;-) P.S. When you respond to messages on the list, please "Reply to all" to make sure everyone on the list sees your message. ________________________________ From: Stephens B. Woodrough [mailto:sbwlaw at tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:40 PM To: Jesse Pelton Subject: RE: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Assuming your assessment is correct, what action(s) would you take if you were in my position? Again, thank you for your time and attention. Sincerely, Stephens B. Woodrough THE BANKING LAW FIRM 100 Beach Drive Suite 1801-03 St. Petersburg, Florida 33701 http://www.fedbanklaw.com Tel. (727) 898-9009 Fax. (727) 898-9006 NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at (727) 898-9009and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:05 PM To: Stephens B. Woodrough; spambayes at python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem SpamBayes does not send any messages. Even if it did, it wouldn't automatically send unsubscribe messages; the developers are very conservative, as evidenced by their consistent stance against automatically deleting messages. I would guess that it's more likely that some spammer is sending messages that purport to come from you (hence they bounce back to you if they can't be delivered), or that your machine has become a spambot and is actually sending the returned messages. Others on the list may have more insightful and/or creative thoughts. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Stephens B. Woodrough Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:50 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem Dear Sirs: I have recently experienced a very large increase in "returned" emails as "undeliverable." I now receive over 500 each day. The SpamBayes filter, of course, places them in the Spam folder and they are later deleted permanently. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that since virtually all of this returned email is coming from servers that were used to forward spam which SpamBayes filtered, the filter program must be sending a message back, asking to be "unsubscribed" - and that the result is an ever-increasing cycle of repeated "returned" emails from those servers. Stated differently, are these new returned emails being sent to me caused by "reply" emails being sent by SpamBayes, asking that my address be "unsubscribed, which are then returned back to me as "undeliverable?" If so, is there any way to disable the SpamBayes feature that sends a reply email asking that I be unsubscribed? This is becoming a very BIG problem for my office, and I would be very appreciative of any help. Sincerely, Stephens B. Woodrough THE BANKING LAW FIRM 100 Beach Drive Suite 1801-03 St. Petersburg, Florida 33701 http://www.fedbanklaw.com Tel. (727) 898-9009 Fax. (727) 898-9006 NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at (727) 898-9009and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061201/fa2528c0/attachment.html From dmoya at sailstx.org Fri Dec 1 20:44:54 2006 From: dmoya at sailstx.org (Dan Moya) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:44:54 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: in jpeg Message-ID: <002501c71581$2d0698c0$1d00a8c0@SAILS.local> I need help troubleshooting why this email ended up in my junk mail. I have to click recover every time this user sends me an email from her office (next door), thanks. Combined Score: 0% (5.55112e-017) Internal ham score (*H*): 1 Internal spam score (*S*): 1.11022e-016 # ham trained on: 107 # spam trained on: 0 54 Significant Tokens token spamprob #ham #spam 'content-type:text/plain' 0.002094 107 0 'header:Date:1' 0.002094 107 0 'header:From:1' 0.002094 107 0 'header:Subject:1' 0.002094 107 0 'header:To:1' 0.002094 107 0 'to:addr:sailstx.org' 0.00213371 105 0 'to:addr:dmoya' 0.00219619 102 0 'sender:none' 0.00223992 100 0 'to:2**0' 0.00223992 100 0 'subject: ' 0.00226244 99 0 'header:Message-ID:1' 0.00228542 98 0 'reply-to:none' 0.00230888 97 0 'header:MIME-Version:1' 0.0024077 93 0 'cc:none' 0.00246036 91 0 'proto:http' 0.00260266 86 0 'please' 0.00302216 74 0 'url:www' 0.00310559 72 0 'header:Return-Path:1' 0.00366151 61 0 'header:Received:2' 0.00437318 51 0 'dan' 0.00506187 44 0 'to:' 0.00506187 44 0 'need' 0.00517837 43 0 'from:' 0.00530035 42 0 'url:org' 0.00556242 40 0 '2006' 0.00570342 39 0 'subject:' 0.00570342 39 0 'sent:' 0.00585176 38 0 'moya' 0.00672646 33 0 'from:addr:sailstx.org' 0.00693374 32 0 'url:rec-html40' 0.00715421 31 0 'url:tr' 0.00715421 31 0 'url:w3' 0.00715421 31 0 "to:name:'dan moya'" 0.00764007 29 0 'x-mailer:microsoft office outlook 11' 0.00764007 29 0 'email addr:sailstx.org]' 0.00884086 25 0 'header:In-Reply-To:1' 0.0110024 20 0 'email name:[mailto:dmoya' 0.0121951 18 0 '_____' 0.012894 17 0 'complete' 0.012894 17 0 'message-id:@SAILS.local' 0.0155709 14 0 'december' 0.0238095 9 0 "'marisa" 0.0266272 8 0 'friday,' 0.0266272 8 0 "ortiz'" 0.0266272 8 0 'from:addr:mortiz' 0.0348837 6 0 'from:name:marisa ortiz' 0.0348837 6 0 '01,' 0.0505618 4 0 'thanks.' 0.0505618 4 0 'convert' 0.0652174 3 0 'today' 0.0652174 3 0 '10:50' 0.155172 1 0 'pdf,' 0.155172 1 0 "pdfs'" 0.155172 1 0 'website,' 0.155172 1 0 Message Stream Return-Path: Received: from agamemnon.xo.com (agamemnon.xo.com [207.155.252.38]) by isis.xo.com (ConcentricHost(3.4) MX) with ESMTP id D5D08735F for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from project (ip67-154-44-19.z44-154-67.customer.algx.net [67.154.44.19]) by agamemnon.xo.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay) with ESMTP id 0F4712C1F9 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:35:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Marisa Ortiz" To: "'Dan Moya'" Subject: in jpeg Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:28:28 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c7157e$e16ce060$0700a8c0 at SAILS.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C7154C.96D27060" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccVaL1bSB5YwqKYTqq5yc8ovmIhagAFhoAg In-Reply-To: <000f01c71568$bf133e80$1d00a8c0 at SAILS.local> X-AllowList: Yes X-MFData: [v2.3 t3,707591] X-UIDL: 766 _____ From: Dan Moya [mailto:dmoya at sailstx.org] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:50 AM To: 'Marisa Ortiz' Subject: PDFs' Please convert to PDF, I need today to complete website, thanks.

 

 

From: Dan Moya [mailto:dmoya at sailstx.org]
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To: 'Marisa Ortiz'
Subject: PDFs'

 

Please convert to PDF, I need today to complete website, thanks.

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What should I do? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061201/d04b5ee7/attachment.htm From zuluaga at odos.wisc.edu Fri Dec 1 23:51:33 2006 From: zuluaga at odos.wisc.edu (Aldemar Zuluaga) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:51:33 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <000001c71594$5db9cfb0$6801a8c0@thetsar11> Message-ID: <0J9M002EDA5YHX10@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu> Unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061201/da6c73de/attachment.html From briggs at austin.rr.com Sat Dec 2 00:03:07 2006 From: briggs at austin.rr.com (Billy Riggs) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:03:07 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] FREE LOVE SONGS Message-ID: <04e101c7159c$ddbcae00$6601a8c0@me3d8ec103c46c> Hi! I'm looking for the owner of the www.divorcesongs.com domain name so I can offer to purchase it. It's someone who goes by "Pudge Jan," but all emails from the site were returned. Your name was linked to it via www.freelovesongs.com. Any idea who Pudge Jan is and what her current email address (or phone number) is? Billy Riggs 512-301-6905 (Texas) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 70428 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061201/ecb37f6c/attachment.htm From sethg at goodmanassociates.com Sat Dec 2 02:44:39 2006 From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:44:39 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: in jpeg In-Reply-To: <002501c71581$2d0698c0$1d00a8c0@SAILS.local> Message-ID: Dan Moya wrote on Friday, December 01, 2006 1:45 PM -0600: > I need help troubleshooting why this email ended up in my junk mail. > I have to click recover every time this user sends me an email from > her office (next door), thanks. > > Combined Score: 0% (5.55112e-017) > Internal ham score (*H*): 1 > Internal spam score (*S*): 1.11022e-016 > > # ham trained on: 107 > # spam trained on: 0 This shows that you have trained on 107 good mail (ham) and zero spam. The classifier needs to see examples of both types of message in order to differentiate between them. As a start, try training on a similar number of ham and spam. Let us know how it works out. -- Seth Goodman From djardine at iinet.net.au Sat Dec 2 03:35:01 2006 From: djardine at iinet.net.au (David and Maureen Jardine) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 10:35:01 +0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Can I configure Spambayes to accept all mail from trusted addresses? Message-ID: <001e01c715ba$780dd020$0300000a@nonem0bth2h4xi> Spambayes keeps putting mail from friends and even my own work email address into the Junk Suspects folder. Is there any way that I can configure Spambayes to accept all mail from particular email addresses? Thank you, Maureen Jardine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061202/5ff1a0a2/attachment.html From amedee at amedee.be Sat Dec 2 08:09:38 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 08:09:38 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <0J9M002EDA5YHX10@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu> References: <0J9M002EDA5YHX10@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <1165043378.9700.5.camel@localhost> Op vrijdag 01-12-2006 om 16:51 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Aldemar Zuluaga: > > Unsubscribe You should send unsubscribes to spambayes-request at python.org, *not* to spambayes at python.org . For more information, see the link at the bottom of this email. -- Amedee Van Gasse From amedee at amedee.be Sat Dec 2 08:12:07 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 08:12:07 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Can I configure Spambayes to accept all mail from trusted addresses? In-Reply-To: <001e01c715ba$780dd020$0300000a@nonem0bth2h4xi> References: <001e01c715ba$780dd020$0300000a@nonem0bth2h4xi> Message-ID: <1165043527.9700.9.camel@localhost> Op zaterdag 02-12-2006 om 10:35 uur [tijdzone +0800], schreef David and Maureen Jardine: > Spambayes keeps putting mail from friends and even my own work email > address into the Junk Suspects folder. Is there any way that I can > configure Spambayes to accept all mail from particular email > addresses? Yes, you can train them as ham. See also the thread that started on 21/11 about the same topic. -- Amedee From darbea at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 3 00:36:13 2006 From: darbea at sbcglobal.net (Darrell Gilliland) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 15:36:13 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Reconfiguration Message-ID: <000301c7166a$a8123b20$905ffea9@ownerprc0pvxh1> It keeps telling me that I need to reconfigure spambayes or it will shut down. I have no idea what it is telling me to do or where to go to reconfigure. Could you please help. Darrell Gilliland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061202/ba8eae5d/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Sun Dec 3 06:55:14 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 23:55:14 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] List confusion In-Reply-To: <454D1937.6C2D9D25@RBarger.com> References: <454D1937.6C2D9D25@RBarger.com> Message-ID: <17778.26306.844422.155362@montanaro.dyndns.org> Sorry for the very late reply. I recently started using Gmail. It classified your mail as spam. (Go figure...) I just dug it out of 3000+ spams which had piled up. Rich> I've found several of the recent exchanges interesting, but Rich> technically way over my head. Rich> Should some of this discussion be moved to the developer's list, Rich> rather than being on the general information list, or am I the Rich> only one who is mostly befuddled? Sure, the discussion can get too technical for this list at times. The recent discussions about image-based spam, ocrad, etc should have moved to the spambayes developer list but didn't. I've solicited test help from this group and discussion of the problems with the current image-based filtering have gone on here. I'll try to move such stuff to spambayes-dev sooner. Also, you're welcome to hit the 'd' key. As a subscriber you're under no obligation to read and understand (or even to care about) all discussions. Skip From jattrill at intercoast.com.au Sun Dec 3 07:17:52 2006 From: jattrill at intercoast.com.au (Wendy & Jim Attrill) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:17:52 +1100 Subject: [Spambayes] Fw: Unsuccessful Outlook Express installation. Message-ID: <000c01c716a2$c377f480$0501a8c0@DGCNK71S> Looks like I copied the address wrong first time around. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy & Jim Attrill To: 'spambayes at python.org' Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 12:07 PM Subject: Unsuccessful Outlook Express installation. Good morning, I have downloaded and installed version 1.0.4 on my Dell Dimension 4550 with Windows XP SP2 but have experienced some difficulty in getting it to run. After a couple of reinstalls it seemed to work OK yesterday but this morning I get the following message: The connection to the server has failed. Account: 'mail.intercoast.com.au', Server: 'localhost', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E I have tried reinstalling again without success. I have been following the quick setup instruction sheet FAQ 4.21. Any ideas? Thanks Jim Attrill. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061203/a86900ee/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Mon Dec 4 14:37:35 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 08:37:35 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem In-Reply-To: <003201c7158f$96062440$6301a8c0@office> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04BCD@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Ad-Aware SE, SpyBot S & D, Spyware Doctor, Windows Defender, and Windows Live OneCare all qualify as malware detectors. I can't vouch for their effectiveness, but I'm not sure how you could be more diligent defending against spambots. (Though TrojanHunter claims to be the only scanner capable of cleaning certain type of Trojan horse programs.) ________________________________ From: Stephens B. Woodrough [mailto:sbwlaw at tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:28 PM To: Jesse Pelton Subject: RE: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem Thank you, again, for your help. I have been using the following software programs on a fairly regular basis: Adware SE, SpyBot, Spyware Doctor, Registry Mechanic, Defender and Windows Live One Care. I also run XP Pro (SP2) Firewall - although I also use a router which (I'm told) makes a firewall unnecessary. My problem now is that I'm not sure what you mean by "malware detection tool." Do you have a particular program in mind, or can you recommend such a program? Thanks. Stephens B. Woodrough THE BANKING LAW FIRM 100 Beach Drive Suite 1801-03 St. Petersburg, Florida 33701 http://www.fedbanklaw.com Tel. (727) 898-9009 Fax. (727) 898-9006 NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at (727) 898-9009and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:14 PM To: Stephens B. Woodrough; spambayes at python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem A couple of things come to mind. I'd run at least one malware detection tool on my machine to make sure it wasn't running anything I didn't want (and then try to get the same thing done on other company machines). I'd ask the administrator of my e-mail server if there's a way to capture the messages sent by machines under my company's control (in the hopes of determining whether my machine or someone else's in the network originated messages that result in bounces, and if so, what their origin was). While there, I'd ask him/her if setting up SPF would help contain the problem. And, of course, I'd ask the SpamBayes list for ideas. ;-) P.S. When you respond to messages on the list, please "Reply to all" to make sure everyone on the list sees your message. ________________________________ From: Stephens B. Woodrough [mailto:sbwlaw at tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:40 PM To: Jesse Pelton Subject: RE: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Assuming your assessment is correct, what action(s) would you take if you were in my position? Again, thank you for your time and attention. Sincerely, Stephens B. Woodrough THE BANKING LAW FIRM 100 Beach Drive Suite 1801-03 St. Petersburg, Florida 33701 http://www.fedbanklaw.com Tel. (727) 898-9009 Fax. (727) 898-9006 NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at (727) 898-9009and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com] Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:05 PM To: Stephens B. Woodrough; spambayes at python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem SpamBayes does not send any messages. Even if it did, it wouldn't automatically send unsubscribe messages; the developers are very conservative, as evidenced by their consistent stance against automatically deleting messages. I would guess that it's more likely that some spammer is sending messages that purport to come from you (hence they bounce back to you if they can't be delivered), or that your machine has become a spambot and is actually sending the returned messages. Others on the list may have more insightful and/or creative thoughts. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Stephens B. Woodrough Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:50 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem Dear Sirs: I have recently experienced a very large increase in "returned" emails as "undeliverable." I now receive over 500 each day. The SpamBayes filter, of course, places them in the Spam folder and they are later deleted permanently. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that since virtually all of this returned email is coming from servers that were used to forward spam which SpamBayes filtered, the filter program must be sending a message back, asking to be "unsubscribed" - and that the result is an ever-increasing cycle of repeated "returned" emails from those servers. Stated differently, are these new returned emails being sent to me caused by "reply" emails being sent by SpamBayes, asking that my address be "unsubscribed, which are then returned back to me as "undeliverable?" If so, is there any way to disable the SpamBayes feature that sends a reply email asking that I be unsubscribed? This is becoming a very BIG problem for my office, and I would be very appreciative of any help. Sincerely, Stephens B. Woodrough THE BANKING LAW FIRM 100 Beach Drive Suite 1801-03 St. Petersburg, Florida 33701 http://www.fedbanklaw.com Tel. (727) 898-9009 Fax. (727) 898-9006 NOTICE: This e-mail message and any attachment to this e-mail message contains confidential information that may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not review, retransmit, convert to hard copy, copy, use or disseminate this e-mail or any attachments to it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by telephone at (727) 898-9009and delete this message. Please note that if this e-mail message contains a forwarded message or is a reply to a prior message, some or all of the contents of this message or any attachments may not have been produced by the sender. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061204/5878e24f/attachment.htm From amedee at amedee.be Mon Dec 4 17:42:06 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 17:42:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04BCD@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <003201c7158f$96062440$6301a8c0@office> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04BCD@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <54920.82.146.101.169.1165250526.squirrel@amedee.be> > I have been using the following software programs on a fairly regular > basis: Adware SE, SpyBot, Spyware Doctor, Registry Mechanic, Defender > and Windows Live One Care. All of them doe malware detection. Use all of them. > I also run XP Pro (SP2) Firewall - although > I also use a router which (I'm told) makes a firewall unnecessary. You were told wrong. Using a router is no excuse for not using a good firewall. > P.S. When you respond to messages on the list, please "Reply to all" to > make sure everyone on the list sees your message. encore :) -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From oren at i-com-it.com Mon Dec 4 17:51:47 2006 From: oren at i-com-it.com (Oren Shimoni) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 18:51:47 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] don't send my email please Message-ID: Oren shimony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061204/891ee78f/attachment.html From oren at i-com-it.com Mon Dec 4 18:16:57 2006 From: oren at i-com-it.com (Oren Shimoni) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 19:16:57 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] I don't wont to send me email again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All I don't won't to send spambayes to me email.... I don't wont Best Regards, Oren Shimony Operations Manager I-Com Communications Ltd. Cellular: 00-972-52-6703304 E-mail: Oren at i-com-it.com www.i-com-it.com ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Oren Shimoni Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 6:52 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] don't send my email please Oren shimony -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/566 - Release Date: 03/12/2006 16:36 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061204/fc4a055a/attachment.htm From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Mon Dec 4 18:25:30 2006 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 12:25:30 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500814F068@SPIKE.city> > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:42 AM > To: Stephens B. Woodrough > Cc: spambayes at python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem > > > I have been using the following software programs on a fairly regular > > basis: Adware SE, SpyBot, Spyware Doctor, Registry Mechanic, Defender > > and Windows Live One Care. > > All of them do malware detection. Use all of them. > > > I also run XP Pro (SP2) Firewall - although I also use a router which > > (I'm told) makes a firewall unnecessary. > > You were told wrong. Maybe and maybe not. Nowadays many routers have built-in firewalls, some of which are quite effective. (Assuming, of course, that the router's firewall functionality is turned on and correctly configured.) > Using a router is no excuse for not using a good firewall. Right, unless that router *is* a good firewall. Bob From amedee at amedee.be Mon Dec 4 19:52:51 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:52:51 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] An Ever-Increasing Problem In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500814F068@SPIKE.city> References: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500814F068@SPIKE.city> Message-ID: <1165258371.21916.9.camel@localhost> Op maandag 04-12-2006 om 12:25 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Coe, Bob: > > > I also run XP Pro (SP2) Firewall - although I also use a router > which > > > (I'm told) makes a firewall unnecessary. > > > > You were told wrong. > > Maybe and maybe not. Nowadays many routers have built-in firewalls, some > of which are quite effective. (Assuming, of course, that the router's > firewall functionality is turned on and correctly configured.) Like it was written there as an absolute statement "a router makes a firewall unnecessary", it was an incomplete and therefor false statement. Yes, a router *can* have a firewall on board. And yes, most of the "residential broadband routers" nowadays do have a firewall. But most of the time, people take a router out of the box and the bubblewrap, plug it in, and forget about it. I'm one of the moderators on a forum for the customers of a Belgian cable ISP, and I have read too much horror stories... > > Using a router is no excuse for not using a good firewall. > > Right, unless that router *is* a good firewall. Indeed, but there are too many ifs and maybes. It's better to be sure than sorry. And a multilayered defense never hurt anyone. It's the same with spam prevention. -- Amedee Van Gasse amedee at amedee.be From oren at i-com-it.com Tue Dec 5 08:40:39 2006 From: oren at i-com-it.com (Oren Shimoni) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:40:39 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] I don't wont to send me email again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All I don't won't to send spambayes to me email.... I don't wont Oren shimony -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/566 - Release Date: 03/12/2006 16:36 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.7/569 - Release Date: 05/12/2006 03:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061205/8e77973a/attachment.htm From amedee at amedee.be Tue Dec 5 10:22:33 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:22:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] I don't wont to send me email again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54699.127.0.0.1.1165310553.squirrel@127.0.0.1> On Tue, December 5, 2006 8:40, Oren Shimoni said: > > > All > > I don't won't to send spambayes to me email.... > > I don't wont Yes, you said that already more than once... You have been told to send "unsubscribe" (without quotes) to spambayes-request at python.org or visit the URL at the bottom of this page. Have you done that yet? Have you done that, but it didn't work? Any other questions/problems? Please ask! -- Amedee Van Gasse From Kirchel at gutenberg-rz.de Tue Dec 5 12:12:26 2006 From: Kirchel at gutenberg-rz.de (Kirchel Oliver) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:12:26 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] I don't wont to send me email again Message-ID: <3F97E504FCE3C646A14E71793196E64201DBBD7C@vgmex005.vgm.vlnetz.de> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: spambayes-bounces+kirchel=gutenberg-rz.de at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+kirchel=gutenberg-rz.de at python.org] Im Auftrag von spambayes-request at python.org Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2006 12:00 An: spambayes at python.org Betreff: SpamBayes Digest, Vol 100, Issue 5 Send SpamBayes mailing list submissions to spambayes at python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to spambayes-request at python.org You can reach the person managing the list at spambayes-owner at python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of SpamBayes digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: I don't wont to send me email again (Oren Shimoni) 2. Re: I don't wont to send me email again (Amedee Van Gasse) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:40:39 +0200 From: "Oren Shimoni" Subject: Re: [Spambayes] I don't wont to send me email again To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All I don't won't to send spambayes to me email.... I don't wont Oren shimony -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/566 - Release Date: 03/12/2006 16:36 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.7/569 - Release Date: 05/12/2006 03:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061205/8e77973a/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:22:33 +0100 (CET) From: "Amedee Van Gasse" Subject: Re: [Spambayes] I don't wont to send me email again To: "Oren Shimoni" Cc: spambayes at python.org Message-ID: <54699.127.0.0.1.1165310553.squirrel at 127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 On Tue, December 5, 2006 8:40, Oren Shimoni said: > > > All > > I don't won't to send spambayes to me email.... > > I don't wont Yes, you said that already more than once... You have been told to send "unsubscribe" (without quotes) to spambayes-request at python.org or visit the URL at the bottom of this page. Have you done that yet? Have you done that, but it didn't work? Any other questions/problems? Please ask! -- Amedee Van Gasse ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html End of SpamBayes Digest, Vol 100, Issue 5 ***************************************** From kozel at lineart.cz Tue Dec 5 12:21:08 2006 From: kozel at lineart.cz (Pavel Strnad) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:21:08 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] erros in spambayes Message-ID: <000c01c7185f$7641ec20$5a1814ac@IBMKKK> Hi dear SpamBayes makers! Please help me. Where I made en error? I have installed WindowsXP Pro SP2, Outlook XP(2002), and fresh install SpamBayes (1_python-2.5.msi, 2_pywin32-210.win32-py2.5.exe, 3_spambayes-1.1a3.exe). So when I try to start the Outlook, response me 2 errors: and What?s wrong? Thanks for help best regards Pavel Strnad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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While I enjoyed the ability to classify email as spam/ham within Thunderbird, the built-in spam filter was not effective enough to make it usable on a long-term basis. Having past experience with SpamBayes, I immediately looked for the best way to integrate the two. Unfortunately, aside from an old rumor I found nothing. So I settled for the pop3 proxy distributed with SpamBayes. While this provided good spam classification results, it left room for improvement on the training procedure. The browser-based training mechanism, while effective, was not convenient and essentially required me to classify most spam that made it to my inbox twice: once to move it to the Junk folder within Thunderbird and once to classify it as spam in the SpamBayes web-interface. Hopefully this will put an end to the frustration. Read more here: http://www.openpolitics.com/pieces/archives/002113.html Download the extension here: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=5750 ~ Daniel From Heather at LabergeInsurance.com Wed Dec 6 15:18:53 2006 From: Heather at LabergeInsurance.com (Heather Barnard) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:18:53 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] COM Add-Ins problem Message-ID: A workstation in my office had Spambayes installed and for some reason it is no longer working. I uninstalled the software and reinstalled it, but for some reason under Tools, Options, Other Tab, Advanced Options and COM Add-Ins the box next to Spambayes does not stay checked off. Can you help me figure out the problem so we can begin using this wonderful software again?? Thanks! Heather L. Barnard AU, CISR Laberge Insurance Agency, Inc. PO Box 628 Middlebury, VT 05753 Phone: (802) 388-2772 Fax: (802) 388-0535 Please note that no coverage will be bound or modified using e-mail without confirmation from us. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061206/4e8d4418/attachment.htm From cwright at haxsystems.com Wed Dec 6 16:03:09 2006 From: cwright at haxsystems.com (Charles Wright) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:03:09 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Add-in problem Message-ID: <000701c71947$a5563050$0401a8c0@andromeda.rcich.org> I am trying to configure the SpamBayes Outlook add-in on my wife's XP workstation, but it will not install and i cannot register the addin using regsvr32. curiously, on the same workstation, SpamBayes installs and works fine on my login. Similarly, on my wife's login on the domain server (Windows 2003), it installs and functions normally. however, i really do not like the idea of her signing on the domain server to get email. i have gone through the FAQ and tried the various suggestions, but nothing seems to work. No log files are generated (at least, not that i can find). when i run the following command: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin>regsvr32 outlook_addin.dll i get an error that the dll registration failed: "DLLRegisterServer in Outlook_addin.dll failed. Return code was 0x80040201" i have tried registering in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE as local and domain administrator, but SpamBayes still does not appear when she runs Outlook. The COM addin manager doesn't even show it in the list. any help would be appreciated. From bishop at aeroprise.com Wed Dec 6 20:29:42 2006 From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:29:42 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Can I configure Spambayes to accept all mailfrom trusted addresses? In-Reply-To: <1165043527.9700.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: I know we would all love to have a tool that automatically knows what is spam and what is not spam without any work from us, but I have noticed the active war in progress between the spam blockers and the spam generators. The ingenuity of the spammers challenges all spam filters, and leaves us settling for minimizing the time we need to spend in training our own spam filters. I like SpamBayes because I am more certain that it is not classifying good email as certain spam. A little spam is classified as good email, but much less than my actual good email. I have now trained my SpamBayes so I hardly ever see a good email in my possible spam folder, so I am quite certain that no good email is going into my certain spam folder. In order to get to this level, I have trained over 3000 spam and 3000 ham messages. Since my initial training was nearly this large, the amount of additional ham and spam training since initial training has only been in the hundreds (very little ham training). I have achieved this with my filtering of certain spam at 75%, and possible spam at 15%. The fundamental work we must do to train SpamBayes can fortunately be focussed on the easier task of training SpamBayes on the contents of our possible spam folder, and then occasionally telling SpamBayes that something it thought was perfectly good was actually spam. I find processing the possible spam folder is much faster than if this email is in my inbox. I always process my possible spam folder before I look at my inbox. Although you can imagine rules that would reduce the requirement to train SpamBayes, the engineers at SpamBayes have determined that none of these algorithms work. All algorithms that identify ham without using full SpamBayes will allow spam to be classified as ham. Only SpamBayes approach can actually protect you from the spam, but it must be trained, and re-trained as the spammers alter the nature of their attacks. You can see the sophistication of the spammers you are dealing with and SpamBayes in defending you by looking at the "Show spam clues for current message" button in Outlook. This writes an email for one message showing you the entire SpamBayes analysis of this message given your training database. As I look at this, I am astounded by which tokens actually turn out to be useful in separating the ham from the spam. SpamBayes is able to find and use tokens most of us would not even think of using. Sometimes we wonder if it isn't looking at too many tokens, but sometimes tokens we wouldn't think would be useful for separating ham from spam do turn out to be useful, after all. It turns out that the token "cc:" is a very useful ham indicator for me, with a spam probability of 0.00614804, whereas no-one would expect this, but SpamBayes is using it in my database. Spammers could eliminate the usefulness of this token at any moment. As soon as they do, SpamBayes will immediately adapt. Peter Bishop Aeroprise, Inc. Take advantage of the Aeroprise Enterprise Discovery and Personalization System for both Smart Clients and standard browsers available only with the Aeroprise Mobile Gateway. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 11:12 PM To: David and Maureen Jardine Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Can I configure Spambayes to accept all mailfrom trusted addresses? Op zaterdag 02-12-2006 om 10:35 uur [tijdzone +0800], schreef David and Maureen Jardine: > Spambayes keeps putting mail from friends and even my own work email > address into the Junk Suspects folder. Is there any way that I can > configure Spambayes to accept all mail from particular email > addresses? Yes, you can train them as ham. See also the thread that started on 21/11 about the same topic. -- Amedee _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From onlineservices at nationwide.co.uk Wed Dec 6 20:23:40 2006 From: onlineservices at nationwide.co.uk (Nationwide Online Services) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:23:40 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Important Notice, Your Nationwide Online Account. Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061206/3efcdca0/attachment.html From ginky4 at comcast.net Thu Dec 7 08:49:24 2006 From: ginky4 at comcast.net (Bill Hartman) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 02:49:24 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Question for a Windows 2000 Server Message-ID: <000601c719d4$3719fe40$6601a8c0@billeing0fvhr1> I am running Windows 2000 Server edition on my server. I am running an exchange server for my Microsoft Outlook. I have 8 work stations that are mapped to the server. Is there a way to install Spambayes on my server somehow so that junk and spam email doesn't get to my work stations or does Spambayes have to be installed on each individual work station? Let me know. Thanks, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061207/85bdc6c5/attachment.htm From mkhor at optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 7 22:09:21 2006 From: mkhor at optusnet.com.au (Michael Khor) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:09:21 +1100 Subject: [Spambayes] problem with spambayes 1.0.4 Message-ID: <000401c71a44$10d8cb10$6500a8c0@khor2> Hi There I am trying to get spambayes working for Outlook Express 6. I performed the installation once using the OE option and not the Outlook Addin option. Every appeared to install fine and the sb tray icon appeared I configured the server, but it didn't work..i know I didn't set it correctly as i missed a few fields. Anyway, so i stopped the server and exited After that, i could no longer start the sb-tray icon AFter much mucking around, I removed and reinstalled spambayes, however no matter what I try, i still cannot get the tray icon to appear. I have done the uninsall and manually removed reg entries with no luck I have even tried manually creating the sb_service service using the -install option and that doesn't work. I get the following error. C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin>sb_service.exe -install Traceback (most recent call last): File "boot_service.py", line 12, in ? File "pop3proxy_service.pyc", line 82, in ? File "sb_server.pyc", line 867, in ? File "sb_server.pyc", line 667, in __init__ File "sb_server.pyc", line 695, in init File "sb_server.pyc", line 857, in _addressAndPort ValueError: invalid literal for int(): mail.optusnet.com.au Spambayes does not come up as a service under Admin tools either any ideas ? i'm running XP Pro SP2 with all latest fixes. Regards, Michael Khor mkhor at optusnet.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061208/e92fd25a/attachment.htm From Chautd99 at aol.com Fri Dec 8 07:40:12 2006 From: Chautd99 at aol.com (Chautd99 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 01:40:12 EST Subject: [Spambayes] Thank you for sending us your question for Jennifer. Message-ID: DEAR JEN, DO YOU WANT TO BE MY FRIEND, I LOVE YOU LIKE MY SISTER. LOVE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061208/1ef9f510/attachment.html From christos.zervos at intracom.gr Fri Dec 8 17:09:36 2006 From: christos.zervos at intracom.gr (Christos Zervos) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 18:09:36 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] CONGRATULATIONS - One of the most useful programs ever built by human Message-ID: <008001c71ae3$4176edc0$3a437c92@cmc.intranet.gr> I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF YOU FOR ONE OF THE MOST EXCELLENT AND USEFUL PROGRAMS EVER CREATED. SpamBayes is the program I just needed. Due to a large amount of spam e-mails in my Inbox, I googled for "best antispam email filter freeware" and I came across to this page: http://www.techsupportalert.com/best_46_free_utilities.htm#17 where SpamBayes is mentioned. I downloaded, installed and ... voila! Excellent job guys! Christos Zervos Athens, Greece From WSadkin at Parlancecorp.com Fri Dec 8 21:07:29 2006 From: WSadkin at Parlancecorp.com (Will Sadkin) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:07:29 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam? Message-ID: <61957B071FF421419E567A28A45C7FE505DFE37F@mailbox.nameconnector.com> Hi all, We've been using spambayes at our company for years now, but of late almost all the spam that gets through is image spam, and its volume is increasing rapidly. (See New York Times article, December 6, 2006 "Spam Doubles, Finding New Ways to Deliver Itself", by Brad Stone. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/technology/06spam.html) Can anyone say when will there be an official release that does something about it? Regards, /Will Sadkin Parlance Corporation From guich at superwaba.com.br Sat Dec 9 14:51:34 2006 From: guich at superwaba.com.br (Guilherme C. Hazan) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 11:51:34 -0200 Subject: [Spambayes] 500 server error - AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' Message-ID: <000301c71b99$23f87460$650aa8c0@michelleguich> Hi, I have configured spambayes and now it issues: 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 552, in onReview File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 247, in _buildReviewKeys AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'keys' I'm using version 1.1a3. clues? thanks guich From drew.wolff at gmail.com Sun Dec 10 00:33:00 2006 From: drew.wolff at gmail.com (Drew Wolff) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 18:33:00 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] When is 1.1 due? Message-ID: <000001c71bea$5e30eb70$6600a8c0@THINKPAD> Hi, I have been an avid user for over the past year. I am using v1.0.4 on my home Thinkpad that runs WinXP with Outlook 2003 connecting to 3 ISP accounts (gmail, comcast and a private ISP). When is the next version due? I would love to give a whirl to see: . what new features you have added . if there are any performance improvements - my Outlook is getting slower and slower despite my keeping my pst files small and compressing each . if you have added the SPAM button to the message window instead of only being displayed in the main Outlook window. Why, when I open a message and start reading it, do I have to go back to the main window to mark it as SPAM? I should be able to do that from my message window. Thanks - and great job with this! Best, Drew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Click it and select SpamBayes Manager... from the menu that drops down, then click Configuration Wizard... in the dialog that is displayed. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Alex Matini Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:25 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Please Advise Importance: High Dear Sir/Madam: When I open up my outlook program, I get the following prompt: There appears to be a problem with the SpamBayes configuration. Please select the SpamBayes manager, and run the Configuration Wizard to reconfigure the filter. Can you please tell me what I need to do to fix this problem? I have tried to locate the SpamBayes manager on my hard drive but have come up empty. I appreciate your assistance; you have a great program. Thank you. 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We have recently changed email systems to Mdaemon, and since then, some mails I receive from the system are being flagged as follows: 1.6 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60% This in itself isn't too bad, as it's still quite low, and varies from email to email, but I would like to issue some guidelines on the site that certain things will trigger SPAM filters, and as we are certainly not in the business of SPAM, and would remove anyone from our system immediately should they be communicating to people unless they had expressly opted-in, I'm wondering if you offer any guidelines for companies such as ourselves. My customers are getting annoyed that their customers, whom want to receive information about special offers, are not always receiving them. We have introduced a whitelisting policy and guidelines, but I want to have the best chance of delivering high quality, desired emails, and I want to do it right. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061211/927f05d5/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Mon Dec 11 19:04:16 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:04:16 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17789.40352.537575.401100@montanaro.dyndns.org> Mel> ... since then, some mails I receive from the system are being Mel> flagged as follows: Mel> 1.6 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60% Mel> This in itself isn't too bad, as it's still quite low, and varies Mel> from email to email, but I would like to issue some guidelines on Mel> the site that certain things will trigger SPAM filters, and as we Mel> are certainly not in the business of SPAM, and would remove anyone Mel> from our system immediately should they be communicating to people Mel> unless they had expressly opted-in, I'm wondering if you offer any Mel> guidelines for companies such as ourselves. Mel> My customers are getting annoyed that their customers, whom want to Mel> receive information about special offers, are not always receiving Mel> them. We have introduced a whitelisting policy and guidelines, but Mel> I want to have the best chance of delivering high quality, desired Mel> emails, and I want to do it right. Mel, SpamBayes doesn't offer whitelisting. That's a job best done by a user's mail program's filter capability. I'm not sure where that message is coming from, BTW. It doesn't look like anything SpamBayes emits. A quick check at Google suggests that's a SpamAssassin message. Skip From amedee at amedee.be Mon Dec 11 19:34:38 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 19:34:38 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1165862078.5310.6.camel@localhost> Op maandag 11-12-2006 om 16:37 uur [tijdzone +0000], schreef Mel Jensen: > This in itself isn?t too bad, as it?s still quite low, and varies from > email to email, but I would like to issue some guidelines on the site > that certain things will trigger SPAM filters, and as we are certainly > not in the business of SPAM, and would remove anyone from our system > immediately should they be communicating to people unless they had > expressly opted-in, I?m wondering if you offer any guidelines for > companies such as ourselves. > What Skip said, and whitelisting. Whitelisting is the only thing that is 100% foolproof. What is wanted for your customers, might be spam for me. Or vice versa. All commercial email, by its nature, inherently has a certain degree of characteristics that are typical for spam, intentional or not. Put the words "free", "discount", or "offer" in an email, it's score will go up almost as much as if you would have written the name of a certain brand of blue pills. > > My customers are getting annoyed that their customers, whom want to > receive information about special offers, are not always receiving > them. We have introduced a whitelisting policy and guidelines, but I > want to have the best chance of delivering high quality, desired > emails, and I want to do it right. > Whitelisting. Definitely. Can't go wrong there. And ask the spamassassin people. -- Amedee Van Gasse From jsp at PKC.com Mon Dec 11 20:03:42 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:03:42 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C04@PKCVT01.pkc.com> The only thing you and your customers can do to avoid being flagged as spam by Bayesian filters is to make sure your messages don't look like what recipients classify as spam. That's a tall order, of course; different people have different ideas of what constitutes spam, and the language used in spam changes somewhat over time. Probably the most important thing you can do is to send only plain text messages - no HTML. Unfortunately, that may be unpalatable to your customers. If your system constructs HTML messages, I suppose you could analyze the tags that are popular with spammers at any given time and try to avoid using them, but you'd be running just as fast as you could trying to stay where you are. (I'm not even sure that would work; it depends on how filters tokenize HTML.) Other than that, you can assure your customers that some of their messages will almost certainly be classified as spam. SpamBayes does not automatically delete messages precisely because occasional misclassification is inevitable. They might be able to reduce this by asking themselves whether their messages sound like spam, but Bayesian filters are often sharper than humans, so this might not work. At the risk of consorting with the devil, I'd suggest offering a tuning service. Give your customers a way to run a trial message through a number of spam filters and see how it scores, tweak it, and try again. Maybe you could have consultants advise customers about how to adjust their language. Maybe you could even make money at it. But part of the reason I'm willing to make the suggestion where spammers can see it is because I doubt it would work particularly well. Well-trained Bayesian filters act astonishingly intelligently. For what it's worth, I would regard a SpamBayes spam score of 0 - 5% as "quite low." Almost everything with a score in the 40 - 60% range meets my definition of spam. Of course, your filter may be different. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Mel Jensen Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:37 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM Hello, I'm a web developer, and my company provides an off the shelf ecommerce solution, which in turn allows the webstore owners to communicate to their customers via email. We have recently changed email systems to Mdaemon, and since then, some mails I receive from the system are being flagged as follows: 1.6 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60% This in itself isn't too bad, as it's still quite low, and varies from email to email, but I would like to issue some guidelines on the site that certain things will trigger SPAM filters, and as we are certainly not in the business of SPAM, and would remove anyone from our system immediately should they be communicating to people unless they had expressly opted-in, I'm wondering if you offer any guidelines for companies such as ourselves. My customers are getting annoyed that their customers, whom want to receive information about special offers, are not always receiving them. We have introduced a whitelisting policy and guidelines, but I want to have the best chance of delivering high quality, desired emails, and I want to do it right. Thank you in advance, Mel T. 01784 419968 F. 01784 419969 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061211/fe5dcad6/attachment.htm From wsy at merl.com Mon Dec 11 20:08:26 2006 From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Y) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:08:26 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM In-Reply-To: (mel.jensen@clic2business.com) References: Message-ID: <200612111908.kBBJ8Q9X005886@spoo.merl.com> From: "Mel Jensen" Hello, I'm a web developer, and my company provides an off the shelf ecommerce solution, which in turn allows the webstore owners to communicate to their customers via email. We have recently changed email systems to Mdaemon, and since then, some mails I receive from the system are being flagged as follows: Very simply- you can't. The nature of any learning filter is that it will learn what your customers' customers want to see - and what they do NOT want to see. So, no matter what you're doing, if your customers' customers don't want to see it, it won't go through and you're Out Of Luck. If your customers' customers are getting spam-flags on a learning filter, then either the filters will quickly learn what your "good" email looks like, or (more likely) your customers are spammers; you should update your resume and find another line of work. As a short term solution, your customers' customers can whitelist you if they want you. If the customers' customers aren't complaining that the email is bouncing, then your customers really *are* spammers and you need to find another career. - Bill Yerazunis From WSadkin at Parlancecorp.com Mon Dec 11 20:20:48 2006 From: WSadkin at Parlancecorp.com (Will Sadkin) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:20:48 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam? Message-ID: <61957B071FF421419E567A28A45C7FE505DFE384@mailbox.nameconnector.com> Hi all, We've been using spambayes at our company for years now, but of late almost all the spam that gets through is image spam, and its volume is increasing rapidly. (See New York Times article, December 6, 2006 "Spam Doubles, Finding New Ways to Deliver Itself", by Brad Stone. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/technology/06spam.html) Can anyone say when will there be an official release that does something about it? Regards, /Will Sadkin Parlance Corporation From skip at pobox.com Mon Dec 11 21:53:08 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:53:08 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam? In-Reply-To: <61957B071FF421419E567A28A45C7FE505DFE384@mailbox.nameconnector.com> References: <61957B071FF421419E567A28A45C7FE505DFE384@mailbox.nameconnector.com> Message-ID: <17789.50484.549440.769231@montanaro.dyndns.org> Will> We've been using spambayes at our company for years now, but of Will> late almost all the spam that gets through is image spam, and its Will> volume is increasing rapidly. (See New York Times article, Will> December 6, 2006 "Spam Doubles, Finding New Ways to Deliver Will> Itself", by Brad Stone. Will> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/technology/06spam.html) Will> Can anyone say when will there be an official release that does Will> something about it? I suppose I should answer this. There were some people testing the OCR stuff on Windows. I got a raft of bug reports about Unix-centric problems in the code. Since I fixed them I've heard nothing. I don't know if that's good or bad. On the one hand it works well for me. On the other hand I've had no real feedback on the effectiveness of the recent additions (especially the OCR stuff) from other people. With the exception of building a Windows installer I think I can pretty much do a 1.1 beta release. (I can probably con someone into building a Windows release.) What platform do you need SpamBayes on? Are you willing to test a beta release? Skip From jveazey at swbell.net Tue Dec 12 06:26:53 2006 From: jveazey at swbell.net (Joe Veazey) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:26:53 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] I would be interested in trying the WinXP MS Outlook 2003 Spambayes, with OCR Message-ID: <000001c71dae$225158e0$6401a8c0@godbox> About the only spam getting thru SpamBayes now days is image only spam, particularly those penny stock scams. I would be interested in trying a beta version of SpamBayes with OCR. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061211/018a1b91/attachment.htm From bercov at westnet.com.au Tue Dec 12 15:23:48 2006 From: bercov at westnet.com.au (Rod & Yvonne Bercov) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:23:48 +0800 Subject: [Spambayes] All our stored emails have disappeared Message-ID: <000001c71df9$241f1ef0$6401a8c0@hal2006> I hope you can provide directions to recover all of our stored emails. We have had a new computer for only two weeks approx. The installer transferred a large quantity of our stored "Inbox" emails from our old computer. We are using SpamBayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 1.0.4 (March 2005). This causes all of our incoming emails to be placed in the "Junk Suspects" folder in the first instance. We have not yet figured out how to "train" the computer to recognise spam and therefore we have not yet transferred any emails out of "Junk Suspects" into "Inbox". Yesterday (Monday 11/12/06), all of our stored emails simply disappeared out of "Junk Suspects". We have made enquiries through the "help" function by inserting "quarantined emails" and "hidden emails" as our enquiry. However this was unsuccessful. We look forward to receiving you reply as soon as possible, with effective directions leading to the recovery of our stored incoming emails. Rod and Yvonne Bercov -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061212/17ac4c9f/attachment.html From wsy at merl.com Tue Dec 12 16:38:50 2006 From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Y) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:38:50 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam? In-Reply-To: <17789.50484.549440.769231@montanaro.dyndns.org> (skip@pobox.com) References: <61957B071FF421419E567A28A45C7FE505DFE384@mailbox.nameconnector.com> <17789.50484.549440.769231@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200612121538.kBCFco9n008621@spoo.merl.com> From: skip at pobox.com I suppose I should answer this. There were some people testing the OCR stuff on Windows. I got a raft of bug reports about Unix-centric problems in the code. Since I fixed them I've heard nothing. I don't know if that's good or bad. On the one hand it works well for me. On the other hand I've had no real feedback on the effectiveness of the recent additions (especially the OCR stuff) from other people. I'll add that you might want to consider expanding the feature set in SpamBayes to do word pairs, triples, or even something like OSB features. >From a very few number of data points, it seems that OSB statistical systems have no trouble detecting and rejecting image spam without needing OCR. Maybe it's just luck. Who knows? - Bill From skip at pobox.com Tue Dec 12 16:59:01 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:59:01 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam? In-Reply-To: <200612121538.kBCFco9n008621@spoo.merl.com> References: <61957B071FF421419E567A28A45C7FE505DFE384@mailbox.nameconnector.com> <17789.50484.549440.769231@montanaro.dyndns.org> <200612121538.kBCFco9n008621@spoo.merl.com> Message-ID: <17790.53701.695676.926628@montanaro.dyndns.org> Bill> I'll add that you might want to consider expanding the feature set Bill> in SpamBayes to do word pairs, triples, or even something like OSB Bill> features. Bigram and trigram tests were run in the early days. What is "OSB"? Google gives me "Order of St. Benedict". I imagine the monks have a lot of time to filter spam as they lead a contemplative life, but I suspect much of it might make them blush. ;-) Skip From jsp at PKC.com Tue Dec 12 17:04:36 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 11:04:36 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] All our stored emails have disappeared In-Reply-To: <000001c71df9$241f1ef0$6401a8c0@hal2006> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C0F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> SpamBayes does not hide or delete messages, and the closest thing to a quarantine it has is moving messages into your possible spam and certain spam folders. I'm afraid something else moved or removed those messages. Have you looked in the Deleted Items folder? If SpamBayes is installed correctly, training is simple. First, select an incorrectly classified message (possible spam, spam that is in the ham folder, or ham in the spam folder). Then either drag it to the correct folder or click the appropriate SpamBayes button ("Recover from Spam" or "Delete as Spam" in 1.0.4, if I recall correctly). ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Rod & Yvonne Bercov Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 9:24 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] All our stored emails have disappeared Importance: High I hope you can provide directions to recover all of our stored emails. We have had a new computer for only two weeks approx. The installer transferred a large quantity of our stored "Inbox" emails from our old computer. We are using SpamBayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 1.0.4 (March 2005). This causes all of our incoming emails to be placed in the "Junk Suspects" folder in the first instance. We have not yet figured out how to "train" the computer to recognise spam and therefore we have not yet transferred any emails out of "Junk Suspects" into "Inbox". Yesterday (Monday 11/12/06), all of our stored emails simply disappeared out of "Junk Suspects". We have made enquiries through the "help" function by inserting "quarantined emails" and "hidden emails" as our enquiry. However this was unsuccessful. We look forward to receiving you reply as soon as possible, with effective directions leading to the recovery of our stored incoming emails. Rod and Yvonne Bercov -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061212/9fa0ebbc/attachment.html From WSadkin at Parlancecorp.com Tue Dec 12 19:49:27 2006 From: WSadkin at Parlancecorp.com (Will Sadkin) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:49:27 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] date for new release to handle image spam? Message-ID: <61957B071FF421419E567A28A45C7FE505DFE38B@mailbox.nameconnector.com> skip at pobox.com wrote: > Will> We've been using spambayes at our company for years now, > but of Will> late almost all the spam that gets through is image > spam, and its Will> volume is increasing rapidly. (See New York > Times article, Will> December 6, 2006 "Spam Doubles, Finding New > Ways to Deliver Will> Itself", by Brad Stone. > Will> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/technology/06spam.html) > > Will> Can anyone say when will there be an official release that > does Will> something about it? > > I suppose I should answer this. There were some people testing the > OCR stuff on Windows. I got a raft of bug reports about Unix-centric > problems in the code. Since I fixed them I've heard nothing. I > don't know if that's good or bad. On the one hand it works well for > me. On the other hand I've had no real feedback on the effectiveness > of the recent additions (especially the OCR stuff) from other people. > > With the exception of building a Windows installer I think I can > pretty much do a 1.1 beta release. (I can probably con someone into > building a Windows release.) What platform do you need SpamBayes on? > Are you willing to test a beta release? > > Skip heheh. Windows, (with outlook) of course... :-) If I can test with a prebuilt installer, I'd be happy to give it a whirl and report back... /Will From bishop at aeroprise.com Tue Dec 12 21:30:52 2006 From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:30:52 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] All our stored emails have disappeared In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C0F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: Remember that Outlook has AutoArchiving features. There is some possibility that the AutoArchive feature either deleted these emails or archived them into another folder. In my opinion, the Possible Spam folder (I think is what your Junk Suspects folder is), should not be auto archived or auto deleted, since you should process everything in this folder and either label it as Spam (Delete As Spam) or label it as good email (Recover from Spam). When you hit Recover from Spam on something in your Junk Suspects folds, it puts it back into the Inbox, and trains SpamBayes to recognize this email as a good email. Similarly, hitting Delete As Spam moves the email into the Junk Certain folder and trains SpamBayes that this message is spam. As SpamBayes is trained, the amount of stuff in the Junk Suspects folder decreases, as does the spam in the Inbox. Peter Bishop _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:05 AM To: Rod & Yvonne Bercov; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] All our stored emails have disappeared SpamBayes does not hide or delete messages, and the closest thing to a quarantine it has is moving messages into your possible spam and certain spam folders. I'm afraid something else moved or removed those messages. Have you looked in the Deleted Items folder? If SpamBayes is installed correctly, training is simple. First, select an incorrectly classified message (possible spam, spam that is in the ham folder, or ham in the spam folder). Then either drag it to the correct folder or click the appropriate SpamBayes button ("Recover from Spam" or "Delete as Spam" in 1.0.4, if I recall correctly). _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Rod & Yvonne Bercov Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 9:24 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] All our stored emails have disappeared Importance: High I hope you can provide directions to recover all of our stored emails. We have had a new computer for only two weeks approx. The installer transferred a large quantity of our stored "Inbox" emails from our old computer. We are using SpamBayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 1.0.4 (March 2005). This causes all of our incoming emails to be placed in the "Junk Suspects" folder in the first instance. We have not yet figured out how to "train" the computer to recognise spam and therefore we have not yet transferred any emails out of "Junk Suspects" into "Inbox". Yesterday (Monday 11/12/06), all of our stored emails simply disappeared out of "Junk Suspects". We have made enquiries through the "help" function by inserting "quarantined emails" and "hidden emails" as our enquiry. However this was unsuccessful. We look forward to receiving you reply as soon as possible, with effective directions leading to the recovery of our stored incoming emails. Rod and Yvonne Bercov -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061212/ad8278ff/attachment.html From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Wed Dec 13 14:43:09 2006 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:43:09 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F50083078D0@SPIKE.city> We use Barracuda (a variant of Spam Assassin, IIRC) at work, and my wife and I use Spambayes at home. Both work pretty well, and in neither case have I seen any correlation between false positives and HTML. (Spambayes doesn't give false positives; Barracuda does, but for other reasons.) IN MY OPINION, the assertion that "the most important thing you can do" to keep your messages from being labelled as spam is nonsense. Just as there are some people who irrationally despise cell phones, Windows, Unix, the Macintosh, etc., etc., there are those who see HTML mail as the personification of the devil and rail against it at every opportunity. (BTW, I don't include Jesse Pelton, who usually makes good sense, among such extremists.) They're fighting a losing battle, of course, but they do insist on fighting it; and their prejudices sometimes seep into the common lore. You can try sticking to plain text and see if helps, but I'd be surprised if it made a difference. FWIW, a high percentage of the spam I see is plain text, with or without included JPEG images. (This does NOT apply to "phishing" exploits; to achieve a credible degree of deception, they pretty much have to be HTML.) Bob _____ From: spambayes-bounces+rcoe=cambridgema.gov at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+rcoe=cambridgema.gov at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:04 PM To: Mel Jensen; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM The only thing you and your customers can do to avoid being flagged as spam by Bayesian filters is to make sure your messages don't look like what recipients classify as spam. That's a tall order, of course; different people have different ideas of what constitutes spam, and the language used in spam changes somewhat over time. Probably the most important thing you can do is to send only plain text messages - no HTML. Unfortunately, that may be unpalatable to your customers. If your system constructs HTML messages, I suppose you could analyze the tags that are popular with spammers at any given time and try to avoid using them, but you'd be running just as fast as you could trying to stay where you are. (I'm not even sure that would work; it depends on how filters tokenize HTML.) Other than that, you can assure your customers that some of their messages will almost certainly be classified as spam. SpamBayes does not automatically delete messages precisely because occasional misclassification is inevitable. They might be able to reduce this by asking themselves whether their messages sound like spam, but Bayesian filters are often sharper than humans, so this might not work. At the risk of consorting with the devil, I'd suggest offering a tuning service. Give your customers a way to run a trial message through a number of spam filters and see how it scores, tweak it, and try again. Maybe you could have consultants advise customers about how to adjust their language. Maybe you could even make money at it. But part of the reason I'm willing to make the suggestion where spammers can see it is because I doubt it would work particularly well. Well-trained Bayesian filters act astonishingly intelligently. For what it's worth, I would regard a SpamBayes spam score of 0 - 5% as "quite low." Almost everything with a score in the 40 - 60% range meets my definition of spam. Of course, your filter may be different. _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Mel Jensen Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:37 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM Hello, I'm a web developer, and my company provides an off the shelf ecommerce solution, which in turn allows the webstore owners to communicate to their customers via email. We have recently changed email systems to Mdaemon, and since then, some mails I receive from the system are being flagged as follows: 1.6 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60% This in itself isn't too bad, as it's still quite low, and varies from email to email, but I would like to issue some guidelines on the site that certain things will trigger SPAM filters, and as we are certainly not in the business of SPAM, and would remove anyone from our system immediately should they be communicating to people unless they had expressly opted-in, I'm wondering if you offer any guidelines for companies such as ourselves. My customers are getting annoyed that their customers, whom want to receive information about special offers, are not always receiving them. We have introduced a whitelisting policy and guidelines, but I want to have the best chance of delivering high quality, desired emails, and I want to do it right. Thank you in advance, Mel T. 01784 419968 F. 01784 419969 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061213/7e922c87/attachment.htm From edelmann at hcst.net Wed Dec 13 14:25:47 2006 From: edelmann at hcst.net (John Edelmann) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:25:47 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes question re: training version 1.1a3 Message-ID: <000001c71eba$e2189280$11e98040@americas.hpqcorp.net> Folks, new user to spambayes here. I have outlook express using the POP3/SMTP approach, without a SERVICE defined. I'm having 1 problem and I have 1 question. Problem: EVery time I change configuration parameters I have to REBOOT before the localhost:8880 port will work (except for the configure page). "/Home" gives me page not found, and immediately after I do the config, I get various database looking errors... see below (from the /changeopts page) 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 884, in onChangeopts File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 782, in reReadOptions File "sb_server.pyc", line 1007, in _recreateState File "sb_server.pyc", line 1022, in prepare File "sb_server.pyc", line 822, in prepare File "sb_server.pyc", line 889, in createWorkers File "spambayes\Stats.pyc", line 60, in __init__ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_statistics_start_date'QUESTION: What is the purpose of "DISCARD" in the training button list? I under stand defer, spam, and ham. What is the intentbehind "DISCARD"? (I guess I could try it... )I'm assuming, nevertheless, that the entire point of Spambayes in a proxy server approach as I use it with Outlook EXPRESS,is that the emails are annotated somehow (either in subject or by an additional fictitious email recipient of spam at spambayes.invalid) and a rule is then defined in Outlook Express to handle such recipients (by moving the messages to a junk mail folder).Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061213/0e779b35/attachment.html From edelmann at hcst.net Wed Dec 13 15:12:11 2006 From: edelmann at hcst.net (John Edelmann) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:12:11 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes question re: training version 1.1a3 Message-ID: <002e01c71ec0$b07a55f0$11e98040@americas.hpqcorp.net> Folks, new user to spambayes here. I have outlook express using the POP3/SMTP approach, without a SERVICE defined. I'm having 1 problem and I have 1 question. Problem: EVery time I change configuration parameters I have to REBOOT before the localhost:8880 port will work (except for the configure page). "/Home" gives me page not found, and immediately after I do the config, I get various database looking errors... see below (from the /changeopts page) 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 884, in onChangeopts File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 782, in reReadOptions File "sb_server.pyc", line 1007, in _recreateState File "sb_server.pyc", line 1022, in prepare File "sb_server.pyc", line 822, in prepare File "sb_server.pyc", line 889, in createWorkers File "spambayes\Stats.pyc", line 60, in __init__ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_statistics_start_date' QUESTION: What is the purpose of "DISCARD" in the training button list? I under stand defer, spam, and ham. What is the intentbehind "DISCARD"? (I guess I could try it... ) I'm assuming, nevertheless, that the entire point of Spambayes in a proxy server approach as I use it with Outlook EXPRESS,is that the emails are annotated somehow (either in subject or by an additional fictitious email recipient of spam at spambayes.invalid) and a rule is then defined in Outlook Express to handle such recipients (by moving the messages to a junk mail folder). Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061213/fb1e5d49/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Wed Dec 13 15:29:09 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:29:09 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F50083078D0@SPIKE.city> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C1C@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Bob may have a point regarding HTML in e-mails; perhaps I have fallen for an urban myth. People I work with who want to send HTML e-mails have often run afoul of various spam filters and believed that to be at least in part because of the use of HTML. I don't know how rigorous their determination was, or whether the situation at that time pertains today. And I generally delete messages that are clearly spam without reading at them (isn't that the point?), so I can't say whether the messages I classify as spam are disproportionately HTML, or HTML messages are disproportionately spam. Bob, when you say "a high percentage of the spam I see is plain text, with or without included JPEG images," are you saying you get non-HTML messages with attached images, or HTML messages composed of undecorated text and embedded images? I don't think there's any way to embed an image in a text/plain message. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Coe, Bob Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:43 AM To: Mel Jensen; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM We use Barracuda (a variant of Spam Assassin, IIRC) at work, and my wife and I use Spambayes at home. Both work pretty well, and in neither case have I seen any correlation between false positives and HTML. (Spambayes doesn't give false positives; Barracuda does, but for other reasons.) IN MY OPINION, the assertion that "the most important thing you can do" to keep your messages from being labelled as spam is nonsense. Just as there are some people who irrationally despise cell phones, Windows, Unix, the Macintosh, etc., etc., there are those who see HTML mail as the personification of the devil and rail against it at every opportunity. (BTW, I don't include Jesse Pelton, who usually makes good sense, among such extremists.) They're fighting a losing battle, of course, but they do insist on fighting it; and their prejudices sometimes seep into the common lore. You can try sticking to plain text and see if helps, but I'd be surprised if it made a difference. FWIW, a high percentage of the spam I see is plain text, with or without included JPEG images. (This does NOT apply to "phishing" exploits; to achieve a credible degree of deception, they pretty much have to be HTML.) Bob ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces+rcoe=cambridgema.gov at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+rcoe=cambridgema.gov at python.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Pelton Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:04 PM To: Mel Jensen; spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM The only thing you and your customers can do to avoid being flagged as spam by Bayesian filters is to make sure your messages don't look like what recipients classify as spam. That's a tall order, of course; different people have different ideas of what constitutes spam, and the language used in spam changes somewhat over time. Probably the most important thing you can do is to send only plain text messages - no HTML. Unfortunately, that may be unpalatable to your customers. If your system constructs HTML messages, I suppose you could analyze the tags that are popular with spammers at any given time and try to avoid using them, but you'd be running just as fast as you could trying to stay where you are. (I'm not even sure that would work; it depends on how filters tokenize HTML.) Other than that, you can assure your customers that some of their messages will almost certainly be classified as spam. SpamBayes does not automatically delete messages precisely because occasional misclassification is inevitable. They might be able to reduce this by asking themselves whether their messages sound like spam, but Bayesian filters are often sharper than humans, so this might not work. At the risk of consorting with the devil, I'd suggest offering a tuning service. Give your customers a way to run a trial message through a number of spam filters and see how it scores, tweak it, and try again. Maybe you could have consultants advise customers about how to adjust their language. Maybe you could even make money at it. But part of the reason I'm willing to make the suggestion where spammers can see it is because I doubt it would work particularly well. Well-trained Bayesian filters act astonishingly intelligently. For what it's worth, I would regard a SpamBayes spam score of 0 - 5% as "quite low." Almost everything with a score in the 40 - 60% range meets my definition of spam. Of course, your filter may be different. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Mel Jensen Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:37 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] My mail is being picked up as SPAM Hello, I'm a web developer, and my company provides an off the shelf ecommerce solution, which in turn allows the webstore owners to communicate to their customers via email. We have recently changed email systems to Mdaemon, and since then, some mails I receive from the system are being flagged as follows: 1.6 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60% This in itself isn't too bad, as it's still quite low, and varies from email to email, but I would like to issue some guidelines on the site that certain things will trigger SPAM filters, and as we are certainly not in the business of SPAM, and would remove anyone from our system immediately should they be communicating to people unless they had expressly opted-in, I'm wondering if you offer any guidelines for companies such as ourselves. My customers are getting annoyed that their customers, whom want to receive information about special offers, are not always receiving them. We have introduced a whitelisting policy and guidelines, but I want to have the best chance of delivering high quality, desired emails, and I want to do it right. Thank you in advance, Mel T. 01784 419968 F. 01784 419969 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061213/8beb5c1e/attachment-0001.html From tedkilroy at hotmail.com Wed Dec 13 21:46:14 2006 From: tedkilroy at hotmail.com (tedkilroy) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 12:46:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes v1.04 Windows Message-ID: <7860935.post@talk.nabble.com> Am I missing something, all my ham is ending up in junk email folder not in the junk suspects folder. I set a score of 68 to be known spam and 45 to be placed in the junk suspects folder. I also used the recover from Spam so that SpamBAyes learns but all POP3 internal mail is ending up in the junk email folder instead. Any suggestions wouls be appreciated. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/SpamBayes-v1.04-Windows-tf2816539.html#a7860935 Sent from the Python - spambayes mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From steve at 1stchoiceprop.com Fri Dec 15 08:27:02 2006 From: steve at 1stchoiceprop.com (Steve Lewis) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:27:02 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Jumk Suspects Message-ID: <20061215075445.3F07B1E4006@bag.python.org> Hi There. I am new to Spambayes. It has installed OK and seems to be working fine. My question is, what do I do with "Junk Suspects" as I cant seem to find an answer to this? Do I delete them or will Spambayes learn that suspects are real junk? Thanks in advance for your help Regards Steve Lewis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061215/6a473739/attachment.htm From moors at helanta.sh Thu Dec 14 19:01:10 2006 From: moors at helanta.sh (Stuart Moors) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:01:10 -0000 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Olde Worlde environments Message-ID: <000001c71fa9$d6b022b0$0100a8c0@Tufeta> Much as I hate to admit it, where I live at the moment is, technologically speaking, several tens of eons behind the accepted world-wide median. There are good reasons for this, but they are irrelevant. Suffice it to say that I still depend on dial-up to get my email. So, while Bayesian spam techniques are OK/Good/Fine/Brilliant (or, at least, impressive), they are little use if I still have to pay for the download of spam before I decide their classification. That is: SPAM can be classified as such and discarded for two reasons: A. to avoid having your Inbox cluttered B. to avoid having to pay for the download of the crap It seems to me that the major thrust of the SpamBayes (and similar) initiatives is Reason A. Which is a pity, because I am at least as interested in Reason B. If spam can be so classified by my email service provider, BEFORE I ever get to see it, it woul d be far more useful?.. ?.unless, of course, the algorithm has been too aggressive and discarded an email that was bona fide - a heinous crime in my book. So, how about - for the email service providers, a facility that: A. filters according to Bayesian principles, B. retains spam at the server, either indefinitely until the space runs out or until a per-message expiry date occurs C. alerts the user to a SINGLE message (say once per week) of filtered out stats and summaries The stats could also be analysed. A series of messages from the same source may very well be ham, trying desparately to be accepted (despite the fact that the sender's first name is Nigeria!). This way, I can tweak a white-list to allow certain sources immunity from filtering, even if standard analysis would be definite about spamminess. The retention at the server would mean that I could log on to web-mail access to retrieve messages that I discovered to be ham. On signing off, I'd like to say that I am very appreciative of the efforts being brought to bear on this scourge of the digital age. Yet, I sometimes wonder If there's not some better way (some authentication protocol mechanism, perhaps) to identify spam, other than analysing even personally-trained word frequencies in arriving mail. In 99% of the cases, mail arriving at my inbox is either from a sender I have in my address book, or is in response to an email I have sent myself. This must cover the majority of cases for others too. The remaining 1% must be unwanted or unsolicited and could be handled in more human-oriented ways (so that they cannot be easily be automated) in order that I can decide if they are bona fide or not. (e.g. a message autotically returned to the sender saying that unsolicited mail has been detected and will only be delivered if an answer to a question is given correctly (and the answer is the entry of a character string equivalent to an obfuscated image of the character string). This method requires no knowledge of my interests (which may include stock investments, sexing of chickens, penis dimensions, drug therapies or whatever) or of the style or language of my bona fide correspondents, solicited or otherwise. I understand that the foregoing is a very "personal email" view of the world. If I operated an e-commerce site, I might have a different view, but even then, email could be discarded unless human input had been seen to have been made (a product number, a phrase indicating a query or even the same technique noted above), so automated spam can be discarded. Hoping that the word frequency in this email is such that you will read it? -- ------------------------------------- Stuart Moors Alarm Forest, St.Helena Tel: (00290) 3255 Email: moors at helanta.sh ------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Cable & Wireless St. Helena e-mail security system - powered by McAfee. This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Cable & Wireless St. Helena e-mail security system - powered by McAfee. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(This assumes you're using the Outlook plug-in, which appears to be the case.) ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Steve Lewis Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:27 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Jumk Suspects Hi There. I am new to Spambayes. It has installed OK and seems to be working fine. My question is, what do I do with "Junk Suspects" as I cant seem to find an answer to this? Do I delete them or will Spambayes learn that suspects are real junk? Thanks in advance for your help Regards Steve Lewis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061215/592c75ba/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Fri Dec 15 14:32:06 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:32:06 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Olde Worlde environments In-Reply-To: <000001c71fa9$d6b022b0$0100a8c0@Tufeta> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C2A@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Many if not most ISPs provide filtering services that have at least some of the characteristics you describe. I don't particularly trust my ISP's filtering, and find it a nuisance to check up on it, so I shut it off. But then, I have broadband. If it's really the case that only 1% of the messages you receive are spam, your ISP may very well be filtering your mail. I'd say that on a good day, about half the mail I get is spam; it's often more like 80%. There have been many proposals floated for cutting down on spam, including various sender authentication schemes. Wikipedia has a decent introduction. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_authentication. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Moors Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:01 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Olde Worlde environments Much as I hate to admit it, where I live at the moment is, technologically speaking, several tens of eons behind the accepted world-wide median. There are good reasons for this, but they are irrelevant. Suffice it to say that I still depend on dial-up to get my email. So, while Bayesian spam techniques are OK/Good/Fine/Brilliant (or, at least, impressive), they are little use if I still have to pay for the download of spam before I decide their classification. That is: SPAM can be classified as such and discarded for two reasons: A. to avoid having your Inbox cluttered B. to avoid having to pay for the download of the crap It seems to me that the major thrust of the SpamBayes (and similar) initiatives is Reason A. Which is a pity, because I am at least as interested in Reason B. If spam can be so classified by my email service provider, BEFORE I ever get to see it, it woul d be far more useful..... ....unless, of course, the algorithm has been too aggressive and discarded an email that was bona fide - a heinous crime in my book. So, how about - for the email service providers, a facility that: A. filters according to Bayesian principles, B. retains spam at the server, either indefinitely until the space runs out or until a per-message expiry date occurs C. alerts the user to a SINGLE message (say once per week) of filtered out stats and summaries The stats could also be analysed. A series of messages from the same source may very well be ham, trying desparately to be accepted (despite the fact that the sender's first name is Nigeria!). This way, I can tweak a white-list to allow certain sources immunity from filtering, even if standard analysis would be definite about spamminess. The retention at the server would mean that I could log on to web-mail access to retrieve messages that I discovered to be ham. On signing off, I'd like to say that I am very appreciative of the efforts being brought to bear on this scourge of the digital age. Yet, I sometimes wonder If there's not some better way (some authentication protocol mechanism, perhaps) to identify spam, other than analysing even personally-trained word frequencies in arriving mail. In 99% of the cases, mail arriving at my inbox is either from a sender I have in my address book, or is in response to an email I have sent myself. This must cover the majority of cases for others too. The remaining 1% must be unwanted or unsolicited and could be handled in more human-oriented ways (so that they cannot be easily be automated) in order that I can decide if they are bona fide or not. (e.g. a message autotically returned to the sender saying that unsolicited mail has been detected and will only be delivered if an answer to a question is given correctly (and the answer is the entry of a character string equivalent to an obfuscated image of the character string). This method requires no knowledge of my interests (which may include stock investments, sexing of chickens, penis dimensions, drug therapies or whatever) or of the style or language of my bona fide correspondents, solicited or otherwise. I understand that the foregoing is a very "personal email" view of the world. If I operated an e-commerce site, I might have a different view, but even then, email could be discarded unless human input had been seen to have been made (a product number, a phrase indicating a query or even the same technique noted above), so automated spam can be discarded. Hoping that the word frequency in this email is such that you will read it... -- ------------------------------------- Stuart Moors Alarm Forest, St.Helena Tel: (00290) 3255 Email: moors at helanta.sh ------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. ________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Cable & Wireless St. Helena e-mail security system - powered by McAfee. ________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Cable & Wireless St. Helena e-mail security system - powered by McAfee. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061215/3162a548/attachment.html From jsp at PKC.com Fri Dec 15 17:11:10 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:11:10 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Filters for Entourage on OS X In-Reply-To: <86D4FB08E9943D42A2A15044A8507D9105538F6D@email06.bsu.edu> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C2F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Consider using SpamBayes. A Google search for "spambayes entourage" turns up, among other things, a SpamBayes installer package for OS X (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040219100247493). It appears to be rather dated and may not work with the latest OS release, but if it doesn't, you can still set up SpamBayes. See http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/mac.html and other pages on the SpamBayes site. SpamSieve (http://c-command.com/spamsieve/) also seems to be pretty well regarded. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Brinley, Stephanie J. Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:34 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Filters for Entourage on OS X Hello, I am the local IT gal for a university department. Since computing services doesn't do a very good job with spam filtering, I decided to come up with a better solution for our faculty and staff. That solution was SpamBayes. Unfortunately, one of our individuals uses a Mac with Entourage with an Exchange account. Any suggestions on a good free program that will work this set-up? Thanks so much, Stephanie Brinley Multimedia Specialist Department of Physiology & Health Science Ball State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061215/72a4a38a/attachment.htm From sjbrinley at bsu.edu Fri Dec 15 17:39:41 2006 From: sjbrinley at bsu.edu (Brinley, Stephanie J.) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:39:41 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Filters for Entourage on OS X In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C2F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <86D4FB08E9943D42A2A15044A8507D9105538F76@email06.bsu.edu> Unfortunately, after looking more closely, SpamSieve is only free for 30 days. I am trying to find a totally free program. ________________________________ From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:11 AM To: Brinley, Stephanie J.; spambayes at python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Filters for Entourage on OS X Consider using SpamBayes. A Google search for "spambayes entourage" turns up, among other things, a SpamBayes installer package for OS X (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040219100247493). It appears to be rather dated and may not work with the latest OS release, but if it doesn't, you can still set up SpamBayes. See http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/mac.html and other pages on the SpamBayes site. SpamSieve (http://c-command.com/spamsieve/) also seems to be pretty well regarded. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Brinley, Stephanie J. Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:34 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Filters for Entourage on OS X Hello, I am the local IT gal for a university department. Since computing services doesn't do a very good job with spam filtering, I decided to come up with a better solution for our faculty and staff. That solution was SpamBayes. Unfortunately, one of our individuals uses a Mac with Entourage with an Exchange account. Any suggestions on a good free program that will work this set-up? Thanks so much, Stephanie Brinley Multimedia Specialist Department of Physiology & Health Science Ball State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061215/c9b0c643/attachment.html From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 15 17:49:48 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:49:48 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Olde Worlde environments In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C2A@PKCVT01.pkc.com> References: <000001c71fa9$d6b022b0$0100a8c0@Tufeta> <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C2A@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Message-ID: <17794.53804.463307.270264@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jesse> Many if not most ISPs provide filtering services that have at Jesse> least some of the characteristics you describe. I don't Jesse> particularly trust my ISP's filtering, and find it a nuisance to Jesse> check up on it, so I shut it off. But then, I have broadband. I use Gmail and its spam filters. They catch a ton of spam, but they also have more false positives than I'd like. Still, for Stuart's environment that might be better. Stuart, you'd have to access Gmail (or Yahoo! or MSN or ...) via thei web mail interface and scan for false positives. That might well still be cheaper than downloading all that spam for SpamBayes to filter. Skip From deb at 1stchoiceprop.com Fri Dec 15 15:59:45 2006 From: deb at 1stchoiceprop.com (Deb Lewis) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:59:45 +0100 (Romance Standard Time) Subject: [Spambayes] New Web User Message-ID: <4582B860.000008.02316@DEBORAH> Hello All. I have recently installed Spambayes Web interface and it seems to be filtering my messages. However when the messages appear in my in tray (I am using Incredimail) there is no indication to show me what is spam or not so I have to look at each message in turn. How will Spambayes indicate to me wether a message is spam or not. 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Rebuild the training database. Then you should be able to immediately go to a good email and get the spam clues for the email. Also, you can put a column in your outlook that gives the spam score for each email. If it doesn't show up for certain emails, this is because somehow SpamBayes is not filtering this folder. I suspect you have set your filter parameters improperly. I find that concluding things are junk suspects at 15%, and junk certain at 75% is better. Remember, it is not the goal to minimize the number of emails in the junk suspects folder, it is simply to limit the junk suspects to those emails that SpamBayes really needs to be trained on. Then you train it, and then the volume in the junk suspects folder drops. Setting junk suspects to 45% will put a lot of spam into your inbox. Also, a narrow difference of 45-68 for the junk suspects folder will not properly identify the emails that SpamBayes needs to be trained on. There will be very few emails in junk suspects, but you will be getting good emails in spam certain (68 is a little low for the spam certain folder), and you will be getting lots of spam in your inbox. Peter Bishop -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of tedkilroy Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:46 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes v1.04 Windows Am I missing something, all my ham is ending up in junk email folder not in the junk suspects folder. I set a score of 68 to be known spam and 45 to be placed in the junk suspects folder. I also used the recover from Spam so that SpamBAyes learns but all POP3 internal mail is ending up in the junk email folder instead. Any suggestions wouls be appreciated. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/SpamBayes-v1.04-Windows-tf2816539.html#a7860935 Sent from the Python - spambayes mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From bishop at aeroprise.com Fri Dec 15 19:59:36 2006 From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:59:36 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] New Web User In-Reply-To: <4582B860.000008.02316@DEBORAH> Message-ID: Deb, SpamBayes will need to be trained. 30 messages is really not much training. You should have 3 folders of interest (in Outlook): Inbox, Spam Suspects, and Spam Certain. If you are starting with no training (if you have folders of old emails, then you can train SpamBayes on these folders). SpamBayes gives each email a score that can be displayed (and you can get this displayed - see Viewing and Using the Spam Score Field in SpamBayes->Help->About SpamBayes), but, once it has been trained, SpamBayes will put guaranteed spam into the Spam Certain folder and possible spam into the Spam Suspects folder. If you have started with only 30 trained emails, then you need to check the Spam Certain folder to be sure that what is there is really spam. If not, simply click on Recover from Spam, and it will be moved back into inbox. Also if there is spam in your inbox, then you need to train SpamBayes by clicking on Delete As Spam, which will move it to the Spam Certain folder. The Spam Suspects folder contains the emails that SpamBayes really needs training on. Be sure to process this folder, performing either Delete as Spam or Recover from Spam from this folder. The good email will now be in the Inbox, and the spam will now be in the Spam Certain folder, and you will have provided SpamBayes with some of its needed training. The sophistication of spam these days requires substantial training because there are so many sources using so many different techniques to get through spam filters. SpamBayes will catch all this stuff anyway, even when a new technique is invented, but only if you train it. I love SpamBayes because I never get good email in my Spam Certain folder and now, I am getting very little good email in my Spam Suspects folder. I am receiving email from support at mycompany.com, which is a magnet for spam, so I get a lot of spam, and I don't want any of the good email lost. I had already used Outlook to filter spam, so I have SpamBayes configured as my secondary spam filter. My Outlook Junk E-mail folder has 2364 messages, while my Junk Spam Certain folder has 999 messages since mid-November. I used Outlook spam processing by only declaring the sender to be a spammer, but I had done that for a couple of years before getting disgusted and adding SpamBayes. I now get very little spam in my Inbox (about 10-20% as much as my good email). With the Delete As Spam button so handy, however, it doesn't bother me. Peter Bishop _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Deb Lewis Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 7:00 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] New Web User Hello All. I have recently installed Spambayes Web interface and it seems to be filtering my messages. However when the messages appear in my in tray (I am using Incredimail) there is no indication to show me what is spam or not so I have to look at each message in turn. How will Spambayes indicate to me wether a message is spam or not. I have only "Trained" approx 30 messages so far. Many thanks for your help. Regards Deb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061215/648bccb5/attachment.htm From david.g.jones at lmco.com Fri Dec 15 20:19:21 2006 From: david.g.jones at lmco.com (Jones, David G) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:19:21 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] New Web User Message-ID: <824B13109773064F92372DAB2F3B3C9D10618AB6@emss35m05.us.lmco.com> Deb, I use the Spambayes Outlook plugin and not the POP3 proxy (which I think uses the Web interface) so I'm not an expert, but I think the POP3 proxy has marked the mail either Spam, Ham or Unsure. You need your mail program (Incredimail ?) to put the mail in the correct place (folder) according to how its marked. Spambayes experts, am I correct ? ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Deb Lewis Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:00 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] New Web User Hello All. I have recently installed Spambayes Web interface and it seems to be filtering my messages. However when the messages appear in my in tray (I am using Incredimail) there is no indication to show me what is spam or not so I have to look at each message in turn. How will Spambayes indicate to me wether a message is spam or not. I have only "Trained" approx 30 messages so far. Many thanks for your help. Regards Deb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061215/a60659b2/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Deb, You are training through the web interface and displaying mail in Incredimail. You've selected the right package and it sounds like you are training. The next step is to get your email client to move messages out of your inbox. The Spambayes software sees your messages before the email client, then classifies each message and tags it. If you can see messages in the web interface with classifications, this is already happening. The classifier result is attached to each message either as a visible notation in the message subject or as a not so visible notation by creating a special header. Which you choose depends on the filtering rule capabilities of your email client, and I couldn't tell from Incredimail's online documentation which is appropriate. I believe that you can select between these two options in the web interface, though the online documentation at SourceForge is not visible as I write this so I can't give you specifics on that either :) Once you select the tagging method, you need to write a rule or two in Incredimail to move spam into a spam folder and unsure messages into an unsure folder. -- Seth Goodman From flensr at mindspring.com Sat Dec 16 06:34:23 2006 From: flensr at mindspring.com (flenser) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 14:34:23 +0900 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambays still alive? Message-ID: <001201c720d3$d9837d90$0300a8c0@mercury> Hello, I was curious if spambayes development is still alive. I have been using 1.0.4 since it's release and was looking forward to 1.1, but it looks like it's dead...? Thanks for any information. Sean From amedee at amedee.be Sat Dec 16 10:47:16 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 10:47:16 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambays still alive? In-Reply-To: <001201c720d3$d9837d90$0300a8c0@mercury> References: <001201c720d3$d9837d90$0300a8c0@mercury> Message-ID: <1166262436.12304.3.camel@localhost> Op zaterdag 16-12-2006 om 14:34 uur [tijdzone +0900], schreef flenser: > Hello, > > I was curious if spambayes development is still alive. I have been using > 1.0.4 since it's release and was looking forward to 1.1, but it looks like > it's dead...? As far as I can tell, spambayes is still very alive. I have seen a lot of mail traffic concerning a new version with ocr capabilities. It's currently in beta and I expact the devs woll package it soon. -- Amedee Van Gasse From jpowell at colocougs.org Sat Dec 16 17:52:27 2006 From: jpowell at colocougs.org (JoAnn Powell) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:52:27 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug? Message-ID: <000001c72132$917e3f80$6401a8c0@VALUEDB8142DE8> I've gone through the troubleshooting guide and can't get SpamBayes to appear for users other than the admin in a Win XP/Home machine. There are 4 log files, all of which have the same number of lines. - this is the content of #4: Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 1546, in ? File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 483, in UseCommandLine File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 413, in RegisterClasses File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 282, in RegisterServer File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 32, in _set_string pywintypes.error: (5, 'RegSetValue', 'Access is denied.') Just FYI, here are log files 1 - 3: !: Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? File "boot_com_servers.py", line 62, in DllRegisterServer File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 413, in RegisterClasses File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 282, in RegisterServer File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 32, in _set_string pywintypes.error: (5, 'RegSetValue', 'Access is denied.') 2: Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 1546, in ? File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 483, in UseCommandLine File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 413, in RegisterClasses File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 282, in RegisterServer File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 32, in _set_string pywintypes.error: (5, 'RegSetValue', 'Access is denied.') 3: Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 1546, in ? File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 483, in UseCommandLine File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 413, in RegisterClasses File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 282, in RegisterServer File "win32com\server\register.pyc", line 32, in _set_string pywintypes.error: (5, 'RegSetValue', 'Access is denied.') The program doesn't want to re-install. I'll keep playing with it. It works just fine for the admin user (me) who installed it originally. Thanks. Al Powell Fort Collins, CO apowell at gocougs.wsu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you. _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 From robert at rlweiner.com Mon Dec 18 03:13:03 2006 From: robert at rlweiner.com (Robert Weiner) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:13:03 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Check for new version STILL fails Message-ID: <000001c7224a$0e094000$c7c27940@IBMCE88951B324> The bug report database says this problem was fixed in 2003, but it's not. On OL 2003 under Win XP, when I click "Check for new version" Spambayes says the latest available version is 1.0.4. I just downloaded 1.1.a3! I am connected to the Internet when doing this. Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Skip From zac at mutrux.com Mon Dec 18 07:56:44 2006 From: zac at mutrux.com (Zac Mutrux) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:56:44 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes won't load in OL 2003 Message-ID: <8AFB6B2B-4BE0-47D4-8F78-78FA05424FAE@mutrux.com> I have a user running Outlook 2003. From time to time Spambayes craps out and has to be reinstalled, but this time it won't load no matter what I do. I've uninstalled Spambayes, removed the data files etc, then reinstalled to no good effect. When I check the COM add-ins, Spambayes shows up but the box is unchecked. I check the box, shut down Outlook and restart, but nothing changes. I thought it might be a corrupt Outlook profile, so I tested with a new profile, but no luck. Also ran a Detect and Repair without any changes. Now I'm uninstalling and reinstalling Outlook to see if that does anything. I read the troubleshooting document and looked at the SpamBayes log. It indicates that the add-in has registered successfully and I don't see any errors. It seems kind of short for a log file, only two lines, but maybe SpamBayes just doesn't have a lot to say. I would appreciate any assistance y'all can provide. Thanks, Zac -- Zac Mutrux Consulting Technology guidance, support and management services. 1370 Mission Street, 4th Fl, San Francisco, CA, 94103-2654 Mobile: (415) 359-3781 Fax: (415) 869-3904 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061217/97d06df3/attachment.html From zmutrux at gmail.com Mon Dec 18 08:30:32 2006 From: zmutrux at gmail.com (Zac Mutrux) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 23:30:32 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes won't load in OL 2003 Message-ID: <24ca22740612172330q57ba30c9v8c872408514a4b38@mail.gmail.com> I have a user running Outlook 2003 with Spambayes 1.0.4. Spambayes craps out from time to time and has to be reinstalled, but this time nothing I do will restore the add-in to action. I can see the add-in in the Com Add-ins window, but the box is not checked. I check the box and restart Outlook, but no dice. I've tried reinstalling Spambayes, reinstalling Outlook, removing the Spambayes data folder, creating a new Outlook profile all to no good effect. Any thoughts on how I can get Spambayes to work again? Here are the contents of my latest log file. spambayes.log Registered: Spambayes.OutlookAddin Registration complete. Thanks much for any assistance you can offer. Best regards, Zac -- Zac Mutrux Consulting (415) 359-3781 Note: I use this email address primarily for email newsletters and discussion groups. If you wish to contact me directly, please email zac at mutrux.com. From jsp at PKC.com Mon Dec 18 14:23:11 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:23:11 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Question In-Reply-To: <000001c72127$c513d180$7600a8c0@Dennis> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C37@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Please see http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam -folder. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Knight Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 10:35 AM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Question My Junk E-Mail folder has disappeared - how do I recover it? Thanks, Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061218/0ca4918a/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Moors Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:01 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Olde Worlde environments Much as I hate to admit it, where I live at the moment is, technologically speaking, several tens of eons behind the accepted world-wide median. There are good reasons for this, but they are irrelevant. Suffice it to say that I still depend on dial-up to get my email. So, while Bayesian spam techniques are OK/Good/Fine/Brilliant (or, at least, impressive), they are little use if I still have to pay for the download of spam before I decide their classification. That is: SPAM can be classified as such and discarded for two reasons: A. to avoid having your Inbox cluttered B. to avoid having to pay for the download of the crap It seems to me that the major thrust of the SpamBayes (and similar) initiatives is Reason A. Which is a pity, because I am at least as interested in Reason B. If spam can be so classified by my email service provider, BEFORE I ever get to see it, it woul d be far more useful..... ....unless, of course, the algorithm has been too aggressive and discarded an email that was bona fide - a heinous crime in my book. So, how about - for the email service providers, a facility that: A. filters according to Bayesian principles, B. retains spam at the server, either indefinitely until the space runs out or until a per-message expiry date occurs C. alerts the user to a SINGLE message (say once per week) of filtered out stats and summaries The stats could also be analysed. A series of messages from the same source may very well be ham, trying desparately to be accepted (despite the fact that the sender's first name is Nigeria!). This way, I can tweak a white-list to allow certain sources immunity from filtering, even if standard analysis would be definite about spamminess. The retention at the server would mean that I could log on to web-mail access to retrieve messages that I discovered to be ham. On signing off, I'd like to say that I am very appreciative of the efforts being brought to bear on this scourge of the digital age. Yet, I sometimes wonder If there's not some better way (some authentication protocol mechanism, perhaps) to identify spam, other than analysing even personally-trained word frequencies in arriving mail. In 99% of the cases, mail arriving at my inbox is either from a sender I have in my address book, or is in response to an email I have sent myself. This must cover the majority of cases for others too. The remaining 1% must be unwanted or unsolicited and could be handled in more human-oriented ways (so that they cannot be easily be automated) in order that I can decide if they are bona fide or not. (e.g. a message autotically returned to the sender saying that unsolicited mail has been detected and will only be delivered if an answer to a question is given correctly (and the answer is the entry of a character string equivalent to an obfuscated image of the character string). This method requires no knowledge of my interests (which may include stock investments, sexing of chickens, penis dimensions, drug therapies or whatever) or of the style or language of my bona fide correspondents, solicited or otherwise. I understand that the foregoing is a very "personal email" view of the world. If I operated an e-commerce site, I might have a different view, but even then, email could be discarded unless human input had been seen to have been made (a product number, a phrase indicating a query or even the same technique noted above), so automated spam can be discarded. Hoping that the word frequency in this email is such that you will read it... -- ------------------------------------- Stuart Moors Alarm Forest, St.Helena Tel: (00290) 3255 Email: moors at helanta.sh ------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. _____ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Cable & Wireless St. Helena e-mail security system - powered by McAfee. _____ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Cable & Wireless St. Helena e-mail security system - powered by McAfee. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061218/b567ccb9/attachment.html From amedee at amedee.be Mon Dec 18 17:02:05 2006 From: amedee at amedee.be (Amedee Van Gasse) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:02:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Olde Worlde environments In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5008307E14@SPIKE.city> References: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5008307E14@SPIKE.city> Message-ID: <47843.82.146.101.169.1166457725.squirrel@amedee.be> On Mon, December 18, 2006 16:45, Coe, Bob said: > If you get your mail from a POP3 server, you may be able to configure > your mail client to first download only the message headers. You could > then download the bodies of only the messages that don't look like spam. For the Windoze users: this is how MailWasher works. (also seems to work on Linux but I haven't tried). Contrary to Spambayes, Mailwasher is _not_ Free(libre) software. However it is free(gratis) software. http://www.mailwasher.net/download.php There is also Mailwasher Pro, which is neither free(gratis) nor Free(libre). I find it has 37 reasons not to use it. (MW Pro costs US$37.00) > If you don't want to do that filtering manually, try feeding the headers > to Spambayes. Maybe it'll work well enough to at least cut down on the > spam you have to pay to receive. -- Amedee Van Gasse From steve at bougex.com Mon Dec 18 18:24:18 2006 From: steve at bougex.com (Steve Cote) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:24:18 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Nedd Information Message-ID: Hi, I Download SpamBayes and i cannont install on my Outlook I have Outlook Express 6. After i dowload the program i restard my computer and i open my Otlook and noting. I see the program spamBayes on my computer but noting on my Outlook. Thanks for your help. _____________________________ Steve C?t? Responsable Logistique Enfin l'hiver 2006 9-10 d?cembre 2006 Quais du Vieux-Port de Montr?al Steve at bougex.com 514-704-5889 Nous sommes en recrutement de b?n?voles... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061218/258b1590/attachment.html From jsp at PKC.com Mon Dec 18 19:41:06 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:41:06 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Nedd Information In-Reply-To: <000901c722c9$5a5c5580$6401a8c0@ordinateur> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C3D@PKCVT01.pkc.com> It's not quite that simple, because Outlook Express is not Outlook. Please see http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express and http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-outlook-express. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Steve Cote Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:24 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Nedd Information Hi, I Download SpamBayes and i cannont install on my Outlook I have Outlook Express 6. After i dowload the program i restard my computer and i open my Otlook and noting. I see the program spamBayes on my computer but noting on my Outlook. Thanks for your help. _____________________________ Steve C?t? Responsable Logistique Enfin l'hiver 2006 9-10 d?cembre 2006 Quais du Vieux-Port de Montr?al Steve at bougex.com 514-704-5889 Nous sommes en recrutement de b?n?voles... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061218/48b4d847/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Mon Dec 18 20:09:27 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:09:27 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Nedd Information In-Reply-To: <001d01c722d5$5f8b1f80$6401a8c0@ordinateur> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C3E@PKCVT01.pkc.com> The installer you already have should work for Outlook Express as well as Outlook. The installation process is different, though, as explained in the second link I sent. ________________________________ From: Steve Cote [mailto:steve at bougex.com] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 1:50 PM To: Jesse Pelton Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Nedd Information Do you can send my a direct link for dowload version with Outlook Express ? Excuse my English i speek in french. _____________________________ Steve C?t? Responsable Logistique Enfin l'hiver 2006 9-10 d?cembre 2006 Quais du Vieux-Port de Montr?al Steve at bougex.com 514-704-5889 Nous sommes en recrutement de b?n?voles... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Pelton To: Steve Cote ; spambayes at python.org Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Nedd Information It's not quite that simple, because Outlook Express is not Outlook. Please see http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express and http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-outlook-express. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Steve Cote Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:24 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Nedd Information Hi, I Download SpamBayes and i cannont install on my Outlook I have Outlook Express 6. After i dowload the program i restard my computer and i open my Otlook and noting. I see the program spamBayes on my computer but noting on my Outlook. Thanks for your help. _____________________________ Steve C?t? Responsable Logistique Enfin l'hiver 2006 9-10 d?cembre 2006 Quais du Vieux-Port de Montr?al Steve at bougex.com 514-704-5889 Nous sommes en recrutement de b?n?voles... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061218/e36f5186/attachment.htm From jsp at PKC.com Mon Dec 18 21:23:59 2006 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:23:59 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Nedd Information In-Reply-To: <001e01c722de$c52fd980$6401a8c0@ordinateur> Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F901D04C3F@PKCVT01.pkc.com> I give up. Is there anyone on the list who speaks French and can help Steve out? ________________________________ From: Steve Cote [mailto:steve at bougex.com] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:58 PM To: Jesse Pelton Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Nedd Information hI Thanks I dowload this program How can put a spam on this program. I see little envelop with littel green sparrow on rigth down on my office (with Hour And MSN) On my Outlook Express i dont see anything with my new program ????? _____________________________ Steve C?t? Responsable Logistique Enfin l'hiver 2006 9-10 d?cembre 2006 Quais du Vieux-Port de Montr?al Steve at bougex.com 514-704-5889 Nous sommes en recrutement de b?n?voles... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Pelton To: Steve Cote ; spambayes at python.org Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Nedd Information The installer you already have should work for Outlook Express as well as Outlook. The installation process is different, though, as explained in the second link I sent. ________________________________ From: Steve Cote [mailto:steve at bougex.com] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 1:50 PM To: Jesse Pelton Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Nedd Information Do you can send my a direct link for dowload version with Outlook Express ? Excuse my English i speek in french. _____________________________ Steve C?t? Responsable Logistique Enfin l'hiver 2006 9-10 d?cembre 2006 Quais du Vieux-Port de Montr?al Steve at bougex.com 514-704-5889 Nous sommes en recrutement de b?n?voles... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Pelton To: Steve Cote ; spambayes at python.org Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Nedd Information It's not quite that simple, because Outlook Express is not Outlook. Please see http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express and http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-outlook-express. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Steve Cote Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 12:24 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Nedd Information Hi, I Download SpamBayes and i cannont install on my Outlook I have Outlook Express 6. After i dowload the program i restard my computer and i open my Otlook and noting. I see the program spamBayes on my computer but noting on my Outlook. Thanks for your help. _____________________________ Steve C?t? Responsable Logistique Enfin l'hiver 2006 9-10 d?cembre 2006 Quais du Vieux-Port de Montr?al Steve at bougex.com 514-704-5889 Nous sommes en recrutement de b?n?voles... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061219/68ac209f/attachment.html From sethg at goodmanassociates.com Tue Dec 19 19:57:12 2006 From: sethg at goodmanassociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:57:12 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Olde Worlde environments In-Reply-To: <000001c71fa9$d6b022b0$0100a8c0@Tufeta> Message-ID: SpamBayes for Olde Worlde environments-----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Stuart Moors Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:01 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Olde Worlde environments <...> So, how about - for the email service providers, a facility that: A. filters according to Bayesian principles, The assumption behind all client-side spam filtering is that the communications costs of transferring messages is lower than the cost of filtering them on the server. This is not very practical for a metered dialup account with a lot of spam. Some ISP's perform user-specific Bayesian filtering on the server, so you may be able to get this by changing your email provider, even if you are restricted as to your connectivity provider. B. retains spam at the server, either indefinitely until the space runs out or until a per-message expiry date occurs Because you are using their expensive server facilities instead of the end-user's inexpensive facilities, most providers who operate for profit and do not support themselves with advertising don't care to do this. Dial-up users today are unfortunately stuck with the worst of both worlds: the spam problem enabled by widely available high-speed connections along with slow, expensive communications, making it unappealing to download messages for CPU-intensive filtering in the mail client. As others have pointed out, a webmail approach may be better for dialup users. Unfortunately, anything based on a web browser that serves advertising through a dialup line may not solve your problem. The good part about webmail is that you can look at headers in both ham and spam folders and decide what to download into your local mail client. You can also identify messages that are misclassified, often without viewing the messages. If you can find a browser solution for your local machine that minimizes the ads it downloads, this may be practical for you. Another possibility is to find a webmail provider that you pay for and does not serve any advertising to conserve your bandwidth and minimize your connection time. If you cannot find anything like this, let us know. C. alerts the user to a SINGLE message (say once per week) of filtered out stats and summaries This certainly could be done. -- Seth Goodman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I check the COM add-ins, Spambayes shows up but the box is unchecked. I check the box, shut down Outlook and restart, but nothing changes. I thought it might be a corrupt Outlook profile, so I tested with a new profile, but no luck. Also ran a Detect and Repair without any changes. Now I'm uninstalling and reinstalling Outlook to see if that does anything. I read the troubleshooting document and looked at the SpamBayes log. It indicates that the add-in has registered successfully and I don't see any errors. It seems kind of short for a log file, only two lines, but maybe SpamBayes just doesn't have a lot to say. I would appreciate any assistance y'all can provide. Thanks, Zac -- Zac Mutrux Consulting Technology guidance, support and management services. 1370 Mission Street, 4th Fl, San Francisco, CA, 94103-2654 Mobile: (415) 359-3781 Fax: (415) 869-3904 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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HYPERLINK "http://www.plaxo.com/signature" \nWant a signature like this? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 12/19/2006 1:17 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061220/65031e04/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 345 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061220/65031e04/attachment.gif From greeengrass at hotmail.com Wed Dec 20 19:48:45 2006 From: greeengrass at hotmail.com (george jones) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 13:48:45 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] still no answer- start sb without reboot - os x Message-ID: Hi: I still have not received an answer on this question. In OS X.3.9, how does one restart SpamBayes without rebooting the Mac? (I would need directions to the right folder, /admin/library/spambayes does not seem to be it). Thank you. _________________________________________________________________ Your Hotmail address already works to sign into Windows Live Messenger! Get it now http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview From fevans at globalmedtek.net Wed Dec 20 21:10:45 2006 From: fevans at globalmedtek.net (Frank H. Evans) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:10:45 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Bad Hyperlink AGAIN Message-ID: I do not see an email for a webmaster on the site so - under general information the link troubleshooting.html does not work: If you have a problem, the best way to help make progress is to look for a similar existing bug report and add any useful information you may have, or to open a new bug report if your problem seems to be a new one. Please be sure to go through the troubleshooting.html file that is installed with the plugin Frank H. Evans (818) 307-6807 fevans at globalmedtek.net Suggest changing our email from ..Tech.. to ..Tek... PS Also this hyperlink is non-op: Mark Hammond's pywin32 extensions . Choose the version which corresponds to the version of Python you downloaded. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061220/30f63d99/attachment.htm From fevans at globalmedtek.net Wed Dec 20 21:08:54 2006 From: fevans at globalmedtek.net (Frank H. Evans) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:08:54 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] Bad Hyperlink Message-ID: I do not see an email for a webmaster on the site so - under general information the link troubleshooting.html does not work: If you have a problem, the best way to help make progress is to look for a similar existing bug report and add any useful information you may have, or to open a new bug report if your problem seems to be a new one. Please be sure to go through the troubleshooting.html file that is installed with the plugin Frank H. Evans (818) 307-6807 fevans at globalmedtek.net Suggest changing our email from ..Tech.. to ..Tek... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Skip From darenfr at yahoo.fr Thu Dec 21 15:29:14 2006 From: darenfr at yahoo.fr (darenfr at yahoo.fr) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:29:14 +0100 Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble with spambayes Message-ID: <000001c7250c$63a15060$8601210a@bushnelleurope.intra> Hello, Thanks for this free efficient software. I've begun to install it on the computers on the office where I work but my trouble is that I have an error message when I open Outlook but only with a few computers (picture attached with this email) I have also joined the log. Maybe it could help. Do you have any idea to fix this ? Thank you very much for your help ! Philippe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061221/eb1414ab/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you Skip> post a message or at least the evidence that SpamBayes generated Skip> for one of these messages? Donna> I don't really understand what type of info you are asking for. Donna> The email domain had been accepted as safe and emails from that Donna> domain were going into the Inbox. (~ 2 months) In the last few Donna> days, they are being sent to the Spam Folder. Donna> Does this help? Not really. I don't know which SpamBayes tool you're using. Since your message cam from Exchange I'll assume you use the Outlook plugin for now. It implements a Show Spam Clues function. I'm not sure where it lives (I don't use Outlook), but the output of that should be mailed here. Donna> Donna Walden Donna> Information System Manager Donna> Georgia HAP Administrators, Inc. Donna> 2296 Henderson Mill Road, Suite 306 Donna> Atlanta, GA 30345-2739 Donna> (770)939-3939, ext. 2014 Donna> (770)939-3886 (Fax) Donna> dwalden at ghaca.org Skip From bishop at aeroprise.com Thu Dec 21 19:32:29 2006 From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:32:29 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <17802.52562.588090.976416@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Donna, Remember that SpamBayes is designed to move emails from the Inbox to either a Spam Certain folder or a Possible Spam folder. It's filtering is much more sophisticated than any programmable rule will be, and is based on training it on the spam and the good email. Thus, any system based on safe domains or other easily programmable rule will still allow spam through. SpamBayes can easily be added to any such mechanisms (or else used instead of such mechanisms) to provide substantially better spam filtering than such mechanisms allow. Peter Bishop -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of skip at pobox.com Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:07 AM To: Donna Walden Cc: spambayes at python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] SpamBayes (please keep spambayes at python.org cc'd on responses) Skip> It's virtually impossible to speculate without some data. Can you Skip> post a message or at least the evidence that SpamBayes generated Skip> for one of these messages? Donna> I don't really understand what type of info you are asking for. Donna> The email domain had been accepted as safe and emails from that Donna> domain were going into the Inbox. (~ 2 months) In the last few Donna> days, they are being sent to the Spam Folder. Donna> Does this help? Not really. I don't know which SpamBayes tool you're using. Since your message cam from Exchange I'll assume you use the Outlook plugin for now. It implements a Show Spam Clues function. I'm not sure where it lives (I don't use Outlook), but the output of that should be mailed here. Donna> Donna Walden Donna> Information System Manager Donna> Georgia HAP Administrators, Inc. Donna> 2296 Henderson Mill Road, Suite 306 Donna> Atlanta, GA 30345-2739 Donna> (770)939-3939, ext. 2014 Donna> (770)939-3886 (Fax) Donna> dwalden at ghaca.org Skip From doug at matissenetworks.com Thu Dec 21 21:19:56 2006 From: doug at matissenetworks.com (Doug Stewart) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:19:56 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Tech Question Message-ID: Hello, My "Recover or Not Spam" toolbar button has disappeared. Any idea on how to get it back... When I am in my suspect folder, the button to recover files from the suspect back to mail is not appearing... It used to, so I don't see where the option is to bring it back. Many Thanks, Doug W: 703-243-5507 C: 703-282-2660 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I uninstalled it and reinstalled it, selecting the ~"start server" option at the last screen. Nothing happened. I uninstalled it again and downloaded/installed a fresh copy from your website. Same thing as before. I'm running Windows XP home edition, and use Eudora as my email program (consequently I did *not* check the set up for Outlook option during install). Please give me any help you can. Thanks! Craig Stephan 734-761-7328 From coffent at bigfoot.com Fri Dec 22 17:20:53 2006 From: coffent at bigfoot.com (C Stephan) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:20:53 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes installs but doesn't run - update Message-ID: <20061222162055.B8D371E400D@bag.python.org> I tried downloading and installing version 1.1a3 (rather than 1.0.4). Again, it installed with no problem, and this time the SpamBayes icon appeared in the tray (or whatever it's called). However the moment I hovered the mouse over the icon it disappeared. Double-clicking sb_tray.exe brings it back (though no running program shows in Task Manager), but it's impossible to click on it as it disappears as soon as the mouse reaches it. From Gary at doctorgary.net Fri Dec 22 22:39:20 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:39:20 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank You! Message-ID: <458C0A38.16931.E01E282@Gary.doctorgary.net> It took awhile to get it trained for me but Spambayes is now saving my sanity. I'm getting upwards of 150 spam per day and I only see perhaps 2-3 spam get past the filter per week & some weeks no spam gets past the filter. I never find any ham being misidentified anymore. I am downloading from 4 pop addresses including a web page with an address on it. The spambots know my email alright... I truly thank you! In case of a crash/loss of data, I'd like to archive my spambayes settings & files so I can install them easily again (and to transfer them to a second computer I take with me on the road). Is there a link to instructions on what & how to backup to do this? What a helpful program! Merry Christmas! Gary From Gary at doctorgary.net Fri Dec 22 22:42:55 2006 From: Gary at doctorgary.net (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:42:55 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank You! Message-ID: <458C0B0F.23923.E052C00@Gary.doctorgary.net> I should have added I am using Pegasus for my email program. That might make a difference in the answer. Thanks, Gary > In case of a crash/loss of data, I'd like to archive my spambayes > settings & files so I can install them easily again (and to transfer > them to a second computer I take with me on the road). > > Is there a link to instructions on what & how to backup to do this? > > What a helpful program! > > Merry Christmas! > > Gary From bishop at aeroprise.com Sat Dec 23 01:37:42 2006 From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:37:42 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Tech Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Presumably this is due to the setting of SpamBayes Manager->Filtering. You automatically get Recover from Spam buttons in the Possible Spam folder and the Certain Spam folder. In addition, every folder except the Certain Spam folder has a Delete As Spam button. The Possible Spam folder is the folder you move email to in the Possible Spam section of this filtering screen, and the Certain Spam folder is the folder you move email to in the Certain Spam section. Peter Bishop _____ From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Doug Stewart Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:20 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Tech Question Hello, My "Recover or Not Spam" toolbar button has disappeared. Any idea on how to get it back. When I am in my suspect folder, the button to recover files from the suspect back to mail is not appearing. It used to, so I don't see where the option is to bring it back. Many Thanks, Doug W: 703-243-5507 C: 703-282-2660 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If that's the case, visit the web interface at http://localhost:8880/ click the Configuration page link (http://localhost:8880/config) and scroll down to the Storage Options section. That should tell you where to look for your configuration and database files. I can't be more specific than that because I don't use Windows. You can also let the system find them for you. Use your system's file find popup to search for files with "messageinfo" or "hammie" in their names. Skip From bishop at aeroprise.com Sat Dec 23 01:50:42 2006 From: bishop at aeroprise.com (Peter Bishop) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:50:42 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes won't load in OL 2003 In-Reply-To: <24ca22740612172330q57ba30c9v8c872408514a4b38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I am using SpamBayes 1.0.4 with Outlook 2003, so that is not the problem. Have you trained SpamBayes, and set up SpamBayes Manager->Filtering? This is needed before it starts working. Peter Bishop -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Zac Mutrux Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:31 PM To: spambayes at python.org Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes won't load in OL 2003 I have a user running Outlook 2003 with Spambayes 1.0.4. Spambayes craps out from time to time and has to be reinstalled, but this time nothing I do will restore the add-in to action. I can see the add-in in the Com Add-ins window, but the box is not checked. I check the box and restart Outlook, but no dice. I've tried reinstalling Spambayes, reinstalling Outlook, removing the Spambayes data folder, creating a new Outlook profile all to no good effect. Any thoughts on how I can get Spambayes to work again? Here are the contents of my latest log file. spambayes.log Registered: Spambayes.OutlookAddin Registration complete. Thanks much for any assistance you can offer. Best regards, Zac -- Zac Mutrux Consulting (415) 359-3781 Note: I use this email address primarily for email newsletters and discussion groups. If you wish to contact me directly, please email zac at mutrux.com. _______________________________________________ SpamBayes at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From lmaccarty at echoes.net Sat Dec 23 04:30:23 2006 From: lmaccarty at echoes.net (Lynn MacCarty) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:30:23 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Simple Question Message-ID: <20061223033025.7C65E1D69EF@smtp.echoes.net> I just got a new pc and remember on my old pc that I could click on the spambays bar and select "empty spam folder". I can't seem to find that option in the version I downloaded from you a couple of days ago. Thanks, Lynn lmaccarty at echoes.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You set up stringent standards of evidence that might lead to the approval of safe drugs that actually have benefits to the population. And once they have a drug-induced manic episode, what happens? They go to an emergency room, and at that point they're newly diagnosed. So someone who is on an antidepressant, after a time ends up with an abnormally low level of serotonin receptors in the brain. " But next thing you know, they don't introduce this; and in fact, all of a sudden, the plaintiffs no longer are presenting very damaging evidence to make their case. He just went directly to the Lancet. That's very difficult and it is a little bit discouraging. If it were restructured properly, I think that it could actually provide a great benefit to the public health. For every member of the House of Representatives somebody in their district died because of Vioxx. And they were successful. But he goes on to make the startling claim that these new psychiatric drugs have directly contributed to an alarming new epidemic of drug-induced mental illness. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061223/6122d9b3/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 9186 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061223/6122d9b3/attachment.gif From zac at mutrux.com Sat Dec 23 22:34:16 2006 From: zac at mutrux.com (Zac Mutrux) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:34:16 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes won't load in OL 2003 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6877B936-92B5-4191-9748-F834724B1D92@mutrux.com> Thanks, Peter, for the suggestion. I have had it working on this computer in the past. The problem is that now it won't load at all. No toolbars, and checking the add-ins menu shows the add in is disabled. Zac On Dec 22, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Peter Bishop wrote: > I am using SpamBayes 1.0.4 with Outlook 2003, so that is not the > problem. > Have you trained SpamBayes, and set up SpamBayes Manager- > >Filtering? This > is needed before it starts working. > > Peter Bishop From d.n.mckenzie at sympatico.ca Sun Dec 24 14:38:22 2006 From: d.n.mckenzie at sympatico.ca (dan mckenzie) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 08:38:22 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <000601c72760$c892b530$6502a8c0@NANCY> I have just tried to install spambayes on both of my computers but neither one works. There aren't any tool bars or folders for spam or the unsure spam folder. I have windows xp version in both computers and have tried uninstalling, re-installing and shutting down my computers without any success. I also am running them through a Linksys wrt54g router.Can you be of any help? 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061224/2a57b7ea/attachment.html From kenny.pitt at gmail.com Thu Dec 28 13:33:34 2006 From: kenny.pitt at gmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:33:34 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] SpamBayes In-Reply-To: References: <17802.52562.588090.976416@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <2a052b990612280433h11dbfc77l1a98d082440d6167@mail.gmail.com> On 12/21/06, Peter Bishop wrote: > Remember that SpamBayes is designed to move emails from the Inbox to either > a Spam Certain folder or a Possible Spam folder. It's filtering is much > more sophisticated than any programmable rule will be, and is based on > training it on the spam and the good email. It might also be worth pointing out that SpamBayes does not include a "whitelist" concept of safe senders and safe domains. Using these functions in the Outlook menus will only affect the builtin Outlook spam filter, not SpamBayes. SpamBayes generates "clues" based on the content of each message. As you tell it over time which messages are good and which are spam, it builds a list of which clues are most likely to occur in a good message vs. a spam message. The sender's address and domain are among the clues used, but there are also many other clues that could be stronger than the sender clues. This is what the "Show Spam Clues" information can help us with if you can provide that. -- Kenny Pitt From sandbc500 at comcast.net Fri Dec 29 02:21:20 2006 From: sandbc500 at comcast.net (sandbc500) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:21:20 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes v.1.0.4.: Trying to use as both Outlook Plug-in and service for Outlook Express Message-ID: <000001c72ae7$a86ee3c0$6601a8c0@CAVANAGH> Help! I've read the SpamBayes trouble-shooting guide but I'm still stuck! I'm using WinXP Home and SpamBayes v.1.0.4. I've installed it for use as a plug-in (for MS Outlook) and would like it to work as a service (for my wife's MS Outlook Express client). I see nothing in the documentation that indicates this can't be done. We both log-in using the same account, and my Outlook Plug-in seems to be working correctly. The problem is with Outlook Express. When I configure the server with my POP3 info and save my entries, I get the following error: 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 476, in found_terminator File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 884, in onChangeopts File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 782, in reReadOptions File "sb_server.pyc", line 1007, in _recreateState File "sb_server.pyc", line 1022, in prepare File "sb_server.pyc", line 822, in prepare File "sb_server.pyc", line 889, in createWorkers File "spambayes\Stats.pyc", line 60, in __init__ AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_statistics_start_date' The most recent log file says: Service not available. Using thread. Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying mail.comcast.net:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ Loading database... Loading database... cache A has 0 question(s) and 0 answer(s) cache PTR has 0 question(s) and 0 answer(s) No queries Any help is appreciated. If I can't get it working, I'll report this as a bug. Thanks, SC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061228/31df5fe6/attachment.htm From jkmurdock at cox.net Fri Dec 29 06:18:11 2006 From: jkmurdock at cox.net (Jamie and Kim Murdock) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Images of commercial text with decoy text are mushing my index Message-ID: I am being assaulted by a new sort of spam where the commercial message is contained in an image, and the text of the message is just there as a decoy - it is excerpts of books, articles, etc. Clicking spam on a few dozen of these has made my index confused, and now not only are these continuing to get through, but other obvious spam is getting misclassified. See screenshot here http://members.cox.net/jmurdock1/spamExample.gif How can Spambayes or anything else combat this? Grrr Jamie From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 29 12:31:14 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:31:14 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Images of commercial text with decoy text are mushing my index In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17812.64642.873558.253609@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jamie> I am being assaulted by a new sort of spam where the commercial Jamie> message is contained in an image, and the text of the message is Jamie> just there as a decoy ... The current alpha of SpamBayes has some OCR capability to deal with this. We've yet to make an official release. Mark Hammond was working with it a week or so ago and seemed to think it was working for him on Windows. I developed the new code in a Unix (actually MacOSX) environment, so once Mark is satisfied perhaps we can turn the knobs on an official release. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/ "The hippies and the hipsters did some great stuff in the sixties, but the geeks pulled their weight too." -- Billy Bragg From ztalia at bezeqint.net Fri Dec 29 12:00:46 2006 From: ztalia at bezeqint.net (ztalia) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:00:46 +0200 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes issue Message-ID: <20061229105843.5578FF8139@sa6.bezeqint.net> Hi: After installing the program and I for the first time opened the outlook no wizard was opened and guided me forward the process. It is looks like that it is don't work or did not make any changes in the outlook. What should I do? I already uninstalled and re-installed it again - no change. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061229/039118b5/attachment.htm From Tim.Gaulden at wilsonco.com Fri Dec 29 20:28:46 2006 From: Tim.Gaulden at wilsonco.com (Gaulden, Tim H) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:28:46 -0700 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug [ 725449 ] Addin won't initialize Message-ID: Jerry: I am looking through the Python help gaes and came accross a note from you...from years ago I think....but wondering if you might be able to help me. I need a file, win32all-152.exe but the starship.python website (where the software workbook I am working through tells me to find it) is not around anymore. I have to track down that file to get a scripting environment set-up on my computer (I guess...I'm new to this)....so, if you happen to stil have that file laying around on some corner of the hard drive....would you please email it to me? Thanks! Tim Gaulden Technician WILSON & COMPANY ENGINEERS & ARCHITECTS 2600 The American Rd. SE Suite 100 Rio Rancho, NM 87124 (505) 348-4156 Direct (505) 898-8021 Front Desk (505) 898-8501 Fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061229/7d5c8da8/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Fri Dec 29 21:09:15 2006 From: skip at pobox.com (skip at pobox.com) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:09:15 -0600 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug [ 725449 ] Addin won't initialize In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17813.30187.542907.665097@montanaro.dyndns.org> Tim> I am looking through the Python help gaes and came accross a note Tim> from you...from years ago I think....but wondering if you might be Tim> able to help me. I need a file, win32all-152.exe but the Tim> starship.python website (where the software workbook I am working Tim> through tells me to find it) is not around anymore. I have to Tim> track down that file to get a scripting environment set-up on my Tim> computer (I guess...I'm new to this)....so, if you happen to stil Tim> have that file laying around on some corner of the hard Tim> drive....would you please email it to me? Tim, Assuming what you are after is a working Python environment you don't want version 1.5.2. The current stable release of Python is 2.5.0. Python 1.5.2 was released in April 1999. For more help, drop a note to the Python mailing list: python-list at python.org. -- Skip Montanaro - skip at pobox.com - http://www.mojam.com/ "The hippies and the hipsters did some great stuff in the sixties, but the geeks pulled their weight too." -- Billy Bragg From jvasile at rogers.com Sun Dec 31 16:01:24 2006 From: jvasile at rogers.com (Jackie Vasile) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:01:24 -0500 Subject: [Spambayes] Have lost my junk suspect file Message-ID: Hi, I have lost my junk suspects file ( poof, vanished) This occurred a couple of months ago, but of course this now means that my inbox is filling up with lots of spam that can?t be forwarded on to this file. I have read the troubleshooting guide, but I?m not clever with this sort of stuff and I can? t figure out what to do. If you can spare some of your valuable time to explain in very basic terms what I should do, I?d be eternally grateful. Sincerely yours, Jackie Vasile P.S. Happy New years !! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/610 - Release Date: 12/30/2006 2:59 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061231/97afeb1f/attachment.html From steve at stevecotler.com Sun Dec 31 22:53:20 2006 From: steve at stevecotler.com (Steve Cotler) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:53:20 -0800 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes compatibility Message-ID: Do you have any plans to make a Mac OS X version compatible with Entourage? -- Steve Cotler phone: 707-431-1205 fax: 440-508-1913 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20061231/84e2475e/attachment.htm