From mringer at austin.rr.com  Wed Jun  1 04:33:05 2005
From: mringer at austin.rr.com (michael)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:33:05 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes proxy problems
Message-ID: <009701c56652$3dbb3e80$0700a8c0@superbubba>

I am running Spambayes as a proxy server for netscrap 4.x and for outlook as
a plug in.  Both are in installed in separate directories.  The outlook one
runs fine, the netscrape one is having the following error and I am not
exactly sure how to fix it.  

 

500 Server error

Traceback (most recent call last):

 

  File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 470, in found_terminator

 

  File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 396, in onReview

 

  File "spambayes\Corpus.pyc", line 214, in takeMessage

 

  File "spambayes\FileCorpus.pyc", line 140, in addMessage

 

  File "spambayes\Corpus.pyc", line 134, in addMessage

 

  File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 617, in onAddMessage

 

  File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 627, in train

 

  File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 263, in setId

 

  File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 119, in _getState

 

  File "shelve.pyc", line 118, in __getitem__

 

  File "bsddb\__init__.pyc", line 116, in __getitem__

 

DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database
recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery')

 

 

What in the hell does this mean?

 

Thanks!

 

Michael Ringer

Administrative Manager

Global Credential Evaluators

 <http://www.gcevaluators.com> http://www.gcevaluators.com

http://www.gceus.com <http://www.gceus.com/> 

Global Credential <http://www.naces.org/>  Evaluators, Inc. is a member of
NACESR

512-528-0908

512-528-9293 (FAX)

 

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From goverman at san.rr.com  Wed Jun  1 05:12:35 2005
From: goverman at san.rr.com (Scott Goverman)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:12:35 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Byaes and Outlook Express
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0234@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <000901c56657$c2c18ee0$8400a8c0@govermans>

I checked a handful of the messages that came into my Inbox today.  They all
contain the header "X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure".  They also contain
another header of "X-Spambayes-MailId: 1117582902" (or some similar 10 digit
number).  In the Spambayes configuration, the "notate to:" option is ticked
for "spam" and "unsure", as is the "Classify in subject: header:" section.
I'm not sure what you mean when you ask if messages are being notated.  As I
mentioned above, they do have an X-Spambayes-Classification" header.  Is
this what you mean by notated?

My problem continues to be - I have set up a Message Rule that directs all
incoming mail where the "From" line contains "unsure" to a "Possible Junk"
folder.  But all my mail is still going directly into my Inbox.

Further guidance?

Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
To: <unsure>; "'Scott Goverman'" <goverman at san.rr.com>;
<spambayes at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spam Byaes and Outlook Express


> Yeah, I did all that stuff, including changing my incoming
> server to localhost.  But my incoming e-mail (including this
> one from you) still goes durectly into my regular inbox.  Why
> doesn't it go into my "Possible Junk" folder?

If you look at the raw message (right-click on the message, choose
Properties, then click the Details tab) is there a
X-Spambayes-Classification header?  If so, what is the value?  (it should be
"ham", "spam", or "unsure").  If not, is there a X-Spambayes-Exception
header?  If so, what is the value?

Did you turn on the 'notate to' or 'notate subject' option?  If so, are
messages being notated?

=Tony.Meyer

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From lisa at pmeth.com  Wed Jun  1 14:25:42 2005
From: lisa at pmeth.com (Lisa Catlin)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:25:42 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Buttons
Message-ID: <20050601122548.D814B1E4006@bag.python.org>

Hello,

 

Firstly, I'd like to say SpamBayes is awesome!!  Thanks for making such a
wonderful program available free of charge.

 

I had to reinstall Outlook and now my SpamBayes buttons (Delete as Spam &
Recover from Spam) are gone from the toolbar.  Can you tell me how I to them
back?

 

Thanks!

 

Happy SpamBayes User,

 

Lisa

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From h817 at ms13.url.com.tw  Thu Jun  2 02:08:57 2005
From: h817 at ms13.url.com.tw (Sidney)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:08:57 +0800
Subject: [Spambayes] How to write a plug-in in outlook??
Message-ID: <20050602000918.18322.qmail@alps.url.com.tw>

Dear SpamBayesˇG

I saw a lot of documents. But I didnˇ¦t see how to plug-in in outlook.

I want to know who to write a plug-in in outlook.

Can you help me??

Thanks.

 



 

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From Amir_Katz at bmc.com  Thu Jun  2 09:05:05 2005
From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 02:05:05 -0500 
Subject: [Spambayes] Slightly off-topic - Pocketknife Peek
Message-ID: <F8B9B12641FB6B4FAC761BDEF9D63B0405881207@tlv-ex-01.adprod.bmc.com>

Long time ago, someone in this mailing list has pointed at the Outlook
add-in called "Pocketknife Peek" which lets you open an e-mail message in
Outlook 200x without rendering its HTML or running any attachments. This is
an extremely useful tool to peek into messages that were marked as suspect
by SpamBayes (and to peek into real spam).
 
I also use Thunderbird for some IMAP e-mail accounts and I wonder if there
is a way to do the same in TB.
 
Thanks
 

Amir 

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From xmoht01 at vse.cz  Thu Jun  2 14:05:30 2005
From: xmoht01 at vse.cz (Mohr Tomas)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:05:30 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py error
Message-ID: <web-17526007@vse.cz>

hi,
i use fedora1, spambayes-1.1a1.tar.gz, i have Python 
2.2.3.

the problem:
i launch "sb_imapfilter.py -b" and this is what i get

"""SpamBayes IMAP Filter Version 1.1a1 (April 2005).

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 1204, in ?
     run()
   File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 1105, in run
     stats = Stats.Stats(options, message_db)
   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Stats.py", 
line 60, in __init__
     self.from_date = 
self.messageinfo_db.get_statistics_start_date()
   File 
"/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", 
line 128, in get_statistics_start_date
     if STATS_START_KEY in self.db:
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/shelve.py", line 70, in 
__getitem__
     f = StringIO(self.dict[key])
TypeError: key type must be string"""

when trying localhost:8880 the con is refused.

thanks for any help/feedback.
greetings,
Tomas

From lou at loumorgan.com  Thu Jun  2 23:59:09 2005
From: lou at loumorgan.com (Lou Kohl Morgan)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:59:09 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] spam system is not working
Message-ID: <NEBBKBOOILNPGNMBMNKBEEBBEGAA.lou@loumorgan.com>

Can you please tell me how to access spambayes manager.  My spambayes is not
working as of this morning.  I need help in simple directions, please.
Thanks,  Lou
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From meadlawson at comcast.net  Thu Jun  2 23:58:23 2005
From: meadlawson at comcast.net (Mead Lawson)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:58:23 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Config Help Needed - WinXP & OE
Message-ID: <00ba01c567be$5f0f1bc0$ae153544@Home>

All,

I'm in need of some config help with SB v1.0.4 on a WinXP/Pro machine running Outlook Express v6.00. Installation went smooth and sb_tray.exe is installed and running. Configuration held no surprises, but when I attempt to receive mail from my POP3 service I get the following message:

----------------
Error:
Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this 
include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity. Account:
'meadlawson at comcast.net', Server: 'localhost', Protocol: POP3, Port: 995,
Secure(SSL): Yes, Error Number 0x800CCC0F
----------------
 
I'm retrieving POP3 mail from < mail.comcast.net >. So I set the incoming POP3 server field in OE to < localhost > and entered < mail.comcast.net > into the SB configuration INI file. I also configured SpamBayes with an incoming POP3 server port number of < 995 > which it is in OE.

The "Spambayes Web Interface: Home" page reads as follows:

----------------
POP3 proxy running on 995, proxying to mail.comcast.net:110. 
Active POP3 conversations: 0.
POP3 conversations this session: 2.
Emails classified this session: 0 spam, 0 ham, 0 unsure.
Total emails trained: Spam: 0 Ham: 0
----------------

I changed the configuration to read "POP3 proxy running on 995, proxying to mail.comcast.net:995", but it had no effect.
 
Have I configured OE or SB incorrectly? Are additional readme files available to help me troubleshoot further? TIA for your suggestions.
 
Looking forward to getting it working.



Best,

Mead
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Jun  3 05:08:58 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:08:58 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Config Help Needed - WinXP & OE
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303AA28@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0239@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm in need of some config help with SB v1.0.4 on a 
> WinXP/Pro machine running Outlook Express v6.00. 
> Installation went smooth and sb_tray.exe is installed
> and running. Configuration held no surprises, but when
> I attempt to receive mail from my POP3 service I get
> the following message:
[...]
> Server: 'localhost', Protocol: POP3, Port: 995,
> Secure(SSL): Yes
[...]

The problem here is that you're connecting via SSL, which SpamBayes 1.0.4
doesn't support (1.1 will, at least between the proxy and the server).
There are three possible solutions:

  1.  Don't use SSL (this isn't really a good solution, but it would work).

  2.  Use a tool like stunnel, as described here:
<http://www.engelassociates.net/email.html> (just ignore the Eudora/Gmail
specific stuff).

  3.  The source in CVS supports essentially the same system as in #2, but
without needing stunnel.  You could run from source and it should work
(unfortunately the 1.1a1 sb_server/sb_tray have problems, so using that
isn't really a good idea).  That would mean installing Python
<http://python.org/download>, the pywin32 extensions
<http://pywin32.sf.net>, and checking out a copy of the CVS source
<http://sf.net/projects/spambayes>.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Jun  3 05:11:30 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:11:30 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] spam system is not working
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303AA27@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB023A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Can you please tell me how to access spambayes manager. 
> My spambayes is not working as of this morning.

It would help us if you could be more specific than "not working".  What
happens if you click on the buttons in the toolbar?  Anything?  Nothing?
Does mail still get filtered?

Have a look to see if Outlook has disabled the plug-in: choose "About
Microsoft Outlook" from the "Help" menu and click on the "Disabled Items"
button.  If SpamBayes is listed there, enable it and restart Outlook.

Otherwise, seeing your log file would really help figure out what the
problem is.  The troubleshooting guide explains where to find the log file:

<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/Outloo
k2000/docs/troubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD>

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Jun  3 05:17:49 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:17:49 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Buttons
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303A803@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB023C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I had to reinstall Outlook and now my SpamBayes buttons
> (Delete as Spam & Recover from Spam) are gone from the
> toolbar.  Can you tell me how I to them back?

You probably need to reregister the plug-in.  You can do this by either
re-running the installer (this won't effect your configuration or training
data) or just running the "outlook_addin_register.exe" program in the "bin"
directory in the directory you installed SpamBayes into (possibly C:\Program
Files\SpamBayes).

If that doesn't work, let us know and we can suggest other things.

=Tony.Meyer

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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Jun  3 05:15:39 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:15:39 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] How to write a plug-in in outlook??
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303AA0C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB023B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I want to know who to write a plug-in in outlook.

[Assuming that "who" should be "how".]

Do you know how to program in Python?  If not, start there (download Python
and work through the tutorial).

Are you familiar with the Python win32 extensions?  If not, download them
and look through the demos, which include a simple Outlook plug-in.

Are you familiar with the Outlook COM interface?  If not, read up about it
on Microsoft's MSDN website.

I believe Mark Hammond's book
(<http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pythonwin32/>) includes something about
writing plug-ins.  It would probably be worth getting/reading if you're not
familiar with Python/COM/etc.

=Tony.Meyer

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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Jun  3 05:19:06 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:19:06 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes proxy problems
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303A713@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB023D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[...]
> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error,
> run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run
> recovery')

Please see FAQ 5.2:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#i-get-a-dbrunrecoveryerror-message>

=Tony.Meyer

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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Jun  3 05:20:59 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:20:59 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] training the bayesian filter
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303A78C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB023E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I am working on making a Bayesian filter in Python. Now the
> problem before me is to train the filter, but I am not sure
> how to go about it. 
> Could anyone please tell me, are there any good libraries 
> available in Python which can be used directly for this purpose,
[...]

If you want to have a Bayesian filter in Python but don't want to write the
code yourself, why don't you just use SpamBayes?  You can certainly alter it
in whatever way you want to try various things out.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Jun  3 05:23:38 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:23:38 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Byaes and Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303A727@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB023F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I checked a handful of the messages that came into my Inbox 
> today.  They all contain the header 
> "X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure".

So that means that SpamBayes is working correctly.

> In the Spambayes configuration, 
> the "notate to:" option is ticked for "spam" and "unsure", as 
> is the "Classify in subject: header:" section. I'm not sure 
> what you mean when you ask if messages are being notated.

By ticking those options that means that when mail is classed as unsure (or
spam) the to and subject headers will be modified to include the "unsure"
(or "spam") classification.  If you've got both ticked, then you should
definitely see the "unsure," tag in the subject of incoming mail.

> My problem continues to be - I have set up a Message Rule 
> that directs all incoming mail where the "From" line contains 
> "unsure" to a "Possible Junk" folder.  But all my mail is 
> still going directly into my Inbox.

The message rule should be checking the "To" (or "Subject") header not
"From".  Does it work if you change it to that?

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Jun  3 05:33:20 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:33:20 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py error
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303AA14@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F75E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> i use fedora1, spambayes-1.1a1.tar.gz, i have Python 
> 2.2.3.
> 
> the problem:
> i launch "sb_imapfilter.py -b" and this is what i get
[...]
> TypeError: key type must be string"""
> 
> when trying localhost:8880 the con is refused.

This is a bug (it seems only with Python 2.2, not 2.3 or 2.4).  I've checked
in a fix for CVS.  If you want to patch your local copy, you just have to
change line 128 of spambayes/message.py from:

        if STATS_START_KEY in self.db:

To:

        if self.db.has_key(STATS_START_KEY):

That should solve the problem (it does here).  Thanks for the report!

=Tony.Meyer

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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From info at animante.com  Fri Jun  3 13:45:32 2005
From: info at animante.com (Info animante)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:45:32 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] corrupt database when too much spams
Message-ID: <009401c56831$c09eb580$090313ac@in.animante.com>

Hi guys,

After running SpamBayes 1.1a1 (on Windows XP) for a few weeks without any problems, I suddenly get a database error.
Deleting the database and restarting leads to the same error again, after a while at least.

The problem seems to be that there are more spam-mails in my database than hams.

I can consistently reproduce the following:
- delete the database
- start SpamBayes
- select any mail to be classified as spam (so only classifying one message in an empty database, the contents of the mail to be classified isn't important)
- I get the following error-message listed below

Kind regards,

Johan Claes


Training... 
500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 470, in found_terminator

  File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 559, in onTrain

  File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 409, in RememberTrained

  File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 377, in modified

  File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 181, in store_msg

  File "shelve.pyc", line 130, in __setitem__

  File "bsddb\__init__.pyc", line 218, in __setitem__

DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument')




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From camro at gmx.at  Fri Jun  3 17:24:03 2005
From: camro at gmx.at (camro@gmx.at)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:24:03 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] ham goes not left to
	theoriginalfolder - Outlook2003
In-Reply-To: <012401c561d9$b2cec520$152ea8c0@RCAMEL3>
Message-ID: <20050603152411.046371E4004@bag.python.org>

And it would be very interessting, that we can define a folder where the
HAM-mails will be moved back.
Because:
On imap it is also possible , that a other user ahve filtered for SPAM with
a other tool(client)
Or the server itself runs spamassasin - and he also move mails to
spam-folder, and so on ...
An now  i go to the spam-folder and fly about the spam-mails (on beginning
some checks are not to bad - i think :)
Then i found a ham message and this i will that it moves even to a special
folder back.
So i have no other idea as that we can integrate an option for that and whre
we can choose a folder for it - also.

> 
> Could you add a
>  
>             print "MAPI", folder_id
> 
> line before the first call to self.msgstore.GetFolder() in the
> GetRememberedFolder() method, and a
> 
>                 print "msgdb", self.original_folder
> 
> line before the second call and see what gets printed to the log?
> 
> =Tony.Meyer
I try to install all things for coding - but puh ist a little bit different
to normal c programming which i normal made before .
So this would be a long time that i can halp you ...
Maybe it is possible that you can link a debug version for me, that i can
help you on testing - if you want

Cu camel

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: camel at rocam.com [mailto:camel at rocam.com] 
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2005 12:00
> An: Tony Meyer; spambayes at python.org
> Betreff: AW: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] ham goes not left to 
> theoriginalfolder - Outlook2003
> 
> To add something to the code it's a litte bit to early ...
> I have to install all necc. Things for cvs and reading a lot od stuff
> 
> Cu camel
> 
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz]
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2005 03:10
> > An: camel at rocam.com; spambayes at python.org
> > Betreff: RE: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] ham goes not left to 
> > theoriginalfolder - Outlook2003
> > 
> > > Here the log-part from this action ...
> > [...]
> > > Unable to determine source folder for message 'RE: [Spambayes] 
> > > [spambayes-dev] ham goes not left to the originalfolder -
> > Outlook2003' 
> > > - restoring to Inbox
> > [...]
> > > Or maybe i can olso help - i can programm vis c, vis basic, c 
> > > also.......
> > > But at first i will wait what you are think about the
> > logs....because
> > > i would need a lot of time to feel good in the sources :)
> > 
> > If you were willing to run from source and try a few changes, that 
> > would greatly help.  If you can run from source, then the 
> code we are 
> > interested in is the GetRememberedFolder() method in msgstore.py.
> > 
> > ISTM that to get the function to return None (which will 
> print out the 
> > message that was in your log) without also printing a 
> "Error locating 
> > origin of message" message the
> > GetFolder() method has to return None.  It gets called with 
> either the 
> > folder id from the message, or the folder id from the messageinfo 
> > database.  It would help to know which one it is (I suspect the 
> > latter, and something is going wrong with storing it in the 
> > messageinfo database).
> > 
> > Could you add a
> >  
> >             print "MAPI", folder_id
> > 
> > line before the first call to self.msgstore.GetFolder() in the
> > GetRememberedFolder() method, and a
> > 
> >                 print "msgdb", self.original_folder
> > 
> > line before the second call and see what gets printed to the log?
> > 
> > =Tony.Meyer
> > 
> > --
> > Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your 
> > replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about 
> > SpamBayes.
> > http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html
> > explains this. 
> > 
> > 
> 


From JTFancher at dow.com  Fri Jun  3 18:01:22 2005
From: JTFancher at dow.com (Fancher, Jeff (JT))
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:01:22 -0400 
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes buttons won't work!
Message-ID: <3411B0A0BA06A342B9AC67A0BB7567CA7E5553@USMDLMDOWX008.dow.com>

My filter sorts some emails when it first opens, but then the toolbar will not let me delete others.  I have reloaded software several times.  Ironically, the software worked for several weeks before this started.  I do not believe that any other software has been installed.  Please help!

Jeff

Jeffrey Fancher
Polyurethane Systems
(678) 269-1280


From HerbM at LearnQuick.Com  Sat Jun  4 07:16:54 2005
From: HerbM at LearnQuick.Com (Herb Martin)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 00:16:54 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Macro Security broke SpamBayes-- Bug but
	probably not in SpamBayes
Message-ID: <716A848C09F4@mail.learnquick.com>

Problem:  
========
After changing the Macro security SpamBayes 
no longer functions. 

  Precise symptoms, versions, steps to cause it
  and attempts to correct it are detailed below.

  I read the troubleshooting guide where it suggested:
  "If you also mention that you read this trouble-shooting 
  guide...more likely to get answered!"

Versions:
=========

	Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
	spambayes-1.1a1.exe
	Outlook 2003 (11.6359.6408) SP1

First confession:  I caused it.

Second: All finger pointing here is at Microsoft Outlook
but I think SpamBayes will get blamed and maybe abandoned
by others who don't understand the Microsoft code-signing
rules. (Which is probably about everyone. <grin>)

Third: I LOVE SpamBayes (thanks folks!)

Symptoms:
=========
	1) SpamBayes. after working for years, is
	not classifying spam into Spam or Probable
	Spam folders

	2) Selecting message and pressing "Delete as Spam"
	does nothing except flash the button (no delay as
	if processing, message doesn't move.)

	3) SpamBayes configuration drop-down no longer
	drops down.
    
	4) After changing Macro security, I initially
	received some warning messages about the session
	containing macros -- exact message text is now
	unavailable, likely because I corrected the 
	macro part of the problem -- but there was no 
	specific mention of SpamBayes.


Steps that likely caused it, from the beginning:
=================================================

SpamBayes was working (for years).

Macro security was set to Medium with 
"Trust All installed..." checked:

  Menu->Tools->Macro->Security->Security Level
    Tab>Trusted Publishers 
      CHECKED: 
	"Trust All installed add-ins and templates"
		
I set it to Low and cleared check box (temporarily)
to get an unsigned macro to run as a test.*
SpamBayes was not working shortly afterwards and 
likely quit working at this point -- SpamBayes has 
not worked since.  (No classification/no button response)

*When making those changes I was attempting to 
follow the suggestions in the Outlook VBA editor
Help entitled:
 
"Security Notes for Microsoft Office Solution Developers"

Steps to correct (unsuccessful):
================================
  Restored original settings
  Restarted Outlook multiple times
  Used the Self Signing tool to create a VBA
    local certificate, and signed my VBA code.
	This stopped the macro warning/error each
	time I reloaded Outlook. 
	(This fixed macros issue too.)
  Re-checked all settings to make sure I was
	again at "Medium" and "Trust all installed"
  Re-installed SpamBayes
  Restarted Outlook multiple times

Checked Add-in Manager...
  Menu->Tools->Options->tab Other->Advanced Options:
    Add-in Manager:  SpamBayes does not appear
			(three other add-ins do)
    COM Add-ins: SpamBayes does not appear
      chose ADD & navigated to SpamBayes bin
	  directory and attempted to add: outlook_addin.dll
	  Outlook gives no error but returns to
	  Add-ins available, without displaying SpamBayes.
    **See Below

SpamBayes still appears in Tools->Customize
	-> Tools bars (of course)	 

Reduced Security to Low (with Trust all... CHECKED):
  Restarted Outlook
  **SpamBayes appeared (unchecked) in Add-in Manager:
  Checked and exited Add-In Manager (Ok, Ok,...):
	SpamBayes doesn't' work, back to Add-In Manager:
		SpamBayes is UNCHECKED (again)
		Checked SpamBayes again
  Exited Outlook
	SpamBayes doesn't work -- still unchecked
  
Caveat: When I say "Exited" or "Restarted" Outlook,
I not only exit/restart but also checked with:

 tasklist /Fi "Imagename eq outlook.exe"

 AND/OR

 TaskKill /IM outlook.exe

Again, thanks to anyone who tries to help or even
reads this whole message -- I love SpamBayes and
recommend it frequently.

Herb Martin, MCT, MCSD, MCSE, MVP
HerbM at LearnQuick.Com http://LearnQuick.Com
512 388 7339   -or-   1 800 MCSE PRO
Accelerated MCSE in a Week Seminars


From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Sat Jun  4 22:06:04 2005
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:06:04 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] a clever spammer (or one with a sense of humor)
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAKENBJNAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

Apparently, spammers have been using variations of key spam words to slip
past spam filters for so long that my training database did not have
"Subject: Viagra" as a spam clue.  It has every other variation on that word
imaginable, but not the word itself!  I discovered this when I got a few
spams with a subject lines like "Our Viagra Pharmacy uses only licensed US
medical doctors" that actually scored below my ham threshold.  I have some
friends in the life sciences, so the other subject words are pretty hammy
for me.  I guess some spammer figured out this possible loophole and sent
out a few spam runs using the actual word instead of trying to disguise it.

No problem, I trained on three of them and the rest scored as spam.  I have
to tip my hat to the spammer who realized this opportunity and I find it
pretty amusing.  Perhaps they even had a sense of humor when they did it?  I
mean, they are _not_ going to make sales to people who run Bayesian spam
filters and that's about the only type this could hope to slip through.

It does remind me of that old bit of good advice, "When you have absolutely
no idea what to say, try telling the truth".

--

Seth Goodman


From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Sat Jun  4 22:34:01 2005
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 15:34:01 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Slightly off-topic - Pocketknife Peek
In-Reply-To: <F8B9B12641FB6B4FAC761BDEF9D63B0405881207@tlv-ex-01.adprod.bmc.com>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEENCJNAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

Amir,

Good question, though I'm not sure it is necessary in that mail client.
Active-X is not supported, unless you go out of your way to install a
dangerous extension, and JavaScript does not run by default.  I don't know
if there is anything to prevent the old "image source" web bug trick and
similar junk from running or not (does that require an html POST, I can't
remember).  This is still a very good general question for Thunderbird
security and I wish I had an answer.

--

Seth Goodman


From skip at pobox.com  Sun Jun  5 00:23:51 2005
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:23:51 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] a clever spammer (or one with a sense of humor)
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAKENBJNAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>
References: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAKENBJNAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <17058.10743.599624.396254@montanaro.dyndns.org>


(no SB or Python content...)

    Seth> I have to tip my hat to the spammer who realized this opportunity
    Seth> and I find it pretty amusing.  Perhaps they even had a sense of
    Seth> humor when they did it?  I mean, they are _not_ going to make
    Seth> sales to people who run Bayesian spam filters and that's about the
    Seth> only type this could hope to slip through.

Hey, ya never know!  I work at a trading firm and my desk is mingled in
amongst the traders.  We probably have 20 TVs in the firm tuned to CNBC all
the time.  Unfortunately, for the time being I sit right underneath one.
I'll take the email Viagra spams over the televised Levitra ads any day.  I
hear the same one probably 10-15 times each day: "Are you ready for a strong
lasting experience? ...."

I also love how they've all turned a "negative" side effect into a pitch for
the drug: "Although rare, any erection lasting more than four hours requires
immediate medical attention."

Skip

From louise.gh at verizon.net  Sun Jun  5 05:10:12 2005
From: louise.gh at verizon.net (Louise Hirsch)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:10:12 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
Message-ID: <000a01c5697c$16ac50e0$2f01a8c0@D5MT1961>

I'm running Windows XP, Outlook Express.  I downloaded Spam Bayes, but now what?  The instructions might as well be in Chinese.  I simply can't make heads or tails of anything in there.  Specifically--what do I have to do to get it to work?  Please put it in language that an idiot can comprehend.  I have two doctorates, but neither is in computer science and I am, quite frankly, unable to understand your instructions.  If you ask me which part I don't understand, the answer is:  all of it.  Please give me simple instructions on the order of:
1.  do this.
2.  do that
and so forth.  Your instructions are apparently written in computer tech language and are probably quite comprehensible to you, but leave me totally in the dark, and my mailbox full of spam.  The page entitled: "train on messages" has so much jargon in it that I'm unable to do a single thing with it.  Please help.
thanks,
L. G. Hirsch
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From HerbM at LearnQuick.Com  Mon Jun  6 02:45:38 2005
From: HerbM at LearnQuick.Com (Herb Martin)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:45:38 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Macro Security broke SpamBayes -- SOLUTION
Message-ID: <7ABF165D3D5F@mail.learnquick.com>

SpamBayes was not functioning, apparently disabled.

After sending the following request for help and 
temporarily letting the matter drop until someone
had an idea, I stumbled over the solution by 
accident...

Solution:
=========

Outlook 2003:  Menu HELP->About->Disabled Items(button)

	Re-enable SpamBays etc on the dialog

[Maybe everyone else already knows this but I have been
doing Windows, Office, AND Outlook about as long anyone
and it never occurred to me to enable software in the
"About" -- that should be strictly for version numbers
and other read-only items. ]

Original post follows...thanks.

Problem:  
========
After changing the Macro security SpamBayes no longer functions. 

  Precise symptoms, versions, steps to cause it
  and attempts to correct it are detailed below.

  I read the troubleshooting guide where it suggested:
  "If you also mention that you read this trouble-shooting
  guide...more likely to get answered!"

Versions:
=========

	Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
	spambayes-1.1a1.exe
	Outlook 2003 (11.6359.6408) SP1

First confession:  I caused it.

Second: All finger pointing here is at Microsoft Outlook but I think
SpamBayes will get blamed and maybe abandoned by others who don't understand
the Microsoft code-signing rules. (Which is probably about everyone. <grin>)

Third: I LOVE SpamBayes (thanks folks!)

Symptoms:
=========
	1) SpamBayes. after working for years, is
	not classifying spam into Spam or Probable
	Spam folders

	2) Selecting message and pressing "Delete as Spam"
	does nothing except flash the button (no delay as
	if processing, message doesn't move.)

	3) SpamBayes configuration drop-down no longer
	drops down.
    
	4) After changing Macro security, I initially
	received some warning messages about the session
	containing macros -- exact message text is now
	unavailable, likely because I corrected the 
	macro part of the problem -- but there was no 
	specific mention of SpamBayes.


Steps that likely caused it, from the beginning:
=================================================

SpamBayes was working (for years).

Macro security was set to Medium with
"Trust All installed..." checked:

  Menu->Tools->Macro->Security->Security Level
    Tab>Trusted Publishers 
      CHECKED: 
	"Trust All installed add-ins and templates"
		
I set it to Low and cleared check box (temporarily) to get an unsigned macro
to run as a test.* SpamBayes was not working shortly afterwards and likely
quit working at this point -- SpamBayes has not worked since.  (No
classification/no button response)

*When making those changes I was attempting to follow the suggestions in the
Outlook VBA editor Help entitled:
 
"Security Notes for Microsoft Office Solution Developers"

Steps to correct (unsuccessful):
================================
  Restored original settings
  Restarted Outlook multiple times
  Used the Self Signing tool to create a VBA
    local certificate, and signed my VBA code.
	This stopped the macro warning/error each
	time I reloaded Outlook. 
	(This fixed macros issue too.)
  Re-checked all settings to make sure I was
	again at "Medium" and "Trust all installed"
  Re-installed SpamBayes
  Restarted Outlook multiple times

Checked Add-in Manager...
  Menu->Tools->Options->tab Other->Advanced Options:
    Add-in Manager:  SpamBayes does not appear
			(three other add-ins do)
    COM Add-ins: SpamBayes does not appear
      chose ADD & navigated to SpamBayes bin
	  directory and attempted to add: outlook_addin.dll
	  Outlook gives no error but returns to
	  Add-ins available, without displaying SpamBayes.
    **See Below

SpamBayes still appears in Tools->Customize
	-> Tools bars (of course)	 

Reduced Security to Low (with Trust all... CHECKED):
  Restarted Outlook
  **SpamBayes appeared (unchecked) in Add-in Manager:
  Checked and exited Add-In Manager (Ok, Ok,...):
	SpamBayes doesn't' work, back to Add-In Manager:
		SpamBayes is UNCHECKED (again)
		Checked SpamBayes again
  Exited Outlook
	SpamBayes doesn't work -- still unchecked
  
Caveat: When I say "Exited" or "Restarted" Outlook, I not only exit/restart
but also checked with:

 tasklist /Fi "Imagename eq outlook.exe"

 AND/OR

 TaskKill /IM outlook.exe

Again, thanks to anyone who tries to help or even reads this whole message
-- I love SpamBayes and recommend it frequently.

Herb Martin, MCT, MCSD, MCSE, MVP
HerbM at LearnQuick.Com http://LearnQuick.Com
512 388 7339   -or-   1 800 MCSE PRO
Accelerated MCSE in a Week Seminars

_______________________________________________
Spambayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun  6 07:01:27 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:01:27 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303AEAD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0244@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Please give me simple instructions on the order of:
> 1.  do this.
> 2.  do that
> and so forth.

Please see FAQ 4.12:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-outlook-express
>

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun  6 08:32:34 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:32:34 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes buttons won't work!
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303AD4F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0246@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> My filter sorts some emails when it first opens, but then the 
> toolbar will not let me delete others.

The most likely cause is a dead database (check the log for "DB_RUNRECOVERY"
errors).  If that is the case, then the only solution is to retrain from
scratch (either manually delete the databases, or use the Training tab,
ticking the "Rebuild entire database" box).

If that isn't the case, please send us a copy of your most recent log file
(the troubleshooting guide explains where to find that).

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun  6 08:35:09 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:35:09 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] corrupt database when too much spams
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303ACDA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0247@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> After running SpamBayes 1.1a1 (on Windows XP) for a few
> weeks without any problems, I suddenly get a database error.
[...]

I answered this in the tracker, but for the sake of the archive:

The 1.1a1 sb_server doesn't work well in terms of the messageinfo database.
This is fixed in CVS (and so for 1.1a2 when that gets done).  For the
moment, it's best to use 1.0.4, or source from CVS.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Jun  6 23:55:13 2005
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:55:13 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022CDDB@SPIKE.city>

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
 
                                                                                      - Albert Einstein

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Louise Hirsch
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:10 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work


I'm running Windows XP, Outlook Express.  I downloaded Spam Bayes, but now what?  The instructions might as well be in Chinese.  I simply can't make heads or tails of anything in there.  Specifically--what do I have to do to get it to work?  Please put it in language that an idiot can comprehend.  I have two doctorates, but neither is in computer science and I am, quite frankly, unable to understand your instructions.  If you ask me which part I don't understand, the answer is:  all of it.  Please give me simple instructions on the order of:
1.  do this.
2.  do that
and so forth.  Your instructions are apparently written in computer tech language and are probably quite comprehensible to you, but leave me totally in the dark, and my mailbox full of spam.  The page entitled: "train on messages" has so much jargon in it that I'm unable to do a single thing with it.  Please help.
thanks,
L. G. Hirsch

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From barry at sackinassociates.com  Tue Jun  7 03:37:44 2005
From: barry at sackinassociates.com (Barry@sackinassociates)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:37:44 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] editing the database
Message-ID: <MBEALCAHLJFBDLKEHLMFOELHCNAA.barry@sackinassociates.com>

I think an address from which I get email has been place in the "delete as
spam" category.  How do I remove it to allow receipt?

Thanks!

Barry Sackin, SFNS
B. Sackin & Associates. L.L.C.
4529 Lantern Pl.
Alexandria, VA 22306-1111

703-660-8546
877-536-3324
703-380-4473 (cell)
barry at sackinassociates.com

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun  7 05:19:39 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:19:39 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] editing the database
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B36C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB024C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I think an address from which I get email has been place
> in the "delete as spam" category.  How do I remove it to
> allow receipt?

SpamBayes doesn't (explicitly) use addresses - it analyses the whole email.
If a message is classified incorrectly, what you should do is find it in the
spam (or unsure) folder, select it, and then click the "Recover from spam"
button on the toolbar.

This will move the message back to its original location and perform any
necessary training.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun  7 05:24:32 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:24:32 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B21B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F765@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> That's precisely what I did.  It didn't work.  That's why I 
> e-mailed you.  Please give me credit for some basic intelligence. 

You asked for step by step instructions, so that's what I pointed you
towards.  It was not clear from your message that you had managed to
complete the instructions, but were experiencing a problem.  If you had
given that information (and the error message, as in this message), then you
would have got a different reply.

<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>

> When I followed the instructions,
[...]
> the error message I received said: "The connection to 
> the server has failed. Account: 'incoming.verizon.net', 
> Server: 'localhost', 
> Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 
> 10061, Error Number: 0x800CCC0E"

The most likely cause is that SpamBayes isn't running.  Does the SpamBayes
icon appear in the system tray (collection of icons next to the clock)?  Is
it red or green?  If you double-click it, does the review page open?

If it isn't running (isn't there, is red, or doesn't work), then the log
files will most likely have the explanation.  The troubleshooting guide
explains where to find the log files: a copy is installed with SpamBayes, or
you can use the one online:

<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/window
s/docs/troubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD>

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun  7 05:25:58 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:25:58 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes buttons won't work!
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B1FF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB024E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>>> My filter sorts some emails when it first opens, but then 
>>> the toolbar will not let me delete others.
>> 
>> The most likely cause is a dead database (check the log for 
>> "DB_RUNRECOVERY" errors).  If that is the case, then the only 
>> solution is to retrain from scratch (either manually delete 
>> the databases, or use the Training tab, ticking the "Rebuild 
>> entire database" box).
[...]
> Here is my log.

This is indeed a case of database corruption.  You need to rebuild the
database, as described above.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun  7 06:38:48 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:38:48 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B3B1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F766@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[...]
> let's start with the begining.  "if you are running the 
> source code version."  I don't know if I am or not, and I
> don't know what a source code version is.

The beginning is a link that says "Determine your installation type".  If
you click this, you will be directed to the section that explains how to
determine your installation type (binary or source).  In particular, it
says: "If you downloaded an installer .EXE file, then you are running the
binary version".  So you are running the binary version.

> I followed all the instructions.  I have tried to ask smart 
> questions, and all I'm getting in response from you is insults,
> and I frankly can't understand why. 

I have not insulted you at all.  I am doing my best to help you figure out
what is going wrong, as I do for many other people via the mailing list.
You said that you had already completed the process that I suggested in my
initial email; I pointed out that we need as much information as possible -
particularly about what you've already tried - to quickly solve the problem.
The link to ESR's FAQ for question-asking covers this (in the "be precise"
section: <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise>).

> Why can't you help me?

Because I don't have all the information.  The information I (or anyone
else) needs to figure out what is going wrong is (most likely) in the log
file.  We need to see that log file to figure things out.

> The next thing these instructions say are: "you will need to 
> run sb_server in a command window to get the error messages,
> unless you are running as a service."  As I told you before,
> this might as well be in Chinese. 

Again, this starts with "if you are running the source code version".  If
you were running the source code version, then it would be a reasonable
assumption that you would understand those instructions.  You are not (as
above), so know to skip the rest of the sentence.

> When I run into people who don't understand my field, 
> I try and work with them and help them, not belittle them, or 
> confuse them with jargon.

SpamBayes is an open source project, developed by volunteers in their spare
time.  You are welcome to suggest improvements to the program (including the
wording of documentation), and such contributions are gladly received, and
usually quickly added to the project.  You (or anyone else) are also welcome
to help anyone that asks for help via the mailing list; again, there is no
obligation for *anyone* to do this (as opposed to purchased software, where
such support may be part of the contract).

As many users of the spambayes mailing list (not to mention elsewhere) can
attest, I do not try and belittle anyone.  We also do not try and confuse
anyone with jargon - if you looked at early documentation, you would find it
was much worse.  However, unless someone (with the required skills)
volunteers to improve the documentation, it won't get better.  There's also
continual movement towards making using SpamBayes easier to use/install
(again, one can compare the early alphas to 1.0.4), but that also takes
time, and a lot of volunteer effort.

> There is simply no way I can comprehend these instructions.  i 
> don't know what they mean, or where to go to find any 
> information about them. 

The instructions from the troubleshooting guide in a step-by-step form are:

  1.  Open your Windows temp directory as follows:

    1.1  Open an Explorer window (e.g. press Windows-E).

    1.2.  In the "Address" bar towards the top of the window, type:
"C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Local Settings\Temp" (without the
quotes).  You will need to replace "{username}" with your Windows username.

  2.  In the window, you should be able to find a file called
"SpamBayesServer1.log" (you may not see the ".log", depending on your
settings).  There may be up to four others (all older), named
"SpamBayesServer2.log", "SpamBayesServer3.log", "SpamBayesServer4.log", and
"SpamBayesServer5.log".

  3.  Email this file to the mailing list.  Outlook Express includes
documentation about how to attach files, but the simplest method is to
select the file in the Explorer window, press Control-C, open a new mail
message in Outlook Express, and press Control-V.

[...]
> When I double click on it, I get a screen that says: "There 
> are no untrained messages to display.  Return Home or Check Again."

This tells us that SpamBayes is running, which eliminates one possible cause
for the error you described.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From louise.gh at verizon.net  Tue Jun  7 16:03:58 2005
From: louise.gh at verizon.net (Louise Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:03:58 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F766@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <001101c56b69$bfffaef0$2f01a8c0@D5MT1961>

herewith the log files you requested.
Tony, the only reason I sent the e-mails to you was because I had received 
an e-mail from you.  I'm so sorry you find it necessary to continually 
berate me--all I've done is ask for help, and you send me a file telling me 
how to ask smart questions, implying that I've been asking stupid questions. 
This is my fifth e-mail.  In my very first e-mail I told you that I had 
downloaded spambayes, installed it, followed all the instructions and it 
wasn't working.  You sent me to the faq's, despite the fact that I had 
already told you that I had done that (i.e., followed all instructions.) 
I'm not the sort of person who goes running for help at the first little 
glitch.  I went through all the instructions, troubleshooting guides, etc. 
on SpamBayes, went as far as I could in following the instructions, and the 
program still didn't work.  That was the point at which I asked for help. 
And here we are, five e-mails later, and the best you can come up with is to 
tell me that I ask stupid questions.

I realize you're a volunteer, and that this program is offered free of 
charge, but why can't it be simpler to operate?  If you would like me to 
rewrite the instructions in a format so that people who are not computer 
scientists can read it, I'd be happy to volunteer for that aspect.  I do 
quite a bit of technical writing, translating scientific journals so that 
ordinary people can understand them.  First, however, I'd need to understand 
what the information means in the first place.

And the first rule of business (even if it's free business)--never--ever 
berate the customer, no matter how stupid s/he may be.

I'm hopeful that the info I've sent you will allow for some resolution of 
this problem.

LGH

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
To: "'Louise Hirsch'" <louise.gh at verizon.net>
Cc: <spambayes at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work


[...]
> let's start with the begining.  "if you are running the
> source code version."  I don't know if I am or not, and I
> don't know what a source code version is.

The beginning is a link that says "Determine your installation type".  If
you click this, you will be directed to the section that explains how to
determine your installation type (binary or source).  In particular, it
says: "If you downloaded an installer .EXE file, then you are running the
binary version".  So you are running the binary version.

> I followed all the instructions.  I have tried to ask smart
> questions, and all I'm getting in response from you is insults,
> and I frankly can't understand why.

I have not insulted you at all.  I am doing my best to help you figure out
what is going wrong, as I do for many other people via the mailing list.
You said that you had already completed the process that I suggested in my
initial email; I pointed out that we need as much information as possible -
particularly about what you've already tried - to quickly solve the problem.
The link to ESR's FAQ for question-asking covers this (in the "be precise"
section: <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise>).

> Why can't you help me?

Because I don't have all the information.  The information I (or anyone
else) needs to figure out what is going wrong is (most likely) in the log
file.  We need to see that log file to figure things out.

> The next thing these instructions say are: "you will need to
> run sb_server in a command window to get the error messages,
> unless you are running as a service."  As I told you before,
> this might as well be in Chinese.

Again, this starts with "if you are running the source code version".  If
you were running the source code version, then it would be a reasonable
assumption that you would understand those instructions.  You are not (as
above), so know to skip the rest of the sentence.

> When I run into people who don't understand my field,
> I try and work with them and help them, not belittle them, or
> confuse them with jargon.

SpamBayes is an open source project, developed by volunteers in their spare
time.  You are welcome to suggest improvements to the program (including the
wording of documentation), and such contributions are gladly received, and
usually quickly added to the project.  You (or anyone else) are also welcome
to help anyone that asks for help via the mailing list; again, there is no
obligation for *anyone* to do this (as opposed to purchased software, where
such support may be part of the contract).

As many users of the spambayes mailing list (not to mention elsewhere) can
attest, I do not try and belittle anyone.  We also do not try and confuse
anyone with jargon - if you looked at early documentation, you would find it
was much worse.  However, unless someone (with the required skills)
volunteers to improve the documentation, it won't get better.  There's also
continual movement towards making using SpamBayes easier to use/install
(again, one can compare the early alphas to 1.0.4), but that also takes
time, and a lot of volunteer effort.

> There is simply no way I can comprehend these instructions.  i
> don't know what they mean, or where to go to find any
> information about them.

The instructions from the troubleshooting guide in a step-by-step form are:

  1.  Open your Windows temp directory as follows:

    1.1  Open an Explorer window (e.g. press Windows-E).

    1.2.  In the "Address" bar towards the top of the window, type:
"C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Local Settings\Temp" (without the
quotes).  You will need to replace "{username}" with your Windows username.

  2.  In the window, you should be able to find a file called
"SpamBayesServer1.log" (you may not see the ".log", depending on your
settings).  There may be up to four others (all older), named
"SpamBayesServer2.log", "SpamBayesServer3.log", "SpamBayesServer4.log", and
"SpamBayesServer5.log".

  3.  Email this file to the mailing list.  Outlook Express includes
documentation about how to attach files, but the simplest method is to
select the file in the Explorer window, press Control-C, open a new mail
message in Outlook Express, and press Control-V.

[...]
> When I double click on it, I get a screen that says: "There
> are no untrained messages to display.  Return Home or Check Again."

This tells us that SpamBayes is running, which eliminates one possible cause
for the error you described.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.
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From kd5nwa at cox.net  Tue Jun  7 16:46:20 2005
From: kd5nwa at cox.net (KD5NWA)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:46:20 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
In-Reply-To: <001101c56b69$bfffaef0$2f01a8c0@D5MT1961>
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F766@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<001101c56b69$bfffaef0$2f01a8c0@D5MT1961>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050607093824.01c14200@localhost>

Tony, my condolences, I work in the IT business and it's a constant problem 
that persons get insulted when you ask for more information. They usually 
tell me that "It doesn't work" and expect me to guess what doesn't work.

I suppose the program would be easier to install if you had a hundred extra 
programmers working  on the project, but that not reality.

When I put in this software, I realized two things, it's free, and it's 
cutting edge. If I wanted simple to install then I could buy some program 
that is not as good but looks pretty.

Thank guys for all the hard work you do!

At 09:03 AM 6/7/2005, Louise Hirsch wrote:
>herewith the log files you requested.
>Tony, the only reason I sent the e-mails to you was because I had received 
>an e-mail from you.  I'm so sorry you find it necessary to continually 
>berate me--all I've done is ask for help, and you send me a file telling 
>me how to ask smart questions, implying that I've been asking stupid 
>questions. This is my fifth e-mail.  In my very first e-mail I told you 
>that I had downloaded spambayes, installed it, followed all the 
>instructions and it wasn't working.  You sent me to the faq's, despite the 
>fact that I had already told you that I had done that (i.e., followed all 
>instructions.) I'm not the sort of person who goes running for help at the 
>first little glitch.  I went through all the instructions, troubleshooting 
>guides, etc. on SpamBayes, went as far as I could in following the 
>instructions, and the program still didn't work.  That was the point at 
>which I asked for help. And here we are, five e-mails later, and the best 
>you can come up with is to tell me that I ask stupid questions.
>
>I realize you're a volunteer, and that this program is offered free of 
>charge, but why can't it be simpler to operate?  If you would like me to 
>rewrite the instructions in a format so that people who are not computer 
>scientists can read it, I'd be happy to volunteer for that aspect.  I do 
>quite a bit of technical writing, translating scientific journals so that 
>ordinary people can understand them.  First, however, I'd need to 
>understand what the information means in the first place.
>
>And the first rule of business (even if it's free business)--never--ever 
>berate the customer, no matter how stupid s/he may be.
>
>I'm hopeful that the info I've sent you will allow for some resolution of 
>this problem.
>
>LGH
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
>To: "'Louise Hirsch'" <louise.gh at verizon.net>
>Cc: <spambayes at python.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:38 AM
>Subject: RE: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
>
>
>[...]
>>let's start with the begining.  "if you are running the
>>source code version."  I don't know if I am or not, and I
>>don't know what a source code version is.
>
>The beginning is a link that says "Determine your installation type".  If
>you click this, you will be directed to the section that explains how to
>determine your installation type (binary or source).  In particular, it
>says: "If you downloaded an installer .EXE file, then you are running the
>binary version".  So you are running the binary version.
>
>>I followed all the instructions.  I have tried to ask smart
>>questions, and all I'm getting in response from you is insults,
>>and I frankly can't understand why.
>
>I have not insulted you at all.  I am doing my best to help you figure out
>what is going wrong, as I do for many other people via the mailing list.
>You said that you had already completed the process that I suggested in my
>initial email; I pointed out that we need as much information as possible -
>particularly about what you've already tried - to quickly solve the problem.
>The link to ESR's FAQ for question-asking covers this (in the "be precise"
>section: <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise>).
>
>>Why can't you help me?
>
>Because I don't have all the information.  The information I (or anyone
>else) needs to figure out what is going wrong is (most likely) in the log
>file.  We need to see that log file to figure things out.
>
>>The next thing these instructions say are: "you will need to
>>run sb_server in a command window to get the error messages,
>>unless you are running as a service."  As I told you before,
>>this might as well be in Chinese.
>
>Again, this starts with "if you are running the source code version".  If
>you were running the source code version, then it would be a reasonable
>assumption that you would understand those instructions.  You are not (as
>above), so know to skip the rest of the sentence.
>
>>When I run into people who don't understand my field,
>>I try and work with them and help them, not belittle them, or
>>confuse them with jargon.
>
>SpamBayes is an open source project, developed by volunteers in their spare
>time.  You are welcome to suggest improvements to the program (including the
>wording of documentation), and such contributions are gladly received, and
>usually quickly added to the project.  You (or anyone else) are also welcome
>to help anyone that asks for help via the mailing list; again, there is no
>obligation for *anyone* to do this (as opposed to purchased software, where
>such support may be part of the contract).
>
>As many users of the spambayes mailing list (not to mention elsewhere) can
>attest, I do not try and belittle anyone.  We also do not try and confuse
>anyone with jargon - if you looked at early documentation, you would find it
>was much worse.  However, unless someone (with the required skills)
>volunteers to improve the documentation, it won't get better.  There's also
>continual movement towards making using SpamBayes easier to use/install
>(again, one can compare the early alphas to 1.0.4), but that also takes
>time, and a lot of volunteer effort.
>
>>There is simply no way I can comprehend these instructions.  i
>>don't know what they mean, or where to go to find any
>>information about them.
>
>The instructions from the troubleshooting guide in a step-by-step form are:
>
>  1.  Open your Windows temp directory as follows:
>
>    1.1  Open an Explorer window (e.g. press Windows-E).
>
>    1.2.  In the "Address" bar towards the top of the window, type:
>"C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Local Settings\Temp" (without the
>quotes).  You will need to replace "{username}" with your Windows username.
>
>  2.  In the window, you should be able to find a file called
>"SpamBayesServer1.log" (you may not see the ".log", depending on your
>settings).  There may be up to four others (all older), named
>"SpamBayesServer2.log", "SpamBayesServer3.log", "SpamBayesServer4.log", and
>"SpamBayesServer5.log".
>
>  3.  Email this file to the mailing list.  Outlook Express includes
>documentation about how to attach files, but the simplest method is to
>select the file in the Explorer window, press Control-C, open a new mail
>message in Outlook Express, and press Control-V.
>
>[...]
>>When I double click on it, I get a screen that says: "There
>>are no untrained messages to display.  Return Home or Check Again."
>
>This tells us that SpamBayes is running, which eliminates one possible cause
>for the error you described.
>
>=Tony.Meyer
>
>--
>Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
>(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
>http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.5 - Release Date: 6/7/2005

Cecil Bayona
KD5NWA
www.qrpradio.com

'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you 
with experience.'  



From tim.peters at gmail.com  Tue Jun  7 17:58:00 2005
From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:58:00 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
In-Reply-To: <001101c56b69$bfffaef0$2f01a8c0@D5MT1961>
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F766@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<001101c56b69$bfffaef0$2f01a8c0@D5MT1961>
Message-ID: <1f7befae05060708587d7cd13f@mail.gmail.com>

[Louise Hirsch]
> Tony, the only reason I sent the e-mails to you was because I had received
> an e-mail from you.  I'm so sorry you find it necessary to continually
> berate me

I suppose offense is in the eye of the offended, but what I've seen
here is Tony trying to be helpful and you taking offense.  He's trying
to get more information -- that's all.

>--all I've done is ask for help, and you send me a file telling me
> how to ask smart questions, implying that I've been asking stupid
> questions.

"How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" (the title of Eric Raymond's
essay) isn't about the content of questions, it's about how questions
are _asked_.  No question is "stupid", but it's quite possible to ask
questions in _ways_ such that you'll never get a useful answer.

Now, like it or not, OE is a feeble email client, and Microsoft has
gone out of its way to make it hard to extend.  It's in their interest
to have you buy the full-blown Outlook instead, and OE is missing all
the features (which are in Outlook) that make it possible for third
parties to extend OE pleasantly.  So just know in advance that setting
up this program to work with OE is necessarily harder than it is for
many other email clients.  Patience and a presumption of good will are
highly recommended.

> This is my fifth e-mail.  In my very first e-mail I told you that I had
> downloaded spambayes, installed it, followed all the instructions and it
> wasn't working.

Case in point.  This is your original email:

    I'm running Windows XP, Outlook Express.

That was helpful information.

    I downloaded Spam Bayes,

That too.

    but now what?  The instructions might as well be in Chinese.  I simply can't
    make heads or tails of anything in there.

You didn't say you installed it.  And quite the opposite of saying you
"followed all the instructions", you said you couldn't make any sense
whatsoever out of _any_ of the instructions.  Then you went on to ask
for a complete rewrite of the instructions, without explaining
anything more about what you did, what you saw happen as a result, or
what you expected to happen instead (all basic points covered in
Eric's essay).

Tony doesn't know what you did, or what you tried, or even what you
mean by that it "doesn't work".  He's not telepathic.  You have to
explain your actions, results and expectations clearly enough so that
someone on the other side of the world can deduce every relevant
detail.

> You sent me to the faq's, despite the fact that I had already told you that I
> had done that (i.e., followed all instructions.)

Sorry, I think it's simply unreasonable to expect someone to read "I
simply can't make heads or tails of anything" as "I followed all
instructions".  Specifically which step of the instructions in the FAQ
did you get stuck on?  For example, you didn't get stuck on

    1. Download the latest version of SpamBayes from the download page. 

It's been hard to guess so far whether you got beyond step 2:

    2. Run the installer - you want "sb_server", not the Outlook plug-in. 

Take it step by step, and your problem will get solved.

...
> And here we are, five e-mails later, and the best you can come up with is to
> tell me that I ask stupid questions.

He's not saying that.  He's saying that if you want help (which is
fine!), you need to help those trying to help you.  These are
technical problems, so resolutions depend on knowing details.

> I realize you're a volunteer, and that this program is offered free of
> charge, but why can't it be simpler to operate?

As above, OE is difficult to work with.  You would, for example, have
a much easier time with the full Outlook product.

> If you would like me to rewrite the instructions in a format so that people who
> are not computer scientists can read it, I'd be happy to volunteer for that aspect.

That would be great!  What you get here is the total of what others
contribute, and improving the parts you found too hard is exactly how
progress gets made in a project of this kind.

From louise.gh at verizon.net  Tue Jun  7 18:39:11 2005
From: louise.gh at verizon.net (Louise Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:39:11 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F766@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<001101c56b69$bfffaef0$2f01a8c0@D5MT1961>
	<1f7befae05060708587d7cd13f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007001c56b7f$6f613f70$2f01a8c0@D5MT1961>

Thanks, Tim, I appreciate that OE is tough.  As I said in another e-mail 
(privately) I use Outlook at the office, and have no difficulty with it. 
But the fact is that I use OE at home.  I suppose I could make all this 
simpler by using Outllok here as well, after all, it is installed on my 
computer, but I'm trying to keep things simple.  For my home needs, OE works 
reasonably well.
But here's the thing: much of the instructional/troubleshooting material for 
SpamBayes is written in computer technical language, and for those of us who 
don't understand that language, we're left rather in the dark.  And asking 
smart questions presupposes that one knows what the questions are.  At the 
outset, I stated the OS I was using, and the fact that I was using OE.  You 
said that was good information.  Thenb you countered that I hadn't stated 
that I had installed Spam Bayes.  You're right.  But the reason I couldn't 
get it to work was because I _had_ installed it, and it wasn't working. 
that's how I noticed the problem.  The latest info I have from Tony is that 
Spam Bayes is installed and working.  However, it isn't processing any of my 
e-mails, so it might as well not be there.  He asked me to send him my log 
files and I did so.  (By the way, this time he was helpful--he told me 
exactly where to go to find the log files, so I was able to comply with his 
instructions.  That's the kind of help I need.)  At this point, all I need 
is his feedback on what the log files show so that we can proceed to our 
next step.
One more thing--As most of us do, I use many computer programs both at work 
and at home, and occasionally it happens that we have to have recourse to 
technical support of one sort or another.  I can unequivocally state that 
this is the first time I have ever encountered a situation like this--where 
I keep having to go back and explain that I don't understand, and I keep 
getting refererd back to the same set of instructions that I said I didn't 
understand in the first place, where i have been belittled and told that I 
don't ask smart questions, or anything of the sort of thing I have 
experienced here.  Literally the first time ever.  "you didn't say you 
installed it" is an example.  That's offensive and goes along with "you 
didn't say whether you had your computer turned on or not."  As I said, Tim, 
this is the first time ever.  No one has ever addressed me in the fashion 
that I've experienced here.  The idea is not to trip up or outsmart the 
user, but to help him/her.  At least I think it should be.  So far everyone 
has told me how stupid I am.  I didn't explain the problem.  I didn't follow 
the instructions.   I didn't say I had installed the program.  I didn't ask 
smart questions.  Everything has been about what I didn't do, and nothing 
has been about how to help solve the problem, which obviously must be me, 
because I'm stupid.  But my problem is that I have never been stupid before, 
and I have clearly regressed to a profound level of obtuse stupidity as a 
consequence of trying to use Spam Bayes on Outlook Express.  But in the 
meantime, the program still isn't doing anything, so I would appreciate 
instructions that a stupid person can understand, and not being banged on 
the head every time I make a mistake, which by the way, were mistakes that 
only the initiated apparently know something about.  Since I do quite a bit 
of technical writing, I would be pleased to assist this outfit in 
translating the techno-jargon into plain, everyday English that even we 
stupid people can comprehend.
thanks,

LGH
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Peters" <tim.peters at gmail.com>
To: "Louise Hirsch" <louise.gh at verizon.net>
Cc: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>; <spambayes at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work


[Louise Hirsch]
> Tony, the only reason I sent the e-mails to you was because I had received
> an e-mail from you.  I'm so sorry you find it necessary to continually
> berate me

I suppose offense is in the eye of the offended, but what I've seen
here is Tony trying to be helpful and you taking offense.  He's trying
to get more information -- that's all.

>--all I've done is ask for help, and you send me a file telling me
> how to ask smart questions, implying that I've been asking stupid
> questions.

"How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" (the title of Eric Raymond's
essay) isn't about the content of questions, it's about how questions
are _asked_.  No question is "stupid", but it's quite possible to ask
questions in _ways_ such that you'll never get a useful answer.

Now, like it or not, OE is a feeble email client, and Microsoft has
gone out of its way to make it hard to extend.  It's in their interest
to have you buy the full-blown Outlook instead, and OE is missing all
the features (which are in Outlook) that make it possible for third
parties to extend OE pleasantly.  So just know in advance that setting
up this program to work with OE is necessarily harder than it is for
many other email clients.  Patience and a presumption of good will are
highly recommended.

> This is my fifth e-mail.  In my very first e-mail I told you that I had
> downloaded spambayes, installed it, followed all the instructions and it
> wasn't working.

Case in point.  This is your original email:

    I'm running Windows XP, Outlook Express.

That was helpful information.

    I downloaded Spam Bayes,

That too.

    but now what?  The instructions might as well be in Chinese.  I simply 
can't
    make heads or tails of anything in there.

You didn't say you installed it.  And quite the opposite of saying you
"followed all the instructions", you said you couldn't make any sense
whatsoever out of _any_ of the instructions.  Then you went on to ask
for a complete rewrite of the instructions, without explaining
anything more about what you did, what you saw happen as a result, or
what you expected to happen instead (all basic points covered in
Eric's essay).

Tony doesn't know what you did, or what you tried, or even what you
mean by that it "doesn't work".  He's not telepathic.  You have to
explain your actions, results and expectations clearly enough so that
someone on the other side of the world can deduce every relevant
detail.

> You sent me to the faq's, despite the fact that I had already told you 
> that I
> had done that (i.e., followed all instructions.)

Sorry, I think it's simply unreasonable to expect someone to read "I
simply can't make heads or tails of anything" as "I followed all
instructions".  Specifically which step of the instructions in the FAQ
did you get stuck on?  For example, you didn't get stuck on

    1. Download the latest version of SpamBayes from the download page.

It's been hard to guess so far whether you got beyond step 2:

    2. Run the installer - you want "sb_server", not the Outlook plug-in.

Take it step by step, and your problem will get solved.

...
> And here we are, five e-mails later, and the best you can come up with is 
> to
> tell me that I ask stupid questions.

He's not saying that.  He's saying that if you want help (which is
fine!), you need to help those trying to help you.  These are
technical problems, so resolutions depend on knowing details.

> I realize you're a volunteer, and that this program is offered free of
> charge, but why can't it be simpler to operate?

As above, OE is difficult to work with.  You would, for example, have
a much easier time with the full Outlook product.

> If you would like me to rewrite the instructions in a format so that 
> people who
> are not computer scientists can read it, I'd be happy to volunteer for 
> that aspect.

That would be great!  What you get here is the total of what others
contribute, and improving the parts you found too hard is exactly how
progress gets made in a project of this kind. 


From sdharris at dow.com  Tue Jun  7 19:19:52 2005
From: sdharris at dow.com (Harris, Sheila (SD))
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:19:52 -0500 
Subject: [Spambayes] SPAMBAYES PROBLEMS
Message-ID: <A2E9600238322D40A85291149CCDA75EDFA4AE@USMDLMDOWM191.dow.com>

One of the folks that I support at Dow Chemical called to say that SpamBayes wasn't filtering anymore.  Actually, it might filter one message a day and then not filter any more during the day.  

One of the SpamBayes folks told him the problem was a dead database.    This is the message he received:

The most likely cause is a dead database (check the log for "DB_RUNRECOVERY" errors).  If that is the case, then the only solution is to retrain from scratch (either manually delete the databases, or use the Training tab, ticking the "Rebuild entire database" box).

My question is where is the db_runrecovery log?  How do you get to the place to rebuild the entire database?

HELP!!!!

Sheila Harris                             
Field Sales Systems Support
> % Phone:  770-579-9176 
> % Fax:     770-579-1654
> 
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From raford1112 at adelphia.net  Tue Jun  7 23:18:36 2005
From: raford1112 at adelphia.net (Alan and Renee Ford)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:18:36 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] deleting spam
Message-ID: <000001c56ba6$780517b0$0400a8c0@AlanDesktop>

Hi,
 
I just installed V 1.0.4 on XP home with Outlook XP.  I was using Outlook's
junk sender feature and Norton Anti-spam and very unhappy with both.
 
When I set up my spam folder I noticed that the deleted items folder was not
selectable.  How can I have the identified spam go straight to the deleted
items folder while downloading?
 
Alan Ford
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun  7 23:53:17 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:53:17 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] SPAMBAYES PROBLEMS
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B514@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F767@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> One of the SpamBayes folks told him the problem was a dead
> database.    This is the message he received: 
> The most likely cause is a dead database (check the log for
> "DB_RUNRECOVERY" errors).  If that is the case, then the
> only solution is to retrain from scratch (either manually
> delete the databases, or use the Training tab, ticking the
> "Rebuild entire database" box).
> My question is where is the db_runrecovery log?  How do you
> get to the place to rebuild the entire database? 

There are two possibilities:

  1.  Manually delete the two database files.  These are called
default_bayes_database.db and default_message_database.db and are in the
SpamBayes data directory.  This is in a SpamBayes folder in the Windows
user's "Application Data" directory (e.g. '\Documents and
Settings\{username}\Application Data').  There's a "Show Data Folder" button
on the "Diagnostics" tab of the SpamBayes Manager that will open an Explorer
window to the Data folder.

  2.  The "Training" tab of the SpamBayes Manager lets you perform manual
training of the database (you identify folders with known ham/spam in them).
If you tick the "Rebuild entire database", then this essentially removes the
old database first.  This method can be completed completely within Outlook,
but IIRC you have to identify at least one ham/spam folder to train on.
This is fine if you've got mail to train on, but if you don't, the easiest
thing is to point it at an empty folder.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun  7 23:54:16 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:54:16 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] deleting spam
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B5A0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0259@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> How can I have the identified spam go straight to the deleted
> items folder while downloading?

Please see FAQ 3.11:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#why-can-t-i-set-spam-to-be-moved-to-the-delet
ed-items-folder>

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun  8 00:10:53 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:10:53 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B4B5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F768@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When he said to send him the log files and told me 
> where these were to be found, I did so immediately.  You see, 
> it really isn't all that difficult.  Make the instructions explicit.  

The troubleshooting guide actually is pretty explicit.  It says: "Please
ensure this mail contains: ... any log files."  The auto-reply you should
have received when you first posted to the list also says: "Note that you
need to include a copy of your log files with any message asking for help
with a problem, or we won't have enough information to be able to help you."

It's quite possible that these are not clear (especially the troubleshooting
guide), and we would certainly appreciate any assistance in making them
clearer.  However, the instructions *are* explicit.

> As I previously wrote, they may as well be in Chinese because
> although the words are everyday English, they are fraught with
> meaning and symbolism that is simply beyond me.

FWIW, Google's "define:" is often useful here.  For example:

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+localhost&btnG=Google+Search
&meta=>

(Just to be clear: that is meant as an honest attempt to be helpful, not as
any sort of offensive comment.  I use define: all the time).

> Here's my take on it--you have a circle of computer techies who have 
> developed a very fine program.  However, the discussions take 
> place only amongst people like yourselves, and so ordinary people don't 
> get into it very easily. 

I think you would be surprised.  I've been helping people with SpamBayes for
quite some time now, and the amount of computer experience that users have
varies widely.  As Tim said, certainly Outlook users have it much easier.
But there have been many users of the POP3 proxy (sb_server; the program
you're using) without much computer knowledge, who have managed fine.
Outlook Express users often need more help than others, which is why there
are two FAQ questions specifically for them, that outline the process in
much more detail than the regular instructions (which need to cover *any*
mail program, so can't be specific).

> They're computer geeks who don't understand that not everyone
> else in the world thinks their way." 

Computer geeks or not, if you looked through the archives of this mailing
list, you would find a great number of statements along the lines of "the
documentation needs to be improved" and "we are technical people, and so
need help from others to write instructions in non-technical language".  I
believe everyone here understands that.

This is, IMO, generally the case.  Experts in a given field (computing,
mechanics, ...) are often called upon (by friends and family) to help out
when things go wrong (computer won't start, oil needs changing, ...).  These
experiences teach you a great deal about what 'lay' people generally know
about your field, and what needs to be explained (or glossed over <wink>) in
detail.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun  8 00:18:54 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:18:54 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B4F6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F769@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> "you didn't say you installed it" is an example.  That's offensive
> and goes along with "you didn't say whether you had your computer
> turned on or not."  

I spent some time in my youth <wink> working as a helpdesk technician for an
ISP, in the days when the Internet was just gaining in popularity and so a
great number of people with little computer experience were trying to get
online.  Checking things like that the computer is turned on is not at all a
foolish thing to do, especially when the person you're talking with has
indicated that simple instructions are necessary.

A common point at which OE users have trouble with SpamBayes is in the
"change your mail client to connect to localhost" step.  (Finishing the
installation, essentially).  I would say that this is the most common
request for help from OE users.  Since you didn't say that you had done any
of those steps, it was a reasonable assumption to make that you hadn't, and
were having trouble in the same place as others.

> So far everyone has told me how stupid I am.

Actually, unless it was in private mail, no-one has done that.  People have
tried to explain where the misunderstanding has come from, but no-one has
made any comments about your intelligence.

> Since I do quite a bit of technical writing, I would be pleased to
> assist this outfit in translating the techno-jargon into plain,
> everyday English that even we stupid people can comprehend.

That would be greatly appreciated.  You can send any modified documentation
to the list, or submit it via the sourceforge system at
<http://sf.net/projects/spambayes>. (Sourceforge is somewhat complicated, so
sending to the list would probably be a better idea).  We are, of course,
happy to help with the writing if necessary (explaining parts that are
unclear, etc).

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun  8 00:38:22 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:38:22 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B4A2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F76A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> herewith the log files you requested.
[...]
> Can't connect to pop.verizon.net:110: (7, 'getaddrinfo failed')

What this means is that although OE can connect to SpamBayes, SpamBayes
isn't managing to connect to your mail server.  The "getaddrinfo failed"
error is somewhat unusual, as it indicates that the problem is in converting
the "pop.verizon.net" to it's IP address.

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A%22IP+address%22&btnG=Google+
Search&meta=>

I'm not sure why this would be.  Is "pop.verizon.net" definitely exactly
what was in your OE settings previously?  I don't know anything about
Verizon, but a cursory look at their website indicates that
"incoming.verizon.net" might be the correct address.  (Pinging the two hints
at that, too).

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Aping&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
>

Try changing the SpamBayes settings to use "incoming.verizon.net".  To do
this:

  1.  Right-click on the SpamBayes icon in the tray (next to the clock).

  2.  Select "Configure..." from the pop-up menu.

  3.  In the browser window that opens, the top box should have
"pop.verizon.net" in it at the moment.   Change that to
"incoming.verizon.net" (no quotes).

  4.  Click the "Save" button at the bottom of the page.

  5.  Try using SpamBayes again.

If that doesn't work, then it's possible (although unlikely, since I gather
OE works without SpamBayes) that there's some sort of DNS lookup problem
(DNS lookup does the conversion from (e.g.) incoming.verizon.net to
206.46.232.10).

> Tony, the only reason I sent the e-mails to you was because I 
> had received an e-mail from you. 

I don't really care that you emailed me offlist, although it really is best
(for both of us) if you don't.  My signature (at the bottom of every list
message I send) explains this, ands asks people to send mail to the list
rather than to me.  There's a link to a more detailed explanation that is in
as clear language as possible for those that don't understand the
space-constrained signature.  A large number of people don't do this, though
(I suspect many people ignore signatures), so I'm used to it by now.

> I realize you're a volunteer, and that this program is 
> offered free of charge, but why can't it be simpler to operate?

The simple answer is because making it simpler to operate is difficult and
takes a great deal of time.  There is a nearly completed script that will
automatically configure SpamBayes (basically it does all the steps outlined
in the FAQ) for varous common mail clients.  That's complicated to program,
however, and so far no-one has managed to have the time to finish it off.

As I said previously, SpamBayes is consistently getting easier to install
and use.  It's a incremental process.  It's only at version 1.0, after all!

Somewhat ironically, one of the things that makes this difficult is
answering support mail from this list (and elsewhere).  If I used the time
that I spend helping people here on SpamBayes development, then things would
improve faster.  However, that would mean that many people didn't get any
help in the meantime.  That's why the "how can I help" FAQ says that helping
others on the list (freeing up the developers' time) is very useful.

> And the first rule of business (even if it's free 
> business)--never--ever berate the customer, no matter how
> stupid s/he may be.

To steal from Tim, berating is in the eye of the berated, but AFAIK I never
berated you.  Every reply is in the mailing list archives, too, so it's easy
for people to check.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
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From franieb at bellsouth.net  Wed Jun  8 02:23:06 2005
From: franieb at bellsouth.net (Frances Calhoun Bradley)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:23:06 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamBayes
Message-ID: <001701c56bc0$3e01b7c0$6101a8c0@yourze8cxvr8tt>

I have Windows XP and am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.3.  I'm not a developer or computer tech, so a lot of the language on the SpamBayes home page gets over my head.  I guess I'm asking that you respond to me in less technical terms (lol).  Anyway, I've been training SpamBayes for about one month.  I still get a lot of the German language spams.  Is there a point when SpamBayes will stop all or most spam?  Other than training SpamBayes, is there anything else I can do to ensure no spam gets through?  By the way, I learned of you through  a PC World message board (I think).  

I look forward to your response.  Thank you.

Frances Bradley
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From bob at 1776.com  Wed Jun  8 02:59:50 2005
From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:59:50 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
In-Reply-To: <1f7befae05060708587d7cd13f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C3CB@SPIKE.city>

In her original email she also bragged that she has two doctorates. What that says about the state of the U.S. higher education system is left as an exercise for the reader.

> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Tim Peters
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:58 AM
> To: Louise Hirsch
> Cc: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
> 
> 
> [Louise Hirsch]
> > Tony, the only reason I sent the e-mails to you was because I had received
> > an e-mail from you.  I'm so sorry you find it necessary to continually
> > berate me
> 
> I suppose offense is in the eye of the offended, but what I've seen
> here is Tony trying to be helpful and you taking offense.  He's trying
> to get more information -- that's all.
> 
> >--all I've done is ask for help, and you send me a file telling me
> > how to ask smart questions, implying that I've been asking stupid
> > questions.
> 
> "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" (the title of Eric Raymond's
> essay) isn't about the content of questions, it's about how questions
> are _asked_.  No question is "stupid", but it's quite possible to ask
> questions in _ways_ such that you'll never get a useful answer.
> 
> Now, like it or not, OE is a feeble email client, and Microsoft has
> gone out of its way to make it hard to extend.  It's in their interest
> to have you buy the full-blown Outlook instead, and OE is missing all
> the features (which are in Outlook) that make it possible for third
> parties to extend OE pleasantly.  So just know in advance that setting
> up this program to work with OE is necessarily harder than it is for
> many other email clients.  Patience and a presumption of good will are
> highly recommended.
> 
> > This is my fifth e-mail.  In my very first e-mail I told you that I had
> > downloaded spambayes, installed it, followed all the instructions and it
> > wasn't working.
> 
> Case in point.  This is your original email:
> 
>     I'm running Windows XP, Outlook Express.
> 
> That was helpful information.
> 
>     I downloaded Spam Bayes,
> 
> That too.
> 
>     but now what?  The instructions might as well be in Chinese.  I simply can't
>     make heads or tails of anything in there.
> 
> You didn't say you installed it.  And quite the opposite of saying you
> "followed all the instructions", you said you couldn't make any sense
> whatsoever out of _any_ of the instructions.  Then you went on to ask
> for a complete rewrite of the instructions, without explaining
> anything more about what you did, what you saw happen as a result, or
> what you expected to happen instead (all basic points covered in
> Eric's essay).
> 
> Tony doesn't know what you did, or what you tried, or even what you
> mean by that it "doesn't work".  He's not telepathic.  You have to
> explain your actions, results and expectations clearly enough so that
> someone on the other side of the world can deduce every relevant
> detail.
> 
> > You sent me to the faq's, despite the fact that I had already told you that I
> > had done that (i.e., followed all instructions.)
> 
> Sorry, I think it's simply unreasonable to expect someone to read "I
> simply can't make heads or tails of anything" as "I followed all
> instructions".  Specifically which step of the instructions in the FAQ
> did you get stuck on?  For example, you didn't get stuck on
> 
>     1. Download the latest version of SpamBayes from the download page. 
> 
> It's been hard to guess so far whether you got beyond step 2:
> 
>     2. Run the installer - you want "sb_server", not the Outlook plug-in. 
> 
> Take it step by step, and your problem will get solved.
> 
> ...
> > And here we are, five e-mails later, and the best you can come up with is to
> > tell me that I ask stupid questions.
> 
> He's not saying that.  He's saying that if you want help (which is
> fine!), you need to help those trying to help you.  These are
> technical problems, so resolutions depend on knowing details.
> 
> > I realize you're a volunteer, and that this program is offered free of
> > charge, but why can't it be simpler to operate?
> 
> As above, OE is difficult to work with.  You would, for example, have
> a much easier time with the full Outlook product.
> 
> > If you would like me to rewrite the instructions in a format so that people who
> > are not computer scientists can read it, I'd be happy to volunteer for that aspect.
> 
> That would be great!  What you get here is the total of what others
> contribute, and improving the parts you found too hard is exactly how
> progress gets made in a project of this kind.


From HerbM at LearnQuick.Com  Wed Jun  8 05:39:18 2005
From: HerbM at LearnQuick.Com (Herb Martin)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:39:18 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamBayes (finding your SpamBayes log,
	checking your diagnostics, ...)
In-Reply-To: <001701c56bc0$3e01b7c0$6101a8c0@yourze8cxvr8tt>
Message-ID: <85AAF4100349@mail.learnquick.com>

<< I have Windows XP and am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.3.  I'm
not a developer or computer tech, so a lot of the language on the SpamBayes
home page gets over my head.  I guess I'm asking that you respond to me in
less technical terms (lol).  Anyway, I've been training SpamBayes for about
one month.  I still get a lot of the German language spams.  Is there a
point when SpamBayes will stop all or most spam?  Other than training
SpamBayes, is there anything else I can do to ensure no spam gets through?
By the way, I learned of you through  a PC World message board (I think).
>>
 
[This is my first time trying to help so if I get it wrong
expect a correction from one of the true SpamBayes
experts... ]
 
Those experts really want to see your "Log" when you
post a question because it may give them info that will
directly lead to a solution....it should be in your temp
directory which may be in any of several places...
 
The log is probably easiest to find if you can use the
Outlook version SpamBayes Manager (on menu) :
 
    SpamBayes->SpamBayes Manager->Advanced (tab)
        -> Diagnostics(button)->View Log(button).
 
 
But if it is broken or you use the Server version with Outlook
Express etc., as you do, then it is easiest to use the Command 
Prompt:
 
    Start->Run-> type:  cmd<enter>
 
Then:
 
    cd  /d  %temp%
 
[The /d is important if you have more than one drive
since it changes both DRIVE and directory.]
 
Then do:
 
    dir  SpamBayes*.log
 
[There might be a lot of junk/tempfile in this directory
so you don't want to have to wade through dozens or
hundreds of files.]
 
If you now wish to start an EXPLORER window to work
in a Graphical fashion you may now type:
 
    start   .
 
[That's a DOT '.' on the end which means 'startup an
Exploer in THIS directory' -- it really is difficult to tell
you how to find the "temp" directory without using 
the command line so even if you love Explorer this
may be the best method... but then you will have
to hunt through the dozens or hundreds of files in 
the Temp directory. ]
 
Or you can just type this from the command prompt:
 
notepad  SpamBayes1.log
notepad  SpamBayes2.log
notepad  SpamBayesServer.log
 
[Just for the SpamBayes Log files you actually have on
you system.]
 
Once you have the log in a Notepad you can cut and
paste it to your email message when you ask for help.
 
Finally, what I know about your issue -- SpamBayes
works best if you train it consistently on a LOT of messages
which is more critical than "how long" in terms of pure
time.
 
For those using the Server version of SpamBayes, as you
are, can check by using a web browser but the easiest is
to use the SpamBayes tool tray icon.
 
On my Home->Configuration page it show my settings are
.2 for Ham and .9 for Spam with .2-.9 being "possibles" but
uncertain.  I haven't changed these defaults since I primarily
use the "Outlook SpamBayes version".
 
Those using the Outlook version can use the menu added
to the toolbard to adjust their settings: in the Menu
SpamBayes->SpamBayes Manager->Filtering(tab).
The lower you make the threshold the more SpamBayes
will send to the Spam or Possible Spam folders....
 
In the General-tab you can see the number of messages
in both Good (Ham) and Spam -- mine is about 20,000
messages each and I have my thresholds set to what
I believe is very low (2=Possible 4=Spam).
 
But note that these numbers are NOT using the same
system in the Pop Server version as the Outlook version
uses.
 
If you catch to much as Spam raise the Spam number,
if you catch to much in Possible Spam then raise that.
Even if SpamBayes puts an item incorrectly into Possible
then it is usually much easier to find and fix that.

Always TRAIN the message out of the Possible or Spam
folders -- then you know for sure that SpamBayes finds
out it is a Good Message (Ham) -- although SpamBayes is
supposed to KNOW that you just moved it, there is a 
check box to disable this feature so I like to be certain.
 
If you have any Spam/Ham collections you can further train
SpamBayes against a folder -- but make reasonably
sure you have no spam in those you train as Ham and no
Ham (Good) messages you train as Spam.  
 
Also note, you really want to train again collections
that show a MIX of good messages, on different subjects
and contexts that interest you.  
 
For instance, my wife follows several Crafts lists which
she keeps carefully sort by subject (Knitting, Crochet,
etc.) -- it works much better to train a 100 messages on
each subject time 10 subject than to train 1000 messages
on one subject.
 
You want SpamBayes to KNOW the widest variety and
largest quantify of CERTAIN good mail you can find
on you machine.  Conversely you want SpamBayes to
have as much knowledge of YOUR OPINION of Spam.
 
I have found that much of the time when SpamBayes
makes what might be called a "mistake" that SpamBayes
is actually correct -- I didn't want to read that message
anyway <grin>
 
This happens especially with lists that get Spammed;
a cursory scan of my Spam directory might spot a 
message from a list I read regularly and a naive 
decision would be to expect this is a mistake by
SpamBayes -- much of the time it turns out to be
SPAM to that list.
 
Frequently SpamBayes knows more about what is
Spam (to me) than I do myself.  <grin>

Herb Martin, MCT, MCSD, MCSE, MVP
HerbM at LearnQuick.Com http://LearnQuick.Com <http://learnquick.com/> 
512 388 7339   -or-   1 800 MCSE PRO
Accelerated MCSE in a Week Seminars 

 



  _____  

From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Frances Calhoun Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 7:23 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamBayes


I have Windows XP and am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.3.  I'm not
a developer or computer tech, so a lot of the language on the SpamBayes home
page gets over my head.  I guess I'm asking that you respond to me in less
technical terms (lol).  Anyway, I've been training SpamBayes for about one
month.  I still get a lot of the German language spams.  Is there a point
when SpamBayes will stop all or most spam?  Other than training SpamBayes,
is there anything else I can do to ensure no spam gets through?  By the way,
I learned of you through  a PC World message board (I think).  
 
I look forward to your response.  Thank you.
 
Frances Bradley

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun  8 07:49:51 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:49:51 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B612@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0264@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[In addition to Herb's response]

> I still get a lot of the German language spams.  Is there
> a point when SpamBayes will stop all or most spam? 

It's impossible to say - spam is ever-changing, so it seems unlikely to be
"all".  "most" depends on your definition of "most" <wink>.

> Other than training SpamBayes, is there anything else I can
> do to ensure no spam gets through?

Well, there's training and then there's training.  The wiki
<http://entrian.com/sb_wiki/TrainingIdeas> has more about that (although
some of it is pretty technical).

If you like, you can send a copy of the 'spam clues'* to the list for a
message that you're unsure about what it scored what it did, and we can try
and explain.  Without the clues, it really is imossible to say (since
everyone has different training data).

* In Outlook, you get the clues by selecting the message and choosing "Show
spam clues for this message" from the SpamBayes menu.  With sb_server, you
click the "Clues" link in the review page.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun  8 07:52:05 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:52:05 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Outlook Express - cont'd
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303B620@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0265@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have now encountered a new problem - I can't connect to my server 
> using the localhost to send and receive mail.  When I try to 
> send and receive, I get the following error message:
> ----------------------------
> 
> The server responded with an error. Account: 'pop-server.san.rr.com',
> Server: 'localhost', Protocol: POP3, Server Response: '220 
> ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com ESMTP Welcome to Road Runner.  
> WARNING: *** FOR AUTHORIZED USE ONLY! ***', Port: 110, 
> Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90, Error Number: 0x800CCC90

It looks like you've set SpamBayes to connect to port 25 at
pop-server.san.rr.com (SMTP - outgoing mail) rather than port 110.

In the SpamBayes configuration page, you should have "pop-server.san.rr.com"
(no quotes) in the top box and "110" (no quotes) in the second box.  Is that
what you have?

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun  8 07:58:55 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:58:55 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!!
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80303AA1F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0266@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I tried to open the configuration page you sent to 
> me and was unable to do so. The page said it was not 
> available or I could adjust the browser setting. I have no 
> idea how to do that. Do you have any ideas?

Perhaps SpamBayes isn't running?  Is there a little icon that looks like an
envelope with a green arrow on it in the collection of icons on the bottom
right next to the clock?

If there isn't, try going to the Start menu, then All Programs (or Program
Files) and see if there is a "SpamBayes" item there.  If there is, you
should be able to click the "SpamBayes Tray Icon" option inside of there,
and that will start it up - then try the instructions I have last time.  If
there isn't a "SpamBayes" option, then it looks like the installer didn't
run correctly.  Try running it again - are there any error messages?

If the little envelope icon is there, then your log file would give us the
best idea about what is going wrong.  To find the log file:

  1.  Open an Explorer window (e.g. by pressing Windows-E)

  2.  In the "Address" bar towards the top type (no quotes): "C:\Documents
and Settings\" and press return.

  3.  The window should now show a folder for each user of the computer.
Double-click the one that you are logged in as.

  4.  In the "Address" bar towards the top, after what is already there,
type (no quotes): "Local Settings\Temp" and press return.

  5.  There will probably be a lot of files in here.  Try and find one named
"SpamBayesServer1.log" or "SpamBayesServer1".  If you do, click it, and
choose "Copy" from the "Edit" menu.

  6.  In your mail program, send a new message to the list and choose
"Paste" from the "Edit" menu to include the log file as an attachment.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From iancawley at wanadoo.fr  Wed Jun  8 22:02:45 2005
From: iancawley at wanadoo.fr (iancawley)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:02:45 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Bouncing...
Message-ID: <000001c56c65$09d46ba0$dbe9c153@FIREFOX>

Hi Guys.

Been using for about a year - and it works happily.

Fank you.

 

More recently had mail with cool bg's; thought I'd try 'em - comes from
Incredimail.com

And I'll keep it in the background for use as & when.

 

However, they have a very similar program to yours, integrated into their
user interface.

 

What they do and it would appear that yours don't, is offer to bounce the
crap back to whosoever.!

 

I thought this was pretty cool - any chances that you might include this in
you new model.???

 

I'll pay some.

 

Kind Regards

Ian Cawley

 

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From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Wed Jun  8 23:42:14 2005
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:42:14 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Bouncing...
Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022CDE2@SPIKE.city>

That's been brought up several times, and it's dealt with in the Spambayes FAQ. The consensus seems to be that it's a bad idea - adds to network traffic, and most origin addresses are forged anyway. So the poor sap who gets the bounce messages isn't the spammer who sent out the crap. (I've been that poor sap on several occasions, so I see their point.)

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of iancawley
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:03 PM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Bouncing...



Hi Guys...

Been using for about a year - and it works happily...

Fank you...

 

More recently had mail with cool bg's; thought I'd try 'em - comes from Incredimail.com

And I'll keep it in the background for use as & when...

 

However, they have a very similar program to yours, integrated into their user interface...

 

What they do and it would appear that yours don't, is offer to bounce the crap back to whosoever...!

 

I thought this was pretty cool - any chances that you might include this in you new model...???

 

I'll pay some...

 

Kind Regards

Ian Cawley

 

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From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Thu Jun  9 01:07:37 2005
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:07:37 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Bouncing...
In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022CDE2@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAGEBJJOAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

That's exactly right.  Sending unsolicited mail to innocent third parties
makes you a spammer.  With the rampant use by spammers of trojaned Windows
boxes on broadband networks that do not restrict outgoing port 25 access, it
is virtually impossible to determine in an automated way the true source of
the message.  In many cases, it is impossible even by skilled sysadmins.
The actual sender is only acting as a remote controlled proxy for the
spammer, and there may not be any trace left in the message of the identity
of the spammer.

Even if you could determine the true origin of a particular piece of spam,
creating a fake "bounce" after your incoming MX has accepted the message is
a very bad practice and will not accomplish anything.  Messages can only be
bounced by bona-fide mail receiving systems (MTA's), not end-user mail
clients (MUA's).  Bounces use special provisions of the SMTP protocol that
only an MTA can do.  It will be obvious at the receiving end of the "bounce"
that it is a forgery by an end-user MUA, not a real bounce from an MTA.
Such a forged bounce will be simply ignored, and is actually proof that the
spam was delivered.  If anything, you have just confirmed that your address
is live and you did receive the spam.
--

Seth Goodman


  -----Original Message-----
  From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On
Behalf Of Coe, Bob
  Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 4:42 PM
  To: iancawley
  Cc: spambayes at python.org
  Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Bouncing...


  That's been brought up several times, and it's dealt with in the Spambayes
FAQ. The consensus seems to be that it's a bad idea - adds to network
traffic, and most origin addresses are forged anyway. So the poor sap who
gets the bounce messages isn't the spammer who sent out the crap. (I've been
that poor sap on several occasions, so I see their point.)
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From Howard.Brazee at cusys.edu  Thu Jun  9 16:24:04 2005
From: Howard.Brazee at cusys.edu (Howard Brazee)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:24:04 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Reading Outlook messages full screen
Message-ID: <B2C07D32B51803419F7538DDD93FF1B9049D82B8@ex2k.ad.cusys.edu>

When I get to work in the morning, I open Outlook 2003 and double click
on my first unread e-mail of the day.  This opens up that message full
screen.   I go through messages from here, only going to my Outlook
split screen when Outlook forces me to do so when I forward a message,
or when I have to do so to mark a message as spam.

Is there a way to have the Spambayes choices on this screen as well as
their normal screen?

From rhomboid at globalmegahypernet.com  Thu Jun  9 21:07:22 2005
From: rhomboid at globalmegahypernet.com (Rhomboid)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:07:22 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Not all spam marked as read with "mark spam as read"
	enabled (Outlook/Exchange)
Message-ID: <42A8936A.6010007@globalmegahypernet.com>

I've got a few users using the Outlook plugin 1.0.4 on Outlook 2003 
(11.6359.6360 SP1) with Exchange 2003 SP1 on Windows Server 2003 SP1. 
Around the time the Server 2003 SP1 patch was installed, messages moved 
into their Certain Spam folder (Inbox\Junk E-mail in all cases) 
sometimes are not marked as read even though the "Mark spam as read" box 
is checked. It's a few messages here and there, not all.

I'm not referring to the message count next to the folder name, this is 
actually when you go into the folder and look at the message list pane.

From jslater at pcmsi.com  Thu Jun  9 21:17:25 2005
From: jslater at pcmsi.com (Jeffrey A. Slater)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:17:25 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] trouble shooting still stuck
Message-ID: <NDBBKNMNLHBFHHDJOIHLOEBIGNAD.jslater@pcmsi.com>

All of a sudden when an item gets moved into "Junk Suspects"  the recover
from spam icon in the tool bar no longer exists.  I can recover from spam if
it gets sent directly to Junk Email.

I'm running WinXP/SP2
Outlook 2000

Thanks!




From tmarchand at adt.com  Fri Jun 10 01:15:17 2005
From: tmarchand at adt.com (Marchand, Tom)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:15:17 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Training Data from Rev. .3 to Rev. .4
Message-ID: <B82C13D61B83A846AD1DC83A433E15052A963B@mailjax03.adt.com>

I want to use the training data from my current .3 version on my new .4
version.  Where do I find it and how to I move it between revs?  I am a
Windows XP/Outlook user.

 

Thanks, Tom.

 

Thomas R. Marchand

Manager, Commercial Sales

Eastern Pa.

Tyco Fire and Security

ADT Security Services

6330 Hedgewood Dr.

Suite 220 

Allentown, Pa. 18106

Phone 610-366-3654

Fax 610-366-3662

<mailto:tmarchand at adt.com>  

 

 

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From custom at soundofpraise.com  Fri Jun 10 12:49:52 2005
From: custom at soundofpraise.com (Doll)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:49:52 -0000
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows XP + Office XP = $80.
Message-ID: <6507192441.830058201@nat-goc.aster.pl>

All main products from Microsoft, Adobe, Macromedia, Corel, etc.
http://cfrplhr.ryvouqrkoj9y6ar.scombronebf.com




I still live.          
You have to believe that the universe will provide.    



From jsp at PKC.com  Fri Jun 10 14:10:27 2005
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:10:27 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Training Data from Rev. .3 to Rev. .4
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15503@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

I think that if you upgrade, your existing training data will be used by
the new version. I believe this is the case even if you uninstall the
old version before installing the new one. Have you upgraded and found
this not to be true?


________________________________

	From: spambayes-bounces at python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Marchand, Tom
	Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:15 PM
	To: spambayes at python.org
	Subject: [Spambayes] Training Data from Rev. .3 to Rev. .4
	
	

	I want to use the training data from my current .3 version on my
new .4 version.  Where do I find it and how to I move it between revs?
I am a Windows XP/Outlook user.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] TK NOTICE: Ebay Member Services
Message-ID: <200506100956.j5A9tvwf000014@server.spectranet.ca>

Dear eBay Member, 
 
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Section 9 of the Ebay User agreement states that we may suspend or cancel a users trading privileges if the account contains: 
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Please confirm that your registration details are correct by logging on to eBay and confirming your details. .
 
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From rcoleman at criticalmagic.com  Fri Jun 10 17:45:44 2005
From: rcoleman at criticalmagic.com (Richard Coleman)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:45:44 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Looking for code to modify spambayes for 5-gram
	tokenization
Message-ID: <42A9B5A8.9080607@criticalmagic.com>

I'm looking to modify spambayes to use 5-grams rather than 
split-on-whitespace.  We have a few Asian customers and the default 
spambayes setup has not been very effective for them.  So, we want to 
test with 5-grams and see if we can improve the effectiveness.

I know that n-grams have been tested several times before.  So, if 
anyone has a n-gram tokenizer that they can share, I would appreciate a 
copy.  Otherwise, I'll dive in and write it myself.

Thanks.

Richard Coleman
rcoleman at criticalmagic.com

From peter.goldstein at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 10 18:53:31 2005
From: peter.goldstein at earthlink.net (Peter Goldstein)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:53:31 -0600
Subject: [Spambayes] Audible mail notification
Message-ID: <42A9C58B.3030004@earthlink.net>

Suddenly, I just get a beep rather than the playing of the .wav file I 
have assigned for new mail notification.  I have followed all of the 
instructions in Outlook to set up the audible notification, but suspect 
the problem is somehow related to Spambayes as e-mail arriving through 
Mozilla does not pass through the Spambayes filter and does play the 
appropriate .wav file.  Any suggestion?

Peter


From tim.peters at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 23:39:17 2005
From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:39:17 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Looking for code to modify spambayes for 5-gram
	tokenization
In-Reply-To: <42A9B5A8.9080607@criticalmagic.com>
References: <42A9B5A8.9080607@criticalmagic.com>
Message-ID: <1f7befae05061014394f583ca9@mail.gmail.com>

[Richard Coleman]
> I'm looking to modify spambayes to use 5-grams rather than
> split-on-whitespace.  We have a few Asian customers and the default
> spambayes setup has not been very effective for them.  So, we want to
> test with 5-grams and see if we can improve the effectiveness.
>
> I know that n-grams have been tested several times before.  So, if
> anyone has a n-gram tokenizer that they can share, I would appreciate a
> copy.  Otherwise, I'll dive in and write it myself.

I doubt anyone has still-working code for character N-grams.  It was
tested in the very early stages of this project, because (a) it was
clear that split-on-whitespace wouldn't work worth spit for many Asian
languages; and, (b) it was a prejudice of mine that character N-grams
would do well on European languages too.  Alas, test results said #b
wasn't true, and character N-grams create problems of their own: 
large increase in database size, cross-token correlation exaggerations
if overlapping N-grams are used, and mysteriousness of results. 
There's a largish comment block in tokenizer.py expanding on those.

That said, tokenizing for character N-grams is dead easy.  If `text`
is a string containing the message you want to tokenize,

A. Overlapping N-grams:

    for i in xrange(len(text)-N+1):
        yield text[i:i+N]

B. Non-overlapping N-grams:

    for i in xrange(0, len(text)-N+1, N):
        yield text[i:i+N]

For some time we did generate character 5-grams for "long" words
containing "high-bit" characters, but dropped that.  This was mostly
aiming at a cheap way for non-Asian users to recognize Asian spam, but
we found cheaper ways to do that (carried to an extreme by the
`replace_nonascii_chars` option, which is very effective for English
users without Asian ham).

I expect that effective spam identification for Asian languages would
require mostly replacing tokenizer.py, and a different database
strategy too.

From jtk at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 11 21:04:06 2005
From: jtk at yahoo.com (Jeff Kowalczyk)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] MSOffice plugin templates from Spambayes - Google
	Summer of Code?
Message-ID: <pan.2005.06.11.19.04.05.811785@yahoo.com>

I don't know how much more time there is to apply for the Google Summer of
Code program, but I think a great GSOC project could be found in the
Spambayes codebase, for an interested programmer.

The Spambayes packaging, installer, integration, pretty much every aspect
of the project - is highly impressive. It would be a real boon if there
were skeleton code projects/templates for writing generic Microsoft Office
plugins. Ideally, you'd copy the boilerplate code into a new directory,
set some configuration variables, and have a functioning 'hello, world'
plugin for the selected Office application. Developers would add their own
functionality with minimal attention to Office Plugin boilerplate,
concentrating instead on programming to the Office Object Model.

If the templates were a success, perhaps the spambayes developers would
sync up own their boilerplate code with these templates, and fold further
refinements back into the templates.

I recently encountered some legacy VBA code to groom certain data fields
in Outlook. The challenging string manipulations would have been trivial
in python, so I elected to leave the cozy confines of the VBA IDE. the
After following several useful ASPN recipes for interacting with Outlook
via python scripting, I have been completely convinced of the advantages
of leaving VBA behind in almost every situation. These Python templates
would allow a large number of developers to make improvements to legacy
Office Automation code, and increase Python exposure in the process.

Best of luck (and many thanks) if someone with the necessary skill and
time elects to take up the idea.


From walexander at cladsys.com  Sat Jun 11 22:23:05 2005
From: walexander at cladsys.com (William Alexander)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:23:05 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] deleted spam not deleting from server
Message-ID: <NHBBIMMPKGJOOOCDNKBDMECECIAA.walexander@cladsys.com>

I installed spambyes last week. I am running windows 98, outlook 2000. I
check office e mail from home. In my properties I have checked off to leave
messages on server however to delete them from server when deleted from
deleted items. that is not occuring. they are remaining on the server. any
help with this?

Bill Alexander
walexander at cladsys.com
Cladding Systems, Inc.
4302 Henderson Blvd. Ste 102
Tampa, FL 33629
ph: 813-250-0786
fx: 813-250-1286



From eric.silver at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun 12 05:18:27 2005
From: eric.silver at sbcglobal.net (Eric A. Silver)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:18:27 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes]  can't get spam bayes to work
Message-ID: <40B35E09-466D-459A-A570-BBA32D01FC70@sbcglobal.net>

Hi, Tony,



I've been reading over this thread, and here's what I can ascertain:   
The writer obviously uses a computer routinely, but isn't very savvy  
about the lingo, nor is she particularly proficient technologically,  
so she probably (obviously) didn't know how to ask the questions in  
the correct way.  I gather from reading her e-mails that she's been  
pinged on by a few of our list members.  Not very nice of them.   
However, let's review the bidding:

despite her obvious lack of knowledge in the field, she did manage to  
install SpamBayes for OE correctly, and when you directed her  
attention to various aspects of the program (FAQ's, etc.) it turned  
out that she had, in fact read everything and done it correctly.  so  
she qualifies as a pretty good user, despite her not having asked her  
questions in the right way.  When you asked for her log files--and  
told her where they were, she managed to find them and sent them to you.

Now here's what I've come up with.  Verizon is one of the major  
players here in the U.S.  and checking with a few friends who use it,  
it appears that when you set up the incoming mail account, the user  
inputs incoming.verizon.net.  However, as you correctly noted on your  
response to her, it shows up as pop.verizon.net.  That's just the way  
program operates, and nothing should be made of it.  I'm sure she has  
her OE settings set up as incoming.verizon.net.  I could e-mail her  
to confirm this but I don't think it would be necessary.

The big thing here is that you told her was the following: "there's  
some sort of DNS lookup problem (DNS lookup does the conversion from  
(e.g.) incoming.verizon.net to

206.46.232.10)."  Now we all gather from reading her e-mails that  
she's not very computer literate.  That being the case, I'm not  
certain what she could gather from your above statement.  I'm sure  
she doesn't know what a DNS lookup problem is, or for that matter,  
what 206.46.232.10 is either.  What she needs to do is to configure  
SPAMBAYES to work on her computer.  You told her that she has a DNS  
lookup problem, but you didn't tell her what to do about it.  I think  
that information, in specific, easy to follow instructions would be  
more helpful.  And it could easily bring this thread to a close.  The  
fact that we haven't heard from her in response to your last e-mail  
several days ago tells me that she's probably given up in  
exasperation.  She asked for help, admitted that she doesn't know  
very much about computers, (at least the technical details beyond  
using the program she has), and you gave her technical info about a  
DNS problem without providing anything close to a solution.  Does a  
solution exist?  Can she use OE with SPAMBAYES--and most importantly-- 
what would it take for her to make that happen?

Of course, if I were advising her, I'd tell her to use Outlook, a far  
better program than the braindamaged OE, and one where installing  
SpamBayes is a piece of cake!  I don't know why anybody would want to  
use OE, but that's another story entirely.

Just my 2c worth.  Please don't flame me--let's just see if we can  
help this person out by giving specific, concrete advice that that an  
obvious and admitted rank amateur can understand.

Eric
Eric A. Silver


 > herewith the log files you requested.

[...]
 > Can't connect to pop.verizon.net:110: (7, 'getaddrinfo failed')

What this means is that although OE can connect to SpamBayes, SpamBayes
isn't managing to connect to your mail server.  The "getaddrinfo failed"
error is somewhat unusual, as it indicates that the problem is in  
converting
the "pop.verizon.net" to it's IP address.

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A%22IP+address% 
22&btnG=Google+
Search&meta=>

I'm not sure why this would be.  Is "pop.verizon.net" definitely exactly
what was in your OE settings previously?  I don't know anything about
Verizon, but a cursory look at their website indicates that
"incoming.verizon.net" might be the correct address.  (Pinging the  
two hints
at that, too).

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Aping&btnG=Google 
+Search&meta=
 >

Try changing the SpamBayes settings to use "incoming.verizon.net".   
To do
this:

   1.  Right-click on the SpamBayes icon in the tray (next to the  
clock).

   2.  Select "Configure..." from the pop-up menu.

   3.  In the browser window that opens, the top box should have
"pop.verizon.net" in it at the moment.   Change that to
"incoming.verizon.net" (no quotes).

   4.  Click the "Save" button at the bottom of the page.

   5.  Try using SpamBayes again.

If that doesn't work, then it's possible (although unlikely, since I  
gather
OE works without SpamBayes) that there's some sort of DNS lookup problem
(DNS lookup does the conversion from (e.g.) incoming.verizon.net to
206.46.232.10).

 > Tony, the only reason I sent the e-mails to you was because I
 > had received an e-mail from you.

I don't really care that you emailed me offlist, although it really  
is best
(for both of us) if you don't.  My signature (at the bottom of every  
list
message I send) explains this, ands asks people to send mail to the list
rather than to me.  There's a link to a more detailed explanation  
that is in
as clear language as possible for those that don't understand the
space-constrained signature.  A large number of people don't do this,  
though
(I suspect many people ignore signatures), so I'm used to it by now.

 > I realize you're a volunteer, and that this program is
 > offered free of charge, but why can't it be simpler to operate?

The simple answer is because making it simpler to operate is  
difficult and
takes a great deal of time.  There is a nearly completed script that  
will
automatically configure SpamBayes (basically it does all the steps  
outlined
in the FAQ) for varous common mail clients.  That's complicated to  
program,
however, and so far no-one has managed to have the time to finish it  
off.

As I said previously, SpamBayes is consistently getting easier to  
install
and use.  It's a incremental process.  It's only at version 1.0,  
after all!

Somewhat ironically, one of the things that makes this difficult is
answering support mail from this list (and elsewhere).  If I used the  
time
that I spend helping people here on SpamBayes development, then  
things would
improve faster.  However, that would mean that many people didn't get  
any
help in the meantime.  That's why the "how can I help" FAQ says that  
helping
others on the list (freeing up the developers' time) is very useful.

 > And the first rule of business (even if it's free
 > business)--never--ever berate the customer, no matter how
 > stupid s/he may be.

To steal from Tim, berating is in the eye of the berated, but AFAIK I  
never
berated you.  Every reply is in the mailing list archives, too, so  
it's easy
for people to check.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 05:14:05 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:14:05 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Looking for code to modify spambayes for
	5-gramtokenization
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193AC7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB026F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm looking to modify spambayes to use 5-grams rather than 
> split-on-whitespace.  We have a few Asian customers and the default 
> spambayes setup has not been very effective for them.  So, we want to 
> test with 5-grams and see if we can improve the effectiveness.

You might want to look at (fi you haven't already):

[ 824651 ] Multibyte (CJK etc.) message support
<https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498105&aid=824651&group_i
d=61702>

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 05:22:10 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:22:10 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Reading Outlook messages full screen
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803118CA0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0270@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When I get to work in the morning, I open Outlook 2003 and 
> double click on my first unread e-mail of the day.  This 
> opens up that message full screen.   I go through messages
> from here, only going to my Outlook split screen when Outlook
> forces me to do so when I forward a message, or when I have
> to do so to mark a message as spam.
> 
> Is there a way to have the Spambayes choices on this screen 
> as well as their normal screen? 

This is covered by this feature request:

[ 744558 ] Add "Delete As Spam" button to Outlook inspector w
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=744558&group_id=61
702&atid=498106>

Please feel free to add a comment to the tracker indicating that you'd also
like to see it implemented.  IMO it's pretty low down in a prioritised list
of things to do, but certainly having more people indicate that they'd like
it does increase the chances that it'll get added.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 05:25:38 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:25:38 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] deleted spam not deleting from server
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193ADA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0271@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I installed spambyes last week. I am running windows 98, 
> outlook 2000. I check office e mail from home. In my 
> properties I have checked off to leave messages on server 
> however to delete them from server when deleted from deleted 
> items. that is not occuring. they are remaining on the 
> server.

This is a known bug:

[ 773364 ] "Delete From Server" doesn't work on filtered mail
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=773364&group_id=61
702&atid=498103>

Unfortunately it's been open for quite a long time, so that probably means
it isn't simple to fix.  OTOH, it is one of the oldest bugs, so hopefully
someone will have time to fix it in the short-medium future.  Anyway, feel
free to add any comments to the tracker, or use it to find out when progress
is made.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 05:41:55 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:41:55 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] can't get spam bayes to work
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193AE0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F76E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Verizon is one of the major players here in the U.S.

Which doesn't help me, of course, since I'm halfway across the world from
the U.S.  IMO going to Verizon's website and digging through it to find
information about the correct POP server details is pretty generous help.

> and checking with a few friends who use it, it appears
> that when you set up the incoming mail account, the user
> inputs incoming.verizon.net.  However, as you correctly
> noted on your response to her, it shows up as pop.verizon.net. 
> That's just the way program operates, and nothing should be
> made of it.

I don't understand this at all.  The way SpamBayes operates (the error was
from a SpamBayes log file) is that it prints out the exact server name that
was in the settings.  That means that she entered "pop.verizon.net" as the
POP server to connect to.  Verizon's website indicated that
incoming.verizon.net was the correct address, although it didn't say whether
pop.verizon.net was *also* valid (ping results hint at 'no', but aren't
definitive).

ISTM that a great deal, rather than "nothing" should be made of this.  It's
by far the most likely explanation for the problem, given the available
information.  If you believe it isn't, then please make a suggestion to her
yourself about how the problem could be solved.  The mailing list is a place
where *everyone* is free to help others.

> I'm sure she has her OE settings set up as incoming.verizon.net. 

Which would mean that she entered in the wrong details in SpamBayes, and
that the steps I gave would almost certainly fix the problem.

> Now we all gather from reading her e-mails that she's not
> very computer literate.  That being the case, I'm not certain
> what she could gather from your above statement.  I'm sure she
> doesn't know what a DNS lookup problem is, or for that matter,
> what 206.46.232.10 is either.

That's why I included a link to a page explaining what an IP address is, and
explained how to use Google's define to figure things out.  If she doesn't
want to know what the problem is, then she can skip the bit where I explain
the problem.  For the sake of other people reading these messages, I *will*
continue to explain what I think the problem is.

> What she needs to do is to configure SPAMBAYES to work on her
> computer.  You told her that she has a DNS lookup problem, but
> you didn't tell her what to do about it. 

No, I said that it's possible if the steps I outlined didn't help.  If that
was the case, then she can explain that the steps didn't help and ask for
further help.

[...]
> And it could easily bring this thread to a close. 

What would help bring this thread to a close is a lot less taking about the
thread and participants and a lot more talking about how to solve problems.
Has anyone apart from me suggested even one thing to attempt?

> The fact that we haven't heard from her in response to your last
> e-mail several days ago tells me that she's probably given up in
> exasperation. 

If that's the case, I really don't care.  There are a lot of other spam
filters to try:

<http://spambayes.org/related.html>

If she pays for one, then she can purchase the right to berate the support
staff as much as she likes.

FWIW, it seems much more likely to me that the instructions I gave actually
fixed the problem.

[...]
> you gave her technical info about a DNS problem without providing
> anything close to a solution.

Actually, I gave a series of very simple steps that outlined either a
solution or a method of determining more information about the problem
(depending on whether it worked or not).

[...]
> I'd tell her to use Outlook, a far better program than the
> braindamaged OE, and one where installing SpamBayes is a
> piece of cake!  I don't know why anybody would want to use
> OE, but that's another story entirely.

OE is free and comes preinstalled with any Windows installation (AFAIK).
Outlook is pretty expensive for most people.  That leaves programs like
Eudora and Thunderbird, of course, which at least would avoid the notate
subject/to requirement, but installation would be more-or-less as
complicated as with OE, and a new UI would need to be adjusted to.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 05:46:03 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:46:03 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Outlook Express - cont'd
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193AC1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0273@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Tony - RU there?

I've been sick and at home for the last few days (one reason why it is
generally better to mail the list and not me personally).

I'll get to your latest email soon.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 05:53:53 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:53:53 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] trouble shooting still stuck
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803118CA9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0274@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> All of a sudden when an item gets moved into "Junk Suspects"  
> the recover from spam icon in the tool bar no longer exists.  
> I can recover from spam if it gets sent directly to Junk Email.

Have you tried recreating the toolbar as described in the troubleshooting
guide?  (Including deleting outcmd.dat)

<http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/Outloo
k2000/docs/troubleshooting.html?rev=HEAD>

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 05:54:29 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:54:29 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Not all spam marked as read with "mark spam as
	read"enabled (Outlook/Exchange)
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803118CA8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0275@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I've got a few users using the Outlook plugin 1.0.4 on Outlook 2003 
> (11.6359.6360 SP1) with Exchange 2003 SP1 on Windows Server 2003 SP1. 
> Around the time the Server 2003 SP1 patch was installed, messages moved 
> into their Certain Spam folder (Inbox\Junk E-mail in all cases) 
> sometimes are not marked as read even though the "Mark spam 
> as read" box is checked. It's a few messages here and there, not all.

Could you try and dig up a log file for a period during when this occurred?

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 07:53:59 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:53:59 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Audible mail notification
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193AC9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB027D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Suddenly, I just get a beep rather than the playing of the 
> .wav file I have assigned for new mail notification.  I have
> followed all of the instructions in Outlook to set up the
> audible notification, but suspect the problem is somehow
> related to Spambayes as e-mail arriving through 
> Mozilla does not pass through the Spambayes filter and does play the 
> appropriate .wav file.  Any suggestion?

What version of SpamBayes is this?  What version of Outlook?

This is the Windows 'new mail' notification sound, not the SpamBayes (1.1)
one, correct?  The sound is chosen in the "Sounds" control panel, I think.
Telling Outlook to play is in Options->Email Options->Advanced Options.  I
presume that this where the Outlook instructions directed you to, though?

What happens if you disable SpamBayes?  (Via the SpamBayes Manager dialog)

What happens if you uninstall SpamBayes?  (If you then reinstall, none of
your training/configuration data will be lost).

=Tony.Meyer

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Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 08:01:51 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:01:51 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!!
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80311866F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB027F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Thanks........I.t looks like I need to reinstall but I no
> longer can find the info to do that. Just please send me the 
> installation process and I will try again. 
>
> thanks for being so patient........Gladys   
> There was nothing there excepy About SpamBayes and Troubleshooting.
> and nothing for reinstalling.

Apologies for the delay (I've been home sick).  Download 1.0.4 from here:

<http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.4.exe?download>

(If you don't have a default mirror selected, you'll need to click on any
one of the little icons that looks like a bit of paper with 1s and 0s on it
that's in the rightmost column in the table).

When it has downloaded, double-click the installer and work through the
various steps.

Make sure that you choose to install the "Server/Proxy Application" and not
the plug-in for Microsoft Outlook in the second box.  At the end, make sure
you leave the "Execute SpamBayes each time Windows starts" box ticked.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 08:11:37 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:11:37 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Outlook Express - cont'd
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803118C91@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F773@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>>> The server responded with an error. Account: 'pop-server.san.rr.com',
>>> Server: 'localhost', Protocol: POP3, Server Response: '220 
>>> ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com ESMTP Welcome to Road Runner.
>>> WARNING: *** FOR AUTHORIZED USE ONLY! ***', Port: 110,
>>> Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90, Error Number: 0x800CCC90
>> 
>> It looks like you've set SpamBayes to connect to port 25 at 
>> pop-server.san.rr.com (SMTP - outgoing mail) rather than port 110.
[...]
> My settings in the SpamBayes configuration page are as 
> you stated: for the incoming (pop3 proxy options) - 
> pop-server.san.rr.com in the top box
> and 110 in the second box.
[...]

Odd.  The server response in the error message looks remarkably like a SMTP
server response (starts with "220" rather than "+OK" which POP has).  If I
connect to pop-server.san.rr.com:110 I get:

"+OK Messaging Multiplexor (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built
Feb8 2005))"

Could you send me a copy of your most recent log file?  It's in the Windows
temp directory, with WinXP this is probably 'C:\Documents and
Settings\{username}\Local Settings\Temp' and it'll be called
SpambayesServer1.log.

=Tony.Meyer

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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 13 08:17:40 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:17:40 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Not all spam marked as read with "mark spam as
	read"enabled (Outlook/Exchange)
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193E76@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F774@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When I get to work tomorrow, I'll get one or two people to 
> set it to 9 and send what I find.

Thanks.

> I don't know if this might be a red herring or not, but this 
> all started shortly after installing Windows 2003 Server SP1.
> There were some pretty big RPC changes and I'm wondering if
> this might be a low-level problem too, perhaps even with Python
> and SP1.

I don't have any version of Windows Server myself, but I've seen messages
from other people on the list who are using 2003 SP1 with SpamBayes, so it
ought to work - OTOH this is the sort of problem that could easily be
missed.

Ryan, Bob: were either of you using Windows Server 2003 SP1?  If so, do you
have any idea whether you've seen this problem?  (The 'mark as read' option
only sporadically working; this isn't the folder list update problem).

> I'm really grasping but a couple of these users get tens of 
> thousands of messages per day. It seems to be worse on busy accounts.
> Myself and another guy only get a few hundred messages a day and we're 
> not seeing this. I was thinking there might be some sort of contention
> going on between Spambayes moving the messages and Outlook/Exchange 
> updating read or not read flags.

Moving the message and setting the 'read' flag are done separately - since
the move works, I'm guessing it's some sort of issue with the latter.  It's
done with a MAPI call, so maybe something did change with the new version -
I would hope that it would raise an error (and therefore create a log entry)
if so, though.

=Tony.Meyer

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From rodgersm at uww.edu  Mon Jun 13 15:21:23 2005
From: rodgersm at uww.edu (Rodgers, Michael W)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:21:23 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] McAfee VirusScan 8.0 detects "Generic BackDoor.dr" in
	SpamBayes 1.0.4 downloads
Message-ID: <E3A34F59A1961045A62373F1E41CA25D1BFDF4@facmail3.uww.edu>

My version of McAfee VirusScan (8.0.0 engine 4400) appears to detect
some sort of a generic Trojan in the 1.0.4 SpamBayes Outlook plugin.
Does anyone else have this problem? It very well may be that the network
administrators at my university have (mis)configured something within
McAfee, since the version I am running is the centrally managed,
enterprise version.

 

If it appears that others are also detecting a Trojan in the 1.0.4
SpamBayes Outlook plugin, I'm curious to see if it is a false positive
on McAfee's part or an actual breach of security in the SpamBayes code
base.

 

Thanks.

 

Mike Rodgers 

UW-Whitewater 

Web Customer Support 

Technology & Information Resources 

rodgersm at uww.edu <mailto:rodgersm at uww.edu>  

262-472-1658 

 

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From tskears at singnet.com.sg  Mon Jun 13 16:21:31 2005
From: tskears at singnet.com.sg (Timothy Kearsley)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:21:31 +0800
Subject: [Spambayes] McAfee AntiVirus and SpamBayes
Message-ID: <42AD966B.9070409@singnet.com.sg>


Hi,

I do not know if you are aware, but McAfee AntiVirus (Enterprise V8.0.0, 
DAT V4511) appears to be identifying the SpamBayes installation 
programme as a trojan.

McAfee just deleted the SpamBayes V1.0.0 installation programme from my 
Downloads file, claiming it is a "Generic Backdoor.dr (Trojan)". I found 
this rather strange as I have been using SpamBayes for some time (with 
great success), and the installation file has been sitting on my hard 
drive for some months without any problems. However, I did update to the 
latest McAfee DAT files a couple of days ago, and that appears to when 
SpamBayes was identified as a trojan.

I attempted to download the latest release (V1.0.4) and received the 
same message regarding the "Generic Backdoor.dr (Trojan)". I do not know 
how you may be able to address this problem, but I suspect the fault may 
lie with the latest McAfee virus DAT file.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Timothy Kearsley

mailto:tskears at singnet.com.sg




From jsp at PKC.com  Mon Jun 13 17:07:32 2005
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:07:32 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] McAfee AntiVirus and SpamBayes
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15506@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Well, that's two reports in the last few hours.  I'd suggest that you
both be in touch with McAfee, because it sure sounds like they're doing
A Bad Thing.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf 
> Of Timothy Kearsley
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:22 AM
> To: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] McAfee AntiVirus and SpamBayes
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I do not know if you are aware, but McAfee AntiVirus 
> (Enterprise V8.0.0, 
> DAT V4511) appears to be identifying the SpamBayes installation 
> programme as a trojan.
> 
> McAfee just deleted the SpamBayes V1.0.0 installation 
> programme from my 
> Downloads file, claiming it is a "Generic Backdoor.dr 
> (Trojan)". I found 
> this rather strange as I have been using SpamBayes for some 
> time (with 
> great success), and the installation file has been sitting on my hard 
> drive for some months without any problems. However, I did 
> update to the 
> latest McAfee DAT files a couple of days ago, and that 
> appears to when 
> SpamBayes was identified as a trojan.
> 
> I attempted to download the latest release (V1.0.4) and received the 
> same message regarding the "Generic Backdoor.dr (Trojan)". I 
> do not know 
> how you may be able to address this problem, but I suspect 
> the fault may 
> lie with the latest McAfee virus DAT file.
> 
> Thanks and Best Regards,
> Timothy Kearsley
> 
> mailto:tskears at singnet.com.sg

From brouilly at cox.net  Mon Jun 13 19:04:12 2005
From: brouilly at cox.net (Katrien van Dijk)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:04:12 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Changing Browser Preference for SpamBayes
Message-ID: <42ADBC8C.8040102@cox.net>

I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc2 (June 2004) (binary), 
with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit 
(Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service 
Pack 2).  I have trained 1776 ham and 14351 spam.

The problem I am having is I need to change the default browser for 
SpamBayes.  The Windows file type .HTM (.HTML) is set for Netscape 6.2, 
but SpamBayes uses Netscape 8 (recently installed).  How do I change the 
browser default for SpamBayes?

Thanks for your help.



From Anna.Carbonell at smhgroup.com  Mon Jun 13 20:49:08 2005
From: Anna.Carbonell at smhgroup.com (Anna Carbonell)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:49:08 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Uninstall Spambayes
Message-ID: <A11AA80A2EC00C4E9A55C772F9A704FC01455121@nywmail01.whitefordadvisors.com>

Hi:

I need to uninstall SpamBayes from my PC and I can't seem to
successfully uninstall it.  It leaves the Junk E-mail and Junk E-mail
Suspects on my mailbox.  In addition, it also leaves the SpamBayes
toolbar from MS Outlook.  Can you send a detailed instructions on how to
manually remove all the files from C drive and the registry?

Thanks,

Anna Carbonell
IT Support 
Sanders Morris Harris
527 Madison Avenue
6th Fl.
New York, NY 10022
Tel:  212-419-3912
Fax:  212-419-3954

From laniear at ligsystems.com  Mon Jun 13 21:15:12 2005
From: laniear at ligsystems.com (Lee Laniear)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:15:12 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Out of control log file?
Message-ID: <20050613121513-41318-740@mail.ligsystems.com>

I've been using SpamBayes for quite awhile and like it, a lot.  I am running SpamBayes 
on a windows XP Pro system and my e-mail client manages nine accounts.  Since 
installing v1.0.3 every now and again, for no discernable reason my 
SpamBayesServer1.log file grows as large as 12GB!  Normally the log file is about 221 
bytes.  What gives?  Anyone seen this?  Anyone have an idea how to stop it?

Lee




From kenny.pitt at gmail.com  Mon Jun 13 21:18:12 2005
From: kenny.pitt at gmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:18:12 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] FAQ short on logon & security
In-Reply-To: <007301c57047$3a33f640$640fa8c0@server>
Message-ID: <42addbf5.758070cd.53f5.2479@mx.gmail.com>

Please note that the spambayes-dev list is for discussion about the
development of SpamBayes. General questions, bug reports, and so forth
should be directed to  <mailto:spambayes at python.org> spambayes at python.org.
 
SpamBayes doesn't handle the POP3 login itself. As a proxy, it just passes
the commands from the mail client (in this case, Outlook Express) on to the
server and then analyzes the received messages for spam content. The
username and password sent to the server should be the ones configured in
Outlook Express.
 
Are you certain that the problem is caused by a login failure? If the
username/password is not being submitted correctly then you should get a
connection error from Outlook Express. A copy of your log files might be
helpful, although the SpamBayes proxy logs much less info than the Outlook
addin. The Troubleshooting guide should tell you how to find the logs.
 
-- 
Kenny Pitt
 

  _____  

From: spambayes-dev-bounces at python.org
[mailto:spambayes-dev-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jim Miller
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:39 PM
To: spambayes-dev at python.org
Subject: [spambayes-dev] FAQ short on logon & security


Cannot find anything on logon issues.  My POP3 requires a logon, and even
tho I have set up Spambayes to Outlook Express as recommended, I never have
emails to review, and I have stopped receiving emails.  I conclude that
Spambayes is not connecting to my POP3 server because it cannot logon.
There was nothing in the instructions or FAQ about overcoming this problem.
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From jim_miller at cox.net  Mon Jun 13 21:43:17 2005
From: jim_miller at cox.net (Jim Miller)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:43:17 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] FAQ short on logon & security
References: <42addbf5.758070cd.53f5.2479@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c57050$272ccff0$640fa8c0@server>

Please allow me to apologise.  I was hasty in my analysis.  The email you sent was received just fine.  My OE is set to localhost and the Spambayes server is set to my POP3 server.  The problem now is that I receive no emails for review.  Maybe I should just wait.  But then again, shouldn't at least your email have appeared in the review list?

  The answer you gave was complete and informative.  Now I understand that logon settings are not set in Spambayes, but in OE.  The online instructions were complete.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kenny Pitt 
  To: 'Jim Miller' 
  Cc: spambayes at python.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:18 PM
  Subject: RE: [spambayes-dev] FAQ short on logon & security


  Please note that the spambayes-dev list is for discussion about the development of SpamBayes. General questions, bug reports, and so forth should be directed to spambayes at python.org.

  SpamBayes doesn't handle the POP3 login itself. As a proxy, it just passes the commands from the mail client (in this case, Outlook Express) on to the server and then analyzes the received messages for spam content. The username and password sent to the server should be the ones configured in Outlook Express.

  Are you certain that the problem is caused by a login failure? If the username/password is not being submitted correctly then you should get a connection error from Outlook Express. A copy of your log files might be helpful, although the SpamBayes proxy logs much less info than the Outlook addin. The Troubleshooting guide should tell you how to find the logs.

  -- 
  Kenny Pitt




------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  From: spambayes-dev-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-dev-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jim Miller
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:39 PM
  To: spambayes-dev at python.org
  Subject: [spambayes-dev] FAQ short on logon & security


  Cannot find anything on logon issues.  My POP3 requires a logon, and even tho I have set up Spambayes to Outlook Express as recommended, I never have emails to review, and I have stopped receiving emails.  I conclude that Spambayes is not connecting to my POP3 server because it cannot logon.  There was nothing in the instructions or FAQ about overcoming this problem.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 14 01:01:47 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:01:47 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Out of control log file?
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803194016@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0286@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Since installing v1.0.3 every now and again, for no discernable
> reason my SpamBayesServer1.log file grows as large as 12GB!

This is a known problem with 1.0.3.  Please upgrade to 1.0.4 and this
problem should be fixed.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 14 01:15:17 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:15:17 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Uninstall Spambayes
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803194003@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0289@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I need to uninstall SpamBayes from my PC and I can't seem to 
> successfully uninstall it.  It leaves the Junk E-mail and 
> Junk E-mail Suspects on my mailbox.

Those are regular Outlook folders.  You can do anything with them that you
can do with any other Outlook folder.  If you want to delete them, then
right-click them and select 'Delete "Folder Name"'.  That will move the
folder into the "Deleted Items" folder, which you can then empty.

> In addition, it also leaves the SpamBayes toolbar from MS Outlook.

This is a known bug: see FAQ 3.16:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#how-do-i-uninstall-the-plug-in>

The FAQ has instructions for removing the toolbar.

> Can you send a detailed instructions on how to manually remove all
> the files from C drive and the registry?

All the program files and registry values are removed by the uninstaller,
which I presume you have run.  If you want to delete your data files, then
you will need to do that manually.  FAQ 3.5 explains where the data files
can be found:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#can-i-back-up-the-outlook-database-should-i-d
o-this>

=Tony.Meyer

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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 14 01:19:07 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:19:07 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Outlook Express - cont'd
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193F39@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB028A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I hope you are feeling better. 

I am, thanks :)

> Here is the file you requested.   Let
> me know if this tells you anything.
[in log]
> SMTP Listener on port 110 is proxying smtp-server.san.rr.com:25
> Listener on port 110 is proxying pop-server.san.rr.com:110

Ah!  I wouldn't have guessed this, but this does explain the problem.  The
SpamBayes SMTP proxy is set to run on local port 110, and it gets setup
first.  When SpamBayes tries to setup the POP proxy, the port is already
taken, so it fails (silently, it seems).

If you look at your SpamBayes configuration, I expect you will have "110" in
the fourth box ("SpamBayes Ports" in the "SMTP Proxy Options" section).
Change that to "25" (no quotes) and all should be fixed (you might have to
restart SpamBayes).

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 14 01:23:00 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:23:00 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] McAfee AntiVirus and SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193F72@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB028B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Jesse]
> Well, that's two reports in the last few hours.  I'd suggest 
> that you both be in touch with McAfee, because it sure sounds 
> like they're doing A Bad Thing.

It seems someone already has.  McAfee's website has this information in the
section about "Generic Backdoor.dr":

"""
-- Update June 12, 2005 --
The 4511 DAT files contain an incorrect Generic Backdoor.dr identification
on certain Inno Setup installer files.  This detection was corrected in the
4512 DAT release.

For further information, please refer to the Generic Backdoor description. 
"""

SpamBayes (like many other programs) uses Inno Setup for the installer, so
this fits with the description of our problem.  If you upgrade the McAfee
DAT files to 4512 this problem should be fixed, I believe.  Please let us
know if that is not the case.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 14 01:37:47 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:37:47 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Just for one time a personal message to you
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193E92@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F775@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Have you ever thought about using such an LSP to avoid almost 
> 90% of the complaints that Spambayes is not working (and 
> avoiding irritated messages of users who do not understand 
> your very helpful answers ;-) )?

There's an open feature request for this:

[ 970859 ] Transparent proxying support?
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=970859&group_id=61
702&atid=498106>

It's certainly possible (with Windows and some *nixes, at least), but it
does make things vastly more complicated (under the hood; theoretically it's
less complicated for users).

I agree that it would be great to have the install process for sb_server
much simpler, and that this is where most people have problems.  However,
IMO, finishing the "autoconfigure" script, which does all the configuration
stuff for the user (for various common mail clients) would be a cleaner and
nicer way of doing this.  Since it's almost done, it would require much less
time, too (which means it's more likely to be done).

OTOH, the SpamExperts guys have indicated that they intend to contribute
back code to SpamBayes, so maybe a LSP-enabled SpamBayes may turn up in the
future.

Thanks for the suggestion!

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From sfthardy at cts.com  Tue Jun 14 02:32:12 2005
From: sfthardy at cts.com (Steve & Francine Hardy)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:32:12 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <000801c57078$850968e0$5068ee42@GATEWAY>

Hi... can you help me with a problem.  I have read your troubleshooting guide, but still am stumped.  

How do I prevent the spambayes from deleting every new email sender message?  I sent a message to Stash Tea via the internet, and they replied to me via my email address, but before I could open the message, spambayes had deleted it, and I don't know where to find the deleted message.  It isn't in the jj unsure folder.  
Thanks for anything you can help with

F. Hardy
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From tchoice at concentric.net  Tue Jun 14 04:29:05 2005
From: tchoice at concentric.net (Paul Turok)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:29:05 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] safe list
Message-ID: <003301c5708a$6cb7cdb0$2db80340@gatewayyvpiirt>

Is there any way incorporate the entire Address list from Microsoft Outlook Express into the SpamBayes "ham" list in one action? Thanks. 
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 14 04:54:42 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:54:42 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] safe list
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80319411C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0290@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Is there any way incorporate the entire Address list
> from Microsoft Outlook Express into the SpamBayes "ham"
> list in one action?

This is called "whitelisting".  Please see FAQ 6.6:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-whitelisting-blacklisting-t
o-spambayes>

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From richie at entrian.com  Tue Jun 14 09:08:57 2005
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:08:57 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] Just for one time a personal message to you
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F775@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193E92@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F775@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <jvvsa115sb2moelnbsv5ofsltt0k8kgr9b@4ax.com>

Tony, Dreas,

> OTOH, the SpamExperts guys have indicated that they intend to contribute
> back code to SpamBayes, so maybe a LSP-enabled SpamBayes may turn up in the
> future.

I did once investigate the LSP approach for Spambayes, but I gave up because the
LSP system has a fatal flaw.  Each LSP is required to contain many hundreds of
lines of boilerplate code, which Microsoft ships as a sample.  To write an LSP,
you modify their sample.  But older versions of the sample were buggy with
respect to chaining on to other LSPs.  There are products in the wild that are
based on those buggy samples, and even a perfect LSP won't work if it gets
installed onto a machine with one these buggy LSPs on it.  The buggy LSP works
perfectly as long as it's the only non-Microsoft LSP on the system.  Users will
inevitably blame the new LSP rather than the old one when things break.

I wish I knew the extent of the problem, or could name some of these buggy
programs, or could give you an official reference, but all I remember is that I
found this out and gave up on the idea.

I believe that a lot of network-hooking applications tend to use other
techniques (API hooking or network drivers) than LSPs.  I don't have any
evidence to back that up - it's a gut feeling derived from reading around the
subject.

(Dreas, sorry if this is bad news - I didn't know you were considering LSPs.  It
may be that these days the problem is negligible - it was a couple of years ago
that I looked at this.)

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie at entrian.com


From ececconi at visteon.com  Tue Jun 14 09:28:49 2005
From: ececconi at visteon.com (Cecconi, Enrico (E.))
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:28:49 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Trojan Macafee
Message-ID: <1468DAC3F7E2704686B5AEE348137CD407D41D0A@vistex33.dunton.visteon.com>

According to McAfee VirusScan, spambayes-1.0.X.exe is a known trojan file
(GenericBackDoor.dr).
Can you explain please?

Enrico Cecconi M.Sc.
Systems Engineer (Audio)
Visteon (UK) Ltd.
GB-28/H Electronics Tech. Centre
Dunton Engineering Centre
Laindon SS15 6EE
Tel  +44-1268-497813
Fax +44-1268-497440
email: ececconi at visteon.com
>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message including attachments, if any,
is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may
contain confidential and /or privileged material. Any unauthorized review,
use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended
recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies
of the original message. If you are the intended recipient but do not wish
to receive communications through this medium, please do advise the sender
immediately.
>
>

From dreas at emailaccount.nl  Tue Jun 14 09:34:00 2005
From: dreas at emailaccount.nl (Dreas van Donselaar)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:34:00 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Just for one time a personal message to you
In-Reply-To: <jvvsa115sb2moelnbsv5ofsltt0k8kgr9b@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <UMWIN0021TGBlX0vld3000182d5@smtp.unimaas.nl>

Hi Richie,

The LSP is actually quite a complicated thing indeed. Fortunately we have an
LSP specialist that build it for us. We have one of those LSPs that is not
buggy ;) Google Desktop Search for example however is a "buggy" LSP.
Currently we are changing our LSP so it will follow the rules of those buggy
LSPs when necessary. That way we end up with quite a stable solution. But
it's lots of highly specialised work.

I believe other applications indeed integrate at an even lower level (like
Symantec Antivirus) however this is much more complicated and it's hard to
find programmers that understand it.

Because of the competitative advantage the LSP gives us, we will not release
the LSP part opensource for now. There maybe a construction possible in
which we create a binairy that can be used by SpamBayes, I'll discuss this
with Tony. 

Btw we're not considering LSPs .. we're using one ;)

For those interested, SpamPal did opensource their LSP code. We tried to
start building from this, but that turned out to be too complicated (since
it's all integrated). Therefore we hired an LSP specialist. The SpamPal code
could still be an option though for one of you guys to try.
___
Dreas van Donselaar
CIO & co-founder

SpamExperts
Postbus 309
6200 AH Maastricht 
The Netherlands

F: +31 (0)842203930
E: aj.vandonselaar at spamexperts.com
W: http://www.spamexperts.com/



-----Original Message-----
From: Richie Hindle [mailto:richie at entrian.com] 
Sent: dinsdag 14 juni 2005 9:09
To: spambayes at python.org; Dreas van Donselaar
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Just for one time a personal message to you

Tony, Dreas,

> OTOH, the SpamExperts guys have indicated that they intend to 
> contribute back code to SpamBayes, so maybe a LSP-enabled SpamBayes 
> may turn up in the future.

I did once investigate the LSP approach for Spambayes, but I gave up because
the LSP system has a fatal flaw.  Each LSP is required to contain many
hundreds of lines of boilerplate code, which Microsoft ships as a sample.
To write an LSP, you modify their sample.  But older versions of the sample
were buggy with respect to chaining on to other LSPs.  There are products in
the wild that are based on those buggy samples, and even a perfect LSP won't
work if it gets installed onto a machine with one these buggy LSPs on it.
The buggy LSP works perfectly as long as it's the only non-Microsoft LSP on
the system.  Users will inevitably blame the new LSP rather than the old one
when things break.

I wish I knew the extent of the problem, or could name some of these buggy
programs, or could give you an official reference, but all I remember is
that I found this out and gave up on the idea.

I believe that a lot of network-hooking applications tend to use other
techniques (API hooking or network drivers) than LSPs.  I don't have any
evidence to back that up - it's a gut feeling derived from reading around
the subject.

(Dreas, sorry if this is bad news - I didn't know you were considering LSPs.
It may be that these days the problem is negligible - it was a couple of
years ago that I looked at this.)

--
Richie Hindle
richie at entrian.com




From links at lovecompass.com  Tue Jun 14 09:03:52 2005
From: links at lovecompass.com (LoveCompass.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:03:52 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Link to http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ on
	LoveCompass.com
Message-ID: <E1Di5Si-0007HF-Ml@server1.lovecompass.com>

We are glad to inform you that a link to site http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/ has been
posted to LoveCompass Online Personals & Dating Services Network Directory
(http://www.lovecompass.com/).   Your site will be reviewed within 24 hours.

After activation, your URL will be listed at
http://www.lovecompass.com/Information/Anti-Spam/

Now, please add a link to LoveCompass to any of your site's pages (other options
available at http://www.lovecompass.com/linkto.htm ).
------------------------------------
<a href="http://www.lovecompass.com/">Dating Services Network</a>
or
<a href="http://www.lovecompass.com/">Dating Services - Free Personal Ads</a>
or
<a href="http://www.lovecompass.com/">Dating Singles - Online Dating Services - LoveCompass</a>
------------------------------------
OR use the following information
------------------------------------
TITLE:Dating Singles - Online Dating Services - LoveCompass
URL: http://www.lovecompass.com
DESCRIPTION: Hundreds of dating sites from around the globe united in building secure and effective database of real photo personals seeking for love, relationship, romance, pen-pals and friends.
------------------------------------

If you prefer to exchange links with related sites only,  then please link to our category  Anti-Spam with appropriate description.
For example: LoveCompass Dating Anti-Spam  Resources .  It will   give  you one more opportunity  to promote your site and improve your Page Rank from the category  with good content for your site.  A lot of  categories  of our  directory have the leading  positions in the search listing of  Google, Yahoo, MSN and AOL  search engines. 

All the links in our directory are direct, so they will improve your link popularity
and Google PageRank.

We truly hope to send many visitors your way.
Thank you
LoveCompass administration team
www.lovecompass.com
links at lovecompass.com

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 14 10:12:25 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:12:25 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Trojan Macafee
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80319419D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0291@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> According to McAfee VirusScan, spambayes-1.0.X.exe is a known 
> trojan file (GenericBackDoor.dr). Can you explain please?

McAfee's website has this information in the section about "Generic
Backdoor.dr":

"""
-- Update June 12, 2005 --
The 4511 DAT files contain an incorrect Generic Backdoor.dr identification
on certain Inno Setup installer files.  This detection was corrected in the
4512 DAT release.

For further information, please refer to the Generic Backdoor description. 
"""

SpamBayes (like many other programs) uses Inno Setup for the installer, so
this fits with the description of our problem.  If you upgrade the McAfee
DAT files to 4512 this problem should be fixed, I believe.  Please let us
know if that is not the case.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From jsp at PKC.com  Tue Jun 14 13:59:38 2005
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:59:38 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15508@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

This FAQ may help:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#some-of-my-mail-is-going-missi
ng
<BLOCKED::http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#some-of-my-mail-is-g
oing-missing> .


________________________________

	From: spambayes-bounces at python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Steve & Francine
Hardy
	Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:32 PM
	To: spambayes at python.org
	Subject: [Spambayes] help
	
	
	Hi... can you help me with a problem.  I have read your
troubleshooting guide, but still am stumped.  
	 
	How do I prevent the spambayes from deleting every new email
sender message?  I sent a message to Stash Tea via the internet, and
they replied to me via my email address, but before I could open the
message, spambayes had deleted it, and I don't know where to find the
deleted message.  It isn't in the jj unsure folder.  
	Thanks for anything you can help with
	 
	F. Hardy

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From diho at unlimitedmail.org  Tue Jun 14 11:46:53 2005
From: diho at unlimitedmail.org (Dick Hoogendoorn)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:46:53 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Just for one time a personal message to you
In-Reply-To: <UMWIN0021TGBlX0vld3000182d5@smtp.unimaas.nl>
References: <jvvsa115sb2moelnbsv5ofsltt0k8kgr9b@4ax.com>
	<UMWIN0021TGBlX0vld3000182d5@smtp.unimaas.nl>
Message-ID: <1354221197.20050614114653@unlimitedmail.org>

Hello Dreas,

On Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 09:34:00 GMT +0200 (which was 9:34:00
where I live), Dreas van Donselaar wrote and made these valuable
points on the subject of "[Spambayes] Just for one time a personal
message to you":

> Hi Richie,

> The LSP is actually quite a complicated thing indeed. Fortunately we have an
> LSP specialist that build it for us. We have one of those LSPs that is not
> buggy ;) Google Desktop Search for example however is a "buggy" LSP.
> Currently we are changing our LSP so it will follow the rules of those buggy
> LSPs when necessary. That way we end up with quite a stable solution. But
> it's lots of highly specialised work.

> I believe other applications indeed integrate at an even lower level (like
> Symantec Antivirus) however this is much more complicated and it's hard to
> find programmers that understand it.

> Because of the competitative advantage the LSP gives us, we will not release
> the LSP part opensource for now. There maybe a construction possible in
> which we create a binairy that can be used by SpamBayes, I'll discuss this
> with Tony. 

> Btw we're not considering LSPs .. we're using one ;)

> For those interested, SpamPal did opensource their LSP code. We tried to
> start building from this, but that turned out to be too complicated (since
> it's all integrated). Therefore we hired an LSP specialist. The SpamPal code
> could still be an option though for one of you guys to try.
> ___
> Dreas van Donselaar
> CIO & co-founder

> SpamExperts
> Postbus 309
> 6200 AH Maastricht 
> The Netherlands

> F: +31 (0)842203930
> E: aj.vandonselaar at spamexperts.com
> W: http://www.spamexperts.com/

I've tried Spampal 1.72g with their new transparent proxy but after I installed it, my VPN (Cisco) refused to establish any connection. If you watch the installation process of Spampal, you will see that this transparent proxy has several hooks, not just a single one and that scares me.  

So, I immediately removed it again from my system and have no problems with VPN anymore.  

-- 
Best regards,
 Dick

___________________________________________________________
Some people are like slinkies: not really good for anything... but you
can't help laughing when you push them down the stairs.

Using The Bat! v3.5.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build  2600 Service Pack 2

Privacy is your right...only if you defend it: http://www.metropipe.net/landing.cgi?id=cloggy


From richie at entrian.com  Tue Jun 14 20:39:30 2005
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:39:30 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] Just for one time a personal message to you
In-Reply-To: <UMWIN0021TGBlX0vld3000182d5@smtp.unimaas.nl>
References: <jvvsa115sb2moelnbsv5ofsltt0k8kgr9b@4ax.com>
	<UMWIN0021TGBlX0vld3000182d5@smtp.unimaas.nl>
Message-ID: <nv8ua1l4c37vsoaecl4lvlaumeutf80g69@4ax.com>


[Dreas]
> Currently we are changing our LSP so it will follow the rules of those buggy
> LSPs when necessary. That way we end up with quite a stable solution.

Ah, good - I wasn't sure whether it was possible to do that.

> For those interested, SpamPal did opensource their LSP code.

Thanks for that knowledge - one day (after I retire 8-) I'll have a look at it.

-- 
Richie


From jim_miller at cox.net  Tue Jun 14 23:21:32 2005
From: jim_miller at cox.net (Jim Miller)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] FAQ short on logon & security
References: <42addbf5.758070cd.53f5.2479@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c57127$09cd2630$640fa8c0@server>

Ok.  I just don't get it.  This tool is not working.  My menu, from the System Tray, says "Stop Spambayes, review messages, view info, configure, check for version, exit spambayes".  The stop will stop the running sp_service.exe. The review messages says I have no messages waiting for review [There are no untrained messages to display. Return Home, or check again.].  The view info takes me to a screen that says:
POP3 proxy running on 110, proxying to pop.central.cox.net:110. 
Active POP3 conversations: 0.
POP3 conversations this session: 0.
Emails classified this session: 0 spam, 0 ham, 0 unsure.
Total emails trained: Spam: 4 Ham: 0

Configure takes me to the configuration page at localhost:8880.  Configure does not show me anything I recognise as a problem.  It was set up according to your instructions.

And exit will stop the program.

I am still receiving spam.  There is nothing to review.

What am I doing wrong?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kenny Pitt 
  To: 'Jim Miller' 
  Cc: spambayes at python.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:18 PM
  Subject: RE: [spambayes-dev] FAQ short on logon & security


  Please note that the spambayes-dev list is for discussion about the development of SpamBayes. General questions, bug reports, and so forth should be directed to spambayes at python.org.

  SpamBayes doesn't handle the POP3 login itself. As a proxy, it just passes the commands from the mail client (in this case, Outlook Express) on to the server and then analyzes the received messages for spam content. The username and password sent to the server should be the ones configured in Outlook Express.

  Are you certain that the problem is caused by a login failure? If the username/password is not being submitted correctly then you should get a connection error from Outlook Express. A copy of your log files might be helpful, although the SpamBayes proxy logs much less info than the Outlook addin. The Troubleshooting guide should tell you how to find the logs.

  -- 
  Kenny Pitt




------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  From: spambayes-dev-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-dev-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Jim Miller
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 2:39 PM
  To: spambayes-dev at python.org
  Subject: [spambayes-dev] FAQ short on logon & security


  Cannot find anything on logon issues.  My POP3 requires a logon, and even tho I have set up Spambayes to Outlook Express as recommended, I never have emails to review, and I have stopped receiving emails.  I conclude that Spambayes is not connecting to my POP3 server because it cannot logon.  There was nothing in the instructions or FAQ about overcoming this problem.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 14 23:29:01 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:29:01 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] FAQ short on logon & security
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803194364@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0295@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I am still receiving spam.  There is nothing to review.

Have you changed your mail client to connect to localhost?

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 14 23:53:49 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:53:49 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Changing Browser Preference for SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193FC5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F778@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc2 (June 2004) (binary), 

You might want to consider upgrading to 1.0.4.

> I have trained 1776 ham and 14351 spam.

SpamBayes works best when trained on roughly equal numbers of ham and spam
(see http://entrian.com/sb_wiki/TrainingIdeas for a great deal of
information).  If you're finding classification results less than ideal, you
might want to consider retraining and aiming for a rough balance.  The
golden rule is "if it isn't broken, don't fix it", though.

> The problem I am having is I need to change the default browser for 
> SpamBayes.  The Windows file type .HTM (.HTML) is set for 
> Netscape 6.2, but SpamBayes uses Netscape 8 (recently installed). 
> How do I change the browser default for SpamBayes?

SpamBayes uses whatever Windows thinks is the default browser.  If you open
up the browser you want to be the default (e.g. Netscape 6.2) there should
be an option there to do it.  I think Netscape's option is found by doing:

  1. Select "Edit | Preferences" from the main menu in Netscape.
 
  2. Change to the "Navigator" tab/section.
 
  3. Click the "Set Default Browser" button.
 
  4. Click "OK".

  5. Restart Netscape and click "Yes" when asked if it should be set as the
default browser.

SpamBayes should then open in that browser.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 14 23:56:06 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:56:06 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Reading Outlook messages full screen
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193F2F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0298@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>> This is covered by this feature request:
[...]
>> Please feel free to add a comment to the tracker indicating
>> that you'd also like to see it implemented.  IMO it's pretty 
>> low down in a prioritised list of things to do, but certainly 
>> having more people indicate that they'd like it does increase 
>> the chances that it'll get added.
>
> I didn't see any way to add the comment.   I did go through 
> the tracker to get back to this page.   Maybe people with logins
> can do more.

Yes, you do need to login to sourceforge to add comments.  Adding one isn't
necessary, though, since the tracker is there.  It's possible that it'll get
added at some point; it's just unlikely to be in the near future.

=Tony.Meyer

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From danielle.tardif at umontreal.ca  Wed Jun 15 00:34:24 2005
From: danielle.tardif at umontreal.ca (Tardif Danielle)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:34:24 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] messages disappeared
Message-ID: <B5835E1CC5947D4F81BEAE6C6997398F0585E6D4@etna.sim.umontreal.ca>

Hi,
 
All the messages in my "certain" box has disappeared while I was using
the fonction "delete as spam" in my "uncertain" box. 
 
Can I recuperate these messages for verification?
 
Danielle Tardif
Universite de Montreal
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From Anna.Carbonell at smhgroup.com  Wed Jun 15 04:32:35 2005
From: Anna.Carbonell at smhgroup.com (Anna Carbonell)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:32:35 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Uninstall Spambayes
Message-ID: <A11AA80A2EC00C4E9A55C772F9A704FC01455487@nywmail01.whitefordadvisors.com>

Hi Tony:

Thanks for pointing me to the FAQs.  I performed all the instructions
and deleted all SpamBayes files on the C drive but the Junk E-Mail
folder still appears on Outlook and the toolbar is still there as well.
I hid the SpamBayes toolbar, which suffices.  However, I would still
like to be able to delete the Junk E-Mail folder.

Can you kindly assist me on this issue?

Thanks,

Anna

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:15 PM
To: Anna Carbonell; spambayes at python.org
Cc: Mike Rosen
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Uninstall Spambayes

> I need to uninstall SpamBayes from my PC and I can't seem to 
> successfully uninstall it.  It leaves the Junk E-mail and Junk E-mail 
> Suspects on my mailbox.

Those are regular Outlook folders.  You can do anything with them that
you can do with any other Outlook folder.  If you want to delete them,
then right-click them and select 'Delete "Folder Name"'.  That will move
the folder into the "Deleted Items" folder, which you can then empty.

> In addition, it also leaves the SpamBayes toolbar from MS Outlook.

This is a known bug: see FAQ 3.16:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#how-do-i-uninstall-the-plug-in>

The FAQ has instructions for removing the toolbar.

> Can you send a detailed instructions on how to manually remove all the

> files from C drive and the registry?

All the program files and registry values are removed by the
uninstaller, which I presume you have run.  If you want to delete your
data files, then you will need to do that manually.  FAQ 3.5 explains
where the data files can be found:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#can-i-back-up-the-outlook-database-should
-i-d
o-this>

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun 15 05:36:47 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:36:47 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Uninstall Spambayes
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E8031943D6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F77A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I performed all the 
> instructions and deleted all SpamBayes files on the C drive 
> but the Junk E-Mail folder still appears on Outlook

As I said, this is a regular Outlook folder (unless you are using Outlook
2003, in which case it's a protected Outlook folder, and will always be
there whether you have ever installed SpamBayes or not).  Delete it like any
other folder, as explained in the previous message.

> and the toolbar is still there as well.

The FAQ explains how to delete the toolbar:

"""
[R]ight-click on the toolbar, choose "Customize", then select the SpamBayes
toolbar and click "Delete".
"""

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun 15 05:37:44 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:37:44 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] messages disappeared
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E8031943D3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB029C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> All the messages in my "certain" box has disappeared while
> I was using the fonction "delete as spam" in my "uncertain" box. 

Please see FAQ 3.12:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#some-of-my-mail-is-going-missing>

=Tony.Meyer

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From python at venix.com  Wed Jun 15 15:27:24 2005
From: python at venix.com (Python)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:27:24 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Are you looking for people to test the DBRecovery issue?
Message-ID: <1118842044.12411.7.camel@www.venix.com>

I am running Fedora 3 with Evolution and SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version
1.1a1 (April 2005).

I now get the BDRunRecoveryError error every few days.
DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database
recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery')


-- 
Lloyd Kvam
Venix Corp


From jamie at cs.org  Wed Jun 15 15:27:53 2005
From: jamie at cs.org (Jamie Brown)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:27:53 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes virus setting
Message-ID: <002e01c571ae$09197a40$6200000a@web>

I am using SpamBayes and enjoy it greatly. My big concern before I install
it on all the computers in my office is that it seems to automatically open
messages with viruses. We use Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition. 

 

I am concerned because if we get sent a virus that is not yet in the
definition file SpamBayes may open it and infect the computer.

 

Is there some way to change this?

 

Thanks,

 

Jamie Brown

Cultural Survival

Web Development

jamie at cs.org

617.441.5407

http://www.cs.org <http://www.cs.org/> 

 

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From chrisbold at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 15 15:38:14 2005
From: chrisbold at yahoo.com (Chris Boldiston)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:38:14 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] exchange "problems"
Message-ID: <20050615133819.533CD1E403D@bag.python.org>

Hi

 

First a work of thanks - I have been using and recommending SpamBayes for
about 2 years and it has been terrific! About 12 months ago I got a new
laptop with XP Pro and Outlook 2003. I initially used the Outlook built in
spam filtering but the darned product just did not work. I get about 150
spams per day and it's critical that I don't miss any ham - the Outlook
product let me down so I went back to SpamBayes.

 

Its all been running perfectly for about 10 months - I NEVER get spam in my
Inbox and usually have 4 or 5 Junk Suspects. A few weeks ago I configured
Outlook to connect to exchange over my new VPN and started getting spam in
my Inbox.  I changed SpamBayes configuration to enable Background Filtering
and have Process Start Delay of 1.5 secs and Delay of .5 secs configured. I
am still getting spam in my Inbox. The stats for today are;

 

SpamBayes processed 130 messages - 13 (10%) good, 104 (80%) spam and 13
(10%) unsure

1 message was manually classified as good (with 0 being false positives)

75 messages were manually classified as being spam

 

Do you have any suggestions on what I can do to get SpamBayes to behave?

 

Thanks!

Chris

 

Skype ID - chrisbold
MSN Messenger ID - chrisbold at hotmail.com 

 

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From Anna.Carbonell at smhgroup.com  Wed Jun 15 15:38:23 2005
From: Anna.Carbonell at smhgroup.com (Anna Carbonell)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:38:23 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Uninstall Spambayes
Message-ID: <A11AA80A2EC00C4E9A55C772F9A704FC014554F0@nywmail01.whitefordadvisors.com>

Hi Tony:

I guess there is no way to delete the Junk E-Mail folder because the
delete option is grayed out and unavailable.  

Thanks for you help.

Anna 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:37 PM
To: Anna Carbonell; spambayes at python.org
Cc: Mike Rosen
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Uninstall Spambayes

> I performed all the
> instructions and deleted all SpamBayes files on the C drive but the 
> Junk E-Mail folder still appears on Outlook

As I said, this is a regular Outlook folder (unless you are using
Outlook 2003, in which case it's a protected Outlook folder, and will
always be there whether you have ever installed SpamBayes or not).
Delete it like any other folder, as explained in the previous message.

> and the toolbar is still there as well.

The FAQ explains how to delete the toolbar:

"""
[R]ight-click on the toolbar, choose "Customize", then select the
SpamBayes toolbar and click "Delete".
"""

=Tony.Meyer

--
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Jun 15 15:43:11 2005
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:43:11 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes virus setting
In-Reply-To: <002e01c571ae$09197a40$6200000a@web>
References: <002e01c571ae$09197a40$6200000a@web>
Message-ID: <17072.12399.574277.188035@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Jamie> I am using SpamBayes and enjoy it greatly. My big concern before
    Jamie> I install it on all the computers in my office is that it seems
    Jamie> to automatically open messages with viruses. We use Symantec
    Jamie> AntiVirus Corporate Edition.

    Jamie> I am concerned because if we get sent a virus that is not yet in
    Jamie> the definition file SpamBayes may open it and infect the
    Jamie> computer.

Opening a file and reading it doesn't infect your computer.  That happens
when the virus program is executed, either manually by the person reading
the message or automatically by software that's been configured to
automatically execute files of certain types.  SpamBayes *never* executes
any of the messages it reads and analyzes.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
skip at pobox.com

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Jun 15 16:47:53 2005
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:47:53 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Are you looking for people to test the DBRecovery
	issue?
In-Reply-To: <1118842044.12411.7.camel@www.venix.com>
References: <1118842044.12411.7.camel@www.venix.com>
Message-ID: <17072.16281.910692.512425@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Lloyd> I am running Fedora 3 with Evolution and SpamBayes POP3 Proxy
    Lloyd> Version 1.1a1 (April 2005).

    Lloyd> I now get the BDRunRecoveryError error every few days.

This seems very unusual.  Are you updating the database with any other
program than the POP3 proxy?

Skip

From dennis at KeyWhere.net  Wed Jun 15 21:55:08 2005
From: dennis at KeyWhere.net (Dennis McGinn)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:55:08 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Stuck
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAYWbtLuY2NUapMXeWNOr7vsKAAAAQAAAAHCmwE7+lIUi8BrPVm5yi9wEAAAAA@KeyWhere.net>

I can see the spambayes toolbar but it is not active. Using XP SP2 OUtlook
2003, went to the Spambayes folder and deleted the configuration files (I
think) and re-started Outlook. No change - still not responding. Any ideas
other that re-installing? 
 
Dennis McGinn
Performance Analytics Inc.
259 Coleridge Avenue
Palo Alto, California
Direct  650 322-0600
Cell     650 996-9551
Fax     650 324-1968
 

IMPORTANT NOTICE -- The information transmitted is intended only for the
person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential
and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or
other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by
persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you
receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material
from any computer.

 


-- 
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Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.4/16 - Release Date: 6/15/2005
 
  
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 16 01:31:26 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:31:26 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Are you looking for people to test the DBRecovery
	issue?
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E8031944CC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02A4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I am running Fedora 3 with Evolution and SpamBayes POP3 Proxy 
> Version 1.1a1 (April 2005).
> 
> I now get the BDRunRecoveryError error every few days.
> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
> run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; 
> run recovery')

The 1.1a1 sb_server has major problems, and shouldn't be used.  This is
fixed in CVS, so it's best to use that or 1.0.4.

=Tony.Meyer

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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 16 01:33:23 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:33:23 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Stuck
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320D4B1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02A5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I can see the spambayes toolbar but it is not active. Using
> XP SP2 OUtlook 2003, went to the Spambayes folder and deleted
> the configuration files (I think) and re-started Outlook. No
> change - still not responding. Any ideas other that re-installing? 

Check to see if Outlook has disabled the plug-in.  Help->About Microsoft
Outlook->Disabled Items.

=Tony.Meyer

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From Mary.Massman at unisys.com  Thu Jun 16 15:00:10 2005
From: Mary.Massman at unisys.com (Massman, Mary D.)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:00:10 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5683E5DE4E228544BE4A4F13664743A7088E0291@USBB-EXCH2.na.uis.unisys.com>

I m getting a message that indicates some of the configuration may have
changed.  It directs me to the SpamBanes Manager.  I cannot find this.
Where is it?



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From jsp at PKC.com  Thu Jun 16 15:30:28 2005
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:30:28 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15514@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Assuming you're using the Outlook plugin, click the button labeled
"SpamBayes" in Outlook's toolbar and select "SpamBayes Manager..." from
the menu that drops down. If that doesn't work, or if you need further
help, please specify which variety and version of SpamBayes you're using
(for instance "Outlook plugin version 1.0.4") along with more specifics
(such as the text of the message you're getting) in a follow-up message.


________________________________

	From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Massman,
Mary D.
	Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:00 AM
	To: spambayes at python.org
	Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
	
	

	I m getting a message that indicates some of the configuration
may have changed.  It directs me to the SpamBanes Manager.  I cannot
find this.  Where is it?

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From fredj at tel-assist.com  Thu Jun 16 17:19:09 2005
From: fredj at tel-assist.com (Fred Jurinek)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:19:09 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem w/Spambays
Message-ID: <001001c57286$bed918d0$9564a8c0@schuld.local>

1. I cannot access the Junk Suspects folder. When I try, I get the message
"Unable to display the folder". Meanwhile, files keep going into the Junk
Suspects folder and I cannot access them
2. When I highlight the files I want to be sent to the Junk folder and
select the "Delete as Spam" button, nothing happens.


From gridtech at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 17 05:52:15 2005
From: gridtech at earthlink.net (Kirby Holte)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:52:15 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Reset Spambayes
Message-ID: <EIEJKMAIOAONPGELGDMPGEHFCEAA.gridtech@earthlink.net>

The filter is sending essentially all of my email into the junk email
folder.  Worse
 some of the messages are disappearing entirely.  I
accidentally deleted the Junk Suspects folder and created a new one so that
may be part of my problem.  Anyway, I want to reset everything back to
ground zero then retrain.  How do I do that?

Kirby
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From vys0 at epf.pl  Fri Jun 17 18:00:41 2005
From: vys0 at epf.pl (Vys0)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:00:41 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Configuring sb_server for not :110 servers (995,
	TLS) <> Errors in DB
Message-ID: <200506171800.41447.vys0@epf.pl>

Hello, I am new to this list - I tried to search a bit archive, but did not 
succeed ;/

Linux (Aurox 10.2 based on RH), KMail 1.7.2 (KDE 3.3.210.2aur-3), Spambayes 
1.1a1

What concerns me are two problems:

1) how to configure Spambayes to be able to get mails from servers, that 
communicate with mail-client not on 110 port - but on 995, for example.
Writing host with example.host.com:995 does not work
example.host.com 995 neither

I need this as one of servers I use for e-mails does only allow TLS 
connection, on 995 port.

2) and here comes another.
Yesterday I set up all the stuff, it worked fine. Switched the machine off. 
Turned it on today - launched sb_server.py - launched KMail .. and got lots 
of errors in console window, with lots of /python paths, ending with DBError 
run recovery -- PANIC, or something like this 
-----------
[vys0 at agnich spambayes-1.1a1]$ sb_server.py
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.1a1 (April 2005)

Loading database... User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1096, in ?
    run()
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1090, in run
    start()
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1025, in start
    main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state.launchUI)
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1005, in main
    Dibbler.run(launchBrowser=launchUI)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 727, in 
run
    asyncore.loop(map=context._map)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 193, in loop
    poll_fun(timeout, map)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 108, in poll
    r, w, e = select.select(r, w, e, timeout)
KeyboardInterrupt
-------------------
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 564, in onRetr
    msg.addSBHeaders(prob, clues)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 452, in 
addSBHeaders
    self.RememberClassification(disposition)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 401, in 
RememberClassification
    self.modified()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 377, in 
modified
    self.message_info_db.store_msg(self)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 181, in 
store_msg
    self.db[msg.getDBKey()] = attributes
  File "/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/shelve.py", line 
130, in __setitem__
    self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()
  File 
"/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", 
line 120, in __setitem__
DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database 
recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument')

Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region <bound method 
MessageInfoDB.__del__ of <spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 
0xb147b38c>> ignored
Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region  ignored
Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region  ignored
Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region <bound method 
MessageInfoDB.__del__ of <spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 
0xb14761ec>> ignored
Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region  ignored
--------------------
something like that ...

I stopped server (with Ctrl+C). I cd'ed to ~/spambayes ... and there were no 
files it should have created. So I had to rebuild the whole database from the 
scratch. Hopefully it will work fine this time, and survive powering off the 
machine.
What could have caused such an error ?


I appreciate all your help, sorry if this was spoken about already.

-- 
Greetings,
Piotr 'Vys0' Budny

From python at venix.com  Fri Jun 17 19:39:20 2005
From: python at venix.com (Python)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:39:20 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Configuring sb_server for not :110 servers (995,
	TLS) <> Errors in DB
In-Reply-To: <200506171800.41447.vys0@epf.pl>
References: <200506171800.41447.vys0@epf.pl>
Message-ID: <1119029960.24973.48.camel@www.venix.com>

I was advised to downgrade to version 1.0.4 (or use the CVS version)
when I reported DBRunRecoveryError's.  The thread was earlier this
month.  ([Spambayes] Are you looking for people to test the DBRecovery
issue?)

I do not know what a TLS connection is, so I have no suggestions for
your server connection problem.


On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 18:00 +0200, Vys0 wrote:
> Hello, I am new to this list - I tried to search a bit archive, but did not 
> succeed ;/
> 
> Linux (Aurox 10.2 based on RH), KMail 1.7.2 (KDE 3.3.210.2aur-3), Spambayes 
> 1.1a1
> 
> What concerns me are two problems:
> 
> 1) how to configure Spambayes to be able to get mails from servers, that 
> communicate with mail-client not on 110 port - but on 995, for example.
> Writing host with example.host.com:995 does not work
> example.host.com 995 neither
> 
> I need this as one of servers I use for e-mails does only allow TLS 
> connection, on 995 port.
> 
> 2) and here comes another.
> Yesterday I set up all the stuff, it worked fine. Switched the machine off. 
> Turned it on today - launched sb_server.py - launched KMail .. and got lots 
> of errors in console window, with lots of /python paths, ending with DBError 
> run recovery -- PANIC, or something like this 
> -----------
> [vys0 at agnich spambayes-1.1a1]$ sb_server.py
> SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.1a1 (April 2005)
> 
> Loading database... User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1096, in ?
>     run()
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1090, in run
>     start()
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1025, in start
>     main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state.launchUI)
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1005, in main
>     Dibbler.run(launchBrowser=launchUI)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 727, in 
> run
>     asyncore.loop(map=context._map)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 193, in loop
>     poll_fun(timeout, map)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 108, in poll
>     r, w, e = select.select(r, w, e, timeout)
> KeyboardInterrupt
> -------------------
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 564, in onRetr
>     msg.addSBHeaders(prob, clues)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 452, in 
> addSBHeaders
>     self.RememberClassification(disposition)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 401, in 
> RememberClassification
>     self.modified()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 377, in 
> modified
>     self.message_info_db.store_msg(self)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 181, in 
> store_msg
>     self.db[msg.getDBKey()] = attributes
>   File "/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/shelve.py", line 
> 130, in __setitem__
>     self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()
>   File 
> "/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", 
> line 120, in __setitem__
> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database 
> recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument')
> 
> Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
> run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region <bound method 
> MessageInfoDB.__del__ of <spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 
> 0xb147b38c>> ignored
> Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
> run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region  ignored
> Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
> run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region  ignored
> Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
> run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region <bound method 
> MessageInfoDB.__del__ of <spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 
> 0xb14761ec>> ignored
> Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
> run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region  ignored
> --------------------
> something like that ...
> 
> I stopped server (with Ctrl+C). I cd'ed to ~/spambayes ... and there were no 
> files it should have created. So I had to rebuild the whole database from the 
> scratch. Hopefully it will work fine this time, and survive powering off the 
> machine.
> What could have caused such an error ?
> 
> 
> I appreciate all your help, sorry if this was spoken about already.
> 
> -- 
> Greetings,
> Piotr 'Vys0' Budny
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
-- 
Lloyd Kvam
Venix Corp


From shoyer at gmail.com  Sat Jun 18 03:33:15 2005
From: shoyer at gmail.com (Stephan Hoyer)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:33:15 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Dealing with devious spam
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1119057827.31770.spambayes@python.org>
References: <mailman.0.1119057827.31770.spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <90e6dadd05061718334bbe0f63@mail.gmail.com>

I am getting a certain type of especially devious spam (see message below). 
The spam not only tricks outlook into displaying an advertising image 
automatically (without asking permission first), but it also evades 
SpamBeyes because it tosses in a long junk message. I can only find a few 
identifiers that are always found in this spam:

'to:addr:nkk' 0.973373 0 8
'e-mail?' 0.981928 0 12

I would like to manually edit my SpamBeyes database, so I can give this 
tokens manually a spam count of say, 1000. That way, these messages should 
get sent away no matter how much junk text they have.

I tried looking at the file, but it's not a simple text.

If anyone has tips on how to do this, I would appreciate their help.

Thanks,
Stephan

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From HerbM at LearnQuick.Com  Sat Jun 18 04:47:36 2005
From: HerbM at LearnQuick.Com (Herb Martin)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:47:36 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Dealing with devious spam
In-Reply-To: <90e6dadd05061718334bbe0f63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF6DBE7E39@mail.learnquick.com>

It's that CID: stuff -- nothing but an embedded picture
(not really an 'attachment' in the Message sense even.)
 
I too would like a reliable way to filter it -- but the problem
is if your relatives embed a picture of their family or friends
we would catch that too if we filter on naive tags like "CID:"
 
Maybe someone else has a good idea....
 
This isn't really likely to be a good job for SpamBayes NOR for
straight pattern matchers -- this kind of stuff needs a full spectrum
multi-filter like SpamAssassin to have a high probability of
blocking it without getting false positives.
 
--
Herb
 
=============
 I am getting a certain type of especially devious spam (see message below).
The spam not only tricks outlook into displaying an advertising image
automatically (without asking permission first), but it also evades
SpamBeyes because it tosses in a long junk message. I can only find a few
identifiers that are always found in this spam:

'to:addr:nkk'                       0.973373            0      8
'e-mail?'                           0.981928            0     12

I would like to manually edit my SpamBeyes database, so I can give this
tokens manually a spam count of say, 1000. That way, these messages should
get sent away no matter how much junk text they have.

I tried looking at the file, but it's not a simple text.

If anyone has tips on how to do this, I would appreciate their help.

Thanks,
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From skip at pobox.com  Sat Jun 18 04:59:36 2005
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:59:36 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Dealing with devious spam
In-Reply-To: <90e6dadd05061718334bbe0f63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.0.1119057827.31770.spambayes@python.org>
	<90e6dadd05061718334bbe0f63@mail.gmail.com>
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    Stephan> I am getting a certain type of especially devious spam (see
    Stephan> message below).  The spam not only tricks outlook into
    Stephan> displaying an advertising image automatically (without asking
    Stephan> permission first), but it also evades SpamBeyes because it
    Stephan> tosses in a long junk message. I can only find a few
    Stephan> identifiers that are always found in this spam:

    Stephan> 'to:addr:nkk' 0.973373 0 8
    Stephan> 'e-mail?' 0.981928 0 12

Just train on these messages.  You might have to train on a couple of them,
but assuming your database doesn't have any mistakes (hams mistakenly
trained as spam or vice versa), SB should begin picking them up quite
consistently.

    Stephan> I would like to manually edit my SpamBeyes database, 

Trust me, you almost certainly don't want to do that.  None of the
developers have found that necessary.  You are probably just seeing a
slightly new twist and need to feed some examples to SB.

Skip

From postmaster at tnet.it  Sat Jun 18 22:21:35 2005
From: postmaster at tnet.it (Postmaster T.net S.p.A.)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:21:35 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] You sent potentially unsafe content: Document
Message-ID: <B0029168434@tnetfarm.it>



You sent a message that contained potentially
harmful content.

Original message recipient(s):
    italia_salute at tnet.it


Scan report:
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From skip at pobox.com  Sun Jun 19 01:01:58 2005
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:01:58 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Dealing with devious spam
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References: <17075.36376.990278.460707@montanaro.dyndns.org>
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(Best to keep the mailing list cc'd for such discussions.  You'll get a lot
more brain power applied to your problem.)

    Stephan> The only thing is, I've already trained it on a dozen of these
    Stephan> messages. I think it's because it has too much other junk stuff
    Stephan> that looks like a real message. SpamBayes isn't picking them
    Stephan> up, and that's worrying me.

Let's do a little diagnosis.  Do you have the individual ham/spam scores
from one of these messages?  Have you saved one of these messages?  If so,
can you send it to the list?  (Save it to a file, zip the file, then attach
it to a message.  SB ignores binary attachments, so should be little chance
that it will wind up in anyone's spambox.)  What are the properties of your
current training database?  How many ham?  How many spam?

Once we have that sort of information, we can begin to make an educated
guess at why SB isn't scoring these messages properly for you.

Skip


From claude_jones at levitjames.com  Sun Jun 19 01:32:31 2005
From: claude_jones at levitjames.com (Claude Jones)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:32:31 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] error starting sb_server
Message-ID: <42B4AF0F.30508@levitjames.com>

$ python scripts/sb_server.py -b
Segmentation fault

This is what I'm getting after an update from FC3 to FC4. Is anyone else 
experiencing this? Have you found a fix?

-- 
Claude Jones
Bluemont, VA, USA


From brett at brettbrewer.com  Sun Jun 19 08:03:55 2005
From: brett at brettbrewer.com (brett@brettbrewer.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 02:03:55 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: Not detecting POP3 sessions.
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I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) (binary),
with version 2.3.5 (#62, Feb  8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit
(Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service
Pack 2).  I have trained 0 ham and 0 spam.

The problem I am having is Spambayes doesn't seem to see any pop
sessions. I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird with brettbrewer.com as my
POP3 address on port 110. These are the settings in my mail client and
in SpamBayes. Could Norton Antivirus 2005 have anything to do with it?

From vys0 at epf.pl  Sun Jun 19 14:13:20 2005
From: vys0 at epf.pl (Vys0)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:13:20 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Ver 1.0.4 (downgrade from 1.1a1) sb_server.py start
	error
Message-ID: <200506191413.20154.vys0@epf.pl>

Hi,
as I lost my database again (using 1.1a1) I tried to downgrade to 1.0.4 today.
DL'ed the tar.gz file, untared, made:
python setup.py build ---> OK
python setup.py install ---> got erros with write permissions - "su -" and 
python setup.py install again - this time everything seemed to be OK. Got 
back to normal user (with "exit").
Tried to run the server - and got this:

[vys0 at agnich ~]$ sb_server.py
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005)
and engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004).

Loading database... User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 991, in ?
    run()
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 985, in run
    start()
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 922, in start
    main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state.launchUI)
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 900, in main
    proxyUI = ProxyUserInterface(state, _recreateState)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/ProxyUI.py", line 168, in 
__init__
    proxy_state.lang_manager,
AttributeError: State instance has no attribute 'lang_manager'

-----------
any hints ?

From diho at unlimitedmail.org  Sun Jun 19 18:23:22 2005
From: diho at unlimitedmail.org (Dick Hoogendoorn)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:23:22 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a2?.
Message-ID: <997425245.20050619182322@unlimitedmail.org>

Hello,

Soon after 1.1a1 was released I start using it but after a few days I had to give up because of db corruptions. Lately, I've seen more complaints of people using 1.1a1 and they were all advised to go back to 1.04. Well, if everybody is going back to 1.04, there are probably not be many alpha testers left.

Anybody having an idea when 1.1a2uy 




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From diho at unlimitedmail.org  Sun Jun 19 18:26:09 2005
From: diho at unlimitedmail.org (Dick Hoogendoorn)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:26:09 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a2?. oops something went wrong and the
	message was gone before I finished...apologies
Message-ID: <915601515.20050619182609@unlimitedmail.org>

Hello,

Soon after 1.1a1 was released I start using it but after a few days I had to give up because of db corruptions. Lately, I've seen more complaints of people using 1.1a1 and they were all advised to go back to 1.04. Well, if everybody is going back to 1.04, there are probably not be many alpha testers left.

Anybody having an idea when 1.1a2 or 1.1b1 (or whatever the name will be)  is going to be released in order to get some testers again?

Best regards,
 Dick
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only non-smoker, despite the number of fans. If there are two
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From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Mon Jun 20 04:29:41 2005
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:29:41 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] exchange "problems"
Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C3D5@SPIKE.city>

When that happens, be sure to filter the inbox again. Spambayes leaves spam in my inbox rather often. But when it leaves a lot (sometimes fifty messages or more), filtering again often sweeps up most of it. It appears that under some circumstances Spambayes just quits filtering, but the retry proves that failure to recognize the messages as spam isn't the problem. This may or may not be related to the timing problems that motivated the addition of the "background filtering" feature, but it has been very persistent through several versions of Spambayes. It doesn't get worse from version to version, but it doesn't get better either.
 
I use Spambayes with Exchange at work and with a POP3 server at home. Most of the failure to filter occurs with the POP3 server, but that may just be because a server-side spam filter vacuums up most of our incoming spam at work before Exchange (or Spambayes) ever sees it. 

Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Chris Boldiston
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:38 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] exchange "problems"



Hi

 

First a work of thanks - I have been using and recommending SpamBayes for about 2 years and it has been terrific! About 12 months ago I got a new laptop with XP Pro and Outlook 2003. I initially used the Outlook built in spam filtering but the darned product just did not work. I get about 150 spams per day and it's critical that I don't miss any ham - the Outlook product let me down so I went back to SpamBayes.

 

Its all been running perfectly for about 10 months - I NEVER get spam in my Inbox and usually have 4 or 5 Junk Suspects. A few weeks ago I configured Outlook to connect to exchange over my new VPN and started getting spam in my Inbox.  I changed SpamBayes configuration to enable Background Filtering and have Process Start Delay of 1.5 secs and Delay of .5 secs configured. I am still getting spam in my Inbox. The stats for today are;

 

SpamBayes processed 130 messages - 13 (10%) good, 104 (80%) spam and 13 (10%) unsure

1 message was manually classified as good (with 0 being false positives)

75 messages were manually classified as being spam

 

Do you have any suggestions on what I can do to get SpamBayes to behave?

 

Thanks!

Chris

 

Skype ID - chrisbold
MSN Messenger ID - chrisbold at hotmail.com 

 

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From shoyer at gmail.com  Mon Jun 20 07:04:21 2005
From: shoyer at gmail.com (Stephan Hoyer)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:04:21 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Dealing with devious spam
In-Reply-To: <17076.42982.102960.738662@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <42b64e5d.3d7417fd.1628.4a28@mx.gmail.com>

Alright, I've attached the latest one of these spam messages I have received
along with the SpamBayes report which shows the amount of spam/ham I have
(881/2828), the full message including headers and the values for individual
tokens.

Stephan

-----Original Message-----
From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip at pobox.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 4:02 PM
To: Stephan Hoyer
Cc: spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Dealing with devious spam


(Best to keep the mailing list cc'd for such discussions.  You'll get a lot
more brain power applied to your problem.)

    Stephan> The only thing is, I've already trained it on a dozen of these
    Stephan> messages. I think it's because it has too much other junk stuff
    Stephan> that looks like a real message. SpamBayes isn't picking them
    Stephan> up, and that's worrying me.

Let's do a little diagnosis.  Do you have the individual ham/spam scores
from one of these messages?  Have you saved one of these messages?  If so,
can you send it to the list?  (Save it to a file, zip the file, then attach
it to a message.  SB ignores binary attachments, so should be little chance
that it will wind up in anyone's spambox.)  What are the properties of your
current training database?  How many ham?  How many spam?

Once we have that sort of information, we can begin to make an educated
guess at why SB isn't scoring these messages properly for you.

Skip
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 20 07:12:25 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:12:25 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Configuring sb_server for not :110 servers (995,
	TLS) <> Errors in DB
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320DC7C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 1) how to configure Spambayes to be able to get mails from 
> servers, that communicate with mail-client not on 110 port -
> but on 995, for example.
> Writing host with example.host.com:995 does not work
> example.host.com 995 neither

You need to set the "pop3proxy":"use_ssl" option to "automatic" (or True).
This should get POP3 over SSL working with 1.1a1.  Note that this is new in
1.1, and so needs more testing.  It works here, though.  However, see below:

> 2) and here comes another.
> Yesterday I set up all the stuff, it worked fine. Switched 
> the machine off. 
> Turned it on today - launched sb_server.py - launched KMail 
> .. and got lots 
> of errors in console window, with lots of /python paths, 
> ending with DBError 
> run recovery -- PANIC, or something like this 
[...]

As someone else said, 1.1a1 contains a significant bug with sb_server, so it
shouldn't be used.  You can use 1.0.4 (get rid of the dead databases) and it
should be fine.  This leaves you without the SSL support, of course.  So you
have two options:

  1.  Use 1.0.4 and something like stunnel: see
<http://www.engelassociates.net/email.html> for an example.

  2.  Use source from CVS (where the 1.1a1 is fixed).

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 20 07:16:00 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:16:00 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Ver 1.0.4 (downgrade from 1.1a1) sb_server.py
	starterror
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320DF68@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02B1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> as I lost my database again (using 1.1a1) I tried to 
> downgrade to 1.0.4 today.
[...]
> Tried to run the server - and got this:
[...]
> AttributeError: State instance has no attribute 'lang_manager'

I think that distutils (the thing that the setup.py script runs) won't
overwrite the module if the version is newer.  Try using "--force", e.g.:

   python setup.py install --force

And that should solve the problem.  (You'll need to do this as a user with
write access to the Python lib directory, unless you install elsewhere).

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 20 07:14:27 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:14:27 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: Not detecting POP3
	sessions.
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320DF67@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02B0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The problem I am having is Spambayes doesn't seem to see any 
> pop sessions. I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird with 
> brettbrewer.com as my POP3 address on port 110. These are the 
> settings in my mail client and in SpamBayes.

You need to change your settings in Thunderbird to connect to "localhost"
(no quotes) instead of brettbrewer.com.  SpamBayes acts as a proxy (in other
words, Thunderbird connects to it, and it connects to the mail server).

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 20 07:19:52 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:19:52 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a2?. oops something went wrong and
	themessage was gone before I finished...apologies
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320DF6B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02B2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Soon after 1.1a1 was released I start using it but after a 
> few days I had to give up because of db corruptions. Lately, 
> I've seen more complaints of people using 1.1a1 and they were 
> all advised to go back to 1.04. Well, if everybody is going 
> back to 1.04, there are probably not be many alpha testers left.

That is true for sb_server, yes.  OTOH, there haven't been any reports of
problems with the Outlook plug-in, or the IMAP filter.  (I haven't had time
to look at whether it seems likely that there are many such testers,
though).

> Anybody having an idea when 1.1a2 or 1.1b1 (or whatever the 
> name will be)  is going to be released in order to get some 
> testers again?

It'll be 1.1a2, FWIW.  I really can't see myself having time to do this for
about three weeks.  I don't think that there's anyone else in the
development team that can spare the time right now, either.  There is 1.0.4,
of course, which works fine (for the most part <wink>).

However, if there really are a large number of people that would like to
test 1.1's sb_server, and want to do it now, then let me know and I'll find
time to build a binary of what's in CVS at the moment.  It'll have the fix
for the main sb_server problem, anyway, even if it doesn't have other things
we'd like to have done.

=Tony.Meyer

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From vys0 at epf.pl  Mon Jun 20 08:52:55 2005
From: vys0 at epf.pl (Vys0)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:52:55 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Ver 1.0.4 (downgrade from 1.1a1) sb_server.py
	starterror
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02B1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02B1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200506200852.55575.vys0@epf.pl>

Dnia poniedzia?ek, 20 czerwca 2005 07:16, napisa?e?:

> > as I lost my database again (using 1.1a1) I tried to
> > downgrade to 1.0.4 today.
>
> [...]
>
> > Tried to run the server - and got this:
>
> [...]
>
> > AttributeError: State instance has no attribute 'lang_manager'
>
> I think that distutils (the thing that the setup.py script runs) won't
> overwrite the module if the version is newer.  Try using "--force", e.g.:
>
>    python setup.py install --force
>
> And that should solve the problem.  (You'll need to do this as a user with
> write access to the Python lib directory, unless you install elsewhere).
>
> =Tony.Meyer

Thx, this worked fine, as far as sb_server is concerned. It owerwrote the 
files (list of changes was longer than without --force switch).
Anyway - server started. Finally. Without database (as I deleted all files).
So I launched the commandline learning (as I have my spam saved into files):

-----------------------
[vys0 at agnich spambayes-1.0.4]$ sb_mboxtrain.py -g ~/tmp/ham1 -g ~/tmp/ham2 -g 
~/tmp/ham3 -g ~/tmp/ham4 -g ~/tmp/ham5 -s ~/tmp/spam
Training ham (/home/vys0/tmp/ham1):
  Reading as Unix mbox
  Trained 0 out of 19 messages
Training ham (/home/vys0/tmp/ham2):
  Reading as Unix mbox
  Trained 0 out of 23 messages
Training ham (/home/vys0/tmp/ham3):
  Reading as Unix mbox
  Trained 0 out of 18 messages
Training ham (/home/vys0/tmp/ham4):
  Reading as Unix mbox
  Trained 0 out of 12 messages
Training ham (/home/vys0/tmp/ham5):
  Reading as Unix mbox
  Trained 0 out of 4 messages
Training spam (/home/vys0/tmp/spam):
  Reading as Unix mbox
  Trained 0 out of 254 messages
-----------------------

Strange - I worked on those files before, and they were OK. Spambayes was able 
to learn on them. What could be the reason? Files were created in KMail, 
using "save" option - these are plain TXT files, with FROM: starting in a new 
line.

And, as for CVS version - will it overwrite "corrupted" files? As I use 1.0.4 
ATM - will it work fine with this version ? :>
I am quite new to Linux, so bear with me :) if this is trivial to all of you.

Thank you in advance.

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 20 09:01:24 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:01:24 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Ver 1.0.4 (downgrade from 1.1a1)
	sb_server.pystarterror
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320E37C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F77E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> So I launched the commandline 
> learning (as I have my spam saved into files):
> 
> -----------------------
> [vys0 at agnich spambayes-1.0.4]$ sb_mboxtrain.py -g ~/tmp/ham1 
> -g ~/tmp/ham2 -g 
> ~/tmp/ham3 -g ~/tmp/ham4 -g ~/tmp/ham5 -s ~/tmp/spam
> Training ham (/home/vys0/tmp/ham1):
>   Reading as Unix mbox
>   Trained 0 out of 19 messages
[...]
> Strange - I worked on those files before, and they were OK. 
> Spambayes was able to learn on them. What could be the reason?

I don't use sb_mboxtrain myself, but I believe it rewrites the mboxes that
it reads with "X-Spambayes-Trained" headers, so that it knows which messages
it has trained.  Try using the "-f" switch to force training:

    sb_mboxtrain.py -f -g ~/tmp/ham1 -g ~/tmp/ham2 -g ~/tmp/ham3 -g
~/tmp/ham4 -g ~/tmp/ham5 -s ~/tmp/spam

BTW, bulk training may not give the best results.
<http://entrian.com/sbwiki/TrainingIdeas> has a lot more details.

> And, as for CVS version - will it overwrite "corrupted" 
> files? As I use 1.0.4 
> ATM - will it work fine with this version ? :>

I'm not sure exactly what you mean - could you elaborate?  1.0.4 should work
fine.  If you later upgrade to 1.1 or CVS, it should use your existing
configuration/training without any work on your part.

=Tony.Meyer

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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From vys0 at epf.pl  Mon Jun 20 09:05:46 2005
From: vys0 at epf.pl (Vys0)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:05:46 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Configuring sb_server for not :110 servers (995,
	TLS) <> Errors in DB
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200506200905.46896.vys0@epf.pl>

Dnia poniedzia?ek, 20 czerwca 2005 07:12, Tony Meyer napisa?:
> > 1) how to configure Spambayes to be able to get mails from
> > servers, that communicate with mail-client not on 110 port -
> > but on 995, for example.
> > Writing host with example.host.com:995 does not work
> > example.host.com 995 neither
>
> You need to set the "pop3proxy":"use_ssl" option to "automatic" (or True).
> This should get POP3 over SSL working with 1.1a1.  Note that this is new in
> 1.1, and so needs more testing.  It works here, though.  However, see below:

will try this one, if ever I get that thing working :)

> > 2) and here comes another.
> > Yesterday I set up all the stuff, it worked fine. Switched
> > the machine off.
> > Turned it on today - launched sb_server.py - launched KMail
> > .. and got lots
> > of errors in console window, with lots of /python paths,
> > ending with DBError
> > run recovery -- PANIC, or something like this
>
> [...]
>
> As someone else said, 1.1a1 contains a significant bug with sb_server, so
> it shouldn't be used.  You can use 1.0.4 (get rid of the dead databases)
> and it should be fine.  This leaves you without the SSL support, of course.
>  So you have two options:
>
>   1.  Use 1.0.4 and something like stunnel: see
> <http://www.engelassociates.net/email.html> for an example.
>
>   2.  Use source from CVS (where the 1.1a1 is fixed).
>
> =Tony.Meyer

Tried to do it:
cvs'ed using commands from http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/spambayes/ as 
module giving "spambayes" without ""
It created new dir in my spambayes1.0.4 dir.
So I cd'ed there. Made setup.py build. Made setup.py install -- force (with 
"su" to be able to write to needed dirs).
Launched sb_server.py (it was 1.1a1 again). And ended with that:

-------------------------
[vys0 at agnich spambayes]$ sb_server.py
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.1a1 (April 2005)

Loading database... User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
Loading database... Listener on port 1210 is proxying www.maximail.pl:110
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1096, in ?
    run()
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1090, in run
    start()
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1025, in start
    main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state.launchUI)
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1005, in main
    Dibbler.run(launchBrowser=launchUI)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 727, in 
run
    asyncore.loop(map=context._map)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 193, in loop
    poll_fun(timeout, map)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 108, in poll
    r, w, e = select.select(r, w, e, timeout)
KeyboardInterrupt
----------------------
I did Ctrl+C to quit.
NOTE: I have had same error before I did use CVS, with 1.0.4 :/
What am I doing wrong ? :(

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 20 09:12:23 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:12:23 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Configuring sb_server for not :110 servers (995,
	TLS) <> Errors in DB
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320E38A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F780@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Launched sb_server.py (it was 1.1a1 again). And ended with that:
> 
> -------------------------
> [vys0 at agnich spambayes]$ sb_server.py
> SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.1a1 (April 2005)
> 
> Loading database... User interface url is 
> http://localhost:8880/ Loading database... Listener on port 
> 1210 is proxying www.maximail.pl:110 Traceback (most recent 
> call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1096, in ?
>     run()
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1090, in run
>     start()
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1025, in start
>     main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, 
> state.launchUI)
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 1005, in main
>     Dibbler.run(launchBrowser=launchUI)
>   File 
> "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 727, in 
> run
>     asyncore.loop(map=context._map)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 193, in loop
>     poll_fun(timeout, map)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 108, in poll
>     r, w, e = select.select(r, w, e, timeout)
> KeyboardInterrupt
> ----------------------
> I did Ctrl+C to quit.
> NOTE: I have had same error before I did use CVS, with 1.0.4 
> :/ What am I doing wrong ? :( 

Nothing looks wrong here (it appears that everything was running fine, and
then you Ctrl-C'd it, which gives the traceback).  What happened when you
tried to use the proxy?

=Tony.Meyer

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From chrisbold at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 20 14:43:27 2005
From: chrisbold at yahoo.com (Chris Boldiston)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:43:27 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] exchange "problems"
In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C3D5@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <20050620124331.C80EE1E4003@bag.python.org>

Bob


Thanks for that information, I will try filering again and see if that
helps.


Regards,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Coe, Bob [mailto:rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV] 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:30 PM
To: Chris Boldiston
Cc: spambayes at Python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] exchange "problems"

When that happens, be sure to filter the inbox again. Spambayes leaves spam
in my inbox rather often. But when it leaves a lot (sometimes fifty messages
or more), filtering again often sweeps up most of it. It appears that under
some circumstances Spambayes just quits filtering, but the retry proves that
failure to recognize the messages as spam isn't the problem. This may or may
not be related to the timing problems that motivated the addition of the
"background filtering" feature, but it has been very persistent through
several versions of Spambayes. It doesn't get worse from version to version,
but it doesn't get better either.
 
I use Spambayes with Exchange at work and with a POP3 server at home. Most
of the failure to filter occurs with the POP3 server, but that may just be
because a server-side spam filter vacuums up most of our incoming spam at
work before Exchange (or Spambayes) ever sees it. 

Bob 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: spambayes-bounces at python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org]On Behalf Of Chris Boldiston
	Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:38 AM
	To: spambayes at python.org
	Subject: [Spambayes] exchange "problems"
	
	

	Hi

	 

	First a work of thanks - I have been using and recommending
SpamBayes for about 2 years and it has been terrific! About 12 months ago I
got a new laptop with XP Pro and Outlook 2003. I initially used the Outlook
built in spam filtering but the darned product just did not work. I get
about 150 spams per day and it's critical that I don't miss any ham - the
Outlook product let me down so I went back to SpamBayes.

	 

	Its all been running perfectly for about 10 months - I NEVER get
spam in my Inbox and usually have 4 or 5 Junk Suspects. A few weeks ago I
configured Outlook to connect to exchange over my new VPN and started
getting spam in my Inbox.  I changed SpamBayes configuration to enable
Background Filtering and have Process Start Delay of 1.5 secs and Delay of
.5 secs configured. I am still getting spam in my Inbox. The stats for today
are;

	 

	SpamBayes processed 130 messages - 13 (10%) good, 104 (80%) spam and
13 (10%) unsure

	1 message was manually classified as good (with 0 being false
positives)

	75 messages were manually classified as being spam

	 

	Do you have any suggestions on what I can do to get SpamBayes to
behave?

	 

	Thanks!

	Chris

	 

	Skype ID - chrisbold
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From cpittari at optonline.net  Mon Jun 20 14:51:41 2005
From: cpittari at optonline.net (Carl Pittari)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:51:41 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] possible spam folder
Message-ID: <BLECIAHJGPFELCGJKNMNAEPIMOAA.cpittari@optonline.net>

MY original possible spam folder was deleted and I added a new folder - the
possible spam does not go there - it resides in my inbox

How do I fix?


Carl

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From vys0 at epf.pl  Mon Jun 20 16:20:07 2005
From: vys0 at epf.pl (Vys0)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:20:07 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Configuring sb_server for not :110 servers (995,
	TLS) <> Errors in DB
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200506201620.08135.vys0@epf.pl>

Dnia poniedzia?ek, 20 czerwca 2005 07:12, Tony Meyer napisa?:
> > 1) how to configure Spambayes to be able to get mails from
> > servers, that communicate with mail-client not on 110 port -
> > but on 995, for example.
> > Writing host with example.host.com:995 does not work
> > example.host.com 995 neither
>
> You need to set the "pop3proxy":"use_ssl" option to "automatic" (or True).
> This should get POP3 over SSL working with 1.1a1.  Note that this is new in
>
> 1.1, and so needs more testing.  It works here, though.  However, see below:
 got it to work ... for a moment.
It got my email once, and after second try (without changing anything I got 
those:
in command line:
--------------------
[vys0 at agnich spambayes]$ sb_server.py
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.1a1 (April 2005)

Loading database... Listener on port 1210 is proxying www.maximail.pl:110
Listener on port 1211 is proxying zasp.zasp.pl:110
Listener on port 1212 is proxying hydral.com.pl:110
Listener on port 1213 is proxying nowyport.pl:110
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
Loading database... Listener on port 1210 is proxying www.maximail.pl:110
Listener on port 1211 is proxying zasp.zasp.pl:110
Listener on port 1212 is proxying hydral.com.pl:110
Listener on port 1213 is proxying nowyport.pl:110
Listener on port 1214 is proxying wiedzmin.org:110
Can't use SSL
Loading database... Listener on port 1210 is proxying www.maximail.pl:110
Listener on port 1211 is proxying zasp.zasp.pl:110
Listener on port 1212 is proxying hydral.com.pl:110
Listener on port 1213 is proxying nowyport.pl:110
Listener on port 1214 is proxying wiedzmin.org:995
Can't use SSL
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb76350cc> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb75b88ac> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb75b8b0c> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
Can't use SSL
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb759ce4c> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb76ebb4c> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
Can't use SSL
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb76ebf4c> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
Can't use SSL
Can't use SSL
Can't use SSL
Can't use SSL
Can't use SSL
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb489a9cc> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
Can't use SSL
Can't use SSL
Can't use SSL
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb77ce22c> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
-------------------------

and few error messages, 1 for each account, with connection error, like: 
~~(translation from Polish version)
~~Error connecting to 192.168.1.144 (localhost)
~~Server did not reply correctly/adequatly
~~pop [0.3.7] - Teaspoon stirs around again <1119276806.1105F321 at Llywellyn> 

Does option "use_ssl" enable - or ever force - using it for all configured 
servers?
Here is my .INI file:

[pop3proxy]
listen_ports:1210, 1211, 1212, 1213, 1214
remote_servers:www.maximail.pl, zasp.zasp.pl, hydral.com.pl, nowyport.pl, 
wiedzmin.org:995
use_ssl:True
[Storage]
cache_expiry_days:14
cache_use_gzip:True

If you could help me with this, I would appreciate. Switching to ssl/non_ssl 
ocnfig might be a bit ... tireying :) as I need one more SSL server with lots 
of mails to be added.

From BLorentzen at cvclt.org  Mon Jun 20 17:57:35 2005
From: BLorentzen at cvclt.org (Brooke Lorentzen)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:57:35 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] hi,
	I can't find the right program with the smiley buttons?
Message-ID: <0BE61DA1DAFC4744B1B38EC9B30B478004AB22@cvclt01.cvclt.local>

I don't understand why when I download an application that it is a
different program than before.

You had a download with smiley faces and I can't locate it now.  Please
help.

 

Brooke Lorentzen

Administrative Assistant

(802) 476-4493 Ext. 200

 

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From douglas.cohn at inetservers.com  Mon Jun 20 20:23:47 2005
From: douglas.cohn at inetservers.com (douglas cohn)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:23:47 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
Message-ID: <20050620182416.CF2131E4003@bag.python.org>

I have noticed some odd behavior with messages from JPSoft mailing list.

I use XP SP2 SpamBayes Outlook 2003 add-in 1.04.  Attached is log and error
message (Screen clip)

I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go
directing into Junk Folders.  Even after repeatedly recovering from spam
they still end up there.  I am guessing that the recovery applies to the
user and not the list.

Isn't there a way to whitelist certain addresses including mailing lists?

In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder for message.  I
believe that is because of the to: address being a newsgroup.  Also If I
click recover from spam I can no longer move that message to another folder.
I attached the error message I receive.  BUT if I just move the message
before clicking recover from Spam it moves normally.

This is a snippet from attached log (In zip file)
Unable to determine source folder for message 'Re: New Microsoft command
shell' - restoring to Inbox
Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham training message 'Re: New Microsoft
command shell

The one odd thing about these messages which also affected the Outlook Junk
filter (which I have since disabled) is that the To: line is the newsgroup
address not the email address of the list.

This has happened many times before.

Here is the header
Return-Path: <bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com> Sun Jun 19
16:38:45 2005
Received: from email.sparklist.com [64.62.197.108] by webmail.gothamweb.net
with SMTP;
   Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:38:45 -0400
Reply-To: "JP Software Support Forum" <jpsoft_support at email.sparklist.com>
From: "Manuel Lopez" <LopezOnWeb at msn.com>
Newsgroups: jpsoft_support
Subject: New Microsoft command shell
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:38:22 -0500
Lines: 14
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527
To: jpsoft_support
X-Mailer: SparkLIST.com Newsgroup Interface
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:leave-jpsoft_support-3356261U at email.sparklist.com>
X-SPARKLIST-Message-Id:
<SPARKLIST-3356261-2071457-2005.06.19-13.38.24--dc#inetservers.com at email.spa
rklist.com>
X-Declude-Sender: bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com
[64.62.197.108]
X-Declude-Spoolname: 30237404.EML
X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 16:38:58 on 19 Jun 2005
X-Declude-Fail: None
X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES->destination
X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_Pass
X-Rcpt-To: <douglas.cohn at inetservers.com>

Thanks very much

Doug
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From jsp at PKC.com  Mon Jun 20 21:32:25 2005
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:32:25 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15525@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

If you're hooked up to an Exchange server, it may be putting messages
(such as those from JPSoft) in your Junk folder.  That's the way it is
at my workplace, and my sysadmin assures me that there's nothing I can
do about it.  So what I've done is to create a Spam folder where I have
SpamBayes put messages that it thinks are spam.  I have SpamBayes watch
Outlook's Junk E-mail folder; any spam is therefore moved to the Spam
folder.  If I find a message there, I know that Exchange thought it was
spam but SpamBayes didn't.  1.1 will have a feature that allows ham to
be moved, so once that's out, I'll have it move any ham from the Junk
E-mail folder to my inbox.

Of course, if you're not using Exchange or it's not set up to do spam
filtering, none of this is relevant to you.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf 
> Of douglas cohn
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:24 PM
> To: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> 
> I have noticed some odd behavior with messages from JPSoft 
> mailing list.
> 
> I use XP SP2 SpamBayes Outlook 2003 add-in 1.04.  Attached is 
> log and error
> message (Screen clip)
> 
> I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go
> directing into Junk Folders.  Even after repeatedly 
> recovering from spam
> they still end up there.  I am guessing that the recovery 
> applies to the
> user and not the list.
> 
> Isn't there a way to whitelist certain addresses including 
> mailing lists?
> 
> In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder 
> for message.  I
> believe that is because of the to: address being a newsgroup. 
>  Also If I
> click recover from spam I can no longer move that message to 
> another folder.
> I attached the error message I receive.  BUT if I just move 
> the message
> before clicking recover from Spam it moves normally.
> 
> This is a snippet from attached log (In zip file)
> Unable to determine source folder for message 'Re: New 
> Microsoft command
> shell' - restoring to Inbox
> Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham training message 'Re: 
> New Microsoft
> command shell
> 
> The one odd thing about these messages which also affected 
> the Outlook Junk
> filter (which I have since disabled) is that the To: line is 
> the newsgroup
> address not the email address of the list.
> 
> This has happened many times before.
> 
> Here is the header
> Return-Path: 
> <bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com> Sun Jun 19
> 16:38:45 2005
> Received: from email.sparklist.com [64.62.197.108] by 
> webmail.gothamweb.net
> with SMTP;
>    Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:38:45 -0400
> Reply-To: "JP Software Support Forum" 
> <jpsoft_support at email.sparklist.com>
> From: "Manuel Lopez" <LopezOnWeb at msn.com>
> Newsgroups: jpsoft_support
> Subject: New Microsoft command shell
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:38:22 -0500
> Lines: 14
> X-Priority: 3
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
> X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527
> To: jpsoft_support
> X-Mailer: SparkLIST.com Newsgroup Interface
> List-Unsubscribe: 
> <mailto:leave-jpsoft_support-3356261U at email.sparklist.com>
> X-SPARKLIST-Message-Id:
> <SPARKLIST-3356261-2071457-2005.06.19-13.38.24--dc#inetservers
> .com at email.spa
> rklist.com>
> X-Declude-Sender: bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com
> [64.62.197.108]
> X-Declude-Spoolname: 30237404.EML
> X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 16:38:58 on 19 Jun 2005
> X-Declude-Fail: None
> X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES->destination
> X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_Pass
> X-Rcpt-To: <douglas.cohn at inetservers.com>
> 
> Thanks very much
> 
> Doug
> 

From jsp at PKC.com  Mon Jun 20 21:37:25 2005
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:37:25 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15526@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Forgot to mention that you can do whitelisting using Outlook rules.
SpamBayes waits a respectful period before processing incoming messages
to allow Outlook time to execute such rules.  Explore the Tools > Rules
and Alerts... menu item.  I think there may be some useful messages from
the last couple of months in the mailing list archives.  There's a FAQ
on the SpamBayes site that discusses whitelisting and blacklisting
(http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-whitelistin
g-blacklisting-to-spambayes).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Pelton 
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:32 PM
> To: 'douglas cohn'; spambayes at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> 
> If you're hooked up to an Exchange server, it may be putting 
> messages (such as those from JPSoft) in your Junk folder.  
> That's the way it is at my workplace, and my sysadmin assures 
> me that there's nothing I can do about it.  So what I've done 
> is to create a Spam folder where I have SpamBayes put 
> messages that it thinks are spam.  I have SpamBayes watch 
> Outlook's Junk E-mail folder; any spam is therefore moved to 
> the Spam folder.  If I find a message there, I know that 
> Exchange thought it was spam but SpamBayes didn't.  1.1 will 
> have a feature that allows ham to be moved, so once that's 
> out, I'll have it move any ham from the Junk E-mail folder to 
> my inbox.
> 
> Of course, if you're not using Exchange or it's not set up to 
> do spam filtering, none of this is relevant to you.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org 
> > [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf 
> > Of douglas cohn
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:24 PM
> > To: spambayes at python.org
> > Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> > 
> > I have noticed some odd behavior with messages from JPSoft 
> > mailing list.
> > 
> > I use XP SP2 SpamBayes Outlook 2003 add-in 1.04.  Attached is 
> > log and error
> > message (Screen clip)
> > 
> > I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go
> > directing into Junk Folders.  Even after repeatedly 
> > recovering from spam
> > they still end up there.  I am guessing that the recovery 
> > applies to the
> > user and not the list.
> > 
> > Isn't there a way to whitelist certain addresses including 
> > mailing lists?
> > 
> > In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder 
> > for message.  I
> > believe that is because of the to: address being a newsgroup. 
> >  Also If I
> > click recover from spam I can no longer move that message to 
> > another folder.
> > I attached the error message I receive.  BUT if I just move 
> > the message
> > before clicking recover from Spam it moves normally.
> > 
> > This is a snippet from attached log (In zip file)
> > Unable to determine source folder for message 'Re: New 
> > Microsoft command
> > shell' - restoring to Inbox
> > Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham training message 'Re: 
> > New Microsoft
> > command shell
> > 
> > The one odd thing about these messages which also affected 
> > the Outlook Junk
> > filter (which I have since disabled) is that the To: line is 
> > the newsgroup
> > address not the email address of the list.
> > 
> > This has happened many times before.
> > 
> > Here is the header
> > Return-Path: 
> > <bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com> Sun Jun 19
> > 16:38:45 2005
> > Received: from email.sparklist.com [64.62.197.108] by 
> > webmail.gothamweb.net
> > with SMTP;
> >    Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:38:45 -0400
> > Reply-To: "JP Software Support Forum" 
> > <jpsoft_support at email.sparklist.com>
> > From: "Manuel Lopez" <LopezOnWeb at msn.com>
> > Newsgroups: jpsoft_support
> > Subject: New Microsoft command shell
> > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:38:22 -0500
> > Lines: 14
> > X-Priority: 3
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
> > X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527
> > To: jpsoft_support
> > X-Mailer: SparkLIST.com Newsgroup Interface
> > List-Unsubscribe: 
> > <mailto:leave-jpsoft_support-3356261U at email.sparklist.com>
> > X-SPARKLIST-Message-Id:
> > <SPARKLIST-3356261-2071457-2005.06.19-13.38.24--dc#inetservers
> > .com at email.spa
> > rklist.com>
> > X-Declude-Sender: bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com
> > [64.62.197.108]
> > X-Declude-Spoolname: 30237404.EML
> > X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 16:38:58 on 19 Jun 2005
> > X-Declude-Fail: None
> > X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES->destination
> > X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_Pass
> > X-Rcpt-To: <douglas.cohn at inetservers.com>
> > 
> > Thanks very much
> > 
> > Doug
> > 

From douglas.cohn at inetservers.com  Mon Jun 20 22:32:06 2005
From: douglas.cohn at inetservers.com (douglas cohn)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:32:06 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15526@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
Message-ID: <20050620203245.1CD681E4005@bag.python.org>

Thanks

No it is not Exchange
I have rules in Outlook but it is not behaving properly yet I will try
again.

Since there is no to: address I cannot sort on that.  I have tried using the
header parsing for rules as well to no avail.  Now that I know SpamBayes
waits for Outlook rules I will read the link you sent and try again, placing
this rule higher in my list. Since I did not know Spambayes actually gave
Outlook rules priority I probably gave up after it failed once.

I have about 40 rules already.  I get a lot of mail and I sort it to make
life a bit simpler.

Thanks again

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:37 PM
To: douglas cohn; spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages

Forgot to mention that you can do whitelisting using Outlook rules.
SpamBayes waits a respectful period before processing incoming messages to
allow Outlook time to execute such rules.  Explore the Tools > Rules and
Alerts... menu item.  I think there may be some useful messages from the
last couple of months in the mailing list archives.  There's a FAQ on the
SpamBayes site that discusses whitelisting and blacklisting
(http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-whitelistin
g-blacklisting-to-spambayes).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Pelton
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:32 PM
> To: 'douglas cohn'; spambayes at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> 
> If you're hooked up to an Exchange server, it may be putting messages 
> (such as those from JPSoft) in your Junk folder.
> That's the way it is at my workplace, and my sysadmin assures me that 
> there's nothing I can do about it.  So what I've done is to create a 
> Spam folder where I have SpamBayes put messages that it thinks are 
> spam.  I have SpamBayes watch Outlook's Junk E-mail folder; any spam 
> is therefore moved to the Spam folder.  If I find a message there, I 
> know that Exchange thought it was spam but SpamBayes didn't.  1.1 will 
> have a feature that allows ham to be moved, so once that's out, I'll 
> have it move any ham from the Junk E-mail folder to my inbox.
> 
> Of course, if you're not using Exchange or it's not set up to do spam 
> filtering, none of this is relevant to you.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org
> > [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of 
> > douglas cohn
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:24 PM
> > To: spambayes at python.org
> > Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> > 
> > I have noticed some odd behavior with messages from JPSoft mailing 
> > list.
> > 
> > I use XP SP2 SpamBayes Outlook 2003 add-in 1.04.  Attached is log 
> > and error message (Screen clip)
> > 
> > I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go 
> > directing into Junk Folders.  Even after repeatedly recovering from 
> > spam they still end up there.  I am guessing that the recovery 
> > applies to the user and not the list.
> > 
> > Isn't there a way to whitelist certain addresses including mailing 
> > lists?
> > 
> > In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder for 
> > message.  I believe that is because of the to: address being a 
> > newsgroup.
> >  Also If I
> > click recover from spam I can no longer move that message to another 
> > folder.
> > I attached the error message I receive.  BUT if I just move the 
> > message before clicking recover from Spam it moves normally.
> > 
> > This is a snippet from attached log (In zip file) Unable to 
> > determine source folder for message 'Re: New Microsoft command 
> > shell' - restoring to Inbox Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham 
> > training message 'Re:
> > New Microsoft
> > command shell
> > 
> > The one odd thing about these messages which also affected the 
> > Outlook Junk filter (which I have since disabled) is that the To: 
> > line is the newsgroup address not the email address of the list.
> > 
> > This has happened many times before.
> > 
> > Here is the header
> > Return-Path: 
> > <bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com> Sun Jun 19
> > 16:38:45 2005
> > Received: from email.sparklist.com [64.62.197.108] by 
> > webmail.gothamweb.net with SMTP;
> >    Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:38:45 -0400
> > Reply-To: "JP Software Support Forum" 
> > <jpsoft_support at email.sparklist.com>
> > From: "Manuel Lopez" <LopezOnWeb at msn.com>
> > Newsgroups: jpsoft_support
> > Subject: New Microsoft command shell
> > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:38:22 -0500
> > Lines: 14
> > X-Priority: 3
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
> > X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527
> > To: jpsoft_support
> > X-Mailer: SparkLIST.com Newsgroup Interface
> > List-Unsubscribe: 
> > <mailto:leave-jpsoft_support-3356261U at email.sparklist.com>
> > X-SPARKLIST-Message-Id:
> > <SPARKLIST-3356261-2071457-2005.06.19-13.38.24--dc#inetservers
> > .com at email.spa
> > rklist.com>
> > X-Declude-Sender: bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com
> > [64.62.197.108]
> > X-Declude-Spoolname: 30237404.EML
> > X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 16:38:58 on 19 Jun 2005
> > X-Declude-Fail: None
> > X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES->destination
> > X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_Pass
> > X-Rcpt-To: <douglas.cohn at inetservers.com>
> > 
> > Thanks very much
> > 
> > Doug
> > 



From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 21 00:52:46 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:52:46 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328D5BF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02BB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go
> directing into Junk Folders.

Are you getting that score from the score column in Outlook or using the
"Show clues for this message"?  If not the latter, what happens if you do
use that?

> I am guessing that the recovery applies to the
> user and not the list.

Training (recovery) isn't about addresses, it uses the entire content of the
email.  The clues list (as above) shows the information that is used for
training.  Posting a clues list for one of these messages (before training)
to us might help.

> In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder 
> for message.  I believe that is because of the to: address
> being a newsgroup. 

What that means is that SpamBayes couldn't store additional information with
the message (this probably includes the score, too, so that could explain
why the score is always 0%).  If it can't do that, then it falls back on the
default store's inbox.  Is this an IMAP store?  The problem is reasonably
common with IMAP (and is addressed in 1.1a1).

> Also If I click recover from spam I can no longer move that
> message to another folder.

I'm guessing from the error that the message has already moved, but Outlook
hasn't updated the display.  If you do that and then look in the default
Inbox, is the message there?

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 21 00:55:10 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:55:10 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] possible spam folder
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320E427@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02BD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> MY original possible spam folder was deleted and I 
> added a new folder - the possible spam does not go there
> - it resides in my inbox

Please see FAQ 3.13:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-folder>

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 21 00:53:50 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:53:50 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] hi,
	I can't find the right program with the smiley buttons?
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328D547@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02BC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I don't understand why when I download an application
> that it is a different program than before.
> You had a download with smiley faces and I can't locate it now.

You can download SpamBayes from <http://spambayes.org/windows.html>.  The
Outlook plug-in (top of the page) does have smiley face icons.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 21 00:59:13 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:59:13 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] error starting sb_server
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320DF66@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02BF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> $ python scripts/sb_server.py -b
> Segmentation fault
> 
> This is what I'm getting after an update from FC3 to FC4. Is 
> anyone else experiencing this? Have you found a fix?

Not really any ideas here, except maybe one thing to try:  what happens if
you run Python by itself?  Does that work?  If not, then reinstalling Python
would probably solve the problem.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Jun 21 01:02:02 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:02:02 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Reset Spambayes
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320D7D2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02C0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Worse. some of the messages are disappearing entirely.  
> I accidentally deleted the Junk Suspects folder and created
> a new one so that may be part of my problem. 

Please see FAQ 3.13:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-folder>

> Anyway, I want to reset everything back to ground zero then
> retrain.

If you delete the default_bayes_database.db and default_message_database.db
from the Data directory, that will do it (you can find the Data directory by
doing SpamBayes->SpamBayes Manager->Advanced->Show Data Folder).
Alternatively, you can use the Training tab of the SpamBayes Manager and
tick the "rebuild entire database".

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
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(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
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From douglas.cohn at inetservers.com  Tue Jun 21 05:24:55 2005
From: douglas.cohn at inetservers.com (douglas cohn)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:24:55 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15526@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
Message-ID: <20050621032525.6EF391E4003@bag.python.org>

 Based on the info below  (That Spambayes allows time for Outlook 2003 rules
to run before processing) can we change that "Wait" time possibly for large
filters?

As per my earlier post I am getting repeated wrong sorts into My junkmail
folder

-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:37 PM
To: douglas cohn; spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages

Forgot to mention that you can do whitelisting using Outlook rules.
SpamBayes waits a respectful period before processing incoming messages to
allow Outlook time to execute such rules.  Explore the Tools > Rules and
Alerts... menu item.  I think there may be some useful messages from the
last couple of months in the mailing list archives.  There's a FAQ on the
SpamBayes site that discusses whitelisting and blacklisting
(http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-whitelistin
g-blacklisting-to-spambayes).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Pelton
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:32 PM
> To: 'douglas cohn'; spambayes at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> 
> If you're hooked up to an Exchange server, it may be putting messages 
> (such as those from JPSoft) in your Junk folder.
> That's the way it is at my workplace, and my sysadmin assures me that 
> there's nothing I can do about it.  So what I've done is to create a 
> Spam folder where I have SpamBayes put messages that it thinks are 
> spam.  I have SpamBayes watch Outlook's Junk E-mail folder; any spam 
> is therefore moved to the Spam folder.  If I find a message there, I 
> know that Exchange thought it was spam but SpamBayes didn't.  1.1 will 
> have a feature that allows ham to be moved, so once that's out, I'll 
> have it move any ham from the Junk E-mail folder to my inbox.
> 
> Of course, if you're not using Exchange or it's not set up to do spam 
> filtering, none of this is relevant to you.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org
> > [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of 
> > douglas cohn
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:24 PM
> > To: spambayes at python.org
> > Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> > 
> > I have noticed some odd behavior with messages from JPSoft mailing 
> > list.
> > 
> > I use XP SP2 SpamBayes Outlook 2003 add-in 1.04.  Attached is log 
> > and error message (Screen clip)
> > 
> > I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go 
> > directing into Junk Folders.  Even after repeatedly recovering from 
> > spam they still end up there.  I am guessing that the recovery 
> > applies to the user and not the list.
> > 
> > Isn't there a way to whitelist certain addresses including mailing 
> > lists?
> > 
> > In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder for 
> > message.  I believe that is because of the to: address being a 
> > newsgroup.
> >  Also If I
> > click recover from spam I can no longer move that message to another 
> > folder.
> > I attached the error message I receive.  BUT if I just move the 
> > message before clicking recover from Spam it moves normally.
> > 
> > This is a snippet from attached log (In zip file) Unable to 
> > determine source folder for message 'Re: New Microsoft command 
> > shell' - restoring to Inbox Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham 
> > training message 'Re:
> > New Microsoft
> > command shell
> > 
> > The one odd thing about these messages which also affected the 
> > Outlook Junk filter (which I have since disabled) is that the To: 
> > line is the newsgroup address not the email address of the list.
> > 
> > This has happened many times before.
> > 
> > Here is the header
> > Return-Path: 
> > <bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com> Sun Jun 19
> > 16:38:45 2005
> > Received: from email.sparklist.com [64.62.197.108] by 
> > webmail.gothamweb.net with SMTP;
> >    Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:38:45 -0400
> > Reply-To: "JP Software Support Forum" 
> > <jpsoft_support at email.sparklist.com>
> > From: "Manuel Lopez" <LopezOnWeb at msn.com>
> > Newsgroups: jpsoft_support
> > Subject: New Microsoft command shell
> > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:38:22 -0500
> > Lines: 14
> > X-Priority: 3
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
> > X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527
> > To: jpsoft_support
> > X-Mailer: SparkLIST.com Newsgroup Interface
> > List-Unsubscribe: 
> > <mailto:leave-jpsoft_support-3356261U at email.sparklist.com>
> > X-SPARKLIST-Message-Id:
> > <SPARKLIST-3356261-2071457-2005.06.19-13.38.24--dc#inetservers
> > .com at email.spa
> > rklist.com>
> > X-Declude-Sender: bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com
> > [64.62.197.108]
> > X-Declude-Spoolname: 30237404.EML
> > X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 16:38:58 on 19 Jun 2005
> > X-Declude-Fail: None
> > X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES->destination
> > X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_Pass
> > X-Rcpt-To: <douglas.cohn at inetservers.com>
> > 
> > Thanks very much
> > 
> > Doug
> > 



From douglas.cohn at inetservers.com  Tue Jun 21 05:34:03 2005
From: douglas.cohn at inetservers.com (douglas cohn)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:34:03 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02BB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20050621033432.A80071E4003@bag.python.org>

 I just got another message from the same user after moving my
jpsoft_support, email.sparklist.com filtyer to the top.

Just as a test I am going to add a filter just for this user and see if that
catches as I believe the issue is related to the To: address being a
newsgroup.

Thanks

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:53 PM
To: 'douglas cohn'; spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages

> I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go 
> directing into Junk Folders.

Are you getting that score from the score column in Outlook or using the
"Show clues for this message"?  If not the latter, what happens if you do
use that?

> I am guessing that the recovery applies to the user and not the list.

Training (recovery) isn't about addresses, it uses the entire content of the
email.  The clues list (as above) shows the information that is used for
training.  Posting a clues list for one of these messages (before training)
to us might help.

> In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder for 
> message.  I believe that is because of the to: address being a 
> newsgroup.

What that means is that SpamBayes couldn't store additional information with
the message (this probably includes the score, too, so that could explain
why the score is always 0%).  If it can't do that, then it falls back on the
default store's inbox.  Is this an IMAP store?  The problem is reasonably
common with IMAP (and is addressed in 1.1a1).

> Also If I click recover from spam I can no longer move that message to 
> another folder.

I'm guessing from the error that the message has already moved, but Outlook
hasn't updated the display.  If you do that and then look in the default
Inbox, is the message there?

=Tony.Meyer

--
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 
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From douglas.cohn at inetservers.com  Tue Jun 21 05:35:59 2005
From: douglas.cohn at inetservers.com (douglas cohn)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:35:59 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02BB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20050621033628.30D7F1E4003@bag.python.org>

 PS  Sorry about the email only to you.  Gotta learn about using reply all
and deleting the sender

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:53 PM
To: 'douglas cohn'; spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages

> I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go 
> directing into Junk Folders.

Are you getting that score from the score column in Outlook or using the
"Show clues for this message"?  If not the latter, what happens if you do
use that?

> I am guessing that the recovery applies to the user and not the list.

Training (recovery) isn't about addresses, it uses the entire content of the
email.  The clues list (as above) shows the information that is used for
training.  Posting a clues list for one of these messages (before training)
to us might help.

> In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder for 
> message.  I believe that is because of the to: address being a 
> newsgroup.

What that means is that SpamBayes couldn't store additional information with
the message (this probably includes the score, too, so that could explain
why the score is always 0%).  If it can't do that, then it falls back on the
default store's inbox.  Is this an IMAP store?  The problem is reasonably
common with IMAP (and is addressed in 1.1a1).

> Also If I click recover from spam I can no longer move that message to 
> another folder.

I'm guessing from the error that the message has already moved, but Outlook
hasn't updated the display.  If you do that and then look in the default
Inbox, is the message there?

=Tony.Meyer

--
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 



From douglas.cohn at inetservers.com  Tue Jun 21 05:43:13 2005
From: douglas.cohn at inetservers.com (douglas cohn)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 23:43:13 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02BB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20050621034354.A3AD31E4003@bag.python.org>

AH  sorry for the multiple message but that last part, about the message
being unavailable to move.

I tested it for the tenth time.  It is my default inbox that it goes to when
you click recover from spam.

I can shut down Outlook, and then be able to move those messages from the
inbox after they have been recovered from spam.  I do NOT recall this being
true with every message I recover from spam.  Only these oddball ones that
have 0% spam probablility. 

What is causing this delayed update?  If I move it from the Junk E-Mail
folder to the Inbox or any folder without clicking recover from spam I can
then move it again elsewhere.  Only when I use recover from Spam  (and I
think only with these oddball messages but not sure) does it occur.

Sratching head.....

DC

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:53 PM
To: 'douglas cohn'; spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages

> I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go 
> directing into Junk Folders.

Are you getting that score from the score column in Outlook or using the
"Show clues for this message"?  If not the latter, what happens if you do
use that?

> I am guessing that the recovery applies to the user and not the list.

Training (recovery) isn't about addresses, it uses the entire content of the
email.  The clues list (as above) shows the information that is used for
training.  Posting a clues list for one of these messages (before training)
to us might help.

> In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder for 
> message.  I believe that is because of the to: address being a 
> newsgroup.

What that means is that SpamBayes couldn't store additional information with
the message (this probably includes the score, too, so that could explain
why the score is always 0%).  If it can't do that, then it falls back on the
default store's inbox.  Is this an IMAP store?  The problem is reasonably
common with IMAP (and is addressed in 1.1a1).

> Also If I click recover from spam I can no longer move that message to 
> another folder.

I'm guessing from the error that the message has already moved, but Outlook
hasn't updated the display.  If you do that and then look in the default
Inbox, is the message there?

=Tony.Meyer

--
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 



From jsp at PKC.com  Tue Jun 21 14:52:38 2005
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:52:38 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15527@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

If you click the SpamBayes button on the Outlook toolbar, then select
SpamBayes Manager... from the menu that pops up, a tabbed dialog will
display.  Click the Advanced tab and party on!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of douglas cohn
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:25 PM
> To: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> 
>  Based on the info below  (That Spambayes allows time for 
> Outlook 2003 rules
> to run before processing) can we change that "Wait" time 
> possibly for large
> filters?
> 
> As per my earlier post I am getting repeated wrong sorts into 
> My junkmail
> folder
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:37 PM
> To: douglas cohn; spambayes at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> 
> Forgot to mention that you can do whitelisting using Outlook rules.
> SpamBayes waits a respectful period before processing 
> incoming messages to
> allow Outlook time to execute such rules.  Explore the Tools 
> > Rules and
> Alerts... menu item.  I think there may be some useful 
> messages from the
> last couple of months in the mailing list archives.  There's 
> a FAQ on the
> SpamBayes site that discusses whitelisting and blacklisting
> (http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-w
> hitelistin
> g-blacklisting-to-spambayes).
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jesse Pelton
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:32 PM
> > To: 'douglas cohn'; spambayes at python.org
> > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> > 
> > If you're hooked up to an Exchange server, it may be 
> putting messages 
> > (such as those from JPSoft) in your Junk folder.
> > That's the way it is at my workplace, and my sysadmin 
> assures me that 
> > there's nothing I can do about it.  So what I've done is to 
> create a 
> > Spam folder where I have SpamBayes put messages that it thinks are 
> > spam.  I have SpamBayes watch Outlook's Junk E-mail folder; 
> any spam 
> > is therefore moved to the Spam folder.  If I find a message 
> there, I 
> > know that Exchange thought it was spam but SpamBayes 
> didn't.  1.1 will 
> > have a feature that allows ham to be moved, so once that's 
> out, I'll 
> > have it move any ham from the Junk E-mail folder to my inbox.
> > 
> > Of course, if you're not using Exchange or it's not set up 
> to do spam 
> > filtering, none of this is relevant to you.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org
> > > [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > douglas cohn
> > > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:24 PM
> > > To: spambayes at python.org
> > > Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> > > 
> > > I have noticed some odd behavior with messages from 
> JPSoft mailing 
> > > list.
> > > 
> > > I use XP SP2 SpamBayes Outlook 2003 add-in 1.04.  Attached is log 
> > > and error message (Screen clip)
> > > 
> > > I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score 
> of 0% yet go 
> > > directing into Junk Folders.  Even after repeatedly 
> recovering from 
> > > spam they still end up there.  I am guessing that the recovery 
> > > applies to the user and not the list.
> > > 
> > > Isn't there a way to whitelist certain addresses 
> including mailing 
> > > lists?
> > > 
> > > In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder for 
> > > message.  I believe that is because of the to: address being a 
> > > newsgroup.
> > >  Also If I
> > > click recover from spam I can no longer move that message 
> to another 
> > > folder.
> > > I attached the error message I receive.  BUT if I just move the 
> > > message before clicking recover from Spam it moves normally.
> > > 
> > > This is a snippet from attached log (In zip file) Unable to 
> > > determine source folder for message 'Re: New Microsoft command 
> > > shell' - restoring to Inbox Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham 
> > > training message 'Re:
> > > New Microsoft
> > > command shell
> > > 
> > > The one odd thing about these messages which also affected the 
> > > Outlook Junk filter (which I have since disabled) is that the To: 
> > > line is the newsgroup address not the email address of the list.
> > > 
> > > This has happened many times before.
> > > 
> > > Here is the header
> > > Return-Path: 
> > > <bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com> Sun Jun 19
> > > 16:38:45 2005
> > > Received: from email.sparklist.com [64.62.197.108] by 
> > > webmail.gothamweb.net with SMTP;
> > >    Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:38:45 -0400
> > > Reply-To: "JP Software Support Forum" 
> > > <jpsoft_support at email.sparklist.com>
> > > From: "Manuel Lopez" <LopezOnWeb at msn.com>
> > > Newsgroups: jpsoft_support
> > > Subject: New Microsoft command shell
> > > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:38:22 -0500
> > > Lines: 14
> > > X-Priority: 3
> > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
> > > X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
> > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527
> > > To: jpsoft_support
> > > X-Mailer: SparkLIST.com Newsgroup Interface
> > > List-Unsubscribe: 
> > > <mailto:leave-jpsoft_support-3356261U at email.sparklist.com>
> > > X-SPARKLIST-Message-Id:
> > > <SPARKLIST-3356261-2071457-2005.06.19-13.38.24--dc#inetservers
> > > .com at email.spa
> > > rklist.com>
> > > X-Declude-Sender: 
> bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com
> > > [64.62.197.108]
> > > X-Declude-Spoolname: 30237404.EML
> > > X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 16:38:58 on 19 Jun 2005
> > > X-Declude-Fail: None
> > > X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES->destination
> > > X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_Pass
> > > X-Rcpt-To: <douglas.cohn at inetservers.com>
> > > 
> > > Thanks very much
> > > 
> > > Doug
> > > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From douglas.cohn at inetservers.com  Tue Jun 21 15:19:44 2005
From: douglas.cohn at inetservers.com (douglas cohn)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:19:44 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15527@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
Message-ID: <20050621132023.5EB741E4009@bag.python.org>

Been there  done that

Has had no effect 

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Jesse Pelton
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:53 AM
To: douglas cohn; spambayes at python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages

If you click the SpamBayes button on the Outlook toolbar, then select
SpamBayes Manager... from the menu that pops up, a tabbed dialog will
display.  Click the Advanced tab and party on!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of douglas cohn
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:25 PM
> To: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> 
>  Based on the info below  (That Spambayes allows time for Outlook 2003 
> rules to run before processing) can we change that "Wait" time 
> possibly for large filters?
> 
> As per my earlier post I am getting repeated wrong sorts into My 
> junkmail folder
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:37 PM
> To: douglas cohn; spambayes at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> 
> Forgot to mention that you can do whitelisting using Outlook rules.
> SpamBayes waits a respectful period before processing incoming 
> messages to allow Outlook time to execute such rules.  Explore the 
> Tools
> > Rules and
> Alerts... menu item.  I think there may be some useful messages from 
> the last couple of months in the mailing list archives.  There's a FAQ 
> on the SpamBayes site that discusses whitelisting and blacklisting 
> (http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-w
> hitelistin
> g-blacklisting-to-spambayes).
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jesse Pelton
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:32 PM
> > To: 'douglas cohn'; spambayes at python.org
> > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> > 
> > If you're hooked up to an Exchange server, it may be
> putting messages
> > (such as those from JPSoft) in your Junk folder.
> > That's the way it is at my workplace, and my sysadmin
> assures me that
> > there's nothing I can do about it.  So what I've done is to
> create a
> > Spam folder where I have SpamBayes put messages that it thinks are 
> > spam.  I have SpamBayes watch Outlook's Junk E-mail folder;
> any spam
> > is therefore moved to the Spam folder.  If I find a message
> there, I
> > know that Exchange thought it was spam but SpamBayes
> didn't.  1.1 will
> > have a feature that allows ham to be moved, so once that's
> out, I'll
> > have it move any ham from the Junk E-mail folder to my inbox.
> > 
> > Of course, if you're not using Exchange or it's not set up
> to do spam
> > filtering, none of this is relevant to you.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org
> > > [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > douglas cohn
> > > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:24 PM
> > > To: spambayes at python.org
> > > Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> > > 
> > > I have noticed some odd behavior with messages from
> JPSoft mailing
> > > list.
> > > 
> > > I use XP SP2 SpamBayes Outlook 2003 add-in 1.04.  Attached is log 
> > > and error message (Screen clip)
> > > 
> > > I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score
> of 0% yet go
> > > directing into Junk Folders.  Even after repeatedly
> recovering from
> > > spam they still end up there.  I am guessing that the recovery 
> > > applies to the user and not the list.
> > > 
> > > Isn't there a way to whitelist certain addresses
> including mailing
> > > lists?
> > > 
> > > In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder for 
> > > message.  I believe that is because of the to: address being a 
> > > newsgroup.
> > >  Also If I
> > > click recover from spam I can no longer move that message
> to another
> > > folder.
> > > I attached the error message I receive.  BUT if I just move the 
> > > message before clicking recover from Spam it moves normally.
> > > 
> > > This is a snippet from attached log (In zip file) Unable to 
> > > determine source folder for message 'Re: New Microsoft command 
> > > shell' - restoring to Inbox Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham 
> > > training message 'Re:
> > > New Microsoft
> > > command shell
> > > 
> > > The one odd thing about these messages which also affected the 
> > > Outlook Junk filter (which I have since disabled) is that the To:
> > > line is the newsgroup address not the email address of the list.
> > > 
> > > This has happened many times before.
> > > 
> > > Here is the header
> > > Return-Path: 
> > > <bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com> Sun Jun 19
> > > 16:38:45 2005
> > > Received: from email.sparklist.com [64.62.197.108] by 
> > > webmail.gothamweb.net with SMTP;
> > >    Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:38:45 -0400
> > > Reply-To: "JP Software Support Forum" 
> > > <jpsoft_support at email.sparklist.com>
> > > From: "Manuel Lopez" <LopezOnWeb at msn.com>
> > > Newsgroups: jpsoft_support
> > > Subject: New Microsoft command shell
> > > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:38:22 -0500
> > > Lines: 14
> > > X-Priority: 3
> > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
> > > X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
> > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527
> > > To: jpsoft_support
> > > X-Mailer: SparkLIST.com Newsgroup Interface
> > > List-Unsubscribe: 
> > > <mailto:leave-jpsoft_support-3356261U at email.sparklist.com>
> > > X-SPARKLIST-Message-Id:
> > > <SPARKLIST-3356261-2071457-2005.06.19-13.38.24--dc#inetservers
> > > .com at email.spa
> > > rklist.com>
> > > X-Declude-Sender: 
> bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com
> > > [64.62.197.108]
> > > X-Declude-Spoolname: 30237404.EML
> > > X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 16:38:58 on 19 Jun 2005
> > > X-Declude-Fail: None
> > > X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES->destination
> > > X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_Pass
> > > X-Rcpt-To: <douglas.cohn at inetservers.com>
> > > 
> > > Thanks very much
> > > 
> > > Doug
> > > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 
_______________________________________________
Spambayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html



From douglas.cohn at inetservers.com  Tue Jun 21 15:21:29 2005
From: douglas.cohn at inetservers.com (douglas cohn)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:21:29 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15527@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
Message-ID: <20050621132201.CA3141E403B@bag.python.org>

 AH    DUH!!!  I see it now.

What a MORON I YAM.  Again sorry for being such an illiterate.

This doesn't explain why it keeps selecting these messages as spam but I can
delay the processing here.

Thank you!!

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Jesse Pelton
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:53 AM
To: douglas cohn; spambayes at python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages

If you click the SpamBayes button on the Outlook toolbar, then select
SpamBayes Manager... from the menu that pops up, a tabbed dialog will
display.  Click the Advanced tab and party on!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of douglas cohn
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:25 PM
> To: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> 
>  Based on the info below  (That Spambayes allows time for Outlook 2003 
> rules to run before processing) can we change that "Wait" time 
> possibly for large filters?
> 
> As per my earlier post I am getting repeated wrong sorts into My 
> junkmail folder
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Pelton [mailto:jsp at PKC.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:37 PM
> To: douglas cohn; spambayes at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> 
> Forgot to mention that you can do whitelisting using Outlook rules.
> SpamBayes waits a respectful period before processing incoming 
> messages to allow Outlook time to execute such rules.  Explore the 
> Tools
> > Rules and
> Alerts... menu item.  I think there may be some useful messages from 
> the last couple of months in the mailing list archives.  There's a FAQ 
> on the SpamBayes site that discusses whitelisting and blacklisting 
> (http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-w
> hitelistin
> g-blacklisting-to-spambayes).
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jesse Pelton
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:32 PM
> > To: 'douglas cohn'; spambayes at python.org
> > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> > 
> > If you're hooked up to an Exchange server, it may be
> putting messages
> > (such as those from JPSoft) in your Junk folder.
> > That's the way it is at my workplace, and my sysadmin
> assures me that
> > there's nothing I can do about it.  So what I've done is to
> create a
> > Spam folder where I have SpamBayes put messages that it thinks are 
> > spam.  I have SpamBayes watch Outlook's Junk E-mail folder;
> any spam
> > is therefore moved to the Spam folder.  If I find a message
> there, I
> > know that Exchange thought it was spam but SpamBayes
> didn't.  1.1 will
> > have a feature that allows ham to be moved, so once that's
> out, I'll
> > have it move any ham from the Junk E-mail folder to my inbox.
> > 
> > Of course, if you're not using Exchange or it's not set up
> to do spam
> > filtering, none of this is relevant to you.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org
> > > [mailto:spambayes-bounces+jsp=pkc.com at python.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > douglas cohn
> > > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:24 PM
> > > To: spambayes at python.org
> > > Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
> > > 
> > > I have noticed some odd behavior with messages from
> JPSoft mailing
> > > list.
> > > 
> > > I use XP SP2 SpamBayes Outlook 2003 add-in 1.04.  Attached is log 
> > > and error message (Screen clip)
> > > 
> > > I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score
> of 0% yet go
> > > directing into Junk Folders.  Even after repeatedly
> recovering from
> > > spam they still end up there.  I am guessing that the recovery 
> > > applies to the user and not the list.
> > > 
> > > Isn't there a way to whitelist certain addresses
> including mailing
> > > lists?
> > > 
> > > In the log it always says Unable to determine source folder for 
> > > message.  I believe that is because of the to: address being a 
> > > newsgroup.
> > >  Also If I
> > > click recover from spam I can no longer move that message
> to another
> > > folder.
> > > I attached the error message I receive.  BUT if I just move the 
> > > message before clicking recover from Spam it moves normally.
> > > 
> > > This is a snippet from attached log (In zip file) Unable to 
> > > determine source folder for message 'Re: New Microsoft command 
> > > shell' - restoring to Inbox Recovering to folder 'Inbox' and ham 
> > > training message 'Re:
> > > New Microsoft
> > > command shell
> > > 
> > > The one odd thing about these messages which also affected the 
> > > Outlook Junk filter (which I have since disabled) is that the To:
> > > line is the newsgroup address not the email address of the list.
> > > 
> > > This has happened many times before.
> > > 
> > > Here is the header
> > > Return-Path: 
> > > <bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com> Sun Jun 19
> > > 16:38:45 2005
> > > Received: from email.sparklist.com [64.62.197.108] by 
> > > webmail.gothamweb.net with SMTP;
> > >    Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:38:45 -0400
> > > Reply-To: "JP Software Support Forum" 
> > > <jpsoft_support at email.sparklist.com>
> > > From: "Manuel Lopez" <LopezOnWeb at msn.com>
> > > Newsgroups: jpsoft_support
> > > Subject: New Microsoft command shell
> > > Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:38:22 -0500
> > > Lines: 14
> > > X-Priority: 3
> > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527
> > > X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
> > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527
> > > To: jpsoft_support
> > > X-Mailer: SparkLIST.com Newsgroup Interface
> > > List-Unsubscribe: 
> > > <mailto:leave-jpsoft_support-3356261U at email.sparklist.com>
> > > X-SPARKLIST-Message-Id:
> > > <SPARKLIST-3356261-2071457-2005.06.19-13.38.24--dc#inetservers
> > > .com at email.spa
> > > rklist.com>
> > > X-Declude-Sender: 
> bounce-jpsoft_support-3356261 at email.sparklist.com
> > > [64.62.197.108]
> > > X-Declude-Spoolname: 30237404.EML
> > > X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 16:38:58 on 19 Jun 2005
> > > X-Declude-Fail: None
> > > X-Country-Chain: UNITED STATES->destination
> > > X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_Pass
> > > X-Rcpt-To: <douglas.cohn at inetservers.com>
> > > 
> > > Thanks very much
> > > 
> > > Doug
> > > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 
_______________________________________________
Spambayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html



From piplewis at hendon57.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Jun 21 15:47:43 2005
From: piplewis at hendon57.freeserve.co.uk (piplewis@hendon57.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:47:43 +0100
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy
Message-ID: <20050621134743.GJAP14072.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[81.107.74.71]>

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I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta3, version 0.3 (December 2003),
using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha3, version 0.03
(binary), with version 2.3.2+ (#49, Oct 23 2003, 15:50:06) [MSC v.1200
32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2
(Service Pack 2).  I have trained 0 ham and 0 spam.    The problem I
am having is I cannot get spambayes to read my incoming messages at
all. I have configured it but it just seems to ignore my incoming
messages.    Pip

From gail at naturenet.com  Tue Jun 21 15:48:14 2005
From: gail at naturenet.com (Gail Epping Overholt)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:48:14 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] junk mail not deleting
Message-ID: <LPEJIIMKOPCKPJOIPJDIGEIAJMAA.gail@naturenet.com>

Hi!   First of all - up until now, I have loved spambayes and just need to
figure out why, although I delete the emails in my Outlook "junk" and "junk
suspect" it seems to think there are still 16K emails in there.  That is,
the number in parentheses immediately after the "JUNK (16072)" doesn't
decrease when I delete them and the system seems to think my folders are at
their capacity.  Please help!
Much Thanks,
Gail


Gail Epping Overholt
Director of Education
Aldo Leopold Nature Center
300 Femrite Drive
Monona, WI  53716
(608) 221-0495
FAX (608) 221-9095
gail at naturenet.com
http://www.naturenet.com/alnc/

"...the chance to find a pasque-flower is a right as inalienable as free
speech."   	Aldo Leopold


From prophesied at thrust1.com  Tue Jun 21 22:34:46 2005
From: prophesied at thrust1.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:34:46 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Software protection computer security.
Message-ID: <528212056.65832121312@212-127-183-85.cable.quicknet.nl>

Name-brand software at low, low, low, low prices 
http://wvplc.e30bhve7boe3bfw.jauncefg.com




They sicken of the calm, who knew the storm.    
We rise in glory as we sink in pride.    



From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun 22 00:28:53 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:28:53 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328D756@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The problem I am having is I cannot get spambayes to read my incoming
> messages at all. I have configured it but it just seems to ignore my
> incoming messages.

Have you set your mail client to connect to SpamBayes ("localhost") rather
than directly to your mail server?

FAQ 4.21 has detailed instructions for this for Outlook Express.  If you're
using some other mail client, or need more help, please let us know.

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#how-do-i-set-up-spambayes-and-outlook-express
>

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun 22 00:30:32 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:30:32 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] junk mail not deleting
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328D755@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02D6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[...]
> although I delete the emails in my Outlook 
> "junk" and "junk suspect" it seems to think there are still 
> 16K emails in there.
[...]

SpamBayes doesn't delete mail, it filters it.  FAQs 3.9 and 3.11 should
help:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#how-can-i-configure-spambayes-to-delete-spam-
rather-than-moving-it>
<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#why-can-t-i-set-spam-to-be-moved-to-the-delet
ed-items-folder>

=Tony.Meyer

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From support at errorguard.com  Wed Jun 22 01:57:04 2005
From: support at errorguard.com (Error Guard)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Error-Guard Support Request
Message-ID: <200506212357.j5LNv4tB008220@rsync.casalemedia.com>

Dear Error Guard Customer,

Thank you for contacting our support department. Your email was received and
your request is currently being processed. The average response time for
support inquiries is 24 business hours.

During this time, please review the list of frequently experienced problems
included below. The list covers the five most commonly experienced support
issues, and outlines detailed steps on how to resolve each of these issues.
We find that the answers contained below are able to resolve a majority of
the support issues experienced by our customers.

Our hours of operation are Monday - Friday, 9AM to 5PM Eastern Standard
Time. Please do not reply to this email address. You will receive a
personalized response from one of our customer support representatives
shortly.

FREQUENTLY EXPERIENCED PROBLEMS

1. The Activation Key does not work.
(a) The activation system in ErrorGuard is case sensenitive. This means that 
both the order number and the activation key must be entered in the same case 
in which they were provided (eg. abcd = lowercase) (eg. ABCD = uppercase). 
(b) If you accidentally include any spaces before or after the order number or 
activation key, the program will not accept the values entered. 
(c) "Zeros" Os and "Ohs" 0s are commonly interchanged for one another. If an O 
("Oh")is entered in place of a 0 (Zero), then the key will not work. Please 
ensure that "Zeros" 0s and "Ohs" Os are entered correctly. 

To avoid the above problems, simply copy the key/order number to your computer's 
clipboard (CTRL + C) and then paste the key/order number into the appropriate 
field (CTRL + V). 

2. I have lost my Activation Key.
If you have lost your activation key or order number, please reference the 
email in your inbox with the subject "ClickBank Receipt - automated 
notification." The email sender will appear as receipt at clickbank.com. In the 
body of the email you will find a link that, when clicked, returns you to 
the confirmation page on the ErrorGuard website where you can retrieve your 
activation key and order number. 

Look for this text in the body of the email "If for some reason you did not 
receive access to the product immediately after payment, please try again 
by following this link now:" 

3. I cannot Activate the product.
To register ErrorGuard, you must return to the application and enter your 
order number and activation key. Begin by clicking "Start" on your 
computer's taskbar, then go to "Programs" and locate the "Error Guard" 
folder. Then click the "Error Guard" icon to open the application. Once 
the application loads, click the "Register" button located in the 
top-left corner of the application. Then, fill in your order number and 
activation key exactly as they appear on the confirmation page you were 
sent to after making your purchase. 

4. Errors are not being fully removed.
If errors continue to appear after removal, please try rebooting your 
computer and running a new scan immediately after boot-up, before any 
other applications are started, and preferably while you are off-line. 

5. How do I start Error Guard?
To open ErrorGuard, click "Start" on your computer's taskbar, then 
"Programs" and locate the "Error Guard" folder. Then click the 
"Error Guard" icon to open the application. 


Thank you,

Customer Support
Error-Guard Inc.

From douglas.cohn at inetservers.com  Wed Jun 22 15:45:06 2005
From: douglas.cohn at inetservers.com (douglas cohn)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:45:06 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] LOW SPAM:   junk mail not deleting
In-Reply-To: <LPEJIIMKOPCKPJOIPJDIGEIAJMAA.gail@naturenet.com>
Message-ID: <20050622134622.A66C41E4003@bag.python.org>

Are you using IMAP?  IF so you must Purge after deleting to remove the
messages.  Besides that I cannot think of any reason deleting messages would
still show them in the folder.

Does deleting put a line through the message or empty the folder?

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On
Behalf Of Gail Epping Overholt
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:48 AM
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: LOW SPAM: [Spambayes] junk mail not deleting

Hi!   First of all - up until now, I have loved spambayes and just need to
figure out why, although I delete the emails in my Outlook "junk" and "junk
suspect" it seems to think there are still 16K emails in there.  That is,
the number in parentheses immediately after the "JUNK (16072)" doesn't
decrease when I delete them and the system seems to think my folders are at
their capacity.  Please help!
Much Thanks,
Gail


Gail Epping Overholt
Director of Education
Aldo Leopold Nature Center
300 Femrite Drive
Monona, WI  53716
(608) 221-0495
FAX (608) 221-9095
gail at naturenet.com
http://www.naturenet.com/alnc/

"...the chance to find a pasque-flower is a right as inalienable as free
speech."   	Aldo Leopold

_______________________________________________
Spambayes at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html



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From bpicardndp at pacbell.net  Thu Jun 23 00:57:21 2005
From: bpicardndp at pacbell.net (Beth A. Picard)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:57:21 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] Same message keeps appearing
Message-ID: <000201c5777d$c017f4e0$730110ac@NDPBeth>

Almost every time I try to send to spam, a message appears and says I
must reconfigure. I use the wizard  AND IT STILL HAPPENS! Please help,
 
 
Thank you,
Bpicardndp at pacbell.net
 



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From kberken at mchsi.com  Thu Jun 23 05:11:32 2005
From: kberken at mchsi.com (Kathy Berken)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] problem
Message-ID: <000d01c577a1$44f58bf0$ba02d90c@c1984290a>

Hello,

I'm not all that technically literate, as my son introduced me to
spambayes.

The other day it was working fine, and then I got a pop up from some
website saying that I had some kind of spy thing going on and I should
delete that program, and I know you're wondering what it was, but I
don't remember, and I deleted it.

Then my spambayes stopped working.

So, I reinstalled it. Version 1.0.4.

It still doesn't work.

I use Outlook, MS Office 2002.

What should I do?
thanks,
Kathy 

 




   

  
 


Arch, L'Arche in Clinton, Iowa

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 23 09:46:42 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:46:42 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] problem
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328DB0C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02E8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The other day it was working fine, and then I got a pop
> up from some website saying that I had some kind of spy
> thing going on and I should delete that program, and I
> know you're wondering what it was, but I don't remember,
> and I deleted it.
> Then my spambayes stopped working.
> So, I reinstalled it. Version 1.0.4.

Try seeing if Outlook has disabled the plug-in:

  Choose "About Microsoft Outlook" from the "Help" menu in Outlook.

  Click the "Disabled Items" button.

If SpamBayes is there, then reenable it.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 23 09:47:38 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:47:38 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Same message keeps appearing
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328D9E5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02E9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Almost every time I try to send to spam, a message appears
> and says I must reconfigure. I use the wizard  AND IT STILL
> HAPPENS!

Try using the SpamBayes Manager to correct the folders ("Filtering" tab).
If that doesn't work, please send us a copy of your most recent log file
(SpamBayes->SpamBayes Manager->Advanced->Diagnostics->View Log).

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 23 09:49:10 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:49:10 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Configuring sb_server for not :110 servers (995,
	TLS) <> Errors in DB
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328D510@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F78A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[POP over SSL with 1.1a1]
> However, see below:
>  got it to work ... for a moment.
> It got my email once, and after second try (without changing 
> anything I got those: in command line:
[...]
> Does option "use_ssl" enable - or ever force - using it for 
> all configured servers?

Yes.  Try setting it to "automatic" instead of "True".

Does that fix all the errors?

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 23 09:50:40 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:50:40 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem w/Spambays
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80320D68C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F78B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 1. I cannot access the Junk Suspects folder. When I try, I 
> get the message "Unable to display the folder". Meanwhile, files
> keep going into the Junk Suspects folder and I cannot access them

What type of store is this?  (Local PST file, IMAP, Exchange, Hotmail...)

If it's a PST file, then try running the Inbox Repair Tool (scanpst.exe)
over it.

Try using Outlook's "Detect and Repair" and see if that helps.

> 2. When I highlight the files I want to be sent to the Junk folder and
> select the "Delete as Spam" button, nothing happens.

Please send us a copy of your most recent log file.  The troubleshooting
guide explains where the log file is.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 23 09:53:37 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:53:37 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328D646@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02EC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> This is POP not IMAP.
> 
> The 0% I was referring to is in the score column.
> 
> I attached a clues list for one of these messages.

[from the clues list]
> # ham trained on: 10255
> # spam trained on: 291

This is *not* good.  SpamBayes works best with a reasonably balanced
database - ratios of 2::1 or even 5::1 can work ok, but you have over 35::1!
Retraining would be a good idea.  <http://entrian.com/sbwiki/TrainingIdeas>
has more.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 23 09:57:44 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:57:44 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Audible mail notification
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E803193FFF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F78C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> My Outlook Version is 2003.  The Spambayes version is 1.04.  
> If Spambayes has a sound, I'm not aware of it or how you turn 
> it on or off.

SpamBayes 1.1 adds a notification sounds, but 1.0.4 doesn't have one.

> Tried both disabling and deleting Spambayes.  
> The only new mail notification sound I get, with or without 
> Spambayes now is a beep, regardless of what sound I select 
> within the control panel, media and sounds section of Windows XP Pro.

Maybe this might help:

<http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/16196/16196.html?Ad=1>

In any case, this seems unrelated to SpamBayes, so Google is probably the
best bet.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 23 10:04:55 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:04:55 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328D646@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02EE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I get messages from the newsgroup and they show a score of 0% yet go
> directing into Junk Folders.

In the log, what does it add for one of these messages?  Does it say that it
was classified as ham or spam?  It seems likely that something else is
moving these messages.

=Tony.Meyer

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From galilia at cs.bgu.ac.il  Thu Jun 23 12:26:34 2005
From: galilia at cs.bgu.ac.il (Asaf cs)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:26:34 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] problem using spambayes
Message-ID: <016f01c577de$07a84340$b01bda51@homeetgps5f9sm>

Hello,

I am using spambayes.
I have about 400 ham messages and 800 spam messages.
I have trained SpamBayes with spam & ham mbox with the following code:
    sb_mboxtrain.py -d $HOME/.spambayes/.hammie.db -g $HOME/mail/ham-mbox -s $HOME/mail/spam-mbox
The bogofilter is used in .procmailrc as followed:
    :0fw
    | /usr/bin/sb_filter.py -f -d $HOME/.spambayes/.hammie.db

    :0 H
    * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: ham
    {
    SOMTHING
    }

    :0 H
    * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
    {
     SOMETHING
    }

I understood that the threshold by default is ham-0.2 , spam-0.9, but I would like to change it to 0.4-0.6 (because I get a lot of unsure)

How can I do it?

thank you
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From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Thu Jun 23 14:31:08 2005
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:31:08 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam score retention and display
Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C3D8@SPIKE.city>

ROBERT K. COE

  _____  

Using Outlook 2000 and Spambayes 1.0.4 ...

When I include the spam score in an Outlook view, it typically displays as an integral percentage value (e.g., "42%" or "100%"). But if I try (again in an Outlook view) to "Group by" the spam score, I find that the value is actually being retained to eight or ten decimal places. This makes the "Group by" action ineffective, since for all practical purposes every message has a unique spam score. Would it make sense to round or truncate this parameter to a more rational granularity?

Bob <mailto:rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV>  

MIS Department, City <http://www.cambridgema.gov/>  of Cambridge
831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139  ?  617-349-4217  ?  fax 617-349-6165

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Jun 24 03:11:11 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:11:11 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] problem using spambayes
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328DBDC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02EF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I understood that the threshold by default is ham-0.2 ,
> spam-0.9, but I would like to change it to 0.4-0.6
> (because I get a lot of unsure)

Please see FAQs 4.11 and 4.12.

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#how-do-i-configure-spambayes>
<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#now-i-know-what-the-format-looks-like-but-wha
t-options-do-i-need-to-set>

The specific options you are after are in the "Categorization" section and
are called "ham_cutoff" and "spam_cutoff".

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Jun 24 09:46:16 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:46:16 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328DC29@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Basically I have been saving my spam for sometime based on 
> your statement and some others.  I have tons of good mail and 
> wanted to give it corss sections to train on.  What I could 
> do is copy a few messages from each folder of the good mail 
> and then train on it.  I have a lot of log reports and status 
> emails so training is very important and I must say none of 
> those messages get caught.  I also get very few suspects these days.
> 
> If it is working well must I retrain?

No.  The golden rule is that if it's working then you should leave it as is.
I'm just warning that you'll see some really strange scores with such a huge
imbalance.  All testing has shown that training regimes like 'train on
error' (i.e. false positives, false negatives and unsures) do much better
than bulk training, and that generally smaller databases are more accurate
than large ones.

> Does Spambayes learn from experience or only from training?

If you mean does it do any automatic training, then no it does not.

=Tony.Meyer

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From vys0 at epf.pl  Sat Jun 25 01:05:29 2005
From: vys0 at epf.pl (Vys0)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:05:29 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Configuring sb_server for not :110 servers (995,
	TLS) <> Errors in DB
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F78A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F78A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200506250105.29289.vys0@epf.pl>

Dnia czwartek, 23 czerwca 2005 09:49, Tony Meyer napisa?:
> [POP over SSL with 1.1a1]
>
> > However, see below:
> >  got it to work ... for a moment.
> > It got my email once, and after second try (without changing
> > anything I got those: in command line:
>
> [...]
>
> > Does option "use_ssl" enable - or ever force - using it for
> > all configured servers?
>
> Yes.  Try setting it to "automatic" instead of "True".
>
> Does that fix all the errors?
>
> =Tony.Meyer


So far, so good. Mail (finally) is being fetched - willl see, how does it work 
after rebooting.
Though, there is still one thing that concerns me:

[vys0 at agnich spambayes]$ sb_server.py
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.1a1 (April 2005)

Loading database... Listener on port 1210 is proxying www.maximail.pl:110
Listener on port 1211 is proxying zasp.zasp.pl:110
Listener on port 1212 is proxying hydral.com.pl:110
Listener on port 1213 is proxying nowyport.pl:110
Listener on port 1214 is proxying wiedzmin.org:995
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb78ad5ec> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb78b1bec> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])

Is it important ? :>

Thx for your help, Tony.

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From douglas.cohn at inetservers.com  Sat Jun 25 22:23:43 2005
From: douglas.cohn at inetservers.com (douglas cohn)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:23:43 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB02F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20050625202423.591E41E4008@bag.python.org>

 
>> Does Spambayes learn from experience or only from training?

>If you mean does it do any automatic training, then no it does not.

No what I meant was if I go into my Junk suspects folder and delete as spam
and recover from spam doesn't spambayes learn from that?

Additionally I was reading about ways to clean up the database.  Can I open
my database of messages it trained on and delete enough of the HAM so it
gets closer to an even match.

I am still discussing it because that one oddball false positive is still
occurring.

It is exactly the same content as the messages I have sent several times.
The score is 0% in the Outlook column yet it repeatedly drops it into my
spam folder.  What I find even odder is that I have a rule that works for 99
out of 100 such messages.  How these even slip by the rule is just wildly
confusing to me. I have searched through my filters and I have no filters
that send mail to the Junk folder.  Additionally I run no other anti spam
software and have Outlook junkmail disabled.

I am aware that this does not mean that spambayes is the cause of this issue
but since it is the only program I believe set to filter mail to the Junk
E-mail folder I am guessing it is related.

Based on the fact that you clearly say smaller database of more equal
amounts of ham and spam messages are better than the odd imbalance I have
plus the fact that I am getting even this one anomaly I want to fix that
imbalance.  If I can edit the database that seems to be the best choice, if
not I will retrain.   But if I just open the manager and retrain does it
simply recreate the database based on the new data or does it add to the
current database?

Thanks for the help

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz] 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 3:46 AM
To: 'douglas cohn'
Cc: spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages

> Basically I have been saving my spam for sometime based on your 
> statement and some others.  I have tons of good mail and wanted to 
> give it corss sections to train on.  What I could do is copy a few 
> messages from each folder of the good mail and then train on it.  I 
> have a lot of log reports and status emails so training is very 
> important and I must say none of those messages get caught.  I also 
> get very few suspects these days.
> 
> If it is working well must I retrain?

No.  The golden rule is that if it's working then you should leave it as is.
I'm just warning that you'll see some really strange scores with such a huge
imbalance.  All testing has shown that training regimes like 'train on
error' (i.e. false positives, false negatives and unsures) do much better
than bulk training, and that generally smaller databases are more accurate
than large ones.

> Does Spambayes learn from experience or only from training?

If you mean does it do any automatic training, then no it does not.

=Tony.Meyer

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From johnbarra at optusnet.com.au  Mon Jun 27 01:20:18 2005
From: johnbarra at optusnet.com.au (John Barraclough)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:20:18 +1000
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.0.4
Message-ID: <JHEJIHBBECHGOOPMGOOHMEACCCAA.johnbarra@optusnet.com.au>

Can you please give me some advice. My SpamBayes 1.0.4 training database is
showing that I have 0 good and 28 spam emails. The Good messages are in my
Inbox and the training section indicates that this is where it is looking.
There are in excess of 200 good messages in my Inbox. Why then does
SpamBayes say I have 0 good messages?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,



John



From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 27 05:21:20 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:21:20 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.0.4
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328E2C6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB030B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> My SpamBayes 1.0.4 training database is showing that I have 0 good
> and 28 spam emails. The Good messages are in my Inbox and the training 
> section indicates that this is where it is looking. There are 
> in excess of 200 good messages in my Inbox. Why then does 
> SpamBayes say I have 0 good messages?

The 0 good and 28 spam emails is the number of messages you have *trained*
on, not any sort of count of actual messages that you have, or that have
been classified (the "Statistics" tab in the forthcoming 1.1 has information
about the latter).

To train on messages, you can use the "Training" tab in the SpamBayes
Manager.  Just select the folder(s) that have ham/spam in them, and away you
go.

However, we generally recommend just training on any mistakes (ham
classified as spam, spam classified as ham, and unsures), as this tends to
give better results than training in bulk.  To do this, you only need to use
the "Delete As Spam" and "Recover From Spam" buttons on the toolbar (select
the incorrectly classified message(s), then click the button).

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 27 05:25:21 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:25:21 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Odd behavior with messages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328E12C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB030C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>>> Does Spambayes learn from experience or only from training?
> 
>>If you mean does it do any automatic training, then no it does not.
> 
> No what I meant was if I go into my Junk suspects folder and 
> delete as spam and recover from spam doesn't spambayes learn from that?

Yes, training is done then.

> Additionally I was reading about ways to clean up the 
> database.  Can I open my database of messages it trained on and
> delete enough of the HAM so it gets closer to an even match.

Not really.  The Outlook plug-in doesn't support any sort of "untraining"
(apart from as part of "retraining").

The thing is that the database doesn't know anything about the messages that
you have received.  It just knows about a whole lot of tokens (words), and
how many times each has been seen in ham or spam.  You can manually edit
those counts (using tools in the SpamBayes source distribution), but it
really isn't a good idea.

> I am still discussing it because that one oddball false 
> positive is still occurring.
> 
> It is exactly the same content as the messages I have sent 
> several times.
> The score is 0% in the Outlook column yet it repeatedly drops 
> it into my spam folder.
[...]
> I am aware that this does not mean that spambayes is the 
> cause of this issue but since it is the only program I believe
> set to filter mail to the Junk E-mail folder I am guessing it
> is related.

When it occurs, what is the log message that gets written?  If SpamBayes is
moving it (anywhere), then the log will say so.

> But if I just open the manager and retrain does it
> simply recreate the database based on the new data or does it 
> add to the current database?

If you tick the "Rebuild entire database" box, it will do the former, if you
don't tick it, then the latter.

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Jun 27 06:25:42 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:25:42 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes 1.0.4
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328E354@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0310@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Initially I only used my Inbox and spam mail trained on that. 
> After the training it indicated that I had trained on 0 good 
> emails. I then added to the good directory to include the 
> sub-directories of Inbox as well as the Inbox itself and 
> repeated the training. Once again it indicated that it had 
> trained on 0 good. Next I removed the Inbox and just left the 
> sub-directories. This time it indicated that it had trained 
> on 93 good and 30 spam.
> 
> For some reason SpamBayes seems to dislike looking at my 
> Inbox for good emails!

Could you send us the log file for that period (or redo it, and send the
most recent log)?  That should have the information we need to figure out
why that is.

=Tony.Meyer

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From matteo.merlin at gmail.com  Mon Jun 27 20:06:08 2005
From: matteo.merlin at gmail.com (Matteo Merlin)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:06:08 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion for SpamBayes: statistics for processed
	messages
Message-ID: <42c04045.725b6ea5.4ad1.487f@mx.gmail.com>

Hi,
	I'm using spambayes for 6 months now and I found it amazing! 
Despite of this I've seen that there aren't any statistics for emails
processed by spambayes.

In fact before using spam bayes I used spambully which reported the daily,
monthly and yearly statistics for spam messages, good messages, false
positives and false negatives emails...

If also spambayes could have this feature it would be the real killer
application for every other antispam software :)

P.S.
I think it should not be very difficult to track, maybe in a CVS file, all
messages processed by spambayes, so I've sent you this suggestion.

CVS would be great also because it could be useful when importing data into
an application like excel to make statistical calculation or plot graphs
showing spam trends...

Ok, thanks for your time, and have a good day :)

See you!


From vys0 at epf.pl  Mon Jun 27 20:12:47 2005
From: vys0 at epf.pl (Vys0)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:12:47 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] ErrorDB in 1.1a1 from CVS :/
Message-ID: <200506272012.47549.vys0@epf.pl>

as in topic:
have had 1.0.4, CVS'ed to 1.1a1, worked fine for 2-3 days, and today:
-----------------------
[vys0 at agnich spambayes]$ sb_server.py
SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.1a1 (April 2005)

Loading database... Listener on port 1210 is proxying www.maximail.pl:110
Listener on port 1211 is proxying zasp.zasp.pl:110
Listener on port 1212 is proxying hydral.com.pl:110
Listener on port 1213 is proxying nowyport.pl:110
Listener on port 1214 is proxying wiedzmin.org:995
User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
Can't connect to hydral.com.pl:110: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
Can't connect to wiedzmin.org:995: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader 
connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb7800c4c> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred 
in violation of protocol') 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
handle_read_event|390] 
[/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 564, in onRetr
    msg.addSBHeaders(prob, clues)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 452, in 
addSBHeaders
    self.RememberClassification(disposition)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 401, in 
RememberClassification
    self.modified()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 377, in 
modified
    self.message_info_db.store_msg(self)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 181, in 
store_msg
    self.db[msg.getDBKey()] = attributes
  File "/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/shelve.py", line 
130, in __setitem__
    self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()
  File 
"/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", 
line 120, in __setitem__
DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database 
recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument')

Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') 
in <bound method MessageInfoDB.__del__ of <spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB 
object at 0xb7800dec>> ignored
Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') 
in  ignored
Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') 
in  ignored
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 564, in onRetr
    msg.addSBHeaders(prob, clues)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 452, in 
addSBHeaders
    self.RememberClassification(disposition)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 401, in 
RememberClassification
    self.modified()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 377, in 
modified
    self.message_info_db.store_msg(self)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 181, in 
store_msg
    self.db[msg.getDBKey()] = attributes
  File "/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/shelve.py", line 
130, in __setitem__
    self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()
  File 
"/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", 
line 120, in __setitem__
DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database 
recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument')
---------------------

is it related to the conection error (gateway was down for some time).

Hoping to get it to work finally ... :)

From walter.peterson at cox.net  Tue Jun 28 16:33:03 2005
From: walter.peterson at cox.net (Walter Peterson)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:33:03 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] I hope this is a simple question
Message-ID: <20050628143253.URLJ22430.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@WPETERSON2>

Installation on a PC with WinXP Pro; Office 2003.  (Outlook 2003)
 
I've loaded SpamBayes on my profile, but it didn't show up on another users
profile.
If I follow the instructions under the section "SpamBayes is not available
for all users on the machine";  will the learned file be shared between the
2 profiles?
Is there a install situation where it is shared?
 
I'm inclined to just load it again on the 2nd profile so as to keep the COM
add in feature alive, as being able to deactivate while I learn about it
appeals to me.
I'm thrilled to unload my nearly useless Norton Anti-Spam app, without
Bayesian filtering how could it be any good?
 
Thank you, 
 

Walter Peterson

Goleta Ca, 93117

 

mailto: walter.peterson at cox.net

 

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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Wed Jun 29 02:37:44 2005
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:37:44 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] MacOSX Package
In-Reply-To: <JHEJIHBBECHGOOPMGOOHMEACCCAA.johnbarra@optusnet.com.au>
References: <JHEJIHBBECHGOOPMGOOHMEACCCAA.johnbarra@optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <42C1ED58.105@whidbey.com>

Greetings,

I recently downloaded the MacOSX package and installed it on my wife's 
iBook so she would have the same filter quality on the road as she did 
at home. For some reason, the process seems to die every once in a 
while, and I can't see how to start it again other than restarting the 
entire system.

Any hints?

Van


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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun 29 03:29:00 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:29:00 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion for SpamBayes: statistics for
	processedmessages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328E46D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0316@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm using spambayes for 6 months now and I found it amazing! 
> Despite of this I've seen that there aren't any statistics for emails
> processed by spambayes.

Message processing statistics have been vastly improved in 1.1.  If you're
using the Outlook plug-in, then give 1.1a1 a try, and see what you think.

The tracker for this request is:

[ 765924 ] Spam / ham statistics
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=765924&group_id=61
702&atid=498106>

Feel free to add comments there if there are other statistics that you feel
would be worth adding.

> CVS would be great also because it could be useful when 
> importing data into an application like excel to make
> statistical calculation or plot graphs showing spam trends...

The statistics are output to the log file (with the Outlook plug-in) when
Outlook is closed.  You could grab them from there and put them in a file of
some type.  If you really feel that being able to "export" the statistics
into a CSV file would be useful, then please either add this to the tracker
above, or open a new one for it.  (I could certainly see this being added,
if there was demand for it).

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun 29 03:31:57 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:31:57 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] I hope this is a simple question
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E80328E486@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0317@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> If I follow the instructions under the section "SpamBayes
> is not available for all users on the machine";  will the
> learned file be shared between the 2 profiles?

No.  Configuration and training are separate.

> Is there a install situation where it is shared?

No, but you can set this up manually if you want.  The configuration guide
explains how to change the "data directory" in which SpamBayes stores the
database.  You could put this somewhere that both users have access to and
then it would be shared.  Concurrent access isn't supported, so you would
have to be sure that both users didn't have Outlook open at the same time
(via fast user switching, for example).

=Tony.Meyer

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Jun 29 04:53:22 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:53:22 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] I hope this is a simple question
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E8033C41C4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB031A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> So I use fast user switching, does this mean I'm toast?  That 
> I'll have to go find another app?

If you don't share the database (which is better anyway), then it should be
fine.

=Tony.Meyer

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Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:25:49 +0000
Subject: [Spambayes] =?iso-8859-1?q?Additional_earning!_More_than_750_EURO?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?S__per_week?=
Message-ID: <f26701c57c73$a9ec20a5$6c28e6ad@surrealismo.com>

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From spambayes at thehuckles.net  Wed Jun 29 10:05:09 2005
From: spambayes at thehuckles.net (Spambayes)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:05:09 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter & MS Exchange Server
Message-ID: <42C25635.7090302@thehuckles.net>

I'm trying to use sb_imapfilter with MS Exchange (2003, I think).

The problem I have is that I'm forced to use Outlook Web Access and I 
don't have access to a windows box I can run Outlook on all the time 
which means the plugin isn't an option.

imapfilter cannot connect to the server no matter what I use as my 
username and password e.g.

username
MS domain/username
username at domain

etc.

Is this possible?

Ta.


From rmezzone at pjsolomon.com  Wed Jun 29 12:40:05 2005
From: rmezzone at pjsolomon.com (Robert Mezzone)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:40:05 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter & MS Exchange Server
Message-ID: <D71A62BA7CA7AB40ACBA500EF30BB63DAB66ED@pjscms>

You should check with your admininstrator. The IMAP service on a new Exchange 2003 installation is disabled by default. This could explain your connection problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces at python.org <spambayes-bounces at python.org>
To: spambayes at python.org <spambayes at python.org>
Sent: Wed Jun 29 04:05:09 2005
Subject: [Spambayes] imapfilter & MS Exchange Server

I'm trying to use sb_imapfilter with MS Exchange (2003, I think).

The problem I have is that I'm forced to use Outlook Web Access and I 
don't have access to a windows box I can run Outlook on all the time 
which means the plugin isn't an option.

imapfilter cannot connect to the server no matter what I use as my 
username and password e.g.

username
MS domain/username
username at domain

etc.

Is this possible?

Ta.

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From bklein at ams-inc.com  Wed Jun 29 15:05:20 2005
From: bklein at ams-inc.com (Bob Klein)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:05:20 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug report (spyware removal disabled spambayes and
	cannot reinstall)
Message-ID: <000001c57cab$34582190$6b01a8c0@DELL2400Bob>

Using XP pro, Outlook 2002 and Spambayes 1.04
After trying to remove some suspected spyware, Spambayes stopped
working. No filtering and toolbar items dead. Uninstalled Spambayes and
reinstalled and got this logfile (attached)
Also the Tools>Options>Advanced>Com add ins indicates that an error
occurred during loading of runtime dll

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President
Applied Marketing Science, Inc.
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From kd5nwa at cox.net  Wed Jun 29 15:32:05 2005
From: kd5nwa at cox.net (KD5NWA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:32:05 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Database available?
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050629082522.01ca3e48@localhost>

I'm trying to train SpamBayes after the database got compromised, a problem 
I'm having is right now is that I get about 1 Spam for about 400 Ham 
emails, at this rate it will take a long time to train the database.

I use to get 80% Spam on my email so it wouldn't take long to train the 
database, but after trying some things to eliminate Spam my Spam rate is 
down to .025% of the emails I receive.

My question  is there available a collection of recent SPAM emails 
available that I can access to train SpamBayes?

Cecil Bayona
KD5NWA
www.qrpradio.com

'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you 
with experience.'  



From jsp at PKC.com  Wed Jun 29 16:58:01 2005
From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:58:01 -0400
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Database available?
Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15548@PKCVT01.pkc.com>

Training on errors is probably the best way to proceed.  You may be
surprised how quickly SpamBayes learns.  You could train on old spam if
you've held onto it, but if you've reduced the volume of spam that
dramatically, the content of what gets through may be different from
what used to get through, so such bulk training might not be useful.
Likewise, training on someone else's corpus of spam is not likely to do
you much good.  Think of the manual training as the price you pay for
your phenomenal success in reducing your spam.

Just out of curiosity, how did you knock it down so radically?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces at python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of KD5NWA
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:32 AM
> To: spambayes at python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Database available?
> 
> I'm trying to train SpamBayes after the database got 
> compromised, a problem 
> I'm having is right now is that I get about 1 Spam for about 400 Ham 
> emails, at this rate it will take a long time to train the database.
> 
> I use to get 80% Spam on my email so it wouldn't take long to 
> train the 
> database, but after trying some things to eliminate Spam my 
> Spam rate is 
> down to .025% of the emails I receive.
> 
> My question  is there available a collection of recent SPAM emails 
> available that I can access to train SpamBayes?
> 
> Cecil Bayona
> KD5NWA
> www.qrpradio.com
> 
> 'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level 
> then beat you 
> with experience.'

From kd5nwa at cox.net  Wed Jun 29 20:08:15 2005
From: kd5nwa at cox.net (KD5NWA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:08:15 -0500
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Database available?
In-Reply-To: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15548@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
References: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15548@PKCVT01.pkc.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050629123811.01cd9480@localhost>

It was so simple it hurts.

I have a hosting account, I created a new account and told my friends about 
the temporary new address, I then deleted my email accounts, after two 
weeks I created them again and started using them. Six month later, it's 
still pretty clean, I tried before deleting the account for one week, but 
that didn't work.

I think that they basically took me off their list, all I know is that it 
worked, I tried the same thing on my son's email accounts and he is also 
SPAM free so far. I subscribe to about 20 Yahoo groups plus others and so 
far I'm OK.

When I used 1.03 by the time it got about 10 SPAM's it was already figuring 
out a lot of SPAM, but when I switched to 1.04 my problems started.

The problems started when it would classify obvious "SPAM" as "HAM" but 
when you went to correct it, the email was not in the review screen, after 
a short period the database was so messed up it could not figure out 
anything correctly. twice so far I have gone in and deleted all databases 
from SpamBayes and the problem is the same.

With 1.04 I already have over 100 SPAM emails that it has received and 
still all it says is that it's "unsure" it almost never categorizes 
anything as "SPAM" anymore.

I have three PC's that receive the same email, they are not set to delete 
the emails from the ISP unless I delete the email. All three are doing the 
same thing. The funny thing is that I have a older laptop that I don't use 
very much, I upgraded it to V1.04, once a week I fire it up and use it and 
read all the emails that have not been deleted. That PC is running on 
Windows 2000 instead of XP like the others, it's database has not been 
corrupted, and it still extremely accurate at detecting SPAM. I copied it's 
databases from the laptop to the other three PC's and within a couple of 
weeks after constantly making mistakes in classifying mail the database was 
useless.

I'm seriously thinking about going back to 1.03 and hope the problem isn't 
caused by a patch from Microsoft.


At 09:58 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote:
>Training on errors is probably the best way to proceed.  You may be
>surprised how quickly SpamBayes learns.  You could train on old spam if
>you've held onto it, but if you've reduced the volume of spam that
>dramatically, the content of what gets through may be different from
>what used to get through, so such bulk training might not be useful.
>Likewise, training on someone else's corpus of spam is not likely to do
>you much good.  Think of the manual training as the price you pay for
>your phenomenal success in reducing your spam.
>
>Just out of curiosity, how did you knock it down so radically?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spambayes-bounces at python.org
> > [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of KD5NWA
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:32 AM
> > To: spambayes at python.org
> > Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Database available?
> >
> > I'm trying to train SpamBayes after the database got
> > compromised, a problem
> > I'm having is right now is that I get about 1 Spam for about 400 Ham
> > emails, at this rate it will take a long time to train the database.
> >
> > I use to get 80% Spam on my email so it wouldn't take long to
> > train the
> > database, but after trying some things to eliminate Spam my
> > Spam rate is
> > down to .025% of the emails I receive.
> >
> > My question  is there available a collection of recent SPAM emails
> > available that I can access to train SpamBayes?
> >
> > Cecil Bayona
> > KD5NWA
> > www.qrpradio.com
> >
> > 'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level
> > then beat you
> > with experience.'
>
>
>--
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.5/32 - Release Date: 6/27/2005

Cecil Bayona
KD5NWA
www.qrpradio.com

'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you 
with experience.'  



From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 30 03:24:39 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:24:39 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug report (spyware removal disabled spambayes
	andcannot reinstall)
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E8033C433F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0322@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Using XP pro, Outlook 2002 and Spambayes 1.04
> After trying to remove some suspected spyware, Spambayes 
> stopped working. No filtering and toolbar items dead. 
> Uninstalled Spambayes and reinstalled and got this logfile 
> (attached) Also the Tools>Options>Advanced>Com add ins 
> indicates that an error occurred during loading of runtime dll

[In the log]
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "addin.py", line 72, in ?
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> 'C:\\DOCUME~1\\BOB\\LOCALS~1\\Temp\\spambayes1.log'

This indicates that the user does not have permission to write to the
Windows temp directory.  This is a requirement of using the binary version
of SpamBayes (a *large* number of programs will want to write to the temp
directory; you really should fix this).

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 30 03:36:39 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:36:39 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Database available?
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E8033C4348@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801B0F79A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> My question is there available a collection of recent SPAM emails 
> available that I can access to train SpamBayes?

You can get spam from <http://spamarchive.org> and the SpamAssassin Public
Archive <http://spamassassin.apache.org/publiccorpus/>.

Generally this isn't a good idea, though.  You should try to just train on
spam that you get, as that will look most like any future spam that you get.
I agree with Jesse that doing train-on-error (including unsures) is the best
way to go.

<http://entrian.com/sbwiki/TrainingIdeas> has much more about this.

> The problems started when it would classify obvious "SPAM" as 
> "HAM" but when you went to correct it, the email was not in the
> review screen,

If mail doesn't appear in the review page (and you haven't changed any of
the caching options, and it's less than 7 days ago), then it most likely
*wasn't* classified as ham, it probably failed to be classified.  Check the
message for a "X-Spambayes-Exception" header.  If there is one, then it
indicates that something went wrong while trying to classify.  If you can't
figure out what the problem is (the FAQ may help), then ask here, including
the content of the exception header.

> With 1.04 I already have over 100 SPAM emails that it has 
> received and still all it says is that it's "unsure" it
> almost never categorizes anything as "SPAM" anymore.

See FAQ 4.7:
<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#why-did-spambayes-mark-this-obvious-spam-unsu
re>.  The most likely cause is a database imbalance, but we need to see
clues to know for sure.

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From trevlantin at fairlift.com  Thu Jun 30 04:39:15 2005
From: trevlantin at fairlift.com (Robert Lantin)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:39:15 +0800
Subject: [Spambayes] installation query
References: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB01EF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <008801c57d1c$e8928580$7101a8c0@mis01>

I am currently using spambayes on one unit only. But if ever i wish to
install it on other units, what database files (filenames) should I copy to
the new installation so that my trained messages (and other working
settings) will be carried over.

-Trev



From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jun 30 04:30:05 2005
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:30:05 +1200
Subject: [Spambayes] installation query
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E8033C43CD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0329@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> [...] if ever 
> i wish to install it on other units, what database files 
> (filenames) should I copy to the new installation so that my 
> trained messages (and other working settings) will be carried over.

Please see FAQ 3.6:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#can-i-share-move-my-training-data-from-one-co
mputer-to-another>

=Tony.Meyer

-- 
Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. 


From dino.gioseffi at mediobanca.it  Thu Jun 30 11:14:36 2005
From: dino.gioseffi at mediobanca.it (Gioseffi Dino)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:14:36 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] problem
Message-ID: <142177B7CB694B4183C4A43C0D6BDA9A4B3ED5@mbexchange-ms.mbnet.ad>

Hi,
Spambayes doesn't work. I run the program but I don't see the folder
Spambayes in the application data. 
With outlook 2000 and windows NT was fine and great, now with Windows xp
professional and Outlook 2003 it doesn't work.
I try to reinstall the program a lot of time but it's always the same: I
don't see the add in bar in outlook.
In the tools, options, other, advanced options, com add in I see the
tools, I check it, press ok, but when I re open com add-ins it is
unchecked...quite strange.
Could you help me????
 
Attached the log files
 
Dino Gioseffi 
Coverage & Corporate Finance 
Mediobanca - Banca di Credito Finanziario S.p.A. 
Piazzetta Enrico Cuccia, 1 
20121 Milano 
  
Phone: +39 028829928 - Mob.: +39 335 54 03 910
Fax: +39 028829945 
e-mail: dino.gioseffi at mediobanca.it <mailto:dino.gioseffi at mediobanca.it
<mailto:dino.gioseffi at mediobanca.it> >
 
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From vys0 at epf.pl  Thu Jun 30 13:56:29 2005
From: vys0 at epf.pl (Vys0)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:56:29 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] ErrorDB in 1.1a1 from CVS :/
In-Reply-To: <200506272012.47549.vys0@epf.pl>
References: <200506272012.47549.vys0@epf.pl>
Message-ID: <200506301356.29896.vys0@epf.pl>

Tony, what is your advice - shall I get back to 1.0.4 ? Or is there any 
chance, that 1.1a1 will finally start working fine at my place ?

Dnia poniedzia?ek, 27 czerwca 2005 20:12, Vys0 napisa?:
> as in topic:
> have had 1.0.4, CVS'ed to 1.1a1, worked fine for 2-3 days, and today:
> -----------------------
> [vys0 at agnich spambayes]$ sb_server.py
> SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.1a1 (April 2005)
>
> Loading database... Listener on port 1210 is proxying www.maximail.pl:110
> Listener on port 1211 is proxying zasp.zasp.pl:110
> Listener on port 1212 is proxying hydral.com.pl:110
> Listener on port 1213 is proxying nowyport.pl:110
> Listener on port 1214 is proxying wiedzmin.org:995
> User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
> Can't connect to hydral.com.pl:110: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
> Can't connect to wiedzmin.org:995: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
> error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel
> <__main__.ServerLineReader connected wiedzmin.org:995 at 0xb7800c4c>
> (socket.sslerror:(8, 'EOF occurred in violation of protocol')
> [/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|read|69]
> [/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|
> handle_read_event|390]
> [/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|
> handle_read|88] [/usr/bin/sb_server.py|recv_ssl|205])
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 564, in onRetr
>     msg.addSBHeaders(prob, clues)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 452,
> in addSBHeaders
>     self.RememberClassification(disposition)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 401,
> in RememberClassification
>     self.modified()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 377,
> in modified
>     self.message_info_db.store_msg(self)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 181,
> in store_msg
>     self.db[msg.getDBKey()] = attributes
>   File "/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/shelve.py",
> line 130, in __setitem__
>     self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()
>   File
> "/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py",
> line 120, in __setitem__
> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database
> recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument')
>
> Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
> error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run
> recovery') in <bound method MessageInfoDB.__del__ of
> <spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 0xb7800dec>> ignored
> Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
> error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run
> recovery') in  ignored
> Exception bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
> error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run
> recovery') in  ignored
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 564, in onRetr
>     msg.addSBHeaders(prob, clues)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 452,
> in addSBHeaders
>     self.RememberClassification(disposition)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 401,
> in RememberClassification
>     self.modified()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 377,
> in modified
>     self.message_info_db.store_msg(self)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 181,
> in store_msg
>     self.db[msg.getDBKey()] = attributes
>   File "/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/shelve.py",
> line 130, in __setitem__
>     self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()
>   File
> "/usr/src/build/475206-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py",
> line 120, in __setitem__
> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database
> recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument')
> ---------------------
>
> is it related to the conection error (gateway was down for some time).
>
> Hoping to get it to work finally ... :)
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From emmerlyn at libero.it  Thu Jun 30 15:47:24 2005
From: emmerlyn at libero.it (Matteo Merlin)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:47:24 +0200
Subject: [Spambayes] R: Suggestion for SpamBayes: statistics for
	processedmessages
In-Reply-To: <ECBA357DDED63B4995F5C1F5CBE5B1E801DB0316@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <auto-000213111147@mailfe03.swip.net>

Hi, I'm still me,
			actually I gave a try to the v1.1a1 and I found some
nice statistics. However I would like to have some others reports, mainly
more on "spamming" statistics than on spambayes capabilities.

In particular I think it could be interesting to add:
	1 - total spam, good, false positive and false negative messages in
a 	    day for each day of a month
	2 - total spam, good, false positive and false negative messages in
a 	    month for each month of a year
	3 - total spam, good, false positive and false negative messages in
a 	    year (for all years spent using spambayes)
	4 - mean values for the preceding points (not very mandatory because
they could be calculated from the points above)

So, the real interesting points are the first three ones. With them one
could be able to build histograms or generic plot of spam phenomena and its
evolution. 

(Just to know, the commercial antispam software called SpamBully already
have the values I reported above, but I noticed that spambayes is better
than spambully and I would like to have this feature also in spambayes).

Thanks for your time.
See you!

Matteo


> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer at ihug.co.nz]
> Inviato: mercoled? 29 giugno 2005 3.29
> A: 'Matteo Merlin'; spambayes at python.org
> Oggetto: RE: [Spambayes] Suggestion for SpamBayes: statistics for
> processedmessages
> 
> > I'm using spambayes for 6 months now and I found it amazing!
> > Despite of this I've seen that there aren't any statistics for emails
> > processed by spambayes.
> 
> Message processing statistics have been vastly improved in 1.1.  If you're
> using the Outlook plug-in, then give 1.1a1 a try, and see what you think.
> 
> The tracker for this request is:
> 
> [ 765924 ] Spam / ham statistics
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=765924&group_id=
> 61
> 702&atid=498106>
> 
> Feel free to add comments there if there are other statistics that you
> feel
> would be worth adding.
> 
> > CVS would be great also because it could be useful when
> > importing data into an application like excel to make
> > statistical calculation or plot graphs showing spam trends...
> 
> The statistics are output to the log file (with the Outlook plug-in) when
> Outlook is closed.  You could grab them from there and put them in a file
> of
> some type.  If you really feel that being able to "export" the statistics
> into a CSV file would be useful, then please either add this to the
> tracker
> above, or open a new one for it.  (I could certainly see this being added,
> if there was demand for it).
> 
> =Tony.Meyer
> 
> --
> Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies
> (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes.
> http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.


From odegani at pacbell.net  Thu Jun 30 17:49:52 2005
From: odegani at pacbell.net (Oded)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:49:52 -0700
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes lost its mind...
Message-ID: <20050630154958.0721C1E4002@bag.python.org>

All of a sudden, Spambayes started moving all of my good massages to the
junk mail folder. I "retrained" it, without any noticeable improvements. How
do I fix this problem?

Oded  
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