From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 1 04:02:19 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 1 04:02:35 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] filter problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > However, mails from "NASA" keep getting delivered to "spam" > folder, despite the fact I train/retrain the filter not to > treat it as "spam". The only way to know why a message scored what it did is to look at the clues. Next time a message is misclassified (before you do any training on it) take a look at the clues - if you can't see why it's scoring what it is, then forward them on to the list, and we can help out. You can see the clues list via the web interface (you can use sb_upload or just sb_server and use the form on the main page), or there's a script to print them out in CVS (and will be in 1.1) in the contrib/ directory, or if you turn on the X-Spambayes-Evidence header they will be there. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From chaseeng at optusnet.com.au Fri Apr 1 10:57:32 2005 From: chaseeng at optusnet.com.au (Brian Palmer) Date: Fri Apr 1 10:56:33 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Confused user? Message-ID: <014901c53698$d882b220$ea86ecdc@e3g8q3> Hello Spambayes, I am thoroughly confused by Spambayes, having installed it recently and - I thought - followed the instructions to the letter. I gave it a ham and spam lesson and continued to try to educate it whenever spam appeared. The problem is that it makes no attempt to stop spam - my present count is 190 spams - and it doesn't appear to accept any new spam training. When I point the cursor at the Spambayes Icon, it shows :- Spambayes 0 spam 0 ham 0 unsure 0 sessions 0 active On the Home Page I read :- POP3 proxy running on 110, proxying to mail.optusnet.com.au:110. Active POP3 conversations: 0. POP3 conversations this session: 0. Emails classified this session: 0 spam, 0 ham, 0 unsure. Total emails trained: Spam: 191 Ham: 66 My incoming mail is a POP3 Server on Port 110. What else can I tell you??....................H.........E..........L.............P Thanks & regards, Brian Chase Engineering Pty Ltd PO Box 108 St Ives NSW 2075 Tel : (02) 9439 8299 Fax : (02) 9449 9225 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050401/f9c338e3/attachment.htm From ppdollet at free.fr Fri Apr 1 15:18:43 2005 From: ppdollet at free.fr (Paul Philipon-Dollet) Date: Fri Apr 1 15:18:56 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Help proposal Message-ID: Hi, I'm using SpamBayes and it works great. If you ever need to translate menus and documentation in french, I'd be happy to help. Best regards, Paul Philipon-Dollet Technical Writer Tel.: +33 (0)1.42.05.06.52 Tel.: +33 (0)6.16.26.93.72 From oghjr at ahsatty.com Fri Apr 1 15:47:49 2005 From: oghjr at ahsatty.com (Olen Haynes) Date: Fri Apr 1 15:46:51 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes Message-ID: <000401c536c1$686896c0$6710a8c0@OLENJR> Good morning: we have installed Spam Bayes on our work computers. However, I often will receive emails from persons that I know to be non-spam, and those messages are being deleted. Once deleted, I cannot find them in either my deleted mailbox, or anywhere else. Is there anything that I can do to: (1) find those emails that have been mistakenly deleted, and/or (2) ensure that they aren't deleted in the future? Olen G. Haynes, Jr. Arnold, Haynes, and Sanders Attorneys at Law P.O. Box 1879 Johnson City, TN 37601 (423)-928-0165 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050401/ac40d600/attachment.html From oxyme at wanadoo.nl Fri Apr 1 17:40:47 2005 From: oxyme at wanadoo.nl (Roger) Date: Fri Apr 1 17:40:54 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Does spambayes work with Exchange? Message-ID: <424D6B7F.4060305@wanadoo.nl> We've been using spambayes as Outlook plugin, and the results are great. However, when we use webmail, we still see all spam mail. Is it possible to use spambayes in front of our Exchange server, so we can filter out spam before it gets into the user's mailbox? We use Exchange Server 2000 on Windows 2000. Is there a manual on how to configure this? Thanks! Roger From eddieg at talonsolutions.com Sat Apr 2 01:17:58 2005 From: eddieg at talonsolutions.com (Eddie Gomez) Date: Sat Apr 2 01:18:06 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Adding Spambayes to another User Profile on the same machine Message-ID: <000001c53711$0c8a5050$800101df@VaioS360P> Here's the specs on my laptop: WinXP Pro Service Pack 2 Spambayes 1.0.4 I originally had one account set up on my laptop running Outlook2002 (XP) and spambayes is currently configured and running on that account. I had to connect to a different domain on a closed network so basically, it created an entire new network profile. So now when I log into the domain, of course Outlook configures itself for the first time and nothing is added to it. It's just like having a separate user-account and folders. Even though I have spambayes installed and running under my local user account, I would like to have it running under my domain user account as well. It is obviously installed but the hooks have not been made to that particular instance of Outlook. Can I somehow re-run the setup without disturbing the configuration for my other login? I'm worried that by re-running the downloaded spambayes application, I'm going to blow everything away when it installs to the C:\program files\spambayes directory. Please advise. eddie From jim.correia at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 16:49:51 2005 From: jim.correia at gmail.com (Jim Correia) Date: Sat Apr 2 16:49:53 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Concurrent DB access leads to corruption? (FAQ question) Message-ID: <1a4ecae2050402064978ebe16@mail.gmail.com> At http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#my-database-keeps-getting-corrupted the FAQ says: Despite the efforts of the developers, there are still occasional problems with database corruption. Known potential causes include: 1. Accessing the database files from more than one process concurrently. 2. Interupting SpamBayes in the midst of training (through a program or machine crash, for example). Is this information current? I'm evaluation SpamBayes as a replacement for bogofilter in a current production environment. I will be using sb_filter.py as well as sb_imapfilter.pyc for retraining (for starters). The cron task could fire at the same time as procmail. Does sb use internal locks to prevent this situation? Is there otherwise a way to avoid corruption with unavoidable concurrent access? Thanks, Jim From jim.correia at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 17:09:17 2005 From: jim.correia at gmail.com (Jim Correia) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:09:21 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Concurrent DB access leads to corruption? (FAQ question) Message-ID: <1a4ecae20504020709786b4204@mail.gmail.com> At http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#my-database-keeps-getting-corrupted the FAQ says: Despite the efforts of the developers, there are still occasional problems with database corruption. Known potential causes include: 1. Accessing the database files from more than one process concurrently. 2. Interupting SpamBayes in the midst of training (through a program or machine crash, for example). Is this information current? I'm evaluation SpamBayes as a replacement for bogofilter in a current production environment. I will be using sb_filter.py as well as sb_imapfilter.pyc for retraining (for starters). The cron task could fire at the same time as procmail. Does sb use internal locks to prevent this situation? Is there otherwise a way to avoid corruption with unavoidable concurrent access? Thanks, Jim From skip at pobox.com Sat Apr 2 17:25:04 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:25:11 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Concurrent DB access leads to corruption? (FAQ question) In-Reply-To: <1a4ecae20504020709786b4204@mail.gmail.com> References: <1a4ecae20504020709786b4204@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <16974.47440.731026.93987@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jim> 1. Accessing the database files from more than one process Jim> concurrently. Jim> Is this information current? Yes, I believe it still is. Most SpamBayes usage scenarios involve just one of the applications, so there's been no crying need to add locking so they can operate concurrently. I think it would be fairly difficult to implement anyway. Some apps, like sb_filter, only keep the db open briefly. Others, like sb_imapfilter and sb_bnfilter (via it's background server) want to keep the database open for long periods. An application waiting on one of these applications to release the lock would probably need some way to signal the long-running app to close the database. Jim> The cron task could fire at the same time as procmail. Does sb use Jim> internal locks to prevent this situation? Is there otherwise a way Jim> to avoid corruption with unavoidable concurrent access? Not that I'm aware of. Feel free to implement something and toss it back over the wall. ;-) Skip From jim.correia at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 19:19:35 2005 From: jim.correia at gmail.com (Jim Correia) Date: Sat Apr 2 19:19:43 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] UnicodeEncodeError raised for bogus Content-Type header Message-ID: <1a4ecae205040209196b4f0a07@mail.gmail.com> Still evaluating and learning about SpamBayes before attempting to put it into production use. I ran into a problem where a message (actual message from my March mail spool) causes a UnicodeEncodeError to be raised due to a bogus Content-Type header. As the welcome message suggested, I've written a bug. 1175439 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1175439&group_id=61702&atid=498103 I see that SpamBayes will sometimes catch exceptions and write an exception header, but it doesn't in this case. The exception originates in the email package, and the problem affects at least two high level scripts, so I'm not even sure where to start looking to hack together a patch. Advice or workarounds? Thanks, Jim From sfxphil at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 2 21:19:06 2005 From: sfxphil at sbcglobal.net (Phil Warren) Date: Sat Apr 2 21:19:09 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Filters Message-ID: <424EF02A.1050702@sbcglobal.net> I was reading with great interest your information on Spam Filtering and wondered if you could suggest a filter or software suitable for use on my Macs I currently run 10 Macs all wirelessly linked and use mainly Netscape Navigator 7.2 Browsers and its associated mail program, we rum OS 10 ( Panther ) and have about 25 pop e-mail accounts which get on average 2000 spams a day total. Challenge / Response was my first thought but i don't want to have my e-mails sitting on someone else's server with all the associated problems that could entail. I also read that as Challenge Response systems get more prolific the chances of sending a challenge to another challenge system is growing fast. If you know of a software that i can purchase the would fit my system i would be grateful to hear of it. I should mention i am not a programmer so something simple would be nice Thanks Phil Warren A.I.I.P. C.L.T. From wsy at merl.com Sat Apr 2 21:51:51 2005 From: wsy at merl.com (wsy) Date: Sat Apr 2 21:51:58 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Concurrent DB access leads to corruption? (FAQ question) In-Reply-To: <16974.47440.731026.93987@montanaro.dyndns.org> (message from Skip Montanaro on Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:25:04 -0600) References: <1a4ecae20504020709786b4204@mail.gmail.com> <16974.47440.731026.93987@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200504021951.j32JpplP021815@spoo.merl.com> From: Skip Montanaro Jim> 1. Accessing the database files from more than one process Jim> concurrently. Jim> Is this information current? Yes, I believe it still is. Most SpamBayes usage scenarios involve just one of the applications, so there's been no crying need to add locking so they can operate concurrently. I think it would be fairly difficult to implement anyway. Some apps, like sb_filter, only keep the db open briefly. Others, like sb_imapfilter and sb_bnfilter (via it's background server) want to keep the database open for long periods. An application waiting on one of these applications to release the lock would probably need some way to signal the long-running app to close the database. Jim> The cron task could fire at the same time as procmail. Does sb use Jim> internal locks to prevent this situation? Is there otherwise a way Jim> to avoid corruption with unavoidable concurrent access? Not that I'm aware of. Feel free to implement something and toss it back over the wall. ;-) Toss it over my wall too, please! :-) The problem seems to be that if you have an NFS-mounted directory containing your files of interest, there is *no* gauranteed way to lock it without using an "out of band" communications system that gaurantees sequential serialized delivery of messages with confirmation. TCP/IP is one such, but NFS semantics are _not_. So... unless you want to add a TCP-accessed lock server, there doesn't seem to be a way to provide gauranteed (not just unlikely, *gauranteed*) locking, even among processes that *want* to cooperate. If I am wrong in this, *please* tell me how to do it. I want to know. (and no, lockfile(1) is merely NFS-resistant, not NFS-proof; it will fail to prevent corruption under certain loadings and/or client/server mixes). -Bill Yerazunis From jim.correia at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 22:16:18 2005 From: jim.correia at gmail.com (Jim Correia) Date: Sat Apr 2 22:16:20 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Concurrent DB access leads to corruption? (FAQ question) In-Reply-To: <200504021951.j32JpplP021815@spoo.merl.com> References: <1a4ecae20504020709786b4204@mail.gmail.com> <16974.47440.731026.93987@montanaro.dyndns.org> <200504021951.j32JpplP021815@spoo.merl.com> Message-ID: <1a4ecae2050402121633f38666@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 2:51 PM, wsy wrote: > Toss it over my wall too, please! :-) > > The problem seems to be that if you have an NFS-mounted directory > containing your files of interest, there is *no* gauranteed way > to lock it without using an "out of band" communications system that > gaurantees sequential serialized delivery of messages with confirmation. > TCP/IP is one such, but NFS semantics are _not_. It was my (perhaps incorrect) understanding that some recent NFS implementations (like the one which ships with current versions of Mac OS X) did file locking. Nonetheless, I'd be happy with a locking implementation that required a non-NFS disk. a) I don't use an NFS home directory. b) This seems to be a fairly common requirement. :-) Jim From skip at pobox.com Sat Apr 2 22:49:46 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Sat Apr 2 22:49:52 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Filters In-Reply-To: <424EF02A.1050702@sbcglobal.net> References: <424EF02A.1050702@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <16975.1386.107690.940706@montanaro.dyndns.org> Phil> I currently run 10 Macs all wirelessly linked and use mainly Phil> Netscape Navigator 7.2 Browsers and its associated mail program, Phil> we rum OS 10 ( Panther ) and have about 25 pop e-mail accounts Phil> which get on average 2000 spams a day total. (With that email address I don't suppose you work for SFX/Clear Channel, do you? ;-) Phil, You didn't say where your pop mailboxes are located, but if they are on one of your Macs, you probably already have postfix installed. If they are on another Unix/Linux box, if you don't have postfix, it's easily installed. It has a number of nice features that help suppress spams. I recently started using greylisting on my Linux mail server. It has done wonders for the amount of spam that needs to be fed to SpamBayes, and thus makes its job much easier. Here's a plot of the number of hams, spams and total number of messages classified by SpamBayes between November 6, 2004 and April 1, 2005. I switched from sendmail to postfix in December and on March 25th started taking postfix's spam prevention capabilities seriously. http://manatee.mojam.com/~skip/sb.png To use greylisting w/ postfix you will probably have to upgrade to 2.1.x. My Mac OSX laptop runs 2.0.10. The later version is required to use greylisting in a straightforward way. For details, start at the postfix docs page: http://www.postfix.org/docs.html and search for "UCE". I used this article as the basis for most of my setup: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/free_issues/issue_02/focus_spam_postfix/ I use the postgrey greylisting tool: http://isg.ee.ethz.ch/tools/postgrey/ -- Skip Montanaro skip@pobox.com From jim.correia at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 01:10:44 2005 From: jim.correia at gmail.com (Jim Correia) Date: Sun Apr 3 01:10:47 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Concurrent DB access leads to corruption? (FAQ question) In-Reply-To: <16974.47440.731026.93987@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <1a4ecae20504020709786b4204@mail.gmail.com> <16974.47440.731026.93987@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1a4ecae205040215102db65799@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 10:25 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Yes, I believe it still is. Most SpamBayes usage scenarios involve just one > of the applications, so there's been no crying need to add locking so they > can operate concurrently. We'll I'm definitely a SpamBayes newbie, so maybe I am going about it the wrong way. In my bogofilter setup I filtered may via procmail, and retrained using a custom python script that talked to the imap server. I was trying to replicate this process in SpamBayes (using sb_filter.py from procmail, and sb_imapfilter.py for retraining), partly because it is familiar, partly because reading through the sb_imapfilter source lead me to believe it would be inefficient for classification of my mail since it walks the inbox completely every time, and I tend to leave a couple of thousand messages in there. (Of course, I could have read the source incorrectly, and even if I have, I should measure to see how slow it is or isn't.) Is there a better way to deal with my setup? I'll do more digging in the documentation. > I think it would be fairly difficult to implement anyway. Some apps, > like sb_filter, only keep the db open briefly. Others, like > sb_imapfilter and sb_bnfilter (via it's background server) want to keep > the database open for long periods. An application waiting on one of > these applications to release the lock would probably need some way to > signal the long-running app to close the database. I see. If that is what is going on (I'm not yet familiar with the code) it sounds like it would require some rearchitecting at the very least. > Not that I'm aware of. Feel free to implement something and toss it back > over the wall. ;-) Understood. Thanks, Jim From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 01:07:02 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 01:07:13 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Adding Spambayes to another User Profile on the samemachine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Even though I have spambayes installed and running under my > local user account, I would like to have it running under my > domain user account as well. It is obviously installed but > the hooks have not been made to that particular instance of Outlook. > > Can I somehow re-run the setup without disturbing the > configuration for my other login? If you run the outlook_addin_register.exe program (in the bin directory of the directory you installed SpamBayes into) it will register the plug-in for the current user. Alternatively, you can run it with HKEY_CURRENT_MACHINE as a command line parameter and it will register the plug-in for all users. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 01:39:28 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 01:39:41 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Concurrent DB access leads to corruption? (FAQquestion) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Skip] > Yes, I believe it still is. Most SpamBayes usage scenarios > involve just one of the applications, so there's been no > crying need to add locking so they can operate concurrently. CVS Head (or 1.1a1 when it's out) supports using ZEO as a database backend. (It hasn't been tested much, but I have been using the ZODB (FileStorage) backend for months without any problems). I think with ZEO any potential problems would raise ConflictErrors, which you could catch (in the ZEOStorage class in storage.py, presumably) and deal with appropriately. Just a suggestion about one way to go... =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 01:45:06 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 01:45:16 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Concurrent DB access leads to corruption? (FAQquestion) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [...] > reading through the sb_imapfilter > source lead me to believe it would be inefficient for > classification of my mail since it walks the inbox completely > every time, and I tend to leave a couple of thousand messages > in there. (Of course, I could have read the source > incorrectly, and even if I have, I should measure to see how > slow it is or isn't.) You're probably right. sb_imapfilter does run through all messages in your 'watch' folders. (More specifically, it does a search for all undeleted messages, then gets just the headers (no body) for all of those. It then compares the MessageID header to the message database, and classifies (including getting the full message) only those which haven't been seen already. This could probably be changed to just do a search for the MessageID (or X-Spambayes-ID) header, which would speed it up a little. Patches are welcome :) =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 01:46:16 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 01:46:25 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] UnicodeEncodeError raised for bogus Content-Type header In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Still evaluating and learning about SpamBayes before > attempting to put it into production use. I ran into a > problem where a message (actual message from my March mail > spool) causes a UnicodeEncodeError to be raised due to a > bogus Content-Type header. [...] > Advice or workarounds? I've fixed this in CVS, thanks. The fix is pretty straightforward (just catch the exception in tokenizer.py), so you could apply it to your local copy if you like. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 01:48:07 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 01:48:18 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > However, I often will receive emails from persons that > I know to be non-spam, and those messages are being deleted. SpamBayes doesn't delete any mail. See FAQ 3.12: > Once deleted, I cannot find them in either my deleted mailbox, > or anywhere else. Is there anything that I can do to: (1) > find those emails that have been mistakenly deleted, and/or Have you looked in the unsure/spam folders? > (2) ensure that they aren't deleted in the future? Assuming that these were classified as unsure/spam, then find the message, select it, and click the "Recover from spam" button on the toolbar. This will both move it back to the original folder, and do the appropriate training. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 01:53:46 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 01:53:51 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Confused user? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The problem is that it makes no attempt to stop spam SpamBayes won't *stop* spam, it will just label it. You can then do whatever you like with that information - typically, you set up a message rule to move messages labelled as spam to a spam folder. [...] > POP3 proxy running on 110, proxying to mail.optusnet.com.au:110. > Active POP3 conversations: 0. > POP3 conversations this session: 0. > Emails classified this session: 0 spam, 0 ham, 0 unsure. > Total emails trained: Spam: 191 Ham: 66 Have you setup your mail client to connect to localhost (:110) rather than to mail.optusnet.com.au? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 01:58:22 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 01:58:30 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Does spambayes work with Exchange? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Is it possible to use spambayes in front of our Exchange server, > so we can filter out spam before it gets into the user's mailbox? It's possible, but not simple, and not something we have instructions for. All the information about setting up SpamBayes server-side that we have is at: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From service at paypal.com Mon Apr 4 06:14:11 2005 From: service at paypal.com (PayPal Security Service) Date: Mon Apr 4 05:20:13 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Update and Verify Your PayPal account Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050404/949e03ca/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 11:22:39 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:22:45 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have used SpamBayes for well over a year and it has > worked very well. Just recently it suddenly stopped working. It's possible that your database has died (there will be "RunRecovery" errors in the log). If that is the case, then deleting the existing database (either manually removing the two *.db files, or by retraining and ticking the "rebuild entire database" box) should fix the problem. If that isn't the case, then please send us a copy of your most recent log file (the troubleshooting guide explains where those are), as this will have the information we need to figure out what is going wrong. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 11:23:25 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:23:49 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Will not filter automatically In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have Spambayes installed and it filters fine > when I click on "Filter messages..." > > However, it won't filter on it's own. Please try this again (to generate the log entries) and send us a copy of your most recent log file (the troubleshooting guide explains where to find these). That will have the information we need to figure out what is going wrong. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 11:24:43 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:24:57 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] inbox to junk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > my spam bays sorts incoming mail and starts moving it to > junk or suspects but when the list is reviewed the junk & > suspect mail disappears. for some reason it doesn't end > up in either of these mailboxes. The most likely explanation is that it is moving there, but those folders have an Outlook view filter enabled, which is hiding the messages from view. Try disabling any view filters (View->Current View->Customize Current View->Filters) and see if the messages are then visible. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 11:28:05 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:28:16 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Sudden problem with zlib and SpamBayes 1.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Yikes. Just noticed this one. It's probably too late now, but in case it's not:] > I've been running SpamBayes 1.0 with Python 2.3 quite > successfully for a while. After a machine reboot today though, the > SpamBayes service refuses to start up. > > In the event log, I found the error message [...] > import zlib > exceptions.ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function > > If I run the pop3proxy_service in debug mode, then everything > goes just fine. Trying to start the service, and it fails. What's probably happening is that SpamBayes is now finding a zlib.dll somewhere before the one in the SpamBayes directory (e.g. in SYSTEM32). Another application probably installed one there. 1.1a1 includes a fix for this, and the next version of pywin32 will also include a (non-spambayes specific) fix, as well. If you need something to fix it now (unlikely since your message was from so long ago, I suppose) let us know and we can figure something out (perhaps using the CVS version of pop3proxy_service would work). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 11:30:54 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:31:06 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Help proposal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm using SpamBayes and it works great. If you ever need to > translate menus and documentation in french, I'd be happy to help. That would be great! 1.1 will include support for translations, and there are partial translations into Spanish and French at the moment, but the people that were providing those have been too busy to finish the work off recently. I believe there are three tasks remaining for an initial French translation: 1. The new "Notifications" tab of the SpamBayes Manager dialog needs to be translated. 2. The dynamically generated text needs to be translated (using the gettext tools). 3. All the documentation needs to be translated. If you want to work on any of those, that would be great. #3 is pretty straightforward - for #1 and #2 there are instructions in the README-DEVEL.txt file in CVS, or you can ask (here or spambayes-dev@python.org). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From michal.rodney at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 11:34:05 2005 From: michal.rodney at gmail.com (M_Rodney) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:34:15 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Download Message-ID: <000601c538f9$724a6ee0$6361b250@michal> Dear Sirs, I am trying to download the spambayes for my outlook, but I don't know which mirror to choose. I live in Israel. Could please instruct me which steps to take. Thanks in advance for your assistance Michal Rodney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050404/cbae32e9/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 11:39:50 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:40:04 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Download In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I am trying to download the spambayes for my outlook, > but I don't know which mirror to choose. All the mirrors have the same file, so it doesn't really matter which one you choose. If you choose one that's geographically close to Israel (say one of the European mirrors rather than an American one) then the download should be faster, although these things are hard to predict. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 4 11:47:00 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 4 11:47:14 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayer hangs my outlook while processing.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > When I start up outlook, it hourglasses for 5-10 minutes. > > Every time a new e-mail comes in, doesn't matter what I do, > it locks up Outlook for that period of time. > This is usually 5-30 seconds long. But sometimes longer. You could try deleting (or renaming) the *.db database files and retraining. There have been (extremely rare - two, IIRC!) cases where something weird happened to the database and any access to it would be extremely slow. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From michal.rodney at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 11:37:15 2005 From: michal.rodney at gmail.com (M_Rodney) Date: Mon Apr 4 12:08:23 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Fw: Download Message-ID: <000a01c538f9$e3722d10$6361b250@michal> Dear Sirs, I am trying to download the spambayes for my outlook, but I don't know which mirror to choose. I live in Israel. I am using Windows XP. Could please instruct me which steps to take. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Sincerely, Michal Rodney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050404/94071292/attachment.htm From tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk Mon Apr 4 13:11:14 2005 From: tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk (Toby Dickenson) Date: Mon Apr 4 13:11:16 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Concurrent DB access leads to corruption? (FAQ question) In-Reply-To: <1a4ecae20504020709786b4204@mail.gmail.com> References: <1a4ecae20504020709786b4204@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200504041211.14325.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk> On Saturday 02 April 2005 16:09, Jim Correia wrote: > I'm evaluation SpamBayes as a replacement for bogofilter in a current > production environment. I will be using sb_filter.py as well as > sb_imapfilter.pyc for retraining (for starters). > > The cron task Unless I overlooked something, you dont say *which* cron task. > could fire at the same time as procmail. Does sb use > internal locks to prevent this situation? Is there otherwise a way to > avoid corruption with unavoidable concurrent access? sb_bnfilter is a replacement for sb_filter that serialises all database access through a short-lived daemon process that it starts automatically. This was originally designed to avoid a database startup overhead for each email, but it should avoid this type of concurrent write damage too. (some other posts in this thread discuss NFS - this will definitely still be unsafe if you have concurrent writes spanning multple hosts) -- Toby Dickenson From billiemills at inficad.com Mon Apr 4 19:31:52 2005 From: billiemills at inficad.com (Billie Mills) Date: Mon Apr 4 19:58:39 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Where did it go? Message-ID: I can hear that I have a message that came through but I don't see a new one? I was checking and saw something that read ' skipping deleted folder' what does that mean? I would like to see all messages before they are permanently deleted. I think I am missing some emails. Billie From kenny.pitt at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 23:32:15 2005 From: kenny.pitt at gmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Apr 4 23:32:07 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes In-Reply-To: <000401c536c1$686896c0$6710a8c0@OLENJR> Message-ID: <4251b254.72056340.758d.0346@mx.gmail.com> To find the "deleted" mail, try FAQ 3.12: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#some-of-my-mail-is-going-missing SpamBayes does not use a whitelist of trusted senders, so there is no way to ensure 100% that a message from a particular person will never be deleted. SpamBayes analyzes the complete contents of each message, and the sender is just one clue among many. However, if you train on the messages that SpamBayes gets wrong (once you find them ), then it will quickly learn to recognize your mail more accurately. See FAQ 6.6 for more about whitelisting: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-whitelisting-bla cklisting-to-spambayes -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Olen Haynes Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:48 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes Good morning: we have installed Spam Bayes on our work computers. However, I often will receive emails from persons that I know to be non-spam, and those messages are being deleted. Once deleted, I cannot find them in either my deleted mailbox, or anywhere else. Is there anything that I can do to: (1) find those emails that have been mistakenly deleted, and/or (2) ensure that they aren't deleted in the future? Olen G. Haynes, Jr. Arnold, Haynes, and Sanders Attorneys at Law P.O. Box 1879 Johnson City, TN 37601 (423)-928-0165 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050404/952a8422/attachment.htm From drsteve2 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 5 02:50:51 2005 From: drsteve2 at earthlink.net (Dr. Stephen Dundas) Date: Tue Apr 5 03:01:57 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] I accidentally deleted my toobar buttons. How do i get them back? Message-ID: HI, I accidentally deleted my toobar buttons while trying to move them. How do I get them back? In particular, I want "delete as spam :(" and "recover from spam :)" Thanks a bunch - Love your product and reccomend it to friends! In the event it matters, my PC info is: Win98se Outlook 2000 (9.0.0.2711) Spambayes outlook adin binary version 1.0rc2 June 2004 From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 5 03:52:48 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 5 03:52:55 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Where did it go? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I can hear that I have a message that came through but I > don't see a new one? I was checking and saw something that > read ' skipping deleted folder' what does that mean? I would > like to see all messages before they are permanently deleted. > I think I am missing some emails. Please see FAQ 3.12: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 5 03:54:32 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 5 03:54:40 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] I accidentally deleted my toobar buttons. How do i getthem back? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I accidentally deleted my toobar buttons while trying to move > them. How do I get them back? In particular, I want "delete > as spam :(" and "recover from spam :)" If you right-click on blank space anywhere in the Outlook toolbars, you'll get a toolbar selection menu pop-up. Choose "Customize" and then select the SpamBayes toolbar and click "Delete". This will remove the (non-functioning) SpamBayes toolbar. If you restart Outlook SpamBayes will recreate the toolbar for you, and all should be well again. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From claude_jones at levitjames.com Tue Apr 5 08:47:11 2005 From: claude_jones at levitjames.com (Claude Jones) Date: Tue Apr 5 08:47:14 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Error: can't connect to port 8880 Message-ID: <4252346F.3070602@levitjames.com> I found many references to this error, but none of them seem to apply to my specific situation - my apology in advance if I wasn't sufficiently diligent I've installed spambayes on two Linux FC3 boxes today - both have the same problem I use Thunderbird, and by following the instructions, I was able to get the program installed, configure my mail client with appropriate filters, and start using the configuration/training interface pages to identify spam - it began working effectively very rapidly Then, I shut down the configuration interface and that stopped my mail from coming in When I tried to reopen the the interface, I just get failure to connect to port 8880 messages On both installs, I've entered localhost in my mail client pop server dialogue, kept the default port 110 for pop, and have chosen not to configure outgoing SMTP In the Spambayes configuration page, I only filled in the two boxes for pop, entering localhost and port 110. Now it would appear that my only option is to reset my mail client to not use the proxy Am I missing something painfully obvious? Another thing I'm wondering is, it wouldn't let me install except from root - is that the correct behavior? Also, there was a line in the instructions about: "You'll also need to move aside the standard "email" library - go to your Python "Lib" directory and rename "email" to "email_old". This did NOT work unless I'm doing something completely wrong. I found usr/lib/python/email and when I renamed it to email_old, the installation wouldn't go forward. Hope these aren't too many questions - -- Claude Jones Bluemont, VA, USA From anthony at interlink.com.au Tue Apr 5 10:45:05 2005 From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Tue Apr 5 10:45:29 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] UnicodeEncodeError raised for bogus Content-Type header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200504051845.06199.anthony@interlink.com.au> On Monday 04 April 2005 09:46, Tony Meyer wrote: > I've fixed this in CVS, thanks. The fix is pretty straightforward (just > catch the exception in tokenizer.py), so you could apply it to your local > copy if you like. If this is a bug in the current email parser (it should never crash) can you please log a bug on SF including an offending message as an attachment to the bug? (In the Python tracker, that is...) -- Anthony Baxter It's never too late to have a happy childhood. From karolene at earthlink.net Tue Apr 5 17:24:03 2005 From: karolene at earthlink.net (connie) Date: Tue Apr 5 14:26:09 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility problem with JoiExpress Message-ID: <000601c539f3$c1f2acf0$e6e8bd3f@connieqryawwar> i thought i had lost my mind..but i see that someone else has a problem with joi, i can't seem to rid my comp of it...i can't get on line because my browser won't work..can't downdoad, pc freezes ..do you have any ideas? thanks connie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050405/d5e099c0/attachment.htm From xesdeeni2001 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 15:35:04 2005 From: xesdeeni2001 at yahoo.com (Xesdeeni) Date: Tue Apr 5 15:35:11 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Embedded Images Message-ID: <20050405133504.84726.qmail@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm getting the same SPAM over and over (6 times so far), and the Outlook Plugin can't get a handle on it. It has the same bitmap, plus a large paragraph from a news story. Of course, the bitmap is slightly different (there is a random-looking line at the bottom that changes, plus slight color differences), and the paragraph text changes. Is there anything SPAMBytes can do about this? Does SPAMBytes consider the bitmap data as well? Am I causing problems with other e-mail by training on the bogus paragraph? Xesdeeni __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 6 02:05:30 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 6 02:05:27 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] UnicodeEncodeError raised for bogus Content-Type header In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Tony Meyer] >> I've fixed this in CVS, thanks. The fix is pretty straightforward >> (just catch the exception in tokenizer.py), so you could >> apply it to your local copy if you like. [Anthony Baxter] > If this is a bug in the current email parser (it should never > crash) can you please log a bug on SF including an offending > message as an attachment to the bug? (In the Python tracker, > that is...) This did occur with 2.4.1, but I'm not sure that it is a bug. The message parses and flattens fine; the problem occurs with calling msg.get_charsets(None) (actually in get_content_charset), which raised the UnicodeEncodeError (because the charset couldn't be converted to us-ascii). Are exceptions not supposed to occur even when using these functions? If that's the case, then I'll happily submit a (Python) bug with an example etc. I can add a patch+test too if someone tells me what the right behaviour is (add a defect and return the failobj?). =Tony.Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 6 02:14:46 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 6 02:14:38 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility problem with JoiExpress In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > i thought i had lost my mind..but i see that someone > else has a problem with joi, i can't seem to rid my > comp of it...i can't get on line because my browser > won't work..can't downdoad, pc freezes ..do you have any ideas? This sounds like you are having problems with JoiExpress, not with SpamBayes. If that's the case, we can't help - talk to whoever provided you with JoiExpress. If you're having trouble using SpamBayes *with* JoiExpress, then this message should help: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 6 02:35:28 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 6 02:35:27 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Error: can't connect to port 8880 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I use Thunderbird, and by following the instructions, I was > able to get the program installed, configure my mail client > with appropriate filters, and start using the configuration/training > interface pages to identify spam - it began working effectively > very rapidly Then, I shut down the configuration interface and that > stopped my mail from coming in "Save and Shutdown" on the web interface doesn't shutdown just the web interface, it shuts down sb_server. (If sb_server is running, then the web interface is running). Since sb_server wasn't running, the POP3 proxies weren't running, so Thunderbird couldn't connect to them. > When I tried to reopen the the interface, I just get failure > to connect to port 8880 messages That's because sb_server was shut down, and so wasn't serving the web interface. If you restart sb_server, then both the web interface and the POP3 proxies should work again. Unless you want to stop sb_server running, you shouldn't ever need to click the "Save and Shutdown" button. [...] > Another thing I'm wondering is, it wouldn't let me install > except from root - is that the correct behavior? setup.py install copies files into your Python distribution - this is probably what required the root access. This is the simplest way to go about it, but not the only way. You can install to somewhere else (run "python setup.py install --help" to get a description of the various options available). Alternatively, you can leave the unwrapped archive anywhere you like and just ensure that the directory containing the "spambayes" directory (the one with tokenizer.py in it) is included in your PYTHONPATH environment variable. > Also, there was a line in the instructions about: > "You'll also need to move aside the standard "email" > library - go to your Python "Lib" directory and rename "email" to > "email_old". > This did NOT work unless I'm doing something completely > wrong. I found usr/lib/python/email and when I renamed it > to email_old, the installation wouldn't go forward. The instructions say: """ You also need version 2.4.3 or above of the Python "email" package. If you're running Python 2.2.3 or above then you already have a good version of the email package. If not, you can download email version 2.5 from the email SIG at and install it - unpack the archive, cd to the email-2.5 directory and type "python setup.py install". This will install it into your Python site-packages directory. You'll also need to move aside the standard "email" library - go to your Python "Lib" directory and rename "email" to "email_old". """ Do you have Python 2.2.3 or above? If so, then none of this applies (as it says). If you don't, then the best thing would be to simply install Python 2.4.1, but if that isn't an option, you should carry out the instructions in the second paragraph - that isn't just renaming the old email package, but also installing the new one. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 6 02:41:38 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 6 02:41:22 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Embedded Images In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm getting the same SPAM over and over (6 times so > far), and the Outlook Plugin can't get a handle on it. > It has the same bitmap, plus a large paragraph from a > news story. Of course, the bitmap is slightly > different (there is a random-looking line at the > bottom that changes, plus slight color differences), > and the paragraph text changes. > > Is there anything SPAMBytes can do about this? > > Does SPAMBytes consider the bitmap data as well? No, images are ignored (image classification is not a simple problem). Training on the message ought to work, though, since there should be enough information in the headers to classify the message correctly. Feel free to select a misclassified message, choose "Show spam clues for this message" from the SpamBayes menu, and send the spam clues message on to the list. We can explain what it means to you, and outline any problems that it might indicate, and suggest possible ways to improve classification. > Am I causing problems with other e-mail by training on > the bogus paragraph? Probably not. =Tony.Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 6 07:12:49 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 6 07:13:07 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Error: can't connect to port 8880 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Tony: I responded several hours ago to this post, but it hasn't come > through. Is this list moderated? The list isn't moderated - I believe you sent your reply to me personally rather than to the list (or to the list and me). I received it several hours ago (but was busy at the time, so couldn't respond then). > In any event, I figured it out. It > turns out I was providing incorrect arguments to retart the python > sb_server. Once I got the command right, all was well. Good to hear. > Thanks again for your help. No worries. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From clemplem at gmx.net Wed Apr 6 13:12:05 2005 From: clemplem at gmx.net (clemplem@gmx.net) Date: Wed Apr 6 13:12:07 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] how can i extract the tokens and their spaminess-value? Message-ID: <20643.1112785925@www19.gmx.net> Hi, I am a complete newbie in matters of programming, but i urgently need your help to deeper understand tokenization and evaluation of the tokens in SB. Sorry for those who get it twice. I directly wrote to the dev-list. should have done it viceversa. I am working on an art-project for a paper, where spam should be read by a Text-To-Speech engine using the value of spaminess applied to the tokens to change the intonation of the voice. So I want to use SB in another way - hoping that this is not against the will of the inventors - to get the value of spaminess together with the tokens out of the programm. My questions therefor: 1. Is there perhaps already a testing tool that creates an output in form of a table or tagged-txt containing all single tokens of an email-body and its value of spaminess? 2. or since I suppose that this process is happening in tokenization/ classification of SB, where in the code can i find it and what would i have to change to get the solicited output? thank you for reading and helping. greetings, clem -- Sparen beginnt mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From greg at gulik.org Wed Apr 6 17:09:05 2005 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Wed Apr 6 17:09:12 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Still getting tons of false positives... Message-ID: <4253FB91.4010208@gulik.org> I've been running Spambayes on my Linux server for my family and a couple friends. I trained it for each user using the current spam-free inbox as ham and a large folder of spam as the spam seed for each user. Since we all get a LOT of false positives. It's mostly mailing list traffic. It's getting really annoying to have to go through my Junk folder several times a day pouring through spam to find a few non-spam messages. What's most annoying is that I've been trying to train Spambayes that the messages I'm finding in the Junk folder are NOT spam and I don't seem to be getting anywhere. In most cases similar messages continue to show up as SPAM. Here is a prime example. I get several Google news alerts and about 99% of these end up in my Junk folder. Rarely do they ever get past Spambayes. Here are the headers of a recent message: Return-Path: Received: from sproxy.google.com (sproxy.google.com [64.233.170.130]) by server.gagme.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j36EnIY3000455 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:49:18 -0500 Received: by sproxy.google.com with SMTP id i51so652127rne for ; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.153.44 with SMTP id a44mr1934530rne; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1112798961.910315.9f5dd03fd270b216.3865bd84@persist.google.com> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Google Alerts To: greg@gulik.org Subject: Google Alert - formula 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" X-Spambayes-Classification: spam; 0.98 X-Spambayes-Evidence: '*H*': 0.01; '*S*': 0.98; 'manage': 0.07; 'team': 0.09; 'to:addr:greg': 0.15; 'alert': 0.16; 'winner': 0.16; 'create': 0.16; 'working': 0.17; 'year': 0.18; 'management': 0.21; 'see': 0.23; 'race': 0.25; 'past': 0.28; 'header:Received:3': 0.28; 'for': 0.34; 'the': 0.34; 'make': 0.37; 'old': 0.38; 'url:0': 0.38; 'this': 0.39; 'what': 0.39; 'been': 0.39; 'subject: ': 0.60; 'proto:http': 0.61; 'url:info': 0.62; 'to:no real name:2**0': 0.62; 'url:1': 0.62; 'url:asp': 0.63; 'url:com': 0.63; 'url:www': 0.64; 'san': 0.65; 'skip:n 10': 0.71; 'subject: - ': 0.73; 'content-type:text/html': 0.75; '...': 0.84; '500': 0.84; 'car': 0.84; 'director': 0.84; 'happens': 0.84; 'marino': 0.84; 'old,': 0.84; 'topic': 0.84; 'url:ie': 0.84; 'url:oe': 0.84; 'ceo': 0.91; 'created': 0.91; 'formula': 0.91; 'friday': 0.91; 'previous': 0.91; 'url:news': 0.91; 'url:s': 0.91; 'url:remove': 0.95; 'alert.': 0.96; 'url:src': 0.96; 'brought': 0.97; 'url:http': 0.97 Here is the procedure I use to re-train the Spambayes database. I forward the message as an attachment to a special mailbox. There a script pulls the original message out (I've verified that it is indeed identical to what I received) and runs it through the following command line to train it as a non-spam: /usr/bin/sb_filter.py -d /home/greg/.hammiedb -g < message-file.txt Am I doing something wrong?? This is getting very annoying and I sometimes feel I'd be better off not running it. BTW, I know several other people who run Spambayes and they're all complaining about excessive false positives but none of them appear to be as bad as mine. -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 7 01:20:09 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 7 01:21:24 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] how can i extract the tokens and their spaminess-value? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I am working on an art-project for a paper, where spam should > be read by a Text-To-Speech engine using the value of spaminess > applied to the tokens to change the intonation of the voice. So > I want to use SB in another way - hoping that this is not against > the will of the inventors - to get the value of spaminess together > with the tokens out of the programm. The will of the inventors (as expressed in the license) is that people do what they like with it, so have fun :) > My questions therefor: > > 1. Is there perhaps already a testing tool that creates an > output in form of a table or tagged-txt containing all single > tokens of an email-body and its value of spaminess? contrib/showclues.py (in CVS or in the forthcoming 1.1a1) includes a table that has a list of all tokens in the message, their ham/spam counts, and their spamprob. You could probably extract what you want from here. (The output is much the same as the Outlook plug-in's "show spam clues for this message" function, and can also be generated via the web interface. The tokens can be included in sb_filter output via the include_evidence_header option). (Note that these give scores for the tokens that were used in the calculation, not all tokens in the message). Or you could use a custom Python script. The attached script should do what you want (assuming you have Python installed and spambayes on the PYTHONPATH) - change the call to main() to main(True) if you want all tokens rather than just the ones used in the calculation of the score. > 2. or since I suppose that this process is happening in > tokenization/ classification of SB, where in the code can i > find it and what would i have to change to get the solicited > output? Tokenization is handled in tokenizer.py, and probabilities are generated in classifier.py. You wouldn't want to change anything, just write a script like the attached. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. -------------- next part -------------- import sys import email from spambayes.tokenizer import tokenize from spambayes.storage import open_storage, database_type def main(all_tokens=False): db_name, db_type = database_type({}) bayes = open_storage(db_name, db_type) msg = email.message_from_file(open(sys.argv[1])) score, tokens = bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), True) print "Message scored", score fetchword = bayes.wordinfo.get if all_tokens: tokens = [(t, bayes.probability(fetchword(t))) \ for t in tokenize(msg) if fetchword(t) is not None] for word, prob in tokens: record = fetchword(word) if record: nham = record.hamcount nspam = record.spamcount else: nham = nspam = "-" word = repr(word) print word, " " * (35-len(word)), print " %-12g %8s %6s" % (prob, nham, nspam) if __name__ == "__main__": main() From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 7 01:54:04 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 7 01:54:14 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Still getting tons of false positives... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I trained it for each user using the current spam-free inbox > as ham and a large folder of spam as the spam seed for each user. Do the databases have roughly the same amount of ham and spam? SpamBayes works best if the ratio is close to 1::1. [...] > Here is a prime example. I get several Google news alerts > and about 99% of these end up in my Junk folder. Rarely do they > ever get past Spambayes. [...] > 'proto:http': 0.61; > 'url:info': 0.62; > 'url:com': 0.63; > 'url:www': 0.64; These indicate that it's a weak spam clue if a message has just about any URL in it (any URL with an http protocol, that has "com" or "www" in it). Would you say that that is the case? I would have thought that these would be much closer to 0.5 (and therefore ignored). > 'content-type:text/html': 0.75; This says that being in HTML is a moderately strong spam clue - would you say that this is the case? > 'car': 0.84; > 'marino': 0.84; > 'old,': 0.84; > 'topic': 0.84; > 'formula': 0.91; > 'friday': 0.91; > 'previous': 0.91; > 'brought': 0.97; These are very odd tokens to be such strong spam clues (I gather from the subject of the example message that ham about racing cars is not uncommon). Do you really get a lot of spam that would have "car"/"formula"/"friday"/etc in it? This looks like a training problem to me. How many ham/spam have you trained on? Are there definitely no mistakes? (The contrib/showclues.py script (in CVS or the forthcoming 1.1a1) displays a table that has the spam/ham count for each clue as well as the score. It would be interesting to know what the counts for some of those clues were, if you're able to run that). > BTW, I know several other people who run Spambayes and they're all > complaining about excessive false positives but none of them > appear to be as bad as mine. Personally, I wouldn't continue to use a spam filter that continually gave false positives <0.1 wink>. You should get almost none, with a well trained classifier. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From greg at gulik.org Thu Apr 7 04:22:12 2005 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Thu Apr 7 04:22:15 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Still getting tons of false positives... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42549954.3060709@gulik.org> Tony Meyer wrote: > Do the databases have roughly the same amount of ham and spam? SpamBayes > works best if the ratio is close to 1::1. Hmm, maybe not. The SPAM folder likely had more spam than the ham folder had non-spam. > These indicate that it's a weak spam clue if a message has just about any > URL in it (any URL with an http protocol, that has "com" or "www" in it). > Would you say that that is the case? I would have thought that these would > be much closer to 0.5 (and therefore ignored). Probably should be closer to .5 since a lot of the mailing lists I'm on include links. All my Slashdot E-mails end up in my SPAM folder as well. > This says that being in HTML is a moderately strong spam clue - would you > say that this is the case? Probably accurate since I rarely get HTML E-mail from my friends, only some of my automatically generated is in HTML format such as Google news alerts. > These are very odd tokens to be such strong spam clues (I gather from the > subject of the example message that ham about racing cars is not uncommon). > Do you really get a lot of spam that would have "car"/"formula"/"friday"/etc > in it? > > This looks like a training problem to me. How many ham/spam have you > trained on? Are there definitely no mistakes? > > (The contrib/showclues.py script (in CVS or the forthcoming 1.1a1) displays > a table that has the spam/ham count for each clue as well as the score. It > would be interesting to know what the counts for some of those clues were, > if you're able to run that). > > Personally, I wouldn't continue to use a spam filter that continually gave > false positives <0.1 wink>. You should get almost none, with a well trained > classifier. So I'm guessing that my best bet is to re-train the spam filter with a more accurate representation of the E-mail??? I guess in hindsight the mistake I made is my HAM training folder contained none of these types of messages because those are the types I would read and delete and wouldn't remain in my inbox for very long. -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 7 08:50:07 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 7 08:50:20 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Still getting tons of false positives... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > So I'm guessing that my best bet is to re-train the spam > filter with a more accurate representation of the E-mail??? I would say that retraining was the best bet, yes. Wiping (or moving aside) the existing databases and then following a train-on-errors regime would probably work best (unless you want to use the tte.py script, which would probably provide even better results). There's lot of information about training at: http://entrian.com/sbwiki/TrainingIdeas =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From harrysigerson at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 7 12:47:35 2005 From: harrysigerson at ntlworld.com (Harry Sigerson) Date: Thu Apr 7 12:47:34 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] How many statistics are considered as good? Message-ID: Dear Spambayes, I am using the March '05, v1.0.4 'SpamBayes' has been working away so well, thank you. I am using an email agent called 'Virtual Access', it is of the 'normal' POP3/SMTP sort. I think I should be doing something to help it. I think it may be handling too much in the way of statistics or if you like more than it needs to handle. There are 14,209 spam. There are 8,623 good messages. When I look in the C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin there are 10# folders; 3# .dll; 6# .exe; and one called sb_tray.exe.log . I've had a look at that last file but I am none the wiser. I believe that these both the ham and the spam or at least the spam(?) should be reduced in size; that the size of these files may be slowing things down. I have the impression that there is a hesitation at the start of SpamBayes working cycle. This probably is done by deleting a file or files or an early part of a file(s). Am I correct in this? If so which files should be deleted? I have read the section 4.6 "Do I need to keep the spam after it has been trained?" It explains what SpamBayes does and the minimum it needs to do it but does not tell me what to do to reduce things to that minimum. I'll continue to look; the info is no doubt there in the web site somewhere. A quick clue would be appreciated. Regards, Harry Sigerson. From mikec at mikecauser.com Thu Apr 7 17:15:07 2005 From: mikec at mikecauser.com (Mike Causer) Date: Thu Apr 7 18:19:53 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] WHICH? Magazine PRE-PUBLICATION CHECK: Anti-virus software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050407161507.1c7cd2d4.mikec@mikecauser.com> I don't recollect seeing the published report mentioned, so while in the library today I checked the archives of "Computing Which?" magazine. In the January 2005 edition they test free firewalls, virus and spam filters, including Spambayes. Unfortunately you have to look quite carefully to find Spambayes because it is called "Outlook addin" (sic) throughout. Spambayes is shown as POP3 capable, but "POP3 support is with MS Outlook only". The summary says ".... and Outlook addin, on the other hand, showed very little ability to inprove spam detection with experience" (!) However -- "Ideally a spam filter should automatically update (to get new lists of known spam and spam characteristics), clean your existing email upon installation, classify existing emails (as `spam' or `not spam' rather than `maybe spam') and integrate well with your chosen email program." I do wonder what they thought they were testing, and whether they'd bothered to read any of the documentation? Probably not, because their target market is the more clue-resistant sector of the public. And after skimming through the rest of the magazine I'd put Computing Which? at the more clue-resistant end of the publishing spectrum too. Mike -- Mike Causer Email - mailto:mikec@mikecauser.com GPG KeyID 1C2DDA07 WWW - http://www.mikecauser.com Flood the fen again! - Wicken Fen enlargement - http://www.wicken.org.uk From conradgann at yahoo.com Thu Apr 7 19:25:50 2005 From: conradgann at yahoo.com (Conrad Gann) Date: Thu Apr 7 19:26:01 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] uninstall? Message-ID: <000701c53b96$da347010$6601a8c0@ibm78a2reo8q6l> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 2743 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050407/635cc13e/attachment.jpe From tim.peters at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 20:01:08 2005 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Apr 7 20:01:11 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] uninstall? In-Reply-To: <000701c53b96$da347010$6601a8c0@ibm78a2reo8q6l> References: <000701c53b96$da347010$6601a8c0@ibm78a2reo8q6l> Message-ID: <1f7befae05040711016f1a6968@mail.gmail.com> [Conrad Gann] > How do I uninstall spambayes? Look for "uninstall" in the FAQ: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From greg at gulik.org Thu Apr 7 20:41:11 2005 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Thu Apr 7 20:41:25 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Still getting tons of false positives... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42557EC7.5010708@gulik.org> What I did last night was construct nearly equal size mailboxes containing spam and non-spam. Each one had about 1600 messages in it. I was extra careful to make sure that my non-spam folder contained a number of E-mails that might at first glance look like spam but really aren't, such as various automated notifications. That was a very tedious process, but then checking my spam folder several times a day was getting tedious as well. I then moved the old database file and retrained. I let it run that way for about 12 hours and I'm happy to report I've only had 3 spams get through and so far I found only one false positive. That's much more acceptable. I'll continue to train on errors like I have been so hopefully it can only get better from here. Thanks! Tony Meyer wrote: > I would say that retraining was the best bet, yes. Wiping (or moving aside) > the existing databases and then following a train-on-errors regime would > probably work best (unless you want to use the tte.py script, which would > probably provide even better results). > > There's lot of information about training at: > > http://entrian.com/sbwiki/TrainingIdeas > -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From skip at pobox.com Thu Apr 7 22:55:23 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu Apr 7 22:55:28 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Still getting tons of false positives... In-Reply-To: <42557EC7.5010708@gulik.org> References: <42557EC7.5010708@gulik.org> Message-ID: <16981.40507.724765.279832@montanaro.dyndns.org> Greg> What I did last night was construct nearly equal size mailboxes Greg> containing spam and non-spam. Each one had about 1600 messages in Greg> it. Why not try a simpler experiment? Start with the five most recent ham and spam messages you've received. Only add mistakes (false positives or false negatives) to those sets for awhile. Be judicious in what you train on. If you get a misclassified ham or spam, train on it. On the other hand, if you get a bounce message from someplace complaining about a spam you purportedly sent (and which includes the spam itself), just delete it for now. In my experience, administrative messages like this have a confusing set of hammy and spammy clues. Deal with them later after the dust has settled a bit. Try that approach for awhile and see if the performance doesn't improve fairly dramatically over a short period of time. I'm always suspicious when someone says, "I started with N messages ...", where N is large. I know from my own experience that it's all too easy to make a classification mistake, just because I'm often not paying close enough attention when I'm trying to rifle quickly through my inbox. There's no way I would correctly classify 3200 messages. Some mistake would always slip in. In addition, a training database can often collect multiples of essentially the same message. While you might have equal numbers of hams and spams in your database, if 1500 of the spams (to pick an absurdly extreme number) are essentially the same spam the coverage of the overall spam token space isn't going to be very uniform. I'm not smart enough to know that this would be a problem, but my intuition tells me it might. If you are running on a Unix-ish system and have your training databases in Unix mbox-format files, I wonder if you wouldn't indulge my curiosity and run tte.py over them? Assuming your hams and spams are in ham.mbox and spam.mbox, something like the following should work: python /path/to/tte.py -g ham.mbox -s spam.mbox -p tte.pck -c .cull -v The tte.py script is in the contrib directory of the distribution. The above command line args identify the ham and spam mailboxes, tells it to create a pickle output file, and to create two new files, ham.mbox.cull and spam.mbox.cull, from which will be eliminated all messages that when scored on every pass were properly classified as ham or spam. (Running tte.py with the --help flag should give a reasonable amount of help.) The output will look something like this: round: 1, msgs: 376, ham misses: 154, spam misses: 182, 18.1s round: 2, msgs: 376, ham misses: 32, spam misses: 8, 10.1s round: 3, msgs: 376, ham misses: 4, spam misses: 2, 8.8s round: 4, msgs: 376, ham misses: 3, spam misses: 2, 9.0s round: 5, msgs: 376, ham misses: 5, spam misses: 1, 8.8s round: 6, msgs: 376, ham misses: 2, spam misses: 1, 8.6s round: 7, msgs: 376, ham misses: 1, spam misses: 1, 8.6s round: 8, msgs: 376, ham misses: 0, spam misses: 0, 8.5s 29 untrained spams writing new ham mbox... 186 of 188 writing new spam mbox... 216 of 218 For your training database it will obviously display many more messages. I'm mostly interested in knowing what those last few lines look like. How many fewer messages are written to the .cull files? Skip From ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 8 01:08:50 2005 From: ta-meyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 8 01:09:01 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Can't download 1.1a1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > All of the mirrors list the 1.1a1 files as 0kb. Nothing > is there. Looking forward to the new version. Odd. I'm not sure what caused that to happen (maybe a SF glitch, maybe me?). Anyway, I've uploaded new copies of the files, and downloading works for me, so it should all be fine now. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 8 01:10:31 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 8 01:10:53 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [spambayes-dev] Where's 1.1a1 .exe for Windows? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Hi all, just wanted to try out the 1.1a1 installer for > Windows, but it's showing as a zero-length file on the > SourceForge downloads page. Has it been withdrawn or is > there a problem at SF? I'm not sure whether the problem was something I did, or some glitch with the SF system, but I've uploaded new copies of the files, and everything seems to be working now. Apologies for the inconvenience. =Tony.Meyer From fbh1949 at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 01:25:57 2005 From: fbh1949 at gmail.com (FrankH) Date: Fri Apr 8 01:25:59 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and GMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I started a discussion about SPAMBAYES and Gmail at the following URL: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Gmail-Help-Discussion/browse_thread/thread/cb1171492fcfa8b5/fd1efaf31c253393 ? Does anybody have any ideas on how with some work we can either get Google to implement SPAMBAYES as their filter, or get a SPAMBAYES on my machine to filter the GMail ? One problem is that there is no way to turn OFF GMail's SPAM filter as of now, and unfortunately GMails SPAM filter has an unacceptable false positive rate ( >> SPAMBAYES == 0.000001 %). Any ideas? Does any SPAMBAYES developer work at Google? Anybody have ANY influence at Google? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050407/634aa4a2/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 8 02:16:56 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 8 02:17:04 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and GMail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Does anybody have any ideas on how with some work we > can either get Google to implement SPAMBAYES as their filter, This is extremely unlikely to happen. Most people are pretty happy with gmail's filter, so it's unlikely that they would be planning on changing it. It's likely that they wrote their own filter, rather than using an existing one, which means that they would be more likely to simply work on theirs. (I met a researcher from Google, Mehran Sahami, last year, who wrote an early paper on Bayesian email filtering - that's not what he works on now, but with people like that there, I doubt they're using someone else's system). I'm sure that the people at Google that work on their filter keep up to date with what others are doing, and try out ideas that work for others, including spambayes. > or get a SPAMBAYES on my machine to filter the GMail ? Remotely filtering webmail isn't really practical, although it can be done if the web interface is stable enough (it can simulate doing it manually). This would be a lot of work, though, and given the level of satisfaction with gmail's filter, I don't see it happening any time soon. If you read your gmail mail via POP3 in another mail client, then you can use the spambayes POP3 proxy to filter mail (although I don't believe you can get gmail to send mail it thinks is spam out through POP3, which leaves any gmail fp's where they were). > One problem is that there is no way to turn OFF GMail's > SPAM filter as of now, If you want to be able to turn it off, then suggest that to them. I've heard good things about their suggestion system (that suggestions do actually get read), so there's a chance it would happen. > and unfortunately GMails SPAM filter has an unacceptable > false positive rate ( >> SPAMBAYES == 0.000001 %). No-one here would claim a fp rate that low for spambayes. (I'm sure that with the right training and right mix of incoming mail you could achieve it, but it wouldn't be an average figure). > Does any SPAMBAYES developer work at Google? Not as far as I know, and I presume that I would. > Anybody have ANY influence at Google? Lots of people, I'm sure, but no-one that I know. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tim.peters at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 02:19:11 2005 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Fri Apr 8 02:19:15 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and GMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f7befae05040717192c4c6348@mail.gmail.com> [FrankH] > I started a discussion about SPAMBAYES and Gmail at the following URL: > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Gmail-Help-Discussion/browse_thread/thread/cb1171492fcfa8b5/fd1efaf31c253393? > > Does anybody have any ideas on how with some work we can either get Google > to implement SPAMBAYES as their filter, or get a SPAMBAYES on my > machine to filter the GMail ? > > One problem is that there is no way to turn OFF GMail's > SPAM filter as of now, and unfortunately GMails SPAM filter has an > unacceptable false positive rate ( >> SPAMBAYES == 0.000001 %). Indeed, this message from you landed in my gmail spam folder. There have been a fair number of false positives all along with gmail, but at least for me that's gotten much worse over the last week -- there's been far more ham than spam in my gmail spam folder this week! And as with your message, I'm usually at a loss to account for what they could be keying off of to call most of these FP "spam". Most of mine are thoroughly on-topic discussions from tech mailing lists. I'm starting to suspect that anything that "looks like" program code triggers it, since so many messages from checkin lists show up there too. > Any ideas? Does any SPAMBAYES developer work at Google? Anybody have > ANY influence at Google? Jeremy Hylton has done work on SB and works at Google. But Google is a large employer now, and I'm not sure even Jeremy can dictate corporate policy . I think it's a very hard problem to do SB-like server-side filtering for a mixed user base. OTOH, if they have an API for programmatically downloading and moving messages, it should be possible to write a gmail plugin that runs on the local machine. In the meantime, I routinely do "Select All" + "Not Spam" in my gmail spam folder now, then move the relative handful of actual spam back to the spam folder as I cruise the inbox. That's got to be confusing to whatever training they might do (assuming they're doing any -- unsure). From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 8 02:38:01 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 8 02:38:10 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and GMail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>> Does any SPAMBAYES developer work at Google? [Tony Meyer] >> Not as far as I know, and I presume that I would. [Tim Peters] > Jeremy Hylton has done work on SB and works at Google. I should never presume :) (And I should have checked my spam folder before saying that gmail was good. It used to be, but I just found two fp's there (of 24 new spam). Not at all similar to Tim's - both regular newsletters (neither has been marked as spam before), one from a politician (no wonder I didn't miss it) and one from a local store). > I think it's a very hard problem to do SB-like server-side filtering > for a mixed user base. OTOH, if they have an API for programmatically > downloading and moving messages, it should be possible to write a > gmail plugin that runs on the local machine. I suppose one of the other things that Frank could do is suggest (to Google) that they open-source the spam filter via Google Code, or at least add a gmail API like the web ones that they have (unless there is one that I don't know about, in which case a spambayes filter is much more feasible). > In the meantime, I routinely do "Select All" + "Not Spam" in my gmail > spam folder now, then move the relative handful of actual spam back to > the spam folder as I cruise the inbox. Doing this would also get everything downloadable via POP3, too, if using a local POP3 client and sb_server was feasible. > That's got to be confusing to whatever training they might do (assuming > they're doing any -- unsure). I've wondered that too both with gmail and hotmail (it seems that any messages that include the old Habeas headers are automatically considered junk by hotmail, and I couldn't make any difference with a test account moving such messages out of the junk folder). I've heard that Microsoft have a program at hotmail where they randomly select people and ask them if they can use their mail as training data (and those people are then presumably agreeing to only indicate "not spam" when that's true). Maybe Google has something similar at gmail. =Tony.Meyer From fbh1949 at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 03:05:13 2005 From: fbh1949 at gmail.com (FrankH) Date: Fri Apr 8 03:05:16 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and GMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to everybody for all the suggestions and I will try to get some of the ideas thru to Google. I don't know how successfull I will be since as you say, Google is such a huge company these days. There was a time when I actually got an email reply from Sergey Brin, but I am sure these days I will not. Tony, I knew that SB didn't have a fp rate of 0.000001 % - that was just an exageration, but it does reflect the fact that it is so low that I no longer even look for HAM in my SPAM folder. I only check my Suspected SPAM folder and use Recover from Spam and Delete as Spam appropriately. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050407/efd21321/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 8 05:55:16 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 8 05:55:24 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [...] > I accidentally deleted the SPAM folder from Outlook [...] Please see FAQ 3.13: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 8 06:00:40 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 8 06:00:51 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] How many statistics are considered as good? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > There are 14,209 spam. > There are 8,623 good messages. That is a fairly large database. If you're getting results that you're happy with, then don't worry about changing it. If you think the results should be better, then it might be worth training from scratch. Good results can generally be had from only training on any mistakes (ham classified as spam, spam classified as ham, and unsures). If you go to the web interface Configuration page and change the name of the token database (probably hammie.db at the moment) then that will start training anew, leaving the old database in place in case you decide to go back to it. > When I look in the C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin there are 10# > folders; 3# .dll; 6# .exe; and one called sb_tray.exe.log . > I've had a look at that last file but I am none the wiser. No user data is stored in that directory, it's all stored under the Windows Application Data directory. With XP this is usually 'C:\Documents and Setings\{username}\Application Data\Spambayes\Proxy'. > I believe that these both the ham and the spam or at least the > spam(?) should be reduced in size; that the size of these > files may be slowing things down. A large database might slow things down, yes. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 8 06:06:21 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 8 06:06:57 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Still getting tons of false positives... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have read several notes (and the web page) indicating that > one should strive for 1:1 ham / spam in training. Approximately, yes. 1::1 is ideal, but you should be fine with 2::1, 1::3, etc. People with ratios like 65::1 or 431::1 tend to get weird results. The golden rule is that if things are working, then you shouldn't need to change them. > Given that I use the web interface for training, I am not > clear on how I would go about doing that. Indeed, it is somewhat of a difficult task. Training only on mistakes and unsures tends to help in my experience. Adjusting the thresholds can help, too - particularly the spam threshold, which can probably be reasonably safely dropped down to around 80% once the classifier is trained. If you get a lot of duplicate spam, then only training on one of the duplicates will help (assuming that the problem is too much spam). You could do training on fp, fn, unsures and a few ham every now and then to get the balance up. Is that any help? > Also, thank you very much for getting the 1.0.4 fix out. > That is a big help. You're welcome. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From arne at evertsson.com Fri Apr 8 07:37:25 2005 From: arne at evertsson.com (Arne Evertsson) Date: Fri Apr 8 07:37:32 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] imap filter hangs in training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050408073800.SM00704@tsucm015dev> I guess the below problem has not been resolved? Anyway I uninstalled SpamBayes since it seems it corrupts my imap mailbox (not sure about that though). /Arne Evertsson -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:00 AM To: 'Arne Evertsson'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] imap filter hangs in training >>> I have a problem with the imap filter. >>> >>> 1. I run it: python sb_imapfilter.py -c -t -v -l 3 -P 2. It finds my >>> existing hammie.db. >>> 3. I provide the password. >>> 4. Then it stops with the following message: >>> >>> Training >>> Training ham folder INBOX >>> * >>> >>> What am I doing wrong? >> >> It's very strange that it just hangs rather than just crashing. It >> you run it with -i4 (python sb_imapfiler.py -c -t -v -l 3 -P -i4) >> what're the last few command command/responses that get printed out >> before the hang? > Reads like this: > > 50:28.67 < HBOM5 OK UID Completed > * 50:28.67 > HBOM6 UID FETCH 402002222 (FLAGS INTERNALDATE) > 50:28.92 < * 1 FETCH (FLAGS (\ANSWERED \SEEN) INTERNALDATE > "5-Feb-2005 13:00:4 1 +0100" UID 402002222) > 50:28.92 < HBOM6 OK UID Completed > 50:28.92 > HBOM7 APPEND INBOX (\ANSWERED \SEEN) "5-Feb-2005 13:00:41 > +0100" {3 > 155} Even stranger. It's storing the classified copy of the message, but that's only 3Kb, so it shouldn't take very long. Do you ever have any other problems connecting to the IMAP server? Is your mail client open or closed while you do this? If open, try running imapfilter with it closed and see if that makes any difference. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From pmilland at cogeco.ca Fri Apr 8 17:06:32 2005 From: pmilland at cogeco.ca (Pat Milland) Date: Fri Apr 8 17:04:37 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I remove Spambay (2 of them!) so I can reinstall? Message-ID: <000601c53c4c$8d2a2e20$7501a8c0@Patricia> We upgraded to latest version but now seem to have two versions - I think. Nothing happens with the 1st one (Junk E-mail) - it just sits there with previous junk email and any that I personally direct there from 'Junk E-mail1'. In the new version I do not have the option I use to have 'Recover from Spam'. The new version is also junk emailing a lot of emails that I want to allow. Without a 'recover from spam' option - I manually move them to my inbox - but the system doesn't read it as allowed thereafter. I'm thinking the best thing to do is to uninstall both versions - and reinstall. We have not been able to do this. Can you help? Thank you! Patricia Milland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050408/da5fbc49/attachment.htm From greg at gulik.org Fri Apr 8 19:09:38 2005 From: greg at gulik.org (Gregory Gulik) Date: Fri Apr 8 19:09:46 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] System-wide logging of results??? Message-ID: <4256BAD2.1030803@gulik.org> I haven't been able to find a configuration option to make SpamBayes log to a central log it's results??? I would just love to get a central log of how many spams, unsures and hams it finds. Is there an easy way to do that? I'm using SpamBayes on Linux and filtering through Procmail. -- Greg Gulik http://www.gulik.org/greg/ greg @ gulik.org From claude_jones at levitjames.com Sat Apr 9 00:13:54 2005 From: claude_jones at levitjames.com (Claude Jones) Date: Sat Apr 9 00:14:02 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] how to start spambayes Message-ID: <42570222.6010006@levitjames.com> I've got Spambayes installed as a pop3 proxy under Fedora Core 3. I would like to start it up automatically when I reboot. I also wonder if it's possible to start it without having a terminal window. Forgive me for I'm very new to Linux. In my first attempt I just included the following lines in the rc.locat file: cd /etc/spambayes-1.0.4 python scripts/sb_server.py During boot-up, the computer got to 'start local', and just hung. Would this be because it was trying to initiate a service that needed X to be running? Could one of you tell me a simple way of doing this? I did read the enabling spamd as a unix daemon page on the Spambayes website, but, I just don't know enough to know how to modify it. -- Claude Jones Bluemont, VA, USA From ikadika at EUnet.yu Sat Apr 9 12:34:58 2005 From: ikadika at EUnet.yu (Aleksandar Tepic) Date: Sat Apr 9 12:34:29 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] packaging question Message-ID: <000501c53cef$c7be8790$f206f0d5@sveticbe530493> I am not sure I'm contacting the right person, but I need an information on history of packaging bathing products. Thanks in advance! Ivana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050409/229bc0f1/attachment.html From res03wja at verizon.net Sat Apr 9 20:05:44 2005 From: res03wja at verizon.net (JOEB45D) Date: Sat Apr 9 17:05:44 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Incredamail Message-ID: <000301c53d2e$c0a4c160$6401a8c0@Joe> From userwaldo at theeggbeater.net Sat Apr 9 19:13:42 2005 From: userwaldo at theeggbeater.net (User Waldo) Date: Sat Apr 9 19:12:55 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes imap - imaplib.abort: command: UID => socket error: EOF Message-ID: <42580D46.4060201@theeggbeater.net> I'm running into an issue when I try to run the sb_imapfilter.py. I can't seem to find anything about this on the list. The problem seems to be when it anaylses mail in my inbox, all the other folders don't seem to be a problem. bash-2.05b$ sb_imapfilter.py -v -c -t -l 5 SpamBayes IMAP Filter Version 0.6 (January 2005) and engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004). Loading state from /home/userwaldo/hammie.db database /home/userwaldo/hammie.db is an existing database, with 476 spam and 192 ham Loading database /home/userwaldo/hammie.db... Done. Training Training ham folder mail/ebay ............. 0 trained. Training ham folder mail/cron ....... 0 trained. Training spam folder mail/Junk ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ 0 trained. Training took 68.0284 seconds, 0 messages were trained Classifying ********************.***************************************************************Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 947, in ? run() File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 937, in run imap_filter.Filter() File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 808, in Filter self.unsure_folder) File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 722, in Filter for msg in self: File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 613, in __iter__ yield self[key] File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 643, in __getitem__ response = imap.uid("FETCH", key, "RFC822.HEADER") File "/usr/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 697, in uid typ, dat = self._simple_command(name, command, *args) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 1000, in _simple_command return self._command_complete(name, self._command(name, *args)) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 832, in _command_complete raise self.abort('command: %s => %s' % (name, val)) imaplib.abort: command: UID => socket error: EOF From userwaldo at theeggbeater.net Sat Apr 9 20:28:57 2005 From: userwaldo at theeggbeater.net (User Waldo) Date: Sat Apr 9 20:28:04 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] how to remove spam from subject for incorrectly maked mail Message-ID: <42581EE9.4010301@theeggbeater.net> How do you remove the spam label from the subject of incorrectly marked mail? From don at donireland.com Sat Apr 9 22:18:38 2005 From: don at donireland.com (Don Ireland) Date: Sat Apr 9 22:18:42 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] New to this program & Questions Message-ID: <003101c53d41$50b3dae0$6501010a@PC1> Hello all, I'm new to this program and was wondering if anyone could help me out with a couple of issues I'm having. I use OE6 and have installed the SB pop3 proxy. a.. I have email accounts on three different servers and would like to filter out the spam on them all. However all three mail servers use the same port numbers. When I told SB the addresses of the three mail servers it told me that each mail server needed to have the port number specified, so I typed the same port number 3 times seperated by commas. It then told me that each port number must be unique. a.. Here's my setup: a.. One mail server is for my ISP provided email accounts (three accounts on that server--all checked using this PC & each one serves a diff purpose) b.. One mail server is for my work provided email account (only one). c.. The third server is for my home business. Right now there is only one email address on this server--but that might change in the near future. b.. Also how do I enter the info into OE6 to have it tell SB WHICH account to check? b.. When I tried sending mail to the "Train as ham" address, my mail server rejected it because it didn't know where to find "localhost". a.. How do I forward messages to SB without going through the mail server? b.. I thought that maybe I needed to OE to route outgoing mail through SB as well so that SB would see the messages destined for the ham/spam@localhost addresses and keep them and then forward all others on to the true outgoing mail server. But again, how do I tell SB WHICH mail server to use for each particular account? a.. Several of the mail accounts require that I login to the OUTGOING mail server using a DIFFERENT login name than the INCOMING mail server. How do I specify this so that SB will know what to do? Thanks to anyone who can take the time to help! Don Ireland _______________________________________________ ??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????? "Nobody, but nobody / Can make it out here alone." --Maya Angelou -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050409/9e5178a8/attachment.htm From don at donireland.com Sat Apr 9 22:20:37 2005 From: don at donireland.com (Don Ireland) Date: Sat Apr 9 22:20:41 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <003801c53d41$97eb5c80$6501010a@PC1> One other question too and I think I'm done. I tested SB by sending myself three messages and then forwarded them to the train as spam address planning to retrain SB later. But now when I follow the instructions of deleting the DB file, it still sees those messages in the training. What can I do? Don Ireland _______________________________________________ ??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????? "We never do anything well till we cease to think about the manner of doing it." --William Hazlitt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050409/544388d3/attachment.html From spambayes at donireland.com Sun Apr 10 02:04:21 2005 From: spambayes at donireland.com (Don Ireland) Date: Sun Apr 10 02:04:25 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] New to this and having configuration issues. Message-ID: <002401c53d60$d90d9d30$6501010a@PC1> I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) (binary), with version 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 2). =========================== Hello all, I'm new to this program and was wondering if anyone could help me out with a couple of issues I'm having. I use OE6 and have installed the SB pop3 proxy. a.. I have email accounts on three different servers and would like to filter out the spam on them all. However all three mail servers use the same port numbers. When I told SB the addresses of the three mail servers it told me that each mail server needed to have the port number specified, so I typed the same port number 3 times seperated by commas. It then told me that each port number must be unique. a.. Here's my setup: a.. One mail server is for my ISP provided email accounts (three accounts on that server--all checked using this PC & each one serves a diff purpose) b.. One mail server is for my work provided email account (only one). c.. The third server is for my home business. Right now there is only one email address on this server--but that might change in the near future. b.. Also how do I enter the info into OE6 to have it tell SB WHICH account to check? b.. When I tried sending mail to the "Train as ham" address, my mail server rejected it because it didn't know where to find "localhost". a.. How do I forward messages to SB without going through the mail server? b.. I thought that maybe I needed to OE to route outgoing mail through SB as well so that SB would see the messages destined for the ham/spam@localhost addresses and keep them and then forward all others on to the true outgoing mail server. But again, how do I tell SB WHICH mail server to use for each particular account? a.. Several of the mail accounts require that I login to the OUTGOING mail server using a DIFFERENT login name than the INCOMING mail server. How do I specify this so that SB will know what to do? Thanks to anyone who can take the time to help! Don Ireland _______________________________________________ ??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????? "Nobody, but nobody / Can make it out here alone." --Maya Angelou -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050409/057f2082/attachment.html From art101 at musiciansrep.com Sun Apr 10 14:27:59 2005 From: art101 at musiciansrep.com (Art Cataline) Date: Sun Apr 10 14:28:26 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambays mysteriously quit working. Message-ID: <000001c53dc8$bee688a0$6501a8c0@Musiciansrep> Hello, After using your great product for over a year, I suddenly am faced with a problem I cannot find the answer to. Spambayes has quit removing spam when I hit "DELETE AS SPAM" and it also cannot pull up the Spam Bayes Manager. I have deleted Spam Bayes from within control panel, and reinstalling but get the same result. So I went into registry (regedit from RUN) and removed all traces of anything with the word spambayes in it. Then tried re-installing. Same problem. Here is my config: Windows XP Home with all service packs Outlook 2002 (build 10.2627.2625) I am running anti spyware regurarly, Adaware, Spybot S & D, Microsoft's own version of Spyware removal, as well as protection against spyware. I am behind a firewall, a Linksys router, but this never seemed to matter before. I also run Norton Antivirus every week, and at one time it found that dreaded Cool Web Search, but a run of CWS shredder seemed to get that nasty little bug out. Please help, I changed my email to what I thought was fairly obscure, but may have emailed the wrong person there by getting more spam daily. Before using your product, and with my old mail Spam Bayes was catching over 50 mails a day, and doing a damn fine job of it. Now I am getting only about 5 a day, but cannot get Spambayes or its manager to work. Please help. Sincerely yours, Art Cataline www.musiciansrep.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050410/8b857e29/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 11 04:28:31 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 11 04:28:41 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] How do I remove Spambay (2 of them!) so I can reinstall? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm thinking the best thing to do is to uninstall both > versions - and reinstall. We have not been able to do this. Please see FAQ 3.16: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 11 04:29:36 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 11 04:29:52 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] packaging question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I am not sure I'm contacting the right person, > but I need an information on history of packaging > bathing products. You're not :) =Tony.Meyer (Was that spam? It's so hard to tell, sometimes). From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 11 04:31:50 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 11 04:31:57 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] how to remove spam from subject for incorrectly makedmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > How do you remove the spam label from the subject of > incorrectly marked mail? I don't believe you can edit messages with Outlook Express, which I assume you are using (I don't know of any other mail programs that are so limited that the subject tags are needed). That means you can't. (You should train SpamBayes on such mail, of course, via the web interface). =Tony.Meyer From don at donireland.com Mon Apr 11 04:43:21 2005 From: don at donireland.com (Don Ireland) Date: Mon Apr 11 04:43:25 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] how to remove spam from subject for incorrectlymakedmail References: Message-ID: <002201c53e40$39b43e70$6601010a@PC1> <> I'm pretty sure there's not an automatic method--but I have done it MANUALLY. If you're looking to do this with just a small number of messages, then I HAVE done it. 1) Drag the message to your desktop. 2) Right click on the message and click on "Open With..." 3) Click on Notepad 4) find the subject line and make necessary changes then save it. 5) drag the message back to your inbox Attached is Tony's message which I edited in this manner and added "My Name is Don - " to the subject. Don Ireland _______________________________________________ ??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????? The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Meyer" To: ; Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:31 PM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] how to remove spam from subject for incorrectlymakedmail > How do you remove the spam label from the subject of > incorrectly marked mail? I don't believe you can edit messages with Outlook Express, which I assume you are using (I don't know of any other mail programs that are so limited that the subject tags are needed). That means you can't. (You should train SpamBayes on such mail, of course, via the web interface). =Tony.Meyer _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Tony Meyer" Subject: RE: [Spambayes] My Name is Don - how to remove spam from subject for incorrectly makedmail Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:31:50 +1200 Size: 4965 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050410/9902dbea/RE_SpambayesMyNameisDon-howtoremovespamfromsubjectforincorrectlymakedmail.eml From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 11 04:51:43 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 11 04:51:55 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I tested SB by sending myself three messages and then > forwarded them to the train as spam address planning to > retrain SB later. But now when I follow the instructions > of deleting the DB file, it still sees those messages > in the training. What is the name of the file you are deleting? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 11 04:50:41 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 11 04:55:49 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] New to this program & Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have email accounts on three different servers and would > like to filter out the spam on them all. However all three > mail servers use the same port numbers. When I told SB the > addresses of the three mail servers it told me that each mail > server needed to have the port number specified, so I typed > the same port number 3 times seperated by commas. It then > told me that each port number must be unique. Each *local* port number must be unique. The remote servers can all be on the same port. For example: With addresses: tonym and tmeyer @mail.example.com tm and t-meyer @mail.example2.com You enter into the "Remote Servers" option: "mail.example.com,mail.example2.com". (This assumes port 110, which is normal. If it was something else, then you'd enter (eg) "mail.example.com:8110,mail.example2.com:8110". You enter into the "Local Ports" option: "110,111" (or "8110,8111". It doesn't matter as long as the ports on your local machine aren't already used). In OE, you create (edit) four accounts, one for each email address, with the normal usernames and passwords. For the "tonym" and "tmeyer" accounts, you enter the POP3 server name as "localhost" and (on the Advanced tab) enter the port number as "110" (actually, it'll already be this). For the "tm" and "t-meyer" accounts, you enter the POP3 server name as "localhost" and (on the Advanced tab) enter the port number as "111". Make sense? > When I tried sending mail to the "Train as ham" address, my > mail server rejected it because it didn't know where to find > "localhost". Firstly, using the SMTP proxy to train SpamBayes is not recommended with Outlook Express. To effectively train, SpamBayes needs the message exactly as it arrived. OE (like many clients) aren't capable of sending this on, so SpamBayes looks for the cached copy of the message as it arrived - to do this, it needs to know the (SpamBayes) ID of the message. With most clients, this can be hidden in headers of the message that you never see. This (like a lot of things) doesn't work with OE, though. That means you'd have to manually put the message's ID into the forward mail to train, which is too much hassle to be worth it. I highly recommend that you use the web interface to train. Most sb_server users do, and have no problems with it. If you do want to persist with the SMTP proxy, then I imagine that the problem finding "localhost" was that you haven't configured the SMTP proxy (boxes under the POP3 proxy options in the configuration page). > How do I forward messages to SB without going through > the mail server? Exactly as you describe below: > I thought that maybe I needed to OE to route outgoing mail > through SB as well so that SB would see the messages destined > for the ham/spam@localhost addresses and keep them and then > forward all others on to the true outgoing mail server. Exactly right. > But again, how do I tell SB WHICH mail server to use for each > particular account? This works just like the POP3 proxy. > Several of the mail accounts require that I login to the > OUTGOING mail server using a DIFFERENT login name than the > INCOMING mail server. How do I specify this so that SB will > know what to do? Just pretend that SpamBayes isn't doing anything, and it will all work as normal. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From don at donireland.com Mon Apr 11 04:56:10 2005 From: don at donireland.com (Don Ireland) Date: Mon Apr 11 04:56:13 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <003301c53e42$046552c0$6601010a@PC1> C:\Documents and Settings\Don Ireland\My Documents\SpamBayes Sttings\hammie.db This is from the statistics page: SpamBayes has processed 6 messages - 0 (0%) good, 0 (0%) spam and 6 (100%) unsure. 0 messages were manually classified as good (0 were false positives). 3 messages were manually classified as spam (0 were false negatives). 0 unsure messages were manually identified as good, and 3 as spam. Don Ireland _______________________________________________ ??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????? "One can never consent to creep when one has the impulse to soar." --Helen Keller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Meyer" To: "'Don Ireland'" ; Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] (no subject) >> I tested SB by sending myself three messages and then >> forwarded them to the train as spam address planning to >> retrain SB later. But now when I follow the instructions >> of deleting the DB file, it still sees those messages >> in the training. > > What is the name of the file you are deleting? > > =Tony.Meyer > > -- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. > http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. > > From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 11 05:02:00 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 11 05:02:50 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] how to remove spam from subject forincorrectlymakedmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Tony Meyer] >> I don't believe you can edit messages with Outlook Express [Don Ireland] > I'm pretty sure there's not an automatic method--but I have done it > MANUALLY. If you're looking to do this with just a small number of > messages, then I HAVE done it. [snip] You can make a copy of the message in this (or other) ways, yes. But I don't believe that (staying completely in the Outlook Express interface) you can edit (not copy) a message (I could be wrong, though). AFAIK, other mail clients (Eudora?) will let you do this. IAC, the additional tag doesn't really matter, in any context I can think of. (The real solution is to drop OE and use a decent mail client, anyway). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 11 05:04:41 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 11 05:04:48 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > C:\Documents and Settings\Don Ireland\My Documents\SpamBayes > Sttings\hammie.db That's the correct database to remove to reset *training*. If you want to reset all SpamBayes knowledge, you'll need to remove the spambayes.messageinfo.db files as well. > This is from the statistics page: > SpamBayes has processed 6 messages - 0 (0%) good, 0 (0%) spam > and 6 (100%) unsure. [...] This is saying that it has filtered that many messages (this information is in the message info database), not that it has any training knowledge of those messages. On the front page, there's information about how many messages have been trained as ham/spam (it should be 0 and 0 after removing the hammie.db file). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 11 05:08:31 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 11 05:08:39 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambays mysteriously quit working. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Spambayes has quit removing spam when I hit "DELETE > AS SPAM" and it also cannot pull up the Spam Bayes > Manager. I have deleted Spam Bayes from within control > panel, and reinstalling but get the same result. Does the log file have any messages in it? Have you tried the toolbar troubleshooting in the troubleshooting guide? Have you tried removing the training database? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Apr 11 05:17:19 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Apr 11 05:17:30 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] How many statistics are considered as good? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Tony Meyer] >> No user data is stored in that directory, it's all stored under the >> Windows Application Data directory. With XP this is usually >> 'C:\Documents and Settings\{username}\Application >> Data\Spambayes\Proxy'. > When looking in there at that ..\Proxy' location, I find > that there are > three folders... > \pop3proxy-ham-cache > \pop3proxy-spam-cache > \pop3proxy-unknown-cache > ...the first two are full of files comprising solely of > digits and the last, > the 'unknown' is empty. These are the message caches. SpamBayes caches a copy of messages when they are retrieved so that the cached copy can be used for training if necessary. These messages auto-expire after a certain number of days (7 by default), or are removed when you use the 'discard' option on the review page. Untrained messages are in the unknown-cache folder, and trained messages get moved to the ham- or spam- cache folders. *Training data*, however, is stored in a single, persistent, database file. It's probably called hammie.db and will be in the Proxy directory that the cache directories are in. (There will also be a spambayes.messageinfo.db that keeps track of messages that have been trained/classified). > I wondered if simply deleting all these files would have > the same effect as starting training anew? No. Deleting these messages will have no effect on training at all. (Deleting the hammie.db file will remove all training information). The only effect that deleting a message in the ham- or spam- caches will have is that you won't be able to find it via the web interface (to correct a training mistake, for example). That's why these messages auto-expire. Deleting a message in the unknown cache will remove it from the review page in the web interface (next time you start sb_server), which means you won't be able to train on it. It won't effect any existing training, though. > I wonder, and I realise I'm being a bit cheeky not to mention > nosy in not just doing what I'm told, If the actual file name > hammie.db was changed 'in place' so to speak to say 2hammie.db > so 'hiding' it from SpamBAyes, would the application regenerate > a new and of course empty hammie.db and so start training anew? Yes. This is a safe way to do that, because if something goes wrong, you can always just delete the newly created hammie.db and rename the 2hammie.db one back to hammie.db to go back to how things were. All of this should really be done when SpamBayes isn't running, of course. (NZ stuff answered off-list) =Tony.Meyer From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Mon Apr 11 13:41:40 2005 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Mon Apr 11 13:41:42 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: packaging question Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022CD72@SPIKE.city> Obviously he was looking for the "Spambathe" mailing list. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Tony Meyer > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:30 PM > To: 'Aleksandar Tepic'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] packaging question > > > > I am not sure I'm contacting the right person, > > but I need an information on history of packaging > > bathing products. > > You're not :) > > =Tony.Meyer > > (Was that spam? It's so hard to tell, sometimes). > From remy.hessels at ratp.fr Mon Apr 11 18:15:47 2005 From: remy.hessels at ratp.fr (remy.hessels@ratp.fr) Date: Mon Apr 11 18:15:52 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] No fr_ui available on 1.1a1 Message-ID: <686515F393A7D7118F1D00508B60AF4208C72B63@nyplme14.neuilly.ratp> Hello, I am testing the new SpamBayes 1.1a1 version and cannot get any French dialogs. 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Pichel) Date: Mon Apr 11 21:11:41 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes problem Message-ID: <000001c53eca$431e1cd0$3602a8c0@ONE> When I run "delete as spam" or "recover from spam" it causes my computer to begin installing "Microsoft Front Page" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050411/9e47ba22/attachment.htm From bill at cssinter.com Tue Apr 12 00:37:17 2005 From: bill at cssinter.com (Bill) Date: Tue Apr 12 00:38:53 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] can we use spambayes from a php script? Message-ID: <425AFC1D.6070403@cssinter.com> we have a PHP script that reads the headers from several mail servers and it is supposed to classify the mail just as your program does. Thereafter and according to the classification it will make decisions on what to do with the piece of mail. Can we accomplish that by calling somehow spambayes, passing the headers to the classification engine and receiving the resultant categorization? Could we do the same with the training module? Thanks for any help on this matter. Bill From dmitry at karasik.eu.org Tue Apr 12 01:38:33 2005 From: dmitry at karasik.eu.org (Dmitry Karasik) Date: Tue Apr 12 01:38:36 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes-1.0.3 fails Message-ID: <20050411233833.GA87843@tetsuo.karasik.eu.org> My fresh installation of sb_filter.py fails with the error. the file 'sample_mail' is a simple message, but the error is the same on every message i've tested spambayes on. What can be wrong here? $ sb_filter.py < sample_mail Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 257, in ? main() File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 248, in main action(msg) File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 180, in filter return self.h.filter(msg) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 109, in filter prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 38, in _scoremsg return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence) AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'spamprob' zsh: 87791 exit 1 sb_filter.py < aa -- Sincerely, Dmitry Karasik From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 12 01:56:41 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 12 01:57:21 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Buttons not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The delete as spam and recover from spam buttons are > both not working. Please try the steps outlined in the troubleshooting guide. The last one of these is to mail this list, *including a copy of your most recent log file*. Without the log, we cannot figure out what the problem might be. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 12 01:59:17 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 12 01:59:27 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambays mysteriously quit working. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Sorry but some did not make sense, what log file? The spambayes log files. They are stored in the Windows temp directory. (Once you get to the troubleshooting guide, it explains where to find them). > How do I get to the troubleshooting guide? If the toolbar was working, you could do SpamBayes->Help->Troubleshooting Guide. Since it isn't, you can either manually open it (it's in the "docs" directory in the directory you installed SpamBayes into; probably C:\Program Files\SpamBayes), or look at the online version, linked from here: > I have eliminated the spam database of messages. In that case, I'd really need to see the log to have any more idea about what might be wrong. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 12 02:14:20 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 12 02:14:28 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] can we use spambayes from a php script? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > we have a PHP script that reads the headers from several mail servers > and it is supposed to classify the mail just as your program does. [...] > Can we accomplish that by calling somehow spambayes, passing the > headers to the classification engine and receiving the resultant > categorization? Can the PHP script call any other program? If so, then just get it to call sb_filter.py (or sb_bnfilter.py) with the message (the whole message would be much better than just the headers), and parse the output (grep for X-Spambayes-Classification:). > Could we do the same with the training module? It's much the same (except you can ignore the output). You just pass a different option to sb_filter/sb_bnfilter. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 12 02:55:12 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 12 02:57:11 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] No fr_ui available on 1.1a1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I am testing the new SpamBayes 1.1a1 version and cannot get > any French dialogs. > I have tried adding the lines to the default_bayes_customize.ini > file > [globals] > language:fr_FR It seems that there's a bug in 1.1 that means that falling back to the main language (i.e. from fr_FR to fr) doesn't work. I've opened a tracker for this: [ 1181160 ] Language fallback doesn't work In the meantime, if you just have [globals] language:fr That should work (it does here). (I assume this is with the binary installer). > I've also searched for french localized files (MO ?) in Spambayes's > tree, and only found ones for Spanish language( not for french). The ones for the dialogs and sb_server web interface (which is what has been translated into French) are inside the spambayes.modules file in the lib directory, so you wouldn't find them. You'll notice that there are bits that aren't translated yet - basically anything that is dynamically generated (like the information on the Statistics tab). Once these are done there will be .mo files for French as well. =Tony.Meyer From Mmcwhinney at aol.com Tue Apr 12 03:12:12 2005 From: Mmcwhinney at aol.com (Mmcwhinney@aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 12 03:12:19 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] wow! Message-ID: <197.3c98ce45.2f8c7a6c@aol.com> Someone told me about this, but I'm a computer idiot. Can you give me simplified directions for downloading? Thanks. I've heard you're great! Melissa McWhinney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050411/ffc07ae0/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 12 03:22:28 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 12 03:22:43 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] wow! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Someone told me about this, but I'm a computer idiot. > Can you give me simplified directions for downloading? To download, just go to here: Choose any of the mirrors (theoretically, choosing one that is geographically close to you will be fastest) by clicking on the image in the "Download" column on the right next to the mirror you picked. Once it is downloaded, double-click to start the install process. You can probably just click Next until it's done. Installation & getting running might be more complicated. Please tell us what version of Windows you are using and what mail client (Outlook Express? Eudora? Thunderbird? Outlook?) and we can provide more help if necessary. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From dr_matins_williams01 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 12 04:16:31 2005 From: dr_matins_williams01 at yahoo.co.uk (Dr Matins Williams) Date: Tue Apr 12 06:36:52 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <20050412021631.21640.qmail@cgi1> Dear Sir/Madam, Permit me to introduce myself, my name is Dr Matins Williams. I work with First Financial Bank of Nigeria Limited as(Assistant Auditor),in the discharge of my duty,I stumbled on this domiciliary account that has remained dormant for three years now with Twenty million dollars(US$20m) in it. I contacted my director and we sent out staff for enquiries and discovered that the account holder died in an accident. I am writing you so that we can work together to remit the money to you as the next of kin because this money belongs to a foreigner and has to be claimed by a foreigner. I guarantee this transaction under a legitimate arrangements that will not breach the law by both parties, it is simple process which will take a short while to process. If I hear from you, I will tell you all you need to Know about the money. You can also via me on (dr_matins_williams01@yahoo.co.uk) Best Regards, Dr Matins Williams From mishedlo at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 12 07:12:30 2005 From: mishedlo at sbcglobal.net (mishedlo@sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue Apr 12 07:12:38 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Buttons not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c53f1e$3b9f6dc0$4101a8c0@MIKE> I deleted the log. Closed the buttons. Restarted outlook The buttons reappeared The problem wet away for a SHORT while Then the buttons stopped working again I guess "something is screwy" Here is my log Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 2820 spam and 223 good messages *** - message database has 2979 messages - bayes has 3043 - something is screwey SpamBayes Outlook Addin Binary Version 1.0.4 (March 2005) starting (with engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004)) on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 4) using Python 2.3.5 (#62, Feb 8 2005, 16:23:02) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Personal Folders/junk' Processing missed spam in folder 'Inbox' by starting a timer FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None) The above toolbar message is common - recreating the toolbar... Message 'Something for everyone' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'No' Message 'Vacation in Vegas, Caribbean, Hawaii & Mexico, plus More!' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'Re: as he leaves' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Message 'Best Prices on High Quality Ink & Toner High' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'Alaron Statements PDF 20050411' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'No' Message '$1000 Target GiftCard - Enter for a Chance to win Today!' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'Find a loan online.' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'Wanted: Customer Service Agents shedlock' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'Local Positions Available - Contact Us' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Message 'OTCBB:NIHK Continues adding to its Blue Chip Client Roster' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure' Message '10 USD to try our games' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'NOTIFICATION OF BEQUEST ' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'No' Message 'NOTIFICATION OF BEQUEST ' in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' had a Spam classification of 'No' -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:57 PM To: mishedlo@sbcglobal.net; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Buttons not working > The delete as spam and recover from spam buttons are > both not working. Please try the steps outlined in the troubleshooting guide. The last one of these is to mail this list, *including a copy of your most recent log file*. Without the log, we cannot figure out what the problem might be. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From Chris.Ekins at dsto.defence.gov.au Tue Apr 12 08:24:32 2005 From: Chris.Ekins at dsto.defence.gov.au (Ekins, Chris) Date: Tue Apr 12 08:30:13 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 feedback - Outlook add-in, Notifications T ab Message-ID: <06212A6B8C6FC1469558969887F87EAD04189F5A@ednex507.dsto.defence.gov.au> G'Day, Have been trying out the 1.1a1 alpha release of the Outlook add-in. Please find comments below in response to your request "We would appreciate reports about the new notifications tab - both whether it works as you expect, and any improvement ideas you might have." Note am using Outlook 2003 build 11.5608.6360 part of the MS Office Professional Edition 2003 on Win XP SP2 Wrt the Notification tab functions: Good Sound - Functions as expected. There is some confusion between Window's settings to play a sound on receipt of mail and the setting in Spambayes. Which takes precedence? Unsure Sound - Can't get this to work at all. Have sent myself mail previously classified as spam so that Spambayes puts this in my Junk Suspects folder, but sound does not play... Spam Sound - Plays correct sound when Spambayes classifies a message as spam and puts the message into my Junk Mail folder. But... Some of the flags/options/check-boxes on the Advanced tab seem to interact with the setting in the Notifications tab. Am unsure of the relationship between the settings and the effects. eg disabling background filtering disables sounds for junk mail, but Spambayes still processes the spam into my Junk Mail folder - strange! Regret that I'm unable to provide a Log file to assist in the diagnosis. I've been waiting/hoping for an improvement (for the Outlook add-in) that plays different sounds when good mail (ham) is received, but ignores Spam. In my opinion, getting the function that plays a (different) sound for new suspect mail is far more important than playing a sound for certain spam. ie I want to know when new mail arrives, I want a different sound when new mail arrives that is possible spam. I don't want a sound to play when certain spam arrives. Overall - an EXCELLENT addition to an already invaluable utility!!! Everyone should use this. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050412/7fe48a4c/attachment.htm From rbormann at pobox.com Tue Apr 12 13:40:46 2005 From: rbormann at pobox.com (rbormann) Date: Tue Apr 12 13:38:06 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] localization Message-ID: I would like to offer my translation services to Brazilian Portuguese as a donation to the project. Tell me if you need and how do I proceed. Greetings R. Bormann From imflying at comcast.net Tue Apr 12 13:54:07 2005 From: imflying at comcast.net (Gil Brandenburg) Date: Tue Apr 12 13:54:12 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 Outlook add-in feedback Message-ID: <20050412115411.070E01E4005@bag.python.org> Hello all, I have also been trying out the 1.1a1 Outlook addin. Seems to be working fine. I too would like clarification on the notifications. I've set 3 different wav files for Mail, Unsure, and Spam. I've turned off Windows XP native mail notification sound. The Mail notification works fine, but I find that I do not get a notification about a spam mail if there was also a good mail. Is there some hierarchy built in? I think that I did get a spam notification once when that was all I received. I've yet to hear an unsure notification. On a side note, I was hoping 1.1a1 might provide relief from the open ticket item "Outlook 2003 with Spambayes add-in won't shut down when opened by a ":mailto" or a third party application". Unfortunately, that problem is still present. Great work! Gil -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 04/11/2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050412/e02aa2ca/attachment.html From diho at unlimitedmail.org Tue Apr 12 22:04:42 2005 From: diho at unlimitedmail.org (Dick H) Date: Tue Apr 12 22:05:03 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? Message-ID: <13710379422.20050412220442@unlimitedmail.org> Hi, After I upgraded from 1.04 to 1.1a1 I had several problems that I had to decide to go back to 1.04. Some of the problems I had were: 1) Spam/Ham training through the online server did not cause any change in the statistics but all messages ended up in the pop3proxy-ham-cache or pop3proxy-spam-cache directory depending whether the messages were trained as ham or spam. 2) Once all the training messages ended up in the cache directories, it took ages to start the Spambayes server. 3) Intermittently, I saw e-mail message headers with the following errors: X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): . File "sb_server.pyc", line 564, in onRetr . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 452, in addSBHeaders . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 401, in RememberClassification . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 377, in modified . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 181, in store_msg . File "shelve.pyc", line 130, in __setitem__ . File "bsddb\__init__.pyc", line 218, in __setitem__ .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument') 4) Error messages in the logfile like: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules\spambayes\languages Service not available. Using thread. Loading database... Listener on port 8110 is proxying mail.runbox.com:110 Listener on port 8111 is proxying mail.bluebottle.com:110 Listener on port 8112 is proxying pop.unlimitedmail.org:110 Listener on port 8113 is proxying mail.prettel.nl:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ Loading database... Listener on port 8110 is proxying mail.runbox.com:110 Listener on port 8111 is proxying mail.bluebottle.com:110 Listener on port 8112 is proxying pop.unlimitedmail.org:110 Listener on port 8113 is proxying mail.prettel.nl:110 error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel (socket.error:(10053, 'Software caused connection abort') [asynchat.pyc|handle_read|89] [asyncore.pyc|recv|343]) Almost immediately after this error, the Page File increased to over 1.3GB!!! and my system slowly died. The above mentioned problems made the behavior of SB too unreliable for me so I decided to delete both .db files, empty the cache directories and started from scratch with version 1.04, which was very stable for me. After I trained 1.04 with ham and spam messages, there were no messages in the cache directories and the statistics were updated properly. Am I the only one suffering from these problems or is this 1.1a1 or Python version unstable? Note that I'm using the pop3 interface only, no Outlook. Best regards, Dick -- ____________________________________________________________________ You wake me up early in the morning to tell me I am right? Please wait until I am wrong.-- John von Neumann, on being phoned at 10 a.m. From tim.peters at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 22:34:25 2005 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Tue Apr 12 22:34:29 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? In-Reply-To: <13710379422.20050412220442@unlimitedmail.org> References: <13710379422.20050412220442@unlimitedmail.org> Message-ID: <1f7befae0504121334e30b74c@mail.gmail.com> [Dick H] > After I upgraded from 1.04 to 1.1a1 I had several problems that I had to decide > to go back to 1.04. The "a" in "1.1a1" stands for "alpha": an alpha release is _expected_ to have problems. Testing alpha releases and reporting the problems (which you did) is the way those problems get fixed. If you don't want to try pre-release software, then you shouldn't download alpha or beta releases -- wait for "1.1". On the other hand, if nobody tries alpha and beta releases, there will never be a final release . Thanks for the report! ... > 3) Intermittently, I saw e-mail message headers with the following errors: > X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): > . File "sb_server.pyc", line 564, in onRetr > . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 452, in addSBHeaders > . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 401, in RememberClassification > . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 377, in modified > . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 181, in store_msg > . File "shelve.pyc", line 130, in __setitem__ > . File "bsddb\__init__.pyc", line 218, in __setitem__ > .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, > run database recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument') This one means your database is corrupted. Unfortunately, there's no cure for that short of retraining from scratch. From Jeff at CASSITE.com Tue Apr 12 23:21:07 2005 From: Jeff at CASSITE.com (Jeff Hunter) Date: Tue Apr 12 23:22:14 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Message-ID: Whom it may concern, I had been using SpamBayes for a while and think it is great, but recently it quit working properly. It is no longer filtering emails, nor can I access any way of trying to control it. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling it several times to no avail. Although, there is still a SpamBayes button at the top left of my Outlook window, I cannot click on it and get any response, nor are there still buttons to move messages to, or recover them from the spam folder. I would really like to get SpamBayes working again, but I am at a loss as to how to go about this. Could you please let me know of any suggestions you might have for doing this. I am running Windows XP Media Center, and Outlook XP client fed from and Exchange server. 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Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ************************************************************************ ***************** From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 13 02:31:22 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 13 02:31:45 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 1) Spam/Ham training through the online server did not cause > any change in the statistics but all messages ended up in the > pop3proxy-ham-cache or pop3proxy-spam-cache directory > depending whether the messages were trained as ham or spam. Someone else already reported this one, and it's fixed in CVS. The statistics would actually get updated, but only next time you started sb_server (i.e. the persistent bit worked, but not the current session bit). > 2) Once all the training messages ended up in the cache > directories, it took ages to start the Spambayes server. Longer than with the same number of messages in the cache with 1.0.x? I can't think of any reason that would be. If anyone else is reading this and still using 1.1a1, do you find this too? Is it actually related to the number of files in the caches, or something else? > 3) Intermittently, I saw e-mail message headers with the > following errors: > X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): [...] > .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, > run database recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument') As Tim said, this means that the database is dead, and you have to retrain from scratch. Did you start with the same database you had with 1.0.x, or delete that and start fresh? This problem occurs with 1.0.x, too (and is one of the reasons for 1.1a1 including other database options), although not often, and most cases are caused when something unsupported (concurrent access from two spambayes processes, for example) is done. Was there anything unusual about the way you ran 1.1a1? Was 1.0.x definitely not running at the same time? > 4) Error messages in the logfile like: [...] > error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel > > (socket.error:(10053, 'Software caused connection abort') > [asynchat.pyc|handle_read|89] [asyncore.pyc|recv|343]) > Almost immediately after this error, the Page File increased > to over 1.3GB!!! and my system slowly died. Again, if anyone else is reading this, have you experienced anything like this? It's hard to track down from a single report like this; it would be much easier if someone could keep running 1.1a1 while we figure out what the problem is. I don't suppose you know *when* the messages appeared in the log? (i.e. when you were just using the web interface, when mail was being checked, when training was occurring). Is your network connection unreliable? (My best guess is that there were regular problems with connecting to the POP3 server, but I need more information to know for sure). As Tim said, thanks for the report. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 13 02:42:24 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 13 02:42:35 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > It is no longer filtering emails, nor can I access any way of > trying to control it. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling it > several times to no avail. Although, there is still a > SpamBayes button at the top left of my Outlook window, I > cannot click on it and get any response, nor are there still > buttons to move messages to, or recover them from the spam folder. Please try the steps outlined in the troubleshooting guide. The last one of these is to mail spambayes@python.org again, but include the most recent (or all) log file(s) - the log should contain the information that we need to figure out what is wrong. Normally, you could get to the troubleshooting guide via SpamBayes->Help->Troubleshooting Guide, but since the toolbar isn't working, you can either open the file manually (it's in the docs folder in the folder you installed SpamBayes into, probably C:\Program Files\SpamBayes), you look at the online version: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 13 03:01:38 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 13 03:01:54 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 Outlook add-in feedback In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have also been trying out the 1.1a1 Outlook addin. Thanks; and thanks for the feedback - it really does help us ensure that the final 1.1 is stable. > I too would like clarification on the notifications. > I've set 3 different wav files for Mail, Unsure, and Spam. > I've turned off Windows XP native mail notification sound. > The Mail notification works fine, but I find that I do not > get a notification about a spam mail if there was also a > good mail. Is there some hierarchy built in? I think that > I did get a spam notification once when that was all I received. There is a hierarchy, yes. The rules are: * If ham was received and a ham sound is set, the ham sound is played. * Else, if unsure was received and an unsure sound is set, the unsure sound is played. * Else, if spam was received and a spam sound is set, the spam sound is played. We are very open to suggestions about how this feature can be improved, so if you've got ideas about how this should be changed, please let us know. > I've yet to hear an unsure notification. This is the second report of a problem with the unsure notification, but I just tested it here, and it works for me. If you set the verbosity of your log to 3 (SpamBayes->SpamBayes Manager->Advanced->Diagnostics), you'll get a report (amongst a *lot* of other stuff) in the log when any of the notification sounds are played. Could you try that and next time you get only unsure mail (or unsure and spam) see if there is a report of the unsure sound playing? (If there's an error, it would be great to have a copy of whatever it is). > On a side note, I was hoping 1.1a1 might provide relief from the open > ticket item "Outlook 2003 with Spambayes add-in won't shut down when > opened by a ":mailto" or a third party application". Unfortunately, > that problem is still present. Unfortunately, yes. When we do figure out a solution (if we can: it might be that we have to wait for a Microsoft update for the problem to be fixed), the tracker will be closed. It may be some time before we can look into this, unfortunately, because Kenny is rather busy at the moment, and only have access to Outlook 2000 and 2002, neither of which is affected by this bug. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 13 03:35:33 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 13 03:36:52 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 feedback - Outlook add-in, Notifications T ab In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Have been trying out the 1.1a1 alpha release of the > Outlook add-in. Great - thanks for both trying it out and for the feedback; it's much appreciated. Please let us know if there are way that you think this could be improved. > Good Sound - Functions as expected. There is some confusion between > Window's settings to play a sound on receipt of mail and the setting > in Spambayes. Which takes precedence? The Windows one operates completely independently, but I would suspect that ours would come after that, especially if the background filtering is on, since Outlook then 'knows' about the mail some time before SpamBayes does. We play the sound asynchronously, so I guess it could actually overlap with the Windows one; I'm not sure. Since the Windows one is out of our control (I don't think we can even detect whether it is playing), I'm not sure there's anything we can do about this. I imagine that most people would simply replace using the Windows one with the SpamBayes ones. (Although the Windows one would play for any mail received that SpamBayes doesn't filter). > Unsure Sound - Can't get this to work at all. Have sent myself mail > previously classified as spam so that Spambayes puts this in my Junk > Suspects folder, but sound does not play... Odd. Someone else has reported problems with the unsure sound as well, but I just tried it here (I hadn't tried the sounds myself before; Kenny did those) and it works for me. When the unsure message was received, did you get any other mail at the same time? If you got ham, then the ham sound would play instead of the unsure. If you set the log verbosity to 3 (SpamBayes->SpamBayes Manager->Advanced->Diagnostics) then there will be a note in the log each time any of the sounds are played (as well as a *lot* of extra stuff). Could you try that and then try your test again? It would be good to know whether the note is there in the log, or if there is an error, or what. > But... Some of the flags/options/check-boxes on the Advanced tab seem > to interact with the setting in the Notifications tab. Am unsure of > the relationship between the settings and the effects. eg disabling > background filtering disables sounds for junk mail, but Spambayes > still processes the spam into my Junk Mail folder - strange! There shouldn't be any relationship, other than if background filtering is enabled, then there will be an additional delay before the notification is triggered (the notification is triggered when the message is processed, which is after the background filtering delay, if it is enabled). Disabling background filtering didn't disable sounds for spam for me here. It would be great if you could try this with the log verbosity at 3, as well. > I've been waiting/hoping for an improvement (for the Outlook add-in) > that plays different sounds when good mail (ham) is received, but > ignores Spam. In my opinion, getting the function that plays a > (different) sound for new suspect mail is far more important than > playing a sound for certain spam. I believe that if you set sounds for ham (good) and unsure, but leave spam unset, then you'll get this behaviour (although if both ham and unsure arrive at the same time, then you'll only hear the ham sound). > Overall - an EXCELLENT addition to an already invaluable utility!!! > Everyone should use this. Except those that have to work in quiet offices . It's possible that (in time) there will be another addition to the notification tab, which would control a tray icon, which could be a replacement for the Outlook "new mail" icon that appears (one of the most requested changes), which would suit those people. Sounds are more straightforward, though, so it's best if we get those figured out first. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 13 04:08:51 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 13 04:09:05 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] localization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I would like to offer my translation services to Brazilian > Portuguese as a donation to the project. Tell me if you need > and how do I proceed. That would be great! The best way to start is to get a copy of the 1.1a1 source from the download page and read the section of making a translation (right at the end of the file) in the README-DEVEL.txt file in the source archive. It should explain everything that is necessary (especially if you have done any translating before). If anything (or everything!) doesn't make sense then please ask questions, either here or on spambayes-dev@python.org. Once some of the translations are done, hopefully some of the translators can suggest ways that the instructions can be made easier to understand (I wrote the instructions, but I'm very familiar with the code, so might have not made some bits clear enough). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 13 04:12:12 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 13 04:12:23 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Buttons not working In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I deleted the log. > Closed the buttons. > Restarted outlook > The buttons reappeared > The problem wet away for a SHORT while > Then the buttons stopped working again > I guess "something is screwy" > > Here is my log [...] > *** - message database has 2979 messages - bayes has 3043 - > something is > screwey [...] You can fix the "something is screwey" error by removing both the databases (default_bayes_database.db and default_message_database.db). The message means that they are out of sync, which could occur if one (but not the other) was deleted, or if training was interrupted. It shouldn't effect the toolbars, though. (But ought to be fixed anyway). There are no other errors in the log indicating that something is wrong with the toolbar, unfortunately. Have you tried the steps in the troubleshooting guide that describe ways to fix the toolbar? Particularly, have you deleted outcmd.dat, as it suggests? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 13 05:27:17 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 13 05:27:39 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] System-wide logging of results??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I haven't been able to find a configuration option to make > SpamBayes log to a central log it's results??? Except for the frozen Windows binaries, all the scripts just log to stdout/stderr. You could, probably, get a central log by piping the output (although I don't really know anything about procmail). (Something like 'python sb_filter.py 2>>~/spambayes.log'). This will contain any errors or verbose information that sb_filter outputs. IIRC that doesn't include any information about messages classified (unless something goes wrong). > I would just love to get a central log of how many spams, unsures and > hams it finds. You could add this by adding something like "print >>sys.stderr, disp" at an appropriate place in the filter() function in spambayes/hammie.py. However, if you're going to modify the source, you could not bother with the piping and just get sb_filter to open up a log and enter results into it. (If sb_filter.py ever (optionally?) uses the spambayes.message class, then all this information would be in the messageinfo database. It's much cleaner as it is, though). Does procmail maybe have the facility to do this for you? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 13 05:49:13 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 13 05:52:54 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] how to start spambayes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I would like to start it up automatically when I reboot. I also > wonder if it's possible to start it without having a terminal window. > Forgive me for I'm very new to Linux. In my first attempt I just > included the following lines in the rc.locat file: > > cd /etc/spambayes-1.0.4 > python scripts/sb_server.py It would probably be better to just have "python /etc/spambayes-1.0.4/scripts/sb_server.py" rather than change the local directory. (Assuming that setup.py install has been run, or spambayes is on the PYTHONPATH some other way). > During boot-up, the computer got to 'start local', and just > hung. Would this be because it was trying to initiate a service that > needed X to be running? SpamBayes doesn't need X. > Could one of you tell me a simple way of doing this? If you change the line to "python /etc/spambayes-1.0.4/scripts/sb_server.py &", does that work? > I did read the enabling spamd as a unix daemon page on the Spambayes > website, but, I just don't know enough to know how to modify it. I believe you can just save either script as is (as "/etc/init.d/spambayes" or "/etc/spamd/spamd"), and then in rc.local you have "/etc/init.d/spambayes start" (if you use the first script) or "/etc/spamd/spamd" (if you use the second). If you use the first script, you can change the variables at the top: SBPROXY=/opt/bin/sb_server.py Location of the sb_server script. I gather this would be /etc/spambayes-1.0.4/scripts/sb_server.py for you. SBLOG=/var/log/spam.log The log. Could be anything you like, including /dev/null. SBDIR=/opt/sb_data Location of the spambayes package, I think. Maybe this is /etc/spambayes-1.0.4/spambayes for you? If none of this helps, try reposting, but with "linux" in the subject. I suspect that that's more likely to get the attention of someone that can properly help. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From wkrussell at magicspeller.com Wed Apr 13 08:45:19 2005 From: wkrussell at magicspeller.com (Keith Russell) Date: Wed Apr 13 08:45:25 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] 1.1a1 IMAP Problems Message-ID: <425CBFFF.80402@magicspeller.com> Hi, everyone. After discovering version 1.1a1, I decided it might be time to try SpamBayes with my IMAP account again. I have run into some problems, however. 1. First, I am getting an error message that says, "This application has failed to start because python 2.3 dll was not found". This error message displays, for example, when I execute "sb_imapfilter.py -b", but the Web Interface opens and I am (seemingly) able to configure the client. Does this mean that I need to be using Python 2.3? (I'm using 2.4.1.) 2. I set ham training to my INBOX (221 messages) and INBOX.New (4146 messages) folders, and spam training to my INBOX.Spam (1968) folder. However, Status displays "Total emails trained: Spam: 0 Ham: 101". Why were not all the messages in my three training folders trained? Thanks for your help. -- Keith Russell From jpiw at go2.pl Wed Apr 13 09:01:51 2005 From: jpiw at go2.pl (Janusz Piwowarski) Date: Wed Apr 13 09:01:28 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? References: Message-ID: <002a01c53ff6$ac58c290$110412ac@januszpXP> Hello, > > 2) Once all the training messages ended up in the cache > > directories, it took ages to start the Spambayes server. > Longer than with the same number of messages in the cache with 1.0.x? I > can't think of any reason that would be. If anyone else is reading this > and > still using 1.1a1, do you find this too? Is it actually related to the > number of files in the caches, or something else? I noticed it, too. > > 3) Intermittently, I saw e-mail message headers with the > > following errors: > > X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): > > [...] > > .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, > > run database recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument') > As Tim said, this means that the database is dead, and you have to retrain > from scratch. I have the same problem, but it looks like despite it spambayes is working and training. Is there a method for save the database? And during receive process, spambayes eats up to 1.2GB memory. WinXP SP2, Celeron 2GHz, 512 RAM Regards, Janusz From diho at unlimitedmail.org Wed Apr 13 09:18:46 2005 From: diho at unlimitedmail.org (diho@unlimitedmail.org) Date: Wed Apr 13 09:19:26 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? Message-ID: <200504130718.j3D7Ij6D026450@mail.unlimitedmail.org> Hello Tony, Regarding 2: With 1.04 there are no messages in the cache so SB starts up almost instantaneously. Regarding 3: 1.0X was definitely not running. I shutdown the server and completely removed the Spambayes folder from the Program Directory before I installed 1.1a1. Regarding 4: I've no clue when it happened. I looked in the logfile when I noticed that Spambayes was using CPU and I/O cycles and my system was about dead. Then I saw the error message in the logfile and the size of the Pafe File (normally the PF is about 300MB). I've seen that Janusz Piwowarski seems to have similar problems but I'm more than happy to re-install 1.1a1 and closely monitor for this error to happen again (and if possible, will try to re-create it). Let me know what you want me to do. -- Best regards, Dick ___________________________________________________________ I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.--Douglas Adams > > 1) Spam/Ham training through the online server did not cause > > any change in the statistics but all messages ended up in the > > pop3proxy-ham-cache or pop3proxy-spam-cache directory > > depending whether the messages were trained as ham or spam. > > Someone else already reported this one, and it's fixed in CVS. The > statistics would actually get updated, but only next time you started > sb_server (i.e. the persistent bit worked, but not the current session bit). > > > 2) Once all the training messages ended up in the cache > > directories, it took ages to start the Spambayes server. > > Longer than with the same number of messages in the cache with 1.0.x? I > can't think of any reason that would be. If anyone else is reading this and > still using 1.1a1, do you find this too? Is it actually related to the > number of files in the caches, or something else? > > > 3) Intermittently, I saw e-mail message headers with the > > following errors: > > X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): > [...] > > .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, > > run database recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument') > > As Tim said, this means that the database is dead, and you have to retrain > from scratch. Did you start with the same database you had with 1.0.x, or > delete that and start fresh? This problem occurs with 1.0.x, too (and is > one of the reasons for 1.1a1 including other database options), although not > often, and most cases are caused when something unsupported (concurrent > access from two spambayes processes, for example) is done. Was there > anything unusual about the way you ran 1.1a1? Was 1.0.x definitely not > running at the same time? > > > 4) Error messages in the logfile like: > [...] > > error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel > > > > (socket.error:(10053, 'Software caused connection abort') > > [asynchat.pyc|handle_read|89] [asyncore.pyc|recv|343]) > > Almost immediately after this error, the Page File increased > > to over 1.3GB!!! and my system slowly died. > > Again, if anyone else is reading this, have you experienced anything like > this? It's hard to track down from a single report like this; it would be > much easier if someone could keep running 1.1a1 while we figure out what the > problem is. I don't suppose you know *when* the messages appeared in the > log? (i.e. when you were just using the web interface, when mail was being > checked, when training was occurring). Is your network connection > unreliable? (My best guess is that there were regular problems with > connecting to the POP3 server, but I need more information to know for > sure). > > As Tim said, thanks for the report. > > =Tony.Meyer > > -- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. > http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. > > -------------------------------------- Message sent from the Unlimited Mail Free Services Platform. http://www.unlimitedmail.net -------------------------------------- From fuf at mageo.cz Wed Apr 13 10:41:51 2005 From: fuf at mageo.cz (Michal Vitecek) Date: Wed Apr 13 10:41:53 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? In-Reply-To: <1f7befae0504121334e30b74c@mail.gmail.com> References: <13710379422.20050412220442@unlimitedmail.org> <1f7befae0504121334e30b74c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050413084150.GN24307@foof.i3.cz> Tim Peters wrote: >[Dick H] >> 3) Intermittently, I saw e-mail message headers with the following errors: >> X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): >> . File "sb_server.pyc", line 564, in onRetr >> . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 452, in addSBHeaders >> . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 401, in RememberClassification >> . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 377, in modified >> . File "spambayes\message.pyc", line 181, in store_msg >> . File "shelve.pyc", line 130, in __setitem__ >> . File "bsddb\__init__.pyc", line 218, in __setitem__ >> .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, >> run database recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument') > >This one means your database is corrupted. Unfortunately, there's no >cure for that short of retraining from scratch. there is a hackish patch #1177008 i submitted to sourceforge which allows to get rid of this problem by setting database type for messageinfo_db to none. thus there are no writes/reads from the database and it can't get corrupted. so far, i'm running this for a week and had no problem - sb_server.py is very stable. -- fuf (fuf@mageo.cz) From fuf at mageo.cz Wed Apr 13 10:46:09 2005 From: fuf at mageo.cz (Michal Vitecek) Date: Wed Apr 13 10:46:12 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050413084609.GO24307@foof.i3.cz> Tony Meyer wrote: >> 3) Intermittently, I saw e-mail message headers with the >> following errors: >> X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): >[...] >> .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, >> run database recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument') > >As Tim said, this means that the database is dead, and you have to retrain >from scratch. Did you start with the same database you had with 1.0.x, or >delete that and start fresh? This problem occurs with 1.0.x, too (and is >one of the reasons for 1.1a1 including other database options), although not >often, and most cases are caused when something unsupported (concurrent >access from two spambayes processes, for example) is done. Was there >anything unusual about the way you ran 1.1a1? Was 1.0.x definitely not >running at the same time? this has been happening for me too from the very first time i started using spambayes on our firm's mailserver. i can assure you there is no other process accessing messageinfo_db besides sb_server itself. it simply mangles the database all alone :) >> 4) Error messages in the logfile like: >[...] >> error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel >> >> (socket.error:(10053, 'Software caused connection abort') >> [asynchat.pyc|handle_read|89] [asyncore.pyc|recv|343]) >> Almost immediately after this error, the Page File increased >> to over 1.3GB!!! and my system slowly died. > >Again, if anyone else is reading this, have you experienced anything like >this? It's hard to track down from a single report like this; it would be >much easier if someone could keep running 1.1a1 while we figure out what the >problem is. I don't suppose you know *when* the messages appeared in the >log? (i.e. when you were just using the web interface, when mail was being >checked, when training was occurring). Is your network connection >unreliable? (My best guess is that there were regular problems with >connecting to the POP3 server, but I need more information to know for >sure). i'm having the same problem and i submitted a bug #1178463 to sourceforge. i don't know what causes it - from the look of the error i guess the problem is that sb_server cannot cope with socket which wasn't closed cleanly and continues to operate on it. -- fuf (fuf@mageo.cz) From postmaster at intertek.com Wed Apr 13 15:00:39 2005 From: postmaster at intertek.com (postmaster@intertek.com) Date: Wed Apr 13 15:19:48 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] NOTICE: mail delivery status Message-ID: <20050413131947.090B41E4002@bag.python.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From beths at dessci.com Thu Apr 14 01:08:00 2005 From: beths at dessci.com (Beth Sargent) Date: Thu Apr 14 01:08:07 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes/Whiet List Message-ID: <46566A3075DDD311969100E0811031EC07407225@euclid.dessci> Hello, Is there a white list feature available? Or some such feature that allows all messages from a specific source and does not sort them as spam? I can't seem to find it and any help is appreciated. Best Regards, Beth Sargent Technical Support Design Science, Inc. 4028 Broadway Long Beach, CA 90803 Email: support@dessci.com Phone: 562.433.0685 Web: www.dessci.com Many commonly reported problems are addressed on our website. You may view our Technical Support Notices at http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tncentral.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050413/ceb27084/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 14 01:25:34 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 14 01:25:44 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes/Whiet List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Is there a white list feature available? Please see FAQ 6.6: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 14 04:03:44 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 14 04:03:52 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Michal Vitecek] > there is a hackish patch #1177008 i submitted to sourceforge > which allows to get rid of this problem by setting database > type for messageinfo_db to none. thus there are no > writes/reads from the database and it can't get corrupted. > so far, i'm running this for a week and had no problem - > sb_server.py is very stable. If anyone really needs to avoid this problem right now, then you can use this, but otherwise please don't. This patch avoids the problem; it does nothing to solve it. You will also lose functionality - sb_imapfilter will basically not work, nor will the Outlook plug-in. At the moment, the only part of sb_server that will not work is the generation of the additional statistics, but that is not guaranteed to remain the case. Note, too, that this only works if it is the messageinfo database becoming corrupted - you cannot set the token database to none, or nothing will work. If the messageinfo database becomes corrupted, then you do not need to retrain from scratch, just remove the dead database. If anyone can provide steps that will cause database corruption, then we would be very interested in hearing those. Michal has done so in the patch referred to above (rather involved, so I haven't had a chance to try and duplicate it yet), but we are interested in any others as well. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 14 04:07:19 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 14 04:08:14 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] 1.1a1 IMAP Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 1. First, I am getting an error message that says, "This > application has failed to start because python 2.3 dll was not > found". This error message displays, for example, when I execute > "sb_imapfilter.py -b", but the Web Interface opens and I am > (seemingly) able to configure the client. Does this mean that I > need to be using Python 2.3? (I'm using 2.4.1.) No - sb_imapfilter should work with 2.2, 2.3, or 2.4. It doesn't load any dll's at all, Python takes care of that. Is something wrong with your Python install, perhaps? What happens if you open a command window and type "python"? Does the error appear then? > 2. I set ham training to my INBOX (221 messages) and INBOX.New > (4146 messages) folders, and spam training to my INBOX.Spam > (1968) folder. However, Status displays "Total emails trained: > Spam: 0 Ham: 101". Why were not all the messages in my three > training folders trained? What appeared in the imapfilter output? Are these messages all undeleted? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 14 04:15:26 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 14 04:15:36 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> 2) Once all the training messages ended up in the cache >> directories, it took ages to start the Spambayes server. > > I noticed it, too. Ok, I'll look into this. [ 1182671 ] When cache directories are full, 1.1a1 starts slowly >> 3) Intermittently, I saw e-mail message headers with the >> following errors: >> X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): [...] >> .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30978, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, >> run database recovery -- PANIC: Invalid argument') > > I have the same problem, but it looks like despite it > spambayes is working and training. If it's the messageinfo database, then things might continue to work. You really ought to delete that database (the token one should be ok) though. > Is there a method for save the database? To make a backup, you mean? Yes, just copy the file. If you mean recover a dead one, then no. > And during receive process, spambayes eats up to 1.2GB memory. I'll look into this, too. [ 1182670 ] High memory consumption with sb_server when receiving mail Thanks for the report. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 14 04:22:23 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 14 04:23:03 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> 4) Error messages in the logfile like: [...] >> error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel >> >> (socket.error:(10053, 'Software caused connection abort') >> [asynchat.pyc|handle_read|89] [asyncore.pyc|recv|343]) >> Almost immediately after this error, the Page File increased >> to over 1.3GB!!! and my system slowly died. [...] > i'm having the same problem and i submitted a bug #1178463 > to sourceforge. i don't know what causes it - from the look > of the error i guess the problem is that sb_server cannot > cope with socket which wasn't closed cleanly and continues > to operate on it. It would really help if someone could add any extra information to the tracker (at least the version number and whether it is with both binary and source). Otherwise it's just too time consuming to track this down. [ 1178463 ] Bad file descriptior (http handler) =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From magicspeller at fastmail.us Thu Apr 14 04:43:39 2005 From: magicspeller at fastmail.us (Keith Russell) Date: Thu Apr 14 04:43:45 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] 1.1a1 IMAP Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425DD8DB.3020504@fastmail.us> Thanks for the helpful reply, as usual, Tony. Tony Meyer wrote: > No - sb_imapfilter should work with 2.2, 2.3, or 2.4. It doesn't load any > dll's at all, Python takes care of that. Is something wrong with your > Python install, perhaps? What happens if you open a command window and type > "python"? Does the error appear then? It's possible something might be wrong with the install, but no, Python executes just fine on its own, with no errors. > What appeared in the imapfilter output? Are these messages all undeleted? Sorry to be so dense, but you lost me. Where do I look to check that? -- Keith From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 14 06:04:49 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 14 06:07:58 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.1a1 too many problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Regarding 2: With 1.04 there are no messages in the cache so > SB starts up almost instantaneously. I'm particularly curious about whether 1.1a1 is slower than 1.0.x when conditions are the same (e.g. the cache directories are the same). But I'll look into this: [ 1182671 ] When cache directories are full, 1.1a1 starts slowly > Regarding 3: 1.0X was definitely not running. I shutdown the > server and completely removed the Spambayes folder from the > Program Directory before I installed 1.1a1. This too, although if anyone is able to come up with a reliable set of steps to reproduce the problem, that would help. (Particularly if it doesn't involve simulating thousands of messages being classified as the only example to date does! :) > Regarding 4: I've no clue when it happened. I looked in the > logfile when I noticed that Spambayes was using CPU and I/O > cycles and my system was about dead. Then I saw the error > message in the logfile and the size of the Pafe File > (normally the PF is about 300MB). I'll look into this, too. [ 1182670 ] High memory consumption with sb_server when receiving mail > I've seen that Janusz Piwowarski seems to have similar > problems but I'm more than happy to re-install 1.1a1 and > closely monitor for this error to happen again (and if > possible, will try to re-create it). Let me know what you > want me to do. Give me a few days and I'll see what I can come up with. If I can't reproduce either of these, I'll note that in the trackers, and then if you (or Janusz) can add more information (I'll be specific about what I need) that would be great. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 14 06:12:43 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 14 06:13:02 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] 1.1a1 IMAP Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> No - sb_imapfilter should work with 2.2, 2.3, or 2.4. It >> doesn't load any dll's at all, Python takes care of that. Is >> something wrong with your Python install, perhaps? What happens >> if you open a command window and type "python"? Does the error >> appear then? > > It's possible something might be wrong with the install, but no, > Python executes just fine on its own, with no errors. Weird. This is running the source sb_imapfilter.py, right, and not the new binary sb_imapfilter.exe that's in 1.1a1? (If it is the .exe, then it might be (but shouldn't) trying to load python23.dll, and I can track that down. Both the systems I tested it on have Python 2.3 installed, so it would have found it if it looked for it). >> What appeared in the imapfilter output? Are these messages all >> undeleted? > > Sorry to be so dense, but you lost me. Where do I look to check that? Your mail client ought to tell you if the messages are "undeleted" (or, rather, tell if which messages *are* deleted, leaving the rest as "undeleted"). IMAP messages that are marked as /Deleted often have a (red) line through them, or something like that. It's possible that the mail client automatically hides messages like that. The filter will skip any of those messages, but presumably the message counts you gave didn't include any /Deleted messages. If you're running the binary imapfilter (sb_imapfilter.exe), then (I realise now) the output is lost - it ought to go into a log file, and will in 1.1a2 and later: [ 1182703 ] sb_imapfilter binary should output to log If you're running from source (sb_imapfilter.py), then if you're running the script with python.exe rather than pythonw.exe a console window should be open while it's running and the output will appear in there. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From ssprings at brinkleysargent.com Fri Apr 15 15:54:23 2005 From: ssprings at brinkleysargent.com (Stephen Springs) Date: Fri Apr 15 16:25:22 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Improvement suggestion Message-ID: I am a Spambaynes fan, but I have an idea for you. It would be great if somehow the filter could run before the "you've got mail" indications. I.e. I would just assume not hear my little sound and get the envelope icon in the system tray when I get spam. I apologize if this functionality already exists and I am unaware. If so, I would appreciate knowing how to enable it. Running: Win 2000 Pro Outlook 2002 Stephen Springs, AIA brinkley sargent architects 5000 Quorum Drive, Suite 123 Dallas, Texas 75254 972/960-9970 www.brinkleysargent.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050415/39da2317/attachment.html From davidwwilson at comcast.net Fri Apr 15 17:36:21 2005 From: davidwwilson at comcast.net (David Wilson) Date: Fri Apr 15 17:30:03 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <000701c541d0$dff1b590$6401a8c0@cato9tails> First, a note to say I use Spambayes with Outlook Express, and it is very good a dealing with spam as I trained it. However... Is it possible to untrain Spambayes, that is, to forget everything it has learned and start over again? - David W. Wilson "Truth is just truth -- You can't have opinions about the truth." - Peter Schickele, from P.D.Q. Bach's oratorio "The Seasonings" From don at donireland.com Fri Apr 15 17:42:46 2005 From: don at donireland.com (Don Ireland) Date: Fri Apr 15 17:42:51 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) References: <000701c541d0$dff1b590$6401a8c0@cato9tails> Message-ID: <001501c541d1$c5f33d70$2201010a@L1.Local> I take it you LIKE to train it? To answer your question--yes. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#id45 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wilson" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) First, a note to say I use Spambayes with Outlook Express, and it is very good a dealing with spam as I trained it. However... Is it possible to untrain Spambayes, that is, to forget everything it has learned and start over again? - David W. Wilson "Truth is just truth -- You can't have opinions about the truth." - Peter Schickele, from P.D.Q. Bach's oratorio "The Seasonings" _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Apr 16 02:56:17 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Apr 16 02:56:23 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Improvement suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > It would be great if somehow the filter could run before > the "you've got mail" indications. Unfortunately there isn't any known way to get SpamBayes to consistently run before the Outlook rules. The most consistent behaviour occurs if SpamBayes runs after the Outlook rules, so this is what the "background filtering" option (Advanced tab; on by default) does. If you turn that off, then you *might* have SpamBayes run before the Outlook rules, depending on the details of your system. You might find that who goes first arbitrarily changes, or that Outlook always goes first anyway (particularly if the rules are running on an Exchange server). With the 1.1 release, you can get SpamBayes to move good mail (ham) to a folder, like unsure and spam can be moved. With this, you could simulate the Outlook rules going second by having them process messages appearing in this "ham" folder, rather than on any incoming mail. However, neither the envelope tray icon nor the new mail sound are triggered by Outlook rules, AFAIK. (Although you could, I believe, setup an Outlook rule to play a new mail sound; AFAIK you can't interact with the tray icon). > I.e. I would just assume > not hear my little sound and get the envelope icon in the > system tray when I get spam. With 1.1 we have a potential solution to the sound part of this. You can turn off the Outlook new mail sound, and turn on notification sounds that SpamBayes will play. You can set separate sounds for ham, unsure, and spam mail, or have no sound for each classification. To do what you're after (assuming that SpamBayes filters all mail), you could set a sound for ham (and unsure, possibly), but not for spam. If people like the new notifications feature, then it's likely that a similar feature will be added for the tray icon (i.e. we will have our own one). There's a lot of information about why we don't just control the existing one here: An alpha release of 1.1 (1.1a1) is available at the moment (see ). If you are comfortable with trying out pre-release (experimental/testing) versions of software, then you could download it and give it a go (you can always go back to 1.0.4 if necessary). Otherwise, you'll have to wait until the final release of 1.1 is made (at least a couple of months away). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From don.davis at vinearts.net Sat Apr 16 06:24:31 2005 From: don.davis at vinearts.net (Don Davis) Date: Sat Apr 16 06:25:10 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk mailbox disappeared Message-ID: <00bc01c5423c$2ffd0830$6401a8c0@Don> We need help with finding how to get the junk email box back. The suspect box is still working, but when we logged on the junk email box was gone along with all the email it contained which was considerable (about 300). We have read the troubleshooting information but find nothing to help this problem. Don Davis VineArts 805 239-1230 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From chaseeng at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 17 15:18:21 2005 From: chaseeng at optusnet.com.au (Brian Palmer) Date: Sun Apr 17 15:15:36 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Discontinue spambayes e-mails Message-ID: <004001c5434f$edd40660$724decdc@e3g8q3> Hi There, After an unsuccessful attempt to get Spambayes to work for me, I signed up for the email exchanges concerning problems - and their solutions. However, I am now inundated with a stream of messages daily concerning various user problems and their solutions - none of which concern or interest me. Would you please deregister me from this service - I have decided that if there are so many problems being reported that I would be much better off using another spam filtering program. I have already uninstalled Spambayes - I hope - and will seek out another filter. Best regards, Brian Chase Engineering Pty Ltd PO Box 108 St Ives NSW 2075 Tel : (02) 9439 8299 Fax : (02) 9449 9225 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050417/d4af6ec3/attachment.htm From shahram at canada.com Mon Apr 18 04:55:55 2005 From: shahram at canada.com (seyed banihashem) Date: Mon Apr 18 04:55:10 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] salaam Message-ID: <20050417195555.13349.h004.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Salaam Payman Jaan, Omidvaram ke halet khoob bashe va in message be dastet bereseh. Aslan fekr nemikonam mano yadet biyad. If you get this message please reply to it. Looking forward to hear from you. ba dorood, shahram From shar2 at sympatico.ca Mon Apr 18 04:59:40 2005 From: shar2 at sympatico.ca (shar) Date: Mon Apr 18 04:59:43 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] salaam (az shahram) Message-ID: Salaam Payman Jaan, Omidvaram ke halet khoob bashe va in message be dastet bereseh. Aslan fekr nemikonam mano yadet biyad. My email address: s_banihashem@hotmail.com If you get this message please reply to it. Looking forward to hear from you. ba dorood, shahram From cty95333 at centurytel.net Mon Apr 18 02:34:30 2005 From: cty95333 at centurytel.net (Allan & Linda Schilter) Date: Mon Apr 18 13:11:22 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Suspect Junk Box Message-ID: <000001c54406$e75a3b30$e10b7042@DearRestPC> I by mistake deleted this box. How do I get it back? Allan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050417/d599c681/attachment.html From bandrews at trendcore.com Mon Apr 18 15:06:41 2005 From: bandrews at trendcore.com (Bryan D. Andrews) Date: Mon Apr 18 15:06:28 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request Message-ID: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF56285943281257@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> Perhaps this can already be done but... We would to have an option for all our contacts, sent item "addressed to", and HAM "from" email addresses to not go into the junk suspects or junk folder. I literally get so much spam now that I cannot even *think* about looking in the junk folder -- I just have to trust... the junk suspects is getting this way as well... Thanks! From bandrews at trendcore.com Mon Apr 18 15:06:41 2005 From: bandrews at trendcore.com (Bryan D. Andrews) Date: Mon Apr 18 15:09:29 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request Message-ID: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF56285943281258@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> Perhaps this can already be done but... We would to have an option for all our contacts, sent item "addressed to", and HAM "from" email addresses to not go into the junk suspects or junk folder. I literally get so much spam now that I cannot even *think* about looking in the junk folder -- I just have to trust... the junk suspects is getting this way as well... Thanks! From skip at pobox.com Mon Apr 18 17:09:56 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Mon Apr 18 17:10:03 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF56285943281257@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> References: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF56285943281257@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> Message-ID: <16995.52676.880511.526976@montanaro.dyndns.org> Bryan> I literally get so much spam now that I cannot even *think* about Bryan> looking in the junk folder -- I just have to trust... the junk Bryan> suspects is getting this way as well... Hmmm... How large is your junk suspects folder that you can't at least skim it? Shifting gears a bit, I think it would be worthwhile for all organizations to at least look at greylisting as a way to reduce the amount of spam entering their networks. Take a look here: http://www.greylisting.org/ I happen to use postgrey with postfix as my weapon of choice. On March 25th I started using this setup. This graph shows the number of messages SpamBayes has had to classify since early last November: http://manatee.mojam.com/~skip/sb.png Note the huge drop in mail it classified as spam after March 25th. By my crude calculation I've seen a drop in spam reaching SpamBayes by a factor of four to five, about 1540 per day over the first 20 days of the graph's period and about 330 per day over the last 20 days. Note that these numbers are for the email received by one person, not an entire organization. Eliminating the high-scoring spam which is simply discarded (that scoring >= 0.80), I'm left with about 30 messages classified as spam per day that need to be scanned and about twice as many unsures. Those numbers may just be artifacts of the train-to-exhaustion regimen I use or misclassified mails in my training database. At any rate, they are small enough for me to skim quickly at various times during the day. Anecdotally, SpamBayes seems to be doing a better job classifying the mail I do receive (60 unsures per day notwithstanding). My theory is that eliminating entire classes of spam (mostly that sent by virus-commandeered Windows machines) probably reduces the variability in the spam that does get past postfix, so spam is easier to properly classify. I realize a postfix mail server is probably not in the cards for everyone. If you're a Microsoft customer I suggest you start leaning on them to add something similar to their SMTP server product. -- Skip Montanaro skip@pobox.com From jjohnson at smmdirect.com Mon Apr 18 18:47:02 2005 From: jjohnson at smmdirect.com (John E. Johnson) Date: Mon Apr 18 18:47:07 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] deleted junk email Message-ID: <000801c54436$3f248d50$5000a8c0@smminternal.com> What should I do when I accidently deleted the "junk email folder" from my deleted items. I'm on Win2000 version 1.0rc2 John E. Johnson Silicon Mountain Memory Eastern Region Sales Manager 888.745.6866 x132 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050418/bf6dbb8b/attachment.htm From bandrews at trendcore.com Mon Apr 18 21:37:26 2005 From: bandrews at trendcore.com (Bryan D. Andrews) Date: Mon Apr 18 21:37:09 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request Message-ID: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF5628594328128B@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> Don't you agree that you should be able to whitelist everyone you are doing business though? Do you not think this would make a great addition? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:10 AM To: Bryan D. Andrews Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Feature Request Bryan> I literally get so much spam now that I cannot even *think* about Bryan> looking in the junk folder -- I just have to trust... the junk Bryan> suspects is getting this way as well... Hmmm... How large is your junk suspects folder that you can't at least skim it? Shifting gears a bit, I think it would be worthwhile for all organizations to at least look at greylisting as a way to reduce the amount of spam entering their networks. Take a look here: http://www.greylisting.org/ I happen to use postgrey with postfix as my weapon of choice. On March 25th I started using this setup. This graph shows the number of messages SpamBayes has had to classify since early last November: http://manatee.mojam.com/~skip/sb.png Note the huge drop in mail it classified as spam after March 25th. By my crude calculation I've seen a drop in spam reaching SpamBayes by a factor of four to five, about 1540 per day over the first 20 days of the graph's period and about 330 per day over the last 20 days. Note that these numbers are for the email received by one person, not an entire organization. Eliminating the high-scoring spam which is simply discarded (that scoring >= 0.80), I'm left with about 30 messages classified as spam per day that need to be scanned and about twice as many unsures. Those numbers may just be artifacts of the train-to-exhaustion regimen I use or misclassified mails in my training database. At any rate, they are small enough for me to skim quickly at various times during the day. Anecdotally, SpamBayes seems to be doing a better job classifying the mail I do receive (60 unsures per day notwithstanding). My theory is that eliminating entire classes of spam (mostly that sent by virus-commandeered Windows machines) probably reduces the variability in the spam that does get past postfix, so spam is easier to properly classify. I realize a postfix mail server is probably not in the cards for everyone. If you're a Microsoft customer I suggest you start leaning on them to add something similar to their SMTP server product. -- Skip Montanaro skip@pobox.com From skip at pobox.com Mon Apr 18 22:16:29 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Mon Apr 18 22:16:38 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF5628594328128B@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> References: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF5628594328128B@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> Message-ID: <16996.5533.540980.857634@montanaro.dyndns.org> Bryan> Don't you agree that you should be able to whitelist everyone you Bryan> are doing business though? No, actually I don't. I get the occasional spam and/or virus purporting to be from people in the Python community who I believe would never spam me and who I also trust keep their machines virus-free.. I trust SpamBayes to sort things out. In situations where I think email coming from a particular source "can't possibly be spam", I filter it to the proper mailbox before SpamBayes sees it. You should be able to do this in Outlook as well. I don't use Outlook though, so I'd be hard-pressed to tell you how to do this. Skip From bandrews at trendcore.com Mon Apr 18 22:43:34 2005 From: bandrews at trendcore.com (Bryan D. Andrews) Date: Mon Apr 18 22:43:18 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request Message-ID: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF56285943281299@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> I definitely think this is subjective and I think the FAQ says it best... Anyway, whether or not this feature would be used by everyone, it would be a great addition. I do not know how many emails I may have lost to the junk folder because I can barely keep up with my suspects folder and if there was a way for me to keep an active local whitelist based on my contacts, my sent items, and my HAM, I would dare say I would have more confidence in my ability to not miss a business communication. I am pretty active in the development community and I can say in the past 10 years I have never received spam (forged) from an associate. I dare say much of the userbase of spambayes (unless they are python developers apparently :)) do not either. Anyway thanks for the responses -- I had not seen that FAQ. -----Original Message----- From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 4:16 PM To: Bryan D. Andrews Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Feature Request Bryan> Don't you agree that you should be able to whitelist everyone you Bryan> are doing business though? No, actually I don't. I get the occasional spam and/or virus purporting to be from people in the Python community who I believe would never spam me and who I also trust keep their machines virus-free.. I trust SpamBayes to sort things out. In situations where I think email coming from a particular source "can't possibly be spam", I filter it to the proper mailbox before SpamBayes sees it. You should be able to do this in Outlook as well. I don't use Outlook though, so I'd be hard-pressed to tell you how to do this. Skip From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 19 02:51:47 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 19 02:52:02 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Suspect Junk Box In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I by mistake deleted this box. How do I get it back? Please see FAQ 3.13: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 19 02:54:28 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 19 02:54:35 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] deleted junk email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > What should I do when I accidently deleted the > "junk email folder" from my deleted items. Please see FAQ 3.13: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 19 02:58:49 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 19 02:58:57 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Discontinue spambayes e-mails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > After an unsuccessful attempt to get Spambayes to work for > me, I signed up for the email exchanges concerning problems > - and their solutions. > > However, I am now inundated with a stream of messages daily > concerning various user problems and their solutions - none > of which concern or interest me. > > Would you please deregister me from this service - Unsubscribe options are included with every message sent to the list. You can unsubscribe via email or the web: Instructions about how to do this would also have been in the initial message you received when you joined the list. > I have decided that if there are so many problems being reported > that I would be much better off using another spam filtering program. That's up to you, and if you've found something that works for you, that's great. However, this is a poor conclusion. Did you *read* what people were saying? In the last few weeks the vast majority of messages have either been user-error ("I deleted my spam folder"), feature requests, or reports from people trying out the *alpha* release, which one would expect to be problematic. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 19 02:59:26 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 19 02:59:33 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk mailbox disappeared In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > We need help with finding how to get the junk email box back. Please see FAQ 3.13: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 19 03:04:52 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 19 03:05:04 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I definitely think this is subjective and I think > the FAQ says it best... FAQ 6.6, I presume: Note that, as the FAQ says, it's not difficult to setup your own whitelist in pretty much any mail client, including Outlook. > Anyway, whether or not this feature would be used by > everyone, it would be a great addition. [...] > I am pretty active in the development community [...] This sounds like a perfect opportunity to scratch an itch to me <0.5 wink>. Seriously, if "active" is active as a developer, then we'd be happy to accept patches that implement whitelisting in the Outlook plug-in (to quiet the incessant requests for it, if nothing else). The FAQ has links to comments about the potential issues with implementation, if you are interested. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From fuf at mageo.cz Tue Apr 19 10:09:02 2005 From: fuf at mageo.cz (Michal Vitecek) Date: Tue Apr 19 10:09:04 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: <16996.5533.540980.857634@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF5628594328128B@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> <16996.5533.540980.857634@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20050419080902.GV13665@foof.i3.cz> Skip Montanaro wrote: > > Bryan> Don't you agree that you should be able to whitelist everyone you > Bryan> are doing business though? > >No, actually I don't. I get the occasional spam and/or virus purporting to >be from people in the Python community who I believe would never spam me and >who I also trust keep their machines virus-free.. I trust SpamBayes to sort >things out. In situations where I think email coming from a particular >source "can't possibly be spam", I filter it to the proper mailbox before >SpamBayes sees it. You should be able to do this in Outlook as well. I >don't use Outlook though, so I'd be hard-pressed to tell you how to do this. i think you trust spambayes way too much. i also think pre-filtering mail before spambayes is quite strange - what's the use of a filtering application if it needs such workarounds? whitelisting would imo definitely help, because: 1) it's tiresome to train spambayes several weeks that certain mails with a pattern (== automatically generated) are indeed ham when one has a largish spam/ham database. 2) some mails from certain addresses must not be missed (or put in spam folder where they receive much lesser attention), now if you combine it with sb_server.py on a firm's pop3 server you see whitelisting would help immensely because there are no easier ways how to do it (filter a mail to a mailbox before spambayes) - it's certainly more difficult than adding whitelisting to spambayes. 3) it's a feature some might not use but which would be listed when comparing with different filtering application. i've read some reviews on spambayes on the internet and this missing feature was adding unnecessary cons to spambayes. also i find it a bit strange that the spambayes developers disapprove of this feature: 1) it can't be that difficult to implement 2) it's up to the users to decide what tokens (even compound ones) they consider so important that they take over the whole classification. it's certainly troubling one can do 'rm -rf /' but it's not the fault of developers that it caused problems to certain users. thank you, -- fuf (fuf@mageo.cz) From karmic25 at rogers.com Tue Apr 19 12:22:29 2005 From: karmic25 at rogers.com (JOAN GALLAGHER) Date: Tue Apr 19 12:22:28 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Information on Spambayes please? Message-ID: <000601c544c9$b18c62d0$0b369c18@mdg68ba9b264c3> Hello! I read the reviews at SnapFiles and wanted to try your program but I'm unsure of what it is I'm supposed to be installing as when I unzipped the folder I didn't see a program there just a lot of folders. Also I have no idea what 'Python' is. I'm not really computer illiterate but I just don't understand the 'open source' type of programs. I'm using XP and Outlook Express and get so much Spam I can't keep it under control so I'm very interested in your program. Best Regards, Joan Gallagher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050419/d24e4e2b/attachment.htm From bandrews at trendcore.com Tue Apr 19 13:17:09 2005 From: bandrews at trendcore.com (Bryan D. Andrews) Date: Tue Apr 19 13:16:58 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request Message-ID: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF562859432812B6@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> I wish I had python experience because I would love to contribute. Anyway I understand that there are reasons that this is not part of spambayes. I just think it would really help moving forward as the velocity of spam starts to make you say to yourself - "why hasn't he emailed me... did I miss his email in my junk folder?". This occurs quite a lot these days for me and I was thinking that this could be a solution that really boosts the integrity of the application. And to the argument that some spammers will use known names, if this feature is configurable you don't have to use it. Perhaps the whitelisting can be weighted as HAM also all the way up to 100%. Anyway - thanks for considering it. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:05 PM To: Bryan D. Andrews Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Feature Request > I definitely think this is subjective and I think > the FAQ says it best... FAQ 6.6, I presume: Note that, as the FAQ says, it's not difficult to setup your own whitelist in pretty much any mail client, including Outlook. > Anyway, whether or not this feature would be used by > everyone, it would be a great addition. [...] > I am pretty active in the development community [...] This sounds like a perfect opportunity to scratch an itch to me <0.5 wink>. Seriously, if "active" is active as a developer, then we'd be happy to accept patches that implement whitelisting in the Outlook plug-in (to quiet the incessant requests for it, if nothing else). The FAQ has links to comments about the potential issues with implementation, if you are interested. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com Tue Apr 19 15:06:51 2005 From: Harold.Vandeventer at dpra.com (Harold Vandeventer) Date: Tue Apr 19 15:10:28 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request Message-ID: I'm confident the lack of white listing within SB is fine. The ability to spoof addresses makes the concept of white and black lists a waste of time. As an example, my own name is being used to send ME email. Three times every month I allegedly send myself email, from servers overseas, attempting to sell myself very cheap Microsoft software and watches. That mail is also going to some of my co-workers. If my co-workers were to white list my name, they would continue to receive the junk mail. If they blacklist me, they won't get any of our business mail. Only the SB approach of training on the total message content can address the problem of spoofing. Thanks to Tony and the others for putting together a GREAT solution. ____________________________________ Harold Vandeventer Network Administrator DPRA Incorporated 200 Research Dr Manhattan, KS 66503 Voice: (785) 539-3565 ext 1026 FAX: (785) 537-0272 -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Bryan D. Andrews Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 2:37 PM To: Skip Montanaro Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Feature Request Don't you agree that you should be able to whitelist everyone you are doing business though? Do you not think this would make a great addition? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:10 AM To: Bryan D. Andrews Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Feature Request Bryan> I literally get so much spam now that I cannot even *think* about Bryan> looking in the junk folder -- I just have to trust... the junk Bryan> suspects is getting this way as well... Hmmm... How large is your junk suspects folder that you can't at least skim it? Shifting gears a bit, I think it would be worthwhile for all organizations to at least look at greylisting as a way to reduce the amount of spam entering their networks. Take a look here: http://www.greylisting.org/ I happen to use postgrey with postfix as my weapon of choice. On March 25th I started using this setup. This graph shows the number of messages SpamBayes has had to classify since early last November: http://manatee.mojam.com/~skip/sb.png Note the huge drop in mail it classified as spam after March 25th. By my crude calculation I've seen a drop in spam reaching SpamBayes by a factor of four to five, about 1540 per day over the first 20 days of the graph's period and about 330 per day over the last 20 days. Note that these numbers are for the email received by one person, not an entire organization. Eliminating the high-scoring spam which is simply discarded (that scoring >= 0.80), I'm left with about 30 messages classified as spam per day that need to be scanned and about twice as many unsures. Those numbers may just be artifacts of the train-to-exhaustion regimen I use or misclassified mails in my training database. At any rate, they are small enough for me to skim quickly at various times during the day. Anecdotally, SpamBayes seems to be doing a better job classifying the mail I do receive (60 unsures per day notwithstanding). My theory is that eliminating entire classes of spam (mostly that sent by virus-commandeered Windows machines) probably reduces the variability in the spam that does get past postfix, so spam is easier to properly classify. I realize a postfix mail server is probably not in the cards for everyone. If you're a Microsoft customer I suggest you start leaning on them to add something similar to their SMTP server product. -- Skip Montanaro skip@pobox.com _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From fuf at mageo.cz Tue Apr 19 15:43:59 2005 From: fuf at mageo.cz (Michal Vitecek) Date: Tue Apr 19 15:44:02 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050419134359.GC19327@foof.i3.cz> Harold Vandeventer wrote: >I'm confident the lack of white listing within SB is fine. > >The ability to spoof addresses makes the concept of white and black >lists a waste of time. this is very arguable - at least. >As an example, my own name is being used to send ME email. Three times >every month I allegedly send myself email, from servers overseas, >attempting to sell myself very cheap Microsoft software and watches. >That mail is also going to some of my co-workers. > >If my co-workers were to white list my name, they would continue to >receive the junk mail. If they blacklist me, they won't get any of our >business mail. of course, everyone can use stupid rules like that and it's then their fault if the application does what you described. every solution has its pros and cons. >Only the SB approach of training on the total message content can >address the problem of spoofing. this is true. however have you tried to teach spambayes that some mails are ham with a largish ham/spam database? it's a nuisance as spambayes must be taught many (and i mean **MANY**) times until the token classifications change in favor of the messages. also this is imo leading to lower spam probability for certain tokens which is also questionable as for the result on overall spam/ham ratio. i don't think a staightforward implementation of whitelisting (i.e. if a whitelist token is found => message is ham) would do much good but if some heuristic were used it could give spambayes very important hint. and every additional bit of information is imo a good thing. thanks, -- fuf (fuf@mageo.cz) From bandrews at trendcore.com Tue Apr 19 15:58:46 2005 From: bandrews at trendcore.com (Bryan D. Andrews) Date: Tue Apr 19 15:58:29 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request Message-ID: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF562859432812BC@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> I am only a proponent for whitelisting and I am saying it should be configurable so users such as yourself who obviously don't need such a feature would not have to use it. While I respect your opinion - I have used spambayes for a couple of years now (at least I think) and I am too "am confident" that I lose messages and that this *could* be solved (at least in my situation and no doubt others) by some sort of white listing implementation. If whitelisting an email doesn't work for a particular address then remove them from the whitelist. Better yet if there was a whitelist that allows you to do some sort of weighted scoring based on a percentage that could make it even more effective. -----Original Message----- From: Harold Vandeventer [mailto:Harold.Vandeventer@dpra.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:07 AM To: Bryan D. Andrews; Skip Montanaro Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Feature Request I'm confident the lack of white listing within SB is fine. The ability to spoof addresses makes the concept of white and black lists a waste of time. As an example, my own name is being used to send ME email. Three times every month I allegedly send myself email, from servers overseas, attempting to sell myself very cheap Microsoft software and watches. That mail is also going to some of my co-workers. If my co-workers were to white list my name, they would continue to receive the junk mail. If they blacklist me, they won't get any of our business mail. Only the SB approach of training on the total message content can address the problem of spoofing. Thanks to Tony and the others for putting together a GREAT solution. ____________________________________ Harold Vandeventer Network Administrator DPRA Incorporated 200 Research Dr Manhattan, KS 66503 Voice: (785) 539-3565 ext 1026 FAX: (785) 537-0272 -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Bryan D. Andrews Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 2:37 PM To: Skip Montanaro Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Feature Request Don't you agree that you should be able to whitelist everyone you are doing business though? Do you not think this would make a great addition? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com] Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:10 AM To: Bryan D. Andrews Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Feature Request Bryan> I literally get so much spam now that I cannot even *think* about Bryan> looking in the junk folder -- I just have to trust... the junk Bryan> suspects is getting this way as well... Hmmm... How large is your junk suspects folder that you can't at least skim it? Shifting gears a bit, I think it would be worthwhile for all organizations to at least look at greylisting as a way to reduce the amount of spam entering their networks. Take a look here: http://www.greylisting.org/ I happen to use postgrey with postfix as my weapon of choice. On March 25th I started using this setup. This graph shows the number of messages SpamBayes has had to classify since early last November: http://manatee.mojam.com/~skip/sb.png Note the huge drop in mail it classified as spam after March 25th. By my crude calculation I've seen a drop in spam reaching SpamBayes by a factor of four to five, about 1540 per day over the first 20 days of the graph's period and about 330 per day over the last 20 days. Note that these numbers are for the email received by one person, not an entire organization. Eliminating the high-scoring spam which is simply discarded (that scoring >= 0.80), I'm left with about 30 messages classified as spam per day that need to be scanned and about twice as many unsures. Those numbers may just be artifacts of the train-to-exhaustion regimen I use or misclassified mails in my training database. At any rate, they are small enough for me to skim quickly at various times during the day. Anecdotally, SpamBayes seems to be doing a better job classifying the mail I do receive (60 unsures per day notwithstanding). My theory is that eliminating entire classes of spam (mostly that sent by virus-commandeered Windows machines) probably reduces the variability in the spam that does get past postfix, so spam is easier to properly classify. I realize a postfix mail server is probably not in the cards for everyone. If you're a Microsoft customer I suggest you start leaning on them to add something similar to their SMTP server product. -- Skip Montanaro skip@pobox.com _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From spambayes at donireland.com Tue Apr 19 16:01:39 2005 From: spambayes at donireland.com (Don Ireland) Date: Tue Apr 19 16:01:46 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request References: <20050419134359.GC19327@foof.i3.cz> Message-ID: <002701c544e8$50e89b50$2201010a@L1.Local> Come on people. The author has said that he doesn't see the point in it. Other users have backed him up. If you don't like the way the software works (or in your opinion, doesn't) then write your OWN software. But this bickering non-sense needs to stop. From fuf at mageo.cz Tue Apr 19 16:33:09 2005 From: fuf at mageo.cz (Michal Vitecek) Date: Tue Apr 19 16:33:11 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: <002701c544e8$50e89b50$2201010a@L1.Local> References: <20050419134359.GC19327@foof.i3.cz> <002701c544e8$50e89b50$2201010a@L1.Local> Message-ID: <20050419143309.GD19327@foof.i3.cz> Don Ireland wrote: >Come on people. The author has said that he doesn't see the point in it. >Other users have backed him up. If you don't like the way the software >works (or in your opinion, doesn't) then write your OWN software. > >But this bickering non-sense needs to stop. umm - i don't think it's a good idea to be *that* closed for opinions and even call them non-sense (quite rude of you, btw). i think i have given good examples where some kind of whitelisting would be very helpful and that it should not be implemented without thought. as for your mark regarding writing one's own software: you're certainly right, but if there's a way which is not that involving, why not try to take it? -- fuf (fuf@mageo.cz) From skip at pobox.com Tue Apr 19 18:37:15 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:37:26 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF562859432812BC@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> References: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF562859432812BC@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> Message-ID: <16997.13243.852234.223403@montanaro.dyndns.org> Bryan> Better yet if there was a whitelist that allows you to do some Bryan> sort of weighted scoring based on a percentage that could make it Bryan> even more effective. That's pretty much what SpamBayes does already. Who an email is from is one of the clues in a message, but it is just one of many clues, not a hammer used to bludgeon the classifier into submission. Your full name scored 0.16 for me on the message I'm replying to. In addition, your domain (trendcore.com) as well as information in various received headers also scored 0.16. There are thus several clues in your mail message telling me you're a good guy: from:addr:bandrews: 0.16; from:addr:trendcore.com: 0.16; from:name:bryan d. andrews: 0.16; message-id:@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com: 0.16; received:209.159: 0.16; received:209.159.56: 0.16; received:209.159.56.50: 0.16; received:tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com: 0.16; received:trendinfluence.com: 0.16; If someone was to send me spam and spoof your email address, it's likely most of those hammy clues would be missing (probably all but the first two above). Coming back to the whitelist issue, why is the filter capability in Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla Mail, procmail or other mail software not up to the task? Even Outlook Express, as feeble as it is, has filtering capability modestly better than a simple whitelist based on the From: field of a message. I happen to use procmail as my local delivery tool. I define five delivery recipes before SpamBayes gets a chance to look at a message. They are used to vector various types of messages off to specific mailboxes. You should be able to do the same in other mail software and probably do it more flexibly than anything we would implement for SpamBayes. In my case, three of the five recipes catch viruses and two deliver emails with specific subjects to appropriate mailboxes. None would be amenable to handling by a simple whitelist facility within SpamBayes. Skip From skip at pobox.com Tue Apr 19 18:38:47 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Apr 19 18:38:51 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: <20050419143309.GD19327@foof.i3.cz> References: <20050419134359.GC19327@foof.i3.cz> <002701c544e8$50e89b50$2201010a@L1.Local> <20050419143309.GD19327@foof.i3.cz> Message-ID: <16997.13335.499072.926465@montanaro.dyndns.org> Michal> as for your mark regarding writing one's own software: you're Michal> certainly right, but if there's a way which is not that Michal> involving, why not try to take it? Writing a whitelist facility for SpamBayes would be involving for someone. ;-) Skip From skip at pobox.com Tue Apr 19 19:04:24 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Apr 19 19:04:28 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: <20050419134359.GC19327@foof.i3.cz> References: <20050419134359.GC19327@foof.i3.cz> Message-ID: <16997.14872.953075.965372@montanaro.dyndns.org> Michal> this is true. however have you tried to teach spambayes that Michal> some mails are ham with a largish ham/spam database? it's a Michal> nuisance as spambayes must be taught many (and i mean **MANY**) Michal> times until the token classifications change in favor of the Michal> messages. So trim your database from time-to-time. There's no requirement that it grow without bound. I trim the oldest 10-20% of messages from both my ham and spam collections at least every couple of months. It has two nice properties: mistakes eventually fall off the end and the database doesn't grow without bound (with attendant performance implications). Skip From bandrews at trendcore.com Tue Apr 19 19:13:04 2005 From: bandrews at trendcore.com (Bryan D. Andrews) Date: Tue Apr 19 19:12:45 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request Message-ID: <0BB04EAAE2F68B45A355B7EF562859432812D1@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com> Far from bickering actually -- just trying to make a good case for it. The faq actually alludes to it not being totally out of the question if someone wishes to contribute it. God I love the flames... I think it's pretty interesting the responses that come from something like this. In a nutshell - I am making a suggestion to a product that we love. It is getting harder and harder to manage our business communications and I am expressing these issues. Skip - I will look into your suggestions. Maybe you can elaborate on how to effectively: -Allow all users I have sent an email to -Allow all users in my contacts folder -Allow all users I have classified as spam Again, I am NOT trying to start a religious war but I am trying to make a case for a configurable setting such as this. I would be willing to pay (or donate or whatever) for the development of this feature as well if anyone is interested (within reason of course). Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Don Ireland Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:02 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Feature Request Come on people. The author has said that he doesn't see the point in it. Other users have backed him up. If you don't like the way the software works (or in your opinion, doesn't) then write your OWN software. But this bickering non-sense needs to stop. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Tue Apr 19 22:59:00 2005 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Tue Apr 19 22:59:08 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request Message-ID: Skip, W/o diving into this interesting flame (:-) I would like to make one point regarding your own setup - Myself, and I assume most other users of SB do NOT have access to the step in mail food chain where procmail and similar tools can be installed & configured. We're stuck with the organizational policy of using an end-user mail client (like Outlook) so the only weapon that we have is a plug-in in Outlook (or the SB proxy for POP3). Just my $0.02 Euros. Amir -----Original Message----- From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 19:37 To: Bryan D. Andrews Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Feature Request Bryan> Better yet if there was a whitelist that allows you to do some Bryan> sort of weighted scoring based on a percentage that could make it Bryan> even more effective. That's pretty much what SpamBayes does already. Who an email is from is one of the clues in a message, but it is just one of many clues, not a hammer used to bludgeon the classifier into submission. Your full name scored 0.16 for me on the message I'm replying to. In addition, your domain (trendcore.com) as well as information in various received headers also scored 0.16. There are thus several clues in your mail message telling me you're a good guy: from:addr:bandrews: 0.16; from:addr:trendcore.com: 0.16; from:name:bryan d. andrews: 0.16; message-id:@tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com: 0.16; received:209.159: 0.16; received:209.159.56: 0.16; received:209.159.56.50: 0.16; received:tatl0s10.trendinfluence.com: 0.16; received:trendinfluence.com: 0.16; If someone was to send me spam and spoof your email address, it's likely most of those hammy clues would be missing (probably all but the first two above). Coming back to the whitelist issue, why is the filter capability in Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla Mail, procmail or other mail software not up to the task? Even Outlook Express, as feeble as it is, has filtering capability modestly better than a simple whitelist based on the From: field of a message. I happen to use procmail as my local delivery tool. I define five delivery recipes before SpamBayes gets a chance to look at a message. They are used to vector various types of messages off to specific mailboxes. You should be able to do the same in other mail software and probably do it more flexibly than anything we would implement for SpamBayes. In my case, three of the five recipes catch viruses and two deliver emails with specific subjects to appropriate mailboxes. None would be amenable to handling by a simple whitelist facility within SpamBayes. Skip _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From eric.silver at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 20 00:34:53 2005 From: eric.silver at sbcglobal.net (Eric A. Silver) Date: Wed Apr 20 00:34:58 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Outlook Express Message-ID: <20050419223455.CEEAD1E4005@bag.python.org> I'm using Outlook express 6 for Windows XP. I've downloaded spambayes, but it gives me a host of selection options that I can't seem to figure out. Is there some simple way (for a person with two doctorates) to install and use Spambayes with Outlook Express without a great deal of computer jargon that makes absolutely no sense to me? Thanks for any help you can offer. Eric A. Silver -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050419/ba9827f0/attachment.htm From starpilot at sol3.net Wed Apr 20 00:54:18 2005 From: starpilot at sol3.net (Keith Barrows [StarPilot]) Date: Wed Apr 20 00:54:36 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <20050419223455.CEEAD1E4005@bag.python.org> References: <20050419223455.CEEAD1E4005@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <42658C1A.6090907@sol3.net> How about for Thunderbird as well? Keith Eric A. Silver wrote: > I'm using Outlook express 6 for Windows XP. > > I've downloaded spambayes, but it gives me a host of selection options > that I can't seem to figure out. > > Is there some simple way (for a person with two doctorates) to install > and use Spambayes with Outlook Express without a great deal of > computer jargon that makes absolutely no sense to me? > > > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > > > Eric A. Silver > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Spambayes@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > From marc.erickson at shaw.ca Wed Apr 20 01:25:01 2005 From: marc.erickson at shaw.ca (Marc Erickson) Date: Wed Apr 20 01:24:29 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <42658C1A.6090907@sol3.net> Message-ID: Doesn't Thunderbird already have Bayesian spam control? Marc -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Keith Barrows [StarPilot] Sent: April 19, 2005 4:54 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Thunderbird How about for Thunderbird as well? Keith Eric A. Silver wrote: > I'm using Outlook express 6 for Windows XP. > > I've downloaded spambayes, but it gives me a host of selection options > that I can't seem to figure out. > > Is there some simple way (for a person with two doctorates) to install > and use Spambayes with Outlook Express without a great deal of > computer jargon that makes absolutely no sense to me? > > > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > > > Eric A. Silver > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Spambayes@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 20 02:39:30 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 20 02:40:10 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Michal Vitecek] > i think you trust spambayes way too much. Some people, like Tim, Alex, Skip (and I guess me by now) are pretty justified in trusting SpamBayes because we have run very extensive tests, with our own mail, that demonstrate that SpamBayes will work as expected (for our mail, in the way we use it). > i also think pre-filtering mail before spambayes is quite strange > - what's the use of a filtering application if it needs such > workarounds? A lot of people are quite in favour of the multiple filter approach. Different filtering techniques have different strengths, and so if you combine them in appropriate ways, you'll hopefully get an end system that's better than any of the individuals (much as Skip described his results). > 1) it's tiresome to train spambayes several weeks that certain mails > with a pattern (== automatically generated) are indeed ham when one has > a largish spam/ham database. I think just about all the SpamBayes developers recommend a small database these days. Testing has shown (although this isn't as extensive as some of the other testing) that results are better. Have you read the wiki page about training? > 2) some mails from certain addresses must not be missed (or put in > spam folder where they receive much lesser attention), now if you > combine it with sb_server.py on a firm's pop3 server SpamBayes is really designed as an individual (probably client-side) filter. I know various people use it for multiple users (server-side etc), but there are many issues with that. There are other things (e.g. the database and concurrency) that would be higher up in priority than whitelisting, though. > you see > whitelisting would help immensely because there are no easier ways > how to do it (filter a mail to a mailbox before spambayes) - it's > certainly more difficult than adding whitelisting to spambayes. So do the whitelisting in the client - since SpamBayes just tags mail (i.e. everything is still delivered), you can do whitelisting with the client's rule system before you activate the rules based on the SpamBayes tags. > 3) it's a feature some might not use but which would be listed when > comparing with different filtering application. i've read some reviews > on spambayes on the internet and this missing feature was adding > unnecessary cons to spambayes. If people really want whitelisting, then their mailer can do it, or they can buy (e.g.) InBoxer. All the developers have their own reasons for working on SpamBayes, but I doubt getting good magazine reviews comes into play for many. > 1) it can't be that difficult to implement Read Mark's comments about implementing whitelisting. That's just for the Outlook plug-in (probably the biggest group of SpamBayes users), which is probably the easiest in some ways (because there's access to an address book of some type). It quite clearly outlines the problems, which make difficult to implement. > 2) it's up to the users to decide what tokens (even compound ones) they > consider so important that they take over the whole classification. The thing is that it's up to the developers (in a case of volunteer work, like SpamBayes) to decide what they want to spend their time implementing. There have been a few things that have been done as a result of user requests, but the bulk is done because one (or more) of the developers wants it done themselves. Again, if someone submitted a good patch that implemented whitelisting, then I'm sure that one of the developers would review it and integrate it. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 20 02:42:29 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 20 02:42:37 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I just think it would really help moving forward as > the velocity of spam starts to make you say to yourself > - "why hasn't he emailed me... did I miss his email in > my junk folder?". This occurs quite a lot these days for me > and I was thinking that this could be a solution that > really boosts the integrity of the application. You really shouldn't be getting any mail that looks like regular mail (which presumably anything whitelisted would be) classed as spam. If you are, then there's probably some sort of training problem. You might get something in the unsure class, but you should review those messages anyway. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 20 02:51:37 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 20 02:51:52 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Skip - I will look into your suggestions. Maybe you > can elaborate on how to effectively: > > -Allow all users I have sent an email to AFAIK the only way to do this in most clients would be to have them automatically add anyone that you send mail to an address book of some type, and then filter based on that. Note that this would be difficult for SpamBayes, too, and unlikely to be added, since SpamBayes doesn't do anything with sent mail (apart from the few SMTP proxy users). > -Allow all users in my contacts folder If you're using Outlook (your headers make it look like you are) then this is the rule "where sender is in specified address book". > -Allow all users I have classified as spam I presume you mean *trained* as *ham*? (Otherwise this makes very little sense). You could do this with one extra step, by adding the sender of any messages you train (with just false positives and unsures, this should be a small number) to an address book, and using the same rule. Outlook has a context-menu item that offers to add the sender to an address book. As Skip (and the FAQ) pointed out, SpamBayes essentially does this, but in a more clever way, anyway. > I would be willing to pay (or donate or whatever) for the > development of this feature as well if anyone is interested > (within reason of course). So why not just use something like InBoxer, instead? SpamBayes engine, plus whitelisting, support, etc. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 20 02:54:16 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 20 02:58:16 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > W/o diving into this interesting flame (:-) I would > like to make one point regarding your own setup - Myself, > and I assume most other users of SB do NOT have access > to the step in mail food chain where procmail and similar > tools can be installed & configured. We're stuck with the > organizational policy of using an end-user mail client > (like Outlook) so the only weapon that we have is a > plug-in in Outlook (or the SB proxy for POP3). You can do whitelisting in Outlook, though - just use the "sender is in specified address book" rule. I'm sure you could do it in Outlook Express, too, although it's probably a lot more work. Skip (like other procmail users) has more flexibility - especially with training - but whitelisting, as he said, is well within the capabilities of the rule system of pretty much any mail client. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 20 03:02:40 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 20 03:02:53 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Information on Spambayes please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I read the reviews at SnapFiles and wanted to try your > program but I'm unsure of what it is I'm supposed to be > installing as when I unzipped the folder I didn't see a > program there just a lot of folders. Also I have no idea > what 'Python' is. Don't download the source archive, and you don't need to worry about that. Just download the Windows installer and it's much simpler to do. > I'm using XP and Outlook Express After you have run the installer, it will show you a document that explains how to proceed. Basically you need to: 1. Right-click on the little envelope icon that appears in the tray (collection of icons by the clock) and choose "Configure...". 2. In the top box, enter the address of your mail server (e.g. "pop.example.com"). 3. In the second box, put "110". 4. About halfway down the page, tick the "unsure" and "spam" boxes in the "Notate To" option. 5. Click "Save" at the end of the page. 6. In Outlook Express, go to Accounts from the Tools menu. 7. Select the mail account (clicking the Mail tab might help find it). 8. Click Properties. 9. Click the Servers tab. 10. In the "incoming" box, write "localhost" (without the quotes). 11. Click Ok & close your way back out again, and you're done. Now incoming mail will have "unsure," or "spam," in the recipient list (if SpamBayes thinks it's unsure or spam). You can setup rules to move those to other folders, colour them, or whatever. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 20 03:03:57 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 20 03:04:15 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Outlook Express In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm using Outlook express 6 for Windows XP. > I've downloaded spambayes, but it gives me a host of > selection options that I can't seem to figure out. > Is there some simple way (for a person with two doctorates) > to install and use Spambayes with Outlook Express > without a great deal of computer jargon that makes > absolutely no sense to me? If there's something you don't understand, it would greatly help us help others if you could be specific about what doesn't make sense, and help us rephrase it. After you have run the installer, it will show you a document that explains how to proceed. Basically you need to: 1. Right-click on the little envelope icon that appears in the tray (collection of icons by the clock) and choose "Configure...". 2. In the top box, enter the address of your mail server (e.g. "pop.example.com"). 3. In the second box, put "110". 4. About halfway down the page, tick the "unsure" and "spam" boxes in the "Notate To" option. 5. Click "Save" at the end of the page. 6. In Outlook Express, go to Accounts from the Tools menu. 7. Select the mail account (clicking the Mail tab might help find it). 8. Click Properties. 9. Click the Servers tab. 10. In the "incoming" box, write "localhost" (without the quotes). 11. Click Ok & close your way back out again, and you're done. Now incoming mail will have "unsure," or "spam," in the recipient list (if SpamBayes thinks it's unsure or spam). You can setup rules to move those to other folders, colour them, or whatever. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 20 03:06:09 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 20 03:06:17 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Thunderbird In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > How about for Thunderbird as well? After you have run the installer, it will show you a document that explains how to proceed. Basically you need to: 1. Right-click on the little envelope icon that appears in the tray (collection of icons by the clock) and choose "Configure...". 2. In the top box, enter the address of your mail server (e.g. "pop.example.com"). 3. In the second box, put "110". 4. About halfway down the page, tick the "unsure" and "spam" boxes in the "Notate To" option. 5. Click "Save" at the end of the page. 6. In Thunderbird, change the mail account to connect to "localhost". 7. In Thunderbird, setup rules to search for the "X-Spambayes-Classification" header, and act appropriately based on the value ("ham", "unsure", or "spam"). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 20 05:29:54 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 20 05:30:09 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Outlook Express In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I did it exactly as you stated below, and the result is still > the same. > everything comes into the inbox. There is no action at all that > spambayes does. SpamBayes only *marks* email. It's up to your mail client (Outlook Express) to do anything else that you want to do. > What's my next step? 1. Create two new folders in Outlook Express, one called "Possible Junk" and one called "Junk Mail". 2. Do Tools->Message Rules->Mail. 3. Click "New" to create a new rule (I think that if there are no existing rules it will do this for you). 4. Click "Where the To line contains people" in the top box, and "Move it to the specified folder" in the second box. 5. Click the blue "contains people" in the third box and type "unsure" (no quotes), then click "Add", then click "Ok". 6. Click the blue "specified folder" in the third box and find and select the "Possible Junk" folder that you made in step 1, then click "Ok". 7. In the fourth box, name the rule "SpamBayes unsure" 8. Repeat steps 3 through 8, but type "spam" rather than "unsure", choose the "Junk Mail" folder, and name the rule "SpamBayes spam" 9. Click Ok. Assuming that you haven't done any training, then all mail should now be classified as "unsure", and moved to the "Possible Junk" folder. Once you have done some training, mail will be split between your Inbox, the Possible Junk folder, and the Junk Mail folder, depending on how it was classified. You do training by double-clicking the envelope icon and filling out the review page that opens. Note that there is a flaw in this method: if you get mail from someone who has "unsure" or "spam" in their email address, those messages will also be moved. (The problem comes about because Outlook Express is so limited in the filtering it can do). There is a way to workaround this, so let us know if it's a problem. When the final 1.1 release is made, it will avoid this problem (instead of just "unsure", it adds "unsure@spambayes.invalid"). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From pbhakat at sancharnet.in Wed Apr 20 08:32:02 2005 From: pbhakat at sancharnet.in (pbhakat@sancharnet.in) Date: Wed Apr 20 09:34:43 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] New version? Message-ID: <000b01c54572$bf3902e0$8ea3023d@g5w8c7> Inform if there is any new version of Spambays. Prasenjit Bhakat ,Charter Secretary, Rotary Club of Jhargram Green, P.H.Road, PO--Jhargram--721507, W.B. India. Fax+Ph:00-91-3221-256084 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050420/6aed465e/attachment.htm From nikolaev at it.merlion.ru Wed Apr 20 10:55:37 2005 From: nikolaev at it.merlion.ru (=?koi8-r?B?7snLz8zBxdcg4c7E0sXK?=) Date: Wed Apr 20 10:59:42 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] I need russian language Message-ID: Hello! I may translate to russian. How do it? PS Outlook plugin. thanx, Andrew. From ngraham at nicolandandrew.com Wed Apr 20 14:22:39 2005 From: ngraham at nicolandandrew.com (Neil Graham) Date: Wed Apr 20 14:25:37 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes and Mailtraq Message-ID: <003d01c545a3$a53f44e0$0400005a@orbital.com> Can anyone tell me how to set up spambayes with Mailtraq? I have installed spambayes as an sb_server tray application to access our pop 3 accounts. I have told the mailtraq pop3 mailboxes to look at localhost instead of the pop 3 servers. Mail is not collected? any ideas. -- Best Regards Neil Graham From pcm at cisco.com Wed Apr 20 15:29:04 2005 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Wed Apr 20 15:29:12 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambayes IMAP and Microsoft Exchange... Message-ID: <42665920.3000305@cisco.com> Hi all, I've been using SB for a while with a Mirapoint IMAP server and it works just fine. I made minor tweaks to the sb_imapfilter.py script to have a "Ham" folder in addition to the "Spam" and "Unsure" folders, to only train if login is successful, and to keep trying to log in at the defined interval, when a login fails (in case there are transient issues with accessing the server). However, I'm trying to switch to Microsoft Exchange server using IMAP and I'm having problems. I changed the ini file to point to the new server name, I have the folders set up on the server, but, when I run imapfilter.py, I see the following message (after the password is obtained): >sb_imapfilter2.py -v -c -t -l 1 -p hammie.db -P SpamBayes IMAP Filter Version 0.4 (May 2004) and engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004). Loading state from hammie.db pickle hammie.db is an existing pickle, with 440 ham and 3617 spam Loading database hammie.db... Done. Password: Training Invalid response to select Inbox.Bayesian.MarkAsHam: ('NO', ['The requested item could not be found.']) I'm running this on a Sun box. I did add a Bayesian folder and a MarkAsHam folder in the Bayesian folder on the mail server. Any suggestions? -- PCM WORKING @ HOME (Paul Michali) Note: This message is digitally signed using a Thawte personal certificate. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe it is Bayesian based but I don't know for sure... ________________________________ Keith Barrows ASPInsider: http://www.aspinsiders.com/ Weblogs: http://sol3.net/blogs/starpilot/ | http://sol3.net/blogs/keithb/ Help: http://www.asp.net/forums/ | http://devadvice.com/ -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Marc Erickson Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:25 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Thunderbird Doesn't Thunderbird already have Bayesian spam control? Marc -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Keith Barrows [StarPilot] Sent: April 19, 2005 4:54 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Thunderbird How about for Thunderbird as well? Keith Eric A. Silver wrote: > I'm using Outlook express 6 for Windows XP. > > I've downloaded spambayes, but it gives me a host of selection options > that I can't seem to figure out. > > Is there some simple way (for a person with two doctorates) to install > and use Spambayes with Outlook Express without a great deal of > computer jargon that makes absolutely no sense to me? > > > > Thanks for any help you can offer. > > > > Eric A. Silver > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Spambayes@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From chaseeng at optusnet.com.au Wed Apr 20 15:38:00 2005 From: chaseeng at optusnet.com.au (Brian Palmer) Date: Wed Apr 20 18:17:04 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Disconnect - Delete - Remove me......Pleeeease Message-ID: <002601c545ae$2c055460$c5751fd3@e3g8q3> Gentlemen, Please don't let me see any more messages from Spambayes - I QUIT Brian Chase Engineering Pty Ltd PO Box 108 St Ives NSW 2075 Tel : (02) 9439 8299 Fax : (02) 9449 9225 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050420/14ab13a6/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Wed Apr 20 19:42:17 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Apr 20 19:42:43 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16998.38009.828437.313867@montanaro.dyndns.org> Amir> W/o diving into this interesting flame (:-) I would like to make Amir> one point regarding your own setup - Myself, and I assume most Amir> other users of SB do NOT have access to the step in mail food Amir> chain where procmail and similar tools can be installed & Amir> configured. We're stuck with the organizational policy of using an Amir> end-user mail client (like Outlook) so the only weapon that we Amir> have is a plug-in in Outlook (or the SB proxy for POP3). I understand what you're saying, but could only speak from my own experience with procmail. I believe Outlook has a pretty full-featured filter capability that allows you to route mail to mailboxes based on more-or-less arbitrary header field contents. I think most of my special procmail recipes could be translated to Outlook filter rules without major aggravation. I suspect any mail program that pretends to compete with Outlook (Eudora, Mozilla Mail, Apple's Mail.app, etc) has to support something similar. Can someone out there tell me conclusively that Outlook or any Outlook wannabe (*) can't do something like "route all mail from guido@python.org to my guido mailbox"? Skip (*) Outlook Express does not count as an Outlook wannabe. From richard.c.friedman at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 19:54:30 2005 From: richard.c.friedman at gmail.com (Rick Friedman) Date: Wed Apr 20 19:54:34 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Thunderbird In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42669756.9060507@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Keith Barrows [StarPilot] wrote: > Not that I see so far. It appears to use a junk filter though. Maybe it is > Bayesian based but I don't know for sure... > ________________________________ > Keith Barrows > ASPInsider: http://www.aspinsiders.com/ > Weblogs: http://sol3.net/blogs/starpilot/ | http://sol3.net/blogs/keithb/ > > Help: http://www.asp.net/forums/ | http://devadvice.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On > Behalf Of Marc Erickson > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:25 PM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Thunderbird > > Doesn't Thunderbird already have Bayesian spam control? Thunderbird's junk filter is indeed Bayesian. As a matter of fact, the chief Thunderbird developer, Scott MacGregor once posted the following on the forums at Mozillazine.org: "We model / emulate ourselves after spambayes. We both use the same core algorithm. They have a lot more tokenizer rules than we do." Rick - -- "My wife's jealousy is getting ridiculous. The other day she looked at my calendar and wanted to know who May was." - Rodney Dangerfield -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCZpcRqBIwUybif4YRAkapAJ0fi/cGqhKKNcHXjevpxlVd5LXyjgCfUZ3B 1T9WKW7Qs6DgDPwPQSdjr/Q= =25KT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From skip at pobox.com Wed Apr 20 19:55:55 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Apr 20 19:56:02 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16998.38827.330224.659609@montanaro.dyndns.org> >>>>> "Tony" == Tony Meyer writes: Tony> A lot of people are quite in favour of the multiple filter Tony> approach. Different filtering techniques have different Tony> strengths, and so if you combine them in appropriate ways, you'll Tony> hopefully get an end system that's better than any of the Tony> individuals (much as Skip described his results). ... Tony> SpamBayes is really designed as an individual (probably Tony> client-side) filter. I know various people use it for multiple Tony> users (server-side etc), but there are many issues with that. Tony> There are other things (e.g. the database and concurrency) that Tony> would be higher up in priority than whitelisting, though. A recent thread on postfix-users may be of interest to some people here: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.mail.postfix.user/114423 There's a lot of information that MTA's like postfix have available to them which makes no sense to add to tools like SpamBayes. If you can knock of 80% of the spam without resorting to expensive tools like SB, why not do it? Tony> If people really want whitelisting, then their mailer can do it, Tony> or they can buy (e.g.) InBoxer. All the developers have their own Tony> reasons for working on SpamBayes, but I doubt getting good Tony> magazine reviews comes into play for many. I seem to recall the original InBoxer guy (Sean True?) saying they implemented whitelisting not because it actually improved the tool but because so many users had requested it. Skip From Curtiss at donorsforum.org Wed Apr 20 19:57:20 2005 From: Curtiss at donorsforum.org (Curtiss Crossley) Date: Wed Apr 20 19:56:50 2005 Subject: ham,RE: [Spambayes] RE: Huge Log File - Over 13GB in Size Message-ID: Please remove me from this list. Thank you -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Tony Meyer Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 7:25 PM To: 'Mike Blonder'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: ham,RE: [Spambayes] RE: Huge Log File - Over 13GB in Size > Also, I am running SuSE Linux 9.1. I originally opened the > compressed application files in a subdiretory of /tmp. For > some reason (could be my mistake) the make install routine > built the proxy directories into the root directory of the > machine, which is precisely where I do not want them to be. By make install I presume you mean setup.py install. By default this will copy files into the Scripts and Lib/site-packages directories of your Python installation. You can put them elsewhere by passing appropriate commands to distutils (setup.py install help), or you can leave them wherever you want (setup.py isn't doing any compiling or anything like that, just copying files) and ensure that PYTHONPATH includes the directory containing the spambayes package directory (the one with classifier.py in it). > When I try moving the directories the application won't work. Exact error messages help! > Also, I have an external box with a quarter terabyte disk. > Can I move the proxy directories over to that disk? You can move any of the directories anywhere you like. All paths can be altered via either the main Configuration page or the Advanced Configuration page. If a path is not fully specified (doesn't start with /) then it will be relative to the last configuration file loaded: for example, if a path was "spambayes/ham-cache" and the last config file was in ~, then the path would get expanded by SpamBayes to "~/spambayes/ham-cache", but if the path was "/tmp/ham-cache", then it would be left alone. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From jsp at PKC.com Wed Apr 20 20:31:05 2005 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed Apr 20 20:31:08 2005 Subject: ham,RE: [Spambayes] RE: Huge Log File - Over 13GB in Size Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15435@PKCVT01.pkc.com> You must unsubscribe yourself. The mailman link at the end of this message will take you to a page where you can do so. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Curtiss Crossley > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:57 PM > To: Tony Meyer; Mike Blonder; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: ham,RE: [Spambayes] RE: Huge Log File - Over 13GB in Size > > Please remove me from this list. > Thank you > > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] > On Behalf Of Tony Meyer > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 7:25 PM > To: 'Mike Blonder'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: ham,RE: [Spambayes] RE: Huge Log File - Over 13GB in Size > > > Also, I am running SuSE Linux 9.1. I originally opened the > > compressed application files in a subdiretory of /tmp. For > > some reason (could be my mistake) the make install routine > > built the proxy directories into the root directory of the > > machine, which is precisely where I do not want them to be. > > By make install I presume you mean setup.py install. By default this > will > copy files into the Scripts and Lib/site-packages directories of your > Python > installation. You can put them elsewhere by passing appropriate > commands to > distutils (setup.py install help), or you can leave them wherever you > want > (setup.py isn't doing any compiling or anything like that, > just copying > files) and ensure that PYTHONPATH includes the directory > containing the > spambayes package directory (the one with classifier.py in it). > > > When I try moving the directories the application won't work. > > Exact error messages help! > > > Also, I have an external box with a quarter terabyte disk. > > Can I move the proxy directories over to that disk? > > You can move any of the directories anywhere you like. All > paths can be > altered via either the main Configuration page or the Advanced > Configuration > page. If a path is not fully specified (doesn't start with /) then it > will > be relative to the last configuration file loaded: for example, if a > path > was "spambayes/ham-cache" and the last config file was in ~, then the > path > would get expanded by SpamBayes to "~/spambayes/ham-cache", but if the > path > was "/tmp/ham-cache", then it would be left alone. > > =Tony.Meyer > > -- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. > http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > From jsp at PKC.com Wed Apr 20 20:53:32 2005 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed Apr 20 20:53:34 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15436@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Outlook rules and Thunderbird filters allow you to move messages to a folder based on sender. (In my version of Outlook, "Move messages from someone to a folder" is the first of several rule templates listed in the wizard that comes up when I start to create a new rule.) They can do a great deal more besides. Both also allow you to move messages from any sender in an address book to a folder, which seems like a simple and useful form of whitelisting. (Thunderbird also allows you to send messages from senders not in your address book to a folder, but I couldn't find a way to do this with Outlook.) Note that this information is based on quick experimentation with each program. Since SpamBayes does a great job of classifying my mail, I've never taken the trouble to set up any rules or filters. I can't speak for any other mail clients, but I imagine that you're correct in believing that they must have similar capabilities to be competitive. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Skip Montanaro > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:42 PM > To: Katz, Amir > Cc: spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Feature Request > > > Amir> W/o diving into this interesting flame (:-) I would > like to make > Amir> one point regarding your own setup - Myself, and I > assume most > Amir> other users of SB do NOT have access to the step in > mail food > Amir> chain where procmail and similar tools can be installed & > Amir> configured. We're stuck with the organizational > policy of using an > Amir> end-user mail client (like Outlook) so the only > weapon that we > Amir> have is a plug-in in Outlook (or the SB proxy for POP3). > > I understand what you're saying, but could only speak from my > own experience > with procmail. I believe Outlook has a pretty full-featured filter > capability that allows you to route mail to mailboxes based > on more-or-less > arbitrary header field contents. I think most of my special procmail > recipes could be translated to Outlook filter rules without major > aggravation. I suspect any mail program that pretends to compete with > Outlook (Eudora, Mozilla Mail, Apple's Mail.app, etc) has to support > something similar. > > Can someone out there tell me conclusively that Outlook or any Outlook > wannabe (*) can't do something like "route all mail from > guido@python.org to > my guido mailbox"? > > Skip > > (*) Outlook Express does not count as an Outlook wannabe. > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > From ronil.tataria at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 22:34:44 2005 From: ronil.tataria at gmail.com (Ronil Tataria) Date: Wed Apr 20 22:34:48 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] regarding documentation Message-ID: I am testing out your software for a university. Your web site looks confusing. If you need someone to review any documentation, I will donate my time. Let me know. -- Ronil Tataria --- M2M in alpha testing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050420/f06a00d1/attachment.html From kenny.pitt at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 23:09:09 2005 From: kenny.pitt at gmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Apr 20 23:09:18 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] New version? In-Reply-To: <000b01c54572$bf3902e0$8ea3023d@g5w8c7> Message-ID: <4266c4f6.51de355b.42b5.3906@mx.gmail.com> pbhakat@sancharnet.in wrote: > Inform if there is any new version of Spambays. New since what version? The latest stable release is 1.0.4, and the latest test release is 1.1a1. The test version is alpha level, which means that it contains new features but has not been thoroughly tested so bugs are expected. If you are already running the Outlook plugin, the "Check for new version" command on the SpamBayes menu will tell you if there is a newer stable release. There is a similar feature on the tray icon menu for the sb_server app on Windows. For other operating systems or if you aren't currently running SpamBayes, check the SpamBayes home page at www.spambayes.org. The "News" section at the top always lists the latest available versions. -- Kenny Pitt From drfemchem at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 23:20:21 2005 From: drfemchem at yahoo.com (Stephanie Marin) Date: Wed Apr 20 23:20:23 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes tool bars - did everything in troubleshooting guide and still don't work! Message-ID: <20050420212021.56985.qmail@web60311.mail.yahoo.com> I installed spambayes, and it was working fine for a few weeks, then the toolbars stopped working. The program does continue to filter spam. I went through all of the suggestions in your toubleshooing guide. I also unistalled and reinstalled the program, but the toolbars still don't work, although the program does seem to be filtering some spam. I am using Outlook 2000 SP-3 with Windows XP 5.1 with service pack 2. I do want to delete some things as spam, and also recover other things that are not spam, but can't do it using the toolbars. Please help! Regards, Stephanie Stephanie J. Marin 1927 Gunther Dr. Salt Lake City, UT 84121 (801)942-6603 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050420/9ef6b308/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 21 03:25:17 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 21 03:26:19 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] New version? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Inform if there is any new version of Spambays. If you are using the Outlook plug-in or the Windows tray application for sb_server, you can do this by choosing "Check for new version" from the Spambayes menu. If you want to be informed when there are new releases, you can subscribe to the spambayes-announce mailing list: Otherwise, if you want to check periodically, you can just look at the website: The latest stable version of SpamBayes is 1.0.4, and the latest experimental release is 1.1a1. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 21 03:44:41 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 21 03:44:53 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] regarding documentation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Your web site looks confusing. If you need someone to > review any documentation, I will donate my time. Let me > know. If you want to review any of the documentation or the website and make any suggestions, they will happily be received. You can post suggestions here, or via sourceforge () - ideally, patches rather than just pointing out bits that you think should change. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 21 03:52:36 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 21 03:54:02 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] I need russian language In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I may translate to russian. How do it? Download the source archive and read the instructions about how to do a translation towards the end of the README-DEVEL.txt file. If anything isn't clear in there, or you need more help, please ask, either here, or on spambayes-dev@python.org. Thanks for the offer! =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 21 03:55:18 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 21 03:55:46 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes tool bars - did everything in troubleshootingguide and still don't work! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I installed spambayes, and it was working fine for a few weeks, > then the toolbars stopped working. Please try the "Delete as spam" or "Recover from spam" buttons again (to generate the log entries), and then send us a copy of your most recent log file (the troubleshooting guide explains where to find it). The log will have the information we need to figure out what is wrong. If the log has error messages that include "RUNRECOVERY", then that means that the database is corrupt and must be recreated. See FAQ 5.2: =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From harrysigerson at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 21 00:01:04 2005 From: harrysigerson at ntlworld.com (Harry Sigerson) Date: Thu Apr 21 05:50:03 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Unsubscribe Message-ID: Dear SpamBayes, I am sure that I am using my correct password. But since it does not work, the most likely thing is that I am wrong that I've used a different password. So I've clicked repeatedly not Remind and even of Unsubscribe all to no avail. I don't get reminded of the password which I may have wrong. Then I started to think that maybe I'd never subscribed in the first place? But if that was the case I'd not be getting all the SpamBayes list messages from all the correspondents to the forum. So I must have a password. Then again could it be that I had a password that worked when I started getting the list messages; made this computer remember that password (something I don't usually do) and the somehow the password got lost. If I am still recognised, and so do have a password perhaps it could be sent to me in an email as a result of this email. Clicking the Remind button does not do the business. thanks, Harry Sigerson. From tim.peters at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 06:07:51 2005 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Apr 21 06:07:54 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f7befae050420210727c28655@mail.gmail.com> [Harry Sigerson] > Dear SpamBayes, > I am sure that I am using my correct password. > But since it does not work, the most likely thing is that I am wrong > that I've used a different password. > So I've clicked repeatedly not Remind and even of Unsubscribe all to > no avail. > I don't get reminded of the password which I may have wrong. > > Then I started to think that maybe I'd never subscribed in the first > place? > But if that was the case I'd not be getting all the SpamBayes list > messages from all the correspondents to the forum. So I must have a > password. > Then again could it be that I had a password that worked when I > started getting the list messages; made this computer remember that > password (something I don't usually do) and the somehow the password got > lost. > > If I am still recognised, and so do have a password perhaps it could > be sent to me in an email as a result of this email. Clicking the Remind > button does not do the business. There is a harrysigerson@ntlworld.com subscribed to this mailing list. I have no way to know whether that's really you, though, so normally refuse to unsubscribe people I don't know. But in this case, I'm tired and just did it . You're no longer subscribed to this list. It's quite possible that your ISP (etc) deleted the password reminders Mailman sent you, thinking they were spam. That's happened before. It's not possible for me to find out the password of any list subscriber (other than myself), so I could not mail it to you. I'm not entirely clear on whether you wanted to be unsubscribed, or just wanted to know your password. If you actually wanted to be subscribed after all, just go back to http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes and subscribe again. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 21 08:48:50 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 21 08:49:07 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes and Mailtraq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Can anyone tell me how to set up spambayes with Mailtraq? Looking at the website, it looks like Mailtraq is a mail server, rather than client. Is this right? Or can it be used as a client as well? > I have installed spambayes as an sb_server tray application > to access our pop 3 accounts. > > I have told the mailtraq pop3 mailboxes to look at localhost > instead of the pop 3 servers. > > Mail is not collected? This does sound like a client. Do you get any error messages? (Either from Mailtraq or from SpamBayes). If you look at the main page of the web interface, how many sessions does it say have occurred? If you check for mail in Mailtraq does this number increase? You could try telnetting to localhost:110 (or whatever port(s) you are using) and see if you can connect or not. If you can, then the problem is between Mailtraq and SpamBayes. If you can't, then the problem is between SpamBayes and the mail server. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 21 08:54:57 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 21 08:55:03 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambayes IMAP and Microsoft Exchange... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I've been using SB for a while with a Mirapoint IMAP server > and it works just fine. I made minor tweaks to the sb_imapfilter.py > script to have a "Ham" folder in addition to the "Spam" and "Unsure" > folders, Your patch for this is in 1.1a1, BTW. > to only train if login is successful, and to keep trying to log in at the > defined interval, when a login fails (in case there are > transient issues with accessing the server). I believe 1.1a1 ought to do this as well. > However, I'm trying to switch to Microsoft Exchange server using IMAP > and I'm having problems. I changed the ini file to point to the new > server name, I have the folders set up on the server, but, when I run > imapfilter.py, I see the following message (after the > password is obtained): [...] > Invalid response to select Inbox.Bayesian.MarkAsHam: > ('NO', ['The requested item could not be found.']) It sounds like you left the folder names in the ini file the same and just created matching folders on the new server - is that right? If so, the problem might be that the Exchange server uses a different delimiter than the '.' that it appears the Mirapoint server uses. If you open up the web interface and look at the folder list (for training or filtering), do the folder names appear like "Inbox.Bayesian.MarkAsHam"? They might be something like "Inbox/Bayesian/MarkAsHam", instead, which would be an easy fix. =Tony.Meyer From jpiw at go2.pl Thu Apr 21 09:20:47 2005 From: jpiw at go2.pl (Janusz Piwowarski) Date: Thu Apr 21 09:20:18 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Search problem again Message-ID: <00c101c54642$a3e99fb0$110412ac@januszpXP> Hello, I again have problem with searching messages. After try to use 1.1a1 version, i've uninstalled this version, deleted spambayes database and cache, and installed 1.04 version. And now, after few days of work, i am sometimes able to find messages by spambayes-id and sometimes not able. And, when i try to use "message headers" search option and enter spambayes-id in search field, i get error message: Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 470, in found_terminator File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 477, in onReview File "spambayes\FileCorpus.pyc", line 221, in load File "gzip.pyc", line 49, in open File "gzip.pyc", line 94, in __init__ IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'C:\\...blah...\\Proxy\\pop3proxy-ham-cache\\1113460468' File really doesn't exists. My system is XP with SP2. Regards, Janusz From ngraham at nicolandandrew.com Thu Apr 21 11:43:45 2005 From: ngraham at nicolandandrew.com (Neil Graham) Date: Thu Apr 21 11:46:25 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes and Mailtraq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c54656$9d543340$0400005a@orbital.com> >>Looking at the website, it looks like Mailtraq is a mail server, rather than client. Is this right? Or can it be used as a client as well?<< I think it must act like a local server. It has post-boxes set up for each of our outlook clients to access. It then looks at each of our pop 3 accounts on the web and downloads the email. Then it distributes the email based on certain filters etc to each of the post-boxes. In the client we just point it to the Mailtraq machines ip address and input username and password for the Mailtraq post-box. I think it acts a bit like exchange in this respect but have never used exchange. The post-boxes in Mailtraq have the domain, pop account username, and password info to access the pop 3 server on the web so I thought I could just change the domain to "localhost" and it would work like outlook express. However it did not. I imagined that each pop account within Mailtraq was like an outlook express account as on the surface it seemed to behave similarly. >>This does sound like a client. Do you get any error messages? (Either from Mailtraq or from SpamBayes).<< No error messages. >>If you look at the main page of the web interface, how many sessions does it say have occurred? If you check for mail in Mailtraq does this number increase?<< None and no it does not increase. >>You could try telnetting to localhost:110 (or whatever port(s) you are using) and see if you can connect or not<< Yes we are using 110. Telnetting to localhost:110 gave "could not connect to localhost:110". Whilst Telnet was running I connected to 90.0.0.12 the local machines ip address and got "220 nicolandandrew.com Ready for action (Mailtraq 2.6.2.1715/SMTP)" >>If you can, then the problem is between Mailtraq and SpamBayes. If you can't, then the problem is between SpamBayes and the mail server.<< Based on the previous answers maybe you can narrow this down a bit for me. If I could phrase a proper question to the Mailtraq team I could ask them although from experience they don't tend to support third party apps too well. Could you help with this if all else fails? Thanks for you help all the way from New Zealand Neil -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 21 April 2005 07:49 To: ngraham@nicolandandrew.com; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] spambayes and Mailtraq > Can anyone tell me how to set up spambayes with Mailtraq? > I have installed spambayes as an sb_server tray application > to access our pop 3 accounts. > > I have told the mailtraq pop3 mailboxes to look at localhost > instead of the pop 3 servers. > > Mail is not collected? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From pcm at cisco.com Thu Apr 21 14:28:54 2005 From: pcm at cisco.com (Paul Michali) Date: Thu Apr 21 14:29:03 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambayes IMAP and Microsoft Exchange... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42679C86.5030202@cisco.com> Tony Meyer wrote: >>I've been using SB for a while with a Mirapoint IMAP server >>and it works just fine. I made minor tweaks to the sb_imapfilter.py >>script to have a "Ham" folder in addition to the "Spam" and "Unsure" >>folders, >> >> > >Your patch for this is in 1.1a1, BTW. > > > >>to only train if login is successful, and to keep trying to log in at the >>defined interval, when a login fails (in case there are >>transient issues with accessing the server). >> >> > >I believe 1.1a1 ought to do this as well. > > > >>However, I'm trying to switch to Microsoft Exchange server using IMAP >>and I'm having problems. I changed the ini file to point to the new >>server name, I have the folders set up on the server, but, when I run >>imapfilter.py, I see the following message (after the >>password is obtained): >> >> >[...] > > >>Invalid response to select Inbox.Bayesian.MarkAsHam: >>('NO', ['The requested item could not be found.']) >> >> > >It sounds like you left the folder names in the ini file the same and just >created matching folders on the new server - is that right? If so, the >problem might be that the Exchange server uses a different delimiter than >the '.' that it appears the Mirapoint server uses. > >If you open up the web interface and look at the folder list (for training >or filtering), do the folder names appear like "Inbox.Bayesian.MarkAsHam"? >They might be something like "Inbox/Bayesian/MarkAsHam", instead, which >would be an easy fix. > >=Tony.Meyer > > Yes. that was it. Thanks! It was with "/" as delimiter for Micro$oft Exchange. -- PCM @ WORK (Paul Michali) Note: This message is signed with a Thawte Digital Certificate. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3200 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050421/826b426f/smime.bin From Curtiss at donorsforum.org Thu Apr 21 15:52:16 2005 From: Curtiss at donorsforum.org (Curtiss Crossley) Date: Thu Apr 21 15:51:47 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] unsubscribe Message-ID: Please get me off of this list. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Paul Michali Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 7:29 AM To: Tony Meyer Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambayes IMAP and Microsoft Exchange... Tony Meyer wrote: >>I've been using SB for a while with a Mirapoint IMAP server >>and it works just fine. I made minor tweaks to the sb_imapfilter.py >>script to have a "Ham" folder in addition to the "Spam" and "Unsure" >>folders, >> >> > >Your patch for this is in 1.1a1, BTW. > > > >>to only train if login is successful, and to keep trying to log in at the >>defined interval, when a login fails (in case there are >>transient issues with accessing the server). >> >> > >I believe 1.1a1 ought to do this as well. > > > >>However, I'm trying to switch to Microsoft Exchange server using IMAP >>and I'm having problems. I changed the ini file to point to the new >>server name, I have the folders set up on the server, but, when I run >>imapfilter.py, I see the following message (after the >>password is obtained): >> >> >[...] > > >>Invalid response to select Inbox.Bayesian.MarkAsHam: >>('NO', ['The requested item could not be found.']) >> >> > >It sounds like you left the folder names in the ini file the same and just >created matching folders on the new server - is that right? If so, the >problem might be that the Exchange server uses a different delimiter than >the '.' that it appears the Mirapoint server uses. > >If you open up the web interface and look at the folder list (for training >or filtering), do the folder names appear like "Inbox.Bayesian.MarkAsHam"? >They might be something like "Inbox/Bayesian/MarkAsHam", instead, which >would be an easy fix. > >=Tony.Meyer > > Yes. that was it. Thanks! It was with "/" as delimiter for Micro$oft Exchange. -- PCM @ WORK (Paul Michali) Note: This message is signed with a Thawte Digital Certificate. From insidesales at cobaltgroup.com Thu Apr 21 15:30:12 2005 From: insidesales at cobaltgroup.com (The Cobalt Group) Date: Thu Apr 21 16:05:15 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Hi Message-ID: Thank you for contacting The Cobalt Group. Your email is being routed to the appropriate department so that we can best meet your needs. You can expect a response to your inquiry within one business day. Cobalt sales staff is available Monday through Friday, 6 a.m. to 5 p.m., Pacific Time. If you are interested in more information on Cobalt products and services and would like to speak with someone immediately, please call 866-439-CBLT (2258). If you are a current customer and have a technical, billing or product support question, please call 800-909-8244 between 6 a.m. and 6 p.m., Pacific Time, and you will be connected with an eCare representative who can assist you. Cobalt is committed to providing automotive retailers with the best CRM and e-business solutions in the industry. We look forward to speaking with you soon. Best regards, The Cobalt Team From tim.peters at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 16:54:16 2005 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Apr 21 16:54:32 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f7befae05042107546d2cd04b@mail.gmail.com> [Curtiss Crossley] > Please get me off of this list. Subscription and unsubscription are self-service. Please visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes and unsubscribe yourself. From seanecovel at comcast.net Thu Apr 21 17:12:15 2005 From: seanecovel at comcast.net (Sean Covel) Date: Thu Apr 21 17:04:08 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? Message-ID: <4267C2CF.5060305@comcast.net> I'm new to the list. Been using SpamBayes Outlook plugin for a year or two. I just installed Windows 2003 Server SP1 on my laptop. After the reboot, Outlook 2003 reported a problem with SpamBayes, and asked to disable it. I agreed. I have been trying in vain to re-enable it. I go into com add-ins, and check the box next to SpamBayes, then OK to get out. SpamBayes isn't running, so I go back in and its not checked anymore. So, I decide to get the latest SpamBayes Outlook plugin (1.0.4, I was on 1.0.3) and install it. I check to see if it is enabled, no! So I try to enable it again. No joy. So I remove it, add it again, and enable it. Still no joy! Dell Latitude D810, Pentium 4, Windows 2003 Server, SP1, Office 2003 SP1. Sean From seanecovel at comcast.net Thu Apr 21 17:21:12 2005 From: seanecovel at comcast.net (Sean Covel) Date: Thu Apr 21 17:13:04 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? In-Reply-To: <4267C2CF.5060305@comcast.net> References: <4267C2CF.5060305@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4267C4E8.3080601@comcast.net> OK, I found the troubleshooting section and re-enabled the plugin. Now I'm in an infinite loop of Outlook crashes. It eventually disabled the plugin again, and Outlook is back up. So, what info do you need to help debug this? Sean Sean Covel wrote: > I'm new to the list. Been using SpamBayes Outlook plugin for a year or two. > > I just installed Windows 2003 Server SP1 on my laptop. After the > reboot, Outlook 2003 reported a problem with SpamBayes, and asked to > disable it. I agreed. > > I have been trying in vain to re-enable it. I go into com add-ins, and > check the box next to SpamBayes, then OK to get out. SpamBayes isn't > running, so I go back in and its not checked anymore. > > So, I decide to get the latest SpamBayes Outlook plugin (1.0.4, I was on > 1.0.3) and install it. I check to see if it is enabled, no! So I try > to enable it again. No joy. So I remove it, add it again, and enable > it. Still no joy! > > Dell Latitude D810, Pentium 4, Windows 2003 Server, SP1, Office 2003 SP1. > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 22 04:10:21 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 22 04:10:32 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes tool bars - did everything in troubleshootingguide and still don't work! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > There are two logfiles. I sent them both. Let me know if > I need to reset and generate another one. Unfortunately, your database is dead. The only solution is to retrain from scratch. Doing this from the SpamBayes Manager dialog should work (tick the "Rebuild entire database" box on the Training tab), or you can delete the database files (default_bayes_database.db and default_message_database.db in the Data directory) from the Data directory (while Outlook is not running). SpamBayes->SpamBayes Manager->Advanced->Show Data Folder will take you to the data directory. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 22 06:35:54 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 22 06:40:13 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes and Mailtraq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> You could try telnetting to localhost:110 (or whatever >> port(s) you are using) and see if you can connect or not > > Yes we are using 110. Telnetting to localhost:110 gave "could > not connect to localhost:110". Whilst Telnet was running I > connected to 90.0.0.12 the local machines ip address and got > "220 nicolandandrew.com Ready for action (Mailtraq 2.6.2.1715/SMTP)" Two thoughts: 1. Maybe "localhost" isn't resolving into the local machine - does "ping localhost" work? If not, then instead of "localhost", you'll have to use the IP/name of the local machine. 2. You didn't say which port you telnetted to to get the connection, but if it was 110, then it looks like Mailtraq is using the local port 110 itself. In that case, try getting SpamBayes to use port 8110 (and 8111 and 8112 for the other two servers) and set Mailtraq to get mail from localhost (or 90.0.0.12) on port 8110. > If I could phrase a proper question to the Mailtraq team I > could ask them although from experience they don't tend to support > third party apps too well. Could you help with this if all else fails? Sure. The question would basically be "how do I put a POP3 proxy between Mailtraq and the POP3 server", but we could add specifics. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 22 06:41:23 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 22 06:41:31 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I just installed Windows 2003 Server SP1 on my laptop. After > the reboot, Outlook 2003 reported a problem with SpamBayes, > and asked to disable it. I agreed. [...] > I found the troubleshooting section and re-enabled the plugin. > Now I'm in an infinite loop of Outlook crashes. Outlook crashing is the hardest thing to figure out. Things you could try: * Doing a "Detect and Repair" on Outlook. * Removing the {profile name}.ini (maybe "Outlook.ini") file in the SpamBayes data directory. This will wipe out your configuration (but not training), in case the problem is trying to access some folder that doesn't want to be accessed anymore. * Have a look at the SpamBayes log file - firstly, does one get created when you launch Outlook and it crashes? (If not then the add-in isn't even really starting). If there is one, are there any errors? Where does it get up to before Outlook dies? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 22 06:45:04 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 22 06:45:14 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Search problem again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I again have problem with searching messages. [... > i am sometimes able to find messages by spambayes-id and sometimes > not able. And, when i try to use "message headers" search option and enter > spambayes-id in search field, i get error message: > > Traceback (most recent call last): [...] > File "gzip.pyc", line 94, in __init__ > IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > 'C:\\...blah...\\Proxy\\pop3proxy-ham-cache\\1113460468' > > File really doesn't exists. I don't really have anything much to suggest other than what's in the tracker, unfortunately, but I'm doubtful that anyone else will respond to this. [ 1145237 ] Find by SpambayesID doesn't work If the file really doesn't exist, then the message isn't in the cache, but was when SpamBayes loaded, and SpamBayes hasn't moved it. The most likely explanation is that some other program is moving the file (e.g. anti-virus software). Is that possible? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From jpiw at go2.pl Fri Apr 22 08:30:50 2005 From: jpiw at go2.pl (Janusz Piwowarski) Date: Fri Apr 22 08:30:21 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Search problem again References: Message-ID: <005a01c54704$d40efb00$8d00050a@januszpXP> > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > [...] > > File "gzip.pyc", line 94, in __init__ > > IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: > > 'C:\\...blah...\\Proxy\\pop3proxy-ham-cache\\1113460468' > > > > File really doesn't exists. > > [...] > > If the file really doesn't exist, then the message isn't in the cache, but > was when SpamBayes loaded, and SpamBayes hasn't moved it. The most likely > explanation is that some other program is moving the file (e.g. anti-virus > software). Is that possible? No, it isn't. But, i checked backups (yes, now i make backups ;), and this file was in cache directory two days ago. I'm receiving a lots of mails (i'm subscribing a few mailing lists), maybe it is the reason? And, please tell me, should i "Save & shutdown" before turning machine off? Regards, Janusz From seanecovel at comcast.net Fri Apr 22 14:53:46 2005 From: seanecovel at comcast.net (Sean Covel) Date: Fri Apr 22 14:45:37 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4268F3DA.20204@comcast.net> Tony, First thing I tried: Enabled the plugin, restarted Outlook. Crash. Restart, crash. 3X then I disabled the plugin. I got a spambayes.log for each crash. All 3 were empty. Attempt 2: Ran a repair on Office 2003. Started Outlook. Enabled the plugin. Restarted Outlook. Crash. New, but empty spambayes.log #3: Renamed Outlook.ini to Outlook.ini.save. Started Outlook. Enabled the plugin. Restart Outlook. Crash. Rinse and repeat. 2 more empty spambayes.log file. Any other suggestions? Sean Tony Meyer wrote: >>I just installed Windows 2003 Server SP1 on my laptop. After >>the reboot, Outlook 2003 reported a problem with SpamBayes, >>and asked to disable it. I agreed. > > [...] > >>I found the troubleshooting section and re-enabled the plugin. >>Now I'm in an infinite loop of Outlook crashes. > > > Outlook crashing is the hardest thing to figure out. Things you could try: > > * Doing a "Detect and Repair" on Outlook. > > * Removing the {profile name}.ini (maybe "Outlook.ini") file in the > SpamBayes data directory. This will wipe out your configuration (but not > training), in case the problem is trying to access some folder that doesn't > want to be accessed anymore. > > * Have a look at the SpamBayes log file - firstly, does one get created > when you launch Outlook and it crashes? (If not then the add-in isn't even > really starting). If there is one, are there any errors? Where does it get > up to before Outlook dies? > > =Tony.Meyer > From ngraham at nicolandandrew.com Fri Apr 22 14:53:32 2005 From: ngraham at nicolandandrew.com (Neil Graham) Date: Fri Apr 22 14:56:06 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes and Mailtraq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c5473a$4ab0c060$0400005a@orbital.com> >> 1. Maybe "localhost" isn't resolving into the local machine - does "ping localhost" work? If not, then instead of "localhost", you'll have to use the IP/name of the local machine.<< It didn't it resolved to 127.0.0.1 >>2. You didn't say which port you telnetted to to get the connection, but if it was 110, then it looks like Mailtraq is using the local port 110 itself. In that case, try getting SpamBayes to use port 8110 (and 8111 and 8112 for the other two servers) and set Mailtraq to get mail from localhost (or 90.0.0.12) on port 8110.<< I tried this but no success. So I used the tried and tested scattergun approach and plodded through all possible configurations and then bingo! Should anyone else ask here's the set-up In Mailtraq you set the pop3 boxes to use port 110. You also set the ip address to the machines IP address not localhost. In spambayes you set it to use the pop 3 server on the web and for it to use port 8110. You only need one port in spambayes as all mail comes through it as set above i.e. our 6 pop accounts on nicolandandrew.com. I'm not sure why this works but it does so I'm happy at present. If the above seems to have flaws which will show themselves later perhaps you would let me know :) Thanks for your help Tony Neil > If I could phrase a proper question to the Mailtraq team I > could ask them although from experience they don't tend to support > third party apps too well. Could you help with this if all else fails? Sure. The question would basically be "how do I put a POP3 proxy between Mailtraq and the POP3 server", but we could add specifics. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From seanecovel at comcast.net Fri Apr 22 15:09:39 2005 From: seanecovel at comcast.net (Sean Covel) Date: Fri Apr 22 15:01:40 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? In-Reply-To: <4268F3DA.20204@comcast.net> References: <4268F3DA.20204@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4268F793.6050203@comcast.net> Tony, Complete uninstall of spambayes. Cleaned the registry. Double-checked the HD. (Spambayes cleans up after itself rather well..). Reinstall 1.0.4. Start Outlook. Enable the plugin. Restart Outlook. Crash. More blank spambayes.log files. Sean Sean Covel wrote: > Tony, > > First thing I tried: Enabled the plugin, restarted Outlook. Crash. > Restart, crash. 3X then I disabled the plugin. I got a spambayes.log > for each crash. All 3 were empty. > > Attempt 2: Ran a repair on Office 2003. Started Outlook. Enabled the > plugin. Restarted Outlook. Crash. New, but empty spambayes.log > > #3: Renamed Outlook.ini to Outlook.ini.save. Started Outlook. Enabled > the plugin. Restart Outlook. Crash. Rinse and repeat. 2 more empty > spambayes.log file. > > Any other suggestions? > > Sean > > > > Tony Meyer wrote: > >>>I just installed Windows 2003 Server SP1 on my laptop. After >>>the reboot, Outlook 2003 reported a problem with SpamBayes, >>>and asked to disable it. I agreed. >> >>[...] >> >> >>>I found the troubleshooting section and re-enabled the plugin. >>>Now I'm in an infinite loop of Outlook crashes. >> >> >>Outlook crashing is the hardest thing to figure out. Things you could try: >> >> * Doing a "Detect and Repair" on Outlook. >> >> * Removing the {profile name}.ini (maybe "Outlook.ini") file in the >>SpamBayes data directory. This will wipe out your configuration (but not >>training), in case the problem is trying to access some folder that doesn't >>want to be accessed anymore. >> >> * Have a look at the SpamBayes log file - firstly, does one get created >>when you launch Outlook and it crashes? (If not then the add-in isn't even >>really starting). If there is one, are there any errors? Where does it get >>up to before Outlook dies? >> >>=Tony.Meyer >> > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > From RMezzone at PJSolomon.com Fri Apr 22 15:10:11 2005 From: RMezzone at PJSolomon.com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Fri Apr 22 15:10:14 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? Message-ID: Did you delete everything out of documents and settings. I'm pretty sure uninstall leaves some stuff behind under user profile\application data, I believe. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org CC: 'SpamBayes' Sent: Fri Apr 22 09:09:39 2005 Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? Tony, Complete uninstall of spambayes. Cleaned the registry. Double-checked the HD. (Spambayes cleans up after itself rather well..). Reinstall 1.0.4. Start Outlook. Enable the plugin. Restart Outlook. Crash. More blank spambayes.log files. Sean Sean Covel wrote: > Tony, > > First thing I tried: Enabled the plugin, restarted Outlook. Crash. > Restart, crash. 3X then I disabled the plugin. I got a spambayes.log > for each crash. All 3 were empty. > > Attempt 2: Ran a repair on Office 2003. Started Outlook. Enabled the > plugin. Restarted Outlook. Crash. New, but empty spambayes.log > > #3: Renamed Outlook.ini to Outlook.ini.save. Started Outlook. Enabled > the plugin. Restart Outlook. Crash. Rinse and repeat. 2 more empty > spambayes.log file. > > Any other suggestions? > > Sean > > > > Tony Meyer wrote: > >>>I just installed Windows 2003 Server SP1 on my laptop. After >>>the reboot, Outlook 2003 reported a problem with SpamBayes, >>>and asked to disable it. I agreed. >> >>[...] >> >> >>>I found the troubleshooting section and re-enabled the plugin. >>>Now I'm in an infinite loop of Outlook crashes. >> >> >>Outlook crashing is the hardest thing to figure out. Things you could try: >> >> * Doing a "Detect and Repair" on Outlook. >> >> * Removing the {profile name}.ini (maybe "Outlook.ini") file in the >>SpamBayes data directory. This will wipe out your configuration (but not >>training), in case the problem is trying to access some folder that doesn't >>want to be accessed anymore. >> >> * Have a look at the SpamBayes log file - firstly, does one get created >>when you launch Outlook and it crashes? (If not then the add-in isn't even >>really starting). If there is one, are there any errors? Where does it get >>up to before Outlook dies? >> >>=Tony.Meyer >> > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050422/9b1f96c4/attachment.html From seanecovel at comcast.net Fri Apr 22 19:10:03 2005 From: seanecovel at comcast.net (Sean Covel) Date: Fri Apr 22 19:01:59 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42692FEB.8000607@comcast.net> Robert, Robert Mezzone wrote: > Did you delete everything out of documents and settings. I'm pretty sure > uninstall leaves some stuff behind under user profile\application data, > I believe. You are correct. Ok, so I uninstalled. Deleted all the SpamBayes stuff I could find (including the above directory) and cleaned out the registry. Reinstalled, same result. Sean > > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > CC: 'SpamBayes' > Sent: Fri Apr 22 09:09:39 2005 > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? > > Tony, > > Complete uninstall of spambayes. Cleaned the registry. Double-checked > the HD. (Spambayes cleans up after itself rather well..). > > Reinstall 1.0.4. Start Outlook. Enable the plugin. Restart Outlook. > Crash. > > More blank spambayes.log files. > > Sean > > Sean Covel wrote: >> Tony, >> >> First thing I tried: Enabled the plugin, restarted Outlook. Crash. >> Restart, crash. 3X then I disabled the plugin. I got a spambayes.log >> for each crash. All 3 were empty. >> >> Attempt 2: Ran a repair on Office 2003. Started Outlook. Enabled the >> plugin. Restarted Outlook. Crash. New, but empty spambayes.log >> >> #3: Renamed Outlook.ini to Outlook.ini.save. Started Outlook. Enabled >> the plugin. Restart Outlook. Crash. Rinse and repeat. 2 more empty >> spambayes.log file. >> >> Any other suggestions? >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> Tony Meyer wrote: >> >>>>I just installed Windows 2003 Server SP1 on my laptop. After >>>>the reboot, Outlook 2003 reported a problem with SpamBayes, >>>>and asked to disable it. I agreed. >>> >>>[...] >>> >>> >>>>I found the troubleshooting section and re-enabled the plugin. >>>>Now I'm in an infinite loop of Outlook crashes. >>> >>> >>>Outlook crashing is the hardest thing to figure out. Things you could > try: >>> >>> * Doing a "Detect and Repair" on Outlook. >>> >>> * Removing the {profile name}.ini (maybe "Outlook.ini") file in the >>>SpamBayes data directory. This will wipe out your configuration (but not >>>training), in case the problem is trying to access some folder that > doesn't >>>want to be accessed anymore. >>> >>> * Have a look at the SpamBayes log file - firstly, does one get created >>>when you launch Outlook and it crashes? (If not then the add-in isn't > even >>>really starting). If there is one, are there any errors? Where does > it get >>>up to before Outlook dies? >>> >>>=Tony.Meyer >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Spambayes@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html >> > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > From IDmessage129jdsu732zxr at ccsoftwaresolutions.com Sat Apr 23 00:22:14 2005 From: IDmessage129jdsu732zxr at ccsoftwaresolutions.com (Visa and Mastercard Protection) Date: Sat Apr 23 08:28:01 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] *** URGENT *** Please Read Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050424/b0c84c4f/attachment.htm From Arne.Evertsson at teliasonera.com Mon Apr 25 09:02:38 2005 From: Arne.Evertsson at teliasonera.com (Arne.Evertsson@teliasonera.com) Date: Mon Apr 25 09:03:29 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Giving up Message-ID: <686B923EFC4995429F3467A94271B82630E82D@SEHAN015MB.tcad.telia.se> I'm giving up SpamBayes since it doesn't work with imap (not together with the mail server and my web hotell anyway). That's too bad since it otherwise works so well. Thunderbird has imap support and some kind of spam killer? It will be my next step on the path to a clean(er) inbox... /Arne --------------------------------------------------- Arne Evertsson: arne.evertsson@teliasonera.com - 070 714 52 99 From ngraham at nicolandandrew.com Mon Apr 25 12:24:31 2005 From: ngraham at nicolandandrew.com (Neil Graham) Date: Mon Apr 25 12:27:02 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes and Mailtraq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c54980$f8521e60$0400005a@orbital.com> >> 2. You didn't say which port you telnetted to to get the connection, but if it was 110, then it looks like Mailtraq is using the local port 110 itself. In that case, try getting SpamBayes to use port 8110 (and 8111 and 8112 for the other two servers) and set Mailtraq to get mail from localhost (or 90.0.0.12) on port 8110.<< >>In Mailtraq you set the pop3 boxes to use port 110. You also set the ip address to the machines IP address not localhost. In spambayes you set it to use the pop 3 server on the web and for it to use port 8110. You only need one port in spambayes as all mail comes through it as set above i.e. our 6 pop accounts on nicolandandrew.com. I'm not sure why this works but it does so I'm happy at present. If the above seems to have flaws which will show themselves later perhaps you would let me know :)<< I spoke too soon! The setup I sent you did work as far as getting spambayes to intercept and screen mail that was then picked up by Mailtraq but then the Outlook clients could not pick up the mail from Mailtraq? There was a delay in the outlook client acting like this as it appeared to be working ok so there must have been a few messages in a queue. I tried several other port configurations in Outlook (8110 etc) but it would not work. I have posted a question in the Mailtraq list to see if anyone can help. Regards Neil From gh242 at cam.ac.uk Mon Apr 25 14:39:24 2005 From: gh242 at cam.ac.uk (Garry Honey) Date: Mon Apr 25 14:39:30 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook fails after installing SpamBayes Message-ID: Hi there, I recently downloaded the experimental version of the Outlook addin (SpamBayes-Setup-Experimental-01.exe - did this by mistake - didn't realise at the time I was downloading the experimental version). Once installed, the training worked fine, but since then I have been unable to get Outlook to connect: when connecting to the server, I get the error message: "Unable to connect to the server 'localhost': Unable to connect to the server. Would you like to connect using your modem?" I uninstalled the plug-in, which although appeared to be done successfully, the SpamBayes toolbar was still visible when I loaded up Outlook, and still I got the same error message when connecting. I installed the stable version (1.1a1.exe), and still have the same problem. The log file reads as follows: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules\spambayes\languages Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 69 spam and 6051 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin Version 1.1a1 (April 2005) on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 4) using Python 2.4 (#60, Nov 30 2004, 11:49:19) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)] Log created Mon Apr 25 13:24:49 2005 *** SpamBayes is NOT enabled, so will not filter incoming mail. *** FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None) The above toolbar message is common - recreating the toolbar... Cancelling wizard Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\SpamBayes\Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.ini SpamBayes: Watching (for filtering) in 'Personal Folders/Inbox' SpamBayes: Watching (for incremental training) in 'Personal Folders/Junk E-Mail' Please help! From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Mon Apr 25 14:45:08 2005 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Mon Apr 25 14:45:13 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Feature Request Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C3A9@SPIKE.city> A couple of comments on the whitelisting debate ... 1. I agree with the Spambayes developers that whitelisting is superfluous. But it doesn't matter, because only relatively sophisticated users understand why it's superfluous. If you're responsible for email in a shop with unsophisticated users, you WILL implement whitelisting; the users will demand it and will eventually get the ear of someone who can overrule you. The only reason I'm not one of those hollering for whitelisting in Spambayes is that ... 2. Very few unsophisticated users will accept a client-based solution for spam removal in any case. The reasons for this are varied, and some of them are subtle; but you won't be able to dodge them forever, and eventually you'll have to install a server-based system. But since every commercially viable server-based system includes whitelisting, you don't need it in Spambayes or in any other client-side spamcatcher. (BTW, one of the reasons Spambayes isn't viable in a large Outlook-using organization is the ease of inadvertently deleting or misplacing your spam folders. That the problem is mostly Outlook's fault is irrelevant.) Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Michal Vitecek > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:09 AM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Feature Request > > > Skip Montanaro wrote: > > > > Bryan> Don't you agree that you should be able to whitelist everyone you > > Bryan> are doing business though? > > > >No, actually I don't. I get the occasional spam and/or virus purporting to > >be from people in the Python community who I believe would never spam me and > >who I also trust keep their machines virus-free.. I trust SpamBayes to sort > >things out. In situations where I think email coming from a particular > >source "can't possibly be spam", I filter it to the proper mailbox before > >SpamBayes sees it. You should be able to do this in Outlook as well. I > >don't use Outlook though, so I'd be hard-pressed to tell you how to do this. > > i think you trust spambayes way too much. i also think pre-filtering > mail before spambayes is quite strange - what's the use of a filtering > application if it needs such workarounds? whitelisting would imo > definitely help, because: > > [remainder of message omitted] From CJean1598 at aol.com Mon Apr 25 19:08:05 2005 From: CJean1598 at aol.com (CJean1598@aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 25 19:08:19 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: Message-ID: <1a5.361edd76.2f9e7df5@aol.com> i was just wondering if your last name is couchman because there arent verry many couchmans in our family and this just poped up when i was looking at my web page i just found that to be weird if your last name is couchman would you email me back that would be great. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050425/d9d66c09/attachment.html From wvessey at stx.rr.com Tue Apr 26 01:20:27 2005 From: wvessey at stx.rr.com (Bill Susan Vessey) Date: Tue Apr 26 01:19:40 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] uninstall? Message-ID: <000801c549ed$60b55320$ba30aa18@stx.rr.com> Help! How do I uninstall SpamBayes 1.0.4. I downloaded it on my Windows98, and now I have all the directories and files, but there's nowhere to open it or uninstall it. (It doesn't appear on my add/remove list). I tried downloading it again thinking it would overwrite, and now I have double everything. Help!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050425/4089c50b/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 26 04:58:19 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 26 04:59:46 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] uninstall? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > How do I uninstall SpamBayes 1.0.4. > I downloaded it on my Windows98, and now I have all the > directories and files, but there's nowhere to open it or > uninstall it. (It doesn't appear on my add/remove list). It should be. Did you use the windows installer downloaded from our site/sourceforge? Is there a "unins000.exe" file in the directory you installed it into? If so, then running that should do an uninstall. > I tried downloading it again thinking it would overwrite, > and now I have double everything. This shouldn't happen with the proper installer, either. Perhaps you're doing some other sort of install? What was the process you used? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 26 05:04:48 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 26 05:05:04 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook fails after installing SpamBayes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I recently downloaded the experimental version of the Outlook addin > (SpamBayes-Setup-Experimental-01.exe - did this by mistake - > didn't realise at the time I was downloading the experimental > version). It's best to always download from the link on our website: . > Once installed, the training worked fine, but since then I have > been unable to get Outlook to connect: when connecting to the server, > I get the error message: "Unable to connect to the server 'localhost': > Unable to connect to the server. > Would you like to connect using your modem?" This sounds like you installed the plug-in, but followed the instructions for installing & using sb_server. You shouldn't have made any changes to your mail accounts in Outlook to use the plug-in. Did you? > I uninstalled the plug-in, which although appeared to be done > successfully, the SpamBayes toolbar was still visible when I > loaded up Outlook, and still The toolbar not being removed is a known bug; see: > I got the same error message when connecting. I installed the stable > version (1.1a1.exe), and still have the same problem. 1.1a1 is *not* the latest stable version. It is an *alpha* release. The latest stable version will never have a letter in the version string - currently, it's 1.0.4. The website has this information. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Apr 26 05:08:50 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Apr 26 05:24:12 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Database growing bigger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Nevertheless, I observe that my database default_bayes_database.db > is growing bigger (now it is greater than 5 Mbytes!!); is it possible > to shrink it without losing training information? No. Actually, it's not really possible to shrink it at all at the moment (certainly not within the Outlook plug-in). You can retrain from scratch, or stop training, both of which may be feasible for you personally. 5Mb is pretty insignificant, these days, though! :) =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From vze5bgzj at verizon.net Tue Apr 26 13:06:35 2005 From: vze5bgzj at verizon.net (Mike Blonder) Date: Tue Apr 26 12:45:52 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Any idea what this all indicates Message-ID: <200504260706.35657.vze5bgzj@verizon.net> Hello. I am now receiving the following error messages from http://localhost:8880 when I use the GUI to "review messages." Any idea for a short fix for all of this? 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 470, in found_terminator getattr(plugin, name)(**params) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/ProxyUI.py", line 534, in onReview message.load() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/FileCorpus.py", line 230, in load self.setPayload(fp.read()) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/FileCorpus.py", line 248, in setPayload message.SBHeaderMessage.setPayload(self, payload) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 344, in setPayload new_me = email.message_from_string(payload, _class=SBHeaderMessage) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/__init__.py", line 52, in message_from_string return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Parser.py", line 205, in _parsebody raise Errors.BoundaryError( BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no trailing empty line It should be noted that I ran reiserfsck --fix-fixable on the disk last night. Perhaps some files were rearranged. BTW, the daemon spamd does not load properly under SuSE 9.1 Linux OS for me. I receive the following error messages from command line: ./spamd start ./spamd: line 7: loopback: command not found ./spamd: line 8: link-local: command not found Starting spamd: SuSE does not like either loopback or link-local. Anybody know of a fix? Attempting to start the process with YaST2 runlevel editor is worse as an attempt to enable the daemon will hang YaST2, necessitating kill process. Thanks Mike From dpoling4 at columbus.rr.com Tue Apr 26 15:44:01 2005 From: dpoling4 at columbus.rr.com (don poling) Date: Tue Apr 26 15:45:18 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] reconfigering Message-ID: Help!! I have followed everything and cannot get it right. Cannot delete spam. Thanks Don Poling From claude_jones at levitjames.com Tue Apr 26 16:28:30 2005 From: claude_jones at levitjames.com (Claude Jones) Date: Tue Apr 26 16:28:39 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Database growing bigger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200504261028.30489.claude_jones@levitjames.com> On Monday April 25 2005 11:08 pm, Tony Meyer wrote: > > Nevertheless, I observe that my database default_bayes_database.db > > is growing bigger (now it is greater than 5 Mbytes!!); is it possible > > to shrink it without losing training information? > > No. Actually, it's not really possible to shrink it at all at the moment > (certainly not within the Outlook plug-in). You can retrain from scratch, > or stop training, both of which may be feasible for you personally. 5Mb is > pretty insignificant, these days, though! :) > Tony: This brings up a question I keep forgetting to ask you. I am very happy with Spambayes' performance. I have it running in a number of different environments including two Linux boxes and a larger number of Windows machines. With the Linux boxes, I wonder if there's a point of diminishing returns with training - I ask because training is becoming quite unwieldy at this point - when I go to the training window, it loads around 4-500 messages and this can become tedious - especially when there's a message I'm unsure of; if I click it to see what's in it, the return to the training page has put all the checkmarks back to where they were when I first opened it, and I have to go through the whole list again. Is there a point at which it is better to delete the database and start training anew? I know this is probably a hard question to answer, but, I wonder if you have some thoughts on this subject. -- Claude Jones Bluemont, VA, USA From mike at imbenterprises.com Tue Apr 26 18:57:31 2005 From: mike at imbenterprises.com (Mike Blonder) Date: Tue Apr 26 18:35:59 2005 Subject: ham,[Spambayes] Any idea what this all indicates Problem FIXED In-Reply-To: <200504260706.35657.vze5bgzj@verizon.net> References: <200504260706.35657.vze5bgzj@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200504261257.31354.mike@imbenterprises.com> Hi I have fixed the problem(s). For what it is worth, if you are using SpamBayes on SuSE Linux 9.0, then make sure that your spamd script is modified as follows: Source Function Library is /etc/rc.status Source Networking Configuration is /etc/sysconfig/network/config Good Luck Mike On Tuesday 26 April 2005 07:06, Mike Blonder wrote: > Hello. > > I am now receiving the following error messages from http://localhost:8880 > when I use the GUI to "review messages." Any idea for a short fix for all > of this? > > 500 Server error > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 470, > in found_terminator > getattr(plugin, name)(**params) > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/ProxyUI.py", line 534, > in onReview > message.load() > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/FileCorpus.py", line > 230, in load > self.setPayload(fp.read()) > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/FileCorpus.py", line > 248, in setPayload > message.SBHeaderMessage.setPayload(self, payload) > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 344, > in setPayload > new_me = email.message_from_string(payload, _class=SBHeaderMessage) > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/__init__.py", line 52, in > message_from_string return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s) > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr > return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly) > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse > self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline) > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/email/Parser.py", line 205, in _parsebody > raise Errors.BoundaryError( > > BoundaryError: No terminating boundary and no trailing empty line > > It should be noted that I ran reiserfsck --fix-fixable on the disk last > night. Perhaps some files were rearranged. > > BTW, the daemon spamd does not load properly under SuSE 9.1 Linux OS for > me. I receive the following error messages from command line: > > ./spamd start > ./spamd: line 7: loopback: command not found > ./spamd: line 8: link-local: command not found > Starting spamd: > > SuSE does not like either loopback or link-local. Anybody know of a fix? > > Attempting to start the process with YaST2 runlevel editor is worse as an > attempt to enable the daemon will hang YaST2, necessitating kill process. > > Thanks > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 27 02:05:24 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 27 02:05:34 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] reconfigering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Help!! I have followed everything and cannot get it right. > Cannot delete spam. We need more information than this in order to help. Please at least tell us: * What operating system you are using (Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP? Mac OS X? Linux?) * What version of SpamBayes you are using (Should be 1.0.4) * What mail client you are using (Outlook? Outlook Express? Eudora? Thunderbird?) * What you have done so far. * What is going wrong - exactly. What do you try to do, and what happens when you do it? Do you get any error messages? If so, what are they? If you're using the Outlook plug-in or sb_server, then there will also be a SpamBayes log file generated. Please send us a copy of that. The troubleshooting guide explains where to find it. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 27 04:50:41 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 27 04:51:11 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Database growing bigger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I am very happy with Spambayes' performance. I have it running in a > number of different environments including two Linux boxes and a > larger number of Windows machines. With the Linux boxes, I wonder > if there's a point of diminishing returns with training - I ask > because training is becoming quite unwieldy at this point - If there is such a point, it will be cross-platform, since the classification is platform-agnostic. > when I > go to the training window, it loads around 4-500 messages and this > can become tedious - especially when there's a message I'm unsure > of; if I click it to see what's in it, the return to the > training page has put all the checkmarks back to where they were > when I first opened it, and I have to go through the whole list again. How are you going back to the review page? If you use the browser's "back" button, then the browser ought to display the page with all the checkmarks as they were (some browsers are better at doing this than others). Alternatively, you could open the 'view message' in a new window/tab, which would work around this. Note that you can set the default actions to take for messages, too (Advanced Configuration page), which might make this process faster. There's also an option to not cache messages with the 'bulk' header, which includes most well-behaved mailing lists, which typically have no or little spam - using that option might also help. What sort of training are you doing? Sb_server still defaults to training ham, and discarding spam, I think. It would be better to do mistake-based training, where you only train any false positives, false negatives and unsures (and adjust the thresholds if necessary, to reduce the number of (particularly spam) unsures). There's lots more about this at: > Is there a point at which it is better to delete the database and start > training anew? I know this is probably a hard question to answer, but, > I wonder if you have some thoughts on this subject. There probably is, but I don't know when it is. I personally start from scratch every few months or so, but that's almost always because I'm testing out an experimental database format and something goes wrong with it, forcing a retrain. AFAIK no-one has done any testing on this, although there has been tests on 'aging' a database (removing messages after a certain amount of time), which did OK, IIRC, but not significantly better than other training techniques. Supporting different types of training is one way that I think SpamBayes (specifically the Outlook plug-in and sb_server) could really improve. No time to work on that, yet, unfortunately. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Apr 27 04:57:12 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Apr 27 05:03:23 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [...] > Any other suggestions? I can't think of anything at the moment, unfortunately. Does anyone else reading this know for sure that Windows 2003 Server SP1 is compatible with SpamBayes? I guess you could try running from source, and see if that is any different, or gives better errors: * Install Python * Install pywin32 extensions * Download source archive (.zip) from * Extract source to somewhere convenient * Run "python addin.py --debug" in the Outlook2000 directory. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From gh242 at cam.ac.uk Wed Apr 27 10:33:05 2005 From: gh242 at cam.ac.uk (Garry Honey) Date: Wed Apr 27 10:33:09 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook fails after installing SpamBayes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tony, Many thanks for your prompt response. Unfortunately, I'm still having the same problem. I uninstalled version 1.1a1, and installed version 1.0.4. I still have the same problem: when I try to retrieve mail, I get the error "Unable to connect to the server 'localhost': Unable to connect to the server. Would you like to connect using your modem?" On this, and previous installations, I followed the instructions for the installation of the plug-in, not the sb_server, and haven't made any changes at all to my mail accounts in Outlook. Outlook was working perfectly fine before installing and training the plug-in, and then simply stop working immediatley after installing it with the above error message. I've tried uninstalling the stable version, and I still get the same error message. Hoping you can help, Regards, Garry On Apr 26 2005, Tony Meyer wrote: > > I recently downloaded the experimental version of the Outlook addin > > (SpamBayes-Setup-Experimental-01.exe - did this by mistake - > > didn't realise at the time I was downloading the experimental > > version). > > It's best to always download from the link on our website: > . > > > Once installed, the training worked fine, but since then I have > > been unable to get Outlook to connect: when connecting to the server, > > I get the error message: "Unable to connect to the server 'localhost': > > Unable to connect to the server. > > Would you like to connect using your modem?" > > This sounds like you installed the plug-in, but followed the instructions > for installing & using sb_server. You shouldn't have made any changes to > your mail accounts in Outlook to use the plug-in. Did you? > > > I uninstalled the plug-in, which although appeared to be done > > successfully, the SpamBayes toolbar was still visible when I > > loaded up Outlook, and still > > The toolbar not being removed is a known bug; see: > > > > 498103> > > > I got the same error message when connecting. I installed the stable > > version (1.1a1.exe), and still have the same problem. > > 1.1a1 is *not* the latest stable version. It is an *alpha* release. The > latest stable version will never have a letter in the version string - > currently, it's 1.0.4. The website has this information. > > =Tony.Meyer > > From seanecovel at comcast.net Wed Apr 27 15:00:11 2005 From: seanecovel at comcast.net (Sean Covel) Date: Wed Apr 27 14:51:48 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426F8CDB.5040503@comcast.net> Tony, Ouch, looks painful. I'll give it a shot if I get a chunk of spare time. Sean Tony Meyer wrote: > [...] > >>Any other suggestions? > > > I can't think of anything at the moment, unfortunately. Does anyone else > reading this know for sure that Windows 2003 Server SP1 is compatible with > SpamBayes? > > I guess you could try running from source, and see if that is any different, > or gives better errors: > > * Install Python > > * Install pywin32 extensions > > * Download source archive (.zip) from > > * Extract source to somewhere convenient > > * Run "python addin.py --debug" in the Outlook2000 directory. > > =Tony.Meyer > From gh242 at cam.ac.uk Wed Apr 27 16:34:18 2005 From: gh242 at cam.ac.uk (Garry Honey) Date: Wed Apr 27 16:34:38 2005 Subject: Fwd: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook fails after installing SpamBayes Message-ID: Hi there, Just wanted to clear this up - turns out the problem was that it wasn't the installing of SpamBayes that caused the problem, but the uninstalling of another spam-checker (SpamPal) that I did at the same time, which required the incoming mail to be set to localhost - having uninstalled this, I needed to return the setting to its original value. I still haven't managed to get Outlook to work (now complains about a password conflict), but the bottom line is, this was nothing to do with the installation of SpamBayes. Thanks anyway Tony for looking into this - sorry if I caused anyone any confusion (it confused me!!), and congratulations on a great spam filter, which I think will work beautifully once I have Outlook up and running again! Regards, Garry ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Garry Honey To: Tony Meyer Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook fails after installing SpamBayes Date: 27 Apr 2005 09:33:05 +0100 Hi Tony, Many thanks for your prompt response. Unfortunately, I'm still having the same problem. I uninstalled version 1.1a1, and installed version 1.0.4. I still have the same problem: when I try to retrieve mail, I get the error "Unable to connect to the server 'localhost': Unable to connect to the server. Would you like to connect using your modem?" On this, and previous installations, I followed the instructions for the installation of the plug-in, not the sb_server, and haven't made any changes at all to my mail accounts in Outlook. Outlook was working perfectly fine before installing and training the plug-in, and then simply stop working immediatley after installing it with the above error message. I've tried uninstalling the stable version, and I still get the same error message. Hoping you can help, Regards, Garry On Apr 26 2005, Tony Meyer wrote: > > I recently downloaded the experimental version of the Outlook addin > > (SpamBayes-Setup-Experimental-01.exe - did this by mistake - > > didn't realise at the time I was downloading the experimental > > version). > > It's best to always download from the link on our website: > . > > > Once installed, the training worked fine, but since then I have > > been unable to get Outlook to connect: when connecting to the server, > > I get the error message: "Unable to connect to the server 'localhost': > > Unable to connect to the server. > > Would you like to connect using your modem?" > > This sounds like you installed the plug-in, but followed the instructions > for installing & using sb_server. You shouldn't have made any changes to > your mail accounts in Outlook to use the plug-in. Did you? > > > I uninstalled the plug-in, which although appeared to be done > > successfully, the SpamBayes toolbar was still visible when I > > loaded up Outlook, and still > > The toolbar not being removed is a known bug; see: > > > > 498103> > > > I got the same error message when connecting. I installed the stable > > version (1.1a1.exe), and still have the same problem. > > 1.1a1 is *not* the latest stable version. It is an *alpha* release. The > latest stable version will never have a letter in the version string - > currently, it's 1.0.4. The website has this information. > > =Tony.Meyer > > From betsy at pipelineinteractive.com Wed Apr 27 17:37:05 2005 From: betsy at pipelineinteractive.com (Betsy Noullet) Date: Wed Apr 27 17:37:10 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] white listing Message-ID: <74480A1295F9CC4D82B440064D3AA67702AADD3E@JOREL.pipelineinteractive.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/bmp Size: 14262 bytes Desc: Outlook.bmp Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050427/23c55898/attachment.bmp From jsp at PKC.com Wed Apr 27 18:17:06 2005 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Wed Apr 27 18:17:11 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] white listing Message-ID: <16E2027582CDB74180896CDB4B8CC1F9F15458@PKCVT01.pkc.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/bmp Size: 14262 bytes Desc: Outlook.bmp Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20050427/96779c8a/attachment-0001.bmp From seanecovel at comcast.net Wed Apr 27 19:28:56 2005 From: seanecovel at comcast.net (Sean Covel) Date: Wed Apr 27 19:20:27 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426FCBD8.7040008@comcast.net> Tony, > * Install Python Installed 2.4.1 > > * Install pywin32 extensions > Installed pywin32-204.win32-py2.4.exe > * Download source archive (.zip) from > Got spambayes-1.0.4.tar.gz > * Extract source to somewhere convenient > Done > * Run "python addin.py --debug" in the Outlook2000 directory. > Done. Registered. I ran Outlook. It crashed. I tried to run PythonWin.exe to capture any debug output, but it GPF'd. Unhandled exception at 0x00a1d30c in Pythonwin.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation. I opened it in the MS.NET debugger to see what I could see. Not much, but here it is: The exception was in MFC7.1.dll. This is the human-readable part of the call stack: thrdcore.cpp - AfxInternalPumpMessage: line 188 thrdcore.cpp - CWinThread::Run: line 637 winmain.cpp - AfxWinMain: line 49 So, I decided to use win32traceutil.py to see if it could capture anything. Here's the output: C:\Program Files\Python24\Lib\site-packages\win32\lib>python Python 2.4.1 (#65, Mar 30 2005, 09:13:57) [MSC v.1310 32 bit (Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> quit 'Use Ctrl-Z plus Return to exit.' >>> ^Z C:\Program Files\Python24\Lib\site-packages\win32\lib>python win32traceutil.py Collecting Python Trace Output... Object with win32trace dispatcher created (object=None) Not very helpful if you ask me. No log files this time. I'm beginning to suspect its Python and not SpamBayes that is the problem. Is there anything else I can get for you? Sean From brian at meridiansix.com Wed Apr 27 21:09:56 2005 From: brian at meridiansix.com (brian@meridiansix.com) Date: Wed Apr 27 21:09:58 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] re : OE 6 w/ multiple identities Same mail server.... Message-ID: <1702.168.103.104.75.1114628996.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> Hi ! Thanks for the hard work... I have 1.0.4 "other mail clients" install for outlook express I share the computer and we use switch identities to keep the mail separate Since the .ini file is under my profile in windows (2000) the rules are set by MY email, which I set up first... ? Is there a way to have OE identity specific rules ?? If NOT then since the email addresses are from the same Domain e.g. joe@mail.com and jen@mail.com - the POP3 mail setting is the same for both But it doesn't seem to be filtering for the second account.... I have set the server properties for both identities...to localhost Thanks ! -brian From kincade at bauer.net Thu Apr 28 01:14:54 2005 From: kincade at bauer.net (The Velvet Room) Date: Thu Apr 28 01:15:01 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Help with outlook toolbar! Message-ID: <20050427231459.633531E4006@bag.python.org> Hi everyone; I just uninstalled spambays 1.03, deleted the toolbar, and then reinstalled 1.04; now I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get the toolbar back! It's gone from 'view' and 'toolbars', but the log file does not show any errors! Any advice here? == KB From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 28 01:33:12 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 28 01:33:40 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Help with outlook toolbar! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I just uninstalled spambays 1.03, deleted the > toolbar, and then reinstalled 1.04; now I cannot for the > life of me figure out how to get the toolbar back! It's gone > from 'view' and 'toolbars', but the log file does not show any errors! Does the log file show anything? I suspect that the plug-in is disabled, so a log file isn't actually being generated. If you're using Outlook 2002 or 2003, check Help->About Microsoft Outlook->Disabled Items, and see if SpamBayes is listed there. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 28 01:37:30 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 28 01:37:45 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] re : OE 6 w/ multiple identities Same mail server.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I have 1.0.4 "other mail clients" install for outlook express > I share the computer and we use switch identities to keep the > mail separate Since the .ini file is under my profile in > windows (2000) the rules are set by MY email, which I set up first... > > ? Is there a way to have OE identity specific rules ?? You're switching Outlook Express identities, and not logging into Windows as different users, is that right? (If you are logging in as different users, think I can think of a way to do this). There isn't really any way to do this at the moment, unless you manually start up SpamBayes before opening OE for each user (then you could specify a configuration file to use). > If NOT then since the email addresses are from the same > Domain e.g. joe@mail.com and jen@mail.com - the POP3 mail > setting is the same for both > > But it doesn't seem to be filtering for the second account.... > > I have set the server properties for both identities...to localhost This should work fine. What happens when you're in the second account and check for mail? Does it manage to connect, or give an error? If it connects, if you go to the main page of the SpamBayes web interface, does the number of sessions (in the information at the top left) increase? If it doesn't, then OE isn't connecting to SpamBayes (rechecking the account settings would be best). If it does, then it is going through SpamBayes, so ought to be filtering. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Apr 28 01:44:56 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Apr 28 01:45:18 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I ran Outlook. It crashed. > > I tried to run PythonWin.exe to capture any debug output, but > it GPF'd. Eeek. [...] > So, I decided to use win32traceutil.py to see if it could > capture anything. [...] > C:\Program Files\Python24\Lib\site-packages\win32\lib>python > win32traceutil.py > Collecting Python Trace Output... > Object with win32trace dispatcher created (object=None) > > Not very helpful if you ask me. No log files this time. Anything that would have gone into the log would have appeared in the traceutil output - having that empty is like the empty log. > Here's the output: > > C:\Program Files\Python24\Lib\site-packages\win32\lib>python > Python 2.4.1 (#65, Mar 30 2005, 09:13:57) [MSC v.1310 32 bit > (Intel)] on win32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or > "license" for more information. > >>> quit > 'Use Ctrl-Z plus Return to exit.' > >>> ^Z > > I'm beginning to suspect its Python and not SpamBayes that is > the problem. >From the above, it looks like Python is ok, but the pywin32 extensions are not (which would also stop SpamBayes working, before it managed to get to a log). > Is there anything else I can get for you? Since you've got Python and pywin32 installed, could you try opening a command window, running Python ('C:\Program Files\Python24\python.exe' I'm guessing) and trying these statements. I suspect one of them will crash Python: import win32api import win32com import win32con import win32gui import pythoncom If one of them does, then the problem is definitely with pywin32 somehow. The bad news is that I have no idea about how to fix that, but the good news is that if you open a pywin32 bug, Mark is usually pretty good and fixing things reasonably promptly. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From seanecovel at comcast.net Thu Apr 28 02:33:51 2005 From: seanecovel at comcast.net (Sean Covel) Date: Thu Apr 28 02:25:23 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2003 Server SP1 breaks Outlook Plugin? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42702F6F.8060704@comcast.net> Tony, Thanks for the response. > Since you've got Python and pywin32 installed, could you try opening a > command window, running Python ('C:\Program Files\Python24\python.exe' I'm > guessing) and trying these statements. I suspect one of them will crash > Python: > > import win32api > import win32com > import win32con > import win32gui > import pythoncom > > If one of them does, then the problem is definitely with pywin32 somehow. > The bad news is that I have no idea about how to fix that, but the good news > is that if you open a pywin32 bug, Mark is usually pretty good and fixing > things reasonably promptly. No joy. They all ran fine. If all this is doing is registering the libraries, perhaps they need to be exorcised to crash. Is there a validation suite for pywin32? Some sort of test app for regression testing? Sean From maury at IPaintGlass.com Fri Apr 29 00:44:42 2005 From: maury at IPaintGlass.com (Maury King) Date: Fri Apr 29 02:50:21 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk Suspects to Delete Message-ID: <011b01c54c43$de5c2df0$6501a8c0@VIAODesk> This is a question or a suggestion. Once you've chosen to "Delete As Spam" couldn't the messages go straight to the Deleted Items folder so you don't have to look at them another time in the Junk Mail Folder? Thanks for telling me how or considering it for a future version. Maury King http://www.IPaintGlass.com maury@IPaintGlass.com 206-722-3200 From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Apr 29 04:02:44 2005 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Apr 29 04:02:59 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk Suspects to Delete In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Once you've chosen to > "Delete As Spam" couldn't the messages go straight to the > Deleted Items folder so you don't have to look at them > another time in the Junk Mail Folder? This is covered in this feature request: [ 973376 ] Make "Delete as Spam" *really* Delete the email Feel free to add any comments or your additional request to the tracker. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. From gowranga at serc.iisc.ernet.in Fri Apr 29 10:31:58 2005 From: gowranga at serc.iisc.ernet.in (K. H. Gowranga) Date: Fri Apr 29 10:29:18 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] filter misclassification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I obtained the following clues to understand why the filter misclassifies mails from a particular source. Despite training such messages as "ham", the Ham score is shown as "0". Kindly let me know how to force such a message to be treated as "Ham". 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'worlds' 'x-mailer:none' 'you' On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Tony Meyer wrote: > > However, mails from "NASA" keep getting delivered to "spam" > > folder, despite the fact I train/retrain the filter not to > > treat it as "spam". > > > You can see the clues list via the web interface (you can use sb_upload or > just sb_server and use the form on the main page), or there's a script to > print them out in CVS (and will be in 1.1) in the contrib/ directory, or if > you turn on the X-Spambayes-Evidence header they will be there. > > =Tony.Meyer From coupe at u.washington.edu Fri Apr 29 21:51:54 2005 From: coupe at u.washington.edu (James Coupe) Date: Fri Apr 29 21:51:57 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] mac os x install error Message-ID: hi has anyone seen this when installing spam bayes on os x? error: /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/bin/sb_bnfilter.py: Permission denied - james From skip at pobox.com Fri Apr 29 22:53:07 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Apr 29 22:53:13 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] mac os x install error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17010.40627.317754.255174@montanaro.dyndns.org> James> has anyone seen this when installing spam bayes on os x? James> error: James> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/bin/sb_bnfilter.py: James> Permission denied No, but I never use the delivered version of Python, preferring to build my own. Have you tried installing as root? On my machine that directory is owned by root. sudo bash python setup.py install exit Skip From skip at pobox.com Fri Apr 29 23:33:22 2005 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Apr 29 23:33:27 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] mac os x install error In-Reply-To: <17010.40627.317754.255174@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <17010.40627.317754.255174@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <17010.43042.479513.144133@montanaro.dyndns.org> Skip> Have you tried installing as root? I forgot to mention that there are obvious caveats. You might still want to install somewhere else to keep from messing with the system software. I have a ~/local tree then put ~/local/bin in my PATH and make sure ~/local/lib/python is found by python (either by adding it to PYTHONPATH, creating a sitecustomize.py file or sticking a .pth file into a directory that's in sys.path by default). With a similar setup, you can just install like so: python setup.py install --prefix=$HOME/local No rooty-ness required. Skip From coupe at u.washington.edu Sat Apr 30 02:26:06 2005 From: coupe at u.washington.edu (James Coupe) Date: Sat Apr 30 02:26:13 2005 Subject: [Spambayes] mac os x install error In-Reply-To: <17010.43042.479513.144133@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <17010.40627.317754.255174@montanaro.dyndns.org> <17010.43042.479513.144133@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <2e63a9845eba64267dbbf0b96ec09bad@u.washington.edu> skip, thanks for that -- i have managed to install now without error by running as root. but, onto the next problem, now when i try to run the sb_server.py program (from terminal), i get Traceback (most recent call last): File "sb_server.py", line 991, in ? run() File "sb_server.py", line 985, in run start() File "sb_server.py", line 922, in start main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state.launchUI) File "sb_server.py", line 900, in main proxyUI = ProxyUserInterface(state, _recreateState) File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/ python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/ProxyUI.py", line 168, in __init__ proxy_state.lang_manager, AttributeError: State instance has no attribute 'lang_manager' I'm using the 1.0.4 on python 2.3. anyone seen this? -james On 29 Apr 05, at 2:33 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Skip> Have you tried installing as root? > > I forgot to mention that there are obvious caveats. You might still > want to > install somewhere else to keep from messing with the system software. > I > have a ~/local tree then put ~/local/bin in my PATH and make sure > ~/local/lib/python is found by python (either by adding it to > PYTHONPATH, creating a sitecustomize.py file or sticking a .pth file > into a > directory that's in sys.path by default). With a similar setup, you > can > just install like so: > > python setup.py install --prefix=$HOME/local > > No rooty-ness required. > > Skip > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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