From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 1 01:10:38 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 1 01:10:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0 RC 2 does not work with my Outlook 2002 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306F9FD35@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678050@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm running Outlook 2002 (with all updates) on my > Windows NT 4.0 Server (with all updates). It installs > seemingly fine, and I get the normal menu bar. However, > the pull-down SpamBayes menu does not respond to a > mouse click, and the program does not do any filtering > on my Inbox, so it seems completely non-functional. I > installed it again, and it still didn't work. I had > rebooted and restarted Outlook a number of times in > between. > I then re-installed 1.0 RC 1 and all was fine again. > I had also not had the issue with any prior release > (I've been using it for about 6 months). Very odd since there isn't much that changes between 1.0rc1 and 1.0rc2. > If anyone is interested, I'm willing to install again > and collect whatever logs or whatever that is needed, > just tell me what to get... If you could, that would be great. Install, then open Outlook, try to click the SpamBayes button, and then quit Outlook. Then send us your most recent log file (the one called SpamBayes1.log), which is in your temp directory (I don't recall where this is with NT, but the troubleshooting guide has the location, I think). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From michael-engel at ma.dic.co.jp Thu Jul 1 04:05:54 2004 From: michael-engel at ma.dic.co.jp (Michael Engel) Date: Thu Jul 1 04:05:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin database usuable with proxy ? Message-ID: <40E3C5E2.10202@ma.dic.co.jp> Hello I think I have question which might be interesting for the Spambayes FAQ. Unfortunately, I do not have the answer myself. I would be grateful if someone of you could answer it. Until recently, I used MS Outlook together with the SPAMBAYES outlook plugin. But I switched my emailer and I am now using Mozilla Thunderbird. I plan to use the Spambayes proxy. Can I use the database created by the plugin as proxy database ? If yes, what are the names of the databases which I have to move/rename ? I searched for *.db and found in \SpamBayes\ default_bayes_database.db default_message_database.db in \SpamBayes\Proxy\ hammie.db spambayes.messageinfo.db I think such a situation as described above will happen more often and I think question and answer should be included in the FAQ. Best regards Michael Engel From chris at penar.com Thu Jul 1 09:56:12 2004 From: chris at penar.com (Chris) Date: Thu Jul 1 09:57:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Exclusive Magic Items at Denny & Lee's Magic Studio Message-ID: Tony, This message keeps going to my "junk suspects" instead of my "in box". Please advise on how to fix. Thanks, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Denny & Lee eNewsletter [mailto:dennymagic@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:53 PM To: chris@penar.com Subject: Exclusive Magic Items at Denny & Lee's Magic Studio Welcome to the DENNY & LEE MAGIC eNEWSLETTER ====================================================== THINGS YOU WON'T FIND AT OTHER MAGIC SHOPS: Below is a listing of items that you normally won't find at other magic shops. Some items are Denny & Lee Exclusives while others just don't happen to be the latest "hot trick" of the month. Take a look through these items. Also be sure to check out our items on Ebay at the bottom of this list: ======================================================== BOB SHEETS VIDEOS (A DENNY AND LEE EXCLUSIVE) ABSOLUTELY NUTS THREE SHELL GAME VIDEO by Bob Sheets-$30.00 Here is an insider's guide to the three shell game from Bob Sheets. A complete routine with new outs, a new climax, AND a revolutionary new move to show the pea to be gone whenever you wish. Whit Haydn said "Bob's stuff was all new and it fooled me bad!" Phil Cass says "You could take these techniques right to the streets." Bob Kohler says "The aquitment move alone is worth the price of the video." Here is the full routine performed by madman Bob Sheets with all the subtleties and all the jokes. This video is a Denny & Lee Magic Studio exclusive!! IT'S THE RULES DICE ROUTINE VIDEO by Bob Sheets-$25.00 Bob Sheets has finally released his impromptu dice routine. With only two dice, you explain how the spots always add up to seven on both sides. As you explain what can and can't be done, the spots begin changing between your fingers. Highly visual magic done with two ordinary dice. Carry it in your pocket and be ready to entertain anytime, anywhere. This is the working professionals routine for the famous Sachs Dice Routine BUT with a new and deceptive handling that will amaze any audience. The killer climax is really a hoot! Steve Bedwell says "Sheets has outdone himself. This routine is a must for everyone!" Michael Weber says "Killer! The climax is the best!" Here it is complete with full routine, climax, and jokes all performed and taught by Bob Sheets. HANG 'EM HIGH VIDEO, ROPE THROUGH BODY by Bob Sheets-$30.00 Here is the Bob Sheets performance and explanation of "Hang em High", the rope thru the body routine! You saw it on the Travel Channel special, Magic in the Streets. A Full 9 Minute live show performed at Magic Island and Bob's routines for Cards Across, Insomnia, the Idiot Rope Trick and Bob's Rope thru Body "Hang em High". The patter, jokes and touches that have made this routine a stand out winner in Bob's own performance since 1983. A "Tarbell Rope Gimmick" is required to perform the Hang 'em High routine. If you do not have one, we have them here at $5.00 each. ======================================================== ART AND MAGIC by S.H. Sharpe (A DENNY & LEE EXCLUSIVE)-$50.00 Shortly before his death, S.H. Sharpe (author of Neo-Magic Artistry and other classics), completed a book of profound ideas about magic and art. This long awaited collection of over 1000 individual Sharpe thoughts is finally available to inspire and enlighten your magic. Art and Magic also contains amazing additional material by Sharpe, including the complete text of his much sought after "Words of Wonder." 350 hardbound pages in typical, beautiful Miracle Factory style with acid free satin finish paper and full color cover by artist Katlyn Breene. Just read what is being said about this great work: "Sam Sharpe was a magical treasure. As I read these collected thoughts, I was struck by their sheer power and beauty. Never underestimate the power of a single thought and what it can do to change your magic and your life." - EUGENE BURGER "Sharpe will blow your mind with his insights. Art and Magic is a great book for all magicians, any page, any time. It's a book of knowledge, a book of secrets, a book of magic for a new generation" - VITO LUPO ================================================================ THE MAGIC OF MATHIEU BICH: The three MathieU Bich items below are being advertised elsewhere as an "exclusive." Just want to let everyone know that we had the exclusive with Mathieu over a year ago and still have some of the remaining in stock: EASY TWIST by Mathieu Bich-$20.00 Easy Twist is a self working version of the Twisting the Aces plot. The thing that makes this so different is that it really involves no sleights or secret turnovers. You show four cards face down and hold them in a spread position in your hand. Visibly one of the cards turns face up... and I mean VISIBLY. Spectators can actually stare at the four face down cards and it happens instantly. This happens one by one with all four cards until all cards are face up. It all happens in full view and as each card turns over it is handed to the spectator to look at. It is all done by using one very special automatic card created by Mathieu Bich. STARS by Mathieu Bich-$20.00 Mathieu Bich closed his lecture with this unique effect and it was one of the most unusual effects I have seen in years. Magician has three cards selected. He then shows another playing card that has tiny holes punched through the card. A strong flashlight or other portable light is turned on and placed on the table. The card with the holes is placed in front of the light and as the light shines through the tiny holes, it creates little sparkling dots resembling a sky map. This looks very eerie but get ready because the best is yet to come. Slowly these little "stars" begin to twinkle on and off changing patterns and reorganizing themselves. It is seen that the stars have created the initials of the first selected card. The stars begin to move again and create the second card initials. This repeats itself revealing the initials of the third selection. All of this is done with ONE SINGLE CARD!! This really looks terrific with the lights off. STRETCHING by Mathieu Bich-$25.00 Another unusual effect from Mathieu Bich. You offer to show your audience how to "freeze time." Show an ordinary hair band. This is one of those elastic type fuzzy rings that girls wear around their hair. You stretch it a few times back and forth and then extend it one more time and release one end. The hair band remains stretched, suspended in mid air. It can be seen from all angles and even touched by the spectators. Now the hair band begins to return to its original position but IN SLOW MOTION. It's like watching a special effect in a movie. You can repeat the effect instantly. Hair band can be given for examination as it is just an ordinary hair band. This effect is entirely self contained with no switches, threads, magnets. Only one hair band is used and it is perfectly normal. The gimmick does all the work. This is really an unusual thing to watch! ====================================================== FINAL EXAM BOOK TEST by Harvey Berg-$195.00 (A DENNY AND LEE EXCLUSIVE) When Harvey Berg lectured here at the studio, he specifically asked for me to watch this book test. It was amazing. Here is the basic effect: Two books are selected from a stack of paperback classics. Members of the audience call out single digit numbers to create a three digit number. Freely selected spectators then turn to those pages and begin reading silently to themselves. As they read you begin to tell them in considerable detail the paragraph they are reading. Not just a single word but the entire thought or content of the section they are reading to themselves. There are no additional props required. No stooges or accomplices. No electronics, and no moves of any kind. Books can be left in the spectator's hands to be totally examined. No fishing or questions asked. This can be repeated with a totally different outcome. You completely describe their thoughts, characters, descriptions, names of characters, dialogue, or whatever is contained in the lines the y are reading. All readings can be repeated with the same person or with different people. Use the same book or use the other book. Do it close up or on stage for large or small audiences. These two books are specially published books and are entirely self contained and yet examination of the books will reveal nothing!! A great set of two books especially when combined with the Mother of All Book Tests. ========================================================= KAPS/BALDUCCI CARD IN WALLET by Escolano-$110.00 Here is a beautiful card in wallet of the Kaps/Balducci style and is an exclusive item here at Denny & Lee's. These are hand made in Spain by a professional wallet manufacturer as per R. Paul Wilson. An extremely soft brown leather wallet 4" wide and 7" long for the card in wallet effect. Upon opening the wallet, there is a leather flap on the left side and under this flap are slots for credit cards. The right side has sections for other credit cards and a clear pocket for your driver's license. The center of the wallet unzips where the signed card can be found. This wallet comes with instructions by R. Paul Wilson ============================================================= JIMMY "CARDS" MOLINARI ITEMS: LECTURE NOTES VOLUME 1 by Jimmy Molinari-$15.00 Jimmy Molinari, better known as Jimmy Cards, has come from the underground with his card work. This is for the serious card student and is an exclusive here at Denny & Lee's. Jimmy just lectured here for us and his card work is awesome. He is one of the best kept secrets in card magic but will soon be known all over the magic world. These notes are beautifully produced with full color photo illustrations. Contents include Spectator's Choice Assembly, No Glide Restless Colors, Only Your Card Stayed, What Are the Odds, TIC Ten Hand Poker Stack, and the Overhand Cull Shuffle. This stuff is for the more advanced student of card magic and definitely not for the beginners. LECTURE NOTES VOLUME 2 by Jimmy Molinari-$15.00 As in his first set of notes, this advanced card work is fully illustrated with full color photographs. Contents include A Prediction, Four Ace Quickie, Ace Trappers, The Vanishing Four, Computer Card Trick, Big Prediction, and Routined Poker. Again, this material is for the advanced card student only and not for the beginners. Sleights needed and explained are Cull, Cut Force, Second Deal, Charlier Pass, Double Undercut, Hindu Shuffle, KM Move, Slip Cut, Marlo Bluff Pass, Marlo Visual Retention Change, Multiple Turnover, Elmsley Count, OPEC Count, Two Card Push Off, 21 Card Force, False Deals, False Riffle Shuffles, Riffle Stacking. Most of the sleights required are briefly explained as per Jimmy's handling and others are standard moves which are referenced in other books. MOLINARI LECTURE NOTES DVD by Jimmy Molinari-$30.00 (ALSO AVAILABLE ON VHS) Here is the DVD of Jimmy Molinari's lecture #1. Now you can see and hear Jimmy perform and explain all of the effects and sleights in this first lecture book. Contents include Spectator's Choice Assembly, No Glide Restless Colors, Only Your Card Stayed, What Are the Odds, TIC Ten Hand Poker Stack, and the Overhand Cull Shuffle. This stuff is for the more advanced student of card magic and definitely not for the beginners. =================================================================== ED MARLO EXCLUSIVE MATERIALS AT DENNY AND LEE'S: MARLO MAGAZINES VOLUMES ONE & TWO by Ed Marlo-$150.00 In 1975 Ed Marlo began writing the Marlo Magazines. These publications quickly went out of print and have always been highly sought after by card magicians everywhere. In 2001, Muriel Marlo, Ed's widow, authorized Randy Wakeman to reprint only 100 copies of Volumes 1 and 2. We were able to get a few copies of this desirable work on Ed Marlo's Card Magic. These are actual copies of the Marlo Magazines exactly as printed by Ed Marlo. No fancy fonts or binding, just the work as Ed Marlo presented it to the magic community. Volume One consists of 330 pages covering Secret Moves, the K.M. Move, Succession Aces, Oil and Water, Plot Effects, and various discussions on assorted Marlo sleights, additions, improvements, etc. Volume Two consists of 326 pages covering Cannibals, Effects with Golden Touch, Spell of the Cards, Marlo on the Pass, Secret Moves, Plot Effects, Finishing Touches. Over 650 pages of exclusive Marlo material of in-depth study. Only 100 copies of this Marlo set were reproduced. Once sold, there will be no more. MARLO COLLECTION (4 VOLUMES) by Ed Marlo-$150.00 At one time, Ed Marlo released some very exclusive books to the magic community. These books were Card to Wallet (1961), Control Systems (1952), Unexpected Card Book (1974), and Advanced Fingertip Control (1970). By special arrangement with Ed's widow, Muriel Marlo, Randy Wakeman has been authorized to reprint these four books as a package. This is a limited run of only 100 sets available. I have been able to obtain a few sets of these highly sought after Marlo books. 537 pages of exclusive Ed Marlo material. If you are a serious student of card magic, these are a must have for your collection. Once gone, there will be no more. Only 100 sets were printed. =========================================================== TIPS, REAL WORLD IDEAS OF A WORKING MAGICIAN by Eric Henning-$25.00 We are proud to have been selected as the exclusive dealer for this wonderful book. I have known Eric Henning since I first opened this shop and have watched him perform, listened to him speak about magic, and discussed theory with him many times. When I heard he had written a book, I just HAD to read it. And what a book it is!! This is really some of the finest information I have ever read on being a performing magician. Here are the tips that you can ONLY get from years of performing experience. Just read some of these topics: What Laryngitis Taught Me, How to Dress, Racism in Restaurants, Taking Tips, Giving out your Business Card, Networking, Closers, Resetting, Pre-Setting, Hecklers, Being Introduced, Learning to Speak, Empowering Kids, the $100.00 Portable Wireless System, Pocket Management/Too Much Stuff, Packet Tricks, Traveling with Lotions & Potions, and much more. This book contains 30 little essays on the most important things you need to know when workin g walk around. The magic world doesn't need new books on tricks, it needs more books like this one!! This is magic in the real world of performance. ========================================================== EBAY ITEMS BELOW: THE FOLLOWING GREAT BOOKS ARE BEING SOLD ON EBAY: AUCTION ENDS JULY 2ND Here is the link: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=djhaney&i nclude=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 MAX MAVEN/GOLDSTEIN COLOR BOOKS OF MENTALISM These mentalism books have almost become legendary.? A complete set of all five of Phil Goldstein's Color Books of Mentalism.? It is extremely rare to see all five sold as a set.? Red, Yellow, Green, Violet, and Blue books of mentalism.? Max Maven still use this material even today in his shows.? All five books are in excellent condition and are sold as a set only.? I remember seeing the Violet book alone sell for over $300.00 on Ebay a few years ago.? Here is your chance to get the full set. Payment by Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Discover, or Money Order only.? No Paypal please.? Continental US buyers will be charged $6.00 shipping and overseas customers will be charged $15.00 shipping INVISIBLE PASS BOOK by Hugard & Braue Description In 1946, Jean Hugard and Frederick Braue released this fine hardbound book on the Invisible Pass.? This is a full 8 1/2" x 11" hardbound book on high quality paper stock with a full description of the pass accompanied by 14 black and white photo plates as well as 14 line drawings shwoing the technique from all angles.? This is a beautifully done book on the Invisible Pass technique of Hugard & Braue and is in very good condition eventhough it is almost 60 years old.? A fine collector's piece. Payment by Visa, Mastercard, Discover, American Express, or Money Order only.? No PayPal please. Buyer pays $8.00 shipping in Continental US and overseas customers pay $15.00 shipping. AL SCHNEIDER ON COINS by Al Schneider Description In 1975 Al Schneider published this 95 page paperback book on coin magic.? Here was where the "matrix" was first introduced to the magic world.? The book includes 307 black and white photos showing all the coin work as well as the 95 pages of text.? Contents include the Six Properties of Deception, Coin Vanishes, Miscellaneous Moves, Coins Across, Coins Through the Table, Okito Coin Box Routines, Handkerchief & Coin Bits, and Heavy Manipulation.? Eight chapters in all. Buyer pays $8.00 shipping in Continental US and foreign customers pay $15.00 shipping. Payment by Visa, Mastercard, Discover, American Express or Money Order only.? No PayPal please. MIND AND MAGIC OF DAVID BERGLAS When this book was first printed last year, it was so highly sought after, it went out of print in a matter of weeks.? Only 1,000 copies of this book were printed.? This book is brand new and still plastic wrapped from the publisher. Three years in preparation, this 566 page book? has been eagerly awaited.? David Berglas is a renowned, legendary man of mystery.? Here is his book of 50 years of miracles on radio, television, live shows, corporate events, consultant to motion pictures, and more.? Here are some of his finest techniques including the Magic Squares, Newspaper Prediction, Blindfold Routine, Chair Balance, and more.? Revealed for the first time is is Vanishing Piano in a ballroom, Picture Post Challenge, Box Over Regent Street, the Ten Shilling Note, and other routines direct from his one-man show.? Here, also, are the secrets to his famous Any Card at Any Number effect which has baffled magicians for many years.? Sixty-two chapters, a full index, biographical material and personal thoughts from David Berglas.? This is a limited edition of only 1,000 copies.? It will become a classic that will be sought after many years from now. Buyer pays $15.00 shipping in the Continental US and foreign orders pay actual shipping cost, Payment by Visa, Mastercard, Discover, American Express, or Money Orders only.? 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There is a $4.00 S&H fee added to all mail orders ------------------------------------------------------ MAIL: dennymagic@aol.com WEB: http://www.dennymagic.com UNSUBSCRIBE: send a blank email to: unsubscribe-28928529t@in.m1e.net ====================================================== Email list management powered by http://MailerMailer.com From chuckc at lincum.com Thu Jul 1 11:47:18 2004 From: chuckc at lincum.com (Chuckc@lincum.com) Date: Thu Jul 1 11:47:24 2004 Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Spambayes] Configuration of multiple email addresses References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678043@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <006701c45f82$b098af00$6401a8c0@WORKGROUP> Tony; Believe part of first part of your msg got left out, re. " this is how to do it. ???? (WHAT IS exactly right?:) It's exactly right :) You then set your mail client to connect to whichever localhost port matches the server you're after. For example, if you had:" Please fill me in, and THANK YOU for the response! Chuck Cummins chuckc@lincum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Meyer" To: "'Michael Kimball'" ; "'Chuck Cummins'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:07 PM Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Spambayes] Configuration of multiple email addresses [Michael's instructions] > I'm only using one mailserver, so I don't know for sure that > this is how to do it. It's exactly right :) You then set your mail client to connect to whichever localhost port matches the server you're after. For example, if you had: Remote Servers: mail.example.com,mail2.example.com Spambayes Ports: 110,111 Then where you had "mail.example.com" in your mail client, you'd replace it with "localhost" and port 110, and where you had "mail2.example.com" you'd replace it with "localhost" and port 111, and so on. > I don't understand what the smtp configuration is > supposed to be doing, so I have left it alone. This is only used if you want to train by forwarding messages to one of a pair of special addresses. The web-based system is much simpler, really. (And, especially once it's nicely finished up, the pop3dnd drag-and-drop training will be much better). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From ballidis at cox.net Thu Jul 1 12:38:15 2004 From: ballidis at cox.net (ballidis@cox.net) Date: Thu Jul 1 12:38:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: not seeing messages. Message-ID: <20040701163815.TVFR7678.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesService1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 467 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040701/2ff16446/SpamBayesService1.obj -------------- next part -------------- I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc2 (June 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (). I have trained 0 ham and 95 spam. The problem I am having is spam bayes does not find my messages even though I have typed in and cnfigured to read my Pop3 server. I read something about lookoing for local host but cannot find the reference in spam bayes help menu. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 1 19:28:41 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 1 19:29:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin database usuable with proxy ? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA0149@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678057@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Can I use the database created by the plugin as proxy database ? > If yes, what are the names of the databases which I have to > move/rename ? > > I searched for *.db and found in > > \SpamBayes\ > default_bayes_database.db > default_message_database.db > > in > \SpamBayes\Proxy\ > hammie.db > spambayes.messageinfo.db The default_bayes_database.db is the equivalent of hammie.db. You can either rename it to hammie.db, or just go into the web configuration page and type in the path of the default_bayes_database.db file in the "Database location" option. (The two message databases keep track of messages that have been trained, for retraining purposes. These are not usable or required when swapping, so you can ignore those). > I think such a situation as described above will happen more > often and I think question and answer should be included in the FAQ. Usually we wait for questions to be frequently asked before we put them in the FAQ, to try and avoid cluttering it up as much as possible. Certainly if this does get asked frequently, then someone would add it. For the moment, people can just ask here, as you did. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 1 19:30:32 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 1 19:30:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Exclusive Magic Items at Denny & Lee's Magic Studio In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA01F7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678058@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > This message keeps going to my "junk suspects" instead of my > "in box". Please advise on how to fix. [message snipped] The only way to tell is if we see the clues (and their associated scores) that this message contained *on your system*. If you're using Outlook, you just select the message (*before* doing any training on it) and choose "Show spam clues for this message" from the SpamBayes menu. Then send the message that creates to the list, with an explanatory note at the top. If you're not using Outlook, then you need to click the "Clues" link next to the message in the review page, and copy that information into a message to the list. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 1 19:32:15 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 1 19:32:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration of multiple email addresses In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA0245@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678059@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Believe part of first part of your msg got left out, re. > > " this is how to do it. > ???? (WHAT IS exactly right?:) The content of Michael's message was exactly right. If you read his message, you'll get that bit. Here's a link to his message: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 1 19:35:02 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 1 19:36:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: not seeing messages. In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA025E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467805A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have trained 0 ham and 95 spam. Note that this will give terrible results - the only mail you've shown SpamBayes is spam, so any mail it sees will look like spam. Generally it's a good idea to have roughly the same amount of ham and spam trained. > The problem I am having is spam bayes does not find my messages even > though I have typed in and cnfigured to read my Pop3 server. You log indicates that you've setup SpamBayes correctly, so presumably you just haven't made the required change in your mail client. Just open up the settings for your mail client (if you say which one it is we can probably be more explicit) and change it to get mail from "localhost" rather than "pop.west.cox.net". That should be all that's required. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 1 19:36:28 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 1 19:36:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0 RC 2 does not work with my Outlook 2002 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA026E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467805B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Since I have something concrete now, I'll put this in the bug > database... Thanks; I see that you've done this. I'll leave it for Mark, since he knows more about what goes on during the install process. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tim.peters at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 23:19:30 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Jul 1 23:19:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] I'm running into a resource conflict; SpamBayes freezes my system In-Reply-To: <40E2C000.E49D95FE@RBarger.com> References: <40E180B0.F0956685@RBarger.com> <1f7befae040629212076415fd2@mail.gmail.com> <40E2C000.E49D95FE@RBarger.com> Message-ID: <1f7befae04070120194e88715b@mail.gmail.com> [Rich Barger] > Ah, but I wouldn't know what I had or what to do with it even if I > downloaded the source code. While I'm an experienced computer >user<, I'm > certainly not a programmer. That's only because you haven't downloaded Python yet: http://www.python.org/ Python is what SpamBayes is written in, and it's free too. You'll be programming the first day -- perhaps not at a world-class level at first, but at least in America a long weekend is almost upon us . >> But it appears you've already determined that it's really ZoneAlarm freezing >> your system. > Not exactly; that's why I msg'd the SpamBayes group, Tim. I had no idea > whether it was ZoneAlarm causing the problem, or SpamBayes. I just knew they > didn't play nice together. That's right. Once you *are* an experienced Windows programmer, this will be burned into your bones: Observation: When program X and ZoneAlarm are both running, the computer freezes. Conclusion: ZoneAlarm is the cause. I'm only half joking about that one! Replace "ZoneAlarm" with "a virus scanner" and you get another Universal Truth. > ... > Isn't it fun, dealing with users with the gamut of experience from none to > guru? It actually is. You fooled me about which end of that scale you were on, and I do apologize for talking over your head as a result. From Rich at RBarger.com Thu Jul 1 23:53:14 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Thu Jul 1 23:53:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] I'm running into a resource conflict; SpamBayes freezes my system References: <40E180B0.F0956685@RBarger.com> <1f7befae040629212076415fd2@mail.gmail.com> <40E2C000.E49D95FE@RBarger.com> <1f7befae04070120194e88715b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40E4DC2A.AF5E2CD7@RBarger.com> Once again, Tim, many thanks. I'll be coming back with a few Q's in a couple of days. Tim: "I do apologize for talking over your head ..." Which, of course, is very nice and wholly unnecessary. This group -- and your help, and Tony's, and the other folks who've assisted me -- is kick-ass. Thank you. My only complaint: Now you want me to learn Python. Sheesh. Rich Barger Kansas City --- Tim Peters wrote: > [Rich Barger] > > Ah, but I wouldn't know what I had or what to do with it even if I > > downloaded the source code. While I'm an experienced computer >user<, I'm > > certainly not a programmer. > > That's only because you haven't downloaded Python yet: > > http://www.python.org/ > > Python is what SpamBayes is written in, and it's free too. You'll be > programming the first day -- perhaps not at a world-class level at > first, but at least in America a long weekend is almost upon us > . > > >> But it appears you've already determined that it's really ZoneAlarm freezing > >> your system. > > > Not exactly; that's why I msg'd the SpamBayes group, Tim. I had no idea > > whether it was ZoneAlarm causing the problem, or SpamBayes. I just knew they > > didn't play nice together. > > That's right. Once you *are* an experienced Windows programmer, this > will be burned into your bones: > > Observation: When program X and ZoneAlarm are both running, the computer > freezes. > > Conclusion: ZoneAlarm is the cause. > > I'm only half joking about that one! Replace "ZoneAlarm" with "a > virus scanner" and you get another Universal Truth. > > > ... > > Isn't it fun, dealing with users with the gamut of experience from none to > > guru? > > It actually is. You fooled me about which end of that scale you were > on, and I do apologize for talking over your head as a result. From nemeth at sophiawireless.com Fri Jul 2 09:53:35 2004 From: nemeth at sophiawireless.com (David Nemeth) Date: Fri Jul 2 09:51:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Observation Message-ID: Below is a variant of an email that has been getting through a lot recently (perhaps 8 or so variants of this email have gotten through). Usually repetitive emails don't get through for very long. The problem is when I mark it as spam, it latches on to the gibberesh hapaxes on the end, so the next one is not well recognized. >From an algorithm perspective, I wouldn't know how to correct this. Just thought I'd point it out as a "real world" case. 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I sometimes choose, for bandwidth reasons, to download only 'header' information from my POP3 server as this saves downloading crap. It's 99%+ obvious from the header what is spam - but spambayes cannot operate on headers only (outlook is not so great here either) - so have to download the entire messgae anyway to train DB, or alternatively expunge from server using standard outlook function. It would be good if 'Delete as Spam' could register at least the header info as spam tokens, remove from inbox to Spam folder, and mark the message to be deleted form the server on next connect? Understand that Outlook functionality may determine what's possible here. I also suspect that working with headers can cause application bombing out - I have seen this a few times but have not yet got definitve report. Is there a good reference for spambayes-outlook header behaviour/functionality? With heartfelt thanks to all concerned for this superbly professional product and for smoothing ongoing glitches. Great job!!! Thought - The header info is obviously extremely significant. Would it help (is it already possible) to give this header information is more significance than the actual message body? Could such 'header' DB be implemented as in parallel with existing method and correlated somehow!? John Turnbull From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Jul 2 10:17:21 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Jul 2 10:17:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] outlook plugin database usuable with proxy ? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678057@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony Meyer wrote: >> Can I use the database created by the plugin as proxy database ? >> If yes, what are the names of the databases which I have to >> move/rename ? > > The default_bayes_database.db is the equivalent of hammie.db. You > can either rename it to hammie.db, or just go into the web > configuration page and type in the path of the > default_bayes_database.db file in the "Database location" option. You can certainly do this and you will probably get pretty good results. However, because of the strange way that Outlook exposes the e-mail messages to us, the Outlook plug-in and the proxy generate slightly different tokens for the same messages. SpamBayes learns fast, and experience seems to indicate that a smaller training database is often best, so this might be a good excuse to just retrain from scratch in the proxy. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Jul 2 10:27:13 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Jul 2 10:27:21 2004 Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Spambayes] Configuration of multiple email addresses In-Reply-To: <006701c45f82$b098af00$6401a8c0@WORKGROUP> Message-ID: Chuckc@lincum.com wrote: > Tony; > > Believe part of first part of your msg got left out, re. > > " this is how to do it. > ???? (WHAT IS exactly right?:) > It's exactly right :) You then set your mail client to connect to > whichever localhost port matches the server you're after. For > example, if you had:" > > Please fill me in, and THANK YOU for the response! > > Chuck Cummins > chuckc@lincum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Meyer" > To: "'Michael Kimball'" ; "'Chuck > Cummins'" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:07 PM > Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Spambayes] Configuration of multiple email > addresses > > > [Michael's instructions] >> I'm only using one mailserver, so I don't know for sure that >> this is how to do it. > > It's exactly right :) I believe Tony is referring back to Michael's original instructions where he made the comment that he wasn't sure if they were correct. You can find that message archived here: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2004-June/013689.html On the other hand, your original message sounded to me like maybe you have several accounts but all on the same mail server. If that is the case then all you need to do is configure SpamBayes to talk to that one mailserver and then configure each of the accounts in your mail client to talk to SpamBayes on localhost and the port you selected. SpamBayes will simply pass the logon information sent by your mail client on to the mail server, so it should work with as many different accounts as you have on that one server. -- Kenny Pitt From postmaster at acfci.cci.fr Fri Jul 2 10:30:10 2004 From: postmaster at acfci.cci.fr (postmaster@acfci.cci.fr) Date: Fri Jul 2 10:28:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] =?iso-8859-1?q?virus_trouv=E9?= Message-ID: En tant que spambayes@python.org vous avez envoy? un message ? m.poujol@acfci.cci.fr contenant le virus Scenarios/File Detector: A filename matching the file mask was detected: 'message.scr'. Scenarios/Incoming/Sophos: Threat: 'W32/Netsky-P' detected by 'Sophos AV Interface for MIMEsweeper'. . Ce message n'a pas ?t? d?livr? et a ?t? supprim?. From kkenny at filex.com Fri Jul 2 10:45:16 2004 From: kkenny at filex.com (Katie Kenny) Date: Fri Jul 2 10:46:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Problem with "Delete as Spam" button Message-ID: <3ABEF55D2051334EAD60A5B396AB57DA517094@fxcs0007.filex.com> All, This problem re-occurred again just now. I've attached the log in cases this is helpful in tracking down the cause. I'll do the re-training--please let me know if there's anything else I need to do to make sure my database is clean now. Thanks, Katie Kenny Trax Holdings 14500 North Northsight Blvd, Ste 113 Scottsdale, AZ 85260 (480) 556-8705 -----Original Message----- From: Katie Kenny Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 4:53 PM To: 'spambayes@python.org' Subject: RE: [Spambayes] RE: Problem with "Delete as Spam" button I suspect that it may be related to out-of-office reply or requests to send a read receipt. Everything was working fine until I got back from a vacation day. I've seen strange errors related to sending a read receipt--I don't remember any more detail than that. Thanks for your help with this. If you're interested in feedback on the troubleshooting guide, I wasn't sure that retraining the SpamBytes equaled repairing the database. If I had been clear on that, I would have tried that before contacting support. Thanks, Katie Kenny Trax Holdings 14500 North Northsight Blvd, Ste 113 Scottsdale, AZ 85260 (480) 556-8705 -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 4:34 PM To: Katie Kenny; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] RE: Problem with "Delete as Spam" button > My log is below-it looks like you're right > about this being a problem with the database. [...] > Bayes database initialized with 669 spam and 1643 > good messages > *** - message database has 2320 messages - > bayes has 2312 - something is screwey [...] > bsddb._db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: > Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region > error detected; run recovery') Yes, this is definitely a database problem. Unfortunately it's also one for which the only solution is to retrain from scratch (or restore to an old, not corrupted, version of the database, if you happen to have one). We see occasional reports of this problem, but they're very rare, and we don't know what causes them, other than SpamBayes being interrupted in the middle of training (say a loss of power to the computer or Outlook or the computer crashing) or sharing the databases between two computers. This is (now) a rare problem, so it's highly unlikely you'll ever experience it again, but if you do, it's be great if you had any clues about what might have triggered it - various members of the development team have tried everything that they can think of to trigger it without any success. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 11587 bytes Desc: spambayes1.log Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040702/9fea8951/spambayes1-0001.obj From nemeth at sophiawireless.com Fri Jul 2 11:49:55 2004 From: nemeth at sophiawireless.com (David Nemeth) Date: Fri Jul 2 11:47:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Got through - redux Message-ID: David> Below is a variant of an email that has been getting through a David> lot recently (perhaps 8 or so variants of this email have gotten David> through). Usually repetitive emails don't get through for very David> long. The problem is when I mark it as spam, it latches on to David> the gibberesh hapaxes on the end, so the next one is not well David> recognized. Skip> Can you post the clues? It doesn't matter how much gibberish is in the Skip> message. If it's never been seen before it won't have an effect on the Skip> outcome. Here are the clues I got after I deleted it as spam. Combined Score: 100% (1) Internal ham score (*H*): 0 Internal spam score (*S*): 1 # ham trained on: 1402 # spam trained on: 1071 150 Significant Tokens token spamprob #ham #spam 'attempt' 0.0740409 19 1 'up.' 0.145059 32 4 'ncssrmwu' 0.844828 0 1 'ngjzwrm' 0.844828 0 1 'niecpt' 0.844828 0 1 'njwnbbr' 0.844828 0 1 'nkughvno' 0.844828 0 1 'nlckmcxw' 0.844828 0 1 'noljaqk' 0.844828 0 1 'nvntm' 0.844828 0 1 'oborb' 0.844828 0 1 'ocyrvuytn' 0.844828 0 1 'oeadv' 0.844828 0 1 'oelkcechw' 0.844828 0 1 'oftaetc' 0.844828 0 1 'ohzkw' 0.844828 0 1 'ojhhnod' 0.844828 0 1 'ojrik' 0.844828 0 1 'olvcefz' 0.844828 0 1 'opsmxnx' 0.844828 0 1 'oqmpqulko' 0.844828 0 1 'ovyqygb' 0.844828 0 1 'owkmlkbq' 0.844828 0 1 'oyjqf' 0.844828 0 1 'oyzmuo' 0.844828 0 1 'pcekak' 0.844828 0 1 'pcjsqo,' 0.844828 0 1 'pgfyshtlw,' 0.844828 0 1 'pkavswh' 0.844828 0 1 'pkewmzom' 0.844828 0 1 'pkqhwxi' 0.844828 0 1 'poflljsyw-' 0.844828 0 1 'pqwalihs' 0.844828 0 1 'prfez,' 0.844828 0 1 'qdmqx-' 0.844828 0 1 'qdozqrvv' 0.844828 0 1 'qffqaxegm' 0.844828 0 1 'qfzymw' 0.844828 0 1 'qgqaymxxi' 0.844828 0 1 'qhrgod' 0.844828 0 1 'qjeng' 0.844828 0 1 'qjjvmkf' 0.844828 0 1 'qltvwjvlx' 0.844828 0 1 'qmxyzphr' 0.844828 0 1 'qnqtd' 0.844828 0 1 'qvuprsrhs' 0.844828 0 1 'raiegnt' 0.844828 0 1 'rbametas' 0.844828 0 1 'rbjso' 0.844828 0 1 'rcsmk' 0.844828 0 1 'rdzzrz' 0.844828 0 1 'rfhzxuogk' 0.844828 0 1 'rjaxlyfaa' 0.844828 0 1 'rlliqo' 0.844828 0 1 'rmeba' 0.844828 0 1 'rrvejn' 0.844828 0 1 'runkrv' 0.844828 0 1 'rvawuk' 0.844828 0 1 'rvhxwoeoq' 0.844828 0 1 'rzgxdl' 0.844828 0 1 'sacvfym' 0.844828 0 1 'sbnoi' 0.844828 0 1 'scoewpwn.' 0.844828 0 1 'sdqbmcdh' 0.844828 0 1 'sdzti' 0.844828 0 1 'shckbh' 0.844828 0 1 'shields' 0.844828 0 1 'sjfhf' 0.844828 0 1 'sjijxi-' 0.844828 0 1 'splkeiw-' 0.844828 0 1 'stxffxhoy' 0.844828 0 1 'subject:merrily' 0.844828 0 1 'subject:played' 0.844828 0 1 'subject:sun' 0.844828 0 1 'subject:through' 0.844828 0 1 'swhpbof' 0.844828 0 1 'szqiv,' 0.844828 0 1 'takdgpt' 0.844828 0 1 'tfnpge-' 0.844828 0 1 'tihpxdr' 0.844828 0 1 'tklhsprmi-' 0.844828 0 1 'tlieisoqu' 0.844828 0 1 'tmfuhcuur' 0.844828 0 1 'tnrpq' 0.844828 0 1 'toasuhuns' 0.844828 0 1 'tphmpo' 0.844828 0 1 'twnim' 0.844828 0 1 'ulfovrq' 0.844828 0 1 'undqrp' 0.844828 0 1 'uqcnxwoee' 0.844828 0 1 'url:heokarda' 0.844828 0 1 'utekimkw' 0.844828 0 1 'utffrgkca' 0.844828 0 1 'uuigysm' 0.844828 0 1 'uvimc' 0.844828 0 1 'uwvhfotm' 0.844828 0 1 'uzetg.' 0.844828 0 1 'vdsabn' 0.844828 0 1 'vgofrsdsr' 0.844828 0 1 'vgsdwlqi' 0.844828 0 1 'vhnrce' 0.844828 0 1 'vmqobmxw-' 0.844828 0 1 'vpkzxbinh' 0.844828 0 1 'vpwtveikx' 0.844828 0 1 'vrswu' 0.844828 0 1 'vxxbxgtzf' 0.844828 0 1 'vykcvy' 0.844828 0 1 'vywptxw' 0.844828 0 1 'wbhqe' 0.844828 0 1 'wcomnioy' 0.844828 0 1 'wiboz' 0.844828 0 1 'wirnw' 0.844828 0 1 'wkaztnb' 0.844828 0 1 'wnfmf' 0.844828 0 1 'wpebsmrx' 0.844828 0 1 'wujir' 0.844828 0 1 'wvdptrph' 0.844828 0 1 'wwiwpk' 0.844828 0 1 'wxyrbivm' 0.844828 0 1 'xhbzbkpmf' 0.844828 0 1 'xhsnwnj' 0.844828 0 1 'xlxpzuvgl' 0.844828 0 1 'xnmeceob' 0.844828 0 1 'xnqzr' 0.844828 0 1 'xomziza' 0.844828 0 1 'xpwrsmj' 0.844828 0 1 'xudinibdk' 0.844828 0 1 'xwyzancln' 0.844828 0 1 'xzolkhvdg' 0.844828 0 1 'yjvzdvvw' 0.844828 0 1 'ylitiuopl' 0.844828 0 1 'yriwjpb' 0.844828 0 1 'yxponfnae' 0.844828 0 1 'zamgjcf' 0.844828 0 1 'zcmckawn' 0.844828 0 1 'zdavib' 0.844828 0 1 'zdwgnxnva.' 0.844828 0 1 'zfcyj' 0.844828 0 1 'zknjkclc' 0.844828 0 1 'zmyazs' 0.844828 0 1 'zqeyq,' 0.844828 0 1 'zscah' 0.844828 0 1 'zswcj' 0.844828 0 1 'ztccstr-' 0.844828 0 1 'zwcxysq' 0.844828 0 1 'zwmxfsrrp' 0.844828 0 1 'zxogk' 0.844828 0 1 'zxvxkalz.' 0.844828 0 1 'url:info' 0.880939 4 24 'mor' 0.934783 0 3 Message Stream Return-Path: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:30:17 Received: from hc1-7g-u-0451.mc.onolab.com [62.42.97.196] by mail14.webcontrolcenter.com with SMTP; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:30:17 -0700 Received: from szxrj@yp.com.mo by 62.42.97.196 with ahmmt; Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:33:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c45fb3$1035c300$f7a382de@VNDVZXOCSOM> From: "Margaret Shields" To: Subject: sun played merrily through Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:32:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45F91.89242300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 zwmxfsrrp dvltfw dugdaeav wujir mjebdt rrvejn splkeiw- vrswu vywptxw fxftcpvxb olvcefz yriwjpb zknjkclc kwhbnpiix. rbjso qltvwjvlx gbgdgeofs jbanu kmwpxl uqcnxwoee twnim kfmey ekvfprfd- gmpsfezw vxxbxgtzf pkewmzom gruwqgijf- ojrik dnabdrz eneai zdavib prfez, qfzymw This may be our last attempt to contact you, please do not wait
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'vdsabn' 'vgofrsdsr' 'vgsdwlqi' 'vhnrce' 'vmqobmxw-' 'vpkzxbinh' 'vpwtveikx' 'vrswu' 'vxxbxgtzf' 'vykcvy' 'vywptxw' 'wait' 'wbhqe' 'wcomnioy' 'wiboz' 'wirnw' 'wkaztnb' 'wnfmf' 'wpebsmrx' 'wujir' 'wvdptrph' 'wwiwpk' 'wxyrbivm' 'x-mailer:microsoft outlook express 6.00.2800.1409' 'xhbzbkpmf' 'xhsnwnj' 'xlxpzuvgl' 'xnmeceob' 'xnqzr' 'xomziza' 'xpwrsmj' 'xudinibdk' 'xwyzancln' 'xzolkhvdg' 'yjvzdvvw' 'ylitiuopl' 'you,' 'your' 'yours' 'yriwjpb' 'yxponfnae' 'zamgjcf' 'zcmckawn' 'zdavib' 'zdwgnxnva.' 'zfcyj' 'zknjkclc' 'zmyazs' 'zqeyq,' 'zscah' 'zswcj' 'ztccstr-' 'zwcxysq' 'zwmxfsrrp' 'zxogk' 'zxvxkalz.' From george_clifford at agilent.com Fri Jul 2 14:39:37 2004 From: george_clifford at agilent.com (george_clifford@agilent.com) Date: Fri Jul 2 14:39:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] lost "recover from spam" button Message-ID: <65213341217E8D458E7C78E6640C74958E8956@waglmb01.labs.agilent.com> Yes, I've read your troubleshooting page and didn't find an answer. I've lost my "recover from spam" button on Outlook 2000. How do I get it back? I've reinstalled Spambayes with your latest version. George From bob at audiorents.com Fri Jul 2 19:33:30 2004 From: bob at audiorents.com (Robert Burton) Date: Fri Jul 2 19:33:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot teach Spambayes, DB _RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery' Message-ID: <000001c4608c$fe509b80$0a0110ac@UNIVAC> I can no longer teach my Spambayes proxy. It is running on a Win 2000 machine. When I try to teach it from the web interface, locally or on another machine, I get the following error: Spambayes Web Interface: Home > Review 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 461, in found_terminator File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 391, in onReview File "spambayes\Corpus.pyc", line 214, in takeMessage File "spambayes\FileCorpus.pyc", line 140, in addMessage File "spambayes\Corpus.pyc", line 134, in addMessage File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 588, in onAddMessage File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 596, in train File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 273, in learn File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 384, in _add_msg File "spambayes\storage.pyc", line 281, in _wordinfoset File "shelve.pyc", line 130, in __setitem__ File "bsddb\__init__.pyc", line 120, in __setitem__ DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') How do I run the database recovery? I have not been able to find out on my own. Thank you. Robt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040702/81ae386e/attachment.html From brian at bmthomas.com Sat Jul 3 00:55:49 2004 From: brian at bmthomas.com (Brian Thomas) Date: Sat Jul 3 00:55:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] documentation assistance Message-ID: <200407030455.i634tnGJ023688@rs13.luxsci.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3735 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040702/e82040d1/smime.bin From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jul 3 02:54:19 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jul 3 02:54:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot teach Spambayes, DB _RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error,run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery' In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA05F7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467806F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I can no longer teach my Spambayes proxy. [...] > DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: > Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal > region error detected; run recovery') This means that the database is corrupt, unfortunately. The only solution is to retrain from scratch (or replace the database with a backup, if there is one). To do this, just delete the two database files (probably called hammie.db and spambayes.messageinfo.db). Database corruption is (now) fairly rare, and we don't know what causes the remaining cases. It's unlikely that this will happen again, but if you have any clues about why it may have (e.g. power loss during training), we would be interested in hearing them. Note that the corruption can occur quite some time (i.e. days) before the error message appears. > How do I run the database recovery? The error message is misleading (it's from the underlying database package). The recovery program is no use in this case, unfortunately. In the long term, we hope to move to a different database system, that doesn't have these problems. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jul 3 02:58:51 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jul 3 02:58:58 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] lost "recover from spam" button In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA056E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678070@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I've lost my "recover from spam" button on Outlook 2000. How > do I get it back? 1. Check that you're definitely in the right folder. Go into the SpamBayes Manager dialog, then the "Filtering" tab, and click the "Browse" button next to the spam folder. Check the folder hierarchy to make sure you know exactly which folder is the spam folder. Then use Outlook to open that folder, and check to see if the button is there. 2. Check that it's not simply hidden by Outlook. Outlook hides buttons that don't fit - you'll see little down arrows at the end of the toolbar, and clicking those will show the button. 3. Try deleting the toolbar and restarting Outlook. The toolbar will be automatically recreated. If none of these help, please send us a copy of your most recent log file. The troubleshooting guide explains where to find the logs. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jul 3 03:24:30 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jul 3 03:24:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Problem with "Delete as Spam" button In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA04F0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678071@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I've attached the > log in cases this is helpful in tracking down the cause. Thanks. > I'll do the re-training--please let me know if there's > anything else I need to do to make sure my database is clean now. As long as you have the "Rebuild entire database" box ticked, then that's it. BTW, I'll update the troubleshooting guide when I get a chance to make it more clear that this fixes this sort of problem, as you recommended - thanks! =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From info at amnesty.or.jp Sat Jul 3 09:24:42 2004 From: info at amnesty.or.jp (info@amnesty.or.jp) Date: Sat Jul 3 09:21:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] =?iso-8859-1?q?=DFdo0=DFi4grjj40j09gjijgp=FCd=E9?= Message-ID: 9u049u89gh89fsdpokofkdpbm3?4i -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this message in error, please advise the sender and then delete this message and any attachments immediately. From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Sat Jul 3 17:25:53 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Sat Jul 3 17:26:03 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2002 headers - behaviour Message-ID: Without deep-diving into the concepts here, here's my take on John's mail: I also work with headers-only mode (Start Outlook with 'work offline' mode, then periodically connect to Exchange server using Tools->Remote mail). I do that when I'm connected from home. So, when I see a header which is 100% spam, I simply delete it. In the remote mail mode, deleting a mail header tells the Exchange server to delete the mail when I reconnect. Downside: I don't train SB with that message. Upside: I save time & bandwidth - the message never gets downloaded and does not get processed by either SB or Outlook rules. I prefer this rather than teaching SB another variant of spam (which I get enough anyway when I am online). Just my $0.02. Amir -----Original Message----- From: John Turnbull [mailto:j.h.turnbull@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 17:14 To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Outllok 2002 headers - behaviour Outlook binary addin 1.0RC1.0 Outllok 2002+ has the functionality to operate with headers. I sometimes choose, for bandwidth reasons, to download only 'header' information from my POP3 server as this saves downloading crap. It's 99%+ obvious from the header what is spam - but spambayes cannot operate on headers only (outlook is not so great here either) - so have to download the entire messgae anyway to train DB, or alternatively expunge from server using standard outlook function. It would be good if 'Delete as Spam' could register at least the header info as spam tokens, remove from inbox to Spam folder, and mark the message to be deleted form the server on next connect? Understand that Outlook functionality may determine what's possible here. I also suspect that working with headers can cause application bombing out - I have seen this a few times but have not yet got definitve report. Is there a good reference for spambayes-outlook header behaviour/functionality? With heartfelt thanks to all concerned for this superbly professional product and for smoothing ongoing glitches. Great job!!! Thought - The header info is obviously extremely significant. Would it help (is it already possible) to give this header information is more significance than the actual message body? Could such 'header' DB be implemented as in parallel with existing method and correlated somehow!? John Turnbull _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From bob at audiorents.com Sat Jul 3 17:53:03 2004 From: bob at audiorents.com (Robert Burton) Date: Sat Jul 3 17:53:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot teach Spambayes, DB _RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error,run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery' Message-ID: <013201c46148$20d1b390$0a0110ac@UNIVAC> Thank you for your prompt reply. I re-read the FAQ's right after I posted my message and saw that the subject had already been covered. Now I feel like a fool for bothering you about something you already covered. We use Spambayes in a small office. There are about 15 incoming email Accounts. 5 of them are "inactive" in that the people have left. I set up a rule in Outlook to automatically forward any mail received by these accounts back to the Spambayes server to be trained as spam. Sort of an "auto-teach" function, as all the email to these accounts was spam anyway, why not have them do something useful. It was a short time after that that the problem occurred. I had tried this on an earlier version of Spambayes, and it caused Spambayes to crash, so I thought I would try it on the new version and I got the DB_REVOVERY error. I wonder if the problems might be related? I tried to change to a pickle on the earlier version, but kept getting errors. I don't really understand pickles. I might try doing that again. Robt. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:54 PM To: 'Robert Burton'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Cannot teach Spambayes, DB _RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error,run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery' > I can no longer teach my Spambayes proxy. [...] > DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: > Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal > region error detected; run recovery') This means that the database is corrupt, unfortunately. The only solution is to retrain from scratch (or replace the database with a backup, if there is one). To do this, just delete the two database files (probably called hammie.db and spambayes.messageinfo.db). Database corruption is (now) fairly rare, and we don't know what causes the remaining cases. It's unlikely that this will happen again, but if you have any clues about why it may have (e.g. power loss during training), we would be interested in hearing them. Note that the corruption can occur quite some time (i.e. days) before the error message appears. > How do I run the database recovery? The error message is misleading (it's from the underlying database package). The recovery program is no use in this case, unfortunately. In the long term, we hope to move to a different database system, that doesn't have these problems. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From j.h.turnbull at btinternet.com Sat Jul 3 19:59:13 2004 From: j.h.turnbull at btinternet.com (John Turnbull) Date: Sat Jul 3 19:59:18 2004 Subject: FW: [Spambayes] Outlook 2002 headers - behaviour Message-ID: <003801c46159$bf4ee9a0$574a8351@xanadu> Thanks for feedback Amir. My thinking is to avoid having to 'manually' flag spam!? -----Original Message----- From: Katz, Amir [mailto:Amir_Katz@bmc.com] Sent: 03 July 2004 22:26 To: John Turnbull Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 2002 headers - behaviour Without deep-diving into the concepts here, here's my take on John's mail: I also work with headers-only mode (Start Outlook with 'work offline' mode, then periodically connect to Exchange server using Tools->Remote mail). I do that when I'm connected from home. So, when I see a header which is 100% spam, I simply delete it. In the remote mail mode, deleting a mail header tells the Exchange server to delete the mail when I reconnect. Downside: I don't train SB with that message. Upside: I save time & bandwidth - the message never gets downloaded and does not get processed by either SB or Outlook rules. I prefer this rather than teaching SB another variant of spam (which I get enough anyway when I am online). Just my $0.02. Amir -----Original Message----- From: John Turnbull [mailto:j.h.turnbull@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 17:14 To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Outllok 2002 headers - behaviour Outlook binary addin 1.0RC1.0 Outllok 2002+ has the functionality to operate with headers. I sometimes choose, for bandwidth reasons, to download only 'header' information from my POP3 server as this saves downloading crap. It's 99%+ obvious from the header what is spam - but spambayes cannot operate on headers only (outlook is not so great here either) - so have to download the entire messgae anyway to train DB, or alternatively expunge from server using standard outlook function. It would be good if 'Delete as Spam' could register at least the header info as spam tokens, remove from inbox to Spam folder, and mark the message to be deleted form the server on next connect? Understand that Outlook functionality may determine what's possible here. I also suspect that working with headers can cause application bombing out - I have seen this a few times but have not yet got definitve report. Is there a good reference for spambayes-outlook header behaviour/functionality? With heartfelt thanks to all concerned for this superbly professional product and for smoothing ongoing glitches. Great job!!! Thought - The header info is obviously extremely significant. Would it help (is it already possible) to give this header information is more significance than the actual message body? Could such 'header' DB be implemented as in parallel with existing method and correlated somehow!? John Turnbull _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 4 02:14:42 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 4 02:14:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot teach Spambayes, DB _RUNRECOVERY: Fatalerror,run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery' In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA07D9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02C0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I re-read the FAQ's right after I posted > my message and saw that the subject had already been covered. > Now I feel like a fool for bothering you about something you > already covered. Don't worry about it :) > I set up a rule in Outlook to automatically forward any mail > received by these accounts back to the Spambayes server to be > trained as spam. > > Sort of an "auto-teach" function, as all the email to these > accounts was spam anyway, why not have them do something useful. > > It was a short time after that that the problem occurred. If this is happening while the database is being used by something else (an open copy of Outlook, for example), it will almost certainly cause problems. Neither the bsddb or pickle storage options can handle concurrent access. The two SQL options might, but are rarely used (AFAIK), and I don't know for sure. Hopefully this will be addressed when we manage to find a better underlying database option. > I tried to change to a pickle on the earlier version, but kept getting > errors. I don't really understand pickles. I might try > doing that again. This might have been because there was already a non-pickle database there. Try changing but deleting the existing database files before you open up Outlook and see if that works. Note that with a pickle you won't get the database corruption, but concurrency won't work as expected either. Each process accessing the db keeps it in memory and saves it to disk as necessary - so if two processes have it open, then the version on disk will be the same as whoever saved last, not the same as both. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 4 02:23:19 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 4 02:23:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] possible spambayes bug In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306F9FF5D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678078@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > When I set an account to "Leave a copy of messages > on server" and "Remove from server when deleted > from "Deleted Items" > So I can pick up my "saved" mail from my server > at a later time. The Email / Spam I have Deleted > from both my SpamBayes Spam Directory and my Deleted > Items, still stays on the server. This is the same as this bug report: [ 773364 ] "Delete From Server" doesn't work on filtered mail You can add comments there if you like, although it doesn't seem that more are needed. More usefully, you can track that report to see when it gets fixed. This won't be before 1.0, but shouldn't be too much after that (assuming it's not overly complicated to fix). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 4 02:25:27 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 4 02:25:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306E92B80@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678079@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I get the below dialog box every time I start outlook. > Didn't happen with the 1.0a9 [Outlook experienced a problem with the plug-in dialog] You could try 1.0rc2, although I don't think anything changed that would effect this. What happens if you open without disabling SpamBayes? Does Outlook experience a serious error? Could you send us a copy of your most recent log file? The troubleshooting guide explains where to find this. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 4 02:29:11 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 4 02:29:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Post install problems In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306C37B08@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467807A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am running WIN XP Pro and Office XP. After > installing SpamBayes today, Outlook has failed > to start without a "severe problem" warning, followed > by a choice to start outlook in safe mode or close it. > Nothing else has changed in my system except the > addtion of SpamBayes. I have not tried unistalling > it to see if the problem is corrected. I presume you have by now (sorry about the delay - we've all been very busy recently). Did this fix the problem? Could you send us a copy of your most recent log file? The troubleshooting guide explains where to find that (a copy is normally available from the SpamBayes toolbar, which you can't get to, of course, but is also available by looking in the directory that SpamBayes was installed into, or on our website (on the documentation page)). > During installation of SB, it was noted that an > installation of outlook was not detected, although > outlook is installed. Is there anything unusual about the Outlook install? Were you installing with a user account or administrator? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 4 02:39:47 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 4 02:39:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] looked at the FAQs In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306C36E92@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467807C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Sorry about the delay in reply - we've all been very busy recently] > I have emails that are spam but were not caught by spambayes. > When I click on 'delete as spam' and try to get rid of them, > they go nowhere. Each and every time I open up Outlook they are > still sitting there, grayed out as having been read, but still > there. We need to see your log file to figure out what is going wrong. Please try doing this again (to get the log entry) and then send us a copy of your most recent log file. The troubleshooting guide explains how to find the log files. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 4 02:41:54 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 4 02:42:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] install question In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306C36E97@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467807D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Sorry about the delay in replying; we've all been fairly busy recently.] > I downloaded spambayes, but had some other problems, > so I uninstalled it and went to download it again, > the download goes fine but when I open up outlook, > the install wizard does not open. I have even gone to > tools, options, other, advance other, COM add-in and > checked the spambayes box. But that box does not stay > checked. What am I doing wrong? What version of SpamBayes is this? What version of Outlook is this? If it's Outlook 2002 (XP) or 2003 you could check to see if it's listed in the "Disabled Items" list (Help->About Microsoft Outlook->Disabled Items). Do you get a SpamBayes log file created? (The troubleshooting guide explains where to find that). If so, could you send us a copy? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 4 02:45:21 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 4 02:45:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FAILED to add the toolbar item'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.' In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306E93100@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467807E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I had done everything except deleting outcmd.dat. I just > did this and it did not fix it. I appreciate your time. > I love spambayes and would like to get this solved. I'm rather stumped. You could try 1.0rc2, although I'm not sure that would do anything to help. Otherwise the only thing I can think of is to open a bug report at sourceforge: And Mark will take a look at it when he can - he might have more ideas about what is going wrong. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Sun Jul 4 03:46:10 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Sun Jul 4 03:59:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2002 headers - behaviour Message-ID: John, I agree with your view, but since you're examining the headers anyway, and since you must act on each header (mark for retrieval/deletion), you can, for the same amount of effort, mark the header for deletion. The real solution, of course, is server-side filtering, but then you risk losing mails which are not spam to you but are to the server. Since my ultimate goal is getting rid of maximum spam in minimal time/effort, I prefer to delete the headers. "Why do they say, 'a penny for your thought' but then 'just my 2 cents' worth'? Someone is making a penny here" [Steven Wright] -----Original Message----- From: John Turnbull [mailto:j.h.turnbull@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 02:57 To: 'Katz, Amir' Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 2002 headers - behaviour Thanks for comment Amir. My thinking is to avoid having to 'manually' flag spam!? -----Original Message----- From: Katz, Amir [mailto:Amir_Katz@bmc.com] Sent: 03 July 2004 22:26 To: John Turnbull Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 2002 headers - behaviour Without deep-diving into the concepts here, here's my take on John's mail: I also work with headers-only mode (Start Outlook with 'work offline' mode, then periodically connect to Exchange server using Tools->Remote mail). I do that when I'm connected from home. So, when I see a header which is 100% spam, I simply delete it. In the remote mail mode, deleting a mail header tells the Exchange server to delete the mail when I reconnect. Downside: I don't train SB with that message. Upside: I save time & bandwidth - the message never gets downloaded and does not get processed by either SB or Outlook rules. I prefer this rather than teaching SB another variant of spam (which I get enough anyway when I am online). Just my $0.02. Amir -----Original Message----- From: John Turnbull [mailto:j.h.turnbull@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 17:14 To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Outllok 2002 headers - behaviour Outlook binary addin 1.0RC1.0 Outllok 2002+ has the functionality to operate with headers. I sometimes choose, for bandwidth reasons, to download only 'header' information from my POP3 server as this saves downloading crap. It's 99%+ obvious from the header what is spam - but spambayes cannot operate on headers only (outlook is not so great here either) - so have to download the entire messgae anyway to train DB, or alternatively expunge from server using standard outlook function. It would be good if 'Delete as Spam' could register at least the header info as spam tokens, remove from inbox to Spam folder, and mark the message to be deleted form the server on next connect? Understand that Outlook functionality may determine what's possible here. I also suspect that working with headers can cause application bombing out - I have seen this a few times but have not yet got definitve report. Is there a good reference for spambayes-outlook header behaviour/functionality? With heartfelt thanks to all concerned for this superbly professional product and for smoothing ongoing glitches. Great job!!! Thought - The header info is obviously extremely significant. Would it help (is it already possible) to give this header information is more significance than the actual message body? Could such 'header' DB be implemented as in parallel with existing method and correlated somehow!? John Turnbull _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Sun Jul 4 03:56:39 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Sun Jul 4 04:05:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SB plugin question - Spam probability field in 'Unsure' folder Message-ID: In a recent exchange in the list I was told to examine the spam score on each message in the 'unsure' folder and then act on the message depending on the value. However, as far as I can see, the header field 'spam' is only available in the 'spam' folder and not in the 'Unsure' folder. I think it's documented somewhere, but I can't find it. Thanks Amir -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Furthermore, I can't find any configuration file in any of the directories, even the hidden ones. I'm trying to setup Spambayes on my Mac OS X 10.3. I just installed Python 2.3 which I just downloaded. If I start python in the terminal, it says version 2.3-1. If I start sb_server.py, I get the following message: You do not have a dbm module available to use. You need to either use a pickle (see the FAQ), use Python 2.3 (or above), or install a dbm module such as bsddb (see http://sf.net/projects/pybsddb). Loading database... If I try to install the pybsddb, I get an error message saying: Can't find a local BerkeleyDB installation. (suggestion: try the --berkeley-db=/path/to/bsddb option) So I'm a bit confused. What should I do? Roger From j.h.turnbull at btinternet.com Sun Jul 4 15:10:24 2004 From: j.h.turnbull at btinternet.com (John Turnbull) Date: Sun Jul 4 15:10:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SB plugin question - Spam probability field in 'Unsure'folder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c461fa$905fc410$44498351@xanadu> refer to section from the SB "Installing and Configuring' doc i.e. 'SpamBayes\docs\outlook\about.html##Installing_and_Configuring.htm' Viewing and Using the Spam Score Field A custom property named Spam is added to all Outlook messages scored, but Outlook does not allow us to automatically add this to your views. However, you can teach Outlook to display this field as a column in any table view, like the standard Messages view. This takes some work, and has to be done again for every folder in which you want to display a Spam column - typically this will be all folders you are filtering, and your Spam and Unsure folders. Perform the following steps While looking at an Outlook table view (like Messages), right-click on the line with column headers (From, Subject, To, Received, ...). In the context menu that pops up, click on Field Chooser. A box with title Field Chooser pops up. In the drop-down list at the top of the Field Chooser window, select User Defined Fields Below the drop-down, you should see a rectangular button with a Spam label . This should be automatically created for all folders managed by the system, but if it does not appear, you will need to add it yourself. To do this, perform the following steps In the lower left corner of the Field Chooser box, click New.... A box with title New Field pops up. In the Name: box, type Spam. In the Type: dropdown list, select Percent. This is the third choice in the dropdown list. Do not select any other format -- it won't work. The Format: select the first entry in the list - "Rounded". The Field Chooser should now look like the first image on the right. Click OK in the New Field box. Now you're back in the Field Chooser box, with a new Spam button shown, as the second figure shows. Use your mouse to drag the Spam button to the column header position where you want to see the Spam column. You don't have to be precise here -- you can rearrange or resize the column later just by dragging it around. You're done! Close the Field Chooser box -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Katz, Amir Sent: 04 July 2004 08:57 To: Spambayes mailing list (E-mail) Subject: [Spambayes] SB plugin question - Spam probability field in 'Unsure'folder In a recent exchange in the list I was told to examine the spam score on each message in the 'unsure' folder and then act on the message depending on the value. However, as far as I can see, the header field 'spam' is only available in the 'spam' folder and not in the 'Unsure' folder. I think it's documented somewhere, but I can't find it. Thanks Amir -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040704/2d1612a8/attachment.html From papaDoc at videotron.ca Sun Jul 4 15:30:20 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Sun Jul 4 15:30:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] documentation assistance In-Reply-To: <200407030455.i634tnGJ023688@rs13.luxsci.com> References: <200407030455.i634tnGJ023688@rs13.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <40E85ACC.2010404@videotron.ca> Hi Brian, > I have been using SpamBayes for over a year and I recommended it > everyone. It?s a solid product worth a purchase price; because it?s free > software I would like to offer my help in writing user or training > documentation for Spambayes Outlook and/or Spambayes Linux. I am > well-versed in the setup and tweaking of Spambayes and I would enjoy > being able to contribute. You are welcome ;-) Since most of the programmer of Spambayes are "programmer" the documentation is not very good. What you can do is write some stuff then you can submit it as a patch (even if this is a complete new file). You can also discuss your change on the devel mailing list. Remi From administrator at jassouthafrica.com Sun Jul 4 15:51:43 2004 From: administrator at jassouthafrica.com (administrator@jassouthafrica.com) Date: Sun Jul 4 15:51:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] McAfee GroupShield Alert Message-ID: <000001c46200$549b6a50$0300a8c0@jassouthafrica.com> McAfee GroupShield? Alert McAfee GroupShield discovered a problem with the following email. See your system administrator for further information. Date/Time sent: 04 Jul 2004 21:51:43 Subject line: Spam From: spambayes@python.org To: Creative I. T. Services Action taken: Replaced Reason: File Filter Rule Group: Filter Copyright ? 1993-2003, Networks Associates Technology, Inc. All Rights Reserved. http://www.mcafeesecurity.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040704/1e079559/attachment.html From mbarrett1 at charter.net Sun Jul 4 16:54:48 2004 From: mbarrett1 at charter.net (Melita and Mike) Date: Sun Jul 4 16:48:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes error message when trying to load Message-ID: <000001c46209$253a4520$0200a8c0@mikeicb4rseta2> When Outlook 2002 tries to load spambayes after re-installing SEVERAL times ( and deleting all registry entries) I get an error mssg: ?Application has asked Runtime to terminate in an unusual manner?. I have been unable to get spambayes to load at all. Windows XP Pro, all SP components and updates installed. Spambayes ran fine for a while. NO logfiles indicating a problem. Any Ideas? Thanks Mike --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.710 / Virus Database: 466 - Release Date: 6/23/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040704/ce9e8f43/attachment.html From h.beijeman at phys.uu.nl Sun Jul 4 19:01:16 2004 From: h.beijeman at phys.uu.nl (beijeman) Date: Sun Jul 4 19:01:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important: new feature! In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02BB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <000001c4621a$cf8ecad0$6402a8c0@cc656203a> Dear Meyer, I understand what you're saying, and I've re-trained spambayes on equal numbers of HAM and SPAM, 300 each. Yet, it still has a tendency to classify some HAM as spam. A significant percentage is like maybe 25% of my regular announcement mail gets spamflagged... Perhaps I have a better solution: I have a lot of mailtraffic from the local university network and a lot of correspondence, announcements etc arrive from addresses with the "phys.uu.nl" suffix. Surely it must be possible to exclude messages whose returnaddress contain that string (or other certified addresses) from further processing by spambayes? Thank you very much for your time!! H. Beijeman. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: donderdag 1 juli 2004 1:30 To: 'beijeman'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Important: new feature! > I checked the "Show Spam Clues" on several of these > cases and it appears that only some specific tokens > are responsible. It would be very convenient to have > direct access to the token-database and delete these > troublesome cases. This is not nearly as simple as it sounds: 1. There's no guarantee that this would work. Maybe eliminating those tokens would simply make room for others that would have the same effect. 2. Tokens don't stand alone - they arrive and leave in 'bags' (one email's worth). If you later untrained on an email that contained one of these tokens, things would break. 3. Ongoing training would mean that these tokens simply reappeared later, anyway, so you'd have to be continually editing the database. Can you perhaps identify the messages that these problematic tokens are coming from? Maybe things would be better if you simply didn't train on those messages? What is a "significant percentage", anyway? Maybe you've mistrained a message at some point? That would also explain the problem. You could try retraining from scratch. > In addition, it would be nice to have some exclude list. Please see FAQ 6.6: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com Sun Jul 4 20:06:14 2004 From: TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com (Mathew Hendry) Date: Sun Jul 4 20:07:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: SB plugin question - Spam probability field in 'Unsure'folder References: <000001c461fa$905fc410$44498351@xanadu> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 20:10:24 +0100, "John Turnbull" wrote: >refer to section from the SB "Installing and Configuring' doc i.e. >'SpamBayes\docs\outlook\about.html##Installing_and_Configuring.htm' > >... >This takes some work, and has to be done again for every folder in which >you want to display a Spam column - typically this will be all folders >you are filtering, and your Spam and Unsure folders. >... A quicker way is to define an Outlook "view" with a spam column, and apply that view to all the folders you're interested in. -- Mat. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 4 21:23:45 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 4 21:23:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SB plugin question - Spam probability field in 'Unsure'folder In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA08BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678082@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > However, as far as I can see, the header field 'spam' > is only available in the 'spam' folder and not in the > 'Unsure' folder. I think it's documented somewhere, > but I can't find it. Which version are you using? I vaguely recall something about this being fixed recently, so you might need 1.0rc1 or 1.0rc2 for it to work properly. (The general instructions for adding the spam field are in the SpamBayes->Help->About SpamBayes page, if that's what you were after). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 4 21:23:46 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 4 21:23:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Lost folders In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA08C6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678081@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I accidentally deleted the folders holding junk and suspect > emails. Spambayes implies that the data is still available- > how do I re-instate these folders without losing the data? Please see FAQ 3.13: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From michael-engel at ma.dic.co.jp Mon Jul 5 01:00:01 2004 From: michael-engel at ma.dic.co.jp (Michael Engel) Date: Mon Jul 5 00:59:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] German porn spam Message-ID: <40E8E051.6000403@ma.dic.co.jp> just a comment: recently, I get a lot of porn spam written in German. always, there is real "story" with the link and no simple collection of words I had to set the spam cut-off to 0.4 to get rid of it. Fortunately, my ham mail mostly is 0 to 0.01 cheers Michael p.s. I would be happy to collect and provide samples if someone of the developpers need it. From cf_105_rl206 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 5 05:15:34 2004 From: cf_105_rl206 at hotmail.com (AvroLand) Date: Mon Jul 5 05:15:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] stupid question Message-ID: <01cb01c46270$a0ba0020$bb7ba8c0@avrolandp4> I know I have seen a place within Spambayes to customize the ?--- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (HYPERLINK "http://www.grisoft.com/"http://www.grisoft.com). 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Name: data14457.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29885 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/b294671f/data14457.obj From frutasromero at oem.es Tue Jul 6 08:33:49 2004 From: frutasromero at oem.es (frutasromero@oem.es) Date: Tue Jul 6 08:33:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: corrected Message-ID: <20040706063313.D68301E4008@bag.python.org> I have attached your document. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: data.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29840 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/e5e5ddd5/data-0001.obj From NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com Tue Jul 6 08:34:31 2004 From: NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com (System Attendant) Date: Tue Jul 6 08:34:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting. Message-ID: ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = export@witors.it Recipient(s) = spambayes@python.org Subject = [Spambayes] Mail Delivery failure (spambayes@python.org) Scanning Time = 07/05/2004 23:34:29 Engine/Pattern = 7.000-1004/929 Action on message: The attachment data14457.zip contained WORM_NETSKY.Q virus. ScanMail has taken the Deleted action. Warning, ScanMail has detected a virus in an email sent to you. This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this message in error, please advise the sender and then delete this message and any attachments immediately. From topgarage at bluewin.ch Tue Jul 6 09:36:06 2004 From: topgarage at bluewin.ch (topgarage@bluewin.ch) Date: Tue Jul 6 09:35:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Question Message-ID: <20040706073523.77E361E4008@bag.python.org> I have attached the sample. ++++ Attachment: No Virus found ++++ Norton AntiVirus - www.symantec.de -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: doc01.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29840 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/3f4810fc/doc01.obj From 3caaae81.9090209 at agenmar.com Tue Jul 6 10:30:57 2004 From: 3caaae81.9090209 at agenmar.com (3caaae81.9090209@agenmar.com) Date: Tue Jul 6 10:31:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Message Error Message-ID: <20040706083105.5472F1E4008@bag.python.org> Please confirm my request. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this message in error, please advise the sender and then delete this message and any attachments immediately. From NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com Tue Jul 6 10:51:28 2004 From: NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com (System Attendant) Date: Tue Jul 6 10:51:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting. Message-ID: ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = juser@isp.com Recipient(s) = spambayes@python.org Subject = [Spambayes] Re: Question Scanning Time = 07/06/2004 01:51:27 Engine/Pattern = 7.000-1004/929 Action on message: The attachment document04.zip contained WORM_NETSKY.P virus. ScanMail has taken the Deleted action. Warning, ScanMail has detected a virus in an email sent to you. This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this message in error, please advise the sender and then delete this message and any attachments immediately. From MAILER-DAEMON at wanadoo.fr Tue Jul 6 10:58:05 2004 From: MAILER-DAEMON at wanadoo.fr (Mail Delivery System) Date: Tue Jul 6 10:58:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Message-ID: <20040706085805.C52E518001AF@mwinf1004.wanadoo.fr> This is the SMTP Server program at host wanadoo.fr. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The SMTP Server program wanadoo.fr platform: can't deliver, user not found -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type message/delivery-status-------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: spambayes@python.org Subject: product Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:58:03 +0200 Size: 5191 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/06477004/attachment.mht From nb at oliver-scherer.de Tue Jul 6 11:16:08 2004 From: nb at oliver-scherer.de (Oliver Scherer) Date: Tue Jul 6 11:16:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] how to reset the config password? Message-ID: Hello all, Win2000 server sp4 Pop3proxy 1.0rc2 i hope you can help me. I installed the spambayes proxy and configured a secure password. I can't login on the web interface with my configured password. How/where can I reset the password? I already tried to uninstall/install the proxy, but wihtout success. Please help me, I would like to use this good program. Greetings from germany Oliver Scherer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jul 6 11:24:16 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jul 6 11:24:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] how to reset the config password? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070ADB78@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780A9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > i hope you can help me. I installed the spambayes proxy and > configured a secure password. I can't login on the web > interface with my configured password. How/where can I reset > the password? I already tried to uninstall/install the proxy, > but wihtout success. Open up your configuration file and delete the appropriate lines (http_username and http_password) and the restart the proxy and that will do it. The configuration file is in your data directory - the troubleshooting guide explains where to find that. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Tue Jul 6 12:01:35 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Tue Jul 6 12:06:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SB plugin question - Spam probability field in 'U nsure' folder Message-ID: Did it manually (as per John Turnbull's instructions) - all is well now. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 04:24 To: 'Katz, Amir'; 'Spambayes mailing list (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SB plugin question - Spam probability field in 'Unsure'folder > However, as far as I can see, the header field 'spam' > is only available in the 'spam' folder and not in the > 'Unsure' folder. I think it's documented somewhere, > but I can't find it. Which version are you using? I vaguely recall something about this being fixed recently, so you might need 1.0rc1 or 1.0rc2 for it to work properly. (The general instructions for adding the spam field are in the SpamBayes->Help->About SpamBayes page, if that's what you were after). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From bettinanass at alist.co.uk Tue Jul 6 11:07:25 2004 From: bettinanass at alist.co.uk (Bettina Nas) Date: Tue Jul 6 12:07:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Friday 9th July Message-ID: PM200011:07:25 An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/1b25134e/attachment.htm From bee at g.com Tue Jul 6 14:13:08 2004 From: bee at g.com (bee@g.com) Date: Tue Jul 6 14:17:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Hi Message-ID: <20040706121749.A91D71E400A@bag.python.org> The file is protected with the password ghj001. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: your_doc.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29832 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/be4b212d/your_doc-0001.obj From NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com Tue Jul 6 14:18:43 2004 From: NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com (System Attendant) Date: Tue Jul 6 14:18:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting. Message-ID: ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = bee@g.com Recipient(s) = spambayes@python.org Subject = [Spambayes] Re: Hi Scanning Time = 07/06/2004 05:18:42 Engine/Pattern = 7.000-1004/929 Action on message: The attachment your_doc.zip contained WORM_NETSKY.P virus. ScanMail has taken the Deleted action. Warning, ScanMail has detected a virus in an email sent to you. This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this message in error, please advise the sender and then delete this message and any attachments immediately. From margarita.pabon at nrsonline.com Tue Jul 6 15:06:16 2004 From: margarita.pabon at nrsonline.com (margarita.pabon@nrsonline.com) Date: Tue Jul 6 15:03:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Failure Message-ID: <20040706130311.F21D31E400A@bag.python.org> Encrypted message is available. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: data.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29840 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/d05f3d81/data.obj From spambayes at python.org Tue Jul 6 15:13:28 2004 From: spambayes at python.org (spambayes@python.org) Date: Tue Jul 6 15:13:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Attachment type not allowed Message-ID: <20040706131329.608A01E400D@bag.python.org> We have received a message with your e-mail address (spambayes@python.org) as the sender, with the following as the Subject: "Mail Delivery (failure epgnewmedia@mcgraw-hill.com)" . Due to security standards maintained on the McGraw-Hill corporate network, one or more of the attachments contained in your message fall into the category of files that could potentially contain harmful or malicious coding such as viruses. Therefore the entire message was blocked and NOT delivered. If you are in fact the sender of this message, please contact the intended recipient(s): epgnewmedia@mcgraw-hill.com to make alternate arrangements for delivering the attachments. If you did NOT send the message, no further action is required on your part. We apologize for the inconvenience. >From spambayes@python.org Tue Jul 06 09:13:23 2004 X-IronPort-RCPT-TO: epgnewmedia@mcgraw-hill.com From: spambayes@python.org To: epgnewmedia@mcgraw-hill.com Subject: Mail Delivery (failure epgnewmedia@mcgraw-hill.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:07:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0CA80.6B015D10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal From keywitness at keywitness.ca Tue Jul 6 15:34:14 2004 From: keywitness at keywitness.ca (keywitness@keywitness.ca) Date: Tue Jul 6 15:34:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Secure delivery Message-ID: <20040706133417.6BDC61E400A@bag.python.org> Protected Mail System Test. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: message.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29840 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/4516e526/message-0001.obj From rjones at jonesharley.com Tue Jul 6 15:37:21 2004 From: rjones at jonesharley.com (rjones@jonesharley.com) Date: Tue Jul 6 15:36:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Administration Message-ID: <20040706133623.9771D1E400D@bag.python.org> Waiting for a Response. Please read the attachment. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:50:11 -0700 Size: 41455 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/95f9319f/attachment-0001.mht From help at snood.com Tue Jul 6 15:53:30 2004 From: help at snood.com (help@snood.com) Date: Tue Jul 6 15:53:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Hey, dude, it's me ^_^ :P Message-ID: Looking forward for a response :P pass: 43468 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TextFile.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 21268 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/52cde656/TextFile.obj From NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com Tue Jul 6 15:54:36 2004 From: NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com (System Attendant) Date: Tue Jul 6 15:54:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting. Message-ID: ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = postmaster@myriadsystems.com Recipient(s) = spambayes@python.org Subject = [Spambayes] Delivery Status Notification (Failure) Scanning Time = 07/06/2004 06:54:35 Engine/Pattern = 7.000-1004/929 Action on message: The attachment part6_3dgchilton.zip contained WORM_NETSKY.P virus. ScanMail has taken the Deleted action. Warning, ScanMail has detected a virus in an email sent to you. This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this message in error, please advise the sender and then delete this message and any attachments immediately. From bernie at z1.adserver Tue Jul 6 17:02:07 2004 From: bernie at z1.adserver (bernie@z1.adserver) Date: Tue Jul 6 15:59:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Weeeeee! ;))) Message-ID: I don't bite, weah! password for archive: 73782 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Letter.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22102 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/93a0ded2/Letter-0001.obj From michael at kimballpottery.com Tue Jul 6 16:08:19 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Tue Jul 6 16:11:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] stupid question References: <01cb01c46270$a0ba0020$bb7ba8c0@avrolandp4> Message-ID: <40EAB253.9435F51E@kimballpottery.com> This text is set in AVG Control Center | E-Mail Scanner | Certification, not in Spambayes > AvroLand wrote: > > I know I have seen a place within Spambayes to customize the ?--- > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 6/12/2004? > > > > Lines to include other info such as your info ? can anyone shed some > light on this as I?ve gone though the menus and seem to keep missing > the tab or option for it. > > > > All the best, > > > > Jason Eldridge > > > > www.avroland.ca - AvroLand: a site dedicated to the people and > aircraft of Avro Canada and Orenda Engines Limited > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 6/12/2004 > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. This text is set in AVG Control Center | E-Mail Scanner | Certification, not in Spambayes Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 From michael at kimballpottery.com Tue Jul 6 16:11:54 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Tue Jul 6 16:14:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] stupid question References: <01cb01c46270$a0ba0020$bb7ba8c0@avrolandp4> <40EAB253.9435F51E@kimballpottery.com> Message-ID: <40EAB32A.343451C2@kimballpottery.com> Sorry. I meant it is set in AVG Control Center | E-Mail Scanner | ADVANCED SETTINGS | Certification Michael Kimball wrote: > > This text is set in AVG Control Center | E-Mail Scanner | Certification, > not in Spambayes > > > AvroLand wrote: > > > > I know I have seen a place within Spambayes to customize the ?--- > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 6/12/2004? > > > > > > > > Lines to include other info such as your info ? can anyone shed some > > light on this as I?ve gone though the menus and seem to keep missing > > the tab or option for it. > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > Jason Eldridge > > > > > > > > www.avroland.ca - AvroLand: a site dedicated to the people and > > aircraft of Avro Canada and Orenda Engines Limited > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 6/12/2004 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > Spambayes@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 > > -- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > This text is set in AVG Control Center | E-Mail Scanner | Certification, not in Spambayes > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > -- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 From michael at kimballpottery.com Tue Jul 6 16:26:31 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Tue Jul 6 16:29:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ClamAV ?? References: <65fd7a65e025.65e02565fd7a@tm.net.my> Message-ID: <40EAB697.473C6EE@kimballpottery.com> If you are asking what I THINK you are asking, it is covered in Tony's answer to my similar question about using Grisoft AVG antivirus with SpamBayes. Just read 'ClamAV' for 'Grisoft AVG' and your mail client for 'Netscape Messenger' The message ID (at least on my machine) is <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C0299@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> and it is From: "Tony Meyer" To: "'Michael Kimball'" , Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Grisoft AVG Universal E-mail Scanner -> Spambayes -> Netscape Messenger 4.79 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:14:13 +1200 The essence of it all is to set ClamAV to get mail from your mail server, set Spambayes to get it from ClamAV and then set your mail client to get it from Spambayes. Hope this helps. Mike Kimball isphome1@streamyx.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I've installed Spambayes on a local Linux box within the office network and it seems to be working fine so far. All the local users pop their mail from this local machine. I was wondering if there's a way to incorporate virus scanning function to this mechanism so the emails are scanned for virusses as their checked for spam on the server site. > > Has anyone done this before? Would appreciate it if could guide me on how to get this done. Any sites which I can visit? > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > -- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 From lkitchin at dow.com Tue Jul 6 16:45:26 2004 From: lkitchin at dow.com (Kitchin, Lou Ann (LA)) Date: Tue Jul 6 16:46:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question - Junk Suspects Message-ID: <8A83C8F5E54C9548806C878FC7E0AE70691921@CASRNMDOWM011.dow.com> When in Junk Suspects folder and click Recover from Spam - It does not move message to Inbox. Why? When in Junk suspects folder and click Delete as Span - It does not move message to Junk E-mail. why? LouAnn Kitchin ------------------------------ Dow Automotive Field Sales System Support Phone 248-391-6585 Cellular 248-761-9533 From hegreen at compuserve.com Tue Jul 6 16:55:15 2004 From: hegreen at compuserve.com (hegreen@compuserve.com) Date: Tue Jul 6 16:52:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Extended Mail Message-ID: <20040706145223.8D85C1E400A@bag.python.org> Follow the instructions to read the message. +++ Attachment: No Virus found +++ Panda AntiVirus - www.pandasoftware.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: all_doc01_spambayes.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29840 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/486f754f/all_doc01_spambayes.obj From jepler at unpythonic.net Tue Jul 6 17:03:12 2004 From: jepler at unpythonic.net (Jeff Epler) Date: Tue Jul 6 17:03:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Quick question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040706150312.GF19720@unpythonic.net> On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 01:13:41PM +1000, David Loh wrote: > Sorry, I am sure this has already been raised but I can't find it in the FAQ. > > Could someone tell me if there is an optimal number of ham and spam on which to train Spambayes? I initially trained on about 100 spam and 100 ham. Since then, I've mostly followed the "train on error and unsure" methodology, which has led to a 2:1 imbalance in favor of spam in my database. The SpamBayes "wiki" contains a page about different training methods. TOErrors is easy to do, and has given good results for me. TTE has given good results for others, but is more difficult to do. TOEverything is probably a bad idea for almost everybody. If I had to start my database anew, I would be tempted to use TTE or "non-edge" training, but I'd be most likely to use the same training method because it's given me pretty good results. > I have heard that if you exceed a couple of thousand training messages, the efficiency of the filtering goes down. Is this true? I now have 1502 ham and 2566 spam in my database, and it is still effective enough for me. However, the number of messages marked as "unsure" may be increasing slowly over time. Here's another message I wrote recently talking about my results using spambayes: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2004-June/013546.html Jeff -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From oneone at interbaun.com Tue Jul 6 18:31:31 2004 From: oneone at interbaun.com (oneone@interbaun.com) Date: Tue Jul 6 18:29:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Protected Mail Delivery Message-ID: <20040706162904.8D0CD1E400D@bag.python.org> Delivered message is attached. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: readme_spambayes.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29834 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/0e9f69e9/readme_spambayes-0001.obj From NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com Tue Jul 6 18:31:43 2004 From: NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com (System Attendant) Date: Tue Jul 6 18:31:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting. Message-ID: ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. 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From holidays at trellian.com Tue Jul 6 18:37:21 2004 From: holidays at trellian.com (holidays@trellian.com) Date: Tue Jul 6 18:33:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: read it immediately Message-ID: <20040706163354.7916E1E4010@bag.python.org> Please read the document. ++++ Attachment: No Virus found ++++ F-Secure AntiVirus - www.f-secure.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: data_spambayes.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29834 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/790c602b/data_spambayes.obj From NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com Tue Jul 6 18:35:17 2004 From: NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com (System Attendant) Date: Tue Jul 6 18:35:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting. 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From noreply at spambayes Tue Jul 6 19:12:04 2004 From: noreply at spambayes (noreply@spambayes) Date: Tue Jul 6 19:12:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Mail Account Message-ID: <20040706171217.332421E400D@bag.python.org> Your mail account has been closed. For further details see the document. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: readme.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 29832 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/89d7fbf3/readme-0001.obj From jane at brazil.nuts.com Tue Jul 6 19:11:46 2004 From: jane at brazil.nuts.com (jane@brazil.nuts.com) Date: Tue Jul 6 19:12:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Extended Mail System Message-ID: <20040706171220.EB6561E4012@bag.python.org> For more details see the attachment. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this message in error, please advise the sender and then delete this message and any attachments immediately. From NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com Tue Jul 6 19:15:36 2004 From: NTSERVER001-SA at BarneyAndBarney.com (System Attendant) Date: Tue Jul 6 19:15:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found or matched file blocki ng setting. Message-ID: ScanMail for Microsoft Exchange has taken action on the message, please refer to the contents of this message for further details. Sender = noreply@spambayes Recipient(s) = spambayes@python.org Subject = [Spambayes] Mail Account Scanning Time = 07/06/2004 10:15:35 Engine/Pattern = 7.000-1004/929 Action on message: The attachment readme.zip contained WORM_NETSKY.P virus. 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This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this message in error, please advise the sender and then delete this message and any attachments immediately. From rasco at korea.com Tue Jul 6 19:59:25 2004 From: rasco at korea.com (rasco@korea.com) Date: Tue Jul 6 19:59:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Your document Message-ID: <20040706175933.A7C861E400D@bag.python.org> Please read the attached file. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Katie -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:25 AM To: Katie Kenny; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] RE: Problem with "Delete as Spam" button > I've attached the > log in cases this is helpful in tracking down the cause. Thanks. > I'll do the re-training--please let me know if there's > anything else I need to do to make sure my database is clean now. As long as you have the "Rebuild entire database" box ticked, then that's it. BTW, I'll update the troubleshooting guide when I get a chance to make it more clear that this fixes this sort of problem, as you recommended - thanks! =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From j.h.turnbull at btinternet.com Tue Jul 6 20:28:56 2004 From: j.h.turnbull at btinternet.com (John Turnbull) Date: Tue Jul 6 20:29:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] stupid question In-Reply-To: <40EAB253.9435F51E@kimballpottery.com> Message-ID: <01c401c46387$1c9de0a0$e3e77ad5@xanadu> Ah -that's one way to answer the question but here's another perhaps due to my ignorance: does spabayes read any of this text tokenise it? Can/should be part of filtering improvements. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Michael Kimball Sent: 06 July 2004 15:08 To: AvroLand Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] stupid question This text is set in AVG Control Center | E-Mail Scanner | Certification, not in Spambayes > AvroLand wrote: > > I know I have seen a place within Spambayes to customize the "--- > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 6/12/2004" > > > > Lines to include other info such as your info - can anyone shed some > light on this as I've gone though the menus and seem to keep missing > the tab or option for it. > > > > All the best, > > > > Jason Eldridge > > > > www.avroland.ca - AvroLand: a site dedicated to the people and > aircraft of Avro Canada and Orenda Engines Limited > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.705 / Virus Database: 461 - Release Date: 6/12/2004 > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this message in error, please advise the sender and then delete this message and any attachments immediately. From content-scanner at fw-notify.net Tue Jul 6 22:39:39 2004 From: content-scanner at fw-notify.net (EMail Content Scanner) Date: Tue Jul 6 22:39:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] [rsag-asl.rothorn.ch ] [WAR 032] Blocked mail [Mail Delivery (failure chaer@rothorn.ch)] Message-ID: Your EMail with subject 'Mail Delivery (failure chaer@rothorn.ch)', sent to the recipient(s) chaer@rothorn.ch contains a file attachment of type '[scr]'. Our organization does not accept files of this type by email. The message has NOT been delivered to the recipients. If you have further questions, please contact the postmaster (mailto:info@mountainmedia.ch). -- Message generated by Astaro Security Linux From ronf at fctcpa.com Tue Jul 6 23:23:52 2004 From: ronf at fctcpa.com (Ron Friedman, CPA) Date: Tue Jul 6 23:22:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] renaming folders Message-ID: <6488EE1E0A5ED81182D50002B32C06C7495344@FCTNT01> Can I rename the spam folder in outlook? If so, what do I have to change in spambayes? ------------------------------------------------ Ronald S. Friedman, CPA Friedman, Cohen, Taubman & Company Certified Public Accountants / RonF@fctcpa.com RonF@fctcpa.com / www.fctcpa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040706/6bb59e24/attachment.htm From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Tue Jul 6 23:41:12 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Tue Jul 6 23:42:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] renaming folders Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C2E3@SPIKE.city> Yes. Nothing. In fact, half the messages on this mailing list are from users who haven't grasped the fact that Spambayes will cheerfully continue to use a folder after it's been renamed or "deleted". Bob -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Ron Friedman, CPA Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:24 PM To: 'spambayes@python.org' Subject: [Spambayes] renaming folders Can I rename the spam folder in outlook? If so, what do I have to change in spambayes? ------------------------------------------------ Ronald S. 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After installing SpamBayes these options don't work anymore - mailer can automatically delete spam, but first it has to receive all there is on the server. Of course it doesn't count in minutes, yet it is somewhat irritating to see that spam still flows free, making up for the traffic, so that instead just 10 ham messages I have to download all 250 of spam emails. Is there any way of dealing with it? Yours, Jedrzej I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc1 (May 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 4.90.73010104.1 ( ). I have trained 21 ham and 95 spam (and turned off caching, as it works all right:). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040707/06d0ba5a/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jul 7 04:10:34 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jul 7 04:10:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question - Junk Suspects In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070ADCAF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780AD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > When in Junk Suspects folder and click Recover from Spam - It > does not move message to Inbox. Why? > > When in Junk suspects folder and click Delete as Span - It > does not move message to Junk E-mail. why? Please try this again (to generate the log entries) and then send us a copy of your most recent log file. The troubleshooting guide explains where to find these - without it, we can't really tell what is happening. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jul 7 04:14:20 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jul 7 04:14:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] renaming folders In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070ADCCF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780AE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Can I rename the spam folder in outlook? Yes. (Well, as long as Outlook lets you - SpamBayes certainly doesn't care. I gather that Outlook 2003 has a bulit in "Junk Mail" folder, which you probably can't rename. But you could use a different one, with any name, for SpamBayes). > If so, what do I have to change in spambayes? Nothing. If you move it to a different "store" (i.e. a different pst file, to/from an Exchange/IMAP server, etc), then you'll need to go into the SpamBayes Manager dialog, then the Filtering tab, click the Browse button next to the spam folder, and reselect it. If you just rename it, then nothing is needed at all. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jul 7 04:15:50 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jul 7 04:15:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] deleting spam In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070ADCD0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Why doesn't spam get sent directly to the deleted > items folder in outlook? My spam is sent to its > own folder (preset when I installed app), and I have > to manually clean it out (ie delete the spam). > That seems like a real pain. Please see FAQs 3.9 and 3.11: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From johnd at alist.co.uk Wed Jul 7 09:55:46 2004 From: johnd at alist.co.uk (John - aList) Date: Wed Jul 7 10:55:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] This week Pacha,Elysium,Rouge and Space at The Cross Message-ID: PM200009:55:46 An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040707/4fbc7479/attachment.html From support at get.topica.com Wed Jul 7 13:11:34 2004 From: support at get.topica.com (Topica Customer Support) Date: Wed Jul 7 13:11:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Your recent message to Topica.com Message-ID: <396059406-1463747838-1089198694@boing.topica.com> We're sorry, but the list that you have tried to post to is an announcement-only list and does not allow posts. All posts to the list come from the list owner exclusively, or from authorized subscribers. If you have questions regarding the posting policy of this list, please contact the list owner. Still have questions? Email Topica at support@get.topica.com. Please include the email address of the list you're inquiring about, and the email address you want to use to subscribe to the list. Sincerely, Topica Customer Support From do_not_reply at nintendo.de Wed Jul 7 14:07:10 2004 From: do_not_reply at nintendo.de (do_not_reply@nintendo.de) Date: Wed Jul 7 14:07:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20040707120710.B25DC7350@lxruebe.nintendo.de> +++ The mail message (file: email-body) you sent to contains a virus (HTML_Netsky.P)+++ Dear sender, we have detected that you send with every e-mail a virus. Please visit the specified site to clean your PC. http://www.trendmicro.com. If you continue to send unclean e-mails we are forced to take further actions. Mfg ISD-Technical-Support From do_not_reply at nintendo.de Wed Jul 7 14:07:11 2004 From: do_not_reply at nintendo.de (do_not_reply@nintendo.de) Date: Wed Jul 7 14:07:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert Message-ID: <20040707120711.2E8627350@lxruebe.nintendo.de> +++ The mail message (file: message.scr) you sent to contains a virus (WORM_NETSKY.P)+++ Dear sender, we have detected that you send with every e-mail a virus. Please visit the specified site to clean your PC. http://www.trendmicro.com. If you continue to send unclean e-mails we are forced to take further actions. Mfg ISD-Technical-Support From ronf at fctcpa.com Wed Jul 7 14:24:27 2004 From: ronf at fctcpa.com (Ron Friedman, CPA) Date: Wed Jul 7 14:23:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] hacking Message-ID: <6488EE1E0A5ED81182D50002B32C06C7495359@FCTNT01> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: do_not_reply@nintendo.de Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:07:10 -0400 Size: 2942 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040707/f1a3c042/attachment.mht -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: do_not_reply@nintendo.de Subject: [Spambayes] Virus Alert Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:07:11 -0400 Size: 2944 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040707/f1a3c042/attachment-0001.mht From TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com Wed Jul 7 15:04:06 2004 From: TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com (Mathew Hendry) Date: Wed Jul 7 15:04:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: hacking References: <6488EE1E0A5ED81182D50002B32C06C7495359@FCTNT01> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:24:27 -0400, "Ron Friedman, CPA" wrote: >Are these 2 emails really from you or did someone hack your address? > >[snip virus warnings] A virus sent itself with spambayes@python.org as the claimed return address. Happens all the time, probably with your address too. I know it happens with mine... -- Mat. From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jul 7 16:24:56 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jul 7 16:25:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: hacking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mathew Hendry wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:24:27 -0400, "Ron Friedman, CPA" > > wrote: > >> Are these 2 emails really from you or did someone hack your address? >> >> [snip virus warnings] > > A virus sent itself with spambayes@python.org as the claimed return > address. Happens all the time, probably with your address too. I know > it happens with mine... And then some mail server sends a bounce message back to the forged sender and it goes to every one of the hundreds of subscribers to the spambayes mailing list. This is a prime example of why we will never implement spam bouncing in SpamBayes. The vast majority of the time, these bounce messages only serve to annoy innocent people who had nothing whatsoever to do with spreading the virus or spam. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jul 7 16:49:12 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jul 7 16:49:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] sorry for troubling In-Reply-To: <000f01c463af$5e2312c0$fce463d9@jjr> Message-ID: It's always nice to hear from satisifed users. Thanks! The SpamBayes filter works by analyzing the content of the messages to determine what is spam and what is not. If you do not download the entire message, then there is no content for it to analyze. If you want to completely avoid downloading the spam then I'm afraid your only options are probably to switch to a less effective filter that looks only at the message headers, or convince your ISP to install a better spam filter so that there are fewer spam messages that have to be downloaded and analyzed by SpamBayes. Also, I would recommend against turning off SpamBayes caching entirely. It may be working fine now, but spam is constantly mutating and you may find in a few months that it isn't working as well. Or you might start communicating with a new friend or place an order with an online business that you haven't dealt with before, so it's always a good idea to have the option for additional training. If you set your cache to expire in 2 or 3 days, it really won't take up much hard drive space and will allow you to do additional training on any mistakes that SpamBayes makes. -- Kenny Pitt _____ From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of JJR Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:13 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] sorry for troubling First of all thanks for developing SpamBayes - works great, vitually without fauls. Still it is only a filter - any action like deleting spam must be undertaken by a mail program. And here is my question: when I was playing with different rule settings of Outlook Express it was hard to filter spam, but it acted all right - after selecting "remove news from server" or "do not download" mailer was receiving only those messages that fitted the rules. After installing SpamBayes these options don't work anymore - mailer can automatically delete spam, but first it has to receive all there is on the server. Of course it doesn't count in minutes, yet it is somewhat irritating to see that spam still flows free, making up for the traffic, so that instead just 10 ham messages I have to download all 250 of spam emails. Is there any way of dealing with it? I have trained 21 ham and 95 spam (and turned off caching, as it works all right:). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040707/aa46999c/attachment.htm From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jul 7 16:58:22 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jul 7 16:58:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] stupid question In-Reply-To: <01c401c46387$1c9de0a0$e3e77ad5@xanadu> Message-ID: John Turnbull wrote: > Ah -that's one way to answer the question but here's another perhaps > due to my ignorance: does spabayes read any of this text tokenise it? > Can/should be part of filtering improvements. > > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] > On Behalf Of Michael Kimball > Sent: 06 July 2004 15:08 > To: AvroLand > Cc: spambayes@python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] stupid question > > > > This text is set in AVG Control Center | E-Mail Scanner | > Certification, not in Spambayes Any text that is part of the body of the message is analyzed by SpamBayes. If you select "Show spam clues" on one of these messages and scroll to the last section, "All Message Tokens", you'll see tokens such as 'avg', 'anti-virus', '6.0.714', etc. Whether or not these tokens have any effect on the spam score will depend on whether you have trained any messages that contain them. At the top of the "show spam clues" you'll see the "Significant Tokens", which are the tokens that actually contributed to the score given to the message. -- Kenny Pitt From rjl at biosci.umtri.umich.edu Wed Jul 7 18:20:17 2004 From: rjl at biosci.umtri.umich.edu (Richard Jeff Lehman) Date: Wed Jul 7 18:24:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [spambayes-bugs] SpamBayes will not stay loaded In-Reply-To: References: <40EBD617.25668.303A7F@biosci.umtri.umich.edu> Message-ID: <40EBEA80.27258.7FF1F7@biosci.umtri.umich.edu> From: "Kenny Pitt" To: Subject: RE: [spambayes-bugs] SpamBayes will not stay loaded Date sent: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:30:16 -0400 > Richard Jeff Lehman wrote: > >> Are you > >> running the binary version from the installer, or are you running > >> from source? Are there any error messages in your logfile? > >> > > The binary. Where's the log file? No entries in event viewer. > > The logfiles should be in your temp folder, which is usually "Documents and > Settings\username\Local Settings\Temp". Look for files named > SpamBayesServer1.log, SpamBayesServer2.log, etc. Logfile shows these lines w/ or w/o verbose switch: ============================= begin ============================ Traceback (most recent call last): File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 555, in ? File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 551, in main File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 197, in __init__ File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 423, in Start File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 266, in StartService pywintypes.error: (1058, 'StartService', 'The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices associated with it.') ============================= end ============================= > You might also try going to a Command Prompt window and running > sb_server.exe directly from there. You won't get an icon in the system tray > if you run it this way, but any messages from SpamBayes will be displayed in > the command window so that they'll be easy to spot. A zillion lines of text flushing/adding/storing/placing..., then the correct startup lines (SMTP listener.../User interface url... and THEN it's running. I can read and send mail, etc. BUT *NO* history, no stats, etc. sb_tray will run if I start sb_server this way, but not standalone. > It might also be helpful to increase the amount of information in the > logfiles. If you look in your "Documents and Settings\username\Application > Data\SpamBayes\Proxy" directory, you should find a file named > bayescustomize.ini. Open this file in Notepad or another text editor and > look for a "[globals]" section with the option "verbose:False". If you find > it, just change False to True. If you don't see it, just add the following > two lines to the bottom of the file: > > [globals] > verbose:True > > In the future, please CC the spambayes@python.org list with any replies. > Someone else might be able to jump in with additional assistance. > > -- > Kenny Pitt > -- ========================================================== = Richard Jeff Lehman Voice: 734-763-3463 = = UMTRI FAX: 734-647-3330 = = 2901 Baxter Rd. email: rjlehman AT umich DOT edu = = Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2150 = ========================================================== From virus-scanner at advences.com Wed Jul 7 18:55:51 2004 From: virus-scanner at advences.com (System Anti-Virus Administrator) Date: Wed Jul 7 19:19:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] virus found in sent message "Re: Re: important word document" Message-ID: Attention: spambayes@python.org A virus was found in an Email message you sent. This Email scanner intercepted it and stopped the entire message reaching its destination. The virus was reported to be: W32/Netsky.P@mm Please update your virus scanner or contact your IT support personnel as soon as possible as you may have a virus on your system. Your message was sent with the following envelope: MAIL FROM: spambayes@python.org RCPT TO: bdv@voyage-internet.com ... and with the following headers: --- MAILFROM: spambayes@python.org Received: from ip-79.net-81-220-175.nice.rev.numericable.fr (HELO voyage-internet.com) (81.220.175.79) by tommy.plugnet.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 16:55:39 -0000 From: spambayes@python.org To: bdv@voyage-internet.com Subject: Re: Re: important word document Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:08:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016----=_NextPart_000_0016" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal --- From SBruchesky at indoff1.com Wed Jul 7 20:42:54 2004 From: SBruchesky at indoff1.com (Bruchesky, Syndi) Date: Wed Jul 7 20:43:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] localhost:8880 error Message-ID: <6AB05F9D9EBCD311A41300508B72DDA7028FE1A0@www.indoff1.com> When I try to go to http://localhost:8880 to configure, I get an error. "The connection to the requested host was refused. The host may not be accepting connections at this time. Please retry the request again later." Is it me? Or is it down? Love the application! Thanks! Syndi From thorns at openface.ca Wed Jul 7 21:58:17 2004 From: thorns at openface.ca (Simon Thornington) Date: Wed Jul 7 21:58:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie outlook/spambayes/multiple folder question Message-ID: Hi all, Newbie Outlook user here, I recently decided to switch some of my mail from GNUS to Outlook, as so many of my clients send exchange-oriented mail. I have SpamBayes running great for my Exchange Server account. My question now is, I have a couple of other fairly active email accounts I could access via POP. Can I easily add them to Outlook 2003/SpamBayes without any of the mails getting intermixed? Ideally, I'd like to use the same filter for Exchange.Inbox -> Exchange.Junk E-Mail as well as POPServer.LocalInbox -> LocalJunkEmail or something. Am I making sense? Thanks, Simon. From Support at agri-west.com Wed Jul 7 22:47:51 2004 From: Support at agri-west.com (Support) Date: Wed Jul 7 22:49:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training failure? Message-ID: <44D2C534C066FA4E87907B1E6E26F8160186A9@agwimail.agri-west.com> I have installed Spambayes on four different PCs. It works flawlessly on every one but one. It is a Windows XP machine, in all ways similar to the other installs, except for the fact that the user has four personal folders of mail, plus an Exchange mailbox. She actively uses the Exchange mailbox and that is where I installed Spambayes. I created two extra folders as the instructions requested and proceeded through the training with no errors. I then launched Outlook and found that the training did not "take" and that all messages were still being delivered to the mailbox and not being culled to Junk E-mail. I trained Spambayes again thenext day with more examples of both hammy and spammy messages and again, no luck.... Any ideas? Mac Macleod@satx.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040707/25452716/attachment.htm From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jul 7 23:49:30 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jul 7 23:49:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie outlook/spambayes/multiple folder question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Simon Thornington wrote: > I have SpamBayes running great for my Exchange Server account. My > question now is, I have a couple of other fairly active email > accounts I could access via POP. Can I easily add them to Outlook > 2003/SpamBayes without any of the mails getting intermixed? Ideally, > I'd like to use the same filter for Exchange.Inbox -> Exchange.Junk > E-Mail as well as POPServer.LocalInbox -> LocalJunkEmail or > something. Easy enough. Just add your POP accounts as additional accounts in Outlook. I can't remember the default configuration if you also have an Exchange server, but mail from your POP accounts should be delivered either to your Exchange Inbox or to "Personal Folders/Inbox". Go to SpamBayes Manager on the Filtering tab, and under "Filter the following folders" use the Browse button to make sure both of those folders are selected. SpamBayes only has one junk folder and spam messages for all of your accounts will be moved there. I would recommend configuring SpamBayes to use a folder under "Personal Folders" for spam. -- Kenny Pitt From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 8 02:05:39 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 8 02:05:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] stupid question In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070ADDC1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780B3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Whether or not these tokens have any effect on the spam score > will depend on whether you have trained any messages that > contain them. At the top of the "show spam clues" you'll see > the "Significant Tokens", which are the tokens that actually > contributed to the score given to the message. One point in addition to what Kenny said: Unless AVG is only checking a subset of your mail, *every* message will have this cruft on it (unless you turn it off, or unless it's a virus). So (assuming a balanced corpus) the clues will stay easily within the 0.4-0.6 range where they are ignored, so they'll have no effect at all (other than a very small increase in database size). An "AVG has found a virus" message (I've never seen one of these, but I suppose they get added, too), would presumably never appear on good mail, and so quickly end up as strong spam clues, if you train on them. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From jepler at unpythonic.net Thu Jul 8 04:46:35 2004 From: jepler at unpythonic.net (Jeff Epler) Date: Thu Jul 8 04:46:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] deleting spam In-Reply-To: <6488EE1E0A5ED81182D50002B32C06C7495345@FCTNT01> References: <6488EE1E0A5ED81182D50002B32C06C7495345@FCTNT01> Message-ID: <20040708024635.GA10267@unpythonic.net> On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 05:25:06PM -0400, Ron Friedman, CPA wrote: > Why doesn't spam get sent directly to the deleted items folder in outlook? > My spam is sent to its own folder (preset when I installed app), and I have > to manually clean it out (ie delete the spam). That seems like a real pain. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-can-t-i-set-spam-to-be-moved-to-the-deleted-items-folder -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you could find your most recent log file (the troubleshooting guide explains where to find this) that would probably shed more light on the problem. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 8 06:03:20 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 8 06:03:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training failure? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070ADDCA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780CB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > She actively uses the Exchange mailbox and that > is where I installed Spambayes. I created two > extra folders as the instructions requested and > proceeded through the training with no errors. > I then launched Outlook [...] This confuses me - if you launched Outlook at the end of this, what were you doing the training in? In addition, the log files might have some clues - the troubleshooting guide explains where to find these, so that you can pass them on, if you like. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 8 06:06:02 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 8 06:06:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ClamAV ?? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070ADCAE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780CC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > If you are asking what I THINK you are asking, it is covered > in Tony's answer to my similar question about using Grisoft > AVG antivirus with SpamBayes. Just read 'ClamAV' for > 'Grisoft AVG' and your mail client for 'Netscape Messenger' I've since turned it into a FAQ, too - 5.3: My original reply can be found here: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 8 06:09:02 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 8 06:09:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] documentation assistance In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA066D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780CD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I would like to offer my help in writing user > or training documentation for Spambayes Outlook > and/or Spambayes Linux. In addition to what Remi has already said: welcome, and yes please! Two possible ways to start: 1. Look at the documentation for the tasks that you're most familiar with and try and find flaws with it. Fix those, let us know, and we'll check the changes in. 2. Look at the documentation in a more holistic fashion - trying to establish a better way that we can make things easy to find, and avoid duplication while only giving relevant information. Basically, if you can suggest improvements, please do, and we'll be sure to add them as we can (the more specific they are, the better). =Tony Meyer From postmaster at otusimc.otis.com Thu Jul 8 06:09:25 2004 From: postmaster at otusimc.otis.com (System Administrator) Date: Thu Jul 8 06:09:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Undeliverable: hello Message-ID: <65DD95B29D8194409929C5122447230A098B6345@OTUSSIMC.otis.com> Your message To: ate@otis.com Subject: hello Sent: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:09:15 -0400 did not reach the following recipient(s): ATE@OTIS.COM on Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:09:20 -0400 The recipient name is not recognized The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=utc;l=OTUSSIMC04070804093MVD58X4 MSEXCH:IMS:UTC:OTUSIMC:OTUSSIMC 0 (000C05A6) Unknown Recipient -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: spambayes@python.org Subject: hello Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 00:09:15 -0400 Size: 1223 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040708/4488453b/attachment.mht From michael at kimballpottery.com Thu Jul 8 06:45:04 2004 From: michael at kimballpottery.com (Michael Kimball) Date: Thu Jul 8 06:48:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ClamAV ?? References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780CC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <40ECD150.4CB7C17C@kimballpottery.com> Tony Meyer wrote: > > > If you are asking what I THINK you are asking, it is covered > > in Tony's answer to my similar question about using Grisoft > > AVG antivirus with SpamBayes. Just read 'ClamAV' for > > 'Grisoft AVG' and your mail client for 'Netscape Messenger' > > I've since turned it into a FAQ, too - 5.3: > > sb-server> > > My original reply can be found here: > > Wow. That url is WAY different from the one I supplied! How does one find the proper link to an earlier email? > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. > > -- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/2004 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/2004 From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 8 07:00:05 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 8 07:00:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes and ClamAV ?? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070ADFED@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780CE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Wow. That url is WAY different from the one I supplied! How > does one find the proper link to an earlier email? The archives for this list can be found at: >From there you can identify the message that you're after and use the URL that's in the browser's location bar. Finding the message you're after can be tricky, though, particularly if you don't know what the subject was or who sent it. Google can sometimes help with that (eg a search for "site:mail.python.org spambayes avg"). (A neat feature of Mailman, IMO, would be to add in a URL for the message to the headers, if the list is set to archive. I don't know whether this is possible at the moment or not, or even how hard it would be to do, though). =Tony Meyer From virus at namo.co.kr Thu Jul 8 10:59:40 2004 From: virus at namo.co.kr (virus@namo.co.kr) Date: Thu Jul 8 10:59:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] =?euc-kr?b?sc3Hz8DHILjewM/AuiDHysXNuLUgtce++r3AtM8=?= =?euc-kr?b?tNkuAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?= Message-ID: <200407080859.i688xeCq031109@mail.namo.co.kr> ? ??? ?? ?? ?????. ====================================================================== ??? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ???????. ?? ??? ???? admin@namo.com ?? ?? ????. ?????. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ?? ??? ?? ?? : ???? ??? ?? ?? : spambayes@python.org ?? ?? : viewer@namo.co.kr, ???? ?? :Win32/Netsky.worm.29568 ?? ?? : message.scr ?? ?? : ?? ??? ?? : ??? ?? ====================================================================== From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu Jul 8 13:32:00 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu Jul 8 13:32:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie outlook/spambayes/multiple folder question Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500213FB1D@SPIKE.city> The problem with that scenario is that Outlook allows you to specify only one folder at a time for the delivery of incoming mail, no matter how many sources of mail (Exchange, POP3 servers, etc.) are in use. I think you could then use Outlook rules to dispatch on the message source, but you'd run up against the non-deterministic nature of the interaction between Outlook and Spambayes rules. (That problem is covered in the FAQ, and I won't belabor it.) What you could do is use separate Outlook profiles (not to be confused with Windows profiles) for the different incoming message streams. But the Outlook profile mechanism is complex, and most users probably don't understand it very well. I think it's primarily intended for situations where multiple users share the same account. I'd certainly hesitate to recommend it to someone who characterizes himself as an Outlook newbie. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Simon Thornington > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:58 PM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie outlook/spambayes/multiple folder question > > > Hi all, > > Newbie Outlook user here, I recently decided to switch some of my mail > from GNUS to Outlook, as so many of my clients send exchange-oriented > mail. > > I have SpamBayes running great for my Exchange Server account. My > question now is, I have a couple of other fairly active email accounts > I could access via POP. Can I easily add them to Outlook 2003/SpamBayes > without any of the mails getting intermixed? Ideally, I'd like to use > the same filter for Exchange.Inbox -> Exchange.Junk E-Mail as well as > POPServer.LocalInbox -> LocalJunkEmail or something. > > Am I making sense? > > Thanks, > > Simon. From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu Jul 8 14:23:48 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu Jul 8 14:23:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie outlook/spambayes/multiple folder question Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C2E4@SPIKE.city> A brief elaboration of Kenny's last point: Putting the spam folder in a .pst file can reduce the amount of synchronization between the user's PC and the Exchange server, which in some cases might spare you from copying spam back to the server. But notice that it has the side effect that items deleted from the spam folder will go to the .pst file's "Deleted Items" folder, not to the one on the Exchange server. Only one "Deleted Items" folder is automatically cleared when you leave Outlook, and it's normally the one on the server. So you may have to manually clear the one in the .pst file from time to time. Another suggestion: If you get a lot of spam through your POP3 accounts, try to download their incoming messages when you're NOT on-line to the Exchange server. They'll get cached locally, and the spam will be deleted without the Exchange server ever seeing it. But if you're on-line when you check your POP3 mail, the incoming messages will be copied to the Exchange server before Spambayes sees them. Then if you didn't follow Kenny's advice and set up a local spam folder, the spam will be copied to the server again! (I think. I doubt that Outlook/Exchange is smart enough to notice that the process of moving spam to the spam folder locally can be replicated remotely, but I admit that I can't prove it.) I don't think any of this is a great mystery to an experienced Exchange user. I mention it only because there's been some evidence that a large segment of the Spambayes user community isn't very experienced with Exchange. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Kenny Pitt > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 5:50 PM > To: 'Simon Thornington'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Newbie outlook/spambayes/multiple folder > question > > > Simon Thornington wrote: > > I have SpamBayes running great for my Exchange Server account. My > > question now is, I have a couple of other fairly active email > > accounts I could access via POP. Can I easily add them to Outlook > > 2003/SpamBayes without any of the mails getting intermixed? Ideally, > > I'd like to use the same filter for Exchange.Inbox -> Exchange.Junk > > E-Mail as well as POPServer.LocalInbox -> LocalJunkEmail or something. > > Easy enough. Just add your POP accounts as additional accounts in Outlook. > I can't remember the default configuration if you also have an Exchange > server, but mail from your POP accounts should be delivered either to your > Exchange Inbox or to "Personal Folders/Inbox". Go to SpamBayes Manager on > the Filtering tab, and under "Filter the following folders" use the Browse > button to make sure both of those folders are selected. > > SpamBayes only has one junk folder and spam messages for all of your > accounts will be moved there. I would recommend configuring SpamBayes to > use a folder under "Personal Folders" for spam. > > -- > Kenny Pitt From gurban at ci.broomfield.co.us Thu Jul 8 17:00:46 2004 From: gurban at ci.broomfield.co.us (Gerri Urban) Date: Thu Jul 8 17:02:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] issue with other outlook plugins Message-ID: <7A115A04805955448B9B71FEC5A0D8E041B37F@clifford.Broomcty.ci.broomfield.co.us> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From the web page it appears it only supports POP3 and IMAP today. -Robert From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com Thu Jul 8 19:50:35 2004 From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker) Date: Thu Jul 8 19:50:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Exchange Server In-Reply-To: <8522544CB0A94A4B98F97BD2566736BF0B5637@wcosmb06.cos.agilent.com> References: <8522544CB0A94A4B98F97BD2566736BF0B5637@wcosmb06.cos.agilent.com> Message-ID: <50E40A44-D107-11D8-BCEE-000A95E09D92@rbwconsulting.com> There is an Outlook 2000 and above plugin that can be used with exchange accounts. Spambayes is a client side filter, so we do not offer integration into Exchange *Server* itself. On Jul 8, 2004, at 1:01 PM, wrote: > Are there any plans to make SpayBayes work with Microsoft Exchange > Server? From the web page it appears it only supports POP3 and IMAP > today. > > -Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From robert_gary at agilent.com Thu Jul 8 19:52:49 2004 From: robert_gary at agilent.com (robert_gary@agilent.com) Date: Thu Jul 8 19:52:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Exchange Server Message-ID: <8522544CB0A94A4B98F97BD2566736BF0B563A@wcosmb06.cos.agilent.com> Ok, Thanks. That was my misunderstanding. From the web page I thought it was the proxy server that classified the emails, not the client side. I'll give it a try. Thanks! -Robert -----Original Message----- From: Adam Walker [mailto:adam.walker@rbwconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:51 AM To: robert_gary@agilent.com Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Exchange Server There is an Outlook 2000 and above plugin that can be used with exchange accounts. Spambayes is a client side filter, so we do not offer integration into Exchange *Server* itself. On Jul 8, 2004, at 1:01 PM, wrote: > Are there any plans to make SpayBayes work with Microsoft Exchange > Server? From the web page it appears it only supports POP3 and IMAP > today. > > -Robert > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From GEOTUEBVDEUEZB at msn.com Thu Jul 8 22:11:37 2004 From: GEOTUEBVDEUEZB at msn.com (Jonathon Walters) Date: Thu Jul 8 21:10:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] office xp cheap sale rhythmic Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040708/6850c09c/attachment.htm From bobkersey at comcast.net Thu Jul 8 23:13:55 2004 From: bobkersey at comcast.net (Bob Kersey) Date: Thu Jul 8 23:14:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about spambayes configuration Message-ID: <20040708211423.657FA1E4002@bag.python.org> I recently installed Spambayes and I am truly amazed at the results! One part I cannot figure out is, in the Spambayes Manager under the Advanced tab there are two settings. One called "Processing start delay" and it is set at 2 seconds and "Delay between processing items" and it is set at 1 second. What do the actually do and how would changing the times affect the operation of this program. Thanks in advance for any help in explaining this to me. Bob Kersey Paducah, KY From TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com Thu Jul 8 23:36:44 2004 From: TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com (Mathew Hendry) Date: Thu Jul 8 23:36:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Question about spambayes configuration References: <20040708211423.657FA1E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:13:55 -0500, "Bob Kersey" wrote: >I recently installed Spambayes and I am truly amazed at the results! > >One part I cannot figure out is, in the Spambayes Manager under the Advanced >tab there are two settings. One called "Processing start delay" and it is >set at 2 seconds and "Delay between processing items" and it is set at 1 >second. What do the actually do and how would changing the times affect the >operation of this program. > >Thanks in advance for any help in explaining this to me. Processing start delay = how long SpamBayes waits, after being informed by Outlook of new mail arriving, before beginning to filter the new messages Delay between processing items = how long SpamBayes waits, after filtering one message, before moving onto the next one As to why, it's to do with Outlook's message rules, and it may take some experimentation to find the ideal values for your system. There's a little more info here: http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/BackgroundScanningForOutlookRules FWIW, I don't have any problems with the values 1.0 and 0.5, and I'm running about a dozen rules, mostly server-side (Exchange Server 2000). -- Mat. From content-scanner at fw-notify.net Fri Jul 9 00:40:59 2004 From: content-scanner at fw-notify.net (EMail Content Scanner) Date: Fri Jul 9 00:41:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] [rsag-asl.rothorn.ch ] [WAR 032] Blocked mail [Mail Delivery (failure chaer@rothorn.ch)] Message-ID: Your EMail with subject 'Mail Delivery (failure chaer@rothorn.ch)', sent to the recipient(s) chaer@rothorn.ch contains a file attachment of type '[scr]'. Our organization does not accept files of this type by email. The message has NOT been delivered to the recipients. If you have further questions, please contact the postmaster (mailto:info@mountainmedia.ch). -- Message generated by Astaro Security Linux From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 9 05:00:58 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jul 9 05:00:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [spambayes-bugs] SpamBayes will not stay loaded In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070ADDC3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780D4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Logfile shows these lines w/ or w/o verbose switch: > > ============================= begin ============================ > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 555, in ? > File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 551, in main > File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 197, in __init__ > File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 423, in Start > File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 266, in StartService > pywintypes.error: > (1058, 'StartService', 'The service cannot be started, either because > it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices associated with > it.') [...] > sb_tray will run if I start sb_server this way, but not > standalone. So the problem is with the service specifically. You could try uninstalling the service ("pop3proxy_service remove") and installing it again (this is just the service itself, so won't touch any configuration or training). Otherwise, take a look at the service in the Windows Services control panel (possibly under Adminisitrative Tools, depending on how your Windows is setup). Is it perhaps disabled there? Or something else odd is happening there? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 9 05:04:40 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jul 9 05:04:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Important: new feature! In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA09A4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02CD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I understand what you're saying, and I've re-trained > spambayes on equal numbers of HAM and SPAM, 300 each. Yet, it > still has a tendency to classify some HAM as spam. A > significant percentage is like maybe 25% of my regular > announcement mail gets spamflagged... Something is definitely not working here - a 25% false positive rate is extraordinarily high. You shouldn't even get as high as 2.5%. Perhaps you could send the spam clues report for one of these messages (before any training on it) to the list? We could take a look at it and see if there's an obvious reason that it's failing to be classified correctly. > Perhaps I have a better > solution: I have a lot of mailtraffic from the local > university network and a lot of correspondence, announcements > etc arrive from addresses with the "phys.uu.nl" suffix. > Surely it must be possible to exclude messages whose > returnaddress contain that string (or other certified > addresses) from further processing by spambayes? This is called "whitelisting", and SpamBayes does not do it. For a lengthy explanation, please see FAQ 6.6: You ought to be able to implement some sort of whitelisting with Outlook's rule system, however. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From homestead-NathanWestlingnhf at aggressivesystems.com Fri Jul 9 06:11:51 2004 From: homestead-NathanWestlingnhf at aggressivesystems.com (Harwell Saiki) Date: Fri Jul 9 05:17:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Available Now Norton Internet Security Pro 2004 Message-ID: <967fb$94914zroeaok@uf21.leapfrog.Nathanbhw@aggressivesystems.com> OEM Software! Amazing software at the lowest prices available! MS Windows XP Professional retail: 200 *ours: 80 you save: 120 http://excellentsoft.info/index.php?s=6361 Microsoft Office 2003 Professional retail: 300 *ours: 120 you save: 180 http://excellentsoft.info/index.php?s=6361 Other Awesome Titles: Adobe Photoshop 8.0/CS Macromedia Studio MX 2004 Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional Norton Internet Security Pro 2004 Quicken 2004 Premier Home & Biz Ahead NERO 6.3 POWERPACK QuickBooks 2004 Premier Edition Adobe Illustrator CS /full new version and Alot More! Check us out at: http://excellentsoft.info/index.php?s=6361 You're receiving this email on behalf of partners and intrests that you have requested information from previously, if you do not want to be included anymore go to http://excellentsoft.info/soft/chair.php From accusatoryexperimentally at sympatico.ca Fri Jul 9 05:34:11 2004 From: accusatoryexperimentally at sympatico.ca (Sunil Puck) Date: Fri Jul 9 05:29:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Hurry now and 6uy C1ALI|S & LEV1T|RA this weekend on a brighter n0te ! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040708/da6b9183/attachment.html From brian at bmthomas.com Fri Jul 9 06:58:02 2004 From: brian at bmthomas.com (Brian Thomas) Date: Fri Jul 9 06:58:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] documentation assistance In-Reply-To: <40E85ACC.2010404@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <200407090458.i694vx5C005143@rs13.luxsci.com> Hi all, I'll be submitting some updated docs for review. Cheers > -----Original Message----- > From: papaDoc [mailto:papaDoc@videotron.ca] > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 12:30 PM > To: brian@bmthomas.com; spambayes@python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] documentation assistance > > Hi Brian, > > > > I have been using SpamBayes for over a year and I recommended it > > everyone. It's a solid product worth a purchase price; because it's free > > software I would like to offer my help in writing user or training > > documentation for Spambayes Outlook and/or Spambayes Linux. I am > > well-versed in the setup and tweaking of Spambayes and I would enjoy > > being able to contribute. > > You are welcome ;-) > > Since most of the programmer of Spambayes are "programmer" the > documentation is not very good. > > What you can do is write some stuff then you can submit it as a patch > (even if this is a complete new file). > > You can also discuss your change on the devel mailing list. > > Remi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3735 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040708/9536f073/smime.bin From clo at netvision.net.il Fri Jul 9 12:25:01 2004 From: clo at netvision.net.il (CLO) Date: Fri Jul 9 11:27:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <009b01c4659e$fe51fa40$0100a8c0@Central> I'm moving all the data and program from the existing computer to a new Computer include the Outlook XP (O.S. Win XP). How can I kip the SpamBayes link and all the configurations history? C.L. Organization (CLO) Phone: +972-9-8666187 fax : +972-9-8663540 clo@netvision.net.il http://www.clo.co.il -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040709/8de3a8f8/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 9 11:52:55 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jul 9 11:53:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070AE395@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780D8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm moving all the data and program from the > existing computer to a new Computer include the > Outlook XP (O.S. Win XP). How can I kip the SpamBayes > link and all the configurations history? Please see FAQs 3.5 and 3.6: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From content-scanner at fw-notify.net Fri Jul 9 12:04:15 2004 From: content-scanner at fw-notify.net (EMail Content Scanner) Date: Fri Jul 9 12:04:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] [rsag-asl.rothorn.ch ] [WAR 032] Blocked mail [Mail Delivery (failure chaer@rothorn.ch)] Message-ID: Your EMail with subject 'Mail Delivery (failure chaer@rothorn.ch)', sent to the recipient(s) chaer@rothorn.ch contains a file attachment of type '[scr]'. Our organization does not accept files of this type by email. The message has NOT been delivered to the recipients. If you have further questions, please contact the postmaster (mailto:info@mountainmedia.ch). -- Message generated by Astaro Security Linux From chinee800 at yahoo.com.cn Fri Jul 9 13:05:20 2004 From: chinee800 at yahoo.com.cn (China Inflatable Inc.) Date: Fri Jul 9 13:05:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] I got your info from your website,Hope cooperation. Message-ID: <20040709110528.6E20B1E4002@bag.python.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040709/de56e086/attachment.htm From agonzalo at es.amnesty.org Fri Jul 9 14:03:59 2004 From: agonzalo at es.amnesty.org (Gonzalo, Angel) Date: Fri Jul 9 14:06:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] =?windows-1252?q?Respuesta_autom=E1tica_de_Fuera_de_?= =?windows-1252?q?la_oficina=3A_?= Message-ID: <28AC9892C4836B43B6DBC4F6640E0D93145B5E@aises001.es.amnesty.org> Estar? fuera de la oficina hasta el 2 de agosto. Por favor, contacta con Carmen L?pez (clopez@es.amnesty.org.Tel. 91 310 12 77) para cualquier cosa urgente. Muchas Gracias. I will be out of the office until 2nd August. Please contact with Carmen L?pez (clopez@es.amnesty.org. 00 34 91 310 12 77) for urgents issues. Thank you very much. From mlarma at INTERCERVE.com Fri Jul 9 16:17:11 2004 From: mlarma at INTERCERVE.com (Mark Larma) Date: Fri Jul 9 16:17:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] AMD Athlon64 and NX Message-ID: I wasn't able to get SpamBayes to work with the NX function enabled on my Athlon64 laptop under 32 bit WinXP with SP2 RC2. Is this a known issue and is there anyway around this where I can turn on NX again and SpamBayes works or SpamBayes is excluded from the NX function? Thanks, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem I am having is when I make any change on the confirmation page or even if I keep the current settings I get the following series of error messages and any modificatons I made are not saved. Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 461, in found_terminator File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 770, in onChangeopts File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 731, in verifyInput File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 862, in verifyInput File "spambayes\OptionsClass.pyc", line 585, in convert File "spambayes\OptionsClass.pyc", line 266, in convert AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'split' From urzz13 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 15:41:14 2004 From: urzz13 at yahoo.com (Jim) Date: Sat Jul 10 15:41:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Add in does not load Message-ID: <20040710134114.53276.qmail@web90110.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Good morning. I have this wonderful piece of software on my desktop at work (win 98 SE/Outlook 2000. It works very well. Just received a new lap top (win 2000 pro/outlook XP), and SpamBayes was the first download I made. The installation sequence went well, however, the addin does not load. I have been through the troubleshooting guide - when I check the COM Add-ins, SpamBayes is not listed. Also, I have uninstalled, and reinstalled, with no luck. Not sure what other details you would need to help me, but if you have questions, let me know. Thanks Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040710/fad5fc3e/attachment.htm From philip.delancy at tesco.net Sat Jul 10 19:21:14 2004 From: philip.delancy at tesco.net (Philip Delancy) Date: Sat Jul 10 19:20:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration problem? Message-ID: <010a01c466a2$4e3a5f80$055389d9@blueberry> Hi guys, I've been trying to set up Spambayes and can't progress. I've spent hours going through all your material and FAQs. I run Windows 98SE with Outlook Express and Spambayes v 0.6. I've set port numbers 8110 and 8111 for my 2 mail accounts and checked all the boxes in Header Options. When I try to set "localhost" in my incoming mail server instead of pop.compuserve.com it rejects it. Do I need to set anything else to do with the proxy server? Spambayes looks as if it might be good when it's working, I get a lot of spam. I can let you know then. Kind regards, Philip Delancy www.philipdelancy.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040710/b682b918/attachment.html From papaDoc at videotron.ca Sun Jul 11 14:58:33 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Sun Jul 11 14:58:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: AttributeError In-Reply-To: <20040710023002.6934A1E4002@bag.python.org> References: <20040710023002.6934A1E4002@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <40F13979.4040004@videotron.ca> Hi, > I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc1 (May 2004) (binary), > with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit > (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service > Pack 1). I have trained 458 ham and 2398 spam. > > The problem I am having is when I make any change on the confirmation > page or even if I keep the current settings I get the following series > of error messages and any modificatons I made are not saved. > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", line 461, in found_terminator > > File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 770, in onChangeopts > > File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 731, in verifyInput > > File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 862, in verifyInput > > File "spambayes\OptionsClass.pyc", line 585, in convert > > File "spambayes\OptionsClass.pyc", line 266, in convert > > AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'split' This problem has been reported by a number of people, with lots of difference options. I can't duplicate it, and am reasonably convinced that it's caused by the configuration file having an old version of an option, but I don't know which one. Any chance that you could send us (or me) your configuration file? You can remove or XXX out the server values, if you like. Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From philip.delancy at tesco.net Sun Jul 11 16:28:02 2004 From: philip.delancy at tesco.net (Philip Delancy) Date: Sun Jul 11 16:27:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration problem? Message-ID: <006501c46753$4663ab20$345289d9@blueberry> ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Delancy To: spambayes@python.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Configuration problem? Hi guys, I've been trying to set up Spambayes and can't progress. I've spent hours going through all your material and FAQs. I run Windows 98SE with Outlook Express and Spambayes v 0.6. I've set port numbers 8110 and 8111 for my 2 mail accounts and checked all the boxes in Header Options. When I try to set "localhost" in my incoming and outgoing mail server instead of 1) mail.tesco.net and 2) pop.compuserve.com and smtp.compuserve.com it rejects it. Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long period of inactivity. Account: 'Phil Appleton', Server: 'localhost', Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F Do I need to set anything else to do with the proxy server? I'm not sure where to find "the name of the machine". Spambayes looks as if it might be good when it's working, I get a lot of spam. I can let you know then. Kind regards, Philip Delancy www.philipdelancy.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040711/d23fcd2d/attachment.htm From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com Sun Jul 11 18:13:18 2004 From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker) Date: Sun Jul 11 18:13:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration problem? In-Reply-To: <006501c46753$4663ab20$345289d9@blueberry> References: <006501c46753$4663ab20$345289d9@blueberry> Message-ID: <38BEF380-D355-11D8-9D8F-000A95E09D92@rbwconsulting.com> The error message says you set the server name to "localhost" but left the port number at "110". You need to switch it to 8110 for one account and 8111 for the other. On Jul 11, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Philip Delancy wrote: > I've set port numbers 8110 and 8111 for my 2 mail accounts and checked > all the boxes in Header Options. > ? > When I try to set "localhost" in my incoming and outgoing mail server > instead of 1) mail.tesco.net and 2) pop.compuserve.com and > smtp.compuserve.com it rejects it. > ? > ? > Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible > causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long > period of inactivity. Account: 'Phil Appleton', Server: 'localhost', > Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F > ? From papaDoc at videotron.ca Sun Jul 11 19:05:09 2004 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Sun Jul 11 19:05:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: AttributeError In-Reply-To: <40F16CB6.1050402@oz.net> References: <20040710023002.6934A1E4002@bag.python.org> <40F13979.4040004@videotron.ca> <40F16CB6.1050402@oz.net> Message-ID: <40F17345.3090605@videotron.ca> Hi Frank, > You mean the "bayescustomize.ini" file, or something else? Yes P.S. You should send the file on the mailings list if you want a better change of awser since I don't know all the possible settings. Remi --- cut --- >>> Traceback (most recent call last): File "spambayes\Dibbler.pyc", >>> line 461, in found_terminator File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", >>> line 770, in onChangeopts File "spambayes\ProxyUI.pyc", line 731, >>> in verifyInput File "spambayes\UserInterface.pyc", line 862, in >>> verifyInput File "spambayes\OptionsClass.pyc", line 585, in >>> convert File "spambayes\OptionsClass.pyc", line 266, in convert >>> AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'split' --- cut --- >> I can't duplicate it, and am reasonably convinced >> that it's caused by the configuration file having an old version of an >> option, but I don't know which one. >> >> Any chance that you could send us (or me) your configuration file? >> You can remove or XXX out the server values, if you like. Remi -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Email From kerhop at oz.net Sun Jul 11 19:20:35 2004 From: kerhop at oz.net (kerhop@oz.net) Date: Sun Jul 11 19:20:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: Attribute Error Message-ID: <20040711172037.0AF081E4002@bag.python.org> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 212 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040711/26eb5aba/SpamBayesServer1.obj -------------- next part -------------- I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc1 (May 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 1). I have trained 483 ham and 2398 spam. The problem I am having is AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'split' when saving configuration settings as emailed out earlier. It has been suggested to me to include the contents of my bayescustomize.ini file so here it is (the reason why the servers are different is oz.net has a bring-your-own-access plan where one can still have an email account, oz.net is my former dial-up ISP: [pop3proxy] listen_ports:110 remote_servers:mail.oz.net [smtpproxy] ham_address:good@localhost listen_ports:25 remote_servers:smtp.comcast.net spam_address:spam@localhost [Categorization] ham_cutoff:0.2 spam_cutoff:0.7 [Headers] notate_to:spam [smtpproxy] use_cached_message:True From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com Mon Jul 12 00:33:21 2004 From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker) Date: Mon Jul 12 00:33:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration problem? In-Reply-To: <010201c4678a$a5e7dbc0$2e5389d9@blueberry> References: <006501c46753$4663ab20$345289d9@blueberry> <38BEF380-D355-11D8-9D8F-000A95E09D92@rbwconsulting.com> <010201c4678a$a5e7dbc0$2e5389d9@blueberry> Message-ID: <50889E3C-D38A-11D8-99E7-000A95E09D92@rbwconsulting.com> Phil, Good to hear, but always address questions to mailing list as well, we are all volunteers and often are busy with "real work". By addressing the list you get the benefit of many people helping out. -- Adam On Jul 11, 2004, at 4:59 PM, Philip Delancy wrote: > Thanks, I've now got it going and have set up a message rule for > "spam," to > go to an inbox. I'll let you have any more feedback if there is any. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Walker" > To: "Philip Delancy" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Configuration problem? > > > The error message says you set the server name to "localhost" but left > the port number at "110". You need to switch it to 8110 for one account > and 8111 for the other. > > On Jul 11, 2004, at 10:28 AM, Philip Delancy wrote: >> I've set port numbers 8110 and 8111 for my 2 mail accounts and checked >> all the boxes in Header Options. >> >> When I try to set "localhost" in my incoming and outgoing mail server >> instead of 1) mail.tesco.net and 2) pop.compuserve.com and >> smtp.compuserve.com it rejects it. >> >> >> Your server has unexpectedly terminated the connection. Possible >> causes for this include server problems, network problems, or a long >> period of inactivity. Account: 'Phil Appleton', Server: 'localhost', >> Protocol: POP3, Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Error Number: 0x800CCC0F >> > > From kerhop at oz.net Mon Jul 12 04:31:52 2004 From: kerhop at oz.net (Frank) Date: Mon Jul 12 04:31:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Problem with POP3 Proxy: Attribute Error Message-ID: <40F1F818.9070005@oz.net> I fixed my own problem by resetting to defaults then reconfiguring it to use my preferred settings, the only difference between the new and old .INI file is the following line was missing. Apparently, if it's not within the INI file originally it doesn't automatically add this line and thus the 'tuple' object has no attribute 'split' error occurs while trying to update it. This happens regardless if one selects a True or False setting, if the line isn't there the error will occur. use_cached_message:True Thank you papaDoc for pointing me in the right direction! :-) kerhop@oz.net wrote: >I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc1 (May 2004) (binary), >with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit >(Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service >Pack 1). I have trained 483 ham and 2398 spam. > >The problem I am having is AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no >attribute 'split' when saving configuration settings as emailed out >earlier. It has been suggested to me to include the contents of my >bayescustomize.ini file so here it is (the reason why the servers are >different is oz.net has a bring-your-own-access plan where one can >still have an email account, oz.net is my former dial-up ISP: > >[pop3proxy] >listen_ports:110 >remote_servers:mail.oz.net >[smtpproxy] >ham_address:good@localhost >listen_ports:25 >remote_servers:smtp.comcast.net >spam_address:spam@localhost >[Categorization] >ham_cutoff:0.2 >spam_cutoff:0.7 >[Headers] >notate_to:spam >[smtpproxy] >use_cached_message:True > > From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 12 05:42:42 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 12 05:42:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: AttributeError In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13070AE8BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780E0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > This problem has been reported by a number of people, with lots of > difference options. I believe this is the same as: [ 961713 ] server error when trying to change Statistics Options If so, then it should be fixed in 1.0rc2 (the bug reports have said that 1.0rc1 is being used, which doesn't have the fix). It would be worth upgrading and seeing if that would help. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 12 07:35:31 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 12 07:35:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ: 4.18 How do I use a pickle for storage? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA099F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02D7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Quote: "To use a pickle, set the option "persistent_use_database" to > False in your configuration file..." > > The link to the configuration files doesn't work, and the question it > links to isn't in the list. Thanks, I'll fix that. The question it's referring to has been renamed to a much simpler "how do I configure SpamBayes". The info is in that question and the ones immediately after it. > Furthermore, I can't find any configuration > file in any of the directories, even the hidden ones. >From the following information, it sounds like this is because you've never configured SpamBayes. The file is only created when you first save your configuration, so if you've never got that far, then you won't have one to find. > I'm trying to setup Spambayes on my Mac OS X 10.3. I just installed > Python 2.3 which I just downloaded. [bsddb not available] Hmm. I thought that bsddb was included with all versions of 2.3, including the one that Apple bundles with Jaguar. I could easily be wrong, though. I've cc'd this to Skip, because I believe he would know the answer to that (and might otherwise miss this message). Skip? > So I'm a bit confused. What should I do? You can still use a pickle, although you're right that this makes it difficult to do that! (We'll have to address that at some point). You'll need to create a "bayescustomize.ini" or ".spambayesrc" file yourself and put in it: [Storage] persistent_use_database:pickle (without the leading spaces). The tricky thing is where to put it. Again, Skip would know this better than me stuck here on my Windows machine. I suspect that calling it ".spambayesrc" and putting it in your Home directory would work, but I might be wrong. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From fernribeiro52004xz at mailcity.com Mon Jul 12 15:49:43 2004 From: fernribeiro52004xz at mailcity.com (Fernando Ribeiro) Date: Mon Jul 12 15:49:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Mala Direta por e-mail - Listas atualizadas: http://www.divulgamail.vze.com Message-ID: <20040712134923.B74BC1E4006@bag.python.org> Emails super atualizados para mala direta, listas de e-mails para divulga??o, email marketing, programas para envio e captura de e-mails. Cadastros segmentados por estados e atividades http://www.gueb.de/divulgamail Emails segmentados e genericos para marketing direto (mala direta por e-mail),valida??o de listas de emails,dicas,bulk mail,e-list,lista eletr?nica,cadastros de home pages em sites de buscas, publicidade, propaganda, marketing, bulk mail http://www.gueb.de/divulgamail From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jul 12 22:46:47 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jul 12 22:46:56 2004 Subject: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] RE: [Spambayes] Configuration of multiple email addresses In-Reply-To: <003701c4663c$1c149b80$6501a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: Chuck Cummins wrote: > How do I identify "localhost" in my Incoming mail address line? > I've listed all incoming addresses, separated by commas, as > prescribed. > In assigning ports, is it ok to identif 8110,8111,8112,8113, for the > 4 email accounts we're using? It's not entirely clear to me what parts of the configuration you've filled out correctly and what parts you're still missing. I'll try to explain in as much detail as I can where all the configuration information goes, and hopefully you can then figure out how to apply that to your setup. The first thing you need to do is configure SpamBayes correctly via the Web interface, so select Configure from the SpamBayes tray icon. The first box at the top of the page is labeled "POP3 Proxy Options" and this is where you will set up all of the POP3 mail servers that you access. In the "Remote Servers" box, you need to provide a comma-separated list of the different servers that you receive mail from. It will contain something like "mail.server1.com,mail.server2.com". If you have several accounts that receive mail from the same mail server then you only need to list that server once. In the "SpamBayes Ports" box, you need to provide a comma-separated list of ports that SpamBayes will use to represent the different servers you listed in "Remote Servers". There should be one port in this list for each server. Following my earlier example you would enter "8110,8111". SpamBayes would then use port 8110 to represent server mail.server1.com and port 8111 to represent mail.server2.com. If you actually have 4 separate servers in "Remote Servers" for your 4 email accounts then you would enter "8110,8111,8112,8113". After you save your configuration changes, SpamBayes is all set to process your mail. Now you need to configure your mail client to talk to SpamBayes. You appear to be using Outlook Express, so I'll describe the settings based on that. Go to Tools / Accounts, and then open up the properties for your first mail account. On the Servers tab, set the "Incoming mail (POP3)" server to localhost (but don't forget what the original server was). Now you need to switch to the Advanced tab to configure the port numbers. Again using my example servers from the SpamBayes configuration, if the account was originally set to get mail from mail.server1.com then you change the "Incoming mail (POP3)" port to 8110. If the account was set to get mail from mail.server2.com then you would change the port to 8111. When you were configuring the SpamBayes options, you may have noticed another section for "SMTP Proxy Options". It is probably best to ignore this section. Some people assume that the SMTP Proxy provides some form of filtering at the SMTP level, but it is actually just a different way of training misclassified messages. If you are going to use the Web interface for training then you don't need the SMTP Proxy at all, and it only complicates the setup. Once you get everything configured so that your mail is processed through SpamBayes, there are still some additional things you will need to set up before Outlook Express will remove spam from your Inbox. This link is for an archived message that describes how to set up your rules in Outlook Express: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2004-March/011652.html You might also take a look at question 2.1 in the FAQ: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-e xpress If you have any further questions then reply back and please copy the spambayes mailing list on your reply. Try to be as explicit as possible about what settings you have changed, what values you have set for them, and what isn't working correctly. -- Kenny Pitt From balperin at Easyask.com Mon Jul 12 22:48:32 2004 From: balperin at Easyask.com (Alperin, Robert) Date: Mon Jul 12 22:57:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Un-Install/Re-Install SpamBayes Message-ID: I've been using SpamBayes for a couple of weeks now -- it was working pretty well until I inadvertently deleted the Junk Suspect folder today. I tried adding a new folder where I thought the old folder used to be, but SpamBayes doesn't seem to recognize it. I thought I would un-install and then re-install SapmBayes, but after doing so multiple times I'm not getting the wizard to pop up when I start Outlook, and it is not creating a Junk suspect folder automatically. Any suggestions about what I should do? Thanks. Bob Alperin President & CEO EasyAsk, Inc. (508) 624-8500 x101 (617) 921-9797 (m) balperin@easyask.com From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jul 12 23:17:33 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jul 12 23:17:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Un-Install/Re-Install SpamBayes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alperin, Robert wrote: > I've been using SpamBayes for a couple of weeks now -- it was working > pretty well until I inadvertently deleted the Junk Suspect folder > today. I tried adding a new folder where I thought the old folder > used to be, but SpamBayes doesn't seem to recognize it. I thought I > would un-install and then re-install SapmBayes, but after doing so > multiple times I'm not getting the wizard to pop up when I start > Outlook, and it is not creating a Junk suspect folder automatically. > > Any suggestions about what I should do? Thanks. See FAQ 3.13: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-fol der -- Kenny Pitt From Rich at RBarger.com Mon Jul 12 23:26:48 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Mon Jul 12 23:27:04 2004 Subject: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] RE: [Spambayes] Configuration of multiple emailaddresses References: Message-ID: <40F30218.E7BB53D0@RBarger.com> Kenny, this is >another< excellent explanation that ought to be in the FAQ. (As well as your first link, below). Rich Barger --- Kenny Pitt wrote: > Chuck Cummins wrote: > > How do I identify "localhost" in my Incoming mail address line? > > I've listed all incoming addresses, separated by commas, as > > prescribed. > > In assigning ports, is it ok to identif 8110,8111,8112,8113, for the > > 4 email accounts we're using? > > It's not entirely clear to me what parts of the configuration you've filled > out correctly and what parts you're still missing. I'll try to explain in > as much detail as I can where all the configuration information goes, and > hopefully you can then figure out how to apply that to your setup. > > The first thing you need to do is configure SpamBayes correctly via the Web > interface, so select Configure from the SpamBayes tray icon. The first box > at the top of the page is labeled "POP3 Proxy Options" and this is where you > will set up all of the POP3 mail servers that you access. In the "Remote > Servers" box, you need to provide a comma-separated list of the different > servers that you receive mail from. It will contain something like > "mail.server1.com,mail.server2.com". If you have several accounts that > receive mail from the same mail server then you only need to list that > server once. > > In the "SpamBayes Ports" box, you need to provide a comma-separated list of > ports that SpamBayes will use to represent the different servers you listed > in "Remote Servers". There should be one port in this list for each server. > Following my earlier example you would enter "8110,8111". SpamBayes would > then use port 8110 to represent server mail.server1.com and port 8111 to > represent mail.server2.com. If you actually have 4 separate servers in > "Remote Servers" for your 4 email accounts then you would enter > "8110,8111,8112,8113". > > After you save your configuration changes, SpamBayes is all set to process > your mail. Now you need to configure your mail client to talk to SpamBayes. > You appear to be using Outlook Express, so I'll describe the settings based > on that. Go to Tools / Accounts, and then open up the properties for your > first mail account. On the Servers tab, set the "Incoming mail (POP3)" > server to localhost (but don't forget what the original server was). Now > you need to switch to the Advanced tab to configure the port numbers. Again > using my example servers from the SpamBayes configuration, if the account > was originally set to get mail from mail.server1.com then you change the > "Incoming mail (POP3)" port to 8110. If the account was set to get mail > from mail.server2.com then you would change the port to 8111. > > When you were configuring the SpamBayes options, you may have noticed > another section for "SMTP Proxy Options". It is probably best to ignore > this section. Some people assume that the SMTP Proxy provides some form of > filtering at the SMTP level, but it is actually just a different way of > training misclassified messages. If you are going to use the Web interface > for training then you don't need the SMTP Proxy at all, and it only > complicates the setup. > > Once you get everything configured so that your mail is processed through > SpamBayes, there are still some additional things you will need to set up > before Outlook Express will remove spam from your Inbox. This link is for > an archived message that describes how to set up your rules in Outlook > Express: > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2004-March/011652.html > > You might also take a look at question 2.1 in the FAQ: > > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-e > xpress > > If you have any further questions then reply back and please copy the > spambayes mailing list on your reply. Try to be as explicit as possible > about what settings you have changed, what values you have set for them, and > what isn't working correctly. > > -- > Kenny Pitt From samnicholls at appintec.com Tue Jul 13 00:16:33 2004 From: samnicholls at appintec.com (samnicholls@appintec.com) Date: Tue Jul 13 00:16:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2000 problem when using Review Messages Message-ID: <002e01c4685d$e4033840$c900a8c0@dell750> I've been using SpamBayes version 1.0rc2 (or is it 0.6?) configured in proxy mode for a couple of weeks. My email client is Outlook Express. I receive a lot of email in numerous accounts, and after training it initially with about 2000 good messages and 2000 spam messages it is doing a really great job of identifying spam. However the following sometimes happens when I attempt to do further training. Often, but not always, W2K stops responding normally after clicking on Review Messages. The browser launches to a white screen, but never gets to the point of displaying the normal training page. I cannot launch new applications. Some applications already active will respond, but will not Close. Ctrl-Alt-Del initially brings up its normal window, after clicking on Task Manager the normal desktop reappears, but the task manager window never appears. Subsequent ctrl-alt-del requests are ignored. The only clue comes after trying to shut down Zone Alarm. After a timeout period, it displays this message: "ZoneAlarm is waiting for the TrueVector Internet Monitor to unload". Clicking on Cancel in this dialog box is ignored, the window remains. Eventually nothing responds except mouseover messages on the task bar, and a hard reset of the PC is necessary. In 4 years of using W2K I have never known anything which will lock up W2K to this degree. Help please!! Sam Nicholls -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040712/6c68bc68/attachment.html From Curtis.Muncy at catapultsystems.com Tue Jul 13 00:30:45 2004 From: Curtis.Muncy at catapultsystems.com (Curtis Muncy) Date: Tue Jul 13 00:30:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying spambayes. Seems great so far, but I have a question. I'm the Exchange admin for my company and I have several different profiles created for outlook (2003). This allows me to select a specific profile to open a specific mailbox giving my access to things like server based rule for "that" mailbox. To clarify, I'm logged in to windows as the same user but can select different profiles which connect to different mailboxes and sometimes a different exchange server. At first look, it appears that the database (corpus) used by spambayes is the same no matter which of these profiles I open. Is this true? Is there any way to get spambayes to maintain different databases for different mailboxes? Hope this is clear enough Curtis Muncy Managing Consultant, Catapult Systems 281-380-9355 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040712/be6c5267/attachment.htm From skip at pobox.com Mon Jul 12 14:22:32 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Jul 13 01:02:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ: 4.18 How do I use a pickle for storage? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02D7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1306FA099F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02D7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <16626.33416.910764.349695@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> I'm trying to setup Spambayes on my Mac OS X 10.3. I just installed >> Python 2.3 which I just downloaded. Tony> [bsddb not available] Tony> Hmm. I thought that bsddb was included with all versions of 2.3, Tony> including the one that Apple bundles with Jaguar. I could easily Tony> be wrong, though. I've cc'd this to Skip, because I believe he Tony> would know the answer to that (and might otherwise miss this Tony> message). Skip? Apple's Python does indeed have bsddb, but it's the old, evil 1.85 thing that Spambayes won't use: % PYTHONSTARTUP= /usr/bin/python -S Python 2.2 (#1, 07/14/02, 23:25:09) [GCC Apple cpp-precomp 6.14] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import bsddb >>> dir(bsddb) ['__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', 'btopen', 'error', 'hashopen', 'rnopen'] (Note the very minimal API with just the *open functions.) You will not get the new non-evil bsddb package when installing Python unless you've already installed an acceptable version of Berkeley DB (>= 3.3 I think), though you may get bsddb185. I use fink so have it via that. You can download and install it from sleepycat.com though. Tony> You can still use a pickle, although you're right that this makes Tony> it difficult to do that! (We'll have to address that at some Tony> point). You'll need to create a "bayescustomize.ini" or Tony> ".spambayesrc" file yourself and put in it: Tony> [Storage] Tony> persistent_use_database:pickle Tony> (without the leading spaces). The tricky thing is where to put Tony> it. Again, Skip would know this better than me stuck here on my Tony> Windows machine. I suspect that calling it ".spambayesrc" and Tony> putting it in your Home directory would work, but I might be Tony> wrong. You can put it anywhere you like as long as you have a BAYESCUSTOMIZE environment variable that refers to it, e.g.: BAYESCUSTOMIZE=$HOME/hammie.opt ; export BAYESCUSTOMIZE Skip From Rich at RBarger.com Tue Jul 13 01:32:50 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Tue Jul 13 01:33:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Windows 2000 problem when using Review Messages References: <002e01c4685d$e4033840$c900a8c0@dell750> Message-ID: <40F31FA2.AA1F56B8@RBarger.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040712/c2d81750/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jul 13 01:54:26 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jul 13 01:54:33 2004 Subject: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] RE: [Spambayes] Configuration of multiple emailaddresses In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A311B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780FC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [explanation of setup explained] > Kenny, this is >another< excellent explanation that ought to > be in the FAQ. (As well as your first link, below). Or perhaps, if you have the time to do it, you could look at the sb_server documentation (the readme in the windows directory that gets opened after install) and try and work some of this into it. Setup instructions like this really belong there, not in the FAQ, IMO. (FWIW, once I get time, I'd really like to work on both pop3dnd and the autoconfigure stuff for 1.1, so that much of this can be done automatically in many cases). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jul 13 02:00:40 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jul 13 02:00:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A311D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780FD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > At first look, it appears that the database > (corpus) used by spambayes is the same no matter > which of these [Outlook] profiles I open. Is this > true? Is there any way to get spambayes to maintain > different databases for different mailboxes? Yes, this is true. The location of the databases is determined by the Windows settings (typically includes the Windows username), and not at all by Outlook's settings. The configuration, OTOH, should be Outlook profile specific. You can change the directory used for this data, but again that's a per Windows user setting. I can't think of any way to do what you ask without using some sort of script to shuffle the databases about. However, I believe this would be a reasonably simple change (naming the databases "{profile name}_bayes_database.db" and "{profile name}_message_database.db" in much the same way as the configuration files are named). You could open a feature request for this , and I suspect it would get added. However, this wouldn't make it into a release until 1.1a1, which could be some time away, so you'd have to either wait or run from source. (But maybe someone else here can think of a way around this with the existing release). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Ronald.van.Vliet at dynomic.nl Tue Jul 13 10:02:19 2004 From: Ronald.van.Vliet at dynomic.nl (Ronald van Vliet) Date: Tue Jul 13 10:02:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 crashed when access Spambayes functions Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2037 bytes Desc: spambayes1.log Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040713/6ba5bd1e/spambayes1-0001.obj From ll at heise.de Tue Jul 13 15:15:15 2004 From: ll at heise.de (c't-Shareware-Team) Date: Tue Jul 13 15:15:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Message-ID: English version at the end of this e-mail Sehr geehrter Programmautor, wir betreiben unter http://www.heise.de/ct/shareware/ ein gut besuchtes Verzeichnis von Free- und Shareware- Programmen. Einer unserer Besucher hat uns auf Ihr Programm SpamBayes aufmerksam gemacht. Gerne würden wir Ihr Programm in unser Verzeichnis aufnehmen. Daher möchte ich Sie bitten Ihr Programm unter http://www.heise.de/ct/shareware/default.shtml?ad=af&v=1367 einzutragen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Ihr c't-Shareware-Team *** Dear Program Author, At http://www.heise.de/ct/shareware/, we keep a popular Free and Shareware archive. One of our visitors has recommended your program SpamBayes. In order to be able to include your program in our archive, we would like to ask you to provide further details to your program at http://www.heise.de/ct/shareware/default.shtml?ad=af&v=1367&lang=e Yours, c't Shareware Team From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jul 13 15:54:21 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue Jul 13 15:54:28 2004 Subject: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] RE: [Spambayes] Configuration of multiple emailaddresses In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780FC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony Meyer wrote: > [explanation of setup explained] >> Kenny, this is >another< excellent explanation that ought to be in >> the FAQ. (As well as your first link, below). > > Or perhaps, if you have the time to do it, you could look at the > sb_server documentation (the readme in the windows directory that > gets opened after > install) and try and work some of this into it. Setup instructions > like this really belong there, not in the FAQ, IMO. I agree, and I'll see what I can do. Should be just a matter of cleaning up and formatting a little bit, so I might be able to squeeze it in over the next couple of weeks. If and when I get to it, I'll also update the FAQ to include a pointer to the full documentation instead of the actual instructions. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jul 13 16:04:04 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue Jul 13 16:04:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046780FD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony Meyer wrote: >> At first look, it appears that the database >> (corpus) used by spambayes is the same no matter which of these >> [Outlook] profiles I open. Is this true? Is there any way to get >> spambayes to maintain different databases for different mailboxes? > [snip] > > However, I believe this would be a reasonably simple change (naming > the databases "{profile name}_bayes_database.db" and "{profile > name}_message_database.db" in much the same way as the configuration > files are named). The precedent has been set. InBoxer already does it exactly this way. I can take a look at doing this. It shouldn't be that difficult since we've already retrieved the profile name in order to get the options file. The question is, will everyone want to have separate databases for each profile or will we need a way to optionally share a single database across profiles? -- Kenny Pitt From mpsmail at mainphoto.com Tue Jul 13 16:49:01 2004 From: mpsmail at mainphoto.com (Stuart Droker) Date: Tue Jul 13 16:54:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Filtering Message-ID: Sometimes, my inbox gets cluttered with Spam. Most of the time the filter seems to work well. In plain language, Do I use a higher number to tighen the controls? What #'s do you recommend for Spam and for Good? Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040713/dc67fee4/attachment.html From chris at percomp.net Tue Jul 13 17:09:44 2004 From: chris at percomp.net (Chris Bosscher) Date: Tue Jul 13 17:01:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: First congratulations on an absolutely fantastic product, I couldn?t survive without it! A question though, I am running 1.0RC2 on an XP Pro machine with Outlook 2000 Professional; I would really like to set spam to move to my deleted items folder instead of junk email but deleted items does not show up in the folder list when I click browse under filtering. Any thoughts? Thanks, Chris Bosscher Personal Computing 704-867-7697 704-718-3064 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040713/d1209d27/attachment.htm From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Tue Jul 13 17:38:16 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Tue Jul 13 17:38:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C2E5@SPIKE.city> Providing the option could be reasonably straightforward. (I'll resist the temptation to use the word "simple"!) You can use the default configuration files by, er, default and provide the ability to create profile-specific versions (presumably by copying the default versions) for any profile for which the user requests it. That would be fully backwards-compatible for any user who didn't want to go to the trouble. You should, however, use a naming convention different from the one Inboxer uses. Some users (me, for example) may have obsolete Inboxer configuration files lurking around for historical reasons. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Kenny Pitt > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:04 AM > To: 'Tony Meyer'; 'Curtis Muncy'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles > > > Tony Meyer wrote: > >> At first look, it appears that the database > >> (corpus) used by spambayes is the same no matter which of these > >> [Outlook] profiles I open. Is this true? Is there any way to get > >> spambayes to maintain different databases for different mailboxes? > > > [snip] > > > > However, I believe this would be a reasonably simple change (naming > > the databases "{profile name}_bayes_database.db" and "{profile > > name}_message_database.db" in much the same way as the configuration > > files are named). > > The precedent has been set. InBoxer already does it exactly this way. > > I can take a look at doing this. It shouldn't be that difficult since we've > already retrieved the profile name in order to get the options file. The > question is, will everyone want to have separate databases for each profile > or will we need a way to optionally share a single database across profiles? > > -- > Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jul 13 18:11:44 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue Jul 13 18:11:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Filtering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stuart Droker wrote: > Sometimes, my inbox gets cluttered with Spam. Most of the time the filter > seems to work well. In plain language, Do I use a higher number to tighen > the controls? What #'s do you recommend for Spam and for Good? The default cutoffs are set to what we "recommend" as a good starting point, but adjusting the numbers really depends on your personal mix of e-mail. I have my thresholds set to 15 for unsure and 60 for spam but that doesn't mean I would recommend those numbers for everyone. If you want more spam to be filtered to your Spam folder then you need to use a *lower* number for the Certain Spam score. The tradeoff is that you *increase* the chance that a good message gets filtered to spam and not just unsure. To figure out the best setting for your thresholds, you really need to look at the spam scores that your messages are getting. You can use "Show spam clues" to get all the details about a single message, or you can display the score in your Outlook view as described in Help / About SpamBayes. Always look at the score before you train on the message, because training will cause the score to change from how SpamBayes saw it when the message first arrived. First look for the lowest scores given to spam messages and adjust the Certain Spam score so that only a few anomalies fall into Unsure. For example, if the majority of your spam scores above 70 with only a few messages below that, set your cutoff to 70. Then look at the highest scores given to good messages and make sure that the new cutoff you have chosen gives you plenty of margin for error to prevent false positives. If you want, you can also adjust the Unsure cutoff similarly. Reducing the Unsure cutoff will cause more low-scoring messages to be pushed into the Unsure category. Above all, continue to train on the messages that aren't classified correctly and over time the accuracy of the SpamBayes filter should get better and better. If you get a lot more spam than you do good messages, just be careful not to let your training get too "unbalanced". If you train on many times more spam messages than good messages then this can cause the accuracy to get worse. We're working on ideas of how the filter can help keep your training in balance, but for now it is a manual process. If SpamBayes ever fails to identify a message when it seems the correct classification should be obvious, just post a copy of the "Show spam clues" output to the mailing list. Someone can probably help identify aspects of your training data that may be throwing SpamBayes off. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Tue Jul 13 18:20:42 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Tue Jul 13 18:21:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F5022C2E5@SPIKE.city> Message-ID: Coe, Bob wrote: > You should, however, use a naming convention different from the one > Inboxer uses. Some users (me, for example) may have obsolete Inboxer > configuration files lurking around for historical reasons. Yeah, we really should talk to Sean about using a different name for his "Application Data" directory. <0.5 wink> But seriously, we do use a different convention for the options configuration file, and AFAIK the bayes_database and message_database files should be compatible. The other InBoxer files are for extended features such as whitelisting and would be totally ignored by SpamBayes. -- Kenny Pitt From CKornago at rrc.mb.ca Tue Jul 13 19:01:17 2004 From: CKornago at rrc.mb.ca (Carl Kornago) Date: Tue Jul 13 19:06:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Web Access Message-ID: <0C01CE171615D1488011695197CFC44D5439DB@mercury.rrc.mb.ca> Can spambayes be setup to work the Exchanges Outlook Web Access? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <3D3A481E8BD467479AF9190FAB2617230BBCA8@STL-MAIL2.umsl.edu> I am running win2kpro and outlook 2000 sr-1 with spambayes 1.0b1. I am also syncing a Dell Axim Pocket PC with outlook using Active Sync ver 3.7 . I configure Spambayes to work after install and it works fine. Then one day it just quits filtering and tells me that it hasn't been configured correctly and I need to configure it to keep using it. When I go back in to the configuration manager, and choose train there are no folders for me to choose for Spambayes to filter or train from. The only way I know to resolve this is to completely uninstall and then reinstall Spambayes. This typically takes care of the problem for a 'while', then it happens again. It seems to me like the error occurs during a reset, or reboot when I don't get Outlook opened up before Activesync is looking for data in Outlook. I have attached a copy of my spambayes log with hopes that it might help. Thank you, <> Scott Armstead Coordinator Student Support Services University of Missouri St. Louis 314.516.6550 By the time a man realizes that maybe his father was right, he usually has a son who thinks he's wrong. -- Charles Wadsworth -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes4.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 39043 bytes Desc: spambayes4.log Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040713/05d68efb/spambayes4-0001.obj From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jul 14 01:59:33 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jul 14 01:59:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A3359@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02E7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Kenny] > Yeah, we really should talk to Sean about using a different > name for his "Application Data" directory. <0.5 wink> I'm not sure what the 0.5 wink is winking at...surely InBoxer doesn't store files in {App Data}\SpamBayes? > But seriously, we do use a different convention for the > options configuration file, and AFAIK the bayes_database and > message_database files should be compatible. I think we should ignore that. Realistically, we want to move away from bsddb, and InBoxer might want to put in other things, in the message_database in particular. [Bob] > You can use the default configuration files by, er, > default and provide the ability to create profile-specific > versions (presumably by copying the default versions) > for any profile for which the user requests it. That > would be fully backwards-compatible for any user who > didn't want to go to the trouble. This is more-or-less what I have in mind too: try to open up "{profile name}_bayes_database.db" and "{profile name}_message_database.db" and if they can't be found, use default_* if they are there, and if not (i.e. new users) create new {profile name}_* ones. [Kenny] > The question is, will everyone want to have separate > databases for each profile or will we need a way to > optionally share a single database across profiles? I think, to start with at least, this can be like registering for all users in that it has to be done manually. If we use the above scheme, then if you want to share the databases across profiles, all you have to do is rename your {profile name}_* files to default_*. (If 1.0 users want to switch to per-profile db's, they'll have to remove/rename their files too, but that's just an item for the release notes). =Tony Meyer (BTW I suppose if we discuss this more we should move to spambayes-dev, and maybe Mark will notice and approve it, too). From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jul 14 02:15:20 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jul 14 02:15:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Web Access In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A336A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467811D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Can spambayes be setup to work the Exchanges > Outlook Web Access? Not really. SpamBayes can't interface with OWA at all. However, if you have Outlook running (with SpamBayes installed) then mail will still be filtered, and you'll be able to see the changes with OWA. If you have the 'incremental training' options set, then you can also train SpamBayes with OWA by moving messages. For example: if I leave Outlook running here in my office, and access my mailbox from home with OWA, my office machine is still taking care of filtering out the junk mail. If I manually move (with OWA) a message from my Inbox to my spam folder, then my office machine will notice this and train it appropriately. It's not what I imagine you were after, but it's the best we can offer at the moment. Interfacing with OWA would be a very difficult task. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jul 14 02:43:29 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jul 14 02:43:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A3325@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678128@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I would really like to set spam to move to my > deleted items folder instead of junk email but > deleted items does not show up in the folder > list when I click browse under filtering. Please see FAQ 3.11: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From postmaster at amnesty.org Wed Jul 14 07:25:58 2004 From: postmaster at amnesty.org (InterScan MSS Notification) Date: Wed Jul 14 07:26:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Virus found, original message not delivered. Message-ID: <20040714061931.3702D1A0E4@rooster.amnesty.org> Your email address has been used to send us a message. A virus was found and so your message has been deleted. It has not been delivered to the intended recipient, and they have not been informed. If you want your message to be received, please re-send to the intended recipient without a virus. From RickFriedman at vfemail.net Wed Jul 14 07:57:34 2004 From: RickFriedman at vfemail.net (Rick Friedman) Date: Wed Jul 14 07:56:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamBayes with YahooPops! Message-ID: <13110669607.20040714015734@vfemail.net> Hello all! I have just started using SpamBayes and find that it works wonderfully. However, I am having a problem getting it to work with YahooPops! I have YahooPops configured as such: It is bound on IP address: 127.0.0.1 The POP3 port is: 117 This works perfectly fine with my email client. My client has the pop3 server set as 127.0.0.1 and the port as 117. I have tried to configure SpamBayes for use with YahooPops. I set the remote server to 127.0.0.1 and the SpamBayes port to 117. My email client still receives the email but it is not going through SpamBayes. It's as though SpamBayes is not there. SpamBayes still works with my other POP3 accounts though. Has anyone gotten it to work with YahooPops? If so, can you possibly shed some light for me? Thanks in advance! Rick -- The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ballgame at Yankee Stadium. From Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com Wed Jul 14 13:37:51 2004 From: Robert.Mezzone at PJSolomon.Com (Robert Mezzone) Date: Wed Jul 14 13:37:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Web Access Message-ID: <1254A68F4903D411B24800508B1220E90629EE7D@solomon1.pjsc.internal> It works the same with a Blackberry. Leave outlook running on the desktop, move the message between folders on the handheld and they also move back in the office, at least when using the Exchange version of the BB enterprise server and have wireless reconciliation turned on. Moving messages in this manner also trains Spambayes. Hth. Robert -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org To: 'Carl Kornago' ; spambayes@python.org Sent: Tue Jul 13 20:15:20 2004 Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Web Access > Can spambayes be setup to work the Exchanges > Outlook Web Access? Not really. SpamBayes can't interface with OWA at all. However, if you have Outlook running (with SpamBayes installed) then mail will still be filtered, and you'll be able to see the changes with OWA. If you have the 'incremental training' options set, then you can also train SpamBayes with OWA by moving messages. For example: if I leave Outlook running here in my office, and access my mailbox from home with OWA, my office machine is still taking care of filtering out the junk mail. If I manually move (with OWA) a message from my Inbox to my spam folder, then my office machine will notice this and train it appropriately. It's not what I imagine you were after, but it's the best we can offer at the moment. Interfacing with OWA would be a very difficult task. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From lkitchin at dow.com Wed Jul 14 13:41:40 2004 From: lkitchin at dow.com (Kitchin, Lou Ann (LA)) Date: Wed Jul 14 13:42:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question - Junk Suspects Message-ID: <8A83C8F5E54C9548806C878FC7E0AE7069197C@CASRNMDOWM011.dow.com> > When in Junk Suspects folder and click Recover from Spam - It does not move message to Inbox. Why? > > When in Junk suspects folder and click Delete as Span - It does not move message to Junk E-mail. why? > See log files below <> <> > LouAnn Kitchin > ------------------------------ > Dow Automotive > Field Sales System Support > Phone 248-391-6585 > Cellular 248-761-9533 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here are my statistics, in case they might be of value: >From the Home page: Total emails trained: Spam: 13126 Ham: 2479 More statistics: SpamBayes has processed 9009 messages - 1566 (17%) good, 7131 (79%) spam and 312 (3%) unsure. 648 messages were manually classified as good (0 were false positives). 2835 messages were manually classified as spam (1 was a false negative). 9 unsure messages were manually identified as good, and 147 as spam. (I presume the difference in numbers e.g. (13126 vs. 7131) is due to the fact that I have gone through several different different versions) Warning: you have much more spam than ham - SpamBayes works best with approximately even numbers of ham and spam. ... which leads me to the one bit of feedback I might tive you. Given what the world is coming to, 50/50 spam vs. ham appears to me a pipe-dream. If different tuning of SpamBayes for more unfavorable ratios is possible, perhaps this would be a good idea. But having said that, even with my 5:1 ratio, I am very happy. What bliss SpamBayes' "best" must be. Best regards Gisli From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jul 14 17:46:09 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jul 14 17:46:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02E7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony Meyer wrote: > [Kenny] >> Yeah, we really should talk to Sean about using a different name for >> his "Application Data" directory. <0.5 wink> > > I'm not sure what the 0.5 wink is winking at...surely InBoxer doesn't > store files in {App Data}\SpamBayes? As of InBoxer 1.1, it did. -- Kenny Pitt From BBaker at Telenational.com Wed Jul 14 20:10:54 2004 From: BBaker at Telenational.com (Blake Baker) Date: Wed Jul 14 20:06:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes does not work on Windows NT Message-ID: Tony, When I go to install the outlook addin on my windows NT machine running outlook 2000 I get an error: The procedure entry point FlashWindowEx could not be located in the dynamic library USER32.dll. Then it asks me to rerurn the outlook_addin_register.exe file. I do that and still the same error. I have searched all your forums and documentation but cannot get this resolved. Could you please give me some kind of answer so I know if this will work in my windows NT environment. Thanks, Blake Baker IT Administrator Telenational Marketing bbaker@telenational.com From BBaker at Telenational.com Wed Jul 14 21:20:08 2004 From: BBaker at Telenational.com (Blake Baker) Date: Wed Jul 14 21:15:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Intalling SpamBayes on Windows NT Message-ID: I recently tried to install Spam Bayes on Windows NT and I recieved the following error message: The procedure entry point FlashWindowEx could not be located in the dynamic library USER32.dll. Then SpamBayes asks me to rerun outlook_addin_register.exe. I do so and I get the same error listed above. Here is the contents of my log. Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 40, in ? File "win32gui.pyc", line 9, in ? File "win32gui.pyc", line 7, in __load ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified procedure could not be found. Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 40, in ? File "win32gui.pyc", line 9, in ? File "win32gui.pyc", line 7, in __load ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified procedure could not be found. Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 40, in ? File "win32gui.pyc", line 9, in ? File "win32gui.pyc", line 7, in __load ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified procedure could not be found. Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 40, in ? File "win32gui.pyc", line 9, in ? File "win32gui.pyc", line 7, in __load ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified procedure could not be found. Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.py", line 40, in ? File "win32gui.pyc", line 9, in ? File "win32gui.pyc", line 7, in __load ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified procedure could not be found. I would really like to use Spam Bayes on my Windows NT environment and if we got it working would seriously consider sending and nice donation. Any response to this message is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Blake Baker IT administrator Telenational Marketing bbaker@telenational.com From kennypitt at hotmail.com Wed Jul 14 23:37:23 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Wed Jul 14 23:37:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes does not work on Windows NT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Blake Baker wrote: > When I go to install the outlook addin on my windows NT machine > running outlook 2000 I get an error: > > The procedure entry point FlashWindowEx could not be located in the > dynamic library USER32.dll. This error happens on Windows NT because the FlashWindowEx function requires Windows 2000 or higher. What I can't seem to find yet is any reason why FlashWindowEx should be getting called. If you haven't already, could you please open a bug tracker for this on SourceForge? There is definitely a bug here somewhere, and I don't want to lose track of this issue in case I run short on time for investigating it. -- Kenny Pitt From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 15 00:50:39 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 15 00:50:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A35D1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467813D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Tony] > surely InBoxer doesn't store files in {App Data}\SpamBayes? [Kenny] > As of InBoxer 1.1, it did. ! To me that's either a bug, or a deliberate effort to let people share their databases, in which case they ought to make sure that they remain compatible. If avoiding clashes can be done simply, then I'm all for that, but I don't think it makes sense to spend much time on this - sooner or later there will be a database change that breaks it anyway. As long as there's a clear notice in the release notes, that should be enough, IMO. =Tony Meyer From plusaf at plusaf.com Thu Jul 15 01:22:55 2004 From: plusaf at plusaf.com (plusaf@plusaf.com) Date: Thu Jul 15 01:23:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes' site webpage formatting.... Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[ 983539 ] Install error on Outlook 2002 You made the mistake of mentioning investigating it, so I'm assigning it to you :) =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 15 02:53:12 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 15 02:53:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes' site webpage formatting.... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A371D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678143@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > couldn't find a link on the site that looked > like "webmaster".... sorry if this spams a bunch > of the wrong people.... This is appropriate enough a place. > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html [...], > for example, along with several other pages like it, > don't seem to be set for "width=100%" in the tabular > layout of the pages. this obviously causes some > pages, but not all, to require horizontal scrolling > [at least in my IE6/MSWinXPhome environment]. I believe (testing seems to bear this out) that it's the image (the SpamBayes logo at the top left) that causes this problem. FWIW, it doesn't cause a problem in other browsers (e.g. Firefox). All the other elements of the pages are correctly width'd. If you really want this changed, then please open a bug tracker with this information at http://sf.net/projects/spambayes and assign it to me (Anadelonbrin) and I'll get to it when I can. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From haslatter at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 15 09:54:54 2004 From: haslatter at ntlworld.com (haslatter@ntlworld.com) Date: Thu Jul 15 09:56:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: Computer hangs while trying to review messages Message-ID: <20040715075454.QNVO3893.mta10-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.100]> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 219 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040715/2ab0a341/SpamBayesServer1.obj -------------- next part -------------- I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc1 (May 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 1). I have trained 736 ham and 3930 spam. The problem I am having is that frequently, when I click "review messages", the computer hangs while trying to connect. That's not a problem in itself - fair enough that the website should be busy. But I cannot ever escape from this without powering down the machine - no other interupt I can find will stop the attempt to connect. (I'm using SpamBayes with Eudora 6.1.) Howard Slatter From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Thu Jul 15 13:30:11 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Thu Jul 15 13:30:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500213FC9E@SPIKE.city> Incompatibility isn't the issue; unexpected compatibility is. An erstwhile user of Inboxer might suddenly find his Inboxer files affecting his Spambayes configuration where they didn't before. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenny Pitt [mailto:kennypitt@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:21 PM > To: Coe, Bob > Cc: spambayes@Python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles > > > Coe, Bob wrote: > > You should, however, use a naming convention different from the one > > Inboxer uses. Some users (me, for example) may have obsolete Inboxer > > configuration files lurking around for historical reasons. > > Yeah, we really should talk to Sean about using a different name for his > "Application Data" directory. <0.5 wink> > > But seriously, we do use a different convention for the options > configuration file, and AFAIK the bayes_database and message_database files > should be compatible. The other InBoxer files are for extended features > such as whitelisting and would be totally ignored by SpamBayes. > > -- > Kenny Pitt From troy.furbay at kimptongroup.com Thu Jul 15 16:58:27 2004 From: troy.furbay at kimptongroup.com (Troy Furbay) Date: Thu Jul 15 16:58:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem Message-ID: <000001c46a7c$2fd36a90$c2741fac@kmp100> The Spambayes Wizard never started up. Spambayes does not appear anywhere in Outlook. Troy Furbay Vice President, Acquisitions and Development Kimpton Group 700 F Street, Suite 134 Washington, D.C. 20004 (202) 449-7091 office (928) 569-5084 fax troy.furbay@kimptongroup.com www.kimptongroup.com/ WOW!! - 2 New Hotels. BOSTON - NOW OPEN!! - Visit the Onyx Hotel www.onyxhotel.com NEW YORK CITY - The Big Apple.August 1, 2004.You must see the 70 Park Avenue Hotel www.70parkave.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040715/3643c775/attachment.html From services at andreasK.de Thu Jul 15 17:23:37 2004 From: services at andreasK.de (Andreas K) Date: Thu Jul 15 17:24:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] unregister outlook_addin.dll Message-ID: Hi! Up to now I am very happy about spamBayes, but the upgrade to the newest version unfortunately did something to a workaround I need for my system. Usually, in version 0.9, I switched off spambayes with %windir%\system32\regsvr32.exe /u outlook_addin.dll THEN opened Outlook, POP3-collected all mails, quit Outlook, reregistered spambayes with %windir%\system32\regsvr32.exe outlook_addin.dll and started Outlook again. Then all Spam was sorted properly. The reason: Some ( < 1% ) messages crash Outlook 2000 as long as spamBayes is loaded, I can send you some such messages, if you are interested ;-) After asking around for quite a while (here and with Microsoft), the only workaround I got was the one explained above. So now please tell me, what I do have to do to unregister the new (1.0rc2) outlook_addin.dll. At the moment, doing it the old way, the regsvr32.exe crashes! "abnormal program termination" Please be quick, Outlook is my most important program. And I really do not want to use a different spam-filter, SPAMbayes _is_ great, even with the hassle described above! Thanks a lot! Andreas From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Jul 15 21:13:15 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jul 15 21:13:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] unregister outlook_addin.dll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andreas K wrote: > So now please tell me, what I do have to do to unregister > the new (1.0rc2) outlook_addin.dll. > At the moment, doing it the old way, the regsvr32.exe crashes! > "abnormal program termination" In the same directory with "outlook_addin.dll", you should find a program "outlook_addin_register.exe". Try running "outlook_addin_register" to register, and "outlook_addin_register --unregister" to unregister. If that also fails, please let us know. -- Kenny Pitt From samnicholls at appintec.com Thu Jul 15 21:18:50 2004 From: samnicholls at appintec.com (samnicholls@appintec.com) Date: Thu Jul 15 21:19:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: Computer hangs while trying toreview messages References: <20040715075454.QNVO3893.mta10-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.100]> Message-ID: <008d01c46aa0$942aa1b0$c900a8c0@dell750> Howard, I reported the same issue about a week ago, it was answered for me by Rich Barger. It was a conflict between SpamBayes and version 5.x of ZoneAlarm, specifically its TrueVector service. The Cisco VPN client may also be involved. I've also attached the email sent to me by Rich which describes how to do a "clean" uninstall of ZoneAlarm. Even though you don't mention ZoneAlarm, the symptoms you report fit exactly. I hope this helps. Sam Nicholls Alameda CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard B Barger ABC APR To: samnicholls@appintec.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 2000 problem when using Review Messages You're welcome, Sam. I hope it really >is< a solution; it was for me. BTW, the ZoneAlarm site had a more recent version of 4.x than the one I had been using previously, so, if yours isn't 4.5.594.000, download it directly from ZA. That's the number they told me to install. Make sure you do what they term a "clean" uninstall. In fact, I'll send you a copy of the message ZA sent me. My suggestion regarding the SpamBayes list: If this fix solves your problem, let the list know. I know I searched for ZoneAlarm mentions and found few, but if this is happening to you and to me, it likely is happening to others, and the interim solution would be helpful. Best wishes; msg to come in a moment. Rich Barger Kansas City --- samnicholls@appintec.com wrote: Rich, Thanks for the solution to my problem. Even though I quoted a ZoneAlarm message in my question, it didn't occur to me it was the cause of the problem. I'll "upgrade" to their 4.x version today. My version of ZA is 5.0.590.043. Yes, SpamBayes really works well in separating the wheat from the chaff, better than I would have thought possible. I'm very impressed. I'm new to this mailing list as of today, so I'm not sure of the protocol, I have replied only to you, hope that's ok. The automatic response to my original email also led me to bug lists etc on the SpamBayes site, so in time I'll learn the correct way to pursue issues like this. Thanks again! Sam NichollsAlameda CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard B Barger ABC APR To: SpambayesCc: samnicholls@appintec.com ; Tim PetersSent: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:32 PMSubject: Re: [Spambayes] Windows 2000 problem when using Review Messages Sam, I had the same problem and worse with POP3 and Netscape mail on an XP Pro machine. After an excellent, helpful msg from Tim Peters ("Re: [Spambayes] I'm running into a resource conflict; SpamBayes freezes my system" on 30 Jun 04), I went the ZoneAlarm tech support route. They had me do a clean uninstall and revert to version 4.5.594.000 of ZoneAlarm, which works seamlessly with SpamBayes. They said they were aware of the issue with their 5.x release and were working on it, but that it might be the >next< release before they had it solved. So, for now, I simply ignore the automatic ZoneAlarm pleadings to upgrade to the latest version. Tim, I had meant to send the list a follow-up after ZoneAlarm gave me the workaround, but I failed to do so until now. Thank you again for the terrific help -- and for the terrific product. Cheers! Rich Barger Kansas City --- samnicholls@appintec.com wrote: I've been using SpamBayes version 1.0rc2 (or is it 0.6?) configured in proxy mode for a couple of weeks. My email client is Outlook Express. I receive a lot of email in numerous accounts, and after training it initially with about 2000 good messages and 2000 spam messages it is doing a really great job of identifying spam. However the following sometimes happens when I attempt to do further training. Often, but not always, W2K stops responding normally after clicking on Review Messages. The browser launches to a white screen, but never gets to the point of displaying the normal training page. I cannot launch new applications. Some applications already active will respond, but will not Close. Ctrl-Alt-Del initially brings up its normal window, after clicking on Task Manager the normal desktop reappears, but the task manager window never appears. Subsequent ctrl-alt-del requests are ignored. The only clue comes after trying to shut down Zone Alarm. After a timeout period, it displays this message: "ZoneAlarm is waiting for the TrueVector Internet Monitor to unload". Clicking on Cancel in this dialog box is ignored, the window remains. Eventually nothing responds except mouseover messages on the task bar, and a hard reset of the PC is necessary. In 4 years of using W2K I have never known anything which will lock up W2K to this degree. Help please!! Sam Nicholls ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SpamBayes Mailing List" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:54 AM Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: Computer hangs while trying toreview messages I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc1 (May 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 1). I have trained 736 ham and 3930 spam. The problem I am having is that frequently, when I click "review messages", the computer hangs while trying to connect. That's not a problem in itself - fair enough that the website should be busy. But I cannot ever escape from this without powering down the machine - no other interupt I can find will stop the attempt to connect. (I'm using SpamBayes with Eudora 6.1.) 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040715/655736bd/attachment.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Jul 15 21:51:06 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jul 15 21:51:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes' site webpage formatting.... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678143@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony Meyer wrote: > I believe (testing seems to bear this out) that it's the image (the > SpamBayes logo at the top left) that causes this problem. FWIW, it > doesn't cause a problem in other browsers (e.g. Firefox). All the > other elements of the pages are correctly width'd. I think the problem is related to how IE calculates widths when you mix percentages with absolute pixel widths in the same table. > If you really want this changed, then please open a bug tracker with > this information at http://sf.net/projects/spambayes and assign it to > me (Anadelonbrin) and I'll get to it when I can. I tweaked a couple of margin settings in "style.css" and the FAQ seems to render correctly in both IE 6.0 and Firefox 0.9. If someone can push the update to the website, we'll see how the change works for others. -- Kenny Pitt From RickFriedman at vfemail.net Thu Jul 15 22:05:44 2004 From: RickFriedman at vfemail.net (Rick Friedman) Date: Thu Jul 15 22:05:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem trying to setup the IMAP filter Message-ID: <1822509488.20040715160544@vfemail.net> Hello all! I am trying to set up SpamBayes for use with a couple of IMAP accounts. I have followed the instructions on the SpamBayes Sourceforge site which says: If you retrieve mail via IMAP, you currently need to install a recent version of Python and the SpamBayes source, then setup the IMAP filter) for your mail server. Well, I installed Python 2.3. I downloaded the SpamBayes 1.0 source code. BTW, I am running Windows XP Home SP1a. Now, the readme says: To configure SpamBayes, run "sb_imapfilter.py -b", which should open a web page to , click on the "Configuration" link at the top right, and fill in the relevant details. Everything should be OK with the defaults, except for the server information at the top. Well, I go to the /spambayes-1.0rc2/scripts/ folder. From the command line I run the above mentioned command. However, I then get the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "sb_imapfilter.py", line 119, in ? from spambayes.Options import options, get_pathname_option ImportError: No module named spambayes.Options Anyone have any ideas what the problem may be? Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks! Rick From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Jul 15 22:33:32 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jul 15 22:33:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes with multiple profiles In-Reply-To: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500213FC9E@SPIKE.city> Message-ID: Coe, Bob wrote: > Incompatibility isn't the issue; unexpected compatibility is. An > erstwhile user of Inboxer might suddenly find his Inboxer files > affecting his Spambayes configuration where they didn't before. Since SpamBayes and InBoxer use the exact same GUID for the Outlook Addin COM object, it would be impossible to have both running on the same machine at the same time. The user would have to know that they needed to re-register the add-in object each time they wanted to switch filters. A user that understands that much about how SpamBayes and InBoxer work should be able to understand cross-contamination of the training data as well. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Jul 15 22:56:34 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jul 15 22:56:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem trying to setup the IMAP filter In-Reply-To: <1822509488.20040715160544@vfemail.net> Message-ID: Rick Friedman wrote: > Well, I go to the /spambayes-1.0rc2/scripts/ folder. From the command > line I run the above mentioned command. However, I then get the > following error: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "sb_imapfilter.py", line 119, in ? > from spambayes.Options import options, get_pathname_option > ImportError: No module named spambayes.Options You have 2 choices: 1. Set the environment variable PYTHONPATH to your top-level SpamBayes source directory ("/spambayes-1.0rc2") before running the sb_imapfilter script. 2. Run "setup.py install" from the top-level source directory to install the SpamBayes libraries into your main Python directory before running the script (this only needs to be done once unless you tweak any of the source code, in which case you'll need to install again to apply your updates). -- Kenny Pitt From bwavin at stofanet.dk Thu Jul 15 23:48:18 2004 From: bwavin at stofanet.dk (B Wavin) Date: Thu Jul 15 23:48:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes' site webpage formatting.... References: Message-ID: <000b01c46ab5$70a98840$08596b3e@barrys> The table is still too wide on my IE6 on XP, it has nothing to do with the style.ccs, removing the link to that makes no difference. However I tracked it down to the "preformatted" attribute being used for text in paragraphs 2.14, 4.11 and 4.12. In IE that apparently means all spaces are hard ones in those paragraphs so there is no text wrap forcing the table to be as big as it needs in order to include the unwrapped lines. Remove this attribute and the table works better. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Pitt" To: "'Tony Meyer'" ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] spambayes' site webpage formatting.... > Tony Meyer wrote: > > I believe (testing seems to bear this out) that it's the image (the > > SpamBayes logo at the top left) that causes this problem. FWIW, it > > doesn't cause a problem in other browsers (e.g. Firefox). All the > > other elements of the pages are correctly width'd. > > I think the problem is related to how IE calculates widths when you mix > percentages with absolute pixel widths in the same table. > > > If you really want this changed, then please open a bug tracker with > > this information at http://sf.net/projects/spambayes and assign it to > > me (Anadelonbrin) and I'll get to it when I can. > > I tweaked a couple of margin settings in "style.css" and the FAQ seems to > render correctly in both IE 6.0 and Firefox 0.9. If someone can push the > update to the website, we'll see how the change works for others. > > -- > Kenny Pitt > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > From rcorriveau at cinemedia.ca Fri Jul 16 05:53:11 2004 From: rcorriveau at cinemedia.ca (rcorriveau@cinemedia.ca) Date: Fri Jul 16 05:53:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: [No longer filtering] Message-ID: <0I0X00BN9ESNRH@VL-MO-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SpamBayesServer1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 674 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040715/3c04c1a3/SpamBayesServer1.obj -------------- next part -------------- I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc2 (June 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 1). I have trained 336 ham and 307 spam. The problem I am having is no longer filtering mail... this is in my email; X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): . File "sb_server.pyc", line 475, in onRetr . File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 190, in chi2_spamprob . File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 493, in _getclues . File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 508, in _worddistanceget . File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 311, in probability .AssertionError From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 16 06:00:41 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jul 16 06:00:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A393D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678162@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The Spambayes Wizard never started up. Spambayes > does not appear anywhere in Outlook. The troubleshooting guide (a copy is installed, or you can read it via the Documentation page on our website - ) explains where to find the log files. Are there any there? If so, could you please send us a copy of the most recent one? Did the installation appear to succeed? What version of Windows/Outlook/SpamBayes are you using? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From postmaster at qwentes.be Fri Jul 16 12:50:44 2004 From: postmaster at qwentes.be (postmaster@qwentes.be) Date: Fri Jul 16 12:50:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] WARNING! Blocked mail [read it immediately] Message-ID: Your EMail with subject 'read it immediately', sent to the recipient(s) qwentes@qwentes.be contains a file attachment of type '[pif]'. Our organization does not accept files of this type by email. The message has NOT been delivered to the recipients. If you have further questions, please contact the postmaster (mailto:postmaster@qwentes.be). -- Message generated by exiscan (Qwentes.be) From jware at ou.edu Fri Jul 16 15:01:26 2004 From: jware at ou.edu (Ware, Jean D.) Date: Fri Jul 16 15:01:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk email folder disappeared Message-ID: My Junk Email folder has disappeared. I still have Junk Suspects, but not June Email. Help? Jean Ware Admissions, Records & Registration University of Oklahoma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040716/ec72b284/attachment.html From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Jul 16 16:29:18 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:29:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes' site webpage formatting.... In-Reply-To: <000b01c46ab5$70a98840$08596b3e@barrys> Message-ID: B Wavin wrote: > The table is still too wide on my IE6 on XP, it has nothing to do > with the style.ccs, removing the link to that makes no difference. > However I tracked it down to the "preformatted" attribute being used > for text in paragraphs 2.14, 4.11 and 4.12. In IE that apparently > means all spaces are hard ones in those paragraphs so there is no > text wrap forcing the table to be as big as it needs in order to > include the unwrapped lines. Remove this attribute and the table > works better. The changes to style.css haven't been pushed to the public website yet, so any change from this fix would not be visible yet. The change does indeed fix the problem with IE6 on my system. As with any web page, however, what you see will depend a lot on the size your browser window. I run at a high enough resolution that the preformatted text all fit within my window, but I had a horizontal scrollbar even though there was nothing but empty space off the right side of the window. It is this *unnecessary* horizontal scrolling that I consider a bug. If, on the other hand, your window is narrow enough that all of the preformatted text is not visible in your window then you will still get the horizontal scrollbar because you do actually *need* to scroll. The text is preformatted because these are single command lines that would be confusing if we allowed them to wrap to multiple lines on the screen, so this is the normal behavior for any browser. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Fri Jul 16 16:44:19 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Fri Jul 16 16:44:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk email folder disappeared In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > My Junk Email folder has disappeared. I still have Junk Suspects, but not > June Email. Help? You probably deleted it accidentally, which Outlook unfortunately makes it all too easy to do. See FAQ 3.13 for info on how to fix it. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-fol der or http://tinyurl.com/5mslk -- Kenny Pitt From theatre at rosebudtheatre.com Fri Jul 16 20:06:34 2004 From: theatre at rosebudtheatre.com (Mark Lewandowski) Date: Fri Jul 16 20:06:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes in Public Folders Message-ID: <69F6FCE12A211441A6747D7E6E3BAA77032E18@ns1-rosebud.rosebudschoolofthearts.com> Is there a way to set up SpamBayes to work on a public folder? We are using Outlook 2002. We have folders under our Public Folders section that accept e-mail (a general info account). I use SpamBayes on my personal mailbox and it works great. I'd like to apply it to the public folder to reduce the amount of spam we have (100+ a day). I know that I can select a public folder for both incoming and sorted mail (Junk, Suspected Junk), but it seems like I can have those folders only in my personal area OR in the public folder. Ideally I'd like to be able to have a separate Junk Mail/Junk Suspected section within the public folder that can be shared between multi-users (e.g., several receptionist). This doesn't seem possible under the areas I can find, but maybe there's a way. I'm not a programmer, but if someone tells me what to do, I'm not scared of playing with code. Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040716/f4bd2e41/attachment.html From Rich at RBarger.com Sat Jul 17 03:52:34 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Sat Jul 17 03:52:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Disparity Issues Message-ID: <40F88661.157F7A92@RBarger.com> Hi. I have some training disparity questions. I'm using POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc2. I get huge amounts of email -- 1400 or 1500 messages a day -- sent to several recipient names, all of which are picked up by the same POP3 account. - I make extensive use of Netscape Mail's filters. SpamBayes is set to add "spam" and "unsure" headers, but not "ham." The filters first skim off messages I routinely receive, then sort mail into "Spam," "Unsure," "CornerBarPR," and a bunch of other folders, with any unfiltered mail eventually dropping through my filter sieve into my Inbox. - The content of this mail stream is more than 80 percent spam or, at least, unwanted mail. - Because of the volume, I get many, many different types of spam; my ham mail seems to be much more uniform and more easily categorized. - I have continued to reduce my ham and spam score cutoffs (currently Ham = 0.01, Spam = 0.39), but I still get far too many unsures; almost all of them are spam: - Out of 31,119 classified messages, after initial training I've only had about a half dozen that showed up in the Spam folder but that I would have personally classified as ham, and none of those messages was important. - I get about 2-3 percent spam in my ham folders, more in the CornerBarPR ham (Inbox) folder and less in the RBarger.com ham folder. - I haven't tracked the unsures carefully, but I believe they're about 95 percent spam. - I train on the unsures that are within a reasonable distance of my spam score cutoff of 0.39 (I'd train on a message with a spam probability of 0.25, for instance, but probably not on one that was 0.08), but wonder if reducing the spam cutoff any further is playing with fire, increasing my risk of beginning to filter legitimate mail into the spam folder? You can tell that this is one issue I don't understand too well. - Because of the ham-spam disparity, whenever I train on unsures, I have to force-feed ham to try to keep the training proportion reasonable. I rarely have any new types of ham to train for "balance," so I end up training on ham messages that are very similar to ones trained previously. Right now, I've trained 1299 spam and 764 ham. That leads to my questions (thank you for being patient): 1 - First, I don't think the message header information contributes to the spam score. I don't see it showing up in the message clues. But, just to be sure, here's my question: Would >identical< mail sent to rich@rbarger.com, rich@cornerbarpr.com, info@cornerbarpr.com, support@cornerbarpr.com, rich@swbell.net, rich@sprintmail.com, etc., be scored the same? Or would the different addressees and other minor differences in the headers cause scoring differences? (I have the impression that, out of the same mail stream, mail filtered to rich@rbarger.com tends to be scored properly, whereas I get more spam in my rich@cornerbarpr.com folder.) 2 - Similarly, If I train a message manually (which, with POP3, is a cut-and-paste operation), will the message score differently if all headers are showing than if headers are displayed normally? 3 - I don't know your algorithm, but I'd guess that, as I get a larger training corpus, each trained message contributes a smaller amount to scoring than would be the case with fewer trained messages. True? If so, does that mean that to "move the needle" for unsure or misclassified ham or spam, I should train on the same message numerous times? 4 - I've made surprisingly few training mistakes (I think), but I don't remember reading how to correct a message incorrectly trained, when using the POP3 Proxy. How do I do this? 5 - I know that everyone's mail stream and personal ham-spam threshold is different, but are the ham-spam score cutoffs I'm using (0.01 and 0.39) reasonable, or have I missed something obvious -- an instruction or message in which one of you gurus has posted cutoff settings or suggestions, perhaps? 6 - Can you suggest anything else I should be considering in setting my ham-spam score cutoffs, to deal with my still-too-big pile of unsures, while still leaving me with only a tiny chance of a Type II error? 7 - I've thought about wiping out my database and starting over, in hopes that I could reduce the pile of unsures requiring continued manual training. I certainly get enough mail that it wouldn't be a problem to come up with enough new examples, and I now know a lot more about the different "types" of spam I'm receiving and would be somewhat smarter on training. Because of the volume of unsures, training already is a time-consuming process, so re-training wouldn't be that big an issue. But that still doesn't solve the ham-spam disparity. My goal is to reduce the number of unsures: What would you suggest? This ham-spam disparity has been an occasional topic in this group lately. If roughly equal piles of ham and spam are important for most effective classification, it appears to me that it might be useful for the program simply to include a weighting factor. Even though you may philosophically object, I'd think a "weight" is not any different than me training on so many ham messages that are very much like hams I've already trained on. Comments? Whining aside, I love SpamBayes. It certainly is moving huge piles of spam into the proper place -- mail that I otherwise would have classified manually. I have another couple of issues and questions, but let me stop with this long message and post them later. Thanks for your help. Cheers! Rich Barger Kansas City From Rich at RBarger.com Sat Jul 17 04:33:44 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Sat Jul 17 04:33:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to Circumvent Bayesian Filter' Message-ID: <40F89008.19E5822B@RBarger.com> Well, I might as well ask about one more issue, while I'm thinking about it. I more or less understand how SpamBayes can work with text, but I don't understand how it works with messages that are primarily html, and I don't understand why it isn't easily fooled by text narratives in spam emails. In May, this group had a discussion of the topic, "Spammers Attempts to Circumvent Baynesian Filter." Len Hartley said, "Since February of 2004, more and more spammers are including what you might call short stories or lists of innocent sounding words at the bottom of their Email. Because of this method, I have recently found that more than half of Spam is rated not higher than suspect." Experienced users pooh-poohed his experience as unrepresentative and said his database probably contained mistakes and that he probably needed to re-train. Well, I receive 1400 or 1500 email messages a day, and I'm having a similar problem. It's not causing half my Spam to misclassify, but it is the cause of the vast majority of my "unsures," which primarily are from spam messages of two types: - messages that have a lot of logical, readable -- often well-written -- text or jokes that are much longer than the commercial portion, and - messages that have a small amount of random or narrative text and that are primarily html. - A subset of this is html ads that either contain many random words or gibberish, instead of a coherent sentence or paragraph. I know this has been discussed, but I get the sense that the answer usually is something like, "Train on them, and SpamBayes will get the idea." I don't think it's that simple. I've trained on dozens of the second type, in particular, yet many almost identical spams continue to show spam probabilities of 6-20 percent. I get the sense that "legitimate-appearing" text isn't easily caught by SpamBayes, and that primarily html messages don't have enough consistent clues to raise their spam probability. I've appended an example at the end of this message. Perhaps someone could explain to me (in layman's terms!) how SpamBayes classifies in these two instances. I've looked at the message classification screen on several of these messages, but I still don't understand. I am concerned that training on spam messages with a small commercial and a relatively large amount of well-written text will "mess up" the training on other types of messages; yet, I get too many of these to ignore. In my own large mail stream, like Len Hartley, I get the impression that SpamBayes simply is less effective with these newer types of solicitations. Thoughts? Thanks. Rich Barger Kansas City Text like this, methinks, causes SpamBayes to misclassify spam messages as ham: do a lot of management training each year for the Circle K Corporation, a national chain of convenience stores Among the topics we address in our seminars is the retention of quality employees -- a real challenge to managers when you consider the pay scale in the service industry. During these discussions, I ask the participants, "What has caused you to stay long enough to become a manager?" Some time back a new manager took the question and slowly, with her voice almost breaking, said, "It was a $19 baseball glove." And who let me down? Me ?C I am the one that rationalized why they never called me, or sent me flowers, or sent me love notes, or just plain put in as much effort as I did. I settled and that hurt me in the end. sonoridad1sulfhi`drico03especial,incitamiento lebrasta. From Rich at RBarger.com Sat Jul 17 05:21:08 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Sat Jul 17 05:21:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues Message-ID: <40F89B24.17CA7536@RBarger.com> Okay, reference my just-sent message about SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc2: Wow! I just answered one of my own questions: My posted question: I don't think the message header information contributes to the spam score. I don't see it showing up in the message clues. But, just to be sure, here's my question: Would >identical< mail sent to rich@rbarger.com, rich@cornerbarpr.com, info@cornerbarpr.com, support@cornerbarpr.com, rich@swbell.net, rich@sprintmail.com, etc., be scored the same? Or would the different addressees and other minor differences in the headers cause scoring differences? I just sent an identical semi-spammy message to three different accounts. Each one scored differently -- dramatically so: To Rich@RBarger.com: X-Spambayes-Spam-Probability: 0.08321 To Rich@CornerBarPR.com: X-Spambayes-Spam-Probability: 0.26562 To Info@CornerBarPR.com: X-Spambayes-Spam-Probability: 0.37489 Am I ever surprised! Why is this? At any rate, it tends to confirm my observation that, in the same message stream, the CornerBarPR.com folder seems to have a greater proportion of unsures than the RBarger.com folder. And I partially answered another Q: It appears that using the SpamBayes Web Interface to classify a message gives dramatically different scores if all headers are included, versus if abridged or normal headers are all that's visible. Why is this? That's certainly not the behavior I expected. If I'm correct, the implication is training would be vastly different, depending on whether the user displays full headers or not. True? So, which do you recommend users train on: Full headers or normal? Sheesh. The more I find out, the more confused I become. Thanks. Rich Barger Kansas City From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com Sat Jul 17 08:30:13 2004 From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker) Date: Sat Jul 17 08:30:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues In-Reply-To: <40F89B24.17CA7536@RBarger.com> References: <40F89B24.17CA7536@RBarger.com> Message-ID: On Jul 16, 2004, at 11:21 PM, Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > My posted question: I don't think the message header information > contributes to the spam score. There are many options that control what kind of tokens are generated from headers. By default, only the "safe-headers" are tokenized. The following is from Options.py, it show which headers are considered by default... ("safe_headers", "Safe headers", ("abuse-reports-to", "date", "errors-to", "from", "importance", "in-reply-to", "message-id", "mime-version", "organization", "received", "reply-to", "return-path", "subject", "to", "user-agent", "x-abuse-info", "x-complaints-to", "x-face"), """Like count_all_header_lines, but restricted to headers in this list. safe_headers is ignored when count_all_header_lines is true, unless record_header_absence is also true.""", HEADER_NAME, RESTORE), > Am I ever surprised! > > Why is this? > Notice that "to" and a few other headers are considered "safe" headers. If an email account gets a lot of trained spam addressed *to that address* then it becomes a spamy token. Same as any word. > It appears that using the SpamBayes Web Interface to classify a message > gives dramatically different scores if all headers are included, versus > if abridged or normal headers are all that's visible. > > Why is this? That's certainly not the behavior I expected. > The options mentioned above influence this behavior. > If I'm correct, the implication is training would be vastly different, > depending on whether the user displays full headers or not. > True? > > So, which do you recommend users train on: Full headers or normal? > You should train/classify using the raw message source, not just a view of the headers and a view of message. If you did not train using raw messages, then I highly recommend starting over. It may solve some of your other problems. From savieg at stadt.duesseldorf.de Sat Jul 17 09:25:40 2004 From: savieg at stadt.duesseldorf.de (savieg@stadt.duesseldorf.de) Date: Sat Jul 17 09:33:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] =?iso-8859-1?q?E-Mail_Inhalt_nicht_zul=E4ssig?= Message-ID: <20040717073302.CC7B17FAC3@mail02.duesseldorf.de> Ein Dateinanhang an dieser E-Mail wurde entfernt, weil er nicht den Sicherheitsrichtlinien entsprach. From: spambayes@python.org To: economic@intramail.stv-ddorf.de File(s): message.scr Matching filename: *.scr From Rich at RBarger.com Sat Jul 17 16:45:38 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Sat Jul 17 16:45:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues References: <40F89B24.17CA7536@RBarger.com> Message-ID: <40F93B92.E0295CF1@RBarger.com> Thank you very much, Adam. I'm not familiar with Python coding or what goes on behind the scenes in SpamBayes, so your explanation is particularly helpful. Of course, training on raw message source involves yet more steps for each message I want to train, but your clear explanation shows that it likely would be valuable -- perhaps extremely so. Actually, now that I understand better, I see a likely reason for the disparity in scoring when the same message was sent to different accounts: I usually manually process the RBarger.com account first. If I've manually trained on a ham message sent there, I am much less likely to train on the same (or a very similar) ham message that appears in the CornerBarPR.com account -- and I get quite a few of those. Further, when I force-train ham to keep up the ham-spam balance, I most frequently use ham from the RBarger.com folder, not from the CornerBarPR.com folder. So, I've obviously been weighting the ham messages toward RBarger.com and against CornerBarPR.com. In addition, I get somewhat more -- and different types of -- spam on the CornerBarPR.com account; so, a given message in CornerBarPR.com is more likely to be trained as spam than a given message in RBarger.com. Based on what you explained, it appears that I am unintentionally telling SpamBayes that, before the message body is even considered, if a message comes to RBarger.com, it is somewhat more likely to be ham, and, if a message comes to CornerBarPR.com, it is slightly more likely to be spam. What a fascinating revelation. Thank you, good sir. BTW, please don't let Mr. Walker's helpful msg discourage other gurus from answering the other questions -- spam cutoff scores, misclassification, spammer ploys, and other issues -- I posed last evening. Thanks again. Rich Barger Kansas City --- Adam Walker wrote: > On Jul 16, 2004, at 11:21 PM, Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > > My posted question: I don't think the message header information > > contributes to the spam score. > > There are many options that control what kind of tokens are generated > from headers. > By default, only the "safe-headers" are tokenized. > The following is from Options.py, it show which headers are considered > by default... > > ("safe_headers", "Safe headers", ("abuse-reports-to", "date", > "errors-to", > "from", "importance", > "in-reply-to", > "message-id", "mime-version", > "organization", "received", > "reply-to", "return-path", > "subject", > "to", "user-agent", > "x-abuse-info", > "x-complaints-to", "x-face"), > """Like count_all_header_lines, but restricted to headers in this > list. > safe_headers is ignored when count_all_header_lines is true, unless > record_header_absence is also true.""", > HEADER_NAME, RESTORE), > > accounts> > > > Am I ever surprised! > > > > Why is this? > > > > Notice that "to" and a few other headers are considered "safe" headers. > If an email account gets a lot of trained spam addressed *to that > address* then it becomes a spamy token. Same as any word. > > > It appears that using the SpamBayes Web Interface to classify a message > > gives dramatically different scores if all headers are included, versus > > if abridged or normal headers are all that's visible. > > > > Why is this? That's certainly not the behavior I expected. > > > > The options mentioned above influence this behavior. > > > If I'm correct, the implication is training would be vastly different, > > depending on whether the user displays full headers or not. > > > True? > > > > So, which do you recommend users train on: Full headers or normal? > > > > You should train/classify using the raw message source, not just a view > of the headers and a view of message. If you did not train using raw > messages, then I highly recommend starting over. It may solve some of > your other problems. From steven at twitch.net Sat Jul 17 17:51:41 2004 From: steven at twitch.net (Steven J. Hodgen) Date: Sat Jul 17 17:47:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Hello + Problems Message-ID: <20040717154716.PGFR2198.out012.verizon.net@crow> Hi, I'm new to this list, but have been using Spambayes for a couple of years now. I'm writing this because Spambayes is no longer working nearly as effectively as before. I get tons and tons of spam, I suppose that I was stupid for not mangling my address on Usenet newsgroup postings in the past, but the damage is done. In any case, I recently decided to carefully retrain Spambayes in the hope that better training would solve the problem, but it hasn't. In fact, I'm somewhat shocked, since I've had such excellent results in the past. I'm writing this post hoping either for good advice on how to make Spambayes work well again, or to get validation that there are some problems. My suspicion is that spammers are getting much cleverer in their use of things like: V iag r.a And permuting this sort of thing to such an extent that Spambayes can't latch on to it. I'm a programmer, and I can see that this would be a difficult problem to solve. One question, it is my understanding that Spambayes uses "words" as the basic unit for scoring. If so, is a space the only character used as a break? Any thoughts on this? I'm certain that this business has been rehashed many times, since Spambayes has been around for a while now and has an active user base, but, well, the spam is driving me nuts. Thanks for your help! --Steven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040717/e2043b91/attachment.htm From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com Sat Jul 17 19:40:19 2004 From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker) Date: Sat Jul 17 19:40:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues In-Reply-To: <40F93B92.E0295CF1@RBarger.com> References: <40F89B24.17CA7536@RBarger.com> <40F93B92.E0295CF1@RBarger.com> Message-ID: <5F18885A-D818-11D8-AB49-000A95E09D92@rbwconsulting.com> You can also train by uploading mail folders in mbox (netscape/mozilla and most other mailers) or dbx (outlook express) format. On Jul 17, 2004, at 10:45 AM, Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > Of course, training on raw message source involves yet more steps for > each > message I want to train, but your clear explanation shows that it > likely > would be valuable -- perhaps extremely so. > From Rich at RBarger.com Sat Jul 17 20:29:17 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Sat Jul 17 20:29:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues References: <40F89B24.17CA7536@RBarger.com> <40F93B92.E0295CF1@RBarger.com> <5F18885A-D818-11D8-AB49-000A95E09D92@rbwconsulting.com> Message-ID: <40F96FFD.97B98647@RBarger.com> Thanks, Adam. I use Netscape 4.79 for mail. A "normal" header in my inbox looks like this: Subject: Re: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:40:19 -0400 From: Adam Walker To: Richard B Barger ABC APR CC: "spambayes@python.org" References: 1 , 2 , 3 I think what you're saying is that I should convert messages to mbox format; save all hams that I want to train into one file, then use the SpamBayes Web Interface to train on that file. How do I get messages into mbox format (which, I believe, should have another couple of lines beyond those in my "normal" header)? If I must convert each message manually, I'm not sure that saves any steps, but I'm probably missing something. Thanks again. Rich Barger Kansas City --- Adam Walker wrote: > You can also train by uploading mail folders in mbox (netscape/mozilla > and most other mailers) or dbx (outlook express) format. > > On Jul 17, 2004, at 10:45 AM, Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > > Of course, training on raw message source involves yet more steps for > each > > message I want to train, but your clear explanation shows that it > likely > > would be valuable -- perhaps extremely so. From TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com Sat Jul 17 22:36:48 2004 From: TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com (Mathew Hendry) Date: Sat Jul 17 22:37:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Hello + Problems References: <20040717154716.PGFR2198.out012.verizon.net@crow> Message-ID: <7c2jf0le1ac1sj30hohp71a7eu91qajkfc@4ax.com> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:51:41 -0700, "Steven J. Hodgen" wrote: >My suspicion is that spammers are getting much cleverer in their use of >things like: > >V iag r.a > >And permuting this sort of thing to such an extent that Spambayes can't >latch on to it. I'm a programmer, and I can see that this would be a >difficult problem to solve. One question, it is my understanding that >Spambayes uses "words" as the basic unit for scoring. If so, is a space the >only character used as a break? Any thoughts on this? I'm certain that >this business has been rehashed many times, since Spambayes has been around >for a while now and has an active user base, but, well, the spam is driving >me nuts. One theory of mine is that the accuracy of SpamBayes is down less to the spam you receive, but to your ham. Like most people I guess, I have two main mail streams: home and work. I run the SpamBayes Outlook addin separately on each. The home stream gets about the same amount and proportion of spam as work, but the ham content is *much* more hererogeneous. I receive mail from nearly a dozen different accounts, on all sorts of topics. Many of them are quite spammy - including mailing lists with messages containing quoted spam. SpamBayes issues "unsures" quite a lot, and they are usually ham. At work on the other hand, mail content is relatively consistent, from relatively few sources, on only one account. The spam is the same, but the ham isn't. SpamBayes runs nearly flawlessly on this account - I get maybe a couple of unsures a day, and it's usually a carefully crafted spam. At home then, perhaps it would help to have separate databases for each account? The problem then would be to identify the accounts, because all my home mail (including hotmail and yahoo accounts) is collected externally by the SpamCop Mail service, and I download it all from a SpamCop POP3 mailbox. (I don't have SpamCop Mail set up to block suspected spam directly, because it issues too many false positives for my liking. I have customized SpamBayes to examine the custom headers SpamCop Mail adds, though). It could be done by sniffing the headers, but that would be hard to do in a general way. Even if I were collecting my mail from the accounts directly, I don't think Outlook provides any way of finding out which account a particular mail came from. -- Mat. From tim.peters at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 03:16:32 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Jul 18 03:16:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Hello + Problems In-Reply-To: <20040717154716.PGFR2198.out012.verizon.net@crow> References: <20040717154716.PGFR2198.out012.verizon.net@crow> Message-ID: <1f7befae0407171816234d0830@mail.gmail.com> [Steven J. Hodgen ] > I'm new to this list, but have been using Spambayes for a couple of years now. That's a good trick, since SB didn't exist 2 years ago . > I'm writing this because Spambayes is no longer working nearly as effectively > as before. I get tons and tons of spam, I suppose that I was stupid for not > mangling my address on Usenet newsgroup postings in the past, but the > damage is done. Name-mangling probably doesn't help much. Using "steven" as your email name probably hurt, as there's no string <= 6 characters that won't be hit by randomized name generation routinely. Using a real name guarantees spammers will find you easily. They have no trouble finding me either, of course, and even on accounts from which I've *never* posted a message. > In any case, I recently decided to carefully retrain Spambayes in the hope that > better training would solve the problem, but it hasn't. In fact, I'm somewhat > shocked, since I've had such excellent results in the past. > > I'm writing this post hoping either for good advice on how to make Spambayes > work well again, or to get validation that there are some problems. The only way to know why SB scores your email the way it does is to stare at clue listings. That may or may not reveal the source of your current problems, but it's the only source of actual information there is to be had. You can often out-think why a rule-based system is screwing up (like "ah, that regular expression is matching more than it intended to match"), but there are no rules in SB, just simple statistics. > My suspicion is that spammers are getting much cleverer in their use of > things like: > > V iag r.a > > And permuting this sort of thing to such an extent that Spambayes can't latch > on to it. I'm a programmer, and I can see that this would be a difficult problem to > solve. You should enjoy this: There are 600,426,974,379,824,381,952 ways to spell Viagra http://cockeyed.com/lessons/viagra/viagra.html SB doesn't *try* to out-think any of them, though. Doesn't matter much in my own email mix, although the inability to detect moron-spelling tricks like this clearly boosts my Unsure rate. The saving grace is that these msgs rarely have anything that "looks hammy" to me either, so the unrecognized (ignored) obfuscations don't often save them from being classed as spam. > One question, it is my understanding that Spambayes uses "words" as the > basic unit for scoring. If so, is a space the only character used as a break? The message body is split purely on whitespace (spaces, tabs, carriage returns, newlines), except that embedded URLs and email addresses generate a pile of punctuation-sensitive tokenizations, and most HTML tags are thrown away unlooked-at. In the email headers, a number of tokenization gimmicks are used, often specific to the header line being examined. All of these decisions were driven by test results, and there's no particular *logic* to them beyond "because tests said that worked best". > Any thoughts on this? I'm certain that this business has been rehashed many > times, since Spambayes has been around for a while now and has an active > user base, but, well, the spam is driving me nuts? You have to stare at clue listings for your misclassified messages. Whenever I've had a problem, that quickly revealed the cause (which usually turned out to be a message trained into the wrong category). I wrote the bulk of the tokenization and classification code, so I may have a slight advantage in interpreting these listings, but many others have demonstrated a real flair for this too. Post some clue listings here, and I'm sure someone will take a whack at that. It helps to attach the full, raw source of the misclassified message too, and reveal how many spam and how many ham you've trained on (and if those numbers aren't roughly equal, the first thing you'll hear back is that unbalanced training is a known cause of poor results). From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com Sun Jul 18 04:30:37 2004 From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker) Date: Sun Jul 18 04:30:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues In-Reply-To: <40F99E36.DFB206B9@RBarger.com> References: <40F89B24.17CA7536@RBarger.com> <5F18885A-D818-11D8-AB49-000A95E09D92@rbwconsulting.com> <40F96B1D.58AE3EFC@RBarger.com> <40F99E36.DFB206B9@RBarger.com> Message-ID: <73EE5886-D862-11D8-88D2-000A95E09D92@rbwconsulting.com> On Jul 17, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > > Are you just trying to save me steps (otherwise I'd be training on > >each< > message), or does training on the mbox file pass additional header > information -- some of the hidden stuff -- along to SpamBayes? > I haven't looked into the formats closely, but I think the message source is very close to mbox format (mbox may have some added status headers -- which would be ignored -- and msg separators ). It is just quicker to create a folder, copy a bunch of messages to it and train on the folder. From Carey at CareyHolzman.com Sun Jul 18 15:27:25 2004 From: Carey at CareyHolzman.com (Carey Holzman) Date: Sun Jul 18 15:23:27 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] feature request Message-ID: The only complaint I have about SpamBayes is that it does not offer spam to automatically be sent to the deleted items, instead forcing it to the Spam folder. Why this is so annoying is that all spam must be deleted from the Spam folder, where it then goes to the deleted items folder, where it once again needs to be deleted. And if SpamBayes makes an error and a spam message arrives in your Inbox, you delete it a third time. The OPTION to send spam directly to the deleted items folder (referring to SpamBayes in use in Outlook, of course) would be greatly appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040718/84fd57bd/attachment.html From TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com Sun Jul 18 15:38:46 2004 From: TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com (Mathew Hendry) Date: Sun Jul 18 15:39:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Re: feature request References: Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 06:27:25 -0700, "Carey Holzman" wrote: >The only complaint I have about SpamBayes is that it does not offer spam to >automatically be sent to the deleted items, instead forcing it to the Spam >folder. It used to. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-can-t-i-set-spam-to-be-moved-to-the-deleted-items-folder http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-configure-spambayes-to-delete-spam-rather-than-moving-it TinyURLed in case those get word-wrapped: http://tinyurl.com/4jhk4 http://tinyurl.com/3q3xx -- Mat. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 19 04:30:32 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 19 04:30:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A3EE5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678166@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Of course, training on raw message source involves yet more > steps for each message I want to train [...] In what way are you doing your training at the moment? If you're using the web interface's review pages, then sb_server will automatically use the correct source for the messages (it saves a copy of the message as it arrives - this is what fills up the *-cache directories). In general, using the review pages is the best & simplest way to train. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 19 04:50:57 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 19 04:51:03 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Disparity Issues In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A3DE2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02EF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > - I make extensive use of Netscape Mail's filters. SpamBayes > is set to add "spam" and "unsure" headers, but not "ham." Is this through some sort of modification? By default, SpamBayes will add a "X-SpamBayes-Classification" header for all messages: ham, spam and unsure. Or do you mean that you're also adding a notation to the to/subject header, but only for spam and unsures? > - I have continued to reduce my ham and spam score cutoffs (currently > Ham = 0.01, Spam = 0.39), The spam threshold is *very* low. If a token hasn't been seen before, it gets a score of 0.5. So if you get a message comprised completely of tokens you haven't seen before, the message will score 0.5 (it's a tad more complicated than this, but it's a workable lie-to-children). With these thresholds, that means it'll be spam. Having the spam threshold over 0.6 would be a good idea, IMO. > but I still get far too many unsures; Roughly what percentage of your incoming mail would be unsure? Common numbers AFAIK are between 2 and 5%, which would be 30-75 messages per day with 1500 incoming messages. > 4 - I've made surprisingly few training mistakes (I think), > but I don't remember reading how to correct a message incorrectly > trained, when using the POP3 Proxy. How do I do this? If the message is still in the sb_server caches (by default they expire out of there in 7 days), you can use the "find message" query on the front page. This will bring up the message in a standard review page. Any untraining/retraining required based on your selection will be done automatically. If the message isn't still in the sb_server caches, then there isn't any facility for doing this with sb_server. One of the command-line tools (if you're running from source) could do this, I presume. You can just train the message (via the train facility on the front page) correctly, which will 'cancel out' the incorrect training (assuming that no tokenizing options have changed in the meantime), in some ways. This is far from ideal, though. > This ham-spam disparity has been an occasional topic in this group > lately. If roughly equal piles of ham and spam are important for most > effective classification, it appears to me that it might be useful for > the program simply to include a weighting factor. There once was one (the experimental_ham_spam_imbalance option). It proved to hurt more than help, and so was deprecated then removed. If someone can come up with one that works, then it would certainly get put throught he tests, and added as an experimental option if it does seem to work over many corpora. There isn't really enough known about the effects of different training regimes at the moment. There's a fair chunk of stuff on the wiki which you probably should read (or skim), for starters. There's at least one training technique (train-to-exhaustion, or tte) that *forces* a balanced database. Testing on the different training regimes has been pretty limited so far, but it looks like tte is as good as, if not better than, any of the others. At least one SpamBayes developer uses tte for SpamBayes training. The difficulty is that although there's a tte.py script in the source dist, there isn't really any simple way to do tte with sb_server at the moment (this will probably arrive, but not soon). You could probably rig up some sort of system, but it would be complicated. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Rich at RBarger.com Mon Jul 19 05:55:21 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Mon Jul 19 05:55:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678166@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <40FB4629.7C547916@RBarger.com> Thanks, Tony. That's excellent, very helpful information; it would be particularly valuable at the beginning of training or on smaller volumes of email. But I rarely use Review now. Let me explain: - (Reminder: I use Netscape 4.79, POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc2, and the Web-based interface. And I receive a huge volume of email.) - When I started using SpamBayes, I was having much trouble with ZoneAlarm, which I have previously documented on the SpamBayes discussion list. I was unable to load the "Review messages" page -- every time I tried, it would lock up my computer. - So, I trained manually, using the "Train on a message, mbox file or dbx file" section of the Web Interface. That worked fine; however, because I didn't understand how to use the mbox training, I copied and pasted and trained the messages one by one. - By the time I had the ZoneAlarm problem solved, I already had manually trained hundreds of messages. - I occasionally load the Review messages page -- it works fine with this version of ZoneAlarm -- but it already shows mostly spam. In today's listing of untrained messages (for me, Sunday -- here -- isn't a "typical" day; most days, I get more hams and unsures), the Review Messages page has 34 messages classified as unsure, 15 hams, and nearly 1200 classified as spam. During the day, I manually classified several messages as they came in. And yes, I understand how to click the column header and, for instance, not train the classifier on the already-correctly-identified spam messages. - For me -- and I understand that my circumstances are unusual -- there are two disincentives to using the review page: 1 - Message Subject lines and senders are not always sufficient for me to tell whether a ham is properly classified, or, more often, how an unsure message should be classified. I have to click on some of the messages and look at the View Message screen. No problem, of course, except that it's extra steps -- remember the volume of mail that I'm dealing with -- that I don't have to take if, instead, I'm looking at the hard copy of the actual message in my inbox and can see everything at a glance. Thus, once I'm in the situation I'm in now, having already done a lot of training, it would seem that using the Review page is a slower process than either 1) cutting and pasting a message into the "Train on a message ..." window or 2) using the mbox method (now that I sort of understand it). 2 - Here is an item maybe you or someone could fix: Remember, my lists of untrained messages are very long. If I am on the Review screen and click on the message and look at it in the View Message screen, your program doesn't register a placeholder. So, rather than returning to that message in the list, so that I can keep scanning subject lines, when I return from the View Message screen to the Review page, I am sent back to the top of the list. Each time I look at an individual message and return to the Review screen, I must scroll down the list again and again, searching for where I was when I went to the View Message screen. Again, that slows the process down. With a large volume of mail, it slows it down a bunch. For future versions, it might be worth considering a change that has the classifier hold its place when the user departs from the Review screen to look at the View Message screen. Thus, for those two reasons, I haven't used the Review pages much at all. Tony, I certainly can see how using the Review screen would be useful for initial training, and that it probably works extremely well with smaller volumes of mail, but, because of my odd circumstances, it is more cumbersome than helpful. Obviously, if I have to re-train from scratch sometime, I certainly will use the Review page method, and I appreciate your suggesting it. Three quick questions, pls: 1 - Adam Walker has given me some very helpful guidance on mbox (Thank you, Adam!), but I wanted to make sure I understood him correctly: Let's assume that, for example, all the messages in my Unsure folder are spam. Using the "Train on a message, mbox file or dbx file" section of the Web Interface page, can I simply browse to and upload the Unsure folder and click the "Train as Spam" button, and it will be as effective as if a) I had trained on those messages from the Review messages page, and as good as if b) I had displayed the page source for those messages and cut-and-pasted them in their entirety into the "Train on a message ..." box? 2 - There's no way to sort POP3 messages by ascending/descending order of spam score using the Web Interface, is there? I believe I've noticed some conversation about this capability in Outlook, but I can't figure out any way to do it with the Web Interface. 3 - I'm not sure which folders are which. I may have missed this in the help files and FAQs, but it would be helpful to have a list of file names and functions and the typical folders in which they reside -- a sort of "typical" SpamBayes hierarchy. It might be necessary to do different versions for the different flavors of SpamBayes, but you'll know where and what and how. Tony, I love the product, and I certainly appreciate all the work you guys have put into it. This list is exceptionally helpful; I see I have some more answers from you in a separate message. I'll turn to that now. Thank you. Rich Barger Kansas City --- Tony Meyer wrote: > > Of course, training on raw message source involves yet more > > steps for each message I want to train > [...] > > In what way are you doing your training at the moment? If you're using the > web interface's review pages, then sb_server will automatically use the > correct source for the messages (it saves a copy of the message as it arrives > - this is what fills up the *-cache directories). In general, using the > review pages is the best & simplest way to train. > > =Tony Meyer From Rich at RBarger.com Mon Jul 19 06:58:49 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Mon Jul 19 06:59:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Disparity Issues References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02EF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <40FB5509.4DEC7E21@RBarger.com> Tony Meyer wrote: > > - I make extensive use of Netscape Mail's filters. SpamBayes > > is set to add "spam" and "unsure" headers, but not "ham." > > Is this through some sort of modification? By default, SpamBayes will add a > "X-SpamBayes-Classification" header for all messages: ham, spam and unsure. Or > do you mean that you're also adding a notation to the to/subject header, but > only for spam and unsures? RBB: The latter, Tony. In the "Header Options" section of the Web Interface Configuration page, I have checked "spam" and "unsure" in the section, "Classify in subject header," but not "ham." I don't know how to sort or filter in Netscape unless I have SpamBayes add the "spam" and "unsure" notations. Then sorting is a breeze. The "X-SpamBayes-Classification" header is behind the scenes and doesn't show up in my messages unless I click the "All Headers" button. > > - I have continued to reduce my ham and spam score cutoffs (currently > > Ham = 0.01, Spam = 0.39), > > The spam threshold is *very* low. If a token hasn't been seen before, it gets > a score of 0.5. So if you get a message comprised completely of tokens you > haven't seen before, the message will score 0.5 (it's a tad more complicated > than this, but it's a workable lie-to-children). With these thresholds, that > means it'll be spam. Having the spam threshold over 0.6 would be a good idea, > IMO. RBB: That's what I wanted to know, Tony, and it's what I was afraid of, so THANK YOU! Your "lie-to-children" makes perfect sense to me. My experience right now (no data, just gut feeling) is this: -I still get a little spam in my ham folder, but it's a small percentage. -I have been getting too many unsures, but once I gradually dropped my Spam cutoff to the too-low 0.39, their number has dropped quite a bit and has become manageable. -90+ percent of my unsures still are spam. -Right now, I continue to visually scan all spam message Subject lines. After what I considered my initial training period, I've received fewer than a dozen ham messages in my spam folder -- that's maybe 12 out of 32,600 messages. And each of the improperly classified spam messages has been unimportant; while I kind of wanted to see them, it wouldn't have made any difference had I >not< seen them. I should have checked the scores and tokens of these, but most occurred before I knew how to do so. If it happens again, I'll know to check. Anyway, what I think applies to me is: My ham mail stream must be pretty uniform and accurately defined by SpamBayes. However, if I get a new type of ham message, you are telling me that there is a strong likelihood it will be misclassified. You've been clear that it would be prudent to raise my Spam cutoff. Even so, I'll have to think about this, because as long as my current setting isn't misclassifying, it saves me from having to manually deal with an annoyingly high level of Unsures, most of which are proving to be Spam. Question: What about my Ham Score cutoff of 0.01? Many of my Hams come out with an "X-Spambayes-Spam-Probability:" of 0.00000, but, of course, not all do. Because SpamBayes has been doing a good job of classifying ham, I only check the spam-probability scores occasionally. What do you suggest? > > but I still get far too many unsures; > > Roughly what percentage of your incoming mail would be unsure? Common numbers > AFAIK are between 2 and 5%, which would be 30-75 messages per day with 1500 > incoming messages. RBB: Hmmm. I thought I had read on the list that 2-3 percent was about right. This weekend was a poor test, and training yesterday and today based on Adam Walker's extremely helpful responses (Thank you again, Adam) has reduced the volume of unsures and will change my results. I'll have a better idea this coming week, but I believe my Unsures had been about twice that high (maybe a little less than 10 percent) before revising my training regimen. > > 4 - I've made surprisingly few training mistakes (I think), > > but I don't remember reading how to correct a message incorrectly > > trained, when using the POP3 Proxy. How do I do this? > > If the message is still in the sb_server caches (by default they expire out of > there in 7 days), you can use the "find message" query on the front page. This > will bring up the message in a standard review page. Any > untraining/retraining required based on your selection will be done > automatically. RBB: Ah! Makes sense. This info probably is in the Help or the FAQs somewhere, but I missed it. So, if I had trained a message as Spam, and came back and trained the same message as Ham, SpamBayes would no longer consider the tokens as added to the "spam" pile and would, instead, add them to the "ham" pile (using the workable-lie-to-children methodology mentioned earlier)? > If the message isn't still in the sb_server caches, then there isn't any > facility for doing this with sb_server. One of the command-line tools (if > you're running from source) could do this, I presume. You can just train the > message (via the train facility on the front page) correctly, which will > 'cancel out' the incorrect training (assuming that no tokenizing options have > changed in the meantime), in some ways. This is far from ideal, though. RBB: So my intuition was sort of correct, when I asked (in a different context) if training the same message (using the "Train on a message ..." box on the Web Interface page) multiple times as, say, ham helps solidify its tokens as ham -- and might even sort of "overrule" incorrect training of that message as spam. (Badly worded, but I hope you get the idea.) > > This ham-spam disparity has been an occasional topic in this group > > lately. If roughly equal piles of ham and spam are important for most > > effective classification, it appears to me that it might be useful for > > the program simply to include a weighting factor. > > There once was one (the experimental_ham_spam_imbalance option). It proved to > hurt more than help, and so was deprecated then removed. If someone can come > up with one that works, then it would certainly get put throught he tests, and > added as an experimental option if it does seem to work over many corpora. RBB: You guys are thorough; I should have known that you'd already looked into this. >From my perspective, with huge piles of spam and a relatively small pile of ham to offset training; and with the spam of many, many different types, and the ham relatively uniform; I end up training hams that are all but the same as other hams, just to keep the training sort of balanced. So you can see why it appeared to me that a multiplier or factor of some type might work just as well. Thanks for the explanation. > There isn't really enough known about the effects of different training > regimes at the moment. There's a fair chunk of stuff on the wiki > which you probably should read (or skim), for > starters. RBB: I'll do that. Thanks. > There's at least one training technique (train-to-exhaustion, or tte) that > *forces* a balanced database. Testing on the different training regimes has > been pretty limited so far, but it looks like tte is as good as, if not > better than, any of the others. At least one SpamBayes developer uses tte > for SpamBayes training. The difficulty is that although there's a tte.py > script in the source dist, there isn't really any simple way to do tte with > sb_server at the moment (this will probably arrive, but not soon). You > could probably rig up some sort of system, but it would be complicated. RBB: I'm not up to learning how to use source; sorry. I'll wait for the paperback edition. But it sounds promising. Tony, I don't know how to thank you sufficiently without simultaneously drooling all over myself, but I certainly appreciate the extremely helpful, thoughtful, clear responses. Thank you. Rich Barger Kansas City > --- > > =Tony Meyer > > --- > Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies > (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This > way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 19 08:39:27 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 19 08:39:38 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes' site webpage formatting.... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A3CA0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The changes to style.css haven't been pushed to the public > website yet, so any change from this fix would not be visible > yet. The change does indeed fix the problem with IE6 on my system. I've pushed it out, and it fixes it for me too (although changing the logo image size did, too; this is a nicer solution, though). [Necessary vs unnecessary scrolling] I agree with Kenny's comments here - in some situations the scrolling is necessary because there is just too much to fit. OTOH, there are a few very wide lines that are making the rest of the page more difficult to read at low resolutions (like Kenny, I don't notice this, because the whole thing fits with the resolution I'm using). I'll try and figure ways to sensibly wrap the longest of those lines to avoid this. It may not remove the necessity to scroll, but it should reduce it at least. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tdickenson at geminidataloggers.com Mon Jul 19 11:04:28 2004 From: tdickenson at geminidataloggers.com (Toby Dickenson) Date: Mon Jul 19 11:04:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to Circumvent Bayesian Filter' In-Reply-To: <40F89008.19E5822B@RBarger.com> References: <40F89008.19E5822B@RBarger.com> Message-ID: <200407191004.28819.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> On Saturday 17 July 2004 03:33, Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > I get the sense that "legitimate-appearing" text isn't easily caught by > SpamBayes .... I've appended an example at the > end of this message. That example includes the word 'baseball' in an attempt to appear legitimate to those users whose ham email contains that word. For me that word almost only appears in this type of passage, and it was the strongest spam clue in your email. The attempt to appear legitimate will fail for all users except the minority who are baseball fans. -- Toby Dickenson From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 19 11:13:57 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 19 11:14:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Disparity Issues In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307257C0D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [RBB] > The latter, Tony. In the "Header Options" section of > the Web Interface Configuration page, I have checked "spam" > and "unsure" in the section, "Classify in subject header," > but not "ham." I don't know how to sort or filter in Netscape > unless I have SpamBayes add the "spam" and "unsure" notations. Checking, it turns out that you can't AFAICT (you can in later versions of Netscape/Mozilla). No matter - I was just curious and it's not relevant to the rest of this, anyway. [RBB] > Your "lie-to-children" makes perfect sense to me. As an aside to anyone reading this: I'm not sure how widely recognised the "lie to children" phrase is outside of physicists & Discworld readers. Here's a definition: [RBB] > Anyway, what I think applies to me is: My ham mail stream > must be pretty uniform and accurately defined by SpamBayes. > However, if I get a new type of ham message, you are telling > me that there is a strong likelihood it will be misclassified. Yes, although it depends *how* new. The headers, for example, are almost certain to have been seen before (although they may push the message in the wrong direction, of course). [RBB] > You've been clear that it would be prudent to raise my Spam > cutoff. Even so, I'll have to think about this, because as long > as my current setting isn't misclassifying, it saves me from > having to manually deal with an annoyingly high > level of Unsures, most of which are proving to be Spam. Yes, the golden rule is always 'if it isn't broken, don't fix it'. [RBB] > Question: What about my Ham Score cutoff of 0.01? Many of > my Hams come out with an "X-Spambayes-Spam-Probability:" of 0.00000, > but, of course, not all do. Because SpamBayes has been doing a good > job of classifying ham, I only check the spam-probability scores > occasionally. What do you suggest? I don't know. This is one area where the Outlook plug-in (which I use for the most part) has a big advantage (as a result of tight integration with the mail client) - I see the spam score for all messages in a little column that I have to the left of the display. So I know for sure that I get the odd ham that's up near 10%. If you don't, then 0.01 might work for you (and if it is, then stick with it). Perhaps you could use the Review page to scan through the unsures, and see what the scores are like? (To do this, you have to enable two advanced options via the web interface - one to add the "Score" header, and one to show the "Score" column in the review page). [Percentage of unsures] > Hmmm. I thought I had read on the list that 2-3 percent was about right. Well, 2-3 percent is probably the more normal end, but some testing has resulted in numbers closer to 5%. [...] > I'll have a better idea this coming week, but I believe my Unsures > had been about twice that high (maybe a little less than 10 percent) > before revising my training regimen. You should definitely manage to get down to 5% or less, from what we've seen elsewhere. [Tony Meyer] > If the message is still in the sb_server caches (by default > they expire out of there in 7 days), you can use the "find message" > query on the front page. This will bring up the message in a standard > review page. Any untraining/retraining required based on your selection > will be done automatically. [RBB] > Ah! Makes sense. This info probably is in the Help or the FAQs > somewhere, but I missed it. It may not be. The documentation needs a lot of work in places, particularly with newer features. (We're working on it, but slowly). [RBB] > So, if I had trained a message as Spam, and came back and > trained the same message as Ham, SpamBayes would no longer > consider the tokens as added to the "spam" pile and would, > instead, add them to the "ham" pile (using the > workable-lie-to-children methodology mentioned earlier)? Yes, exactly. The message is first 'untrained', then trained in the new category. 'Untraining' isn't made manually accessible, because it's easy to screw up the database if you untrain a message that was never trained (you end up with negative counts and ugly things like that). [RBB] > So my intuition was sort of correct, when I asked (in a > different context) if training the same message (using the > "Train on a message ..." box on the Web > Interface page) multiple times as, say, ham helps solidify > its tokens as ham -- and might even sort of "overrule" incorrect > training of that message as spam. > (Badly worded, but I hope you get the idea.) Yes. The main complication (as I understand things, and I'm not the stats expert) is that the total number of ham/spam messages trained also has an effect. So while you're strengthening the tokens in that message, in a way you're also weakening the tokens that aren't in that message. [RBB] > I'm not up to learning how to use source; sorry. I'll > wait for the paperback edition. But it sounds promising. I think that this is the area where SpamBayes stands to gain most at the moment. Two reasons: (1) it seems there are reasonable gains to me made in accuracy by using a good training regime (whereas it's hard to find similar gains in the classifier/tokenizer anymore) and (2) this is one of the biggest usability flaws at the moment, IMO. We get a lot of "it isn't classifying properly" emails to which the response is "please try balancing your database", and it would be great if we could take care of that automatically. BTW, one other thing to try, although to get the proper effect you do need to retrain (although you can always save the current databases and move back to them later) is the unigram/bigrams experimental option. The idea is basically that the classifier looks at both individual 'words' and pairs of words, although it's more complicated than that. There hasn't been enough testing done to say for sure that it's always better to use it, but it certainly looks good in most situations, and many of the developers (including me and the guy who *is* the stats expert) are using it in our day-to-day systems. If you want to try it out, you'll have to open up your configuration file (the top of the configuration web page will say where it is) in something like notepad and add the lines: [Classifier] x-use_bigrams: True (without the leading spaces) to the end of the file. The database will end up bigger, but it should be more accurate and should also learn more quickly. This might also help nail the 'spam with a story' type messages that you described in another post (which I haven't managed to read properly yet). (There are a whole slew of other options that could be fiddled about with as well, but that's the one that offers the most widespread hope). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 19 11:41:41 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 19 11:41:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307257BF7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I occasionally load the Review messages page -- it works > fine with this version of ZoneAlarm -- but it already shows > mostly spam. There are some options to try and help with this. You can set the default action for the various categories (defaulting to "discard" for spam, for example), and you can have different actions for ham below a threshold and spam above a threshold ("train as spam" for all spam below 0.7 and "discard" for all spam above 0.7, for example). You can set the number of messages of each type (ham, spam, unsure) to display per page (this defaults to something like 100,000, so in all likelihood all messages for that day). > In today's listing of untrained messages (for me, Sunday -- > here -- isn't a "typical" day; most days, I get more hams and > unsures), the Review Messages page has 34 messages classified > as unsure, 15 hams, and nearly 1200 classified as > spam. For example, here you could set the rows per category to something like 50, and not see most of the spam (without clicking to the next page). > I have to click on some of the messages and look at the View > Message screen. No problem, of course, except that it's extra > steps -- remember the volume of mail that I'm dealing with > -- that I don't have to take if, instead, I'm looking at > the hard copy of the actual message in my inbox and can see > everything at a glance. The SMTP proxy is one way around this. It's an alternative training method where you forward messages ("as an attachment" with Netscape) to a special address (e.g. spambayes-spam@localhost or spambayes-ham@localhost) and do the training that way. It's (currently) one message at a time, though, so perhaps not a convenient solution. A better alternative, but one that's not quite ready yet, would be the pop3dnd script (it's in the source archive, but really needs a bit more work and a lot more testing before it's ready for prime time and a binary release). This lets you do drag-and-drop training in your regular mailer (without actually integrating into the mailer, so it's still unimportant which one you use). Not much use now, but some day... > 2 - Here is an item maybe you or someone could fix: > > Remember, my lists of untrained messages are very long. If I > am on the Review screen and click on the message and look at > it in the View Message screen, your program doesn't register > a placeholder. So, rather than returning to that > message in the list, so that I can keep scanning subject > lines, when I return from the View Message screen to the Review > page, I am sent back to the top of the list. I've added a feature request tracker for this, so will get to it at some point (unless someone beats me to it). [ 993679 ] Remember place on review page when viewing message > Let's assume that, for example, all the messages in my Unsure > folder are spam. Using the "Train on a message, mbox file or > dbx file" section of the Web Interface page, can I simply browse > to and upload the Unsure folder and click the "Train as Spam" > button, and it will be as effective as if a) I had trained > on those messages from the Review messages page, and as good > as if b) I had displayed the page source for those messages and > cut-and-pasted them in their entirety into the "Train on a > message ..." box? Yes, that's correct. > 2 - There's no way to sort POP3 messages by ascending/descending > order of spam score using the Web Interface, is there? I believe > I've noticed some conversation about this capability in Outlook, > but I can't figure out any way to do it with the Web Interface. There is, with some catches. To do this you turn on the advanced option to add the "score" header to messages (in the "Headers" section on the Advanced Configuration page), and the advanced option to show the "score" column in the review page (in the "Interface Options" section on the Advanced Configuration page). The main catch is that there's a bug in all the current releases which means that the scores are sorted as strings, which means it goes something like "1, 10, 11, 12, ..., 2, 20, ...". I fixed this a few days ago, but the change won't make it out into a released version for a while. Apart from that, it should mostly work. > 3 - I'm not sure which folders are which. I may have missed > this in the help files and FAQs, but it would be helpful to > have a list of file names and functions and the typical > folders in which they reside -- a sort of "typical" > SpamBayes hierarchy. It might be necessary to do different > versions for the different flavors of SpamBayes, but you'll > know where and what and how. I'll try and remember to add this to the appropriate documentation. It seems like a sensible addition - thanks! > This list is exceptionally helpful We try - note that there are periods when all the regular people doing the answering get quite busy at the same time, and so replies are slow to come. They do come eventually, though. (And this is not one of those times). The difference in time zones (e.g. I'm in NZ; I think Adam is in the US) can also mean that responses are delayed sometimes. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From BettieRichardsonica at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 12:25:59 2004 From: BettieRichardsonica at hotmail.com (Ray) Date: Mon Jul 19 11:45:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] it's a shame t Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040719/c0e549ba/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 19 12:01:49 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 19 12:03:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: [No longer filtering] In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A3B68@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The problem I am having is no longer filtering mail... this > is in my email; > > X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): > . File "sb_server.pyc", line 475, in onRetr > . File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 190, in chi2_spamprob > . File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 493, in _getclues > . File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 508, in _worddistanceget > . File "spambayes\classifier.pyc", line 311, in probability > .AssertionError This means that there is a problem with your database. (More specifically, it means that somehow there is a token in the database that has been seen in more spam than you have trained spam, which is obviously impossible). The only solution (other than manually mucking about with the database, which isn't recommended) is to retrain from scratch, sorry. It's very unusual to see this error (even more rare than the "DB Run Recovery" database problem, which is rare now, too). If the problem reoccurs, we'd be interested in hearing about anything unusual in your setup that may have caused the problem. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 19 12:09:41 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 19 12:11:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback from an ecstatic user In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A35CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Total emails trained: Spam: 13126 Ham: 2479 > More statistics: > > SpamBayes has processed 9009 messages - 1566 (17%) good, > 7131 (79%) spam and 312 (3%) unsure. > 648 messages were manually classified as good (0 were > false positives). > 2835 messages were manually classified as spam (1 was a > false negative). > 9 unsure messages were manually identified as good, and > 147 as spam. > > (I presume the difference in numbers e.g. (13126 vs. 7131) is due to the > fact that I have gone through several different different versions) Most probably, yes. Older versions didn't keep around the same information that newer ones do, so that's probably what's caused this. > Warning: you have much more spam than ham - SpamBayes works > best with approximately even numbers of ham and spam. > > ... which leads me to the one bit of feedback I might tive > you. Given what the world is coming to, 50/50 spam vs. ham > appears to me a pipe-dream. If different tuning of SpamBayes > for more unfavorable ratios is possible, perhaps this would > be a good idea. We're definitely aware of this - unfortunately the main attempt we've made so far at correctly imbalances turned out to hurt more than help. There some other ideas about at the moment, though, and this should be something that's addressed in the first 1.1 version. > But having said that, even with my 5:1 > ratio, I am very happy. What bliss SpamBayes' "best" must be. :) How much of an imbalance causes a problem is very much an individual thing. The warning appears at 1::5 or 5::1, as this is around where problems *might* start appearing, and early enough that people can change their training habits, if possible. The biggest examples of problems are when people have ratios more like 100:1 (or worse!). Thanks for the feedback! =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From postmaster at amnesty.org Mon Jul 19 13:14:21 2004 From: postmaster at amnesty.org (InterScan MSS Notification) Date: Mon Jul 19 13:14:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Virus found, original message not delivered. Message-ID: <20040719120625.3FF1F1A3A6@rooster.amnesty.org> Your email address has been used to send us a message. A virus was found and so your message has been deleted. It has not been delivered to the intended recipient, and they have not been informed. If you want your message to be received, please re-send to the intended recipient without a virus. From abean at wgeld.org Mon Jul 19 13:50:30 2004 From: abean at wgeld.org (Bean Aaron A.) Date: Mon Jul 19 13:46:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Win Download link inoperable Message-ID: The link to the Win version of SpamBayes is not working. Not sure if this is a temporary issue, but wanted to bring it your attention. I am interested in downloading the latest and greatest version. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.exe?download Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A35CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1849255099.20040719095729@vfemail.net> I asked this of the list a week or so ago but never received a reply about it. I'm hoping it doesn't mean that no one knows the answer. Has anyone gotten SpamBayes to work with YahooPops? So far, I have been unable to get it working. No matter what I do, the mail doesn't seem to go through SpamBayes. Currently, I have YahooPops set to use localhost as the address and the port is 112. Without SpamBayes running, the mail comes in as it should. In Spambayes, I set the Yahoo server to localhost and set the port to 112. The mail still comes in but, instead of coming through Spambayes, it seems to bypass it completely. I say this because nothing gets marked with the X-Spambayes headers. And, if I review messages through the Spambayes web interface, nothing shows up. Anyone have any idea what I might be doing wrong? Any help is greatly appreciated. Rick -- The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ball game at Yankee Stadium. From gert.muylaert at pandora.be Mon Jul 19 15:58:46 2004 From: gert.muylaert at pandora.be (Gert Muylaert) Date: Mon Jul 19 15:58:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <001501c486be$0d63f7a0$2c0ce0d5@p4> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040719/f633aa48/attachment.htm From djweaver at charter.net Mon Jul 19 16:01:13 2004 From: djweaver at charter.net (David J. Weaver) Date: Mon Jul 19 16:01:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ? about download Message-ID: <3948se$3tu140@mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net> Trying to download the exe file of SpamBayes 1.0 final and says it can't be found. Any help? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040719/b20ca204/attachment.html From go7456 at sbc.com Mon Jul 19 16:13:23 2004 From: go7456 at sbc.com (OSBORNE, KEITH (AIT)) Date: Mon Jul 19 16:13:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Should SpamBayes block spam? Message-ID: <936BC4F0FA56014E8B52020240B3D578015540A6@ilnort1msgusr07.itservices.sbc.com> I've installed SpamBayes on my local PC so that it points to the POP3 server and the PC points to localhost. I have been training it for over a week now. It identifies Spam and Ham properly, but I still receive identified Spam in my Inbox. Is SpamBayes supposed to block Spam at some point or simply identify it? * Windows XP Pro with Outlook Express 6 * SpamBayes v1.0rc2 Thanks, Keith From pbhakat at sancharnet.in Mon Jul 19 17:09:17 2004 From: pbhakat at sancharnet.in (P.Bhakat) Date: Mon Jul 19 17:11:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes update Message-ID: <001e01c46da2$7feec320$a3a3023d@PrasenjitBhakat> Having got no reply to this e-mail, I downloaded & installed "spambayes-1.0rc2_2.exe" afresh, but am not sure if the NEWER version is actually active in MS Outlook.How can I confirm it? -----Original Message----- From: P.Bhakat [mailto:pbhakat@sancharnet.in] Sent: Tuesday, 06 July, 2004 10:39 PM To: 'spambayes@python.org' Subject: SpamBayes update I have installed SpamBayes 1.Orc1, as MS Outlook Add-in.How can I update it, WITHOUT downloading & installing "spambayes-1.0rc2.exe" afresh?Prasenjit Bhakat ,Charter Secretary, Rotary Club of Jhargram Green, P.H.Road, PO--Jhargram--721507, W.B. India. Fax+Ph:00-91-3221-256084 From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 17:18:21 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jul 19 17:18:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Does it work with YahooPops? In-Reply-To: <1849255099.20040719095729@vfemail.net> Message-ID: Rick Friedman wrote: > Has anyone gotten SpamBayes to work with YahooPops? Yes, I've used it successfully with both YahooPOPs and Hotmail Popper. > Currently, I have YahooPops set to use localhost as the address and > the port is 112. Without SpamBayes running, the mail comes in as it > should. In Spambayes, I set the Yahoo server to localhost and set the > port to 112. Sounds like you are trying to configure YahooPOPs and SpamBayes to listen on the same port. The correct configuration when your POP server uses a port other than the default 110 is as follows: Leave YahooPOPs configured as is. In the SpamBayes configuration, set the Remote Server to "localhost:112" and set the SpamBayes port to 113. Now configure your mail client to get mail from server localhost and port 113. -- Kenny Pitt From Rich at RBarger.com Mon Jul 19 18:11:39 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Mon Jul 19 18:11:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to Circumvent Bayesian Filter' References: <40F89008.19E5822B@RBarger.com> <200407191004.28819.tdickenson@geminidataloggers.com> Message-ID: <40FBF2BB.436B8110@RBarger.com> Thank you, Toby. I only look at spam clues occasionally, and do not really understand them well enough to recognize their effect on scoring a particular message. As an example: For me, the word "baseball" in this text only shows up with a 15 percent probability of spam, with the words "plain" and "quality" rating 68 percent and "did" at 77 percent. I sent the entire text in an email from me to me (I realize those me-to-me headers will skew the results) and the score comes out at 0.000161 spam probability. That said, >some< word or words always will be the highest-probability spam clue, but the precise corpus obviously differs from person to person. That's what makes SpamBayes work so well. As a writer, editor, avid reader, and participant in 15 discussion groups, I receive many narratives on many topics, and, except for isolated words and the nonsense characters the spammer has put at the end of my example, there is nothing in such text that sounds or looks particularly different from my normal message stream. In general, I'd think that such neutral text would tend to lower a message's spam probability, and the effect of one or a few suspect words would be insignificant. Even if the word "baseball" rated at 300 percent likely to be spam , the rest of the more "normal" words would, it seems to me, offset the spammy effect of "baseball" or other seldom-seen general words. But, as Dennis Miller says, "I could be wrong." Toby, thanks very much for shedding some new light on these spam-filter-avoidance narratives. I'm still not convinced, but I certainly appreciate you stirring my thinking. Cheers! Rich Barger Kansas City --- Toby Dickenson wrote: > On Saturday 17 July 2004 03:33, Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > > > I get the sense that "legitimate-appearing" text isn't easily caught by > > SpamBayes .... I've appended an example at the > > end of this message. > > That example includes the word 'baseball' in an attempt to appear legitimate to > those users whose ham email contains that word. > > For me that word almost only appears in this type of passage, and it was the > strongest spam clue in your email. The attempt to appear legitimate will fail > for all users except the minority who are baseball fans. > > -- > Toby Dickenson From rtatum at christianitytoday.com Mon Jul 19 19:01:31 2004 From: rtatum at christianitytoday.com (Tatum, Richard) Date: Mon Jul 19 19:02:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Download error... In-Reply-To: <40FBF2BB.436B8110@RBarger.com> Message-ID: At URL http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.exe?downl oad Got this error: Could not read file. Go back. /home/ftp/pub/sourceforge//s/sp/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.exe Jul 19, 2004 09:58 Also got this error: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 3240 bytes) in Unknown on line 0 From RickFriedman at vfemail.net Mon Jul 19 19:15:15 2004 From: RickFriedman at vfemail.net (Rick Friedman) Date: Mon Jul 19 19:14:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Does it work with YahooPops? In-Reply-To: References: <1849255099.20040719095729@vfemail.net> Message-ID: <133871308.20040719131515@vfemail.net> Hi Kenny, Monday, July 19, 2004, 11:18:21 AM, you wrote: >> Currently, I have YahooPops set to use localhost as the address and >> the port is 112. Without SpamBayes running, the mail comes in as it >> should. In Spambayes, I set the Yahoo server to localhost and set the >> port to 112. KP> Sounds like you are trying to configure YahooPOPs and SpamBayes to listen on KP> the same port. The correct configuration when your POP server uses a port KP> other than the default 110 is as follows: KP> Leave YahooPOPs configured as is. In the SpamBayes configuration, set the KP> Remote Server to "localhost:112" and set the SpamBayes port to 113. Now KP> configure your mail client to get mail from server localhost and port 113. Duh! You know... I looked at the ports several times, thinking that something was wrong with them but it never dawned on me. Thanks for pointing it out. It's working fine now! Take it easy, Rick -- The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ball game at Yankee Stadium. From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 19:40:55 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jul 19 19:41:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback from an ecstatic user In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony Meyer wrote: >> Total emails trained: Spam: 13126 Ham: 2479 More statistics: >> >> SpamBayes has processed 9009 messages - 1566 (17%) good, >> 7131 (79%) spam and 312 (3%) unsure. >> 648 messages were manually classified as good (0 were false >> positives). 2835 messages were manually classified as spam (1 >> was a false negative). 9 unsure messages were manually >> identified as good, and 147 as spam. >> >> (I presume the difference in numbers e.g. (13126 vs. 7131) is due to >> the fact that I have gone through several different different >> versions) > > Most probably, yes. Older versions didn't keep around the same > information that newer ones do, so that's probably what's caused > this. Differences in the counts can also be caused by manual training. 13126 is the number of spams *trained* while 7131 is the number of spams *processed* by SpamBayes, so they're counting different things. If you've ever used the "Train on a message, mbox file or dbx file" option to train on additional spam messages, those messages will be included in the trained count but not in the processed count. -- Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 20:03:21 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jul 19 20:03:32 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to Circumvent BayesianFilter' In-Reply-To: <40FBF2BB.436B8110@RBarger.com> Message-ID: Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > As a writer, editor, avid reader, and participant in 15 discussion > groups, I receive many narratives on many topics, and, except for > isolated words and the nonsense characters the spammer has put at the > end of my example, there is nothing in such text that sounds or looks > particularly different from my normal message stream. > > In general, I'd think that such neutral text would tend to lower a > message's spam probability, and the effect of one or a few suspect > words would be insignificant. Even if the word "baseball" rated at > 300 percent likely to be spam , the rest of the more "normal" > words would, it seems to me, offset the spammy effect of "baseball" > or other seldom-seen general words. Truly neutral text (where neutral is defined as having a spam prob between 0.4 and 0.6) is discarded by SpamBayes when calculating the final spam score. A word that has never been seen before will receive a spam prob of 0.5, so it will not be considered in the scoring. This is what prevents random text from causing problems for most people. It is difficult for the spammer to come up with a list of words that you have seen before and trained on as hammy. For some people such as yourself who communicate on an unusually wide variety of topics, it is probably more likely for the spammer to stumble upon text that appears hammy based on your training data. This may also be exaggerated by the fact that you appear to train on all messages, not just the ones that were not identified correctly (although long-term effects of different training methods have not been proven). All non-neutral probabilities are combined using a statistical formula that effectively gives more weight to more extreme probabilities (closer to 1 or 0). In your "baseball" example, the single highly-spammy word would need several somewhat-hammy words to balance it out. On the other hand, if a spammer manages to hit a single highly-hammy word while all the rest of his random text scores as neutral and is discarded, it's possible for the highly-hammy word to have a significant impact on the overall score. -- Kenny Pitt From Rich at RBarger.com Mon Jul 19 20:48:57 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Mon Jul 19 20:49:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to CircumventBayesianFilter' References: Message-ID: <40FC1799.C6026DBD@RBarger.com> What a terrific explanation, Kenny! As I mentioned to Tony, you folks think of everything! And yes, you probably have analyzed my situation correctly, except for one thing: Because of my huge volume of email, I certainly do not train on everything. I only train on mistakes and some of the unsures. (If I get 11 identical unsures in a row, I certainly don't train on all of them. And, from earlier help in this discussion group, I learned that SpamBayes was classifying messages sent to my several accounts differently; now that I know this, I selectively train, based on the addressee, to "even things out.") One more thought: It would intuitively seem that a longer, flowing text narrative from a spammer would be slightly more likely to include neutral and ham words than spam words. I won't attempt to do math on this, and there are probably lots of theoretical and practical reasons why I'm wrong, but my gut tells me that, the longer and more coherent the narrative, the more likely it would be to score as ham. Very helpful, Kenny. Thank you. Rich Barger Kansas City --- Kenny Pitt wrote: > Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > > As a writer, editor, avid reader, and participant in 15 discussion > > groups, I receive many narratives on many topics, and, except for > > isolated words and the nonsense characters the spammer has put at the > > end of my example, there is nothing in such text that sounds or looks > > particularly different from my normal message stream. > > > > In general, I'd think that such neutral text would tend to lower a > > message's spam probability, and the effect of one or a few suspect > > words would be insignificant. Even if the word "baseball" rated at > > 300 percent likely to be spam , the rest of the more "normal" > > words would, it seems to me, offset the spammy effect of "baseball" > > or other seldom-seen general words. > > Truly neutral text (where neutral is defined as having a spam prob between 0.4 > and 0.6) is discarded by SpamBayes when calculating the final spam score. A > word that has never been seen before will receive a spam prob of 0.5, so it > will not be considered in the scoring. > > This is what prevents random text from causing problems for most people. It > is difficult for the spammer to come up with a list of words that you have > seen before and trained on as hammy. For some people such as yourself who > communicate on an unusually wide variety of topics, it is probably more likely > for the spammer to stumble upon text that appears hammy based on your training > data. This may also be exaggerated by the fact that you appear to train on > all messages, not just the ones that were not identified correctly (although > long-term effects of different training methods have not been proven). > > All non-neutral probabilities are combined using a statistical formula that > effectively gives more weight to more extreme probabilities (closer to 1 or > 0). In your "baseball" example, the single highly-spammy word would need > several somewhat-hammy words to balance it out. On the other hand, if a > spammer manages to hit a single highly-hammy word while all the rest of his > random text scores as neutral and is discarded, it's possible for the > highly-hammy word to have a significant impact on the overall score. > > -- > Kenny Pitt From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 21:05:44 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jul 19 21:05:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to CircumventBayesianFilter' In-Reply-To: <40FC1799.C6026DBD@RBarger.com> Message-ID: Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > One more thought: It would intuitively seem that a longer, flowing > text narrative from a spammer would be slightly more likely to > include neutral and ham words than spam words. I won't attempt to do > math on this, and there are probably lots of theoretical and > practical reasons why I'm wrong, but my gut tells me that, the longer > and more coherent the narrative, the more likely it would be to score > as ham. You are probably quite correct on this in general, but as usual it depends on your personal training data. The random gibberish that spammers sometimes insert to fool hashing filters such as SpamNet has proven completely ineffective at fooling SpamBayes. Random nonsense isn't going to appear hammy to anyone. A narrative, on the other hand, will depend on how similar the topic is to something that you typically discuss in your e-mail. For me, text taken from a political news story would probably be far less likely to appear hammy than an excerpt from a computer mag or a sci-fi novel. For others, it would probably be exactly the opposite. -- Kenny Pitt From Rich at RBarger.com Mon Jul 19 21:28:51 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Mon Jul 19 21:29:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to CircumventBayesianFilter' References: Message-ID: <40FC20F2.3D24428@RBarger.com> Thank you, Kenny, for taking my flight of fancy seriously. That's another good explanation. Demonstrating how little I know, I want to take one more stab at this. I postulate that a long, flowing narrative will have lots of neutral words, but, over a large enough user base -- and that is the key -- will have more of what the mass of users considers ham-tending words than spam-tending words (even though, in the case of particular users, the opposite doubtless would be the case). I'm speculating that, over the course of a large quantity of spam and a large quantity of ham, fewer tokens show up as spam in most user's evenly trained databases than show up as ham. Put another way, even allowing for differences in user preference and experience, I'm guessing that the dictionary of spam tokens is smaller than the dictionary of ham tokens. Actually, that somewhat smaller "dictionary" probably works both ways, but I still theorize that the larger number of likely ham words over the universe of users will result in longer narratives being somewhat more likely to be judged ham. I completely agree about the random gibberish. Thank you again. Rich Barger --- Kenny Pitt wrote: > Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > > One more thought: It would intuitively seem that a longer, flowing > > text narrative from a spammer would be slightly more likely to > > include neutral and ham words than spam words. I won't attempt to do > > math on this, and there are probably lots of theoretical and > > practical reasons why I'm wrong, but my gut tells me that, the longer > > and more coherent the narrative, the more likely it would be to score > > as ham. > > You are probably quite correct on this in general, but as usual it depends on > your personal training data. The random gibberish that spammers sometimes > insert to fool hashing filters such as SpamNet has proven completely > ineffective at fooling SpamBayes. Random nonsense isn't going to appear hammy > to anyone. A narrative, on the other hand, will depend on how similar the > topic is to something that you typically discuss in your e-mail. For me, text > taken from a political news story would probably be far less likely to appear > hammy than an excerpt from a computer mag or a sci-fi novel. For others, it > would probably be exactly the opposite. > > -- > Kenny Pitt From Rich at RBarger.com Mon Jul 19 21:33:44 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Mon Jul 19 21:33:55 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Disparity Issues References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <40FC2218.6B32F534@RBarger.com> Thanks, Tony. See below, pls. I think I found a glitch, and there are a couple of substantive questions, if you look far enough. Rich Barger --- Tony Meyer wrote: > As an aside to anyone reading this: I'm not sure how widely recognised the > "lie to children" phrase is outside of physicists & Discworld readers. Here's > a definition: RBB: > [RBB] > > Anyway, what I think applies to me is: My ham mail stream > > must be pretty uniform and accurately defined by SpamBayes. > > However, if I get a new type of ham message, you are telling > > me that there is a strong likelihood it will be misclassified. > > Yes, although it depends *how* new. The headers, for example, are almost > certain to have been seen before (although they may push the message in the > wrong direction, of course). RBB: I understand. > [RBB] > > You've been clear that it would be prudent to raise my Spam > > cutoff. Even so, I'll have to think about this, because as long > > as my current setting isn't misclassifying, it saves me from > > having to manually deal with an annoyingly high > > level of Unsures, most of which are proving to be Spam. > > Yes, the golden rule is always 'if it isn't broken, don't fix it'. RBB: But I will try to stay awake, and "keep my eye on it." And if I screw up, I will know the source of the problem. > [RBB] > > Question: What about my Ham Score cutoff of 0.01? Many of > > my Hams come out with an "X-Spambayes-Spam-Probability:" of 0.00000, > > but, of course, not all do. Because SpamBayes has been doing a good > > job of classifying ham, I only check the spam-probability scores > > occasionally. What do you suggest? > > I don't know. This is one area where the Outlook plug-in (which I use for the > most part) has a big advantage (as a result of tight integration with the mail > client) - I see the spam score for all messages in a little column that I have > to the left of the display. So I know for sure that I get the odd ham that's > up near 10%. If you don't, then 0.01 might work for you (and if it is, then > stick with it). > > Perhaps you could use the Review page to scan through the unsures, and see > what the scores are like? (To do this, you have to enable two advanced > options via the web interface - one to add the "Score" header, and one to show > the "Score" column in the review page). RBB: Yes! Yes! Yes! Absolutely! Thank you! However, I believe I found a bug: I had already clicked those settings several days ago, Tony, and nothing had changed on my Review Messages screen. That is, the "Score" header had not been added. I tried this in both Firefox and IE, with the same results. After fiddling around a bit with the Advanced Configuration Interface Options, I found that I needed to alter the very first option -- "Headers to display in message review" -- before the Score header would appear in the Review Messages lists. After quite a bit of trial and error, I find that simply putting in a trailing space after the default headers, "Subject From ", tricked the system into displaying the Score header on the Review Messages page. Really. Now maybe I've been drinking, but, if so, I don't remember it. I couldn't get the Score header to display until I made a change in the "Headers to display in message review" window. > [Percentage of unsures] > > Hmmm. I thought I had read on the list that 2-3 percent was about right. > > Well, 2-3 percent is probably the more normal end, but some testing has > resulted in numbers closer to 5%. > > [...] > > I'll have a better idea this coming week, but I believe my Unsures > > had been about twice that high (maybe a little less than 10 percent) > > before revising my training regimen. > > You should definitely manage to get down to 5% or less, from what we've seen > elsewhere. RBB: Tony, I believe the other changes I've been making in response to list suggestions already have reduced my volume of unsures quite a bit. > [RBB] > > So my intuition was sort of correct, when I asked (in a > > different context) if training the same message (using the > > "Train on a message ..." box on the Web > > Interface page) multiple times as, say, ham helps solidify > > its tokens as ham -- and might even sort of "overrule" incorrect > > training of that message as spam. > > (Badly worded, but I hope you get the idea.) > > Yes. The main complication (as I understand things, and I'm not the stats > expert) is that the total number of ham/spam messages trained also has an > effect. So while you're strengthening the tokens in that message, in a way > you're also weakening the tokens that aren't in that message. RBB: Excellent point, well put. As I asked in an earlier message -- and I understand this isn't quite the same thing -- "I don't know your algorithm, but I'd guess that, as I get a larger training corpus, each trained message contributes a smaller amount to scoring than would be the case with fewer trained messages. True?" > Tony: We get a lot of "it isn't classifying properly" emails to which the > response is "please try balancing your database", and it would be great if we > could take care of that > automatically. > > BTW, one other thing to try, although to get the proper effect you do need to > retrain (although you can always save the current databases and move back to > them later) is the unigram/bigrams experimental option. The idea is basically > that the classifier looks at both individual 'words' and pairs of words, > although it's more complicated than that. There hasn't been enough testing > done to say for sure that it's always better to use it, but it certainly looks > good in most situations, and many of the developers (including me and the guy > who *is* the stats expert) are using it in our day-to-day systems. RBB: As I've said previously, I don't mind retraining. I think I'd be a bit smarter about it now. The deal for me is to correctly identify the database files. Would it be hammie.db and spambayes.messageinfo.db? I'll be happy to "test" it and give feedback, up to what obviously are the low limits of my capabilities. > If you want to try it out, you'll have to open up your configuration file (the > top of the configuration web page will say where it is) in something like > notepad and add the lines: > > [Classifier] > x-use_bigrams: True > > (without the leading spaces) to the end of the file. > > The database will end up bigger, but it should be more accurate and should > also learn more quickly. This might also help nail the 'spam with a story' > type messages that you described in another post (which I haven't managed to > read properly yet). > > (There are a whole slew of other options that could be fiddled about with as > well, but that's the one that offers the most widespread hope). RBB: The text on the Experimental Options page says that it might be a good idea to increase the max-discriminators option from 150 to 300 or 600. I think that's the "Maximum number of extreme words" setting on the Advanced Configuration page. Your thoughts? Thanks again. Rich Barger > =Tony Meyer From kennypitt at hotmail.com Mon Jul 19 22:31:10 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Mon Jul 19 22:31:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Disparity Issues In-Reply-To: <40FC2218.6B32F534@RBarger.com> Message-ID: Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > Tony Meyer wrote: >> Perhaps you could use the Review page to scan through the unsures, >> and >> see what the scores are like? (To do this, you have to enable two >> advanced options via the web interface - one to add the "Score" >> header, and one to show the "Score" column in the review page). > > RBB: Yes! Yes! Yes! Absolutely! Thank you! > > However, I believe I found a bug: > > I had already clicked those settings several days ago, Tony, and > nothing had changed on my Review Messages screen. That is, the > "Score" header had not been added. I tried this in both Firefox and > IE, with the same results. > > After fiddling around a bit with the Advanced Configuration Interface > Options, I found that I needed to alter the very first option -- > "Headers to display in message review" -- before the Score header > would appear in the Review Messages lists. > > After quite a bit of trial and error, I find that simply putting in a > trailing space after the default headers, "Subject From ", tricked > the system into displaying the Score header on the Review Messages > page. Really. > > Now maybe I've been drinking, but, if so, I don't remember it. > I couldn't get the Score header to display until I made a change in > the "Headers to display in message review" window. That's rather odd. I'm running with "Headers to display" set to "Subject From" with no space after From and with the "Display score in message review" option set to Yes, and I get the Score column just fine. Can you reproduce this reliably? For example, does the Score column stop showing up as soon as you delete the extra space at the end and then reappear every time you add it? Also, check and make sure that there actually is a space after From. I just tried appending the trailing space and saving the configuration, and when I went back to the Advanced Configuration page the extra space had been automatically removed. -- Kenny Pitt From Rich at RBarger.com Mon Jul 19 22:35:03 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Mon Jul 19 22:35:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on Training Disparity Issues References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <40FC3077.D2D0BF@RBarger.com> Tony Meyer wrote: > > I occasionally load the Review messages page -- it works > > fine with this version of ZoneAlarm -- but it already shows > > mostly spam. > > There are some options to try and help with this. You can set the default > action for the various categories (defaulting to "discard" for spam, for > example) RBB: Already had done that ... > , and you can have different actions for ham below a threshold and spam above > a threshold ("train as spam" for all spam below 0.7 and "discard" for all spam > above 0.7, for example). RBB: If I understand correctly, that doesn't work in POP3 unless I train on everything. The Review Messages page still shows all the messages, it just doesn't train on some of them, Right? Or does this "discard" feature apply to somewhere else in the program? > You can set the number of messages of each type (ham, spam, unsure) to > display per page (this defaults to something like 100,000, so in all > likelihood all messages for that day). RBB: I don't know where to do this in the POP3 Web interface. > > In today's listing of untrained messages (for me, Sunday -- > > here -- isn't a "typical" day; most days, I get more hams and > > unsures), the Review Messages page has 34 messages classified > > as unsure, 15 hams, and nearly 1200 classified as > > spam. > > For example, here you could set the rows per category to something like 50, > and not see most of the spam (without clicking to the next page). RBB: Yesbut ... > > I have to click on some of the messages and look at the View > > Message screen. No problem, of course, except that it's extra > > steps -- remember the volume of mail that I'm dealing with > > -- that I don't have to take if, instead, I'm looking at > > the hard copy of the actual message in my inbox and can see > > everything at a glance. > > > > A better alternative, but one that's not quite ready yet, would be the pop3dnd > script (it's in the source archive, but really needs a bit more work and a lot > more testing before it's ready for prime time and a binary release). This > lets you do drag-and-drop training in your regular mailer (without actually > integrating into the mailer, so it's still unimportant which one you use). > Not much use now, but some day... RBB: I'll look forward to it. > > > Yes, that's correct. > > > 2 - There's no way to sort POP3 messages by ascending/descending > > order of spam score using the Web Interface, is there? I believe > > I've noticed some conversation about this capability in Outlook, > > but I can't figure out any way to do it with the Web Interface. > > There is, with some catches. To do this you turn on the advanced option to > add the "score" header to messages (in the "Headers" section on the Advanced > Configuration page), and the advanced option to show the "score" column in the > review page (in the "Interface Options" section on the Advanced Configuration > page). RBB: I mentioned a glitch in this functionality in a previous message; once I worked around the glitch, it works fine. > The main catch is that there's a bug in all the current releases which means > that the scores are sorted as strings, which means it goes something like "1, > 10, 11, 12, ..., 2, 20, ...". I fixed this a few days ago, but the change > won't make it out into a released version for a while. Apart from that, it > should mostly work. RBB: Works fine, thank you, although the explanation helps. > > 3 - I'm not sure which folders are which. I may have missed > > this in the help files and FAQs, but it would be helpful to > > have a list of file names and functions and the typical > > folders in which they reside -- a sort of "typical" > > SpamBayes hierarchy. It might be necessary to do different > > versions for the different flavors of SpamBayes, but you'll > > know where and what and how. > > I'll try and remember to add this to the appropriate documentation. It seems > like a sensible addition - thanks! RBB: So cool. You're welcome, of course. (I also corrected one little item on a Sourceforge post, which you directed me to in another message.) > > This list is exceptionally helpful > > We try - note that there are periods when all the regular people doing the > answering get quite busy at the same time, and so replies are slow to come. > They do come eventually, though. (And this is not one of those times). The > difference in time zones (e.g. I'm in NZ; I think Adam is in the US) can also > mean that responses are delayed sometimes. RBB: You -- and your colleagues -- do a marvelous job. Thank you again. Rich Barger =Tony Meyer From Rich at RBarger.com Mon Jul 19 23:58:47 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Mon Jul 19 23:59:07 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Training Disparity Issues References: Message-ID: <40FC4417.66525E94@RBarger.com> Kenny, I can partially reproduce the problem. However, I believe I incorrectly described what I was observing. Let me tell you what I think happened -- and then what leaves me, like a SpamBayes email analysis, "unsure." It appears that to "set" a change in the Advanced Configuration page, you have to exit SpamBayes and start it up again. I can reproduce the problem every time if I start out with the installation defaults, change the two settings, then merely save the configuration by pressing the button at the bottom of the screen and go looking for the Score header without first recycling SpamBayes. I usually am meticulous about re-starts and even re-booting my computer when I'm making changes to a program I'm not familiar with. But, in this case, I rather thought that "saving" the configuration implemented it. I also thought I had unloaded and reloaded SpamBayes when I made the Advanced Configuration changes, a couple of days ago. But maybe I hadn't. At any rate, now I can turn the "Display score in message review" column off and on at will, and it works perfectly every time, so long as I exit SpamBayes and start it up again. If that is the source of the problem, then it is merely coincidence that I must have first shut off and re-started SpamBayes after frustratedly trying a change to the "Headers to display in message review" box, which change, in reality, had nothing to do with what I experienced. And yes, confirming your observation, the extra space in that text box disappears after a configuration save. I even tried uninstalling and reinstalling my POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc2, just in case there was something about the install process that caused the problem. But everything worked perfectly, with no failure-to-display glitch. What makes me unsure is this: I cannot imagine going several days without shutting down SpamBayes and the computer and restarting them. I often leave my computer on for long periods, but I've been fiddling with SpamBayes, and surely I must have exited and restarted it several times; if not, it is the oddest coincidence. And I had set "Add probability (score) header" and "Display score in message review" to Yes several days ago and left them that way. But I apologize for giving an incorrect description; I recognize how difficult it is to troubleshoot even correctly stated problems. There's no need in my further complexifying things by providing the wrong information. Thanks for your help. Rich Barger Kansas City --- Kenny Pitt wrote: > Richard B Barger ABC APR wrote: > > I believe I found a bug: > > > > I had already clicked those settings several days ago, Tony, and > > nothing had changed on my Review Messages screen. That is, the > > "Score" header had not been added. I tried this in both Firefox and > > IE, with the same results. > > > > After fiddling around a bit with the Advanced Configuration Interface > > Options, I found that I needed to alter the very first option -- > > "Headers to display in message review" -- before the Score header > > would appear in the Review Messages lists. > > > > After quite a bit of trial and error, I find that simply putting in a > > trailing space after the default headers, "Subject From ", tricked > > the system into displaying the Score header on the Review Messages > > page. Really. > > > > Now maybe I've been drinking, but, if so, I don't remember it. > > I couldn't get the Score header to display until I made a change in > > the "Headers to display in message review" window. > > That's rather odd. I'm running with "Headers to display" set to "Subject > From" with no space after From and with the "Display score in message > review" option set to Yes, and I get the Score column just fine. > > Can you reproduce this reliably? For example, does the Score column stop > showing up as soon as you delete the extra space at the end and then > reappear every time you add it? Also, check and make sure that there > actually is a space after From. I just tried appending the trailing space > and saving the configuration, and when I went back to the Advanced > Configuration page the extra space had been automatically removed. > > -- > Kenny Pitt From Christopher.Woo at pepperdine.edu Tue Jul 20 01:13:33 2004 From: Christopher.Woo at pepperdine.edu (Woo, Christopher) Date: Tue Jul 20 01:13:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Questions about IMAPFilter Message-ID: Hello everyone! I have the latest release of SpamBayes IMAP Filter running successfully on Windows XP. When I call it up from the command line, it works like a charm and I have already successfully trained it with several hundred emails. Here is my situation: I'd like to be able to run sb_imapfilter.py as a service or a cron job when the Administrator is logged out. Has anyone been able to do this with any of the various W32 cron tools, or with something like FireDaemon? I've tried Pycron, which has no problem executing the sb_imapfilter.py script, but it looks like when it is run via Pycron, it's not selecting the correct profile, and therefore does not work. Is this something that can be defined from the command line, or hard-coded into the script? It's important to note that this machine is a remote server, and usually only logged into via RDP. I'd prefer to not leave the Administrator account logged in constantly, mainly because it takes up a precious login slot that may be needed by another user, otherwise I would just use the built-in -l switch and leave it running. I've also tried FireDaemon Lite, but cannot get it installed as a service, either using the script directly, or by calling it from a .bat file. FireDaemon gives me an error, and refuses to allow me to set it up as a service. Anyone else trying to do what I am trying to do? == CW From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jul 20 01:49:28 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jul 20 01:49:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Should SpamBayes block spam? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307257D09@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > It identifies Spam and Ham properly, but I still receive > identified Spam in my Inbox. Is SpamBayes supposed to block > Spam at some point or simply identify it? Identify it. Then you do what you want with it (for example, set up a rule with Outlook Express to automatically move all spam messages to a "spam" folder and all unsure messages to an "unsure" folder). That way you have the messages if you end up getting a false positive (a message incorrectly identified as spam). Since SpamBayes is client-side, it has to download the mail to classify it, so there really isn't any benefit to not delivering it (and this would be difficult to do with a proxy based solution, in any case). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jul 20 01:56:10 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jul 20 01:57:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] ? about download In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307257D00@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678175@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [David J. Weaver] > Trying to download the exe file of SpamBayes 1.0 > final and says it can't be found. Any help? [Michael Kairys] > The Windows installation file spambayes-1.0.exe is not > actually in the sourceforge download directory > pub/sourceforge/s/sp/spambayes... [Bean Aaron A.] > The link to the Win version of SpamBayes is not working. > Not sure if this is a temporary issue, but wanted to bring > it your attention. I am interested in downloading the > latest and greatest version. > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.exe?download [Tatum, Richard] > At URL > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.exe?downl > oad > > Got this error: > > Could not read file. > Go back. > /home/ftp/pub/sourceforge//s/sp/spambayes/spambayes-1.0.exe > Jul 19, 2004 09:58 Apologies to you all. This was a case of the website being updated slightly too early. The 1.0 (binary) release is not quite ready yet, but should be any day now. I've moved the website back to where it should be, and will update it again when the new release is completely finished. Note that the spambayes-announce mail list will carry an announcement email when the new release is made, and the "check for new version" functions on both the Outlook plug-in and the tray application will indicate that there is a new version available. FWIW, the 1.0 release will have no changes from the 1.0rc2 one anyway. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jul 20 02:28:40 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jul 20 02:28:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Questions about IMAPFilter In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307257E6B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02F5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Here is my situation: I'd like to be able to run > sb_imapfilter.py as a service or a cron job when the > Administrator is logged out. Has anyone been able to do this > with any of the various W32 cron tools, or with something > like FireDaemon? How familiar are you with Python? In the windows directory of the source archive there's a script called "pop3proxy_service.py" which basically turns the sb_server.py script into a Windows service. It shouldn't be too difficult to write an imapfilter_service.py script that does the same thing for sb_imapfilter.py, based on that example. (If you do do this, then contributing the code back would be fantastic!). > I've tried Pycron, which has no problem executing the > sb_imapfilter.py script, but it looks like when it is run via > Pycron, it's not selecting the correct profile, and therefore > does not work. Is this something that can be defined from the > command line, or hard-coded into the script? I don't know what Pycron allows (if it is an actual service, then you can choose which account it uses). However, I presume that all you care about is that it can find the configuration file & databases. The locations of the databases can be changed (via the web interface or just manually in the configuration file) to whatever you like. If you give a relative path then it's taken relative to the configuration file; if you give an absolute path, then it's just that. To find the configuration file, SpamBayes looks for an environment variable BAYESCUSTOMIZE holding the full path to the file, then in the current working directory (maybe Pycron can set this?), then, on Windows, in the {Application Data}\SpamBayes\Proxy directory. The easiest solution would be to set the environment variable. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jul 20 02:31:05 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jul 20 02:31:16 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307257D1B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678178@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > > The Spambayes Wizard never started up. Spambayes > > does not appear anywhere in Outlook. > The log only says: > > Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin > Registration complete. > > Using Win XP Is SpamBayes listed in Outlook's (what version are you using?) disabled items list? Help->About Microsoft Outlook->Disabled Items. Is SpamBayes listed in the COM addins list? Tools->Options->Other->Advanced Options->COM Add-ins. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jul 20 02:35:13 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jul 20 02:35:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes update In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307257D29@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678179@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Having got no reply to this e-mail, The message doesn't appear to have made it to the list (I didn't see it, and it's not in the archives). Did you get a bounce message back, perhaps? In any case, you can't update without downloading the new version, so you've done the correct thing. > I downloaded & installed > "spambayes-1.0rc2_2.exe" afresh, but am not sure if the NEWER > version is actually active in MS Outlook.How can I confirm it? The version number is in the SpamBayes Manager dialog, at the top. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040720/2b3c7fae/attachment.htm From go7456 at sbc.com Tue Jul 20 16:02:51 2004 From: go7456 at sbc.com (OSBORNE, KEITH (AIT)) Date: Tue Jul 20 16:03:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Should SpamBayes block spam? Message-ID: <936BC4F0FA56014E8B52020240B3D578D1E461@ilnort1msgusr07.itservices.sbc.com> The messages that appear in my Outlook Express inbox do not seem to have any type of spam, ham or unsure marking. How can I create a rule to move to a folder without that marking? Should it show up in the inbox with some sort of classification since the Outlook Express client is pulling it from the SpamBayes host? Thanks, Keith. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:49 PM To: OSBORNE, KEITH (AIT); spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Should SpamBayes block spam? > It identifies Spam and Ham properly, but I still receive > identified Spam in my Inbox. Is SpamBayes supposed to block > Spam at some point or simply identify it? Identify it. Then you do what you want with it (for example, set up a rule with Outlook Express to automatically move all spam messages to a "spam" folder and all unsure messages to an "unsure" folder). That way you have the messages if you end up getting a false positive (a message incorrectly identified as spam). Since SpamBayes is client-side, it has to download the mail to classify it, so there really isn't any benefit to not delivering it (and this would be difficult to do with a proxy based solution, in any case). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From administrator at moodys.com Tue Jul 20 17:09:03 2004 From: administrator at moodys.com (administrator@moodys.com) Date: Tue Jul 20 17:09:06 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] RE:Mail Delivery (failure batesl@moodys.com) Message-ID: <200407201512.i6KFCsU346810@bandonp.moodys.com> Your message to batesl@mdynycmsxswp.moodys.com regarding Mail Delivery (failure batesl@moodys.com) could not be delivered because the message contains a virus or contains text indicating it may contain a virus. Please install or update the anti-virus software on your system before sending any more messages. Thank You, Moody's Messaging Group From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com Tue Jul 20 17:21:05 2004 From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Tue Jul 20 17:21:08 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to CircumventBayesianFilter' In-Reply-To: <40FC20F2.3D24428@RBarger.com> Message-ID: > From: Richard B Barger ABC APR > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:29 PM > > > > Thank you, Kenny, for taking my flight of fancy seriously. > That's another good > explanation. > > Demonstrating how little I know, I want to take one more stab at this. > > I postulate that a long, flowing narrative will have lots of > neutral words, but, > over a large enough user base -- and that is the key -- will > have more of what > the mass of users considers ham-tending words than > spam-tending words (even > though, in the case of particular users, the opposite > doubtless would be the > case). > > I'm speculating that, over the course of a large quantity of > spam and a large > quantity of ham, fewer tokens show up as spam in most user's > evenly trained > databases than show up as ham. Put another way, even > allowing for differences > in user preference and experience, I'm guessing that the > dictionary of spam > tokens is smaller than the dictionary of ham tokens. > > Actually, that somewhat smaller "dictionary" probably works > both ways, but I > still theorize that the larger number of likely ham words > over the universe of > users will result in longer narratives being somewhat more > likely to be judged > ham. > > I completely agree about the random gibberish. > > Thank you again. Though I'm far from the expert that Kenny is on this, I'd like to throw in my two cents on your hypothesis. It is probably true that properly selected hammy words could be used to lower the spam score of a message over a large population of users. Therein lies the weakness in this method of attack. The attacker does not have access to the training sets of the large population of users (s)he wishes to reach. Spammers certainly can run Spambayes and test their messages against their own training sets, but this would not be very helpful. They could enlist a number of their buddies and test the candidate messages against a number of training sets, however, even these would probably not be representative of their target population, IMHO. Since Spambayes is a post-acceptance content filtering tool that gives no feedback to the spammer, they have no direct way to gain the information they need. About the only way an attacker can test a given candidate message designed to lower their spam score with Spambayes is to do a trial spam run and evaluate their response. Whatever change they see would have to be larger than the normal statistical variation in response rate. Even with this information, they have no way of knowing how much of the difference is due to lowering their scores in Spambayes, as there are a plethora of tools used by ISP's and end-users. Most of those tools allow customization of the rule sets, and they have no way of knowing how many users at a given provider use what tools, or what custom rules the provider has put in place for global filtering. I think this puts an attacker at an extreme disadvantage, forcing them to test candidate messages one spam run at a time. The diversity of post-acceptance content-filtering methods is one of our strongest advantages. What works as a strategy with one particular tool does not necessarily work on another. Since Spambayes is effectively a content filter where every user has their own custom rule set, it is among the hardest to beat. Without going to the trouble and expense of recruiting and paying large groups of supposedly typical users to form a test population, they can't gain much insight into Spambayes rejections. My guess is that most of their target population would not participate in such "focus group" studies, so they would have great difficulty putting together a "focus group" that is truly representative. In general, it is very, very hard to bring down any distributed system that has decentralized administration, and that's what we are dealing with here. It's always useful to remember the old "bear run" analogy, which is applicable to many computer security issues. Two people are being chased by a bear. The first person cries, "We are finished. We can't possibly outrun the bear." :( The second person says, "It's really not as bad as it seems. Neither of us can run faster than the bear, but I can run faster than you." :) Spambayes is probably the hardest target out there. Spammers, in their own interest, are probably forced to concentrate on easier targets. -- Seth Goodman From Christopher.Woo at pepperdine.edu Tue Jul 20 17:55:52 2004 From: Christopher.Woo at pepperdine.edu (Woo, Christopher) Date: Tue Jul 20 17:56:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Questions about IMAPFilter Message-ID: > > Here is my situation: I'd like to be able to run > > sb_imapfilter.py as a service or a cron job when the > > Administrator is logged out. Has anyone been able to do this > > with any of the various W32 cron tools, or with something > > like FireDaemon? > > How familiar are you with Python? In the windows directory > of the source > archive there's a script called "pop3proxy_service.py" which > basically turns > the sb_server.py script into a Windows service. It shouldn't be too > difficult to write an imapfilter_service.py script that does > the same thing > for sb_imapfilter.py, based on that example. (If you do do this, then > contributing the code back would be fantastic!). Yikes! Well beyond my capabilities! Though this would be very useful to me if someone else took up the challenge... > > I've tried Pycron, which has no problem executing the > > sb_imapfilter.py script, but it looks like when it is run via > > Pycron, it's not selecting the correct profile, and therefore > > does not work. Is this something that can be defined from the > > command line, or hard-coded into the script? > > I don't know what Pycron allows (if it is an actual service, > then you can > choose which account it uses). However, I presume that all > you care about > is that it can find the configuration file & databases. The > locations of > the databases can be changed (via the web interface or just > manually in the > configuration file) to whatever you like. If you give a > relative path then > it's taken relative to the configuration file; if you give an > absolute path, > then it's just that. To find the configuration file, > SpamBayes looks for an > environment variable BAYESCUSTOMIZE holding the full path to > the file, then > in the current working directory (maybe Pycron can set > this?), then, on > Windows, in the {Application Data}\SpamBayes\Proxy directory. > The easiest > solution would be to set the environment variable. > > =Tony Meyer Actually, what it turned out to be was that Pycron was executing the script from its own directory, instead of the \spambayes\scripts directory, so the sb_imapfilter.py script was unable to find the rest of the needed scripts in \spambayes\spambayes. I solved this by creating a .bat file that included the full path to the imapfilter script, and that worked like a charm! Thanks for your quick reply, Tony! It helped jog loose the couple extra neurons I needed to solve this. ;) CW From Rich at RBarger.com Tue Jul 20 18:14:27 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Tue Jul 20 18:14:41 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to Circumvent Bayesian Filter' References: Message-ID: <40FD44E3.FFA2D59B@RBarger.com> What a terrific analysis, Seth -- highly informative, laced with good humor. Thank you. I learned a bucketful from your response; I particularly like the description of SpamBayes as "a post-acceptance content filtering tool" and the image of spammers conducting focus groups. Nicely put. If I were a spammer, I wouldn't bother to do the type of testing that logical business types would use to defeat SpamBayes or other anti-spam methodologies, although you've provided a pretty good business case. I'd just operate on the principle that, if I do enough stuff "right" and rely on the law of large numbers, I'll get my share of suckers. And it doesn't take many responses to make these spamming nitwits' (actually, I have another name for them) efforts successful. I still speculate that, over a large enough number of users, the longer the "normal-seeming" narrative, the more hammy the message appears to their individual SpamBayes tokenizers. In an entire standard dictionary, there are: - far, far more words that no one uses than that most people use; these would be discounted by SpamBayes - far more words that are generally considered ham (across a large number of people) than that are considered spam (by SpamBayes training) To me, that means that a couple of relatively long (How long? I have no idea!) neutral-seeming narrative passages would be likely to raise ham content scores somewhat, because the longer they are, the more likely they are to contain more ham-appearing words. Would this be enough to overcome SpamBayes? Of course not, in most cases. And if a user is sufficiently interested in avoiding spam to use this excellent product, he's certainly not going to be tricked by a spam message that makes it into his unsure -- or even his ham -- folder. So I'm not talking, in particular, about outcomes for the spammer. I'm just interested in the theory behind SpamBayes' handling of larger coherent narratives, which in my sample of 34,678 messages now represent the second-most-frequent type of file that hits my Unsure folder. I, too, recognize them when I see them. I'm just trying to figure out how to make SpamBayes equally sensitive. This has been an education, Seth. Thanks to you and the other gurus who have given thought and excellent answers to my questions. Cheers! Rich Barger Kansas City --- Seth Goodman wrote: [Note: RBB talked about long narratives, ham-tending words, and spam-tending words.] > Though I'm far from the expert that Kenny is on this, I'd like to throw in > my two cents on your hypothesis. It is probably true that properly > selected hammy words could be used to lower the spam score of a message > over a large population of users. Therein lies the weakness in this > method of attack. The attacker does not have access to the training sets > of the large population of users (s)he wishes to reach. Spammers > certainly can run Spambayes and test their messages against their own > training sets, but this would not be very helpful. They could enlist a > number of their buddies and test the candidate messages against a number > of training sets, however, even these would probably not be representative > of their target population, IMHO. > > Since Spambayes is a post-acceptance content filtering tool that gives no > feedback to the spammer, they have no direct way to gain the information > they need. About the only way an attacker can test a given candidate > message designed to lower their spam score with Spambayes is to do a trial > spam run and evaluate their response. Whatever change they see would have > to be larger than the normal statistical variation in response rate. Even > with this information, they have no way of knowing how much of the > difference is due to lowering their scores in Spambayes, as there are a > plethora of tools used by ISP's and end-users. Most of those tools allow > customization of the rule sets, and they have no way of knowing how many > users at a given provider use what tools, or what custom rules the > provider has put in place for global filtering. I think this puts an > attacker at an extreme disadvantage, forcing them to test candidate > messages one spam run at a time. > > The diversity of post-acceptance content-filtering methods is one of our > strongest advantages. What works as a strategy with one particular tool > does not necessarily work on another. Since Spambayes is effectively a > content filter where every user has their own custom rule set, it is among > the hardest to beat. Without going to the trouble and expense of > recruiting and paying large groups of supposedly typical users to form a > test population, they can't gain much insight into Spambayes rejections. > My guess is that most of their target population would not participate in > such "focus group" studies, so they would have great difficulty putting > together a "focus group" that is truly representative. In general, it is > very, very hard to bring down any distributed system that has > decentralized administration, and that's what we are dealing with here. > > It's always useful to remember the old "bear run" analogy, which is > applicable to many computer security issues. Two people are being chased > by a bear. The first person cries, "We are finished. We can't possibly > outrun the bear." :( The second person says, "It's really not as bad as > it seems. Neither of us can run faster than the bear, but I can run > faster than you." :) Spambayes is probably the hardest target out there. > Spammers, in their own interest, are probably forced to concentrate on > easier targets. > > -- > > Seth Goodman From Lang at 4thpass.com Tue Jul 20 20:05:37 2004 From: Lang at 4thpass.com (Lang Hoang) Date: Tue Jul 20 20:05:35 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] link for download SpamBayes Final Version 1.0 is missing Message-ID: Hi, I found the link on the web for downloading the installation program for outlook is missing. I can't find the spambayes-1.0.exe anywhere on sourceforge.net. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html Thanks, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130725801C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678184@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > The messages that appear in my Outlook Express inbox do not > seem to have any type of spam, ham or unsure marking. How can > I create a rule to move to a folder without that marking? > Should it show up in the inbox with some sort of > classification since the Outlook Express client is pulling it > from the SpamBayes host? SpamBayes tags the messages as ham/spam/unsure as they go through the proxy. By default, this is just done with a "X-Spambayes-Classification" header, which works for most mail clients. However, since Outlook Express is a stripped down mail client (Microsoft really want you to fork out the money for Outlook, so don't bother making Outlook Express any good), it can't work with arbitrary headers. As such, you need to tell SpamBayes to add the classification to either the To or Subject header. The options to do this are on the configuration page. You can then create an Outlook Express rule based on that. You might want to read FAQ 2.1: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jul 21 00:23:41 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jul 21 00:23:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Linux interface not user friendly In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307258122@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02FA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'll start donating money when you guys make the > linux interface as easy to use as the windows interface. A few points: 1. None of us (AFAIK) care whether anyone donates money or not (there wasn't even the ability to do so until people asked for it). 2. If you're willing to donate something, then donating time to improve parts of the project - say this part - would be much more useful than money. 3. The Linux interface should be identical to the Windows interface. I presume what you actually mean is "when there's a plug-in for my mail client that works like the Outlook plug-in". =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jul 21 00:26:41 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jul 21 00:26:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes newest version download link not working In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307257FD0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02FB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Lang Hoang] > I found the link on the web for downloading the > installation program for outlook is missing. I > can't find the spambayes-1.0.exe anywhere on sourceforge.net. > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html [Steven Stein] > I am looking to download the latest version of spambayes. > When I click on the link to download the latest installation > for Windows, version 1.0, it takes me to a page that reads: > Could not read file. Apologies to you both. This was a case of the website being updated slightly too early. The 1.0 (binary) release is not quite ready yet, but should be any day now. I've moved the website back to where it should be*, and will update it again when the new release is completely finished. Note that the spambayes-announce mail list will carry an announcement email when the new release is made, and the "check for new version" functions on both the Outlook plug-in and the tray application will indicate that there is a new version available. FWIW, the 1.0 release will have no changes from the 1.0rc2 one anyway. =Tony Meyer * I said this yesterday, but missed a page, which is why the front said "1.0rc2" and the windows page said "1.0". --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Rich at RBarger.com Wed Jul 21 00:46:27 2004 From: Rich at RBarger.com (Richard B Barger ABC APR) Date: Wed Jul 21 00:46:45 2004 Subject: unsure,[Spambayes] Linux interface not user friendly References: <000001c46ea6$cf59eca0$7500a8c0@panther> Message-ID: <40FDA0C3.B4C066F0@RBarger.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040720/f7344fe4/attachment.htm From smiller at nwtf.net Wed Jul 21 00:55:09 2004 From: smiller at nwtf.net (Sandy Miller) Date: Wed Jul 21 00:50:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Questions concerning spambayes. Message-ID: <002a01c46eac$9c6f8100$0301a8c0@nwtf> First, I am wanting to install spambayes on outlook 98. I am aware that I cannot use the plugin. However I am trying to set it from source. I am having problems with it. I am not sure that I have downloaded everything that I need or if I have downloaded too much. We use pop3. Secondly we have some MAC operating systems that we would like to install this on also. Pop 3 is used on these computers. The program that they run is Entourage by Microsoft. Any suggestions on that. Thanks, Sandy Miller AS400 Manager National Wild Turkey Federation 770 Augusta Road P. O. Box 530 Edgefield, SC 29824 803-637-3106 ext. 3053 smiller@nwtf.net From erika_stevenson at eli.net Wed Jul 21 01:54:17 2004 From: erika_stevenson at eli.net (Stevenson, Erika) Date: Wed Jul 21 01:55:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Fails to finish configuration Message-ID: <489B48BEDADEE345BEFC0559BC94FFCC721DE2@wava00s2ke2k01.corp.pvt> I have tried configuring Spambayes on a friends computer several times over the course of the day. It doesn't matter if I choose manual or automatic configuration, although I did notice when I attempted manual configuration and tried to select the correct inbox to filter, it was not an option. The picture below indicates the error message. <<...OLE_Obj...>> Please let me know if this is something you can help me with. Thanks, Erika Stevenson Major Projects Technician DD: 360-816-5380 TF: 877-877-4620 opt 7 email: estevens@eli.net "The great thing about getting older is that you don't lose all the other ages you've been." -Madeleine L'Engle From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com Wed Jul 21 03:45:57 2004 From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Wed Jul 21 03:46:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to Circumvent BayesianFilter' In-Reply-To: <40FD44E3.FFA2D59B@RBarger.com> Message-ID: > From: Richard B Barger ABC APR > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:14 AM > > > Thanks for the effusive praise. While I'm far from a guru on this subject, it is fun to play with the concepts. I'm glad you are interested in knowing more about how it actually works. The more fresh eyes that look at this, the better off we all are. <...> > I still speculate that, over a large enough number of users, > the longer the "normal-seeming" narrative, the more hammy the > message appears to their individual SpamBayes tokenizers. > > In an entire standard dictionary, there are: > > - far, far more words that no one uses than that most people > use; these would be discounted by SpamBayes Strongly agree. Most people's daily vocabulary is a tiny subset of our language. I can only assume that it is the same for speakers of other languages. However, it is worth noting that different individuals have different vocabulary subsets. Some people use words and phrases that others never use, and sometimes force them to consult a dictionary to expand their own vocabulary! > > - far more words that are generally considered ham (across a > large number of people) than that are considered spam (by SpamBayes > training) This is still the part that I am not entirely comfortable with. Here I'm straying away from my own area of knowledge and perhaps entering yours, so I am definitely on shaky ground here, but let me take a shot at it. This hypothesis sounds reasonable for an individual user. If so, the converse of it is that the spammy words would _much_ spammier. I argue this based on word frequency, even though Spambayes only counts a given word once in a message, even it appears multiple times. If there were more hammy words than spammy words in a given recipient's incoming message stream, and the recipient used a training regimen that resulted in a database that represented the most significant hammy and spammy words for them, the spammier words would have to be "stronger" clues than the hammy ones in order to achieve correct classification of the messages. This is somewhat mitigated by the mathematical chicanery inside Spambayes, which is a bit biased toward ham, since false positives are more harmful than false negatives. However, I think that in general, the idea that fewer spammy words would result in their being "stronger" clues is probably true. This suggests that long narratives may contain more hammy words, but the spammy ones would approximately balance them out in the overall score. My counter-hypothesis is that if you tested "narratives" constructed from words chosen at random from the dictionary (what has been called "word salad" on this list - that's a lovely image, isn't it?), when evaluated against a large group of users' databases, you would get an approximately neutral score. Some databases would score it as ham, some would score it as spam, but my _guess_ is that the largest group would classify it as unsure. I'm not disputing that there is probably a subset of the hammy words in the ensemble of databases of the Spambayes user community that has higher than 50% incidence. What I'm questioning is how one would go about guessing what those words might be. You would need access to the individual databases. Alternatively, you would need access to the individual incoming mail streams, plus any rules that excluded certain messages from evaluation by Spambayes. Most importantly, I don't believe, though I can't prove this, that selecting words at random from the dictionary would accomplish this. > > To me, that means that a couple of relatively long (How long? > I have no idea!) neutral-seeming narrative passages would be likely > to raise ham content scores somewhat, because the longer they are, > the more likely they are to contain more ham-appearing words. If my argument above has any merit, which is questionable, using more random words would only result in a larger probability of being classified as unsure, as the expected result, meaning the result that one would get if they included all the words in the dictionary, would be unsure. The occasional classification of "word salad" into ham or spam, IMHO, results from the sample of words being too small and thus the statistical variation (variance) of the classification is significant compared to the expected value (the mean). Another way to put this is that for those user databases that classified it as ham, the small sample of word salad represented a lucky guess. > > Would this be enough to overcome SpamBayes? Of course not, > in most cases. And if a user is sufficiently interested in > avoiding spam to use this excellent product, he's certainly > not going to be tricked by a spam message that makes it into > his unsure -- or even his ham -- folder. > > So I'm not talking, in particular, about outcomes for the > spammer. I'm just > interested in the theory behind SpamBayes' handling of larger coherent > narratives, which in my sample of 34,678 messages now represent the > second-most-frequent type of file that hits my Unsure folder. > > I, too, recognize them when I see them. I'm just trying to > figure out how to make SpamBayes equally sensitive. Train on what you consider ham and spam, keeping the number trained in each category similar, and it will learn. Remember that some header information is included as tokens, so Spambayes does tend to form a whitelist of your correspondents, if you train on their messages. Removing messages from our inbox coming from lists that have good spam filtering both reduces the load on Spambayes and reduces the vocabulary it has to train on, which has made it more effective in my environment. If there are misclassifications in your training database, this is very hard to overcome and it is sometimes better to start over. -- Seth Goodman From akonstam at trinity.edu Wed Jul 21 04:04:07 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Wed Jul 21 03:56:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Confusion about Unix or Linus documentation Message-ID: <20040721020407.GB4493@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> On the documentation page headed : Spambayes on Unix or Linux there is a description of how to use spambayes with procmail. In the .procmailrc file the spam is put in a file $HOME/Mail/spam. In the line that illustrates the training of spambayes using: sb_mboxtrain.py the file used to train spambayes is also $HOME/Mail/spam. It is confuses me that these files are the same. Is it really usefull to retrain spambayes on the files it has identified as spam or should these files have different names as I have done with spamassassin? -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From tim.peters at gmail.com Wed Jul 21 06:22:58 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Jul 21 06:23:00 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to Circumvent Bayesian Filter' In-Reply-To: <40FD44E3.FFA2D59B@RBarger.com> References: <40FD44E3.FFA2D59B@RBarger.com> Message-ID: <1f7befae04072021225e6dbe11@mail.gmail.com> [Richard B Barger] > ... > I still speculate that, over a large enough number of users, the longer the > "normal-seeming" narrative, the more hammy the message appears to their > individual SpamBayes tokenizers. I've run experiments scoring messages composed entirely of words chosen at random from an English dictionary. The score strongly tended toward 0.5 (perfectly unsure) as message length increased. At small sizes, they appeared hammy, but that turned out to be because the classifier was picking up systematically hammy header clues saying (in effect) "oh, Tim's sending email to himself again". So if someone else wants to try this, it's a good idea to comment out the line in classifier.py that calls the header tokenizer. That's not the same as testing "normal-seeming narratives", though. In order to test that, you'd have to do two things: 1. Specify an algorithm capable of producing a large number of normal-seeming narratives, or collect a large number of them from "real life". 2. Convince a large number of users it's worth their time to test it against their trained SB classifiers . For most people, I expect their SB classifier to be especially tuned to the language and devices of advertising as "spammy". I know mine is. Consequently, long, soft-sell, rambling, "just folks" spam (written as if sent by, say, a non-insane old acquaintance) has a good crack at scoring Unsure. I don't think that makes for effective email bulk *advertising*, though, and I don't see much of that (spam is cheap to send per email, but it's not free, and most spam campaigns die out quickly because they don't repay their costs). From samnicholls at appintec.com Wed Jul 21 06:27:28 2004 From: samnicholls at appintec.com (samnicholls@appintec.com) Date: Wed Jul 21 06:27:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question on "Save and shutdown" button Message-ID: <005501c46edb$087efe10$c900a8c0@dell750> COMMENT #1 -- I'm using the POP3 proxy and Outlook Express, trained on about 2800 spam emails, and another 2800 ham emails. Works best with about the same number of each, right!! SpamBayes is doing a great job identifying the spam, almost perfect in fact. COMMENT #2 -- The discipline of having to train has made me realize that, in my case at least, there is a third category of email, that which is not ham, yet it does not fall into the pure definition of spam either. Examples of this are newsletters from organizations with which I have a loose association, and advertisements from companies who have apparently purchased a legitimate (?) email list of those who are in my rather narrow vertical industry. Yet for accurate training it is obviously so important to be consistent when categorizing the "unsures", and what might be undesirable in the "ham". When an email like this does make it through to my Inbox, I'm in a quandary as to how to categorize it. After all, its not an promo for Viagra, or offering me a great deal on a mortgage, but its not an email from a colleague or friend either. But because it comes from someone with a connection to my industry, it may be a newsletter with an interesting article, or an advertisement for a product or service I might need sometime. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that I find it difficult to be consistent when categorizing emails of this type. QUESTION -- When using the web interface, on the bottom of the Review Messages page, and in fact on the bottom of most if not all pages, there is a "Save and shutdown" button. I don't understand. Does this mean that, after training, which I do several times during the day, that I need to click on this button to "save" the results of the training to the database? If no, why is the button there? If yes, why would I want to shut it down after saving? It means I would need to right click on the tray icon and start it up again. Sam Nicholls Alameda CA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040720/a9d7217a/attachment.html From tim.peters at gmail.com Wed Jul 21 06:38:05 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Jul 21 06:38:09 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Linux interface not user friendly In-Reply-To: <000001c46ea6$cf59eca0$7500a8c0@panther> References: <000001c46ea6$cf59eca0$7500a8c0@panther> Message-ID: <1f7befae04072021384f5e7505@mail.gmail.com> [Mark] > I'll start donating money when you guys make the linux interface as easy to > use as the windows interface. Capital idea! If you're comparing to the Outlook addin, first you produce an email client with a strong programming interface and talk millions of Linux folks into using it by choice. Perhaps two or three of them will volunteer their time to hook up SpamBayes to it then. That's basically the story with the Outlook addin (less than a handful of Outlook users volunteered their time to write it, and then millions get to use it). Mere money won't buy the same for other email clients -- unless you're willing to donate (likely) tens of thousands of US dollars per quirky, hard-to-interact-with client. And pay in advance . From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jul 21 06:52:19 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jul 21 06:52:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question on "Save and shutdown" button In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13072581DD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02FC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > COMMENT #2 -- The discipline of having to train > has made me realize that, in my case at least, there > is a third category of email, that which is not ham, > yet it does not fall into the pure definition of > spam either. I think most of us have mail that we're indifferent about. I would recommend simply not training on anything that you can't personally decide is something you want (i.e. ham) or something you don't (i.e. spam). Either SpamBayes will make the decision for you (because the message is similar to other ham/spam), or it'll continue ending up as unsure, which shouldn't be a problem. > QUESTION -- When using the web interface, on the > bottom of the Review Messages page, and in fact on > the bottom of most if not all pages, there is a > "Save and shutdown" button. I don't understand. > Does this mean that, after training, which I do several > times during the day, that I need to click on this > button to "save" the results of the training to the > database? Once upon a time this was the case. It isn't anymore, however - the database is saved after any changes to it. In effect, the button is really more "shutdown" now. > If no, why is the button there? History, more than anything. It was once important to nicely tell sb_server to shut down, whereas now most people probably just leave it running all the time. It will probably get renamed to "Shutdown" at some point (Windows users can do this via the tray application, if they are using it, but other users can't). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tim.peters at gmail.com Wed Jul 21 06:55:25 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Jul 21 06:55:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question on "Save and shutdown" button In-Reply-To: <005501c46edb$087efe10$c900a8c0@dell750> References: <005501c46edb$087efe10$c900a8c0@dell750> Message-ID: <1f7befae040720215536a547c4@mail.gmail.com> [samnicholls@appintec.com] ... > COMMENT #2 -- The discipline of having to train has made me realize that, in > my case at least, there is a third category of email, that which is not ham, yet it > does not fall into the pure definition of spam either. SpamBayes has no definitions of ham or spam, of course -- they're whatever you tell it is ham and spam. You can use any definitions you like. For example, I used to get a particular kind of "joke of the day" spam, hawking everything from "male enhancement" products to human growth hormone, but I liked the jokes. I trained on those as ham. SB didn't report me to the authorities -- and it didn't start believing that all ads for HGH were ham either. > Examples of this are newsletters from organizations with which I have a loose > association, and advertisements from companies who have apparently > purchased a legitimate (?) email list of those who are in my rather narrow vertical > industry. Yet for accurate training it is obviously so important to be consistent > when categorizing the "unsures", and what might be undesirable in the "ham". > When an email like this does make it through to my Inbox, I'm in a quandary as > to how to categorize it. You don't *have* to categorize it. SB should be a helpful servant, not a dictator. I get a significant amount of email in this grey area too, and I'm happy to delete it leaving it as Unsure. IOW, if I have to think twice about whether a given msg "is ham" or "is spam", then it is in fact Unsure even to me -- so be it. I've tried consistently training on such things as "ham" or "spam", but it doesn't do any good: because I change *my* mind about it from day to day (highly correlated with how busy I am on different days!), I end up training the same kinds of things into both categories, and then they end up scoring Unsure anyway. Ambiguity is a fact of life in many areas. I think email is one of them. Leaving Unsures alone, SB's idea of "unsure" has gotten quite close to my own. From rayco at raycomfg.com Wed Jul 21 13:51:08 2004 From: rayco at raycomfg.com (Dorothy Hutchison) Date: Wed Jul 21 13:47:50 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBeyes problem Message-ID: <00ac01c46f19$03abc1f0$89fda8c0@RAYCOMFG.COM> When I go to the Junk Suspects folder, the ?Recover from Spam? button no longer appears, only the ?Delete as Spam? button. I?ve tried deleting the SpamBeyes toolbar and re-installing it after restarting Outlook, but the problem persists. Is there something else I can do to bring back the ?Recover from Spam? button to my Junk Suspects folder? Dorothy Hutchison -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040721/ad2f2255/attachment.htm From mailbox at gardengrapevine.com Wed Jul 21 16:28:28 2004 From: mailbox at gardengrapevine.com (mailbox) Date: Wed Jul 21 16:28:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] This is an automated reply from The Garden Grapevine. 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Get It Now At www.doteasy.com From Symantec_AntiVirus_for_SMTP_Gateways at baycare.org Wed Jul 21 16:51:49 2004 From: Symantec_AntiVirus_for_SMTP_Gateways at baycare.org (Symantec_AntiVirus_for_SMTP_Gateways@baycare.org) Date: Wed Jul 21 16:48:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Policy Violation Message-ID: <20040721144824.2D22E1E4002@bag.python.org> The following message sent by this account has violated system policy: From: spambayes@python.org To: marty.matula@baycare.org Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:51:05 -0400 Subject: The following violations were detected: --- Scan information follows --- Virus Name: W32.Netsky.P@mm File Attachment: important.zip Attachment Status: deleted From skip at pobox.com Wed Jul 21 19:44:38 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Jul 21 19:44:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Confusion about Unix or Linus documentation In-Reply-To: <20040721020407.GB4493@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> References: <20040721020407.GB4493@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> Message-ID: <16638.43910.128066.866919@montanaro.dyndns.org> Aaron> In the .procmailrc file the spam is put in a file Aaron> $HOME/Mail/spam. In the line that illustrates the training of Aaron> spambayes using: sb_mboxtrain.py the file used to train spambayes Aaron> is also $HOME/Mail/spam. It is confuses me that these files are Aaron> the same. Is it really usefull to retrain spambayes on the files Aaron> it has identified as spam or should these files have different Aaron> names as I have done with spamassassin? sb_mboxtrain.py tags messages it's already trained on so when it revisits $HOME/Mail/spam at a later time it will only train on messages that have been added since the last run. You can run it with the -f flag to force it to retrain on all messages. Note however that you need to lock access to your file since both procmail and sb_mboxtrain.py will want to write to it. Skip From jimwhite at surfbest.net Wed Jul 21 19:49:58 2004 From: jimwhite at surfbest.net (Jim White) Date: Wed Jul 21 19:49:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How to make SpamBayes authenticate for proxy Message-ID: I just upgraded to 1.0rc2 and I have the same problem with it as I did with 0.8: "Check for new version" fails because it doesn't authenticate with my proxy server. Can I fix this? The relevant part of the log is below, ITH. Thanks! Jim White Error checking the latest version Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 543, in CheckLatestVersion File "spambayes\Version.pyc", line 148, in fetch_latest_dict File "urllib2.pyc", line 129, in urlopen File "urllib2.pyc", line 326, in open File "urllib2.pyc", line 306, in _call_chain File "urllib2.pyc", line 901, in http_open File "urllib2.pyc", line 895, in do_open File "urllib2.pyc", line 352, in error File "urllib2.pyc", line 306, in _call_chain File "urllib2.pyc", line 412, in http_error_default HTTPError: HTTP Error 407: Proxy Authentication Required ERROR: 'There was an error checking for the latest version\r\nFor specific details on the error, please see the SpamBayes log\r\n\r\nPlease check your internet connection, or try again later' Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 543, in CheckLatestVersion File "spambayes\Version.pyc", line 148, in fetch_latest_dict File "urllib2.pyc", line 129, in urlopen File "urllib2.pyc", line 326, in open File "urllib2.pyc", line 306, in _call_chain File "urllib2.pyc", line 901, in http_open File "urllib2.pyc", line 895, in do_open File "urllib2.pyc", line 352, in error File "urllib2.pyc", line 306, in _call_chain File "urllib2.pyc", line 412, in http_error_default HTTPError: HTTP Error 407: Proxy Authentication Required Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_RECOVER_RS Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_RECOVER_RS Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_RECOVER_RS Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_RECOVER_RS Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_RECOVER_RS Cancelling wizard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040721/f1efdbd8/attachment.htm From perry at stsci.edu Wed Jul 21 23:12:15 2004 From: perry at stsci.edu (Perry Greenfield) Date: Wed Jul 21 23:12:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with imap filter on mac os x: memory error Message-ID: I have been happily using the outlook plugin for spambayes on a win2000 machine. But I have just gotten a new Mac OS x machine and I was looking to migrate my spam filtering to that computer. I've managed to train the imap filter (apparently anyway, it reports the correct statistics on the training folders). But when I try to run it as a filter, even by making the inbox much smaller (just a few hundred messages), I keep getting a memory allocation error. Any ideas on what is going wrong? No other mail programs are running at the time. It's a Mac G5 running OS X 10.3 % python sb_imapfilter.py -t -c -l 5 -P SpamBayes IMAP Filter Version 0.4 (May 2004) and engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004). Password: *** malloc: vm_allocate(size=4890624) failed (error code=3) *** malloc[4452]: error: Can't allocate region Traceback (most recent call last): File "sb_imapfilter.py", line 928, in ? run() File "sb_imapfilter.py", line 918, in run imap_filter.Filter() File "sb_imapfilter.py", line 789, in Filter self.unsure_folder) File "sb_imapfilter.py", line 703, in Filter for msg in self: File "sb_imapfilter.py", line 594, in __iter__ yield self[key] File "sb_imapfilter.py", line 642, in __getitem__ msg.get_substance() File "sb_imapfilter.py", line 384, in get_substance response = imap.uid("FETCH", self.uid, self.rfc822_command) File "/sw/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 697, in uid typ, dat = self._simple_command(name, command, *args) File "/sw/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 1000, in _simple_command return self._command_complete(name, self._command(name, *args)) File "/sw/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 830, in _command_complete typ, data = self._get_tagged_response(tag) File "/sw/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 931, in _get_tagged_response self._get_response() File "/sw/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 893, in _get_response data = self.read(size) File "/sw/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 231, in read return self.file.read(size) File "/sw/lib/python2.3/socket.py", line 301, in read data = self._sock.recv(recv_size) MemoryError % From akonstam at trinity.edu Wed Jul 21 23:51:12 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Wed Jul 21 23:45:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Confusion about Unix or Linus documentation In-Reply-To: <16638.43910.128066.866919@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <20040721020407.GB4493@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> <16638.43910.128066.866919@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20040721215112.GA11138@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 12:44:38PM -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote: > > Aaron> In the .procmailrc file the spam is put in a file > Aaron> $HOME/Mail/spam. In the line that illustrates the training of > Aaron> spambayes using: sb_mboxtrain.py the file used to train spambayes > Aaron> is also $HOME/Mail/spam. It is confuses me that these files are > Aaron> the same. Is it really usefull to retrain spambayes on the files > Aaron> it has identified as spam or should these files have different > Aaron> names as I have done with spamassassin? > > sb_mboxtrain.py tags messages it's already trained on so when it revisits > $HOME/Mail/spam at a later time it will only train on messages that have > been added since the last run. You can run it with the -f flag to force it > to retrain on all messages. Note however that you need to lock access to > your file since both procmail and sb_mboxtrain.py will want to write to it. > > Skip I understand that sb_mboxtrain.py will recognize the messages it has been already been used in training but that is not what I am asking. If the messages that the user has identified as spam are placed in the same file as the messages that spambayes has already identified as spam, then we would be training on messages that have never been used in training but spambayes has already identified as spam. Is this a useful thing to so? -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From skip at pobox.com Thu Jul 22 01:09:33 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu Jul 22 01:09:37 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Confusion about Unix or Linus documentation In-Reply-To: <20040721215112.GA11138@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> References: <20040721020407.GB4493@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> <16638.43910.128066.866919@montanaro.dyndns.org> <20040721215112.GA11138@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> Message-ID: <16638.63405.152341.388225@montanaro.dyndns.org> Aaron> If the messages that the user has identified as spam are placed Aaron> in the same file as the messages that spambayes has already Aaron> identified as spam, then we would be training on messages that Aaron> have never been used in training but spambayes has already Aaron> identified as spam. Aaron> Is this a useful thing to so? That depends on your desired training strategy. Using a train-on-everything strategy, you'd certainly want that behavior, but I agree, in this day and age with 80-something per cent of mail being sent purportedly spam, this can grow your training database rapidly and perhaps unnecessarily. Still, to catch false positives you have to save them somewhere. My procmail setup saves all messages which score as spam and that aren't deleted outright into a specific mailbox which I scan periodically. The only thing in that mailbox I'd want to train on are false positives, which are rare beasties indeed. You might check here: http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/TrainingIdeas for some of the (many) training strategy options. I use train-to-exhaustion in such a way that throwing a message into the ham or spam pile that would already score correctly gets it tossed out on its bum on the next pass, so having a few extra of something is no big deal. Skip From mikellewellyn at comcast.net Thu Jul 22 01:39:46 2004 From: mikellewellyn at comcast.net (Mike Llewellyn) Date: Thu Jul 22 01:40:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Broken links Message-ID: <000001c46f7c$02186ec0$2736a8c0@DC3K8Q11> Greetings... SpamBayes is a fantastic product. Keep up the extraordinary work! BTW: The links to the Release Notes and Files That Make Up This Release are ... busted ... broken ... nonoperational ... suboptimally configured ... --Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040721/e75ad22d/attachment.html From tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk Thu Jul 22 01:50:35 2004 From: tdickenson at devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk (Toby Dickenson) Date: Thu Jul 22 01:50:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Linux interface not user friendly In-Reply-To: <000001c46ea6$cf59eca0$7500a8c0@panther> References: <000001c46ea6$cf59eca0$7500a8c0@panther> Message-ID: <200407220050.35599.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk> On Tuesday 20 July 2004 23:13, Mark Ricketts wrote: > I'll start donating money when you guys make the linux interface as easy to > use as the windows interface. As with most things linux vs windows, the linux solution is a little harder to set up. Partly because you first have to *choose* which components to use and partly because your have to manually connect those components together. But that gives you more flexibility of options, and some of the options are arguably easier to use than the outlook plugin once your installation process is complete. Ive just updated a description of my personal spambayes+kmail configuration that may or may not be helpful. http://www.tarind.com/kmailsb.html -- Toby Dickenson From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 01:57:11 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 01:57:18 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Broken links In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130725834D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678191@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Greetings... SpamBayes is a fantastic product. > Keep up the extraordinary work! Many thanks for the kind words. > BTW: The links to the Release Notes and Files > That Make Up This Release are ... busted ... > broken ... nonoperational ... suboptimally configured ... This appears to be because sourceforge is partially down. At least, trying to connect to http://sourceforge.net fails for me (and that's where those pages are). Presumably this is a temporary problem (usually you'd be redirected to a "down for maintenance page") that's unexpected and will be fixed quickly. Nothing we can do about it, though, I'm afraid. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 02:16:31 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 02:16:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Linux interface not user friendly In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307258354@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678192@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Ive just updated a description of my personal spambayes+kmail > configuration that may or may not be helpful. > http://www.tarind.com/kmailsb.html This looks like quite a nice description. Would you mind if I added a link to it from the linux setup page on the website? =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 02:35:18 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 02:37:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with imap filter on mac os x: memory error In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130725826D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02FE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > But when I try to run it as a filter, even by making the inbox > much smaller (just a few hundred messages), I keep getting a memory > allocation error. Any ideas on what is going wrong? No other > mail programs are running at the time. > > It's a Mac G5 running OS X 10.3 > > % python sb_imapfilter.py -t -c -l 5 -P > SpamBayes IMAP Filter Version 0.4 (May 2004) > and engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004). > > Password: > *** malloc: vm_allocate(size=4890624) failed (error code=3) > *** malloc[4452]: error: Can't allocate region [...] > MemoryError I really don't like the look of those malloc errors. It appears that it's only asking for 4.89 MB of memory, which is not a lot really. Googling for this error code gives examples of people with the problem, but they're typically asking for more than a GB of memory (at which point the error is more understandable). Is there plenty of free space on the drive that's being used for the swap? Do any other programs have memory troubles? Is there a fairly large message in the IMAP folders that it's scanning through? (perhaps something about 4.9 MB?) Python's imaplib tries to receive the whole message in one chunk, meaning (I presume) that the memory is requested in one chunk, but if that's a problem then it's a Python problem and I would have thought that some other OX X 10.3 Python user would have hit it. (The google results did have a few Perl hits, though). Could you try this and see what happens? % python >>> import imaplib >>> i = imaplib.IMAP4("my.mail.server") >>> i.login("username", "password") >>> i.select() >>> i.fetch(1) >>> i.logout() >>> (control-z) =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 02:49:38 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 02:49:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How to make SpamBayes authenticate for proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307258267@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02FF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I just upgraded to 1.0rc2 and I have the same > problem with it as I did with 0.8: "Check for new > version" fails because it doesn't authenticate > with my proxy server. Can I fix this? Are your Internet Control Panel settings set to manually specify a proxy, or use an auto-configuration script? If it's the latter, then we simply don't support this. There's an open bug tracker: [ 796298 ] Outlook plugin: 0.7 Check for new version doesn't use proxy The problem is that it's very complicated to support this (thanks, Microsoft). Probably explains why a fair chunk of programs don't support it, although Firefox does, so presumably there's code there that could be examined (thanks, open source). If it's the former, then it's meant to work. I don't recall how it figures the username & password to use (it does whatever Python does) - perhaps it's the windows username & password? (Are they not the same, maybe?). If it is the former, and doesn't work, then you can try this: In your data directory you should have a "default_bayes_customize.ini" file (if not, create one). In it, add the following lines to the end (without the leading whitespace): [globals] proxy_server:this.is.the.address.of.your.proxy:port proxy_username:your_username proxy_password:your_password (Substituting the appropriate values, obviously). Do this with Outlook closed, and then reopen Outlook, and see if that fixes it. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 02:55:14 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 02:55:33 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Fails to finish configuration In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307258151@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678196@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have tried configuring Spambayes on a friends computer > several times over the course of the day. It doesn't matter > if I choose manual or automatic configuration, although I > did notice when I attempted manual configuration > and tried to select the correct inbox to filter, it was not > an option. The picture below indicates the error message. > > <<...OLE_Obj...>> > Please let me know if this is something you can help me with. I'm afraid whatever you tried to do to insert an image here didn't work. If you could just use words to describe the error (including any error number that it gives you), that would probably work best. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 02:54:23 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 02:55:34 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Questions concerning spambayes. In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307258137@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678195@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > First, I am wanting to install spambayes on outlook 98. I am > aware that I cannot use the plugin. However I am trying to > set it from source. I am having problems with it. I am not > sure that I have downloaded everything that I need or if I > have downloaded too much. We use pop3. You don't have to run from source. What you need to use is the POP3 proxy (the "sb_server" script). All that you need to use this is the same installer that you use for the Outlook plug-in. Run it, and it should offer to install sb_server rather than the plug-in (since it should fail to find Outlook on those machines). Once it's installed the readme should cover everything that you need to do to set it up (this isn't (yet) as straightforward as the plug-in, unfortunately). If you run into any troubles, let us know. > Secondly we have > some MAC operating systems that we would like to install this > on also. Pop 3 is used on these computers. The program that > they run is Entourage by Microsoft. You can use sb_server for these, too, although in this case you do need to use the source. You will need to get the source archive (the .tar.gz one is probably best), and possibly also install Python (OS X 10.3 definitely already has it, I think 10.2 has a sufficient version as well. I don't know about earlier versions). The wiki has a bit of stuff about using SpamBayes with a mac - . I've never set it up myself, so can't really help more than that, sorry. Once it's set up, though, it'll be exactly the same interface as on the Windows machines. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 03:11:38 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 03:11:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBeyes problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130725825F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304678199@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > When I go to the Junk Suspects folder, the > "Recover from Spam" button no longer appears, > only the "Delete as Spam" button. I've tried > deleting the SpamBeyes toolbar and re-installing > it after restarting Outlook, but the problem > persists. Is there something else I can do to > bring back the "Recover from Spam" button to my > Junk Suspects folder? Please see (the brand new) FAQ 3.15: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From kabukiblue at comcast.net Thu Jul 22 03:54:45 2004 From: kabukiblue at comcast.net (Jane Richmond) Date: Thu Jul 22 03:56:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] help Message-ID: <000e01c46f8e$de3d1240$16faa843@attbi.com> I downloaded the spam protection program and managed to "configure" it but now when I go onto my Outlook Express, I'm not sure how to use the spam program. I'm not very computer savvy & I'm surprised I've actually gotten this far. Any advice? Jane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040721/4a533228/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 05:28:50 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 05:28:56 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] help In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307258397@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781A6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I downloaded the spam protection program and managed > to "configure" it but now when I go onto my Outlook > Express, I'm not sure how to use the spam program. When you were configuring it, did you tick the "spam" and "unsure" boxes in the "Notate to" or "Classify in subject: header" options? If not, you need to go back to the configuration and do this. (This is necessary for Outlook Express, because it can't work with very many message headers). When you were configuring, did you also change your Outlook Express settings to get mail from localhost? If not, you'll need to do that too (the readme should explain how to do this). Once this is done, mail arriving in Outlook Express should have "Spam," or "Unsure," in the subject or receipient list (depending on which boxes you ticked above), if SpamBayes thinks (based on the training you do) that it's spam or is unsure about it. (If you've done no training at all, then SpamBayes will be unsure about everything). This doesn't actually clear up your inbox, of course. What you can then do, though, is set up rules in Outlook Express to deal with those messages, just like you'd create rules for any other mail. You could make a rule to move all messages with "Spam," in the subject to a "spam" folder, for example. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 05:37:00 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 05:37:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes in Public Folders In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13071A3CFA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C0301@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I know that I can select a public folder for > both incoming and sorted mail (Junk, Suspected Junk), > but it seems like I can have those folders only > in my personal area OR in the public folder. I'm confused by this. Do you mean that you can only have one spam folder and one unsure folder, and all filtered folders go there? If so, then that's by design (it makes things a million times simpler). The only way can think of to get around this is to have another copy of Outlook running somewhere, that handles the second set of filtering tasks. (Or writing a whole new script or making lots and lots of changes to the plug-in to handle separate destinations). If that is what you mean, then none of the rest of this applies. If it's not, then maybe it does . > Ideally I'd like to be able to have a separate > Junk Mail/Junk Suspected section within the public > folder that can be shared between multi-users > (e.g., several receptionist). This doesn't seem > possible under the areas I can find, but maybe there's a way. What happens if you try to do this now? You should be able to select any (mail) folder for filtering or as an unsure/spam destination. If you don't have the appropriate permissions for the folders you might have troubles - the log files will have details. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 05:51:29 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 05:51:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback from an ecstatic user In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307257DB8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781A8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Kenny] > Differences in the counts can also be caused by manual > training. 13126 is the number of spams *trained* while 7131 > is the number of spams *processed* by SpamBayes, so they're > counting different things. If you've ever used the "Train on > a message, mbox file or dbx file" option to train on > additional spam messages, those messages will be included in > the trained count but not in the processed count. I had forgotten/not realised that - thanks! I think this is not as it should be, though (they should be counted somewhere, even if it's in a separate count), so I'll fix this for 1.1. =Tony Meyer From RickFriedman at vfemail.net Thu Jul 22 07:20:12 2004 From: RickFriedman at vfemail.net (Rick Friedman) Date: Thu Jul 22 07:19:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Check for new version shows wrong version Message-ID: <694953673.20040722012012@vfemail.net> Earlier today, I noticed a (very) slight problem. I am running version 1.0rc2 of Spambayes. If I click the "Check for latest version" option on the system tray icon, I get a message back saying: Current version is 0.6, latest is 0.6. Shouldn't it say 1.0rc2? Or something similar? Rick -- The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ball game at Yankee Stadium. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 22 08:00:14 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 22 08:00:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Check for new version shows wrong version In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13072583ED@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781AD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Earlier today, I noticed a (very) slight problem. I am running version > 1.0rc2 of Spambayes. If I click the "Check for latest version" option > on the system tray icon, I get a message back saying: > > Current version is 0.6, latest is 0.6. Thanks! I've checked in a fix for this. Of course, it won't make it into a release until 1.0.1 or 1.1a1, so it's not much good, but this is a fairly minor thing. > Shouldn't it say 1.0rc2? Or something similar? This is what it will do, but the reason (in case you're curious) that it does this is that the POP3 proxy is at version 0.6. Originally the source & binaries were released at different times, and it was useful to have different version numbers for each. These days that's rather confusing, and people expect the version to match whatever it was that they downloaded. This will all be cleaned up at some point, but for the moment, this is a hangover from that. (The Outlook plug-in was modified to print out a more understandable string in the meantime, but I neglected to do this with the tray app until now). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From postmaster at amnesty.org Thu Jul 22 14:52:17 2004 From: postmaster at amnesty.org (InterScan MSS Notification) Date: Thu Jul 22 14:52:24 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Virus found, original message not delivered. Message-ID: <20040722133807.0561E1A633@rooster.amnesty.org> Your email address has been used to send us a message. A virus was found and so your message has been deleted. It has not been delivered to the intended recipient, and they have not been informed. If you want your message to be received, please re-send to the intended recipient without a virus. From perry at stsci.edu Thu Jul 22 16:18:35 2004 From: perry at stsci.edu (Perry Greenfield) Date: Thu Jul 22 16:18:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with imap filter on mac os x: memory error In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02FE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: On 7/21/04 8:35 PM, "Tony Meyer" wrote: >> But when I try to run it as a filter, even by making the inbox >> much smaller (just a few hundred messages), I keep getting a memory >> allocation error. Any ideas on what is going wrong? No other >> mail programs are running at the time. >> >> It's a Mac G5 running OS X 10.3 >> >> % python sb_imapfilter.py -t -c -l 5 -P >> SpamBayes IMAP Filter Version 0.4 (May 2004) >> and engine SpamBayes Engine Version 0.3 (January 2004). >> >> Password: >> *** malloc: vm_allocate(size=4890624) failed (error code=3) >> *** malloc[4452]: error: Can't allocate region > [...] >> MemoryError > > I really don't like the look of those malloc errors. It appears that it's > only asking for 4.89 MB of memory, which is not a lot really. Googling for > this error code gives examples of people with the problem, but they're > typically asking for more than a GB of memory (at which point the error is > more understandable). > > Is there plenty of free space on the drive that's being used for the swap? > Do any other programs have memory troubles? > Yes, no. > Is there a fairly large message in the IMAP folders that it's scanning > through? (perhaps something about 4.9 MB?) Python's imaplib tries to > receive the whole message in one chunk, meaning (I presume) that the memory > is requested in one chunk, but if that's a problem then it's a Python > problem and I would have thought that some other OX X 10.3 Python user would > have hit it. (The google results did have a few Perl hits, though). > I think you put your finger on the problem. I did happen to send myself some large mail message recently, just about that size. When I deleted them, the problem disappeared. > Could you try this and see what happens? > > % python >>>> import imaplib >>>> i = imaplib.IMAP4("my.mail.server") >>>> i.login("username", "password") >>>> i.select() >>>> i.fetch(1) >>>> i.logout() >>>> (control-z) > I tried this after deleting the mail messages ( I can undelete them if necessary) but this is what happened: [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1640)] on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import imaplib [...] ('OK', ['User logged in']) >>> i.select() ('OK', ['842']) >>> i.fetch(1) Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in ? TypeError: fetch() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) >>> So is the fetch call wrong? Thanks for pointing in the right direction. Perry From erika_stevenson at eli.net Thu Jul 22 17:14:36 2004 From: erika_stevenson at eli.net (Stevenson, Erika) Date: Thu Jul 22 17:15:39 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Fails to finish configuration Message-ID: <489B48BEDADEE345BEFC0559BC94FFCC721DE9@wava00s2ke2k01.corp.pvt> It gives me an error that says: There was an error creating the folder named 'Junk E-mail' Please restart Outlook and try again. However, I've tried manually configuring and adding the Junk E-mail folder myself, every time I get an error and Spambayes fails to finish configuration. Erika -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:55 PM To: 'Stevenson, Erika'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Fails to finish configuration > I have tried configuring Spambayes on a friends computer > several times over the course of the day. It doesn't matter > if I choose manual or automatic configuration, although I > did notice when I attempted manual configuration > and tried to select the correct inbox to filter, it was not > an option. The picture below indicates the error message. > > <<...OLE_Obj...>> > Please let me know if this is something you can help me with. I'm afraid whatever you tried to do to insert an image here didn't work. If you could just use words to describe the error (including any error number that it gives you), that would probably work best. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From jimwhite at surfbest.net Thu Jul 22 17:35:14 2004 From: jimwhite at surfbest.net (Jim White) Date: Thu Jul 22 17:35:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How to make SpamBayes authenticate for proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C02FF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Thanks, Tony, I manually specify the proxy, so I changed the globals in the *.ini file and the error in the log looks different now, but still no joy. Here's the log: Error checking the latest version Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 543, in CheckLatestVersion File "spambayes\Version.pyc", line 142, in fetch_latest_dict TypeError: int argument required ERROR: 'There was an error checking for the latest version\r\nFor specific details on the error, please see the SpamBayes log\r\n\r\nPlease check your internet connection, or try again later' Traceback (most recent call last): File "addin.pyc", line 543, in CheckLatestVersion File "spambayes\Version.pyc", line 142, in fetch_latest_dict TypeError: int argument required This obviously isn't a big problem for me, but if anyone is interested in it, I'm happy to try things. Incidentally, I use Firefox but IE is still on my machine and I keep it updated. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:50 PM To: jim.white@myrealbox.com; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] How to make SpamBayes authenticate for proxy > I just upgraded to 1.0rc2 and I have the same problem with it as I did > with 0.8: "Check for new version" fails because it doesn't > authenticate with my proxy server. Can I fix this? Are your Internet Control Panel settings set to manually specify a proxy, or use an auto-configuration script? If it's the latter, then we simply don't support this. There's an open bug tracker: [ 796298 ] Outlook plugin: 0.7 Check for new version doesn't use proxy The problem is that it's very complicated to support this (thanks, Microsoft). Probably explains why a fair chunk of programs don't support it, although Firefox does, so presumably there's code there that could be examined (thanks, open source). If it's the former, then it's meant to work. I don't recall how it figures the username & password to use (it does whatever Python does) - perhaps it's the windows username & password? (Are they not the same, maybe?). If it is the former, and doesn't work, then you can try this: In your data directory you should have a "default_bayes_customize.ini" file (if not, create one). In it, add the following lines to the end (without the leading whitespace): [globals] proxy_server:this.is.the.address.of.your.proxy:port proxy_username:your_username proxy_password:your_password (Substituting the appropriate values, obviously). Do this with Outlook closed, and then reopen Outlook, and see if that fixes it. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. __________ NOD32 1.818 (20040720) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From theatre at rosebudtheatre.com Thu Jul 22 18:18:44 2004 From: theatre at rosebudtheatre.com (Mark Lewandowski) Date: Thu Jul 22 18:19:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes in Public Folders Message-ID: <69F6FCE12A211441A6747D7E6E3BAA770887CA@ns1-rosebud.rosebudschoolofthearts.com> I was hoping for the first idea you mentioned, that I could separate a personal mailbox with its spam requirements from a public folder with its spam requirements. I realize it's a tall order, but one can always ask. I'd be interested in trying the second Outlook tack. I'm not sure how that would work. To answer your second part (since this may be a bug to be dealt with), I create a new mail-enabled public folder (called "Testing"). I created Junk and Suspected Junk within that Testing folder. I set the filter to look at Testing and then to put the appropriate messages in the appropriate folders within Testing. When I send a known spam message to Testing, nothing happens. But when I send that same message to my Inbox, it is filtered to the Suspected Junk under Testing. Even thought Inbox was NOT selected. I tried different combinations of selecting things, but could not leave my Inbox alone. I am using Outlook Addin, Binary 0.81 (Sept 9, 2003) version of Spambayes and Outlook 2002 (SP1). I had all the permissions possible (owner of public folder, full admin rights to the server, etc.) Thoughts? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: July 21, 2004 9:37 PM To: Mark Lewandowski; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes in Public Folders > I know that I can select a public folder for > both incoming and sorted mail (Junk, Suspected Junk), > but it seems like I can have those folders only > in my personal area OR in the public folder. I'm confused by this. Do you mean that you can only have one spam folder and one unsure folder, and all filtered folders go there? If so, then that's by design (it makes things a million times simpler). The only way can think of to get around this is to have another copy of Outlook running somewhere, that handles the second set of filtering tasks. (Or writing a whole new script or making lots and lots of changes to the plug-in to handle separate destinations). If that is what you mean, then none of the rest of this applies. If it's not, then maybe it does . > Ideally I'd like to be able to have a separate > Junk Mail/Junk Suspected section within the public > folder that can be shared between multi-users > (e.g., several receptionist). This doesn't seem > possible under the areas I can find, but maybe there's a way. What happens if you try to do this now? You should be able to select any (mail) folder for filtering or as an unsure/spam destination. If you don't have the appropriate permissions for the folders you might have troubles - the log files will have details. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From theatre at rosebudtheatre.com Thu Jul 22 18:33:19 2004 From: theatre at rosebudtheatre.com (Mark Lewandowski) Date: Thu Jul 22 18:33:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes in Public Folders - more Message-ID: <69F6FCE12A211441A6747D7E6E3BAA770887CB@ns1-rosebud.rosebudschoolofthearts.com> Something else I realized is that all e-mail from outside our network gets posted to a Public Folder as a Post message, not an e-mail message. SpamBayes will only filter "e-mail" messages. I'm wondering if that's part of my problem. If so, is there a work-around for this? Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040722/75cd4e7e/attachment.htm From gene.negstad at nissan-usa.com Thu Jul 22 19:26:01 2004 From: gene.negstad at nissan-usa.com (Negstad, Gene) Date: Thu Jul 22 19:26:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk Mail Folder Message-ID: <68DB491DB636D51194D2006094B3BF430E85BF51@NMCHQT13> I accidentally deleted the Junk E-Mail folder (I use Outlook). I created it, but now no junk mail shows up in that folder, even when I send suspect mail to it. Can you please help? Thanks, Gene Negstad Infinitinet Support Group gene.negstad@nissan-usa.com Phone: 310-771-5091 Cell: 562-544-5000 Page: 888-821-5772 From gene.negstad at nissan-usa.com Thu Jul 22 19:33:36 2004 From: gene.negstad at nissan-usa.com (Negstad, Gene) Date: Thu Jul 22 19:35:25 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] My previous Message Message-ID: <68DB491DB636D51194D2006094B3BF430E85BF52@NMCHQT13> After I sent the note regarding my Junk E-Mail folder, I did some more poking around in Outlook and fixed the problem (the deleted folder was sitting in the Deleted Items folder). Thanks, Gene Negstad Infinitinet Support Group gene.negstad@nissan-usa.com Phone: 310-771-5091 Cell: 562-544-5000 Page: 888-821-5772 From support at get.topica.com Thu Jul 22 20:07:12 2004 From: support at get.topica.com (Topica Customer Support) Date: Thu Jul 22 20:07:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Your recent message to Topica.com Message-ID: <318928884-1463747838-1090519632@boing.topica.com> We're sorry, but the list that you have tried to post to is an announcement-only list and does not allow posts. All posts to the list come from the list owner exclusively, or from authorized subscribers. If you have questions regarding the posting policy of this list, please contact the list owner. Still have questions? Email Topica at support@get.topica.com. Please include the email address of the list you're inquiring about, and the email address you want to use to subscribe to the list. Sincerely, Topica Customer Support From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 23 01:32:47 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jul 23 01:33:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How to make SpamBayes authenticate for proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130725851B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C0302@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I manually specify the proxy, so I changed the globals in the > *.ini file and > the error in the log looks different now, but still no joy. > Here's the log: [...] > TypeError: int argument required Ah, drat. This is a bug. I've checked in the fix, but it won't appear until 1.0.1 or 1.1a1. For the moment, if your proxy port is 8080 you're in luck - just remove the port from the proxy string and it will default to 8080. If it isn't that, then you're out of luck (unless you run from source, in which case I can tell you want the (one line) change is). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From rmckenna at aaaproducts.com Fri Jul 23 01:59:25 2004 From: rmckenna at aaaproducts.com (Russ McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 23 01:59:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam button no longer works. Message-ID: I am been running spambayes for several months. It worked fine. Any possible spam could be deleted with the "Delete as Spam". This functionallity does not work anymore. Any suggestions. From hgrinnell at ft.newyorklife.com Fri Jul 23 03:11:12 2004 From: hgrinnell at ft.newyorklife.com (Hugh Grinnell) Date: Fri Jul 23 03:12:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help Message-ID: <000d01c47051$f276a460$cd5d420c@8l9p821> I just received your anti-span software from my company. I don't know what happened, but all emails just received were tagged as span, and I can't find them to "un-spam" them. Either phone me (928)369-2444 or respond to this email with help. Thanks. Hugh Grinnell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040722/475afbf7/attachment.html From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 23 03:18:19 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jul 23 03:18:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130725866D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781B8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I just received your anti-span software from my > company. I don't know what happened, but all emails > just received were tagged as span, and I can't find > them to "un-spam" them. Please see FAQ 3.12: =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From hgrinnell at ft.newyorklife.com Fri Jul 23 05:10:09 2004 From: hgrinnell at ft.newyorklife.com (Hugh Grinnell) Date: Fri Jul 23 05:11:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help Again Message-ID: <000501c47062$90a561c0$f55f420c@8l9p821> Thanks for your quick response. Unfortunately, the system considers all incoming emails as spam, and your help email was deleted. I cannot find it. Please phone me tomorrow at the number below. Thanks. Hugh Grinnell -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Grinnell [mailto:hgrinnell@ft.newyorklife.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:11 PM To: 'spambayes@python.org' Subject: Help I just received your anti-span software from my company. I don't know what happened, but all emails just received were tagged as span, and I can't find them to "un-spam" them. Either phone me (928)369-2444 or respond to this email with help. Thanks. Hugh Grinnell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040722/4e6f233a/attachment-0001.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 23 05:31:07 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Fri Jul 23 05:31:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help Again In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13072586A4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Thanks for your quick response. Unfortunately, > the system considers all incoming emails as spam, > and your help email was deleted. I cannot find it. > Please phone me tomorrow at the number below. . Replying to this is probably futile, but... 1. You saw that there was a response, but didn't read it? That's a bit odd. 2. You could disable (or uninstall!) SpamBayes, read the message, and then renable (or reinstall) it. 3. A good place to start is the FAQ. Read it; it has the answer for this. 4. The messages aren't deleted. Think "Find Message". 5. I'm in NZ. There's no way I'm calling a US number. If you want people to phone you, you'll need to pay someone - the related page on the website has links to software that might be of interest. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com Tue Jul 20 19:51:18 2004 From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman) Date: Fri Jul 23 13:26:49 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] More on 'Spammer Attempts to Circumvent BayesianFilter' In-Reply-To: <40FD44E3.FFA2D59B@RBarger.com> Message-ID: > From: Richard B Barger ABC APR > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:14 AM > > > Thanks for the effusive praise. While I'm far from a guru on this subject, it is fun to play with the concepts. I'm glad you are interested in knowing more about how it actually works. The more fresh eyes that look at this, the better off we all are. <...> > I still speculate that, over a large enough number of users, > the longer the "normal-seeming" narrative, the more hammy the > message appears to their individual SpamBayes tokenizers. > > In an entire standard dictionary, there are: > > - far, far more words that no one uses than that most people > use; these would be discounted by SpamBayes Strongly agree. Most people's daily vocabulary is a tiny subset of our language. I can only assume that it is the same for speakers of other languages. However, it is worth noting that different individuals have different vocabulary subsets. Some people use words and phrases that others never use, and sometimes force them to consult a dictionary to expand their own vocabulary! > > - far more words that are generally considered ham (across a > large number of people) than that are considered spam (by SpamBayes > training) This is still the part that I am not entirely comfortable with. Here I'm straying away from my own area of knowledge and perhaps entering yours, so I am definitely on shaky ground here, but let me take a shot at it. This hypothesis sounds reasonable for an individual user. If so, the converse of it is that the spammy words would _much_ spammier. I argue this based on word frequency, even though Spambayes only counts a given word once in a message, even it appears multiple times. If there were more hammy words than spammy words in a given recipient's incoming message stream, and the recipient used a training regimen that resulted in a database that represented the most significant hammy and spammy words for them, the spammier words would have to be "stronger" clues than the hammy ones in order to achieve correct classification of the messages. This is somewhat mitigated by the mathematical chicanery inside Spambayes, which is a bit biased toward ham, since false positives are more harmful than false negatives. However, I think that in general, the idea that fewer spammy words would result in their being "stronger" clues is probably true. This suggests that long narratives may contain more hammy words, but the spammy ones would approximately balance them out in the overall score. My counter-hypothesis is that if you tested "narratives" constructed from words chosen at random from the dictionary (what has been called "word salad" on this list - that's a lovely image, isn't it?), when evaluated against a large group of users' databases, you would get an approximately neutral score. Some databases would score it as ham, some would score it as spam, but my _guess_ is that the largest group would classify it as unsure. I'm not disputing that there is probably a subset of the hammy words in the ensemble of databases of the Spambayes user community that has higher than 50% incidence. What I'm questioning is how one would go about guessing what those words might be. You would need access to the individual databases. Alternatively, you would need access to the individual incoming mail streams, plus any rules that excluded certain messages from evaluation by Spambayes. Most importantly, I don't believe, though I can't prove this, that selecting words at random from the dictionary would accomplish this. > > To me, that means that a couple of relatively long (How long? > I have no idea!) neutral-seeming narrative passages would be likely > to raise ham content scores somewhat, because the longer they are, > the more likely they are to contain more ham-appearing words. If my argument above has any merit, which is questionable, using more random words would only result in a larger probability of being classified as unsure, as the expected result, meaning the result that one would get if they included all the words in the dictionary, would be unsure. The occasional classification of "word salad" into ham or spam, IMHO, results from the sample of words being too small and thus the statistical variation (variance) of the classification is significant compared to the expected value (the mean). Another way to put this is that for those user databases that classified it as ham, the small sample of word salad represented a lucky guess. > > Would this be enough to overcome SpamBayes? Of course not, > in most cases. And if a user is sufficiently interested in > avoiding spam to use this excellent product, he's certainly > not going to be tricked by a spam message that makes it into > his unsure -- or even his ham -- folder. > > So I'm not talking, in particular, about outcomes for the > spammer. I'm just > interested in the theory behind SpamBayes' handling of larger coherent > narratives, which in my sample of 34,678 messages now represent the > second-most-frequent type of file that hits my Unsure folder. > > I, too, recognize them when I see them. I'm just trying to > figure out how to make SpamBayes equally sensitive. Train on what you consider ham and spam, keeping the number trained in each category similar, and it will learn. Remember that some header information is included as tokens, so Spambayes does tend to form a whitelist of your correspondents, if you train on their messages. Removing messages from our inbox coming from lists that have good spam filtering both reduces the load on Spambayes and reduces the vocabulary it has to train on, which has made it more effective in my environment. If there are misclassifications in your training database, this is very hard to overcome and it is sometimes better to start over. -- Seth Goodman From chris at OKIEbiz.com Fri Jul 23 13:33:16 2004 From: chris at OKIEbiz.com (Chris Cowlbeck) Date: Fri Jul 23 13:33:22 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] A bit More Detail On The Command Message-ID: What a great program. I downloaded yesterday and I really love the ease of use. Spam away! I use roaming profiles for the folks at work, and have read the trouble shooting guide under multiple users. I have tried to launch what was typed in the command line at the DOS level, but I don't have enough experience to know the correct command. I have pasted that section below and inserted the problem area where I have lacking knowledge/experience. Any tip would be helpful. Thanks Chris Cowlbeck, Managing Broker Maureen Realty, Inc. 1500 W. Broadway Ardmore, OK 73401 O: 580-223-5386 x17 F: 580-226-0222 chris@maureenrealty.com www.MaureenRealty.com SpamBayes is not available for all users on the machine. When SpamBayes is installed, by default it is available only for the user who installed it. This is to allow SpamBayes to appear in Microsoft Outlook's Com-Addin list, and therefore able to be activated and de-activated by the user inside Outlook. It is possible to register the addin so it is available to all users on a particular machine, which can be useful in enterprise arrangements where users have 'roaming profiles' To register SpamBayes in this way, you must log on as a user with permissions to modify the system registry, then execute the command (which command and in what program or interface... DOS prompt?) (obviously with the correct path substituted): "c:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin_register.exe" hkey_local_machine If you check the installation log after performing such an install, you should see the following messages: Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin Registration complete. Registration (in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE) complete. Note the last line, which does not exist when registration is performed only for the current user. 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Thank You, Moody's Messaging Group From thorns at openface.ca Fri Jul 23 18:19:30 2004 From: thorns at openface.ca (Simon Thornington) Date: Fri Jul 23 18:23:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Narrative spam Message-ID: <0I1B003P2C0KEP@VL-MO-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> Hi all, I love the filter. I was glancing over the thread earlier about the possibility of narrative spam, and I actually received one today. Quite interesting. Simon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Finbarr From RickFriedman at vfemail.net Fri Jul 23 20:25:00 2004 From: RickFriedman at vfemail.net (Rick Friedman) Date: Fri Jul 23 20:45:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] non-outlook download problem In-Reply-To: <706566302.20040723183444@mapinformatics.com> References: <706566302.20040723183444@mapinformatics.com> Message-ID: <785843309.20040723142500@vfemail.net> Hi Finbarr, Friday, July 23, 2004, 12:34:44 PM, you wrote: FOS> Hi, FOS> I am trying to obtain your non-Outlook sb_server from the link at teh FOS> bottom of this page: FOS> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html FOS> but get Page Not Found. FOS> I want to use it wih the email client "The Bat" which connects with FOS> POP3. FOS> Thanks, FOS> Finbarr FOS> _______________________________________________ FOS> Spambayes@python.org FOS> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes FOS> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html Hmmm... the link seems to work for me. Below is the exact link. Try clicking from within this message: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/spambayes-1.0rc2.exe?download Take it easy, Rick -- The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ball game at Yankee Stadium. From sonystyle at custhelp.com Fri Jul 23 21:13:18 2004 From: sonystyle at custhelp.com (Sony Style Customer Care) Date: Fri Jul 23 21:13:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Mail Delivery (failure sonystyle@custhelp.com) [Incident: 040723-000779] Message-ID: <4101634E.000001.30318@websc-utils01.int.rightnowtech.com> **This is an Automated Email.** A Sony Style team member will reply to your question within 12 hours. You may reply to this email by typing between the [===> symbols below. [===> Please enter your reply below this line <===] [===> Please enter your reply above this line <===] You can view or edit your question and answer online here. http://sonystyle.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/sonystyle.cfg/php/enduser/acct_login.php?p_userid=spambayes@python.org&p_next_page=myq_upd.php&p_iid=982508&p_created=1090609997 Question #040723-000779 --------------------------------------------------------------- Summary: Mail Delivery (failure sonystyle@custhelp.com) Product: No Specific Product Date Created: 07/23/2004 12:13 PM Last Updated: 07/23/2004 12:13 PM Status: Pending Discussion Thread --------------------------------------------------------------- Customer - 07/23/2004 12:13 PM ==================== audio File Attachment ==================== message.scr, 29568 bytes, added to incident From robert at imagine.co.uk Sat Jul 24 01:19:43 2004 From: robert at imagine.co.uk (Robert Neuschul) Date: Sat Jul 24 01:19:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing Spambayes on Windows 2003 Message-ID: Hi I'm in the process of trying to install both Python and SpamBayes on a new Windows 2003 server. Both Python.org 2.3.4 and ActiveState Python 2.3.2 fail to install: the former tells me that I'm not logged in as administrator, asks if I wish to continue and if I do continue it then fails to write anything to disk other than a corrupt entry in Control Panel Add/Remove programs. I am logged in as Administrator. Explicitly doing a Run As and setting the python installer to run as DOMAIN\Administrator makes no difference The ActiveState Python MSI simply tells me there's a problem in the MSI path and exits immediately. Changing the source directory also makes no difference for either of these versions of Python. At this point I'm kind of stuck; I still have our old Win 2000S system running with SpamBayes, but that's due for decommissioning next week. Quick searches of both Python.Org and ActiveState web sites show no obvious reasons for these failures. A Google on "Python install problems in W2003" also sheds little light on this. Can anyone suggest what might be going on? TIA Robert. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sat Jul 24 01:42:51 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sat Jul 24 01:43:02 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing Spambayes on Windows 2003 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130725897A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781BD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Both Python.org 2.3.4 and ActiveState Python 2.3.2 fail to > install [...] > Can anyone suggest what might be going on? In case you don't get any useful answers here, I'd suggest that asking python-list@python.org (or comp.lang.python, which is the same thing) is much more likely to get you a helpful answer. =Tony Meyer From ebowles at columbus.rr.com Sat Jul 24 01:42:26 2004 From: ebowles at columbus.rr.com (Eddie Bowles) Date: Sat Jul 24 01:44:40 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Wow Message-ID: <001d01c4710e$b64013b0$6501a8c0@EDDIE> I just had to comment about how happy I am with spambayes. I have been so frustrated with spam since I signed up with roadrunner high-speed internet service and I didn't know what to do. I complained to roadrunner, researched ways to fight spam, and considered buying software solutions when somehow I stumbled on a link to your site from http://www.slipstick.com/rules/junkmail.htm. I downloaded your software because 1) it was free and 2) it worked from within outlook. I had immediate results after doing hardly any training! I can't believe it! Thank you so much. Eddie Bowles Columbus, OH USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040723/5fb47ff0/attachment.html From jimwhite at surfbest.net Sat Jul 24 01:44:36 2004 From: jimwhite at surfbest.net (Jim White) Date: Sat Jul 24 01:44:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] How to make SpamBayes authenticate for proxy In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C0302@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Joy. I took the port off the proxyserver string and it now works, although it didn't until I happened to reboot the machine, so who knows what about the reboot was required. Thanks! Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 6:33 PM To: jim.white@myrealbox.com; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] How to make SpamBayes authenticate for proxy > I manually specify the proxy, so I changed the globals in the *.ini > file and the error in the log looks different now, but still no joy. > Here's the log: [...] > TypeError: int argument required Ah, drat. This is a bug. I've checked in the fix, but it won't appear until 1.0.1 or 1.1a1. For the moment, if your proxy port is 8080 you're in luck - just remove the port from the proxy string and it will default to 8080. If it isn't that, then you're out of luck (unless you run from source, in which case I can tell you want the (one line) change is). =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. __________ NOD32 1.819 (20040722) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From acarter at monmouth.com Sat Jul 24 06:21:25 2004 From: acarter at monmouth.com (acarter@monmouth.com) Date: Sat Jul 24 06:21:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Thank You!!! Message-ID: <001c01c47135$af6d2e70$6601a8c0@redbank> Dear Folks, Thank you for this wonderful product. I'm using Microsoft Outlook and it has completely solved my SPAM problem! 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040724/3b986fe2/attachment.html From robert at imagine.co.uk Sat Jul 24 15:54:59 2004 From: robert at imagine.co.uk (Robert Neuschul) Date: Sat Jul 24 15:55:01 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing Spambayes on Windows 2003 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781BD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781BD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Tony In article <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781BD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>, Tony Meyer wrote: > In case you don't get any useful answers here, I'd suggest that asking > python-list@python.org (or comp.lang.python, which is the same thing) is > much more likely to get you a helpful answer. Thanks. Will do. It is puzzling, to say the least :-) Robert. From sole at soleassociates.com Sat Jul 24 19:29:20 2004 From: sole at soleassociates.com (Kenneth Sole) Date: Sat Jul 24 19:29:48 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Data file "out of balance"...? Message-ID: <000301c471a3$c2067eb0$6901a8c0@Kitchen> Howdy, I am running the most recent version of SpamBayes Outlook PlugIn... I trained it on approximately 70 spams and 70 hams, and all was well. SB occasionally misses a spam, and I have been training on those. SB virtually never gives me a false positive (characterizing a ham as spam.) As a result, the ratio of spams to hams in my database quickly goes up over 2:1 which I understand from the FAQs is not the best way to have things set up. When this happens, I have thought to train on more hams in the hope of getting the DB into better "balance" but I can't figure out how to train on hams only. I can't move hams from the spam folder because none are in there. What is the best way for me to handle the situation I describe? (And I will add, I have looked at the online support materials without finding an answer to this one.) Very sincere thanks for any help, -- Kenneth Sole & Associates, Inc. Box 292 Durham, New Hampshire 03824 Voice: 603-659-3169 Fax: 603-659-2248 Email: sole@soleAssociates.com URL: http://www.soleAssociates.com PGP: http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE17941C6 From sole at soleassociates.com Sat Jul 24 19:42:59 2004 From: sole at soleassociates.com (Kenneth Sole) Date: Sat Jul 24 19:43:14 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Data file "out of balance"...? Message-ID: <000c01c471a5$a9c4b540$6901a8c0@Kitchen> Howdy, I am running the most recent version of SpamBayes Outlook PlugIn... I trained it on approximately 70 spams and 70 hams, and all was well. SB occasionally misses a spam, and I have been training on those. SB virtually never gives me a false positive (characterizing a ham as spam.) As a result, the ratio of spams to hams in my database quickly goes up over 2:1 which I understand from the FAQs is not the best way to have things set up. When this happens, I have thought to train on more hams in the hope of getting the DB into better "balance" but I can't figure out how to train on hams only. I can't move hams from the spam folder because none are in there. What is the best way for me to handle the situation I describe? (And I will add, I have looked at the online support materials without finding an answer to this one.) Very sincere thanks for any help, -- Kenneth Sole & Associates, Inc. Box 292 Durham, New Hampshire 03824 Voice: 603-659-3169 Fax: 603-659-2248 Email: sole@soleAssociates.com URL: http://www.soleAssociates.com PGP: http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE17941C6 From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 25 04:03:41 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 25 04:03:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Data file "out of balance"...? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130734D851@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781C7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > As a result, the ratio of spams to hams in my database > quickly goes up over 2:1 which I understand from the FAQs is > not the best way to have things set up. I wouldn't worry about a 2::1 (or 1::2) imbalance. Anything up to around 5::1 is probably fine - and if you keep getting the results that you want, then don't worry about the imbalance at all. > When this happens, I have thought to train on more hams in > the hope of getting the DB into better "balance" but I can't > figure out how to train on hams only. I can't move hams from > the spam folder because none are in there. > > What is the best way for me to handle the situation I > describe? Put the messages to train in an otherwise empty folder, and use the SpamBayes Manager dialog's Training tab to "Train Now". =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 25 04:08:30 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 25 04:08:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] A bit More Detail On The Command In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1307258772@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781C8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I use roaming profiles for the folks at work, and > have read the trouble shooting guide under multiple > users. I have tried to launch what was typed in the > command line at the DOS level, but I don't have enough > experience to know the correct command. The correct command is the one in the troubleshooting guide <0.5 wink>. [...] > To register SpamBayes in this way, you must log on > as a user with permissions to modify the system > registry, then execute the command (which command > and in what program or interface... DOS prompt?) > (obviously with the correct path substituted): > "c:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin_register.exe" > hkey_local_machine Which command: the command that follows the colon, i.e. "C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\bin\outlook_addin\register.exe hkey_local_machine". If you installed SpamBayes somewhere other than "C:\Program Files\SpamBayes", then you'll need to adjust it correspondingly. What program/interface: whatever your preferred method is. Yes, you can do this in a DOS/Command Prompt. You could also use Start->Run, or create a shortcut to the exe, change the shortcut's parameters to pass the "hkey_local_machine" and double-click it. Or use various other methods. Whatever suits you best. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 25 04:09:25 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 25 04:09:31 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam button no longer works. In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13072585F7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C0305@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am been running spambayes for several months. It worked > fine. Any possible spam could be deleted with the "Delete as > Spam". This functionallity does not work anymore. Please send us a copy of your most recent log file. The troubleshooting guide explains where to find this. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From dbwyatt at cox.net Sun Jul 25 05:45:51 2004 From: dbwyatt at cox.net (Dorothy Wyatt) Date: Sun Jul 25 05:45:54 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] mozilla Message-ID: <41032CEF.9080109@cox.net> I have spambayes at work where I have no choice but to use Outlook, and it work greats, and some little icons in the toolbar that I can "remove, etc" messages from spambayes. Can I set it up this way in mozilla ?? and if so how?? Thanks for any feedback, Dorothy From tim.peters at gmail.com Sun Jul 25 06:14:18 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Jul 25 06:14:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] mozilla In-Reply-To: <41032CEF.9080109@cox.net> References: <41032CEF.9080109@cox.net> Message-ID: <1f7befae040724211430a533d9@mail.gmail.com> [Dorothy Wyatt] > I have spambayes at work where I have no choice but to use Outlook, and > it work greats, and some little icons in the toolbar that I can "remove, > etc" messages from spambayes. Can I set it up this way in mozilla ?? Sorry, I'm afraid not. "Nice" integration with a specific email client is a relatively enormous amount of tedious work, and so far only Outlook has attracted enough volunteers to do that work (primarily Mark Hammond). Indeed, I was about to give up using Outlook when Mark made the SB addin fly! It's so nice it's enough to keep me using Outlook at work and at home. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Jul 25 07:31:30 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Jul 25 07:31:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] mozilla In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130734D909@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781CB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [Dorothy Wyatt] > I have spambayes at work where I have no choice but to use Outlook, > and it work greats, and some little icons in the toolbar that I can > "remove, etc" messages from spambayes. Can I set it up this way in > mozilla ?? [Tim Peters] > Sorry, I'm afraid not. "Nice" integration with a specific > email client is a relatively enormous amount of tedious work, [...] Just in case you don't know - you can use SpamBayes with Mozilla (Mail), but without the nice integration. You use the same installer, but choose "sb_server" rather than the Outlook plug-in. It's certainly not as convenient as the plug-in, but the end results are the same. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tim.peters at gmail.com Sun Jul 25 07:49:18 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Jul 25 07:49:21 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] mozilla In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781CB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781CB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1f7befae04072422494cb69d7f@mail.gmail.com> [Dorothy Wyatt] >>> I have spambayes at work where I have no choice but to use Outlook, >>> and it work greats, and some little icons in the toolbar that I can >>> "remove, etc" messages from spambayes. Can I set it up this way in >>> mozilla ?? [Tim Peters] >> Sorry, I'm afraid not. "Nice" integration with a specific >> email client is a relatively enormous amount of tedious work, [Tony Meyer] > Just in case you don't know - you can use SpamBayes with Mozilla (Mail), but > without the nice integration. You use the same installer, but choose > "sb_server" rather than the Outlook plug-in. It's certainly not as > convenient as the plug-in, but the end results are the same. To continue in this positive vein , the end results may be better: the Outlook addin is uniquely blind in some respects because Outlook destroys the original structure of incoming email. For example, the Outlook addin *could* do a better job of feeding information about attachments to the classifier, but it's so tedious to reconstruct this info that nobody has done it yet. All other ways of using SpamBayes get this info "for free" (from the original MIME armor that Outlook throws away). From sole at soleassociates.com Sun Jul 25 13:21:03 2004 From: sole at soleassociates.com (Kenneth Sole) Date: Sun Jul 25 13:29:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Data file "out of balance"...? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781C7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <000701c47239$79d52290$6901a8c0@Kitchen> Hi Tony, When I tried to add to the DB by training only on hams, SB balked. It simply did not occur to me that I could give it a bunch of hams and one spam, but that worked just fine. I sincerely appreciate your assistance, -- Kenneth Sole & Associates, Inc. Box 292 Durham, New Hampshire 03824 Voice: 603-659-3169 Fax: 603-659-2248 Email: sole@soleAssociates.com URL: http://www.soleAssociates.com PGP: http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE17941C6 -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Tony Meyer Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:04 PM To: 'Kenneth Sole'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Data file "out of balance"...? > As a result, the ratio of spams to hams in my database > quickly goes up over 2:1 which I understand from the FAQs is > not the best way to have things set up. I wouldn't worry about a 2::1 (or 1::2) imbalance. Anything up to around 5::1 is probably fine - and if you keep getting the results that you want, then don't worry about the imbalance at all. > When this happens, I have thought to train on more hams in > the hope of getting the DB into better "balance" but I can't > figure out how to train on hams only. I can't move hams from > the spam folder because none are in there. > > What is the best way for me to handle the situation I > describe? Put the messages to train in an otherwise empty folder, and use the SpamBayes Manager dialog's Training tab to "Train Now". =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From robert at imagine.co.uk Sun Jul 25 20:17:08 2004 From: robert at imagine.co.uk (Robert Neuschul) Date: Sun Jul 25 20:17:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Installing Spambayes on Windows 2003 In-Reply-To: References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781BD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Follow Up: Notes on how to install SpamBayes on Windows 2003. The Windows Executable version of SpamBayes does not appear to work correctly on 2003. One needs the platform independent version. Both Python.org and AS Python's latest Windows installable builds fail in the same manner due to changes in the SYSTEM account securities and in Active Directory. See below for details. Python.org 2.3.4 is a more reliable install, but both /will/ install if care is taken. If one gets it wrong then one is left with an uninstallable [I.E Windows Add/Remove Programs won't work] and corrupt version of Python which takes some messing about to get rid of. 1] To install Python.org 2.3.4 run the setup executable from a temporary folder on the local disk where the installed product will run - e.g. place the installer at c:\temp and install to c:\Python23 2] When asked whether to install as Administrator or for Each User DO NOT CHOOSE ADMINISTRATOR! An Admin install will fail with corrupt system environment issues. 3] Reboot the system. Check the environment to make sure that the python path is correctly initialised [open a CMD shell, type SET and check the last clause in the PATH variable is often the easiest way]. 4] Use the platform independent ZIP version of SpamBayes. Expand the zip to a local temporary folder, and copy the core into a folder of your choice on the root drive. Open a command session and CD to \%spambayes%\windows and run "python pop3proxy_service.py --interactive install" [without the "] 5] **IMPORTANT** Go to CP, Administrative Tools, Computer Management, Services; find the Spambayes service, open its properties, Log On and set it to use the Administrator account. IT WILL NOT RUN CORRECTLY OR AT ALL AS SYSTEM ACCOUNT. Apply the changes and start the service. 6] Open a browser and point it at localhost:8880 - select the configuration page; make the necessary changes to your configuration as required and save BUT DO NOT ALLOW THE CONFIG PAGE "SAVE" TO STOP THE SERVICE! Note: if you are also runnning Exchange Server on the same machine then make sure to change the relevant default SMTP/POP3 ports [110/25] as required, otherwise POP3 clients' traffic from your lan will get intercepted by Exchange before reaching SpamBayes. My next step: to test how SpamBayes can be made to work reliably with Exchange. Hope this helps others. Robert. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 26 01:41:45 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 26 01:41:52 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Data file "out of balance"...? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130734D933@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781D2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > When I tried to add to the DB by training only on hams, SB > balked. It simply did not occur to me that I could give it a > bunch of hams and one spam, but that worked just fine. Glad to hear that it worked. FWIW, you can select an empty folder for spam 'training', and that should work too. I've also made a change so that you can specify a ham and/or spam folder(s), rather than having to have both, so in the longer term (i.e. when 1.1 comes out), this will be somewhat simpler. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 26 07:31:40 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 26 07:31:47 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Fails to finish configuration In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130725850A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781DA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > It gives me an error that says: There was an error creating > the folder named 'Junk E-mail' Please restart Outlook and > try again. However, I've tried manually configuring and > adding the Junk E-mail folder myself, every time I get an > error and Spambayes fails to finish configuration. What happens if you just create a "Junk E-Mail" folder with Outlook? (And then select it with SpamBayes). Is this a local (pst file) store, or Exchange, or IMAP, or Hotmail? Could you find your most recent log file (the troubleshooting guide explains where they are) and send us a copy of that? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Jul 26 07:33:58 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Jul 26 07:34:04 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with imap filter on mac os x: memory error In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13072584E3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781DB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I think you put your finger on the problem. I did happen to > send myself some large mail message recently, just about that > size. When I deleted them, the problem disappeared. I'll try and change imapfilter so that it handles that better. (I thought it already did, but that must have been MemoryErrors somewhere else). > > Could you try this and see what happens? [...] > I tried this after deleting the mail messages ( I can undelete them if > necessary) but this is what happened: [...] > TypeError: fetch() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given) > > So is the fetch call wrong? Yes, sorry. My IMAP server was unavailable at the time, so I did that from memory, which was obviously a mistake. From the other comments it would have had the same result anyway. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From avillarroya at bajamar.es Mon Jul 26 08:17:37 2004 From: avillarroya at bajamar.es (Angel Villaroya Berna) Date: Mon Jul 26 08:19:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Virus detectado en el mensaje "Delivered Message (avillarroya@bajamar.es)" Message-ID: <84DB0662393C8F48A99CD27CEAF88D300685EC@srvntz.BAJAMARZ.ES> Symantec AntiVirus ha detectado un virus en un archivo adjunto que (spambayes@python.org ) envi? a Angel Villaroya Berna. Para que los destinatarios puedan usar los archivos enviados, haga un an?lisis en el sistema, limpie cualquier archivo infectado y vuelva a enviar el archivo adjunto. Archivo adjunto: data4013.zip Nombre del virus: W32.Netsky.Q@mm Acci?n realizada: Cuarentena satisfactorio : Estado del archivo: Infectado -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2011 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040726/24c78a69/attachment.bin From lkitchin at dow.com Mon Jul 26 13:48:22 2004 From: lkitchin at dow.com (Kitchin, Lou Ann (LA)) Date: Mon Jul 26 13:55:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Question - Junk Suspects Message-ID: <8A83C8F5E54C9548806C878FC7E0AE706919C7@CASRNMDOWM011.dow.com> I have not heard from you on the issues below. Please respond ASAP. 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Any more explicit and laymans wording help for what to put in the configure spaces for port #s etc. my email is esguild1@berkshire.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040726/6813c622/attachment.htm From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jul 27 01:38:14 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jul 27 01:38:26 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] cant use this program In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130734DAD5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C030C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Im pretty savvy on a pc , but cant for the life of > me figure out how to configure this program. Right > now it doesnt seem to do anything. Any more explicit > and laymans wording help for what to put in the > configure spaces for port #s When you're asking for help, it really helps us if you can say: what operating system (and version) you are using, what version of SpamBayes you are using, which SpamBayes application you are trying to use, what mail client you are using, and to be really specific about the problem that you are having. Without that, we have to make lots of guesses, and it takes much longer to get a useful answer. I presume you are using sb_server, and trying to enter the server & port details for your POP3 server. If you only get mail from one server, then in the "remote servers" box, you put the name of that server, e.g. "mail.example.com". In the "SpamBayes Ports" box, you put 110 (unless you already have something using that port, or you are using Mac OS X or Linux). You then set your mail client to receive mail from "localhost", rather than "mail.example.com". Is this what you were after? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Jul 27 01:47:13 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Jul 27 01:47:20 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Question - Junk Suspects In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130734DAD0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13064C030D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have not heard from you on the issues below. Please respond ASAP. The answers provided here are all from volunteers giving up their spare time. Sometimes there isn't a lot of spare time to use and things take a while. We get to the mail as we can; please be patient. > When in Junk Suspects folder and click Recover from Spam - > It does not move message to Inbox. Why? [...] I believe that this is a case of one of these bugs: [ 961019 ] Outlook2K3 spews warnings as it fails to create spam field [ 956834 ] Outlook crashes when accessing SpamBayes functions It's not clear why this problem happens, or how it is related to the problems yet. You may wish to add comments to one of those trackers, or monitor them. Note that the logs you attached were #3 and #4 - there should have been #1 and #2, which are more recent. Neither of the logs you attached indicated that the Delete/Recover buttons were pushed, so the problems may not be related (as Mark indicates in the trackers). If the #1 log is significantly different to the #3/#4 logs, then it may be worth letting us see a copy of that. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From akonstam at trinity.edu Tue Jul 27 15:52:15 2004 From: akonstam at trinity.edu (akonstam@trinity.edu) Date: Tue Jul 27 15:44:19 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question on use of Mutt with sb_filter. Message-ID: <20040727135215.GC17619@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> In the section of the documentation headed SbFilter there is the suggestion to aid training by putting the lines: Bind "S" to "refile as spam" Bind "H" to "refile as ham" This is not even close to being the correct syntax for the bind command for mutt (at least under linux). Does any one know what the correct syntax is? -- ------------------------------------------- Aaron Konstam Computer Science Trinity University One Trinity Place. San Antonio, TX 78212-7200 telephone: (210)-999-7484 email:akonstam@trinity.edu From richie at entrian.com Tue Jul 27 20:18:50 2004 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Tue Jul 27 20:18:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Question on use of Mutt with sb_filter. In-Reply-To: <20040727135215.GC17619@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> References: <20040727135215.GC17619@Moof.cs.trinity.edu> Message-ID: [Aaron] > In the section of the documentation headed SbFilter there is the > suggestion to aid training by putting the lines: > Bind "S" to "refile as spam" > Bind "H" to "refile as ham" > > This is not even close to being the correct syntax for the bind command > for mutt (at least under linux). Does any one know what the correct syntax is? There's a sample muttrc in the contrib directory of the source tree, which you can see here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/spambayes/spambayes/contrib/muttrc?rev=1.5&view=markup -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Jul 28 01:47:03 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Jul 28 01:47:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] cant use this program In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130734DC02@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781F0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Hi , thanx for getting back to me . 10B1 i thing is the > spambayes version. > I have win xp and Outlook express 6 . I had the pop3 server > and the 110 port > thing , but in the blanks after that , I didnt know or > understand what was wanted and the program isnt doing anything > at this point. , eric For Outlook Express, tick the "unsure" and "spam" boxes in the "Classify in subject: header" option, and that's all you need. You need to set Outlook Express to receive mail from "localhost" and not your mail server. Have you done this? Once you've done both of those things, mail should arrive in OE tagged with "spam," or "unsure," in the subject line. You can then create OE rules to do whatever you like with them. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From Myree30 at aol.com Wed Jul 28 15:51:02 2004 From: Myree30 at aol.com (Myree30@aol.com) Date: Wed Jul 28 15:51:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Retrieve a deleted/noted SPAM email Message-ID: <103.4b7a4021.2e390946@aol.com> hi, i deletd the whole spam file when i was trying to delete individually. can i retrieve the spam deletes?/ thanks j denicco -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 29 00:57:58 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 29 00:58:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambays Issue In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130734DEFC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13046781FB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have loaded Spambays but I don't see the tool bar. > How can I get the tool bar to appear? I couldn't load it > (at work) so I had the administrator load it. > Is that the problem? I can get to the program under my > login, but there's no tool bar. By default, the plug-in is only installed for the current user, so yes, this is probably the problem (unless the administrator installed for all users). In the "About" page, there are instructions for installing for all users - you (or your administrator) will need to either do that, or just install when logged in as you. > I have Spambays on my laptop too but it isn't learning. > Everything goes to Junk or Spam. How can I fix that too? Are you using the "Recover from spam" button? Have you given it any ham to train on via the "Training" tab of the SpamBayes Manager? =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Jul 29 06:41:05 2004 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Jul 29 06:41:11 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] cant use this program In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130734E2C3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130467820F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > What im guessing i do is click on the icon in my task bar > and when the page comes up, train the message as spam. Yes, every now and then (probably each time you check your mail at first, but pretty soon every few days should be sufficient) you'll want to train the system on both ham (good mail) and spam (junk mail). > I don't > understand what the instructions meant by dbx or mbox file? A dbx file is what Outlook Express stores it's messages in. A mbox file is what most other mail programs store their messages in (or close enough). If you want to train a whole lot of messages at once, you can use this: put them in a folder, then select the folder's dbx file. If you're just training individual messages, which is usually better, then you can ignore that. > It seems like alot of work to train each email. It's to train a whole lot of messages at once (for example, giving the system some initial training, based on good and bad mail that you happen to have around). There's no need to do it for single messages. > Can i just save a pile of deleted ones and somehow get it someplace > where i can tell the program its all spam? This is the idea - put them all in a folder, and then select the dbx file by that name. > This isnt a program that just works i gather. it seems like for it to work, > i have to do alot of stuff , is that accurate. You have to train it, yes - that's what makes it good. There are spam filters that don't need training, but these typically have a fixed rule set. That means that someone else decides what is good mail and what is bad. With SpamBayes, *you* train it to recognise what *you* think is good and what *you* think is bad. If you like offers for fake diplomas, and hate mail from Uncle Joe, then you can train it like that - SpamBayes won't care. However, SpamBayes learns pretty quickly. You shouldn't have to train it for long before it's very accurate. Probably the best training method for you is to just train on anything that SpamBayes gets wrong - i.e. any mail that it is unsure about, and any ham it calls spam and spam it calls ham. Pretty quickly there won't be much of that, so you won't have to do much training. It sounds like you're not aware of the "Review" page, either. There's a link to this from the main page, plus one from the tray application. From here, you get presented with a list of all the messages that SpamBayes has classified recently, and you indicate what training you would like to do. You can set the defaults to whatever you like, so training should be a very quick exercise. =Tony Meyer --- Please always include the list (spambayes@python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. This way, you get everyone's help, and avoid a lack of replies when I'm busy. From sloanb at swbell.net Thu Jul 29 16:27:40 2004 From: sloanb at swbell.net (Sloan Brooks) Date: Thu Jul 29 16:27:13 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] bug Message-ID: My mailer is sending mail with the subject re: snake to my contact list. How do I prevent this or stop this bug. spambayes is always enabled. system win 98/spambayes 1.0 Thanks, Sloan From tim.peters at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 17:08:41 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Jul 29 17:08:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1f7befae040729080874655208@mail.gmail.com> [Sloan Brooks] > My mailer is sending mail with the subject re: snake to my contact list. > How do I prevent this or stop this bug. spambayes is always enabled. > system win 98/spambayes 1.0 Scan your machine for viruses.. SB didn't cause it, and can't stop it (in other words, SB is irrelevant; SB never *sends* email, and doesn't even contain code to access your address book). If you don't have virus-scanning software, you can get a good one-time scan for free here: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ From kennypitt at hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 17:30:07 2004 From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt) Date: Thu Jul 29 17:30:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] bug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sloan Brooks wrote: > My mailer is sending mail with the subject re: snake to my contact > list. How do I prevent this or stop this bug. spambayes is always > enabled. system win 98/spambayes 1.0 SpamBayes doesn't get involved in the sending of mail from Outlook. It sounds like you have a virus, so I would suggest getting a good anti-virus program and scanning your system. -- Kenny Pitt From Laura.Myatt at dfs.com Thu Jul 29 23:11:08 2004 From: Laura.Myatt at dfs.com (Myatt, Laura) Date: Thu Jul 29 23:41:44 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem Message-ID: Hi, I recently downloaded your software into my boss's computer and all her emails are automatically going into her junk email file. I have been using spambayes for months now and love it. I have not had the same problem as she. My suspects will go into my suspect file. I have compared our set-up and they are identical so I am unsure how to resolve. Through the manager, on the general tab, enable spambayes is checked. The filtering tab, certain spam is to go into the junk file and possible spam is going to suspects. The training tab in the incremental training section both boxes are checked. Any other suggestions that would direct her suspects into the suspect file instead of the junk file would be appreciated. Thank you for your assistance, Laura -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kim TekGems (800) 672-7965 toll free (415) 401-8716 main (415) 651-9398 fax http://www.TekGems.com From lylesj002 at hawaii.rr.com Fri Jul 30 07:49:03 2004 From: lylesj002 at hawaii.rr.com (Jerome Lyles) Date: Fri Jul 30 07:49:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Permission denied Message-ID: <200407291949.03935.lylesj002@hawaii.rr.com> Hello, I've been using spambayes 1.0a7 for about a year now with no problems and it works great. Now however I can't start the server. The error output is: ~> python /home/myhome/spambayes-1.0a7/scripts/sb_server.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/adriel/spambayes-1.0a7/scripts/sb_server.py", line 100, in ? import spambayes.message File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 198, in ? msginfoDB = MessageInfoDB(message_info_db_name) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 162, in __init__ self.load() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 166, in load self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 60, in open return f(db_name, mode) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 20, in open_dbhash return bsddb.hashopen(*args) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", line 192, in hashopen d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode) bsddb._db.DBAccessError: (13, 'Permission denied') Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'MessageInfoDB' object has no attribute 'db'" in > ignored What do I do to correct this? Thanks, Jerome From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Fri Jul 30 13:27:56 2004 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Fri Jul 30 13:27:59 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] bug Message-ID: <42393C9DA7930245AB540667607F4F500213FFC4@SPIKE.city> Having Spambayes enabled won't help you. It scans only for spam, not for viruses. The quick fix, until you can do a virus scan, would be to temporarily move the contacts to another directory where the virus (probably) won't find them. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Sloan Brooks > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:28 AM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] bug > > > My mailer is sending mail with the subject re: snake to my contact list. > How do I prevent this or stop this bug. spambayes is always enabled. > system win 98/spambayes 1.0 > > Thanks, Sloan > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > From skip at pobox.com Fri Jul 30 16:07:56 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Jul 30 16:08:30 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Permission denied In-Reply-To: <200407291949.03935.lylesj002@hawaii.rr.com> References: <200407291949.03935.lylesj002@hawaii.rr.com> Message-ID: <16650.22076.378796.904905@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jerome> I've been using spambayes 1.0a7 for about a year now with no Jerome> problems and it works great. Now however I can't start the Jerome> server. The error output is: ... Jerome> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", line 192, in hashopen Jerome> d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode) Jerome> bsddb._db.DBAccessError: (13, 'Permission denied') Jerome> Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'MessageInfoDB' object has no attribute Jerome> 'db'" in > ignored Jerome> What do I do to correct this? Find out where the file trying to be opened is located and correct its permissions. Look in your options file for the persistent_storage_file setting. The options file is either specified by the BAYESCUSTOMIZE environment variable or is bayescustomize.ini in the directory where sb_server.py was started or ~/.spambayesrc. If there is no persistent_storage_file set it defaults to a file named hammie.db in the startup directory. (Perhaps you are starting sb_server.py up from a new location which happens to have a hammie.db file.) -- Skip Montanaro Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/submit.html Got spam? http://www.spambayes.org/ skip@pobox.com From theatre at rosebudtheatre.com Fri Jul 30 17:32:28 2004 From: theatre at rosebudtheatre.com (Mark Lewandowski) Date: Fri Jul 30 18:36:03 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Recognizing Posts vs E-mails Message-ID: <69F6FCE12A211441A6747D7E6E3BAA7708882E@ns1-rosebud.rosebudschoolofthearts.com> OK, so I've found a work around to get SpamBayes to work on public folders, IF I can get it to recognize posted messages as well as e-mails. I've set it up to filter the public folder to a personal mailbox. I will then share the database with all the moderators of that public folder. (If that doesn't work, I'll just have one moderator dealing with spam.) This works great with e-mail message that I send to the folder. But doesn't solve my problem. For some reason (by design?), anyone outside our organization that sends an e-mail message to a public folder gets listed as a post and SpamBayes doesn't recognize these as "filterable" messages. Is there a way to make a SpamBayes deal with posts, filtering out spam? Mark Lewandowski -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040730/977e6a66/attachment.html From jsp at PKC.com Thu Jul 29 16:44:06 2004 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri Jul 30 18:41:10 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Outlook feature request Message-ID: <072fb44d80f90259007ae44c48411e14410a7a1b@pkc.com> My apologies if this is a duplicate request. I couldn't find a way to search the archive. First the request, then the rationale. I'd like to have an option to specify how Not Spam (ham) messages are handled. At present, you can specify how Certain Spam and Possible Spam should be handled - left alone, moved to some folder, marked as read, etc. I'd like to be have the same options for messages that SpamBayes is certain are not spam. I can't find a way to do that using the SpamBayes Manager dialog. Now the rationale. In a sense, this is a question of completeness: if this is implemented, you can configure SpamBayes to do something with every single message it sees. My motivation is less aesthetic - in fact, I think it's pretty ugly. For reasons beyond my control (I suspect the configuration of so-called "Intelligent Message Filtering" on my company's Exchange server), bucketloads of spam, possible spam, and ham end up in folders called "Junk E-mail" and "Junk E-mail candidates." It's easy enough to tell SpamBayes to filter messages that show up in these folders and move spam and possible spam to different folders, but messages that SpamBayes recognizes as ham remain in one of the Junk folders. I'd like to be able to ignore the Junk folders altogether, which would be possible if I could configure SpamBayes to move every message it sees to an appropriate folder. Thanks for a wonderfully useful piece of software! From jsp at PKC.com Thu Jul 29 16:39:46 2004 From: jsp at PKC.com (Jesse Pelton) Date: Fri Jul 30 18:41:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] bug Message-ID: <597d6a98c094b592d21a26ac536de5a9410a7a1c@pkc.com> It sounds from your brief description like your anti-virus software, if any, missed something, in which case your system needs to be disinfected. -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Sloan Brooks Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:28 AM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] bug My mailer is sending mail with the subject re: snake to my contact list. How do I prevent this or stop this bug. spambayes is always enabled. system win 98/spambayes 1.0 Thanks, Sloan From postmaster at amnesty.org Tue Jul 27 02:51:06 2004 From: postmaster at amnesty.org (InterScan MSS Notification) Date: Fri Jul 30 18:57:15 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Virus found, original message not delivered. Message-ID: <20040727015245.0FBC01A22A@rooster.amnesty.org> Your email address has been used to send us a message. A virus was found and so your message has been deleted. It has not been delivered to the intended recipient, and they have not been informed. If you want your message to be received, please re-send to the intended recipient without a virus. From skip at pobox.com Fri Jul 30 19:27:28 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Jul 30 19:27:45 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Recognizing Posts vs E-mails In-Reply-To: <69F6FCE12A211441A6747D7E6E3BAA7708882E@ns1-rosebud.rosebudschoolofthearts.com> References: <69F6FCE12A211441A6747D7E6E3BAA7708882E@ns1-rosebud.rosebudschoolofthearts.com> Message-ID: <16650.34048.204732.515267@montanaro.dyndns.org> Mark> OK, so I've found a work around to get SpamBayes to work on public Mark> folders, IF I can get it to recognize posted messages as well as Mark> e-mails. You lost me. What's the difference between a "posted message" and an "email"? Skip From postmaster at amnesty.org Wed Jul 28 10:09:57 2004 From: postmaster at amnesty.org (InterScan MSS Notification) Date: Fri Jul 30 19:47:53 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Virus found, original message not delivered. Message-ID: <20040728090826.5D3681A419@rooster.amnesty.org> Your email address has been used to send us a message. A virus was found and so your message has been deleted. It has not been delivered to the intended recipient, and they have not been informed. If you want your message to be received, please re-send to the intended recipient without a virus. From theatre at rosebudtheatre.com Fri Jul 30 22:08:49 2004 From: theatre at rosebudtheatre.com (Mark Lewandowski) Date: Fri Jul 30 22:09:05 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Recognizing Posts vs E-mails Message-ID: <69F6FCE12A211441A6747D7E6E3BAA77032E31@ns1-rosebud.rosebudschoolofthearts.com> In a public folder in Outlook, you can post a message (by creating a new message when you are inside the folder) or send an e-mail to a folder. If the person is outside the network, it will translate an e-mail message into a posted message. A posted message is declared by an icon that looks like a paper with a push-pin in it. An e-mail is an envelope (either open or closed depending on read status). They are different mainly in that posted messages will list conversations (and groups them by that conversation). There are other differences about how you can handle them, but I don't know if these are simply cosmetic. I don't know how to examine the code to give a more precise answer. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com] Sent: July 30, 2004 11:27 AM To: Mark Lewandowski Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Recognizing Posts vs E-mails Mark> OK, so I've found a work around to get SpamBayes to work on public Mark> folders, IF I can get it to recognize posted messages as well as Mark> e-mails. You lost me. What's the difference between a "posted message" and an "email"? Skip From difantefam at chilitech.com Fri Jul 30 22:34:30 2004 From: difantefam at chilitech.com (Archie DiFante) Date: Fri Jul 30 22:41:51 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes stopped working Message-ID: <000a01c47674$b5a3a0a0$a2358b41@pavilion> Hello peoples! We have Spambayes and have used it for some time, but just now it stopped coming up. Every time we try to start it up, we get an error message telling us to look at the .LOG file. Looking there, we find this: Traceback (most recent call last): File "pop3proxy_tray.py", line 44, in ? File "win32api.pyc", line 9, in ? File "win32api.pyc", line 7, in __load ImportError: DLL load failed: A device attached to the system is not functioning. Did read the troubleshooting guide. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040730/d65cafb2/attachment.html From stuart at krivis.com Sat Jul 31 13:44:56 2004 From: stuart at krivis.com (Stuart Krivis) Date: Sat Jul 31 13:45:17 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Linux interface not user friendly In-Reply-To: <200407220050.35599.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk> References: <000001c46ea6$cf59eca0$7500a8c0@panther> <200407220050.35599.tdickenson@devmail.geminidataloggers.co.uk> Message-ID: <410B8638.7070803@krivis.com> Toby Dickenson wrote: > On Tuesday 20 July 2004 23:13, Mark Ricketts wrote: > >>I'll start donating money when you guys make the linux interface as easy to >>use as the windows interface. > > > As with most things linux vs windows, the linux solution is a little harder to > set up. Partly because you first have to *choose* which components to use and > partly because your have to manually connect those components together. But > that gives you more flexibility of options, and some of the options are > arguably easier to use than the outlook plugin once your installation process > is complete. > I'll ignore a lot of the underlying issues that could be discussed and simply say that "the linux interface" is easier to use than the "windows interface." I use SpamBayes with Thunderbird and was running it locally on my Windows box, but moved SpamBayes to my Solaris box. SpamBayes was easier to install and configure on unix (although it wasn't hard on Windows either) and it's "easier" to use on unix. So start donating that money. :-) -- Stuart Krivis stuart@krivis.com From RCResink at RCResink.nl Sat Jul 31 15:29:49 2004 From: RCResink at RCResink.nl (R.C. Resink) Date: Sat Jul 31 15:25:36 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Call for help Message-ID: <001201c47702$7427c5a0$0a64a8c0@rcresink> Dear spam fighters, Sorry to bother you this way, but pushing the send-button in the help section of the configure htm, did not tell whether a mail was sent to you or not. I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc2 (June 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 1). I have trained 0 ham and 0 spam. The problem I am having is that there are no messages to view or for training, allthough I received quite a few emails, many of which spam. I followed all steps in your readme html after installing 3 days ago. I had a difficult time with the 'Using the Service' chapter, having to dig DOS out of ancient memory and to understand the instructions trying to translate menus to my language, 'Administrative tools' is translated to 'System Tools' in Dutch. An area that almost nobody uses I would think. Also FYI I had trouble understanding what user account you meant: e-mail account? That did not work but my log-on accountname worked. I believe the next step Configuration 1. SetUp SpamBayes worked. But I could not work out point 2. SetUp your mail client. I cannot find anything about 'mail client' or 'local host' options. Could that be the reasons that my e-mails are not read by your program? I am above average knowledgeable in computers and software (I also program in VB and Paradox) and I could imagine that quite a few people would find it difficult to follow these steps. For example the word 'server' does not mean much to me. I think that that is another computer. I am adding all these details to this call for help. Not at all to complain, just in case the feedback may be useful in your quest to kill spam. Also FYI, Trident Software Support drew my attention to your efforts and software trough an auto-responder. If you can give me a hint on how to get the programme to work, I would be very grateful. Thank you, R.C. Resink -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040731/3bef1bd3/attachment.htm From robert at imagine.co.uk Sat Jul 31 16:06:26 2004 From: robert at imagine.co.uk (Robert Neuschul) Date: Sat Jul 31 16:06:29 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Illogicality in the Web UI? Message-ID: Hi folks Using the web interface to review messages there's a slightly irritating illogicality. Go to the Review messages page in the web UI and work your way through a couple of hundred emails, checking the current classications. As you get to the end of the list of emails there's one item which seems to be wrong: so you decide to check the clues. All seems well, so you return to the Review page - and find that the web interface has thrown away all your carefully classified selections and reverted to where you first started classifying. Whilst it's not a show stopping event, it's extremely irritating, and slows down the process. ISTM that either the link to the "Clue" page should open it in a new window, so that closing it won't affect the main Review page, or that when clicking the Clue page link, the current status of the Review page should be cached and restored when one has finished examining clues. Robert. From Jim at ContemporaryCatholic.org Sat Jul 31 17:01:56 2004 From: Jim at ContemporaryCatholic.org (Jim Burch) Date: Sat Jul 31 17:02:28 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help Message-ID: <000e01c4770f$52648270$6401a8c0@Jim> Thanks so much for this great software! You are the saving force! My file "junk email" has disappeared from the left column of my Outlook. I know some good emails are still going in there, as the program is still training, and I guess always will be to some degree. But I need to see the "junk email" file to retrieve the good stuff and slide it over to the inbox. Can you tell me where it went and how to get it back in the left-hand options box in Outlook? (I read the on-line manual, but frankly am not too good at this and could not figure out the answer to this question.) I am not sure which version I have, only that it is about two months old, so is probably a newer version. Thanks so much! Jim Burch Jim@ContemporaryCatholic.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20040731/736303bf/attachment.html From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com Sat Jul 31 17:54:27 2004 From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker) Date: Sat Jul 31 17:54:23 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Illogicality in the Web UI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While I understand your argument and agree something should be done, I can think of two workarounds. First you could right-click (ctrl-click for us mac users) on the link and open it in a new window. Or you select ignore on the ones you want clues for, submit the page and go back to training to deal them. On Jul 31, 2004, at 10:06 AM, Robert Neuschul wrote: > ISTM that either the link to the "Clue" page should open it in a new > window, so that closing it won't affect the main Review page, or that > when clicking the Clue page link, the current status of the Review page > should be cached and restored when one has finished examining clues. From skip at pobox.com Sat Jul 31 20:29:50 2004 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Sat Jul 31 20:29:57 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Illogicality in the Web UI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16651.58654.690749.739359@montanaro.dyndns.org> Robert> Go to the Review messages page in the web UI and work your way Robert> through a couple of hundred emails, checking the current Robert> classications. As you get to the end of the list of emails Robert> there's one item which seems to be wrong: so you decide to check Robert> the clues. All seems well, so you return to the Review page - Robert> and find that the web interface has thrown away all your Robert> carefully classified selections and reverted to where you first Robert> started classifying. This is, unfortunately, a feature of your web browser. Some browsers simply insist on refetching the page when you hit the back button. I'm not sure if there's anything the sb_server.py-generated HTML can do to keep that from happening (maybe there's some magic HTTP header that will stop it). I suppose we could add a "target" attribute to the clues links to force the clues pages to open in a new window. I'd personally find that a bit annoying though. (My browser, Safari, doesn't suffer from reload-itis.) Is there some way you can force the clues page to open in a new window (button 2 click, hold down a modifier key, whatever)? What about using a different browser? If so, that would be a reasonable workaround until a more generally acceptable solution can be found. Skip From nicholas at pdsys.org Sat Jul 31 21:00:45 2004 From: nicholas at pdsys.org (Nicholas) Date: Sat Jul 31 21:00:12 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Illogicality in the Web UI? In-Reply-To: <16651.58654.690749.739359@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Skip, Why not use JavaScript to open a new window? Then you could control the size of the new window, as well as the other properties JavaScript would offer you (and that target=_blank would not.) I'm for either idea, though. It definitely should open in a new window, and in fact that was the behavior I was expecting when I first started to goof with the web interface. -Nicholas > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] > On Behalf Of Skip Montanaro > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 11:30 AM > To: robert@imagine.co.uk > Cc: SpamBayes@python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Illogicality in the Web UI? > > This is, unfortunately, a feature of your web browser. Some browsers > simply > insist on refetching the page when you hit the back button. I'm not sure > if > there's anything the sb_server.py-generated HTML can do to keep that from > happening (maybe there's some magic HTTP header that will stop it). I > suppose we could add a "target" attribute to the clues links to force the > clues pages to open in a new window. I'd personally find that a bit > annoying though. (My browser, Safari, doesn't suffer from reload-itis.) > Is > there some way you can force the clues page to open in a new window > (button > 2 click, hold down a modifier key, whatever)? What about using a > different > browser? If so, that would be a reasonable workaround until a more > generally acceptable solution can be found. > > Skip From Amir_Katz at bmc.com Sat Jul 31 22:55:38 2004 From: Amir_Katz at bmc.com (Katz, Amir) Date: Sat Jul 31 22:55:46 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Illogicality in the Web UI? Message-ID: If you use Mozilla or FireFox, you can simply open the clues link with Click+Control-T, which will open it in another tab in the same browser. The first tab still shows the classified list. Problem solved. Amir -----Original Message----- From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 21:30 To: robert@imagine.co.uk Cc: SpamBayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Illogicality in the Web UI? Robert> Go to the Review messages page in the web UI and work your way Robert> through a couple of hundred emails, checking the current Robert> classications. As you get to the end of the list of emails Robert> there's one item which seems to be wrong: so you decide to check Robert> the clues. All seems well, so you return to the Review page - Robert> and find that the web interface has thrown away all your Robert> carefully classified selections and reverted to where you first Robert> started classifying. This is, unfortunately, a feature of your web browser. Some browsers simply insist on refetching the page when you hit the back button. I'm not sure if there's anything the sb_server.py-generated HTML can do to keep that from happening (maybe there's some magic HTTP header that will stop it). I suppose we could add a "target" attribute to the clues links to force the clues pages to open in a new window. I'd personally find that a bit annoying though. (My browser, Safari, doesn't suffer from reload-itis.) Is there some way you can force the clues page to open in a new window (button 2 click, hold down a modifier key, whatever)? What about using a different browser? If so, that would be a reasonable workaround until a more generally acceptable solution can be found. Skip _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From kerhop at oz.net Sat Jul 31 23:49:40 2004 From: kerhop at oz.net (kerhop@oz.net) Date: Sat Jul 31 23:49:43 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with POP3 Proxy: Save and Restore Default buttons are too close Message-ID: <20040731214941.C00081E4002@bag.python.org> I am using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Version 1.0rc2 (June 2004) (binary), with version 2.3.3 (#51, Feb 13 2004, 14:39:56) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] of Python; my operating system is Windows 5.1.2600.2 (Service Pack 1). I have trained 844 ham and 3015 spam. The problem I am having is occasionally I'll make a configuration change, but accidently move the mouse slightly causing a click on the restore-defaults button instead thus loosing my custom settings. I'd like to see a future version with restore-defaults located far away from the save/advanced/experimental buttons or at least add a "are you sure?" prompt. From tim.peters at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 23:58:38 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Sat Jul 31 23:58:42 2004 Subject: [Spambayes] Help In-Reply-To: <000e01c4770f$52648270$6401a8c0@Jim> References: <000e01c4770f$52648270$6401a8c0@Jim> Message-ID: <1f7befae04073114583bacb725@mail.gmail.com> [Jim Burch] > Thanks so much for this great software! You are the saving force! You're welcome! > My file "junk email" has disappeared from the left column of my Outlook. ... Please see this FAQ entry: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html#help-i-deleted-the-unsure-spam-folder