From JJ708 at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov  1 08:09:10 2003
From: JJ708 at bellsouth.net (John Jones)
Date: Sat Nov  1 08:09:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error on install -  release 0.81 on Outlook 2002
Message-ID: <000201c3a079$5a7e00c0$77a0d6d1@IBMR32>

 
Release .7 also receives the same error as documented below
 
Thanks
 
John Jones
JJ708@bellsouth.net
 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Jones [mailto:JJ708@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:59 PM
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Subject: Unable to install on Outlook 2002
 
 
When I attempt to install release 0.81 on Outlook 2002 (on Windows XP) I
receive the following error message.
 
Unable to register DLL/OCX:  Dll Register server failed; code
0x00000000.
 
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
Thanks 
 
John Jones
JJ708@bellsouth.net
From weatherman55 at optonline.net  Sat Nov  1 16:31:56 2003
From: weatherman55 at optonline.net (Danny)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:28:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <NNEFLOLLAPHAEFEPLKMEMEFFDIAA.weatherman55@optonline.net>

V 0.81
WinXPPro

When I try to recover emails from "Junk Suspects" they completely
disappear....I cannot find them.
Please tell me
1. where they are
2. how i can stop this from happening.
Thank you



From rowdanny at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  1 16:51:24 2003
From: rowdanny at hotmail.com (Danny .)
Date: Sat Nov  1 16:51:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] lost email
Message-ID: <Law11-F6899ALpybtU900031228@hotmail.com>

When i try to recover an email from the "junk suspects" it disappears. A 
search comes up empty.
Can anyone tell me
1. where to find these emails and
2. how to stop this behavior?
Thanks
Danny

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From olli.marttila at kolumbus.fi  Sat Nov  1 19:27:46 2003
From: olli.marttila at kolumbus.fi (Olli J. Marttila)
Date: Sat Nov  1 19:27:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation difficulties / SuSE/KMail/IMAP
Message-ID: <200311020227.46998.olli.marttila@kolumbus.fi>

Please, help!

I am at loss with installing spambayes. I have tried to get 
it installed innumerable hours in two weeks. Sigh...

OS: SuSE Linux, version 8.2 Personal. 
IMAP protocol (kolumbus.fi)
Python 2.3.2 (#1, Oct 23 2003, 00:59:25) 
[GCC 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)] on linux2
Spambayes-1.0a6
Mail programme: KMail


1. I downloaded spambayes-1.0a6.1.tar.gz and detarred it in 
directory /downloads/spambayes-1.0a6 as root.

2. In that directory I run ./setup.py install. Thereafter I 
deleted the directory in question, again as root. 

3. I opened X window as marttila and run 
'/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -b' 
with the following result message:

--<snip>--

SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 
0.02 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

You do not have a dbm module available to use.  
You need to either use a pickle (see the FAQ), use Python 
2.3 (or above), or install a dbm module such as bsddb (see 
http://sf.net/projects/pybsddb).

--<snip>--

What does this mean? I _have_ Python 2.3 installed, as seen 
above. 
I also have installed Berkeley DB, version 4.1.2.5 and 
bsddb3-4.1.6, just in case ...

Building bsddb3 ('python setup.py build') seemed to go 
through without any complaints. However 'python test.py' 
complained about ImportError: libdb-4.1.so: cannot open 
shared object file: No such file or directory.

However, 'locate libdb-4.1.so' tells that the library in 
question is in the directory 
/usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.1/lib/.

Whatever I do, the only result of my installation attempts 
is the above message complaining about a missing dbm 
module. 

Am I dumb - inexperienced I am, sure - as so many seem to 
have succeeded in installing Spambayes - or is there 
something missing from the installation directions?

Olli J. Marttila

From spambayes at whateley.com  Sat Nov  1 20:08:16 2003
From: spambayes at whateley.com (Brendon)
Date: Sat Nov  1 20:08:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation difficulties / SuSE/KMail/IMAP
In-Reply-To: <200311020227.46998.olli.marttila@kolumbus.fi>
References: <200311020227.46998.olli.marttila@kolumbus.fi>
Message-ID: <200311011708.16510.spambayes@whateley.com>

Try typing "python -V" at a command prompt.  You may have two versions of 
python on your machine and could be picking up an older one in the path.

Brendon

On Saturday 01 November 2003 04:27 pm, Olli J. Marttila wrote:
> Please, help!
>
> I am at loss with installing spambayes. I have tried to get
> it installed innumerable hours in two weeks. Sigh...
>
> OS: SuSE Linux, version 8.2 Personal.
> IMAP protocol (kolumbus.fi)
> Python 2.3.2 (#1, Oct 23 2003, 00:59:25)
> [GCC 3.3 20030226 (prerelease) (SuSE Linux)] on linux2
> Spambayes-1.0a6
> Mail programme: KMail
>
>
> 1. I downloaded spambayes-1.0a6.1.tar.gz and detarred it in
> directory /downloads/spambayes-1.0a6 as root.
>
> 2. In that directory I run ./setup.py install. Thereafter I
> deleted the directory in question, again as root.
>
> 3. I opened X window as marttila and run
> '/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -b'
> with the following result message:
>
> --<snip>--
>
> SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003),
> using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version
> 0.02 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).
>
> You do not have a dbm module available to use.
> You need to either use a pickle (see the FAQ), use Python
> 2.3 (or above), or install a dbm module such as bsddb (see
> http://sf.net/projects/pybsddb).
>
> --<snip>--
>
> What does this mean? I _have_ Python 2.3 installed, as seen
> above.
> I also have installed Berkeley DB, version 4.1.2.5 and
> bsddb3-4.1.6, just in case ...
>
> Building bsddb3 ('python setup.py build') seemed to go
> through without any complaints. However 'python test.py'
> complained about ImportError: libdb-4.1.so: cannot open
> shared object file: No such file or directory.
>
> However, 'locate libdb-4.1.so' tells that the library in
> question is in the directory
> /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.1/lib/.
>
> Whatever I do, the only result of my installation attempts
> is the above message complaining about a missing dbm
> module.
>
> Am I dumb - inexperienced I am, sure - as so many seem to
> have succeeded in installing Spambayes - or is there
> something missing from the installation directions?
>
> Olli J. Marttila
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From jabailo at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  2 02:12:42 2003
From: jabailo at earthlink.net (j. a. bailo)
Date: Sun Nov  2 02:12:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Sending on smtp proxy with Evolution
Message-ID: <20275462.1067757162671.JavaMail.root@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>


I am a spam bayes newbie.

Using:
  Redhat Linux 9
  Evolution mail client
  Earthlink ISP

I set up the pop3 proxy easily.   It does not do any spam catching yet but I have not yet 'trained' it.

The smpt proxy is the problem:

0. I set up the smtp outbound proxy for localhost:9002 then configured Evolution to use
localhost:9002 as the sending mail server instead of mail.earthlink.net.

The mail is not able to be sent - -I am guessing because mail.earthlink.net requires authentication
in order to send mail.   How do I configure the proxy to use authentication ?

Oddly, the pop3 proxy, which also requires authentication seems to work fine (!?)

Once I solve this I can start training spam bayes by sending mail to the spam address @ localhost.

ps -- what is 'ham' ?  I read about it in several places but did not see a hyperlink or definition to explain what
it is.

Thanks,
john bailo

______________________
j. a. bailo

From jchaines at qwest.net  Sun Nov  2 13:36:38 2003
From: jchaines at qwest.net (jchaines)
Date: Sun Nov  2 14:44:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Addin does not load - Buttons Not Removed With
Message-ID: <ALEEKHDBCMBBFEAJEKOPEEPLCBAA.jchaines@qwest.net>

Hello from Colorado,

I have the almost the exact same problem that you sent in. The difference is
that I somehow did manage to get rid of the Spambayes icons in my Outlook
window by accidentally clicking around in the area of the icons as sown
below. I thought I was changing from the inbox to the Sent box when all of
the Spambayes related icons disappeared including those under the Folder
List section!

After removing every trace of SpamBayes that I could locate, I have
subsequently tried several times to reinstall Spambayes with no success.

Did you ever get a useful response to your posting? Is so, I?d love to see
the answer.

Thanks,
            Jim Haines.


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From brian at jocund.net  Sun Nov  2 20:31:38 2003
From: brian at jocund.net (Brian C. Kiefer)
Date: Sun Nov  2 20:31:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problem when starting outlook after the first time
	starting after installation
Message-ID: <000001c3a1aa$3bdbaaf0$3200a8c0@case>

Hi,


When I first installed SpamBayes, it ran correctly the first time.  I
trained it.  It worked well.  The next time I started Outlook (shutdown
properly), it asked if I wanted to disable the plug-in or continue with
it not work.  When I choose to continue, Outlook crashes.  It fails in
the following DLL: shlwapi.dll, ModVer: 6.0.3790.0.

I am running SpamBayes 008.1 and Outlook 10.0.2627.1.


Below is the copy of the SpamBaye logs.


Sincerely,

Brian Kiefer



-=-=-=-=-= Begin Log =-=-=-=-=-=-
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\kieferbc\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\kieferbc\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 195 spam and 0 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003)
starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.2.3790 ()
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit
(Intel)]
-=-=-=-=-= End Log =-=-=-=-=-=-


From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Sun Nov  2 20:51:42 2003
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Sun Nov  2 20:51:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] using external DNSBL's with Outlook
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAAEBPFJAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

Even though the FAQ clearly states that *ideally*, DNSBL's are done at the
server level, many of us are stuck with ISP's who do little, if any of this.
Personally, I would prefer SMTP rejects at the server for MX's listed on
selected DNSBL's, but since I don't run my own mail server, I don't have
this option.  Therefore, I have taken to using a POP3 proxy to check several
external DNSBL's and filter based on the results.  When there is a hit on an
external list, the POP3 proxy adds an "X-" type header line to identify the
source of the hit.  I then have an Outlook rule that filters on that header
line and moves the message to the spam folder.

I would like to figure out a way to best use this added information along
with SpamBayes.  As I don't know how the SpamBayes Outlook plug-in fits into
the hierarchy of POP3 email processing, it is hard for me to figure out what
to do.  Before installing SpamBayes, my POP3 email went through the
following processing hierarchy (as far as I know):

1) anti-virus filters email coming in on port 110
2) POP3 proxy checks header IP addresses against external DNSBL's
3) Outlook2000 processes message rules

The FAQ talks about a POP3 proxy component, but I don't think this applies
to the Outlook plug-in.  How does the SpamBayes Outlook plug-in fit in with
the above processing hierarchy?  When exactly does SpamBayes get to work on
a message?  There is some mention in the FAQ about "fighting" between
SpamBayes and the Outlook rule processing, and suggests that the background
filtering option will fix this.  How does the background filtering option
affect the processing order?  What point in time are the processing delays
in the control panel for background processing referenced to?

There is also mention in the FAQ about an "incremental" training mode where
all the incoming mail is included in the database.  Is this the default
processing mode?  If not, do you recommend this and how do I enable it?

Thanks for a great program!

Regards,

Seth Goodman

Goodman Associates, LLC





From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 21:25:55 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov  2 21:25:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] using external DNSBL's with Outlook
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAAEBPFJAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEEKGOAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Seth Goodman]
> ...
> Before installing SpamBayes, my POP3 email went through the following
> processing hierarchy (as far as I know):
>
> 1) anti-virus filters email coming in on port 110
> 2) POP3 proxy checks header IP addresses against external DNSBL's

The Outlook plug-in doesn't use a proxy.

2') Outlook sucks the email of your POP3 server, and stores it in
    its own internal format.

> 3) Outlook2000 processes message rules
>
> The FAQ talks about a POP3 proxy component, but I don't think this
> applies to the Outlook plug-in.

That's right.

> How does the SpamBayes Outlook plug-in fit in with the above
> processing hierarchy?

Somewhere around #3.  In particular, your POP3 server is history by the time
the plugin sees a message.  Indeed, it's difficult for SpamBayes to try to
reconstruct the bytestream your POP3 server originally delivered (step 2'
turns it into quite a mess).

> When exactly does SpamBayes get to work on a message?

Heh:  nobody knows.  The Outlook rule system isn't strong enough to allow
plugging SpamBayes in as an Outlook rule, so instead SpamBayes hooks Outlook
"folder add" events.  Exactly when and why Outlook triggers one of those
events isn't documented by Microsoft, and appears to vary wildly depending
on Outlook version and system load.  Sometimes SpamBayes appears to see a
message before Outlook rules run, sometimes after they run, sometimes we
don't get notified about a new message at all, and sometimes we get notified
about a new message more than once (e.g., if an Outlook rule moves a message
and SpamBayes is set to watch both the Inbox and the destination folder, we
*might* be told about a message twice).

> There is some mention in the FAQ about "fighting" between SpamBayes
> and the Outlook rule processing, and suggests that the background
> filtering option will fix this.  How does the background filtering
> option affect the processing order?

It slows SpamBayes down a lot, under the empirically verified theory that
Outlook rules will more-than-less reliably run first then.  There's no way
we know of to make SpamBayes reliably run before Outlook rules run.

> What point in time are the processing delays in the control panel for
> background processing referenced to?

Stick the cursor inside one of the "seconds" boxes and hit F1.  A balloon
will pop up explaining what the value in that seconds-box controls.

> There is also mention in the FAQ about an "incremental" training mode
> where all the incoming mail is included in the database.  Is this the
> default processing mode?  If not, do you recommend this and how do I
> enable it?

That's not relevant to the Outlook plugin.


From rwschultz at pacbell.net  Sun Nov  2 21:50:43 2003
From: rwschultz at pacbell.net (Bob)
Date: Sun Nov  2 21:50:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] User and Password request
Message-ID: <E1AGUnj-0008Tv-Qi@mail.python.org>


I am trying to set up SpamBays with Windows XP Pro using the Express Plus email program. Downloads are all current versions. On running the scripts/sb_server.py -b command, I was able to configure the program for localhost, but then my email wouldn't work at all. I tried to go back into the configuration program to change to my machine name, but was asked for a user name and password. What user name and password does this want. I have tried all I can think of to no avail.

Thanks,

Bob



From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Sun Nov  2 23:45:51 2003
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Sun Nov  2 23:45:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] using external DNSBL's with Outlook
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEEKGOAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAMEDGFJAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> [Seth Goodman]
>
> > When exactly does SpamBayes get to work on a message?
>
> Heh:  nobody knows.  The Outlook rule system isn't strong enough to allow
> plugging SpamBayes in as an Outlook rule, so instead SpamBayes
> hooks Outlook
> "folder add" events.  Exactly when and why Outlook triggers one of those
> events isn't documented by Microsoft, and appears to vary wildly depending
> on Outlook version and system load.  Sometimes SpamBayes appears to see a
> message before Outlook rules run, sometimes after they run, sometimes we
> don't get notified about a new message at all, and sometimes we
> get notified
> about a new message more than once (e.g., if an Outlook rule
> moves a message
> and SpamBayes is set to watch both the Inbox and the destination
> folder, we
> *might* be told about a message twice).
>

That sounds like it was really hard to work around.  Microsoft probably
didn't document the relationship to the rule processor because they don't
really know themselves.  I bet there were too many people involved and the
code's an unholy mess.  The only way I can think of to avoid this (I'm sure
you folks have beat this one up and down) is to install yourself as a proxy
so you get the message before Outlook mangles it.  You'd have to mark up the
headers with the results and then have the Outlook rules process things
"normally".  Of course, that would make all the nice stuff that you've added
in Outlook nearly impossible.

This is a wonderful package you've put together.  I particularly appreciate
how easy it is to simultaneously retrain the classifier and move the message
to it's proper folder by just hitting a button.  That makes operation nearly
effortless.  I'll fool around with the background processing option to see
if I can get DNSBL tagged messages moved before SpamBayes classifies them.
Alternatively, is there some way that I can tell SpamBayes to tokenize the
particular X- header line that contains the DNSBL tag?  I'm not even certain
that would achieve the desired result.

Regards,

Seth Goodman

Goodman Associates, LLC


From sanjaydarisi at cox.net  Mon Nov  3 04:56:14 2003
From: sanjaydarisi at cox.net (Sanjay Darisi)
Date: Mon Nov  3 04:51:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with creating outlook binary installer!
In-Reply-To: <65i4uxd8.fsf@python.net>
References: <20031101101308.EFFQ24944.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>
	<65i4uxd8.fsf@python.net>
Message-ID: <3FA6263E.2010407@cox.net>

I am curious on how to make the spambayes outlook addin binary installer. Is py2exe used or McMillan installer? 'cos I tried with both and got errors. Like I tried using py2exe with setup_all.py file in the windows/py2exe dir and got a few errors regarding the options of py2exe like 'exclude-dll' etc. As Thomas Heller suggested, I have used the latest py2exe (0.5.0a4), win32all-161 and grabbed the cvs version of setup_all.py file. No luck :-( Now, i am getting import module - no module found regarding the typelib modules mentioned in the setup_all.py file. How to create binary installer for outlook addin?


Then i went back to McMillan installer and tried. I used the Outlook2000\installer\spambayes_addin.py|spec|iss files. I was able to get a .exe file at the end. But, it won't work like I was able to install and the spambayes won't come up when I start the Outlook. Is it the same file that is used in building the spambayes outlook addin binary installer? I have few COM errors in the log file, complaining about lack of resource section for the image files and an assertion error saying 'Should not yet have a toolbar' Is there anything else that I have to do inaddition to using those files? Could anyone let me know how the binary installer of spambayes Outlook addin is built and could you share the script used in this process?

I'd really appreciate your help.

Thank you,
Sanjay.





Thomas Heller wrote:

><sanjaydarisi@cox.net> writes:
>
>  
>
>>I am curious on how to make the spambayes outlook addin binary
>>installer. Is py2exe used or McMillan installer? 'cos I tried with
>>both and got errors. Like I tried using py2exe with setup_all.py file
>>in the windows/py2exe dir and got a few errors regarding the options
>>of py2exe like 'exclude-dll' etc. I have py2exe 0.4.2 and python 2.3
>>    
>>
>
>If you try py2exe, you should use the 0.5.0a prerelease in the files
>section.  You need win32all build 161, however.
>
>Thomas
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>spambayes-dev mailing list
>spambayes-dev@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev
>
>  
>

From dbartling at revereelectric.com  Mon Nov  3 09:35:26 2003
From: dbartling at revereelectric.com (Donna Bartling)
Date: Mon Nov  3 09:36:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <PCEBILIMNONPMCKHLAAPEEHEGCAA.dbartling@revereelectric.com>

I had tried SpamBayes and loved it for two weeks.  It worked as it
should.  Then every time I opened Outlook, it would lock up and not
install properly.  I finally had to delete the spambayes from my
computer to be able to use my Outlook.  Have you seen this before?  I
have tried to reload a couple of times but it locks up my system, and I
have to delete again.
 
I have Windows 2000, Pro

Donna Bartling


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From GrangMJ at LOUISVILLE.STORTEK.COM  Mon Nov  3 10:05:33 2003
From: GrangMJ at LOUISVILLE.STORTEK.COM (Granger, Michael J)
Date: Mon Nov  3 10:05:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <80E84A07223C5E48AFD64B81788349C308E4369C@hqemaila.louisville.stortek.com>

 

Sir,

 

            I have been using this wonderful program now for a few months on
my Outlook 2000.  Over the weekend, for reasons I won't go into I had to get
upgraded to Office XP.  Now, in my new iteration of Outlook, SpamBayes does
not work.  The pulldown interface is still there, but when I click on
Spambayes Manager, it doesn't respond.  It's like it's just dead.  Is this a
known problem and does it have a solution?

 

Thanks,

 

_Mike Granger

 

 

From kenfield at sprynet.com  Mon Nov  3 10:08:11 2003
From: kenfield at sprynet.com (Kenfield)
Date: Mon Nov  3 10:05:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Purchase of Spambayes
Message-ID: <001301c3a21c$70a4ac10$6501a8c0@kekbackup>

I purchased your product and requested a disk.
This was done several weeks ago.
We have not received the disk.
Please advise when we may expect to receive it
Thanks

Ken Kennedy 310 877 9985
370 Fordyce Road
Los Angeles, CA 90049	
kenfield@sprynet.com




From anthony at interlink.com.au  Mon Nov  3 10:06:15 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Mon Nov  3 10:09:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Purchase of Spambayes 
In-Reply-To: <001301c3a21c$70a4ac10$6501a8c0@kekbackup> 
Message-ID: <200311031506.hA3F6FrO016553@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Kenfield" wrote
> I purchased your product and requested a disk.
> This was done several weeks ago.
> We have not received the disk.
> Please advise when we may expect to receive it
> Thanks

I think you must be confused - spambayes is non-commercial open
source software, and as far as I know, no-one's selling any disks
of it. So I'm not sure who you purchased it from, or what you 
purchased, but it almost certainly wasn't us.

Anthony
-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Mon Nov  3 11:43:15 2003
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Mon Nov  3 11:43:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] using external DNSBL's with Outlook
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAMEDGFJAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEFPFJAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> > [Seth Goodman]
> >
> > > When exactly does SpamBayes get to work on a message?
> >
> > Heh:  nobody knows.  The Outlook rule system isn't strong
> enough to allow
> > plugging SpamBayes in as an Outlook rule, so instead SpamBayes
> > hooks Outlook
> > "folder add" events.  Exactly when and why Outlook triggers one of those
> > events isn't documented by Microsoft, and appears to vary
> wildly depending
> > on Outlook version and system load.  Sometimes SpamBayes
> appears to see a
> > message before Outlook rules run, sometimes after they run, sometimes we
> > don't get notified about a new message at all, and sometimes we
> > get notified
> > about a new message more than once (e.g., if an Outlook rule
> > moves a message
> > and SpamBayes is set to watch both the Inbox and the destination
> > folder, we
> > *might* be told about a message twice).
> >

I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but I had another
thought on this and I was just curious.  There is an Outlook rule action
called "perform a custom action".  I have no idea how to hook into that, but
if it does what the name suggests, then you have a chance of being reliably
triggered after the arrival of new messages.  Your process would then
execute as an ordinary rule in a user-specified sequence along with all
other rules, making the system more flexible.  Since the other rules do seem
to operate reliably after new messages arrive, I assume that Outlook
triggers rule processing properly, even if it triggers other actions
erratically.  You could still continue to trigger on "folder add events" to
look for drag-and-drop reclassifications, if you wished.

As an aside, I notice that you only update the database when the user
reclassifies an email.  I'm just curious why you don't update the database
based on *all* new messages classified?  Wouldn't this increase the accuracy
of the classifier?  This is listed in the bug tracker with no response, but
it is obviously not a bug, it is part of the design.  Is there a down side
to having the database represent too many messages?  The other part of this
question is that if I successfully make a rule that shunts off the
DNSBL-tagged messages before SpamBayes get to see them, does moving them
with an Outlook rule into the SpamBayes spam folder trigger you to train on
that message, as if it were a reclassification?  Is this a no-no since it
was never classified in the first place?

Regards,

Seth Goodman

Goodman Associates, LLC



From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Mon Nov  3 11:46:28 2003
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Mon Nov  3 11:46:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAMEFPFJAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

Is there an optimal ratio of spam to ham for a training set?  Is there an
optimal total corpus size for training?

Regards,

Seth Goodman

Goodman Associates, LLC


From rmalayter at bai.org  Mon Nov  3 12:25:52 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Mon Nov  3 12:25:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C35F1@cliff.bai.org>

> From: Seth Goodman
> Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
> 
> Is there an optimal ratio of spam to ham for a training set? 

Yes, there is: 1-to-1
 
> Is there an optimal total corpus size for training?

Not really, but evidence seems to suggest that a thousand or messages in
seems to work well. However, 10,000 or more messages seems to decrease
the capture rates somewhat.

From don at goscooters.com  Mon Nov  3 13:38:54 2003
From: don at goscooters.com (Go Scooters)
Date: Mon Nov  3 13:39:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 98
Message-ID: <001501c3a239$bbbd8060$02a5e8d8@dgc.bc.hsia.telus.net>

DGC's Tallship

Hi,
Can anyone please tell me if Spambayes will work with Outlook 98? In
particular will the Outlook plug-in work?

Thanks,
Don

From clewis at iquest.net  Mon Nov  3 13:53:53 2003
From: clewis at iquest.net (Chuck Lewis)
Date: Mon Nov  3 13:45:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleting Email in Definite Spam folder ?
Message-ID: <01f401c3a23b$d4fbfc80$190a10ac@GR43>

Hi Folks,

 

My Outlook .pst file is getting rather large and I was wondering about
deleting email in the Spambayes Definite Spam folder which currently has
10,788 emails in it.

 

Is that a good or bad idea ? I wasn't sure of this program rolls through
this to "learn" and "relearn" ?

 

Thanks !

 

Chuck

 

From stramiello at cox.net  Mon Nov  3 14:41:50 2003
From: stramiello at cox.net (Al Stramiello)
Date: Mon Nov  3 14:43:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Please help!
Message-ID: <HGEJJCNGELMDLMADEOBKOEFDCCAA.stramiello@cox.net>

I am using Windows 2000 ...... Outlook 2000 ... SpamBayes 0.81.  I was able
to install SpamBayes but cannot get the SpamBayes Wizard to run.  I deleted
SpamBayes according to the SpamBayes website and reinstalled.  The
Configuration Wizard still will not run.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Please provide specific steps to
help.

Thanks
Al


From richie at entrian.com  Mon Nov  3 15:39:03 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Nov  3 15:39:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] User and Password request
In-Reply-To: <E1AGUnj-0008Tv-Qi@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AGUnj-0008Tv-Qi@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <ovedqvoiqkc37i48tn4oat1mhj5kcqugmc@4ax.com>


[Bob]
> I tried to go back into the configuration program to change
> to my machine name, but was asked for a user name and password.
> What user name and password does this want.

Do you mean that your web browser is asking you for a username and
password before it will show you the configuration page?  You must have
checked one of the "HTTP Authentication" options, in which case it's
asking for whatever username and password you entered there.  If you left
the defaults in place then the username and password will be "admin" /
"admin".  To prevent it prompting in future, set the "HTTP Authentication"
option back to "None".

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From jchaines at qwest.net  Mon Nov  3 16:42:10 2003
From: jchaines at qwest.net (jchaines)
Date: Mon Nov  3 16:42:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Wizard not running on reinstallation and runningof
	Spabayes setup.
Message-ID: <ALEEKHDBCMBBFEAJEKOPMEAICCAA.jchaines@qwest.net>

In my short time on this forum, it appears that Al's problem is common to
many users.

Are their remnants of SpamBayes that remain in the registry after the user
removes the program then tries to reinstall? If so, what are they and how
can they be removed safely?

I am extremely anxious to reinstall Spambayes but, like many others, have
this same problem of the SpamBayes Wizard not appearing after downloading
and running the setup program.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Jim
From erik at sky.cz  Mon Nov  3 17:15:05 2003
From: erik at sky.cz (Erik Piper)
Date: Mon Nov  3 17:20:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes - a few more steps forward in Czech in plugin
	0081
In-Reply-To: <16135.4777.574295.719680@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <AMEILCAPNMPBCIINNAHIAEFFCCAA.erik@sky.cz>

Dear SpamBayes team,

I'm the fellow who was working in a Czech environment, ran into SpamBayes
crashing and burning on Czech characters, started asking questions on the
list, and eventually stopped asking (too frustrated and too embarrassed at
my ignorance within Python, though I still apologize for the unannounced
disappearance). Today I downloaded version 8 of the plugin, first at work
and at home, and found somewhat more promising, but still not perfect,
results.

Work computer (W98SE CZ, Outlook 2K CZ): ABSOLUTELY no problems at ALL.

Home computer (W2K CZ, Outlook 2K CZ): Installation fine, startup fine. But:
1. clicking the Data Folder button in the Advanced tab leads to an error
dialog:
SpamBayes
	'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xed' in position 52: ordinal not in
range(128)

In the old discussions on this matter, the SpamBayes team noted that the
guilty character (and this here seems to be the same one) was an accented i,
which is contained in the Application Data folder in Czech Windows 2000.
(I'm not sure about Win98 SE; it may have an unlocalized app. data folder
name.)

2. When running Spambayes' Configuration Wizard using the "I have sorted..."
option (though NOT when using the other two options), the same error message
as mentioned above appears after the last step of the wizard is complete,
i.e. just before jumping back into the SpamBayes manager's main dialog.

3. Attempts to use the Training tab to train SpamBayes based on designated
spam/ham folders soft-hang during the "Saving: Writing to Database..." step.
By "soft-hang," I mean that Outlook does not become hung, but the "Saving:
Writing to database..." message remains until you switch tabs/close the
dialog, and more importantly, a check of the Training database status after
the training reveals no change to the sizes of the trained-ham and
trained-spam counts. It sounds to me, as a layman, as if SpamBayes is having
trouble getting to its own database due to problem 1 above.

4. The "Delete as Spam" and "Recover from "Spam" buttons have no effect.

Interestingly, I have somehow managed to get 32 messages trained as ham, or
so the Training Database Status tells me. Probably in the course of moving
things about during setup, before I discovered that SpamBayes was not
working as well as I had thought.

I know you've solved a lot of problems related to Unicode so far; hopefully
you'll be able to resolve this one as well. As usual I am available for
testing. Though the mere thought of messing around with actual python
scripts again makes my head spin, there's no end to what I'd do in the name
of science. I guess.

Cheers and thanks in advance,

Erik Piper


From rmalayter at bai.org  Mon Nov  3 18:49:28 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Mon Nov  3 18:49:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] timing problems in cached mode in Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C35FA@cliff.bai.org>

When running Outlook 2003 in cached mode (which only available when
connecting to an Exchange server), the intermittent downloading of
messages seems to confuse SpamBayes. I have the max background
processing delay of 10 second turned on, but this doesn't seem to be
long enough. Every time I open Outlook 2003, only about 7 to 10 of my
new messages get filtered. I have to manually run the filtering.
 
Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?
 
My suggestions for ameliorating the problem would be
1) allow the user to make the initial processing delay longer than 10
seconds
2) have two separate delay values, one that is in effect when Outlook is
first opened, the other delay that is in effect at all other times
3) have a "polling" process that checks for new items without a Spam
field N seconds
 
And of course, background processing and reasonable default delays
should be automatically enabled when SB detects that Outlook 2003 is
running in cached mode.
 
Just wanted to get people's thoughts before I submitted a feature
request.
 
Regards,
    Ryan
 
From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Mon Nov  3 21:09:09 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Mon Nov  3 21:09:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 98
In-Reply-To: <001501c3a239$bbbd8060$02a5e8d8@dgc.bc.hsia.telus.net>
References: <001501c3a239$bbbd8060$02a5e8d8@dgc.bc.hsia.telus.net>
Message-ID: <3FA70A45.3030507@rbwconsulting.com>

I believe Outlook 2000 was the first version to support the required 
APIs. So no, I don't think the plugin will work, however if you get your 
email imap or pop3 then you may use the proxies to run spambayes.
Go Scooters wrote:

>DGC's Tallship
>
>Hi,
>Can anyone please tell me if Spambayes will work with Outlook 98? In
>particular will the Outlook plug-in work?
>
>Thanks,
>Don
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
>
>  
>

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From iamserg at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  3 21:10:33 2003
From: iamserg at hotmail.com (Serg Kagno)
Date: Mon Nov  3 21:10:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I'm losing my new messages.
Message-ID: <000401c3a278$d3f9e210$7243a2ac@bioscorrected21>

I'm using Windows XP, and have downloaded SpamBayes within the last coupla
days, and can't find my new messages.  I'm looking for where there supposed
to go, and I modify the folder, but they still keep disappearing.

From victor at site0.com  Mon Nov  3 21:12:46 2003
From: victor at site0.com (Victor Issa)
Date: Mon Nov  3 21:12:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple Accounts - only main inbox being filtered
Message-ID: <E1AGqfr-0003Xs-RL@host.leadingdesigns.com>

I installed SpamBayes on Outlook 2003 and trained it with over 5000
messages.

 

It appears to move items in the main inbox to the spam folders, but anything
sent to another account or moved to other folders with Outlook rules is not
being moved properly.. They are being scored properly.  I've tried setting
background filtering to several options but it doesn't seem to make a
difference.. I've also tried turning background filtering off.

 

Any suggestions?

 

 

Sincerely,

Victor Issa

818-894-3252

 

 

From WeMrthn at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 21:22:34 2003
From: WeMrthn at aol.com (WeMrthn@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  3 21:22:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I'm losing my new messages.
Message-ID: <1d6.137d6a46.2cd8676a@aol.com>

I just wrote to you because SpamBayes, which I just installed, seems to be 
taking my messages and putting them somewhere.  I try to change the folders in 
the settings choices, but the messages keep disappearing.
I am using Windows XP.
From hlyner at seznam.cz  Mon Nov  3 22:25:55 2003
From: hlyner at seznam.cz (Heinz Lyner)
Date: Mon Nov  3 22:31:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot uninstall/install
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAdez+8DokTkqH1m2lJTsroyKBAAAQAAAA5hwHtTOOIEiM/nxI7pXH7wEAAAAA@seznam.cz>

I have the same problem as described here earlier:
 
I have tried everything to remove any trace of Spambayes, but I have
still a fragment of the Toolbar and the rating columns. And oft course I
cannot install a new copy!
 
For any help I would be grateful
 
Regards t everybody for Prague
 
Heinz
From russ_foster at comcast.net  Mon Nov  3 21:52:47 2003
From: russ_foster at comcast.net (Russ Foster)
Date: Mon Nov  3 22:58:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C35F1@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311032041580.2314-100000@localhost.localdomain>



On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Ryan Malayter wrote:

> > Is there an optimal total corpus size for training?
> 
> Not really, but evidence seems to suggest that a thousand or messages in
> seems to work well. However, 10,000 or more messages seems to decrease
> the capture rates somewhat.

After installed SpamBayes I deleted the database because I was curious how
long it would take to become effective.

I get about 100 emails a day, with about 1/3 of those bring "spam". The
day after I installed SB I was got less than 5 spam messages in my INBOX
(down from 33) and 3 in my REVIEW box. The remaining 25 were filtered 
properly.

I have since tweaked my settings so that I need 93% (up from 90%) to be
filtered as SPAM and 20% or less to keep in my INBOX. So anything between
20% and 93% is put in REVIEW.

I just completed two weeks of SB (starting from a clean DB). Last week
(start of week 2). I've gotten 1 spam message delivered to my INBOX, and
probably 20 message put in REVIEW. 15 of the REVIEW messages were SPAM,
the other 5 were good.

I find SB to be very effective. I am currently training another product on 
my second email account which gets < 20 non-spam messages and 100 spam per 
day. I would have thought this should learn quicker, but its been a week 
and I still get 10-20 spam in my INBOX and 5 GOOD messages in my SPAM 
(this is a HUGE problem).

If only I could get SB working on my Linux box, I think I'd be set, but 
I'm having lots of problems getting the dependancies installed...

-r



From wsy at merl.com  Mon Nov  3 23:03:41 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Mon Nov  3 23:03:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311032041580.2314-100000@localhost.localdomain>
	(message from Russ Foster on Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:52:47 -0600 (CST))
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311032041580.2314-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200311040403.hA443fi27506@localhost.localdomain>


   From: Russ Foster <russ_foster@comcast.net>

   I find SB to be very effective. I am currently training another product on 
   my second email account which gets < 20 non-spam messages and 100 spam per 
   day. I would have thought this should learn quicker, but its been a week 
   and I still get 10-20 spam in my INBOX and 5 GOOD messages in my SPAM 
   (this is a HUGE problem).

   If only I could get SB working on my Linux box, I think I'd be set, but 
   I'm having lots of problems getting the dependancies installed...

Russ:

What product/program are you running on your Linux box?

(I wrote one of the free ones; if it's mine and it isn't working
for you, I'd like to see if I can fix it.)

    -Bill Yerazunis (spy on SpamBayes, author of CRM114)


From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Mon Nov  3 23:34:33 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Mon Nov  3 23:34:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311032041580.2314-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3FA72C59.C42AF6C1@whidbey.com>

What's the other product? Anything unusual about the mail pattern on that
account?

Van


Russ Foster wrote:

> I find SB to be very effective. I am currently training another product on
> my second email account which gets < 20 non-spam messages and 100 spam per
> day. I would have thought this should learn quicker, but its been a week
> and I still get 10-20 spam in my INBOX and 5 GOOD messages in my SPAM
> (this is a HUGE problem).

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From neale at woozle.org  Tue Nov  4 00:38:55 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Tue Nov  4 00:39:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311032041580.2314-100000@localhost.localdomain>
	(Russ Foster's message of "Mon, 3 Nov 2003 20:52:47 -0600 (CST)")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311032041580.2314-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <w53he1klmkw.fsf@woozle.org>

Russ Foster <russ_foster@comcast.net> writes:

> If only I could get SB working on my Linux box, I think I'd be set, but 
> I'm having lots of problems getting the dependancies installed...

Russ,

I can only assume from this comment that you're using an RPM-based
system.  You may have a better luck installing Python from source.  You
can download the source tarball from python.org, untar it somewhere,
then (as root):

  ./configure && make install

After a few minutes, you should have a working version of Python, which
should be all you need to get SpamBayes installed.

Let me know how that goes :)

Neale


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Tue Nov  4 04:51:58 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Tue Nov  4 04:56:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes - a few more steps forward in Czech in
	plugin 0081 
In-Reply-To: <AMEILCAPNMPBCIINNAHIAEFFCCAA.erik@sky.cz> 
Message-ID: <200311040952.hA49pwhv004482@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Erik Piper" wrote

> Home computer (W2K CZ, Outlook 2K CZ): Installation fine, startup fine. But:
> 1. clicking the Data Folder button in the Advanced tab leads to an error
> dialog:
> SpamBayes
> 	'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xed' in position 52: ordinal no
t in
> range(128)

Can you post the entire traceback here?

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From Frank.Sowinski at fujitsu-siemens.com  Tue Nov  4 06:53:34 2003
From: Frank.Sowinski at fujitsu-siemens.com (Sowinski, Frank)
Date: Tue Nov  4 06:56:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request
Message-ID: <1B482BD387CFF748B9D7547F4FBB722245E7A2@ABGEX01E.abg.fsc.net>

Hi,

we have some write only folders in our Outlook Exchange Server environment. One of the folders purpose is to store spam mails. I cannot read the contents of the folder but I can copy my spam mails to it. 
The Spam Bayes Outlook PlugIn does not allow the selection of that folder as spam folder. The parent folder shows a + sign, but you cannot expand it. I think the reeason is that the sub folder is write only. Please fix that in the browse dialog of SpamByes Outlook Plug In.

Thank you
Frank Sowinski

From jeff at livdes.com  Tue Nov  4 08:35:14 2003
From: jeff at livdes.com (Jeffrey Barnaby)
Date: Tue Nov  4 08:34:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible bug
Message-ID: <NDBBIPGMOLCMHADMDFHJKEPAIIAA.jeff@livdes.com>

Running-
Windows 98se
Binary version 0.81 September 9 2003


--- how do you uninstall spam bayes --- I see no way to remove this from my
outlook bar


Thank you for a quick response.

Jeffrey Barnaby

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.534 / Virus Database: 329 - Release Date: 10/31/03
From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:15:28 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:15:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple Accounts - only main inbox being filtered
In-Reply-To: <E1AGqfr-0003Xs-RL@host.leadingdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <E1AH1yG-0006ml-OM@mail.python.org>

Victor Issa wrote:
> I installed SpamBayes on Outlook 2003 and trained it with over 5000
> messages.
> 
> It appears to move items in the main inbox to the spam folders, but
> anything sent to another account or moved to other folders with
> Outlook rules is not being moved properly.. They are being scored
> properly.  I've tried setting background filtering to several options
> but it doesn't seem to make a difference.. I've also tried turning
> background filtering off. 

If an Outlook rule moves a message out of your filtered folders before
SpamBayes processes it then it will not be moved to your spam folder.
Outlook rules should always run first if background filtering is on, but
may still run first in some cases even if background filtering is off.
You also need to make sure that the folder where "anything sent to
another account" gets placed is included in your list of filtered
folders.

How are you determining that messages "are begin scored properly"?  I've
noticed that a lot of people don't realize that choosing "Show spam
clues for current message" scores the selected message right then and
there, and has nothing to do with any previous processing by SpamBayes.
If you have set up your folder view in Outlook to display the Spam field
added by SpamBayes (see "Viewing and Using the Spam Score Field" under
SpamBayes/Help/About SpamBayes if you haven't), then a score in that
field is a good indication that SpamBayes saw the message.  If the field
is blank then SpamBayes did not process the message automatically.

Could you grab a copy of your log file after receiving several of the
messages that aren't processed correctly, and then post it here?  The
"Check the log file" section under SpamBayes/Help/Troubleshooting Guide
shows how to do this if you haven't done it before.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:44:39 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov  4 09:45:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible bug
In-Reply-To: <NDBBIPGMOLCMHADMDFHJKEPAIIAA.jeff@livdes.com>
Message-ID: <E1AH2QV-0000OX-W1@mail.python.org>

Jeffrey Barnaby wrote:
> --- how do you uninstall spam bayes --- I see no way to remove this
> from my outlook bar.

An unfortunate side-effect of the bizarre way that Outlook exposes
toolbars to plugins.  The problem is that we don't have access to the
Outlook interfaces that allow removing the toolbar at the time of
uninstall.

If you have already run the uninstall, then the SpamBayes addin itself
should be gone.  You just need to remove the toolbar manually.  If you
right-click an unused area of the toolbar in your main Outlook window
and select Customize, you should get a list of toolbars that includes
SpamBayes.  Just highlight SpamBayes and click Delete and the toolbar
should go away.  If you also have the Spam field showing in any of your
views, you'll have to remove that manually as well by going to
"Customize Current View", clicking "Fields...", and removing it from the
"Show theses fields" list.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From richard.somerset at ntlworld.com  Tue Nov  4 10:27:35 2003
From: richard.somerset at ntlworld.com (Richard Somerset)
Date: Tue Nov  4 10:28:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook2002
Message-ID: <000201c3a2e8$2c3180e0$0500a8c0@Somersets.local>

Spambyes works very well for about 6 days but now I get a message 'You
must configure the spam folder' but how do I do that?

Regards,

Richard Somerset



From sharper at attglobal.net  Tue Nov  4 10:53:53 2003
From: sharper at attglobal.net (Stephen F. Harper)
Date: Tue Nov  4 11:11:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982 possible cause
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20031104104920.00b3d360@localhost>

I have the error message
>DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database 
>recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery')

I think I can cause this reliably by clicking the train button and while 
the programming is training, exiting the "web page" in the browser.  If you 
are training a "large" number of messages (~50 or so), it takes some amount 
of time.  With my short attention span, I sometimes forget and try to open 
another web page, at this point I get a corrupted database.
Hope this helps some....
Thanks for the great work!!!

Stephen F. Harper


Stephen F. Harper
919.303.2498 home
919.264.8532 cell
s.f.harper@ieee.org



From stephen.cholet at mci.com  Tue Nov  4 12:54:59 2003
From: stephen.cholet at mci.com (Stephen Cholet)
Date: Tue Nov  4 12:49:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <002b01c3a2fc$c4a3bff0$59122aa6@wcomnet.com>

Do you have any information that addresses any differences or issues
associated with using the program with Outlook 2003?

Thanks.

Steve

Stephen Cholet, PMP
Planning Engineer
IP Access Planning
678-259-1629
v 870-1629


From erik at sky.cz  Tue Nov  4 12:51:43 2003
From: erik at sky.cz (Erik Piper)
Date: Tue Nov  4 12:56:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes - a few more steps forward in Czech in
	plugin 0081 
In-Reply-To: <200311040952.hA49pwhv004482@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <AMEILCAPNMPBCIINNAHIMEFMCCAA.erik@sky.cz>

Sure, Anthony. Shame I didn't remember to do so in the first place.

Exception in thread Thread-1:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/threading", line 436, in __bootstrap
  File "out1.pyz/threading", line 416, in run
  File "out1.pyz/dialogs.async_processor", line 226, in thread_target
  File "out1.pyz/train", line 169, in trainer
  File "out1.pyz/manager", line 311, in Adopt
  File "out1.pyz/shutil", line 170, in move
  File "out1.pyz/shutil", line 83, in copy2
  File "out1.pyz/shutil", line 58, in copystat
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xed' in position
52: ordinal not in range(128)

The precise same footprint in the traceback arises when I repro the "soft
hang" of training in the Training tab, mentioned in the original e-mail.

At the risk of supplying useless information, here's the log from stepping
through the configuration wizard:

(...prelude...)
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Data
aplikaci\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Data
aplikaci\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 2 spam and 72 good messages
*** - message database has 44 messages - bayes has 74 - something is screwey

(...)

GetNextPage with current 0 IDD_WIZARD_WELCOME
GetNextPage with current 3 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_TRAIN
About to train with really_really_long_string_of_gobbledygook
Checked 72 in folder Ham - 72 new entries found.
Checked 2 in folder Junk E-Mail - 2 new entries found.
GetNextPage with current 4 IDD_WIZARD_TRAIN
GetNextPage with current 1 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_WATCH
GetNextPage with current 2 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_REST
Wizard Done!
Saving wizard changes
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Data
aplikaci\SpamBayes\Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.ini

In other words, even though Spambayes throws me an error dialog, no event is
logged.

By the way, I can no longer repro the failure of the "Recover from Spam" and
"Delete as Spam" buttons; if I can confirm a set of repro steps in the
future, I'll let y'all know.

Erik Piper

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Baxter [mailto:anthony@interlink.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:52 AM
To: Erik Piper
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Spambayes - a few more steps forward in Czech in
plugin 0081



>>> "Erik Piper" wrote

> Home computer (W2K CZ, Outlook 2K CZ): Installation fine, startup fine.
But:
> 1. clicking the Data Folder button in the Advanced tab leads to an error
> dialog:
> SpamBayes
> 	'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xed' in position 52: ordinal no
t in
> range(128)

Can you post the entire traceback here?

Anthony

--
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From ljholish at speakeasy.net  Tue Nov  4 13:00:34 2003
From: ljholish at speakeasy.net (Larry Holish)
Date: Tue Nov  4 12:59:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py mucks with body of email?
Message-ID: <20031104180034.GA5037@localhost>

Hi,

I have a Debian Linux based setup using fetchmail-Exim-procmail-mutt
(maildirs), and spambayes-1.0a6.

Setup and did initial training of spambayes. Classifying is going well
using sb_filter.py and procmail. Trained on some unsures using
sb_mboxtrain.py from command line and went back into my mutt inbox to
check the headers. X-Spambayes-Trained headers were added, but I also
got a line like this:

-Spambayes-Trained: ham

added as the first line of the email *body*. Also happened with a few
mails in my spam directory. I don't think the email body should be
touched. Any clues?

-- 
Larry Holish
<ljholish@speakeasy.net>

From jabailo at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  4 13:34:05 2003
From: jabailo at earthlink.net (John Bailo)
Date: Tue Nov  4 13:39:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C35FA@cliff.bai.org>
References: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C35FA@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <03Nov4.104946pst.118249@gateway.manus.com>

	
I spent a few hours this weekend to get SpamBayes to work, with
Evolution on RedHat 9.   I did not succeed.

But then I picked up an idea from a newsgroup about just creating
a filter that only allows email with my name in the recipient list
through to my inbox.

Now I am filtering 99 percent of my spam with a simple inbox filter.

less is more.





From AndrewC at primeworld.com  Tue Nov  4 13:38:40 2003
From: AndrewC at primeworld.com (Andrew J. Coutermarsh)
Date: Tue Nov  4 13:42:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
Message-ID: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44C8@mail1.primeline.com>

Yes, but if you do that, you're dramatically increasing the chance of
getting false positives and false negatives.  You gotta be careful about
doing something like that.

I have an email address that goes into my current mailbox, but it is almost
entirely spam now; I would say that less than one tenth of one percent of
all the email that comes to it is legit.  Why do I still filter it?  Because
there's still a small chance that I could miss something by either disabling
the account.

Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Prime Resources Corp.
I.S. Department
Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
Fx: (203) 551-3324
andrewc@primeworld.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On
Behalf Of John Bailo
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:34 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?

	
I spent a few hours this weekend to get SpamBayes to work, with
Evolution on RedHat 9.   I did not succeed.

But then I picked up an idea from a newsgroup about just creating
a filter that only allows email with my name in the recipient list
through to my inbox.

Now I am filtering 99 percent of my spam with a simple inbox filter.

less is more.





_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From AndrewC at primeworld.com  Tue Nov  4 13:43:22 2003
From: AndrewC at primeworld.com (Andrew J. Coutermarsh)
Date: Tue Nov  4 13:47:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't disable filtering on a certain folder
Message-ID: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44C9@mail1.primeline.com>

I'm using SB0.81, and I've found an interesting problem:

 

I enabled filtering on another user's inbox.  I weed through his email for
him (my manager) but he decided that he didn't like the automatic filtering
because if I wasn't there he couldn't tell what was getting filtered out (a
couple messages were going into Unsure and they were legit but he couldn't
read them because they were in my Unsure folder).  So I turned off filtering
in Outlook on that folder.

 

However, it still seems to be filtering on his inbox, even though I don't
want it to.  I've tried resetting the filtering settings several times now,
and I'm worried that even a reinstall of SB isn't going to fix the problem.

 

Any advice?

 

Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Prime Resources Corp.
I.S. Department
Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
Fx: (203) 551-3324
andrewc@primeworld.com

 

 

From jabailo at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  4 13:46:39 2003
From: jabailo at earthlink.net (John Bailo)
Date: Tue Nov  4 13:52:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
In-Reply-To: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44C8@mail1.primeline.com>
References: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44C8@mail1.primeline.com>
Message-ID: <03Nov4.110222pst.118251@gateway.manus.com>

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:38, Andrew J. Coutermarsh wrote:
> Yes, but if you do that, you're dramatically increasing the chance of
> getting false positives and false negatives.  You gotta be careful about

can you be more specific?

> doing something like that.
> 
> I have an email address that goes into my current mailbox, but it is almost
> entirely spam now; I would say that less than one tenth of one percent of
> all the email that comes to it is legit.  Why do I still filter it?  Because
> there's still a small chance that I could miss something by either disabling
> the account.
> 
> Andrew J. Coutermarsh
> Prime Resources Corp.
> I.S. Department
> Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
> Fx: (203) 551-3324
> andrewc@primeworld.com
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On
> Behalf Of John Bailo
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
> 
> 	
> I spent a few hours this weekend to get SpamBayes to work, with
> Evolution on RedHat 9.   I did not succeed.
> 
> But then I picked up an idea from a newsgroup about just creating
> a filter that only allows email with my name in the recipient list
> through to my inbox.
> 
> Now I am filtering 99 percent of my spam with a simple inbox filter.
> 
> less is more.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From bcd at fcohenlaw.com  Tue Nov  4 13:55:02 2003
From: bcd at fcohenlaw.com (Blaine C. Dickenson)
Date: Tue Nov  4 13:55:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How do I download the plugin for Outlook Express?
Message-ID: <000801c3a305$280cb030$220a0a0a@XP101>


Blaine C. Dickenson, Esq.
Cohen, Norris, Scherer, Weinberger & Wolmer
561-844-3600
bcd@fcohenlaw.com
From AndrewC at primeworld.com  Tue Nov  4 13:53:17 2003
From: AndrewC at primeworld.com (Andrew J. Coutermarsh)
Date: Tue Nov  4 13:57:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
Message-ID: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44CA@mail1.primeline.com>

> can you be more specific?

Well, what I meant by that is this, for example: If somebody includes you in
a CC:, it would get snatched up.  Conversely, spammers often put your name
in the To: line, thus making it go through to your inbox.  So while simple
CAN work, it's often better to use it in conjunction with a filter.

Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Prime Resources Corp.
I.S. Department
Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
Fx: (203) 551-3324
andrewc@primeworld.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bailo [mailto:jabailo@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:47 PM
To: Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Is simple better?

On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:38, Andrew J. Coutermarsh wrote:
> Yes, but if you do that, you're dramatically increasing the chance of
> getting false positives and false negatives.  You gotta be careful about

can you be more specific?

> doing something like that.
> 
> I have an email address that goes into my current mailbox, but it is
almost
> entirely spam now; I would say that less than one tenth of one percent of
> all the email that comes to it is legit.  Why do I still filter it?
Because
> there's still a small chance that I could miss something by either
disabling
> the account.
> 
> Andrew J. Coutermarsh
> Prime Resources Corp.
> I.S. Department
> Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
> Fx: (203) 551-3324
> andrewc@primeworld.com
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
On
> Behalf Of John Bailo
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
> 
> 	
> I spent a few hours this weekend to get SpamBayes to work, with
> Evolution on RedHat 9.   I did not succeed.
> 
> But then I picked up an idea from a newsgroup about just creating
> a filter that only allows email with my name in the recipient list
> through to my inbox.
> 
> Now I am filtering 99 percent of my spam with a simple inbox filter.
> 
> less is more.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From jacsib at lutecium.org  Tue Nov  4 14:18:26 2003
From: jacsib at lutecium.org (Jacques B. Siboni)
Date: Tue Nov  4 14:18:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Site level protection
Message-ID: <3FA7FB82.9C1DB417@lutecium.org>

Hi all,

I am pretty happy since i installed spambayes on our linux machine (RedHat
7.3). I have installed it at a user based level. 

Now I want to install it at the site/domain  level to filter all of the
incoming mails whose email addresses are xxxxx@lutecium.org.

I suppose this problem has already been solved but I could not find the info
in the archives.
Could you give me directions to solve this.

mailers are sendmail, procmail, smtp

Thanks in advance

Cheers

Jacques


-- 
Dr. Jacques B. Siboni mailto:jacsib@Lutecium.org
8 pass. Charles Albert, F75018 Paris, France
Tel. & Fax: 33 (0) 1 42 28 76 78
Home Page: http://www.lutecium.org/jacsib/

From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Tue Nov  4 15:10:08 2003
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:10:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible feature request: ham training from Unsure
	folder
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIELJFJAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

The following is my guess at how the Unsure and Spam folders work, and if
this is correct, I have a related feature request.  As I am new to
SpamBayes, I welcome your corrections and explanations.

1) If the message spam score is less than the ham threshold, the message is
left in the watched folder.  No training is done with the message.  If the
user then highlights that message and hits the "Delete As Spam" button, the
message is moved to the Spam folder and it is trained on as spam.

2) If the message spam score is greater than the spam threshold, the message
is moved from the watched folder into the Spam folder.  No training is done
with the message.  If the user then highlights that message and hits
"Recover from spam" button, the message is moved back to its' original
watched folder (not necessarily the Inbox) and it is trained on as ham.

3) If the message spam score is between the ham and spam thresholds, the
message is moved from the watched folder to the Unsure folder.  No training
is done with the message.  If the user then highlights that message and hits
"Delete as spam" button, the message is moved to the Spam folder and it is
trained on as spam.  If the user manually moves the message to a non-Spam
folder, no training is done with the message.

If this is correct, I think it exposes a minor weakness.  This is based on
the premise that SpamBayes should only train on messages that the system
cannot already classify correctly.  This assumes that the reason for not
training on all messages is, as other folks have pointed out, that
classification accuracy suffers when the training corpus is too large
(around 10K messages).  If these assumptions are correct, then why not train
on *all* messages in the Unsure folder when the user manually classifies
them?  The resulting feature request would be that when the Unsure folder is
selected, SpamBayes should display *two* classification buttons:  "Delete As
Spam" and "Keep As Good".  The "Keep As Good" button would work exactly like
the "Recover from spam" button in the Spam folder, that is, move the message
back to its' original watched folder and train on the message as ham.

This would have two benefits, one definite and the other proposed.  The
definite benefit is that in the case that the message came from a watched
folder other than the Inbox, it could be returned to the proper folder
automatically.  The proposed second benefit is that since the message was
not definitively classified, training on it as ham would improve the future
classification accuracy of the system and result in fewer messages in the
Unsure folder.

Corrections, reactions and education are welcome.

Regards,

Seth Goodman

Goodman Associates, LLC


From rmalayter at bai.org  Tue Nov  4 15:12:34 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:12:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Site level protection
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3657@cliff.bai.org>

http://assp.sourceforge.net is an oraganizational-level bayesian filter.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Jacques B. Siboni
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:18 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Site level protection
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am pretty happy since i installed spambayes on our linux 
> machine (RedHat
> 7.3). I have installed it at a user based level. 
> 
> Now I want to install it at the site/domain  level to filter 
> all of the
> incoming mails whose email addresses are xxxxx@lutecium.org.
> 
> I suppose this problem has already been solved but I could 
> not find the info
> in the archives.
> Could you give me directions to solve this.
> 
> mailers are sendmail, procmail, smtp
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Jacques

From neale at woozle.org  Tue Nov  4 15:20:12 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:20:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
In-Reply-To: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44CA@mail1.primeline.com>
	(Andrew
	J. Coutermarsh's message of "Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:53:17 -0500")
References: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44CA@mail1.primeline.com>
Message-ID: <w53ptg7khs3.fsf@woozle.org>

"Andrew J. Coutermarsh" <AndrewC@primeworld.com> writes:

>> can you be more specific?
>
> Well, what I meant by that is this, for example: If somebody includes
> you in a CC:, it would get snatched up.

I think Andrew meant BCC here.

Also, some companies send e-commerce receipts to "undisclosed
recipients", so that would go into your spam folder as well.  Be sure to
poke through your spam folder when you order something on-line.  Mailing
lists suffer a similar fate, but you probably already sort those into
their own folders.

I used a "if it's not to me, it's spam" rule in procmail for quite a
while.  It did work pretty well, but spambayes does a much better job.

John, since you mentioned you were using Red Hat, I'm going to guess
that your problem had to do with package dependencies while trying to
install Python.  You may have better luck installing Python from source.
Just download it, untar, and run

  ./configure && make install

as root.  You should then have a working Python installation and can
install SpamBayes just fine.

Hope this helps

Neale

From neale at woozle.org  Tue Nov  4 15:22:03 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:22:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py mucks with body of email?
In-Reply-To: <20031104180034.GA5037@localhost> (Larry Holish's message of
	"Tue, 4 Nov 2003 12:00:34 -0600")
References: <20031104180034.GA5037@localhost>
Message-ID: <w53llqvkhp0.fsf@woozle.org>

Larry Holish <ljholish@speakeasy.net> writes:

> -Spambayes-Trained: ham
>
> added as the first line of the email *body*.

Larry, could you forward to me (or the list) one of the spam messages
that got mangled?  This is bizarre, I don't know why it would happen,
unless maybe SpamBayes and Mutt disagree about where the message body
begins.

Neale

From AndrewC at primeworld.com  Tue Nov  4 15:18:44 2003
From: AndrewC at primeworld.com (Andrew J. Coutermarsh)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:22:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
Message-ID: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44CB@mail1.primeline.com>

> I think Andrew meant BCC here.

Actually, no, I meant CC.  Many spam rules in certain programs will say "If
my name is in the To: line" but say nothing about the CC: line, so it WOULD
get picked up as well.  In addition there is, of course, the BCC: but I
thought that one would go without saying.

Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Prime Resources Corp.
I.S. Department
Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
Fx: (203) 551-3324
andrewc@primeworld.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Neale Pickett [mailto:neale@woozle.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:20 PM
To: Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Cc: 'jabailo@earthlink.net'; spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Is simple better?

"Andrew J. Coutermarsh" <AndrewC@primeworld.com> writes:

>> can you be more specific?
>
> Well, what I meant by that is this, for example: If somebody includes
> you in a CC:, it would get snatched up.

I think Andrew meant BCC here.

Also, some companies send e-commerce receipts to "undisclosed
recipients", so that would go into your spam folder as well.  Be sure to
poke through your spam folder when you order something on-line.  Mailing
lists suffer a similar fate, but you probably already sort those into
their own folders.

I used a "if it's not to me, it's spam" rule in procmail for quite a
while.  It did work pretty well, but spambayes does a much better job.

John, since you mentioned you were using Red Hat, I'm going to guess
that your problem had to do with package dependencies while trying to
install Python.  You may have better luck installing Python from source.
Just download it, untar, and run

  ./configure && make install

as root.  You should then have a working Python installation and can
install SpamBayes just fine.

Hope this helps

Neale

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:22:18 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:22:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Site level protection
In-Reply-To: <3FA7FB82.9C1DB417@lutecium.org>
Message-ID: <E1AH7hQ-0002QE-W4@mail.python.org>

Jacques B. Siboni wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am pretty happy since i installed spambayes on our linux machine
> (RedHat 
> 7.3). I have installed it at a user based level.
> 
> Now I want to install it at the site/domain  level to filter all of
> the incoming mails whose email addresses are xxxxx@lutecium.org.
> 
> I suppose this problem has already been solved but I could not find
> the info in the archives.
> Could you give me directions to solve this.
> 
> mailers are sendmail, procmail, smtp

SpamBayes does have a filter program that you could probably get set up
in this environment, but the results might not be exactly what you hoped
for since SpamBayes uses a very "personalized" approach to filtering.
This is covered in "6.2 Are there plans to develop a server-side
SpamBayes solution?" of the FAQ at
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html.

If you decide to go ahead and set this up, you can find some info on
using SpamBayes with Procmail at http://entrian.com/sbwiki/SbFilter.
I'm not a Unix user, so I'm not sure where to point you for more help
with sendmail or smtp setup.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From neale at woozle.org  Tue Nov  4 15:29:53 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:29:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Site level protection
In-Reply-To: <3FA7FB82.9C1DB417@lutecium.org> (Jacques B. Siboni's message
	of "Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:18:26 +0000")
References: <3FA7FB82.9C1DB417@lutecium.org>
Message-ID: <w53he1jkhby.fsf@woozle.org>

"Jacques B. Siboni" <jacsib@lutecium.org> writes:

> Now I want to install it at the site/domain  level to filter all of the
> incoming mails whose email addresses are xxxxx@lutecium.org.
>
> mailers are sendmail, procmail, smtp

This has been done, but I don't seem to find it documented anywhere
offhand.  Could whomever has done this before please write it up on the
wiki?

  http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki

You can probably do this as a milter, Jacques.  I would suggest running
sb_xmlrpcserver.py as a daemon, then piping everything through
sb_client.py, but that's probably just because I wrote those programs
and I haven't heard of them being used much yet :).

You could also use sb_smtpproxy.py (in the spambayes directory) running
on port 25 of your public IP address.  You can have it proxy to port 25
of 127.0.0.1, where you tell sendmail to bind.

The real challenge here is finding a way to train your database.  But,
as I say, I think someone else has already solved this.  (I only pay
attention 10% of the time around here.)

Neale


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:32:51 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:33:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible feature request: ham training from
	Unsurefolder
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIELJFJAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <E1AH7ra-0005Fb-Uj@mail.python.org>

Seth Goodman wrote:
> The following is my guess at how the Unsure and Spam folders work,
> and if this is correct, I have a related feature request.  As I am
> new to SpamBayes, I welcome your corrections and explanations.
> 
> 1) If the message spam score is less than the ham threshold, the
> message is left in the watched folder.  No training is done with the
> message.  If the user then highlights that message and hits the
> "Delete As Spam" button, the message is moved to the Spam folder and
> it is trained on as spam. 

Yes.

> 2) If the message spam score is greater than the spam threshold, the
> message is moved from the watched folder into the Spam folder.  No
> training is done with the message.  If the user then highlights that
> message and hits "Recover from spam" button, the message is moved
> back to its' original watched folder (not necessarily the Inbox) and
> it is trained on as ham. 

Still good so far, although dragging the message back to a watched
non-spam folder also has the same effect.

> 3) If the message spam score is between the ham and spam thresholds,
> the message is moved from the watched folder to the Unsure folder. 
> No training is done with the message.  If the user then highlights
> that message and hits "Delete as spam" button, the message is moved
> to the Spam folder and it is trained on as spam.  If the user
> manually moves the message to a non-Spam folder, no training is done
> with the message. 

Almost.  If the user clicks "Delete As Spam" or drags to the spam folder
then the message is trained as spam.  If the user clicks "Recover From
Spam" or drags to a watched non-spam folder then the message is trained
as good.

> If this is correct, I think it exposes a minor weakness.  This is
> based on the premise that SpamBayes should only train on messages
> that the system cannot already classify correctly.  This assumes that
> the reason for not training on all messages is, as other folks have
> pointed out, that classification accuracy suffers when the training
> corpus is too large (around 10K messages).  If these assumptions are
> correct, then why not train on *all* messages in the Unsure folder
> when the user manually classifies them?  The resulting feature
> request would be that when the Unsure folder is selected, SpamBayes
> should display *two* classification buttons:  "Delete As Spam" and
> "Keep As Good".  The "Keep As Good" button would work exactly like
> the "Recover from spam" button in the Spam folder, that is, move the
> message back to its' original watched folder and train on the message
> as ham.  

This is exactly what *should* be happening when you select your Unsure
folder.  You should see both the "Delete As Spam" and "Recover From
Spam" buttons.  If this isn't what you see, could you possibly send a
copy of your spambayes1.log file and maybe some screen caps of your
toolbar and your filtering configuration in SpamBayes Manager to the
list?

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From neale at woozle.org  Tue Nov  4 15:34:32 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Tue Nov  4 15:34:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
In-Reply-To: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44CB@mail1.primeline.com>
	(Andrew
	J. Coutermarsh's message of "Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:18:44 -0500")
References: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44CB@mail1.primeline.com>
Message-ID: <w53d6c7kh47.fsf@woozle.org>

"Andrew J. Coutermarsh" <AndrewC@primeworld.com> writes:

>> I think Andrew meant BCC here.
>
> Actually, no, I meant CC.  Many spam rules in certain programs will
> say "If my name is in the To: line" but say nothing about the CC:
> line, so it WOULD get picked up as well.

Interesting.

For the record, if you're going to do this sort of thing, you need to
check the following headers for your email address:

  To
  Cc
  Bcc
  Original-To
  Original-Cc
  Original-Bcc
  Resent-To
  Resent-Cc
  Resent-Bcc
  Original-Resent-To
  Original-Resent-Cc
  Original-Resent-Bcc
  X-Envelope-To
  Apparently-To
  Apparently-Resent-To

I guess some MTAs add a Bcc line, which sort of misses the point of a
BCC.  I seem to recall that Exchange does this.

Good luck,

Neale

From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Tue Nov  4 16:12:13 2003
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Tue Nov  4 16:12:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible feature request: ham training from
	Unsurefolder
In-Reply-To: <200311042133.hA4LXOuu007935@inbound-mx1.atl.registeredsite.com>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAKEMAFJAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> > If this is correct, I think it exposes a minor weakness.  This is
> > based on the premise that SpamBayes should only train on messages
> > that the system cannot already classify correctly.  This assumes that
> > the reason for not training on all messages is, as other folks have
> > pointed out, that classification accuracy suffers when the training
> > corpus is too large (around 10K messages).  If these assumptions are
> > correct, then why not train on *all* messages in the Unsure folder
> > when the user manually classifies them?  The resulting feature
> > request would be that when the Unsure folder is selected, SpamBayes
> > should display *two* classification buttons:  "Delete As Spam" and
> > "Keep As Good".  The "Keep As Good" button would work exactly like
> > the "Recover from spam" button in the Spam folder, that is, move the
> > message back to its' original watched folder and train on the message
> > as ham.
>
> This is exactly what *should* be happening when you select your Unsure
> folder.  You should see both the "Delete As Spam" and "Recover From
> Spam" buttons.  If this isn't what you see, could you possibly send a
> copy of your spambayes1.log file and maybe some screen caps of your
> toolbar and your filtering configuration in SpamBayes Manager to the
> list?
>
> --
> Kenny Pitt
>
>

I reset the configuration, retrained and verified all the folder selections.
I didn't make any changes, except to add the SpamBayes Spam folder to the
spam training list, though it didn't contain any messages at the time.  When
in the Unsure folder, I now see that the SpamBayes toolbar does not fit
where I placed it and there is a continuation symbol, which I probably
missed before, on the right edge.  Moving things around so all the toolbars
fit, I now see that both buttons display when in the Unsure folder.

Looks like this is a clear case of "pilot error".  Thanks for your patience.

Seth Goodman


From rdfield at voicenet.com  Tue Nov  4 17:28:38 2003
From: rdfield at voicenet.com (R. D. Field)
Date: Tue Nov  4 17:29:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to install
Message-ID: <000001c3a323$04fce010$321447d1@David>



During the install process I get the following error message:

Unable to register the DLL/OCX Dll register werver failed code0x00000000

David Field

www.rdfield.com
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From doctuck at fix.net  Tue Nov  4 19:10:53 2003
From: doctuck at fix.net (Greg Tucker)
Date: Tue Nov  4 19:11:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000001c3a331$4a75b960$6901a8c0@gregtucker>

I love spam bayes, but alas, after working 99.9 % of the time, it

just stopped working, for no apparent reason. I have uninstalled and

reinstalled several times, all to no avail. I am not knowledgeable enough

to file a bug report, so I guess it is adios for now. Damn! I should
probably

clean out the registry and try again in a few weeks. This is one heck

of a product. I had so little spam that I almost felt unwanted, but not

quite.

 

My best to you. If and when a new version is bug free, you can count on

my donation.

 

Thanks, Greg

From JSumpton at EQUAT.com  Tue Nov  4 20:47:15 2003
From: JSumpton at EQUAT.com (Jerry Sumpton)
Date: Tue Nov  4 20:49:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes modified
Message-ID: <NCBBLJLLBFIJMECELIFIIEKAEFAB.JSumpton@EQUAT.com>

Hi,

I would like to talk to someone about a modified version of SpamBayes that
would interrogate a server with a bit of information and then deliver sorted
messages based on the response. We are confident that we would make this
software available and we would facilitate and participate in ongoing
donations based on the use.

It looks like you have the majority of the code written already.

Thanks, Jerry.
From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:11:00 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov  4 21:54:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
In-Reply-To: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44CA@mail1.primeline.com>
Message-ID: <E1AHDoa-0006sD-5I@mail.python.org>

Andrew J. Coutermarsh wrote:
>> can you be more specific?
> 
> Well, what I meant by that is this, for example: If somebody includes
> you in a CC:, it would get snatched up.  Conversely, spammers often
> put your name in the To: line, thus making it go through to your
> inbox.  So while simple CAN work, it's often better to use it in
> conjunction with a filter. 

You may also miss messages sent to mailing lists that you subscribe to,
because mailing lists often only include the list address in the To
field.  Notice that the original message has simply "To:
spambayes@python.org".  If I were using a filter that prevented any
message that did not have my e-mail address in the To field then I would
never have seen it.

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bailo [mailto:jabailo@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: Andrew J. Coutermarsh
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
> 
> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 10:38, Andrew J. Coutermarsh wrote:
>> Yes, but if you do that, you're dramatically increasing the chance of
>> getting false positives and false negatives.  You gotta be careful
>> about 
> 
> can you be more specific?
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
>> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of John Bailo Sent:
>> Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:34 PM 
>> To: spambayes@python.org
>> Subject: [Spambayes] Is simple better?
>> 
>> 
>> I spent a few hours this weekend to get SpamBayes to work, with
>> Evolution on RedHat 9.   I did not succeed.
>> 
>> But then I picked up an idea from a newsgroup about just creating
>> a filter that only allows email with my name in the recipient list
>> through to my inbox. 
>> 
>> Now I am filtering 99 percent of my spam with a simple inbox filter.
>> 
>> less is more.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  4 15:53:06 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov  4 22:13:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How do I download the plugin for Outlook Express?
In-Reply-To: <000801c3a305$280cb030$220a0a0a@XP101>
Message-ID: <E1AHE72-0004pc-6j@mail.python.org>

There isn't a binary installer that works with Outlook Express yet.  You
would have to set it up from source code, which is a rather involved
process if you are an end user.  We are currently testing an installer
that will hopefully be available in the next version of SpamBayes.

Also, please be aware that SpamBayes does not integrate directly with
Outlook Express in the way that the Outlook plugin does with the full
version of Outlook (new toolbar buttons, configuration dialogs, etc).

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From hari.nair at alopa.com  Tue Nov  4 22:51:26 2003
From: hari.nair at alopa.com (Harindranath P R)
Date: Tue Nov  4 22:53:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Accidental 'Delete as spam'
Message-ID: <C7C451378597894195217E99A573E0FF0674B9@anjal.india.alopa.com>

Hi,
	I have been using the outlook plug-in for some time now. Today I have accidentally used the 'Delete as spam' on a valuable mail. So the questions I have are:
	1, Is there any way to recover the mail.
	2, Will this cause problems to mails in future on the same subject or same sender. What can I do to fix it.
	I have been mostly using 'delete as spam' on mails as a training and don't have a big collection of mails to train on. So I'd rather not have to training from scratch.


 Regards,
- Hari.
--

+-------------------------------------------------+
| Harindranath P. R.                              |
+---------------------+---------------------------+
|Alopa Networks Inc.  |phone: +91-80-6618004 (O)  |
|Sunnyvale, USA,      |       +91-80-6768714 (R)  |
|Bangalore, India     |fax:   +91-80-6618057      |
|http://www.alopa.com |email: hari.nair@alopa.com |
+---------------------+---------------------------+ 

From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Nov  4 23:14:33 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Nov  4 23:14:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Accidental 'Delete as spam'
In-Reply-To: <C7C451378597894195217E99A573E0FF0674B9@anjal.india.alopa.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEDHGPAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Harindranath P R]
> 	I have been using the outlook plug-in for some time now.
> Today I have accidentally used the 'Delete as spam' on a valuable
> mail. So the questions I have are:
> 	1, Is there any way to recover the mail.

'Delete as spam' doesn't actually delete anything -- it moves the email to
the Spam folder, and trains the email as spam.  I can't tell you where your
Spam folder is, because *you* chose which folder to use to hold Spam as part
of setting up SpamBayes.

So go to your Spam folder, select each email in turn that you called spam by
mistake, and click on the 'Recover from Spam' button for each.

> 	2, Will this cause problems to mails in future on the same
> subject or same sender.

Certainly -- you told the system they were spam.

> What can I do to fix it.

Nothing beyond the above:  'Recover from Spam' untrains the email as spam,
and moves it back to the folder it originally came from.


From foof at synthcode.com  Wed Nov  5 00:25:45 2003
From: foof at synthcode.com (Alex Shinn)
Date: Wed Nov  5 00:32:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes quit on me
Message-ID: <87znfbl73a.wl@strelka.synthcode.com>

I had been using spambayes 1.0a3 but it recently started failing with a
"non-spam count would go negative" error leaving my inbox full of
hundreds of spam per day.  I tried installing 1.0a6 and resetting my
.hammiedb, but it still fails with the same error:

lain:foof$ sb_mboxtrain.py -d ~/.hammiedb -g /var/mail/foof -s ~/Mail/spam
Training ham (/var/mail/foof):
  Reading as Unix mbox
  Trained 0 out of 0 messages
Training spam (/home/foof/Mail/spam):
  Reading as MH mailbox
  2580Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 315, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 306, in main
    train(h, s, True, force, trainnew, removetrained)
  File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 236, in train
    mhdir_train(h, path, is_spam, force)
  File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 209, in mhdir_train
    msg_train(h, msg, is_spam, force)
  File "/usr/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 82, in msg_train
    h.untrain(msg, not is_spam)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 169, in untrain
    self.bayes.unlearn(tokenize(msg), is_spam)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 218, in unlearn
    self._remove_msg(wordstream, is_spam)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 358, in _remove_msg
    raise ValueError("non-spam count would go negative!")
ValueError: non-spam count would go negative!

lain:foof$ uname -a
Linux lain 2.4.19 #1 SMP Mon Sep 9 12:31:27 CDT 2002 i586 unknown unknown GNU/Linux

lain:foof$ python -V
Python 2.3+

Any ideas?

-- 
Alex

From alan at vaneyk.com  Wed Nov  5 02:09:24 2003
From: alan at vaneyk.com (Alan Wong)
Date: Wed Nov  5 02:20:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Serverside version?
Message-ID: <EC71DBF4CDB3D511A9FD0080C84CF157C795EC@VESERVER>

The Suggested server side solutions are not for windows platforms.
Does anyone have a Spambayes server side solution for MS Exchange on a
windows server platform?

Thanks and Regards
Alan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Meyer, Tony [mailto:T.A.Meyer@massey.ac.nz] 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:19 AM
To: Knut Olav Klo; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Serverside version?

> What I wonder is if you have server side 
> version of this wonderful tool or if I can configure my 
> outlook with... lets say 5 mailboxes and have the spambayes 
> remove spam from all accounts in one outlook?

Do you mean one Outlook profile and 5 accounts that that profile checks?
This works fine.  If you want to use spambayes with different profiles,
I believe that also works fine, although you have to configure each one
separately (since the folders will be different).

> If this works 
> then I can have one outlook up an running with all accounts 
> on my server removeing spam

Check out <http://spambayes.org/server_side.html>, which has notes from
people who have successfully setup spambayes server-side.  There's also
a FAQ about it (link at the end of all list mail).

=Tony Meyer

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From anthony at interlink.com.au  Wed Nov  5 07:17:35 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed Nov  5 07:20:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes version 1.0a7 is released
Message-ID: <200311051217.hA5CHZ2M016109@localhost.localdomain>


The spambayes team is pleased to announce the seventh release of the 
source distribution of spambayes. Get it from the 'Download' page at
    
    http://www.spambayes.org/download.html

The SpamBayes project is working on developing a Bayesian anti-spam filter, 
initially based on the work of Paul Graham. The major difference between this 
and other, similar projects is the emphasis on testing newer approaches to 
scoring messages. 

SpamBayes is not a single application. The core code is a message classifier, 
however there are several applications available as part of the SpamBayes 
project which use the classifier in specific contexts.

More information is available at the Spambayes website at 

    http://www.spambayes.org/

Detailed information on the changes in this release are at the end of this 
message.

Enjoy the new release and your spam-free mailbox :-)

Anthony
(on behalf of the spambayes team)



New in this release (from the file WHAT_IS_NEW.txt in the distribution):

This file covers the major changes between each release.  For more details,
the reader is referred to the changelog (changelog.txt in the main directory
of the archive), or for extreme details, to the check-ins archive (please see
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes-checkins>)
                                                                   
Changes are broken into sections for each application, plus one that will
probably only interest developers, and one for everything else.

Any actions necessary to move to this release from the previous release are
noted in the "Transition" section.

New in Alpha Release 7
======================

--------------------------
** Incompatible changes **
--------------------------

 o If you are using a pickle for storage, your 'message info' database
   would previously still have been a dbm (where available).  This is
   no longer the case - if you are using a pickle for the statistics
   database, you have a pickle for everything.  Your old 'message info'
   database is not converted (and there is no utility provided to do so),
   but you should not suffer any ill effects from this, *unless* you are
   using sb_imapfilter.py.  In that case, you will find that the filter
   trains and classifies all messages in the folders it examines, even
   if it has seen them before - this will only occur once, however.

There should be no other incompatible changes (from 1.0a6) in this release.


POP3 Proxy / SMTP Proxy
-----------------------
 o An error where a failure message would be printed by
   the SMTP proxy, even on success, was fixed.

Web Interface
-------------
 o The bug which caused the "TypeError" when trying to access
   the database after setting a configuration option via the
   interface has been fixed.

POP3 Proxy Service / POP3 Proxy Tray Application
------------------------------------------------
 o Both the pop3proxy_service.py and pop3proxy_tray.py
   scripts are now installed (with "setup.py install") if
   the user is using Windows.

IMAP Filter
-----------
 o Better handle displaying the available folders when server and login
   information is not available.
 o Better handle problems parsing the date.
 o If IMAP over SSL is available, offer it via the web interface.

General
-------
 o Various improvements have been made to the management of the
   'message info' database.  As outlined above, it will now be
   stored as a pickle, if your statistics database uses a pickle.
   In addition, we attempt to close the database when we should,
   and make sure that we explicitly update it.  This should hopefully
   go some way to solving the "DB_RUN_RECOVERY" errors that have
   been regularly reported - we would be interested to hear from
   you if upgrading to 1.0a7 does appear to solve this problem
   for you (email spambayes@python.org).
 o We now try to determine the type of dbm storage used from the
   file, if one already exists.  This should make the transition
   between formats a little easier.
 o Fix sb_xmlrpcserver to work with the renamed (since 1.0a5)
   scripts.
 o Fix the sense of include_trained in sb_mboxtrain.
   

Transition
==========
If you are transitioning from a version older than 1.0a6, please also
read the notes in the previous release notes (accessible from
<http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=61702>).

Other than the changes listed in "Incompatible changes" at the top of
this document, there are no known transition issues.


Reported Bugs Fixed
===================
The following bugs tracked via the Sourceforge system were fixed:
809769, 814322, 816400, 810342, 818552

A URL containing the details of these bugs can be made by appending the
bug number to this URL:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=61702&atid=498103&aid=


Feature Requests Added
======================
No feature requests tracked via the Sourceforge system were added for this
release.


Patches integrated
===================
No patches tracked via the Sourceforge system were integrated for this
release.


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From jbennett at kaac.com  Wed Nov  5 08:02:12 2003
From: jbennett at kaac.com (John C. Bennett--KAAC)
Date: Wed Nov  5 08:02:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] bug?
Message-ID: <ENEPLHAPECHDPNAOHOFHAEBJCPAA.jbennett@kaac.com>

When selecting multiple items in the "Junk Suspects" folder and clicking
"delete as spam" or "recover from spam", Outlook 2000 often hangs and I get
the "This program has experienced a problem and has to close" dialog box.

OS Name	Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version	5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer	Microsoft Corporation
System Manufacturer	Dell Computer Corporation
System Model	OptiPlex GX270
System Type	X86-based PC
Processor	x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9 GenuineIntel ~2992 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date	Dell Computer Corporation A02, 7/16/2003
SMBIOS Version	2.3
Windows Directory	C:\WINDOWS
System Directory	C:\WINDOWS\System32
Boot Device	\Device\HarddiskVolume2
Locale	United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer	Version = "5.1.2600.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920)"
Total Physical Memory	512.00 MB
Available Physical Memory	231.81 MB
Total Virtual Memory	1.72 GB
Available Virtual Memory	1.27 GB
Page File Space	1.22 GB
Page File	C:\pagefile.sys


From jeff.warren at invensys.com  Wed Nov  5 06:11:47 2003
From: jeff.warren at invensys.com (jeff.warren@invensys.com)
Date: Wed Nov  5 08:29:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] No Filterable Mail Items Selected
Message-ID: <OF5F8A0001.41480614-ON00256DD5.0032F35C@ibs.invensys.com>

Hi,

 

I wasn't sure if this was a bug or just operator error; normally spam
emails are detected and filtered correctly but I have received numerous
spam emails that SpamBayes does not seem to be able to filter. The
emails appear to have cells formatted and the text inside them. If one
of these emails is forwarded it is recognised and filtered correctly,
the cells appear to be stripped out at the receiving end. I converted
the email to plain text, but this gave the same result as the HTML
version. 

 

I have attached all the log files there were, plus two samples of emails
that were not detected as spam.

 

I am using XP SP1, Outlook 2002 SP2 and the SpamBayes installation file
used was SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-0081.exe.

 

 

Best regards,

Jeff Warren

Email: jeff.warren@invensys.com

 

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From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Wed Nov  5 08:58:30 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Wed Nov  5 08:58:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes quit on me
In-Reply-To: <87znfbl73a.wl@strelka.synthcode.com>
References: <87znfbl73a.wl@strelka.synthcode.com>
Message-ID: <3FA90206.9020505@videotron.ca>

Hi Alex,

This can happen if you deleted an old database. The email used to train 
the old database contain
X-Spambayes-trained: ham or spam    (or an header similar to this one)

When you work with a new database and change the status of an email 
(used to train the old database) the
number of spam or ham is decreased and this can go negative if you use 
many email used to trained the old database.

What I will do is delete our database (if you still have a bunch of spam 
and ham)
then try the following command line (with the -f)
With the -f the status of the old mail is not taken into account. it 
train on all the

sb_mboxtrain.py -f  -d ~/.hammiedb -g /var/mail/foof -s ~/Mail/spam


Remi

>I had been using spambayes 1.0a3 but it recently started failing with a
>"non-spam count would go negative" error leaving my inbox full of
>hundreds of spam per day.  I tried installing 1.0a6 and resetting my
>.hammiedb, but it still fails with the same error:
>  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 358, in _remove_msg
>    raise ValueError("non-spam count would go negative!")
>ValueError: non-spam count would go negative!
>
>lain:foof$ uname -a
>Linux lain 2.4.19 #1 SMP Mon Sep 9 12:31:27 CDT 2002 i586 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
>
>lain:foof$ python -V
>Python 2.3+
>
>Any ideas?
>
>  
>



From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Wed Nov  5 09:52:27 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Wed Nov  5 09:52:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: [spambayes-dev] More CVS branch/tags questions
Message-ID: <3FA90EAB.1040001@videotron.ca>

Hi,

> > Richie Hindle wrote:
> > No, definitely not!  Fixes made on the bugfix branch should be
> > batch-merged onto the head once in a while, using "cvs up -j".


> That's cool, I didn't know CVS could do that.  I was simply going off
> the previous description of bug fixing that you referenced in your
> previous message.
>
You never know what you will learn from and OpenSource project.......

I printed the explanation so a big thank to "CVS MASTER" Hindle..........
I won't be afraid to branch anymore.....


Remi


From mike at MikeAndKellyCrowe.com  Wed Nov  5 10:47:12 2003
From: mike at MikeAndKellyCrowe.com (Mike Crowe)
Date: Wed Nov  5 11:02:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Whole domain falsly triggering HAM
Message-ID: <3FA91B80.9080007@MikeAndKellyCrowe.com>

Hi folks,

I have a problem where lots of emails from my company are getting into 
possible spam.  Here are the offending lines from the spam clues:


    Spam Score: 32% (0.316305)

word                                spamprob         #ham  #spam
'elcom,'                            0.397725         2771    221
'email addr:elcomrep.com'           0.398081         3668    293


My company is ELCOM, and our domain is elcomrep.com.  I've probably mistrained, but need to know how to fix it.

Using Outlook Plugin version 0.81 (I think, I installed recently but 
can't see how to pull up a version number).

-- 

Cheers!
Mike

From natsysco at cox.net  Wed Nov  5 11:27:34 2003
From: natsysco at cox.net (natsysco@cox.net)
Date: Wed Nov  5 11:27:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
Message-ID: <20031105162732.MESM28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>

STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION, YOU ARE ADDING SPAM TO MY EMAIL...L
> 
> From: spambayes-request@python.org
> Date: 2003/10/31 Fri PM 09:28:44 EST
> To: natsysco@cox.net
> Subject: confirm a20473f683f3015a12504428b98d81bac3a0340b
> 
> Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list
> Spambayes
> 
> We have received a request from 68.104.61.72 for subscription of your
> email address, "natsysco@cox.net", to the spambayes@python.org mailing
> list.  To confirm that you want to be added to this mailing list,
> simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact.  Or
> visit this web page:
> 
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/confirm/spambayes/a20473f683f3015a12504428b98d81bac3a0340b
> 
> 
> Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a
> message to spambayes-request@python.org:
> 
>     confirm a20473f683f3015a12504428b98d81bac3a0340b
> 
> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from
> most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the
> right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay).
> 
> If you do not wish to be subscribed from this list, please simply
> disregard this message.  If you think you are being maliciously
> subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them to
> spambayes-owner@python.org.
> 


From AndrewC at primeworld.com  Wed Nov  5 11:26:35 2003
From: AndrewC at primeworld.com (Andrew J. Coutermarsh)
Date: Wed Nov  5 11:30:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
Message-ID: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44D0@mail1.primeline.com>

It never ceases to amaze me that some people just can't seem to follow
directions.

Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Prime Resources Corp.
I.S. Department
Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
Fx: (203) 551-3324
andrewc@primeworld.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces+andrewc=primeworld.com@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces+andrewc=primeworld.com@python.org] On Behalf Of
natsysco@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:28 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION

STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION, YOU ARE ADDING SPAM TO MY EMAIL...L
> 
> From: spambayes-request@python.org
> Date: 2003/10/31 Fri PM 09:28:44 EST
> To: natsysco@cox.net
> Subject: confirm a20473f683f3015a12504428b98d81bac3a0340b
> 
> Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list
> Spambayes
> 
> We have received a request from 68.104.61.72 for subscription of your
> email address, "natsysco@cox.net", to the spambayes@python.org mailing
> list.  To confirm that you want to be added to this mailing list,
> simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact.  Or
> visit this web page:
> 
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/confirm/spambayes/a20473f683f3015a12504428b98
d81bac3a0340b
> 
> 
> Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a
> message to spambayes-request@python.org:
> 
>     confirm a20473f683f3015a12504428b98d81bac3a0340b
> 
> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from
> most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the
> right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay).
> 
> If you do not wish to be subscribed from this list, please simply
> disregard this message.  If you think you are being maliciously
> subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them to
> spambayes-owner@python.org.
> 


_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From dreed at srdcorp.com  Wed Nov  5 11:31:35 2003
From: dreed at srdcorp.com (Reed, David)
Date: Wed Nov  5 11:34:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
Message-ID: <4C542552EF434E43B2F2572854A73CBD6F6FFA@corp-mail1.srdcorp.com>

No joke...  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew J. Coutermarsh [mailto:AndrewC@primeworld.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:27 AM
To: 'natsysco@cox.net'; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION


It never ceases to amaze me that some people just can't seem to follow
directions.

Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Prime Resources Corp.
I.S. Department
Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
Fx: (203) 551-3324
andrewc@primeworld.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces+andrewc=primeworld.com@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces+andrewc=primeworld.com@python.org] On Behalf Of
natsysco@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:28 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION

STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION, YOU ARE ADDING SPAM TO MY EMAIL...L
> 
> From: spambayes-request@python.org
> Date: 2003/10/31 Fri PM 09:28:44 EST
> To: natsysco@cox.net
> Subject: confirm a20473f683f3015a12504428b98d81bac3a0340b
> 
> Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list
> Spambayes
> 
> We have received a request from 68.104.61.72 for subscription of your
> email address, "natsysco@cox.net", to the spambayes@python.org mailing
> list.  To confirm that you want to be added to this mailing list,
> simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact.  Or
> visit this web page:
> 
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/confirm/spambayes/a20473f683f3015a12504428b98
d81bac3a0340b
> 
> 
> Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a
> message to spambayes-request@python.org:
> 
>     confirm a20473f683f3015a12504428b98d81bac3a0340b
> 
> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from
> most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the
> right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay).
> 
> If you do not wish to be subscribed from this list, please simply
> disregard this message.  If you think you are being maliciously
> subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them to
> spambayes-owner@python.org.
> 


_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Nov  5 11:55:03 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Nov  5 11:55:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Serverside version?
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C368F@cliff.bai.org>

 
> From: Alan Wong
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Serverside version?
> 
> The Suggested server side solutions are not for windows platforms.
> Does anyone have a Spambayes server side solution for MS Exchange on a
> windows server platform?

The open-source Anti-Spam Server Proxy (ASSP) I mentioned does work on
windows servers. You simply need to install Perl, which is free.

It also works with excahnge server, since it works at the SMTP level. If
you want to run them on the same box, you need to change the port that
the windows/exchange SMTP service uses, and run the ASSP on port 25.

See http://assp.sourceforge.net/fom/cache/86.html for info on using it
with Exchange.

From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Nov  5 13:24:12 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Nov  5 13:24:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Whole domain falsly triggering HAM
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3692@cliff.bai.org>



> From: Mike Crowe
> Subject: [Spambayes] Whole domain falsly triggering HAM
> 
> My company is ELCOM, and our domain is elcomrep.com.  I've 
> probably mistrained, but need to know how to fix it.

If you've badly mistrained spambayes, (which it looks like, since you
have a lot of messages from your own domain trained as spam) you
probably need to rebuild your whole training database.

Hand-sort a bunch (hundreds at least) of recent emails into spam and
non-spam folders. You must be sure they are all categorized correctly. I
like to do this with copies of messages.

Then go to the Spambayes Manager, click on the training tab. Choose your
hand-sorted ham and spam folders as the training source, and make sure
that "rebuild database" is checked. Then choose "start training".

I would then turn off the options whereby spambayes trains when you move
messages between folders. This is confusing for some people, and can be
a source of mistraining.

Regards,
	-Ryan-



From mikesmithjunkmail at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  5 14:11:44 2003
From: mikesmithjunkmail at earthlink.net (Mike Smith)
Date: Wed Nov  5 14:11:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Lotus Notes filter error KeyError: ('Hammie',
	'header_spam_string')
Message-ID: <2384386.1068059505079.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Help!  My company has just switched from Outlook to Lotus Notes.  I receive > 300 spam daily, which was managed quite well by the Outlook plug-in, but now it's out of control until I get the notes filter working.  I am runnnig Lotus Notes 5.0.11 on Windows 2000.  Here is what I have done:

Downloaded and installed Python version 2.3.2
Downloaded spambayes-1.0a7.zip, unzipped and ran setup.py build and setup.py install
In notes, created folder spam, with subfolders Ham, Spam, Train as Ham, Train as Spam
Replicated notes to local database msmith1.nsf

Now, if I run sb_notesfilter.py to classify only (no training has been done yet), I get the following:
0 documents processed
   0 classified as spam
   0 classified as ham
   0 classified as unsure
The Spambayes database currently has 0 Spam and 0 Ham

When I try to train, it dies.  Here is the command I'm entering:
C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts>sb_notesfilter.py -t -d spambayes -l c:\apps\N
otes\Data\msmith1.nsf -f spam

Here is the Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_notesfilter.py", line 384, in ?
    sbfname, doTrain, doClassify)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_notesfilter.py", line 321, in run
    processAndTrain(vtrainspam, vspam, bayes, True, notesindex)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_notesfilter.py", line 237, in proce
ssAndTrain
    str = options["Hammie", "header_spam_string"]
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\OptionsClass.py", line
562, in __getitem__
    return self.get(key[0], key[1])
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\OptionsClass.py", line
559, in get
    return self.get_option(sect, opt).get()
  File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\OptionsClass.py", line
553, in get_option
    return self._options[sect, opt]
KeyError: ('Hammie', 'header_spam_string

Am I missing something?

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 14:42:35 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Nov  5 14:43:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Lotus Notes filter error KeyError: ('Hammie',
	'header_spam_string')
In-Reply-To: <2384386.1068059505079.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E1AHTYi-0004jg-NT@mail.python.org>

Mike Smith wrote:
> When I try to train, it dies.  Here is the command I'm entering:
> C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts>sb_notesfilter.py -t -d spambayes
> -l c:\apps\N 
> otes\Data\msmith1.nsf -f spam
> 
> Here is the Traceback:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_notesfilter.py", line
>     384, in ? sbfname, doTrain, doClassify)
>   File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_notesfilter.py", line
>     321, in run processAndTrain(vtrainspam, vspam, bayes, True,
>   notesindex) File "C:\Program
> Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_notesfilter.py", line 237, in proce 
> ssAndTrain
>     str = options["Hammie", "header_spam_string"]
>   File
> "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\OptionsClass.py",
>     line 562, in __getitem__ return self.get(key[0], key[1])
>   File
> "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\OptionsClass.py",
>     line 559, in get return self.get_option(sect, opt).get()
>   File
> "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\OptionsClass.py",
>     line 553, in get_option return self._options[sect, opt]
> KeyError: ('Hammie', 'header_spam_string
> 
> Am I missing something?

No, it's not you, it's a bug in the script.  Some of the options were
renamed or moved for 1.0a7, and it looks like a few references were
missed (probably because not too many people use notesfilter).

Since you have the source, you can fix this yourself for now.  Go into
the scripts subdirectory (under your source directory, not your Python23
directory) and open sb_notesfilter.py in any text editor.  Wherever you
find 'options["Hammie",' just change "Hammie" to "Headers".  Then run
the setup.py build/install commands again to update.

As I mentioned, I don't think sb_notesfilter has been used/tested as
much as some of the other scripts, so this may not be the only thing
that is a bit out-of-date, but good luck.  Keep us updated on how this
works for you.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From richie at entrian.com  Wed Nov  5 14:56:00 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Wed Nov  5 14:56:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Lotus Notes filter error KeyError: ('Hammie',
	'header_spam_string')
In-Reply-To: <2384386.1068059505079.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
References: <2384386.1068059505079.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <50liqvg29dnuk1s4k5hdvf1q5um1r01jop@4ax.com>


[Mike]
> File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_notesfilter.py", line 237, in processAndTrain
>     str = options["Hammie", "header_spam_string"]

I don't know much about the Notes stuff, but that looks like a bug.  That
piece of code should probably be:

    if is_spam:
        str = options["Headers", "header_spam_string"]
    else:
        str = options["Headers", "header_ham_string"]

You can see from spambayes/Options.py that header_spam_string goes in the
Headers section, not the Hammie section.  There are a few other places in
sb_notesfilter.py where similar code ("options["Hammie",
"header_xxx_string"]") appears - that should be changed too.

Mike, does changing "Hammie" to "Headers" in those places fix your
problem?

I'm forwarding this to spambayes-dev to see whether anyone there knows for
sure whether I'm right about this...?

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From skip at pobox.com  Wed Nov  5 15:04:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:04:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Whole domain falsly triggering HAM
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3692@cliff.bai.org>
References: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3692@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <16297.22453.130170.349926@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Ryan> Hand-sort a bunch (hundreds at least) of recent emails into spam
    Ryan> and non-spam folders. You must be sure they are all categorized
    Ryan> correctly. I like to do this with copies of messages.

I would start with a much smaller set, 10-20 of each.  I started from
scratch yesterday and have so far trained on 100 spams and 64 hams.
Seat-of-the-pants it's doing just as good as my old training database which
had 5659 spams and 7363 hams.  Aside from one or two messages used to prime
the pump, all of the 164 messages were unsures or mistakes.

Skip

From cah11 at cornell.edu  Wed Nov  5 15:14:33 2003
From: cah11 at cornell.edu (Carol Ann Halseth)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:14:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Undergraduate Alumni Questionnaire - Please Help
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031105151347.01c80c30@postoffice7.mail.cornell.edu>

Greetings Joshua,
We received your name from the registrar at Cornell as a student who took 
at least 20% of their curricula in the area of East Asia.  Many courses 
such as art, architecture, etc. might not have had the majority of the 
course work as East Asia related, but as with all things it's hard to make 
an exact science.

We're getting in touch with recent graduates whose studies were related to 
East Asia (as explained earlier), to get some information regarding career 
plans. We are interested in your response even if East Asia isn't your 
career objective or your major area of study. We are required to report 
this information (in summary form) to the U.S. Department of Education, 
where we obtain significant grants that help us support East Asian studies 
at Cornell. Please take a moment to complete the form below (fill in the 
blanks) and return it to me (via e-mail is fine). Thank you for taking the 
time to help with this survey!   Time is of the essence, so if you could 
return this by (or before, preferably), July 1 it would be very 
appreciated.  Carol

East Asia Program, 140 Uris Hall, 607/255-5685, fax 607/255-1388, 
cah11@cornell.edu

LAST:
FIRST:
Degree (BA/BS)/ Major(s):
SSN:
MAILING ADDRESS:
PHONE:
PERMANENT (Parent's) ADDRESS:
PERM. PHONE:
AREA of INTEREST:
COUNTRY of INTEREST:
PRC ____  Taiwan ____  Japan ___  Korea ___  Hong Kong ___

NOW THAT YOU'VE OBTAINED YOUR BA, WHAT IS YOUR CAREER  PLAN?

CONTINUED STUDY:
School:
Address:

POST-CU EMPLOYMENT:
Position:
Employer:
Address:

NATIONAL RESOURCE CENTER CAREER CATEGORIES: Please mark only one, either 
your first choice if you are still seeking employment, or the category that 
fits the job named above.
__ US Postsecondary Educational Institution
__ US Elementary or Secondary Educational Institution
__ US Federal, State, or Local Government (including military service)
__ US Private Sector, Non-Profit
__ US Private Sector, For Profit
__ US Museum
__ International or Foreign Organization geographically located IN the US
__ International or Foreign Organization geographically located OUTSIDE the US
__ Out of the Job Market (not seeking employment)

Would you like to receive East Asia Program newsletters (2x/year)?
__ Yes     __ No

Carol Ann Halseth
Admin Supervisor, Fellowship & Travel Grant Coordinator
East Asia Program
140 Uris Hall
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY  14853
tel:  607-255-6222
fax: 607-255-1388
url:  http://www.einaudi.cornell.edu/eastasia/
E-mail:  cah11@cornell.edu 
From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 15:34:13 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Nov  5 15:34:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Undergraduate Alumni Questionnaire - Please Help
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031105151347.01c80c30@postoffice7.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <E1AHUMO-0007iI-DI@mail.python.org>

Carol Ann Halseth wrote:
> Greetings Joshua,
> We received your name from the registrar at Cornell as a student who
> took 
> at least 20% of their curricula in the area of East Asia.  Many
> courses 
> such as art, architecture, etc. might not have had the majority of the
> course work as East Asia related, but as with all things it's hard to
> make 
> an exact science.

OK, this is either a blatant case of mistaken identity, or the strangest
spam I've ever seen. :-)

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From Remi.Ricard at simlog.com  Wed Nov  5 16:17:53 2003
From: Remi.Ricard at simlog.com (Remi Ricard)
Date: Wed Nov  5 16:17:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trying spambayes-1.0a7
Message-ID: <3FA96901.3080404@simlog.com>

Hi,

This is the error message I get when I try to save the configuration in 
the web ui

What I did is:
1- Download spambayes-1.0a7.zip
2- unzip it
3- Go to spambayes-1.0a6 directory
4- setup.py install
5- Go to c:/my_python_script_dir_where_the_spambayes_script_are_copied
6- Start sb_server -b
7- Go to the web interface
8- Add the pop server
pop1.test.ca,pop2.test.ca,pop3,test,ca  (I added real name)
9- Add the port
6110,6111,6112
10- Push the "Save" button
Then bang this error


      500 Server error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 453, in found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\UserInterface.py", line 684, in onChangeopts
    self.reReadOptions()

  File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line 530, in reReadOptions
    state = self.state_recreator()

  File "C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Scripts\SB_SER~1.PY", line 736, in _recreateState
    prepare(state)

  File "C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Scripts\SB_SER~1.PY", line 752, in prepare
    state.createWorkers()

  File "C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Scripts\SB_SER~1.PY", line 623, in createWorkers
    self.bayes = storage.open_storage(filename, self.useDB)

  File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", line 677, in open_storage
    return klass(data_source_name)

  File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", line 162, in __init__
    self.load()

  File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", line 187, in load
    self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)

  File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", line 60, in open
    return f(db_name, mode)

  File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", line 20, in open_dbhash
    return bsddb.hashopen(*args)

error: (22, 'Invalid argument')


Remi




From mikesmithjunkmail at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  5 16:37:15 2003
From: mikesmithjunkmail at earthlink.net (Mike Smith)
Date: Wed Nov  5 16:37:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Lotus Notes filter error KeyError:
	('Hammie','header_spam_string')
Message-ID: <15467598.1068068235545.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Replacing :Hammie" with "Header" worked.

Thank you.  

Mike


Mike Smith wrote:
> When I try to train, it dies.  Here is the command I'm entering:
> C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts>sb_notesfilter.py -t -d spambayes
> -l c:\apps\N 
> otes\Data\msmith1.nsf -f spam
> 
> Here is the Traceback:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_notesfilter.py", line
>     384, in ? sbfname, doTrain, doClassify)
>   File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_notesfilter.py", line
>     321, in run processAndTrain(vtrainspam, vspam, bayes, True,
>   notesindex) File "C:\Program
> Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_notesfilter.py", line 237, in proce 
> ssAndTrain
>     str = options["Hammie", "header_spam_string"]
>   File
> "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\OptionsClass.py",
>     line 562, in __getitem__ return self.get(key[0], key[1])
>   File
> "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\OptionsClass.py",
>     line 559, in get return self.get_option(sect, opt).get()
>   File
> "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\OptionsClass.py",
>     line 553, in get_option return self._options[sect, opt]
> KeyError: ('Hammie', 'header_spam_string
> 
> Am I missing something?

No, it's not you, it's a bug in the script.  Some of the options were
renamed or moved for 1.0a7, and it looks like a few references were
missed (probably because not too many people use notesfilter).

Since you have the source, you can fix this yourself for now.  Go into
the scripts subdirectory (under your source directory, not your Python23
directory) and open sb_notesfilter.py in any text editor.  Wherever you
find 'options["Hammie",' just change "Hammie" to "Headers".  Then run
the setup.py build/install commands again to update.

As I mentioned, I don't think sb_notesfilter has been used/tested as
much as some of the other scripts, so this may not be the only thing
that is a bit out-of-date, but good luck.  Keep us updated on how this
works for you.

-- 
Kenny Pitt

--------------




From russ_foster at comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 15:52:06 2003
From: russ_foster at comcast.net (Russ Foster)
Date: Wed Nov  5 16:57:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
In-Reply-To: <3FA72C59.C42AF6C1@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311051451090.10882-100000@orion.comcast.net>


Nothing highly unusual about the mail pattern. Its less work related and 
more personal contacts.

qsf (Quick Spam Filter), also available from SF.

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, G. Armour Van Horn wrote:

> What's the other product? Anything unusual about the mail pattern on that
> account?


From russ_foster at comcast.net  Wed Nov  5 15:56:54 2003
From: russ_foster at comcast.net (Russ Foster)
Date: Wed Nov  5 17:02:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
In-Reply-To: <w53he1klmkw.fsf@woozle.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311051452570.10882-100000@orion.comcast.net>


Yes, I'm trying to get SpamBayes installed on a RedHat 7.3 system.

My problem is getting the latest version of Python. Here's the 
output:

--

[root@orion Python-2.3.2]# ./configure
checking MACHDEP... linux2
checking EXTRAPLATDIR...
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for --with-cxx=<compiler>... no
checking for c++... c++
checking for C++ compiler default output... a.out
checking whether the C++ compiler works... configure: error: cannot run 
C++ compiled programs.
If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'.
See `config.log' for more details.
[root@orion Python-2.3.2]#

--

Any ideas?

-r


On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Neale Pickett wrote:
> I can only assume from this comment that you're using an RPM-based
> system.  You may have a better luck installing Python from source.  You
> can download the source tarball from python.org, untar it somewhere,
> then (as root):
> 
>   ./configure && make install
> 
> After a few minutes, you should have a working version of Python, which
> should be all you need to get SpamBayes installed.
> 
> Let me know how that goes :)


From richie at entrian.com  Wed Nov  5 17:13:07 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Wed Nov  5 17:13:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trying spambayes-1.0a7
In-Reply-To: <3FA96901.3080404@simlog.com>
References: <3FA96901.3080404@simlog.com>
Message-ID: <5vsiqv0d97em3ain6gnlv926hjm5p10p7s@4ax.com>


[Remi]
> error: (22, 'Invalid argument')

I just followed your instructions exactly but had no error.  Two things
strike me as odd about your stack trace.  One is the location of your
spambayes library - Python is in C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\, but
spambayes is in c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes.  I'd have expected
spambayes to be in C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Lib\site-packages - is it
possible you have a PYTHONPATH, or a .pth file, that's pointing to the
wrong spambayes library?  If you type 'python -c "import spambayes; print
spambayes.__file__"', what do you get?  Is it what you're expecting, given
that you've run the standard spambayes installer?

The other thing which is odd is those traceback pathnames - why the
DOS-style filenames, C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Scripts\SB_SER~1.PY?
Are you running an unusual build of Python, or running in an unusual
environment?

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Wed Nov  5 21:07:43 2003
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Wed Nov  5 21:07:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] repeatable condition where SpamBayes misses new message
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEEFFKAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

I have background processing set to wait 10 seconds before starting and 1
second between messages.  I use the preview pane on the Inbox and things are
set to change a message from Unread to Read after it is displayed in the
preview pane for two seconds.  When a new message hits the inbox, if the
cursor was previously at the top of the Inbox (most recent message), the
cursor will move to the new message (who told it to do that?).  After 2
seconds in the preview pane, the new message will change from Unread to Read
before the 10 second SpamBayes timer delay runs out.  When this occurs,
SpamBayes neither scores nor moves the new message:  it obviously no longer
sees it as new.  This appears to be repeatable.

This explains at least one condition where SpamBayes does not get triggered
on a new message.  Since there appears to be a general problem triggering
SpamBayes exactly one time for every new message, and there is some conflict
with the Outlook rule processor, it would be *nice* if something could be
done to fix this.  Here are a few admittedly naive suggestions.  Perhaps one
of them may be useful to you.

Scenario I) When you get your "folder add event" or the start timer delay
times out, check the watched folders for messages with no spam score that
are not already on the list of messages to be processed.  This would also be
a good time to check the list for duplicate message ID's, if you still get
those.  Then process messages as usual.

Scenario II) Do the initial scoring in a POP3 proxy and put the score in one
X- header line and the classification in another X- header line.  This
insures that every message is scored exactly once.  Use an Outlook rule to
move the message into either the Unsure or Spam folders, if appropriate.
Process all other Outlook rules after this one.  Disable the incremental
training option so folder moves do not cause training and don't trigger on
"folder add events".  Use only the toolbar buttons for reclassification and
retraining.  Delete the background processing option.

Scenario III) Instead of triggering on "folder add events", run your process
as a "custom action" in an Outlook rule that runs whenever a new message
appears.  The internal mechanism for triggering rules when new messages show
up seems to be reliable.  Microsoft has provided a prototype "custom action"
called Launcher.dll that calls a designated external program with a new
message ID.  Process all other Outlook rules after this one.  Disable the
incremental training option so folder moves do not cause training and don't
trigger on "folder add events".  Use only the toolbar buttons for
reclassification and retraining.  Delete the background processing option.

The code for Launcher.dll is at

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/TechNet/samples/BOES/BO/MAILEXCH/exchange/a
ppfarm/

as the file "Printex.exe".  This is a self-extractor that will expand to the
proper directory structure when invoked with "Printex.exe -d".  The
Readme.txt file explains how to get Launcher.dll to call whatever external
program you want and pass it the message ID of the new message.  It includes
a printing application (Exprint) that prints out a message for testing
purposes.


Seth Goodman


From foof at synthcode.com  Wed Nov  5 21:48:43 2003
From: foof at synthcode.com (Alex Shinn)
Date: Wed Nov  5 21:54:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes quit on me
In-Reply-To: <3FA90206.9020505@videotron.ca>
References: <87znfbl73a.wl@strelka.synthcode.com>
	<3FA90206.9020505@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <87vfpyky9g.wl@strelka.synthcode.com>

At Wed, 05 Nov 2003 08:58:30 -0500, papaDoc wrote:
> 
> What I will do is delete our database (if you still have a bunch of
> spam and ham) then try the following command line (with the -f) With
> the -f the status of the old mail is not taken into account.
> 
> sb_mboxtrain.py -f  -d ~/.hammiedb -g /var/mail/foof -s ~/Mail/spam

Thanks Remi, that did the trick.  I'm not sure why it stopped working
the first time (before I deleted the db), but it's back to normal now.

-- 
Alex

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Wed Nov  5 23:32:44 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Wed Nov  5 23:33:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.0a7 - windows proxy_tray installation 
In-Reply-To: <3FA9CE74.30408@swiftdsl.com.au> 
Message-ID: <200311060432.hA64WiVL001903@localhost.localdomain>



>>> Phil Pierotti wrote
> Let me prefix this by saying that I'm sure I've got a screw loose here, 
> or something.
> 
> Was happily running 1.0a6
> DOwnloaded the ZIP
> UnZipped
> Ran setup.py install
> went to Python23 and ran Scripts\pop3proxy_service.py
> 
> Fine and dandy
> when I run Scripts\pop3proxy_tray.py it says:
> 
> C:\Python23>Scripts\pop3proxy_tray.py
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "C:\Python23\Scripts\pop3proxy_tray.py", line 467, in ?
>     main()
>   File "C:\Python23\Scripts\pop3proxy_tray.py", line 463, in main
>     w = MainWindow()
>   File "C:\Python23\Scripts\pop3proxy_tray.py", line 164, in __init__
>     0, icon_flags)
> pywintypes.error: (2, 'LoadImage', 'The system cannot find the file 
> specified.')
> 
> what am I missing/misunderstanding?

I have no idea, I'm afraid - I'm just the release monkey <wink>. I'm
cc'ing the SB list for more clues.


From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Wed Nov  5 23:52:30 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Wed Nov  5 23:52:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311051452570.10882-100000@orion.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3FA9D38E.E0C6121@whidbey.com>

This sounds like a problem I ran into with another Python program, but I no
longer remember exactly which program it was, or even which of my Red Hat
machines it was on.

However, at least through 7.3 and possibly later, Red Hat depends on having
Python 1.57 (I think) available for certain internal functions. Therefore,
the later versions of Python install as "Python2" instead of "Python" and
programs that need the later need to be specifically pointed at that.

In the earlier case, it took a "configure with python=/path/to/python2" to
make the program work.

Does someone more on top of these things remember the specifics, and know how
Russ can use them in this case?

Van

Russ Foster wrote:

> Yes, I'm trying to get SpamBayes installed on a RedHat 7.3 system.
>
> My problem is getting the latest version of Python. Here's the
> output:
>
> --
>
> [root@orion Python-2.3.2]# ./configure
> checking MACHDEP... linux2
> checking EXTRAPLATDIR...
> checking for --without-gcc... no
> checking for --with-cxx=<compiler>... no
> checking for c++... c++
> checking for C++ compiler default output... a.out
> checking whether the C++ compiler works... configure: error: cannot run
> C++ compiled programs.
> If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'.
> See `config.log' for more details.
> [root@orion Python-2.3.2]#
>
> --
>
> Any ideas?
>
> -r
>
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Neale Pickett wrote:
> > I can only assume from this comment that you're using an RPM-based
> > system.  You may have a better luck installing Python from source.  You
> > can download the source tarball from python.org, untar it somewhere,
> > then (as root):
> >
> >   ./configure && make install
> >
> > After a few minutes, you should have a working version of Python, which
> > should be all you need to get SpamBayes installed.
> >
> > Let me know how that goes :)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

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From phil.pierotti at swiftdsl.com.au  Thu Nov  6 00:06:40 2003
From: phil.pierotti at swiftdsl.com.au (Phil Pierotti)
Date: Thu Nov  6 00:06:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.0a7 - windows proxy_tray installation
In-Reply-To: <200311060432.hA64WiVL001903@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200311060432.hA64WiVL001903@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3FA9D6E0.3000409@swiftdsl.com.au>

Found the issue:      paths for the icon resources etc....
in pop3proxy_tray.py (line #144 onwards)

        startedIconPathName = 
"%s\\..\\windows\\resources\\sb-started.ico" % \
                       (os.path.dirname(sb_server.__file__),)
        stoppedIconPathName = 
"%s\\..\\windows\\resources\\sb-stopped.ico" % \
                       (os.path.dirname(sb_server.__file__),)
        # When 1.0a6 is released, the above line will need to change to:
##        iconPathName = "%s\\..\\windows\\resources\\sbicon.ico" % \
##                       (os.path.dirname(sb_server.__file__),)

[mebbe I didn't install something the way it was expecting]
But what I see is that under the distribution, there's
    windows\pop3proxy_*.py ("the scripts")
    windows\resources\ (with all the .ico etc resources for the systray 
program)

The scripts are installed under
    \Python23\Scripts
by setuup.py, but there's no corresponding  
    \Python23\windows\resources\
with all the icon/resources

So:

(a) did I not install something properly
(b) dd the installer not install the resources properly
(c) are the paths in the script wrong
(d) all of the above
(e) none of the above, I'm just smoking too much crack (as per usual)

Thanks,
Phil P

Anthony Baxter wrote:

>  
>
>>>>Phil Pierotti wrote
>>>>        
>>>>
>>Let me prefix this by saying that I'm sure I've got a screw loose here, 
>>or something.
>>
>>Was happily running 1.0a6
>>DOwnloaded the ZIP
>>UnZipped
>>Ran setup.py install
>>went to Python23 and ran Scripts\pop3proxy_service.py
>>
>>Fine and dandy
>>when I run Scripts\pop3proxy_tray.py it says:
>>
>>C:\Python23>Scripts\pop3proxy_tray.py
>>Traceback (most recent call last):
>>  File "C:\Python23\Scripts\pop3proxy_tray.py", line 467, in ?
>>    main()
>>  File "C:\Python23\Scripts\pop3proxy_tray.py", line 463, in main
>>    w = MainWindow()
>>  File "C:\Python23\Scripts\pop3proxy_tray.py", line 164, in __init__
>>    0, icon_flags)
>>pywintypes.error: (2, 'LoadImage', 'The system cannot find the file 
>>specified.')
>>
>>what am I missing/misunderstanding?
>>    
>>
>
>I have no idea, I'm afraid - I'm just the release monkey <wink>. I'm
>cc'ing the SB list for more clues.
>
>
>
>  
>




From jlriehm at itctel.com  Thu Nov  6 08:58:15 2003
From: jlriehm at itctel.com (Lois Riehm)
Date: Thu Nov  6 09:23:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <000801c3a46e$07fec200$5314ddcc@jlriehm>

I need spam help- I thought it was free- jlriehm@itctel.com thank you
From Remi.Ricard at simlog.com  Thu Nov  6 09:37:36 2003
From: Remi.Ricard at simlog.com (Remi Ricard)
Date: Thu Nov  6 09:37:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trying spambayes-1.0a7
In-Reply-To: <5vsiqv0d97em3ain6gnlv926hjm5p10p7s@4ax.com>
References: <3FA96901.3080404@simlog.com>
	<5vsiqv0d97em3ain6gnlv926hjm5p10p7s@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <3FAA5CB0.8000509@simlog.com>

Hi Richie,


>I just followed your instructions exactly but had no error.  Two things
>strike me as odd about your stack trace.  One is the location of your
>spambayes library - Python is in C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\, but
>spambayes is in c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes.  
>
UsuallyI was running spambayes from CVS in a given directory. Since I 
wanted to install version
1.0a7 I did the installation.

>I'd have expected
>spambayes to be in C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Lib\site-packages - is it
>possible you have a PYTHONPATH, or a .pth file, that's pointing to the
>wrong spambayes library?  
>

When I was coming back home I though "Hey my python path point to my old 
spambayes location
but is it more than that

>If you type 'python -c "import spambayes; print
>spambayes.__file__"', what do you get?  
>

This is what I get:
python -c "import spambayes; print spambayes.__file__": not found

>Is it what you're expecting, given that you've run the standard spambayes installer?
>
No

>The other thing which is odd is those traceback pathnames - why the
>DOS-style filenames, C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Scripts\SB_SER~1.PY?
>Are you running an unusual build of Python, or running in an unusual
>environment?
>
Ok this is my setup
I'm running Windows 2000
cygwin is installed
and
mks
I'm doing my command in an MKS Korn Shell window

When I was doing "which python" I was getting     
c:/cygwin/bin/python.exe    oups....
So I added c:/somedir/Python/Python-2.2.2 in front of the cygwin 
directory in my path
Now when I do "which python" I'm getting     
c:/devtools/Python/Python-2.2.2/python.exe
My environment variable PYTHONPATH is set to 
c:/devtools/Python/Python-2.2.2    is this correct ????

After changing the environment variable and the path
I cleaned the python-2.2.2/Scripts from spambayes stuff and also the 
Lib/site-packages
Then I reinstalled everything
setup.py install
I got
spambayes-1.0a7% setup.py install
running install
running build
running build_py
not copying spambayes\cdb.py (output up-to-date)
<cut------->
running build_scripts
not copying scripts\sb_client.py (up-to-date)
<cut----------->
running install_lib
creating C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Lib\site-packages\spambayes
copying build\lib\spambayes\cdb.py -> 
C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Lib\site-packages\spambayes
<cut------->
running install_scripts
copying build\scripts-2.2\pop3proxy_service.py -> 
C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Scripts

This look go to me






spambayes-1.0a7% setup.py install
running install
running build
running build_py
not copying spambayes\cdb.py (output up-to-date)
not copying spambayes\cdb_classifier.py (output up-to-date)
not copying spambayes\chi2.py (output up-to-date)
<cut><cut>
running build_scripts
not copying scripts\sb_client.py (up-to-date)
not copying scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py (up-to-date)
<cut><cut>
running install_lib
not copying build\lib\spambayes\cdb.py (output up-to-date)
not copying build\lib\spambayes\cdb_classifier.py (output up-to-date)
not copying build\lib\spambayes\chi2.py (output up-to-date)
<cut><cut>
skipping byte-compilation of 
C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\cdb.py to cdb.pyc
<cut><cut>
skipping byte-compilation of 
C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Lib\site-packages\spa
mbayes\cdb.py to cdb.pyc


>
>  
>



From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 10:22:18 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Thu Nov  6 10:22:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes 1.0a7 - windows proxy_tray installation
In-Reply-To: <3FA9D6E0.3000409@swiftdsl.com.au>
Message-ID: <E1AHly3-0001r1-KB@mail.python.org>

Phil Pierotti wrote:
> [mebbe I didn't install something the way it was expecting]
> But what I see is that under the distribution, there's
>     windows\pop3proxy_*.py ("the scripts")
>     windows\resources\ (with all the .ico etc resources for the
> systray program)
> 
> The scripts are installed under
>     \Python23\Scripts
> by setuup.py, but there's no corresponding
>     \Python23\windows\resources\
> with all the icon/resources
> 
> So:
> 
> (a) did I not install something properly
> (b) dd the installer not install the resources properly
> (c) are the paths in the script wrong
> (d) all of the above
> (e) none of the above, I'm just smoking too much crack (as per usual)

Looks like you hit the nail right on the head.  Glad I finished reading
my inbox before replying to your previous message <wink>.

At some point in the not-too-distant past, a decision was made that the
Windows scripts pop3proxy_service.py and pop3proxy_tray.py should be
installed to the Python Scripts directory along with the other
command-line scripts.  It seems this was a bit premature, as
pop3proxy_tray obviously isn't designed to be run that way.  When run
from source, the icon resources are required to be present in a
directory structure that isn't appropriate for installing into the main
Python directory.

For now, you should be able to get around this problem by going to the
windows dir in your original source tree and running pop3proxy_tray.py
from there.  I've CC'd the spambayes-dev list in hopes that someone can
take a look at this.  At the very least, we should probably stop copying
it to the Python\Scripts directory until the problem is fixed.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From skip at pobox.com  Thu Nov  6 15:21:31 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Nov  6 15:21:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
In-Reply-To: <000801c3a46e$07fec200$5314ddcc@jlriehm>
References: <000801c3a46e$07fec200$5314ddcc@jlriehm>
Message-ID: <16298.44363.118835.725353@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Lois> I need spam help- I thought it was free-

Yes, SpamBayes is free.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
          http://www.mojam.com/
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/

From olli.marttila at kolumbus.fi  Thu Nov  6 16:19:10 2003
From: olli.marttila at kolumbus.fi (Olli J. Marttila)
Date: Thu Nov  6 16:19:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / No module named
	zlib ?
Message-ID: <200311062319.10448.olli.marttila@kolumbus.fi>

Dear list,

I overcome the first hurdles in installing Spambayes0.7 in 
SuSE Linux 8.2 by compiling python 2.3.2 instead of the 
default rpm-file. As my e-mail protocol is IMAP, I run 
sb_imapfilter.py -b with the following result:

------------------

marttila@linux:~> sb_imapfilter.py -b
SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 
0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 825, in ?
    run()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 801, in run
    IMAPSession))
  File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/ImapUI.py", 
line 116, in __init__
    UserInterface.UserInterface.__init__(self, cls, 
parm_map, adv_map)
  File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/UserInterface.py", 
line 246, in __init__
    BaseUserInterface.__init__(self)
  File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/UserInterface.py", 
line 116, in __init__
    htmlSource, self._images = self.readUIResources()
  File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/UserInterface.py", 
line 232, in readUIResources
    from spambayes.resources import ui_html
  File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/resources/ui_html.py", 
line 7, in ?
    import zlib
ImportError: No module named zlib

--------------

Yet I have both zlib-1.1.4-105 and zlib-devel-1.1.4-105 
installed from SuSE home site. 

In addition, writing URL http://localhost:8880 leads to an 
advertisment site www.netbreakthrough.com - apparently 
because the installation did not get through.

So Iam still at a loss what to do. Can anyone help me?

Olli J. Marttila

From richie at entrian.com  Thu Nov  6 16:44:15 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Thu Nov  6 16:44:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / No module
	named zlib ?
In-Reply-To: <200311062319.10448.olli.marttila@kolumbus.fi>
References: <200311062319.10448.olli.marttila@kolumbus.fi>
Message-ID: <fqflqv049hku2k2qkldp4kd9b4m7r379g6@4ax.com>


[Olli]
> In addition, writing URL http://localhost:8880 leads to an 
> advertisment site www.netbreakthrough.com - apparently 
> because the installation did not get through.

I can't help you with your build problems, but this is down to a feature
of Mozilla whereby if it can't find the address you're looking for then it
does an I'm-feeling-lucky Google search for whatever the address is.  The
clever folks behind www.netbreakthrough.com have registered
www.localhost.com.au, managed to make it Google's first-ranked hit for
"localhost", then made it redirect to www.netbreakthrough.com.  They
probably get a million hits a day from that.  8-)

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From admin at eco.com.au  Thu Nov  6 16:45:11 2003
From: admin at eco.com.au (Anna Tredwell)
Date: Thu Nov  6 16:45:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Good Job
Message-ID: <000001c3a4af$44c83770$0200000a@wwwafhgkzf27j5>

Hi,

I just wanted to write a quick thank you, you probably only ever get people
emailing to complain about problems, I thought I would reverse the trend and
say thanks.  I had a problem with my SpamBayes not filtering and instead of
instinctively reaching for the send button to complain I sat myself down and
read through your trouble shooting guide.  Surprise surprise, I actually
fixed the problem myself!  Thanks to all the support staff who spend time
writing these detailed solutions to probs, you should be congratulated.

Thanks again and keep up the good work ? SpamBayes is a god send!!!!

 

at

 

 


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date: 3/11/2003
 
From Russell at roanestate.edu  Thu Nov  6 16:49:16 2003
From: Russell at roanestate.edu (Russell, Gail)
Date: Thu Nov  6 16:49:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enable Spambayes
Message-ID: <C34788CB9D11BC449275FA20E2E871FFAEFB4B@mailsrv2.rscc.cc.tn.us>

When I installed Spambayes I noticed a "Junk Mail" folder in my inbox.  Now the Junk Mail folder is gone (I did not delete it) and I'm getting a message that I must enable Spambayes.  How do I do that?  I checked FAQ and don't see it listed.
 
Gail Russell, Placement and Alumni Relations
Roane State Community College
276 Patton Lane
Harriman, TN  37748
865-882-4695 (phone)
865-882-4554 (phone)
 
From richie at entrian.com  Thu Nov  6 17:10:23 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Thu Nov  6 17:10:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Good Job
In-Reply-To: <000001c3a4af$44c83770$0200000a@wwwafhgkzf27j5>
References: <000001c3a4af$44c83770$0200000a@wwwafhgkzf27j5>
Message-ID: <3khlqvopaug0bkg8jeqplmrk5nbsdu3c3f@4ax.com>


[Anna]
> I just wanted to write a quick thank you [...] you should be congratulated.

Thanks for the thanks - it's messages like this (and the private yachts)
that keep us going!

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From strav24 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  6 17:16:05 2003
From: strav24 at hotmail.com (Jimmy Stavropoulos)
Date: Thu Nov  6 17:16:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enhancement Suggestion for Envelope in System Tray
Message-ID: <Law10-F119AWdBzDIGF000411db@hotmail.com>

In the FAQ question 3.8 "How can I get rid of the envelope tray icon for 
spam?", it states that this cannot be done by SpamBayes.

Rather than trying to get rid of the Outlook envelope icon, why doesn't 
SpamBayes optionally display it's own envelope icon.  SpamBayes knows when a 
message arrives and it also knows whether it was moved to a Spam folder.  
Therefore, it can display its own icon in the system tray to represent when 
a non-Spam message arrives.  It should also optionally show up for possible 
spam.

I have no problem adding another icon to my system tray to avoid 
interuptions at work every 5 minutes to check if my mail is Spam or 
legitimate.

- Jimmy S.

_________________________________________________________________
Is your computer infected with a virus?  Find out with a FREE computer virus 
scan from McAfee.  Take the FreeScan now! 
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From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Nov  6 17:24:55 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Nov  6 17:24:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] repeatable condition where SpamBayes misses new
	message
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEEFFKAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <021b01c3a4b4$cebae810$0500a8c0@eden>

Thanks for the note.  You ar 100% correct in your analysis of the problem.

Wouldn't another solution simply be to set the background processing to a
much lower value?  Remember the intention here is to prevent conflicts with
the builtin rules - I have mine set around the defaults of a 1/2 seconds.
This way it will be processed before the preview-pane marks it as read.

Another potential solution would be to see if I can determine the 'selected'
message in the preview pane, and explicitly score it ignoring the 'read'
state of just that one message.

Either way, it is unlikely to happen unless someone steps up to try and do
some of it.  We are far more likely to spend time helping people add
features than trying to keep up with them all ourselves!

Regards,

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Seth Goodman
> Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 1:08 PM
> To: SpamBayes Email Forum
> Subject: [Spambayes] repeatable condition where SpamBayes misses new
> message
>
>
> I have background processing set to wait 10 seconds before
> starting and 1
> second between messages.  I use the preview pane on the Inbox
> and things are
> set to change a message from Unread to Read after it is
> displayed in the
> preview pane for two seconds.  When a new message hits the
> inbox, if the
> cursor was previously at the top of the Inbox (most recent
> message), the
> cursor will move to the new message (who told it to do
> that?).  After 2
> seconds in the preview pane, the new message will change from
> Unread to Read
> before the 10 second SpamBayes timer delay runs out.  When
> this occurs,
> SpamBayes neither scores nor moves the new message:  it
> obviously no longer
> sees it as new.  This appears to be repeatable.
>
> This explains at least one condition where SpamBayes does not
> get triggered
> on a new message.  Since there appears to be a general
> problem triggering
> SpamBayes exactly one time for every new message, and there
> is some conflict
> with the Outlook rule processor, it would be *nice* if
> something could be
> done to fix this.  Here are a few admittedly naive
> suggestions.  Perhaps one
> of them may be useful to you.
>
> Scenario I) When you get your "folder add event" or the start
> timer delay
> times out, check the watched folders for messages with no
> spam score that
> are not already on the list of messages to be processed.
> This would also be
> a good time to check the list for duplicate message ID's, if
> you still get
> those.  Then process messages as usual.
>
> Scenario II) Do the initial scoring in a POP3 proxy and put
> the score in one
> X- header line and the classification in another X- header line.  This
> insures that every message is scored exactly once.  Use an
> Outlook rule to
> move the message into either the Unsure or Spam folders, if
> appropriate.
> Process all other Outlook rules after this one.  Disable the
> incremental
> training option so folder moves do not cause training and
> don't trigger on
> "folder add events".  Use only the toolbar buttons for
> reclassification and
> retraining.  Delete the background processing option.
>
> Scenario III) Instead of triggering on "folder add events",
> run your process
> as a "custom action" in an Outlook rule that runs whenever a
> new message
> appears.  The internal mechanism for triggering rules when
> new messages show
> up seems to be reliable.  Microsoft has provided a prototype
> "custom action"
> called Launcher.dll that calls a designated external program
> with a new
> message ID.  Process all other Outlook rules after this one.
> Disable the
> incremental training option so folder moves do not cause
> training and don't
> trigger on "folder add events".  Use only the toolbar buttons for
> reclassification and retraining.  Delete the background
> processing option.
>
> The code for Launcher.dll is at
>
> ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/TechNet/samples/BOES/BO/MAILE
XCH/exchange/a
ppfarm/

as the file "Printex.exe".  This is a self-extractor that will expand to the
proper directory structure when invoked with "Printex.exe -d".  The
Readme.txt file explains how to get Launcher.dll to call whatever external
program you want and pass it the message ID of the new message.  It includes
a printing application (Exprint) that prints out a message for testing
purposes.


Seth Goodman


_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Nov  6 17:29:47 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Nov  6 17:29:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes - a few more steps forward in Czech
	inplugin 0081 
In-Reply-To: <AMEILCAPNMPBCIINNAHIMEFMCCAA.erik@sky.cz>
Message-ID: <021c01c3a4b5$7c673400$0500a8c0@eden>

Thanks Erik,
  We are tracking this in
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=835435&group_id=61
702&atid=498103 - see a potential work-around in that bug.  I will be able
to fix this for the next release.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Erik Piper
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2003 4:52 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spambayes - a few more steps forward in Czech
> inplugin 0081
>
>
> Sure, Anthony. Shame I didn't remember to do so in the first place.
>
> Exception in thread Thread-1:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "out1.pyz/threading", line 436, in __bootstrap
>   File "out1.pyz/threading", line 416, in run
>   File "out1.pyz/dialogs.async_processor", line 226, in thread_target
>   File "out1.pyz/train", line 169, in trainer
>   File "out1.pyz/manager", line 311, in Adopt
>   File "out1.pyz/shutil", line 170, in move
>   File "out1.pyz/shutil", line 83, in copy2
>   File "out1.pyz/shutil", line 58, in copystat
> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character
> u'\xed' in position
> 52: ordinal not in range(128)
>
> The precise same footprint in the traceback arises when I
> repro the "soft
> hang" of training in the Training tab, mentioned in the
> original e-mail.
>
> At the risk of supplying useless information, here's the log
> from stepping
> through the configuration wizard:
>
> (...prelude...)
> Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\Administrator\Data
> aplikaci\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
> Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
> Settings\Administrator\Data
> aplikaci\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
> Bayes database initialized with 2 spam and 72 good messages
> *** - message database has 44 messages - bayes has 74 -
> something is screwey
>
> (...)
>
> GetNextPage with current 0 IDD_WIZARD_WELCOME
> GetNextPage with current 3 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_TRAIN
> About to train with really_really_long_string_of_gobbledygook
> Checked 72 in folder Ham - 72 new entries found.
> Checked 2 in folder Junk E-Mail - 2 new entries found.
> GetNextPage with current 4 IDD_WIZARD_TRAIN
> GetNextPage with current 1 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_WATCH
> GetNextPage with current 2 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_REST
> Wizard Done!
> Saving wizard changes
> Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Data
> aplikaci\SpamBayes\Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.ini
>
> In other words, even though Spambayes throws me an error
> dialog, no event is
> logged.
>
> By the way, I can no longer repro the failure of the "Recover
> from Spam" and
> "Delete as Spam" buttons; if I can confirm a set of repro steps in the
> future, I'll let y'all know.
>
> Erik Piper
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Baxter [mailto:anthony@interlink.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:52 AM
> To: Erik Piper
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Spambayes - a few more steps forward
> in Czech in
> plugin 0081
>
>
>
> >>> "Erik Piper" wrote
>
> > Home computer (W2K CZ, Outlook 2K CZ): Installation fine,
> startup fine.
> But:
> > 1. clicking the Data Folder button in the Advanced tab
> leads to an error
> > dialog:
> > SpamBayes
> > 	'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xed' in
> position 52: ordinal no
> t in
> > range(128)
>
> Can you post the entire traceback here?
>
> Anthony
>
> --
> Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>
> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From skip at pobox.com  Thu Nov  6 17:47:17 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Nov  6 17:47:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Good Job
In-Reply-To: <3khlqvopaug0bkg8jeqplmrk5nbsdu3c3f@4ax.com>
References: <000001c3a4af$44c83770$0200000a@wwwafhgkzf27j5>
	<3khlqvopaug0bkg8jeqplmrk5nbsdu3c3f@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <16298.53109.675350.641694@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Richie> [Anna]
    >> I just wanted to write a quick thank you [...] you should be
    >> congratulated.

    Richie> Thanks for the thanks - it's messages like this (and the private
    Richie> yachts) that keep us going!

Actually, it's not necessary to show your thanks by actually giving us your
private yacht.  We're nearly as happy if we can borrow it on weekends. ;-)

can-you-please-make-sure-the-bar-is-stocked-this-time?-ly, y'rs,

Skip

From pekka.takala at pp.inet.fi  Thu Nov  6 18:10:20 2003
From: pekka.takala at pp.inet.fi (Pekka Takala)
Date: Thu Nov  6 18:09:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Multi-user-capabilities of Spambayes
Message-ID: <3FAAD4DC.4040701@pp.inet.fi>

Hi

I am using Spambayes to filter my e-mail. All worked fine before my 
girlfriend also wanted that the mail should be filtered for she also.

How can I get it working so that when I start up my e-mail client 
Netscape the spambayes works with my account, and when my girlfriend 
uses Netscape to read her mail, the spambayes works with her account. 
The problem is that the web interface won't know which of us is using 
the system and so she can read my emails by just typing in localhost:8880.

I have tried to script the netscape, only getting problems that it 
cannot create the pop3 cache folders to /home/ptakala/ or /home/phambu, 
depending on which one of us started the netscape.

Could this be somehow fixed so that we get our mailbox caches to our own 
home folders?

-- 
Pekka "Pihti" Takala
Nothing can be so bad that you cannot find something good in it!
65XXX assembler programmer/developer, linux user


From richie at entrian.com  Thu Nov  6 18:26:24 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Thu Nov  6 18:26:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Multi-user-capabilities of Spambayes
In-Reply-To: <3FAAD4DC.4040701@pp.inet.fi>
References: <3FAAD4DC.4040701@pp.inet.fi>
Message-ID: <vkllqvos2v5oc9mm7o00p9a42nmc0gkmea@4ax.com>


[Pekka]
> How can I get it working so that when I start up my e-mail client 
> Netscape the spambayes works with my account, and when my girlfriend 
> uses Netscape to read her mail, the spambayes works with her account. 
> The problem is that the web interface won't know which of us is using 
> the system and so she can read my emails by just typing in localhost:8880.

The only way to let two people use sb_server without being to see each
other's cached emails is to run two instances of spambayes, with each
one's web interface running on a different port.  In
/home/ptakala/spambayes run "sb_server.py -u 8880 &", and in
/home/phambu/spambayes run "sb_server.py -u 8881 &".  Then you'll each
have your own spambayes instance - you use http://localhost:8880/ and she
uses http://localhost:8881/

This means you won't be sharing a database (though you could always copy
your existing database into her environment to start with), but your
training requirements are probably different anyway.

If you're really paranoid about your girlfriend seeing your emails 8-) you
can use the web configuration page to set up a password on the web
interface, so that she can't go to http://localhost:8880/ and see your web
interface without knowing your password.  Make sure she doesn't have read
permission to /home/ptakala/spambayes!

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Thu Nov  6 18:36:35 2003
From: delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Thu Nov  6 18:36:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] repeatable condition where SpamBayes misses new
	message
In-Reply-To: <021b01c3a4b4$cebae810$0500a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEKGFKAA.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> Wouldn't another solution simply be to set the background processing to a
> much lower value?  Remember the intention here is to prevent
> conflicts with
> the builtin rules - I have mine set around the defaults of a 1/2 seconds.
> This way it will be processed before the preview-pane marks it as read.

Thanks, Mark.  I originally had the "processing start delay" timer set to 10
seconds because I had a POP3 proxy in place to do external DNSBL lookups.
These lookups could be quite slow.  Now I've decided to go all-or-nothing
with SpamBayes, so I've removed the external proxy and set the "processing
start delay" to 2.0 seconds and the "delay between processing items" to 1.0
seconds.  This works much, much better.  Thanks again.

I'm just curious what the "delay between processing items" timer is meant
for.  Doesn't the "processing start delay", which is retriggerable (sorry,
I'm a hardware guy), prevent SpamBayes from looking for new folder add
events when new messages are arriving?  Also, how does this work when I am
receiving a large message that takes longer than the "processing start
delay" to receive?

Seth Goodman
to reply, change delete to sethg


From richie at entrian.com  Thu Nov  6 18:40:19 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Thu Nov  6 18:40:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982 possible cause
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20031104104920.00b3d360@localhost>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031104104920.00b3d360@localhost>
Message-ID: <v5glqvof5hdbb6ij091f7auibkovo4qch0@4ax.com>


[Stephen]
> I have the error message
> >DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database 
> >recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery')
> 
> I think I can cause this reliably by clicking the train button and while 
> the programming is training, exiting the "web page" in the browser.

When I do this, sb_server hangs up and I have to kill it using Ctrl+Break
or Task Manager (I'm on Windows).  No database corruption should occur as
a result...

...But if this happened and you *didn't* kill it, but instead restarted it
so you had two running, that could maybe cause database corruption.  I
haven't been able to make it happen in my environment, but it's not a bad
theory.  Is it possible that that's what happened, or did you either not
see it hang, or always kill it before starting another?

(I'm in the process of fixing the hanging problem.)

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From cej at intech.com  Thu Nov  6 20:48:39 2003
From: cej at intech.com (Christopher Jastram)
Date: Thu Nov  6 20:49:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes + Cyrus question
Message-ID: <3FAAF9F7.1020500@intech.com>

I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list -- probably isn't.

I've set up mail filtering with cyrus (shot myself in the foot a few 
times -- esp. with master.cf...rgggg).  It's working, and I have an 
X-SpamBayes-Classification header working and functional.  Now, spam is 
cool and great and immediately trashed.  Ham is kept.  Unsure is kept.  
Buuut -- is it possible to have Cyrus run each message through spambayes 
whenever I move a message from one folder to another?  (This is probably 
not a good idea, for performance reasons, but I'd like to try it).  Does 
anyone know of a subsystem in Cyrus that'll do the job?

Thanks,

chris


From cej at intech.com  Thu Nov  6 20:54:24 2003
From: cej at intech.com (Christopher Jastram)
Date: Thu Nov  6 20:54:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Client/Server filtering model?  Anyone have code?
Message-ID: <3FAAFB50.6010301@intech.com>

Currently, I have a script that runs through every user's spool 
directory and;
Everything in "Spam" or "Junk" is read as spam
Things like the main inbox, sent, drafts and trash are discarded
Everything else is read as ham.
This script takes a significant amount of time to run (along the order 
of 30-40 minutes), is run on a nightly basis, and only processes a few 
users (just a couple test users -- once everyone switches from POP to 
IMAP, there'll be hell to pay unless I can figure out a faster way to do 
this.)  The system load also jumped from 0.1 - 0.2 to a steady 1.6 - 1.8 
with the addition of spam filtering (we get a lot of spam).

An idea I had -- would it be possible to have *one* (multithreaded?) 
constantly running python server that reads mail, evaluates it (addes a 
classified or trained header) and passes it back?  The advantage is that 
the database would not be re-read on every invokation.  Another 
advantage might be in the outsourcing of the processing to another 
machine.  Just an idea.  I'll work on something like this myself when I 
get a roundtoit (always short on time), but I'm wondering if anyone has 
prototype code...?  (Is this even a good idea?)

Thanks,

chris

P.S. on the 'lot of spam' note: most of the mail comes to 10 years worth 
of employees who longer work here.  We used to bounce it, but the 
resulting mail queue and processing time took our mail server to its 
knees.  Repeatedly.  Both Exchange and Postfix/Cyrus.  Now there's a 
dead-letter box and a 3-day hold period instead of the default 5, which 
brings it down to manageable (sorta) levels.  Anyone have any additional 
ideas or guides to using Postfix to drop blatantly spammy email?  To 
give you a sense of what I'm looking for, here's an example; I cut 
incoming spam by a good 10 percent, just by dropping all messages coming 
from outside, but claiming to be from within our domain.  Surely there's 
more such rules that I haven't thought of?



From natsysco at cox.net  Thu Nov  6 22:12:54 2003
From: natsysco at cox.net (Nat Talpis)
Date: Thu Nov  6 22:12:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
References: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44D0@mail1.primeline.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c3a4dd$0c953aa0$6501a8c0@natsysievqckcu>

It's arrogant perfect people like you that drive normal people like us from
these proceedings.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew J. Coutermarsh" <AndrewC@primeworld.com>
To: <natsysco@cox.net>; <spambayes@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION


> It never ceases to amaze me that some people just can't seem to follow
> directions.
>
> Andrew J. Coutermarsh
> Prime Resources Corp.
> I.S. Department
> Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
> Fx: (203) 551-3324
> andrewc@primeworld.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+andrewc=primeworld.com@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+andrewc=primeworld.com@python.org] On Behalf Of
> natsysco@cox.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:28 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
>
> STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION, YOU ARE ADDING SPAM TO MY EMAIL...L
> >
> > From: spambayes-request@python.org
> > Date: 2003/10/31 Fri PM 09:28:44 EST
> > To: natsysco@cox.net
> > Subject: confirm a20473f683f3015a12504428b98d81bac3a0340b
> >
> > Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list
> > Spambayes
> >
> > We have received a request from 68.104.61.72 for subscription of your
> > email address, "natsysco@cox.net", to the spambayes@python.org mailing
> > list.  To confirm that you want to be added to this mailing list,
> > simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact.  Or
> > visit this web page:
> >
> >
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/confirm/spambayes/a20473f683f3015a12504428b98
> d81bac3a0340b
> >
> >
> > Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a
> > message to spambayes-request@python.org:
> >
> >     confirm a20473f683f3015a12504428b98d81bac3a0340b
> >
> > Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from
> > most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the
> > right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay).
> >
> > If you do not wish to be subscribed from this list, please simply
> > disregard this message.  If you think you are being maliciously
> > subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them to
> > spambayes-owner@python.org.
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
>


From dave at boost-consulting.com  Thu Nov  6 23:12:08 2003
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Thu Nov  6 23:20:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Should I train on this sort of thing?
Message-ID: <uu15g6cmf.fsf@boost-consulting.com>


I almost never look inside spam, but it seems as though much of what I
get these days is just designed to confuse bayesian spam blockers.
The enclosed is an example.  Should I let SpamBayes train on these or
are they actually ineffective?

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From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 23:50:04 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu Nov  6 23:50:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Should I train on this sort of thing?
In-Reply-To: <uu15g6cmf.fsf@boost-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEJFGPAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[David Abrahams]
> I almost never look inside spam, but it seems as though much of what I
> get these days is just designed to confuse bayesian spam blockers.

Na, the purpose of random dictionary crap is to frustrate fingerprinting
schemes.  If oddball but legit words like "bituminous" and "chalkline" are
actually part of your desired email life, they'll be scored hammy enough
that a random appearance or two in spam isn't going to hurt anything.  OTOH,
if they're not part of your ham, then SpamBayes effectively ignores them (it
ignores words whose spamprobs lie inside (.4, .6) by default).  In short,
this isn't an effective attack against a Bayesian filter.  It's an effective
attack against fingerprinting schemes, though (unless the spammer
misconfigures their ratware and ends up generating the same collection of
dictionary words every time -- look at enough of these, and you'll
eventually find clues like $RANDOM and %RAND%, where they screwed things up
so badly that *no* random cruft gets generated).

> The enclosed is an example.  Should I let SpamBayes train on these or
> are they actually ineffective?

It shouldn't hurt, and might help.  SpamBayes deobfuscates some of the other
tricks in your example, extracting the plain text:

    Free! No Obligation! Quotes available here!

That's spammy stuff in almost anyone's database.  bituminous only scores as
a strong ham word in mine <wink>.

back-to-the-coal-mine-ly y'rs  - tim


From neale at woozle.org  Fri Nov  7 01:25:26 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Fri Nov  7 01:25:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Undergraduate Alumni Questionnaire - Please Help
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031105151347.01c80c30@postoffice7.mail.cornell.edu>
	(Carol Ann Halseth's message of "Wed, 05 Nov 2003 15:14:33 -0500")
References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031105151347.01c80c30@postoffice7.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <w53llqsg0fd.fsf@woozle.org>

Then, "Kenny Pitt" <kennypitt@hotmail.com> writes:

> OK, this is either a blatant case of mistaken identity, or the
> strangest spam I've ever seen. :-)

It looks like identity theft to me.  This sort of thing will probably
make spam filtering a whole lot more relevant to a lot of people.

Scary.


Carol Ann Halseth <cah11@cornell.edu> writes:

> LAST:
> FIRST:
> SSN:
> MAILING ADDRESS:
> PHONE:
> PERMANENT (Parent's) ADDRESS:
> PERM. PHONE:
> Position:
> Employer:
> Address:

From neale at woozle.org  Fri Nov  7 01:28:50 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Fri Nov  7 01:28:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / No module
	named zlib ?
In-Reply-To: <200311062319.10448.olli.marttila@kolumbus.fi> (Olli J.
	Marttila's message of "Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:19:10 +0200")
References: <200311062319.10448.olli.marttila@kolumbus.fi>
Message-ID: <w53he1gg09p.fsf@woozle.org>

"Olli J. Marttila" <olli.marttila@kolumbus.fi> writes:

> Yet I have both zlib-1.1.4-105 and zlib-devel-1.1.4-105 
> installed from SuSE home site. 
>
> So Iam still at a loss what to do. Can anyone help me?

Olli,

It sounds like SuSE bundles the python zlib module in a different
package.  It won't be called zlib or zlib-devel, but it might be called
something like python-zlib or zlib-python.  You need to install that
package to get the error message to go away.

Your other option, like I'm starting to think we should tell all users
of RPM-based systems, you can install Python 2.3 from source.  Download
the source code, untar it, and run

  ./configure; make install

That will get everything you need installed.

Neale

From tpeters at mixcom.com  Fri Nov  7 01:36:04 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Fri Nov  7 01:36:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a6 and Norton antivirus
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031107002648.02682cc8@localhost>

I had oddness with 1.0a5 and a6 and Norton antivirus under win2000 and XP. 
Once I got it configured, Norton would process each and every message 
twice. Once it dawned on me that it had hooked into ports 25 and 110 on its 
own, was processing each message, then passing them on to "real" ports 25 
and 110, I changed ports.

I had Eudora Pro talk to ports 3025 and 3110 (chosen arbitrarily) and set 
SpamBayes to proxy them to/from 25 and 110.

Behaves very nicely now. Eudora can be told from command line which ini 
file to look at for settings, so I can start it proxied or direct, 
depending which icon I pick. Since I got it working with 1.0a5, I've never 
used to non-proxied icon again.

Any problems with this approach?


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From JohnH at snetworking.com  Fri Nov  7 01:42:20 2003
From: JohnH at snetworking.com (John Hall)
Date: Fri Nov  7 01:43:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is there code to intercept email to run on Windows?
Message-ID: <223286A46C32EE42BF7C2E4177EAD42605C78A@sylvester2.snetworking.com>

I presume that most folks are not using Windows platforms for the
Bayesian Filtering.  However, I am in the situation where I am.
 
Is there an SMTP proxy  or something like one (commercial is OK and
probably preferred) that I could use to intercept the incoming email
before it gets to our Exchange Server to allow me to experiment with
some Bayesian filtering without having to write some code to listen to
ports and send to ports (for which I have no clue).
 
Any recommendations would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
John
From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Fri Nov  7 02:01:43 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Fri Nov  7 02:02:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is there code to intercept email to run on Windows?
References: <223286A46C32EE42BF7C2E4177EAD42605C78A@sylvester2.snetworking.com>
Message-ID: <3FAB4356.316C9700@whidbey.com>

John,

Lots of us use Windows. I run two SpamBayes POP3 proxy on two different
Windows 2000 workstations, one handles four accounts, the other three. The
most common configuration for SpamBayes is the Outlook plugin, which only
runs on Windows but is only useful for those running Outlook (not Outlook
Express) in recent versions.

You will have to install Python on your computer for this to work, I
believe there are pointers to this on the spambayes.sourceforge.net site.
I happened to use the Python from Active State, which works fine here.

Van

John Hall wrote:

> I presume that most folks are not using Windows platforms for the
> Bayesian Filtering.  However, I am in the situation where I am.
>
> Is there an SMTP proxy  or something like one (commercial is OK and
> probably preferred) that I could use to intercept the incoming email
> before it gets to our Exchange Server to allow me to experiment with
> some Bayesian filtering without having to write some code to listen to
> ports and send to ports (for which I have no clue).
>
> Any recommendations would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

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From tpeters at mixcom.com  Fri Nov  7 02:02:08 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Fri Nov  7 02:02:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Saving hammie.db when upgrading?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031107005438.00b8c1b0@localhost>

Nothing I've seen in the FAQ so far seems to address the question (else I'm 
just not seeing it): Was hammie.db preserved when I upgraded to 1.0a6?

I have 1.0a7 downloaded and want to install it in the next day or so. Can I 
preserve the training I've done so far? How?

Does running setup.py install find and copy/convert the db file?


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From sabuck at comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 08:42:36 2003
From: sabuck at comcast.net (Sherry Buckowing)
Date: Fri Nov  7 08:42:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
Message-ID: <000001c3a535$011fb210$6801a8c0@sherry>

Hi,

 

Ok, I did something stupid and deleted the spam folder out of my deleted
items. Now that I realize my error I can't seem to correct it. I have
uninstalled and reinstalled the program etc. but now I keep getting a
message that says I need to configure my spam folder. Can you tell me how to
fix this?

 

SB

sabuck@comcast.net

 

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 09:10:45 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Nov  7 09:11:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
In-Reply-To: <006b01c3a4dd$0c953aa0$6501a8c0@natsysievqckcu>
Message-ID: <E1AI7KM-0005Gw-UQ@mail.python.org>

Nat Talpis wrote:
> It's arrogant perfect people like you that drive normal people like
> us from these proceedings.

Let's not turn this into a flame war, folks.  This is typically a very
civil group.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew J. Coutermarsh" <AndrewC@primeworld.com>
> To: <natsysco@cox.net>; <spambayes@python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:26 AM
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
> 
> 
>> It never ceases to amaze me that some people just can't seem to
>> follow directions. 

OK, maybe that could have been said a little more tactfully (<wink>),
but the point is that all the information you need to stop your
subscription is included right there in the message you replied to.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: spambayes-bounces+andrewc=primeworld.com@python.org
>> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+andrewc=primeworld.com@python.org] On
>> Behalf Of natsysco@cox.net Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:28
>> AM 
>> To: spambayes@python.org
>> Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
>> 
>> STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION, YOU ARE ADDING SPAM TO MY EMAIL...L
>>> 
>>> From: spambayes-request@python.org
>>> Date: 2003/10/31 Fri PM 09:28:44 EST
>>> To: natsysco@cox.net
>>> Subject: confirm a20473f683f3015a12504428b98d81bac3a0340b
>>> 
>>> Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list
>>> Spambayes 
>>> 
>>> We have received a request from 68.104.61.72 for subscription of
>>> your email address, "natsysco@cox.net", to the spambayes@python.org
>>> mailing list.  To confirm that you want to be added to this mailing
>>> list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header
>>> intact.  Or visit this web page: 
>>> 
[snip]
>>> 
>>> If you do not wish to be subscribed from this list, please simply
>>> disregard this message.  If you think you are being maliciously
>>> subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them to
>>> spambayes-owner@python.org. 

I have been participating on this list for several months now and have
rarely if ever seen a spam message sent to it.  As this is a
subscription-based mailing list, the only way to receive mail from it is
if you have been subscribed, either by your own choice or by someone
subscribing you without your permission.  This confirmation e-mail is
intended to prevent such malicious subscriptions by requiring the person
at the destination e-mail address to confirm that they did in fact want
the subscription.

If someone else subscribed you, or if you subscribed yourself and then
changed your mind, you can simply ignore the confirmation message as
stated in the last paragraph and you will not receive any further
messages.  If you are certain that someone else subscribed you without
your permission, then you can report that to the list owner at the
specified e-mail address rather than to the entire list.  If you have
already confirmed your subscription, then a link is included at the
bottom of every message received from the list that will allow you to
unsubscribe yourself.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 09:26:04 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Nov  7 09:26:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] help
In-Reply-To: <000001c3a535$011fb210$6801a8c0@sherry>
Message-ID: <E1AI7Z9-0007uF-MD@mail.python.org>

Sherry Buckowing wrote:
> Ok, I did something stupid and deleted the spam folder out of my
> deleted items. Now that I realize my error I can't seem to correct
> it. I have uninstalled and reinstalled the program etc. but now I
> keep getting a message that says I need to configure my spam folder.
> Can you tell me how to fix this?

Sure.  SpamBayes locates your spam folder using a unique identifier
assigned by Outlook.  When you recreate your spam folder, it is given a
different identifier even if you give it the same name, so SpamBayes
can't find it.  Note that uninstalling and reinstalling SpamBayes does
not remove your configuration files, so that's why it is still looking
for your old folder.

After you recreate the folder, just open SpamBayes Manager from the
SpamBayes dropdown on your toolbar.  Go to the Filtering tab and look in
the Certain Spam section.  You'll probably see something like "Moved to
folder <unknown folder>".  Just click the Browse button next to this and
select your new spam folder from the list.  Now just close the SpamBayes
Manager and you should be all set.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 09:40:15 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Nov  7 09:40:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Undergraduate Alumni Questionnaire - Please Help
In-Reply-To: <w53llqsg0fd.fsf@woozle.org>
Message-ID: <E1AI7mq-0003pj-U8@mail.python.org>

Neale Pickett wrote:
> Then, "Kenny Pitt" <kennypitt@hotmail.com> writes:
> 
>> OK, this is either a blatant case of mistaken identity, or the
>> strangest spam I've ever seen. :-)
> 
> It looks like identity theft to me.  This sort of thing will probably
> make spam filtering a whole lot more relevant to a lot of people.
> 
> Scary.
> 
> 
> Carol Ann Halseth <cah11@cornell.edu> writes:
> 
>> LAST:
>> FIRST:
>> SSN:
>> MAILING ADDRESS:
>> PHONE:
>> PERMANENT (Parent's) ADDRESS:
>> PERM. PHONE:
>> Position:
>> Employer:
>> Address:

Actually, in this instance it did turn out to be a legitimate case of
mistaken identity.  I got a personal message from her explaining that
she had done a Google search for a former student in her department, and
this list was the only e-mail address that popped up.  You can go to the
Cornell University website at www.cornell.edu and do a people search for
Carol Ann Halseth, and she is a legitimate member of the faculty.  

However, this is exactly the sort of thing that not-so-legitimate people
will take advantage of for identity theft or other scams.  IMHO, not the
kind of transaction that should be conducted via e-mail, and I would
definitely want to confirm who I was sending to and why before I replied
with all that sensitive info.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 09:46:47 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Nov  7 09:47:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Client/Server filtering model?  Anyone have code?
In-Reply-To: <3FAAFB50.6010301@intech.com>
Message-ID: <E1AI7tE-0005Qd-BX@mail.python.org>

Christopher Jastram wrote:
> Currently, I have a script that runs through every user's spool
> directory and;
> Everything in "Spam" or "Junk" is read as spam
> Things like the main inbox, sent, drafts and trash are discarded
> Everything else is read as ham.
> 
> An idea I had -- would it be possible to have *one* (multithreaded?)
> constantly running python server that reads mail, evaluates it (addes
> a classified or trained header) and passes it back?  The advantage is
> that the database would not be re-read on every invokation.  Another
> advantage might be in the outsourcing of the processing to another
> machine.

I don't use it myself so can't give you any details, but you might look
into the sb_xmlrpcserver script.  IIRC, this is just the sort of
situation it is intended for.  It listens on a particular TCP port and
acts as a Web service that receives a message and classifies it.  It
should be possible to run it either locally or on a separate machine.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From cdellario at whatif-productions.com  Fri Nov  7 09:50:58 2003
From: cdellario at whatif-productions.com (Chris Dellario)
Date: Fri Nov  7 09:50:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
Message-ID: <113EE4C6211B1D41A34E54A089F4795C0AFCA8@mailbox.whatif-productions.com>

Gee, I never realized that you had to be both arrogant and perfect to
follow simple directions.

------------------------------------------------------------
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Lead Engineer
Whatif Productions LLC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nat Talpis [mailto:natsysco@cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:13 PM
To: Andrew J. Coutermarsh; spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION

It's arrogant perfect people like you that drive normal people like us
from
these proceedings.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew J. Coutermarsh" <AndrewC@primeworld.com>
To: <natsysco@cox.net>; <spambayes@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION


> It never ceases to amaze me that some people just can't seem to follow
> directions.
>
> Andrew J. Coutermarsh
> Prime Resources Corp.
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Of
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> STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION, YOU ARE ADDING SPAM TO MY EMAIL...L
> >
> > From: spambayes-request@python.org
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From AndrewC at primeworld.com  Fri Nov  7 10:04:14 2003
From: AndrewC at primeworld.com (Andrew J. Coutermarsh)
Date: Fri Nov  7 10:08:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
Message-ID: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44D6@mail1.primeline.com>

Nat Talpis:
> It's arrogant perfect people like you that drive normal people
> like us from these proceedings.

And see, I don't think it's too arrogant or unreasonable to expect people to
be able to read directions.  If you're unwilling to read the directions on
how to install your television, don't sue the TV manufacturer for the hernia
you got while trying to lift it out of its box.

Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Prime Resources Corp.
I.S. Department
Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
Fx: (203) 551-3324
andrewc@primeworld.com
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nat Talpis [mailto:natsysco@cox.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:13 PM
> To: Andrew J. Coutermarsh; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
>
> It's arrogant perfect people like you that drive normal people like us
> from these proceedings.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew J. Coutermarsh" <AndrewC@primeworld.com>
> To: <natsysco@cox.net>; <spambayes@python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:26 AM
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
>
>
> It never ceases to amaze me that some people just can't seem to follow
> directions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+andrewc=primeworld.com@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+andrewc=primeworld.com@python.org] On Behalf 
> Of
> natsysco@cox.net
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:28 AM
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> Subject: [Spambayes] STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION
>
> STOP MY SUBSCRIPTION, YOU ARE ADDING SPAM TO MY EMAIL...L

From bob at jellyvision.com  Fri Nov  7 11:39:45 2003
From: bob at jellyvision.com (Bob Chojnacki)
Date: Fri Nov  7 11:35:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Envelope Tray Icon
Message-ID: <IEEDKAHMEBPPLILCLFKFCEECCJAA.bob@jellyvision.com>

Hi,

I really like SpamBayes and the Outlook plugin.  It is working much better
than other spam filters, considering I get 85-95% spam. I am currently using
version 008.1.  I read your FAQ about the problems with making the Outlook
envelope tray icon go away.  (I am also not sure if this is the right email
address to send this comment, so please bear with me if it isn't.)

Is the following link helpful? (Keep in mind that I am not a Windows
programmer):

	http://www.slipstick.com/dev/code/clearenvicon.htm

Thanks,

Bob

P.S.: http://www.techhit.com/autoread/ may also be of use.

------- Page text attached ------

To clear the Outlook envelope icon from the Windows system tray

A common issue for people who subscribe to many mailing lists or use Net
Folders to share data is controlling when Outlook puts an envelope in the
system tray in the right side of the Windows task bar. Typically, they want
to see the envelope icon only when they have new mail in the Inbox that is
not from one of those lists and not part of a Net Folders transmission.

Since the envelope goes away after a user opens the latest items, you might
think that setting the Unread property on those lower priority items to
False would be enough to do the job. However, it doesn't suffice. Even if
you use code or a Rules Wizard rule to mark items as Read, the envelope icon
persists.

The icon placed in the system tray is governed by hidden window that
developers don't have direct access to via the Outlook Object Model or
Collaboration Data Objects. Therefore, you need to go outside Outlook for a
solution. Outlook MVP Neo  has come up with an Outlook 2000/2002 VBA method
that uses Windows API calls to remove the icon from the system tray. You can
copy and paste the code below to your project or download the clear_icon.txt
file.

One application of the RemoveNewMailIcon subroutine might be to run some
code when the Application.NewMail event fires to see if any "interesting"
new items have actually come in -- "interesting" here meaning items for
which you want to see the envelope in the system tray. If not, call the
RemoveNewMailIcon subroutine to clear the icon:

Private Sub Application_NewMail()

  ' add some code to check whether the latest items are "interesting"

  ' if not interesting, clear the envelope icon

  Call RemoveNewMailIcon

End Sub

It turns out that integrating Neo's code into Outlook events isn't as
straightforward as you might like. A discussion in the
microsoft.public.outlook.program_vba newsgroup uncovered some apparent
timing issues.

 Code | More Information

Code ' Code sample by Outlook MVP "Neo"

' Removes the New Mail icon from the Windows system tray,

' and resets Outlook's new mail notification engine.

' Tested against Outlook 2000 (IMO) and Outlook 2002 (POP Account)



' Send questions and comments to neo@mvps.org



' WARNING: Due to the use of AddressOf, code must

' go into a module and not ThisOutlookSession or

' a class module



' Entry Point is RemoveNewMailIcon.



Option Explicit



Public Const WUM_RESETNOTIFICATION As Long = &H407



'Required Public constants, types & declares

'for the Shell_Notify API method

Public Const NIM_ADD As Long = &H0

Public Const NIM_MODIFY As Long = &H1

Public Const NIM_DELETE As Long = &H2



Public Const NIF_ICON As Long = &H2 'adding an ICON

Public Const NIF_TIP As Long = &H4 'adding a TIP

Public Const NIF_MESSAGE As Long = &H1 'want return messages



' Structure needed for Shell_Notify API

Type NOTIFYICONDATA

  cbSize As Long

  hwnd As Long

  uID As Long

  uFlags As Long

  uCallbackMessage As Long

  hIcon As Long

  szTip As String * 64

End Type



Declare Function SendMessage Lib "user32" Alias "SendMessageA" _

  (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal wMsg As Long, _

  ByVal wParam As Integer, ByVal lParam As Any) As Long



Declare Function GetClassName Lib "user32" _

  Alias "GetClassNameA" _

  (ByVal hwnd As Long, _

  ByVal lpClassName As String, _

  ByVal nMaxCount As Long) As Long



Declare Function GetWindowTextLength Lib "user32" _

  Alias "GetWindowTextLengthA" _

  (ByVal hwnd As Long) As Long



Declare Function GetWindowText Lib "user32" _

  Alias "GetWindowTextA" _

  (ByVal hwnd As Long, _

  ByVal lpString As String, _

  ByVal cch As Long) As Long



Declare Function EnumWindows Lib "user32" _

  (ByVal lpEnumFunc As Long, _

  ByVal lParam As Long) As Long



Declare Function Shell_NotifyIcon Lib "shell32.dll" _

  Alias "Shell_NotifyIconA" _

  (ByVal dwMessage As Long, _

  lpData As NOTIFYICONDATA) As Long



Declare Function FindWindow Lib "user32" Alias "FindWindowA" _

  (ByVal lpClassName As String, _

  ByVal lpWindowName As String) As Long



' This is the entry point that makes it happen

Sub RemoveNewMailIcon()

  EnumWindows AddressOf EnumWindowProc, 0

End Sub



Public Function EnumWindowProc(ByVal hwnd As Long, _

  ByVal lParam As Long) As Long



  'Do stuff here with hwnd

  Dim sClass As String

  Dim sIDType As String

  Dim sTitle As String

  Dim hResult As Long



  sTitle = GetWindowIdentification(hwnd, sIDType, sClass)

  If sTitle = "rctrl_renwnd32" Then

    hResult = KillNewMailIcon(hwnd)

  End If



  If hResult Then

    EnumWindowProc = False

    ' Reset the new mail notification engine

    Call SendMessage(hwnd, WUM_RESETNOTIFICATION, 0&, 0&)

  Else

    EnumWindowProc = True

  End If

End Function



Private Function GetWindowIdentification(ByVal hwnd As Long, _

  sIDType As String, _

  sClass As String) As String



  Dim nSize As Long

  Dim sTitle As String



  'get the size of the string required

  'to hold the window title

  nSize = GetWindowTextLength(hwnd)

  'if the return is 0, there is no title

  If nSize > 0 Then

    sTitle = Space$(nSize + 1)

    Call GetWindowText(hwnd, sTitle, nSize + 1)

    sIDType = "title"

    sClass = Space$(64)

    Call GetClassName(hwnd, sClass, 64)

  Else

    'no title, so get the class name instead

    sTitle = Space$(64)

    Call GetClassName(hwnd, sTitle, 64)

    sClass = sTitle

    sIDType = "class"

  End If



  GetWindowIdentification = TrimNull(sTitle)

End Function



Private Function TrimNull(startstr As String) As String

  Dim pos As Integer

  pos = InStr(startstr, Chr$(0))

  If pos Then

    TrimNull = Left(startstr, pos - 1)

    Exit Function

  End If



  'if this far, there was

  'no Chr$(0), so return the string

  TrimNull = startstr

End Function



Private Function KillNewMailIcon(ByVal hwnd As Long) As Boolean

  Dim pShell_Notify As NOTIFYICONDATA

  Dim hResult As Long



  'setup the Shell_Notify structure

  pShell_Notify.cbSize = Len(pShell_Notify)

  pShell_Notify.hwnd = hwnd

  pShell_Notify.uID = 0



  ' Remove it from the system tray and catch result

  hResult = Shell_NotifyIcon(NIM_DELETE, pShell_Notify)

  If (hResult) Then

    KillNewMailIcon = True

  Else

    KillNewMailIcon = False

  End If

End Function


More Information AutoRead for Outlook -- Custom action for Rules Wizard to
mark messages that meet certain criteria as read and suppress the new mail
indicator in the system tray.


From parz at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  7 12:38:21 2003
From: parz at shaw.ca (Parzival)
Date: Fri Nov  7 12:41:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How does Spambayes deal with those "random" words in
	spam?
Message-ID: <200311071138.21673.parz@shaw.ca>

Lots of spam contains "random" words in the subject and visible or hidden in 
the message body. Since each spam contains different random strings, these 
words are very likely not to re-appear in subsequent spam. Does this reduce 
the effectiveness of the classification?

A human seeing such a message with garbage words would immediatly recognize it 
as spam. Could the classfier be extended to assign higher spam ratings to 
messages containing a large amount of "words which have never been seen"?
Possibly a user could pre-seed the classifier with a dictionary of words in 
his/her language and/or jargon.


-- Parzival

From rmalayter at bai.org  Fri Nov  7 12:49:26 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Fri Nov  7 12:49:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is there code to intercept email to run on Windows?
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3761@cliff.bai.org>

http://assp.sourceforge.net is a decent open-source Bayesian SMTP
filter. It requires Perl to be installed, and it needs to sit in front
of your SMTP gateway, which makes testing on live mail a bit hard unless
you can send a copy of your incoming mail to it. Setup isn't exactly
easy, but most IT types can probably manage.

http://Spamassassin.org also has rules-based, blacklist, and even
bayesian filtering available at the SMTP level, but it is much harder to
install and use, especially on Windows machines.

Someone also once pointed out an SMTP plug-in that was available for
http://popfile.sourceforge.net, but I haven't been able to find a recent
version of that.

I'm playing with assp in a test environment right now, and I like what I
see so far.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of John Hall
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:42 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Is there code to intercept email to run 
> on Windows?
> 
> I presume that most folks are not using Windows platforms for the
> Bayesian Filtering.  However, I am in the situation where I am.
>  
> Is there an SMTP proxy  or something like one (commercial is OK and
> probably preferred) that I could use to intercept the incoming email
> before it gets to our Exchange Server to allow me to experiment with
> some Bayesian filtering without having to write some code to listen to
> ports and send to ports (for which I have no clue).
>  
> Any recommendations would be appreciated.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> John
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From mikei at gwnsoftware.com  Fri Nov  7 13:02:22 2003
From: mikei at gwnsoftware.com (Mike Iles)
Date: Fri Nov  7 13:02:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Incremental Training
Message-ID: <49E95F5EE462824597FA4D82F220F5AD013E35@cinder.toronto.kinitos.com>

I've been running SpamBayes for a few weeks now and find it to be
extremely accurate, even with a relatively low training volume (500
good, 80 spam). Thanks for putting out such a great tool!

 

My question is about the incremental training: it appears to me that
when SpamBayes classifies a message as spam it doesn't also train
against it. I would think that this would be a very nice attribute: if
the spam I was receiving was evolving in a given direction SpamBayes
would then track it without my intervention.

 

I realize that I can continue to train by occasionally unchecking the
'rebuild database' box and clicking the 'train' button again. Happily,
this seems to recognize the duplicates and doesn't train twice against
them.

 

In any case, am I missing a configuration option to enable this? If not,
is the method I've described above the recommended way to continue to
train against the spam I'm receiving?

 

Many thanks,

Mike.

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  7 13:13:34 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Nov  7 13:13:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Envelope Tray Icon
In-Reply-To: <IEEDKAHMEBPPLILCLFKFCEECCJAA.bob@jellyvision.com>
Message-ID: <E1AIB7K-0001Ie-C3@mail.python.org>

Bob Chojnacki wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I really like SpamBayes and the Outlook plugin.  It is working much
> better than other spam filters, considering I get 85-95% spam. I am
> currently using version 008.1.  I read your FAQ about the problems
> with making the Outlook envelope tray icon go away.  (I am also not
> sure if this is the right email address to send this comment, so
> please bear with me if it isn't.) 
> 
> Is the following link helpful? (Keep in mind that I am not a Windows
> programmer):
> 
> 	http://www.slipstick.com/dev/code/clearenvicon.htm

Thanks for the link.  I created the following code to implement this in
the Outlook plugin and attached it to a menu item for testing.  It was,
in fact, successful in removing the new mail envelope from the taskbar.
Now, the *really* tricky part is figuring out when to remove the icon.

====================

def RemoveNewMailIcon():
    win32gui.EnumWindows(_removeIconCallback, None)
    
def _removeIconCallback(hwnd, extra):
    # Check for Outlook window class.
    if win32gui.GetClassName(hwnd) == "rctrl_renwnd32":
        # Got the correct class, but we need to make sure window title
is
        # empty because there may be other top-level Outlook windows.
        if win32gui.GetWindowText(hwnd) == "":
            return not _killNewMailIcon(hwnd)
        else:
            return True
    else:
        return True
        
WUM_RESETNOTIFICATION = win32con.WM_USER + 7
def _killNewMailIcon(hwnd):
    nid = (hwnd, 0)
    if not win32gui.Shell_NotifyIcon(win32gui.NIM_DELETE, nid):
        return False
    else:
        win32gui.SendMessage(hwnd, WUM_RESETNOTIFICATION, 0, 0)
        return True

====================

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Fri Nov  7 13:15:00 2003
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Fri Nov  7 13:15:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How does Spambayes deal with those "random" words 
	inspam?
References: <200311071138.21673.parz@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3FABE124.9F70F8A7@whidbey.com>

This was tested in the early days, and the conclusion was to ignore them. Words
that appear only once in the corpus are known as "hapax legemona" (if that's not
correct it is close) and casually referred to be the testers as "hapaxes". They
have no effect at all, because a hapax will have a score of .5, and the default is
to ignore anything between .4 and .6. The non-random words the spam includes will
have scores that are meaningful.

Leaving the hapaxes in the database doubtless increases the size, but there's
nothing that can be done about that easily. I could speculate that a mechanism to
delete hapaxes that have been in the database for some length of time would cure
this, but that would mean timestamping every entry in the database. You can't just
delete all hapaxes immediately because that would prevent any additional words
entering the database at all.

Van

Parzival wrote:

> Lots of spam contains "random" words in the subject and visible or hidden in
> the message body. Since each spam contains different random strings, these
> words are very likely not to re-appear in subsequent spam. Does this reduce
> the effectiveness of the classification?
>
> A human seeing such a message with garbage words would immediatly recognize it
> as spam. Could the classfier be extended to assign higher spam ratings to
> messages containing a large amount of "words which have never been seen"?
> Possibly a user could pre-seed the classifier with a dictionary of words in
> his/her language and/or jargon.
>
> -- Parzival
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

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From wsy at merl.com  Fri Nov  7 13:31:12 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Fri Nov  7 13:31:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How does Spambayes deal with those "random" words 
	inspam?
In-Reply-To: <3FABE124.9F70F8A7@whidbey.com> (vanhorn@whidbey.com)
References: <200311071138.21673.parz@shaw.ca> <3FABE124.9F70F8A7@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <200311071831.hA7IVCX02341@localhost.localdomain>


   From: "G. Armour Van Horn" <vanhorn@whidbey.com>

   This was tested in the early days, and the conclusion was to ignore
   them. Words that appear only once in the corpus are known as "hapax
   legemona" (if that's not correct it is close) and casually referred
   to be the testers as "hapaxes". They have no effect at all, because
   a hapax will have a score of .5, and the default is to ignore
   anything between .4 and .6. The non-random words the spam includes
   will have scores that are meaningful.

Good memory there!

(thanks to Google and Bartleby.com:)

 Hapax Legomenon - from the greek hapax, once + legomenon, neuter
   sing. passive participle of legein, to count.

   NOUN: A word or form that occurs only once in the recorded corpus of a
   given language.

Another approach is to give hapaxes very low weight, but ignore 
nothing, not even hapaxes.

For example, the current incarnation of CRM114 would give a single-word
hapax a probabalistic weight of .5 +- .03125 (that's what it works out
to be).  

Note that this isn't quite _ignored_, but it's very close.

----------------

Now, there's another possibility- "fnord-counting".  This is taking
the incoming text and running it through the equivalent of a spellchecker;
any word (that is, [a-zA-Z]+ ) that isn't recognized is changed to "fnord".

 - Texts you can easily read have near-zero fnords.

 - Texts with a lot of anti-filter noise and random words have high fnord 
counts.

 - Texts in another language are almost all fnords.

It might be useful.  ;) The code for fnord-counting is latent in
CRM114 mailfilter but not turned on.

     -Bill Yerazunis


From bob at jellyvision.com  Fri Nov  7 13:40:33 2003
From: bob at jellyvision.com (Bob Chojnacki)
Date: Fri Nov  7 13:37:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Envelope Tray Icon
In-Reply-To: <20031107121504.7ea42d3ec3ef466293ceca3f8ae215f9.in@ansel.jellyvision.com>
Message-ID: <IEEDKAHMEBPPLILCLFKFMEEECJAA.bob@jellyvision.com>

> Now, the *really* tricky part is figuring out when to remove the icon.

I noticed right after I sent my email (blush) the comment in their code

  ' add some code to check whether the latest items are "interesting"

The comment is akin to the old Steve Martin comedy routine:

	"How to become a millionaire.  First, get a million dollars..."

Sorry about that.

Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenny Pitt [mailto:kennypitt@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:14 PM
> To: 'Bob Chojnacki'; spambayes@python.org
> Cc: spambayes-dev@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Envelope Tray Icon
> 
> 
> Bob Chojnacki wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I really like SpamBayes and the Outlook plugin.  It is working much
> > better than other spam filters, considering I get 85-95% spam. I am
> > currently using version 008.1.  I read your FAQ about the problems
> > with making the Outlook envelope tray icon go away.  (I am also not
> > sure if this is the right email address to send this comment, so
> > please bear with me if it isn't.) 
> > 
> > Is the following link helpful? (Keep in mind that I am not a Windows
> > programmer):
> > 
> > 	http://www.slipstick.com/dev/code/clearenvicon.htm
> 
> Thanks for the link.  I created the following code to implement this in
> the Outlook plugin and attached it to a menu item for testing.  It was,
> in fact, successful in removing the new mail envelope from the taskbar.
> Now, the *really* tricky part is figuring out when to remove the icon.
> 
> ====================
> 
> def RemoveNewMailIcon():
>     win32gui.EnumWindows(_removeIconCallback, None)
>     
> def _removeIconCallback(hwnd, extra):
>     # Check for Outlook window class.
>     if win32gui.GetClassName(hwnd) == "rctrl_renwnd32":
>         # Got the correct class, but we need to make sure window title
> is
>         # empty because there may be other top-level Outlook windows.
>         if win32gui.GetWindowText(hwnd) == "":
>             return not _killNewMailIcon(hwnd)
>         else:
>             return True
>     else:
>         return True
>         
> WUM_RESETNOTIFICATION = win32con.WM_USER + 7
> def _killNewMailIcon(hwnd):
>     nid = (hwnd, 0)
>     if not win32gui.Shell_NotifyIcon(win32gui.NIM_DELETE, nid):
>         return False
>     else:
>         win32gui.SendMessage(hwnd, WUM_RESETNOTIFICATION, 0, 0)
>         return True
> 
> ====================
> 
> -- 
> Kenny Pitt

From rmalayter at bai.org  Fri Nov  7 13:47:54 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Fri Nov  7 13:47:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Envelope Tray Icon
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3765@cliff.bai.org>

 
> From: Bob Chojnacki
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook Envelope Tray Icon
> 
> I noticed right after I sent my email (blush) the comment in 
> their code
> 
>   ' add some code to check whether the latest items are "interesting"
> 
> The comment is akin to the old Steve Martin comedy routine:
> 
> 	"How to become a millionaire.  First, get a million dollars..."
> 
> Sorry about that.

Is it really that hard? 

Maybe I'm not thinking it through enough, but I suggest this simple
approach: 
	Check for unread messages in the SpamBayes "watched" folders. 
	Check the spam score on each of those unread messages.
	If any exist where the Spam score is below the certain ham
threshold, show the icon
	if not, everything new was spam, and you can remove the icon.

This might take a second or two two but it can happen right after every
SpamBayes scoring run gets triggered. So we'll see the new mail icon for
at most a few seconds.

Regards,
	Ryan


From russ_foster at comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 12:46:30 2003
From: russ_foster at comcast.net (Russ Foster)
Date: Fri Nov  7 13:52:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How does Spambayes deal with those "random" words 
	inspam?
In-Reply-To: <200311071831.hA7IVCX02341@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311071140590.19841-100000@orion.comcast.net>


So, for example, this text would have a very high fnord count:

Acocdrnig to an elgnsih unviesitry sutdy the oredr of letetrs in a wrod
dosen't mttaer, the olny thnig thta's iopmrantt is that the frsit and lsat
ltteer of eevry word is in the crcreot ptoision. The rset can be jmbueld
and one is stlil able to raed the txet wiohtut dclftfuiiy.

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Bill Yerazunis wrote:
> 
> Now, there's another possibility- "fnord-counting".  This is taking
> the incoming text and running it through the equivalent of a spellchecker;
> any word (that is, [a-zA-Z]+ ) that isn't recognized is changed to "fnord".


From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Fri Nov  7 14:07:48 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Fri Nov  7 14:08:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Envelope Tray Icon
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3765@cliff.bai.org>
References: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3765@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <3FABED84.5050607@rbwconsulting.com>

What about mail delivered to unwatched folders? What about mail 
delivered to watched and unwatched folders in the same batch? Why do 
people feel they need to drop everything and read an email when it comes in?

Ryan Malayter wrote:

>
>Is it really that hard? 
>
>Maybe I'm not thinking it through enough, but I suggest this simple
>approach: 
>	Check for unread messages in the SpamBayes "watched" folders. 
>	Check the spam score on each of those unread messages.
>	If any exist where the Spam score is below the certain ham
>threshold, show the icon
>	if not, everything new was spam, and you can remove the icon.
>
>This might take a second or two two but it can happen right after every
>SpamBayes scoring run gets triggered. So we'll see the new mail icon for
>at most a few seconds.
>
>Regards,
>	Ryan
>
>  
>



From smeza at wchra.com  Fri Nov  7 13:06:11 2003
From: smeza at wchra.com (Sandy Meza)
Date: Fri Nov  7 14:10:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] HELP
Message-ID: <NFBBJOLFGLCJJOCKDHEJGEDJFCAA.smeza@wchra.com>

Yesterday I downloaded Spam Bayes Outlook Plugin 2.3+ Binary and this
morning I cannot open Outlook 2000.  I am running Windows XP Professional.
When I tried to install yesterday from the exe file I got the error message
cannot register the dll files.  I have done a system restore, deleted
outlook and reinstalled and I still cannot open outlook.  What should I do?


From parz at shaw.ca  Fri Nov  7 14:15:30 2003
From: parz at shaw.ca (Parzival)
Date: Fri Nov  7 14:18:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How does Spambayes deal with those "random" words
	inspam?
In-Reply-To: <3FABE124.9F70F8A7@whidbey.com>
References: <200311071138.21673.parz@shaw.ca> <3FABE124.9F70F8A7@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <200311071315.30607.parz@shaw.ca>

On November 7, 2003 12:15, you wrote:
> This was tested in the early days, and the conclusion was to ignore them.
> Words that appear only once in the corpus are known as "hapax legemona" (if
> that's not correct it is close) and casually referred to be the testers as
> "hapaxes". They have no effect at all, because a hapax will have a score of
> .5, and the default is to ignore anything between .4 and .6. The non-random
> words the spam includes will have scores that are meaningful.

Yes, I didn't expect that one could draw any conclusions from words seen only 
once, but I was suggesting that the /number/ of hapaxes (hoo boy! I lernt a 
knew werd taday!) in a message might be significant: In other words if the 
current body of ham contains, say 10% hapaxes, the body of spam contains 18% 
hapaxes, and an unclassified message contains say, 21%, then might this not 
be a case for weighting the message toward spam?

Also, "hapax" is defined as a word not in the current corpus, but the words I 
would suggest considering are words which are "not words", and in the 
computer realization, this would be w.r.t. the body of ham, /and/ some 
dictionary that the user supplies (e.g. /usr/dict/words).  

I would hypothesize that in the Subject of messages, this kind of 
discrimination would be more pronounced, as body text often has lots of 
computer-generated cruft, while humans tend to actually write Subject text, 
and even a few garbage words in a subject increase the proportion of new 
words in the subject drastically.

So in effect, I am suggesting that Spambayes would say, hmm, I have here a 
message with 10% words I have never seen in ham, nor in my dictionary, and 
the usual ham message contains 5% such words, while the usual spam message 
contains 9% such words so I think this message is closer to ham than to spam 
in respect of this measure.

-- Parzival

From taz at rolleigh.com  Fri Nov  7 15:36:03 2003
From: taz at rolleigh.com (matt lennon)
Date: Fri Nov  7 15:36:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam filter problem
Message-ID: <KDEJLDBGJILLOJKAGFEIOEEPDDAA.taz@rolleigh.com>

I have a email that it will not let through the system, even after I
"recover from spam"

this email is created by our FTP server for file upload notification.

How can I tell it to ignore this certain sender.

Please help,

Matt Lennon
--
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 7.0.197 / Virus Database: 260.2.9 - Release Date: 11/6/2003
From KFredrickson at cfp-group.com  Fri Nov  7 16:55:44 2003
From: KFredrickson at cfp-group.com (Kim Fredrickson)
Date: Fri Nov  7 16:58:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help - it quit working!
Message-ID: <FBCCCA42CEE0E74DB44478EAC670C1279184B8@nash-cfp-exch.CFP-GROUP.com>

I downloaded Spambayes to my machine and it worked beautifully - for one
day!  The next day when I came in and started my computer, it generated a
fatal flaw with the program and now does not work.  The Spambayes button on
the toolbar pulls down a blank menu.  I removed it from my machine,
restarted and downloaded again, but the same problem exists.  Can this be
fixed?

 

Kimberly Fredrickson 

The CFP Group, LLC

Providing Comprehensive Facility Planning and Architecture

Phone * 615-846-0222

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information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is
prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and
delete the material from any computer 

 

From sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com  Fri Nov  7 18:08:05 2003
From: sethg at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Fri Nov  7 18:08:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] simpler way to invoke SpamBayes from Outlook rule
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEADFLAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>

I just noticed there is a standard action for Outlook rules called "start
application", which runs a user-specified application.  Thus, we could
easily make a rule to run the SpamBayes message processor when any new
message arrives.  If this rule were the *last* rule, then all other rules
would process first without the use of background mode.  Since many message
sorting rules often end with "stop processing further rules", the rule
invoking the SpamBayes engine would thus only run when the message does not
fit any of the other rule categories.  This would get rid of the need for
background processing mode and get rid of the need to watch for "folder add
events".  I realize this is a naive question and that the code is already
written as it is, but wouldn't this make the Outlook specific code a good
deal simpler and thus easier to maintain?


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 18:26:43 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov  7 18:26:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] simpler way to invoke SpamBayes from Outlook rule
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEADFLAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIENMGPAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Seth Goodman]
> I just noticed there is a standard action for Outlook rules called
> "start application", which runs a user-specified application.  Thus,
> we could easily make a rule to run the SpamBayes message processor
> when any new message arrives.

I'm sorry to say that this one is simply impractical:  process creation is
an extremely expensive undertaking on Windows, and especially on the older
Win9x/ME flavors.  It would be unbearably slow for anyone getting a
non-trivial amount of email.  The application that got launched could try to
scan for *lots* of new messages instead of just one, to amortize the gross
startup cost -- but then it would be fighting the same Outlook timing
mysteries as the current scheme.


From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Fri Nov  7 18:39:47 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Fri Nov  7 18:39:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] feature suggestion: new mail sound
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEAFFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

I saw some posts about the Outlook tray envelope icon and new mail sound.
There were various opinions as to how they could be made to work sensibly.
The tray icon is not easy, but I think there is a way to make the new mail
sound useful.  First, we would turn off the new mail sound globally in
Outlook (that's an improvement already).  Then SpamBayes could (optionally)
play the sound when a message was classified as either ham or unsure
(configurable, if you think it necessary).  If you currently use background
mode, all the rules that sort out the mailing list entries that don't
require sound notification are run first, so only personally addressed
messages that are not spam would generate the sound.  If you really wanted
sound notification for a particular mailing list, you could add "play a
sound" to the rule that sorts for that mailing list.

Seth Goodman

Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply

Spambots: please disregard the above


From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Fri Nov  7 18:50:56 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Fri Nov  7 18:51:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] simpler way to invoke SpamBayes from Outlook rule
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIENMGPAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEAGFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> [Seth Goodman]
> > I just noticed there is a standard action for Outlook rules called
> > "start application", which runs a user-specified application.  Thus,
> > we could easily make a rule to run the SpamBayes message processor
> > when any new message arrives.
>
> I'm sorry to say that this one is simply impractical:  process creation is
> an extremely expensive undertaking on Windows, and especially on the older
> Win9x/ME flavors.  It would be unbearably slow for anyone getting a
> non-trivial amount of email.  The application that got launched
> could try to
> scan for *lots* of new messages instead of just one, to amortize the gross
> startup cost -- but then it would be fighting the same Outlook timing
> mysteries as the current scheme.
>

Thanks for the follow-up.


Seth Goodman

Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply

Spambots: please disregard the above


From jimp at sybersearch.com  Fri Nov  7 19:18:07 2003
From: jimp at sybersearch.com (Jim Partridge)
Date: Fri Nov  7 19:18:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Feedback
Message-ID: <001301c3a58d$cd328dc0$6401a8c0@jp751n>

Hi Folks,
I have been using your application now for several days and I'mvery
impressed. It works very well with my Outlook. If you ever need an
endorsement or want our group to sell it for you, just let us know!
Thanks,
 

Jim Partridge B.Comm, MBA 
President & CEO 


 




 

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From gerry at ITWatchdogs.com  Fri Nov  7 19:19:37 2003
From: gerry at ITWatchdogs.com (Gerry Cullen)
Date: Fri Nov  7 19:19:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] dll won't load in W2003
Message-ID: <000001c3a58d$febb10b0$6501a8c0@itwcullen>

I am running Windows 2003 and get the message "Unable to register the
DLL/OCX: Dll register server failed; 0x0000000."  The dll is
addin/spambayes_addin.dll is what is trying to be loaded.  Any ideas?
Gerry
From PIMMEL at mail.nwmissouri.edu  Fri Nov  7 21:57:41 2003
From: PIMMEL at mail.nwmissouri.edu (Immel,Patrick)
Date: Fri Nov  7 21:57:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Mail not autosending in Outlook 2002
Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE39015165545@mail.nwmissouri.edu>

Hello,

First I am basically very happy with the performance of this program. I have
a question problem though!  I am running Outlook 2002 with SpamBayes .81 on
Windows 2000 pro.  I have Outlook set to automatically send mail as soon as
I hit the *send* button.  With SpamBayes installed the mail does not
automatically send, yet when I uninstall SB, the mail starts to auto send.  

Is this a known issue and is there a fix / work around? 

Thanks for the help!

Patrick Immel
Assistant Professor
Lighting & Scenic Designer
Northwest Missouri State University

From richie at entrian.com  Sat Nov  8 04:25:36 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sat Nov  8 04:26:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] simpler way to invoke SpamBayes from Outlook rule
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIENMGPAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEADFLAA.sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com>
	<LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIENMGPAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <18dpqv88kaq9kaulg666p3hv2jmoilflu8@4ax.com>


[Seth]
> I just noticed there is a standard action for Outlook rules called
> "start application", which runs a user-specified application.  Thus,
> we could easily make a rule to run the SpamBayes message processor
> when any new message arrives.

[Tim]
> I'm sorry to say that this one is simply impractical:  process creation is
> an extremely expensive undertaking on Windows, and especially on the older
> Win9x/ME flavors.

Would that still be true for a very small C program that talked to a
long-running Spambayes server process?  I know that process startup is
incredibly bad on Windows compared with any sensible OS, but that's a
relative measure.  I just started Notepad for the first time in ages and
it took on the order of a quarter of a second (on my fast machine, but
people do run Outlook on fast machines 8-).   Doing it a second time is
close to instantateous.  Maybe doing it a thousand times would be
significant, but it's still relative to the time taken to fetch, classify,
sort and store a thousand emails.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From barry.bear at lycos.co.uk  Sat Nov  8 04:40:09 2003
From: barry.bear at lycos.co.uk (B.B)
Date: Sat Nov  8 04:40:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plug-in 0.81 continuous training.
Message-ID: <001a01c3a5dc$4cd43670$2b5a6b3e@barrys>

First of all thank you all for a great product, it just works. I seldom have
a false positive and only a few unsure, I am impressed.

I have a question about the continuous training feature. On the first page
of the Spambayes manager it gives the current status of the training
database of how many good and how many spam. I have noticed that the number
of spam increments with every spam mail received but the number of good does
not increment with every good e-mail received. It remains at the number it
was when I initially trained it. Is this the correct behaviour? 

Thanks
Barry


From DBaumann at technexxus.com  Sat Nov  8 13:27:11 2003
From: DBaumann at technexxus.com (David N. Baumann)
Date: Sat Nov  8 13:27:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Offer to Help
Message-ID: <AD325213AB726740BC611F5955F6310A0F80A4@mxs001.lexxi.com>

I'm very impressed with your work and would be glad to help with your
documentation and in evaluating features and functionality (e.g., "rules
export function" or other utility for setting up multiple machines).
Let me know where to begin.

 

David Baumann

Partner: Mintz Levin Cohn Ferris Glovsky and Popeo, PC

CEO:     TechNexxus, LLC

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From desertdummies at qwest.net  Sat Nov  8 16:37:58 2003
From: desertdummies at qwest.net (Desertdummies)
Date: Sat Nov  8 16:38:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Question
Message-ID: <000001c3a640$976c49c0$6501a8c0@cactus1>

How do I tell Spambayes to mark the messages as "read" when it moves them to
the spam folder?
 
Thanks.
 
Kent




 
From larrym3 at cox.net  Sat Nov  8 17:11:09 2003
From: larrym3 at cox.net (Larry J. Martin)
Date: Sat Nov  8 17:11:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot Open Spambayes Manager
Message-ID: <000001c3a645$37876440$4a413841@chmokc.chm.net>

When I try to open the manager I get a message to install Visio. Here is
the log file. I am sending this from my business account. I am
registered using my personal account larrym3@cox.net
 
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\lmartin.CHMOKC.000\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\lmartin.CHMOKC.000\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 634 spam and 522 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003)
starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 4)
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit
(Intel)]
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Spam
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 0.248356ms
FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' -
(-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0,
-2147467259), None)
Deleted the dead popup control - re-creating
Message 'jza positive grand wh? keep ?p the st?ruggle, a!nnex o?t of
that m?e5s tbztiz' had a Spam classification of 'Unsure'
Training on message 'jza positive grand wh? keep ?p the st?ruggle,
a!nnex o?t of that m?e5s tbztiz' -  trained as spam
SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook
SpamBayes processed 2 messages, finding 1 spam and 1 unsure
Addin terminating: 2 COM client and 2 COM servers exist.
 
Larry J. Martin
CHM Inc.
ljmartin@chm.net <mailto:ljmartin@chm.net> 
cell: 405-514-6556
work: 405-733-2887
 
From kbird at net2dish.net  Sat Nov  8 23:50:56 2003
From: kbird at net2dish.net (Kathy Lynch)
Date: Sat Nov  8 23:51:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes -- I've really done it now!
Message-ID: <000801c3a67d$1a5e0d00$0100a8c0@delldual550>

Good day! Can I recover?

In my Windows XP, I just installed the add-in of SpamBayes and I have already lost approximately twenty good messages from my Outlook 2000 Inbox.

Can I recover them?

Thanks.

Patrick
From pfarley at iisfa.org  Sun Nov  9 10:43:34 2003
From: pfarley at iisfa.org (Paul Farley)
Date: Sun Nov  9 10:43:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install Error
Message-ID: <000e01c3a6d8$40f59950$8505a8c0@aragorn>

I'm trying to install SPAM Bayes on a Windows XP SP1 box running Outlook
2000.

I'm getting the following error:

Unable to register DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer.....spambayes_addin.dll

Ideas?



From Paul.Farley at EventLevel.com  Sun Nov  9 10:54:33 2003
From: Paul.Farley at EventLevel.com (Paul Farley)
Date: Sun Nov  9 10:54:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install Error
In-Reply-To: <000e01c3a6d8$40f59950$8505a8c0@aragorn>
Message-ID: <000f01c3a6d9$c8397a70$8505a8c0@aragorn>

I've tried the uninstall trick, but saw some other ideas on the bug forum
just now, so I'll try that first.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Farley [mailto:pfarley@iisfa.org] 
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 10:44
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Install Error


I'm trying to install SPAM Bayes on a Windows XP SP1 box running Outlook
2000.

I'm getting the following error:

Unable to register DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer.....spambayes_addin.dll

Ideas?



_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html




From bob at 1776.com  Sun Nov  9 12:41:10 2003
From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe)
Date: Sun Nov  9 12:45:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in is SICK and needs help!
Message-ID: <000001c3a6e8$aa329110$6501a8c0@CambridgeMA.gov>

I don't mean to be facetious, but is the Outlook add-in still being supported? Over the past several weeks (at least as long as 0.81 has been out there), literally dozens of people have reported the "Unable to register the DLL/OCX ..." error and the (related?) error in which Spambayes sometimes quits working and/or prevents Outlook from working for one or more users. It would seem that these are serious problems, and they're certainly real. I've seen them both, and I'm not a clueless newbie. But through it all I can't remember seeing a single comment from any of the developers. No acknowledgement that they've confirmed (or not been able to confirm) the errors. No promise to get out a fix. Nothing. (Unless I'm getting senile, which isn't out of the question; I'm not getting any younger.) 

Just for the record, I've gotten both of the aforementioned errors, as have several of my users. For me personally, the most serious problem arose yesterday, when I converted my Windows 2000 laptop to Windows XP (a complete from-scratch reinstallation). Ever since, if I try to open Outlook with Spambayes running, Outlook exits and offers to send an error report to Microsoft. (I let it do so the first time.) If I remove Spambayes, Outlook works normally. I can't prove it, but I suspect that the problem dates to the attempt (around version 0.7 or 0.8) to simplify the installation process by blurring the distinction between user-specific and machine-specific setup. (Before that, the distinction was clean but poorly explained in the documentation, leading to much confusion.) And in the two cases I know the most about, the problem occurred when a Spambayes user tried to use a computer on which no one had run Outlook with Spambayes before.

I fully realize that this is free software and that those who wrote it have to spend some time on their day jobs. So I don't want to make too much out of this. But this program does a good job in an area important to all of us, and it would be a shame to see it wither. We were all a little incensed a month or two ago when a columnist denounced Spambayes as not ready for prime time. But I have to say that I'm beginning to think he has a point.

Bob


From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Sun Nov  9 13:03:02 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Sun Nov  9 13:03:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in is SICK and needs help!
In-Reply-To: <000001c3a6e8$aa329110$6501a8c0@CambridgeMA.gov>
References: <000001c3a6e8$aa329110$6501a8c0@CambridgeMA.gov>
Message-ID: <3FAE8156.2060700@rbwconsulting.com>

Robert K. Coe wrote:

>I don't mean to be facetious, but is the Outlook add-in still being supported? Over the past several weeks (at least as long as 0.81 has been out there), literally dozens of people have reported the "Unable to register the DLL/OCX ..." error and the (related?) error in which Spambayes sometimes 
>  
>
I believe a new installer is being tested that is based on a new 
(sandbox) version py2exe that should fix this problem. Every release of 
the plugin brings a new onslaught of problems, I can see why Mark would 
want to test installer very well before switching to something new.

>I fully realize that this is free software and that those who wrote it have to spend some time on their day jobs. So I don't want to make too much out of this. But this program does a good job in an area important to all of us, and it would be a shame to see it wither. We were all a little incensed a month or two ago when a columnist denounced Spambayes as not ready for prime time. But I have to say that I'm beginning to think he has a point.
>
>  
>
It was a guy in a weblog. As long as there is zero in the first position 
of the version number, then no-one is making any promises that it is 
ready for prime-time.

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From colet at code-energy.com  Sun Nov  9 14:55:51 2003
From: colet at code-energy.com (Cole Tuininga)
Date: Sun Nov  9 14:59:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter fails with string index out of range
Message-ID: <1068407751.20436.9.camel@colap>


Hi all - 

I'm a spambayes newbie, trying to set it up for the first time.  Looked
through the archives but didn't see anything that about this specific
problem.

A little background:

The mail server is running courier imap (ssl) on a debian woody system. 
The mail client is typically evolution on the off chance that it
matters.

On the client system, I've compiled and installed python2.3.  I
installed spambayes with (seemingly) no problem.  

I couldn't seem to get pybsddb to work, so I'm opting to go with pickle
storage.

My .spambayesrc file looks like this:

[Headers]
notate_subject=spam
[imap]
password=*snip*
server=someserver:993
use_ssl=True
username=*snip*

When I started up the imap filter ( sb_imapfilter.py -b ) it seems to
run ok.  I can go in with the web browser and train it, classify mail,
etc.  However, when I try to start the "daemon" version (
sb_imapfilter.py -c -t -l 5 ) I get a traceback:

SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).
                                                                                
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 825, in ?
    run()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 815, in run
    imap_filter.Filter()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 667, in Filter
    imap.SelectFolder(self.spam_folder.name)
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 245, in SelectFolder
    response = self.select(folder, None)
  File "/usr/local/encap/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 606,
in select
    typ, dat = self._simple_command(name, mailbox)
  File "/usr/local/encap/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line
1000, in _simple_command
    return self._command_complete(name, self._command(name, *args))
  File "/usr/local/encap/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 774,
in _command
    data = '%s %s' % (data, self._checkquote(arg))
  File "/usr/local/encap/python-2.3/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 983,
in _checkquote
    if (arg[0],arg[-1]) in (('(',')'),('"','"')):
IndexError: string index out of range

I'm using the latest release from the downloads area (1.0a7 IIRC). 
Anybody have hints/ideas/suggestions?  Thanks in advance...

-- 
"... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that,
 lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of
 their C programs."  --  Robert Firth

Cole Tuininga
Lead Developer
Code Energy, Inc
colet@code-energy.com
PGP Key ID: 0x43E5755D



From spambayes at whateley.com  Sat Nov  8 02:13:16 2003
From: spambayes at whateley.com (Brendon)
Date: Sun Nov  9 16:12:01 2003
Subject: [spambayes-dev] Re: [Spambayes] Outlook Envelope Tray Icon
In-Reply-To: <3FABED84.5050607@rbwconsulting.com>
References: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3765@cliff.bai.org>
	<3FABED84.5050607@rbwconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <200311071220.06215.spambayes@whateley.com>

On Friday 07 November 2003 11:07 am, Adam Walker wrote:
> What about mail delivered to unwatched folders? What about mail
> delivered to watched and unwatched folders in the same batch? Why do
> people feel they need to drop everything and read an email when it comes
> in?
>

Probably the same reason most people can't _not_ answer a ringing phone!

That, or just lonely?

Brendon.


From tpeters at mixcom.com  Sun Nov  9 18:07:38 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Sun Nov  9 18:07:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing the next beta
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031109170030.00b85a70@localhost>

I was wondering where Spambayes keeps its database of words it gets from 
training. I'm guessing hammie.db since that file gets updated every time I 
train.

The last two batches of mail I trained on (47 messages and 64 messages) 
were perfect- Spambayes correctly identified all spam and all ham.

I have 1.0a7 downloaded and want to install it in the next day or so. Can I 
preserve the training I've done so far? How?
Does running setup.py install find and copy/convert the db file? Or should 
I install 1.0a7 and copy my old hammie.db file over the top of the one it 
creates/installs?

-T


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From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 18:09:47 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov  9 18:09:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in is SICK and needs help!
In-Reply-To: <000001c3a6e8$aa329110$6501a8c0@CambridgeMA.gov>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEECHAAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Robert K. Coe]
> I don't mean to be facetious, but is the Outlook add-in still
> being supported? Over the past several weeks (at least as long
> as 0.81 has been out there), literally dozens of people have
> reported the "Unable to register the DLL/OCX ..." error and the
> (related?) error in which Spambayes sometimes quits working
> and/or prevents Outlook from working for one or more users.  It
> would seem that these are serious problems,

Yes.

> and they're certainly real.

Yes.

> I've seen them both, and I'm not a clueless newbie.

So what caused them <0.1 wink>?

> But through it all I can't remember seeing a single comment from
> any of the developers.  No acknowledgement that they've confirmed
> (or not been able to confirm) the errors. No promise to get out a
> fix. Nothing. (Unless I'm getting senile, which isn't out of the
> question; I'm not getting any younger.)

Everything known about such things is recorded in the project bug tracker.
There have always been reports of this kind, since the first alpha release.
The developers never see them happen, so, no, can't confirm any of 'em.  So
long as they remain mysteries, also no, no fix is forthcoming so long as
that remains true.  "Literally dozens" seems hyperbolic to me, but even if
it's hundreds, that's a small percentage of the people who have downloaded
the Outlook addin.

If you haven't noticed before <wink>, that's what Windows is like:  no
matter what piece of Windows software you may look at, a small percentage of
users never get it to work.  Sometimes an extremely persistent user figures
out why (kinda -- this is the "well, I installed a new mouse driver, and
suddenly it works!" kind of pseudo explanation), but often there's never a
resolution.

Every problem reported that Mark could reproduce has already been fixed.
Likewise every problem I've ever seen has already been fixed (across 3
distinct installations).  The only real hopes remaining for others are that
(1) enough reports accumulate on the bug tracker so that a previously
unsuspected pattern appears (like "ah, they're all running ZoneAlarm version
XYZ with its mail quarantine feature enabled"; and/or, (2) someone
knowledgeable about Outlook quirks who experiences a problem digs into it,
and figures it out themself, or can at least relate it to the (often
undocumented) details of the Outlook API; and/or, (3) Mark installs a new
version of Outlook or Windows and sees the problem himself.

Keep in mind that we didn't write Outlook, Microsoft keeps the Outlook
source code secret, and that Mark already fixed dozens of problems stemming
from undocumented, reverse-engineered differences among Outlook and OS
versions.  When working with a Microsoft API, you're working blind (you
can't look at *their* code, you can only guess at the truth about the bits
they didn't reveal, or documented incorrectly, or forgot to update the docs
when some new version or service pack changed behavior).

> ...
> I fully realize that this is free software and that those who
> wrote it have to spend some time on their day jobs.

I can make about one hour per week for spambayes, and since I have no
problems of any kind with the Outlook addin, usually spend it analyzing
"high unsures", looking for tricks we may be missing.  If I had a problem
with the Outlook addin, I'd spend my hour on that instead.  Someone who does
have a problem is going to have to volunteer to track it down to the bitter
end, or pay someone to do that for them.  Another possibility is to give the
Inboxer trial version a shot, and pay for it if it doesn't have the same
problem (I don't know whether they see the same kinds of mystery problems,
but it's possible that they don't).


From pat at lyntronics.com  Sun Nov  9 18:12:37 2003
From: pat at lyntronics.com (Patrick Lynch)
Date: Sun Nov  9 18:12:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in -- how to restore mail?
Message-ID: <FBEHIAPJBLLLEHNNNAHAMEGNCAAA.pat@lyntronics.com>

In less than three minutes after installing the Outlook add-in, I managed to
delete good mail from my inbox.

Running Windows XP, and Outlook 2000.

How do I restore the deleted Inbox messages?

From richie at entrian.com  Sun Nov  9 18:35:29 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Nov  9 18:35:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing the next beta
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031109170030.00b85a70@localhost>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031109170030.00b85a70@localhost>
Message-ID: <2kjtqv02li03j30nag2blh3re2t96smop6@4ax.com>


[Tom]
> I have 1.0a7 downloaded and want to install it in the next day or so. Can I 
> preserve the training I've done so far? How?

You don't say which SpamBayes application you're running - Outlook plugin,
POP3 proxy, IMAP filter, sb_filter...?  You also don't say what version
you're currently running.

If you're running the POP3 proxy, version 1.0a6, you can just upgrade.  It
will automatically pick up your old settings and your old database.

If you're using the 1.0a6 IMAP filter, this note from WHAT_IS_NEW.txt
applies:

--------------------------
** Incompatible changes **
--------------------------

 o If you are using a pickle for storage, your 'message info' database
   would previously still have been a dbm (where available).  This is
   no longer the case - if you are using a pickle for the statistics
   database, you have a pickle for everything.  Your old 'message info'
   database is not converted (and there is no utility provided to do so),
   but you should not suffer any ill effects from this, *unless* you are
   using sb_imapfilter.py.  In that case, you will find that the filter
   trains and classifies all messages in the folders it examines, even
   if it has seen them before - this will only occur once, however.

There should be no other incompatible changes (from 1.0a6) in this
release.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From pat at lyntronics.com  Sun Nov  9 20:45:00 2003
From: pat at lyntronics.com (Patrick Lynch)
Date: Sun Nov  9 20:45:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in -- how to restore mail? - CANCEL THIS!
Message-ID: <FBEHIAPJBLLLEHNNNAHAEEGPCAAA.pat@lyntronics.com>

Please disregard my query earlier today. I found the "Junk E-Mail" folder
and my mail was there!

From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov  9 21:03:09 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov  9 21:03:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in -- how to restore mail? - CANCEL THIS!
In-Reply-To: <FBEHIAPJBLLLEHNNNAHAEEGPCAAA.pat@lyntronics.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIEEJHAAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Patrick Lynch]
> Please disregard my query earlier today. I found the "Junk E-Mail"
> folder and my mail was there!

Glad you're unstuck!  Note that it may *not* be there, though:  when you
configured SpamBayes, you had to tell it about two folders, a spam folder
and an "uncertain" folder.  As you continue training the system, it becomes
much less likely that a good email will wind up in the spam folder.  The
uncertain folder is the other place to look.  I get about 700 emails a day,
and look at my spam folder just once at the end of the day, or sometimes not
at all.  I can't remember the last time I found a ham there.  I look at my
uncertain folder several times per day, though.  Unusual ham ends up there,
sometimes so unusual I can't tell whether it's ham or spam without more
effort than it's worth to figure out.  Those I just throw away.  The rest of
the unsures I train on.


From tpeters at mixcom.com  Sun Nov  9 22:30:44 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Sun Nov  9 22:40:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installing the next beta
In-Reply-To: <2kjtqv02li03j30nag2blh3re2t96smop6@4ax.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031109170030.00b85a70@localhost>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031109170030.00b85a70@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031109212118.01d255a0@localhost>

Sorry I didn't give all the details. I use the POP3 proxy. I downloaded the 
package labeled 1.0a5 then upgraded to 1.0a6 which is what I'm using now.

I installed a6 in a separate directory from the a5 release which is why I 
think it didn't seem to retain the training from the prior release, but it 
was hard to tell since I hadn't done extensive training.

At 11:35 PM 11/9/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > I have 1.0a7 downloaded and want to install it in the next day or so. 
> Can I
> > preserve the training I've done so far? How?
>
>You don't say which SpamBayes application you're running - Outlook plugin,
>POP3 proxy, IMAP filter, sb_filter...?  You also don't say what version
>you're currently running.
>
>If you're running the POP3 proxy, version 1.0a6, you can just upgrade.  It
>will automatically pick up your old settings and your old database.

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From pfarley at iisfa.org  Sun Nov  9 23:31:52 2003
From: pfarley at iisfa.org (Paul Farley)
Date: Sun Nov  9 23:32:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in is SICK and needs help!
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEECHAAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000401c3a743$9502c520$8505a8c0@aragorn>

I have a machine that is consistently giving that error, I don't see a log
file, is there any other information I could collect that would help in
figuring out what's causing the problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.one@comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 18:10
To: Robert K. Coe
Cc: spambayes@Python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in is SICK and needs help!


[Robert K. Coe]
> I don't mean to be facetious, but is the Outlook add-in still
> being supported? Over the past several weeks (at least as long
> as 0.81 has been out there), literally dozens of people have
> reported the "Unable to register the DLL/OCX ..." error and the
> (related?) error in which Spambayes sometimes quits working
> and/or prevents Outlook from working for one or more users.  It
> would seem that these are serious problems,

Yes.

> and they're certainly real.

Yes.

> I've seen them both, and I'm not a clueless newbie.

So what caused them <0.1 wink>?

> But through it all I can't remember seeing a single comment from
> any of the developers.  No acknowledgement that they've confirmed
> (or not been able to confirm) the errors. No promise to get out a
> fix. Nothing. (Unless I'm getting senile, which isn't out of the
> question; I'm not getting any younger.)

Everything known about such things is recorded in the project bug tracker.
There have always been reports of this kind, since the first alpha release.
The developers never see them happen, so, no, can't confirm any of 'em.  So
long as they remain mysteries, also no, no fix is forthcoming so long as
that remains true.  "Literally dozens" seems hyperbolic to me, but even if
it's hundreds, that's a small percentage of the people who have downloaded
the Outlook addin.

If you haven't noticed before <wink>, that's what Windows is like:  no
matter what piece of Windows software you may look at, a small percentage of
users never get it to work.  Sometimes an extremely persistent user figures
out why (kinda -- this is the "well, I installed a new mouse driver, and
suddenly it works!" kind of pseudo explanation), but often there's never a
resolution.

Every problem reported that Mark could reproduce has already been fixed.
Likewise every problem I've ever seen has already been fixed (across 3
distinct installations).  The only real hopes remaining for others are that
(1) enough reports accumulate on the bug tracker so that a previously
unsuspected pattern appears (like "ah, they're all running ZoneAlarm version
XYZ with its mail quarantine feature enabled"; and/or, (2) someone
knowledgeable about Outlook quirks who experiences a problem digs into it,
and figures it out themself, or can at least relate it to the (often
undocumented) details of the Outlook API; and/or, (3) Mark installs a new
version of Outlook or Windows and sees the problem himself.

Keep in mind that we didn't write Outlook, Microsoft keeps the Outlook
source code secret, and that Mark already fixed dozens of problems stemming
from undocumented, reverse-engineered differences among Outlook and OS
versions.  When working with a Microsoft API, you're working blind (you
can't look at *their* code, you can only guess at the truth about the bits
they didn't reveal, or documented incorrectly, or forgot to update the docs
when some new version or service pack changed behavior).

> ...
> I fully realize that this is free software and that those who
> wrote it have to spend some time on their day jobs.

I can make about one hour per week for spambayes, and since I have no
problems of any kind with the Outlook addin, usually spend it analyzing
"high unsures", looking for tricks we may be missing.  If I had a problem
with the Outlook addin, I'd spend my hour on that instead.  Someone who does
have a problem is going to have to volunteer to track it down to the bitter
end, or pay someone to do that for them.  Another possibility is to give the
Inboxer trial version a shot, and pay for it if it doesn't have the same
problem (I don't know whether they see the same kinds of mystery problems,
but it's possible that they don't).


_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html




From Mark.Howells at softoption.com  Mon Nov 10 04:25:39 2003
From: Mark.Howells at softoption.com (Mark Howells)
Date: Mon Nov 10 04:27:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Question
Message-ID: <5846CF419D2EF5439036CC3126A3A995017B1A@SOSERVER1.softoption.local>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Desertdummies [mailto:desertdummies@qwest.net]
> Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Question
> 
> How do I tell Spambayes to mark the messages as "read" when 
> it moves them to
> the spam folder?

Open the SpamBayes manager, select the 'Filtering' tab and check the 'Mark spam as read' and 'Mark possible spam as read' checkboxes as appropriate.

Mark

-- 
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Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 7.0.195 / Virus Database: 260.2.9 - Release Date: 11/6/2003
 

From Mark.Howells at softoption.com  Mon Nov 10 04:28:11 2003
From: Mark.Howells at softoption.com (Mark Howells)
Date: Mon Nov 10 04:29:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes -- I've really done it now!
Message-ID: <5846CF419D2EF5439036CC3126A3A995017B1B@SOSERVER1.softoption.local>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathy Lynch [mailto:kbird@net2dish.net]
> Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes -- I've really done it now!
>
> In my Windows XP, I just installed the add-in of SpamBayes 
> and I have already lost approximately twenty good messages 
> from my Outlook 2000 Inbox.

They should have been moved into the "Certain spam" or "Possible spam" folders defined in the 'Filtering' tab of the SpamBayes manager.  Just select the messages there and click on the "Recover from spam" button.

Mark

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From seant at iname.com  Mon Nov 10 09:28:18 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Mon Nov 10 09:27:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in is SICK and needs help!
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEECHAAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005301c3a796$e3125bb0$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>


...
> > I fully realize that this is free software and that those who
> > wrote it have to spend some time on their day jobs.
> 
> I can make about one hour per week for spambayes, and since I have no
> problems of any kind with the Outlook addin, usually spend it 
> analyzing
> "high unsures", looking for tricks we may be missing.  If I 
> had a problem
> with the Outlook addin, I'd spend my hour on that instead.  
> Someone who does
> have a problem is going to have to volunteer to track it down 
> to the bitter
> end, or pay someone to do that for them.  Another possibility 
> is to give the
> Inboxer trial version a shot, and pay for it if it doesn't 
> have the same
> problem (I don't know whether they see the same kinds of 
> mystery problems,
> but it's possible that they don't).
> 
> 

Oh, if only that were true. We have few reports of this. Not many,
mostly from people installing (attempting to install) on systems with
Outlook Express instead of Outlook. I believe we saw a few before we
tightened
up the "detect Netscape as a really incompatible MAPI provider" logic.

And most recently, I discovered that installing a Python 2.3 based binary on
top
of a 2.2 based binary (without uninstalling first) provokes a lovely error
of
this flavor. 

I promptly built a mandatory uninstall into our installer.

BTW, for those that are wondering ... Tim is absolutely right about the
nightmare that is Outlook.
4 different versions to support, two different operating systems, and a
hostile debugging environment.
I finally spent a day figuring out how to use the remote debugger inside
ActiveState Komodo to debug the binary addin
in Outlook ... just so I could figure out which of 300 lines was incurring
the 20 MB memory leak ... only in the binary.

Still, if enough of your non-technical friends buy it, it might turn into a
living.

-- Sean



From dnoble at appsolution.net  Mon Nov 10 09:52:04 2003
From: dnoble at appsolution.net (DNoble)
Date: Mon Nov 10 09:54:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Development Participation
Message-ID: <003201c3a79a$352d28a0$0c00a8c0@ASP0100>

After reviewing numerous SPAM tools I have to give credit to SpamBayes for
their intelligent grasp of the issue. First you are the only tool of 15 to
actually work correctly on a Windows 2000 Advanced server running Terminal
Services. Your Developers clearly understand the importance of using the
Windows Registry correctly. Second you kept It simple. There is nothing
worse than deploying a tool to 250+ users, most of which don't need the
tool, that asks 25 questions during load, most of which the user doesn't
know the answer to and the administrator can't default. Finally your tool
bar is not inundated with ridiculous features that generally only server to
create more spam or return undeliverable email warnings back to the user. I
also noticed that the memory load and processor load was 85% less than the
average SPAM tool I tested. Lastly you can't beat the price.

In Short Don't change a thing. I am the owner of an Application Hosting
Company (ASP) serving 250+ Customers worldwide on a server farm of 10+
servers running Windows 2000 Terminal Services, Citrix, and a host of
applications for our customers. Most of my users don't require SPAM
protection inside outlook as we stop most of it at the mail servers, however
some have POP accounts with other providers and it was becoming a nightmare.
Your tool gave me a way of solving the problem without managing ridiculous
registry settings for software companies that assume all registry settings
should go to H_Key_Local Machine. Most Vendors also don't understand the
shared installation of Office where multiple users share the same instance
of Office on a server.

Anyway, I Have 15+ years development experience with VB, C++, VBA, SQL,
Access, HTML, XML etc. You Probably don't want my help with documentation as
I tend to be too technical however any development help you need don't
hesitate to drop me a line.

By the way one thing that would be useful would be an administrative option
to turn off the initial setup questions. Don't get me wrong, 4 questions all
defaulted appropriately is not bad at all. However in a network even 4
question times 250 users produces a bunch of phone calls. Let me know if I
can help.

Regards,

Darrell J Noble
Application Solution Providers, Inc.
http://www.appsolution.net
Main Phone: 303-932-0311
From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 10 09:54:22 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Mon Nov 10 09:54:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook plug-in 0.81 continuous training.
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3a5dc$4cd43670$2b5a6b3e@barrys>
Message-ID: <E1AJDRI-0000xX-Fi@mail.python.org>

B.B wrote:
> I have a question about the continuous training feature. On the first
> page of the Spambayes manager it gives the current status of the
> training database of how many good and how many spam. I have noticed
> that the number of spam increments with every spam mail received but
> the number of good does not increment with every good e-mail
> received. It remains at the number it was when I initially trained
> it. Is this the correct behaviour? 

Are you certain that your trained spam count is going up?  Under normal
circumstances, the Outlook addin does not train on *any* received
messages unless you tell it to with the Delete or Recover buttons.
Since the counts in the SpamBayes Manager show the number of messages
that you have trained on, neither should increment just by receiving a
message.

You might want to keep careful tabs on these numbers for a couple of
days to verify that your spam count is in fact increasing with every
received spam message.  If so, there could be several possible
explainations.  The most likely one that I can think of would be if you
have an Outlook rule that moves messages into the folder that you have
designated for Certain Spam.  SpamBayes will train on any untrained
messages that are moved into the spam folder.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From gnunn at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 10 11:41:12 2003
From: gnunn at bellsouth.net (gnunn@bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon Nov 10 11:41:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleting Messages from Junk Folder
Message-ID: <BIEGKBLHDEFAGFFIABCFMEINCAAA.gnunn@bellsouth.net>

Do I have to keep all the spam in the junk folder for the program to work. I
would like to delete it. Some of it has objectionable material in it.



From luro at solari.it  Mon Nov 10 11:46:51 2003
From: luro at solari.it (Luca Rodaro)
Date: Mon Nov 10 11:47:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question : rules for multiple users
Message-ID: <E1AJFC4-00017m-BE@mail.python.org>


As a system admin, I am planning to set up
a spambayes pop3proxy for my organization.
So, many users will redirect their mail client
to the pop3proxy listener.

There's one thing I am not understanding.
Does any user need to train the proxy by himself
with his own rules for spam?
Or is it possible to define global rules, valid for
all users?
Are the rules individual, global, or is it possible
to define rules of both categories?

Thank you for your help.
Best regards from Italy

Luca Rodaro
Udine - Italy



From Mark.Howells at softoption.com  Mon Nov 10 11:52:45 2003
From: Mark.Howells at softoption.com (Mark Howells)
Date: Mon Nov 10 11:55:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Deleting Messages from Junk Folder
Message-ID: <5846CF419D2EF5439036CC3126A3A995017B20@SOSERVER1.softoption.local>



> From: gnunn@bellsouth.net [mailto:gnunn@bellsouth.net]
> 
> Do I have to keep all the spam in the junk folder for the 
> program to work. I
> would like to delete it. Some of it has objectionable material in it.

Go ahead and delete it,  All SpamBayes information is held in external databases.

Mark

-- 
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 7.0.195 / Virus Database: 260.2.9 - Release Date: 11/6/2003
 

From balfson at mediasoftusa.com  Mon Nov 10 12:54:39 2003
From: balfson at mediasoftusa.com (Bob Alfson)
Date: Mon Nov 10 12:56:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook running under WinXP-SP1
Message-ID: <313AB038FC08D5118ADC0008C75DE36FEC0FAF@exchange.microageokc.com>

Have tried all suggestions in troubleshooting guide, but still can't enable
v.81 
From thetasig at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 14:17:10 2003
From: thetasig at comcast.net (theta sigma)
Date: Mon Nov 10 14:17:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Mozilla and Spambayes
Message-ID: <3FAFE436.90606@comcast.net>

I've been successful in migrating from Eudora to Mozilla.  I'm still 
using SpamBayes service.  I'd be happy to help out if anyone needs 
assistance.

-=mark=-

From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 14:44:33 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Nov 10 14:44:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in is SICK and needs help!
In-Reply-To: <000401c3a743$9502c520$8505a8c0@aragorn>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKEIHHAAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Paul Farley]
> I have a machine that is consistently giving that error, I don't see
> a log file, is there any other information I could collect that would
> help in figuring out what's causing the problem?

Well, let's start with:

+ Which error, exactly (Robert Coe mentioned 3 different errors in
  the base message you're replying to indirectly here)?

+ Which version of the addin?

+ Which version and service pack (or "technical refresh") of Outlook?

+ Which OS, which service pack level of that OS, and which nationality?

Whichever combo of answers you give, I probably don't have access to the
same combo.  The hope then is that other people on this list with the same
combo as yours speak up, one way or the other.  If nobody replies, there's
nothing more we can do.  If other people with the same combo report the same
problem, then there's a basis for making progress.  If other people with the
same combo report that they don't have the same problem, then there's some
other difference among your systems that you'll have to figure out in
cooperation with those who replied.

IOW, problems the developers can't reproduce will get fixed only to the
extent that people experiencing the problems actively cooperate with each
other.  That *can* work great.  A Wiki is a good way for people to share
experiences in one place, and Richie Hindle set one up for SpamBayes:

    http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/


From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Mon Nov 10 14:45:29 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Mon Nov 10 14:45:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACACEIAFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

I saw mention in some other threads about methods of rebalancing spam and
ham in the databases.  My question concerns preventing the databases from
growing without limit.  At the moment, I have only about 550 ham and 750
spam, but I am still adding fifteen or twenty spam per day from the Unsure
folder.  Unless this slows down, after another three months or so, I will
have around 2K spams and climbing.  Not only will this imbalance the data
set, but I've heard that empirical tests show that too large a database
decreases accuracy.

So I am curious what, if any, measures SpamBayes takes to control the size
of the databases.  I saw the post that suggested ageing out databases to
control total number plus same start date and then using random deletion to
balance the data set sizes.  I also am uncomfortable with the idea of
randomly deleting spam from the database, but have also noted that someone
knowledgeable stated "intuition is a poor guide".  As a hardware guy who
does signal processing for a living, I am not at all surprised at this in a
stochastic approach like yours.  However, if empirical evidence tells you to
keep the database size limited, an important step would be for the program
to do this in a reasonable way, whatever that is.  One other Bayesian spam
program (K9) sets separate limits on the number of spam and ham, trains on
every message and deletes the oldest message when a new on comes in.  This
achieves whatever spam/ham balance you want without regard to start date.
Another obvious approach is to enforce the same start date on the two data
sets and accept any spam/ham imbalance.  I have no idea what works best, but
I'd be willing to help with the experiments needed.

Since I don't know jack about Python, Windows API's, Outlook, or VBA, I
can't help with that type of programming.  If you can isolate it to some C
modules, I *can* code in that, as long as you don't talk to me about Windows
object classes.  I wouldn't mind writing code to process a database file in
various ways whose structure was explained somewhere.  The software I've
written has been limited to DSP routines, DSP simulations (Matlab),
communications and hard real-time code for embedded systems (don't need no
stinkin' windows).  However, I'd also be happy to run test sets to quantify
the results of different methods of pruning the databases.  If I can help
out in any way, please let me know.


Seth Goodman

  Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply

  Spambots: please disregard the above


From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 15:11:59 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Nov 10 15:12:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACACEIAFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIEILHAAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Seth Goodman]
> I saw mention in some other threads about methods of rebalancing spam
> and ham in the databases.  My question concerns preventing the
> databases from growing without limit.  At the moment, I have only
> about 550 ham and 750 spam, but I am still adding fifteen or twenty
> spam per day from the Unsure folder.

If you're seeing spam at the high end of the Unsure range, and you're not
seeing ham at the high end of the Unsure range, another idea is to reduce
the spam cutoff value (I use 20 and 80 as my cutoffs now).  The default
values are set closer to the endpoints to help protect new users from
initial classification glitches.

> Unless this slows down, after another three months or so, I will have
> around 2K spams and climbing.  Not only will this imbalance the data
> set,

Unless you also add more ham, sure.  But it should slow down.

> but I've heard that empirical tests show that too large a database
> decreases accuracy.

I saw no evidence of that when I ran mass tests, where tens of thousands of
each kind were trained on.  To the contrary, the more training, the better
the results, although a graph of performance versus training size looked
more logarithmic than anything else (IOW, you hit a point of diminishing
returns quickly).  Also, that was on a fixed set of messages.  The
characteristics of live data may well be different, since spam and ham do
change over time.  That's one argument in favor of expiring old data.  OTOH,
I have correspondents I hear from no more than once or twice per year, and
if I tossed the rare samples from them out of my ham training set, some of
them would have a hard time getting scored as ham the next time they wrote.
Lots of tradeoffs.

> So I am curious what, if any, measures SpamBayes takes to control the
> size of the databases.

Currently none.  I've been using my main addin database for about a year
now, and it's grown to 639 ham and 1049 spam.  I rarely train it anymore --
it's more than good enough as-is.  This is against an email load of about
700 new msgs per day, so in all I've trained on about 2-3 days' worth of
data over the past year.

> I saw the post that suggested ageing out databases to control total
> number plus same start date and then using random deletion to balance
> the data set sizes.  I also am uncomfortable with the idea of randomly
> deleting spam from the database, but have also noted that someone
> knowledgeable stated "intuition is a poor guide".

I don't like random deletion of trained ham because of what I said above.
That's an experiment I've tried, and I was unhappy with the results.  I'm
afraid we all get *some* kinds of ham that's so rare a statistical sampling
isn't going to find it.

> As a hardware guy who does signal processing for a living, I am not at
> all surprised at this in a stochastic approach like yours.  However, if
> empirical evidence tells you to keep the database size limited, an
> important step would be for the program to do this in a reasonable way,
> whatever that is.

I suggest you wait until you have a real problem before trying to solve it.
Part of "intuition is a poor guide" is that lots of solutions turn out to be
unnecessary <wink>.

> ...
> Since I don't know jack about Python, Windows API's, Outlook, or VBA,
> I can't help with that type of programming.  If you can isolate it to
> some C modules, I *can* code in that, as long as you don't talk to me
> about Windows object classes.

SpamBayes is written 100% in Python.  Since you know C, you'd find the
Python tutorial easy going, and would be doing interesting things in the
language the same day you start learning it.


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 10 15:19:16 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Mon Nov 10 15:19:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACACEIAFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <E1AJIVh-0001QU-De@mail.python.org>

Seth Goodman wrote:
> However, if empirical evidence tells
> you to keep the database size limited, an important step would be for
> the program to do this in a reasonable way, whatever that is.  One
> other Bayesian spam program (K9) sets separate limits on the number
> of spam and ham, trains on every message and deletes the oldest
> message when a new on comes in.  This achieves whatever spam/ham
> balance you want without regard to start date.

In K9, the limits you're talking about only control how many complete
messages of each type are stored in cache for future *re-training*.
They do not affect the contents of the actual training database.  K9
does not currently do any aging of the training data, although I believe
it has been discussed in that context as well.

In the training database, both K9 and SpamBayes store only a list of
tokens with counts of how many times each has been seen in spam and in
ham.  No other information is stored about the original message that the
token was seen in.  The most effective way of aging out tokens would
seem to be to keep track of the date that each token was last seen, and
set a threshold that says if a token has not been seen in n days then
remove it from the training data.  Unfortunately, this adds a
significant amount of size to the training database as well as
increasing the amount of work to be done when classifying a message
(thus decreasing the performance).

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From neale at woozle.org  Mon Nov 10 15:19:48 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Mon Nov 10 15:19:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Saving hammie.db when upgrading?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031107005438.00b8c1b0@localhost> (Tom Peters's
	message of "Fri, 07 Nov 2003 01:02:08 -0600")
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031107005438.00b8c1b0@localhost>
Message-ID: <w53n0b4c6xn.fsf@woozle.org>

Tom Peters <tpeters@mixcom.com> writes:

> I have 1.0a7 downloaded and want to install it in the next day or
> so. Can I preserve the training I've done so far? How?

The database file format hasn't changed, so you should be able to use
1.0a7 in place the same way you used 1.0a6.  Just don't run
"sb_filter.py -n" :)

Neale

From matt at mondoinfo.com  Mon Nov 10 15:40:06 2003
From: matt at mondoinfo.com (Matthew Dixon Cowles)
Date: Mon Nov 10 15:40:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <E1AJIVh-0001QU-De@mail.python.org>
References: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACACEIAFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
	<E1AJIVh-0001QU-De@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1068495943.66.1099@sake.mondoinfo.com>

> The most effective way of aging out tokens would seem to be to keep
> track of the date that each token was last seen, and set a
> threshold that says if a token has not been seen in n days then
> remove it from the training data.

I did some work on that sort of thing some months ago. I found that,
at least with regard to my mail, the most effective strategy was to
retain tokens that had not just been seen but had actually been used
in scoring. With a database that was trained on all incoming mail
every day, I was able to reduce the database size to something
between 10% and 15% of the size it would normally be before the error
rate increased significantly.

At about the same time that I found that, I upgraded to a new laptop
with 15 times the disk space of my old one, so my researches along
those lines became somewhat less urgent. I also found that Tim
Peters' strategy of just not bothering to train was also very
effective in keeping the database size down.

> Unfortunately, this adds a significant amount of size to the
> training database as well as increasing the amount of work to be
> done when classifying a message (thus decreasing the performance).

Indeed, and keeping a database open r/w while scoring increases the
chances that a random crash will corrupt it.

Regards,
Matt


From richie at entrian.com  Mon Nov 10 15:46:19 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Nov 10 15:46:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Offer to Help / Development Participation
In-Reply-To: <AD325213AB726740BC611F5955F6310A0F80A4@mxs001.lexxi.com>
References: <AD325213AB726740BC611F5955F6310A0F80A4@mxs001.lexxi.com>
Message-ID: <8rsvqv0vt1804s1akodgn77060evpgr83e@4ax.com>

David, Darrell,

[David]
> I'm very impressed with your work and would be glad to help [...]

[Darrell]
> [...] any development help you need don't hesitate to drop me a line.

Many thanks for the offers!  Maybe other developers would like to make
specific suggestions (hence I've forwarded this to the spambayes-dev
mailing list), but there's a whole bunch of things that you could do,
starting with the non-technical:

 o Try to reproduce bugs that we're having trouble reproducing; see the
   bug list at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103
   (807217 is my personal hate figure).

 o Help with testing; we're only able to test within our own environments,
   and only the developers who are around at the time of a release are
   able to do even that.  Some "real people" who could help test in their
   environments would be a big help.

 o Help improve the website; there's a Wiki page about that at
   http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/WebSiteDevelopment

 o Help improve the documentation, especially for the non-Outlook
   applications (POP3 proxy, IMAP filter, Notes filter, sb_filter).

 o Help out newbies on the mailing list.

 o Make contributions to the Wiki, http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki - any
   hints and tips, scripts, recipes etc.

 o Taking part in discussions on the developer's mailing list at
   spambayes-dev@python.org.  You don't need to be a developer to
   participate, you just need to have a decent grasp of the project and
   have opinions about how it should be developed.

For those with programming skills, there's even more you could help with,
even without in-depth knowledge of the code.  The code's pretty
accessible, and developers are always glad to answer questions about how
it all works.  Here's a small list off the top of my head:

 o Test patches, tidying them up, making them fit the coding standard
   (http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0008.html) if they don't already.
   See http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498105

 o Fix bugs - turning a bug report into a patch makes it far more likely
   to be fixed!

 o Improve our unit tests, or help develop an acceptance test framework.

 o Once you've got a handle on how the code works, implement feature
   requests.

 o Backport bugfixes from the head onto the bugfix branch, although our
   branch strategy is a little up in the air at the moment, so that's one
   for the future.

 o Help with sailing our fleet of luxury yachts from the Caribbean to the
   Med for the Spring season... or am I dreaming again?  8-)

There are probably a dozen other things that I haven't thought of.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From richie at entrian.com  Mon Nov 10 15:59:45 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Nov 10 16:00:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question : rules for multiple users
In-Reply-To: <E1AJFC4-00017m-BE@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AJFC4-00017m-BE@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <v8uvqvsmb9kor8uqnpjisot1er6ef71o9e@4ax.com>

Hi Luca,

> As a system admin, I am planning to set up
> a spambayes pop3proxy for my organization.
> So, many users will redirect their mail client
> to the pop3proxy listener.
> 
> There's one thing I am not understanding.
> Does any user need to train the proxy by himself
> with his own rules for spam?
> Or is it possible to define global rules, valid for
> all users?
> Are the rules individual, global, or is it possible
> to define rules of both categories?

If all your users share the same instance of the proxy, then they all
share a training database.  The same rules will apply to all of them.

This is a mixed blessing; the database will be trained very quickly, and
on the whole the system will work well for a bunch of people whose use of
email tends to be quite similar (eg. if the vast majority of legitimate
email is work-related, and they work in similar jobs).

On the other hand, if they all subscribe to a wide variety of mailing
lists, their training efforts will at best dilute each other, and at worst
contradict each other.  Imagine a doctor working with sexual problems, vs.
a banker working with African investments.  Words like Viagra, Erection,
Nigeria and Fund Transfer will be trained in very different ways by the
two of them.  Spambayes is really intended to be used in a single-user
environment (or in a multi-user environment by giving each user their own
instance of the proxy, which is just another way of saying the same
thing).  To my knowledge, no-one has made a scientific study of how well
it performs in a multi-user environment vs. the equivalent single-user
environments.  My gut feeling is that it will perform merely extremely
well, instead of astonishingly well.  8-)

The other caveat with multiple users using the same proxy is that they
will be able to read each other's emails, because the training interface
lets you read the emails that are awaiting training.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 16:33:03 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Nov 10 16:33:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <E1AJIVh-0001QU-De@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEJEHAAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Kenny Pitt]
> ...
> In the training database, both K9 and SpamBayes store only a list of
> tokens with counts of how many times each has been seen in spam and in
> ham.  No other information is stored about the original message that
> the token was seen in.  The most effective way of aging out tokens
> would seem to be to keep track of the date that each token was last
> seen, and set a threshold that says if a token has not been seen in n
> days then remove it from the training data.  Unfortunately, this adds
> a significant amount of size to the training database as well as
> increasing the amount of work to be done when classifying a message
> (thus decreasing the performance).

SpamBayes originally saved a lot more info about each token, including a
timestamp recording its most recent use in scoring.  The effect on database
size is indeed large, but the effect on processing time is minor.  At that
time, SpamBayes scored at least 80 messages/second on my home machine, and
it's slower than that now (mostly due to I/O costs and fancier-- despite
leaner --database schemes).

The extra fields were deleted because nobody had figured out a compelling
use for them.  Part of the problem in designing an expiration scheme is that
bags of words get added on a per-message basis, so should be removed on a
per-message basis too.  Then you have to coordinate a message database with
the token database, or expand the token database to remember the bags of
tokens it was trained on.

So that's plenty of work, while most of the developers still have databases
so small that it's hard to find them on a modern disk <wink>.


From olli.marttila at kolumbus.fi  Mon Nov 10 19:20:30 2003
From: olli.marttila at kolumbus.fi (Olli J. Marttila)
Date: Mon Nov 10 19:20:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / No
	module named zlib ?
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031111021758.02439170@127.0.0.1>


Thanks to Christopher Jastram  (I had to reconfigure
python with the flag --enable-zlib; why was this not
mentioned in installation instructions?) I was eventually
able to open http://localhost:8880 and start training of
Spambayes by feeding incoming messages one by one to the
"Train on a message ..." window. Stupid as I am, I don't
still succeed in setting the IMAP filter to run
periodically. Command

marttila@linux:~> python sb_imapfilter.py -c -t -l 10

is answered by message

python: can't open file 'sb_imapfilter.py';

and defining the path

marttila@linux:~> python /usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -c
-t -l 10

doesn't have a better success:

SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version
0.02 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 825, in ?
     run()
   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 815, in run
     imap_filter.Filter()
   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 667, in Filter
     imap.SelectFolder(self.spam_folder.name)
   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 245, in
SelectFolder
     response = self.select(folder, None)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 606, in
select
     typ, dat = self._simple_command(name, mailbox)
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 1000, in
_simple_command
     return self._command_complete(name, self._command(name,
*args))
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 774, in
_command
     data = '%s %s' % (data, self._checkquote(arg))
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 983, in
_checkquote
     if (arg[0],arg[-1]) in (('(',')'),('"','"')):
IndexError: string index out of range

I certainly must have missed some essential stages. - BTW,
what is Spambayes Manager? I understood that SpamBayes
should process the mail in three categories, but I cannot
experience anything like that. How can I get this
classifying started? - I created local mailboxes for spam
and ham in my ~/Mail directory, and moved a little more
than one thousand messages in them, arrived during last two
weeks, but didn't know how to get Spambayes to use them for
training - it refused to understand their format.

My OS in SuSE Linux Personal edition 8.2, I am relying in
KMail, and - what is apparent from what written above -
using IMAP protocol. Spambayes version is 0.7. I have an
external firewall (192.168.1.254). There is another,
commercial spam filter (McAfee SpamKiller) for the
Windows2000 mail programme (Eudora), that seems to filter
most spam messages before they reach KMail; still there is
need an effective filter for Linux based operations.

Any good advice is welcome - and I have experienced with
gratefulness that there are good advisers on this site! My
instructor and superior, former chairman of the Board of
the ADB services of the University, once defined that the
programme manuals are written in a way that the
instructions can be understood only by people who already
know how to proceed without those instructions.

- There is a saying in Finnish that the instructions must be
modelled for the simple people wringing steel wire, and now
I certainly need lots of wire to become to understand the
installation instructions, be it the fact that I use Linux
and KMail or that my mail protocol is IMAP. (There are good
instructions in Finnish how to proceed with Mozilla Mail
and POP3 protocol.)

Olli J. Marttila

***********************

On Friday 07 November 2003 03:36, Christopher Jastram wrote:
 >
 >
 > Take this with a grain of salt, because I haven't had
 > this particular problem.  However, I have many similar
 > problems, both with Python and with other pieces of
 > software.
 >
 > Here's the deal: python is looking for a python module
 > called zlib, which is NOT included in the zlib /
 > zlib-devel RPMs.  Fortunately, you've already compiled
 > Python (this tells me you know something about how this
 > stuff works).  What you want is to enable 'zlib' support
 > when you compile python.  You'll need zlib-devel to be
 > installed for Python to compile with zlib support
 > (already installed).  Once Python is built and installed
 > with zlib support, the zlib.py module will exist in a
 > funcational form, and you'll be all set.
 >
 > How to enable zlib support?  I dunno.  Been a while since
 > I've had to compile python (I love FreeBSD ports!).  Are
 > they using a configure script?  If so, look in
 > ./configure --help for something like '--enable-zlib'.
 > Otherwise, look at the docs.  (tip: grep -ir zlib doc/*)
 >
 > chris


From flyfishermann at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 10 20:29:17 2003
From: flyfishermann at earthlink.net (Richard Mann)
Date: Mon Nov 10 20:29:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook addin
Message-ID: <3FB03B6D.9070609@earthlink.net>

I installed SpamBayes Outlook addin on my home system (Windows Xp and 
Outlook 2002) with no trouble and everything seems to be working properly.

However, I also loaded it at work on my Windows Me/Outlook 98 machine 
and the addin does not load at all when I open Outlook, despite no 
errors during the installation.  I have run regsvr and also 
uninstalled/reinstalled the addin with no success.  The addin does not 
show under the com addins in Outlook 98.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for your help!
From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 21:25:31 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Nov 10 21:25:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook addin
In-Reply-To: <3FB03B6D.9070609@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEKJHAAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Richard Mann]
> I installed SpamBayes Outlook addin on my home system (Windows Xp and
> Outlook 2002) with no trouble and everything seems to be working
> properly.
>
> However, I also loaded it at work on my Windows Me/Outlook 98 machine
> and the addin does not load at all when I open Outlook, despite no
> errors during the installation.  I have run regsvr and also
> uninstalled/reinstalled the addin with no success.  The addin does not
> show under the com addins in Outlook 98.
>
> Any ideas?

Sorry, the addin can't be used with Outlook 98.  Microsoft made huge changes
to Outlook's object model between OL98 and OL2000, and it would take quite
different code on our end to deal with OL98.  I don't think any of the
current developers even has access to an OL98 installation, so I don't
expect this to change (while it's possible that an OL98 user will decide to
rewrite our code for OL98's quirks and contribute that back to the project,
I don't expect it).


From desertdummies at qwest.net  Mon Nov 10 22:07:58 2003
From: desertdummies at qwest.net (Desertdummies)
Date: Mon Nov 10 22:08:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion
Message-ID: <000a01c3a801$05814f20$6501a8c0@cactus1>

It would be nice if, when you select the "Delete As Spam" button, that it
would be marked as "read" when placed into your spam folder.
 
Thanks for a great program.
 
Kent
From Phil.Jollans at MESSRING.de  Tue Nov 11 04:16:46 2003
From: Phil.Jollans at MESSRING.de (Phil.Jollans@MESSRING.de)
Date: Tue Nov 11 04:16:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ 3.8 How can I get rid of the envelope tray icon for
	spam? 
Message-ID: <20D8C15B1A415F4DBDC591B80A6E567F387A08@exchange-server.messring.de>

Hi,

with regard to the FAQ
3.8   How can I get rid of the envelope tray icon for spam? 
for Outlook.

I have found that if I select "Mark All as Read" from the context menu for
the Spam folder, then the envlope icon disappears.

It may be possible to do this via the outlook automation interface, I have
no idea. If not, I think it would be worth a mention in the FAQ list,
instead of just stating that "you'll have to put up with the little
envelope, sorry".

Thanks for a really excellent product.

Regards
Phil Jollans

MESSRING Systembau MSG GmbH
Robert-Stirling-Ring 1
82152 Krailling

Tel: +49-89-898139-712
Fax: +49-89-898139-924
phil.jollans@messring.de
http://www.messring.com


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From rmalayter at bai.org  Tue Nov 11 08:52:03 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Tue Nov 11 08:52:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C37FE@cliff.bai.org>

This is an option in the latest version 0.81. It's the bottom item on
the Training tab. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+rmalayter=bai.org@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+rmalayter=bai.org@python.org] On 
> Behalf Of Desertdummies
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:08 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion
> 
> It would be nice if, when you select the "Delete As Spam" 
> button, that it would be marked as "read" when placed into 
> your spam folder.
>  
> Thanks for a great program.
>  
> Kent
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 11 09:30:51 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov 11 09:31:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FAQ 3.8 How can I get rid of the envelope tray icon
	forspam? 
In-Reply-To: <20D8C15B1A415F4DBDC591B80A6E567F387A08@exchange-server.messring.de>
Message-ID: <E1AJZY5-0007ck-RD@mail.python.org>

Phil.Jollans@MESSRING.de wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> with regard to the FAQ
> 3.8   How can I get rid of the envelope tray icon for spam?
> for Outlook.
> 
> I have found that if I select "Mark All as Read" from the context
> menu for the Spam folder, then the envlope icon disappears.
> 
> It may be possible to do this via the outlook automation interface, I
> have no idea. If not, I think it would be worth a mention in the FAQ
> list, instead of just stating that "you'll have to put up with the
> little envelope, sorry".

Thanks for the suggestion.  I already have a bit of code that can remove
the envelope icon from the tray, but unfortunately there is a bit more
to the problem.

What most people want is to avoid having to open Outlook to find out
whether all the new messages are spam or not.  So they want SpamBayes to
remove the envelope icon automatically if there are no "interesting" new
messages.  But how do we determine, after we classify a new message as
spam, that there are no other "interesting" messages that still haven't
been read?  Because the user can set up Outlook rules to move messages
anywhere they want, it is impossible to know specific folders to check
for unread messages and it would be very time-consuming to search every
folder in the Outlook store for unread messages each time we classified
a message as spam.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From cej at intech.com  Tue Nov 11 10:31:04 2003
From: cej at intech.com (Christopher Jastram)
Date: Tue Nov 11 10:39:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / No  module
	named zlib ?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20031111021758.02439170@127.0.0.1>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031111021758.02439170@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <3FB100B8.7050202@intech.com>

Exactly what version of Python are you running?

I had the exact same problem a few weeks ago, and I think I fixed it by 
downloading and installing the very latest version of Python from source 
from python.org.  Now, you are installing from source -- is it from RPM 
source or python.org?

I think the version was 2.3.2, but I'm not sure.  The computer I have it 
on is at home -- grrrr.

My platform is SuSE 8.2 Professional, connecting to a Cyrus IMAP 
server.  I was setting sb_imapfilter to run in concert with Evolution, 
but I abandoned it in favor of server-side filtering (which works quite 
well, so far).

And, you are absolutely right about many manuals being written for 
people who do not need them.  I am only now (after 5 years' intensive 
experience in Linux and FreeBSD) able to sit down with a manual and work 
out how to use the software without using a HOWTO or tutorial.  It is a 
very time-consuming process, and I generally print out the manual on 
paper and make lots of notes.  Same for source code, but I can't print 
source code out, which sucks (10k pages is no good).

Christopher Jastram

Olli J. Marttila wrote:

>
> Thanks to Christopher Jastram  (I had to reconfigure
> python with the flag --enable-zlib; why was this not
> mentioned in installation instructions?) I was eventually
> able to open http://localhost:8880 and start training of
> Spambayes by feeding incoming messages one by one to the
> "Train on a message ..." window. Stupid as I am, I don't
> still succeed in setting the IMAP filter to run
> periodically. Command
>
> marttila@linux:~> python sb_imapfilter.py -c -t -l 10
>
> is answered by message
>
> python: can't open file 'sb_imapfilter.py';
>
> and defining the path
>
> marttila@linux:~> python /usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -c
> -t -l 10
>
> doesn't have a better success:
>
> SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003),
> using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version
> 0.02 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 825, in ?
>     run()
>   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 815, in run
>     imap_filter.Filter()
>   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 667, in Filter
>     imap.SelectFolder(self.spam_folder.name)
>   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 245, in
> SelectFolder
>     response = self.select(folder, None)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 606, in
> select
>     typ, dat = self._simple_command(name, mailbox)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 1000, in
> _simple_command
>     return self._command_complete(name, self._command(name,
> *args))
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 774, in
> _command
>     data = '%s %s' % (data, self._checkquote(arg))
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/imaplib.py", line 983, in
> _checkquote
>     if (arg[0],arg[-1]) in (('(',')'),('"','"')):
> IndexError: string index out of range
>
> I certainly must have missed some essential stages. - BTW,
> what is Spambayes Manager? I understood that SpamBayes
> should process the mail in three categories, but I cannot
> experience anything like that. How can I get this
> classifying started? - I created local mailboxes for spam
> and ham in my ~/Mail directory, and moved a little more
> than one thousand messages in them, arrived during last two
> weeks, but didn't know how to get Spambayes to use them for
> training - it refused to understand their format.
>
> My OS in SuSE Linux Personal edition 8.2, I am relying in
> KMail, and - what is apparent from what written above -
> using IMAP protocol. Spambayes version is 0.7. I have an
> external firewall (192.168.1.254). There is another,
> commercial spam filter (McAfee SpamKiller) for the
> Windows2000 mail programme (Eudora), that seems to filter
> most spam messages before they reach KMail; still there is
> need an effective filter for Linux based operations.
>
> Any good advice is welcome - and I have experienced with
> gratefulness that there are good advisers on this site! My
> instructor and superior, former chairman of the Board of
> the ADB services of the University, once defined that the
> programme manuals are written in a way that the
> instructions can be understood only by people who already
> know how to proceed without those instructions.
>
> - There is a saying in Finnish that the instructions must be
> modelled for the simple people wringing steel wire, and now
> I certainly need lots of wire to become to understand the
> installation instructions, be it the fact that I use Linux
> and KMail or that my mail protocol is IMAP. (There are good
> instructions in Finnish how to proceed with Mozilla Mail
> and POP3 protocol.)
>
> Olli J. Marttila
>
> ***********************
>
> On Friday 07 November 2003 03:36, Christopher Jastram wrote:
> >
> >
> > Take this with a grain of salt, because I haven't had
> > this particular problem.  However, I have many similar
> > problems, both with Python and with other pieces of
> > software.
> >
> > Here's the deal: python is looking for a python module
> > called zlib, which is NOT included in the zlib /
> > zlib-devel RPMs.  Fortunately, you've already compiled
> > Python (this tells me you know something about how this
> > stuff works).  What you want is to enable 'zlib' support
> > when you compile python.  You'll need zlib-devel to be
> > installed for Python to compile with zlib support
> > (already installed).  Once Python is built and installed
> > with zlib support, the zlib.py module will exist in a
> > funcational form, and you'll be all set.
> >
> > How to enable zlib support?  I dunno.  Been a while since
> > I've had to compile python (I love FreeBSD ports!).  Are
> > they using a configure script?  If so, look in
> > ./configure --help for something like '--enable-zlib'.
> > Otherwise, look at the docs.  (tip: grep -ir zlib doc/*)
> >
> > chris
>
>



From ricardo at talentum.com.ar  Tue Nov 11 11:37:53 2003
From: ricardo at talentum.com.ar (Ricardo Basualdo)
Date: Tue Nov 11 11:38:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Complete Removal
Message-ID: <3F9F889800381C78@mta4.fibertel.com.ar> (added by
	postmaster@fibertel.com.ar)

My OS is Windows XP.

I just bought and installed Office 2003.

I tested Outlook's 2003 new Junk Mail filter and it filtered about 99% of
the junk, so I decided to uninstall Spam Bayes (even though it has being
very useful for me while I used it, for which I'm thankful for this).

 

Okay, the problem is that Spam Bayes does not have an uninstall option, so I
used the Add Remove Programs control panel to uninstall it and even though
it doesn't show anymore in the list of installed programs, I got a message
saying "some components could not be uninstalled and you should do it
manually".

 

After that I re-started my computer and Outlook, but the buttons of Spam
Bayes, even though disabled, still appear there. Here is a screen shot.

 



 

I also tried to disable it by going to the Com Add-Inns window, but as you
can see, Spam Bayes doesn't show on the list.

 

 

 

 

So, how can I remove it completely and stop the Icons of Spam Bayes to keep
showing in Outlook?

 

PD: I read all your FAQ and other notes and there's nothing specifically
addressing this issue.

 

Thanks for your answer.

 

Ricardo Basualdo

TALENTUM THINK TANK

President

 

 

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From hcross at alltrista.com  Tue Nov 11 11:55:47 2003
From: hcross at alltrista.com (Cross, Harvey)
Date: Tue Nov 11 11:55:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] HELP!
Message-ID: <3D23F6A5C4D8D31197CA00508B9B0F0301D88E6A@cpc_ex1>

 
I need your help if possible.  I have used Spambayes for several months and
love it!
For some reason it disappeared off of the tool bar. It was not operative.  I
went to tools, options, other, advanced and com add-ins.  The Spambayes was
there and not checked.  I checked it and hit ok.  If I go back it is
unchecked again. 
I have uninstalled and reinstalled the program several times.  Nothing seems
to work.  
I HATE SPAM.  ANY HELP WILL BE APPRECIATED.
 

Harvey Cross 
Alltrista Consumer Products 
( 770-979-5896

*    <mailto:HCross@alltrista.com> HCross@alltrista.com

 

From olli.marttila at kolumbus.fi  Tue Nov 11 11:59:18 2003
From: olli.marttila at kolumbus.fi (Olli J. Marttila)
Date: Tue Nov 11 11:59:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / No 
	module named zlib ?
In-Reply-To: <3FB100B8.7050202@intech.com>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031111021758.02439170@127.0.0.1>
	<3FB100B8.7050202@intech.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20031111182200.02471298@127.0.0.1>

I have the newest version of python (the same 2.3.2), downloaded from 
python.org as a tarball. Somebody adviced me to throw the rpm-version of 
SuSe to the dustbin and install from the source; in fact, I installed the 
binaries, not from the source (*.src.tar.gz). I tried to do the same with 
zlib but both apt-get and yast2 refused to install it claiming that I 
already have the newest version and that uninstalling it is impossible. 
Then I installed also zlib-devel - without knowing whether it was necessary 
- but just in case. Anyway, I think that what _was_ necessary was the 
--enable-zlib flag in configuring python for installation, thank you.

I see that we have similar installation. I too prefer to filter the 
messages on server side - like my Windows spam filter. What is funny is 
that SpamKiller keeps what it classifies as spam in the server and does not 
even show those messages when I am working in Linux environment.  What I 
miss are detailed instructions for getting SpamBayes operating with KMail 
using IMAP protocol, without downloading the spam messages.

         In fact, I have been using Linux for years, because the 
workstations in my former employer were         Linux-workstations - Linus 
Thorvalds comes from the University of Helsinki - but there was 
special      personnel with degree in computer science who took care of the 
workstations. My own     experience started 1961 with autocode, machine 
code and Algol and Elliot 503, but Linux is me   kind of hobby. I miss OS/2 
that was my chief OS for years until I had to update my computer 
and         with it the operating system. I have never really understood 
the most fanatic Linux users as    there are so many important Windows 
programmes - I mean, important to me - and I only have a    wish to get rid 
of Windows some day, so I am testing corresponding Linux 
programmes,    Spambayes among them.

Olli J. Marttila (grey beard, retaired)

******************

At 11.11.2003 17:31, Christopher Jastram wrote:
>Exactly what version of Python are you running?
>
>I had the exact same problem a few weeks ago, and I think I fixed it by 
>downloading and installing the very latest version of Python from source 
>from python.org.  Now, you are installing from source -- is it from RPM 
>source or python.org?
>
>I think the version was 2.3.2, but I'm not sure.  The computer I have it 
>on is at home -- grrrr.
>
>My platform is SuSE 8.2 Professional, connecting to a Cyrus IMAP 
>server.  I was setting sb_imapfilter to run in concert with Evolution, but 
>I abandoned it in favor of server-side filtering (which works quite well, 
>so far).
>
>And, you are absolutely right about many manuals being written for people 
>who do not need them.  I am only now (after 5 years' intensive experience 
>in Linux and FreeBSD) able to sit down with a manual and work out how to 
>use the software without using a HOWTO or tutorial.  It is a very 
>time-consuming process, and I generally print out the manual on paper and 
>make lots of notes.  Same for source code, but I can't print source code 
>out, which sucks (10k pages is no good).
>
>Christopher Jastram


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 11 12:00:02 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov 11 12:00:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Complete Removal
In-Reply-To: <3F9F889800381C78@mta4.fibertel.com.ar> (added
	bypostmaster@fibertel.com.ar)
Message-ID: <E1AJbsi-0001c1-0v@mail.python.org>

Ricardo Basualdo wrote:
> So, how can I remove it completely and stop the Icons of Spam Bayes
> to keep showing in Outlook?

The SpamBayes uninstall program doesn't have access to Outlook to delete
the toolbar, so you'll have to do so manually.  Just right-click your
toolbar and select Customize.  Then highlight SpamBayes and click
Delete.  That should be all there is to it.

> PD: I read all your FAQ and other notes and there's nothing
specifically
> addressing this issue.

Yes, this is probably a good candidate for adding to the FAQ.  I'll see
if I can find time to write something up and submit it for
consideration.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 11 12:05:13 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov 11 12:05:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Complete Removal
In-Reply-To: <3F9F889800381C78@mta4.fibertel.com.ar> (added
	bypostmaster@fibertel.com.ar)
Message-ID: <E1AJbxc-0004kB-7w@mail.python.org>

Ricardo Basualdo wrote:
> So, how can I remove it completely and stop the Icons of Spam Bayes
> to keep showing in Outlook?

The SpamBayes uninstall program doesn't have access to Outlook to delete
the toolbar, so you'll have to do so manually.  Just right-click your
toolbar and select Customize.  Then highlight SpamBayes and click
Delete.  That should be all there is to it.

> PD: I read all your FAQ and other notes and there's nothing
specifically
> addressing this issue.

Yes, this is probably a good candidate for adding to the FAQ.  I'll see
if I can find time to write something up and submit it for
consideration.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Tue Nov 11 14:48:52 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Tue Nov 11 14:48:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIEILHAAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAAELMFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

[Seth Goodman]
> > but I've heard that empirical tests show that too large a database
> > decreases accuracy.
[Tim Peters]
>
> I saw no evidence of that when I ran mass tests, where tens of
> thousands of
> each kind were trained on.  To the contrary, the more training, the better
> the results, although a graph of performance versus training size looked
> more logarithmic than anything else (IOW, you hit a point of diminishing
> returns quickly).  Also, that was on a fixed set of messages.  The
> characteristics of live data may well be different, since spam and ham do
> change over time.  That's one argument in favor of expiring old
> data.  OTOH,
> I have correspondents I hear from no more than once or twice per year, and
> if I tossed the rare samples from them out of my ham training set, some of
> them would have a hard time getting scored as ham the next time
> they wrote.
> Lots of tradeoffs.
>

Here's the post where I got the idea that large training sets are bad.  No
one disputed this when it was posted, so I mistook it for fact.

[Seth Goodman]
> > From: Seth Goodman
> > Subject: [Spambayes] optimal training ratio of spam/ham
> >
> > Is there an optimal ratio of spam to ham for a training set?

[Ryan Malayter]
>Yes, there is: 1-to-1

[Seth Goodman]
> > Is there an optimal total corpus size for training?

[Ryan Malayter]
> Not really, but evidence seems to suggest that a thousand or messages in
> seems to work well. However, 10,000 or more messages seems to decrease
> the capture rates somewhat.



[Tim Peters]
> I suggest you wait until you have a real problem before trying to
> solve it.
> Part of "intuition is a poor guide" is that lots of solutions
> turn out to be
> unnecessary <wink>.

I certainly agree and have no desire to rush in and break something that
works.  My suggestion was based on the above post, not from any observations
of my own.  If you can think of something useful for me to do to help out
the SpamBayes effort, please point me in that direction.


[Tim Peters]
> SpamBayes is written 100% in Python.  Since you know C, you'd find the
> Python tutorial easy going, and would be doing interesting things in the
> language the same day you start learning it.


Fair enough.  Could you point me to the tutorial you mentioned?

Seth Goodman

   Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply

   Spambots: please disregard the above



From richie at entrian.com  Tue Nov 11 14:59:47 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue Nov 11 15:00:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAAELMFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIEILHAAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
	<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAAELMFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <cqf2rvo21ugd0n04ht7kdrjoi2nfnlmn5h@4ax.com>


[Seth]
> Could you point me to the tutorial you mentioned?

Tim probably meant http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tut.html

http://diveintopython.org/ also comes highly recommended.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Tue Nov 11 15:00:31 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Tue Nov 11 15:00:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <E1AJIVh-0001QU-De@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIELMFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> Seth Goodman wrote:
> > However, if empirical evidence tells
> > you to keep the database size limited, an important step would be for
> > the program to do this in a reasonable way, whatever that is.  One
> > other Bayesian spam program (K9) sets separate limits on the number
> > of spam and ham, trains on every message and deletes the oldest
> > message when a new on comes in.  This achieves whatever spam/ham
> > balance you want without regard to start date.
>
> In K9, the limits you're talking about only control how many complete
> messages of each type are stored in cache for future *re-training*.
> They do not affect the contents of the actual training database.  K9
> does not currently do any aging of the training data, although I believe
> it has been discussed in that context as well.
>
> In the training database, both K9 and SpamBayes store only a list of
> tokens with counts of how many times each has been seen in spam and in
> ham.  No other information is stored about the original message that the
> token was seen in.  The most effective way of aging out tokens would
> seem to be to keep track of the date that each token was last seen, and
> set a threshold that says if a token has not been seen in n days then
> remove it from the training data.  Unfortunately, this adds a
> significant amount of size to the training database as well as
> increasing the amount of work to be done when classifying a message
> (thus decreasing the performance).
>
> --
> Kenny Pitt

Well, it does appear that K9 actually stores two complete message corpuses:
one for spam and one for ham.  K9 also has a command called "Organize",
which moves messages between corpuses after you do any reclassification.
The reason that they give in their instructions for keeping both message
corpuses around is to allow you to retrain from scratch, should you need to
in the future.  I'm not suggesting you do the same, unless you have some
other purpose.  This would be one way to age out entire messages instead of
individual tokens, but from other responses in this thread, that might not
be a good thing at all.


Seth Goodman

  Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply

  Spambots: please disregard the above


From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Tue Nov 11 15:05:52 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Tue Nov 11 15:05:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <cqf2rvo21ugd0n04ht7kdrjoi2nfnlmn5h@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAAELNFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richie Hindle [mailto:richie@entrian.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:00 PM
> To: sethg@GoodmanAssociates.com; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
> 
> 
> 
> [Seth]
> > Could you point me to the tutorial you mentioned?
> 
> Tim probably meant http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tut.html
> 
> http://diveintopython.org/ also comes highly recommended.
> 
> -- 
> Richie Hindle
> richie@entrian.com
> 

Thanks very much, Richie.


Seth Goodman

  Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply

  Spambots: please disregard the above

From Mark.Wolfgram at plexus.com  Tue Nov 11 16:05:15 2003
From: Mark.Wolfgram at plexus.com (Mark Wolfgram)
Date: Tue Nov 11 16:05:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Retrieve a deleted/noted SPAM email
Message-ID: <8779A067212B474293557E47366A353A0459E53C@neen-mail-005.na.plexus.com>

I accidentally hit the "Delete as SPAM" button and I now need to retrieve
the email.  How can I do that?
 
thanks,
Mark Wolfgram 
Sales Support Manager 
Plexus Corp. 
55 Jewelers Park Drive 
PO Box 156 
Neenah, WI 54957-0156 
phone: 920-751-3202 
fax: 920-751-5395 
e-mail: mark.wolfgram@plexus.com 
www.plexus.com 

From rmalayter at bai.org  Tue Nov 11 16:54:18 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Tue Nov 11 16:54:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C383F@cliff.bai.org>

> From: Seth Goodman
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries

> [Seth Goodman]
> > > Is there an optimal total corpus size for training?
> 
> [Ryan Malayter]
> > Not really, but evidence seems to suggest that a thousand 
> or messages in
> > seems to work well. However, 10,000 or more messages seems 
> to decrease
> > the capture rates somewhat.

I don't remember exactly where I read that rule-of-thumb, but I recall
it came from this list a wile back.

I did some searching through the list archives, and came up with a dew
messages that mentioned the 10,000 number as a threshold of sorts.
Perhaps there are just diminishing (or no) increases in accuracy above
this point, and accuracy doesn't actually get worse.

Here's the list:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-November/001705.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-November/001752.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2002-October/000997.html


From brett at realestate-school.com  Tue Nov 11 17:13:43 2003
From: brett at realestate-school.com (Brett Brewer)
Date: Tue Nov 11 17:12:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible feature request and PHP question
Message-ID: <OLEMINANCBLHMFLCAPAEMEKGDCAA.brett@realestate-school.com>

To whom it may concern,
I LOVE spambayes and really appreciate the fact that this is an open-source
package. Thanks very much! I also have 2 questions:

1. have you considered implementing the ideas presented in the Paul Graham
article on spam filters that fight back: http://www.paulgraham.com/ffb.html

2. Do you think you python code could be translated to PHP? I don't know
Python, but I know the hell out of PHP and I wonder how hard it would be to
translate so that the source could be modified my the millions of PHP
programmers out there. I know there's an add-on for PHP that will let you
write windows apps, but apparently it's not very efficient. Any thoughts on
this?

Thanks,
Brett Brewer



From skip at pobox.com  Tue Nov 11 17:28:47 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Nov 11 17:28:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] possible feature request and PHP question
In-Reply-To: <OLEMINANCBLHMFLCAPAEMEKGDCAA.brett@realestate-school.com>
References: <OLEMINANCBLHMFLCAPAEMEKGDCAA.brett@realestate-school.com>
Message-ID: <16305.25247.271337.547221@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Brett> 1. have you considered implementing the ideas presented in the
    Brett>    Paul Graham article on spam filters that fight back:
    Brett>    http://www.paulgraham.com/ffb.html

Yes, that has been tried.  Richard Jowsey's stuff is mentioned on the SB
website: 

    http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/related.html

    Brett> 2. Do you think you python code could be translated to PHP? I
    Brett>    don't know Python, but I know the hell out of PHP and I wonder
    Brett>    how hard it would be to translate so that the source could be
    Brett>    modified my the millions of PHP programmers out there. I know
    Brett>    there's an add-on for PHP that will let you write windows
    Brett>    apps, but apparently it's not very efficient. Any thoughts on
    Brett>    this?

I suppose you could translate it to PHP.  This is probably the wrong group
to ask about that though, since those of us here who write programs mostly
write in Python.

Rather than effectively forking the SpamBayes code into Python and PHP
versions, your time might be better spent learning Python.  Looking at just
the .py files in the SpamBayes CVS tree I see over 150 files with a total of
about 40,000 lines (well-commented code in general, but still a *lot* of
Python).  That includes code for a number of different SpamBayes
applications (proxy servers for POP3 and IMAP, Outlook plugin, Unix-y filter
stuff, etc) and lots of code to support testing changes to the system.  That
doesn't even begin to scratch the surface, because SpamBayes makes heavy use
of a lot of stuff in the standard Python library, including the email
package, the new sets module, and the config file parser, just to name a
few.

Skip


From sgandenberger at cincinnati-test.com  Tue Nov 11 17:32:21 2003
From: sgandenberger at cincinnati-test.com (Scott J. Gandenberger)
Date: Tue Nov 11 17:32:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility
Message-ID: <C1B67284D708D3118A9E00A0C9245D16013BC11D@ctsnt>

I have a user that has SpamBayes Outlook Plug-in installed.  He recently
bought a new Axim PDA from Dell which came with a copy of Outlook 2003.
Shortly after installing Outlook 2003 which replaced his Outlook 2000,
SpamBayes stopped working.  Is the current SpamBayes Outlook plug-in Outlook
2003 compatible?  If it is, can you tell me why after uninstalling and
re-installing SpamBayes, the SpamBayes toolbar buttons will not work?

We have been using SpamBayes Outlook Plug-in for about 3 months on about 5
machines without a single false positive.  It has been a great time saver
for us.  

Thanks,

Scott
Scott Gandenberger
IS Manager
Cincinnati Test Systems, Inc.


From hank at marinar.com  Tue Nov 11 17:48:52 2003
From: hank at marinar.com (hank@marinar.com)
Date: Tue Nov 11 17:48:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] notate_subject
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29B6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C939@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29B6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <20031111224852.GE18670@hank.marinar.com>

On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 07:52:36PM +1300, Tony Meyer wrote:
> """
> *** hammie.py   Mon Oct 20 19:51:31 2003
> --- hammie2.py  Mon Oct 20 19:47:20 2003
> ***************
> *** 116,121 ****
> --- 116,125 ----
>           else:
>               is_spam = False
>               disp = options["Headers", "header_unsure_string"]
> +         if disp in options["Headers", "notate_subject"]:
> +             subj = msg["Subject"]
> +             del msg["Subject"]
> +             msg["Subject"] = "%s %s" % (disp, subj)
>           if train:
>               self.train(msg, is_spam, True)
>           disp += ("; %."+str(options["Headers",
> "header_score_digits"])+"f") % Prob
> """

First delve into Python, but here goes.  I by no means mean to
nitpick, but it would be very nice to see the Prob score in the
Subject as well.  I couldn't get it to work and also look to the
config file for which disp to notate, so I hard coded it to make only
messages classified as 'spam' appear in the subject with the score.
Here is how I do it:


"""
--- hammie.py.orig      Fri Nov  7 09:20:37 2003
+++ hammie.py   Tue Nov 11 17:40:55 2003
@@ -130,6 +130,10 @@
                 disp += " (%d)"%x
         del msg[header]
         msg.add_header(header, disp)
+       if is_spam:
+            subj = msg["Subject"]                                             
+            del msg["Subject"]                                                
+            msg["Subject"] = "[%s] %s" % (disp, subj)             
         if debug:
             disp = self.formatclues(clues)
             del msg[debugheader]
"""


So far, I am VERY happy with how this filter is performing.  I am now
rolling it out to the rest of my clients, and so far it is well
received.

From anthony at interlink.com.au  Tue Nov 11 22:24:43 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Tue Nov 11 22:25:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries 
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAAELMFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <200311120324.hAC3OiTC001445@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Seth Goodman" wrote
> I certainly agree and have no desire to rush in and break something that
> works.  My suggestion was based on the above post, not from any observations
> of my own.  If you can think of something useful for me to do to help out
> the SpamBayes effort, please point me in that direction.

Large training sets were shown to lead to a slight decrease in accuracy, but
we're talking tens of thousands of messages in either direction. It'll be in
the spambayes list archives, back in the dark ages. 

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Nov 11 22:38:05 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Nov 11 22:38:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAAELMFLAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEBBHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Seth Goodman]
> Here's the post where I got the idea that large training sets are
> bad.  No one disputed this when it was posted, so I mistook it for
> fact.

I hope you don't believe everything you get in email <wink>.  Seriously,
there are too many misconceptions about everything on the Web for a sane
person to bother disputing any but the most egregious.

> ...
> I certainly agree and have no desire to rush in and break something
> that works.  My suggestion was based on the above post, not from any
> observations of my own.  If you can think of something useful for me
> to do to help out the SpamBayes effort, please point me in that
> direction.

There you go:

>> I suggest you wait until you have a real problem before trying to
>> solve it.

What *bothers* you about SpamBayes?  What doesn't work right, or what was
too hard to figure out, or what's still too confusing?  What's missing?
Open source is overwhelmingly driven by people scratching their own itches.
You find something *you* want to improve, because your own experience and
judgment says there's something lacking, and then you improve it.  If the
itch is strong enough, nothing can stop you.

Docs always need improving, there's a backlog of mysterious & rare problems
reported against the Outlook addin, and there's a steady trickle of people
looking for a multi-user server-side version of SpamBayes.  If you want the
user community to drive what you do, those are the ones I hear about most
often.  Since this isn't a business, most of us don't have a marketing plan,
or overriding vision, beyond keeping our own inboxes clear of spam.  By the
miracle of open source <wink>, that gets to extend to other peoples' inboxes
too, and we never have to make a change for any artificial reason (it's not
like we're going to get an influx of revenue if we force people to upgrade
...).

The core classification engine (tokenization & scoring) is something many
newcomers wonder about, but those who persist long enough to run actual
tests against their ideas are rare.  The few "new idea" tests reported
against over the last couple months have shown results so weak that they're
hard to distinguish from statistical noise.  I can't remember the last time
testing a change in strategy actually produced a clear winner -- the glory
days there appear to be long gone.  Still, we know we're missing the "white
on white" (more generally, foreground close-to background color) HTML
obfuscation trick, and it would be good to catch that; OTOH, that requires
parsing and semantic analysis a good deal beyond what we're doing now.

>> SpamBayes is written 100% in Python.  Since you know C, you'd find
>> the Python tutorial easy going, and would be doing interesting
>> things in the language the same day you start learning it.

> Fair enough.  Could you point me to the tutorial you mentioned?

Somebody already did (thanks!).  I recommended the Python tutorial that
comes with Python specifically because you have a strong C background.  The
complaint we hear about the Python tutorial most often from Python newcomers
is that it seems to assume you already know C <wink>.  Much of the Python
standard library consists of wrappers around the C library functions you
already know, although often with a twist to squash gratuitous x-platform
differences in behavior.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Nov 11 22:38:06 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Nov 11 22:38:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries 
In-Reply-To: <200311120324.hAC3OiTC001445@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEBBHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Anthony Baxter]
> Large training sets were shown to lead to a slight decrease in
> accuracy, but we're talking tens of thousands of messages in either
> direction. It'll be in the spambayes list archives, back in the dark
> ages.

Was that result unique to you, Anthony?  I ran tens of thousands of
messages, and didn't see that.  Guido ran tens of thousands but didn't keep
testing long enough to report anything.  Who else ran against test sets that
large?  And you always got somewhat different results because you mixed ham
from multiple users, right?


From gautams at aztec.soft.net  Tue Nov 11 23:55:52 2003
From: gautams at aztec.soft.net (Gautam Sabba)
Date: Wed Nov 12 00:00:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Plugin fails to load
Message-ID: <F83B457BE363174B8233DE042A14457001530066@maya.aztec.soft.net>

Hi,

I've installed Spambayes for Outlook XP. I've been using it for a couple of
months now and things were just fine till yesterday. When trying to start up
Outlook I got an error message saying that a "serious error occurred with
spambayes and would I like to disable it". I did and that's the last I saw
of Spambayes :-(. 
I see the plugin listed in the COM Add-ins... menu but it is unchecked.
Checking it and re-starting Outlook doesn't seem to help. It remains
unchecked. I've tried all the tricks on the troubleshooting page but I think
I've hit a wall. Can anyone help me? I also tried deleting the item from COM
Add-ins... Menu, re-adding (pointed to the dll) and checking the newly added
item. This hangs Outlook.
Even after uninstalling, the toolbar remained. I deleted it and
re-installed. Now, I don't see the toolbar anymore and it is not listed in
the toolbar menu.

TIA,
Gautam

From usr7-28hl at xemaps.com  Wed Nov 12 01:54:36 2003
From: usr7-28hl at xemaps.com (Keith Russell)
Date: Wed Nov 12 01:54:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [POP3 Version] Training Failure
Message-ID: <20031111235415.E0DC.USR7-28HL@xemaps.com>

Hi, everyone.

I've recently started getting the following errors when I try to train
using the Web interface:

  Spambayes Web Interface: Home > Review 
500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 453, in found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line 310, in onReview
    targetCorpus.takeMessage(id, sourceCorpus)

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 201, in takeMessage
    self.addMessage(msg)

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 143, in addMessage
    Corpus.Corpus.addMessage(self, message)

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 136, in addMessage
    obs.onAddMessage(message)

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 571, in onAddMessage
    self.train(message)

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 579, in train
    self.bayes.learn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam)

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line 211, in learn
    self._add_msg(wordstream, is_spam)

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line 346, in _add_msg
    self._wordinfoset(word, record)

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 270, in _wordinfoset
    self.db[word] = record.__getstate__()

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__
    self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()

  File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 120, in __setitem__
    self.db[key] = value

DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery')


I thought at first that it was because I had switched from using "net
start pop3proxy" to "python sb_server.py -b" to start SpamBayes. However,
I switched back to using pop3proxy and I'm still getting the errors.

I'm using 1.0a6 under Windows XP Pro and IE 6.0.

Thanks for your help.


From RHavermahl at ielinc.com  Wed Nov 12 08:32:03 2003
From: RHavermahl at ielinc.com (Ray Havermahl)
Date: Wed Nov 12 08:32:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to remove Spambayes completely
Message-ID: <DFCAF9CF926B7943817FD46B3810D8C40667E3@ielexs.IELINC.COM>

 
How do I remove Spambayes from Outlook?  It did not install properly, and I
want to remove it so that I can perform a fresh install.
 

Ray Havermahl 
Engineering/Design 
Independent Engineering Laboratories, inc. 
www.ielinc.com 
Phone   (734) 426-9833 
Fax     (734) 426-9838 

 
From tschill at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 12 08:43:02 2003
From: tschill at earthlink.net (Tom Schill)
Date: Wed Nov 12 08:43:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000
Message-ID: <NCBBKLKAAHFAMFADFGAFEELJDMAA.tschill@earthlink.net>

Since installing Spambayes 0.81, I cannot configure the Outlook Today
screen. Clicking on the 'Customize Outlook Today' simply does nothing. Is
this a known problem?

Regards,
Tom Schill


From Mark.Howells at softoption.com  Wed Nov 12 08:59:00 2003
From: Mark.Howells at softoption.com (Mark Howells)
Date: Wed Nov 12 09:00:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000
Message-ID: <5846CF419D2EF5439036CC3126A3A995017B26@SOSERVER1.softoption.local>

Not something I have ever done ... but it does appear to be broken on my system too.  I'm not going to lose a lot of sleep over it tho.

Regards

Mark Howells


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Schill [mailto:tschill@earthlink.net]
> Sent: 12 November 2003 13:43
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000
> 
> 
> Since installing Spambayes 0.81, I cannot configure the Outlook Today
> screen. Clicking on the 'Customize Outlook Today' simply does 
> nothing. Is
> this a known problem?
> 
> Regards,
> Tom Schill
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
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From rickm at wtainc.com  Wed Nov 12 09:09:00 2003
From: rickm at wtainc.com (Rick R. Monnin)
Date: Wed Nov 12 09:09:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes just stopped working
Message-ID: <000001c3a926$8b369f50$7101010a@rickmlap>

Greetings.

I have been using SpamBayes for some time now and it has saved me a great
deal of time.  Thanks!  However, after installing Microsoft hot fix KB824145
yesterday, SpamBayes no longer functions.  When I click on the SpamBayes
icon to bring up the configuration page, nothing happens.  Also spam is no
longer filtered.  I tried uninstalling/reinstalling, but it seems that
Outlook doesn't even see SpamBayes any longer as it is no longer listed in
the add-on manager.  In fact after reinstalling, the SpamBayes icon toolbar
is missing as well.  Please help.

I am using Windows XP Sp1, version .81 of SpamBayes, with Outlook 2002.
This is all that is listed in the log files:

Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin 
Registration complete.

What I am doing wrong?

Thanks.

Rick Monnin



From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Wed Nov 12 09:21:54 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Wed Nov 12 09:21:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Follow-up on trying to use spambayes-1.0a7
In-Reply-To: <3FAA5CB0.8000509@simlog.com>
References: <3FA96901.3080404@simlog.com>
	<5vsiqv0d97em3ain6gnlv926hjm5p10p7s@4ax.com>
	<3FAA5CB0.8000509@simlog.com>
Message-ID: <3FB24202.7050802@videotron.ca>

Hi,

I was trying to install Spambayes 1.0a7 and I was getting this error 
message:

     500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 453, 
in found_terminator
   getattr(plugin, name)(**params)
 File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\UserInterface.py", line 
684, in onChangeopts
   self.reReadOptions()
 File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line 530, 
in reReadOptions
   state = self.state_recreator()
 File "C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Scripts\SB_SER~1.PY", line 736, in 
_recreateState
   prepare(state)
 File "C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Scripts\SB_SER~1.PY", line 752, in 
prepare
   state.createWorkers()
 File "C:\Devtools\Python\PYTHON~1.2\Scripts\SB_SER~1.PY", line 623, in 
createWorkers
   self.bayes = storage.open_storage(filename, self.useDB)
 File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", line 677, 
in open_storage
   return klass(data_source_name)
 File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", line 162, 
in __init__
   self.load()
 File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\storage.py", line 187, 
in load
   self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
 File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", line 
60, in open
   return f(db_name, mode)
 File "c:\Devtools\spambayes\spambayes\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", line 
20, in open_dbhash
   return bsddb.hashopen(*args)
error: (22, 'Invalid argument')


I solved my problem with PYTHONPATH and using the python I want (moving 
order of the directories in my path variable).
and I was still getting the error.


I was looking in the dmstorage.py and I saw that
def open_dbhash(*args):
    """Open a bsddb hash.  Don't use this on Windows, unless Python 2.3 or
    greater is used, in which case bsddb3 is actually named bsddb."""

I was using Python-2.2.2 on windows oups
I upgraded to Python-2.3.2 and everything is fine.

I think we should have a nice message saying "DON'T DO THAT. 
UPGRADE...." instead of an exception


Remi

P.S, Thanks to all who helped me on this.


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 09:28:27 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Nov 12 09:28:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [POP3 Version] Training Failure
In-Reply-To: <20031111235415.E0DC.USR7-28HL@xemaps.com>
Message-ID: <E1AJvzF-0005PR-0W@mail.python.org>

Keith Russell wrote:
> Hi, everyone.
> 
> I've recently started getting the following errors when I try to train
> using the Web interface:
> 
> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run
> database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') 
> 
> 
> I thought at first that it was because I had switched from using "net
> start pop3proxy" to "python sb_server.py -b" to start SpamBayes.
> However, 
> I switched back to using pop3proxy and I'm still getting the errors.
> 
> I'm using 1.0a6 under Windows XP Pro and IE 6.0.

This is a known problem currently being tracked in bug #807217 (see this
url, which will probably wrap:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=807217&group_id
=61702&atid=498103)

This has been a difficult problem to track down as noone seems able to
come up with a consistent way to reproduce it.  Do you remember doing
anything like closing your browser or moving to a different page while
SpamBayes was doing training?  One report has suggested that this might
cause the problem, but it appears that there may be other scenarios as
well.

It is unlikely, although possible, that the change in the way you start
SpamBayes had something to do with the problem.  We do know that once
you get into this state, it won't go away on it's own since it has
basically corrupted a portion of your training database.  You may be
able to get around the problem by getting rid of your
"message_info_database.db" file and letting SpamBayes recreate it.  This
seems to be the file most often responsible for the error.  I suggest
just moving the file to a backup directory instead of deleting it until
you know for sure if it clears things up.  Unless you have changed your
configuration, the file should be located in a directory like
"C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\SpamBayes\Proxy".

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From ASalomon at leviton.com  Wed Nov 12 09:34:58 2003
From: ASalomon at leviton.com (Salomon, Allyn)
Date: Wed Nov 12 09:35:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CA530B23E143B84C87E08CF7D91F9597112E29@w2lnex3.leviton.inc>

I am using Mac OS9. Is there a way to use the Bayesian filter on Outlook on my machine? If yes, are there directions for the setup of the solution you recommend?

Allyn Salomon
Leviton Manufacturing Co., Inc.
Marketing Communications
*718-281-6665
*718-281-6252 
*asalomon@leviton.com


From wsy at merl.com  Wed Nov 12 09:46:43 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Wed Nov 12 09:47:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEBBHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEBBHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200311121446.hACEkhs30918@localhost.localdomain>


   From: "Tim Peters" <tim.one@comcast.net>

   [Anthony Baxter]
   > Large training sets were shown to lead to a slight decrease in
   > accuracy, but we're talking tens of thousands of messages in either
   > direction. It'll be in the spambayes list archives, back in the dark
   > ages.

   Was that result unique to you, Anthony?  I ran tens of thousands of
   messages, and didn't see that.  Guido ran tens of thousands but didn't keep
   testing long enough to report anything.  Who else ran against test sets that
   large?  And you always got somewhat different results because you mixed ham
   from multiple users, right?

I ran some specific tests to verify or refute this, and in the case where
you allow the database/hashfile/whatever to grow without bound, there's
very little impact on accuracy between TOE (Train Only Errors) and TEFT
(Train Every Thing).

The accuracy loss happens when you limit the maximum size of your
database.  You then have to start throwing away stuff from the
database; the problem of "how to remember what you can afford to
forget" becomes a major issue.

That may well be the source of the legend- it's not that learning
it is bad, but it's the forgetting to make room for other things
that's the bad part.

	-Bill Yerazunis

From ljenkins at imtco.com  Wed Nov 12 10:14:44 2003
From: ljenkins at imtco.com (Lyle Jenkins)
Date: Wed Nov 12 10:11:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New User Questions - Login Window / Slow Startup
Message-ID: <001f01c3a92f$b43cdaf0$9001a8c0@Triplewood.imtco.com>

I started using SpamBayes on Monday. I am running version .81 with Windows
2000 SP3 and Outlook 200 SR-1 9.0.0.3821. It is working VERY well at
catching spam.


Issue 1: On Tuesday, when I started up Outlook a Login Window with testuser
as the User ID came up. I can click on "cancel" to continue. Is a password
required? How can I set my own User Id and password? How can I eliminate the
window?

Issue 2: Each time I startup Outlook it seems to take longer. Does SpamBayes
examine all email in my Inbox every time Outlook starts? Should I move all
my mail out of the Inbox to other folders?

                   Lyle L. Jenkins
                    IT Coordinator
 Integrated Marketing Technologies, Inc.
PH: 330.225.3550 x2405 FX: 330.225.4605
            Email: LJenkins@imtco.com
From gruetzmacher at ais-dresden.de  Wed Nov 12 10:50:30 2003
From: gruetzmacher at ais-dresden.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Gr=FCtzmacher=2C_Lukas=22?=)
Date: Wed Nov 12 10:50:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: Re: index.cgi redirection
Message-ID: <08C94E00610F2E43A406811D00880C9737D0D6@exchserv.ais>

Hi Spambayes gurus,
 
I'm using SpamBayes Outlook Plugin since a few weeks.
I'm subscribed on the webtool list (bugzilla).
 
Even I have trained SpamBayes with many (over 100) mails from this list as good the most of them are identified as "possible spam". I'm currently not able to understand why.
 
1) Can you explain me what parts of the Spam Clues are calculated to reach the 0.386739 (below) for the mail ? (I could not found any description in the documentation !?)
2) Is it a problem of SpamBayes or of the list or of my configuration ?
 
My SpamBayes Version is 0.81. I'm using Outlook 2000.
If you need more info please drop me a note.
 
Thanks a lot in adcance,
Lukas
 

Spam Score: 39% (0.386739)


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Is there a howto somewhere i can reference.  My CGI skills are a little

wanting.  Thanks.



"Gervase Markham" <gerv@mozilla.org> wrote in message

news:botgg5$gu43@ripley.netscape.com...

> Tony Tay wrote:

>

> > What do i have to do to make sure the "i think you are looking for

> > index.cgi" does not show and users are show index.html.tmpl instead.

>

> Set up your webserver such that index.cgi is a valid name for an index

> page, and then remove index.html.

>

> Gerv

>





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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>&gt; &gt; What do i have to do to make sure the &quot;i think you are looking for</FONT>



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From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Nov 12 11:13:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: Re: index.cgi redirection
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Gr?tzmacher, Lukas wrote:
> Even I have trained SpamBayes with many (over 100) mails from this
> list as good the most of them are identified as "possible spam". I'm
> currently not able to understand why.  
> 
> 1) Can you explain me what parts of the Spam Clues are calculated to
> reach the 0.386739 (below) for the mail ? (I could not found any
> description in the documentation !?) 2) Is it a problem of SpamBayes
> or of the list or of my configuration ?  
> 
> Spam Score: 39% (0.386739)
> 
> 
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> 'header:Return-Path:1'              0.653197          888    135
> 'header:Message-ID:1'               0.656727          738    114
> 'to:no real name:2**0'              0.679622          677    116
> 'header:Received:3'                 0.812182          236     83

How many total hams and spams have you trained on?  The clues I left
above particularly stood out to me because you are getting relatively
high spam probabilities even though the ham counts are much higher than
the spam counts.  This usually indicates that you have unbalanced
training data where you have a lot more messages of one type than the
other.  In this case, I would guess several thousand hams vs. only a
couple hundred spams.

Unbalanced training data can cause accuracy problems, and in particular
can make it difficult for additional training to overcome the effects of
words that appear in both ham and spam.  All probabilities are based on
ratios, not absolute numbers.  For a given word, the raw ham ratio is
the number of times the word has been seen in a ham message divided by
the total number of ham messages that have been trained.  The raw spam
ratio is computed the same way, and then the two ratios are combined to
form the spamprob for that word.  If you have trained on 2000 ham
messages, then a word that has appeared 100 times would have a raw ham
score of 0.05.  If you have only trained on 200 spam messages then it
only takes 10 occurences of the word in spam to get the same 0.05 score.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From gruetzmacher at ais-dresden.de  Wed Nov 12 11:27:34 2003
From: gruetzmacher at ais-dresden.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Gr=FCtzmacher=2C_Lukas=22?=)
Date: Wed Nov 12 11:27:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: Re: index.cgi redirection
Message-ID: <08C94E00610F2E43A406811D00880C9705A5D0@exchserv.ais>

The SpamBayes Manager reports the training status as about 1600 ham and 135 spam mails, even I think I had more spam mails.

Do I understand you right: Because I have more ham then spam mails my training becomes unbalanced ?

Lukas

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenny Pitt [mailto:kennypitt@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:13 PM
> To: Gr?tzmacher, Lukas; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: Re: index.cgi redirection
> 
> 
> Gr?tzmacher, Lukas wrote:
> > Even I have trained SpamBayes with many (over 100) mails from this
> > list as good the most of them are identified as "possible spam". I'm
> > currently not able to understand why.  
> > 
> > 1) Can you explain me what parts of the Spam Clues are calculated to
> > reach the 0.386739 (below) for the mail ? (I could not found any
> > description in the documentation !?) 2) Is it a problem of SpamBayes
> > or of the list or of my configuration ?  
> > 
> > Spam Score: 39% (0.386739)
> > 
> > 
> > word                                spamprob         #ham  #spam
> > 'proto:http'                        0.614138          989    127
> > 'can'                               0.61691           415     54
> > 'are'                               0.631922          418     58
> > 'you'                               0.63923           601     86
> > 'header:Date:1'                     0.647151          912    135
> > 'header:From:1'                     0.647151          912    135
> > 'header:Return-Path:1'              0.653197          888    135
> > 'header:Message-ID:1'               0.656727          738    114
> > 'to:no real name:2**0'              0.679622          677    116
> > 'header:Received:3'                 0.812182          236     83
> 
> How many total hams and spams have you trained on?  The clues I left
> above particularly stood out to me because you are getting relatively
> high spam probabilities even though the ham counts are much 
> higher than
> the spam counts.  This usually indicates that you have unbalanced
> training data where you have a lot more messages of one type than the
> other.  In this case, I would guess several thousand hams vs. only a
> couple hundred spams.
> 
> Unbalanced training data can cause accuracy problems, and in 
> particular
> can make it difficult for additional training to overcome the 
> effects of
> words that appear in both ham and spam.  All probabilities 
> are based on
> ratios, not absolute numbers.  For a given word, the raw ham ratio is
> the number of times the word has been seen in a ham message divided by
> the total number of ham messages that have been trained.  The raw spam
> ratio is computed the same way, and then the two ratios are 
> combined to
> form the spamprob for that word.  If you have trained on 2000 ham
> messages, then a word that has appeared 100 times would have a raw ham
> score of 0.05.  If you have only trained on 200 spam messages then it
> only takes 10 occurences of the word in spam to get the same 
> 0.05 score.
> 
> -- 
> Kenny Pitt
> 
> 

From richie at entrian.com  Wed Nov 12 11:33:53 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Wed Nov 12 11:34:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CA530B23E143B84C87E08CF7D91F9597112E29@w2lnex3.leviton.inc>
References: <CA530B23E143B84C87E08CF7D91F9597112E29@w2lnex3.leviton.inc>
Message-ID: <tsn4rvoapoihfjpbbgvcq49l03uv967ed7@4ax.com>


[Allyn]
> I am using Mac OS9. Is there a way to use the Bayesian filter
> on Outlook on my machine? If yes, are there directions for the
> setup of the solution you recommend?

Yes, you can run SpamBayes on MacOS 9.  You can't use the Outlook plugin,
but you can use the POP3 proxy or the IMAP filter (depending on which
protocol you use to collect your email).

Instructions are in the README:

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/README.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 12:00:35 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Nov 12 12:01:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: Re: index.cgi redirection
In-Reply-To: <08C94E00610F2E43A406811D00880C9705A5D0@exchserv.ais>
Message-ID: <E1AJyMU-0001Ej-Bh@mail.python.org>

Gr?tzmacher, Lukas wrote:
> The SpamBayes Manager reports the training status as about 1600 ham
> and 135 spam mails, even I think I had more spam mails. 
> 
> Do I understand you right: Because I have more ham then spam mails my
> training becomes unbalanced ? 

That's correct.  In this case, the best solution is probably to train on
more spam messages.  You can do this from the Training tab in SpamBayes
Manager.  Select one or more directories containing spam messages that
you've saved (save some for a while if you haven't already been keeping
them) and don't select any folders for ham messages.  Make sure you turn
off the "Rebuild entire database" option and then start training.  If
necessary, you can repeat this several times as you collect additional
spam messages.  Your goal should be to get close to equal numbers of ham
and spam.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From m0davis at pacbell.net  Wed Nov 12 12:32:43 2003
From: m0davis at pacbell.net (Martin Stone Davis)
Date: Wed Nov 12 12:33:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't start pop3proxy_service alpha 7
Message-ID: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org>

I'm using alpha 7 under Windows XP Pro SP1.  Until recently, I was using 
alpha 6, and I managed to have sb_server.py working semi-okay for me. 
Now, I've upgraded to alpha 7, and I get the following error (see 
below).  Note that a very similar error occurs whether I use sb_server, 
pop3proxy_service, or pop3proxy_tray.

C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts>pop3proxy_service.py install
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\pop3proxy_service.py", line 
82, in ?
     import sb_server
   File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_server.py", line 100, in ?
     import spambayes.message
   File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", 
line 200,
in ?
     msginfoDB = MessageInfoPickle(message_info_db_name)
   File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", 
line 134,
in __init__
     self.load()
   File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", 
line 146,
in load
     self.db = pickle.load(fp)
   File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 1390, in load
     return Unpickler(file).load()
   File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 872, in load
     dispatch[key](self)
KeyError: '\x00'


Please help!
-Martin



From milt at necam.com  Wed Nov 12 12:52:06 2003
From: milt at necam.com (Atkinson, Milt)
Date: Wed Nov 12 12:52:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000
Message-ID: <A16B67259CBB2945BC94C5C8818662700911B3@irvingmail3.necam.prv>

Might be just a coincidence, but did you just do a IE update? ... See this
... http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=820575 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Schill [mailto:tschill@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:43 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000

Since installing Spambayes 0.81, I cannot configure the Outlook Today
screen. Clicking on the 'Customize Outlook Today' simply does nothing. Is
this a known problem?

Regards,
Tom Schill


_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
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From sourceforge at rodland.no  Wed Nov 12 13:15:09 2003
From: sourceforge at rodland.no (Fredrik Rodland)
Date: Wed Nov 12 13:15:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000
In-Reply-To: <5846CF419D2EF5439036CC3126A3A995017B26@SOSERVER1.softoption.local>
Message-ID: <OLEKJBLGLGDHBDLHGIINEENAJIAA.sourceforge@rodland.no>

this is _not_broken on my system

outlook 2000, cvs version of spambayes 0.81 - updated today.



F


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Mark Howells
> Sent: 12. november 2003 14:59
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000
>
>
> Not something I have ever done ... but it does appear to be
> broken on my system too.  I'm not going to lose a lot of sleep
> over it tho.
>
> Regards
>
> Mark Howells
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Schill [mailto:tschill@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: 12 November 2003 13:43
> > To: spambayes@python.org
> > Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000
> >
> >
> > Since installing Spambayes 0.81, I cannot configure the Outlook Today
> > screen. Clicking on the 'Customize Outlook Today' simply does
> > nothing. Is
> > this a known problem?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom Schill
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Spambayes@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
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From milt at necam.com  Wed Nov 12 08:51:10 2003
From: milt at necam.com (Atkinson, Milt)
Date: Wed Nov 12 13:50:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000
Message-ID: <A16B67259CBB2945BC94C5C8818662700911A5@irvingmail3.necam.prv>

Might be just a coincidence, but did you just do a IE update? ... See this
... http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=820575 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Schill [mailto:tschill@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:43 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2000

Since installing Spambayes 0.81, I cannot configure the Outlook Today
screen. Clicking on the 'Customize Outlook Today' simply does nothing. Is
this a known problem?

Regards,
Tom Schill


_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
From ljenkins at imtco.com  Wed Nov 12 15:39:09 2003
From: ljenkins at imtco.com (Lyle Jenkins)
Date: Wed Nov 12 15:35:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Login Screen Not a Spambayes Problem
Message-ID: <004701c3a95d$066179d0$9001a8c0@Triplewood.imtco.com>

I am sorry about my Issue # 1 in my post to this list from earlier today.
The password window that popped up was caused by my system admin installing
an exchange4linux client on my machine.
                   Lyle L. Jenkins
                    IT Coordinator
 Integrated Marketing Technologies, Inc.
PH: 330.225.3550 x2405 FX: 330.225.4605
            Email: LJenkins@imtco.com

From milt at necam.com  Wed Nov 12 16:12:30 2003
From: milt at necam.com (Atkinson, Milt)
Date: Wed Nov 12 16:12:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 98
Message-ID: <A16B67259CBB2945BC94C5C8818662700911B7@irvingmail3.necam.prv>

 
Some Outlook 98 users are complaining the Tool Bar for Spambayes is not
available after they install and launch Outlook. Any ideas what might be
causing this?

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 16:34:24 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Nov 12 16:34:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 98
In-Reply-To: <A16B67259CBB2945BC94C5C8818662700911B7@irvingmail3.necam.prv>
Message-ID: <E1AK2dS-0006ye-PS@mail.python.org>

Atkinson, Milt wrote:
> Some Outlook 98 users are complaining the Tool Bar for Spambayes is
> not available after they install and launch Outlook. Any ideas what
> might be causing this?

Unfortunately, Outlook 98 is not supported.  You must use Outlook
2000/XP/2003 to use the Outlook plugin.

If you are using POP3 or IMAP mail, then you should be able to set up
sb_server or sb_imapfilter to work with Outlook 98.  Currently, there is
no simple installer for these like there is for the Outlook plugin, so a
good bit of manual setup would be required.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From eric at benefitservicesgroup.com  Wed Nov 12 16:49:23 2003
From: eric at benefitservicesgroup.com (Eric C. Vogel)
Date: Wed Nov 12 16:46:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 98
Message-ID: <D35834BE343E3E46BA58E73BF60777CB471C51@bsg.bsg.local>

I highly suggest upgrading to Outlook 2003, you will see a HUGH
improvement. There were some nice touches in XP/2002. The minute or SBS
2003 Media Kit is avalible at our reseller, I am ordering it on the
spot. I cannot wait to get Outlook 2003 (1 licience for every licence of
SBS 2003 and 1 FrontPage 2003) I am rolling out Outlook 2003 and
installing FrontPage 2003 on my PC. The server can wait durring the
holiday when the boss is gone or in Janurary since I have to do a wipe
and re-install on the server. (NT 4 had a 4 Gig limitation on the first
parition. (SBS 4.x) and I upgraded to SBS 2000. So if I want a bigger
partition and it is pretty full, I have to wipe. :(  )

Eric Vogel      


-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
On Behalf Of Kenny Pitt
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:34 PM
To: 'Atkinson, Milt'; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 98


Atkinson, Milt wrote:
> Some Outlook 98 users are complaining the Tool Bar for Spambayes is 
> not available after they install and launch Outlook. Any ideas what 
> might be causing this?

Unfortunately, Outlook 98 is not supported.  You must use Outlook
2000/XP/2003 to use the Outlook plugin.

If you are using POP3 or IMAP mail, then you should be able to set up
sb_server or sb_imapfilter to work with Outlook 98.  Currently, there is
no simple installer for these like there is for the Outlook plugin, so a
good bit of manual setup would be required.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Nov 12 17:38:40 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Nov 12 17:38:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 98
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3898@cliff.bai.org>

[Eric Vogel]
> I highly suggest upgrading to Outlook 2003, you will see a HUGH
> improvement. 

Especially in the area of offline use. The "cached mode" is light-years
ahead of any of the other offline synchronization options I've seen on
any mail system. If you disconnect from the server, outlook simply
doesn't care. When you reconnect, it synchronizes all of your folders in
the background as CPU and network bandwidth permit, so it doesn't bug
you. Very nice.

Spambayes doesn't deal completely with the intermittent timing of cached
mode, so I have to manually run my filters every once it a while.
Hopefully that will be fixed in the near future, but even if it is not,
cached mode is worth it.

[Eric Vogel]
> (NT 4 had a 4 Gig limitation on the first partition...it is 
> pretty full, I have to wipe :(

This is even more off-topic, but NT4 actually didn't have such a
limitation. It was just that the NT4 boot disk/CD setup program had a 4
GB, FAT-only limitation. If you formatted your hard disk on another NT
machine, you could put it in a new machine and NT4 could install onto
it. I had an 8 GB NTFS boot partition on one of my old NT4 computers. Of
course MS didn't document this anywhere.

More significantly, you don't have to wipe your boot partition. You can
use Ghost or Partition Magic to move your installation to a new array or
set of disks, even converting it to NTFS and a new cluster size along
the way if you haven't done so already. A lot less hassle than a
complete reinstall.

If you want to talk about this process further, please mail me off-list.

Regards,
	Ryan

From listas at loquecreas.com  Wed Nov 12 20:03:28 2003
From: listas at loquecreas.com (Pablo Vieira)
Date: Wed Nov 12 20:04:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Hello and Spanish version
Message-ID: <E1AK5tp-00051x-EO@hostalia03.hostalia.com>

Hi,

 

I'm new to the list. I just wanted to say hi and ask you guys if there is a
Spanish version of Spambayes for Outlook. If not, I'd like to help in the
translation.

 

Best regards,

 

Pablo

From ks at obsideon.com  Thu Nov 13 03:10:44 2003
From: ks at obsideon.com (Kirit Saelensminde)
Date: Thu Nov 13 03:11:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Great program
Message-ID: <E80D4A338A77454DB42168D353B7BC1E046419@wilson.bkk.net.fsltech.com>

 
It's a great program. Can't wait until it learns a bit more (just started
this morning and didn't prep anything, but then I get 1400 spams a week so
it shouldn't take long).
 
Your Outlook integration instructions state that it isn't possible to add
the Spam column to all folders at once. This kindof depends on how people
use Outlook, but certainly on Outlook 2000 it's quite easy.
 
Whilst in the Inbox (or any of the other folders that you want to show the
Spam column for) go to View -> Current View -> Define Views... From here
select the view that you want to add the column to (the usual view will be
either Message or Messages with Autopreview) and then choose Modify and
Fields. Add the Spam column and it will be added to the view definition.
 
Any folder that uses this view will then automatically gain the Spam column.
Any folders that use a customised view can be done as per your current
instructions.
 
 
Thanks for a great program,
 
 

Kirit S?lensminde - Obsideon Limited
http://www.obsideon.com/ <http://www.obsideon.com/>  

ICQ: 10009115
MSN Messenger: ks (at) obsideon.com 	
 
From stuartf at the-i-junction.com  Thu Nov 13 04:00:42 2003
From: stuartf at the-i-junction.com (Stuart Forsyth)
Date: Thu Nov 13 04:02:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] bounce?
Message-ID: <002a01c3a9c4$9ecf3650$4282010a@theijunction.icelogic.co.za>

Is there a feature to bounce spam in spambayes?

 

Regards

 

Stuart


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From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 09:15:25 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu Nov 13 09:15:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] bounce?
In-Reply-To: <002a01c3a9c4$9ecf3650$4282010a@theijunction.icelogic.co.za>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEIMHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Stuart Forsyth]
> Is there a feature to bounce spam in spambayes?

No, and there won't be.  The sender address in spam is almost always forged.
At best, the forged address doesn't exist, so your attempt to bounce it
bounces right back to you, and now the original piece of spam has clogged
the net with two additional useless pieces of email.  At worst, the forged
address is a real one, and your bounce ends up in the inbox of an innocent
third party.  You really can't appreciate the pain this can cause until some
spammer forges stuartf@the-i-junction.com as the sender address (want to
wake up to find 10,000 bounces in your inbox, every day?  along with
assorted random threats because outraged victims believe *you're* the one
sending farm porm spam to their kids?  etc).

BTW, some systems with this (mis)feature forge the sender address on the
bounces it generates, so that *you* don't see the consequences of bouncing
to a bogus or innocent address.  That's even worse -- then you can talk
yourself into thinking you're doing good, when at best you're increasing the
spam-related load on the net, and at worst are harrassing innocent victims.
The one thing a bounce-back gimmick can't do is bother the spammers.


From stuartf at the-i-junction.com  Thu Nov 13 09:19:33 2003
From: stuartf at the-i-junction.com (Stuart Forsyth)
Date: Thu Nov 13 09:23:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] bounce?
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEIMHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004501c3a9f1$29b69570$4282010a@theijunction.icelogic.co.za>

Thanks for putting it all in perspective for me ;-)
>From now on I'll avoid that bounce like the plague.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.one@comcast.net] 
Sent: 13 November 2003 04:15 PM
To: Stuart Forsyth; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] bounce?

[Stuart Forsyth]
> Is there a feature to bounce spam in spambayes?

No, and there won't be.  The sender address in spam is almost always
forged.
At best, the forged address doesn't exist, so your attempt to bounce it
bounces right back to you, and now the original piece of spam has
clogged
the net with two additional useless pieces of email.  At worst, the
forged
address is a real one, and your bounce ends up in the inbox of an
innocent
third party.  You really can't appreciate the pain this can cause until
some
spammer forges stuartf@the-i-junction.com as the sender address (want to
wake up to find 10,000 bounces in your inbox, every day?  along with
assorted random threats because outraged victims believe *you're* the
one
sending farm porm spam to their kids?  etc).

BTW, some systems with this (mis)feature forge the sender address on the
bounces it generates, so that *you* don't see the consequences of
bouncing
to a bogus or innocent address.  That's even worse -- then you can talk
yourself into thinking you're doing good, when at best you're increasing
the
spam-related load on the net, and at worst are harrassing innocent
victims.
The one thing a bounce-back gimmick can't do is bother the spammers.

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From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Thu Nov 13 11:07:58 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Thu Nov 13 11:08:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Great program
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357B54FB1F@SPIKE.city>

Before you make that "quite easy" change, you'd better remember to scan every folder with Spambayes. If you don't, my experience is that Outlook will reject the Spam column, give you an error message, and turn the Spam column off in that view. To get it back, you'll have to edit the view again. You did try this procedure before you recommended it, right?  ;^)

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirit Saelensminde [mailto:ks@obsideon.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:11 AM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Great program
> 
> 
>  
> It's a great program. Can't wait until it learns a bit more 
> (just started
> this morning and didn't prep anything, but then I get 1400 
> spams a week so
> it shouldn't take long).
>  
> Your Outlook integration instructions state that it isn't 
> possible to add
> the Spam column to all folders at once. This kindof depends 
> on how people
> use Outlook, but certainly on Outlook 2000 it's quite easy.
>  
> Whilst in the Inbox (or any of the other folders that you 
> want to show the
> Spam column for) go to View -> Current View -> Define 
> Views... From here
> select the view that you want to add the column to (the usual 
> view will be
> either Message or Messages with Autopreview) and then choose 
> Modify and
> Fields. Add the Spam column and it will be added to the view 
> definition.
>  
> Any folder that uses this view will then automatically gain 
> the Spam column.
> Any folders that use a customised view can be done as per your current
> instructions.
>  
>  
> Thanks for a great program,
>  
>  
> 
> Kirit S?lensminde - Obsideon Limited
> http://www.obsideon.com/ <http://www.obsideon.com/>  
> 
> ICQ: 10009115
> MSN Messenger: ks (at) obsideon.com 	
>  
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 
From PWalsh at Yantra.com  Thu Nov 13 12:16:01 2003
From: PWalsh at Yantra.com (Pamela Walsh)
Date: Thu Nov 13 12:17:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I am a new spambayes user
Message-ID: <B9BF9321CC254844B0A7D7252D0145DF025F5466@PONYEXPRESS.yantra.com>

I have been a HUGE fan for about 3 weeks, training has gone well, and spams down to less than 10/day.
Something happened over the weekend (?)
Since Monday morning I still train every night but get the following message:
Found 0 spam, 0 unsure, and 0 good ones (3050 errors)
 
How do I get back to training w/good results?
I am a pc novice, and have 0 technical skills/lingo.
PLEASE HELP
Pamela Walsh
Human Resources
Visa / Benefits Specialist
T:  978 513 6117
F:  978 513 6016
 
Yantra Corporation
Solutions for Fulfillment Excellence
www.yantra.com <http://www.yantra.com/> 

 

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From arc39 at cam.ac.uk  Thu Nov 13 12:47:12 2003
From: arc39 at cam.ac.uk (Adrian Cybriwsky)
Date: Thu Nov 13 12:47:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
Message-ID: <000601c3aa0e$2aec2910$50f56f83@Cc642499b>

Sorry, I didn't see this addressed anywhere else.
 
After months of being a very happy spambayes user (when 98% good
filtering was the norm) spambayes now seems to correctly filter less
than 50% of my spam.
 
The difference seems to be cleverly-written spam which SB's tokenizer
doesn't seem to find any tokens for.  In other words, the email comes as
one big blob with the usual variation of disguising ip address and so
forth using escape codes.  Spambayes continues to give emails for the
"Penis Patch" scores of about 7-9% despite the fact that I've nominally
trained it on over 2000 of them (Yes, I get 200+ "penis patch" emails
alone a day).  
 
Apologies for sending this here, but I could not find a better place to
send this.  I seem to have the latest ver of SB running on XP/Office.

Keep up the great work! If you need samples of the spam, just email me.
 
Cheers,
 
Adrian
 
From dreed at srdcorp.com  Thu Nov 13 13:07:34 2003
From: dreed at srdcorp.com (Reed, David)
Date: Thu Nov 13 13:11:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
Message-ID: <4C542552EF434E43B2F2572854A73CBD6F70BF@corp-mail1.srdcorp.com>

Adrian,

If they email you, will you get it, or will it get filtered as spam? 

<GRIN>...

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Cybriwsky [mailto:arc39@cam.ac.uk]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:47 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.


Sorry, I didn't see this addressed anywhere else.
 
After months of being a very happy spambayes user (when 98% good
filtering was the norm) spambayes now seems to correctly filter less
than 50% of my spam.
 
The difference seems to be cleverly-written spam which SB's tokenizer
doesn't seem to find any tokens for.  In other words, the email comes as
one big blob with the usual variation of disguising ip address and so
forth using escape codes.  Spambayes continues to give emails for the
"Penis Patch" scores of about 7-9% despite the fact that I've nominally
trained it on over 2000 of them (Yes, I get 200+ "penis patch" emails
alone a day).  
 
Apologies for sending this here, but I could not find a better place to
send this.  I seem to have the latest ver of SB running on XP/Office.

Keep up the great work! If you need samples of the spam, just email me.
 
Cheers,
 
Adrian
 
_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 13:11:02 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Thu Nov 13 13:12:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I am a new spambayes user
In-Reply-To: <B9BF9321CC254844B0A7D7252D0145DF025F5466@PONYEXPRESS.yantra.com>
Message-ID: <E1AKLwC-0001RZ-TT@mail.python.org>

Pamela Walsh wrote:
> Since Monday morning I still train every night but get the following
> message: 
> Found 0 spam, 0 unsure, and 0 good ones (3050 errors)
> 
> How do I get back to training w/good results?
> I am a pc novice, and have 0 technical skills/lingo.

I'll assume that you're running the Outlook plugin.  I don't remember
hearing about this problem before, so we'll need a little extra
information in order to diagnose it.  I'll try to walk you through the
required steps.

First, open SpamBayes Manager, go to the Advanced tab, and click the
Diagnostics button.  In the box labeled "Log file verbosity", change the
value to 3 and then close out of the dialog and SpamBayes Manager.

Now perform whatever training operation caused the error.  If the error
doesn't happen immediately, you'll have to wait until the next time you
see the error to perform the remaining steps.

Go back to the Diagnostics dialog as above.  Change the "Log file
verbosity" back to 0, and then click "View log".  This will bring up the
Notepad application with a log file containing lots of info that will be
useful to us.  Use the "File|Save As" menu option to save a copy of the
file.  Name it something easy to remember like "sb_log.txt", and put it
in a directory that you will be able to find again later.  You can now
close Notepad, the Diagnostics dialog, and SpamBayes Manager.

Finally, send another e-mail to the list and attach the log file that
you just saved.  In that e-mail, please also include the following
information:

  * A description of how you went about performing the training.
  * A description of the exact problem as you saw it while recording the
log file.
  * Your operating system version (Windows 98, Windows XP, etc)
  * Your Outlook version (Outlook 2000, etc.)
  * The SpamBayes version information from the General tab in SpamBayes
Manager.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From m0davis at pacbell.net  Thu Nov 13 13:50:07 2003
From: m0davis at pacbell.net (Martin Stone Davis)
Date: Thu Nov 13 13:49:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Can't start pop3proxy_service alpha 7
In-Reply-To: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <bp0jnd$4i8$1@sea.gmane.org>

I'm still having this problem and no one responded, so I'm posting again.

Martin Stone Davis wrote:
> I'm using alpha 7 under Windows XP Pro SP1.  Until recently, I was using 
> alpha 6, and I managed to have sb_server.py working semi-okay for me. 
> Now, I've upgraded to alpha 7, and I get the following error (see 
> below).  Note that a very similar error occurs whether I use sb_server, 
> pop3proxy_service, or pop3proxy_tray.
> 
> C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts>pop3proxy_service.py install
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\pop3proxy_service.py", line 
> 82, in ?
>     import sb_server
>   File "C:\Program Files\Python23\Scripts\sb_server.py", line 100, in ?
>     import spambayes.message
>   File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", 
> line 200,
> in ?
>     msginfoDB = MessageInfoPickle(message_info_db_name)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", 
> line 134,
> in __init__
>     self.load()
>   File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", 
> line 146,
> in load
>     self.db = pickle.load(fp)
>   File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 1390, in load
>     return Unpickler(file).load()
>   File "C:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\pickle.py", line 872, in load
>     dispatch[key](self)
> KeyError: '\x00'
> 
> 
> Please help!
> -Martin
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 



From jimkent at pe.net  Thu Nov 13 14:05:21 2003
From: jimkent at pe.net (Jim Kent)
Date: Thu Nov 13 14:00:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam problem
Message-ID: <000601c3aa19$1a319ff0$de5b2640@JIM>

Suddenly, whenever I try to "Delete As Spam" a message in my e-mail Inbox in
MS Outlook, I get a message "Invalid Configuration. You must configure the
Spam Folder." 

 

I don't have the slightest Idea of how to do this. 

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 14:31:49 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Thu Nov 13 14:32:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Delete as Spam problem
In-Reply-To: <000601c3aa19$1a319ff0$de5b2640@JIM>
Message-ID: <E1AKNCS-0000e5-I3@mail.python.org>

Jim Kent wrote:
> Suddenly, whenever I try to "Delete As Spam" a message in my e-mail
> Inbox in MS Outlook, I get a message "Invalid Configuration. You must
> configure the Spam Folder."
> 
> 
> 
> I don't have the slightest Idea of how to do this.

>From the SpamBayes dropdown menu on the toolbar, go to SpamBayes
Manager.  Select the Filtering tab.  In the box labeled Certain Spam,
you should find a Browse button.  When you click Browse, you will see a
list of all of Outlook's folders.  Just select the one that you want
your spam moved to a then click OK.

That should be all there is to it.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From tommy at ilm.com  Thu Nov 13 15:06:01 2003
From: tommy at ilm.com (Tommy Burnette)
Date: Thu Nov 13 15:06:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
Message-ID: <16307.58409.581150.801884@evoke.lucasdigital.com>

Hi Folks,

I've been very happily using spambayes with xemacs & vim for about a
month now.  When the latest version was announced I switched right up
to it, but since then I've noticed a behaviour in sb_mboxtrain.py that
is a bit of a pain. (no idea if this is new or not, I just notcied it
recently).

basically, when sb_mboxtrain.py rewrites the mbox to include its
"X-Spambayes-Trained: ham" lines, it is re-formatting the mail
headers.  This wreaks havoc on the display in vm's summary mode and is
a bit of a pain to fix.  

e.g. this line in a mail header:

X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
	["31722" "Tue" "12" "November" "2002" "15:05:56" "-0800" "Gayle Peterson" "gayle@lucasdigital.com" nil "457" "2003 Holiday Schedule" "^From:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil]
	nil)

is being transformed into this:
	
X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
	["31722" "Tue" "12" "November" "2002" "15:05:56" "-0800" "Gayle
	Peterson" "gayle@lucasdigital.com" nil "457" "2003 Holiday
	Schedule" "^From:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil] nil)

which, while neatly formatted, has introduced newlines into places
like the From name, etc. and makes them display as:

From: Gayle
Peterson  Subject: 2003 Holiday
Schedule

instead of:

From: Gayle Peterson  Subject: 2003 Holiday Schedule

in vm.  is there an option to either make sb_mboxtrain.py not rewrite
the mbox file, or at least make it not re-format when it does?

thanks in advance,


From nanci.lewis at approval4u.com  Thu Nov 13 15:20:45 2003
From: nanci.lewis at approval4u.com (Nanci.Lewis)
Date: Thu Nov 13 15:21:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <NEBBIPFNALAJKIGJJCELEEPIEDAA.nanci.lewis@approval4u.com>

Hi.

I have been seeing the incoming mail envelope icon on the lower right side
of my computer but there is no mail in any of the folders.  Why would this
be?

I didn't see this addressed on the faq's.

Thank you.
Nanci Lewis
Vice President
Coastal Financial
(310) 376-4568 ext. 313
(310) 892-LOAN (5626) cell phone
(310) 372-7668 fax
500 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #301
Manhattan Beach, CA  90266

www.approval4u.com

From Allen.Wyatt at nokia.com  Thu Nov 13 15:24:11 2003
From: Allen.Wyatt at nokia.com (Allen.Wyatt@nokia.com)
Date: Thu Nov 13 15:24:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Out-of-office assistant and SpamBayes
Message-ID: <39AB02E248BA714CA1BD2B109F375A3BC3BEDA@daebe001.americas.nokia.com>

I'll be on vacation in a couple weeks.  Usually, I use Outlook's out-of-office assistant tool to automatically reply to any emails received while on vacation with a "I'm out and will be back on ..." message.  How will SpamBayes interact with the out-of-office assistant settings?  Will anyone who spams me get the reply email saying I'm out of the office, thus being able to verify that my email address is a valid one they should send lots more spam to?

From mtiller at ford.com  Thu Nov 13 15:52:25 2003
From: mtiller at ford.com (Tiller, Michael (M.M.))
Date: Thu Nov 13 15:52:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Out-of-office assistant and SpamBayes
Message-ID: <FD35CB8B26F9534E86D1AC31F401AB3459C44E@na1fcm52.dearborn.ford.com>

Come to think of it, I was out all last week.  Normally when I leave I get
tons of messages when my out of office replies to spam are bounced.  I
didn't get any last week.  Wow, how did SpamBayes do that?!?!?  Another
great feature of SpamBayes!

--
Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen.Wyatt@nokia.com [mailto:Allen.Wyatt@nokia.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:24 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Out-of-office assistant and SpamBayes
> 
> 
> I'll be on vacation in a couple weeks.  Usually, I use 
> Outlook's out-of-office assistant tool to automatically reply 
> to any emails received while on vacation with a "I'm out and 
> will be back on ..." message.  How will SpamBayes interact 
> with the out-of-office assistant settings?  Will anyone who 
> spams me get the reply email saying I'm out of the office, 
> thus being able to verify that my email address is a valid 
> one they should send lots more spam to?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From listas at loquecreas.com  Thu Nov 13 15:54:59 2003
From: listas at loquecreas.com (Pablo Vieira)
Date: Thu Nov 13 15:55:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I18N and L10N
Message-ID: <E1AKOV2-0004sE-3i@hostalia03.hostalia.com>

Hi again,

 

I want to insist on the internationalisation and localisation of Spambayes.

 

Do you guys have any plans about this? Any easy way to translate the
software (such as a text file containing entries in the menus, dialog boxes,
help files, etc.?). I'm mostly interested in the Outlook version, but will
happily collaborate on the other variants as well.

 

My mother tongue is Spanish.

 

Regards,

 

Pablo

From cweisbrod at cogeco.ca  Thu Nov 13 16:01:23 2003
From: cweisbrod at cogeco.ca (cweisbrod@cogeco.ca)
Date: Thu Nov 13 16:01:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
Message-ID: <63340-220031141321123308@M2W081.mail2web.com>

Hi there,

I've recently started using SpamBayes and have had great success in finally
avoiding unsolicited email. The only problem I have with SpamBayes is the
significant overhead required to get the code running. Installing the
Python binaries first and then having a process that consumes 10-15 Mb of
runtime memory is less than optimal.

I am a software engineer with 9+ years of experience and I fully understand
the need for a project like this to be written in a platform-independant
manner. However, I would really like to write a scaled-down version of this
for the Windows platform. I'm quite certain that I can write a
self-installing/uninstalling service that implements a POP/SMTP proxy,
performs the statistical processing, and exposes user interfaces for
training and configuring. I have a mathematics and physics degree, so the
statistics stuff shouldn't be too difficult to implement. The entire
implementation would be contained in a single executable file much less
than 1 Mb in size (I don't use MFC). Of course this executable would have
to create its' own config files, spambayes.messageinfo.db, hammie.db, etc.
That's where I need some information.

The best implementation would make use of existing spambayes.messageinfo.db
and hammie.db files so that any existing training is not lost. However, I
need to know how these files are organized. Short of studying the Python
source for answers, is there any specific documentation on the organization
of these files? If not, would somebody involved with this project be
willing to provide me with this information?

If I can get this type of information, I would be happy to make my upcoming
development efforts available to the SpamBayes project. I suspect many
people would really appreciate the option I'm suggesting.

Best regards,

Clint Weisbrod.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .



From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 16:27:19 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Thu Nov 13 16:28:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
In-Reply-To: <63340-220031141321123308@M2W081.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <E1AKP0S-0001b8-DZ@mail.python.org>

cweisbrod@cogeco.ca wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I've recently started using SpamBayes and have had great success in
> finally avoiding unsolicited email. The only problem I have with
> SpamBayes is the significant overhead required to get the code
> running. Installing the Python binaries first and then having a
> process that consumes 10-15 Mb of runtime memory is less than optimal.
> 
> I am a software engineer with 9+ years of experience and I fully
> understand the need for a project like this to be written in a
> platform-independant manner. However, I would really like to write a
> scaled-down version of this for the Windows platform. I'm quite
> certain that I can write a self-installing/uninstalling service that
> implements a POP/SMTP proxy, performs the statistical processing, and
> exposes user interfaces for training and configuring. I have a
> mathematics and physics degree, so the statistics stuff shouldn't be
> too difficult to implement. The entire implementation would be
> contained in a single executable file much less than 1 Mb in size (I
> don't use MFC). Of course this executable would have to create its'
> own config files, spambayes.messageinfo.db, hammie.db, etc. That's
> where I need some information. 

If this is the type of implementation you're looking for, you might be
better served by the K9 filter here: http://keir.net/k9.html.  It is not
open source but it is freeware, and the executable is only about 70k and
uses very little memory.

> The best implementation would make use of existing
> spambayes.messageinfo.db and hammie.db files so that any existing
> training is not lost. However, I need to know how these files are
> organized. Short of studying the Python source for answers, is there
> any specific documentation on the organization of these files? If
> not, would somebody involved with this project be willing to provide
> me with this information? 

The .db files use the Berkeley DB engine from Sleepy Cat, and IIRC the
actual data records are stored in a python-specific format.  Your best
bet would be to use the sb_dbexpimp script to export your training data
into a flat file, from which it would be easy to parse and convert to
any format you want.

Be careful if you try to convert the data for a different Bayesian
engine because SpamBayes adds special tokens based on the structure of
the message that probably wouldn't be understood by a different engine.
K9, for example, also adds special tokens to the training data but in a
different format and with different meanings.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From richie at entrian.com  Thu Nov 13 17:07:49 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Thu Nov 13 17:08:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Can't start pop3proxy_service alpha 7
In-Reply-To: <bp0jnd$4i8$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org> <bp0jnd$4i8$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <hov7rv4s75gbrb4989egc6p01it8ge3l16@4ax.com>


[Martin]
> I'm still having this problem and no one responded, so I'm posting again.

I have it on my list of things to look at, but it's a long list.  8-)

In the short term, if you're not using IMAP filter, you can probably work
around it by moving aside the spambayes.messageinfo.db file.  Please don't
delete the file - we might ask for a copy of it at some point, to try to
track down the underlying cause.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Thu Nov 13 18:02:39 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Thu Nov 13 18:03:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
In-Reply-To: <E1AKP0S-0001b8-DZ@mail.python.org>
References: <E1AKP0S-0001b8-DZ@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3FB40D8F.70109@rbwconsulting.com>

Kenny Pitt wrote:

>cweisbrod@cogeco.ca wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>I've recently started using SpamBayes and have had great success in
>>finally avoiding unsolicited email. The only problem I have with
>>SpamBayes is the significant overhead required to get the code
>>running. Installing the Python binaries first and then having a
>>process that consumes 10-15 Mb of runtime memory is less than optimal.
>>
>>    
>>
>If this is the type of implementation you're looking for, you might be
>better served by the K9 filter here: http://keir.net/k9.html.  It is not
>open source but it is freeware, and the executable is only about 70k and
>uses very little memory.
>
>  
>

I just downloaded and installed K9. The exe is small but it's memory 
footprint on my system is  4388K right after startup.
Spambayes pop3proxy_tray footprint is 7236K after its been running all day.

>>The best implementation would make use of existing
>>spambayes.messageinfo.db and hammie.db files so that any existing
>>training is not lost. However, I need to know how these files are
>>organized. Short of studying the Python source for answers, is there
>>any specific documentation on the organization of these files? If
>>not, would somebody involved with this project be willing to provide
>>me with this information? 
>>    
>>
>
>The .db files use the Berkeley DB engine from Sleepy Cat, and IIRC the
>actual data records are stored in a python-specific format.  Your best
>bet would be to use the sb_dbexpimp script to export your training data
>into a flat file, from which it would be easy to parse and convert to
>any format you want.
>  
>
The format depends on which db is install on your system. But it is most 
likely Berkeley DB.

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From m0davis at pacbell.net  Thu Nov 13 18:10:01 2003
From: m0davis at pacbell.net (Martin Stone Davis)
Date: Thu Nov 13 18:09:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Can't start pop3proxy_service alpha 7
In-Reply-To: <hov7rv4s75gbrb4989egc6p01it8ge3l16@4ax.com>
References: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org> <bp0jnd$4i8$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<hov7rv4s75gbrb4989egc6p01it8ge3l16@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <bp12uo$upf$1@sea.gmane.org>

Richie Hindle wrote:

> [Martin]
> 
>>I'm still having this problem and no one responded, so I'm posting again.
> 
> 
> I have it on my list of things to look at, but it's a long list.  8-)
> 
> In the short term, if you're not using IMAP filter, you can probably work
> around it by moving aside the spambayes.messageinfo.db file.  Please don't
> delete the file - we might ask for a copy of it at some point, to try to
> track down the underlying cause.
> 
Okay, I'll be patient.

By the way, I *did* try to do a completely clean install.  I actually 
already deleted (sorry!) hammie.db, spambayes.messageinfo.db, along with 
the ini file, and maybe some other things.

I then did setup.py build, setup.py install, and then tried sb_server.py 
install.  That's where it failed.

I'll try uninstalling python, deleting everything, and starting over. 
I'll post again with the results.

-Martin



From m0davis at pacbell.net  Thu Nov 13 18:24:41 2003
From: m0davis at pacbell.net (Martin Stone Davis)
Date: Thu Nov 13 18:39:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Can't start pop3proxy_service alpha 7
In-Reply-To: <bp12uo$upf$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<bp0jnd$4i8$1@sea.gmane.org>	<hov7rv4s75gbrb4989egc6p01it8ge3l16@4ax.com>
	<bp12uo$upf$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <bp13q8$c2$1@sea.gmane.org>

Martin Stone Davis wrote:

> I'll try uninstalling python, deleting everything, and starting over. 
> I'll post again with the results.
> 

Results: same thing :(

-Martin



From anumber1 at swbell.net  Thu Nov 13 23:23:50 2003
From: anumber1 at swbell.net (Rob Anderson)
Date: Thu Nov 13 23:23:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
Message-ID: <NGEOKEAMKEAGPHPCCBDCMECLDCAA.anumber1@swbell.net>

I am having the same problem. I have 311 ham and 1093 spam in my training
database yet SB only catches about 50% of the incoming spam.

I read somewhere that people were bragging about 98% of their spam being
filter by SB.  I am using the defaults of 15% and 90%.

I've been using the Outlook plug-in v0.81 for a couple months now with
Outlook 2000 on a WinXP Home machine.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.


Thanks.

Rob Anderson

From david at rebirthing.co.nz  Thu Nov 13 23:45:56 2003
From: david at rebirthing.co.nz (David McNab)
Date: Thu Nov 13 23:48:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <NGEOKEAMKEAGPHPCCBDCMECLDCAA.anumber1@swbell.net>
References: <NGEOKEAMKEAGPHPCCBDCMECLDCAA.anumber1@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <3FB45E04.4060902@rebirthing.co.nz>

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Rob Anderson wrote:
| I am having the same problem. I have 311 ham and 1093 spam in my training
| database yet SB only catches about 50% of the incoming spam.

Same with me.

I knew it was only a matter of time before the spammers started
installing/training some bayesian filters, and learning how to compose
their messages to distort the histogram and pass as 'ham'.

Didn't expect it to happen *quite* so quickly though.

| Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Maybe time to switch to a challenge/response system - one that when
receiving messages, sends a 'challenge' email to the sender, asking them
to reply. Once replies are received, senders end up on the whitelist,
and their emails are delivered without further challenge.

There are various commercial host-based services, such as
www.spamarrest.com. Also, software such as Active Spam Killer -
www.paganini.net/ask.

I'd suggest switching to challenge/response based filtering. That'll
keep the spammers at bay for a few months.

It's an arms race:
* users install pattern-based spam filters
~   * spammers learn to circumvent the monitored patterns, eg
~     with words like 'v1@grA'.
* users install bayesian filters
~   * spammers learn how to manipulate the histograms
* users install text-based challenge/response
~   * spammers install parsers/heuristics to auto-reply
* users install image/audio-based challenge/response
~   * spammers install neural-net OCR software
* users install software with more sophisticated Turing Test
~   * spammers upgrade their AI software
...

Cheers
David
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From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 01:55:57 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov 14 01:55:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <NGEOKEAMKEAGPHPCCBDCMECLDCAA.anumber1@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEOAHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Rob Anderson]
> I am having the same problem. I have 311 ham and 1093 spam

Start by training on more ham.

> in my training database yet SB only catches about 50% of the incoming
> spam.

That's indeed atrocious.

> I read somewhere that people were bragging about 98% of their spam
> being filter by SB.

That should be achievable.

> I am using the defaults of 15% and 90%.

For a reason?  That is, if all the spam it doesn't "catch" shows up in the
Uncertain folder with a score of 89%, you don't get any sympathy for
refusing to reduce your spam cutoff to 88% <wink>.

> I've been using the Outlook plug-in v0.81 for a couple months now with
> Outlook 2000 on a WinXP Home machine.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Pick a low-scoring spam you're sure any spam filter *should* have nailed.
Use your mouse to select

    SpamBayes ->
        Show spam clues for current message

Mail the email message that generates to the list (not to me directly,
please -- I can't promise to make time to look at it; someone here should be
able to, though).


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 02:18:27 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov 14 02:18:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
In-Reply-To: <63340-220031141321123308@M2W081.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEOBHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[cweisbrod@cogeco.ca]
> I've recently started using SpamBayes and have had great success in
> finally avoiding unsolicited email. The only problem I have with
> SpamBayes is the significant overhead required to get the code
> running. Installing the Python binaries first and then having a
> process that consumes 10-15 Mb of runtime memory is less than optimal.

Are you running on a TRS-80 <wink>?

> I am a software engineer with 9+ years of experience and I fully
> understand the need for a project like this to be written in a
> platform-independant manner. However, I would really like to write a
> scaled-down version of this for the Windows platform. I'm quite
> certain that I can write a self-installing/uninstalling service that
> implements a POP/SMTP proxy, performs the statistical processing, and
> exposes user interfaces for training and configuring. I have a
> mathematics and physics degree, so the statistics stuff shouldn't be
> too difficult to implement. The entire implementation would be
> contained in a single executable file much less than 1 Mb in size (I
> don't use MFC).

Neither do we, at least not in this project.

> Of course this executable would have to create its own config files,
> spambayes.messageinfo.db, hammie.db, etc. That's where I need some
> information.

Others have addressed that, and it's complicated.  I'll warn you in advance
that the memory and processing power don't go into the statistics, though:
the memory mainly goes into caching a potentially huge number of token
statistics records in memory to make it bearably fast.  If you dig up each
token from an on-disk database each time you see it, it probably won't run
fast enough for high-volume users to tolerate.  You might overcome that by
writing your own database implementation, specialized to the particular data
formats this thing needs to access, one not burdened (as is the Sleepycat
DB) by needing to pay to be all things to all people.

You should also know that the actual scoring is a tiny part of the code, and
quite straightforward.  Parsing email, tokenization, dealing with a
gazillion incompatible email systems, and putting up a user-friendly UI are
each harder than the mathematical part, and the code for each dwarfs the
total code for all the computational parts.

BTW, despite the use of a memory cache on top of the Sleepycat DB, the
classifier runs several times faster still if I eliminate Sleepycat entirely
and run the entire database in memory (as one large Python dictionary).  For
a large (but not unreasonably large) token database, that can easily suck up
50MB of RAM just for the dict.

For perspective, I happened to be window-shopping for a new home computer
this week, and even entry-level systems come with 128MB of RAM these days;
I'll probably get at least 4x that much.  50MB is about 10% of that -- it
won't even be worth thinking about idly for me anymore.

Not that there's anything wrong with lean & mean.  It just went out of style
around the time you started your career <wink>.


From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Fri Nov 14 07:33:54 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Fri Nov 14 07:34:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: .db files
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357B0237893C@SPIKE.city>

I hate to rain on your parade, but most people aren't going to care. Modern computers relegate size and speed to secondary considerations, at least in the context we're talking about here. To us, reliability and compatibility are an order of magnitude more important, and specialized development efforts like the one you're proposing go against that grain.

Right now, Spambayes is suffering from too many bugs and too few people to solve them. If you contribute a new piece of optimized code, people may appreciate its efficiency, but it's unlikely that anyone will help you maintain it.

Bob

MIS Department, City of Cambridge
831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139  ?  617-349-4217  ?  fax 617-349-6165


> -----Original Message-----
> From: cweisbrod@cogeco.ca [mailto:cweisbrod@cogeco.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:01 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I've recently started using SpamBayes and have had great 
> success in finally
> avoiding unsolicited email. The only problem I have with 
> SpamBayes is the
> significant overhead required to get the code running. Installing the
> Python binaries first and then having a process that consumes 
> 10-15 Mb of
> runtime memory is less than optimal.
> 
> I am a software engineer with 9+ years of experience and I 
> fully understand
> the need for a project like this to be written in a 
> platform-independant
> manner. However, I would really like to write a scaled-down 
> version of this
> for the Windows platform. I'm quite certain that I can write a
> self-installing/uninstalling service that implements a POP/SMTP proxy,
> performs the statistical processing, and exposes user interfaces for
> training and configuring. I have a mathematics and physics 
> degree, so the
> statistics stuff shouldn't be too difficult to implement. The entire
> implementation would be contained in a single executable file 
> much less
> than 1 Mb in size (I don't use MFC). Of course this 
> executable would have
> to create its' own config files, spambayes.messageinfo.db, 
> hammie.db, etc.
> That's where I need some information.
> 
> The best implementation would make use of existing 
> spambayes.messageinfo.db
> and hammie.db files so that any existing training is not 
> lost. However, I
> need to know how these files are organized. Short of studying 
> the Python
> source for answers, is there any specific documentation on 
> the organization
> of these files? If not, would somebody involved with this project be
> willing to provide me with this information?
> 
> If I can get this type of information, I would be happy to 
> make my upcoming
> development efforts available to the SpamBayes project. I suspect many
> people would really appreciate the option I'm suggesting.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Clint Weisbrod.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> http://mail2web.com/ .
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Fri Nov 14 07:36:18 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Fri Nov 14 07:36:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEOBHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEOBHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3FB4CC42.6060306@videotron.ca>

Hi,


>Not that there's anything wrong with lean & mean.  
>
I hope !


>It just went out of style around the time you started your career <wink>.
>
I will come back in 20 years (like in fashions)

It also depens where you work. I work in simulation and every 
calculation and memory  you can  save  make
your simulator more appealing since  you can do more  with less.    (Do 
you prefer to pay 3000$ for a simulator
you can run on a Current Standard PC or pay 250 000$ for a simulator  
that will do the same thing on a bigger screan) (See www.simlog.com)

Remi



From rmalayter at bai.org  Fri Nov 14 08:36:30 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Fri Nov 14 08:36:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C392A@cliff.bai.org>

> From: Tim Peters

> Not that there's anything wrong with lean & mean. 
> It just went out of style around the time you started 
> your career <wink>.

And there are those (like my boss) who would say that programming "lean
and mean" in straight C without the use of MFC or other easy-to-use
libraries is wasteful of the most expensive resource in the computer
world: the hourly wages of the programmer. 

The reason languages like VB and Java have been so embraced is not
efficiency or elegance, it's their ability to enable rapid application
development. Hardware is cheap (at least since 1990 or so). People are
not. 

Regards,
	Ryan

From wsy at merl.com  Fri Nov 14 09:00:51 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Fri Nov 14 09:01:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <3FB45E04.4060902@rebirthing.co.nz> (message from David McNab on
	Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:45:56 +1300)
References: <NGEOKEAMKEAGPHPCCBDCMECLDCAA.anumber1@swbell.net>
	<3FB45E04.4060902@rebirthing.co.nz>
Message-ID: <200311141400.hAEE0pP07342@localhost.localdomain>


   From: David McNab <david@rebirthing.co.nz>

   Rob Anderson wrote:
   | I am having the same problem. I have 311 ham and 1093 spam in my training
   | database yet SB only catches about 50% of the incoming spam.

   Same with me.

I'd check to see if you're having a configuration problem.

CRM114 is running essentially the same code (ok, maybe a 2x improvement
according to the SB torture-test corpus) and I'm still solidly in
"ivory snow" accuracy.

   Maybe time to switch to a challenge/response system - one that when
   receiving messages, sends a 'challenge' email to the sender, asking them
   to reply. Once replies are received, senders end up on the whitelist,
   and their emails are delivered without further challenge.

See "CAMRAM", which does this only when a Bayesian says "I can't tell
for sure".  

   I'd suggest switching to challenge/response based filtering. That'll
   keep the spammers at bay for a few months.

Except that there's no path back to the spammer for the challenge;
they do their best to cover their tracks as their IP address is the one
thing that can cost them their upstream connectivity.

thus, C/R systems _will_ stop them.

The problem is that C/R will annoy the rest of us.

    -Bill Yerazunis

From dreed at srdcorp.com  Fri Nov 14 09:03:49 2003
From: dreed at srdcorp.com (Reed, David)
Date: Fri Nov 14 09:06:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
Message-ID: <4C542552EF434E43B2F2572854A73CBD6F70CE@corp-mail1.srdcorp.com>

OUCH!!!

(Personally, I prefer lean and mean myself...but then again, I started on the TRS-80's when
I was about 10!)

<GRIN>

>>Not that there's anything wrong with lean & mean.  It just went out of style
>>around the time you started your career <wink>.


_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From dreed at srdcorp.com  Fri Nov 14 09:05:55 2003
From: dreed at srdcorp.com (Reed, David)
Date: Fri Nov 14 09:08:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: .db files
Message-ID: <4C542552EF434E43B2F2572854A73CBD6F70CF@corp-mail1.srdcorp.com>

Much as it distresses me, I have to agree with Bob.

Seems to me the major force in hardware advancement is software gluttoney, however.  :)

But my first OS was the TRS-80 Color DOS and TRS-DOS, so what do I know?  <GRIN>

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Coe, Bob [mailto:rcoe@CambridgeMA.GOV]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:34 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: .db files


I hate to rain on your parade, but most people aren't going to care. Modern computers relegate size and speed to secondary considerations, at least in the context we're talking about here. To us, reliability and compatibility are an order of magnitude more important, and specialized development efforts like the one you're proposing go against that grain.

Right now, Spambayes is suffering from too many bugs and too few people to solve them. If you contribute a new piece of optimized code, people may appreciate its efficiency, but it's unlikely that anyone will help you maintain it.

Bob

MIS Department, City of Cambridge
831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139  ?  617-349-4217  ?  fax 617-349-6165


> -----Original Message-----
> From: cweisbrod@cogeco.ca [mailto:cweisbrod@cogeco.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 4:01 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I've recently started using SpamBayes and have had great 
> success in finally
> avoiding unsolicited email. The only problem I have with 
> SpamBayes is the
> significant overhead required to get the code running. Installing the
> Python binaries first and then having a process that consumes 
> 10-15 Mb of
> runtime memory is less than optimal.
> 
> I am a software engineer with 9+ years of experience and I 
> fully understand
> the need for a project like this to be written in a 
> platform-independant
> manner. However, I would really like to write a scaled-down 
> version of this
> for the Windows platform. I'm quite certain that I can write a
> self-installing/uninstalling service that implements a POP/SMTP proxy,
> performs the statistical processing, and exposes user interfaces for
> training and configuring. I have a mathematics and physics 
> degree, so the
> statistics stuff shouldn't be too difficult to implement. The entire
> implementation would be contained in a single executable file 
> much less
> than 1 Mb in size (I don't use MFC). Of course this 
> executable would have
> to create its' own config files, spambayes.messageinfo.db, 
> hammie.db, etc.
> That's where I need some information.
> 
> The best implementation would make use of existing 
> spambayes.messageinfo.db
> and hammie.db files so that any existing training is not 
> lost. However, I
> need to know how these files are organized. Short of studying 
> the Python
> source for answers, is there any specific documentation on 
> the organization
> of these files? If not, would somebody involved with this project be
> willing to provide me with this information?
> 
> If I can get this type of information, I would be happy to 
> make my upcoming
> development efforts available to the SpamBayes project. I suspect many
> people would really appreciate the option I'm suggesting.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Clint Weisbrod.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> http://mail2web.com/ .
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From bkc at murkworks.com  Fri Nov 14 10:23:30 2003
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Fri Nov 14 09:31:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEOBHBAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <63340-220031141321123308@M2W081.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <3FB4A0C9.22499.40A9831@localhost>

On 14 Nov 2003 at 2:18, Tim Peters wrote:

> Not that there's anything wrong with lean & mean.  It just went out of style
> around the time you started your career <wink>.

Which is  a damn shame, too. 



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc@murkworks.com   (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          (315)268-9812 Fax
http://www.wecanstopspam.org/                   AOL-IM: BKClements


From dhealy at houston.rr.com  Fri Nov 14 09:31:26 2003
From: dhealy at houston.rr.com (dhealy)
Date: Fri Nov 14 09:31:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Lost Spam folder
Message-ID: <NEBBIAENOKOOOEPMKNJHGEBFDIAA.dhealy@houston.rr.com>

I am new to SpamBayes and have created a problem I hope I can fix.

I have accidentally deleted the Spam folder from MS Outlook.  I recreated
the folder, but SpamBayes apparently can't find it.  SpamBayes is apparently
working, I got 28 messages this morning, one in the folder Possible Spam,
three in my inbox, but none in the Spam folder I recreated.

When I look in the Possible Spam folder, select a message, and click Delete
as Spam, the message leaves the Possible Spam folder, but doesn't show up in
the Spam folder.

Is there some way to point SpamBayes to the Spam folder without reinstalling
and retraining?  Before I installed SpamBayes the first time I had saved
2,000 spams for training.  I have since deleted those.

Thanks,

Dan H.
dhealy@houston.rr.com



From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 14 09:38:06 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Nov 14 09:46:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
In-Reply-To: <3FB40D8F.70109@rbwconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E1AKf5f-0003yI-KL@mail.python.org>

Adam Walker wrote:
> Kenny Pitt wrote:
>> If this is the type of implementation you're looking for, you might
>> be better served by the K9 filter here: http://keir.net/k9.html.  It
>> is not open source but it is freeware, and the executable is only
>> about 70k and uses very little memory. 
> 
> I just downloaded and installed K9. The exe is small but it's memory
> footprint on my system is  4388K right after startup.
> Spambayes pop3proxy_tray footprint is 7236K after its been running
> all day. 

My numbers were a little different.  When I first start K9, I get Mem
Usage 3,136K and VM Size 2,744K.  When I first start pop3proxy_tray I
get Mem Usage 9,904K and VM Size 7,368K.  After the first time I
retrieve mail through pop3proxy_tray the memory goes up to Mem Usage
11,268K and VM Size 7,936K.  I don't have any accounts set up to filter
through K9 right now, so can't check that statistic.

A large percentage of the memory used by K9 or SpamBayes is for the
training data, so actual footprint will always depend on how many
messages you have trained.  My current training data has 18,453 good
words and 28,013 spam words in K9.  SpamBayes doesn't display the token
counts, but I have 283 ham messages and 107 spam messages trained.

Personally, I still prefer SpamBayes.  To me, these memory differences
aren't enough to be significant, and being written in a compiled
language (I assume C++ for K9, but don't know for sure) doesn't always
guarantee improved performance.  SpamBayes has always been plenty
efficient for me.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From seant at iname.com  Fri Nov 14 09:54:57 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Fri Nov 14 10:01:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <3FB45E04.4060902@rebirthing.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001501c3aabf$4916c3d0$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

> Rob Anderson wrote:
> | I am having the same problem. I have 311 ham and 1093 spam 
> in my training
> | database yet SB only catches about 50% of the incoming spam.
> 

Here's statistics from a one day run using the out of the box InBoxer stats
as the starting spot. I don't consider a system fully trained until I've
processed
mail with it for about two weeks at these incoming mail rates.

Conditions:
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.bayes.nspam 1176
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.bayes.nham 943
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.config.filter.unsure_threshold 15
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.config.filter.spam_threshold 90

Decisions made initially:
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.config.filter.nham_seen 1141
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.config.filter.nspam_seen 190
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.config.filter.nunsure_seen 91

Decisions made:
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.config.filter.unsure2spam 75
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.config.filter.unsure2ham 16
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.config.filter.nham_retrained 0
DIAGNOSTIC mgr.config.filter.nspam_retrained 5

Very few spam made it into my InBox. Zero, actually.
The 5 spam that were false positives were all one liners from an automated
system.
80% of the unsures were actually spam.

Same Spambayes engine as in 0.81
The differences may be accounted for by:

- Rob get's worse spam than I do. (Seems unlikely, I actively seek out
entertaining spam sources)
- Rob's stats are unbalanced (a lot more spam than ham) (Tim already
suggested that)
- Having generic stats collected by someone else to start with provides a
lot of protection against spam you haven't seen yet 
  (could be, that's why I collect spam)



From glenn.w.hoffman at lmco.com  Fri Nov 14 10:11:39 2003
From: glenn.w.hoffman at lmco.com (Hoffman, Glenn W)
Date: Fri Nov 14 10:11:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes fails to install with error message
	(Windows XP Home Edition
Message-ID: <F30313BAE8F75E4680EFE53E220CE9B802C115A1@EMSS04M12.us.lmco.com>

Me too.

I recently updated from 0.7 to 0.81 of the Outlook plug-in and observed this warning. No ill effects observed from the failure.

I am using Windows 2000 with SP 4. Outlook 2000 SP 3.

Is this just an installer defect, or something more serious?

Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Mike Piff
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:24 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes fails to install with error message
(Windows XP Home Edition

When I run the installer I get a warning box saying that dllRegister service
failed to register xxx.dll.  Does anyone know what this means?  I don't
appear to have a dllregister service!

Mike


From cweisbrod at cogeco.ca  Fri Nov 14 11:09:38 2003
From: cweisbrod at cogeco.ca (cweisbrod@cogeco.ca)
Date: Fri Nov 14 11:09:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
Message-ID: <99610-22003115141693811@M2W049.mail2web.com>

Thanks very much for the input and the warnings. I realize I've been
somewhat naive in my contemplation over the implementation of SpamBayes.
Particularly didn't realize there is so much incompatibility with email
systems. Can you give me an example of some incompatibilities that you have
encountered?

Thanks very much.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Tim Peters tim.one@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:18:27 -0500
To: cweisbrod@cogeco.ca, spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] .db files


[cweisbrod@cogeco.ca]
> I've recently started using SpamBayes and have had great success in
> finally avoiding unsolicited email. The only problem I have with
> SpamBayes is the significant overhead required to get the code
> running. Installing the Python binaries first and then having a
> process that consumes 10-15 Mb of runtime memory is less than optimal.

Are you running on a TRS-80 <wink>?

> I am a software engineer with 9+ years of experience and I fully
> understand the need for a project like this to be written in a
> platform-independant manner. However, I would really like to write a
> scaled-down version of this for the Windows platform. I'm quite
> certain that I can write a self-installing/uninstalling service that
> implements a POP/SMTP proxy, performs the statistical processing, and
> exposes user interfaces for training and configuring. I have a
> mathematics and physics degree, so the statistics stuff shouldn't be
> too difficult to implement. The entire implementation would be
> contained in a single executable file much less than 1 Mb in size (I
> don't use MFC).

Neither do we, at least not in this project.

> Of course this executable would have to create its own config files,
> spambayes.messageinfo.db, hammie.db, etc. That's where I need some
> information.

Others have addressed that, and it's complicated.  I'll warn you in advance
that the memory and processing power don't go into the statistics, though:
the memory mainly goes into caching a potentially huge number of token
statistics records in memory to make it bearably fast.  If you dig up each
token from an on-disk database each time you see it, it probably won't run
fast enough for high-volume users to tolerate.  You might overcome that by
writing your own database implementation, specialized to the particular data
formats this thing needs to access, one not burdened (as is the Sleepycat
DB) by needing to pay to be all things to all people.

You should also know that the actual scoring is a tiny part of the code, and
quite straightforward.  Parsing email, tokenization, dealing with a
gazillion incompatible email systems, and putting up a user-friendly UI are
each harder than the mathematical part, and the code for each dwarfs the
total code for all the computational parts.

BTW, despite the use of a memory cache on top of the Sleepycat DB, the
classifier runs several times faster still if I eliminate Sleepycat entirely
and run the entire database in memory (as one large Python dictionary).  For
a large (but not unreasonably large) token database, that can easily suck up
50MB of RAM just for the dict.

For perspective, I happened to be window-shopping for a new home computer
this week, and even entry-level systems come with 128MB of RAM these days;
I'll probably get at least 4x that much.  50MB is about 10% of that -- it
won't even be worth thinking about idly for me anymore.

Not that there's anything wrong with lean & mean.  It just went out of style
around the time you started your career <wink>.


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From seant at webreply.com  Fri Nov 14 10:40:20 2003
From: seant at webreply.com (Sean True)
Date: Fri Nov 14 12:06:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [spambayes-dev] Code locations in Spambayes Outlook
	plugin
Message-ID: <003501c3aac5$9c9c6400$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

> > (Why I'm doing this: the headers aren't accessible in Outlook except
> > via View|Options, or programmatically. I want an Outlook form that
> > automatically displays the headers, but doing it in Visual Basic
> > Script is problematic because of Outlook's security policies.
> 
> Using MAPI directly appears to sidestep most Outlook whining. 
> At least so
> far.

There are also commercial (if inexpensive) ways to use the Outlook object
model
without the security policy whines: 

http://www.dimastr.com/redemption/

which is free for single machine evaluation, and inexpensive for
distribution.
If I were rewriting the OL plugin from scratch, I'd consider using this. It
allows you
to create shadow objects which have OL object model properties and methods,
and then _it_ does
all the nasty MAPI work to make the security issues go away.

-- Sean

==============
Sean True
Chief Technologist

InBoxer: Intelligent spam filter for Outlook 2000+
Download from www.inboxer.com
If you like it, tell your friends -- if you don't, tell me.



From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 12:09:42 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov 14 12:09:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
In-Reply-To: <99610-22003115141693811@M2W049.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEAFHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[cweisbrod@cogeco.ca]
> Thanks very much for the input and the warnings. I realize I've been
> somewhat naive in my contemplation over the implementation of
> SpamBayes. Particularly didn't realize there is so much
> incompatibility with email systems. Can you give me an example of
> some incompatibilities that you have encountered?

Well, I'm not clear on what you really want to accomplish.  You said

   I would really like to write a scaled-down version of this for the
   Windows platform

The spambayes Outlook addin is overwhelmingly the most popular way to use
spambayes on Windows, so if you want to target that then you have to
reimplement all the code we use to interface with Outlook directly (which is
a much larger pile of code than the classifier proper -- and much harder to
get right (the MS APIs you need to work with are massive and delicate)).

OTOH, if you don't want to replace the Outlook addin, few current
spambayes-on-Windows users will care (the Outlook addin is much easier to
live with than any web-based interface, because the former integrates
directly with normal user Outlook workflow -- it's just another set of
buttons on the Outlook toolbar, and, for the most part, works "all by magic"
after initial setup and training).

If you want to integrate with non-Outlook clients on Windows, they each have
their own ways of dealing with email, and there are several different
formats (some open, some proprietary) in use for storing email.

If you just want to deal with proxies, then you've got POP3 and a large
variety of partially-broken IMAP servers to wrestle with.  If you want the
same functionality in your classifier, you're going to have to write code to
decode email in its full current generality, including character set
conversions, recursive MIME structure, and translating assorted encodings
(spambayes routlnely decodes quoted-printable and base64, but the latter
only when the MIME type of a section is text/*; we also decode numeric
character entities in HTML).  Python comes with libraries for doing all of
that stuff, written by experts in the various fields, and debugged by
thousands of users in real life over a span of years.  This is harder to do
than you'd first believe, because while standards exist covering these
areas, writing software that adheres to those standards is useless in
practice:  too many programs that generate and send email violate too many
of the specified rules, so software trying to make sense of email has to be
extremely forgiving.  You can't know how in advance, though -- you find out
what you need to forgive by seeing real-life email break your code,
iterating until new email stops breaking it.  That's been going on for years
in the Python libraries, and is still in progress (it's a kind of thing that
can never end, as new bugs in email producers and servers keep appearing,
and some of those become popular for non-technical reasons).

It's possible to write a different kind of tokenizer, one that takes the
incoming email bytes at face value, and doesn't try to do any semantic
analysis.  That kind of tokenizer won't break no matter how wildly a piece
of email may violate "the rules" (because you're ignoring all the rules then
too).  Implementation shortcuts like that could save you tens of thousands
of lines of code and months of effort -- but then it gets increasingly
distant from what the current spambayes code does.


From skip at pobox.com  Fri Nov 14 12:18:43 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Nov 14 12:19:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <NGEOKEAMKEAGPHPCCBDCMECLDCAA.anumber1@swbell.net>
References: <NGEOKEAMKEAGPHPCCBDCMECLDCAA.anumber1@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <16309.3699.302897.207278@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Rob> I am having the same problem. I have 311 ham and 1093 spam in my
    Rob> training database yet SB only catches about 50% of the incoming
    Rob> spam.

I would try retraining from scratch.  I'm getting very good results with
just over 100 ham and spam at the moment.

I'm beginning to believe it's not even necessary to train on all unsures or
mistakes.  My mail gets transferred from my server and scored in bunches
every five minutes (24x7) and I get a lot of mail, so I may come in in the
morning and find a dozen unsures in my mailbox (as well as a few hundred
properly classified spams).  I try training on one or two unsure messages,
then recheck the remaining unsures, eliminating any which now score as ham
or spam.  (See below for how I do that.)

I've developed a few seat-of-the-pants training maxims, both from personal
experience and from reading what others have done:

    * Don't be afraid to retrain from scratch.  The system learns quickly.
      Retraining from scratch is often the quickest way to recover from
      training mistakes.

    * Bigger is not always better, no matter what all those enlargement
      messages would have you believe.  A larger database is harder to
      examine for mistakes, and a few mistakes skewed in the same directionn
      may be hard to overcome with correct training.  You'll also reach a
      point where you want to just delete all that spam.  Once you do that,
      you've completely lost the ability to find mistakes.  If you only have
      a few messages in your training database things will be easier to
      manage.

    * Never train on the same message twice.  Using iterative reasoning it's
      easy see you should never train on the same 100 or 1000 times
      either. ;-)

    * Seek balance in your training database.  Similar numbers of ham and
      spam are good.

    * Don't automatically train on all incoming messages.  If you get
      swamped with spam, you will quickly wind up with a training database
      which is wildly out-of-balance.

    * Don't worry about training on every unsure message either.  Some
      messages just aren't amenable to a strict classification.  For
      example, a bounce message from a mail server containing an attached
      spam may be best left untrained.  It contains both strong ham clues
      (all the postmaster gibberish which you would get in a bounce of an
      otherwise valid message) and strong spam clues (the spam message
      itself).  Calling that message as ham or spam is likely to worsen the
      classification of future mail bounces or future similar spam.

My environment is much different than yours, so I don't know how you'd get
the Outlook plugin to score messages again, but if it can do that, a little
judicious checking will probably avoid the need to over-train.  For example,
if there are several unsure messages related to online prescriptions,
training on just one of them as spam may be sufficient to cause the rest to
now score as spam.

For those on Unix-y systems (I use Mac OS X) with access to the CVS
repository, here's what I run to check my unsures:

    sb_filter.py ~/Mail/unsure | python ~/tmp/scan-unsures.py

Where scan-unsures.py is 

    #!/usr/bin/env python

    import sys, re

    sub = msgid = cls = ""

    for line in sys.stdin:
        if line.startswith("From "):
            sub = msgid = cls = ""
        elif line.lower().startswith("subject: "):
            sub = line.strip()
        elif line.lower().startswith("message-id: "):
            msgid = line.strip()
        elif line.lower().startswith("x-spambayes-classification: "):
            cls = line.strip()
            if re.search("unsure", cls) is not None:
                print sub
                print msgid
                print cls
            sub = msgid = cls = ""

You need the latest version of sb_filter.py which I checked in a couple days
ago.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Fri Nov 14 12:26:39 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Nov 14 12:26:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <3FB45E04.4060902@rebirthing.co.nz>
References: <NGEOKEAMKEAGPHPCCBDCMECLDCAA.anumber1@swbell.net>
	<3FB45E04.4060902@rebirthing.co.nz>
Message-ID: <16309.4175.734332.770721@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Rob> I am having the same problem. I have 311 ham and 1093 spam in my
    Rob> training database yet SB only catches about 50% of the incoming
    Rob> spam.

    David> Same with me.

    David> I knew it was only a matter of time before the spammers started
    David> installing/training some bayesian filters, and learning how to
    David> compose their messages to distort the histogram and pass as
    David> 'ham'.

I suspect factors other than "intelligent spammers" (is that an oxymoron?)
are at work.  See my earlier response to Rob's message.  I don't think they
are doing all that good a job of "manipulating the histograms".  They can't
see inside my database.  If they could, they'd probably put a lot of words
in there which are hammy to me.  Since they don't, they're just pissing in
the wind.

As Tim has pointed out many times, at some point the spammers have to make a
sales pitch.  If they want to sell you cars, they either have to mention
that in their message or refer you to a car sales website.  To grab your
initial attention, they have to make the subject more-or-less readable.
Somewhere in there (the text of the subject, the text of the message or URLs
contained in the message) they have to show their hand.  SpamBayes
classifies all that stuff.  We may need to unravel their encoding tricks
more than we do today (I have an experimental latin-1-to-ascii codec to
strip accents and have also experimented with deleting all punctuation from
tokens, for example), but that's not terribly hard to do.

Skip



From mdhpub at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Nov 14 12:31:43 2003
From: mdhpub at blueyonder.co.uk (Mathew Hendry)
Date: Fri Nov 14 12:31:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to tell SpamBayes to check more headers (using MSO
	plugin)
Message-ID: <ECOWS01MV1qdiixjnzi000003a7@smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk>

Is there a way, without hacking the source, to tell SpamBayes to examine
more of the headers in mails? In particular these ones, added by
SpamAssassin and SpamCop Mail:

X-Spam-Level: *********
X-Spam-Status: hits=9.7 tests=ADDR_NUMS_AT_BIGSITE,BIZ_TLD,
	DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,
	MSGID_FROM_MTA_HOTMAIL,USERPASS version=2.60
X-SpamCop-Disposition: Blocked bl.spamcop.net

I had a dig around on spambayes.org and couldn't find anything. I'm using
the Outlook plugin if that makes a difference.

Cheers,

-- Mat.


From mikes at members-insurance.com  Fri Nov 14 13:03:51 2003
From: mikes at members-insurance.com (Michael K. Schummers)
Date: Fri Nov 14 13:04:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training/Scoring in SpamBayes
Message-ID: <002b01c3aad9$a9c41150$d60000c8@PRK94>

Clearly there is something in ongoing Training of SpamBayes that I do not
understand. I am running 0.81 Outlook plugin on Win XP Pro with Outlook
2000. A while back (weeks, not days), I retrained to get a more balanced
training of ham vs. spam. As time has progressed, I now have a five to one
ratio of ham vs. spam in the statistics reported by SpamBayes manager (3653
ham vs. 639 spam). My understanding from the forum comments is that messages
will NOT be trained in the "natural" assignment process of scoring and
moving to Unsure, Spam or leaving in the Inbox. New messages WILL be trained
if moved from Unsure to Inbox or Spam. They will also be trained if moved
from Inbox to Spam or Spam to Inbox (clearly this will also occur if "Delete
as Spam" or "Recover from Spam" buttons are used in the respective folders.
Is there some other training that will occur (without the manual steps of
invoking from SpamBayes Manager) automatically?? It doesn't appear to me
(but I have not kept detailed statistics) that I am manually classifying
significantly more "ham" messages than "spam" messages?and this propensity
to swing the training ration strongly in the "ham" direction has me a bit
confused (the effective screening of "spam" tends to get worse gradually as
the ratio starts to get out of balance). Am I missing some element of the
process??
?
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General Manager

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From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 13:29:40 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov 14 13:29:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <200311141400.hAEE0pP07342@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKEAMHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Bill Yerazunis, on challenge/response gimmicks]
> ...
> Except that there's no path back to the spammer for the challenge;
> they do their best to cover their tracks as their IP address is the
> one thing that can cost them their upstream connectivity.
>
> thus, C/R systems _will_ stop them.
>
> The problem is that C/R will annoy the rest of us.

I confess I won't respond to a C/R challenge anymore.  The last several
times I tried to play along, the web-based response systems took too damn
long to use, and the email-based response systems bounced my reply with
another challenge!  The latter was almost certainly a bug in the specific
C/R system(s) used, but it's all the same to me:  I gave all the time I felt
I could afford to give when I made the original reply, and any gimmick that
asks me to pour additional time into it is just too onerous to bother with.

But I'm a computer geek, and understand what C/R is trying to accomplish.
My sisters aren't computer geeks, and they won't respond to C/R challenges
either, for quite different reasons:  they never reply to unsolicited email
(in part because I advised them not to), and don't have the specialized
knowledge needed to distinguish a geeky C/R challenge from random
address-harvester spam.  "When in doubt, delete unopened" is basic email
self-defense (esp. for Windows users, which almost everyone's sisters are
<wink>), and a geek-generated challenge is certainly something a non-geek
has reason to doubt.

That said, a C/R system is great for people who don't want to get any email
at all <0.7 wink>.


From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Fri Nov 14 14:09:13 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Fri Nov 14 14:09:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <E1AJIVh-0001QU-De@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEOKFMAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

[Kenny Pitt]
> In K9, the limits you're talking about only control how many complete
> messages of each type are stored in cache for future *re-training*.
> They do not affect the contents of the actual training database.  K9
> does not currently do any aging of the training data, although I believe
> it has been discussed in that context as well.

Today I just saw the following entry in the K9 configuration instructions:

"In addition to automatically cleaning up the Recent Emails list, you can
choose to clean out the Good and Spam folders of old emails when they reach
a certain size."

You can see the K9 configuration instructions at

http://keir.net/k9_configuration.html

It looks like K9 *does* age out old messages once the message counts for
spam or ham are reached and a new message is available for training.  It
appears that they train on everything, and when the maximum number of
messages in the corpus is reached, they make room for the new message by
deleting and untraining the oldest one.  This appears to be another reason
why K9 stores the two complete training corpuses.  This avoids having to
timestamp every token, which is a big saving.


The advantages I see to this scheme are:

1) It allows you to set a predetermined desired number of messages for your
spam and ham training sets.  It appears from looking at the archives that
there were some "magic ratios" of spam/ham, or sweet spots, where SpamBayes
performed better for reasons that no one will probably ever understand.

2) Depending on the nature of your mail traffic, it will prevent the
spam/ham ratio from becoming pathologically skewed without any overt user
action.

3) It allows you to keep the tokens current with you email stream.


The disadvantages I see to this scheme are:

1) If you have infrequent correspondents who send messages very atypical of
your other ham, you would have to set the maximum number of ham messages
very high.  The discussion about the effects of large training sets aside,
this would mean a very large ham corpus file and a bigger than normal token
database.

2) If you have a highly asymmetrical spam/ham mail stream, keeping the spam
and ham training sets to a fixed size will prevent the training sets from
being contemporaneous.  I have no idea if this is actually a problem.

3) The ham message corpus file, in particular, could get very large
depending on whether SpamBayes does anything with file attachments.  If
SpamBayes does not need the complete file attachment to untrain a message,
this would not be an issue.


Whether or not any of this is worthwhile for SpamBayes hinges on questions
that I pose to those who have done experiments:

1) Is there any advantage in keeping the total training set size and
spam/ham ratio of the training set fixed?

2) Is it better to train on mistakes (the current system) or train on
everything (except list traffic that Outlook rules get out of the way before
SpamBayes sees new messages)?

---------------------------------

Why am I asking these questions?

[Tim Peters]
>>> I suggest you wait until you have a real problem before trying to
>>> solve it.
>
>What *bothers* you about SpamBayes?  What doesn't work right, or what was
>too hard to figure out, or what's still too confusing?  What's missing?

Well, what bothers me, so far, is that despite training on 620 ham and 1403
spam, SpamBayes still manages to miss (score as ham) 5-10 messages per day
out of around 150 scored messages.  Most of these missed spams have an
initial score very close to zero, so simply lowering the ham threshold would
not fix it.  After training as spam, their spam score often increases
respectably, but sometimes, the score stays below 5%.  This indicates that
the same message would be missed next time, as well.  I don't know if I just
need to get a bigger or more balanced training set, if there are some types
of tokens (such as embedded URL's in HTML spam) that are not currently
parsed or if this is just as good as it gets.  Anyway, that's what I would
like to see improved and it is the motivation for the above discussion.

Any thoughts from those who've been there already?

--
Seth Goodman

  Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply

  Spambots: please disregard the above


From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Fri Nov 14 14:29:06 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Fri Nov 14 14:29:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training/Scoring in SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <002b01c3aad9$a9c41150$d60000c8@PRK94>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEOLFMAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

[Michael K. Schummers]
> moving to Unsure, Spam or leaving in the Inbox. New messages WILL
> be trained
> if moved from Unsure to Inbox or Spam. They will also be trained if moved
> from Inbox to Spam or Spam to Inbox (clearly this will also occur
> if "Delete
> as Spam" or "Recover from Spam" buttons are used in the
> respective folders.

Is this true?  If the incremental training checkboxes (Outlook plug-in
version 0.81) are checked, does SpamBayes then trigger on the folder move it
initiated when it moved a spam to the spam folder and thus train on all
definite spam?  I currently have those boxes unchecked, as I frequently make
mistakes when I drag-and-drop messages, so I prefer to use the toolbar
button to do all retraining (much harder to screw up).


--
Seth Goodman

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From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 14 15:06:01 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Nov 14 15:06:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training/Scoring in SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEOLFMAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <E1AKkD1-0001JW-3S@mail.python.org>

Seth Goodman wrote:
> [Michael K. Schummers]
>> moving to Unsure, Spam or leaving in the Inbox. New messages WILL
>> be trained
>> if moved from Unsure to Inbox or Spam. They will also be trained if
>> moved from Inbox to Spam or Spam to Inbox (clearly this will also
>> occur 
>> if "Delete
>> as Spam" or "Recover from Spam" buttons are used in the
>> respective folders.
> 
> Is this true?  If the incremental training checkboxes (Outlook plug-in
> version 0.81) are checked, does SpamBayes then trigger on the folder
> move it initiated when it moved a spam to the spam folder and thus
> train on all definite spam?

SpamBayes will only train on a message moved to the spam folder if it's
initial classification score was below the spam threshold.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 14 15:19:35 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Nov 14 15:20:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <16309.3699.302897.207278@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <E1AKkQf-0003k0-KG@mail.python.org>

Skip Montanaro wrote:
> I've developed a few seat-of-the-pants training maxims, both from
> personal experience and from reading what others have done:
> 
>     * Bigger is not always better, no matter what all those
>       enlargement messages would have you believe.

That's a very good point, and there's a lot to be said for training on
the minimum number of messages that you need to produce reasonable
results.

Because all scores are based on ratios, every additional message that
you train on dilutes the effect of the prior tokens in that corpus that
don't appear in the new message.  For example, if I start with 50
trained hams and have a token that has been seen 10 times, it
contributes a ham probability of 0.2 (10/50) to the scoring.  If I later
train on 50 more hams that don't contain that token, it's ham
probability drops to 0.1 (10/100).

So training on more ham can actually cause you to miss good messages
that you were previously classifying correctly.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 14 15:48:51 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Nov 14 17:52:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEOKFMAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <E1AKmnS-0005Fs-GE@mail.python.org>

Seth Goodman wrote:
> [Kenny Pitt]
>> In K9, the limits you're talking about only control how many complete
>> messages of each type are stored in cache for future *re-training*.
>> They do not affect the contents of the actual training database.  K9
>> does not currently do any aging of the training data, although I
>> believe it has been discussed in that context as well.
> 
> Today I just saw the following entry in the K9 configuration
> instructions: 
> 
> "In addition to automatically cleaning up the Recent Emails list, you
> can choose to clean out the Good and Spam folders of old emails when
> they reach a certain size."

Yes, but that still only affects the token databases if you *rebuild*
them.

> It looks like K9 *does* age out old messages once the message counts
> for spam or ham are reached and a new message is available for
> training...

Yes, it does age out old messages from the cache.

> ... It appears that they train on everything, ...

Yes, it does train on everything you receive (which may or may not be a
good thing, opinions differ).  In recent versions, it also has an "Only
add reclassified emails" option in the Advanced config that trains more
like the SpamBayes Outlook addin.  If this option is on, tokens won't
get added to the training databases unless you reclassify the message,
but the actual message will still be saved in the message cache.

> ... and when the
> maximum number of messages in the corpus is reached, they make room
> for the new message by deleting and untraining the oldest one...

It deletes the oldest message from the corpus, but does not untrain it.
K9 does not store the original scoring of the message, and it allows you
to re-organize at any time to place messages in the correct corpus
according to the current scoring.  There is no guarantee that the corpus
a message is currently stored in matches how it was originally trained.
You can also delete the entire contents of the cache at any time without
having any effect on the scoring, until you rebuild the training
databases.

> ... This
> appears to be another reason why K9 stores the two complete training
> corpuses.  This avoids having to timestamp every token, which is a
> big saving. 

The only reason K9 keeps the actual messages is so that you can rebuild
the training databases at any time.  Understanding the significance of
this requires that you go back to the early days of K9 when it used a
slightly different method of training.  Originally, K9 did not have the
ability to "untrain" a message.  Every message was added to either the
spam or good word database as soon as it was received and scored.  If
the user reclassified the message, it was repeatedly added to the
reclassified database until the new score for the message surpassed a
certain threshold (which I believe was somewhere around >80% for spam
and <20% for good, give or take).  Obviously, this could result in some
strange training data over time, so an occasional rebuild of the
databases was useful to make sure that each message was trained in only
one of the spam or good databases.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From rmalayter at bai.org  Fri Nov 14 18:23:54 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Fri Nov 14 18:23:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3945@cliff.bai.org>

 
> From: Kenny Pitt

> Because all scores are based on ratios, every additional message that
> you train on dilutes the effect of the prior tokens in that 
> corpus that
> don't appear in the new message.  For example, if I start with 50
> trained hams and have a token that has been seen 10 times, it
> contributes a ham probability of 0.2 (10/50) to the scoring.  
> If I later
> train on 50 more hams that don't contain that token, it's ham
> probability drops to 0.1 (10/100).

> So training on more ham can actually cause you to miss good messages
> that you were previously classifying correctly.

I don't think your examples are correct, mathematically. Your 0.2 and
0.1 don't take into account how often the token is seen in the other
corpus. The actual formula used by spambayes for the probabiltiy of a
given token is more complex, and requires looking at the size of both
corpuses and the number of occurances in each. See
http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html for a good explanation of the
general method used.

So, in your example, if the token never occurred in a spam, your
single-token ham probabilites would actualy be something more like 0.99
and 0.99 instead of 0.2 and 0.1.

The way the probabilities are actually computed, the more data you have,
the more accurate your probabilities get, and the better the filter will
perform. Up to a point, of course... there will always be diminsighing
returns. There's not much difference in practical terms between 99.7%
accuracy and 99.8% accuracy.

Regards,
	Ryan


From sadkin at wood-carvings.com  Fri Nov 14 18:54:16 2003
From: sadkin at wood-carvings.com (Michael Sadkin)
Date: Fri Nov 14 18:54:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] filtering question
Message-ID: <EOEILDBJOGDKDJJPMELBMEPHCLAA.sadkin@wood-carvings.com>

When I start Outlook for the 1st time, the incoming mail is not always
filtered.  If I shut down Outlook and reopen it, the mail is then filtered.
Why does this happen"

Thank you,
Michael Sadkin

www.wood-carvings.com

msadkin@twcny.rr.com





From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Fri Nov 14 19:28:34 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Fri Nov 14 19:28:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEOKFMAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAAEPIFMAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

Kenny,

Thanks for the corrections.  I obviously have a lot to learn about the
details of the various Bayesian classifiers.  Do you have any comments on
the stuff at the bottom of my previous post (reproduced below)?  This is
what motivated the discussion of K9 training in the first place and I would
value any insight or suggestions that anyone could offer.

> ---------------------------------
>
> Why am I asking these questions?
>
> [Tim Peters]
> >>> I suggest you wait until you have a real problem before trying to
> >>> solve it.
> >
> >What *bothers* you about SpamBayes?  What doesn't work right, or what was
> >too hard to figure out, or what's still too confusing?  What's missing?
>
> Well, what bothers me, so far, is that despite training on 620
> ham and 1403
> spam, SpamBayes still manages to miss (score as ham) 5-10 messages per day
> out of around 150 scored messages.  Most of these missed spams have an
> initial score very close to zero, so simply lowering the ham
> threshold would
> not fix it.  After training as spam, their spam score often increases
> respectably, but sometimes, the score stays below 5%.  This indicates that
> the same message would be missed next time, as well.  I don't
> know if I just
> need to get a bigger or more balanced training set, if there are
> some types
> of tokens (such as embedded URL's in HTML spam) that are not currently
> parsed or if this is just as good as it gets.  Anyway, that's what I would
> like to see improved and it is the motivation for the above discussion.
>
> Any thoughts from those who've been there already?

--
Seth Goodman

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From listas at loquecreas.com  Fri Nov 14 20:02:00 2003
From: listas at loquecreas.com (Pablo Vieira)
Date: Fri Nov 14 20:02:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RV: I18N and L10N
Message-ID: <E1AKopS-0005WE-Sp@hostalia03.hostalia.com>

All right, third try, then I'll quit :-)

 

Since you guys state very clearly that no one should email the developers
directly I'm putting this here. I just want to ask if there's any interest
at all in having Spambayes available in Spanish or not.

 

Regards,

 

Pablo

 

  _____  

De: Pablo Vieira [mailto:listas@loquecreas.com] 
Enviado el: jueves, 13 de noviembre de 2003 21:55
Para: 'spambayes@python.org'
Asunto: I18N and L10N

 

Hi again,

 

I want to insist on the internationalisation and localisation of Spambayes.

 

Do you guys have any plans about this? Any easy way to translate the
software (such as a text file containing entries in the menus, dialog boxes,
help files, etc.?). I'm mostly interested in the Outlook version, but will
happily collaborate on the other variants as well.

 

My mother tongue is Spanish.

 

Regards,

 

Pablo

From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov 14 20:11:51 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov 14 20:11:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] filtering question
In-Reply-To: <EOEILDBJOGDKDJJPMELBMEPHCLAA.sadkin@wood-carvings.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEDCHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Michael Sadkin]
> When I start Outlook for the 1st time, the incoming mail is not always
> filtered.  If I shut down Outlook and reopen it, the mail is then
> filtered. Why does this happen"

The mail is filtered when you reopen Outlook because the first thing
SpamBayes does is look for messages in your watched folders that haven't
been processed yet.

I don't think we'll ever know why SpamBayes can miss some messages in a
batch of incoming mail.  SpamBayes relies on Outlook to tell it about new
messages, and sometimes Outlook simply doesn't.  Only the people who wrote
Outlook might be able to explain why not.  From experience, it appears that
Outlook sometimes skips telling SpamBayes about new messages when the load
on the system is high.  When you first open Outlook and a whole bunch of new
messages come in at once-- and especially if you have a high-speed
connection, a slow machine, too little RAM, and/or are running other
programs simultaneously --Outlook is seemingly too busy retrieving them to
bother talking to addins about each new message it gets.

Something that should help is enabling the addin's "background" processing,
via SpamBayes -> SpamBayes Manager ... -> Advanced -> Enable background
filtering.  That makes SpamBayes "sleep" a lot, thus reducing the peak load
on an overburdened system, and letting Outlook hog more of the machine's
resources when Outlook is struggling to keep up with the incoming load.


From stevensb at telus.net  Sat Nov 15 00:01:35 2003
From: stevensb at telus.net (BCS)
Date: Sat Nov 15 00:01:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] DB_RUNRECOVERY
Message-ID: <003101c3ab35$8c2e3240$60b0b8a1@brianathlon12>

I can't find any recovery program, where is it and what is it called?

I am running Win XP Pro, 640MB RAM, 6.7GB free on Windows drive, trained
1656 spam and 353 Ham.

500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "C:\PYTHON23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 453, in
found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "C:\PYTHON23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line 310, in
onReview
    targetCorpus.takeMessage(id, sourceCorpus)

  File "C:\PYTHON23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 201, in
takeMessage
    self.addMessage(msg)

  File "C:\PYTHON23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 143, in
addMessage
    Corpus.Corpus.addMessage(self, message)

  File "C:\PYTHON23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 136, in
addMessage
    obs.onAddMessage(message)

  File "C:\PYTHON23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 580, in
onAddMessage
    self.train(message)

  File "C:\PYTHON23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 588, in
train
    self.bayes.learn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam)

  File "C:\PYTHON23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line 211, in
learn
    self._add_msg(wordstream, is_spam)

  File "C:\PYTHON23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line 346, in
_add_msg
    self._wordinfoset(word, record)

  File "C:\PYTHON23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 279, in
_wordinfoset
    self.db[word] = record.__getstate__()

  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__
    self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()

  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 120, in __setitem__
    self.db[key] = value

DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database
recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery')


From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Sat Nov 15 09:16:52 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Sat Nov 15 09:17:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] tactics
Message-ID: <20031115141652.GA8955@nl.linux.org>

Hi,

currently, I only train email classified as unsure.

Is this a wise tactic? Most unsure-mail I get is ham, so the ham/spam
ratio is now 2 already, and grawing. Does it help to train on spam
messages already classified as such with 100% certainty?

yours,
Gerrit.

-- 
188. If an artizan has undertaken to rear a child and teaches him his
craft, he can not be demanded back.
          -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law
-- 
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	http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/
Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet:
	http://www.sp.nl/

From tmj at juntunen.us  Sat Nov 15 10:10:20 2003
From: tmj at juntunen.us (Thomas Juntunen)
Date: Sat Nov 15 10:10:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RV: I18N and L10N
In-Reply-To: <E1AKopf-0005ms-5T@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <r02000200-1031-D4A69E92177D11D88394000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.8]>

On 11/14/2003, spambayes-request@python.org imposed order on a stream of electrons to say:

>All right, third try, then I'll quit :-)
>
>Since you guys state very clearly that no one should email the developers
>directly I'm putting this here. I just want to ask if there's any interest
>at all in having Spambayes available in Spanish or not.

I'm not one of the developers, but are you aware that SpamBayes is an open source project with all the source code and docs freely available for downloading? If you have a working familiarity with Python, no one will stop you from making all the necessary changes to the presentation logic. As I understand the SB mechanism, it shouldn't matter much what language the content is in; your training choices will build an appropriate training db.

Once you have a Spanish-version complete, I'm sure the developers woould be glad to find room for it on the web site.

HTH,
Thomas Juntunen

From richie at entrian.com  Sat Nov 15 11:25:22 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sat Nov 15 11:25:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] DB_RUNRECOVERY
In-Reply-To: <003101c3ab35$8c2e3240$60b0b8a1@brianathlon12>
References: <003101c3ab35$8c2e3240$60b0b8a1@brianathlon12>
Message-ID: <bticrvofrpsuc1u4vcl2ijc5eumrfmk6nm@4ax.com>


[Steven]
> I can't find any recovery program, where is it and what is it called?

We don't beleive the recovery program (which is a part of Sleepcat BD,
www.sleepycat.com) works with our databases.  I'm afraid this is a problem
that we haven't yet been able to get to the bottom of.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From richie at entrian.com  Sat Nov 15 11:57:27 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sat Nov 15 11:57:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RV: I18N and L10N
In-Reply-To: <E1AKopS-0005WE-Sp@hostalia03.hostalia.com>
References: <E1AKopS-0005WE-Sp@hostalia03.hostalia.com>
Message-ID: <qilcrvkkv2cmod9g8vq56c68i48blahbjh@4ax.com>

Pablo,

[Moving this thread to spambayes-dev@python.org]

> All right, third try, then I'll quit :-)

Our apologies - we don't mean to ignore people who offer to help - far
from it!

> I just want to ask if there's any interest
> at all in having Spambayes available in Spanish or not.

We'd love to have international versions, though there are a lot of issues
involved.  I don't mean to put you off the idea, or to imply that we're
not prepared to put effort into this, but these things need taking into
account...

Many (most?) of the English strings in SpamBayes are mixed in with the
code.  Taking the source code as it is an translating the strings into
Spanish would be unmaintainable - we'd have two entirely separate versions
of the code, and any edits would have to be applied to both.  So the first
job to do would be to pull out all those hard-coded strings into a
language file.  That's not a huge job, and one that any computer-literate
person could probably do 95% of, even if they weren't a programmer.  Still
more effort than simply translating a collection of English phrases into
Spanish, though.

More English text appears in HTML pages.  Some of these are mostly text,
like the Outlook help pages, and maintaining two versions would not be too
bad (though any stylistic changes might have to be applied twice).  Some,
however, are quite strictly defined in ways that makes them
machine-readable - the web interface (as used by the POP3 proxy and IMAP
filter) defines its user interface in little pieces of HTML that are
joined together by the program at runtime.  Translating that stuff would
need more technical knowledge, and probably a significant amount of
re-engineering to make it maintainable.

A lot of Outlook interface (at least the dialogs) are defined in Windows
resource files, which require Visual Studio to edit them (or there may be
third party programs to it - any free ones that people know of?).  You can
edit them by hand but it's a huge pain.  They also contain a lot of
information that's not just language strings, meaning there's a lot of
duplication between the different language versions that causes
maintenance headaches.  I'd be interested to hear from people out there in
the world with solutions to this problem!

Lastly a social issue.  You could become the support department for
hundred of Spanish SpamBayes users!

So.  Do you still want to do this?  8-)  And are there SpamBayes
developers (or other Python-literate SpamBayes users - Pablo, you don't
say whether you're a Python programmer?) who have the time to make the
necessary software changes for this to work?

There may be other, cheaper, alternatives to doing the work that I haven't
considered (for instance, translating all the strings in place and then
maintaining the edits as a set of patches that get applied to each release
- are there Open Source projects that work that way?)

I may be painting an unnecessarily bleak picture here, because I'm no
expert on i18n.  I'd love for someone to come in and say "No, you've got
it all wrong, it's easy, look!"  Anyone?

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From Steve at HaHaHa.com.au  Sat Nov 15 19:19:19 2003
From: Steve at HaHaHa.com.au (Steve Davis)
Date: Sat Nov 15 19:19:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Idea for spambayes
Message-ID: <002f01c3abd7$476278e0$0100a8c0@office>

After using spambayes for a few months now I am convinced it is the best
thing since slice bread with spam.
 
I still get the ocassional false positive and check my spam folder every
few days.
 
I am now satisfied that anything over 90% is either spam or not
something I am interested in reading as it will look like spam.
 
How about an option that at a certain score (which can be chosen) , an
email will be auto deleted.
 
Thus I would have three settings
 
< 50%  = ham -> inbox
50% - 90% = possibly spam -> spam box
> 90% = definitely spam, just delete it.
 
 
All the best 
Steve Davis 

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From jmcatee at mediaodyssey.com  Sat Nov 15 19:50:34 2003
From: jmcatee at mediaodyssey.com (Jim McAtee)
Date: Sat Nov 15 19:50:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] OE Question
Message-ID: <045801c3abdb$a4a57440$1c03a8c0@jim>

I just set up SpamBayes on my PC running Win2k Professional.  My email client
is Outlook Express, so I'm running the POP3 proxy as a service.  So far, it's
working well.

I'm trying to set up additional OE email accounts, both on the same POP
server and on different servers.  But I'm not sure how (or if) you can set up
OE to use an alternative port for POP3.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jim


From jmcatee at mediaodyssey.com  Sat Nov 15 21:14:05 2003
From: jmcatee at mediaodyssey.com (Jim McAtee)
Date: Sat Nov 15 21:14:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training with cache on the POP proxy
Message-ID: <069301c3abe7$500f2230$1c03a8c0@jim>

Regarding training, I'm wondering what is the recommended method of using
cached messages.

I've run about 300 spam and 1100 ham messages through the interface, mostly
by having the server process existing Outlook Express dbx folder files, but
also using the web interface.  Now when I go to the review page, probably 95%
or more of the messages are shown as either 'ham' or 'spam', with the
remaining 'unsure'.  Is it recommended to train on either the ham or spam
messages for which SpamBayes has already made a correct decision?  Will this
reinforce the decision making, make it less accurate, or have no effect?



From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Nov 15 23:49:34 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sat Nov 15 23:49:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RV: I18N and L10N
In-Reply-To: <E1AKopS-0005WE-Sp@hostalia03.hostalia.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIEIGHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Pablo Vieira]
> ...
> Since you guys state very clearly that no one should email the
> developers directly I'm putting this here. I just want to ask if
> there's any interest at all in having Spambayes available in Spanish
> or not.

I expect that, like most of the rest of the developers, I think that would
be great, but don't have relevant experience, or time, to give to it.  If I
were you <wink>, I'd announce my *intent* on the newsgroup comp.lang.python,
to attract the interest of Python programmers with real-life I/L*N
experience.  There are people who know pretty much exactly what to do, but
they don't hang out on this list, and this has much more to do with using
Python's relevant features (like Unicode) correctly than with SpamBayes
specifically.  You might have luck asking on a Zope mailing list too (Zope
is a popular web content management system coded in Python, with users all
over the world, and within the last couple years has benefited by many
peoples' intense help with I/L*N).

A problem I know came up repeatedly in the Zope experience:  a 100%
commitment to Unicode can make life much easier, but old-time Python
programmers have to be dragged kicking and screaming to Unicode ("it's
inefficient", "it's wasteful", "it's too hard", ..., all the kinds of things
old people say when they're too cranky to learn new tricks <wink>).  You'll
have my support in fighting that battle, but not really much of my help --
because I'm one of the old farts who still hasn't learned anything about how
to live in a Unicode world.

Asians are likely to complain about Unicode too, but adapting SpamBayes to
Asian languages has many deep problems that European languages shouldn't
face (spambayes splits the body into tokens by whitespace, and that's it --
it deliberately didn't assume 7-bit ASCII English).

I'm not sure whether the Python email package plays nicely with Unicode.
That could be a real problem at the starting gate, if not.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 00:12:01 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov 16 00:12:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <16309.3699.302897.207278@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEIHHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Skip Montanaro]
> ...
> I've developed a few seat-of-the-pants training maxims, both from
> personal experience and from reading what others have done:
>
>     * Don't be afraid to retrain from scratch.  The system learns
>       quickly. Retraining from scratch is often the quickest way to
>       recover from training mistakes.
>
>     * Bigger is not always better, no matter what all those
>       enlargement messages would have you believe.  A larger database
>       is harder to examine for mistakes, and a few mistakes skewed in
>       the same directionn may be hard to overcome with correct
>       training.  You'll also reach a point where you want to just
>       delete all that spam.  Once you do that, you've completely lost
>       the ability to find mistakes.  If you only have a few messages
>       in your training database things will be easier to manage.
>
>     * Never train on the same message twice.  Using iterative
>       reasoning it's easy see you should never train on the same 100
>       or 1000 times either. ;-)
>
>     * Seek balance in your training database.  Similar numbers of ham
>       and spam are good.
>
>     * Don't automatically train on all incoming messages.  If you get
>       swamped with spam, you will quickly wind up with a training
>       database which is wildly out-of-balance.
>
>     * Don't worry about training on every unsure message either.  Some
>       messages just aren't amenable to a strict classification.  For
>       example, a bounce message from a mail server containing an
>       attached spam may be best left untrained.  It contains both
>       strong ham clues (all the postmaster gibberish which you would
>       get in a bounce of an otherwise valid message) and strong spam
>       clues (the spam message itself).  Calling that message as ham
>       or spam is likely to worsen the classification of future mail
>       bounces or future similar spam.

Those are excellent suggestions, Skip!  How about immortalizing them on
Richie's SpamBayes Wiki?  (Good info in email msgs is rarely found again.)

> My environment is much different than yours, so I don't know how
> you'd get the Outlook plugin to score messages again, but if it can
> do that, a little judicious checking will probably avoid the need to
> over-train.

In current incarnations of the addin, it's easy, but has moved from where it
was found in earlier versions of the addin

    Spambayes ->
        Filter messages ...

That brings up a dialog box with 4 sets of choices:

+ A multi-folder selector to choose the folder(s) you want to filter
  (just the Unsure folder in this application of it).

+ A radio button to choose whether you *just* want msgs rescored, or
  also want them shuffled around to other folders based on your other
  SpamBayes settings.  (You do want them shuffled around in this
  application of it.)

+ Whether to rescore email that's already been scored.  (Yes, in this
  application of it.)

+ Whether to restrict rescoring to unread mail.  (Depends on what
  else is in your Unsure folder, I suppose.)


From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 00:24:41 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov 16 00:24:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3945@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEIIHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Ryan Malayter]
> ...
> The way the probabilities are actually computed, the more data you
> have, the more accurate your probabilities get, and the better the
> filter will perform.

If the measured statistical properties of ham and spam never changed over
time, that would be true.  A possible problem in practice is that the true
probabilities do change some over time, and then the more *stale* training
data you're carrying forward, the worse the math estimates current
probabilities.  That's one reason to favor a small database in practice:  it
responds more quickly to new training; it doesn't have so much of the past
pointing it in out-of-date directions.

> Up to a point, of course... there will always be diminsighing returns.
> There's not much difference in practical terms between 99.7% accuracy
> and 99.8% accuracy.

That depends on what you're doing, and expressing those as error rates makes
the issue clearer:  a .3% error rate is 50% larger than a .2% error rate.
This project was originally aimed at filtering high-volume tech mailing
lists, and when you're dealing with 10s or 100s of thousands of emails per
day, an absolute .1% increase in the error rate can translate to hundreds of
additional messages kicked out for moderator review every day.  If the
comp.lang.python tests at the time had been able to achieve *only* 99.9%
accuracy, I probably would have given up.

That said, I agree that for personal email, for most people (those who don't
get thousands of emails per day) a difference of 0.1% in the error rate will
be noticed only by the self-destructively obsessed <wink>.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 00:39:52 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov 16 00:39:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEOKFMAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEIJHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Seth Goodman]
> ...
> Well, what bothers me, so far, is that despite training on 620 ham
> and 1403 spam, SpamBayes still manages to miss (score as ham) 5-10
> messages per day out of around 150 scored messages.

I get about 700 emails per day, about 200 of them spam, and see one or two
spam left in my inbox per week.  My training data is a little better
balanced than yours, and about the same total number of messages, and I'm
certain I haven't trained any messages into the wrong category.  My cutoffs
are at 20 and 80.  The vast bulk of my ham comes from technical mailing
lists, which appears exceptionally easy to identify as ham.

> Most of these missed spams have an initial score very close to zero, so
> simply lowering the ham threshold would not fix it.

There's no way to diagnose this without staring at the evidence the
classifier used to reach its decision.  It's not magic, it's just throwing a
bunch of numbers at each other <wink>.  I don't recall which SpamBayes
application you're using.  If it's the Outlook addin, just do

    Spambayes ->
        Show spam clues for current message

> After training as spam, their spam score often increases respectably,
> but sometimes, the score stays below 5%.  This indicates that the same
> message would be missed next time, as well.

Yes.

> I don't know if I just need to get a bigger or more balanced training
> set, if there are some types of tokens (such as embedded URL's in HTML
> spam) that are not currently parsed or if this is just as good as it
> gets.

It sounds unreasonably bad to me, but we're not going to *guess* the cause.
If you generate a report containing the evidence the classifier used, that
will tell us exactly why the message got its score.  Best guess is that
something is screwed up in your training data.  This *sounds* like symptoms
some others have had before they discovered that they trained some messages
into the wrong category.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 01:22:21 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov 16 01:22:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
In-Reply-To: <3FB4CC42.6060306@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEIKHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[papaDoc]
> ...
> It also depens where you work. I work in simulation and every
> calculation and memory  you can save make your simulator more
> appealing since  you can do more  with less.   (Do you prefer
> to pay 3000$ for a simulator you can run on a Current Standard
> PC or pay 250 000$ for a simulator that will do the same thing
> on a bigger screan) (See www.simlog.com)

I'd go for the 3000 choice, but some large companies wouldn't:
inexpensiveness is often viewed as correlated with risk.

I worked at Cray Research for 10 years, in "supercomputer" compiler
development, so am all too familiar with speed-at-any-cost applications.
They have their place, and some apps have a legitimate need for that.  But
we put more effort into each of Cray's compilers each year than the sum
total of all work put into Python, and its libraries, over the last 12 years
combined, and that's the way the world works:  the *human* costs of
producing highly optimized code have become unaffordable for all but apps
that truly need that level of optimization, and have a market willing to pay
those extreme costs.

SpamBayes was scoring email the same day I started to write it -- and my
desktop PC has a clock rate 5x faster than the US$10,000,000+ Cray Y-MP that
was the top of the line when I left Cray (in 1988).  SpamBayes may have been
too slow and big to use on a 10 million dollar machine 15 years ago, but it
runs happily on my 3-year-old laptop today.  I would be happy to see it run
faster, but not happy enough to endure the pain of getting there.  Since DB
access time appears to be the bottleneck now, it may not even have been
significantly faster coded in C.

But it's all moot.  It would have taken at least 30x longer for me to code
the thing in C, and I didn't have that much time to give to it:  if it
weren't for the decision to use Python, SpamBayes simply wouldn't exist.
The economic tradeoffs that drove that decision have only gotten "even more
so" since then.  I take solace in that it appears to require 128KB of RAM
just to boot Windows XP <wink>.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 01:22:22 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov 16 01:22:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] .db files
In-Reply-To: <E1AKf5f-0003yI-KL@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEIKHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Kenny Pitt]
> ...
> A large percentage of the memory used by K9 or SpamBayes is for the
> training data, so actual footprint will always depend on how many
> messages you have trained.

I don't know about K9.  Most SpamBayes users have a Sleepycat Berkeley
database now, and that's disk-based.  The memory burden when using a
disk-based database has much more to do with the number of messages you've
scored in the current session than with the number of message you've trained
on.  Most token information sits on disk unused:  only the tokens actually
seen when scoring new email get read up.  For speed, spambayes keeps the
info for tokens used in scoring in memory too, so memory use will increase
as more messages get scored.


From dalke at dalkescientific.com  Sun Nov 16 04:33:33 2003
From: dalke at dalkescientific.com (Andrew Dalke)
Date: Sun Nov 16 04:33:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3 culler
Message-ID: <F26A8260-1817-11D8-AECD-000393C92466@dalkescientific.com>

I am the proud recipient of about 170 spams a day which
is 1.5MB per day.  My mail is held by my ISP and has a
limit of 10MB, which means that if I don't check mail
for a week then it will get full.

My primary machine is a laptop, which I take with me
on travels.  I suspend it when I'm not using it.  I
have an NT box in my house which I can keep running
all the time.

When the virus was going around a couple months ago
I was getting a 110K attachment every minute or so,
which meant that my mailbox was filling up overnight.
I ended up running Kevin Altis's kill script (with
mods) on my NT box to remove all emails from the
POP3 server.

I'm going to be traveling soon and don't know often
I'll be able to access mail from my laptop.  It may
be I can only connect through a slow connection, if
at all.  Thus, I want to set up a cull script on my
NT box which connects to my POP3 account and removes
any and all high scoring spam and emails which have
MS Windows executable attachements, except those
which meet some simple whitelist criteria.

(Being cautious, I might instead have it save all the
spams to the local NT drive for review when I get home.)

I would like to use spambayes to handle this case.
That is, I have one server with two clients that
connect to it.  The first is my laptop and the second
is the culler, which connects every, say, 30 minutes
and deletes spams.  This should greatly reduce the
amount of data in my mailbox.

I did not find mention of this case in the FAQ nor
in my review of the SB code did I see any existing
program which could handle it.  Does such a beast
exist or should I look into writing one myself?  If
the latter, what's a good starting point?

					Andrew
					dalke@dalkescientific.com


From richie at entrian.com  Sun Nov 16 06:29:30 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Nov 16 06:30:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3 culler
In-Reply-To: <F26A8260-1817-11D8-AECD-000393C92466@dalkescientific.com>
References: <F26A8260-1817-11D8-AECD-000393C92466@dalkescientific.com>
Message-ID: <plnervg24a06k7qpk9v3hpv6137ofb5oco@4ax.com>

Andrew,

> the culler, which connects every, say, 30 minutes
> and deletes spams.

My approach would be to use the SpamBayes POP3 proxy (sb_server.py) as-is,
and write a script that used Python's POP3 client module to connect,
retrieve the emails, look at the X-Spambayes-Classification header, and
delete the ones marked as spam.  If I weren't storing the messages, I'd
set a high spam threshold.

I'd then publish the script on the SpamBayes Wiki at
http://entrian.com/sbwiki 8-)

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From richie at entrian.com  Sun Nov 16 06:41:52 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Nov 16 06:42:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training with cache on the POP proxy
In-Reply-To: <069301c3abe7$500f2230$1c03a8c0@jim>
References: <069301c3abe7$500f2230$1c03a8c0@jim>
Message-ID: <5ioervgn339hkif5aupp2p91jlqa5rvsv9@4ax.com>


[Jim]
> Regarding training, I'm wondering what is the recommended method of using
> cached messages.

Skip recently posted a few guidelines, which are in the archives here:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-November/009267.html

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From richie at entrian.com  Sun Nov 16 06:44:52 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Nov 16 06:45:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] OE Question
In-Reply-To: <045801c3abdb$a4a57440$1c03a8c0@jim>
References: <045801c3abdb$a4a57440$1c03a8c0@jim>
Message-ID: <amoervc5e3h1lvh7h9p57svr3j56rnfm8r@4ax.com>


[Jim]
> I'm trying to set up additional OE email accounts, both on the same POP
> server and on different servers.  But I'm not sure how (or if) you can set up
> OE to use an alternative port for POP3.  Any ideas?

A quick Google (for "outlook express" "pop3 port") found this page:

  http://support.aol2pop.com/AOL2Pop_Port.html

which has these instructions:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

>From the main Outlook Express window, select Accounts... from the Tools
menu.

In the Internet Accounts listing, highlight the e-mail account [...].

In the Properties dialog, select the Advanced tab.  The first section of
the tab should read Server Port Numbers.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From webmaster at beyond-thoughts.com  Sun Nov 16 08:59:18 2003
From: webmaster at beyond-thoughts.com (Christoph Becker-Freyseng)
Date: Sun Nov 16 09:00:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AT & T Patent on tricking Anti-Spam-Tools
Message-ID: <3FB782B6.2020809@beyond-thoughts.com>

AT & T got a patent (6.643.686) on tricking Anti-Spam-Tools.
I'm not sure if it's good or bad ...

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,643,686.WKU.&OS=PN/6,643,686&RS=PN/6,643,686


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From wsy at merl.com  Sun Nov 16 09:30:46 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Sun Nov 16 09:30:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AT & T Patent on tricking Anti-Spam-Tools
In-Reply-To: <3FB782B6.2020809@beyond-thoughts.com> (message from Christoph
	Becker-Freyseng on Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:59:18 +0100)
References: <3FB782B6.2020809@beyond-thoughts.com>
Message-ID: <200311161430.hAGEUkk28280@localhost.localdomain>


   From: Christoph Becker-Freyseng <webmaster@beyond-thoughts.com>

   AT & T got a patent (6.643.686) on tricking Anti-Spam-Tools.
   I'm not sure if it's good or bad ...

   http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,643,686.WKU.&OS=PN/6,643,686&RS=PN/6,643,686

Not bad.

It's the idea of making all your messages different (e.g. putting in
a bit of different text in each message, or in each group of messages).

The idea is to foil spamfilters that detect duplicate messages.

Now, there's a good reason for ATT to patent this- it means that anyone
doing this can be sued by ATT.  

I approve.  :)

  -Bill YerazunisC

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Sun Nov 16 09:42:16 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Sun Nov 16 09:42:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: AT & T Patent on tricking Anti-Spam-Tools
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357B54FB27@SPIKE.city>

> From: Christoph Becker-Freyseng [mailto:webmaster@beyond-thoughts.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:59 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] AT & T Patent on tricking Anti-Spam-Tools
> 
> 
> AT & T got a patent (6.643.686) on tricking Anti-Spam-Tools.
> I'm not sure if it's good or bad ...

Arguably, all software patents are bad. But that said, it's hard to see the practical effect of this one as anything but good. If ATT doesn't enforce it, we're no worse off than we are now. If they do enforce it, it stands to increase spammers' legal exposure and/or their cost of doing business. Or, if they have to stop using the patented algorithm, maybe it will decrease the effectiveness of their activity.

Bob

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Sun Nov 16 10:33:44 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Sun Nov 16 10:33:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: pop3 culler
Message-ID: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357B54FB28@SPIKE.city>

If Andrew's PC has a full-time connection to the Internet, he might be able to do it without even writing a script. The PC would be allowed to download everything, accommodating the ISP's restriction on mailbox size. Then assuming a firewall penetrable by an authenticated client, Andrew would connect his laptop to his PC, download what he wants, leave what he prefers to read later, and delete the rest. I'm assuming that the Spambayes POP3 proxy, which I haven't used, functions as both a POP3 client and a POP3 server. If it doesn't, there are other proxies (VPOP3, for example) that do.

Bob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richie Hindle [mailto:richie@entrian.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 6:30 AM
> To: Andrew Dalke; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] pop3 culler
> 
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> > the culler, which connects every, say, 30 minutes and deletes spams.
> 
> My approach would be to use the SpamBayes POP3 proxy (sb_server.py) as-is,
> and write a script that used Python's POP3 client module to connect,
> retrieve the emails, look at the X-Spambayes-Classification header, and
> delete the ones marked as spam.  If I weren't storing the messages, I'd
> set a high spam threshold.
> 
> I'd then publish the script on the SpamBayes Wiki at
> http://entrian.com/sbwiki 8-)

From richie at entrian.com  Sun Nov 16 11:47:35 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Nov 16 11:47:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: pop3 culler
In-Reply-To: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357B54FB28@SPIKE.city>
References: <F58D328A2277114F9529F7F4195D357B54FB28@SPIKE.city>
Message-ID: <odafrvge2oh7boehjl6g5re6mtlv6brs0p@4ax.com>


[Bob]
> I'm assuming that the Spambayes POP3 proxy, which I haven't
> used, functions as both a POP3 client and a POP3 server.

Sort of, but not in the sense that you mean.  It doesn't store messages;
it merely annotates them with extra headers as they pass through.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From tmj at juntunen.us  Sun Nov 16 11:48:19 2003
From: tmj at juntunen.us (Thomas Juntunen)
Date: Sun Nov 16 11:48:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RV: I18N and L10N
In-Reply-To: <E1ALJKn-00023V-M4@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <r02000200-1031-AF539A21185411D89C6D000393A6F1C8@[10.0.0.5]>

On 11/16/2003, "Tim Peters" <tim.one@comcast.net> imposed order on a stream of electrons to say:

>I expect that, like most of the rest of the developers, I think that would
>be great, but don't have relevant experience, or time, to give to it.  If I
>were you <wink>, I'd announce my *intent* on the newsgroup comp.lang.python,
>to attract the interest of Python programmers with real-life I/L*N
>experience.  There are people who know pretty much exactly what to do, but
>they don't hang out on this list, and this has much more to do with using
>Python's relevant features (like Unicode) correctly than with SpamBayes
>specifically.  You might have luck asking on a Zope mailing list too (Zope
>is a popular web content management system coded in Python, with users all
>over the world, and within the last couple years has benefited by many
>peoples' intense help with I/L*N).

You folks might find this article useful:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html

Thomas Juntunen

From Jeff at ModestSystems.com  Sun Nov 16 13:05:46 2003
From: Jeff at ModestSystems.com (Jeff Jansen)
Date: Sun Nov 16 13:05:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training using the Outlook Plug-In
Message-ID: <NCBBJKCNOJEIBBKDHHIEEEKHFPAA.Jeff@ModestSystems.com>

I have a question about how and when the SpamBayes Outlook plug-in "learns"
(that is, trains itself) during use.

Apparently, with the appropriate check boxes checked (on the "Training" tab
of the Spambayes Manager dialog box), SB will learn whenever I move a
message into or out of the Spam folder using the "Delete As Spam" or
"Recover From Spam" buttons on the toolbar. Thus, anytime I manually
identify an "unsure" message as spam or ham, SB learns. That's great.

My question is about the messages that it successfully identifies as spam or
ham during use based on the current status of the training database. Does SB
learn from those messages as well, or does it merely move the message into
the appropriate folder? Maybe the real question is, is there anything for SB
to learn from such messages? I'm thinking that whatever the "pattern" that
causes a message to be correctly identified as spam or ham, the database
would be "strengthened" by the knowledge that there is one more message that
matches that pattern, so that there IS something for SB to learn from those
messages. So the question is, is that what SB does?

The bottom line is, if I'm basically happy with the way SB is working, do I
need to periodically forcibly retrain it (using the "Start Training" button)
and make it look at all the messages that have arrived since the last
forcible training, or are those messages already reflected in the training
database?
Jeff Jansen | Portland, Oregon | USA
From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Sun Nov 16 14:39:11 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (Remi Ricard)
Date: Sun Nov 16 14:36:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEOKFMAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
References: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEOKFMAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <1069011550.3384.3.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com>

Hi,


> It looks like K9 *does* age out old messages once the message counts for
> spam or ham are reached and a new message is available for training.  

You can "clean" your database from old trained message with a patch that
I provided (go see the patch on sourceforge).

What it does is: you provide a value ( let say 60) so every messages
older than 60 days will be remove from the database (If they were used
for training.

Remi

-- 
Remi Ricard <papaDoc@videotron.ca>


From m.nanne at testtechniek.com  Sun Nov 16 14:59:01 2003
From: m.nanne at testtechniek.com (Nanne Technical Services)
Date: Sun Nov 16 14:59:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook only starts in SAFEMODE
Message-ID: <000001c3ac7c$14e3c720$c100000a@LAPTOPMARCEL>

Hello ,

 

After I have installed  SpamBayes Outlook plug-in - 0.7  ,outlook 2002
(10.2627/10.2625) only wants to start in Safemode. I deinstalled
SpamBayesit but the error stayed. Then I made another user in Xp , when
I am logged in as this new user outlook start normal. I have exported my
database and imported in the new user and it works. (so I think the
database is ok). Then I reinstalled OFFICE XP again but the same error
is there again. I have searched everything but I can't find anything. 

 

Will you please help?

 

With kind regards,

 

Marcel Nanne    Sint Annaparochie  The Netherlands

From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 16:18:32 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov 16 16:18:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: .db files
In-Reply-To: <4C542552EF434E43B2F2572854A73CBD6F70CF@corp-mail1.srdcorp.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEKPHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[David Reed]
> Much as it distresses me, I have to agree with Bob.
>
> Seems to me the major force in hardware advancement is software
> gluttoney, however.  :)

The HW manufacturers strongly encourage this, too.  For example, I worked in
computer speech recognition for 6 years, and Intel was always asking us how
we could make the product require more processing power, because they wanted
demanding apps to drive sales of new CPUs.  In speech recog, that's easy to
do, so Intel liked us a lot.  Seagate was a major early investor, in part
because they recognized that if speech recog caught on, it would stimulate
sales of new, bigger disks.  IIRC, memory chip manufacturers didn't talk to
us, presumably because Microsoft OS bloat and gamers were already doing more
than they could handle at the time to stimulate demand for new, bigger
memory chips.

In short, software gluttony feeds new HW sales, so the HW folks are big fans
of software bloat.  SW folks like bloat too, because "new features" drive
upgrade sales.  A happy consequence for us (SpamBayes doesn't have anything
to sell) is the modern PCs are so powerful that even a pig like SpamBayes
can run on them without strain <oink>.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov 16 16:37:50 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov 16 16:37:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: Re: index.cgi redirection
In-Reply-To: <08C94E00610F2E43A406811D00880C9705A5D0@exchserv.ais>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKELAHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Gr?tzmacher, Lukas]
> The SpamBayes Manager reports the training status as about 1600 ham
> and 135 spam mails, even I think I had more spam mails.
>
> Do I understand you right: Because I have more ham then spam mails
> my training becomes unbalanced ?

It is badly unbalanced (more than a 10-to-1 ratio favoring ham), but I'm not
sure that's your *only* problem.  For example, this punched me in the eye:'

>>> word                                spamprob         #ham  #spam
>>> ...
>>> 'header:Date:1'                     0.647151          912    135
>>> 'header:From:1'                     0.647151          912    135

Those are just recording whether an email has a Date line in the email
headers, and a From header line.  Virtually all email does have both such
lines, in which case their spamprobs are 0.5 -- neutral.  So it's very
surprising to see the presence of a Date or From line show up as a
significant clue.

You said you trained on 135 spam, and those two lines show that every one of
your spam had both header lines.  That's not surprising -- it's expected.
The baffling part is that only 912 of your 1600 ham had Date and From lines,
less than 60% of your ham.  What kind of ham do you get that lacks Date and
>From headers?  I don't know that it's impossible, but it is fishy and so
something to look at.


From ghlowe at worldnet.att.net  Sun Nov 16 17:57:00 2003
From: ghlowe at worldnet.att.net (George Lowe)
Date: Sun Nov 16 17:57:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation Problems
Message-ID: <000201c3ac94$f6c44120$48ac480c@CPQ20181235371>

When I attempted to install, I got the message:   " Unable to register
the DLL/OCX; DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000".   Suggestions?
George Lowe
From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Sun Nov 16 18:15:35 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Sun Nov 16 18:15:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEIJHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAGEEFFNAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> [Seth Goodman]
> > ...
> > Well, what bothers me, so far, is that despite training on 620 ham
> > and 1403 spam, SpamBayes still manages to miss (score as ham) 5-10
> > messages per day out of around 150 scored messages.
[Tim Peters]
>
> I get about 700 emails per day, about 200 of them spam, and see one or two
> spam left in my inbox per week.  My training data is a little better
> balanced than yours, and about the same total number of messages, and I'm
> certain I haven't trained any messages into the wrong category.
> My cutoffs
> are at 20 and 80.  The vast bulk of my ham comes from technical mailing
> lists, which appears exceptionally easy to identify as ham.

My cutoffs were the default 90 and 15.  My mail stream is as follows: about
300 messages per day, of which 120 are spam.  One significant difference in
our setups is that all of my listmail traffic, which proved to be all ham,
is taken care of by Outlook rules and not seen by SpamBayes.  I would have
even more listmail traffic if it were not for the fact that several of my
lists are available as newsgroups.  When I started using SpamBayes, I found,
just as you report, that the listmail traffic was always correctly
classified, but it also never contained spam.  It seemed inappropriate to
fill the ham token database with tokens typical of mail that I could
reliably classify without SpamBayes.  I then put SpamBayes in background
mode so the Outlook rules took care of all the listmail and only non-list
traffic would get scored and classified.  That leaves about 140 messages per
day, 120 of which are spam.  The remaining 20 ham messages are personal and
business communications, i.e. what I really want in my inbox.  Perhaps this
type of message stream is tough for SpamBayes and I should run things
differently?

[Seth Goodman]
> > I don't know if I just need to get a bigger or more balanced training
> > set, if there are some types of tokens (such as embedded URL's in HTML
> > spam) that are not currently parsed or if this is just as good as it
> > gets.
[Tim Peters]
>
> It sounds unreasonably bad to me, but we're not going to *guess*
> the cause.
> If you generate a report containing the evidence the classifier used, that
> will tell us exactly why the message got its score.  Best guess is that
> something is screwed up in your training data.  This *sounds*
> like symptoms
> some others have had before they discovered that they trained
> some messages
> into the wrong category.

OK, here's what I'll do.  I'll eliminate the two possible problems you
raised before I ask anyone to troubleshoot anything.  These are the
unbalanced training set size and to re-validate all my training messages.
I've pruned my initial spam training corpus by deleting the oldest messages
so that I have about 650 spam and 650 ham as an initial training set.  The
only exception to pruning by age is that I kept all spams that were
previously misclassified as ham (scored less than 15) to seed the spam token
database with the "tough to classify spam".  Due to the preponderance of
spam I get in the message stream I filter, my ham corpus goes back about two
months and my spam corpus goes back about a week.  I've gone over each
message corpus one more time, but only found one questionable message in the
ham corpus: it was hard to decide what it was, but I moved it to the spam
corpus.  I will train and rebuild the database on these new corpuses.  I
will leave my thresholds at the default 90/15, as I *never* got a false
positive and I like it that way.  In the past, virtually all of my unsures
were spam.  Therefore, in the unsure group, I will train on all ham (if I
ever see any there) but I will only train on spam with a score of less than
50 to limit the growth of the spam token database.  This is still not
perfect, as the spam corpus will continue to grow but the ham corpus
probably won't.

I'll run the system for a while, keep statistics, and wait for things to
settle down.  I'll let you know what I see and if I still get too many
missed spams, I'll post a few of the classifier outputs for the missed spams
for evaluation.

If you'd prefer that I run this experiment differently, please let me know
and I will restart it.

--
Seth Goodman

  Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply

  Spambots: please disregard the above


From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Sun Nov 16 20:20:10 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Sun Nov 16 20:20:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCAEIJHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEFAFNAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

Tim,

An piece of information is evident from going over my past statistics.  The
system performed respectably after the initial training on around 600 spam
and 600 ham.  The missed spam initially went down as I trained on more of
it, but then it seemed to increase until it missed over 10%.  I previously
trained on all missed spam and everything in the unsure folder.

--
Seth Goodman

  Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply

  Spambots: please disregard the above


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Sun Nov 16 23:05:29 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sun Nov 16 23:02:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3 culler
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130415CDF2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29D0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Thus, I want to set up a cull script on my
> NT box which connects to my POP3 account and removes
> any and all high scoring spam and emails which have
> MS Windows executable attachements, except those
> which meet some simple whitelist criteria.

[...]
> I did not find mention of this case in the FAQ nor
> in my review of the SB code did I see any existing
> program which could handle it.  Does such a beast
> exist or should I look into writing one myself?  If
> the latter, what's a good starting point?

The only thing I would add to Richie's comments is that if your connection
from the NT box is slow or expensive, then you could get it to do this based
on header analysis only (it's simple enough to add an option to sb_server to
get it to analyse on TOP instead of RETR).  The archives for this list and
the -dev one have various messages about the results from header-only
analysis, but basically (and of course, YMMV) I personally found that it
tended to be good enough for this sort of task, and nicely conservative
(tending to leave spam, rather than remove ham).

=Tony Meyer


From Tom-Moore at att.net  Mon Nov 17 01:04:09 2003
From: Tom-Moore at att.net (Tom Moore)
Date: Mon Nov 17 01:04:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Prompt to install "VBA (2720)"
Message-ID: <000101c3acd0$9e81af20$314b4a0c@tmoore>

I have mail set up using Outlook for two accounts under Windows XP Pro.

 
One is working fine.  Mail is being filtered and the tool bar items work
fine.
 
The second (mine) is not working properly.  Mail is being filtered and
the tool bar items appear but clicking on a tool bad item results in the
Windows Installer trying to install "VBA (2720)".  It prompts to "Please
insert disk labeled "Visual  Basic for Applications (2720)".
Interestingly enough, while the the "Delete as SPAM" and "Recover from
SPAM" items display the above dialog, they work to move the mail message
from one folder to another.  The SpamBayes menu on the other hand
displays the installation dialog and fails to display any menu.
 
The SpamBayes log displays the following.  The one error about failing
to add the toolbar item shows up on both accounts and as such appears to
possibly be a red herring.
 
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Tom
Moore\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\Tom
Moore\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 254 spam and 153 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003)
starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1)
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit
(Intel)]
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Junk E-Mail
Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 49.644ms
FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' -
(-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0,
-2147467259), None)
Deleted the dead popup control - re-creating
Message 'SPAM test' had a Spam classification of 'No'
SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook
SpamBayes processed 1 messages, finding 0 spam and 0 unsure
Addin terminating: 2 COM client and 2 COM servers exist.

I have reinstalled Office XP while logged in as both accounts.  I have
also removed and reinstalled SpamBayes while logged in as both accounts.
Nothing seems to help.  Any suggestions?
 
Regards,
Tom Moore
From Tom-Moore at att.net  Mon Nov 17 01:27:22 2003
From: Tom-Moore at att.net (Tom Moore)
Date: Mon Nov 17 01:27:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Prompt to install "VBA (2720)"
In-Reply-To: <000101c3acd0$9e81af20$314b4a0c@tmoore>
Message-ID: <000601c3acd3$dcbf5730$314b4a0c@tmoore>

I fixed the problem.  I selected the "Browse" button in the installer
dialog and it was looking for a file "vba6.msi"  A search of my C drive
for this file name turned it up in a totally unrelated application
directory.  I selected that file and the installer was happy.  Now
Outlook works for both logins.



From dalke at dalkescientific.com  Mon Nov 17 01:43:07 2003
From: dalke at dalkescientific.com (Andrew Dalke)
Date: Mon Nov 17 01:42:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3 culler
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29D0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <4DC43B64-18C9-11D8-AECD-000393C92466@dalkescientific.com>

Richie Hindle:
> My approach would be to use the SpamBayes POP3 proxy (sb_server.py) 
> as-is,
> and write a script that used Python's POP3 client module to connect,
> retrieve the emails, look at the X-Spambayes-Classification header, and
> delete the ones marked as spam.

That's a cute way to do it.  It feels like a hack, because
of the extra server->proxy->culler network step, but OTOH
the machine isn't doing anything else.

> If I weren't storing the messages, I'd set a high spam threshold.

Yeah, and whitelist known good email sources.

Bob Coe:
> If Andrew's PC has a full-time connection to the Internet, he might be 
> able to do it without even writing a script. [...]
> Then assuming a firewall penetrable by an authenticated client, Andrew 
> would connect his laptop to his PC, download what he wants, leave what 
> he prefers to read later, and delete the rest.

It's a DSL connection, but I could get one of those dyndns
entries.  There are a few problems.  I would need to open up
my firewall a smidgeon, which I'm not happy about.  It would
also mean I can't use the web interface to my mail (eg, from
a cybercafe) or ssh (my client's site doesn't allow connections
to web-based email because downloads don't go through their
virus detectors).  All in all, too complicated for my tastes.
Richie's seems much simpler.

Tony Meyer:
> The only thing I would add to Richie's comments is that if your 
> connection
> from the NT box is slow or expensive, then you could get it to do this 
> based
> on header analysis only

DSL.  Bandwidth isn't a problem for this,

My take-home message ... wait, I am at home! .. is that no
such tool already exists.  Okay, I'll play around with it
for a bit and post what results.

					Andrew
					dalke@dalkescientific.com


From sanjaydarisi at cox.net  Mon Nov 17 08:43:38 2003
From: sanjaydarisi at cox.net (Sanjay Darisi)
Date: Mon Nov 17 08:43:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
Message-ID: <3FB8D08A.5050802@cox.net>

I have three quick questions regarding spambayes outlook addin. 

Firstly, Isn't that possible to add spam field directly to the Outlook view instead of user adding it manually from user-defined fields?

Secondly, If I want to add the delete as spam/recover as ham buttons to the message view that is displayed when an email message is double-clicked in Outlook, how do I do that? Any ideas?

Thirdly, If I want to add some personal signature regarding spambayes after I install it for my Outlook, How do I do that? Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,
Sanjay.

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 09:58:42 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Mon Nov 17 09:59:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3945@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <E1ALkqI-0007rc-Cn@mail.python.org>

Ryan Malayter wrote:
>> From: Kenny Pitt
> 
>> Because all scores are based on ratios, every additional message that
>> you train on dilutes the effect of the prior tokens in that
>> corpus that
>> don't appear in the new message.  For example, if I start with 50
>> trained hams and have a token that has been seen 10 times, it
>> contributes a ham probability of 0.2 (10/50) to the scoring.
>> If I later
>> train on 50 more hams that don't contain that token, it's ham
>> probability drops to 0.1 (10/100).
> 
>> So training on more ham can actually cause you to miss good messages
>> that you were previously classifying correctly.
> 
> I don't think your examples are correct, mathematically. Your 0.2 and
> 0.1 don't take into account how often the token is seen in the other
> corpus. The actual formula used by spambayes for the probabiltiy of a
> given token is more complex, and requires looking at the size of both
> corpuses and the number of occurances in each. See
> http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html for a good explanation of the
> general method used.
> 
> So, in your example, if the token never occurred in a spam, your
> single-token ham probabilites would actualy be something more like
> 0.99 and 0.99 instead of 0.2 and 0.1.
> 
> The way the probabilities are actually computed, the more data you
> have, the more accurate your probabilities get, and the better the
> filter will perform. Up to a point, of course... there will always be
> diminsighing returns. There's not much difference in practical terms
> between 99.7% accuracy and 99.8% accuracy.

My mistake, I should have used the word *ratio* instead of *probability*
in this case.  There are a number of factors that contribute to the
final probability including unknown word strength, the Robinson "rare
word" adjustment, the optional ham/spam imbalance adjustment, etc.  I
was trying to simplify somewhat, and hopefully did not over-simplify to
the point of incorrectness.

The intended point is this.  Once you have trained on a sufficient
number of messages, there are only two components that contribute
significantly to the spam probability of a single word: the ratio of ham
token count to total ham message count and the ratio of spam token count
to total spam message count.  If the spam ratio and the ham token count
do not change, the computed probability for that word will get
*spammier* if I increase the total *ham* message count.

Note that none of this has any effect if the token has only ever been
seen in one corpus or the other.  Before the Robinson adjustment, the
spam probability of a token that has only appeared in spam will be 1.0
regardless of whether it appeared once in two messages or once in
200,000 messages.  Similiary, the spam probability of a token that has
only appeared in ham will be 0.0.  The total number of messages becomes
a factor at the point when a word has been seen in both ham and spam and
we need to decide which of the two is more likely.

For those with a statistical mindset who want to follow this computation
all the way through, here is the complete formula (as I understand it)
that is used by SpamBayes to compute the spam probability of a single
word when the ham/spam imbalance adjustment is *not* enabled:

hc = ham token count
nh = total number of ham messages
sc = spam token count
ns = total number of spam messages
hr = ham ratio = hc / nh
sr = spam ratio = sc / ns
p = base spam probability = sr / (sr + hr)

S = unknown word strength (static factor = 0.45 by default)
x = unknown word probability (static factor = 0.5 by default)

n = total number of messages = nh + ns
sp = final spam probability = ((S * x) + (n * p)) / (S + n)

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 10:15:11 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Mon Nov 17 10:15:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ageing out database entries
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAAEPIFMAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <E1ALl6F-0005jf-8M@mail.python.org>

Seth Goodman wrote:
> Kenny,
> 
> ...  Do you have any
> comments on the stuff at the bottom of my previous post (reproduced
> below)?  This is what motivated the discussion of K9 training in the
> first place and I would value any insight or suggestions that anyone
> could offer. 
> 
>> Well, what bothers me, so far, is that despite training on 620
>> ham and 1403
>> spam, SpamBayes still manages to miss (score as ham) 5-10 messages
>> per day out of around 150 scored messages.  Most of these missed
>> spams have an initial score very close to zero, so simply lowering
>> the ham 
>> threshold would
>> not fix it.  After training as spam, their spam score often increases
>> respectably, but sometimes, the score stays below 5%.  This
>> indicates that the same message would be missed next time, as well. 
>> I don't 
>> know if I just
>> need to get a bigger or more balanced training set, if there are
>> some types
>> of tokens (such as embedded URL's in HTML spam) that are not
>> currently parsed or if this is just as good as it gets.  Anyway,
>> that's what I would like to see improved and it is the motivation
>> for the above discussion. 
>> 
>> Any thoughts from those who've been there already?

There is currently a discussion developing under the subject "SpamBayes
now filers less than 50% of my spam" regarding the significance of
imbalance and possible difficulties as you train on larger numbers of
messages.  Some of it may apply to your situation.

In your case, my guess is that you should consider how similar are the
spam messages that got missed to previous spams that you have
classified.  You have 1403 spam messages trained, so even training 5 new
spams isn't much in relation to the total number of spams if the new
spam tokens haven't been seen much before.  If those spams contain
tokens that also appear in your ham, then it could potentially take a
significant amount of training to counteract the effects of the ham
tokens.  You have fewer trained hams than you do spams, so a token in
the ham training will contribute a little more strongly to the overall
probability than the same token in the spam training.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Nov 17 10:23:49 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Nov 17 10:24:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] tactics
In-Reply-To: <20031115141652.GA8955@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031115141652.GA8955@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <16312.59397.605801.227853@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Gerrit> currently, I only train email classified as unsure.

    Gerrit> Is this a wise tactic? 

That is a subject of some speculation.  Different training approaches have
not been rigorously tested.  I think one reason for that is that it would
require a fair amount of manual effort.  (You'd have to look at everything
to identify classification mistakes.)

    Gerrit> Most unsure-mail I get is ham, so the ham/spam ratio is now 2
    Gerrit> already, and grawing. Does it help to train on spam messages
    Gerrit> already classified as such with 100% certainty?

What are your ham_cutoff and spam_cutoff set to?  Perhaps you should just
increase your ham_cutoff value to push more of the unsures into the ham
section.  Almost all of my unsures are spam, but they score all over the
region between ham_cutoff and spam_cutoff.  I am slowly moving my
spam_cutoff down to compensate, but have to be careful I don't start
gobbling up the occasion good email which scores as unsure.

Skip

From milton at spine.med.utoronto.ca  Mon Nov 17 10:53:29 2003
From: milton at spine.med.utoronto.ca (Milton Charlton)
Date: Mon Nov 17 10:53:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install problem XP Outlook// spambayes_addin.dll//
	Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer
Message-ID: <01d901c3ad22$f259a380$08fda8c0@kinase>

When I try to install Spambayes to Outlook XP I get this error that concerns
the file spambayes_addin.dll: 
Unable to register the DLL/OCX:  DllRegisterServer;failed; code 0x00000000.
I see this mentioned a few times in the archive but could find no solution.
Norton anti virus is turned off and Zonealarm is turned off.
The machine is P4 on an Intel motherboard using a Matrox dual monitor card.
Palm Hotsync is running and Pivot software is running.
Spambayes works fine on my P3 with W98.
I really want to use Spambayes and have several hundred spams to train with
since I was away for a week.
I hope someone there has the answer.
Thanks!

Milton P. Charlton,


From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 11:56:57 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Nov 17 11:56:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
In-Reply-To: <3FB8D08A.5050802@cox.net>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEONHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Sanjay Darisi]
> I have three quick questions regarding spambayes outlook addin.
>
> Firstly, Isn't that possible to add spam field directly to the
> Outlook view instead of user adding it manually from user-defined
> fields?

We don't know of a way to accomplish this.  Outlook doesn't appear to expose
this part of its internals to external programs.

> Secondly, If I want to add the delete as spam/recover as ham
> buttons to the message view that is displayed when an email message
> is double-clicked in Outlook, how do I do that? Any ideas?

You would have to write a bunch of new code, calling Outlook's API.  Offhand
I don't have any idea exactly what all that would require in the end.  It's
not likely to be easy.

> Thirdly, If I want to add some personal signature regarding
> spambayes after I install it for my Outlook, How do I do that? Any
> suggestions?

Sorry, I don't know what you're asking here.  Try giving more details?


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 11:57:55 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Mon Nov 17 11:58:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training using the Outlook Plug-In
In-Reply-To: <NCBBJKCNOJEIBBKDHHIEEEKHFPAA.Jeff@ModestSystems.com>
Message-ID: <E1ALmhd-0000Zo-AA@mail.python.org>

Jeff Jansen wrote:
> My question is about the messages that it successfully identifies as
> spam or ham during use based on the current status of the training
> database. Does SB learn from those messages as well, or does it
> merely move the message into the appropriate folder?

No, SB does not learn automatically from messages that it classifies.
It only trains when you manually identify a message as one or the other.

> ... Maybe the real
> question is, is there anything for SB to learn from such messages?
> I'm thinking that whatever the "pattern" that causes a message to be
> correctly identified as spam or ham, the database would be
> "strengthened" by the knowledge that there is one more message that
> matches that pattern, so that there IS something for SB to learn from
> those messages. So the question is, is that what SB does? 

There is a reasonable argument that training on spam messages that have
already been classified as spam can increase the chances of catching
future spam as the messages mutate.  However, training on *everything*
has the potential to cause your training data to have significantly more
of one type of message than the other.  There are definate accuracy
penalties when your training is out of balance.

> The bottom line is, if I'm basically happy with the way SB is
> working, do I need to periodically forcibly retrain it (using the
> "Start Training" button) and make it look at all the messages that
> have arrived since the last forcible training, or are those messages
> already reflected in the training database?

IMHO, this really isn't necessary unless your training data gets out of
balance.  Then you can do training with the "Rebuild entire database"
option turned off to get back in balance.  In this case, you'll need to
choose your training folders carefully so that you only increase the
type of messages that you have too few of.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Nov 17 12:15:11 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Nov 17 12:17:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3 culler
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29D0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130415CDF2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29D0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16313.543.675533.660001@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tony> ... header analysis only (it's simple enough to add an option to
    Tony> sb_server to get it to analyse on TOP instead of RETR).

This is probably more spambayes-dev territory, but might you encounter
potential problems using TOP if only part of the message is retrieved?  I'm
thinking that if you try to parse an incomplete MIME body the email parser
might barf.  If not, I don't see any reason to restrict yourself to just
the mail header.  You might as well use whatever clues exist in the
fragmented body.

Skip

From tim.one at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 12:26:25 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Mon Nov 17 12:26:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes now filers less than 50% of my spam.
In-Reply-To: <E1ALkqI-0007rc-Cn@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEPBHCAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Kenny Pitt]
> ...
> For those with a statistical mindset who want to follow this
> computation all the way through, here is the complete formula (as I
> understand it) that is used by SpamBayes to compute the spam
> probability of a single word when the ham/spam imbalance adjustment
> is *not* enabled:
>
> hc = ham token count
> nh = total number of ham messages
> sc = spam token count
> ns = total number of spam messages
> hr = ham ratio = hc / nh
> sr = spam ratio = sc / ns
> p = base spam probability = sr / (sr + hr)
>
> S = unknown word strength (static factor = 0.45 by default)
> x = unknown word probability (static factor = 0.5 by default)
>
> n = total number of messages = nh + ns
> sp = final spam probability = ((S * x) + (n * p)) / (S + n)

That's almost right.  Note that sp is a weighted average of x and p.  n is
the weight given to p, and should be larger the more confidence we have in
the by-counting spamprob guess.  You should instead have:

  n = total number of messages the token appeared in = hc + sc

That is, the confidence we have in p is proportional to the number of
messages the token has appeared in, not to the total number of all messages.

The only thing the infamous "ham/spam imbalance adjustment" did was reduce n
in cases of unbalanced training data, following the inuition that the more
wildly unbalanced the training data, the less confidence we have in the
by-counting spamprob guesses.  It reduced n to what it *would* have been if
we had equal numbers of trained ham and spam, with the same hr and sr
ratios.  It didn't do a good job in practice, though.


From dreed at srdcorp.com  Mon Nov 17 13:13:31 2003
From: dreed at srdcorp.com (Reed, David)
Date: Mon Nov 17 13:16:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Outlook Plugin (Latest) unresponsive
Message-ID: <4C542552EF434E43B2F2572854A73CBD6F710F@corp-mail1.srdcorp.com>

Hi All,

I installed the SpamBayes Outlook plugin several months ago for our Company President.  It's been working, mostly, since then.  Oh sure, a few times it has stopped working, and I'd go fix it.

Well, today it stopped working.  I upgraded it to the latest Outlook Plugin (.081?), and retrained it.  However, it still isn't responding.  I uninstalled it and reinstalled it.  Still not change.  No response.  I can't even select an email and "DELETE AS SPAM", because it just doesn't.  It's totally unresponsive to anything.

It only seems to be his computer (the Company President, naturally, who isn't a computer guy at all, so he has NO patience for computer problems), and I am seemingly powerless to do anything about it.

Has anyone else got any idea what might be wrong?  Like I say, I've deleted it and reinstalled it, I've upgraded it, and I've retrained it already.  I can't select an email and DELETE AS SPAM either.

All ideas and suggestions welcome!

Thanks,

David

From sdarisi at imap2.asu.edu  Mon Nov 17 13:31:09 2003
From: sdarisi at imap2.asu.edu (Sanjay Darisi)
Date: Mon Nov 17 13:24:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
Message-ID: <3FB913ED.9000401@imap2.asu.edu>

>/ Thirdly, If I want to add some personal signature regarding
/>/ spambayes after I install it for my Outlook, How do I do that? Any
/>/ suggestions?
/
Tim> Sorry, I don't know what you're asking here.  Try giving more details?

After installing spambayes Outlook addin. For every outgoing message, new email or reply msg sent by user, I want to add some msg (say as signature) at the end. How do I do that?

Sanjay.

From sanjaydarisi at cox.net  Mon Nov 17 13:42:12 2003
From: sanjaydarisi at cox.net (Sanjay Darisi)
Date: Mon Nov 17 13:35:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
Message-ID: <3FB91684.4030307@cox.net>

/> Thirdly, If I want to add some personal signature regarding
/> spambayes after I install it for my Outlook, How do I do that? Any
> suggestions?
>

Tim> Sorry, I don't know what you're asking here.  Try giving more details?

After installing spambayes Outlook addin. For every outgoing message, new email or reply msg sent by user, I want to add some msg (say as signature) at the end. How do I do that?

Sanjay.

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 17 13:52:46 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Mon Nov 17 13:53:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
In-Reply-To: <3FB91684.4030307@cox.net>
Message-ID: <E1ALoUn-0007qa-Gq@mail.python.org>

Sanjay Darisi wrote:
> After installing spambayes Outlook addin. For every outgoing message,
> new email or reply msg sent by user, I want to add some msg (say as
> signature) at the end. How do I do that?  

SpamBayes doesn't do anything like that, but you can do it very easily
in your Outlook settings.  Select Tools | Options and then go to the
"Mail Format" tab.  Click on the "Signatures..." button to create your
sig.  Then just select that signature for either or both of "Signature
for new messages" and "Signature for replies and forwards".

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From chayo at agmac.com  Mon Nov 17 15:49:31 2003
From: chayo at agmac.com (chayo)
Date: Mon Nov 17 15:49:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000801c3ad4c$4f3f15c0$6501a8c0@CMcKean>

My name is Jeff Foster. I amtrying to find out why Iand one of my real estate agents are having so much trouble with ouyr Outlook since installing Spambayes?  I am sending this from Chayo's computer. I have read all ofthe trouble shootint information available.
Here is my problem, Outlook loads very very slow or doesn't load at all.
Please reply to jfoster@agmac.com
From jens.rantil at telia.com  Mon Nov 17 16:53:13 2003
From: jens.rantil at telia.com (Jens Rantil)
Date: Mon Nov 17 16:54:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] tactics
In-Reply-To: <20031115141652.GA8955@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031115141652.GA8955@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <20031117225313.0daa3e22.jens.rantil@telia.com>

Hi Gerrit,

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:16:52 +0100
Gerrit Holl <gerrit@nl.linux.org> wrote:

> Is this a wise tactic?

Perhaps this might be a good answer:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:41:52 +0000
Richie Hindle <richie@entrian.com> wrote:

> Skip recently posted a few guidelines, which are in the archives here:
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-November/009267.html

Regards,

Jens

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Nov 17 18:25:32 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon Nov 17 18:23:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] pop3 culler
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130415D179@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29D3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Tony]
> header analysis only (it's simple enough to add an option to
> sb_server to get it to analyse on TOP instead of RETR).

[Skip]
> This is probably more spambayes-dev territory, but might you 
> encounter potential problems using TOP if only part of the 
> message is retrieved?

I should have been clearer - I was thinking more along the lines of a TOP 0
(headers only) - if that classifies as spam, then doing a RETR and storing
it somewhere for later review, and if not, moving on to the next message.

Doing the opposite of this - RETRing if the message classifies as ham
(otherwise leaving on the server) - could be useful if the user is
temporarily connecting via a slow/expensive connection (like a mobile phone,
or in a hotel, or something like that).  I played around with implementing
something like this a while back, but other projects took over... :)

=Tony Meyer


From sdarisi at imap2.asu.edu  Mon Nov 17 21:20:00 2003
From: sdarisi at imap2.asu.edu (Sanjay Darisi)
Date: Mon Nov 17 21:13:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
Message-ID: <3FB981D0.5070806@imap2.asu.edu>

Sanjay Darisi wrote:
>/ After installing spambayes Outlook addin. For every outgoing message,
/>/ new email or reply msg sent by user, I want to add some msg (say as
/>/ signature) at the end. How do I do that?  
/
Kenny wrote:

> SpamBayes doesn't do anything like that, but you can do it very easily
> in your Outlook settings.  Select Tools | Options and then go to the
> "Mail Format" tab.  Click on the "Signatures..." button to create your
> sig.  Then just select that signature for either or both of "Signature
> for new messages" and "Signature for replies and forwards".


I know how to do this manually. But I would like to do it in addin itself. Like after installing the addin it has to append a signature to every outgoing email. How can I do this?

Thank you,
Sanjay.


From richie at entrian.com  Tue Nov 18 03:46:27 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue Nov 18 03:46:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
In-Reply-To: <3FB981D0.5070806@imap2.asu.edu>
References: <3FB981D0.5070806@imap2.asu.edu>
Message-ID: <g0njrv4hgb1vqrth4l6cbaa2ps0v7f8psc@4ax.com>


[Sanjay]
> I know how to do this manually. But I would like to do it in addin
> itself. Like after installing the addin it has to append a signature
> to every outgoing email. How can I do this?

That's a strange requirement - what do you want the signature to say, if
you don't mind me asking?

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From ssmith at ayrhill.net  Tue Nov 18 08:26:19 2003
From: ssmith at ayrhill.net (Steve Smith)
Date: Tue Nov 18 08:26:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question
Message-ID: <004301c3add7$915d71a0$0a01a8c0@ayrhillwkst1>

Hello,

First, let me say that I love SpamBayes.   No other product I have tried
(and there have been many) is as effective.

However, I do have a recurring issue that I can't seem to resolve.  I have a
program running on another machine which sends email messages to me
periodically.  These messages are always from the same sender ("Ernestine"),
contain *no* message body, contain an attachment (a .WAV file), and have the
same subject ("FW: Voice Mail").  SpamBayes always sends this message to the
"Junk Suspects" folder.  I click "Recover from Spam", but the next time such
a message is received, it too is sent to the "Junk Suspects" folder.  Is it
possible to have SpamBayes IGNORE messages sent from a particular sender, or
in some other way prevent these messages from being sent to "Junk Senders?"

Thanks for a great product!

-Steve

Windows XP Pro
Outlook 2000
SpamBayes binary version 0.81 9/9/03


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Tue Nov 18 08:36:12 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Tue Nov 18 08:37:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question 
In-Reply-To: <004301c3add7$915d71a0$0a01a8c0@ayrhillwkst1> 
Message-ID: <200311181336.hAIDaCRq003719@localhost.localdomain>


> However, I do have a recurring issue that I can't seem to resolve.  I have a
> program running on another machine which sends email messages to me
> periodically.  These messages are always from the same sender ("Ernestine"),
> contain *no* message body, contain an attachment (a .WAV file), and have the
> same subject ("FW: Voice Mail").  SpamBayes always sends this message to the
> "Junk Suspects" folder.  I click "Recover from Spam", but the next time such
> a message is received, it too is sent to the "Junk Suspects" folder.  Is it
> possible to have SpamBayes IGNORE messages sent from a particular sender, or
> in some other way prevent these messages from being sent to "Junk Senders?"

If you look at the spam clues, what does it show? Obviously this message has
some clues that are resulting in it being classed as Unsure.


-- 
Anthony Baxter     <anthony@interlink.com.au>   
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From edrubins at andisplace.com  Tue Nov 18 09:22:25 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Yehudah Rubinsky)
Date: Tue Nov 18 09:22:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re:  Question
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031118091742.00b1fc70@localhost>

Steve Smith wrote:
 >[....]
 >Is it possible to have SpamBayes IGNORE messages sent from a particular 
sender, or
 >in some other way prevent these messages from being sent to "Junk Senders?
Since you're running  Outlook, have you tried filtering them with a normal 
Outlook rule? You may have to set the background processing delay (sorry, I 
don't run Outlook and the plug-in, so I can't tell you exactly how to do 
that) to make sure Outlook filters it first.

Shalom,
Yehudah Rubinsky



From whitey at tramac.com  Tue Nov 18 11:02:01 2003
From: whitey at tramac.com (George LaCasse)
Date: Tue Nov 18 10:57:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Enable SpamBayes???
Message-ID: <NHBBLJLPALCAOHGLBBMHAEFNCAAA.whitey@tramac.com>

It's installed but when I try to Delete a file as spam it is telling me to
"Enable SpamBayes".

How do you do that?

I cannot find anything in the SpamBayes Manager.

George LaCasse      Roanoke, VA


From deane at davenportappraisals.com  Tue Nov 18 11:10:39 2003
From: deane at davenportappraisals.com (Deane Davenport)
Date: Tue Nov 18 11:13:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ??
Message-ID: <5C53A33B3461D049ACC118BFB874510B0C4D85@ac2k01.davenportappraisals.com>

Can I tag more than one file at a time to "Delete as Spam"?  

 

Deane

 

This  message  (including  any  attachments)  is  confidential  and  may
be privileged.  If you have received it by mistake please notify the
sender by return  e-mail  and  delete this message from your system. Any
unauthorized use  or  dissemination  of  this  message  in  whole or in
part is strictly prohibited.  Please  note  that e-mails are susceptible
to change. Appraisers/Consultants, Inc.  (including  its  group
companies)  shall not be liable for the improper  or  incomplete
transmission of the information contained in this communication  nor
for  any delay in its receipt or damage to your system.
Appraisers/Consultants, Inc.  (or its group companies) does not
guarantee that the integrity   of  this  communication  has  been
maintained  nor  that  this communication is free of viruses,
interceptions or interference.

 

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From milton at spine.med.utoronto.ca  Tue Nov 18 11:24:14 2003
From: milton at spine.med.utoronto.ca (Milton Charlton)
Date: Tue Nov 18 11:24:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install problem Outlook 2002// spambayes_addin.dll//other
	addin present
Message-ID: <002401c3adf0$687dff70$08fda8c0@kinase>

My previous complaint referred to Outlook XP when I am actually running
Outlook 2002 in XP Home with all XP and Office 2002 updates installed. 
I am also running a previously installed addin called Sperry Duplicate email
eliminator.  Could that cause a problem?  Sperry says "our software was
tested with a lot of third party add-ins and software.  There are no known
issues of installation problem between those add-ins."

When I try to install Spambayes to Outlook 2002 I get this error that
concerns
the file spambayes_addin.dll: 
Unable to register the DLL/OCX:  DllRegisterServer;failed; code 0x00000000.
Norton anti virus is turned off and Zonealarm is turned off.
The machine is P4 on an Intel motherboard using a Matrox dual monitor card.
Palm Hotsync is running and Pivot software is running.


Milton P. Charlton, Professor
Physiology Department
Medical Science Building RM.# 3308
University of Toronto
1 King's College Circle
Toronto, ON, M5S1A8
Canada
tel:  416-978-6355
fax:  416-978-4940
milton@spine.med.utoronto.ca



From bbarnes at encompass-ts.com  Tue Nov 18 11:48:07 2003
From: bbarnes at encompass-ts.com (Ben Barnes)
Date: Tue Nov 18 11:48:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: <0B66FA446CBE5D4CBE3B1812F0C4018ABAF24E@pdxex01.encompass-ts.com>

When I click the SpamBayes icon in outlook, the drop down menu is a 2cm
by 2cm square which is blank... this just started when I retbooted my
box...
any clue?
From oscanuch at prolog.net  Tue Nov 18 14:35:49 2003
From: oscanuch at prolog.net (oscanuch@prolog.net)
Date: Tue Nov 18 14:28:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question - Deleted mail not coming of the server (Win
	2000)
Message-ID: <EHEPIENMCCFAFGECGHMNGEBECPAA.oscanuch@prolog.net>

Hi,

    I have been using your latest version of Spambayes for a few weeks now
to manage the junk mail on several of my PC's that run Outlook.  I have
noticed that the mail I am deleting as junk mail is staying on the pop
server.  If I stop Spambayes and delete the messages manually I see no such
delay.  I am familiar with my outlook settings and have confirmed that all
messages deleted from the filtered pop accounts are set to be removed from
the server when the deleted items folder is emptied.  Can you give me some
advise to correct this delay problem?

Thanks,

Michael.


From tommy at ilm.com  Tue Nov 18 14:33:42 2003
From: tommy at ilm.com (Tommy Burnette)
Date: Tue Nov 18 14:33:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
In-Reply-To: <16307.58409.581150.801884@evoke.lucasdigital.com>
References: <16307.58409.581150.801884@evoke.lucasdigital.com>
Message-ID: <16314.29718.355927.546956@evoke.lucasdigital.com>


Hi Again,

it's been a few days since I sent this...  if there are no options for
keeping this from happening, perhaps someone can point me to where I
can change it in my own copy of the source?

thanks again,


Tommy Burnette writes:
| Hi Folks,
| 
| I've been very happily using spambayes with xemacs & vim for about a
| month now.  When the latest version was announced I switched right up
| to it, but since then I've noticed a behaviour in sb_mboxtrain.py that
| is a bit of a pain. (no idea if this is new or not, I just notcied it
| recently).
| 
| basically, when sb_mboxtrain.py rewrites the mbox to include its
| "X-Spambayes-Trained: ham" lines, it is re-formatting the mail
| headers.  This wreaks havoc on the display in vm's summary mode and is
| a bit of a pain to fix.  
| 
| e.g. this line in a mail header:
| 
| X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
| 	["31722" "Tue" "12" "November" "2002" "15:05:56" "-0800" "Gayle Peterson" "gayle@lucasdigital.com" nil "457" "2003 Holiday Schedule" "^From:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil]
| 	nil)
| 
| is being transformed into this:
| 	
| X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil]
| 	["31722" "Tue" "12" "November" "2002" "15:05:56" "-0800" "Gayle
| 	Peterson" "gayle@lucasdigital.com" nil "457" "2003 Holiday
| 	Schedule" "^From:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil nil] nil)
| 
| which, while neatly formatted, has introduced newlines into places
| like the From name, etc. and makes them display as:
| 
| From: Gayle
| Peterson  Subject: 2003 Holiday
| Schedule
| 
| instead of:
| 
| From: Gayle Peterson  Subject: 2003 Holiday Schedule
| 
| in vm.  is there an option to either make sb_mboxtrain.py not rewrite
| the mbox file, or at least make it not re-format when it does?
| 
| thanks in advance,
| 
| 
| _______________________________________________
| Spambayes@python.org
| http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
| Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Nov 18 15:03:57 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Nov 18 15:04:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
In-Reply-To: <16314.29718.355927.546956@evoke.lucasdigital.com>
References: <16307.58409.581150.801884@evoke.lucasdigital.com>
	<16314.29718.355927.546956@evoke.lucasdigital.com>
Message-ID: <16314.31533.853719.484196@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tommy> it's been a few days since I sent this...  if there are no
    Tommy> options for keeping this from happening, perhaps someone can
    Tommy> point me to where I can change it in my own copy of the source?

Tommy,

I would have thought someone with stronger credentials in this area would
have responded, so I didn't respond to your original post.  I think the
place you need to look for this is in the email package, probably starting
with the Generator module.  Depending what version of Python you're using,
that will have either come with your Python distro or be one that you
downloaded (to get a recent enough version for SpamBayes' use).  I suspect
it doesn't pay attention to headers which were already folded when it parses
the message headers.

If/when you find bugs, you probably will want to post them to (at least) the
mimelib SF project, and possibly the Python bugs page as well.

Skip

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 18 15:09:37 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov 18 15:10:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question - Deleted mail not coming of the server
	(Win2000)
In-Reply-To: <EHEPIENMCCFAFGECGHMNGEBECPAA.oscanuch@prolog.net>
Message-ID: <E1AMCBW-0003Xc-8K@mail.python.org>

oscanuch@prolog.net wrote:
>     I have been using your latest version of Spambayes for a few
> weeks now to manage the junk mail on several of my PC's that run
> Outlook.  I have noticed that the mail I am deleting as junk mail is
> staying on the pop server.  If I stop Spambayes and delete the
> messages manually I see no such delay.  I am familiar with my outlook
> settings and have confirmed that all messages deleted from the
> filtered pop accounts are set to be removed from the server when the
> deleted items folder is emptied.  Can you give me some advise to
> correct this delay problem? 

SpamBayes does not put items that it classifies as spam, or items that
you delete as spam via the toolbar, into the Deleted Items folder.  They
are moved to a "quarantine" folder, and you can find the name of this
folder by looking on the Filtering tab in SpamBayes Manager.

If you have Outlook configured to only remove messages from your POP
server when Deleted Items is emptied, then you first need to delete the
spam messages from the quarantine folder before you empty Deleted Items.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From rayc at wolfagency.com  Tue Nov 18 15:09:47 2003
From: rayc at wolfagency.com (Ray Caputo)
Date: Tue Nov 18 15:11:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Folder Problem
Message-ID: <NGBBIAOMMLCBAPMHLAEJGEANCHAA.rayc@wolfagency.com>

I've loaded SpamBayes and processed over 2,000 e-mails. Today I decided to
delete the contents of the "junk" folder, but deleted the folder itself.
I've added a new "junk" folder, but when I try to move an e-mail from the
"suspect" folder  to it, I get a message that the Spam folder needs to be
configured. How do I do this?
Thanks.

Ray Caputo, President
Wolf Agency Inc.
From rayc at wolfagency.com  Tue Nov 18 15:15:41 2003
From: rayc at wolfagency.com (Ray Caputo)
Date: Tue Nov 18 15:17:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Folder problem
Message-ID: <NGBBIAOMMLCBAPMHLAEJCEAOCHAA.rayc@wolfagency.com>

Please ignore the previous message, I figured out how to configure the
folder  just after I sent the message.

Thanks.

Ray Caputo, President
Wolf Agency Inc.
From sdarisi at imap2.asu.edu  Tue Nov 18 16:13:40 2003
From: sdarisi at imap2.asu.edu (Sanjay Darisi)
Date: Tue Nov 18 16:06:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
Message-ID: <3FBA8B84.1090309@imap2.asu.edu>

[Sanjay]
>/ I know how to do this manually. But I would like to do it in addin
/>/ itself. Like after installing the addin it has to append a signature
/>/ to every outgoing email. How can I do this?
/
[Richie]
> That's a strange requirement - what do you want the signature to say, if
> you don't mind me asking?

Just like that, Like spambayes is protecting my inbox...How to do that?

sanjay

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 18 17:21:00 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 18 17:18:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206559@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B141@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[...]
> If/when you find bugs, you probably will want to post them to 
> (at least) the mimelib SF project, and possibly the Python 
> bugs page as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mimelib SF project basically closed
now?  I think that bugs are meant to be reported via the Python bugs page,
and probably discussed on the email-sig
(http://www.python.org/sigs/email-sig).

=Tony Meyer


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Nov 18 17:20:35 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Nov 18 17:20:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B141@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206559@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B141@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <16314.39731.23362.800676@montanaro.dyndns.org>

>>>>> "Tony" == Tony Meyer <tameyer@ihug.co.nz> writes:

    Tony> [...]
    >> If/when you find bugs, you probably will want to post them to (at
    >> least) the mimelib SF project, and possibly the Python bugs page as
    >> well.

    Tony> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mimelib SF project
    Tony> basically closed now?  I think that bugs are meant to be reported
    Tony> via the Python bugs page, and probably discussed on the email-sig
    Tony> (http://www.python.org/sigs/email-sig).

Could be.  Barry's the authority on that (cc'd).

Skip

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 18 17:38:34 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 18 17:37:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] ??
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13042064BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B145@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Can I tag more than one file at a time to "Delete as Spam"?  

Yes.

Hint:  The easy way to find this out would have simply been to try it.
You'd find that it works.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 18 17:47:30 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 18 17:44:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to tell SpamBayes to check more headers (using
	MSOplugin)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130415C8EB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Is there a way, without hacking the source, to tell SpamBayes 
> to examine more of the headers in mails? In particular these 
> ones, added by SpamAssassin and SpamCop Mail:

You can add to the 'safe_headers' option (in the 'Tokenizer' section).  This
means that you'll get tokens generated indicated the number of times a
header line appears in the mail (so you'd get a "header:x-spam-level:1"
token, for example), and possibly (depending on your settings), a token if
the header is absent (like "noheader:x-spam-status").

> X-Spam-Level: *********
> X-Spam-Status: hits=9.7 tests=ADDR_NUMS_AT_BIGSITE,BIZ_TLD,
> 	DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,
> 	MSGID_FROM_MTA_HOTMAIL,USERPASS version=2.60
> X-SpamCop-Disposition: Blocked bl.spamcop.net

However, if these headers appear for both ham and spam, and it's just the
contents of the headers that varies, then this isn't going to do you much
good.  In that case, you'd have to add code to tokenizer.py (in the
tokenize_headers function) to add specific tokens for SpamAssassin and
SpamCop.  (If you do, please submit a patch).

There has been discussion of this sort of thing before (googling though the
archives would probably find it easily enough); IIRC, there were arguments
that the classifications should stay separate, and it would be more
effective to have a final rule based on a combination of the
classifications.

> I'm using the Outlook plugin if that makes a difference.

It means that you change your (low-level) options via the
default_bayes_customize.ini file in your data directory (not the one in the
program files directory).

=Tony Meyer


From richie at entrian.com  Tue Nov 18 18:13:13 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue Nov 18 18:13:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
In-Reply-To: <3FBA8B84.1090309@imap2.asu.edu>
References: <3FBA8B84.1090309@imap2.asu.edu>
Message-ID: <aq9lrvgnjinq69sp94dacb34mgrjpa70m0@4ax.com>


[Sanjay]
> [...] after installing the addin it has to append a signature
> to every outgoing email. How can I do this?

[Richie]
> That's a strange requirement - what do you want the signature to say, if
> you don't mind me asking?

[Sanjay]
> Just like that, Like spambayes is protecting my inbox...How to do that?

Yay, free advertising for us!  8-)  Sadly I have no idea how you can do
this.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From gflakus at sccd.ctc.edu  Tue Nov 18 19:22:29 2003
From: gflakus at sccd.ctc.edu (Flakus, Gayle)
Date: Tue Nov 18 19:19:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Recall: Missing e-mail
Message-ID: <4B73F518F0F98A4EA67DDAA3DB84941A0119F1DB@SCCDMAIL.SCCD.CTC.EDU>

Flakus, Gayle would like to recall the message, "Missing e-mail".
From tommy at ilm.com  Tue Nov 18 20:20:38 2003
From: tommy at ilm.com (Tommy Burnette)
Date: Tue Nov 18 20:20:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
In-Reply-To: <16314.39731.23362.800676@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206559@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B141@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<16314.39731.23362.800676@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <16314.50534.892315.807354@evoke.lucasdigital.com>


Luckily I've known him long enough that I just email him directly
immediately after I heard from you, Skip :)

thanks,

Skip Montanaro writes:
| >>>>> "Tony" == Tony Meyer <tameyer@ihug.co.nz> writes:
| 
|     Tony> [...]
|     >> If/when you find bugs, you probably will want to post them to (at
|     >> least) the mimelib SF project, and possibly the Python bugs page as
|     >> well.
| 
|     Tony> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mimelib SF project
|     Tony> basically closed now?  I think that bugs are meant to be reported
|     Tony> via the Python bugs page, and probably discussed on the email-sig
|     Tony> (http://www.python.org/sigs/email-sig).
| 
| Could be.  Barry's the authority on that (cc'd).
| 
| Skip


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 18 21:03:58 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 18 21:01:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13042065DB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29D6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Sanjay]
> [...] after installing the addin it has to append a 
> signature to every outgoing email. How can I do this?
 
[Richie]
> That's a strange requirement - what do you want the 
> signature to say, if you don't mind me asking?
 
[Sanjay]
> Just like that, Like spambayes is protecting my inbox...How to do 
> that?

[Richie] 
> Yay, free advertising for us!  8-)  Sadly I have no idea how 
> you can do this.

The SpamBayes Outlook plug-in doesn't touch outgoing mail at all, so this
isn't a simple task at all.  If you're familiar with MAPI/Outlook and Python
you could probably add this to the plug-in, but it'll probably be a fair bit
of work.  (You *might* be able to 'watch' the Outbox and alter messages that
appear in there before they actually get sent, but I don't really know if
this would work, or if there would be a better way).  Googling for
information about doing this with Outlook would probably come up with stuff,
and then you could integrate it into the plug-in refering to the existing
code.

All-in-all, though, it would be a hundred times (at least) simpler to just
use Outlook's existing tools to add a signature.  Is there any reason you
can't do that?

=Tony Meyer


From barry at python.org  Tue Nov 18 21:02:48 2003
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue Nov 18 21:02:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
In-Reply-To: <16314.39731.23362.800676@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206559@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B141@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<16314.39731.23362.800676@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1069207367.23962.19.camel@anthem>

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 17:20, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> >>>>> "Tony" == Tony Meyer <tameyer@ihug.co.nz> writes:
> 
>     Tony> [...]
>     >> If/when you find bugs, you probably will want to post them to (at
>     >> least) the mimelib SF project, and possibly the Python bugs page as
>     >> well.
> 
>     Tony> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mimelib SF project
>     Tony> basically closed now?  I think that bugs are meant to be reported
>     Tony> via the Python bugs page, and probably discussed on the email-sig
>     Tony> (http://www.python.org/sigs/email-sig).
> 
> Could be.  Barry's the authority on that (cc'd).

Tony's right on both counts, but ever since Tommy secretly embedded that
tiny image of me in The Hulk's navel, I've owed him one.

I'll reply to Tommy's private message, and he's free to forward it
along.

-Barry



From rayparker at sasktel.net  Tue Nov 18 22:09:39 2003
From: rayparker at sasktel.net (Raymond Parker)
Date: Tue Nov 18 22:11:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
Message-ID: <000801c3ae4a$9b5d45e0$43e16e40@e7r8x3>

Am I correct in inferring that this system will not work on Outlook Express?
From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 18 22:17:37 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 18 22:15:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130420665B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B14B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Am I correct in inferring that this system will not work on 
> Outlook Express?

No.  See:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-
express>

=Tony Meyer


From jmcatee at mediaodyssey.com  Tue Nov 18 22:53:45 2003
From: jmcatee at mediaodyssey.com (Jim McAtee)
Date: Tue Nov 18 22:53:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B14B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <057801c3ae50$bcc04600$1c03a8c0@jim>

Somewhere in the documentation, probably for the POP3 proxy, it's stated that
the forwarding (to the SMTP proxy) method of training the server doesn't work
with Outlook Express because OE may not forward all headers.  I was wondering
if anyone has reviewed this lately for the most recent version(s) of Outlook
Express to see if it's still a valid statement.  And what are the problems
caused in the training when these headers are lost?  I'd like to use this
method to do the occasional training of Spambayes, unless it's unwise.

I get over 1000 messages a day (mostly from technical mailing lists) with
about 30% spam.  Using the 'Review messages' web page with cached messages is
getting more and more unworkable with this volume of mail.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer@ihug.co.nz>
To: "'Raymond Parker'" <rayparker@sasktel.net>; <spambayes@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] outlook express


> Am I correct in inferring that this system will not work on
> Outlook Express?

No.  See:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-
express>

=Tony Meyer


From kjirstin at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 18 23:56:33 2003
From: kjirstin at earthlink.net (kjirstin@earthlink.net)
Date: Tue Nov 18 23:56:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!
Message-ID: <KMEGLJHMGFPNACLPAINCIEPGCFAA.kjirstin@earthlink.net>

I am totally right-brained, and I HATE THIS PROGRAM!!!

My darling husband installed it, then he went out of town!!!

All I need is a simple way of moving my mail that isn?t spam, but that your
program thinks is spam, into  my email, so I can respond to it.  This should
be fairly simple.  It is impossible!  I?ve tried adding the address to my
address book, which you have now changed the name to ?contacts?.  This is
not working, even when I type it?cut and paste is totally impossible.

Many of these emails are from companies I do work for, and I must respond in
24 hours or lose the job!

Help!

k-

P.S. A yellow smiley face showed up once that allowed me to capture two of
my emails, but I can?t seem to get it back.


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Nov 19 00:52:05 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Nov 19 00:49:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130420667D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29DA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Somewhere in the documentation, probably for the POP3 proxy, 
> it's stated that the forwarding (to the SMTP proxy) method of 
> training the server doesn't work with Outlook Express because 
> OE may not forward all headers.  I was wondering if anyone 
> has reviewed this lately for the most recent version(s) of 
> Outlook Express to see if it's still a valid statement.

Yes, it is definitely still valid.  Realistically, it probably always will
be - Microsoft doesn't really have any reason to improve OE; it's only there
to give people a free option - if you want something good (sic?), you need
Outlook.  The only way around this that I can see is once again offer to
include the spambayes id in the message body (which is included in forwarded
messages, obviously).  This is particularly inelegant, though, and at the
time it was removed (because it didn't really fit when code was refactored),
not all that many people used the SMTP proxy.

> And what are the problems caused in the training when these 
> headers are lost?

The spambayes id is not included (it's one of the headers added by the
proxy), so spambayes can't find the message in the cache to do the
appropriate training.  You could manually add write the id into the message
body, but that seems like it would be even less convenient.

The SMTP proxy can simply train on the raw message forwarded to it, rather
than looking up the message in the cache, but this will more than likely
result in poor training - for example, all messages will be 'from' you, and
all the useful data in the headers will be unavailable for training.

> I'd like to use this method to do the 
> occasional training of Spambayes, unless it's unwise.

It is definitely unwise.

> I get over 1000 messages a day (mostly from technical mailing 
> lists) with about 30% spam.  Using the 'Review messages' web 
> page with cached messages is getting more and more unworkable 
> with this volume of mail.

Do you still need to train?  I would have thought that you'd get pretty
acceptable results quite quickly with that volume of mail.  On positive
notes:

 * Versions of spambayes post-1.0 have additional options for reviewing
messages via the web interface.  In particular, you can limit the number of
messages that appear on one screen (maybe this made it into 1.0a7?), and you
can change the default training for messages classified as ham/spam/unsure.

 * I really will finish the sb_pop3dnd.py script soon.  This lets you do
drag'n'drop training in any mailer that lets you drag'n'drop mail between
accounts, and works with both POP3 and IMAP (this includes OE).  The main
reason it's taken so long to finish is that Twisted's (a communications
toolkit for Python) imap support has been pretty poor, and extremely
volatile - hopefully that has changed by now.

There are probably other ways you could train, too.  For example, if you are
only training on a small percentage of mail (which is presumably the case),
then you could store copies of mail to be trained in a couple of folders
specifically for the task.  Once in a while (every week, say), you could use
the web interface to train on the folder's dbx file, clear out the folder,
and train that way.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Nov 19 00:59:40 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Nov 19 00:57:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206697@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29DB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I am totally right-brained, and I HATE THIS PROGRAM!!!
> My darling husband installed it, then he went out of town!!!

I think your displeasure is aimed at the wrong thing here <wink>.

> All I need is a simple way of moving my mail that isn't spam, 
> but that your program thinks is spam, into  my email, so I 
> can respond to it.

It sounds like you're using Outlook - (i.e. at the top of the mail program's
window, it will end with "Microsoft Outlook"); if that's not the case, then
much of this will be incorrect.

If the mail is classified as spam, it will be moved to a different folder.
Once it's there, though, you can treat it like any other mail, including
replying to it (just like you would any other mail).  However, to teach the
program that it is in fact good mail, you should be able find the little
yellow face you mentioned (with "Recover from Spam" next to it) and click on
that, which will move the (hilited) message back to it's original folder.
This button should be up in the toolbars somewhere (exactly where depends on
your setup).  If you can't see it, maybe it's hidden in a drop-down menu on
the toolbar?  (it would have a little down arrow at the end of the toolbar).

> I've tried adding the address to my address book, which
> you have now changed the name to "contacts".  

This is quite confusing!  Adding the address book to what?  SpamBayes
doesn't use the address book at all, so whatever it is, that won't help with
anything.  We don't change the name, either, so that's as a result of
something else (the address book should still be there under the 'Tools'
menu).

One thing that does spring to mind as a possibility is that your husband
changed you from using "Outlook Express" to "Outlook" (OE lists addresses
under "Address Book", or something like that, whereas Outlook does have a
"Contacts" folder).  In that case, then the real issue is getting used to a
new mail program - it should be mostly like the old one, though, and the
program help might be of use.

=Tony Meyer


From Mark.Howells at softoption.com  Wed Nov 19 04:43:11 2003
From: Mark.Howells at softoption.com (Mark Howells)
Date: Wed Nov 19 04:44:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install problem Outlook 2002//
	spambayes_addin.dll//otheraddin present
Message-ID: <5846CF419D2EF5439036CC3126A3A995017B39@SOSERVER1.softoption.local>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Milton Charlton [mailto:milton@spine.med.utoronto.ca]
> Sent: 18 November 2003 16:24
>
> When I try to install Spambayes to Outlook 2002 I get this error that
> concerns
> the file spambayes_addin.dll: 
> Unable to register the DLL/OCX:  DllRegisterServer;failed; 
> code 0x00000000.

I routinely get this (on XP) and each time I immediately re-install and the install works.

YMMV

Mark Howells

-- 
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 7.0.195 / Virus Database: 261.2.0 - Release Date: 11/18/2003
 

From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Wed Nov 19 06:54:24 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed Nov 19 06:54:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
Message-ID: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>

Hi,

whenever I untrain a spam message accidantly trained as ham, by
database gets corrupted. I get the following error message:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 203, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 199, in main
    action(msg)
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 132, in filter
    return h.filter(msg)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 109, in filter
    prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 38, in _scoremsg
    return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 158, in chi2_spamprob
    clues = self._getclues(wordstream)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 395, in _getclues
    prob = self.probability(record)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 242, in probability
    assert hamcount <= nham
AssertionError

It makes no difference whether I use DataBase or pickle format.
Is there any solution apart from restarting the whole database?
This would mean I would have to restart the whole database after
each erroneous training. The latter is what I'm doing now :(

yours,
Gerrit.

-- 
Asperger Syndroom - een persoonlijke benadering:
	http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/
Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet:
	http://www.sp.nl/

From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Wed Nov 19 06:59:03 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed Nov 19 06:59:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <20031119115903.GA4549@nl.linux.org>

Gerrit Holl wrote:
> whenever I untrain a spam message accidantly trained as ham, my
> database gets corrupted. I get the following error message:

Some extra information: 

12:58:03:8409:gerrit@topjaklont:~$ python /home/gerrit/cvs/spambayes/utilities/which_database.py
Pickle is available.
Dumbdbm is available.
Dbhash is available.
Bsddb[3] is available.

Your storage /home/gerrit/hammie.db is a: bsddb[3]

yours,
Gerrit.

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From dreed at srdcorp.com  Wed Nov 19 08:47:16 2003
From: dreed at srdcorp.com (Reed, David)
Date: Wed Nov 19 08:50:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <4C542552EF434E43B2F2572854A73CBD6F712B@corp-mail1.srdcorp.com>

 
Hi Everyone,

I attended the Microsoft Product Launch for Office 2003 yesterday, and
came right back to work and installed the new version of Office on my
test system at work.

I'm pleased to report that the SpamBayes plug-in (current version), .81,
seems to be working flawlessly with Outlook 2003, in a
Corporate/Workgroup mode.

Regards,

David Reed

From dreed at srdcorp.com  Wed Nov 19 08:47:55 2003
From: dreed at srdcorp.com (Reed, David)
Date: Wed Nov 19 08:51:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [REPOST] Spambayes Outlook Plugin (Latest) unresponsive
Message-ID: <4C542552EF434E43B2F2572854A73CBD6F712C@corp-mail1.srdcorp.com>

Hi All,

I installed the SpamBayes Outlook plugin several months ago for our
Company President.  It's been working, mostly, since then.  Oh sure, a
few times it has stopped working, and I'd go fix it.

Well, today it stopped working.  I upgraded it to the latest Outlook
Plugin (.081?), and retrained it.  However, it still isn't responding.
I uninstalled it and reinstalled it.  Still not change.  No response.  I
can't even select an email and "DELETE AS SPAM", because it just
doesn't.  It's totally unresponsive to anything.

It only seems to be his computer (the Company President, naturally, who
isn't a computer guy at all, so he has NO patience for computer
problems), and I am seemingly powerless to do anything about it.

Has anyone else got any idea what might be wrong?  Like I say, I've
deleted it and reinstalled it, I've upgraded it, and I've retrained it
already.  I can't select an email and DELETE AS SPAM either.

All ideas and suggestions welcome!

Thanks,

David

From mlacrosse at nmcaa.org  Wed Nov 19 09:06:39 2003
From: mlacrosse at nmcaa.org (Matthew LaCrosse)
Date: Wed Nov 19 09:07:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Almost everything goes to Junk Suspects even after
	training.
In-Reply-To: <E1AMOt2-0001mx-RU@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <FIEJKOAAFBLLDKGJMGHMAEIJCAAA.mlacrosse@nmcaa.org>

I can't seem to figure out why it keeps sending almost everything to Junk
Suspects even after doing "Recover from Spam" it does send it to my inbox
but it never seems to learn what it is that always should go to the Inbox.
Any ideas?

Matt
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of spambayes-request@python.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:45 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Spambayes Digest, Vol 63, Issue 48

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Today's Topics:

   1. Recall: Missing e-mail (Flakus, Gayle)
   2. RE: sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email? (Tommy Burnette)
   3. RE: Few quick questions! (Tony Meyer)
   4. RE: sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email? (Barry Warsaw)
   5. outlook express (Raymond Parker)
   6. RE: outlook express (Tony Meyer)
   7. Re: outlook express (Jim McAtee)
   8. Help! (kjirstin@earthlink.net)
   9. RE: outlook express (Tony Meyer)
  10. RE: Help! (Tony Meyer)
  11. RE: Install problem Outlook 2002//
      spambayes_addin.dll//otheraddin present (Mark Howells)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:22:29 -0800
From: "Flakus, Gayle" <gflakus@sccd.ctc.edu>
Subject: [Spambayes] Recall: Missing e-mail
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID:
        <4B73F518F0F98A4EA67DDAA3DB84941A0119F1DB@SCCDMAIL.SCCD.CTC.EDU>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

Flakus, Gayle would like to recall the message, "Missing e-mail".


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:20:38 -0800
From: Tommy Burnette <tommy@ilm.com>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
To: skip@pobox.com
Cc: barry@python.org, spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <16314.50534.892315.807354@evoke.lucasdigital.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


Luckily I've known him long enough that I just email him directly
immediately after I heard from you, Skip :)

thanks,

Skip Montanaro writes:
| >>>>> "Tony" == Tony Meyer <tameyer@ihug.co.nz> writes:
|
|     Tony> [...]
|     >> If/when you find bugs, you probably will want to post them to (at
|     >> least) the mimelib SF project, and possibly the Python bugs page as
|     >> well.
|
|     Tony> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mimelib SF project
|     Tony> basically closed now?  I think that bugs are meant to be
reported
|     Tony> via the Python bugs page, and probably discussed on the
email-sig
|     Tony> (http://www.python.org/sigs/email-sig).
|
| Could be.  Barry's the authority on that (cc'd).
|
| Skip




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:03:58 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID:
        <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29D6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"

[Sanjay]
> [...] after installing the addin it has to append a
> signature to every outgoing email. How can I do this?

[Richie]
> That's a strange requirement - what do you want the
> signature to say, if you don't mind me asking?

[Sanjay]
> Just like that, Like spambayes is protecting my inbox...How to do
> that?

[Richie]
> Yay, free advertising for us!  8-)  Sadly I have no idea how
> you can do this.

The SpamBayes Outlook plug-in doesn't touch outgoing mail at all, so this
isn't a simple task at all.  If you're familiar with MAPI/Outlook and Python
you could probably add this to the plug-in, but it'll probably be a fair bit
of work.  (You *might* be able to 'watch' the Outbox and alter messages that
appear in there before they actually get sent, but I don't really know if
this would work, or if there would be a better way).  Googling for
information about doing this with Outlook would probably come up with stuff,
and then you could integrate it into the plug-in refering to the existing
code.

All-in-all, though, it would be a hundred times (at least) simpler to just
use Outlook's existing tools to add a signature.  Is there any reason you
can't do that?

=Tony Meyer




------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:02:48 -0500
From: Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] sb_mboxtrain.py reformatting email?
To: Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com>
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <1069207367.23962.19.camel@anthem>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 17:20, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> >>>>> "Tony" == Tony Meyer <tameyer@ihug.co.nz> writes:
>
>     Tony> [...]
>     >> If/when you find bugs, you probably will want to post them to (at
>     >> least) the mimelib SF project, and possibly the Python bugs page as
>     >> well.
>
>     Tony> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mimelib SF project
>     Tony> basically closed now?  I think that bugs are meant to be
reported
>     Tony> via the Python bugs page, and probably discussed on the
email-sig
>     Tony> (http://www.python.org/sigs/email-sig).
>
> Could be.  Barry's the authority on that (cc'd).

Tony's right on both counts, but ever since Tommy secretly embedded that
tiny image of me in The Hulk's navel, I've owed him one.

I'll reply to Tommy's private message, and he's free to forward it
along.

-Barry





------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:09:39 -0600
From: Raymond Parker <rayparker@sasktel.net>
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
To: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <000801c3ae4a$9b5d45e0$43e16e40@e7r8x3>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Am I correct in inferring that this system will not work on Outlook Express?


------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:17:37 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] outlook express
To: "'Raymond Parker'" <rayparker@sasktel.net>, <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID:
        <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B14B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"

> Am I correct in inferring that this system will not work on
> Outlook Express?

No.  See:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-
express>

=Tony Meyer




------------------------------

Message: 7
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:53:45 -0700
From: "Jim McAtee" <jmcatee@mediaodyssey.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] outlook express
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <057801c3ae50$bcc04600$1c03a8c0@jim>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

Somewhere in the documentation, probably for the POP3 proxy, it's stated
that
the forwarding (to the SMTP proxy) method of training the server doesn't
work
with Outlook Express because OE may not forward all headers.  I was
wondering
if anyone has reviewed this lately for the most recent version(s) of Outlook
Express to see if it's still a valid statement.  And what are the problems
caused in the training when these headers are lost?  I'd like to use this
method to do the occasional training of Spambayes, unless it's unwise.

I get over 1000 messages a day (mostly from technical mailing lists) with
about 30% spam.  Using the 'Review messages' web page with cached messages
is
getting more and more unworkable with this volume of mail.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer@ihug.co.nz>
To: "'Raymond Parker'" <rayparker@sasktel.net>; <spambayes@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] outlook express


> Am I correct in inferring that this system will not work on
> Outlook Express?

No.  See:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-
express>

=Tony Meyer




------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:56:33 -0700
From: kjirstin@earthlink.net
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!
To: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <KMEGLJHMGFPNACLPAINCIEPGCFAA.kjirstin@earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="Windows-1252"

I am totally right-brained, and I HATE THIS PROGRAM!!!

My darling husband installed it, then he went out of town!!!

All I need is a simple way of moving my mail that isnt spam, but that your
program thinks is spam, into  my email, so I can respond to it.  This should
be fairly simple.  It is impossible!  Ive tried adding the address to my
address book, which you have now changed the name to contacts.  This is
not working, even when I type itcut and paste is totally impossible.

Many of these emails are from companies I do work for, and I must respond in
24 hours or lose the job!

Help!

k-

P.S. A yellow smiley face showed up once that allowed me to capture two of
my emails, but I cant seem to get it back.




------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:52:05 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] outlook express
To: "'Jim McAtee'" <jmcatee@mediaodyssey.com>, <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID:
        <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29DA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"

> Somewhere in the documentation, probably for the POP3 proxy,
> it's stated that the forwarding (to the SMTP proxy) method of
> training the server doesn't work with Outlook Express because
> OE may not forward all headers.  I was wondering if anyone
> has reviewed this lately for the most recent version(s) of
> Outlook Express to see if it's still a valid statement.

Yes, it is definitely still valid.  Realistically, it probably always will
be - Microsoft doesn't really have any reason to improve OE; it's only there
to give people a free option - if you want something good (sic?), you need
Outlook.  The only way around this that I can see is once again offer to
include the spambayes id in the message body (which is included in forwarded
messages, obviously).  This is particularly inelegant, though, and at the
time it was removed (because it didn't really fit when code was refactored),
not all that many people used the SMTP proxy.

> And what are the problems caused in the training when these
> headers are lost?

The spambayes id is not included (it's one of the headers added by the
proxy), so spambayes can't find the message in the cache to do the
appropriate training.  You could manually add write the id into the message
body, but that seems like it would be even less convenient.

The SMTP proxy can simply train on the raw message forwarded to it, rather
than looking up the message in the cache, but this will more than likely
result in poor training - for example, all messages will be 'from' you, and
all the useful data in the headers will be unavailable for training.

> I'd like to use this method to do the
> occasional training of Spambayes, unless it's unwise.

It is definitely unwise.

> I get over 1000 messages a day (mostly from technical mailing
> lists) with about 30% spam.  Using the 'Review messages' web
> page with cached messages is getting more and more unworkable
> with this volume of mail.

Do you still need to train?  I would have thought that you'd get pretty
acceptable results quite quickly with that volume of mail.  On positive
notes:

 * Versions of spambayes post-1.0 have additional options for reviewing
messages via the web interface.  In particular, you can limit the number of
messages that appear on one screen (maybe this made it into 1.0a7?), and you
can change the default training for messages classified as ham/spam/unsure.

 * I really will finish the sb_pop3dnd.py script soon.  This lets you do
drag'n'drop training in any mailer that lets you drag'n'drop mail between
accounts, and works with both POP3 and IMAP (this includes OE).  The main
reason it's taken so long to finish is that Twisted's (a communications
toolkit for Python) imap support has been pretty poor, and extremely
volatile - hopefully that has changed by now.

There are probably other ways you could train, too.  For example, if you are
only training on a small percentage of mail (which is presumably the case),
then you could store copies of mail to be trained in a couple of folders
specifically for the task.  Once in a while (every week, say), you could use
the web interface to train on the folder's dbx file, clear out the folder,
and train that way.

=Tony Meyer




------------------------------

Message: 10
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:59:40 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Help!
To: <kjirstin@earthlink.net>, <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID:
        <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29DB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"

> I am totally right-brained, and I HATE THIS PROGRAM!!!
> My darling husband installed it, then he went out of town!!!

I think your displeasure is aimed at the wrong thing here <wink>.

> All I need is a simple way of moving my mail that isn't spam,
> but that your program thinks is spam, into  my email, so I
> can respond to it.

It sounds like you're using Outlook - (i.e. at the top of the mail program's
window, it will end with "Microsoft Outlook"); if that's not the case, then
much of this will be incorrect.

If the mail is classified as spam, it will be moved to a different folder.
Once it's there, though, you can treat it like any other mail, including
replying to it (just like you would any other mail).  However, to teach the
program that it is in fact good mail, you should be able find the little
yellow face you mentioned (with "Recover from Spam" next to it) and click on
that, which will move the (hilited) message back to it's original folder.
This button should be up in the toolbars somewhere (exactly where depends on
your setup).  If you can't see it, maybe it's hidden in a drop-down menu on
the toolbar?  (it would have a little down arrow at the end of the toolbar).

> I've tried adding the address to my address book, which
> you have now changed the name to "contacts".

This is quite confusing!  Adding the address book to what?  SpamBayes
doesn't use the address book at all, so whatever it is, that won't help with
anything.  We don't change the name, either, so that's as a result of
something else (the address book should still be there under the 'Tools'
menu).

One thing that does spring to mind as a possibility is that your husband
changed you from using "Outlook Express" to "Outlook" (OE lists addresses
under "Address Book", or something like that, whereas Outlook does have a
"Contacts" folder).  In that case, then the real issue is getting used to a
new mail program - it should be mostly like the old one, though, and the
program help might be of use.

=Tony Meyer




------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:43:11 -0000
From: "Mark Howells" <Mark.Howells@softoption.com>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Install problem Outlook 2002//
        spambayes_addin.dll//otheraddin present
To: <milton@spine.med.utoronto.ca>,     <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID:
        <5846CF419D2EF5439036CC3126A3A995017B39@SOSERVER1.softoption.local>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Milton Charlton [mailto:milton@spine.med.utoronto.ca]
> Sent: 18 November 2003 16:24
>
> When I try to install Spambayes to Outlook 2002 I get this error that
> concerns
> the file spambayes_addin.dll:
> Unable to register the DLL/OCX:  DllRegisterServer;failed;
> code 0x00000000.

I routinely get this (on XP) and each time I immediately re-install and the
install works.

YMMV

Mark Howells

--
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 7.0.195 / Virus Database: 261.2.0 - Release Date: 11/18/2003




------------------------------

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End of Spambayes Digest, Vol 63, Issue 48
*****************************************



From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Wed Nov 19 09:08:35 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Wed Nov 19 09:09:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <3FBB7963.5070308@videotron.ca>

Hi,

>Hi,
>
>whenever I untrain a spam message accidantly trained as ham, by
>database gets corrupted. I get the following error message:
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 203, in ?
>    main()
>  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 199, in main
>    action(msg)
>  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 132, in filter
>    return h.filter(msg)
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 109, in filter
>    prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True)
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 38, in _scoremsg
>    return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence)
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 158, in chi2_spamprob
>    clues = self._getclues(wordstream)
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 395, in _getclues
>    prob = self.probability(record)
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 242, in probability
>    assert hamcount <= nham
>AssertionError
>  
>
This can occur for all db available.

When Spambayes train on a email it is adding a
X-Spambayes-train: spam or ham (or something similar)
in the header.

When you untrain it check this header and remove the email token from 
the "spam/ham" part of the database.
You can have the problem if the email was training with a database then 
you delete this database.
You start with a new database and try to train again with the email you 
already train on.
Since the email still have the X-Spambayes-train header you don't train 
on with it except if you force the training (the -f options)
If later you find a mistake and you untrain. with the above email. Since 
it was never really train with the later database the
hamcount or spamcount can co negative.

So start again and force the training on all message
sb_mboxtrain -f -g you_ham_mbox -s your_spam_mbox
You will be able to correct your mistake.


Remi


From diego at blbhydraulic.com  Wed Nov 19 09:19:57 2003
From: diego at blbhydraulic.com (diego@blbhydraulic.com)
Date: Wed Nov 19 09:22:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error in configuration
Message-ID: <OFE7BDD389.C65D9F15-ONC1256DE3.004E544A-C1256DE3.004F8DC1@blbhydraulic.com>

Hi there,

I'm tryng to install spambayes on my machine.
I have a XP Professional SP1 system, with python 2.3.
I need to connect to an Imap Domino server.
I get this error when I go to configure folders to filter.
What can I do?

Thanks,

Diego Balbinot





500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 453, in 
found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\ImapUI.py", line 163, in 
onFilterfolders
    self._login_to_imap()

  File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\ImapUI.py", line 208, in 
_login_to_imap
    self.imap.login(username, self.imap_pwd)

  File "C:\spambayes\spambayes-1.0a7\scripts\sb_imapfilter.py", line 205, 
in login
    BaseIMAP.login(self, username, pwd)  # superclass login

  File "C:\Python23\lib\imaplib.py", line 471, in login
    typ, dat = self._simple_command('LOGIN', user, self._quote(password))

  File "C:\Python23\lib\imaplib.py", line 992, in _quote
    arg = arg.replace('\\', '\\\\')

AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'replace'
From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Wed Nov 19 09:23:03 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed Nov 19 09:23:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <3FBB7963.5070308@videotron.ca>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBB7963.5070308@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <20031119142303.GA5569@nl.linux.org>

papaDoc wrote:
> >whenever I untrain a spam message accidantly trained as ham, by
> >database gets corrupted. I get the following error message:

> If later you find a mistake and you untrain. with the above email. Since 
> it was never really train with the later database the
> hamcount or spamcount can co negative.
> 
> So start again and force the training on all message
> sb_mboxtrain -f -g you_ham_mbox -s your_spam_mbox
> You will be able to correct your mistake.

Thanks for your answer. I will try to avoid it in the future.
Correcting it will force me to keep al my spam. I currently
don't, but I could do it from now on.

Gerrit.

-- 
Asperger Syndroom - een persoonlijke benadering:
	http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/
Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet:
	http://www.sp.nl/

From tony.flury at bt.com  Wed Nov 19 10:59:46 2003
From: tony.flury at bt.com (tony.flury@bt.com)
Date: Wed Nov 19 11:01:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spam bayes installation on Windows 2000pc
Message-ID: <C9E6B521D549194C8D3FAB7A7B9A80CC03D2FC30@i2km41-ukdy.domain1.systemhost.net>

The plug fails to initialise - I attach the Logs files from 4 attempts - all of which mention permissions problems

 <<spambayes1.log>>  <<spambayes3.log>>  <<spambayes2.log>>  <<spambayes1.log>> 

Any assistance would be useful

-- 
Tony Flury

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From Charlie at NABOR.com  Wed Nov 19 10:59:24 2003
From: Charlie at NABOR.com (Charlie Willits)
Date: Wed Nov 19 11:01:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] HTML Correction
Message-ID: <6A3F11D54A5CEA4B86F8B4CC26E86D1B012AD2@mail.nabor.local>

Version of Windows: Windows XP
Version of SpamBayes: SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-0081.exe


Just a typo on the Welcome.html -- the reference to adding Spam Score to
Oulook folder view is wrong:

<p>Outlook does not allow us to automatically add the <span
style="font-style: italic;">spam score</span> to your Outlook folder
views - but you can <a
href="file:///e:/src/spambayes/Outlook2000/about.html#Field">do it
manually by following these instructions</a>.<br>
</p>

It should probably be something more like:

<p>Outlook does not allow us to automatically add the <span
style="font-style: italic;">spam score</span> to your Outlook folder
views - but you can <a href="../About.html#Field">do it manually by
following these instructions</a>.<br>
</p>


Looking forward to using the product!

Charlie


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:44:54 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Nov 19 11:46:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spam bayes installation on Windows 2000pc
In-Reply-To: <C9E6B521D549194C8D3FAB7A7B9A80CC03D2FC30@i2km41-ukdy.domain1.systemhost.net>
Message-ID: <E1AMVTX-00041s-SS@mail.python.org>

tony.flury@bt.com wrote:
> The plug fails to initialise - I attach the Logs files from 4
> attempts - all of which mention permissions problems 
> 
>  <<spambayes1.log>>  <<spambayes3.log>>  <<spambayes2.log>> 
> <<spambayes1.log>> 
> 
> Any assistance would be useful

Which version of Outlook are you running?  Is this the first version of
Outlook that you installed, or did you upgrade it from a previous
version?  If you upgraded, what version did you upgrade from?

Also, do you run under a user account that does not have Administrator
privileges?

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:50:17 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Nov 19 11:50:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] HTML Correction
In-Reply-To: <6A3F11D54A5CEA4B86F8B4CC26E86D1B012AD2@mail.nabor.local>
Message-ID: <E1AMVXV-0004TP-1w@mail.python.org>

Charlie Willits wrote:
> Version of Windows: Windows XP
> Version of SpamBayes: SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-0081.exe
> 
> 
> Just a typo on the Welcome.html -- the reference to adding Spam Score
> to Oulook folder view is wrong:
> 
> <p>Outlook does not allow us to automatically add the <span
> style="font-style: italic;">spam score</span> to your Outlook folder
> views - but you can <a
> href="file:///e:/src/spambayes/Outlook2000/about.html#Field">do it
> manually by following these instructions</a>.<br>
> </p>
> 
> It should probably be something more like:
> 
> <p>Outlook does not allow us to automatically add the <span
> style="font-style: italic;">spam score</span> to your Outlook folder
> views - but you can <a href="../About.html#Field">do it manually by
> following these instructions</a>.<br>
> </p>

Thanks for the report.  That problem was fixed a couple of months ago,
but there hasn't been a new release of the plugin since then.  Should be
fixed in the next release.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From hildies at citlink.net  Wed Nov 19 11:50:58 2003
From: hildies at citlink.net (Jack Hildebrand)
Date: Wed Nov 19 11:51:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] anti-spam software
Message-ID: <001701c3aebd$4f600290$01fea8c0@hewlittpackard>

Dear Sir:
Am I to understand that you do not currently have anti-spam software available for Outlook Express users? 
Thank you for your response.
Jack Hildebrand
Elk Grove, CA
From dreed at srdcorp.com  Wed Nov 19 11:49:45 2003
From: dreed at srdcorp.com (Reed, David)
Date: Wed Nov 19 11:52:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] [REPOST] Spambayes Outlook Plugin (Latest) unresponsive
Message-ID: <4C542552EF434E43B2F2572854A73CBD6F7134@corp-mail1.srdcorp.com>

Hi All,

I installed the SpamBayes Outlook plugin several months ago for our
Company President.  It's been working, mostly, since then.  Oh sure, a
few times it has stopped working, and I'd go fix it.

Well, today it stopped working.  I upgraded it to the latest Outlook
Plugin (.081?), and retrained it.  However, it still isn't responding.
I uninstalled it and reinstalled it.  Still not change.  No response.  I
can't even select an email and "DELETE AS SPAM", because it just
doesn't.  It's totally unresponsive to anything.

It only seems to be his computer (the Company President, naturally, who
isn't a computer guy at all, so he has NO patience for computer
problems), and I am seemingly powerless to do anything about it.

Has anyone else got any idea what might be wrong?  Like I say, I've
deleted it and reinstalled it, I've upgraded it, and I've retrained it
already.  I can't select an email and DELETE AS SPAM either.

All ideas and suggestions welcome!

Thanks,

David

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 19 11:53:02 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Nov 19 11:53:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Almost everything goes to Junk Suspects even
	aftertraining.
In-Reply-To: <FIEJKOAAFBLLDKGJMGHMAEIJCAAA.mlacrosse@nmcaa.org>
Message-ID: <E1AMVaC-0004t4-1o@mail.python.org>

Matthew LaCrosse wrote:
> I can't seem to figure out why it keeps sending almost everything to
> Junk Suspects even after doing "Recover from Spam" it does send it to
> my inbox but it never seems to learn what it is that always should go
> to the Inbox. Any ideas?

Can you submit the output of "Show spam clues" for one of the messages?

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From skip at pobox.com  Wed Nov 19 12:06:51 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Nov 19 12:07:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] anti-spam software
In-Reply-To: <001701c3aebd$4f600290$01fea8c0@hewlittpackard>
References: <001701c3aebd$4f600290$01fea8c0@hewlittpackard>
Message-ID: <16315.41771.147253.763487@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Jack> Am I to understand that you do not currently have anti-spam
    Jack> software available for Outlook Express users?

Jack,

You can use the sb_server.py to proxy POP3 or sb_impafilter.py to proxy IMAP
between Outlook Express and your mail server.  For details, start here:

    http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express

Skip

From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Wed Nov 19 12:42:13 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed Nov 19 12:42:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>

Gerrit Holl wrote:
> whenever I untrain a spam message accidantly trained as ham, by
> database gets corrupted. I get the following error message:

Unfortunately, it also happens when I don't untrain any message.
It seems like the database gets corrupted whenever two different
processes open it. Do I have to manually configure lockfiles or
something similar?

The error message still is:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 203, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 199, in main
>     action(msg)
>   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 132, in filter
>     return h.filter(msg)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 109, in filter
>     prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 38, in _scoremsg
>     return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 158, in chi2_spamprob
>     clues = self._getclues(wordstream)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 395, in _getclues
>     prob = self.probability(record)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 242, in probability
>     assert hamcount <= nham
> AssertionError

yours,
Gerrit.

-- 
62. If he do not plant the field that was given over to him as a
garden, if it be arable land (for corn or sesame) the gardener shall pay
the owner the produce of the field for the years that he let it lie
fallow, according to the product of neighboring fields, put the field in
arable condition and return it to its owner.
          -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law
-- 
Asperger Syndroom - een persoonlijke benadering:
	http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/
Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet:
	http://www.sp.nl/

From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Wed Nov 19 12:50:59 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Wed Nov 19 12:51:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>

Gerrit Holl wrote:

>Gerrit Holl wrote:
>  
>
>>whenever I untrain a spam message accidantly trained as ham, by
>>database gets corrupted. I get the following error message:
>>
Can we have more informations:
What is the command line you are using ?

Remi


From skip at pobox.com  Wed Nov 19 12:55:18 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Nov 19 12:56:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <16315.44678.36753.228513@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Gerrit> Unfortunately, it also happens when I don't untrain any message.
    Gerrit> It seems like the database gets corrupted whenever two different
    Gerrit> processes open it. Do I have to manually configure lockfiles or
    Gerrit> something similar?

Yes, that's a known problem.

Skip

From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Wed Nov 19 12:57:23 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed Nov 19 12:58:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>

<quote name="papaDoc" date="1069242659" email="papaDoc@videotron.ca">
> >Gerrit Holl wrote:

[database gets corrupted]

> Can we have more informations:
> What is the command line you are using ?
> 
> Remi
</quote>

I am using the procmail method for filtering:

:0 fw:hamlock
| /usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py

I am using the mutt method for training:

macro index S "|sb_filter.py -s | procmail\n"
macro pager S "|sb_filter.py -s | procmail\n"
macro index H "|sb_filter.py -g | procmail\n"
macro pager H "|sb_filter.py -g | procmail\n"

For the server I use:

sb_server.py -d /home/gerrit/hammie.db

My .spambayesrc is:

[Categorization]
ham_cutoff = 0.05
spam_cutoff = 0.95

[Hammie]
train_on_filter = False

[Headers]
add_unique_id = True
clue_mailheader_cutoff = 0.2
header_score_digits = 3
header_score_logarithm = True

[Storage]
persistent_storage_file = /home/gerrit/hammie.db
persistent_use_database = True

And I use this script for checking the number of hams and spams in my db:
#!/usr/bin/python

import spambayes.storage
d = spambayes.storage.open_storage("/home/gerrit/hammie.db", True)
print "Spam:", d.nspam
print "Ham:", d.nham
d.close()

I will now try to reproduce the bug.

yours,
Gerrit.

-- 
Mozilla _is_ the web: it grows faster than you can download it.
1011001 1101111 1110101 1110010 1110011 0101100
1000111 1100101 1110010 1110010 1101001 1110100

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Nov 19 13:09:28 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Nov 19 13:11:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
	<20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <16315.45528.694389.991984@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Gerrit> I am using the procmail method for filtering:

    Gerrit> :0 fw:hamlock
    Gerrit> | /usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py

    Gerrit> I am using the mutt method for training:

    Gerrit> macro index S "|sb_filter.py -s | procmail\n"
    Gerrit> macro pager S "|sb_filter.py -s | procmail\n"
    Gerrit> macro index H "|sb_filter.py -g | procmail\n"
    Gerrit> macro pager H "|sb_filter.py -g | procmail\n"

    Gerrit> For the server I use:

    Gerrit> sb_server.py -d /home/gerrit/hammie.db

Gerrit,

Why do you use both sb_filter and sb_server?  Both sb_server and sb_filter
(when given the -s or -g flags) will open the database file for update.  If
you're already training from mutt, sb_server doesn't add anything.

Skip

From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Wed Nov 19 13:13:36 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed Nov 19 13:14:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <16315.45528.694389.991984@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
	<20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.45528.694389.991984@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20031119181336.GB7620@nl.linux.org>

Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Gerrit> sb_server.py -d /home/gerrit/hammie.db
> 
> Gerrit,
> 
> Why do you use both sb_filter and sb_server?  Both sb_server and sb_filter
> (when given the -s or -g flags) will open the database file for update.  If
> you're already training from mutt, sb_server doesn't add anything.

I use it to check why a certain message has been classified as spam or ham.
When I don't understand why a message is not correctly classified, I launch
sb_server and ask it to give the full explanation (classify). Is there
a script that simply does this but uses stdout instead of a web server?

Gerrit.

-- 
275. If any one hire a ferryboat, he shall pay three gerahs in money
per day.
          -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law
-- 
Asperger Syndroom - een persoonlijke benadering:
	http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/
Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet:
	http://www.sp.nl/

From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Nov 19 13:53:49 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Nov 19 13:53:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C398F@cliff.bai.org>

Why not put the references to SpamBayes in your Outlook signature? 

This is likely not a feature that will ever make it into SpamBayes,
since it's so easy to do with most mail clients.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Sanjay Darisi
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:14 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
> 
> [Sanjay]
> >/ I know how to do this manually. But I would like to do it in addin
> />/ itself. Like after installing the addin it has to append 
> a signature
> />/ to every outgoing email. How can I do this?
> /
> [Richie]
> > That's a strange requirement - what do you want the 
> signature to say, if
> > you don't mind me asking?
> 
> Just like that, Like spambayes is protecting my inbox...How 
> to do that?
> 
> sanjay
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Wed Nov 19 14:02:10 2003
From: sethg.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:18:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spam designed to defeat Bayesian filters
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEOJFNAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

Attached is an email (along with resulting spam clues) that apparently was
designed specifically to get past Bayesian filters.  I believe this was
mentioned before as the "white on white" HTML problem.  The email has a
large number of legitimate words, probably randomly picked from a
dictionary, in a section where the font color is almost white on a white
background.  There is a little snippet of HTML at the end that contains my
email address.  I don't know what it does but I don't like the looks of it.
The message appears blank, unless you look very closely and then look at the
HTML source.  Not only does this message slip through the classifier as ham,
but training on this message as spam would probably reduce the effectiveness
of the classifier.

My questions are:

1) What is this thing?  Does it harvest addresses when rendered?

2) Are there any approaches that have been discussed to ignore the "almost
white" text during parsing?

3) Is anything in the works for this exploit?

--
Seth Goodman

  Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply

  Spambots: please disregard the above
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From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Wed Nov 19 14:27:40 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:27:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spam designed to defeat Bayesian filters
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Hi,

This classify for me as Spam
Spam probability: *77.55% (0.7754698219)*.

This is the token
*Word* 	*Probability* 	*Times in ham* 	*Times in spam*
*H* 	0.445814 	- 	-
*S* 	0.996753 	- 	-
nov 	0.065217 	3 	0
vcr 	0.065217 	3 	0
before 	0.083754 	6 	1
skip:1 10 	0.083754 	6 	1
battery 	0.091837 	2 	0
controls 	0.091837 	2 	0
emergency 	0.091837 	2 	0
given 	0.091837 	2 	0
knowing 	0.091837 	2 	0
protection 	0.091837 	2 	0
selection 	0.091837 	2 	0
separately 	0.091837 	2 	0
switches 	0.091837 	2 	0
talking 	0.091837 	2 	0
teaching 	0.091837 	2 	0
telling 	0.091837 	2 	0
window 	0.091837 	2 	0
either 	0.097789 	5 	1
good 	0.117544 	4 	1
control 	0.147499 	3 	1
network 	0.147499 	3 	1
provides 	0.147499 	3 	1
tell 	0.147499 	3 	1
white 	0.147499 	3 	1
based 	0.149229 	5 	2
basic 	0.155172 	1 	0
considered 	0.155172 	1 	0
consists 	0.155172 	1 	0
containing 	0.155172 	1 	0
core 	0.155172 	1 	0
corrected 	0.155172 	1 	0
effects 	0.155172 	1 	0
elements 	0.155172 	1 	0
elevator 	0.155172 	1 	0
empty 	0.155172 	1 	0
enables 	0.155172 	1 	0
encouraged 	0.155172 	1 	0
from: 	0.155172 	1 	0
graph 	0.155172 	1 	0
graphics 	0.155172 	1 	0
ground 	0.155172 	1 	0
keyboard 	0.155172 	1 	0
kind 	0.155172 	1 	0
laboratory 	0.155172 	1 	0
language 	0.155172 	1 	0
necessarily 	0.155172 	1 	0
none 	0.155172 	1 	0
produced 	0.155172 	1 	0
proper 	0.155172 	1 	0
properties 	0.155172 	1 	0
protect 	0.155172 	1 	0
seem 	0.155172 	1 	0
seems 	0.155172 	1 	0
senior 	0.155172 	1 	0
separate 	0.155172 	1 	0
subject: 	0.155172 	1 	0
switching 	0.155172 	1 	0
target 	0.155172 	1 	0
task 	0.155172 	1 	0
telephone 	0.155172 	1 	0
whole 	0.155172 	1 	0
because 	0.184556 	7 	4
got 	0.195811 	5 	3
else 	0.198686 	2 	1
whether 	0.198686 	2 	1
version 	0.219899 	3 	2
going 	0.231109 	4 	3
skip:h 10 	0.231109 	4 	3
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Seth Goodman wrote:

>Attached is an email (along with resulting spam clues) that apparently was
>designed specifically to get past Bayesian filters.  I believe this was
>mentioned before as the "white on white" HTML problem.  The email has a
>large number of legitimate words, probably randomly picked from a
>dictionary, in a section where the font color is almost white on a white
>background.  There is a little snippet of HTML at the end that contains my
>email address.  I don't know what it does but I don't like the looks of it.
>The message appears blank, unless you look very closely and then look at the
>HTML source.  Not only does this message slip through the classifier as ham,
>but training on this message as spam would probably reduce the effectiveness
>of the classifier.
>
>My questions are:
>
>1) What is this thing?  Does it harvest addresses when rendered?
>
>2) Are there any approaches that have been discussed to ignore the "almost
>white" text during parsing?
>
>3) Is anything in the works for this exploit?
>
>--
>Seth Goodman
>
>  Humans:   please remove ".delete" to reply
>
>  Spambots: please disregard the above
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> movie's
> From:
> "Dion Tiff" <gwenneth401@hotmail.com>
> Date:
> Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:12:07 -0600
> To:
> <sethg@goodmanassociates.com>
>
>
> hriie os hy vsicwj  k tnu mk  k vcr  uuhfw wawp ucu neqge oo cqstcpw
>jrsqldm qvkm ncy fim
>
>  
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Spam Clues: movie's
>
>
>Spam Score: 0% (0)
>
>
>
>word                                spamprob         #ham  #spam
>'*H*'                               1                   -      -
>'*S*'                               0                   -      -
>'provides'                          0.00790861         28      0
>'project'                           0.00819672         27      0
>'basic'                             0.00884086         25      0
>'efforts'                           0.0100223          22      0
>'electronics'                       0.0100223          22      0
>'bar'                               0.0110024          20      0
>'nature'                            0.012894           17      0
>'switch'                            0.0136778          16      0
>'wind'                              0.0136778          16      0
>'neither'                           0.0145631          15      0
>'groups'                            0.0155709          14      0
>'necessarily'                       0.0167286          13      0
>'properly'                          0.0167286          13      0
>'bars'                              0.0180723          12      0
>'enable'                            0.0180723          12      0
>'noise'                             0.0180723          12      0
>'continuing'                        0.0196507          11      0
>'convinced'                         0.0196507          11      0
>'projects'                          0.0196507          11      0
>'technical'                         0.0209429          53      1
>'correct.'                          0.0215311          10      0
>'grateful'                          0.0215311          10      0
>'senior'                            0.0215311          10      0
>'tells'                             0.0215311          10      0
>'window'                            0.0215311          10      0
>'conventional'                      0.0238095           9      0
>'glass'                             0.0238095           9      0
>'go.'                               0.0238095           9      0
>'knows'                             0.0238095           9      0
>'nation'                            0.0238095           9      0
>'series'                            0.0238095           9      0
>'encourage'                         0.0266272           8      0
>'technique'                         0.0266272           8      0
>'wine'                              0.0266272           8      0
>'controlling'                       0.0302013           7      0
>'core'                              0.0302013           7      0
>'emphasis'                          0.0302013           7      0
>'grant'                             0.0302013           7      0
>'granted'                           0.0302013           7      0
>'nervous'                           0.0302013           7      0
>'networks'                          0.0302013           7      0
>'protected'                         0.0302013           7      0
>'selecting'                         0.0302013           7      0
>'talked'                            0.0302013           7      0
>'tape'                              0.0302013           7      0
>'win'                               0.0302013           7      0
>'wishes'                            0.0302013           7      0
>'conversation'                      0.0348837           6      0
>'election'                          0.0348837           6      0
>'encouraging'                       0.0348837           6      0
>'governor'                          0.0348837           6      0
>'grows'                             0.0348837           6      0
>'suspected'                         0.0348837           6      0
>'winter'                            0.0348837           6      0
>'night'                             0.0351794          31      1
>'bear'                              0.0412844           5      0
>'copied'                            0.0412844           5      0
>'corrected'                         0.0412844           5      0
>'effectively'                       0.0412844           5      0
>'encounter'                         0.0412844           5      0
>'encourages'                        0.0412844           5      0
>'ending'                            0.0412844           5      0
>'kill'                              0.0412844           5      0
>'label'                             0.0412844           5      0
>'promising'                         0.0412844           5      0
>'sends'                             0.0412844           5      0
>'talks'                             0.0412844           5      0
>'teach'                             0.0412844           5      0
>'winning'                           0.0412844           5      0
>'network'                           0.0474167          41      2
>'whether'                           0.0474167          41      2
>'beginning'                         0.048731           22      1
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>'continually'                       0.0505618           4      0
>'contract.'                         0.0505618           4      0
>'contribution'                      0.0505618           4      0
>'convince'                          0.0505618           4      0
>'convincing'                        0.0505618           4      0
>'cope'                              0.0505618           4      0
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>'elect'                             0.0505618           4      0
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>'kinds'                             0.0505618           4      0
>'knocked'                           0.0505618           4      0
>'promised'                          0.0505618           4      0
>'selects'                           0.0505618           4      0
>'switching'                         0.0505618           4      0
>'widespread'                        0.0505618           4      0
>'wondered'                          0.0505618           4      0
>'graphics'                          0.0532931          20      1
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>'consists'                          0.0652174           3      0
>'elements'                          0.0652174           3      0
>'elsewhere'                         0.0652174           3      0
>'encouraged'                        0.0652174           3      0
>"government's"                      0.0652174           3      0
>"governor's"                        0.0652174           3      0
>'grew'                              0.0652174           3      0
>'lacks'                             0.0652174           3      0
>'ladies'                            0.0652174           3      0
>'names.'                            0.0652174           3      0
>'nearby'                            0.0652174           3      0
>'next.'                             0.0652174           3      0
>'noisy'                             0.0652174           3      0
>'programmers'                       0.0652174           3      0
>'proportion'                        0.0652174           3      0
>'protest'                           0.0652174           3      0
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>'separately'                        0.0652174           3      0
>'serial'                            0.0652174           3      0
>'teeth.'                            0.0652174           3      0
>'within.'                           0.0652174           3      0
>'telling'                           0.0655701          16      1
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>'table.'                            0.0918367           2      0
>'tank'                              0.0918367           2      0
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>'teacher'                           0.0918367           2      0
>'teaching'                          0.0918367           2      0
>'whilst'                            0.0918367           2      0
>'whoever'                           0.0918367           2      0
>'wider'                             0.0918367           2      0
>'wild'                              0.0918367           2      0
>"window's"                          0.0918367           2      0
>'x-mailer:qualcomm windows eudora version 5.1' 0.925475            2
>30
>'url:biz'                           0.995187            1    277
>  
>


From fredfredwin at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 19 14:37:38 2003
From: fredfredwin at yahoo.com (fred fredwin)
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:37:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] question about Spambayes setup...
Message-ID: <20031119193738.3430.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings !
I recently came across SpamBayes and am very excited about using it (tried other spam filtering software, and it was a pretty big waste of time).  I've got it set up, and it works fine, but I want to know if anyone has any setup tips?
I was thinking of having a folder with known bad spam, which would not be deleted and kept in Outlook today, along with known ham, kept in another folder, each having about 500 messages to compare incoming spam to, which would periodically take new messages (ham and spam), put them in the respective folder, and then periodically delete old spam/ham messages.  This would keep an updated list of spam/ham, to stay on par with the spammers (they always were one step ahead any kind of spam filtering software).  any suggestions would be appreciated...
 
Fred


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From John.Hall at sciatl.com  Wed Nov 19 14:40:30 2003
From: John.Hall at sciatl.com (Hall, John)
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:41:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] "Duplicate" e-mails using SpamBayes
Message-ID: <CD4E05CB3DD271439CD377BEEFD9206101D0D174@sausatlmex02.sciatl.com>

I love SpamBayes...question...occasionally after I open and read an e-mail,
then close it, it appears in my In Box as if I haven't opened it, still bold
face...anyone else have that "problem?" Because of the great Spam filtering
performance I can live with it, just curious if anyone else has this
occur...JH
 
 


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From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Nov 19 14:46:27 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:46:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spam designed to defeat Bayesian filters
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A012C3996@cliff.bai.org>

> From: Seth Goodman

> 1) What is this thing?  Does it harvest addresses when rendered?

Exactly. It's called a web bug. Opening this email in a program that
automatically downloads pictures would tell them that your address is
valid, and you viewed their spam.
 
> 2) Are there any approaches that have been discussed to 
> ignore the "almost white" text during parsing?

Yes, and most have been rejected, because they have not shown an
increase in capture rate. For the most part, the URLs and the headers
used often condemn this type of spam despite the random words. However,
that doesn't seem to be the case with this one. If you can propose a
method, then get someone to code it into the tokenizer (or do it
yourself) for testing, let us know.

The really strange thing is that most of the random words had a very
high ham probability with my corpus as well as yours. The message scored
as a 0% on my SpamBayes installation as well. It looks like someone is
analyzing a bunch of mail with a bayesian filter, and coming up with
their own list of "universal" list of innocent words.

Since this message is malformed (the bad headers prevent the HTML from
showing up correctly), and it doesn't really contain any sales pitch,
this is probably a test a spammer is using to see how many of this style
of spam he/she can get through. Of course, once sales-pitch words are
added to it, with will score much higher.

Regards,
	Ryan



From tim.one at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 14:54:28 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:54:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spam designed to defeat Bayesian filters
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAEEOJFNAA.sethg.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <BIEJKCLHCIOIHAGOKOLHMEPIHGAA.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Seth Goodman]
> Attached is an email (along with resulting spam clues) that
> apparently was designed specifically to get past Bayesian filters.

The purpose of random text is to defeat fingerprinting schemes.  The best
random crap of this kind can hope to do against our kind of filter is push
it down to unsure; although for some people, some of the time, it will score
as ham -- as Skip said recently, unless they can access your training
database, to find out what is and isn't hammy and spammy to *you*, random
text is just pissing in the wind.

> I believe this was mentioned before as the "white on white" HTML
> problem.  The email has a large number of legitimate words, probably
> randomly picked from a dictionary, in a section where the font color
> is almost white on a white background.  There is a little snippet of
> HTML at the end that contains my email address.  I don't know what it
> does but I don't like the looks of it.

It's probably "a beacon".  If your email reader (like Outlook <wink>)
normally renders HTML, and is willing to fetch images over the web, the
sender can arrange to send *back* any kind of info it wants in the URL.
Like the email address the spam was sent to.  When the spammer's site gets
the URL request, as a side effect it gets the email address it embedded in
the URL too.  Then the spammer knows that address is "live", and can sell it
to other spammers.

> The message appears blank, unless you look very closely and then
> look at the HTML source.  Not only does this message slip through the
> classifier as ham,

It slipped thru yours today, but it won't slip through everyone's today, and
it won't even slip through yours on some other day -- collections of random
words get pretty much random scores, but tending toward 50 on average.

> but training on this message as spam would probably reduce the
> effectiveness of the classifier.

I've trained on such things without apparent harm.  Very few non-hapax words
are purely hammy or purely spammy, and this kind of scheme is robust against
that kind of ambiguity (at least when well-trained; a mistake-driven
training approach leaves it brittler, but that's what I do these days, and I
still haven't noticed harm from training on such things).

> My questions are:
>
> 1) What is this thing?  Does it harvest addresses when rendered?

That appears to be its intent, yes.

> 2) Are there any approaches that have been discussed to ignore the
> "almost white" text during parsing?

Sure, but it requires semantic analysis deeper than we do, and would have to
start with doing real parsing of HTML.  That would be much more expensive
than what we do now.

> 3) Is anything in the works for this exploit?

Not that I know of.


From tpeters at mixcom.com  Wed Nov 19 14:56:23 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Wed Nov 19 14:57:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] question about Spambayes setup...
In-Reply-To: <20031119193738.3430.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031119135246.00baf720@localhost>

I'm using it with Eudora pro 5.1 in Pop3 proxy mode. If you think any of my 
advice would be applicable, I'm happy to give it. Writing filters in Eudora 
to act on the inserted headers isn't hard but there are a few wrinkles and 
gotchas. Also, I've gotten it to work with Norton antivirus configured to 
scan all outgoing mail, and if you do that wrong with the pop3 proxy, it 
will scan all messages twice each.

Ooops. Just saw the word "Outlook" in your message. Guess you won't be 
needing the POP3 proxy.

At 11:37 AM 11/19/2003 -0800, fred fredwin wrote:
>Greetings !
>I recently came across SpamBayes and am very excited about using it (tried 
>other spam filtering software, and it was a pretty big waste of 
>time).  I've got it set up, and it works fine, but I want to know if 
>anyone has any setup tips?
>I was thinking of having a folder with known bad spam, which would not be 
>deleted and kept in Outlook today, along with known ham, kept in another 
>folder, each having about 500 messages to compare incoming spam to, which 
>would periodically take new messages (ham and spam), put them in the 
>respective folder, and then periodically delete old spam/ham 
>messages.  This would keep an updated list of spam/ham, to stay on par 
>with the spammers (they always were one step ahead any kind of spam 
>filtering software).  any suggestions would be appreciated...
>

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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Nov 19 14:59:38 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Nov 19 15:00:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <20031119181336.GB7620@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
	<20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.45528.694389.991984@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119181336.GB7620@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <16315.52138.672760.740584@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Gerrit> I use it to check why a certain message has been classified as
    Gerrit> spam or ham.  When I don't understand why a message is not
    Gerrit> correctly classified, I launch sb_server and ask it to give the
    Gerrit> full explanation (classify). Is there a script that simply does
    Gerrit> this but uses stdout instead of a web server?

Sure.  Just spit the message back through sb_filter.py with the
Headers.include_evidence option set to True.  If you're running from the CVS
version of SpamBayes you run it like

    sb_filter.py -o Headers:include_evidence:True < msgfile

Skip

From tpeters at mixcom.com  Wed Nov 19 14:59:27 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Wed Nov 19 15:00:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] anti-spam software
In-Reply-To: <16315.41771.147253.763487@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <001701c3aebd$4f600290$01fea8c0@hewlittpackard>
	<001701c3aebd$4f600290$01fea8c0@hewlittpackard>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031119135907.00bcb898@localhost>

I am using the POP3 filter. Need help?
At 11:06 AM 11/19/2003 -0600, Skip Montanaro wrote:

>     Jack> Am I to understand that you do not currently have anti-spam
>     Jack> software available for Outlook Express users?
>
>Jack,
>
>You can use the sb_server.py to proxy POP3 or sb_impafilter.py to proxy IMAP
>between Outlook Express and your mail server.  For details, start here:
>
>     http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express
>
>Skip
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


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From tpeters at mixcom.com  Wed Nov 19 15:00:39 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Wed Nov 19 15:01:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] anti-spam software
In-Reply-To: <16315.41771.147253.763487@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <001701c3aebd$4f600290$01fea8c0@hewlittpackard>
	<001701c3aebd$4f600290$01fea8c0@hewlittpackard>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031119140006.00bba4c8@localhost>

I should have said, I am using the POP3 proxy, when I offered to help.
At 11:06 AM 11/19/2003 -0600, Skip Montanaro wrote:

>     Jack> Am I to understand that you do not currently have anti-spam
>     Jack> software available for Outlook Express users?
>
>Jack,
>
>You can use the sb_server.py to proxy POP3 or sb_impafilter.py to proxy IMAP
>between Outlook Express and your mail server.  For details, start here:
>
>     http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express
>
>Skip
>
>_______________________________________________
>Spambayes@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
>Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


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From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Wed Nov 19 15:55:21 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed Nov 19 15:55:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <16315.52138.672760.740584@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
	<20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.45528.694389.991984@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119181336.GB7620@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.52138.672760.740584@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20031119205521.GA16448@nl.linux.org>

Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Gerrit>  Is there a script that simply does
>     Gerrit> this but uses stdout instead of a web server?
> 
> Sure.  Just spit the message back through sb_filter.py with the
> Headers.include_evidence option set to True.  If you're running from the CVS
> version of SpamBayes you run it like
> 
>     sb_filter.py -o Headers:include_evidence:True < msgfile

Thanks!

Is this behaviour documented somewhere?
sb_filter.py --help does not seem to list a -o option here...

Gerrit.

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shekels in money to its owner.
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From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Wed Nov 19 16:11:15 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed Nov 19 16:12:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <20031119205521.GA16448@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
	<20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.45528.694389.991984@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119181336.GB7620@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.52138.672760.740584@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119205521.GA16448@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <20031119211115.GA17793@nl.linux.org>

Gerrit Holl wrote:
> >     sb_filter.py -o Headers:include_evidence:True < msgfile
> 
> Is this behaviour documented somewhere?
> sb_filter.py --help does not seem to list a -o option here...

Sorry, was not using latest CVS!

Gerrit.

-- 
50. If he give a cultivated corn-field or a cultivated sesame-field,
the corn or sesame in the field shall belong to the owner of the field,
and he shall return the money to the merchant as rent.
          -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law
-- 
Asperger Syndroom - een persoonlijke benadering:
	http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/
Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet:
	http://www.sp.nl/

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Nov 19 17:09:05 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Nov 19 17:06:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Few quick questions!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206813@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B158@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Although I know from the message below and from looking at 
> the FAQ's that S-B doesn't look at outbound mail and 
> therefore should not impact it, since installing S-B I have 
> experienced continuous problems send e-mail, particularly 
> those messages that contain attachments.

You're using the Outlook plug-in, right?  The plug-in definitely doesn't
touch your outgoing mail, but (if you're not using the plugin), depending on
how you have things set up, the other applications might be.

> It could be a 
> coincidence, but my intuition tells me otherwise. 

Intuition is often wrong <0.5 wink>.

> The error messages are primarily to do with timing out, can't 
> connect to the server. I have checked other machines on my 
> network that don't have S-B installed they have the same 
> Outlook settings and work correctly like my machine did pre S-B.

If you disable spambayes, does the problem go away?  If you uninstall, does
it go away?  (by "go away", I mean is it immediately fixed).  Are you using
any other plug-ins with Outlook?  I have seen reports of spambayes and other
plug-ins clashing, and if the other plug-in effects outgoing mail, that
could be a reason for the problem.

If you remain convinced that spambayes is at fault, please open a bug report
via the sourceforge system (<http://sf.net/projects/spambayes>), including
as much detail as possible (spambayes version, OS version, Outlook version,
exact error messages, spambayes log, ...).

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Nov 19 17:15:50 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Nov 19 17:13:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error in configuration
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206805@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29DC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm tryng to install spambayes on my machine.
> I have a XP Professional SP1 system, with python 2.3.
> I need to connect to an Imap Domino server.
> I get this error when I go to configure folders to filter.
[...]
>   File "C:\Python23\lib\imaplib.py", line 992, in _quote
>     arg = arg.replace('\\', '\\\\')
> 
> AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'replace' 

Could you run imapfilter with the "-i4" switch and post the results you get?
(Or open a bug report via sourceforge <http://sf.net/projects/spambayes> and
attach it there).

At first glance, it looks like your password is somehow a tuple, instead of
a string, but that shouldn't be possible, IIRC.

=Tony Meyer


From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Wed Nov 19 17:31:08 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed Nov 19 17:31:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Getting Evidence (Was: AssertionError: hamcount <= nham)
In-Reply-To: <16315.52138.672760.740584@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
	<20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.45528.694389.991984@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119181336.GB7620@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.52138.672760.740584@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20031119223108.GA18296@nl.linux.org>

Hi,

Skip Montanaro wrote:
>     Gerrit> I use it to check why a certain message has been classified as
>     Gerrit> spam or ham.  When I don't understand why a message is not
>     Gerrit> correctly classified, I launch sb_server and ask it to give the
>     Gerrit> full explanation (classify). Is there a script that simply does
>     Gerrit> this but uses stdout instead of a web server?
> 
> Sure.  Just spit the message back through sb_filter.py with the
> Headers.include_evidence option set to True.  If you're running from the CVS
> version of SpamBayes you run it like
> 
>     sb_filter.py -o Headers:include_evidence:True < msgfile

Yes.

But this is a 'short' version.

Is it possible to get a long version, like the webserver is giving, without
running the webserver? By long version, I mean at least two things: every
clue on a separate line, and every clue contains information on how many
spam messages contained this word and how many ham messages did. Of course,
if there is no script producing this output, it would be possible to write
one. I earlier succeeded in writing a script telling me how many spams
and how many hams I have. I did this by simply looking at the source code.
It is not as simple for what I want now. I have not found a simply
function/method producing an object containing all clues which can be
formatted to a table in a few lines of code. Is there such a function?

(is this still ontopic for this list or do questions on spambayes' classes
 belong in the spambayes-dev mailing list?)

good night to all europeans :P,
Gerrit.

-- 
122. If any one give another silver, gold, or anything else to keep, he
shall show everything to some witness, draw up a contract, and then hand
it over for safe keeping.
          -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law
-- 
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From cej at intech.com  Wed Nov 19 17:31:57 2003
From: cej at intech.com (Christopher Jastram)
Date: Wed Nov 19 17:31:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / No   module
	named zlib ?
In-Reply-To: <3FBA7E93.4040000@kolumbus.fi>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20031111021758.02439170@127.0.0.1>
	<3FB100B8.7050202@intech.com>
	<6.0.0.22.0.20031111182200.02471298@127.0.0.1>
	<3FBA64B6.5080407@intech.com> <3FBA7E93.4040000@kolumbus.fi>
Message-ID: <3FBBEF5D.1070409@intech.com>

Olli J. Marttila wrote:

> Christopher Jastram wrote:
>
>> Olli,
>> Do you know about this?
>> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes-bugs/2003-August/000589.html
>>
>> Chris Jastram
>
>
> Thanks, Chris!
> No, I did not.
> Having wasted several nights - and I really mean nights - trying to 
> get SpamBayes working I eventually gave up and installed Mozilla 
> Thunderbird: Easy installation, no hassle with dependencies, and working.
>
> Olli
>
>
>
Yeah.  Same here.

Ended up implementing server-side filtering for everyone else, and to 
handle those accounts that receive SO much mail they crash the Outlook 
plugin...  (5 to 6 hundred).

I saw a *very* interesting post about modifying SquirrelMail to have 
"Delete as Spam" (etc) buttons like the Outlook plugin, which merely 
forwarded the messages to the appropriate re-training interface.  Very 
cool, and that's what I'll probably work on next.

Sorry it didn't work out for you -- I find that these sorts of problems 
don't often get fixed (unless I do it).

Chris


From skip at pobox.com  Wed Nov 19 18:07:46 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Nov 19 18:08:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Getting Evidence (Was: AssertionError: hamcount <=
	nham)
In-Reply-To: <20031119223108.GA18296@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
	<20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.45528.694389.991984@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119181336.GB7620@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.52138.672760.740584@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119223108.GA18296@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <16315.63426.901164.494473@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Gerrit> Is it possible to get a long version, like the webserver is
    Gerrit> giving, without running the webserver? By long version, I mean
    Gerrit> at least two things: every clue on a separate line, and every
    Gerrit> clue contains information on how many spam messages contained
    Gerrit> this word and how many ham messages did. 

Attached is a little script I wrote (spamcounts.py) but haven't yet
released.  I use it typically to just view the total spam and ham counts
like so:

    % spamcounts
    db: /Users/skip/.hammiedb
    token,nspam,nham
    saved state,201,145

The output is in CSV format so I can pop it into a spreadsheet if I so
desire.  Here are some other example uses:

    * display all keys matching a given regular expression:

        % spamcounts -r '(?i)python'
        db: /Users/skip/.hammiedb
        token,nspam,nham
        1866/python,0,1
        26090/python,0,1
        cc:addr:python-dev,0,1
        cc:addr:python-mode,0,1
        cc:addr:python.org,0,4
        ...

    * display four specific keys in the database hammie.db instead of the
      default:

        % spamcounts -d hammie.db moe larry curly guido
        db: hammie.db
        token,nspam,nham
        curly,0,0
        guido,1,0
        larry,2,4
        moe,0,0

The "db:" line is sent to stderr, so you can capture just the CSV part to a
file easily enough.  It also generates (0,0) for non-existent keys.  I
suppose it could just ignore them instead.

How does this help you?  Here are a couple ideas:

    * modify spamcounts.py to tokenize a message and generate the counts for
      all tokens.

    * write a little script which just tokenizes a message and modify
      spamcounts to take a stream of tokens from stdin.

Happy hacking...

Skip

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From jfoster at agmac.com  Wed Nov 19 19:02:22 2003
From: jfoster at agmac.com (Jeff Foster)
Date: Wed Nov 19 18:52:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] love your product but.....
Message-ID: <NGBBJEPPLPBIKLOHHKPEAENLDAAA.jfoster@agmac.com>

My name is Jeff Foster. I am running Spambayes Outlook Ad in .081 in Outlook
2000 on a Fujitsu Laptop using Windows 98 Second Edition. Here is a copy of
my log file

Loaded bayes database from 'C:\WINDOWS\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\WINDOWS\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 660 spam and 41 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003) starting
(with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 4.10.67766446 ( A )
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)]
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Junk E-Mail
Message 'RE: Code of Ethics/Core Curriculum Classes' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Processing 1 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 4636.41ms
FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567,
'Exception occurred.', (0, None, None, None, 0, -2147467259), None)
Deleted the dead popup control - re-creating
Message 'RE: Code of Ethics/Core Curriculum Classes' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Message 'Re: Code of Ethics/Core Curriculum Classes' had a Spam
classification of 'No'
Message 'Cheapest Phentermine on the Internet!' had a Spam classification of
'Unsure'
Message 'Re: OOOOPS, I forgot about my buddies' had a Spam classification of
'No'
Saving configuration -> C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\SpamBayes\Microsoft
Outlook Internet Settings.ini
Spam filtering is disabled - ignoring new message
Spam filtering is disabled - ignoring new message
Spam filtering is disabled - ignoring new message
Current version is 0.81, latest is 0.81.

Outlook constantly "locks up". As you can see I have now disabled Spam
filtering and since then have not experienced any problems. I have another
computer in the office running Windows NT that I cannot even open Outlook
since installing Spambayes.
Please advise.

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Nov 19 21:47:32 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Nov 19 21:45:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / No modulenamed
	zlib ?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130420697C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B15B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Ended up implementing server-side filtering for everyone else, and to 
> handle those accounts that receive SO much mail they crash 
> the Outlook plugin...  (5 to 6 hundred).

The volume of mail shouldn't cause the plug-in any problems (although it
will obviously take longer to do it's thing).  On occasions I have Outlook
download many more than 600 messages in one go, and have never had any
trouble with spambayes - as have others, I'm sure.

This is not to say that something isn't going wrong with spambayes, just
that the volume of mail shouldn't be the cause.  By "crash the plug-in",
what do you mean?  Crash Outlook?  Stop the plug-in working?  Freeze the
system?

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Nov 19 21:50:28 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Nov 19 21:48:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Getting Evidence (Was: AssertionError: hamcount
	<=nham)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130420697F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B15C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Attached is a little script I wrote (spamcounts.py) but 
> haven't yet released.  I use it typically to just view the 
> total spam and ham counts like so:
[...]

In addition to Skip's script & ideas, you can probably find some of what you
want in UserInterface.py (particularly the cvs version, not the 1.0a7 one).
There are functions there that generate the clues list and so on, which you
can probably graft onto Skip's script.

Skip - your script sounds like a useful addition to the utilities directory,
unless you don't think it's ready for use by others.

=Tony Meyer


From tim.one at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 22:00:40 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Wed Nov 19 22:00:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / No
	modulenamedzlib ?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B15B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEPOHDAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Tony Meyer]
> The volume of mail shouldn't cause the plug-in any problems (although
> it will obviously take longer to do it's thing).  On occasions I have
> Outlook download many more than 600 messages in one go, and have
> never had any trouble with spambayes - as have others, I'm sure.

Oh, I've seen Outlook 2000 crash under heavy load, and often.  It started as
soon as I got a high-speed connection at home (I never saw it when sucking
1000 emails down over a slow dialup line).  That was long before SpamBayes
existed, though.  It's certainly not happening to me more often than it did
before SpamBayes got installed, and I don't recall it happening at all since
I enabled the SpamBayes "background processing" option.

It bears all the signs of a thread-race bug, and Outlook does run a lot of
threads (while SpamBayes does not -- it runs whatever thread Outlook decided
to run it in).  Depending on *everything* about a particular machine and its
typical loads, running another bit of computation (like, say, SpamBayes)
simultaneously can make thread-race bugs either more or less likely.  I have
no reason to believe SpamBayes is "at fault" here, and much evidence to
suspect OL2000 is at fault; SpamBayes could be acting as a catalyst, though,
by changing the relative timing of threads in such a way as to make an
Outlook bug more likely (or less likely!) to bite.


From denvin at adelphia.net  Wed Nov 19 22:08:36 2003
From: denvin at adelphia.net (Dennis & Vinnie Sullivan)
Date: Wed Nov 19 22:09:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with Spambays Toolbar
Message-ID: <000101c3af13$97248be0$d162ab44@net.atlaga.adelphia.net>

I recently installed SpamBayes and it works great. However, after a week or
so, I got a message that there was an error on the program and I was asked
if I wanted to uninstall it, and I said yes.  I removed SpamBayes from my
system completely, but the toolbar still showed, even when SpamBayes was no
longer in my system. I manually removed the items on the toolbar since it
was uninstalled.  I downloaded SpamBayes again expecting the toolbar to
reappear.  It did not.  I now have SpamBayes in my system, but no SpamBayes
toolbar. What gives?

 

Vinnie Sullivan

 

Sullivan 
1407 South Windward Drive 
St. Simons Island, GA  31522 
Phone: (912) 634-0602  Fax: (912) 634-0612 
Email: denvin@adelphia.net 

 

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Nov 19 22:14:35 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Nov 19 22:14:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spamcounts.py
Message-ID: <16316.12699.989316.990539@montanaro.dyndns.org>


I checked in a modified version of my spamcounts.py script to the contrib
directory of the SpamBayes CVS repository.  I pulled out the zero display,
added a -t flag to get it to tokenize a message on standard input and added
a spam prob column to the output.  Output now looks like this:

    % spamcounts -t < spam1
    db: /Users/skip/.hammiedb
    token,nspam,nham,spam prob
    content-type:text/html,132,52,0.646438294335
    subject:ADV,3,0,0.934782608696
    subject::  ,2,0,0.908163265306
    subject: ,178,135,0.487504978915
    "subject:, ",15,12,0.474589627851
    to:no real name:2**0,153,124,0.470976272284
    cc:none,188,134,0.503003515571
    sender:none,185,101,0.569109950886
    reply-to:no real name:2**0,39,34,0.453087648376
    to:2**0,192,138,0.500916379669
    x-mailer:none,106,85,0.473640904
    ...

Skip

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Nov 19 23:15:09 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Nov 19 23:12:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter fails with string index out of range
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130407BE48@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B15E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm a spambayes newbie, trying to set it up for the first 
> time.  Looked through the archives but didn't see anything 
> that about this specific problem.

I've seen this a couple of times now, but I'm only just getting time to
figure it out, sorry.

[...]
> However, when I try to start the 
> "daemon" version ( sb_imapfilter.py -c -t -l 5 ) I get a traceback:
> 
[...]
>     if (arg[0],arg[-1]) in (('(',')'),('"','"')):
> IndexError: string index out of range

What's happening here is that it's trying to select a folder called "",
which is no good (I believe, however, that it should give an 'invalid folder
name' error, rather than the traceback, and have submitted a python bug to
that effect).

This, of course, raises the question of *why* it's trying to use "" as a
folder name.  My guess is that it's because the unsure/spam folder hasn't
been set.  (Your configuration file seems to indicate this, too).  If that's
the case, could you set those, and give it another go and see if that fixes
it? (It would be great to hear back, either way).

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Nov 19 23:17:29 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Nov 19 23:14:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / Nomodule named
	zlib ?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130407BE7F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B15F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[...]
> marttila@linux:~> python /usr/local/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -c
> -t -l 10
[...]
> IndexError: string index out of range

I've seen this a couple of times now, but I'm only just getting time to
figure it out, sorry.

What's happening here is that it's trying to select a folder called "",
which is no good (I believe, however, that it should give an 'invalid folder
name' error, rather than the traceback, and have submitted a python bug to
that effect).

This, of course, raises the question of *why* it's trying to use "" as a
folder name.  My guess is that it's because the unsure/spam folder hasn't
been set.  If that's the case, could you set those, and give it another go
and see if that fixes it? (It would be great to hear back, either way).

> BTW, what is Spambayes Manager?

A dialog box that users of the Outlook plug-in have.

=Tony Meyer


From jim_pawlowski at ameritech.net  Wed Nov 19 23:16:47 2003
From: jim_pawlowski at ameritech.net (Jim Pawlowski)
Date: Wed Nov 19 23:17:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] v .81 Suggestion
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAyD1OTJ4d0hG+lABAM6APM8KAAAAQAAAACaOMNMzgLkqEe8iAklIqUwEAAAAA@ameritech.net>

Hi 
 
spambayes v .81 is much better than rules for spam
 
   One operational enhancement would be buttons in toolbar to delete the
spam folders. 
 
    Click to delete all in spam folder when viewing spam folder.
 

Thanks
 
Jim Pawlowski     Pawlowski & Associates  mailto:jim_pawlowski@ameritech.net
(440) 845-8540

From edrubins at andisplace.com  Thu Nov 20 00:37:52 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Yehudah Rubinsky)
Date: Thu Nov 20 00:38:01 2003
Subject: Eudora and Norton (was  Re: [Spambayes] question about
	Spambayes setup...)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120003210.00ad9ec0@localhost>

Tom Peters wrote:
 >[....]
 >Also, I've gotten it to work with Norton antivirus configured to
 >scan all outgoing mail, and if you do that wrong with the pop3 proxy, it
 >will scan all messages twice each.

What version are you using? IIRC this was fixed sometime ago. If you 
haven't already, you should probably upgrade to 1.07a. Note that 1.0a7 
requires Python 2.3.

Best, Ed



From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Nov 20 00:43:24 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu Nov 20 00:40:58 2003
Subject: Eudora and Norton (was Re: [Spambayes] question aboutSpambayes
	setup...)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206A3C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B168@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Note that 1.0a7 requires Python 2.3.

It shouldn't - do you know of something specific that needs 2.3?  There were
some bugs in 1.0a6 that meant that some scripts didn't work pre 2.3, but
they should have all be resolved for the 1.0a7 release.

(The requirement should be Python 2.2).

=Tony Meyer


From alinkens at nuera.com  Thu Nov 20 05:35:45 2003
From: alinkens at nuera.com (Linkens, Andy)
Date: Thu Nov 20 05:35:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Background filtering
Message-ID: <E65A437C2B31E844BC8CE00EEF8C744B36D808@UKEX1>

Hi,
I've setup the Outlook Plug-In and trained on a few thousand messages.
Everything is working great except for background filtering. The mail always
stays in my Inbox until I select the "Filter Messages" option in the pull
down menu. Then the filtering is great. Any idea how to get this to work
automatically when the mail comes into my Inbox?
thanks
Andy

From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Thu Nov 20 06:09:30 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Thu Nov 20 06:09:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Getting Evidence (Was: AssertionError: hamcount <=
	nham)
In-Reply-To: <16315.63426.901164.494473@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
	<20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.45528.694389.991984@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119181336.GB7620@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.52138.672760.740584@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119223108.GA18296@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.63426.901164.494473@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20031120110930.GA3254@nl.linux.org>

Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Getting Evidence (Was: AssertionError: hamcount <=
> 	nham)
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> X-Spambayes-Classification: ham; 0.000 (15)
                                          ~~
:)

> Attached is a little script I wrote (spamcounts.py) but haven't yet
> released.  I use it typically to just view the total spam and ham counts
> like so:

Ah, thanks!

> How does this help you?  Here are a couple ideas:

It is certainly useful, even if it's only for usage as it is now.

>     * modify spamcounts.py to tokenize a message and generate the counts for
>       all tokens.
> 
>     * write a little script which just tokenizes a message and modify
>       spamcounts to take a stream of tokens from stdin.
> 
> Happy hacking...

Yes. Perhaps I shall study how to tokenize or how to use the tokenizer then.
Thanks for the script.

yours,
Gerrit.

-- 
121. If any one store corn in another man's house he shall pay him
storage at the rate of one gur for every five ka of corn per year.
          -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law
-- 
Asperger Syndroom - een persoonlijke benadering:
	http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/
Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet:
	http://www.sp.nl/

From Chris.Rees at Charteris.com  Thu Nov 20 06:48:33 2003
From: Chris.Rees at Charteris.com (Chris Rees)
Date: Thu Nov 20 06:48:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in
Message-ID: <686ED8968527F940B87DE86B13FE00671CB4DA@Neptune.TheMandelbrotSet.com>

I have the latest version of the add-in installed on Outlook 2003 under
Windows XP on my laptop and desktop. At first it worked fine on both.
Then it stopped working on the desktop, but continued to work on the
laptop. I tried reinstalling Outlook and Spambayes (about three times)
and Python, and following the instructions on the Troubleshooting page.
I eventually found that in Help>About Microsoft Outlook there is a
Disabled items button and there was Spambayes, because Outlook thought
that it was interfering! I hit Enable and it works. 

So I no longer have a problem and thanks for the tip, but you may wish
to update the Troubleshooting: the addin is NOT listed on the Com Addins
list which shows when you hit the COM addins button. The list is empty.
Re-installing did not work, as noted above.

The remedy is actually listed in the Troubleshooting page but for
Outlook 2002 not 2003.

Hope this helps. It's a great piece of software.

Regards,

Chris Rees

 


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From edrubins at andisplace.com  Thu Nov 20 08:58:54 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Yehudah Rubinsky)
Date: Thu Nov 20 08:59:03 2003
Subject: Eudora and Norton (was Re: [Spambayes] question about
	Spambayes  setup...)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120085325.00ad2e30@localhost>

Ed >> Note that 1.0a7 requires Python 2.3.

Tony >It shouldn't - do you know of something specific that needs 2.3? 
There were
         >some bugs in 1.0a6 that meant that some scripts didn't work pre 
2.3, but
         >they should have all be resolved for the 1.0a7 release.
         >(The requirement should be Python 2.2).

The snippet below is from dbmstorage.py, and threw an exception on the 
return when I first upgraded to 1.0a7 under Python 2.2.

         def open_dbhash(*args):
         """Open a bsddb hash.  Don't use this on Windows, unless Python 
2.3 or
         greater is used, in which case bsddb3 is actually named bsddb."""
         import bsddb
         return bsddb.hashopen(*args)


Best, Ed



From acira at front-barnett.com  Thu Nov 20 09:28:20 2003
From: acira at front-barnett.com (acira)
Date: Thu Nov 20 09:28:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Loads with Error
Message-ID: <FEC53D38A256E949AC8904A0444B5CC87AA7@fbchi04.front-barnett.com>

I recognize this bug is already being tracked:
[831291] Loads with error - "Could not watch the specified folders".  Per Bugs: Tracker Detailed View, there is no resolution as of yet.

I want to include my error message in hopes of helping you resolve the problem.

I am receiving the same error upon launching Outlook.  I have the SpamBayes Outlook Addin, binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003) installed.
The filtering is disabled when the error is displayed.  I can enable the filter afterwards and spam filter performs as normal.  However, the error is encoutered and filter is disabled every time I launch Outlook 2000 anew.  I also re-configured and re-enable the plugin, but this does not help.

Also, the add-in is not listed in the COM add-ins.  So, I ran the regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll from the SpamBayes directory, this did not add to the list in the COM add-ins.

Machine specifications:
Dell Dimension 4100
P3 866
256MB Ram
10GB HardDrive
Windows 2000 service pack 4
Outlook 2000

Log file is as follows for spambayes1.log:
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\kgreiss\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\kgreiss\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 10 spam and 1 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003) starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 4)
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)]
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox
ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the Spam plugin.\r\n\r\nSpam filtering has been disabled.  Please re-configure\r\nand re-enable this plugin\r\n\r\nError details:\r\nCould not watch the specified folders'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1237, in FiltersChanged
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1248, in UpdateFolderHooks
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1273, in _HookFolderEvents
  File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 539, in GetOutlookItem
  File "win32com/gen_py\00062FFF-0000-0000-C000-000000000046x0x9x0\_NameSpace.py", line 50, in GetFolderFromID
com_error: (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (4096, 'Microsoft Outlook', 'The operation failed.', None, 0, -2147221241), None)
Error processing missed messages!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1193, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1219, in ProcessMissedMessages
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1263, in _GetHookForFolder
KeyError: ('\x00\x00\x00\x008\xa1\xbb\x10\x05\xe5\x10\x1a\xa1\xbb\x08\x00+*V\xc2\x00\x00EMSMDB.DLL\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x1bU\xfa \xaaf\x11\xcd\x9b\xc8\x00\xaa\x00/\xc4Z\x0c\x00\x00\x00FBCHI04\x00/o=Trees Front/ou=TREES/cn=Recipients/cn=KGreis\x00', '\x00\x00\x00\x00\xfcY:\xcb)\x03\xd3\x11\xab\x0f\x00\x80_\xa9\xac\x9a\x01\x00\xa1x3\xf9\x02\x85\xd1\x11\xaa\xed\x00\x80_\xa9\xac\x9a\x00\x00\x00\x08F\xc5\x00\x00')
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\kgreiss\Application Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook
SpamBayes processed 0 messages, finding 0 spam and 0 unsure
Addin terminating: 1 COM client and 2 COM servers exist.

Andrew Cira
Front Barnett Associates LLC
70 W. Madison Street, Suite 4920
Chicago, IL 60602
(312) 641-9589
acira@front-barnett.com

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 20 09:43:48 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Thu Nov 20 09:44:22 2003
Subject: Eudora and Norton (was Re: [Spambayes] question aboutSpambayes
	setup...)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120085325.00ad2e30@localhost>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE682VPwHsTpY00001d18@hotmail.com>

Yehudah Rubinsky wrote:
> Ed >> Note that 1.0a7 requires Python 2.3.
> 
> Tony >It shouldn't - do you know of something specific that needs 2.3?
> There were
>          >some bugs in 1.0a6 that meant that some scripts didn't work
> pre 
> 2.3, but
>          >they should have all be resolved for the 1.0a7 release.
>          >(The requirement should be Python 2.2).
> 
> The snippet below is from dbmstorage.py, and threw an exception on the
> return when I first upgraded to 1.0a7 under Python 2.2.
> 
>          def open_dbhash(*args):
>          """Open a bsddb hash.  Don't use this on Windows, unless
Python 2.3 or
>          greater is used, in which case bsddb3 is actually named
bsddb."""
>          import bsddb
>          return bsddb.hashopen(*args)

Have you installed the bsddb3 package for Python 2.2?  You can find it
here: http://pybsddb.sourceforge.net/.

Python 2.2 includes a package named bsddb, but it is not the same as the
package of the same name in Python 2.3 and it has proven to be
problematic on Windows.  If you install the bsddb3 package, then it
should be chosen over the bsddb package on Python 2.2 systems.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From edrubins at andisplace.com  Thu Nov 20 09:55:21 2003
From: edrubins at andisplace.com (Yehudah Rubinsky)
Date: Thu Nov 20 09:55:48 2003
Subject: Eudora and Norton (was Re: [Spambayes] question
	aboutSpambayes  setup...)
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE682VPwHsTpY00001d18@hotmail.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120085325.00ad2e30@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120095201.03392318@localhost>


> >Have you installed the bsddb3 package for Python 2.2?  You can find it
> >here: http://pybsddb.sourceforge.net/.

Yes I had.

>Python 2.2 includes a package named bsddb, but it is not the same as the
>package of the same name in Python 2.3 and it has proven to be
>problematic on Windows.  If you install the bsddb3 package, then it
>should be chosen over the bsddb package on Python 2.2 systems.

It didn't seem to. And since the comment in the code seem to say "get 2.3 
young man", I did even though I'm not *8=>).


Best, Ed



From post at andre-krause.net  Thu Nov 20 11:49:08 2003
From: post at andre-krause.net (Andre Krause)
Date: Thu Nov 20 11:48:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] need freeware tool that works like disruptor-OL !
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1069343177.26898.spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <000201c3af86$37cc4c00$f84c4681@kyb192>

hello, i've searched all the web and found quite a lot of commercial
outlook plugins that allow me to manually whitelist / blacklist an email
by a single click on a button. 

i found

http://www.hlembke.de/prod/disruptor/

very symphatic, but it's not freeware and has many features i do not
need (for example buildin blacklist server queries and such). i only
need a little cute tool that allows me to build up a whitelist simply by
clicking on a button or scanning a outlook directory. no filtering, no
server-blacklisting.

anyone here has an idea ?


thanks in advance, 

		andre



From JohnH at snetworking.com  Thu Nov 20 12:02:24 2003
From: JohnH at snetworking.com (John Hall)
Date: Thu Nov 20 12:03:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [SPAM] Spambayes Digest, Vol 63, Issue 56
Message-ID: <223286A46C32EE42BF7C2E4177EAD42605C856@sylvester2.snetworking.com>

 

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-request@python.org [mailto:spambayes-request@python.org]

Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:01 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [SPAM] Spambayes Digest, Vol 63, Issue 56

Send Spambayes mailing list submissions to
	spambayes@python.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	spambayes-request@python.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
	spambayes-owner@python.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than
"Re: Contents of Spambayes digest..."


Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Getting Evidence (Was: AssertionError: hamcount <=	nham)
      (Gerrit Holl)
   2. Outlook add-in (Chris Rees)
   3. RE: Eudora and Norton (was Re: [Spambayes] question about
      Spambayes  setup...) (Yehudah Rubinsky)
   4. SpamBayes Loads with Error (acira)
   5. RE: Eudora and Norton (was Re: [Spambayes] question
      aboutSpambayes	setup...) (Kenny Pitt)
   6. RE: Eudora and Norton (was Re: [Spambayes] question
      aboutSpambayes  setup...) (Yehudah Rubinsky)
   7. need freeware tool that works like disruptor-OL ! (Andre Krause)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:09:30 +0100
From: Gerrit Holl <gerrit@nl.linux.org>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Getting Evidence (Was: AssertionError:
	hamcount <=	nham)
To: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <20031120110930.GA3254@nl.linux.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Skip Montanaro wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Getting Evidence (Was: AssertionError:
hamcount <=
> 	nham)
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> X-Spambayes-Classification: ham; 0.000 (15)
                                          ~~
:)

> Attached is a little script I wrote (spamcounts.py) but haven't yet 
> released.  I use it typically to just view the total spam and ham 
> counts like so:

Ah, thanks!

> How does this help you?  Here are a couple ideas:

It is certainly useful, even if it's only for usage as it is now.

>     * modify spamcounts.py to tokenize a message and generate the
counts for
>       all tokens.
> 
>     * write a little script which just tokenizes a message and modify
>       spamcounts to take a stream of tokens from stdin.
> 
> Happy hacking...

Yes. Perhaps I shall study how to tokenize or how to use the tokenizer
then.
Thanks for the script.

yours,
Gerrit.

--
121. If any one store corn in another man's house he shall pay him
storage at the rate of one gur for every five ka of corn per year.
          -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law
--
Asperger Syndroom - een persoonlijke benadering:
	http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/
Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet:
	http://www.sp.nl/



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:48:33 -0000
From: "Chris Rees" <Chris.Rees@Charteris.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID:
	
<686ED8968527F940B87DE86B13FE00671CB4DA@Neptune.TheMandelbrotSet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I have the latest version of the add-in installed on Outlook 2003 under
Windows XP on my laptop and desktop. At first it worked fine on both.
Then it stopped working on the desktop, but continued to work on the
laptop. I tried reinstalling Outlook and Spambayes (about three times)
and Python, and following the instructions on the Troubleshooting page.
I eventually found that in Help>About Microsoft Outlook there is a
Disabled items button and there was Spambayes, because Outlook thought
that it was interfering! I hit Enable and it works. 

So I no longer have a problem and thanks for the tip, but you may wish
to update the Troubleshooting: the addin is NOT listed on the Com Addins
list which shows when you hit the COM addins button. The list is empty.
Re-installing did not work, as noted above.

The remedy is actually listed in the Troubleshooting page but for
Outlook 2002 not 2003.

Hope this helps. It's a great piece of software.

Regards,

Chris Rees

 


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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:58:54 -0500
From: Yehudah Rubinsky <edrubins@andisplace.com>
Subject: RE: Eudora and Norton (was Re: [Spambayes] question about
	Spambayes  setup...)
To: spambayes@python.org
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Ed >> Note that 1.0a7 requires Python 2.3.

Tony >It shouldn't - do you know of something specific that needs 2.3? 
There were
         >some bugs in 1.0a6 that meant that some scripts didn't work
pre 2.3, but
         >they should have all be resolved for the 1.0a7 release.
         >(The requirement should be Python 2.2).

The snippet below is from dbmstorage.py, and threw an exception on the
return when I first upgraded to 1.0a7 under Python 2.2.

         def open_dbhash(*args):
         """Open a bsddb hash.  Don't use this on Windows, unless Python
2.3 or
         greater is used, in which case bsddb3 is actually named
bsddb."""
         import bsddb
         return bsddb.hashopen(*args)


Best, Ed





------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:28:20 -0600
From: "acira" <acira@front-barnett.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Loads with Error
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Cc: kgreiss <kgreiss@front-barnett.com>
Message-ID:
	<FEC53D38A256E949AC8904A0444B5CC87AA7@fbchi04.front-barnett.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

I recognize this bug is already being tracked:
[831291] Loads with error - "Could not watch the specified folders".
Per Bugs: Tracker Detailed View, there is no resolution as of yet.

I want to include my error message in hopes of helping you resolve the
problem.

I am receiving the same error upon launching Outlook.  I have the
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003)
installed.
The filtering is disabled when the error is displayed.  I can enable the
filter afterwards and spam filter performs as normal.  However, the
error is encoutered and filter is disabled every time I launch Outlook
2000 anew.  I also re-configured and re-enable the plugin, but this does
not help.

Also, the add-in is not listed in the COM add-ins.  So, I ran the
regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll from the SpamBayes directory, this did
not add to the list in the COM add-ins.

Machine specifications:
Dell Dimension 4100
P3 866
256MB Ram
10GB HardDrive
Windows 2000 service pack 4
Outlook 2000

Log file is as follows for spambayes1.log:
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\kgreiss\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\kgreiss\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 10 spam and 1 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003)
starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 4)
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit
(Intel)]
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Inbox
ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the Spam plugin.\r\n\r\nSpam
filtering has been disabled.  Please re-configure\r\nand re-enable this
plugin\r\n\r\nError details:\r\nCould not watch the specified folders'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1237, in FiltersChanged
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1248, in UpdateFolderHooks
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1273, in _HookFolderEvents
  File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 539, in GetOutlookItem
  File
"win32com/gen_py\00062FFF-0000-0000-C000-000000000046x0x9x0\_NameSpace.p
y", line 50, in GetFolderFromID
com_error: (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (4096, 'Microsoft
Outlook', 'The operation failed.', None, 0, -2147221241), None)
Error processing missed messages!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1193, in OnConnection
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1219, in ProcessMissedMessages
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1263, in _GetHookForFolder
KeyError:
('\x00\x00\x00\x008\xa1\xbb\x10\x05\xe5\x10\x1a\xa1\xbb\x08\x00+*V\xc2\x
00\x00EMSMDB.DLL\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x1bU\xfa
\xaaf\x11\xcd\x9b\xc8\x00\xaa\x00/\xc4Z\x0c\x00\x00\x00FBCHI04\x00/o=Tre
es Front/ou=TREES/cn=Recipients/cn=KGreis\x00',
'\x00\x00\x00\x00\xfcY:\xcb)\x03\xd3\x11\xab\x0f\x00\x80_\xa9\xac\x9a\x0
1\x00\xa1x3\xf9\x02\x85\xd1\x11\xaa\xed\x00\x80_\xa9\xac\x9a\x00\x00\x00
\x08F\xc5\x00\x00')
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\kgreiss\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook
SpamBayes processed 0 messages, finding 0 spam and 0 unsure
Addin terminating: 1 COM client and 2 COM servers exist.

Andrew Cira
Front Barnett Associates LLC
70 W. Madison Street, Suite 4920
Chicago, IL 60602
(312) 641-9589
acira@front-barnett.com



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:43:48 -0500
From: "Kenny Pitt" <kennypitt@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Eudora and Norton (was Re: [Spambayes] question
	aboutSpambayes	setup...)
To: "'Yehudah Rubinsky'" <edrubins@andisplace.com>,
	<spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE682VPwHsTpY00001d18@hotmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Yehudah Rubinsky wrote:
> Ed >> Note that 1.0a7 requires Python 2.3.
> 
> Tony >It shouldn't - do you know of something specific that needs 2.3?
> There were
>          >some bugs in 1.0a6 that meant that some scripts didn't work
> pre 
> 2.3, but
>          >they should have all be resolved for the 1.0a7 release.
>          >(The requirement should be Python 2.2).
> 
> The snippet below is from dbmstorage.py, and threw an exception on the
> return when I first upgraded to 1.0a7 under Python 2.2.
> 
>          def open_dbhash(*args):
>          """Open a bsddb hash.  Don't use this on Windows, unless
Python 2.3 or
>          greater is used, in which case bsddb3 is actually named
bsddb."""
>          import bsddb
>          return bsddb.hashopen(*args)

Have you installed the bsddb3 package for Python 2.2?  You can find it
here: http://pybsddb.sourceforge.net/.

Python 2.2 includes a package named bsddb, but it is not the same as the
package of the same name in Python 2.3 and it has proven to be
problematic on Windows.  If you install the bsddb3 package, then it
should be chosen over the bsddb package on Python 2.2 systems.

-- 
Kenny Pitt




------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:55:21 -0500
From: Yehudah Rubinsky <edrubins@andisplace.com>
Subject: RE: Eudora and Norton (was Re: [Spambayes] question
	aboutSpambayes  setup...)
To: spambayes@python.org
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031120095201.03392318@localhost>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed


> >Have you installed the bsddb3 package for Python 2.2?  You can find
it
> >here: http://pybsddb.sourceforge.net/.

Yes I had.

>Python 2.2 includes a package named bsddb, but it is not the same as
the
>package of the same name in Python 2.3 and it has proven to be
>problematic on Windows.  If you install the bsddb3 package, then it
>should be chosen over the bsddb package on Python 2.2 systems.

It didn't seem to. And since the comment in the code seem to say "get
2.3 
young man", I did even though I'm not *8=>).


Best, Ed





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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:49:08 +0100
From: "Andre Krause" <post@andre-krause.net>
Subject: [Spambayes] need freeware tool that works like disruptor-OL !
To: <spambayes@python.org>
Message-ID: <000201c3af86$37cc4c00$f84c4681@kyb192>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

hello, i've searched all the web and found quite a lot of commercial
outlook plugins that allow me to manually whitelist / blacklist an email
by a single click on a button. 

i found

http://www.hlembke.de/prod/disruptor/

very symphatic, but it's not freeware and has many features i do not
need (for example buildin blacklist server queries and such). i only
need a little cute tool that allows me to build up a whitelist simply by
clicking on a button or scanning a outlook directory. no filtering, no
server-blacklisting.

anyone here has an idea ?


thanks in advance, 

		andre





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From atom at suspicious.org  Thu Nov 20 12:19:44 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Thu Nov 20 12:20:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] any *nix users on list?
In-Reply-To: <000201c3af86$37cc4c00$f84c4681@kyb192>
References: <000201c3af86$37cc4c00$f84c4681@kyb192>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311200908580.96083@research.suspicious.org>

i'm in a 100% microsoft-free environment (and very happy about it!), and
was wondering about what percentage of the list is *nix based and what
percentage is M$ based.

anyway, i just installed it and i'm using it with qmail and a text-based
server-side MUA. procmail is installed on the server, but i'm not using
it. within the next few weeks (after more testing) i should release some
cool scripts (including my procmail-free .qmail-file) for this, if anyone
is interested.


	...atom

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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Nov 20 12:41:56 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Nov 20 12:42:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] any *nix users on list?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311200908580.96083@research.suspicious.org>
References: <000201c3af86$37cc4c00$f84c4681@kyb192>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311200908580.96083@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <16316.64740.939014.631685@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    atom> i'm in a 100% microsoft-free environment (and very happy about
    atom> it!), and was wondering about what percentage of the list is *nix
    atom> based and what percentage is M$ based.

There are a number of us.  I happen to use SB in a MacOSX/sendmail/procmail
environment. 

Skip

From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Thu Nov 20 12:53:54 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Thu Nov 20 12:54:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Getting Evidence
In-Reply-To: <16315.63426.901164.494473@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20031119115424.GA4439@nl.linux.org>
	<20031119174213.GA7318@nl.linux.org>
	<3FBBAD83.1010602@videotron.ca>
	<20031119175723.GA22642@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.45528.694389.991984@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119181336.GB7620@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.52138.672760.740584@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<20031119223108.GA18296@nl.linux.org>
	<16315.63426.901164.494473@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20031120175354.GA10130@nl.linux.org>

Skip Montanaro wrote:
> How does this help you?  Here are a couple ideas:
> 
>     * modify spamcounts.py to tokenize a message and generate the counts for
>       all tokens.
> 
>     * write a little script which just tokenizes a message and modify
>       spamcounts to take a stream of tokens from stdin.
> 
> Happy hacking...

I have chosen for an even simpler solution:

#!/usr/bin/python

import sys
import email

import spamcounts

m = email.message_from_file(sys.stdin)
if not m["X-Spambayes-Evidence"]:
    sys.exit("No evidence found!")
d = eval("{" + m["X-Spambayes-Evidence"].replace(';', ',') + "}")

spamcounts.main(d.keys())

it's not all that elegant, but it works :)

yours,
Gerrit.

-- 
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owner.
          -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law
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Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet:
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From peterl at standingwave.org  Thu Nov 20 16:45:52 2003
From: peterl at standingwave.org (Peter Loron)
Date: Thu Nov 20 16:46:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] any *nix users on list?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311200908580.96083@research.suspicious.org>
References: <000201c3af86$37cc4c00$f84c4681@kyb192>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311200908580.96083@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <3FBD3610.6020304@standingwave.org>

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Yep. I run a FreeBSD box and use procmail to filter everything server-side.

Since I'm here, a question for the list... If this is answere in the
Wiki or some other place, please point me at it. I was unable to find it:

I access my mail through SSL tunnled IMAP from multiple clients on
different machines. Can I set up the IMAPproxy on the server and connect
to it that way, instead of having it local on each client? Is there any
advantage to doing that over using procmail to filter things into
folders that I then acces with the mail client?

Thanks.

- -Pete

Atom 'Smasher' wrote:

| i'm in a 100% microsoft-free environment (and very happy about it!), and
| was wondering about what percentage of the list is *nix based and what
| percentage is M$ based.
|
| anyway, i just installed it and i'm using it with qmail and a text-based
| server-side MUA. procmail is installed on the server, but i'm not using
| it. within the next few weeks (after more testing) i should release some
| cool scripts (including my procmail-free .qmail-file) for this, if anyone
| is interested.
|
|
| 	...atom
|
| _______________________________________________
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| -------------------------------------------------
|
| 	"I would rather fail in a cause that will ultimately triumph
| 	 than triumph in a cause that will ultimately fail."
| 		-- Woodrow Wilson
|
|
| _______________________________________________
| Spambayes@python.org
| http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
| Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
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From kbirkett at flash.net  Thu Nov 20 21:54:34 2003
From: kbirkett at flash.net (Katharine Birkett)
Date: Thu Nov 20 21:36:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] initial training bug--but I love spambayes anyway
Message-ID: <NGBBLBOAIHCOPFBGHPJOAELNCOAA.kbirkett@flash.net>



Here's the bug: I have Windows 98 and Office 2000. When I installed
Spambayes I decided to set up two folders to pre-sort and pre-train. I was
able to set up the two folders, and I filled them with stuff, but at the
point in the installation where I was asked which folders they were, I could
navigate to the folders, and I could select them, but I couldn't get the
program to know that I had selected them. Nothing ever appeared in those
blanks where the folder names were supposed to appear, and I couldn't enter
the folder names directly, either. So I couldn't proceed with that option.
So I backed up the installation, told it I hadn't done any pre-sorting, and
went with the train-as-you-go option instead.

We've been using Spambayes for about two weeks now. I keep on lowering the
upper bound. We love your program!! With the upper bound at 70 and the lower
bound at 15 we get a junk folder with only bad stuff (almost all the porn
lands there), a suspects folder with mostly mortgage spam, and an inbox with
almost only what we want in it. You have given us our inbox back. We get 500
to 700 emails a week, I guess, and 95% is junk. Soon we will no longer even
check the junk folder--I'm just checking it now to try to optimize the upper
bound. THANK YOU!!

Katharine Birkett

P.S. We'd like to send you a contribution--where and how?


From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com  Thu Nov 20 21:43:55 2003
From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Thu Nov 20 21:44:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] initial training bug--but I love spambayes anyway
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLBOAIHCOPFBGHPJOAELNCOAA.kbirkett@flash.net>
References: <NGBBLBOAIHCOPFBGHPJOAELNCOAA.kbirkett@flash.net>
Message-ID: <opryyu7hatit6vze@mail.fourstonesExpressions.com>

I'll leave the bug to the outlook gurus... I'm guessing, though, that 
Win98 is the problem.

As for donations, here's the url, with an explanation of our wishes along 
those lines.  Thanks for your support!

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:54:34 -0500, Katharine Birkett <kbirkett@flash.net> 
wrote:

>
>
> Here's the bug: I have Windows 98 and Office 2000. When I installed
> Spambayes I decided to set up two folders to pre-sort and pre-train. I 
> was
> able to set up the two folders, and I filled them with stuff, but at the
> point in the installation where I was asked which folders they were, I 
> could
> navigate to the folders, and I could select them, but I couldn't get the
> program to know that I had selected them. Nothing ever appeared in those
> blanks where the folder names were supposed to appear, and I couldn't 
> enter
> the folder names directly, either. So I couldn't proceed with that 
> option.
> So I backed up the installation, told it I hadn't done any pre-sorting, 
> and
> went with the train-as-you-go option instead.
>
> We've been using Spambayes for about two weeks now. I keep on lowering 
> the
> upper bound. We love your program!! With the upper bound at 70 and the 
> lower
> bound at 15 we get a junk folder with only bad stuff (almost all the porn
> lands there), a suspects folder with mostly mortgage spam, and an inbox 
> with
> almost only what we want in it. You have given us our inbox back. We get 
> 500
> to 700 emails a week, I guess, and 95% is junk. Soon we will no longer 
> even
> check the junk folder--I'm just checking it now to try to optimize the 
> upper
> bound. THANK YOU!!
>
> Katharine Birkett
>
> P.S. We'd like to send you a contribution--where and how?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
>



-- 

Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself!
Tim Stone
www.fourstonesExpressions.com

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Nov 20 22:15:37 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu Nov 20 22:18:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] initial training bug--but I love spambayes anyway
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206D14@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29DF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Katharine Birkett]
> I was able to set up the two folders, and 
> I filled them with stuff, but at the point in the
> installation where I was asked which folders they were,
> I could navigate to the folders, and I could select them,
> but I couldn't get the program to know that I had
> selected them. Nothing ever appeared in those blanks
> where the folder names were supposed to appear, and I
> couldn't enter the folder names directly, either.

Is this with the Outlook plug-in?  So the checkmarks appeared next to the
names, but then it didn't use the folders?  Was this with the wizard, or via
the spambayes manager dialog?  Was this version 008.1 of the plug-in?  Did
any error message appear?

> P.S. We'd like to send you a contribution--where and how?

[Tim Stone]
> As for donations, here's the url, with an explanation of our 
> wishes along those lines.  Thanks for your support!

Tim meant to include this, I think:
<http://spambayes.org/donations.html>

=Tony Meyer


From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 00:40:04 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 00:40:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] need .spambayesrc in *nix
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202001020.21942@research.suspicious.org>

is there a way generate an auto-pilot .spambayesrc?

are there any other .spambayes* files?


 	...atom

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From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 00:44:05 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 00:44:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] need .spambayesrc in *nix
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202001020.21942@research.suspicious.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202001020.21942@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202143230.34014@research.suspicious.org>

also, where is the documentation for the stuff that lives in that file?

thanks....


        ...atom

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Nov 21 00:53:37 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri Nov 21 00:53:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] need .spambayesrc in *nix
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206D66@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29E0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> is there a way generate an auto-pilot .spambayesrc?

Do you mean generate one automatically?  There is an unfinished script that
will do this, for various mail clients.  It's called autoconfigure.py and is
in the (spambayes) windows directory.  The docstring has details about how
to use it.  Note that it has only been tested with windows clients so far -
how well it works on other platforms depends on how similar the various mail
clients' configuration files are.  Contributions to this (and anything else)
are welcome.

> are there any other .spambayes* files?

SpamBayes will create two database files as well, but it takes care of
managing those (although you can set where they are located and what format
they are in).

> also, where is the documentation for the stuff that lives in that file?

Look at FAQs 4.11 and 4.12:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-configure-spambayes>
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#now-i-know-what-the-format-looks-
like-but-what-options-do-i-need-to-set>

=Tony Meyer


From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 01:25:03 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 01:25:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] need .spambayesrc in *nix
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29E0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29E0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202202390.34014@research.suspicious.org>

> > are there any other .spambayes* files?
>
> SpamBayes will create two database files as well, but it takes care of
> managing those (although you can set where they are located and what format
> they are in).
=========================
i seem to have these databases:
	.hammiedb.bak	.hammiedb.dat	.hammiedb.dir

i thought some docs also mentioned:
	.spambayes_hammie.db.dat	.spambayes_hammie.db.dir

are those still used? or is that an older version of what i have?



> > also, where is the documentation for the stuff that lives in that file?
>
> Look at FAQs 4.11 and 4.12:
>
> <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-configure-spambayes>
> <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#now-i-know-what-the-format-looks-
> like-but-what-options-do-i-need-to-set>
=========================
a *LOT* of stuff! i'll read through that, but it seems to work fine with
no rc file... i guess it just falls back on the defaults...


thanks....


        ...atom

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From jccoe at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 21 01:27:25 2003
From: jccoe at sbcglobal.net (Jack Coe)
Date: Fri Nov 21 01:27:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How do I uninstall spambayes from outlook 2003
Message-ID: <E1AN4lH-00055K-3e@mail.python.org>

 I would like to compare outlooks spam program with spambayer . I need to
uninstall add in for outlook .
Thanks

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.534 / Virus Database: 329 - Release Date: 10/31/2003
 
From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov 21 01:30:48 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov 21 01:30:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] question about Spambayes setup...
In-Reply-To: <20031119193738.3430.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEHEHEAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[fred fredwin]
> Greetings !
> I recently came across SpamBayes and am very excited about using it
> (tried other spam filtering software, and it was a pretty big waste
> of time).  I've got it set up, and it works fine, but I want to
> know if anyone has any setup tips?

Well, everyone seems to work in a different way.  We haven't yet done
appropriate research on effective real-life training schemes, but the good
news is that just about anything works.  The most important rule of thumb
gained from experience is that things work best when the # of ham and # of
spam trained on are approximately the same.

> I was thinking of having a folder with known bad spam, which would
> not be deleted and kept in Outlook today, along with known ham,
> kept in another folder, each having about 500 messages to compare
> incoming spam to, which would periodically take new messages (ham
> and spam), put them in the respective folder, and then periodically
> delete old spam/ham messages.  This would keep an updated list of
> spam/ham, to stay on par with the spammers (they always were one
> step ahead any kind of spam filtering software).  any suggestions
> would be appreciated...

I created a distinct .pst file, which holds (just) my Ham and Spam
training-data folders.  SpamBayes is configured to move spam directly into
that Spam folder, and Unsures into a "Z UNSURE" folder in my main .pst file
("Z UNSURE" so it falls to the bottom of the tree display).  About once a
day I move all the new spam into my Deleted Items folder, which has a Spam
score column and is set to sort on that.  Z UNSURE is also set to sort on
Spam score.  That makes it easy to eyeball one end of the displays for
mistakes.  When I need to train on a ham, I drag a *copy* of it to the Ham
training folder (hold down right mouse button while dragging, and select
Copy from the context menu that pops up when you release the button).

After seeding with a few hundred msgs of each kind, you're probably going to
find that you don't need much training anymore.  This isn't a rule-based
system, so spammers can't evade it by "learning the rules" and crafting spam
to get around them.  On rare occasions they invent a new way of obfuscating
HTML that's actually effective, and I notice that by staring at the guts of
low-scoring Unsures; then I check in a change to the tokenizer to
de-obfuscate it; I think I've done that about 3 times over the past year.
Spammers really aren't getting any better at fooling this system.  This
isn't surprising, since rule-based systems dominate the commercial
spam-blocking market, and spam is a mass-market game.  SpamBayes isn't yet
worth the bother of targeting.  When you see a low-scoring spam, train on
it; the system does learn.

Anyway, there are a couple reasons I use a distinct .pst file for my
training data.  One is so that I can retrain from scratch in an eyeblink.
Since I work on the guts of this system, that's important so I can judge the
effect of changes.  It also makes it possible to recover from database
corruption in an eyeblink, but I've never seen that happen (*some* people
do -- this still isn't understood, alas).  But the primary reason I use a
different .pst is that I need to copy my main .pst file between desktop and
laptop several times per week, and it saves major "sit and wait" time to
keep that file as small as possible.  I don't bother trying to keep the
classifiers in synch across machines; they each have their own database.

Every now & again I blow away my classifier and start over from scratch.
This is just because I enjoy watching it learn.  There are also a number of
practical advantages to keeping your training database relatively small.  If
you end up maintaining a database with many thousands of ham and spam, that
has a way of turning into its own kind of time sink.

Ah!  Add a Spam score column to your Ham and Spam training folders, and sort
on that column.  Every now & again rescore all the messages in them
(SpamBayes -> Filter messages ...).  Look at "the wrong end" then (at
high-scoring training ham and low-scoring training spam).  If you made any
mistakes in classifying (everyone eventually does!), they'll almost always
show up at the wrong end.  The worst thing you can do with this kind of
system is train a message into the wrong category -- it has no predefined
notions of what "ham" and "spam" are, and believes whatever you tell it to
believe.  That's mostly a great strength, but it's also a great weakness
when you make a mistake.

Caution:  Don't get too complacent too soon.  Many kinds of commercial email
you want (whether ordering products online, or getting a flashy company
newsletter) have a lot in common with most peoples' idea of what spam is,
because they're all trying to sell you something.  The language of
advertising is distinctive, and commercial email you want is quite likely to
score as a high Unsure, or even as Spam, the first time or two you get one
from a given company.  Just keep your eyes open and train accordingly.

Also remember that it doesn't matter what anyone *else* insists "spam" is.
For example, I get some commercial email from companies that have a good
case for sending it to me (for example, I was a customer, or even signed up
for a newsletter once), but that I don't want anymore.  I just tell my
classifier it's spam, and I'm not bothered with it anymore.  There are also
some kinds of dubious messages I enjoy (spam *can* be highly entertaining,
in a train-wreck sort of way), and I tell my classifier those are ham.
That's OK with SpamBayes -- it's happy to classify any way you tell it to.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov 21 01:36:19 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov 21 01:36:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How do I uninstall spambayes from outlook 2003
In-Reply-To: <E1AN4lH-00055K-3e@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCGEHFHEAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Jack Coe]
>  I would like to compare outlooks spam program with spambayer . I
> need to uninstall add in for outlook .

You don't need to uninstall for that.  Just uncheck the "Enable Spambayes"
box on the default (General) tab of the SpamBayes -> SpamBayes Manager
dialog.


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Nov 21 01:42:21 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri Nov 21 01:42:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] need .spambayesrc in *nix
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206D75@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> i seem to have these databases:
> 	.hammiedb.bak	.hammiedb.dat	.hammiedb.dir
> 
> i thought some docs also mentioned:
> 	.spambayes_hammie.db.dat	.spambayes_hammie.db.dir
> 
> are those still used? or is that an older version of what i have?

If you have .dat and .dir files, this means you're using dumbdbm (the FAQ
has stuff about this, too).  This is *not* a good idea; in fact recent
versions of SpamBayes refuse to let you use it.  See the FAQ for details
about switching over to a pickle or bsddb.

> > > also, where is the documentation for the stuff that lives 
> in that file?
[...]
> a *LOT* of stuff! i'll read through that, but it seems to
> work fine with no rc file... i guess it just falls back on
> the defaults...

Indeed.  SpamBayes is *very* configurable - but the only details you
actually need to give it to work just fine are server details if you're
using the POP3 proxy, or server, username and folder details if the IMAP
filter.  (If you're using sb_filter, or something like that, then none at
all should be fine, IIRC).  The majority of other options will probably only
be necessary if you feel like testing or developing.

=Tony Meyer


From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 02:32:56 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 02:33:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] need .spambayesrc in *nix
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202325190.34014@research.suspicious.org>

> > i seem to have these databases:
> > 	.hammiedb.bak	.hammiedb.dat	.hammiedb.dir
> >
> > i thought some docs also mentioned:
> > 	.spambayes_hammie.db.dat	.spambayes_hammie.db.dir
> >
> > are those still used? or is that an older version of what i have?
>
> If you have .dat and .dir files, this means you're using dumbdbm (the FAQ
> has stuff about this, too).  This is *not* a good idea; in fact recent
> versions of SpamBayes refuse to let you use it.  See the FAQ for details
> about switching over to a pickle or bsddb.
========================

cool... i just installed pybsddb and rebuilt the database (with the "-f"
option of mboxtrain.py)... the file is smaller and the filtering time
dropped to 25% of the time that it was before.

and i'll guess it'll be ready to go when i upgrade spambayes...



> > > > also, where is the documentation for the stuff that lives
> > in that file?
> [...]
> > a *LOT* of stuff! i'll read through that, but it seems to
> > work fine with no rc file... i guess it just falls back on
> > the defaults...
>
> Indeed.  SpamBayes is *very* configurable - but the only details you
> actually need to give it to work just fine are server details if you're
> using the POP3 proxy, or server, username and folder details if the IMAP
> filter.  (If you're using sb_filter, or something like that, then none at
> all should be fine, IIRC).  The majority of other options will probably only
> be necessary if you feel like testing or developing.
===================
i'm using hammiefilter.py and it it seems fine without a config... but
it's good to know i can tweak it, just in case ;)



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From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 02:37:51 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 02:38:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] need .spambayesrc in *nix
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29E0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29E0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202336010.34014@research.suspicious.org>

> SpamBayes will create two database files as well, but it takes care of
> managing those (although you can set where they are located and what format
> they are in).
============================
two db files? i only see the ~/.hammiedb

i'm using 1.0.a.4, if it makes a difference.


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From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 03:01:09 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 03:01:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202357170.34014@research.suspicious.org>

ok... i just tried to upgrade from a4 to a7 and i'm getting error messages
like:

$ sb_mboxtrain.py -f -d .hammiedb -g Maildir/
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 315, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 296, in main
    h = hammie.open(pck, usedb, "c")
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 258, in open
    return Hammie(storage.open_storage(filename, useDB, mode))
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 675, in open_storage
    return klass(data_source_name, mode)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 162, in __init__
    self.load()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 187, in load
    self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 60, in open
    return f(db_name, mode)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 19, in open_dbhash
    import bsddb
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", line 40, in ?
    import _bsddb
ImportError: No module named _bsddb

????????????????????????????????????????????????????

any ideas? i had pybsddb working with a4.



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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Nov 21 03:30:47 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri Nov 21 03:30:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] need .spambayesrc in *nix
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206DA6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B175@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Tony]
> SpamBayes will create two database files as well, but it 
> takes care of managing those (although you can set where
> they are located and what format they are in).

[Atom]
> two db files? i only see the ~/.hammiedb
> 
> i'm using 1.0.a.4, if it makes a difference.

No, my mistake.  The second one is a 'messageinfo' database, but you'll only
get that if you use the POP3 proxy or IMAP filter.  (All my messages in this
thread ignore the Outlook plug-in).

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Nov 21 03:34:28 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri Nov 21 03:34:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] any *nix users on list?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206C52@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B176@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I access my mail through SSL tunnled IMAP from multiple 
> clients on different machines. Can I set up the IMAPproxy on 
> the server and connect to it that way, instead of having it 
> local on each client? 

Firstly - the (current) SpamBayes IMAP solution is a filter, not a proxy.
But, yes, you can run this wherever you like, as long as it can connect to
the IMAP server.

> Is there any advantage to doing that 
> over using procmail to filter things into folders that I then 
> acces with the mail client?

I don't really know :)  I guess it depends on how simple it is to get the
procmail setup going - if it's easy enough, then maybe you don't need
imapfilter.  All the imapfilter script does, really, is take care of getting
the contents of messages and then does the same thing as mboxtrain or
sb_filter (and various housekeeping, so that messages can be identified in
the future).

=Tony Meyer


From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 05:16:22 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 05:16:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade // python version problem?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202357170.34014@research.suspicious.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202357170.34014@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311210150310.34014@research.suspicious.org>

this is weird...

i just tried this on 2 freeBSD boxes and on both of them spambayes can
access it's db fine with python-2.2.3_2 and fails miserably with
python-2.3.2_2.

upgrade, test. downgrade, test. upgrade, test. repeat.


any ideas? is this a known issue? should i go to sleep now?




On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Atom 'Smasher' wrote:

> ok... i just tried to upgrade from a4 to a7 and i'm getting error messages
> like:
>
> $ sb_mboxtrain.py -f -d .hammiedb -g Maildir/
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 315, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/bin/sb_mboxtrain.py", line 296, in main
>     h = hammie.open(pck, usedb, "c")
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 258, in open
>     return Hammie(storage.open_storage(filename, useDB, mode))
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 675, in open_storage
>     return klass(data_source_name, mode)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 162, in __init__
>     self.load()
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 187, in load
>     self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 60, in open
>     return f(db_name, mode)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 19, in open_dbhash
>     import bsddb
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", line 40, in ?
>     import _bsddb
> ImportError: No module named _bsddb
>
> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
> any ideas? i had pybsddb working with a4.

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From ian at astounding.org.uk  Fri Nov 21 05:38:19 2003
From: ian at astounding.org.uk (Ian Smith)
Date: Fri Nov 21 05:35:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] need .spambayesrc in *nix
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29E0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311211035200.15228-100000@acheron.smithnet>

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Tony Meyer wrote:

[of .spambayesrc]
>
> > also, where is the documentation for the stuff that lives in that file?
>
> Look at FAQs 4.11 and 4.12:
>
> <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-configure-spambayes>
> <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#now-i-know-what-the-format-looks-
> like-but-what-options-do-i-need-to-set>

Also, I found you can read the file Options.py (can't remebre where it is
when installed, but it was fairly easy to find).  The format of that is
such that working out what goes into teh rc file.  At least, that's what I
did, and it seems to have worked...

regards,   Ian SMith


From czhou at womble.com  Fri Nov 21 09:35:42 2003
From: czhou at womble.com (Chang Zhou)
Date: Fri Nov 21 09:34:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion: make "SpamBayes Manager->Training->Start
	Training" a top level button?
Message-ID: <000801c3b03c$be50ab70$6f02a8c0@allen>

Hello,

I frequently use the command sequence above, which requires
a total of 5 mouse clicks to include a few new messages in the
good and spam lists:
    1. click on SpamBayes to open the pulldown menu
    2. click on the "SpamBayes Manager" item
    3. click on the "Training" page
    4. click on the "Start Training"
    5. click on the "Close" button

Infrequently, I will go into the SpamBayes Manager to add a few
new good message folders; rarely I will touch its other controls.

Thanks for your great spam filter.

Best regards,

--- Chang


From daury.powell at unisys.com  Fri Nov 21 12:09:40 2003
From: daury.powell at unisys.com (Powell, Daury L)
Date: Fri Nov 21 12:42:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problem
Message-ID: <5AB7FF75FC8DC746A43B8E4E60673B72190FB8@usaus-exch1.na.uis.unisys.com>

just had it installed a few days--when one of my co-workers send me a message, it arrives in the inbox for less than a second and dissappears--it doesn't show up in the spam file, deleted file, or anywhere I can find.  Also, at times, I get a indicator that I have recieved mail, but there is none in the in box, or in the spam file.

From mossesq at earthlink.net  Fri Nov 21 12:54:11 2003
From: mossesq at earthlink.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri Nov 21 12:54:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] It stopped working!!
Message-ID: <000401c3b058$789f6af0$6501a8c0@jmosslpc>

I do not know what happened, but Spambayes was working great, then
stopped!  I tried uninstall and redownloading and reinstall, but it made
no difference.  Even after uninstall and before the download, the
"Delete as Spam" Icon and the "Spambays" drop down were there, but
clicking on Delete as spam did nothing, and there was no drop down on
the spambayse key.  I used to get a drop down box re: the manager.  What
happened?
 
Jeff Moss

 

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From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Fri Nov 21 14:14:04 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Fri Nov 21 14:14:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211059360.24062@research.suspicious.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
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	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211059360.24062@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <3FBE63FC.9030003@videotron.ca>

Hi,

>no-go...
>
>i've got:
>db3-3.3.11,1        The Berkeley DB package, revision 3.3
>db4-4.0.14_1,1      The Berkeley DB package, revision 4
>db41-4.1.25_1       The Berkeley DB package, revision 4.1
>
>
>even with the 4* DBs removed, and only db3 installed, it works fine with
>old python, craps on new python.
>
>i don't code in python, so i don't know where to start....
>
>
>On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, papaDoc wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I think you should try to install bsddb3 there was a email on that topic
>>a few days ago.
>>
>>Remi
>>
>>    
>>
>>>ok... i just tried to upgrade from a4 to a7 and i'm getting error messages
>>>like:
>>>
>>>
>>> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", line 40, in ?
>>>   import _bsddb
>>>ImportError: No module named _bsddb
>>>

I think ( can someone correct me if I'm wrong) that you don't get the 
bsddb you expect.

Try to add at the beginning of  your environment variable PYTHONPATH the 
directory of db3-3

Remi



From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 14:18:09 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 14:18:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <3FBE63FC.9030003@videotron.ca>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202357170.34014@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE15B2.4060501@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211059360.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE63FC.9030003@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211116000.24062@research.suspicious.org>

> >db3-3.3.11,1        The Berkeley DB package, revision 3.3
> >db4-4.0.14_1,1      The Berkeley DB package, revision 4
> >db41-4.1.25_1       The Berkeley DB package, revision 4.1


> I think ( can someone correct me if I'm wrong) that you don't get the
> bsddb you expect.
>
> Try to add at the beginning of  your environment variable PYTHONPATH the
> directory of db3-3
==================================

i'm getting the same error with db4* removed, so that leads me to think
that it's not attempting to use it.

also, the freeBSD port of:
py22-bsddb3-4.1.6   Python extension module for BerkeleyDB 3 and 4
*requires* bsddb4.



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	 at any moment by accident or miscalculation or madness."
		-- John F. Kennedy


From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 14:24:28 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 14:24:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211116000.24062@research.suspicious.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202357170.34014@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE15B2.4060501@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211059360.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE63FC.9030003@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211116000.24062@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211121540.24062@research.suspicious.org>

> also, the freeBSD port of:
> py22-bsddb3-4.1.6   Python extension module for BerkeleyDB 3 and 4
> *requires* bsddb4.
==========================

hhmmm.... could it be that "py22-bsddb3-4.1.6" only works with pyhon2.2?

i've gotta run, but when i get back i'll try loading up "py23-bsddb-2.3.2"
and see if it's just a typical case of user error....


        ...atom

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From Sorin.Dosoftei at imtcomputers.com  Fri Nov 21 16:06:47 2003
From: Sorin.Dosoftei at imtcomputers.com (Sorin Dosoftei)
Date: Fri Nov 21 16:06:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] AntiSpam software - tech support
Message-ID: <E91FD17B5D944546AADAC98D2A8AE63F07AC48@imtsbs2000.imtcomputers.com>

Hi,
 
Downloaded your AntiSpam software. It looks pretty good.
Now, I have some e-mail that, when I try to ":-( delete them as spam", it gives me an error message:
 
"No filterable mail items are selected"
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Sorin Dosoftei 
IT Consultant - A+, Network+, MCSA 
Innovative Micro Technologies 
39 Maple Tree Ave. 
Stamford, CT 06906 
 
Phone: (203) 969-2255 
Fax: (203) 969-2266 
 
Email: sorin.dosoftei@imtcomputers.com 
http://www.IMTcomputers.com
 
 
 
From mikes at xtras.com  Fri Nov 21 16:16:39 2003
From: mikes at xtras.com (Mike Schinkel)
Date: Fri Nov 21 16:16:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 Crashing w/SpamBayes v0.81
Message-ID: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D36633F016@xmail.xtras.com>

I've just installed Office 2003 and ran up update online, and SpamBayes
now crashes Outlook.
Outlook XP is still on my machine and it still runs SpamBayes fine.

Whenever I click the "Delete as Spam" button of the "SpamBayes" button,
it crashes with the "Can I send this info to Microsoft" message.

I googled "Spambayes and Outlook 2003" but found no answers.

Any ideas?  Thanks in advance.

-Mike Schinkel
From skip at pobox.com  Fri Nov 21 16:46:11 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Nov 21 16:46:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211121540.24062@research.suspicious.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202357170.34014@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE15B2.4060501@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211059360.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE63FC.9030003@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211116000.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211121540.24062@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <16318.34723.529676.91474@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> also, the freeBSD port of:
    >> py22-bsddb3-4.1.6   Python extension module for BerkeleyDB 3 and 4
    >> *requires* bsddb4.
    atom> ==========================

    atom> hhmmm.... could it be that "py22-bsddb3-4.1.6" only works with
    atom> pyhon2.2?

Most likely, yes.

Skip

From Brad.Berson at abc.com  Fri Nov 21 17:37:24 2003
From: Brad.Berson at abc.com (Berson, Brad)
Date: Fri Nov 21 17:37:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Incoming email alerts...
Message-ID: <E506B3FF6BC1254C9AC1B948C380BC28077A54@sm-nyny-xm05.nena.wdpr.disney.com>

Hi, I just began trying out the SpamBayes Outlook plug-in.  Great product!!!  I'm very grateful for software like this.  I use Vamsoft's Open Relay Filter on my Exchange box but even with a half-dozen DNSBLs it's not even 90% effective.

The documented problem of not being able to squash the incoming email notification when an email is routed to the junk e-mail folder is something that interests me because of the frequency of the junk coming in, sometimes close to 100 a day.

There's a product called Qurb which according to what I've read, may have gotten around this obstacle somehow.  I have not evaluated it because whitelist solutions do not interest me.  Just thought you folks might want to check that out.

Thanks for the hard work.

Sincerely,
Brad Berson

From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 18:43:28 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 18:43:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211121540.24062@research.suspicious.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202357170.34014@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE15B2.4060501@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211059360.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE63FC.9030003@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211116000.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211121540.24062@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211540370.24062@research.suspicious.org>

> hhmmm.... could it be that "py22-bsddb3-4.1.6" only works with pyhon2.2?
>
> i've gotta run, but when i get back i'll try loading up "py23-bsddb-2.3.2"
> and see if it's just a typical case of user error....
========================

on one server i'm leaving in python 2.2, and all is well.

on the other server, i'm fighting with it and have these relevant packages
installed:
 db3-3.3.11,1        The Berkeley DB package, revision 3.3
 db4-4.0.14_1,1      The Berkeley DB package, revision 4
 py23-bsddb-2.3.2    Python bindings to the Berkeley DB library
 python-2.3.2_2      An interpreted object-oriented programming language

here's the error i'm getting now...

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
$ sb_filter.py -n
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 186, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 174, in main
    h.newdb()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 114, in newdb
    h.store()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 247, in store
    self.bayes.store()
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'store'
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

????


 	...atom

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From atom at suspicious.org  Fri Nov 21 18:59:30 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Fri Nov 21 18:59:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211540370.24062@research.suspicious.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202357170.34014@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE15B2.4060501@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211059360.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE63FC.9030003@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211116000.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211121540.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211540370.24062@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211558410.24062@research.suspicious.org>

>  db3-3.3.11,1        The Berkeley DB package, revision 3.3
>  db4-4.0.14_1,1      The Berkeley DB package, revision 4
>  py23-bsddb-2.3.2    Python bindings to the Berkeley DB library
>  python-2.3.2_2      An interpreted object-oriented programming language
======================

i meant this one py-bsdbd:
py23-bsddb3-4.1.6   Python extension module for BerkeleyDB 3 and 4

still not working....


        ...atom

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	 poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when
	 the best he can get out of it is to come back to his
	 farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't
	 want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for
	 that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after
	 all it is the leaders of the country who determine the
	 policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the
	 people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
	 dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
	 dictatorship... Voice or no voice, the people can always
	 be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
	 All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked,
	 and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
	 exposing the country to danger."
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		Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander,
		at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov 21 23:08:02 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov 21 23:08:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Incoming email alerts...
In-Reply-To: <E506B3FF6BC1254C9AC1B948C380BC28077A54@sm-nyny-xm05.nena.wdpr.disney.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEOHHEAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Berson, Brad]
> ...
> The documented problem of not being able to squash the incoming
> email notification when an email is routed to the junk e-mail
> folder is something that interests me because of the frequency of
> the junk coming in, sometimes close to 100 a day.
>
> There's a product called Qurb which according to what I've read,
> may have gotten around this obstacle somehow.  I have not evaluated
> it because whitelist solutions do not interest me.  Just thought
> you folks might want to check that out.

Ya, I think the real problem here is that the SpamBayes developers get so
much email that none will ever really care about that systray icon.  I know
I don't -- it's on all day and all night for me, and would be even if spam
didn't trigger it.  So there's just no motivation for the current developers
to spend their free time trying to endure whatever convolutions are
necessary (and it must be convoluted, since Outlook doesn't expose that
systray gimmick directly).

That's one way in which a commercial product *can* be better:  if enough
customers offer to pay for a feature, management can pay a developer to
implement it on work time.

In the Open Source world, the theory is that a *user* who wants something
enough will volunteer to do the work themself, and contribute the code back
to the project for everyone to use. Since that's the only theory we have
<wink>, that's the only way it will get done.  So far nobody has
volunteered.

One note of caution:  reverse-engineering commercial products is almost
always a violation of the license agreement, so if someone does want to do
this, do *not* purchase Qurb and crack how they do it.  Any sign of stuff
like that in contributed code, and it will be rejected -- that can create
legal problems for the whole project.  Since SpamBayes doesn't generate any
revenue, it doesn't have any funds to pay lawyers either.


From brad.berson at bytebrothers.org  Sat Nov 22 00:22:55 2003
From: brad.berson at bytebrothers.org (Brad Berson)
Date: Sat Nov 22 00:22:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plug-In with Citrix...?
Message-ID: <D9837233BAB6EB48B05C0272A351EE5B0E2B46@tweedledee.network.rectaltronics.com>

Is the latest SpamBayes Outlook plug-in written politely enough to work on a Win2K Terminal Server?

Any terrible things I should be aware of in this sort of environment??


Thanks,
Brad


From clare at optushome.com.au  Sat Nov 22 01:20:24 2003
From: clare at optushome.com.au (Clare Wagemans)
Date: Sat Nov 22 01:19:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Marking spam as unread
Message-ID: <LOBBKGMAGJCIGPLDMAKHIENLCMAA.clare@optushome.com.au>

Dear Developer

I have checked the option to mark possible and definite spam as unread in
the hope that I would not get the icon on my system tray indicating that I
had new mail.  They are marked as unread but I still get the icon.  Any
chance of a refinement to overcome this problem?
Clare Wagemans


From clare at optushome.com.au  Sat Nov 22 01:22:17 2003
From: clare at optushome.com.au (Clare Wagemans)
Date: Sat Nov 22 01:21:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Apologies about read/unread mail
Message-ID: <LOBBKGMAGJCIGPLDMAKHAENMCMAA.clare@optushome.com.au>

I read a little further and see the problems you are encountering.

Clare Wagemans



From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Nov 22 01:23:15 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sat Nov 22 01:23:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Marking spam as unread
In-Reply-To: <LOBBKGMAGJCIGPLDMAKHIENLCMAA.clare@optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCMEOOHEAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Clare Wagemans]
> I have checked the option to mark possible and definite spam as
> unread in the hope that I would not get the icon on my system tray
> indicating that I had new mail.  They are marked as unread but I
> still get the icon.  Any chance of a refinement to overcome this
> problem? Clare Wagemans

I just replied to the same kind of thing a couple hours ago, so forgive if
me I just give a reference to it:

    http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2003-November/009460.html


From rrowlan at cablelynx.com  Sat Nov 22 03:59:33 2003
From: rrowlan at cablelynx.com (Randy H Rowlan)
Date: Sat Nov 22 03:59:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] email eaten
Message-ID: <000001c3b0d6$f31fbfe0$6400a8c0@pineygrove.local>

Why are some emails reported as being in the inbox (downloading 10 for
example and inbox goes from 5 to 15) but not being visible to read.
They are not placed in the possible junk or spam folders.  They just
disappear before I can see what they are or read them.  
 
I read the troubleshooting file but saw nothing like this.  
 
Thanks for the help.
 
Randy
From mlportersr at webtv.net  Sat Nov 22 11:44:59 2003
From: mlportersr at webtv.net (Michael Porter)
Date: Sat Nov 22 11:45:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error on install -  release 0.81 on Outlook 2002
Message-ID: <000d01c3b117$f87a88d0$61e61cd8@Michael>

Your message is about a month old and there haven't been any replies. Have
you resolved the trouble?

 

Mike.

 

"...after all He's not a tame lion..."

 

From smstone at dsmea.com  Sat Nov 22 12:50:48 2003
From: smstone at dsmea.com (steve Stone)
Date: Sat Nov 22 12:51:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Windows XP
Message-ID: <000001c3b121$435d9730$6501a8c0@BJSDell2002Home>

About three weeks ago I downloaded and installed the latest version of
Spambayes Outlook Addin to my Windows 98 PC.  It has been working
beautifully so far so I decided to try it on my Windows XP PC.  It
seemed to download and install properly until I got a message that
reads:

DLL/OCX: DLL Register Server Failed;  Code 0x00000000.

 

I re-downloaded and installed it several times with the same result.  If
I ignore it and proceed anyway, the system does not go into the
installation process when I start Outlook.

 

Any suggestions?

 

 

From jlowery at maxdoubt.com  Sat Nov 22 14:32:37 2003
From: jlowery at maxdoubt.com (J Lowery)
Date: Sat Nov 22 14:31:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes Oublook plugin - how to view db
Message-ID: <000001c3b12f$64162ce0$6501a8c0@herbie>

Can I view the database(s) used by the spambayes outlook plugin?  I am
not familiar with Python, but could figure it out if needed

 

Thanks!

Jami

 

 

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-----------------------------------------------------

 


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 11/14/2003
 
From Jordan_and_Rory at msn.com  Sat Nov 22 16:35:55 2003
From: Jordan_and_Rory at msn.com (Jordan and Rory)
Date: Sat Nov 22 16:37:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook Plug-In Not Performing Well
Message-ID: <000001c3b140$a13a4640$6402a8c0@Inspiron4150>

Hello, all.  My apologies if this has been answered before, or is a routine
question - I read through the FAQ and did several web searches without
finding an answer.

 

I have been running the SpamBayes Outlook (2002 SP-2) plug-in for many
weeks.  I have a training base of nearly 9000 spams and 800 or so hams.
Despite this degree of training, the filter is only achieving about 60%
success.  Many obvious spams receive a score of 0-2%.  The performance of
the filter doesn't seem to be improving as the database grows, either.  I
have retrained it from scratch several times, each time to no avail.

 

I recognize that my ratio of spams to hams is very high; however, a
different Bayesian filter I use at work has a similar ratio in its training
base, and still achieves 98%+ effectiveness.

 

What am I doing wrong?  What can I do to improve the percentage of spams
that SpamBayes catches?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

                                                            -Jordan

From rdukes at clinimetrics.com  Sat Nov 22 17:50:04 2003
From: rdukes at clinimetrics.com (Richard Dukes)
Date: Sat Nov 22 17:55:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes: Filter deleted Inbox?
Message-ID: <000401c3b14a$fbb38b90$082ee118@clinimetrics.com>

I no longer have any of the 1500+ messages in my Inbox after running the
SpamBayes filter for the first time (before training the system, by
mistake). I have looked to see if the messages were sent to another
Inbox, but it's not there. I haven't performed any other actions.

Can you tell me where my emails are? 

Thanks,

River Dukes

PS I only ran the filter and haven't clicked the "Delete as Spam"
button.

River Dukes
Clinical Research Associate
Clinimetrics Research Associates, Inc.
12616 Dervish Lane
Charlotte, NC  28269
Office phone: 704.953.1395
Office fax: 408.549.9904
Voicemail: 408.452.5701 ext. 227
Email: rdukes@clinimetrics.com



From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Nov 22 17:57:44 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sat Nov 22 17:57:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook Plug-In Not Performing Well
In-Reply-To: <000001c3b140$a13a4640$6402a8c0@Inspiron4150>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEBIHFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> ...
> I have been running the SpamBayes Outlook (2002 SP-2) plug-in for many
> weeks.  I have a training base of nearly 9000 spams and 800 or so
> hams.

Balance the # of ham and spam trained on and it should work much better.

> Despite this degree of training, the filter is only achieving
> about 60% success.  Many obvious spams receive a score of 0-2%.  The
> performance of the filter doesn't seem to be improving as the
> database grows, either.  I have retrained it from scratch several
> times, each time to no avail.
>
> I recognize that my ratio of spams to hams is very high;

So *try* balancing it.  Tell us what happens when you do.

> however, a different Bayesian filter I use at work has a similar
> ratio in its training base, and still achieves 98%+ effectiveness.

SpamBayes almost certainly uses very different algorithms than that one,
whatever it is.  Different strengths, different weaknesses, different
behaviors.

> What am I doing wrong?  What can I do to improve the percentage of
> spams that SpamBayes catches?

Train on less spam or more ham.  Also make sure you haven't misclassified
any messages you've trained on.  If the problem still persists, we'll need
to look at the info generated by "Show spam clues for current message".  But
with a training ratio unbalanced by more than 11 to 1, there's no point to
that exercise now -- unbalanced training data is a well-known cause for
flaky results in this program.


From tim.one at comcast.net  Sat Nov 22 18:05:38 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sat Nov 22 18:05:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes: Filter deleted Inbox?
In-Reply-To: <000401c3b14a$fbb38b90$082ee118@clinimetrics.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEBJHFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Richard Dukes]
> I no longer have any of the 1500+ messages in my Inbox after running
> the SpamBayes filter for the first time (before training the system,
> by mistake). I have looked to see if the messages were sent to another
> Inbox, but it's not there. I haven't performed any other actions.
>
> Can you tell me where my emails are?
>
> Thanks,
>
> River Dukes
>
> PS I only ran the filter and haven't clicked the "Delete as Spam"
> button.

I don't know what "ran the filter" means to you.  Remember that we didn't
watch while you were doing this, so the only info we have is what you tell
us.  Exactly what did you do?  For example, exactly which buttons did you
click on, and in what order?

If SpamBayes had never been trained, then every email it sees would score
exactly 50% (SpamBayes was never taught anything if it was never trained, so
has no reason to believe that anything is ham or spam then).  Depending on
what you haven't told us, it's possible that SpamBayes would then move every
email into your "Unsure" or "Possible spam" folder (whatever you may have
called that -- I can't guess).  It certainly would not move it to "another
Inbox" (unless you had told it to move uncertain messages to some other
inbox).

Note:  If you remember what at least one of those emails contained, you
could use Outlook's "Advanced Find" system, from the root folder your of
.pst file, to search for it.

Note too that SpamBayes has no option you can set that would cause it to
delete email (SpamBayes never deletes mail, at worst it moves it to another
folder).


From Jakov.Zaidman at T4G.com  Sat Nov 22 18:07:55 2003
From: Jakov.Zaidman at T4G.com (Zaidman, Jakov)
Date: Sat Nov 22 18:08:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Certain messages always flagged as Spam
Message-ID: <C3A87C34BD50EA4EA7966B54C74E7099091550@capricorn.t4g.com>

I receive firewall event logs as email messages. Every time I receive
one, it is flagged as Spam Suspect with spam rating of 75%. Every time I
try to recover these messages from spam by clicking on the 'recover'
button. Still, next time the message ends up in the suspects folder
again.

I attached a sample message, along with its SpamBayes clues.

Thanks,

Jakov Zaidman
jzaidman@interlan.ca

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From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sat Nov 22 18:39:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Certain messages always flagged as Spam
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304314C20@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B178@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I receive firewall event logs as email messages. Every time I 
> receive one, it is flagged as Spam Suspect with spam rating 
> of 75%. Every time I try to recover these messages from spam 
> by clicking on the 'recover' button. Still, next time the 
> message ends up in the suspects folder again.
> 
> I attached a sample message, along with its SpamBayes clues.
[From attachment]
> 'header:Received:4'                 0.827173          278     10

It looks like you've got a huge ham/spam imbalance.  SpamBayes works best
when you have roughly equal numbers of ham and spam.  Try adjusting your
levels so that this is the case, and try again.

Note that if you look at the status message in the main SpamBayes manager
dialog, you should see a warning about this.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Sat Nov 22 18:39:58 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sat Nov 22 18:40:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes Oublook plugin - how to view db
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304314C1B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B179@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Can I view the database(s) used by the spambayes outlook 
> plugin?  I am not familiar with Python, but could figure it 
> out if needed

If you get hold of the source (available from the same download page as the
plug-in), and have Python installed, then you can use the "db_expimp.py"
script that it includes.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Sat Nov 22 18:41:34 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sat Nov 22 18:41:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] email eaten
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13042070B8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B17A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Why are some emails reported as being in the inbox 
> (downloading 10 for example and inbox goes from 5 to 15) but 
> not being visible to read. They are not placed in the 
> possible junk or spam folders.  They just disappear before I 
> can see what they are or read them.  

SpamBayes doesn't delete any messages, it only moves them.  If SpamBayes is
making the change here, I suspect that they are being moved into another
folder - perhaps the folders you think you've set as possible junk or spam,
aren't the ones that are actually set?

Note that you can use Outlook's Advanced Find tool to find one of these,
and, no doubt, all the rest will be with it.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Sat Nov 22 18:42:29 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sat Nov 22 18:42:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problem
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304206F1A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B17B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> just had it installed a few days--when one of my co-workers 
> send me a message, it arrives in the inbox for less than a 
> second and dissappears--it doesn't show up in the spam file, 
> deleted file, or anywhere I can find.  Also, at times, I get 
> a indicator that I have recieved mail, but there is none in 
> the in box, or in the spam file.

Are you looking in the folder that you've designated to hold mail SpamBayes
is unsure about?  Are you definitely looking in the right spam folder?  Have
you tried searching for the messages with Outlook's Advanced Find?

=Tony Meyer


From Jordan_and_Rory at msn.com  Sat Nov 22 21:14:14 2003
From: Jordan_and_Rory at msn.com (Jordan and Rory)
Date: Sat Nov 22 21:14:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook Plug-In Not Performing Well
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCEEBIHFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000701c3b167$82a4eba0$6402a8c0@Inspiron4150>

Tim,

Thanks so much for the prompt response.  Your advice worked!

I retrained with the 900 or so hams I had, and about 850 spams.  I now get
MUCH better distinction between spam and ham in the re-scored notes.  Most
of the spams now show scores in the 90-100% range; the hams all fall in the
0-5% range.

I guess with a steady 10-1 spam/ham ratio of incoming mail, I'll have to
periodically toss a bunch of spam and retrain.

I greatly appreciate the help... and am now a much happier camper! :)

					-Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.one@comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:58 PM
To: Jordan and Rory
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook Plug-In Not Performing Well

[spambayes-bounces@python.org]
> ...
> I have been running the SpamBayes Outlook (2002 SP-2) plug-in for many
> weeks.  I have a training base of nearly 9000 spams and 800 or so
> hams.

Balance the # of ham and spam trained on and it should work much better.

> Despite this degree of training, the filter is only achieving
> about 60% success.  Many obvious spams receive a score of 0-2%.  The
> performance of the filter doesn't seem to be improving as the
> database grows, either.  I have retrained it from scratch several
> times, each time to no avail.
>
> I recognize that my ratio of spams to hams is very high;

So *try* balancing it.  Tell us what happens when you do.

> however, a different Bayesian filter I use at work has a similar
> ratio in its training base, and still achieves 98%+ effectiveness.

SpamBayes almost certainly uses very different algorithms than that one,
whatever it is.  Different strengths, different weaknesses, different
behaviors.

> What am I doing wrong?  What can I do to improve the percentage of
> spams that SpamBayes catches?

Train on less spam or more ham.  Also make sure you haven't misclassified
any messages you've trained on.  If the problem still persists, we'll need
to look at the info generated by "Show spam clues for current message".  But
with a training ratio unbalanced by more than 11 to 1, there's no point to
that exercise now -- unbalanced training data is a well-known cause for
flaky results in this program.





From dalke at dalkescientific.com  Sat Nov 22 21:16:43 2003
From: dalke at dalkescientific.com (Andrew Dalke)
Date: Sat Nov 22 21:16:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: pop3 culler
In-Reply-To: <F26A8260-1817-11D8-AECD-000393C92466@dalkescientific.com>
Message-ID: <148EF4BE-1D5B-11D8-B497-000393C92466@dalkescientific.com>

Last week I asked about a 'spam culler' which would sit on my NT box 
(which
is up 24hrs/day) and check and remove spam and viruses in my POP3 
accounts.
This helps reduce the amount of mail I get on my laptop, which is 
especially
helpful when traveling and have only occasional, slow network access.

I have written it and works fine for my needs.  It just sits in a loop,
connects to my accounts, runs some tests (from and subject whitelists,
spam and virus checks) and performs the appropriate actions.  It then
waits a bit before doing it again.  It's been doing a great job the last
couple of days, and has culled about 6 spams an hour and a "virus" every
two hours.  (My definition of a virus is any executable attachments.)

As per Richie Hindle's request, I've put it on the SB wiki, at
   http://entrian.com/sbwiki/SpamBayesCuller

Note that it's designed for programmers; to configure it you will have
to tweak code.

					Andrew
					dalke@dalkescientific.com


From richie at entrian.com  Sun Nov 23 02:00:41 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Sun Nov 23 02:01:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: pop3 culler
In-Reply-To: <148EF4BE-1D5B-11D8-B497-000393C92466@dalkescientific.com>
References: <F26A8260-1817-11D8-AECD-000393C92466@dalkescientific.com>
	<148EF4BE-1D5B-11D8-B497-000393C92466@dalkescientific.com>
Message-ID: <6gm0svgvq9rinqjdrg2jvp03rqsepijfov@4ax.com>


[Andrew]
> As per Richie Hindle's request, I've put it on the SB wiki, at
>    http://entrian.com/sbwiki/SpamBayesCuller

Many thanks!  A very useful (and nicely written) script.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From Jakov.Zaidman at T4G.com  Sun Nov 23 13:09:00 2003
From: Jakov.Zaidman at T4G.com (Zaidman, Jakov)
Date: Sun Nov 23 13:09:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Certain messages always flagged as Spam
Message-ID: <C3A87C34BD50EA4EA7966B54C74E7099091554@capricorn.t4g.com>

Tony,

The status message says that the database has over 9000 good messages
and 64 bad messages. The huge number of good messages is based on the
training with all of the old mail stored in my mailbox. I was under the
impression that it would be a good thing to give it as much as possible
good mail to train on, in order to reduce the possibility for false
positives.

What adjustments would you suggest I should make?

Thanks,

Jakov

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] 
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:39 PM
To: Zaidman, Jakov; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Certain messages always flagged as Spam

> I receive firewall event logs as email messages. Every time I 
> receive one, it is flagged as Spam Suspect with spam rating 
> of 75%. Every time I try to recover these messages from spam 
> by clicking on the 'recover' button. Still, next time the 
> message ends up in the suspects folder again.
> 
> I attached a sample message, along with its SpamBayes clues.
[From attachment]
> 'header:Received:4'                 0.827173          278     10

It looks like you've got a huge ham/spam imbalance.  SpamBayes works
best
when you have roughly equal numbers of ham and spam.  Try adjusting your
levels so that this is the case, and try again.

Note that if you look at the status message in the main SpamBayes
manager
dialog, you should see a warning about this.

=Tony Meyer



From tim.one at comcast.net  Sun Nov 23 14:55:45 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Sun Nov 23 14:56:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Certain messages always flagged as Spam
In-Reply-To: <C3A87C34BD50EA4EA7966B54C74E7099091554@capricorn.t4g.com>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEELHFAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Zaidman, Jakov]
> The status message says that the database has over 9000 good messages
> and 64 bad messages.

Ouch.

> The huge number of good messages is based on the training with all
> of the old mail stored in my mailbox. I was under the impression that
> it would be a good thing to give it as much as possible good mail
> to train on, in order to reduce the possibility for false positives.

That's a decent strategy provided that you also train on an approximately
equal number of spam.

> What adjustments would you suggest I should make?

Tony gave you the best advice the first time:  balance your training data,
even if that means you train on only 64 ham too.  Better would be to train
on more spam.  You should find that once you've trained on (just) a couple
hundred of each, the classification performance will be very good.  From
early tests, training on many thousands of each only makes a difference if
you're worried about the fourth decimal digit.  An advantage to training on
relatively few messages of each kind is that your classifier will respond
much more quickly to training on mistakes.  You don't have to train on
everything to get excellent results.


From rross at vigilantesecurity.com  Sun Nov 23 16:04:59 2003
From: rross at vigilantesecurity.com (Ron Ross)
Date: Sun Nov 23 16:05:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Configuration Wizard Not working
Message-ID: <E1AO1Ph-0005x8-0h@mail.python.org>

Hello,

 

The Configuration Wizard does not open when I select it. MS Outlook 2003,

 

Thanks 

 

RSR


-- 
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 7.0.197 / Virus Database: 261.3.0 - Release Date: 11/21/2003
 
From jmcatee at mediaodyssey.com  Sun Nov 23 18:14:17 2003
From: jmcatee at mediaodyssey.com (Jim McAtee)
Date: Sun Nov 23 18:14:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29DA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <019401c3b217$857057b0$1c03a8c0@jim>

From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer@ihug.co.nz>

> Do you still need to train?  I would have thought that you'd get
> pretty acceptable results quite quickly with that volume of mail.

Spambayes isn't doing too badly.  Still, probably 5% or so of spam ends up
getting past, much of it marked as ham.  Being relatively new to Spambayes,
my initial training probably wasn't optimal.  From messages I've been reading
on this list it appears the best thing to do would be to retrain from
hand-picked sets of spam and ham.

Which leads to this question:

If I retrain from scratch, as you mention, probably the easiest way is to
pick out and set aside some spam in an OE folder and do the same with a set
of copies of ham in another folder.  Then point Spambayes, using the web
interface, at these folders to train.

Will the embedded Spambayes headers in this already-marked email cause
Spambayes any problems or have a detrimental effect on the training?  Or
would I be better served by turning off Spambayes for a couple of days while
I collect training spam _without_ the Spambayes headers?



From mdhpub at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Nov 23 21:07:39 2003
From: mdhpub at blueyonder.co.uk (Mathew Hendry)
Date: Sun Nov 23 21:07:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to tell SpamBayes to check more headers (using
	MSOplugin)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <ECOWS07Mdyt3cew8k690000003d@smtp-out7.blueyonder.co.uk>

Tony Meyer wrote:

> However, if these headers appear for both ham and spam, and it's just the
> contents of the headers that varies, then this isn't going to do you much
> good.  In that case, you'd have to add code to tokenizer.py (in the
> tokenize_headers function) to add specific tokens for SpamAssassin and
> SpamCop. (If you do, please submit a patch).

I'm still playing with it, but here's what I have so far. It seems to work
quite nicely - after a full retrain, I'm seeing a lot of spammassassin: and
spamcop: lines near the spammy end of evidence listings.

*** WARNING *** PYTHON NEWBIE *** WARNING ***

spamassassin_re = re.compile(r'tests=([A-Z0-9,_]+)')
...
        # X-Spam-Status:
        # Added by SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org)
        line = msg.get('x-spam-status')
        if line is not None:
            line = ''.join(line.split())
            for rules in spamassassin_re.findall(line):
                for rule in rules.split(','):
                    yield 'spamassassin:' + rule

        # X-SpamCop-Disposition:
        # Added by SpamCop Mail service (http://www.spamcop.net)
        line = msg.get('x-spamcop-disposition')
        if line is not None:
            for token in line.lower().split():
                yield 'spamcop:' + token

-- Mat.


From atom at suspicious.org  Sun Nov 23 21:35:08 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Sun Nov 23 21:35:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211558410.24062@research.suspicious.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202357170.34014@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE15B2.4060501@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211059360.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE63FC.9030003@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211116000.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211121540.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211540370.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211558410.24062@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311231801200.24062@research.suspicious.org>

does anyone know what's going on?
does anyone know which app is causing the problem?
does anyone have spambayes-1.0a7 working on a *nix box with python-2.3?


ok... i just tore out all of the bsddb, python and spambayes packages, and
started over.

i now have:
   db3-3.3.11,1        The Berkeley DB package, revision 3.3
   db4-4.0.14_1,1      The Berkeley DB package, revision 4
   db41-4.1.25_1       The Berkeley DB package, revision 4.1
   py23-bsddb-2.3.2_1  Python bindings to the Berkeley DB library
   python-2.3.2_3      An interpreted object-oriented programming language
   spambayes-1.0a7

also, i tried building py23-bsddb with both "WITH_DB3" and "WITH_DB4" (one
at a time, and together) and it doesn't make any difference.

this is the type of error i'm getting:
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
$ sb_filter.py -n -d .hammiedb
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 186, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 174, in main
    h.newdb()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 114, in newdb
    h.store()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 247, in store
    self.bayes.store()
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'store'
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%


like i said earlier, i don't do any python scripting, so this is not so
intuitive to me. it still works fine with python 2.2... as soon is i
upgrade to python 2.3 i have problems.



	...atom

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From atom at suspicious.org  Sun Nov 23 23:53:58 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Sun Nov 23 23:54:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311231801200.24062@research.suspicious.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B174@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311202357170.34014@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE15B2.4060501@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211059360.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<3FBE63FC.9030003@videotron.ca>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211116000.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211121540.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211540370.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311211558410.24062@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311231801200.24062@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311232052260.81252@research.suspicious.org>

ok, with the same versions of the same packages installed, it works fine
on freeBSD 4.8 but fails horribly on freeBSD 4.7.

if anyone has any ideas....


        ...atom

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Sun Nov 23 23:57:53 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sun Nov 23 23:57:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook express
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304314DAF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B17D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> If I retrain from scratch, as you mention, probably the 
> easiest way is to pick out and set aside some spam in an OE 
> folder and do the same with a set of copies of ham in another 
> folder.  Then point Spambayes, using the web interface, at 
> these folders to train.

Yes, that's probably easiest.

> Will the embedded Spambayes headers in this already-marked 
> email cause Spambayes any problems or have a detrimental 
> effect on the training?

No, they'll have no effect at all (unless you've made some odd changes to
the default setup).  By default, SpamBayes only generates tokens from a
limited set of headers, which don't include any SpamBayes ones.

=Tony Meyer


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Mon Nov 24 01:18:57 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Mon Nov 24 01:19:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311232052260.81252@research.suspicious.org> 
Message-ID: <200311240618.hAO6IvYu017410@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Atom 'Smasher'" wrote
> ok, with the same versions of the same packages installed, it works fine
> on freeBSD 4.8 but fails horribly on freeBSD 4.7.
> 
> if anyone has any ideas....

Tracebacks are essential if we're able to debug it at all. Also include 
the version numbers of the relevant packages.


From atom at suspicious.org  Mon Nov 24 01:41:38 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Mon Nov 24 01:42:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade 
In-Reply-To: <200311240618.hAO6IvYu017410@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200311240618.hAO6IvYu017410@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311232222100.81252@research.suspicious.org>

here's 2 tracebacks....

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
$ sb_filter.py -n
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 186, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 174, in main
    h.newdb()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 114, in newdb
    h.store()
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 247, in store
    self.bayes.store()
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'store'
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

and....

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
$ sb_filter.py -d .hammiedb  < text-file
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 186, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 182, in main
    action(msg)
  File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 119, in filter
    return h.filter(msg)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 109, in filter
    prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 38, in _scoremsg
    return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence)
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'spamprob'
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%


on the 4.7 system, the relevant packages are:
  db4-4.0.14_1,1      The Berkeley DB package, revision 4
  db41-4.1.25_1       The Berkeley DB package, revision 4.1
  py23-bsddb3-4.1.6   Python extension module for BerkeleyDB 3 and 4
  python-2.3.2_3      An interpreted object-oriented programming language
  spambayes-1.0a7

i've also tried py23-bsddb4 and db3, but right now i'm testing it this
way:
	* with python2.2 (symlinked to python) everything works.
	* as soon as i install python2.3 (as python) SB bails out

the *ONLY* difference i can find here between working and not working is
the version of python: 2.2 works, 2.3 doesn't.

of course, on my freeBSD 4.8 box, it works either way. this problem is
only on my freeBSD 4.7 boxes (which makes this even weirder).

thanks....


On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Anthony Baxter wrote:

>
> >>> "Atom 'Smasher'" wrote
> > ok, with the same versions of the same packages installed, it works fine
> > on freeBSD 4.8 but fails horribly on freeBSD 4.7.
> >
> > if anyone has any ideas....
>
> Tracebacks are essential if we're able to debug it at all. Also include
> the version numbers of the relevant packages.
>
>

        ...atom

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From colin.mac at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Nov 24 06:03:41 2003
From: colin.mac at blueyonder.co.uk (Colin)
Date: Mon Nov 24 06:05:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install problem
Message-ID: <000901c3b27a$a022df20$0100a8c0@mshome.net>


Can someone help please.

I was recommended to try Spambayes, and have been testing it for approx
3 weeks. It seems to have been great so far.

However at the weekend, I had to  re-install Office XO (SP2), and now I
can use Spambayes. I've uninstalled it, checked I have the latest
version, re-installed etc, and read the FAQ's but no luck.

I can bring up the Spambayes Toolbar, but when I click on the Spambayes
button, I get no response.

Any suggestions please?

Thanks.

****************************************
Colin McDonald
colin.mac@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:colinmac@blueyonder.co.uk> 
****************************************

From dave at pythonapocrypha.com  Mon Nov 24 09:12:44 2003
From: dave at pythonapocrypha.com (Dave Brueck)
Date: Mon Nov 24 09:12:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header annotations included in classification?
Message-ID: <06e401c3b295$081e71b0$6400000a@YODA>

Hello,

I'm using Spambayes-1.0a7 on a Windows machine with Outlook Express
(unfortunately) and am receiving mail through the POP3 proxy. Since it's
Outlook Express, under Header Options in the configuration web page I've turned
on the classification in the "subject:" header for spam (so all spam's now have
a subject line that starts with "spam,"). This seems to work great, but when I
look at clues for a given message, it looks like the header notation is being
included in the classification process:

...
her 0.95871559633
content-type:text/html 0.964536333901
free! 0.96511627907
click 0.966500345667
subject:, 0.979766182776
online 0.98951048951
subject:spam 0.997760079642


(both the "spam" and the "," tokens)

When I do a Word Query on these tokens I get the following results:

Statistics for 'subject:,'
   Number of spam messages: 79.
Number of ham messages: 1.
Probability that a message containing this word is spam: 0.979766182776.

Statistics for 'subject:spam'
   Number of spam messages: 100.
Number of ham messages: 0.
Probability that a message containing this word is spam: 0.997760079642.

Currently I have trained against 141 spam and 100 ham, and none of the original
messages had subject headers containing the word "spam". I've been training
Spambayes using the web interface (Home -> Review).

Is there a conflicting configuration settings or something I need to adjust?
FWIW the classification process seems to be working really well anyway, but I'm
not sure how long that will continue if Spambayes' own notations are
interpreted as a slam-dunk of a spam indicator. :)

Thanks for any help,
Dave


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 24 09:33:07 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Mon Nov 24 09:33:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Incoming email alerts...
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEOHHEAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE55VIWOZmurK0000268e@hotmail.com>

Tim Peters wrote:
> [Berson, Brad]
>> ...
>> The documented problem of not being able to squash the incoming
>> email notification when an email is routed to the junk e-mail
>> folder is something that interests me because of the frequency of
>> the junk coming in, sometimes close to 100 a day.
>> 
>> There's a product called Qurb which according to what I've read,
>> may have gotten around this obstacle somehow.  I have not evaluated
>> it because whitelist solutions do not interest me.  Just thought
>> you folks might want to check that out.
> 
> One note of caution:  reverse-engineering commercial products is
> almost always a violation of the license agreement, so if someone
> does want to do this, do *not* purchase Qurb and crack how they do
> it.  Any sign of stuff like that in contributed code, and it will be
> rejected -- that can create legal problems for the whole project. 
> Since SpamBayes doesn't generate any revenue, it doesn't have any
> funds to pay lawyers either. 

With no reverse engineering required, I read Qurb's FAQ on their
website.  They state quite clearly that they are replacing the Outlook
notification with their own, and that the notification only indicates
messages that are left in the Inbox.  If an Outlook rule moves a message
to another folder, there is a good chance that Qurb will not show any
notification of that message.  This probably isn't the behavior we would
want, anyway.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Mon Nov 24 09:44:08 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Mon Nov 24 09:44:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header annotations included in classification?
In-Reply-To: <06e401c3b295$081e71b0$6400000a@YODA>
References: <06e401c3b295$081e71b0$6400000a@YODA>
Message-ID: <3FC21938.8060403@videotron.ca>

Hi Dave,

I did not look closely at the code but usually the "spam clue" are added 
at the end of the classification process.
I you train on "fresh mail" there should be no problem.

If you retrain (an email was not classified correctly, or retrain from 
scratch with old mail ) this can be a problem but
there is options to not look at headers  but I think the subject is 
always classified. (someone can correct me on this ?)

You can fill a bug or feature request on sourceforge.

Remi

>I'm using Spambayes-1.0a7 on a Windows machine with Outlook Express
>(unfortunately) and am receiving mail through the POP3 proxy. Since it's
>Outlook Express, under Header Options in the configuration web page I've turned
>on the classification in the "subject:" header for spam (so all spam's now have
>a subject line that starts with "spam,"). This seems to work great, but when I
>look at clues for a given message, it looks like the header notation is being
>included in the classification process:
>  
>




From skip at pobox.com  Mon Nov 24 09:58:48 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Nov 24 09:58:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311232222100.81252@research.suspicious.org>
References: <200311240618.hAO6IvYu017410@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311232222100.81252@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <16322.7336.88487.906253@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    atom>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 247, in store
    atom>     self.bayes.store()
    atom> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'store'

and

    atom>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 38, in _scoremsg
    atom>     return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence)
    atom> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'spamprob'

Both suggest that opening a database file failed.  Somewhere you have a
database file, right?  Suppose it's named hammie.db.  Try this:

    % python
    Python 2.4a0 (#5, Nov 23 2003, 20:09:38) 
    [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1493)] on darwin
    Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
    >>> import shelve
    >>> db = shelve.open("hammie.db")
    >>> len(db)
    40569
    >>> db.close()

Does that succeed for Python 2.2 but fail for 2.3?  If so, I'd suspect a
file version change.  If not, continue on to step two.

    % python
    Python 2.4a0 (#5, Nov 23 2003, 20:09:38) 
    [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1493)] on darwin
    Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
    >>> from spambayes.storage import open_storage
    >>> s = open_storage("hammie.db")
    >>> s
    <spambayes.storage.DBDictClassifier instance at 0x764968>
    >>> dir(s)
    ['WordInfoClass', '__doc__', '__getstate__', '__init__', '__module__', '__setstate__', '_add_msg', '_getclues', '_post_training', '_remove_msg', '_wordinfodel', '_wordinfoget', '_wordinfokeys', '_wordinfoset', '_write_state_key', 'changed_words', 'chi2_spamprob', 'close', 'db', 'db_name', 'dbm', 'learn', 'load', 'mode', 'nham', 'nspam', 'probability', 'probcache', 'spamprob', 'statekey', 'store', 'unlearn', 'wordinfo']
    >>> s._wordinfoget("python")
    WordInfo(2, 14)

Does this succeed for one version of Python but not the other?

I suspect you have some sort of version-related problems, but they are
related to the FreeBSD environment, not directly to Python's versioning.

Skip

From dave at pythonapocrypha.com  Mon Nov 24 10:01:28 2003
From: dave at pythonapocrypha.com (Dave Brueck)
Date: Mon Nov 24 10:01:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header annotations included in classification?
References: <06e401c3b295$081e71b0$6400000a@YODA>
	<3FC21938.8060403@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <073101c3b29b$d6e9d6f0$6400000a@YODA>

papaDoc wrote:
> I did not look closely at the code but usually the "spam clue" are added
> at the end of the classification process.
> I you train on "fresh mail" there should be no problem.
>
> If you retrain (an email was not classified correctly, or retrain from
> scratch with old mail ) this can be a problem but
> there is options to not look at headers  but I think the subject is
> always classified. (someone can correct me on this ?)
>
> You can fill a bug or feature request on sourceforge.

Aha! Thanks for your help - I feel a bit dumb but now understand my problem
better. :) On the Home -> Review web page I was looking through the list of
emails for which it was unsure and marking them as Ham or Spam and then
clicking the Train button. But as Spambayes began to classify emails on its own
they began to also show up in their own section ("Messages classified as Spam")
and by default they have the "Spam" radio button selected so by clicking Train
I was running them through as training material as well.

I wonder if the radio button for messages that were classified as ham/spam
should default to Discard? I hesitate to even file that as a feature request as
I'm pretty new to SB and maybe that wouldn't make sense to more experienced
users.

Anyway, thanks for the help,
Dave


From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Mon Nov 24 10:14:35 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Mon Nov 24 10:14:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header annotations included in classification?
In-Reply-To: <073101c3b29b$d6e9d6f0$6400000a@YODA>
References: <06e401c3b295$081e71b0$6400000a@YODA>
	<3FC21938.8060403@videotron.ca>
	<073101c3b29b$d6e9d6f0$6400000a@YODA>
Message-ID: <3FC2205B.7050504@videotron.ca>

Hi Dave,

>Aha! Thanks for your help - I feel a bit dumb but now understand my problem
>better. :) On the Home -> Review web page I was looking through the list of
>emails for which it was unsure and marking them as Ham or Spam and then
>clicking the Train button. But as Spambayes began to classify emails on its own
>they began to also show up in their own section ("Messages classified as Spam")
>and by default they have the "Spam" radio button selected so by clicking Train
>I was running them through as training material as well.
>
>I wonder if the radio button for messages that were classified as ham/spam
>should default to Discard? 
>
If you get the code from CVS you can choose whatever you want. (and by 
default it is discard ;-)    It is in the  avanced  options under  
"Interface options"

>I hesitate to even file that as a feature request as
>I'm pretty new to SB and maybe that wouldn't make sense to more experienced
>users.
>
No I think you should because we should not train on stuff spambayes 
add. It should be removed before.
You are the first one to notice that since there is not many people 
using Outlook Express but It is a good catch.

Remi


From cej at intech.com  Mon Nov 24 10:23:55 2003
From: cej at intech.com (Christopher Jastram)
Date: Mon Nov 24 10:27:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux / No	modulenamed
	zlib ?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B15B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B15B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <3FC2228B.601@intech.com>

Tony Meyer wrote:

>>Ended up implementing server-side filtering for everyone else, and to 
>>handle those accounts that receive SO much mail they crash 
>>the Outlook plugin...  (5 to 6 hundred).
>>    
>>
>
>The volume of mail shouldn't cause the plug-in any problems (although it
>will obviously take longer to do it's thing).  On occasions I have Outlook
>download many more than 600 messages in one go, and have never had any
>trouble with spambayes - as have others, I'm sure.
>
>This is not to say that something isn't going wrong with spambayes, just
>that the volume of mail shouldn't be the cause.  By "crash the plug-in",
>what do you mean?  Crash Outlook?  Stop the plug-in working?  Freeze the
>system?
>
>=Tony Meyer
>  
>
(I did not personally experience the problem, so this is second-hand 
from a coworker).  The volume of mail was upwards of 500 pieces (person 
left for a week on a business trip).  It would chug along for a while, 
and then say either "out of memory" or crash Outlook 2K.  Restart, chug 
along some more.  User in question is running Windows 98, Outlook 2000 
from Office 2000 SR-1, 128 MB RAM.  I don't expect a fix, but I figured 
I'd post something so that other people with the same problem don't feel 
alone.

Chris Jastram


From dave at pythonapocrypha.com  Mon Nov 24 10:40:19 2003
From: dave at pythonapocrypha.com (Dave Brueck)
Date: Mon Nov 24 10:40:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header annotations included in classification?
References: <06e401c3b295$081e71b0$6400000a@YODA>
	<3FC21938.8060403@videotron.ca>
	<073101c3b29b$d6e9d6f0$6400000a@YODA>
	<3FC2205B.7050504@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <077501c3b2a1$44839a20$6400000a@YODA>

papaDoc wrote:
> >Aha! Thanks for your help - I feel a bit dumb but now understand my problem
> >better. :) On the Home -> Review web page I was looking through the list of
> >emails for which it was unsure and marking them as Ham or Spam and then
> >clicking the Train button. But as Spambayes began to classify emails on its
own
> >they began to also show up in their own section ("Messages classified as
Spam")
> >and by default they have the "Spam" radio button selected so by clicking
Train
> >I was running them through as training material as well.
> >
> >I wonder if the radio button for messages that were classified as ham/spam
> >should default to Discard?
> >
> If you get the code from CVS you can choose whatever you want. (and by
> default it is discard ;-)    It is in the  avanced  options under
> "Interface options"
>
> >I hesitate to even file that as a feature request as
> >I'm pretty new to SB and maybe that wouldn't make sense to more experienced
> >users.
> >
> No I think you should because we should not train on stuff spambayes
> add. It should be removed before.

Ok, I filed feature request #848365. Thanks again,
Dave


From atom at suspicious.org  Mon Nov 24 12:53:11 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Mon Nov 24 12:53:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade 
In-Reply-To: <16322.7336.88487.906253@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <200311240618.hAO6IvYu017410@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311232222100.81252@research.suspicious.org>
	<16322.7336.88487.906253@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311240743300.81252@research.suspicious.org>

ok, using the new python (the one giving me a problem) this first test
seems to have passed:

  $ python
  Python 2.3.2 (#1, Nov 24 2003, 00:10:59)
  [GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]] on freebsd4
  Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
  >>> import shelve
  >>> db = shelve.open(".hammiedb")
  >>> len(db)
  1
  >>> db.close()
  >>>


the second test didn't:

  $ python
  Python 2.3.2 (#1, Nov 24 2003, 00:10:59)
  [GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]] on freebsd4
  Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
  >>> from spambayes.storage import open_storage
  >>> s = open_storage(".hammiedb")
  >>> s
  >>> dir(s)
  ['__class__', '__delattr__', '__doc__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__',
  '__init__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__',
  '__setattr__', '__str__']
  >>> s._wordinfoget("python")
  Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
  AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '_wordinfoget'
  >>>


now what??

thanks....


On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Skip Montanaro wrote:

>
>     atom>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 247, in store
>     atom>     self.bayes.store()
>     atom> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'store'
>
> and
>
>     atom>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/hammie.py", line 38, in _scoremsg
>     atom>     return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence)
>     atom> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'spamprob'
>
> Both suggest that opening a database file failed.  Somewhere you have a
> database file, right?  Suppose it's named hammie.db.  Try this:
>
>     % python
>     Python 2.4a0 (#5, Nov 23 2003, 20:09:38)
>     [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1493)] on darwin
>     Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>     >>> import shelve
>     >>> db = shelve.open("hammie.db")
>     >>> len(db)
>     40569
>     >>> db.close()
>
> Does that succeed for Python 2.2 but fail for 2.3?  If so, I'd suspect a
> file version change.  If not, continue on to step two.
>
>     % python
>     Python 2.4a0 (#5, Nov 23 2003, 20:09:38)
>     [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1493)] on darwin
>     Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>     >>> from spambayes.storage import open_storage
>     >>> s = open_storage("hammie.db")
>     >>> s
>     <spambayes.storage.DBDictClassifier instance at 0x764968>
>     >>> dir(s)
>     ['WordInfoClass', '__doc__', '__getstate__', '__init__', '__module__', '__setstate__', '_add_msg', '_getclues', '_post_training', '_remove_msg', '_wordinfodel', '_wordinfoget', '_wordinfokeys', '_wordinfoset', '_write_state_key', 'changed_words', 'chi2_spamprob', 'close', 'db', 'db_name', 'dbm', 'learn', 'load', 'mode', 'nham', 'nspam', 'probability', 'probcache', 'spamprob', 'statekey', 'store', 'unlearn', 'wordinfo']
>     >>> s._wordinfoget("python")
>     WordInfo(2, 14)
>
> Does this succeed for one version of Python but not the other?
>
> I suspect you have some sort of version-related problems, but they are
> related to the FreeBSD environment, not directly to Python's versioning.
>
> Skip
>

        ...atom

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From delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Mon Nov 24 13:14:17 2003
From: delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Mon Nov 24 13:14:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Incoming email alerts...
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE55VIWOZmurK0000268e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEAKFPAA.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> With no reverse engineering required, I read Qurb's FAQ on their
> website.  They state quite clearly that they are replacing the Outlook
> notification with their own, and that the notification only indicates
> messages that are left in the Inbox.  If an Outlook rule moves a message
> to another folder, there is a good chance that Qurb will not show any
> notification of that message.  This probably isn't the behavior we would
> want, anyway.
>
> --
> Kenny Pitt

I'm not sure why you say this isn't the desired behavior.  At least in my
environment, I use the Outlook rules to filter off all the list mail
traffic, which I don't want special notification for, and then let SpamBayes
filter out the spam.  The only thing I want to be notified about is what's
left in the Inbox.  I'm not saying that's how everyone runs Outlook, but I
bet that this arrangement is more typical than not.

As an aside, I recently noticed that there is a built in Outlook rule action
named "clear the Message Flag".  I don't know anything about the Outlook
internals, but is there any chance that you could grab a hook to that
action?

--
Seth Goodman

  Humans:   change "delete" to "sethg" to email me

  Spambots: disregard the above


From delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Mon Nov 24 13:42:48 2003
From: delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Mon Nov 24 13:42:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes installation in SuSE Linux /
	No	modulenamedzlib ?
In-Reply-To: <3FC2228B.601@intech.com>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAOEALFPAA.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> (I did not personally experience the problem, so this is second-hand
> from a coworker).  The volume of mail was upwards of 500 pieces (person
> left for a week on a business trip).  It would chug along for a while,
> and then say either "out of memory" or crash Outlook 2K.  Restart, chug
> along some more.  User in question is running Windows 98, Outlook 2000
> from Office 2000 SR-1, 128 MB RAM.  I don't expect a fix, but I figured
> I'd post something so that other people with the same problem don't feel
> alone.
>
> Chris Jastram

Sounds like this machine has not been updated in a while.  Outlook 2000 is
currently at SP-3 and I think there were a few hot fixes on the Office
Update site since that service pack.  Hopefully, the machine owner has also
run Microsoft Update recently, since Explorer has as many holes in it as a
piece of Swiss cheese, and it *is* an integral part of the operating system.
Recommend using both the MS Update Site and MS Office Update site to bring
everything up to the latest and, maybe not greatest, at least less worse.

--
Seth Goodman

  Humans:   change "delete" to "sethg" to email me

  Spambots: disregard the above


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:43:33 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Mon Nov 24 13:44:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Incoming email alerts...
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAIEAKFPAA.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE70p2gjKoC7D000027ad@hotmail.com>

Seth Goodman wrote:
>> With no reverse engineering required, I read Qurb's FAQ on their
>> website.  They state quite clearly that they are replacing the
>> Outlook notification with their own, and that the notification only
>> indicates messages that are left in the Inbox.  If an Outlook rule
>> moves a message to another folder, there is a good chance that Qurb
>> will not show any notification of that message.  This probably isn't
>> the behavior we would want, anyway. 
> 
> I'm not sure why you say this isn't the desired behavior.  At least
> in my environment, I use the Outlook rules to filter off all the list
> mail traffic, which I don't want special notification for, and then
> let SpamBayes filter out the spam.  The only thing I want to be
> notified about is what's left in the Inbox.  I'm not saying that's
> how everyone runs Outlook, but I bet that this arrangement is more
> typical than not. 

As you said, it's not how everyone runs Outlook.  We've seen a number of
reports from users that start with things like, "I use Outlook rules to
move mail from each of my accounts into a separate Inbox folder."  Most
people seem to just want the icon removed when all they have is spam,
and would probably expect the behavior to be the same as existing
Outlook in all other cases such as mail moved by rules.  A solution that
is flexible enough to support different ways of using Outlook would be
preferable.

InBoxer, a commercially-supported product based on SpamBayes, also
supports its own notification icon for indicating received mail.  Not
sure if it suffers from this same limitation or not because I don't know
how Sean is doing his checking.

> As an aside, I recently noticed that there is a built in Outlook rule
> action named "clear the Message Flag".  I don't know anything about
> the Outlook internals, but is there any chance that you could grab a
> hook to that action?

AIUI, the message flag is used to flag a message for follow-up or other
special attention.  It doesn't have anything to do with the new mail
envelope.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From mikes at members-insurance.com  Mon Nov 24 14:23:28 2003
From: mikes at members-insurance.com (Michael K. Schummers)
Date: Mon Nov 24 14:23:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training
Message-ID: <00b601c3b2c0$72347010$d60000c8@PRK94>

I had a strange quirk that I don't know how to reproduce last week. On
Wednesday, 11/19 toward the end of the day, I was training on some
additional spam to help "balance" the training database. It appeared that it
worked at the time from the statistics on Spambayes Manager "General" tab. I
did this training with the "Rebuild Entire Database" radio button unchecked
but I had left the Rescore radio button checked. I was out of the office
until this morning and found that the General Tab now said I had 1617 Spam
and 0 Ham trained when I came in this morning. Needless to say, everything
was moved to the Spam folder. I would have concluded that I had
inadvertantly left the "Rebuild" button checked except that when I went into
Spambayes Manager to redo the Training to correct things, the radio button
was still unchecked. Any thoughts of what might have caused this kind of
reset in the database statistics? I do recall checking the training
statistics after I was done last Wednesday to see how close to "even" I had
gotten the spam vs. ham training ratio so my guess is that something occured
when/while I exited the Spambayes Manager but I can't think of anyway to
"reconstruct" the problem to see what might have happened. Do any of the log
files record anything that might give me a clue?? It wouldn't have been that
big a problem but my workstation stays on 24x7 and 4 + days of ham had to be
manualled extracted from the Spam folder. I have since retrained with
"Rebuild" checked and things seem pretty much back to normal.
?
Thanks for any thoughts. I am running the Outlook Plugin v 0.81 and had been
running fine for quite a while except (per an earlier post) for the fact
that "normal" operation seems to build up the number of ham scored so that
the ham/spam ration seems to quickly (weeks) become skewed to 3 - 4 x the
number of ham trained vs. spam. I am assuming this imbalance is occuring
because of the number of Unsure that get retrained into Ham but I have kept
detailed enough statistics to tell.
?
Michael K. Schummers
General Manager

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From skip at pobox.com  Mon Nov 24 14:37:13 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Nov 24 14:40:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311240743300.81252@research.suspicious.org>
References: <200311240618.hAO6IvYu017410@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311232222100.81252@research.suspicious.org>
	<16322.7336.88487.906253@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311240743300.81252@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <16322.24041.79925.320723@montanaro.dyndns.org>


  $ python
  Python 2.3.2 (#1, Nov 24 2003, 00:10:59)
  [GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]] on freebsd4
  Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
  >>> from spambayes.storage import open_storage
  >>> s = open_storage(".hammiedb")
  >>> s
  >>> dir(s)
  ['__class__', '__delattr__', '__doc__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__',
  '__init__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__',
  '__setattr__', '__str__']
  >>> s._wordinfoget("python")
  Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
  AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '_wordinfoget'
  >>>

Looking at the open_storage code I don't see how it can return None, but it
clearly is.  What version of SpamBayes are you using again?

Skip

From atom at suspicious.org  Mon Nov 24 15:08:16 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Mon Nov 24 15:08:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] *nix error after upgrade 
In-Reply-To: <16322.24041.79925.320723@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <200311240618.hAO6IvYu017410@localhost.localdomain>       
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311232222100.81252@research.suspicious.org>       
	<16322.7336.88487.906253@montanaro.dyndns.org>       
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311240743300.81252@research.suspicious.org>
	<16322.24041.79925.320723@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311241159560.47740@research.suspicious.org>

spambayes-1.0a7
py23-bsddb-2.3.2_1  Python bindings to the Berkeley DB library
py23-bsddb3-4.1.6   Python extension module for BerkeleyDB 3 and 4
python-2.3.2_3      An interpreted object-oriented programming language

pretty weird, huh?

i think i also tried python-2.3.2_2with about the same failure.



On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Skip Montanaro wrote:

>
>   $ python
>   Python 2.3.2 (#1, Nov 24 2003, 00:10:59)
>   [GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]] on freebsd4
>   Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>   >>> from spambayes.storage import open_storage
>   >>> s = open_storage(".hammiedb")
>   >>> s
>   >>> dir(s)
>   ['__class__', '__delattr__', '__doc__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__',
>   '__init__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__',
>   '__setattr__', '__str__']
>   >>> s._wordinfoget("python")
>   Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
>   AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute '_wordinfoget'
>   >>>
>
> Looking at the open_storage code I don't see how it can return None, but it
> clearly is.  What version of SpamBayes are you using again?
>
> Skip
>

        ...atom

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From rick at gdrgroup.com  Mon Nov 24 15:12:18 2003
From: rick at gdrgroup.com (Rick Ward)
Date: Mon Nov 24 15:12:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Binary Version .81
Message-ID: <527D1FB0F3F3E44EB1869261D523B1C47AC068@gdrmain.gdr.com>

Error: There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin. Please re-start Outlook and try again.


 <<spambayes3.log>>  <<spambayes4.log>>  <<spambayes1.log>>  <<spambayes2.log>> 

This is on a windows 98 machine. This error is happening after an install and then opening up Outlook 2000, This is the first thing that comes up. The icons are created but that is the only thing that is created. I am using exchange 2k if that helps any. I have uninstalled and reinstalled and the same error is happening. Also installed to a different location. Tried the COM-add inn fix also. I have this installed on a 2k machine on another

Thank You.

Rick
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From tpeters at mixcom.com  Mon Nov 24 14:07:44 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Mon Nov 24 16:28:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,
	blew up previous install of a6
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>

I thought I was following the install instructions for spambayes correctly, 
but they are a little too vaguely worded for me I guess. Now I'm blown up 
and dead in the water.

Can I unzip into the final location where it will be executed from 
forevermore?

I download to D:\download2, and then in this case unzipped Spambayes to 
D:\Programs\Spambayes1.0a7 and then proceded to run the setup.py install 
script right there.

I had 1.0a6 pop3proxy working just perfect. Downloaded 1.0a7. Unzipped it 
into D:\programs\Spambayes
Could not get that to work. Many errors- the pop3proxy service wouldn't start:
         The SpamBayes Service service is starting.
         The SpamBayes Service service could not be started.
         A service specific error occurred: 1.
and other problems.

So I started over, this time paying much closer attention to what I was 
doing and installing into a slightly different directory.
The first step I did executed without error:
         D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7>python setup.py install
         running install
         running build
         ...
         copying build\scripts-2.3\sb_chkopts.py -> D:\programs\python\Scripts
         copying build\scripts-2.3\pop3proxy_tray.py -> 
D:\programs\python\Scripts

But the next thing I did blew up:
D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7>python scripts/sb_server.py -b
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "scripts/sb_server.py", line 100, in ?
     import spambayes.message
   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 
198, in ?
     msginfoDB = MessageInfoDB(message_info_db_name)
   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 
162, in __init__
     self.load()
   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 
166, in  load
     self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", 
line 60, in open
     return f(db_name, mode)
   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", 
line 38, in open_best
     return f(*args)
   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", 
line 20,
in open_dbhash
     return bsddb.hashopen(*args)
   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 162, in hashopen
     d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode)
bsddb._db.DBNoSuchFileError: (2, 'No such file or directory')
Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'MessageInfoDB' object has no 
attribute 'db'" in <bound method MessageInfoDB.__del__ of 
<spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 0x00A57590>> ignored

So just for kicks I tried this too:

D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7>python windows\pop3proxy_service.py install
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "windows\pop3proxy_service.py", line 82, in ?
     import sb_server
   File "D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7\scripts\sb_server.py", line 100, in ?
     import spambayes.message
   File "D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7\spambayes\message.py", line 198, in ?
     msginfoDB = MessageInfoDB(message_info_db_name)
   File "D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7\spambayes\message.py", line 162, in 
__init__

     self.load()
   File "D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7\spambayes\message.py", line 166, in load
     self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
   File "D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", line 60, in open
     return f(db_name, mode)
   File "D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", line 38, in 
open_best
     return f(*args)
   File "D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", line 20, in 
open_dbhash
     return bsddb.hashopen(*args)
   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 162, in hashopen
     d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode)
bsddb._db.DBNoSuchFileError: (2, 'No such file or directory')
Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'MessageInfoDB' object has no 
attribute 'db'" in <bound method MessageInfoDB.__del__ of 
<spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 0x009EF430>> ignored

And of course the pop3proxy service still won't start (same error).



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From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Mon Nov 24 16:40:03 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Mon Nov 24 16:41:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,
	blew up previous install of a6
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
Message-ID: <3FC27AB3.1040602@videotron.ca>

Hi,

> But the next thing I did blew up:
> D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7>python scripts/sb_server.py -b
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "scripts/sb_server.py", line 100, in ?
>     import spambayes.message
>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", 
> line 198, in ?
>     msginfoDB = MessageInfoDB(message_info_db_name)
>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", 
> line 162, in __init__
>     self.load()
>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", 
> line 166, in  load
>     self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", 
> line 60, in open
>     return f(db_name, mode)
>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", 
> line 38, in open_best
>     return f(*args)
>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", 
> line 20,
> in open_dbhash
>     return bsddb.hashopen(*args)
>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 162, in hashopen
>     d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode)
> bsddb._db.DBNoSuchFileError: (2, 'No such file or directory')
> Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'MessageInfoDB' object has no 
> attribute 'db'" in <bound method MessageInfoDB.__del__ of 
> <spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 0x00A57590>> ignored 

I think you should install python version 2.3 to run Spambayes 1.0a7.
You might also need bsddb that will run with python 2.3

Remi


From richie at entrian.com  Mon Nov 24 17:29:03 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Nov 24 17:29:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,
	blew up previous install of a6
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
Message-ID: <9405svonp1uc7voo12klctn965scbvbo3u@4ax.com>


[Tom]
> Can I unzip into the final location where it will be executed from 
> forevermore?

No, that's not how it works.  When you unpack the archive, the files that
you unpack are copied by the installer (setup.py) into their final
location.  Once you've installed it, you can then delete the unpacked
files - they're not needed any more.

On your machine, the location for the installed script files is
D:\programs\python\Scripts - that's where you should run them from.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Nov 24 17:39:23 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon Nov 24 17:39:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,
	blew up previous install of a6
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304315123@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B17E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Tom]
> Can I unzip into the final location where it will be executed from
> forevermore?

[Richie]
> No, that's not how it works.  When you unpack the archive, 
> the files that you unpack are copied by the installer 
> (setup.py) into their final location.  Once you've installed 
> it, you can then delete the unpacked files - they're not 
> needed any more.
> 
> On your machine, the location for the installed script files 
> is D:\programs\python\Scripts - that's where you should run them from.

Note that there is one exception to this (which is a known problem with the
current release, and will be fixed for the next one), which applies if you
use the pop3proxy_tray.py script.

The script needs some files that don't get copied across to the Python
scripts directory; so you either have to run the tray script from the
(spambayes) windows directory (but you can delete the rest of the archive),
or copy across the missing files.

=Tony Meyer


From tpeters at mixcom.com  Mon Nov 24 17:53:47 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Mon Nov 24 17:54:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7, blew up previous
	install of a6
In-Reply-To: <9405svonp1uc7voo12klctn965scbvbo3u@4ax.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124165201.00bbe648@pop3.mixcom.com>

_Everything_ I need to run spambayes and the pop3proxy for it gets 
installed into D:\programs\python\Scripts, is that what you are saying? I 
won't need a D:\programs\Spambayes???? directory at all, unless I choose to 
keep my data files there?


At 10:29 PM 11/24/2003 +0000, Richie Hindle wrote:

>[Tom]
> > Can I unzip into the final location where it will be executed from
> > forevermore?
>
>No, that's not how it works.  When you unpack the archive, the files that
>you unpack are copied by the installer (setup.py) into their final
>location.  Once you've installed it, you can then delete the unpacked
>files - they're not needed any more.
>
>On your machine, the location for the installed script files is
>D:\programs\python\Scripts - that's where you should run them from.
>
>--
>Richie Hindle
>richie@entrian.com


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From richie at entrian.com  Mon Nov 24 18:05:08 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Nov 24 18:05:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,
	blew up previous install of a6
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124165201.00bbe648@pop3.mixcom.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<9405svonp1uc7voo12klctn965scbvbo3u@4ax.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124165201.00bbe648@pop3.mixcom.com>
Message-ID: <5g35svk2ltr7a2bmfnnjklgpk8qnqudbnl@4ax.com>


[Tom]
> _Everything_ I need to run spambayes and the pop3proxy for it gets 
> installed into D:\programs\python\Scripts, is that what you are saying?

Everything gets copied into various locations under D:\programs\python,
yes.  Except for things that don't 8-) - see Tony's post about bugs in the
installer for pop3proxy_tray.py.

> I won't need a D:\programs\Spambayes???? directory at all, unless I
> choose to keep my data files there?

Correct.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From tpeters at mixcom.com  Mon Nov 24 18:19:36 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Mon Nov 24 18:19:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,blew up previous
	install of a6
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B17E@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304315123@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124171838.00bc9000@pop3.mixcom.com>

Where does one copy them to, exactly? Would this be a child directory of 
the python scripts directory?

>scripts directory; so you either have to run the tray script from the
>(spambayes) windows directory (but you can delete the rest of the archive),
>or copy across the missing files.

At 11:39 AM 11/25/2003 +1300, Tony Meyer wrote:
>[Tom]
> > Can I unzip into the final location where it will be executed from
> > forevermore?
>
>[Richie]
> > No, that's not how it works.  When you unpack the archive,
> > the files that you unpack are copied by the installer
> > (setup.py) into their final location.  Once you've installed
> > it, you can then delete the unpacked files - they're not
> > needed any more.
> >
> > On your machine, the location for the installed script files
> > is D:\programs\python\Scripts - that's where you should run them from.
>
>Note that there is one exception to this (which is a known problem with the
>current release, and will be fixed for the next one), which applies if you
>use the pop3proxy_tray.py script.
>
>The script needs some files that don't get copied across to the Python
>scripts directory; so you either have to run the tray script from the
>(spambayes) windows directory (but you can delete the rest of the archive),
>or copy across the missing files.
>
>=Tony Meyer


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From tpeters at mixcom.com  Mon Nov 24 17:57:39 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Mon Nov 24 19:17:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,	blew up previous
	install of a6
In-Reply-To: <3FC27AB3.1040602@videotron.ca>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124165608.00bc9d78@pop3.mixcom.com>

Python as installed on my machine signs on as
Python 2.3 (#46, Jul 29 2003, 18:54:32) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] on win32

Is that good enough? I have the Win32 extensions. Like I said, I've been 
running 1.0a6 for weeks.

At 04:40 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, papaDoc wrote:
>Hi,
>
>>But the next thing I did blew up:
>>D:\Programs\spambayes-1.0a7>python scripts/sb_server.py -b
>>Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "scripts/sb_server.py", line 100, in ?
>>     import spambayes.message
>>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 
>> 198, in ?
>>     msginfoDB = MessageInfoDB(message_info_db_name)
>>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 
>> 162, in __init__
>>     self.load()
>>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\message.py", line 
>> 166, in  load
>>     self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
>>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", 
>> line 60, in open
>>     return f(db_name, mode)
>>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", 
>> line 38, in open_best
>>     return f(*args)
>>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\dbmstorage.py", 
>> line 20,
>>in open_dbhash
>>     return bsddb.hashopen(*args)
>>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 162, in hashopen
>>     d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode)
>>bsddb._db.DBNoSuchFileError: (2, 'No such file or directory')
>>Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'MessageInfoDB' object has no 
>>attribute 'db'" in <bound method MessageInfoDB.__del__ of 
>><spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 0x00A57590>> ignored
>
>I think you should install python version 2.3 to run Spambayes 1.0a7.
>You might also need bsddb that will run with python 2.3
>
>Remi


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From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Mon Nov 24 20:48:56 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Mon Nov 24 20:52:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,
	blew up previous  install of a6
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124165608.00bc9d78@pop3.mixcom.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124165608.00bc9d78@pop3.mixcom.com>
Message-ID: <3FC2B508.6080702@videotron.ca>

Hi Tom,

Looking more closely at the error and with the new info. I think you are 
missing the database.
I'm not sure but I think version 1.0a6 and 1.0a7 have different name for 
the database or where
it is save. (I'm not sure since I'm always using the latest CVS version).
Can you clean up/move to a safe location  the old version of spambayes.

i.e.
c:\Documents and Settings\your_user_name\Application Data\Spambayes
Check if there is any file ending in ".ini" where you have version 1.0a7.

Then reinstall version 1.0a7 not in the same directory as where 1.0a6 was.

Remi

> Python as installed on my machine signs on as
> Python 2.3 (#46, Jul 29 2003, 18:54:32) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] on 
> win32
>
>>>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 162, in 
>>> hashopen
>>>     d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode)
>>> bsddb._db.DBNoSuchFileError: (2, 'No such file or directory')
>>> Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'MessageInfoDB' object has no 
>>> attribute 'db'" in <bound method MessageInfoDB.__del__ of 
>>> <spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 0x00A57590>> ignored 
>>




From Michael_Marriott at telus.net  Mon Nov 24 23:11:04 2003
From: Michael_Marriott at telus.net (Michael Marriott)
Date: Mon Nov 24 23:11:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help in Unistalling Spambayes
Message-ID: <000001c3b30a$2884c2e0$3dd506cf@D4ZXD011>

Hello.  I would like to uninstall the product but cannot figure out how.
Can you help?

Thanks!

Michael

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 00:38:49 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 00:38:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [spambayes-dev] Reviewing trained messages
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304314F81@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29E7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Could you consider an entry in the FAQ section
> on how to access the database of messages which
> have been trained - i.e. in the case that you
> misclassify a message and want to sort it out?

This is a little complicated.  Basically you need to find out the id of the
message (it's in the headers), and then use the "Find Message" query on the
main page of the web interface to find it.  You can then train it, and if
the training changes, it'll do the correct untraining as necessary.  Once
the message is gone from the cache, though, you can't do this (by default
they stay there 7 days, but 'discard' also removes them).  There are other
ways, but this is probably the simplest.

In a future version (it's in cvs, I think it's intended for 1.1a1), you can
use the 'find message' query to search by more than id.  So you could search
for messages in the caches that have a certain subject, for example.  You're
then presented with a review page that, instead of listing recently arrived,
untrained, mail, lists all messages (in the caches) that match the query.
You can do the normal train/discard actions from there.

> In my case I have a message that was correctly
> classified, but it seems like it was not delivered 
> to my Outlook Express inbox - a little odd I know,
> but if I could access the "already trained" database
> I could see if this is really the case or not.

This is a different question.  You say it was correctly classified - did you
train on it?  If not, then you should be able to see it in the regular
review page.  If you did, then it arrived (otherwise it wouldn't be there).
You can bring it up again if you know the id (unlikely), but otherwise
you'll have to wade through the ham/spam cache directories to find it (if
you have a tool like grep available, you could search through them - they're
just text copies of the messages).

=Tony Meyer


From tpeters at mixcom.com  Tue Nov 25 00:43:14 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Tue Nov 25 00:43:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,	blew up previous 
	install of a6
In-Reply-To: <3FC2B508.6080702@videotron.ca>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124165608.00bc9d78@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124165608.00bc9d78@pop3.mixcom.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124233630.019deeb8@localhost>

I have it working now--- I think. At least all the scripts run during 
install, and the proxy service starts up again. Turns out I was a little 
unclear on the concept, installation-wise. Unzipping the archive results in 
some scripts you shouldn't run- you should run one of them and then chdir 
over to the python directory before running the rest of them. Things are 
somewhat improved now.

-T

At 08:48 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, papaDoc wrote:
>Hi Tom,
>
>Looking more closely at the error and with the new info. I think you are 
>missing the database.
>I'm not sure but I think version 1.0a6 and 1.0a7 have different name for 
>the database or where
>it is save. (I'm not sure since I'm always using the latest CVS version).
>Can you clean up/move to a safe location  the old version of spambayes.
>
>i.e.
>c:\Documents and Settings\your_user_name\Application Data\Spambayes
>Check if there is any file ending in ".ini" where you have version 1.0a7.
>
>Then reinstall version 1.0a7 not in the same directory as where 1.0a6 was.
>
>Remi
>
>>Python as installed on my machine signs on as
>>Python 2.3 (#46, Jul 29 2003, 18:54:32) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] on win32
>>
>>>>   File "D:\PROGRAMS\PYTHON\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 162, in hashopen
>>>>     d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode)
>>>>bsddb._db.DBNoSuchFileError: (2, 'No such file or directory')
>>>>Exception exceptions.AttributeError: "'MessageInfoDB' object has no 
>>>>attribute 'db'" in <bound method MessageInfoDB.__del__ of 
>>>><spambayes.message.MessageInfoDB object at 0x00A57590>> ignored
>
>


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From tpeters at mixcom.com  Tue Nov 25 01:02:13 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Tue Nov 25 01:02:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7, blew up previous
	install of a6
In-Reply-To: <9405svonp1uc7voo12klctn965scbvbo3u@4ax.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124235629.01dbd5f0@localhost>

I redid the install (just Spambayes, not Python) and got it more or less 
working. I'm trying to remember how I did it. Care to comment on my script? 
I know its not complete, but I'd like to know if anything here is 
out-and-out wrong.

Spambayes Quickstart
Applicable to POP3Proxy configuration and version 1.0a7 possibly other 
versions, Windows 2000, XP, etc.

You must have Python 2.3+ already installed. It's also helpful to add a 
path to it. In my case, I typed this at step 4:
path %path%;D:\programs\python

1. Download the package.

2. Unzip it to a temporary directory, e.g. D:\scratch, using folder names 
(directory names) which should create a directory tree under D:\scratch 
called spambayes-1.0a7 (if you're using WinZip or similar)

3. Open a command prompt in (e.g.) D:\scratch\spambayes-1.0a7

4. If your path doesn't contain the python directory, add it.

5. Run the install script for the overall package as below:
         D:\scratch\spambayes-1.0a7> python setup.py install

6. Change to the D:\programs\python directory, or your equivalent.

7. Run the configuration script. It opens a web browser and shows you the 
Spambayes Web Interface: Home page. Click on the configuration page. When 
done close the browser.
         D:\programs\python> python scripts\sb_server.py -b

8. Step 7 leaves the listener running but attached to a window. Hit 
Control-C and wait (a while) for it to die. Don't mind the traceback. Then 
setup the pop3proxy system service:
         D:\programs\python> python scripts\pop3proxy_service.py install

9. I chose to start the the pop3proxy service semiautomatically by creating 
icons on the desktop for "net start pop3proxy" and "net stop pop3proxy" and 
copying the start icon into my startup group. That way it's easy while 
testing to control whether the service starts up or not. I have the service 
configured as Startup option = Manual in Control Panel --> Administrative 
Tools --> Services, where, by the way, its display name is SpamBayes 
Service, not pop2proxy.

Once you feel that your testing of the service is complete and there you 
can allow it to auto start, set its startup type to Automatic and remove it 
from your startup group. Leave the icons or shortcuts to start and stop 
around somewhere just in case, since it does seem to need to be stopped and 
restarted every once in a while.


Information gleaned from README.TXT, INTEGRATION.TXT (possible typo), 
POP3PROXY.TXT etc.



At 10:29 PM 11/24/2003 +0000, Richie Hindle wrote:

>[Tom]
> > Can I unzip into the final location where it will be executed from
> > forevermore?
>
>No, that's not how it works.  When you unpack the archive, the files that
>you unpack are copied by the installer (setup.py) into their final
>location.  Once you've installed it, you can then delete the unpacked
>files - they're not needed any more.
>
>On your machine, the location for the installed script files is
>D:\programs\python\Scripts - that's where you should run them from.
>
>--
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>richie@entrian.com


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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 01:15:20 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 01:16:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to tell SpamBayes to check more headers (using
	MSOplugin)
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304314DB0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B18A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm still playing with it, but here's what I have so far. It 
> seems to work quite nicely - after a full retrain, I'm seeing 
> a lot of spammassassin: and
> spamcop: lines near the spammy end of evidence listings.
[...]

Thanks - I've added this to the SpamBayes wiki
(<http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki>) in case others are interested in it (if
you'd rather it wasn't there, please feel free to remove it - OTOH, if you
improve the code, or have results, feel free to add to it!).

=Tony Meyer


From tpeters at mixcom.com  Tue Nov 25 01:16:56 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Tue Nov 25 01:19:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a6 and Norton antivirus
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031107002648.02682cc8@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031125001304.01d98878@localhost>

After upgrading to 1.0a7, I still have this issue: Everything works fine 
and SpamBayes seems to classify messages properly, BUT all outbound 
messages are cranked through Norton anti virus twice each. So I went back 
to my approach, using ports 3025 and 3110. Works fine.

At 12:36 AM 11/7/2003 -0600, Tom Peters wrote:
>I had oddness with 1.0a5 and a6 and Norton antivirus under win2000 and XP. 
>Once I got it configured, Norton would process each and every message 
>twice. Once it dawned on me that it had hooked into ports 25 and 110 on 
>its own, was processing each message, then passing them on to "real" ports 
>25 and 110, I changed ports.
>
>I had Eudora Pro talk to ports 3025 and 3110 (chosen arbitrarily) and set 
>SpamBayes to proxy them to/from 25 and 110.
>
>Behaves very nicely now. Eudora can be told from command line which ini 
>file to look at for settings, so I can start it proxied or direct, 
>depending which icon I pick. Since I got it working with 1.0a5, I've never 
>used to non-proxied icon again.
>
>Any problems with this approach?
>
>
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 01:20:04 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 01:20:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,
	blew up previousinstall of a6
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304315221@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B18B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 6. Change to the D:\programs\python directory, or your equivalent.
> 
> 7. Run the configuration script.
[...]
>          D:\programs\python> python scripts\sb_server.py -b
> 
> 8. Step 7 leaves the listener running but attached to a window. Hit 
> Control-C and wait (a while) for it to die. Don't mind the 
> traceback. Then setup the pop3proxy system service:
>          D:\programs\python> python scripts\pop3proxy_service.py install

Can't you just install the service, start it, and then open up a browser
window to <http://localhost:8880>, without bothering with the sb_server.py
script?  You'll get the same results, but it seems more straightforward.
You could also add a "delete the scratch folder" step at the end if you
wanted to.

> Information gleaned from README.TXT, INTEGRATION.TXT (possible typo), 
> POP3PROXY.TXT etc.

Note that the INTEGRATION.TXT file has been integrated <wink> into the
README, and should no longer be considered accurate (it shouldn't be in any
recent releases).

=Tony Meyer


From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Tue Nov 25 08:42:14 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Tue Nov 25 08:42:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: [spambayes-dev] Three patches for better Evolution
	integration
In-Reply-To: <3FC32825.9000600@acm.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29E5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<3FC32825.9000600@acm.org>
Message-ID: <3FC35C36.2090801@videotron.ca>

Hi,

If I understand the way this will work

1- Start the first filter which call sb_evoscore.py check the return 
value if 2 move the mail to the spam folder.
     If not spam continue
2- Start the second filter which call sb_evoscore.py check the return 
value if  1 move the mail to the unsure folder
    if not unsure continue
3- Start the 3rd filter

So if your mail is ham you will call sb_evosrore twice  ?


Remi


From Ed.Bindon at bamboosolutions.com  Tue Nov 25 09:14:27 2003
From: Ed.Bindon at bamboosolutions.com (Ed Bindon)
Date: Tue Nov 25 09:14:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrade filter information lost
Message-ID: <D76A5990DD48F04986D6541068A0500A1D569F@hsinghsing.bamboo.local>

Good day,

I upgraded to the latest version of the Outlook add in and it seems that my old filter information has been lost.  

Any ideas?



Edward Bindon
703 964 2031 Direct
703 481 6319 Fax
703 964 2002 Main
703 627 9623 Mobile
ed.bindon@bamboosolutions.com
bindon@ix.netcom.com


From fuerte at sci.fi  Tue Nov 25 09:35:36 2003
From: fuerte at sci.fi (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Tue Nov 25 09:35:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook Plug-In Not Performing Well
In-Reply-To: <E1ANxae-0000t2-Lr@mail.python.org>
References: <E1ANxae-0000t2-Lr@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3FC368B8.8010906@sci.fi>

I think that I may have the same problem. I have  Spam: *4557* Ham: *1469

*SpamBayes is not working as well as it used to. I wonder if SpamBayes 
could automatically adjust the database so that it always has an equal 
amount of ham and spam, just forget the extra old spam/ham if needed.

What is the best way to retrain the database? It seems that SB already 
has all that it needs:

pop3proxy-ham-cache (91 msgs)
pop3proxy-spam-cache (495 msgs)
pop3proxy-unknown-cache (21 msgs)

The option "Days before cached messages expire:" should be changed, it 
should be "Number of ham/spam messages to cache: " with a default of 
1000 for example.

Then if we have a button "Retrain database" or "Recreate statistics", if 
would create the statistics from these cached messages. Simple?

Of course the system should move unknown messages trained as ham/spam to 
the correct folders as well.

Harri

>From: "Jordan and Rory" <Jordan_and_Rory@msn.com>
>Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook Plug-In Not Performing Well
>
>Tim,
>
>Thanks so much for the prompt response.  Your advice worked!
>
>I retrained with the 900 or so hams I had, and about 850 spams.  I now get
>MUCH better distinction between spam and ham in the re-scored notes.  Most
>of the spams now show scores in the 90-100% range; the hams all fall in the
>0-5% range.
>
>I guess with a steady 10-1 spam/ham ratio of incoming mail, I'll have to
>periodically toss a bunch of spam and retrain.
>
>I greatly appreciate the help... and am now a much happier camper! :)
>
>					-Jordan
>  
>

From Brad.Berson at abc.com  Tue Nov 25 10:35:46 2003
From: Brad.Berson at abc.com (Berson, Brad)
Date: Tue Nov 25 10:37:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Incoming email alerts...
Message-ID: <E506B3FF6BC1254C9AC1B948C380BC28A8E40A@sm-nyny-xm05.nena.wdpr.disney.com>

Oh well.  Thanks all...

-----Original Message-----
From: Kenny Pitt [mailto:kennypitt@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:33 AM
To: 'Tim Peters'; Berson, Brad
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Incoming email alerts...


Tim Peters wrote:
> [Berson, Brad]
>> ...
>> The documented problem of not being able to squash the incoming
>> email notification when an email is routed to the junk e-mail
>> folder is something that interests me because of the frequency of
>> the junk coming in, sometimes close to 100 a day.
>> 
>> There's a product called Qurb which according to what I've read,
>> may have gotten around this obstacle somehow.  I have not evaluated
>> it because whitelist solutions do not interest me.  Just thought
>> you folks might want to check that out.
> 
> One note of caution:  reverse-engineering commercial products is
> almost always a violation of the license agreement, so if someone
> does want to do this, do *not* purchase Qurb and crack how they do
> it.  Any sign of stuff like that in contributed code, and it will be
> rejected -- that can create legal problems for the whole project. 
> Since SpamBayes doesn't generate any revenue, it doesn't have any
> funds to pay lawyers either. 

With no reverse engineering required, I read Qurb's FAQ on their
website.  They state quite clearly that they are replacing the Outlook
notification with their own, and that the notification only indicates
messages that are left in the Inbox.  If an Outlook rule moves a message
to another folder, there is a good chance that Qurb will not show any
notification of that message.  This probably isn't the behavior we would
want, anyway.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From mail at edreggi.com  Tue Nov 25 11:03:17 2003
From: mail at edreggi.com (Ed Reggi)
Date: Tue Nov 25 11:03:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes questions
Message-ID: <MOEOLNGKOBDAADHFDEAIMEGFFMAA.mail@edreggi.com>

I LOVE your software!  I am using the Outlook Add-in.  I am running Win2k
with Outlook 2000.  I have been using your SpamBayes since June and find it
to be excellent.  I really have no problems until yesterday.

I added several new .PST folders in my Outlook tree.  I did that to better
organize my 4 different domain email accounts.  Here is the problem, SPAM is
indeed marked as Spam (100%) but is no longer moved over to the original
SPAM folder in my original Personal Folder PST.

Does SpamBayes not like cross moving from PST to PST folders?

Must I start over and retrain the whole thing?

Any suggestions or assistance would be nice!

Thank you,
Ed Reggi
mail@edreggi.com

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From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 25 11:16:41 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov 25 11:17:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes questions
In-Reply-To: <MOEOLNGKOBDAADHFDEAIMEGFFMAA.mail@edreggi.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE52ajFfBukU600007c15@hotmail.com>

Ed Reggi wrote:
> I added several new .PST folders in my Outlook tree.  I did that to
> better organize my 4 different domain email accounts.  Here is the
> problem, SPAM is indeed marked as Spam (100%) but is no longer moved
> over to the original SPAM folder in my original Personal Folder PST.

Are you using Outlook rules to move messages received from certain
accounts to folders in the separate PST files?  If so, have you enabled
background filtering in SpamBayes to make sure that Outlook rules run
first?  Also, make sure that you have added each of the folders to which
mail will be delivered to the list of filtered folders in SpamBayes.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From morgan at mcode.co.za  Tue Nov 25 11:19:02 2003
From: morgan at mcode.co.za (Morgan Collett)
Date: Tue Nov 25 11:19:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py on linux - web interface not working
Message-ID: <3FC380F6.5000602@mcode.co.za>

I'm installing spambayes on my DSL gateway, a debian linux box.

I'm running the following command line:
/usr/bin/sb_server.py -D /var/spambayes/spam.pickle pop.mcode.co.za

I get the following text when it starts:

 > SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta3, version 0.3 (September 2003),
 > using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha3, version 0.03
 > and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).
 >
 > Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying pop.mcode.co.za:110
 > User interface url is http://localhost:8880/

The problem is that the web interface is not working. If I use Mozilla 
to go to the URL (from a different box on my network) I get "Document 
contains no data".

If I telnet to the port, I get the following:

 > # telnet localhost 8880
 > Trying 127.0.0.1...
 > Connected to localhost.
 > Escape character is '^]'.
 > GET /
 >
 > HTTP/1.0 400 Error
 > Connection: close
 > Content-Type: text/html
 >
 > <html><body>Malformed request: 'GET /'</body></html>Connection closed 
by foreign host.

If I start sb_server.py with -b, it opens lynx on my gateway box, which 
just sits there trying to connect until I hit ^C. Then I get:

 > error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel
 > <spambayes.Dibbler._HTTPHandler connected at 0x8399b2c>
 > (socket.error:(32, 'Broken pipe')
 > [/usr/lib/python2.2/asynchat.py|initiate_send|213]
 > [/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py|send|339])

I then hit ^C again, and get:

 > Traceback (most recent call last):
 >   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 833, in ?
 >     run()
 >   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 827, in run
 >     start(state=state)
 >   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 767, in start
 >     main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state.launchUI)
 >   File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 748, in main
 >     Dibbler.run(launchBrowser=launchUI)
 >   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 
689, in run
 >     asyncore.loop(map=context._map)
 >   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 201, in loop
 >     poll_fun (timeout, map)
 >   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/asyncore.py", line 79, in poll
 >     r,w,e = select.select (r,w,e, timeout)
 > KeyboardInterrupt

Note: I'm using Debian stable (woody) which has Python 2.2.1. I have 
copied the /usr/lib/python2.2/email/ files from the install from debian 
unstable, which has Python 2.2.3. That fixed the error message when I 
installed spambayes. Do I need to do anything else?


From marka at firstquadrant.com  Tue Nov 25 11:42:16 2003
From: marka at firstquadrant.com (Mark Arredondo)
Date: Tue Nov 25 11:43:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question regarding out of office assistant
Message-ID: <BF1E50718AF7D311951A00805FBB7100062E58A3@fqpexc.fqw.com>

Is it possible to get Span Bayes to filter spam prior to the out of office
message being sent?

Thanks,

Mark

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Arredondo           
First Quadrant, L.P.          
(626) 683-4169
marka@firstquadrant.com

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 25 11:43:04 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov 25 11:43:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py on linux - web interface not working
In-Reply-To: <3FC380F6.5000602@mcode.co.za>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE42xVY60mJWE000036de@hotmail.com>

Morgan Collett wrote:
> I'm installing spambayes on my DSL gateway, a debian linux box.
> 
> I'm running the following command line:
> /usr/bin/sb_server.py -D /var/spambayes/spam.pickle pop.mcode.co.za
> 
> I get the following text when it starts:
> 
>  > SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta3, version 0.3 (September 2003),
>  > using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha3, version 0.03
>  > and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).
>  >
>  > Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying
>  pop.mcode.co.za:110 > User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
> 
> The problem is that the web interface is not working. If I use Mozilla
> to go to the URL (from a different box on my network) I get "Document
> contains no data".

Just a few thoughts that will hopefully get you started on
troubleshooting (maybe someone more familiar with Linux can add to
this).

First, "localhost" is a standard name used to refer to the system that
you are running on, so you can't use that name to connect from "a
different box on the network".  You'll need to use the actual hostname
of the box (e.g. "mygateway") or its IP address.

Second, SpamBayes by default prevents you from connecting to the Web
interface from a remote system for security reasons.  You need to change
a configuration setting to allow other systems to connect.  This is
normally done from the Advanced Configuration page in the UI, but it
sounds like you aren't able to get there even on the gateway box so
you'll have to edit the config file manually.  Sorry I can't tell you
precisely where to find it on Linux, but it will likely be in the same
directory as your database ("/var/spambayes"?) and will probably have
"bayescustomize" somewhere in the name.  You'll need to add the
following lines in this file:

[html_ui]
allow_remote_connections:1.2.3.4

If there is already an "[html_ui]" section then you can just insert the
second line under there.  "1.2.3.4" should be replaced by the IP address
of the remote machine that you want to connect from.  Here is the
complete help string for the option:

     """Enter a list of trusted IPs, separated by commas. Remote
     connections from any of them will be allowed. You can trust any
     IP using a single '*' as field value. You can also trust ranges of
     IPs using the '*' character as a wildcard (for instance
192.168.0.*).
     The localhost IP will always be trusted. Type 'localhost' in the
     field to trust this only address.""",

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 25 12:03:09 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Nov 25 12:03:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question regarding out of office assistant
In-Reply-To: <BF1E50718AF7D311951A00805FBB7100062E58A3@fqpexc.fqw.com>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE72PgTN4tNNn000034d6@hotmail.com>

Mark Arredondo wrote:
> Is it possible to get Span Bayes to filter spam prior to the out of
> office message being sent?

Unfortunately not.  IIRC, the Out of Office message is sent by the
Exchange Server as soon as the message is received.  Outlook doesn't
even need to be running for this to happen since you are "out of the
office".

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From Karl-Heinz.Dreinhoff at t-online.de  Tue Nov 25 03:19:48 2003
From: Karl-Heinz.Dreinhoff at t-online.de (Karl-Heinz Dreinhoff)
Date: Tue Nov 25 12:49:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spam bayes configuration not possible: feature not
	available
Message-ID: <000001c3b32c$e7a79b80$fe78a8c0@p4>

Operating System: Windows XP SP1 german
Office Version: Office XP german

Since some months I used Spam Bayes 007 and 0081. It worked fine.

Configuring via task bar also worked fine, until 4 days ago.

Since then, when I click to a spam bayes button, a message box opens
(see the pdf document enclosed: message #1).

Clicking to 'Cancel' produces message #2.
Clicking to 'OK' produces message #3.

Becaused spam bayes had been configured before, filtering was working
on.

I uninstalled spam bayes an installed it again - the failure remains.
But now filtering is working no more.

I cannot identify what happened 4 days ago what made the spam bayes
alter its behaviour.

 

Karl-Heinz Dreinhoff
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From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Tue Nov 25 13:19:59 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Tue Nov 25 13:21:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py on linux - web interface not working
In-Reply-To: <3FC380F6.5000602@mcode.co.za>
References: <3FC380F6.5000602@mcode.co.za>
Message-ID: <3FC39D4F.30805@videotron.ca>

Hi Morgan,

We need more info,

> I'm installing spambayes on my DSL gateway, a debian linux box. 

This is good ;-)

> I'm running the following command line:
> /usr/bin/sb_server.py -D /var/spambayes/spam.pickle pop.mcode.co.za
>
> I get the following text when it starts:
>
> > SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta3, version 0.3 (September 2003),
> > using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha3, version 0.03
> > and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).
> >
> > Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying 
> pop.mcode.co.za:110
> > User interface url is http://localhost:8880/
>
> The problem is that the web interface is not working. If I use Mozilla 
> to go to the URL (from a different box on my network) I get "Document 
> contains no data". 

So if I understand correctly
On PC (pc_A) you do: /usr/bin/sb_server.py -D /var/spambayes/spam.pickle 
pop.mcode.co.za
On PC (pc_B) you do: http://localhost:8880/ ????
You should do: http://pc_A:8880/ since on pc_B localhost is the same as pc_B


> If I telnet to the port, I get the following:
>
> > # telnet localhost 8880
> > Trying 127.0.0.1...
> > Connected to localhost.
> > Escape character is '^]'.
> > GET /
> >
> > HTTP/1.0 400 Error
> > Connection: close
> > Content-Type: text/html
> >
> > <html><body>Malformed request: 'GET /'</body></html>Connection 
> closed by foreign host.

You are on which pc when you do that ?
you should be on pc_A

>
> If I start sb_server.py with -b, it opens lynx on my gateway box, 
> which just sits there trying to connect until I hit ^C. Then I get: 

Do you get any error before doing the ^C ?

Remi

P.S, My question are very basic but your message is not clear (at least 
to me ;-6  ) but from your setup you don't  look like
        a "debutant". (debian, lynx, unstable....)

P.S,S My home server run Debian (Woody) with the oython from the 
unstable and I'm able to run sb_mboxtrain and sb_filter but
I did not try the sb_serber.  you can also try to create the database 
with sb_mboxtrain just to test the database creation.


From michael at ccminc.com  Tue Nov 25 14:43:48 2003
From: michael at ccminc.com (Michael Burkett)
Date: Tue Nov 25 14:44:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Rules
Message-ID: <000001c3b38c$72e305e0$4101a8c0@michael>

Is there a way to export rules from 1 computer to the next? ie email that I
have deemed as spam to another user?


Thank you,

Michael Burkett
CCM Investment Advisers
Tele 803.254.9500
Fax 803.252.9530
Email michael@ccminc.com



From skip at pobox.com  Tue Nov 25 15:24:34 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Nov 25 15:24:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Rules
In-Reply-To: <000001c3b38c$72e305e0$4101a8c0@michael>
References: <000001c3b38c$72e305e0$4101a8c0@michael>
Message-ID: <16323.47746.799326.722609@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Michael> Is there a way to export rules from 1 computer to the next? ie
    Michael> email that I have deemed as spam to another user?

Sure, just copy the database (spambayes.db, hammie.db, whatever it's called
on your machine) to the corresponding location on the other machine.

Skip


From bughuntr at one.ctelcom.net  Tue Nov 25 16:08:08 2003
From: bughuntr at one.ctelcom.net (Bug Hunter)
Date: Tue Nov 25 16:08:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] failure to install 1.0a7 on Mandrake 9.2 download
	edition
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0311251605360.1406-100000@one.ctelcom.net>


  I'm trying to get spambayes 1.0a7 on Mandrake 9.2 download edition. The 
error that comes back is:

[root@one spambayes-1.0a7]# ./setup.py install
running install
error: invalid Python installation: unable to open 
/usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)


  Any clues would be helpful.  I've previously installed spambayes on a 
Redhat, but that was after downloading and installing it by hand, so the 
Makefile was there.  This is a fresh Mandrake 9.2 install.

  I found another email saying to do a /usr/local/bin softlink. That did 
not help, of course.


  Should I disable this test in the python code?


-- 
---------------------------------
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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Nov 25 16:16:02 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Nov 25 16:16:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] failure to install 1.0a7 on Mandrake 9.2 download
	edition
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0311251605360.1406-100000@one.ctelcom.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0311251605360.1406-100000@one.ctelcom.net>
Message-ID: <16323.50834.83655.244315@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Bug> [root@one spambayes-1.0a7]# ./setup.py install
    Bug> running install
    Bug> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open 
    Bug> /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)

Make sure you have the Python development RPM installed.

Skip

From richie at entrian.com  Tue Nov 25 16:18:52 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue Nov 25 16:19:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py on linux - web interface not working
In-Reply-To: <3FC380F6.5000602@mcode.co.za>
References: <3FC380F6.5000602@mcode.co.za>
Message-ID: <4nh7svkvoi62ibolmkpshb4tm47aihs9t4@4ax.com>


> # telnet localhost 8880
> Trying 127.0.0.1...
> Connected to localhost.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> GET /
>
> HTTP/1.0 400 Error
> Connection: close
> Content-Type: text/html
>
> <html><body>Malformed request: 'GET /'</body></html>Connection closed 
> by foreign host.

I'm not sure what other problems you might be having, but "GET /" is
invalid.  You should say "GET / HTTP/1.0" (or 0.9 or 1.1; doesn't make any
difference).

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Nov 25 16:30:03 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Nov 25 16:30:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py on linux - web interface not working
In-Reply-To: <4nh7svkvoi62ibolmkpshb4tm47aihs9t4@4ax.com>
References: <3FC380F6.5000602@mcode.co.za>
	<4nh7svkvoi62ibolmkpshb4tm47aihs9t4@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <16323.51675.47170.514925@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Richie> I'm not sure what other problems you might be having, but "GET
    Richie> /" is invalid.  You should say "GET / HTTP/1.0" (or 0.9 or 1.1;
    Richie> doesn't make any difference).

Actually, "GET /" was what 0.9 used.  The "HTTP/version" thing was added in
1.0, and serves to distinguish from 0.9 which also didn't support
RFC-822-style headers.  That's why to get a response from a 1.n server you
have to hit return twice.

A simple "GET /" should be valid with servers which still support it.  It
appears Google's server doesn't:

    titan:skip% telnet www.google.com 80
    Trying 216.239.59.99...
    Connected to www.google.com.
    Escape character is '^]'.
    GET /
    Connection closed by foreign host.

    titan:skip% telnet www.google.com 80
    Trying 216.239.59.99...
    Connected to www.google.com.
    Escape character is '^]'.
    GET / HTTP/1.0

    HTTP/1.0 200 OK
    Cache-control: private
    Content-Type: text/html
    Set-Cookie: PREF=ID=1645a57593cd4cf6:TM=1069795629:LM=1069795629:S=XkFjoFsxQxjBaOpy; expires=Sun, 17-Jan-2038 19:14:07 GMT; path=/; domain=.google.com
    Server: GWS/2.1
    Content-length: 2690
    Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:27:09 GMT
    Connection: Keep-Alive

    ...

Skip

From bughuntr at one.ctelcom.net  Tue Nov 25 16:30:54 2003
From: bughuntr at one.ctelcom.net (Bug Hunter)
Date: Tue Nov 25 16:31:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] failure to install 1.0a7 on Mandrake 9.2 download
	edition
In-Reply-To: <16323.50834.83655.244315@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0311251605360.1406-100000@one.ctelcom.net>
	<16323.50834.83655.244315@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0311251630360.2663-100000@one.ctelcom.net>


  Thanks! That was it. DOH!

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Skip Montanaro wrote:

> 
>     Bug> [root@one spambayes-1.0a7]# ./setup.py install
>     Bug> running install
>     Bug> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open 
>     Bug> /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
> 
> Make sure you have the Python development RPM installed.
> 
> Skip
> 

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From tpeters at mixcom.com  Tue Nov 25 16:48:33 2003
From: tpeters at mixcom.com (Tom Peters)
Date: Tue Nov 25 16:49:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Ultra Quick Start Doc
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B18B@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304315221@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031125154440.00b3b880@localhost>

Tony / Richie / All:
What follows is a ultra quick startup guide, really an outline. I should 
include an exhortation to read the rest of the included docs, but I myself 
did so, and as Tony will attest, screwed up my install of 1.0a7 but good 
anyhow. This is intended to outline the steps in rought form. I'd like some 
feedback as before, not so much as to what I left out (although you could 
do that too) but more as to any outright lies told below. This doc is based 
entirely on my own experiences installing (incorrectly) 1.0a5, a6, and a7.


Spambayes Ultra Quickstart
Applicable to POP3Proxy configuration and version 1.0a7 possibly other 
versions and configurations, Windows 2000, XP, etc.

You must have Python 2.3+ already installed. It's also helpful to add a 
path to it. In my case, I typed this at step 4:
path %path%;D:\programs\python

1. Download the package.

2. Unzip it to a temporary directory, e.g. D:\scratch, using folder names 
(directory names) which should create a directory tree under D:\scratch 
called spambayes-1.0a7

3. Open a command prompt in (e.g.) D:\scratch\spambayes-1.0a7

4. If your path doesn't contain the python directory, add it.

5. Run the install script for the overall package as below:
         D:\scratch\spambayes-1.0a7> python setup.py install

6. Change to the D:\programs\python directory, or your equivalent.

7. Setup the pop3proxy system service:
         D:\programs\python> python scripts\pop3proxy_service.py install

8. I chose to start the the pop3proxy service semiautomatically by creating 
icons on the desktop for "net start pop3proxy" and "net stop pop3proxy" and 
copying the start icon into my startup group. That way it's easy while 
testing to control whether the service starts up or not. I have the service 
configured as Startup option = Manual in Control Panel --> Administrative 
Tools --> Services, where, by the way, its display name is SpamBayes 
Service, not pop3proxy.

Once you feel that your testing of the service is complete and there you 
can allow it to auto start, set its startup type to Automatic and remove it 
from your startup group. Leave the icons or shortcuts to start and stop 
around somewhere just in case, since it does seem to need to be stopped and 
restarted every once in a while.

9. Start the pop3proxy service. The command line
D:\any_prompt> net start pop3proxy
should do it, else use a shortcut or icon you devised in step 8.

10. Open a web browser and press ESC or click the stop icon so you don't 
have to wait for it to open your start page. Type in the following address 
and press ENTER: http://localhost:8880

This should open a page called Spambayes Web Interface: Home. If it 
doesn't, the pop3proxy service (see step 8) isn't running.

11. Click on the link at "You can configure your Spambayes system using the 
Configuration page." Configure Spambayes there. Information on suggestion 
configuration to follow later.


Notes:
Information gleaned from README.TXT, POP3PROXY.TXT etc.

The file INTEGRATION.TXT, formerly included with all alpha releases, is 
depreciated, per Tony Meyer, and may not be included in future releases.



At 07:20 PM 11/25/2003 +1300, Tony Meyer wrote:
>Can't you just install the service, start it, and then open up a browser
>window to <http://localhost:8880>, without bothering with the sb_server.py
>script?  You'll get the same results, but it seems more straightforward.
>You could also add a "delete the scratch folder" step at the end if you
>wanted to.
>
>=Tony Meyer


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From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Tue Nov 25 16:49:22 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Tue Nov 25 16:49:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train_on_filter
Message-ID: <20031125214922.GA7934@nl.linux.org>

Hi,

as I understand it, train_on_filter automatically trains all messages
filtered which are not classified as unsure. If I would put this option
on, the ham/spam ratio of my database would steadily move toward the
ham/spam ratio of all incoming e-mail, which is approximately 10. This
ratio is far from optimal, of course. Is it possible to tell Spambayes
to train on filter, but only if this will not lead to a ham/spam ratio
larger than, e.g., 1.5 or smaller than 0.5?

yours,
Gerrit Holl.

-- 
102. If a merchant entrust money to an agent (broker) for some
investment, and the broker suffer a loss in the place to which he goes, he
shall make good the capital to the merchant.
          -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law
-- 
Asperger's Syndrome - a personal approach:
	http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/english/

From epxmhwg02 at sneakemail.com  Tue Nov 25 17:18:33 2003
From: epxmhwg02 at sneakemail.com (Joe)
Date: Tue Nov 25 17:18:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] concerns over MS patents
Message-ID: <2939-10502@sneakemail.com>

Has anyone looked at Microsoft's two patents on probabilistic filtering?  I'm stunned that these two patents would be approved.  If I'm reading them correctly, they give MS a lock on ALL probabilistic email filtering.  (Which would include SpamBayes, PopFile, K9, and dozens of other email filters.)



Sorry about the length:



http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,192,360.WKU.&OS=PN/6,192,360&RS=PN/6,192,360



and



http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,161,130.WKU.&OS=PN/6,161,130&RS=PN/6,161,130



Has MS "bought" the whole spam-filtering playing field?

From richie at entrian.com  Tue Nov 25 17:35:26 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue Nov 25 17:35:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] notate_subject
In-Reply-To: <20031111224852.GE18670@hank.marinar.com>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C939@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29B6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<20031111224852.GE18670@hank.marinar.com>
Message-ID: <akl7svcclecdf1dipjb68325p5jin7de29@4ax.com>

Hank,

A couple of weeks ago you and Tony posted patches to make sb_filter obey
the notate_to and notate_subject options.  I've finally applied a modified
version of them, that respects both of those options.  I've committed it
to the head, so it may not be in the next bugfix release, but will be in
the next feature release.

> I by no means mean to nitpick, but it would be very nice to see the
> Prob score in the Subject as well.

I didn't do this, partly because none of the other header-modifying
spambayes applications does it, and partly because it made the To /
Subject very messy looking.  And I find that the scores get less
interesting over time - they're fun to look at at first, and useful when
debugging, but day to day I don't look at them.  YMMV.  8-)

> So far, I am VERY happy with how this filter is performing.  I am now
> rolling it out to the rest of my clients, and so far it is well
> received.

Hope its still going well?

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 17:40:10 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 17:40:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Header annotations included in classification?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304315000@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29EA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Remi]
> If you retrain (an email was not classified correctly, or 
> retrain from scratch with old mail ) this can be a problem
> but there is options to not look at headers  but I think
> the subject is always classified.

[Dave Brueck]
> Aha! Thanks for your help - I feel a bit dumb but now 
> understand my problem better. :) On the Home -> Review web 
> page I was looking through the list of emails for which it 
> was unsure and marking them as Ham or Spam and then clicking 
> the Train button. But as Spambayes began to classify emails 
> on its own they began to also show up in their own section 
> ("Messages classified as Spam") and by default they have the 
> "Spam" radio button selected so by clicking Train I was 
> running them through as training material as well.

A little late, but some clarification:

When SpamBayes trains via (the review page of) the web interface, it's not
accessing the mail from your mail client (whatever it is) - it's using a
copy of the message that it stored in it's cache when the message arrived.
This copy does not have any SpamBayes information in it - it's a raw copy of
the incoming message.  So there's no way for training via (the review page
of) the web interface to include SpamBayes data, unless it was in the
original message.

The review page could strip out the [Spam] bit from the headers, if it is
adding them; I note that there's a feature request open about this, so I'll
(or someone else'll) get to this at some point.

If you *retrain* (correct previous training, for example) on mail via the
web interface (using the "find message" query), then this also works with
the cached messages, so will also work correctly.  If, however, you train
from scratch by providing mbox/dbx files via the front page of the web
interface, and the mail in those files has SpamBayes data, it *will* be
used.  For the most part, this won't matter - all the SpamBayes headers are
ignored by default, so they won't have any effect.  The modified subject/to
header, *will* be tokenized, though.  (This isn't something I had considered
previously).

I think that the correct behaviour would be to strip '[ham|unsure|spam]'
from subjects when tokenizing if SpamBayes is set to add those
classifications.  This wouldn't be perfect - and maybe would lose
information that something else is adding - but it's probably more reliable
that the current situation (I think it's probably better to not use all the
data than to use incorrect data).  I'll (or whoever) will look into this
when dealing with the feature request.

=Tony Meyer


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Nov 25 17:40:41 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Nov 25 17:41:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train_on_filter
In-Reply-To: <20031125214922.GA7934@nl.linux.org>
References: <20031125214922.GA7934@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <16323.55913.26215.650467@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Gerrit> Is it possible to tell Spambayes to train on filter, but only if
    Gerrit> this will not lead to a ham/spam ratio larger than, e.g., 1.5 or
    Gerrit> smaller than 0.5?

No, but the topic has been discussed in the past.  Feel free to tweak the
source and submit a patch while we Americans are pigging out on turkey and
watching (American) football for the next few days... ;-)

Skip

From richie at entrian.com  Tue Nov 25 17:42:14 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue Nov 25 17:42:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't start pop3proxy_service alpha 7
In-Reply-To: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <3dm7svku2qdl9smqbtehdqstmnp3nk6vqk@4ax.com>

Martin,

> msginfoDB = MessageInfoPickle(message_info_db_name)
> [...]
> KeyError: '\x00'

I'm half guessing, but I wonder if your old bsddb messageinfo database is
now being erroneously loaded as a pickle?  There's a new feature in 1.0a7
whereby if you're using a pickle for your main DB, the messageinfo DB is
also a pickle.  Deleting the old one should sort it out (since you're not
using the IMAP filter, deleting it is quite safe).  Shut down sb_server
(or whatever you run), delete spambayes.messageinfo.db and restart.

WHAT_IS_NEW.txt claims that the upgrade will have no ill effects outside
the IMAP filter, but perhaps we got that wrong?

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From richie at entrian.com  Tue Nov 25 17:44:19 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue Nov 25 17:44:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Can't start pop3proxy_service alpha 7
In-Reply-To: <bp13q8$c2$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<bp0jnd$4i8$1@sea.gmane.org>	<hov7rv4s75gbrb4989egc6p01it8ge3l16@4ax.com>
	<bp12uo$upf$1@sea.gmane.org> <bp13q8$c2$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <6nm7sv0c3p7qitp5lr3tv03nspmjq69mui@4ax.com>

Martin,

[you, ages ago]
> I'll try uninstalling python, deleting everything, and starting over. 
> I'll post again with the results.
> [...]
> Results: same thing :(

[me, just now, irrelevantly]
> delete spambayes.messageinfo.db and restart

Sorry, that's completely irrelevant advice - I've just read your second
posting again.  Did you manage to get anywhere with the problem?

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 17:47:09 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 17:47:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't start pop3proxy_service alpha 7
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130431544E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B18F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Richie]
> WHAT_IS_NEW.txt claims that the upgrade will have no ill 
> effects outside the IMAP filter, but perhaps we got that wrong?

My bad.  I was in a bit of a hurry when I wrote the 1.0a7 stuff, and missed
out a bit.  It should say that if you're using a pickle, then you will need
to remove your old message info db, and that *removing it* will have no ill
effects outside the IMAP filter.  It neglects to mention the removing step.

My apologies. :)

=Tony Meyer


From richie at entrian.com  Tue Nov 25 17:48:36 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue Nov 25 17:49:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Outlook Plug-In Not Performing Well
In-Reply-To: <3FC368B8.8010906@sci.fi>
References: <E1ANxae-0000t2-Lr@mail.python.org> <3FC368B8.8010906@sci.fi>
Message-ID: <prm7svsdghd0nqn75n1dmcobq3k2nhligf@4ax.com>

Harri,

> What is the best way to retrain the database? It seems that SB already 
> has all that it needs:
> 
> pop3proxy-ham-cache (91 msgs)
> pop3proxy-spam-cache (495 msgs)
> pop3proxy-unknown-cache (21 msgs)

You're right, and retraining is exactly the reason that trained messages
are kept like that.  However, no-one every got around to implementing the
feature.  Retraining from scratch is so easy - you only need a few dozen
messages to get good results - that there's been no pressure for the
feature.  And of course the developers (that's mostly me in the case of
the web training interface 8-) know to keep their database in balance, so
they don't run into the problem.

The next feature release has a feature whereby the web interface warns you
if it thinks your database is getting too imbalanced.  That may prove to
be enough to avoid the problem.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 17:54:32 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 17:54:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] problem
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130431539E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B190@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I've looked in every folder I have-one of the it techs set 
> this up for me, evidently there is no folder for mail 
> spambayes is unsure of, only spam folder--

So what's it doing with mail it's unsure about?  Leaving it in the inbox?
Or are the thresholds set so that SpamBayes is making a binary decision?

You say that you've looked in every folder you have - have you tried using
the "Advanced Find" feature of Outlook?  I've seen another message recently
from someone who said that this found the messages in the Inbox, even though
he couldn't see them (I'm not sure how that's possible, but it's what the
message said).

> also, should I be 
> deleting some of those emails?--that folder is getting really 
> full

See FAQ 4.6:
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#do-i-need-to-keep-spam-after-it-h
as-been-trained-if-so-for-how-long>

> -I am still getting some in-coming mail blocked that 
> dissappeares mysteriously and I can't find it.

SpamBayes only moves messages, it never removes them, so either they're
there, or some other program is touching them.  Can you duplicate this
problem?  i.e. send yourself a message that doesn't appear?  Does this
happen if you disable spambayes? (from the main "SpamBayes Manager" dialog)

=Tony Meyer


From richie at entrian.com  Tue Nov 25 17:55:56 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Tue Nov 25 17:56:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help! Can't install 1.0a7,
	blew up previous install of a6
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124235629.01dbd5f0@localhost>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124125332.00bb31f0@pop3.mixcom.com>
	<9405svonp1uc7voo12klctn965scbvbo3u@4ax.com>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20031124235629.01dbd5f0@localhost>
Message-ID: <j3n7svogodla01c6vqiuqo97ke2hanepog@4ax.com>

Tom,

> I redid the install (just Spambayes, not Python) and got it more or less 
> working. I'm trying to remember how I did it. Care to comment on my script? 

Great!  Glad to know you're up and running.  I have one comment on your
script:

> 7. [...] When done close the browser. [...]
> 8. [...] Hit Control-C and wait (a while) for it to die. Don't mind the
> traceback.

This is a bit harsh.  "When done, click Save and shutdown" would be
better.

Otherwise, that's great.  Now for double bonus points 8-) add it to the
SpamBayes Wiki at http://entrian.com/sbwiki in the UserRecipes section...

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 18:25:18 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 18:25:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304315360@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29EC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> However, something strange is going on.  I found your
> email reply while reviewing messages at localhost:8800
> - it was classified as "ham" you'll be glad to hear - 
> but it was never delivered to my Outlook Express inbox.

Are you certain?  For this to happen something would have to go wrong in the
POP3 conversation between the mail client and the proxy, but after spambayes
saved a copy of the message.  I would have thought that the mail client
would then give an error.  To simply not deliver a message seems unlikely.
If you set the "verbose" option to true, you get a log that includes the
POP3 conversation.  Attaching this to a bug report would (probably) be
helpful.

> I'm beginning to wonder if Spambayes is losing other
> incoming messages of mine too.  The command window is
> showing loads of errors - I'll append one below in case
> it's of any use.
[...]
> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'C:\\Documents and
Settings\\Berna
> rd Payne\\Application Data\\SpamBayes\\Proxy\\spam_cache\\1069081264'
[...]

This is an odd message to be getting.  It seems to indicate that files are
being removed from your cache directories by something other than SpamBayes.
Is that possible?  SpamBayes really doesn't like any changes being made to
those cache directories by anyone else.

In any case, if the message isn't there in the cache, this would cause the
*opposite* problem - messages would appear in your mail client, but not on
the review page.

Do error messages appear *during the time that mail is arriving*?  If so,
these are problem different than the above and would be more useful.  In
fact, a complete listing of all the errors (attached to a bug report on
sourceforge) would be the best.

=Tony Meyer


From kfritsche at oceprinting.com  Tue Nov 25 18:29:44 2003
From: kfritsche at oceprinting.com (Fritsche, Ken)
Date: Tue Nov 25 18:25:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Folder
Message-ID: <1091D1207C5B884088EE8B7A2492D970027F8FC6@brsmtp01.oceprinting.com>

You have a great program.  But suddenly the folder entitled "SPAM" has
disappeared from my folder list.  All the actions continue to take place,
meaning the Spam emails are suddenly swept away, and the unsure ones are
sent into the Suspected folder, but I can't see the Spam folder.  Any ideas
you can offer?? 

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 18:29:13 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 18:29:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Folder
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130431546A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B193@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> You have a great program.  But suddenly the folder entitled 
> "SPAM" has disappeared from my folder list.  All the actions 
> continue to take place, meaning the Spam emails are suddenly 
> swept away, and the unsure ones are sent into the Suspected 
> folder, but I can't see the Spam folder.  Any ideas you can offer?? 

The spam folder is probably hidden under some other folder - in Outlook it's
very simple to accidentally drag a folder to become a sub folder of other
one.  Try doing an "Advanced Find" for the folder, or messages in the
folder, or examining the folder list carefully, expanding all folders (the
little pluses).

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 18:39:42 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 18:39:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] email eaten
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304315081@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B194@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have found some of the emails using the adv find command.  Thanks! 

No worries.

> However, it shows they are in my "in box" even though I can't 
> see them listed there.  I can find no command in Outlook or 
> Spam Bytes that would "hide" them.  Can you help.  This 
> didn't start happening until after I installed Spam Bytes.
> 
> I am buffaloed.

SpamBayes can't hide mail in any way; the code simply doesn't exist.
Outlook can hide mail in a view with a filter, though, so maybe that's it
(the Outlook help has information about that - an 'answer wizard' search for
'hidden mail' will bring it up).  You can change the view by using
"customize view".

Perhaps you had an existing filter before you installed SpamBayes, which the
messages somehow now fit?  Or the SpamBayes install is just coincidental?

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 18:56:54 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 18:57:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304314FD7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B195@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Thought I'd let you know, my husband LOVES your Spambayes.  
> After only a couple of weeks, it has "learned" what he likes 
> and doesn't, and he's nearly free of spam!

Great, good to hear.

> He said I 
> shouldn't tell you, because your program is free, and you'll 
> want a donation, which we can't manage at the moment
[...]

Not at all - we're more than happy for people to use SpamBayes without
contributing - we only added the contribution facility after people
requested it.  Although the money is put to a good cause, the chances are
that it won't end up going to the spambayes project (the donate link has
more info) anyway, so it won't effect what we do here.

> Anyway, I told him people always like 
> compliments, so I'm sending one.

We certainly do - and it makes a nice break from the bug reports ;)

=Tony Meyer


From atom at suspicious.org  Tue Nov 25 19:56:11 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Tue Nov 25 19:56:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mailsort.py (*nix)
In-Reply-To: <3dm7svku2qdl9smqbtehdqstmnp3nk6vqk@4ax.com>
References: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<3dm7svku2qdl9smqbtehdqstmnp3nk6vqk@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311251508420.47740@research.suspicious.org>

is 'sb_mailsort.py' supposed to use a different db than 'sb_filter.py'?

'sb_filter.py' seems to prefer:		~/.hammiedb
'sb_mailsort.py' seems to prefer:	~/.spambayes/wordprobs.cdb

also, what file-format is wordprobs.cdb?
.hammiedb:                Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2, native byte-order)
.spambayes/wordprobs.cdb: data

after being trained on the same stuff, they're about the same size:
-rw-r--r--  1 atom  atom  1310720 Nov 25 16:25 /usr/home/atom/.hammiedb
-rw-r--r--  1 atom  atom  1236479 Nov 25 16:18 /usr/home/atom/.spambayes/wordprobs.cdb

are they supposed to not share a db?
what format is wordprobs.cdb? is that DJB's cdb?
what incompatibilities should i expect in the foreseeable future?

with 'sb_mailsort.py', how certain is it that a failure of any kind will
return a non-zero status, and let qmail know that the delivery attempt was
not successful?

tested on:
 freeBSD 4.7
 python 2.2.3 & 2.3.2
 spambayes 1.0a7

also... i *was* thinking maybe this can fix (or get around) the ~weird~
problem i'm having after upgrading to python 2.3... i created a db using
'sb_mailsort.py' and tried to let 'sb_filter.py' read it, but it failed :(

the good news is that 'sb_mailsort.py' does seem to work under both of my
environments (old and new python).


        ...atom

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From wsy at merl.com  Tue Nov 25 20:12:17 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Tue Nov 25 20:12:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] concerns over MS patents
In-Reply-To: <2939-10502@sneakemail.com> (epxmhwg02@sneakemail.com)
References: <2939-10502@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <200311260112.hAQ1CHO20190@localhost.localdomain>


   From: "Joe" <epxmhwg02@sneakemail.com>

   Has anyone looked at Microsoft's two patents on probabilistic
   filtering?  I'm stunned that these two patents would be approved.
   If I'm reading them correctly, they give MS a lock on ALL
   probabilistic email filtering.  (Which would include SpamBayes,
   PopFile, K9, and dozens of other email filters.)

   Sorry about the length:


   http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,192,360.WKU.&OS=PN/6,192,360&RS=PN/6,192,360

Not a problem.  This would cover support vector machines (and other
ways of terming a support vector machine, i.e. sigmoid) only and
no spam filter I know of uses the SVM methods.


   and



   http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,161,130.WKU.&OS=PN/6,161,130&RS=PN/6,161,130

Not a problem.  This one uses a pre-defined set of N features and
only _possibly_ does only SpamAssassin do this, but it's still not
a problem since SA doesn't auto retrain.

   Has MS "bought" the whole spam-filtering playing field?

Nope.  :)

You really need to read the claims here, you know.  They aren't that
bad.

    -Bill Yerazunis

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Nov 25 21:07:40 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Nov 25 21:07:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13043154A9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29EF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Tony, do you handle bug reports re: the Outlook Plugin?

I sometimes answers questions about the plug-in that are posted to the list,
yes, although not always.  Please don't email any of the developers
privately though (unless requested to) - we read the lists and answer as we
have time.

> If not, who can I contact, I have not gotten any feedback on the 
> list.  If so, can you help me with my problem?

The best thing to do is either be patient - there aren't that many people
who are expert enough with the plug-in to answer difficult questions, and
Mark is quite busy at the moment - or to open a bug report on sourceforge
(<http://sf.net/projects/spambayes>).  The bug report will definitely be
dealt with at some point.  The troubleshooting guide explains what
information should be included in the report.

> I do not know what happened, but Spambayes was working great, 
> then stopped!  I tried uninstall and redownloading and 
> reinstall, but it made no difference.  Even after uninstall 
> and before the download, the "Delete as Spam" Icon and the 
> "Spambays" drop down were there, but clicking on Delete as 
> spam did nothing, and there was no drop down on the spambayse 
> key, so I cannot get to the manager.  The filter is not 
> working anymore, all email just goes into my inbox.  Help!.  
> What happened?

This doesn't include enough information.  Have you gone through the steps in
the troubleshooting guide?  What's in your log files?  What version of
SpamBayes/Outlook/Windows are you using?

=Tony Meyer


From delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Tue Nov 25 22:58:37 2003
From: delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Tue Nov 25 22:58:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train_on_filter
In-Reply-To: <20031125214922.GA7934@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAMEGAFPAA.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> as I understand it, train_on_filter automatically trains all messages
> filtered which are not classified as unsure. If I would put this option
> on, the ham/spam ratio of my database would steadily move toward the
> ham/spam ratio of all incoming e-mail, which is approximately 10. This
> ratio is far from optimal, of course. Is it possible to tell Spambayes
> to train on filter, but only if this will not lead to a ham/spam ratio
> larger than, e.g., 1.5 or smaller than 0.5?
>
> yours,
> Gerrit Holl.

I didn't know about this feature.  Is it available in the Outlook plug-in or
only the full version (for lack of a better name?

--
Seth Goodman

  Humans:   change "delete" to "sethg" to email me

  Spambots: disregard the above


From t681fiine at hotmail.it  Wed Nov 26 04:45:03 2003
From: t681fiine at hotmail.it (Beulah Hoover)
Date: Tue Nov 25 23:52:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Call 1-619-819-0201 & receive your diploma within days.
	ucfr lsg
Message-ID: <j$c4$$7s-i2j42@101gr>

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your present knowledge and life experience.

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.

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From lylesj002 at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Nov 25 23:17:36 2003
From: lylesj002 at hawaii.rr.com (Jerome Lyles)
Date: Wed Nov 26 01:17:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training Folders
Message-ID: <200311252016.27697.lylesj002@hawaii.rr.com>

I'm using Kmail as my pop3 client.  I've set up a local account with the name: 
spambayes-spam@localhost.  When I forward email to it I get this message:

Sending failed:
One of the recipients was not accepted.
The server responded: "<spambayes_spam2@localhost>: User unknown in local 
recipient table "
The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem 
(e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder.
Note: Other messages will also be blocked by this message, as long as it is in 
the 'outbox' folder
The following transport protocol was used:
Spambaye

Can you tell me how to make this work?
Thanks,
Jerome


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Nov 26 01:45:38 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Nov 26 01:44:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Training Folders
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130431555B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B19B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm using Kmail as my pop3 client.  I've set up a local 
> account with the name: 
> spambayes-spam@localhost.  When I forward email to it I get 
> this message:
> 
> Sending failed:
> One of the recipients was not accepted.
> The server responded: "<spambayes_spam2@localhost>:
[...]

What are you trying to do here?  If you're trying to use the SMTP proxy to
train, then you just need to forward messages to whatever addresses you have
set up (like spambayes_spam@localhost).  Note that neither of the addresses
above match the default, so that may be the problem.

=Tony Meyer


From morgan at mcode.co.za  Wed Nov 26 02:14:59 2003
From: morgan at mcode.co.za (Morgan Collett)
Date: Wed Nov 26 02:15:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py on linux - web interface not working
In-Reply-To: <Law11-OE42xVY60mJWE000036de@hotmail.com>
References: <Law11-OE42xVY60mJWE000036de@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FC452F3.7060001@mcode.co.za>

Kenny Pitt wrote:

>Morgan Collett wrote:
>  
>
>>The problem is that the web interface is not working. If I use Mozilla
>>to go to the URL (from a different box on my network) I get "Document
>>contains no data".
>>    
>>
>First, "localhost" is a standard name used to refer to the system that
>you are running on, so you can't use that name to connect from "a
>different box on the network".  You'll need to use the actual hostname
>of the box (e.g. "mygateway") or its IP address.
>  
>
Yes, I do use the IP address of the box. When I start sb_server.py on 
the linux box it reports its URL as localhost though.

>Second, SpamBayes by default prevents you from connecting to the Web
>interface from a remote system for security reasons.  You need to change
>a configuration setting to allow other systems to connect.  This is
>normally done from the Advanced Configuration page in the UI, but it
>sounds like you aren't able to get there even on the gateway box so
>you'll have to edit the config file manually.  Sorry I can't tell you
>precisely where to find it on Linux, but it will likely be in the same
>directory as your database ("/var/spambayes"?) and will probably have
>"bayescustomize" somewhere in the name.  You'll need to add the
>following lines in this file:
>
>[html_ui]
>allow_remote_connections:1.2.3.4
>  
>
Aah. This fixed it! I missed the config file somehow - options are 
"bayescustomize.ini" or ".spambayesrc" in the user's home directory or 
the current directory. I had to create one since I couldn't find a 
default one.

Thanks
Morgan


From TiagoTiago at Globo.com  Wed Nov 26 07:20:46 2003
From: TiagoTiago at Globo.com (Tiago Estill de Noronha)
Date: Wed Nov 26 07:19:15 2003
Subject: RES: [Spambayes] Call 1-619-819-0201 & receive your diploma within
	days.ucfr lsg
In-Reply-To: <j$c4$$7s-i2j42@101gr>
Message-ID: <001601c3b417$b88cf980$0860b7c8@virtua.com.br>

This is ironical, spam getting into a spamfilter program mail list ROFLMAO

 
 
*********************
Tiago Estill de Noronha
TiagoTiago@Globo.com


-=> -----Mensagem original-----
-=> De: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
-=> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] Em nome de Beulah Hoover
-=> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 26 de novembro de 2003 06:45
-=> Para: mailman-21@python.org; spambayes@python.org
-=> Assunto: [Spambayes] Call 1-619-819-0201 & receive your 
-=> diploma within days.ucfr lsg
-=> 
-=> 
-=> U N I V E R S I T Y   D I P L O M A ' S
-=> 
-=> Diplomas from prestigious non-accredited universities based on 
-=> your present knowledge and life experience.
-=> 
-=> Bachelors, masters, MBA, and doctorate (PhD) diplomas available 
-=> in the field of your choice.
-=> 
-=> Obtain a prosperous future, money earning power, and the 
-=> admiration of all.
-=> 
-=> No one is turned down.
-=> 
-=> Confidentiality assured.
-=> 
-=> No required tests, classes, books, or interviews.
-=> 
-=> CALL NOW to receive your diploma within days!!!
-=> 
-=> 1-425-669-4485
-=> 
-=> Call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, including Sundays and holidays -
-=> 
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-=> 
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-=> 
-=> 
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-=> u
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-=> -=> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambaye-=> s
-=> Check the 
-=> 
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From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 26 09:03:50 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Nov 26 09:04:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train_on_filter
In-Reply-To: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAMEGAFPAA.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>
Message-ID: <LAW11-OE23X5gZD585c0000438b@hotmail.com>

Seth Goodman wrote:
>> as I understand it, train_on_filter automatically trains all messages
>> filtered which are not classified as unsure. If I would put this
>> option on, the ham/spam ratio of my database would steadily move
>> toward the ham/spam ratio of all incoming e-mail, which is
>> approximately 10. This ratio is far from optimal, of course. Is it
>> possible to tell Spambayes to train on filter, but only if this will
>> not lead to a ham/spam ratio larger than, e.g., 1.5 or smaller than
>> 0.5? 
> 
> I didn't know about this feature.  Is it available in the Outlook
> plug-in or only the full version (for lack of a better name?

This is currently not supported in Outlook.  I'm working on a patch that
supports train_on_filter style training as well as automatic balancing.
Unfortunately I haven't had much time to put into it lately.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From TiagoTiago at Globo.com  Wed Nov 26 11:53:58 2003
From: TiagoTiago at Globo.com (Tiago Estill de Noronha)
Date: Wed Nov 26 11:52:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sorry
Message-ID: <000501c3b43d$e2c26020$0860b7c8@virtua.com.br>

someone has called my attetion to the fact that I commneted the ironical
spam without removing it may bother some of you  by repating it, I tought
people who don't like spam would not take it serious, and thus repeating it
wouldn't make any diference, but now I now some people think diferent so
again, sorry
 
 
 
*********************
Tiago Estill de Noronha
TiagoTiago@Globo.com
 

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 6/11/2003
 
From delete at GoodmanAssociates.com  Wed Nov 26 12:23:36 2003
From: delete at GoodmanAssociates.com (Seth Goodman)
Date: Wed Nov 26 12:23:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] train_on_filter
In-Reply-To: <LAW11-OE23X5gZD585c0000438b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAMEHFFPAA.delete@GoodmanAssociates.com>

> This is currently not supported in Outlook.  I'm working on a patch that
> supports train_on_filter style training as well as automatic balancing.
> Unfortunately I haven't had much time to put into it lately.
>
> --
> Kenny Pitt

That is exactly what I was thinking about.  My goal is to keep the false
negative rate down without constant fiddling with the database and periodic
retraining.  My present run is as follows: initial corpus 650 ham and 650
spam eight days ago, ham threshold = 5%, spam threshold = 90%, train on all
spam that scores less than 50% and occasionally add ham to rebalance.  I add
the spams with the lowest score first and reclassify after each spam
addition to simulate continuous training-on-errors and don't count a spam as
missed if it's score subsequently goes above 5%.  I now have 808 ham and 825
spam.  The false negative rate was initially 13% and has gone down to 2-4%.
During the eight days, the classifier missed 92 out of 1363 total spams.
There were no false positives.  The actual number missed was higher, but
this is what I would have seen with a "continuous train-if-below-threshold"
scheme.  I will stay with the present scheme for a while to see how it goes.

I have been thinking about how to keep the databases to a reasonable size
and balanced, so the classifier remains agile to new spam, without getting
overly complicated.  One idea is to separately store the token set for each
message, the timestamp when those tokens were added and the message ID.
When the database maximum message count was reached and we needed to train a
new message, we could first delete all the tokens from the oldest message in
the database.

Is there experience with this type of scheme vs. database keeps growing?

Is there experience on continuous training vs. train-on-error vs.
train-on-below-certain-score?


I am saving my complete message stream, at least for a while, in the hopes
that I can compare different strategies on the same data.  My guess is that
you folks have already done quite a lot of this.  Are there tools to take a
message corpus and run it through serially to simulate a message stream?

--
Seth Goodman

  Humans:   change "delete" to "sethg" to email me

  Spambots: disregard the above


From jdeasy at artel-usa.com  Wed Nov 26 13:45:52 2003
From: jdeasy at artel-usa.com (Jacqueline Deasy)
Date: Wed Nov 26 13:46:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Uninstall info
Message-ID: <000001c3b44d$871a11e0$3a0096c0@Kirby>

I am trying to uninstall SpamBayes. I execute the uninstall wizard, but
SpamBayes is still operating. How do I completely remove it?
 
Jacqueline Deasy
E-Mail Administrator
Artel, Inc.
From TaedN at vertical.com  Wed Nov 26 14:02:24 2003
From: TaedN at vertical.com (Taed Wynnell)
Date: Wed Nov 26 13:59:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Envelope Tray Icon
Message-ID: <ACAE0A7F2233D31197670090277A5152056B1789@exchange1.vertical.com>

> I created the following code to implement this in
> the Outlook plugin and attached it to a menu item for testing.  It was,
> in fact, successful in removing the new mail envelope from the taskbar.
> Now, the *really* tricky part is figuring out when to remove the icon.

I don't know how they do it, but Cloudmark SpamNet (which is a voting-system
filter -- email is treated as spam if other people who use SpamNet report it
as spam) does a pretty good job of doing the right thing.  Only maybe 1 in
200 times is it wrong.  I would guess that whenever it starts to process a
new email (or perhaps periodically), it first reads the current state of the
icon (no idea how to do that), then processes the mail, and then clears it
if necessary.  For example, when a spam arrives in my inbox, I do see the
icon come on, and then when SpamNet moves the spam out a few seconds later,
it turns it off.  Furthermore, when it's a non-spam, the icon remains on.
I've never seen a case where it is OFF when it should be ON, but I have seen
a bunch of cases (maybe 1 or 2 a week) where it is ON when it should be OFF.

By the way, I've been using SpamBayes and SpamNet together for the last
week, and have no false positives, no false negatives, and only a few
unsures to deal with.  For me, both product filter about 90% of the spam,
but luckily, the missing 10% in each do not seem to overlap.  The very tiny
spam emails that contain only a URL SpamNet seems to miss, but SpamBayes
gets them.  The long spams frequently turn up as Unsure by SpamBayes, but
SpamNet gets them fine.

I do this by having SpamNet make the first pass, and then SpamBayes is set
for a 10 second delay in background processing, so it gets to look at
anything that SpamNet missed.


From tlawson at cisco.com  Wed Nov 26 15:35:39 2003
From: tlawson at cisco.com (Todd Lawson)
Date: Wed Nov 26 15:35:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question about disk accesses.
Message-ID: <1510417411.20031126123539@cisco.com>

Hi all,

I have a question that is a bit deeper than anything I have seen on
the regular spambayes list, but I'll give it a shot.

I have been using SB for about 2 months now, and obviously it works
great. However, lately when I retrieve message, my system drops to a
crawl due to disk accesses.

I loaded up filemon (a disk access monitor utility) and logged the
activity when I go retrieve the latest messages from my mail server.
In the span of the 5 seconds it took to process my mail, there were
8000 disk access of the form at the bottom of this email.

so, my question is: Is this normal and my system is just slow on disk
accesses, or is this due to the size of my DBs, or ???

Here is break down on my system, version, config, etc.

Spambayes version 1.0a5.
Windows 2k.
PIII 700
IDE drives, 7.2k RPM, very large (100 gig+)
using the "pop3proxy.py -b" directly from a command line DOS box.
6500 spam, 4500 ham in DBs.

I stopped training, as I get almost 100% accurate results, and no
false positives.

Any help / advice would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Todd


1806    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 FSCTL_IS_VOLUME_MOUNTED I:\spam_backup_2        SUCCESS
1807    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CREATE   I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\       SUCCESS Options: Open Directory  Access: All    
1808    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_DIRECTORY_CONTROL        I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\       SUCCESS FileBothDirectoryInformation: 1068530533        
1809    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CLEANUP  I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\       SUCCESS         
1810    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CLOSE    I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\       SUCCESS         
1811    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 FSCTL_IS_VOLUME_MOUNTED I:\spam_backup_2        SUCCESS         
1812    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CREATE   I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\       SUCCESS Options: Open Directory  Access: All    
1813    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_DIRECTORY_CONTROL        I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\       SUCCESS FileBothDirectoryInformation: 1068830297-2      
1814    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CLEANUP  I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\       SUCCESS         
1815    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CLOSE    I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\       SUCCESS         
1816    10:20:31 AM     python.exe:2064 FSCTL_IS_VOLUME_MOUNTED I:\spam_backup_2        SUCCESS         


From hank at marinar.com  Wed Nov 26 16:54:29 2003
From: hank at marinar.com (hank@marinar.com)
Date: Wed Nov 26 16:54:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] notate_subject
In-Reply-To: <akl7svcclecdf1dipjb68325p5jin7de29@4ax.com>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C939@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29B6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<20031111224852.GE18670@hank.marinar.com>
	<akl7svcclecdf1dipjb68325p5jin7de29@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <20031126215429.GF4329@hank.marinar.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 10:35:26PM +0000, Richie Hindle wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago you and Tony posted patches to make sb_filter obey
> the notate_to and notate_subject options.  I've finally applied a modified
> version of them, that respects both of those options.  I've committed it
> to the head, so it may not be in the next bugfix release, but will be in
> the next feature release.

That's great to hear!

> I didn't do this, partly because none of the other header-modifying
> spambayes applications does it, and partly because it made the To /
> Subject very messy looking.  And I find that the scores get less
> interesting over time - they're fun to look at at first, and useful when
> debugging, but day to day I don't look at them.  YMMV.  8-)

I agree with you here.  The spam scores I am noticing are
usually '1.00', and while people understand the "spam" part, they have
a hard time understanding what this percentage really means.  I see
nothing valuable gained, and only used bandwidth.

> Hope its still going well?

The configuration is IMAP (courier) server-based (Exim router), and the
setup only takes a few minutes over the phone.  The people in the office
love it, and the best part is they can now keep it trained.  I'm done
running tests with domain-based filtering in addition to the user-based
and default filter, but not many corporate clients are using it yet.
In addition, I'm still awaiting feedback from several residential users
concerning their satisfaction.  My happiness may stem from ignorance of
others' perception, but I'm hoping my effort to curb the tide of spam
is both an effective and simple solution.  So, no major headaches (yet).

;)

Thanks for your time Richie.  Have a good one,
hank

From richie at entrian.com  Wed Nov 26 17:03:08 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Wed Nov 26 17:03:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question about disk accesses.
In-Reply-To: <1510417411.20031126123539@cisco.com>
References: <1510417411.20031126123539@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <nd8asv4moglp5c2pjan16k3tquqd3t5h8k@4ax.com>

Todd,

> I have been using SB for about 2 months now, and obviously it works
> great. However, lately when I retrieve message, my system drops to a
> crawl due to disk accesses.

It looks like the disk activity is all in your pop3proxy-unknown-cache -
how many files are there in there?  Does turning off message caching
(Configuration / Storage options / Cache messages: No) make the problem go
away?

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From hank at marinar.com  Wed Nov 26 17:32:31 2003
From: hank at marinar.com (hank@marinar.com)
Date: Wed Nov 26 17:32:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] subject newlines
Message-ID: <20031126223231.GH4329@hank.marinar.com>

I've experienced with 1.0a6 when a subject exceeds 68 characters:
sb_filter.py will automatically insert carriage returns to wrap the
Subject: header (maybe more as well).

I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but failed to find
documentation about it.  I would prefer that if such header
modification was done, it would only be performed by the MTA.

I have yet to test with 1.0a7, but didn't notice this fixed in the
changelog.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks!
|nank

From lou_witkin at hp.com  Wed Nov 26 18:33:20 2003
From: lou_witkin at hp.com (Witkin, Lou)
Date: Wed Nov 26 18:33:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem in dragging messages to a folder
Message-ID: <0C3EFB691636964BBF914AE56AE83A892B7B7E@hplex4.hpl.hp.com>

Hi I am using the SpamBayes Outloook addin, binary version 0.81 with Outlook 2002 on a Compaq tablet PC with Windows XP Professional for Tablet PC.
 
When I drag and drop messages from the Inbox into a folder, this works fine.  However, if I first do a "find" operation so that I see a subset of the messages, if I then try to drag and drop a message into a folder, I get the error message "Can't move the items."  I am able to work around the problem by right-clicking on the message, and then selecting the command "Move to Folder".
 
I have read the trouble-shooting guide and other SpamBayes documentation and can't figure out what I am doing wrong.  Thanks for any help that you can give me on this.
 
Sincerely,
Lou Witkin
 
From tlawson at cisco.com  Wed Nov 26 18:40:42 2003
From: tlawson at cisco.com (Todd Lawson)
Date: Wed Nov 26 18:40:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question about disk accesses.
In-Reply-To: <nd8asv4moglp5c2pjan16k3tquqd3t5h8k@4ax.com>
References: <1510417411.20031126123539@cisco.com>
	<nd8asv4moglp5c2pjan16k3tquqd3t5h8k@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <171521519905.20031126154042@cisco.com>

That fixed the problem. Since I am not training anymore, dropping the
cache is the right thing to do.

THanks!

Todd



Wednesday, November 26, 2003, 2:03:08 PM, you wrote:

RH> Todd,

>> I have been using SB for about 2 months now, and obviously it works
>> great. However, lately when I retrieve message, my system drops to a
>> crawl due to disk accesses.

RH> It looks like the disk activity is all in your pop3proxy-unknown-cache -
RH> how many files are there in there?  Does turning off message caching
RH> (Configuration / Storage options / Cache messages: No) make the problem go
RH> away?


From tim.one at comcast.net  Thu Nov 27 00:15:07 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Thu Nov 27 00:15:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sorry
In-Reply-To: <000501c3b43d$e2c26020$0860b7c8@virtua.com.br>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEJEHGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Tiago Estill de Noronha]
> someone has called my attetion to the fact that I commneted the
> ironical spam without removing it may bother some of you  by repating
> it, I tought people who don't like spam would not take it serious,
> and thus repeating it wouldn't make any diference, but now I now some
> people think diferent so again, sorry

It's very gracious of you to apologize, but if it escalates to a fight to
the death, rest assured that I enjoyed your original message.  Since I
administer this mailing list, my opinion counts in this matter <wink>.

spammer-keep-us-in-business-ly y'rs  - tim


From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com  Thu Nov 27 00:27:29 2003
From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Thu Nov 27 00:27:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sorry
In-Reply-To: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEJEHGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
References: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEJEHGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <opry96r3npit6vze@mail.fourstonesExpressions.com>

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:15:07 -0500, Tim Peters <tim.one@comcast.net> wrote:

> [Tiago Estill de Noronha]
>> someone has called my attetion to the fact that I commneted the
>> ironical spam without removing it may bother some of you  by repating
>> it, I tought people who don't like spam would not take it serious,
>> and thus repeating it wouldn't make any diference, but now I now some
>> people think diferent so again, sorry
>
> It's very gracious of you to apologize, but if it escalates to a fight to
> the death, rest assured that I enjoyed your original message.  Since I
> administer this mailing list, my opinion counts in this matter <wink>.

I used to think it was funny that spam showed up on this list, but after a 
while didn't show up in my inbox anymore, so I forgot about it <wink**2>

-- 

Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself!
Tim Stone
See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com
See my writing at www.xanga.com/obj3kshun

From atom at suspicious.org  Thu Nov 27 03:35:10 2003
From: atom at suspicious.org (Atom 'Smasher')
Date: Thu Nov 27 03:35:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mailsort.py
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311251508420.47740@research.suspicious.org>
References: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<3dm7svku2qdl9smqbtehdqstmnp3nk6vqk@4ax.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311251508420.47740@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311270013160.31320@research.suspicious.org>

ok, no answers to my previous post, of similar subject... here's more....

using 'sb_mailsort.py' in a .qmail-file seems cool, and after figuring out
that it was to be trained independently of sb_filter the tests i've run
with it look good.

i don't (yet) know coding in python, so i'm asking:

1) will the script return a non-zero exit status if it fails for *ANY*
reason? this is important, since a .qmail-file will recognize that as an
unsuccessful delivery attempt.

2) is the SPAM_CUTTOFF hard-coded at 0.57??? (like i said, i don't know
code in python.) is there a way to only assign a value to a variable [in
python] if a user-specified value is not defined?

3) how well is this (and similar) scripts protected against attacks where
a malicious email can cause commands to be executed with the permissions
of the recipient?


 	...atom

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From richie at entrian.com  Thu Nov 27 03:39:15 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Thu Nov 27 03:39:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question about disk accesses.
In-Reply-To: <171521519905.20031126154042@cisco.com>
References: <1510417411.20031126123539@cisco.com>
	<nd8asv4moglp5c2pjan16k3tquqd3t5h8k@4ax.com>
	<171521519905.20031126154042@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <5vdbsvsr7j1n9p6a3scik67laisg1bp2hp@4ax.com>

Todd,

> That fixed the problem. Since I am not training anymore, dropping the
> cache is the right thing to do.

Out of interest, how many files were in the cache?  What there anything
unusual about that directory?  Caching of messages shouldn't slow your
machine down to any noticable extent.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From roymorley at eventlogistics.demon.co.uk  Thu Nov 27 10:09:05 2003
From: roymorley at eventlogistics.demon.co.uk (Roy Morley)
Date: Thu Nov 27 10:07:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes Thanks!
Message-ID: <BNEJJLAOMJHIJHHHKHCPOECPCNAA.roymorley@eventlogistics.demon.co.uk>

I have downloaded your anti Spam software for Outlook (ME) & its fantastic
its learnt what's crap very quickly & it all fires straight into the bin
with no hassle whatsoever. Installation was a breeze! I've sent a donation,
keep up the good work! I work for myself & my Spam problem has been getting
worse month by month & have been wasting valuable time deleting it all only
for it to re-appear with monotonous regularity.....

Roy Morley
Site & Event Logistics Ltd
57 Ealing Park Mansions
South Ealing Road
Ealing
W5 4QH
Phone 0208 566 3142
Fax 0208 579 7584
Mobile 07850 726735
www.eventlogistics.demon.co.uk



From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Thu Nov 27 12:17:19 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Thu Nov 27 12:17:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: [OT] Spambays question
In-Reply-To: <bq4hsh$3dm$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>
References: <bq4hsh$3dm$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <20031127171719.GA4103@nl.linux.org>

Rony wrote:
> From: Rony <bucodi@ahoo.fr>
> Subject: [OT] Spambays question

> This is a litle bit out of topic, but i suppose that a lot of python
> users, use the spanbays spam filter.

I suppose you'd better ask this question at the Spambayes mailing list.
It is at spambayes@python.org.

> I must admit it works great, after a month testing with it, it made no
> errors and catch 100% of spam.
> The only (litle) problem I see is that it puts all spam in a spam
> folder. I think, that now i'm confident with it, it would be great if
> you could simple delete automaticly the spam without putting it in a
> spam folder.
> 
> Perhaps somebody managed to do that ?

Are you using the Outlook plugin?

Gerrit.

-- 
225. If he perform a serious operation on an ass or ox, and kill it, he
shall pay the owner one-fourth of its value.
          -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law
-- 
Asperger's Syndrome - a personal approach:
	http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/english/

From TiagoTiago at Globo.com  Thu Nov 27 14:21:05 2003
From: TiagoTiago at Globo.com (Tiago Estill de Noronha)
Date: Thu Nov 27 14:19:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] n-way in outlook?
Message-ID: <000101c3b51b$9bfe8900$0860b7c8@virtua.com.br>

have some1 made a n-way classification code for using with the outlook
plugin?
or does the nway code on the contrib folder works on outlook? if so, how do
I make it run and classifie the emails?
 
 
 
*********************
Tiago Estill de Noronha
TiagoTiago@Globo.com
 

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 6/11/2003
 
From geelan at ozemail.com.au  Thu Nov 27 18:56:57 2003
From: geelan at ozemail.com.au (Scott R M Geelan)
Date: Thu Nov 27 23:19:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Outlook 2000 - Suggested Improvements
Message-ID: <000101c3b542$24be8300$b301a8c0@IBMPC2>

Hi all,

GREAT PACKAGE!

I've been using it for a few days now and it works a treat!

>From my point of view, user utility could be enhanced by:

1. allowing selected mails in the Spambayes Junk E-Mail folder to be
permanently deleted, direct from there, instead of going to Outlook's
Deleted Items folder, and then having to permanently delete them from there.

2. Allowing Spambayes to "permanently delete" messages it detects as spam
directly from the inbox, (similar to the Outlook Rules option) once the user
has determined that his/her spam filter has been appropriately trained.

Look forward to further enhancements to the package.

Thank you


                  Scott R Geelan (B.App.Sc)
                  Chief Executive Officer
                  AJ Parkes & Company Pty Ltd
                        Ph: +61 7 3277 2111 Fax: +61 7 3277 9258
                  Email: sgeelan@ajparkes.com.au
                  Website: www.ajparkes.com.au
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From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov 28 00:27:50 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov 28 00:27:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes for Outlook 2000 - Suggested Improvements
In-Reply-To: <000101c3b542$24be8300$b301a8c0@IBMPC2>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCCEOCHGAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[Scott R Geelan]
> GREAT PACKAGE!
>
> I've been using it for a few days now and it works a treat!

Glad you like it!

>> From my point of view, user utility could be enhanced by:
>
> 1. allowing selected mails in the Spambayes Junk E-Mail folder to be
> permanently deleted, direct from there, instead of going to Outlook's
> Deleted Items folder, and then having to permanently delete them from
> there.

After you've selected the emails you want to get rid of, hold down a shift
key while hitting your delete key.  Outlook will delete the items directly
then, bypassing Deleted Items.  Note that if you do this by mistake, tough
luck, it can't be undone.

> 2. Allowing Spambayes to "permanently delete" messages it detects as
> spam directly from the inbox, (similar to the Outlook Rules option)
> once the user has determined that his/her spam filter has been
> appropriately trained.

I doubt this will ever be added -- deleting email is dangerous, and there's
no way to recover from a mistake.  That's why Windows grew gimmicks like the
Recycle Bin and Deleted Items, and also grew gimmicks like "shift + delete
means skip the safety net" (which works too in Explorer for deleting files
without going thru the Recycle Bin first).  It's also why SpamBayes never
deletes email:  it makes statistical guesses.  They're good guesses,
but not infallible.

Note that you can tell Outlook to, e.g., delete the content of your Spam
folder once per day (or week, or ...) automatically, if you're comfortable
with never reviewing the messages in it.  Sooner or later you *will* throw
away a message you wanted, so I don't recommend it.  You certainly shouldn't
risk it after using the system for just a few days.


From t-meyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Nov 28 00:53:48 2003
From: t-meyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri Nov 28 00:54:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [OT] Spambays question
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13043158BD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B1A7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> This is a litle bit out of topic, but i suppose that a lot of 
> python users, use the spanbays spam filter.

As well as the spambayes mailing list already mentioned, you might want to
try the spambayes website <http://spambayes.org>, FAQ
<http://spambayes.org/faq.html>, and wiki <http://entrian.com/sbwiki>.

> I must admit it works great, after a month testing with it, 
> it made no errors and catch 100% of spam. The only (litle) 
> problem I see is that it puts all spam in a spam folder. I 
> think, that now i'm confident with it, it would be great if 
> you could simple delete automaticly the spam without putting 
> it in a spam folder.
> 
> Perhaps somebody managed to do that ?

FAQ 3.9 has your answer:

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-configure-spambayes-to-
delete-spam-rather-than-moving-it>.

(This assumes you are using the Outlook plug-in - if not, then just alter
whatever rule you created in your mail client).

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Fri Nov 28 01:02:23 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Fri Nov 28 01:02:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Bayes Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130431595A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B1A9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I have downloaded your anti Spam software for Outlook (ME) & 
> its fantastic its learnt what's crap very quickly & it all 
> fires straight into the bin with no hassle whatsoever. 
> Installation was a breeze! I've sent a donation, keep up the 
> good work!

Thanks for the kind words (and the donation) - we really appreciate it, and
it's great to hear from people for whom it's all going well!

=Tony Meyer


From mikes at xtras.com  Fri Nov 28 01:06:15 2003
From: mikes at xtras.com (Mike Schinkel)
Date: Fri Nov 28 01:06:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D366453236@xmail.xtras.com>

I posted almost a week ago that SpamBayes is crashing Outlook 2003 but
got zero response.
Help!  I'm so dependent on SpamBayes now, but every time I click the
"Delete as spam" button it crashes Outlook 2003?

I've heard others are not having trouble. How can I diagnose the
problem?
TIA.

-Mike 

From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Fri Nov 28 01:13:58 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Fri Nov 28 01:14:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
In-Reply-To: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D366453236@xmail.xtras.com>
References: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D366453236@xmail.xtras.com>
Message-ID: <3FC6E7A6.1010107@rbwconsulting.com>

Read the troubleshooting guide (links are on the website and it the 
plugin itself). Look at the logs. Post the log to list (or better open a 
bug report on sourceforge and attach them there). Include lots of 
infomation, ie plugin version and os version. You also update your os 
from windowsupdate and update office from the office website.

Mike Schinkel wrote:

>I posted almost a week ago that SpamBayes is crashing Outlook 2003 but
>got zero response.
>Help!  I'm so dependent on SpamBayes now, but every time I click the
>"Delete as spam" button it crashes Outlook 2003?
>
>I've heard others are not having trouble. How can I diagnose the
>problem?
>TIA.
>
>-Mike 
>  
>

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From mikes at xtras.com  Fri Nov 28 01:16:15 2003
From: mikes at xtras.com (Mike Schinkel)
Date: Fri Nov 28 01:16:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D36645323A@xmail.xtras.com>

Thanks.  Done all that, except the logs.  Where can I find them? 

TIA.

>> Include lots of infomation, ie plugin version and os version.

FYI, I did on my previous email. :)   SB 0.81 and Win XP.

-Mike 


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Walker [mailto:adam.walker@rbwconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 1:14 AM
To: Mike Schinkel
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003

Read the troubleshooting guide (links are on the website and it the
plugin itself). Look at the logs. Post the log to list (or better open a
bug report on sourceforge and attach them there). Include lots of
infomation, ie plugin version and os version. You also update your os
from windowsupdate and update office from the office website.

Mike Schinkel wrote:

>I posted almost a week ago that SpamBayes is crashing Outlook 2003 but 
>got zero response.
>Help!  I'm so dependent on SpamBayes now, but every time I click the 
>"Delete as spam" button it crashes Outlook 2003?
>
>I've heard others are not having trouble. How can I diagnose the 
>problem?
>TIA.
>
>-Mike
>  
>



From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Fri Nov 28 04:31:41 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Fri Nov 28 04:32:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
In-Reply-To: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D36645323A@xmail.xtras.com>
References: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D36645323A@xmail.xtras.com>
Message-ID: <3FC715FD.1060908@rbwconsulting.com>

Info on finding the log is in the troobleshooting file 
(http://tinyurl.com/wv47).

Mike Schinkel wrote:

>Thanks.  Done all that, except the logs.  Where can I find them? 
>
>TIA.
>
>  
>
>>>Include lots of infomation, ie plugin version and os version.
>>>      
>>>
>
>FYI, I did on my previous email. :)   SB 0.81 and Win XP.
>
>  
>
Sorry, Must have missed it.


From takeyasu at avis.ne.jp  Fri Nov 28 08:09:37 2003
From: takeyasu at avis.ne.jp (Takeyasu Sasagawa)
Date: Fri Nov 28 08:09:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Autostart on Mac OS X
Message-ID: <20031128220937377074.GyazMail.takeyasu@avis.ne.jp>

 Hi, All.

 I am using Mac OS X 10.3. How is what is necessary just to carry out 
spambayes for making it start automatically?

 Thanks.

--
Takeyasu Sasagawa
http://www.tsproduction.net/
****************************

From superpower at gmx.net  Fri Nov 28 10:09:42 2003
From: superpower at gmx.net (Karl Schmid)
Date: Fri Nov 28 10:09:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes reinstall
Message-ID: <001201c3b5c1$a7243770$8401a8c0@petersdesktop>

Dear Sir!
 
I had version 007 on. Then I put in some defective RAM. It destroyed a
lot of programs including SpamBayes.
 
I reinstalled it but it didn't help.
 
Then I removed it over the setup and deleted the rest keys in the
registry with "SpamBayes" in it. Then I removed the toolbar from
Outlook.
 
After that I installed 008. The installation showed no errors or
warnings but there is no SpamBayes-Toolbar in Outlook anymore.
 
Can you help me?
 
Yours,
Karl Schmid
From william.devos at telindus.be  Fri Nov 28 10:28:39 2003
From: william.devos at telindus.be (William Devos)
Date: Fri Nov 28 10:29:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to remove
Message-ID: <B4FEE2455E8C834585EDE655664A84B50EF59F@TBE1MX3.haasrode.telindus.be>

 

Hi,

 

i'm still using this program, but not long enough to give any feedback. 

But I'm afraid if something goes wrong, that I can't remove on the correct
way.

This because I'm using the program on my professional emails !

 

So can someone give me the best and correct way to remove Spambayes.

 

 

thanks in advance

William

 

From mikes at xtras.com  Fri Nov 28 11:11:15 2003
From: mikes at xtras.com (Mike Schinkel)
Date: Fri Nov 28 11:14:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D366453241@xmail.xtras.com>

Thanks.  Attached are the logs.

My configuration is a new Dell with 512k RAM, Windows XP, Outlook 2003,
and SpamBayes 0.81.  I also have Outlook 2000 installed and SpamBayes
still works fine with it (and before you assume, no I'm not running them
at the same time; you can't run both at the same time.)

As for the problem, every time I click the "Delete as Spam" button (or
even the "SpamBayes" button), Outlook "thinks" for a second and then
crashes with the following dialog:

	Microsoft Office Outlook has encountered a problem and needs to
close.
	We are sorry for the inconvenience.
	[Send Error Report] [Don't Send] 

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

-Mike Schinkel
President; Xtras.Net 
Your Resource for Quality .NET Tools 
http://www.xtras.net
mailto:mikes@xtras.net
404-591-5701 (V)
404-591-5731 (F)


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Walker [mailto:adam.walker@rbwconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 4:32 AM
To: Mike Schinkel
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003

Info on finding the log is in the troobleshooting file
(http://tinyurl.com/wv47).

Mike Schinkel wrote:

>Thanks.  Done all that, except the logs.  Where can I find them? 
>
>TIA.
>
>  
>
>>>Include lots of infomation, ie plugin version and os version.
>>>      
>>>
>
>FYI, I did on my previous email. :)   SB 0.81 and Win XP.
>
>  
>
Sorry, Must have missed it.


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From tony-bayes at lownds.com  Fri Nov 28 11:47:56 2003
From: tony-bayes at lownds.com (Tony Lownds)
Date: Fri Nov 28 11:50:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
Message-ID: <a06001a11bbed2b682246@[69.23.240.189]>

Hi,

When I classify through sb_imapfilter.py, I am getting an 
AssertionError. Any ideas? I am using spambayes from CVS; courier 
IMAP; python 2.2.2; and a fresh database. See below for commands.

Thanks
-Tony

[tony ~]$ rm hammie.db spambayes.messageinfo.db
[tony ~]$ /usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -t
SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Loading state from hammie.db database
hammie.db is a new database
Loading database hammie.db... Done.
Training
    Training ham folder INBOX.Ham
**************       14 trained.
    Training spam folder INBOX.Spam
********************************************       44 trained.
Persisting hammie.db state in database
Training took 2.87554502487 seconds, 58 messages were trained
[tony ~]$ /usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -c
SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).

Loading state from hammie.db database
hammie.db is an existing database, with 44 spam and 10 ham
Loading database hammie.db... Done.
Classifying 
*.Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 821, in ?
     run()
   File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 811, in run
     imap_filter.Filter()
   File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 676, in Filter
     self.unsure_folder)
   File "/usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py", line 595, in Filter
     evidence=True)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", 
line 158, in chi2_spamprob
     clues = self._getclues(wordstream)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", 
line 395, in _getclues
     prob = self.probability(record)
   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", 
line 242, in probability
     assert hamcount <= nham
AssertionError

From melkeith at adelphia.net  Fri Nov 28 12:49:14 2003
From: melkeith at adelphia.net (melissa)
Date: Fri Nov 28 12:49:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plug in - Uninstall Question
Message-ID: <000001c3b5d7$f08eeac0$0200a8c0@DESKTOPONE>

I am Interested in installing the software to give it a try.  But would like
information on how I can uninstall before I go ahead.  Will Windows XP
"uninstall" remove the software and its components?

From TiagoTiago at Globo.com  Fri Nov 28 16:14:59 2003
From: TiagoTiago at Globo.com (Tiago Estill de Noronha)
Date: Fri Nov 28 16:13:26 2003
Subject: RES: [Spambayes] SpamBayes reinstall
In-Reply-To: <001201c3b5c1$a7243770$8401a8c0@petersdesktop>
Message-ID: <001801c3b5f4$af18ed80$0860b7c8@virtua.com.br>


Did you tryed to right click na empty space on the outlook tollbar, and see
if  the spam bayes toolbar is still unchecked from your previous uninstall?
 
 
*********************
Tiago Estill de Noronha
TiagoTiago@Globo.com


-=> -----Mensagem original-----
-=> De: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
-=> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] Em nome de Karl Schmid
-=> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 28 de novembro de 2003 12:10
-=> Para: spambayes@python.org
-=> Assunto: [Spambayes] SpamBayes reinstall
-=> 
-=> 
-=> Dear Sir!
-=>  
-=> I had version 007 on. Then I put in some defective RAM. It 
-=> destroyed a lot of programs including SpamBayes.
-=>  
-=> I reinstalled it but it didn't help.
-=>  
-=> Then I removed it over the setup and deleted the rest keys 
-=> in the registry with "SpamBayes" in it. Then I removed the 
-=> toolbar from Outlook.
-=>  
-=> After that I installed 008. The installation showed no 
-=> errors or warnings but there is no SpamBayes-Toolbar in 
-=> Outlook anymore.
-=>  
-=> Can you help me?
-=>  
-=> Yours,
-=> Karl Schmid
-=> _______________________________________________
-=> Spambayes@python.org 
-=> -=> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambaye-=> s
-=> Check the 
-=> 
-=> FAQ before asking: 
-=> http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
-=> 
-=> ---
-=> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
-=> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
-=> Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003
-=>  
-=> 

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 27/11/2003
 


From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Fri Nov 28 17:09:15 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Fri Nov 28 17:09:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
In-Reply-To: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D366453241@xmail.xtras.com>
References: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D366453241@xmail.xtras.com>
Message-ID: <3FC7C78B.8020202@rbwconsulting.com>

Looks like you need to configure the spam and unsure folders under 
outlook 2003. The plugin is probably sharing configs between to the two 
outlook versions but the either the folder doesn't exist under outlook 
2003 or unique id is different.

Mike Schinkel wrote:

>Thanks.  Attached are the logs.
>
>My configuration is a new Dell with 512k RAM, Windows XP, Outlook 2003,
>and SpamBayes 0.81.  I also have Outlook 2000 installed and SpamBayes
>still works fine with it (and before you assume, no I'm not running them
>at the same time; you can't run both at the same time.)
>
>As for the problem, every time I click the "Delete as Spam" button (or
>even the "SpamBayes" button), Outlook "thinks" for a second and then
>crashes with the following dialog:
>
>	Microsoft Office Outlook has encountered a problem and needs to
>close.
>	We are sorry for the inconvenience.
>	[Send Error Report] [Don't Send] 
>
>Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
>
>  
>



From mikes at xtras.com  Fri Nov 28 17:11:49 2003
From: mikes at xtras.com (Mike Schinkel)
Date: Fri Nov 28 17:12:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D36645325B@xmail.xtras.com>

Thanks for the reply.

Strange, because my spam folders are in my Exchange inbox, so they have
to exist in both places.
However, I can't configure them because ever time I try to run the
SpamBayes configuration Outlook crashes.
What now?


-Mike 


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Walker [mailto:adam.walker@rbwconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:09 PM
To: Mike Schinkel
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003

Looks like you need to configure the spam and unsure folders under
outlook 2003. The plugin is probably sharing configs between to the two
outlook versions but the either the folder doesn't exist under outlook
2003 or unique id is different.

Mike Schinkel wrote:

>Thanks.  Attached are the logs.
>
>My configuration is a new Dell with 512k RAM, Windows XP, Outlook 2003,

>and SpamBayes 0.81.  I also have Outlook 2000 installed and SpamBayes 
>still works fine with it (and before you assume, no I'm not running 
>them at the same time; you can't run both at the same time.)
>
>As for the problem, every time I click the "Delete as Spam" button (or 
>even the "SpamBayes" button), Outlook "thinks" for a second and then 
>crashes with the following dialog:
>
>	Microsoft Office Outlook has encountered a problem and needs to
close.
>	We are sorry for the inconvenience.
>	[Send Error Report] [Don't Send]
>
>Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
>
>  
>




From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Fri Nov 28 17:22:03 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Fri Nov 28 17:22:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
In-Reply-To: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D36645325B@xmail.xtras.com>
References: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D36645325B@xmail.xtras.com>
Message-ID: <3FC7CA8B.40600@rbwconsulting.com>

Shutdown outlook. Rename the ini file.  Restart outlook. The config 
wizard should popup ... or outlook will crash.
The ini is in \Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\SpamBayes

Mike Schinkel wrote:

>Thanks for the reply.
>
>Strange, because my spam folders are in my Exchange inbox, so they have
>to exist in both places.
>However, I can't configure them because ever time I try to run the
>SpamBayes configuration Outlook crashes.
>What now?
>
>
>-Mike 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adam Walker [mailto:adam.walker@rbwconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:09 PM
>To: Mike Schinkel
>Cc: spambayes@python.org
>Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
>
>Looks like you need to configure the spam and unsure folders under
>outlook 2003. The plugin is probably sharing configs between to the two
>outlook versions but the either the folder doesn't exist under outlook
>2003 or unique id is different.
>
>Mike Schinkel wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Thanks.  Attached are the logs.
>>
>>My configuration is a new Dell with 512k RAM, Windows XP, Outlook 2003,
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>and SpamBayes 0.81.  I also have Outlook 2000 installed and SpamBayes 
>>still works fine with it (and before you assume, no I'm not running 
>>them at the same time; you can't run both at the same time.)
>>
>>As for the problem, every time I click the "Delete as Spam" button (or 
>>even the "SpamBayes" button), Outlook "thinks" for a second and then 
>>crashes with the following dialog:
>>
>>	Microsoft Office Outlook has encountered a problem and needs to
>>    
>>
>close.
>  
>
>>	We are sorry for the inconvenience.
>>	[Send Error Report] [Don't Send]
>>
>>Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>
>  
>



From vickaul at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 28 05:37:24 2003
From: vickaul at yahoo.com (Vic Kaul)
Date: Fri Nov 28 17:46:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] A SPAM Message with a 0% Score
Message-ID: <004f01c3b59b$9c50df90$250110ac@hp>

How does one explain the attached email being scored 0% (0) by Spambayes.

Why did my Spambayes filter not catch it?

-vs


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry [mailto:jclpqp@nbc.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 2:07 AM
Subject: NEWS REPORT YNSMWINLRV


NEWS REPORT-
PARENTS OF 15 - YEAR OLD - FIND $71,000 CASH HIDDEN IN   HIS CLOSET! 

Does this headline look familiar? Of course it does. You most likely have
just seen this story recently featured on a major nightly news program
(USA), and reported elsewhere in the world. His mother was 
cleaning and putting laundry away when she came across a large brown paper
bag that was suspiciously 
buried beneath some clothes and a skateboard in the back of her 15-year-old
sons closet. Nothing could 
have prepared her for the shock she got when she opened the bag and found it
was full of cash. 
Five-dollar bills, twenties, fifties and hundreds - all neatly rubber-banded
in labeled piles. 

My first thought was that he had robbed a bank, says the 41-year-old woman,
There was over $71,000 
dollars in that bag - that's more than my husband earns in a year. The woman
immediately called her 
husband at the car-dealership where he worked to tell him what she had
discovered. He came home 
right away and they drove together to the boy's school and picked him up.
Little did they suspect that where the money came from was more shocking
than actually finding it in the closet? 

As it turns out, the boy had been sending out, via E-mail, a type of Report
to E-mail addresses that he 
obtained off the Internet. Everyday after school for the past 2 months, he
had been doing this right on 
his computer in his bedroom. 

I just got the E-mail one day and I figured what the heck, I put my name on
it like the instructions said 
and I started sending it out", says the clever 15-year-old. The E-mail
letter listed 5 addresses and 
contained instructions to send one $5 dollar bill to each person on the
list, then delete the address 
at the top and move the others addresses Down, and finally to add your name
to the top of the list. 

The letter goes on to state that you would receive several thousand dollars
in five-dollar bills within 
2 weeks if you sent out the letter with your name at the top of the
5-address list. I get junk E-mail all 
the time, and really did not think it was going to work, the boy continues. 

Within the first few days of sending out the E-mail, the Post Office Box
that his parents had gotten him 
for his video-game magazine subscriptions began to fill up with not
magazines, but envelopes containing 
$5 bills. About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post office and my
box had 1 magazine and 
about 300 envelops stuffed in it. There was also a yellow slip that said I
had to go up to the [post office] 
counter.  I thought I was in trouble or something (laughs). He goes on, I
went up to the counter and they 
had a whole box of more mail for me. I had to ride back home and empty out
my backpack because I 
could not carry it all.

Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out the E-mail The money
just kept coming in and 
I just kept sorting it and stashing it in the closet, barely had time for my
homework. He had also been 
riding his bike to several of the banks in his area and exchanging the $5
bills for twenties, fifties and 
hundreds. 

I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I kept riding to different
banks with like five thousand at a 
time in my backpack. I would usually tell the lady at the bank counter that
my dad had sent me in to 
exchange the money and he was outside waiting for me. One time the lady gave
me a really strange 
look and told me that she would not be able to do it for me and my dad would
have to come in and 
do it, but I just rode to the next bank down the street (laughs).
 
Surprisingly, the boy did not have any reason to be afraid. The reporting
news team examined and 
investigated the so-called chain-letter the boy was sending out and found
that it was not a chain-letter 
at all. In fact, it was completely legal according to US Postal and Lottery
Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 
and 1341, or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the code of
federal regulations, Volume 16, 
Sections 255 and 436, which state a product or service must be exchanged for
money received. 

Every five-dollar bill that he received contained a little note that read,
Please send me report number XYZ. This simple note made the letter legal
because he was exchanging a service (A Report on how-to) for a 
five-dollar fee. [This is the end of the media release. If you would like to
understand how the system 
works and get your $71,000 - please continue reading.  What appears below is
what the 15 year old 
was sending out on the net - YOU CAN USE IT TOO - just follow the simple
instructions].

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
BE FINANCIALLY FREE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say, BULL,
please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on
the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the 
Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to
the investigation of this 
program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show
also investigated whether or 
not the program was legal.  Their findings proved once and for all that
there are absolutely NO Laws 
prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can follow the
simple instructions, they are 
bound to make some megabucks with only $25 out of pocket cost. 

DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS
ATTAINED, IT 
IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. 

Note* follow the directions below, I had best results the second time when I
hired a bulk email service in 
addition to following the reports instructions.
In order for all of us to be successful, many, many emails must be sent so
that the returns are many. I have 
been extremely successful using the following company. They send out the
offers, and all I do is accept 
money for reports, then I send back to the people as soon as possible. 

This is what one had to say: Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was
approached many times before 
but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what
one could expect in return for 
the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total
$610,470.00 in 21 weeks, 
with money still coming in. 
Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Here is another testimonial: This program has been around for a long time
but I never believed in it. 
But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my
$25 on it. I followed the 
simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come
in. First month I only made 
$240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So
far, in the past 8 months by 
re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it
again. The key to success in 
this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything. 
More testimonials later but first, 

PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE 

Order all 5 reports shown on the list below For each report, send $5 CASH,
THE NAME & NUMBER OF 
THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name
appears 
ON THAT LIST next to the report. 

MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of

any mail problems. When you place your order, make sure you order each of
the 5 reports. 
You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer.
Within a few days you will 
receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different
individuals. 
Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the
1,000's of people who 
will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on
your desk in case something 
happens to your computer. 

IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each
report, or their sequence 
on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step 1
through 6 or you will loose out on 
majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will
also see how it does not work 
if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter,
it will NOT work!!! People have 
tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could
get all the money. But it does not 
work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing
happened. So Do Not try to 
change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will
not work for you. 
Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 

1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and
REMOVE the name & address of 
       the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle
and is no doubt counting 
       their fortune. 
2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT #5. 
3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT #4. 
4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT #3. 5.... Move
the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT #2 
6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. 

PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 


**** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it
on your computer. DO NOT MAKE 
ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you lose any
data. To assist you with 
marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will
provide you with invaluable 
marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where
to find thousands of free 
classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this
venture going: 

METHOD #1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 


Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we
will assume You and those involved 
send out only 5,000e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive
only a 0.2% response (the 
response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many
people will send out hundreds 
of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this
example, you send out only 
5,000 e-mails. 

With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1.  Those 10
people responded by sending 
out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails
only 0.2% responded with 
orders. That equals 100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. 
Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails.
The 0.2% response to that is 
1000 orders for Report #3. 
Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million
e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response 
to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4. 
Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000
(50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report
#5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). 
Your total income in this example is: 
1..... $50 +
2..... $500 + 
3..... $5,000 + 
4..... $50,000 + 
5..... $500,000........Grand Total=$555,550.00 

NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE 
RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF
MONEY! 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING 
OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if
everyone or half or e ven one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each
or more? There are over 150 million people on 
the Internet worldwide and counting.  Believe me, many people will do just
that, and more! 

METHOD #2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of
FREE places to advertise. 
Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response.


We strongly suggest you start with Method #1 and add METHOD #2 as you go
along. For every $5 you 
receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it.
Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the
e-mail they send out with your name and address on it, will be 
prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. 

================AVAILABLE REPORTS ================= 
ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. 
Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. 
Checks NOT accepted. 
Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of
paper. 
On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report
you are ordering, 
YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. 




PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 

REPORT #1: The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net 
Order Report #1 from: 
J. Davis
16487 Lariat Road Apt. B
Victorville, California  92392
__________________________________________________________ 


REPORT #2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net 
Order Report #2 from: 
C.Smith
PO Box 25
Bexley
NSW 2207
AUSTRALIA

 ________________________________________________________ 

REPORT #3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the Net 
Order Report #3 from: 
S.  Calhoun
P.O. Box 20051
Barrie, ON Canada
L4M 6E9

__________________________________________________________ 

REPORT #4: How to become a millionaire utilizing MLM & the Net 
Order Report #4 from: 
L. Jespersen
24 Valleyview Cres
Bradford, ON Canada
L3Z1S7
 
______________________________________________________ 

REPORT #5: How to send out 0ne Million emails for free 
Order Report #5 From: 
C. Abee
113 Ervin Ave. NE
Valdese, NC 28690

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 
Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: 
If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks,
continue sending e-mails until you 
do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you
should receive 100 orders or more 
for REPORT #2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until
you do. 
Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report #2, YOU CAN RELAX,
because the system is 
already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS
IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every  time your name is moved down on the list, you
are placed in front of a Different report.  You can KEEP 
TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from
you. IF YOU WANT TO 
GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE
PROCESS 
AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this
business!!! 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just
received 
information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life,
with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the
next few weeks and months than you have ever 
imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any
way.  It works 
exceedingly well as it is now. 
Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your
name and address in Report#1 
and moved others to #2 thru #5 as instructed above. One of the people you
send this to may send out 
100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember
though, the more you 
send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have
given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become
financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! 

=================== MORE TESTIMONIALS============= 
My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant
with a major U.S. 
Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I
grumbled to Jody about 
receiving junk mail. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of
the population and 
percentages involved. I knew it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my
supposed intelligence and 
few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her,
and was ready to lay the old 
I told you so on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me!
Within 3 weeks she had 
received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $
147,200.00....all cash! I 
was shocked.  I have joined Jody in her hobby. 
Mitchell Wolf, Chicago, Illinois 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to
participate in this plan. 
But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so
little that there was just no way 
that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back.  I was
surprised when I found my 
medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the
first 12 weeks. The nice 
thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There
simply isn't a better investment 
with a faster return and so big. 
Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I
should have given it a try. 
Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to
wait until I was e-mailed 
again by someone else......11 months passed then it luckily came again......
I did not delete this one! 
I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22
weeks. 
Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
 
DSPYIJOLFPBUOIGWDCQHPZQLUYMONGYSYXBHZV



From mikes at xtras.com  Fri Nov 28 18:14:53 2003
From: mikes at xtras.com (Mike Schinkel)
Date: Fri Nov 28 18:14:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D36645325D@xmail.xtras.com>

>> The config wizard should popup ... or outlook will crash.

Neither. 

Many thanks for the effort thus far, but still no dice.
Outlook XP still behaves, and Outlook 2003 still misbehaves. 
No different than before.

Next?

-Mike 


-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Walker [mailto:adam.walker@rbwconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:22 PM
To: Mike Schinkel
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003

Shutdown outlook. Rename the ini file.  Restart outlook. The config
wizard should popup ... or outlook will crash.
The ini is in \Documents and Settings\{username}\Application
Data\SpamBayes

Mike Schinkel wrote:

>Thanks for the reply.
>
>Strange, because my spam folders are in my Exchange inbox, so they have

>to exist in both places.
>However, I can't configure them because ever time I try to run the 
>SpamBayes configuration Outlook crashes.
>What now?
>
>
>-Mike
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adam Walker [mailto:adam.walker@rbwconsulting.com]
>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 5:09 PM
>To: Mike Schinkel
>Cc: spambayes@python.org
>Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
>
>Looks like you need to configure the spam and unsure folders under 
>outlook 2003. The plugin is probably sharing configs between to the two

>outlook versions but the either the folder doesn't exist under outlook
>2003 or unique id is different.
>
>Mike Schinkel wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Thanks.  Attached are the logs.
>>
>>My configuration is a new Dell with 512k RAM, Windows XP, Outlook 
>>2003,
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>and SpamBayes 0.81.  I also have Outlook 2000 installed and SpamBayes 
>>still works fine with it (and before you assume, no I'm not running 
>>them at the same time; you can't run both at the same time.)
>>
>>As for the problem, every time I click the "Delete as Spam" button (or

>>even the "SpamBayes" button), Outlook "thinks" for a second and then 
>>crashes with the following dialog:
>>
>>	Microsoft Office Outlook has encountered a problem and needs to
>>    
>>
>close.
>  
>
>>	We are sorry for the inconvenience.
>>	[Send Error Report] [Don't Send]
>>
>>Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>
>  
>




From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Nov 28 18:58:09 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Nov 28 18:58:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] A SPAM Message with a 0% Score
In-Reply-To: <004f01c3b59b$9c50df90$250110ac@hp>
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCKEBHHHAB.tim.one@comcast.net>

[vs]
> How does one explain the attached email being scored 0% (0) by
> Spambayes.
>
> Why did my Spambayes filter not catch it?

You didn't say which version of SpamBayes you're using.  Whichever it is, it
supports some way of showing you the evidence it used in arriving at its
decision.  Do that, and it will tell exactly why it decided the msg was ham.

At a higher level, SpamBayes comes with no preconceived ideas about what ham
and spam are.  The only things it knows are what you teach it.  So the 100%
accurate (but probably unhelpful!) answer is "because the message looked a
lot more like ham than spam based on everything you've taught the system so
far".  IOW, look in the mirror <wink>.


From tim at fourstonesExpressions.com  Fri Nov 28 19:30:26 2003
From: tim at fourstonesExpressions.com (Tim Stone)
Date: Fri Nov 28 19:30:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] A SPAM Message with a 0% Score
In-Reply-To: <004f01c3b59b$9c50df90$250110ac@hp>
References: <004f01c3b59b$9c50df90$250110ac@hp>
Message-ID: <oprzdic0n4it6vze@mail.fourstonesExpressions.com>

FYI... I scored this mail a solid spam at 0.862236950494...

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:37:24 -0800, Vic Kaul <vickaul@yahoo.com> wrote:

> How does one explain the attached email being scored 0% (0) by Spambayes.
>
> Why did my Spambayes filter not catch it?
>
> -vs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry [mailto:jclpqp@nbc.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 2:07 AM
> Subject: NEWS REPORT YNSMWINLRV
>
>
> NEWS REPORT-
> PARENTS OF 15 - YEAR OLD - FIND $71,000 CASH HIDDEN IN   HIS CLOSET!
>
> Does this headline look familiar? Of course it does. You most likely have
> just seen this story recently featured on a major nightly news program
> (USA), and reported elsewhere in the world. His mother was
> cleaning and putting laundry away when she came across a large brown 
> paper
> bag that was suspiciously
> buried beneath some clothes and a skateboard in the back of her 
> 15-year-old
> sons closet. Nothing could
> have prepared her for the shock she got when she opened the bag and 
> found it
> was full of cash.
> Five-dollar bills, twenties, fifties and hundreds - all neatly 
> rubber-banded
> in labeled piles.
>
> My first thought was that he had robbed a bank, says the 41-year-old 
> woman,
> There was over $71,000
> dollars in that bag - that's more than my husband earns in a year. The 
> woman
> immediately called her
> husband at the car-dealership where he worked to tell him what she had
> discovered. He came home
> right away and they drove together to the boy's school and picked him up.
> Little did they suspect that where the money came from was more shocking
> than actually finding it in the closet?
>
> As it turns out, the boy had been sending out, via E-mail, a type of 
> Report
> to E-mail addresses that he
> obtained off the Internet. Everyday after school for the past 2 months, 
> he
> had been doing this right on
> his computer in his bedroom.
>
> I just got the E-mail one day and I figured what the heck, I put my name 
> on
> it like the instructions said
> and I started sending it out", says the clever 15-year-old. The E-mail
> letter listed 5 addresses and
> contained instructions to send one $5 dollar bill to each person on the
> list, then delete the address
> at the top and move the others addresses Down, and finally to add your 
> name
> to the top of the list.
>
> The letter goes on to state that you would receive several thousand 
> dollars
> in five-dollar bills within
> 2 weeks if you sent out the letter with your name at the top of the
> 5-address list. I get junk E-mail all
> the time, and really did not think it was going to work, the boy 
> continues.
>
> Within the first few days of sending out the E-mail, the Post Office Box
> that his parents had gotten him
> for his video-game magazine subscriptions began to fill up with not
> magazines, but envelopes containing
> $5 bills. About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post office 
> and my
> box had 1 magazine and
> about 300 envelops stuffed in it. There was also a yellow slip that said 
> I
> had to go up to the [post office]
> counter.  I thought I was in trouble or something (laughs). He goes on, I
> went up to the counter and they
> had a whole box of more mail for me. I had to ride back home and empty 
> out
> my backpack because I
> could not carry it all.
>
> Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out the E-mail The 
> money
> just kept coming in and
> I just kept sorting it and stashing it in the closet, barely had time 
> for my
> homework. He had also been
> riding his bike to several of the banks in his area and exchanging the $5
> bills for twenties, fifties and
> hundreds.
>
> I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I kept riding to different
> banks with like five thousand at a
> time in my backpack. I would usually tell the lady at the bank counter 
> that
> my dad had sent me in to
> exchange the money and he was outside waiting for me. One time the lady 
> gave
> me a really strange
> look and told me that she would not be able to do it for me and my dad 
> would
> have to come in and
> do it, but I just rode to the next bank down the street (laughs).
>
> Surprisingly, the boy did not have any reason to be afraid. The reporting
> news team examined and
> investigated the so-called chain-letter the boy was sending out and found
> that it was not a chain-letter
> at all. In fact, it was completely legal according to US Postal and 
> Lottery
> Laws, Title 18, Section 1302
> and 1341, or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the code of
> federal regulations, Volume 16,
> Sections 255 and 436, which state a product or service must be exchanged 
> for
> money received.
>
> Every five-dollar bill that he received contained a little note that 
> read,
> Please send me report number XYZ. This simple note made the letter legal
> because he was exchanging a service (A Report on how-to) for a
> five-dollar fee. [This is the end of the media release. If you would 
> like to
> understand how the system
> works and get your $71,000 - please continue reading.  What appears 
> below is
> what the 15 year old
> was sending out on the net - YOU CAN USE IT TOO - just follow the simple
> instructions].
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> BE FINANCIALLY FREE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say, BULL,
> please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing 
> about on
> the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the
> Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show 
> to
> the investigation of this
> program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The 
> show
> also investigated whether or
> not the program was legal.  Their findings proved once and for all that
> there are absolutely NO Laws
> prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can follow the
> simple instructions, they are
> bound to make some megabucks with only $25 out of pocket cost.
>
> DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS
> ATTAINED, IT
> IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER.
>
> Note* follow the directions below, I had best results the second time 
> when I
> hired a bulk email service in
> addition to following the reports instructions.
> In order for all of us to be successful, many, many emails must be sent 
> so
> that the returns are many. I have
> been extremely successful using the following company. They send out the
> offers, and all I do is accept
> money for reports, then I send back to the people as soon as possible.
>
> This is what one had to say: Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was
> approached many times before
> but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see 
> what
> one could expect in return for
> the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received 
> total
> $610,470.00 in 21 weeks,
> with money still coming in.
> Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey.
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Here is another testimonial: This program has been around for a long time
> but I never believed in it.
> But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my
> $25 on it. I followed the
> simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to 
> come
> in. First month I only made
> $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. 
> So
> far, in the past 8 months by
> re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it
> again. The key to success in
> this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.
> More testimonials later but first,
>
> PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE
>
> Order all 5 reports shown on the list below For each report, send $5 
> CASH,
> THE NAME & NUMBER OF
> THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose 
> name
> appears
> ON THAT LIST next to the report.
>
> MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in 
> case of
>
> any mail problems. When you place your order, make sure you order each of
> the 5 reports.
> You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer.
> Within a few days you will
> receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different
> individuals.
> Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to 
> the
> 1,000's of people who
> will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep 
> it on
> your desk in case something
> happens to your computer.
>
> IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to 
> each
> report, or their sequence
> on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step 1
> through 6 or you will loose out on
> majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you 
> will
> also see how it does not work
> if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you 
> alter,
> it will NOT work!!! People have
> tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they 
> could
> get all the money. But it does not
> work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then 
> nothing
> happened. So Do Not try to
> change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will
> not work for you.
> Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!!
>
> 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and
> REMOVE the name & address of
>        the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the 
> cycle
> and is no doubt counting
>        their fortune.
> 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT #5.
> 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT #4.
> 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT #3. 5.... Move
> the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT #2
> 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position.
>
> PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY!
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save 
> it
> on your computer. DO NOT MAKE
> ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you lose 
> any
> data. To assist you with
> marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will
> provide you with invaluable
> marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, 
> where
> to find thousands of free
> classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this
> venture going:
>
> METHOD #1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we
> will assume You and those involved
> send out only 5,000e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing 
> receive
> only a 0.2% response (the
> response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also 
> many
> people will send out hundreds
> of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this
> example, you send out only
> 5,000 e-mails.
>
> With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1.  Those 10
> people responded by sending
> out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails
> only 0.2% responded with
> orders. That equals 100 people responded and ordered Report # 2.
> Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 
> e-mails.
> The 0.2% response to that is
> 1000 orders for Report #3.
> Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million
> e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response
> to that is 10,000 orders for Report #4.
> Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000
> (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for 
> Report
> #5. THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million).
> Your total income in this example is:
> 1..... $50 +
> 2..... $500 +
> 3..... $5,000 +
> 4..... $50,000 +
> 5..... $500,000........Grand Total=$555,550.00
>
> NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST 
> POSSIBLE
> RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT 
> OF
> MONEY!
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING
> OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen 
> if
> everyone or half or e ven one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails 
> each
> or more? There are over 150 million people on
> the Internet worldwide and counting.  Believe me, many people will do 
> just
> that, and more!
>
> METHOD #2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Advertising on the net is very very inexpensive and there are hundreds of
> FREE places to advertise.
> Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger 
> response.
>
>
> We strongly suggest you start with Method #1 and add METHOD #2 as you go
> along. For every $5 you
> receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's 
> it.
> Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that 
> the
> e-mail they send out with your name and address on it, will be
> prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report.
>
> ================AVAILABLE REPORTS =================
> ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY.
> Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report.
> Checks NOT accepted.
> Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of
> paper.
> On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the 
> Report
> you are ordering,
> YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address.
>
>
>
>
> PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> REPORT #1: The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net
> Order Report #1 from:
> J. Davis
> 16487 Lariat Road Apt. B
> Victorville, California  92392
> __________________________________________________________
>
>
> REPORT #2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net
> Order Report #2 from:
> C.Smith
> PO Box 25
> Bexley
> NSW 2207
> AUSTRALIA
>
>  ________________________________________________________
>
> REPORT #3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the Net
> Order Report #3 from:
> S.  Calhoun
> P.O. Box 20051
> Barrie, ON Canada
> L4M 6E9
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
> REPORT #4: How to become a millionaire utilizing MLM & the Net
> Order Report #4 from:
> L. Jespersen
> 24 Valleyview Cres
> Bradford, ON Canada
> L3Z1S7
>
> ______________________________________________________
>
> REPORT #5: How to send out 0ne Million emails for free
> Order Report #5 From:
> C. Abee
> 113 Ervin Ave. NE
> Valdese, NC 28690
>
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:
> If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks,
> continue sending e-mails until you
> do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you
> should receive 100 orders or more
> for REPORT #2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails 
> until
> you do.
> Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report #2, YOU CAN RELAX,
> because the system is
> already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS
> IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every  time your name is moved down on the list, 
> you
> are placed in front of a Different report.  You can KEEP
> TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from
> you. IF YOU WANT TO
> GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE
> PROCESS
> AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this
> business!!!
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just
> received
> information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your 
> life,
> with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in 
> the
> next few weeks and months than you have ever
> imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in 
> any
> way.  It works
> exceedingly well as it is now.
> Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your
> name and address in Report#1
> and moved others to #2 thru #5 as instructed above. One of the people you
> send this to may send out
> 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. 
> Remember
> though, the more you
> send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I 
> have
> given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become
> financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!
>
> =================== MORE TESTIMONIALS=============
> My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an 
> accountant
> with a major U.S.
> Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I
> grumbled to Jody about
> receiving junk mail. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my 
> knowledge of
> the population and
> percentages involved. I knew it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my
> supposed intelligence and
> few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her,
> and was ready to lay the old
> I told you so on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on 
> me!
> Within 3 weeks she had
> received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $
> 147,200.00....all cash! I
> was shocked.  I have joined Jody in her hobby.
> Mitchell Wolf, Chicago, Illinois
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind 
> to
> participate in this plan.
> But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so
> little that there was just no way
> that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back.  I was
> surprised when I found my
> medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in 
> the
> first 12 weeks. The nice
> thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There
> simply isn't a better investment
> with a faster return and so big.
> Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered 
> if I
> should have given it a try.
> Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to
> wait until I was e-mailed
> again by someone else......11 months passed then it luckily came 
> again......
> I did not delete this one!
> I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 
> 22
> weeks.
> Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> DSPYIJOLFPBUOIGWDCQHPZQLUYMONGYSYXBHZV
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
>



-- 

Vous exprimer; Expr?sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself!
Tim Stone
See my photography at www.fourstonesExpressions.com
See my writing at www.xanga.com/obj3kshun

From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Fri Nov 28 21:32:32 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Fri Nov 28 21:33:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes crashes Outlook 2003
In-Reply-To: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D36645325D@xmail.xtras.com>
References: <1D85A2E1383A484CB168DCD61228D36645325D@xmail.xtras.com>
Message-ID: <3FC80540.7040300@rbwconsulting.com>

Did you rename/move all the ini files in that folder (there should be 
more than one)?

Mike Schinkel wrote:

>>>The config wizard should popup ... or outlook will crash.
>>>      
>>>
>
>Neither. 
>
>Many thanks for the effort thus far, but still no dice.
>Outlook XP still behaves, and Outlook 2003 still misbehaves. 
>No different than before.
>
>Next?
>
>-Mike 
>
>
>  
>
>
>  
>



From nihxogwql5 at hotmail.it  Sun Nov 30 01:23:38 2003
From: nihxogwql5 at hotmail.it (Rosalie Raines)
Date: Sat Nov 29 23:23:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Get a diploma based on your present knowledge and life
	experience
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From rancherm at bgumail.bgu.ac.il  Sun Nov 30 08:10:43 2003
From: rancherm at bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh)
Date: Sun Nov 30 08:09:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Exception 0x8004011c (MAPI_E_UNCONFIGURED)
Message-ID: <000001c3b743$62318450$04854884@ran>

Hi,
    I'm trying to run spambayes on my office pc (win2k pro, imap mail
server, Pentium II), and fail with a Exception 0x8004011c
(MAPI_E_UNCONFIGURED) error message. The computer is a node on a
departmental network.
    I've already installed this same version of spambayes on my home pc,
with no apparent problem.
    What went wrong?
 
Ran 
 
Here's the log file:
 
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\chermesh.BGU-DEV.000\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\chermesh.BGU-DEV.000\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 746 spam and 123 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003) starting
(with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 4)
using Python 2.3.2 (#49, Oct  2 2003, 20:02:00) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)]
WARNING: Unexpected MAPI error opening folder
Exception 0x8004011c (MAPI_E_UNCONFIGURED): OLE error 0x8004011c
WARNING: Unexpected MAPI error opening folder
Exception 0x8004011c (MAPI_E_UNCONFIGURED): OLE error 0x8004011c
WARNING: Unexpected MAPI error opening folder
Exception 0x8004011c (MAPI_E_UNCONFIGURED): OLE error 0x8004011c
WARNING: Unexpected MAPI error opening folder
Exception 0x8004011c (MAPI_E_UNCONFIGURED): OLE error 0x8004011c
WARNING: Unexpected MAPI error opening folder
Exception 0x8004011c (MAPI_E_UNCONFIGURED): OLE error 0x8004011c
OnAddInsUpdate None
OnStartupComplete None
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\universal.py", line 173, in
dispatch
    retVal = ob._InvokeEx_(meth.dispid, 0, meth.invkind, args, None, None)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322,
in _InvokeEx_
    return self._invokeex_(dispid, lcid, wFlags, args, kwargs,
serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601,
in _invokeex_
    return DesignatedWrapPolicy._invokeex_( self, dispid, lcid, wFlags,
args, kwArgs, serviceProvider)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541,
in _invokeex_
    return func(*args)
  File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1335, in OnStartupComplete
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\__init__.py", line
451, in __getattr__
    return self._ApplyTypes_(*args)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\__init__.py", line
445, in _ApplyTypes_
    return self._get_good_object_(self._oleobj_.InvokeTypes(*((dispid, 0,
wFlags, retType, argTypes) + args)), user, resultCLSID)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\__init__.py", line
463, in _get_good_object_
    return _get_good_object_(obj, obUserName, resultCLSID)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\__init__.py", line
481, in _get_good_object_
    return _get_good_single_object_(obj, obUserName, resultCLSID)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\__init__.py", line
468, in _get_good_single_object_
    return Dispatch(obj, obUserName, resultCLSID,
UnicodeToString=NeedUnicodeConversions)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 96,
in Dispatch
    return __WrapDispatch(dispatch, userName, resultCLSID, typeinfo,
UnicodeToString, clsctx)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\__init__.py", line 38,
in __WrapDispatch
    klass = gencache.GetClassForCLSID(resultCLSID)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\gencache.py", line
171, in GetClassForCLSID
    mod = GetModuleForCLSID(clsid)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\gencache.py", line
232, in GetModuleForCLSID
    makepy.GenerateChildFromTypeLibSpec(sub_mod, info)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\makepy.py", line 304,
in GenerateChildFromTypeLibSpec
    gen.generate_child(child, dir_path_name)
  File "C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\win32com\client\genpy.py", line 958,
in generate_child
    self.file = open(os.path.join(dir, an_item.python_name) + ".py", "w")
exceptions.IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'C:\\Python23\\Lib\\site-packages\\win32com\\demos\\support\\gen_py\\00062FF
F-0000-0000-C000-000000000046x0x9x1\\ExplorersEvents.py'

From patents at ctcweb.net  Sun Nov 30 11:47:59 2003
From: patents at ctcweb.net (Robert N. Cordy)
Date: Sun Nov 30 11:48:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question
Message-ID: <CGEHLNOIGJOEGFJKAHCAOENBCMAA.patents@ctcweb.net>

Overall I am impressed with the capabilities of ZoneAlarm.  Many thanks!

However, frequently Outlook shows that it is downloading 3 (as an example) email
messages but only one shows up in my inbox and NONE in the spam folders.  In
other words the sum of the messages in the inbox plus those in the spam folders
is often less than the number actually downloaded.

Where might these other emails go?

Bob C.
============
From patents at ctcweb.net  Sun Nov 30 12:02:18 2003
From: patents at ctcweb.net (Robert N. Cordy)
Date: Sun Nov 30 12:02:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Previous question
Message-ID: <CGEHLNOIGJOEGFJKAHCACENDCMAA.patents@ctcweb.net>

I apologize, of course my question related to SpamBayes and not ZoneAlarm!!

Bob C.
=======
From mpoole at madisonville.com  Sun Nov 30 12:59:03 2003
From: mpoole at madisonville.com (M Poole)
Date: Sun Nov 30 12:59:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] how do I uninstall spambayes
Message-ID: <000001c3b76b$a9738610$0b64a8c0@mmpoole>

How do I uninstall spambays?

 

Mitch Poole

From mark at howellsfamily.org  Sun Nov 30 18:07:52 2003
From: mark at howellsfamily.org (Mark Howells)
Date: Sun Nov 30 18:09:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Clasification difficulties using pop3proxy / sb_server
Message-ID: <001c01c3b796$c818ed00$0200a8c0@athlon>

First up, let me say that I am extremely impressed with SpamBayes.  I've
been using theOutlook plugin at work with spectacular results - No false
positives at all and only occasional unsures....

Now I'm using it to protect my home network.  However, I've not got as good
results and have noticed the following.

I use the pop3proxy (via sb_server).  I currently have the classifier
trained on 575 Spam and 480 Ham.  Because my family use Outlook Express, I
asked the proxy to add 'unsure' and 'spam' onto the Subject line.  So far so
good.  However, I have been getting a lot of 'unsures' (30% or so).  When I
use the web interface to review the messages and look at the clues for each
unsure, I see that the spam rating is often 0.5 or even higher - sometimes
well within the Spam zone (I currently use 20% and 80% as my thresholds). So
, why is the classifier rating them as unsure?

Maybe related to the above, I have noticed that the 'unsure' subject line is
marked as such in the cache.  This means that when I train the classifier
that the unsure is really spam, the unsure token is included in the subject
line.  In consequence 'Subject : unsure' has become very spammy (a query on
subject:unsure gives "Probability that a message containing this word is
spam: 0.800342155644").  There's a similar effect for the 'spam' label.
Surely the cache shouldn't store the updated subject line?

Cheers

Mark
First up, let me say that I am extremely impressed with SpamBayes.  I've
been using theOutlook plugin at work with spectacular results - No false
positives at all and only occasional unsures....

Now I'm using it to protect my home network.  However, I've not got as good
results and have noticed the following.

I use the pop3proxy (via sb_server).  I currently have the classifier
trained on 575 Spam and 480 Ham.  Because my family use Outlook Express, I
asked the proxy to add 'unsure' and 'spam' onto the Subject line.  So far so
good.  However, I have been getting a lot of 'unsures' (30% or so).  When I
use the web interface to review the messages and look at the clues for each
unsure, I see that the spam rating is often 0.5 or even higher - sometimes
well within the Spam zone (I currently use 20% and 80% as my thresholds). So
, why is the classifier rating them as unsure?

Maybe related to the above, I have noticed that the 'unsure' subject line is
marked as such in the cache.  This means that when I train the classifier
that the unsure is really spam, the unsure token is included in the subject
line.  In consequence 'Subject : unsure' has become very spammy (a query on
subject:unsure gives "Probability that a message containing this word is
spam: 0.800342155644").  There's a similar effect for the 'spam' label.
Surely the cache shouldn't store the updated subject line?

Cheers

Mark


From skip at pobox.com  Sun Nov 30 18:11:26 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Nov 30 18:11:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_mailsort.py
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0311270013160.31320@research.suspicious.org>
References: <botqqf$bpk$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<3dm7svku2qdl9smqbtehdqstmnp3nk6vqk@4ax.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311251508420.47740@research.suspicious.org>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0311270013160.31320@research.suspicious.org>
Message-ID: <16330.31006.894815.978136@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    atom> ok, no answers to my previous post, of similar subject... here's
    atom> more....

I sort of suspect very few people use sb_mailsort.py.

    atom> 1) will the script return a non-zero exit status if it fails for
    atom>    *ANY* reason? this is important, since a .qmail-file will
    atom>    recognize that as an unsuccessful delivery attempt.

Looking at the code, it appears that sb_mailsort.py may not properly exit
with non-zero status in all cases.  I see one error condition it catches
then raises SystemExit, which on my system produces an exit status of 1.
However, the main() function call is not wrapped in a try/except statement.
You might want to modify the end of sb_mailsort.py to something like

if __name__ == "__main__":
    try:
        main()
    except Exception, msg:
        sys.exit(1)
    else:
        sys.exit(0)

just to be sure unanticipated error conditions are caught and that you
guarantee a non-zero exit status.  More detailed analysis of the program's
guts is probably required though.

    atom> 2) is the SPAM_CUTTOFF hard-coded at 0.57??? (like i said, i don't
    atom>    know code in python.) is there a way to only assign a value to
    atom>    a variable [in python] if a user-specified value is not
    atom>    defined?

Sure looks like it (beats me why, though).  You can work around that problem
by initializing SPAM_CUTOFF like so:

from spambayes.Options import options
SPAM_CUTOFF = options["Categorization", "spam_cutoff"]

Note that the above import technique is common usage, though sb_mailsort.py
does its imports differently.  Again, I'm not sure why.  You'll have to
investigate to make sure you're not violating some assumptions the program
author made by importing SpamBayes modules that early in the program.

    atom> 3) how well is this (and similar) scripts protected against
    atom>    attacks where a malicious email can cause commands to be
    atom>    executed with the permissions of the recipient?

I think it should be okay in that regard.  The only actions it takes based
upon a message's content is train on it or score it (by moving it from one
directory to another which you specify on the command line).  I don't think
a black hat could convince Python to twiddle the values of sys.argv, but it
might be a microscopically small amount safer if the spamdir and hamdir were
picked up from your options file.  That would require changes to
spambayes/Options.py as well as scripts/sb_mailsort.py thought.  It's
probably best left for the author.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Sun Nov 30 18:15:21 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Nov 30 18:16:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] n-way in outlook?
In-Reply-To: <000101c3b51b$9bfe8900$0860b7c8@virtua.com.br>
References: <000101c3b51b$9bfe8900$0860b7c8@virtua.com.br>
Message-ID: <16330.31241.322910.881219@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tiago> have some1 made a n-way classification code for using with the
    Tiago> outlook plugin?

Not that I'm aware of.

    Tiago> or does the nway code on the contrib folder works on outlook? 

Nope.  nway.py is just a simple demo I wrote.  Since I'm not an Outlook
user, I made no attempt to make it work with Outlook.  After playing with it
a bit, I'm not convinced it's good enough for anything but experimental use.

Skip

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Sun Nov 30 18:19:27 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sun Nov 30 18:19:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13044774CF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B1AC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> When I classify through sb_imapfilter.py, I am getting an 
> AssertionError. Any ideas? I am using spambayes from CVS; courier 
> IMAP; python 2.2.2; and a fresh database. See below for commands.
[...]
>      assert hamcount <= nham
> AssertionError

How fresh?  This error says that you have a token in your database that has
appeared in more ham than you have trained it on - which isn't possible.
IOW, the database is corrupt.  You can try to manually fix the db via
db_expimp.py, but it's easier (especially if you call it fresh already) to
just retrain from scratch.

If this happens regularly, it would be great to know the sequence of events
that can reproduce it (in a sf bug tracker
<http://sf.net/projects/spambayes>), as we still don't really know what
causes this error.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Sun Nov 30 18:21:21 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sun Nov 30 18:21:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304477987@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B1AD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> However, frequently Outlook shows that it is downloading 3 
> (as an example) email messages but only one shows up in my 
> inbox and NONE in the spam folders.  In other words the sum 
> of the messages in the inbox plus those in the spam folders 
> is often less than the number actually downloaded.
> 
> Where might these other emails go?

Have you looked in your 'unsure' folder?  Have you tried searching for the
messages via Outlook's 'Advanced Find'?

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Sun Nov 30 18:32:59 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Sun Nov 30 18:33:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Clasification difficulties using pop3proxy / sb_server
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1304477A3B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> However, 
> I have been getting a lot of 'unsures' (30% or so).  When I 
> use the web interface to review the messages and look at the 
> clues for each unsure, I see that the spam rating is often 
> 0.5 or even higher - sometimes well within the Spam zone (I 
> currently use 20% and 80% as my thresholds). So , why is the 
> classifier rating them as unsure?

To paraphrase Tim, because they don't resemble the messages you have trained
as ham more strongly than the messages you have trained as spam (or vice
versa).  Clues!  Clues!  Give us the clues!

(SpamBayes has no knowledge of 'ham' or 'spam' until you, personally, give
it some.  We can't answer this question unless you give us the information
about how each of the tokens in the message scored for you personally.  In
sb_server you can get these from the review page (far right)).

> Maybe related to the above, I have noticed that the 'unsure' 
> subject line is marked as such in the cache.  This means that 
> when I train the classifier that the unsure is really spam, 
> the unsure token is included in the subject line.

Yes, that's correct.  [Note that I incorrectly guessed otherwise when
someone else asked pretty much this exact question last week.  This time I
looked at the code, and, you're right.]

Note that, with the exception of very short messages, a single token
shouldn't really tip the scale either way anyway (unless the message was
borderline).

> Surely the cache shouldn't store the updated subject line?

Well, information from the cached messages that is added by SpamBayes is
used later on via the web interface.  It shouldn't make any difference
except for the subject line (or if some fool <wink> has setup their
spambayes to tokenize spambayes headers).  I asked the person that asked
this question last week to open a bug report
<http://sf.net/projects/spambayes> about this and said I would get to it at
some point (or someone else will), but I don't think that has happened yet.
You're welcome to do that.  (Otherwise I may remember to this some day, but
there's a good chance that nothing will ever happen about it).

Note that I think that the correct behaviour would be to strip the
[Ham|Unsure|Spam] from the start of subject lines, iff that option is set to
True.  This may lose information if it was added by something else, but
that's probably better than tokenizing invalid information.

=Tony Meyer


From mark at howellsfamily.org  Sun Nov 30 18:33:54 2003
From: mark at howellsfamily.org (Mark Howells)
Date: Sun Nov 30 18:34:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B1AD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <005101c3b79a$6b0e6d20$0200a8c0@athlon>

> > However, frequently Outlook shows that it is downloading 3
> > (as an example) email messages but only one shows up in my
> > inbox and NONE in the spam folders.  In other words the sum
> > of the messages in the inbox plus those in the spam folders
> > is often less than the number actually downloaded.
> >
> > Where might these other emails go?

I'm assuming you mean Outlook Express, rather than Outlook.  It's nothing to
do with SpamBayes but OE has a known problem misreporting the number of
downloaded messages.  In all likelyhood you're not losing any emails.

Mark


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From skip at pobox.com  Sun Nov 30 18:34:25 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Nov 30 18:34:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Autostart on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <20031128220937377074.GyazMail.takeyasu@avis.ne.jp>
References: <20031128220937377074.GyazMail.takeyasu@avis.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <16330.32385.85976.655184@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Takeyasu> I am using Mac OS X 10.3. How is what is necessary just to
    Takeyasu> carry out spambayes for making it start automatically?

I use the sb_filter.py app on Mac OS X, however it's run from procmail, so I
never investigated how to autostart something like sb_server.py.  I sort of
suspect this is a fairly generic MacPython question, so I've cc'd my reply
there.

Skip

From skip at pobox.com  Sun Nov 30 18:39:29 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Sun Nov 30 18:39:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py AssertionError: hamcount <= nham
In-Reply-To: <a06001a11bbed2b682246@[69.23.240.189]>
References: <a06001a11bbed2b682246@[69.23.240.189]>
Message-ID: <16330.32689.397613.63493@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Tony> When I classify through sb_imapfilter.py, I am getting an
    Tony> AssertionError. Any ideas?

That indicates a corrupt database.  Do you ever kill sb_imapfilter.py
without giving it a chance to clean up properly or run two SpamBayes
applications which might both want to write to the same database (say,
sb_server.py or sb_filter.py as well as sb_imapfilter.py)?  If so, you'll
need to figure out a way to avoid that.

To work around the problem, I suggest you zap your training database and
start from scratch.  If you don't solve the underlying problem you'll
probably encounter it again.

Skip